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This bill requires the Department of State to submit to Congress a detailed report indicating whether the Muslim Brotherhood meets the criteria to be designated a foreign terrorist organization. If the report determines that the Muslim Brotherhood does not meet such criteria, it must provide a detailed justification as to which criteria have not been met.

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Speeches, etc. “Don't be scared of the high language of economists and Cabinet ministers, but think of politics at our own household level. After all, women live in contact with food supplies, housing shortages, and the ever-decreasing opportunities for children, and we must therefore face up to the position, remembering that as more power is taken away from the people, so there is less responsibility for us to assume.” So said Miss Margaret Roberts, young and pretty prospective Conservative M.P. for Dartford, in a speech described by Bexley Conservative Women's Section as “the best ever heard from a woman,” at Bexley Conservative Ladies' Luncheon Club at the Embassy Rooms, Welling, on Thursday last week. In her further remarks, Miss Roberts suggested that the root of our problems lay deeper than economic causes—it was in the lives of the ordinary human being and the declining fundamental decency. “We have got to get back to giving as well as getting,” she said. Miss Roberts said that a tremendous change had taken place in the status and work of women since the beginning of the century. The achievements of women since they had gained the vote was not only in the work of women M.P.'s, but in the work done by ordinary women with no claim to fame or special qualifications. No country in the world could equal Britain in the amount of work undertaken and the political power gained by its women. “It is an achievement not to be under-rated,” declared Miss Roberts. “When we were given the vote many feminists tended to regard it only as a right, but we have accepted the responsibility that goes with it, and that responsibility has been fulfilled by the women of this country.” “I believe that personal responsibility is the key-note of the future,” she added, “and I feel that it is one of the chief charges we lay at the door of the present Government that personal responsibility is far less now than before, and something must be done about it. This ‘passing the buck’ attitude of to-day is not the sort of thing which will get us out of the mess we are in, and we, as women, realize it.” “Most of us,” she added, “are housewives—perhaps the most worth-while occupation in the world—and we are perturbed as to the kind of future offered for our children. “We cast our votes, sit on councils and other bodies, doing our share to overcome the social ills, and in these days of State assistance let us not forget the tremendous number of children still looked after by voluntary effort, without any assistance at all from the State. May that responsibility and enterprise never die out in this country.” A vote of thanks to the speaker was proposed by Mrs. Arnott, oldest member of Falconwood Ward Women's Section, who is 85. Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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This bill provides, for 90 days beginning on this bill's enactment, duty-free treatment to infant formula.

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This bill provides payments to states for certain expenditures made by public or private nonprofit educational institutions for training with respect to child placement and other child welfare services.

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Speeches, etc. Mrs. Thatcher I welcome what Michael Footthe Leader of the House has said, and the decision to send a gift of a clock to Papua New Guinea. We do not know quite as much about these people as we normally know about new States of the Commonwealth, because until recently Papua New Guinea has been under the protective wing of Australia. We think that the clock itself is a symbolic gift. The Papua New Guineans are a people who value the culture and traditions of the past, and until two generations or so ago they were living in exactly the same way as their ancestors had lived for many years, unaware of the technical changes about them. Perhaps the clock will remind them of that time past. The clock will also, on the table of the new Parliament, remind the Papuans of the challenges and responsibilities of the present, and therefore the great tasks that lie before them. With this gift we wish them a very bright, prosperous and confident future. Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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Speeches, etc. (1) Speaking text. Beginning of section checked against BBC Radio News Report 2200 31 January 1976 I stand before you tonight in my Red Star chiffon evening gown. (Laughter, Applause), my face softly made up and my fair hair gently waved (Laughter), the Iron Lady of the Western world. A cold war warrior, an amazon philistine, even a Peking plotter. Well, am I any of these things? (No!) Well yes, if that's how they … . (Laughter) … . Yes I am an iron lady, after all it wasn't a bad thing to be an iron duke, yes if that's how they wish to interpret my defence of values and freedoms fundamental to our way of life. End of section checked against BBC Radio News Report 2200 31 January 1976. And by they, I mean that somewhat strange alliance between the comrades of the Russian Defence Ministry—and our (own) Roy MasonDefence Minister. Beginning of section checked against BBC Radio News Report 0800 1 February 1976 They're welcome to call me what they like if they believe that we should ignore the build-up of Russian military strength, and that we should not disturb their dreams of detente by worrying over the communist presence in Angola. But I happen to believe that what is at stake is important and is crucial to our future both in this country and in the world as a whole. (Hear, hear!) (Applause). [end p1] We're waging a battle on many fronts. We must not forget the guns and missiles aimed at us—but equally we must not let them blind us to the insidious war on words which is going on. End of section checked against BBC Radio News Report 0800 1 February 1976. It is not just a matter of hurling insults—where he who hurls loudest, hurls last—(that is the final resort of the man who has already lost the argument, [end p2] No, this is not such a war. The war is a true war of words, where meanings get lost in a mist of revolutionary fantasy; where accuracy is slipped quietly under the carpet; and where truth is twisted and bent to suit the latest propagandist line. ([Note by MT] Twisted by Knaves to make a trap for fools) That is what we are up against. And we have to fight it if only because we find it totally alien to our notions of freedom and truth. [end p3] To illustrate what I mean, let us take that last sentence. It contains in it two words which, together, are among the most abused in the language of the struggle. Freedom and Fight. [end p4] The Marxist has applied the description of freedom fighter to one who helps to bring about Marxism, a system which denies basic freedoms. [end p5] In other words, that so-called freedom fighter is a man who helps to destroy freedom. Such is the corruption of the language they use. Necessary in their eyes because they know freedom is an appealing word. [end p6] The men of the Khmer Rouge whose first act on “liberating” —as they put it—Cambodia last year, was brutally to drive a large part of the population out of the capital Phnom Penh. Yet they were called “freedom fighters” . The men who tried to reverse the clear wishes of the people of Portugal—as expressed through the ballot box—in Marxist vocabularly they were “freedom fighters” too. [end p7] This surely must have been one of the most blatant attempts at subversion we have seen in recent times. So do not let us be misled by their abuse of these words. But the fallacies of the present propaganda war come nearer to home than this. Let us look at another word being just a subtly corrupted in the litany of the left. [end p8] The word is “Public” . We use it many times a day. It is with us all the time—because we are the public. All of us. Yet the word has become distorted. Take for example “Public Ownership.” [end p9] In theory: We own the mines. We own the railways. We own the Post Office. [end p10] But in practice we don't really own anything. “Public ownership” should mean that you and I own something, that we have some say in how it is run, that it is accountable to us. But the fact is that the words “public ownership” have come to mean the very, very private world of decisions taken behind closed doors, and of accountability to no-one. [end p11] How good for us all public ownership is presented as being. What a glimpse of socialist heaven it offers. The Socialists tell us that there are massive profits in a particular industry and they should not go to the shareholders—but that the public should reap the benefits. [end p12] Benefits? What benefits? When you take into public ownership a profitable industry, the profits soon disappear. The goose that laid the golden eggs goes broody. State geese are not great layers. [end p13] The steel industry was nationalised some years ago in the public interest—yet the only interest now left to the public is in witnessing the depressing spectacle of their money going down the drain at a rate of a million pounds a day. Socialists then shift the ground for taking industries into “public ownership” . They then tell us that some industries cannot survive any longer unless they are taken into public ownership, allegedly to protect the public from the effects of their collapse. [end p14] It all sounds so cosy, and so democratic. But is it true? No, of course it is'nt. The moment ownership passes into the name of the public is the moment the public ceases to have any ownership or accountability, and often the moment when it ceases to get what it wants. But it is invariably the moment when the public starts to pay. [end p15] Pays to take the industry over. Pays the losses by higher taxes. Pays for inefficiencies in higher prices. Outside many pits in the country is a notice which says: “Managed on behalf of the people” . But will the people ever get to know who was responsible for the massive losses sustained since the mining industry was nationalised in 1947? [end p16] If these are public industries, then surely the public has a right to know? The more so, because they are monopoly industries. In fact, publicly owned authorities are usually the most private imaginable. We need to revise our vocabularly and call something public only when ordinary members of the public are in actual control. [end p17] The fact is that the British public more truly own firms like Marks & Spencer and others, than they do any of our nationalised industries. Some of them directly own shares in M&S. This gives them the right to ask questions about its management—its successes, its failures, and if they are not satisfied, they can sell their shares and invest their money elsewhere. [end p18] Many more have an indirect share in it through pension funds at their own work. The managers of those funds are paid to ask the very questions which keep the company on its toes. And millions of us use the option every year of voting with our feet on the success of St. Michael. We can choose whether to buy there or somewhere else. [end p19] That is real public ownership—and if the public ceased to benefit, then M & S would cease to exist. What is it, then, that keeps them going? It is their incentive to satisfy their customers—you and me—the public. [end p20] Despite what the Socialists would have you think, theirs is not an unusual story. It is reflected in thousands of firms throughout the land. Successful firms, proving by their results that today's crisis is not one of free enterprise, but one caused by Socialism. [end p21] Despite the handicaps imposed upon them, the taxation, the restrictions—they are still managing to give the public what it wants. [end p22] These are the fallacies in the use of the word “public” . [end p23] We must not let them get away with the deceptions and the half—truths which swarm around their dogma. Whenever we see the word “public” we must question it. How do the public benefit? What choice does the public have? [end p24] Choice is crucial in this. When a man moves his family into a Council house, we must make sure he has the chance of buying it. [end p25] The ambition to own the roof over your head is a totally natural one—and judging by the way the present Cabinet indulges in it—a pretty strong instinct it is, too. Why, then, do these so-called socialists work so actively to prevent home ownership in the Council estates? The answer is that if you give the ambitious man in the Council house the chance to buy it, you lose control over him. [end p26] A socialist system which has penetrated so far in its control over people that it can dictate the colour of their front doors is a system which will never let go control of the whole house. People might paint their doors a different colour, for a start. [end p27] We have always been the party of home ownership. Home ownership not only means security for the individual, it also means security and continuity for society as well. Security because people who work hard to buy their own homes have learned the responsibility of property and have a respect for other people's property as well. [end p28] Continuity because the ownership of a house is not just for one generation—its value is in more ways than one passed on to the next, and the next. The only way for the majority of people to have any real say in where they live and how they live is by extending home ownership. When we came to power in 1951, home ownership was only 29 per cent. In 1964 it was 45 per cent. By the time we had left Office in 1974 it was 52 per cent. And with our policies the figure will go even higher. Housing policy shows that the Conservative way really does work for the public in the true sense of the word. [end p29] When parents send their children to school, and I am talking about local authority schools—not fee paying schools—we must also see that some choice is available. In no field has the exclusion of the public been so severe as in the schools they nominally own, in whose name they are nominally run. I do not wish to get embroiled here in the controversy currently raging about the running of William Tyndale School. [end p30] It would be quite wrong for me to comment while the inquiry is still sitting. But there is one observation of fact about it, which can be made. That is that matters came to a head when the numbers of ordinary parents withdrawing their children from the school reached alarming proportions. [end p31] That was the only way they could make their views felt. They voted with their feet—just as surely as people would vote with their feet if Marks and Spencers ceased to provide value for money. Nobody wants to see a school shut down—no more than they want to see a firm put out of business. [end p32] That is why from the start we must make them more responsive to parents' wishes. That is why there must be choice of the type of education our children are given. It is true that some children flower quickly in the atmosphere of what is called the “progressive” classroom. Others need the more organised structure of the traditional system. [end p33] But parents should not be told which their children are going to get, and denied any choice at all. We believe people are not mere cyphers to be ordered this way and that, into this job or that, into this house or that, their children sent to this school or that. Socialists believe people are not to be trusted with choice. [end p34] I suppose because we might learn to use it. And enjoy it. And then where would it all end? Socialism is the denial of choice, the denial of choice for ordinary people in their everyday lives. [end p35] There is a will in Britain to work and build up the future for our children. But Socialists don't trust the people. Churchill did. We do. [end p36] (2) Finchley Times, 6 February 1976 The British public have a better claim to own Marks and Spencer than they do to any of Britain's nationalised industries. This was one of the points made by Mrs Margaret Thatcher, Leader of the Opposition and MP for Finchley and Friern Barnet, when she spoke to the constituency's Conservative Association at their annual dinner dance on Saturday. In her well-publicised “Iron Lady” speech she talked of the distortion and corruption of words such as “freedom” and “fight” in a political context. She went on to say that “public” was another word being just as subtly corrupted in the litany of the Left. “Take for example ‘public ownership’—it has come to mean something totally different,” she said. “In theory we own the mines. We own the railways. We own the Post Office. But when it comes down to it, we don't really own anything. “Public ownership should mean that you and I own something, that we have some say in how it is run, that it is accountable to us. “But the fact is that the words have come to mean the very, very private world of decisions taken behind closed doors, and accountability to nobody.” Mrs Thatcher went on: “When you take into public ownership a profitable industry, the profits soon disappear. The goose that laid golden eggs goes broody, and State geese are not great layers. “The steel industry was nationalised some years ago in the public interest—yet the only interest now left to the public is in witnessing the depressing spectacle of their money going down the drain at the rate of a million pounds a day.” She went on: “The moment ownership passes in to the name of the public is the moment the public ceases to have any ownership or accountability, and often the moment when it ceases to get what it wants. “And it is invariably the moment when the public starts to pay—pays to take the industry over, pays the losses by higher taxation, pays for inefficiencies in higher prices. “Outside many pits in the country is a notice which says: ‘Managed on behalf of the people’. But will the people ever get to know who was responsible for the massive losses sustained since the mining industry was nationalised in 1947?” Mentioning Marks and Spencer and other firms, she said the public owned shares which gave them the right to ask questions about management, successes and failures. “If they are not satisfied they can sell their shares and invest their money elsewhere,” she said. Many more people had an indirect share in these firms through pension funds. “And millions of us use the option every year of voting with our feet on the success of companies like those. We can choose whether to buy there or somewhere else.” Mrs Thatcher spoke about the need to encourage home ownership, and to make sure a council tenant could buy his house. She spoke also of the need to have a choice in education. Although she did not want to get embroiled in the controversy about the running of the William Tyndale School while the inquiry was sitting, there was one observation of fact that could be made. “Matters came to a head when the members of ordinary parents withdrawing their children from the school reached alarming proportions. That was the only way they had to make their vies known. They voted with their feet, just as surely as people would vote with their feet if Marks and Spencer ceased to provide value for money.” She added: “We believe people are not mere cyphers to be ordered this way and that, into this job or that, into this house or that, with children sent to this school or that. “Socialism is the denial of choice, the denial of choice to ordinary people in their everyday lives.” Mrs Thatcher made another, shorter speech, after the television cameras had stopped, in which she described the Labour Party as being “almost heirs to a tradition of financial incompetence.” Productivity was lower now than during the three-day week, and this had not happened because of bad luck. And she explained the difficulty of the Conservative Party in trying to vote out the Government when their majority was added to by the MPs from all the minor parties. She told members of the association that she hated Britain being a second-rate nation. “It is not where we belong.” Councillor Jimmy Sapsted chairman of the association thanked Mrs Thatcher and presented her with a champagne ice bucket. The inscription said it was presented with “pride and affection” from the association members. Congratulations also went to Mr Ron Thurlow and the committee for organising the dinner and dance, at the Selborne Hall, Southgate. More than 250 people were present at the dinner—a record—and the large number of cars proved embarrassing when the BBC Outside Broadcast van wanted to leave. Several appeals had to be made for two cars to be moved. Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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speech etc speaking text beginning section check bbc radio news report january stand tonight red star chiffon evening gown laughter applause face softly fair hair gently wave laughter iron lady western world cold war warrior amazon philistine peke plotter thing yes s laughter yes iron lady not bad thing iron duke yes s wish interpret defence value freedom fundamental way life end section check bbc radio news report january mean somewhat strange alliance comrade russian defence ministry roy masondefence minister begin section check bbc radio news report february welcome like believe ignore buildup russian military strength disturb dream detente worry communist presence angola happen believe stake important crucial future country world hear hear applause end wage battle front forget gun missile aim equally let blind insidious war word go end section check bbc radio news report february matter hurl insult hurl loud hurl final resort man lose argument end war war true war word meaning lose mist revolutionary fantasy accuracy slip quietly carpet truth twisted bent suit late propagandist line note mt twist knave trap fool fight find totally alien notion freedom truth end illustrate mean let sentence contain word abuse language struggle freedom fight end marxist apply description freedom fighter help bring marxism system deny basic freedom end word socalle freedom fighter man help destroy freedom corruption language use necessary eye know freedom appealing word end man khmer rouge act liberate cambodia year brutally drive large population capital phnom penh call freedom fighter man try reverse clear wish people portugal express ballot box marxist vocabularly freedom fighter end surely blatant attempt subversion see recent time let mislead abuse word fallacy present propaganda war come near home let look word subtly corrupt litany left end word public use time day time public word distorted example public ownership end theory mine railway post office end practice not public ownership mean run accountable fact word public ownership come mean private world decision take closed door accountability end good public ownership present glimpse socialist heaven offer socialist tell massive profit particular industry shareholder public reap benefit end benefit benefit public ownership profitable industry profit soon disappear goose lay golden egg go broody state geese great layer end steel industry nationalise year ago public interest interest leave public witness depressing spectacle money go drain rate million pound day socialist shift ground take industry public ownership tell industry survive long take public ownership allegedly protect public effect collapse end sound cosy democratic true course not moment ownership pass public moment public cease ownership accountability moment cease want invariably moment public start pay end pay industry pay loss high taxis pay inefficiency high price outside pit country notice say manage behalf people people know responsible massive loss sustain mining industry nationalise end public industry surely public right know monopoly industry fact publicly own authority usually private imaginable need revise vocabularly public ordinary member public actual control end fact british public truly firm like mark spencer nationalise industry directly share ms give right ask question management success failure satisfied sell share invest money end indirect share pension fund work manager fund pay ask question company toe million use option year vote foot success st michael choose buy end real public ownership public cease benefit m s cease exist keep go incentive satisfy customer public end despite socialist think theirs unusual story reflect thousand firm land successful firm prove result today crisis free enterprise cause socialism end despite handicap impose taxation restriction manage public want end fallacy use word public end let away deception half truth swarm dogma word public question public benefit choice public end choice crucial man move family council house sure chance buy end ambition roof head totally natural judge way present cabinet indulge pretty strong instinct socalled socialist work actively prevent home ownership council estate answer ambitious man council house chance buy lose control end socialist system penetrate far control people dictate colour door system let control house people paint door different colour start end party home ownership home ownership mean security individual mean security continuity society security people work hard buy home learn responsibility property respect people property end continuity ownership house generation value way pass way majority people real live live extend home ownership come power home ownership cent cent time leave office cent policy figure high housing policy show conservative way work public true sense word end parent send child school talk local authority school fee pay school choice available field exclusion public severe school nominally nominally run wish embroil controversy currently rage running william tyndale school end wrong comment inquiry sit observation fact matter come head number ordinary parent withdraw child school reach alarming proportion end way view feel vote foot surely people vote foot mark spencer cease provide value money want school shut want firm business end start responsive parent wish choice type education child give true child flower quickly atmosphere call progressive classroom need organise structure traditional system end parent tell child go deny choice believe people mere cypher order way job house child send school socialist believe people trust choice end suppose learn use enjoy end socialism denial choice denial choice ordinary people everyday life end britain work build future child socialist not trust people churchill end finchley time february british public well claim mark spencer britain nationalise industry point mrs margaret thatcher leader opposition mp finchley friern barnet speak constituencys conservative association annual dinner dance saturday wellpublicise iron lady speech talk distortion corruption word freedom fight political context go public word subtly corrupt litany left example public come mean totally different say theory mine railway post office come not public ownership mean run accountable fact word come mean private world decision take closed door accountability mrs thatcher go public ownership profitable industry profit soon disappear goose lay golden egg go broody state geese great layer steel industry nationalise year ago public interest interest leave public witness depressing spectacle money go drain rate million pound day go moment ownership pass public moment public cease ownership accountability moment cease want invariably moment public start pay pay industry pay loss high taxation pay inefficiency high price outside pit country notice say manage behalf people people know responsible massive loss sustain mining industry nationalise mention mark spencer firm say public own share give right ask question management success failure satisfied sell share invest money say people indirect share firm pension fund million use option year vote foot success company like choose buy mrs thatcher speak need encourage home ownership sure council tenant buy house speak need choice education want embroil controversy running william tyndale school inquiry sit observation fact matter come head member ordinary parent withdraw child school reach alarming proportion way vie know vote foot surely people vote foot mark spencer cease provide value money add believe people mere cypher order way job house child send school socialism denial choice denial choice ordinary people everyday life mrs thatcher short speech television camera stop describe labour party heir tradition financial incompetence productivity low threeday week happen bad luck explain difficulty conservative party try vote government majority add mp minor party tell member association hate britain secondrate nation belong councillor jimmy sapste chairman association thank mrs thatcher present champagne ice bucket inscription say present pride affection association member congratulation go mr ron thurlow committee organise dinner dance selborne hall southgate people present dinner record large number car prove embarrassing bbc outside broadcast van want leave appeal car move copyright margaret thatcher foundation right reserve

This bill excludes certain persons from being considered a broker for tax reporting purposes. Under current law, the transfer of digital assets from a broker to a nonbroker requires the broker to file a return beginning on January 1, 2024. The bill provides that a broker does not include any person solely engaged in the business of (1) validating distributed ledger transactions, or (2) selling hardware or software for which the sole function is to permit access to digital assets on a distributed ledger.

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This bill requires the Department of Agriculture to expand standards that govern the humane handling, care, treatment, and transportation of animals to include new requirements for commercial dog dealers. Specifically, the standards must require dog dealers to provide to dogs The standards must also include requirements for breeders to use safe breeding practices and make all reasonable efforts to find humane placement for retired breeding dogs.

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This bill requires the U.S. Maritime Administration to make public and submit to Congress a report regarding cargo preference data on an annual basis.

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Speeches, etc. The Annual Sale of Work of the North Finchley & Whetstone Auxiliary of the British & Foreign Bible Society was held in Christ Church Hall, North Finchley, on Saturday. At the formal opening the platform party consisted of Mrs. Margaret Thatcher, MP; the Rev. Ralph Y. Baldry, Vicar of St. Luke's and Chairman of the Auxiliary, and Mrs. Baldry; the Rev. H. J. Parks. Vicar of Christ Church. and Mrs. Parks; Major and Mrs. C. W. Hume, Joint Hon. Secretaries of the Auxiliary: Mr. P. F. Hughes, Hon. Treasurer of the Auxiliary, and Mrs. Hughes, Chairman of the Women's Committee of the Auxiliary. The proceedings opened with prayer led by Mr. Baldry and then Mrs. Parks read a Scripture passage from Isaiah Chapter 55, verse 6. The Chairman then spoke about the work of the Auxiliary and explained that it was traditional for the Chairmanship to be passed around so that all the churches in the Auxiliary were in time, represented in this way. There was a need for many different denominations to share the work of spreading the word of God throughout the world. He said it was perhaps a good thing that other officials of the Auxiliary should be more permanent: he referred to the fact that Major and Mrs. Hume had recently become Joint Honorary Secretaries, while Mr. P. F. Hughes had been Hon. Treasurer for many years. He expressed thanks to them and to the stall-holders and all other helpers who had been brought in, and very special thanks to Mr. Parks and the members of Christ Church for the loan of their magnificent hall for this sale and also for their great activity behind the scenes before and during the sale in the preparation of teas. In introducing Mrs. Thatcher as the opener of the sale. Mr. Baldry said that Chairmen and Vicars could believe what they liked politically even although they should not say it in public, but there were many things which could be said with complete neutrality about Mrs. Thatcher who always filled the bill so well on these occasions which she fitted into the life of her Constituency. She did the job so well because she was interested in people and things and not tied down to the parochial or Westminster pump. On behalf of the Auxiliary he thanked her for coming and called upon her to open the Sale. Mrs. Thatcher said that she often wondered whether politics was the right thing for her and whether she could do the same job better elsewhere, though she had no intention of throwing it up. She took the opportunity to refer to the terrible tragedy which had befallen Aberfan in Wales. She thought the most awful thing that could happen to any person was that they should lose a child or that it should be afflicted with any disease. We should be filled with gratitude for merely being alive. She was also reminded of one of her favourite stories from the Bible—David 's lament for his son Absalom. We could always find in the Bible something which was so appropriate for what happens in our lives—events that always bring out the best in us and always encourage us to respond to the best instincts and never the worst. She referred to the many translations of the Bible, including the recent Jerusalem translation, but she thought we were very lucky in having in the Authorised Version the most beautiful translation of all, as it is the most beautiful piece of language that exists. Other translations made one look at it again and, while she personally would stick to the Authorised Version of 1611, it was not the translation that mattered but the deep feelings and beliefs that the translations could voice. She said with humility that the work of the Auxiliary was far more important than any work which she ever did in Parliament and that political work was nothing like as important as the work of the Church, which is the work which will eventually bring about the better world which we all hope for. She felt it an honour and privilege to declare open this sale in aid of the Auxiliary of the Bible Society. A bouquet was then presented to Mrs. Thatcher by Sarah Falk. the small daughter of the organist of Christ Church. The stalls at the sale covered groceries, cakes, sweets, stationery needlework and fancy goods, gardening and plants, kitchen articles and toilet goods and all did a splendid trade throughout the afternoon, while the tea-room was also well patronised. The proceeds of the sale amounted to over £134, which is a record for the Annual Sale of Work of the North Finchley and Whetstone Auxiliary. Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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This bill invalidates any regulation, rule, guidance, recommendation, or policy issued on or after May 15, 2015, that limits the sale or donation of excess federal property to state and local law enforcement agencies unless it is enacted by Congress. Additionally, it prohibits the use of federal funds to implement such regulation, rule, guidance, recommendation, or policy. Property that was recalled or seized on or after May 15, 2015, must be returned, replaced, or reissued to the state or local law enforcement agency.

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Speeches, etc. Malcolm Sweet, the 19 year-old boy who needs an artificial kidney machine to save his life will have all the necessary treatment paid for by the National Health Service. This was stated by Mrs. Margaret Thatcher, the Member of Parliament for Finchley & Friern Barnet in an exclusive interview with the Finchley Press at the House of Commons on Tuesday. The news came as the Appeal for £850 needed for the machine topped the mark and entered the £1000 bracket. At the time of going to press local organisations and individuals had contributed £1544 to the Appeal and the organisers were hoping enough would be raised to buy two of the machines. By last Sunday night with the donations from local church services the £850 had almost been raised and it was topped with a flood of donations in the Monday morning post. All this week money has been rolling in. Mrs. Thatcher told the Finchley Press that, although no-one had approached her for help she contacted the Minister of Health as soon as she saw the local papers last weekend. “Naturally I wanted all the facts, as it seemed to me that the full resources of the NHS should be mobilised to help this courageous young man. “On Monday I therefore had an interview with Sir Barnett Sloss, the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health—and himself a doctor. He had already received my letter and set some enquiries in train. He was able to tell me that another machine had been ordered that morning by the Royal Free Hospital. He promised to complete his enquiries and let me know the full facts by letter on Tuesday afternoon.” Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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Speeches, etc. The Prime Minister's decision to postpone the general election was condemned by Mrs Thatcher, Leader of the Opposition, when she heard the news at the Little Barrow Hotel, Lichfield, where she was resting after an intensive west Midlands tour yesterday. She said: “I believe the Prime Minister has made a mistake and his decision is against the nation's interest. He has lost his majority and with it the authority to govern. He should now properly seek the verdict of the people. “There are indeed many problems to be tackled in industry, commerce, jobs, the social services, Rhodesia and defence. They need long-term solutions, not short-term expedients. “They need a government with a clear mandate from the people and several years' life. Only that would restore confidence. As it is, we shall now have a long period of election fever. The country belongs to the courageous, not to the timid.” Mrs Thatcher said she was not angry, merely disappointed. Mr Callaghan 's announcement came at the end of a day when she had had one of her most successful “walkabouts” , visiting factories in west Gloucestershire and the west Midlands; and, finding a remarkable response from women working in factories, it looked as if the woman's vote was likely to be in her pocket. When she was asked where she went from here, she told me that she would try with the full force of the Opposition to bring down the Government on the last day of the debate on the Queen's Speech. She added that what would happen depended on the minority parties, including the Liberals, the Scottish National Party and Plaid Cymru. Presumably, she thought, the Prime Minister was playing for the nationalist vote in the Commons by promising that the referendums would be held for the creation of the Scottish and Welsh assemblies. She described herself as very calm, although anybody who has been travelling with her knows she is deeply disappointed. Mrs Thatcher admitted that she had been misled by the insistence of the media that Mr Callaghan was meeting the Cabinet yesterday to propose an early election. In the new circumstances, she said, “I must carry on” . In effect, she accepted that a December or January election was not likely unless there was a defeat on the Queen's Speech compelling a dissolution of Parliament, but she did not see how the Government could manage to struggle on through the whole of a parliamentary session on the basis that Mr Callaghan described in his broadcast. Clearly there is an important sense in which Mr Callaghan and the Cabinet have caught the Conservative Party napping. Mrs Thatcher and her party managers have invested a lot of money in a publicity campaign on the assumption of an autumn election. Addressing a rally of Conservative Party workers in Lichfield last night, Mrs Thatcher said: “The longer this government clings to office the greater will be the victory of the next Conservative government. If a Prime Minister shows he is afraid to go when he is in a minority then when the time comes that he has to go he has to be dispatched with all possible speed.” Mrs Thatcher's audience liked that, as they liked it when she said that, in his Gregorian chant to the Trades Union Congress on Tuesday, James Callaghanhe was “dilly-dallying on the way” . Her own choice of tune would be: “I want to wash that man right out of my hair.” She said the Conservative Party would really like another 13 years of government to set the country on a new course, although not in the direction of a quiet life. Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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Speeches, etc. Llew Gardner Mrs Thatcher, hello and welcome to ‘This Week’. Mrs Thatcher, you've been Leader of the Conservative Party for a year now. How does the Conservative Party under Mrs Thatcher differ in style, in policy and approach from the Party led by Mr Heath? Mrs Margaret Thatcher Well it's difficult for me really to judge the answer to that, because, after all I'm one of the principal people concerned. What I've tried to do is to show clearly the differences between the two Parties, and I believe they are getting steadily clearer as the days go by. To some extent, I think we've been helped by the Labour Party, which has gone further Left than it's ever gone before, so people really are beginning to realise that there's a tremendous difference between the policies a Conservative Government would pursue, and those a Labour Government is pursuing, and I've tried to put these in ordinary terms. Llew Gardner Without asking you to attack your former colleague, er, and the former Leader of the Party, are you in fact saying though that the Conservative Party in the past, in fact went too far to the Left, or too far on to the middle ground? Mrs Margaret Thatcher It would be difficult to go too far on to the middle ground, because usually, you know, that's the common sense ground which appeals to most people. Er, I think it's true to say, that the differences between Conservatives are very small indeed. Very small, compared to the enormous gulf between the Parties, and I am trying to focus attention on what I think the Labour Government is doing wrong, and there's plenty to focus attention on, and how differently we'd do it, and how different is our vision of the British way of life from theirs. [end p1] Llew Gardner Well, I don't want to stay with the differences between you and the past administration too long. But, would it be fair to say, that you … . under your leadership the Party is more dedicated to the principles of greater opportunity for the individual, and less interference by Government than it was in the past? Mrs Margaret Thatcher It would certainly be true to say that as the Labour Government's gone on, State interference has got greater and greater into the ordinary lives of people, and therefore it's become much, much clearer that we would have far less of that, leave much more choice with the ordinary people about how they lead their own lives, about how they spend their pay packet in their pockets, and I think you're quite right in saying that there has been much more emphasis on that. Llew Gardner As Leader of the Party do you see your task as one of formulating and pushing forward new ideas, and emphasis of policy, or do you see yourself as a co-ordinator of policies worked out by other people, a kind of referee? Mrs Margaret Thatcher Ooh, not a referee, I think perhaps more a manager of a team, and it does take quite some time, you know, to weld a team together to play effectively. I think any football manager will tell you that. Of course, you have to give some lead in policies … . Llew Gardner … . especially the policies of substantial reserves sitting on the back benches … . Mrs Margaret Thatcher Ooh, lots of reserves, there's plenty of reserve talent there, tremendous amount. Er, working out policy takes almost everyone on the back benches. Most of them are concerned in one way or another with some of the policy committees. And, of course, we have a lot of outside help as well. It's been marvellous to see the number of people who have come forward to say, ‘Well now look, we know, er, industry, we know commerce, can we help from the academic world?’ so it's a very big job, but the broad general differences, and broad general strategy are clear. [end p2] Llew Gardner You know, political commentators often complain that they have difficulty setting you within the Tory's spectrum, narrow as you've already suggested that spectrum may be. Er, and I can see, having listened to you for a few moments, why they have this difficulty … . Mrs Margaret Thatcher … You're having difficulty too … Llew Gardner … Yes, I'm having this difficulty. Is this because you really don't have any strong views about where the Party should be heading, or, is it that you see solely your task as bringing all the strings together? Mrs Margaret Thatcher Oh no, no. You know, we have difficulty with political commentators too. Er, I would have thought I'd given very clear leads in some of my speeches, er, there was the Conference speech, there was the speech which I did in America, which in fact, drew together a number of themes which I've been speaking about here. Perhaps I can summarise it best by saying this—Nations that have pursued equality, like the Iron Curtain countries, I think have finished up with neither equality, nor liberty. Nations, which like us, in the past have pursued liberty, as a fundamental objective, extending it to all, have finished up with liberty, human dignity, and far fewer inequalities than other people. Now, that was hailed as quite a distinctive lead at the time, since then … . Llew Gardner … held a sort of Right Wing lead, in some way … . Mrs Margaret Thatcher … . Oh no, liberty is fundamental. Liberty, human dignity, a higher standard of living is fundamental. And, steadily, I think, people are beginning to realise that you don't have those things unless you have a pretty large private enterprise sector. Any Iron Curtain country has neither liberty, nor a very high standard of living. The two things go, economic and political freedom, go together. I've been right in the forefront of saying that, here, in the States, and it's very interesting to me now, to see a number of articles from people who are taking up the same theme. They are disturbed that Socialism is reducing liberty and freedom for ordinary people, and that's really what matters. [end p3] Llew Gardner Well this is, I think, what I've been trying to ask you, Mrs Thatcher, that you have, it seems to me, that I presume Mr. Heath and all the people who served with him, felt all the things that you've been saying over the last year, just as much as you do, but perhaps they didn't say it. Do you see your task, that of repeating old Tory truths? Mrs Margaret Thatcher Fundamental truths are fundamental truths and last a very long time. It's not surprising really that you shouldn't find that number of differences between members of one Party. Because, after all, we all believe in the same way of life, and it's in getting that across that we perhaps put different emphasis on different things. I think my difficulty with political commentators is that they try to see more differences in policy, perhaps, than there are. What there may well be is a difference is style, and a difference in emphasis. I think you're struggling to find more differences than you'll find. Llew Gardner I'm struggling to really find a reason … . Mrs Margaret Thatcher … . You're struggling very hard … . Llew Gardner No, I'm struggling really to find a reason other than the fact that he lost three elections, why you bothered to get rid of Ted Heath in your Party? Mrs Margaret Thatcher Three elections is quite a lot, after all, if you believe in a way of life, you try to see that that way of life is the one which prevails in Britain. Look, Edward HeathTed had been Leader for ten years, and Prime Minister for four, that is a very great achievement, and it's not surprising that after ten years that people should want some changes. I look at his period as a period of undoubted achievement. But, inevitably there was a movement for change. Llew Gardner So, fundamentally, they hope you're a winner where he was a loser? [end p4] Mrs Margaret Thatcher I hope I'm a winner for the Party too. We both serve the Party, it's a cause you serve, not a person … . Llew Gardner Do you believe in consensus politics, er, within the Conservative Party, do you believe that really we talked about the middle ground, the middle ground is the place you have to be? Mrs Margaret Thatcher I'm never quite sure what you mean be consensus politics. I believe that what most people want in their lives, is what the Conservative Party wants to have for them. I believe that our policies are fundamentally common sense policies. Just let's take taxation for an example. Wherever I go I hear enormous resentment about the amount which people are paying out of their own pay packet in tax. And, this goes right across the income ranges. Socialism started by saying it was going to tax the rich, very rapidly it was taxing the middle income groups. Now, it's taxing people quite highly with incomes way below average and pensioners with incomes way below average. You look at the figure on the beginning of a pay slip, sometimes it can look quite high, look along the slip to the other end, and see how many deductions you've had off, those deductions have increased enormously under Socialism … . Llew Gardner … this takes us into the … . sorry … please do … Mrs Margaret Thatcher … because they've put it … can-can I just finish, because it's an important point? Public expenditure, which they always boast about, is financed out of the pay packet in our pockets. People are saying that they really think too much is being taken out of the pay packet for someone to spend on their behalf, and they'd rather be left with more, and it's now well-known that Socialist Governments put up taxes and Conservative Governments take them down. It's part of our fundamental belief giving the people more choice to spend their own money in their own way. [end p5] Llew Gardner And that takes us right into the economic debate. Er, I won't take up your point on taxes straight away, I think I'll … Mrs. Margaret Thatcher Quite crucial. Llew Gardner The Prime Minister … The Prime Minister and the Chancellor have both said, er, recently, the Prime Minister said, “We are winning through” . He said that on Monday, and that suggests that the Government policies have proved effective, and that inflation is being brought under control. Do you accept the Government's analysis of the situation? Mrs. Margaret Thatcher No, not wholly. Er, in the last election … . Llew Gardner Partly? Mrs. Margaret Thatcher … one moment. In the last election, you remember, Mr. Healey said that the rate of inflation then was eight point four per cent, and he fought the election on that, and the Harold WilsonPrime Minister fought on that, and having got unemployment down. Now, I've never seen such a bad economic record over this last year, as has been put up by the present Government. No one could have made a worse hash of it than they have. You've had inflation not at eight point four per cent, but at twenty-five per cent. You've had the highest rate of unemployment that we've ever had in the post war period. On top of that, you've got production, on which we all depend for our standard of living, is below what it was in 1970. Now you expect me to be satisfied with that? It is a terrible record; unequalled I believe in the western world, in the combination which you've had, of high inflation and high unemployment. Llew Gardner You don't accept that they are getting on top of the problem? Mrs. Margaret Thatcher They said they were getting on top of the problem last September. I hope they are getting on top of the problem for Britain's sake. What I suspect is happening is that we have certainly got welcome improvements, in that the rate of inflation appears now not to be twenty-five per cent, but what I regard, and Conservatives regard it as much too high a rate of twelve to fifteen per cent. You see, we're coming down to [end p6] what other countries had as their peak. So I hope we're coming down, and I hope for a time we're going to stay down. Unemployment, I'm afraid, will rise for a time. Er, and it's very tragic because it's not only the unemployment figures, but you've got to remember that each one probably has a family as well, and so it effects far more people than just the figures that we hear about. Llew Gardner Do you accept then that the Government's six pound pay limit, that the voluntary policy has worked? Mrs. Margaret Thatcher The six pound pay limit certainly has worked. But don't forget that we fought a 1974 election on saying really that pay couldn't go on going up as it was. The important thing … you must never look at pay on its own, what you've got to look at is pay in relation to the amount produced. It's when those two get badly out of line that you get inflation. And now obviously, we've got very much higher pay, but we're producing less than we were in 1970, so it's the relationship that you've got to watch. Don't look at pay separately. Once you start to cut off a man's pay from the fruits of his labour, he will inevitably feel enormous resentment. If he's going to work harder, of course he deserves more pay, and he doesn't want it all taken away in tax. But there are two sides of the equation you've got to look at. Llew Gardner There are of course, those within your party who are not that keen on any form of incomes policy. If Mr. Healey decides to continue with some form of incomes policy after July, will you support him in the House? Mrs. Margaret Thatcher What we said was perfectly plain during the debate. I spelt it out, other members of my Party spelt it out. Incomes policy is not enough. What incomes policy can do is to reduce the levels of unemployment that you'd otherwise have, and that's extremely important. It cannot of itself control inflation. You can't, if you're trying to control inflation, go on putting public expenditure up and up, beyond the taxpayer's capacity to pay; because that's a factor which will lead to inflation. What I fear Mr. Healey's had, is an incomes policy trying to cope at one end with the problem—bring it down, while at the other end he's had public expenditure going up and up which, in fact, has stoked up inflation. And in [end p7] the long term you've got to get the whole of the economic sector right. Llew Gardner Have a look at … Have a look at public expenditure in a moment. If he continues with an incomes policy after July, will you support it? Mrs. Margaret Thatcher Well, I think we'd need to know what kind of incomes policy it's going to be. You remember this came up when the six pound limit came up. We did not oppose an incomes policy. I did not think that a straight six pound policy was the right one to bring in. It will cause enormous problems in the future, because it's already squashed differentials. And, you know, you have a lot of different unions, because each of them is looking after different skills. You have tremendous problems already, because sometimes one group in a firm would have got an increase under the old pay code, and some others would have had only the six pound limit. So you've got differential problems. And we'll have to have a look to see what kind of incomes policy Mr. Healey and his Government is proposing. Llew Gardner You've talked about public expenditure. Can you cut public expenditure, and at the same time cut unemployment? Mrs. Margaret Thatcher Jobs really come in the productive sector of the economy. The real jobs are where people are producing goods or services which other people will buy. Now, dependent on those people producing those goods, are a lot of others in the public sector. Now if you run up the public sector, you can only do it by draining money out of industry and commerce. But that's where the jobs are. And one of the reasons why you have to cut public expenditure is to get the money back—one of the reasons why you have to cut public expenditure is to get money back out of the public sector, into industry and commerce, so that they, in fact, can invest, and improve, and expand; because that's where the secure jobs are. It's very complicated. Llew Gardner Is the answer to my question, yes? Mrs. Margaret Thatcher And I hope the point is clear. Llew Gardner Is the answer to my question, yes, that you can cut public expenditure, and cut unemployment? [end p8] Mrs. Margaret Thatcher Unless you cut public expenditure, you will not in the longer run have lower unemployment; you may have difficulties in the short run. We were saying this a year ago. Because they ran up inflation and didn't deal with it then, they've now got higher unemployment than they need have had. They've delayed solving the fundamental problem. Llew Gardner All right. When did you start … . decide to start beating them with unemployment? Er, because Sir Geoffrey Howe said quite recently that, “The Tory Party would never use the weapon of unemployment as a stick to beat the Government.” You now seem to be, er, have changed your mind on that? Mrs. Margaret Thatcher The facts are, Mr. Gardner, that the Conservative Party has never had the level of unemployment which the Labour Government has created now. Never. Llew Gardner Do you believe that you can cure inflation without a considerable amount of unemployment? Mrs. Margaret Thatcher I believe that we should not have had the present level of inflation but for a Labour Government. It went up to twenty-five per cent partly because of their disastrous policies between elections, and since the second election … Llew Gardner Can you cure … . Mrs. Margaret Thatcher … . if they had not … . One moment, Mr. Gardner. Just let's apportion the blame. If they had not run inflation up to unprecedented levels, and if they'd listened to some economic advice before that, we should have had prices not as high as they have been, and we should have unemployment a lot lower. Unless they get it right now, we shall have more unemployment in the future than we need have. Llew Gardner Can you cure inflation without a considerable degree of unemployment? Mrs. Margaret Thatcher Curing inflation depends upon a number of things. It depends upon the equation of getting your production and your wages right, and therefore, indirectly, your money supply right. It depends upon not having too much public expenditure. Er, and those, I think, are two of the fundamental [end p9] things—the money supply is all right. Difficult with incomes in relation to production. Llew Gardner But there's no easy way, is there, Mrs. Thatcher? Mrs. Margaret Thatcher No. [end p10] Llew Gardner There's no way that isn't painful for the people, is there? Mrs. Margaret Thatcher No. But, you see, it would have been a lot less painful if they'd done it right at the start. This I find difficult to get across to you, Mr. Gardner. When we left office in February 1974, the level of inflation that we regarded as intolerably high was about fourteen or fifteen per cent. That's what they've now got down to, having taken it right up and down. We need never have gone up to the level to which they've taken it. Now, we were fighting on a policy of trying to deal with inflation then. They did not deal with it. We had cut expenditure then. Tony Barber had had very severe cuts. So really he'd got it all going right for them, and then they went in the wrong way. And the troubles we're having now are their troubles, due to their policies, and they really must tackle them fundamentally to get themselves out of it. Llew Gardner Unfortunately, they're our problems as well. Er, however Mrs … Mrs. Margaret Thatcher Unfortunately, yes … Llew Gardner However, Mrs. … Mrs. Margaret Thatcher I agree, because the people pay. Llew Gardner However, Mrs. Thatcher, may … . may … . may I ask you. I understand that the … . some of the cuts you'd make in public expenditure are the fields of er, food subsidies and housing subsidies. Are there other places you would cut? Mrs. Margaret Thatcher Look, I think you're tackling public expenditure from the wrong end, if I might say so. Why don't you look at it as any housewife has to look at it? She has to look at her expenditure every week or every month, according to what she can afford to spend, and if she overspends [end p11] one week or month, she's got to economise the next. Now governments really ought to look at it from the viewpoint of “What can we afford to spend?” They've already put up taxes, and yet the taxes they collect are not enough for the tremendous amount they're spending. They're having to borrow to a greater extent than ever before, and future generations will have to repay. Now, if anyone tells me that a Chancellor of the Denis HealeyExchequer can put up public expenditure in two years by—and it's a tremendous figure—twenty thousand million pounds, and he doesn't know where to get it down by about three thousand million pounds, then he ought never to have been in charge of the nation's finances … never! Llew Gardner Do you know where to get … . do you know where to get it down? Mrs. Margaret Thatcher When I see the full public expenditure figures, we shall have more idea in detail. In the meantime, we have said some of the things which are indicated, and we must also stop spending enormous sums on nationalising everything he can lay hands on, because that doesn't help public expenditure either. It merely adds to the bills we have to pay in future years, and if he'd stop that, we should be very much better off than we are today—and have very much lower expenditure. Llew Gardner Mrs. Thatcher, turning to the Tory Party in opposition, you've made a number of declarations of war on the present Labour Government. When's the war going to start? Mrs. Margaret Thatcher We battle almost daily. Unfortunately, the Labour Party in Parliament has a majority of forty over the Conservative Party. So the Conservative Party alone can never beat them. They've an overall majority of one over all the other parties together, so we're … Llew Gardner Well, not at the moment, but er, in theory. Mrs. Margaret Thatcher Well yes, yes … at the moment … an overall majority of one. So if we're to bring them down, all the other parties have to join with us er, on a combined vote, and we all have to be there. As a matter of fact there's slightly more than one, because there are two independents who [end p12] normally vote Labour. So until we've won a few by-elections, we can't, even acting together, bring them down. So we shall go into battle in the next by-elections. We won one, as you know. Llew Gardner And yet, you know, don't you find it a bit odd … I know, I mean I talk to Conservatives in the country … . they find it odd that a government with no real majority, or a majority of one as you say … facing huge problems, er, unpopular apparently in the country, according to the opinion polls, yet it manages to act in the House. If all the world was seen to have a huge built-in majority and was the safest government that's ever been … is that just a matter of Mr. Wilson 's general confidence and isn't that a reflection on the Opposition? Mrs. Margaret Thatcher No. Er, I think you've got it wrong. Er, I tried to spell out a moment ago, they in fact have a majority. The majority is bigger than it looks, because it's a majority of forty over us. So in fact they … if ever we manage to get a vote within forty, it means that other parties have combined with us. If the other parties vote with them, they can have a majority of seventy, so they've got a majority, and so long as they keep that they can get through what they like. The moment we try … . we topple them on one or two by-elections, then they will have lost their overall majority, and that can have quite far-reaching consequences. So it's just a plain straight question of arithmetic at the moment. Llew Gardner But are there …? Mrs. Margaret Thatcher So you need to look at the answer. You just look at the arithmetic. Llew Gardner There are those nasty critics, of course, who suggest that you don't really want to bring them down at the moment. Life is a bit too difficult in the country, and that … leave them to sort the mess out and then come in with the attack later … say next year. [end p13] Mrs. Margaret Thatcher I would much prefer to bring them down as soon as possible. I think they've made the biggest financial mess that any government's ever made in this country for a very long time, and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them. They then start to nationalise everything, and people just do not like more and more nationalisation, and they're now trying to control everything by other means. They're progressively reducing the choice available to ordinary people. Look at the trouble now we're having with choice of schools. Of course parents want a say in the kind of education their children have. Look at the William Tyndall School—an example where the parents finally rebelled. Of course they did. These schools are financed by taxpayers' money, but the choice to parents is being reduced. Look at the large numbers of people who live on council estates. Many of them would like to buy their own homes. Oh, but that's not approved of by a Socialist government … . oh no! But that's absurd. Why shouldn't they? Well over thirty per cent of our houses are council houses. Why shouldn't those people purchase their own homes if they can? Llew Gardner Mrs … Mrs. Thatcher, I hesitate to interrupt you, but we're in the last minute almost. Mrs. Margaret Thatcher It's gone very quickly. Llew Gardner Er, you said in a recent interview that 1967–1976 would be a good year to become Prime Minister. Can you imagine being Prime Minister of a team that doesn't have such distinguished figures as Edward Heath and Peter Walker in its ranks? Mrs. Margaret Thatcher Let's win the election first. Then I'll choose my team, and it'll be a jolly good team, and it'll put Britain on the right road. Llew Gardner You wouldn't rule out Mr. Walker and Mr. Heath in that team? [end p14] Mrs. Margaret Thatcher I shall win first, and then, if I'm still leader of the party, which I hope and assume will be so, I shall choose my own team. Llew Gardner If you win you probably will still be leader. Er, a number of nicknames you've had er, since coming into politics … ‘Milk-snatcher’, ‘Hoarder’, now ‘The Iron Maiden’. Which one of all those do you prefer? Mrs. Margaret Thatcher I think that perhaps in firmness with which one will deal with policies, perhaps ‘The Iron Maiden’ is right, but, um, it's an Iron Maiden who has a family, and that's very important. Llew Gardner Mrs. Thatcher, thank you very much indeed. Good night to you. Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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speech etc llew gardner mrs thatcher hello welcome week mrs thatcher ve leader conservative party year conservative party mrs thatcher differ style policy approach party lead mr heath mrs margaret thatcher difficult judge answer m principal people concern ve try clearly difference party believe get steadily clear day extent think ve help labour party gone leave go people begin realise s tremendous difference policy conservative government pursue labour government pursue ve try ordinary term llew gardner ask attack colleague er leader party fact say conservative party past fact go far left far middle ground mrs margaret thatcher difficult far middle ground usually know s common sense ground appeal people er think true difference conservative small small compare enormous gulf party try focus attention think labour government wrong s plenty focus attention differently d different vision british way life theirs end llew gardner not want stay difference past administration long fair leadership party dedicated principle great opportunity individual interference government past mrs margaret thatcher certainly true labour government go state interference get great great ordinary life people clear far leave choice ordinary people lead life spend pay packet pocket think right say emphasis llew gardner leader party task formulating push forward new idea emphasis policy coordinator policy work people kind referee mrs margaret thatcher ooh referee think manager team time know weld team play effectively think football manager tell course lead policy llew gardner especially policy substantial reserve sit bench mrs margaret thatcher ooh lot reserve s plenty reserve talent tremendous er work policy take bench concern way policy committee course lot outside help marvellous number people come forward look know er industry know commerce help academic world big job broad general difference broad general strategy clear end llew gardner know political commentator complain difficulty set tory spectrum narrow ve suggest spectrum er having listen moment difficulty mrs margaret thatcher have difficulty llew gardner yes m have difficulty not strong view party head solely task bring string mrs margaret thatcher oh know difficulty political commentator er think d give clear lead speech er conference speech speech america fact draw number theme ve speak summarise well say nation pursue equality like iron curtain country think finish equality liberty nation like past pursue liberty fundamental objective extend finish liberty human dignity far few inequality people hail distinctive lead time llew gardner hold sort right wing lead way mrs margaret thatcher oh liberty fundamental liberty human dignity high standard living fundamental steadily think people begin realise not thing pretty large private enterprise sector iron curtain country liberty high standard live thing economic political freedom ve right forefront say state interesting number article people take theme disturb socialism reduce liberty freedom ordinary people s matter end llew gardner think ve try ask mrs thatcher presume mr heath people serve feel thing ve say year not task repeat old tory truth mrs margaret thatcher fundamental truth fundamental truth long time surprising not find number difference member party believe way life get different emphasis different thing think difficulty political commentator try difference policy difference style difference emphasis think struggle find difference ll find llew gardner m struggle find reason mrs margaret thatcher struggle hard llew gardner m struggle find reason fact lose election bother rid ted heath party mrs margaret thatcher election lot believe way life try way life prevail britain look edward heathte leader year prime minister great achievement surprising year people want change look period period undoubted achievement inevitably movement change llew gardner fundamentally hope winner loser end mrs margaret thatcher hope m winner party serve party cause serve person llew gardner believe consensus politic er conservative party believe talk middle ground middle ground place mrs margaret thatcher m sure mean consensus politic believe people want life conservative party want believe policy fundamentally common sense policy let taxation example hear enormous resentment people pay pay packet tax go right income range socialism start say go tax rich rapidly tax middle income group tax people highly income way average pensioner income way average look figure beginning pay slip look high look slip end deduction ve deduction increase enormously socialism llew gardner take sorry mrs margaret thatcher ve cancan finish important point public expenditure boast finance pay packet pocket people say think take pay packet spend behalf d leave wellknown socialist government taxis conservative government fundamental belief give people choice spend money way end llew gardner take right economic debate er will not point taxis straight away think ill mrs margaret thatcher crucial llew gardner prime minister prime minister chancellor say er recently prime minister say win say monday suggest government policy prove effective inflation bring control accept government analysis situation mrs margaret thatcher wholly er election llew gardner partly mrs margaret thatcher moment election remember mr healey say rate inflation point cent fight election harold wilsonprime minister fight having get unemployment ve see bad economic record year present government bad hash ve inflation point cent twentyfive cent ve high rate unemployment ve post war period ve get production depend standard living expect satisfied terrible record unequalle believe western world combination ve high inflation high unemployment llew gardner not accept get problem mrs margaret thatcher say get problem september hope get problem britain sake suspect happen certainly get welcome improvement rate inflation appear twentyfive cent regard conservative regard high rate cent come end country peak hope come hope time go stay unemployment m afraid rise time er tragic unemployment figure ve get remember probably family effect far people figure hear llew gardner accept government pound pay limit voluntary policy work mrs margaret thatcher pound pay limit certainly work not forget fight election say pay not go important thing look pay ve get look pay relation produce badly line inflation obviously ve get high pay produce relationship ve get watch not look pay separately start cut man pay fruit labour inevitably feel enormous resentment s go work hard course deserve pay not want take away tax side equation ve get look llew gardner course party keen form income policy mr healey decide continue form income policy july support house mrs margaret thatcher say perfectly plain debate spelt member party spelt income policy income policy reduce level unemployment d s extremely important control inflation not try control inflation put public expenditure taxpayer capacity pay s factor lead inflation fear mr healey income policy try cope end problem bring end s public expenditure go fact stoke inflation end long term ve get economic sector right llew gardner look look public expenditure moment continue income policy july support mrs margaret thatcher think d need know kind income policy go remember come pound limit come oppose income policy think straight pound policy right bring cause enormous problem future squashed differential know lot different union look different skill tremendous problem group firm get increase old pay code pound limit ve get differential problem look kind income policy mr healey government propose llew gardner ve talk public expenditure cut public expenditure time cut unemployment mrs margaret thatcher job come productive sector economy real job people produce good service people buy dependent people produce good lot public sector run public sector drain money industry commerce s job reason cut public expenditure money reason cut public expenditure money public sector industry commerce fact invest improve expand s secure job complicated llew gardner answer question yes mrs margaret thatcher hope point clear llew gardner answer question yes cut public expenditure cut unemployment end mrs margaret thatcher cut public expenditure long run low unemployment difficulty short run say year ago run inflation not deal ve get high unemployment need ve delay solve fundamental problem llew gardner right start decide start beat unemployment er sir geoffrey howe say recently tory party use weapon unemployment stick beat government er change mind mrs margaret thatcher fact mr gardner conservative party level unemployment labour government create llew gardner believe cure inflation considerable unemployment mrs margaret thatcher believe present level inflation labour government go twentyfive cent partly disastrous policy election second election llew gardner cure mrs margaret thatcher moment mr gardner let apportion blame run inflation unprecedented level d listen economic advice price high unemployment lot low right shall unemployment future need llew gardner cure inflation considerable degree unemployment mrs margaret thatcher cure inflation depend number thing depend equation get production wage right indirectly money supply right depend have public expenditure er think fundamental end thing money supply right difficult income relation production llew gardner s easy way mrs thatcher mrs margaret thatcher end llew gardner s way not painful people mrs margaret thatcher lot painful d right start find difficult mr gardner leave office february level inflation regard intolerably high fourteen cent s ve get having take right need go level ve take fight policy try deal inflation deal cut expenditure tony barber severe cut d get go right go wrong way trouble having trouble policy tackle fundamentally llew gardner unfortunately problem er mrs mrs margaret thatcher unfortunately yes llew gardner mrs mrs margaret thatcher agree people pay llew gardner mrs thatcher ask understand cut d public expenditure field er food subsidy housing subsidy place cut mrs margaret thatcher look think tackle public expenditure wrong end not look housewife look look expenditure week month accord afford spend overspend end week month s get economise government ought look viewpoint afford spend ve taxis taxis collect tremendous spend have borrow great extent future generation repay tell chancellor denis healeyexchequer public expenditure year tremendous figure thousand million pound not know thousand million pound ought charge nation finance llew gardner know know mrs margaret thatcher public expenditure figure shall idea detail meantime say thing indicate stop spend enormous sum nationalise lay hand not help public expenditure merely add bill pay future year d stop well today low expenditure llew gardner mrs thatcher turn tory party opposition ve number declaration war present labour government s war go start mrs margaret thatcher battle daily unfortunately labour party parliament majority conservative party conservative party beat ve overall majority party llew gardner moment er theory mrs margaret thatcher yes yes moment overall majority bring party join er combine vote matter fact s slightly independent end normally vote labour ve win byelection not act bring shall battle byelection win know llew gardner know not find bit odd know mean talk conservative country find odd government real majority majority face huge problem er unpopular apparently country accord opinion poll manage act house world see huge builtin majority safe government s matter mr wilson s general confidence not reflection opposition mrs margaret thatcher er think ve get wrong er try spell moment ago fact majority majority big look majority fact manage vote mean party combine party vote majority seventy ve get majority long like moment try topple byelection lose overall majority farreache consequence plain straight question arithmetic moment llew gardner mrs margaret thatcher need look answer look arithmetic llew gardner nasty critic course suggest not want bring moment life bit difficult country leave sort mess come attack later year end mrs margaret thatcher prefer bring soon possible think ve big financial mess government country long time socialist government traditionally financial mess run people money characteristic start nationalise people like nationalisation try control mean progressively reduce choice available ordinary people look trouble have choice school course parent want kind education child look william tyndall school example parent finally rebel course school finance taxpayer money choice parent reduce look large number people live council estate like buy home oh s approve socialist government oh s absurd not thirty cent house council house not people purchase home llew gardner mrs mrs thatcher hesitate interrupt minute mrs margaret thatcher go quickly llew gardner er say recent interview good year prime minister imagine prime minister team not distinguished figure edward heath peter walker rank mrs margaret thatcher let win election ill choose team ll jolly good team ll britain right road llew gardner not rule mr walker mr heath team end mrs margaret thatcher shall win m leader party hope assume shall choose team llew gardner win probably leader er number nickname ve er come politic milksnatcher hoarder iron maiden prefer mrs margaret thatcher think firmness deal policy iron maiden right um iron maiden family s important llew gardner mrs thatcher thank good night copyright margaret thatcher foundation right reserve

Speeches, etc. That those pledged to fight the evils of Socialism will be the mainstay of the future of this country was agreed when the annual report of the Executive Council of Dartford Conservative and Unionist Association was approved at the annual meeting of the association held at the Bull Hotel, Dartford, on Thursday last week. Miss Margaret Roberts, prospective Conservative candidate for the Division, claimed that if the present rate of Government expenditure went on and the budgets were as high as they had been since 1945 the present Government would in five years have spent as much as all the Governments between the wars. Miss Roberts said that at the end of the war we had practically no overseas investments left; lease - lend was about to end, and the country had to pay her way with visible exports. Fortunately, America came to our aid. The Conservatives did not altogether approve of the way that loan was negotiated, and they abstained from voting on the question. In course of time their opinions were proved right. In 1946 came the wheat crisis. Again the Conservatives were right. Then there was the fuel crisis, the result of which was a loss to the export drive of £200,000,000. That money would have paid for five years' supply of tobacco, lost for want of just 5,000,000 tons of coal. “Had the Tories been in power, there would have been the biggest outcry against a Government ever known; somehow we Tories do not seem to bring home the faults of the Socialist Government as much as they would have done if the boot had been on the other foot,” declared Miss Roberts. The dollar crisis was next on the list. This still existed. This Government would, she claimed, have gone out of power had it not been for the extreme generosity of “our American friends.” A new problem was arising. For the past few years the cry had been “Produce more, produce more.” Now a condition had been added, “Produce more at a cost which your customers can pay.” Already there were signs that we were having difficulty in selling our goods. The battle of to-day was the driving down of the cost of production. It had been asked if the present benefits under social security would have existed had a Conservative Government been in power. Miss Roberts referred her listeners to the days of 1941, when the Coalition Government (with a Conservative majority) set up under Sir William Beveridge a National Health Service Committee. At a later date, five main propositions were accepted. There should be a comprehensive scheme to cover everybody, a similar industrial injuries insurance scheme, family allowances, a national health service and national assistance, with an abolishing of the old Poor Law system. All of these principles, involving tremendous new plans, were well on the way to being completed when the Conservatives went out of office. Mr. Churchill had said that it would be a crime on the part of any Government to allow the value of people's savings to depreciate. “That is precisely what has happened,” said Miss Roberts. During the first nine months of the financial year, withdrawals from savings for the first time exceeded savings by £18,000,000. People had to have something over in order to save up some capital for themselves—enough for them to feel that in the event of a rainy day they could tide themselves over. Miss Roberts stressed that the security a family could have by saving its own money, buying its own house and investing, was far better than the ordinary security one would get from any national scheme. One of the first actions of any Conservative Government had to be the reduction of taxation. It could be done if Government extravagance was decreased. “If the present rate of Government expenditure goes on and the Budgets are as high in the next year as in the last four, this Government, in its five years of office, will have spent as much as all the Governments from 1918 to 1939,” stated the speaker. Mr. J. F. L. Gates proposed a vote of thanks to Miss Roberts, which was seconded by Mrs. A. Jenns. Mr. A. Morris Wheeler was re-elected president of the association, and other officers re-elected were Mr. J. L. M. Miller (chairman), Mr. Hugh Goff (vice-chairman) and Mr. W. E. D. Kelsey (hon. treasurer). Mrs. D. M. Fletcher and Miss M. Hamilton are also vice-chairmen. Mr. Morris Wheeler said that in the selection of Miss Roberts as prospective candidate, the committee had probably had in mind that her father was a big Liberal worker, and that she would get not only Liberal support in voting, but also Liberal support in working. The president reported that Mr. J. Rupert Mitchell had invited the association to take over the lease of part of his premises in Spital-street, and they were very grateful. It was agreed to send a letter to Mr. Mitchell, who is in hospital, wishing him a speedy recovery. In the annual report, presented by the chairman and the secretary, it was stated that during 1948 membership of the association had increased by more than 150 per cent. The Young Conservatives organisation continued to flourish, and a Young Conservative Divisional Council had been formed to co-ordinate the work of the two branches. Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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speech etc pledge fight evil socialism mainstay future country agree annual report executive council dartford conservative unionist association approve annual meeting association hold bull hotel dartford thursday week miss margaret roberts prospective conservative candidate division claim present rate government expenditure go budget high present government year spend government war miss robert say end war practically overseas investment leave lease lend end country pay way visible export fortunately america come aid conservative altogether approve way loan negotiate abstain vote question course time opinion prove right come wheat crisis conservative right fuel crisis result loss export drive money pay year supply tobacco lose want ton coal tory power big outcry government know tory bring home fault socialist government boot foot declare miss roberts dollar crisis list exist government claim go power extreme generosity american friend new problem arise past year cry produce produce condition add produce cost customer pay sign have difficulty sell good battle today driving cost production ask present benefit social security exist conservative government power miss roberts refer listener day coalition government conservative majority set sir william beveridge national health service committee later date main proposition accept comprehensive scheme cover everybody similar industrial injury insurance scheme family allowance national health service national assistance abolishing old poor law system principle involve tremendous new plan way complete conservative go office mr churchill say crime government allow value people saving depreciate precisely happen say miss robert month financial year withdrawal saving time exceed saving people order save capital feel event rainy day tide miss robert stress security family save money buy house investing far well ordinary security national scheme action conservative government reduction taxation government extravagance decrease present rate government expenditure go budget high year government year office spend government state speaker mr j f l gates propose vote thank miss robert second mrs jenn mr morris wheeler reelect president association officer reelect mr j l m miller chairman mr hugh goff vicechairman mr w e d kelsey hon treasurer mrs d m fletcher miss m hamilton vicechairman mr morris wheeler say selection miss roberts prospective candidate committee probably mind father big liberal worker liberal support voting liberal support work president report mr j rupert mitchell invite association lease premise spitalstreet grateful agree send letter mr mitchell hospital wish speedy recovery annual report present chairman secretary state membership association increase cent young conservative organisation continue flourish young conservative divisional council form coordinate work branch copyright margaret thatcher foundation right reserve

This bill revises provisions regarding shark conservation and fishery management. The bill requires any country that seeks to import shark products into the United States to obtain a certification from the Department of Commerce that the country has a regulatory program in effect to provide for the conservation and management of sharks, including measures to prohibit the removal of any of the fins of a shark (including the tail). Commerce must revise its regulations to include rays and skates as species that are subject to the Seafood Traceability Program. The Seafood Traceability Program has data reporting and recordkeeping requirements at the time of entry for imported fish or fish products entered into U.S. commerce.

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bill revise provision shark conservation fishery management bill require country seek import shark product united states obtain certification department commerce country regulatory program effect provide conservation management shark include measure prohibit removal fin shark include tail commerce revise regulation include ray skate specie subject seafood traceability program seafood traceability program datum reporting recordkeeping requirement time entry import fish fish product enter commerce

This bill prohibits the Small Business Administration from directly making a loan under the 7(a) Program, which authorizes loans and loan guaranties to small businesses that meet certain requirements.

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Jun 10, 2020 Donald Trump held a June 10 meeting with black leaders to talk about race & policing in America. He also announced he’ll be having a rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma Friday. Read the full transcript of the roundtable here. Transcribe Your Own Content Try Rev for free and save time transcribing, captioning, and subtitling. Donald Trump: (00:00)… at that point, it’s been an amazing thing to behold and we’re going to be starting our rallies. The first one we believe will be probably we’re just starting to call up, will be in Oklahoma, in Tulsa, Oklahoma. A beautiful new venue, brand new, and they’re looking forward to it. They’ve done a great job with COVID as you know, in the state of Oklahoma. And we’re going to be coming into Florida, do a big one in Florida, a big one in Texas, they’re all going to be big. We’re going to Arizona. We’re going to North Carolina at the appropriate time. The governor’s a little backward there, he’s a little bit behind. And unfortunately we’re going to probably be having no choice but to move the Republican convention to another location. That’ll be announced shortly, but we’ll have no choice. We wanted to stay in North Carolina very badly. We love it, it’s a great state. A state I won. Donald Trump: (00:52)Many, many friends, many relatives, frankly, that live there. And we’ll see how it all works out. But the governor doesn’t want to give an inch. And what he’s doing is losing hundreds of millions of dollars for his state, but we’ll probably have no other recourse but to move it to another state. We have a lot of states that want it, Texas, Georgia, Florida. There are many, many states that want it. But we’ve given them everything we can, North Carolina, special place. But I think we’re going to probably end up giving you an announcement pretty soon. We are doing well in so many ways. You see what’s going on with NASDAQ. We just broke another record yesterday. Some good news came out of the federal reserve today. I think some very good news. We’re really doing a financial comeback, the job’s numbers were fantastic. Donald Trump: (01:45)Now we’ll have some other job numbers come up over the next few weeks and we’ll see how that goes. But I think it’s really good and we’re on our way to a very big comeback. I’d like to ask some of the folks that I’m with today to say a few words. They’ve been really supporters and friends of mine. They understand life. They understand I think the black community better than anybody I know. And I will tell you, Ben Carson is an example of exactly what I’m talking about. He’s been my friend from the first day we met, I think, and we met, we were opponents, but we were never really opponents. Ben is a very exceptional guy. He’s done a fantastic job at HUD, but I’d like to maybe start with Ben to say a couple of words and go to Darrell. And the rest of us, let’s say a few words to the press. So if you would please, Ben. Ben Carson: (02:34)Thank you, Mr. President. We’re here obviously to talk about some of the concerns of the black community, that have risen to a point that people all around the world are making their voices heard. This is an opportune time to do something about it because this administration has already established a record of actually solving problems. Problems that other people just talk about and have talked about for many years. And I am delighted Mr. President, that you have made it a priority to solve this problem. And we’re all going to be helping with that process. There are many others out there, people of good will, there’s some who just wait for anything to criticize it. But there are actually some people who actually want to see a solution. And I’ve had a chance to talk to many of them, will continue to do that, put forth the kinds of programs that actually get people out of poverty, not things that just keep people stable in poverty and happy in poverty. Ben Carson: (03:48)We want to change that whole dynamic. And I think some of the things that have already been done, we will get back to those quickly. This was an intentional stopping of the economy, of an amazing economy. The fundamentals of that economy are still in place. We will recoup that and we will move further on. And your philosophy of course, has been that a rising tide floats all boats. And that’s why you don’t spend a lot of time with identity politics. We want everybody to be successful. Donald Trump: (04:22)That’s right. Ben Carson: (04:23)And we’re going to do everything we can to help you do that. Donald Trump: (04:25)Well, as I’ve been saying, Ben, I think that the economy next year will be maybe the best it’s ever been. You can already see it with the stock market, how it’s been going up because you have a lot of smart people that are betting on exactly what I’m saying. The stock market is almost as high as it was prior to the plague floating in from China. It was a plague that floated in from China. Now they’re learning that it may have been much earlier, which bears out exactly what I’ve been saying. You saw that word yesterday, that it may have come in a lot sooner than we were told. A friend of mine is Darrell Scott, and he’s a great guy and he’s got a tremendous heart. At the same time, he’s a tough cookie. I think that’s what maybe attracted me to him. Unfortunately, I didn’t get attracted to the good parts, but that’s a good part too. Darrell, say a few words please. Darrell Scott: (05:15)We’re here today and thank you, Mr. President for allowing us to come. Our nation is at a juncture where we’re facing another challenge, but this administration has become used to challenges. It’s been one challenge after another and we’ve pressed pause, but we’re waiting to press play now and continue in the positive initiatives regarding the black community. Now, Mr. Trump called me in November of 2016, right after the election, right after he won. And he said to me, “What do you want? And I said, “What do you mean?” He said, “Well, I mean, you’ve been working real hard. Isn’t anything that you want?” And I said, “I want to be a liaison from the black community to the Trump administration and the liaison to the black community from the Trump administration.” Darrell Scott: (06:00)Since then, we’ve worked on criminal justice reform. We’ve worked on urban revitalization, prison reform, HBCUs, a number of initiatives that are pro-active towards the black community. And here we are now, and we could be facing another challenge and we’re going to come up with some great solutions to these problems that are confronting this country. And I’m just glad to have a seat at the table and to have my input received. Donald Trump: (06:26)Well, your input’s been very important, Darrell, you know that. Darrell Scott: (06:28)Thank you. Donald Trump: (06:29)And it is true and I’ve known Darrell a long time. He didn’t want anything. What he wanted was just to have a voice so he can make certain positions known. And he’s done that very well, better than anybody I can think of. Another great voice in the black community is Wayne. Wayne, you’ve been my friend for a long time. Wayne Dupree, his show is a phenomena. It’s a great success and people listen and they respect what you have to say. Go ahead, please. Wayne Dupree: (06:57)Well, my name is Wayne Dupree. I met President Trump when he was a businessman. As a matter of fact, he’s given me five interviews, two of them in person, three on the phone. And when you’re talking about somebody who is not with the mainstream media, somebody who just has a small voice, but has a desire to make changes with his voice, to reach out to a billionaire in New York and without hesitation, he gave me those interviews. And I think he’s a natural leader. And I mean, honestly, I have supported him ever since he decided to run for president. As a matter of fact, we interviewed him the month before he came down the escalator and he said, “Well, Wayne, we’re going to have a big announcement next month.” And I said, “Well, you can do it here on the show if you really want to.” Wayne Dupree: (08:04)But I mean, I’m glad that he has changed things here in D.C. But my daughters and my son and my family, they want to see a lot more positive things coming from the White House. They want to see your leadership and they also want to see things change for the better in this country. I know you can do it. I know you can do it. Donald Trump: (08:32)We’ll do it. We’ll do it, Wayne. Go ahead, please. Raynard Jackson: (08:35)My name is Raynard Jackson. Thank you, Mr. President, and thank you Darrell for inviting us to this round table here. I’m from St. Louis originally, live here in Virginia. But what I like to say to you Mr. President is kind of off the beaten path. I like to say to all the media assembled here, that I wish they would quit lying about what you’ve done specifically for the black community. So you got radical liberal journalists like Joy Reid from MSNBC, Don Lemon from CNN, Roland Martin, who are putting more poison into the black community than any drug dealer, who are killing more black folks that any white person with a sheet over their face. How they doing it? Spreading lies about the economy you have Mr. President before the virus was a continuation of Obama. That’s factually not true. Raynard Jackson: (09:26)I have a degree in accounting. I keep up with the economy. They’re lying. So to all of these folks on MSNBC, CNN, Roland Martin, what are you afraid to have real black Republicans who know what the hell they’re talking about? If you want to know the truth, if you want us to dissect the Obama economy, let’s do it. And I think Mr. President, your record would win the debate. Thank you. Donald Trump: (09:48)Thank you very much. It’s interesting that you say that, but you go down a list of criminal justice reform and all of the things we’ve done. Opportunity Zones, the best unemployment rate in the history, just before the plague came in and it’s going to be back again soon. I think it’s going to be back again a lot sooner than people think. I think last week was a reflection of that, the job’s numbers. But you look at all of the things we’ve done. We’ve now worked on prison reform, so important and so many other things. But when you look at the economics, when you look at how well the black community has been doing under this administration, nobody’s done anything like we’ve done. And a big thing is criminal justice reform. I keep hearing about, oh, criminal justice reform and everyone’s trying to take the credit. And that one, I will say, we will take the full credit because they couldn’t have done it without us. Donald Trump: (10:38)I’m not sure, frankly, that the previous administration tried, they may have, but they certainly couldn’t get it done. And the people that came into my office really, really asking very nicely for help. These are not people that are supporters of mine, but once we got it, they took the full credit for themselves and that’s okay too. But we got done criminal justice reform and all of the other things. I think that one of the elements that people aren’t talking about are the Opportunity Zones that we did with a great senator, your friend from South Carolina, right? We did it with Tim and it was his idea and it was a big idea. It was a bold idea and it’s worked much better than … In our wildest dreams we couldn’t have thought that that was going to happen. So we did many, many things that we’re going to continue to do many things. Donald Trump: (11:27)One of the elements that I talk about is, and I was telling this to Darrell before, that 42, 44 people would come to see me every year. The heads of the Historically Black Colleges and Universities. And they would come up here and I got to actually know them. And the first year they came, I thought it was a normal meeting. They were asking for a lot of money, which they were having a hard time getting from previous administrations. And we got it for them. The next year, they came back. I said, “Oh, what are you guys back for?” He said, “Well, we want the money again.” I said, “Aren’t we working a longterm deals? No, we’ve got the money.” And then the third time I said, “I see, you’ve come.” So they made you for years, many years, for decades, they had to come back, keep coming back, keep coming back. Donald Trump: (12:17)Not like a lot of others where they get it. And they kept coming back and asking for money. And I said, “What’s this all about, why do you have to come every year? Why don’t we make a longer term deal?” And we made, I think, a 10 year deal and they’re all funded up and they’re all set. And that’s Historically Black Colleges and Universities and they play a tremendous function. I got to be friendly with some of them. I won’t tell you what some of them said, how bad it was about the past administration and past administrations. But they were treated very, very badly. And I treated them very good. So they don’t have to come back. Donald Trump: (12:50)I said, the only bad thing is I won’t see you people anymore, maybe for a long time. And they were okay with that. Now they can focus on what they really do, which is education. So we’ve done a lot for the black community and we’ve done a lot for all communities. And it’s a great honor to have you folks with us and thank you very much. Did you have anything to say by the way? Fellas? [crosstalk 00:13:12] Please go ahead. Sonnie Johnson: (13:13)So my name is Sonnie Johnson. I’m the host of Sonnie’s Corner. I’m probably the most Trumpish out of everybody in this room. So you got to have to forgive me. The black community is not doing okay. Like I understand the perspective and the desire to put out this talking point, but it’s not, okay. And I can do it in a simplistic way of just saying, what are the first things you did when you first came into the presidency? The very first things you did was like remove regulation and taxation at high levels. Think about the black community that has been under democratic rule, progressive rule for 60 years. How many rules, how many regulations, how many different forms of taxation are on the books in those areas that are preventing our communities from actually being able to see sustainable growth that we can keep and get ourselves out of this trend of generational poverty. Sonnie Johnson: (14:06)We are not okay when it comes to things like education. Because we are not able to get quality choice into our communities because we don’t have any position or power on our school boards to be able to fight for those things and not just to get charters in, but to also bring some kind of reformation to the public school system as it stands too. So, yes, as well as criminal justice reform and a lot of other things, as well as health and things we could put down the list, all of these things have been under democratic control for 60 years. And they are not going to change until we have a Republican Party that is willing to go into these communities and actually offer a choice to these people about how we can do things differently. Sonnie Johnson: (14:48)Because the way it is structured now, the only choice that we get is left or either further left, and we’re not getting the opportunity to actually vote on what we look at as conservatism equally applied. The very basic economic principles that we on the right say are significant in our success and seeing the success in our country, those are not being offered at the local level in black communities. So basically we’re asking to grow out of concrete because we don’t have the fertile soil in these areas to make everything flourish and bloom the way my generation would like to see it. So I think the numbers and statistics about my generation are not going to be out for 20 years. You’re not going to see that we have started to change the dynamic within families. We have started to change the dynamic within marriage. We have started to change a lot of the negative dynamics that are still brought up in statistics today involving us. Sonnie Johnson: (15:44)Our generation is working on making sure those things change. And nobody looks at us and sees the power we have to be effective in making change this generation and not just waiting for the next layer of statistics to come out. So until we can actually get a honest dialogue on the right out into the ether, then you’re going to keep on having the fake news media spread lies because we aren’t there giving another choice as to how these things could be done. And it’s going to continue to go left if we aren’t there given an option to make it go right. And that’s like the biggest thing that we were having trouble with on the right is understanding how government works. We are a republic that means local government has the most power over citizens lives, as well as how to take that and put it into a cohesive message that can be spread to the black community that will already engage upon what we already know. Sonnie Johnson: (16:46)If we looked at like the photos of you before you became president and you were taking pictures with Snoop and you were taking pictures with all the icons of hip-hop. You did that, I think, and you can tell me if I’m wrong, but you did that because you saw a capitalist, you saw branders, you saw entrepreneurs, you saw people that were willing to take a chance and make things grow. That is us. That is the black community. And I would like to see a challenge from you to see how many in a black community can put their names on the side of a building coming out of this. If we’re really going to reshape and reform the way that we do this. Issue that challenge because that’s what we need more now than ever. And we need to be focused and centric on the black community, not into letting people come in and gentrify areas that are traditionally ours. Donald Trump: (17:37)And you don’t need closed police departments. Raynard Jackson: (17:40)No, no, we need the police. But if you take and look at what happened in Ferguson, because Ferguson is like where black lives matter really came out. I ain’t going to say it was born because people will fight about that. But if you go back and you look at Ferguson, the DOJ did a report on Ferguson. And what came out of that report was that the mayor’s office was using the police force as a taxation unit. So they were forcing interactions between police and the citizens, as a way for them to raise money and bring money into the mayor’s office. That was causing over policing. So it is not the fault of the police nor is the fault of the citizenry what the legislator and the executive branches of city government are putting into legislative practice. Donald Trump: (18:26)Very good, well stated. Wayne, what do you think? Good job? Wayne Dupree: (18:33)Very good job. Donald Trump: (18:33)Good job. Thank you, thank you, Sonnie, I appreciate it. Speaker 7: (18:35)It’s a great job. Donald Trump: (18:36)Fellas, go ahead. Speaker 7: (18:37)Well, she said a lot of it. I don’t know if I can say it any better than that. But just that a lot of these things are systemic. I think what we’ve done through your leadership is start to break down that system and fight back. Opportunity Zones, HBCUs, criminal justice reform. Those are reversing some systemic issues. And through your leadership now we’re looking at other layers of that because we just saw what COVID shined a spotlight on access to capital. It shined spotlight on health disparities. And then recently with the protest, how can we create better police and community relations? But one thing we’ve done over the last couple of weeks is listen to individuals. And now we have solutions and those are things we want to continue to work through as an administration, because it’s about results. And I think a lot of people are leaning on you because you’re result oriented. It’s not about just us talking here. It’s about what we’re going to produce out of this meeting. Wayne Dupree: (19:32)And you know what, that’s the thing. A lot of people that listen to the show, are calling on the show, they want to see those results. If you go into the black community and you tell people type of statistics, oh okay, yeah, great. But if you show a ground-moving, ground-shaking, things growing up from the bottom, those Opportunity Zones are more jobs than what they are right now. But if you start showing those things and a little friendly drive through, “Hey, President Trump here.” Believe me, there are many people that are on these online boards. And like I said, the call-ins and whatnot, they do support President Trump. They know what happened in the Obama administration. They know what you’re doing, but they also see what the media is doing to you. So don’t think that you are alone. It’s just that they need to hear more from you. Donald Trump: (20:33)I agree with that, that’s true. It’s the only way you get through the media because the media is almost 100% negative, it’s incredible. Sonnie Johnson: (20:40)That’s not the only thing that’s impeding the progress of the legislation that you put out. So let’s take Opportunity Zones. If the Opportunity Zones pass from a federal level, they then go down to the state and then are allocated on local level. So for us as black people to actually access the Opportunity Zones, I have to go talk to Democrats and I have to be willing to do what they want to do under their agenda, how they want it done for me to be able to have access to the Opportunity Zone funds. So that’s where, when you see in our communities, instead of getting young blacks to invest and become entrepreneurs and become owners, you’re getting gentrification. Because outside forces with more money and connections to these Democrats are able to come in and get this money a lot faster than the black people, that it was actually intended to help. Sonnie Johnson: (21:33)And so you’re seeing this changing of our community, where at no point in time are we allowed in the process to become a part of it and maybe be the innovators of what the future could look like. Because that is what you really have coming out of the black community, a desire to be an innovating force about what our communities look like in the future. Where we have been handed policy, or we have been handed government for so long and that even now have a population that says, we want to use the government as a Republic, localized government to reinvent what our communities look like. And yes, it will include police. It’ll include schools. It’ll include all of the necessity of civilization, but it’ll also include more investment ownership and entrepreneurship from the citizens in those communities. Ben Carson: (22:25)You’ll be happy to know that this administration has recognized that problem, the community development, financial institutions, the credit unions, the local banks have been excluded from a lot of the dissemination of the funds previously. That’s been recognized, in the process of being corrected right now. Sonnie Johnson: (22:45)You got to go a long way. Donald Trump: (22:45)Kareem. Kareem Lanier: (22:49)Mr. President, you’ve been nothing short of historic for black America. I don’t say that because I have to, because I can say whatever I want to say as a free citizen here in the U.S. You’ve been nothing short of historical. Criminal justice reform was historical. We were getting locked up at unprecedented rates. You undid the 1994 crime bill and we are forever thankful for that. Even the Opportunity Zones, we can be critical of a lot of things, but the Opportunity Zones incentivize the people that have money to put the money where we need it most, which are in these urban and rural neighborhoods. HBCUs, the whole bit. I could go down thing after thing. The current issue that we’re having right now is police reform, which is so much needed. We did criminal justice reform, but police reform is the gateway to what we see as an unjust criminal justice system sometimes. Meaning if a crooked cop doesn’t do a terrible corrupt thing with an individual, we never get into that bad system. Kareem Lanier: (23:50)This administration has been marked by a crooked cop like James Comey and others going after you and creating things that just were not there. The impeachment was … it’s not real, but they can do that. And our community has been affected by that in a way that it’s hard to explain. I tell people this all the time, this whole situation with this policing, it’s not new to black people. We’ve been used to it. As a kid I got harassed by the police all the time and I was a good … I think I was a good kid. But it’s a part of our community. And so we do need some things to happen on the police reform side, which will connect with the great things we’ve already done historically with criminal justice reform. Kareem Lanier: (24:36)And we know that you’re the president to get it done. We know that we need some banking reform so that we can get more access to capital. We do also understand that we need some holistic approaches to create this ecosystem. Voting rights, blacks have to go to get voting rights every 25 years or so now. These are things that are historic and we believe that you are the president to get these things done for the black community. You’ve done some great things for us already and we’re relying on you and we appreciate everything you’ve done, Mr. President. You’ve been amazing. Donald Trump: (25:05)Thank you very much. Kareem Lanier: (25:06)You’re welcome. Donald Trump: (25:09)That was beautiful. Well said. Your friend, right? Darrell Scott: (25:10)Yeah. Donald Trump: (25:11)He’s a good man too, for a long time we’ve known him. Okay, thank you all very much. We’ll see you tomorrow. We’ll see you tomorrow in Dallas. [Crosstalk 00:25:18] Donald Trump: (25:39)We’re going to a place called Dallas tomorrow. I think it’s going to be a great trip. We’re meeting some very good friends and then we’ll come back tomorrow night. We’re going on a Saturday as you know, to West Point. We’re giving the commencement address, which will be very exciting. The cadets wanted that very much. So we’re going to have them a little bit separated, a little social distancing, but we have the full class at West Point. And it was postponed because of the problem, was supposed to be a month ago and we’re going to do it and that’ll be on Saturday. So that’ll be very exciting. And I think a lot of you are going to be with us and we’re going to pay honor really to those incredible students and cadets. And they’re going to be the future military leaders of our country. Thank you all very much. [crosstalk 00:26:18]. Speaker 9: (26:29)When are you going to Tulsa, sir? [crosstalk 00:26:31] Donald Trump: (26:33)Friday night. Speaker 9: (26:34)Next week? Donald Trump: (26:35)Next week. Speaker 9: (26:36)Thank you. [crosstalk 00:26:37] Transcribe Your Own Content Try Rev and save time transcribing, captioning, and subtitling. Copyright Disclaimer Under Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. 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Sep 29, 2020 Full transcript of the first 2020 presidential debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. The debate was moderated by Chris Wallace of Fox News on September 29, 2020 in Cleveland, Ohio. Transcribe Your Own Content Try Rev and save time transcribing, captioning, and subtitling. Chris Wallace: (01:20)Good evening from the Health Education Campus of Case Western Reserve University and the Cleveland Clinic. I’m Chris Wallace of Fox News and I welcome you to the first of the 2020 Presidential Debates between President Donald J. Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden. This debate is sponsored by the Commission on Presidential debates. The Commission has designed the format, six roughly 15 minute segments with two minute answers from each candidate to the first question, then open discussion for the rest of each segment. Both campaigns have agreed to these rules. For the record, I decided the topics and the questions in each topic. I can assure you none of the questions has been shared with the Commission or the two candidates. Chris Wallace: (02:10)This debate is being conducted under health and safety protocols designed by the Cleveland Clinic, which is serving as the Health Security advisor to the Commission for all four debates. As a precaution, both campaigns have agreed the candidates will not shake hands at the beginning of tonight’s debate. The audience here in the hall has promised to remain silent. No cheers, no boos, or other interruptions so we, and more importantly you, can focus on what the candidates have to say. No noise except right now, as we welcome the Republican nominee, President Trump, and the Democratic nominee Vice President Biden. Vice President Joe Biden: (02:49)How you doing, man? President Donald J. Trump: (02:51)How are you doing? Vice President Joe Biden: (02:51)I’m well. Chris Wallace: (03:11)Gentlemen, a lot of people been waiting for this night, so let’s get going. Our first subject is the Supreme Court. President Trump, you nominated Amy Coney Barrett over the weekend to succeed the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the Court. You say the Constitution is clear about your obligation and the Senate’s to consider a nominee to the Court. Vice President Biden, you say that this is an effort by the President and Republicans to jam through on an appointment in what you call an abuse of power. My first question to both of you tonight, why are you right in the argument you make and your opponent wrong? And where do you think a Justice Barrett would take the court? President Trump, in this first segment, you go first. Two minutes. President Donald J. Trump: (04:01)Thank you very much, Chris. I will tell you very simply. We won the election. Elections have consequences. We have the Senate, we have the White House, and we have a phenomenal nominee respected by all. Top, top academic, good in every way. Good in every way. In fact, some of her biggest endorsers are very liberal people from Notre Dame and other places. So I think she’s going to be fantastic. We have plenty of time. Even if we did it after the election itself. I have a lot of time after the election, as you know. So I think that she will be outstanding. She’s going to be as good as anybody that has served on that court. We really feel that. We have a professor at Notre Dame, highly respected by all, said she’s the single greatest student he’s ever had. He’s been a professor for a long time at a great school. President Donald J. Trump: (04:53)And we won the election and therefore we have the right to choose her, and very few people knowingly would say otherwise. And by the way, the Democrats, they wouldn’t even think about not doing it. The only difference is they’d try and do it faster. There’s no way they would give it up. They had Merrick Garland, but the problem is they didn’t have the election so they were stopped. And probably that would happen in reverse, also. Definitely would happen in reverse. So we won the election and we have the right to do it, Chris. Chris Wallace: (05:22)President Trump, thank you. Same question to you, Vice President Biden. You have two minutes. Vice President Joe Biden: (05:29)Well, first of all, thank you for doing this and looking forward to this, Mr. President. President Donald J. Trump: (05:34)Thank you, Joe. Vice President Joe Biden: (05:36)The American people have a right to have a say in who the Supreme Court nominee is and that say occurs when they vote for United States Senators and when they vote for the President of United States. They’re not going to get that chance now because we’re in the middle of an election already. The election has already started. Tens of thousands of people already voted and so the thing that should happen is we should wait. We should wait and see what the outcome of this election is because that’s the only way the American people get to express their view is by who they elect as President and who they elect as Vice President. Vice President Joe Biden: (06:12)Now, what’s at stake here is the President’s made it clear, he wants to get rid of the Affordable Care Act. He’s been running on that, he ran on that and he’s been governing on that. He’s in the Supreme Court right now trying to get rid of the Affordable Care Act, which will strip 20 million people from having health insurance now, if it goes into court. And the justice, I’m not opposed to the justice, she seems like a very fine person. But she’s written, before she went in the bench, which is her right, that she thinks that the Affordable Care Act is not Constitutional. The other thing that’s on the court, and if it’s struck down, what happens? Women’s rights are fundamentally changed. Once again, a woman could pay more money because she has a pre-existing condition of pregnancy. They’re able to charge women more for the same exact procedure a man gets. Vice President Joe Biden: (07:08)And that ended when we, in fact, passed the Affordable Care Act, and there’s a hundred million people who have pre-existing conditions and they’ll be taken away as well. Those pre-existing conditions, insurance companies are going to love this. And so it’s just not appropriate to do this before this election. If he wins the election and the Senate is Republican, then he goes forward. If not, we should wait until February. President Donald J. Trump: (07:34)There aren’t a hundred million people with pre-existing conditions. As far as a say is concerned, the people already had their say. Okay, Justice Ginsburg said very powerfully, very strongly, at some point 10 years ago or so, she said a President and the Senate is elected for a period of time, but a President is elected for four years. We’re not elected for three years. I’m not elected for three years. So we have the Senate, we have a President- Vice President Joe Biden: (08:01)He’s elected to the next election. President Donald J. Trump: (08:02)During that period of time, during that period of time, we have an opening. I’m not elected for three years. I’m elected for four years. Joe, the hundred million people is totally wrong. I don’t know where you got that number. The bigger problem that you have is that you’re going to extinguish 180 million people with their private health care, that they’re very happy this. Vice President Joe Biden: (08:24)That’s simply not true. President Donald J. Trump: (08:25)Well, you’re certainly going to socialist. You’re going to socialist medicine- Chris Wallace: (08:29)Gentlemen, we’re now into open discussion. Vice President Joe Biden: (08:31)Open discussion. Chris Wallace: (08:32)Open discussion, yes, I agree. Go ahead, Vice President. Vice President Joe Biden: (08:33)Number one, he knows what I proposed. What I proposed is that we expand Obamacare and we increase it. We do not wipe any. And one of the big debates we had with 23 of my colleagues trying to win the nomination that I won, were saying that Biden wanted to allow people to have private insurance still. They can. They do. They will under my proposal. President Donald J. Trump: (08:58)That’s not what you’ve said and it’s not what your party is saying. Vice President Joe Biden: (09:00)That is simply a lie. President Donald J. Trump: (09:02)Your party doesn’t say it. Your party wants to go socialist medicine and socialist healthcare. Vice President Joe Biden: (09:05)The party is me. Right now, I am the Democratic Party. President Donald J. Trump: (09:08)And they’re going to dominate you, Joe. You know that. Vice President Joe Biden: (09:09)I am the Democratic Party right now. President Donald J. Trump: (09:11)Not according to Harris. Vice President Joe Biden: (09:12)The platform of the Democratic Party is what I, in fact, approved of, what I approved of. Now, here’s the deal. The deal is that it’s going to wipe out pre-existing conditions. And, by the way, the 20, the 200 mil- the 200,000 people that have died on his watch, how many of those have survived? Well, there’s seven million people that contracted COVID. What does it mean for them going forward if you strike down the Affordable Care Act? President Donald J. Trump: (09:39)Joe, you’ve had 308,000 military people dying because you couldn’t provide them proper healthcare in the military. So don’t tell me about this. Vice President Joe Biden: (09:47)I’m happy to talk about this. President Donald J. Trump: (09:48)And if you were here, it wouldn’t be 200, it would be two million people because you were very late on the draw. You didn’t want me to ban China, which was heavily infected. You didn’t want me to ban Europe. Chris Wallace: (09:58)All right, gentlemen, Mr. President. President Donald J. Trump: (10:00)You would have been much later, Joe, much later. Chris Wallace: (10:04)Mr. President. President Donald J. Trump: (10:04)We’re talking about two million people. Vice President Joe Biden: (10:05)You’re not going to be able to shut him up. Chris Wallace: (10:06)Mr. President, as the moderator, we are going to talk about COVID in the next segment. But go ahead. Vice President Joe Biden: (10:11)Let me finish. The point is that the President also is opposed to Roe V. Wade. That’s on the ballot as well and the court, in the court, and so that’s also at stake right now. And so the election is all- President Donald J. Trump: (10:25)You don’t know what’s on the ballot. Why is it on the ballot? Why is it on the ballot? It’s not on the ballot. Vice President Joe Biden: (10:31)It’s on the ballot in the court. President Donald J. Trump: (10:32)I don’t think so. Vice President Joe Biden: (10:33)In the court. President Donald J. Trump: (10:34)There’s nothing happening there. Vice President Joe Biden: (10:35)Donald would you just be quiet for a minute. President Donald J. Trump: (10:36)You don’t know her view on Roe V. Wade? You don’t know here view. Chris Wallace: (10:40)Well, all right. All right. Let’s talk. We’ve got a lot to unpack here, gentlemen. We’ve got a lot of time. On healthcare, and then we’ll come back to Roe V. Wade. Vice President Joe Biden: (10:51)All right. Chris Wallace: (10:51)Mr. President, the Supreme Court will hear a case a week after the election in which the Trump Administration, along with 18 state Attorney Generals are seeking to overturn Obamacare, to end Obamacare. President Donald J. Trump: (11:05)That’s right. Chris Wallace: (11:05)You have spent the last week- President Donald J. Trump: (11:07)Because they want to give good healthcare. Chris Wallace: (11:08)If I may ask my question, sir. Vice President Joe Biden: (11:11)Good healthcare. Chris Wallace: (11:11)Over the last four years, you have promised to repeal and replace Obamacare, but you have never in these four years come up with a plan, a comprehensive plan, to replace Obamacare. President Donald J. Trump: (11:25)Yes, I have. Of course, I have. The individual mandate. Chris Wallace: (11:26)[crosstalk 00:11:26] when I finish I’m going to give an opportunity- President Donald J. Trump: (11:28)Excuse me. I got rid of the individual mandate, which was a big chunk of Obamacare. Chris Wallace: (11:31)That’s not a comprehensive place. President Donald J. Trump: (11:32)That is absolutely a big thing. That was the worst part of Obamacare. Chris Wallace: (11:35)I didn’t ask, sir. President Donald J. Trump: (11:36)Chris, that was the worst part of Obamacare. Chris Wallace: (11:38)You’re debating him not me. Let me ask my question. President Donald J. Trump: (11:38)Well, I’ll ask Joe. The individual mandate was the most unpopular aspect of Obamacare. Chris Wallace: (11:44)Mr. President. President Donald J. Trump: (11:44)I got rid of it. And we will protect people. Chris Wallace: (11:46)Mr. President, I’m the moderator of this debate and I would like you to let me ask my question and then you can answer. President Donald J. Trump: (11:52)Go ahead. Chris Wallace: (11:53)You, in the course of these four years, have never come up with a comprehensive plan to replace Obamacare, and just this last Thursday you signed a largely symbolic Executive Order to protect people with pre-existing conditions five days before this debate. So my question, sir, is what is the Trump healthcare plan? President Donald J. Trump: (12:16)Well, first of all, I guess I’m debating you, not him, but that’s okay. I’m not surprised. Let me just tell you something. There’s nothing symbolic. I’m cutting drug prices. I’m going with Favored Nations, which no President has the courage to do because you’re going against big pharma. Drug prices will be coming down 80 or 90%. You could have done it during your 47 year period in government, but you didn’t do it. Nobody’s done it. So we’re cutting healthcare. Chris Wallace: (12:40)What about pre-existing conditions? President Donald J. Trump: (12:40)All of the things that we’ve done. Vice President Joe Biden: (12:41)He has not done healthcare. President Donald J. Trump: (12:42)I’ll give you an example. Insulin, it was destroying families, destroying people, the cost. I’m getting it for so cheap it’s like water, you want to know the truth. So cheap. Take a look at all of the drugs that what we’re doing. Prescription drug prices, we’re going to allow our Governors now to go to other countries to buy drugs because when they paid just a tiny fraction of what we do. Chris Wallace: (13:03)Okay, like I say, this is open discussion. President Donald J. Trump: (13:04)This is big stuff. Chris Wallace: (13:06)Sir, you’ll be happy. I’m about to pick up on one of your points to ask the Vice President, which is, he points out that you would like to add a public option to Obamacare. Vice President Joe Biden: (13:17)Yes. Chris Wallace: (13:17)And the argument that he makes and other Republicans make is that that is going to end private insurance. Vice President Joe Biden: (13:23)It is not. Chris Wallace: (13:25)If I start asking the question. President Donald J. Trump: (13:26)That’s not what your party says, by the way. Chris Wallace: (13:29)And it will end private insurance and create a government takeover of health. Vice President Joe Biden: (13:32)It does not. It’s only for those people who are so poor they qualify for Medicaid they can get that free in most States, except Governors who want to deny people who are poor Medicaid. Anyone who qualifies for Medicare, excuse me, Medicaid would automatically be enrolled in the public option. The vast majority of the American people would still not be in that option. Number one. Number two. President Donald J. Trump: (13:57)Joe, you agreed with Bernie Sanders, who’s far left, on the manifesto, we call it. And that gives you socialized medicine. Vice President Joe Biden: (14:04)Look, hey. President Donald J. Trump: (14:05)Are you saying you didn’t agree? Vice President Joe Biden: (14:06)I’m not going to listen to him. The fact of the matter is I beat Bernie Sanders. President Donald J. Trump: (14:10)Not by much. Vice President Joe Biden: (14:10)I beat him by a whole hell of a lot. President Donald J. Trump: (14:12)Not by much. Vice President Joe Biden: (14:12)I’m here standing facing you, old buddy. President Donald J. Trump: (14:14)If Pocahontas would have left two days early you would have lost every primary. Vice President Joe Biden: (14:17)All he knows how to do- President Donald J. Trump: (14:18)On Super Tuesday, you got very lucky. Vice President Joe Biden: (14:21)Look he’s the deal. I got very lucky. I’m going to get very lucky tonight as well. President Donald J. Trump: (14:23)With what? Vice President Joe Biden: (14:23)And tonight I’m going to make sure. President Donald J. Trump: (14:25)With what? Vice President Joe Biden: (14:25)Because here’s the deal, here’s the deal. The fact is that everything he’s saying so far is simply a lie. I’m not here to call out his lies. Everybody knows he’s a liar. President Donald J. Trump: (14:34)But you agree. Joe, you’re the liar. You graduated last in your class not first in your class. Vice President Joe Biden: (14:41)God, I want to make sure- Chris Wallace: (14:43)Mr. President, can you let him finish, sir? Vice President Joe Biden: (14:44)No, he doesn’t know how to do that. President Donald J. Trump: (14:46)You’d be surprised. You’d be surprised. Go ahead, Joe. Vice President Joe Biden: (14:47)The wrong guy, the wrong night, at the wrong time. President Donald J. Trump: (14:51)Listen, you agreed with Bernie Sanders and the manifesto. Vice President Joe Biden: (14:55)There is no manifesto, number one. Chris Wallace: (14:57)Please let him speak, Mr. President. Vice President Joe Biden: (14:58)Number two. President Donald J. Trump: (14:58)He just lost the left. Vice President Joe Biden: (14:59)Number two. President Donald J. Trump: (15:01)You just lost the left. You agreed with Bernie Sanders on a plan that you absolutely agreed to and under that plan [crosstalk 00:15:10], they call it socialized medicine. Chris Wallace: (15:13)Mr. President. Vice President Joe Biden: (15:14)I’ll tell you what, he is not for any help for people needing healthcare. President Donald J. Trump: (15:20)Who is, Bernie? Vice President Joe Biden: (15:21)Because he, in fact, already has costs 10 million people their healthcare that they had from their employers because of his recession. Number one. Number two, there are 20 million people getting healthcare through Obamacare now that he wants to take it away. He won’t ever look you in the eye and say that’s what he wants to do. Take it away. President Donald J. Trump: (15:41)No, I want to give them better healthcare at a much lower price, because Obamacare is no good. Vice President Joe Biden: (15:45)He doesn’t know how. He doesn’t know how to do that. President Donald J. Trump: (15:46)I’ve already fixed it. Vice President Joe Biden: (15:47)He has never offered a plan. President Donald J. Trump: (15:49)We’ve already fixed it to an extent. Obamacare, as you might know but probably don’t, Obamacare is no good. Chris Wallace: (15:54)Gentlemen, you realize if you’re both speaking at the same time. Let the President. Go ahead, sir. President Donald J. Trump: (15:59)Obamacare is no good. We made it better and I had a choice to make very early on. We took away the individual mandate. We guaranteed pre-existing conditions, but took away the individual mandate. Listen, this is the way it is. And that destroyed … They shouldn’t even call it Obamacare, then I had a choice to make, do I let my people run it really well or badly? If I run it badly, they’ll probably blame him, but they’ll blame me. But more importantly, I want to help people. Okay. I said, “You’ve got to run it so well.” And I just had a meeting with them. They said the problem is, no matter how well you run Obamacare, it’s a disaster. It’s too expensive. Premiums are too high, that it doesn’t work. So we do want to get rid of it. Chris, we want to get rid of that and give something that’s cheaper and better. Chris Wallace: (16:42)I understand that, sir. But I have to give you roughly equal time. President Donald J. Trump: (16:45)Go ahead. Chris Wallace: (16:45)Please let the Vice President talk, sir. President Donald J. Trump: (16:47)Good. Vice President Joe Biden: (16:48)He has no plan for healthcare. President Donald J. Trump: (16:50)Of course, we do. Chris Wallace: (16:52)Please. Vice President Joe Biden: (16:52)He sends out wishful thinking. He has Executive Orders that have no power. He hasn’t lowered drug costs for anybody. He’s been promising a healthcare plan since he got elected. He has none, like almost everything else he talks about. He does not have a plan. He doesn’t have a plan. And the fact is this man doesn’t know what he’s talking about. [crosstalk 00:17:14]. Chris Wallace: (17:13)All right, I have one final question for you. Vice President Joe Biden: (17:15)Sure. Chris Wallace: (17:16)Mr. Vice President, if Senate Republicans, we were talking originally about the Supreme Court here, if Senate Republicans go ahead and confirm Justice Barrett there has been talk about ending the filibuster or even packing the court, adding to the nine justices there. You call this a distraction by the President. But, in fact, it wasn’t brought up by the President. It was brought up by some of your Democratic colleagues in the Congress. So my question to you is, you have refused in the past to talk about it, are you willing to tell the American tonight whether or not you will support either ending the filibuster or packing the court? Vice President Joe Biden: (17:55)Whatever position I take on that, that’ll become the issue. The issue is the American people should speak. You should go out and vote. You’re voting now. Vote and let your Senators know strongly how you feel. President Donald J. Trump: (18:05)Are you going to pack the court? Vice President Joe Biden: (18:07)Vote now. President Donald J. Trump: (18:08)Are you going to pack the court? Vice President Joe Biden: (18:09)Make sure you, in fact, let people know, your Senators. President Donald J. Trump: (18:12)He doesn’t want to answer the question. Vice President Joe Biden: (18:17)I’m not going to answer the question. President Donald J. Trump: (18:18)Why wouldn’t you answer that question? You want to put a lot of new Supreme Court Justices. Radical left. Vice President Joe Biden: (18:18)Will you shut up, man? President Donald J. Trump: (18:20)Listen, who is on your list, Joe? Who’s on your list? Chris Wallace: (18:23)Gentlemen, I think we’ve ended this- Vice President Joe Biden: (18:25)This is so un-Presidential. President Donald J. Trump: (18:25)He’s going to pack the court. He is not going to give a list. Chris Wallace: (18:27)We have ended the segment. We’re going to move on to the second segment. Vice President Joe Biden: (18:30)That was really a productive segment, wasn’t it? Keep yapping, man. President Donald J. Trump: (18:35)The people understand, Joe. Vice President Joe Biden: (18:37)They sure do. President Donald J. Trump: (18:37)47 years, you’ve done nothing. They’re understand. Chris Wallace: (18:40)All right, the second subject is COVID-19, which is an awfully serious subject. So let’s try to be serious about it. We have had more than seven million cases of coronavirus in the United States and more than 200,000 people have died. Even after we produce a vaccine, experts say that it could be months or even years before we come back to anything approaching normal. My question for both of you is, based on what you have said and done so far, and what you have said you would do starting in 2021, why should the American people trust you more than your opponent to deal with this public health crisis going forward? In this case, the question goes to you first, sir. Two minutes, uninterrupted. Vice President Joe Biden: (19:33)Good luck. 200,000 dead. As you said, over seven million infected in the United States. We, in fact, have 4% of the world’s population, 20% of the deaths. 40,000 people a day are contracting COVID. In addition to that, about between 750 and 1000 people a day are dying. When he was presented with that number, he said, “It is what it is.” Well, it is what it is because you are who you are. That’s why it is. The President has no plan. He hasn’t laid out anything. He knew all the way back in February how serious this crisis was. He knew it was a deadly disease. What did he do? He’s on tape as acknowledging he knew it. He said he didn’t tell us or give people a warning of it because he didn’t want to panic the American people. You don’t panic. He panicked. In addition to that, what did he do? Vice President Joe Biden: (20:30)He went in and we were insisting that the people we had in the ground in China should be able to go to Wuhan and determine for themselves how dangerous this was. He did not even ask Xi to do that. President Donald J. Trump: (20:43)Wrong. Vice President Joe Biden: (20:43)He told us what a great job Xi was doing. He said we owe him debt of gratitude for being so transparent with us. And what did he do then? He then did nothing. He waited and waited and waited. He still doesn’t have a plan. President Donald J. Trump: (20:57)Wrong. Chris Wallace: (20:57)Sir, it’s his two minutes. President Donald J. Trump: (20:57)It’s so wrong. Vice President Joe Biden: (20:57)I laid out back in March, exactly what we should be doing. And I laid out again in July, what we should be doing. We should be providing all the protective gear possible. We should be providing the money the House has passed in order to be able to go out and get people the help they need to keep their businesses open. Open schools cost a lot of money. You should get out of your bunker and get out of the sand trap in your golf course and go in the Oval Office and bring together the Democrats and Republicans and fund what needs to be done now to save lives. President Donald J. Trump: (21:30)So, if we would have listened to you. Chris Wallace: (21:31)Wait, wait. You have two minutes, sir. President Donald J. Trump: (21:31)If we would’ve listened to you, the country would have been left wide open, millions of people would have died, not 200,000. And one person is too much. It’s China’s fault. It should have never happened. They stopped it from going in, but it was China’s fault. And, by the way, when you talk about numbers, you don’t know how many people died in China. You don’t know how many people died in Russia. You don’t know how many people died in India. They don’t exactly give you a straight count, just so you understand. But if you look at what we’ve done, I closed it and you said, “He’s xenophobic. He’s a racist and he’s xenophobic,” because you didn’t think I should have closed our country. Wait a minute. Chris Wallace: (22:06)Sir, it’s his two minutes. President Donald J. Trump: (22:07)You didn’t think we should have closed our country because you thought it was terrible. You wouldn’t have closed it for another two months. By my doing it early, in fact, Dr. Fauci said, “President Trump saved thousands of lives.” Many of your Democrat Governors said, “President Trump did a phenomenal job.” We worked with the Governor. Oh really, go take a look. The Governors said I did a phenomenal job. Most of them said that. In fact, people that would not be necessarily on my side said that, “President Trump did a phenomenal job.” We did. We got the gowns. We got the masks. We made the ventilators. You wouldn’t have made ventilators. And now we’re weeks away from a vaccine. We’re doing therapeutics already. Fewer people are dying when they get sick. Far fewer people are dying. We’ve done a great job. President Donald J. Trump: (22:54)The only thing I haven’t done a good job, and that’s because of the fake news, no matter what you say to them, they give you a bad press on it. It’s just fake news. They give you good press, they give me bad press because that’s the way it is, unfortunately. But let me just say something. I don’t care. I’ve gotten used to it. But I’ll tell you, Joe, you could never have done the job that we did. You don’t have it in your blood. You could’ve never done that, Joe. Vice President Joe Biden: (23:15)I know how to do the job. I know how to get the job done. President Donald J. Trump: (23:18)Well, you didn’t do very well in Swine Flu. H1-N1, you were a disaster. Your own Chief of Staff said you were a disaster. Vice President Joe Biden: (23:25)14,000 people died, not 200,000. President Donald J. Trump: (23:27)A far less lethal disease, by the way. Chris Wallace: (23:32)Sir, you made a point. Let him answer it. Vice President Joe Biden: (23:33)And there was no one … We didn’t shut down the economy. This is his economy he shut down. The reason it’s shut down is because, look, you folks at home. How many of you got up this morning and had an empty chair at the kitchen table because someone died of COVID? How many of you are in a situation where you lost your mom or dad and you couldn’t even speak to them, you had a nurse holding a phone up so you could in fact say goodbye? President Donald J. Trump: (23:57)We would have lost far more people, far more people. You would have been months late. You’re months behind me, Joe. Vice President Joe Biden: (24:03)His own CDC Director says we could lose as many as another 200,000 people between now and the end of the year. And he said, if we just wear a mask, we can save half those numbers. Just a mask. And by the way, in terms of the whole notion of a vaccine, we’re for a vaccine, but I don’t trust him at all. Nor do you. I know you don’t. What we trust is a scientist. President Donald J. Trump: (24:25)You don’t trust Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer? Chris Wallace:Okay, gentlemen, gentlemen. Let me move on to questions about the future because you both have touched on two of the questions I’m going to ask. Focusing on the future first, President Trump, you have repeatedly either contradicted or been at odds with some of your governments own top scientists. The week before last, the Head of the Centers for Disease Control, Dr. Redfield said it would be summer before the vaccine would become generally available to the public. You said that he was confused and mistaken. Those were your two words. But Dr. Slaoui, the head of your Operation Warp Speed, has said exactly the same thing. Are they both wrong? President Donald J. Trump: (00:15)Well, I’ve spoken to the companies and we can have it a lot sooner. It’s a very political thing because people like this would rather make it political than save lives. Vice President Joe Biden: (00:22)God. President Donald J. Trump: (00:23)It is a very political thing. I’ve spoken to Pfizer, I’ve spoken to all of the people that you have to speak to, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, and others. They can go faster than that by a lot. It’s become very political because the left… Or I don’t know if I call them left, I don’t know what I call them. Chris Wallace: (00:38)So you’re suggesting that the head of your Operation Warp Speed, Dr. Slaoui- President Donald J. Trump: (00:42)I disagree with him. No, I disagree with both of them. And he didn’t say that. He said it could be there, but it could also be much sooner. I had him in my office two days ago. Chris Wallace: (00:49)He talked about the summer, sir, before it’s generally available, just like Dr. Redfield. President Donald J. Trump: (00:53)Because he said it’s a possibility that we’ll have the answer before November 1st. It could also be after that. Chris Wallace: (00:59)I’m talking about when it’s generally available, not- President Donald J. Trump: (01:00)Well, we’re going to deliver it right away. We have the military all set up. Logistically, they’re all set up. We have our military that delivers soldiers and they can do 200,000 a day. They’re going to be delivering- Vice President Joe Biden: (01:11)This is the same man who told you- President Donald J. Trump: (01:13)It’s all set up. Vice President Joe Biden: (01:14)… by Easter, this would be gone away. By the warm weather, it’d be gone. Miraculous, like a miracle. And by the way, maybe you could inject some bleach in your arm, and that would take care of it. This is the same man. President Donald J. Trump: (01:24)That was said sarcastically, and you know that. That was said sarcastically. Vice President Joe Biden: (01:28)So here’s the deal. This man is talking about a vaccine. Every serious company is talking about maybe having a vaccine done by the end of the year, but the distribution of that vaccine will not occur until sometime beginning of the middle of next year to get it out, if we get the vaccine. And pray God we will. Pray God we will. Chris Wallace: (01:49)Mr. Vice President, I want to pick up- President Donald J. Trump: (01:50)You’ll have the vaccine sooner than that. Chris Wallace: (01:51)I want to pick up on this question though. You say the public can trust the scientists, but they can’t trust President Trump. In fact, you said that again tonight. Your running mate, Senator Harris, goes further, saying that public health experts quote, “Will be muzzled, will be suppressed.” Given the fact that polls already show that people are concerned about the vaccine and are reluctant to take it, are you and your running mate, Senator Harris, contributing to that fear? Vice President Joe Biden: (02:18)No more than the question you just asked him. You pointed out he puts pressure and disagrees with his own scientists. Chris Wallace: (02:25)But you’re saying you can’t- Vice President Joe Biden: (02:26)Everybody knows- Chris Wallace: (02:26)Or Senator Harris is saying you can’t trust the scientist. Vice President Joe Biden: (02:28)Well, no, no. You can trust the scientist. She didn’t say that. You can trust the- Chris Wallace: (02:32)She said that public health experts quote, “Will be muzzled, will be suppressed.” Vice President Joe Biden: (02:36)Yes. Well, that’s what he’s going to try to do, but there’s thousands of scientists out there, like here at this great hospital that don’t work for him. Their job doesn’t depend on him. They’re the people… And by the way- President Donald J. Trump: (02:51)We spoke to the scientists that are in charge- Vice President Joe Biden: (02:53)By the way- President Donald J. Trump: (02:53)… they will have the vaccine very soon. Chris Wallace: (02:55)Let him finish. Vice President Joe Biden: (02:55)Do you believe for a moment what he’s telling you in light of all the lies he’s told you about the whole issue relating to COVID? He still hasn’t even acknowledged that he knew this was happening, knew how dangerous it was going to be back in February, and he didn’t even tell you. He’s on record as saying it. He panicked or he just looked at the stock market. One of the two. Because guess what? A lot of people died and a lot more are going to die unless he gets a lot smarter, a lot quicker- Chris Wallace: (03:27)Mr. President? President Donald J. Trump: (03:28)Did you use the word smart? So you said you went to Delaware State, but you forgot the name of your college. You didn’t go to Delaware State. You graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class. Don’t ever use the word smart with me. Don’t ever use that word. Vice President Joe Biden: (03:44)Oh, give me a break. President Donald J. Trump: (03:44)Because you know what? There’s nothing smart about you, Joe. 47 years you’ve done nothing. Vice President Joe Biden: (03:49)Well, let’s have this debate- President Donald J. Trump: (03:51)Let me just tell you something, Joe. If you would have had the charge of what I was put through, I had to close the greatest economy of the history of our country. And by the way, now it’s being built again and it’s going up fast. Chris Wallace: (04:02)We’ll get to the economy in the next segment, sir. President Donald J. Trump: (04:04)Okay. It’s going up fast. I look forward to talking about it. Chris Wallace: (04:06)Okay. When it comes to how the virus has been handled so far, the two of you have taken very different approaches, and this is going to affect how the virus is handled going forward by whichever of you ends up becoming the next president. I want to quickly go through several of those. Reopenings. Vice President Biden, you have been much more reluctant than President Trump about reopening the economy and schools. Why, sir? Vice President Joe Biden: (04:31)Because he doesn’t have a plan. If I were running it, I’d know what the plan is. You’ve got to provide these businesses the ability to have the money to be able to reopen with the PPE, as well as with the sanitation they need. You have to provide them classic- President Donald J. Trump: (04:45)Tell that to Nancy Pelosi. Vice President Joe Biden: (04:47)Will he just shush for a minute? President Donald J. Trump: (04:49)Tell that to Nancy Pelosi, and Schumer [crosstalk 00:04:52] Chuck. Vice President Joe Biden: (04:52)Nancy Pelosi and Schumer, they have a plan. He won’t even meet with them. The Republicans won’t meet in the Senate. He sits in his golf course. Well, I mean, literally, think about it. Think about it. President Donald J. Trump: (05:04)You probably play more than I do, Joe. Chris Wallace: (05:06)What about this question of reopenings and the fact- President Donald J. Trump: (05:08)Well, he wants to shut down this country and I want to keep it open, and we did a great thing by shutting it down- Vice President Joe Biden: (05:15)You just admitted you’d shut it down. President Donald J. Trump: (05:15)Wait a minute, Joe. Let me shut you down for a second, Joe, just for one second. He wants to shut down the country. We just went through it. We had to, because we didn’t know anything about the disease. Now we’ve found that elderly people with heart problems and diabetes and different problems are very, very vulnerable. We learned a lot. Young children aren’t, even younger people aren’t. We’ve learned a lot, but he wants to shut it down. More people will be hurt by continuing. If you look at Pennsylvania, if you look at certain states that have been shut down, they have Democrat governors, all, one of the reasons they shut down is because they want to keep it shut down until after the election on November 3rd. Chris Wallace: (05:54)All right. I want to move onto another- President Donald J. Trump: (05:55)Because it’s a political thing. Chris Wallace: (05:55)I want to move onto another subject. Vice President Joe Biden: (05:55)I got to respond to that. Chris Wallace: (05:55)I want to move- President Donald J. Trump: (05:57)But those states- Chris Wallace: (05:58)Gentlemen, I want to move onto another subject. President Donald J. Trump: (06:00)Those states are not doing well that are shut down right now. Vice President Joe Biden: (06:02)I got to respond to that. President Donald J. Trump: (06:04)He wants to shut down the whole country. Chris Wallace: (06:04)President Trump, you have begun to increasingly question the effectiveness of masks as a disease preventer. And in fact, recently you have cited the issue of waiters touching their masks and touching plates. Are you questioning the efficacy of masks? President Donald J. Trump: (06:20)No, I think masks are okay. You have to understand, if you look… I mean, I have a mask right here. I put a mask on when I think I need it. Tonight, as an example, everybody’s had a test and you’ve had social distancing and all of the things that you have to, but I wear masks- Vice President Joe Biden: (06:33)Just like your rally. President Donald J. Trump: (06:33)… when needed. When needed, I wear masks. Chris Wallace: (06:35)Okay. Let me ask- President Donald J. Trump: (06:36)I don’t wear a mask like him. Every time you see him, he’s got a mask. He could be speaking 200 feet away from him and he shows up with the biggest mask I’ve ever seen. I will say this- Chris Wallace: (06:45)Vice President Biden, go ahead, sir. Vice President Joe Biden: (06:48)Look, the way to open businesses is give them the wherewithal to be able open. We provided money, the- Chris Wallace: (06:55)But I was asking you, sir, about masks. Vice President Joe Biden: (06:56)Well, masks make a big difference. His own head of the CDC said if we just wore masks between now, if everybody wore a mask and social distanced between now and January, we’d probably save up to 100,000 lives. It matters. It matters. President Donald J. Trump: (07:10)And they’ve also said the opposite. They’ve also said- Vice President Joe Biden: (07:12)No serious person has said the opposite. No serious person. Chris Wallace: (07:14)Okay. I want to ask you- President Donald J. Trump: (07:17)Dr. Fauci. Dr. Fauci said the opposite. Vice President Joe Biden: (07:18)He did not say the opposite. Chris Wallace: (07:19)I want to ask you, we’ve got a little than a minute left in this segment. President Donald J. Trump: (07:22)He said very strongly, “Masks are not good.” Then he changed his mind. He said, “Masks are good.” Chris Wallace: (07:25)I want to ask- President Donald J. Trump: (07:25)I’m okay with masks. I’m not fighting masks. Chris Wallace: (07:27)I want to ask you both about one last subject because your different approaches has even affected the way that you have campaigned. President Trump, you’re holding large rallies with crowds packed together, thousands of people. President Donald J. Trump: (07:38)Outside. Chris Wallace: (07:39)Outside. Yes, sir. Agreed. Vice President Biden, you are holding much smaller events with- President Donald J. Trump: (07:46)Because nobody will show up. Chris Wallace: (07:47)… people with masks. President Donald J. Trump: (07:47)Well, it’s true. Nobody shows up to his rallies. Chris Wallace: (07:50)All right. In any case, why you holding the big rallies? Why you not? You go first, sir. President Donald J. Trump: (07:56)Because people want to hear what I have to say. I mean- Chris Wallace: (07:59)But are not worried about us spreading disease? President Donald J. Trump: (08:01)… I’m doing my job as a president, and I’ll have 25, 35,000 people show up at airports. We use airports and hangers and we have a lot of people- Chris Wallace: (08:06)Are you not worried about the disease issues, sir? President Donald J. Trump: (08:08)Well, so far we have had no problem whatsoever. It’s outside. That’s a big difference according to the experts. We do them outside, we have tremendous crowds, as you see, and literally on 24 hours notice. And Joe does the circles and has three people someplace. Vice President Joe Biden: (08:26)By the way, did you see one of the last big rallies he had? A reporter came up to him to ask him a question, he said, “No, no, no. Stand back, put on your mask, put on a mask. Have you been tested? I’m way far away from those other people.” That’s what he said, “I’m going to be okay.” He’s not worried about you. He’s not worried about the people out there [crosstalk 00:08:48]. President Donald J. Trump: (08:48)We’ve had no negative effect. Vice President Joe Biden: (08:49)No negative effect. Come on. President Donald J. Trump: (08:51)We’ve had no negative effect, and we’ve had 35, 40,000 people at these rallies. Chris Wallace: (08:55)All right. Do you want to just quickly finish up? Because I want to move on to our next- Vice President Joe Biden: (08:57)Yes, I would. He’s been totally irresponsible the way in which he has handled the social distancing and people wearing masks, basically encouraged them not to. He’s a fool on this. President Donald J. Trump: (09:08)If you could get the crowds, you would have done the same thing. But you can’t. Nobody cares. Chris Wallace: (09:12)Gentlemen, can we move on to the- President Donald J. Trump: (09:13)No cares. Chris Wallace: (09:13)Gentlemen, can we move on to the economy? President Donald J. Trump: (09:15)Yes. Chris Wallace: (09:15)The economy is, I think it’s fair to say, recovering faster than expected from the shutdown- President Donald J. Trump: (09:22)Much faster. Chris Wallace: (09:22)… in the second quarter. The unemployment rate fell to 8.4% last month. The Federal Reserve says the hit to growth, which is going to be there, is not going to be nearly as big as they had expected. President Trump, you say we are in a V-shaped recovery. Vice President Biden, you say it’s more of a K-shape. What difference does that mean to the American people in terms of the economy? President Trump, in this segment you go first. President Donald J. Trump: (09:52)So we built the greatest economy in history. We closed it down because of the China plague. When the plague came in, we closed it down, which was very hard psychologically to do. He didn’t think we should close it down and he was wrong. Again, two million people would be dead now instead of… Still, 204,000 people is too much. One person is too much. Should have never happened from China. But what happened is we closed it down and now we’re reopening and we’re doing record business. We had 10.4 million people in a four month period that we’ve put back into the workforce. That’s a record the likes of which nobody’s ever seen before. And he wants to close down the… He will shut it down again. He will destroy this country. President Donald J. Trump: (10:31)A lot of people, between drugs and alcohol and depression, when you start shutting it down, you take a look at what’s happening at some of your Democrat-run states where they have these tough shutdowns. And I’m telling you it’s because they don’t want to open it. One of them came out last week, you saw that, “Oh, we’re going to open up on November 9th.” Why November 9th? Because it’s after the election. They think they’re hurting us by keeping them closed. They’re hurting people. People know what to do. They can social distance. They can wash their hands, they can wear masks. They can do whatever they want, but they got to open these states up. President Donald J. Trump: (11:04)When you look at North Carolina, when you look, and these governors are under siege, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and a couple of others, you got to open these states up. It’s not fair. You’re talking about almost it’s like being in prison. And you look at what’s going on with divorce, look at what’s going on with alcoholism and drugs. It’s a very, very sad thing. And he’ll close down the whole country. This guy will close down the whole country and destroy our country. Our country is coming back incredibly well, setting records as it does it. We don’t need somebody to come in and say, “Let’s shut it down.” Chris Wallace: (11:36)All right. Your two minutes, sir. We’re now moved to you. As I said, posing the question, the president says it’s a V-shape recovery, you say it’s a K-shaped recovery. What’s the difference? Vice President Joe Biden: (11:48)The difference is millionaires and billionaires like him in the middle of the COVID crisis have done very well. Billionaires have made another $300 billion because of his profligate tax proposal, and he only focused on the market. But you folks at home, you folks living in Scranton and Claymont and all the small towns and working class towns in America, how well are you doing? This guy paid a total of $750 in taxes. President Donald J. Trump: (12:17)That’s wrong. Chris Wallace: (12:18)Sir, wait. No. Sir- President Donald J. Trump: (12:18)[crosstalk 00:12:19]. Chris Wallace: (12:20)Yeah, I understand. You’ve agreed to the two minutes, so please let him have it. Vice President Joe Biden: (12:23)Do I get my time back? The fact is that he has in fact, worked on this in a way that he’s going to be the first president of the United States to leave office, having fewer jobs in his administration than when he became president. Fewer jobs than when he became president. First one in American history. Vice President Joe Biden: (12:40)Secondly, the people who have lost their jobs are those people who have been on the front lines. Those people who have been saving our lives, those people who have been out there dying. People who’ve been putting themselves in the way to make sure that we could all try to make it. And the idea that he is insisting that we go forward and open when you have almost half the states in America with a significant increase in COVID deaths and COVID cases in the United States of America, and he wants to open it up more. Why is he want to open it up? Why does he take care of the… You can’t fix the economy until you fix the COVID crisis. And he has no intention of doing anything about making it better for you all at home in terms of your health and your safety. Vice President Joe Biden: (13:25)Schools. Why aren’t schools open? Because it costs a lot of money to open them safely. They were going to give, his administration going to give the teachers and school students masks, and then they decided no, couldn’t do that because it’s not a national emergency. Not a national emergency. They’ve done nothing to help small businesses. Nothing. They’re closing. One in six is now gone. He ought to get on the job and take care of the needs of the American people so we can open safely. Chris Wallace: (13:54)All right. Your time is up, sir. We are going to get to- President Donald J. Trump: (13:56)I have to respond to that. Chris Wallace: (13:57)Well, you both had two minutes, sir. President Donald J. Trump: (13:59)Excuse me, he made a statement. Chris Wallace: (14:01)And so did you. President Donald J. Trump: (14:03)No, people want their schools open. They don’t want to be shut down. They don’t want their state shut down. They want their restaurants. I look at New York. It’s so sad what’s happening in New York. It’s almost like a ghost town, and I’m not sure it can ever recover what they’ve done to New York. People want their places open. They want to get back to their lives. Vice President Joe Biden: (14:19)People want to be safe. President Donald J. Trump: (14:20)They’ll be careful, but they want their schools open. Vice President Joe Biden: (14:22)People want to be safe. President Donald J. Trump: (14:23)I’m the one that brought back football. By the way, I brought back Big Ten football. It was me and I’m very happy to do it- Chris Wallace: (14:30)All right. Let’s- President Donald J. Trump: (14:31)… and people of Ohio are very proud of me. And you know how I found out? When [crosstalk 00:14:35]. Chris Wallace: (14:36)Gentlemen, we’re going to get to your economic plans going forward in a moment, but first, Mr. President, as you well know, there’s a new report that in 2016, the year you were elected president, and 2017, your first year as president, that you paid $750 a year in federal income tax each of those years. I know that you pay a lot of other taxes, but I’m asking you this specific question. Is it true that you paid $750 in federal income taxes each of those two years? President Donald J. Trump: (15:08)I paid millions of dollars in taxes, millions of dollars of income tax. And let me just tell you, there was a story in one of the papers that paid- Vice President Joe Biden: (15:16)Show us your tax returns. President Donald J. Trump: (15:17)I paid $38 million one year, I paid $27 million one year. Vice President Joe Biden: (15:24)Show us your tax returns. President Donald J. Trump: (15:24)You’ll see it as soon as it’s finished, you’ll see it. You know, if you wanted to, go to the Board of Elections. There’s 118 page or so report that says everything I have, every bank I have, I’m totally under leveraged because the assets are extremely good, and I built a great company. Chris Wallace: (15:42)Sir, I’m asking you a specific question, which is- President Donald J. Trump: (15:43)But let me tell you- Chris Wallace: (15:43)I understand all of that. Vice President Joe Biden: (15:44)Release your tax return. Chris Wallace: (15:45)I understand all of that- President Donald J. Trump: (15:45)Let me- Chris Wallace: (15:47)No, Mr. President, I’m asking you a question. Will you tell us how much you paid in federal income taxes in 2016 and 2017? President Donald J. Trump: (15:56)Millions of dollars. Chris Wallace: (15:58)You paid millions of dollars in- President Donald J. Trump: (15:59)Millions of dollars, yes. Chris Wallace: (15:59)So not 750? President Donald J. Trump: (16:00)Millions of dollars. And you’ll get to see it. And you’ll get to see it. Vice President Joe Biden: (16:03)When? Inshallah? President Donald J. Trump: (16:04)But let me just tell you- Vice President Joe Biden: (16:05)In [crosstalk 00:16:04]? President Donald J. Trump: (16:05)Chris, let me just say something, that it was the tax laws. I don’t want to pay tax. Before I came here, I was a private developer, I was a private business people. Like every other private person, unless they’re stupid, they go through the laws, and that’s what it is. He passed a tax bill that gave us all these privileges for depreciation and for tax credits. We build the building and we get tax credits, like the hotel on Pennsylvania Avenue. Which by the way, was given to me by the Obama administration, if you can believe that. Now the man got fired right after that happened, but that’s- Chris Wallace: (16:40)Vice President Biden, you want to respond? Vice President Joe Biden: (16:42)Yeah, I do want to respond. Look, the tax code that put him in a position that he pays less tax than on the money a school teacher makes is because of him… He says he’s smart because he can take advantage of the tax code. And he does take advantage of the tax code. That’s why I’m going to eliminate the Trump tax cuts. And I’m going to eliminate those tax cuts. President Donald J. Trump: (17:06)That’s okay. Vice President Joe Biden: (17:07)And make sure that we invest in the people who in fact need the help. People out there need help. President Donald J. Trump: (17:13)But why didn’t you do it over the last 25 years? Vice President Joe Biden: (17:16)Because you weren’t president- President Donald J. Trump: (17:18)Why didn’t you do it over the last 25 years? Vice President Joe Biden: (17:19)Because you weren’t president and screwing things up. President Donald J. Trump: (17:20)You were a Senator and [crosstalk 00:17:21]- Vice President Joe Biden: (17:21)You’re the worst president America has ever had. Come on. President Donald J. Trump: (17:24)Hey, Joe, let me just tell you, Joe. In 47 months, I’ve done more than you’ve done in 47 years, Joe. We’ve done things that you never even thought of doing. Chris Wallace: (17:33)Okay. Gentlemen? President Donald J. Trump: (17:33)Including fixing the broken military that you gave me, including taking care of your debts. Chris Wallace: (17:38)Mr. President, we’re talking about the economy. I’d like to ask you about your plans going forward because Mr. Vice President, your economic plan- President Donald J. Trump: (17:46)He has none. Chris Wallace: (17:47)… if you were to be elected president focuses a lot on big government, big taxes, big spending. I want to focus first on the taxes. You propose more than $4 trillion over a decade in new taxes on individuals making more than $400,000 a year. Chris Wallace: (18:03)… on individuals making more than $400,000 a year and on corporations. President Trump says that that kind of an increase in taxes is going to hurt the economy as it’s just coming out of a recession. Vice President Joe Biden: (18:13)Well, just take a look at what is the analysis done by Wall Street firms, points out that my economic plan would create 7 million more jobs than his in four years, number one. And number two, it would create an additional $1 trillion in economic growth, because it would be about buying American. The federal government spends $600 billion a year on everything from ships, to steel, to buildings and the like. And under my proposal, we’re going to make sure that every penny of that has to be made by a company- Chris Wallace: (18:50)But respectfully, sir, I’m talking about taxes, not spending. Vice President Joe Biden: (18:53)By the way, I’m going to eliminate a significant number of the taxes. I’m going to make the corporate tax 28%. It shouldn’t be 21%. You have 91 companies federal, I mean, the fortune 500, who don’t pay a single penny in tax making billions of dollars. President Donald J. Trump: (19:09)Why didn’t you do it before, when you were vice president with Obama? Vice President Joe Biden: (19:12)Because you in fact passed that, that was your tax proposal. President Donald J. Trump: (19:16)I got it done. And you know what happened? Vice President Joe Biden: (19:17)Yeah, you got it done- President Donald J. Trump: (19:18)Our economy boomed like it’s never boomed before. Vice President Joe Biden: (19:20)The economy- Chris Wallace: (19:20)Mr. President- Vice President Joe Biden: (19:22)Let me finish. Chris Wallace: (19:23)Mr. President, let me pick up on that. You would continue your free market approach, lower taxes, more deregulation, correct? Vice President Joe Biden: (19:31)Not lower tax for the American people. Chris Wallace: (19:34)But let me- President Donald J. Trump: (19:34)Excuse me. Chris Wallace: (19:34)You talk about the economy booming. It turns out that in Obama’s final three years as president more jobs were created, a million and a half more jobs, than in the first three years of your presidency. President Donald J. Trump: (19:47)They had the slowest economic recovery since 1929. It was the slowest recovery. Also, they took over something that was down here. All you had to do is turn on the lights and you pick up a lot. But they had the slowest economic recovery since 1929, and let me tell you about the stock market. When the stock market goes up, that means jobs. It also means 401ks. If you got in, if you ever became president with your ideas, you want to terminate my taxes. I’ll tell you what, you’ll lose. Half of the companies that have poured in here will leave. And plenty of companies that are already here, they’ll leave for other places. [crosstalk 00:20:25] They will leave and you will have a depression, the likes of which you’ve never seen. Vice President Joe Biden: (20:29)Look- Chris Wallace: (20:29)Mr. Vice President. Vice President Joe Biden: (20:30)… we inherited the worst recession, short of a depression in American history. I was asked to bring it back. We were able to have an economic recovery that created the jobs you’re talking about. We handed him a booming economy, he blew it. President Donald J. Trump: (20:44)It wasn’t blooming. Vice President Joe Biden: (20:45)He blew it. President Donald J. Trump: (20:46)He was in booming. It was the weakest recovery since 1929. Chris Wallace: (20:50)Wait, wait, is it fair to say he blew it when, in fact- President Donald J. Trump: (20:53)When COVID came along. Chris Wallace: (20:54)… when there was record low unemployment before COVID. Vice President Joe Biden: (20:57)Yeah, because what he did, even before COVID, manufacturing went in the hole. Manufacturing went in a hole- President Donald J. Trump: (21:04)Excuse me, Chris, wait. Vice President Joe Biden: (21:05)… number one. Number two- President Donald J. Trump: (21:06)Chris. Vice President Joe Biden: (21:06)Number three. President Donald J. Trump: (21:07)They said it would take… No, you’re on number two. Vice President Joe Biden: (21:09)No. President Donald J. Trump: (21:10)Chris, Chris. They said it would take- Vice President Joe Biden: (21:12)This guy- President Donald J. Trump: (21:12)… a miracle to bring back manufacturing. I brought back 700,000 jobs. They brought back nothing. They gave up on manufacturing. Vice President Joe Biden: (21:20)We did not. [crosstalk 00:21:21] President Donald J. Trump: (21:21)… standard fare. Vice President Joe Biden: (21:22)I’m the guy that brought back the automobile industry. President Donald J. Trump: (21:25)He totally gave up on manufacturing. Chris Wallace: (21:25)All right, let him- Vice President Joe Biden: (21:25)I was asked to bring back Chrysler and General Motors. He brought them back right here in the state of Ohio and Michigan. He blew it. They’re gone. He blew it. And in fact, they’re gone- President Donald J. Trump: (21:34)Ohio had the best year it’s ever had last year. Michigan had the best year they’ve ever had. Vice President Joe Biden: (21:40)That is not true. President Donald J. Trump: (21:41)Many car companies came in from Germany, from Japan, went to Michigan, went to Ohio and they didn’t come in with you. [crosstalk 00:21:47]. Chris Wallace: (21:47)Mr. Vice President, go ahead. Vice President Joe Biden: (21:48)And so you take a look at what he’s actually done. He’s done very little. His trade deals are the same way. He talks about these great trade deals. He talks about the art of the deal. China’s perfected the art of the steel. We have a higher deficit with China now than we did before. We have the highest trade deficit- President Donald J. Trump: (22:06)China ate your lunch- [crosstalk 00:00:22:07]. Vice President Joe Biden: (22:08)… with Mexico. President Donald J. Trump: (22:09)China ate your lunch, Joe. And no wonder your son goes in and he takes out billions of dollars. He takes out billions of dollars to manage. He makes millions of dollars. And also, while we’re at it, why is it just out of curiosity, the mayor of Moscow’s wife gave you a son three and a half million dollars? Vice President Joe Biden: (22:28)That is not true. President Donald J. Trump: (22:28)What did he do to deserve it? What did he do with- Vice President Joe Biden: (22:31)None of that is true. President Donald J. Trump: (22:31)… to deserve $183,000? Chris Wallace: (22:31)Sir, you’ve asked him a question, let him answer it. Vice President Joe Biden: (22:37)None of that is true. President Donald J. Trump: (22:38)Oh really, he didn’t get three and a half million? Chris Wallace: (22:39)Mr. President- Vice President Joe Biden: (22:40)Is totally- Chris Wallace: (22:41)Mr. President, please. You’ve asked a question- [crosstalk 00:22:41] Vice President Joe Biden: (22:41)Totally discredited. Totally discredited. And by the way- President Donald J. Trump: (22:45)Well wait, he didn’t get three and a half million dollars, Joe? Vice President Joe Biden: (22:48)Mr. Vice- President Donald J. Trump: (22:48)He got three and a half million- Chris Wallace: (22:49)Mr. President. President Donald J. Trump: (22:49)… dollars. Vice President Joe Biden: (22:50)That is not true. President Donald J. Trump: (22:51)Oh, really? Chris Wallace: (22:51)Mr. President, it’s an open discussion. Please- [crosstalk 00:22:56] President Donald J. Trump: (22:56)It’s a fact. Vice President Joe Biden: (22:57)It is not a fact. Chris Wallace: (22:57)Well, you have raised an issue, let the Vice President answer. Vice President Joe Biden: (23:00)It’s been totally discredited. President Donald J. Trump: (23:01)Did Burisma pay him 183,000 a month, with no experience in energy? Chris Wallace: (23:06)Mr. President- Vice President Joe Biden: (23:07)My son did nothing wrong at Barisma- President Donald J. Trump: (23:10)I think he did. Chris Wallace: (23:10)Mr. President, let him answer. [crosstalk 00:23:13]. Vice President Joe Biden: (23:11)He doesn’t want to let me answer, because he knows I have the truth. His position has been totally thoroughly discredited- President Donald J. Trump: (23:20)By who? Vice President Joe Biden: (23:20)And you can- President Donald J. Trump: (23:20)The media. Vice President Joe Biden: (23:20)by everybody. Well, by the media, by our allies. President Donald J. Trump: (23:23)By the media, because they refuse to talk about it- Vice President Joe Biden: (23:23)By the World Bank- President Donald J. Trump: (23:24)… because they’re embarrassed. Vice President Joe Biden: (23:27)By everyone, has discredited. And matter of fact [crosstalk 00:23:30] Matter of fact- Chris Wallace: (23:30)Mr. President, please stop. Vice President Joe Biden: (23:31)Even the people who testified under oath- President Donald J. Trump: (23:33)So let me ask you this, Joe- [crosstalk 00:23:35]. Chris Wallace: (23:36)Go ahead, I’m listening to you. Vice President Joe Biden: (23:37)Even the people under- President Donald J. Trump: (23:38)He got three and a half million dollars from Moscow. Vice President Joe Biden: (23:40)… testified under oath in his administration said I did my job and I did it very well. President Donald J. Trump: (23:47)Oh, really? Vice President Joe Biden: (23:47)I did it honorably. President Donald J. Trump: (23:47)I’d like to know who they are. Vice President Joe Biden: (23:48)Well, I’ll give you the list of the people who- President Donald J. Trump: (23:50)I’ll fire them. Chris Wallace: (23:50)No, no. Go ahead, sir. Vice President Joe Biden: (23:51)I’m sure that you’ve already fired most of them, because they did a good job. President Donald J. Trump: (23:54)Some people don’t do a good job. Vice President Joe Biden: (23:55)Well, here’s the- [crosstalk 00:23:57] Chris Wallace: (23:57)Go ahead. You get the- [crosstalk 00:23:57] Wait a minute. You get the final word, Mr.- Vice President Joe Biden: (23:59)Well, it’s hard to get any word in with this clown. Excuse me, this person. President Donald J. Trump: (24:02)Hey, let me just tell you, Joe- Vice President Joe Biden: (24:03)No, no. Mr. President- [crosstalk 00:24:05] President Donald J. Trump: (24:04)Three and a half million, Joe. Vice President Joe Biden: (24:06)That is simply not true. President Donald J. Trump: (24:07)Why did he deserve three and a half million from Moscow? Vice President Joe Biden: (24:09)Look, here’s the deal. We want to talk about families and ethics. I don’t want to do that. I mean, his family, we could talk about all night. His family’s already- President Donald J. Trump: (24:19)My family- Chris Wallace: (24:20)No, no- [crosstalk 00:06:20]. President Donald J. Trump: (24:20)My family lost a fortune by coming down and helping us with governance. Vice President Joe Biden: (24:24)And that’s such a- [crosstalk 00:24:25] Chris Wallace: (24:25)Mr. President- President Donald J. Trump: (24:26)Every single one of them lost a fortune- Vice President Joe Biden: (24:27)This is not about my family or his family. It’s about your family, the American people. [crosstalk 00:24:32] That’s not true. It doesn’t want to talk about what you need. You, the American people, it’s about you. That’s what we’re talking about here. [crosstalk 00:24:42] Chris Wallace: (24:43)That’s the end of the segment. We’re moving on. Vice President Joe Biden: (24:46)He didn’t take that. Chris Wallace: (24:47)Vice President- President Donald J. Trump: (24:47)Chris, can I be honest? It’s a very important question- Vice President Joe Biden: (24:49)Try to be honest. Chris Wallace: (24:50)No. President Donald J. Trump: (24:50)He stood up- Chris Wallace: (24:52)The answer to the question is no. President Donald J. Trump: (24:53)… and the threatened Ukraine- Chris Wallace: (24:55)Sir- President Donald J. Trump: (24:55)… with a billion dollars- Vice President Joe Biden: (24:57)That is absolutely not true. Chris Wallace: (25:01)Stop. [crosstalk 00:25:02] Gentlemen, I hate to raise my voice, but I- [crosstalk 00:25:05] Why should I be different than the two of you? So here’s the deal. Vice President Joe Biden: (25:09)That’s a good point. Chris Wallace: (25:09)We have six segments. We have ended that segment. We’re going to go to the next segment. In that segment, you each are going to have two uninterrupted moments. In those two interrupted minutes, Mr. President, you can say anything you want. I’m going to ask a question about race, but if you want to answer about something else, go ahead. But I think that the country would be better served, if we allowed both people to speak with fewer interruptions. I’m appealing to you, sir, to do that. President Donald J. Trump: (25:37)Well, and him too. Chris Wallace: (25:38)Well, frankly, you’ve been doing more interrupting than he has. President Donald J. Trump: (25:40)Well, that’s all right, but he does plenty. Chris Wallace: (25:41)Well, sir, less than- President Donald J. Trump: (25:43)He does plenty. Chris Wallace: (25:43)No, less than you have. Let’s please continue on. The issue of rice. Vice-President Biden, you say that President Trump’s response to the violence in Charlottesville three years ago, when he talked about very fine people on both sides, was what directly led you to launch this run for president. President Donald J. Trump: (26:05)Oh yeah, sure. Chris Wallace: (26:06)President Trump, you have often said that you believe you will have done more for Black Americans than any president with the possible exception of Abraham Lincoln. President Donald J. Trump: (26:16)That’s true. Chris Wallace: (26:16)My question for the two of you, is why should voters trust you rather than your opponent to deal with the race issues facing this country over the next four years? Vice President Biden, you go first. Vice President Joe Biden: (26:29)It’s about equity and equality. It’s about decency. It’s about the constitution. And we have never walked away from trying to require equity for everyone, equality for the whole of America. But we’ve never accomplished it, but we’ve never walked away from it like he has done. It is true, the reason I got in the race is when those people… Close your eyes, remember what those people look like coming out of the fields, carrying torches, their veins bulging, just spewing anti-Semitic bile and accompanied by the Ku Klux Klan. A young woman got killed and they asked the president what he thought. He said, “There were very fine people on both sides.” No president’s ever said anything like that. [crosstalk 00:27:10]. Chris Wallace: (27:11)It is his- Vice President Joe Biden: (27:12)Now- Chris Wallace: (27:12)… minute sir. Vice President Joe Biden: (27:13)… second point I’d make to you, is that when Floyd was killed, when Mr. Floyd was killed, there was a peaceful protest in front of the White House. What did he do? He came out of his bunker, had the military use tear gas on them so he could walk across to a church and hold up a Bible. And then what happened after that? The Bishop of that very church said that it was a disgrace. The general who was with him said all he ever wants to do is divide people, not unite people at all. This is a president who has used everything as a dog whistle, to try to generate racists hatred, racist division. Vice President Joe Biden: (27:50)This is a man who, in fact, you talk about helping African-Americans, one in 1000 African Americans has been killed because of the coronavirus. And if he doesn’t do something quickly, by the end of the year, one in 500 will have been killed. One in 500 African Americans. This man is as a savior of African-Americans? This man cares at all? This man’s done virtually nothing. Look, the fact is that you have to look at what he talks about. You have to look at what he did. And what he did has been disastrous for the African-American community. President Donald J. Trump: (28:27)So- Chris Wallace: (28:28)President Trump, you have two minutes. Why should Americans trust you over your opponent to deal race issues? President Donald J. Trump: (28:34)You did a crime bill, 1994, where you call them super predators. African-Americans are super predators and they’ve never forgotten it. They’ve never forgotten it. Vice President Joe Biden: (28:43)I’ve never said- Chris Wallace: (28:44)No, no, sir. It’s his two minutes. President Donald J. Trump: (28:45)So you did that and they call you a super predator and I’m letting people out of jail now, that you have treated the African-American population community, you have treated the black community about as bad as anybody in this country. You did the 1990… And that’s why, if you look at the polls, I’m doing better than any Republican has done in a long time, because they saw what you did. You call them super predators, and you’ve called them worse than that. Because you look back at your testimony over the years, you’ve called them a lot worse than that. As far as the church is concerned and as far as the generals are concerned, we just got the support of 250 military leaders and generals, total support. Law enforcement, almost every law enforcement group in the United States. I have Florida. I have Texas. I have Ohio. I have every… Excuse me, Portland, the sheriff just came out today and he said, “I support President Trump.” President Donald J. Trump: (29:39)I don’t think you have any law enforcement. You can’t even say the word law enforcement. Because if you say those words, you’re going to lose all of your radical left supporters. And why aren’t you saying those words, Joe? Why don’t you say the words law enforcement? Because you know what? If called us in Portland, we would put out that fire in a half an hour. But they won’t do it, because they’re run by radical left Democrats. If you look at Chicago, if you look at any place you want to look, Seattle, they heard we were coming in the following day and they put up their hands and we got back Seattle. Minneapolis, we got it back, Joe, because we believe in law and order, but you don’t. The top 10 cities and just about the top 40 cities are run by Democrats, and in many cases radical left. And they’ve got you wrapped around their finger, Joe, to a point where you don’t want to say anything about law and order. And I’ll tell you what, the people of this country want and demand law and order and you’re afraid to even say it. Chris Wallace: (30:35)All right. I want to return to the question of race. Vice President Biden, after the grand jury in the Breonna Taylor case decided not to charge any of the police with homicide, you said it raises the question, “Whether justice could be equally applied in America.” Do you believe that there is a separate but unequal system of justice for Blacks in this country? Vice President Joe Biden: (30:59)Yes, there is. There’s systemic injustice in this country, in education and work and in law enforcement and the way in which it’s enforced. But look, the vast majority of police officers are good, decent, honorable men and women. They risk their lives every day to take care of us, but there are some bad apples. And when they occur, when they find them, they have to be sorted out. They have to be held accountable. They have to be held accountable. And what I’m going to do as President of the United States is call together an entire group of people at the White House, everything from the civil rights groups, to the police officers, to the police chiefs, and we’re going to work this out. Vice President Joe Biden: (31:38)We’re going to work this out. So we changed the way in which we have more transparency, in when these things happen. These cops aren’t happy to see what happened to George Floyd. These cops aren’t happy to see what happened to Breonna Taylor. Most don’t like it, but we have to have a system where people are held accountable when… And by the way, violence in response is never appropriate, never appropriate. Peaceful protest is, violence is never appropriate. Chris Wallace: (32:04)All right, Mr.- President Donald J. Trump: (32:05)What is peaceful protest? When they run through the middle of the town- Chris Wallace: (32:08)President Trump- President Donald J. Trump: (32:09)… and burn down your stores and kill people all over the place- [crosstalk 00:32:14]. Vice President Joe Biden: (32:11)That is not peaceful protest. President Donald J. Trump: (32:13)No it’s not, but you say it is. Chris Wallace: (32:15)President Trump, I’d like to continue with the issue of race. I promise we’re going to get to the issue of law and order in a moment. President Donald J. Trump: (32:21)Fine. Chris Wallace: (32:21)This month, your administration directed federal agencies to end racial sensitivity training that addresses white privilege or critical race theory. Why did you decide to do that, to end racial sensitivity training? And do you believe that there is systemic racism in this country, sir? President Donald J. Trump: (32:42)I ended it because it’s racist. I ended it because a lot of people were complaining that they were asked to do things that were absolutely insane. That it a radical revolution that was taking place in our military, in our schools, all over the place. And you know it, and so does everybody else. And he would know it- [crosstalk 00:33:02] Chris Wallace: (33:02)What is radical about racial sensitivity training? President Donald J. Trump: (33:05)If you were a certain person, you had no status in life. It was sort of a reversal. And if you look at the people, we were paying people hundreds of thousands of dollars to teach very bad ideas and frankly, very sick ideas. And really, they were teaching people to hate our country And I’m not going to do that. I’m not going to allow that to happen. We have to go back to the core values of this country. They were teaching people that our country is a horrible place. It’s a racist place. And they were teaching people to hate our country. And I’m not going to allow that to happen. Chris Wallace: (33:38)Vice President Biden. Vice President Joe Biden: (33:39)Nobody’s doing that. He’s the racist. President Donald J. Trump: (33:42)You just don’t know. Vice President Joe Biden: (33:43)Here’s the deal. I know a lot more about this- [crosstalk 00:15:43]. Chris Wallace: (33:45)Let him finish. Vice President Joe Biden: (33:47)The fact is that there is racial insensitivity. People have to be made aware of what other people feel like, what insults them, what is demeaning to them. It’s important people know. Many people don’t want to hurt other people’s feelings, but it makes a big difference. It makes a gigantic difference in the way a child is able to grow up and have a sense of self-esteem. It’s a little bit like how this guy and his friends look down on so many people. They look down their nose on people like Irish Catholics, like me, who grow up in Scranton. They look down on people who don’t have money. They look down on people who are of a different faith. They looked down on people who are a different color. In fact, we’re all Americans. The only way we’re going to bring this country together is bring everybody together. There’s nothing we cannot do, if we do it together. We can take this on and we can defeat racism in American. Chris Wallace: (34:41)Vice President… I mean, President Trump, sir. President Donald J. Trump: (34:43)During the Obama-Biden administration, there was tremendous division. There was hatred. You look at Ferguson, you look at, or you go to very… Many places, look at Oakland. Look what happened in Oakland. Look what happened in Baltimore. Look what happened… Frankly, it was more violent than what I’m even seeing now. Vice President Joe Biden: (35:01)Oh my Lord. President Donald J. Trump: (35:01)But the reason- Vice President Joe Biden: (35:02)This is ridiculous. President Donald J. Trump: (35:03)… is that the Democrats that run these cities- Vice President Joe Biden: (35:05)Absolutely ridiculous. President Donald J. Trump: (35:06)… don’t want to talk, like you, about law and order. Vice President Joe Biden: (35:08)Violent crime- President Donald J. Trump: (35:09)And you still haven’t mentioned. Are you in favor of law and order? Vice President Joe Biden: (35:12)I’m in favor of law. You- [crosstalk 00:35:15]. President Donald J. Trump: (35:14)Are you in favor of law and order? [crosstalk 00:35:17] Chris Wallace: (35:16)You asked a question, let him finish. [crosstalk 00:35:18] Let him answer. Vice President Joe Biden: (35:20)Law and order with justice, where people get treated fairly. President Donald J. Trump: (35:23)Okay. Vice President Joe Biden: (35:24)And the fact of the matter is, violent crime went down 17%, 15% in our administration. It’s gone up on his watch. President Donald J. Trump: (35:31)It went down much more in ours. Chris Wallace: (35:33)All right, we’re done- [crosstalk 00:35:35] Mr. President, you’re going to be very happy because we’re now going to talk about law and order. President Donald J. Trump: (35:41)The places we had trouble were democratic run cities- Chris Wallace: (35:44)That’s exactly my question. There has been a dramatic increase in homicides in America this summer particularly, and you often blame that on democratic mayors and democratic governors. But in fact, there have been equivalent spikes in Republican led cities, like Tulsa and Fort Worth. So the question is, is this really a… Chris Wallace: (36:03)It’s like Tulsa and Fort worth. So the question is, is this really a party issue? President Donald J. Trump: (36:05)I think as a party issue, you can bring in a couple of examples but if you look at Chicago, what’s going on in Chicago where a 53 people were shot and eight died shot, if you look at New York where it’s going up, like nobody’s ever seen anything. The numbers are going up a 100%, 150%, 200% crime, it is crazy what’s going on and he doesn’t want to say law and order because he can’t because he’ll lose his radical left supporters and once he does that, it’s over with. But if he ever got to run this country and they ran it the way he would want to run it, we would have by the way our suburbs would be gone. And you would see problems like you’ve never seen before. Vice President Joe Biden: (36:45)He wouldn’t know a suburb unless you took a wrong turn. President Donald J. Trump: (36:47)Oh, I know suburbs so much that you. Chris Wallace: (36:48)Gentlemen wait a minute. Vice President Joe Biden: (36:50)I was raised in the suburbs. This is not 1950. All these dog whistles and racism don’t work anymore. Suburbs are by and large integrated. There’s many people today driving their kids to soccer practice and/or black and white and Hispanic in the same car as there have been any time in the past, what really is a threat to the suburbs and their safety is his failure to deal with COVID. They’re dying in the suburbs. His failure to deal with the environment, they’re being flooded, they’re being burned out because his refusal to do anything. That’s why the suburbs are in trouble. Chris Wallace: (37:23)I do want to talk about this issue of law and order though. And in the joint recommendation that came from the Biden-Bernie Sanders task force, you talked about quote re-imagining policing. First of all, what does re-imagining policing mean and do you support? If I might finish the question, what does re-imagining policing mean and do you support the Black Lives Matter call for community control of policing? Vice President Joe Biden: (37:54)Look, what I support are the police having the opportunity to deal with the problems they face and I’m totally opposed to defunding the police offices. As a matter of fact police, local police, the only one defunding in his budget calls for a $400 million cut in local law enforcement assistance. They need more assistance. They need when they show up for a 9-11 call to have someone with them as a psychologist or psychiatrist to keep them from having to use force and be able to talk people down. We have to have community policing like we had before where the officers get to know the people in the communities. That’s when crime went down, it didn’t go up. It went down. And so we have to be… President Donald J. Trump: (38:35)That’s not what they are talking about this. That’s not what it is about. He’s talking about defunding the police. Vice President Joe Biden: (38:39)That is not true. President Donald J. Trump: (38:40)He doesn’t have any law support. He has no law enforcement. Vice President Joe Biden: (38:45)That’s not true. President Donald J. Trump: (38:45)He has almost nothing. Oh, really, who do you have name one group that supports you name one group that came out and supported you. Go ahead. Think we have time. Vice President Joe Biden: (38:54)We don’t have time to do anything. President Donald J. Trump: (38:55)No, no think right now. Name one law enforcement group that came out in support of you. Chris Wallace: (39:00)Now, gentleman. I think I’m going to tell I’m going to take back the bottom line. President Donald J. Trump: (39:03)There aren’t any. Chris Wallace: (39:04)And I want to get to another subject, which is the issue of protests in many cities that have turned violent in Portland, Oregon, especially we had more than a 100 straight days of protests, which I think you would agree, you talk about peaceful protests. Many of those turned into riots. Mr. Vice-president you say that people who commit crimes should be held accountable. The question I have though is as the democratic nominee, and earlier tonight, you said that you are the Democratic Party right now, have you ever called the Democratic Mayor of Portland or the Democratic Governor of Oregon and said, “Hey, you got to stop this, bring in the National Guard, do whatever it takes, but you’d stop the days and months of violence in Portland.” Vice President Joe Biden: (39:50)I don’t hold public office. Now I am a former vice president. I’ve made it clear. I’ve made it clear in my public statements that the violence should be prosecuted. It should be prosecuted and anyone who committed it should be prosecuted. Chris Wallace: (40:02)But you’ve never called for the people… President Donald J. Trump: (40:02)He’s never done that. Chris Wallace: (40:02)Excuse me, sir. You had never called for the leaders in Portland and in Oregon to call and bring in the National Guard and knock off a 100 days of riots. Vice President Joe Biden: (40:15)They can in fact take care of it if he just stay out of the way. President Donald J. Trump: (40:19)Oh really? I sent in the US Marshalls to get the killer of a young man in the middle of the street and they shot him for three days Portland didn’t do anything. I sent in the US Marshals they took care of business. Chris Wallace: (40:33)Go ahead sir. Vice President Joe Biden: (40:34)And by the way his own former spokesperson said, “Riots and chaos and violence help he cause.” That’s what this is all about. President Donald J. Trump: (40:43)I don’t know who said that. Vice President Joe Biden: (40:44)I do. President Donald J. Trump: (40:45)Who? Vice President Joe Biden: (40:46)I think Kellyanne Conway. President Donald J. Trump: (40:48)I don’t think she said that. Vice President Joe Biden: (40:48)She said that. President Donald J. Trump: (40:49)I don’t think so. Vice President Joe Biden: (40:50)Here’s the point, the point is that that’s why he keeps trying to rile everything up. He doesn’t want to calm things down instead of going in and talking to people and saying, “Let’s get everybody together. Figure out how to deal with this.” What’s he do? He just pours gasoline in the fire constantly and every single solitary time. Chris Wallace: (41:10)Okay. And to end this, button up this segment I’m going to give you a minute to answer, sir. You have repeatedly criticized… President Donald J. Trump: (41:16)Does it mean I have to answer his stuff. Chris Wallace: (41:17)You have repeatedly… President Donald J. Trump: (41:18)Wait a second, you have made a statement. Chris Wallace: (41:19)You’ve been talking back and forth. I’m asking you. President Donald J. Trump: (41:22)I would love to end it. Chris Wallace: (41:24)You know sir if you want to switch seats we could very quickly can do that. President Donald J. Trump: (41:28)I’ll send in the National Guard, it would be over. That’d be no problem. But I don’t want to accept the National Guard. Chris Wallace: (41:33)You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out Antifa and other left wing extremist groups. But are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia group and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland. President Donald J. Trump: (41:57)Sure, I’m will to do that. Chris Wallace: (41:59)Are you prepared specifically to do it. President Donald J. Trump: (42:00)I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing not from the right wing. Chris Wallace: (42:04)But what are you saying? President Donald J. Trump: (42:06)I’m willing to do anything. I want to see peace. Chris Wallace: (42:08)Well, do it, sir. Vice President Joe Biden: (42:09)Say it, do it say it. President Donald J. Trump: (42:10)What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead who do you want me to condemn. Chris Wallace: (42:14)White supremacist and right-wing militia. Vice President Joe Biden: (42:14)Proud Boys. President Donald J. Trump: (42:18)Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I’ll tell you what somebody’s got to do something about Antifa and the left because this is not a right wing problem this is a left wing… Vice President Joe Biden: (42:28)His own FBI Director said unlike white supremacist, Antifa is an idea not an organization- President Donald J. Trump: (42:35)Oh you got to be kidding me. Vice President Joe Biden: (42:36)… not a militia. That’s what his FBI Director said. President Donald J. Trump: (42:41)Well, then you know what, he’s wrong. Chris Wallace: (42:42)We’re done, sir. Moving onto the next… [crosstalk 00:42:46] President Donald J. Trump: (42:46)Antifa is bad. Vice President Joe Biden: (42:47)Every body in your administration tells you the truth, it’s a bad idea. You have no idea about anything. President Donald J. Trump: (42:53)You know what, Antifa is a dangerous radical group. Chris Wallace: (42:56)All right, gentlemen we’re now moving onto the Trump-Biden record. President Donald J. Trump: (42:58)And you ought to be careful of them, they’ll over throw you. Chris Wallace: (43:00)I’m going to ask a question. When the president seeks a second term, it is generally a referendum on his record but vice president Biden, you’d like to quote one of your dad’s sayings, which is don’t compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative. And in this case sir you are the alternative. Looking at both of your records, I’m going to ask each of you. Why should voters elect you president over your opponent in this segment, President Trump you’ll go first, two minutes. President Donald J. Trump: (43:30)Because there is never been an administration or president who has done more than I’ve done in a period of three and a half years. And that’s despite the impeachment hoax and you so what happened today with Hillary Clinton, where it was a whole big con job. But despite going through all of these things where I had a fight, both flanks and behind me and above there has never been an administration that’s done what I’ve done. The greatest, before COVID came in the greatest economy in history, lowest unemployment numbers, everything was good. Everything was going. President Donald J. Trump: (44:03)And by the way, there was unity going to happen. People were calling me for the first time in years, they were calling and they were saying it’s time maybe and then what happened? We got hit. But now we’re building it back up again. A rebuilding of the military, including Space Force and all of the other things. A fixing of the VA which was a mess under him, 308,000 people died because they didn’t have proper health care. It was a mess. And we now got a 91% approval rating at the VA, our vets. We take care of our vets. But we’ve rebuilt our military. And I’ll tell you something, some people say maybe the most important by the end of the first term I’ll have approximately 300 Federal judges and Court of Appeals judges, 300 and hopefully three great Supreme Court judges, justices that is a record the likes of which very few people and one of the reasons I’ll have so many judges because President Obama and him left me 128 judges to fill. President Donald J. Trump: (45:05)When you leave office, you don’t leave any judges. That’s like, you just don’t do that. They left 128 openings and if I were a member of his party, because they have a little different philosophy, I’d say, if you left us 128 openings you can’t be a good president. You can’t be a good vice president but I want to thank you because it gives us almost, it’ll probably be above that number. By the end of this term, 300 judges. It’s a record. Chris Wallace: (45:34)Looking at both of your records. Why should voters elect you President as opposed to president Trump, you have two minutes uninterrupted. Vice President Joe Biden: (45:42)Under this president, we become weaker, sicker, poor, more divided and more violent. When I was vice president, we inherited a recession. I was asked to fix it. I did. We left him a booming economy and he caused the recession. With regard to being weaker, the fact is that I’ve gone head to head with Putin and made it clear to him we’re not going to take any of his stuff. He’s Putin’s puppy. He still refuses to even say anything to Putin about the bounty on the heads of American soldiers. President Donald J. Trump: (46:14)You son got three and a half million dollars. Vice President Joe Biden: (46:17)By the way, my son… Chris Wallace: (46:19)Wait a minute. Mr. President, your campaign agreed to both sides would get two minute answers, uninterrupted. Well, you’re a side agreed to it and why don’t you observe what your campaign agreed to as a ground rule. Okay, sir? Vice President Joe Biden: (46:33)He never keeps his word. Chris Wallace: (46:34)No, that was a rhetorical question. Vice President Joe Biden: (46:37)Can you get back 30 seconds? Chris Wallace: (46:39)Yes. You may have, go ahead. Vice President Joe Biden: (46:42)So thirdly, we’re poor. The billionaires have gotten much more wealthy by a tune of over $3- $400 billion more just since COVID. You in the home, you got less you’re in more trouble than you were before. In terms of being more violent. When we were in office there were 15% less violence in America than there is today. He’s President United States. It’s on his watch. And with regard to more divided the nation, it can’t stay divided. We can’t be this way. And speaking of my son, the way you talk about the military, the way you talk about them being losers and being and just being suckers. My son was in Iraq. He spent a year there. He got the Brown Star. He got the Conspicuous Service Medal. He was not a loser. He was a Patriot and the people left behind there were heroes. President Donald J. Trump: (47:39)Really? Vice President Joe Biden: (47:39)And I resent- President Donald J. Trump: (47:40)Are you talking Hunter, are you talking about Hunter. Vice President Joe Biden: (47:42)I’m talking about my son, Beau Biden, you’re talking about Hunter? President Donald J. Trump: (47:44)I don’t know Beau. I know Hunter. Hunter got thrown out of the military. He was thrown out dishonorably discharged. Vice President Joe Biden: (47:51)That’s not true he was not dishonorably discharged. President Donald J. Trump: (47:53)For cocaine use. And he didn’t have a job until you became vice president. Vice President Joe Biden: (47:56)None of that is true. President Donald J. Trump: (47:56)Once you became vice president he made a fortune in Ukraine, in China, in Moscow and various other places. Vice President Joe Biden: (48:01)That is not true. President Donald J. Trump: (48:04)He made a fortune and he didn’t have a job. Vice President Joe Biden: (48:07)My son like a lot of people at home had a drug problem. He’s overtaking it. He’s fixed it. He’s worked on it. And I’m proud of him, I’m proud of my son. President Donald J. Trump: (48:17)But why was he given tens of millions of dollars? Vice President Joe Biden: (48:19)He wasn’t given tens of millions of dollars. [crosstalk 00:48:23] It was all discredited. Chris Wallace: (48:27)We’ve already been through this. I think the American people would rather hear about more substantial subjects. Well, as the moderator, sir, I’m going to make a judgment call here. President Donald J. Trump: (48:35)I know but when somebody gets three and a half million dollars from the Mayor of Moscow. Vice President Joe Biden: (48:39)That is not true. That report is totally discredited. President Donald J. Trump: (48:43)Why did he get it? Vice President Joe Biden: (48:45)Mitt Romney on that committee said it wasn’t worth taxpayer’s money. That report was written for political reason. Chris Wallace: (48:50)I’d like to talk about climate change. Vice President Joe Biden: (48:52)So would I. Chris Wallace: (48:53)Okay. The forest fires in the West are raging now. They have burned millions of acres. They have displaced hundreds of thousands of people. When state officials there blamed the fires on climate change. Mr. President, you said, I don’t think the science knows. Over your four years, you have pulled the US out of the Paris Climate Accord. You have rolled back a number of Obama Environmental records, what do you believe about the science of climate change and what will you do in the next four years to confront it? President Donald J. Trump: (49:27)I want crystal clean water and air. I want beautiful clean air. We have now the lowest carbon… If you look at our numbers right now, we are doing phenomenally. But I haven’t destroyed our businesses. Our businesses aren’t put out of commission. If you look at the Paris Accord, it was a disaster from our standpoint. And people are actually very happy about what’s going on because our businesses are doing well. As far as the fires are concerned, you need forest management. In addition to everything else, the forest floors are loaded up with trees, dead trees that are years old and they’re like tinder and leaves and everything else. You drop a cigarette in there the whole forest burns down. You’ve got to have forest management. Chris Wallace: (50:09)What do you believe about the science of climate change, sir? President Donald J. Trump: (50:13)I believe that we have to do everything we can to have immaculate air immaculate water and do whatever else we can that’s good. We’re planting a billion trees, the Billion Tree Project and it’s very exciting for a lot of people. Chris Wallace: (50:25)You believe that human pollution, gas, greenhouse gas emissions contributes to the global warming of this planet. President Donald J. Trump: (50:32)I think a lot of things do, but I think to an extent, yes. I think to an extent, yes, but I also think we have to do better management of our forest. Every year I get the call. California’s burning, California’s burning. If that was cleaned, if that were, if you had forest management, good forest management, you wouldn’t be getting those calls. In Europe, they live they’re forest cities. They call forest cities. They maintain their forest. They manage their forest. I was with the head of a major country, it’s a forest city. He said, “Sir, we have trees that are far more, they ignite much easier than California. There shouldn’t be that problem.” I spoke with the Governor about it. I’m getting along very well with the governor. But I said, “At some point you can’t every year have hundreds of thousands of acres of land just burned to the ground.” That’s burning down because of a lack of management. Chris Wallace: (51:25)But sir if you believe in the science of climate change, why have you rolled back the Obama Clean Power Plan which limited carbon emissions and power plants? Why have you relaxed…? President Donald J. Trump: (51:35)Because it was driving energy prices through the sky. Vice President Joe Biden: (51:38)Why have you relaxed fuel economy standards that are going to create more pollution from cars and trucks? President Donald J. Trump: (51:44)Well, not really because what’s happening is the car is much less expensive and it’s a much safer car and you talk it about a tiny difference. And then what would happen because of the cost of the car you would have at least double and triple the number of cars purchased. We have the old slugs out there that are 10, 12 years old. If you did that, the car would be safer. It would be much cheaper by $3,500. Chris Wallace: (52:06)But in the case of California they have simply ignored that. President Donald J. Trump: (52:08)No, but you would take a lot of cars off the market because people would be able to afford a car. Now, by the way, we’re going to see how that turns out. But a lot of people agree with me, many people. The car has gotten so expensive because they have computers all over the place for an extra little bit of gasoline. And I’m okay with electric cars too. I think I’m all for electric cars. I’ve given big incentives for electric cars but what they’ve done in California is just crazy. Chris Wallace: (52:34)All right, Vice president Biden. I’d like you to respond to the president’s climate change record but I also want to ask you about a concern. You propose $2 trillion in green jobs. You talk about new limits, not abolishing, but new limits on fracking. Ending the use of fossil fuels to generate electricity by 2035 and zero none admission of greenhouse gases by 2050. The president says a lot of these things would tank the economy and cost millions of jobs. Vice President Joe Biden: (53:03)He’s absolutely wrong, number one. Number two, if in fact, during our administration in the recovery act, I was in charge able to bring down the cost of renewable energy to cheaper than are as cheap as coal and gas and oil. Nobody’s going to build another coal fired plant in America. No one’s going to build another oil fire plant in America. They’re going to move to renewable energy. Number one, number two, we’re going to make sure that we are able to take the federal fleet and turn it into a fleet that’s run on their electric vehicles. Making sure that we can do that, we’re going to put 500,000 charging stations in all of the highways that we’re going to be building in the future. We’re going to build a economy that in fact is going to provide for the ability of us to take 4 million buildings and make sure that they in fact are weatherized in a way that in fact will they’ll emit significantly less gas and oil because the heat will not be going out. There’s so many things that we can do… Vice President Joe Biden: (54:03)Gas and oil because the heat will not be going out. There’s so many things that we can do now to create thousands and thousands of jobs. We can get to net zero, in terms of energy production, by 2035. Not only not costing people jobs, creating jobs, creating millions of good-paying jobs. Not 15 bucks an hour, but prevailing wage, by having a new infrastructure that in fact, is green. And the first thing I will do, I will rejoin the Paris Accord. I will join the Paris Accord because with us out of it, look what’s happening. It’s all falling apart. And talk about someone who has no relationship with foreign policy. The rainforests of Brazil are being torn down, are being ripped down. More carbon is absorbed in that rainforest than every bit of carbon that’s emitted in the United States. Instead of doing something about that, I would be gathering up and making sure we had the countries of the world coming up with $20 billion, and say, “Here’s $20 billion. Stop tearing down the forest. And If you don’t, then you’re going to have significant economic consequences.” Chris Wallace: (55:11)What about the argument that President Trump basically says, that you have to balance environmental interests and economic interests? And he’s drawn his line. Vice President Joe Biden: (55:21)Well, he hasn’t drawn a line. He wants to make sure that methane’s not a problem. You can now emit more methane without it being a problem. Methane. This is a guy who says that you don’t have to have mileage standards for automobiles that exist now. This is the guy who says that, the fact that- President Donald J. Trump: (55:39)Not true. Not true- Vice President Joe Biden: (55:40)It’s all true. And here’s the deal- President Donald J. Trump: (55:42)He’s talking about the Green New Deal. And it’s not 2 billion [crosstalk 00:55:45] or 20 billion, as you said [crosstalk 00:55:46]. It’s $100 trillion. Vice President Joe Biden: (55:49)I’m talking about the Biden plan [crosstalk 00:55:51]- Chris Wallace: (55:50)Let him go for a minute, and then you can go. President Donald J. Trump: (55:52)And rebuild the building. Vice President Joe Biden: (55:53)No. President Donald J. Trump: (55:53)It’s the dumbest- Vice President Joe Biden: (55:54)That is not- President Donald J. Trump: (55:54)… most ridiculous [crosstalk 00:55:56] where two car systems are out- Vice President Joe Biden: (55:59)Not true- President Donald J. Trump: (56:00)… where they want to take out the cows too. Vice President Joe Biden: (56:01)Not true. President Donald J. Trump: (56:01)That’s not true either, right? Vice President Joe Biden: (56:03)Not true. President Donald J. Trump: (56:04)This is a 100 trillion- Vice President Joe Biden: (56:06)Simply… Look- President Donald J. Trump: (56:06)That’s more money than our country could make in 100 years [crosstalk 00:02:10]- Vice President Joe Biden: (56:09)That is simply not the case- Chris Wallace: (56:14)All right. Let me [crosstalk 00:02:12]. Wait a minute, sir. I actually have studied your plan, and it includes upgrading 4 million buildings, weatherizing 2 million homes over four years, building one and a half million energy efficient homes. So the question becomes, the president is saying, I think some people who support the president would say, that sounds like it’s going to cost a lot of money and hurt the economy. Vice President Joe Biden: (56:38)What it’s going to do, it’s going to create thousands and millions of jobs. Good paying jobs [crosstalk 00:02:41]. Chris Wallace: (56:42)Let him finish, sir. Vice President Joe Biden: (56:43)He doesn’t know how to do that- President Donald J. Trump: (56:45)100 million dollars. Vice President Joe Biden: (56:46)The fact is, it’s going to create millions of good paying jobs, and these tax incentives for people to weatherize, which he wants to get rid of. It’s going to make the economy much safer. Look how much we’re paying now to deal with the hurricanes, deal with… By the way, he has an answer for hurricanes. He said, maybe we should drop a nuclear weapon on them, and they may- President Donald J. Trump: (57:05)I never said that at all- Vice President Joe Biden: (57:06)Yeah, he did say that- President Donald J. Trump: (57:06)They made it up. Vice President Joe Biden: (57:08)And here’s the deal- President Donald J. Trump: (57:09)You make up a lot- Vice President Joe Biden: (57:10)… we’re going to be in a position where we can create hard, hard, good jobs by making sure the environment is clean, and we all are in better shape. We spend billions of dollars now, billions of dollars, on floods, hurricanes, rising seas. We’re in real trouble. Look what’s happened just in the Midwest with these storms that come through and wipe out entire sections and counties in Iowa. They didn’t happen before. They’re because of global warming. We make up 15% of the world’s problem. But the rest of the world, we’ve got to get them to come along. That’s why we have to get back into the Paris Accord. Chris Wallace: (57:52)All right, gentlemen- President Donald J. Trump: (57:52)Wait a minute, Chris. So why didn’t he do it for 47 years? You were vice president- Vice President Joe Biden: (57:56)For 47- President Donald J. Trump: (57:56)So why didn’t you get the world… China sends up real dirt into the air. Russia does. India does. They all do. We’re supposed to be good. And by the way, he made a couple of statements. The Green New Deal is a hundred trillion dollars. Vice President Joe Biden: (58:08)That is not my plan [crosstalk 00:58:10]. The Green New Deal [crosstalk 00:58:14] is not my plan. [crosstalk 00:58:15]- Chris Wallace: (58:15)Gentlemen- President Donald J. Trump: (58:16)He made a statement about the military. He said I said something about the military. He and his friends made it up, and then they went with it. I never said it. Chris Wallace: (58:23)Okay. [crosstalk 00:58:24] Mr. Vice President- President Donald J. Trump: (58:28)He called the military stupid bastards. Vice President Joe Biden: (58:28)I did not say that- President Donald J. Trump: (58:31)He said it on tape. [crosstalk 00:58:32]- Chris Wallace: (58:31)Please, sir. [crosstalk 00:58:33] Stop. President Donald J. Trump: (58:34)I would never say that [crosstalk 00:58:35]- Vice President Joe Biden: (58:35)Play it. Play it- Chris Wallace: (58:36)Stop. Go ahead- President Donald J. Trump: (58:37)You’re on tape- Chris Wallace: (58:38)Mr. Vice President answered his final question. Vice President Joe Biden: (58:41)The final question is, I can’t remember which of all his rantings [crosstalk 00:04:44]. Chris Wallace: (58:44)I’m having a little trouble myself, but… Vice President Joe Biden: (58:47)Yeah. Chris Wallace: (58:48)And about the economy and about this question of what it’s going to cost. Vice President Joe Biden: (58:52)The economy- Chris Wallace: (58:53)The Green New Deal and the idea of what your environmental changes will do- Vice President Joe Biden: (58:57)The Green New Deal will pay for itself as we move forward. We’re not going to build plants that, in fact, are great polluting plants- Chris Wallace: (59:05)So, do you support the Green New Deal? Vice President Joe Biden: (59:07)Pardon me? Chris Wallace: (59:08)Do you support the- Vice President Joe Biden: (59:08)No, I don’t support the Green New Deal. President Donald J. Trump: (59:10)Oh, you don’t? Oh, well, that’s a big statement. Vice President Joe Biden: (59:12)I support [crosstalk 00:05:13]- President Donald J. Trump: (59:13)You just lost the radical left. Vice President Joe Biden: (59:15)I support [crosstalk 00:59:17] the Biden plan that I put forward. Chris Wallace: (59:19)Okay. Vice President Joe Biden: (59:19)The Biden plan, which is different than what he calls the radical Green New Deal. Chris Wallace: (59:24)All right, gentlemen, final segment, election integrity. As we meet tonight, millions of Americans are receiving mail-in ballots or going to vote early. How confident should we be that this will be a fair election, and what are you prepared to do over the next five plus weeks? Because it will not only be to election day, but also counting some mail-in ballots after election day. What are you prepared to do to reassure the American people that the next president will be the legitimate winner of this election. In this final segment, Mr. Vice President, you go first. Vice President Joe Biden: (01:00:02)Prepare to let people vote. They should go to iwillvote.com, decide how they’re going to vote, when they’re going to vote, and what means by which they’re going to vote. His own Homeland Security director, and as well as the FBI director, says that there is no evidence at all that mail-in ballots are a source of being manipulated and cheating. They said that. The fact is that there are going to be millions of people because of COVID that are going to be voting by mail-in ballots like he does, by the way. He sits behind the Resolute Desk and sends his ballot to Florida, number one. Number two, we’re going to make sure that those people who want to vote in person are able to vote because there are enough poll watchers are there to make sure they can socially distance. The polls are open on time, and the polls stay open until the votes are counted. And this is all about trying to dissuade people from voting because he’s trying to scare people into thinking that it’s not going to be legitimate. Vice President Joe Biden: (01:00:55)Show up and vote. You will determine the outcome of this election. Vote, vote, vote. If you’re able to vote early in your state, vote early. If you’re able to vote in person, vote in person. Vote whatever way is the best way for you, because you will… He cannot stop you from being able to determine the outcome of this election. And in terms of whether or not… When the votes are counted and they’re all counted, that will be accepted. If I win, that will be accepted. If I lose, that’ll be accepted. But by the way, if in fact he says, he’s not sure what he’s going to accept. Well, let me tell you something, it doesn’t matter, because if we get the votes, it’s going to be all over. He’s going to go. He can’t stay in power. It won’t happen. It won’t happen, so vote. Just make sure you understand, you have it in your control to determine what this country is going to look like the next four years. Is it going to change, or are you going to get four more years of these lies? Chris Wallace: (01:01:52)Mr. President, two minutes. President Donald J. Trump: (01:01:53)So when I listen to Joe talking about a transition, there has been no transition from when I won. I won that election. And if you look at crooked Hillary Clinton, if you look at all of the different people, there was no transition, because they came after me trying to do a coup. They came after me spying on my campaign. They started from the day I won, and even before I won. From the day I came down the escalator with our first lady, they were a disaster. They were a disgrace to our country, and we’ve caught them. We’ve caught them all. We’ve got it all on tape. We’ve caught them all. And by the way, you gave the idea for the Logan Act against General Flynn. You better take a look at that, because we caught you in a sense, and President Obama was sitting in the office. President Donald J. Trump: (01:02:35)He knew about it too. So don’t tell me about a free transition. As far as the ballots are concerned, it’s a disaster. A solicited ballot, okay, solicited, is okay. You’re soliciting. You’re asking. They send it back. You send it back. I did that. If you have an unsolicited… They’re sending millions of ballots all over the country. There’s fraud. They found them in creeks. They found some, just happened to have the name Trump just the other day in a wastepaper basket. They’re being sent all over the place. They sent two in a Democrat area. They sent out a thousand ballots. Everybody got two ballots. This is going to be a fraud like you’ve never seen. The other thing, it’s nice. On November 3rd, you’re watching, and you see who won the election. And I think we’re going to do well because people are really happy with the job we’ve done. President Donald J. Trump: (01:03:22)But you know what? We won’t know. We might not know for months because these ballots are going to be all over. Take a look at what happened in Manhattan. Take a look at what happened in New Jersey. Take a look at what happened in Virginia and other places. They’re not losing 2%, 1%, which by the way is too much. An election could be won or lost with that. They’re losing 30 and 40%. It’s a fraud, and it’s a shame. And can you imagine where they say, “You have to have your ballot in by November 10th.” November 10th. That’s seven days after the election, in theory, should have been announced. We have major states [crosstalk 01:03:58] with that- Chris Wallace: (01:03:58)Sir. President Donald J. Trump: (01:03:58)… all run by Democrats- Chris Wallace: (01:03:59)Two minutes is two minutes. President Donald J. Trump: (01:04:00)All run by Democrats. Chris Wallace: (01:04:02)President Trump- President Donald J. Trump: (01:04:02)It’s a rigged election. Chris Wallace: (01:04:04)You’re going to be able to continue. You have been charging for months that mail-in balloting is going to be a disaster. You say it’s rigged [crosstalk 00:01:04:11], that it’s going to lead to fraud. But in 2018, in the last midterm election, 31 million people voted mail-in voting. That was more than a quarter of all the voters that year, cast their ballots by mail. Now that millions of mail-in ballots have gone out, what are you going to do about it? And are you counting on the Supreme Court, including a Justice Barrett, to settle any dispute? President Donald J. Trump: (01:04:38)Yeah. I think I’m counting on them to look at the ballots, definitely. I hope we don’t need them, in terms of the election itself. But for the ballots, I think so, because what’s happening is incredible. I read today where at least 1% of the ballots for 2016 were invalidated. They take them. We don’t like them. We don’t like them. They throw them out- Chris Wallace: (01:04:59)But what are you going to do about it- President Donald J. Trump: (01:04:59)… left and right. Chris Wallace: (01:05:00)There are millions of ballots going out right now. What are you going to do- President Donald J. Trump: (01:05:02)What you do is you go and vote. You do a solicited ballot, and that’s okay- Chris Wallace: (01:05:05)No. No. I know your complaint [crosstalk 01:05:05]. I’m asking you about the fact that millions of people have received- President Donald J. Trump: (01:05:08)You go and vote. You go and vote- Chris Wallace: (01:05:11)No. But what I’m saying is [crosstalk 01:05:11], what are you going to do about the fact that millions of people- President Donald J. Trump: (01:05:14)You either do, Chris, a solicited ballot, where you’re sending it in, they’re sending it back and you’re sending. They have mailmen with lots of it. Did you see what’s going on? Take a look at West Virginia, mailman selling the ballots. They’re being sold. They’re being dumped in rivers. This is a horrible thing for our country. Vice President Joe Biden: (01:05:30)There is no [crosstalk 01:05:32]… There is no evidence of that- President Donald J. Trump: (01:05:33)This is not going to end well. Vice President Joe Biden: (01:05:34)There is no evidence of that- President Donald J. Trump: (01:05:34)This is not going to end well- Chris Wallace: (01:05:37)Okay. Vice President Biden, in fact, go ahead, sir- Vice President Joe Biden: (01:05:37)Five states have had mail-in ballots for the last decade or more. Five, including two Republican states. And you don’t have to solicit the ballot. It’s sent to you. It’s sent to your home. What they’re saying is that it has to be a postmark by election day. If it doesn’t get in until the seventh, eighth, ninth, it still should be counted. He’s just afraid of counting the votes- President Donald J. Trump: (01:06:03)You’re wrong. You’re wrong [crosstalk 01:06:04]. I love counting the votes [crosstalk 01:06:05]- Chris Wallace: (01:06:05)I want to continue with you on this [crosstalk 01:06:06] Vice President Biden- President Donald J. Trump: (01:06:07)Chris, he’s so wrong when he makes a statement like that- Chris Wallace: (01:06:09)No. Excuse me. Vice President Biden, the biggest problem, in fact, over the years with mail-in voting has not been fraud, historically. It has been that sizable numbers, sometimes hundreds of thousands of ballots are thrown out because they have not been properly filled out, or there is some other irregularity, or they missed [crosstalk 01:06:28] the deadline. So the question I have is, are you concerned that the Supreme Court with a Justice Barrett will settle any dispute? Vice President Joe Biden: (01:06:36)I am concerned that any court would settle this, because here’s the deal. When you get a ballot and you fill it out, you’re supposed to have an affidavit. If you didn’t know, you have someone say that, this is me. You should be able to, if in fact you can verify that’s you before the ballot is thrown out, that’s sufficient to be able to count the ballot because someone made a mistake and not dotting the correct I. Who they voted for, testify, say who they voted for, say it’s you. That is totally legitimate. Chris Wallace: (01:07:09)All right. President Donald J. Trump: (01:07:10)Excuse me [crosstalk 01:07:11]- Chris Wallace: (01:07:12)No. No. No. I have a final [crosstalk 00:13:12]. Gentlemen, I have a final question [crosstalk 01:07:14]- President Donald J. Trump: (01:07:15)You know it can’t be done. You know it can’t, and already, there’s been fraud [crosstalk 01:07:19]- Vice President Joe Biden: (01:07:19)Mail service delivers [crosstalk 01:07:21] 185 million pieces of mail a day [crosstalk 01:07:24]- Chris Wallace: (01:07:24)We can keep talking. In eight states, [crosstalk 01:07:27] election workers are prohibited, currently by law, eight states, from even beginning to process ballots, even take them out of the envelopes and flatten them until election day. That means that it’s likely, because there’s going to be a huge increase in mail-in balloting, that we are not going to know on election night who the winner is, that it could be days. It could be weeks- President Donald J. Trump: (01:07:50)Could be months- Chris Wallace: (01:07:50)… until we find out who the new president is. First for you, sir. Finally, for the vice president, and I hope neither of you will interrupt the other. Will you urge your supporters to stay calm during this extended period, not to engage in any civil unrest? And will you pledge tonight that you will not declare victory until the election has been independently certified? President Trump, you go first- President Donald J. Trump: (01:08:16)I’m urging my supporters to go in to the polls and watch very carefully, because that’s what has to happen. I am urging them to do it. As you know, today there was a big problem. In Philadelphia, they went in to watch. They’re called poll watchers, a very safe, very nice thing. They were thrown out. They weren’t allowed to watch. You know why? Because bad things happen in Philadelphia. Bad things. And I am urging my people. I hope it’s going to be a fair election. If it’s a fair election- Chris Wallace: (01:08:44)You’re urging them what? President Donald J. Trump: (01:08:45)… I am 100% on board. But if I see tens of thousands of ballots being manipulated, I can’t go along with that. And I’ll tell you why- Chris Wallace: (01:08:53)What does that mean, not go along- President Donald J. Trump: (01:08:53)… from a common sense- Chris Wallace: (01:08:54)Does that mean you’re going to tell your people- President Donald J. Trump: (01:08:55)I’ll tell you what it means- Chris Wallace: (01:08:55)… to take to the streets? President Donald J. Trump: (01:08:56)It means you have a fraudulent election. You’re sending out 80 million ballots- Chris Wallace: (01:09:00)And what would you do about that? President Donald J. Trump: (01:09:01)They’re not equipped… These people aren’t equipped to handle it, number one. Number two, they cheat. They cheat. Hey, they found ballots in a wastepaper basket three days ago, and they all had the name military ballots. There were military. They all had the name Trump on them. Chris Wallace: (01:09:17)Vice President Biden- President Donald J. Trump: (01:09:17)You think that’s good? Chris Wallace: (01:09:18)Vice President Biden, final question for you. Will you urge your supporters to stay calm while the vote is counted? And will you pledge not to declare victory until the election is independently certified? Vice President Joe Biden: (01:09:30)Yes. And here’s the deal. We count the ballots, as you pointed out. Some of these ballots in some states can’t even be opened until election day. And if there’s thousands of ballots, it’s going to take time to do it. And by the way, our military… They’ve been voting by ballots since the end of the Civil War, in effect. And that’s what’s going to happen. Why is it, for them, somehow not fraudulent. It’s the same process. It’s honest. No one has established at all that there is fraud related to mail-in ballots, that somehow it’s a fraudulent process. President Donald J. Trump: (01:10:07)It’s already been established. Take a look at Carolyn Maloney’s race- Chris Wallace: (01:10:10)I asked you. You had an opportunity to respond [crosstalk 01:10:13]. Go ahead [crosstalk 01:10:14]. Vice President Biden, go ahead. Vice President Joe Biden: (01:10:15)He has no idea what he’s talking about. Here’s the deal. The fact is, I will accept it, and he will too. You know why? Because once the winner is declared after all the ballots are counted, all the votes are counted, that’ll be the end of it. That’ll be the end of it. And if it’s me, in fact, fine. If it’s not me, I’ll support the outcome. And I’ll be a president, not just for the Democrats. I’ll be a president for Democrats and Republicans. And this guy- President Donald J. Trump: (01:10:41)I want to see an honest ballot cut- Chris Wallace: (01:10:43)Gentlemen, just say that’s the end of it [crosstalk 01:10:45]. This is the end of this debate- President Donald J. Trump: (01:10:47)I want to see an honest ballot count. Chris Wallace: (01:10:48)We’re going to leave it there- President Donald J. Trump: (01:10:49)And I think he does too- Chris Wallace: (01:10:50)… to be continued in more debates as we go on. President Trump, Vice President Biden, it’s been an interesting hour and a half. I want to thank you both for participating in the first of three debates that you have agreed to engage in. We want to thank Case Western Reserve University and the Cleveland Clinic for hosting this event. The next debate, sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates, will be one week from tomorrow, October 7th, at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City. The two vice presidential nominees, Vice President Mike Pence and Senator Kamala Harris will debate at 9:00 PM Eastern that night. We hope you watch. Until then, thank you, and good night. Thank you. Transcribe Your Own Content Try Rev and save time transcribing, captioning, and subtitling. 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sep transcript presidential debate donald trump joe biden debate moderate chris wallace fox news september cleveland ohio transcribe content try rev save time transcribe captioning subtitle chris wallace evening health education campus case western reserve university cleveland clinic chris wallace fox news welcome presidential debate president donald j trump vice president joe biden debate sponsor commission presidential debate commission design format roughly minute segment minute answer candidate question open discussion rest segment campaign agree rule record decide topic question topic assure question share commission candidate chris wallace debate conduct health safety protocol design cleveland clinic serve health security advisor commission debate precaution campaign agree candidate shake hand beginning tonight debate audience hall promise remain silent cheer boos interruption importantly focus candidate noise right welcome republican nominee president trump democratic nominee vice president biden vice president joe biden man president donald j trump vice president joe biden chris wallace lot people wait night let go subject supreme court president trump nominate amy coney barrett weekend succeed late ruth bader ginsburg court constitution clear obligation senate consider nominee court vice president biden effort president republicans jam appointment abuse power question tonight right argument opponent wrong think justice barrett court president trump segment minute president donald j trump chris tell simply win election election consequence senate white house phenomenal nominee respect academic good way good way fact big endorser liberal people notre dame place think go fantastic plenty time election lot time election know think outstanding go good anybody serve court feel professor notre dame highly respect say single great student professor long time great school president donald j trump win election right choose people knowingly way democrats think difference try fast way merrick garland problem election stop probably happen reverse definitely happen reverse win election right chris chris wallace trump thank question vice president biden minute vice president joe biden thank look forward mr president president donald j trump joe vice president joe biden american people right supreme court nominee occur vote united states senator vote president united states go chance middle election election start ten thousand people vote thing happen wait wait outcome election way american people express view elect president elect vice president vice president joe biden stake president clear want rid affordable care act run run govern supreme court right try rid affordable care act strip million people have health insurance go court justice oppose justice like fine person write go bench right think affordable care act constitutional thing court strike happen woman right fundamentally change woman pay money preexisting condition pregnancy able charge woman exact procedure man get vice president joe biden end fact pass affordable care act million people preexist condition take away preexist condition insurance company go love appropriate election win election senate republican go forward wait february president donald j trump million people preexist condition far concern people okay justice ginsburg say powerfully strongly point year ago say president senate elect period time president elect year elect year elect year senate president vice president joe biden elect election president donald j trump period time period time opening elect year elect year joe million people totally wrong know get number big problem go extinguish million people private health care happy vice president joe biden simply true president donald j trump certainly go socialist go socialist medicine chris wallace open discussion vice president joe biden discussion chris wallace discussion yes agree ahead vice president vice president joe biden know propose propose expand obamacare increase wipe big debate colleague try win nomination win say biden want allow people private insurance proposal president donald j trump say party say vice president joe biden simply lie president donald j trump party party want socialist medicine socialist healthcare vice president joe biden party right democratic party president donald j trump go dominate joe know vice president joe biden democratic party right president donald j trump accord harris vice president joe biden platform democratic party fact approve approve deal deal go wipe preexist condition way mil people die watch survive seven million people contract covid mean go forward strike affordable care act president donald j trump military people die provide proper healthcare military tell vice president joe biden happy talk president donald j trump million people late draw want ban china heavily infect want ban europe chris wallace right gentleman mr president president donald j trump later joe later chris wallace president president donald j trump talk million people vice president joe biden go able shut chris wallace president moderator go talk covid segment ahead vice president joe biden finish point president oppose roe v wade ballot court court stake right election president donald j trump know ballot ballot ballot ballot vice president joe biden ballot court president donald j trump think vice president joe biden court president donald j trump happen vice president joe biden quiet minute president donald j trump know view roe v wade know view chris wallace right right let talk get lot unpack gentleman get lot time healthcare come roe v wade vice president joe biden right chris wallace president supreme court hear case week election trump administration state attorney general seek overturn obamacare end obamacare president donald j trump right chris wallace spend week president donald j trump want good healthcare chris wallace ask question sir vice president joe biden healthcare chris wallace year promise repeal replace obamacare year come plan comprehensive plan replace obamacare president donald j trump course individual mandate chris wallace finish go opportunity president donald j trump get rid individual mandate big chunk obamacare chris wallace comprehensive place president donald j trump absolutely big thing bad obamacare chris wallace ask sir president donald j trump bad obamacare chris wallace debate let ask question president donald j trump ask joe individual mandate unpopular aspect obamacare chris wallace president president donald j trump get rid protect people chris wallace president moderator debate like let ask question answer president donald j trump ahead chris wallace course year come comprehensive plan replace obamacare thursday sign largely symbolic executive order protect people preexist condition day debate question sir trump healthcare plan president donald j trump guess debate okay surprised let tell symbolic cut drug price go favor nation president courage go big pharma drug price come year period government cut healthcare chris wallace preexist condition president donald j trump thing vice president joe biden healthcare president donald j trump example insulin destroy family destroy people cost get cheap like water want know truth cheap look drug prescription drug price go allow governor country buy drug pay tiny fraction chris wallace like open discussion president donald j trump big stuff chris wallace happy pick point ask vice president point like add public option obamacare vice president joe biden chris wallace argument make republicans go end private insurance vice president joe biden chris wallace start ask question president donald j trump party say way chris wallace end private insurance create government takeover health vice president joe biden people poor qualify medicaid free state governor want deny people poor medicaid qualify medicare excuse medicaid automatically enrol public option vast majority american people option number number president donald j trump agree bernie sander far leave manifesto give socialized medicine vice president joe biden hey president donald j trump say agree vice president joe biden go listen fact matter beat bernie sanders president donald j trump vice president joe biden beat hell lot president donald j trump vice president joe biden stand face old buddy president donald j trump pocahonta leave day early lose primary vice president joe biden know president donald j trump super tuesday get lucky vice president joe biden deal get lucky go lucky tonight president donald j trump vice president joe biden tonight go sure president donald j trump vice president joe biden deal deal fact say far simply lie lie everybody know liar president donald j trump agree joe liar graduate class class vice president joe biden want sure chris wallace president let finish sir vice president joe biden know president donald j trump surprise surprised ahead joe vice president joe biden wrong guy wrong night wrong time president donald j trump agree bernie sander manifesto vice president joe biden manifesto number chris wallace let speak mr president vice president joe biden president donald j trump lose left vice president joe biden president donald j trump lose left agree bernie sander plan absolutely agree plan crosstalk socialized medicine chris wallace president vice president joe biden tell help people need healthcare president donald j trump bernie vice president joe biden fact cost million people healthcare employer recession number number million people get healthcare obamacare want away will look eye want away president donald j trump want well healthcare low price obamacare good vice president joe biden know know president donald j trump fix vice president joe biden offer plan president donald j trump fix extent obamacare know probably obamacare good chris wallace realize speak time let president ahead sir president donald j trump good well choice early take away individual mandate guarantee preexist condition take away individual mandate listen way destroy obamacare choice let people run badly run badly probably blame blame importantly want help people okay say get run meeting say problem matter run obamacare disaster expensive premium high work want rid chris want rid cheap well chris wallace understand sir roughly equal time president donald j trump ahead chris wallace let vice president talk sir president donald j trump vice president joe biden plan healthcare president donald j trump course chris wallace vice president joe biden send wishful thinking executive order power lower drug cost anybody promise healthcare plan get elect like talk plan plan fact man know talk crosstalk chris wallace right final question vice president joe biden chris wallace vice president senate republicans talk originally supreme court senate republicans ahead confirm justice barrett talk end filibuster pack court add justice distraction president fact bring president bring democratic colleague congress question refuse past talk willing tell american tonight support end filibuster pack court vice president joe biden position issue issue american people speak vote vote vote let senator know strongly feel president donald j trump go pack court vice president joe biden president donald j trump go pack court vice president joe biden sure fact let people know senator president donald j trump want answer question vice president joe biden go answer question president donald j trump answer question want lot new supreme court justice radical leave vice president joe biden shut man president donald j trump list joe list chris wallace think end vice president joe biden unpresidential president donald j trump go pack court go list chris wallace end segment go second segment vice president joe biden productive segment yap man president donald j trump people understand joe vice president joe biden sure president donald j trump year understand chris wallace right second subject awfully subject let try seven million case coronavirus united states people die produce vaccine expert month year come approach normal question base say far say start american people trust opponent deal public health crisis go forward case question go sir minute uninterrupted vice president joe biden luck dead say seven million infect united states fact world population death people day contract covid addition people day die present number say president plan lay know way february crisis know deadly disease tape acknowledge know say tell people warning want panic american people panic panic addition vice president joe biden go insist people ground china able wuhan determine dangerous ask xi president donald j trump vice president joe biden tell great job xi say owe debt gratitude transparent wait wait wait plan president donald j trump chris wallace minute president donald j trump wrong vice president joe biden lay march exactly lay july provide protective gear possible provide money house pass order able people help need business open open school cost lot money bunker sand trap golf course oval office bring democrats republicans fund need save life president donald j trump listen chris wallace wait minute sir president donald j trump listen country leave wide open million people die person china fault happen stop go china fault way talk number know people die china know people die russia know people die india exactly straight count understand look close say xenophobic racist xenophobic think close country wait minute chris wallace minute president donald j trump think close country think terrible close month early fact dr fauci say president trump save thousand life democrat governor say president trump phenomenal job work governor oh look governor say phenomenal job say fact people necessarily say president trump phenomenal job get gown get mask ventilator ventilator week away vaccine therapeutic few people die sick far few people die great job president donald j trump thing good job fake news matter bad press fake news good press bad press way unfortunately let care get tell joe job blood joe vice president joe biden know job know job president donald j trump swine flu disaster chief staff say disaster vice president joe biden people die president donald j trump far lethal disease way chris wallace point let answer vice president joe biden shut economy economy shut reason shut look folk home get morning chair kitchen table die covid situation lose mom dad speak nurse hold phone fact goodbye president donald j trump lose far people far people month late month joe vice president joe biden cdc director say lose people end year say wear mask save half number mask way term notion vaccine vaccine trust know trust scientist president donald j trump trust johnson johnson pfizer chris wallaceokay gentleman gentleman let question future touch question go ask focus future president trump repeatedly contradict odd government scientist week head center disease control dr redfield say summer vaccine generally available public say confused mistaken word dr slaoui head operation warp speed say exactly thing wrong president donald j trump speak company lot soon political thing people like political save life vice president joe biden president donald j trump political thing speak pfizer speak people speak moderna johnson johnson fast lot political left know leave know chris wallace suggest head operation warp speed dr slaoui president donald j trump disagree disagree say soon office day ago chris wallace talk summer sir generally available like dr redfield president donald j trump say possibility answer november chris wallace talk generally available president donald j trump go deliver right away military set logistically set military deliver soldier day go deliver vice president joe biden man tell president donald j trump set vice president joe biden easter go away warm weather go miraculous like miracle way maybe inject bleach arm care man president donald j trump say sarcastically know say sarcastically vice president joe biden deal man talk vaccine company talk maybe have vaccine end year distribution vaccine occur beginning middle year vaccine pray god pray god chris wallace vice president want pick president donald j trump vaccine soon chris wallace want pick question public trust scientist trust president trump fact say tonight running mate senator harris go say public health expert quote muzzle suppress give fact poll people concerned vaccine reluctant running mate senator harris contribute fear vice president joe biden question ask point put pressure disagree scientist chris wallace say vice president joe biden know chris wallace senator harris say trust scientist vice president joe biden trust scientist trust chris wallace say public health expert quote muzzle suppress vice president joe biden go try thousand scientist like great hospital work job depend people way president donald j trump speak scientist charge vice president joe biden way president donald j trump vaccine soon chris wallace finish vice president joe biden believe moment tell light lie tell issue relate covid acknowledge know happen know dangerous go february tell record say panic look stock market guess lot people die lot go die get lot smart lot quick chris wallace president president donald j trump use word smart say go delaware state forget college delaware state graduate low low class use word smart use word vice president joe biden break president donald j trump know smart joe year vice president joe biden let debate president donald j trump tell joe charge close great economy history country way build go fast chris wallace economy segment sir president donald j trump go fast look forward talk chris wallace come virus handle far take different approach go affect virus handle go forward whichever end president want quickly reopening vice president biden reluctant president trump reopen economy school sir vice president joe biden plan run know plan get provide business ability money able reopen ppe sanitation need provide classic president donald j trump nancy pelosi vice president joe biden shush minute president donald j trump nancy pelosi schumer crosstalk chuck vice president joe biden pelosi schumer plan will meet republicans will meet senate sit golf course mean literally think think president donald j trump probably play joe chris wallace question reopening fact president donald j trump want shut country want open great thing shut vice president joe biden admit shut president donald j trump minute joe let shut second joe second want shut country go know disease find elderly people heart problem diabete different problem vulnerable learn lot young child young people learn lot want shut people hurt continue look pennsylvania look certain state shut democrat governor reason shut want shut election november chris wallace right want president donald j trump political thing chris wallace want subject vice president joe biden get respond chris wallace want president donald j trump state chris wallace want subject president donald j trump state shut right vice president joe biden get respond president donald j trump want shut country chris wallace trump begin increasingly question effectiveness mask disease preventer fact recently cite issue waiter touch mask touching plate question efficacy mask president donald j trump think mask okay understand look mean mask right mask think need tonight example everybody test social distancing thing wear mask vice president joe biden like rally president donald j trump need need wear mask chris wallace let ask president donald j trump wear mask like time get mask speak foot away show big mask see chris wallace president biden ahead sir vice president joe biden way open business wherewithal able open provide money chris wallace ask sir mask vice president joe biden mask big difference head cdc say wear mask everybody wear mask social distance january probably save life matter matter president donald j trump say opposite say vice president joe biden person say opposite person chris wallace want ask president donald j trump fauci dr fauci say opposite vice president joe biden opposite chris wallace want ask get little minute leave segment president donald j trump say strongly mask good change mind say mask good chris wallace want ask president donald j trump okay mask fight mask chris wallace want ask subject different approach affect way campaign president trump hold large rally crowd pack thousand people president donald j trump chris wallace yes sir agree vice president biden hold small event president donald j trump chris wallace people mask president donald j trump true show rally chris wallace right case hold big rally sir president donald j trump people want hear mean chris wallace worried spread disease president donald j trump job president people airport use airport hanger lot people chris wallace worried disease issue sir president donald j trump far problem whatsoever outside big difference accord expert outside tremendous crowd literally hour notice joe circle people someplace vice president joe biden way big rally reporter come ask question say stand mask mask test way far away people say go okay worried worried people crosstalk president donald j trump negative effect vice president joe biden negative effect come president donald j trump negative effect people rally chris wallace right want quickly finish want vice president joe biden totally irresponsible way handle social distancing people wear mask basically encourage fool president donald j trump crowd thing care chris wallace president donald j trump care chris wallace economy president donald j trump chris wallace economy think fair recover fast expect shutdown president donald j trump fast chris wallace second quarter unemployment rate fall month federal reserve say hit growth go go nearly big expect president trump vshape recovery vice president biden kshape difference mean american people term economy president trump segment president donald j trump build great economy history close china plague plague come close hard psychologically think close wrong million people dead instead people person happen china happen close reopen record business million people month period workforce record like see want close shut destroy country president donald j trump lot people drug alcohol depression start shut look happen democratrun state tough shutdown tell want open come week see oh go open november november election think hurt keep closed hurt people people know social distance wash hand wear mask want get open state president donald j trump look north carolina look governor siege pennsylvania michigan couple get open state fair talk like prison look go divorce look go alcoholism drug sad thing close country guy close country destroy country country come incredibly set record need somebody come let shut chris wallace right minute sir move say pose question president say vshape recovery kshape recovery difference vice president joe biden difference millionaire billionaire like middle covid crisis billionaire billion profligate tax proposal focus market folk home folk live scranton claymont small town work class town america guy pay total taxis president donald j trump wrong chris wallace wait sir president donald j trump chris wallace understand agree minute let vice president joe biden time fact fact work way go president united states leave office have few job administration president few job president american history vice president joe biden people lose job people line people save life people die people put way sure try idea insist forward open half state america significant increase covid death covid case united states america want open want open care fix economy fix covid crisis intention make well home term health safety vice president joe biden school open cost lot money open safely go administration go teacher school student mask decide national emergency national emergency help small business close go ought job care need american people open safely chris wallace right time sir go president donald j trump respond chris wallace minute sir president donald j trump statement chris wallace president donald j trump people want school open want shut want state shut want restaurant look new york sad happen new york like ghost town sure recover new york people want place open want life vice president joe biden want safe president donald j trump careful want school open vice president joe biden want safe president donald j trump bring football way bring big football happy chris wallace right let president donald j trump people ohio proud know find crosstalk chris wallace go economic plan go forward moment mr president know new report year elect president year president pay year federal income tax year know pay lot taxis ask specific question true pay federal income taxis year president donald j trump pay million dollar taxis million dollar income tax let tell story paper pay vice president joe biden tax return president donald j trump pay million year pay million year vice president joe biden tax return president donald j trump soon finish know want board election page report say bank totally leveraged asset extremely good build great company chris wallace ask specific question president donald j trump let tell chris wallace understand vice president joe biden tax return chris wallace understand president donald j trump chris wallace mr president ask question tell pay federal income taxis president donald j trump dollar chris wallace pay million dollar president donald j trump dollar yes chris wallace president donald j trump dollar vice president joe biden inshallah president donald j trump let tell vice president joe biden crosstalk president donald j trump let tax law want pay tax come private developer private business people like private person stupid law pass tax bill give privilege depreciation tax credit build building tax credit like hotel pennsylvania avenue way give obama administration believe man get fire right happen chris wallace president biden want respond vice president joe biden want respond look tax code position pay tax money school teacher make say smart advantage tax code advantage tax code go eliminate trump tax cut go eliminate tax cut president donald j trump okay vice president joe biden sure invest people fact need help people need help president donald j trump year vice president joe biden president president donald j trump year vice president joe biden president screw thing president donald j trump senator crosstalk vice president joe biden bad president america come president donald j trump joe let tell joe month year joe thing think chris wallace gentleman president donald j trump fix broken military give include take care debt chris wallace president talk economy like ask plan go forward mr vice president economic plan president donald j trump chris wallace elect president focus lot big government big taxis big spending want focus taxis propose trillion decade new taxis individual make year chris wallace individual make year corporation president trump say kind increase taxis go hurt economy come recession vice president joe biden look analysis wall street firm point economic plan create million job year number number create additional trillion economic growth buy american federal government spend billion year ship steel building like proposal go sure penny company chris wallace respectfully sir talk taxis spend vice president joe biden way go eliminate significant number taxis go corporate tax company federal mean fortune pay single penny tax make billion dollar president donald j trump vice president obama vice president joe biden fact pass tax proposal president donald j trump get know happen vice president joe biden get president donald j trump economy boom like boom vice president joe biden economy chris wallace president vice president joe biden finish chris wallace president let pick continue free market approach low taxis deregulation correct vice president joe biden low tax american people chris wallace let president donald j trump chris wallace talk economy boom turn obama final year president job create million half job year presidency president donald j trump slow economic recovery slow recovery take turn light pick lot slow economic recovery let tell stock market stock market go mean job mean get president idea want terminate taxis tell lose half company pour leave plenty company leave place crosstalk leave depression like see vice president joe biden chris wallace vice president vice president joe biden inherit bad recession short depression american history ask bring able economic recovery create job talk hand booming economy blow president donald j trump bloom vice president joe biden blow president donald j trump boom weak recovery chris wallace wait fair blow fact president donald j trump covid come chris wallace record low unemployment covid vice president joe biden covid manufacturing go hole manufacturing go hole president donald j trump chris wait vice president joe biden number number president donald j trump vice president joe biden president donald j trump say number vice president joe biden president donald j trump chris say vice president joe biden guy president donald j trump miracle bring manufacturing bring job bring give manufacture vice president joe biden crosstalk president donald j trump standard fare vice president joe biden guy bring automobile industry president donald j trump totally give manufacture chris wallace right let vice president joe biden ask bring chrysler general motor bring right state ohio michigan blow go blow fact go president donald j trump good year year michigan good year vice president joe biden true president donald j trump car company come germany japan go michigan go ohio come crosstalk chris wallace vice president ahead vice president joe biden look actually little trade deal way talk great trade deal talk art deal china perfect art steel high deficit china high trade deficit president donald j trump eat lunch crosstalk vice president joe biden mexico president donald j trump eat lunch joe wonder son go take billion dollar take billion dollar manage make million dollar curiosity mayor moscow wife give son half million dollar vice president joe biden true president donald j trump deserve vice president joe biden true president donald j trump deserve chris wallace ask question let answer vice president joe biden true president donald j trump half million chris wallace president vice president joe biden totally chris wallace president ask question crosstalk vice president joe biden discredit totally discredited way president donald j trump wait half million dollar joe vice president joe biden vice president donald j trump get half million chris wallace president president donald j trump dollar vice president joe biden true president donald j trump chris wallace president open discussion crosstalk president donald j trump fact vice president joe biden fact chris wallace raise issue let vice president answer vice president joe biden totally discredit president donald j trump burisma pay month experience energy chris wallace president vice president joe biden son wrong barisma president donald j trump think chris wallace president let answer crosstalk vice president joe biden want let answer know truth position totally thoroughly discredit president donald j trump vice president joe biden president donald j trump medium vice president joe biden everybody medium ally president donald j trump medium refuse talk vice president joe biden world bank president donald j trump embarrassed vice president joe biden discredit matter fact crosstalk matter fact chris wallace president stop vice president joe biden people testify oath president donald j trump let ask joe crosstalk chris wallace ahead listen vice president joe biden people president donald j trump get half million dollar moscow vice president joe biden testify oath administration say job president donald j trump vice president joe biden honorably president donald j trump like know vice president joe biden list people president donald j trump fire chris wallace ahead sir vice president joe biden sure fire good job president donald j trump people good job vice president joe biden crosstalk chris wallace ahead crosstalk wait minute final word mr vice president joe biden hard word clown excuse person president donald j trump let tell joe vice president joe biden mr president crosstalk president donald j trump half million joe vice president joe biden simply true president donald j trump deserve half million moscow vice president joe biden deal want talk family ethic want mean family talk night family president donald j trump family chris wallace crosstalk president donald j trump family lose fortune come help governance vice president joe biden crosstalk chris wallace president president donald j trump single lose fortune vice president joe biden family family family american people crosstalk true want talk need american people talk crosstalk chris wallace end segment move vice president joe biden chris wallace president president donald j trump honest important question vice president joe biden honest chris wallace president donald j trump stand chris wallace answer question president donald j trump threaten ukraine chris wallace president donald j trump billion dollar vice president joe biden absolutely true chris wallace crosstalk gentleman hate raise voice crosstalk different deal vice president joe biden good point chris wallace segment end segment go segment segment go uninterrupted moment interrupted minute mr president want go ask question race want answer ahead think country well serve allow people speak few interruption appeal sir president donald j trump chris wallace frankly interrupting president donald j trump right plenty chris wallace sir president donald j trump plenty chris wallace let continue issue rice vicepresident biden president trump response violence charlottesville year ago talk fine people side directly lead launch run president president donald j trump yeah sure chris wallace trump say believe black americans president possible exception abraham lincoln president donald j trump true chris wallace question voter trust opponent deal race issue face country year vice president biden vice president joe biden equity equality decency constitution walk away try require equity equality america accomplish walk away like true reason get race people close eye remember people look like come field carry torch vein bulge spew antisemitic bile accompany ku klux klan young woman get kill ask president think say fine people side president say like crosstalk chris wallace vice president joe biden chris wallace minute sir vice president joe biden second point floyd kill mr floyd kill peaceful protest white house come bunker military use tear gas walk church hold bible happen bishop church say disgrace general say want divide people unite people president dog whistle try generate racist hatre racist division vice president joe biden man fact talk help africanamerican african americans kill coronavirus quickly end year kill african americans man savior africanamericans man care man virtually look fact look talk look disastrous africanamerican community president donald j trump chris wallace trump minute americans trust opponent deal race issue president donald j trump crime bill super predator africanamerican super predator forget forget vice president joe biden say chris wallace sir minute president donald j trump super predator let people jail treat africanamerican population community treat black community bad anybody country look poll well republican long time see super predator call bad look testimony year call lot bad far church concern far general concern get support military leader general total support law enforcement law enforcement group united states florida texas ohio excuse portland sheriff come today say support president trump president donald j trump think law enforcement word law enforcement word go lose radical left supporter say word joe word law enforcement know call portland fire half hour will run radical left democrats look chicago look place want look seattle hear come follow day hand get seattle minneapolis get joe believe law order city city run democrat case radical left get wrap finger joe point want law order tell people country want demand law order afraid chris wallace right want return question race vice president biden grand jury breonna taylor case decide charge police homicide say raise question justice equally apply america believe separate unequal system justice black country vice president joe biden systemic injustice country education work law enforcement way enforce look vast majority police officer good decent honorable man woman risk life day care bad apple occur find sort hold accountable hold accountable go president united states entire group people white house civil right group police officer police chief go work vice president joe biden go work change way transparency thing happen cop happy happen george floyd cop happy happen breonna taylor like system people hold accountable way violence response appropriate appropriate peaceful protest violence appropriate chris wallace right mr president donald j trump peaceful protest run middle town chris wallace trump president donald j trump burn store kill people place crosstalk vice president joe biden peaceful protest president donald j trump chris wallace trump like continue issue race promise go issue law order moment president donald j trump chris wallace month administration direct federal agency end racial sensitivity training address white privilege critical race theory decide end racial sensitivity training believe systemic racism country sir president donald j trump end racist end lot people complain ask thing absolutely insane radical revolution take place military school place know everybody know crosstalk chris wallace radical racial sensitivity training president donald j trump certain person status life sort reversal look people pay people hundred thousand dollar teach bad idea frankly sick idea teach people hate country go go allow happen core value country teach people country horrible place racist place teach people hate country go allow happen chris wallace president biden vice president joe biden racist president donald j trump know vice president joe biden deal know lot crosstalk chris wallace finish vice president joe biden fact racial insensitivity people aware people feel like insult demean important people know people want hurt people feeling make big difference make gigantic difference way child able grow sense selfesteem little bit like guy friend look people look nose people like irish catholic like grow scranton look people money look people different faith look people different color fact americans way go bring country bring everybody defeat racism american chris wallace president mean president trump sir president donald j trump obamabiden administration tremendous division hatred look ferguson look place look oakland look happen oakland look happen baltimore look happen frankly violent see vice president joe biden lord president donald j trump reason vice president joe biden ridiculous president donald j trump democrats run city vice president joe biden ridiculous president donald j trump want talk like law order vice president joe biden crime president donald j trump mention favor law order vice president joe biden favor law crosstalk president donald j trump favor law order crosstalk chris wallace ask question let finish crosstalk let answer vice president joe biden order justice people treat fairly president donald j trump vice president joe biden fact matter violent crime go administration go watch president donald j trump go chris wallace right crosstalk mr president go happy go talk law order president donald j trump place trouble democratic run city chris wallace exactly question dramatic increase homicide america summer particularly blame democratic mayor democratic governor fact equivalent spike republican lead city like tulsa fort worth question chris wallace like tulsa fort worth question party issue president donald j trump think party issue bring couple example look chicago go chicago people shoot die shot look new york go like see number go crime crazy go want law order lose radical left supporter get run country run way want run way suburb go problem like see vice president joe biden know suburb take wrong turn president donald j trump know suburb chris wallace wait minute vice president joe biden raise suburb dog whistle racism work anymore suburb large integrate people today drive kid soccer practice andor black white hispanic car time past threat suburb safety failure deal covid die suburb failure deal environment flood burn refusal suburb trouble chris wallace want talk issue law order joint recommendation come bidenbernie sander task force talk quote reimagine policing reimagine policing mean support finish question reimagine policing mean support black life matter community control police vice president joe biden support police have opportunity deal problem face totally oppose defunde police office matter fact police local police defunde budget call million cut local law enforcement assistance need assistance need psychologist psychiatrist have use force able talk people community police like officer know people community crime go go president donald j trump talk talk defunde police vice president joe biden true president donald j trump law support law enforcement vice president joe biden true president donald j trump oh group support group come support ahead think time vice president joe biden time president donald j trump think right law enforcement group come support chris wallace gentleman think go tell go line president donald j trump chris wallace want subject issue protest city turn violent portland oregon especially straight day protest think agree talk peaceful protest turn riot mr vicepresident people commit crime hold accountable question democratic nominee early tonight say democratic party right call democratic mayor portland democratic governor oregon say hey got stop bring national guard take stop day month violence portland vice president joe biden hold public office vice president clear clear public statement violence prosecute prosecute commit prosecute chris wallace call people president donald j trump chris wallace sir call leader portland oregon bring national guard knock day riot vice president joe biden fact care stay way president donald j trump send marshall killer young man middle street shoot day portland send marshal take care business chris wallace ahead sir vice president joe biden way spokesperson say riot chaos violence help cause president donald j trump know say vice president joe biden president donald j trump vice president joe biden think kellyanne conway president donald j trump think say vice president joe biden say president donald j trump think vice president joe biden point point keep try rile want calm thing instead go talk people say let everybody figure deal pour gasoline fire constantly single solitary time chris wallace end button segment go minute answer sir repeatedly criticize president donald j trump mean answer stuff chris wallace repeatedly president donald j trump second statement chris wallace talk forth ask president donald j trump love end chris wallace know sir want switch seat quickly president donald j trump send national guard problem want accept national guard chris wallace repeatedly criticize vice president specifically call antifa left wing extremist group willing tonight condemn white supremacist militia group need stand add violence number city see kenosha see portland president donald j trump chris wallace prepare specifically president donald j trump left wing right wing chris wallace say president donald j trump willing want peace chris wallace sir vice president joe biden president donald j trump want ahead want condemn chris wallace supremacist rightwe militia vice president joe biden boys president donald j trump boy stand stand tell somebody get antifa left right wing problem left wing vice president joe biden fbi director say unlike white supremacist antifa idea organization president donald j trump get kid vice president joe biden militia fbi director say president donald j trump know wrong chris wallace sir move crosstalk president donald j trump bad vice president joe biden body administration tell truth bad idea idea president donald j trump know antifa dangerous radical group chris wallace right gentleman move trumpbiden record president donald j trump ought careful throw chris wallace go ask question president seek second term generally referendum record vice president biden like quote dad saying compare almighty compare alternative case sir alternative look record go ask voter elect president opponent segment president trump minute president donald j trump administration president period half year despite impeachment hoax happen today hillary clinton big con job despite go thing fight flank administration great covid come great economy history low unemployment number good go president donald j trump way unity go happen people call time year call say time maybe happen get hit build rebuilding military include space force thing fixing va mess people die proper health care mess get approval rating va vet care vet rebuild military tell people maybe important end term approximately federal judge court appeal judge hopefully great supreme court judge justice record like people reason judge president obama leave judge fill president donald j trump leave office leave judge like leave opening member party little different philosophy leave opening good president good vice president want thank give probably number end term judge record chris wallace record voter elect president oppose president trump minute uninterrupted vice president joe biden president weak sicker poor divided violent vice president inherit recession ask fix leave booming economy cause recession regard weak fact go head head putin clear go stuff putin puppy refuse putin bounty head american soldier president donald j trump son get half million dollar vice president joe biden way son chris wallace minute mr president campaign agree side minute answer uninterrupte agree observe campaign agree ground rule okay sir vice president joe biden keep word chris wallace rhetorical question vice president joe biden second chris wallace ahead vice president joe biden thirdly poor billionaire get wealthy tune billion covid home get trouble term violent office violence america today president united states watch regard divide nation stay divided way speak son way talk military way talk loser sucker son iraq spend year get brown star get conspicuous service medal loser patriot people leave hero president donald j trump vice president joe biden resent president donald j trump talk hunter talk hunter vice president joe biden talk son beau biden talk hunter president donald j trump know beau know hunter hunter get throw military throw dishonorably discharge vice president joe biden true dishonorably discharge president donald j trump cocaine use job vice president vice president joe biden true president donald j trump vice president fortune ukraine china moscow place vice president joe biden true president donald j trump fortune job vice president joe biden son like lot people home drug problem overtake fix work proud proud son president donald j trump give ten million dollar vice president joe biden give ten million dollar crosstalk discredit chris wallace think american people hear substantial subject moderator sir go judgment president donald j trump know somebody get half million dollar mayor moscow vice president joe biden true report totally discredited president donald j trump vice president joe biden romney committee say worth taxpayer money report write political reason chris wallace like talk climate change vice president joe biden chris wallace forest fire west rage burn million acre displace hundred thousand people state official blame fire climate change mr president say think science know year pull paris climate accord roll number obama environmental record believe science climate change year confront president donald j trump want crystal clean water air want beautiful clean air low carbon look number right phenomenally destroy business business commission look paris accord disaster standpoint people actually happy go business far fire concern need forest management addition forest floor load tree dead tree year old like tinder leave drop cigarette forest burn get forest management chris wallace believe science climate change sir president donald j trump believe immaculate air immaculate water good plant billion tree billion tree project exciting lot people chris wallace believe human pollution gas greenhouse gas emission contribute global warming planet president donald j trump think lot thing think extent yes think extent yes think well management forest year california burn california burning clean forest management good forest management get call europe live forest city forest city maintain forest manage forest head major country forest city say sir tree far ignite easy california problem speak governor get governor say point year hundred thousand acre land burn ground burn lack management chris wallace sir believe science climate change roll obama clean power plan limit carbon emission power plant relax president donald j trump drive energy price sky vice president joe biden relaxed fuel economy standard go create pollution car truck president donald j trump happen car expensive safe car talk tiny difference happen cost car double triple number car purchase old slug year old car safe cheap chris wallace case california simply ignore president donald j trump lot car market people able afford car way go turn lot people agree people car get expensive computer place extra little bit gasoline okay electric car think electric car give big incentive electric car california crazy chris wallace right vice president biden like respond president climate change record want ask concern propose trillion green job talk new limit abolish new limit fracke end use fossil fuel generate electricity zero admission greenhouse gas president say lot thing tank economy cost million job vice president joe biden absolutely wrong number number fact administration recovery act charge able bring cost renewable energy cheap cheap coal gas oil go build coal fire plant america go build oil fire plant america go renewable energy number number go sure able federal fleet turn fleet run electric vehicle make sure go charge station highway go build future go build economy fact go provide ability million building sure fact weatherize way fact emit significantly gas oil heat go thing vice president joe biden oil heat go thing create thousand thousand job net zero term energy production cost people job create job create million goodpaying job buck hour prevail wage have new infrastructure fact green thing rejoin paris accord join paris accord look happen fall apart talk relationship foreign policy rainforest brazil tear rip carbon absorb rainforest bit carbon emit united states instead gather make sure country world come billion billion stop tear forest go significant economic consequence chris wallace argument president trump basically say balance environmental interest economic interest draw line vice president joe biden draw line want sure methane problem emit methane problem methane guy say mileage standard automobile exist guy say fact president donald j trump true true vice president joe biden true deal president donald j trump talk green new deal billion crosstalk billion say crosstalk trillion vice president joe biden talk biden plan crosstalk chris wallace minute president donald j trump rebuild building vice president joe biden president donald j trump dumb vice president joe biden president donald j trump ridiculous crosstalk car system vice president joe biden true president donald j trump want cow vice president joe biden true president donald j trump true right vice president joe biden true president donald j trump trillion vice president joe biden look president donald j trump money country year crosstalk vice president joe biden simply case chris wallace right let crosstalk wait minute sir actually study plan include upgrade million building weatherize million home year build half million energy efficient home question president say think people support president sound like go cost lot money hurt economy vice president joe biden go go create thousand million job good pay job crosstalk chris wallace finish sir vice president joe biden know president donald j trump million dollar vice president joe biden fact go create million good pay job tax incentive people weatherize want rid go economy safe look pay deal hurricane deal way answer hurricane say maybe drop nuclear weapon president donald j trump say vice president joe biden president donald j trump vice president joe biden deal president donald j trump lot vice president joe biden go position create hard hard good job make sure environment clean well shape spend billion dollar billion dollar flood hurricane rise sea real trouble look happen midwest storm come wipe entire section county iowa happen global warming world problem rest world get come paris accord chris wallace right gentleman president donald j trump minute chris year vice president vice president joe biden president donald j trump world china send real dirt air russia india suppose good way couple statement green new deal trillion dollar vice president joe biden plan crosstalk green new deal crosstalk plan crosstalk chris wallace president donald j trump statement military say say military friend go say chris wallace crosstalk mr vice president president donald j trump call military stupid bastard vice president joe biden president donald j trump say tape crosstalk chris wallace sir crosstalk stop president donald j trump crosstalk vice president joe biden play chris wallace ahead president donald j trump tape chris wallace vice president answer final question vice president joe biden final question remember ranting crosstalk chris wallace have little trouble vice president joe biden chris wallace economy question go cost vice president joe biden economy chris wallace green new deal idea environmental change vice president joe biden green new deal pay forward go build plant fact great pollute plant chris wallace support green new deal vice president joe biden chris wallace support vice president joe biden support green new deal president donald j trump oh big statement vice president joe biden support crosstalk president donald j trump lose radical left vice president joe biden support crosstalk biden plan forward chris wallace vice president joe biden biden plan different call radical green new deal chris wallace right gentlemen final segment election integrity meet tonight million americans receive mailin ballot go vote early confident fair election prepared plus week election day count mailin ballot election day prepared reassure american people president legitimate winner election final segment mr vice president vice president joe biden let people vote iwillvotecom decide go vote go vote mean go vote homeland security director fbi director say evidence mailin ballot source manipulate cheat say fact go million people covid go vote mailin ballot like way sit resolute desk send ballot florida number number go sure people want vote person able vote poll watcher sure socially distance poll open time poll stay open vote count try dissuade people vote try scare people think go legitimate vice president joe biden vote determine outcome election vote vote vote able vote early state vote early able vote person vote person vote way good way stop able determine outcome election term vote count count accept win accept lose accept way fact say sure go accept let tell matter vote go go stay power will happen will happen vote sure understand control determine country go look like year go change go year lie chris wallace president minute president donald j trump listen joe talk transition transition win win election look crooked hillary clinton look different people transition come try coup come spy campaign start day win win day come escalator lady disaster disgrace country catch catch get tape catch way give idea logan act general flynn well look catch sense president obama sit office president donald j trump know tell free transition far ballot concern disaster solicit ballot okay solicit okay solicit ask send send unsolicited send million ballot country fraud find creek find happen trump day wastepaper basket send place send democrat area send thousand ballot everybody get ballot go fraud like see thing nice november watch win election think go people happy job president donald j trump know will know know month ballot go look happen manhattan look happen new jersey look happen virginia place lose way election win lose lose fraud shame imagine ballot november november seven day election theory announce major state crosstalk chris wallace president donald j trump run democrats chris wallace minute minute president donald j trump run democrats chris wallace trump president donald j trump rig election chris wallace go able continue charge month mailin balloting go disaster rig crosstalk go lead fraud midterm election million people vote mailin voting quarter voter year cast ballot mail million mailin ballot go go count supreme court include justice barrett settle dispute president donald j trump think count look ballot definitely hope need term election ballot think happen incredible read today ballot invalidate like like throw chris wallace go president donald j trump leave right chris wallace million ballot go right go president donald j trump vote solicit ballot okay chris wallace know complaint crosstalk ask fact million people receive president donald j trump vote vote chris wallace say crosstalk go fact million people president donald j trump chris solicit ballot send send send mailman lot go look west virginia mailman sell ballot sell dump river horrible thing country vice president joe biden crosstalk evidence president donald j trump go end vice president joe biden evidence president donald j trump go end chris wallace vice president biden fact ahead sir vice president joe biden state mailin ballot decade include republican state solicit ballot send send home say postmark election day seventh eighth ninth count afraid count vote president donald j trump wrong wrong crosstalk love count vote crosstalk chris wallace want continue crosstalk vice president biden president donald j trump wrong make statement like chris wallace excuse vice president biden big problem fact year mailin voting fraud historically sizable number hundred thousand ballot throw properly fill irregularity miss crosstalk deadline question concerned supreme court justice barrett settle dispute vice president joe biden concern court settle deal ballot fill suppose affidavit know able fact verify ballot throw sufficient able count ballot mistake dot correct vote testify vote totally legitimate chris wallace right president donald j trump crosstalk chris wallace final crosstalk gentleman final question crosstalk president donald j trump know know fraud crosstalk vice president joe biden service deliver crosstalk million piece mail day crosstalk chris wallace talk state crosstalk election worker prohibit currently law state begin process ballot envelope flatten election day mean likely go huge increase mailin ballot go know election night winner day week president donald j trump month chris wallace find new president sir finally vice president hope interrupt urge supporter stay calm extended period engage civil unrest pledge tonight declare victory election independently certify president trump president donald j trump urge supporter poll watch carefully happen urge know today big problem philadelphia go watch call poll watcher safe nice thing throw allow watch know bad thing happen philadelphia bad thing urge people hope go fair election fair election chris wallace urge president donald j trump board ten thousand ballot manipulate tell chris wallace mean president donald j trump common sense chris wallace mean go tell people president donald j trump tell mean chris wallace street president donald j trump mean fraudulent election send million ballot chris wallace president donald j trump equip people equip handle number number cheat cheat hey find ballot wastepaper basket day ago military ballot military trump chris wallace president biden president donald j trump think good chris wallace president biden final question urge supporter stay calm vote count pledge declare victory election independently certify vice president joe biden deal count ballot point ballot state open election day thousand ballot go time way military vote ballot end civil war effect go happen fraudulent process honest establish fraud relate mailin ballot fraudulent process president donald j trump establish look carolyn maloney race chris wallace ask opportunity respond crosstalk ahead crosstalk vice president biden ahead vice president joe biden idea talk deal fact accept know winner declare ballot count vote count end end fact fine support outcome president democrats president democrats republicans guy president donald j trump want honest ballot cut chris wallace end crosstalk end debate president donald j trump want honest ballot count chris wallace go leave president donald j trump think chris wallace continue debate president trump vice president biden interesting hour half want thank participate debate agree engage want thank case western reserve university cleveland clinic host event debate sponsor commission presidential debate week tomorrow october university utah salt lake city vice presidential nominee vice president mike pence senator kamala harris debate pm eastern night hope watch thank good night thank transcribe content try rev save time transcribe captioning subtitle copyright disclaimer title usc section allowance fair use purpose criticism comment news reporting teaching scholarship research fair use permit copyright statute infringe weekly 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This bill expands research on valvular heart disease and its treatment. This disease is caused by damage to or disease affecting any valve that controls blood flow in the heart. The National Institutes of Health must consult with the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute to conduct or support research on the disease, including on mitral valve prolapse. This occurs when the valve between the chambers of the left side of the heart seals improperly. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) must develop best practices to treat valvular heart disease. The CDC may also carry out other projects to increase awareness of and reduce deaths from the disease.

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bill expand research valvular heart disease treatment disease cause damage disease affect valve control blood flow heart national institutes health consult national heart lung blood institute conduct support research disease include mitral valve prolapse occur valve chamber left heart seal improperly center disease control prevention cdc develop good practice treat valvular heart disease cdc carry project increase awareness reduce death disease

This bill expands the definition of major food allergen for purposes of certain food-labeling requirements to specifically include sesame. In addition, the Department of Health and Human Services must report on certain information related to food allergy research and data collection activities.

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bill expand definition major food allergen purpose certain foodlabeling requirement specifically include sesame addition department health human service report certain information relate food allergy research datum collection activity

This bill prohibits certain political appointees from serving in career positions in federal agencies. Specifically, the bill prohibits current and former presidential appointees, cabinet officials, and other senior officials from serving in career-appointment (i.e., permanent) positions in executive agencies without the approval of the Office of Personnel Management (OPM). Agencies must certify that the appointment is necessary in order for the agency to meet its mission and the OPM must determine that the appointment process was fair, open, and free from political influence in order to approve a request. OPM must also transmit approved requests to specified congressional committees before issuing final approval to agencies. The bill also prohibits political appointees from serving in career positions for two years after their departure, and directs the OPM and the Office of Management and Budget to take any actions necessary so as to limit the number of political appointees to 2,000.

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bill prohibit certain political appointee serve career position federal agency specifically bill prohibit current presidential appointee cabinet official senior official serve careerappointment ie permanent position executive agency approval office personnel management opm agency certify appointment necessary order agency meet mission opm determine appointment process fair open free political influence order approve request opm transmit approve request specify congressional committee issue final approval agency bill prohibit political appointee serve career position year departure direct opm office management budget action necessary limit number political appointee

This bill makes permanent liability protections for health care professionals who volunteer their services at community health centers.

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bill make permanent liability protection health care professional volunteer service community health center

This bill directs the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to establish an advisory working group to encourage and foster collaborative efforts among individuals and entities engaged in disaster recovery relating to debris removal. The bill requires (1) FEMA to conduct outreach to states, tribal governments, and local governments with respect to any guidance or support materials developed; and (2) the Government Accountability Office to conduct a study that, among other things, examines the use and adoption rate of advance contracts for debris removal by states, tribal governments, and local governments.

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bill direct federal emergency management agency fema establish advisory work group encourage foster collaborative effort individual entity engage disaster recovery relate debris removal bill require fema conduct outreach states tribal government local government respect guidance support material develop government accountability office conduct study thing examine use adoption rate advance contract debris removal state tribal government local government

This bill allows five Alaska Native communities in Southeast Alaska to form urban corporations and receive land entitlements. Specifically, the bill allows the Alaska Native residents of each of the Alaska Native villages of Haines, Ketchikan, Petersburg, Tenakee, and Wrangell, Alaska, to organize as Alaska Native urban corporations and to receive certain settlement land. The bill directs the Department of the Interior to convey specified land to each urban corporation. Further, Interior must convey the subsurface estate for that land to the regional corporation for Southeast Alaska. Interior must also convey to each urban corporation any U.S. interest in all roads, trails, log transfer facilities, leases, and appurtenances on or related to the land conveyed to the urban corporation. The bill also allows each urban corporation to establish a settlement trust to (1) promote the health, education, and welfare of the trust beneficiaries; and (2) preserve the Alaska Native heritage and culture of their communities.

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bill allow alaska native community southeast alaska form urban corporation receive land entitlement specifically bill allow alaska native resident alaska native village haine ketchikan petersburg tenakee wrangell alaska organize alaska native urban corporation receive certain settlement land bill direct department interior convey specify land urban corporation interior convey subsurface estate land regional corporation southeast alaska interior convey urban corporation interest road trail log transfer facility lease appurtenance relate land convey urban corporation bill allow urban corporation establish settlement trust promote health education welfare trust beneficiary preserve alaska native heritage culture community

This bill prohibits oil and gas exploration and leasing on the Outer Continental Shelf in certain areas off the coast of the Gulf of Mexico and Florida. Specifically, the bill extends the moratorium until June 30, 2032, on oil and gas exploration, preleasing or leasing in certain areas of the Gulf of Mexico. Additionally, the bill establishes a moratorium until June 30, 2029, on oil and gas exploration, preleasing or leasing, or any related activity (including seismic testing) in the (1) Straits of Florida Planning Area, and (2) the area in the South Atlantic Planning Area that is south of the northernmost lateral seaward administrative boundary of Florida.

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bill prohibit oil gas exploration leasing outer continental shelf certain area coast gulf mexico florida specifically bill extend moratorium june oil gas exploration preleasing leasing certain area gulf mexico additionally bill establish moratorium june oil gas exploration preleasing leasing related activity include seismic testing strait florida planning area area south atlantic planning area south northernmost lateral seaward administrative boundary florida

This bill generally prohibits an institution of higher education or a covered athletic organization (e.g., an athletic association, a conference, or an organization with authority over intercollegiate athletics) from restricting the ability of a student athlete to enter into an endorsement or agency contract, with exceptions. It also provides for enforcement by the Federal Trade Commission, preempts state laws relating to endorsement or agency contracts, and establishes the Covered Athletic Organization Commission.

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bill generally prohibit institution high education cover athletic organization eg athletic association conference organization authority intercollegiate athletic restrict ability student athlete enter endorsement agency contract exception provide enforcement federal trade commission preempt state law relate endorsement agency contract establish cover athletic organization commission

This bill prohibits the Department of Veterans Affairs from transmitting personally identifiable information of veterans or their beneficiaries to the national instant criminal background check system utilized by licensed importers or dealers of firearms solely on the basis that a veteran has a service-connected disability.

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Mar 23, 2020 Donald Trump and the Coronavirus Task Force held a March 23 briefing, in which Trump seemed eager to reopen businesses and get people back to work. He also spoke about making it illegal to stockpile medical supplies. Read the full transcript here. Donald Trump: (00:00)Well, thank you very much, and I see we have fewer people because of the virus problem, and we appreciate you being here. This is getting to be more and more social distancing and that’s fine, that’s the way it should be, and it’s too bad. We extend our best wishes to the person affected and we feel sure that he or she will be better very soon. Donald Trump: (00:42)Thank you for being here. America continues to mobilize every segment of our society to turn the tide in the battle against the virus. I want Americans to know that we will get through this challenge, the hardship will end, it will end soon, normal life will return and our economy will rebound very, very strongly, but right now in the midst of this great national trial, Americans must remain united in purpose and focused on victory. To every single American, please know that the sacrifice you’re making at this time is saving lives many, many lives. Donald Trump: (01:23)It’s very important that we totally protect our Asian American community in the United States and all around the world. They’re amazing people and the spreading of the virus is not their fault in any way, shape or form. They’re working closely with us to get rid of it. We will prevail together. It’s very important. From the beginning, we have been working closely with our nation’s best scientists and medical professionals and we will continue to do so until we have defeated the virus. Our public health experts, who are terrific, are studying the variation in the disease across the country and we will be using data to recommend new protocols to allow local economies to cautiously resume their activity at the appropriate time. We also have a large team working on what the next steps will be once the medical community gives a region the okay, meaning the okay to get going, to get back “Let’s go to work.” Donald Trump: (02:25)Our country wasn’t built to be shut down. This is not a country that was built for this. It was not built to be shut down. My administration continues to work with Democrats and Republicans to reach an agreement on an urgent relief bill for the millions of American workers, and small businesses and large businesses that were badly affected by the medical difficulty that we’ve had. If you had a viable business in January, we are committed to ensuring the same is true in the coming weeks. In fact, we want to make it even better than it was before and we’re doing things to help in that regard. America will again, and soon be open for business. Very soon. A lot sooner than three or four months that somebody was suggesting. A lot sooner. Donald Trump: (03:18)We can not let the cure be worse than the problem itself. We’re not going to let the cure be worse than the problem. At the end of the 15 day period we’ll make a decision as to which way we want to go, where we want to go, the timing, and essentially we’re referring to the timing of the opening, essentially the opening of our country, because we have it pretty well shut down in order to get rid of this invisible enemy. Donald Trump: (03:46)Two weeks ago we moved at record speed to pass paid sick leave and paid family medical leave, and approved $8 billion including money for the development of treatments and vaccines, and we’re doing tremendous work in both, on both fronts. The vaccines are coming along very quickly. Now, Congress must demonstrate the same bipartisanship again and join together to pass the Senate bill as written and avoid playing anymore partisan games. They have to get together and just stop with the partisan politics, and I think that’s happening. I got a call a little while ago, I guess they’re getting closer. It should go quickly, and it must go quickly. It’s not really choice. They don’t have a choice, they have to make a deal. This should not be a time for political agendas, but rather one for focusing solely and squarely on the needs of the American people. We are going to save American workers and we’re going to save them quickly, and we’re going to save our great American companies, both small and large. This was a medical problem, we are not going to let it turn into a long lasting financial problem. Donald Trump: (05:01)It started out as a purely medical problem and it’s not going to go beyond that. We’re just not going to allow that to happen. Our country was at its strongest financial point, we’ve never had an economy like we had just a few weeks ago, and then it got a hit with something that nobody could have ever thought possible, and we are fixing it. We’re fixing it quickly, and I want to just thank the American people for what they’ve been through and what they’re doing. Our country will be stronger than ever before and we fully anticipate that, and it won’t be that long. Donald Trump: (05:39)Let me provide you with an update on critical supplies. FEMA is distributing 8,000,095 respirator masks and 13.3 million surgical masks across the country right now, focusing on the areas with the greatest need. We have shipped 73 pallets of personal protective equipment to New York City and 36 pallets to the state of Washington. In the past 96 hours, FEMA has also received donations of approximately 6.5 million masks. We’re having millions and millions of masks made as we speak, and other personal protective equipment which we will be distributing to medical hotspots. We’re focused on some of the hotspots across the nation. We’re seeing an outpouring of creativity and innovative ideas widely shared between the federal health leaders, governors and mayors, the scientific community and members of the private sector really working together. Everybody’s working together. Donald Trump: (06:41)I’m pleased to report that clinical trials in New York will begin existing for existing drugs that may prove effective against the virus. At my direction, the federal government is working to help obtain large quantities of flororoquin, and you can look from any standpoint tomorrow in New York, we think tomorrow pretty early. The hydroxychloroquine and the Z-Pak, I think as a combination probably is looking very, very good and it’s going to be distributed. We have 10,000 units going, and it’ll be distributed tomorrow. It’ll be available, and it is now. They already have it. They’re going to distribute it tomorrow morning to a lot of people in New York City and New York. We’re studying it very closely, watching it very closely. You probably saw a couple of articles today came out where a gentleman, they thought he was not going to make it, he said goodbye to his family, they had given him the drug just a little while before, but he thought it was over. His family thought he was going to die, and a number of hours later he woke up, felt good. Then he woke up again and he felt really good, and he’s in good shape, and he’s very happy for this particular drug that we got approved in record setting time. Donald Trump: (08:16)There’s never been anything even close to it, and I want to thank the FDA, which has been incredible, and Dr. Hahn, Stephen Hahn, a highly respected man, but they’re doing everything possible to increase production and available supply of these drugs, not only this drug but also others that are coming. Remdesivir is coming from Regeneron, a couple of others are also under study, but the one that I’m very excited about right now is the one we just mentioned, and I think there’s a real chance, I mean, again, we don’t know, but there’s a real chance that it could have a tremendous impact. It would be a gift from God if that worked. It would be a big game changer, so we’ll see, but distribution starts tomorrow morning early in New York and I think a lot of people are going to be, hopefully they’re going to be very happy with the result, but we’re all going to be watching closely. It’s something we have to try. It’s been very, very successful on Malaria, very, very successful, and countries with Malaria have had an interesting thing happen. They take this particular drug, it’s a very powerful drug, and there is very little semblance of the virus in those countries, and there are those that say because this drug is very prevalent because of the Malaria, so we’ll see what happens. Donald Trump: (09:44)I’m also announcing that we’re postponing the deadline for compliance with real ID requirements at a time when we’re asking Americans to maintain social distancing. We do want to require people to go with their local DMV. We will be announcing the new deadline very soon. It’s going to be announced in a very short moment. Donald Trump: (10:11)Over night, we successfully brought home 103 American citizens after they had been stranded for 10 days in Brazil following a cruise. We want to thank the Brazilian government and their great president. Most of those returned were senior citizens. My administration, in cooperation with Governor Greg Abbott of Texas and the private sector coordinated their safe return to the United States, so thank you to Governor Abbott, a terrific governor, terrific man. Donald Trump: (10:41)Earlier today I signed an executive order invoking presidential authority under Section 45-12 of the Defense Production act to prohibit the hoarding of vital medical equipment and supplies such as hand sanitizers, face masks and personal protective equipment. We have a lot of face masks, a lot of equipment just coming in, and we have some people hoarding, and Attorney General Barr’s going to be speaking about that in a second. We want to prevent price gouging and critical health and medical resources are going to be protected in every form. Under this directive the Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to designate essential health and medical supplies as scarce, so he’ll designate certain supplies and medical elements as scarce, and that means it will be a crime to stockpile these items in excessive quantities, which is happening to a relatively small degree we think, but nevertheless, it’s happening. We can’t let it happen, and we can’t let them resell them at excessive prices, which some people are doing. Very simply, will not allow anyone to exploit the suffering of American citizens for their own profit, so we’re going to be watching that with our great Attorney General very closely. Donald Trump: (12:05)The Department of Justice will be aggressively prosecuting fraudulent schemes related to the pandemic. Yesterday, federal prosecutors took action in their first case, shutting down a website selling a totally fake vaccine, if you can believe that one. As president, I will always fight to protect Americans from being exploited. Thankfully, all throughout the country we’re witnessing extraordinary acts of compassion, benevolence and unity. Construction companies are donating masks by the hundreds of thousands, manufacturing workers are transforming their assembly lines, citizens are volunteering to deliver food and medicine to the elderly, we’re truly seeing America at its best. We’re really seeing things that people never thought even could happen. Frankly, we never thought this could happen, but the way most Americans are working toward getting it solved and just doing what they have to do to make this go away has been incredible. It’s been incredible. Donald Trump: (13:12)I want to take a moment to thank the everyday heroes who are making our vast effort against the virus possible, and thank you to the healthcare workers and the first responders. These are very brave people. Thanks also to the hardworking men and women of Federal Express, UPS, the United States Postal Service, and the truckers who are maintaining our supply chains and supply lines. We thank you very much. Great job. We also want to give our regards and thanks to everyone at our grocery stores working the night shift so that shelves can be restocked, and the restaurant workers and delivery drivers keeping our families fed. So many of these restaurants, it’s incredible. They’re doing a service where people come and they pick it up, delivery. It’s been incredible what they’ve been doing. A totally different business than they were in, other than they cook food. Other than that, it’s like a totally different business. Donald Trump: (14:13)Most of all, I want to thank the American people for rising to the challenge and showing incredible courage, determination, patience, grace and grit. From New York to Seattle and everywhere in between, your acts of selflessness, and sacrifice and ingenuity are a powerful testament to the American character. It’s really being shown. It’s really showing up at a level that people are really respecting. All over the world, they’re respecting, and the world has problems. We’re 148 countries now. 148 countries are affected by the invisible scourge, and all of the uplifting reflections of the American spirit are out there for everyone to see. Together, we will care for our fellow citizens and we will win this war, and we’ll win it much sooner than people think and we’ll be back in business as a country pretty soon. You’ll be hearing about that also pretty soon. Donald Trump: (15:17)Now, I’d like to ask Attorney General Bill Barr to say a few words, and we’ll take questions in a little while. Thank you. Attorney General Barr: (15:34)Let me start by thanking you, Mr. President and Mr. Vice President for your decisive leadership in this unprecedented battle to save American lives. At the Department of Justice we’re working hard to protect the health and safety of our personnel, while at the same time keeping our enforcement efforts at full throttle, so I’d like to thank all of my colleagues in law enforcement, not just those at the federal level, but of all our state and local partners, the police officers, the Sheriff’s deputies who are protecting and serving their communities, often at great risk to themselves. Attorney General Barr: (16:16)What I’d like to do here is start with a few remarks about the order that the president mentioned to ensure the availability of critical medical and health supplies from hoarding and price gouging. On March 18th, the president issued Executive Order 13-9-0-9 invoking the Defense Production Act with respect to the health and medical resources needed to respond to the spread of COVID19, including PPE and ventilators. We have started to see some evidence of potential hoarding and price gouging, and so earlier today the president signed a second executive order providing the authority to address, if it becomes necessary, hoarding that threatens the supply of those necessary health and medical resources. Under Section 1-0-2 of the Defense Production act, the president is authorized to prohibit the hoarding of needed resources by designating those materials as scarce or as materials whose supply would be threatened by persons accumulating excessive amounts. Once specific materials are so designated, persons are prohibited from accumulating those items in excess of reasonable personal or business needs, or for the purpose of selling them in excess of prevailing market prices. It is a crime to engage in prohibited activity. Attorney General Barr: (17:55)In today’s executive order the president is delegating to the secretary of HHS this authority to protect against hoarding by designating these critical items. Now, no items have been designated yet, and the Department of Justice is going to be working with HHS to identify cases where a hoarding may be impeding the supply of health and medical resources needed to respond to the COVID19 pandemic. Today we convened our first task force meeting, a national task force that will be working on these supply chain issues, and specifically on the problem of hoarding and price gouging, and we are designating in each of our 93 United State’s attorney’s offices a lead prosecutor who will be responsible in that district for pursuing these cases. I also want to say that we have not waited for this order to be signed. We, as we have received evidence recently, we have already initiated investigations of activities that are disrupting the supply chain and suggestive of hoarding. Attorney General Barr: (19:09)I want to stress that we’re not talking about consumers or businesses stockpiling supplies for their own operations, we’re talking about people hording these goods and materials on an industrial scale for the purpose of manipulating the market and ultimately deriving windfall profits. If you are, have a big supply of toilet paper in your house, this is not something you have to worry about, but if you are sitting on a warehouse with masks, surgical masks, you will be hearing a knock on your door. So with that, Mr, President, I’ll turn it back to you. Donald Trump: (19:53)Thank you very much, [inaudible 00:19:55]. Donald Trump: (19:53)Deborah? Deborah, please. Deborah Birx: (19:59)Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Vice President. Deborah Birx: (20:02)Just to start, I want to really thank all the Ministers of Health around the world who have been sending us their data despite the fight that they’re in themselves, particularly our European colleagues. They continue to send us primarily their mortality data, which is really very critical, because when you’re in the midst of this level of fight than many of the European countries are, following mortality data will give you the best insight right now on how the epidemic is proceeding in those countries because they really can’t be testing at the level to really understand the depth and breadth of their new cases. Deborah Birx: (20:37)In the mortality data that has been provided to us there has been no child under 15 that has succumbed to the virus in Europe. There was the one 14 year in China, so we still see that there is less severity in children, and so that should be reassuring to the moms and dads out there. To Generation Z and to my millennial colleagues who have been really at the forefront of many of these responses, less than one percent of all the mortality is less than 50, and so, this is, I think, also a very important point. That doesn’t mean that individuals won’t have severe disease. So still, 99% of all the mortality coming out of Europe in general is over 50 and preexisting conditions. The preexisting condition piece still holds in Italy with the majority of the mortality having three or more preexisting conditions. I think this is reassuring to all of us, but it doesn’t change the need to continue to protect the elderly, and in order to protect the elderly we all need to continue to do the President’s directives and guidance for the next week of the 15 day challenge. Deborah Birx: (21:48)Finally, I wanted to really close by thanking the laboratory personnel that had been at the front lines. 250,000 tests have been run in the last seven days. This happened because of these large commercial laboratories are doing round the clock runs, and remember all of them being, are being exposed to the virus in the same way from the swabs, yet tirelessly they have worked on and on to get those results available. They are still getting more tests than they can run per day. That’s because we are primarily expanded into the, what we call the Roshe high-throughput TriCore machine. Those results have been getting to the clients and we’ve asked them to prioritize hospitalized patients. Deborah Birx: (22:32)There was a breakthrough today, and I think you’ll see this from the FDA, and for all of those that you who are waiting for self swabbing options, those are going to be available at some time this week to be able to, individuals do their own tests. That said, remember these platforms are keeping up with those who need to be diagnosed in the hospitals and all those who come to the emergency room quite ill so that hospital beds can be freed up for those that don’t have COVID. So that will be critical, that if you don’t need a test and if it doesn’t change your clinical course, do not come in to be tested, and I think that mortality data that I gave you should be very reassuring to all of you. Deborah Birx: (23:14)Finally, to conclude, New York City. The New York Metro area of New Jersey, New York City and parts of Long Island have an attack rate close to one in a thousand. This is five times what the other areas are seeing. There, through the high-throughput lab investigations, we’re finding that 28% of the submitted specimens are positive from that area, where it’s less than 8% in the rest of the country. So to all of my friends and colleagues in New York, this is the group that needs to absolutely social distance and self isolate at this time. Clearly, the virus had been circulating there for a number of weeks to have this level of penetrance into the general community. Donald Trump: (24:03)Thank you very much, Deborah. [inaudible 00:24:07]. Mike Pence: (24:07)Thank you, Mr. President. Mike Pence: (24:10)The White House Coronavirus Task Force met today, but we also convened, at the president’s direction, a conference call with the nation’s governors, and we focused on efforts at mitigation, at testing and supplies. We discussed the president’s or recent approval of disaster declarations for Washington, and California, and New York, but we also assured governors who’ve submitted major disaster declarations that we will be reviewing them in an expeditious manner to ensure the full resources of the federal government are brought to bear. The president wanted us to make it clear that the federal government will do whatever it takes to support an effort that is locally executed, state managed and federally supported. We reiterated that to our governors today, listened to them about their specific needs, and frankly made it clear to them that while the president has published at coronavirus.gov the 15 days to slow the spread for every American, and millions of Americans are addressing these common sense guidelines to prevent the spread of the coronavirus in the days ahead, we made it clear to the governors that this president and this administration fully supports decisions that governors are making in communities and states that are particularly impacted by the spread of the coronavirus and we are grateful for their efforts. Mike Pence: (25:43)We also spoke to the governors about the importance of the legislation that is currently being negotiated on Capitol Hill and asked them to encourage members of the House and the Senate to move very quickly. The bill that is currently being negotiated, the president said that he believes will be resolved soon. We’re encouraged by it. We’ll speed direct payments to families. The average family of four will receive $3,000 directly. There’ll be payroll subsidies for small businesses around America to keep people on the payroll while they might be required to stay home, unemployment insurance benefits, assistance to hospitals and major industries, and we continue to urge the Congress to act and ask the governors to engage their delegations. Mike Pence: (26:32)On the subject of testing, we reiterated our thanks to states across the country that are rapidly expanding testing at drive through sites and at community sites, and as Dr. Birx just reflected, because of the unprecedented public and private partnership that the president initiated with our commercial labs we stand here today with 313,000 tests having been completed with the test results delivered to Americans, and still somewhat more than 41,000 have contracted coronavirus, but the state run effort is continuing to receive the full support of our team at FEMA and at the US Public Health Service. We’re deploying personnel, we’re deploying resources, and testing is literally expanding around the country by the hour. As Dr. Birx also mentioned, the FDA has been in the process of reviewing less invasive methods of testing. The president and I both reflected on the fact that we have been tested, and we’ve been working with the FDA to make it possible for self collected nasal swabs where individuals could, at the end of their nasal passage, collect a sample, and I’m pleased to report that self collected swabs can now be collected in clinics and at drive through testing sites … Mike Pence: (28:03)Self-collected swabs can now be collected in clinics and at drive-thru testing sites. This will expedite the testing process, of course, but it will also reduce the risk to healthcare providers for exposure to the coronavirus and it will minimize the drain on personal protective equipment. With the current test that goes pretty significantly up the nasal passage, people have to wear gear and then change out the gear. This new self-administered test will actually not require the drain on personal protective equipment. It’s all a part of our effort, as Admiral Polowczyk will discuss in just a few moments, to meet the supply needs that we have across the country, but to meet them with efforts at conservation as well. Mike Pence: (28:50)On the subject of testing, it’s important to remember as the old book says, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor but the sick.” And so if you don’t have symptoms, you don’t need to get a coronavirus test. We encourage every American to adhere to that so that the testing resources are available for people that are symptomatics. Mike Pence: (29:13)We also will be issuing today from Health and Human Services new guidance to direct all commercial labs to prioritize testing for hospitalized patients, and that guidance is going out tonight. We also reminded the governors today that all state laboratories, all hospital laboratories are now required by law to report the results of coronavirus tests to the CDC. Mike Pence: (29:40)On the subject of supplies in our meeting today at FEMA, we received a report of the new supply chain stabilization task force. Rear Admiral John Polowczyk is leading that up at FEMA and the task force is working to identify medical supplies that exist in the marketplace today to evaluate the national stockpile and also working with industries around the country to produce even more of the critical medical supplies. Mike Pence: (30:11)And as the president said, businesses across America are stepping up, and maybe as never before in our history. 3M, in fact, has diverted 500,000 N95 masks from commercial customers and they’re being delivered today to New York and Seattle. Facebook, we would acknowledge is donated their emergency reserve of over 700,000 N95 masks to healthcare workers, and these are just a few examples of the generosity of businesses. Mike Pence: (30:40)We’re also seeing companies step forward to repurpose their manufacturing facilities to create ventilators to create equipment. And I know I speak for the President, when I say how grateful and proud we are for that. Mike Pence: (30:54)We also discussed with the governors a real breakthrough on the availability of ventilators. We called on the governors to survey all outpatient surgical centers and hospital operating rooms because surgical ventilators that anesthesiologists use because of an FDA decision rendered this last weekend, those can be easily converted now to ventilators that can be used for people struggling with severe illness from the coronavirus. And so we called on our governors and conversations with state leaders to survey all of their surgical centers and hospital operating rooms to identify that equipment. And with the new FDA guidelines, they’ll be able to convert those to help meet the needs of ventilators across the country. Mike Pence: (31:45)We are now eight days into the President’s 15 days to slow the spread. The American people are rising to the challenge. We’re doing this. But in the days that remain between now and the end of the 15 days, we’re going to need every American to take this seriously. Listen to your state and local health authorities where there may be additional and stronger guidance in areas where the coronavirus spread has been more severe. Mike Pence: (32:09)But for every American know that the part that you do, that your family does, that you do in your community to put into practice these principles of social distancing, using a drive through at the local restaurant, will make an enormous difference in lowering the trajectory of the coronavirus spreading across our country. It’s going to take all of us, but with the ongoing cooperation of the American people with compassion, with the ingenuity of American industry, with dedicated leadership at the state and federal level, I know that we can slow the spread, we can protect our most vulnerable and we will heal our land. Donald Trump: (32:55)Thank you, Mike. John Polowczyk: (32:56)Thank you, Mr. Vice President. So I’m Rear Admiral John Polowczyk. I’m the supply chain task force lead at FEMA. My task is to increase the supply of critical medical supplies, which include personal protective equipment and ventilators, items like that. I just want to take a few moments to explain the organization that we’ve stood up this week, these the last few days, and our approach. John Polowczyk: (33:26)We have a chart behind me. I have two focus leads, one on personal protective equipment, medical supplies; and a focus lead on ventilators. John Polowczyk: (33:40)Operating under four lines of effort: First line of effort you see is preservation, and leaders tonight I’ve talked about that ability to make our stuff lasts longer. John Polowczyk: (33:52)Acceleration, we have a team of people that are searching globe for personal protective equipment. Figuring out where it is, figuring out if we need to buy it or just transport it and get it here faster. John Polowczyk: (34:07)We have a line of effort called reallocation. We’re working with our industry partners to illuminate the supply chain. There are many vendors, many distributors, all on separate system. Nobody has one sight picture for that supply chain. We’ve brought our industry partners in. We’re weaving that together to make better allocation decisions and understand where it is and where it needs to go. John Polowczyk: (34:36)We have a line called expansion. You’ve heard some of that today. If those that have wanted to convert plants, those that want to get into the business, we have the tools to help them to go do that. John Polowczyk: (34:50)Two focus areas right now, PPE and ventilators. Four lines of effort working the problem of the task to get more here and increase the supplies. Thank you, sir. Donald Trump: (35:03)Thank you very much. Thank you very much. John: (35:04)Thank you, Mr. President. If I could, the Washington Post is reporting that total deaths today crossed 100 for the first time. This morning, your surgeon general on The Today Show said he wanted Americans to understand that this is going to get really bad. Do you share that prognosis? Donald Trump: (35:20)Of course I do. It’s going to be bad and we have a lot of people dying from the flu. As you know, we have a very bad flu season on top of everything else. It’s very bad. It looks like it could be over 50,000, and certainly this is going to be bad. We’re trying to make it so that it’s much, much less bad and that’s what we’re doing. I think we’re doing a very good job of it. Donald Trump: (35:44)If you look at other countries, what they’ve been through, and you look at the kind of numbers and compare them to ours, which is a much larger country than most, the numbers are pretty amazing. And it started with the fact that we stopped people from coming in from a highly infected area and that was a good thing to do. So yeah, it’s bad and obviously the numbers are going to increase with time, and then they’re going to start to decrease. Donald Trump: (36:12)And we’re going to be opening our country up for business because our country was meant to be open and working with others but especially for our workers. And the engine for that whole system is we have to have companies and these companies are loved by our workers because they’re paying big salaries and big dollars to our workers. And we’re going to get it all going again very soon, hopefully very, very soon. Donald Trump: (36:43)Please. Speaker 1: (36:43)Sir, I’m just trying to reconcile the two things that you just said. One that things are going to be very, very bad; and two, that you want to get the country opened back up as quickly as possible. I guess my question is if in a week Dr. Birx or Dr. Fauchi are telling you we need to continue these measures for the health of the vulnerable populations of the country, are you going to say, “I’m sorry, the economy is too important.” Donald Trump: (37:12)Well, you’ll see what happens. I understand the question very well. It’s a great question, but we can do two things at one time. I will say this, our country’s learned a lot. We’ve learned about social distancing. We’ve learned about the hands, we’ve learned about staying away at least during the time that this is even a little bit around this disease or whatever you want to call it. Many different names, you can go up many different names, but the virus while it’s around. Donald Trump: (37:43)And we can start thinking about, as an example, parts of our country are very lightly effected, very small numbers. You look at a state, great governor, Pete Ricketts in Nebraska. You look at the kind of numbers they have out there. They have one of the great hospitals there too, relative to what we’re talking about. But you look at Nebraska, you look at Idaho, you look at Iowa. I could name many countries that are handling it very, very well and that are not affected to the same extent or frankly not even nearly to the extent of New York. I’m dealing with the Governor Cuomo and we’re dealing very well together. We’ll be sending that ship up, by the way, as you know. We have a ship going to Los Angeles. The ship is coming out of a very large repair, so ready to go or very soon will be. And over the next three or four weeks that’ll be coming up to New York. We’ll go to New York Harbor and it’ll be fully supplied, so they’re working on that right now. Speaker 1: (38:54)And maybe Dr. Birx can speak to this. Do you share the President’s optimism that in a week we might have a situation where we can say there’s a few hotspots but much of the country’s [crosstalk 00:39:04] Donald Trump: (39:04)Well, I didn’t say a week, but I said soon. It’s going to be a soon. It’s not going to be three or four months as some people were saying and a lot of people thought originally, but I would certainly let you answer. Speaker 1: (39:14)Yeah, and are you worried that some cities and states that haven’t had the infection yet are lagging indicators and that we’re going to start seeing cases? Deborah Birx: (39:24)You’ve raised two important issues. One, I think you all know, a lot of our tests have had to go to hospitals at this time so that we can diagnose people who are at risk to give them options to get these new therapeutic options. None of these therapeutic options are available if you don’t know your diagnosis, so we’ve been very much focused on that. With adding Abbott, Thermo Fisher, Hologic and now Cepheid platforms… Cepheids that new platform that is point of care but slower so you’ve got to match the throughput, the need to what kind of equipment you have. Now that we have all those platforms moving simultaneously, we can go back to doing case finding and surveillance in the areas that have the most lower numbers as well as doing mitigation more aggressively in the places that have higher numbers. Deborah Birx: (40:15)We went out with a very blunt force. I mean we have to all be honest, we had to do that because we weren’t sure where the virus was and where it is going. I think over this week we’re concentrated on figuring out exactly where the virus is and making projections about where it’s going and the impact of our mitigation pieces. We learned this in tackling epidemics around the world, you have to focus the resources and the intervention and the structural prevention interventions in the areas where the virus is circulating. Otherwise, people never understand why you’re doing this and they don’t have any virus. It has to be very tailored geographically and it may have to also be very tailored by age group, really understanding who’s at the greatest risks and understanding how to protect them. Speaker 2: (41:02)But there’s data showing that in three months, as the president said, we won’t need to follow these broad guidelines that he’s laid out. Deborah Birx: (41:10)The only data that we all have, and I think you all know what it is, the two areas that have moved through their curve is China and South Korea. Those are the two countries that we’re learning from. Those were eight to 10 week curves. Each state in each hot spot in the United States is going to be its own curve because the seeds came in at different times. Washington state is on their curve. They’re about two weeks ahead of New York. And so each of these have to be done in a very granular way to really understand where we are. It’s the charge that the president has given us is to use all of our data analytics and all of our data inputs to really define those issues about where the virus is, where is it going, and what predictions we can make about where we are in that bell-shaped curve. Donald Trump: (42:07)I think that’s a great definition, and I will say we’re going to be watching our senior citizens very closely. We’re going to be watching certain hotspots like New York, and within New York you have areas which are troubling and we’ll be working with the governor and the mayor and everybody else on those spots. Donald Trump: (42:25)But at the same time, at a certain point, we have to get open and we have to get moving. We don’t want to lose these companies. We don’t want to lose these workers. We want to take care of our workers, so we’ll be doing something I think relatively quickly, but we’ve learned a lot during this period. This was a very necessary period. Tremendous information was gained, but we can do two things at one time. Donald Trump: (42:50)And again, I say, we have a very active flu season, more active than most. It’s looking like it’s heading to 50,000 or more deaths, deaths not cases. 50,000 deaths, that’s a lot. And you look at automobile accidents, which are far greater than any numbers we’re talking about. That doesn’t mean we’re going to tell everybody no more driving of cars. We have to do things to get our country open. But this has been an incredible period of learning and we’ll have announcements over the next fairly short period as to the timing. John, please. John: (43:26)Mr. President, I want to ask you about these guidelines on testing. Obviously, Senator Rand Paul has tested positive for coronavirus, but he was not in contact with anybody who was a known positive and he didn’t have any major symptoms. Under your guidelines, under the guidelines that have been outlined here, he would not have gotten a test. He got one anyway. What do you say to him? He’s pointed out that if he hadn’t gone basically in defiance of these guidelines and got tested, he might still be showing up to the Senate right now and infecting the whole US Senate. Donald Trump: (43:56)Yeah. I’ll let you answer him. Deborah Birx: (43:59)That’s why this was important. That’s why this recommendation to the American people was important because we have been saying that there is a level of asymptomatic or mild spread, and that’s why each person has to be responsible. Each person has to be responsible in the way that they decrease their interaction with others, the six feet, and you’re all very social distanced so thank you. Deborah Birx: (44:27)But also assuming that everyone that you’re interacting with could be positive. And that gets into the hand washing piece. And that gets into the other piece we talked about is surfaces. I think until we really figure out the respiratory transmission versus the surface transmission. And this hard surface transmission, not fabric, will be really critical because that is a way the virus could spread on subways, our metros, where people would be holding on to things that other people had recently held onto, so that’s the real question. John: (45:03)But if we can just with the example of Rand Paul, and obviously there are many other people that would be in a similar situation, but just keep with this one example. If he hadn’t gotten that test, he would still be showing up to the Senate every day, to his place of work. Deborah Birx: (45:17)Following these guidelines, he wouldn’t have been infecting others because of the social distancing, washing your hands, doing everything that we talked about. We’ve talked about also how people make choices because of their jobs that they have to come in. You’ll notice I was not here over the weekend. I think this is the part that we really need to take personal responsibility for. Saturday, I had a little low grade fever- Donald Trump: (45:43)Uh-oh. Deborah Birx: (45:45)… so actually probably a GI thing, but I’m meticulous. I’m a physician. I looked it up. I’m from Walter Reed, so I got a test late Saturday night and I’m negative. I stayed home another day just- Donald Trump: (46:02)Whew. Thank you for saying that. Thank you very much. Deborah Birx: (46:05)… Yeah, just to make sure. That’s how we protect one another. Unless everybody’s taking their temperature every day, we can’t say that he had no symptoms. These are the kinds of things that we have to do for one another. This is the personal responsibility that I’m talking about that we all have to practice. John: (46:23)Hey, Mr. President, when you say you didn’t want the cure to be worse than the problem itself, are you saying that if we kept these measures that we’re doing now in place for a couple of months to a few months- Donald Trump: (46:37)Well, they will be in place. At some point, we’re going to open up our country and it’s going to be fairly soon. John: (46:42)Weeks or months? Because you seem to be [crosstalk 00:18:45]. Donald Trump: (46:46)I’m not looking at months, I can tell you right now. We’re going to be opening up our country and we’re going to be watching certain areas and we’re going to be practicing everything that Deborah is referring to right here. I mean, we’re going to be watching this very closely, but you can’t keep it closed for years, okay. Donald Trump: (47:06)This is going away. We’re going to win the battle, but you have tremendous responsibility. We have jobs. We have people get tremendous anxiety and depression and you have suicides over things like this. When you have terrible economies, you have death probably, and I mean definitely would be in far greater numbers than the numbers that we’re talking about with regard to the virus. We have an obligation. We have a double obligation. Donald Trump: (47:38)We have a great country. There is no country like it in the world and there’s no economy like it in the world. I mean, we were just blazing. We were coming out with numbers that some numbers weren’t even reported because this had happened. They were meaningless. I got numbers about myself that were meaningless. Because by the time the numbers came in, it’s a whole different world with this. Donald Trump: (47:58)But I will tell you that we can do both things, John. We can do them both at the same time. I mean, that’s okay. What we have gone through is a tremendous learning process and we’ve also solved a lot of problems. But we’ve gone through a tremendous learning situation. Now, we’re building hospitals in New York. We’re building hospitals in California. We’re building hospitals in the state of Washington. We’ve been in touch with the governors. Today I spoke with a man that I happened to like. I spoke with Phil in New Jersey and where we’re going to be doing something very meaningful in New Jersey. We’re doing something… I spoke with, JB Pritzker called me today. We’re going to be helping them out in Illinois. We’re doing a lot of things in Florida. Donald Trump: (48:46)We’re doing a lot of things between FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers, and the Admiral in your group in terms of the purchasing, that’s what he does. He purchases. He supposed to be great. I’ll tell you in about two days, but he’s going to do a fantastic job. We have an incredibly talented group of people. But yeah, we’ll be doing two things and three things at one time. Donald Trump: (49:11)Well, at the same time though, we’re going to be watching very closely the hotspots. We’re going to be taking care and watching very closely our senior citizens, especially those with a problem or an illness. We’re going to be watching them very, very closely; and we can do that and have an open economy, have an open country. And we have to do that because that causes other problems and maybe it causes much bigger problems than the problem we’re talking about now. You understand. Jeff, please. Jeff: (49:37)Mr. President, following up on that same topic and on your tweet, do you think that the cure so far has been worse than the problem? Donald Trump: (49:45)I think the cure has been very tough. This has been very tough. This was an operation. This was somebody going to a doctor and saying, “You need an operation,” and we’ve had an operation. We’ve learned a lot and we fixed a lot of problems. One of the things we fixed is if you look at the absolute system that this administration inherited, it wasn’t meant for this. It was meant for a small group of people; and even for that, it was not very good and very obsolete. Donald Trump: (50:14)We have a testing program now that will hopefully be able to be used for many years into the future should we have another event like this. I don’t think you’ll have another event like this. This is very unique. You look back into time, you look back decades and decades. We can name them all. Even if you go back 10 years, you know you go back to ’09, but that wasn’t like this as it turned out. But they lost a lot of people. We were early. We were early,, Jeff because of the fact that we closed early. That was a big move. Please, [Kristin 00:50:47]. Yeah, go ahead, Jim. Jim: (50:48)I just want to follow that, sir. You had said previously, I think from this podium, that the virus could still be with us through July or August. By suggesting now that we might or that the government might change these standards or these recommendations to- Donald Trump: (51:04)Well, it’s not change. No, we’re doing things… Yeah. This was a learning experience for the people of the country. Jim: (51:09)I’m just wondering if that time frame this has changed for you? Donald Trump: (51:12)If what’s changed? Jim: (51:13)The July/August timeframe of when you think the virus will be under control? Donald Trump: (51:17)Well, I think we’ve learned a lot. I think that there’s so much discipline now that we never had. Nobody ever said don’t shake hands. I did actually before I became a politician. Once I became a politician then it’s hard getting used to not doing it because you do it with everybody. With literally thousands of people a week, you’re shaking hands with big groups of people. Donald Trump: (51:43)We’ve learned a lot. There’s a great discipline that this whole country has learned having to do with distancing, having to do with shaking hands. I think a lot of it’s going to stay long after the viruses go and I really think it’s probably good practice anyway, but I think it’s going to stay long after the virus has gone. Donald Trump: (51:59)We have to open our country because that causes problems that, in my opinion, could be far bigger problems, far bigger. Look, this is a severe medical situation that could cause problems far beyond the medical, and then increase the medical problems to things that had nothing to do with this original medical problem. We can’t let that happen to our country. We have the greatest country in the world. I’m not going to let that happen, but this two weeks that we have spent, has been an incredible learning period and process. Please, Kristin. Kristin: (52:34)Yeah, I have two questions for you. One, you said it’s likely going to be weeks, not months before you suggest easing these guidelines that you put out. Have any of the doctors on your team told you that’s the right path to pursue? Donald Trump: (52:45)I spoke to them today and I was telling them that we have two things to look forward. Don’t forget the doctors, if it were up to the doctors, they may say let’s keep it shut down. Let’s shut down the entire world. Because, again, you’re up to almost 150 countries, so let’s shut down the entire world. And when we shut it down, that would be wonderful and let’s keep it shut for a couple of years. You know you can’t do that and you can’t do that with a country, especially the number one economy anywhere in the world by far. Number one economy in the world, you can’t do that. Kristin: (53:14)So you’re saying- Donald Trump: (53:15)Well, it causes bigger problems than the original. That’s why I talk about the cure being worse than the problem. We can’t have the cure be worse than the problem. But what we have done… So this is not retracing, this isn’t anything. We’ve done it really well because this two-week period has been good and I’m not saying it ends at that time. We have another seven days or so. I’m not saying it ends at that time, but I am saying it’s been this incredible learning process. That’s going to go into the future. That’s going to go even as we open up our country. And we’re going to be watching New York and we’re going to be watching California, we’re going to be watching the state of Washington and other places. Illinois is becoming a hotspot, and we can do both. Donald Trump: (54:02)Now, we may quarantine… I mean we will be quarantining many people in these areas. There are other areas that just aren’t affected or they’re affected very little. And why would we close down 100% of the country? There are areas within New York where New York will be open, but there are areas within New York. Remember this, New York has the New York Stock Exchange. It has NASDAQ, it has the exchanges. To close the New York Stock Exchange and NASDAQ with all of the great work they’re doing. I mean, they’ve gone largely to computer. You look at the floor, it’s incredible what they can do, but it’s fully open. But we don’t want to be doing that. Donald Trump: (54:45)What I’m saying basically is that we can do two things simultaneously, and we’ve had this incredible learning period. Plus, people have been in a period and they won’t be calling, “Oh gee.” Because I’ve got many, many people that now come to me and say, “We get it. We think we can really do it now and do it while we’re open.” So at some point, we’ll be setting some guidelines, we’ll be setting some datelines and we’ll be announcing them in the not too distant future. Kristin: (55:12)[inaudible 00:55:12] have any of the doctors on your team endorsed easing the federal guidelines. Donald Trump: (55:15)Well, not endorsed. We talked together, and I think they’re okay with it and I’m okay with it, but this could be a much bigger problem. This could create a much bigger problem than the problem that you start off with. Now other nations are going to have to do what they’re going to do, but they’ll probably do something very similar. Donald Trump: (55:33)But in our case, much more so than anyone else, because of the magnitude of our economy, the tremendous size of what we’ve built and what we have and the jobs involved. You have almost 160 million jobs in this country now, the most ever by far, by far the most ever. The number of jobs, almost 160 million, so we can’t turn that off and think it’s going to be wonderful. They’ll be tremendous repercussions. There will be a tremendous death from that, death. You’re talking about death. Donald Trump: (56:03)Death from the death, you’re talking about death. Probably more death from that than anything that we’re talking about with respect to the virus. Reporter: (56:10)[crosstalk 00:56:10] death if we continue with these strict guidelines than if we ease them? Donald Trump: (56:15)No, I think we’re going to do them both. I think that’s what I’m saying. I think we can do them both now. Now, we haven’t announced a date, but we’re getting fairly close to coming up with a date and it’s a much shorter period of time than I’ve been hearing the news report. And I think everybody should be happy with that, but great knowledge was gained. Please. Reporter: (56:34)I had two questions. I had two questions for you, Mr. President. My second one is on what your economic advisor, Larry Kudlow said today. He was talking about this and he said that there were going have to be some difficult trade-offs if you do use these guidelines because he wants the economy to [crosstalk 00:56:46]. Donald Trump: (56:46)You mean with the Democrats you’re talking about? Reporter: (56:47)No, no. He was saying, he was talking about how you said, you know, the cure shouldn’t be worse than the problem, and he was talking about reopening the businesses, getting the economy, going back and going again. What are those difficult trade-offs? Donald Trump: (56:58)Well, it is true. If he said… I didn’t hear him say that, but if he said, “Difficult trade-offs,” sure. It’s less convenient. Before you walk and you’d hop in the subway and you had grab the handle and you go down to wherever you’re going on Wall Street and you do all sorts of things and you go in and you open the doors going into your great buildings or into the exchanges and now you’re not going to have to… Maybe you think about doing that or you’re going to think about doing it a different way. Donald Trump: (57:23)No, no. There are many trade-offs. It’s a different life and maybe it will remain that way frankly after the invisible scourge is gone. Maybe it’s going to say that way. Not a bad thing to stay that way, but no, there are trade-offs. There’s no question about that, but I actually think it’s going to… I think in the end we’re going to end up being bigger, better and stronger. We have learned a lot. Please. Reporter: (57:45)[inaudible 00:57:45] question is we’re seeing an increase of cases in Latin America and the Middle East- Donald Trump: (57:50)That’s true. Latin America. Reporter: (57:51)In some places in Asia. Are you considering a new round of travel ban? Donald Trump: (57:56)No, we’re not really. Something like that could happen, I guess, but we’re not really. They thought we were going to have bans within the United States. We didn’t do that. We’re not going to have that. Hopefully that’ll take care of itself. No ones, in Latin America, there is a, there’s been an uptick. Yeah, please. Reporter: (58:12)[crosstalk 00:02:15]. Mr. President, just quickly, a second question. What prompted you to say at the beginning of your beginning of your comments that you’re going to take care of the Asian Americans? Has there been something in particular that was [crosstalk 00:58:26] you? Donald Trump: (58:26)Yeah, because it seems that there could be a little bit of nasty language toward the Asian Americans in our country and I don’t like that at all. These are incredible people. They love our country and I’m not going to let it happen. I just wanted to make that point. Reporter: (58:40)Do you think you’re contradicted here? Donald Trump: (58:41)Because they’re blaming China- Reporter: (58:43)[crosstalk 00:58:43] Chinese virus? Donald Trump: (58:43)People are blaming China. And they are making statements to great American citizens that happened to be of Asian heritage and I’m not going to let that happen. Please. Reporter: (58:54)You say you want to reopen the country, but most schools across the country are closed. Two States now are closed for the rest of the school year. How are parents supposed to go back to work and educate their children right now? Donald Trump: (59:05)Yeah, the governors of the various states will have a lot of leeway. If we open up, and when we open up, the governors in certain states. For instance, you go to some of the states I just mentioned, those schools are going to be open. Many cases, they’re open now, but the schools are going to be open. In other cases, Governor Cuomo, Gavin Newsom, of California, certain governors are going to maybe have a decision to make. Now, they may make a decision to keep them open in a certain part of New York and maybe in Westchester County or wherever it may be, they’ll keep them closed. Donald Trump: (59:40)But they’re going to have leeway. We giving the governors a lot of leeway. Reporter: (59:42)Do you agree with the decision to close it several months out at this point? Because governors are saying they’re expecting a peak in the next couple of months and have the decision for the rest of the year. Donald Trump: (59:50)The governors are going to make those decisions. That’s going to be up to the governors and they’re very capable. They’ll be able to make the decisions. Please. Reporter: (59:56)Sir, will you explain why a $2 trillion economic stimulus is needed if you are going to reopen the country in a period of weeks, not months? Donald Trump: (01:00:05)Because the virus has had a big impact on our country, so we’re going to give a stimulus so that the workers can live their life. It was not their fault, it wasn’t the workers’ fault. And we are going to give a kick, so that it’s a kick. And this way we think the workers can get a fair start. The small businesses, we’re taking very good care of, we want to take care of these small businesses. They really are the engine of this country. A lot of people don’t know that. Everyone thinks of these great, big, beautiful businesses, who by the way have been very badly hurt also. Donald Trump: (01:00:41)But the small businesses have really, historically been the engine and they still are the engine of the country. And you’d be amazed. The workers love those businesses and the workers contact us and they want us to help those businesses because that’s where they’ve made their living. Donald Trump: (01:00:59)That’s where they’ve been paid a lot of money over the years. And you’ve been seeing what’s happened over the last three years, where salaries and wages have gone up very substantially for those workers. And then, we got caught by this sudden craziness coming into our country and coming all over the world. We need to make sure that the companies are strong and that the workers are strong and that’s what we’re doing. And hopefully, the Republicans and Democrats are going to be able to make a deal and they’re actually fairly close. But we’ll see what happens. Please. Reporter: (01:01:32)[inaudible 01:01:32] But does it still need to don’t make me $2 trillion is my question. Can it be smaller at this point? Donald Trump: (01:01:35)Well, one of the things you’re going to have to save companies that have been shattered. You’re going to have to save a various, I mean, you know a lot of the companies yourselves, we have a company that was I think the greatest company in the world named Boeing. Boeing is going to need some help. Now, Boeing had some difficulty before. That’s unlike others. We have other companies that didn’t have a problem coming in. Boeing had the obvious problem that everybody knows about from a little more than a year ago, a double problem, and it was a big one. Donald Trump: (01:02:08)And then on top of it, as they’re getting ready to really show their stuff on top of it, we all get hit by this and obviously the airlines are going to have a problem, but the airlines aren’t going to be buying from Boeing or from anybody else right now because of this difficulty. We have to work with the airlines, we have to work with the cruise lines. We have to work with the companies like a Boeing because Boeing’s a potentially, again, a great company. Had a very rough period of 13 months, a very rough period, a horrible period. An unbelievable period. Donald Trump: (01:02:41)If you would’ve told me this would have happened to Boeing, I wouldn’t have believed it. Because to me it was truly one of the great, one of the truly great, probably almost one point of GDP if you can think of that’s hard to believe, that a company could have that kind of an impact. But Boeing, we have to work with it for two reasons. Donald Trump: (01:02:59)Number one, it’s a great company that we have to save. Number two, it produces unbelievable numbers of jobs. And so, the numbers have to be reflective of that kind of a thing. Please. You know what I’m going to do? We have wonderful people behind us that are working very hard and we want Bill to get back to the Department of Justice, so we want the admiral to start going and doing your job. And the same thing with Deb. If anybody would have any questions, maybe I’ll ask Mike to stay around, but if anybody would have any questions for the group and otherwise I’ll let them get back to work. Please. Reporter: (01:03:32)If we can just clarify with Dr. Birx, we seem to be talking about different geographical slopes on this. The curve would be changing. And yet you just said that 20% numbers coming out of New York gives an indication that we don’t quite know when the seeds, to use your metaphor, were planted. How confident are you on the start dates of each curve for each of the geographical areas that the president seems to be indicating, will be adjusting the policy for? Deborah Birx: (01:03:56)That’s a very good question. What we do know, is now we can backtrack from people who get very seriously ill to when they probably got infected, versus when they were exposed. And so, when you start backing out each of those pieces, when you start seeing hospitalized patients, you know that the virus has probably been there for three to four weeks, substantially circulating within the population. Deborah Birx: (01:04:21)That’s what we’re looking for. Now, as all of our testing is improved and we want to really applaud the group who has worked on it. You know, if you look at the pandemic flu preparedness, all of this was built on a flu platform. It was never, ever thought that you’d have a simultaneous respiratory disease hitting at exactly the same time as your flu hits in the country. And so, when you are doing all of your flu surveillance, you could, had small cases of these pneumonias and flu-like illnesses characterized as a flu-like illness for the last four to six weeks. Deborah Birx: (01:04:59)And so, that’s really a caution to all of us. And so, when we get through all of this, we’ll be looking at each of the pandemic preparedness plans. A long way of saying, we know Washington state is a little bit ahead of New York because of the hospitalization records. What we will get to as a country with the amount of testing that will be available is being able to do what the president talking about simultaneously. Simultaneously doing containment contract tracing, at the same time you’re doing mitigation. Deborah Birx: (01:05:32)And I think right now, we’ve put everything into mitigation. Yet if we geographically get specific data by zip codes and counties, we’ll be able to approach this in a very laser focused way, making sure that what we’re doing in each of those areas is absolutely appropriate for where they are in their own little bell-shaped curve. Reporter: (01:05:54)Dr. Birx? Donald Trump: (01:05:54)Go ahead, please. Reporter: (01:05:56)Dr. Birx, when will the government roll out the antibody tests so people can know possibly if they’ve been exposed? Deborah Birx: (01:06:03)All, several of them have come to the FDA, I believe. Obviously, that’s something I am very interested in for two reasons. One, it will give us a retrospective on where these infections were, who was actually infected and how really asymptomatic versus mild versus all of that comes into the spectrum. Secondly, by people who have high titers or those antibodies, those can become our solution with plasmapheresis for those in need. And the and the making of hyperimmune globulin. Knowing who they are becomes really critical. Deborah Birx: (01:06:40)But I think we’re still a couple of weeks out, I have to go back and talk to the FDA where each of these are because this is what saved us with when you do flu swabs, when you do strep throat swabs, and now where you could do an HIV test. Deborah Birx: (01:06:54)These are the kinds of tests that we know will be critical in the future. I wanted to say one other thing, because you see a lot of numbers out there, about 70% of the population is going to get infected or 60% of the population based on those models. Understand that the way you get to that number is you do nothing. And it goes through three cycles. They’re talking about this cycle that we’re currently in, another cycle in 2021 and a third cycle in 2122, in order to get that level of population infected. And you know, we will have vaccines most likely by the 2122 season and we’re going to hopefully have therapeutics in the fall of the next season. The reason we’re so much focused on blunting the curve for this piece is if, if the virus comes back, we’ll have much more facility both for diagnosis, testing, monoclonal antibodies, treatments, and then the vaccine. Reporter: (01:07:55)Dr. Birx, a question about the serology blood tests, which some people have said hold some real promise here. When will those be FDA approved and when would they be widely available? Deborah Birx: (01:08:07)That’s what she was just asking about. These IgGs and IgM, both point of care, I can tell you it would be no problem making ELISA today, but then you’re drawing blood, you’re processing blood, you’re running plates. That’s what we did in the past. We really want a finger prick type assay where you can just put a fingerprint on and get your IgG and IgM, so that’s what we’re working on right now. Reporter: (01:08:32)Realistically, how long until that’s approved and available? Would you- Deborah Birx: (01:08:35)I can’t answer because I have to look at where each of the companies are that are in their development processes. Reporter: (01:08:42)It sounds like a while, then? Deborah Birx: (01:08:44)Well, there’s some that are developed now that they were using in Singapore, so we’re looking at those to see how those work. Donald Trump: (01:08:51)We have some, it should be fairly quick. Deborah Birx: (01:08:52)We’re looking at those. But you know we’re very quality oriented because we want to make sure we don’t give people false negatives or false positives. Donald Trump: (01:08:59)I have a question for you. We have a lot of very angry media all around this room and they want one of these seats, but because of social distancing, we are keeping them empty and they are keeping them empty. Will there ever be a time when all of those really angry, angry people who don’t like me much to start off with, but now they really don’t like me, will there ever be a time when these seats are full, like full to the brim like it used to be where people are almost sitting on each other’s lap? Donald Trump: (01:09:32)And this whole row over here is packed and now they’re outside wanting to get in and they’re very jealous of all of these reporters. Will we ever have that again? Or is that something that will be, you know, it’ll look like this forever? Deborah Birx: (01:09:46)We’re learning a lot about social distancing and respiratory diseases. Donald Trump: (01:09:50)Right? Deborah Birx: (01:09:50)And I think those are the discussions we have to have in the future. It was what you were talking about, changing our whole behavior patterns of what we touch and being conscious of that. I remember when I was worried Saturday morning, I was trying to think what all did I touch on Friday? Did I touch a door knob? Did I do this? Do I do that? Did I not wash my hands? Deborah Birx: (01:10:11)I mean, you go through this whole piece, did I touched my face by accident? I think this, this awareness that we all now have that we didn’t have before, where we would have pushed through that door or turn that doorknob because we were in such a hurry. Now, I think all of us think twice. I think all of you think. Donald Trump: (01:10:28)But when the virus is gone, will the people be allowed to sit next to each other again, in your opinion in a tight room with a tight? Deborah Birx: (01:10:36)I don’t know. You’ll have to look and see if we have a new respiratory piece. Certainly, this is the way we set up every clinic all around the world when we’re worried about TB and TB transmission. Reporter: (01:10:48)Dr. Birx, I’m wondering if you could comment on the new measures that Britain has put into place. Also, Germany has said it doesn’t want to have crowds of less than two people except for families, which is a pretty restrictive number. Does that inform your thinking as you are coming up with advice for this next period for the president and the vice president? Deborah Birx: (01:11:09)The president and vice president have asked us to look at every single scenario in every single country, because the more data we have, the more our decisions can be completely data informed and really understanding what impact that has. We’re interested right now, I mean, Italy obviously waited until about March 7th. The virus had been circulating for almost four weeks before actually going into that methodology, but for the first time it looks like their number, their mortality rates are starting to decline, which would be an illustration that things that they did two and three weeks ago may actually have an impact. Deborah Birx: (01:11:50)Those are the kinds of data we’re looking at very carefully, as well as very careful data within the United States of exactly where the virus is? What’s the attack rate? Has it moved out of its more confined geography? And really looking at each of those pieces of information. It’s a lot of data to go through and that- Reporter: (01:12:09)What do you think of Germany and Britain’s moves? Deborah Birx: (01:12:12)Well, I think if you remember just a week ago, Britain had a very different approach, so everybody is adapting to their data. I haven’t looked at the data that informed that decision, so I can’t really comment on how they got to that decision there or in Germany. Reporter: (01:12:27)Dr. Birx, just to be clear, do you agree with the president’s push to reopen the country? He said some of his doctors that he’s talking to about this, he says, “I think they’re okay with it.” Are you okay with that? Deborah Birx: (01:12:38)What the president has asked us to do is to assemble all the data and get us, give him our best medical recommendation based on all the data. That’s what he’s asked us to do and so that’s what we’ll be doing this week. We were going to have to do it this week anyway- Donald Trump: (01:12:53)Yup, you’re doing it. Deborah Birx: (01:12:54)Because we had to make a decision come Monday about the 15 days to reduce social spread. This is consistent with our mandate to really use every piece of information that we can in order to give the president our opinion that’s backed up by data, not our perception, but our opinion that’s backed up by data. Reporter: (01:13:16)And now, you think you could in a week, like what would your assessment be of right now looking forward? Deborah Birx: (01:13:20)Well, we’re pulling all of the data pieces in now and that’s really critical. I don’t like to, I will never speculate on data. I will have to see the data in order to really understand it. Donald Trump: (01:13:32)And I think the big factor is the mortality rate, we’re talking about about the mortality rate. When we first started, people were thinking about three and 4% and now we’re talking about a much lower number than that. I think it’s a- Reporter: (01:13:44)What is the number? Donald Trump: (01:13:44)I think it’s a number that will be a lot different than people thought. Deborah Birx: (01:13:49)The mortality rate is driven almost exclusively as we have talked about by people with pre-existing conditions and older. That has become from the very beginning, that was our emphasis. When we started two or three weeks ago talking with one another, our focus has been on how do we protect those with pre-existing conditions and the elderly? And I think these steps were about protecting with pre-existing conditions. The whole key to changing the mortality rates is not just the hospital care, but preventing them from going into the hospital to begin with because you don’t need, want them to be infected. Donald Trump: (01:14:28)[crosstalk 00:18:29]. It’s much lower than we originally thought. I mean, frankly- Deborah Birx: (01:14:34)Yes. Donald Trump: (01:14:34)It’s a lot lower. Reporter: (01:14:35)Do you have an estimate? Do you have a number? Deborah Birx: (01:14:37)Well, you know what the estimate in Wuhan was originally, it was over 3%. When they look outside of Wuhan, it was about 0.7%. It depends very much. In South Korea, it was about 0.7-0.8%. But I don’t want, that’s like a tyranny of averages and I, you know, that’s not having, that’s probably missing 50-60% of the data because no one was testing asymptomatics. Remember? Deborah Birx: (01:15:05)In every country you had to be symptomatic to get a test. We’re making case fatality rates when we’re missing a significant part of the data. If anything, it will go lower. But I don’t want people, I don’t… That should not be reassuring because the death rates escalate with age and pre-existing conditions. Deborah Birx: (01:15:28)I really want to be clear that although it may be very low, if you’re under 40, or very low if you’re under 50, and very low if you’re under 70. There is an inflection curve, there are people, the average age of the person who’s dying in Italy is in the mid-eighties, so there is really a significant issue in our older generation that we feel strongly about protecting. Donald Trump: (01:15:50)Doctor, it’s just very interesting. The whole thing. It’s an incredible subject. When somebody is very sick, they go to a doctor, go to a hospital, they’re recorded, they’re very sick, and then they live or they don’t live, see what happens. But when somebody isn’t very sick at all, I’ve heard people that they don’t even know they had it and they’re healing. Then I’ve heard people that have like a cold or they have a running nose or even people that stay home and they think they have the flu, or in some cases they think they have a really bad case of the flu. Donald Trump: (01:16:19)But all of those people, that vast majority of, I mean beyond vast majority of people, they’re not reporting. They’re not calling the doctor, they’re not calling them. Deborah Birx: (01:16:28)Right. Donald Trump: (01:16:28)They’re just getting better. You would think it would have to be because the people that are sick are going to a doctor or they’re going someplace, and they’re going to say, “Make me better.” The people that are just short of that and people that aren’t even, I mean, we have many people where they literally don’t even know that they have it. Now, you’re building up the number of cases that we talked about before and yet, so you don’t know any what, you don’t know how many they are. [crosstalk 01:16:55]. It could be a vast number. But what you do know is all the people that are really sick. Donald Trump: (01:16:59)Because all of the people that are really sick are going to a doctor in some form. And the doctor is reporting it in all cases itself. Deborah Birx: (01:17:06)But that’s why your question about the antibody test is so critical because that will give us really a much better baseline to really understand. John: (01:17:13)So Mr. President, when you talk about how it could be a much, much bigger problem, you said that at several stages on whether or not we keep these guidelines in place. You talked about higher death, are you talking about suicide? Like help us understand [crosstalk 01:17:25]. Donald Trump: (01:17:24)I’m talking about many forms. John: (01:17:27)Is the risk here a depression? Is that what you’re getting at? Donald Trump: (01:17:29)We’re talking about… Look, number one, it’s the country itself. You’re talking tremendous disruption economically, but you’re talking about massive depression, massive numbers of suicide- John: (01:17:41)You mean economic depression? Donald Trump: (01:17:42)No, I’m talking about, no, I’m not talking about economic. Although, you could be talking about that, too. John: (01:17:47)You could be talking about economic depression. Donald Trump: (01:17:48)What I’m talking about is people suffering massive depression because they had a fantastic job and now they have no idea what’s going on. Now, here’s the good news. If they get the bill passed, we’re taking care of those people. We’re going to really take good care of those people beyond what any country has done for people. But there’s never been anything like this. Donald Trump: (01:18:08)No. I’m talking about where people suffer massive depression,, where people commit suicide, where tremendous death happens. Now in addition to that, we’re talking about economic where you really hurt a country. It could take years and years to recover. And the longer you stay out, the harder it is to recover. I happen to think that you’re going to have, they call it the V, I think you’re going to have a very big bounce, you know, a very big bounce back. I think it’s going to be very big. We’ll see. John: (01:18:36)If you get the bill passed. Donald Trump: (01:18:36)Well, I think the bill should pass. It’s should pass quickly. John: (01:18:39)And you’re confident? Donald Trump: (01:18:40)Take care of our workers, take care of the companies that pay those workers, help those companies over this rough patch. But the longer it takes, the harder it is to come back. I’d like to be able to bounce back to where we were. And ultimately I think we’re going to be even further than that. But I’m just saying that the… What’s happening when I say the cure and the cure could be worse than the problem itself. Right? That’s what I, we can’t let that happen. We can’t let that happen. Donald Trump: (01:19:09)We’ve learned so much and so many good things are going to happen for our country. We can’t let this continue to go on. What we’re doing is we’re meeting with the doctors, Dr.Fauci, Dr. Birx and others and we’re, we’ve already started the discussion. And I can say that I’m a student like you’re students. We’re all learning this together. I learned a lot from Deborah. I learned a lot from Tony. Donald Trump: (01:19:35)I learned a lot from a lot of people that this is, this has been their life’s work. I’ve learned a lot. We’re going to come up with a date and we’re going to do two things. We can do two things at one time. At the same time, we’re going to be very vigilant. We’re going to be so vigilant in terms of all of the things that we have to do that we’ve been talking about for the last two weeks ad nauseum. And I think it’s going to be ultimately a far better solution for our country. Yeah, please go ahead. Reporter: (01:20:07)What advice Dr. Fauci- Donald Trump: (01:20:08)[crosstalk 01:20:08] want her to go back and you want her to go back to work. Immediately. Thank you. Great job. Thank you, Deborah. Reporter: (01:20:13)Dr. Birx, can I have one more question? Donald Trump: (01:20:14)Yeah, Deborah? Male Speaker: (01:20:16)One more. Donald Trump: (01:20:18)They won’t let you go. Reporter: (01:20:18)Thank you. There’s still one week left to go and 15 days to slow the spread. Doesn’t talk of reopening the government quickly undermine that? I mean why would anyone today still social distance or not run out to see the Cherry Blossoms? Deborah Birx: (01:20:36)Actually, it should reinforce it because if people know that we’re considering and trying to understand the impact of the good work that they have done, I think it reinforces them to do good work for the next whatever it is days, weeks in the future. Because it says to them, we’re looking very carefully of the impact that the work that you did, the selflessness that you brought to this, the ability to stay home with your fabulous children, your ability to social distance, the ability to give up on going to restaurants and just having takeout. Deborah Birx: (01:21:10)All of those sacrifices, the ability of your protecting our elder generation, the greatest generation and making sure they’re safe in nursing homes, but not seeing them. All of us have made sacrifices. I haven’t seen my grandchildren in three weeks. I know other people are like that, that they have really made those personal sacrifices. What we’re asking every American to do is to make those personal sacrifices for these next week and now so that we can evaluate the impact of that sacrifice. I think if anything, it strengthens the willpower to say, “Yes, I can do this.” Donald Trump: (01:21:47)Thank you. Reporter: (01:21:48)Mr. President, [crosstalk 01:21:49] what are your thoughts on Fauci today? Donald Trump: (01:21:53)Go ahead, one second, please. Reporter: (01:21:54)Sir, one thing some public health officials have said would be helpful is to open back up the ACA exchanges so that people who are worried about perhaps getting treatment could go sign up for insurance now, even though the open enrollment period is open, that’s something you can do with [crosstalk 00:26:12]. Donald Trump: (01:22:11)Well, it is. It’s something we’re talking to a lot of people about. We’ll see what happens, but we’re talking to people about it. Go ahead, please. Reporter: (01:22:17)Where is Dr. Fauci right now? Why is he not at this briefing? Will he attend future ones? And- Donald Trump: (01:22:21)Let me just, I was just with him for a long time. And- Vice President Pence: (01:22:24)He’s at the task force. Donald Trump: (01:22:24)Oh, he’s at the task force meeting right now. Vice President Pence: (01:22:24)He’s at the task force. Donald Trump: (01:22:28)We have a task force meeting. He was there. Reporter: (01:22:32)Does he agree with you about the need to reopen the the economy soon? Donald Trump: (01:22:35)Well, he doesn’t not agree. I mean, we had a long talk and he understands this tremendous, there’s a tremendous cost to our country, both in terms of lives and in terms of economics and in terms of many, many years of rebuilding something that was a fine tuned machine. It was nobody’s fault. It just happened. This horrible virus came from wherever and it just happened. It just happened. He fully understands that now. He’s a good man. I like Dr. Fauci a lot, just so you understand. Donald Trump: (01:23:04)No, he’s not here because we really weren’t discussing what he’s best at, but he’ll be back up very soon. Yeah, please. And we’ll be discussing dates and times with him. And we are talking about a… I don’t want to use the word abbreviated because so much has been gained by what we’ve done. But we’re talking about not during the period, you know, during the 14 or 15 days, but not too long after that- Reporter: (01:23:33)Mr. President- Donald Trump: (01:23:33)Which, I think is going to make a lot of people happy. It’s going to make a lot of companies happy. It’s going to make a lot of workers happy. Yeah, John? John: (01:23:39)Mr. President, so ultimately, will you take Dr. Fauci’s recommendation on this or are you thinking he’s just looking at one set of inputs? Donald Trump: (01:23:46)I would certainly, he’s very important to me and I would, I will be listening to him. I’ll be listening to Deborah, who you just spoke to. I’ll be listening to other experts. We have a lot of people that are very good at this, and ultimately, it’s a balancing act, but- Donald Trump: (01:24:03)Ultimately, it’s a balancing act, but the expression, we can do two things at one time and we’ve got an incredible country. We have to keep it that way and that includes not just economics, that also includes life and death. We have to keep it that way. Speaker 3: (01:24:19)Mr. president you’re talking about social distancing amongst us reporters and you mentioned that one of our own has come down or potentially come down. Even if someone does come down in the white house, press court. Would you pledge to the American people that you’ll keep this room open? We’re clearly six feet apart. Donald Trump: (01:24:37)Well, I’ve gotten to like this room. This room is very convenient. I can say from the standpoint of being president of the United States I really… This has been a very convenient room for all of us. You people are set up, so I never even thought of closing it. So you’re asking me a question that I never thought in terms of closing it. Can you give me a good reason to close it? We could build a larger one. Speaker 3: (01:24:58)Opportunity to… I mean you see [crosstalk 01:25:00]- Donald Trump: (01:25:01)I don’t want to make commitments like that because it’s not something I’ve ever really thought about. There are certain people that would like to see a larger room built. We need a larger room. Other presidents didn’t need such a large room, but we need a larger room and there are some people, but it’s not something that is really on my mind to be honest with you. Yes, please. Reporter: (01:25:19)All right. So quarter two, we know it’s going to be brutal. Who are you listening to? Where is the brain trust to help get us through that period? Also, has your opinion of the chair [crosstalk 01:25:29]- Donald Trump: (01:25:29)Which period? Reporter: (01:25:29)Quarter two, the second quarter. Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, they’re all predicting a pretty dire second quarter. Who are you listening to? Where’s the brain trust? You have all these medical advisors. Donald Trump: (01:25:40)I think we’re listening to many people. I mean that was my world. I know many of those people. I have many people that are friends of mine, some enemies also by the way. But it’s been a good world for me. I like that world. I like those people. They’re tough and they’re smart. But I listened to many of them. Ultimately, they all go into that computer and I say, this is what we’re going to do. I have to make a decision. This is a very important man right here to my right, our great vice president, because he’s got a great instinct about things too. So I’m going to be listening to my case, headed up the task force I think brilliantly. I think it’s going to go down as that because he’s really done a job. Not only has he been good, he’s been soothing. He’s really been great for the American public to watch it. Donald Trump: (01:26:26)I mean that in the most positive way. There’s a solidity with Mike that you don’t find in many people. He’s been soothing. He’s been good for the American public. They have confidence in him. I think he’s done an incredible job and his advice is very, very important to me. So he’s going to be making… I mean, he didn’t come from that world, the world of finance, but he understands the world of finance. He was a great governor in Indiana. They did very well financially too. Reporter: (01:26:55)So you won’t give us one name of someone else you’re listening to? Donald Trump: (01:26:55)I can give you a whole list and we’ll probably even set up committees. I’d rather give you one because then I’m going to leave out… I have spoken to so many people and- Reporter: (01:27:03)[crosstalk 01:27:03] spigot today- Donald Trump: (01:27:04)What? Reporter: (01:27:04)So are you happy over the Fed now that he’s turned on the spigot? Donald Trump: (01:27:07)I am happy with him. Yes. I think he’s… I really think he’s a caught up and he’s done the right thing and I think ultimately we will be rewarded because of the decision he made over the last… He’s really stepped up over the last week and I have to tell you, I called him today and I said, Jerome, good job. You really did it [crosstalk 01:27:29]. It might be, he was just a little bit slower than I would have liked in the sense of what he was doing. Now, other people might have liked it, but today I called up Jerome Powell and I said, “Jerome, you’ve done a really good job.” I was proud of him. That took courage and ultimately you’re going to see the fruits. Now. He’s not finished. I mean, he’s got other arrows in the quiver or whatever they say, I will tell you he’s got plenty of arrows. But no, I’m very happy with the job he did. Reporter: (01:28:01)Mr. vice president, you said that you’d bring the secretary of education here either yesterday or today. Why isn’t she here today and can we expect for this week? Also, yesterday you said you have some guidance for us and people who had potentially been exposed to the virus returning to work sooner. You still expect their guidance. Mike Pence: (01:28:16)Yes. Thank you for the question. I spoke to the secretary of education today and we’re going to have her at the podium very soon. The department of education has created a very easy waiver application for every state. It’s virtually an automatic application for states that want to be excused from national standardized testing requirements. We reviewed that with all of the governors today and also what’s called distance learning, the accreditation process for higher education. The secretary of education at the president’s urging has loosened the rules around distance learning. You’re seeing many colleges and universities embracing distance learning now putting it into practice, we’ve allowed for that. But also the department of education is setting up a website and best practices information for K through 12 distance learning and she actually told me that the state of Florida and New Hampshire are really setting the pace on distance learning for K-12. Mike Pence: (01:29:24)My wife is an elementary school teacher. Obviously there’s different challenges for distance learning for K through 12 students, particularly younger kids. But the department of education is determined to continue to make those best practices available. We talked about the website that’s being built and she’ll be coming in and making a presentation on that because as the president reflected a little bit ago as, Dr. Burkes did. We understand there’s a lot of kids out of school, but parents are anxious. A lot of kids out of college and university. Like my daughter who’s has been dismissed from the what remains of this semester of grad school, bu it’s still doing the work and the department of education is working earnestly to make that a reality. Reporter: (01:30:15)We’ll see her to see. Mike Pence: (01:30:16)I’m sorry. Reporter: (01:30:16)We’ll see her this week. Mike Pence: (01:30:16)Yes, I’ll have her here this week. I mean given the issues that we were dealing with today with the attorney general, we thought it might be just as timely in a few days. With regard to the guidance that you asked about the president’s coronavirus task force is in the process of reviewing recommendations from CDC. We’re working with the Department of Homeland Security. We’ll be bringing those to the president as recommendations of approval. We’re specifically looking at people that work in critical infrastructure, people in law enforcement, people in critical transportation. Mike Pence: (01:30:56)You can go right now to the department of Homeland security’s website for a very useful definition of critical infrastructure. If you look at the second page of 15 days to slow the spread, you’ll see the president’s recommendation for this 15 days is for people to stay home from work whenever possible except for people working in critical infrastructure. The guidance that we’re looking forward to unpacking is how people who may have come into contact with someone that test positive coronavirus would be able to, if they have no symptoms, would be able to return to work, wear a mask for a certain period of time, but otherwise go back to business. It’s a focus on critical infrastructure jobs. We should have that guidance before the president and before the public tomorrow. Speaker 4: (01:31:44)Mr president, we have understandably a patchwork. Donald Trump: (01:31:46)No wait, I just want to say, we’re thinking about it. China has very much stepped up as you probably know, the agricultural purchases from our farmers and some other purchases too. So they have a difficult time also right now. But they’ve very much stepped up their purchases and significantly. So we’re very happy about that. The other thing, I’m standing here, this case with our vice president trying to let you ask anything you want having to do with the subject, which frankly is pretty much all anyone cares about right now. Because I think it’s very important. I don’t want to stand here for two hours and do this, but I think it’s important that I call it get it out of your system. Give us any question about it because I think it’s important for the public to know. So we don’t want to answer two questions and leave. We want to answer your questions. Donald Trump: (01:32:41)That’s why we’re doing this for so long. I think it gives our country confidence and it gives… I think we’re all gaining knowledge. This has been an unbelievable process, but we’re all getting… So I want to stay here. Sometimes we’re here for two hours and we’re answering questions. At least you will say that I’m very transparent. I think you’re going to have a hard time saying he is not transparent. But we take a lot of questions from you. Unfortunately, some of them are repetitive and some of them are fantastic questions. Some of these questions are great. Some of the questions lead to us solving a problem. You bring up problems that people didn’t know existed. But I just want to let you know so we’re doing this so that we can be transparent so that we can get everything out. Yeah, go ahead. Speaker 4: (01:33:29)Mr president, we have a patchwork of plans, understandably at the moment. Are you coordinating an economic response with the leaders of the G7 at moment? Donald Trump: (01:33:37)Yeah. Speaker 4: (01:33:37)You are? Donald Trump: (01:33:38)We’re very, very close to them. We had a couple of great talks plus I’ve spoken to a number of them individually. Yeah, we’re very, very closely aligned. Please. Speaker 5: (01:33:48)One for the vice president and one for you. Vice president Pence we’re talking about those self swab tests. When will this be available? They said this week, but do you know which day and do you know where they’re going? Mike Pence: (01:33:59)The FDA just announced that decision and my understanding is that they’ll be now going directly to market. I’ll have a good estimate for you on timeline. But and what the president has charged us to do at the task force is to promote as much creativity and as much innovation as possible. Frankly, Dr. Hahn as the president said at the FDA has done a remarkable job going through the review and approval process for these new methodologies. Really in record time. We reflected a little bit ago about the fact that we’re pretty sure we set a record, I think it was 62 days to be in the phase one clinical trials of a vaccine that’s actually in clinical trials today. Mike Pence: (01:34:53)But this new approval from a study done by United Health Group and the Gates Group means that now self collected nasal swabs will become available. We’re going to be working through FEMA with governors around the country to make sure and distribute those, those methods as well as the swabs or any other supporting material and get those into this vast array of labs that are now stood up around the country. Donald Trump: (01:35:23)That’s going to make a big difference because that really is a process that’s easy as opposed to the current process, which is not, as I’ve said, it’s not pleasant. Speaker 5: (01:35:33)I have a question for you. I just want to get clarity on this. If we get to next week you’re deciding what to do with these guidelines, whether to ease them or reinstate them for another 15 days. Will you follow the advice of Dr. Birx, Dr. Fauci if they say you should maintain it for to more weeks? Donald Trump: (01:35:47)Yeah. Then ultimately I have to make a decision, but I certainly listened to them. I listened to a number of people. I have a lot of respect for Dr. Fauci and for Dr. Birx and I’ll be listening to them and others that we have that are really doing good. John. John: (01:36:01)Are you worried that if you do this too quickly, if you lift these restrictions too quickly, the virus will start spreading on unabated and how can you be sure that’s not going to happen? Donald Trump: (01:36:11)We have now a system and the systems in place and we have two very, very powerful alternatives that we have to take into consideration. And as I said, one of the things that has really gotten me thinking about this, number one, I’m looking at what’s going on and you know it’s life is fragile and economies are fragile, but one of the things is the mortality rate, John. When we first started this, nobody knew anything about this particular virus. Very, very little. I mean we started, if we were hearing numbers of 5% that would, that’s an astronomical number when the flu is 0.001 and two and three, right? So 5% would be an astronomical number. Now we’re seeing numbers that may be less than one and that’s not including the exercise that I just went through where many people don’t report. So everybody getting very sick is reporting, but nobody getting not very sick. Donald Trump: (01:37:10)That should be part of that equation. So that just keeps reducing the number. So the mortality rate, that’s a big… To me that’s a very big factor. When we were hearing three and 4%, remember we had one day where we thought it was 5% and we’re getting a lot of bad numbers from countries that, I don’t know why, but we were getting a lot of bad numbers. I do wish, again, our relationship’s very good with China, but I wished they could have told us about this a little bit sooner. You know that. But the mortality rate is a big thing for me because I think we’re very substantially under 1% now. It’s still terrible. It’s still the whole thing. The whole concept of death is terrible, but there’s a tremendous difference between something under 1% and four or five or even 3%. So that’s something that we’re learning now. I think the number may be lower than people think because of what I’ve been saying. Yeah, please. Jeff: (01:38:04)Mr. President have you instructed secretary Manisha and the others working on this bill with Congress to meet some of the demands that Democrats have made with regard- Donald Trump: (01:38:13)Well, I thought we had a deal last night and then the Democrats changed the deal. So we had a deal last night that was going to be phenomenal for the workers, which is my number one aim. I want to take care of the workers and we had a deal. I was pretty sure we had a deal last night if you would told me at a certain time about 9:00 I would have told you we pretty much have a deal. And then all of a sudden it changed. It changed fairly rapidly. It was unaccepted. It would have been bad for our country and they were asking for things that would have not been good. I mean things that that bore no relationship to what we’re talking about and we said that’s not the game. We can’t play that game. So we’ll see. Look, the Democrats do want to make a deal. But Jeff, I thought we had a deal last night. Jeff: (01:38:58)further into this process for most of them now. And decide that further stimulus is needed. Will you be able to work with speaker Pelosi on that? Donald Trump: (01:39:07)I’ll work with anybody to help the American people. I will. I don’t care who it is. I’ll work with anybody. If I feel I’m going to help the American people and the American worker. Yeah, please. Speaker 6: (01:39:16)Mr. President some states are reporting a shortage of materials needed to actually process the tests. So what is the administration doing to get all the States materials that they need? Donald Trump: (01:39:28)Well, you just saw the Admiral and you just saw the FEMA people and you just saw the army corps of engineers. We’re building hospitals in New York and California and State of Washington and New Jersey. I just made a commitment to fill that we’re going to help him out with some of the areas in New Jersey, which is very important, a great state. So, we’re doing a great job and with it to help the governors, but the governors are on the front line and they can do some of it themselves. Governor Cuomo, he’s been working very hard and he worked with me on the hospitals and medical centers because it’s not just hospitals, it’s called hospital and another is medical centers of which we’re building numerous for New York. We have it all laid out. We have Javits center and then we have other locations throughout the state. Donald Trump: (01:40:22)I think it’s really a great plan and we’re going to have FEMA and the army corps of engineers involved. I’ve worked with them we’re building a wall. We’re up to over 150 miles of wall on our Southern border, which is now turning out to be even more important than we originally thought. But I always thought it was very important having borders. So, I’m working with the army corps of engineers and I see what they do and how they do it. That’s used to be my business. I know it very well and they’re very professional. They’re really good. Donald Trump: (01:40:53)So you’re going to see a lot of good things happening in many States beyond the States. I just mentioned in many States, we’re working with governor Ron DeSantis in Florida. We’re working with governor McMaster, right? In South Carolina where they have a little bit of a breakout, not by comparison but a little bit. We’re working with many, many governors and many, many states. Actually States where you almost would think that they have it under pretty good control and they’ve done a great job, but we’re working with many states and that’s primarily FEMA and the army corps of engineer. They’re capable of doing it. Reporter: (01:41:29)Back to the stimulus. Can I ask a question on behalf of my radio pool colleague Tamara Keith from NPR, she asked me to ask this to you. You just mentioned that there was some things last night that were unacceptable, which would have been bad for the country that the Democrats were bringing into the stimulus conversation. Her question was what provisions would you absolutely not support in this plant right now? Donald Trump: (01:41:48)Well, a lot of the provisions that they wanted, like stock buy backs. I agree with it. That’s good with me. I mean, I don’t like them buying back stock. I like them spending money on airplanes and on their employees and they real business, not buying back stock. I don’t know if that provision is going to be put in one way or the other. But I’m all for it and many Republicans, I can tell you are for it and I think many Democrats are for it. But they were putting that out like it was a problem last night. Not a problem for me, I can tell you that, please. Reporter: (01:42:19)She also wants to know how much would you want the cash relief directly for Americans, what number would you like to [crosstalk 01:42:24]? Donald Trump: (01:42:25)Well, I think when you’re talking about right now is at least $3,000 per family of four in that correct. $3,000 for a family of four, which is bold. If this continued, we have to build this up and if this continued we’ll do something else and we’ll do more at a later date. But that’s a big number. If you remember, they were talking about $500 and $600 and we are all for the three. As of this moment, it’s $3,000 for a family of four. Please go ahead. Speaker 7: (01:42:58)When you’re looking at some of the economic headwinds that we’re facing, I’m wondering if one of the things you’re concerned about is the strength of the dollar and if there’s something that we should do to address that, including [crosstalk 00:19:08]? Donald Trump: (01:43:07)Well, we have a very strong dollar and a strong dollar is good in many ways, but it’s also tough in many ways because it makes trade much harder. It makes it much harder for a Caterpillar tractor and other companies to sell their goods to Europe or China or wherever they may be sold. So having a strong dollar is good, but it really sounds good. But the truth is it makes certain things like trade much tougher. Our dollar, I don’t know if you’ve seen, but our dollars have been very strong, especially against other currencies, very, very strong. Which again, makes that trading more difficult. But there’s something nice about having a strong dollar, right? No matter what, I’m president, I used to have a strong dollar, but it does make trading more different. Speaker 3: (01:43:49)Just to go back to statements. You’re confident you’re going to get a deal. Donald Trump: (01:43:53)Well, I think the Democrats want a deal and I think we want to deal. So it would be very foolish if they didn’t make a deal. The American public is demanding it. I can tell you the Republicans want to make a deal and we want to make a deal that’s good for the workers, good for the country. I really believe the Democrats want to make a deal, but they have to stop asking for things that bear no relationship to what we’re talking about. Speaker 3: (01:44:15)You had a lot [crosstalk 01:44:16]- Donald Trump: (01:44:16)That are actually bad. That are actually not good for the country. Speaker 3: (01:44:19)You’ve been very laudatory, [inaudible 01:44:21] democratic governors. You mentioned governor Cuomo. You mentioned some others. If you’d get a stimulus bill, I’m wondering if you extend this bipartisan goodwill to speaker Pelosi and invite her here for a signing ceremony? Donald Trump: (01:44:33)Well, let’s see what happens. I have to see what happens. Right now we don’t have a deal, but I think we’re very close. I mean, when I left, which was quite a while ago now, because again, we’re trying to answer every question so there’s no… Be nice if you were just exhausted and said, “That’s it. We can’t do any more.” But there’s always hands up. Maybe one of those questions is great and unique, but now look I want what’s good for the country and if that means meeting, I think that’s great. I just want what’s good for the country, great for our workers, great for the citizens of the United States. That’s all it [crosstalk 01:45:04]- Speaker 3: (01:45:04)Have you spoken with Pelosi? Donald Trump: (01:45:07)It’s been a little. Yeah, please. Speaker 8: (01:45:08)Both you and the vice president have been tested for the virus. Also, Mrs. Penn says the first lady been tested? Donald Trump: (01:45:16)Yes. Speaker 8: (01:45:16)And? Donald Trump: (01:45:18)She’s great. She’s fine. Speaker 8: (01:45:20)Negative? Donald Trump: (01:45:22)Negative. Reporter: (01:45:27)One of the sticking points on the stimulus. Who’s going to hold treasury accountable for this $500 billion corporate recipe fund? Donald Trump: (01:45:33)Well, we need that to help all of these companies that have a chance of not being companies anymore, and that’s going to be a good thing for the country because deals will be made and we’re talking to certain people. Some of the greatest people in the history of Wall Street, frankly. Where when they do a deal, we’ll have stock for America. We’ll take back stock for the United States. At the same time, most importantly, we’ll keep those companies healthy, but we can also make incredible deals for the country so that that number will increase exponentially. I mean, this is Reporter: (01:46:11)[inaudible 01:46:11] with fun, it’s about the lack of oversight. The treasury has these unilateral authority to dual out all of this money. Donald Trump: (01:46:16)Oh look, I’ll be the oversight. I’ll be the oversight. We’re going to make good deals. We make good deals, but these companies need it. Even if it was just a simple loan, which would be. But we can do better than that and the companies are willing to do better than that. I mean, they got hit. Most of these companies, it was through no fault of their own. There are a couple where they were troubled before they came in. We talked about one, it had troubled, nobody can believe it actually in that one. Donald Trump: (01:46:42)But these companies are through no fault of their own. They have difficulty. I mean, two weeks ago, these companies were among the most solid institutions in the world. You’d want to buy their bonds, their bonds were rated AAA or whatever their highest rating is today. Now all of a sudden they have difficulty because they’ve been closed up. So you need something to keep them going, but that money is not going to be wasted money. That money’s going to be seen. We could multiply that number by many times coming back to the American public, that could be a phenomenal thing. But most importantly, it’s going to keep these great engines of jobs and ingenuity going. Very important. How about one or two more and we’ll go. Go ahead please [crosstalk 01:47:28]. Speaker 9: (01:47:28)Thank you, sir. Are there things you regret in the way you handle the crisis so far? Are there words you regret? Donald Trump: (01:47:34)I don’t think so. I’m looking forward. I don’t look back. I guess there’s always something everybody regrets. There things in your life you regret. We all regret things, but I really like to look forward. I’m a person that looks… Forward thinker. I guess they would say. No, I think that we’ve handled it really well. It seems to be the American public thinks that we’ve handled it well. If you look at polling data, but I’m not interested in myself. I’m interested in the American people. We have to get this going. We have millions and millions of jobs that were solid as a rock three weeks ago and today there could be questions. Donald Trump: (01:48:11)The faster we get it going, the more likely it is that those stores, little businesses, big businesses, medium sized businesses open up and we’ll get it going very fast. I really believe this is a pent up demand. I think that as soon as we say, “Let’s go.” It’s going to be pretty soon. It’s going to be pretty soon. It’s going to be sooner than people would think. Again, we’re in a position to take care of our country, but at the same time to have the country really, really go up like a rocket ship economically. That’s great for jobs. It’s great for everything else. Yeah, please. Jeff: (01:48:45)Yeah. Mr. President, I’d like to ask a question for a colleague who can’t be in the room because of social distancing. Donald Trump: (01:48:50)For who? Jeff: (01:48:51)A colleague who can’t be in the room because of our social distance. About Florida, he wanted me to ask the governor DeSantis had closed all of the beaches in his state? Donald Trump: (01:48:59)Well that’s really up to the governor. I mean I think first of all, he’s a great governor. He’s done an incredible job. Governor DeSantis of Florida and on the beaches, I guess he’s recently made a decision, but you do have a lot of room on the beaches. I think it’s just a decision that he made originally and then he’s refined it and then he’s done something that a lot of people agree with what he’s done, but he’s done a lot of things right. He’s been truly… I mean, he cares so much about health care, he cares so much about the cost of prescription drugs. He’s been a fantastic governor for Florida. They’re very happy with them. Donald Trump: (01:49:38)The whole concept of the beach, it’s a very interesting issue. There are a lot of open spaces that includes parks and other things, but rather than relying on social distancing, they’re probably going to do that one in a different way. But I would imagine when we make our decision, things like that would be opened up and then people will remember what they’re supposed to be doing. Well, I want to thank everybody very much and we’ll see you tomorrow sometime and we’ll get this going, I think really well. Thank you all very much. Appreciate it [inaudible 01:50:04]. Transcribe Your Own Content Try Rev and save time transcribing, captioning, and subtitling. Copyright Disclaimer Under Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. Get a weekly digest of the week’s most important transcripts in your inbox. It’s the news, without the news.

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work big game changer distribution start tomorrow morning early new york think lot people go hopefully go happy result go watch closely try successful malaria successful country malaria interesting thing happen particular drug powerful drug little semblance virus country drug prevalent malaria happen donald trump announce postpone deadline compliance real d requirement time ask americans maintain social distancing want require people local dmv announce new deadline soon go announce short moment donald trump night successfully bring home american citizen strand day brazil follow cruise want thank brazilian government great president return senior citizen administration cooperation governor greg abbott texas private sector coordinate safe return united states thank governor abbott terrific governor terrific man donald trump today sign executive order invoke presidential authority section defense production act prohibit hoarding vital medical equipment supply hand sanitizer face mask personal protective equipment lot face mask lot equipment come people hoard attorney general barr go speak second want prevent price gouging critical health medical resource go protect form directive secretary health human service authorize designate essential health medical supply scarce designate certain supply medical element scarce mean crime stockpile item excessive quantity happen relatively small degree think happen let happen let resell excessive price people simply allow exploit suffering american citizen profit go watch great attorney general closely donald trump department justice aggressively prosecute fraudulent scheme relate pandemic yesterday federal prosecutor take action case shut website sell totally fake vaccine believe president fight protect americans exploit thankfully country witness extraordinary act compassion benevolence unity construction company donate mask hundred thousand manufacture worker transform assembly line citizen volunteer deliver food medicine elderly truly see america good see thing people think happen frankly think happen way americans work get solve away incredible incredible donald trump want moment thank everyday hero make vast effort virus possible thank healthcare worker responder brave people thank hardworke man woman federal express up united states postal service trucker maintain supply chain supply line thank great job want regard thank grocery store work night shift shelf restock restaurant worker delivery driver keep family feed restaurant incredible service people come pick delivery incredible totally different business cook food like totally different business donald trump want thank american people rise challenge show incredible courage determination patience grace grit new york seattle act selflessness sacrifice ingenuity powerful testament american character show show level people respect world respect world problem country country affect invisible scourge uplift reflection american spirit care fellow citizen win war win soon people think business country pretty soon hear pretty soon donald trump like ask attorney general bill barr word question little thank attorney general barr start thank mr president mr vice president decisive leadership unprecedented battle save american life department justice work hard protect health safety personnel time keep enforcement effort throttle like thank colleague law enforcement federal level state local partner police officer sheriff deputy protect serve community great risk attorney general barr like start remark order president mention ensure availability critical medical health supply hoarding price gouging march president issue executive order invoke defense production act respect health medical resource need respond spread include ppe ventilator start evidence potential hoarding price gouging early today president sign second executive order provide authority address necessary hoarding threaten supply necessary health medical resource section defense production act president authorize prohibit hoarding need resource designate material scarce material supply threaten person accumulate excessive amount specific material designate person prohibit accumulate item excess reasonable personal business need purpose sell excess prevail market price crime engage prohibit activity attorney general barr today executive order president delegate secretary hhs authority protect hoarding designate critical item item designate department justice go work hhs identify case hoarding impede supply health medical resource need respond pandemic today convene task force meet national task force work supply chain issue specifically problem hoarding price gouging designate united state attorney office lead prosecutor responsible district pursue case want wait order sign receive evidence recently initiate investigation activity disrupt supply chain suggestive hoard attorney general barr want stress talk consumer business stockpile supply operation talk people horde good material industrial scale purpose manipulate market ultimately derive windfall profit big supply toilet paper house worry sit warehouse mask surgical mask hear knock door mr president turn donald trump inaudible donald trump deborah deborah birx thank mr vice president deborah birx start want thank minister health world send datum despite fight particularly european colleague continue send primarily mortality datum critical midst level fight european country follow mortality datum good insight right epidemic proceed country test level understand depth breadth new case deborah birx mortality datum provide child succumb virus europe year china severity child reassure mom dad generation z millennial colleague forefront response percent mortality think important point mean individual will severe disease mortality come europe general preexist condition preexist condition piece hold italy majority mortality have preexisting condition think reassure change need continue protect elderly order protect elderly need continue president directive guidance week day challenge deborah birx want close thank laboratory personnel line test run seven day happen large commercial laboratory round clock run remember expose virus way swab tirelessly work result available get test run day primarily expand roshe highthroughput tricore machine result get client ask prioritize hospitalize patient deborah birx breakthrough today think fda wait self swabbing option go available time week able individual test say remember platform keep need diagnose hospital come emergency room ill hospital bed free covid critical need test change clinical course come test think mortality datum give reassuring deborah birx conclude new york city new york metro area new jersey new york city part long island attack rate close thousand time area see highthroughput lab investigation find submit specimen positive area rest country friend colleague new york group need absolutely social distance self isolate time clearly virus circulate number week level penetrance general community donald trump deborah inaudible mike pence mr president mike pence white house coronavirus task force meet today convene president direction conference nation governor focus effort mitigation testing supply discuss president recent approval disaster declaration washington california new york assure governor submit major disaster declaration review expeditious manner ensure resource federal government bring bear president want clear federal government take support effort locally execute state manage federally support reiterate governor today listen specific need frankly clear president publish coronavirusgov day slow spread american million americans address common sense guideline prevent spread coronavirus day ahead clear governor president administration fully support decision governor make community state particularly impact spread coronavirus grateful effort mike pence speak governor importance legislation currently negotiate capitol hill ask encourage member house senate quickly bill currently negotiate president say believe resolve soon encourage speed direct payment family average family receive directly payroll subsidy small business america people payroll require stay home unemployment insurance benefit assistance hospital major industry continue urge congress act ask governor engage delegation mike pence subject testing reiterate thank state country rapidly expand testing drive site community site dr birx reflect unprecedented public private partnership president initiate commercial lab stand today test having complete test result deliver americans somewhat contract coronaviru state run effort continue receive support team fema public health service deploy personnel deploy resource testing literally expand country hour dr birx mention fda process review invasive method test president reflect fact test work fda possible self collect nasal swabs individual end nasal passage collect sample pleased report self collect swab collect clinic drive testing site mike pence swab collect clinic drivethru testing site expedite testing process course reduce risk healthcare provider exposure coronavirus minimize drain personal protective equipment current test go pretty significantly nasal passage people wear gear change gear new selfadministered test actually require drain personal protective equipment effort admiral polowczyk discuss moment meet supply need country meet effort conservation mike penny subject testing important remember old book say healthy need doctor sick symptom need coronavirus test encourage american adhere testing resource available people symptomatic mike pence issue today health human service new guidance direct commercial lab prioritize testing hospitalize patient guidance go tonight remind governor today state laboratory hospital laboratory require law report result coronavirus test cdc mike pence subject supply meeting today fema receive report new supply chain stabilization task force rear admiral john polowczyk lead fema task force work identify medical supply exist marketplace today evaluate national stockpile work industry country produce critical medical supply mike pence president say business america step maybe history m fact divert mask commercial customer deliver today new york seattle facebook acknowledge donate emergency reserve mask healthcare worker example generosity business mike pence see company step forward repurpose manufacturing facility create ventilator create equipment know speak president grateful proud mike pence discuss governor real breakthrough availability ventilator call governor survey outpatient surgical center hospital operating room surgical ventilator anesthesiologist use fda decision render weekend easily convert ventilator people struggle severe illness coronavirus call governor conversation state leader survey surgical center hospital operate room identify equipment new fda guideline able convert help meet need ventilator country mike pence day president day slow spread american people rise challenge day remain end day go need american seriously listen state local health authority additional strong guidance area coronavirus spread severe mike pence american know family community practice principle social distancing drive local restaurant enormous difference lower trajectory coronavirus spread country go ongoing cooperation american people compassion ingenuity american industry dedicated leadership state federal level know slow spread protect vulnerable heal land donald trump mike john polowczyk mr vice president rear admiral john polowczyk supply chain task force lead fema task increase supply critical medical supply include personal protective equipment ventilator item like want moment explain organization stand week day approach john polowczyk chart focus lead personal protective equipment medical supply focus lead ventilator john polowczyk line effort line effort preservation leader tonight talk ability stuff last long john polowczyk team people search globe personal protective equipment figure figure need buy transport fast john polowczyk line effort call reallocation work industry partner illuminate supply chain vendor distributor separate system sight picture supply chain bring industry partner weave well allocation decision understand need john polowczyk line call expansion hear today want convert plant want business tool help john polowczyk focus area right ppe ventilator line effort work problem task increase supply thank sir donald trump thank john mr president washington post report total death today cross time morning surgeon general today say want americans understand go bad share prognosis donald trump course go bad lot people die flu know bad flu season bad look like certainly go bad try bad think good job donald trump look country look kind number compare large country number pretty amazing start fact stop people come highly infected area good thing yeah bad obviously number go increase time go start decrease donald trump go open country business country mean open work especially worker engine system company company love worker pay big salary big dollar worker go go soon hopefully soon donald trump speaker try reconcile thing say thing go bad want country open quickly possible guess question week dr birx dr fauchi tell need continue measure health vulnerable population country go sorry economy important donald trump happen understand question great question thing time country learn lot learn social distancing learn hand learn stay away time little bit disease want different name different name virus donald trump start think example part country lightly effect small number look state great governor pete rickett nebraska look kind number great hospital relative talk look nebraska look idaho look iowa country handle affect extent frankly nearly extent new york deal governor cuomo deal send ship way know ship go los angeles ship come large repair ready soon week come new york new york harbor fully supply work right speaker maybe dr birx speak share president optimism week situation hotspot country crosstalk donald trump week say soon go soon go month people say lot people think originally certainly let answer speaker worried city state infection lag indicator go start see case deborah birx raise important issue think know lot test hospital time diagnose people risk option new therapeutic option therapeutic option available know diagnosis focused add abbott thermo fisher hologic cepheid platform cepheid new platform point care slow get match throughput need kind equipment platform move simultaneously case finding surveillance area low number mitigation aggressively place high number deborah birx go blunt force mean honest sure virus go think week concentrate figure exactly virus make projection go impact mitigation piece learn tackle epidemic world focus resource intervention structural prevention intervention area virus circulate people understand virus tailored geographically tailor age group understand great risk understand protect speaker datum show month president say will need follow broad guideline lay deborah birx datum think know area move curve china south korea country learn week curve state hot spot united states go curve seed come different time washington state curve week ahead new york granular way understand charge president give use data analytic datum input define issue virus go prediction bellshape curve donald trump think great definition go watch senior citizen closely go watch certain hotspot like new york new york area troubling work governor mayor everybody spot donald trump time certain point open move want lose company want lose worker want care worker think relatively quickly learn lot period necessary period tremendous information gain thing time donald trump active flu season active look like head death death case death lot look automobile accident far great number talk mean go tell everybody driving car thing country open incredible period learn announcement fairly short period timing john john president want ask guideline testing obviously senator rand paul test positive coronavirus contact anybody know positive major symptom guideline guideline outline get test get point go basically defiance guideline get test show senate right infect senate donald trump let answer deborah birx important recommendation american people important say level asymptomatic mild spread person responsible person responsible way decrease interaction foot social distance thank deborah birx assume interact positive get hand washing piece get piece talk surface think figure respiratory transmission versus surface transmission hard surface transmission fabric critical way virus spread subway metro people hold thing people recently hold real question john example rand paul obviously people similar situation example get test show senate day place work deborah birx guideline infect social distancing wash hand talk talk people choice job come notice weekend think need personal responsibility saturday little low grade fever donald trump deborah birx actually probably gi thing meticulous physician look walter reed get test late saturday night negative stay home day donald trump thank say thank deborah birx yeah sure protect everybody take temperature day symptom kind thing personal responsibility talk practice john mr president want cure bad problem say keep measure place couple month month donald trump place point go open country go fairly soon john month crosstalk donald trump look month tell right go open country go watch certain area go practice deborah refer right mean go watch closely close year okay donald trump go away go win battle tremendous responsibility job people tremendous anxiety depression suicide thing like terrible economy death probably mean definitely far great number number talk regard virus obligation double obligation donald trump great country country like world economy like world mean blaze come number number report happen meaningless get number meaningless time number come different world donald trump tell thing john time mean okay go tremendous learning process solve lot problem go tremendous learn situation build hospital new york build hospital california build hospital state washington touch governor today speak man happen like speak phil new jersey go meaningful new jersey speak jb pritzker call today go help illinois lot thing florida donald trump lot thing fema army corps engineer admiral group term purchasing purchase suppose great tell day go fantastic job incredibly talented group people yeah thing thing time donald trump time go watch closely hotspot go take care watch closely senior citizen especially problem illness go watch closely open economy open country cause problem maybe cause big problem problem talk understand jeff jeff president follow topic tweet think cure far bad problem donald trump think cure tough tough operation somebody go doctor say need operation operation learn lot fix lot problem thing fix look absolute system administration inherit mean mean small group people good obsolete donald trump testing program hopefully able year future event like think event like unique look time look decade decade year know like turn lose lot people early early jeff fact close early big kristin yeah ahead jim jim want follow sir say previously think podium virus july august suggest government change standard recommendation donald trump change thing yeah learning experience people country jim wonder time frame change donald trump change jim julyaugust timeframe think virus control donald trump think learn lot think discipline say shake hand actually politician politician hard getting everybody literally thousand people week shake hand big group people donald trump learn lot great discipline country learn have distancing have shake hand think lot go stay long virus think probably good practice think go stay long virus go donald trump open country cause problem opinion far big problem far big look severe medical situation cause problem far medical increase medical problem thing original medical problem let happen country great country world go let happen week spend incredible learning period process kristin kristin question say likely go week month suggest ease guideline doctor team tell right path pursue donald trump speak today tell thing look forward forget doctor doctor let shut let shut entire world country let shut entire world shut wonderful let shut couple year know country especially number economy world far number economy world kristin say donald trump cause big problem original talk cure bad problem cure bad problem retrace twoweek period good say end time seven day say end time say incredible learning process go future go open country go watch new york go watch california go watch state washington place illinois hotspot donald trump quarantine mean quarantine people area area affect affect little close country area new york new york open area new york remember new york new york stock exchange nasdaq exchange close new york stock exchange nasdaq great work mean go largely computer look floor incredible fully open want donald trump say basically thing simultaneously incredible learning period plus people period will call oh gee get people come think open point set guideline set dateline announce distant future kristin doctor team endorse ease federal guideline donald trump endorse talk think okay okay big problem create big problem problem start nation go go probably similar donald trump case magnitude economy tremendous size build job involve million job country far far number job million turn think go wonderful tremendous repercussion tremendous death death talk death donald trump death talk death probably death talk respect virus reporter death continue strict guideline ease donald trump think go think say think announce date get fairly close come date short period time hear news report think everybody happy great knowledge gain reporter question question mr president second economic advisor larry kudlow say today talk say going difficult tradeoff use guideline want economy crosstalk donald trump mean democrats talk reporter say talk say know cure bad problem talk reopen business get economy go go difficult tradeoff donald trump true say hear say difficult tradeoff sure convenient walk hop subway grab handle go wall street sort thing open door go great building exchange go maybe think go think different way donald trump tradeoff different life maybe remain way frankly invisible scourge go maybe go way bad thing stay way tradeoff question actually think go think end go end bigger well strong learn lot reporter question see increase case latin america middle east donald trump true latin america reporter place asia consider new round travel ban donald trump like happen guess think go ban united states go hopefully care one latin america uptick yeah reporter mr president quickly second question prompt beginning beginning comment go care asian americans particular crosstalk donald trump little bit nasty language asian americans country like incredible people love country go let happen want point reporter think contradict donald trump blame china reporter chinese virus donald trump blame china make statement great american citizen happen asian heritage go let happen reporter want reopen country school country close state close rest school year parent suppose work educate child right donald trump governor state lot leeway open open governor certain state instance state mention school go open case open school go open case governor cuomo gavin newsom california certain governor go maybe decision decision open certain new york maybe westchester county close donald trump go leeway give governor lot leeway reporter agree decision close month point governor say expect peak couple month decision rest year donald trump governor go decision go governor capable able decision reporter explain trillion economic stimulus need go reopen country period week month donald trump virus big impact country go stimulus worker live life fault worker fault go kick kick way think worker fair start small business take good care want care small business engine country lot people know think great big beautiful business way badly hurt donald trump small business historically engine engine country amazed worker love business worker contact want help business living donald trump pay lot money year see happen year salary wage go substantially worker get catch sudden craziness come country come world need sure company strong worker strong hopefully republicans democrats go able deal actually fairly close happen reporter need trillion question small point donald trump thing go save company shatter go save mean know lot company company think great company world name boeing boeing go need help boeing difficulty unlike company problem come boeing obvious problem everybody know little year ago double problem big donald trump get ready stuff hit obviously airline go problem airline go buy boeing anybody right difficulty work airline work cruise line work company like boeing boeing potentially great company rough period month rough period horrible period unbelievable period donald trump tell happen boeing believe truly great truly great probably point gdp think hard believe company kind impact boeing work reason donald trump great company save number produce unbelievable number job number reflective kind thing know go wonderful people work hard want bill department justice want admiral start go job thing deb anybody question maybe ask mike stay anybody question group let work reporter clarify dr birx talk different geographical slope curve change say number come new york give indication know seed use metaphor plant confident start date curve geographical area president indicate adjust policy deborah birx good question know backtrack people seriously ill probably get infect versus expose start back piece start see hospitalize patient know virus probably week substantially circulate population deborah birx look testing improve want applaud group work know look pandemic flu preparedness build flu platform think simultaneous respiratory disease hit exactly time flu hit country flu surveillance small case pneumonia flulike illness characterize flulike illness week deborah birx caution look pandemic preparedness plan long way say know washington state little bit ahead new york hospitalization record country testing available able president talk simultaneously simultaneously containment contract trace time mitigation deborah birx think right mitigation geographically specific datum zip code county able approach laser focused way make sure area absolutely appropriate little bellshape curve reporter birx donald trump ahead reporter birx government roll antibody test people know possibly expose deborah birx come fda believe obviously interested reason retrospective infection actually infect asymptomatic versus mild versus come spectrum secondly people high titer antibodie solution plasmapheresis need making hyperimmune globulin know critical deborah birx think couple week talk fda save flu swab strep throat swab hiv test deborah birx kind test know critical future want thing lot number population go infect population base model understand way number go cycle talk cycle currently cycle cycle order level population infect know vaccine likely season go hopefully therapeutic fall season reason focused blunt curve piece virus come facility diagnosis testing monoclonal antibodie treatment vaccine reporter birx question serology blood test people say hold real promise fda approve widely available deborah birx ask igg igm point care tell problem make elisa today draw blood process blood run plate past want finger prick type assay fingerprint igg igm work right reporter long approve available deborah birx answer look company development process reporter sound like deborah birx develop singapore look work donald trump fairly quick deborah birx look know quality orient want sure people false negative false positive donald trump question lot angry medium room want seat social distancing keep keep time angry angry people like start like time seat like brim like people sit lap donald trump row pack outside want jealous reporter know look like forever deborah birx learn lot social distancing respiratory disease donald trump deborah birx think discussion future talk change behavior pattern touch conscious remember worried saturday morning try think touch friday touch door knob wash hand deborah birx mean piece touch face accident think awareness push door turn doorknob hurry think think twice think think donald trump virus go people allow sit opinion tight room tight deborah birx know look new respiratory piece certainly way set clinic world worried tb tb transmission reporter birx wonder comment new measure britain place germany say want crowd people family pretty restrictive number inform thinking come advice period president vice president deborah birx president vice president ask look single scenario single country datum decision completely datum inform understand impact interested right mean italy obviously wait march virus circulate week actually go methodology time look like number mortality rate start decline illustration thing week ago actually impact deborah birx kind datum look carefully careful datum united states exactly virus attack rate move confined geography look piece information lot datum reporter think germany britain move deborah birx think remember week ago britain different approach everybody adapt datum look datum inform decision comment get decision germany reporter birx clear agree president push reopen country say doctor talk say think okay okay deborah birx president ask assemble datum good medical recommendation base datum ask week go week donald trump deborah birx decision come monday day reduce social spread consistent mandate use piece information order president opinion back datum perception opinion back datum reporter think week like assessment right look forward deborah birx pull datum piece critical like speculate datum datum order understand donald trump think big factor mortality rate talk mortality rate start people think talk low number think reporter number donald trump think number lot different people think deborah birx mortality rate drive exclusively talk people preexist condition old beginning emphasis start week ago talk focus protect preexist condition elderly think step protect preexist condition key change mortality rate hospital care prevent go hospital begin need want infect donald trump low originally think mean frankly deborah birx donald trump lot low reporter estimate number deborah birx know estimate wuhan originally look outside wuhan depend south korea want like tyranny average know have probably miss datum test asymptomatic remember deborah birx country symptomatic test make case fatality rate miss significant datum lower want people reassure death rate escalate age preexist condition deborah birx want clear low low low inflection curve people average age person die italy mideightie significant issue old generation feel strongly protect donald trump interesting thing incredible subject somebody sick doctor hospital record sick live live happen somebody sick hear people know heal hear people like cold running nose people stay home think flu case think bad case flu donald trump people vast majority mean vast majority people report call doctor call deborah birx donald trump get well think people sick go doctor go someplace go well people short people mean people literally know build number case talk know know crosstalk vast number know people sick donald trump people sick go doctor form doctor report case deborah birx question antibody test critical well baseline understand john mr president talk big problem say stage guideline place talk high death talk suicide like help understand crosstalk donald trump talk form john risk depression get donald trump talk look number country talk tremendous disruption economically talk massive depression massive number suicide john mean economic depression donald trump talk talk economic talk john talk economic depression donald trump talk people suffer massive depression fantastic job idea go good news bill pass take care people go good care people country people like donald trump talk people suffer massive depression people commit suicide tremendous death happen addition talk economic hurt country year year recover long stay hard recover happen think go v think go big bounce know big bounce think go big john bill pass donald trump think bill pass pass quickly john confident donald trump care worker care company pay worker help company rough patch long take hard come like able bounce ultimately think go say happen cure cure bad problem right let happen let happen donald trump learn good thing go happen country let continue meet doctor drfauci dr birx start discussion student like student learn learn lot deborah learn lot tony donald trump learn lot lot people life work learn lot go come date go thing thing time time go vigilant go vigilant term thing talk week ad nauseum think go ultimately far well solution country yeah ahead reporter advice dr fauci donald trump want want work immediately thank great job thank deborah reporter birx question donald trump deborah male speaker donald trump will let reporter week leave day slow spread talk reopen government quickly undermine mean today social distance run cherry blossom deborah birx reinforce people know consider try understand impact good work think reinforce good work day week future say look carefully impact work selflessness bring ability stay home fabulous child ability social distance ability go restaurant have takeout deborah birx sacrifice ability protect eld generation great generation make sure safe nursing home see sacrifice see grandchild week know people like personal sacrifice ask american personal sacrifice week evaluate impact sacrifice think strengthen willpower yes donald trump reporter president crosstalk thought fauci today donald trump ahead second reporter thing public health official say helpful open aca exchange people worried get treatment sign insurance open enrollment period open crosstalk donald trump talk lot people happen talk people ahead reporter dr fauci right briefing attend future one donald trump long time vice president pence task force donald trump task force meeting right vice president pence task force donald trump task force meeting reporter agree need reopen economy soon donald trump agree mean long talk understand tremendous tremendous cost country term life term economic term year rebuild fine tune machine fault happen horrible virus come happen happen fully understand good man like dr fauci lot understand donald trump discuss good soon yeah discuss date time talk want use word abbreviate gain talk period know day long reporter president donald trump think go lot people happy go lot company happy go lot worker happy yeah john john president ultimately dr fauci recommendation think look set input donald trump certainly important listen listen deborah speak listen expert lot people good ultimately balance act donald trump balancing act expression thing time get incredible country way include economic include life death way speaker president talk social distancing reporter mention come potentially come come white house press court pledge american people room open clearly foot apart donald trump get like room room convenient standpoint president united states convenient room people set think close ask question think term close good reason close build large speaker mean crosstalk donald trump want commitment like think certain people like large room build need large room president need large room need large room people mind honest yes reporter right quarter know go brutal listen brain trust help period opinion chair crosstalk donald trump period reporter second quarter morgan stanley goldman sachs predict pretty dire second quarter listen brain trust medical advisor donald trump think listen people mean world know people people friend enemy way good world like world like people tough smart listen ultimately computer go decision important man right right great vice president get great instinct thing go listen case head task force think brilliantly think go job good soothe great american public watch donald trump mean positive way solidity mike find people soothe good american public confidence think incredible job advice important go make mean come world world finance understand world finance great governor indiana financially reporter will listen donald trump list probably set committee go leave speak people reporter spigot today donald trump reporter happy fed turn spigot donald trump happy yes think think catch right thing think ultimately reward decision step week tell call today say jerome good job crosstalk little bit slow like sense people like today call jerome powell say jerome good job proud take courage ultimately go fruit finish mean get arrow quiver tell get plenty arrow happy job reporter vice president say bring secretary education yesterday today today expect week yesterday say guidance people potentially expose virus return work soon expect guidance mike pence thank question speak secretary education today go podium soon department education create easy waiver application state virtually automatic application state want excuse national standardized testing requirement review governor today call distance learn accreditation process high education secretary education president urging loosen rule distance learn see college university embrace distance learning put practice allow department education set website good practice information k distance learning actually tell state florida new hampshire set pace distance learn mike pence wife elementary school teacher obviously different challenge distance learn k student particularly young kid department education determined continue good practice available talk website build come make presentation president reflect little bit ago dr burkes understand lot kid school parent anxious lot kid college university like daughter dismiss remain semester grad school bu work department education work earnestly reality reporter mike pence sorry reporter week mike pence week mean give issue deal today attorney general think timely day regard guidance ask president coronavirus task force process review recommendation cdc work department homeland security bring president recommendation approval specifically look people work critical infrastructure people law enforcement people critical transportation mike pence right department homeland security website useful definition critical infrastructure look second page day slow spread president recommendation day people stay home work possible people work critical infrastructure guidance look forward unpack people come contact test positive coronavirus able symptom able return work wear mask certain period time business focus critical infrastructure job guidance president public tomorrow speaker president understandably patchwork donald trump wait want think china step probably know agricultural purchase farmer purchase difficult time right step purchase significantly happy thing stand case vice president try let ask want have subject frankly pretty care right think important want stand hour think important system question think important public know want answer question leave want answer question donald trump long think give country confidence give think gain knowledge unbelievable process get want stay hour answer question transparent think go hard time say transparent lot question unfortunately repetitive fantastic question question great question lead solve problem bring problem people know exist want let know transparent yeah ahead speaker president patchwork plan understandably moment coordinate economic response leader moment donald trump speaker donald trump close couple great talk plus speak number individually yeah closely align speaker vice president vice president pence talk self swab test available say week know day know go mike pence fda announce decision understanding go directly market good estimate timeline president charge task force promote creativity innovation possible frankly dr hahn president say fda remarkable job go review approval process new methodology record time reflect little bit ago fact pretty sure set record think day phase clinical trial vaccine actually clinical trial today mike pence new approval study united health group gate group mean self collect nasal swabs available go work fema governor country sure distribute method swab support material vast array lab stand country donald trump go big difference process easy oppose current process say pleasant speaker question want clarity week decide guideline ease reinstate day follow advice dr birx dr fauci maintain week donald trump ultimately decision certainly listen listen number people lot respect dr fauci dr birx listen good john john worry quickly lift restriction quickly virus start spread unabated sure go happen donald trump system system place powerful alternative consideration say thing get think number look go know life fragile economy fragile thing mortality rate john start know particular virus little mean start hear number astronomical number flu right astronomical number see number include exercise go people report everybody get sick report get sick donald trump equation keep reduce number mortality rate big big factor hear remember day think get lot bad number country know get lot bad number wish relationship good china wish tell little bit soon know mortality rate big thing think substantially terrible thing concept death terrible tremendous difference learn think number low people think say yeah jeff president instruct secretary manisha work bill congress meet demand democrats regard donald trump think deal night democrats change deal deal night go phenomenal worker number aim want care worker deal pretty sure deal night tell certain time tell pretty deal sudden change change fairly rapidly unaccepte bad country ask thing good mean thing bear relationship talk say game play game look democrats want deal jeff think deal night jeff process decide stimulus need able work speaker pelosi donald trump work anybody help american people care work anybody feel go help american people american worker yeah speaker president state report shortage material need actually process test administration state material need donald trump see admiral see fema people see army corps engineer build hospital new york california state washington new jersey commitment fill go help area new jersey important great state great job help governor governor line governor cuomo work hard work hospital medical center hospital call hospital medical center build numerous new york lay javit center location state donald trump think great plan go fema army corps engineer involve work build wall mile wall southern border turn important originally think think important have border work army corps engineer business know professional good donald trump go lot good thing happen state state mention state work governor ron desantis florida work governor mcmaster right south carolina little bit breakout comparison little bit work governor state actually state think pretty good control great job work state primarily fema army corps engineer capable reporter stimulus ask question behalf radio pool colleague tamara keith npr ask ask mention thing night unacceptable bad country democrats bring stimulus conversation question provision absolutely support plant right donald trump lot provision want like stock buy back agree good mean like buy stock like spend money airplane employee real business buy stock know provision go way republican tell think democrat put like problem night problem tell reporter want know want cash relief directly americans number like crosstalk donald trump think talk right family correct family bold continue build continue later date big number remember talk moment family ahead speaker look economic headwind face wonder thing concerned strength dollar address include crosstalk donald trump strong dollar strong dollar good way tough way make trade hard make hard caterpillar tractor company sell good europe china sell have strong dollar good sound good truth make certain thing like trade tough dollar know see dollar strong especially currency strong make trading difficult nice have strong dollar right matter president strong dollar trading different speaker statement confident go deal donald trump think democrats want deal think want deal foolish deal american public demand tell republicans want deal want deal good worker good country believe democrats want deal stop ask thing bear relationship talk speaker lot crosstalk donald trump actually bad actually good country speaker laudatory inaudible democratic governor mention governor cuomo mention stimulus bill wonder extend bipartisan goodwill speaker pelosi invite signing ceremony donald trump let happen happen right deal think close mean leave ago try answer question nice exhausted say hand maybe question great unique look want good country mean meet think great want good country great worker great citizen united states crosstalk speaker speak pelosi donald trump little yeah speaker vice president test virus mrs penn say lady test donald trump speaker donald trump great fine speaker donald trump reporter sticking point stimulus go hold treasury accountable billion corporate recipe fund donald trump need help company chance company anymore go good thing country deal talk certain people great people history wall street frankly deal stock america stock united states time importantly company healthy incredible deal country number increase exponentially mean reporter fun lack oversight treasury unilateral authority dual money donald trump look oversight oversight go good deal good deal company need simple loan well company willing well mean get hit company fault couple trouble come talk trouble believe actually donald trump company fault difficulty mean week ago company solid institution world want buy bond bond rate aaa high rating today sudden difficulty close need go money go waste money money go see multiply number time come american public phenomenal thing importantly go great engine job ingenuity go important ahead crosstalk speaker sir thing regret way handle crisis far word regret donald trump think look forward look guess everybody regret thing life regret regret thing like look forward person look forward thinker guess think handle american public think handle look polling datum interested interested american people go million million job solid rock week ago today question donald trump fast go likely store little business big business medium sized business open go fast believe pent demand think soon let go pretty soon go pretty soon go soon people think position care country time country like rocket ship economically great job great yeah jeff mr president like ask question colleague room social distancing donald trump jeff colleague room social distance florida want ask governor desantis close beach state donald trump governor mean think great governor incredible job governor desantis florida beach guess recently decision lot room beach think decision originally refine lot people agree lot thing right truly mean care health care care cost prescription drug fantastic governor florida happy 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Ep. 1949 - Andrew Tate’s Filthy Grift Published: 4/17/2024 (in RSS feed: 53m 12s) There are a few things in life where if somebody tells you those things, You know 100% that they are a grifter, they're a conman. They're trying to con you into something. The most obvious sign of a con artist is somebody who's telling you that a well-known well-worn truth, something that is absolutely irrefutable is not true. They know better. They know better because they've seen through the matrix, they've seen through that truth, that truth is actually a mask for the underlying reality. Now, it may be that there are some widely held notions that are untrue, but in order to debunk those notions, you would actually have to show why your notions are better. However, if you are the kind of person who suggests, for example, that hard work is useless, I have a better way, a better way. That better way is gonna earn you fast money without a lot of work, without getting yourself educated, without putting in the hours, without developing a skillset, that person is conning you. They're lying to you. If somebody were to tell you, for example, that there is an easy, easy way for you to get absolutely fit with no exercise and eating trash, that person would be lying to you. That person would be conning you because obviously you need to eat healthy and do exercise if you want to be in shape. And the biggest one of all, and it's been held true by pretty much every grift movement of the last couple of centuries, is the idea that you should not get married. That marriage is bad for you, that somehow marriage is going to ruin your life. Now, there are a lot of problems with the current legal structure of marriage. I agree with that critique of the current legal structure of marriage. No fault. Divorce is one of the worst things that ever happened to western civilization. Marriage is a commitment. That commitment is lifelong. There should actually have to be a really, really, really good reason why you are divorcing, and that's particularly true if you have children because of course, marriage is designed as the fundamental building block of institutional society. It is the place where children are reared. It is the place where you produce children in the first place and children require stability. It is from those fundamental building blocks of civilization, the little platoons as Edmund Burke called them, that you can actually build a functional free civilization, which is why every Grift history movement of the last couple of centuries has assaulted the family from the outside. So for example, Karl Marx, very big on assaulting the family. The Communist Manifesto famously suggests abolition of the family. Why? Because the family is a place where you might learn bourgeois values. It's a place where you might be inculcated into things like responsibility, duty, church. These are all very bad things according to the Marxist movement, which is why the Communist Manifesto says on what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based on capital, on private gain in its completely developed form. This family exists only among the bourgeois, but this state of things finds its compliment in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians and in public prostitution, and so blowing up the family would allow for a better world. Don't get married, fight the fight, blow up the traditional institutions that actually support a functional society and fight the fight. This is also why today the New York Times has an entire article titled Lessons from the 20 Person Poly Q, because the New York Times also wishes to destroy the fundamental basis of Western civilization, namely the family. And they wish to do this because they wish to build something new atop the ruins. They wish to create a society of atomized individuals who then can be molded and shaped according to the whims of the New York Times. Because once you're isolated from other human beings, once you have no duty to your family, once you have no duty to kids, once you have no duty to the community that is built upon those families, well then we can militarize you in any possible direction, which is why you've seen so many left-wing outlets lately pushing for polyamory in the same way that the Communist manifesto once pushed for polyamory and the holding of all sex sexes in common. So for example, today the New York Times says, quote, the word poly is a synthesis of polyamory, engaging multiple romantic relationships and molecule. It's not clear when the word was coined, but it seems to have started catching on around 15 years ago to suggest an intricate structure formed of people with overlapping deep attachments, romantic, sexual, sensual, platonic. It's difficult to describe a poly. Words like family and network are used, but neither on its own captures it. Perhaps it's best left to a poly to offer descriptions. These are the voices and images of people who are part of a poly in the Boston area. Katie says the word the poly cool is like this weird family. Anne says, it's a chosen family. It works like complex kinship networks work only a little kinkier. It reflects radical queer values. Well, I mean of course it does. Of course it does, because the basic idea of the left is that every single person is basically a malleable widget violating the strictures of the evil society, right? This is part of the big con. The big con is the idea that there are things like gender roles, and these gender roles are rooted in biology, but if you can see through that immutable truth, then you'll have destroyed the matrix. This is the perspective of the left, and this is why they fight the family. This is also why children have basically become to this group of people a tote bag. It's something that you occasionally have in order to manipulate in a particular form or fashion, but this is not restricted to the left. The attack on the family is not unfortunately restricted to the political left. All grifters, all con men have to take immutable truths and they have to attempt to subvert those immutable truths in favor of something. Only they have uncovered something incredible that you never knew about, and if only you take that red pill, then you'll know it. You'll know it, and then you'll be, you won't have to do hard work in order to be rich. 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I've been trusting PureTalk with my own phone calls for years. You should do the same. PureTalk dot com slash shapiro today. Again, that's PureTalk dot com slash shapiro Andrew Tate who got his start as a provocative reality TV star who then started a webcam business grooming women into sex trafficking effectively, and that is according to his own admission. That's how he made his money. Whether he says that they were groomed or not groomed, the reality is he groomed women into getting into the webcam industry, which is pornography. Well, Andrew Tate has this game. This is his game, his game, Andrew Tate. He's going incredibly popular online for a reason which we'll examine in a moment. Number one, Andrew. Tate is very entertaining. He's entertaining because he explodes the myths, but the way that he quote unquote explodes the myths is he plays a really stupid game. It's a game for stupid people. The game is like this. I'm going to say two transgressive things, things that violate the taboos of the culture around me. One of those things is true and one of those things is false. But because they're both transgressive and because people will oppose me on both of them, one for bad reasons and one for good reasons, this means that I have somehow gotten under the skin of the matrix. Everyone opposes me, which is why I'm a rebel. That's Andrew Tate's entire game. So he will say things like feminism has ruined men by usurping the male rule and robbing men of their initiative. That is a true thing. That is a true thing that is not politically correct to say. Then he will say another transgressive thing that is absolutely false. Like for example, women love it when you treat them like garbage and you should treat women like garbage. And dominant men are the kind of men who treat women like garbage. That is not a true thing. It's a transgressive thing, and it's transgressive specifically because it's evil. It's a bad thing to say, it's a bad thing to think. Women should not be treated like trash and good women do not want to be treated like trash. And you treating women like trash is not gonna make your life better and it's not gonna make their life better. But it's a transgressive thing to say it is taboo. And so Andrew Tate has violated so many taboos and he can get away with it because of course the rules don't apply to him. He's a Nietzsche and Uber man because he's very, very buff and because he works out a lot and because he smokes cigars, and this means you should listen to him, you should listen to him in fact, so much that you should pay him 49 99 a month to join Hustler's University where you'll learn other secrets. Like for example, you don't need hard work and initiative in order to really get ahead. You can learn his magical methods for making lots and lots of money. You can own a Bugatti just like Andrew. Tate owns a Bugatti, and all you have to do is listen to his magical business advice, which explodes all of the matrix explodes the matrices of truth, the immutable truths. Now, why am I talking about Andrew Tate today? The reason I'm talking about Andrew Tate today is because Andrew Tate, again, playing the two transgressive things, one true, one false game, has over the past few months said some true things and then said a lot of false things. All of them transgressive, right? So the true thing that he has said is he said, quote, I pray Christianity regains its strength and protects its societies against the pervasive and constant erosion of morality by the devotees of Satan. If you accept everything, you stand for nothing. I agree with literally every word of that Andrew Tate statement that Christianity ought to regain its strength and protect it society against the pervasive and constant erosion of morality by the devotees of Satan. I agree with all of those things actually. Then Andrew, Tate will put out tweets like the one that he did yesterday. Here is Andrew Tate's tweet, and this is why it comes up in the context of marriage. Again, he's telling you, an immutable truth must be exploded. That immutable truth is the fundamental good and necessity of family. Quote, dear white men, you are effed, you're being replaced because none of you have children. Okay? So again, even within this tweet, he is saying a couple of things. One, trans all transgressive, some true, some false one. Western societies are not reproducing a replacement rate. That's a very bad thing. We've talked about that on the show a lot. It is why, for example, family is necessary, but he goes further because of course, this is his game to say many transgressive things, some true, some false quote, dear white men, you're effed. You're being replaced because none of you have children. Even those of you about the replacement online, like little girls don't find the gumption to f. I see white men bragging about having five kids as if it's an achievement. LOL five, LOL per year, right? Oh, all you white boys lost control of your women. He's a genius. YOU apostrophe RE. All you white boys lost control of your women, and now they won't accept multiple wives anymore. Now they tell you they don't want any more kids, one's enough. Okay? Again, just move the apostrophe. In any case, put aside the gram grammatical. Picayune concerns is they don't wanna do their God-given job anymore. No, they want Instagram likes instead. So your genetic potential is stumped by the whims of some singular female, A female who takes nine whole months to grow a single baby. Other races have multiple ovens for bread. We're not cocked. Some is screaming at you about loyalty, and you're sitting there saying, yes, baby ing off to porn when she's asleep. Or maybe cheating with a side condom on, oh no, I couldn't get another woman pregnant. My wife would kill me. Total effing losers sooner. Race will be nothing more than a few pages in a history book, a lesson on what happens when you f the female psyche so hard. They're obsessed with money and social media as opposed to being one of many baby factories for a king, 30 children, minimum four, the Dons white people go talk to your best friend wife about what to do this weekend. Maybe you can take a nice walk around the Ikea. Enjoy extinction. Okay, so again, one true thing, many false things. One true thing, people need to be having more kids in Western civilization. The many false things, marriage is bad. Loyalty to your spouse is bad. Society can be built on men running around having sex with 30 women and having 30 kids per year. And this is the true measure of a man. And young men think of that like, wow, that sounds amazing, because of course the male sex drive looks for various women. That is just the way that mammalian biology is built. Men, males seek to impregnate many females. And so that sounds great to a bunch of young men who are off to Andrew Tate's webcam business. It sounds amazing to them. That's also not how societies are built. But again, the idea is, and this is how You know it's a con, marriage is bad, right? He's actively saying that marriage is bad because if you are a person who has five kids, LOL, now Andrew, Tate himself claims that he has double digit kids. We've never met any of those kids. We don't know exactly who the moms are. They maybe it's like a girlfriend in Canada, we don't actually know. But for those of us who do have say four kids, I have four kids, I've been married for 15 years. If you have four kids, double the replacement rate, you are in fact doing your societal job and you should be doing that. But that can only exist. Functional children. Children who are going to propagate good values require a father in the home. See, here's the thing. If you knock a bunch of ladies and you leave, you have created a generation of young men who are incapable of raising themselves. The effects of single motherhood in the United States are very well known. You're talking about higher levels of drug use, high, higher levels of crime, higher levels of poverty, higher levels of suicidal ideation. It creates actual pathologies, and that is what Andrew Tate is promoting because he's a con artist and he's conning you into doing something, he's conning you into giving away the only pathway toward actual societal success and personal success in favor of his vision of a Genghis Kalike spreading of his seed. We'll get to more on this in just a moment. First, 20 bucks barely gets you anything these days. You can't even fill your gas tank for less than 20 bucks. But You know what $20 will get you from the cell phone company. I use PureTalk. You can get unlimited talk text and plenty of 5G data for just $20 a month. 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He's gonna say two things, both transgressive, one true, one false. Then when you attack the false thing, he's going to claim that you are attacking the true thing. So you say, yes, Western people need to have more babies, but that can exist only within the context of a religious family structure, which traditionally is how it's done. And so my critique is that you are trash propagating that men should go screw around with 25 women, impregnate them, leave the babies to be left alone with no father, and then declare yourself a real man oiled up and muscled. It's pathetic, actually. It's degraded and pathetic. Yes, Andrew. Tate is a kickboxer. Yes, Andrew. Tate could kick my ass physically. Yes, Andrew Tate is not a real man if this is the kind of garbage that he propagates, end of story. But the game here is that if you then attack the obviously clot and foolish part of what he saying, then Andrew Tate says that you're attacking the true part of what he's saying. So here's a video that he released shortly in the aftermath of the blowback he received for this. What's the chance of the white people kicking out all the people who aren't white from their countries slim to none? Zero. Zero. How many kids do you got? How many kids do? All white people have? Zero zebra. It's a path to extinction. Why are they mad at me for pointing that out? And then they're tough guys on Twitter because what they're really, but hurt is 'cause I said, you don't control your women anymore. And they know it's true. 'cause they're women go, I don't want a baby. I want Instagram Mikes. So they're really but hurt by that. So they're sitting there going, no, actually I'm gonna deport everyone here. We're not gonna deport, we're not gonna deport anyone. You brave big talking people of England. You're gonna deport the Prime Minister. You're gonna deport the first Minister of Scotland in they, they rule you. So again, what he's doing is he's misdirecting to a dumb critique of what he's saying, which is, well, we can always deport all the, first of all, I'm not sure why you would deport people on the basis of race rather than ideology. I've gotten a lot of flack in particular circles for suggesting that race is not destiny, mainly because race is not destiny. That is the fundamental building block of any functional civilization is that ideas are destiny. Race is not destiny. In any case, what Andrew Tate is doing there is he's attacking a dumb critique of what he's doing in order to avoid the culpability for saying something that is actually immoral and evil. Again, this is a person who literally says on the one hand that he prays that Christianity regains its strength and protects its societies against Satan. On the other hand, he openly talks about having made millions of dollars scamming people through a webcam business, and now he scams people through hustler's university. And also you shouldn't get married and you shouldn't impregnate as many women as possible. Sound sounds super Christian. So slow clap for all the people who believe this garbage. Seriously. Okay, so this means that we have to now explain Andrew Tates grift. He's gotten away with this for a very long time, and I'm sure he'll continue to get away with this with a certain segment of the population who really, really likes WWEK FA Garbage. They really, really like that. Andrew Tate walks around his Romanian warehouse without a shirt and that's, that's like, wow, what a man. Okay, listen, if that's what floats your boat, enjoy spending 50 bucks a month on hustlers at university to learn how to MLM for his social media presence, fine. But don't pretend that this guy is standing for anything remotely like a functional society, virtue or decency. He's standing for your money in his pocket so he can buy more luxury vehicles before his latest arrest. That is what he's actually standing for. Okay? So let's go through Andrew Tate's history a little bit here, because when he is talking to somebody of right wing bent, he pretends to be sort of a traditionalist on matters of family and sex. And then immediately he'll turn around and he'll tweet something like this, and then we're all supposed to ignore it if you're on the right or say that he's being ironical or something like that. But the reality is this dude has made a lot of money over a lot of time by scamming people. So he started by making a lot of money off the sex industry. This is a person who says that he now stands for virtue and for the manly virtues. Can I tell you something that's not manly? Grooming women to get naked on camera for you to make money off of the ideal of masculinity is not being a pimp. Andrew Tate was a pimp not 10 years ago. Very, very recently, as recently as three years ago, he was pimping women out on webcam while simultaneously declaring that young men are wasting their time and their virility on pornography. Agree, which is why I don't run a webcam business where I pimp out women who I get into the business by having sex with, which was annotates entire method here he was explicating his method in 2020. So yeah, on ate.com, I have my PhD program and that is PhD is a pimp and hose degree that I'm clever and that clever that, that teaches basically how I got girls, What a class act, how I Met girls, how I got girls to like me, how I got girls to fall in love with me, to work on webcam for me. 'cause that's what I did. That was my, my mo was fine girls make them love me and make them work for me. And that's how I got Rich. I was all about trying to get paid like my whole, I used sex as a tool to make women love me so they'd obey me and live in my house and make me money that that's what I wanted. So I was a pimp in that sense. Like I was not trying to have sex with women. I was trying to get women to obey me. And I realize that's easier if they like to have sex with me. If they don't like having sex with me, it's pretty hard to make them listen to me. There's the shtick. And so for a lot of young men who fantasize about having sex with good looking women, this sounds amazing. Also, it makes you a complete piece of human debris. It makes you garbage if you act like this with regard to women, no matter how much sex you are having with randos off the Instagrams, we'll get to more on this in just one moment. First, new estimates show that more than a million babies were killed by abortion in 2023, the highest number of abortions since 2012. Despite the overturning of Roe versus Wade, this has actually only made the abortion pill more readily available when they shout abortion. We shout life. We have to fight back against this evil. But how exactly do we do that? 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All you have to do is pay him $50 a month and he's gonna teach you how You know, just like marriage is a scam and he's gonna help you see through it by taking the red pill, he, it turns out that all of industry can be cracked by going on Hustler's University where he will teach you all the money making secrets. Now, the reality is that there is no actual quote unquote secret to making money. If you want to make a lot of money in this life, you have to do three things, okay? That's it. You wanna make a lot of money in this life, find the thing that you like to do, the thing that people are willing to pay you for and the thing that you are good at. If you find those three things, you'll end up making a lot of money. If you find two of those three things, you might be happy without making a lot of money, or you might be unhappy without making a lot of money, but that's it, okay? You have to find something you like to do something you're good at, meaning you have to develop an actual skillset which requires time and attention and investment and, and real focus on detail. And you have to find something people want from you. So it can't just be making mud pies in the backyard. It has to be something that appeals to other human beings who want to pay you for that thing, which can be difficult too. You have to find a market, right? There is no dirty secret to making a lot of money quick, okay? This is Andrew's equivalent of, Hey guys, have you ever heard about the day trading? So Coffee Zilla, who is an excellent YouTube account, he does a good job debunking all of these sort of online scams. He did a full scale investigation into Hustler's University. Here's a little bit of what he found, and part of it, by the way, is that one of the ways that Andrew Tate goes viral on social media so often is because part of his get rich quick scheme for people is that they have incentive structures so that you tweet out videos or send out videos on social media about how wonderful Andrew Tate is. The program he runs is called Hustle Verity, where he teaches you how to make fast money if you'll only pay $50 a month. And one of these fast money methods turns out to be selling hustle verity to new people by posting clips of him Andrew Tate. And because of this, it kind of created this pyramid scheme where there was a flood of TikTok videos and bias reviews saying that Andrew Tate is the one true savior that will save you from poverty. He's basically Morpheus from the Matrix, and that's not even me calling him that he calls himself that I Get called Morpheus alone. We are living inside of the Matrix, and I'm Morpheus. He says he wants to wake you from your mental prisons all by selling you a program. That sounds like what high school dropouts used to put as their education status on Facebook, attended the school of hard knocks and graduated hustle versity with a PhD. Wait, you're a doctor? No, that's the pimping hose degree, which is something, by the way, I didn't make up. It's a course that Andrew Tate himself sells. But I don't think you want to take advice from someone who's in the middle of a human investigation. I joined this month and have been going through the classes, which is basically all of the same boring topics. All of these guys teach about making money. It's all the most surface level stuff. He assigns a so-called professor to each skill. And all of this all takes place inside of Discord servers. And so in these chat rooms where your instructors have a fraction of the charisma of Tate, you're supposed to commit yourself to these skill sets which are super surface level because of course, this all appeals to the lowest common denominator. Men who think answers can come from TikTok videos. And this is where it starts to hit you as you're scrolling through discord threads that this kind of was all a big bait and switch. I mean, think about it. You've been told you're gonna escape the matrix, you're gonna take the red pill. But what you end up doing in this course is sort of learning how to run an Amazon side hustle for Jeff Bezos. So that's the game. The only person who makes real money off of this is Andrew Tate. So just tell Rich is undertake, because again, his entire shtick is based on the idea that he is in his own personage. Uber male. He is the ideal male. He's having sex with beautiful women. He's got Bugatti, he's got luxury cars. 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And then he talks about how You know he used to take time off and go to dinner and go shopping, but he, he, he felt bad because he wasn't doing enough reps and he was only making $280,000 a day instead of $300,000 a day. So if he actually were making $300,000 a day, that calculates house to about $110 million a year. That's a lot of money. That's like a lot, a lot of money. So how much money is Andrew Tate actually worth? We should ask these questions because after all, it is based on his, his projection of wealth. And so many people are falling for the why that you can just dispense with time tested wisdom like get married and have children and live a solid life in favor of absolute stupid waste of money like Hustler's University. So remember that time that Tucker Carlson went and interviewed Tate and they marveled at his magical mansion in Romania, right? This unbelievable mansion in Romania. Wow. Huge complex in Romania. Okay, so I'm just gonna point out that that amazing mansion in Romania, it has a parking lot and it's got some cars in it. That mansion in Romania is not in the nice part of Romania. It's actually in kind of a garbage part of town. It's actually an industrial warehouse he bought for $700,000 and made over, according to the New York Post, they asked Andrew Tate for comment, no comment. How about his other wealth? The UK Guardian did a look into this. They said, Tate says he owns a chain of 15 casinos and that they earned him a million dollars a month. Apparently not. According to the company records in Bucharest, we search high and low and find no evidence. He owns a single casino. It's tough to find out how much Tate's Romanian companies are actually worth. We can find tax returns for only one Talisman Enterprises listed as a web portal business that has 1.2 million pounds of debt. Oh, the Guardian asked him for comment, by the way, no comment. Also, you'll recall a video of Andrew take giving a tour of his fantastic castle, supposedly worth hundreds of millions of dollars. This unbelievable castle. Here's a little bit of this incredible video of his castle. He's walking through the the doorways of the castle. And this of course means that all of his advice about life such as treat women like absolute trash. That that's, that's the way he should do it, because obviously he owns a castle, an only very rich man, a very successful masculine kind of man owns a castle. There's only one problem. He doesn't own the castle. According to the tab, Andrew Tate's castle is an Italian hotel in Umbria, two hours away from Florence Hotel. Costello Derecho is a boutique luxury hotel owned and operated by count Benedict Haw and his wife Donna Ncia. They lived in the dilapidated castle and raised their five children before Architect Benedict redesigned the building into a hotel in 2021. You can see pictures of the hotel. His parents continue to live on the estate. There's no evidence taint owns any part of the Italian family's estate. How much does it actually cost? Well, if you decide that you wanna stay there for a night, then you are gonna spend about 950 bucks a night. So for just $950, you too can pretend to own a giant castle in Romania and then sucker a bunch of dispossessed young men into believing that you hold the secret to wealth creation. So how much is he actually worth? According to the Daily Mail, June, 2023, when Romanian authorities arrested him, they actually did a rundown on his wealth. And here's what they found. Quote. Despite the influencer previously claiming to be a trillionaire, a press release from Romania's anti organized crime prosecution unit, dicot suggested takes true fortune, was more likely around 10 million pounds, which is about 12 and a half million dollars in today's dollars. As part of the indictment, prosecutors ordered the confiscation of luxury assets from the Tate brothers, including 15 high value cars, 14 luxury watches, and about 440,000 pounds held in cryptocurrency according to the agency's statement. So Andrew Tate has some money. Is he beyond the world wealthy such that you should explode thousands of years of human knowledge about things like marriage and how to properly treat women and how to build a civilization? I think not because the grift is the grift is the grift. So just to sum up, when it comes to Andrew Tate, Andrew Tate's idea of true manhood, the thing that you should emulate by getting rid of fundamental human institutions like marriage, so as to impregnate as many women as possible in preservation of the white race, which is what he literally tweeted yesterday. Here is his idea of manhood. Convincing men away from the only human institutions that have ever driven happiness, having sex with a wide variety of women, impregnating them, and then abandoning your children, exploiting women for money by having them pose naked on camera and then making money off of them, which makes you a pimp, lying about your wealth, buying luxury vehicles and making over cheap Romanian real estate so that you appear significantly wealthier than you are. So people will, will think that you actually are a deeply successful human being who has started a real business rather than You. know a scam. And of course, just to top it off, talking about how you can beat people up physically and walk around shirtless and smoke a cigar, which good for you, dude, good for you. Turns out there are a bunch of dudes in jail who can do the same exact thing. So Andrew Tate, why does this all this matter? Because the onlines have warped people's brains. They've wared people's brains. On the left, you have the, you have the New York Times fully legacy media publications pushing the idea that marriage is over, family is over. You need a poly uel. What you need is the Communist Manifesto brought to life. You need genderqueer poly UES in order to really fix society's problems. And on the right, you have Grifters who are willing to take advantage of the collapse of traditional religion in order to fill in that gap with scams where they maximize their own earning potential and their own exposure. And all it takes is a few well-placed paid operatives on the social media platforms in order to maximize their exposure. And then people will believe you're much more successful than you are. In reality, there is no easy path to success. There is no easy path to societal building. There is no easy path. But there are paths that work. And those paths include things like get married and have kids with a good woman if you're a man or with a good man, if you are a woman, they include things like go to church, like don't just proclaim that you love a particular religion on the interwebs and then never go to church. Go to actual church and involve yourself in actual community building. Do that. Get a skillset, cultivate that skillset. Spend long hours doing things for free to cultivate that skillset, get good at it, and then market it to people who want to trade their good products and services to you for your goods, products and services. These are the pathways to success. There's nothing easy about it, it's also the only path to actual life success and fulfillment and happiness. And anyone who promises you the cheat code is lying to you all in just one second. We'll get to the latest Bruhaha over at NPR first. Behold the iconic leftist here, Tumblr is back. You see, everyone has wanted this for a long time. 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Join right now as we fight the left and build the future at DailyWire plus.com. Okay? Meanwhile, as it turns out, the thing that you can't say at NPR is that NPR is biased to the left. You're not supposed to say this even though it's perfectly obvious to everybody. So according to NPR itself, NPR has formally punished Uri Berliner, the senior editor who publicly argued a week ago that the network had lost America's trust by approaching news stories with the rigidly progressive mindset. Berlin's five day suspension without pay, which began last Friday, has not been previously reported. The reason that they're mad, of course, is because this particular NPR employee said the obvious truth about NPR, that they're not to be trusted because they're far to the left and their agenda is apparent in everything they do. And by the way, it's still publicly funded. Well, if you actually wish to earn back the trust of Americans, what you wouldn't do is suspend Berliner. What you would do is maybe not have hired Katherine Maher, who's the new chief executive. NPR is treating her as a victim. They say conservative activist, Christopher Ruffo, who by the way, don't get on Christopher UFO's Bad side, I think is the, is the moral of this story is among those now targeting NPRs new chief executive. Ah, she's targeted, ah, what a, what a brutal life it is to be an NPR executive who is having her tweets reviewed among others. Those posts include a 2020 tweet that called Donald Trump a racist, and another that appeared to minimize rioting during social justice protest that year. Mara took the job in NPR last month, her first at a news organization at all. In a statement she said, quote, in America, everyone is entitled to free speech as a private citizen, what matters Isn P'S work and my commitment as its CEO, public service, editorial independence, and the mission to serve all of America's public n p's independent beholden to no party and without commercial interest. Ah, sure. So I just wanna point out exactly what Katherine Maher has said in the past. Again, if you wish to earn back the trust of Americans, what you don't do is hire somebody like Katherine Maher. But the truth is that when you read Katherine Maher's tweets, there's really only one appropriate way to do it, and that's to apparently get really high and read it like beat poetry. So we're gonna skip the part where we get really high, but we are gonna read it like beat poetry because her tweets read like, like beat poetry. She sounds like a Berkeley sophomore who has discovered pot for the first time and just read a little bit of Noam Chomsky that that is what she sounds like. So here, here we go. Let's get, let's get the, the sound in here and let's do some deep thoughts from Katherine Maher, the brand new CEO of NPR, one of the biggest news outlets in America funded with your taxpayer dollars. My brothers and I had some deep talks we're each over 30 with real jobs and deep discomfort about what it would mean to bring a child into a warming world. That's from March 26th, 2019. Here's from 2011 with Elizabeth Warren running, there's finally a candidate for Dems to get excited about in 2012. Here's one from 2012 agenda for today. Put on a dress, meet some senior officials, boss it in a man's world, critique the politics of representation. Scotch 2019. Always trust structural privilege to show its own. She's like a Kamala Harris Fortune cookie over here. This is one of my favorites. This is from 2019, quote. Anyone else love watching the credits at the end of a movie or show? Just to marvel at the diversity of names and surnames involved always gives me happy, goosebumps to see the world scroll by. Okay. Literally no one, no one has ever watched the credits on Marvel movie and been like, wow. Look at the racial diversity in those names. Here's from 2016. This is when she's a racial justice hero quote for the record. I don't usually fly business class, just bored past it. On the way to the back of the bus, she's like, Rosa Parks gang on the way to the back of the bus in commercial class. And finally 2017, I'm in Canada today where the sun is shining. Healthcare is functional, facts are real, and no one is about to be imminently annihilated. That was 2017. I noticed the calendar now says 2024, and no one was actually annihilated. I lied. There's one more that I have to, that I have to include here. This is from 2018 and it's a handwritten note from her, kinda like Taylor Swift's latest lyrics, quote, what would a feminist internet look like? What would a black internet look like? Wow. Wow. Haven't hadn't thought about that by the way she says it's so strange. Should be called the Biden Supporter. I'm a supporter of human rights, dignity, and justice. She's just one of the good people. Yes, probably that's it. Probably that person should be the head of NPR to restore their reputation for objective credibility. That's, I think the, the key message here. Suspend the guy who points out that they're a far left organization. Make sure to protect the lady who tweets like that again, like a Berkeley sophomore who just discovered the pot stash. Well done. Okay. Meanwhile, when Joe Biden continues to walk around confused the Roomba of the president, as Shane Gillis has said, that that just doesn't stop. The world is falling apart. And so is Joe Biden here. He was yesterday getting confused in Pennsylvania. Oh, there, he's President Joe Biden, Man here. He comes down the stairs. I swear every time that dude goes downstairs, you're like holding your breath. Is he gonna make it? Is he gonna make it? He's he's on, they, they, they let him take the short stairs now because he's, he's confused. Where am I going? I don't know, Dude, you have to finish going down the stairs first. That's where you're going. There's literally no directions. You're in the middle of the staircase. And he's like, where do I down Joe, down the staircase. That wasn't the only episode of Joe Biden becoming randomly confused yesterday. Here he was getting even more confused. You know, thanks to the Mayor Paige page, excuse me, I I was gonna talk about the old man. Wow, good stuff right there. It's always a good time for your presidential campaign when your attorney General has to declare that you are are not mentally impaired. That that Joe Biden's 2024 campaign slogan Biden 2024, not mentally impaired like you think. Here is Merrick Garland, thanks to Mitch McConnell for not allowing this schmuck to be on the Supreme Court of the United States. Have you ever seen evidence of impairment in your meetings with the president? I'm sorry, I, I, I testified and I'll repeat again what I just said. Well, That's different than my question. Well, I have seen the president effectively guide the members of the department of, of his cabinet and his military through, But you won't say you've ever seen any impairment on his point. The the president has no impairment. The president is, You've never seen any, I dunno how many ways I can say this. Okay. I have complete confidence in the president and I reject your characterization. Well, I'm sorry that the rest of us have eyeballs and ears. Joe Biden is impaired, obviously, but it's not just that. Joe Biden is about to lead off a full decade of tepid growth. According to Axios, the era of rip roaring global growth with rapidly rising prices to match is over. Now, the global economy is transitioning to a study, but slow state, according to the IMF, the IMF projects, the global economy will grow by 3.2% in this year. And next, a similar pace to 2023. The fund suggested that the United States will grow 2.7% this year in terms of GDP. But over the course of the next decade, things are going too slow. Apparently, according to IMF managing director Kristalina Giva, she says, without a course correction, this decade will be remembered as the tepid twenties. So, yeah, that, that sounds very, very good. Meanwhile, the Federal Reserve not clear that they're gonna be able to cut rates before the election because of the still trucking inflation created by Joe Biden's economic plans. So you have American economic policy in the doldrums and the world is on fire. Former UK Prime Minister Liz Truss correctly pointed out yesterday that the world was much safer under Donald Trump. That, of course, is obviously true to anyone with a functional brain. Well, if you look at what's happened in Ukraine, what's taking place in Israel, what's happening with respect to the Chinese regime? The only thing these authoritarian regimes respect as strengths. And the fact is the West has shown too much weakness taking the sanctions off Iran, trying to renegotiate a nuclear deal. I believe that was the wrong strategy and actually the free world felt safer when President Trump was in office because those leaders were afraid of what Trump might do. They're not afraid of what Biden might do. That is obviously true. And What we're seeing is we're seeing wars breaking out around the world. She, of course, is exactly right about all of that. Meanwhile, with regard to Israel, it was the daylight created between the Biden administration and Israel that allowed for the Iranian attack in the first place. In fact, as we've talked about on the show, there may have been actual back channels between Iran and the United States. Basically saying to the United States, we need to, we need to flex our muscle a little bit. How far can we go before you'll allow Israel to actually get off the chain? And so they ended up firing 350 drones, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles at Israel. It did minimal damage to Israel, but that is in fact definitionally an act of war. Meanwhile, all Israel wants to do is finish off Hamas in the Gaza Strip, make a peace deal with the Saudis, and then deal with the Shia threat from Hezbollah in the north and from Iran directly. The Israeli military is saying that Iran will knock it off Scot-free following the unprecedented missile and drone attack early Sunday. Of course, Israel has to say that because if you just absorb a barrage of missiles and drones from a foreign nation and do nothing in response, that encourages them to take further action in the future, but more successfully presumably. With that said again, Benjamin Netanyahu, the war cabinet in Israel is going to be pretty meticulous in how they go about this. They are not going to suddenly launch a a nuclear weapon against Iran or something. But Joe Biden continues to treat Israel as though Israel is the sort of radical pariah state US defense Secretary Lloyd Austin held calls on Monday with counterparts in the Middle East and Europe expressing support for Israel after the attacks from Iran, but also stressing regional stability to prevent conflict from spreading. Well, I mean, You know it's a great way to achieve regional stability boxing in Iran. You know what's a terrible way to achieve regional stability, kowtowing to Iran, catering to Iran, drawing contrast between you and allies, not just Israel, Saudi Arabia as well, making yourself subject to the whims of crybaby idiots like anti-Israel, Google employees who are occupying their bosses offices according to The, Daily Wire, Cassie Akiva reporting, Google employees are actively occupying the California office of Google Cloud, CEO, Thomas Curian and refusing to leave until the company stops doing business with Israel and a Twitch livestream. Google employees can be seen donning, kafis and sitting on the floor in his office on the 10th floor in the New York City Google office, where a simultaneous anti-Israel rally took place. Employees carried anti-Israel signs and shouted chance asking Kerry Ian, how many kids did you kill today? They also issued a series of demands, including that Google quote, cease all business with the Israeli apartheid, government and military stopped the harassment, intimidation, bullying and silencing of Palestinian Muslim employees, and address the health and safety crisis among workers who are rattled over their labor being used to enable a genocide. Well, you could just be fired. That could be the other option. Any company that allows its employee base to act like this is not worth its salt. I promise you, if our employees decided to occupy my office in order to make a political point, they would not be employees of this company. Very long security would escort them to the door box in hand. This is not like a lot of people wanna work at Google. Ain't that hard to replace a bunch of pro terror employees at Google. But unfortunately it seems as though the Biden administration seems thinks that, that those sorts of people are hard to replace in the base. And so they're taking a a sort of peculiar between Israel and Iran position as opposed to You know siding with American allies and defying actual terror states. Meanwhile, the situation in Ukraine continues to go from bad to worse, largely because of Western slow walking of aid according to Politico. Just ask a Ukrainian soldier if he still believes the West will stand by Kiev for as long as it takes. That pledge rings hollow when it's been four weeks since your artillery unit last had a shell to fire. As one serviceman complained from the front lines. It's not just that Ukraine's forces are running out of ammo. Western delays overs, sending aid mean the country is dangerously short of something even harder to supply than shells. The fighting spirit required to win morale among troops is grim ground down by relentless bombardment, a lack of advanced weapons and losses on the battlefield in cities, hundreds of miles away from the front crowds of young men who lined up to join the army in the war's early months have disappeared. Nowadays, eligible would be recruits dodge the draft and spend their afternoons in nightclubs Instead, many have left the country altogether. The question in Ukraine is not going to be whether Ukraine is capable of taking back Donbass and Crimea, which I was always skeptical of at this point. The question is whether Ukraine collapses altogether and Russia just strolls Kyiv having outlasted Western willingness to You know send checks, and there are no American troops participating on the ground in fighting against Russia. Here's representative Mike Lawler, Republican of New York saying You know it's actually a problem if Ukraine, I still have yet to hear a Republican who fully wants to cut off aid from Ukraine, explain why it would be in America's interest for Ukraine to fall to Russia. If you believe that American aid is unnecessary to prevent that eventuality, then please explain your plan for how the ammo is gonna get to Ukraine to prevent that from happening. And then we can have the argument if you're simply gonna avoid the question. However, I think you're avoiding the question. This is why the kind of weird attempt to cut off aid in the face of Ukrainian resistance against an invading force that is overtly oriented against American interest across the world from the Middle East to Africa, to to alliance with China, to yes, Eastern Europe. It's bizarre. Here's representative Mike Lawler correctly pointing out that You know Russia's pretty ambitious territorially. And as I've said repeatedly, You know my wife is from Moldova, her family lives on the Ukraine border. I have no doubt if Ukraine falls, these former Soviet satellite states will fall with it. And that is a calamity that none of us can afford in the United States or in Europe. And so You know we must lead and if we fail to lead in this moment, we will be viewed like Neville Chamberlain was in the lead up to World War ii. So, Okay, so here is the reality. The Republican caucus, a majority of the Republican caucus in the house supports some serious level of Ukraine aid. An overwhelming majority of the House Republicans also support Israeli a a aid to Israel in the face of Iranian offensive barrage, as well as bras from Iran's proxies in the region, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis. So it used to be that there was something in the Republican caucus, it was called the HAS rule. The has rule was you can't bring forward a piece of legislation if you're a Republican that doesn't have a support of the majority of the Republican caucus. Both of these matters have a support of a majority of the Republican caucus. But because of a deal that Kevin McCarthy cut said he could become speaker of the house, this means that now every time a few members of the Republican caucus don't like what the rest of the Republican caucus is doing, they can threaten the speakership and basically hold up the entire business of the house. This is why I've been encouraging Speaker Mike Johnson to simply nuke this idiotic rule. It is a stupid rule that one or two members of the Republican caucus can hold up You, know the other 210 members of the Republican caucus. It is stupid, it is wrong, it is foolish. McCarthy never should have signed that deal, and Johnson certainly, certainly should not continue to acquiesce to that deal or he just won't be speaker. So how's he gonna nuke that rule? Presumably he get a majority of Republicans to vote in favor of nuking the rule and some Democrats, because it turns out You know what Hakeem Jeffries doesn't want. He thinks he's gonna become Speaker You know what he doesn't want. He doesn't want a OC and Han Omar and Rashida to leave on his left, threatening to nuke his speakership with a one vote rule every single time he does something they don't like. Now, there'll be a lot of Cata walling, a lot of screaming and yelling from Republican, oh my God, you got Democrat support to maintain your speakership. Okay, well here is your, here is your alternative. Your alternative in reality is going to be Hakeem Jeffries as speaker with a Republican House majority. That is the alternative. Not a single person who is currently challenging. Johnson's Speakership has a viable alternative to Johnson. We tried this game before they went through like four candidates before they even got to Mike Johnson. And yet there's a group of people in Congress who are very much focused on, on increasing their visibility in the public eye, making themselves appear to be significantly more important than the other members of an elected body. And let me be clear about this, Thomas Massey, Marjorie Taylor Greene. They are not more important in the Republican caucus than Mike law lore in New York or anyone else. Every one of those votes is one vote. And the idea that you can have a couple of people holding hostage the entire house Republican caucus, such that they cannot get anything done and will end up tossing the speakership to Hakeem Jeffries makes me think that what you actually want is to be in the minority. It turns out You know what Americans don't like very much. They don't like congresses that are so incompetent. They can't even name a speaker of their own party. It turns out Americans not fond of that. But it seems like some Republicans actually like being in the minority because being in the minority means you never have to make a deal. Being in the minority means you can stand a thwart the rails of history shouting stop without actually stopping a damned thing. It turns out that in order to stop things, you actually need to have power. But it seems like a lot of people don't want power. They want social media clouts, they want X Cloud among those people. Of course, Marjorie Taylor Greene, who's made herself incredibly famous based on no legislative accomplishments that I can see here. She was yesterday saying that she's going to challenge Speaker Johnson, Speaker next Congress if we're lucky enough to have the majority. And I think that is, is is widely held belief throughout the conference. Is he gonna be speaker for the rest of this Congress, do you think? That is to be determined. Okay, so she's saying that even if Johnson withstands the barrage right now, that in the next Congress, he won't be the speaker anymore. Okay, well then you're gonna have to find somebody who you like better, which you've been not the speaker ain't gonna be Marjorie Taylor Greene. It's also not gonna be Thomas Massey. So Massey, of course, is a true isolationist. He has, he is taken an isolationist position on pretty much everything up to and including things like funding for Iron Dome in Israel, which has prevented full scale war in the Middle East. By the way, if Iron Dome did not exist, they would already be in a full scale World War, Threestyle war in the Middle East. And okay, here is Thomas Massey saying he now wants to join the motion to vacate because Johnson faced with the prospect of a Democratic senate. And Aden Democratic president is pushing forward bills that Thomas Massey personally does not like. By the way, You know what actually Johnson's plan was up until today. His plan was that he was gonna put forward as four separate votes, aid to Israel, aid to Ukraine, aid to Taiwan and border funding. He's gonna put all four of those up for separate votes. All four of them would then pass because some Democrats would vote for them and then you would package them all together and send it over to the Senate. Massey doesn't like that. Massey wants all or nothing. He wants it exactly his way or nothing, which is not typically the way that Congress works. Here is Massey saying that he's going to join Marjorie Taylor Greene in this quixotic quest to oust the speaker of the House in favor of Congressman. Can you clarify to resign exactly. You you wanted to resign? Yes. What? What did, Yeah, I asked him to resign. When did you ask him? He said he would not, and then he said, well, you're the one who's gonna put us into this because the motion is going to get called. Okay. Does anybody doubt that the motion will get called and then he's gonna lose more votes than Kevin McCarthy. And I have told him this in private like weeks ago. So I mean, when did you ask him to resign Him? Right in there Just today. So Congressman, help us understand that if he's not resigning, you going to listen a motion to vacate this week? No. I'm gonna call the motion to vacate, But I will tell you that if it is called, there will be a lot of people who vote for it. Okay? So once again, Johnson needs to nuke this stupid rule. And if you don't, like the Democrats are joining to nuke the stupid rule, blame the Republicans who can't form anything remotely like a working house majority despite having a house majority such. Honestly, it's, it's dumb. It's so stupid. It's so stupid on every available front. It's dumb politically. It's dumb in terms of policy. Here's Mike Johnson slamming the attempt to vacate his chair. I am not resigning. And it is, it is in my view, an absurd notion that someone would bring a vacate motion when we are simply here trying to do our jobs. It is not helpful to the cause. It is not helpful to the country. It does not help the House Republicans advance our agenda, which is in the best interest of the American people here, a secure border sound governance. And it's not helpful to the unity that we have in in the body. And right now we're in a, we're in a, a political struggle, a battle between a completely different vision for the country. We, we have colleagues in the Congress who envision for us not those things. They have disdain for those things I just listed. They instead envision that America should be remade in the form of some sort of You know European style socialist utopia. That is a dangerous fool's errand. That is a road to Marxism, communism, You know socialism. That's a step towards those eventualities. And that is not who we are as a country. And so for us to accomplish our mission, which is to save the republic, we need to add more Republicans to the house and grow the house majority so we have more votes. Yes, that would be the correct answer as opposed to You know tearing apart the house conference in favor of me, which is not actually a policy prescription. Johnson should move to nuke the rule forthwith. In my opinion, he should have done it weeks ago. At this point already coming up, we'll get to a couple of free speech stories that are kind of fascinating. If you're not a member, become a member. Use Coach Shapiro. Check out for two months free and all You know plans. Click that link in the description and join us.

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office simultaneous antiisrael rally take place employee carry antiisrael sign shout chance ask kerry ian kid kill today issue series demand include google quote cease business israeli apartheid government military stop harassment intimidation bullying silencing palestinian muslim employee address health safety crisis worker rattle labor enable genocide fire option company allow employee base act like worth salt promise employee decide occupy office order political point employee company long security escort door box hand like lot people wanna work google be not hard replace bunch pro terror employee google unfortunately biden administration think sort people hard replace base take sort peculiar israel iran position oppose know side american ally defy actual terror state situation ukraine continue bad bad largely western slow walking aid accord politico ask ukrainian soldier believe west stand kiev long take pledge ring hollow week artillery unit shell fire serviceman complain line ukraine force run ammo western delay over send aid mean country dangerously short hard supply shell fight spirit require win morale troop grim grind relentless bombardment lack advanced weapon loss battlefield city hundred mile away crowd young man line join army war early month disappear nowadays eligible recruit dodge draft spend afternoon nightclub instead leave country altogether question ukraine go ukraine capable take donbass crimea skeptical point question ukraine collapse altogether russia stroll kyiv having outlast western willingness know send check american troop participate ground fight russia heres representative mike lawler republican new york say know actually problem ukraine hear republican fully want cut aid ukraine explain america interest ukraine fall russia believe american aid unnecessary prevent eventuality explain plan ammo go to ukraine prevent happen argument simply go to avoid question think avoid question kind weird attempt cut aid face ukrainian resistance invading force overtly orient american interest world middle east africa alliance china yes eastern europe bizarre here representative mike lawler correctly point know russia pretty ambitious territorially ve say repeatedly know wife moldova family live ukraine border doubt ukraine fall soviet satellite state fall calamity afford united states europe know lead fail lead moment view like neville chamberlain lead world war ii okay reality republican caucus majority republican caucus house support level ukraine aid overwhelming majority house republicans support israeli aid israel face iranian offensive barrage bras iran proxy region hezbollah hama houthis republican caucus call rule rule not bring forward piece legislation republican not support majority republican caucus matter support majority republican caucus deal kevin mccarthy cut say speaker house mean time member republican caucus not like rest republican caucus threaten speakership basically hold entire business house ve encourage speaker mike johnson simply nuke idiotic rule stupid rule member republican caucus hold know member republican caucus stupid wrong foolish mccarthy sign deal johnson certainly certainly continue acquiesce deal will not speaker s go to nuke rule presumably majority republicans vote favor nuke rule democrats turn know hakeem jeffrie not want think s go to speaker know not want not want oc han omar rashida leave left threaten nuke speakership vote rule single time not like ll lot cata wall lot scream yell republican oh god get democrat support maintain speakership okay alternative alternative reality go hakeem jeffrie speaker republican house majority alternative single person currently challenge johnson speakership viable alternative johnson try game go like candidate get mike johnson s group people congress focused increase visibility public eye make appear significantly important member elect body let clear thomas massey marjorie taylor greene important republican caucus mike law lore new york vote vote idea couple people hold hostage entire house republican caucus end toss speakership hakeem jeffrie make think actually want minority turn know americans not like not like congress incompetent not speaker party turn americans fond like republicans actually like minority minority mean deal minority mean stand thwart rail history shout stop actually stop damned thing turn order stop thing actually need power like lot people not want power want social medium clout want x cloud people course marjorie taylor greene s incredibly famous base legislative accomplishment yesterday say s go challenge speaker johnson speaker congress lucky majority think widely hold belief conference go to speaker rest congress think determine okay s say johnson withstand barrage right congress will not speaker anymore okay go to find somebody like well ve speaker be not go to marjorie taylor greene go to thomas massey massey course true isolationist take isolationist position pretty include thing like funding iron dome israel prevent scale war middle east way iron dome exist scale world war threestyle war middle east okay thomas massey say want join motion vacate johnson face prospect democratic senate aden democratic president push forward bill thomas massey personally like way know actually johnson plan today plan go to forward separate vote aid israel aid ukraine aid taiwan border funding s go to separate vote pass democrats vote package send senate massey not like massey want want exactly way typically way congress work massey say s go join marjorie taylor greene quixotic quest oust speaker house favor congressman clarify resign exactly want resign yes yeah ask resign ask say say s go to motion go call okay anybody doubt motion call s go to lose vote kevin mccarthy tell private like week ago mean ask resign right today congressman help understand s resign go listen motion vacate week m go to motion vacate tell call lot people vote okay johnson need nuke stupid rule not like democrats join nuke stupid rule blame republicans not form remotely like work house majority despite have house majority honestly dumb stupid stupid available dumb politically dumb term policy here mike johnson slam attempt vacate chair resign view absurd notion bring vacate motion simply try job helpful cause helpful country help house republicans advance agenda good interest american people secure border sound governance helpful unity body right political struggle battle completely different vision country colleague congress envision thing disdain thing list instead envision america remade form sort know european style socialist utopia dangerous fool errand road marxism communism know socialism s step eventuality country accomplish mission save republic need add republican house grow house majority vote yes correct answer oppose know tear apart house conference favor actually policy prescription johnson nuke rule forthwith opinion week ago point come couple free speech 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Speeches, etc. [Sir Leslie Thomas in the Chair] Question proposed [8th February], That the Clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill. 10.30 a.m. Question again proposed. The Joint Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Housing and Local Government (Mr. James MacColl) When we were last discussing the Bill the hon. Member for Hemel Hempstead (Mr. Allason) made a strong attack on this Clause, which he thought was unnecessary and obscure. Having read what he said about it, I must say that I thought he had a good grasp of what it meant, and gave an admirable analysis of what it was trying to do. I would not want to challenge his account of what it does but I propose to say something about why we should have the Clause at all. The hon. Gentleman's point—and it was clearly a reasonable one—was that as we try, as far as possible, to leave things to local authorities and to treat them as sensible people, why do we want to spell out, with such meticulous care, and at such inordinate length, the details of this particular administrative operation? I think that the answer to that is that we are dealing here with an area in which there can be a clash between the rights of the applicant for a rebate, and the interests of the local authority, both from the point of view of its administrative responsibility, and its desire to provide economic administration and safeguard the interests of the public purse. As this clash may develop between the applicant and the authority where a statutory right is given to an applicant for rebate, I think that it is as well to make clear the limits within which this is to operate. Perhaps it would also help if I indicated the distinction, which might not immediately be clear, between granting and affording, because this Clause has the marginal merit of affording rebate, [column 250]and there are references to granting rebate. The difference is that the operation of applying for rebate, and deciding whether or not it is to be given, and should be given, is within the range of granting a rebate. It then becomes a problem of how one gets the rebate which has been granted into the pocket of the ratepayer. A few moments ago I was being nice to the hon. Member for Hemel Hempstead, and I think I might add now that he described broadly the different types of operation involved in getting the grant into the pocket of the ratepayer. It is not a difficult operation where one is dealing with somebody who is paying rates to the local authority. The difficulty arises where the local authority is receiving the rates with rent, or in the case of a sub-tenant through the rateable occupier, or in some cases where there is a rateable occupier through a compounding agreement. These are the different cases where one gets the complications. The general approach is that where there is a private landlord who is responsible for paying the rates, the rating authority should pay the rebate, not to the landlord, but direct to the applicant who is entitled to receive it. The Clause, in the way the hon. Member for Hemel Hempstead described, outlines the operation whereby this can be done. Where the rates have not yet been paid, rebate can be deducted from what is to be paid, and this is a comparatively simple operation. It becomes more difficult where either the whole of the rent, or part of it, has been paid before the operation of affording the rebate comes along. Perhaps I might look particularly at the point made by the hon. Member for Morecambe and Lonsdale (Mr. Hall-Davis) about subsection (8). He asked for a more detailed explanation of what this subsection was supposed to be doing, but I thought that he explained what it was supposed to do, and I would not want to add very much to what he said. The point about it is that if there is a case where one of these split operations is taking place, where a local authority is getting the rates through a third party, in the way I have described, but affording the rebate direct to the applicant, there may be a situation where the person through whom the rate payments are [column 251]being made is not getting them from the applicant, and therefore it is important that the rating authority should know of this, and should be able to hold up the payment of rebate until the position has been cleared up. The hon. Gentleman asked how the rating authority would find out without having an intensive investigation of a kind which we do not envisage in the Bill. I think the answer is that any third party, the landlord, or whoever it may be, who is paying the rates and is not getting any money from the person responsible for the rates, from the tenant or the subtenant, or whoever it may be, will not have any difficulty in letting the rating authority know about this fairly forcefully and quickly, and this shows that where that kind of case arises, the rating authority can bring the operation into balance again. The only other point to which I want to refer—and this was referred to by the hon. Member for Hemel Hempstead, and also by the hon. Member for Oxford (Mr. Woodhouse)—is the relationship between the National Assistance Board and the rating authority. It is true that during the Second Reading debate my right hon. Friend said that he envisaged a new Clause being put in the Bill to deal with this point. It is also true that in the circular which we have quoted there is a reference to the need for a new Clause, but the advice which we have now received—and this is a complicated operation, both in drafting, and in working out exactly it is to cover—is that a new Clause is not necessary, and that by administrative arrangements between the National Assistance Board and the rating authority these points can be covered. That is the advice which we have received, but it may be that between now and the final stages of the Bill the situation will change. It is not our intention at the moment to put down a new Clause, but if, later on, we find that a new one is necessary, we shall not shrink from bringing it in. The general line-up of the position is fairly clear, but there are a number of principles involved. One is that there should be no pressure on people to go to the National Assistance Board if they do not want to. Whatever may be the pros [column 252]and cons of the reluctance to receive National Assistance, behind the Bill, and behind the Allen Report, is the idea that a number of people do not like going to the National Assistance Board, and they have to be dealt with. Therefore, people who are eligible for National Assistance will not be told that they must get National Assistance because we are not going to give them a rebate. On the other hand, people who are receiving National Assistance will get their rebate through their National Assistance allowance. It will be paid as part of National Assistance, and not as a rent rebate. In these cases, if the people concerned go to the rating authority, the rating authority will refer them to the National Assistance Board. If the Board is paying National Assistance, it will inform the rating authority that payments are being made. Our present information is that administrative arrangements can be worked out to cover this point. Mrs. Margaret Thatcher If people go to the local authority and apply for a rebate, will the local authority in every case ask the person concerned whether part of his income comes from the National Assistance Board? From what the hon. James MacCollGentleman said, it seems that the local authority will almost always have to ask that question. Mr. MacColl In the circular to which I have already referred there is a model form of application in which that question is asked. The machine will start that way, and immediately that becomes known the rating authority will refer the person concerned to the National Assistance Board. Clause put, and agreed to. Clause, as amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill. Clause 7.—(Grants Towards Rebates.) Mr. John Boyd-Carpenter I beg to move Amendment No. 86, in page 16, line 28, at the end to insert: (b) out of the National Insurance Fund established pursuant to the National Insurance Act, 1946, a grant equal to the amount by which one quarter of the aggregate net amount of the rebates so afforded in any year shall exceed the amount representing the product of a rate of one penny in the pound for such rating authority.” [column 253] I think that this Amendment raises probably the most controversial issue which arises on the Bill. It comes to the question of where the burden of paying for these rebates shall fall. On the earlier Clauses we have discussed the more agreeable aspect of the matter, namely, how this relief is to be given, and hon. Members on both sides will recall that though there have been disagreements between us as to the detailed application of these benefits, there has been a large body of agreement that rebates of this kind should go to the less well-off ratepayers to whom the burden of rates is heavy already, and on whom all the signs are that they will become even heavier at the end of next month. We are now on the point of the Bill under which, as it stands for the great majority of ratepayers, there will be not a relief of rates but an increased burden. For nine ratepayers out of ten—and if anything this is an underestimate—the effect of the Bill as it stands will be an increase in rates over and above the increase in rates which will have to be added because of the failure of the right hon. Gentleman the Minister to redeem his party's election pledge in time to prevent an increase in the general rate burden next March. We are therefore considering a matter which has aroused a wide body of interest outside. Local authorities, with really startling unanimity, have criticised this aspect of the Bill. The Minister dealt with this issue in some measure in his speech on Second Reading. He made it clear that it was his intention that a quarter of this burden, which he estimated at about £7 million a year, should fall on the general rates. However, I think—the Parliamentary Secretary will correct me if I am wrong—that that expenditure will attract no grant of any sort. It will fall in full on the ratepayers generally. 10.45 a.m. The right hon. Gentleman said that, according to his calculations, this would average out as the product of a 1d. rate. No doubt, with the resources of his Department behind him, that is mathematically correct: I do not intend to challenge it. But what is so misleading is to average it out. Anyone who has studied the social composition of this country knows that the people who stand [column 254]to benefit from these rebates are not spread evenly and equally through local authority districts but tend to be concentrated in considerable measure in particular areas. Therefore, while it is, no doubt, perfectly true that the product of a 1d. rate is all that is involved, averaged out over the country, the fact remains that, in some districts, it will be a good deal less and in others considerably more than that amount. Even at this early stage in the fixing of rates, I have heard of examples which are relevant. My hon. Friend the Member for Cheltenham (Mr. Dodds-Parker) has sent me correspondence which he has had with his local authority and his local newspaper, from which it is already clear that the effect of Clause 7, as it stands on the rates of Cheltenham will be to increase them by 2d. That is the direct result of the Bill. Information is coming in also from other places. I am told, for example, that the London Borough of Wandsworth will be similarly affected and will face an increase of 2d. on the rates as a result of this provision. The right hon. Gentleman tried to justify this on Second Reading by saying that, when a local authority administered a service, some of its own money should be at stake. On the face of it, that is not an unreasonable argument. However, I doubt its applicability to this particular case. That principle makes good administrative sense where the local authority concerned has a real discretion, but there is no discretion here. The standards of entitlement to rebate are being fixed nationally by Parliament on the motion of the central Government in this Bill. Anybody whose income comes within the limits of reckonable income provided in the Bill is entitled to the rebate and the local authority cannot refuse it. In those circumstances, it cannot make sense to say that, because the local authority has a discretion, it must carry some of the cost on behalf of its ratepayers, because the local authority has not the discretion. That has been taken from it by Parliament. It is for that reason that the County Councils Association—I think rightly—in a letter dated 3rd December, after the Bill had been published, said: The Association says that this is a national service and should be paid for nationally. Therefore, my hon. Friends and I tabled the Amendment not wholly to reverse the proposal in the Bill but, with that gift for compromise which I hope we can show from time to time, simply to take the Minister at his word. The Minister said that this would be the product of a 1d. rate. Very well. The Amendment would allow the equivalent of a 1d. rate to fall on the local authorities and on their ratepayers, but its effect would be that where, as in the cases which I have quoted, the Minister's average estimate was misleading and the burden on areas with numbers of poor people in them is therefore larger, that burden should not fall on them. We propose to charge it to the National Insurance Fund. This may cause alarm in certain circles. I noticed that on discussion of the National Insurance Bill earlier this week the Minister of Pensions referred to this, and I believe that it has fluttered other dovecotes. I believe that the Committee will be grateful to have a chance to decide this matter on its merits and not have it ruled out because of the Minister's expedient of a very tightly-drafted Money Resolution which seems to have gone absolutely beyond the clear undertakings given to Parliament earlier about the terms in which these Resolutions should be drafted. The fact that the Amendment is now before the Committee shows that it is possible, none the less, to raise this issue. There is great merit in charging this to the National Insurance Fund. The fund is heavily in surplus—to a substantial degree above what would be needed to finance this provision, even on the most pessimistic estimate—so there is no question of any increase being necessary as a corollary in National Insurance contributions. The Amendment is, of course, designed for the relief of poor people. It would find the money elsewhere, instead of placing the burden on other ratepayers, many of whom are only just better off than those who are covered [column 256]by the Bill, to find money for the help of people whose incomes are such that the burden of full rates is too heavy for them. I submit that, quite apart from the procedural complications caused by the Minister's action in respect of the Money Resolution, this is a proper and sensible use of a fund which is in surplus and which requires no increase in contributions. All the contributors to the fund know that it is designed, on the whole, for the relief of hardship and poverty. Therefore, it seems to me that this is a proper use of the fund. What presents itself sharply to each one of us as Members of the Committee in considering the Amendment is this. We have decided, rightly, on earlier Clauses that this relief should be given. The Minister has said that it should not mean more than 1d. on the rates for the others. However, as the Bill now stands, the Minister is plainly wrong and just those areas which most need help will have a heavier than average burden placed upon them. Many of these areas are represented by hon. Members opposite as well as by those on this side of the Committee. Just those people are to bear it, and, if we leave the Bill as it is, these ratepayers, including those only marginally above the reckonable limits provided in the Bill, will have to pay more than the extra 1d. on the rates which the Minister has forecast. I stress that, whatever our general Amendments, we do not seek completely to reverse the decision of the Minister to put some of the burden on the other ratepayers, but we say that that burden should be limited to the amount, 1d. on the rates, which the Minister himself used as an argument on Second Reading for the proposition that it was tolerable to put this burden on other ratepayers at all. In other words, we take the Minister at his word and we would allow the extra 1d. to fall, but we say, “Beyond that, no.” Beyond that, a fund set up and contributed to for the relief of hardship and poverty should prevent further burden falling on ratepayers and should, instead of those ratepayers, provide the necessary money to give rebates to the worse off ratepayers. This is a sensible proposition. It in no way cuts across the main purpose of the Bill but provides a less onerous [column 257]method of financing it in respect of areas where there are most poorer people. I am sorry that the right hon. Gentleman is not here. He is always going about the country denouncing rates as a regressive, out-of-date and antiquated system. He has made it more regressive and antiquated by wiping out the 1968 revaluation, but that is another matter. He has, of course, no substitute for it and he knows it. But the Amendment should surely appeal to him. If, as he says, he is so against the system, he must be against putting any extra burden on a system which he denounces over and above what is strictly necessary. By the Amendment, we seek to relieve him of some part of that burden. Although I have no doubt that the Parliamentary Secretary is sitting there with a brief marked “Resist” , I suggest to hon. Members that we should make up our own minds on the merits of the proposal. If the rates are anything like as bad as the Minister says, and if his argument for putting anything on the ratepayer is based, as it was, on a 1d rate being the right product, I call those very contentions in aid in favour of allowing that 1d. to fall but doing no harm to anybody and giving relief to ratepayers generally in the poorer districts by allowing the amount over and above the 1d. rate to be charged to the National Insurance Fund. That is what the Amendment seeks to do and that would be its effect. This raises not an issue of party principle, not even of principle on the Bill, but a practical, clear-cut issue, as to how it is fair and equitable to find the reliefs which we all want to see. Mr. Oscar Murton I have listened with interest to my right hon. Friend the Member for Kingston-upon-Thames (Mr. Boyd-Carpenter) putting forward, so cogently, forcibly and well, the case for the Amendment. He mentioned areas where poorer people reside, but I should like to draw attention also to another class of constituency, the South Coast towns, where this problem will hit particularly hard unless the Amendment is accepted. I do not want to make a constituency speech, and I hope that I shall be forgiven for mentioning my own constituency, but I must say that we in Poole have about [column 258]12 per cent. more than the national average of persons over the age of 65. We have also considerably more than the national average of domestic ratepayers and much fewer than the national average of industrial and commercial ratepayers. This problem strikes at the heart of many people who will not be in the category qualified for rate relief but who will, by the very way in which the Bill is worded, be forced to contribute to the assistance of those only minimally worse off than themselves. The Amendment would help them considerably, because the rating problem in these South Coast towns for all people—and particularly for those living below a certain bracket—is a very serious one. Mr. A. G. F. Hall-Davis Like my hon. Friend the member for Poole (Mr. Murton), I hesitate to make a constituency speech, but, in the circumstances of the Amendment and the Bill, I think that one is fully justified in doing so. It is only when one has personal knowledge of the effect of the rating system that one can speak with the conviction which I feel on the Amendment. The trouble with the Minister's proposals for placing 25 per cent. of the burden on the local authorities is that this will fall most heavily on just those ratepayers who at present suffer the greatest disability and oppression as a result of the existing system. I think it is almost automatic that in rating districts where there are a great many people who will benefit from the relief—and most welcome relief it is—and who will enjoy this relief, there are also proportionately a very large number of people who are just above the exemption limits. It seems that these authorities will have to carry a burden which will be particularly grievous to those people who are already heavily burdened. My own borough has stated that this will add 3d. to its rates for the coming year. In fact, this might well prove to be an underestimate. 11.0 a.m. This will fall on people who are probably already facing a 25 per cent. increase in rates over the last two years and who, furthermore, have been denied what they were dearly looking forward to, namely, a reassessment in 1968 which they hoped would redress what they considered to be [column 259]an over assessment of properties, particularly in seaside towns where many people are living on small incomes and where, in fact, there is not a demand for property. Therefore, I hope that the Minister will consider this Amendment very carefully indeed. He has said that he will introduce a second Bill, and presumably the people who are above the minimum limit have to wait for this Bill before they can get any relief. It seems poor compensation for deferring their hope, which had been strongly encouraged, to put up their rates to a higher level in the interval. I hope, therefore, that the Minister will feel able to accept this Amendment because it is in keeping with his own views that he wishes to diminish the regressive effect of rates. It is regressive not as regards individual ratepayers but as regards districts in the country—those districts which can least afford to put a heavier burden on the ratepayers. Mr. James Allason I think it is generally accepted that this Bill will put an average of 1 per cent. increase on to the rates over the whole country. But, of course, there are many cases where it will be much higher than that. It is a quite deliberate increase in the rate burden which really is already excessive. During the 13 years of “Tory misrule” rates rose on an average 5½ per cent. per annum. That was the average paid by the domestic ratepayer in contrast to the rise in prices which was 3.2 per cent. a year over the same period. So, clearly, the rates were going up faster than any other item, and represented a heavy burden for anyone to have to pay. Under the present Administration we have a rather different picture. Whilst prices have risen by an average of 4½ per cent. per year, domestic rates have risen in the first year by 12 per cent., and although we do not know what it will be in the second year, it will probably be another 12 per cent. This, of course, is in contrast to the promise of early relief for domestic ratepayers contained in the Labour Party's manifesto. We have a deliberate intention to increase the rates paid by all domestic ratepayers with the exception of those who are covered by this Bill, that is, those whose incomes are up to round about £600 a year. [column 260] Rates, of course, started for the relief of the poor by the parish. We have moved some way from that. They are no longer for relief of the poor but for other purposes, and relief of the poor has become a national responsibility—— Mr. Julius Silverman We did it in 1947. Mr. Allason I wish that if the Government are proud of the fact that it is a national responsibility, they would stick to it being a national responsibility. This Amendment makes it a national responsibility, and I hope we shall have the support of the hon. Gentleman if not all his colleagues for this Amendment. Mr. Philip Goodhart Like my hon. Friends who have just spoken, I come from an area which has a much bigger proportion of domestic ratepayers than the national average, and we are all likely to be severely hit by the provision set forth in Clause 7. Of course, under any system of relief of taxation some people are bound to be excluded, but as my right hon. Friend has pointed out with great force and clarity this morning, the provision of Clause 7 as it stands means that the burden of the rates will be increased very substantially for the vast majority of ratepayers, and many of those just above the poverty level. Like my hon. Friend the Member for Morecambe and Lonsdale (Mr. Hall-Davis), I find it particularly difficult to understand how it can be that the Minister goes around the countryside saying that rating is regressive and, indeed, that he intends to bring in a Bill to reduce the general level of rates for the domestic ratepayer, at precisely the time that he is introducing a Bill which will increase the general level of rates for the domestic ratepayer. I salute the ingenuity of my right hon. Friend for divising the Amendment, and if, as I hope it will be, it is carried this morning, it will at least mitigate to a considerable extent the extra burden that is likely to fall on the average domestic ratepayer in so many of our constituencies. Mr. Dudley Smith Unlike my hon. Friends, I come from perhaps a more intensely urban area than they do, but, again, this problem is a uniform one spread over all the country, and I would [column 261]support the Amendment. I think there will always be a case for those who are better off to subsidise those who are less better off. It is probably good politics and good logic in many respects, but there comes a breaking time when this matter has to be looked at very carefully indeed, particularly so in a matter such as rating. My hon. Friend the Member for Morecambe and Lonsdale put his finger on it when he said there are large numbers of those who are just above the margin for relief who feel this regressive tax—because it is a tax—very severely indeed, particularly this year with the large jump in rates which we are expecting. The situation is well-known, but, nevertheless, more and more people are affected. There are many who cannot assimilate an increase just as they cannot assimilate other increases in the cost of living, but they get no relief whatever. They are in a position of having to pay and they resent it. I would have thought that one way out of the difficulty would be to allow the Amendment which my right hon. Friend has moved. I, too, have noted with interest the comments of the Minister in various speeches he has made about rates being out of date, about their being regressive, and that he intends to do something about them. I hope he will. I would support my right hon. Friend, but I do not think that he has the answer. Indeed, I doubt whether anyone has the answer. The real way of tackling the problem would be to have a local Income Tax on individuals with allowances to which they are due. As things are the burden will go on increasing, whichever party is in power, until somebody does grasp the nettle and the public become more incensed. Here is an opportunity for a small reform under the Bill, one which is welcome on both sides of the Committee, but which is limited. This Amendment would assist those people who are prepared to make some form of sacrifice to help those on the lowest incomes of all, but who are not prepared to go on paying year after year increased rates. People will not continually tolerate an increase. Mr. Julius Silverman The City of Birmingham, part of which I represent, has already a scheme of rate rebates in operation before the Act comes in. This [column 262]has been done by the council and the citizens at their own expense. I think that one or two other local authorities have done the same. The consequence is that they are grateful to the Minister for this Bill as at the present time they have been paying a little of this rebate and now they will get a contribution of 75 per cent. If this Amendment had been a device to assist that narrow belt of people who come just above the relief rate and who might suffer a certain amount of hardship by the contribution they had to make, it would have some sympathy from me, but it goes far beyond that. It is a proposition to divest all financial responsibility of every single ratepayer, including the wealthiest ratepayers. Where does the money come from. It is an outrageous proposition, for it proposes to raid the National Insurance Fund, a fund which is intended for the poorest and the most distressed sections of the population—the sick, the poor and the old. What is the excuse given by the right hon. Gentleman? It is that there is plenty of money in the Fund and it is in surplus. This is rather like robbing the blind man's money box because there is plenty in it at the time. It is an outrageous proposition and I am astonished that the right hon. Gentleman should have the effrontery to make it. I am sure that it will be resisted. 11.15 a.m. Mr. Alan Williams I find it very difficult to accept the argument coming from the benches opposite concerning the question of hardship and the heavy burden which will be created as a result of this Measure. If we get the facts in perspective, even if we accept the suggestion that it is going to mean some increase in rates, on a rateable value of about £120 on the year there will be an increase in the rate burden of £1 which will be divided into 10 instalments. So what has been suggested is that an extra 2s. per instalment is a heavy burden. Mr. Hall-Davis What I was emphasising was that this was an additional burden on those who are heavily pressed already, which is slightly different. Mr. Williams The hon. Member for Poole (Mr. Murton)—his is a constituency which I know fairly well because I had [column 263]the distinctive experience of fighting his predecessor there in the 1959 election—made the point that in his constituency there was an excess of people over the age of 65. It should be borne in mind that that is a very wealthy area. It contains Canford Cliffs, which is known as Millionaires' Row, and it is hard to plead poverty from the back of a Rolls-Royce. Mr. Murton It is a wholly unjustified statement to say that the Borough of Poole is wealthy. There is undoubtedly one area where there are a considerable number of people better off than others, but in Poole there are many acres of small and worthy citizens living in bungalows, retired with a very limited income. Indeed, I would say that Poole is a perfect example of what my right hon. Friend is attempting to achieve by this Amendment. Mr. Williams If I may say so to the hon. Gentleman, I did not claim that Poole was a wealthy borough. When he checks the record of the proceedings he will have difficulty in finding that. What I did challenge was the hon. Gentleman's point that there was an excess of elderly people there. My argument is that this excess arises out of the retirement characteristics of the area, and it would be difficult to prove otherwise. The other point I want to make is that it would be more impressive to the general public if the Opposition had concerned themselves with these groups who are more hard pressed. Mr. Dudley Smith I appreciate the point the hon. Gentleman is making, but the Opposition is concerned with all groups suffering under heavy burdens, those on fixed incomes, the elderly and the young marrieds who are trying to found a home on a small income and for whom every increase will make a difference. Mr. Williams The point I was trying to make is that we would have more respect for the Opposition's concern for those who are not termed poor if, during their term of office, they had done something for those who really are poor. Mr. MacColl The right hon. Gentleman began by saying that local authorities were unanimously against paying the [column 264]25 per cent. I will not challenge that for a moment. I would be very surprised indeed if they took any other view. Local authorities are trustees of their ratepayers' money and of their rate fund. I am sure that the right hon. Gentleman, who was at the other end of the negotiating table during his term of office at the Treasury, knows that they fight very hard indeed to get the maximum they can from the Exchequer. I would not for one moment question their right to do that. In a democracy they are perfectly entitled to do it, and it would be odd if they did not. As my hon. Friend the Member for Birmingham, Aston (Mr. Julius Silverman) said, many local authorities are grateful for this. Of course, if they could have got more they would have been even more grateful. They would have been very odd people if they had not been. Therefore, I do not think there is very much in that argument. What we have to look at is what is a reasonable sharing of costs between the Exchequer and the rate fund. Although my right hon. Friend would not have been mortified if he had been able to get more to offer them, he got the approval of his Government colleagues to accept the principle of 75 per cent. and 25 per cent. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter When the Parliamentary Secretary says that his right hon. Friend would not have been mortified if he had been able to get more, is he telling the Committee that he tried and that the Chancellor of the Exchequer turned him down? Mr. MacColl The right hon. Gentleman need not spread the net in the sight of the bird. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter Well, the bird walked straight into it. Mr. MacColl What I am saying is that my right hon. Friend has a reputation for trying to get all he can for the services for which he is responsible. I am quite certain that if my right hon. Friend could have seen his way to providing a better grant he would have been very pleased to do it. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter Then really the answer to my question is “Yes” . Mr. MacColl I will simply leave it to the right hon. Gentleman to reflect on his own experiences in the Treasury and make his own estimates of what is likely to happen in those circumstances. The point made by the right hon. Gentleman is reasonable: that one of the factors in this is the desirability of some of the local authority's money being involved in the operation. He said he thought that was not an unfair argument to use, although he was not very satisfied about the use which had been made of it in this context. Certainly that is a very important part of the argument. I do not think it is the major part because one of the difficulties here stems from continuously regarding this as an operation of a social service for relieving poverty. My right hon. Friend has said again and again that what this is doing is making rates a more effective and more flexible local tax. It is not by any means a final solution, but it is a move in that direction. Therefore, to say to the local authorities that we are providing a scheme whereby some of the hardship caused by rating systems can be shifted from the poorer pockets is in itself something in which local authorities are just as vitally interested as are the central Government and the Exchequer Fund. This is not an operation of getting the ratepayer to pay for the relief of poverty. It is, to some extent, an operation of redistributing the burden of rates from the people who can least bear it on to others. Therefore, for that reason there is a very good case for saying that this is a reasonable distribution of the financial cost of doing it. The right hon. Gentleman rebuked us for tying up the Bill with the Money Resolution. He was very angry about our doing that. I am making no point about putting this on the National Insurance Fund. My only hope is that if this Amendment is carried perhaps the hon. Lady the Member for Finchley (Mrs. Thatcher) will tell my right hon. Friend the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance, rather than leave me to tell her it has happened. I think it will be a sore blow to her. I recognise that for the purposes of the debate some very odd instruments have to be used. I can remember trying to put very odd things into the Land Fund, [column 266]but I would not make a debating point of that at all. The real point is whether or not we should keep the ratepayers' responsibility to the 1d. rate, and that is the point on which I wish to address myself now. The right hon. Gentleman led this grass roots rebellion at Blackpool when the previous Minister was overthrown at the conference, and the firm decision he had taken not to have any rating relief until the publication of the Allen Report was overthrown. I am sure that this is one of the things of which the right hon. Gentleman is most proud. He led the decision to have the 1964 Bill, and that was approved by conference at Blackpool. What happened when it came back? It is quite true that it was a discretionary scheme, and the right hon. Gentleman says that if it is a discretionary scheme the case for having a high grant is not so great as for a mandatory scheme. What happened was that when he got back to the Treasury—of which he was then a distinguished ornament—the grant was fixed at 50 per cent., and the Money Resolution was tied so tightly that it was quite impossible to have any increase on the 50 per cent. All we did in our Money Resolution was to look at some of the Money Resolutions of the past—and particularly that one—and see in what respect ours compared. In fact, they are very similar. What we say is that our scheme—as the right hon. Gentleman said—is mandatory and not discretionary, and therefore it is reasonable that our grant should be higher than the 50 per cent. to which the last Government stuck. Therefore, we have gone up to 75 per cent., which is a very substantial grant. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter In making these grant comparisons, the Parliamentary Secretary is excluding from the equation the other provisions of the 1964 Act under which the general provisions to these areas with numbers of poor and old people were increased. There is no such compensating provision in this Bill. Mr. MacColl The £5 per head for people over 65 still goes on. Quite a number of authorities are getting out of the £5 per head something comparable to the cost of the scheme to them. Therefore, it is perfectly true to say that whereas this scheme is going to work [column 267]compared with the last one, the cost is going to be greater. It is not a piece of whitewashing; it is meant to work. Nevertheless, the capitation grant will continue. A fair point was made by several hon. Members. Particularly, the hon. Member for Morecambe and Lonsdale (Mr. Hall-Davis) raised it. That was the question of people who are just outside the scheme. He said that this scheme was fair and reasonable and much better than anything we had ever had before for those who come under it. However, that increased the burden of people who were just outside it. I have only two points about that. First of all, in this there is a tapering scheme. There is no rigid, immediate cliff between those who get grants and those who do not. There is a tapering off for people whose incomes take them outside the full grant. There is the deduction of the 5s. in the £ for the income above a certain level. We also have power by Statutory Instrument to vary the income limits. It is quite true that my right hon. Friend, who is always an extremely humble man, does not pretend that he knows all. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter The Parliamentary Secretary's joke rather misfired. Mr. MacColl I am sorry, it was not a joke. My right hon. Friend approached these things with a full knowledge of the lack of information we had. The reason why we had that lack of information was because of the lack of statistics on these matters gathered by the last Government. We had to start gathering information. The cost of the scheme and the incidence on particular people is a matter of guesswork. One has to make the best guess one can. If the tapering scheme is not right and if it begins too soon we can alter it by statutory instrument. The scheme therefore is more flexible than has been suggested. If we raised the limit to £360, those who are now between £260 and £360 who have been subject to the taper would get full relief. Those between £460 and £560 who might not now be getting any relief because they are not within the range of the taper, would come into it. 11.30 a.m. I want to look at the point which the Amendment is primarily about. That is [column 268]the question of fixing the limit of the 1d. rate. There is no secret about the way in which we reach the figure of 1d. rate. I do not want to pretend that there is any sancity about there figures. If we take the Financial Memorandum to the Bill, which is based largely on a survey to try to measure the operation of the cost of the Bill, the estimate—it is only an estimate—is that the total cost will be £29 million. The Exchequer grant is £22 million, leaving a difference of £7 million. The national 1d. rate product is £8⅔ million so that £7 million is below the national 1d. rate product. It is true that if we take an average like that some will be above and some below it, but I do not think the use of a 1d. rate as the test is a fair way of meeting the differences. There is always the difficulty with averages that one never meets the people who make up the average. Everyone who has taken part in this debate has been satisfied that his cost will be much greater than the average. Understandably, no one has said that his district will be below the average. I noticed by looking at several of the authorities which said that they thought their costs would be above the average that many of them were authorities for whom the 1d. rate test would not be a very good test. This was said by the hon. Member for Morecambe and Lonsdale, that there was an over-assessment of profits in seaside areas and this had led to an increased assessment. He thought Morecambe was over-assessed. If so, these local authorities will not be the ones which will benefit from the 1d. rate test because their 1d. rate will be so high that they cannot benefit. Mr. Hall-Davis I am probably being very obtuse, but I cannot see that a 1d. rate can be more harmful than a 3d. rate, whether the 3d. rate is on a high or a low assessment. Surely it presses more hardly than a 1d. rate. Mr. MacColl The estimate of the 3d. rate and the estimate of the cost are difficult to assess. I am not accepting that some of the estimates are accurate. I agree that it is difficult to measure them. What I am arguing is that if assistance to authorities which most need assistance is anchored to valuation, the very authorities which are suffering because they are [column 269]over-assessed will be those which get the least help. Those areas where there are a large number of owner-occupiers with fixed incomes are often new areas with new houses which are very highly assessed. That is where the 1d. rate test is less likely to be effective. The Committee would be unwise to think that the 1d. rate test would get us out of these problems. The most effective way of doing this is to make a percentage grant of 75 per cent., which is a very substantial grant—considerably greater than under the previous arrangements and greater than any other grant dealing with similar problems. This is a reasonable sharing of the burden which is quite consistent with what my right hon. Friend has said about the regressive and out-of-date system of rates. He is making them less burdensome and regressive than they were while the Exchequer is taking a greater share of the cost of doing this. Mrs. Thatcher There are one or two points I wish to mention. The first main one is a point to which I do not think the James MacCollParliamentary Secretary has addressed any considerable argument. At the moment a poor person would have a choice as to whether he got relief from National Assistance or from the local authority under this Bill. If he went to National Assistance the entire cost of that relief would fall upon the taxpayer. The local authority, however, cannot compel that person to go to National Assistance. If he chooses he may apply for rate relief under this Bill, in which case only three-quarters of the cost is to be borne by the taxpayer and as the Bill is drafted the rest will be borne by the ratepayer. It seems quite wrong that the ratepayer's burden should be determined by whether or not a person chooses to benefit under National Assistance and at the expense of the taxpayer. If the Bill goes through as drafted, this seems a very considerable anomaly. Mr. Julius Silverman Does not that apply today in many rent rebate schemes where a person who is not on National Assistance applies for a rent rebate and gets it? The ratepayer then meets the burden instead of the taxpayer. Mrs. Thatcher That is a choice made deliberately by the elected representa[column 270]tives of that particular authority. This Bill is concerned with mandatory powers placed by Parliament upon a local authority regardless of whether or not that local authority wishes to have them. There is a major difference. I was about to address myself to an argument raised by the hon. Member for Birmingham, Aston (Mr. Julius Silverman). He will correct me if I am wrong, but I think he used the words “raiding the National Insurance Fund for this purpose” and implied that it was for the help of the old and poverty stricken. Mr. Julius Silverman Yes. Mrs. Thatcher This may have been the result of the view of social security that the Fund is for the old people, in which case the Minister will be making speeches in the country about dismantling the Welfare State, but at the moment the proceeds of that Fund go equally to the owner of the Rolls-Royce or the Mini, or to the car-less person; they are not solely for the poverty stricken. I admit that this Amendment would enable them to go to all the ratepayers. I do not think the hon. Member fully appreciated the intellectual aptness of the Amendment. The National Insurance Fund benefits, and under this Amendment any money paid out of it to the ratepayers would, of course, benefit the ratepayers—or not so much benefit them as exempt them from an additional liability. The other point about choosing the National Insurance Fund is that there may have been an argument that it would be unwise at this moment to raise more taxes to meet this Amendment. As my right hon. Friend the Member for Kingston-upon-Thames (Mr. Boyd-Carpenter) said, the Fund is in surplus at the moment and the latest figures tell us this. I refer to the Report of the Government Actuary on the financial provisions of the 1966 Insurance Bill, which tells us that this year the right hon. Lady the Margaret HerbisonMinister—whom I would gladly tell the result if this Amendment were to be passed,—will take in more than £30 million than she requires to spend during the same financial year. It was to have found £60 million more, but the figure has been revised by the Government Actuary for a very interesting reason. Apparently, more people fall sick under Labour Governments than [column 271]under Conservative Governments. The Government Actuary said in paragraph 7 of the Report: If more people fall sick and can claim from National Insurance, more people will fall sick and can claim under rate rebates. So it would seem that there is a very good point for using the National Insurance Fund for these rebates. Had I been a member of the Labour Party when it was in Opposition, I would also have pointed out the very considerable reserve funds available for National Insurance and said that they should be raided. I do not do so now because I do not like raiding reserve funds, but there is plenty in the National Insurance Fund at the moment and the Parliamentary Secretary will be aware that his right hon. Friend has no hesitation whatsoever in putting up the contribution rates. Indeed, when we reach October they will have gone up three times under the present Government. There is another intellectual point about using the National Insurance Fund. It is very broadly based. It has 24 million contributors and therefore raises its money on a far broader base than is the case with the rating system. It also has a considerable contribution from the Exchequer. This would enable the burden falling upon the ratepayer to be more widely spread among the contributing and taxpaying community. For those reasons I hope that the Parliamentary Secretary might reconsider the thought behind the Amendment even if he does not agree with the actual method of achieving its purpose. Mr. Allason I wish to protest against the suggestion that this is a wicked Tory plot to benefit rich ratepayers. By this Bill the Government are quite deliberately putting an extra charge on all those ratepayers who do not come under the benefits of the Bill because of poverty. If we object to this it is not so as to give benefit to rich ratepayers, but merely as a protest that unnecessary burdens are being put on ratepayers outside the scheme. Mr. McColl I do not recognise this argument as one which I used. What I [column 272]said was that I do not think the method of this Amendment is one best calculated to help the areas of great poverty. Mr. Allason I was addressing myself to the Parliamentary Secretary's hon. Friends rather than to the Parliamentary Secretary who very honestly said that, having done this sort of trick in the past, he would not want to take particular exception to the sources of the revenue to which we seek to switch this burden. The argument that we are seeking to give benefit to the richer ratepayers is very similar to that infuriating Treasury argument when the Treasury says that it is prepared to give some money to taxpayers, whereas, in fact, it is ceasing to take quite so much money from the taxpayers. This does not happen under the present Government, so perhaps I should acquit them of it. There is no sign of anyone getting any tax relief under this Government, but it has happened in the past that Treasury words have been used to imply that something is being given away. Let us get away from this. Everybody is being heavily taxed, and we are trying to assess how heavy the tax should be. We are protesting against a deliberate increase in the rates to be paid by the vast majority of ratepayers. 11.45 a.m. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter My hon. Friends have dealt so effectively with the Joint Parliamentary Secretary that I want to add only a word or two before the Committee might be prepared to come to a decision. I want to come back to the hon. Member for Birmingham, Aston (Mr. Julius Silverman) who made a gallant, though, as my hon. Friend has shown, singularly ill-informed attempt to raise prejudice against the particular method of finance suggested in the Amendment. It has been clearly demonstrated to the hon. Gentleman that just as rates are paid by all income groups—and this Bill tries to exempt the lowest income group from rates—so National Insurance is paid by all income groups, but for many years has had the small income exemption in respect of the worst of people, which belatedly the rating system is now acquiring by the 1964 and 1966 Measures. There is therefore really no question of robbing anybody's moneybags at all. [column 273]Insurance contributions are wider in their impact, and are more widely paid through all income groups than are rates. If the hon. Gentleman is seriously worried by that, which perhaps I am flattering him in suggesting, there is no need for the Fund to suffer at all. It has always been the policy of Labour Governments to cut off Exchequer contributions to the National Insurance Fund, and the late Mr. Gaitskell led the way in that. If the hon. Gentleman is worried about the Fund, despite its healthy surplus, it would be perfectly easy to make the necessary adjustment—this would have to be done by the Government, not by us—by upping the Exchequer contribution, so I hope that the hon. Gentleman will be happy there. Now I want to make the Joint Parliamentary Secretary happy. He admitted, with that agreeable lack of caution with which he sometimes enlivens our debates, that his right hon. Friend had attempted to get a higher rate of contribution than 75 per cent. from the Exchequer, but that the Chancellor of the Exchequer had turned him down. Mr. MacColl I think that with that agreeable extravagance with which the right hon. Gentleman often enlivens our discussions, he is grossly distorting what I said, and had thought of saying it even before I spoke, so I do not blame him for misunderstanding me. I said that my right hon. Friend, who is always anxious to get the fullest amount of support for the services for which he is responsible, looking at the various other commitments involved, could not reasonably expect to get more than this. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter That is not what the hon. Gentleman said last time—— Mr. MacColl The record will show. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter —before he had a little note from the box. I ask the hon. Gentleman to look carefully tomorrow, or whenever we get it, at the report of what he said, and at his replies to my two interjections. I repeat that he made it abundantly clear that that is what happened, and indeed he confirmed that by an attempted riposte to me by saying that I knew how the Treasury system worked. He really let this large, furry pussycat out of the bag. Mr. MacColl I do not think that it is a large, furry pussycat, because, as the right hon. Gentleman showed, he did an even worse job at the Treasury by wrecking the 1964 Bill. If that is his standard of Treasury activity, I can understand that he thinks that that is what happened in this case. In fact, what happened was that with all the other commitments which we have to face, with the new Government cleaning up the mess, this was a reasonable contribution to make on this very tender and sensitive spot. Any sensible person would have liked to have done more to help rates than it is possible to do this Session. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter If it is in order to debate the economic mess which this Government have created, I shall happily take advantage of that opportunity, as the hon. Gentleman knows. I would only refer him to the Prime Minister's statement on 23rd November, 1964, as to the perfectly satisfactory nature of the position. The crisis of confidence arose six weeks after this Government had taken office, and because of their actions. If it is in order to refer also to the wrecking of the 1964 Measure. I can only say that that was the first measure of relief ever given to the poorer ratepayer. That is why I mentioned it and pointed out that it does what this Measure refrains from doing and gives additional and compensating financial aid from the Exchequer to those authorities likely to carry an additional burden because of the rebate provisions. If the hon. Gentleman wants to argue that, I do not think that he will get much joy out of it. We therefore come back to the fact that the hon. Gentleman plainly admitted, and his rather pathetic attempts to row back only underline the quality of his original gaff, that his right hon. Friend tried to get more than 75 per cent. and failed. I think that that is to the right hon. Gentleman's credit, but it shows that when the Joint Parliamentary Secretary gets up and argues to this Committee that 75 per cent. is enough, he is arguing the converse of what his right hon. Friend argued to the Cabinet, and that perhaps accounts for the poor showing which the hon. Gentleman made in arguing what he knows to be a thoroughly bad case. [column 275-276] I rose to give comfort to the hon. Gentleman. If the Committee in its wisdom puts this Amendment in the Bill, the hon. Gentleman's right hon. Friend will be able not only to go back to the Cabinet and say what is always agreeable to anybody to say, even for a modest man like the Minister, “I told you so” but to come back fortified by the fact that the law is as he indicated to his hon. Friend he would wish it to be, and as we all know is just and right in this respect. I think, therefore, that we would be helping the Joint Parliamentary Secretary, and helping his absent right hon. Friend, if we put this into the Bill and did what we all know his right hon. Friend intended to do, and not put this additional burden on the ratepayer. I say this in all seriousness. Hon. Gentlemen opposite are going to face, as we all are, in our constituencies next month—and next month may have some special significance, I do not know—the complaints of our constituents who as ratepayers are going to suffer swingeing increases in rates as a result of the Government's failure in other directions. Here we have a chance to limit in a modest degree the size of that increase. It is no more than that, but it lies in our hands this morning, if we wish to do so, to take what steps are now open to us to limit the amount of that increase. Those who do not take that opportunity but vote against the Amendment will have to answer to their constituents for not taking advantage of the chance at least to alleviate some measure of the increase in the rate burden. I do not envy them having to offer an explanation for that. Question put, That those words be there inserted:— The Committee divided: Ayes 8, Noes 9. Division No. 11.] Allason , James (Hemel Hempstead) Boyd-Carpenter , Rt. Hn. J. Goodhart , Philip Hall-Davis , A. G. F. Maddan , Martin Murton , Oscar Smith , Dudley (Br'ntf'd & Chiswick) Thatcher, Mrs Margaret Finch , Harold (Bedwellty) Hobden , Dennis (Brighton, K'town) MacColl , James Oakes , Gordon Rhodes , Geoffrey Silverman , Julius (Aston) Wellbeloved , James Whitlock , William Williams , Alan (Swansea, W.) Question proposed, That the Clause stand part of the Bill. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter On the last Amendment we discussed the real issue which arises on this Clause, namely, the Government's intention to impose substantial additional burdens on ratepayers, rather than, if I might quote the County Councils Association, to “nationally finance a national service” . I do not think, therefore, that the Committee will want to go over the ground again. We had an interesting revelation as to how this happened, and we have had from this side of the Committee a practical indication of the way in which these increases could at least be limited, but our suggestions have been rejected. Obviously my hon. Friends and I cannot oppose the Clause itself, because if we are opposed to putting a quarter of the cost on local authorities we must naturally be even more opposed to putting the whole cost on local authorities, as the absence of this Clause would involve. [column 276] For my part, therefore, all I want to do is to put on record once against that in a year in which acute difficulty is going to be caused to many millions of our fellow citizens by the forthcoming increases in rates—increases which this Government were pledged to prevent, and have lamentably failed to prevent—the Government are by this Bill deliberately adding to the burden with which nine-tenths of our ratepayers will be faced next March. Let us have that clearly on the record, without possibility of excuse or denial. Mr. MacColl I do not want to recapitulate the arguments which we have had. The right hon. Gentleman said that, but, in fact, he recapitulated almost all that he said. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter It would take a great deal longer than that. Mr. MacColl Good arguments can be put shortly, and all that I will repeat is that under this Clause, for the first time, [column 277]effective relief is being given to poor ratepayers. For the first time, by the beginning of the next financial year—subject, of course, to any difficulties caused by the Opposition—this Measure will be through, and this money will be available. The overwhelming proportion of it is being borne by the Exchequer. This is the first really effective attempt to do a job of rate rebate, and I therefore think that the Committee can confidently approve the Clause. Question put and agreed to. Clause ordered to stand part of the Bill. 12 noon. Clause 8.—(Treatment of, and of Grants towards, Rebates for other purposes. 1958 c. 55. Mrs. Thatcher I beg to move Amendment No. 111, in page 17, line 18, to leave out from “year” to the end of line 19. This might seem to be a rather complex Amendment, but its purpose is fairly simple. As I understand it, the grants which local authorities will receive towards rebates under the Bill will, if distributed—as provided by the Bill—as under Section 100 of the Local Government Act 1948, have to be distributed in proportion to the rateable values of the respective areas and not in proportion to the number of people who apply for and receive the rebate. The Amendment is therefore an attempt—whether it will achieve its purpose or not I do not know—to enable the Minister to distribute the grants not according to the rateable values but according to the needs of a particular area, which will vary according to how many people are granted rebates under the Bill. Mr. MacColl The operation of Section 100 of the Local Government Act is the normal, common form operation for distributing grants of this sort and it therefore seems a reasonable way of doing it. There may be weight in what the hon. Lady said, particularly in regard to some parishes which are severely hit, and this is something which my right hon. Friend is considering. If it is possible to find a way round the difficulty, we shall do so. Mrs. Thatcher In view of that assurance, I beg to ask leave to withdraw the Amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Clause ordered to stand part of the Bill. Clauses 9 to 11 ordered to stand part of the Bill. New Clause.—(National Assistance “Disregards” not to be Reckonable income.) There shall be left out of account for the purposes of subsections (1) and (2) of section 5 of this Act all the resources of an applicant which would (by virtue of any regulations made under section 5 of the National Assistance Act 1948 for the time being in force) be disregarded for the purpose of the determination of his needs for assistance under the said Act.—[Mrs. Thatcher.] Brought up, and read the First time. Mrs. Thatcher I beg to move, That the Clause be read a Second time. The Clause concerns National Assistance disregards and attempts to provide that they shall not be reckonable income for the purposes of the Bill. To some extent, the new Clause ties up with discussion on another Amendment at our last sitting, and the James MacCollParliamentary Secretary will be aware of the purpose behind it. It is a very suitable one, that people who help themselves and earn a little extra money, should not thereby be put out of reach of eligibility for rebates under the Bill. The same point arises over National Assistance. The people who earn a little themselves each week do not increase their income thereby because the amount is deducted from the amount which they receive in National Assistance. At any rate, that would be the case if there were not provision in the National Assistance Act for certain amounts of income to be disregarded. The amounts are comparatively small and have not been increased since an Amendment in 1959. The first 30s. per week of income earned by an old person plus half of the next 20s. for war disability pension is disregarded. For industrial injury disablement benefit, the first 30s. a week is disregarded. Of charitable payments made to a person, the first 15s. a week is disregarded. Therefore, the amounts I am talking about are comparatively modest. [column 279] I would ask the Parliamentary Secretary to apply the same principle, and probably the same figures, to the Bill. If he does not, he may find that people who would otherwise benefit themselves by doing a few hours' work per week will not do so because they would rob themselves of a rebate under the Bill. He would also put a number of benevolent funds in difficulty. According to what he said at our last sitting, “income” is all money which comes in and it would therefore include weekly payments by benevolent funds to certain beneficiaries. Benevolent funds may, therefore, have to revise their schedule of beneficiaries. If, by giving 15s., they are to debar the recipient from a rate refund, they may have to think up a different method of benefiting that recipient or withdraw help from him or her altogether. I believe that the principle is a good one and I hope that the Parliamentary Secretary will consider very seriously extending it to relief under the Bill. Mr. Hall-Davis I should like to reinforce—with some difficulty perhaps, for reasons which will become apparent later—the argument about the disincentive effect of the Bill on earnings and I should like to ask the Parliamentary Secretary to consider the Clause very seriously. It relates to an aspect of the Bill which I think will become more apparent as it goes into operation and which I have had little opportunity of raising in Committee. My hon. Friend has referred to the disincentive effect on National Assistance if some Clause like this is not added to the Bill. I have calculated that, for a widow with one child on National Assistance, the disincentive to going out to work after her income rises above £416 a year is equivalent to a standard rate of Income Tax of 10s. 6d. in the £. This would be tax of 8s. in the £ on her earnings of over £2 a week. A married man with a child would have to earn £9,000 a year before his effective rate of tax on income rises to 8s. in the £. This is not, therefore, a light subject. It will be seen that the conjunction of the various other measures, of which National Assistance is one, together with the withdrawal of relief of 5s. in the £, may amount to a very material dis[column 280]incentive to people with lower incomes—particularly to those drawing National Insurance or other benefits—from going out to work. I think that it will be appreciated that I am endeavouring to keep within the rules of order. Although this little example is the most extreme case which I have been able to find, it emphasises that this is an aspect of the operation of the Bill which the Parliamentary Secretary might like to estimate before Report. So far as I know, we have only touched on this. I am certain that people will quickly work out that, in certain circumstances, by going out to work they will lose nearly 50 per cent. of their earnings. This will have a marked disincentive effect. I hope that the hon. Gentleman will accept the Clause and consider its wider implications in relation to other aspects of the Bill and other types of benefit, particularly that which will continue—this is in terms of National Assistance benefit—even though the person returns to employment. Self-cancelling benefits arising from unemployment will not, of course, have the same effect, but benefits which remain in respect of some other disability or family circumstances will have a marked deterrent effect taken in conjunction with the Bill and the phasing of Income Tax allowances for individuals. Mr. MacColl I recognise the importance of the Amendment and can assure the hon. Lady the Member for Finchley (Mrs. Thatcher) that my right hon. Friend is considering this point with great care. It is clear that the case which she deployed is, on the face of it, a very plausible and reasonable one. The difficulty in trying to apply a system of disregards to rate rebates in the context of the Bill is the anomalies which it is liable to cause. I know that this argument can be varied and used in many cases, but we found it particularly difficult here. One possible way of doing this—this was something mentioned by the right hon. Member for Kingston-upon-Thames (Mr. Boyd-Carpenter) earlier—is to apply Income Tax disregards to the rebate. That immediately creates a certain amount of difficulty, because there are a number of disregards in the case of Income Tax [column 281]which are normally allowed and which would clash with the principle of the Bill. For example, retirement pensions should be taken into account and dealt with through the system of rebates. One of the difficulties is seen if we consider the case of two people with similar incomes and in similar positions. If their sources of income are different, the amounts of rate they pay would be different, and this would be an extremely difficult situation to justify. Their ability to pay may be the same, but, because the source of income of one is a pension or an allowance or a disregarded earning, he would be in a different position from the other, who was, perhaps, living on a retirement pension. The hon. Lady then turned to the other possibility, which is reasonable, that of doing it on the basis of National Assistance. The difficulty in this respect is partly administrative. We have tried to ensure all along that the local authorities' administration of the scheme should not involve tremendous increases of staff and highly specialised staff. Once one launches into Assistance Board disregards, one gets all the complications of calculating the first 15s., taking particular stops and adjustments which would make the process extremely complicated to administer. Therefore, the main principle behind this provision is that one should consider the income of the person and then make allowances. I have already mentioned that we can adjust the income allowances by Statutory Instrument, and that this is not an attempt to apply an elaborate means test to people but an attempt to provide rating relief. I agree that the case for allowing disregards has many attractions. If there could be a simple removal of particular sources of income that we all agreed should not be allowed, it would be easier. But once one goes for this means test, it is difficult to know where to draw the line. My right hon. Friend therefore feels that the new Clause should not be accepted. If we find that the provisions of the Bill are still hitting people with lower incomes, the best way of overcoming this would be by the general adjustment of the income limit rather than by picking out certain sources of income and eliminating them. [column 282] 12.15 p.m. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter That is not a very satisfactory or helpful reply. I disagree entirely with what the Parliamentary Secretary said in his concluding sentences about it being better simply to alter the general income levels than to apply National Assistance disregards. After all, the National Assistance disregards are not there arbitrarily or by accident. They are the result of a very careful study of the problems of poverty by an official body which has the most knowledge and experience of that subject. I refer to the National Assistance Board. Those of us who have had the good fortune to be associated with the work of the Board know that through its officers and their visits to a very large number of homes every year it has undoubtedly far more practical knowledge of the social problems of poverty than any other body, official or unofficial, in the country. Therefore, I think the system of disregards which has been developed over the years and which the Board has persuaded successive Ministers to enact is really entitled to more respect than the Parliamentary Secretary gave it. I think, if I may say so with respect, that his crude approach of saying, “Do not worry about these particular provisions; adjust if necessary” , ignores the very good and sound social reasons for the existence of these disregards. Let me take another example, that is, the disregard in respect of small weekly sums by way of charitable payment. Experience has shown that charitable moneys are more likely to be used and given to people if the charity concerned knows that those people will be that amount better off for getting that charitable payment. But if the charity knows that an official body will deduct something from a charitable payment to the person whom it is intended to benefit, and that therefore the effect of making it will not be to benefit that person but some public authority, it is almost certain that the charitable body will cut off the payment. Is that really doing any good? Then there is also the point concerning the small amount of work, the earnings for which are disregarded. Apart from the relief that that money gives to the person who earns it, there is a real social [column 283]and, in many cases, a rehabilitatory importance in those people being encouraged to undertake a modest amount of work. If they know that this will not mean anything to them net, that they will forfeit their rent rebate because the local authority says that they have been put over the level and that the money is not to come to them, then the best encouragement to them to do that work is being removed. It really is a mistake to underrate the good sense and years of accumulated experience of this problem that lie behind the present National Assistance disregards. I hope I may be excused if I speak rather heatedly on this, having seen how they have been evolved and the work that has been done. It is a great pity not to take advantage of this experience. “Oh” , says the hon. Gentleman, “It will be all too difficult to calculate” . What on earth is to prevent the local authority in any National Assistance case simply accepting the certificate of the local office of the Board that those disregards are being applied in the case of the person concerned? No one suggests that the local authority should undertake a separate review of the matter. The certificate of the local office of the National Assistance Board would suffice perfectly for this purpose, and no administrative effort other than writing a receipt or a single letter would be required by the local authority. Therefore, with respect, the hon. Gentleman's administrative objections are nonsense. Finally, he says that we do not want to set up an elaborate means test. It must not be forgotten that, in fact, a means test is being set up, and I do not hold that against him. I am sure that benefits of this kind are rightly administered on the basis of a means test, and he is right to disregard the unhappy associations of that word in order to do what is right. But simply to say, “I am not setting up an elaborate means test” is not really justified by setting up an unelaborate one which is brutal and unfair. In certain respects the elaboration of a means test springs from a desire of those operating it to make it fair and just. If the local authorities were to be called upon to operate this on their own without technical help it would be a very heavy [column 284]burden to put on them. But I do not suggest that. I suggest that the advice should be sought of those who come from the body which operates these tests every day of the week in hundreds of thousands of cases throughout the country, and succeeds in doing so, I think, with the general approval of both sides of this House and of public opinion. Of course, this trouble derives from what I think was the Minister's mistake in going for Mr. Justice. Bronson 's definition of income, because that ignores the adjustments which the Inland Revenue and successive Chancellors of the Exchequer have brought into our Income Tax system with a view to achieving a greater measure of fairness than would be possible without introducing them. However, that is over the dam. We are beyond that point of the Bill. But I think it makes it all the more important to try to rectify the most acute cases, and it seems that the most acute cases are those raised in the new Clause and in the one we shall proceed to when we have come to the conclusion of this one. I think that it is the easiest of all to administer, because it is not imposing an administrative burden on the local authorities. May I repeat my suggestion, that the National Assistance Board should be used for this purpose. We heard at an earlier stage that close co-operation with the National Assistance Board would be necessary in any event by local authorities administering this scheme. I think it was accepted that where, at any rate, we were dealing with recipients of National Assistance, such close liaison would be required. It is true that the Minister is not introducing a new Clause dealing with the relationship between National Assistance and this rent rebate scheme. It is probably a pity, and we shall look with some anxiety to see his circular when it appears. But I cannot believe that that circular will do other than suggest the closest possible liaison on these matters generally between the Assistance Board's local offices and the local authorities. Whatever the circular may contain, I am certain that sensible local authorities will take advantage of the experience and knowledge of these cases which is possessed by the local offices of the Board. That being so, why in Heaven's name cannot the Parliamentary Secretary [column 285]go one stage further and say that his right hon. Friend will accept the certificate of the Assistance Board, get the information from that, and act on it? As I read this Clause they would be entitled to do it. The Parliamentary Secretary will agree that we have made good progress with the Bill in the last day or two, and he has grounds to be grateful for the cooperation he has had from the Committee. I hope that the Committee will continue to press him on this point because he has not begun to make a case for resisting this. Local authorities could administer this perfectly well if it went into the Bill. It may be that from the tone of the Parliamentary Secretary's speeches he is open to further persuasion, and it may be that my hon. Friends will be successful in that where I appear to have failed. We must, however, continue to press him. Mr. Allason If I understood the Parliamentary Secretary correctly, he said there very probably was a problem, but that the way of solving it was by changing the income limit for which there are powers under the Bill. I wonder whether he has forgotten that the powers to which he referred are in Clause 5(6), which reads: Has the Parliamentary Secretary made an estimate of what would be the cost of raising the income limit by, say, £100, and has his right hon. Friend gone to the Treasury and suggested that this is a strong possibility, because he has on two occasions suggested that any problems which will arise can be dealt with so easily in this way. I should be grateful if he could give any indication of what the additional cost would be to the Treasury of raising the income limit by, say, £100, and whether the Treasury has indicated that it will be perfectly happy in the event of his finding the difficulties which, in fact, we know he will find. Mrs. Thatcher May I put the case in a little more detail to the Parliamentary Secretary than I did before? I had thought that he would see it, because it was such an obvious case, and I am amazed that he has attempted to resist the Amendment. The first point I should like to make is that unless he has some kind of pro[column 286]vision such as this in the Bill, he will give local authorities a very distasteful job indeed when they have to say to some applicants, “Because you went out two mornings a week and did a little housework, for which you received a little money, you are no longer eligible for a rate rebate” . No local authority officer will like to say that. Again, many local authorities run work centres for old people. The old people love to go to those centres and the local authorities take considerable trouble to get from manufacturers a supply of work of the kind which can be done at such centres. Is the local authority with one and the same voice to urge people to go to those work centres, to provide them and to lay on buses for them to get there and then, when the old folk have earned a few shillings, £1 or 30s., to turn round and say, “Because you have done what we wanted you to do, you will not now have any rebate on your rates” ? There are a large number of people who go out and earn a little extra money, not only for the sake of the money but because it gives them an interest in life, and they would then be in a position of having to go to the local authority and declare that income. One must read this new Clause in conjunction with the penalty provision in Clause 3. I ask the Parliamentary Secretary to remember that these persons would go out to earn a little money not realising that it would prevent them from getting a rate rebate. If such a person does not declare it to the local authority it renders him or her So an old lady who goes out and does a little baby sitting two nights a week and who does not then go along to the local authority and declare that she has earned £1 that week and that she is going to do more baby sitting regularly, renders herself liable to a fine for withholding material information. 12.30 p.m. My case is briefly this. The Parliamentary Secretary will make it very much more difficult and distasteful for local authorities if he does not put in a provision of this kind than he will if he accedes to this new Clause. I ask him to [column 287]consult with the local authorities on this and to reconsider the very poor case he has attempted to put up against it. There should be no difficulty whatsoever in operating a Clause of this kind. I ask him to consider two special aspects, even if he does not have some of the particular disregards which National Assistance has. The first is the earnings aspect, and the second is the charitable payments aspect. Those are absolutely vital from the point of view of the ratepayer and also from that of the local authority administering the scheme. Mr. Hall-Davis I would also press the Parliamentary Secretary not to be completely negative in his attitude to this new Clause. He raised my hopes when he referred in his first comment on it to the possibility of increasing the income limits as being a better step. He was asked if he would give an estimate of some of the cost of doing this. I have always calculated, perhaps inaccurately, that to embrace the Allen Report's third income bracket of £520 to £780 would have only increased the total cost by some £16 million. If he wants to consider value for money, I certainly recommend that one to him, although it is possibly a late stage now for us to make any progress. I suggest that we should go through the National Assistance disregards to see whether some of them could not be incorporated in a Clause as Amendments to the Bill. It may be that the Parliamentary Secretary feels he could not swallow them in total, but some of them could well be examined to see if they could not be the subject of an exemption. I fully appreciate that this will not apply in a great many cases but paragraph 5(2,c) of the Second Schedule says: As one who failed to claim the maternity allowance within the prescribed period, and has never been allowed by my wife to forget it since, I can well imagine—— Mr. Boyd-Carpenter Surely it was my hon. Friend's wife and not my hon. Friend who claimed the maternity allowance. Mrs. Thatcher It is the grant; my hon. Friends are getting muddled up. Mr. Hall-Davis All I know is that the pitfalls of claiming under the Act are hazardous and leave lasting scars if one falls into them. As an example, if this type of grant led to a reduction because of particularly unfortunate circumstances at the time of the 5s. in the £ rate relief, I am sure this would cause great resentment and complication. I would ask the Parliamentary Secretary, if he feels he cannot embrace this Clause as it stands, covering all these items set out in the schedule in the Order, that he should look at them to see whether there was not some substance in some of them being incorporated in a Clause of this kind. Mr. MacColl I certainly would not complain at all about the tone in which the debate on this very important question has been conducted. If I may say so without impertinence, I think that hon. Members have put the case effectively and, at the same time, have seen some of the difficulties. Dealing first with the point raised by the hon. Gentleman about using National Assistance certificates, of course, they would not go to the National Assistance Board unless they were on National Assistance. If they were on National Assistance, then they would be getting their rates paid under the National Assistance, and National Assistance disregards would presumably apply. They would be dealt with by the Board entirely. What we are dealing with are the people who are not on National Assistance and who would not be going to the Board unless they were sent there to have their disregards assessed. The hon. Lady asked that we should take the views of the local authorities on this matter. We have indeed explored this matter with representatives of local authorities, and we have a working party of treasurers who have been advising us on the Bill. They have seen the point, as hon. and right hon. Members have seen it. However, they have come down finally to the view that they do not think it is something they could reasonably take on. Their advice is that the difficulties here would be great. I was asked by the hon. Member for Hemel Hempstead (Mr. Allason) about [column 289]changing the income limits. The point there is that we have power in the Bill to do that. The time to assess the need for it is the time when we have had the scheme working. So much of what we are doing now is groping in the dark because neither we nor anybody else has the information about how many people are going to make applications and at what level of income they are going to feel the pinch. We have this very valuable power of being able to alter, and the time to consider that is when we have experience of how it is working. Mr. Allason Would the hon. Gentleman agree that as it is put in the Bill, with the consent of the Treasury, it is much more likely to be a question of reduction rather than one of increase. Mr. MacColl I am sure that not even the right hon. Gentleman when he was in the Treasury would have taken that line. This is always in Bills. Mr. Julius Silverman The hon. Gentleman is thinking of a succession of Tory Chancellors of the Exchequer. Mr. MacColl I remember trying to get it out of one of the Housing Bills once and being told that this was the normal, common form for this kind of expenditure and a charge of this sort. It is quite clear that it is moveable up or down. Certainly, if the evidence showed that the income limits were wrong, the Government would not wish that the Bill was insufficiently flexible to amend them. They certainly would be prepared to look at it. That is the point of putting this in. It is a means of dealing with that matter. When the right hon. Gentleman made the point that here there was a coherent system of National Assistance disregards based on long experience, he spoke with great authority as he was for many years in the Ministry. From my limited experience, I would certainly accept that the National Assistance Board set up a system of disregards which, for the purposes of the relief of poverty, is a workable and coherent one. However, for the reasons I have mentioned, I do not think it is easily applied in toto to the relief of the ratepayer. As I say, the very poor ratepayer would normally be covered by National Assistance, unless he were one of these exceptional people who did not [column 290]want to go. To some extent it might be an incentive for a person to go if he felt he was paying more than his fair share. Being eligible for National Assistance, and through the operation of the disregard, there would be an inducement for him to go. To look at the individual disregards—and this was the point raised by the hon. Member for Morecambe and Lonsdale (Mr. Hall-Davis) and the hon. Lady—becomes extremely difficult because one has to go through a whole list and work out some sort of principle on which to decide which ones one can accept and which ones one cannot. If I may make another of those gaffs—if I do not make them the right hon. Gentleman invents them—— Mr. Boyd-Carpenter The hon. Gentleman's are so much better. Mr. MacColl This one is a good one. Because I wanted to satisfy myself, I went out and did precisely this exercise. I went through all the disregards, both under Income Tax and National Assistance, and asked myself the question whether there was some which obviously ought to be included here. I came to the conclusion that it was virtually impossible to draw that kind of line, and any attempt to do so would create more ill feeling and sense of injustice than an attempt to include them. I speak with embarrassment on the subject of maternity grants because I am bound to say that of the many claims I have made on the national purse in my day a claim for maternity grant is not one of them. I can see the case for somebody including maternity grants. Mrs. Thatcher I think the hon. Gentleman means the maternity allowance. Mr. MacColl Yes, the maternity allowance. There would be a good deal of feeling among people who have no children and were not benefiting from this allowance if they were told that they were not going to get the rebate because their income was from another source, such as a pension or a disablement benefit, but an able-bodied person getting a maternity allowance would have that included for rebate. That would create all sorts of difficulties and bad feeling. [column 291] I come back to the position from which I started, that the best way of approaching this is not to regard it as a complicated exercise in relief, in which one has very finely graded sources of income and is allowed so much in the varying amounts of different kinds, but one takes the broadest view of what is the income coming into the home and by adjusting the minimum income, if necessary, one makes the system more flexible. Therefore, I would advise the Committee not to accept this Amendment. Mr. Martin Maddan I must apologise that I was involved in a Select Committee along the Corridor, and have not therefore heard the whole of the debate. If this new Clause were accepted, it would allow the Government to do something to meet one of the criticisms of the Measure which I made on Second Reading. This criticism is that the Bill as drawn only gives help to poor people, to use that word, as very narrowly defined. There are many people who consider themselves living in poor and deteriorating circumstances, and in conditions to which the rate burden substantially contributes. It contributes to this deterioration. Therefore, if this new Clause were adopted it would enable the number of beneficiaries to be increased and to move a little way anyhow into that bracket immediately above the limits set by the Bill as it now stands. It would therefore give help to sections of the population who are finding it more and more difficult to make economic ends meet. One has in mind people who have saved a little money for retirement and gone to live in the sort of area we have been talking about, which will be hard hit. Under the National Assistance provisions there are disregards of certain amounts of savings and capital sums. 12.45 p.m. Mr. MacColl The hon. Member was honest enough to confess that he had not listened to the discussion. I do not make a point about that, but under the Bill no capital is taken into account. That is a better position than under National Assistance. Mr. Maddan I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. I was not able to be present because I was in a Select Committee. However, the example I give [column 292]does not destroy the general point that if the Clause were adopted these various disregards would certainly bring into benefit under the Bill people who at present will not benefit. That must be accepted. It is a genuine criticism of the Bill that it defines poverty and the effect is to define it in strictly money terms and not in relation to commitments which people have entered into when they retired and which appeared reasonable to them to enter into. They find their reasonable standards being whittled away and they are unable to do anything about it. For example, one may take a flat or a house and make certain reasonable assumptions and then find one's rates going up but not one's retirement income. People will find themselves between an upper and a nether millstone. The Bill does not do anything in regard to those circumstances. I see the difficulty of doing that in the Bill, but people with £600, £700 or £1,000 income a year who cannot be said to be well-off, will not benefit under the Bill. I hope that, on reflection, the Government will accept the new Clause and at least do something to show they have in mind the reduced, and in many senses sad, circumstances of people who are excluded at present. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter The Parliamentary Secretary must have misunderstood the greater part of the argument addressed to him if he thought it was an answer to this proposition to say that there was power to increase the overall income limits. Whatever speculation one may make on the likelihood or otherwise of that step being taken, it would not meet the point. I think I can explain the point the better, or make another attempt to do so, by putting to the hon. Gentleman the essence of the National Assistance approach. Those who laid down scale rates which together with the supplement to cover rent and rates were thought by the Board in agreement with the Government of the day to be adequate, provided a subsistence level for all concerned. The point of the disregards is that because certain activities are thought to be socially sound and worthy of encouragement, such as the modest amount of work referred to or charitable payments I mentioned, those who can obtain those payments get them over and above the [column 293]National Assistance scale rates plus the rent and rates supplement. If the Parliamentary Secretary grasps that point he will see that no movement of the income scale deals with this point at all. No movement of the income scale can bite on the point that these are activities which it is desired to encourage and which it has been public policy for years to provide and which give to those receiving them something above the level of the generality of recipients of benefit. There is the practical difficulty that if we moved the incomes limit—although naturally the hon. Gentleman could not tell us what it would cost—obviously it would be a very expensive operation. It would not only be difficult for the Government but it would involve, as dismissal of an earlier Clause made clear, an additional charge to local authorities and their ratepayers of a substantial nature which I imagine any Government would hesitate to impose without due consultation. Therefore, it is a very elaborate and expensive instrument for doing what we want to do by this new Clause much more cheaply and with greater precision. It would not do it because it would not provide additional payments for those who should receive additional payment and whom we want to encourage. Secondly, to try to do it would involve increasing the charge on both taxpayer and ratepayer right across the board and therefore it is much less likely to be done. The Parliamentary Secretary came back to the administrative point. He made a good point in respect of applicants for rent rebate who are not at present on National Assistance, but in doing so I think he conceded my case that for those in receipt of National Assistance there is absolutely no difficulty whatever. Their disregard position has already been considered by the Board and it is simply a matter of a letter being sent from the Board's central office. Let us consider the point he made about those not on National Assistance. It seems rather hard to deny a perfectly achievable benefit for those on National Assistance because it cannot be given to those who are not because of the administrative difficulty, but I do not think it is so difficult as the hon. Gentleman asked us to believe. People seeking rebate have not only to give particulars of their income but have [column 294]to give the number of adults in their houses, specify the number of children, and give a great deal of detail about personal circumstances. What is to prevent allowing those people to have a brief note saying what income they need not return, a note which I am quite sure the National Assistance Board could prepare? This difficulty arises only in the case of a person not on National Assistance. The note could say, “You need not include in your return the following:” . When the Parliamentary Secretary puts his weight on the difficulty for local authorities, what about the difficulty for the applicant on National Assistance? In most cases that person understands the rebates. He understands that he does not have to report to the National Assistance Board these disregarded items and that the National Assistance Board, as the term implies, will disregard them. It is very difficult to make that sort of person understand that the local authority will regard them and that it is his duty to report them to the local authority, a duty which if he does not discharge it may expose him to penalties. If this matter is to be regarded on the basis of difficulty, it is fair to consider such alleged difficulty on the part of the local authority which is an expert body with knowledge of administration, and the difficulty for people not equipped with administrative experience but faced with the difficult proposition that they have to declare certain forms of income to the local authority but not to the Assistance Board. Is he not risking very real trouble and difficulty in these cases by persisting in the line which the hon. Gentleman has taken? In his second speech he gave us the result of some consultation he had with municipal treasurers. Mr. MacColl A working party. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter They gave the reply which we would expect, that they would prefer not to do this. According to what the hon. Gentleman said, they did not say that they could not do it. Mr. MacColl I did not raise this point because I did not want to shelter behind local authority officials, but the hon. Lady the Member for Finchley (Mrs. Thatcher) specifically asked that we should have these consultations. I thought it only right to say that we had them and the effect was that the more [column 295]they looked at the matter the more they were worried at the idea of having to do it. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter That, of course, is just as natural as the hon. Gentleman's indication of the reaction of local authorities to the proposal that they should pay a quarter of the cost. He overruled them on that point, which is a substantial one for their ratepayers, but we now have it that they would rather not do this. I understand that the working party were not advising that it could not be done, or that it would break down if it were attempted. Mr. MacColl I do not want to mislead the right hon. Member by underestimating what they said. As he well knows, a body of official advisers rarely tells one that what one wants to do cannot be done, but they did say as strongly as they could that this was something which would be very difficult indeed to work. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter That is very fairly put. I take the hon. Gentleman up when he says that no body of official advisers would tell a Minister that a thing cannot be done. Very large numbers of bodies invited by the Minister of Land and Natural Resources to discussions about the Land Commission will tell him just that, and they will be shown to be right if that Measure ever gets on to the Statute Book. Mr. MacColl That is the right hon. Member's other speech. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter I come back to this subject. The Committee has to weigh against the administrative burden in respect of applicants in receipt of National Assistance the administrative burden on local authorities in the pursuit of social purposes which have caused these disregards to be created, and against the very real risk of an excessive burden on the individuals themselves who may [column 296]be genuinely confused if what one of the bodies helping them treats as a disregard is not treated as a disregard by the other body. Mr. MacColl The right hon. Member is now asking for the complete National Assistance disregards system. What he is saying would contradict the advice of his hon. Friends who think that we could pick out bits of it. Once we picked bits out we would have another value judgment. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter I rather agree with the Parliamentary Secretary on this point. I think my hon. Friends were guilty, if of anything, of trying to be conciliatory and to come to a compromise. Mr. MacColl The right hon. Member would never do that. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter My long experience of the Parliamentary Secretary has shown how fruitless that occupation would be, but I think that, on this argument, intellectually he is right. I do not think we want to create a further system which would be subject to confusion in the mind of the applicant. The hon. Gentleman will appreciate that our Clause deals with the National Assistance disregards as a whole, and it was moved on that basis. On that basis the Committee might feel disposed, perhaps on another occasion, to come to a decision upon it. In any event, I think the Parliamentary Secretary should be given a chance to reflect on this debate. I think he should be given a chance before we come to a decision to see whether he cannot make some move towards proposals which I think he realises are very sincerely put forward and strongly felt. It being One o'clock, The Chairman adjourned the Committee, without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order. Committee adjourned till Tuesday, 15th February, 1966, at half-past Ten o'clock. [column 297-298] The following Members attended the Committee: Thomas , Sir L. (Chairman) Allason , Mr. James Boyd-Carpenter , Mr. Finch, Mr. Goodhart, Mr. Hall-Davis, Mr. Hobden, Mr. MacColl, Mr. Maddan, Mr. Murton, Mr. Oakes, Mr. Rhodes, Mr. Silverman, Mr. Julius Smith, Mr. Dudley Thatcher, Mrs. Wellbeloved, Mr. Whitlock, Mr. Williams, Mr. Alan Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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speech etc sir leslie thomas chair question propose february clause amend stand bill question propose joint parliamentary secretary ministry housing local government mr james maccoll discuss bill hon member hemel hempstead mr allason strong attack clause think unnecessary obscure having read say think good grasp mean give admirable analysis try want challenge account propose clause hon gentleman point clearly reasonable try far possible leave thing local authority treat sensible people want spell meticulous care inordinate length detail particular administrative operation think answer deal area clash right applicant rebate interest local authority point view administrative responsibility desire provide economic administration safeguard interest public purse clash develop applicant authority statutory right give applicant rebate think clear limit operate help indicate distinction immediately clear grant affording clause marginal merit affording rebate column reference grant rebate difference operation apply rebate decide give give range grant rebate problem get rebate grant pocket ratepayer moment ago nice hon member hemel hempstead think add describe broadly different type operation involve get grant pocket ratepayer difficult operation deal somebody pay rate local authority difficulty arise local authority receive rate rent case subtenant rateable occupier case rateable occupier compounding agreement different case get complication general approach private landlord responsible pay rate rating authority pay rebate landlord direct applicant entitle receive clause way hon member hemel hempstead describe outline operation rate pay rebate deduct pay comparatively simple operation difficult rent pay operation afford rebate come look particularly point hon member morecambe lonsdale mr halldavis subsection ask detailed explanation subsection suppose think explain suppose want add say point case split operation take place local authority get rate party way describe afford rebate direct applicant situation person rate payment column get applicant important rating authority know able hold payment rebate position clear hon gentleman ask rating authority find have intensive investigation kind envisage bill think answer party landlord pay rate get money person responsible rate tenant subtenant difficulty let rating authority know fairly forcefully quickly show kind case arise rating authority bring operation balance point want refer refer hon member hemel hempstead hon member oxford mr woodhouse relationship national assistance board rating authority true second reading debate right hon friend say envisage new clause bill deal point true circular quote reference need new clause advice receive complicated operation drafting work exactly cover new clause necessary administrative arrangement national assistance board rating authority point cover advice receive final stage bill situation change intention moment new clause later find new necessary shall shrink bring general lineup position fairly clear number principle involve pressure people national assistance board want pro column con reluctance receive national assistance bill allen report idea number people like go national assistance board deal people eligible national assistance tell national assistance go rebate hand people receive national assistance rebate national assistance allowance pay national assistance rent rebate case people concern rating authority rating authority refer national assistance board board pay national assistance inform rating authority payment present information administrative arrangement work cover point mrs margaret thatcher people local authority apply rebate local authority case ask person concern income come national assistance board hon james maccollgentleman say local authority ask question mr maccoll circular refer model form application question ask machine start way immediately know rating authority refer person concern national assistance board clause agree clause amend order stand bill clause grant rebate mr john boydcarpenter beg amendment page line end insert b national insurance fund establish pursuant national insurance act grant equal quarter aggregate net rebate afford year shall exceed represent product rate penny pound rating authority column think amendment raise probably controversial issue arise bill come question burden pay rebate shall fall early clause discuss agreeable aspect matter relief give hon member side recall disagreement detailed application benefit large body agreement rebate kind welloff ratepayer burden rate heavy sign heavy end month point bill stand great majority ratepayer relief rate increase burden ratepayer underestimate effect bill stand increase rate increase rate add failure right hon gentleman minister redeem partys election pledge time prevent increase general rate burden march consider matter arouse wide body interest outside local authority startling unanimity criticise aspect bill minister deal issue measure speech second reading clear intention quarter burden estimate million year fall general rate think parliamentary secretary correct wrong expenditure attract grant sort fall ratepayer generally right hon gentleman say accord calculation average product rate doubt resource department mathematically correct intend challenge misleading average study social composition country know people stand column benefit rebate spread evenly equally local authority district tend concentrate considerable measure particular area doubt perfectly true product rate involve average country fact remain district good deal considerably early stage fixing rate hear example relevant hon friend member cheltenham mr doddsparker send correspondence local authority local newspaper clear effect clause stand rate cheltenham increase direct result bill information come place tell example london borough wandsworth similarly affect face increase rate result provision right hon gentleman try justify second reading say local authority administer service money stake face unreasonable argument doubt applicability particular case principle make good administrative sense local authority concern real discretion discretion standard entitlement rebate fix nationally parliament motion central government bill anybody income come limit reckonable income provide bill entitle rebate local authority refuse circumstance sense local authority discretion carry cost behalf ratepayer local authority discretion take parliament reason county council association think rightly letter date december bill publish say association say national service pay nationally hon friend table amendment wholly reverse proposal bill gift compromise hope time time simply minister word minister say product rate amendment allow equivalent rate fall local authority ratepayer effect case quote minister average estimate misleading burden area number poor people large burden fall propose charge national insurance fund cause alarm certain circle notice discussion national insurance bill early week minister pension refer believe flutter dovecote believe committee grateful chance decide matter merit rule minister expedient tightlydrafted money resolution go absolutely clear undertaking give parliament early term resolution draft fact amendment committee show possible raise issue great merit charge national insurance fund fund heavily surplus substantial degree need finance provision pessimistic estimate question increase necessary corollary national insurance contribution amendment course design relief poor people find money instead place burden ratepayer well cover column bill find money help people income burden rate heavy submit apart procedural complication cause minister action respect money resolution proper sensible use fund surplus require increase contribution contributor fund know design relief hardship poverty proper use fund present sharply member committee consider amendment decide rightly early clause relief give minister say mean rate bill stand minister plainly wrong area need help heavy average burden place area represent hon member opposite committee people bear leave bill ratepayer include marginally reckonable limit provide bill pay extra rate minister forecast stress general amendment seek completely reverse decision minister burden ratepayer burden limit rate minister argument second reading proposition tolerable burden ratepayer word minister word allow extra fall fund set contribute relief hardship poverty prevent burden fall ratepayer instead ratepayer provide necessary money rebate bad ratepayer sensible proposition way cut main purpose bill provide onerous column finance respect area poor people sorry right hon gentleman go country denounce rate regressive outofdate antiquated system regressive antiquate wipe revaluation matter course substitute know amendment surely appeal say system put extra burden system denounce strictly necessary amendment seek relieve burden doubt parliamentary secretary sit brief mark resist suggest hon member mind merit proposal rate like bad minister say argument put ratepayer base rate right product contention aid favour allow fall harm anybody give relief ratepayer generally poor district allow rate charge national insurance fund amendment seek effect raise issue party principle principle bill practical clearcut issue fair equitable find relief want mr oscar murton listen interest right hon friend member kingstonuponthame mr boydcarpenter put forward cogently forcibly case amendment mention area poor people reside like draw attention class constituency south coast town problem hit particularly hard amendment accept want constituency speech hope shall forgive mention constituency poole column cent national average person age considerably national average domestic ratepayer few national average industrial commercial ratepayer problem strike heart people category qualify rate relief way bill word force contribute assistance minimally bad amendment help considerably rating problem south coast town people particularly live certain bracket mr g f halldavis like hon friend member poole mr murton hesitate constituency speech circumstance amendment bill think fully justify personal knowledge effect rating system speak conviction feel amendment trouble minister proposal place cent burden local authority fall heavily ratepayer present suffer great disability oppression result exist system think automatic rating district great people benefit relief welcome relief enjoy relief proportionately large number people exemption limit authority carry burden particularly grievous people heavily burden borough state add rate come year fact prove underestimate fall people probably face cent increase rate year furthermore deny dearly look forward reassessment hope redress consider column assessment property particularly seaside town people live small income fact demand property hope minister consider amendment carefully say introduce second bill presumably people minimum limit wait bill relief poor compensation defer hope strongly encourage rate high level interval hope minister feel able accept amendment keep view wish diminish regressive effect rate regressive regard individual ratepayer regard district country district afford heavy burden ratepayer mr james allason think generally accept bill average cent increase rate country course case high deliberate increase rate burden excessive year tory misrule rate rise average cent annum average pay domestic ratepayer contrast rise price cent year period clearly rate go fast item represent heavy burden pay present administration different picture whilst price rise average cent year domestic rate rise year cent know second year probably cent course contrast promise early relief domestic ratepayer contain labour party manifesto deliberate intention increase rate pay domestic ratepayer exception cover bill income round year column rate course start relief poor parish move way long relief poor purpose relief poor national responsibility mr julius silverman mr allason wish government proud fact national responsibility stick national responsibility amendment make national responsibility hope shall support hon gentleman colleague amendment mr philip goodhart like hon friend speak come area big proportion domestic ratepayer national average likely severely hit provision set forth clause course system relief taxation people bind exclude right hon friend point great force clarity morning provision clause stand mean burden rate increase substantially vast majority ratepayer poverty level like hon friend member morecambe lonsdale mr halldavis find particularly difficult understand minister go countryside say rating regressive intend bring bill reduce general level rate domestic ratepayer precisely time introduce bill increase general level rate domestic ratepayer salute ingenuity right hon friend divise amendment hope carry morning mitigate considerable extent extra burden likely fall average domestic ratepayer constituency mr dudley smith unlike hon friend come intensely urban area problem uniform spread country column amendment think case well subsidise well probably good politic good logic respect come breaking time matter look carefully particularly matter rate hon friend member morecambe lonsdale finger say large number margin relief feel regressive tax tax severely particularly year large jump rate expect situation wellknown people affect assimilate increase assimilate increase cost live relief position have pay resent think way difficulty allow amendment right hon friend move note interest comment minister speech rate date regressive intend hope support right hon friend think answer doubt answer real way tackle problem local income tax individual allowance thing burden increase whichever party power somebody grasp nettle public incensed opportunity small reform bill welcome side committee limit amendment assist people prepared form sacrifice help low income prepared pay year year increase rate people continually tolerate increase mr julius silverman city birmingham represent scheme rate rebate operation act come column council citizen expense think local authority consequence grateful minister bill present time pay little rebate contribution cent amendment device assist narrow belt people come relief rate suffer certain hardship contribution sympathy go far proposition divest financial responsibility single ratepayer include wealthy ratepayer money come outrageous proposition propose raid national insurance fund fund intend poor distressed section population sick poor old excuse give right hon gentleman plenty money fund surplus like rob blind mans money box plenty time outrageous proposition astonish right hon gentleman effrontery sure resist mr alan williams find difficult accept argument come bench opposite concern question hardship heavy burden create result measure fact perspective accept suggestion go mean increase rate rateable value year increase rate burden divide instalment suggest extra instalment heavy burden mr halldavis emphasise additional burden heavily press slightly different mr williams hon member poole mr murton constituency know fairly column distinctive experience fight predecessor election point constituency excess people age bear mind wealthy area contain canford cliff know millionaire row hard plead poverty rollsroyce mr murton wholly unjustified statement borough poole wealthy undoubtedly area considerable number people well poole acre small worthy citizen live bungalow retire limited income poole perfect example right hon friend attempt achieve amendment mr williams hon gentleman claim poole wealthy borough check record proceeding difficulty find challenge hon gentleman point excess elderly people argument excess arise retirement characteristic area difficult prove point want impressive general public opposition concern group hard press mr dudley smith appreciate point hon gentleman make opposition concern group suffer heavy burden fix income elderly young married try found home small income increase difference mr williams point try respect opposition concern term poor term office poor mr maccoll right hon gentleman begin say local authority unanimously pay column cent challenge moment surprised take view local authority trustee ratepayer money rate fund sure right hon gentleman end negotiating table term office treasury know fight hard maximum exchequer moment question right democracy perfectly entitle odd hon friend member birmingham aston mr julius silverman say local authority grateful course get grateful odd people think argument look reasonable sharing cost exchequer rate fund right hon friend mortify able offer get approval government colleague accept principle cent cent mr boydcarpenter parliamentary secretary say right hon friend mortify able tell committee try chancellor exchequer turn mr maccoll right hon gentleman need spread net sight bird mr boydcarpenter bird walk straight mr maccoll say right hon friend reputation try service responsible certain right hon friend see way provide well grant pleased mr boydcarpenter answer question yes mr maccoll simply leave right hon gentleman reflect experience treasury estimate likely happen circumstance point right hon gentleman reasonable factor desirability local authoritys money involve operation say think unfair argument use satisfied use context certainly important argument think major difficulty stem continuously operation social service relieve poverty right hon friend say make rate effective flexible local tax mean final solution direction local authority provide scheme hardship cause rating system shift poor pocket local authority vitally interested central government exchequer fund operation get ratepayer pay relief poverty extent operation redistribute burden rate people bear reason good case say reasonable distribution financial cost right hon gentleman rebuke tie bill money resolution angry make point put national insurance fund hope amendment carry hon lady member finchley mrs thatcher tell right hon friend minister pension national insurance leave tell happen think sore blow recognise purpose debate odd instrument remember try odd thing land fund column debating point real point ratepayer responsibility rate point wish address right hon gentleman lead grass root rebellion blackpool previous minister overthrow conference firm decision take rating relief publication allen report overthrow sure thing right hon gentleman proud lead decision bill approve conference blackpool happen come true discretionary scheme right hon gentleman say discretionary scheme case have high grant great mandatory scheme happen get treasury distinguished ornament grant fix cent money resolution tie tightly impossible increase cent money resolution look money resolution past particularly respect compare fact similar scheme right hon gentleman say mandatory discretionary reasonable grant high cent government stick go cent substantial grant mr boydcarpenter make grant comparison parliamentary secretary exclude equation provision act general provision area number poor old people increase compensating provision bill mr maccoll head people go number authority get head comparable cost scheme perfectly true scheme go work column cost go great piece whitewashing mean work capitation grant continue fair point hon member particularly hon member morecambe lonsdale mr halldavis raise question people outside scheme say scheme fair reasonable well come increase burden people outside point tapering scheme rigid immediate cliff grant tapering people income outside grant deduction income certain level power statutory instrument vary income limit true right hon friend extremely humble man pretend know mr boydcarpenter parliamentary secretary joke misfire mr maccoll sorry joke right hon friend approach thing knowledge lack information reason lack information lack statistic matter gather government start gather information cost scheme incidence particular people matter guesswork good guess tapering scheme right begin soon alter statutory instrument scheme flexible suggest raise limit subject taper relief get relief range taper come want look point amendment primarily column question fix limit rate secret way reach figure rate want pretend sancity figure financial memorandum bill base largely survey try measure operation cost bill estimate estimate total cost million exchequer grant million leave difference million national rate product million million national rate product true average like think use rate test fair way meet difference difficulty average meet people average take debate satisfied cost great average understandably say district average notice look authority say think cost average authority rate test good test say hon member morecambe lonsdale overassessment profit seaside area lead increase assessment think morecambe overassesse local authority one benefit rate test rate high benefit mr halldavis probably obtuse rate harmful rate rate high low assessment surely press hardly rate mr maccoll estimate rate estimate cost difficult assess accept estimate accurate agree difficult measure argue assistance authority need assistance anchor valuation authority suffer column help area large number owneroccupier fix income new area new house highly assess rate test likely effective committee unwise think rate test problem effective way percentage grant cent substantial grant considerably great previous arrangement great grant deal similar problem reasonable sharing burden consistent right hon friend say regressive outofdate system rate make burdensome regressive exchequer take great share cost mrs thatcher point wish mention main point think james maccollparliamentary secretary address considerable argument moment poor person choice get relief national assistance local authority bill go national assistance entire cost relief fall taxpayer local authority compel person national assistance choose apply rate relief bill case threequarter cost bear taxpayer bill draft rest bear ratepayer wrong ratepayer burden determine person choose benefit national assistance expense taxpayer bill go draft considerable anomaly mr julius silverman apply today rent rebate scheme person national assistance apply rent rebate get ratepayer meet burden instead taxpayer mrs thatcher choice deliberately elect representacolumn particular authority bill concern mandatory power place parliament local authority regardless local authority wish major difference address argument raise hon member birmingham aston mr julius silverman correct wrong think word raid national insurance fund purpose imply help old poverty stricken mr julius silverman yes mrs thatcher result view social security fund old people case minister make speech country dismantle welfare state moment proceed fund equally owner rollsroyce mini carless person solely poverty stricken admit amendment enable ratepayer think hon member fully appreciate intellectual aptness amendment national insurance fund benefit amendment money pay ratepayer course benefit ratepayer benefit exempt additional liability point choose national insurance fund argument unwise moment raise taxis meet amendment right hon friend member kingstonuponthame mr boydcarpenter say fund surplus moment late figure tell refer report government actuary financial provision insurance bill tell year right hon lady margaret herbisonminister gladly tell result amendment pass million require spend financial year find million figure revise government actuary interesting reason apparently people fall sick labour government column conservative government government actuary say paragraph report people fall sick claim national insurance people fall sick claim rate rebate good point national insurance fund rebate member labour party opposition point considerable reserve fund available national insurance say raid like raid reserve fund plenty national insurance fund moment parliamentary secretary aware right hon friend hesitation whatsoever put contribution rate reach october go time present government intellectual point national insurance fund broadly base million contributor raise money far broad base case rating system considerable contribution exchequer enable burden fall ratepayer widely spread contributing taxpaying community reason hope parliamentary secretary reconsider thought amendment agree actual method achieve purpose mr allason wish protest suggestion wicked tory plot benefit rich ratepayer bill government deliberately put extra charge ratepayer come benefit bill poverty object benefit rich ratepayer merely protest unnecessary burden ratepayer outside scheme mr mccoll recognise argument column think method amendment well calculate help area great poverty mr allason address parliamentary secretary hon friend parliamentary secretary honestly say having sort trick past want particular exception source revenue seek switch burden argument seek benefit rich ratepayer similar infuriate treasury argument treasury say prepared money taxpayer fact cease money taxpayer happen present government acquit sign get tax relief government happen past treasury word imply give away let away everybody heavily tax try assess heavy tax protest deliberate increase rate pay vast majority ratepayer mr boydcarpenter hon friend deal effectively joint parliamentary secretary want add word committee prepare come decision want come hon member birmingham aston mr julius silverman gallant hon friend show singularly illinformed attempt raise prejudice particular method finance suggest amendment clearly demonstrate hon gentleman rate pay income group bill try exempt low income group rate national insurance pay income group year small income exemption respect bad people belatedly rating system acquire measure question rob anybodys moneybag column contribution wide impact widely pay income group rate hon gentleman seriously worry flatter suggest need fund suffer policy labour government cut exchequer contribution national insurance fund late mr gaitskell lead way hon gentleman worried fund despite healthy surplus perfectly easy necessary adjustment government up exchequer contribution hope hon gentleman happy want joint parliamentary secretary happy admit agreeable lack caution enliven debate right hon friend attempt high rate contribution cent exchequer chancellor exchequer turn mr maccoll think agreeable extravagance right hon gentleman enliven discussion grossly distort say think say speak blame misunderstand say right hon friend anxious full support service responsible look commitment involve reasonably expect mr boydcarpenter hon gentleman say time mr maccoll record mr boydcarpenter little note box ask hon gentleman look carefully tomorrow report say reply interjection repeat abundantly clear happen confirm attempt riposte say know treasury system work let large furry pussycat bag mr maccoll think large furry pussycat right hon gentleman show bad job treasury wreck bill standard treasury activity understand think happen case fact happen commitment face new government clean mess reasonable contribution tender sensitive spot sensible person like help rate possible session mr boydcarpenter order debate economic mess government create shall happily advantage opportunity hon gentleman know refer prime minister statement november perfectly satisfactory nature position crisis confidence arise week government take office action order refer wrecking measure measure relief give poor ratepayer mention point measure refrain give additional compensate financial aid exchequer authority likely carry additional burden rebate provision hon gentleman want argue think joy come fact hon gentleman plainly admit pathetic attempt row underline quality original gaff right hon friend try cent fail think right hon gentleman credit show joint parliamentary secretary get argue committee cent argue converse right hon friend argue cabinet account poor showing hon gentleman argue know thoroughly bad case column rise comfort hon gentleman committee wisdom put amendment bill hon gentlemans right hon friend able cabinet agreeable anybody modest man like minister tell come fortify fact law indicate hon friend wish know right respect think help joint parliamentary secretary help absent right hon friend bill know right hon friend intend additional burden ratepayer seriousness hon gentleman opposite go face constituency month month special significance know complaint constituent ratepayer go suffer swinge increase rate result government failure direction chance limit modest degree size increase lie hand morning wish step open limit increase opportunity vote amendment answer constituent take advantage chance alleviate measure increase rate burden envy have offer explanation question word insert committee divide aye no division allason james hemel hempstead boydcarpenter rt hn j goodhart philip halldavis g f maddan martin murton oscar smith dudley brntfd chiswick thatcher mrs margaret finch harold bedwellty hobden dennis brighton ktown maccoll james oakes gordon rhode geoffrey silverman julius aston wellbelove james whitlock william williams alan swansea w question propose clause stand bill mr boydcarpenter amendment discuss real issue arise clause government intention impose substantial additional burden ratepayer quote county council association nationally finance national service think committee want ground interesting revelation happen committee practical indication way increase limited suggestion reject obviously hon friend oppose clause oppose put quarter cost local authority naturally opposed put cost local authority absence clause involve column want record year acute difficulty go cause million fellow citizen forthcoming increase rate increase government pledge prevent lamentably fail prevent government bill deliberately add burden ninetenth ratepayer face march let clearly record possibility excuse denial mr maccoll want recapitulate argument right hon gentleman say fact recapitulate say mr boydcarpenter great deal long mr maccoll good argument shortly repeat clause time column relief give poor ratepayer time beginning financial year subject course difficulty cause opposition measure money available overwhelming proportion bear exchequer effective attempt job rate rebate think committee confidently approve clause question agree clause order stand bill noon clause treatment grant rebate purpose c mrs thatcher beg amendment page line leave year end line complex amendment purpose fairly simple understand grant local authority receive rebate bill distribute provide bill section local government act distribute proportion rateable value respective area proportion number people apply receive rebate amendment attempt achieve purpose know enable minister distribute grant accord rateable value accord need particular area vary accord people grant rebate bill mr maccoll operation section local government act normal common form operation distribute grant sort reasonable way weight hon lady say particularly regard parish severely hit right hon friend consider possible find way round difficulty shall mrs thatcher view assurance beg ask leave withdraw amendment amendment leave withdraw clause order stand bill clause order stand bill new clause national assistance disregard reckonable income shall leave account purpose subsection section act resource applicant virtue regulation section national assistance act time force disregard purpose determination need assistance say act mrs thatcher bring read time mrs thatcher beg clause read second time clause concern national assistance disregard attempt provide shall reckonable income purpose bill extent new clause tie discussion amendment sitting james maccollparliamentary secretary aware purpose suitable people help earn little extra money reach eligibility rebate bill point arise national assistance people earn little week increase income deduct receive national assistance rate case provision national assistance act certain amount income disregard amount comparatively small increase amendment week income earn old person plus half war disability pension disregard industrial injury disablement benefit week disregard charitable payment person week disregard amount talk comparatively modest column ask parliamentary secretary apply principle probably figure bill find people benefit hour work week rob rebate bill number benevolent fund difficulty accord say sit income money come include weekly payment benevolent fund certain beneficiary benevolent fund revise schedule beneficiary give debar recipient rate refund think different method benefit recipient withdraw help altogether believe principle good hope parliamentary secretary consider seriously extend relief bill mr halldavis like reinforce difficulty reason apparent later argument disincentive effect bill earning like ask parliamentary secretary consider clause seriously relate aspect bill think apparent go operation little opportunity raise committee hon friend refer disincentive effect national assistance clause like add bill calculate widow child national assistance disincentive go work income rise year equivalent standard rate income tax tax earning week married man child earn year effective rate tax income rise light subject see conjunction measure national assistance withdrawal relief material discolumn people low income particularly draw national insurance benefit go work think appreciate endeavour rule order little example extreme case able find emphasise aspect operation bill parliamentary secretary like estimate report far know touch certain people quickly work certain circumstance go work lose nearly cent earning marked disincentive effect hope hon gentleman accept clause consider wide implication relation aspect bill type benefit particularly continue term national assistance benefit person return employment selfcancelle benefit arise unemployment course effect benefit remain respect disability family circumstance mark deterrent effect take conjunction bill phasing income tax allowance individual mr maccoll recognise importance amendment assure hon lady member finchley mrs thatcher right hon friend consider point great care clear case deploy face plausible reasonable difficulty try apply system disregard rate rebate context bill anomaly liable cause know argument varied case find particularly difficult possible way mention right hon member kingstonuponthame mr boydcarpenter early apply income tax disregard rebate immediately create certain difficulty number disregard case income tax column normally allow clash principle bill example retirement pension take account deal system rebate difficulty see consider case people similar income similar position source income different amount rate pay different extremely difficult situation justify ability pay source income pension allowance disregarded earning different position live retirement pension hon lady turn possibility reasonable basis national assistance difficulty respect partly administrative try ensure local authority administration scheme involve tremendous increase staff highly specialise staff launch assistance board disregard get complication calculate take particular stop adjustment process extremely complicated administer main principle provision consider income person allowance mention adjust income allowance statutory instrument attempt apply elaborate mean test people attempt provide rating relief agree case allow disregard attraction simple removal particular source income agree allow easy go means test difficult know draw line right hon friend feel new clause accept find provision bill hit people low income good way overcome general adjustment income limit pick certain source income eliminate column pm mr boydcarpenter satisfactory helpful reply disagree entirely parliamentary secretary say conclude sentence well simply alter general income level apply national assistance disregard national assistance disregard arbitrarily accident result careful study problem poverty official body knowledge experience subject refer national assistance board good fortune associate work board know officer visit large number home year undoubtedly far practical knowledge social problem poverty body official unofficial country think system disregard develop year board persuade successive minister enact entitle respect parliamentary secretary give think respect crude approach say worry particular provision adjust necessary ignore good sound social reason existence disregard let example disregard respect small weekly sum way charitable payment experience show charitable money likely give people charity concerned know people well get charitable payment charity know official body deduct charitable payment person intend benefit effect make benefit person public authority certain charitable body cut payment good point concern small work earning disregard apart relief money give person earn real social column case rehabilitatory importance people encourage undertake modest work know mean net forfeit rent rebate local authority say level money come good encouragement work remove mistake underrate good sense year accumulate experience problem lie present national assistance disregard hope excuse speak heatedly having see evolve work great pity advantage experience oh say hon gentleman difficult calculate earth prevent local authority national assistance case simply accept certificate local office board disregard apply case person concern suggest local authority undertake separate review matter certificate local office national assistance board suffice perfectly purpose administrative effort write receipt single letter require local authority respect hon gentleman administrative objection nonsense finally say want set elaborate mean test forget fact mean test set hold sure benefit kind rightly administer basis means test right disregard unhappy association word order right simply set elaborate mean test justify set unelaborate brutal unfair certain respect elaboration means test spring desire operate fair local authority call operate technical help heavy column suggest suggest advice seek come body operate test day week hundred thousand case country succeed think general approval side house public opinion course trouble derive think minister mistake go mr justice bronson s definition income ignore adjustment inland revenue successive chancellor exchequer bring income tax system view achieve great measure fairness possible introduce dam point bill think make important try rectify acute case acute case raise new clause shall proceed come conclusion think easy administer impose administrative burden local authority repeat suggestion national assistance board purpose hear early stage close cooperation national assistance board necessary event local authority administer scheme think accept rate deal recipient national assistance close liaison require true minister introduce new clause deal relationship national assistance rent rebate scheme probably pity shall look anxiety circular appear believe circular suggest close possible liaison matter generally assistance board local office local authority circular contain certain sensible local authority advantage experience knowledge case possess local office board heavens parliamentary secretary column stage right hon friend accept certificate assistance board information act read clause entitle parliamentary secretary agree good progress bill day ground grateful cooperation committee hope committee continue press point begin case resist local authority administer perfectly go bill tone parliamentary secretary speech open persuasion hon friend successful appear fail continue press mr allason understand parliamentary secretary correctly say probably problem way solve change income limit power bill wonder forget power refer clause read parliamentary secretary estimate cost raise income limit right hon friend go treasury suggest strong possibility occasion suggest problem arise deal easily way grateful indication additional cost treasury raise income limit treasury indicate perfectly happy event find difficulty fact know find mrs thatcher case little detail parliamentary secretary think obvious case amazed attempt resist amendment point like kind procolumn bill local authority distasteful job applicant go morning week little housework receive little money long eligible rate rebate local authority officer like local authority run work centre old people old people love centre local authority considerable trouble manufacturer supply work kind centre local authority voice urge people work centre provide lay bus old folk earn shilling turn round want rebate rate large number people earn little extra money sake money give interest life position have local authority declare income read new clause conjunction penalty provision clause ask parliamentary secretary remember person earn little money realise prevent get rate rebate person declare local authority render old lady go little baby sit night week local authority declare earn week go baby sit regularly render liable fine withhold material information pm case briefly parliamentary secretary difficult distasteful local authority provision kind accede new clause ask column local authority reconsider poor case attempt difficulty whatsoever operate clause kind ask consider special aspect particular disregard national assistance earning aspect second charitable payment aspect absolutely vital point view ratepayer local authority administer scheme mr halldavis press parliamentary secretary completely negative attitude new clause raise hope refer comment possibility increase income limit well step ask estimate cost calculate inaccurately embrace allen report income bracket increase total cost million want consider value money certainly recommend possibly late stage progress suggest national assistance disregard incorporate clause amendment bill parliamentary secretary feel swallow total examine subject exemption fully appreciate apply great case paragraph second schedule say fail claim maternity allowance prescribed period allow wife forget imagine mr boydcarpenter surely hon friend wife hon friend claim maternity allowance mrs thatcher grant hon friend getting muddle mr halldavis know pitfall claim act hazardous leave last scar fall example type grant lead reduction particularly unfortunate circumstance time rate relief sure cause great resentment complication ask parliamentary secretary feel embrace clause stand cover item set schedule order look substance incorporate clause kind mr maccoll certainly complain tone debate important question conduct impertinence think hon member case effectively time see difficulty deal point raise hon gentleman national assistance certificate course national assistance board national assistance national assistance get rate pay national assistance national assistance disregard presumably apply deal board entirely deal people national assistance go board send disregard assess hon lady ask view local authority matter explore matter representative local authority work party treasurer advise bill see point hon right hon member see come finally view think reasonably advice difficulty great ask hon member hemel hempstead mr allason column income limit point power bill time assess need time scheme work grope dark anybody information people go application level income go feel pinch valuable power able alter time consider experience work mr allason hon gentleman agree bill consent treasury likely question reduction increase mr maccoll sure right hon gentleman treasury take line bill mr julius silverman hon gentleman think succession tory chancellor exchequer mr maccoll remember try housing bill tell normal common form kind expenditure charge sort clear moveable certainly evidence show income limit wrong government wish bill insufficiently flexible amend certainly prepare look point put means deal matter right hon gentleman point coherent system national assistance disregard base long experience speak great authority year ministry limited experience certainly accept national assistance board set system disregard purpose relief poverty workable coherent reason mention think easily apply toto relief ratepayer poor ratepayer normally cover national assistance exceptional people column extent incentive person feel pay fair share eligible national assistance operation disregard inducement look individual disregard point raise hon member morecambe lonsdale mr halldavis hon lady extremely difficult list work sort principle decide one accept one gaff right hon gentleman invent mr boydcarpenter hon gentleman well mr maccoll good want satisfy go precisely exercise go disregard income tax national assistance ask question obviously ought include come conclusion virtually impossible draw kind line attempt create ill feeling sense injustice attempt include speak embarrassment subject maternity grant bind claim national purse day claim maternity grant case somebody include maternity grant mrs thatcher think hon gentleman mean maternity allowance mr maccoll yes maternity allowance good deal feel people child benefit allowance tell go rebate income source pension disablement benefit ablebodie person get maternity allowance include rebate create sort difficulty bad feeling column come position start good way approach regard complicated exercise relief finely grade source income allow vary amount different kind take broad view income come home adjust minimum income necessary make system flexible advise committee accept amendment mr martin maddan apologise involve select committee corridor hear debate new clause accept allow government meet criticism measure second reading criticism bill draw give help poor people use word narrowly define people consider live poor deteriorate circumstance condition rate burden substantially contribute contribute deterioration new clause adopt enable number beneficiary increase little way bracket immediately limit set bill stand help section population find difficult economic end meet mind people save little money retirement go live sort area talk hard hit national assistance provision disregard certain amount saving capital sum pm mr maccoll hon member honest confess listen discussion point bill capital take account well position national assistance mr maddan grateful hon gentleman able present select committee example column destroy general point clause adopt disregard certainly bring benefit bill people present benefit accept genuine criticism bill define poverty effect define strictly money term relation commitment people enter retire appear reasonable enter find reasonable standard whittle away unable example flat house certain reasonable assumption find one rate go one retirement income people find upper nether millstone bill regard circumstance difficulty bill people income year say welloff benefit bill hope reflection government accept new clause mind reduce sense sad circumstance people exclude present mr boydcarpenter parliamentary secretary misunderstood great argument address think answer proposition power increase overall income limit speculation likelihood step take meet point think explain point well attempt put hon gentleman essence national assistance approach lay scale rate supplement cover rent rate think board agreement government day adequate provide subsistence level concern point disregard certain activity think socially sound worthy encouragement modest work refer charitable payment mention obtain payment column assistance scale rate plus rent rate supplement parliamentary secretary grasp point movement income scale deal point movement income scale bite point activity desire encourage public policy year provide receive level generality recipient benefit practical difficulty move income limit naturally hon gentleman tell cost obviously expensive operation difficult government involve dismissal early clause clear additional charge local authority ratepayer substantial nature imagine government hesitate impose consultation elaborate expensive instrument want new clause cheaply great precision provide additional payment receive additional payment want encourage secondly try involve increase charge taxpayer ratepayer right board likely parliamentary secretary come administrative point good point respect applicant rent rebate present national assistance think concede case receipt national assistance absolutely difficulty disregard position consider board simply matter letter send board central office let consider point national assistance hard deny perfectly achievable benefit national assistance give administrative difficulty think difficult hon gentleman ask believe people seek rebate particular income column number adult house specify number child great deal detail personal circumstance prevent allow people brief note say income need return note sure national assistance board prepare difficulty arise case person national assistance note need include return following parliamentary secretary put weight difficulty local authority difficulty applicant national assistance case person understand rebate understand report national assistance board disregarded item national assistance board term imply disregard difficult sort person understand local authority regard duty report local authority duty discharge expose penalty matter regard basis difficulty fair consider alleged difficulty local authority expert body knowledge administration difficulty people equip administrative experience face difficult proposition declare certain form income local authority assistance board risk real trouble difficulty case persist line hon gentleman take second speech give result consultation municipal treasurer mr maccoll work party mr boydcarpenter give reply expect prefer accord hon gentleman say mr maccoll raise point want shelter local authority official hon lady member finchley mrs thatcher specifically ask consultation think right effect column look matter worry idea have mr boydcarpenter course natural hon gentleman indication reaction local authority proposal pay quarter cost overrule point substantial ratepayer understand work party advise break attempt mr maccoll want mislead right hon member underestimate say know body official adviser rarely tell want strongly difficult work mr boydcarpenter fairly hon gentleman say body official adviser tell minister thing large number body invite minister land natural resource discussion land commission tell show right measure get statute book mr maccoll right hon member speech mr boydcarpenter come 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This bill prohibits the inclusion of any COVID-19 vaccine on the child and adolescent immunization schedule (which lists the vaccines recommended by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practice for those populations) unless all clinical data related to the safety and efficacy of the vaccine is published on the website of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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This bill allows opioid treatment programs to admit individuals who have been addicted to opioids for less than one year for maintenance treatment (the use of medications such as methadone in treating opioid addiction). Current regulations generally bar an opioid treatment program from admitting individuals for such treatment unless they have been addicted to opioids for more than one year. The bill requires the Department of Health and Human Services to revise its regulations to allow admission when the duration of an individual's opioid addiction is less than one year.

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Speeches, etc. Mrs. Thatcher, who's been accused of inexperience in Government, said tonight that Mr. Maudling 's wide experience will be of great value—and indeed, he's the heavyweight of her team as far as experience goes—Board of Trade, Colonial Secretary, Chancellor under Macmillan and Home, then Home Secretary—he's done them all. And his politics put him unmistakeably on the party's liberal wing, so his return will recompense those Tories—and there are many—who much regret the going of Mr. Robert Carr—a popular MP who was generally thought to have been a wise Home Secretary—who retires to the backbenches with a kindly enough letter—signed “yours ever, Margaret” and with his memories—but whose future, like that of Mr. Peter Walker—it would certainly be too early to write off. [end p1] Our political correspondent, David Rose, spoke to Mrs Thatcher after she'd announced the members of the Shadow Cabinet, and asked her what she had been trying to achieve by her choice: [end p2] Thatcher Well, we've been trying to get a team based on ability, and on quite a wide spectrum of political opinion, to go ahead. I felt that although I needed a few days to think about it, and to take advice, it would be better if I decided who we should have in the team fairly quickly. Rose Perhaps the appointment which has caused the greatest surprise is that of Mr. Reginald Maudling—why did you decide to bring him back? Thatcher Well, Reginald Maudlinghe's a very experienced politician, you know. I think of all the people in politics I know, he's held more portfolios. He's had some experience of foreign affairs, because he was at one time Colonial Secretary, he's been at the Treasury, he's been at Fuel and Power, he at one time did negotiations with Europe. You don't lightly cast aside that amount of experience, and I felt that he would be ideal to come back as shadow Foreign Secretary, and I was delighted when he accepted. Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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Ep. 1603 - Desperate Biden’s Closing Argument: Vote For Me, Or Democracy Ends Published: 11/3/2022 (in RSS feed: 47m 13s) As Democrats Doomsday Inches closer, Joe Biden issues, his final plea vote for his party or Democracy ends. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Bench Shapiro Show. The Ben Shapiro show is sponsored by Express vpn. I talk about them every single show. Why haven't you gotten a VPN yet? Get express VPN right [email protected] slash panel. Get to all the news in just one moment. First, the Biden administration has taken to Twitter to now assault Shell and ExxonMobil for posting record profits. There are a bunch of other industries they seem to be ignoring even though the prices are going up. That includes big pharma, big tech, big wireless, Verizon, at and t T-Mobile. They post billions in profits every single quarter. The Biden White House is relatively silent about all of that. 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Schedule that free conversation today. See how much Bambi can take off of your plate. Go to bambi.com right now. Type Ben Shapiro under podcast when you sign up. Spelled B A M B E e.com. Bam. B e e.com. bambi.com. Type in Ben Shapiro to get started today. Well, the numbers look really, really bad. For the Democrats in the Senate, it looks very likely that Republicans are gonna pick up at least 52, 53, maybe up to 54 seats. The races that are within margin of error right now include New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada. In those particular races, it looks as though Republicans are likely to pick up Georgia and Nevada at a bare minimum. As far as Arizona, Mark Kelly is running dead. Even with Blake Masters in Pennsylvania, John Federman seems to have dropped behind Dr. Oz and in New Hampshire. John Baldock has made a surprising run to right now lead in many of the polls against Maggie Hassan. There are some other races that are still in spitting distance, distance for the Republicans. That includes Patty Murray's race in Washington state. She could theoretically lose also. Colorado is now within five points where Michael Bennett is running a very close race. You all of this bodes very, very ill for the Democrats and they're freaking out about it as well. They should be the realtor politics. Polling average suggests that Republicans are likely to pick up at least 31 seats. It could be all the way up to 48 seats at this point. If you look at sort of the nature of the wave, I'm predicting closer to 40 seats than to 30 seats at this point, probably 38, 39 seats is not unlikely. Even CNN is recognizing how bad this is for Democrats. You have Harry Anton who is there, elections analysts pointing out that Republicans are gaining with less than a week to go. He says, We're dealing with a deeply dissatisfied electorate, which almost always means the President's party is punished by voters. Take a look at a Gallup poll released at Tuesday. Just 17% of Americans say they were satisfied with the direction the country was going. That is the worst in any midterm since at least 1982 when Gallup first measured satisfaction in a midterm. So that means the worst on record essentially cause the polling data has become a lot more sophisticated since 1982. Importantly, the satisfaction with the direction of the country is highly correlated with midterm outcomes in the House in the midterms, when more Americans are dissatisfied than satisfied with the direction of the country, the party that held the White House has lost an average of 33 seats that jumps to 46 seats in a President's first midterm. If you look at the seat totals, instead, the party holding the White House ends up with 186 seats on average. When more Americans are dissatisfied than satisfied in a President's first midterm, this would be an over 35 seat loss for Democrats in the 2022 midterms. Again, very ugly numbers for the Democrats and they know that it's getting very ugly out there, which is why they are dumping money into a bunch of districts that really should be safe. According to political g o represented, Mike Garcia holds one of the House Republicans most vulnerable districts, but Democrats have barely spent the dime on TV to take him down. The decision, according to those involved is driven by relative lack of resources. As Republican's biggest house superPAC floods the election with hundreds of millions of dollars, their democratic counterparts have lagged far behind. Some members of the California Democratic delegation were alarmed by the decision to leave Garcia's district untouched. They've urged their party's campaign arm in recent weeks not to abandon a seat, Joe Biden won by double digits according to multiple people familiar with the discussions. Similar pleas are coming from Texas, Pennsylvania, and elsewhere. Frustrated Democrats are bemoaning that their parties outside groups are unable or unwilling to vote precious funds toward what they see as winnable seats. The results is a shrinking battlefield for Democrats that have seen leadership and rank and file members like pressuring the rest of their party, including Biden. So pony up more support in a bid to save the House. Majority, they're not gonna save the House majority. There is literally no way they will save the house majority. It's effectively a 100% shot that Republicans take the majority in the House of Representatives. At this point, House Democrats panic according to political, has escalated this month as G o p outside groups continue to smash fundraising records. Despite high candidate fundraising, Democrats have been unable to respond with the same volume of money the party has struggled to free up the resources to attack potentially endangered Republican incumbents a crucial part of their strategy because they need to offset expected losses in more conservative democratic held districts. Democrats currently have just a five seat majority and they're abandoning tough seats in Arizona, Wisconsin, Texas, and Michigan. They're now spending money defending seats in places like California and New York, which is a disaster area for the Democrats. Meanwhile, the polling shows that white suburban women are swinging back toward Republicans for Congress. You'll remember that that is precisely the demographic that President Trump underperformed with. President Trump did very, very well with men. He did very well with rural outlying areas, actually better than expected with minority groups. Where he really failed was was with white suburban women. And so the idea that Republicans without Trump on the ballot would do really well with white suburban women made a lot of sense. Democrats were hoping that that group of women was going to stay in the Democratic camp forever. White suburban women being highly educated and again, living near major urban areas. These women would be in the Democratic camp forever. They weren't in it for more than about five minutes. According to the Wall Street Journal, white suburban women, a key group of midterm voters, have significantly shifted their support from Democrats to Republicans in the closing days of midterm campaigning because of rising concerns over the economy and inflation. The news survey from the Wall Street Journal shows white women living in suburban areas who make up 20% of the elector electorate now favor Republicans for Congress by 15 percentage points. That is a 27 point shift from the Democrats since the journal's August poll. It also suggests the topic of abortion rights has faded in importance. After Democrats saw energy on that issue this summer in the wake of the Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe versus Wade Republican pollster, Tony Fabrisio, who conducted the poll along with Democratic pollster, John Anon said, or talking about a collapse, if you will, in that group on the perceptions of the economy. Nap poll showed 54% of white suburban women think the United States is already in recession. 74% think the economy is headed in the wrong direction. That makes sense. Very often. These are women who are shopping for their families to the grocery store and have to bring home groceries that are costing them significantly more than they would've two years ago. These of the economy among that group were substantially more negative than in the journal's. Most recent prior survey in August, only 43% thought the economy had entered recession. 59% said the economy was headed in the wrong direction. The movement comes as several voter groups are giving Republicans a boost in the final stretch before election day. So again, right now, Democrats are in a world of hurt. They're in serious, serious trouble. And this has led President Biden back to the campaign trail. Now, a lot of Democrats are not real fond of this because the fact is the more people see Joe Biden out there, the less they wanna vote for the Democrats. I talked about yesterday the fact that presidents usually their party and midterm elections get shellacked, but whatever hopes the party has generally do ride on the President being able to stump and, and draw up some sort of support, however, feeble for his own party. The problem is that Joe Biden is so unpopular, no one wants to be seen with him, and every time he speaks, he actually embarrasses both himself and his party. And so people are very upset with him on the Democratic side of the aisle today for having done what he did yesterday. So Joe Biden, in a fit of peak basically decided that he was gonna recapitulate his Independence Hall speech where he declared that half of Americans were super mega ultra duper maga and, and that they were a threat to democracy. He decided that he was going to speak at Washington's Union Station. Apparently they had to clear a homeless encampment in order to make this happen. So the the optics of this one are pretty weak. I remember when Union Station was really kinda a beautiful gem in the heart of Washington DC Now apparently it's been taken over by the homeless since they actually had to clear the place. According to the New York Post, conservatives ripped President Biden's choice of Washington's Union Station as a venue for one of his final preterm speeches to writing it as a ghost town frequented by yelling psychos homeless people and drug addicts. The statute filled marble covered transit hub has fallen on hard times since the onset of Covid 19 in March, 2020 with many stores in the terminal and adjacent shopping mall, shuttering and ever reopening Washington Times national politics. Correspondent Susan Ekio tweeted Wednesday, President Biden plans to deliver in his Tuesday night from Union Station in dc. This one's thriving Shopping center is now practically a ghost town. I took this photo of empty stores on Saturday in August, even Starbucks announced it was closing its location inside Union Station due to rising crime and drug use inside the store. When Starbucks is shutting down stores and one of the busiest transit hubs in the United States, you know that things are really, really bad. And this is exactly where Joe Biden chose to speak, which is bizarre. DC actually cleared the tent city from in front of Union Station. They'd apparently left it there for years on end, but now that Joe Biden was speaking there, it was important to clear it out. So again, none of the optics here work for Joe Biden. Meanwhile, Karine Jean Pierre World's most untalented press secretary was asked whether Joe Biden's speech, which was going to be on the theme of whether democracy was in threat, whether that was really just a democratic get out to vote effort. Because if those two things are the same, if we are just as from an election, which we are, and if Joe Biden is looking at the polls, which he is, and if he sees the incoming red way, which is not gonna be a wave, it's gonna be a tsunami. If he sees that and his final case is we have to save democracy, that naturally implies if you vote for his opponents, then this means that you are a threat to democracy. So shoes asked about they should No, no, no, that's not what he means. He just means that everyone's vote should count. Okay, well if if all that this meant was that everyone's vote should count, then why precisely is Joe Biden giving the speech? What exactly is the purpose of the speech? Obviously it has to do with the campaign obviously has to do, but the timing of the campaign. And so the not particularly subtle message here is vote for me or democracy ends vote for my party, or democracy is a threat. Korean Jean Pierre denied all of that in the least convincing fashion. Thank you. Karine, following up on your comment that there's an alarming number of Republicans who are saying they're not gonna accept election results. Does that mean President Biden thinks it is a threat to democracy if somebody votes Republican? No, that's a, that's a ridiculous question. No. Why is that a ridiculous question? Because American people should have their right to vote for whomever they want. The voting is a sacred right. It is something that the president wants to protect at, at at every turn. And he has done that. He's taken actions to protect the right to vote and, and you see Democrats and Congress also doing the work to protect the right to vote. Okay? So she's overtly denying that this is about getting the Democratic votes out there or getting people to vote for Democrats, which makes the timing super, super weird. Also, when you hear Karine Jean Pierre out there stumping for the idea of that election denial is tantamount to treason, it is important to remember that Korean Jean Pires an election denier. It is amazing that nobody in the press room, aside from Peter Ducey is going to ever ask her this question, but happens to be a fact. April 2nd, 2020 quote, reminder, Brian Kemp stole the gubernatorial election from Georgians and Stacy Abrams. That was like two years ago. And can we stop pretending now that election denial is a phenomenon on only one side of the political al, but that of course is the predicate for everything that Joe Biden was intending on doing. And in the runup to Joe Biden's speech, the Department of Homeland Security secretary, Alejandro Makos was, was trotted out on national TV to talk about political violence and how it was largely being driven by Republican political rhetoric. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandre Myas spoke exclusively with ABC's Pierre Thomas about the current threat environment. How toxic is this Moment and how concerned are you? There are a number of forces that are fueling of violent extremism, ideologies of hate, false narratives, anti-government sentiment, personal grievances. Okay? You may have noticed that when it comes to political violence, this is not one side of the political aisle. Brett Kavanaugh's family was threatened. I know that was wildly downplayed by the media in a way that Paul Pelosi's beating simply was not last night. The g o p New Hampshire Center hopeful, Don Baldock, who as I mentioned before right now appears like he could knock out Maggie Hassan in the Senate. Apparently, according to the New York Post, he dodged a punch from a would be assailant before stepping on stage to debate Senator Maggie Hassan. He was apparently unharmed the individual who attempted to assault the Senate candidate was arrested according to his campaign, and that he's not the only Republican candidate who's been physically attacked during this particular race. Lee Alden was physically attacked on stage by a man carrying what appeared to be a sharp implement, and he fought the guy off and was uninjured, thankfully. So again, if we're living in a climate of political violence, what you would suggest is that that's probably in all sides problem. And perhaps one of the things you would do to bring down the temperature is stop suggesting that your political opposition is literally going to end the republic if you vote for them. But Joe Biden decided to go in a different direction. So last night he goes out and he gives this speech, Joe Biden, he does not have the energy. He is not with it anymore. His, his version of this speech at Independence Hall was different optically, right? He, he was flanked by Marines in the background. He was very militaristic and almost fascistic is very bizarre in terms of the imagery. He had a, a big red, like blood red background. He was very angry, shouty. He was clenching his fists to the sky. This was Grandpa Joe trying to feebly weedle you into voting Democrat. It was very low energy speech. The President didn't seem like he could keep it together for much of the evening. I don't know whether he was physically tired or what the story was, but he just, he did not seem like very enthusiastic about a speech that he himself called instead of doing it in front of a crowd. He did it in kind of a small room. It, it, it felt like a much more minor speech, but this was meant to be, be his closing pitch. So Joe Biden's closing pitch seemed to be Paul Pelosi got hit with Hammer. January six happened. If you don't select me and my party, there will be more Paul Pelosi's getting hit with hammers by apparently crazy nude quasi homeless people who buy into conspiracy theories online, but also wave around L G B T and Black Lives Matter flags. That's gonna happen if you elect Republicans. And also there'll be more January 6th if you elect Republicans or they just won't count your vote at all. It'll be like Stalin, they'll take all your ballots and we'll throw them in the river. This was Joe Biden's closing pitch. He started off, of course, by mentioning the Paul Pelosi attack, which again, the opportunism, the political opportunism here is pretty stunning. Democrats have a habit of doing this sort of thing. After Gabby Giffords was shot, Barack Obama flew to Arizona where he gave an anti-gun rally. After Paul Wellstone died in a plane crash, Democrats basically held a giant political rally ripping on Republicans. You, you don't tend to see this sort of stuff as much from Republicans. This particular kind of opportunism after Steve s Scalise was shot. You didn't get Republicans on mass doing big rallies talking about how democratic rhetoric had led to Steve Schoolies getting shot. You just didn't see that. It, it, it's not, it seems almost entirely located on one side of the political aisle, maybe because democrats actually believe that their opponents are evil, whereas Republicans tend to believe that their opponents are wrong or did until very recently. Maybe this will change in the near future, maybe because both sides now see their opponents as evil rather than wrong. You'll see more of the, somebody on my side got attacked. It must be the evil people on the other side who are, who are to blame more broadly speaking. But Joe Biden certainly did that routine. So he got out there and opportunistically used the beating of Paul Pelosi as an excuse for why you must vote for his party in the upcoming elections. Just a few days ago, a little before 2:30 AM in the morning, a man smashed the back windows and broke into the home of the Speaker of the House of Representatives, the third highest ranking official in America. All this happened after the assault and it just, I, I hard to even say, it's hard to even say after the assailant entered the home asking, Where's Nancy? Where's Nancy? Those are the very same words used by the mob when they storm the United States capital on January the sixth when they broke windows. Okay? Again, first of all, Joe Biden not with us any longer. I know there is teleprompter failed right there, and he was stalling for time what that was. But this is the narrative man hits to Nancy Pelosi with hammer, same thing as January 6th. Same thing as Trump voters. Same thing as anyone who would vote Republicans in 2022, even though Trump is not on the ballot and all of these things are just connected by equal signs. It's, it's all the transitive property. That's all. Okay. Then he, he continued to suggest along these lines that what happened on January 6th was the result of the quote unquote big lie. And he says that that big lie is responsible for the rise in political violence and voter intimidation. And we'll, we'll, we'll analyze this particular claim in just one second. It was an enraged mob that had been whipped up into a frenzy by a president repeating over and over again the big lie that the election of 2020 had been stolen. It's a lie that fueled the dangerous rise in political violence and voter intimidation over the past two years. Now, I I noticed that the dangerous rise in voter intimidation and political violence started well before the last two years. It actually started in 2020, not at the beginning of 2021. I seem to remember the most damaging riots in American history egged on by a media that pretended these riots as fiery, but mostly peaceful and a and a group of Democrats who literally attempted to bail out the rioters as in Kamala Harris and promoted the bigger lie. You know what I'm talking about? The big lie, Okay, first of all, I don't like the big lie language because again, the big lie language is a Hitler reference, is a reference to the idea that the Jews are responsible for all the world's ills, right? That is what the big lie was when it came to the Nazi regime making that equivalent to, I don't believe that Donald Trump actually lost the election is really kind of perverse. I I don't like the hijacking of Holocaust language generally for use in politics. You see this all the time now, and it is a mark of a polarized and ugly politics. People will call people deniers, right? The, the, the phrase, the word denier comes up a lot. Our climate denier, okay? That obviously is language borrowed from Holocaust denial, denying the change and impact on the climate of human activity to the extent that the I P C C says is nowhere near the same thing as saying the Holocaust did not occur, and suggesting that Donald Trump didn't lose the last election is not the equivalent of suggesting that the Jews are responsible for the German loss in World War I and therefore ought to be genocided, which was the actual big lie. Now, like this is, it is kind of amazing that we've sort of just normalized that in a time when he's talking about the polarization of political rhetoric and then he uses this kind of language. Okay? Fair enough. But more than that, this idea that political violence only cropped up since January 6th, 2021, ignores the fact that I, I remember being curfewed in my house in Los Angeles, so writers could go loot the Foot Locker like four blocks away. I remember that happening. I am more than two years old as it turns out. 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Okay, well, Bolsonaro said that he'll transition away from office because actually he's relying on democracy to bring him back into power banking on the fact that Lula will likely fail. It seems as though the left internationally and domestically has used threat to democracy as the all-purpose catchphrase for why you should vote for them. When their policies suck, they say the the only reason to vote for us, you can't vote for us based on our policies. Cause our policies run directly contrary to what you would like from your politicians. High inflation, something for higher taxes, deficit spending, social radicalism, foreign policy, surrender. These are all bad policies, but if you don't vote for us, democracy will end, which by the way is kind of anti-democratic. If the idea is that the final bumper slogan pitch here is vote for me, or democracy is over, that doesn't sound super democratic and that that sounds a little bit tyrannical. It's basically asking for one party rule because if you vote for the other party, democracy will end, which doesn't sound super like you, like democracy all that much. And here is Joe Biden trying to, trying to cram this giant weird democratic policy foot into Cinderella's glass slipper. My fellow Americans were facing a defining moment, an inflection point. We must with one overwhelming unified voice, speak as a country and say there's no place, no place for voter intimidation or political violence in America. Whether it's directed at Democrats or Republicans. No place period. No place ever. So I have a question. Who exactly in mainstream political American thought is saying that there is a place for voter intimidation in political violence? Who, who's actually, who's saying that? Can you point to a single politician right now in America who is claiming that voter intimidation and political violence are a good thing? And if he is, could he name them? That seems like that would be a better strategy than going out there. Broad spectrum and just laying out there that there's a shadowy cabal of people who love political violence and those people, you know who they are, wink, wink. It's all the Republicans, you know, who they, If he actually doesn't like a particular candidate and he thinks that that candidate is in favor of political violence, shouldn't he name that person and shouldn't he connect that person more closely to, you know, Nancy Pelosi's husband getting hit in the head with, with a hammer? That guy's not running for office. The guy who hit Nancy Pelosi's husband in the head with a hammer. That guy's gonna jail. So who exactly is he talking about? He never really gets right down to it because in the end, his only pitch is, you need to vote for me because I am democracy. In the same way that Anthony Fauci was, I am the science, Joe Biden is now I am democracy. He continues along these lines. He says that there's a lot at stake in these midterm elections, but you should ignore all of that stuff because the only thing that matters is that if you don't vote for me, the fascist will march in with their jack boots. Speaker McCarthy, Kevin McCarthy, one of the least prepossessing human beings on planet earth. He's going to march in with the jack boots in black uniform and he is going to storms in rostrum and he's going to tick over. I, I'm, I'm, no, I mean, the answer is no. I know there's a lot at stake in these midterm elections from our economy. The safety of our streets to our personal freedoms, the future of healthcare, social security, Medicare, it's all important, but we'll have our differences. We'll have our difference of opinion, and that's what it's supposed to be. But there's something else at stake. Democracy itself, I'm not the only one who sees it. Recent polls have shown that overwhelming majority of Americans believe our democracy at is at risk, that our democracy is under threat. They too see that democracy is on the ballot this year And talk about hijacking polls right here. What the polls actually show is that a huge number of Americans believe democracy at risk, and they're split half half as to which party they support. A lot of Republicans believe that democracy is at risk because the president of the United States is irrigating unconstitutional power to himself unilaterally clearing that he can use OSHA to cram down vs. Mandates unilaterally declaring that he can relieve $500 billion minimum in student loan debt unilaterally declaring that transing of the children is now a federal priority. A lot of people feel that democracy is at risk, that the the voter procedures that Joe Biden has party would like to put into place. Endless early voting ballot harvesting by politically motivated groups that that makes our voting less secure. A lot of people on the right are worried about democracy being at risk for very different reasons than Joe Biden is talking about, but he's trying to now grab that entire stat and say, Well, you know, if a huge number of Americans believe that the democracy, they're all for me secretly, they're all for no, no, sir, they are not. They are not. Also, you'll notice that here he says, there are a lot of issues at stake in the selection, and you know how many times he mentioned the word inflation? That would be zero times during this speech. The number one issue for Americans is inflation. The second issue is jobs in the economy. He mentioned these things at length. Zero times he mentioned them. Only in passing to dismiss them is election issues. The only thing you should be worried about is voting for him, because if you don't vote for him, then orange Hitler is gonna come back. Continue along these lines, President Biden. So today I appeal to all Americans regardless of party. To meet this moment of national and generational importance. We must vote knowing what's at stake and not just the policy of the moment, but institutions that have fell us together as we sought a more perfect union are also at stake. Ah, it's not the policy of the moment, by the way, that's code four. Don't judge me based on what I've actually done as president. Judge me based on the other guys are Hitler. Those people are terrible. So Josh Barrow, who's not a member of the right, I would say he's kinda a center left figure. Josh Barrow person with whom I frequently disagree has a good piece on this. He says, The problem with pro-democracy rhetoric, he says the message makes no sense on his face. When Democrats talk about democracy, they're talking about the importance of institutions that ensure the voters get a say among multiple choices, and when they most prefer gets to rule. They're also saying voters do not get to do that in the selection. The message is, there is only one party contesting this selection that is committed to democracy, the Democrats and therefore only one real choice available. This amounts to telling voters they have already lost their democracy. This happens to be correct, okay? Again, it is also true that democrats who supposedly see the deep threat to democracy, they spent most of 2022 trying to nominate the most ultra maga super dupa, maga, pooper, scooper, maga Republicans. They could in nominating contests by spending in primaries. It was Democrats who were spending in order to get Don Balick nominated in New Hampshire. It was Democrats who were spending in order to get Doug MAs nominated for the governor's spot in Pennsylvania. If they really fear that this is a threat's democracy, is that what you do? If you really fear Hitler's on the other side, you give to his campaign? Is that what you do? Or is this all fiction? But again, Joe Biden has to keep doubling down and umbling down and umbling down, and it, it does not ring true. It, it seems dishonest. And coming from, again, a person who has spent his presidency centralizing power in himself, in defiance of institutions, ripping on the Supreme Court, treating their decisions as though they're illegitimate, suggesting that the checks and balances of government are in and of themselves bad using the bureaucracy in order to foist upon the American people, unconstitutional and invasive policies. This guy's gonna lecture us about the workings of institutions and democracy. And yet that, I guess that's the pitch. The issue couldn't be clear in my view. We, the people must decide whether we'll have fair and free elections and every vote counts. We, the people must decide whether we're gonna sustain a republic where reality is accepted, the law is obeyed, and your vote is truly sacred. We, the people must decide whether the rule of law will prevail, whether will allow the dark forces to thirst that thirst for power or put ahead of the principles that we've long guided us. Oh man, blowing the punchline right there. Th and th and thirst and thirst and Howell for power, right? Again, the sort of dark forces versus the light. Barack Obama could, could do credibly light bringer routine. I thought it was cynical and ridiculous at the time, but at least Barack Obama was a talented politician who had a gift for soaring oratory. Seeing this feal, elderly man lecture us about lightness and darkness as though he is Moses on the mound is pretty insulting. And again, when we talk about people who are thirsting for power, you are the president of the United States. You now say that you wish to run for reelection, which will leave you 86 at the time of your end of term. We're supposed to believe that you are, but a humble servant of the people, that your party is not thirsting for power at every level. That's the pitch. He continues along this, these lines. He talks about the two 20 election, which I didn't realize was actually an election, The election of two 20 for one of the Roman emperors, presumably. Here we go. The great irony about the two 20 election is that it's the most attacked election in our history, and yet, and yet there's no election in our history that we can be more certain of its results. Every legal challenge that could have been brought was brought. Well, I don't know who won the two 20 election. I, my, my my understanding was that it was a guy named Ala GABAs in, in the Roman Empire, the election, the famous election of two 20, when he says that it was the, the most secure election. Every legal challenge that could have been brought was brought. It's true that a lot of legal challenges were brought, but people who I, I think are more credibly afraid of the 2020 election results are afraid of is not really the idea that there were giant boxes of fake ballots that were brought in and processed, and they're not really afraid that there were giant boxes that were just tossed in the river. I think most people who are afraid of election 2 20, 2 20 as, as Joe Biden puts in, most of those people are, are mostly afraid of the fact that there was endless early voting, endless mail-in voting ballot harvesting in a lot of states, and that all of this undermines the credibility of the elections. Put aside the fact that the media put their thumb on the scale by literally shutting down a major story one month before the election and spending the entirety of the election, ignoring the fact that Joe Biden was the other candidate. Every word printed during 2020 was Trump. Joe Biden basically sat in his basement and won the presidency. But if you, if you have any of those doubts, then this means that you're an extreme mega Magoo maga and, and he, he trots that line out. Again, I don't know, he, he seems to think he's a branding genius. Now, there there was a president who was a branding genius. That was Donald Trump. Donald Trump was great at branding. There are a lot of things I criticized Donald Trump for Failure of branding was not one. This is the thing he did best. Joe Biden's branding, everything he does is like new Coke. Every attempt to brand his opposition is just a giant fail. So here we go again with extreme maga the magma. Yet now extreme MAGA Republicans aim to question not only the legitimacy of past elections, but elections being held now and into the future. The extreme MAGA element of Republican party, which is a minority, that party, as I said earlier, but as this driving force is trying to succeed where they failed in 2020 to suppress the right of voters and subvert the electoral system itself. So I have a question. The beginning of that paragraph is very different from the end. So the beginning of that paragraph is extreme Mugga mag, Super ultra Duer, maga. But those people are questioning not only legitimacy of past elections, but future elections. And then the last part of that paragraph is, if Republicans win, you'll have no reason to believe they actually won ever again in the future. He's the one who's actually questioning future election results. He's the one who's questioning whether there will ever be a legit election again, he talked in the speech multiple times about voter suppression. There is no evidence of voter suppression in the United States. It is not a thing. There is significantly less evidence of voter suppression than there is a voter fraud. And there ain't much evidence of voter fraud in the United States. And yet Joe Biden has made that his stock in trade. If, if this election goes forward, no one in America will ever sleep secure in the knowledge that an election was legitimate. Again, because if the Republicans win in this election, he says, and they will suppress the right of voters and they will subvert the electoral system. Well, aren't you doubting this election and future elections, Mr. President? Isn't it you who is undermining democracy with that doubt? Shouldn't you have a little more faith in the systems and institutions? You say that you prize so much. We'll get some more on this in just a second. Well, it's been a big week at Daily Wire Plus, not because Democrats are going to get chill in the midterms only, but because we've also got tons of brand new must see content, we are bringing out amazing new stuff pretty much every day. Starting with episode two of Jordan Peterson's new three part series on marriage during a Steak on marriage is fascinating. It's worth the watch, It's worth the listen. 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And I wanna be very clear, this is not about me, it's about all of us. It's about what makes America, America. It's about the durability of our democracy. Whenever a politician says, It's not about me, it's about him. He just a quick hint word the wise, when he cite stats, like there are 300 elections in Iers, and here is my list. I think it's important to actually break that down a little bit. So 5 38, I assume, is the source that he's using for this particular contention. And the, the idea here is that you are an elections in I of some sort. If you have no comment on the election of 2020, for example, or if you express doubts about the election of 2020, not based on voter fraud, but based on any other notion of of skewing or rigging of, for example, the informational inputs from social media. 5 38 did an entire kind of breakdown here that hit outta 500 fifties, who total Republican nominees running for office. We found 199 who fully denied the legitimacy of the 2020 election. These candidates either, but there's a further breakdown. These candidates either clearly stated the election was stolen from Trump, which again, you sort of have to determine what stolen from Trump means in this context, right? If you think stolen from Trump means that there was full electoral fraud and that ballots were being shipped in in the dark of night, and that the, the poll workers were stopped and new ballots were, that would be like the election was fully stolen. But then there are people who say the election was stolen because the media were involved in, in essentially rigging the public discourse. Corporations were involved in rigging the public discourse. I actually kind of think that, but that is not the same thing as saying that the election, that that Biden didn't win the election because he did win the election. Technically, he won the vote, he won the electoral college end of story. But this breakdown from 5 38 doesn't take that into account in that vague language or people who took legal action to overturn the results, which I assume would mean people who filed the lawsuits originally, which is a perfectly legal expression of how you challenge election results. And then those lawsuits were thrown out, right? So that that is, that that is the biggest cadre apparently of the election in deniers. They said that there were 61 candidates who raised questions around the results of the 2020 election. And by this standard, by the way, a huge majority of Democrats, I would assume after 2016 would be counted election and deniers. There are either people who thought that Trump had stolen the election using that broad language again, or raised questions around the results of the 2016 election that was mainstream democratic discourse. And then they counted 122 candidates whose position on the 2020 election. We could not determine. They either had no comments or they avoided answering When, when asked directly, and they say there were 77 who fully accepted the results. 93 accepted with reservations. Well, these are very vague categories, but according to to Joe Biden, more than half of all Republican candidates are full on threats to election integrity in the United States. And this is what it comes down to for Joe Biden, again, vote for my opponents and threaten democracy or vote for me and get crap policy, but democracy will be preserved forever more. And then you got into some romantic talk about democracy and autocracy. And again, the irony is quite thick here. Here is Joe Biden. Democracy means the rule of the people, not the rule of monarchs or the monied, but the rule of the people. Autocracy is the opposite of democracy. It means the rule of one, one person, one interest, one ideology, one party. What we're doing now is gonna determine whether democracy will long endure. Well, I, I mean I, I noticed that when we're talking about the rule of one interest, one ideology in one party when you castigate the entire other party or the driving force behind the other party, as he said, he said, the driving force behind the, when you castigate them as threats to democracy, it seems as though what you are seeking is one interest, one ideology, one party, and one person considering that you'd like to rest authority from the legislative and judicial branches of government. If we're talking about threats to democracy and the rise of autocracy, as I've discussed before, centralization of mass power in one dude at the head of the executive branch might be a bit of a problem. So this, this shtick is incredibly cynical, but you know, President Biden is a particularly cynical person. Now, he did warn that we don't know how many states are, we know many states are not gonna start counting until after the polls closed and that we might not know the winner until a few days later. And it takes time to count. It's important for citizens to be patient and all the rest of this stuff is how it's supposed to work. That's all fair and that's all decent. And I said this after the 2020 election, right? There was a lot of talk the evening of the 2020 election. Donald Trump in the early returns was winning a lot of these states and then he declared himself Victor before all the votes were in. I said, He can't do that. You have to wait until all the votes were in. That is is true. However, what is not true is what Joe Biden would then go on to say, which is that the assault on democracy is ongoing. We are living on razor's edge. And again, if you vote for my opponents, he just keeps beating this horse. If you vote for my opponents, democracy will end. Here's clip 13. I wish, I wish I could say the assault on a democracy ended that day, but I cannot. As I stand here today, there are candidates running for every level of office in America for Governor Congress, Attorney General, Secretary of State who won't commit. They will not commit to accepting the results of elections that they're running in this a path to chaos in America. It's unprecedented, it's unlawful, and it's unAmerican. I've said before, you can't love your country. Only when you win By polling data. By the way, Democrats generally like their country a lot more when they win. Republicans have been very consistent in polling data going back decades, that whether Democrats win, whether the Republicans win, they're very patriotic. Democrats are only patriotic when Barack Obama is president or Joe Biden is president. When Trump is president, their patriotism drops by double digits as far as the notion that you have to commit to the integrity of the election beforehand. Okay, fine, I'd like to hear all the Democrats do that for this election, for the next election, for future elections. Also, how about a bipartisan commitment that we trust that the results of future elections will be decent and that they will be clean. I'm not hearing a lot of Democrats doing that. I'm not hearing Joe Biden doing that in this speech. Again, he keeps saying, If Republicans win, we may never have another clean election. You don't get to do. You're sowing chaos by doubting the results of elections. And at the same time, say, if the other guys win, I'm going to doubt all future elections. It doesn't work that way. Alright guys, the rest of the show is continuing Now, you're not gonna wanna miss it. We're gonna get into the latest Federal Reserve interest rate hike. We'll also get into Vice President Harris, being Vice President Harris and the pre criminations against Joe Biden begin. If you're not a member, click the link in the description and join us.

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file member like pressure rest party include biden pony support bid save house majority go to save house majority literally way save house majority effectively shot republicans majority house representative point house democrats panic accord political escalate month g o p outside group continue smash fundraising record despite high candidate fundraising democrat unable respond volume money party struggle free resource attack potentially endanger republican incumbent crucial strategy need offset expect loss conservative democratic hold district democrats currently seat majority abandon tough seat arizona wisconsin texas michigan spend money defend seat place like california new york disaster area democrats polling show white suburban woman swinge republicans congress ll remember precisely demographic president trump underperformed president trump man rural outlying area actually well expect minority group fail white suburban woman idea republican trump ballot white suburban woman lot 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negative journal recent prior survey august think economy enter recession say economy head wrong direction movement come voter group give republican boost final stretch election day right democrats world hurt trouble lead president biden campaign trail lot democrat real fond fact people joe biden wanna vote democrats talk yesterday fact president usually party midterm election shellac hope party generally ride president able stump draw sort support feeble party problem joe biden unpopular want see time speak actually embarrass party people upset democratic aisle today having yesterday joe biden fit peak basically decide go to recapitulate independence hall speech declare half americans super mega ultra duper maga threat democracy decide go speak washington union station apparently clear homeless encampment order happen optic pretty weak remember union station kinda beautiful gem heart washington dc apparently take homeless actually clear place accord new york post conservative rip president biden choice washington union station venue final preterm speech write ghost town frequent yell psychos homeless people drug addict statute fill marble cover transit hub fall hard time onset covid march store terminal adjacent shopping mall shuttering reopen washington times national politic correspondent susan ekio tweet wednesday president biden plan deliver tuesday night union station dc one thrive shopping center practically ghost town take photo store saturday august starbuck announce close location inside union station rise crime drug use inside store starbuck shut store busy transit hub united states know thing bad exactly joe biden choose speak bizarre dc actually clear tent city union station d apparently leave year end joe biden speak important clear optic work joe biden karine jean pierre world untalente press secretary ask joe biden speech go theme democracy threat democratic vote effort thing election joe biden look poll see incoming red way go to wave go to tsunami see final case save democracy naturally imply vote opponent mean threat democracy shoe ask s mean mean everyone vote count okay mean everyone vote count precisely joe biden give speech exactly purpose speech obviously campaign obviously timing campaign particularly subtle message vote democracy end vote party democracy threat korean jean pierre deny convincing fashion thank karine follow comment s alarming number republican say go to accept election result mean president biden think threat democracy somebody vote republican s s ridiculous question ridiculous question american people right vote whomever want voting sacred right president want protect turn s take action protect right vote democrats congress work protect right vote okay s overtly deny get democratic vote get people vote democrats make timing sup super weird hear karine jean pierre stump idea election denial tantamount treason important remember korean jean pire election deni amazing press room aside peter ducey go ask question happen fact april quote reminder brian kemp steal gubernatorial election georgian stacy abram like year ago stop pretend election denial phenomenon political al course predicate joe biden intend runup joe bidens speech department homeland security secretary alejandro makos trot national tv talk political violence largely drive republican political rhetoric homeland security secretary alejandre myas speak exclusively abcs pierre thomas current threat environment toxic moment concerned number force fuel violent extremism ideology hate false narrative antigovernment sentiment personal grievance okay notice come political violence political aisle brett kavanaughs family threaten know wildly downplay medium way paul pelosis beating simply night g o p new hampshire center hopeful don baldock mention right appear like knock maggie hassan senate apparently accord new york post dodge punch assailant step stage debate senator maggie hassan apparently unharmed individual attempt assault senate candidate arrest accord campaign s republican candidate s physically attack particular race lee alden physically attack stage man carry appear sharp implement fight guy uninjure thankfully live climate political violence suggest s probably side problem thing bring temperature stop suggest political opposition literally go end republic vote joe biden decide different direction night go give speech joe biden energy anymore version speech independence hall different optically right flank marine background militaristic fascistic bizarre term imagery big red like blood red background angry shouty clench fist sky grandpa joe try feebly weedle vote democrat low energy speech president not like evening not know physically tired story like enthusiastic speech call instead crowd kind small room feel like minor speech mean closing pitch joe bidens closing pitch paul pelosi get hit hammer january happen not select party paul pelosis getting hit hammer apparently crazy nude quasi homeless people buy conspiracy theory online wave l g b t black life matter flag s go to happen elect republicans ll january elect republicans will not count vote ll like stalin ll ballot throw river joe biden closing pitch start course mention paul pelosi attack opportunism political opportunism pretty stunning democrat habit sort thing gabby gifford shoot barack obama fly arizona give antigun rally paul wellstone die plane crash democrats basically hold giant political rally rip republicans not tend sort stuff republicans particular kind opportunism steve s scalise shoot not republican mass big rally talk democratic rhetoric lead steve schoolie getting shoot not entirely locate political aisle maybe democrat actually believe opponent evil republicans tend believe opponent wrong recently maybe change near future maybe side opponent evil wrong ll somebody get attack evil people blame broadly speak joe biden certainly routine get opportunistically beating paul pelosi excuse vote party upcoming election day ago little morning man smash window break home speaker house representative highest ranking official america happen assault hard hard assailant enter home ask s nancy s nancy word mob storm united states capital january sixth break window okay joe biden long know teleprompter fail right stall time narrative man hit nancy pelosi hammer thing january thing trump voter thing vote republican trump ballot thing connect equal sign transitive property s okay continue suggest line happen january result quote unquote big lie say big lie responsible rise political violence voter intimidation analyze particular claim second enraged mob whip frenzy president repeat big lie election steal lie fuel dangerous rise political violence voter intimidation past year notice dangerous rise voter intimidation political violence start year actually start beginning remember damaging riot american history egg medium pretend riot fiery peaceful group democrats literally attempt bail rioter 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bolsonaro say hell transition away office actually s rely democracy bring power banking fact lula likely fail left internationally domestically threat democracy allpurpose catchphrase vote policy suck reason vote not vote base policy cause policy run directly contrary like politician high inflation high taxis deficit spend social radicalism foreign policy surrender bad policy not vote democracy end way kind antidemocratic idea final bumper slogan pitch vote democracy not sound super democratic sound little bit tyrannical basically ask party rule vote party democracy end not sound super like like democracy joe biden try try cram giant weird democratic policy foot cinderellas glass slipper fellow americans face defining moment inflection point overwhelming unified voice speak country s place place voter intimidation political violence america direct democrat republicans place period place question exactly mainstream political american thought say place voter intimidation political violence s actually s say point single politician right america claim voter intimidation political violence good thing like well strategy go broad spectrum lay s shadowy cabal people love political violence people know wink wink republicans know actually not like particular candidate think candidate favor political violence not person not connect person closely know nancy pelosis husband getting hit head hammer guy run office guy hit nancy pelosis husband head hammer guy go to jail exactly talk get right end pitch need vote democracy way anthony fauci science joe biden democracy continue line say s lot stake midterm election ignore stuff thing matter not vote fascist march jack boot speaker mccarthy kevin mccarthy prepossess human being planet earth s go march jack boot black uniform go storm rostrum s go tick m m mean answer know s lot stake midterm election economy safety street personal freedom future healthcare social security medicare important difference difference opinion s suppose s stake democracy m see recent poll show overwhelming majority americans believe democracy risk democracy threat democracy ballot year talk hijacking poll right poll actually huge number americans believe democracy risk split half half party support lot republicans believe democracy risk president united states irrigate unconstitutional power unilaterally clear use osha cram vs mandate unilaterally declare relieve billion minimum student loan debt unilaterally declare transing child federal priority lot people feel democracy risk voter procedure joe biden party like place endless early voting ballot harvesting politically motivated group make voting secure lot people right worried democracy risk different reason joe biden talk s try grab entire stat know huge number americans believe democracy secretly sir ll notice say lot issue stake selection know time mention word inflation zero time speech number issue americans inflation second issue job economy mention thing length zero 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nominate new hampshire democrats spend order doug mas nominate governor spot pennsylvania fear threat democracy fear hitler campaign fiction joe biden double umble umble ring true dishonest come person spend presidency centralize power defiance institution rip supreme court treat decision illegitimate suggest check balance government bad bureaucracy order foist american people unconstitutional invasive policy guy go to lecture working institution democracy guess s pitch issue not clear view people decide fair free election vote count people decide go to sustain republic reality accept law obey vote truly sacred people decide rule law prevail allow dark force thirst thirst power ahead principle ve long guide oh man blow punchline right th th thirst thirst howell power right sort dark force versus light barack obama credibly light bringer routine think cynical ridiculous time barack obama talented politician gift soar oratory see feal elderly man lecture lightness darkness moses mound pretty insulting talk people thirst power president united states wish run reelection leave time end term suppose believe humble servant people party thirst power level s pitch continue line talk election not realize actually election election roman emperor presumably great irony election attack election history s election history certain result legal challenge bring bring not know win election understanding guy name ala gabas roman empire election famous election say secure election legal challenge bring bring true lot legal challenge bring people think credibly afraid election result afraid idea giant box fake ballot bring process afraid giant box toss river think people afraid election joe biden put people afraid fact endless early vote endless mailin voting ballot harvesting lot state undermine credibility election aside fact medium thumb scale literally shut major story month election spend entirety election ignore fact joe biden candidate word print trump joe biden basically sit basement win presidency doubt mean extreme mega magoo maga trot line not know think s branding genius president branding genius donald trump donald trump great branding lot thing criticize donald trump failure branding thing good joe biden brand like new coke attempt brand opposition giant fail extreme maga magma extreme maga republicans aim question legitimacy past election election hold future extreme maga element republican party minority party say early drive force try succeed fail suppress right voter subvert electoral system question beginning paragraph different end beginning paragraph extreme mugga mag super ultra duer maga people question legitimacy past election future election paragraph republicans win ll reason believe actually win future s s actually question future election result s s question legit election talk speech multiple time voter suppression evidence voter suppression united states thing significantly evidence voter suppression voter fraud be not evidence voter fraud united states joe biden stock trade election go forward america sleep secure knowledge election legitimate republicans win election say suppress right voter subvert electoral system not doubt election future election mr president not undermine democracy doubt not little faith system institution prize second big week daily wire plus democrat go chill midterm ve get ton brand new content bring amazing new stuff pretty day start episode jordan peterson new series marriage steak marriage fascinate worth watch worth listen jordans stuff interesting stuff marriage particularly amazing candace owen new taboo feature oneonone mia famous artist not know mias work pretty everybody listen sunday special sit bill lee governor tennessee fascinating conversation nation underappreciated governor amazing job tennessee s run race s competitive tonight seven central daily wire plus release documentary film dinner trump curtain look president close advisor die private club bedminster regardless feel donald trump truly trump medium not certainly like exist exist right mean literally donald trump sit good friend advisor hour fascinating watch love trump hate promise not see like member s well time join daily wirecomben member today okay joe biden pitch elect guy future election skew stop doubt election not good pitch pitch specific true mccarthy fashion like joseph mccarthy suggest list republicans election denier okay estimate election denier ballot america year not ignore impact have country damage corrosive destructive wanna clear make america america durability democracy politician say quick hint word wise cite stat like election ier list think important actually break little bit assume source s particular contention idea election sort comment election example express doubt election base voter fraud base notion skew rigging example informational input social medium entire kind breakdown hit outta fifty total republican nominee run office find fully deny legitimacy election candidate s breakdown candidate clearly state election steal trump sort determine steal trump mean context right think steal trump mean electoral fraud ballot ship dark night poll worker stop new ballot like election fully steal people election steal medium involve essentially rig public discourse corporation involve rig public discourse actually kind think thing say election biden not win election win election technically win vote win electoral college end story breakdown not account vague language people take legal action overturn result assume mean people file lawsuit originally perfectly legal expression challenge election result lawsuit throw right big cadre apparently election denier say candidate raise question result election standard way huge majority democrats assume count election denier people think trump steal election broad language raise question result election mainstream democratic discourse count candidate position election determine comment avoid answer ask directly fully accept result accept reservation vague category accord joe biden half republican candidate threat election integrity united states come joe biden vote opponent threaten democracy vote crap policy democracy preserve forever get romantic talk democracy autocracy irony thick joe biden democracy mean rule people rule monarch monie rule people autocracy opposite democracy mean rule person interest ideology party go to determine democracy long endure mean notice talk rule interest ideology party castigate entire party drive force party say say drive force castigate threat democracy seek interest ideology party person consider d like rest authority legislative judicial branch government talk threat democracy rise autocracy ve discuss centralization mass power dude head executive branch bit problem shtick incredibly cynical know president biden particularly cynical person warn not know state know state go to start count poll close know winner day later take time count important citizen patient rest stuff suppose work s fair s decent say election right lot talk evening election donald trump early return win lot state declare victor vote say not wait vote true true joe biden assault democracy ongoing live razor edge vote opponent keep beat horse vote opponent democracy end here clip wish wish assault democracy end day stand today candidate run level office america governor congress attorney general secretary state will not commit commit accept result election run path chaos america unprecedented unlawful unamerican ve say not love country win polling datum way democrats generally like country lot win republicans consistent polling datum go decade democrat win republicans win patriotic democrat patriotic barack obama president joe biden president trump president patriotism drop double digit far notion commit integrity election okay fine d like hear democrats election election future election bipartisan commitment trust result future election decent clean m hear lot 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Speeches, etc. Need I say that this is not a party political speech? To offer you such a speech would indeed be to abuse your rector's hospitality. What is more, it would be extremely imprudent if not quite impossible. It is a long time since it was said that the Church of England was the Tory Party at prayer. That famous dictum was never wholly true. Historically, it would be nearer the mark to say that the Tory Party in its origin was the Church of England in politics, for the old concept of a partnership between Church and State lies very near the heart of traditional Tory thinking, and in that partnership Tories always believed that the Church had primacy because it was concerned with those things which matter fundamentally to the destiny of mankind. So how does my religion affect my work as a politician? I was brought up, let me remind you, in a religious environment which, by the standards of today, would seem very rigid. We often went to Church twice on Sundays as well as to morning and afternoon Sunday School. We attended a number of Church activities during [end p1] the week. We believed it was wrong to spend very much on personal pleasure. We were taught always to make up our own minds and never to take the easy way of following the crowd. I suppose what this taught me above everything else was to see the temporal affairs of this world in perspective. What mattered fundamentally was Man's relationship to God, and in the last resort this depended on the response of the individual soul to God's Grace. Politics, when I began to think about them, seemed naturally important because they were one of the ways in which individuals could discharge that duty to their neighbours which God has enjoined on Mankind. They were also important because, though good institutions and laws cannot make men good, bad ones can encourage them to be a lot worse. I never thought that Christianity equipped me with a political philosophy, but I thought it did equip me with standards to which political actions must, in the end, be referred. It also taught me that, in the final analysis, politics is about personal relations, about establishing the conditions in which men and women can best use their fleeting lives in this world to prepare themselves for the next. I was also brought up to believe that it was only through whole-hearted devotion to this preparation that true earthly happiness could be achieved. Experience gives me no reason to revise this view. [end p2] Now all this may sound rather pious; but in those days religion had not been stripped by certain sophisticated theologians of its supernatural elements. The language in which we express our religious ideas may have changed—that is to say, when we are not too embarrassed to express them at all. But I still believe that the majority of English parents want their children to be brought up in what is essentially the same religious heritage as was handed to me. To most ordinary people, heaven and hell, right and wrong, good and bad, matter. Now if all this is true, it has one very important implication for politics. In the face of all difficulties and temptations we must keep and not go on diluting the specifically Christian content of teaching and corporate life in our schools. That was uppermost in my mind when I was at the Department of Education, and will still be there if I am called to another ministerial office. Today, we live in what the academics call “a pluralist society”. My Party, like most others, is not only drawn from all Christian denominations and from other religions, but also contains some who would hotly deny that religion has anything at all to do with politics or even with morality. To my mind, there are some advantages in this variety. I think some of the bitterness of political strife is reduced when we remind ourselves that many of the people who share our deepest convictions about life are on the other side in political controversy. [end p3] For the truth of the matter is this: the Bible as well as the tradition of the Church tell us very little directly about political systems or social programmes. The nearest we get is Christ telling his disciples to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and unto God that which is God's. No doubt many political judgments rest on moral assumptions, but many of the issues on which we are passionately divided are disputes about fact and expediency. In politics, as Edmund Burke taught us, there are very few universal and permanent truths. So when I speak of my political ideals I am most of the time speaking as the heir to a particular body of beliefs, and I hope of insights; I am talking about what seems to me to be right for this country, at this particular time bearing in mind our past. I think it is important to avoid confusing moral and political judgments. There is always a temptation, not easily resisted, to identify our opponents with the Devil, to suggest that politics presents us with a series of clear and simple choices between good and evil, and to attribute base motives to all who disagree with us. These are dangerous and evil tendencies; they embitter politics, and they trivialise religion and morality. Certainly Christianity offers us no easy solutions to political and economic issues. It teaches us that there is some evil in everyone and that it cannot be banished by sound policies and institutional reforms; that we cannot eliminate crime [end p4] simply by making people rich, or achieve a compassionate society simply by passing new laws and appointing more staff to administer them. In politics there are few simplicities and certainties, and loads of dilemmas. Let me give one or two practical examples of what I mean. Of course it is true that all men of good will must be concerned with the relief of poverty and suffering, and in most Christian countries this has come to be regarded as one of the primary concerns of politicians. But it is one thing to say that the relief of poverty and suffering is a duty and quite another to say that this duty can always be most efficiently and humanely performed by the State. Indeed, there are grave moral dangers and serious practical ones in letting people get away with the idea that they can delegate all their responsibilities to public officials and institutions. We know the immense sacrifices which people will make for the care of their own near and dear—for elderly relatives, disabled children and so on, and the immense part which voluntary effort even outside the confines of the family has played in these fields. Once you give people the idea that all this can be done by the State, and that it is somehow second-best or even degrading to leave it to private people (it is sometimes referred to as “cold charity”) then you will begin to deprive human beings of one of the essential ingredients of humanity—personal moral responsibility. You will in effect dry up in them the milk of human kindness. [end p5] If you allow people to hand over to the State all their personal responsibility, the time will come—indeed it is close at hand—when what the taxpayer is willing to provide for the good of humanity will be seen to be far less than what the individual used to be willing to give from love of his neighbour. So do not be tempted to identify virtue with collectivism. I wonder whether the State services would have done as much for the man who fell among thieves as the Good Samaritan did for him? I am not saying, of course, that the State has no welfare functions. This would be wholly against the tradition of my Party. We have always believed that there must be a level of well-being below which a citizen must not be allowed to fall. Moreover, people cannot realise their potential without educational opportunity. But the role of the State in Christian Society is to encourage virtue, not to usurp it. Let me give a second example. We all feel the need to assist the people of developing countries and recognise that it is our duty to help them. But how much of our own resources can be properly used in this way? Are direct State subsidies to governments the best way of offering help? Is not a free and open trading system between countries more mutually beneficial than aid handouts by government? These are questions which honest people can disagree about. [end p6] In post-war Britain we have seen a tendency, particularly in some places of learning and even in some churches, to claim or assume a moral superiority for Socialist and collectivist ideas. The argument is presented in a compelling way. It is suggested that a system run on a basis of self-interest, profit and competition is somehow structurally wrong and even immoral. Those who take this view, point to some of the bad things in Victorian times, and before that, citing as evidence selected works of contemporary artists and writers. Now no-one would deny that in every age and in every society there are features of which we should be ashamed, but can we honestly say that the system built up on private enterprise and freedom of choice has not produced an immense change for the better in the lot of all our people? Would a system dominated by the State have produced the wealth, well-being and freedom that we enjoy today? In this life we shall never achieve the perfect society in spite of the optimism of much humanist writing, but at least a system based on personal choice allows us to have and pursue ideals and interests. Today, it seems as if people are made to feel guilty about being well-off. But Christ did not condemn riches as such, only the way in which they were used and those who put their trust in them. It is one of the Church's tasks to guide us about our use of this world's wealth. But it seems strange to me that a man can be appealed to for substantial contributions to many Church and charitable causes, and yet be half-criticised [end p7] for having the means to give generously. Let me be quite clear: I am certainly not saying that Socialist theory and Socialist practice as we know them are contrary to the New Testament, nor am I saying that you can't be a good and sincere Christian and a dedicated Social Democrat. What we think about the proper organisation of Society must depend on our own reading of history and on our own view of the circumstances of Society today. Nevertheless, there is one heresy which it seems to me that some political doctrines embrace. It is the belief that Man is perfectable. This takes the form of supposing that if we get our social institutions right—if we provide properly for education, health and all other branches of social welfare—we shall have exorcised the Devil. This is bad theology and it also conflicts with our own experience. In my own lifetime, we have expended vast efforts and huge sums of money on policies designed to make people better and happier. Have we really brought about a fundamental improvement in Man's moral condition? The Devil is still with us, recording his successes in the crime figures and in all the other maladies of this society, in spite of its relative material comfort. If I am critical of what I believe to be the fallacies that underlie Socialist doctrine, let me add that there are warnings which need to be heeded by those of us who favour a free market economy. [end p8] As a Christian, I am bound to shun Utopias on this earth and to recognise that there is no change in Man's social arrangements which will make him perfectly good and perfectly happy. Therefore, I do not claim that the free-enterprise system of itself is automatically going to have these effects. I believe that economic freedom is a necessary but not a sufficient condition of our own national recovery and prosperity. There is another dimension—a moral one. For a nation to be noted for its industry, honesty and responsibility and justice, its people need a purpose and an ethic. The State cannot provide these—they can only come from the teachings of a Faith. And the Church must be the instrument of that work. Alexis de Torsquoueville, writing on democracy in America, pointed out that: “Religion … is more needed in democratic countries than in any others. How is it possible that society should escape destruction”, he asks, “if the moral tie is not strengthened in proportion as the political tie is relaxed. And what can be done with a people who are their own masters if they are not submissive to the Deity?” Freedom will destroy itself if it is not exercised within some sort of moral framework, some body of shared beliefs, some spiritual heritage transmitted through the Church, the family and the school. It will also destroy itself if it has no purpose. There is a well-known prayer which refers to God's service as ‘perfect freedom’. My wish for the people of this country is [end p9] that we shall be “free to serve”. So we must have freedom and we must have a morality. But even these are not enough: man is inherently sinful and in order to sustain a civilised and harmonious society we need laws backed by effective sanctions. Looking at this country today, I am bound to say that upholding the law is one area of life where I would wish the State to be stronger than it is. Freedom can only exist on a basis of law to be observed by governors and the governed, and to be rigorously and fairly enforced. So the State's role in a democracy is first and foremost to uphold the rule of law. But sometimes in history we have been so impressed with this truth that we have forgotten that ultimately true harmony consists in the willing co-operation of free men, and is not served by an over-regulated society. What is more, even when freedom, as it sometimes does, seems to be working against social harmony, we must remember that it has its own intrinsic value, just because men and women were born to be free. It appears to me that there are two very general and seemingly conflicting ideas about society which come down to us from the New Testament. There is that great Christian doctrine that we are all members one of another expressed in the concept of the Church on earth as the Body of Christ. From this we learn our interdependence, [end p10] and the great truth that we do not achieve happiness or salvation in isolation from each other but as members of Society. That is one of the great Christian truths which has influenced our political thinking; but there is also another, that we are all responsible moral beings with a choice between good and evil, beings who are infinitely precious in the eyes of their Creator. You might almost say that the whole of political wisdom consists in getting these two ideas in the right relationship to each other. Of course there are many sincere Christians who will disagree with my practical conclusions. Totalitarian Marxists will disagree with me in principle. They make no bones about rejecting all the assumptions from which I begin. I believe that their philosophy is utterly inconsistent with the Gospel and the teaching of the Church. What I am working for is a free and responsible society. But freedom is not synonymous with an easy life. Indeed, my own faith in freedom does not rest in the last resort on utilitarian arguments at all. Perhaps it would be possible to achieve some low-grade form of happiness in a thoroughly regimented State; but in such a State men would not be treated as what they are and what Christianity wanted them to be—free and responsible human beings. There are many difficult things about freedom: it does not give you safety, it creates moral dilemmas for you; it requires self-discipline; it imposes great responsibilities; but such is the destiny of Man and in such consists his glory and salvation. [end p11] In such too consists our national greatness. As the book of Proverbs says: “Righteousness Exalteth a Nation”. [end p12] Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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Speeches, etc. Mr. MacDermot We have now had quite a lengthy debate on several new Clauses, all of which propose special tax [column 1872]reliefs in favour of those who are in one way or another disabled. Naturally, this is a subject that rouses the sympathy of hon. Members in all parts of the Committee. As hon. Members have said, it is a topic to which we return almost annually in our Finance Bills, and we often hear some of the most moving of speech during the course of these debates. These are also debates in which Treasury Ministers traditionally are seen in their hardest and most inhuman light and I confess that in turning to this subject I was reminded of the shock. I felt as a young barrister on first hearing one of my senior colleagues referring to the tag that hard cases make bad law. It seemed to me to be a very cynical remark, but in time I came to understand it. Anyone who is responsible for trying to preserve the coherence of legislation in any field such as this gets reminded of that saying from time to time. 9.45 p.m. Before I turn to the particular Clauses. I remind hon. Members of some of the principles which I think we are agreed must guide us in our approach to these problems. If we are to have an acceptable taxation system and an acceptable system of allowances, however much our sympathies be aroused, we must agree that whatever decisions we take must be soundly rooted in principle and defensible in principle. The reason for that is that no tax system will be acceptable unless it is really felt to be fair. It has to be felt to be fair and it has to be fair between different classes of taxpayer. If we take a decision for a particular class of case we have to see whether there is a principle which distinguishes it from other classes and, if not, we must face the implications and consider whether we are prepared to extend it to the other case which are not distinguishable. We have also to see that whatever we propose is administratively workable. This comes back to the question of the importance of seeing that people respect our tax system as being fair. If we introduce measures which administratively cannot be operated in a satisfactory way this will immediately lead to great feelings of injustice with a falling off in the respect which the administration of our tax law commands throughout the country. We also want to see that in whatever [column 1873]we propose the benefit will actually go to those we intend to benefit. This leads to a point which has been referred to very fairly by some hon. Members, that when our sympathies are aroused in these matters of how to help the afflicted it does not always follow that tax reliefs are the best means of achieving those goals. Sometimes we shall achieve what we want more effectively through the instrument of the social services than through taxation reliefs. Some of the more ancient of our tax reliefs antedate the Welfare State as we know it. If we had had then the kind of structure of social services which we have now some of these tax reliefs might not have found their way on to the Statute Book as they would be matters dealt with by social security legislation. Referring again to the correspondence, there is no kind of bad faith on anyone's part; it is simply an example of the confusion which arises when we use the word “allowance” to cover two entirely different things. We use the word “allowance” in the social security field with reference to a hardship allowance and meaning the payment of money and also, in this debate for example, as referring to a constant attendance allowance as a proposed tax relief. What my right hon. Friend the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance was referring to, she assures me—I have not seen the letter—was the use of the words “constant attendance allowance” in one of our pamphlets with reference to a proposed social insurance payment for the purpose of financing constant attendance. Lord Balniel As the hon. and learned Gentleman raised the matter during the course of my speech, may I attempt to get this absolutely clear? The letter written by the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance said: I quite accept the argument which the hon. and learned Gentleman is putting forward, that it is possible to give social security benefits directly through social security legislation. Is it then the definite intention of the present Administration to introduce a constant attendance allowance benefit? Mr. MacDermot It is part of the policy which is contained in the pamphlet [column 1874]to which my right hon. Friend the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance was referring. The policies which we have advocated, and which we advocated before the General Election, are not matters which we have ever undertaken to carry out within 12 months. I remember my right hon. Friend the First Secretary of State and Secretary of State for Economic Affairs making several speeches during the General Election which made it perfectly clear that our programme was not merely a five-year programme but that much of it would require a second full term before we could carry it out. [Hon. Members: “Oh.” ] Hon. Members opposite, who only live from day to day, cannot conceive—— Dame Irene Ward rose—— Mr. MacDermot No, I will not give way. They cannot conceive of a political party being able to think ahead and see further than the end of its nose. I turn, after those completely uncontroversial remarks, to the new Clause which I suggest is the one that I should deal with first—that is, new Clause 20. I take this first because it is the one which is widest in its scope. Dame Irene Ward No. 19 is first. Mr. MacDermot I will come to that later. I shall deal with them all, but it is logical to deal first with new Clause 20 because that is the one which is widest in its scope. It suggests an allowance for totally disabled persons similar to the relief introduced only a few years ago for registered blind persons. As hon. Members opposite have reminded us, this is not the first time that we have discussed these proposals. Indeed, the Clause is copied word for word from an Amendment which was moved last year by some of my right hon. and hon. Friends when we were in opposition. I am also reminded that I myself voted for that Amendment. I will not be so unkind as to remind right hon. and hon. Members opposite which of them voted against it, but I notice that they have been very careful to select someone to reply to the debate who did not take part in the Division. All I can say on my own behalf is that, since that time, I have become a sadder and a wiser man. On that occasion, the Amendment was resisted by the then Economic Secretary to the Treasury, [column 1875]on the grounds that this was a matter which was better dealt with by means of the social services and not by taxation. Mrs. Margaret Thatcher (Finchley) He lost his seat. Mr. MacDermot As the hon. Lady said, he lost his seat. He also argued that—I am sorry; I have lost my train of thought. Dame Irene Ward Can I help you? The Chairman I hope that the Committee will give attention while the hon. and learned Gentleman explains the inconsistency of both sides of the Committee. Mr. MacDermot The then Economic Secretary based his resistance of the Amendment primarily on the fact that this was not a matter which should be dealt with by tax reliefs; it should be dealt with through the social services. He also pointed out, which is a matter frequently referred to in these debates, that, when one is thinking of people who are suffering hardship and are in need among the poorer sections of the community, the fact is that taxation reliefs give little or no benefit to those who are in the greatest need, because it is only those who have sufficient income to qualify for tax reliefs who benefit from them. It was on this ground, principally, that the then Economic Secretary opposed it. Nevertheless, my right hon. Friend, having himself supported these Amendments when moved by us in Opposition, naturally when he came to consider his Budget policy for this year, as indicated in the letter which has been referred to, looked very closely into this proposal for a total disability allowance. Without wearying the Committee with all the details, the fact is that there were then put to him by those who advise us on these matters quite formidable difficulties in dealing with this case on the simple matter of administration. The principal and first difficulty is that of how, from the practical point of view, one would determine who would be the people who would qualify for relief. The new Clause proposes that a totally disabled person should be defined as meaning first of all, those who are already in receipt of industrial injury or war [column 1876]disablement pensions by reference to a test of 100 per cent. disablement and, secondly, persons who, though not in receipt of such a pension, are disabled in a manner and degree equivalent to 100 per cent. disablement. The first category are already accepted under the insurance provisions as being 100 per cent. disabled. They would not benefit from an allowance of this kind because they are already in receipt of a tax-free social security benefit which far exceeds the amount of allowance proposed and as they would have to give credit the tax relief cut reduced by seven-ninths of that tax free payment they would receive little benefit from this proposal. Therefore, the proposal would only operate for the second category—those disabled in manner and degree equivalent to 100 per cent. disablement. Who is to determine whether a person is disabled in that sense? Obviously a tax inspector cannot do it. This means that one would have to set up an administration comparable to that set up under the National Insurance scheme to determine whether people are disabled to that degree. In addition, there will be many people suffering from different kinds of diseases and ailments not covered under the present pensions scheme and one would have to consider whether they qualified as 100 per cent. disabled. Whatever definition was drawn up, it would give rise to complaints by those people who fell outside it, and if we extended this provision to the 100 per cent., pressures would immediately start from people who would say, “If it is 100 per cent., why not 90 per cent.?” Hon. Members who are familiar with these matters know the apparent illogicalities of what constitutes 100 per cent. disablement. If a man has an amputation of both legs just below the knee, that is 100 per cent., but if amputation is at the ankles and both feet are missing, that is only 90 per cent. disablement, and so on. Therefore, the pressures would be great and would be irresistible. If illustration of that is required, one has only to look at New Clause 56 which proposes that relief should be extended to people with a 75 per cent. disablement. If one accepted that, how could one hold the line there? Pressure would start on behalf of people with 50 per cent. disablement. Therefore, if we had a [column 1877]scheme of this kind the result would be an enormous number of claims, in perfectly good faith, from people who felt that they were entitled to payment of this kind. There would have to be elaborate machinery to decide who was entitled, and there would have to be appeal machinery. In the end the result would be that for every person who fell on one side of the line and established his right to the allowance there would probably be two or three who fell on the other side and would not establish the right and we would thus create in total a greater sense of injustice. 10.0 p.m. There is another fundamental difficulty in this approach. The intention underlying the proposal is, of course, to give assistance to people who, by reason of disablement, incur additional expenditure which ordinary people do not incur. Again, those who are familiar with the administration of our social insurance provisions will know that there are many people 100 per cent. disabled—fully within that term—who are able to be remuneratively employed without incurring any additional expenditure whatever—[Hon. Members: “No.” ] Indeed, there are—whereas there are others who do not qualify to anything like the 100 per cent. degree but who are very severely disabled—perhaps not able to work or able to do very little work—who incur considerable additional expenditure. So it is a very rough and ready test as a means of trying to attain the object. It was because of these formidable arguments which were presented to him that my right hon. Friend felt unable to include this proposal in his Budget for this year. But I want to make clear that it is our earnest anxiety to examine these matters to see what reliefs, if any, we can carve out of the proposals which have been made which will be really practical and workable. When we discussed several of these matters on Clause 10, I made two general comments. First, it is obvious that a year in which it is necessary to increase taxes substantially is not an occasion when a Chancellor can, in his Budget, set about a comprehensive review of personal allowances. If one is to put matters straight and try to get rid of [column 1878]some of the anomalies in our system, this can be done much more effectively in a year when a Chancellor is able to grant tax reliefs. Second, because of the inter-relation of tax reliefs and social security benefits to which I have been referring, if one is to make a comprehensive review of these matters, it must be done within the context of a review of the social services. I was asked by the hon. Lady the Member for Tynemouth not to refer to this topic, but I cannot help doing so. It is relevant, as she knows, because she herself came with a deputation from the organisation to which she referred to see my right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Duchy, and there was then discussed the social security aspect of the very matters she raised so eloquently in her speech today. The constant attendance allowance proposal raised by new Clause No. 54 was considered with great care by the Royal Commission. After receiving representations on the subject from many sources, the Royal Commission rejected the proposal chiefly on the ground that its effect would be very haphazard and discriminatory in giving relief to people who incurred a particular form of expenditure when there were many others at least equally, if not worse, disabled incurring perhaps greater expenditure who would have no relief. One has only to think of the example of the person without relatives or friends to care for him who goes into a paying nursing home. Such a person, under this proposal, would not qualify for relief at all. Again, as has been said, the result of granting this form of concession would lead to widespread pressures for its extension to cases in which the wife was incapacitated or the householder had a nurse or attendant for some other member of his family or household. I was asked in this connection how one distinguished this case from that of the housekeeper allowance. The housekeeper allowance, as the Committee knows, is basically intended as an allowance to help the person who is confronted, single-handed, with the problem of looking after and bringing up small children. It is one extension that the Royal Commission found to be anomalous—namely, that in favour of the widow. Mr. Alison Will the hon. and learned Gentleman comment on Section 479 of the Income Tax Act, 1952, which gives an Income Tax allowance to clergy for domestic help? Why should that principle not be extended to other categories? Mr. MacDermot I was not aware of that provision, but I remind the hon. Gentleman of what the Royal Commission said in general about Income Tax allowances It may have been possible there to carve out one small section of people for whom administratively that relief could be worked but this is precisely the difficulty I referred to. If one accepts an extension of that kind, immediately the argument follows, “If this is granted to one person why not to everyone else?” One then ends up with something that is administratively not workable. New Clause No. 61 deals with dependant relative attendance relief. The hon. Lady the Member for Tynemouth explained that it is limited in particular to single women, almost as a token of respect for the work, which has been widely admired, of the Rev. Mary Webster and the Council for Single Women. Dame Irene Ward rose—— The Temporary Chairman (Mr. Thomas Steele) Order. I hope that we will listen quietly to the Financial Secretary. It seems to me that there is too much noise. Dame Irene Ward On a point of order, Mr. Steele. The Financial Secretary has misquoted a Clause. Surely I am entitled to point that out to him? Surely we are not being gagged here? The Temporary Chairman Order. The hon. Lady misheard me. She was interrupting the Minister. I was asking right hon. and hon. Gentlemen to be quite so that they would hear what was happening. Dame Irene Ward Thank you, Mr. Steele. Mr. MacDermot I was giving way to the hon. Lady, but perhaps she does not now wish to interrupt. [Interruption.] I am sorry but I cannot deal with interruptions made from a sitting position. I did give way to her. I do not know whether or not she wishes to intervene. Dame Irene Ward I am grateful to the hon. and learned Gentleman for giving way. I would really have put the case quite nicely if I had not myself been interrupted and I did not quite know what was happening. I explained Clause 61 in great detail and said that the reference to single women covered everyone else as well. It is no good the hon. and learned Gentleman riding off on a note of single women, for that makes nonsense of one's attempts to deploy one's case. Mr. MacDermot The hon. Lady should have a little more patience. I was not attempting to ride off on anything. I was merely seeking to join her in paying tribute to the lady who has commanded such widespread admiration for the work she has done in the social security field in calling attention to a class of person whose conditions have been up to now rather ignored and overlooked. The proposal here is that, in effect, there should be a £50 addition to the dependant relief allowance in certain cases. If the extra Income Tax reliefs were conceded to a tax payer who looked after a person of the kind referred to in the Clause, it would be claimed that there should at the same time be additional benefits and possibly cash benefits for people who needed care and attention of this kind but who had no relative to look after them or where the relative who looked after them had insufficient income to benefit from Income Tax relief. In other words, again there would be a similar spread of pressure and if relief which in effect benefits only those who have sufficient income to benefit from an Income Tax allowance is granted, it will be said with justification that the greater need is to benefit those of lesser means, and that can be done only through the social services. I turn now to new Clause 19 which deals with the registered blind. There are some 100,000 registered blind persons [column 1881]in this country. About one in ten of them, about 10,000, benefit from the existing tax allowance in favour of registered blind persons. This is a revealing figure because it shows that nine-tenths, who presumably are the most needy nine-tenths of the blind, do not benefit at all from this allowance. When this special allowance was introduced, I believe by the right hon. and learned Member for Wirral (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd), it was made clear by the then Chief Secretary who moved the provision in question that they were being treated as a unique and quite exceptional class of persons. They were in a clearly identifiable category and there was no administrative problem in trying to determine who they were. They had already established their disability and were on a register which was clearly available to be checked and there was therefore virtually no possibility of abuse. The affliction from which these people suffer commands a unique and a quite extra-ordinary degree of sympathy. Given all these circumstances, there was a feeling on both sides of the Committee that there should be an exception from the general principles which I have been stating about allowances for dependent persons so as to give allowances to the blind. The new Clause deals with the situation that under the present law a person has to be registered for the whole year in order to qualify for the relief. It follows that when blind persons are registered, during the year in which they are registered they do not get any relief at all, not even proportionate relief, and have to wait until the second year of their registration before they can qualify for the allowance. It was suggested by the noble Lord the Member for Hertford (Lord Balniel) that this was anomalous. In the strict sense it is not anomalous. On the contrary, it follows the practice for various allowances of this class, which is that the person has to qualify for the whole of the tax year in order to qualify for the allowance. Those operate, for example, for the various child minder allowances. This is no doubt the reason why the allowance was drawn in this form. Hon. Members have referred to the hardship which this occasions to blind people in particular cases, and I think [column 1882]that it was the hon. Lady the Member for Plymouth, Devonport (Dame Joan Vickers) who emphasised that it was in the early months when people were first afflicted that they were likely to incur the greatest additional expenditure and be in the greatest need of the allowance. We have received advice that there is a danger of repercussions. Already there are people who argue, and have been arguing for some considerable time, that there ought to be an equivalent arrangement for the other allowances, such as the child minder allowances, and that people who suffer from the disability in question, or the need in question, for only part of the year should be entitled to a proportionate part of the allowance. For reasons with which I need not weary the Committee, in these cases this would be quite unworkable and impracticable administratively. I therefore beseech the Committee that if they agree, as my right hon. Friend suggests that they should, with this new Clause, that it should in doing so understand quite clearly that we are still treating this allowance as a quite unique one and that our decision today, if that be our decision, is not intended to serve as a precedent for any further extension of the principle or as a valid argument which can be used on a future occasion. Hoping and believing that the Committee will take this view, in spite of the administrative risks and difficulties involved, my right hon. Friend urges the Committee to accept this Clause. Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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speech etc mr macdermot lengthy debate new clause propose special tax column favour way disabled naturally subject rouse sympathy hon member part committee hon member say topic return annually finance bill hear moving speech course debate debate treasury minister traditionally see hard inhuman light confess turn subject remind shock feel young barrister hear senior colleague refer tag hard case bad law cynical remark time come understand responsible try preserve coherence legislation field get remind say time time pm turn particular clause remind hon member principle think agree guide approach problem acceptable taxation system acceptable system allowance sympathy arouse agree decision soundly root principle defensible principle reason tax system acceptable feel fair feel fair fair different class taxpayer decision particular class case principle distinguish class face implication consider prepared extend case distinguishable propose administratively workable come question importance see people respect tax system fair introduce measure administratively operate satisfactory way immediately lead great feeling injustice fall respect administration tax law command country want column propose benefit actually intend benefit lead point refer fairly hon member sympathy arouse matter help afflict follow tax relief good mean achieve goal shall achieve want effectively instrument social service taxation relief ancient tax relief antedate welfare state know kind structure social service tax relief find way statute book matter deal social security legislation refer correspondence kind bad faith anyone simply example confusion arise use word allowance cover entirely different thing use word allowance social security field reference hardship allowance mean payment money debate example refer constant attendance allowance propose tax relief right hon friend minister pension national insurance refer assure see letter use word constant attendance allowance pamphlet reference propose social insurance payment purpose finance constant attendance lord balniel hon learn gentleman raise matter course speech attempt absolutely clear letter write minister pension national insurance say accept argument hon learn gentleman put forward possible social security benefit directly social security legislation definite intention present administration introduce constant attendance allowance benefit mr macdermot policy contain pamphlet column right hon friend minister pension national insurance refer policy advocate advocate general election matter undertake carry month remember right hon friend secretary state secretary state economic affair make speech general election perfectly clear programme merely fiveyear programme require second term carry hon member oh hon member opposite live day day conceive dame irene ward rise mr macdermot way conceive political party able think ahead end nose turn completely uncontroversial remark new clause suggest deal new clause widest scope dame irene ward mr macdermot come later shall deal logical deal new clause widest scope suggest allowance totally disabled person similar relief introduce year ago register blind person hon member opposite remind time discuss proposal clause copy word word amendment move year right hon hon friend opposition remind vote amendment unkind remind right hon hon member opposite vote notice careful select reply debate division behalf time sadder wise man occasion amendment resist economic secretary treasury column ground matter well deal mean social service taxation mrs margaret thatcher finchley lose seat mr macdermot hon lady say lose seat argue sorry lose train thought dame irene ward help chairman hope committee attention hon learn gentleman explain inconsistency side committee mr macdermot economic secretary base resistance amendment primarily fact matter deal tax relief deal social service point matter frequently refer debate think people suffer hardship need poor section community fact taxation relief little benefit great need sufficient income qualify tax relief benefit ground principally economic secretary oppose right hon friend have support amendment move opposition naturally come consider budget policy year indicate letter refer look closely proposal total disability allowance weary committee detail fact advise matter formidable difficulty deal case simple matter administration principal difficulty practical point view determine people qualify relief new clause propose totally disabled person define mean receipt industrial injury war column pension reference test cent disablement secondly person receipt pension disable manner degree equivalent cent disablement category accept insurance provision cent disabled benefit allowance kind receipt taxfree social security benefit far exceed allowance propose credit tax relief cut reduce sevenninth tax free payment receive little benefit proposal proposal operate second category disabled manner degree equivalent cent disablement determine person disabled sense obviously tax inspector mean set administration comparable set national insurance scheme determine people disabled degree addition people suffer different kind disease ailment cover present pension scheme consider qualify cent disable definition draw rise complaint people fall outside extend provision cent pressure immediately start people cent cent hon member familiar matter know apparent illogicality constitute cent disablement man amputation leg knee cent amputation ankle foot miss cent disablement pressure great irresistible illustration require look new clause propose relief extend people cent disablement accept hold line pressure start behalf people cent disablement column kind result enormous number claim perfectly good faith people feel entitle payment kind elaborate machinery decide entitle appeal machinery end result person fall line establish right allowance probably fall establish right create total great sense injustice pm fundamental difficulty approach intention underlie proposal course assistance people reason disablement incur additional expenditure ordinary people incur familiar administration social insurance provision know people cent disabled fully term able remuneratively employ incur additional expenditure hon member qualify like cent degree severely disabled able work able little work incur considerable additional expenditure rough ready test means try attain object formidable argument present right hon friend feel unable include proposal budget year want clear earnest anxiety examine matter relief carve proposal practical workable discuss matter clause general comment obvious year necessary increase taxis substantially occasion chancellor budget set comprehensive review personal allowance matter straight try rid column anomaly system effectively year chancellor able grant tax relief second interrelation tax relief social security benefit refer comprehensive review matter context review social service ask hon lady member tynemouth refer topic help relevant know come deputation organisation refer right hon friend chancellor duchy discuss social security aspect matter raise eloquently speech today constant attendance allowance proposal raise new clause consider great care royal commission receive representation subject source royal commission reject proposal chiefly ground effect haphazard discriminatory give relief people incur particular form expenditure equally worse disabled incur great expenditure relief think example person relative friend care go pay nursing home person proposal qualify relief say result grant form concession lead widespread pressure extension case wife incapacitate householder nurse attendant member family household ask connection distinguish case housekeeper allowance housekeeper allowance committee know basically intend allowance help person confront singlehande problem look bring small child extension royal commission find anomalous favour widow mr alison hon learn gentleman comment section income tax act give income tax allowance clergy domestic help principle extend category mr macdermot aware provision remind hon gentleman royal commission say general income tax allowance possible carve small section people administratively relief work precisely difficulty refer accept extension kind immediately argument follow grant person end administratively workable new clause deal dependant relative attendance relief hon lady member tynemouth explain limit particular single woman token respect work widely admire rev mary webster council single woman dame irene ward rise temporary chairman mr thomas steele order hope listen quietly financial secretary noise dame irene ward point order mr steele financial secretary misquote clause surely entitle point surely gag temporary chairman order hon lady misheard interrupt minister ask right hon hon gentleman hear happen dame irene ward thank mr steele mr macdermot give way hon lady wish interrupt interruption sorry deal interruption sitting position way know wish intervene dame irene ward grateful hon learn gentleman give way case nicely interrupt know happen explain clause great detail say reference single woman cover good hon learn gentleman ride note single woman make nonsense one attempt deploy one case mr macdermot hon lady little patience attempt ride merely seek join pay tribute lady command widespread admiration work social security field call attention class person condition ignore overlook proposal effect addition dependant relief allowance certain case extra income tax relief concede tax payer look person kind refer clause claim time additional benefit possibly cash benefit people need care attention kind relative look relative look insufficient income benefit income tax relief word similar spread pressure relief effect benefit sufficient income benefit income tax allowance grant say justification great need benefit less mean social service turn new clause deal register blind register blind person column country benefit exist tax allowance favour register blind person revealing figure show ninetenth presumably needy ninetenth blind benefit allowance special allowance introduce believe right hon learn member wirral mr selwyn lloyd clear chief secretary move provision question treat unique exceptional class person clearly identifiable category administrative problem try determine establish disability register clearly available check virtually possibility abuse affliction people suffer command unique extraordinary degree sympathy give circumstance feeling side committee exception general principle state allowance dependent person allowance blind new clause deal situation present law person register year order qualify relief follow blind person register year register relief proportionate relief wait second year registration qualify allowance suggest noble lord member hertford lord balniel anomalous strict sense anomalous contrary follow practice allowance class person qualify tax year order qualify allowance operate example child minder allowance doubt reason allowance draw form hon member refer hardship occasion blind people particular case think column hon lady member plymouth devonport dame joan vicker emphasise early month people afflict likely incur great additional expenditure great need allowance receive advice danger repercussion people argue argue considerable time ought equivalent arrangement allowance child minder allowance people suffer disability question need question year entitle proportionate allowance reason need weary committee case unworkable impracticable administratively beseech committee agree right hon friend suggest new clause understand clearly treat allowance unique decision today decision intend serve precedent extension principle valid argument future occasion hope believe committee view spite administrative risk difficulty involve right hon friend urge committee accept clause copyright margaret 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Speeches, etc. Amendment No. 7 proposed [22nd February], in page 1, line 20, leave out subsection (4).—[Mr. Boyd-Carpenter.] 10.30 a.m. Question again proposed. Mr. William Hamling When the Committee rose on Tuesday, I was dealing with some of the arguments on this Amendment. Particularly for the benefit of my right hon. and learned Friend the Attorney-General whom we are glad to see with us—— Mr. John Boyd-Carpenter Hear, hear! Mr. Hamling —to help right hon. and hon. Members opposite who seem to have difficulty in understanding the law in this matter, perhaps I may recapitulate my arguments. I was reminding the Committee that one of the main functions of the Commission will be to assess and collect the levy, which is an executive function which should be done by servants of the Crown. Hon. Members opposite have said that the job should be done by the Board of Inland Revenue. But if we are told that the Commission will be a branch of the Board of Inland Revenue, the objections raised by the hon. Lady the Member for Finchley (Mrs. Thatcher) against servants of the Crown will fall. It seems that hon. Members opposite have a contradictory attitude. Indeed, their speeches are mutually contradictory. Mrs. Margaret Thatcher If we had our way, the levy would not be collected by the Land Commission at all, so a good deal of that part of the William Hamlinghon. Gentleman's argument would fall. Mr. Hamling The hon. Lady's objection was that servants of the Crown could not be sued in tort, which would also apply to the servants of the Crown [column 110]collecting the levy. The hon. Lady must make up her mind about what she really wants. I am no lawyer, as the Committee knows, but I was under the impression that the Crown Proceedings Act, 1947, covered her objection. Mrs. Thatcher In part. Mr. Hamling I remind her that the Act was passed by the post-war Labour Government. The collection of revenue is, in our estimation, to be an important function of the Land Commission. We would argue that this function could not be carried out by the Board of Inland Revenue but it is surely a function of the Commission, which is the appropriate body. The hon. Lady's objections will, in any case, be covered by another Bill to come before the House—the Parliamentary Commissioner Bill. I cite that as evidence to the Committee of the good will of the Government in trying to ensure that no subject of the Crown is under any legal disability vis-à-vis the Executive. I hope that the Opposition, having listened to our arguments, will not press the Amendment. I believe that their objections have been met, and I remind the Committee again of the remarks made by my hon. Friend the Joint Parliamentary Secretary. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter First of all, I would say how glad I am that, in response to the requests made by one or two of my hon. Friends and myself at our last sitting, that a Law Officer should attend. We are glad to see the right hon. and learned Gentleman the Attorney-General sitting, large as life, opposite. I was trying to remember the full quotation. I can recall something about the “vasty deep” . I am not sure whether it applied to Attorney-General. But we are very glad that he is here, because there are some doubts in the minds of hon. Members about the legal effect of the subsection which we seek to delete. That there is such confusion is very clearly evidenced by the speech of the hon. Member for Woolwich, West (Mr. Hamling). As I said at our last sitting, it is the long and honourable tradition of the law officers that they advise Committees of this House as to the law with complete impartiality. It will be useful if, at a fairly early stage of our proceedings this [column 111]morning, the Attorney-General is able to intervene to give us his advice about the legal effects of the subsection on the points on which I shall put to him one or two questions, and then we can consider, with the aid of the Joint Parliamentary Secretary, and—in the hope the Minister may sometimes be here, too—the Minister, whether the policy results of these legal provisions, as interpreted to us by the Attorney-General, are satisfactory on their merits. There seem, therefore, to be two stages to our discussion: to get from the Attorney-General what the precise legal effect is, and then, in the light of that advice, to consider whether the legal effect, as so interpreted to us, is satisfactory on its merits. First, I turn to the hon. Member for Woolwich, West, because in the course of his observations on Tuesday he made one of two criticisms of an earlier speech of mine, and it would be discourteous on my part not to seek to deal with them. At our last sitting, the hon. Gentleman made this rather astonishing observation: With the greatest respect, that is absolute nonsense. The question whether, as the hon. Member went on to suggest, we could table Questions to the Minister about the activities of the Commission is completely independent of this provision of the Bill. The hon. Gentleman seemed to think that this was necessary—as the Joint Parliamentary Secretary, I think, told us—in order that civil servants should be employed, and that it was upon the employment of civil servants that there depended the right to table Questions about individual transactions. That is a complete misapprehension of the position. The hon. Gentleman may be aware that the National Assistance Board is entirely manned by civil servants. I do not know whether he has had any more success in that direction than the rest of us. Certainly, it is my experience that one cannot get past the Table a Question asking the Minister of Pensions about an individual case handled by the National [column 112]Assistance Board. The War Damage Commission was, and, I believe, is still dragging out a miserable existence manned by civil servants. One could never, in my experience, get a Question past the Table about its handling of a particular case. In truth and in fact, the question of civil servants being employed is neither here nor there on this point. The authorities of the House and Mr. Speaker have always interpreted the matter quite differently as to whether the Statute as a whole set up a body which relieved the Minister of day-to-day responsibility for administration. Where it did do so, there is an unchallenged line of cases, either rightly or wrongly on merits, but surely rightly on the strict law, we are excluded from asking Questions about individual handling of cases. The hon. Member for Woolwich, West can fill the Commission with civil servants, but it will not enable him to table a single Question. Therefore, all that part of his speech was founded on a complete misapprehension, and I suggest to the Committee that there is absolutely no connection between the issue which he saw fit to raise and our desire that the doings of the Commission, as we have made clear on previous Amendments, should be in full daylight and subject to the fullest Parliamentary scrutiny. The Joint Parliamentary Secretary, however, told us that the effect of the subsection would be to exclude the Commission from normal taxation. No doubt in due course the Attorney-General will tell us whether that is right. I think it probably is right, if I may venture, with due diffidence, an opinion—that is to say, right in law. But is it right in merits? Is it a good thing to exclude the Commission from normal taxation? Why should it be? The nationalised industries are not. In the unlikely contingency of their making a profit they pay Income Tax on it; Profits Tax or ultimately Corporation Tax. Why should the Land Commission be excluded from tax? The Joint Parliamentary Secretary was uncertain, perhaps understandably—here again, no doubt, the Attorney-General can help us—whether as a result of the subsection the Commission would be liable to pay local rates. This will be of very considerable interest to my hon. [column 113]Friend the Member for Newcastle-upon-Tyne, North (Mr. R. W. Elliott) in view of the indication given earlier that the head office of the Commission is to be located in Newcastle. Will it pay rates to the City of Newcastle? If not, why not? A great to-do was made about the Scottish office being at Cumbernauld. Is Cumbernauld to get rates from the Scottish office or what? If—we want the Attorney-General's view on this—the provision excludes rates, why does it? If it does not exclude rates, can we have an assurance that they will be paid? The Joint Parliamentary Secretary at column 100 made an observation on which I should like to invite the Attorney-General's comments. He referred, very properly, to the first part of Clause 13 of the Bill, under which the Crown status, which it is proposed to give the Commission, shall not have—if the Clause stays in the Bill—the effect of excluding the Commission from planning and similar regulations and restrictions. That, I think, there is no quarrel about; it is plainly right. The hon. Gentleman went on: Is that right? The Commission may well be involved in litigation, right outside the restricted sphere of matters dealt with by Clause 13(1). There may be a desire to sue it in contract or sue it in tort. If we give the Commission the status proposed by the subsection, will it have the advantages in litigation which still adhere to the Crown? We are all aware of—indeed we discussed earlier—the Crown proceedings, but it remains a fact—this is confirmed by Halsbury's Laws of England—that the Crown still has very considerable advantages, that one cannot sue the Crown or its emanations in court in the same way as one can sue an ordinary citizen. Is it, therefore, right, as the Joint Parliamentary Secretary appears to be assuring us, that the Commission will not, as a result of the subsection, have the same advantages in litigation as are given for perhaps quite different [column 114]purposes to the Crown? Will it have, for example, the right to claim Crown privilege for documents. As the Committee knows, if one sues a Government Department, any document can be withheld from one and from the court if the Minister concerned swears an affidavit that it is in the public interest that it should not be disclosed. Will that, in certain circumstances, highly advantageous position be given to the Commission or not as a result of the subsection? We should like to hear the Attorney-General on these points. Among other things, it will throw some light on whether the Joint Parliamentary Secretary did not, in fact—I am sure it was in all good faith—mislead the Committee when he said that the citizen will not be under any disadvantage in any action which he wishes to bring against the Commission. It is extremely important to have it clear whether or not that is right. The Joint Parliamentary Secretary said that the object of the provision was to make possible the employment of civil servants as officers of the Commission. I have the highest regard for civil servants. I have probably worked with them for longer than any other member of this Committee, and I think we are extremely fortunate in this country to have the most intelligent, most honest, most honourable Civil Service in the world. I am sure that that view is very generally shared in this Committee. 10.45 a.m. Whether one is doing civil servants any help or kindness by enabling them to be transferred to the Land Commission is, however, a very different question indeed. I am particularly sorry for this reason that the Minister is not here, because there are certain questions I wanted to ask him about his intentions in respect of the employment of civil servants under the Commission, which the subsection, as the Joint Parliamentary Secretary told us, is intended to cover and, indeed, make possible. We have been told that the Commission is to employ 2,000 people for the Central Office, a Scottish Office whose precise status seems to be a matter of some controversy, and 11 area or regional offices. Are those 2,000 all going to be civil [column 115]servants? If not, how many of them will be civil servants? I also want to know whether civil servants are to be transferred compulsorily to the Commission? It is not, perhaps, a very inviting prospect. The life of the Commission is likely to be, in the words of Hobbes, “nasty, brutish and short” . Its tenure is obviously precarious. Its chances, perhaps, of ever coming to life are, as the days pass, becoming more and more marginal, and it would certainly not offer satisfactory career prospects to any civil servant. Indeed, it seems to me unlikely that any sensible official would desire to be transferred. Therefore, I want to know, in all seriousness, if the Minister is taking powers here to employ civil servants in the Commission, whether he and the Chancellor of the Exchequer propose to use compulsion to transfer them, or will it be done on a voluntary basis? Have there been discussions with the staff associations about this? This is a serious matter for the officials concerned. Not only could such a transfer be far from helpful to their careers, but there is also the fact that the location of the offices would almost certainly involve physical transfer of their homes. I have some experience of the problems that arise when one moves officials who are established in one part of the country to another, and I know that special arrangements are made by sensible Governments to help with their transfers, their salaries, their removal expenses and—as it will almost certainly be in this case—their removal expenses back after a short time. I want to know whether discussions have taken place with the staff associations. What proposals there are? I hope we shall be satisfied about this. Most of us in this Committee have civil servants in our constituencies. Some of these may, for all we know, be affected by the intention of the Minister to transfer them voluntarily or otherwise to the Commission. So it is our duty to probe this aspect of the matter very fully indeed. Turning from these administrative questions, from questions that go to the merits, I would revert to the Attorney-General and say that, while we should welcome his guidance on the total legal effect of this subsection, I, for my part, [column 116]would particularly value his indication of the effect of this on taxation, national and local; the position in respect of litigation; the position in respect of a citizen who desires to proceed against the Commission, or is proceeded against by the Commission on matters outside those dealt with by Clause 13(1); the position in regard to the claim of Crown privilege in such proceedings, the discovery of documents and the right of the Crown to withhold on grounds of Crown privilege the disclosure of documents. It might be helpful if the right hon. and learned Gentleman could give us the firm basis of his indication of what are the legal effects of this provision so that we can consider on that foundation what we, on both sides of the Committee, think of the merits of the matter. The Attorney-General (Sir Elwyn Jones) I am most grateful for the kind welcome that I have been given this morning. It is reassuring to find the right hon. Member for Kingston-upon-Thames (Mr. Boyd-Carpenter) in such continuing excellent voice. Certainly, he could not be described as nasty or brutish, and certainly not short. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter Would the right hon. and learned Gentleman make the comparison, when he studies Hansard, of the length of my observations and those of his hon. Friend the Member for Woolwich, West (Mr. Hamling)? The Attorney-General I have read with great care, and, no doubt, immense advantage, the Official Report of the proceedings of the Committee last Tuesday. As I understand it, the burden of the case for the Amendment to delete subsection (4) is that the Land Commission should not be a Crown body at all, because this would give it certain unjustifiable immunities and advantages which would result in the subject, the ordinary citizen, being at a disadvantage in relation to the activities of the Land Commission, in particular in litigation brought against it, or by it. I should have thought, to begin with, as a broad principle, that it was almost unarguable that a body such as the Land Commission, which is to perform various functions of government, and, in particular, the function of collecting revenue, [column 117]must be a Crown body, as, for instance, was the position in regard to the Central Land Board. That seems to me to be very analogous to the machinery of the Land Commission. Under the Town and Country Planning Act, 1947, the Central Land Board, which was responsible, among other things, for collecting development charges, was very properly made a Crown body. One of the many advantages of that from the public's point of view is the accountability of the Land Commission through the Minister to Parliament. There is express provision in Clause 5 for reports to be made, and although it is true that in individual cases, in the hunt and pursuit, it may not be possible—because, after all, the machinery of Government must not be ground down to a halt—the Committee will nevertheless well know the classic opportunities for questioning and exposure which, happily, the parliamentary system provides. I remind the Committee, as my hon. Friend the Member for Woolwich West has said, that the Government are passionately concerned with the liberty of the subject and equality before the law—it was a Labour Administration which introduced the Crown Proceedings Act in 1947—and we have on the stocks—if that is not too unattractive a phrase to relate to any forthcoming piece of legislation—— Mr. Boyd-Carpenter It puts the citizens in the stocks. The Attorney-General —the Parliamentary Commissioner Bill, which will give to a Parliamentary Commissioner wide and roving powers over these governmental bodies. I turn back expressly to the matter of taxation. As my hon. Friend said on Tuesday, the Commission, as a Crown body, is not liable or subject to normal taxation. All the profits of the Commission will be paid in one way or another to the Exchequer, and, therefore, to require the Land Commission to pay taxes to the Exchequer would be a rather superfluous and redundant exercise. As to the position with regard to liability for rates, land occupied by the Commission would be land occupied by or on behalf of the Crown for public purposes, and, therefore, under the Rating and Valuation Act, 1935, it will [column 118]be exempt from rates, but the practice in regard to land occupied by Crown bodies like this, as with regard to land occupied by the Duchies, is that in the case of such land enjoying Crown exemption from rates a contribution in lieu of rates is paid. Those contributions are made ex gratia; nevertheless they are equivalent, as I understand it, to the liability for rates, being the amount that is involved. It may well be that the Minister may be willing to give an undertaking that such contributions will be made in respect of land occupied by the Commission. No doubt my right hon. Friend in due course will be questioned about that, and it will surprise me if he does not give a satisfactory answer. As to the liability to Stamp Duty, Land Commission documents will be subject to Stamp Duty, save for the specific exemptions that are set out in Clause 25. As has been said already, Clause 1(4) of the Bill has to be read subject to Clause 13, and that subjects the Land Commission to planning control, building byelaws and building regulations, and in that respect the Land Commission will be treated as a non-Crown body. The Land Commission will be acting within the planning system, and there will be no question of the Land Commission having powers to override planning decisions of the planning authorities. Finally, I turn to the other questions raised by the right hon. Gentleman and the hon. Lady the Member for Finchley (Mrs. Thatcher) on Tuesday with the regard to the position of the subject vis-à-vis the Land Commission. As I have said, the Crown Proceedings Act, 1947, revolutionised the position of the individual citizen in his dealings with the Crown. It headed a whole new era in Crown law. It gave the subject a remedy as of right to get to the Crown, both in tort and in contract, and so far as the procedure in regard to litigation is concerned, as a result of that Act, broadly speaking, the procedure governing litigation in subjects applies now as far as possible to civil proceedings by or against the Crown. So since that Act, which seems to have worked fairly justly, the Crown is, in effect, in substantially the same position as any other litigant, and such differences as were referred to by the hon. Lady do not necessarily place the Crown at an advantage, curiously enough, [column 119]as I have found out since I have been in my present office. 11.0 a.m. The first matter that the hon. Lady dealt with was this, that if a servant of the Land Commission is deemed to be a servant of the Crown, there are very severe limitations on the right to sue in contract. Section 1 of the Crown Proceedings Act gives a right of action in any case where before that Act a claim might have been enforced by petition of right. Under that remedy—and that is still available to the subject—not only a debt or liquidated damages arising under a contract but also damages for breach of contract can be recovered against the Crown. It is quite true that there are some exceptions to the contracts in respect of which that right of action will lie. I think, however, that the only one of importance relates to contracts of service with the Crown. Servants employed by the Land Commission, like other civil servants, will have no right of action against the Land Commission in respect of any claim arising under a contract of service with them, but, as has been said, since the servants of the Land Commission will be civil servants, whose interests are protected in other ways, it does not seem that the position of the Land Commission in contract will be substantially different from that of any non-Crown body. The second point that the hon. Lady made was put in this way: Servants of the Crown and the Crown are liable in tort only in very limited circumstances. If I may say so with respect, that is an excessively limited way of describing the obligations of the Crown in tort. The position as I see it is that, since the Crown Proceedings Act, the Crown is subject to liability in tort to much the same extent—subject to limitations which I do not think are of importance in the context of the work of the Land Commission—as that to which the Crown would be subject if it were a private person. It is quite true that Section 2(1) of the Crown Proceedings Act provides that the Crown is not liable unless the act or omission of the servant or agent would, apart from the provisions of the Act, have given rise to a cause of action. I confess that I find the proviso somewhat difficult to understand—the object [column 120]is not entirely clear—but, apparently, to a no less learned authority than the hon. Member for Buckinghamshire, South (Mr. Ronald Bell)—the author of a treatise on Crown proceedings, which I will most glady lend to the hon. Lady for further study and research in this fascinating field—the proviso is intended merely to enable the Crown to avail itself of such defences as “act of state” . Whether that enlightens the Committee I doubt very much. The exceptional cases which were referred to in the passage which the hon. Lady mentioned—and I congratulate her upon her researches in this field—and which were referred to in the Hood Phillips quotation, are cases like Broom v. Morgan where the plaintiff is the husband and the servant, the tort feasor, for whom the defendant is sought to be made liable is the wife. The Committee will remember that case, in which the defendant was the licensee of the “Bird in Hand” in Hampstead and she employed the plaintiff, Mrs. Morgan, and her husband. The husband employee, unfortunately, left the front door of the “Bird in Hand” open, purely by negligence, of course, and the unfortunate lady fell through the open door and down the shaft. She sued her employer and, although she could not have sued her husband in tort, she was held capable of suing her husband's employer by reason of his vicarious liability. I suppose that some ingenious mind could conjure up out of the vasty deep some kind of similar situation affecting the Land Commission. I find it difficult to think of any myself. I doubt whether it could arise even in regard to the present Ministry of Transport, but I must not pursue that fascinating theme; otherwise I shall get into trouble with my right hon. Friend. As to the position of a subject injured by a tort committed by an officer of the Land Commission in the course of his employment, which concerned the hon. Lady, as I see it, the subject's position is not altered by the Land Commission being a Crown body. An action can be brought against any servant of the Crown in his personal capacity, for a tort committed in his official capacity, since, as the doctrine of the law is that the Crown can do no wrong, a servant of the Crown can never plead the Crown's authority [column 121]as a defence. With regard to criminal sanctions, to which the hon. Lady referred, of course the position is the same with regard to an officer of the Land Commission as to any other individual citizen. He can be prosecuted in the same way as any other subject. Perhaps I may say something about Crown privilege. I ventured to say earlier that some of these alleged privileges that attach to the Crown are in practice, as I have found to my surprise, not really an advantage at all. The doctrine is asserted. A litigant wants to see a document. In the name of Crown privilege, production is refused in the public interest of maintaining confidentiality, and very often the production of the document would destroy the case of the plaintiff or the complainant. I unfortunately cannot give any illustration of this in Committee, but I would gladly give it privately in confidence to anyone who is interested in illustrations. The fact is that the doctrine of Crown privilege has been maintained until now by successive Governments and Law Officers in the interests of maintaining confidentiality of communication between civil servants and between civil servants and Ministers. But, as the right hon. Gentleman and some other members of the Committee have pointed out, the doctrine is certainly not received in the courts with any enthusiasm, as I have discovered through painful experience in trying to assert it. In various cases like the Grosvenor case and others there has been a considerable narrowing-down of the doctrine since it was enunciated in all its breadth by Lord Simon in Duncan v. Cammell Laird. If the Committee is seriously anxious about this, I might inform it that Lord Pearson is now presiding over a committee dealing with whole law of evidence, with particular reference to Crown privilege, and it may therefore be that we shall see some new approach to this problem, to which of course the Government will pay very sympathetic regard. Perhaps I may repeat the point that has already been made, that when the Parliamentary Commissioner operates the provision of the Bill deals expressly with his power to have access to all documents, save those where the security of the State is involved, and he will not be inhibited by the doctrine of Crown privilege. [column 122]Therefore, I hope that that aspect of the matter may not be thought to invest the subject with any real difficulty. Finally, the hon. Lady suggested that the subject suffers disadvantages in seeking to obtain relief against the Crown, but the position is that, subject to two exceptions, the court may make any such order against the Crown as it may make against the subject. The first exception is that an injunction or an order for specific performance cannot be granted against the Crown, but what the court does have power to do is to make an order declaratory of the rights of the parties and, of course, the court's declaratory order is immediately obeyed by the Crown Department concerned. The hon. Lady seems to think that an order for specific performance or an injunction would be more effective. I doubt it. The court can make the order, but, unhappily, it does not follow that it will always be complied with, and the Crown Departments will surely not require a threat of committal proceedings in order to secure compliance with the order of the court. No such clash has arisen or is likely to arise. I think the second exception to which I should refer—and, on the face of it, it looks unattractive from the point of view of the Bill—is that an order for the recovery of land or the delivery of property may not be made against the Crown. Here again the court has precisely the same power to make an order declaring the plaintiff to be entitled as against the Crown or a Crown agent to the land, or to possession of it. That is just as effective, because what we are dealing with here are public authorities. I hope, therefore, that the Committee may think that the anxieties that have been expressed about the impact of the Bill and the status of the Land Commission as a Crown body will not adversely affect the rights of the subject, whose freedoms and whose rights the Government are most anxious to maintain. Mrs. Thatcher It certainly has been worth while getting into legal complications in order to get the Sir Elwyn JonesAttorney-General here to give us such a scholarly dissertation on the Crown Proceedings Act, a dissertation which is so much clearer than that provided in Halsbury. Perhaps in the next edition Halsbury will append a note to the commentaries on the Crown [column 123]Proceedings Act, setting out the Attorney-General's speech in full. As to the function of collecting revenue, I would accept that the people charged with the duty and responsibility of collecting it should be, and must be, Crown servants. But, as the Attorney-General may observe, or may have heard, we would delete that particular responsibility from the Land Commission. I in particular would do so, because I am familiar with the process of assessing and collecting tax operated by the Inland Revenue, and we are all familiar with the excellent appeal procedure and the independent tribunals and body of special commissioners, and so on, which act so very well in Inland Revenue cases. Therefore, if the task of collection of revenue is left in the Bill, I accept that the Crown privilege will have to remain, and the servants who operate it will have to be servants of the Crown. 11.15 a.m. But my argument proceeds on another basis: namely, that it should be no part of the job of the Land Commission to do a task which another Government Department is already far better fitted to do. I thought that the Attorney-General's arguments weakened considerably when he came to consider the other aspects of the work of the Land Commission. One observes immediately that as soon as one goes from the revenue function to the compulsory acquisition function, and some of the planning procedure, that is the point at which the protection of being a servant of the Crown is to some extent withdrawn by the Bill itself. What we ask is whether that withdrawal—under. I think, Clause 13—has gone far enough? The Attorney-General pointed out that one can always question Ministers of the Crown. One can indeed. One cannot, alas, compel them to answer a question, or, at any rate, to give an answer that does anything except sidestep the question. He mentioned the Bill setting up the Parliamentary Commissioner. My impression about that Bill—I have not been through it as carefully as I would wish—is that it entitled the Parliamentary Commissioner to inquire only into administrative faults. That is all. Also, it is beset with many conditions which will sometimes make it difficult for the Parliamentary Commissioner to give his [column 124]full conclusions either to Parliament or to the person who is inquiring about the mischief which has been done. Again, I would point out that if the Bill itself did not contain such devastating powers against the individual, particularly in the expedited planning procedures, there would probably have been no need for an Ombudsman at all. Members of Parliament are very well equipped to inquire into administrative faults. It is the stage beyond that that is difficult; and it is the stage beyond that which the Parliamentary Commissioner cannot carry out. I was very interested in the Attorney-General's method of skating round the proviso to Section 2 of the Crown Proceedings Act. It was that very proviso which I did not understand either. When he says that he does not understand it, I can well sympathise with him. But he is here to try to help us to understand it, and if he cannot understand it, I should have thought that it was perhaps somewhat dangerous to conclude that it was not damaging to the subject. The note to that Clause which occurs at the top of p. 49 of Halsbury's Statutes, 2nd edition, Vol, 6, entitled “No proceedings to lie” rather agrees with my interpretation of the proviso. It says: which I read before I came here last week but I have not got with me this week. I thought that our proceedings were getting to such a state that it would be simpler to adjourn to the Library, where the books would be more readily at hand. That was, of course, a very vexed proviso, and I note that even my hon. and learned Friend on this side who wrote a book about it has no more clear ideas about what it meant than the Attorney-General or perhaps lesser creatures, as myself. But it is an important proviso. There are a number of other comments which the Attorney-General made which are particularly important when we come on to the extensive powers of compulsory purchase and acquisition [column 125]which the Bill contains. They are extremely extensive; and they are of such a nature as to make the remedies of injunction and specific performance very important indeed. Take the case, for example, where the Land Commission acquires a part of a person's land, and part of the bargain is that there shall be an easement or right of way over that parcel which remains with the subject, and without the grant of that right of way the land remaining with the subject will be virtually useless for the purposes for which he requires it. Suppose that the Land Commission decided that it did not wish to grant that easement or right of way. As with subsection (4), the subject could not get a decree of specific performance. I doubt very much whether he could get a declaration of right—of the rights of the parties. He could most certainly get damages. But he does not want damages. He wants the right of way. That is a very specific case, vitally important in this Bill. What use would a declaration of right be when the Land Commission said, “No, we are not going to grant it” , and the court says, “The citizen is entitled to it” , and one cannot enforce against the Crown by any contempt proceedings? This is a very specific case, and I had hoped that the Attorney-General, with his most excellent staff, who have much wider knowledge of these matters, would have given us several specific cases of this kind where the subject is at a disadvantage. I am really asking him the following. There are already parts of the Bill—he mentioned Clause 13—where the protection of being a Crown servant is withdrawn from the Land Commission. Is he certain that this has gone far enough? Would it not be better, when one is dealing with compulsory purchase, that further protection should be withdrawn in a case such as the one I have already mentioned? The Attorney-General I submit that it is inconceivable that in a case where, if the defendant were an ordinary citizen, specific performance would be ordered or an injunction would be ordered, the court would not make a declaratory order if the defendant were a Crown Department. If in the circumstances that the hon. Lady has envisaged an order for specific performance would be available were the defendant not a [column 126]Crown body, I repeat that I think it is inconceivable that the Court would not make a declaratory order if the defendant were a Crown body. Of course the effect of a declaratory order by the court is instantaneous. Everybody goes scurrying quickly for shelter, and very quickly seeing that the declaratory order is carried out. Mrs. Thatcher Even in a specific case like this? I suspect that what would happen would be that the Land Commission would then issue another compulsory purchase order to take over the whole of the land, and damn the declaration so the subject would have nothing. The Attorney-General The Minister would be sacked. Mrs. Thatcher I hope the Frederick WilleyMinister would be sacked. But if the Minister would be sacked under those circumstances we really ought to sack him for taking such excessive powers now. I am certain that in a matter of a few weeks we shall have the ability to do so—although I wish him no personal harm at all, for I think that he is a very nice man. Another case where one might wish to take out an interim injunction would be where the Land Commission was attempting to acquire land under the expedited procedure. After the second appointed day, as I am sure the Attorney-General will know, the Land Commission has very extensive powers of compulsory acquisition, and it may well be that in the case, say, of a factory which has been set up in a development district with American capital, and which has applied for planning permission for an extension, the Land Commission could step in as soon as its planning permission was granted and acquire the land and land adjacent to it. In fact, it could acquire all the land and the factory. If in effect, those servants were not servants of the Crown, one could take out at any rate an interim injunction to prevent them from doing so until the full rights of the case had been heard. As I understand it, so long as they are servants of the Crown an injunction will not lie and one would have no rights; just at the point of time when one needed them their protection would be withdrawn. Again, one does not want damages; one wants to stop the expedited procedure and prevent the [column 127]declaration from taking effect. One would need an interim injunction in those circumstances. I have made a rather longer speech than I intended to do, but there are two other points. The Attorney-General has given a very interesting and amusing account of certain cases between husband and wife which were the only sorts of cases where Crown servants would be better off than the ordinary person. I would direct his attention to Twine v. Bean's Express Limited, 1946, 1 All England Reports, 202, at page 204—Mr. Justice Uthwatt—which was the case which I read in conjunction with the quotation I gave from page 658 of Hood Phillips, which is the case which is there referred to. Again, I do not have that book here today, but my recollection of the case is that this was a circumstance in which a private contractor lent a van with a driver to a Government authority, the kind of case one can imagine arising at Christmas time when the Post Office take over all sorts of extra vans and coaches. Whether or not it takes the driver over, I do not know, but in this case the contractor lent the driver to the Government body and the driver then took home another employee contrary to the instructions of the initial private employment. There was an accident, but the driver was acting in the services of the Crown and the Crown was held not liable to the passenger in circumstances where the private employer would have been liable. That is my recollection of the case, but it is a specific case when the Crown was not liable to a person who was injured in circumstances where the private employer would have been. My only other point is to ask the Joint Arthur SkeffingtonParliamentary Secretary to give us before we go very much further a specific assurance that the rates payable in Newcastle in respect of the office of the Land Commission to be situated there, or the rates payable anywhere else in respect of Land Commission offices, will be substantially the same as they would have been had the office not been an office of a Government Department. Perhaps my hon. Friend the Member for Newcastle-upon-Tyne, North (Mr. R. W. Elliott) wishes to press that point. Mr. R. W. Elliott I intended to ask for a guarantee following the point made by the Attorney-General in that the headquarters of the Commission are to be in Newcastle-upon-Tyne. I noticed what the Attorney-General said about the position under the Rating and Valuation Act 1935 under which Crown property, although not subject to rating in the normal way, is usually obliged on an ex gratia basis to make a contribution to the rates which would equal that which it would pay under the normal rateable position. I am sure that my hard-pressed constituents, hard-pressed from a rateable point of view when my City has an enormous and extensive development programme, will be relieved at the point which has been made by the Attorney-General. I simple seek a guarantee that the ex gratia payment would equal the amount of money which would be yielded from rating in the normal way. 11.30 a.m. The Attorney-General I do not know that I can add any further to what I have already said in regard to the rates position. I have little doubt that the obligations which have been customary in Crown bodies will be fulfilled. I do not think I can take it more expressly than that. I am sorry that I do not have with me the copy of the Report of the case of Twine v. Bean's Express to which the hon. Lady referred, but I would remind her that that was a case in 1946 and I should have thought that since the Crown Proceedings Act there would have been liability on the Crown in the circumstances of that case. Though I have not examined the case recently, I imagine that the situation is now protected by the 1947 Act. I have before me, however, the volume of the third edition of Hood Phillips on Constitutional and Administrative Law, and I note that in regard to the famous proprietor the authors take the view that the proviso may be intended to preserve such defences as act of State or acting under prerogative or statutory powers. Then there follow the words which the hon. Lady previously cited. I am satisfied that the exceptional cases where difficulties might arise would be even more exceptional [column 129]than usual with regard to the transactions of the Land Commission. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter First, I understood from what the Attorney-General said that we should be given some assurance on the rates point, on the intention to make a full payment in lieu. The Attorney-General—very properly, for he is not the responsible Minister—said that this was the normal practice, and almost invited us to press, as my hon. Friend for Newcastle-upon-Tyne, North (Mr. R. W. Elliott) has done, either the Minister, now he is here, or the Joint Parliamentary Secretary to give a full assurance in those terms. I would certainly not suggest that the Committee should come to a decision on the Amendment until we have had the assurance which we were invited to press for. Secondly, I must repeat, as the Minister is now here, the request I myself made earlier for an assurance in respect of the civil servants concerned. The right hon. Gentleman was not here, and so I must ask the Committee to bear with a repetition of that still unanswered question. On Tuesday the Joint Parliamentary Secretary told us that the reason for making the Commission a Crown body did not arise from the legal issues to which the Attorney-General has been referring, but in order that it might be operated by civil servants. I therefore asked, and repeat, the specific question: how many civil servants is it proposed to transfer to the Land Commission within the total of 2,000 staff, whom the Parliamentary Secretary, I think it was, told us it was intended to employ? Secondly, is it intended to use compulsion to secure the transfer of such civil servants, or will the vacancies be dealt with on a voluntary basis? Does it involve the physical movement of civil servants—and, if so, how many—from their present homes to Newcastle or to the regional headquarters? Have discussions been going on with the staff associations? What stage have they reached? What steps are being taken to protect the career prospects of civil servants who, either voluntarily or compulsorily, are transferred to the Commission, in the event of the Commission being wound up? These are very important matters for a considerable number of staff and, as we [column 130]have been told that the real reason for this Clause is to permit the employment of these staffs, I think we are entitled to press the Minister very hard to tell us what his intentions are. The only other thing I wish to do at this stage is to thank the Attorney-General for his very interesting discussion of the law. I am bound to say that at one time I thought he was going to alarm his hon. Friends when he seemed to me to be trying to prove too much, and to prove that Crown status was a positive disadvantage in litigation. As his hon. Friends presumably—though their enthusiasm seems to be diminishing—wants a Crown Land Commission, I should have thought he probably rather alarmed them. But it did emerge, I think to all Members of the Committee, lay and legal alike, that there could be situations in which the deliberate conferring of Crown status by this subsection on the Commission will involve disadvantages to the citizen who is in dispute with the Commission. This fact clearly emerged, for all the assurances and for all the clarity of the Attorney-General's speech. Therefore, we are still left with these issues, that on the law it is proposed to give the Commission powers and privileges in excess of those enjoyed by an ordinary body, by the ordinary citizen. That, of course, seems wrong. We await an assurance on rates, which I do not doubt will be forthcoming and, therefore, I will not waste time about it at the moment. Finally, we seek an assurance on the position of the public officials concerned, for which I have already asked in the absence of the Minister, and I have repeated the question as briefly as I can in his presence. The Joint Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Land and Natural Resources (Mr. Arthur Skeffington) I hope that the Committee will permit me to reply to some of the points that have been raised, and I am sure that my right hon. Friend will be willing to answer any subsidiary questions which the right hon. Member for Kingston-upon-Thames (Mr. Boyd-Carpenter) may wish to ask. My right hon. and learned Friend the Attorney-General gave not only the legal position but details of the normal practice in relation to rates. I am happy to [column 131]say that it is fully intended that the Commission should follow the normal practice; that is, the practice that has always applied in these cases. An ex gratia payment is made, but it is equivalent to what the rates would have been in respect of a normal undertaking. The staff employed by the Commission will be public servants. The transfer of the civil servants will follow the normal practice and, as the right hon. Member for Kingston-upon-Thames is aware, this is not the first occasion when staff have been transferred. I recall that he was, certainly in part, responsible when he was Minister for the transfer of a considerable number of staff, I believe to his hon. Friend's constituency in one case. At any rate, these arrangements have been well tested and the normal practice will apply here. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter Of course, there is a great distinction between this transfer and the transfer to which he referred, which was the physical transfer of an existing Department involving no change of the Department or the transfer of officials to a new organisation involving their employment by a new employer. Mr. Skeffington I was not making the point that it was exactly identical, but I was saying that the normal, well-tried arrangements which have been used in general in this matter will operate in this case. The right hon. Gentleman asked whether or not these people would be directed and compelled to serve. It is hoped that all the transfers will be on a voluntary basis. Of course, as the right hon. Gentleman knows, any public servant, when he accepts service, is liable to serve wherever the Crown pleases, but no difficulty is anticipated in filling these posts on a voluntary basis. Indeed, the indications are that a considerable number of civil servants will like to transfer and to undertake this work. At this stage there is certainly no difficulty anticipated. The whole of the setup, of course, has been and is being worked out very fully with the Treasury, including, of course, the active participation of the Organisation and Methods Department. The Treasury, of course, will, as it normally does have had consultations with the staff associations. This again is a [column 132]wellknown procedure, of which I know the right hon. Gentleman is well aware. There may be some cases, of course, where public servants will be asked to move. Again, my information is that there is no dearth of applicants who very often want to move out from London and other centres, and we do not anticipate any difficulty there. Of course, where a home is being transferred and removal expenses arise, these are normally met by the Treasury, and they will be so met in this case. I hope that I have satisfied the right hon. Gentleman on these points. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter If I understand the hon. Gentleman right, though he hopes to fill these vacancies in the Land Commission voluntarily, he is not giving us an assurance that compulsion will not be used. Am I right? Mr. Skeffington I do not think that it is given to me, at this stage to read the crystal. I can only give the indications on the information that has been given to me. The indications are that we have a large number of persons who will be willing to be transferred. I do not think it would be right or proper for me to go beyond that. On the other hand, I cannot agree with the negative approach of the right hon. Gentleman. I think that might be doing a disservice to the civil servants involved. All I can give is the information that I have, which, on the whole, optimistic. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for the information. The position is clear, that he declines to give an assurance that he will not use compulsion. Mr. John Wells Could I ask the Minister a brief question? He gave a Written Answer yesterday, which is reported in col. 119 of the Official Report, dealing with the kindred matter of extra staff for the Ordnance Survey. Will the extra staff which will be directly concerned with the work which will arise out of this Bill be recruited in the same way? The Minister of Land and Natural Resources (Mr. Frederick Willey) I apologise for not being here at the beginning of our proceedings. The right hon. Gentleman, I know, appreciates that it is sometimes difficult for a Minister to attend the whole of the proceedings, and I have, unfortunately, been in this [column 133-134]difficulty once or twice. I am sorry for not being here for the whole of our discussion. On the Ordnance Survey point, the answer is “No” . It is not related to the issue that we are discussing now. Question put, That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Clause: The Committee divided: Ayes 10, Noes 8. Division No. 4.] Dunnett , Jack Fletcher , Ted (Darlington) Harrison , Walter (Wakefield) Hart , Mrs. Judith Howie , W. Johnson , James (K'ston-on-Hull, W.) Manuel , Archie Mapp , Charles Skeffington , Arthur Willey , Rt. Hon. Frederick Box , Donald Boyd-Carpenter , Rt. Hn. J. Elliott , R. W. (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne, N.) Farr , John Noble , Rt. Hn. Michael Onslow , Cranley Smith , John Thatcher, Mrs. Margaret Question proposed, That the Clause stand part of the Bill. 11.45 a.m. Mr. John Farr We have had a long discussion on this Clause, and we were grateful that when the last Amendment was being discussed we had the right hon. and learned Gentleman the Attorney-General with us. He gave many answers to the questions which had been asked by the Opposition Front Bench. I hope that I may be excused for intervening for a moment, but we have had such high-power discussions between the Front Benches all morning, that together with the large number of complicated books of reference which have been trotted out by one side and another, a complicated Measure has been made even more complicated to those who have not the benefit of experience at the Bar. Generally speaking, as a back-bench member of the Committee, I have not been at all satisfied with some of the explanations which we have been given by Ministers. We were given an assurance—and it took a bit of getting from the Parliamentary Secretary—that the Land Commission, which is to have headquarters in Newcastle, would pay an annual sum equivalent to the rates which would be paid if it were rateable. Why can they not do this in the normal way and pay rates in the same way as any other industrial concern or individual? The Parliamentary Secretary said that the Commission would pay a sum equivalent to that which would be paid by them if they had been rated. I only hope that that equivalent goes up at the same rate as that at which the annual rates of individuals and individual companies have been going up in recent years. Last year, for instance, rates all over the country went up by over 14 per cent. I hope that the equivalent which the Land Commission will pay on the office in Newcastle, and on the other sub-offices, will keep pace with this annual rate of increase which everybody else is having to face. I also thought that the Attorney-General, who, I regret to see, is not with us now, made a very weak reply to the question of Crown privilege. He treated it in his usual charming and courteous manner, but, If I may say so, he appeared to some of us to treat the whole matter with a little too much frivolity; he had rather too much of a debonair air about him. It is a very serious joint and I, for one, was not at all satisfied when he said, “Very often the production of a certain document by the Crown would destroy an applicant's case.” Of course, I do not question what he says, but normally an applicant would not request the production of such a document if he knew that it would damage his case. Although it may be obvious sometimes that the production of this document would damage an applicant's case, in the vast majority of cases it is to the applicant's disadvantage for the document not to be produced. Nor did the Attorney-General deal at all effectively with the protection of the individual under this Clause. He referred to some Measure which had been introduced into the House—The Parliamentary Commissioner Bill—which, as my hon. Friend the Member for Finchley (Mrs. Thatcher) rightly said, empowers the [column 135]Ombudsman to inquire only into administrative faults and complaints. That is not good enough to deal with the fundamental questions which affect the rights of the individual and which have been raised by this Bill. Anyhow, the Parliamentary Commissioner Bill is a very long way indeed from being on the Statute Book. Whether it is introduced by a Labour Government—— The Chairman Order. It is because it is a long way from the Statute Book that it is out of order to discuss it too much in this debate. Mr. Farr Mr. Hynd, with the greatest respect, the reference to the Parliamentary Commissioner Bill was almost the sole argument which the Attorney-General put forward in reply to a question asked by my right hon. Friend the Member for Kingston-upon-Thames (Mr. Boyd-Carpenter). The Chairman It may be mentioned in passing, but I thought that the hon. Gentleman was embarking upon an argument about the Bill. Mr. Farr No. I would not do that, Mr. Hynd, although I confess that I am not at all enamoured with that Bill. I was just, en passant, stating that I thought that it would be of very little use or assistance to any objector to a specific machination resulting from the Land Commission Bill. One thing which has disturbed me very much is that the Government Front Bench quite airily, when questioned by my right hon. Friend about the matter of paying taxes, said, “Of course, the Land Commission will not pay any taxation as the whole of their proceeds will accrue to the Exchequer, and it would be superfluous to pay Income Tax or any other form of taxation under those conditions” . No doubt, as we have that assurance, all the proceeds from and receipts of the Land Commission will accrue to the Exchequer. But there will be very considerable expenses and outgoings by the Land Commission. If this great conglomeration of a body ever comes into existence, I expect that in the first year or two the expenses of establishing a new office, recruiting a staff of up to 2,000 and all the other necessary expenses will far exceed the receipts. [column 136] Generally speaking, people in this country distrust this Bill [Interruption.] particularly those whom I have the privilege to represent and who live in the countryside, who regard it as a quite unnecessary Measure. It is like introducing a sledge-hammer to crack a nut. Personally, I am dissatisfied not only with the objects of this Clause but also with the explanations which have been given by the Government Front Bench, and I shall do my utmost to oppose the whole of the Bill. Mrs. Thatcher This is a very important Clause—the Clause which sets up the Land Commission. I should like to spend a few minutes questioning whether a Land Commission is necessary, or even desirable, in order to achieve the objectives behind the Bill. I notice that nowhere in the White Paper, nor in the Bill itself, is the case for a land Commission argued at all. It is assumed—and assumptions usually have to be made in the absence of any real arguments, because if one has any real arguments one can usually put them. The White Paper merely states that because the Government want to collect a levy and because they want to acquire land to see that it is ready for development, therefore they must have a land Commission. But the “therefore” does not, in fact, follow at all. During Second Reading, either the Frederick WilleyMinister or the Arthur SkeffingtonParliamentary Secretary waved a newspaper article at my right John Boyd-Carpenterhon. Friend and myself across the Floor of the House, entitled “Land: Labour's Fair Deal.” This article was by Alan Day in the Observer. The Minister quoted that article in support of his contention that a Land Commission was necessary and desirable in order to achieve these specific objectives, but the penultimate paragraph of that article—which he said supported the principle of the Commission up to the hilt—started in this way: There is a journalist, quoted as supporting these objectives, who queries the very necessity for the Clause and for a Land Commission at all. [column 137] We on this side of the Committee also put some queries, and the first—whether the Land Commission is necessary at all—is most important. A number of other newspapers took up the same cry. The Birmingham Post of 23rd September, 1965, called the proposal for a Land Commission “A crafty proposal” . The Times of Monday, 31st January, in its leading article took up the same point: Commentator after Commentator has made this point, and the Minister will know that local authorities, too, are also very worried about it. The right hon. Gentleman knows our views about the levy very well. As part of the machinery of the Inland Revenue will be used, it does not seem necessary to have a Land Commission at all for that purpose. Another question is: is it necessary to have a Land Commission to exercise the compulsory purchase powers? My hon. and learned Friend the Member for Kensington, South (Mr. Roots) deal with this argument during Second Reading, and a number of other commentators have made the same point: if more extensive powers for compulsory purchase are required, it is not necessary to set up a Land Commission to do it because every bit of land within the United Kingdom must already come within the purview of one standing authority or another. The right hon. Gentleman will be aware that many commentators have been worried that land acquisition is divorced from planning land use. Planning land use still remains the sole charge of the local planning authorities. The right hon. Gentleman will be aware of the massive number of bodies which already have powers of compulsory acquisition. We are asking, why set up another one, when there are already plenty of bodies to exercise these powers? For example, various Government Departments, the Services, the Ministry of Transport, the Postmaster-General, the Ministry of Agriculture and the Home [column 138]Office already have extensive powers. Under the second heading are the county councils, the county borough and borough councils, urban and rural district councils and parish councils. Under the third head are all statutory undertakers, the electricity and gas boards, and water undertakings. Fourth, we have development corporations; fifth, nationalised undertakings, such as British Railways, the National Coal Board, British Waterways and London Transport Board; sixth, the drainage boards; seventh, the river authorities; eighth, the police authority; ninth, the Prison Commissioners; tenth, the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority; eleventh, the Housing Corporation; twelfth, the constructors of pipe lines; thirteenth, companies, organising permanent track; fourteenth, the Nature Conservancy. Already these people have powers of compulsory purchase. Why add No. 15, the Land Commission? I understand that one of the main reasons is to secure that land is available to be brought forward for particular use. The Minister is already aware what certain of the local authorities think about that argument. It is their job to designate the use of the land. They are not short of powers, and a comparatively small amendment to Sections 67 and 68 of the Town and Country Planning Act, 1962 and also of the relevant provisions of the Housing Act, 1957 could serve to give them any additional powers which they may need and would keep land acquisition and planning of land use together within the same authority. What they are short of, however, is either money or loan sanction. I believe that if one wants to strengthen local authorities, one should wish to give them those powers and not to diminish their powers in connection with planning land use. I agree very much with the speech of the Town Clerk of Manchester at the Town and Country Planning Association Conference when he commented on the system of a Land Commission and pointed out that the local authority would still have to keep all their staff to acquire land, because they have to go ahead now with acquiring the land for planning a larger number of houses up to 1970. They will have to keep the staff. They have the staff there. But they will be competing with the Land Commission [column 139]for the comparatively small number of skilled staff available. They will have to compete with the Land Commission for staff. We therefore come to the crux of the Bill: is a Land Commission necessary? Nowhere has the case been made out. Perhaps the Minister will make it out this morning. 12 noon. Mr. Willey This matter was argued and decided on Second Reading. The hon. Lady the Member for Finchley (Mrs. Thatcher) said, quite rightly, that we know her views. She quoted the Town Clerk of Manchester, who, in fact, talked through his hat. Mrs. Thatcher I do not think so. Mr. Willey His talk indicated that he had certainly not read the Bill. Mrs. Thatcher That is an astonishing thing to say. Mr. Willey If the hon. Lady will read some of the remarks made by the Town Clerk, she will be driven to the same conclusion as that to which I have been driven. The main argument—whether a Land Commission is necessary—has been argued for a very long time. We set out in the White Paper exactly what are the Government's main objectives. They are to secure that the right land is available at the right time for the implementation of national, regional and local plans: and, secondly, to secure that a substantial part of the development value created by the community is returned to the community and the burden of the cost of land for essential purposes reduced. We believe that this has been argued very fully, Mr. Hynd, and that to achieve these objectives we need a body such as the Land Commission. I suspect, having looked at the Order Paper, that we shall have a later opportunity to discuss the argument which the hon. Lady deployed about the use of the Inland Revenue. We are making use of the Inland Revenue because we do not believe in duplicating the work of the staff. But the Inland Revenue could not undertake the work even of the collection of the levy. The levy is a balancing device to avoid two-tier prices. [column 140] The Land Commission's purpose is to secure that we get land for development at a reasonable price and to secure that the right land comes forward for this development when it is required. It would be quite inappropriate for a body such as the Inland Revenue to have powers of compulsory purchase. But these powers would have to be granted in order to serve the purposes which I have defined. May I put a question to the Opposition: are the right hon. Gentleman and his hon. Friends upset by the squalid racket of land prices? If they are, they had better tackle it resolutely. They have not done this. The minute they knew that we intended to introduce legislation to establish a Land Commission, they said, in the most ambiguous way, that they, too, were in favour of a levy. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter On a point of order. Would it be in order for subsequent speakers on this Motion to discuss the Conservative Party's proposals for land? I should like to know, because I can then prepare somewhat lengthy observations on the subject. The Chairman The only question which is in order at the moment is whether the Clause should or should not stand part of the Bill. Mr. Willey The right hon. Gentleman spoke of the Conservative Party's proposals. This would be an interesting revelation, because we have not yet heard what they are. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter On a point of order. If the hon. Gentleman persists in this line, I take it, Mr. Hynd, that you will allow me and others the right to reply to him—otherwise the right hon. Gentleman is attempting to abuse the Rules of this Committee. Mr. Willey It is entirely in your hands, Mr. Hynd. I would say that the issue here is that which was decided on Second Reading: are we serious about dealing with the scandal of land prices? Are we serious in believing that land ought to come forward for development in a better way than that in which it is coming forward now? The hon. Lady says that the powers already exist with local authorities. The point is that they have not been exercised. This is a matter which we have debated in the past, and [column 141]there are reasons why the local authorities have found it difficult, if not impossible, to use their powers to help development. But the issue, in short, Mr. Hynd, is the issue which we decided on Second Reading. The Government are determined to deal with the scandal of land prices—— Chairman Order. I must remind the Minister that the issue at the moment is whether this should be done by a Land Commission or not. We are debating the Clause. Mr. Willey As to that, Mr. Hynd, I believe that the appropriate way to do this is to establish a Land Commission. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter My hon. Friend the Member for Finchley (Mrs. Thatcher) put, in the most serious terms, on this Clause which sets up the Land Commission, a very powerful argument why there should not be a Land Commission, and therefore why this Clause should not stand part of the Bill. No one could pretend—not even the right hon. Gentleman's greatest admirer—that he made any attempt whatever to reply to that argument. Indeed, he simply said: it was decided on Second Reading. The right hon. Gentleman is quite wrong on that. Unless he regards this Committee as just an instrument for counterstamping the decisions of the Government, the issue is open in this Committee, and if the Government have sufficient interest in the Bill to keep Parliament sitting long enough for it to go through further stages, it will be the responsibility and duty of hon. Members at all stages to decide just this issue. If the right hon. Gentleman thinks that he will forward the case for his Bill by abandoning an attempt at argument and just saying that it was decided on Second Reading, he is showing an ignorance of the customs of this House which is surprising even in him. The right hon. Gentleman went further than this. Not only did he attempt to raise broader issues which, Mr. Hynd, subject to your Ruling, I cannot follow, but he also thought fit to include in his speech an attack of an eminent public official who is in no position to reply to him. This is a very low level of Ministerial conduct. This official in question has infinitely more experience of these matters than the Minister has or [column 142]ever will have. He is a man held in the highest regard by members of all political parties. I have here the text of his speech at the very eminent body where it was delivered. For the right hon. Gentleman to get up and say that this gentleman was talking through his head is a most astonishing Ministerial performance. The right hon. Gentleman would better serve the dignity of his office and his own reputation if he would withdraw that remark. But the one thing one which apparently we cannot teach the right hon. Gentleman is taste—— Mr. Manuel On a point of order. I wonder, with respect, Mr. Hynd, whether we are to spend our time on personal attacks from the Front Benches or whether we are to get on with the purpose of the Clause? Mr. Boyd-Carpenter Further to that point of order. The question arose from a personal attack made by the right hon. Gentleman on an eminent public official who is in no position to reply. The right hon. Gentleman may make as many attacks as he likes upon those who can reply, but—subject to your Ruling, Mr. Hynd—he made such an attack contrary entirely to the standards of Ministerial conduct in this House, and those of us who disagree with his behaviour are entitled to reply. The Chairman Order. The Minister expressed an opinion which seemed to me to be not out of order, in a Parliamentary sense. The right hon. Gentleman made a comment on that. I think that we can leave it at that. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter I think that public opinion, too, Mr. Hynd, will leave it at that, and I know where public opinion will stand about a Minister who behaves in this way. The right hon. Gentleman then dealt in the most airy way with my hon. Friend's serious suggestion that this levy could be collected by the Inland Revenue. He just said, “It couldn't be done.” Does he recall that on Second Reading, when he was challenged he disputed that this could be done, he made no challenge to the proposition that it could perfectly well be done by the Inland Revenue? Is he prepared to tell us why he thinks that this Department, which collects some £3,000 million of revenue from an enormously wide variety of taxes, including [column 143]taxes very closely analogous to this—such as Capital Gains Tax and Estate Duty—cannot undertake this collection. He is right in saying that it would be foolish to give the Inland Revenue, in addition, compulsory purchase powers. But if he had listened to the argument, he would know that the argument of my hon. Friend was that it was not necessary to give either the Revenue or the Commission compulsory purchase powers because all the land in question could perfectly well be dealt with by the compulsory purchase powers of the central Government, the New Towns Corporations and other public bodies, and, above all, by the local authorities. And it is a travesty of argument on the part of a Minister supposed to be in charge of a Bill that when he does come here, all he says is that something is impossible which he accepted as possible on Second Reading. Without substantiating any arguments at all, he simply says that a body which collects £3,000 million of taxation in a wide variety of ways cannot do this collection. He intends to use this body, anyhow. Does he believe that he will get a separate set of valuers for the Commission? Perhaps he would tell us from where they are to come. We all know that there is the greatest shortage of valuers and that he will have to use the Valuation Department of the Inland Revenue. He is using their Valuation Department. Why cannot he use their local offices for collection? What practical reason is there? The real reason is that the Labour Party put in their Manifesto that they were going to set up a Land Commission and, as they have broken practically every other pledge, they thought that they ought to try to honour this pledge, at any rate in name. That seems the only rational and understandable argument, and it is at least a much better argument than the right hon. Gentleman's comment, “It can't be done” . I will come, if I may, to one or two detailed points on the Clause. We have not discussed at all, so far, Mr. Hynd, subsection (1), the body of Commissioners. I appreciate that detailed discussion of that must await the time, if it ever comes, when we reach the First Schedule to the Bill, but there are some preliminary questions of major importance which arise on [column 144]the Clause rather than on the Schedule. What sort of people, if the Bill becomes law, will the right hon. Gentleman appoint as Commissioners? In particular, will he appoint people of political impartiality or not? Will he follow the examples of the first Secretary of State and the Minister of Health and appoint. Labour Party supporters to public positions, or will he, in a highly controversial subject like this, appoint people without pronounced political predilections? If the hon. Gentleman the Parliamentary Secretary wants chapter and verse about the political appointments which Ministers are making, I shall be very happy to give it. He knows perfectly well the disgraceful conduct of the Government in this very respect. I want to know from the Minister whether he intends to follow this practice or whether he will follow a better practice, that of appointing impartial professional men and women. Will he appoint people from Scotland? Will he appoint professionally-qualified people? Mr. Charles Mapp On a point of order. It seems to me that the comments which we are hearing are irrelevant to the Motion. There are Amendments on the Order Paper to Schedule 1. Bearing in mind that subsection (1) merely sets up the body and that Schedule 1 fills in the details of numbers and so on, may I suggest that the right hon. Gentleman's comments on this aspect are out of order and should be left until we reach Schedule 1? 12.15 p.m. The Chairman The question whether it is better to discuss them now or under Schedule 1 is a matter of opinion. There is nothing out of order in asking questions about the body which is envisaged in subsection (1). Mr. Boyd-Carpenter I am obliged to you, Mr. Hynd, and I appreciate how embarrassing this subject is for the hon. Member and for his colleagues, but when we are asked to pass a subsection giving the Minister power to set up a body of Commissioners, it is a little startling that some hon. Members should appear to discourage my asking who and what sort of person the Minister intends to appoint. We shall be very happy, as I said, if we ever get to the First Schedule, to discuss particular aspects in detail [column 145]and in accordance with Amendments put down. I am now asking the general question as to the type of people the Minister would appoint. I hope that he will be frank with the Committee. Very few Departments, even newly-established Departments, proceed with a Measure of this sort without having very clearly in mind the names of possible people to approach and the type of people to approach. This is the point at which the Minister can illuminate us on this matter. We were told—it took a good deal of extracting, but we got it out eventually—that there would be a staff of 2,000 for the Land Commission. I think that rather shocked the House when it was stated during discussion of the Money Resolution and it shocked opinion outside. This is obviously going to be a very large bureaucracy. Can the right hon. Gentleman give us an assurance that it will in no circumstances exceed 2,000, or is this going to be like so many of the efforts of the present Administration, which expand and become more and more expensive, as was revealed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer's statement on the Vote on Account yesterday? Is the Minister prepared to give a firm assurance that the staff will not exceed 2,000, and will he tell us what this staff of 2,000 will, in fact, do, what duties they will perform? They are not apparently to do valuation; that, apparently, is still to be undertaken by the Inland Revenue. What are they going to do? Upon what duties will they be engaged? What ideas has he on this subject? As my hon. Friend said, we view this proposed Land Commission in a very critical way. No case has been made—and to the knowledge of the Committee the Minister did not even attempt it this morning—to justify creating it at all. No argument has been put forward for creating it. As my hon. Friend said, it duplicates the compulsory purchase powers of many other public authorities, and principally the local authorities, which are, after all, responsible to electorates. The Land Commission is sheltered, as a result of our decision on some of the earlier Amendments, from detailed Parliamentary criticism by Parliamentary ignorance of what it is doing. Not responsible, as local authorities are, to their electorates and to elected councils, it is [column 146]to be created with not merely the same powers of compulsory purchase as have local authorities—for here by hon. Friend understated the case; for if the Committee adopts Clause 8 and the Second Schedule, the Commission will have greater powers than are entrusted even to Ministers. For what object? The Minister says, “If you are serious about land prices, you must support the Commission.” Why? What evidence has he produced that this Commission will cheapen land prices? To begin with, someone will have to pay for the Commission itself and its staff and offices. They will ultimately be charged, will they not, on the price of land or on the taxpayer and therefore, through taxation, back to the same source? What reason is there to believe that setting up this body will cheapen land prices? I must not stray on to Clause 2 and Part III of the Bill, but it would be unique in our experience of taxation if a tax were to be imposed and to have the effect of cheapening the commodity on which it fell. There is no precedent in human history, as far as I know, for that. No doubt the right hon. Gentleman thinks that he can work miracles, but he has not told us how. Is it thought that this Commission will speed the bringing forward of land? Is it not possible that the knowledge that the Commission can compulsorily purchase any land on which a planning decision has been given will discourage owners of land from bringing forward land for planning permission and so making it available? If someone brings forward his land and gets planning permission, that, once the second appointed day has operated, exposes his land to compulsory purchase by the Commission to which it would not have been exposed had he not taken that step. That is overwhelmingly likely to discourage the flow of land for development. Does not the right hon. Gentleman see that the remedy for the high land prices which disturb us all is not to be found by setting up another competing body with compulsory powers? It is to be found in the old principles of the law of supply and demand, because the only answer in the face of the powerful demand that exists for land for housing, which is a good thing in itself, is to [column 147]increase the supply of land with planning permission. Does anybody believe that this Commission will have that effect? Is it not clear that it will have the opposite effect? Is it not clear that the real remedy is to be found not in the right hon. Gentleman and his tinpot Commission, not in any of the provisions of this Bill, but in the planning system that is administered by his far more powerful and influential colleague, the right hon. Gentleman the Minister of Housing and Local Government? That is where the remedy is to be found, in securing the supply of land available with planning permission, and practically every commentator on our Second Reading debate said just that. For the right hon. Gentleman to say blandly, as he did, “If you are serious about getting a supply of land for building, you must want the Bill” is a complete non sequitur. There is no logical intellectual justification for connecting the two things at all, and indeed, as I have said, the effect must be the exact opposite. The effect must be to inflate the price of land and to make it scarcer. Let us get it quite clear. That will be the effect of this Measure. The right hon. Gentleman knows in his heart that it will be. But as a political gimmick he nonetheless pursues this ridiculous Measure. Mr. Donald Box I am a comparative newcomer to this question of the Land Commission, and I have hesitated to intervene in the deliberations of this Committee so far because I felt I ought to get the feeling of the Committee before I did so. But to-morrow I shall be going to see my town clerk and, no doubt, he will ask me how the affairs of this Committee are proceeding, and I think he will be amazed when I tell him that the Minister, acting on behalf of the Government, has made the most astonishing attack on a very worthy colleague of his in the City of Manchester. I think we can assume that town clerks know sufficient about land and proposed Land Commissions to make statements which have some authority, and I think that in the remaining 35 minutes or so that we have to deliberate this matter, the Minister ought to reflect on the situation and withdraw this scurrilous statement before it is too widely reported. [column 148] One of the points the Minister made when he was speaking just now was that he thought the Land Commission would increase the supply of land. In my submission, the Land Commission is acquiring massive powers which are totally and completely unnecessary. I think we should throw out the idea of the establishment of a Land Commission, as outlined in Clause 1, for a number of reasons. First of all, I think the establishment of a Land Commission will mean more expensive homes and not cheaper ones. My right hon. Friend and many hon. Members on this side of the Committee have been at some pains to explain to the Committee that to put a levy or a tax on any item cannot possibly reduce the price of that particular item. I am not going into details about the levy, Mr. Hynd, because I think you would rule me out of order, but I think equally the Committee would agree that the levy is an integral part of the Land Commission and there would not be much purpose in having a Land Commission unless it was able to apply a levy as well. We are approaching Budget Day, and undoubtedly taxation will be increased very considerably. I defy anyone to tell me that any item which is subject to tax will go down in price, although it may become more plentiful in supply because fewer people will be able to purchase it. Secondly, I think the operation of a Land Commission, or the setting up of a Land Commission, will mean fewer homes. The mere publication of the scheme, which I believe took place last September, brought an immediate reaction from associations representing builders and trade employers. For example, the Federation of Building and Trade Employers pointed out in a statement as recently as 12th January last that How does the Minister square that up with his contention that this legislation is going to produce more land? I am afraid it will not produce any more land at all. It will freeze the existing supply and there will be very much less land available for development than hitherto. [column 149] Third, I think the establishment of the Land Commission will retard modernisation because the position, as I understand it, is that if an industrialist is fortunate enough to obtain planning permission to extend his premises, the levy becomes immediately payable. That seems an extraordinary way of encouraging industrialists to increase their modernisation. My fourth reason is that I think the Land Commission will cause a good deal of confusion and uncertainty. It seems that the setting up of this body may even require the notification of more or less all normal buying and selling of houses so that the authorities can find out whether there is a levy payable. Fifth, I think it will add to the taxpayer's burden. As my right hon. Friend very rightly pointed out, I think the estimated cost of administration will be something like £7 million a year—a very paltry sum, I recognise, under the plans of this spendthrift Government. They are going to start off with some £45 million of taxpayers' money to operate, and, as we heard, they are going to employ something in the order of 2,000 civil servants to operate the scheme. Quite recently there has been a similar case in which there was an increase of 2,000 civil servants in the City of Cardiff over a period of some three and a half years, although there has not been any increase in the population of the City. I wonder whether the local authority will have to employ more people so that they are able to cope with the way in which the Land Commission encroaches on the local authority's particular areas. Finally, I think the local authorities already have wide enough powers to acquire land where it is required for development. There is absolutely no need to duplicate these powers unless it is intended that the Land Commission should usurp the local functions. Those are the bases on which I hope the Committee will reject Clause 1. I am absolutely certain that the one thing the Land Commission will not do is increase the ready supply of land. In fact, it will do just the opposite. Mr. Michael Noble Mr. Hynd, you were very generous to Scotland at the beginning of the debate on this Clause, and therefore I do not want to keep this Committee for too long in [column 150]considering the same problems. But I was a little surprised, when the Minister made his short and not very relevant intervention, that he did not refer in any way to the interesting debate that we had at our first Sitting. I know he was busy, but I am sure he read the report of some of the debate afterwards. He omitted to say that the main reason why he and the Government have said that they wish to set up this Land Commission is that they have to get the land they want at the right time. This has never been a problem for any development that I am aware of in Scotland. In the earlier debate when I sought, without success, to save Scotland from the expense and lunacy of a good deal of what is in this Bill, the hon. Lady the Under-Secretary of State for Scotland in answering me quite clearly could not find an example of our having been in any difficulty in this sphere. The Minister enjoys using the phrase “squalid land prices” . We in Scotland have been remarkably free from any degree of squalidity. The cost of land, as a proportion of the cost of a house, 18 months ago when I was at the Scottish Office, was of the order of 5 per cent. That is a very tiny and perfectly respectable fraction of the cost of a house. The hon. Lady the Under-Secretary said that I was out of date, that since then it had been rising—she did not say “very steeply” —particularly in the central belt. I, at least, am not responsible for that. The whole purpose of her party's policy and of our party's policy is not to concentrate everything into the central belt of Scotland but to spread it around the other areas. We have the powers and we have the ability to do this; we have the land which we need, and it has been demonstrably shown that if the supply of land is adequate the cost does not become excessive. So there is not one single point of the Minister's speech which has any relevance to Scotland at all. I should like to make my final point quite shortly, because it may well be—none of us knows—that this is the last meeting that this Committee will ever have. Indeed, a good many of us hope that it is the last we shall ever hear of a Bill of this nature. The world is an uncertain place, and it is difficult to tell [column 151]whether we shall go on, day after day, debating this rather squalid Bill. The point that I would like the Minister to consider seriously, before we decide how to treat this Clause, is this: There is, without the slightest doubt, a great difference of approach to these problems in those areas of the country where there is a high rate of employment, a tremendous amount of development and great pressure on land. This is a totally different problem from that of the large parts of the country which have now been designated, or are to be designated in the legislation which the Government say they are going to bring forward, as development districts. The hon. Lady, when we were discussing the undoubted disincentive effect of a betterment levy on the expansion of industry in these areas, said that she would answer this point. When it came to her speech—I have studied it carefully—the only argument that she put against the disincentive effect of having to pay betterment levy for development on one's own land, if one is an industrialist, was that it would keep the price of land down. Of course, this is a perfectly fatuous argument. Quite apart from whether one side of the Committee or the other thinks that the price of land ought to be kept down by the action of this Bill, it is a totally irrelevant argument to the point that we were making. In this case, the developer himself owns the land. Therefore, there is no question of the price being higher or lower. He merely has to pay the levy on the land which he already owns. So there he is, and he is undoubtedly put in a disadvantageous position by the type of levy and the type of discrimination which takes place. I hope the Committee will feel that it is appropriate to oppose this Clause. I myself do so. I would willingly have exempted Scotland from it. I should like to have had our own separate Land Commission for Scotland, which I would hope would not be as ill-planned and ill-thought-out as this one has been for the whole country. As this may be the last occasion on which this Committee meets, I hope the Minister can give a proper explanation. Not one of the arguments that I have made against the Clause has been refuted by the Under Secretary. Local authorities [column 152]do not want it, owing to shortage of staff and so on. The Minister has had a shot, but he has not answered the points in any way. I am not too hopeful, but I hope he will try to explain why he has not set up this Commission in such a way as to deal with the objects which he regards as desirable. Mr. Willey I believe it will meet the convenience of both sides of the Committee if I now move “That the debate be now adjourned.” Mr. Boyd-Carpenter I certainly do not rise to oppose this Motion. If the right hon. Gentleman and his hon. Frends have lost interest in the Bill—— Mr. Willey On a point of order. It is surely an absolute breach of the rules that govern this Committee that when an approach is made to the Minister in charge of the Bill, a remark such as this should be made. The Chairman That is not a point of order. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter Nor have I made any approach to the Minister in charge of the Bill. So it is an irrelevant interjection as well. If the Government have lost interest in the progress of the Bill—— Mr. Archie Manuel This is quite shocking. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter ——if they realise that there is no purpose in going forward with a Measure which has been discredited—— Mr. Manuel Let us carry on. Mr. Willey The Motion is withdrawn. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter The right hon. Gentleman says the Motion is withdrawn. That shows a singular ignorance of the rules of procedure, singular even in him. If the Government have lost interest—— Mr. Manuel Let us carry on. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter ——then I see no reason why we should object. The Bill, as we now know, will never be law. The Bill is dead, and if the Government want to go to the funeral supper, I see no reason they should not. Mr. Willey An approach was made to me that it would meet the convenience [column 153-154]of Members on both sides of the Committee if we adjourned now because of a function which Members feel obliged to attend. It was for that reason that I moved the Motion. The right hon. Gentleman, I am sure, knew the purpose for which I moved it. In spite of the offensive remarks which he has made, I still move the Motion. Mr. Noble On a point of order, Mr. Hynd. I cannot find anybody who knows what this approach was about, or who wanted to adjourn the proceedings. I am sure it would help the Committee if we could be told. Mr. Skeffington I wonder if I could be of help? A number of hon. Members approached me before the Committee started today and said that it would be slightly inconvenient if the Committee were to sit till one o'clock because there is a luncheon of the Parliamentary Scientific Committee, an annual function, which many Members here would like to attend. I do not think the right hon. Gentleman was here at the beginning. I asked every Member, on both sides, who was here, if this would be agreeable, and I then mentioned it to the right hon. Gentleman. I gathered from him that he would not oppose the proposition. I would not have dreamed of doing it if I had not had the consent of all Members whom I was able to see before the Committee met. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter On that point of order, the Parliamentary Secretary has referred to me. He has given, as he knows, an incomplete account of our discussion. I told him that I would not oppose this Motion, and I have told the Committee that I do not oppose it. I did tell him that I would make some comments on it. The Parliamentary Secretary, in giving an account of this conversation, would have served Parliamentary tradition better if he had given the whole of it. I told him that I would make those comments; I have made them. They are legitimate. I hope they will be noted—and let the Parliamentary Secretary go to his funeral supper. Question put and agreed to.. Committee adjourned at twenty minutes to One o'clock till Tuesday, 1st March, 1966 at half-past Ten o'clock. The following Members attended the Committee: Mr. H. Hynd (Chairman.) Box , Mr. Boyd-Carpenter , Mr. Dunnett , Mr. Elliott , Mr. R. W. Eyre , Mr. Farr , Mr. Fletcher , Mr. Hamling , Mr. Harrison , Mr. Walter Hart , Mrs. Howie , Mr. Johnson , Mr. James Manuel , Mr. Mapp , Mr. Noble , Mr. Onslow , Mr. Skeffington , Mr. Smith , Mr. John Thatcher, Mrs. Wells , Mr. John Willey , Mr. The Attorney-General also attended. [column 155] Appendix 10.30 a.m. The Minister of Land and Natural Resources (Mr. Frederick Willey) I beg to move, That the Committee do now adjourn till Tuesday, 15th March at half-past Ten o'clock. I wonder, Mr. Hynd, whether you would allow me to express on behalf, I am sure, of the whole Committee our indebtedness to you for the courteous and helpful way in which you have conducted our procedure. Knowing that your intention is not to return to Parliament, may I also express our best wishes to you on your retirement, and as an old friend, a Member who has long served with you in the House of Commons, may I say what a great loss it will be to the House of Commons to lose such a courteous and intelligent Member. Hon. Members Hear hear. Mr. John Boyd-Carpenter This is a motion to adjourn to the Greek kalends. It would therefore be very appropriate for us to join the Minister in expressing to you, Mr. Hynd, the gratitude of my hon. Friends for the admirable way in which you have presided over our proceedings. You have given, if I may respectfully say so, an appearance of absolute fairness, absolute impartiality, and a most pleasing sense of humour, and though you may privately be relieved by this Motion of a fear that you would have to preside over us for what might have been a somewhat longer period, I am sure that all Members of the Committee will carry away with them, whatever other impressions they carry away, a most happy recollection of their Chairman. As the right hon. Gentleman said, you are, we are sorry to know, one of those who have decided to leave this place. In present circumstances there may be more leaving this [column 156]place than are at present aware of that fact, but you, Sir, at least have made up your own mind and have decided to terminate your long and honourable career, and I should like very sincerely to add my good wishes, and those of my hon. Friends, to those which the Minister expressed, and to wish you happiness in your retirement and that surprising exuberance of good health and return of youthfulness which seems to come to all who leave this place. One other matter arises from the fact that this Motion, which we do not oppose, brings to an end the discussions on the Bill. It is one of some practical importance on which, I hope, the Minister will have something to say. The Committee will recall that we have been proceeding on the basis that there would probably be an appointed day some time at the end of the year—I think December has been mentioned——and in that context the right hon. Gentleman has throughout made it clear that the provisions of the Bill, including both the levy and the threat of compulsory purchase, would apply to all transactions taking place since 23rd September of last year, the day of the White Paper. Whatever may happen, the time-table for an appointed day clearly has gone out of the window, and if events turn out elsewhere as they are likely to, there will be no Land Commission and the levy will appear in the ordinary way and subject to the ordinary principles of taxation. If, by some extraordinary mischance, they go otherwise, then this Bill, or something like it, plainly cannot be reintroduced until well into the month of May. The time-table which the Lord President of the Council gave us last night for re-assembly, with the State Opening on 20th March, followed by a debate on the Queen's Speech, followed, of course, by a belated Budget, means that however resourceful the right hon. Gentleman is with his colleagues, the Bill could not be under way until well into the summer, and quite plainly the timetable on which he has been working, in perfectly good faith, I have no doubt, has been frustrated. It is very important, therefore, if the flow of land for building is not in the interim to be interrupted, that the right hon. Gentleman should make it clear that retrospection back to 23rd September last [column 157]year will in no circumstances be insisted on. I think that he owes it to those outside, who have been put in some position of uncertainty by this relating back to 23rd September, and who should not have that aggravated by the fact that, for whatever reason, the Government have decided to take a step which means at the very least a considerable postponement of this, or indeed of any Measure. It is the wish of all of us, on both sides of the Committee, I am quite certain, that it should not be a by-product of this decision that the flow of land for development and for housing is interrupted. It is quite plain that there will be the inevitable uncertainties of a General Election period, but I think that it would be a great pity if the impression were left that in the event, however unlikely, of the right hon. Gentleman and his hon. Friends succeeding at the polls, there would be this long relating back, as it would prove to be, to the date of a White Paper in a previous Parliament which had lost all relevance in the light of the decision which we are taking today and the decision which the Prime Minister announced yesterday. If the right hon. Gentleman in another Parliament is in a position to go forward with this Measure, he will no doubt be in a position to select whichever date he thinks fit as the date from which these provisions should run. But it would, I think, be very wrong of him—and I should be surprised to see him take this line—to persist in a date which has become obsolete. If he would say here and now that, whatever happens, whatever subsequent legislation may or may not be introduced shall not bite on transactions from the period 23rd September until—shall we say—the assembly of the new Parliament, I think that he would be doing something, quite apart from party considerations, of very great practical advantage to the housing of our people. I hope, therefore, that before we accept this Motion and part with the matter the right hon. Gentleman will say something about this. On the broader question which results from this Motion I would only add three sentences. The decision which the Government have taken involves the sacrifice of the greater part of their legislative programme and the throwing [column 158]overboard of the work which has been done during the four or five months of this Session. It is for others, not for us, to judge whether that throwing overboard of so much legislation, at a moment which may be thought, however wrongly, to be of electoral advantage to the Government, is a responsible act to take. I will not comment on it here, but it is important that we should all realise that it is a fact. Mr. Willey I am greatly obliged to the right hon. Gentleman for raising this point. The Government have no fear of any extraordinary mischance. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter That is an admission! Mr. Willey I can assure the right hon. Gentleman that we shall adhere to our time-table. There is no reason for him to be concerned about this. We shall adhere to the time-table. The preparations for the Land Commission are well ahead and they will proceed smoothly during the General Election so that we can come back well able to keep to our original time-table. Mr. Boyd-Carpenter That is a preposterous statement. The right hon. Gentleman knows perfectly well that if any due regard has to be kept for the Parliamentary process, a time-table which may have looked possible, though a little bit tight, in respect of a Bill introduced in January, following a White Paper in the previous September, is obviously absurd in the case of a Bill which could not be introduced, at the earliest, until well into May. That must be so, otherwise why were these dates thought of in a January context? Therefore his reply was just a display of futile obstinacy. The right hon. Gentleman may well know in his heart that, as he will not be here to carry it out, it is all right for him to indulge in this attitude. I should have said, too, that he would be highly irresponsible if he were to incur further expense in preparation for a body which will not come into being, and that that may be a serious responsibility which attaches to him. He has indicated that that is what he proposes to do, and he has been warned that that is a serious responsibility for him to take. But on the narrow point which I raised, which I beg the Committee to [column 159-160]realise is of very great practical importance, all of us who want to see nothing happen which will interfere with or prevent the present building programmes know that to talk about adhering to the present programme, to talk about relating back the provisions of some future Bill to what will be then many months back in a previous Parliament, is simply playing with a serious matter. It confirms the view which many of us have been forming—that the right hon. Gentleman simply does not understand the issue. The Chairman May I first thank the Minister and the right hon. Member for Kingston-upon-Thames (Mr. Boyd-Carpenter) for the very kind remarks which they made. I have mixed feelings about the Committee adjourning today because I thought that I had a job for life. However, all things come to an end, and I think that the most appropriate thing for me to say is “Morituri te salutamus” . Question put and agreed to. Committee adjourned accordingly at Nineteen minutes to Eleven o'clock till Tuesday, 15th March, 1966, at half-past Ten o'clock. The following Members attended the Committee: Hynd, Mr. H. (Chairman) Alldritt, Mr. Boyd-Carpenter, Mr. Dunnett, Mr. Elliott, Mr. R. W. Harrison, Mr. Walter Hart, Mrs. Howie, Mr. Johnson, Mr. James Manuel, Mr. Mapp, Mr. Skeffington, Mr. Thatcher, Mrs. Wells, Mr. John Willey, Mr. Williams, Mr. Clifford Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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speech etc amendment propose february page line leave subsection mr boydcarpenter question propose mr william hamle committee rise tuesday deal argument amendment particularly benefit right hon learn friend attorneygeneral glad mr john boydcarpenter hear hear mr hamle help right hon hon member opposite difficulty understand law matter recapitulate argument remind committee main function commission assess collect levy executive function servant crown hon member opposite say job board inland revenue tell commission branch board inland revenue objection raise hon lady member finchley mrs thatcher servant crown fall hon member opposite contradictory attitude speech mutually contradictory mrs margaret thatcher way levy collect land commission good deal william hamlinghon gentlemans argument fall mr hamle hon ladys objection servant crown sue tort apply servant crown column levy hon lady mind want lawyer committee know impression crown proceeding act cover objection mrs thatcher mr hamle remind act pass postwar labour government collection revenue estimation important function land commission argue function carry board inland revenue surely function commission appropriate body hon ladys objection case cover bill come house parliamentary commissioner bill cite evidence committee good government try ensure subject crown legal disability visàvis executive hope opposition having listen argument press amendment believe objection meet remind committee remark hon friend joint parliamentary secretary mr boydcarpenter glad response request hon friend sitting law officer attend glad right hon learn gentleman attorneygeneral sit large life opposite try remember quotation recall vasty deep sure apply attorneygeneral glad doubt mind hon member legal effect subsection seek delete confusion clearly evidence speech hon member woolwich west mr hamle say sitting long honourable tradition law officer advise committee house law complete impartiality useful fairly early stage proceeding column attorneygeneral able intervene advice legal effect subsection point shall question consider aid joint parliamentary secretary hope minister minister policy result legal provision interpret attorneygeneral satisfactory merit stage discussion attorneygeneral precise legal effect light advice consider legal effect interpret satisfactory merit turn hon member woolwich west course observation tuesday criticism early speech discourteous seek deal sit hon gentleman astonishing observation great respect absolute nonsense question hon member go suggest table question minister activity commission completely independent provision bill hon gentleman think necessary joint parliamentary secretary think tell order civil servant employ employment civil servant depend right table question individual transaction complete misapprehension position hon gentleman aware national assistance board entirely man civil servant know success direction rest certainly experience past table question ask minister pension individual case handle national column board war damage commission believe drag miserable existence man civil servant experience question past table handling particular case truth fact question civil servant employ point authority house mr speaker interpret matter differently statute set body relieve minister daytoday responsibility administration unchallenged line case rightly wrongly merit surely rightly strict law exclude ask question individual handling case hon member woolwich west fill commission civil servant enable table single question speech found complete misapprehension suggest committee absolutely connection issue see fit raise desire doing commission clear previous amendment daylight subject full parliamentary scrutiny joint parliamentary secretary tell effect subsection exclude commission normal taxation doubt course attorneygeneral tell right think probably right venture diffidence opinion right law right merit good thing exclude commission normal taxation nationalise industry unlikely contingency make profit pay income tax profit tax ultimately corporation tax land commission exclude tax joint parliamentary secretary uncertain understandably doubt attorneygeneral help result subsection commission liable pay local rate considerable interest hon column member newcastleupontyne north mr r w elliott view indication give early head office commission locate newcastle pay rate city newcastle great todo scottish office cumbernauld cumbernauld rate scottish office want attorneygeneral view provision exclude rate exclude rate assurance pay joint parliamentary secretary column observation like invite attorneygeneral comment refer properly clause bill crown status propose commission shall clause stay bill effect exclude commission planning similar regulation restriction think quarrel plainly right hon gentleman go right commission involve litigation right outside restricted sphere matter deal clause desire sue contract sue tort commission status propose subsection advantage litigation adhere crown aware discuss early crown proceeding remain fact confirm halsbury law england crown considerable advantage sue crown emanation court way sue ordinary citizen right joint parliamentary secretary appear assure commission result subsection advantage litigation give different column crown example right claim crown privilege document committee know sue government department document withhold court minister concern swear affidavit public interest disclose certain circumstance highly advantageous position give commission result subsection like hear attorneygeneral point thing throw light joint parliamentary secretary fact sure good faith mislead committee say citizen disadvantage action wish bring commission extremely important clear right joint parliamentary secretary say object provision possible employment civil servant officer commission high regard civil servant probably work long member committee think extremely fortunate country intelligent honest honourable civil service world sure view generally share committee civil servant help kindness enable transfer land commission different question particularly sorry reason minister certain question want ask intention respect employment civil servant commission subsection joint parliamentary secretary tell intend cover possible tell commission employ people central office scottish office precise status matter controversy area regional office go civil column civil servant want know civil servant transfer compulsorily commission inviting prospect life commission likely word hobbe nasty brutish short tenure obviously precarious chance come life day pass marginal certainly offer satisfactory career prospect civil servant unlikely sensible official desire transfer want know seriousness minister take power employ civil servant commission chancellor exchequer propose use compulsion transfer voluntary basis discussion staff association matter official concern transfer far helpful career fact location office certainly involve physical transfer home experience problem arise move official establish country know special arrangement sensible government help transfer salary removal expense certainly case removal expense short time want know discussion take place staff association proposal hope shall satisfied committee civil servant constituency know affect intention minister transfer voluntarily commission duty probe aspect matter fully turn administrative question question merit revert attorneygeneral welcome guidance total legal effect subsection column particularly value indication effect taxation national local position respect litigation position respect citizen desire proceed commission proceed commission matter outside deal clause position regard claim crown privilege proceeding discovery document right crown withhold ground crown privilege disclosure document helpful right hon learn gentleman firm basis indication legal effect provision consider foundation side committee think merit matter attorneygeneral sir elwyn jones grateful kind welcome give morning reassure find right hon member kingstonuponthame mr boydcarpenter continue excellent voice certainly describe nasty brutish certainly short mr boydcarpenter right hon learn gentleman comparison study hansard length observation hon friend member woolwich west mr hamle attorneygeneral read great care doubt immense advantage official report proceeding committee tuesday understand burden case amendment delete subsection land commission crown body certain unjustifiable immunity advantage result subject ordinary citizen disadvantage relation activity land commission particular litigation bring think begin broad principle unarguable body land commission perform function government particular function collect revenue column crown body instance position regard central land board analogous machinery land commission town country planning act central land board responsible thing collect development charge properly crown body advantage public point view accountability land commission minister parliament express provision clause report true individual case hunt pursuit possible machinery government grind halt committee know classic opportunity questioning exposure happily parliamentary system provide remind committee hon friend member woolwich west say government passionately concern liberty subject equality law labour administration introduce crown proceeding act stock unattractive phrase relate forthcoming piece legislation mr boydcarpenter put citizen stock attorneygeneral parliamentary commissioner bill parliamentary commissioner wide rove power governmental body turn expressly matter taxation hon friend say tuesday commission crown body liable subject normal taxation profit commission pay way exchequer require land commission pay taxis exchequer superfluous redundant exercise position regard liability rate land occupy commission land occupy behalf crown public purpose rating valuation act column exempt rate practice regard land occupy crown body like regard land occupy duchy case land enjoy crown exemption rate contribution lieu rate pay contribution ex gratia equivalent understand liability rate involve minister willing undertaking contribution respect land occupy commission doubt right hon friend course question surprise satisfactory answer liability stamp duty land commission document subject stamp duty save specific exemption set clause say clause bill read subject clause subject land commission plan control building byelaw building regulation respect land commission treat noncrown body land commission act planning system question land commission have power override planning decision planning authority finally turn question raise right hon gentleman hon lady member finchley mrs thatcher tuesday regard position subject visàvis land commission say crown proceeding act revolutionise position individual citizen dealing crown head new era crown law give subject remedy right crown tort contract far procedure regard litigation concern result act broadly speak procedure govern litigation subject apply far possible civil proceeding crown act work fairly justly crown effect substantially position litigant difference refer hon lady necessarily place crown advantage curiously column find present office matter hon lady deal servant land commission deem servant crown severe limitation right sue contract section crown proceeding act give right action case act claim enforce petition right remedy available subject debt liquidate damage arise contract damage breach contract recover crown true exception contract respect right action lie think importance relate contract service crown servant employ land commission like civil servant right action land commission respect claim arise contract service say servant land commission civil servant interest protect way position land commission contract substantially different noncrown body second point hon lady way servant crown crown liable tort limited circumstance respect excessively limited way describe obligation crown tort position crown proceeding act crown subject liability tort extent subject limitation think importance context work land commission crown subject private person true section crown proceeding act provide crown liable act omission servant agent apart provision act give rise cause action confess find proviso somewhat difficult understand object column entirely clear apparently learn authority hon member buckinghamshire south mr ronald bell author treatise crown proceeding glady lend hon lady study research fascinating field proviso intend merely enable crown avail defence act state enlighten committee doubt exceptional case refer passage hon lady mention congratulate research field refer hood phillip quotation case like broom v morgan plaintiff husband servant tort feasor defendant seek liable wife committee remember case defendant licensee bird hand hampstead employ plaintiff mrs morgan husband husband employee unfortunately leave door bird hand open purely negligence course unfortunate lady fall open door shaft sue employer sue husband tort hold capable sue husband employer reason vicarious liability suppose ingenious mind conjure vasty deep kind similar situation affect land commission find difficult think doubt arise regard present ministry transport pursue fascinating theme shall trouble right hon friend position subject injure tort commit officer land commission course employment concern hon lady subject position alter land commission crown body action bring servant crown personal capacity tort commit official capacity doctrine law crown wrong servant crown plead crown authority column defence regard criminal sanction hon lady refer course position regard officer land commission individual citizen prosecute way subject crown privilege venture early allege privilege attach crown practice find surprise advantage doctrine assert litigant want document crown privilege production refuse public interest maintain confidentiality production document destroy case plaintiff complainant unfortunately illustration committee gladly privately confidence interested illustration fact doctrine crown privilege maintain successive government law officer interest maintain confidentiality communication civil servant civil servant minister right hon gentleman member committee point doctrine certainly receive court enthusiasm discover painful experience try assert case like grosvenor case considerable narrowingdown doctrine enunciate breadth lord simon duncan v cammell laird committee seriously anxious inform lord pearson preside committee deal law evidence particular reference crown privilege shall new approach problem course government pay sympathetic regard repeat point parliamentary commissioner operate provision bill deal expressly power access document save security state involve inhibit doctrine crown privilege column hope aspect matter think invest subject real difficulty finally hon lady suggest subject suffer disadvantage seek obtain relief crown position subject exception court order crown subject exception injunction order specific performance grant crown court power order declaratory right party course court declaratory order immediately obey crown department concern hon lady think order specific performance injunction effective doubt court order unhappily follow comply crown department surely require threat committal proceeding order secure compliance order court clash arise likely arise think second exception refer face look unattractive point view bill order recovery land delivery property crown court precisely power order declare plaintiff entitle crown crown agent land possession effective deal public authority hope committee think anxiety express impact bill status land commission crown body adversely affect right subject freedom right government anxious maintain mrs thatcher certainly worth get legal complication order sir elwyn jonesattorneygeneral scholarly dissertation crown proceeding act dissertation clear provide halsbury edition halsbury append note commentary crown column act set attorneygeneral speech function collect revenue accept people charge duty responsibility collect crown servant attorneygeneral observe hear delete particular responsibility land commission particular familiar process assess collect tax operate inland revenue familiar excellent appeal procedure independent tribunal body special commissioner act inland revenue case task collection revenue leave bill accept crown privilege remain servant operate servant crown argument proceed basis job land commission task government department far well fit think attorneygeneral argument weaken considerably come consider aspect work land commission observe immediately soon go revenue function compulsory acquisition function planning procedure point protection servant crown extent withdraw bill ask withdrawal think clause go far attorneygeneral point question minister crown alas compel answer question rate answer sidestep question mention bill set parliamentary commissioner impression bill carefully wish entitle parliamentary commissioner inquire administrative fault beset condition difficult parliamentary commissioner column conclusion parliament person inquire mischief point bill contain devastating power individual particularly expedite planning procedure probably need ombudsman member parliament equip inquire administrative fault stage difficult stage parliamentary commissioner carry interested attorneygeneral method skate round proviso section crown proceeding act proviso understand say understand sympathise try help understand understand think somewhat dangerous conclude damaging subject note clause occur p halsbury statute edition vol entitle proceeding lie agree interpretation proviso say read come week get week think proceeding get state simple adjourn library book readily hand course vex proviso note hon learn friend write book clear idea mean attorneygeneral less creature important proviso number comment attorneygeneral particularly important come extensive power compulsory purchase acquisition column bill contain extremely extensive nature remedy injunction specific performance important case example land commission acquire person land bargain shall easement right way parcel remain subject grant right way land remain subject virtually useless purpose require suppose land commission decide wish grant easement right way subsection subject decree specific performance doubt declaration right right party certainly damage want damage want right way specific case vitally important bill use declaration right land commission say go grant court say citizen entitle enforce crown contempt proceeding specific case hope attorneygeneral excellent staff wide knowledge matter give specific case kind subject disadvantage ask follow part bill mention clause protection crown servant withdraw land commission certain go far well deal compulsory purchase protection withdraw case mention attorneygeneral submit inconceivable case defendant ordinary citizen specific performance order injunction order court declaratory order defendant crown department circumstance hon lady envisage order specific performance available defendant column body repeat think inconceivable court declaratory order defendant crown body course effect declaratory order court instantaneous everybody goes scurry quickly shelter quickly see declaratory order carry mrs thatcher specific case like suspect happen land commission issue compulsory purchase order land damn declaration subject attorneygeneral minister sack mrs thatcher hope frederick willeyminister sack minister sack circumstance ought sack take excessive power certain matter week shall ability wish personal harm think nice man case wish interim injunction land commission attempt acquire land expedite procedure second appoint day sure attorneygeneral know land commission extensive power compulsory acquisition case factory set development district american capital apply plan permission extension land commission step soon planning permission grant acquire land land adjacent fact acquire land factory effect servant servant crown rate interim injunction prevent right case hear understand long servant crown injunction lie right point time need protection withdraw want damage want stop expedite procedure prevent column take effect need interim injunction circumstance long speech intend point attorneygeneral give interesting amusing account certain case husband wife sort case crown servant well ordinary person direct attention twine v bean express limited england report page mr justice uthwatt case read conjunction quotation give page hood phillip case refer book today recollection case circumstance private contractor lend van driver government authority kind case imagine arise christmas time post office sort extra van coach take driver know case contractor lend driver government body driver take home employee contrary instruction initial private employment accident driver act service crown crown hold liable passenger circumstance private employer liable recollection case specific case crown liable person injure circumstance private employer point ask joint arthur skeffingtonparliamentary secretary specific assurance rate payable newcastle respect office land commission situate rate payable respect land commission office substantially office office government department hon friend member newcastleupontyne north mr r w elliott wish press point mr r w elliott intend ask guarantee follow point attorneygeneral headquarters commission newcastleupontyne notice attorneygeneral say position rating valuation act crown property subject rating normal way usually oblige ex gratia basis contribution rate equal pay normal rateable position sure hardpresse constituent hardpresse rateable point view city enormous extensive development programme relieve point attorneygeneral simple seek guarantee ex gratia payment equal money yield rating normal way attorneygeneral know add say regard rate position little doubt obligation customary crown body fulfil think expressly sorry copy report case twine v bean express hon lady refer remind case think crown proceeding act liability crown circumstance case examine case recently imagine situation protect act volume edition hood phillip constitutional administrative law note regard famous proprietor author view proviso intend preserve defence act state act prerogative statutory power follow word hon lady previously cite satisfied exceptional case difficulty arise exceptional column usual regard transaction land commission mr boydcarpenter understand attorneygeneral say give assurance rate point intention payment lieu attorneygeneral properly responsible minister say normal practice invite press hon friend newcastleupontyne north mr r w elliott minister joint parliamentary secretary assurance term certainly suggest committee come decision amendment assurance invite press secondly repeat minister request early assurance respect civil servant concern right hon gentleman ask committee bear repetition unanswered question tuesday joint parliamentary secretary tell reason make commission crown body arise legal issue attorneygeneral refer order operate civil servant ask repeat specific question civil servant propose transfer land commission total staff parliamentary secretary think tell intend employ secondly intend use compulsion secure transfer civil servant vacancy deal voluntary basis involve physical movement civil servant present home newcastle regional headquarter discussion go staff association stage reach step take protect career prospect civil servant voluntarily compulsorily transfer commission event commission wind important matter considerable number staff column tell real reason clause permit employment staff think entitle press minister hard tell intention thing wish stage thank attorneygeneral interesting discussion law bind time think go alarm hon friend try prove prove crown status positive disadvantage litigation hon friend presumably enthusiasm diminish want crown land commission think probably alarm emerge think member committee lie legal alike situation deliberate conferring crown status subsection commission involve disadvantage citizen dispute commission fact clearly emerge assurance clarity attorneygeneral speech leave issue law propose commission power privilege excess enjoy ordinary body ordinary citizen course wrong await assurance rate doubt forthcoming waste time moment finally seek assurance position public official concern ask absence minister repeat question briefly presence joint parliamentary secretary ministry land natural resource mr arthur skeffington hope committee permit reply point raise sure right hon friend willing answer subsidiary question right hon member kingstonuponthame mr boydcarpenter wish ask right hon learn friend attorneygeneral give legal position detail normal practice relation rate happy column fully intend commission follow normal practice practice apply case ex gratia payment equivalent rate respect normal undertaking staff employ commission public servant transfer civil servant follow normal practice right hon member kingstonuponthame aware occasion staff transfer recall certainly responsible minister transfer considerable number staff believe hon friend constituency case rate arrangement test normal practice apply mr boydcarpenter course great distinction transfer transfer refer physical transfer exist department involve change department transfer official new organisation involve employment new employer mr skeffington make point exactly identical say normal welltried arrangement general matter operate case right hon gentleman ask people direct compel serve hope transfer voluntary basis course right hon gentleman know public servant accept service liable serve crown please difficulty anticipate fill post voluntary basis indication considerable number civil servant like transfer undertake work stage certainly difficulty anticipate setup course work fully treasury include course active participation organisation method department treasury course normally consultation staff association column procedure know right hon gentleman aware case course public servant ask information dearth applicant want london centre anticipate difficulty course home transfer removal expense arise normally meet treasury meet case hope satisfy right hon gentleman point mr boydcarpenter understand hon gentleman right hope fill vacancy land commission voluntarily give assurance compulsion right mr skeffington think give stage read crystal indication information give indication large number person willing transfer think right proper hand agree negative approach right hon gentleman think disservice civil servant involve information optimistic mr boydcarpenter grateful hon gentleman information position clear decline assurance use compulsion mr john wells ask minister brief question give write answer yesterday report col official report deal kindre matter extra staff ordnance survey extra staff directly concern work arise bill recruit way minister land natural resource mr frederick willey apologise beginning proceeding right hon gentleman know appreciate difficult minister attend proceeding unfortunately column twice sorry discussion ordnance survey point answer relate issue discuss question word propose leave stand clause committee divide aye no division dunnett jack fletcher te darlington harrison walter wakefield hart mrs judith howie w johnson james kstononhull w manuel archie mapp charles skeffington arthur willey rt hon frederick box donald boydcarpenter rt hn j elliott r w nctleupontyne n farr john noble rt hn michael onslow cranley smith john thatcher mrs margaret question propose clause stand bill mr john farr long discussion clause grateful amendment discuss right hon learn gentleman attorneygeneral give answer question ask opposition bench hope excuse intervene moment highpower discussion bench morning large number complicated book reference trot complicated measure complicated benefit experience bar generally speak backbench member committee satisfied explanation give minister give assurance take bit get parliamentary secretary land commission headquarter newcastle pay annual sum equivalent rate pay rateable normal way pay rate way industrial concern individual parliamentary secretary say commission pay sum equivalent pay rate hope equivalent go rate annual rate individual individual company go recent year year instance rate country go cent hope equivalent land commission pay office newcastle suboffice pace annual rate increase everybody have face think attorneygeneral regret weak reply question crown privilege treat usual charming courteous manner appear treat matter little frivolity debonair air joint satisfied say production certain document crown destroy applicant case course question say normally applicant request production document know damage case obvious production document damage applicant case vast majority case applicant disadvantage document produce attorneygeneral deal effectively protection individual clause refer measure introduce house parliamentary commissioner bill hon friend member finchley mrs thatcher rightly say empower column inquire administrative fault complaint good deal fundamental question affect right individual raise bill parliamentary commissioner bill long way statute book introduce labour government chairman order long way statute book order discuss debate mr farr mr hynd great respect reference parliamentary commissioner bill sole argument attorneygeneral forward reply question ask right hon friend member kingstonuponthame mr boydcarpenter chairman mention pass think hon gentleman embark argument bill mr farr mr hynd confess enamour bill en passant state think little use assistance objector specific machination result land commission bill thing disturb government bench airily question right hon friend matter pay taxis say course land commission pay taxation proceed accrue exchequer superfluous pay income tax form taxation condition doubt assurance proceed receipt land commission accrue exchequer considerable expense outgoing land commission great conglomeration body come existence expect year expense establish new office recruit staff necessary expense far exceed receipt column generally speak people country distrust bill interruption particularly privilege represent live countryside regard unnecessary measure like introduce sledgehammer crack nut personally dissatisfied object clause explanation give government bench shall utmost oppose bill mrs thatcher important clause clause set land commission like spend minute question land commission necessary desirable order achieve objective bill notice white paper bill case land commission argue assume assumption usually absence real argument real argument usually white paper merely state government want collect levy want acquire land ready development land commission fact follow second reading frederick willeyminister arthur skeffingtonparliamentary secretary wave newspaper article right john boydcarpenterhon friend floor house entitle land labour fair deal article alan day observer minister quote article support contention land commission necessary desirable order achieve specific objective penultimate paragraph article say support principle commission hilt start way journalist quote support objective query necessity clause land commission column committee query land commission necessary important number newspaper take cry birmingham post september call proposal land commission crafty proposal time monday january lead article take point commentator commentator point minister know local authority worried right hon gentleman know view levy machinery inland revenue necessary land commission purpose question necessary land commission exercise compulsory purchase power hon learn friend member kensington south mr root deal argument second reading number commentator point extensive power compulsory purchase require necessary set land commission bit land united kingdom come purview stand authority right hon gentleman aware commentator worry land acquisition divorce plan land use plan land use remain sole charge local planning authority right hon gentleman aware massive number body power compulsory acquisition ask set plenty body exercise power example government department service ministry transport postmastergeneral ministry agriculture home column extensive power second heading county council county borough borough council urban rural district council parish council head statutory undertaker electricity gas board water undertaking fourth development corporation fifth nationalise undertaking british railway national coal board british waterway london transport board sixth drainage board seventh river authority eighth police authority ninth prison commissioner tenth united kingdom atomic energy authority eleventh housing corporation twelfth constructor pipe line thirteenth company organise permanent track fourteenth nature conservancy people power compulsory purchase add land commission understand main reason secure land available bring forward particular use minister aware certain local authority think argument job designate use land short power comparatively small amendment section town country planning act relevant provision housing act serve additional power need land acquisition planning land use authority short money loan sanction believe want strengthen local authority wish power diminish power connection plan land use agree speech town clerk manchester town country planning association conference comment system land commission point local authority staff acquire land ahead acquire land plan large number house staff staff compete land commission column comparatively small number skilled staff available compete land commission staff come crux bill land commission necessary case minister morning noon mr willey matter argue decide second read hon lady member finchley mrs thatcher say rightly know view quote town clerk manchester fact talk hat mrs thatcher think mr willey talk indicate certainly read bill mrs thatcher astonishing thing mr willey hon lady read remark town clerk drive conclusion drive main argument land commission necessary argue long time set white paper exactly government main objective secure right land available right time implementation national regional local plan secondly secure substantial development value create community return community burden cost land essential purpose reduce believe argue fully mr hynd achieve objective need body land commission suspect having look order paper shall later opportunity discuss argument hon lady deploy use inland revenue make use inland revenue believe duplicate work staff inland revenue undertake work collection levy levy balance device avoid twoti price column land commission purpose secure land development reasonable price secure right land come forward development require inappropriate body inland revenue power compulsory purchase power grant order serve purpose define question opposition right hon gentleman hon friend upset squalid racket land price well tackle resolutely minute know intend introduce legislation establish land commission say ambiguous way favour levy mr boydcarpenter point order order subsequent speaker motion discuss conservative party proposal land like know prepare somewhat lengthy observation subject chairman question order moment clause stand bill mr willey right hon gentleman speak conservative partys proposal interesting revelation hear mr boydcarpenter point order hon gentleman persist line mr hynd allow right reply right hon gentleman attempt abuse rule committee mr willey entirely hand mr hynd issue decide second reading deal scandal land price believe land ought come forward development well way come forward hon lady say power exist local authority point exercise matter debate past column reason local authority find difficult impossible use power help development issue short mr hynd issue decide second reading government determined deal scandal land price chairman order remind minister issue moment land commission debate clause mr willey mr hynd believe appropriate way establish land commission mr boydcarpenter hon friend member finchley mrs thatcher term clause set land commission powerful argument land commission clause stand bill pretend right hon gentlemans great admirer attempt reply argument simply say decide second read right hon gentleman wrong regard committee instrument counterstampe decision government issue open committee government sufficient interest bill parliament sit long stage responsibility duty hon member stage decide issue right hon gentleman think forward case bill abandon attempt argument say decide second reading show ignorance custom house surprising right hon gentleman go attempt raise broad issue mr hynd subject ruling follow think fit include speech attack eminent public official position reply low level ministerial conduct official question infinitely experience matter minister column man hold high regard member political party text speech eminent body deliver right hon gentleman gentleman talk head astonishing ministerial performance right hon gentleman well serve dignity office reputation withdraw remark thing apparently teach right hon gentleman taste mr manuel point order wonder respect mr hynd spend time personal attack bench purpose clause mr boydcarpenter point order question arise personal attack right hon gentleman eminent public official position reply right hon gentleman attack like reply subject ruling mr hynd attack contrary entirely standard ministerial conduct house disagree behaviour entitle reply chairman order minister express opinion order parliamentary sense right hon gentleman comment think leave mr boydcarpenter think public opinion mr hynd leave know public opinion stand minister behave way right hon gentleman deal airy way hon friend suggestion levy collect inland revenue say not recall second reading challenge dispute challenge proposition perfectly inland revenue prepare tell think department collect million revenue enormously wide variety taxis include column closely analogous capital gain tax estate duty undertake collection right say foolish inland revenue addition compulsory purchase power listen argument know argument hon friend necessary revenue commission compulsory purchase power land question perfectly deal compulsory purchase power central government new town corporation public body local authority travesty argument minister suppose charge bill come say impossible accept possible second reading substantiate argument simply say body collect million taxation wide variety way collection intend use body believe separate set valuer commission tell come know great shortage valuer use valuation department inland revenue valuation department use local office collection practical reason real reason labour party manifesto go set land commission break practically pledge think ought try honour pledge rate rational understandable argument well argument right hon gentleman comment not come detailed point clause discuss far mr hynd subsection body commissioner appreciate detailed discussion await time come reach schedule bill preliminary question major importance arise column clause schedule sort people bill law right hon gentleman appoint commissioner particular appoint people political impartiality follow example secretary state minister health appoint labour party supporter public position highly controversial subject like appoint people pronounce political predilection hon gentleman parliamentary secretary want chapter verse political appointment minister make shall happy know perfectly disgraceful conduct government respect want know minister intend follow practice follow well practice appoint impartial professional man woman appoint people scotland appoint professionallyqualifie people mr charles mapp point order comment hear irrelevant motion amendment order paper schedule bearing mind subsection merely set body schedule fill detail number suggest right hon gentleman comment aspect order leave reach schedule pm chairman question well discuss schedule matter opinion order ask question body envisage subsection mr boydcarpenter oblige mr hynd appreciate embarrassing subject hon member colleague ask pass subsection give minister power set body commissioner little startling hon member appear discourage asking sort person minister intend appoint shall happy say schedule discuss particular aspect detail column accordance amendment ask general question type people minister appoint hope frank committee department newlyestablishe department proceed measure sort have clearly mind name possible people approach type people approach point minister illuminate matter tell take good deal extract get eventually staff land commission think shock house state discussion money resolution shock opinion outside obviously go large bureaucracy right hon gentleman assurance circumstance exceed go like effort present administration expand expensive reveal chancellor exchequer statement vote account yesterday minister prepare firm assurance staff exceed tell staff fact duty perform apparently valuation apparently undertake inland revenue go duty engage idea subject hon friend say view propose land commission critical way case knowledge committee minister attempt morning justify create argument forward create hon friend say duplicate compulsory purchase power public authority principally local authority responsible electorate land commission shelter result decision early amendment detailed parliamentary criticism parliamentary ignorance responsible local authority electorate elect council column create merely power compulsory purchase local authority hon friend understate case committee adopt clause second schedule commission great power entrust minister object minister say land price support commission evidence produce commission cheapen land price begin pay commission staff office ultimately charge price land taxpayer taxation source reason believe set body cheapen land price stray clause iii bill unique experience taxation tax impose effect cheapen commodity fall precedent human history far know doubt right hon gentleman think work miracle tell think commission speed bringing forward land possible knowledge commission compulsorily purchase land planning decision give discourage owner land bring forward land plan permission make available bring forward land get plan permission second appoint day operate expose land compulsory purchase commission expose take step overwhelmingly likely discourage flow land development right hon gentleman remedy high land price disturb find set compete body compulsory power find old principle law supply demand answer face powerful demand exist land housing good thing column supply land planning permission anybody believe commission effect clear opposite effect clear real remedy find right hon gentleman tinpot commission provision bill planning system administer far powerful influential colleague right hon gentleman minister housing local government remedy find secure supply land available planning permission practically commentator second reading debate say right hon gentleman blandly get supply land build want bill complete non sequitur logical intellectual justification connect thing say effect exact opposite effect inflate price land scarcer let clear effect measure right hon gentleman know heart political gimmick nonetheless pursue ridiculous measure mr donald box comparative newcomer question land commission hesitate intervene deliberation committee far feel ought feeling committee tomorrow shall go town clerk doubt ask affair committee proceed think amazed tell minister act behalf government astonishing attack worthy colleague city manchester think assume town clerk know sufficient land propose land commission statement authority think remain minute deliberate matter minister ought reflect situation withdraw scurrilous statement widely report column point minister speak think land commission increase supply land submission land commission acquire massive power totally completely unnecessary think throw idea establishment land commission outline clause number reason think establishment land commission mean expensive home cheap one right hon friend hon member committee pain explain committee levy tax item possibly reduce price particular item go detail levy mr hynd think rule order think equally committee agree levy integral land commission purpose have land commission able apply levy approach budget day undoubtedly taxation increase considerably defy tell item subject tax price plentiful supply few people able purchase secondly think operation land commission setting land commission mean few home mere publication scheme believe take place september bring immediate reaction association represent builder trade employer example federation building trade employer point statement recently january minister square contention legislation go produce land afraid produce land freeze exist supply land available development hitherto column think establishment land commission retard modernisation position understand industrialist fortunate obtain planning permission extend premise levy immediately payable extraordinary way encourage industrialist increase modernisation fourth reason think land commission cause good deal confusion uncertainty setting body require notification normal buying selling house authority find levy payable fifth think add taxpayer burden right hon friend rightly point think estimate cost administration like million year paltry sum recognise plan spendthrift government go start million taxpayer money operate hear go employ order civil servant operate scheme recently similar case increase civil servant city cardiff period half year increase population city wonder local authority employ people able cope way land commission encroache local authority particular area finally think local authority wide power acquire land require development absolutely need duplicate power intend land commission usurp local function basis hope committee reject clause absolutely certain thing land commission increase ready supply land fact opposite mr michael noble mr hynd generous scotland beginning debate clause want committee long column problem little surprised minister short relevant intervention refer way interesting debate sitting know busy sure read report debate omit main reason government say wish set land commission land want right time problem development aware scotland early debate seek success save scotland expense lunacy good deal bill hon lady undersecretary state scotland answer clearly find example having difficulty sphere minister enjoy phrase squalid land price scotland remarkably free degree squalidity cost land proportion cost house month ago scottish office order cent tiny perfectly respectable fraction cost house hon lady undersecretary say date rise steeply particularly central belt responsible purpose partys policy partys policy concentrate central belt scotland spread area power ability land need demonstrably show supply land adequate cost excessive single point minister speech relevance scotland like final point shortly know meeting committee good hope shall hear bill nature world uncertain place difficult tell column shall day day debate squalid bill point like minister consider seriously decide treat clause slight doubt great difference approach problem area country high rate employment tremendous development great pressure land totally different problem large part country designate designate legislation government go bring forward development district hon lady discuss undoubted disincentive effect betterment levy expansion industry area say answer point come speech study carefully argument disincentive effect have pay betterment levy development one land industrialist price land course perfectly fatuous argument apart committee think price land ought keep action bill totally irrelevant argument point make case developer own land question price high low merely pay levy land own undoubtedly disadvantageous position type levy type discrimination take place hope committee feel appropriate oppose clause willingly exempt scotland like separate land commission scotland hope illplanne illthoughtout country occasion committee meet hope minister proper explanation argument clause refute secretary local authority column want owe shortage staff minister shot answer point way hopeful hope try explain set commission way deal object regard desirable mr willey believe meet convenience side committee debate adjourn mr boydcarpenter certainly rise oppose motion right hon gentleman hon frend lose interest bill mr willey point order surely absolute breach rule govern committee approach minister charge bill remark chairman point order mr boydcarpenter approach minister charge bill irrelevant interjection government lose interest progress bill mr archie manuel shocking mr boydcarpenter realise purpose go forward measure discredit mr manuel let carry mr willey motion withdraw mr boydcarpenter right hon gentleman say motion withdraw show singular ignorance rule procedure singular government lose interest mr manuel let carry mr boydcarpenter reason object bill know law bill dead government want funeral supper reason mr willey approach meet convenience column member side committee adjourn function member feel oblige attend reason move motion right hon gentleman sure know purpose move spite offensive remark motion mr noble point order mr hynd find anybody know approach want adjourn proceeding sure help committee tell mr skeffington wonder help number hon member approach committee start today say slightly inconvenient committee sit till oclock luncheon parliamentary scientific committee annual function member like attend think right hon gentleman beginning ask member side agreeable mention right hon gentleman gather oppose proposition dream consent member able committee meet mr boydcarpenter point order parliamentary secretary refer give know incomplete account discussion tell oppose motion tell committee oppose tell comment parliamentary secretary give account conversation serve parliamentary tradition well give tell comment legitimate hope note let parliamentary secretary funeral supper question agree committee adjourn minute oclock till tuesday march halfpast oclock follow member attend committee mr h hynd chairman box mr boydcarpenter mr dunnett mr elliott mr r w eyre mr farr mr fletcher mr hamle mr harrison mr walter hart mrs howie mr johnson mr james manuel mr mapp mr noble mr onslow mr skeffington mr smith mr john thatcher mrs wells mr john willey mr attorneygeneral attend column appendix minister land natural resource mr frederick willey beg committee adjourn till tuesday march halfpast oclock wonder mr hynd allow express behalf sure committee indebtedness courteous helpful way conduct procedure know intention return parliament express good wish retirement old friend member long serve house commons great loss house common lose courteous intelligent member hon member hear hear mr john boydcarpenter motion adjourn greek kalend appropriate join minister express mr hynd gratitude hon friend admirable way preside proceeding give respectfully appearance absolute fairness absolute impartiality pleasing sense humour privately relieve motion fear preside somewhat long period sure member committee carry away impression carry away happy recollection chairman right hon gentleman say sorry know decide leave place present circumstance leave column present aware fact sir mind decide terminate long honourable career like sincerely add good wish hon friend minister express wish happiness retirement surprising exuberance good health return youthfulness come leave place matter arise fact motion oppose bring end discussion bill practical importance hope minister committee recall proceed basis probably appoint day time end year think december mention context right hon gentleman clear provision bill include levy threat compulsory purchase apply transaction take place september year day white paper happen timetable appoint day clearly go window event turn likely land commission levy appear ordinary way subject ordinary principle taxation extraordinary mischance bill like plainly reintroduce month timetable lord president council give night reassembly state opening march follow debate queen speech follow course belate budget mean resourceful right hon gentleman colleague bill way summer plainly timetable work perfectly good faith doubt frustrate important flow land building interim interrupt right hon gentleman clear retrospection september column circumstance insist think owe outside position uncertainty relate september aggravate fact reason government decide step mean considerable postponement measure wish side committee certain byproduct decision flow land development housing interrupt plain inevitable uncertainty general election period think great pity impression leave event unlikely right hon gentleman hon friend succeed poll long relate prove date white paper previous parliament lose relevance light decision take today decision prime minister announce yesterday right hon gentleman parliament position forward measure doubt position select whichever date think fit date provision run think wrong surprised line persist date obsolete happen subsequent legislation introduce shall bite transaction period september shall assembly new parliament think apart party consideration great practical advantage housing people hope accept motion matter right hon gentleman broad question result motion add sentence decision government take involve sacrifice great legislative programme throwing column work month session judge throw overboard legislation moment think wrongly electoral advantage government responsible act comment important realise fact mr willey greatly oblige right hon gentleman raise point government fear extraordinary mischance mr boydcarpenter admission mr willey assure right hon gentleman shall adhere timetable reason concerned shall adhere timetable preparation land commission ahead proceed smoothly general election come able original timetable mr boydcarpenter preposterous statement right hon gentleman know perfectly regard keep parliamentary process timetable look possible little bit tight respect bill introduce january follow white paper previous september obviously absurd case bill introduce early date think january context reply display futile obstinacy right hon gentleman know heart carry right indulge attitude say highly irresponsible incur expense preparation body come responsibility attach indicate propose warn responsibility narrow point raise beg committee column great practical importance want happen interfere prevent present building programme know talk adhere present programme talk relate provision future bill month previous parliament simply play matter confirm view form right hon gentleman simply understand issue chairman thank minister right hon member kingstonuponthame mr boydcarpenter kind remark mixed feeling committee adjourn today think job life thing come end think appropriate thing morituri te salutamus question agree committee adjourn accordingly nineteen minute oclock till tuesday march halfpast oclock follow member attend committee hynd mr h chairman alldritt mr boydcarpenter mr dunnett mr elliott mr r w harrison mr walter hart mrs howie mr johnson 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Speeches, etc. Members of Finchley and Friern Barnet Conservative Association turned up in strength for the adoption meeting of Mrs. Margaret Hilda Thatcher, who will contest the next general election in place of Sir John Crowder, who is not seeking re-election. Although the president (Mr. Miller) and the chairman of the Association (Mr. Blatch) asked for a 100 per cent. vote in her favour, five members voted against. Major Cole, who supported her nomination, said he knew two members who had said they would not vote for a woman candidate. After the meeting Mrs. Thatcher told me she had felt frightully nervous waiting to make her appearance while Mr. Blatch, the chairman, was explaining how the Selection Committee had made their decision. He gave her a terrific build-up and declared: “She will demoralise the Socialists and wipe the floor with the Liberals.” Do you remember a somewhat similar prophecy before the last local elections? What happened? The Liberals won four seats—all from the Conservatives! Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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This bill removes a prohibition on states and territories using COVID-19 (i.e., coronavirus disease 2019) relief funding under the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 to offset a reduction in revenue resulting from a reduction in taxes or a delay in the imposition of a tax or tax increase.

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Oct 31, 2020 Donald Trump held a campaign rally in Butler, Pennsylvania on October 31. Read the transcript of his speech remarks here. Transcribe Your Own Content Try Rev and save time transcribing, captioning, and subtitling. Donald Trump: (03:32)Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Hello, Pennsylvania. Let’s go, Pennsylvania. We’ve got to do the same thing we did four years ago, and I have a feeling… Look at this, I have a feeling we’re going to do it. And hello, Butler. Butler, right? Three days from now, we are going to win the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, and we are going to win four more years in our great and beautiful White House. With your support, we will continue to bring back your jobs, cut your taxes, cut regulations, and ensure more products are stamped, very proudly, with that wonderful term, Made in the USA. Nobody else talks about that. Next year will be the greatest economic year in the history of our country. You saw what happened the other day? They don’t like to report it. GDP 33.1, biggest in history. Biggest in history by far. Some people say it’s one of the biggest moments for our country economically. They don’t like to report it. There’s a lot of fake news out there. A lot of fake news. Audience: (05:01)We love Trump. We love Trump. We love Trump. Donald Trump: (05:07)Thank you. Audience: (05:07)We love Trump. We love Trump. We love Trump. Donald Trump: (05:07)Thank you. Audience: (05:07)We love Trump. We love Trump. We love Trump. We love Trump. We love Trump. Donald Trump: (05:15)Joe Biden will shut down your economy, ship your jobs to China, where they pay him a lot of money, raise your taxes $4 trillion, and send your state into a deep and catastrophic depression. That’s what’s going to happen. He’s going to raise your taxes. He’s the only man I’ve ever seen, he campaigns, “We will raise your taxes.” All my life I’ve seen guys… You study politics, and you say, “I’ve never seen anyone say, ‘We’re going to raise your taxes.'” That’s his primary theme, “We’re going to raise your taxes,” and “We’ll end fracking,” that was the other thing. Remember? Donald Trump: (05:50)He’d said it for a year, and then he came to Pennsylvania. They said, “We have a million jobs.” “Oh, okay, well, we’ll leave fracking.” But the people won’t let him. His bosses won’t let him. Biden has vowed to abolish the entire US oil industry. No fracking, no mining, no natural gas, no heating in the winter, no air conditioning in the summer, no electricity during peak hours. And gas prices, you like that $2 gas, right? How about $5, $6 and $7? “Darling, let’s sell the car. It’s a little bit too large. Let’s get a compact.” Biden’s plan is an economic death sentence for Pennsylvania. He will outlaw fracking and eradicate your great economy. You had the greatest year you’ve ever had last year. And now next year, you’re going to have the best. If this happens with the taxes and with the fracking, you’re going to have a real problem in Pennsylvania. Donald Trump: (06:46)Kamala, Kamala Harris. You have to pronounce her name exactly right, or she gets very upset with you. Although our great vice president beat her very badly in that debate, wouldn’t you say? Very badly. By far the most liberal senator in the US Senate. In fact, Bernie Sanders is like a conservative by comparison. She even sponsored the Green New Deal. That’s another beauty, the Green New Deal. But I have great news for Pennsylvania. So this has just happened. This is like breaking news. Are you ready for breaking news? Because we have to protect you. Are you ready? Moments ago, I signed an order to protect Pennsylvania fracking and block any effort to undermine energy production in your state. So in other words, if one of these maniacs come along and they say, “We’re going to end fracking, we’re going to destroy the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania,” you can say, “Sorry about that. You have just…” I signed it on that beautiful Marine One. Did you see that? Donald Trump: (08:07)I said, “Go right over them.” Did you see it go right over you? Whoa. It’s a good way to arrive, right? No, I just signed it on the helicopter, I just signed it, and I’m very honored to have done it. So we’re protected. So now if they say, “We’re going to do this or that,” let’s just say they’re going to have a long fight. Pennsylvania oil and natural gas in the Marcellus Shale contributes $45 billion to your local economy. I’d say 45 billion’s a lot. No, but he said if… oh, so for, what, a year, right? He’s on the stage with the super liberals. They had like 27 of them. We only had 17 running for the Republican. You remember? 17 plus one. I was the one. And they said, “No, he doesn’t really want it. He just wants to have a good time.” No. And by the way, do you consider this a good time, okay? Okay, let me ask you, is there a better place to be anytime, anywhere than a Trump rally, right? We’re having a good time. We have a good time. Donald Trump: (09:07)You know why I have a good time? Because no president, no administration has done more in the first three and a half years with tax cuts and regulation cuts and rebuilding our military and helping our vets and all of the things we’ve done. And therefore I have a good time, but we’re fighting a very nasty deep state. And if we win, and we’re going to, I… I don’t know if you see what’s going on. Florida, ooh, it’s looking very good. They’re very concerned. They’re saying, “What’s going on in Florida?” We love Florida. We’re getting a lot of votes down there. This isn’t based on polling, polling where they say, “Let’s see, what are we going to give him today? Let’s put him down like 30. What are we going to do? Suppression. Let’s do a…” No, no, the votes are actually coming in. We’re looking very good in a place called Pennsylvania, but don’t tell everybody. Don’t tell everybody. Donald Trump: (10:05)Right, Mike? Have you seen? Our great Congressman. Mike, have you seen? Very good, very good numbers. Very, very good numbers, incredible. But when you have crowds like this, and, honestly, this is my third stop. Can you believe? I have a fourth one. I have a fourth one. Other guys, they go home, “Darling, what are we having for dinner?” I say, “I got to speak in front of another 25,000 tonight.” It’s all right. That’s all right. We got to do what we got to do. We got to get the job done. Just make sure you get out and vote. But Pennsylvania oil and natural gas supports nearly 1 million Pennsylvania jobs. So when Sleepy Joe heard that, he said, “Yeah, of course I like fracking.” But it’s not going to happen. It won’t happen. It’s not real. And it’s one of the state’s top exports, that’s what it is. Energy is your top, or one of your top exports. This is the biggest thing you do. Donald Trump: (11:02)If Joe Biden is elected, he will cancel our… And you know that, he’s going to terminate, frankly, a better word, terminate your energy industry and every job because they want to go to wind. They want to go… They don’t even want wind. Honestly, I don’t think they want energy period, close down every factory. I don’t think they want anything. I don’t think they have any idea what they want. I know Joe doesn’t. For a fact, he doesn’t. He has no clue. He is totally shot, okay? You see the new sunglasses, the aviator glasses, right? They should be a little bit larger, covers up those new eyes. A vote for Biden and Harris is a vote to ban fracking, ban mining, and completely destroy Pennsylvania. Otherwise, he’s not bad. A vote for me is a vote to remain energy independent and build the strongest economy in the history or your state and of your country. And our economy is now growing at the fastest rate ever recorded. That was the 33.1% that the fake news doesn’t want to talk about. Think of that, faster than any nation in the world. Donald Trump: (12:18)In the past five months, we’ve created a record 11.4 million American jobs. That’s a… Nobody’s… We’ve never done that. We’ve never done it. You know what? We’ve built such a strong foundation, we had the greatest economy in the history of our country, and we had the plague. We had the plague come in from China, and we had to close it up for a little while. And we closed it up, and then… But the foundation was so strong. And that’s why, I don’t know if you saw auto production, housing production, the numbers are through the roof. Many of the numbers are bigger and better. Did you know this, Mike Kelly? The numbers are bigger and better than they were before the plague came in. Okay? It’s pretty amazing, right? It’s pretty amazing. That’s because the foundation… If we didn’t have the foundation, it would be just the opposite. We would’ve been in big trouble. And again, faster than any other nation. While foreign nations are in a total free fall, we’re creating the world’s greatest economic powerhouse. And that’s what we’re doing. Donald Trump: (13:19)We’re going to have a greater year next year. I mean, unless somebody comes in and quadruples your taxes, “We’re going to raise taxes.” A recent Gallup poll, this is amazing, just came out, found that 56% of Americans say they’re better off today than they were four years ago under the Obama-Biden administration. And in all fairness, that’s during a pandemic, and we’re rounding the corner of the pandemic, but that’s during a pandemic, think of that. Audience: (13:44)Thank you. Donald Trump: (13:44)If Biden… Thank you too. I don’t know. Wow, he’s got to have a… They’re back there. Look at that, you can’t even see. You can’t even see. No, it’s like, you can’t even see the end of people. A lot of people. There’s a lot of people here. If Biden gets in, the economy will… Donald Trump: (14:08)(silence) Donald Trump: (16:00)(silence) The last 47 years outsourcing your jobs, opening your borders and sacrificing American blood and treasure in endless foreign wars, in countries that most of you have never even heard of. Biden is a Washington vulture who decimated your steel mills, annihilated your coal jobs, that’s for sure. And supported every disastrous sellout trade deal for a half a century. Donald Trump: (16:53)Biden was a cheerleader for NAFTA, the worst trade deal ever made. And for China’s entry into the World Trade Organization, where they are considered at a level where they get all the advantages. We don’t get the advantages. They’re considered a developing nation. I said, “No, no, you’re not going to be a developing nation. We’re a developing nation.” Because if you’re a developing nation, you get all of the advantages. And we were treated very badly. And we said, “Look, we’re going to have to talk about this.” Donald Trump: (17:24)We pulled out of the World Health Organization. You know why? No. So we have 325 million people. China has 1.5 billion people. Right. We paid $500 million a year. They paid $39 million a year. In addition to that, they had guys, and for this I give them credit, but they had guys that practically ran the place. Right. So they’re paying 39 and we’re paying 500. And we have a smaller population, but we have a stronger economy and we were beating them. For the last 10 years, anybody in business, you heard 2019 China will surpass the United States in the economy. That China was going to be a bigger economy than… 2019, 2019. And then I came along and we were skyrocketing way, way above. They would’ve never caught us. They would have never caught us. Then we got hit with a plague, but now we’re bringing it back into… I talked about a V and the fake news said it won’t happen. It’s a super V. crowd: (18:31)Four more years. Donald Trump: (18:31)Super V. crowd: (18:32)Four more years. Donald Trump: (18:42)Thank you. crowd: (18:42)Four more years. Four more years. Donald Trump: (18:42)Thank you very much. crowd: (18:43)Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Donald Trump: (18:43)Thank you. Thank you very much. crowd: (18:43)Four more years. Donald Trump: (18:43)Now we have a super V. That’s even better. They all said, “Oh, it won’t be a V. It’ll be a K or it’ll be an S.” They have no idea what the hell they’re talking about. They want to make it as bad as possible, but it’s a super V. That’s what’s going to happen. And a big thing in the election, if we win, you’re going to see a stock market that roars. We have a headwind and the headwind is we’re in an election. If Biden ever got in, you’ll go… I mean, can you imagine quadrupling everyone’s taxes and all of the regulations put back on? Donald Trump: (19:13)And I’m a believer in regulation, but not where it takes you 20 years to build a highway. By the way, we’re down to two years. We’re going to get it down to one. And it may get rejected. And if it does, that’s fine, for safety reasons, for environmental reasons, something. But you’re going to know in a year, and you’re going to be able to build your highway. And it’s so much… You have no idea. We have done… You are so lucky I’m your president. Donald Trump: (19:41)You are so lucky. You are so lucky that we’ve taken this journey together. Right. We’ve taken this journey, this beautiful journey together. And it is, it’s been an amazing journey, but we’ve accomplished so much. At every turn Biden twisted his knife into the backs of Pennsylvania workers. When sleepy Joe Biden was giving China your jobs, his family was raking in millions and millions of dollars from the Chinese communist party. crowd: (20:11)Boo. Donald Trump: (20:11)And whether you like it or not, Joe Biden is a corrupt politician. And you see what’s happened. And they don’t like that. See, what they’ll do is they’re going to do… Because they don’t want any of that to get out, because we’ve learned a lot about the media. They don’t let any of this get out. They don’t want any of it to get out. Donald Trump: (20:28)Nobody knew this. We have learned more in the last two weeks about the media and about the tech giants, big tech. We’ve learned a lot. We learned a lot. But you know what? The word spreads. It’s very hard for them. Take a look at this. The word spreads. If Biden wins, China wins. When we win, America wins and we produce the greatest economy ever. Donald Trump: (20:53)In 2016, Pennsylvania voted to fire this corrupt political establishment. And you elected an outsider as president who is finally putting America first. You mind? You mind? And if I don’t sound like a typical Washington politician, it’s because I’m not a politician. Donald Trump: (21:18)This is one of the reasons I got elected. Like these guys, like my friends, they’re good politicians. If I don’t always play by the rules of Washington and the Washington establishment, it’s because I was elected to fight for you. And I fight harder for you than any president has ever fought. That I can tell you. Donald Trump: (21:40)And I’m not just running against Joe Biden. I’m running against the left wing media, the big tech giants, the rhinos. You know what a rhino is? A rhino is Republican in name only. We know too many of them. Right. But they’re a dying breed. They can’t believe it. They used to make so much money. And now, they’re reduced to doing other things. They don’t like us too much, but that’s okay. That’s the way it’s supposed to be. Donald Trump: (22:10)And the Washington swamp, we are draining. The swamp was very deep and very vicious. On Tuesday, November 3rd, you can send them a message that they will never forget. You don’t have to take my word, on Biden’s betrayals. So what I do for very special states like Pennsylvania, what I do is we produce a video. Go take a look. It’s an expensive video. Take a look. Speaker 1: (22:38)We love you Donald Trump. Speaker 2: (22:38)Get Biden to [crosstalk 00:22:44]. Joe Biden: (22:45)I have never said, I oppose fracking. Donald Trump: (22:46)You said it on tape. Joe Biden: (22:48)I did… Show the tape. Put it on your website. Donald Trump: (22:51)I’ll put it on. Joe Biden: (22:52)Put it on the website. Speaker 2: (22:53)Would there be any place for fossil fuels, including coal and fracking in a Biden administration? Joe Biden: (23:00)No, we would work it out. We would make sure it’s eliminated. I guarantee we’re going to use fossil fuel. No more, no new fracking. I’d gradually move away from fracking. Speaker 3: (23:13)And I think it’s critically important on day one that we end any fossil fuel leases on public lands. Speaker 4: (23:22)But Biden, what about say, stopping fracking. Joe Biden: (23:22)Yes. Speaker 4: (23:24)And stopping pipeline infrastructure? Joe Biden: (23:25)Yes, no pipeline. Exactly. Speaker 3: (23:27)There’s no question, I’m in favor of banning fracking. Speaker 2: (23:30)I have one final question, it falls- Donald Trump: (23:34)Would he close down the oil industry? Speaker 2: (23:34)It falls… Donald Trump: (23:34)Would you close down the oil industry? Speaker 2: (23:34)It falls… Joe Biden: (23:35)I would transition from the oil industry. Yes. Donald Trump: (23:37)Oh, that’s a big difference. Joe Biden: (23:38)I would transition. That is a big different. Donald Trump: (23:40)In terms of business, that’s a bigger statement. Speaker 2: (23:42)Okay. We have one final question. Mr. President. Donald Trump: (23:42)Because basically what he’s saying is he is going to destroy the oil industry. Will you remember that Texas? Speaker 2: (23:49)Okay. Donald Trump: (23:49)Will you remember that Pennsylvania? Joe Biden: (23:55)No, we have to come together. That’s why I’m running. I’m running as a proud Democrat for the Senate. So vote, vote. Visit iwill.com/ohio. God bless you. Speaker 5: (24:10)Can somebody tell Joe, by the way, it’s not a real website. And Joe, you’re running for president, not Senator. And by the way, that Senator, the Mormon guy, is Mitt Romney. Not some Mormon governor. Now, sadly, what we showed you, that’s just from a couple of hours today. Because every time that Joe actually leaves the basement bunker and stays out past 10:00 AM, well, disaster ensues. Here’s a quick reminder. Joe Biden: (24:38)Tomorrow’s Superstar Thursday. And I want to thank you all. I tell you what, I’m rushing ahead, aren’t I? We hold these truths to be self-evident. All men and women created by the… Go. You know the thing. Do you agree with me? Go to Joe 30330. We choose truth over facts. Joe Biden: (25:00)Play the radio, make sure the television… Excuse me, make sure you have the record player on at night, the phone. Make sure the kids hear words. Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids. Donald Trump does pose an actual strength to this… It’s not hypothetical. Speaker 5: (25:19)This is pretty serious. By the way, these are way beyond an occasional campaign gaff. And I am beginning… Well, I’m more than a little worry that this man could represent a clear and present danger to this country. He’s obviously not capable of leading. Speaker 5: (25:37)He’s been hiding the entire campaign and the corrupt media mob is covering for him. Joe wants to be the president of the United States of America. That would be the toughest job in the world. And at times, Joe doesn’t seem to remember that he’s even running for president, or what state he’s in, or what day of the week it is. Does anyone really believe that, if elected, that Joe Biden will actually be in control of anything? Joe Biden: (26:03)What kind of country are we going to be? Four more years of Georgia. Georgia we’re going to find ourselves in a position where, if Trump gets elected, we’re going to be in a different world. I’ll lead an effective strategy to mobilize [trunalimunumaprzure 00:32:03]. Speaker 5: (26:19)[inaudible 00:26:25]. Speaker 6: (26:20)Trick or treat. Speaker 7: (26:20)Oh, what do we have here? Speaker 8: (26:30)Spooky, spooky, spooky, spooky. Creepy. It’s big uncle Joe. Speaker 7: (26:35)Oh, it’s funny. It’s Joe. Speaker 8: (26:40)Come on, man. Candy’s for the kids. Speaker 7: (26:45)Maybe he forgot. Speaker 8: (26:45)Wait a minute. You look familiar. Who are you? Speaker 7: (26:53)Are we going to let him get away with this? Speaker 8: (27:05)She took everything. crowd: (27:06)We want Trump. We want Trump. We want Trump. We want Trump. We want Trump. Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. Donald Trump: (27:35)Thank you very much. There’s a lot of truth in that, isn’t there? This election is a choice between a Biden depression, which is what will happen, or a Trump boom. There’s going to be a boom. It’s a choice between a deadly Biden lockdown. And by the way, Governor, open up the state of Pennsylvania. Open them up. Donald Trump: (28:07)Open up those schools, open it up. Or a safe vaccine that ends the pandemic. It’s ending anyway, but we have the greatest companies in the world and we’re literally weeks away. And we’re going to mass distribute the vaccine in just a little while. We have our great military doing it and they are set to do this. They’re going to do it so quickly. We’ll eradicate more quickly the virus. Wipe out the China plague once and for all. Donald Trump: (28:36)And it’s back to work, back to work, which is what we want. You know what we want? We want normal. We want normal. We want normal. Let’s go back, go back seven months. Hello. How are you doing? Biden will delay the vaccine and impose a crushing lockdown on all America. Jimmy wants to lock it down. He has no idea. They’ll tell him what to do. He’ll do whatever they ask. Donald Trump: (29:01)Even on the youngest Americans who are at the lowest risk, like Barron Trump, 14 years old. “Sir, your son just tested positive.” I said, “Positive for what, doc?” He didn’t say the China plague. Yes, he said, “He’s got COVID.” So he’s 14. He’s very tall. You know, Baron, right? He’s very tall. But he’s strong. And he’s got tough… I asked 12 minutes later. How’s Baron doing? “Sir, he’s fine. It’s all gone.” I said, “That wasn’t too long, Doc. Are you sure he had it.” “Yeah, he had it.” Donald Trump: (29:36)That’s why I say, get the kids back to school. Get them back. Get them back to school. But I had it. I’m sure you didn’t hear that. Did you hear that, sir? Did you see the debate the other night? Yes. It was a big debate. They had a lot of people watch it. That was good. That was good. We did a good job of exposing… That was like Perry Mason. Donald Trump: (30:01)You know the whole thing about the oil? I said, “Well, wait a minute. Let’s talk about this. We’re just about ready to go off the air.” Even she, she looked, Kristen Walker. She was fair. She wasn’t supposed to be, she was fair. She looked at him when he’s making a statement about, “Yeah, we’re going to transition out of oil. We’re going to transition out of this, out of the fracking.” And she said, “Why did you say that?” Right. Even I said. I felt like Perry Mason. In the end, everything’s going badly. And then, “I did it. I did it.” It was him. I’m going to transition. He didn’t have to answer. Donald Trump: (30:36)I said, “You mean you’re going to get out of oil” “No, I’m going to transition.” “Oh, that’s okay. What did you say?” And I just hope you people were listening. Okay. Because that’s where it’s coming. The Biden lockdown will result in countless deaths from suicide, drug overdose, deferred medical care, all sorts of abuse, all sorts of problems. The cure can never be worse, remember, I’ve been saying it from the beginning, than the problem itself. You can’t do that. Donald Trump: (31:04)He will imprison you in your home, letting writers roam free. We call this a protest because the only way you can meet is if you have a protest. They weren’t expecting this kind of a protest. Right. If you want to go to church, if you want to go to church, you can’t. Donald Trump: (31:22)If you want to burn down the stores and run down Main Street and knock people over and do whatever you want to do, that’s okay. Because they want to make sure that they can protest. Not with me. Under Biden, there will be no school, no graduations, no weddings, no Thanksgiving, no Easter, no Christmas, no 4th of July. No nothing. crowd: (31:44)Boo. Donald Trump: (31:46)Other than that, you’re going to have a wonderful life. Now, we’ve got a great future. We have more potential in this country. He made a mistake and I watched him. It was really boring. That’s the case. 10 people and Obama came, brought another 10 with them. They have nobody. All you hear is a couple of horns. And most- Donald Trump: (32:03)And with them, they have nobody. All you hear is a couple of horns, and most of the horns are from our people. Did you see? And he called them, what did he call them? Ugly people or something, that was terrible. He shouldn’t say, it’s not politically correct. He’s been in this business a long time, 47 years. He shouldn’t be saying that. Yeah, but most of the noise is our people. It’s like, ah, this is some… You know, in history, there’s never been a movement like this. There really hasn’t. There’s never been anything like this. There’s never been. And we have the fake news, 96% against us. Think of it, because you’re smart. The smartest people are you, you get it. No, you have them against… Oh, their heads are exploding, as a friend of ours would say. If you want a vaccine to kill the virus, a job to support your great family, and freedom to live your life, then I am asking you to vote for Republican. Vote for Trump. Let’s keep it going. We’ll keep it going. We’ll keep it going. Donald Trump: (33:10)We have more potential. But Biden said today, he said, there’s never been a better time to run, there’s never been a better time to run this country. This country is in great shape. And I’m saying, wait a minute. He’s not supposed to be saying that. It was sort of a strange thing, but I don’t know if anybody picked it up. I’m sure if they did, they wouldn’t mention it. Oh, if I did, it’s a disaster. I have to watch every word. Even pronunciation. If you pronounce a word slightly off, you know, you’re talking for five days, one word, it’s like, oh… These people are the worst. Donald Trump: (33:43)Joining us today are the opposite of the worst. They’re warriors, and they’ve been with me from the beginning. 197 to nothing with the fake impeachment, the impeachment over a phone call. Hello, congratulations on winning. Right? Ukraine. If you see any corruption, please report it to the attorney general of the United States, because they have a lot of corruption in Ukraine. They say, let’s impeach him for that. And what a disgrace, honestly. Wasn’t that a disgrace? Think of it. The time wasted, the time wasted. But we have some people that fought with me, and on other things too, and we haven’t lost. We haven’t lost yet. Donald Trump: (34:25)We’ll start with a man who is great, respected by everybody in Washington and here, and loved by this entire state, Congressman Mike Kelly. A real friend. Great guy, great guy. And another warrior, Guy Reschenthaler. Guy, where’s Guy? What happened to your location, Guy? What happened? You’re being very nice to a lot of people, Guy, that’s very good. Thank you. Great help. And another one, Congressman GT Thompson. GT. Great, thank you. Great job. They’re warriors. They really are incredible, and we want to get you a couple of… GT, can we get you a couple of other warriors, do you mind? Congressional candidate, Luke Negron. Luke Negron, [inaudible 00:03:26]. I heard you’re doing very well, Luke. Go win, get them and get these people out, get the Nancy Pelosi crowd out. Crazy Nancy. Crazy Nancy. They don’t represent your values. They don’t. Donald Trump: (35:40)Another one who’s going to be an absolute star, running against a lamb, a little lamb. Running against a lamb. And this guy is, he’s fantastic, I’ll tell you. You have to see his record, he’s a hero. He’s a hero. He’s a star. I’m even tweeting him all the time. I said, he’s got it. You know, they fixed around and played around with a district, now they’re having a problem with ballots. They sent like, thousands of ballots out, and they were wrong. So they said, oh, don’t worry about them. Just send them in. They will, do you know where they’ll send them to? The Elections Commission. So Sean’s got to be careful, but Sean is a star. Sean, Sean Parnell. Sean. He’s a star. And he’s a tough cookie. Tough cookie. Maybe tough enough, I don’t know, this is interesting, Sean may be tough enough to have played football for the great Lou Holtz, who’s a friend of mine. Where is Lou Holtz? Come here a little, come here. Donald Trump: (36:51)So Lou has been, Lou is a great, great coach and a great guy, and he’s an inspiration to a lot of people. He just lost his incredible wife. How many years, Lou, were you with her? Lou Holtz: (37:02)59 years. Donald Trump: (37:03)59. That’s one I’ll never be able to top you on, Lou. But he had a great wife who was really brave in what she went through, and he’s getting the Presidential Medal of Freedom for just an outstanding life. Want to say something, Lou? Say something, go ahead. Lou Holtz: (37:22)I am just so humbled to be here. This crowd, the enthusiasm, the people, are tremendous. The only thing I want to say is, ask yourself if you didn’t show up, who would miss you and why. Think what’d happen if President Trump hadn’t shown up in the year 2016, and what he has done for this country and how great. Let’s just show up on November 3rd or before then to make sure that this country has a chance, because this isn’t about Republican/Democrat. It’s about right versus wrong, good versus evil, freedom. Thank you. Donald Trump: (38:13)Hey, I’m glad I brought him up, huh? That’s great. He’s a great gentleman. A great man. We’re also joined by many members of UAW Local 3303, where are you? They’ve been great. They have been great. What a group. Thank you, fellas, appreciate it. Thank you, fellas. Appreciate it very much. Great people. We have so many endorsements from so many, but we have almost every law enforcement group is endorsing us. Almost every one. We have a lot. So who’s with law enforcement tonight, law enforcement? Yep. Tremendous. Donald Trump: (38:56)The sheriffs, Florida, Oklahoma, Texas, Louisiana, New York’s finest endorsed, first time they’ve ever endorsed a presidential candidate, so it’s been a great. Chicago, can you imagine Chicago with the police? Police in Chicago, they’re having a hard time. They have people that won’t let them do their job. They just won’t let them do their job. When you see the New York stats go way up, Chicago go way up, and then Portland, we want to go into Portland so badly. Take out the anarchists, it would take us about 25 minutes. You saw what happened in Minneapolis, you know, after a week and a half. They could have called a little quicker, like, about an hour. But remember the CNN, look, the light always goes off whenever… Turn the light on. He’s talking about us again. It’s all right. Their ratings aren’t that good, so it’s not like you’re losing [inaudible 00:07:49]. Donald Trump: (39:50)Remember that guy, does the little shave job, right? I was thinking about doing it, but I wanted to remain your president. No, shaved head, he goes… Ali Velshi, right? Ali Velshi? I don’t even know who the hell he is, I just have a good memory. Ali Velshi. And he’s going, this is a peaceful protest. You know, he’s being hit by rocks and stuff. This is a peaceful protest, it’s wonderful to see such a peaceful protest. And then they have the camera on him, and behind, you have a city that’s burning. It’s blocks long. I’ve never seen fire like that. I always say it looked like Berlin in the worst day of the war. And he’s saying this is a peaceful protest. Well, this is a peaceful protest also. Donald Trump: (40:32)For 47 years, Joe Biden betrayed, insulted, jailed and attacked Black Americans. He called them super predators. He used the term super predators. He’s not a good person, that I can tell you. You know, because some people knew him in prime time. This is no longer prime time, now he’s shot. Some people knew him in prime time. He’s not. And frankly, if he were, I would never say the things I say about him, but he’s not a good person. Donald Trump: (41:04)I signed landmark criminal justice reform, and in a second term, will continue fighting for African Americans like never before. And I appreciate the support that I’m getting in the election. It’s very early, but I really appreciate it. From African Americans and from Hispanic Americans, the support has been incredible. In Florida, you have to see what’s going on. You’re going to go home, they’re trying to figure out what is going on. I never say we won Florida. I’ve never said we won anything, you know. But I’ll tell you, it’s going to be tough for them to catch us. It’s going to be very tough. We’ve had tremendous support from the Black community, from the Hispanic community. It’s been incredible. All over, all over, and we appreciate it. But when he’s calling and using terms like super predator, which is a term that you can’t use, but he used it all over the place… Donald Trump: (41:58)To protect our security, I suspended the entry of foreign refugees from terror-afflicted nations. Biden has pledged a staggering 700% increase in refugees from the most violent terrorist hotspots anywhere on Earth. If you don’t mind, I’ll end that. And that was the deal, the manifesto that he agreed to with Bernie Sanders and AOC plus three, right? So you had Bernie Sanders… This actually took them further left. Bernie wasn’t even… A 700% increase. The Biden plan would overwhelm your communities and hospitals and open the floodgates to radical Islamic terrorism. Call France, ask them how are they doing. How are they doing? You saw what’s happened. What’s happened is a disgrace. I called the president, Macron, good, good friend of mine, great guy, and I just gave our condolences on behalf of our country. But what’s going on over there is terrible. So if you don’t mind, we’ll take a pass. Is that okay? Donald Trump: (42:59)You know I passed the ban, right? The ban. And everybody said, oh, what a terrible thing. A lot of them said, what a terrible thing, but let’s not fight it. And we won at the Supreme Court a long time ago, and now we keep people out who can’t love our country, or people that want to hurt people. We want them out and we will keep them out. I am also keeping the terrorists and jihadists… And again, some people say that’s not politically acceptable, but whether it is or not, I have to do what’s right for our country. We are keeping them the hell out of our country. Donald Trump: (43:35)We invested $2.5 trillion, most ever in the United States military. We’ve totally rebuilt our military. Our military was depleted. Our military was totally depleted from years of endless wars that just kept going on and on. We became the policeman of nations, and we invested 2.5. We have the finest equipment in the world. We are the envy of Russia and China and North Korea and anybody else. We have equipment, the rockets and missiles and tanks and submarines. Submarines, nobody does like we have, the submarines and all of the things that we’ve been doing and building. And our planes, you have 35 Stealth. They can’t see it. It’s hard to shoot down because you can’t see it. The enemy says, you know, we want to figure that one out, and in five years, they will. Donald Trump: (44:28)The only thing they won’t figure out is the wall and the wheel, right? The wall and the wheel. We are doing great on that wall. It’s almost complete. That’s why you don’t hear about it anymore. And we saved a place called, I’m sure you’ve never heard of it, the Philadelphia shipyard, you know that? And Biden was shutting it down. They were shutting it down, and we said, no, thank you, we’ll keep it open. And it’s still in a good job. We also passed VA choice and VA accountability, our great vets. And we recently got a 91% approval rating from our vets. So now the vets can go online, and if they have to wait a long time to see a doctor, we have great doctors in there, but they’d have to wait two weeks, three weeks, a long time. They go out, they get a doctor, local doctor, we take care of the bill, and we take care of our great vets. We take care of our vets. Donald Trump: (45:26)They’d been trying to get that for 44 years or something. And the accountability is where they don’t treat our… We have people that work there that don’t treat our vets with respect. They don’t treat them good. They don’t love our vets like we do. And we couldn’t do anything about it, because of unions and because of civil service and lots of other reasons, and they’ve been trying to get this for over 40 years. And now if we have somebody that doesn’t treat our vets right, if they’re sadistic, if they steal from them, if they do bad things to them, we say, Jim, sorry, you’re fired. Get the hell out of here. And we get them out. Donald Trump: (46:07)And we terminated about 8,000 people that should have never been there, we couldn’t do anything about it. So our vets are leading a much better life. Really, it’s a tremendous thing. Not that I like firing people. I don’t like firing people, but they’re leading a much better life. They were some terrible people in there, they couldn’t do a thing about it. You couldn’t do it a thing about it. Last night, they never thought they’d get that one passed. Last night, at my direction, the United States military conducted a successful operation to rescue an American hostage kidnapped overseas. It was 96 hours, 96 hours. Our incredible people from the US special forces brilliantly executed a daring nighttime operation. They kidnapped an American in a far away land. Over the last four years, we’ve rescued over 55 hostages and detainees in more than 24 countries. Donald Trump: (47:11)And we don’t pay. We never pay. If you pay, you’ll have thousands of people. All of a sudden you can’t pay. Now, this is sort of a lesson. We had no casualties, nobody injured, except the other side was badly injured, I’ll tell you. You have no idea. I won’t tell you how badly injured, but they kidnapped an American and they can’t do that. And I just want to thank special forces, these are really special forces, but they’re really special people. And today’s operation should serve as a stark warning to terrorists and thugs who try to kidnap our people, no matter where it may be. You cannot escape the long reach of American justice. So they did a great job. And as you know, we wiped out 100% of the- Donald Trump: (48:03)We wiped out 100% of the ISIS caliphate in Syria in Iraq. And we killed the vicious, horrible founder and leader of ISIS, al-Baghdadi. They were looking for him for 18 years. One of the first things I said is, “Find al-Baghdadi.” And they found him and they killed him. That was Conan, right? Conan the dog. Conan, who was incredible. In fact, they gave Conan far more credit than the president, but that’s okay. He deserved it. Actually. Donald Trump: (48:41)We took out the mass murderer of US troops in many trips, in many people. The worst terrorist of them all, Soleimani is dead, Soleimani is dead. And I withdrew from last administration’s disastrous Iran nuclear deal, 150 billion. For nothing, for nothing. 1.8 billion in cash we gave them. Can you believe it? What is 1.8 billion Mike in cash? How did you let that happen, Mike? He said, “It wasn’t my fault.” Donald Trump: (49:13)I recognized the capital of Israel and opened the American embassy in Jerusalem. I also recognized Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights. they’ve been working on it for 52 years. We got it done in two hours. And instead of endless war, we’re forging peace in the Middle East. You see what’s happening? They’re all coming together. No more blood in the sand. Donald Trump: (49:40)Biden will plunge us into one ridiculous foreign war after another. He loves the war stuff. It’s like, Hey, we want to have the greatest stuff in the world. We don’t have to fight, but if we ever fight, we only fight to win. We only fight to win. Not let’s do this. Oh, let’s not do that. No, if we fight, we fight to win. crowd: (50:01)USA. USA. USA. USA. USA. USA. Donald Trump: (50:01)Thank you. crowd: (50:01)USA. USA. USA. Donald Trump: (50:11)Thank you very much. crowd: (50:12)USA. USA. Donald Trump: (50:14)A vote for me and the Republican party is a vote to save the American dream. Very simple. And just remember the late, great Abraham Lincoln happened to be a Republican, right? Got to remember that. You got to remember that. Donald Trump: (50:33)In conclusion over the next four… I could stay with you all night. I have to go to another part. Can you believe it? I’m going to take that chopper. We’re going to go to another part of Pennsylvania and then we’re going to have such a big day on Tuesday. Donald Trump: (50:55)No, the fake news can’t believe it. They follow me all over the… They say, “This guy’s got a lot of energy,” I’ll tell you. crowd: (51:02)Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Four more years. Donald Trump: (51:18)Thank you very much. Over the next four years, we will make America into the manufacturing superpower of the world. And we will end our reliance on China. And we’ve already started that, long ago actually. We will hire more police, increased penalties for assaults on law enforcement. And we will ban deadly sanctuary cities. Donald Trump: (51:43)We will defend the right to life, free speech, religious liberty and the right to keep and bear arms. Second amendment. The second amendment is under siege. Don’t worry. As long as I’m here, it’s not under siege. And you guys are right there with me. You guys are right there with me. Donald Trump: (52:07)We will maintain America’s unrivaled military might. That’s what we’ve done. That’s what we’ve done. Like we’ve never had before. And we will ensure peace through strength. We will end surprise medical billing, require price transparency. Starts January 1st. Bigger than healthcare, you watch. All set to go. January 1st, all signed up. Donald Trump: (52:33)Lower drug prices, even more. Favored nations, we’re going to go from the highest to the lowest price anywhere in the world. The drug companies are not good fans of President Trump. They don’t like me. They’re taking out more ads than Sleepy Joe about me. They’re saying things about me in those ads and all I’m doing is just give me the lowest price in the world. I don’t know. They come up with things. It’s not good to do that. I don’t know to me, it’s good to do that. Donald Trump: (53:01)And we will always protect patients with pre-existing conditions. America will land the first woman on the moon and the United States will be the first nation to land an astronaut on Mars. Very excited actually. And don’t forget, that’s on top of Space Force. With everything else we did. Space Force. We created the first new branch. 75 years, Air Force was the last one. Now we have Space Force. And we never even used to talk about that at the rallies. Right. Donald Trump: (53:35)I’ve actually done more, I really believe that, I think I’ve done more than I promised. I may be the only politician, if you call me a politician. We’ve done more than I promised. I think that might be a first. We’ll have to check that out. Check that out for us [inaudible 00:05:47]. Donald Trump: (53:48)Space Force, we needed it. That is something, when I became president, I saw Russia, I saw China. I saw what was going on. I said, “We have to do that too.” And I got great help from the Republican Senate and from these gentlemen right here. And we actually had some bipartisan help, believe it or not, which is not easy to get. Donald Trump: (54:06)We will stop the radical indoctrination of our students and restore patriotic education to our schools. We will teach our children to love our country, honor our history and always respect our great American flag. And we will live by the timeless words of our national motto, in God we trust. crowd: (54:33)In God we trust. Donald Trump: (54:37)At the Democrat national convention. Right. The pledge of allegiance, they took the word God out. crowd: (54:43)Boo. Donald Trump: (54:44)And I watched it. And I said, “They must’ve made a typo.” The problem was that I heard it a second time. And I said, “That was not a typo.” And the American public went crazy. And all of a sudden they put it back, but that’s where they’re coming from. Never going to happen with me, never going to happen with these guys. Right. Never going To happen with our guys. Right fellows? Donald Trump: (55:11)For years, you had a president who apologized for America. Now you have a president who is standing up for America and standing up for the great people of Pennsylvania. It’s true. For the last four years, you’ve seen me fight for you. And now I’m relying on you to deliver another historic victory for our country. Donald Trump: (55:35)On November 3rd, we must finish the job. Have to go out and vote. Just have to go out and vote. We’re going to finish draining the swamp. It’s deeper and more vicious than anybody ever thought. Swamp creatures, yeah. It’s a great term. Swamp, you know the swamp creatures, we got them all over Washington. crowd: (55:57)Drain the swamp. Drain the swamp. Drain the swamp. Drain the swamp. Drain the swamp. Drain the swamp. Drain the swamp. Drain the swamp. Drain the swamp. Donald Trump: (56:15)So get your friends, get your family, get your neighbors, get your coworkers, grab your boss. Come on boss. And you have to get out and vote, November 3rd. On November 3rd. And you want to do that. You want to pick that… We’re so well because November 3rd, people, they just want to get out and vote. We’re going to have a historic day. I really believe that we’re going to have it. Just based on what’s going on throughout all these other states. But we win Pennsylvania, we win it all. You know that, right? Donald Trump: (56:45)We win Pennsylvania, we win it all. If we win Pennsylvania, it’s over. Over. And I told you, Florida’s looking so good and Ohio is looking so great. They’ve always been great. They’ve always been great. They get it. For generations, America’s destiny was made forged. Hello, Fox. No, they’re very happy. I think I love them. I might as well wait till they finish up. Speaker 9: (57:15)We love you President Trump. crowd: (57:15)We love Trump. We love Trump. We love Trump. We love Trump. Donald Trump: (57:15)Thank you. crowd: (57:15)We love Trump. We love Trump. Donald Trump: (57:15)Thank you. crowd: (57:15)We love Trump. Donald Trump: (57:41)Just such a friendly group. I said and I don’t want to interrupt them. They have it. No, that was good. Thank you very much. We do appreciate it. For generations, America’s destiny was made, forged and won in places like Johnstown and Pittsburgh, Erie, Altoona, Bethlehem, and right here in Butler. True. crowd: (58:00)Yeah. Donald Trump: (58:02)Our American ancestors gave their blood, sweat, and tears to defend our country and our freedom. We stand on the shoulders of American heroes who crossed the ocean, settled the continent, tamed the wilderness, laid down the railroads, raised up the skyscrapers, won two World Wars, defeated fascism and communism. And made America into the single greatest nation in the history of the world. And the best is yet to come. The best is yet to come. Truly. Donald Trump: (58:38)Proud citizens like you helped build this country. And together we are taking back our country. We are returning power to you, the American people. That’s what we’re doing. Ultimately, that’s what we’re doing. Right? Speaker 10: (58:51)Thank you. Donald Trump: (58:52)With your help, your devotion and your drive. We are going to keep on working. We are going to keep on fighting and we are going to keep on winning, winning, winning. We are one movement, one people, one family, and one glorious nation under God. And together with the incredible people of Pennsylvania, we have made America powerful again. Our great military, our great, great military. We have made America wealthy again. Your 401(k)s are doing great. Your 401(k)s. And if we could get Biden out of the way, you’ll see a stock market that goes through the roof. He’s a headwind. You know what I call him? I call him Joe Headwind. He’s a head… We get him out of the way, you’ll see a stock market that goes through the roof. It’s already. Could you imagine in the middle of a pandemic we’re doing so well? Speaker 11: (59:56)Get him out of there. Donald Trump: (59:57)We have made America strong again. We have made America proud again. We have made America safe again. And we will make America great again. Thank you, Pennsylvania. Thank you. 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oct donald trump hold campaign rally butler pennsylvania october read transcript speech remark transcribe content try rev save time transcribe captioning subtitle donald trump thank hello pennsylvania let pennsylvania get thing year ago feeling look feeling go hello butler butler right day go win commonwealth pennsylvania go win year great beautiful white house support continue bring job cut taxis cut regulation ensure product stamp proudly wonderful term usa talk year great economic year history country see happen day like report gdp big history big history far people big moment country economically like report lot fake news lot fake news audience love trump love trump love trump donald trump audience love trump love trump love trump donald trump audience love trump love trump love trump love trump love trump donald trump biden shut economy ship job china pay lot money raise taxis trillion send state deep catastrophic depression go happen go raise taxis man see campaign raise taxis life see guy study politic see go raise taxis primary theme go raise taxis end fracke thing remember donald trump say year come pennsylvania say million job oh okay leave fracke people will let boss will let biden vow abolish entire oil industry fracke mining natural gas heating winter air conditioning summer electricity peak hour gas price like gas right darling let sell car little bit large let compact biden plan economic death sentence pennsylvania outlaw fracke eradicate great economy great year year year go good happen taxis fracke go real problem pennsylvania donald trump kamala harris pronounce exactly right get upset great vice president beat badly debate badly far liberal senator senate fact bernie sander like conservative comparison sponsor green new deal beauty green new deal great news pennsylvania happen like break news ready break news protect ready moment ago sign order protect pennsylvania fracke block effort undermine energy production state word maniac come go end fracke go destroy commonwealth pennsylvania sorry sign beautiful marine donald trump say right right whoa good way arrive right sign helicopter sign honored protect go let go long fight pennsylvania oil natural gas marcellus shale contribute billion local economy billion lot say oh year right stage super liberal like run republican remember plus say want want good time way consider good time okay okay let ask well place anytime trump rally right have good time good time donald trump know good time president administration half year tax cut regulation cut rebuild military help vet thing good time fight nasty deep state win go know go florida ooh look good concerned say go florida love florida get lot vote base polling polling let go today let like go suppression let vote actually come look good place call pennsylvania tell everybody tell everybody donald trump mike see great congressman mike see good good number good number incredible crowd like honestly stop believe fourth fourth guy home darle have dinner get speak tonight right right get get got job sure vote pennsylvania oil natural gas support nearly million pennsylvania job sleepy joe hear say yeah course like fracke go happen will happen real state export energy export big thing donald trump joe biden elect cancel know go terminate frankly well word terminate energy industry job want wind want want wind honestly think want energy period close factory think want think idea want know joe fact clue totally shoot okay new sunglass aviator glass right little bit large cover new eye vote biden harris vote ban fracke ban mining completely destroy pennsylvania bad vote vote remain energy independent build strong economy history state country economy grow fast rate record fake news want talk think fast nation world donald trump past month create record million american job know build strong foundation great economy history country plague plague come china close little close foundation strong know see auto production housing production number roof number big well know mike kelly number big well plague come okay pretty amazing right pretty amazing foundation foundation opposite big trouble fast nation foreign nation total free fall create world great economic powerhouse donald trump go great year year mean somebody come quadruple taxis go raise taxis recent gallup poll amazing come find americans well today year ago obamabiden administration fairness pandemic round corner pandemic pandemic think audience donald trump biden thank know wow get look like end people lot people lot people biden get economy donald trump donald trump year outsource job open border sacrifice american blood treasure endless foreign war country hear biden washington vulture decimate steel mill annihilate coal job sure support disastrous sellout trade deal half century donald trump cheerleader nafta bad trade deal china entry world trade organization consider level advantage advantage consider develop nation say go develop nation develop nation develop nation advantage treat badly say look go talk donald trump pull world health organization know million people china billion people right pay million year pay million year addition guy credit guy practically run place right pay pay small population strong economy beat year anybody business hear china surpass united states economy china go big economy come skyrocket way way catch catch get hit plague bring talk v fake news say will happen super v crowd year donald trump v crowd year donald trump crowd year year donald trump crowd year year year donald trump thank crowd year donald trump super v well say oh will v k s idea hell talk want bad possible super v go happen big thing election win go stock market roar headwind headwind election biden get mean imagine quadruple taxis regulation donald trump believer regulation take year build highway way year go reject fine safety reason environmental reason go know year go able build highway idea lucky president donald trump lucky lucky take journey right take journey beautiful journey amazing journey accomplish turn biden twist knife back pennsylvania worker sleepy joe biden give china job family rake million million dollar chinese communist party crowd donald trump like joe biden corrupt politician happen like go want learn lot medium let want donald trump know learn week medium tech giant big tech learn lot learn lot know word spread hard look word spread biden win china win win america wins produce great economy donald trump pennsylvania vote fire corrupt political establishment elect outsider president finally put america mind mind sound like typical washington politician politician donald trump reason get elect like guy like friend good politician play rule washington washington establishment elect fight fight hard president fight tell donald trump run joe biden run left wing medium big tech giant rhino know rhino rhino republican know right die breed believe money reduce thing like okay way suppose donald trump washington swamp drain swamp deep vicious tuesday november send message forget word biden betrayal special state like pennsylvania produce video look expensive video look speaker love donald trump speaker biden crosstalk joe biden say oppose fracke donald trump say tape joe biden tape website donald trump joe biden website speaker place fossil fuel include coal fracke biden administration joe biden work sure eliminate guarantee go use fossil fuel new fracke gradually away fracke speaker think critically important day end fossil fuel lease public land speaker biden stop fracke joe biden speaker stop pipeline infrastructure joe biden pipeline exactly speaker question favor ban fracke speaker final question fall donald trump close oil industry speaker fall donald trump close oil industry speaker fall joe biden transition oil industry yes donald trump big difference joe biden transition big different donald trump term business big statement speaker final question mr president donald trump basically say go destroy oil industry remember texas speaker donald trump remember pennsylvania joe biden come run run proud democrat senate vote vote visit iwillcomohio god bless speaker somebody tell joe way real website joe run president senator way senator mormon guy mitt romney mormon governor sadly show couple hour today time joe actually leave basement bunker stay past disaster ensue quick reminder joe biden superstar thursday want thank tell rush ahead hold truth selfevident man woman create know thing agree joe choose truth fact joe biden radio sure television excuse sure record player night phone sure kid hear word poor kid bright talented white kid donald trump pose actual strength hypothetical speaker pretty way way occasional campaign gaff begin little worry man represent clear present danger country obviously capable lead speaker hide entire campaign corrupt medium mob cover joe want president united states america tough job world time joe remember run president state day week believe elect joe biden actually control joe biden kind country go year georgia georgia go find position trump get elect go different world lead effective strategy mobilize trunalimunumaprzure speaker speaker treat speaker speaker spooky spooky spooky creepy big uncle joe speaker funny joe speaker man candy kid speaker forget speaker minute look familiar speaker go let away speaker take crowd want trump want trump want trump want trump want trump trump trump trump trump trump donald trump lot truth election choice biden depression happen trump boom go boom choice deadly biden lockdown way governor open state pennsylvania open donald trump school open safe vaccine end pandemic end great company world literally week away go mass distribute vaccine little great military set go quickly eradicate quickly virus wipe china plague donald trump work work want know want want normal want normal want normal let seven month hello biden delay vaccine impose crush lockdown america jimmy want lock idea tell ask donald trump young americans low risk like barron trump year old sir son test positive say positive doc china plague yes say get covid tall know baron right tall strong get tough ask minute later baron sir fine go say long doc sure yeah donald trump kid school school sure hear hear sir debate night yes big debate lot people watch good good good job expose like perry mason donald trump know thing oil say wait minute let talk ready air look kristen walker fair suppose fair look make statement yeah go transition oil go transition fracking say right say feel like perry mason end go badly go transition answer donald trump say mean go oil go transition oh okay hope people listen okay come biden lockdown result countless death suicide drug overdose defer medical care sort abuse sort problem cure bad remember say beginning problem donald trump imprison home let writer roam free protest way meet protest expect kind protest right want church want church donald trump want burn store run main street knock people want okay want sure protest biden school graduation wedding thanksgiving easter christmas july crowd donald trump go wonderful life get great future potential country mistake watch boring case people obama came bring hear couple horn donald trump hear couple horn horn people call ugly people terrible politically correct business long time year say yeah noise people like ah know history movement like like fake news think smart smart people oh head explode friend want vaccine kill virus job support great family freedom live life ask vote republican vote trump let go go go donald trump potential biden say today say well time run well time run country country great shape say wait minute suppose say sort strange thing know anybody pick sure mention oh disaster watch word pronunciation pronounce word slightly know talk day word like oh people bad donald trump today opposite bad warrior beginning fake impeachment impeachment phone hello congratulation win right ukraine corruption report attorney general united states lot corruption ukraine let impeach disgrace honestly disgrace think time waste time waste people fight thing lose lose donald trump start man great respect everybody washington love entire state congressman mike kelly real friend great guy great guy warrior guy reschenthaler guy guy happen location guy happen nice lot people guy good thank great help congressman gt thompson gt great thank great job warrior incredible want couple gt couple warrior mind congressional candidate luke negron luke negron inaudible hear luke win people nancy pelosi crowd crazy nancy crazy nancy represent value donald trump go absolute star run lamb little lamb run lamb guy fantastic tell record hero hero star tweet time say get know fix play district have problem ballot send like thousand ballot wrong say oh worry send know send election commission sean get careful sean star sean sean parnell sean star tough cookie tough cookie maybe tough know interesting sean tough play football great lou holtz friend lou holtz come little come donald trump lou lou great great coach great guy inspiration lot people lose incredible wife year lou lou holtz year donald trump able lou great wife brave go get presidential medal freedom outstanding life want lou ahead lou holtz humble crowd enthusiasm people tremendous thing want ask miss think happen president trump show year country great let november sure country chance republicandemocrat right versus wrong good versus evil freedom thank donald trump glad bring huh great great gentleman great man join member uaw local great great group thank fella appreciate thank fella appreciate great people endorsement law enforcement group endorse lot law enforcement tonight law enforcement yep tremendous donald trump sheriff florida oklahoma texas louisiana new york fine endorse time endorse presidential candidate great chicago imagine chicago police police chicago have hard time people will let job will let job new york stat way chicago way portland want portland badly anarchist minute see happen minneapolis know week half call little quick like hour remember cnn look light go turn light talk right rating good like lose inaudible donald trump guy little shave job right think want remain president shave head go ali velshi right ali velshi know hell good memory ali velshi go peaceful protest know hit rock stuff peaceful protest wonderful peaceful protest camera city burn block long see fire like look like berlin bad day war say peaceful protest peaceful protest donald trump year joe biden betray insult jail attack black americans call super predator term super predator good person tell know people know prime time long prime time shoot people know prime time frankly thing good person donald trump sign landmark criminal justice reform second term continue fight african americans like appreciate support get election early appreciate african americans hispanic americans support incredible florida go go home try figure go win florida say win know tell go tough catch go tough tremendous support black community hispanic community incredible appreciate call term like super predator term use place donald trump protect security suspend entry foreign refugee terrorafflicte nation biden pledge staggering increase refugee violent terrorist hotspot earth mind end deal manifesto agree bernie sander aoc plus right bernie sander actually take leave bernie increase biden plan overwhelm community hospital open floodgate radical islamic terrorism france ask see happen happen disgrace call president macron good good friend great guy give condolence behalf country go terrible mind pass okay donald trump know pass ban right ban everybody say oh terrible thing lot say terrible thing let fight win supreme court long time ago people love country people want hurt people want keep terrorist jihadist people politically acceptable right country keep hell country donald trump invest trillion united states military totally rebuild military military deplete military totally deplete year endless war keep go policeman nation invest fine equipment world envy russia china north korea anybody equipment rocket missile tank submarine submarine like submarine thing building plane stealth hard shoot enemy say know want figure year donald trump thing will figure wall wheel right wall wheel great wall complete hear anymore save place call sure hear philadelphia shipyard know biden shut shut say thank open good job pass va choice va accountability great vet recently get approval rating vet vet online wait long time doctor great doctor wait week week long time doctor local doctor care bill care great vet care vet donald trump try year accountability treat people work treat vet respect treat good love vet like union civil service lot reason try year somebody treat vet right sadistic steal bad thing jim sorry fire hell donald trump terminate people vet lead well life tremendous thing like fire people like fire people lead well life terrible people thing thing night think pass night direction united states military conduct successful operation rescue american hostage kidnap overseas hour hour incredible people special force brilliantly execute daring nighttime operation kidnap american far away land year rescue hostage detainee country donald trump pay pay pay thousand people sudden pay sort lesson casualty injure badly injure tell idea will tell badly injure kidnap american want thank special force special force special people today operation serve stark warning terrorist thug try kidnap people matter escape long reach american justice great job know wipe donald trump wipe isis caliphate syria iraq kill vicious horrible founder leader isis albaghdadi look year thing say find albaghdadi find kill conan right conan dog conan incredible fact give conan far credit president okay deserve actually donald trump take mass murderer troop trip people bad terrorist soleimani dead soleimani dead withdraw administration disastrous iran nuclear deal billion billion cash give believe billion mike cash let happen mike say fault donald trump recognize capital israel open american embassy jerusalem recognize israeli sovereignty golan height work year get hour instead endless war forge peace middle east happen come blood sand donald trump plunge ridiculous foreign war love war stuff like hey want great stuff world fight fight fight win fight win let oh let fight fight win crowd usa usa usa usa usa donald trump crowd usa usa donald trump crowd usa donald trump vote republican party vote save american dream simple remember late great abraham lincoln happen republican right get remember get remember donald trump conclusion stay night believe go chopper go pennsylvania go big day tuesday donald trump fake news believe follow guy get lot energy tell crowd year year year year year year year year year year donald trump year america manufacture superpower world end reliance china start long ago actually hire police increase penalty assault law enforcement ban deadly sanctuary city donald trump defend right life free speech religious liberty right bear arm second amendment second amendment siege worry long siege guy right guy right donald trump maintain america unrivaled military like ensure peace strength end surprise medical billing require price transparency start january big healthcare watch set january sign donald trump drug price favor nation go high low price world drug company good fan president trump like take ad sleepy joe say thing ad low price world know come thing good know good donald trump protect patient preexist condition america land woman moon united states nation land astronaut mars excited actually forget space force space force create new branch year air force space force talk rally right donald trump actually believe think promise politician politician promise think check check inaudible donald trump force need president see russia see china see go say get great help republican senate gentleman right actually bipartisan help believe easy donald trump stop radical indoctrination student restore patriotic education school teach child love country honor history respect great american flag live timeless word national motto god trust crowd god trust donald trump democrat national convention right pledge allegiance take word god crowd donald trump watch say typo problem hear second time say typo american public go crazy sudden come go happen go happen guy right go happen guy right fellow donald trump year president apologize america president stand america stand great people pennsylvania true year see fight rely deliver historic victory country donald trump november finish job vote vote go finish drain swamp deep vicious anybody think swamp creature yeah great term swamp know swamp creature get washington crowd swamp drain swamp drain swamp drain swamp drain swamp drain swamp drain swamp drain swamp drain swamp donald trump friend family neighbor coworker grab boss come boss vote november november want want pick november people want vote go historic day believe go base go state win pennsylvania win know right donald trump win pennsylvania win win pennsylvania tell florida look good ohio look great great great generation america destiny forge hello fox happy think love wait till finish speaker love president trump crowd love trump love trump love trump love trump donald trump crowd love trump love trump donald trump crowd love trump donald trump friendly group say want interrupt good thank appreciate generation america destiny forged win place like johnstown pittsburgh erie altoona bethlehem right butler true crowd donald trump american ancestor give blood sweat tear defend country freedom stand shoulder american hero cross ocean settle continent tame wilderness lay railroad raise skyscraper win world war defeat fascism communism america single 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May 26, 2020 President Donald Trump gave a speech from the White House Rose Garden on protecting senior citizens with diabetes from coronavirus. Read the full transcript of his remarks here. Transcribe Your Own Content Try Rev for free and save time transcribing, captioning, and subtitling. Donald Trump: (00:01)And welcome to the Rose Garden as we take powerful action to lower healthcare costs for America’s seniors. Today, I’m proud to announce that we have reached a breakthrough agreement to dramatically slash the out-of-pocket costs of insulin. You know what’s happened to insulin over the years, right? Through the roof. Insulin, so many people, so necessary. For hundreds and thousands of seniors enrolled in Medicare, that’s a big deal, participating plans will cap costs at just $35 a month per type of insulin. And some plans may offer it free. So for everybody that was getting ripped off and paying tremendous prices as senior citizens… And Seema, I want to thank you because you brought this to my attention a long time ago. And you worked very hard on this day. And the press won’t even cover it, but they’ll cover things that are unimportant. Donald Trump: (01:11)But this is a big day for seniors. This is a tremendous saving, and it allows people that… If you don’t take insulin… I just wrote this down. You go blind, stroke, amputation, kidney failure, and other things. So we’re getting it down $35 per month. And it would be anywhere from 50 to 150 to over $200 a month. So it’s a massive cut, I guess 60-70. Nobody’s seen anything like this for a long time. Sleepy Joe, can’t do this, that I can tell you. In fact, it was his problem with Obamacare that caused part of your problem. This will save impacted Americans am average of minimum $ 446 just on insulin costs a year. We’re pleased to be joined by Vice President Mike Pence and Surgeon General Jerome Adams. I also want to thank Seema again. Thank you very much for the job you’ve done helping achieve the incredible victory for Medicare patients nationwide. Donald Trump: (02:21)In the past, Obamacare prevented insurance providers from competing to offer lower costs for seniors. There was no competition. There was no anything. And they ran away with what took place and the seniors were horribly hurt. Many people couldn’t take insulin. They couldn’t even think about it. As a result, Medicare beneficiaries with prescription drug coverage paid an average of $675 for a year’s supply of insulin. And sometimes as high as $1500. Harmful laws also meant that seniors often paid a different amount almost every single month. They had no idea what they were paying. They were billed. Every month they were billed a different amount and it was a massive amount. One in every three, seniors on Medicare has diabetes and over 3.3 million beneficiaries use at least one type of insulin. Over the past 10 years, these seniors have seen their out-of-pocket cost for this life-saving treatment almost double. I don’t use insulin. Should I be? Huh? I never thought about it. But I know a lot of people are very, very badly affected. Unbelievable. Donald Trump: (03:38)That’s why my administration acted decisively. We slashed Obamacare’s crippling requirements and opened up competition like they’ve never seen before. They’ve never seen competition like this. Between transparency and all of the other things we’re doing, nobody’s ever had a competitive situation created like we’ve done it. And the prices, you will see very soon, they’re going to come tumbling down. Then we brought all the parties to the table, insurer, manufacturers, and other key players. And reached an agreement to deliver insulin at stable and drastically lower out-of-pocket costs for our seniors. I hope the seniors are going to remember it. Because Biden is the one that put us into the jam, because they didn’t know what they were doing. They were incompetent. Soon, nearly half of all eligible Part D and Medicare Advantage Prescription Drug Plans will offer this low-cost option. And when you say low cost, you’re really talking low cost. It’s giving seniors the freedom and choice to pick the plan that’s right for them. Donald Trump: (04:46)Nothing will ever stop me from fulfilling my solemn duty to America’s seniors. I’ll use every power at my disposal to lower drug prices. And my administration will always protect Medicare and social security, and, by the way, preexisting conditions. And we got rid of the individual mandate, which is a disaster. The worst part of Obamacare was the individual mandate. When we got rid of the individual mandate, essentially, we got rid of Obamacare. If you want to know the truth. You can say that in the truest form. But we got rid of a horrible, horrible condition called the individual mandate, but we’ll always protect you on preexisting conditions. Much more so than the Democrats. Donald Trump: (05:33)Here with us today is Bruce Broussard, President and CEO of a big powerful healthcare company, Humana. And I’d like to have Bruce come up and say a few words, please. Bruce? Thank you. That’s a big company. Look how young he is too. That’s very young to be running such a big company. Bruce Broussard : (05:54)Thank you very much, Mr. President. Donald Trump: (05:56)Thank you, Bruce. Bruce Broussard : (05:57)Well, I speak on behalf of our 50000 teammates that work at Humana. We are thankful of being here and honored. The demo that you are describing just recently is an example of the strength of public-private partnerships in dealing with large issues such as the affordability of prescription drugs. Insulin is by far the one that is used the most. Another great example of that is the response to COVID and the crisis. And I think about one of our customers Gwen that just recently we served, was blind, did not have access to food, no one could support her because no one was in the vicinity to help her, and in addition, didn’t have access to her prescriptions. And through a strong, private-public partnership, we were able to offer her food and prescriptions delivered to her home. So I want to thank the administration for continuing to pick on large issues like this and bringing in the private enterprise to assist in that. So thank you, Seema, and everybody, everything you’ve done. So thank you. Donald Trump: (07:07)What a job you’ve done, too. Really an amazing job. Bruce Broussard : (07:10)Well, thank you. Donald Trump: (07:11)You’re also in the right business, right? Bruce Broussard : (07:13)Well, if we can help any senior, we’re always in the right business. Thank you. Donald Trump: (07:16)That’s good. Well, you’ve really helped. We appreciate it very much. Thank you, Bruce. We’re also joined by Tracey Brown, the CEO of American Diabetes Association. A lot of bad things can happen without insulin in terms of diabetes and other things. Please, Tracey? Thank you very much. Hi, Tracey. Speaker 1: (07:40)Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you Administrator Verma for making this afternoon one that we can focus on. The 34 million Americans like myself, who’s living with diabetes. 7 million of which need insulin to live. 25% of these individuals have told us that they ration or skip doses of their medicine because they simply cannot afford it. And so this effort, CMI MMI demonstration project that brings together the government, industry, and public health advocacy from the American Diabetes Association, is the right thing to do. And we’re thrilled to take this challenge head on. Today, together, we are helping millions of seniors access insulin affordably. This is a very big deal. The American Diabetes Association is the nation’s leading organization that fights for people living with diabetes. And we are committed to continue to partner to make sure every American, and especially our seniors, have access to the medicine that they need to live. So thank you Mr. President, and thank you Administrator Verma. Donald Trump: (09:01)So Tracey, are you surprised at how much we’ve gotten the price down? To what extent and to the level that we brought it down to? Speaker 1: (09:07)This is a very exciting day for people living with diabetes. And so, any step to bring this lower is good news. We know that we need to do more, but I’m so confident that, together, we are going to be able to help all people living with diabetes thrive. Donald Trump: (09:26)Good. Thank you much. Speaker 1: (09:27)Thank you. Donald Trump: (09:28)Appreciate it, Tracey. I’d like to also invite up David Ricks, Chairman CEO of Eli Lilly and Company, a very big and a very great company. Please. He’s another young guy. David Ricks: (09:42)Thank you, Mr. President. Donald Trump: (09:43)Thank you very much, David. David Ricks: (09:43)Pleasure to be here. Really an honor, to be a part of this announcement to improve the lives of so many patients who live with diabetes in our Part D program. For several years, Lilly’s worked hard to improve insulin affordability, and this has been a missing piece that’s now been filled in by the great collaboration from our plan companies like Bruce’s who are here, Seema Verma, your administration, Vice President Pence, President Trump. Thank you for your leadership to make this happen. This is the kind of collaboration that solves real problems for people with serious issues like diabetes. Today, if you take Lilly insulin, you will not pay more than $35 except for in the Part D program. And we’re pleased to add this missing part to that equation, so that starting next year, seniors will benefit from that same savings level. Just a little bit more than a dollar a day for insulin. David Ricks: (10:37)That same spirit of collaboration is also being applied to a collaboration around COVID-19. And I think everyone’s aware that there’s thousands of scientists working in our industry, along with NIH and other experts, to speed around the clock, new therapies for patients suffering from COVID-19, and to arrest and extinguish this pandemic. I’ve never been more proud to be a part of that effort as well, and the same spirit of collaboration is being applied in that incredibly important crisis as well. By working together, I think we proved today, we can solve longterm problems and I hope I can come back someday and show that we’ve solved the immediate problem of COVID-19 working as an industry along with government. So thanks for having me here today. Appreciate it. Donald Trump: (11:22)Yeah, and I think we will. Thank you very much. Thanks, David. Appreciate it. Really good job. I also want to thank the companies with us today for rising to the occasion in our fight against the invisible enemy. Humana and other insurers have agreed to waive copays, which is a very great thing to do. It’s a big deal. Thank you very much. Co-insurance, deductibles, coronavirus treatments for most enrollees. People that aren’t in the business or even in business period, they wouldn’t realize how big a thing that is, but it’s a very big thing and we appreciate it very much. Donald Trump: (12:03)Coronavirus treatment for most enrollees, we’ve been moving along and we’re doing well. We’re going to be reporting on it in just a second. Sanofi is working at breakneck speed to create a vaccine. Eli Lilly has been developing therapeutics for coronavirus and expanding a free drive-through testing operations. And thank you all for the work. It’s been great. We’re battling the virus on every front, speeding relief to our work workers and pursuing therapies and vaccines at record speed. We have many companies right now, I think we can say, very far down the line on vaccines and therapeutics… And cures frankly, I think cures are going to be in there very shortly… Manufacturing, vast quality quantities and medical equipment supplies. All of the different things that you need. We’ve energized our military. Our military is ready logistically to go out and distribute whatever it is we come up with. And I think we’re going to come up with a lot. I think we’re going to have therapeutic remedies and I think we’re going to have vaccines very shortly. I’ve been saying it, “very shortly”. I think I’ll be proven correct. If I’m not, I’m sure the media will let us know about it. Donald Trump: (13:17)We’re safely reopening our country while aggressively protecting the vulnerable, especially our seniors. We’re telling our seniors to stay back a little bit. Stay back, let this thing pass. We’re not only keeping older Americans safe from the virus, we’re also ensuring that they have the best medical care on earth at a price that they can afford. That’s what happened with insulin. Nobody can believe it when they hear the price of the insulin. It’s been an amazing difference, and Seema’s going to be talking about that. That’s not just like a 10% drop or a 5% drop, which by itself would be good. That’s a big drop. That’s a really big drop. We approved a record number of generics and reversed the trend of soaring drug prices… Donald Trump: (14:03)A good number of generics and reverse the trend of soaring drug prices for the first time in over 50 years. First time we’ve ever had prices go down. Average basic part D premiums drop 13.5% the lowest level in seven years. And we’re going down very substantially from that level. It’s going down very, very substantial unless you have a new administration in which case it’ll go up very substantially that I can guarantee you they’ve been doing it to you for years. Average Medicare advantage premiums have plummeted 28% to the lowest level in over a decade. And that’s despite everything that’s been happening, which would normally make things go up. And we have more than let’s see 1200 more Medicare advantage plans today than we did think of that two years ago. So we have 1200 more Medicare advantage plans than we did two years ago. That’s something. I signed an executive order to crack down on fraud in Medicare, and to give beneficiaries faster access to the latest medical devices and therapies and to take all of the fraud money. Donald Trump: (15:07)We’re finding a lot of it, all of that money that we’re finding in Florida reduced prices. We provided nearly $1 billion in grants to support home delivered meals and in home care for elderly patients and disabled people during the pandemic. We expanded tele-health, which has really turned out to be a very hot subject, right? People that never thought about it, people that didn’t like the idea, right Tracy? They’re loving telehealth, it’s speedy and it’s a lot less expensive. We expanded telehealth for Medicare beneficiaries and the number of patients using it has increased from roughly 11,000 a week to nearly 1.3 million. So we went from 11,000 people to 1.3 million people a week. But very big where you’ll be seeing it price transparency, some people think it’s bigger than healthcare. When you look at it, it’s going to be bigger than healthcare price transparency. Donald Trump: (16:09)It was signed approximately nine months ago. It’s going through the process and it’ll be here by the first of the year. So I hope you’re going to remember me just in case the unthinkable happens. But nobody else would’ve gotten it but this administration. Price transparency it’s going to cut your costs tremendously. And that literally one of the biggest people in the field said it’s going to be a bigger thing, price transparency, bigger than healthcare in a true sense. The cost of healthcare is going to come down very, very substantially. We’re always working on preexisting conditions and saving your preexisting conditions. And as long as I’m president, you’ll always be protected on preexisting conditions. And surprise medical billing is something people are surprised, never in a positive sense and we’ve written that out and that’s going to be very quickly ended. Donald Trump: (17:08)So you’re not going to be surprised, meaning badly surprised, very negatively surprised. It’s a big thing, people go in they go for an operation they end up literally losing all of their money, losing everything over something that should not happen. Surprise medical billing. We’re using every tool at our disposal to protect our nursing homes from outbreaks. You saw the disaster of how badly some of the governors handled nursing homes. It’s a disgrace what they’ve done, what the governors, what some of the governors have done is a disgrace. We provided states more resources to step up inspections, added shipments of personal protective equipment to all 15,400 Medicaid and Medicare certified nursing homes and issued a strict new guideline that every nursing home resident and staff are to be tested immediately and that all staff be tested weekly. So we’re making it very, very tough. Donald Trump: (18:10)Every day of my administration we’re fighting for our seniors like never before. Our seniors are very special people, all of our citizens are special, but our seniors we’d have to take care of our seniors. Our senior citizens have spent their entire lives working hard, supporting their communities and families and paying into the system. We will not rest until they get the kind of care and support that they have earned and that they deserve. Now I’d like to ask vice president Mike Pence to come up and say a few words, followed by administrator Verma. And I would just like to thank you again for the great job you’ve done. So we’ll have Mike speak and then you’ll speak and thank you very much. Go ahead, Mike. Thank you. Mike Pence: (18:56)Thank you Mr. President. And let me say what a privilege it is to be here with business leaders and activists who have been standing with you, standing with the white house coronavirus task force from the very beginning. It truly has been a public private partnership that’s marshaled not just a whole of government approach, but a whole of America approach. And we see that evident today in this historic step for America seniors. And let me join the president in expressing our profound gratitude to the servant heart that each one of you have brought and all of your employees have brought. The importance of today’s announcement cannot be overstated Mr. President. As you observed early on, we recognized that the coronavirus represented a particular threat to seniors with underlying health conditions and diabetes being among them. And today’s step ensures that as we continue to work to safely reopen our country, we’re going to make sure that our seniors have access to affordable healthcare, to insulin and treatment to be able to meet that moment along with us. Mike Pence: (20:22)Mr. President we gathered today with the news of more than 98,000 of our countrymen have succumb to the coronavirus and their families are in our prayers and in our hearts. But because of the cooperation and the compassion of the American people who have heeded your guidelines for America who have listened and continue to listen to state and local authorities, we know that there are tens of thousands of American families that have been spared that heartbreak and loss. And we express our gratitude to the American people for your incredible cooperation, the social distancing, the steps that you have embraced the way you have been willing to forfeit aspects of your personal freedom to put the health of others first. But the good news is Mr. President that because of the steps the American people have taken heeding your leadership and the guidance of state and local officials we’re getting there and we’re starting to reopen America as we speak in a safe and responsible way. Mike Pence: (21:30)In fact Mr. President, every state in the nation has now taken at least some steps to reopen their economies. 52 states and territories have opened retail curbside to go with reduced capacity. 44 states we’re glad to note have opened up elective medical procedures in hospitals and clinics around the state. 38 states and territories have reopened personal care under strict hygiene protocols. 37 states have reopened restaurants. 34 states have reopened non-essential businesses and the list goes on and I think most meaningful to you Mr. President is so far 30 States and territories have reopened houses of worship under guidance of reduced capacity while allowing people to come back together in fellowship and prayer. This has all been made possible because of the whole of government, whole of America approach Mr. President that you initiated when you launched the white house coronavirus taskforce back in January. Mike Pence: (22:37)And before I step down, let me at least share a few encouraging words that we shared with America’s governors today, about the progress that we all have been making. Because to continue to safely reopen, we believe it’s absolutely essential that we increase visibility by expanding testing across the country so that we can ensure that we can identify outbreaks where they occur. It’s interesting as you watch the daily numbers, new cases are declining around the country and even more dramatically when you realize that a significant portion of new cases every day are actually in outbreaks in specific businesses. Or as we’ve discussed today in nursing homes or in meat packing plants. But I’m proud to report Mr. President because of the partnership that you’ve forged with commercial laboratories around the country, 14.1 million tests have been performed. Mike Pence: (23:36)And I heard again today from governors across America how they have been in many cases exceeding the demand in the testing that they’ve made available. In fact, a governor Phil Murphy of New Jersey informed me that he had promised the people in New Jersey that he would be doing 20,000 tests a day but in partnership with the federal government, as we’ve been providing testing supplies and accessing resources he told me that they actually have cleared 30,000 tests a day in New Jersey. Mike Pence: (24:06)And most importantly in that state where at one point nearly 40% of those tested had tested positive for the coronavirus and now the governor of New Jersey informed us that they’re less than 5%. but they’re hardly alone Mr. President 42 states are now testing at less than 10% positive rate. And 20 states are testing at less than 5% positive rate. The reality is that now all 50 states with the support that we’ve been providing, sending swabs and test tubes and medium on a weekly basis at your direction, now all 50 States have tested more than 2% of their population giving us a much greater capacity to identify outbreaks as they occur and protect our citizens. Mike Pence: (24:59)And the progress and evidence is clear all across America. We see hospitalizations continuing to decline. New hospitalizations have declined steadily in the chart that you see before you from April until today. And most importantly, well the president often says that one loss is too many, we welcome word that fatalities are declining precipitously all across the country. In fact, yesterday in America there were just 505 Americans who succumbed to the coronavirus and we hadn’t seen that number in daily losses since March. The reality is because of the cooperation and the compassion of the American people we’re getting there. We’re getting there America and Mr. President at your direction we’re going to continue to work closely with states around the country to expand testing and resources. Mike Pence: (26:02)We’re going to continue to make sure personal protective equipment flows. But finally, what we’re going to continue to do is focus on the most vulnerable. Even as we begin to see evidence that we are starting to put this coronavirus epidemic in the past, all the more we are going to continue to surge the resources and surge the kind of testing and partnership with states and healthcare providers to ensure that our seniors and anyone with an underlying immune deficiency, anyone that’s vulnerable to the coronavirus is immediately identified and protected by every measure that’s possible. So Mr. President I thank you for the opportunity. We heard great enthusiasm from governors all across the country in both political parties today. We’re making great progress and I truly do believe that with the continued partnership that we have forged with state and local governments, with the tremendous efforts of our healthcare workers around America and with God’s help we will reopen America and we will continue to reopen our country safely and protect our most vulnerable as we do. So thank you, Mr. President. Donald Trump: (27:20)Thank you Mike very much. And I think I’ll just add on to what Mike said. If we didn’t act quickly and smartly, we would have had in my opinion and in the opinion of others, anywhere from 10 to 20 and maybe even 25 times the number of deaths. We closed the border to China, meaning we put on the ban people coming in from China. That was a very big moment as Dr. Fauci said, we saved thousands and thousands of lives when we did that. And that’s true, but I think we would have had anywhere from 10 to 20 or 25 times the number of deaths if we didn’t act the way we did. And also if we didn’t act swiftly. So we’re very proud of our team and our taskforce and Mike, great job. Donald Trump: (28:03)… Proud of our team and our task force and Mike, great job. Seema, please. Seema Verma: (28:10)Good afternoon. I want to start with thanking the one person that’s responsible for today’s announcement and that’s President Trump. He’s been steadfast in his commitment to lowering the cost of drugs and protecting the Medicare program and making sure it works best for seniors. The president also knows that it’s the free market that leverages competition and negotiation, that that is what can lower costs and improve quality for the American patient. Seema Verma: (28:39)And because of that, we’ve been working to slash Medicare’s anti-competitive regulations, and it’s worked. In the Medicare part D program, as the president said, we are seeing low premiums, a seven year low, and in the Medicare advantage program, we’re seeing a 13 year low in premiums. So we’re putting money back in the pockets of seniors. And that means $3 billion in savings for patients and $6 billion in savings for taxpayers. Seema Verma: (29:11)And in absence of a congressional solution, we applied those same principles to lowering the cost of insulin. We are waiving Obamacare laws that disincentivize plans from lowering cost sharing for our Medicare beneficiaries. And this is important because we know that beneficiaries struggle to pay their insulin costs. It’s patients like Cindy from Rochester, New York. She told us that the high cost of insulin has impacted her health and that she’s been forced to ration her insulin. She said, “I know that it’s not good at all for my health. And I’m sure that I have affected some organs negatively because of that lack of money to purchase insulin.” But no longer thanks to the president’s leadership, Medicare seniors will pay no more than $35 for their insulin and that’s per month. And that’s for all forms of insulin through all phases of the Medicare part D program. Seema Verma: (30:13)I also will say that some plans are free to even go below the $35. And so they could even see lower premiums as well. I’m also proud to say that we have over 88 health plans that are participating in this model, and that represents over 1, 750 plans that will offer this low cost insulin. These plans will be available during this year’s open enrollment, which starts in October. Seema Verma: (30:42)And I want to thank the manufacturers and the health plans for stepping up to the plate, for coming together to negotiate this great senior savings model. It’s going to make such a difference to the lives of many seniors across the country. And I am optimistic that this could be a model to lower the costs of many other drugs in the Medicare program. And thank you again, President Trump for bringing lower cost priced insulin. Our seniors are going to be saving an average of 66% in their insulin costs. And this is nothing short of a godsend. And with that, I think we’re going to hear from one of our Medicare beneficiaries. Thank you. Donald Trump: (31:26)Thank you, Seema. Allen: (31:27)Hi, my name’s Allen [inaudible 00:03:28]. I live in the Hudson Valley in New York. I’m 68 years old and I rely on Medicare part D. I’ve been a diabetic for over 10 years. And during that time I’ve watched insulin prices rise dramatically. I pay $400 a month now for insulin. I appreciate President Trump putting a policy in place that will help people like myself for the future as far as insulin products. Thank you. Donald Trump: (31:55)That’s very nice. And many, many people feel the same way. They can’t actually believe it. $35 and less. And less. And they were being ripped off at a level that nobody’s seen before. But that’s true with a lot of other things and we’re taking care of them, too. So I want to thank everybody for being here. In particular, these great executives. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. You were very impressive in your speech by the way. Thank you very much. John, please. John: (32:25)Mr. President, can you tell us what you plan to do regarding sanctions against China for its pending actions against Hong Kong? And do you also intend to put restrictions on F and J visas for students and researchers coming into the United States from China? Donald Trump: (32:42)Your questions early. We’re doing it now. We’re doing something now. I think you’ll find it very interesting, but I won’t be talking about it today. I’ll be talking about it over the next couple of days, John, okay? But it’s a very important question. Yes, please. Anybody? Yeah, please. Speaker 2: (32:59)Mr. President two questions about a couple of things you’ve tweeted about in the last few days, were you meaning to criticize Vice President Biden for wearing a mask yesterday? And can you explain why you’ve been tweeting about a conspiracy theory that has been proven to not be true? Donald Trump: (33:15)No, Biden can wear a mask, but he was standing outside with his wife, perfect conditions, perfect weather. They’re inside, they don’t wear masks. And so I thought it was very unusual that he had one on. But I thought that was fine. I wasn’t criticizing them at all. Why would I ever do a thing like that? And your second question was? I couldn’t hear you. Speaker 2: (33:34)The second- Donald Trump: (33:34)Can you take it off because I cannot hear you. Speaker 2: (33:36)I’ll just speak louder, sir. Donald Trump: (33:37)Okay. Because you want to be politically correct. Go ahead. Speaker 2: (33:39)No, sir. I just want to wear the mask. Donald Trump: (33:41)Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Speaker 2: (33:42)The second question was about your tweets about the woman who died, who you’re suggesting that Joe Scarborough was responsible. Donald Trump: (33:49)Yeah. A lot of people suggest that and hopefully someday people are going to find out. Certainly a very suspicious situation. Very sad. Very sad and very suspicious. Question, please? Speaker 2: (34:02)[inaudible 00:34:02] has asked you not to tweet about it anymore, sir. Donald Trump: (34:03)Go ahead, please go. Speaker 3: (34:04)Mr. President, though have you seen the letter that was written by her husband begging Twitter to delete your tweets? Talking about how hard it’s been for his family, for him to deal with that. Donald Trump: (34:13)Yeah, I have, but I’m sure that ultimately they want to get to the bottom of it. And it’s a very serious situation. I also saw a clip with Joe and Imus where they were having a lot of fun at her expense. And I thought it was totally inappropriate. Now it’s a very suspicious thing. And I hope somebody gets to the bottom of it. It’ll be a very good thing. As you know, there’s no statute of limitations. So it would be a very good, very good thing to do. Okay. Who’s next? Any questions on insulin? Yeah, please. Speaker 4: (34:47)Mr. President. There’s a bill in Congress that’s related to the [weakers 00:34:52]. It passed the Senate. It’s going to be up to the house. Are you willing to sign that? Donald Trump: (34:57)We’re taking a look at it very strongly. They’re going to report this afternoon. I’ll be looking at it this afternoon. Speaker 4: (35:04)Something special that you mentioned on China. Does that include sanctions? Donald Trump: (35:08)No, it’s something you’re going to be hearing about before the end of the week. Very powerfully, I think. Yeah please. Speaker 5: (35:18)Is there any reason why someone who does not have diabetes would take insulin? Is there any sort of medical reason for that? Donald Trump: (35:24)I could ask that question to anybody like to discuss that. Do you want to discuss it, please? Go ahead. Do you know the answer? Either one of you or both. Come on and let’s get these highly paid executives up here to give the answer. Seema, please. Jerome. We picked a good one. We got it right. Jerome Adams: (35:47)Well, thank you Mr. President. I think it’s important for everyone to know that as Tracy Brown highlighted earlier, one in three Americans is actually either diabetic or prediabetic. And I would encourage folks to go to diabetes.org/risk-test. So diabetes.org/risk-test to find out if you are at risk for diabetes. As far as insulin goes, we know that again, 7 million people actually are dependent on insulin. We know that from a type one diabetes standpoint, 1.6 million Americans have type one diabetes and most, all of them are dependent on insulin. Your body, Mr. President actually makes insulin endogenously and people such as you and I, we make our own insulin. So yes, we do utilize insulin, but we make it ourselves. Jerome Adams: (36:41)Other people who have diabetes oftentimes need exogenous insulin made by many of these great manufacturers here so that they can be healthy and live long and successful lives. And make no mistake about it, if they can get affordable insulin, they can live a long and healthy life. And that’s what we’re here for today. Today is a very important day. It is a monumental day because Tracy, we’ve been working for years to try to address the price of insulin. For years. This is an important day. And I want to thank you Mr. President, and I want to thank all the people here for making that insulin affordable to more people. Donald Trump: (37:17)Thank you very much. And Tracy, do you agree with that? Donald Trump: (37:21)And the question I found to be a very interesting one, but is that an unusual question or an unusual circumstance? Tracy: (37:37)I’m not sure that it’s an unusual question, there are many people who are not clear on [inaudible 00:37:36]. Donald Trump: (37:38)Right. Okay, good. I thought it was a very good question, actually. Please go ahead. Speaker 6: (37:45)Thank you, Mr. President, we see in Europe slowly from one country through the other, they are opening their borders and letting people moving from one country to another. Are you considering for the good of the US economy, are you considering lifting the flight ban from Europe in the next weeks? Donald Trump: (38:02)Well, we’re just putting a ban on, as you know, going on immediately, essentially, almost immediately to Brazil and from Brazil into our country. So from Brazil to the United States, having a very hard time in Brazil. We’ll be doing certain announcements on other countries, including Europe, as we move along and where they’re making progress, we’ll start to open it up. But only where they’re making progress. They’re making some good progress. I think we’re making very good progress. Donald Trump: (38:30)We’re making very good progress on the economy. The numbers are better than anybody would have anticipated. And certainly I think that’s been reflected in the stock market, which had a very big day. And it’s over 25,000. And when you think 25,000 is a very high number, when you think that it was at 29,000 and now it’s at 25, that’s a very big day. It’s up very substantially over the last six months. So we had a very big day. But people are seeing what’s happening. And they’re seeing there is a pent up demand as I was predicting and you’re going to see it more and more. We call it the transition to greatness and it really is. We’re going to have a third quarter that’s going to be good. We’re going to have a fourth quarter that has the potential to be really good. And we’re going to have one of the best years we’ve ever had next year. That’s what we see. Yeah. John, go ahead. John: (39:19)Mr. President, is it your intention to bring American forces home from Afghanistan by Thanksgiving day? And is the Pentagon drawing up plans to that effect? Donald Trump: (39:30)Well, I think everyone knows we’re down to less than 8,000 troops, we’re with leadership in many different fields and in many different parts of that country, we’re dealing with the Taliban, we’re dealing with the president, the president now has gotten themselves straightened out with the two presidents. But we’re dealing with because as yo know, they had competing factors in factions. Donald Trump: (39:57)Yeah. I think we want to get … we’re there 19 years. We’re really not acting as soldiers. We’re acting as police. And we’re not set over there to be policemen, but we’re there 19 years. And yeah, I think that’s enough. And they understand we’re having a very positive talks. We want to bring our soldiers back home. We want to bring them back home. And we’re not only talking about there. We’re talking about other countries, also. We bring our soldiers back home. Donald Trump: (40:25)We can always go back if we have to. We have to go back, we’ll go back and we’ll go back raging. And they will go back as warriors, fighters. But right now we’re policing and we’re not meant to be a police force. We’re meant to be a fighting force. John: (40:38)Is Thanksgiving day the target? Donald Trump: (40:40)No. I have no target, but as soon as reasonable over a period of time. But as soon as reasonable. We’re down to 7,000, some odd soldiers right now. And in Iraq, we’re down to 4,000 soldiers. So we’re making a lot of progress. In Syria, you remember John on the border when I took the soldiers out of the border, everyone said, “Oh, that’s so terrible. Well, I spoke to President [Erdogan 00:41:03] yesterday of Turkey. The border has been fine without us. They’d been policing that border for 2,000 years. All of a sudden we had thousands of soldiers there doing their work. For what? Guarding Syria and Turkey on a border, a very long border. No, we want our trips back home. We took them out. That was a year ago. I was criticized. Nothing happened except they’re watching their own borders now. We kept the oil, but at some point we’ll take care of the Kurds with respect to the oil and get out. Donald Trump: (41:35)Yeah, please go ahead. Speaker 4: (41:37)Mr. President, quickly on your meeting with Governor Cuomo tomorrow. Donald Trump: (41:41)Yeah, he’s coming in. Speaker 4: (41:42)Can you say what you’re going to be discussing? Do you have a particular agenda? Do you think you’ll discuss the gateway project that the Hudson river tunnel project- Donald Trump: (41:48)I would imagine we would, but he asked for the meeting, so we’ll see what he wants. But he asked for the meeting, Governor Cuomo and will be coming in sometime tomorrow. Donald Trump: (41:58)Yeah. Please go ahead. Speaker 7: (41:59)What can you tell us about the documents reportedly declassified by Rick … Speaker 8: (42:03)Can you tell us about the documents reportedly declassified by Rick Grenell just before he stepped down as DNI? Are you prepared to release the transcripts of the Flynn Kislyak conversations? Donald Trump: (42:11)Yeah. I’d like to hear it too. I mean, I’d like to hear the FBI agent said that he didn’t lie and certainly the conversation almost regardless, it was a good conversation. He was allowed to do it and the Mueller people who have been proven very bad, very bad things they did. A lot of bad things of being found out about the hoax. Greatest hoax in the history of our country and it was an illegal hoax and a very dangerous hoax and a lot of bad things have been found out about Mueller and the gang. Donald Trump: (42:46)So I would like to hear that conversation. Yeah. I would like to hear it personally, so whatever they want me to do, I’ll do, I think Rick Grinell has done an incredible job and things are happening now that I always knew this was the answer. This was an attempted coup by a bunch of dirty cops and others. These are dirty cops, dishonest slime bags. Donald Trump: (43:10)All right. Yeah. Question. Go ahead, Jeff. Jeff: (43:12)Thank you, sir. Mr. President, on Friday, you announced that you wanted governors to reopen churches and synagogues and mosques, and you said you would overrule them if they declined to do so. Jeff: (43:22)Can you explain what authority you had in mind when you said that you would do that? Donald Trump: (43:26)I can absolutely do it if I want to and I don’t think I’m going to have to because it’s starting to open up. We need our churches and our synagogues and our mosques. We want them open. Churches, synagogues, mosques, and other, we want them open and we want them open as soon as possible. Donald Trump: (43:42)Now I can tell you, I know a lot of pastors, a lot of rabbis, Imams, and they want to take care of their people. They want to take care. They don’t want anyone getting hurt or sick and they’re going to take care of their people. We need these people. We need people that are going to be leading us in faith that we’re opening them up and if I have to, I will override any governor that wants to play games. Donald Trump: (44:09)If they want to play games, that’s okay, but we will win. We have many different ways where I can override them and if I have to I’ll do that but we want our churches and our synagogues and our mosques, et cetera., we want them open. Donald Trump: (44:25)Now, there may be some areas by the way, where the pastor or whoever may feel that it’s not quite ready and that’s okay. That’s okay but let that be the choice of the congregation and the pastor. Donald Trump: (44:37)John, go ahead, John: (44:40)Mr. President, how long will you give North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper to provide you with the information that you and the RNC are asking for before you decide to look elsewhere for a venue for the RNC convention in August? Donald Trump: (44:54)Well, as you know, we don’t have much time because we have to know that if we’re going to spend millions of dollars on an arena, we want to be in North Carolina. I love North Carolina. I won North Carolina. We just had a big two races that we won recently for Congress in North Carolina; two very big races that the press didn’t want to report on. If we would have lost them, it would have been the biggest story in political history, but we just won two races. It’s a very important place to me. I love North Carolina. Donald Trump: (45:20)In fact, my son, Eric and Laura named a baby Carolina and came from, I think both, but she was born in North Carolina as you know, Laura. So it’s a very important place to me. But at the same time, and I think that people understand this, we have a governor that doesn’t want to open up the state and we have a date of August, at the end of August, and we have to know before we spend millions and millions of dollars on an arena to make it magnificent for the convention and we have tremendous people. I mean the economic development consequences are tremendous for the state. We have to know that when the people come down, they’re going to have the doors open. Donald Trump: (46:03)Now, if the governor can’t tell us very soon, unfortunately, we’ll have no choice. This has nothing to do with us. This is between the governor and North Carolina and the people of North Carolina. But the people want it and we’ll have to see whether or not the governor… Now he’s a Democrat and a lot of the Democrats for political reasons, don’t want to open up their states. So we’ll see if that works but I don’t think it will. I’d love to have it in North Carolina. That was why I chose it, Charlotte, but we’re going to see, we’re going to see and at the end, we need a fast decision from the governor. He’s going to have to get, because he’s been acting very, very slowly and very suspiciously, but we’ll find out. Donald Trump: (46:42)Question, please. John: (46:43)So in terms of soon, are we talking a week? Donald Trump: (46:46)Yeah. We’re talking about a very short period of time. It’s a massive expenditure and we have to know. Yeah, I would say within a week that certainly we have to know. Now if he can’t do it, if he feels that he’s not going to do it, all he has to do is tell us and then we’ll have to pick another location. And I will tell you a lot of locations want it but I picked North Carolina because I do love that state and it would have been a perfect place for it and it still would be. But he’s got to say that when thousands of people come to the arena that they’ll be able to get in. Does that make sense? Donald Trump: (47:19)I mean we’ll spend millions and millions of dollars on this magnificent design, but in the end, they have to be able to get in. I don’t want to have it where we get there and then they announced after all the money was spent, all the work was done, all the people travel in, guess what? You can’t put anybody in the arena or you can put a tiny number of people in the arena. We can’t do that, John. Yeah, please go ahead. Speaker 9: (47:45)There are now more than still more than a dozen states in this country where case numbers are rising. So why is it suspicious if a governor says, “Look, we don’t want to move that quickly. We still think we need to shut down.” Donald Trump: (47:56)I think it’s fine. Look, the governors in certain ways have to do what they want to do but they have to tell me what they’re doing. When it comes to churches, et cetera, they will be overwritten by me. When it comes to other things and many other things they want. If I think some things being done incorrectly or wrong, I’m going to do it. But you have different governors and they have very different views on where they are and where they’re going. So we’ll see what happens. Please. Go ahead. Speaker 10: (48:23)I’m sorry. I’m sure you saw the images from over the weekend of people out on Memorial Day weekend. They were crowding pools, crowding boardwalks. Do you have any message for those people? Donald Trump: (48:31)Yeah. Always be safe. You want to be safe. We’re opening up but you want to be safe? Go ahead, please. Speaker 11: (48:36)Thank you about mail-in voting. You’ve been speaking out against that a lot. Donald Trump: (48:40)You mean mail-in voting? Speaker 11: (48:42)Yeah. You’ve been speaking a lot about that. Why should somebody who is afraid of getting coronavirus, going to public places, standing in a line, et cetera, why should they not be allowed to mail-in? Donald Trump: (48:54)Well, that’s going to be in a long time from now, number one. It’s quite a ways away, number one. But when you do a all mail-in voting ballots, you’re asking for fraud. People steal them out of mailboxes. People print them and then they sign them and they give them in. People don’t even know where the double counted. People take them away. They force people to vote. Donald Trump: (49:16)They harvest. You know what harvesting is? They take many, many ballots and they put them all together and then they just dump them and nobody has any idea whether they’re crooked or not. Look, you do mail-in voting. Donald Trump: (49:27)Now it’s another thing to do absentee voting or if somebody has a medical condition where they go through a process and they get an absentee ballot, that’s okay. That’s different. But in California, the governor sent, I hear or sending millions of ballots all over the state. Millions to anybody. To anybody. People that aren’t citizens, illegals, anybody that walks in California is going to get a ballot. We’re not going to destroy this country by allowing things like that to happen. We’re not destroying our country. This has more to do with fairness and honesty and really our country itself because when that starts happening, you don’t have a fare. You have a rigged system. You have a rigged system and that’s what would happen. Donald Trump: (50:15)So mail-in ballots and the governor of California did better than any, that I could ever do in terms of explaining. When he sent out or will send out, and I don’t know, I think it’s maybe partially already done, millions and millions of ballots to anybody in California, that’s walking or breathing, many of those people don’t have the right to vote. Well, they’ll be voting and you know what? We’re not going to let it happen because you’re subverting our process and you’re making our country a joke and the Democrats are doing it because in theory, it’s good for them. Although last week we two big races. We won in Wisconsin and one in California. California, 25. We won a tremendous race in California. Donald Trump: (51:04)That was interesting because at the end of the race, they brought in the Democrat governor, same governor. He brought in voting booths, not mail-in. Voting booths because they were losing. They saw that through the ballots. But no, you can’t do that. You can’t do the mail-in ballots because you’re going to have tremendous fraud. Donald Trump: (51:22)Remember what I said, there’ll be grabbing them from mailboxes. They’ll even be printing them. They’ll use the same paper, the same machines and they’ll be printing ballots illegally and there’ll be sending them in by the hundreds of thousands and nobody’s going to know the difference. We can’t do that. You want to vote. You really have to. Absentee is okay. You’re sick. As an example, I have to do an absentee because I’m voting in Florida and I happened to be president. I live in that very beautiful house over there. That’s painted white. So that’s okay and it’s okay for people that are sick and they can’t get up something. But voting is a great honor. It’s a great honor and people love to go out and vote and I want to keep it that way. If we don’t keep it that way, we’ll have nothing but a rigged system of this country. We can’t do that. Thank you very much, everybody. Thank you. Speaker 12: (52:25)I was trying to advertise him for it. They got on TV. Transcribe Your Own Content Try Rev and save time transcribing, captioning, and subtitling. Copyright Disclaimer Under Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. 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president donald trump give speech white house rise garden protect senior citizen diabete coronavirus read transcript remark transcribe content try rev free save time transcribe captioning subtitle donald trump welcome rose garden powerful action lower healthcare cost america senior today proud announce reach breakthrough agreement dramatically slash outofpocket cost insulin know happen insulin year right roof insulin people necessary hundred thousand senior enrol medicare big deal participate plan cap cost month type insulin plan offer free everybody getting rip pay tremendous price senior citizen seema want thank bring attention long time ago work hard day press will cover cover thing unimportant donald trump big day senior tremendous saving allow people insulin write blind stroke amputation kidney failure thing get month month massive cut guess see like long time sleepy joe tell fact problem obamacare cause problem save impact americans average minimum insulin cost year pleased join vice president mike pence surgeon general jerome adam want thank seema thank job helping achieve incredible victory medicare patient nationwide donald trump past obamacare prevent insurance provider compete offer low cost senior competition run away take place senior horribly hurt people insulin think result medicare beneficiary prescription drug coverage pay average year supply insulin high harmful law mean senior pay different single month idea pay bill month bill different massive senior medicare diabete million beneficiary use type insulin past year senior see outofpocket cost lifesaving treatment double use insulin huh think know lot people badly affect unbelievable donald trump administration act decisively slash obamacare crippling requirement open competition like see see competition like transparency thing competitive situation create like price soon go come tumble bring party table insurer manufacturer key player reach agreement deliver insulin stable drastically low outofpocket cost senior hope senior go remember biden jam know incompetent soon nearly half eligible d medicare advantage prescription drug plan offer lowcost option low cost talk low cost give senior freedom choice pick plan right donald trump stop fulfil solemn duty america senior use power disposal low drug price administration protect medicare social security way preexist condition get rid individual mandate disaster bad obamacare individual mandate get rid individual mandate essentially get rid obamacare want know truth true form get rid horrible horrible condition call individual mandate protect preexist condition democrats donald trump today bruce broussard president ceo big powerful healthcare company humana like bruce come word bruce thank big company look young young run big company bruce broussard mr president donald trump bruce bruce broussard speak behalf teammate work humana thankful honor demo describe recently example strength publicprivate partnership deal large issue affordability prescription drug insulin far great example response covid crisis think customer gwen recently serve blind access food support vicinity help addition access prescription strong privatepublic partnership able offer food prescription deliver home want thank administration continue pick large issue like bring private enterprise assist thank seema everybody thank donald trump job amazing job bruce broussard thank donald trump right business right bruce broussard help senior right business thank donald trump good help appreciate thank bruce join tracey brown ceo american diabetes association lot bad thing happen insulin term diabetes thing tracey thank hi tracey speaker mr president thank administrator verma make afternoon focus million americans like live diabetes million need insulin live individual tell ration skip dose medicine simply afford effort cmi mmi demonstration project bring government industry public health advocacy american diabetes association right thing thrilled challenge head today help million senior access insulin affordably big deal american diabetes association nation lead organization fight people live diabetes committed continue partner sure american especially senior access medicine need live thank mr president thank administrator verma donald trump tracey surprised get price extent level bring speaker exciting day people live diabetes step bring low good news know need confident go able help people live diabetes thrive donald trump thank speaker donald trump tracey like invite david rick chairman ceo eli lilly company big great company young guy david rick mr president donald trump david david rick honor announcement improve life patient live diabete d program year lilly work hard improve insulin affordability missing piece fill great collaboration plan company like bruce seema verma administration vice president pence president trump thank leadership happen kind collaboration solve real problem people issue like diabetes today lilly insulin pay d program pleased add missing equation start year senior benefit saving level little bit dollar day insulin david rick spirit collaboration apply collaboration think aware thousand scientist work industry nih expert speed clock new therapy patient suffer arrest extinguish pandemic proud effort spirit collaboration apply incredibly important crisis work think prove today solve longterm problem hope come someday solve immediate problem work industry government thank have today appreciate donald trump think thank thank david appreciate good job want thank company today rise occasion fight invisible enemy humana insurer agree waive copay great thing big deal thank coinsurance deductible coronavirus treatment enrollee people business business period realize big thing big thing appreciate donald trump treatment enrollee move go report second sanofi work breakneck speed create vaccine eli lilly develop therapeutic coronavirus expand free drivethrough testing operation thank work great battle virus speed relief work worker pursue therapy vaccine record speed company right think far line vaccine therapeutic cure frankly think cure go shortly manufacture vast quality quantity medical equipment supply different thing need energize military military ready logistically distribute come think go come lot think go therapeutic remedy think go vaccine shortly say shortly think prove correct sure medium let know donald trump safely reopen country aggressively protect vulnerable especially senior tell senior stay little bit stay let thing pass keep old americans safe virus ensure good medical care earth price afford happen insulin believe hear price insulin amazing difference seema go talk like drop drop good big drop big drop approve record number generic reverse trend soar drug price donald trump good number generic reverse trend soar drug price time year time price average basic d premium drop low level seven year go substantially level go substantial new administration case substantially guarantee year average medicare advantage premium plummet low level decade despite happen normally thing let medicare advantage plan today think year ago medicare advantage plan year ago sign executive order crack fraud medicare beneficiary fast access late medical device therapy fraud money donald trump find lot money find florida reduce price provide nearly billion grant support home deliver meal home care elderly patient disabled people pandemic expand telehealth turn hot subject right people think people like idea right tracy love telehealth speedy lot expensive expand telehealth medicare beneficiary number patient increase roughly week nearly million go people million people week big see price transparency people think big healthcare look go big healthcare price transparency donald trump sign approximately month ago go process year hope go remember case unthinkable happen gotten administration price transparency go cut cost tremendously literally big people field say go big thing price transparency big healthcare true sense cost healthcare go come substantially work preexist condition save preexist condition long president protect preexist condition surprise medical billing people surprised positive sense write go quickly end donald trump go surprised meaning badly surprised negatively surprised big thing people operation end literally lose money lose happen surprise medical billing tool disposal protect nursing home outbreak see disaster badly governor handle nursing home disgrace governor governor disgrace provide state resource step inspection add shipment personal protective equipment medicaid medicare certify nursing home issue strict new guideline nursing home resident staff test immediately staff test weekly make tough donald trump day administration fight senior like senior special people citizen special senior care senior senior citizen spend entire life work hard support community family pay system rest kind care support earn deserve like ask vice president mike pence come word follow administrator verma like thank great job mike speak speak thank ahead mike thank mike pence mr president let privilege business leader activist stand stand white house coronavirus task force beginning truly public private partnership marshal government approach america approach evident today historic step america senior let join president express profound gratitude servant heart bring employee bring importance today announcement overstate mr president observe early recognize coronavirus represent particular threat senior underlying health condition diabete today step ensure continue work safely reopen country go sure senior access affordable healthcare insulin treatment able meet moment mike pence president gather today news countryman succumb coronavirus family prayer heart cooperation compassion american people heed guideline america listen continue listen state local authority know ten thousand american family spare heartbreak loss express gratitude american people incredible cooperation social distancing step embrace way willing forfeit aspect personal freedom health good news mr president step american people take heed leadership guidance state local official get start reopen america speak safe responsible way mike pence fact mr president state nation take step reopen economy state territory open retail curbside reduce capacity state glad note open elective medical procedure hospital clinic state state territory reopen personal care strict hygiene protocol state reopen restaurant state reopen nonessential business list go think meaningful mr president far state territory reopen house worship guidance reduce capacity allow people come fellowship prayer possible government america approach mr president initiate launch white house coronavirus taskforce january mike pence step let share encouraging word share america governor today progress make continue safely reopen believe absolutely essential increase visibility expand testing country ensure identify outbreak occur interesting watch daily number new case decline country dramatically realize significant portion new case day actually outbreak specific business discuss today nursing home meat packing plant proud report mr president partnership forge commercial laboratory country million test perform mike pence hear today governor america case exceed demand testing available fact governor phil murphy new jersey inform promise people new jersey test day partnership federal government provide testing supply accessing resource tell actually clear test day new jersey mike pence importantly state point nearly test test positive coronavirus governor new jersey inform hardly mr president state test positive rate state test positive rate reality state support provide send swab test tube medium weekly basis direction state test population give great capacity identify outbreak occur protect citizen mike pence progress evidence clear america hospitalization continue decline new hospitalization decline steadily chart april today importantly president say loss welcome word fatality decline precipitously country fact yesterday america americans succumb coronavirus see number daily loss march reality cooperation compassion american people get get america mr president direction go continue work closely state country expand testing resource mike pence go continue sure personal protective equipment flow finally go continue focus vulnerable begin evidence start coronavirus epidemic past go continue surge resource surge kind testing partnership state healthcare provider ensure senior underlying immune deficiency vulnerable coronavirus immediately identify protect measure possible mr president thank opportunity hear great enthusiasm governor country political party today make great progress truly believe continued partnership forge state local government tremendous effort healthcare worker america god help reopen america continue reopen country safely protect vulnerable thank mr president donald trump mike think add mike say act quickly smartly opinion opinion maybe time number death close border china mean ban people come china big moment dr fauci say save thousand thousand life true think time number death act way act swiftly proud team taskforce mike great job donald trump proud team task force mike great job seema seema verma afternoon want start thank person responsible today announcement president trump steadfast commitment lower cost drug protect medicare program make sure work well senior president know free market leverage competition negotiation lower cost improve quality american patient seema verma work slash medicare anticompetitive regulation work medicare d program president say see low premium seven year low medicare advantage program see year low premium put money pocket senior mean billion saving patient billion saving taxpayer seema verma absence congressional solution apply principle lower cost insulin waive obamacare law disincentivize plan lower cost sharing medicare beneficiary important know beneficiary struggle pay insulin cost patient like cindy rochester new york tell high cost insulin impact health force ration insulin say know good health sure affect organ negatively lack money purchase insulin long thank president leadership medicare senior pay insulin month form insulin phase medicare d program seema verma plan free low premium proud health plan participate model represent plan offer low cost insulin plan available year open enrollment start october seema verma want thank manufacturer health plan step plate come negotiate great senior saving model go difference life senior country optimistic model lower cost drug medicare program thank president trump bring low cost price insulin senior go save average insulin cost short godsend think go hear medicare beneficiary thank donald trump seema allen allen inaudible live hudson valley new york year old rely medicare d diabetic year time watch insulin price rise dramatically pay month insulin appreciate president trump put policy place help people like future far insulin product thank donald trump nice people feel way actually believe rip level see true lot thing take care want thank everybody particular great executive thank thank impressive speech way thank john john president tell plan sanction china pende action hong kong intend restriction f j visa student researcher come united states china donald trump question early think find interesting will talk today talk couple day john okay important question yes anybody yeah speaker president question couple thing tweet day mean criticize vice president biden wear mask yesterday explain tweet conspiracy theory prove true donald trump biden wear mask stand outside wife perfect condition perfect weather inside wear mask think unusual think fine criticize thing like second question hear speaker second donald trump hear speaker speak louder sir donald trump want politically correct ahead speaker sir want wear mask donald trump ahead ahead ahead speaker second question tweet woman die suggest joe scarborough responsible donald trump lot people suggest hopefully someday people go find certainly suspicious situation sad sad suspicious question speaker ask tweet anymore sir donald trump ahead speaker president see letter write husband beg twitter delete tweet talk hard family deal donald trump sure ultimately want situation see clip joe imus have lot fun expense think totally inappropriate suspicious thing hope somebody get good thing know statute limitation good good thing okay question insulin yeah speaker president bill congress relate weaker pass senate go house willing sign donald trump take look strongly go report afternoon look afternoon speaker special mention china include sanction donald trump go hear end week powerfully think yeah speaker reason diabete insulin sort medical reason donald trump ask question anybody like discuss want discuss ahead know answer come let highly pay executive answer seema jerome pick good get right jerome adam thank mr president think important know tracy brown highlight early americans actually diabetic prediabetic encourage folk diabetesorgrisktest diabetesorgriskt find risk diabetes far insulin go know million people actually dependent insulin know type diabetes standpoint million americans type diabetes dependent insulin body mr president actually make insulin endogenously people insulin yes utilize insulin jerome adam people diabetes oftentime need exogenous insulin great manufacturer healthy live long successful life mistake affordable insulin live long healthy life today today important day monumental day tracy work year try address price insulin year important day want thank mr president want thank people make insulin affordable people donald trump tracy agree donald trump question find interesting unusual question unusual circumstance tracy sure unusual question people clear inaudible donald trump okay good think good question actually ahead speaker mr president europe slowly country open border let people move country consider good economy consider lift flight ban europe week donald trump put ban know go immediately essentially immediately brazil brazil country brazil united states have hard time brazil certain announcement country include europe make progress start open make progress make good progress think make good progress donald trump make good progress economy number well anybody anticipate certainly think reflect stock market big day think high number think big day substantially month big day people see happen see pen demand predict go transition greatness go quarter go good go fourth quarter potential good go good year year yeah john ahead john president intention bring american force home afghanistan thanksgive day pentagon draw plan effect donald trump think know troop leadership different field different part country deal taliban deal president president get straighten president deal yo know compete factor faction donald trump think want year act soldier act police set policeman year yeah think understand have positive talk want bring soldier home want bring home talk talk country bring soldier home donald trump rage warrior fighter right police mean police force mean fight force john thanksgive day target donald trump target soon reasonable period time soon reasonable odd soldier right iraq soldier make lot progress syria remember john border take soldier border say oh terrible speak president erdogan yesterday turkey border fine police border year sudden thousand soldier work guard syria turkey border long border want trip home take year ago criticize happen watch border keep oil point care kurd respect oil donald trump ahead speaker president quickly meeting governor cuomo tomorrow donald trump come speaker go discuss particular agenda think discuss gateway project hudson river tunnel project donald trump imagine ask meeting want ask meeting governor cuomo come tomorrow donald trump ahead speaker tell document reportedly declassify rick speaker tell document reportedly declassify rick grenell step dni prepared release transcript flynn kislyak conversation donald trump like hear mean like hear fbi agent say lie certainly conversation regardless good conversation allow mueller people prove bad bad thing lot bad thing find hoax great hoax history country illegal hoax dangerous hoax lot bad thing find mueller gang donald trump like hear conversation yeah like hear personally want think rick grinell incredible job thing happen know answer attempt coup bunch dirty cop dirty cop dishonest slime bag donald trump right yeah question ahead jeff jeff sir mr president friday announce want governor reopen church synagogue mosque say overrule decline jeff explain authority mind say donald trump absolutely want think go start open need church synagogue mosque want open church synagogue mosque want open want open soon possible donald trump tell know lot pastor lot rabbis imam want care people want care want getting hurt sick go care people need people need people go lead faith open override governor want play game donald trump want play game okay win different way override want church synagogue mosque et cetera want open donald trump area way pastor feel ready okay okay let choice congregation pastor donald trump ahead john president long north carolina governor roy cooper provide information rnc ask decide look venue rnc convention august donald trump know time know go spend million dollar arena want north carolina love north carolina win north carolina big race win recently congress north carolina big race press want report lose big story political history win race important place love north carolina donald trump fact son eric laura name baby carolina come think bear north carolina know laura important place time think people understand governor want open state date august end august know spend million million dollar arena magnificent convention tremendous people mean economic development consequence tremendous state know people come go door open donald trump governor tell soon unfortunately choice governor north carolina people north carolina people want governor democrat lot democrats political reason want open state work think love north carolina choose charlotte go go end need fast decision governor go act slowly suspiciously find donald trump john term soon talk week donald trump talk short period time massive expenditure know yeah week certainly know feel go tell pick location tell lot location want pick north carolina love state perfect place get thousand people come arena able sense donald trump mean spend million million dollar magnificent design end able want announce money spend work people travel guess anybody arena tiny number people arena john yeah ahead speaker dozen state country case number rise suspicious governor say look want quickly think need shut donald trump think fine look governor certain way want tell come church et cetera overwrite come thing thing want think thing incorrectly wrong go different governor different view go happen ahead speaker sorry sure see image weekend people memorial day weekend crowd pool crowd boardwalk message people donald trump safe want safe open want safe ahead speaker mailin vote speak lot donald trump mean mailin voting speaker speak lot somebody afraid get coronaviru go public place stand line et cetera allow mailin donald trump go long time number way away number mailin vote ballot ask fraud people steal mailbox people print sign people know double count people away force people vote donald trump harvest know harvesting ballot dump idea crooked look mailin vote donald trump thing absentee voting somebody medical condition process absentee ballot okay different california governor send hear send million ballot state million anybody anybody people citizen illegal anybody walk california go ballot go destroy country allow thing like happen destroy country fairness honesty country start happen fare rig system rig system happen donald trump mailin ballot governor california well term explain send send know think maybe partially million million ballot anybody california walk breathe people right vote vote know go let happen subvert process make country joke democrats theory good week big race win wisconsin california california win tremendous race california donald trump interesting end race bring democrat governor governor bring voting booth mailin voting booth lose see ballot mailin ballot go tremendous fraud donald trump say grab mailbox print use paper machine print ballot illegally send hundred thousand go know difference want vote absentee okay sick example absentee vote florida happen president live beautiful house paint white okay okay people sick voting great honor great honor people love vote want way way rig system country thank 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Sep 11, 2020 President Donald Trump announced that Bahrain will normalize relations with Israel on September 11. Read the transcript of the press event here. Transcribe Your Own Content Try Rev and save time transcribing, captioning, and subtitling. Donald Trump: (00:00)Thank them for that there’s no more powerful response to the hatred that spawned 9/11 than the agreement that we’re about to tell you. You will hear something today that’s I think very, very important for not only the Middle East but for the world. In the spirit of peace and cooperation, both leaders also agreed that Bahrain willfully normalize its diplomatic relations with Israel. They will exchange embassies and ambassadors, begin direct flights between their countries, and launch cooperation initiatives across a broad range of sectors including health, business, technology, education, security and agriculture. This is a truly historic day. Donald Trump: (00:48)There had been two peace agreements with Israel in the last 72 years. This is now the second peace agreement that we have announced in the last month and I am very hopeful that there will be more to follow. I can tell you there’s tremendous enthusiasm on behalf of other countries to also join and we think ultimately you’ll have most countries join and you’re going to have the Palestinians in a very good position. They want to come in, they’re going to want to come in because all of their friends are in but we have tremendous enthusiasm for coming into the deal. Donald Trump: (01:27)I want to thank the group of very talented people behind me and you’re going to be hearing from them in a second but it’s just a very historic day, a very important day and so interesting that it’s on 9/11. It’s such a great time. We didn’t know this was going to happen in terms of the timing but it did happen and we’re very honored by it. When I took office the Middle East was in a state of absolute chaos. I have restored trust with our regional partners and together we have eliminated the ISIS caliphate 100%, isolated the radicals who pervert Islam and sew instability. Today nations across the region and throughout the world are joining together, united in their determination to build a better future, free from the evils which perpetuate terror and I think you see that, I think you see that happening very, very strongly. Donald Trump: (02:22)I also spoke with King Salman of Saudi Arabia and we talked about this and he is a great gentleman and what they’ve done in terms of fighting terror is a much different ball game than it was before we attained this office, the fact is that Saudi Arabia was doing things that they’re not doing anymore and so are other countries and neighbors. They are doing things that they just would never have done. Their levels and all of the things, all of the many, many elements of fighting and hate, they seem to be evaporating and we’ll find out very soon but they seem to be evaporating. So things are happening in the Middle East that nobody thought was even possible to think about and that’s what’s going on right now. Donald Trump: (03:16)Bahrain has agreed to join Israel and the United Arab Emirates for, and by the way I want to thank Mohammed who is a great leader, a truly great leader, at the White House on Tuesday so they will be here on Tuesday for the signing of the Abraham Accords. The significance of the signing will be elevated from an already historic breakthrough to one representing a previously unthinkable regional transformation and that’s exactly what it is. It’s unthinkable that this could happen in so fast and as you know when we did the original signing with which will actually take place in terms of official on Tuesday, United Arab Emirates, people thought that was amazing and now they’re hearing this and they’re also hearing from other countries because they understand that other countries want to very much come in. Donald Trump: (04:10)On this occasion I want to thank the leaders of Israel and Bahrain for their vision and courage to forge this historic agreement. Their leadership is proving that the future can be filled with hope and does not need to be predetermined by conflicts of the past. You know all about the conflicts of the past, they are very legendary. There was a lot of problems going on but we have been able to work things out to a level that nobody thought possible. This is really something very special, very, very special. As more countries normalize relations with Israel which will happen quite quickly we believe, the region will become more and more stable, secure and prosperous. In the meantime we’re pulling most of our soldiers out so we’re doing it the opposite way. They were doing it with nothing but fighting and blood all over the place. The sand was loaded up with blood and now you’re going to see that a lot of that sand is going to be loaded up with peace. Donald Trump: (05:10)The United States will continue to stand with the people of the region and work with them and build a brighter and much more hopeful future so we’re very proud of this and as time goes by I think you’ll see more and more why, I think most of you realize how important it is. Even the New York Times was very generous in their praise of the original deal and they never thought … I think nobody thought this was going to happen so quickly after the first but they’ll both be here on Tuesday, they’re going to be signing. Benjamin Netanyahu will be here, prime minister will be here, Israel, and we look forward to that. Donald Trump: (05:47)Just on this deal because of the importance of the deal, we’ll take some questions but first I’d like to ask Jared to say a few words and Mike Pence to say a few words and some of the folks, David, I’d like you to say something about it because it’s so historic and these people have worked so hard and so long on it. This is really the culmination of a long period of time, let’s put it that way. I don’t want to say how long but it’s a long period of time. It’s a great thing. Jared, please. Jared Kushner: (06:15)Thank you Mr. President and first I want to thank you for your leadership on this issue. Your first foreign trip was to Saudi Arabia where you outlined a vision for the region and all of the promises you made on that trip and all of the things that you foreshadowed have occurred. It’s been a strategy that you’ve stuck with and I want to thank you for giving me the trust and confidence that you’ve given me in order to work on this file over the last years and I think the results that we’ve achieved has been beyond anyone’s expectations and I believe that there is even more to come. Jared Kushner: (06:46)I just returned from the region last week, I was in the Middle East where I took the first commercial flight that’s ever flown from Israel to the United Arab Emirates. That flight flew over Saudi Arabia in airspace, it was the first time in 72 years that Saudi Arabia has now waived their airspace to allow commercial flights to fly from Israel back and forth. Bahrain then did the same thing. The United Arab Emirates waived a 48-year boycott on Israel which was an incredible development and there are now delegations moving throughout the Middle East figuring out how to bring the people closer together. Jared Kushner: (07:22)What President Trump has done here is unthinkable. He’s brought people in the Middle East together. There’s been these barriers that have existed that have led to so much instability, so much more loss, so much hopelessness and we’re seeing so much hopefulness now coming and I will say something that I never thought would be the case which is that on this last trip, the amount of optimism that has happened, that we’re experiencing in the Middle East is truly incredible so I just want to congratulate you, I want to congratulate the people of Israel, I want to congratulate the people from the kingdom of Bahrain, I want to thank their tremendous leadership and I also want to congratulate the people of the Middle East because the first deal that you were able to accomplish was so popular that things are really starting to move in a really strong direction and this makes America safer, it allows us to bring our troops home and allows us to work on bringing prosperity to American communities so really thank you for your leadership and congratulations on this great success. Donald Trump: (08:23)[inaudible 00:08:23] great job. Great job. Thank you very much, Jared. Mike, please. Mike Pence: (08:26)Mr. President, I can think of no more fitting tribute to the heroes that were forged on this day 19 years ago and all the heroes that were forged on battlefields ever since than to see this peace agreement announced today and Mr. President, you said from early on that we could stand with Israel and we could stand for peace. Your very first foreign trip was to the Arab world to reach out to create new alliances. You affirmed our support for Israel when you moved the American embassy to Jerusalem and the strength with which you have approached this has made now this second historic peace agreement possible. Mike Pence: (09:15)I want to congratulate you and thank you Mr. President for your leadership. I also want to … I want to thank the people of the kingdom of Bahrain and the people of Israel for finding a way forward, to begin to take one more step toward peace in the Middle East and to know that in this president and in the American people, they will have an ally with us. The good book says blessed are the peacemakers, and Mr. President, I just want to congratulate you. I want to congratulate Prime Minister Netanyahu and King Hamad of Bahrain on bringing peace between their nations and widening the reach of peace in the world. Congratulations. Donald Trump: (10:02)Thank you. Thank you very much Mike. Great. Our wonderful ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, who has been really something. He’s been … I put him there, I knew him for a long time. He was one of the most successful lawyers in the country by far and at least based on his paycheck I can tell you that and he’s a great lawyer, he’s a great talent and a great deal maker and I put him there for a reason, I put him there to get it done. [inaudible 00:10:29] just don’t be a regular ambassador like so many are, just get it done, see if you can bring peace to the Middle East. David, please. David Friedman: (10:37)Thank you Mr. President and I will always be indebted to you for giving me that honor. It’s one that I hold extremely dear. As you know Mr. President, people have thought about the Middle East for the past 100 years or more as a place of violence, of hopelessness, of suffering, of war, and what we’re seeing realtime in this room today and last month, we’re seeing the paradigm of the Middle East completely change. The world is turning in a very positive way and it’s all because if I may say, because of the policy that you began in May of 2017 of trusting our allies, of empowering our allies and in my case of course with being the greatest friend that Israel has ever had, of putting people on the job who share those values and convictions, and the fruit is now being borne in this incredible peace agreement. David Friedman: (11:32)Your policy of peace through strength has changed the world profoundly for the better and I am … As the Ambassador to Israel, I am eternally grateful for the changes that you have made for the U.S.-Israel relationship. Donald Trump: (11:46)Thank you David. Great job. Thank you. Avi, please. Avi Berkowitz: (11:49)Thank you Mr. President. Congratulations. Donald Trump: (11:52)He looks young [inaudible 00:11:53] but I will tell you he’s very smart. Go ahead. Avi Berkowitz: (11:57)Thank you Mr. President. Congratulations on just a tremendous, historic achievement here today. I think I [inaudible 00:12:05] speak for everybody in this room, all of my colleagues who have worked in your administration that thanks to your leadership, there’s just a tremendous sense of pride to be an American, to work on these issues under your leadership and I’m just so appreciative to you and so honored to be part of your team. So thank you. Donald Trump: (12:22)Thank you Avi. Speaker 6: (12:33)Mr. President, I think historians will look back on these two peace agreements as the beginning of the end of the Arab-Israeli conflict and you’ve talked about the journey to get here and I remember, I heard you pledge when you were in Riyadh and when you were in Israel, you pledged that you would strengthen America’s friendships and to build new partnerships in the pursuit of peace and you kept that promise and we see that very clearly today. Rather than appeasing America’s adversaries in the region, you recruited America’s allies and you focused on shared interests and shared threats but you also asked them to shoulder their part of the burden and to fulfill their end of the obligations. Nations rallied behind it, and as a consequence, the foundation has now been laid for great things in the coming years. Donald Trump: (13:28)Great. Well said. Thank you very much. Would you have anything to say? Speaker 7: (13:32)Mr. President, on behalf of soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines, thank you for your bold leadership and Sheikh Mohammed’s bold leadership, Prime Minister Netanyahu’s bold leadership, King Hamad’s bold leadership, Sheikh Mohammed Zayed again. Your bold leadership, what we’ve tried for the last 100 years has not worked. I think it’s very fitting that on September 11, we honor those special operators that we’ve buried and lost with peace and this is the way to beat terrorism at the end of the day so we’re honored and privileged and thank you for your leadership. Donald Trump: (14:04)Well they had a lot of bad thinking and a lot of bad concepts, a lot of things that I never thought were going to work. These were the ones that we were relying on to make the deals and they wasted 35 years, they wasted many, many years and they are the ones that have been critical of us and look what’s happening. Now they’re all of a sudden saying thinking I think they made a mistake, they were all saying that about themselves. So I just want to thank this group in particular for staying here and helping us out and doing things that nobody thought could have happened and under the old concepts of national defense or whatever category you want to put it under, that wasn’t working and it was never going to work and we changed things around very drastically and then we started to negotiate and the good news, I look at David because you know it, you see it, you hear it. Donald Trump: (14:53)The good news is we have many other countries now in the Middle East that want to be in this and that means peace because they’re tired of fighting. They can fight and they’re all great fighters and they’re warriors but even great warriors get tired of fighting and they’re tired of fighting and I can see things positively happening with Iran ultimately. I think that can all work out very well and I think that so many great things are going to happen and then we can also discuss the Palestinians. I think the Palestinians are going to end up doing something that’s going to be very smart for them and all their friends are coming into this and they want to come into it, they want to come into it very badly and I can see a lot of good things happening with respect to the Palestinians which would be really wonderful, whether you were on their side or not on their side, people want to see it all brought to an end and brought to an end quickly so that’s going to be very important, but this is a very historic day. Would anybody else like to say anything? Please, no, please. Speaker 8: (15:50)Mr. President, I just want to thank you and Ambassador O’Brien for giving me the opportunity to serve on the National Security Council staff and be part of something historic and be part of a team. Avi and Jared are tremendous leaders and the opportunity to work with them to do something important has been the highlight of my life, and thank you for letting me do that, sir. Donald Trump: (16:10)And you’ve been doing this for a long time. You never saw anything like this, right? Speaker 8: (16:13)No sir. Donald Trump: (16:14)We take a little bit of a different approach. Anybody? Please, come on, my friend. Speaker 9: (16:20)Mr. President, 19 years ago today, my father and I almost got caught in the crosshairs of that first jet that hit the Twin Towers. That event changed the course of my life, it led me to become a United States Marine which led to other things that brought me through a strange path here and I want to thank you for the leadership you’ve shown. Walter Russell Mead recently wrote, he was quoting Churchill who once said he got a bowl of pudding, he said, “Take it away, it has no theme.” There’s now a theme emerging in the Middle East and it is the theme of what is possible from peace through strength, through not appeasing our enemies and holding our allies and friends close. So congratulations sir. Donald Trump: (17:07)Thank you very much and this is a very, very big day. Very, very big day. Would you like to say something? Speaker 10: (17:12)Yes sir, like Matt and many others 19 years ago within a month of the attacks of 9/11, I and others were conducting operations in Afghanistan. As General Correa pointed out, it’s a privilege to be in different historic circumstances today, to be part of a tremendous team with outstanding leadership, all of it possible sir because of your vision, because of your leadership and the relationships of everyone in this room. It’s an enormous opportunity. It’s something that no one can imagine but it’s an enormous privilege and I’ll always be grateful for it so congratulations to you sir and thank you to you and everyone else here. Donald Trump: (17:44)Well it is an honor to have worked with all of you. You’re really talented people, incredible, and you are willing to be flexible. The word flexible is a very important word because we weren’t going by the old standards and norms, we were going by standards that can get things done but not only get them done, get them done in a much better way and this is just the beginning. A lot of things are happening and they’re happening very quickly. People want to be involved and they want to be involved … For the first time I think some of you have told me the first time ever that you’ve ever seen anything like this where they’re rushing into an agreement. They want to be involved. They’re tired of fighting as I said, they’re tired of fighting no matter how they are, no matter how great a warrior they are and you have some great warriors. I know most of them but it’s time. Thank you all very much. Thank you, please. Speaker 11: (18:30)[inaudible 00:18:30] Mr. President, can we ask you about this? Speaker 12: (18:31)[inaudible 00:18:31] thank you, we’re leaving. Thank you. 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sep president donald trump announce bahrain normalize relation israel september read transcript press event transcribe content try rev save time transcribe captioning subtitle donald trump powerful response hatred spawn agreement tell hear today think important middle east world spirit peace cooperation leader agree bahrain willfully normalize diplomatic relation israel exchange embassy ambassador begin direct flight country launch cooperation initiative broad range sector include health business technology education security agriculture truly historic day donald trump peace agreement israel year second peace agreement announce month hopeful follow tell tremendous enthusiasm behalf country join think ultimately country join go palestinians good position want come go want come friend tremendous enthusiasm come deal donald trump want thank group talented people go hear second historic day important day interesting great time know go happen term timing happen honored take office middle east state absolute chaos restore trust regional partner eliminate isis caliphate isolate radical pervert islam sew instability today nation region world join united determination build well future free evil perpetuate terror think think happen strongly donald trump speak king salman saudi arabia talk great gentleman term fight terror different ball game attain office fact saudi arabia thing anymore country neighbor thing level thing element fighting hate evaporate find soon evaporate thing happen middle east think possible think go right donald trump agree join israel united arab emirate way want thank mohamme great leader truly great leader white house tuesday tuesday signing abraham accord significance signing elevate historic breakthrough represent previously unthinkable regional transformation exactly unthinkable happen fast know original signing actually place term official tuesday united arab emirates people think amazing hear hear country understand country want come donald trump occasion want thank leader israel bahrain vision courage forge historic agreement leadership prove future fill hope need predetermine conflict past know conflict past legendary lot problem go able work thing level think possible special special country normalize relation israel happen quickly believe region stable secure prosperous meantime pull soldier opposite way fighting blood place sand load blood go lot sand go load peace donald trump united states continue stand people region work build bright hopeful future proud time go think think realize important new york times generous praise original deal think think think go happen quickly tuesday go sign benjamin netanyahu prime minister israel look forward donald trump deal importance deal question like ask jared word mike pence word folk david like historic people work hard long culmination long period time let way want long long period time great thing jared jar kushner mr president want thank leadership issue foreign trip saudi arabia outline vision region promise trip thing foreshadow occur strategy stick want thank give trust confidence give order work file year think result achieve expectation believe come jared kushner return region week middle east take commercial flight fly israel united arab emirate flight fly saudi arabia airspace time year saudi arabia waive airspace allow commercial flight fly israel forth bahrain thing united arab emirate waive boycott israel incredible development delegation move middle east figure bring people close jar kushner president trump unthinkable bring people middle east barrier exist lead instability loss hopelessness see hopefulness come think case trip optimism happen experience middle east truly incredible want congratulate want congratulate people israel want congratulate people kingdom bahrain want thank tremendous leadership want congratulate people middle east deal able accomplish popular thing start strong direction make america safe allow bring troop home allow work bring prosperity american community thank leadership congratulation great success donald trump great job great job thank jared mike mike pence president think fitting tribute hero forge day year ago hero forge battlefield peace agreement announce today mr president say early stand israel stand peace foreign trip arab world reach create new alliance affirm support israel move american embassy jerusalem strength approach second historic peace agreement possible mike pence want congratulate thank mr president leadership want want thank people kingdom bahrain people israel find way forward begin step peace middle east know president american people ally good book say bless peacemaker mr president want congratulate want congratulate prime minister netanyahu king hamad bahrain bring peace nation widen reach peace world congratulation donald trump thank mike great wonderful ambassador israel david friedman know long time successful lawyer country far base paycheck tell great lawyer 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appreciative honored team thank donald trump avi speaker president think historian look peace agreement beginning end arabisraeli conflict talk journey remember hear pledge riyadh israel pledge strengthen america friendship build new partnership pursuit peace keep promise clearly today appease america adversary region recruit america ally focus share interest share threat ask shoulder burden fulfill end obligation nation rally consequence foundation lay great thing come year donald trump say thank speaker president behalf soldier sailor airmen marine thank bold leadership sheikh mohammed bold leadership prime minister netanyahu bold leadership king hamad bold leadership sheikh mohamme zaye bold leadership try year work think fitting september honor special operator bury lose peace way beat terrorism end day honor privileged thank leadership donald trump lot bad thinking lot bad concept lot thing think go work one rely deal waste year waste year one critical look happen sudden saying 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Speeches, etc. Few Ministers of recent times have found themselves more frequently under fire than Margaret Thatcher, the Secretary of State for Education and Science. A disproportionate number of the policies for which she is responsible have figured large in the party political arena: school milk, student unions, comprehensive schools; and the left-wing press have gone out of their way to be rude about her. The Sun, for example, has described ‘Mrs Thatcher, milk-snatcher’ as ‘the most unpopular woman in Britain’ and ‘leading the (Conservative) Party back to the dark ages’. William Hamilton MP, fresh from his attacks on the Queen, has called her, ‘a reactionary cave-woman’; Teachers' World ‘the grey lady of Curzon Street’; and, in a more civilised fashion, Alan Watkins in the New Statesman has compared her to ‘the boy with red hair at the back of the class who is always being accused of talking’ (ignoring the fact that she is blonde). Even the Young Conservative news-sheet Tomorrow has written of ‘this Minister who can't win’. An examination of the facts, however, produces an entirely different picture. Present Conservative education policy is the result of careful studies while the party was in opposition and has received wide support, particularly the emphasis on the primary schools. Mrs Thatcher is now putting it into practice with courage, despite substantial obstacles placed in her way by entrenched educational interests. Much of the hostile comment—and not merely that in the popular press—has been distinguished by a quite incredible disregard for truth. To put the record straight, the CPC Monthly Report asked Mrs Thatcher to comment on the more important issues. Interviewer A number of journalists (for example, Bernard Levin in The Times of 16th December and Geoffrey Goodman in the Daily Mirror of 7th December) have suggested that not enough is being done to get rid of slum schools. How good is our record in this field? Mrs Thatcher Criticism of us on this subject can only be deliberately perverse. We shall be improving and replacing nearly one thousand slum primary schools in the next two years and another thousand in the two years after that. This is where the most urgent needs are to be found: dilapidated buildings, antique plumbing, heating and lighting, poor design, inadequate play facilities, and so on. The Conservative Party has accepted the findings of the Plowden Report on primary education, which showed how conditions in the first years of a child's education were of crucial importance to later development; and so we are doing more than three times as much as the last Labour Government in this direction. Interviewer The critics say, however, that we are only doing it at the expense of the secondary schools—for example, the Thomas Calton School in Peckham where you are blamed for the dilapidated state of the building. Mrs. Thatcher It is nonsense to say that secondary schools are being neglected. Very substantial improvements to existing secondary schools are taking place through the special allocations of money made as a result of the raising of the school leaving age: £43½m. this financial year and £53½m. next. There has, it is true, been a decline in the amounts allocated for ordinary improvements and replacements to secondary schools. But this started in 1967 and was carried out by Labour Ministers. Apart from this, however, it is quite clear that the primary schools should receive the higher priority. One in five of our primary school children are still in pre-20th Century schools; which is true of only about one in twenty of secondary school children. There is an important point to be made about the Thomas Calton School, too. Some of the press have given the impression that I was preventing improvements which were already planned and would otherwise have taken place. This school has never been included in a building programme; indeed, the ILEA Handbook about secondary schools in Southwark says that ‘after extensive adaptation, re-equipment and re-organisation, the school now has good facilities …’ Including the Thomas Calton School in the 1973/4 programme would only be possible at the expense of nine primary schools containing more than 2,000 children. In my view, the needs of these young children should come first. Interviewer You say that large sums of money are being spent on the secondary schools in connection with raising the school leaving age. Wouldn't it be better spent in other directions? And won't raising the leaving age saddle the secondary schools with a quarter of a million unwilling, even violent fifteen-year-olds? [end p1] Mrs Thatcher I think we must remember that the raising of the leaving age to sixteen has been the long-term policy of all governments since the 1944 Butler Education Act. The present measures were planned by the last Conservative Government and continued by Labour—although they postponed it. We are now carrying it through. The syllabus in secondary schools is geared to a leaving age of sixteen: for example the ‘O’ level and ‘CSE’ examinations. Of those who leave at fifteen, about 91 per cent leave without either. The extra year will enable very large numbers to obtain qualifications which they could otherwise not have, and the Schools Council has done three years work in planning the curriculum. On the question of violence: surely it is wrong to deny additional opportunities to large numbers of pupils because of a potentially violent minority? The correct answer is for the LEA's to provide additional help to those schools where violence becomes a problem. Interviewer The issue which has seemed to have caused the most controversy since you became Secretary of State is school milk. Do you, perhaps, regret having made the decision? Mrs Thatcher There has certainly been a lot of comment on the subject and a great deal of it has been very ill-informed. One of the worst examples was an editorial in The Sun of 15th October which stated that Mrs Thatcher ‘yesterday defended her outrageous policy of stopping free school milk for the under-sevens’ (sic). But free milk for the under sevens is of course continuing unchanged. I have not even stopped all free school milk for the over-sevens: those who really need it will continue to receive it free as before. And the Labour Government, after all, abolished general free school milk for the secondary schools. By this measure we shall save £9m. a year, enough to build seventy-five new primary schools. When one considers the matter in terms of priorities, there is no doubt in my mind where the money should go. Parents cannot by themselves build new schools; this is something which only the Government can and must do. Most parents, however, can buy their own children milk, and I very much hope that this is what they will do. The Milk Marketing Board has suggested a number of excellent ways in which milk can be made available on a ‘paid for’ basis to those children who are no longer eligible to get it free. Another interesting thing is that public opinion is by no means as much in support of free milk for all as the Opposition would like us to believe. In Merthry Tydfil, for example, a survey conducted by the town's weekly newspaper found that the public were two to one against the Council's campaign opposing our policy, and three to one against free milk being paid for from the rates. Interviewer The Labour Opposition has also made a fuss about some of your decisions on comprehensive re-organisation. There was the case, for example, of Rydens School in Surrey where Mr Short accused you of a ‘tennis court’ plot to defeat the wishes of the local council. Mrs Thatcher The basis of Conservative policy on secondary re-organisation is absolutely clear: parents should be given a choice of school wherever possible. In the case of Rydens School I agreed that it should become comprehensive, but also, under Section 68 of the Act, gave the parents in that school's catchment area the choice of taking the 11 plus to go to a selective school. But for this action there would have been no choice of school at all for children of grammar school ability. For the same reason—to expand the area of choice—we are determined to support the direct grant grammar school, as a half-way house between the independent and state systems. They must give 25 per cent of their places free to children of all backgrounds, the remaining parents paying what they can afford. I might emphasise that the increased grant I have made to these schools is only restoring the cuts made by the last Labour Government in 1968 as a temporary economy measure, with an additional sum to take account of rising costs. Interviewer Turning to higher education, both the students and the university vice-chancellors have come out very strongly against the Government's suggestions for reforming the finances of student unions. Even the Conservative students have proposed something different. Do you now think that the idea of reform was perhaps a mistake? Mrs Thatcher A number of separate problems are involved here. First, there are the complaints from local authorities, who are compelled to pay student union dues in addition to the grant, although they have no say over the amount and the unions are not publicly accountable for how it is spent. The second, about which the Conservative students are rightly worried, is the issue of ultra vires payments by unions to political causes like Black Power, the Upper Clyde Shipyard and so on. Some student unions have refused to give financial support to university Conservative organisations while paying out to extreme left-wing bodies both inside and outside universities. Then there is the ‘closed-shop’ aspect. One student was reported in the Evening Standard as saying: ‘if there was an option about paying money to a student union I wouldn't pay. It's only because it's taken out of my grant that they get a contribution from me’. The major criticism made about the solution favoured in the consultative document is that channelling union funds through the university and college administrations would reduce student autonomy and produce added tension with the authorities. It perhaps isn't realised that such a system already exists in the case of capital expenditure. Now that we have deferred action on this matter for a year we shall have more time to discuss alternative proposals, including the idea of a registrar. One objection to this, however, is that it would do nothing to meet the anxieties of the local authorities. Interviewer There are some worries about the speed with which universities have been expanding in recent years? What are our plans in this direction? Mrs Thatcher This is a field in which the Government will soon be taking crucial decisions. If we continue to expand the universities and other sectors of higher education at the rate they were expanded over the last ten years, there may not be enough money to expand nursery education as much as we would wish, nor to embark upon a large secondary school improvement programme. We have, however, an important programme for expanding the polytechnics and colleges in the further education field. For instance, we have increased the polytechnic building programme from £4.7m. in 1971/2 to to £16m. in 1973/4. This should open up new opportunities for large numbers of people outside the schools and universities, for whom provision is at present far too limited. Interviewer Finally, why do you think the left-wing is picking on you? Mrs Thatcher Perhaps they think that I'm a dangerous woman. I'm inclined to take it as a compliment. Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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speech etc minister recent time find frequently fire margaret thatcher secretary state education science disproportionate number policy responsible figure large party political arena school milk student union comprehensive school leftwe press go way rude sun example describe mrs thatcher milksnatcher unpopular woman britain lead conservative party dark age william hamilton mp fresh attack queen call reactionary cavewoman teacher world grey lady curzon street civilised fashion alan watkin new statesman compare boy red hair class accuse talk ignore fact blonde young conservative newssheet tomorrow write minister not win examination fact produce entirely different picture present conservative education policy result careful study party opposition receive wide support particularly emphasis primary school mrs thatcher put practice courage despite substantial obstacle place way entrenched educational interest hostile comment merely popular press distinguish incredible disregard truth record straight cpc monthly report ask mrs thatcher comment important issue interviewer number journalist example bernard levin time december geoffrey goodman daily mirror december suggest rid slum school good record field mrs thatcher criticism subject deliberately perverse shall improve replace nearly thousand slum primary school year thousand year urgent need find dilapidate building antique plumbing heating light poor design inadequate play facility conservative party accept finding plowden report primary education show condition year child education crucial importance late development time labour government direction interviewer critic expense secondary school example thomas calton school peckham blame dilapidated state building mrs thatcher nonsense secondary school neglect substantial improvement exist secondary school take place special allocation money result raising school leave age financial year true decline amount allocate ordinary improvement replacement secondary school start 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Speeches, etc. It is easy enough today to feel depressed about the outlook for our country. With a Socialist Government whose programme seems to consist solely of plans for nationalisation and vindictive attacks on industry and private property, it is hard to see how we can escape either economic disaster or bitter social divisions. Yet I refuse to believe that the British people, who have surmounted so many crises in a thousand years of history, will prove incapable of meeting the present challenge to their survival as a great nation. A time of challenge is not a time for gloom. The mood of those who are determined to see Britain through her crisis should be one of excitement as well as hope. The challenge itself should be enough to rouse them. We may not have a Churchill now—but the instincts and traditions on which Churchill founded his appeal to the nation to fight and to survive are very far from dead. This month could mark a turning point for Britain. For too long there has been a gulf between politicians and people which has now to be bridged. This should be the task of the Conservative Party in 1975. The present leadership contest is not a disaster for the Tories, as some have gloomily asserted, but the start of a new political era. I have found that the reaction of people outside Westminster to our multiple election is very different from what the pessimists predicted. They find it both interesting and exciting. They are delighted to discover that the Tory Party is once again alive and kicking, publicly debating its ideas, its policies and its views on the required style of political leadership. What could be healthier? And whoever is elected leader, there will be no difficulty about uniting the Tory Party. What unites a party in Opposition is the consciousness that it has a valid and appealing message for the British people. And this I am determined we shall have. The party will unite itself. What I want to do is to unite the country. By this obviously, I don't mean that I expect to be able to persuade every trade unionist and every floating voter to become a Tory. But I do believe it is possible to unite the majority of sensible people in a determination to get ourselves out of the mess we are in now. This will not be done by vague appeals for “national unity.” Still less can it be achieved by a mish-mash of compromises designed to try to please everybody. That would only get us deeper into trouble. The job of politicians is not to please everyone—which is impossible—but to do justice to everyone. This means, certainly, showing compassion to those who are in need of help. But it also means offering a fair chance of success to those who are best able to help the country to survive and be prosperous. You do a poor service to the weak by depriving the community of the efforts of the able and enterprising. Success is the prize in which all can share. Surely the basis of unity is common sense, a quality with which the British people are abundantly endowed. No policies will succeed unless they pass this test. I am normally a very patient person, but my patience has been sorely tried by recent attempts to drive a wedge inside the Tory Party between those who are alleged to represent “middle-class values” and those who—presumably—stand for something quite different. Common sense—like patriotism—is the prerogative of no class or section of the people. And surely the message of common sense, appealing to people in all walks of life, is clear. First, inflation is the enemy that menaces the living standards of everyone. It simply has to be slowed down or there is no escape from our present crisis. People know in their hearts that prices, wages and salaries cannot go on for ever leapfrogging at the present rate. Inevitably that would lead, sooner rather than later, to economic breakdown and mass unemployment. Again, people know that no one can now expect to be paid more in real terms for producing no more than before. Yes, common sense tells people that these things are true. But if some sections of the community decide to grab what they can for themselves, will others be willing to hold back? Only if they believe the Government has a comprehensible plan for halting inflation, and that its measures will be broadly fair to all. Yet it is futile, as well as dishonest, to pretend that inflation can be checked without sacrifices and inconvenience. There must be a slowing down of the rise in public expenditure, national and local. That means postponing or reducing the scope of otherwise desirable projects. Ultimately, I would hope that public authorities will need to do less—and interfere less—so that people can choose how to spend their own money instead of having it spent for them. Next, unemployment. No Government deliberately creates unemployment. But equally, politicians should not be hypnotised by dubious statistics into subsidising the wrong things. We can't go on for ever propping up inefficient firms and ailing industries. It's not fair to the workers in them, who could be found greater security and higher earnings elsewhere. And, if it is folly to subsidise inefficiency, it is sheer lunacy not to encourage the able, enterprising and efficient—whether firms or individuals. Mr. Healey 's penal tax proposals do exactly the reverse. I want a tax system that encourages and rewards not only saving and investment but risk-taking and hard work. And I want a system of social services that provides generously for the old, the sick and the needy without giving the slightest encouragement to the workshy. These policies are based on common sense, aren't they? I am sure they would receive general assent from all sensible people. But, of course, the mood of despondency and frustration that afflicts so many of our citizens is caused by more than Britain's economic troubles. I do not believe, as some have asserted, that there is a crisis of morals in this country. We are as moral a country, still, as most. There is, however, a crisis of morale. People have resigned themselves to putting up with things because they see no hope of getting them put right. The threats to law and order are widely resented, and there would be massive support for a determined effort to deal both with the causes and with the overt threats. Truancy, indiscipline, and falling educational standards in many schools worry parents in all walks of life. Practical common sense—which does not include destroying some of the best schools in the country for the sake of Socialist dogma—could give our children a much better chance than many are getting. Finally, there must be something wrong with the morale of a great nation which acquiesces in the running down of its defences at the expense of its allies, and allows itself to be blinkered in its approach to the European adventure by niggling arguments about the price of tinned fruit. There is nothing wrong with Britain which cannot be put right if our people are determined enough to survive and prosper. I think I understand what is worrying the people of Britain. I also think they underrate their own capacities. If they were encouraged to use their common sense and to believe that politicians had some common sense too, they could surprise the world—and perhaps themselves as well! Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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Ep. 1841 - Hamas’ Fifth Column Published: 11/1/2023 Today's show is sponsored by ExpressVPN. Do you like your web history being seen and sold to advertisers? No, me neither. Get ExpressVPN right now at ExpressVPN dot com slash Ben. In 1968, at the beginning of the Tet Lunar New Year, the Vietcong violated a temporary ceasefire by launching a major invasion across South Vietnam. The offensive was a military catastrophe for the Vietcong. It essentially derated them as a serious fighting force in South Vietnam and ended with them retreating from all captured territory. The military loss, however, was not the real story. The real story was America's media. Walter Cronkite, America's most trusted news anchor was in actuality a partisan leftist, but he masqueraded as an objective journalist and so on. Receiving news of the Tet Offensive Cronkite went on the air and proceeded to inform the American people that the war in Vietnam was being lost. He flew to Vietnam to investigate the situation himself, and upon his return, he said this, For it seems now more certain than ever, that the bloody experience of Vietnam is to end in a stalemate. This summer's, almost certain standoff will either end in real, give and take negotiations or terrible escalation. And for every means we have to escalate, the enemy can match us. And that applies to invasion of the North, the use of nuclear weapons, or the mere commitment of 100 or 200 or 300,000 more American troops to the battle. And with each escalation, the world comes closer to the brink of cosmic disaster. The Vietnam War wasn't primarily lost on the battlefield. It was lost in the hearts and minds of the American people, and it was lost in large part because of the American news media. The American news media has rarely covered itself in glory covering foreign policy. The New York Times famously covered for Stalin's. He latimer his starvation of millions of his own citizens in Ukraine, deploying corrupt and venal Walter Durante to cover for the evil dictator the New York Times largely Backpage. the Holocaust itself, the world's most evil regimes have routinely relied on America's media to provide them cover, and today is no different. Hamas is an evil genocidal terrorist group, yet they receive widespread sympathy because the media create that sympathy. They do so through a variety of methods. First and most obviously, they draw moral equivalence between Hamas, which targets civilians for death, both Israeli and its own, and Israel, which seeks to avoid killing civilians when it targets members of Hamas. Take for example, Wolf Blitzers questioning of an IDF Commander yesterday after Israel hit a Hamas command tunnel network in Jambalaya, a major city in the Gaza Strip, often characterized by the media as a refugee camp. Here's Blitzer. But even if that Hamas commander was there amidst all those Palestinian refugees who are in that, in that Jabal refugee camp, Israel still went ahead and and dropped a bomb there attempting to kill this Hamas, this Kamas Hamas commander knowing that a lot of innocent civilians, men, women, and children, presumably would be killed. Is that what I'm hearing states? That's not what you're hearing Wolf. We again, were focused on this commander again, who you'll get more data, who this man was killed. Many, many Israelis But You know that there are a lot of refugees, a lot of innocent civilians, men, women and children in that refugee camp as well, right? This is the tragedy of werewolf. I mean, we, as You know, we've been saying for days move south civilians are not involved with Hamas. Please move south. I'm just trying to Get a little bit more information. You knew they weren civilians there. You knew they weren, refugees, all sorts of refugees, but you decided to still drop a bomb on that refugee camp attempting to kill the Hamas commander. That's Blitzer repeatedly blaming Israel for the fact that Hamas deliberately hides beneath civilian areas and then calling on Israel to effectively preemptively surrender in order to avoid civilian casualties. If this were truly a civilian sensor alone, massive tunnel craters simply wouldn't be there. The ground actually collapsed after the bombs hit. The craters are there, so are the dead fighters. But according to Wolf Blitzer and CNN Israel's legitimate military actions are apparently morally equivalent to Hamas' slaughter of babies in their cribs. This of course follows hard on the New York Times, accepting the word of Hamas about military strikes in casualties, resulting in a major blood libel in which the entire legacy media parroted that Israel had struck a hospital killing 500 people. In reality, a misfired Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket hit a parking lot near the hospital too late. The damage was done because this is how it works at the media. We'll get to the next way that the media undermine the case in favor of morality and stand up for the world's worst people in just one second. First, with all this turmoil in the world, with the economy on Tenter hooks with, with it seeming as though everything is chaotic, you might wanna diversify into something that has never been worth zero. You might wanna diversify into precious metals the same way that I do. We keep on spending and spending and spending and spending. And Joe Biden's gonna keep spending and funding the valuation of the dollar is coming. Everyone knows this. We have 34 30 $5 trillion in national debt. Protect your savings today by diversifying it to gold with the help of Birch Gold Group. Here's the best part. 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The media love the moral equivalent strategy because it allows them to pretend that western countries targeting bad guys are the same as the bad guys. We see this all the time. Then there is the second media strategy misdirection comedian Norm McDonald tweeted in December, 2016, quote, what terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 50 million Americans. Imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims. McDonald's joke is actually the media's strategy for moral equivalents as antisemitism rises around the globe as millions of radical Muslims, including in the West March, in favor of Hamas, the media are treating Muslims all over the world as a victim group. Thus, the New York Times ran an op-ed. Today in the midst of the widest global, increased in antisemitism of my lifetime, decrying the supposed rise in Islamophobia. The author was one Rosina Ali, quote, A journalist who covers war Islamophobia in the Middle East. Her article explained quote, for those who experienced waves of harassment and government surveillance in the years after September 11th, the president's pledge of unwavering support for Israel set off alarm bells. Yes, according to this New York Times columnist supporting Israel is covered for Islamophobia. She also insists that quote, from college campuses to places of work, people are facing retribution for expressing support for Palestinians that is being misconstrued as anti-Israel or pro Hamas. That is a lie given that protests against Israel began even before Israeli counterstrikes. And these protests routinely feature chance for the destruction of the state of Israel. They're not exactly hiding the message as Israel herself. Her Twitter feed shows that on October 7th, the date of Hamas' massacre, she didn't tweet at all, but she did retweet a post complaining that Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, is telling civilians to leave potential war zones in anticipation of military action. In fact, Ali has posted precisely zero times Toran kamasi's brutality, but she did find time to retweet posts calling Israel's actions in Gaza, a genocide. Finally, there's the third media strategy pretending that antisemitism isn't a major problem, it's actually just a side effect of political contentiousness, which means in the end, it's really springing from the cycle of violence, which means in the end, it's really springing from Israeli policy, which means in the end, it's really coming from the Jews. The media are in the business of downplaying Muslim and left wing antisemitism, treating it as mere opposition to Israeli policy. The policy in this case being You know Israel surviving or as a ruse. Today's example comes courtesy of the New York Times. So pro-ISIS Israel and proje activists around the nation have been putting up posters of men, women, and children kidnapped by Hamas and anti-Semites have been ripping down those posters. Here's a video from just yesterday, Ripping a posters down. These are innocent civilians in Israel Israel. These are our You In Israel don't down these posters. Yeah, that's right. What they're saying is F you F Israel as they rip down the posters and it's happening all over the country, dozens and dozens of cases every single day of people going around and ripping down posters of kidnapped children because they hate Jews. I mean, that's why that's happening. Here's another, here's another example. Huh? Why'd you tear that flyer down? Oh, I was just looking at it closer. How well, how is this propaganda? Were they weren not kidnapped? No. Why are you, why are you tearing that down? I just have to put up more. Okay, then go ahead. Well, I'd like it back. Yeah, you're like, sorry. That was literally, Why do you feel like that's acceptable? These people are kidnapped. Can you just likes Crumbling? Excuse me. I put that flyer up. I would like it back. She's crumbling it up and ripping it up. Why? Why do you think this is acceptable? These people are kidnapped. You know. This guy's not even Israeli. He's Thai. Yeah, that's great. Why is that great? Why do you think it's acceptable to tear down missing posters of kidnapped people? Well, the people who are supposedly pro-Palestinian, not pro kamas, they're making it very difficult to make that case when they're ripping down posters of people kidnapped by Hamas. Again, by the way, it should be pointed out here that zero of the pro-Palestinian protests that are supposedly also not pro Hamas, have called for Hamas to surrender. Zero as in none, as in you can't find anyone who's doing that. So this is all pretty clear evidence of widespread antisemitism? No, well, not according to the New York Times. Here's how the New York Times is reporting all of this, quote, displaying the posters has become a form of activism. Keeping the more than 200 hostages seized by Hamas in full view of the public by removing the posters, has quickly emerged as its own form of protest, a release valve, and also a provocation by those, anguished by what they say was the Israeli government's mistreatment of Palestinians in the years before October 7th and since the bombing of Gaza began. Ah, here you get not only the third strategy, but the first strategy. You get the third strategy, which is to pretend that antisemitism doesn't exist. And the first strategy, which is moral equivalent, because obviously Israel targeting terrorists and accidentally hitting civilians is the same as Kamas, kidnapping small babies and keeping them in tunnels. But the New York Times has more quote, the battle has inflamed already tense emotions, and it captures one of the most fervently debated questions of the war. Who's suffering should command public attention and sympathy? In fact, the motivations of those removing signs takes a variety of forms, and as unnerving as the removal of the posters has been for some Jews and supporters of Israel, at least some of the people tearing down the posters are Jewish themselves. So there's the New York Times downplaying people literally ripping down posters of kidnapped babies and pretending that it's just another form of protest. It's all equivalent. Now, by the way, this is the same New York Times that was out there ripping on people destroying their lives for not posting the Black Lives Matter Square or the obligatory lawn sign saying Black Lives Matter. Here's the Daily Dot playing the same exact game quote. Some are wondering if the posters are being strategically placed to entrap those who tear them down, many of whom support the Palestinian people. Yes. You see those posters have short skirts. That's why they're being torn down. Those pesky Jews and their posters in sympathy with kidnapped victims being held by a genocidal terror group entrapment. The real bad guys, the Jews, the antisemitism isn't real. The Jews are causing it by putting up pieces of paper with the faces of babies that have been kidnapped by an evil terrorist group and will likely die in tunnels never seeing their first birthday. That's the Jews' fault, guys, the antisemitism of ripping that stuff down. It's 'cause the Jews are being provocative. They need to stop being Jews. I mean all the, they keep this breathing thing is annoying. Hamas and its allies are relying utterly on the legacy media, both in America and in Europe, to cover for them and to provide political pressure on politicians to cut their support to Israel in the midst of their war with Hamas. That's precisely why Hamas is planting civilians in harm's way to maximize casualties for the cameras to blame. Israel Hamas would not do that if the media were not playing along. The media's responsibility for the current conflict is massive. The media have consistently and repeatedly pretended that Hamas terror is the same as legitimate military response, thus incentivizing the terror for the cameras. The media have repeatedly and consistently suggested that if Israel hits civilians while attempting to kill terrorists, this is the equivalent of what Hamas does. Thus incentivizing creating the full incentive for Hamas to get as many civilians killed as possible. Hamas admits this stuff on camera and to what the media do. They just ignore it. They pretend it doesn't exist. The media play along with pretty much every bad regime on the planet. We have to ask why. The answer is that the legacy media is salted with members of an international left dedicated to the proposition that the West Israel included is itself fatally, flawed and colonialist. All the college radicals we were supposed to ignore, they were gonna grow up. They were gonna pay taxes, get jobs. Well, they did grow up and they went into journalism. These media outlets hire local partisan activists to freelance for them, including Hitler supporters, anti-Semites, to cover the Gaza Strip. These media outlets see their mission as the restoration of justice in the universe. Justice, of course, meaning the destruction of the west power in the name of the supposedly oppressed of the earth. If the legacy media get their way, the west will fall into disarray and so far they are succeeding. Admirably. We get to more on this in just one second. 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If you wanna try Beams, bestselling Dream powder, get up to 40% off for a limited time. When you go to shop Beam dot com slash Ben, use code BEN at checkout. That's shop Beam dot com slash BEN. Use code BEN for up to 40% off shop BEA m.com/ BEN. Okay, so on the international front, the battle in the media is a major part of what is going on because on the ground, Israel is winning. Last night, as mentioned, Israel struck a series of tunnel complexes under the jabaliya, quote unquote refugee camp. I'm saying quote unquote, because it's actually just a city. People are calling areas in the Gaza Strip refugee camps as though these people are going to be imported into Haifa or something. There are giant buildings that have been there since 1948 and before. So many of the quote unquote refugee camps that you're seeing are actually just cities and calling em refugee camps is a way of weaponizing them against the future of the state of Israel. That's part of the goal. But Israel did strike a bunch of tunnel complexes. They've killed an enormous number of members of Hamas' leadership. They're penetrating deep into the Gaza Strip, particularly in the northern portion of the Gaza Strip. And so that's creating desperation on the part of Hamas, which you are seeing in them now attempting to say that they're going to release some passport holders, American passport holders were being held up by Hamas in the Gaza Strip. They're not being allowed to leave via the Rafa crossing. Apparently, Hamas is now thinking about maybe allowing that to happen because they're trying to create some sort of sentiment that they're not all that bad. I mean, they are releasing people with dual passports. You'll see Hamas in future weeks, I would assume say the same about dual passport holders among the hostages that they're currently holding In an attempt to buy off America, for example, you may see them take some people with dual nationality, Israeli American nationality and release some of those people in an attempt to buy off the Americans, which of course is a sickness of its own because now you have Nazi type selection in which if you have the right passport, you go to the right and live, and if you have the wrong passport, you go to the left and you die in the tunnels with these evil, these evil monsters. So what Hamas is relying upon is that the international community will stop Israel from finishing them off. That's what they're relying upon right now, because on the ground, Israel is in fact winning, which is why you are seeing ancillary groups like the Houthis suddenly decide to get in, right? All of these groups are being run by Hamas. Yesterday, the Yemen Houthis Rebels entered the war with Israel after it launched drones and missiles at the south of the country earlier today, all that stuff was shot down. The Houthis are part of the Iranian axis of resistance. It must be noted at this point that the Iranian Houthis were a State Department labeled terrorist group under the Trump administration. One of the first moves of the Biden administration was to remove the Houthis from the terrorists, despite their charming slogan, death to the Jews, death to America. So now they've decided that they're going to enter the war. Now, do they have the projective power to seriously impact Israel? The answer is no. Israel is sending some naval assets into the region to shoot down anything that the Houthis decides to fire. But this is essentially Iran trying to threaten everyone from every border without losing important pieces of the pie. So right now, Iran has proxies everywhere the the Proxies Act as their offensive military mechanism. Iran does not have the actual projective capacity from its own country to destroy Israel outright. So instead, it uses proxy groups like Kamas, like Hezbollah. Hezbollah has so far stayed out. The reason that Hezbollah has not gotten in full scale is because my, my theory of this entire conflict is that this was generated by Iran in order to stave off the Saudi peace process. I think everybody who understands geopolitics understands that this is what's happening right now. And the reason is because that process has been working amazingly well. The Abraham Accords are holding Ali Alimi, who's the head of Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee in the UAE Parliament, said quote from the UAE perspective, the Abraham Accords are here to stay. We want everyone to acknowledge and accept that Israel is there to exist. That is, that's a strong statement. Okay? So the Iranians were afraid that they would be boxed in. They were afraid that a Saudi, Egyptian Jordanian UAE alliance, that this would effectively create a massive counterbalance boxing them in in the Middle East. And so the Iranians struck out using Hamas. Now, my guess is that they didn't think Hamas was going to succeed in this terror attack as far as it did. They probably believed that Israel's wall was going to hold that the, this is not the first time that people have tried to breach the wall. They probably figured that they would attack with 1500, 2000 terrorists. Pretty much all of them would be killed, but they would end up killing a couple of hundred Israeli civilians and kidnapping 10 or 20 of them. And this would be enough to create a serious Israeli military responds, but not enough that the world would actually be okay with allowing Israel to do that sort of thing. And so it drives Saudi off the ball in terms of creating a peace deal with the Israelis. That was probably the original intent. And then it turns out the Kamas succeeded beyond its wildest imaginings. They ended up killing 1500 people inside Israel and kidnapping over 200 people. They go pro it, they videoed it. They couldn't, they couldn't help themselves because this is how much they hate Jews. And so Iran, I think, feels a little bit like the dog that caught the car. Hamas is about to get taken off the board. Hamas was one of their nights on the chess board. Hamas is about to Get a completely destroyed and eviscerated as well. It should be. And the the, the last thing they want is probably Hezbollah, which is a significantly more powerful piece on the board of single Rook. They don't want that being taken out by the Israelis as well. So instead they're sort of prodding around the edges. But all of this, again, is the result of the success of Israel's military activities right now. Meanwhile, Egypt is saying that it is not going to take in anyone, anyone from the Gaza Strip, in fact, and which by the way, this should be an indicator of just how dangerous Egypt perceived the people in the Gaza Strip to be to their country in terms of how many of them are supportive. Al Hamas, that's Egypt's perspective, not Israel's Egypt. Mustafa Mabu, who's the country's prime minister, said quote, we are prepared to sacrifice millions of lives to ensure that no one encroaches upon our territory. He said Egypt would never allow imposed solutions or the settlement of regional issues at its expense. So that is the current situation in the Middle East. The only way, literally the only way that Hamas can win and survive is with the help of a media pushing the west political leaders into a position of weakness. That is their goal and they may get what they want. I'll explain in just one second. First, if you run a small business, you need to plan ahead. 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He says that there, there's really no way to sort of correlate his success with regard to, with regard to Israel with his electoral success. You're seeing a bunch of left-wing activists like Gideon Rackman, who's a chief of foreign affairs, commentator for the financial times, right? And Gaza is very bad news for Biden's reelect prospects. Young voters in progressives are a key part of the Democratic coalition. Many are furious about the administration's support for Israel. If they stay home or vote for Cornell West Biden is in big trouble. So number one, none of them are voting for Cornell West. Cornell West is not gonna Get a lot of the vote. But as Nate Silver points out, there's been no change overall in Biden's approval rating since ten seven. Biden's policy is popular with parts of some Democrats and unpopular with others. Also, swing voters matter too. Americans are pretty supportive of Israel. That happens to be true. But again, the media are now creating pressure, particularly pro Kamas. Members of the media are creating pressure on Biden by essentially suggesting that if he were to lose the election would be because he's too supportive of Israel, which is an amazing statement considering that in the United States, supporting Israel over Kamas is like a 70 15 prospect. In terms of the polling data, naturally. John Zogby, who is a member of the of the pro-Palestinian Caucus, he was commissioned by the Arab American Institute to poll Arab Americans just to show Joe Biden how angry they are showing that just 17% would support the current president in the 2024 election. The poll surveyed Arab Americans across the country, including battleground states, two thirds of verb Americans have a negative view of President Biden's response to the current violence in Palestine and Israel. Only 17% are ready to vote for him in 2024. But Biden is not the only candidate losing support. The majority is not claiming to prefer the Democratic Party in 2008 and 2016. And Democrats outnumbered Republicans two to one in this poll, 32% of Arab Americans identified as Republican compared to 23% who identified as Democrats. 59% of Arab Americans reported experiencing discrimination. 70%. 74% of Arab Americans aged 18 to 34 reported facing discrimination. So let's just point out here, we should point out here that this poll does not suggest that these people are going to swivel and and vote for the most pro-ISIS Israel president in the history of the United States. Donald Trump, who's likely to be the Republican nominee, or Ron DeSantis, who if anything, is even more pro-ISIS Israel than Donald Trump. But this is ginned up in order to put pressure on Biden to abandon Israel. And you're seeing the media do this over and over and over. So you have a, you have an article from Politico suggesting former aide to Kamala Harris's 2020 presidential campaign are collecting signatures for a letter urging the vice President to quote, seek an immediate ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, calling Israel's Gaza campaign a genocide. The draft letter, which was obtained by political amounts to an attempt to dial up pressure on one of the Biden administration's most familiar faces. It encourages the vice president to support a ceasefire resolution introduced by Representative co Bush. The draft letter says, we must mourn the tragic loss of Israeli life targeted by Hamas. However, we must firmly and unequivocally reject the Israeli government's exploitation of these deaths. Exploitation of the deaths. That's what Israel's doing. They're exploiting the deaths to get rid of Kamas, despite the fact that again, they literally surrendered the entire Gaza Strip to Kamas and left them in control for 18 years. 18 years. Well, Kamas was firing rockets to them, but they're exploiting the tragedy in order to do what expending Israeli blood and treasure going back into an area they wish they had never seen. Like this is amazing stuff. But again, the goal here is to generate dissent inside the Democratic Party. Same thing in the Wall Street Journal. Molly Ball, who's a left-wing reporter. The left is tearing itself apart over Israel to many on the left. The Israel Hamas war is spurring what feels like a permanent rupture, where previously sublimated differences become impossible to ignore. And everyone must choose sides. Both pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian advocates describe a feeling of disillusionment as relationships fracture and harsh words are exchanged. The result, many predict could be a breach that splits Democrats for a generation with untold political consequences. The feeling is mutual. So they, she talks about how Jews are feeling like You know. Why are Black Lives Matter and co bush and AOC suddenly pro Hamas, the feeling is mutual. For many activists on the left, you see President Biden and other democratic office holders have blindly sided with a right aligned Israeli government, by the way, right Aligned Israeli. It's a unity government. Benny s is part of the government. Benny Gonz is not on the right. He's literally part of the coalition opposing Netanyahu. But it doesn't matter, the media don't know what the hell they're talking about. As, as per our usual arrangement, if you are Arab American, Muslim American, or Palestinian, you feel like you don't matter. You feel invisible said, while lead Shahid a progressive strategist and former spokesman for the Justice Democrats, that of course would be AOCs brand of the party. So again, the goal here by many members of the media is to prop up the pro kamas wing of the Democratic party so as to create a groundswell of dissent inside the Democratic party, causing Joe Biden to turn away from what has been so far pretty solid support for Israel. And that, of course is effectively what the AOC wing is there to do. That's what the AOC win, the party, the co bush wing of the party is there. Cory Bush, who's just a terrible human being. BLM congresswoman, she tweeted out yesterday, there's a direct tweet from her quote, we can't be silenced about Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign. Ethnic cleansing. Ethnic cleansing, weird 'cause again, You know, I always assume that ethnic cleansing involved the ethnic cleansing of a population, not their multiplication from 1.2 million Arabs in 1948 to You know, 7 million in 2023. Terrible job ethnic cleansing Israel. Also, I assume that if you were to pursue an ethnic cleansing campaign, typically what you don't do is tell all the civilians to get the hell out of the way while you bomb military targets. Israel has overwhelming air superiority if Israel wanted to. Cause right now, hundreds of thousands of deaths in the Gaza Strip, it has the military capacity to do so. Israel is not doing that because they don't wanna do that. It doesn't matter. Cory Bush is a terrible human being. Babies dead, pregnant women, dead elderly, dead generations of families dead. Millions of people in Gaza with nowhere to go being slaughtered. Whoa. Millions of people being slaughtered. Can you read a can? Honest to God, such a liar. She's such a terrible person and a liar. The US must stop funding these atrocities against Palestinians. Again, the moral equivocation. It's amazing. It's unbelievable. And then Cory Bush, she was hit with the fact that she doesn't give a crap about Jews who are murdered by by Hamas. And so she lies. She put out a tweet saying, this month, I co-sponsored a resolution condemning kamas for hostage taking and urging their immediate release. We must ensure the safe return of hostages and the protection of Palestinian and Israeli civilians. That is a lie. Her resolution did not condemn Kamas at all. It did not call for the release of the hostages. She voted against the house resolution condemning Hamas. So she's just a liar. She's a liar. By the way, this is, this is a, a fundamental truth that I think has been under, under noticed by a huge percentage of the Western population for a very long time. For hardcore radical left wingers, for radical islamists, for fundamentalists of many stripes. It turns out the truth is not even a secondary priority. It's not even a tertiary priority. Truth does not matter at all. The means are completely justified by the ends. Lying is completely fine, so long as you get what you want. Truth is of no value, of no value to so many people on the hard left Cory Bush as being one case in point AOC is another AOC is a dis despicable human being. She tweeted yesterday. So APAC tweeted against Rashida tb, Ilhan Omar, Jamal Bowman, summer Lee. These are all people who voted against a resolution supporting Israel against Kamas. AOC then tweeted APAC endorsed scores of January 6th Insurrectionists. They are no friend to American democracy. That is, that's insane. I'm sorry. That's insane. APAC is run almost entirely by former democratic staffers. The top echelons of apac. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee is run by people who are left wing politically. It's been a serious issue of content between me personally and apac. By the way, she says they're one of the most racist and bigoted pacs in Congress as well. Disproportionately targeting members of color know they literally just target people who are anti-Israel that is lit. It's in the name American Israel Public Affairs Committee. That's literally in the name of their organization. And if those members happen to be disproportionately people of color, well, why the hell does APAC have anything to do with that? And then she says, she says it's about apac. I, I've yet to see her use this sort of extreme language with regard to honest to God terror groups. Quote, they're an extremist organization that destabilizes us democracy like Al-Qaeda, an extremist organ apac, an extremist organization that destabilizes us democracy. That is Abso AOC, Ugh, God. Is it dishonesty or stupidity or both? Now, for a long time, I've let her get away with the stupidity card. She's dishonest antisemite, and she's a terrible person because at a certain point, I can't give you the benefit of the doubt that you're just a moron anymore. Or at least if you are a moron, I'm not gonna let you use it as cover for the fact that clearly you are on the side of the Hamas next clearly and obviously, and anybody who's, who's gonna pretend this away because AOC can do dances on Instagram, is, is truly an idiot. A fellow traveler idiot in the media. Were also playing up protests against Anthony Blinken. Yesterday, Anthony Blinken, the Secretary of State, was testifying before Congress. And here's what he had to say about what he had seen Kamas do. A family of four, a young boy and girl, six and eight years old, and their parents around the breakfast table, the father, his eye gouged out in front of his kids. The mother's breast cutoff, the foot amputated, the boys' fingers cut off before they were executed, and then their executioners sat down and had a meal. That's what this society is dealing with. And no nation could tolerate that. And as we've said repeatedly, as President Biden has repeatedly made clear, Israel has not only the right but the obligation to Defend itself and to try to take every possible step to make sure this doesn't happen again. So he's testifying about that, and he iss completely correct what the media focus on. They didn't focus on what Blinken actually had to say. What they focused on is protestors disrupting blinken. Now again, these protestors are garbage human beings and morons, what they're doing is they, they sat in the back of the room holding up their hands stained red with ink to suggest that Tony Blinken has blood on his hands. Now, they wouldn't do this with regard to Kamas. And I just will point out here an odd and disturbing parallel here are all these people holding up the red hands to show that America has blood on its hands or whatever the hell that is. But here, here's a little bit of the video. Collins Distinguished members of the Appropriations Committee, thank you for this opportunity to testify before you today. Punishment recommendations, sir, populating areas. Stop supporting the genocide for people of Gaza Player. Now save the children of Gaza. Save the children of Gaza, Not in the face of an intensifying strategic competition. Gaza in the Indo-Pacific and around the world Permanently unemployable idiots at best, evil genocidal anti-Semites, at worst, it's despicable people. Anyway, there is an odd echo, odd historical echo here. You know the people holding up their red hands to the camera. Last time I saw hands that red, it's when they weren You know actual members of the Palestinian authority holding up their red hands after having butchered Israeli soldier who mistakenly drove into Ramallah. I mean, it, it's, it's hard not to see that particular picture that that picture was, was pretty famous back in the day. By the way, this administration is now talking about giving the Palestinian authority control over the Gaza Strip, which is the Palestinian author literally paying the families of the terrorists who murdered people in the Gaza envelope. So that would just be kind of changing one horse for the same horse of a slightly different color. That's what the Biden administration is now talking about. Now the question is, will the Biden administration go weak need on all of this? Because of all of the press coverage and because of the supposed internal descent, despite the fact that, again, that polling data in the United States suggest broad and wide support for Israel in this conflict. I talk about PreBorn a lot on this show. I believe in their mission. I know you do too. Who wouldn't wanna help? Moms and their kids in crisis. PreBorn is the largest provider of free ultrasounds in the United States. 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Kareem Jean Pierre is from the Cory Bush wing of the Democratic Party. Here she was, she was asked if anti-Israel protestors are extremists, You know the people chanting from the river to the sea, meaning like the extermination of Israel. And she's like, I don't know. I dunno. It, it is amazing how quiet she goes when it comes to left wing anti-Semitic protestors when it comes to morons in khaki pans marching in Charlottesville. That is the spur for an entire presidential campaign. But when it comes to hundreds of thousands of students around the world marching in coordination with Hamas slogans, then she's like, I don't know if they're extreme. Can we say that? So I don't know. Here she was having a tough time. Does President Biden think the anti-Israel protestors in this country are extremists? What I can say is what we've been very clear about this when it comes to antisemitism, there is no place. We have to make sure that we speak against it very loud and be, and be very clear about that. Remember what the President decided to, when the president decided to run for president, is what he saw in Charlottesville in 2017 when we, he saw neo-Nazis marching down the streets of Charlottesville with vile, antisemitic, just hatred. and he was very clear then, and he's very clear now. He's taken an actions against this over the past two years. And he's continued to be clear, there is no place, no place for this type of vile and despite, despite this, this kind of rhetoric. Okay, well, I'm, I'm glad that you brought Charlottesville. I mean, how about campus radicals pulling down posters are extremists, how about people who are chanting from the river to see are extremists? No. Well, she did have some words about Islamophobia. Now I swear the, the, the, the White House's attempts to equate what's going on with antisemitism in this country with Islamophobia are totally, they're, they're insane. They're, they're completely mad. Like these are two completely separate phenomena. The attempt to link the two of them is once again, to create a moral equivalence in a cycle of violence Rhetoric. The idea being that if you're pro-Israel, you must be Islamophobic. Well, whereas if you are a pro-Palestinian, well, you're not anti-Semitic, even if you're chanting things like from the river to the sea here she was talking about the rise of Islam, supposed Islamophobia. What is your message to this group of Americans and what efforts have you made at outreach to this group specifically? So a couple of things. Look, what I can say is this, the president knows that Muslims and those perceived to be Muslim have endured a disproportionate number, certainly of hate fueled attacks, right? As we talk about what we're seeing here. And so he also understands that many of our Muslim Arab-American and Palestinian American loved ones and neighbors are worried about the hate being directed at their communities. And so leaders at every level of this administration will continue. We're gonna continue to engage, engaging with the Muslim community, the Arab-American community and Palestinian American leaders to hear their concerns, right? And also to hear their feedback on how best certainly to come back, the discrimination, the hate and discrimination that they're seeing as well. Again, the Norm McDonald tweet just coming to life right here, by the way, I feel like I should just show you what the actual anti-Semitism versus Islamophobic stats look like in terms of, of reported hate crimes and such. According to the, the Anti-Defamation League, You know, not, not a place that I'm a huge fan of, but they're the best source for measuring this sort of stuff at this time. The ADL has recorded more than 1200 anti-Semitic incidents in the United States through May, 2023. And they have seen a 388% uptick in incidents after Kamas attack on Israel. I just wanna show you the scale. Here is how you can fool people with, with stats. This is what CNN is doing. So in 2013, they weren just under a thousand hate incidents reported against Jews in the United States. In 2022, they weren almost 4,000. And in 2023, it's gonna surpass that. In 2023, it's gonna be higher than that. So you're talking about like a minimum of three 4,000 hate crimes against Jews. Now you move over to Islam, linked hate crimes, Islam linked hate crimes. This is how you lie with stats is by, by looking at the scale, okay? In 2000, almost zero, in 2001, when this is supposedly massive Islamophobia outbreak, we're all going, oh my God, it's just like 500. Okay? At no point did this even approach remotely what Jews go through in this country in terms of anti-Semitic hate incidents, largely from radical Muslims, by the way. And then that number stays well under 200 all the way up till 2014, it jumps to maybe 300 in 2016, it's still under 200. And so we're supposed to believe that according to the ADL, the Jews who are experiencing literally 20 times the number of hate crimes that the, that Muslims are, are experiencing in the United States. I should point out here that there are about 3.45 million Muslims living in the United States. There are about 6 million Jews living in the United States somewhere, thereabouts. So again, these are very small numbers in terms of the general American population, the on a per capita basis, Jews are way more likely to be targeted. But of course, whenever there is something that targets Israel and Jews, we have to mention Islamophobia because the idea is that these are morally equivalent and it's just a cycle of violence. And the Jews are the ones who are doing the Islam, whatever, whatever the stupidity here is. Meanwhile, John Kirby, the national security spokesperson, he was asked whether they were classifying people as domestic terrorists for making violent anti-Semitic threats. Given the fact that You know this administration focused in like, on like homeschooling moms who didn't like public school boards here. Was Kirby People In this country making violent anti-Semitic threats? Are they domestic terrorists? I I don't know that we're classifying people as domestic terrorists for that. I mean, I that's really a question better left to law enforcement. I'm, I'm not aware that there's been such a, a, a characterization of that. Okay, so is that wavering kind of meanwhile, Alejandro Mayorkas is not firing apparently a pro Hamas member of his, of his staff. And there's Department of Homeland security officer who had criticized Israel. This person is Nua Ali, a Palestinian DHS employee. She made several posts referring to Israel as an apartheid occupation and calling for Palestinian freedom at the expense of an Israeli downfall. And she tweet hashtag free Palestine. She's currently on administrative leave. Josh Halle, Senator from Missouri sent a letter to Mayorkas calling for her termination. And Mayorca suggested that he might not fire her. He here is Halle versus Mayorca. Is this typical of, of people who work at DHS, this is an asylum and immigration officer who is posting these frankly pro genocidal slogans and images on the day that Israelis are being slaughtered in their beds. What have you done about this? Four things I'd like to say to you. Number one, your question to suggest that that is emblematic of the men and women of the Department of Homeland Security is despicable. I'm sorry, what have you, this person works for the Department of Homeland Security. Have you fired her? That was one of four answers. Have You fired her? One? Have you fired her? Don't come to this hearing room when Israel has been invaded. And Jewish students are barricaded in libraries in this country and cannot be escorted out because they are threatened for their lives. You have employees who are celebrating genocide and you are saying, it's despicable for me to an ask the question, has she been fired? And the answer is she's put on mystery believe, but not fired. But not fired. That, that is the answer right there. So in terms of whether the west is caving, whether Joe Biden is going to cave because of the ongoing pressure from the media and from the far left of his flank. So again, some mixed signals. Joe Biden and Tony Blinken, they're pushing seriously for a lot of aid for Gaza. Now, here's the problem with that particular push, and that particular push is quite dangerous given the fact that if you provide gas supplies into Gaza, Hamas takes all of it, like immediately, who is actually administering all of that and blink in the State Department. They still have yet to actually explain who's going to actually hand out that stuff and make sure that civilians get it. They keep saying things like, oh, we'll make sure. And then they say, well, what, what if Kamas takes it like, well then we'll be very angry. Say, well, that, that's not an answer. So the, the focus right now on putting aid into, into Gaza as opposed to what really should happen, which is temporary camps are set up in the Egyptian desert that are administered by the Egyptians. 'cause at least the Egyptians aren't terrorists. So that the, the AIDS does not end up going to Kamasa. That would be the actual solution. But Egypt has not been particularly forthcoming on that particular matter. The focus on on aid as, as sort of the, the be all end all of the American effort makes very little sense in terms of Gazen civilian aid. Again, dual purpose has been the entire problem throughout this entire conflict. Meanwhile, there's a conflict that's breaking out in the US Congress over how to provide Israel with aid. So on the one hand, you have the Republicans in Congress who are kind of sketchy when it comes to Ukraine aid. They're not in love with the idea of Ukraine aid, with not an enormous amounts of oversight. They're skeptical of what the end of that conflict is going to look like or whether additional military aid is going to allow the Ukrainians to break through Russian lines and say the Donbass and Crimea, given the fact that it's extraordinary resources of important into the country. We know a lot of the money is, is going to corrupt purposes. We also know a lot of it is going to fight the Russians. And so there are a lot more questions about what's going on in Ukraine after a year and a half of spending tens of billions of dollars in Ukraine than with regard to Israel, which has a very long historic relationship with the United States in terms of military aid and extraordinarily transparent process with the US Department of Defense. So the Republicans have in the house have proposed separating off that aid. They're pushing an Israel only aid bill according to NPR. According to NPR. On the same day house speaker Mike Johnson took office last week, the Republican-led house passed a resolution declaring solidarity with Israel and pledging it to give government to give its government the ability to defeat Hamas. Now they're introducing a bill aimed to do just that. But now without controversy, because the bill would send $14.3 billion to Israel without addressing any funding requests for the war, Ukraine, Biden wants to use the popularity among Republicans of support for Israel in order to get them to give a bunch more money to Ukraine. Mike Johnson is saying, let's just give the money to Israel. What, what exactly does, does Israel have to do with Ukraine? He's going to fund that by cutting the IRS. So is that a good bill yet to bill? I would certainly vote for, I'm, I'm very much in favor of that bill. I think the IRS should be cut. I think the IRS is a terrible organization and I think the money is necessary right now in the middle of a war. So I'm, I'm very much in favor of Mike Johnson's version of the bill. Here was Mike Johnson explaining that This Israel aid package, standalone Israel aid, the reporting is that there will be a vote hopefully Thursday. Is that the timeline you're looking At that, that I'm hoping Thursday. And it looked like 14.5 billion is the number that you're looking at. And you suggest that maybe you'll Get a bipartisan vote here. I sure hope so. Do you have any sense of the number of Democrats who you think might come? I Hope that it's most or all of them. I mean, there's a few people who have philosophical differences on that and we'll have some intense debates about their opposition to that. But look, this is a matter of good versus evil. How's it going to be paid for? We're gonna be releasing that here shortly. But we, we, my intention and my desire in the first draft of this bill is to take some of the money that has been set aside for the IR building and bulking up the IRS right now. They have about $67 billion in that fund. And we'll, we'll try to take the 14.5 necessary for this immediate and urgent need. We'll deal with the rest of that issue later. So Biden World is very angry about this. They want links between the Ukraine aid and the Israel aid. According to Politico, the Biden administration and Ukraine Hawks in both parties are trying to break a wall of conservative resistance on Capitol Hill with a determined blitz to pass funding for the war in Ukraine and aid to Israel in an unusual bipartisan offense on Capitol Hill, secretary of State, Anthony Blinken and defense Secretary Lloyd Austin on Tuesday publicly defended the administration's $106 billion request. Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell warned in a speech, the threats to Israel and Ukraine are serious and inter intertwined. And later said conceptually, he and Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer are aligned. Now, it is true that Russia is backing both Iran and its proxies in this war as well as Ukraine. Russia is a nefarious force on the world stage. They've demonstrated that over and over again. I will never understand some on the right who continue to militate in favor of the Russian government led by a dictatorial assassin in Vladimir Putin. It's astonishing to me. You can point out all the problems of Ukraine, including their corruption, including longstanding antisemitism in Ukraine, and also say that Vladimir Putin is one of the worst people walking the planet right now, and has been involved in legitimately every major conflict apparently of the last several years from Africa to the Middle East in the worst possible way using the Wagner Group in Africa, using the Syrians in the Middle East backing Bashar Asad like Lair. Putin is a nefarious force in the world without question. And so curbing his military abilities on all fronts is a good strategy. It's the reason why I've, in the past, supported AIDS Ukraine, not because I love the government of Ukraine, but because I don't believe that Russia should be taking over a sovereign state, and not only that the Russian military should be weakened, I'm very much in favor of spending American dollars to weaken the Russian military 'cause the Russian military is using its assets in order to destabilize governments all over the globe, endangering security of America's allies and indirectly America's economy and our national security as well. So there's a case to be made. However, if you don't have the support in Congress, then you do have to separate them off. I think the backup position, by the way, for Mike Johnson is gonna be to put forward a bill that does not take the money from the IRS, but does separate off Ukraine and Israel. That's actually smart politics because again, it makes the Senate now vote up or down on Israel aid alone, and that will tell a pretty big story. If the Senate refuses to just give a go ahead to a past bill with Israel aid because they want it connected with Ukraine. What they're really saying is that the Israel aid isn't important enough on its own to just pass. So that'd be a good political strategy there. Here's Chuck Schumer ripping into that strategy. The best, most efficient and fastest way to help is through bipartisanship. In fact, it's the only way, and that's why I was so deeply disappointed by Speaker Johnson's first major legislative action, a purely partisan action. House Republicans released a partisan and woefully inadequate package with no aid to Ukraine, no humanitarian assistance for Gaza, no funding for Indo-Pacific and poison pills that help wealthy tax cheat avoid paying their fair share. Okay, so they're calling that a poison pill. So I guess that Johnson's backup step will be, okay, what if I remove the poison pill? I just move the Israel aid. That's a good strategy by Johnson because again, he has a fractious caucus. A lot of his caucus doesn't want additional Ukraine aid. Johnson himself has voted against additional Ukraine aid a few different times. So it'll be interesting to see there's there's more, and I think the end outcome is gonna be the same, meaning Israel will end up getting the military aid because there is extraordinary support in both House of Congress and from the White House for the military aid. But it'll be interesting to see strategically how Johnson approaches that and what sort of ability he's going to have carving off what he perceives to be bad bills from good bills. All guys, the rest of the show is continuing right now. We'll be jumping into the mailbag. If you're not a member, become member Use Coach Shapiro checkout for two months free on all annual plans. Click that link in the description and join us.

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american news medium american news medium rarely cover glory cover foreign policy new york times famously cover stalin latimer starvation million citizen ukraine deploy corrupt venal walter durante cover evil dictator new york times largely backpage holocaust world evil regime routinely rely america medium provide cover today different hamas evil genocidal terrorist group receive widespread sympathy medium create sympathy variety method obviously draw moral equivalence hama target civilian death israeli israel seek avoid kill civilian target member hamas example wolf blitzer question idf commander yesterday israel hit hamas command tunnel network jambalaya major city gaza strip characterize medium refugee camp here blitzer hamas commander amidst palestinian refugee jabal refugee camp israel go ahead drop bomb attempt kill hamas kamas hamas commander know lot innocent civilian man woman child presumably kill m hear state s hear wolf focus commander ll datum man kill israelis know lot refugee lot innocent civilian man woman child refugee camp right tragedy werewolf mean know ve say day south civilian involve hamas south m try little bit information know weren civilian know weren refugee sort refugee decide drop bomb refugee camp attempt kill hamas commander s blitzer repeatedly blame israel fact hamas deliberately hide beneath civilian area call israel effectively preemptively surrender order avoid civilian casualty truly civilian sensor massive tunnel crater simply not ground actually collapse bomb hit crater dead fighter accord wolf blitzer cnn israel legitimate military action apparently morally equivalent hamas slaughter baby crib course follow hard new york times accept word hamas military strike casualty result major blood libel entire legacy medium parrot israel strike hospital kill people reality misfire palestinian islamic jihad rocket hit parking lot near hospital late damage work medium way medium undermine case favor morality stand world bad people 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device kill million americans imagine backlash peaceful muslims mcdonald joke actually medias strategy moral equivalent antisemitism rise globe million radical muslim include west march favor hamas medium treat muslim world victim group new york times run oped today midst wide global increase antisemitism lifetime decry suppose rise islamophobia author rosina ali quote journalist cover war islamophobia middle east article explain quote experience wave harassment government surveillance year september president pledge unwavere support israel set alarm bell yes accord new york times columnist support israel cover islamophobia insist quote college campus place work people face retribution express support palestinians misconstrue antiisrael pro hama lie give protest israel begin israeli counterstrike protest routinely feature chance destruction state israel exactly hide message israel twitter feed show october date hamas massacre not tweet retweet post complain israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu tell civilian leave potential war zone anticipation military action fact ali post precisely zero time toran kamasis brutality find time retweet post call israel action gaza genocide finally s media strategy pretend antisemitism not major problem actually effect political contentiousness mean end spring cycle violence mean end spring israeli policy mean end come jews medium business downplay muslim leave wing antisemitism treat mere opposition israeli policy policy case know israel survive ruse today example come courtesy new york times proisis israel proje activist nation put poster man woman child kidnap hamas antisemite rip poster here video yesterday rip poster innocent civilian israel israel israel not poster yeah s right say f f israel rip poster happen country dozen dozen case single day people go rip poster kidnap child hate jews mean s s happen here here example huh d tear flyer oh look close propaganda weren kidnap tear okay ahead d like yeah like sorry literally feel like s acceptable people kidnap like crumble excuse flyer like s crumble rip think acceptable people kidnap know guy israeli s thai yeah s great great think acceptable tear miss poster kidnapped people people supposedly propalestinian pro kama make difficult case rip poster people kidnap hamas way point zero propalestinian protest supposedly pro hama call hama surrender zero not find s pretty clear evidence widespread antisemitism accord new york times here new york times report quote display poster form activism keep hostage seize hama view public remove poster quickly emerge form protest release valve provocation anguish israeli government mistreatment palestinians year october bombing gaza begin ah strategy strategy strategy pretend antisemitism not exist strategy moral equivalent obviously israel target terrorist accidentally hit civilian kamas kidnap small baby keep tunnel new york times quote battle inflame tense emotion capture fervently debate question war s suffer command public attention sympathy fact motivation remove sign take variety form unnerving removal poster jews supporter israel people tear poster jewish s new york times downplay people literally rip poster kidnap baby pretend form protest equivalent way new york times rip people destroy life post black life matter square obligatory lawn sign say black life matter here daily dot play exact game quote wonder poster strategically place entrap tear support palestinian people yes poster short skirt s tear pesky jews poster sympathy kidnap victim hold genocidal terror group entrapment real bad guy jews antisemitism not real jews cause put piece paper face baby kidnap evil terrorist group likely die tunnel see birthday s jews fault guy antisemitism rip stuff cause jews provocative need stop jews mean breathing thing annoying hamas ally rely utterly legacy medium america europe cover provide political pressure politician cut support israel midst war hama s precisely hamas plant civilian harm way maximize casualty camera blame israel hamas medium play media responsibility current conflict massive medium consistently repeatedly pretend hamas terror legitimate military response incentivize terror camera medium repeatedly consistently suggest israel hit civilian attempt kill terrorist equivalent hamas incentivize create incentive hama civilian kill possible hamas admit stuff camera medium ignore pretend not exist medium play pretty bad regime planet ask answer legacy media salt member international left dedicate proposition west israel include fatally flawed colonialist college radical suppose ignore go to grow go to pay taxis job grow go journalism media outlet hire local partisan activist freelance include hitler supporter antisemite cover gaza strip medium outlet mission restoration justice universe justice course mean destruction west power supposedly oppress earth legacy medium way west fall disarray far succeed admirably second let talk sleep quality poor 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people call area gaza strip refugee camp people go import haifa giant building quote unquote refugee camp see actually city call em refugee camp way weaponize future state israel s goal israel strike bunch tunnel complex ve kill enormous number member hamas leadership penetrate deep gaza strip particularly northern portion gaza strip s create desperation hamas see attempt go release passport holder american passport holder hold hamas gaza strip allow leave rafa crossing apparently hamas think maybe allow happen try create sort sentiment bad mean release people dual passport ll hama future week assume dual passport holder hostage currently hold attempt buy america example people dual nationality israeli american nationality release people attempt buy americans course sickness nazi type selection right passport right live wrong passport left die tunnel evil evil monster hamas rely international community stop israel finish s rely right ground israel fact win see ancillary group like houthis suddenly decide right group run hamas yesterday yemen houthis rebel enter war israel launch drone missile south country early today stuff shoot houthis iranian axis resistance note point iranian houthis state department label terrorist group trump administration move biden administration remove houthis terrorist despite charming slogan death jews death america ve decide go enter war projective power seriously impact israel answer israel send naval asset region shoot houthis decide fire essentially iran try threaten border lose important piece pie right iran proxy proxy act offensive military mechanism iran actual projective capacity country destroy israel outright instead use proxy group like kamas like hezbollah hezbollah far stay reason hezbollah get scale theory entire conflict generate iran order stave saudi peace process think everybody understand geopolitic understand s happen right reason process work amazingly abraham accord hold ali alimi s head foreign affair defense committee uae parliament say quote uae perspective abraham accord stay want acknowledge accept israel exist s strong statement okay iranians afraid box afraid saudi egyptian jordanian uae alliance effectively create massive counterbalance box middle east iranians strike hamas guess not think hamas go succeed terror attack far probably believe israels wall go hold time people try breach wall probably figure attack terrorist pretty kill end kill couple israeli civilian kidnap create israeli military respond world actually okay allow israel sort thing drive saudi ball term create peace deal israelis probably original intent turn kamas succeed wildest imagining end kill people inside israel kidnap people pro videoe not not help hate jews iran think feel little bit like dog catch car hamas take board hamas night chess board hamas completely destroy eviscerate thing want probably hezbollah significantly powerful piece board single rook not want take israelis instead sort prod edge result success israel military activity right egypt say go gaza strip fact way indicator dangerous egypt perceive people gaza strip country term supportive al hamas s egypt perspective israel egypt mustafa mabu s countrys prime minister say quote prepared sacrifice million life ensure encroache territory say egypt allow impose solution settlement regional issue expense current situation middle east way literally way hamas win survive help media push west political leader position weakness goal want ill explain second run small business need plan ahead good way stampscom mailing shipping need stampscom let print postage shipping libel right home office space incredibly convenient shipping libel ready minute run business soon not waste time daily wire ve stampscom office management staff love stampscom not spend hour post office anymore daily wire stampscom year save time save money make efficient stampscom offer rate not find like usp up plus ll automatically tell cheap fast shipping option 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vote nate silver point s change overall biden approval rating seven biden policy popular part democrat unpopular swing voter matter americans pretty supportive israel happen true medium create pressure particularly pro kamas member medium create pressure biden essentially suggest lose election s supportive israel amazing statement consider united states support israel kamas like prospect term polling datum naturally john zogby member propalestinian caucus commission arab american institute poll arab americans joe biden angry show support current president election poll survey arab americans country include battleground state third verb americans negative view president biden response current violence palestine israel ready vote biden candidate lose support majority claim prefer democratic party democrats outnumber republicans poll arab americans identify republican compare identify democrats arab americans report experience discrimination arab americans age report face discrimination let point point poll suggest people go swivel vote proisis israel president history united states donald trump s likely republican nominee ron desantis proisis israel donald trump gin order pressure biden abandon israel see medium article politico suggest aide kamala harriss presidential campaign collect signature letter urge vice president quote seek immediate ceasefire israel hamas call israel gaza campaign genocide draft letter obtain political amount attempt dial pressure biden administration familiar face encourage vice president support ceasefire resolution introduce representative co bush draft letter say mourn tragic loss israeli life target hamas firmly unequivocally reject israeli government exploitation death exploitation death s israel exploit death rid kamas despite fact literally surrender entire gaza strip kamas leave control year year kamas fire rocket exploit tragedy order expend israeli blood treasure go area wish see like amazing stuff goal generate dissent inside democratic party thing wall street journal molly ball s leftwe reporter left tear apart israel left israel hamas war spur feel like permanent rupture previously sublimate difference impossible ignore choose side proisrael propalestinian advocate describe feeling disillusionment relationship fracture harsh word exchange result predict breach split democrats generation untold political consequence feeling mutual talk jews feel like know black life matter co bush aoc suddenly pro hama feeling mutual activist left president biden democratic office holder blindly side right align israeli government way right align israeli unity government benny s government benny gonz right s literally coalition oppose netanyahu not matter medium not know hell talk usual arrangement arab american muslim american palestinian feel like not matter feel invisible say lead shahid progressive strategist spokesman justice democrats course aocs brand party goal member medium prop pro kamas wing democratic party create groundswell dissent inside democratic party cause joe biden turn away far pretty solid support israel course effectively aoc wing s aoc win party co bush wing party cory bush s terrible human blm congresswoman tweet yesterday s direct tweet quote not silence israel ethnic cleansing campaign ethnic cleansing ethnic cleansing weird cause know assume ethnic cleansing involve ethnic cleansing population multiplication million arab know million terrible job ethnic cleansing israel assume pursue ethnic cleansing campaign typically not tell civilian hell way bomb military target israel overwhelming air superiority israel want cause right hundred thousand death gaza strip military capacity israel not wanna not matter cory bush terrible human baby dead pregnant woman dead elderly dead generation family dead million people gaza slaughter whoa million people slaughter read honest god liar s terrible person liar stop fund atrocity palestinians moral equivocation amazing unbelievable cory bush hit fact not crap jews murder hama lie tweet say month cosponsor resolution condemn kamas hostage taking urge immediate release ensure safe return hostage protection palestinian israeli civilian lie resolution condemn kamas release hostage vote house resolution condemn hamas s liar s liar way fundamental truth think notice huge percentage western population long time hardcore radical left winger radical islamist fundamentalist stripe turn truth secondary priority tertiary priority truth matter mean completely justify end lie completely fine long want truth value value people hard left cory bush case point aoc aoc dis despicable human tweet yesterday apac tweet rashida tb ilhan omar jamal bowman summer lee people vote resolution support israel kamas aoc tweet apac endorse score january insurrectionist friend american democracy s insane m sorry s insane apac run entirely democratic staffer echelon apac american israel public affairs committee run people leave wing politically issue content personally apac way say racist bigote pac congress disproportionately target member color know literally target people antiisrael light american israel public affairs committee s literally organization member happen disproportionately people color hell apac say say apac ve use sort extreme language regard honest god terror group quote extremist organization destabilize democracy like alqaeda extremist organ apac extremist organization destabilize democracy abso aoc ugh god dishonesty stupidity long time ve let away stupidity card s dishonest antisemite s terrible person certain point not benefit doubt moron anymore moron m go to let use cover fact clearly hamas clearly obviously anybody s s go to pretend away aoc dance instagram truly idiot fellow traveler idiot medium play protest anthony blinken yesterday anthony blinken secretary state testify congress here see kamas family young boy girl year old parent breakfast table father eye gouge kid mother breast cutoff foot amputate boy finger cut execute executioner sit meal s society deal nation tolerate ve say repeatedly president biden repeatedly clear israel right obligation defend try possible step sure not happen s testify iss completely correct medium focus not focus blinken actually focus protestor disrupt blinken protestor garbage human being moron sit room hold hand stain red ink suggest tony blinken blood hand not regard kamas point odd disturbing parallel people hold red hand america blood hand hell here little bit video collin distinguish member appropriation committee thank opportunity testify today punishment recommendation sir populating area stop support genocide people gaza player save child gaza save child gaza face intensify strategic competition gaza indopacific world permanently unemployable idiot good evil genocidal antisemite bad despicable people odd echo odd historical echo know people hold red hand camera time see hand red weren know actual member palestinian authority hold red hand having butcher israeli soldier mistakenly drive ramallah mean hard particular picture picture pretty famous day way administration talk give palestinian authority control gaza strip palestinian author literally pay family terrorist murder people gaza envelope kind change horse horse slightly different color s biden administration talk question biden administration weak need press coverage suppose internal descent despite fact polling datum united states suggest broad wide support israel conflict talk preborn lot believe mission know not wanna help mom kid crisis preborn large provider free ultrasound united states connect woman consider abortion offer free ultrasound hear child heartbeat divine connection prove double probability mom choose carry child term day pre born network clinic save baby life not stop offer mom maternity clothe doctor visit support need raise child give birth incredible organization proud stand support preborn right gift buck cover cost free ultrasound save life unborn child important thing go today donate dial pound keyword baby s pound baby donate securely preborn dot com slash ben s preborn dot com slash ben check right preborn dot com slash ben start save life take preborn dot com slash ben faith mora andrew klabans talented daughter write new rendition age old christmas classic christmas karol okay modern twist story ebenezer scrooge female protagonist world boss babe champion expense family faith make case have matter far well have christmas karol available preorder order amazon book today big question biden administration continue spine open question not know answer m sure know answer point see mixed signal bas tony blinken far pretty good start white house press secretary proisis israel activist way shape form kareem jean pierre cory bush wing democratic party ask antiisrael protestor extremist know people chant river sea meaning like extermination israel s like not know dunno amazing quiet go come left wing antisemitic protestor come moron khaki pan march charlottesville spur entire presidential campaign come hundred thousand student world marching coordination hamas slogan s like not know extreme not know have tough time president biden think antiisrael protestor country extremist ve clear come antisemitism place sure speak loud clear remember president decide president decide run president see charlottesville see neonazi march street charlottesville vile antisemitic hatred clear s clear s take action past year s continue clear place place type vile despite despite kind rhetoric okay m m glad bring charlottesville mean campus radical pull poster extremist people chant river extremist word islamophobia swear white house attempt equate s go antisemitism country islamophobia totally insane completely mad like completely separate phenomenon attempt link create moral equivalence cycle violence rhetoric idea proisrael islamophobic propalestinian antisemitic chant thing like river sea talk rise islam suppose islamophobia message group americans effort outreach group specifically couple thing look president know muslim perceive muslim endure disproportionate number certainly hate fuel attack right talk see understand muslim arabamerican palestinian american love one neighbor worried hate direct community leader level administration continue go to continue engage engage muslim community arabamerican community palestinian american leader hear concern right hear feedback well certainly come discrimination hate discrimination see norm mcdonald tweet come life right way feel like actual antisemitism versus islamophobic stat look like term report hate crime accord antidefamation league know place m huge fan good source measure sort stuff time adl record antisemitic incident united states see uptick incident kamas attack israel wanna scale fool people stat cnn weren thousand hate incident report jews united states weren go to surpass go to high talk like minimum hate crime jews islam link hate crime islam link hate crime lie stat look scale okay zero supposedly massive islamophobia outbreak go oh god like okay point approach remotely jews country term antisemitic hate incident largely radical muslim way number stay way till jump maybe suppose believe accord adl jews experience literally time number hate crime muslim experience united states point million muslim live united states million jews live united states thereabout small number term general american population capita basis jews way likely target course target israel jews mention islamophobia idea morally equivalent cycle violence jews one islam stupidity john kirby national security spokesperson ask classify people domestic terrorist make violent antisemitic threat give fact know administration focus like like homeschooling mom not like public school board kirby people country make violent antisemitic threat domestic terrorist not know classify people domestic terrorist mean s question well leave law enforcement m m aware s characterization okay waver kind alejandro mayorkas fire apparently pro hamas member staff s department homeland security officer criticize israel person nua ali palestinian dhs employee post refer israel apartheid occupation call palestinian freedom expense israeli downfall tweet hashtag free palestine s currently administrative leave josh halle senator missouri send letter mayorkas call termination mayorca suggest fire halle versus mayorca typical people work dhs asylum immigration officer post frankly pro genocidal slogan image day israelis slaughter bed thing d like number question suggest emblematic man woman department homeland security despicable m sorry person work department homeland security fire answer fire fire not come hearing room israel invade jewish student barricade library country escort threaten life employee celebrate genocide say despicable ask question fire answer s mystery believe fire fire answer right term west cave joe biden go cave ongoing pressure medium far left flank mixed signal joe biden tony blinken push seriously lot aid gaza here problem particular push particular push dangerous give fact provide gas supply gaza hamas take like immediately actually administer blink state department actually explain s go actually hand stuff sure civilian say thing like oh sure kamas take like angry s answer focus right put aid gaza oppose happen temporary camp set egyptian desert administer egyptians cause egyptians not terrorist aids end go kamasa actual solution egypt particularly forthcoming particular matter focus aid sort end american effort make little sense term gazen civilian aid dual purpose entire problem entire conflict s conflict s break congress provide israel aid hand republicans congress kind sketchy come ukraine aid love idea ukraine aid enormous amount oversight skeptical end conflict go look like additional military aid go allow ukrainian break russian line donbass crimea give fact extraordinary resource important country know lot money go corrupt purpose know lot go fight russians lot question s go ukraine year half spend ten billion dollar ukraine regard israel long historic relationship united states term military aid extraordinarily transparent process department defense republicans house propose separate aid push israel aid bill accord npr accord npr day house speaker mike johnson take office week republicanle house pass resolution declare solidarity israel pledge government government ability defeat hamas introduce bill aim controversy bill send billion israel address funding request war ukraine biden want use popularity republican support israel order bunch money ukraine mike johnson say let money israel exactly israel ukraine s go fund cut irs good bill bill certainly vote m m favor bill think irs cut think irs terrible organization think money necessary right middle war m m favor mike johnsons version bill mike johnson explain israel aid package standalone israel aid reporting vote hopefully thursday timeline look m hope thursday look like billion number look suggest maybe ll bipartisan vote sure hope sense number democrat think come hope mean s people philosophical difference intense debate opposition look matter good versus evil s go pay go to release shortly intention desire draft bill money set aside ir building bulk irs right billion fund try necessary immediate urgent need deal rest issue later biden world angry want link ukraine aid israel aid accord politico biden administration ukraine hawk party try break wall conservative resistance capitol hill determined blitz pass funding war ukraine aid israel unusual bipartisan offense capitol hill secretary state anthony blinken defense secretary lloyd austin tuesday publicly defend administration billion request senate gop leader mitch mcconnell warn speech threat israel ukraine inter intertwine later say conceptually senate majority leader chuck schumer align true russia back iran proxy war ukraine russia nefarious force world stage ve demonstrate understand right continue militate favor russian government lead dictatorial assassin vladimir putin astonishing point problem ukraine include corruption include longstanding antisemitism ukraine vladimir putin bad people walk planet right involve legitimately major conflict apparently year africa middle east bad possible way wagner group africa syrian middle east backing bashar asad like lair putin nefarious force world question curb military ability front good strategy reason ve past support aid ukraine love government ukraine not believe russia take sovereign state russian military weaken m favor spend american dollar weaken russian military cause russian military asset order destabilize government globe endanger security america ally indirectly america economy national security s case not support congress separate think backup position way mike johnson go to forward bill money irs separate ukraine israel s actually smart politic make senate vote israel aid tell pretty big story senate refuse ahead past bill israel aid want connect ukraine say israel aid not important pass d good political strategy here chuck schumer rip strategy well efficient fast way help bipartisanship fact way s deeply disappoint speaker johnson major legislative action purely partisan action house republicans release partisan woefully inadequate package aid ukraine humanitarian assistance gaza funding indopacific poison pill help wealthy tax cheat avoid pay fair share okay call poison pill guess johnson backup step okay remove poison pill israel aid s good strategy johnson fractious caucus lot caucus not want additional ukraine aid johnson vote additional ukraine aid different time ll interesting s s think end outcome go to meaning israel end get military aid extraordinary support house congress white house military aid ll interesting strategically johnson approach sort ability s go carve perceive bad bill good bill guy rest continue right jump mailbag member member use 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Ep. 1814 - The Greatest Scam in Modern America Published: 9/21/2023 Boston University investigates the Ibram X Kendi Antiracist Center. Attorney General Merrick Garland heads to the hill where the GOP Realism and Iran's president goes to the UN to Chide America. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Bench Bureau show. This show is sponsored by Express VPN. It's time to stand up against big tech. Protect your data at ExpressVPN dot com slash Ben. Alrighty folks, so you remember Ibram X Kendi. This guy is a genius. How do I know that? He's a genius. He's such a genius that he actually won a MacArthur Genius Grant in 2021. That was a 625,000 no strings attached fellowship honoring his exceptional creativity, scholarly achievements, gift for communicating his Antiracist work and ideas with diverse audiences and promise for further benefiting society at his Boston University that that gave him this Antiracist grant that that is super inspiring stuff. Now, for those who have not followed the prodigious career of IMAX Kendi, the founder of the BU Center for Antiracist Research, he is the author of a bunch of really not very good books, And, he speaks nonsense for a living. The nonsense that he speaks is all about how America is deeply and irrevocably racist. He wrote most famously a book called Stamp From the beginning, the definitive history of racist ideas in America about how America was literally racist in all of its iterations from the very beginning that is up to and including all of the constitutional protections of the Bill of Rights. He also wrote a book called How to Be An Antiracist And. he now has a podcast called Be An Antiracist. So what exactly does this genius say about racism? Well, he can't really define the term. He just knows that racism exists wherever there is a disparity. The direct quote from him as an Antiracist, when I see racial disparities, I see racism, which is unbelievably stupid, and you might think that it's genius. It's really, really stupid. Let me give you an example of how stupid that is. The vast majority of the N B A is black. That is a massive racial disparity. Only 13% of the American population is black. The vast majority of the N B A players are black. Does this mean that there's been some sort of deep and abiding racism in the N B A to make all of that happen? Conversely, in hockey, virtually all the players are white. Does that mean there's a deep and abiding racism that exists at the root of hockey and that is why there's just not that many black hockey players playing at the N H L level? Of course not. It's incredibly silly. If you see, for example, that 99% of men in, of people in prison for violent crime are men, less than 2% are women. Is that because of some deeply sexist root in society that if we were a non-sex society, 50% of the people going to prison for a violent crime would be women? Presumably the truth is disparities exist across virtually every industry, across virtually every metric in society for all of time. They're tied to everything from geography to environment. The idea that if two groups by race do not stack up identically in any particular area, this is because of systemic and abiding racism is nonsense. It's absolute nonsense. In fact. It's unfalsifiable nonsense because again, literally every arena of life is going to include group disparities, age disparities, height disparities, weight disparities. These disparities exist literally everywhere. But Ibram X Kennedy's entire proposal, which was built up on the back of the B l m movement in 2020, is that he doesn't need to prove that racism is actually at the root of anything. All he has to show is a disparity, which again, is incredibly stupid. It makes his job really easy because I too can point to disparities in every arena of life, but unless I actually prove that the the reason behind the disparity is some sort of evil, I've not proved anything but Kendi because in 2020, we decided as a society that you no longer had to prove that racism was at the root of, for example, crime statistics. Instead, you could just simply claim that it was, and then everyone who said that it wasn't was deemed to be racist. This is the magic of Ken. Ken waved his magic wand and suddenly everybody who was not racist before was racist. He says that colorblindness is racist. If you think that race shouldn't matter, that's because you're a racist. Race does matter, and the way we know race matters is because of disparities and those disparities are evidence of racism. And if you say, well, that's why race shouldn't matter, that's because you're a racist. Don't you see? Well, famously, Ibram x Kendi MacArthur Genius Grant award winner, famously Ibram X Kendi was asked just a couple of years ago about how to define racism. Here was this Genius's definition. Well, so racism, I would define it as a collection of racist policies that lead to racial inequity that are substantiated by racist ideas. Wait, so the way that he just defined racism is race racist policies that lead to racial inequity. You can't define a term by using the term that is not a possibility. You can't do that. I mean you can try, but it doesn't work. Again, just to read you the quote so you understand how dumb this is, quote, I would define it as a collection of racist polities that lead to racial inequity that are substantiated by racist ideas. The audience by the way, watching this actually laughed out loud and then he reiterated his definition, And. he added, quote, an anti-racism. It's pretty simple using the same terms, anti-racism is a collection of Antiracist policies leading to racial equity that are substantiated by Antiracist ideas. Now, again, as I say, just textbook logic, you cannot define a term by using the term. If someone asks you to define an elephant and you quickly explain that an elephant is an animal known as an elephant that would not add any new information to the discourse. If you said an elephant is an animal that looks exactly like an elephant and acts exactly like an elephant, people laugh at you because it's ridiculous. That's exactly what Ibram Max Kendi is saying. So he doesn't actually have to define the term. Now remember, he was richly rewarded for all of this crap in the middle of the B l m Scam that was happening in 2020. Again, it was a Scam, the lie that American society rests in unidentifiable but ever present. Racism is a lie. The notion that disparities in crime statistics are caused by racist policing. That is a lie, but that idea was very prominent. It was particularly prominent among liberal white folks who felt that if they signed Imex Ken a check the same way that they would have back in the 1980s to Al Sharpton, then they could give basically Al Sharpton with a patina of intellectual legitimacy, some sort. He would give a dispensation to them. You sign Imex Ken a check, and now you are an Antiracist. His magic anti-racism works. How do you show you're an Antiracist? You become an Antiracist. It's not enough to not be racist. This is what Kennedy says. If you say, I'm not a racist, I don't think the people should be judged on the basis of their race. He says, that's not enough. You need to be actively Antiracist and the only way to be Antiracist is to fight racist policies, namely any policies that end in some sort of disparity in some sort of racial disparity. And the best way to fight those policies is to give to Abraham X Kendi how magical, which presumably is why Jack Dorsey in 2020 gave Ken's new center for Antiracist research at Boston University, $10 million. The Vertex Foundation of Vertex Pharmaceuticals gave the center $1.5 million over three years. Bank of America brought in Kendi to deliver his message, and the Boston Globe teamed with Ken's censor to create a new media platform. The Center for Antiracist Research has generated precisely zero RA research at this point so far as anyone is aware. So why are we discussing Imex Kendi today? Because hilariously after bu set up an entire sensor in Ode to this idiot that after BU set up with the Boston Globe, a media enterprise with Ibram Max Kendi, after all of this happened, it turns out that Boston University is now announcing an inquiry into the Ibram Max Ken's Antiracist Center. It turns out the whole thing is a Scam. Oh no, you don't say, oh, that is a shock. You mean a person who can't find the word racism but is being paid not to define the word racism and then the way that you actually become not racist is suicide. You mean that was a Scam? You mean just like any other cult? If the cult leader can't define the terms, but the terms involve you having sex with the cult leader. It's a cult. Yeah. That's this. That's this. I'll get to more of this in just once if I'm a little bit gleeful about this is because idiocy that is clearly obvious to the human eye, ignored and metastasized will eventually take root and then come back to kill the host. And that's precisely what has happened with regard to Ibram X Kenzie's version of anti-racism. Everyone could see this as a Scam that it was idiocy those emperor's new closed garbage. Everyone knew this at the time. Anti-racism is a collection of Antiracist policies that target racist disparities backed by racist ideas, but everyone could tell this was gobbledygook nonsense. But we had to pretend not because Black Lives Matter now, how it protected black lives beyond anybody. No proof it does, but it In fact Pre precisely the opposite. It turns out the best way to alleviate disparities is to actually focus in on human behavior and focus in on the behavior that leads to those disparities. But IEX County got away with a lot of money for a long time. We'll get into the details in just one second. First, You know a company is looking out for you when they actually upgrade your service and don't charge you for it. This is great news for new and current Pure Talk customers. Pure Talk just added data to every plan and includes a mobile hotspot with no price increase whatsoever. If you've considered Pure Talk before but you haven't made the switch, take a look again for just 20 bucks a month, you'll get unlimited talk text and now 50% more five G data plus their new mobile hotspot. 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The predicate for this is that they laid off some 20% of their entire staff following the fact that they had millions and millions and millions of dollars and it just randomly went for it's just gone. Now, Philippe Copeland is a former employee of the Boston University, Ibram X Kendi Center for Grift and And. here is what he posted recently on his social media quote. Boston University needs to explain how one of its premier senders ended up in this situation and how mass layoffs are Antiracist. This act of employment, violence and trauma is not just about individual leaders, it's about the culture and systems that allow it to occur. I love it. Oh man, it's an A robo. It's a snake eating its own tail here. So you see Ibram Max Kendi preaches the grift and then when he actually uses the grift to fire his own people, creating a disparity in outcome, this means he is now violating his own Antiracist precepts. It turns out fire a bunch of black people at the Boston University Center for Ibram Max, Ken's grift, and then you fire a bunch of black people and you now have created disparity. Then who's the Antiracist and who's the racist? Ibram X Kendi anti-racism is not a branding exercise, PR campaign or path to self-promotion. It is a life and death matter says Philippe Copeland. Too much of higher education responded to the so-called racial reckoning with theater therapy and marketing. Masquerading is institutional commitment. Wherever this has occurred, it needs to be exposed for exposed to the obscenity. It is there is too much at stake. Those of us who believe in real anti-racism needs to demand more from our colleges and universities. Our students are watching. So those of you laboring in institutions whose commitment to anti-racism is cosmetic and hypocritical. I see you. I hear you. I am with you, says Philippe Copeland. He says he has a story to tell. During my time at the center, I proposed and developed a new fellowship program called Designing Antiracist Curriculum. This was a collaboration with the Center for Teaching and Learning in the Office of Diversity and Inclusion, all professional, useless people. We successfully launched this new program. I decided I could no longer work at the center due to the mismanagement I witnessed. I was subsequently told I could no longer be part of the leadership of the fellowship I created. The excuse for this was that I was leaving the center and would be replaced by someone else. This was in spite of the fact I said I was willing to continue serving without a course buyout or compensation. The excuse made no sense. There's already a faculty member serving on the the leadership team with no affiliation with the center. Taking a program from the black faculty member that created it is apparently what BU considers anti-racism. So they fired a black guy. This means that they are the true racist. So now BU has launched a full scale inquiry into the Ibram X Kendi Center for Antiracist Research and Grift. The assessment comes the week after Kendi Toll laid off more than half of the center's staff, not 20%, 50%, I'm sorry, the complaints abused spokesperson said, focused on the sensor's culture and grant management practices. The inquiry announced Wednesday represents a broadening of a previous examination of the center's grant management practices. According to the spokesperson, Rachel Laal, cavalier Kendi takes strong exceptions to the allegations made in recent complaints and media reports. She said, since its announced launch in June of 2020, just days after the murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis, the center has raised tens of millions of dollars from tech entrepreneurs, Boston area corporations, and thousands of small donors. According to the Boston Globe, which is one of the institution that sponsored Kendi. The money was meant to finance a range of ambitious projects, a database to track racial disparities nationwide, a graduate degree program, a media enterprise and research teams studying the effects of systemic racism on health and society. Some of those projects have come to fruition, including the emancipator. A digital publication launched with the Boston Globe's opinion staff in 2021. So in other words, the Boston Globe did its part, but nothing else happened with the money. There is no racial data tracker that was supposedly the centerpiece of their research. There is In fact, no research. What exactly is the list of the center's achievements? Funding for numerous research projects. Collaboration in a project launched by journalists at the Atlantic magazine. So they paid the Atlantic to do what the Atlantic does and organizing two policy convenings. Ooh, policy convenings. So where's the money? It's just kind of gone apparently. So Kendi has completed a number of personal projects since 2020, but in recent months he's been on leave from the center. He returned last week and in a series of Zoom meetings told approximately 20 of the Century's staffers they would be laid off according to Spencer Piston, a BU professor and leader in the Center's policy conference. The layoffs were initiated by Dr. Kendi and there represents a strategic pivot. According to bu, the center will now persuade fellowship model rather than its research based approach. There was no research, hard to have a research based approach when you got no research. So again, y'all got scammed. Y'all got scammed, and that is the message here. If you can't articulate why it is that somebody should give you money to do a thing, all you can do is threaten them that you will call them a racist or a bigot if they do not do the thing. This means that you are a cult leader and a Scam artist, and that is what happened right here with the Center for Antiracist Bigotry. And this is indeed The Greatest Scam in Modern America, the D E I Scam, the woke Scam. It is a Scam. Wokeness, by the way, has an actual definition. Wokeness springs from the writings of critical legal theory. It springs from the writings of Kimberly Crenshaw. The basic idea is Kennedy's idea that America is rife with institutional racism. That that institutional racism serves the purposes of white supremacy and that any disparity is evidence of that racism. That's can be in a nutshell, and it's a Scam because the only way that you can escape this bind that they've created, this unfalsifiable etheric racism that you are a part of is to give them money and then they waste the money. They spend it on themselves there. Is it anyone? How many scams have to be uncovered before people realize it's a Scam? How many B l m leaders have to buy themselves houses like Patrice colors with the cash before you realize that it is a Scam? Truly it is an amazing, amazing thing. It's like every other day one of these scams is exposed for the Scam that it is, and then people just keep on parroting the Scam. D e I is a Scam. It has been a Scam for as long as it has been a major part of American life and it continues to be a Scam today. Okay, in a second we're gonna get to the latest on Russell brand. Again, there's really no new information that has emerged about Russell Brand and the allegations against him yet, but that's not stopping people from attempting to remove any livelihood he might have. We'll get to that momentarily. First, everybody knows I love my Helix mattress, but have you checked out their most high end collection? The Helix Elite Helix has harnessed years of extensive mattress expertise to bring their customers a truly elevated sleep experience. 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So allegations are tantamount to conviction in the world of YouTube, which is weird 'cause Cardi B literally has admitted to drugging and robbing men. But I see that herb videos are earning tons and tons of cash. Elijah Schaffer pointed that one out by the way. It's a good point and it happens to be an obvious double standard. Well, now the British government is literally sending letters to Rumble. So Rumble is a is a video site that hosts Russell's show and the UK Parliament, they had a committee that sends a letter to the c e O of Rumble. That letter from Dame Carolyn Denaj, the chair of the Culture Media and Sport Committee wrote this letter to Rumble saying quote, I'm writing concerning the serious allegations regarding Russell Brandand in the context of his being a content provider on Rumble with more than 1.4 million followers. The Culture, media and Sport Committee is raising questions with the broadcasters and production companies who previously employed brand to examine both the culture of the industry in the past and whether that culture still prevails today. However, we're also looking at his use of social media, including on Rumble, where he issued his preemptive response to accusations made against him by the Sunday Times and Channel Four's dispatches. While we recognize that Rumble is not the creator of the content, we are concerned, he may be able to profit from the content on the platform. We'll be grateful if you could confirm whether brand is able to monetize his content, including his videos related to serious accusations against him. If so, we'd like to know whether Rumble intends to join YouTube in suspending brand's ability to earn money on the platform. We would also like to know what Rumble is doing to ensure creators are not able to use the platform to undermine the welfare of victims of inappropriate and potentially illegal behavior. So he got the British government basically tacitly threatening rumble with some sort of unspecified consequences for not demonetizing. Russell Brain now have governments working to push social media platforms to demonetize people on the basis of allegations, and the British government has so far not yet prosecuted. That's amazing. While Chris Pavlovsky, who's the c e O of Rumble, issued a response quote today, we received an extremely disturbing letter from a committee chair in the UK Parliament. While Rumble obviously pls sexual assault, rape in all serious crimes and believes that both alleged victims in the accused are entitled to a full and serious investigation, it's vital to note recent allegations against brand have nothing to do with content on Rumble's platform. We regard as deeply inappropriate and dangerous that the UK Parliament would attempt to control who's allowed to speak on our platform or to earn a living from doing so. Singling out an individual demanding his ban is even more disturbing given the absence of any connection between the allegations and his contents. On Rumble. We don't agree with the behavior of many of rumble's creators. We refuse to penalize them for actions that have nothing to do with our platform. I mean, that should be patently obvious to anybody, but the fact that the UK Parliament is now unleashing committees to try to pressure social media companies to remove monetary compensation from Russell Brand's videos is totally crazy. I mean that that is In fact a violation of every free speech principle if the government can, I mean, understand what's happening here. The government has not charged Russell Brand with a crime, and yet they're now pressuring social media to remove monetary compensation from all of his videos. They're writing open letters to places like Rumble about all of this. That's wild. That's wild stuff. And you wanna talk about like true tyrannical kind of threats. That's a, that's a tyrannical threat. Let's assume that you got accused of something not in court, not by the police. You were accused publicly of a thing and the government then went to your employer and tried to get you fired on the basis of an allegation that has not yet been substantiated by the police. That's scary stuff and that's obviously ending around due process. But You know this is the world in which we live, and that is a, that is a scary, scary world. Okay, one second, we're gonna get to America. Garland. Speaking of Lawlessness America, garlandy Attorney General of the United States appeared on the Hill yesterday. 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Republicans are ramping up their impeachment inquiry into President Biden, but it's not just targeting Hunter and, and Joe, that inquiry obviously targets Garland as well because Garland was presiding over a DOJ that attempted to cut an obvious sweetheart deal with Joe Biden's son. Well, Joe Biden's, president of the United States. Now Merrick Garland is denying having anything to do with this. He's like, well, You know it wasn't me. I, I'm completely independent from Joe and then David Weiss, the prosecutor in this case was completely independent from me. But here's the magic of being a member of the DOJ. It's very much like Henry iii. Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest With regard to Thomas Beckett. You don't have to say anything. The president of the United States can basically say, I'm very sad that my son is being targeted, blah and Merrick garland's like, oh, you don't even have to tell me what to do. I know what to do. I'll help quash that case. And You know what, I don't even have to act in order to quash that case. All I have to do is not give David Weiss special counsel abilities. I just won't give it to him. Now, he claims, well, David Weiss never asked for it. David Weiss doesn't have to ask for it. You're supposed to give it, obviously it's up to you to give him that you, so all Merrick Garland had to do in order to effectuate this, this sweetheart deal, which had to have sign off at the DOJ for sure is nothing. That's all he had to do. Just do nothing. Don't intervene. Don't give him special counsel status to David Weiss. Don't do anything and then magically a sweetheart deal would be cut. And that's the problems. America's like, I didn't actually Yeah, we know. We know you didn't actually have to do anything. That's the beauty of being the head of the Justice Department. So he got grilled yesterday on the hill by a bunch of Republicans. Here are a bunch of house Republicans peppering Garland with questions about Hunter Biden. Mr. Weiss has been the lead prosecutor on the Hunter Biden case since 2018. Now, here's the question. He's been The lead prosecutor since he was appointed by President Trump. Okay, Why? Let me ask you, why has the Justice Department dragged this investigation out for so long? Does it really take years to determine if Hunter Biden lied on a federal form related to purchasing a firearm? Mr. Weiss was a long time career prosecutor. President Trump appointed him as the, You're not answering the question. Is that standard procedure should it take that long to make such a simple determination? I'm answering the question. Give me an opportunity to do so. Okay. He was charged with that investigation under the previous administration. He's continued. He knows how to conduct investigations and I have not intruded or attempted to evaluate that because I, that was the promise I made to the Senate. He's Been truly independent is what we've heard. But again, here's the point. He doesn't have to do anything. All he has to do is come into office and not give David Weiss additional special counsel abilities. Now you can say David Weiss is appointed by Trump. That's true. It is also true that if you are looking for independence from a Justice department run by the suspect's father, then maybe when you come in you say, okay, well yeah, I understand that the other party was in charge of the Justice Department. Well, now I'm in charge of the Justice Department and that's kind of awkward since You know my boss is the dad of the guy that we're looking to prosecute, so maybe I should give some semblance of independence to the special prosecutor. That'd been the way to go about this. Representative Jim Jordan went after Merrick Garland as well. Here he was yesterday, Quote, Mr. Weiss has full authority to bring cases in other jurisdictions if he feels it's necessary. That was your response, attorney General to Senator Grassley's question on March 1st, 2023. He just referenced it when Mr. Bishop was questioning you, only problem is he'd already been turned down by the US attorney in the District of Columbia, Mr. Graves. So he didn't have full authority, did he? I had an extended conversation with Senator Grassley at the time. We briefly touched on the Section five 15 question and how that process went. I, I have never been suggested. My my point's real simple. Mr. Garland, you said he had complete authority, but he'd already been turned down. Can't be. He wanted to bring an action in the District of Columbia and the US attorney there said, no, you can't, and then you go tell the United States Senate under oath that he has complete authority. I'm Gonna say again that no one had the authority to turn him down. They could refuse to partner with him. They could not. You Can use whatever you, you language refuse to partner is turning down. I mean, that clearly is true if you refuse to partner with somebody in prosecuting a case that obviously is saying no to them clearly. So You know, again, what Merrick Garland is saying is, I didn't intervene. I I didn't have to say any. Well, yeah, but if the message goes out that all of these other district attorneys all over the country, they're better off not partnering with David Weiss and prosecuting these cases, then what do you think is going to happen? Precisely Representative Thomas Massey of Kentucky, he's saying the same thing When I said, how many agents or assets of the government were present on January 5th and January 6th and agitating in the crowd to go into the Capitol and how many went into the Capitol? Can you answer that now? Don don't know the answer to that question. Oh, last time you don't know how many there were or there were none. Don don't know the answer to either of those questions. If there were any don don't know how many you've don don't know whether there are any, I think you may have just perjured yourself that you don't know that there were any You wanna say that again? That you don't know that there were any I Have no personal knowledge of this matter. I think what I said the last time You've had two years to find out and the day, by the way, that was in reference to Ray Epps and yesterday you indicted him. Okay, so again, that's about January 6th, but this is the whole point is that Merrick Garland as always, the the accuser is so often the person who is doing the thing, and that's particularly true when it comes to the DOJ for years, all we heard is that Bill Barr was somehow a, a tool of Donald Trump doing all the bidding of Donald Trump. Which is weird because Bill Barr was a direct to odds with Donald Trump over, for example, January 6th and all the election stuff that Trump was doing between the election and January 6th to the point that Trump was starting to fire him. Barr was threatening to walk and all the rest of this sort of stuff. Meanwhile, he had Eric Holder, who's the Attorney general under Barack Obama, openly saying he was Barack Obama's wing man. He had Loretta Lynch on the tarmac with, with the Clintons and, and Meanwhile. You have now Merrick Garland doing the exact bidding of Joe Biden and we're supposed to believe that it's completely apolitical. Garland did testify that he, he wouldn't even say if he had discussed the Hunter Biden probe with David Wise here. He was. This is a very weird answer. This is Representative Mike Johnson of Louisiana grilling him. Can you tell us about any briefings or discussions that you personally have had with Mr. Weiss regarding any and all federal investigations of Hunter Biden? I'm gonna say again, I promised the Senate that I would not interfere with Mr. Weiss. So you have not, I'm just under oath today. Your testimony is you have not had any discussions with Mr. Weiss about this matter under Oath. My testimony today is that I promised that the, the Senate I would not intrude in his investigation. I do not intend to discuss Delib internal Justice Department deliberations, whether or not I had them. Oh, okay. So your your testimony today is you're not gonna tell us whether you've had discussions with Mr. Weiss. My testimony today is I told the committee that I would not interfere. I made clear that Mr. Weiss would have the authority to bring cases that he thought were appropriate. Okay. Okay. But he won't ask, answer any specific questions about You know the exact contents of conversations with David Weiss, which is, which is weird. And then Garland was, was asked, well, did did you talk to anybody about the Hunter probe? He's like, I don't remember. I I don't think this is true. Do you think that's true that he doesn't remember if he had any conversations with anybody about the Hunter probe? Have you had personal contact with anyone at F B I headquarters about the Hunter Biden investigation? I don't, I don't, I don't recollect the answer to that question question, but the F B I works for the Justice Department. It's, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You don't recollect. You don't recollect whether you've talked with anybody at F B I headquarters about an investigation of the president's son. I, I don't believe that I did. Okay. Sure, sure. Again, Merrick Garland one of the most obviously corrupt bureaucrats in Washington DC and thanks to Mitch McConnell for not putting that guy on the Supreme Court of the United States. Also, Merrick Garland was rigged over the coals about the DOJs bizarre decisions over the course of his tenure, including multiple F B I field offices coordinating to prepare an anti-Catholic memo. That happened, you'll recall back in August when House Judiciary Committee chairman Jim Jordan and subcommittee on the Constitution Limited government cha chairman Mike Johnson, sent a letter to F B I director Chris w Ray, revealing that the F B I Richmond Field Office coordinated with multiple F B I offices across the country to produce a memo targeting traditional Catholics as potential terrorists. Well, Merrick Garland was asked about this And, he denied that there was any religious discrimination at the DOJ, which I'm sure Through the chair. I ask you, do you agree that traditional Catholics are violent extremists? Have, have no idea what your, what the traditional means here Catholics, lemme just Catholic And go to church. May I answer your question? Yes or no? The idea that someone with my family background would discriminate against any religion is so outrageous, Mr. So absurd, Mr. Attorney General, it was your F B I that did this. It was your F B I that was sending, and we have the memos, we have the emails. We're sending undercover agents into Catholic churches. Okay? Now, what Merrick Garland is referring to there is the fact that he's of Jewish backgrounds. The idea that that he would never, ever engage in religious discrimination is crazy. Well, that really isn't, the question is his religious background. It's a question of perception. If he believes this is why he, he, this is why he hesitated when he said, what are traditional Catholics? What are we talking about here? Because the reality is that it is very easy to believe that you are the good guy and that you are not engaged in a form of discrimination. Even if your F B I field offices are engaging in discrimination against, for example, traditional Catholics. 'cause you just say, well, they're not actually traditional Catholics. Are they really traditional? How are we defining traditional here and well, the Democrats came out in full scale defense of Merrick Garland. Of course, Jerry Nadler in particular went after Jim Jordan suggesting that everything that Jim Jordan is saying about Merrick Garland has already been refuted, which is weird 'cause the whistleblowers accusations that the independence that was sought by David Weiss was not granted by Merrick Garland. That has not been refuted in any serious way At the outset. Lemme make two comments. One, just about every assertion you made in your opening statement has been completely refuted by witnesses who have testified before this committee. Two, far from being favored. Many commentators have noted that people accused of simple gun possession while under the influence of a drug when that gun was not used in the commission of a crime, are rarely if ever prosecuted the way Hunter Biden is being prosecuted. Now, Hunter Biden is being persecuted, you see, according to Democrats and Merrick Garland, yeah. There are a bunch of administration officials who really should be on the table for impeachment probably before Joe Biden, because if the idea of impeaching Joe Biden is based on some sort of connection of dots that supposedly has yet to take place, it's not too hard to connect the dots. With regard to Merrick Garland's malfeasance, we have whistleblowers testifying to it or with regard to, for example, Alejandro Mayorkas not doing anything remotely like his job at the Department of Homeland Security. Hey, one second. We are going to get to the UN, which hosted the Iranian President. 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Episode five is now out here. Is the trailer Coming up on Convicting a Murderer? Well, you think that the sheriff's department is framing you because of the lawsuit, right? That's what I think. Okay. James Lang, Andy Colburn. They were involved in the old case And. here they are again. In this new case, Stephen Avery Is released from prison after being wrongfully convicted. Avery's attorneys say those hardships are worth $36 million. Why were Manitowoc officers involved when there was a $36 million pending lawsuit against them? Lincoln Colburn were villains. The main ones accused of planting evidence Were you asked to perform a thorough search of this piece of furniture. Yes. Suddenly I hear Lieutenant Link say, there's key on the floor. I knew the significance of that, and I said, you guys, just up my case, New episodes are released every Thursday exclusively at Daily Wire plus head on over there right now to start the series. If you haven't already, if you're not a member, go to Daily Wire plus.com/subscribe and join today. Okay. Meanwhile over at the United Nations, which as I always say is the most I of international politics, a wretched hive of scum and villainy, the United States allowed President Ibram Raisi, who is the leader of that terror state, to actually travel across the world, land in New York, and then yell about how terrible America is. According to the UK guardian. In a lengthy set piece to the UN General Assembly, he accused America of fanning the flames of violence in Ukraine, prompting protests from Israel's representative to the UN. He claimed any Iranian made drones hitting Ukrainian cities had been sold before the war started and said he was in favor of peace in Ukraine. That was on the same day. The Tehran hosted a Russian defense delegation led by defense minister Surgo. He said that the world is transitioning into a novel international order and the project to Americanize the world has failed. He said the West was facing a crisis of identity and functionality and seizes the world as a forest and itself as a beautiful garden. He also accused America of stoking the war in Ukraine in order to weaken Europe. While this caused the Israeli ambassadors to the Ada aan, who I know personally to walk out, he accused the owner of rolling out the red carpet for the butcher of Tehran, which of course is exactly right, And. he held up a picture of Masa Amini, who's a Kurdish woman who died in police custody in Iran for not wearing hijab correctly. He was then ejected, was the Israeli ambassador. See, the rule is that you're allowed to be a terrorist dictator, but if you hold up a picture of a person that the terrorist dictator has helped murder, then apparently you get kicked out of the UN. Apparently, according to the independent in the uk, there was indeed, indeed incident when the permanent representative of Israel walked down the island and thrilled a photo during the speech by the presidents of Iran in the General Assembly, UN security spoke to him. At no time was the ambassador to detained in any way, shape, or form. As far as we are concerned, the incident is closed. Apparently, the caption on the photo said, Iranian women deserve freedom. Now, And, he wrote, did Air Don on X. When President Rasi Iran, the butcher of Tehran began a speech, I waved a picture of Masa Amini, the innocence Iranian woman who's brutally murdered by the regime one year ago for not wearing hi Java. Properly Meanwhile outside the UN. Hundreds of Iranians were protesting, begging for help from the international community. I'll never stop fighting for the truth. I'll always expose the UN to moral distortions. By the way, I'll just point out here that the media coverage of the number of protesters who are protesting the Iranian dictator being in being in the United States and and just speaking nonsense and and garbage. That was dwarf the media coverage of that by the coverage of like a few dozen protesters in the United States who are very anti Benjamin Netanya, who's also visiting the United States and is having a sidebar with Joe Biden at this point. Just again, the UN continues to be not only a useless, but a counterproductive organization. Okay, Meanwhile, speaking of useless and counterproductive organizations, you would imagine that the UN, this international organizations, these would be the places where negotiations would happen over, for example, NNO Karbach. This is a very little noticed and little watched region of the world, except by people who are sort of in the know it's a hotspot. There are certain hotspots in the world. Kashmir is a hotspot. Say the Gaza Strip is a hotspot. Areas of Judean Samaria are hotspot and Nno. Karbach is a, is a hotspot. The reason it's a hotspot is because it is largely ethnically Armenian, but it is controlled by Azerbaijan, and so for years and years and years, there has been an Armenian separatist attempt to take Nagorno Karbach from the rule of Azerbaijan. Well, now Azerbaijani forces have assaulted the area. They apparently report suggest that there are a lot of civilian deaths. The Azer Hanni forces are suggesting they were telling people to get out in advance of their advance, but apparently, according to the Wall Street Journal, Armenian separatist in Nagar Karbach agreed on Wednesday to disarm and discuss reintegration with Usar Bajan following a swift but deadly assault by Azerbaijani forces, a capitulation signaling the end of decades of ethnic Armenian rule in the enclave and the rapid decline of Russian influence in the former Soviet Union territories. It's a very complicated situation because both Iran and Russia are supporters of the separatists. In Nagorno, Kaba, Meanwhile, Turkey and Israel are supporters of the Azerbaijani forces. The terms of the ceasefire, like groundwork that could bring to a close the autonomous rule by the population of Nagorno Carrabba, which was one of from Baku in a bloody years long war after the fall of the Soviet empire, fighting appeared to continue in parts of the enclave hours after the signing of the ceasefire, the speed at which the Armenian separatists agreed to abandon their armed struggle underscores Moscow waning power over events in the region. As its forces are stretched in Ukraine, it's been a frozen conflict, and the Kremlin has used this as a lever to maintain over both Armenia and Azerbaijan. According to the Wall Street Journal, over the years, Moscow has sent both weapons and peacekeepers to the region while using diplomacy to retain its position as the ultimate arbiter over geopolitics. There. This obviously is another piece of evidence that that Russia is weakening internationally, which is generally a good thing. Russia's been a very powerful and aggressive force in the world, obviously, particularly along its old Soviet borders. According to Thomas DeWaal expert on AUR Karbach and senior fellow at Carnegie Europe, Russia's leverage is much weakened by what's happening in Ukraine. We see the Armenians moving away from Russia, Nazer Bajan having a relationship with Russia that is more on its own terms and go, Karbach said it lost 24 civilians and soldiers in the day long conflict that began on Tuesday with artillery assaults on what Azerbaijan said, were Armenian military targets in the breakaway region. Locals posting on social media reported strikes on residential neighborhoods in the territories. Main city of Stephan Kart, Russia's defense ministries said peacekeepers had come under fire and died during the violence. They didn't specify how many were killed. Azerbaijan says it plans to take back the enclave. It's inside the border of Azerbaijan. It's populated almost entirely by ethnic Armenians who have ruled since the 1990s under the terms of a peace deal brokered by Russia. Skirmishes erupted into conflict in 2020 when Azerbaijan reclaimed areas around the territory. That battle ended guaranteeing Armenian separatist control over that particular area, but peace has remained shaky. Armenian's leaders complained. Russia wasn't able to enforce the deal, so again, a complicated conflict in which the UN has been entirely absent. The us, Russias, and EU all said they had made last ditch efforts to dissuade Azerbaijani President Ilham, an aliya from attacking the territory. Now, garal Karbach has relied almost solely on Armenia for links to the outside world. Secretary of State, Anthony Blinking called the leaders of Azerbaijan Armenia to express his concern over the escalation. Again, o one of the things that is amazing about these sorts of conflicts is that nobody notices them until they break into violence, and after that, like five minutes later, nobody notices otherwise. This is why when it comes to American foreign policy, the amount of focus that actually is placed on American foreign policy around the world is actually fairly low by Americans. It kind of bursts into the national consciousness for a hot second, and then it is just gone. Okay, Meanwhile, the Feds continue to debate the interest rates because our economy continues to stagnate. According to the Wall Street Journal, federal Reserve officials are set to hold interest rates steady at their meeting on Wednesday while debating what it would take for them to lift a borrowing costs again. This year. Their anticipated decision would mark the second time in six policy meetings This year, the Fed has not raised rates. The the Fed has signaled it will hold rates steady and make no substantive changes to its post-meeting policy statement. That doesn't mean that inflation has actually been solved because again, inflation in the United States remains almost double what we are supposed to be looking for right now. Rate projections suggest that many Fed officials see a rising neutral rate, which keeps inflation and unemployment stable in the long run. It just means that it's already baked into the cake. According to the Wall Street Journal, federal Reserve officials surprise markets by signaling that interest rates will not fall as much as previously planned. That tweak might be more important than it looks in their projections and commentary. Some officials hint that rates might be higher, not just for for longer, but forever, right? So for a very long time in the United States, you get a mortgage at three 4%. That is not going to be the case for a long time to come, and that is because of the inflation that has been baked into the cake by the loose monetary and fiscal policy of the United States over the course of years. One of the big problems here, and one of the things that creates inflation is lack of labor productivity. One of the things that brings down prices is additional labor productivity. As Greg, it writes for the Wall Street Journal for the United Auto Workers, it makes perfect sense to demand more pay and better work-life balance from Detroit's at three automakers. After all workers throughout this historically tight labor market are getting exactly that, but what makes sense to striking factory workers makes no sense for manufacturing as a whole. Pays ultimately tied to productivity, the quantity and quality of products a company's workforce churns out And. Here, American manufacturing companies and workers are in trouble. The issue is not with labor intensive products like clothing and furniture, which offshore a long time ago. It's in the most advanced products, electric cars and batteries, power generation equipment, commercial aircraft, semiconductors. American companies still lead the world in design and innovation, but the resulting products increasingly are made abroad, especially in Asia. Joe Biden like Donald, Trump wants to reverse that through tariff subsidies and other government interventions, but the problem is, is really not about that. It's that Asian manufacturers have basically decreased cost, increased quality, and American counterparts have slipped. When you look at manufacturing productivity growth from two, 2009 to 2022, Taiwan has had a productivity growth annual average 4%. The UK 1.7%, Germany 1.4%, the US 0.2% in motor vehicle manufacturing. The picture's especially bad from 2012 through last year, productivity plummeted 32%. That's not the fault of American workers. As Greg points out, productivity depends on a bunch of factors, including management decisions, supply chain, public infrastructure regulation. For example, American manufacturers use far fewer robots than their competitors, but it doesn't matter if you're not bringing up the productivity. That means that you are not going to be competitive on the world markets, and so the U A W is striking for temporary gains in the face of what are going to be significant future losses. Right now, the attempt to transition to electric vehicles by the big three, that's a very risky move. Considering that Ford is set to apparently lose $4.5 billion on electric vehicles this year, that is not a good number. Boating. Boating ill for the future of this U A W strike. We'll get to more on all that in just one second. 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The point is that you're not supposed to kneecap workers as long as a union is just a voluntary association of men negotiating for pay. Men and women obviously negotiating for pay, no problem. It's when you start knee capping people or relying on the federal government to cram down solutions that you are now engaged in corporatism, which is a, a form of financial fascism. Economic fascism. While the Democratic party knows this, it's no wonder whenever people talk about money in politics, they always neglect union money in politics because that might implicate the Democrats. What is amazing is how the unions are now holding the Democrats to the wall. Back in September, early September, Joe Biden said he thought that a u a w strike was unlikely. Now, of course, we're in the middle of the end of week one of this thing. When asked by CNN's Betsy Klein, whether he believed a strike could happen in just less than two weeks time when the contract of the United Auto Workers expires, president Biden said he didn't think so. He said, I'm not worried about a strike until it happens, don don't think it's going to happen. As always, Joe Biden is incredible at this. Of course, the unions are holding him to the wall. Why not? They know that they, they own him. Meanwhile, the Governor of Pennsylvania, Josh Shapiro, he's saying also that he stands with the u a w because why not? If you're a Democrat, what cost does it have to you to stand with the union, even if it ends up bankrupting the car industry a couple years in the future? You just blame capitalism after you regulate those car companies into the ground and then cram down crappy union deals on them when the companies go under, well, that's when you blame capitalism, obviously. Here's Josh Shapiro. Bernie Sanders though says You know if the bosses are gonna benefit from this better technology. The workers should too. They should have more time with their families, more time at home. What do you think? Well, a, I stand with the striking u a w workers. They deserve to share in these record profits that the executives are taking home. I think what we have seen is just a, a, a greater gap between what the executives are making in companies and what the workers who are putting the, the product and the services out on the field are earning. We need to shrink that gap. And I stand with the U aaw striking workers. Of course, the Democrats are all in hoc Meanwhile. They're helping to cram down all the regulations that are gonna make these car companies go bankrupt. It's, it's one of the things that's so irritating about watching politics is very often it is government interventionism that skews the incentive structure for all these major companies, crams down bad contracts on them. Then when the companies go bankrupt, they blame capitalism for the failure, and then they bail out. The companies blaming capitalism all the while and saying, what, what we really need here is more government regulation. That's the story of the two seven th the 2007 2008 economic crash. The government created incentive structures in which it was very obvious to everybody that all of these companies were gonna get bailed out. And so they took all sorts of crazy risks. The risks went south, the government bailed them out and then blamed capitalism for that. That's not capitalism. That's corporatism pretty obviously. But again, at the same time that they're now pressuring the car companies to capitulate to the u a w, carbon disclosure rules are coming for US companies. According to the Wall Street Journal, many big US companies have been fighting in Washington to block rules requiring them to disclose the greenhouse gas emissions. They picked the wrong fight. Both California and the EU are poised to approve rules that require companies that do business to disclose their emissions. The rules would apply to private as well as public companies and require businesses to calculate and disclose emissions from their suppliers and their customers, which goes beyond what was expected out of Washington. This means that pretty much every major company in America is now going to be expected to disclose their carbon emissions, which is going to have some predictable downstream economic effect. So things are going incredibly, incredibly well. Okay, time for some things I like and then some things that I hate. So things that I like today. So Pennsylvania students have decided that they are not going to go along with new trans bathroom policies suggesting that boys can simply go into girls' bathrooms. And so they staged a walkout the other day to protest these bathroom policies. Here's what it looked like. Woo. According to the New York Post, hundreds of students from Pennsylvanians Peronian Valley School District walked outta class on Friday after the local school board failed to enact a policy requiring transgender students to use the restroom corresponding with their biological sex. I love the description there. I mean, you mean that, that they, they didn't pass a policy protecting girls. Kids were upset girls who wanted to protect them. They were upset. They didn't want men in their bathroom. Said John Ott, who organized the walkout, his mother, Stephanie accused the district of only protecting trans students, not looking at the whole picture. Proposed policy. Seven 20 came after local Father Tim Jagger posted on social media that his daughter was left too upset and emotionally disturbed to walk into school bathrooms after allegedly having an encounter with a trans student in one of the facilities. The outlets report, however, said neither the father nor their daughter were 100% sure that the student, jagger's daughter encountered in the restroom was a biological male. Well, I mean, here's the thing. If you have rules, then you can ensure that that doesn't happen, and that's not really a problem. But it is, it is incredible to me that this is even a controversy. Good for the students for walking out. Okay, time for a quick thing that I hate. Okay, so John Fetterman hates pants. I dunno why I'm confused, why he hates pants, but apparently he really, really hates pants. So much so that the Senate of the United States, in order to apparently concede to this brain damaged person. And I say that with, again, that's not an insult, that's just a reality. This person had a massive stroke. So this apparently means that John Federman must be allowed to preside over the Senate like my seven year old son going to, going to camp or something like that. That's what the Senate of the United States is. So all the staffers still have to wear suits. John Fetterman, however, he literally presided over to the Senate wearing gym shorts and like a short sleeve button-down shirt, looking as though he just emerged from a homeless shelter. According to The, Daily Wire, the senator from Pennsylvania took his turn sitting as the presiding officer, while some of his GOP colleagues, including Senators John Thon and Rand Paul and John Corny, delivered remarks on the Senate floor. He said, the world didn't spin off its Axis You know, I just did it. I think we'll still go on. This is what we deserve. What we deserve is a, is a country of of absolute fools wearing garbage clothing onto the floor of the United States Senate. I mean, honestly, why not at this point? Why not? Our standards for our politicians are so unbelievably low that we will elect the brain damage to high office. Why shouldn't they be able to dress as though they're attending a preschool as opposed to the Senate of the United States? Chuck Schumer said in a statement to Axio, senators are able to choose what they wear on the Senate floor. I will continue to wear a suit. So I'm declaring that all Republicans in honor of John Federman should declare Hawaiian shirt day at the US Senate. It's times more like the ugliest Hawaiian shirt that you could possibly find, along with cargo shorts as well as socks with sandals. That is what everyone should wear in the why not have some flip flops. They should wear flip flops, sunglasses. Susan Collins, by the way, is threatening to wear a bikini. That's his joke by her, by the way. She actually is not going to do that. But why not? I mean, after all, if John Federman can wear whatever he wants, because we have to make sure that we concede to the, to the not qualified senator from from Pennsylvania. Why? Why not? At this point? I, I suppose that it makes some sense. The good news is, I guess that the mask is off. If the United States is Senate is going to be a joke, I suppose that we can get rid of all the rules pretending that it's not a joke. Alright, guys, the rest of the show continues right now. You're not gonna wanna miss it. We'll be getting into some of the allegations that are now being made against Rudy Giuliani by Cassidy Hutchinson. If you're not a member, become a member. Use Coach Shapiro at checkout for two months for N Annual plans. Click that link in the description and join us.

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This bill modifies a program that compensates individuals for injuries experienced due to medical countermeasures (e.g., vaccines) delivered during certain public health emergencies, including with respect to compensation for COVID-19 vaccine injuries. The bill aligns award determination procedures and other aspects of the program with requirements under the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, which provides compensation for injuries or deaths associated with routinely administered vaccines. Additionally, the bill establishes a temporary commission to identify injuries caused by receipt of a COVID-19 vaccine. The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) must list all identified injuries in a table of conditions that are presumed to be caused by a COVID-19 vaccine, provided there is sufficient scientific evidence linking the injury to the vaccine. If HHS does not include an identified injury in the table, it must publish an explanation of that decision. The bill also allows individuals to resubmit their COVID-19 vaccine compensation claims, including the amounts of previously approved claims, for reconsideration under the provisions set out in the bill.

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Good evening to all of you from California. Tonight, Id like to talk to you about issues. Issues which I think are involvedor should be involved in this primary election season. Im a candidate for the Republican nomination for president. But I hope that you who are Independents and Democrats will let me talk to you also tonight because the problems facing our country are problems that just dont bear any party label. In this election season the White House is telling us a solid economic recovery is taking place. It claims a slight drop in unemployment. It says that prices arent going up as fast, but they are still going up, and that the stock market has shown some gains. But, in fact, things seem just about as they were back in the 1972 election year. Remember, we were also coming out of a recession then. Inflation had been running at round 6 percent. Unemployment about 7 (percent). Remember, too, the upsurge and the optimism lasted through the election year and into 1973. And then the roof fell in. Once again we had unemployment. Only this time not 7 percent, more than 10. And inflation wasnt 6 percent, it was 12 percent. Now, in this election year 1976, were told were coming out of this recession just because inflation and unemployment rates have fallen, to what they were at the worst of the previous recession. If history repeats itself, will we be talking recovery four years from now merely because weve reduced inflation from 25 percent to 12 percent? The fact is, well never build a lasting economic recovery by going deeper into debt at a faster rate than we ever have before. It took this nation 166 years until the middle of World War II to finally accumulate a debt of $95 billion. It took this administration just the last 12 months to add $95 billion to the debt. And this administration has run up almost one-fourth of the total national debt in just these short 19 months. Inflation is the cause of recession and unemployment. And were not going to have real prosperity or recovery until we stop fighting the symptoms and start fighting the disease. Theres only one cause for inflation- government spending more than government takes in. The cure is a balanced budget. Ah, but they tell us, 80 percent of the budget is uncontrollable. Its fixed by laws passed by Congress. Well, laws passed by Congress can be repealed by Congress. And, if Congress is unwilling to do this, then isnt it time we elect a Congress that will? Soon after he took office, Mr. Ford promised he would end inflation. Indeed, he declared war on inflation. And, we all donned those WIN buttons to Whip Inflation Now. Unfortunately the war if it ever really started was soon over. Mr. Ford without WIN button, appeared on TV, and promised he absolutely would not allow the Federal deficit to exceed $60 billion (which incidentally was $5 billion more than the biggest previous deficit wed ever had). Later he told us it might be as much as $70 billion. Now we learn its 80 billion or more. Then came a White House proposal for a $28 billion tax cut, to be matched by a $28 billion cut in the proposed spending not in present spending, but in the proposed spending in the new budget. Well, my question then and my question now is, if there was $28 billion in the new budget that could be cut, what was it doing there in the first place? Unfortunately, Washington doesnt feel the same pain from inflation that you and I do. As a matter of fact, government makes a profit on inflation. For instance, last July Congress vaccinated itself against that pain. It very quietly passed legislation (which the president signed into law) which automatically now gives a pay increase to every Congressman every time the cost of living goes up. It would have been nice if theyd thought of some arrangement like that for the rest of us. They could, for example, correct a great unfairness that now exists in our tax system. Today, when you get a cost of living pay raise one that just keeps you even with purchasing power it often moves you up into a higher tax bracket. This means you pay a higher percentage in tax, but you reduce your purchasing power. Last year, because of this inequity, the government took in $7 billion in undeserved profit in the income tax alone, and this year they'll do even better. Now isnt it time that Congress looked after your welfare as well as its own? Those whose spending policies cause inflation to begin with should be made to fee the painful effect just as you and I do. Repeal of Congresss automatic pay raise might leave it with more incentive to do something to curb inflation. Now, lets look at Social Security. Mr. Ford says he wants to preserve the integrity of Social Security. Well, I differ with him on one world. I would like to restore the integrity of Social Security. Those who depend on it see a continual reduction in their standard of living. Inflation strips the increase in their benefits. The maximum benefit today buys 80 fewer loaves of bread than it did when that maximum payment was only $85 a month. In the meantime, the Social Security payroll tax has become the most unfair tax any worker pays. Women are discriminated against, particularly working wives. And, people who reach Social Security age and want to continue working, should be allowed to do so without losing their benefits. I believe a presidential commission of experts should be appointed to study and present a plan to strengthen and improve Social Security while theres still time so that no person who has contributed to Social Security will ever lose a dime. Before leaving this subject of our economic problems, lets talk about unemployment. Ending inflation is the only long range and lasting answer to the problem of unemployment. The Washington Establishment is not the answer. Its the problem. Is tax policies, its harassing regulation, its confiscation of investment capital to pay for its deficits keeps business and industry from expanding to meet your needs and to provide the jobs we all need. No one who lived through the Great Depression can ever look upon an unemployed person with anything by compassion. To me, there is no greater tragedy than a breadwinner willing to work, with a job skill but unable to find a market for that job skill. Back in those dark depression days I saw my father on Christmas eve open what he thought was a Christmas greeting from his boss. Instead, it was the blue slip telling him he not longer had a job. The memory of him sitting there holding that slip of paper and then saying in a half whisper, Thats quite a Christmas present; it will stay with me as long as I live. Other problems go unsolved. Take energy. Only a short time ago we were lined up at the gas station turned our thermostats down as Washington announced project Independence. We were going to become self-sufficient, able to provide for our own energy needs. At the time, we were only importing a small percentage of our oil. Yet, the Arab boycott caused half a million Americans to lose their jobs when plants closed down for lack of fuel. Today, its almost three years later and Project Independence has become Project Dependence. Congress has adopted an energy bill so bad we were led to believe Mr. Ford would veto it. Instead, he signed it. And, almost instantly, drilling rigs all over our land started shutting down. Now for the first time in our history we are importing more oil than we produce. How many Americans will be laid off if theres another boycott? The energy bill is a disaster that never should have been signed. An effort has been made in this campaign to suggest that there arent any real differences between Mr. Ford and myself. Well, I believe there are and these differences are fundamental. One of them has to do with our approach to government. Before Richard Nixon appointed him Vice President, Mr. Ford was a Congressman for 25 years. His concern, of necessity, was the welfare of his congressional district. For most of his adult life he has been a part of the Washington Establishment. Most of my adult life has been spent outside of government. My experience in government was the eight years I served as governor of California. If it were a nation, California would be the 7th-ranking economic power in the world today. When I became governor, I inherited a state government that was in almost the same situation as New York City. The state payroll had been growing for a dozen years at a rate of from five to seven thousand new employees each year. State government was spending from a million to a million-and-a-half dollars more each day than it was taking in. The States great water project was unfinished and under-funded by a half a billion dollars. My predecessor had spent the entire years budget for Medicaid in the first six months of the fiscal year. And, we learned that the teachers retirement fund was unfunded a $4 billion liability hanging over every property owner in the state. I didnt know whether Id been elected governor or appointed receiver. California was faced with insolvency and on the verge of bankruptcy. We had to increase taxes. Well, this came very hard for me because I felt taxes were already too great a burden. I told the people the increase in my mind was temporary and that, as soon as we could, wed return their money to them. I had never in my life thought of seeking or holding public of office and Im still not quite sure how it all happened. In my own mind, I was a citizen representing my fellow citizens against the institution of government. I turned to the people, not to politicians, for help. Instead of a committee to screen applicants for jobs, I had a citizens recruiting committee, and I told this committee I wanted an administration made up of men and women who did not want government careers and whod be the first to tell me if their government job was unnecessary. And I had that happen. [A] young man from the aerospace industry dissolved his department in four months, handed me the key to this office, and told me wed never needed the department. And to this day, I not only have never missed it I dont know where it was. There was a reason for my seeking people who didnt want government careers. Dr. Parkinson summed it all up in his book on bureaucracy. He said, Government hires a rat-catcher and the first thing you know, hes become a rodent control officer. In those entire eight years, most of us never lost that feeling that we were there representing the people against what Cicero once called the arrogance of officialdom. We had a kind of watchword we used on each other. When we begin thinking of government as we instead of they, weve been here too long. Well, I believe that attitude would be beneficial in Washington. We didnt stop just with getting our administration from the ranks of the people. We also asked for help from expert people in a great many fields, and more than 250 of our citizens volunteered to form into task forces. They went into every department and agency of state government to see how modern business practices could make government more efficient, economical and responsive. The gave an average of 117 days apiece full time, away from their own jobs and careers at no cost to the taxpayers. They made eighteen hundred specific recommendations. We implemented more than sixteen hundred of those recommendations. This was government-by-the-people, proving that it works when the people work at it. When we ended our eight years, we turned over to the incoming administration a balanced budget, a $500 million surplus, and virtually the same number of employees wed stated with eight years before even though the increase in population had given some departments a two-thirds increase in work load. The water project was completed with $165 million left over. Our bonds had a triple A rating, the highest credit rating you can get. And the teachers retirement program was fully funded on a sound actuarial basis. And, we kept our word to the taxpayers we returned to them in rebates and tax cuts, $5 billion, $761 million. I believe that what we did in California can be done in Washington if government will have faith in the people and let them bring their common sense to bear on the problems bureaucracy hasnt solved. I believe in the people. Now, Mr. Ford places his faith in the Washington Establishment. This has been evident in his appointment of former Congressmen and longtime government workers to positions in his Administration. Well, I dont believe that those who have been part of the problem are necessarily the best qualified to solve those problems. The truth is, Washington has taken over functions that dont truly belong to it. In almost every case it has been a failure. Now, understand, Im speaking of those programs which logically should be administered at state and local levels. Welfare is a classic example. Voices that are raised now and then urging a federalization of welfare dont realize that the failure of welfare is due to federal interference. Washington doesnt even know how many people are on welfare how many cheaters are getting more than one check. It only knows how many checks its sending out. Its own rules keep it from finding out how many are getting more than one check. Well, California had a welfare problem. Sixteen percent of all welfare recipients in the country were drawing their checks in our state. We were sending welfare checks to families who decided to live abroad. On family was receiving its check in Russia. Our caseload was increasing by 40,000 people a month. Well, after a few years of trying to control this runaway program and being frustrated by bureaucrats here in California and in Washington, we turned again to a citizens task force. The result was the most comprehensive welfare reform ever attempted. And in less than three years we reduced the rolls by more than 300,000 people, saved the taxpayers $2 billion, and increased the grants to the truly deserving needy by an average of 43 percent. We also carried out a successful experiment which I believe is an answer to much of the welfare problem in the nation. We put able-bodied welfare recipients to work at useful community projects in return for their welfare grants. Now, lets look at housing. Washington has tried to solve this problem for the poor by building low-cost houses. So far its torn down three and a half homes for every one its built. Schools in America we created at the local level and administered at the local level for many years the greatest public school system in the world. Now through something called federal aid to education, we have something called federal interference, and education has been the loser. Quality has declined as federal intervention has increased. Nothing has created more bitterness, for example, than forced busing to achieve racial balance. It was born of a hope that we could increase understanding and reduce prejudice and antagonism. And Im sure we all approved of that goal. But busing has failed to achieve the goal. Instead, it has increased the bitterness and animosity it was supposed to reduce. Californias Superintendent of Public Instruction, Wilson Riles (himself a Black), says The concept that Black children cant learn unless they are sitting with white children is utter and complete nonsense. Well, I agree. The money now being wasted on this social experiment could be better spent to provide the kind of school facilities every child deserves. Forced busing should be ended by legislation if possible by constitutional amendment if necessary. And, control of education should be returned to local school districts. The other day Mr. Ford came out against gun control. But back in Washington, D.C., his Attorney General has proposed a seven-point program that amounts to just that: gun control. I dont think that making it difficult for law-abiding citizens to obtain guns will lower the crime rate - not when the criminals will always find a way to get them. In California I think we found an answer. We put into law what is practical gun control. Anyone convicted of having a gun in his possession while he committed a crime: add five to fifteen years to the prison sentence. Sometimes bureaucracys excesses are so great that we laugh at them. But they are costly laughs. Twenty-five years ago the Hoover Commission discovered that Washington files a million reports a year just reporting there is nothing to report. Independent business people, shopkeepers and farmers file billions of reports every year required of them by Washington. It amounts to some 10 billion pieces of paper each year, and it adds $50 billion a year to the cost of doing business. Now, Washington has been loud in its promise to do something about this blizzard of paperwork. And they made good. Last year they increased it by 20 percent. But there is one problem which must be solved or everything else is meaningless. I am speaking of the problem of our national security. Our nation is in danger, and the danger grows greater with each passing day. Like an echo from the past, the voice of Winston Churchills grandson was heard recently in Britains House of Commons warning that the spread of totalitarianism threatens the world once again the democracies are wandering without aim. Wandering without aim describes the United States foreign policy. Angola is a case in point. We gave just enough support to one side to encourage it to fight and die, but too little to give them a chance of winning. And while were disliked by the winner, distrusted by the loser, and viewed by the world as weak and unsure. If dente were the two-way street its supposed to be, we could have told the Soviet Union to stop its trouble-making and leave Angola to the Angolans. But it didnt work out that way. Now, we are told Washington is dropping the word dente, but keeping the policy. But whatever its called, the policy is whats at fault. What is our policy? Mr. Fords new Ambassador to the United Nations attacks our longtime ally, Israel. In Asia, our new relationship with mainland China can have practical benefits for both sides. But that doesnt mean it should include yielding to demands by them, as the administration has, to reduce our military presence on Taiwan where we have a longtime friend and ally, the Republic of China. And, its also revealed now that we seek to establish friendly relations with Hanoi. To make it more palatable, were told that this might help us learn the fate of the men still listed as Missing in Action. Well, theres no doubt our government has an obligation to end the agony of parents, wives and children whove lived so long with uncertainty. But, this should have been one of our first demands of Hanois patron saint, the Soviet Union, if dente had any meaning at all. To present it now as a reason for friendship with those who have already violated their promise to provide such information is hypocrisy. In the last few days, Mr. Ford and Dr. Kissinger had taken us from hinting at invasion of Cuba, to laughing it off as a ridiculous idea. Except, that it was their ridiculous idea. No one else suggested it. Once again what is their policy? During this last year, they carried on a campaign to befriend Castro. They persuaded the Organization of American States to lift its trade embargo, lifted some of the U.S. trade restrictions. They engaged in cultural exchanges. And then, on the eve of the Florida primary election, Mr. Ford went to Florida, called Castro an outlaw and said hed never recognize him. But he hasnt asked our Latin American neighbors to reimpose a single sanction, nor has he taken any action himself. Meanwhile, Castro continues to export revolution to Puerto Rico, to Angola, and who knows where else? As I talk to you tonight, negotiations with another dictator go forward negotiations aimed at giving up our ownership of the Panama Canal Zone. Apparently, everyone knows about this except the rightful owners of the Canal Zone you, the people of the United States. General Omar Torrijos, the dictator of Panama, seized power eight years ago by ousting the duly-elected government. There have been no elections since. No civil liberties. The press is censored. Torrijos is a friend and ally of Castro and, like him, is pro-Communist. He threatens sabotage and guerrilla attacks on our installations if we dont yield to his demands. His foreign minister openly claims that we have already agreed in principle to giving up the Canal Zone. Well, the Canal Zone is not a colonial possession. It is not a long-term lease. It is sovereign United States Territory every bit the same as Alaska and all the states that were carved from the Louisiana Purchase. We should end those negotiations and tell the General: We bought it, we paid for it, we built it, and we intend to keep it. Mr. Ford says dente will be replaced by peace through strength. Well now, that slogan has a a nice ring to it, but neither Mr. Ford nor his new Secretary of Defense will say that our strength is superior to all others. In one of the dark hours of the Great Depression, Franklin Delano Roosevelt said, It is time to speak the truth frankly and boldly. Well, I believe former Secretary of Defense James Schlesinger was trying to speak the truth frankly and boldly to his fellow citizens. And thats why he is no longer Secretary of Defense. The Soviet Army outnumbers ours more than two-to-one and in reserves four-to-one. They out-spend us on weapons by 50 percent. Their Navy outnumbers ours in surface ships and submarines two-to-one. Were outgunned in artillery three-to-one and their tanks outnumber ours four-to-one. Their strategic nuclear missiles are larger, more powerful and more numerous than ours. The evidence mounts that we are Number Two in a world where its dangerous, if not fatal, to be second best. Is this why Mr. Ford refused to invite Alexander Solzhenitsyn to the White House? Or, why Mr. Ford traveled halfway round the world to sign the Helsinki Pact, putting our stamp of approval on Russias enslavement of the captive nations? We gave away the freedom of millions of people freedom that was not ours to give. Now we must ask if someone is giving away our own freedom. Dr. Kissinger is quoted as saying that he thinks of the United States as Athens and the Soviet Union as Sparta. The day of the U.S. is past and today if the day of the Soviet Union. And he added, My Job as Secretary of State is to negotiate the most acceptable second-best position available. Well, I believe in the peace of which Mr. Ford spoke as much as any man. But peace does not come from weakness or from retreat. It comes from the restoration of American military superiority. Ask the people of Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary all the others: East Germany, Bulgaria, Romania ask them what its like to live in a world where the Soviet Union is Number One. I dont want to live in that kind of world; and I dont think you do either. Now we learn that another high official of the State Department, Helmut Sonnenfeldt, whom Dr. Kissinger refers to as his Kissinger, has expressed the belief that, in effect, the captive nations should give up any claim of national sovereignty and simply become part of the Soviet Union. He says, their desire to break out of the Soviet straightjacket threatens us with World War III. In other words, slaves should accept their fate. Well, I dont believe the people Ive met in almost every State of this Union are ready to consign this, the last island of freedom, to the dust bin of history, along with the bones of dead civilizations of the past. Call it mysticism, it you will, but I believe God had a divine purpose in placing this land between the two great oceans to be found by those who had a special love of freedom and the courage to leave the countries of their birth. From our forefathers to our modern-day immigrants, weve come from every corner of the earth, from every race and every ethnic background, and weve become a new breed in the world. Were Americans and we have a rendezvous with destiny. We spread across this land, building farms and towns and cities, and we did it without any federal land planning program or urban renewal. Indeed, we gave birth to an entirely new concept in mans relation to man. We created government as our servant, beholden to us and possessing no powers except those voluntarily granted to it by us. Now a self-anointed elite in our nations capital would have us believe we are incapable of guiding our own destiny. They practice government by mystery, telling us its too complex for our understanding. Believing this, they assume we might panic if we were to be told the truth about our problems. Why should we become frightened? No people who have ever lived on this earth have fought harder, paid a higher price for freedom, or done more to advance the dignity of man than the living Americans the Americans living in this land today. There isnt any problem we cant solve if government will give us the facts. Tell us what needs to be done. Then, get out of the way and let us have at it. Recently on one of my campaign trips I was doing a question-and-answer session, and suddenly I received a question from a little girl couldnt have been over six or seven years old standing in the very front row. Id heard the question before but somehow in her asking it, she threw me a little bit. She said, why do you want to be president? Well, I tried to tell her about giving government back to the people; I tried to tell her about turning authority back to the states and local communities, and so forth; winding down the bureaucracy. [It] might have been an answer for adults, but I knew that it wasnt what that little girl wanted, and I left very frustrated. It was on the way to the next stop that I turned to Nancy and I said I wish I had it to do over again because I Id like to answer her question. Well, maybe I can answer it now. I would like to go to Washington. I would like to be president, because I would like to see this country become once again a country where a little six-year old girl can grow up knowing the same freedom that I knew when I was six years old, growing up in America. If this is the America you want for yourself and your children; if you want to restore government not only of and for but by the people; to see the American spirit unleashed once again. 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inflation cause recession unemployment go real prosperity recovery stop fight symptom start fight disease s cause inflation government spend government take cure balanced budget ah tell percent budget uncontrollable fix law pass congress law pass congress repeal congress congress unwilling not time elect congress soon take office mr ford promise end inflation declare war inflation don win button whip inflation unfortunately war start soon mr ford win button appear tv promise absolutely allow federal deficit exceed billion incidentally billion big previous deficit d later tell billion learn billion come white house proposal billion tax cut match billion cut propose spending present spending propose spending new budget question question billion new budget cut place unfortunately washington not feel pain inflation matter fact government make profit inflation instance july congress vaccinate pain quietly pass legislation president sign law automatically give pay increase congressman time cost living go nice d think arrangement like rest example correct great unfairness exist tax system today cost live pay raise keep purchasing power move high tax bracket mean pay high percentage tax reduce purchasing power year inequity government take billion undeserved profit income tax year ll well not time congress look welfare spending policy cause inflation begin fee painful effect repeal congresss automatic pay raise leave incentive curb inflation let look social security mr ford say want preserve integrity social security differ world like restore integrity social security depend continual reduction standard live inflation strip increase benefit maximum benefit today buy few loaf bread maximum payment month meantime social security payroll tax unfair tax worker pay woman discriminate particularly work wife people reach social security age want continue work allow lose benefit believe presidential commission expert appoint study present plan strengthen improve social security s time person contribute social security lose dime leave subject economic problem let talk unemployment end inflation long range lasting answer problem unemployment washington establishment answer problem tax policy harass regulation confiscation investment capital pay deficit keep business industry expand meet need provide job need live great depression look unemployed person compassion great tragedy breadwinner willing work job skill unable find market job skill dark depression day see father christmas eve open think christmas greeting boss instead blue slip tell long job memory sit hold slip paper say half whisper s christmas present stay long live problem unsolved energy short time ago line gas station turn thermostat washington announce project independence go selfsufficient able provide energy need time import small percentage oil arab boycott cause half million americans lose job plant close lack fuel today year later project independence project dependence congress adopt energy bill bad lead believe mr ford veto instead sign instantly drill rig land start shut time history import oil produce americans lay s boycott energy bill disaster sign effort campaign suggest not real difference mr ford believe difference fundamental approach government richard nixon appoint vice president mr ford congressman year concern necessity welfare congressional district adult life washington establishment adult life spend outside government experience government year serve governor california nation california economic power world today governor inherit state government situation new york city state payroll grow dozen year rate seven thousand new employee year state government spend million millionandahalf dollar day take state great water project unfinished underfunded half billion dollar predecessor spend entire year budget medicaid month fiscal year learn teacher retirement fund unfunded billion liability hang property owner state not know d elect governor appoint receiver california face insolvency verge bankruptcy increase taxis come hard feel taxis great burden tell people increase mind temporary soon d return money life think seek hold public office m sure happen mind citizen represent fellow citizen institution government turn people politician help instead committee screen applicant job citizen recruiting committee tell committee want administration man woman want government career d tell government job unnecessary happen young man aerospace industry dissolve department month hand key office tell d need department day miss not know reason seek people not want government career dr parkinson sum book bureaucracy say government hire ratcatcher thing know s rodent control officer entire year lose feeling represent people cicero call arrogance officialdom kind watchword begin think government instead ve long believe attitude beneficial washington not stop get administration rank people ask help expert people great field citizen volunteer form task force go department agency state government modern business practice government efficient economical responsive give average day apiece time away job career cost taxpayer eighteen specific recommendation implement sixteen recommendation governmentbythepeople prove work people work end year turn incoming administration balanced budget million surplus virtually number employee d state year increase population give department twothird increase work load water project complete million leave bond triple rating high credit rating teacher retirement program fully fund sound actuarial basis keep word taxpayer return rebate tax cut billion million believe california washington government faith people let bring common sense bear problem bureaucracy not solve believe people mr ford place faith washington establishment evident appointment congressman longtime government worker position administration not believe problem necessarily well qualified solve problem truth washington take function not truly belong case failure understand m speak program logically administer state local level welfare classic example voice raise urge federalization welfare not realize failure welfare federal interference washington not know people welfare cheater get check know check send rule find get check california welfare problem sixteen percent welfare recipient country draw check state send welfare check family decide live abroad family receive check russia caseload increase people month year try control runaway program frustrate bureaucrat california washington turn citizen task force result comprehensive welfare reform attempt year reduce roll people save taxpayer billion increase grant truly deserve needy average percent carry successful experiment believe answer welfare problem nation ablebodie welfare recipient work useful community project return welfare grant let look housing washington try solve problem poor build lowcost house far tear half home build school america create local level administer local level year great public school system world call federal aid education call federal interference education loser quality decline federal intervention increase create bitterness example force bus achieve racial balance bear hope increase understanding reduce prejudice antagonism m sure approve goal busing fail achieve goal instead increase bitterness animosity suppose reduce californias superintendent public instruction wilson rile black say concept black child not learn sit white child utter complete nonsense agree money waste social experiment well spend provide kind school facility child deserve forced bus end legislation possible constitutional amendment necessary control education return local school district day mr ford come gun control washington dc attorney general propose sevenpoint program amount gun control not think make difficult lawabide citizen obtain gun lower crime rate criminal find way california think find answer law practical gun control convict have gun possession commit crime add year prison sentence bureaucracys excess great laugh costly laugh twentyfive year ago hoover commission discover washington file million report year report report independent business people shopkeeper farmer file billion report year require washington amount billion piece paper year add billion year cost business washington loud promise blizzard paperwork good year increase percent problem solve meaningless speak problem national security nation danger danger grow great pass day like echo past voice winston churchills grandson hear recently britain house common warn spread totalitarianism threaten world democracy wander aim wander aim describe united states foreign policy angola case point give support encourage fight die little chance win dislike winner distrust loser view world weak unsure dente twoway street suppose tell soviet union stop troublemaking leave angola angolan not work way tell washington drop word dente keep policy call policy s fault policy mr fords new ambassador united nations attack longtime ally israel asia new relationship mainland china practical benefit side not mean include yield demand administration reduce military presence taiwan longtime friend ally republic china reveal seek establish friendly relation hanoi palatable tell help learn fate man list miss action s doubt government obligation end agony parent wife child ve live long uncertainty demand hanois patron saint soviet union dente meaning present reason friendship violate promise provide information hypocrisy day mr ford dr kissinger take hint invasion cuba laugh ridiculous idea ridiculous idea suggest policy year carry campaign befriend castro persuade organization american states lift trade embargo lift trade restriction engage cultural exchange eve florida primary election mr ford go florida call castro outlaw say d recognize not ask latin american neighbor reimpose single sanction take action castro continue export revolution puerto rico angola know talk tonight negotiation dictator forward negotiation aim give ownership panama canal zone apparently know rightful owner canal zone people united states general omar torrijos dictator panama seize power year ago oust dulyelecte government election civil liberty press censor torrijos friend ally castro like procommunist threaten sabotage guerrilla attack installation not yield demand foreign minister openly claim agree principle give canal zone canal zone colonial possession longterm lease sovereign united states territory bit alaska state carve louisiana purchase end negotiation tell general buy pay build intend mr ford say dente replace peace strength slogan nice ring mr ford new secretary defense strength superior dark hour great depression franklin delano roosevelt say time speak truth frankly boldly believe secretary defense james schlesinger try speak truth frankly boldly fellow citizen s long secretary defense soviet army outnumber twotoone reserve fourtoone outspend weapon percent navy outnumber surface ship submarine twotoone outgunne artillery threetoone tank outnumber fourtoone strategic nuclear missile large powerful numerous evidence mount number world dangerous fatal second good mr ford refuse invite alexander solzhenitsyn white house mr ford travel halfway round world sign helsinki pact put stamp approval russia enslavement captive nation give away freedom million people freedom ask give away freedom dr kissinger quote say think united states athens soviet union sparta day past today day soviet union add job secretary state negotiate acceptable secondbest position available believe peace mr ford speak man peace come weakness retreat come restoration american military superiority ask people latvia estonia lithuania czechoslovakia poland hungary east germany bulgaria romania ask like live world soviet union number not want live kind world not think learn high official state department helmut sonnenfeldt dr kissinger refer kissinger express belief effect captive nation claim national sovereignty simply soviet union say desire break soviet straightjacket threaten world war iii word slave accept fate not believe people ve meet state union ready consign island freedom dust bin history bone dead civilization past mysticism believe god divine purpose place land great ocean find special love freedom courage leave country birth forefather modernday immigrant ve come corner earth race ethnic background ve new breed world americans rendezvous destiny spread land building farm town city federal land planning program urban renewal give birth entirely new concept man relation man create government servant beholden possess power voluntarily grant selfanointed elite nation capital believe incapable guide destiny practice government mystery tell complex understanding believe assume panic tell truth problem frightened people live earth fight hard pay high price freedom advance dignity man live americans americans live land today not 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This bill replaces the existing Head Start program with block grants to states and Indian tribes for prekindergarten (pre-K) education. Instead of providing direct financial assistance to Head Start agencies, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) shall allot block grant funds for pre-K education among eligible states and tribes in accordance with their relative proportions of children, age three, four, or five, from low-income households. Grant recipients shall use the grant funds to (1) award subgrants to eligible entities that provide pre-K education programs; (2) administer such programs; and (3) provide technical assistance, oversight, monitoring, research, and training. Under current law, HHS is authorized to designate, monitor, and establish standards for Head Start agencies. The bill instead shifts pre-K program oversight and control to states and tribes. In addition, to the extent permitted under state law, grant recipients may use grant funds to establish (1) portable voucher systems that allow costs to be paid for attendance at private pre-K education programs; and (2) an education savings account that allows a parent of a low-income child to use a portion of the grant funds, or other available public or private funds added to the account, for expenses related to pre-K education. Under current law, federal financial assistance for a Head Start program is generally limited to 80% of total program costs. The bill maintains this limitation by requiring grant recipients to provide matching funds equal to 20% of the grant amount.

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bill replace exist head start program block grant state indian tribe prekindergarten prek education instead provide direct financial assistance head start agency department health human service hhs shall allot block grant fund prek education eligible state tribe accordance relative proportion child age lowincome household grant recipient shall use grant fund award subgrant eligible entity provide prek education program administer program provide technical assistance oversight monitor research training current law hhs authorize designate monitor establish standard head start agency bill instead shift prek program oversight control state tribe addition extent permit state law grant recipient use grant fund establish portable voucher system allow cost pay attendance private prek education program education saving account allow parent lowincome child use portion grant fund available public private fund add account expense relate prek education current law federal financial assistance head start program generally limit total program cost bill maintain limitation require grant recipient provide matching fund equal grant

Speeches, etc. One of the most hackneyed of political quotations is Disraeli's dictum that the Tory party “is a national party or it is nothing.” Yet it means more than the obvious truths that Conservatives must put the interests of the whole nation first and must seek their electoral support among all classes and sections of the community. It means also that the party cannot long survive unless its policies are in tune with the deepest and best instincts of the British people. Two electoral defeats in a year do not represent total disaster; but they could prove to be the beginning of a disastrous decline unless Conservatives have the courage and humility to examine the reasons for their defeat and ask themselves in what respects they have failed the British people. To deny that we failed the people is futile, as well as arrogant. Successful Governments win elections. So do parties with broadly acceptable policies. We lost. I was a member of the last Conservative Cabinet, from 1970 to 1974, with a share in the collective responsibility for its policies. It seems to me that this involves a further responsibility—to recognise the failures and to try to see that the mistakes are not repeated. Probably no Chancellor, faced with the mass of conflicting advice that poured in during the early 1970s, could have got the balance between unemployment and inflation exactly right. The same problem faces Mr Healey now—and it looks as if inflation is going to win again. Yet two lessons do emerge from our own experience. The first is that in the long run rapid inflation is the worst enemy and must at almost all costs be brought under control. The second is that we must never again allow a preoccupation with macro-economics and industrial growth to blind us to the day-to-day problems of ordinary people, in all walks of life. Politicians should not be either professional efficiency experts or amateur industrial consultants. Their concern is with people, and they must look at every problem from the grassroots, not from the top looking down. International interest rates must be thought of in terms of the young couple's mortgage as well as of the balance of payments. Politicians must be equally wary of political ideologies. It is not our business to plan the educational system as a sociological abstraction. Our job is to see that children and young people receive the education they need. “Equality of opportunity” is a poor guide if it means the same mediocre schooling for all. The object is to provide a varied system which will give every child the best chance to develop individual intelligence and talents. As Secretary of State, I encouraged the Direct Grant schools, and tried to prevent the destruction of good maintained grammar schools, because they had provided a unique and irreplaceable educational ladder for the bright children of poor parents. Socialist policies now will create a new class of deprived children. I was attacked for fighting a rearguard action in defence of “middle-class interests.” The same accusation is levelled at me now, when I am leading Conservative opposition to the socialist Capital Transfer Tax proposals. Well, if “middle class values” include the encouragement of variety and individual choice, the provision of fair incentives and rewards for skill and hard work, the maintenance of effective barriers against the excessive power of the State and a belief in the wide distribution of individual private property, then they are certainly what I am trying to defend. This is not a fight for “privilege;” it is a fight for freedom—freedom for every citizen. The Capital Transfer Tax proposals could destroy—or nationalise—a medium-sized family business in two generations and a small farm in one. Industry and agriculture would increasingly become either State-controlled or concentrated into larger units. And experience has shown that neither process makes for long-term efficiency or good labour relations. Worse still, if both saving and enterprise are penalised, those who can do most to increase the prosperity of the workers will simply take their money and their skills abroad. Mr Healey makes no pretence that his proposals will re-distribute wealth in favour of the poor—only in favour of the State. In the end they will destroy all wealth, to the detriment of all. If a Tory does not believe that private property is one of the main bulwarks of individual freedom, then he had better become a socialist and have done with it. Indeed one of the reasons for our electoral failure is that people believe too many Conservatives have become socialists already. Britain's progress towards socialism has been an alternation of two steps forward with half a step back. If every Labour Government is prepared to reverse every Tory measure, while Conservative Governments accept nearly all socialist measures as being “the will of the people.” the end result is only too plain. And why should anyone support a party that seems to have the courage of no convictions? I cannot agree with those of my colleagues who attribute our loss [end p1] of support in industrial areas to a “middle-class image” and the provisions of the Industrial Relations Act, urging us to pin our faith on “industrial democracy” and “co-partnership.” I do not believe these panaceas mean much to many workers. If management is bad and does not adequately consult its workers, it deserves to fail. Our job is to create conditions in which good management can succeed. We lost because we did not appear to stand firmly for anything distinctive and positive. Sneering at “middle-class values” is to insult the working class no less than the bourgeois. Do British workers have no deep feelings for freedom, for order, for the education of their children, for the right to work without disruption by political militants? Of course they do. And if they are no more than cash-grabbing anarchists, then we must all bear some of the responsibility and try to show them the way back to sanity. But I do not believe they are. Most of them want to do a fair day's work in a job that gives them satisfaction—and strongly resent what they regard as State subsidies to shirkers. Most of them deplore violence, truancy and indiscipline in schools, and cannot understand the complaisance of some of the middle-class intellectuals who run the schools. Of course we must try to understand the causes of violence and protest, and try to remove them. But the violence itself must be checked, for it menaces the freedom and the rights of the majority. My kind of Tory party would make no secret of its belief in individual freedom and individual prosperity, in the maintenance of law and order, in the wide distribution of private property, in rewards for energy, skill and thrift, in diversity of choice, in the preservation of local rights in local communities. Size is not all, any more than economic growth is all. Even efficiency is not enough. People come first—their needs, their hopes, their choice, their values and ideals. We have to understand these first—to be seen to be listening with sympathy and concern. It is important to be able to lead, certainly. But you cannot for long lead people where they do not want to go. “Only connect” ? Perhaps this is the first essential. It seems to me that our connections have come loose. 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New Series ‘Convicting a Murderer’ Exposes Media Manipulation Published: 9/9/2023 So it's been a huge weekend for DailyWire. Last night in tandem with Candace Owens, we premiered the first episode of our most anticipated series to date, Convicting a Murderer is our new 10 part docuseries. It covers the national sensation of the true crime case involving Steven Avery. You'll remember him from Netflix's Making, a Murderer where he was portrayed as an innocent victim who's being targeted by corrupt law enforcement. Unfortunately, that representation of him was not holistic or accurate. Hollywood's depiction of the murder of Theresa Halback and Steven Avery's involvement in it was selective at best. They left out mountains of evidence that implicated Avery in the crime. They got parts of phone calls. They misrepresented witness testimony, all to perpetuate an agenda, which at the time was the anti-police movement. If you remember, when Making a Murderer came out, it was at the same time as Black Lives Matter was on their eyes. I mean, we shouldn't be surprised by this nonsense propaganda coming from Hollywood. All you had to do was look at the facts of the case yourself. You would've seen a tinge of reason. You would see that this guy was obviously guilty. I've said from the time the documentary came out, just so we're clear, I tweeted about it at the time. He's also in jail for the crime, by the way, he was convicted. Hollywood is so effective at eliciting emotional reactions outta the public. However, there are still people advocating for Stephen Avery's release. That's why it's necessary that people like Candace Owens come in and expose the agenda of the media, tell the truth, reveal the fact all the evidence and information omitted in Making a Murderer is showcased in Convicting, a Murderer. I sat down with Candace on, I showed to discuss with her what she uncovered and how it really is just a case study on what's happening in the larger battlefield of media. Take a look. So why don't you talk about, first of all, what led you to want to, you know, hone in on this story? You get a lot of stories that come across your desk, but this is the one that really drove you enough to wanna make a full on docuseries about it. Yeah, You know, I think I've, I've demonstrated just a general interest in media perception, and I think it's fascinating. It's a study in human psychology, and we can all pretend we're above it, but we've all been subjected to brainwash. So you go from greatest lie ever sold, focusing on the George Floyd story, which really was a psychological phenomenon. Everyone genuinely believed this man was innocent. It was killed with the hands of police. And it's, it's really in that exact same vein where there was just really this anti-police sentiment, which I think the media was seizing upon. And Netflix just right place, right time, recognized a story that was in fact, interesting. You had a man, Steven Avery, who was put in prison, wrongfully convicted the first time or crime he did not commit, which was the rape and attempted murder of another woman who wrongly pointed him out in a lineup. And so I think people wanted to believe that, well, maybe that the justice system got it wrong twice, and that when he was walking free and got con, you know, got accused of another murder, they needed to believe that this is just completely wrong and Ms. Man is innocent, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. And then you had two documentary makers, two, you know, liberal women, lesbians from New York who went down there and decided, this is it. We're gonna bring this to Netflix to super interesting story. And what we're going to do is omit details, very necessary details like, hmm, similar to George Floyd had three times level of fentanyl in a system that could have possibly killed a horse, maybe relevant, but let's not talk about that because we're insisting on a different narrative. And that's definitely what drew me to this particular story. Can you give us just a taste of sort of the, the stuff that either wasn't presented to the public in Making, a Murderer, or was actively changed? I think one of the things that they were really brilliant at these two documentary makers was deceptive editing, I think would be the right term, which is to say that even if they're showing you parts of the court testimony, you're thinking that you're watching a person respond. Like there's a moment where they're sitting in the courtroom and the police officer gets asked a question and they show you that he gets sort of tight and it, it looks like he's lying, right? So you have all these commentators like, well, you, you see his reaction. He was asked that question. Well, in reality, that wasn't even that his response to that particular question, they just used him sitting up at a different moment and put it next to a question that he was asked at a different time. But even with Brennan Dae, people were led to believe that he was innocent. He led to believe that he was stupid, led to believe that he was manipulated. And I believe that he was manipulated, but it wasn't from the people that are heavily suggested by Making a Murderer. He wasn't manipulated by anybody from, in my opinion, other than the documentary makers and his own uncle. That will probably be the most fascinating element for people that are willing to have the humility to explore how perhaps they were duped. Like I said, we, we've all been there before. I love the opportunity to change people's minds. 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Fighting For Our Lives | Former PM Naftali Bennett Published: 11/26/2023 Tell you a, a story about a guy called Ben Shimo. This guy lives in was in Be Sheva. He was at the party, the, that big party in Rahi, where the, there was the big massacre. He, he had a car. He, he said to a bunch of folks, get in my car. And he evacuated them out to be Sheva, saved five lives. And then he said, well, I'm going back. And his girlfriend said, you can't, don't go back. Don't go back. He went back, evacuated another five people, saved their lives back to be Sheva. Went back a third time to the, into harm's way. He, he didn't owe anything to anyone. He didn't have to. He's a, he's a citizen. He is not a soldier. He is not even a policeman. On the third time, he took a bullet and died. And I just met his, his mom. This is the highest degree of courage that I've seen. But like Ben, I've seen about a hundred different cases of, of courage that even I Prime Minister of Israel. And, you know, I fought, I was a commander in, in special Forces. I've never seen this degree of courage In the wake of the devastating kamas attacks of October 7th, which saw the tragic loss of over 1,200 Israeli lives, mostly civilians as well. As, the kidnapping of another 240 people by Hamas we're joined by a figure central to Israeli politics and international diplomacy. Naftali Bennett Bennett, born in 1972 in Haifa to American immigrant parents has been a dynamic figure in Israeli politics. His journey is marked by a transition from a high achieving soldier in the Israeli defense, Forces Elite, say Al and Maglan units to a successful tech entrepreneur. Bennett's political ascendancy began as chief of staff for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, followed by his leadership of the Jewish Home Party and then the new w right party reflecting his evolving political philosophy. He served in various ministerial roles, including Minister of economy, religious services and education, showcasing his versatility and commitment to Israel's development. As the 13th, Prime Minister of Israel. And later the Alternate Prime Minister Bennett has navigated through tumultuous times, marking his tenure with significant decisions on domestic and international fronts. His approach to leadership, technology and defense has been influential, making him a key figure in understanding the complexities of the Israel Hamas conflict and Middle Eastern politics at large. During his time in office, Ben faced a myriad of challenges and opportunities. He famously formed a unique coalition government bringing together a diverse array of eight political parties, combining right and left Jewish and Arab religious and secular factions. In. this episode we'll dissect the events of October 7th and the ongoing war. In an attempt to understand their implications on the future of Israel and the Middle East, we'll discuss ongoing strategies to navigate the conflict. And we'll be shedding light on the intricate dynamics of Middle Eastern politics and the path forward in these tumultuous times. This is more than just an interview. It's an essential dialogue in a time of crisis. Welcome to the Sunday Special Former Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, thanks so much for joining the show. Really appreciate it. Great To be here, Ben. So You're telling me a little bit earlier before we started that you've had a, a busy day that you were down south, near the, near the Gaza Strip. What, what was that like? What's going on down there? Well, I make it my business to go down every two, three days to meet the soldiers, soldiers that just came out of Gaza and are on their way back to meet the communities down in the south. 'cause I, I, I wanna have a touch of what's going on. By and large, IDF is operating very well. I'm, I'm impressed, doing very good and effective tactic advance in, in the northern part of Gaza. At this moment still, IDF is primarily operating at the northern half of Gaza that that's been evacuated of civilians, of Gaza civilians. So about a million Gaza moved southward. We did that according to international law, that we have to evacuate them from harm's way and we're killing a lot of Hamas snakes. At the same time, I'll say the, the, you know, bottom line verdict, from my perspective, it's gonna take a a while. It's gonna take months. And because we have to clean up all of Gaza from Hamas, we have to eradicate Hamas. Totally. This is one of the things that I think people need to understand is, is how difficult, what Israel is trying to do actually, is it's not a situation in which you have uniformed officers of an opposing military who are out in the field of attempting to to fight you. It's a situation in people are merging into the civilian population, not only hiding on in tunnels, but I would assume that since there are so many civilians who have been mobilizing to the south of Gaza, some of the people who are mobilizing the South, I would imagine are people who are also attempting to escape the Israeli cordon and move down into the South. And so that does raise the question of what happens once Israel has basically cleans up the north. Again, it's bereft a population largely what happens now that you, you have to move down to the south. I assume there's gonna be a similar population transfer back to the north because it, Egypt has not been opening the Rafa gate. So what exactly happens when you move down to the south? Well, not necessarily to the north, but I assume IDF will arrange some humanitarian areas or, or safe havens that we believe are in a good geography, and then we will take care and isolate a certain part, take care of it, and so on and so forth. IDF is, is really bending over backward to prevent unnecessary harm to civilians on the other side. It's remarkable to see how much effort Hamas is putting in to increase not only the Israeli death toll, but the Gazen death toll. They are literally shooting at Gazen that are trying to evacuate. They are preventing gazen civilians from evacuating for evacuating certain neighborhoods, hospitals, et cetera. And In fact, just yesterday I saw evidence of Hamas terrorist walking with children as human shields. This is a new footage from just yesterday and, and in, in an area that the only reason to be there is to fight. So they, they were not evacuating the kids, they were using the kids as human shields. From their understanding, the higher the Gazen death toll, the closer we will be to a ceasefire. They're wrong. But that's their assessment of, you know, western media and western pressure. So they're actually trying to pump up the gas in death toll. I mean, this, this is such a major issue and you've been spending an enormous amount of time talking to media that are largely oriented against Israel. Whether you're talking about the United States, where you're talking about the BBC and, and the, the real reason, a as you know, you've argued, I've argued the same that the Hamas Knicks are, are attempting to get as many ga and civilians killed, is because they understand the math. They understand that if they can make Israel out to be an military that's committing war crimes or that's targeting civilians, then they can actually defend Hamas Hamas knows that and they're playing directly into the teeth of, of the media and then providing them with propaganda that suggests that Israel is doing just that. What what's amazing is how either gullible or nefarious the media are to, to believe these claims. It it is truly a frustrating experience. I know for me it's a frustrating experience watching it and covering it. I can't imagine how it must be for you. Well, In Israel we're used to it. It's, it's always been this way. And, you know, not only are we fighting an asymmetric war where one side being Israel abides to international law, and the other side, Hamas is a terror group who explicitly goes out to murder civilians. And then we're told again and again, well, okay, but you guys are not like them. So we expect you to save the, the lives of Gazen. Our our goal is to defend our own lives first and foremost. And yes, we wanna reduce the amount of collateral damage, but there will be collateral damage. This is very difficult. We are abiding by international law, fully abiding by international law whenever we hit a target there. There's a reason we never deliberately shoot at the civilians. But we have to understand that we're we're facing someone who explicitly wants to raise their own numbers of death. They are not sensitive to death of their own people. And they'll also say something that might not be very popular, and this is unfortunate, I wish it were not the case, but it turns out that not an insignificant portion of the population in Gaza is highly, highly supportive of high Hamas and of the atrocities they did. Now, I'm not saying this as a, a reason for us to target civilians, we don't, but it's more complex. Someone pretend that the Gaza population was hijacked by mean Hamas, and we've got this population who is, is all just seeking peace. I wish that were the case. It's not, You know, that point has a lot of relevance for, for all the questions that are being asked prematurely about what happens the day after. Because Israel obviously is trying to distinguish between civilians and, and Hamas. Again, that's a very difficult proposition given the fact that Hamas explicitly does not engage in the rules of war. They're not willing wearing military uniforms, they're embedding directly among civilians. People slide in and out of membership of Kamas pretty easily. And you saw that even in October 7th when civilians were literally crossing the border from the Gaza Strip into these towns in the Gaza envelope and participating in the carnage. I mean, there were civilians who were participating in the, in the slaughter, in the, in the looting, and then going right back into the Gaza Strip. And that makes it very difficult for Israel to even tell sometimes who is the civilian and who is not the civilian, and that that's a nearly impossible task. But that By the way, Ben, that that's a very good point that I I wanna elaborate on. Some of the worst atrocities were actually conducted by civilians that came in, Gaza civilians that came in in, in the third wave. The first wave was a wave of what's called the Hamas commando. Second wave was a wave of what we call simple soldiers. And the third wave was just an all out pogrom. Some of the worst atrocities were actually done by these Gaza civilians. Now, you know, the, the, the general opinion in, in Israel has, has shifted dramatically since October 7th because now left and right, everyone in Israel now realizes something that not everyone realized beforehand, that we're dealing with a degree of hatred of just poisonous hatred against Jews and against Israelis that is so deeply entrenched in the psyche of the masses in Gaza and of our enemy. We in Israel, again saying that this very royal we, but many in Israel had been under the impression that if the lives of the Gazen will be good enough and they have a good enough economic future, et cetera, et cetera, gradually this will go away and it simply is not the case. Yeah. Again, that, that, that has implications for, for the day after. There is a poll that there's only one poll that's actually been done in the Gaza Strip and, and the so-called West Bank of, of the Palestinian Arab who are living there. And what it found is that 75% of all Palestinian Arabs supported the October 7th attack. 78% wish to see the complete destruction of the state of Israel. Hamas has about a 76% approval rating in these areas after October 7th. Much, much higher than the Palestinian authority or any other supposed governing entity that's leaving aside the fact that the Palestinian authority itself has been downplaying the atrocities. They claim just this week that the atrocities that happened at the music festival were actually caused by Israeli helicopter gunships as opposed to Hamas itself. And people I think need to understand the nature of that conflict in order so that they can even have a logical conversation about what happens when Israel achieves its goal of fully deposing the power of Hamas. I mean, I I assume when you say it's gonna take months, I think the reality in the Gaza Strip is it's gonna take years because Israel is going to have to embed in the Gaza Strip indefinitely. Because when you have a population that is thorough goingly, anti-Semitic, which by polling data they are, and when that population is, is filled with, with people who, if left to their own devices would start to act on behalf of that ideology, again, Israel is going to have to essentially treat the Gaza Strip in much the same way that it has to treat Janine or Nalu or many of the, the places in the West Bank. That that's correct. I guess one, one good way to view Gaza and Hamas is an analogy to the Nazi regime in Germany. The Nazi regime enjoyed very widespread support of, of the German population. Not everyone, but many and a sure majority. And then imagine after years of incitement and of brainwashing, they enjoyed very, very broad support. Therefore, the, the defeat of Nazi Germany had to be a, a full, you know, unconditional surrender. And then there was a process of several years of deification in order to reeducate the people to, to new values. And, and we're gonna have to go through a similar process, and it can take quite a few years. It could take easily four or 5, 6, 7 years to, to dify the education system, the media and, and, and see that people beget begin to If you will detox themselves from thinking that Jews are pigs and, and devils because as long as they think that they're gonna continue wanting to kill us, Does Israel have any allies in, in that particular effort? Because it seems like you're seeing pressure from particular sources, including apparently the Biden administration to push for a Palestinian authority led negotiation in the West Bank or in the Gaza Strip, which is in, in many ways practically hilarious. I mean, they have effectively no presence in the Gaza Strip as it is because Kamas literally killed everybody who was a member of Fatah back in 2006, 2007. So, so it's, it's bringing in a foreign body. And that foreign body also happens to govern a nearly ungovernable area that has similar levels of antisemitism in the West Bank. So it's substituting an entity that is not quite Hamas, but certainly is not a traditional civilian led government that is willing to make peace. If they hadn't been willing to make peace, then they would've in the past when Malcolm Abbas was literally sitting across the negotiating table from Former Prime, Minister Hu Ulmer, who offered pretty much the entire thing and Abbas got up and walked away, those are the people that the Americans are now apparently counting on, at least in some of their rhetoric to come in and, and sort of handle the negotiations. And that raises the question of, you know, whether Israel's gonna have to do this alone, single-handedly, or whether a coalition can be built maybe with the Abraham Accord countries. Because the one thing that can't be done is to hand this thing back to the U-N-R-W-A, I mean the U-N-R-W-A has been a front group for Hamas in the, in the Gaza Strip for a very long time. The schools that are run by the U-N-R-W-A are chalk filled with the anti-Semitism and hatred for Israel. And, and so Israel is gonna have to take a, a much stronger hand in the, the institutions of civil society. It would be nice if they had some allies in that effort who are not already toxic. I think that's exactly right. Look, we on, on critical issues, we're gonna insist, because ultimately it's our defense, our security. Let, let's remind ourselves of, of the basic fact in 2005, Israel un know laterally evacuated the entire Gaza Strip down back to the 1949 green line to the very last centimeter. We pulled out our soldiers, we pulled out all the Israelis living in communities there, and we handed the entire Gaza Strip over to the Palestinian authority. Guess who led it, say mah Abba. So we did precisely that. And keep in mind that back then the Palestinian authority was much stronger than it is now. What happened was, in 2006, I believe there were Elections held in, in Judean, Samari and Gaza, the entire Palestinian population. And Hamas enjoyed a full majority out of 132 seats in the Palestinian parliament, Hamas got 76, that's an absolute majority. Also, the Gaza representatives had an absolute majority, I believe 10 out of 15 seats. And then about a year following that, Hamas took over in a coup and Akutan just killed a bunch of PA folks. The current Palestinian authority, when I say pa, that's the Palestinian authority, is much more feeble, much more corrupt than, than it was back then. So, you know, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. We're not gonna do the same thing again. We're just not gonna do it. And you're right about UN R-U-N-R-W-A, that, that's the, for our listeners, that's the, the United Nation, Oregon, which is dedicated to, supposedly to helping the Palestinian refugees. In fact, what it's doing is internalizing the Palestinian refugee problem. But here's the irony, this, you, United Nations, Oregon is responsible for inciting antisemitism in the brains of a whole generation. So it's as if in 19 45, 19 46, during the Marshall Plan, we would've handed the west, would've handed the education system back to the Nazis to educate another generation of Nazis. That, that, that would just be stupid. So we're not gonna do stupid stuff, even if our good friends think otherwise, we'll persuade them. But one way or another, we're gonna do what's right. However, at the same time, I wanna tell you Ben, we don't wanna govern and manage the lives of 2 million people. So it's not as if we wanna run their lives. No, no. Israeli has that desire. So what we're gonna need to do, and and you alluded to this, is build a structure probably based on Abraham Accord partners and some form of alliance to, to find first stage a technocratic government that can, you know, run the show, take care of, of taxes, of energy, of water, of education, of sewage, of, of taking garbage, you know, doing all the basic services, any modern state needs. And we're gonna have to do that for a few years until we If you will dify Gaza Strip, and then figure out a structure which may be a democratic structure, may not be a democratic structure. You know, there's some non-democratic structures in the Middle East that are more successful than the democratic ones. We're gonna have to figure out. We don't have to make that decision right now. What I can tell you is that the pa is, is the worst candidate to do that. We'll get to more with Prime Minister Naftali BenneBulletproof nd. First, The world has witnessed heinous attacks by Hamas terrorists against innocent Israeli citizens. This most recent attack was massive and devastating, killing over 1000 Israeli men, women, children including babies. Thousands more have been injured, kidnapped, and held hostage. Hamas, a sworn enemy of Israel will stop at nothing to slaughter every last Jew and claim Israel as their own and then move on to the West. But there's a beacon of hope amidst the chaos. The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews is on the ground right now providing critical essentials like food, medicine and other emergency supplies for vulnerable Jews who need immediate help. But the need is urgent. This great organization needs your help right now to Donate. Please go to Ben for the fellowship.org and give as generously as you can. Write it down. That's been for the fellowship.org. There are people in tremendous need in Israel right now. I know many of them, many of them are fleeing from the north out of the range of Hezbollah rockets. Many of them have fled from the the Gaza envelope. They need your help. Go to Ben for the fellowship.org. Thank you. So I wanna talk in, in order about some of the other threats that Israel's facing on its other borders. And then I sort of wanna reverse course talk about the beginning of the conflict. What led to, what led to this failure on the part of the Israeli security establishment, the failure of imagination here, and how Israel sort of internally has changed what that means for The world. So to talk about the other threats on, on Israel's borders, obviously you have the, the threat that that exists in the West Bank that is not an insignificant threat and people are pretending that it is. The reality is that Israel's expending extraordinary resources. Actually Judean sumaria, the, the so-called West Bank up to October 6th. In fact, one of the, the sort of things that led to October 7th was the fact that Israel was so focused on the roiling undercurrent of violence that was happening in Judean, Samaria knife attacks and gun attacks. And all of that was happening for months. I mean, I visited Israel obviously in the, in the weeks in immediately prior to October 7th. I got home the morning of October, of October 6th. And you know, the, the focus when I was there was on security in the West Bank. The West Bank is a, is a very difficult area to govern. It's got, it's, it's extremely non unitary. I mean, you have cities that are, that are, that are not linked to each other. You have places, but, but at the same time, you do have a lot of cross traffic, especially around Jerusalem. You have a lot of cross traffic from Palestinian areas to Jewish areas. No cross traffic from Jewish areas, Palestinian areas 'cause If, you drive into those areas, then presumably you'll be killed. There's giant red signs on the side of the road that tell you as much. And so whenever people say it's an apartheid state Israel, it's like, well, there's only one actual group of people who put the giant, who insist on giant red signs that say, If, you drive in here, then you might be murdered. But the, when, when it comes to the West Bank, what is Israel's plan there? You mentioned the Palestinian authority is on its last legs, or at least incredibly weak. Malcolm Debas is 88 years old. He, it is not as though he in, in his ravaging charismatic person is, is holding things together. He's, he's, you know, widely seen and correctly seen as, as an elderly corrupt oligarch. And it's not clear who's gonna take over for him. It's not clear if, if open conflict breaks out in the West Bank between members of, for example, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, members of what's a smaller group called the Lions Den. There are a bunch of terrorist groups that are operating in the region and there is no organized nont group that's operating in terms of governance over there. So what is Israel's plan over there? So the plan for Judeen, Samaria, ak, the West Bank is, would be similar to the one in Gaza. We ultimately don't wanna govern the Palestinians, but at the same time, we wanna ensure that we secure Israel. And keep in mind that in Judean Samaria, there's 550,000 Israelis currently living there and about 2 million Palestinians. But the good news is they live in, in separate areas by by and large. So we don't have to mix too much between that. We should minimize friction and we need to ensure that there's a, a stable and competent civilian organ right now. Look, right now the PA is there. It is what it is. And and we have to ensure that the pa deifies itself in, in two dimensions. One is education. And, and it's really important because this is something that we tend to sort of say. It sort of bores everyone. All right? Yeah, the Palestinians in sight. It is what it is. No, it's not, not now. We've learned that incitement actually brings people to dismember babies, to burn families, to, to rape women out of nationalistic or religious hatred. And the second thing is, the pa currently pays terrorists post fact after they've murdered Jews. It pays them basically, according to the number of years that you're in jail, which is also according to the number of Jews you've killed. So If, you kill more Jews, you get paid more. Now, this sounds really crazy, but it's a reality as we speak right now, every month the terrorists get paid or their families get paid. And, and that's crazy that, that's simply crazy because it incentivizes folks to, to go out and kill Jews. And, and it's also a, a measure that that reflects on the nature and the character of the Palestinian authority. But Ben, if, if I may, I, I wanna zoom out one moment because we, we, we sort of zoomed into Gaza Strip and, and, and to Judean Samaria. But the big picture is indeed a, a bigger picture. And if I may, this'll take one minute to explain. We have an octopus of terror in the Middle East, and right now we're viewing each of its arms individually, but it's actually one octopus. So we need to set aside the microscope and just look at it with a full view. The head of this octopus is in Tehran, it funds trains arms and instructs its arms to hit and shed blood for Israel. Now it's got its tentacles of, of this octopus are manyfold. There's one tentacle, one arm of the octopus is Hezbollah that sits on Israel's northern border in Lebanon. It's got two more arms, Islamic Jihad and Hamas that sit in the Gaza Strip. Just to make a point here, a hundred percent of Hezbollah's military budget comes from Iran. A hundred percent, a hundred percent of Palestinian Jihad. Islamic Jihad comes from Iran. 20% of Hamas funds come from Iran. Then you have the ti in Yemen, and you have militias in Iraq and in Syria. And they, they've built a very convenient methodology to, to hurt Israel as a representative of the free world in the Middle East. And so Iran, they sit quietly enjoy life back into Iran, the corrupt mullahs. And the these arms hit us through Lebanon and through Gaza primarily, but also West Bank and others. I've been, since I was a soldier and a commander, and later on in security cabinet, this has frustrated me because I felt that we're fighting the wrong war. We're playing to their strategy. They want us to fight the arms and shed blood. And that's what's happening right now. Now, right now, I don't think we have much of a choice, but when I was Prime Minister, I affected a new doctrine. I called it the Octopus Doctrine, which said, as far as I can, I wanna not fight wars in Lebanon and Gaza, and I wanna go to the hit the head, go for the jugular. And according to foreign sources, during my tenure, Israel was hitting hard targets in Tehran, not only related to the nuclear project, for example, when, when they tried to hit us with UAVs or advanced drones, suddenly a few days after, according to foreign sources, a whole drone base was destroyed on Iranian soil. When they tried to kill Israelis in Turkey and Cyprus, suddenly a com, a commander of their terror unit was assassinated in the, in the heart of Iran, because I noticed something very interesting, the Iran and Iran Iranians, the Iranian regime is much softer than its arms A family in, in Iran, you know, you know how many kids they have, two, two kids. They, they've modernized their soft. And I still believe that this is the right approach. Strategically, we, we should we, we have this Cold war going on between us, us, and Iran. And now we need a, a strategical of toppling that regime. I'm saying this explicitly in the past, I didn't say it. I think all of the energy that we're expending in Gaza and in Lebanon, we'd be better off focusing on the very head and strangling it. And then ultimately the, the arms would die away for lack of, of resources. So let, let's talk about that because I was about to move to the north and talk about Hezbollah. You're talking about, you know, going after Iran instead, what capacity would Israel have to have in order to actually take out the regime in Iran, obviously both the Trump administration and the Biden administration have been very reluctant to go directly up against Iran, despite the fact that America is a tremendously powerful country, militarily, obviously the IRGC, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps is very large. They seem very loyal to the iOS, which is part of the problem. I i is there any prospect of, of rebellion from within the IRGC? Because it seems like in the Middle East, that's really the only way they end up with a regime replacement. It's not as though popular uprisings in these places tend to alone topple the regimes. And we've seen literally hundreds of thousands of Iranians in the streets over the past few years, and that has effect effectively accomplish very little with regard to changing the nature of the regime in Tehran. So what sort of, what sort of Forces could be applied against the Iranian regime in order to, in order to topple that regime or, or replace it? So that's a very good question, Ben. And the, the answer is, I view it very similar to the Cold War. Where of the Middle East where Israel is, is If, you will the America of the Middle East, the free nation democracy with a vibrant economy and growing economy. And then you have the Soviet Union If, you will, the, the Iranian corrupt old out of, out of contact with people regime incompetent, not delivering services, not not being able to deliver water to certain tracks of land in, in Iran. And, and ultimately, if If you use that analogy, and, and I would, there are ways to accelerate the demise of this very, very rotten regime beyond the fact that ideologically it's horrible. And I'm talking about many dimensions. I'm talking about covert, overt eec, economic warfare, diplomatic warfare, and indeed also what we call, you know, a actual physical warfare. But I'm not necessarily suggesting that tomorrow we physically attack Iran. There are many ways to enhance and accelerate internal unrest. For example, I, I don't want to give too many examples, but I, I'll just go back to open up the, the textbook of what America did to the USSR in the eighties. It empowered Solidarity, which was in, in Poland, it was underground, and, and gave them tools to, to be much more effective. What if the free world, and this cannot be an Israeli project alone, it needs to be done with in collaboration, of course with our biggest ally America, but what if we empowered internet communication tools, arms to, to the various groups, and next time there's mass demonstrations, they're much more effective. This time, the Iranian regime just turned off the internet and, and internet connections and WhatsApp and Telegram all crashed. But there are ways to solve all of this, and this is just the tip of the iceberg. So my point, Ben is if we set this and we finally understand that the epicenter of, of evil and unrest and terror of this entire region and beyond that, the, the rest of The world is actually the Islamic Republic of Iran, I think we can work out a, a, a reasonable plan to, to make this happen within a reasonable timeframe. I, I, I can't put a stopwatch on it. We'll get to more with Prime, Minister, Naftali, Bennett in just one second. First, we'll have someone in our lives that it's hard to find the perfect gift for maybe they can afford to buy what they need. Maybe they don't like gifts. Maybe you've known them for a long time and you ran out of ideas. But If, you are a business owner and you need to grow your team. You perfect gift is simple. You want a smart hiring solution. So look no further than ZipRecruiter right now. ZipRecruiter is gifting it to you for free at ZipRecruiter dot com slash Ben guest. Now you might be asking how ZipRecruiter is even a gift to those who are hiring. ZipRecruiter uses smart matching technology to identify the most qualified people for a wide variety of roles. ZipRecruiter let's top candidates know when they're a great match for your job and encourages them to apply. And the bow on top If, you see a candidate who is a great match for your job, ZipRecruiter makes it easy to send them a personal invite so they are more likely to apply. Get your hiring wrapped up quickly with ZipRecruiter. Four out of five employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate within day one. Just go to this exclusive web address right now, Try ZipRecruiter for FREE at ZipRecruiter dot com slash Ben guest, again, that's ZipRecruiter dot com slash B-E-N-G-U-E-S-T ZipRecruiter, the smartest way to hire, it's an interesting approach given the fact that it does look like there is a, a shot clock that's already going with regard to Hezbollah. What I mean by that is that if, if you're Iran and Hezbollah is effectively your forward operating arm, and, and for folks who don't understand, Hezbollah is the, it's effectively a terror group in control of the country. They're, they're in control of Lebanon. They control the, the Southern Lebanon border, which is right on, on Israel's northern border. They have about 200,000 rockets that are pointed into the interior of Israel. Tens of thousands of those, maybe up to 50,000, are sophisticated rockets that actually are capable of targeting as opposed to the dumb rockets that, that were being fired from the Hamas controlled territory. In, in the Gaza Strip. They, they have significant military capabilities. They have a very large army of their own. They're effectively a military, but again, a, a much larger, more powerful military actually than, than Hamas was able to deploy in, in this or any other war i it. Let's say that Iran arrives at a nuclear weapon, it seems at that point then the possibility of Hezbollah getting fully into a war with Israel rise pretty dramatically because then the idea would be that if Israel fights back too strongly, then Iran would, would threaten to either fire a nu or, or, or hand off a nuke to, to one of its allied groups. So that means that the clock is sort of going with regard to Hezbollah and after what just happened with Hamas, how long does Israel have before it either has to take out the Iranian regime if they can, or take out Hezbollah, because it, the, the fact is right now there are 30,000 Jews who have evacuated from the north of Israel are not living in their homes. They can't last indefinitely. Correct. So I I think the clock is ticking on the Iranian nuclear program. And I think that's the main point that that, that that's the main lever. And you're absolutely right that we can't allow that to happen. They don't have yet nuclear arms, but they've made tremendous progress over the past five years. And, and I have a sense that I, I would put it this way, I think it's not enough to say we won't allow Iran to, to acquire nuclear weapons there, there's much more that can be done on the Israeli Washington Alliance to prevent this from happening. I, and, and to some extent, sometimes it seems it's sort of lip service saying that, that we're not gonna have Iran acquire this, but there's many, many actions that have to happen. So we ensure that that Iran doesn't acquire a weapon, a nuclear weapon before the demise of its regime, sort of a, a race between what would happen first. I am not talking about weeks or months, it could be years. But we have to ensure that, that they don't achieve that. It, it would be a disaster not only vis-a-vis Hezbollah and Israel. It would turn the entire Middle East into a nuclear nightmare because everyone would go nuclear and, and they would cite self-defense as a reason. The Saudis would go nuclear, Turkey, Egypt, everyone would go nuclear. And then you've got the craziest region on earth, the most unstable region on earth with hundreds of nuclear weapons. So the next nine 11 would be a nuclear nine 11, and it would be in Manhattan or in Boston or in San Francisco. If, if there's a lesson learned from nine 11 and October 7th, the combined lesson is these guys will do anything. So it's not about affecting their motives, it's about preventing them capabilities to, to do harm. So let's talk about the linkage between anti westernism and anti-Israel sentiment. So I think the temptation for a lot of people in the West is to say, well, it's happening very far away. It's happening over there. It has nothing to do with us here in the United States or, or in England or in France, who really caress, you know, sure, the Israelis are good, sure Hamas is bad, but the easiest thing to do is sort of wash your hands. What do we care? Blood and treasure? There's, there's no reason for us to sacrifice either one of those. And, you know, Israel is strong enough to, to sort of take care of itself. So what's the big deal? How do you answer that question? That's a very good point. And I answered with the historic evidence. We've, he, he, here's the bottom line. The radical Islamic terror innovations, the startups happen in the Middle East. If, you will, were the accelerator, but then they go public in Europe and America, let me illustrate this, the innovation of hijacking airplanes started in the Middle East in the seventies and hit the rest of The world. Then there was an innovation, another Islamic radical Islamic innovation of, actually it was Fatma in the early nineties of suicide terrorists that blow up, blow themselves up in vehicles, et cetera. So it started here, but it was exported very handily to Manhattan on September 11th. And I was in Manhattan on that day and to London and to Madrid. And, and then you can go on now, the new startup is, it's a new form of terror, I would call the mob terror that evolves into pogrom, into unblocked slaughter. This, i I, I would almost guarantee this will happen if we don't, or we're not allowed to eradicate Hamas, because what the way it works these days certainly is terror. It, it happens in a wave. You, you have the initial startup, then a bit of inspiration and, and you have your first attack. Then second, third and fourth after the fourth, you can get into dozens of attacks. So it's sort of like, you know, this wave of accelerated pace of, of terror. If it succeeds, however If, you nip it in the butt very early, then it doesn't evolve into this wave. That's why anyone watching this that is sitting in Minnesota or Belgium or Florence for that matter, has a big interest in truncating and severing this wave early on before it, it, it, it goes public in the west. Now in that sense, Israel's doing your job. We're doing your job. We're unfortunate to to be the neighbors of these lunatic radical Islamist terrorists. But in many countries, in The world, there's considerable Islamic populations that also consist of portions that harbor radical Islamic ideas. Not everyone by, by any stretch of imagination, but some of them. And if it succeeds here, you're gonna see copycats. So what I would do if I was a leader of any western country is help Israel win. Certainly not a condemn or, or trying to bring upon a, a so-called ceasefire, which is really the dumbest thing in The world because we had a ceasefire, they attack. Now we're attacking back and we have to win. And you can't seize the fire before we eradicate Hamas. If The world tries to force us to that, and god forbid succeeds, it's coming soon. One of the things that I think this, this entire conflict has exposed is an extraordinary level of, of moral gap all over The world. I I'm not sure I've ever seen as much moral clarity as you see in this moment when you see people marching hundreds of thousands strong through western capitals in favor of Hamas and, and when people are chanting from the river to the sea, what they're chanting is in favor of Hamas. This attempt to sort of distinguish the quote unquote Palestinian cause from Hamas, that's something the protestors themselves don't attempt to do. The protestors never say Hamas needs to be replaced. So we can have a two-state solution. That is not a thing that any protestor I've ever seen has said. Instead, they're making the case that Israel needs to stop killing Hamas so that from the river to the sea can, can eventually be quote unquote liberated. And by liberated they mean completely dominated by Toronto Islamic fascist regime. It's, it's, it's absolutely insane. When we talk about moral clarity, I wanna talk about it in, in a couple of different contexts. One, I wanna talk about it in the context of Israel, where there's a new sort of reawakening of moral clarity. And then I wanna talk about it in the west, and then I wanna talk about the lack of it in the media. So let's start with with Israel. So as I mentioned, you know, I've been spending a lot of time in Israel for the Jewish holidays recently and until October 7th. The, the kind of narrative in Israel is that Israel was uniquely divided, fractured. There was a lot of irresponsible, and I think rather disgusting talk about civil war in Israel, which I thought was ridiculous on its face, considering that everybody who's lon, everybody who's secular there has a cousin who is, who is Dazi Lumi. I mean, it's just, it's too small a country. There was certainly an enormous amount of dislike and enormous amount of, of anger. But the reality is that, again, even people who are secular in Israel celebrate Shabbat and even Dazi, Lumi, meaning people who are, are orthodox, who are not Haredi, they're, they're serving the military as well. But that was the, the nature of, of the debate. Debate was all about these internal fractures and was the state going to survive these internal fractures and all this kind of stuff. And then October 7th happens and the entire state comes together in a way that it really has not ever, I mean the, the, the, the last predicate for this might be 48, the War of Independence. But even there, I think it would be hard to say that that Israel has come together in the same way that it, that it has right now, as I've been talking about in some of the speeches I've been giving. I mean, whether you're talking about secular Jews who are putting on CTO in order to show solidarity, or you're talking about Haredi who are starting to join the army, you know, the, the, the kind of solidarity that, that, that has snapped into place. Amazing. I wonder, If, you wanna talk about that solidarity on a social level, that social cohesion and also the ideological recognition that I think a lot of Israelis where we're snapped back into, which is that Israel is surrounded by enemies that actually wanna slaughter it and that security is, is the order of, of concern that always has to come first. How does that mindset shift there? Well, I think you've hit the nail on the head. Those are the precise two eureka moments. If, you will for, for the Israeli public, the, the first one. And here I differ a bit in, in, in the sense that I, I do think we were heading to a horrible, horrible place. Not saying people would shoot each other, but we were, we were tearing ourselves apart and, and wrongly so. And, and because of a lack of ability to compromise, and everyone's sure that he's the only one, right? And, and here, you know, shame on us. And, and in a sense, I, I actually think that this year, leading up to October 7th, so divided us and so weakened our immune system, our defense systems, our enemies saw that and attacked. This is clear to me that, that our attention was diverted from what's important. We were not focused on, on the real things. We were just killing ourselves from within. And, and, and we know that our enemy was paying close attention, waited for, for the weakest moment and, and hit us. So we've awakened from that and, and I, I think it's vital that we don't revert back to the, you know, to the polarization we were undergoing before. And, and it's, it's, I know right Now, it seems that we're never gonna revert back because we took such a big blow. But when I look at historic precedents, things do tend to settle back into the good old or battled, you know, frames that, that, that we're used to, and that that would be a disaster. We have to transcend it. Look, I myself, harbor right of center opinions. If, if I were living in America, I would be considered a moderate Republican. Okay? Those are my personal opinions regarding many things, economy, nation, state, et cetera. But having said that, it's gonna be vital to, to put together a, a very broad unity government moving forward, setting aside the disagreements as as, as long as we can, and focusing on restoring security, reviving our economy, and even leaping forward in many ways possible. The second point that you said is, is also clear all of us, all of us right and left, we sort of tended to forget that we're surrounded by, by people who wanna dismember our bodies that wanna burn us alive. And it, it's no longer a cliche, it's no longer a platitude. Th this is reality. It happened, it happened a deliberate, massive slaughter attack. And by the way, shame on us for allowing this to happen. This is, we have to admit the, the reality as it is, it's a massive failure of the state of Israel to have allowed this to happen. This is precisely what Israel was established to prevent, to prevent Jews being slaughtered without protection. But at the same time, and the reason I'm, I'm optimistic, is that while it's our darkest hour, I have to say, and I didn't know this, it's also our finest hour. The people on ground that I've been meeting, including earlier today down in Za and in other kibbutzim fighters, the degree of personal courage and generosity that I've seen is something that I didn't think exists in our generation. I think I, I tend to thought, I tend to think that it was, you know, the War of Independence. They were the real heroes then the six day war. They were the real heroes. I am se seeing heroism, for example, just earlier today, tell you a, a story about a guy called Ben Shimo. This guy lives in was in Be Shiva. He was at the party, the, that big party in Rahi where the, there was the big massacre. He, he had a car. He, he said to a bunch of folks, get in my car, and he evacuated them out to be Sheva saved five lives. And then he said, well, I'm going back. And his girlfriend said, you can't, don't go back. Don't go back. He went back, evacuated another five people, saved their lives back to be Sheva, went back a third time to the, into harm's way. He, he didn't owe anything to anyone. He didn't have to, he's a, he's a citizen, he is not a soldier. He is not even a policeman. On the third time, he took a bullet and died. And I just met his, his mom. This is the highest degree of courage that I've seen, but like Ben, I've seen about a hundred different cases of, of courage that even I Prime Minister of Israel. And, you know, I fought, I was a commander in, in special Forces. I've never seen this degree of courage. Why am I telling you this Ben? Because it means that we have huge potential to, in, in this nation. It's an amazing nation of goodwill, of generosity, of sacrifice, of toughness, of ingenuity, innovation. We, we, we can turn Israel into the most amazing country on earth. And we can, I know it looks crazy to be talking about this right now, but we can, and it's our choice. So that's why I'm, I'm very optimistic because while we had a, a total failure of, of the institutionalized organs of the country, the government, the et cetera, et cetera, the people have shown amazing, I would say, you know, strength and, and, and, and that's why I'm optimistic. We, we, we've got the material to to to move forward. Folks, our conversation continues for our daily Wire plus members right now. If you'd like to hear the full conversation, click that link at the top of the episode description and join us at daily Wire plus.com.

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Morning Wire: Government Assistance Report & Plant-Based Meat Sales Spoil | 12.30.22 Published: 12/30/2022 Hey guys, we won't be releasing an episode of the Ben Shapiro Show today, but to keep you informed on the biggest news of the day. Here's today's episode of Morning Wire, another show we have here at Daily Wire, where you get the news you need to know every day in 15 minutes or less. Check it out. An eye-opening new report found that government assistance programs in some states can pay out more per year than most people's salaries. We hear from one of the authors of the report and discuss the program's impact on the workforce and the economy. I'm Daley Wire editor in Chief John Bickley with Georgia Howell. It's Friday, December 30th, and this is Morning Wire Beyond Meat Launch to Incredible success in 2019. But now consumers seem to have lost their appetite for plant-based foods. What's next for the Impossible Burger and other Meat Alternatives? And a high school student lost out on potential college scholarships because his principal hid his high test scores. We take a look at how equity policies are impacting students. Thanks for waking up with Morning Wire. Stay tuned. We have the news you need to know. Start the new year off right with Black Rifle Coffee. Black Rifle is all the best brewing gear, thermos mugs and apparel designed for folks who love country and coffee. Go to black rifle coffee.com. Use promo code wire for 10% off coffee merchandise, apparel, or when you sign up for a coffee club subscription. Again, that's black rifle coffee.com promo code wire for 10% off Black Rifle Coffee Supporting Veterans and America's Coffee. A report published this month details how government assistance programs in each state are affecting the workforce and the implications are significant. Here to discuss the report's findings as daily wire reporter Amanda Presta Giacomo. Hey Amanda. So tell us about the top line findings here. Hey, John. So the committee to Unleash Prosperity and Economist found in nonprofit, they analyze how unemployment benefits an Obamacare subsidies in each state stacked up against employed people's compensation. The writers of the report found that these two benefits could total up to $120,000 per year for a family of four $120,000. I think that's pretty surprising. Yeah, it was really shocking. We're talking about really big numbers here, and let me illustrate these with some more hard numbers. In 14 states, including North Dakota, Colorado, Montana, and Minnesota unemployment benefits and Obamacare subsidies were found to be the equivalent to ahead of household earning $80,000 in salary. In other words, a spouse would have to earn more than $80,000 a year from a 40 hour a week job to have the same after tax income as certain families with two unemployed spouses receiving government benefits. The three states with the largest benefits were Washington at nearly $123,000. Massachusetts at $117,000 in New Jersey at nearly $109,000 for the year. There were only five states where these two benefits were equivalent to under $50,000 for the year. And that was in Mississippi, Florida, Tennessee, Arizona, and Louisiana. What can you tell us about the ACA or Obamacare subsidies in particular? The report found that these expanded subsidies were really substantial. I spoke to Heritage Foundation, economics Research fellow, EJ and Tony, a co-author of the report about who qualifies for these benefits, and here's what he had to say. You have certain places in the country where you can make over a half a million dollars and you still get these subsidies. So far from being a a hand up to the poor. This has turned into a handout for the middle and upper income classes. And in fact, I think if people knew that, I don't think we would have anywhere near the support for a lot of these programs that you see today. And what about Covid O'S role in this? How much did the pandemic play into these numbers? Well, you would think that we'd see these welfare benefits drastically decrease as we move further away from the pandemic, but this report didn't show that at all. A lot of these boosts are still in place across the country Now. The workforce or or labor participation has been an issue for the Biden administration and continues to be. How does that connect to this report? Yeah, that's right. Well, right now we're sitting at 62% labor participation. That's 1.5 percentage points below pre covid levels, which means we're around 4 million people below the trend line number pre pandemic. And Tony said these sustained assistance boosts clearly serve as a disincentive for people to rejoin or join the labor force. You know, you may be a machinist, you may be a truck driver, even even something like a, a secondary school teacher, let's say you're teaching high school. Very oftentimes you are making less than the people who are sitting at home not working. I asked San Antonio about how he might balance providing a safety net to Americans while avoiding disincentivizing work. He said this would depend on how much government involvement the American people would want. But he also pointed to reforms made in the 1990s under former President Bill Clinton, who partnered with Republicans in Congress to make some major changes. I think the blueprint there would be looking at what the Republican Congress and the Democrat President Bill Clinton did in the 1990s when they reformed welfare. And they said, the age of big government is over, and it was work fair, not welfare. But I truly believe there's, there's a component here that is damaging to the human spirit because work has dignity and without that, we lose a part of our dignity, in my opinion. So do we expect these numbers to change anytime soon? Well, without reforms, we really can't expect different results than we're seeing now. But we could at least expect some pushback from A G O P LED house over spending or assistance measures made through executive orders by President Biden. One thing that comes to mind would be student loan forgiveness. Right. Amanda, thanks for reporting. Yeah, anytime. That was daily wire reporter, Amanda Presta Gimo coming up the fake meat fiasco. Hey guys, producer Brandon here. If you can skip this ad, it means you've already found the roughly five minutes it takes to secure your children's future with Epic will. That's right. In just five minutes, epic will will help you create your will and testament living will, and even a healthcare power of attorney. Go to epic will.com and use promo code wire to save 10% on Epic Will's complete will package again, that's epic will.com and use promo code wire After bursting onto the scene with a multi-billion dollar valuation and promises of revolutionizing the food industry. Plant-based meat company Beyond Meats has announced mass layoffs after a year of cratering profits. Here with the details is Daily Wire Senior editor, Cabot Phillips. So Cabot, I remember a lot of people talking about Beyond Burgers around 2020, but a lot less since then. What happened there? Yeah, so we'll get to those mass layoffs in a bit. But first, just to give a quick recap on the industry as a whole. Plant-based meat has been around for decades, but things really took off in the last five years as new technology led to products that advertisers promised would revolutionize the food industry. And for the first few years, there was a serious reason for optimism. Fast food chains, like you mentioned, started offering plant-based meat and tens of thousands of grocery stores started carrying more meat alternatives. But the best example of the emerging industry was Beyond Meat. They launched in 2019 with what the Wall Street Journal called quote, one of the most successful initial public offerings in more than two decades. So it was a big deal. Within a year, they had hit a 10 billion valuation and other similarly successful companies started popping up around the country. The meat revolution seemed well underway, Right. But we don't really hear much about Beyond Burgers these days. What happened? Yeah. Any momentum the industry had over the last decade appears to have vanished. Last year there was a 10.5% drop in sales for refrigerated meat alternatives, and we've started to see mass layoffs across the industry. For example, impossible Foods let go 6% of their workforce and beyond meats. The golden child of the industry cut a fifth of their entire workforce last month. That comes after a year where their sales last quarter plummeted 21% compared to the same quarter last year. We also saw McDonald's cancel their plans to introduce a mc Plant Burger after saying that their research showed low demand for the product and Plantera Foods. The plant-based meat business sold by Kroger was shut down entirely last month. Now, what's behind the sudden Dropoff in interest in these products? Well, it's really a combination of a few things. First, it's just expensive to produce fake meat by the pound. Plant-based meat is still twice the cost of beef and four times the cost of chicken. Industry leaders say their goal is to reach the price parody with Real meat within the next year. But keep in mind, they've been offering a similar message for about the last five years or so, promising that as they streamline the process and start to scale up, costs will come down. But they just haven't. Now a number of companies are calling for government subsidies to help them bring the costs down, but there are other barriers hurting the industry. First and maybe most important is the taste. A number of surveys have shown that people just aren't crazy about the flavor and more importantly, the texture of what's on the market right now. And there's also a growing body of evidence showing that beyond meat and other meat alternatives just cannot provide the same nutritional benefit as regular meat. That along with a number of recent studies showing that most Americans, especially older folks and childbearing aged women, are more likely to develop nutrient deficiencies and other health problems from exclusively plant-based diets, which is really crippling when you take into account that the industry has sort of built itself as a healthier alternative to meat. Right. Well, on that note, I know I had heard some talk about the chemicals in the meat as well. Yep. And there was also a lawsuit that Beyond Meat faced over concerns that they were inflating the amount of protein that was going into their products. So there's a legal side to this as well. Now, what does the future of the fake meat industry look like right now? Well, if they only rely on vegetarians and vegans, obviously their ceiling is pretty low because at best, that limits their customer base to about a 10th of America. So the main thing right now is whether they can convince current meat eaters to give their product a try and then keep them on board after that. And look, there are still plenty of companies that are optimistic about the industry as a whole. Bloomberg, for example, has 166 billion forecast over the next decade for the plant-based market. So it's down, but certainly not out. Alright, Well, fascinating stuff. Cabot, thanks for reporting. That was Daley Wire, senior Editor, Cabot Phillips. Recent reporting reveals that the principal at one of the country's top high schools had a policy of hiding students academic awards for years, in some cases preventing students from pursuing scholarships. They were eligible for The principal of Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology, as well as the school's director of student services followed a policy of withholding student awards in an attempt to foster a more equitable culture at the school. Here to discuss the situation is Daily Wire Senior Editor, Ash Short. So Ash, how did all of this come out? The situation was uncovered by attorney Shauna Yasser, whose son's a student at the school in part era of American Ya's son took the PSAT last fall, and his score made him eligible for a National Merit Award, which is a prestigious award that is associated with significant college scholarships. Unfortunately, Yasser was not told that he won the award until after the application deadline had passed for early decision college applications at the schools he had chosen. Yashar later learned that the information was purposefully withheld by school administrators. His mother investigated the situation further and discovered that this was in fact part of a school policy. Now, what was the purpose of withholding that kind of information about academic awards? Well, this is the same school that has dropped d and F grades and worked to eliminate the merit-based and mission test altogether. The school district recently adopted a policy of equal outcomes for every student without exception. And it appears that downplaying of awards was in keeping with that policy. According to sources at the school, the official policy was for teachers to discreetly drop an envelope on the student's desk during homeroom with a notification of the award. But in this case, that didn't happen in the timeframe necessary for Yasha to receive the benefit. Many other students were not notified at all. The Director of Student Services, Brandon Kaska, stated that the school wants to quote, recognize students for who they are as individuals, not focus on their achievements and quote. He also added that the principal didn't wanna hurt the feelings of students who did not receive awards. And just some context. This principal who is responsible for notifying students about awards was also involved in the push to get rid of the admissions test, which she thought was hurting the school's diversity. Parents pushed back arguing that the new admissions policy would adversely affect Asian American students compared to other applicants. Now, how important are these awards and what's at stake if students aren't informed about them? Well, Yahoo's mother said the withholding was akin to theft by the state because these awards are tied to a lot of scholarship money. Not to mention a boost in college admissions, a parent advocate told the New York Post that withholding the awards this way could also be a civil rights violation, since most students at this prestigious high school are minorities. Now, obviously this is just one school. Is this a broader trend in education? This is the only school that is made the news for this specific policy, but based grading policies are pretty widespread, especially grade inflation. Just to give you a sense of how extreme it's getting. In some places, the Los Angeles Unified School District awarded as Bs and Cs to 73% of 11th graders in math. When state tests showed that only 19% were even on grade level. We see similar numbers at the middle school level. Baltimore two has been pushing students forward despite poor assessment scores. At one Baltimore High School, a whopping 77% of students were reading at an elementary or kindergarten level, yet they kept advancing to the next grade. All right. Well, Ash, thanks so much for reporting. That was Daley Wire, senior Editor as short. Well, that's all the time we've got this morning. Thanks for waking up with us. We'll be back tomorrow with the news you need to know Used. Car prices are dropping, but before you walk into a dealership, you've gotta check out kaza. Kaz is an online car shopping website with millions of listed vehicles by partnering with credit agencies, lenders, and dealerships. Kaz provides you with everything you need before stepping foot into a dealership. Visit kaza.com/wire today to skip the guesswork and find the best deals near you. That's kaza.com/wire. Well, that's all we've got here for you today. If you enjoyed this episode of Morning Wire, you can hear John and Georgia anywhere my show is available. 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Speeches, etc. Considered in Committee. [Mr. Sydney Irving in the Chair] Clause 1.—(Grants for public works.) Question proposed, That the Clause stand part of the Bill. Mrs. Margaret Thatcher (Finchley) We cannot let a sum of £900 million go without saying a word or two about it, although we did have some discussion on the subject this time last week. John NottThe Financial Secretary will remember that one of my hon. Friends asked him on that occasion a question—it was towards the end of the hon. and learned Gentleman's speech—to which, I believe, he has now found the answer. The question John Nottmy hon. Friend asked was what was the cost of holding the interest rate on borrowing through the Public Works Loan Board down to 5⅞ per cent. when probably the Government could not themselves borrow at less than 6½ per cent. I would be grateful if the Financial Secretary would let us know how much that cost the Exchequer. I would also like to know if he has any further information about how local authorities can plan their finances in the next financial year. If we allow this Committee stage to pass—which I assume we shall—the Treasury will be authorising the payment of about £900 million, of which in this financial year about £398 million net will issue from the Exchequer. That leaves about £500 million, which was the sum which the White Paper envisaged would be available in the fourth year of the scheme. Thus, the sums work out quite well, although the question is the basis upon which those sums will be made available to local authorities. In their planning, are local authorities to assume that the same percentage basis and the same method of calculating the quota will be available next year as has been the rule this year? Or perhaps the hon. and learned Gentleman will say when the discussions with the local authorities, which he mentioned, are [column 1744]likely to take place, whether they will be formal and how soon we are likely to know the results. I hope he will help us on these two points before we dispose of the Clause. The Financial Secretary to the Treasury (Mr. Niall MacDermot) On the first point raised by the hon. Lady the Member for Finchley (Mrs. Thatcher), I have answered a Written Question giving the answer in full. I am sorry that I have not got the precise wording, because these are matters for precise words, in front of me. As we estimated it approximately, as a result of the loans issued in the last financial year at the lower interest available for the quota loans, the amount which will be repayment in interest to the Board from those loans will be some £5 million a year less than it would have been if the money had been borrowed at the full rate of Exchequer loans. This is a temporary feature related to the high interest rates prevailing as well as to the high Bank Rate. When my right hon. Friend put up Bank Rate to 7 per cent. he explained to the House that he was proposing to leave the quota rate of interest at its present rate, particularly in order to help local authorities with their housing programmes. This is something which will be kept under review and must be regarded as of a temporary nature. The hon. Lady also asked what help or guidance we can give to local authorities for the coming year for the purpose of planning their finances. We discussed this, to some extent, on Second Reading and, as I indicated then, I am unable to predict at this stage what further measures or relaxations we will be in a position to make in the coming year towards the fulfilment of the White Paper policy. The only point upon which it is right to repeat the note of caution which I sounded on Second Reading is on the issue raised by a number of hon. Members about the possibilities of what I called evading the spirit of the new rules by 13 month loans entered into just before the end of the financial year. There are regular meetings between the Treasury and local authority representatives, when we discuss such matters, and this would clearly have to be discussed. I hope that we shall be able to reach agreement with [column 1745]them and find a suitable solution to what is a difficult problem. I hope that it will be possible to do this by the end of this year, so that they will know where they stand in any arrangements that they are making towards the end of the financial year. Fortunately we have this period of time in hand in which to carry out these discussions and I hope, reach a satisfactory agreement. Mr. Brian O'Malley (Rotherham) I hope the Financial Secretary will realise that his reply will have been very disappointing to local authorities who had been hoping to raise a larger percentage of their total borrowing from the Public Works Loan Board in the next financial year. As I originally understood the position in the White Paper, we were to go forward from year to year, from 20 per cent. to 50 per cent. When I spoke on the Second Reading of this Bill last week, my attitude was that of a number of my hon. Friends—we appreciated that there might be external considerations and general factors which justified the Government holding the quota rate at 30 per cent. for this year, but we were not then under the impression that the whole of the principles laid down in the White Paper were to be shelved, apparently on a permanent basis. Now we are told that there will be no promises for the next financial year to move to 40 per cent. By that time we should have been at 50 per cent. In examining the decisions of the Government and looking at the caution of the Government in this respect, we should bear in mind that wherever the capital borrowing of local authorities comes from, whether from the Public Works Loan Board or through the open market, the total pressure on financial resources remains the same. If the Treasury were looking at this because of external considerations and because of the general economic situation, what would have worried them most was the large amount of money at present being borrowed on unsecured short-term loans. Members of both sides would agree that this was a real danger to the position of the country and to the balance of payments position should chilly winds blow around us. To the extent that local authorities could increase their quota [column 1746]borrowing in the next financial year, this would assist the Government in cutting down or at least pegging the amount of the short-term debt of the local authorities. I hope that the hon. Gentleman will give very serious consideration in the months ahead to the possibility of allowing the local authorities to increase their quota borrowing from the Public Works Loan Board to 40 per cent. and to go along with the principles of the White Paper, so that we may deal with this problem of short-term debt more effectively than we have been able to do in the past and so that we can allow the local authorities to borrow money from the Public Works Loan Board, at least at the Government credit rate, rather than driving them on to the open market on both longer term loans and short-term loans at the more expensive rates which it is necessary to pay. Mr. Peter Hordern (Horsham) The hon. Gentleman the Member for Rotherham (Mr. O'Malley) has raised a number of important points with which I hope the Financial Secretary will deal. Both the Financial Secretary and the Chancellor, in his Budget Speech, said that the Government adhered to the general principles of the 1963 White Paper. They may be adhering to the general principles, but they are not putting it into any form of practice so far as we can see. The fact is that this year local authorities should have been allowed to borrow at the rate of 40 per cent. and at the rate of 50 per cent. in the following financial year. The Financial Secretary has said nothing at all about the Government's proposals on that longer-term strategy. We have the curious position that the Government are, on the one hand, subsidising local authorities to the extent that they are allowed to borrow from the Board at a special rate of interest, namely 5⅞ per cent., which is costing the Exchequer £5 million a year, while on the other hand they are restricting the local authorities total access to the Board. If the Government are saying that they adhere to the general principles of the 1963 White Paper, then local authorities and the House should be given some positive assurance that this is so. [column 1747] Can we have from the Financial Secretary a real indication that it is the purpose of the Government's plans to follow the lines of the 1963 White Paper, and to get the local authorities to borrow longer? The present position is, although short-term debt is worrying, the longer term debt is not all that long—it is only just over a year in many cases. We seek an indication of the Government's proposals for the future. Some indication must be given as to what extent they will allow local authorities further access to the Public Works Loan Board. Mr. MacDermot In answer to my hon. Friend the Member for Rotherham (Mr. O'Malley), I do not think that this will prove, as he suggests, a shock or disappointment to the local authorities. I believe that they understand that it has been, and must be, the practice that the Government can say for only a year ahead what access will be possible for the coming year. We cannot go, and cannot be expected to go, farther than say that we shall adhere to the strategy and policy laid down in the White Paper, which clearly my right hon. Friend the Chancellor did in his Budget Speech and which I repeated on Second Reading. What we are able to do next year remains to be seen. No doubt, if things go favourably, we may be under pressure, not merely to increase the expected 10 per cent., but to make good some of the 10 per cent. increase which we were not able to make good this year. One simply cannot predict at this stage what can be done next year. What is important from a longer term point of view is to make clear our adherence to the policy laid down in the White Paper which is aimed, within a five year period, at enabling the access to be increased to 50 per cent. The Government are firmly which we will try to fulfil as soon as we can. Meanwhile, as I made clear in answer to questions on Second Reading, it is estimated that the total borrowing requirements of the local authorities will be about the same as last year. The access which they will be able to get through [column 1748]the Board will still be substantial and the gross Exchequer issues for the coming year, estimated at £485 million, will still be £85 million in excess of the figure projected in the White Paper for this year. Therefore, I do not think that it is fair or right to suggest that there has been any departure from the principles of the White Paper. What we all hope is that we shall be able to make speedier progress in fulfilling the programme set down in the White Paper. Question put and agreed to. Clause ordered to stand part of the Bill. Bill reported, without Amendment; read the Third time and passed. Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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resource remain treasury look external consideration general economic situation worry large money present borrow unsecured shortterm loan member side agree real danger position country balance payment position chilly wind blow extent local authority increase quota column financial year assist government cut peg shortterm debt local authority hope hon gentleman consideration month ahead possibility allow local authority increase quota borrowing public work loan board cent principle white paper deal problem shortterm debt effectively able past allow local authority borrow money public work loan board government credit rate drive open market long term loan shortterm loan expensive rate necessary pay mr peter hordern horsham hon gentleman member rotherham mr omalley raise number important point hope financial secretary deal financial secretary chancellor budget speech say government adhere general principle white paper adhere general principle put form practice far fact year local 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Speeches, etc. The annual meeting of Friern Barnet Young Conservatives was held at the Town Hall on Friday, under the chairmanship of Mr. A. Weston. The Y.C. chairman Mr. H. Blatch spoke of the importance of the coming year in the political field and said that, although much had been done in the past year, much more effort must be put in during the coming year. Mr. Blatch spoke also of the social activities of the past year and paid tribute to the many people who had helped in the organisation and running of these occasions. Mrs. Margaret Thatcher, the Conservative prospective candidate for Finchley and Friern Barnet offered congratulations to all the Y.C.'s for their help, and impressed upon them the need for a very vigorous campaign before and during the election period and particularly if there is a General Election, which is expected this year. Councillor E. Fergusson Taylor was re-elected president and the following were also elected, chairman, Mr. Charles Ross; vice-chairman, Mr. John Gotts and Mr. Bryan Bowan; secretary, Miss Pamela Nevard; programme secretary, Miss Judy Gould; treasurer, Mr. Len Potts; membership secretary, Mr. Robert Fergusson, Press officer, Miss Marilyn Murcott. Committee, Mr. Haden Blatch; Mr. Philip Morgan; Mr. Jack Wright. Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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Speeches, etc. Mrs. Thatcher forecast a General Election in October 1977 when she spoke in Taunton yesterday. She said this would be when Mr. Healey 's cuts would begin to take effect. Commenting on the Chancellor's cuts, she said: “Mr. Healey has not taken the axe to public expenditure. He has to cut the Social Services to pay interest on money he should never have borrowed. “If less had been spent on nationalisation, more could probably have been spent on health. But dogma and party policy has been put first above the needs of ordinary people. “We know what we want to do as a Conservative Party,” she added. “There are two ways to run a country. One is towards Socialist Marxism and the other is to a free society. “The more you have nationalisation and the more the State takes choice away from the people, the further you are going to the total Socialist Marxist society. “The more you do that, the more you relinquish your freedom and income to the State.” Mrs. Thatcher said no nation in the world had prosperity unless there was free enterprise. Behind the Iron Curtain, people could not begin to approach the standards of Western life. “They have no freedom or human dignity,” she said. “We must reject anything that goes that way. The time has come to redress the balance.” In another major speech at Exeter, Mrs. Thatcher spoke of “the incompetent conduct of our home affairs by the Government,” which, she said “is damaging this country's world role.” She told a 500-strong audience that the country's reputation was being ruined by the way it was run, and that meant “we do not count abroad.” There was more at stake at the moment than economics and taxation. “It means we do not take our foremost place in the world,” she said. It was the Tories job to get the economics right to enable this country to then play its full part in the future of the world. “We have a great deal to contribute. Let us release our talents and put them to full use once again.” she said. But she warned that it would take two full-length Parliaments to “undo the damage which has been done and put Britain on the road to success once again.” She spoke on the way Britain's “Mr. Average” was being “savaged” by the Chancellor, and pledged that a prime task of the next Tory Government must be to limit the advancing power of the State over the lives, earnings, and savings of ordinary people. “A punitive level of taxation is self-defeating. It discourages the greater effort that Britain so urgently needs,” she said. It also caused a “brain drain” of people who had been highly trained at the taxpayers' expense. The unnecessarily high rates of tax struck at the very roots of the free society in which the Tories believe. Every time the Government took a bigger slice of our pay packet it took a bigger slice of freedom, she said, because the “inescapable condition” for the exercise of individual freedom was a measure of personal prosperity. And when this was undermined by the use of the tax system, then personal freedom and choice were diminished. “A person's pay packet belongs to him. It is not the Government to act as if it can take as much as it wishes, and hand back what remains to the taxpayer,” she said. And Mrs. Thatcher warned, “If personal economic freedom is slowly strangled, political freedom will not survive.” Sir Frederic Bennett, Torbay's MP, was present at the gathering, as was Exeter's MP Mr. John Hannan, and the member for the Tiverton division Mr. Robin Maxwell-Hyslop. Mrs. Thatcher's first call yesterday on her Westcountry tour was to a Taunton factory which makes gun sights. The “Iron Lady” expressed great interest in the work carried out at Avimo Ltd. and was shown the various stages in the manufacture of weapon sights and pistons. One worker explained the workings of a milling machine used to make windows for tanks. Avimo is one of the fastest growing companies in the United Kingdom, having won many export orders. Mrs. Thatcher was accompanied round the factory by managing director Mr. Roy Mountain and Taunton's MP Mr. Edward du Cann. Later, she mingled with about 700 Party members at a coffee morning in the County Hotel. One brought along a present for the Tory leader—a corsage of game bird feathers. Welcoming Mrs. Thatcher to Taunton, Mr. du Cann spoke of the security surrounding the visit. “If there is one place where you need have no worries about security it is here “among your friends” he said. He added that by visiting the Taunton constituency Mrs. Thatcher was treading in the footsteps of other leaders, including Disraeli and Churchill. In reply, Mrs. Thatcher said she noticed those leaders went on to become Prime Ministers. “I hope that is a good omen. I hope I do not have to wait too long,” she said. Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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This bill adds career pathway and advancement projects to the non-exhaustive list of demonstration and pilot projects the Department of Labor is permitted to administer with Workforce Innovation and Opportunity Act funds allocated for dislocated workers.

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This bill reauthorizes through FY2026 programs and activities of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for researching and preventing birth defects, developmental disabilities, and other conditions. Specifically, the bill reauthorizes the National Center on Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities. The center carries out activities to advance the health and well-being of vulnerable populations, including infants with birth defects, children with developmental disabilities, and individuals of all ages with disabilities or blood disorders.

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Ep. 1995 - PANIC! Will Democrats REPLACE Biden? Published: 7/1/2024 (in RSS feed: 1h 16m 8s) Platform, Shopify platform, our social media, Facebook, Instagram I made for Germany, powered by Shopify. Folks, there are no good days left for the Joe Biden campaign. Tons of news over the weekend. Before I get into today's news, I do need to tell you about an amazing deal we are doing right now at Daily Wire Plus. So all this week, Daily Wire Plus isn't just celebrating freedom. We are literally giving a year of it away by one year of Daily Wire Plus. Get one year for free. That's the best deal we've ever done. It means you get an additional year of The, Ben, Shapiro, Show uncensored, unfiltered, 100% ad free, along with more daily shows from the most trusted voices in conservative media. Plus we've got that on-demand access to our full library of hit movies, groundbreaking documentaries, hard hitting series in investigative journalism that cuts through the noise. It doesn't get any better or easier than this by one year of Daily Wire Plus. Get one year free. Go to Daily Wire Plus dot com right now. Get informed, get entertained. Join us as we fight the left and build the future. Okay, so as I say, Joe Biden, no good days left for him on this campaign. The only good thing that could happen to Joe Biden in this campaign is something bad happening to Donald Trump. But there is no capacity for Joe Biden to develop an independently good campaign. It's not possible anymore. Why? Because it turns out that as always in politics, the coverup is worse than the crime. We all knew for years that Joe Biden was in a state of mental and physical decline. We all saw it right in front of us and we were lied to. We were lied to by everyone in the Biden family. We were lied to by everyone in the White House. We were lied to by everyone in the media. They kept telling us it was all in our head, that it was all cheap fakes. That it was all nonsense. And that Joe Biden behind closed doors, he was doing chess preparation with Bobby Fisher and that he was doing quadratic equations and underwater upside down pares with Albert Einstein. I mean like it was insane. We were told that over and over and over. And then Joe Biden went out and he the bad in an extraordinary way during that debate with Donald Trump in a way that no one expected, and frankly no one has ever seen in the history of American presidential politics. So that means that all credibility is gone. In order for you to advance an argument, you have to have the credibility to advance that particular argument. Are you ever going to believe anyone in Biden land again when they say that Joe Biden is fit for the presidency? There's no possible way, especially when the DOJ dominated by Joe Biden is refusing to turn over the six hour tape of Joe Biden being interviewed by special prosecutor Robert Hur. They keep that tape away from you because they know that it will show the exact same thing that you saw in that debate. So that means you're not gonna believe anyone in the Biden campaign when they say that Joe Biden is fit for the presidency. Remember, the case for Joe Biden being in the presidency is not the case for him being in the presidency today, which is a shaky case as it is. It's a case for him being in the presidency in five years. In five years when he's 86 years old, the the high likelihood is he certainly will not be sentient and he may very likely not be alive by that point. So a vote for Joe Biden is a vote for Kamala Harrison. We all know it. The media have no credibility on these issues anymore. If you thought they'd not blown out their credibility over the Russiagate hoax or over BLM or over the 2020 Covid coverage, they've certainly blown their credibility over the most obvious lie they have ever told ever. And they told a lot of lies during my lifetime. They told the lie that Bill Clinton was an upright citizen who never would stook his employees. They told us to lie obviously during Covid that you had to stay in your homes, add infinitum indefinitely in order to protect everybody around you. They told us to lie that if you are rioting for BLM during that lockdown, that somehow the virus was non-contagious, right? They've told lots of lies. But all of those lies remain bizarrely, somewhat arguable in the public mind. The media have such extraordinary power in the American body politic that they can promote a lie. And even after the lie is debunked, they can continue to promote the lie. So for example, when Michael Brown was shot in Ferguson, Missouri, it became perfectly obvious from both the local investigation and the federal investigation that he was shot justifiably by a cop. Today, today in 2024, a decade later, Democrats will still tell you that Michael Brown was a martyr of BLM and there's a huge percentage of the population that still believes that nonsense. In other words, just because the lie is a lie doesn't mean that the debunking of the lie takes hold in the public imagination. There are lots of cases like this. There's a good article over at the Free Press today about the murder of Matthew Shepherd. You remember that case became the basis for the so-called Laramie Project. It was, it was the basis for a huge push in the gay rights movement because there was a gay guy in Montana and he was killed. And the idea was that he was killed in the hate crime and it turns out they're probably not. He was probably killed in a drug deal gone bad. That thing was debunked within the first two years. It is still the going story about Matthew Shepherd 25 years later. But there's one thing that you cannot lie about and it retained any credibility at all. And that is the thing right in front of your face. The case that is being made about Joe Biden right now is a thing we all saw, all of us, okay, this is like lying about the sun coming out in the morning. This is like lying about the sky being blue. There is no two perspectives on this. Joe Biden has dementia, he's adult. We all saw it. That means that Joe Biden every clip of him from here until the election that shows him doddering around, there'll be a lot of them, is going to be fodder for the American body politic. And no amount of denial, no amount of it's cheap fakes, it's out of context, is going to make us believe that anymore because we all saw it live for 90 minutes. It's a full scale disaster. It's perfectly obvious to everyone. College Is expensive, but being a man shouldn't be score 60% off Jeremy's razors one year of shaving and dominate campus life while others conform. You'll stand out clean shaven and unapologetic. The precision five delivers an exceptionally smooth and close shave designed with a precision trimmer for keeping your edge and an ergonomic handle for superior control. Major in masculinity at jeremy's razors.com today. So over the weekend on the Twitters tape was being passed around of Joe Biden 2019 versus Joe Biden 2024. Now again, Joe Biden 2019 was diminished. Joe Biden 2019 was not even Joe Biden in 2015. But here is tape of Joe Biden 2019 versus Joe Biden 2024. And the contrast is absolutely astonishing. I continue to think we have to make fundamental changes in civil rights. And those civil rights, by the way, include not just only African Americans, but the LGBT community He wants to get away with, get rid of the ability of Medicare to for the ability to, for the, I did not oppose busing in America. What I opposed is busing ordered by the Department of Education. That's what I oppose. Making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I've been able to do with the, with, with, with the Covid, excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with look, if Folks, it's right in front of your eyes. So that's the big issue. You wanna know why many members of the media are acting with outsized outrage and horror today. So the thing that we all knew the answer is 'cause they got completely pantsed by Joe Biden. They're angry at Joe Biden for pantsing them. They figured that they could maintain this lie and Joe Biden's behavior would not fully expose the lie until it was too late for the American people to do anything about it. Everyone in Democrat land knew that Joe Biden was diminished. The entire media knew he was diminished. Everyone in the White House knew he was diminished, but they figured, okay, we can, we can somehow pull the wool over America's eyes. We can shoot him full of whatever we shoot him full of before the State of the Union address. He'll barely get into the White House and then if he dies, he dies. And you know that's the way that it goes. And then it turns out that he decided on his own to destroy both himself and them. He destroyed their credibility because now they either have to pretend to be shocked, shocked that there's gambling going on here, or they have to admit they were lying all along. Either they have to say, I never knew Joe Biden was this bad. My God, I never knew that. And that way, supposedly we'll continue to believe them, that they were honest when they said he was fine and now they're honest when they say he's not, or we're going to believe the alternative, which is that they were lying the entire time. So they have to act absolutely shocked. Okay, let's start from the beginning here, because the coverage over the weekend is astonishing. The calls for Biden to leave are very real. The problem for them is there is no mechanism to replace Joe Biden on this ticket. None. Joe Biden would have to determine that he himself is stepping out all of this fairytale nonsense about how the delegates at the convention are simply gonna vote for somebody else. Despite being bound to vote for him based on state certification in the DNC. It's not true, okay? They're not gonna do any of that. He would have to step out. And the problem with him stepping out is the person backing him up as we'll see is Kamala Harris, who's even worse than he is. And the problem with it being anyone other than those two is that Biden Harris campaign funds, which now amount to hundreds of millions of dollars, those are non-transferable. So if there's money in the Biden Harris campaign, and let's say that neither of them ends up being the nominee, that money doesn't just shift over to Gretchen Whitmer or Gavin Newsom or Josh Shapiro or something. It just kind of sits there. Doesn't have any place to go. So the fallout here is astonishing. You're getting tons of leaks from the Biden campaign from Team Obama, which is extreme understand something. Team Obama hates Joe Biden. They hate Joe. They always hated Joe Biden. Barack Obama always scorned sneered at Joe Biden thought he was a dullard 'cause he's right. Team Obama always thought of Joe Biden as sort of this bizarre white guy and interloper in their administration. What is he even doing here? He is this old daughtering relic of the past. And so now they're eagerly seizing the knife to take him out and now the leaks begin. This is when it starts to get really interesting. So you would've expected all of these leaks about Joe Biden's senility to wait until after his reelect. Nope, they're breaking now July 1st, and we still have four months until the election and they're already breaking. According to the Washington Post President Biden's debate prep went fine in the sessions. The president still spoke haltingly. He sometimes confused facts and figures. He tripped over words and meandered debate prep would not fix his stutter or make him appear any younger AIDS new. Well, I mean that doesn't sound like it's going fine, does it? But as Biden boarded Marine one to leave the Rustic Camp David Presidential retreat for Atlanta, they sought to reassure anxious allies. The president they said was prepared and would perform well. Some said the debate might even be boring. This story says the Washington Post is based on conversations with eight individuals involved in or briefed on the president's debate preparation, all of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private meetings. The Biden campaign declined to comment. So apparently every topic he was asked about Thursday, he had practiced answers for including the final one about his age. So aides were bewildered by his performance. So what's happening here are the aides are attempting to get themselves off the hook. So as we about to talk about the Biden family, which wants Joe to remain in the race because they have to, because the grift must go on, come rain, come shine, come snow, come sleet, the grift must go on. That's the way it works in the Biden family. See, if Joe Biden is no longer president, then Jill might actually have to be elected to something so she could be president. As opposed to right now when she gets to be president without ever having been elected to anything or having been a useful person, hunter might actually have to get a regular job as opposed to finger painting and picking up bags of cash and snorting Parmesan cheese off the carpets. His brothers, Jim and Frank might have to go get regular jobs where they can't just refer to their brother's governmental position in order to pick up bags of cash. His sister might have to go get an actual campaign job that doesn't involve her brother. The entire Biden family has been riding the corrupt coattails of Joe Biden since the 1970s. They might have to get Reg, of course, they're pushing for him to remain in the race. So what are they doing? They're blaming the aids. What are the aides doing? They're blaming Biden. Who's the person who's actually to blame? Joe Biden, of course. And if it's not Joe Biden, it's Jill. Because if Joe is not capable of making his own decisions, then what wife in her right mind would allow her husband to go out and humiliate himself in front of billions of people. That Lady Macbeth over here, I mean the, again, the the the bizarre family dynamic inside the Biden family, the Jill Biden whispering into his ear hy the hither that I might pour my spirits in thine ear and chastises with the valor of my tongue. All that impedes thee from the gold in round. And Joe Biden is a historically not nice character if this is what's going on here, which it appears to be happening. So she's blaming the aides. The aides are blaming the only person responsible who's Joe Biden. Apparently all his aides were like, dude, don't debate. And Joe Biden was like, I'm Fine, everything's good. It's all going great. I want a debate. And it went great. Shopify innovative startups platform, Shopify commerce platform, social media on Facebook, Instagram on Made for Germany, powered by Shopify. So according to the Washington Post, again, these are all aids who are leaking and trying to discern the source of leaks is really fun. Is it Kamala in the conservatory with the lead pipe or is it the speech writing aid in the library with the stiletto aids were bewildered by his performance. Many felt they had never seen him collapse so dramatically. After all, Biden was a veteran of numerous debates. They did not understand why he gave an entirely different answer on the age question than the one they spent more than a week perfecting. The President did not just stumble over words. He appeared to lose his focus and often wasn't able to finish sentences. His voice was raspy and thin. When the debate concluded First Lady Joe Biden appeared to help her husband down the stairs. Apparently again, this whole story from the Washington Post is these aides trying to justify themselves. They say, I love this paragraph. You ready? Here we go. Some Biden officials speculated the president was over prepared by days of lengthy prep sessions and got inside his own head. No, that's not the problem. The problem is there's nothing inside his head. Not that he got inside his own head. If he got in there, it would be an empty ballroom like spiderwebs and such over-Prepared. Did that, did that dude look like somebody who was over-prepared to you? Have you ever over-prepared for an event? Get a little bit nervous. You can botch it at the beginning over-Prepared does not look like you stumbling over your sentences to the point where no one knows what the hell you're talking about. Over prepared. When the debate began on Thursday, Biden's top aide gathered in a hold room at the CNN Studios, knew immediately the president had gotten off to a rough start stumbling on answers about the economy, ending remarks about the national debt with the gaff. We finally beat Medicare. Early in the debate, Biden officials started telling reporters the president had a cold and a sore throat and effort to explain why his voice sounded weak and raspy. Now again, Biden aids and allies had worried for months about whether he should take part in the traditional presidential debates. Some vigorously argued he should not participate, concerned he was not up to the task, and Trump would dominate the encounter with his shouting and bluster. Others thought skipping a debate would make Biden look weak. The Biden campaign ultimately agreed to two debates, insisting the event would be on their terms. So again, all the talk about how this thing was rigged against Joe Biden. Joe Biden's team insisted on every term of the debate and an early date. And so that is how this thing rolled out. And that's, that's the least of the leaks. And then there's this leak from Axios, which is an astonishing leak, truly an amazing leak. Biden's miscues and limitations are more familiar inside the White House. The time of day is important as to which of the two bidens will appear. The two bidens would be, you know, somewhat with it. And then slack, jawed glassy-eyed looks as though he's about to die. Biden from 10:00 AM to 4:00 PM Biden is dependably engaged and many of his public events in front of the cameras are held within those hours outside of that time range while traveling abroad, Biden is more likely to have verbal miscues and become fatigued AIDS told Axios. Well, good news, I guess you only have to be president for six hours a day, like one quarter of the time of the day. Probably none of our enemies will do anything outside the hours of 10 to four prob. So long as it happens between 10 and four. He can basically string together a sentence and spell the word cat if spotted the C and the T. But outside those hours, he's basically hitting his head on the toilet and inventing the flux capacitor of this guy like he, he's totally out of it. This is them leaking their leak in an attempt to mitigate the damage is to say, well, he is sentient from 10 to four. From 10 to four. Okay, there's a word for this when it comes to aging in the United States, it's called sundowning. He's full on sundowning. It hits four 30. That dude is gone. He's out there. Ain't nothing going on upstairs. That is his own aide leaking it. And why are they leaking it? Because they understand that if they don't leak this stuff, then the fire is gonna come around to them. Then Biden and team are gonna try and blame them for Biden's own failure. Here's the thing, that is the stupidest attempt by the Biden team ever. The problem was not his aids, the problem was him. Everyone knows it. And now you're getting the media finally reporting the stories that they wouldn't report for months because again, it's a coverup. The media lied to you, they lied to everyone. They said that you were crazy if you talked about Joe Biden's dementia, the fact that he's ad. So now all the stories are suddenly breaking loose. Well like magic again. Understand there's some people out there who are like, this appears so coordinated that it must be some sort of crazy plan. It's not a plan, it's everyone just got pantsed by the old senile man. That's all. Joe Biden desperately thought that he was as strong as he was back in his thirties. And so he was gonna go out and his gonna debate how terrible Donald Trump ly and he insisted on it. And all of his aides were not strong enough to withstand the pestering of Jill and company. And so they put him on the stage with all the conditions stacked in his favor and he crapped the bed and the entire media were humiliated because they have been playing defense for him. They've been lying on his behalf. And now they again, they have to act shocked. It is a moral obligation for them to act shocked because if they don't, then they were complicit in the lie. Now here's the thing we all know they were complicit in the lie, right? We all know that they were lying for years because your eyes were not lying to you. Your ears were not lying to you. Your brain was not lying to you. They were lying to you. Okay? So now all the stories start to break. Okay, here's the Wall Street Journal quote. The loudest public alarm about Joe Biden's mental acuity came in February with the release of special counsel, Robert Her's report a document he produced after spending five hours interviewing the president that revealed Biden displayed its significant memory problems. Democrats worried then most of them followed the president's lead and dismissed it as partisan hackery. But here's the thing. In interviews top officials abroad and Democrats said they have witnessed other moments when Biden's behavior concerned them. Some were quickly relieved when Biden appeared to regain his footing. Others were left shaken by the experiences European officials had already been expressing worries in private about Biden's focus in stamina before Thursday's debate with some senior diplomats saying they attract a noticeable deterioration in the president's faculties in meetings since last summer. There are real doubts about how Biden could successfully manage a second term. But one senior European diplomat said, US administration officials in private discussions denied there was any problem. The White House disputed the characterization that Biden has stumbled on the world stage National Security Council spoke to him in Adrian Watson's head. Foreign leaders see Joe Biden up close and personal. They know who they're dealing with, how effective he has been, how important his leadership is. That's not what the foreigners are saying. According to the Wall Street Journal, diplomats described Biden's performance at the group of seven Summit in Italy in June as mixed with Biden appearing physically frailer then in the past, but alert in many of the most important discussions. I love that. Many of the most important discussions. You did great, Joe. Like seven outta those 10 you were, you were awake. Good, well done. Ugh, amazing work. Biden missed the summit's dinner party in a medieval castle, an off camera and less scripted part of the summit in which leaders often exchange views. More candidly, he was the only G seven leader not to attend the meal the next day. Biden followed through on his plans to forego a Swiss Peace summit on Ukraine and attended California fundraiser instead. Top White House officials disputed any portrait of a president slipping during his during his European trip, which included 12 hour days chockfull of meetings. He didn't miss a beat said Deli Singh, the deputy National Security Advisor for international economics. But officials said, Biden's performance and focus can vary significantly between meetings. And even within a meeting. Two senior European officials cited an EU US summit in October in Washington, at which Biden struggled to follow the discussions. Both said he stumbled over his talking points at several moments requiring Secretary of State Anthony Blinken to intervene and point out the lines he should use. Then they quote all the Biden officials denying any of that in lying. Wooster does 10,000 that Deutsche and Shopify innovative startups platform, Shopify commerce platform, our social media, Facebook, Instagram, Shopify, Shopify Made for Germany, powered by Shopify. But again, the Europeans have been seeing this for a long time. Polish Prime Minister, Donald Tusk, who is not a far right winger, he says, I was afraid of this. It was to be expected that in a direct confrontation in a debate, it would not be easy for the President. They definitely have a problem. The reactions have been unambiguous. Norbert Rutkin, senior lawmaker in Germany's central right opposition party says, quote, the Democrats must switch horses. Now, Slovenia, former Prime minister Janan Jana, said he bet months ago, Biden would no longer be on the ballot In November when Biden was in France to commemorate the 80th anniversary of Dee in June, he struggled during a bilateral meeting in Paris with Zelensky. Biden spoke so softly, reporters brought in to document the meeting between the two. Men couldn't initially hear the American President at all again, like the White House keeps pretending that this isn't happening. But this has been known for months. And again, now you're gonna get all the leaks about how they knew this for months. Meanwhile, again, his aides, his staff, they're complaining, they're trying to put it on the Biden family, which they should 'cause they're right. According to Axios, Joe Biden's close aides have carefully shielded him from people inside and outside the White House. Since the beginning of his presidency. The intermittent access has resulted in many current and former White House aids being shocked. At the 81-year-old president's limitations at the debate on Thursday night, current and former White House aide are feeling whiplash. And now questioning whether Biden could fulfill a second term. Chandler West, the White House's deputy director of photography from January, 2021 to May, 2022, wrote, it's time for Joe to go. I know many of the people and how the White House operates. They say he has a cold or experienced a bad night, but for weeks and months in private, they've all said what we saw last night, Joe is not as strong as he was just a couple of years ago. Okay? And that again, is not the only person saying that. A former resident's official told Axios. Joe Biden was so protective of the president and then Anthony just protects her and they often wouldn't let us do anything for them. That'd be Joe Biden's, top eight, Anthony Burnell. The separation between the family and the resident staff was so big, so divided. It's not supposed to be and usually isn't even in the Trump White House. So all the aides are like, it's not our fault, not our fault. Now here's the thing, the polling is out. It is unambiguous. The American people do not think that Joe Biden is fit to be president of the United States. Period. End of story, in June of 2024, question you gov Biden, does he have the mental and cognitive health to serve as president? 35% of Americans in June, 2024 said he does. 65% said he does not. Today that number is 72% over seven in 10 Americans think he does not have the mental and cognitive health to serve as president of the United States. Among registered voters, 50% said Trump does, and 49% says he does not. And those would be the Democrats right? Today. Should Biden be running for president? 72%. This is all registered voters. No. Should he be running for president Among Democratic registered voters, only 54% say he should be running for president full scale disaster area. Why shouldn't Biden be running for president? 86% his age, 71% decisions he might make in office. Now here's the problem, 66% his record is president. So two thirds of Americans are like, forget about the fact he's seen now. He's a terrible president. In terms of the polling on the debate itself, which candidate presented ideas clearly Trump 47 21 appeared. Presidential Trump 46 28 inspired confidence Trump 44 18 plans and policies Trump 43 35. Now the Democrats are gonna point out that those are low numbers for Trump, and that's true. Who is enthusiastic about voting for Joe Biden? Are Democrats enthusiastic about voting for Joe Biden? Are they excited about voting for, for Joe Biden on the economy? The same poll, registered voters? Will you be financially better off if Trump wins or if Biden wins Trump 45 19 on democracy and the rule of law, democracy and the rule of law will be safe if Biden wins 48. If Trump wins 47. So Trump isn't even, Biden isn't even winning that one. These are disastrous numbers for Joe Biden. The polling for Biden is just absolutely awful. 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The New York Times CI poll that was taken before the debate has Trump up four. There's a poll that just came out after the debate and it shows Trump up five. That is from Atlanta Atlas Intel. That's Trump plus 5.2 at 45.5 to 40.3 with RFK picking up 10% full scale disaster area here for the Biden campaign. So again, there's been a wide divide on the left between whether Biden should stay or whether he should go. And the only question is how close you are to Joe Biden personally. That really is what it is. If you're a member of the media, you're basically calling for him to go. If you're a member of the Democratic political establishment, you're calling for him to stay. Why? If you're a member, because now their interests actually diverge. So since 2008 when Barack Obama was elected, elected president, Democrats in the media have basically been one giant blob. They are the same. They're indistinguishable, which is why you can have a revolving door of Jen Psaki from the White House to M-M-S-N-B-C, and then maybe back to the White House and then back to M-S-N-B-C. This is how it works. It's the same. The press has just been an apparatus of the Democratic White Houses. That's all the Democratic party. The press indistinguishable. But that all changed last week. Why? Because the credibility of the press was invested in Joe Biden not being the thing they all said that he wasn't, and then he was the thing. So now the press have their own interests in upholding their own veracity for having written article after article after article saying that all stories about his senility were Republicans pounce stories. So the New York Times editorial board literally called for Joe Biden not to run again. Quote, president Biden has repeatedly and rightfully described the stakes in this November's presidential election as nothing less than the future of American democracy. Biden has said he's the candidate with the best chance of taking on this threat of tyranny and defeating it. His argument rests largely on the fact that he beat Trump in 2020. That is no longer a sufficient rationale for why Mr. Biden should be the democratic nominee. This year at Thursday's debate the President needed to convince the American public he was equal to the formidable demands of the office he's seeking to hold for another term. Voters, however, cannot be expected to ignore what was instead plain to see. Mr. Biden is not the man he was four years ago. As it stands, the President is engaged in a reckless gamble. There are democratic leaders better equipped to present clear, compelling, energetic alternatives to a second Trump presidency. There's no reason for the party to risk the stability and security of the country by forcing voters to choose between Trump's deficiencies and those of Biden. It's too big a bet to simply hope. Americans will overlook or discount Mr. Biden's age and infirmity that they see with their very own eyes. If the race comes down to a choice between Trump and Biden, the sitting president would be this board's unequivocal pick. But that's how much of a danger Trump poses. Given that very danger, the stakes for the country and the uneven abilities of Mr. Biden. The United States needs a stronger opponent to the presumptive Republican nominee. So that is the New York Times editorial board calling for Joe Biden to step out of the race. Now here is the thing, if Joe Biden is not capable of running the race, he shouldn't be president. They should 25th Amendment that guy. If he's too sile to run, he's too sile to be president of the United States. Axios reports he's not sentient between the hours of 4:00 PM and 10:00 AM all the way around the clock. He's sentient for most of the hours my kids are in school, that that is legitimately what Axios is now reporting. So the media are saying the truth bizarrely because again, they require the credibility of saying the truth late after lying to all of us. Here's Jonathan Carl of a b, c News saying very few Democrats are pretending Joe Biden did. Well the other day, Even before the debate, there was a sense of dread among many Democrats, a fear that the campaign was heading towards something they consider unthinkable a Donald Trump victory. In November, president Biden needed a strong debate to show that he has the physical and mental ability to take on and defeat Donald Trump. That's why he spent nearly a week at Camp David with an army of advisors preparing for a debate with rules and a format that his advisors designed. Few prominent Democrats are even pretending he did what he needed to do on that debate stage. By the way, Democrats are now worried that Joe Biden is gonna drag down all the Senate candidates. So one of the oddities is that Democratic candidates are out polling Biden in nearly every swing state this year. So Sheard Brown in Ohio, he's out polling Biden in Pennsylvania. Bob Casey is out polling Biden in Pennsylvania. In Arizona, the Democratic candidate for Senate Ruben Gallego out polling Biden. So Biden is actually trailing every Senate candidate for the Democrats. But the problem is that if turnout's real low for the Democrats, they lose all those seats. So they are freaking out. The Wall Street Journal reports, quote Democrats who worried about President Biden's reelect prospects even before his uneven debate. Thursday had been pointing to a bright spot. In this year's campaign. The party Senate candidates and some vulnerable house candidates generally pull better than the weakened president. Now those Democratic candidates and their aides are trying to sort through whether Biden's halting performance and sometimes dazed appearance have s sapped the party's goals of retaining the Senate and flipping the house. Both chambers within majorities are in play this fall, by the way, report from Politico this morning that Democrats in the house are now basically begging their donors. They need the house because they're not gonna win the presidency. Again, members of the press who are probably going to vote for Joe Biden, no matter what, even they are appalled by what they saw or at least pretending to be. So I will give it to listen. Bill Maher, I'm friendly with Bill has been honest about this since the beginning, that Joe Biden is diminished and that he expected Trump to run strong. But here is Maher. Listen to the audience. It's less about what Ma is saying and more about the audience. The entire Maher audience, which is a left-wing audience. I know I've been on a show many times, the entire audience is laughing at Joe Biden's performance because everyone sees the thing. Here's Mar, You know Joe, he famously loves trains, but apparently not of thought. It's just all night confused and halting and trailing off. I've seen Beauty pageant contestants answer questions better. I don't wanna say the bad, this new secret service name is Amber Heard, I'm coming on. Even the folks over at Pod Save America were, were very upset about all of this. So the pod bros at Pods Save, those are all Obama boys. So the Obama team, they've always seen Joe as a very fragile vessel for the Obama agenda. And now they're like, God bless it. We're, we're gonna throw this guy under the bus. Here's Medi Hassan Qatari front man and and the boys at Pod Save America. Lamenting the fall of Joe Biden here. I've been to Georgia, I've been to Michigan recently. Every single brown person I met people who voted Democrat all their lives say, we're not voting democratic. We want to punish Biden. Now don't shoot the messenger. I'm just telling you that is what people are saying. I dare you to ask all those people to vote again this morning after what they watched last night. We, it's, it's just not the same thing we are. We are in a very different place. I people saw the car crash in front of their eyes. I Understand that the biggest challenge in this race has been to capture people's attention in a very fractured media environment. There are now no more opportunities because they're one opportunity when 50 million Americans tuned in, Joe Biden did not show up. The party does not have a problem with Democrats. It has a problem with Joe Biden. That's what people are trying to tell us right now. Okay? So again, positive America bros. They're saying he needs to be out. Politico has an entire article about how the mainstream media is now saying he needs to be out. And so now an open war has broken out between Team Biden and t Obama as Politico reports, quote Biden Camp Lashes out and alum Obama alums push back less than 72 hours removed from the debate performance by President Joe Biden. That was widely seen as catastrophic. Top members of his campaign team are lashing out at the President's Democratic critics meeting expressions of grief, dread, and fear over the debate with mockery directed at one-time allies. And it makes perfect sense because the Obama team has always scorned the Biden team. Okay, so we've talked about all the people who want Joe Biden out in one second. We're gonna get to all the people, particularly inside the administration and inside some democratic calls of power who either want Joe Biden to stay in or have resigned themselves to their fate. We'll get to that in just one moment. First, it's time to talk some freedom. 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There's a phrase she likes to use about, you know, the limitations and possibilities not being bound by what has been. She used it all the time. Like Af when she washes her hands after going to I, I don't even know. Here we go. I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by what has been, you know, what can be, yeah, unburdened by what has been, what can be unburdened by what has been what can be unburdened by what has been what can be unburdened by what has been what we can see, what we believe can be unburdened by what has, what can be Unburdened by what Happens. It's always the say God. She's so irritating. So that's, that's their alternative. Good job. DEI glad you desperately needed to select a black woman for your vice presidents who ended up with Kamala Harris as opposed to, you know, like Amy if Amy Klobuchar, by the way, we're the vice president right now. This thing is done already. We're already finished. In any case, M-S-N-B-C, Joe Scarborough attempting to maintain some semblance of journalistic credibility last week, basically threw Biden under the bus this week. Ms. It's been a weekend. M-S-N-B-C was like, no, gotta buy that one back. He's gonna be the nominee and that's all awkward. So let's buy this sucker back. So Joe Scarborough is putting witness protection for this segment because of course he has said that Joe should drop out and Mika did like a 15 minute segment on just what a magnificent human, bright, ingenious, witty, incisive, insightful, acidic Joe Biden is. Here we go. The very next day in North Carolina there was Joe Biden back to form finding his voice, his winning smile, the vintage sparkle back in his eyes. Vintage parents sparkle, two parents that were as different old as well, night and day. I don't debate night and day and day as well as I used to. Well, I know. What Does that sound night and day to you? I know how to tell the truth. I know Still I know. Vintage. Starting at 9:00 PM Joe Biden was fresh off back to back trips to Europe, first to Normandy for the 80th anniversary of D-Day and a state dinner with President Macron and then to Italy for the G seven, followed by a flight across 12 time zones to LA for a fundraiser. Former 12 time zones, Former president Barack Obama. Wow, he flew in a plane. We it. Let's talk about his age, ages, wisdom and experience that in the case case of Joe Biden leads to and dementia, more bipartisan legislation passed than any president over the past few generations and the largest expansion of NATO's alliance in history under Joe Biden and his age. America is stronger economically and militarily than any in half a century. Good Lord Century believes this crap. Okay, fine. Well, so Mko Bosky is like, I'm gonna massage this thing into reality. Why is that happening? Because the Biden family is making clear they ain't going nowhere. They're not going anywhere. You wanna know why they're not going anywhere? By the way, they're not going anywhere because they love the power. They love it. Now quick side note, Nico Burzynski shows film of Joe Biden. She's like, he's totally different the next day, which he clearly is not even from that very short clip where he is hacking into his hand and staring g Classily into the teleprompter. Just to confirm that Joe Biden put out a video talking about how he's standing for democracy Angley. And in this particular video, there are nine jump cuts in 38 seconds is a MCee music video. Here is Joe Biden Democracy's the essence of who we are. We're the most unique nation in the world in that we're not united based on race, ethnicity, geography. We're based on idea. We hold these truths to be self-evident that all women and men are created equal. It's in our Declaration of Independence and our constitution. They're the two things that the guardrails to make sure democracy is able to be sustained. It's all about being able to show up and vote, be able to have an opportunity to get a fair deal at an even chance. It all rests upon our constitution of democracies, the vehicles, and the method that holds that together. That's how many jump cuts there were in a 38 second video. Don't worry, he's all fine according Tomika Brunski. Okay, so why is all this happening? I present to you the to you the actual President of the United States, Joe Biden on the cover of Vogue Magazine. So here is President Jill, the First Lady, Joe Biden. We will decide our future that carries a different meaning than probably when that interview is first done. This is the August issue. We will decide our future. Here's a quote from the story quote. If you want to know what power feels like, try to get yourself driven around in a motorcade flashing. Police chaperone lights form a perimeter as you blaze down an empty highway waiting cars backed up on entry ramps as you pass. It's as if the world is holding breath for you. Also, rules don't apply. At nine mile an entourage of 30 or so are noisily hustling to follow a trim blonde woman in a pristine white suit as she strides nonchalantly PLA clanging, gurgling brewing vats aiming for a back office. This is my first glimpse of First Lady Dr. Jill Biden, exiting the sealed chamber of power into the middle of America. A vision of calm amid utter cacophony y You wanna know why Joe Biden is gonna stay in the race? That's the reason why he's gonna stay in the race. Out, out damn spot. Lady Macbeth over there. And the rest of the Biden family corrupt as the day is long. I mean, again, I've been saying this for a decade at this point, God's justice comes for everyone. Joe Biden has lived an extraordinarily corrupt, familial life, super corrupt. From the day that he became a senator, he was using that power on behalf of the enrichment of his family. Ben Shreck Inger is an excellent book about the Biden family in which he talks. Going all the way back about the level of corruption inside the Biden family. We're talking about his brothers Jim and Frank. We're talking about his sister Val. We are talking about his wife Jill. We are talking about his sons, including Hunter. The level of corruption inside the Biden family is extraordinary. The entire thing is a giant grift for their own benefit. And now because Papa Biden ain't there, they gotta prop that guy up. 'cause the minute he's gone, guess what happens? The gravy train is over. Hunter has to do something besides finger paint and snort blow off hookers while impregnating them with children that his father will never visit with. Val has to get herself a real job. Frank and Jim have to get themselves real jobs. Jill goes back to being a no-name, community college professor, studying nonsense at the University of Delaware in sad Sac Wilmington. 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People close to the situation set on Sunday. So they're, they're blaming the staff. Of course, of course. So remember when I said earlier in the show that the aids are now leaking? That's the reason they're leaking, is because Jill and Company are like, it was probably the staff's fault that this adult old man soils himself every night. It's probably, it's the night nurse's fault, obviously, if the bedpan is full, that's the night nurse's fault, not the guy who crapped in the bed pan. Mr. Biden huddled with his wife, children, and grandchildren. Not, not the one, you know, not London Roberts's kid. He still doesn't talk with her at Camp David, while he tried to figure out how to tamp down democratic anxiety. By the way, fun trivia fact Camp David is named after the grandson of Eisenhower, who is still six years younger than Joe Biden. Real, real fact, while his relatives were acutely aware of how poorly he did against former President Trump, they argued he could still show the country he remains capable of serving for another four years. Mr. Biden has been soliciting ideas from advisors about how to proceed. His staff has been discussing whether he should hold the news conference or sit for interviews to defend himself and change the narrative. Nothing has been decided yet. They, they're never putting him in front of a camera again. They're never putting him in front of a camera again. And if they do, they're even bigger fools than they heretofore have been. One of the strongest voices. Imploring Biden's resist pressure to drop out was his son Hunter, the smartest person Joe Biden knows an adult useless drug addict who is now in his mid fifties and now a convicted felon. That's, that's the person who you need advising you on whether to stay in the presidency. Of course, hunter wants him to stay. If it weren't for his dad, hunter would've been in jail 30 years ago. One of the strongest voices imploring Biden to resist pressure to drop out with his was his son Hunter, whom the president has long leaned on for advice. Said one of the people informed about the discussions, who like others spoke on condition of anonymity to share internal deliberations. Hunter Biden wants Americans to see the version of his father that he knows scrappy and in command of the facts. Is that the version that Hunter knows? I mean, to be fair, that dude does take an awful lot of cocaine. Other family members were trying to figure out how they could be helpful. At least one of the president's grandchildren has expressed interest in getting more involved with the campaign, perhaps by talking with influencers on social media. So this is their genius plan. Their genius plan is keep dead man in race. But Grandkid will talk with those weird TikTok influencers who keep coming to the White House and sashaying around in ladies' clothing while being male. One of the people informed about the situation, said the entire family is united and added flatly. The President was not getting outta the race and had not discussed doing so. To be fair, he has not discussed anything for the past three years. He's been too busy drooling into a cup. The anger among Democrats was made evidence on Sunday when John Morgan, a top democratic donor who's close to Biden's brother Frank, publicly blamed the advisors who managed the president's debate preparations, citing by name, Ron Klain, Anita Dunn and Bob Bauer. Biden has for too long been fooled by the value of Anita Dunn and her husband Morgan wrote on social media, they need to go today. The Grifting is gross. It was political malpractice. He elaborated, quote, it would be like if you took a prize fighter who's gonna have a title fight and put him in a sauna for 15 hours and then said, go fight. I believe that debate is solely on Ron Klain, Bob Bauer and Anita Dunn. It's a naturally Bauer Dunn. They're, they're the ones who are all leaking this to the press. A couple of Democrats pointed out family members and Morgan didn't attend the preparation sessions, so they have no idea how it went. One member of Biden Circle said no one was happy with how the debate turned out. And it was human late nature to look for somebody else to blame. Okay, so Biden's family is, of course Jill leading the way, suggesting he has to stay in and so she's treating him like a toddler. I mean, honestly, the most humiliating thing for America was, was not, I'm not even sure it was Joe Biden's performance. It was his wife's treatment of him after the performance, trotting him off the stage, holding his hand. The way I would hold either my, my now 99-year-old grandmother's hand coming down from a stage or my 4-year-old and then treating him like a 4-year-old. You answered all the questions, Joe. Honestly, what, what a what a terrible family. Truly what a what a terrible family. And just, just the, the level of grift, the level of corruption. You kind of feel bad for Biden, except that he bought into it. That's the whole reason he got into this game in the first place. So Team Biden desperate to respond. They are. They've now issued a, an email, an astonishing email to the entire campaign list. Quote, if you're like me, you're getting lots of texts or calls from folks about the state of the race after Thursday. Maybe it was your panicked aunt, your MAGA uncle, or some self-important podcasters. That'd be a reference to the Obama bros. So they're literally attacking their own political allies now. It's a tough position to be in. I thought it might be helpful to send you a few responses. Yes, the debate started rough, but voters saw what a threat Donald Trump is to the country. Actual voters perceive this debate very differently than those who pay attention to politics. A lot like everyone who's getting this email and everyone who goes on cable news breaking news, people think Joe Biden's old. They did coming into the debate they do coming outta the debate at the same time. A lot of people have rose colored glasses about the Trump years flash polls from CNN 5 38 survey USA morning consult and dated for progress show. We expected the debate did not change the horse race. Sure, they say the long-term impact of debates is overstated. Anyway, let us all remember Obama lost the first debate in 2012. Bush lost in 2004. Reagan lost the first debate in 1984. Now, I will point out here that none of those debates did the president of the United States effectively die on the stage requiring a ventilator and or the zappers in the chest just to get him back up the day after the debate. This is again, Biden's campaign, sending out notes to everybody. Biden gave a fiery defiant speech where he tackled concerns about his age. Head on, I don't know if you were watching, but Joe Biden left the debate stage, spoke to a rally, went to a Waffle House, waffle House. You know what strength and perseverance it takes to go to Waffle House? You know, like every person like who goes to Waffle House? Then he got on a plane. My God, I've never seen anyone get on a plane. Flew to Raleigh. What? To Raleigh like North Carolina. He flew. He flew the plane. No, he was just in the back. Okay? But he was on a plane, hung out with 200 supporters on the tarmac. I mean, he stood there while there were people. What the, I mean, vibrance youth energy. Got back on the plane, hold back on the plane. Are are you guys following all this, the amazing things that Joe Biden did? He left at a debate stage, that's number one. Then he spoke at a rally where he read from a teleprompter. That's two. Then he went to Waffle House. Then he got on a plane, flew there, hung out on the tarmac. Then he went to bed, woke up, gave an amazing speech, got back on the plane, went to New York. Holy crap. Visited Stonewall with Elton John. What? In fact, we have tape of Elton John. This is what they're, they're, they're now relegated by the way, just writing out Roberts de Niro and Elton John to do the hits for, for Joe Biden. I'll point out at this point that Elton John is a spritely, 77 years old. Two years ago, Jill and I had the honor to host him at the White House and bestow on him the National Humanitarian Medal, humanities Medal, one of America's highest awards. God, he came through the sentence Today, we're honored to be with him again from a teleprompter here at Stonewall. Please welcome Elton John. Do we stand up for our vision and our values, or let misinformation and senseless scapegoating turn back the clock? No way. And then Joe Biden laughing like a crazy person in the background. According to the Biden campaign quote, the Bedwetting Brigade is calling for Joe Biden to drop out the bedwetting brigade, his own allies, the bedwetting brigade. That is the best possible way for Donald Trump to win and us to lose. First of all, Joe Biden is going to be the democratic nominee. Period. End of story. End of story. Voters voted. He won. Overwhelmingly, if you were to drop out, it would lead to weeks of chaos, internal food, fighting a bunch of candidates who limp into a brutal floor fight at the convention, all while Donald Trump has time to speak to American voters. Uncontested all that would be in service of a nominee who'd go into a general election in the weakest possible position with $0 in their bank account. You want a high to losing. It's that can, this is like the desperation wreaks out of this email, seven Joe Biden is the democratic nominee period. Rather than worrying about our polls, our supporters are getting on board. Wow. Just so, so impressive. So that, that is a email that went out to their entire email list. The desperation. So the Democratic party is falling right in a line. Of course, all the politicians are falling. Like they, they know that he's not going anywhere. So now they're all falling into line. So Jamie Harrison, the DNC chair, he says, we don't hear anybody who wants him to step down. We're not hearing anybody. In fact, we put ourselves in the corner of silence. We're ne we we're hearing no one, no one is saying he should step down. You hear the hand ringing coming from pundits Rev and, and from Op-Eds like the New York Times, but you don't hear it from the people. What I've seen is a galvanization, particularly in the black community. Yeah, I'm a black man. I've seen the galvanization of support for Joe Biden because you know, rev in the black community in your family, you can say all that you wanna say about a member of your family. But, but, but don't let somebody else say it because that's when you unify people in support. And that's what I've seen in terms of support of Joe Biden. Because folks understand this, that Joe Biden has always had our back and we're gonna have his, Okay, so Jamie Harrison there is saying that Joe Biden is like a member of black people families. How, just, just gonna ask that like serious question. You went from Barack Obama to that guy. Yeah. Is that how black voters are feeling? I ain't seen it in the polls. Meanwhile, James Clyburn, who's the man who made, who made Joe Biden the president, when he basically endorsed him over Bernie Sanders. He says that Joe Biden has to stay in the race. Don't, you know, he captivated the audience, captivated them the next day. Like magic. Like this guy's, one of the great orders, it is like Martin Luther King at the mall. Just unbelievable oration from Joe Biden capturing the audience. He had them in the palm of his feeble, withered old hand. Here is James Clyburn trying to, trying to pick his way through this minefield. He should stay in this race. He should demonstrate it going forward, his capacity to lead the country. I been hearing from people, even the people on the floor. Yes, there were some trepidations the next morning, but only one of the people I talked to expressed an opinion that Joe Biden should drop out. Everybody else says we need to make some calibrations here going forward, and that's what we need to do. The next day he gets to North Carolina. He's freewheeling and he captivated the audience. By freewheeling he means he's reading directly from a teleprompter, Raphael Warnock, who was widely discussed as a possible replacement for Biden on the ticket treaty dropout, the senator from Georgia. He says that actually this is really about Trump. Both Biden and Trump should take a cognitive exam. That's weird. 'cause Trump has offered exactly that and Biden has turned it down. Here's Warnock trying to walk his way through this one. In the course of an election, we ought to test these men and they ought to be out there in front of the public. We ought to see who they are. And quite frankly, the more I hear Donald Trump talking, the more nervous I become. I I don't need. So Is that a yes to a Cognitive test? Trump cognitive exam? Is that a yes? Well, listen, I'm, I'm, I'm not a doctor. I, I, I, listen, I, it, it, it's not something quite frankly I've even thought about. Do You think President Biden should drop out of this race Senator? Oh, absolutely Not. His entire life, his entire life of public service and over the last four years, he's been showing up for the American people. No, that's the problem. He has not been showing up. He has been sleeping. He's been going to the early bird dinner at Denny's and then he is been going home and going to sleep at five o'clock in the afternoon. Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi, who herself is in her eighties, she says that Donald Trump has dementia. By the way, nothing says that our politics are in a wonderful state, quite like 80, 80-year-old people yelling at each other that they have dementia. It really is, it really is a signal to the rest of the world about our strength. Vim and Vigor here is Nancy Pelosi, former speaker of the House. My people are very much Biden Kamala Harris. And this is an opportunity for Joe Biden to go out there and show he has the stamina and the rest. And by the way, while the press, and for some reason they don't, there are healthcare professionals who think that, that Trump has dementia. That his connection, his thoughts do not go together. Okay? Speaking of people who may or may not have dementia, there is your former Speaker of the House, things are going well here in the United States of America. But here's the reality. Joe Biden ain't going anywhere. He's gonna stay in the race. He's gonna run this thing all the way to the end. Every time they're gonna have to hide him. That's gonna be his campaign. They cannot put him on the stage. They cannot not for any prolonged period of time without a teleprompter. There will be no long form interviews. There will be no long form press conferences. There will not be a second debate. They cannot afford to have Joe Biden in a position where his progressive dementia, because that's what he has pretty obviously, where his progressive dementia is highlighted. Meanwhile, that's the thing Donald Trump actually should do. He should actually just go to sleep. If he goes to sleep Donald Trump right now, he'll wake up president November 6th. It's that simple. Donald Trump should just pursue Joe Biden's 2020 basement strategy. At this point. The election is a referendum on Joe Biden. If it stays a referendum on Joe Biden, Joe Biden will not be president of the United States come November 5th. Okay? Meanwhile, while all of this was breaking, there's big Supreme Court news on Friday and a case called Loper versus Raimondo. So-called Chevron deference was overruled. So Chevron deference, there was a case about 40 years ago called Chevron, the natural resources at defense counsel. And basically the rule that was established by the Supreme Court, it was a rule about whether administrative agencies could be the adjudicators of their own interpretation of statute. So to explain, let us say that there was a rule that was passed by Congress and it was a vague rule for the EPA, the Environmental Protection Agency. The Environmental Protection Agency then proceeded to wildly reinterpret the statute and then bring you up on administrative charges. Because very often if you violate a statute by the EPA, you're not brought to like a regular court for violation of it. You're brought in front of the EPAs administrative judicial panel and then they will adjudicate whether you owe fine or not. So people appealed that to the courts and the Supreme Court said, well, hold on. We're not really good at interpreting like vagueness and statutes, so we're gonna leave it with the experts at the EPA to determine what the statute means and then to apply the statute. Now what this setup was a real constitutional problem, because effectively what it meant is that if Congress abdicated its legislative duty and passed a vague statute that was not clear and then passed it off to the executive branch, then these unelected administrative agencies would have the power to effectively write stuff in the blanks of the statute, apply the statute judicially, and then enforce it with the executive branch. So he essentially had a dictatorship of the administrators. That's what Chevron set up, effectively speaking. What it set up was the a unified legislative, judicial and executive branch all inside an unelected body of administrative officials. And the set, the standard under Chevron deference was that the judiciary would not sign into chat unless the administrative agency was so wildly unreasonable in its interpretation of its own authority and statute that the courts would have to step in. That was the rule, was that basically courts deference, the courts were going to be deferential toward administrative agency in their interpretation of vague statutes, so long as those interpretations were reasonable. So on Friday, that was overruled by the Supreme Court in a six three decision held, the Administrative Procedure Act requires courts to exercise their independent judgment. In deciding whether an agency has acted within its statutory authority, courts may not defer to an agency interpretation of the law simply because a statute is ambiguous. Chevron is overruled. Article three of the Constitution assign to the federal judiciary their responsibility and power to adjudicate cases and controversies, concrete disputes with consequences for the parties involved. The framers appreciated the laws judges would necessarily apply in resolving these disputes would not always be a, a clear but envision the final interpretation of the laws would be the proper and peculiar province of the courts. In other words, not a fourth independent branch of government. The court recognized e exercising independent judgment often included according due respect to executive branch interpretations of federal statutes. But that quickly started to turn into unending authority for these various administrative agencies. And so the idea here is that Chevron didn't do its job originally. Chevron was designed in order to allow for executive agencies to make statutes more comprehensible and more consistent. And instead of what happened is that every four years, the interpretation of the statutes would change. Whenever the president would be appointed, whenever he'd be elected, he would appoint a new administrator at the EPA and the administrator would just flip the interpretation of the statute, which is not the way that statutes are supposed to work. So what is this actually gonna do? What's the practical effect? It forces back to Congress specificity in legislation, which is a good thing. The administrative branch of government is not part of the constitutional structure. It was not part of the original constitutional structure. It was a creation of the Teddy Roosevelt Woodrow Wilson Progressives in the early 20th century. It is foreign to the constitutional bargain made by the founders. It was then given outsized authority on the idea that experts were the best placed in order to both make law, judge law and then implement law. And all of that was false. And so the judiciary is being treated as a judicial use or patient like the judiciary is inserting itself where it doesn't belong. No, the judiciary is saying, no, you don understand it's our role to interpret statutes. It's your role as the executive branch to administrate statutes. And it is the legislative branch's job to define the statute. And if they do a piss poor job, we're gonna be the one to interpret it. That is correct. That is correct. And again, the reason that that is correct is because as the Supreme Court says, Chevron's presumption is, is misguided because agencies have no special competence in resolving statutory ambiguities. Courts do. The framers anticipated courts would often confront statutory ambiguities and expected that courts would resolve them by exercising independent legal judgment. Chevron Gravely aired in concluding the inquiry is fundamentally different just because an administrative interpretation is in play. The very point of the traditional tools of statutory construction is to resolve statutory ambiguities. In other words, administrative agencies always have an interest in expanding their own power and interpreting statutes in a way that they find friendly. The judges are supposed to not have that same sort of issue. So creating an independent branch of government, in other words, is wrong. Now again, in reality, the Chevron ruling has been more observed in the breach than in reality for like the last 10 years. Nobody has cited Chevron's deference because the courts have basically not applied it. This was just kind of the last step of putting a stake through the heart of Chevron. The Supreme Court says Chevron is unworkable. The defining feature of its framework is the identification of statutory ambiguity, but the concept of ambiguity has always evaded meaningful definition. Such an impressionistic and malleable concept cannot stand as an everyday test for allocating interpretive authority between courts and agencies. This of course, is exactly correct. The left is freaking out about this because what they actually want is unappointed government, a deep state you might say, that actually sits there and interprets laws in ways that the left likes permanent employees of the executive branch and the administrative agencies who rule your life. And the Supreme Court now says, Nope. If they judge wrong about what a statute means, I can now sue in federal court and no longer will there be this deference to the administrative agency's interpretation of the statutes. That was one big ruling. The other big ruling that happened on Friday was the Supreme Court raising the bar for obstruction charges against both Donald Trump and January 6th offenders. As Reuters reports, the justices ruled six three to throw out a lower court's decision that had allowed a charge of corruptly obstructing an official proceeding against defendant Joseph Fisher, a former police officer. Typically, a charge of corruptly obstructing an official proceeding. It means that you have to impair the availability or integrity of documents or other records related to an official proceeding, right? When you're obstructing, it means you're destroying documents or it means you're hiding documents or not talking to the cops or something like that in a way that you know you don't have an excuse for. This is a weird decision only because Justice Kanji Brown Jackson actually joined the conservatives. And meanwhile, justice Amy Coney Barrett joined the liberals in this particular ruling. She wrote a dissent joined by Sonya Soor and a lady in a Kagan. So that's a potential booze just because these obstruction charges, as we talked about at the time, are way too broad. Obstruction was never meant to apply to, there's a riot. It's weird to apply obstruction to a riot. It's a very strange thing to do. So again, another good ruling by the Supreme Court. There are a couple more that are coming down today, which I'm sure we'll discuss tomorrow on the show. Meanwhile, in a final bit of news, the So-called far right is kicking butt in France. They're not far right anymore. You, you can't be far right when you're winning 34% of the vote in French parliamentary elections. You're just called the right Macron certainly is not the right in France. Maureen Lap Penn's national rally, according to the Wall Street Journal, notched a victory in the first round of parliamentary elections across France on Sunday moving her party one step closer to its goal of winning control of the National Assembly and taking the reins of the government. Emmanuel Macron's Pro business party in Na tallies finished third with 21%. The Commies, the new popular front got 28%. So basically you now have in France, one third of the public is so-called far right by far right. By the way, they don't mean economically right wing far right just means they don't like vast swaths of Muslim immigrants arriving and destroying the social integrity of France. It also means they don't like far left social policies. That's kinda what the far right, the quote unquote far right stands for. Oddly enough, they are the pro-ISIS Israel party. So the this, this sort of attempt to paint them as anti-Semitic weird 'cause they're the pro-ISIS Israel party. Meanwhile, the far left hates Israel. They're, they're out in the pro, they're, they were out in the streets celebrating by the tens of thousands with red flags, which of course if you're a normie in France, that's not particularly assuaging of your, of your thoughts and fears. So 33% to national rally, 28% of the come 21% to Emmanuel Macron's party. If national rally wins a majority in the National Assembly, Macron would faced the possibility of sharing power with the first quote, far right government since Vichy France, Macron's presidential term in 2027, he said he is not gonna resign. So apparently Lap Penn and her allies are within striking distance of a 289 seat majority in the National Assembly that would compel Macron's to select a prime minister from lap Pen's ranks. The person who's most likely to be that is a 28-year-old named Jordan Barella. He has talked about the evils of what he calls Micronism. He's placed immigration and the rising cost of living at the center of his campaign. If they do not reach that majority, then you could see Macron's side with the communists, which is insane, which would show you where, where the center is in France. The center is more friendly to the Communist than they are to sort of a traditional right wing party that doesn't like mass immigration. Apparently National Rally is estimated to win between 255 and 295 seats. The communists were expected to win between 120 and 140 seats. Macron and his allies would win 90 to 125 seats. So this is a political realignment. And by the way, if Macron sides with the communists, the next election after that is gonna be a heavy swamp for the right, the right will kick butt in that election as well. They should, because again, France has been run directly into a ditch by people who believe that open immigration and multiculturalism is an actual way to preserve a country, which it clearly, clearly is not. Joining us on the line is Bernie Moreno, Columbian American businessman and the 2024 Republican senatorial candidate for Ohio. He's challenging the incumbent Democratic Senator Sherrod Brown. Bernie, thanks so much for joining the show. Really appreciate it. Thank you, Ben. I'm gonna see if I could only be the guest that speaks faster than you, than you do, so we can have that in common. Sounds great. So let's talk about your race. Obviously the, the Senate rests on a raiser's edge right now. Your race is incredibly important. Ohio's a state that President Trump is expected to win. Running away Sher Brown is however, a tough candidate. He's had multiple terms in the Senate. So what is the biggest falsehood that people seem to believe about Sherrod Brown that you're trying to debunk in this campaign? That, that he's inevitable. That he's somebody that is a moderate, that he is bipartisan, that he works across party lines. As you know, he's the most, one of the most radical senators in office today. This guy ran for office for the first time after graduating from Yale with a major in Russian studies just after we had landed on the moon. So this is a guy who's just been around way too long. He's a forever politician. He's not on the side of workers. That's his entire branding. The reality is we've lost 200,000 manufacturing jobs under his watch. His policies are the exact reasons why we've lost those manufacturing jobs, high taxes, high regulation attacks on energy. We're gonna point that out and that's how we're gonna win this race. So there, there has been very little polling data actually in, in Ohio on the Senate race. Last poll that I've seen is Ameri Poll. That was almost a month ago at this point. Even in that poll, you were certainly within striking distance. The margin Bear is like four points. He was a head five. So what is the internal polling showing you right now, especially given the fact that, you know, I, I know it's fresh, but Joe Biden absolutely collapsed on the stage the other night that's gotta be dragging down democratic turnout numbers. Yeah, absolutely. Because the reality is when you have a an opponent, she brown who votes almost a hundred percent of the time with Joe Biden, we're gonna tie those two together. The reality is, in a polling, Ben, what it shows is that about 40% of Ohio has no idea who I am. So we are down about even 15 or 16 points with Republicans. So all we have to do is point out, here's what I stand for. Energy dominance, a safe and secure border support of our allies like Israel, peace and stability around the world. This guy is the exact opposite. He's the senator of high prices and open borders. Once we do that, we make that contrast. I'm confident we're gonna retire one more forever politician. We don't need any more of these guys down in Washington. DC So obviously you're a longtime business person. You've seen how the government has impacted businesses in the state of Ohio. You've mentioned shared Brown's policies, his, his open immigration policies, his his subsidization for things like electric car schemes. And talk a little bit about what your industrial policy would look like versus shared Brown's industrial policy. Well, let's talk about EVs first because as you know, I was in a retail automotive business. I started with one dealership, built a group of 15 dealerships representing 30 brands. I understand one very simple thing. Consumers are the ones that dictate the pace of innovation, the direction of innovation. It's their vote with their pocketbook. That is infinitely more important than some bureaucrats, some unqualified bureaucrats vote in Washington dc We have to get rid of all these mandates, get rid of the incentives, stop allowing California to dictate emission standards for the entire country and let the marketplace be free. That's, that's number one. Number two is we have to be an energy dominant country. We have to be the preeminent source of coal, natural gas, oil, nuclear around the world. And by the way, for the climate cultus out there, that's actually better for the planet because we make energy cleaner, safer, and better here in America than anywhere else on earth. And third regulations. Regulations are absolutely choking businesses. Any kind of business we have to make sure we have appropriate guardrails that let businesses invest and thrive. So Bernie, you know when, when you take a look at the Biden foreign policy that is backed by Sherrod Brown, I've not seen a worse foreign policy from a president in my lifetime. Obviously the Democratic Senate has been backing him pretty much every step of the way. What would you be doing with foreign policy that is different than, than how Sherrod Brown has been voting? Well, Sherrod Brown is just like Joe Biden willing to turn their backs on Israel for political reasons. That's what's sick about this. They know that Israel should be bipartisan. They know it's our strongest, most important ally in the Middle East. They know that Israel's fighting the war that we would otherwise have to fight, and that the money we give Israel's actually an investment in research and development. They make our weaponry better, so that relationship should be airtight. But because of Michigan and Minnesota, they're willing to absolutely kneecap Israel. We have to provide unequivocal support. The enemies of Israel are looking for that air between America and Israel. We can never let that happen. She Brown is on the side of the terrorist supporters, the people who wanna see Israel destroyed. It's disgusting, it's gross, and we're gonna make sure we point that out as well. And folks, one of the most important Senate races in the country. It, it's not just that, that Bernie Moreno has to beat Chad Brown. Instead, if Bernie Moreno does not beat Chad Brown, then you're gonna get a continuation, quite possibly of Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, which is a complete nightmare. Head on over to his campaign website if you wanna give bernie moreno.com. Again, that's bernie moreno.com. Bernie, thanks for running. Thanks for what you're doing. Good luck in the race. Thank you Ben. Alright guys, coming up, the world is reacting to the fact that we don't have a president at the top of our government. If you're not a member, become member. Use Coach Shapiro. 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right face case joe biden right thing see okay like lie sun come morning like lie sky blue perspective joe biden dementia s adult see mean joe biden clip election show doddering ll lot go fodder american body politic denial cheap fake context go believe anymore see live minute scale disaster perfectly obvious college expensive man not score jeremys razor year shaving dominate campus life conform ll stand clean shaven unapologetic precision deliver exceptionally smooth close shave design precision trimmer keep edge ergonomic handle superior control major masculinity jeremys razorscom today weekend twitter tape pass joe biden versus joe biden joe biden diminish joe biden joe biden tape joe biden versus joe biden contrast absolutely astonishing continue think fundamental change civil right civil right way include african americans lgbt community want away rid ability medicare ability oppose bus america oppose bus order department education s oppose make sure able single solitary person eligible ve able covid excuse deal look folk right eye s big issue wanna know member medium act outsized outrage horror today thing know answer cause get completely pantse joe biden angry joe biden pantse figure maintain lie joe biden behavior fully expose lie late american people democrat land know joe biden diminish entire medium know diminish white house know diminish figure okay pull wool americas eye shoot shoot state union address hell barely white house die die know s way go turn decide destroy destroy credibility pretend shock shock s gambling go admit lie know joe biden bad god know way supposedly continue believe honest say fine honest s go believe alternative lie entire time act absolutely shocked okay let start beginning coverage weekend astonish call biden leave real problem mechanism replace joe biden ticket joe biden determine step fairytale nonsense delegate convention simply go to vote somebody despite bind vote base state certification dnc true okay go to step problem step person back kamala harris s bad problem biden harris campaign fund hundred million dollar nontransferable s money biden harris campaign let end nominee money not shift gretchen whitmer gavin newsom josh shapiro kind sit not place fallout astonish get ton leak biden campaign team obama extreme understand team obama hate joe biden hate joe hate joe biden barack obama scorn sneer joe biden think dullard cause s right team obama think joe biden sort bizarre white guy interloper administration old daughtering relic past eagerly seize knife leak begin start interesting ve expect leak joe biden senility wait reelect nope break july month election break accord washington post president biden debate prep go fine session president speak haltingly confuse fact figure trip word meander debate prep fix stutter appear young aid new mean not sound like go fine biden board marine leave rustic camp david presidential retreat atlanta seek reassure anxious ally president say prepared perform say debate bore story say washington post base conversation individual involve brief president debate preparation speak condition anonymity describe private meeting biden campaign decline comment apparently topic ask thursday practice answer include final age aide bewilder performance s happen aide attempt hook talk biden family want joe remain race grift come rain come shine come snow come sleet grift s way work biden family joe biden long president jill actually elect president oppose right get president having elect having useful person hunter actually regular job oppose finger painting pick bag cash snort parmesan cheese carpet brother jim frank regular job not refer brother governmental position order pick bag cash sister actual campaign job not involve brother entire biden family ride corrupt coattail joe biden reg course push remain race blame aid aide blame biden s person s actually blame joe biden course joe biden jill joe capable make decision wife right mind allow husband humiliate billion people lady macbeth mean bizarre family dynamic inside biden family jill biden whisper ear hy hither pour spirit thine ear chastise valor tongue impede thee gold round joe biden historically nice character s go appear happen s blame aide aide blame person responsible s joe biden apparently aide like dude not debate joe biden like m fine everything good go great want debate go great shopify innovative startup platform shopify commerce platform social medium facebook instagram germany power shopify accord washington post aid leak try discern source leak fun kamala conservatory lead pipe speech write aid library stiletto aid bewilder performance feel see collapse dramatically biden veteran numerous debate understand give entirely different answer age question spend week perfect president stumble word appear lose focus not able finish sentence voice raspy thin debate conclude lady joe biden appear help husband stair apparently story washington post aide try justify love paragraph ready biden official speculate president prepared day lengthy prep session get inside head s problem problem s inside head get inside head get ballroom like spiderwebs overprepared dude look like somebody overprepare overprepare event little bit nervous botch beginning overprepare look like stumble sentence point know hell talk prepared debate begin thursday bidens aide gather hold room cnn studio know immediately president get rough start stumble answer economy end remark national debt gaff finally beat medicare early debate biden official start tell reporter president cold sore throat effort explain voice sound weak raspy biden aid ally worry month traditional presidential debate vigorously argue participate concerned task trump dominate encounter shouting bluster think skip debate biden look weak biden campaign ultimately agree debate insist event term talk thing rig joe biden joe bidens team insist term debate early date thing roll s s leak s leak axios astonishing leak truly amazing leak biden miscue limitation familiar inside white house time day important biden appear biden know somewhat slack jaw glassyeyed look s die biden pm biden dependably engage public event camera hold hour outside time range travel abroad biden likely verbal miscue fatigued aid tell axios good news guess president hour day like quarter time day probably enemy outside hour prob long happen basically string sentence spell word cat spot c t outside hour s basically hit head toilet invent flux capacitor guy like s totally leak leak attempt mitigate damage sentient okay s word come age united states call sundowne s sundowne hit dude go s be not go upstairs aide leak leak understand not leak stuff fire go to come biden team go to try blame biden failure here thing stupid attempt biden team problem aid problem know get medium finally report story not report month coverup medium lie lie say crazy talk joe bidens dementia fact s ad story suddenly break loose like magic understand s people like appear coordinated sort crazy plan plan get pantse old senile man s joe biden desperately think strong thirty go to go to debate terrible donald trump ly insist aide strong withstand pestering jill company stage condition stack favor crap bed entire medium humiliate play defense ve lie behalf act shock moral obligation act shock not complicit lie here thing know complicit lie right know lie year eye lie ear lie brain lie lie okay story start break okay here wall street journal quote loud public alarm joe bidens mental acuity come february release special counsel robert report document produce spend hour interview president reveal biden display significant memory problem democrat worry follow president lead dismiss partisan hackery here thing interview official abroad democrats say witness moment biden behavior concern quickly relieve biden appear regain footing leave shake experience european official express worry private biden focus stamina thursday debate senior diplomat say attract noticeable deterioration president faculty meeting summer real doubt biden successfully manage second term senior european diplomat say administration official private discussion deny problem white house dispute characterization biden stumble world stage national security council speak adrian watson head foreign leader joe biden close personal know deal effective important leadership s foreigner say accord wall street journal diplomat describe biden performance group seven summit italy june mix biden appear physically frailer past alert important discussion love important discussion great joe like seven outta awake good ugh amazing work biden miss summit dinner party medieval castle camera scripted summit leader exchange view candidly g seven leader attend meal day biden follow plan forego swiss peace summit ukraine attend california fundraiser instead white house official dispute portrait president slip european trip include hour day chockfull meeting not miss beat say deli singh deputy national security advisor international economic official say biden performance focus vary significantly meeting meeting senior european official cite eu summit october washington biden struggle follow discussion say stumble talk point moment require secretary state anthony blinken intervene point line use quote biden official deny lie wooster deutsche shopify innovative startup platform shopify commerce platform social medium facebook instagram shopify shopify germany power shopify europeans see long time polish prime minister donald tusk far right winger say afraid expect direct confrontation debate easy president definitely problem reaction unambiguous norbert rutkin senior lawmaker germanys central right opposition party say quote democrats switch horse slovenia prime minister janan jana say bet month ago biden long ballot november biden france commemorate anniversary dee june struggle bilateral meeting paris zelensky biden speak softly reporter bring document meeting man not initially hear american president like white house keep pretend not happen know month go to leak know month aide staff complain try biden family cause right accord axio joe biden close aide carefully shield people inside outside white house beginning presidency intermittent access result current white house aids shock president limitation debate thursday night current white house aide feel whiplash question biden fulfill second term chandler west white house deputy director photography january write time joe know people white house operate cold experience bad night week month private ve say see night joe strong couple year ago okay person say resident official tell axio joe biden protective president anthony protect not let d joe bidens anthony burnell separation family resident staff big divide suppose usually not trump white house aide like fault fault here thing polling unambiguous american people think joe biden fit president united states period end story june question gov biden mental cognitive health serve president americans june say say today number seven americans think mental cognitive health serve president united states register voter say trump say democrats right today biden run president register voter run president democratic register voter run president scale disaster area not biden run president age decision office here problem record president third americans like forget fact s see s terrible president term polling debate candidate present idea clearly trump appear presidential trump inspire confidence trump plan policy trump democrats go to point low number trump s true enthusiastic vote joe biden democrats enthusiastic vote joe biden excited vote joe biden economy poll register voter financially well trump win biden win trump democracy rule law democracy rule law safe biden win trump win trump not biden not win disastrous number joe biden polling biden absolutely awful know democrat not wanna let sort news need close curtain well blind recommend blindscom blindscom cover july early access sale shop huge discount premium customizable window treatment love blindscom invent well way shop energy saving blind shutter motorize option cool outdoor shade online blind dot com free design expert help minor project like update window treatment major impact home aesthetic keep thing easy affordable send free example plus unlimited window treatment instal low cost satisfaction guarantee blind enhance aesthetic home offer practical benefit blind help regulate temperature inside home potentially help reduce energy bill studio hot sun comes glare window get blind blindscom keep cool hot summer month join blind dot com half million customer million window cover shop blind dot com huge july early access sale right sizzle summer saving site wide limited timeblindscom not forget tell ben shapiro send s blindscom rule restriction apply polling uptick expect donald trump thank debate nate silver point number go wrong direction somewhat small somewhat durable increase polling number donald trump debate donald trump jump percentage point polling datum late poll survey usa trump new york times ci poll take debate trump s poll come debate show trump atlanta atlas intel s trump plus rfk pick scale disaster area biden campaign s wide divide left biden stay question close joe biden personally member medium basically call member democratic political establishment call stay member interest actually diverge barack obama elect elect president democrats medium basically giant blob indistinguishable revolving door jen psaki white house mmsnbc maybe white house msnbc work press apparatus democratic white house s democratic party press indistinguishable change week credibility press invest joe biden thing say not thing press interest uphold veracity have write article article article say story senility republicans pounce story new york times editorial board literally call joe biden run quote president biden repeatedly rightfully describe stake november presidential election future american democracy biden say s candidate good chance take threat tyranny defeat argument rest largely fact beat trump long sufficient rationale mr biden democratic nominee year thursday debate president need convince american public equal formidable demand office s seek hold term voter expect ignore instead plain mr biden man year ago stand president engage reckless gamble democratic leader well equip present clear compelling energetic alternative second trump presidency s reason party risk stability security country force voter choose trump deficiency biden big bet simply hope americans overlook discount mr biden age infirmity eye race come choice trump biden sit president board unequivocal pick s danger trump pose give danger stake country uneven ability mr biden united states need strong opponent presumptive republican nominee new york times editorial board call joe biden step race thing joe biden capable run race not president amendment guy s sile run s sile president united states axios report s sentient hour pm way clock s sentient hour kid school legitimately axios report medium say truth bizarrely require credibility say truth late lie heres jonathan carl b c news say democrats pretend joe biden day debate sense dread democrat fear campaign head consider unthinkable donald trump victory november president biden need strong debate physical mental ability defeat donald trump s spend nearly week camp david army advisor prepare debate rule format advisor design prominent democrat pretend need debate stage way democrats worried joe biden go to drag senate candidate oddity democratic candidate poll biden nearly swing state year sheard brown ohio s polling biden pennsylvania bob casey poll biden pennsylvania arizona democratic candidate senate ruben gallego polling biden biden actually trail senate candidate democrats problem turnout real low democrats lose seat freak wall street journal report quote democrats worry president biden reelect prospect uneven debate thursday point bright spot year campaign party senate candidate vulnerable house candidate generally pull well weaken president democratic candidate aide try sort biden halt performance daze appearance s sap partys goal retain senate flip house chamber majority play fall way report politico morning democrats house basically beg donor need house go to win presidency member press probably go vote joe biden matter appal see pretend listen bill maher m friendly bill honest beginning joe biden diminish expect trump run strong maher listen audience ma say audience entire maher audience leftwe audience know ve time entire audience laugh joe bidens performance see thing here mar know joe famously love train apparently think night confused halt trail ve see beauty pageant contestant answer question well not wanna bad new secret service amber hear m come folk pod save america upset pod bros pod save obama boy obama team ve see joe fragile vessel obama agenda like god bless go to throw guy bus here medi hassan qatari man boy pod save america lament fall joe biden ve georgia ve michigan recently single brown person meet people vote democrat life vote democratic want punish biden not shoot messenger m tell people say dare ask people vote morning watch night thing different place people see car crash eye understand big challenge race capture people attention fractured media environment opportunity opportunity million americans tune joe biden party problem democrats problem joe biden s people try tell right okay positive america bros say need politico entire article mainstream medium say need open war break team biden t obama politico report quote biden camp lash alum obama alum push hour remove debate performance president joe biden widely see catastrophic member campaign team lash president democratic critic meet expression grief dread fear debate mockery direct onetime ally make perfect sense obama team scorn biden team okay ve talk people want joe biden second go to people particularly inside administration inside democratic call power want joe biden stay resign fate moment time talk freedom week daily wire plus not celebrate freedom literally give away year buy year daily wire plus year free mean additional year uncensored unfiltered ad free access come hang access channel get plus demand ondemand access library hit movie groundbreake documentary hard hit series investigative journalism not well easy year daily wire plus year free head daily wire plus dot com right okay democratic medium panic real s big problem democrats big problem person back joe biden course kamala harris s unpopular brief montage kamala harris talk s phrase like use know limitation possibility bind time like af wash hand go not know imagine unburden know yeah unburdened unburden unburden unburden believe unburden unburden happen god s irritate s s alternative good job dei glad desperately need select black woman vice president end kamala harris oppose know like amy amy klobuchar way vice president right thing finish case msnbc joe scarborough attempt maintain semblance journalistic credibility week basically throw biden bus week ms weekend msnbc like got to buy s go to nominee s awkward let buy sucker joe scarborough put witness protection segment course say joe drop mika like minute segment magnificent human bright ingenious witty incisive insightful acidic joe biden day north carolina joe biden form find voice winning smile vintage sparkle eye vintage parent sparkle parent different old night day not debate night day day know sound night day know tell truth know know vintage start pm joe biden fresh trip europe normandy anniversary dday state dinner president macron italy g seven follow flight time zone la fundraiser time zone president barack obama wow fly plane let talk age age wisdom experience case case joe biden lead dementia bipartisan legislation pass president past generation large expansion nato alliance history joe biden age america strong economically militarily half century good lord century believe crap okay fine mko bosky like m go to massage thing reality happen biden family make clear be not go go wanna know go way go love power love quick note nico burzynski show film joe biden s like s totally different day clearly short clip hack hand stare g classily teleprompter confirm joe biden video talk s stand democracy angley particular video jump cut second mcee music video joe biden democracy essence unique nation world unite base race ethnicity geography base idea hold truth selfevident woman man create equal declaration independence constitution thing guardrail sure democracy able sustain able vote able opportunity fair deal chance rest constitution democracy vehicle method hold s jump cut second video not worry s fine accord tomika brunski okay happen present actual president united states joe biden cover vogue magazine president jill lady joe biden decide future carry different meaning probably interview august issue decide future here quote story quote want know power feel like try drive motorcade flash police chaperone light form perimeter blaze highway wait car back entry ramp pass world hold breath rule not apply mile entourage noisily hustle follow trim blonde woman pristine white suit stride nonchalantly pla clang gurgle brewing vat aim office glimpse lady dr jill biden exit seal chamber power middle america vision calm amid utter cacophony y wanna know joe biden go to stay race s reason s go to stay race damn spot lady macbeth rest biden family corrupt day long mean ve say decade point god justice come joe biden live extraordinarily corrupt familial life super corrupt day senator power behalf enrichment family ben shreck inger excellent book biden family talk go way level corruption inside biden family talk brother jim frank talk sister val talk wife jill talk son include hunter level corruption inside biden family extraordinary entire thing giant grift benefit papa biden be not get to prop guy cause minute s go guess happen gravy train hunter finger paint snort blow hooker impregnate child father visit val real job frank jim real job jill go noname community college professor study nonsense university delaware sad sac wilmington s s stay race good america good democratic party family s s stay race tell biden family exactly know generosity know way help car kid child life mold home school friend community positive experience area help build healthy child car kid s car k register nonprofit organization give child tool succeed life car s sit driveway take space consider donate car kid tired look old car driveway hear spouse complain let car kid care here work visit websitecarsforkidsorg slash ben let process take minute car kid schedule pickup time s convenient not car help car kid accept noncash donation school supply clothing sport equipment item sit closet collect dust donate today well tomorrow child need whatcha wait visit car kidsorgben ball roll s car k slash ben s car kidsorgben accord new york times weekend joe biden huddle family mean surround presumably give form dialysis accord new york times president bidens family urge stay race fight despite week disastrous debate performance member clan privately express exasperation prepare event staff people close situation set sunday blame staff course course remember say early aid leak s reason leak jill company like probably staff fault adult old man soil night probably night nurse fault obviously bedpan s night nurse fault guy crap bed pan mr biden huddle wife child grandchild know london robertss kid not talk camp david try figure tamp democratic anxiety way fun trivia fact camp david name grandson eisenhower year young joe biden real real fact relative acutely aware poorly president trump argue country remain capable serve year mr biden solicit idea advisor proceed staff discuss hold news conference sit interview defend change narrative decide put camera put camera big fool heretofore strong voice implore biden resist pressure drop son hunter smart person joe biden know adult useless drug addict mid fifty convict felon s s person need advise stay presidency course hunter want stay not dad hunter ve jail year ago strong voice implore biden resist pressure drop son hunter president long lean advice say people inform discussion like speak condition anonymity share internal deliberation hunter biden want americans version father know scrappy command fact version hunter know mean fair dude awful lot cocaine family member try figure helpful president grandchild express interest get involved campaign talk influencer social medium genius plan genius plan dead man race grandkid talk weird tiktok influencer come white house sashay lady clothing male people inform situation say entire family unite add flatly president get outta race discuss fair discuss past year s busy drool cup anger democrats evidence sunday john morgan democratic donor s close bidens brother frank publicly blame advisor manage president debate preparation cite ron klain anita dunn bob bauer biden long fool value anita dunn husband morgan write social medium need today grifting gross political malpractice elaborate quote like take prize fighter s go to title fight sauna hour say fight believe debate solely ron klain bob bauer anita dunn naturally bauer dunn one leak press couple democrats point family member morgan not attend preparation session idea go member biden circle say happy debate turn human late nature look somebody blame okay bidens family course jill lead way suggest stay s treat like toddler mean honestly humiliating thing america m sure joe biden performance wife treatment performance trot stage hold hand way hold grandmother hand come stage treat like answer question joe honestly terrible family truly terrible family level grift level corruption kind feel bad biden buy s reason get game place team biden desperate respond ve issue email astonishing email entire campaign list quote like get lot text call folk state race thursday maybe panicked aunt maga uncle selfimportant podcaster d reference obama bros literally attack political ally tough position think helpful send response yes debate start rough voter see threat donald trump country actual voter perceive debate differently pay attention politic lot like s get email go cable news break news people think joe bidens old come debate come outta debate time lot people rise colored glass trump year flash poll cnn survey usa morning consult date progress expect debate change horse race sure longterm impact debate overstate let remember obama lose debate bush lose reagan lose debate point debate president united states effectively die stage require ventilator zapper chest day debate biden campaign send note everybody biden give fiery defiant speech tackle concern age head not know watch joe biden leave debate stage speak rally go waffle house waffle house know strength perseverance take waffle house know like person like go waffle house get plane god ve see plane fly raleigh raleigh like north carolina fly fly plane okay plane hang supporter tarmac mean stand people mean vibrance youth energy get plane hold plane guy follow amazing thing joe biden leave debate stage s number speak rally read teleprompter s go waffle house get plane fly hang tarmac go bed wake give amazing speech get plane go new york holy crap visit stonewall elton john fact tape elton john relegate way write roberts de niro elton john hit joe biden ill point point elton john spritely year old year ago jill honor host white house bestow national humanitarian medal humanitie medal america high award god come sentence today honor teleprompter stonewall welcome elton john stand vision value let misinformation senseless scapegoating turn clock way joe biden laugh like crazy person background accord biden campaign quote bedwette brigade call joe biden drop bedwette brigade ally bedwette brigade well possible way donald trump win lose joe biden go democratic nominee period end story end story voter vote win overwhelmingly drop lead week chaos internal food fight bunch candidate limp brutal floor fight convention donald trump time speak american voter unconteste service nominee d general election weak possible position bank account want high lose like desperation wreak email seven joe biden democratic nominee period worry poll supporter get board wow impressive email go entire email list desperation democratic party fall right line course politician fall like know s go fall line jamie harrison dnc chair say not hear anybody want step hear anybody fact corner silence ne hear say step hear hand ring come pundit rev oped like new york time not hear people ve see galvanization particularly black community yeah m black man ve see galvanization support joe biden know rev black community family wanna member family not let somebody s unify people support s ve see term support joe biden folk understand joe biden go to okay jamie harrison say joe biden like member black people family go to ask like question go barack obama guy yeah black voter feel be not see poll james clyburn s man joe biden president basically endorse bernie sander say joe biden stay race not know captivate audience captivate day like magic like guy great order like martin luther king mall unbelievable oration joe biden capture audience palm feeble withered old hand james clyburn try try pick way minefield stay race demonstrate go forward capacity lead country hear people people floor yes trepidation morning people talk express opinion joe biden drop everybody say need calibration go forward s need day get north carolina s freewheel captivate audience freewheel mean s read directly teleprompter raphael warnock widely discuss possible replacement biden ticket treaty dropout senator georgia say actually trump biden trump cognitive exam s weird cause trump offer exactly biden turn here warnock try walk way course election ought test man ought public ought frankly hear donald trump talk nervous not need yes cognitive test trump cognitive exam yes listen m m m doctor listen frankly ve think think president biden drop race senator oh absolutely entire life entire life public service year s show american people s problem show sleep s go early bird dinner dennys go home go sleep oclock afternoon nancy pelosi eighty say donald trump dementia way say politic wonderful state like people yell dementia signal rest world strength vim vigor nancy pelosi speaker house people biden kamala harris opportunity joe biden stamina rest way press reason not healthcare professional think trump dementia connection thought okay speaking people dementia speaker house thing go united states america here reality joe biden be not go s go to stay race s go to run thing way end time go to hide s go to campaign stage prolonged period time teleprompt long form interview long form press conference second debate afford joe biden position progressive dementia s pretty obviously progressive dementia highlight s thing donald trump actually actually sleep go sleep donald trump right hell wake president november simple donald trump pursue joe bidens basement strategy point election referendum joe biden stay referendum joe biden joe biden president united states come november okay break s big supreme court news friday case call loper versus raimondo socalle chevron deference overrule chevron deference case year ago call chevron natural resource defense counsel basically rule establish supreme court rule administrative agency adjudicator interpretation statute explain let rule pass congress vague rule epa environmental protection agency environmental protection agency proceed wildly reinterpret statute bring administrative charge violate statute epa bring like regular court violation bring epas administrative judicial panel adjudicate owe fine people appeal court supreme court say hold good interpreting like vagueness statute go to leave expert epa determine statute mean apply statute setup real constitutional problem effectively mean congress abdicate legislative duty pass vague statute clear pass executive branch unelected administrative agency power effectively write stuff blank statute apply statute judicially enforce executive branch essentially dictatorship administrator s chevron set effectively speak set unified legislative judicial executive branch inside unelected body administrative official set standard chevron deference judiciary sign chat administrative agency wildly unreasonable interpretation authority statute court step rule basically court deference court go deferential administrative agency interpretation vague statute long interpretation reasonable friday overrule supreme court decision hold administrative procedure act require court exercise independent judgment decide agency act statutory authority court defer agency interpretation law simply statute ambiguous chevron overrule article constitution assign federal judiciary responsibility power adjudicate case controversy concrete dispute consequence party involve framer appreciate law judge necessarily apply resolve dispute clear envision final interpretation law proper peculiar province court word fourth independent branch government court recognize e exercise independent judgment include accord respect executive branch interpretation federal statute quickly start turn unending authority administrative agency idea chevron not job originally chevron design order allow executive agency statute comprehensible consistent instead happen year interpretation statute change president appoint d elect appoint new administrator epa administrator flip interpretation statute way statute suppose work actually go to s practical effect force congress specificity legislation good thing administrative branch government constitutional structure original constitutional structure creation teddy roosevelt woodrow wilson progressive early century foreign constitutional bargain founder give outsized authority idea expert well place order law judge law implement law false judiciary treat judicial use patient like judiciary insert not belong judiciary say don understand role interpret statute role executive branch administrate statute legislative branchs job define statute piss poor job go to interpret correct correct reason correct supreme court say chevron presumption misguide agency special competence resolve statutory ambiguity court framer anticipate court confront statutory ambiguity expect court resolve exercise independent legal judgment chevron gravely air conclude inquiry fundamentally different administrative interpretation play point traditional tool statutory construction resolve statutory ambiguity word administrative agency interest expand power interpreting statute way find friendly judge suppose sort issue create independent branch government word wrong reality chevron ruling observed breach reality like year cite chevron deference court basically apply kind step put stake heart chevron supreme court say chevron unworkable define feature framework identification statutory ambiguity concept ambiguity evade meaningful definition impressionistic malleable concept stand everyday test allocate interpretive authority court agency course exactly correct left freak actually want unappointed government deep state actually sit interpret law way left like permanent employee executive branch administrative agency rule life supreme court say nope judge wrong statute mean sue federal court long deference administrative agencys interpretation statute big ruling big ruling happen friday supreme court raise bar obstruction charge donald trump january offender reuter report justice rule throw low court decision allow charge corruptly obstruct official proceeding defendant joseph fisher police officer typically charge corruptly obstruct official proceeding mean impair availability integrity document record relate official proceeding right obstruct mean destroy document mean hide document talk cop like way know not excuse weird decision justice kanji brown jackson actually join conservative justice amy coney barrett join liberal particular ruling write dissent join sonya soor lady kagan s potential booze obstruction charge talk time way broad obstruction mean apply s riot weird apply obstruction riot strange thing good ruling supreme court couple come today m sure discuss tomorrow final bit news socalle far right kick butt france far right anymore not far right win vote french parliamentary election call right macron certainly right france maureen lap penns national rally accord wall street journal notch victory round parliamentary election france sunday move party step close goal win control national assembly take rein government emmanuel macrons pro business party na tally finish commie new popular get basically france public socalle far right far right way not mean economically right wing far right mean not like vast swath muslim immigrant arrive destroy social integrity france mean not like far leave social policy s kinda far right quote unquote far right stand oddly proisis israel party sort attempt paint antisemitic weird cause proisis israel party far left hate israel pro street celebrate ten thousand red flag course normie france s particularly assuage thought fear national rally come emmanuel macrons party national rally win majority national assembly macron faced possibility share power quote far right government vichy france macrons presidential term say go to resign apparently lap penn ally striking distance seat majority national assembly compel macron select prime minister lap pen rank person s likely name jordan barella talk evil call micronism s place immigration rise cost live center campaign reach majority macron communist insane center france center friendly communist sort traditional right wing party not like mass immigration apparently national rally estimate win seat communist expect win seat macron ally win seat political realignment way macron side communist election go to heavy swamp right right kick butt election france run directly ditch people believe open immigration multiculturalism actual way preserve country clearly clearly join line bernie moreno columbian american businessman republican senatorial candidate ohio s challenge incumbent democratic senator sherrod brown bernie thank join appreciate thank ben m go to guest speak fast common sound great let talk race obviously senate rest raiser edge right race incredibly important ohio state president trump expect win run away sher brown tough candidate s multiple term senate big falsehood people believe sherrod brown try debunk campaign s inevitable s somebody moderate bipartisan work party line know s radical senator office today guy run office time graduate yale major russian study land moon guy s way long s forever politician s worker s entire branding reality ve lose manufacturing job watch policy exact reason ve lose manufacture job high taxis high regulation attack energy go to point s go to win race little polling datum actually ohio senate race poll ve see ameri poll month ago point poll certainly striking distance margin bear like point head internal polling show right especially give fact know know fresh joe biden absolutely collapse stage night s get to drag democratic turnout number yeah absolutely reality opponent brown vote percent time joe biden go to tie reality polling ben show ohio idea point republicans point here stand energy dominance safe secure border support ally like israel peace stability world guy exact opposite s senator high price open border contrast m confident go to retire forever politician not need guy washington dc obviously longtime business person ve see government impact business state ohio ve mention share brown policie open immigration policy subsidization thing like electric car scheme talk little bit industrial policy look like versus share brown industrial policy let talk evs know retail automotive business start dealership build group dealership represent brand understand simple thing consumer one dictate pace innovation direction innovation vote pocketbook infinitely important bureaucrat unqualified bureaucrat vote washington dc rid mandate rid incentive stop allow california dictate emission standard entire country let marketplace free s s number number energy dominant country preeminent source coal natural gas oil nuclear world way climate cultus s actually well planet energy cleaner safe well america earth regulation regulation absolutely choke business kind business sure appropriate guardrail let business invest thrive bernie know look biden foreign policy back sherrod brown ve see bad foreign policy president lifetime obviously democratic senate back pretty step way foreign policy different sherrod brown vote sherrod brown like joe biden willing turn back israel political reason s s sick know israel bipartisan know strong important ally middle east know israel fight war fight money israel actually investment research development weaponry well relationship airtight michigan minnesota willing absolutely kneecap israel provide unequivocal support enemy israel look air america israel let happen brown terrorist supporter people wanna israel destroy disgust gross go to sure point folk important senate race country bernie moreno beat chad brown instead bernie moreno beat chad brown go to continuation possibly senate majority leader chuck schumer complete nightmare head campaign website wanna bernie morenocom s bernie morenocom bernie thanks run thank good luck race thank ben alright guy come world react fact not president government member member use coach shapiro check month free annual plan click link description join

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Speeches, etc. 1. Mr. Dalyell asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what representations she has had from the Vice-Chancellors Committee on the subject of student accommodation; and what plans she has discussed to make greater provision. The Under-Secretary of State for Education and Science (Mr. William van Straubenzee) My right hon. Friend has received and discussed with the Vice-Chancellors Committee a memorandum on the 1972–77 quinquennium which includes its view on student accommodation. She hopes that building programmes already authorised will make it possible to increase the number of university residential places from nearly 87,000 in 1970–71 to about 120,000 in 1974–75. Mr. Dalyell In relation to the 1972–77 programme, in 1977 how much of the university accommodation will supposedly be substandard? Mr. van Straubenzee I would prefer to limit myself to the programmes which have already been announced. As the hon. Gentleman realises, they show a welcome increase in the percentage of students who will be in provided residences. Mr. R. C. Mitchell Is the Minister aware that in many university towns the acute shortage of accommodation and the fact that four or five students are willing to share one flat are forcing up rent levels of private flats to the disadvantage of local inhabitants? Mr. van Straubenzee I am also aware, Sir, that there are special difficulties in the city, part of which the hon. Gentleman represents, but the loan finance system now being operated by the University Grants Committee, taking the country as a whole, is working remarkably well. 25. Mr. Deakins asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what [column 1525]is the cost per student of providing purpose-built residential accommodation for university students and for students in other institutions of advanced education. Mr. van Straubenzee The basic building cost of providing a study bedroom and ancillary accommodation for a student in the public sector is £970. When the cost of fees, furniture and external works is taken into account the total figure is of the order of £1,300 per student. The cost for a university student is about the same. Mr. Deakins The hon. Gentleman will be aware that that is a very welcome answer. Will it be the policy of the Government to ensure that other facilities as between the public sector and the universities will work out at the same equal figure of cost per student? Mr. van Straubenzee I would not like to give an assurance over the whole range, but the hon. Gentleman will know, because I am very much in sympathy with the spirit of his supplementary question, that building cost limits have significantly been improved in the public sector, to the benefit of both the sectors about which he is concerned. Mr. Moyle Does the hon. Gentleman agree that many conventional commercial organisations will not provide finance for this purpose but that the Vice-Chancellors Committee has recommended that a public body should be set up to deal with this matter? In view of the conversion of the Vice-Chancellors at any rate to a modicum of Socialism, will not the hon. Gentleman give in gracefully? Mr. van Straubenzee I am not sure that this is proving a difficulty commercially. In fact, in the current year it is going well. However I am always prepared, within proper limits and with reference to the University Grants Committee, to look into any particular case. 2. Mrs. Renée Short asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what recent changes there have been in the numbers of teachers employed by local education authorities. The Secretary of State for Education and Science (Mrs. Margaret Thatcher) At the end of January, 1972, over 20,600 [column 1526]more teachers were employed by local education authorities in England and Wales than on 1st February, 1971. Mrs. Renée Short Has the right hon. Lady had information since January, 1972, that some local authorities are proposing to, or have, cut down the number of teachers to prevent increases in the rates? Does she not think this is a deplorable practice, and will she advise local education authorities which are doing this that it is against her policies? Mrs. Thatcher So far as I am aware, local education authorities have not cut down the number of teachers so much as announced that they will not increase them or replace teachers who are retiring. Mrs. Renée Short Well—— Mrs. Thatcher May I continue? The information I have from one authority refers to a case which is already substantially over quota. I agree with the hon. Lady that I do not wish any cuttingdown of teaching staff to take place because I regard the provision of adequate teaching staff as one of the most important aspects of education. Mr. Edward Short As there is to be an increase of 18,000 or 19,000 in the total number of teachers in September, does not the Minister agree that it is essential for local authorities to take up their full quota? If the right hon. Lady hears of such cases, as she may well do in the next few weeks, will she take vigorous action to see that local education authorities employ their full quota? Mrs. Thatcher The increase may be even more than 18,000 because, as the right hon. Gentleman will have heard, last year the increase was of some 20,000 teachers. As the right hon. Gentleman knows, the quota is adjusted to take into account the number of teachers expected to come out of teacher training colleges. A large number of authorities are over quota, only three are precisely on quota and some are below. One purpose of the quota is to see that all trained teachers are employed by local education authorities. 8. Mr. Marks asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science how many local authorities have applied for [column 1527]additional teachers for slow-learning children since her speech on the subject at Easter, 1971; and how many additional posts have been approved. Mrs. Thatcher The quotas of 13 authorities have been increased by a total of 577 teachers. Mr. Marks I am grateful for that reply, which I welcome. Is the right hon. Lady aware that there is a danger that slow-learning children and even average children in schools are not getting a fair share of the staff and that staff are being concentrated in the sixth forms? Have Her Majesty's inspectors reported on this danger? Mrs. Thatcher The answer to the specific question is “No” . I note that the hon. Gentleman is grateful for the answer, but I myself do not think the answer is good enough and it is somewhat disappointing. I hope we shall have more applications for more teachers. The hon. Gentleman heard the answer to a previous Question and will know that more teachers are available this year compared with last year. The increase is more than we expected. 19. Mr. Spearing asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science when, and in what form, she expects to publish statistics concerning the future supply of teachers. Mrs. Thatcher I cannot yet add to the reply given to the hon. Gentleman's Questions on 28th March. The number of teachers in service is at present increasing by about 18,000–20,000 a year.—[Vol. 834, c. 63.] Mr. Spearing Does not the right hon. Lady understand that that is a disappointing reply? Does she not recall that as long ago as last March the Under-Secretary of State said that these figures were available and that he was considering in what form to publish them? On 13th April the right hon. Lady herself said that she hoped to publish them soon. Is not the continued suppression of these figures incompatible with our democratic institutions and practices? Mrs. Thatcher No figures are being suppressed. If the hon. Gentleman cares to look at my reply he can calculate for himself the future supply of teachers on [column 1528]present policies. The only factor none of us knows about is the wastage factor, which we find is slightly less from the teaching profession than it was, and this could have a significant effect on the figures. Sir G. Nabarro Would my right hon. Friend apply herself to one point? Is teacher supply today adequate to ensure that within a measurable length of time from now we can reduce the size of primary school classes to below 30? Mrs. Thatcher Class sizes, particularly in primary schools, are a less and less significant gauge of the number of teachers available. We usually go by pupil-teacher ratio, because fewer and fewer children in primary schools are taught, in the strict sense of the word, in class. As my hon. Friend can see from my reply, the supply of teachers will go up over a period of five years by about 100,000. This is already making a significant improvement in teacher-pupil ratios in schools, including primary schools. Mr. Moyle Does not the right hon. Lady agree that she undertook to the House to begin consultations on the James Report by Easter? Will she confirm that she has begun them? If that is the case, the answer to my hon. Friend's question is that she has begun the consultations without a lot of the essential information being available. Does she think that that is the right way to carry on consultations about a matter which has grave implications for the training of teachers and the future of the education system? Mrs. Thatcher The hon. Gentleman is wrong. He has the figures of future teacher supply on the basis of existing policies. We have not yet decided any changes in policies. If changes are decided upon we shall have to recalculate certain figures. To answer the earlier part of his question—apart from the innuendos—I promised to start consultations just after Easter. Consultations are now taking place. 3. Mr. Hardy asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science how many education authorities will serve a [column 1529]population of below one-quarter of a million after 1st April, 1974; and if she will seek to discuss ways in which her Department can offer special assistance. Mrs. Thatcher On the basis of the 1971 census figures of population, 14 in the Greater London area, nine in the rest of England and two in Wales. I have no reason to think these authorities need special assistance. Mr. Hardy Does the right hon. Lady agree that there is continuing anxiety about the position of smaller authorities following reorganisation? Will she therefore agree to confer with representatives of local authorities which are likely to bear responsibility in those areas on the ways in which the needs can be met and the arrangements that are necessary? Mrs. Thatcher Good local education authorities can be found in all size ranges. Size is not the only criterion of efficiency. I have no reason to think that the smaller authorities will require any special assistance. Mr. Edward Short I agree that size cannot be equated with efficiency or quality, but would not the right hon. Lady agree that there is a minimum size below which no local authority should be able to fall? Since it is understood that 15 metropolitan districts will be below the Government's figure of 250,000, will the right hon. Lady discuss with her right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for the Environment the possibility of supporting our idea, which seeks to give her the power at any time in future to combine two or more metropolitan districts? Mrs. Thatcher I do not agree that there is any rigid minimum. Certainly neither the Department nor the Royal Commission ever set a rigid minimum; indeed the Royal Commission avoided doing just that. There are already powers in the Education Act, 1944, to have joint education authorities where both authorities agree. 4. Mr. Winterton asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether she will detail the basis upon which the education element of the rate support grant is allocated to local education authorities. Mrs. Thatcher The answer would be very long and complex. I shall therefore write to my hon. Friend giving as much information as possible. Mr. Winterton I thank my right hon. Friend for her reply and look forward to receiving her letter and its interesting details in due course. Is she aware that certain subjects in a school's curriculum are sadly starved of equipment? I refer to the subject of needlework which is taught in many secondary schools and I would point out that if parents do not supply materials their children are unable to take advantage of the class. Surely this will affect their potential in the marriage stakes later in life. Mrs. Thatcher I should not like to be accused of being associated with that idea though, one never knows, they might avoid quite a load of trouble. Needlework and such subjects would come within the category of books and equipment, and my hon. Friend will be aware that once a local education authority has received the rate support grant I have no control over how the money is spent. Account is taken in the rate support grant negotiations of the need to improve the amounts available for equipment both of this and of other kinds. Mr. Marks Is the Secretary of State aware that it is not the local education authority which gets the grant but the council? Is she satisfied that the improvements in education for which allowance is made in the rate support grant have been carried out by all councils? Mrs. Thatcher I have no authority once the rate support grant has gone to the council. What the hon. Gentleman has said is one reason why we are retaining statutory education authorities under the new Bill, because we feel they will have greater powers to secure provision for the future of education than otherwise would be the case. 5. Mr. David Clark asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what advice she has given to local education authorities about the co-ordination of educational activities prior to the transference of educational services under the [column 1531]proposed local government reorganisation; and if she will make a statement. Mrs. Thatcher Until the Local Government Bill has been enacted no official advice will be given. Informal advice is being given by the Department and the inspectorate when requested. Local education authorities are aware of the problems and are taking steps to prepare for the changes. Mr. Clark Does the Minister realise that many parents will be disappointed with her reply? Does she not appreciate that there is considerable disquiet among parents about the future of their children in case they suffer due to the administrative changeover? Does she realise that this is especially relevant at certain levels since there is a feeling in some areas that one might see the reintroduction of the 11-plus? Mrs. Thatcher It would be wrong for me to send out a circular until the Bill had been through this House and the other place—in other words, until the legislation has been properly enacted. We still have a further stage to go through in this House and, one never knows, there may even be changes in the other place. It would be advisable to wait for official advice until the process is complete. In the meantime, if unofficial advice is required it will be given. Local education authorities are well aware of the problems and are not being idle in taking steps towards their solution. Captain W. Elliot Will my right hon. Friend ensure that where the new boundary isolates a school from the previous school population, it will not be an obstacle to children crossing the boundary? Mrs. Thatcher I gladly give the assurance that the boundary will not be an obstacle, any more than the present boundary is an obstacle to a young person going to a school on the other side of that boundary if both local education authorities agree. 6. Mr. Tilney asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what advice and training have been provided through Her Majesty's inspectors and teachers on the teaching of Western Euro[column 1532]pean languages in view of the need to facilitate British trade with Western Europe. Mr. van Straubenzee Her Majesty's inspectors are in constant touch with local education authorities, schools and colleges and in the normal course of their duties give advice on foreign language teaching. Each year they run a series of short courses for teachers covering the languages most widely taught in schools and the techniques of instruction involved. Mr. Tilney Does my hon. Friend agree that once Britain joins the Common Market there will be a substantial demand by many British companies for salesmen who can speak several European languages? Should not great efforts now be made to see that the youth of this country is so qualified? Mr. van Straubenzee Yes, Sir. In my view, whether or not—but certainly when—we join the Common Market, this will be a great requirement for our young people. I would draw attention not only to the work on this subject done in the schools but to the work carried out in further education colleges, which is very material indeed. Mr. Moyle Would the hon. Gentleman agree that when this matter was last the subject of Questions on 9th March he agreed with me that English was likely to be the major working language of the Common Market because of its strength and precision and that provision for its teaching was going ahead on this basis? How does he reconcile this view with President Pompidou 's desire that French should be the major working language of the Community? Mr. van Straubenzee I should have thought that in course of time English might become the major single language, but for a very long time—certainly in the foreseeable future—a good working knowledge of other languages in the Common Market will be an essential part of the equipment of our young people. 9. Mr. Dykes asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what estimate has been made by her Department on the size of the waiting list for pre-school places in the London Borough of Harrow. Mr. van Straubenzee The Department does not make or collect estimates of this kind. Mr. Dykes Does not my hon. Friend think that it is rather disappointing that this Socialist-controlled local authority appears not to have the slightest idea of pre-school demands either now or over the next few years? Will he consider having further conversations with the local authority concerned to ascertain the precise position? Mr. van Straubenzee The question of estimating demand must be a matter for the authority. As at January, 1971, there were 200 pupils in nursery schools and classes in Harrow and a further 750 four-year-olds in reception classes in primary schools, which includes rising fives. Together these are about 15 per cent. of the combined three- and four-year-olds in the borough. 10. Mr. Duffy asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what guidance she is giving to existing local education authorities on the size of comprehensive schools in the planning of future school building programmes. Mrs. Thatcher In a recent speech I drew attention to the increasing evidence that the very large schools which were once seen as normal for comprehensive development are no longer so regarded. But a great deal must depend upon local circumstances. Mr. Duffy But is not the right hon. Lady aware that the bogy of the big school has always been raised by the opponents in principle of our comprehensive system? Does she not think that a lot of nonsense is talked by the opponents of the large school and that they ought to realise that the large school is a different school and must be run in a different way in that it provides opportunities which are wholly desirable and perhaps unique—if only the administration and administrators are equal to the challenge it presents? Mrs. Thatcher I disagree with the hon. Gentleman. The new factor is how well some of the smaller comprehensive schools are running and how high is their voluntary rate of staying on into the sixth form. It means that one does not need [column 1534]such a large school to get a viable sixth form. That was the original reason for having the very large school. If the hon. Gentleman looks at the information he will find that some of the smaller schools are running very successfully. But I do not wish to be absolutely rigid. Mr. Evelyn King In considering the best size of school, which I recognise is not an easy subject, I welcome my right hon. Friend's assurance, if it be an assurance, that departmental thinking will no longer be dominated by the alleged necessity for large sixth forms often doing eccentric courses and subjects which are not very necessary. Will my right hon. Friend ensure that middle and lower school boys have their rights as well as the older boys at the top in our schools, since their rights have tended to be neglected? Mrs. Thatcher I think that many children are happier in smaller schools. I will not say that all of them are. The tendency to increasing numbers in sixth forms may have led to our having larger schools than were necessary. But I do not wish to lay down rigid rules. I prefer only general guidelines. It is important to provide for as many of the pupils in schools as possible, including the middle and lower years as well. Mr. Armstrong Does the right hon. Lady agree that the real reason why smaller comprehensive schools are now becoming generally acceptable is that children are more intelligent than ever her Department or most educationists gave them credit for and, therefore, a viable sixth form is on the cards with a much smaller number? Does not this encourage the right hon. Lady to get rid of her obvious prejudice in favour of selective schools? Mrs. Thatcher The hon. Gentleman has made the case perfectly for the smaller comprehensive schools. I am glad he agrees with me about it. 15. Mr. William Price asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science how many plans for the introduction of comprehensive schools have been rejected by her Department since June, 1970; and how many schools were involved. Mrs. Thatcher The practice of approving or rejecting non-statutory schemes for [column 1535]secondary reorganisation was discontinued over a year ago. Mr. Price Has the right hon. Lady's attention been drawn to the fact that certain towns and cities in various parts of the country changed hands last week and that in due course many of them will seek to end selection in their schools? Will the right hon. Lady assure the House, in view of the hallowed Tory belief in the freedom of local government, that when these proposals come forward they will not be obstructed by her or by her Department? Mrs. Thatcher I give the assurance that I gave in the manifesto. The existing rights of local education authorities will be maintained, whatever their political complexion. Captain W. Elliot Will my right hon. Friend ensure that no crack-brained schemes of Socialist authorities will be approved unless they are educationally sound? Mrs. Thatcher We look at each case on its merits under Section 13 of the Act. In accordance with the provisions of that Section all educational factors and the weight of objections have to be taken into account. Mr. Edward Short Will the right hon. Lady say how many proposals to convert selective schools into non-selective schools she has rejected since June, 1970? Mrs. Thatcher I believe that there is a later Question about that on the Order Paper, but my recollection is that the number of schools is about 30. There are more proposals, because one school can be the subject of a number of proposals. I believe that there is a later Question on this issue. 24. Dr. Stuttaford asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what approval she has given to comprehensive schools in Norwich with more than 1,000 pupils. Mrs. Thatcher Three schools, whose establishment was approved in August, 1970, now have more than 1,000 pupils. Dr. Stuttaford Does my right hon. Friend agree that in view of her recent welcome comments about the size of schools Norwich has too many schools that are too large and that this is caus[column 1536]ing anxiety to educationalists in the city, from whatever political party they may come? Mrs. Thatcher The numbers at all these schools will fall in September, 1972, when the age of transfer changes from 11-plus to 12-plus. The overall numbers will therefore fall. I do not think it is possible to have changes in existing schools, even though they may be quite large, where they are working reasonably well. At any rate the initiative rests with the local education authority to put up fresh proposals, and then of course I will always consider them. 11. Mr. William Hamilton asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether she now intends to withdraw her advice to local education authorities against the sending of handicapped children to the private school at Corsbie Hall, Fife. Mrs. Thatcher This school was finally registered by my right hon. Friend G. Campbellthe Secretary of State for Scotland on 24th April. I do not therefore propose to take further action in respect of the children sent to the school by the Oldham education authority. Mr. Hamilton Does that mean that the right hon. Lady is still sticking by her advice to local education authorities in England not to send their children to this school, or is she positively encouraging them to do so? Does she recognise that in some instances the fees are £1,200 a year per child, which is about 50 per cent. more than Eton's fees, and that neither she nor any Minister of the Crown would send their own children to this school? Will the right hon. Lady urge local authorities which still insist on sending their children to it that they inspect the facilities there regularly and get on speedily with making provision in their own areas for these children? Mrs. Thatcher The only children concerned at the moment are four children who are sent by Oldham local education authority. They were the only outstanding cases in which I may have had to take action had the school not been registered. With regard to the hon. Gentleman's other point about the cost, residential education for maladjusted children [column 1537]or children with special education requirements is very expensive, and £1,200 is not an unknown quantum for State schools either. Mr. Hamilton The right hon. Lady should go and look at it. 13. Mr. Adam Butler asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if she will review the criteria governing the provision of car parking spaces for new school building projects. Mr. van Straubenzee Car parking allowances are kept under review. Mr. Butler While thanking my hon. Friend for that reply, may I ask him whether he can give the House a little more information about his thinking on this subject? Can he say whether the allocation for junior teachers will be increased above the present one in three, which is already proving inadequate and will become increasingly so as teachers' salaries increase? Will my hon. Friend also consider the provision of spaces for older schoolchildren who increasingly will be driving to school? Mr. van Straubenzee My hon. Friend's question illustrates the difficulties facing all those concerned with the education service. After all, there are very great demands on capital resources for school building, and there will be a number of different views about whether further priority should be given to the provision of car spaces. But of course I undertake to keep this matter carefully under review. 14. Mr. Barry Jones asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if she will pay a series of official visits to nursery schools. 32. Mr. Jessel asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what plans she has to visit nursery schools. Mrs. Thatcher I have no plans for such a series. Nursery classes are included in visits I make. Nursery schools in Wales are of course the responsibility of my right hon. and learned Friend P. Thomasthe Secretary of State for Wales. Mr. Jones Is the right hon. Lady aware that in 1971 she did not visit a single nursery school as such? Why is she so lukewarm towards establishments which can be of such tremendous help to the children of working-class families in cities and rural areas alike? Mrs. Thatcher I did not visit a single nursery school as such. I visited a number of nursery classes. I fail to see the difference that the hon. Gentleman is straining to make. There is increasing provision for nursery places. It is not as fast as I should wish, but it is increasing. Mr. Jessel Is my right hon. Friend aware that there is a growing consciousness of the benefits that nursery education can confer, and will she bear this in mind in making plans for the future? Mrs. Thatcher I agree that there is a growing consciousness, and I accept the educational case for increased nursery provision. But this is one of many desirable improvements for which one cannot immediately find funds. I am sure that my hon. Friend appreciates that point. Miss Lestor May I push the right hon. Lady a little on this? Surely she was impressed by the strength of feeling that was expressed by the lobby here last Tuesday and by the number of people who signed the petition calling for more nursery education. I speak for large numbers of people who feel that if the right hon. Lady would take upon herself a tour of nursery schools she might have her impressions and enthusiasm for this form of education quickened. There is a growing feeling that we are deluding ourselves when we talk about equality of opportunity in education when we deprive so many of our pre-school children of this facility and discriminate against them by having only a very small amount available. Mrs. Thatcher Yes, but when the hon. Lady was a junior Minister in the Department she was successful in resisting the feeling to which she has just referred—— Miss Lestor That is quite untrue. Mrs. Thatcher —for the identical reasons. The hon. Lady herself firmly believed in more nursery education but she was not able to find the resources with which to increase the provision [column 1539]as fast as she wished and as fast as I should wish. We are in no different position in that respect. Miss Lestor On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. The right hon. Lady will be aware that it was her own Government which put the ban on the further development of nursery education—— Mr. Speaker Order. This is not a point of order. 16. Mr. Cronin asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if she will seek powers to regulate the use of corporal punishment in primary schools. Mrs. Thatcher No, Sir. In my view this, like other questions of discipline in individual schools, is best left within the discretion of local education authorities, the managers of the schools and the teachers. Mr. Cronin In view of the successful results of the Inner London Education Authority's abolition of corporal punishment in primary schools, should not the right hon. Lady at least advise other education authorities to take a similar course of action? Is it not high time that this idiotic and sadistic habit of beating small children in our schools ceased altogether, and should not she give a lead in the matter? Mrs. Thatcher One does not wish this form of punishment to be used very much—indeed, only very rarely—but I think we should leave this matter to the local education authorities and to the teachers. Mr. Biggs-Davison Without being doctrinaire or emotive either way on this question, may I ask my right hon. Friend what research has been done into why this form of discipline is not found necessary in most corresponding foreign schools but is found necessary in this country? Mrs. Thatcher As far as I am aware there has been no research on that subject but, as my hon. Friend, will be aware, there are different rules governing schools in other countries from those which operate here. 17. Mr. Skinner asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what [column 1540]firm proposals she has received for development of comprehensive education in Bolsover. Mr. van Straubenzee None, Sir. Mr. Skinner That does not surprise me. We have a Tory county council, and that has not changed hands. That will take place next year. Does not the hon. Gentleman understand that what makes it even worse is that when children in the Bolsover Urban District Council area of Stanfree pass the 11-plus, it costs £2 a week to send a child to the Staveley Grammar School —£1.20 in bus fares and the rest in school meals? Will he tell the Tory-controlled Derbyshire County Council to do something about it? Mr. van Straubenzee The complexion of the central Government or, indeed, of the county council has nothing to do with this. Funds are not available for the sole purpose of secondary school reorganisation, and were not available under the previous Government. The hon. Gentleman is therefore criticising his own Administration. 20. Mrs. Sally Oppenheim asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science how many mentally handicapped children who are entitled to education under the Education (Handicapped Children) Act, 1970, are not receiving such education in residential institutions for the mentally handicapped. Mrs. Thatcher Most of the children concerned receive education in non-residential schools. Local education authorities have a duty under the Education (Handicapped Children) Act, 1970, to provide suitable education, whether residential or otherwise, for all the mentally handicapped children in their areas, including children in hospital. If my hon. Friend is aware of any special cases I should be glad if she would let me know. Mrs. Oppenheim Is my right hon. Friend as disturbed as I am by the report of the headmistress of Stoke Park School that, out of 157 children at Stoke Park Hospital, 64 who are eligible for education under the 1970 Act are not receiving it, not because they are not capable but because there is no room? Mrs. Thatcher As regards children in hospital the capital building programme is under the control of the hospital authorities, and we are still negotiating with the Department of Health and Social Security about this. We attempt to see that every child in hospital who is mentally handicapped has an education suitable to his or her abilities, and we shall continue that. If my hon. Friend has particular cases, will she please bring them to my attention and I will look into them? Mr. Pavitt Now that the Act has been in operation for two years and the transfer of responsibility from the Department of Health and Social Security to her Department must be fairly well advanced, will the right hon. Lady take the opportunity of issuing information to the House about how this is proceeding and what kind of problems remain to be solved in the locality? Mrs. Thatcher On the whole the Act is working well. We are making steady improvements but, as the hon. Gentleman knows, sooner or later we come up against the old problem of getting sufficient resources for the demands being made upon them, and this is another area on which one would wish to make extra expenditure. 21. Mr. Thomas Cox asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what representation she has received from managers of schools in the Wandsworth, Central constituency as to the effects of the financial cuts she has made in the global sum approved for the Inner London Education Authority programme. Mr. van Straubenzee None, Sir. Mr. Cox Is the hon. Gentleman aware of the widespread criticism being voiced by managing bodies of primary and junior schools in my constituency and that support for them is being voiced by Tory managers who are utterly disgusted at the cuts that have been ordered? In view of that, is it not time either that these policies were changed or that the hon. Gentleman—or his right hon. Friend—had the courage to come to my constituency and defend himself before managers, parents and teachers and hear what they all think of him? Mr. van Straubenzee As on a previous Question, the hon. Gentleman is referring basically to the minor works problem. He will forgive me for reminding him that inner London has a declining primary school population. Mr. Cox That is not the answer. Mr. van Straubenzee It is no good the hon. Gentleman shaking his head. Inner London has a declining primary school population and therefore it is understandable, looked at globally, that it should have a reduced sum for this purpose. But the hon. Gentleman is right in saying that there are some unacceptable primary schools still working, and that is precisely why my right hon. Friend is giving priority to their replacement. Mr. Stallard Is the hon. Gentleman aware that these cuts are causing serious hardship in some London schools? Does he appreciate that there are still 44 secondary schools in the London area operating from more than one site, 37 of them in buildings which date back to the early nineteenth century, buildings which are a disgrace to twentieth century education? Will the hon. Gentleman therefore give urgent consideration to my hon. Friend's request for these cuts to be reconsidered so that at least some of the problems in London may be alleviated? Mr. van Straubenzee In so far as the hon. Gentleman's supplementary question refers to secondary schools, I accept without question that there is a great deal more that any Government want to do, but I adhere firmly to the view that good government is the proper ordering of priorities and that the proper ordering of priorities here is the replacement of old primary schools. 22. Dr. Marshall asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if she will list those provisions of the charter and statutes of the Open University relating to the qualifications required for enrolment. Mr. van Straubenzee Clause 4 of its charter gives the university power to prescribe in the statutes, ordinances or regulations the conditions under which persons shall be admitted to the university or to any particular course of study. Statute [column 1543]No. 16 gives the senate power to regulate the admission of persons to courses of study. Dr. Marshall Is it now Government policy that school leavers should be enrolled as students in the new Open University? Mr. van Straubenzee Such an idea is under discussion. It was first publicly given expression to by the Leader of the Opposition. Mr. Dormand Is the hon. Gentleman satisfied that the provisions are adequate for disabled people taking Open University courses? Mr. van Straubenzee I believe so. The guide for applicants makes special reference to disabled persons; but if the hon. Gentleman has a detailed point in mind he knows that I will be happy to look into it. 23. Mr. Leslie Huckfield asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what are the allocations of money for school building in Warwickshire in the years 1969–70, 1970–71 and 1971–72. Mr. van Straubenzee The allocations are £2.5 million, £3 million and £4.5 million at 1971 prices. Mr. Huckfield Is the hon. Gentleman aware that this is certainly no cause for self-congratulation? Does he know that my constituency comprises the fastest growing part of the county, especially if one compares the figures for my area with those for the rest of the county? When does the Department propose to do something to increase the allocation to ease the primary school pressure in the Attleborough and Stockingford parts of Nuneaton? Mr. van Straubenzee The latest figures, and particularly those for the whole of last year, reflect especially the Chelmsley Wood development—about which the hon. Gentleman will know more than I do—which is now tending to be run down, and that accounts for the particular form of the figures. Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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speech etc mr dalyell ask secretary state education science representation vicechancellor committee subject student accommodation plan discuss great provision undersecretary state education science mr william van straubenzee right hon friend receive discuss vicechancellor committee memorandum quinquennium include view student accommodation hope build programme authorise possible increase number university residential place nearly mr dalyell relation programme university accommodation supposedly substandard mr van straubenzee prefer limit programme announce hon gentleman realise welcome increase percentage student provide residence mr r c mitchell minister aware university town acute shortage accommodation fact student willing share flat force rent level private flat disadvantage local inhabitant mr van straubenzee aware sir special difficulty city hon gentleman represent loan finance system operate university grant committee take country work remarkably mr deakin ask secretary state education science column cost student provide purposebuilt residential accommodation university student student institution advanced education mr van straubenzee basic building cost provide study bedroom ancillary accommodation student public sector cost fee furniture external work take account total figure order student cost university student mr deakin hon gentleman aware welcome answer policy government ensure facility public sector university work equal figure cost student mr van straubenzee like assurance range hon gentleman know sympathy spirit supplementary question building cost limit significantly improve public sector benefit sector concern mr moyle hon gentleman agree conventional commercial organisation provide finance purpose vicechancellor committee recommend public body set deal matter view conversion vicechancellor rate modicum socialism hon gentleman gracefully mr van straubenzee sure prove difficulty commercially fact current year go prepared proper limit reference university grant committee look particular case mrs renée short ask secretary state education science recent change number teacher employ local education authority secretary state education science mrs margaret thatcher end january column teacher employ local education authority england wale february mrs renée short right hon lady information january local authority propose cut number teacher prevent increase rate think deplorable practice advise local education authority policy mrs thatcher far aware local education authority cut number teacher announce increase replace teacher retire mrs renée short mrs thatcher continue information authority refer case substantially quota agree hon lady wish cuttingdown teach staff place regard provision adequate teaching staff important aspect education mr edward short increase total number teacher september minister agree essential local authority quota right hon lady hear case week vigorous action local education authority employ quota mrs thatcher increase right hon gentleman hear year increase teacher right hon gentleman know quota adjust account number teacher expect come teacher training college large number authority quota precisely quota purpose quota train teacher employ local education authority mr mark ask secretary state education science local authority apply column teacher slowlearne child speech subject easter additional post approve mrs thatcher quota authority increase total teacher mr mark grateful reply welcome right hon lady aware danger slowlearne child average child school get fair share staff staff concentrate sixth form majestys inspector report danger mrs thatcher answer specific question note hon gentleman grateful answer think answer good somewhat disappointing hope shall application teacher hon gentleman hear answer previous question know teacher available year compare year increase expect mr spearing ask secretary state education science form expect publish statistic concern future supply teacher mrs thatcher add reply give hon gentleman question march number teacher service present increase year vol c mr spearing right hon lady understand disappointing reply recall long ago march undersecretary state say figure available consider form publish april right hon lady say hope publish soon continue suppression figure incompatible democratic institution practice mrs thatcher figure suppress hon gentleman care look reply calculate future supply teacher column policy factor know wastage factor find slightly teaching profession significant effect figure sir g nabarro right hon friend apply point teacher supply today adequate ensure measurable length time reduce size primary school class mrs thatcher class size particularly primary school significant gauge number teacher available usually pupilteacher ratio few few child primary school teach strict sense word class hon friend reply supply teacher period year make significant improvement teacherpupil ratio school include primary school mr moyle right hon lady agree undertake house begin consultation james report easter confirm begin case answer hon friend question begin consultation lot essential information available think right way carry consultation matter grave implication training teacher future education system mrs thatcher hon gentleman wrong figure future teacher supply basis exist policy decide change policy change decide shall recalculate certain figure answer early question apart innuendo promise start consultation easter consultation take place mr hardy ask secretary state education science education authority serve column onequarter million april seek discuss way department offer special assistance mrs thatcher basis census figure population great london area rest england wale reason think authority need special assistance mr hardy right hon lady agree continue anxiety position small authority follow reorganisation agree confer representative local authority likely bear responsibility area way need meet arrangement necessary mrs thatcher good local education authority find size range size criterion efficiency reason think small authority require special assistance mr edward short agree size equate efficiency quality right hon lady agree minimum size local authority able fall understand metropolitan district government figure right hon lady discuss right hon friend secretary state environment possibility support idea seek power time future combine metropolitan district mrs thatcher agree rigid minimum certainly department royal commission set rigid minimum royal commission avoid power education act joint education authority authority agree mr winterton ask secretary state education science detail basis education element rate support grant allocate local education authority mrs thatcher answer long complex shall write hon friend give information possible mr winterton thank right hon friend reply look forward receive letter interesting detail course aware certain subject school curriculum sadly starve equipment refer subject needlework teach secondary school point parent supply material child unable advantage class surely affect potential marriage stake later life mrs thatcher like accuse associate idea know avoid load trouble needlework subject come category book equipment hon friend aware local education authority receive rate support grant control money spend account take rate support grant negotiation need improve amount available equipment kind mr mark secretary state aware local education authority get grant council satisfied improvement education allowance rate support grant carry council mrs thatcher authority rate support grant go council hon gentleman say reason retain statutory education authority new bill feel great power secure provision future education case mr david clark ask secretary state education science advice give local education authority coordination educational activity prior transference educational service column local government reorganisation statement mrs thatcher local government bill enact official advice give informal advice give department inspectorate request local education authority aware problem take step prepare change mr clark minister realise parent disappoint reply appreciate considerable disquiet parent future child case suffer administrative changeover realise especially relevant certain level feeling area reintroduction mrs thatcher wrong send circular bill house place word legislation properly enact stage house know change place advisable wait official advice process complete meantime unofficial advice require give local education authority aware problem idle take step solution captain w elliot right hon friend ensure new boundary isolate school previous school population obstacle child cross boundary mrs thatcher gladly assurance boundary obstacle present boundary obstacle young person go school boundary local education authority agree mr tilney ask secretary state education science advice training provide majestys inspector teacher teaching western eurocolumn language view need facilitate british trade western europe mr van straubenzee majestys inspector constant touch local education authority school college normal course duty advice foreign language teach year run series short course teacher cover language widely teach school technique instruction involve mr tilney hon friend agree britain join common market substantial demand british company salesman speak european language great effort youth country qualified mr van straubenzee yes sir view certainly join common market great requirement young people draw attention work subject school work carry education college material mr moyle hon gentleman agree matter subject question march agree english likely major work language common market strength precision provision teaching go ahead basis reconcile view president pompidou s desire french major work language community mr van straubenzee think course time english major single language long time certainly foreseeable future good work knowledge language common market essential equipment young people mr dyke ask secretary state education science estimate department size waiting list preschool place london borough harrow mr van straubenzee department collect estimate kind mr dyke hon friend think disappointing socialistcontrolled local authority appear slight idea preschool demand year consider have conversation local authority concern ascertain precise position mr van straubenzee question estimate demand matter authority january pupil nursery school class harrow fouryearold reception class primary school include rise five cent combine fouryearold borough mr duffy ask secretary state education science guidance give exist local education authority size comprehensive school planning future school building program mrs thatcher recent speech draw attention increase evidence large school see normal comprehensive development long regarded great deal depend local circumstance mr duffy right hon lady aware bogy big school raise opponent principle comprehensive system think lot nonsense talk opponent large school ought realise large school different school run different way provide opportunity wholly desirable unique administration administrator equal challenge present mrs thatcher disagree hon gentleman new factor small comprehensive school run high voluntary rate stay sixth form mean need column large school viable sixth form original reason have large school hon gentleman look information find small school run successfully wish absolutely rigid mr evelyn king consider good size school recognise easy subject welcome right hon friend assurance assurance departmental thinking long dominate allege necessity large sixth form eccentric course subject necessary right hon friend ensure middle low school boy right old boy school right tend neglect mrs thatcher think child happy small school tendency increase number sixth form lead have large school necessary wish lay rigid rule prefer general guideline important provide pupil school possible include middle low year mr armstrong right hon lady agree real reason small comprehensive school generally acceptable child intelligent department educationist give credit viable sixth form card small number encourage right hon lady rid obvious prejudice favour selective school mrs thatcher hon gentleman case perfectly small comprehensive school glad agree mr william price ask secretary state education science plan introduction comprehensive school reject department june school involve mrs thatcher practice approve reject nonstatutory scheme column reorganisation discontinue year ago mr price right hon ladys attention draw fact certain town city part country change hand week course seek end selection school right hon lady assure house view hallowed tory belief freedom local government proposal come forward obstruct department mrs thatcher assurance give manifesto exist right local education authority maintain political complexion captain w elliot right hon friend ensure crackbraine scheme socialist authority approve educationally sound mrs thatcher look case merit section act accordance provision section educational factor weight objection take account mr edward short right hon lady proposal convert selective school nonselective school reject june mrs thatcher believe later question order paper recollection number school proposal school subject number proposal believe later question issue dr stuttaford ask secretary state education science approval give comprehensive school norwich pupil mrs thatcher school establishment approve august pupil dr stuttaford right hon friend agree view recent welcome comment size school norwich school large causcolumn anxiety educationalist city political party come mrs thatcher number school fall september age transfer change overall number fall think possible change exist school large work reasonably rate initiative rest local education authority fresh proposal course consider mr william hamilton ask secretary state education science intend withdraw advice local education authority sending handicapped child private school corsbie hall fife mrs thatcher school finally register right hon friend g campbellthe secretary state scotland april propose action respect child send school oldham education authority mr hamilton mean right hon lady stick advice local education authority england send child school positively encourage recognise instance fee year child cent eton fee minister crown send child school right hon lady urge local authority insist send child inspect facility regularly speedily make provision area child mrs thatcher child concern moment child send oldham local education authority outstanding case action school register regard hon gentleman point cost residential education maladjusted child column child special education requirement expensive unknown quantum state school mr hamilton right hon lady look mr adam butler ask secretary state education science review criterion govern provision car parking space new school building project mr van straubenzee car parking allowance keep review mr butler thank hon friend reply ask house little information thinking subject allocation junior teacher increase present prove inadequate increasingly teacher salary increase hon friend consider provision space old schoolchildren increasingly drive school mr van straubenzee hon friend question illustrate difficulty face concern education service great demand capital resource school building number different view priority give provision car space course undertake matter carefully review mr barry jones ask secretary state education science pay series official visit nursery school mr jessel ask secretary state education science plan visit nursery school mrs thatcher plan series nursery class include visit nursery school wale course responsibility right hon learn friend p thomasthe secretary state wale mr jones right hon lady aware visit single nursery school lukewarm establishment tremendous help child workingclass family city rural area alike mrs thatcher visit single nursery school visit number nursery class fail difference hon gentleman strain increase provision nursery place fast wish increase mr jessel right hon friend aware grow consciousness benefit nursery education confer bear mind make plan future mrs thatcher agree grow consciousness accept educational case increase nursery provision desirable improvement immediately find fund sure hon friend appreciate point miss lestor push right hon lady little surely impress strength feeling express lobby tuesday number people sign petition call nursery education speak large number people feel right hon lady tour nursery school impression enthusiasm form education quicken grow feeling delude talk equality opportunity education deprive preschool child facility discriminate have small available mrs thatcher yes hon lady junior minister department successful resist feeling refer miss lestor untrue mrs thatcher identical reason hon lady firmly believe nursery education able find resource increase provision column fast wish fast wish different position respect miss lestor point order mr speaker right hon lady aware government ban development nursery education mr speaker order point order mr cronin ask secretary state education science seek power regulate use corporal punishment primary school mrs thatcher sir view like question discipline individual school well leave discretion local education authority manager school teacher mr cronin view successful result inner london education authoritys abolition corporal punishment primary school right hon lady advise education authority similar course action high time idiotic sadistic habit beat small child school cease altogether lead matter mrs thatcher wish form punishment rarely think leave matter local education authority teacher mr biggsdavison doctrinaire emotive way question ask right hon friend research form discipline find necessary corresponding foreign school find necessary country mrs thatcher far aware research subject hon friend aware different rule govern school country operate mr skinner ask secretary state education science column proposal receive development comprehensive education bolsover mr van straubenzee sir mr skinner surprise tory county council change hand place year hon gentleman understand make bad child bolsover urban district council area stanfree pass cost week send child staveley grammar school bus fare rest school meal tell torycontrolle derbyshire county council mr van straubenzee complexion central government county council fund available sole purpose secondary school reorganisation available previous government hon gentleman criticise administration mrs sally oppenheim ask secretary state education science mentally handicapped child entitle education education handicap child act receive education residential institution mentally handicapped mrs thatcher child concerned receive education nonresidential school local education authority duty education handicap child act provide suitable education residential mentally handicapped child area include child hospital hon friend aware special case glad let know mrs oppenheim right hon friend disturb report headmistress stoke park school child stoke park hospital eligible education act receive capable room mrs thatcher regard child hospital capital building programme control hospital authority negotiate department health social security attempt child hospital mentally handicapped education suitable ability shall continue hon friend particular case bring attention look mr pavitt act operation year transfer responsibility department health social security department fairly advanced right hon lady opportunity issue information house proceed kind problem remain solve locality mrs thatcher act work make steady improvement hon gentleman know soon later come old problem get sufficient resource demand area wish extra expenditure mr thomas cox ask secretary state education science representation receive manager school wandsworth central constituency effect financial cut global sum approve inner london education authority programme mr van straubenzee sir mr cox hon gentleman aware widespread criticism voice manage body primary junior school constituency support voice tory manager utterly disgusted cut order view time policy change hon gentleman right hon friend courage come constituency defend manager parent teacher hear think mr van straubenzee previous question hon gentleman refer basically minor work problem forgive remind inner london decline primary school population mr cox answer mr van straubenzee good hon gentleman shake head inner london decline primary school population understandable look globally reduce sum purpose hon gentleman right say unacceptable primary school work precisely right hon friend give priority replacement mr stallard hon gentleman aware cut cause hardship london school appreciate secondary school london area operate site building date early nineteenth century building disgrace twentieth century education hon gentleman urgent consideration hon friend request cut reconsider problem london alleviate mr van straubenzee far hon gentlemans supplementary question refer secondary school accept question great deal government want adhere firmly view good government proper ordering priority proper ordering priority replacement old primary school dr marshall ask secretary state education science list provision charter statute open university relate qualification require enrolment mr van straubenzee clause charter give university power prescribe statute ordinance regulation condition person shall admit university particular course study statute column give senate power regulate admission person course study dr marshall government policy school leaver enrol student new open university mr van straubenzee idea discussion publicly give expression leader opposition mr dormand hon gentleman satisfy provision adequate disabled people take open university course mr van straubenzee believe guide applicant make special reference disabled person hon gentleman detailed point mind know happy look mr leslie huckfield ask secretary state education science allocation money school building warwickshire year mr van straubenzee allocation million million million price mr huckfield hon gentleman aware certainly cause selfcongratulation know constituency comprise fast grow county especially compare figure area rest county department propose increase allocation ease primary school pressure attleborough stockingford part nuneaton mr van straubenzee late figure particularly year reflect especially chelmsley wood development hon gentleman know tend run account particular form figure copyright margaret thatcher foundation right reserve

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This bill limits the authority of, and places deadlines on, a state or local government over decisions regarding the placement, construction, and modification of telecommunications service facilities. Specifically, the bill requires that the regulation of the placement, construction, or modification of a telecommunications service facility by any state or local government shall not unreasonably discriminate among providers of functionally equivalent services. Further, any decision to deny a placement, construction, or modification request must be in writing and supported by substantial evidence in a written record. Additionally, a state or local government must grant or deny a complete request for authorization to place, construct, or modify a telecommunications service facility within 90 days of receipt of the request or within 150 days of receipt of a request to take any other action relating to such facility. A state or local government is authorized to charge a reasonable, objective, cost-based fee for (1) review of a request, or (2) use of a right-of-way or a facility in a right-of-way that is owned or managed by the state or local government.

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This bill prohibits any alien who is not a lawful permanent resident from receiving a COVID-19 vaccine until the earlier of (1) the date when all U.S. nationals and lawful permanent residents who wish to receive a vaccine have been fully vaccinated, or (2) December 31, 2021.

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Speeches, etc. Mrs. Thatcher I beg to move Amendment No. 197, in page 27, line 27, to [column 473]leave out from “Act” to the end of line 40. The Chairman With this Amendment the Committee can discuss the Amendments No. 198, in page 27, line 41, leave out subsection (2); Amendment No. 199, in page 29, line 1, leave out subsection (5); and Amendment No. 200, in page 30, line 29, leave out subsection (9). Mrs. Thatcher I am sorry that we should come to this rather important Clause so late at night, particularly as Niall MacDermotthe Financial Secretary is looking a bit tired and jaded, but I hope that we shall, nevertheless, give the Clause and the Amendment full consideration. Friendly societies from part of the group of voluntary benefit and thrift societies which, in the past, have served this country extremely well and have provided much relief from poverty when no other relief was available. Their sphere of activity has decreased to some extent as State provision has increased, because the State provided a large number of the benefits which the Societies formerly provided. The insurance activities of the friendly societies have continued, but in spite of the tax exemption they enjoy, they have not increased as much as one would have expected. I find, in reading the various annual reports of the Registrar of Friendly Societies, that their number has decreased considerably and their funds have only just kept pace with falling money values. So, in spite of considerable tax exemptions, their business has not increased greatly and I feel that now is the time that they need an injection of fresh money, if they are to perform their important function in modern society. What has given rise to this Clause is the activities of the new societies which have recently been registered, like the M & G and Tyndall Societies, which, at first, extensively advertised single-premium policies. I turn to the analogy that I shall use to compare with the single-premium policies offered by the friendly societies. The analogy I use is that of National Savings. Every time there is a new issue of National Savings Certificates any person can buy up to £500 worth of the new issue, for himself and for each and every member of his family. The [column 474]attraction of buying the full issue at once is, of course, that tax relief is given as a result of the National Savings Certificate system. If such relief or exemption were not given, I doubt very much whether so many people would invest in National Savings. I wish to make it clear that a man can buy the full issue immediately for himself and each member of his family. He can do that every time there is a new issue. He can, therefore, have a considerable number of what could be called single-premium policies throughout his life, ensuring that at any rate he gets £500 on maturity, with the extra amount on maturity tax free. I contrast that with the relief given in respect of friendly societies. A man can have only one policy of £500 from the aggregate of all societies. I regard this as an absolutely crucial point. He cannot, under any circumstances, go from one society to another and take out a fresh policy ensuring a further £500. In fact, a man gets far less tax-free benefit through a friendly society than he can get from National Savings. I suggest, therefore, that the Chancellor is saying, in effect, “I want savings. I do not mind single-premium policies as long as you get them through National Savings and as long as you do not therefore avail yourself of the benefits of private enterprise and sound investment advice.” When one invests in National Savings one risks a possible fall in the value of money, a greater risk than if one invests through the kind of bond which the new friendly societies were offering. I stress that had it been the law that one could go from society to society taking out £500 in policies here and there, the position would have been somewhat different. The policies and bonds offered by these friendly societies were widely advertised, in The Times, the Observer, the Daily Mirror, the People—indeed, in newspapers of all kinds. I understand that they got a number of applications from their advertisements in each paper and I have some figures from the M & G. The largest premium that a person could pay at the outset was £338 which would mature over 10 years to a minimum of [column 475]£500. However, the average, in response to the advertisements, was about £240. An interesting fact is that there was no significant difference, considering that average premium, between those who replied to the advertisements in the Daily Mirror and the People and those who replied to the advertisements in the Sunday Times and the Observer. Some of the money came in by cheque and some by postal draft, but the average seemed to be about the same, regardless of the place where the scheme was advertised. This seems to indicate that there are many funds available for savings if the appropriate encouragement is given. I should have thought that this could be a logical extension of the work of the friendly societies which could give a new emphasis to the thrift side of their functions and could be a way in which those societies could be modernised. It should not be thought that it is only large sums which these friendly societies were advertising for. The smallest premium or bond that one could subscribe for under the M & G scheme was 50 bonds at a cost of £23 to mature to £50 over a 20-year period. So small sums could be applied for just as much as the large single-premium policies. As James Callaghanthe Chancellor of the Exchequer knows, the scheme had tremendous success. Indeed, I think it was its very success which has led to the Clause. Between 28th January and 3rd May, about 42,000 people had subscribed about £10 million for the M & G. This should have pleased the Chancellor, but I am beginning to believe that there is a great difference between the Government and the Opposition—— Sir G. Nabarro Thank goodness there is, too. Mrs. Thatcher —in their attitude to savings. The Chancellor says that he believes in savings whereas we believe in savings. That is one of the differences. One of the important features of these savings was the large number of children for whom bonds were bought. It provided a method by which many people could readily save over a definite period for their children. [column 476] Undoubtedly, the success of these schemes led to the Clause, and the Clause has led to our Amendment. Let us have a quick look at what the Clause does and what our Amendment would do to mitigate the full effect of the Clause. The Clause does three things. It stops all single-premium policies on the part of all friendly societies. It then stops all modern policies—that is, all tax-exempt policies now allowed under Schedule 7 for the lately registered societies. It discriminates against the recently registered societies and does not permit them to carry on any tax-exempt business of a kind which they had ready. As Niall MacDermotthe Financial Secretary knows, after the single-premium policies they were ready with annual premium policies; but it now looks as though, if the Clause goes through unamended, they will not be able to embark upon annual premium policies of the kind permitted by Schedule 7 and allowed for tax exemption. The third thing the Clause does is to stop the older societies from increasing their tax-exempt business. This is again very indicative of the fact that the Chancellor does not want much competition with National Savings. The only way a person will be able to save tax-free is through National Savings, and that is often not the best bargain which can be obtained. Many people would much prefer to invest where they get the benefit of excellent investment advice and a fairly wide spread of investment, as they would get through this method. I am very much against stopping single-premium policies, but even if the Chancellor agrees to them we are even more against discriminating against newly-registered friendly societies. These societies could give fresh life to the whole friendly society movement. I believe that they would inject fresh life into the older friendly societies. Indeed, it is note-worthy that the Ancient Order of Foresters, perhaps urged on by the new societies, also had schemes ready. Indeed, it had an advertisement in the early editions of an evening paper the day after the Budget. The advertisement was withdrawn by the time the later editions appeared. The newly registered societies could have acted as a great spur to the older societies and also have increased their business. [column 477] In addition to the discrimination aspect of the Clause, which we are firmly against, there is another aspect to which I must refer. Subsection (5) gives wider powers to the Registrar of Friendly Societies than I have seen extended to any person with regard to taxation. It gives him powers to withdraw tax exemption from a friendly society if he thinks that it has begun to carry on tax exempt or life endowment business on a large scale. What the Registrar has to do is to look at some of the older societies, and if they are trying to modernise and get extra savings and increase tax exempt business he has the freedom, although they are allowed to have tax exempt business, to withdraw the tax relief. It is outrageous to give such power under the fiscal system. If it were possible, one would like to express one's views on subsection (5) separately from the rest of the Clause. For these reasons, we are against what the Chancellor is doing. Bearing in mind that only one £500 can ever be taken, it would be as well if that were used as a method of encouraging savings. If the Chancellor has made up his mind not to allow single-premium policies, we would wish that the new friendly societies were able to carry on business under Schedule 7. We dislike the Registrar's having this very wide power. Mr. Pounder I wish to concentrate my remarks on Amendments No. 197 and No. 199. My hon. Friend the Member for Finchley (Mrs. Thatcher) has covered the ground particularly well. There appears to be an extraordinary vendetta against the single-premium policy friendly societies. There are only six of them. It seems odd that what has proved to be a satisfactory form of saving should be undermined by this somewhat dictatorial Clause. Under Section 22(3) of the Finance Act, 1956, self-employed people were enabled to set up their own pension funds. The percentage of earnings which they were permitted to put into them was restricted to a total of 10 per cent. But because of considerable fluctuations from year to year in their earnings, it was not found possible for them to lay down a conventional insurance policy with a regular fixed annual premium. They were, quite fairly, allowed to take [column 478]account of the fluctuations by effecting single-premium policies. The Act expressly empowered friendly societies to engage in this business. Now, just because it has become fairly successful, the Government have decided to clamp down on it. It seems to be arbitrary to fix a date like this. It strikes only at six companies. It will facilitate the creation of a further monopolistic practice. The mere fact that there is a restriction of £500 not on one policy, but on an aggregation of all policies individually entered into—which, by their nature and size, benefit the family man—these might have been expected to strike a sympathetic chord in the mind of the Chancellor. The point which is perhaps in the Chancellor's mind, that this has been the means of avoiding paying substantial revenue to the Exchequer, is not, I think, a valid one, if one looks at the powers he is taking under subsection (5), since the Revenue will not be prejudiced in any way because the matter would be subject to the Chief Registrar's discretionary powers. If the Clause were to take account of those societies which were registered 100 or even 10 years ago it would not, perhaps, be so bad, but it strikes just at those formed eight years ago, and prevents them from competing on equal terms for further business. No one will dispute the right of the Chancellor, if he feels there has been substantial loss of revenue, to take remedial action, but this Clause is picking and choosing between certain societies, and not right across the board. It does seem to be particularly unfair that those new societies should be placed in a particularly disadvantageous position vis à vis the older societies. Subsection (5) contains, the Committee can probably say, and I certainly say, the most vicious phrase in the Bill, because here we are dealing with a situation where the Registrar has absolute powers to interfere if the business is progressing and I quote from the Clause or If he feels it necessary for the protection of the Revenue, then, off his own bat, he can remove the society from the protection it has had. In this Committee we [column 479]take particular exception to the delegation of powers, and specially of those removed from Parliamentary control. By this Clause the Registrar can act retrospectively, if he so desires, without any control by this Committee, against a society and prevent it from carrying out its business, and simply by an expression of opinion that it is necessary for him to do so to pretect the Revenue. We are not dealing with a strictly legal issue, because the courts are naturally reluctant to interfere with any discretionary exercise of functions. Quite honestly, I regard this provision as tantamount to a return to the Star Chamber. Mr. Anthony Grant (Harrow, Central) I make no apology to the Financial Secretary for intervening in the debate, because this is a most important Amendment, more important than it may appear on the surface to be. It is true that the friendly society movement started in a different age and in entirely different circumstances, and it was a rather declining band up to a few years ago until the M & G Tyndall Managers Ltd. schemes arose. The M & G scheme gave to the public for the first time unit trust investment with an assured minimum value on maturing. As my hon. Friend the Member for Finchley (Mrs. Thatcher) has said, in three months 42,000 people subscribed £10 million to this scheme, and on my arithmetic this works out at £230 to £240 per person. It was such persons whom the Chancellor, in his Budget speech, said were well-to-do investors. Whenever, in the mind of the Chancellor, well-to-do investors—with an average of £230 per person—emerge, then the red lights in the Treasury go on, the anti-avoidance team gets into action, and all the old restrictions and stops come out. The way in which the right hon. Gentleman has sought to stop this beneficial business is extraordinary. First, he puts a restriction singling out friendly societies doing single-premium business. I cannot see what is wrong with single-premium business. It is a means of saving, a means of long-term saving. People are much less likely to realise their savings, if they are well invested long term, and spend them on consumer durables. [column 480] Secondly, the Clause singles out for restriction the new, modern and efficient societies looking to the future and trying to bring this old and rather decaying movement up to date, the new as opposed to the old. In other words, it creates a monopoly of the inefficient. It is rather like allowing a bus company to have a licence to run its buses provided that they are horse drawn. The third thing which the Clause does is the most sinister of all. It gives extraordinarily arbitrary powers to the Registrar of Friendly Societies. Although the old friendly societies can indulge in this wicked single-premium business, the Registrar is given power to withdraw the exemption if it appears to him to be expedient to do so for the protection of the Revenue. Why does the Revenue need protecting? Why should it be the business of the Registrar, who owes no duty to Parliament, to protect the Revenue in this way? If it is the Government's intention to discourage savings, that is a matter of policy and should be dealt with in the Budget. Finally, the Clause gives an exemption to the new friendly societies when they are engaged solely in industrial life business. Why should this exemption be included? Why should it be that if a society engages in what is the most uneconomic form of insurance business, namely, industrial life business, where the expense ratio is about 35 per cent. compared with 10 per cent. of other business, exemption is then given? Is it because industrial life business is obtained by the man calling at the houses of people who would probably be Labour Party voters and who might make some rude remarks about the Chancellor if there were not this exemption? I hope that the Financial Secretary will deal with all of those issues. Why should single-premium business be wrong? Why should the Registrar have these powers? Why does the Chancellor discriminate against new friendly societies as opposed to the old? Why should industrial life business be all right, when other business is not? The proposal in the Clause is wrong on almost every count. It is wrong because it is blatant discrimination. It is wrong because it gives unnecessary and undesirable powers to the Registrar and [column 481]it is wrong because it is a direct disincentive to savings. I hope that my hon. Friends will divide the Committee against it. Sir G. Nabarro I declare my interest at once, of course. To avoid taxation in a perfectly legitimate way, I purchased the maximum holding of £500 for myself and a further holding of £500 for my wife in M & G Family Bonds for £338 for the 10-year bond for myself and £338 for the 10-year bond for my wife, a total of £676, maturing 10 years' hence with capital appreciation free of Income Tax, free of Surtax and Capital Gains Tax. [An Hon. Member: “Brave of the hon. Gentleman.” ] Not brave at all. I have the fullest confidence in private enterprise investment and I believe in supporting all forms of tax-free investment available to me. Thus, I buy the maximum for myself and my wife of National Savings Certificates of every issue. I readily confess all this, because I believe in thrift and in minimising my own liability to taxation. I would be a fool to do otherwise. Only masochistic characters like the Chancellor indulge in the payment of maximum sums of taxation on their own account, so he told us yesterday. I doubt whether he was very accurate in what he said. This Amendment, and I have sat here until ten minutes past one in the morning, waiting for it, relates directly to the Amendment that I moved yesterday on Income Tax. I said then that if we could not have tax revenues we must have personal saving instead. All of my hon. Friends who have spoken have supported this thesis. Every Chancellor that I can remember, since Sir John Anderson during the war years, has supported precisely the same thesis. By what quick does the Chancellor believe that there should be a monopoly of tax-free appreciation for investment of small savings in the form of National Savings? Why should there not be a private enterprise competitor? That is what the M & G Family Bonds are. I readily admit to the Chancellor that M & G Family Bonds and Tyndall, and others, have used friendly society legislation, going back to 1896, for the purposes of finding a method of [column 482]offering people a tax-free appreciation derived from successful investment in equities. That is all very desirable. Such methods are securing additional personal savings which the Chancellor of the Exchequer might not get were it not for private enterprise competition with the National Savings Certificate. Money has depreciated a good deal since 1555, over 400 years ago, when the first friendly society was formed in Scotland to collect very small sums of money on what we would call today a door-to-door basis, based on the very good Scottish habit, lost in antiquity, of encouraging thrift. In all parts of the country there are these friendly societies which have grown up over several hundreds of years. My hon. Friend the Member for Finchley (Mrs. Thatcher) mentioned one, the Foresters. The Royal Antediluvian Order of Buffaloes might also be mentioned as another: as might the Loyal Order of Rechabites, which is organised in local “tents” . They are all very desirable institutions, which have fostered savings over the years, and I say to the committee that the M & G Family Bond is the contemporary equivalent of the aggregation of very small sums invested over the years in the Loyal Order of Rechabites, through its “tents.” The Chancellor should not grin at me. [Interruption.] One of my hon. Friends says that it is difficult not to do so. Yesterday, the Chancellor giggled at me; today, he is grinning at me. While he may not travel the same road with me in the matter of reducing Income Tax, he must pay a tribute to my enthusiasm for personal savings. Mr. Archie Manuel (Central Ayrshire) What about clean air? Sir G. Nabarro Clean air, yes, and many more magnificent causes that I have espoused during many years in public and political affairs. I have a passionate devotion to thrift and savings in all forms, and I find Clause 27 odious because it will suffocate a form of personal savings which the Chancellor of the Exchequer would not otherwise obtain. He will not get this money into National Savings. He will not get the Nabarros of this world [column 483]buying his Defence Bonds. The rates of interest are not good enough. I am the Chairman—and I declare my interest at once—of the advisory panel of a unit trust. All unit trusts today, properly conducted, offer much more interesting terms for small savings than do Government-sponsored schemes other than National Savings Certificates. Even National Savings Certificates, with the present rate of inflation, are showing a net loss to the investor. Twenty shillings in a National Savings Certificate today, in the 12th issue, appreciated to 25s. after a period of five years. That is approximately, on a crude calculation, 5 per cent. per annum appreciation, tax-free. Let us look at the form of saving which the Chancellor seeks to suffocate by Clause 27, the M & G Family Bond. What does that do? It gives an estimated growth rate of 6½ per cent. per annum entirely free of any kind of tax, which is substantially better than the Chancellor can offer. That is why he is so jealous of it. That is why he wants to suffocate it. He does not believe in private enterprise competition with his National Savings Certificates. I take a very stern view of the Clause. I passionately support the Amendment, and when we come to the Question, “That the Clause stand part of the Bill” , I want my right hon. Friend the Member for Enfield, West (Mr. Iain Macleod), the shadow Chancellor, to rise in his wrath. Sir D. Glover At this time of night? Sir G. Nabarro Yes, even at this time of night. My right hon. Friend the Member for Enfield is a Highlander, and is capable of wrath. It is not simulated wrath, either. There is nothing synthetic about his wrath or about mine. I condemn the Chancellor root and branch for suffocation of private enterprise saving. [Laughter.] The hon. Member for Rother Valley (Mr. David Griffiths) may guffaw loudly, but he does not know the meaning of thrift and savings. Mr. David Griffiths (Rother Valley) And the hon. Gentleman does, does he? Sir G. Nabarro I do. I have been saving all my life, since I first earned [column 484]4s. a week as a boy, saving a per centum of my income. Even today, I save a per centum of my income. That is why I pay 18s. 3d. in the £ Income Tax and Surtax combined—[Laughter.]—on that part of my income, repeat, that part of my income, in excess of, repeat, in excess of, £15,000, repeat £15,000, per annum. The Chancellor cannot say, as he did yesterday, that I am exaggerating the implications. My case yesterday to the Chancellor was that we could reduce the standard rate of Income Tax if only he would take positive and dynamic steps by every possible method of support for public and private contributions to savings, through the wole gamut of National Savings and by magnificent schemes of the kind which Clause 27 will inevitably suffocate. I want a vote on this Amendment. Mr. Iain Macleod There will be one. Sir G. Nabarro I am delighted to have my right hon. Friend's support. He says that we shall have one. I want a vote also on the Question, “That the Clause stand part of the Bill.” But I wish to address a final remark to my right hon. Friend the Member for Enfield, West, who has the same passionate interest in support of personal savings as I have. I want an undertaking from him, when he winds up the debate for this side, on the Clause itself, that immediately a Tory Government is returned to sit on those benches—[An Hon. Member: “Never.” ] Never? I have heard some arrogant cries of that kind before. The Tory Party has stood at the graveside of many political splinters in past centuries and will stand at the graveside of the bunch sitting opposite, or their successors. Mr. Manuel What a conceited little man. Sir G. Nabarro He is neither little nor conceited. He is both factual and prophetic. I want something more than two votes. I want my right hon. Friend to say unequivocally on behalf of my party that, when we resume our rightful place on the Government benches, he will repeal Clause 27 of this Bill, if it is finally enacted, for it may have a disastrous effect upon personal thrift and the accumulation of small savings in our country. Mr. MacDermot It might help the Committee, in view of the criticisms which have been launched already, if I were to seek now to answer at least some of them on behalf of the Government and explain the reasons why we are bringing forward the Clause in this form. The hon. Member for Worcestershire, South (Sir G. Nabarro) began his speech with a frank acknowledgment that the single-premium friendly societies which have mushroomed recently have been making use of a tax exemption which was designed for a rather different type of society. I say at once that I do not suggest that they have done anything improper. I confess to admiration for the ingenuity which they have shown. As has already been said, some of the schemes launched recently, with such publicity, have had tremendous success. But I urge on the Committee that what we have to consider at the moment is whether this is a right use and exploitation of a tax exemption which we ought to allow to continue, producing as it does an imbalance in our whole savings system and our tax treatment of the savings media. This is not a question of a great battle between the Government and National Savings, on the one hand, and savings in the private enterprise sector, on the other. In the debate on the National Savings movement and national savings generally which we had before Christmas, I made perfectly clear on behalf of the Government that we wished to see both sides of national savings thriving and working and collaborating together. We want to see a prosperous savings movement, both in the National Savings movement and in the private sector. My right hon. Friend the Chancellor is very anxious to welcome any constructive proposals which may be brought forward as to how we can increase the volume of savings in this country. Turning now to the question before us, namely, what should be the proper scope of the friendly society exemption. I hope to convince the Committee that this recent development is something which no Government could allow to continue. We are not here discussing the tax exemption, for National Savings, which is something to which Parliament has given repeated approval as a special case for exemption in order to attract savings lent to the Government. [column 486] Turning to friendly societies, as the hon. Lady the Member for Finchley (Mrs. Thatcher) reminded us they have a long and very important history and they have played a very important part in the social history of this country. Their origins were in the local sick and burial clubs rather than directly in the savings movement to which the hon. Member for South Worcestershire referred. Since then they have developed as mutual insurance societies to which poor people subscribed in providence for themselves and for their families particularly for sickness, death, endowment and old-age pensions. It was on the experience of these societies that the original Lloyd George insurance scheme was based and on which was based our National Insurance scheme. Friendly societies have enjoyed tax exemptions for over a century and the origin of the exemption was that the members of the society at that time were below the tax-paying level. Conditions, as has been pointed out, have changed very greatly since those days, but it still remains true in what I may call genuine friendly societies and old-established societies that there still exists a relationship which enables the society to assist its members in cases of hardship and encourages members to look to it for advice, sympathy and practical help when they are in difficulties. Many of them still have distress funds and benevolent funds for cases of need or for the relief of widows or orphans. Part of the benevolent work is industrial insurance business which is the collecting from door-to-door. Premiums so collected in 1964, the last year for which figures are available, averaged 8d. a week and the average weekly contribution in societies other than collecting societies, orders or branches was 1s. 7d. a week. The growth of these has been gradual and largely by personal recruitment and none of them were created overnight by means of advertising in national newspapers. It is clear to the Committee that there is very sharp contrast between the traditional friendly societies and the new commercial type of friendly societies which have mushroomed recently and at which this Clause is aimed. These societies have been created—and they frankly admit it—to get a tax exemption [column 487]on behalf of the ordinary investor who has up to a few hundred pounds that he can put down on a single premium to provide for himself, his wife, or children for up to 10, 15 or 20 years. Because of the tax exemption they are able to offer a gratuity substantially above the insured amount. Sir G. Nabarro I am following this argument and I have a great deal of sympathy with the translation of this practice to the contemporary scene. Really, it is a false argument to say that this is on a single investment basis, as the Financial Secretary has suggested, when anybody can go and buy a single-premium life endowment policy and get all his appreciation tax-free in spite of this Clause. In addition, he can secure 3s. 6d. Income Tax relief. Why does Clause 27 not deal with that if he feels so severe about it? Mr. MacDermot I was coming to the question of life policies. The exemption of which the hon. Member was speaking is another special exemption which is again long established and which has been sanctioned by Parliament over very many years. All I am seeking to do is to point out the contrast which, I suggest, exists between these societies and the type like M & G, which the hon. Member for Worcestershire, South, paying his 18s. 3d. in the £ tax, was suggesting a moment ago as being the modern equivalent of the Antediluvian Order of Buffaloes. He certainly, in friendly society terms, would qualify as an odd-fellows. I remind the Committee of the kind of appeal that has been put forward in the advertisements offering these bonds. I have several of them. The Tyndall Savings Fund states, in large letters in headlines: The matter following goes on to say: It adds, perhaps with wise precaution. [column 488] Ulster Scottish Friendly Society offers Another one, the M & G Family Bonds, offered again the expression is used— The result was a landslide, application forms ran out, money was stated to be coming in at £100,000 a day, and a great deal of this was not the attraction of new money but the switching of savings from other forms. I suggest that it is a little naïve to describe this legislation as an attack upon small savers. I suggest that this had to be stopped and that no one realised it more than the genuine friendly societies. Indeed, it is a fair assumption that the commercial operators themselves realised it from their references in their advertisements to “under present legislation” . I think that they realised that this was something they might get away with for a short time, no doubt relying, with good justice, upon the Government's dislike of retrospective legislation to ensure the benefits for those who were quick enough off the mark. Thus far, the matter is fairly clear and straightforward. The difficulty arose in deciding how to stop this exploitation of the tax exemption without unduly restricting the activities of the genuine societies. We have had close discussions with and considerable help from the Friendly Societies Liaison Committee. I do not want to suggest that it agrees with and likes everything that we have done, because it would, in some ways, have liked us to have been less restrictive than we have been, but I think that it certainly wanted us to legislate, because it realised the dangers to its own movement of what was happening. The first thing to do was to stop the single-premium type of business enjoying the tax exemption, and this has been [column 489]done by Part I of Schedule 7, which provides, broadly, that future life and endowment policies will justify tax exemption only if they are for a 10-year term with the premium spread over the term but at not more than yearly intervals. We did not withdraw the tax exemption from all existing single premiums, because some of the old-established genuine societies had issued small single-premium policies which, we thought, ought to continue. But there were indications that some of the genuine friendly societies were being tempted or compelled by the activities of the commercially-minded societies to climb on the band-wagon. So we excluded all future single premium business in a way that would allow the normal friendly societies' life and endowment business to continue as before. The question underlying the Amendments which we are now discussing is, why is that not enough; why not stop there and just require friendly societies to comply with Part I of Schedule 7? The answer is that the indications are that the commercially-minded would then have turned their attention to exploiting the 10-year term policy, again for the purpose of exploiting solely this tax exemption in a field for which it was never intended and for which it was not granted. We are determined, if we can, to stop up all the holes in the warren. The likely development which we fear is that the unit trust companies would sponsor a host of new societies, offering small scale unit trust-cum-life assurance policies out of a tax exempt fund. We think that the older friendly societies would be tempted to follow their example, and the result before long would be that the whole nature of the friendly society movement would be completely transformed in a way which would be bound to call into question and jeopardise their long established tax exemption. That, also, would be a development which would put the life offices at a disadvantage, and they would be bound to follow suit in order to hold their own. Whatever proposals hon. Members may have—and, I repeat, we welcome proposals that may be made to try and find successful ways of increasing savings—I am sure that, on reflection, they would agree that the kind of [column 490]development which I suggest would result from allowing this to continue is not the kind of way that we would like: they would not wish to see the nature of these institutions artificially distorted by a tax exemption of this kind. Our approach has been to prevent the commercial type of society from doing any kind of life or endowment business. To achieve that, we have had to deny life and endowment business to any new societies, with certain exceptions which we are satisfied are not open to abuse. Subsection (1, a) provides that any society which was registered since 1957 and before Budget day and which did any single premium business in the three months before Budget day will not be allowed exemption on life, endowment or annuity business. That is in order to stop the recently formed commercial societies switching to other forms of business. The reason for that date is that, so far as our information goes, it was in 1958 that the first of these single premium societies, if I may call them that, was formed. We also propose to exclude from the exemption for life, endowment or annuity business any new societies formed after Budget day, with the exception of certain defined classes of business in subsection (2). That prohibition extends also to societies which were registered within three months before Budget day and which have not yet done any business. That provision is necessary, otherwise they will escape completely from the provisions of the Clause. The kind of business which we envisage may continue for new societies is industrial assurance or collecting societies, which is a special type of assurance that is predominantly sickness benefit assurance, but has a minor benefit of a small lump sum payable on death or at a specific age, and thirdly, if one of our Amendments is accepted, a lump sum or annuity payable on death to a widow or an orphan. In addition to those measures, we have had to take steps to provide against new societies being formed and seeking to get round these restrictions by means of an amalgamation with or a takeover of an older society. I am afraid that this has resulted in some rather complicated provisions because we are also anxious to promote and enable to continue the movement towards amalgamations and more frequent [column 491]amalgamations. The hon. Lady referred to the fact that the number of societies had declined, and, in part, that is due to the fact that, encouraged by the Chief Registrar, there have been many amalgamations of older societies, and that we wish to continue. Broadly speaking, our intention is that the tax status of the old societies should not be lost when they amalgamate, and that they should be free to amalgamate, including with new societies. This is one of the reasons why we have had to provide in the subsection which has been much criticised for giving the power to the Chief Registrar. May I seek to reassure the Committee about this. We are anxious throughout not to impose any unreasonable restrictions on the continuation of the friendly society business. It is not possible for us to make a clear-cut distinction by way of legal definition between the class of business which is to be allowed to continue unrestricted and the class of business to which we think the tax exemption should no longer continue. We have had to do this by reference to the date of formation of societies. Although we cannot lay down a clear-cut definition, it is rather an old problem which I think Sir John Simon referred to in a famous speech at Geneva once when he said that it is not easy to define an elephant but that it is easy to recognise one when you see one. I think that there is one person who is qualified to recognise a genuine friendly society when he sees one, and that is the Chief Registrar. He is in an independent and impartial position, in very close touch with the friendly societies, and he will surely be the person best able to judge whether the expansion and development of friendly societies is something which is a normal expansion, a normal development of the kind we certainly do not want to try to impede or prevent, or whether it is in fact a conversion of the old friendly society into a new commercial type which is simply trying to exploit the tax exemption provisions. Sir G. Nabarro But what right of appeal is there against this gentleman's adjudication? Should we not write into the Statute how the discrimination is to be made? Mr. MacDermot If the hon. Gentleman will have patience, I am coming to that point. We have written it into the Statute in sub-section (9). The position is that the Chief Registrar, if he so thinks fit, will serve a notice upon the society of his view that there have been changes in the nature and character of the business which would lead to the withdrawal of the tax exemption. The society will then be able to make representations, and if it wishes it will have the right to be heard by the Registrar. The Registrar at that point—and then only—will make his decision. There is a right of appeal to the High Court, I understand, by lodging a notice of motion in the Chancery Division against the decision of the Chief Registrar. It is not a question of some arbitrary power being put in the hands of this official, with no right of appeal. He will have to exercise his discretion on a proper judicial basis. This is the way in which we feel that we will be able to secure the continued development and expansion of friendly societies, while, at the same time, affording an adequate long-stop protection against any recurrence of the kind of development which the Clause is aimed at restricting. I hope that what I have said is sufficient to show that we have not been animated by any feeling of spite or animosity against the societies which have taken the steps which have led to the inclusion of this Clause, but merely that we cannot, with a due sense of responsibility, allow this particular narrow field of exploitation of a tax exemption to continue for a class of investor for whom it was never designed or intended. The hon. Lady said that this is the time when friendly societies need an injection of fresh life. This is a proposition with which we agree, and is something which we have given them in Part II of the Schedule, which raises very substantially the limits of the business which friendly societies may do, on the understanding that the new business will be subject to tax, and that the limits for the tax exemption business remain as before. Sir D. Glover I do not know about my right hon. and hon. Friends, but I [column 493]am not satisfied with the Financial Secretary's reply. I think that the whole thinking behind his reply explains why, when the party opposite was last in power, in 1951, savings dropped to £100 million a year, and in the years after that went up to more than £1,000 million. According to the party opposite, if something is new it must be wrong. It is significant that hon. Gentlemen opposite want to keep the friendly societies as they existed 100 years ago. Any modernisation must be wrong. Any change in their activities must be wrong, and yet this is the party which was returned to power on the claim that it would modernise Britain. The theme of the hon. and learned Gentleman's speech was a vicious attack on the fact that the friendly societies had changed. They were referred to as “so-called modern” , and “so-called friendly” societies, and yet they are doing something which the Chancellor needs from them in the way of help. Last year was not a record year for savings. The Chancellor must surely be worried about the savings level for last year. Here is a field where ingenuity has produced a vast withdrawal of money from consumption into savings, to the benefit of the Chancellor and the country. The Chancellor asks how I know this. The answer is in the same way that we hope, but do not know, that anybody who buys £500 of the new issue of savings certificates is withdrawing money from consumption. We do not know. He may have sold some of his stock from a friendly society to buy his National Savings Certificates. We do not know what 52 million people do. We can only expect that they will work sensibly, as my hon. Friend the “Chief Druid of the Rechabites” said, for their own personal interest. People do not save, however much exhortation there might be, because the Chancellor thinks that it would be nice for them to save. People do not save, however much exhortation there might be, because it would be a nice thing for the State for them to save. People save because by saving they may get an income from the interest, and they may get some capital appreciation. This is why people have saved ever since any form of money exchange was developed [column 494]by civilised man. In this case, as the figures show, the money is not coming from a lot of bloated millionaires, despite the repeated explanations by my hon. Friend the Member for Worcestershire, South (Sir G. Nabarro) of the rate of personal taxation. He is perhaps one of the exceptions. I am not saying that people like my hon. Friend, being frugal and wise, will not take advantage of it. The Chancellor has a strange picture of our society. The people who invested in these new schemes for a short period were not in the largest income group. They were a good cross-section of people who thought that this was a good way of saving, in which there was some capital gain, some tax-free benefit. That, of course, was why they were saving. With the problems of over-consumption and static production, the Chancellor, one would have thought, would have been delighted with any system which withdrew from circulation the surplus money which he has been trying to withdraw from circulation by increasing taxation by £1,000 million. This is the fundamental difference between the two parties. We say that the Socialist Party believes in high taxation. The Chancellor thinks that the way to put the country's problems right is to take the money off the people in taxation so that it is gone forever and their power to buy consumer goods is, therefore, reduced. We think that a far better way is to encourage those people to save that money so that it drifts through all those channels and rivulets into increased production and wealth for the nation. Therefore, that money is working for the people. In the old expression, it is left to fructify in the pockets of the people. That is the belief of the Conservative Party, which is why, when we were in power there was a continuous rise in power there was a continuous rise in savings, and taxation was reduced by £2,000 million. A great deal of the nation's effort was being backed by increased saving. This is a new way of saving. They are good savings which are to the benefit of the nation. Because it is new, because it is modern, the penny-farthing party opposite is against it. Mr. Nott The Financial Secretary talked about continuing the expansion and development of the traditional societies. One or two facts in the 1964 [column 495]Report of the Registrar of Friendly Societies show that the Financial Secretary's understanding of this expansion and development may be slightly awry. The membership of certain classes of sickness benefit societies declined by over 50 per cent. in the last ten years, of death benefit societies by 25 per cent., of accident societies by 22 per cent. In fact, the membership of nearly every kind of traditional society has declined, with the exception of the endowment assurance societies, which is what the new societies were catering for. It is no wonder that the traditional friendly societies have declined, because the most startling fact in the Registrar's Report for 1964 is that the book value of the quoted investments of these traditional societies was £115 million, whereas, in 1964, it stood at £97 million. These investments were bought sometimes years before, decades before, and now they stand below book value, at £97 million. There can be very few other groups of societies or pension funds of any sort which stand below their book value in such a way. Only 8 per cent. of the investments of the class of friendly societies to which I am referring are invested in equities, whereas local authority pension funds and practically every other fund in the country which looks after small savings have moved in equities. Mr. MacDermot Can the hon. Member make clear which is the class he is referring to, because the figures he has given do not begin to tally with the figures I have for the total funds of all friendly societies? Mr. Nott There are several classes, as the hon. and learned Gentleman is aware. I believe that the class to which I referred is the principal class referred to in the Report, that of the friendly societies without branches—— Mr. MacDermot —and other than collecting societies? Mr. Nott That is right, and there is a note which says that the book value is £115 million against the current market value which stands at £97 million. For every £1 which goes into these traditional friendly societies, 3s. 2d. goes in management expenses, whereas, in the case of M & G the figure was 1s. 2d.; in other words, about half the expenses of the traditional friendly societies. There is no question of continuing the expansion and development of the friendly societies—they have been declining year by year. They are hopelessly badly managed and these new societies were bringing new blood into this movement and would have reformed it. The particular class of so-called investors and depositors to whom the Financial Secretary refers, the people with £300 to invest can still put money tax-free into the old traditional friendly societies. They can still get interest tax-free that way. Therefore, it must clearly be discrimination against the new ones, because the tax position has not been changed one iota. Question put, That the words proposed to be left out, to “below” in line 35, stand part of the Clause:— The Cómmittee divided: Ayes 154, Noes 106. Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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invest kind bond new friendly society offer stress law society society take policy position somewhat different policy bond offer friendly society widely advertise time observer daily mirror people newspaper kind understand get number application advertisement paper figure m g large premium person pay outset mature year minimum column average response advertisement interesting fact significant difference consider average premium reply advertisement daily mirror people reply advertisement sunday time observer money come cheque postal draft average regardless place scheme advertise indicate fund available saving appropriate encouragement give think logical extension work friendly society new emphasis thrift function way society modernise think large sum friendly society advertise small premium bond subscribe m g scheme bond cost mature period small sum apply large singlepremium policy james callaghanthe chancellor exchequer know scheme tremendous success think success lead clause january people subscribe million m g please chancellor begin believe great difference government opposition sir g nabarro thank goodness mrs thatcher attitude saving chancellor say believe saving believe saving difference important feature saving large number child bond buy provide method people readily save definite period child column undoubtedly success scheme lead clause clause lead amendment let quick look clause amendment mitigate effect clause clause thing stop singlepremium policy friendly society stop modern policy taxexempt policy allow schedule lately register society discriminate recently register society permit carry taxexempt business kind ready niall macdermotthe financial secretary know singlepremium policy ready annual premium policy look clause go unamended able embark annual premium policy kind permit schedule allow tax exemption thing clause stop old society increase taxexempt business indicative fact chancellor want competition national saving way person able save taxfree national saving good bargain obtain people prefer invest benefit excellent investment advice fairly wide spread investment method stop singlepremium policy chancellor agree discriminate newlyregistered friendly society society fresh life friendly society movement believe inject fresh life old friendly society noteworthy ancient order forester urge new society scheme ready advertisement early edition evening paper day budget advertisement withdraw time later edition appear newly register society act great spur old society increase business column addition discrimination aspect clause firmly aspect refer subsection give wide power registrar friendly society see extend person regard taxation give power withdraw tax exemption friendly society think begin carry tax exempt life endowment business large scale registrar look old society try modernise extra saving increase tax exempt business freedom allow tax exempt business withdraw tax relief outrageous power fiscal system possible like express one view subsection separately rest clause reason chancellor bearing mind take method encourage saving chancellor mind allow singlepremium policy wish new friendly society able carry business schedule dislike registrar have wide power mr pounder wish concentrate remark amendment hon friend member finchley mrs thatcher cover ground particularly appear extraordinary vendetta singlepremium policy friendly society odd prove satisfactory form saving undermine somewhat dictatorial clause section finance act selfemploye people enable set pension fund percentage earning permit restrict total cent considerable fluctuation year year earning find possible lay conventional insurance policy regular fix annual premium fairly allow column fluctuation effecting singlepremium policy act expressly empower friendly society engage business fairly successful government decide clamp arbitrary fix date like strike company facilitate creation monopolistic practice mere fact restriction policy aggregation policy individually enter nature size benefit family man expect strike sympathetic chord mind chancellor point chancellor mind mean avoid pay substantial revenue exchequer think valid look power take subsection revenue prejudice way matter subject chief registrar discretionary power clause account society register year ago bad strike form year ago prevent compete equal term business dispute right chancellor feel substantial loss revenue remedial action clause pick choose certain society right board particularly unfair new society place particularly disadvantageous position vis à vis old society subsection contain committee probably certainly vicious phrase bill deal situation registrar absolute power interfere business progress quote clause feel necessary protection revenue bat remove society protection committee column particular exception delegation power specially remove parliamentary control clause registrar act retrospectively desire control committee society prevent carry business simply expression opinion necessary pretect revenue deal strictly legal issue court naturally reluctant interfere discretionary exercise function honestly regard provision tantamount return star chamber mr anthony grant harrow central apology financial secretary intervene debate important amendment important appear surface true friendly society movement start different age entirely different circumstance decline band year ago m g tyndall managers ltd scheme arise m g scheme give public time unit trust investment assured minimum value mature hon friend member finchley mrs thatcher say month people subscribe million scheme arithmetic work person person chancellor budget speech say welltodo investor mind chancellor welltodo investor average person emerge red light treasury antiavoidance team get action old restriction stop come way right hon gentleman seek stop beneficial business extraordinary put restriction single friendly society singlepremium business wrong singlepremium business means save means longterm save people likely realise saving invest long term spend consumer durable column secondly clause single restriction new modern efficient society look future try bring old decay movement date new oppose old word create monopoly inefficient like allow bus company licence run bus provide horse draw thing clause sinister give extraordinarily arbitrary power registrar friendly society old friendly society indulge wicked singlepremium business registrar give power withdraw exemption appear expedient protection revenue revenue need protect business registrar owe duty parliament protect revenue way government intention discourage saving matter policy deal budget finally clause give exemption new friendly society engage solely industrial life business exemption include society engage uneconomic form insurance business industrial life business expense ratio cent compare cent business exemption give industrial life business obtain man call house people probably labour party voter rude remark chancellor exemption hope financial secretary deal issue singlepremium business wrong registrar power chancellor discriminate new friendly society oppose old industrial life business right business proposal clause wrong count wrong blatant discrimination wrong give unnecessary undesirable power registrar column wrong direct disincentive saving hope hon friend divide committee sir g nabarro declare interest course avoid taxation perfectly legitimate way purchase maximum holding holding wife m g family bond bond bond wife total mature year capital appreciation free income tax free surtax capital gain tax hon member brave hon gentleman brave full confidence private enterprise investment believe support form taxfree investment available buy maximum wife national saving certificate issue readily confess believe thrift minimise liability taxation fool masochistic character like chancellor indulge payment maximum sum taxation account tell yesterday doubt accurate say amendment sit minute past morning wait relate directly amendment move yesterday income tax say tax revenue personal saving instead hon friend speak support thesis chancellor remember sir john anderson war year support precisely thesis quick chancellor believe monopoly taxfree appreciation investment small saving form national saving private enterprise competitor m g family bond readily admit chancellor m g family bond tyndall friendly society legislation go purpose find method column people taxfree appreciation derive successful investment equity desirable method secure additional personal saving chancellor exchequer private enterprise competition national saving certificate money depreciate good deal year ago friendly society form scotland collect small sum money today doortodoor basis base good scottish habit lose antiquity encourage thrift part country friendly society grow hundred year hon friend member finchley mrs thatcher mention forester royal antediluvian order buffalo mention loyal order rechabite organise local tent desirable institution foster saving year committee m g family bond contemporary equivalent aggregation small sum invest year loyal order rechabite tent chancellor grin interruption hon friend say difficult yesterday chancellor giggle today grin travel road matter reduce income tax pay tribute enthusiasm personal saving mr archie manuel central ayrshire clean air sir g nabarro clean air yes magnificent cause espouse year public political affair passionate devotion thrift saving form find clause odious suffocate form personal saving chancellor exchequer obtain money national saving nabarro world column defence bond rate interest good chairman declare interest advisory panel unit trust unit trust today properly conduct offer interesting term small saving governmentsponsore scheme national saving certificate national saving certificate present rate inflation show net loss investor shilling national saving certificate today issue appreciate period year approximately crude calculation cent annum appreciation taxfree let look form saving chancellor seek suffocate clause m g family bond give estimate growth rate cent annum entirely free kind tax substantially well chancellor offer jealous want suffocate believe private enterprise competition national saving certificate stern view clause passionately support amendment come question clause stand bill want right hon friend member enfield west mr iain macleod shadow chancellor rise wrath sir d glover time night sir g nabarro yes time night right hon friend member enfield highlander capable wrath simulate wrath synthetic wrath condemn chancellor root branch suffocation private enterprise save laughter hon member rother valley mr david griffiths guffaw loudly know meaning thrift saving mr david griffiths rother valley hon gentleman sir g nabarro save life earn column week boy save centum income today save centum income pay income tax surtax combine laughter income repeat income excess repeat excess repeat annum chancellor yesterday exaggerate implication case yesterday chancellor reduce standard rate income tax positive dynamic step possible method support public private contribution saving wole gamut national saving magnificent scheme kind clause inevitably suffocate want vote amendment mr iain macleod sir g nabarro delighted right hon friend support say shall want vote question clause stand bill wish address final remark right hon friend member enfield west passionate interest support personal saving want undertaking wind debate clause immediately tory government return sit bench hon member hear arrogant cry kind tory party stand graveside political splinter past century stand graveside bunch sit opposite successor mr manuel conceited little man sir g nabarro little conceited factual prophetic want vote want right hon friend unequivocally behalf party resume rightful place government bench repeal clause bill finally enact disastrous effect personal thrift accumulation small saving country mr macdermot help committee view criticism launch seek answer behalf government explain reason bring forward clause form hon member worcestershire south sir g nabarro begin speech frank acknowledgment singlepremium friendly society mushroom recently make use tax exemption design different type society suggest improper confess admiration ingenuity show say scheme launch recently publicity tremendous success urge committee consider moment right use exploitation tax exemption ought allow continue produce imbalance saving system tax treatment saving medium question great battle government national saving hand saving private enterprise sector debate national saving movement national saving generally christmas perfectly clear behalf government wish side national saving thrive work collaborate want prosperous saving movement national saving movement private sector right hon friend chancellor anxious welcome constructive proposal bring forward increase volume saving country turn question proper scope friendly society exemption hope convince committee recent development government allow continue discuss tax exemption national saving parliament give repeat approval special case exemption order attract saving lend government column turn friendly society hon lady member finchley mrs thatcher remind long important history play important social history country origin local sick burial club directly saving movement hon member south worcestershire refer develop mutual insurance society poor people subscribe providence family particularly sickness death endowment oldage pension experience society original lloyd george insurance scheme base base national insurance scheme friendly society enjoy tax exemption century origin exemption member society time taxpaying level condition point change greatly day remain true genuine friendly society oldestablishe society exist relationship enable society assist member case hardship encourage member look advice sympathy practical help difficulty distress fund benevolent fund case need relief widow orphan benevolent work industrial insurance business collecting doortodoor premium collect year figure available averaged week average weekly contribution society collect society order branch week growth gradual largely personal recruitment create overnight mean advertising national newspaper clear committee sharp contrast traditional friendly society new commercial type friendly society mushroom recently clause aim society create frankly admit tax exemption column behalf ordinary investor pound single premium provide wife child year tax exemption able offer gratuity substantially insure sir g nabarro follow argument great deal sympathy translation practice contemporary scene false argument single investment basis financial secretary suggest anybody buy singlepremium life endowment policy appreciation taxfree spite clause addition secure income tax relief clause deal feel severe mr macdermot come question life policy exemption hon member speak special exemption long establish sanction parliament year seek point contrast suggest exist society type like m g hon member worcestershire south pay tax suggest moment ago modern equivalent antediluvian order buffalo certainly friendly society term qualify oddfellow remind committee kind appeal forward advertisement offer bond tyndall saving fund state large letter headline matter follow go add wise precaution column ulster scottish friendly society offer m g family bond offer expression result landslide application form run money state come day great deal attraction new money switching saving form suggest little naïve describe legislation attack small saver suggest stop realise genuine friendly society fair assumption commercial operator realise reference advertisement present legislation think realise away short time doubt rely good justice government dislike retrospective legislation ensure benefit quick mark far matter fairly clear straightforward difficulty arise decide stop exploitation tax exemption unduly restrict activity genuine society close discussion considerable help friendly society liaison committee want suggest agree like way like restrictive think certainly want legislate realise danger movement happen thing stop singlepremium type business enjoy tax exemption column schedule provide broadly future life endowment policy justify tax exemption term premium spread term yearly interval withdraw tax exemption exist single premium oldestablished genuine society issue small singlepremium policy think ought continue indication genuine friendly society tempt compel activity commerciallyminded society climb bandwagon exclude future single premium business way allow normal friendly society life endowment business continue question underlie amendment discuss stop require friendly society comply schedule answer indication commerciallyminded turn attention exploit term policy purpose exploit solely tax exemption field intend grant determined stop hole warren likely development fear unit trust company sponsor host new society offer small scale unit trustcumlife assurance policy tax exempt fund think old friendly society tempt follow example result long nature friendly society movement completely transform way bind question jeopardise long establish tax exemption development life office disadvantage bind follow suit order hold proposal hon member repeat welcome proposal try find successful way increase saving sure reflection agree kind column suggest result allow continue kind way like wish nature institution artificially distort tax exemption kind approach prevent commercial type society kind life endowment business achieve deny life endowment business new society certain exception satisfied open abuse subsection provide society register budget day single premium business month budget day allow exemption life endowment annuity business order stop recently form commercial society switch form business reason date far information go single premium society form propose exclude exemption life endowment annuity business new society form budget day exception certain define class business subsection prohibition extend society register month budget day business provision necessary escape completely provision clause kind business envisage continue new society industrial assurance collect society special type assurance predominantly sickness benefit assurance minor benefit small lump sum payable death specific age thirdly amendment accept lump sum annuity payable death widow orphan addition measure step provide new society form seek round restriction mean amalgamation takeover old society afraid result complicated provision anxious promote enable continue movement amalgamation frequent column hon lady refer fact number society decline fact encourage chief registrar amalgamation old society wish continue broadly speak intention tax status old society lose amalgamate free amalgamate include new society reason provide subsection criticise give power chief registrar seek reassure committee anxious impose unreasonable restriction continuation friendly society business possible clearcut distinction way legal definition class business allow continue unrestricted class business think tax exemption long continue reference date formation society lay clearcut definition old problem think sir john simon refer famous speech geneva say easy define elephant easy recognise think person qualified recognise genuine friendly society see chief registrar independent impartial position close touch friendly society surely person well able judge expansion development friendly society normal expansion normal development kind certainly want try impede prevent fact conversion old friendly society new commercial type simply try exploit tax exemption provision sir g nabarro right appeal gentleman adjudication write statute discrimination mr macdermot hon gentleman patience come point write statute subsection position chief registrar think fit serve notice society view change nature character business lead withdrawal tax exemption society able representation wish right hear registrar registrar point decision right appeal high court understand lodge notice motion chancery division decision chief registrar question arbitrary power hand official right appeal exercise discretion proper judicial basis way feel able secure continue development expansion friendly society time afford adequate longstop protection recurrence kind development clause aim restrict hope say sufficient animate feeling spite animosity society take step lead inclusion clause merely sense responsibility allow particular narrow field exploitation tax exemption continue class investor design intend hon lady say time friendly society need injection fresh life proposition agree give ii schedule raise substantially limit business friendly society understanding new business subject tax limit tax exemption business remain sir d glover know right hon hon friend column satisfied financial secretary reply think thinking reply explain party opposite power saving drop million year year go million accord party opposite new wrong significant hon gentleman opposite want friendly society exist year ago modernisation wrong change activity wrong party return power claim modernise britain theme hon learn gentleman speech vicious attack fact friendly society change refer socalled modern socalle friendly society chancellor need way help year record year saving chancellor surely worried saving level year field ingenuity produce vast withdrawal money consumption saving benefit chancellor country chancellor ask know answer way hope know anybody buy new issue saving certificate withdraw money consumption know sell stock friendly society buy national saving certificate know million people expect work sensibly hon friend chief druid rechabite say personal interest 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Ep. 1714 - Corpse Declares Re-election Launch Published: 4/26/2023 (in RSS feed: 59m 24s) Joe Biden officially launches his reelection campaign by promising to finish the job or finish the job. Donald Trump says he might not do any primary debates at all and the fallout from Tucker Carlson's Abrupt Fox News Firing Continues. I'm Ben Shappiro. This is the Ben Shappiro Show. Today's show is sponsored by Express vpn. Thousands of my listeners have already secured their network data. Join [email protected] slash ben. Well, Joe Biden finally on Tuesday decided to launch his not really awaited presidential campaign, his reelect campaign. Everybody knew he was going to do this. We talked about a little bit earlier this week. The expectation was that he was going to do it in a video and that's precisely what he did because he does not have the capacity to give some sort of barn burner speech. He can't get five sentences out of his face before he starts to physically collapse. This is going to be a very rough reelect campaign for Joe Biden and you can tell that by the ad that he actually cut this three minute launch ad he did the same thing four years ago when he, when he again launched on video in this three minute launch ad he appears on camera speaking for about three seconds at a time because anytime the camera is on him for more than a few seconds, it just gets extremely awkward. And here's the thing, Joe Biden is not a very popular man according to a variety of polls, his job approval among independence is worse than dirt. CBS B News has met 32% approval among independence. NPR Marist has met 36% among independents. Fox News has met 35% among independents and Harvard Harris has met 38% among independence. Those are not reelect numbers for the president of the United States. And so he's relying solely and completely on the idea that the Republicans are going to run Donald Trump. That is what his entire campaign is based on and you can tell it from his launch video, which is not about anything that he has done as President of the United States. It's purely about the idea that he stands between you and the Trumpian darkness. We're gonna go through this launch video in detail cause it really does show you who Joe Biden is and what his campaign is all about. Here we go. It opens with January 6th, obviously more images of January 6th and then abortion is healthcare outside the Supreme Court. Freedom. Oh Boyed, oh my goodness. Personal freedom is fundamental To who we are. It's all still pictures of him. There's nothing more important, nothing more sacred. That's been the work of my first term, Personal freedom for Our democracy. It shouldn't be a red orian to protect our rights to make sure that everyone in this country is treated equally and that everyone is given a fair shot at Making. Again, he's He's all audio. There's all audio. There's no video of Him. But you know, around the country After January 6th Are lining up to take on those bedrock Freedoms. Okay, pause it right there. It's all about Trump. It's all about Trump, right? There's a picture of Trump, there's a picture of Trump with DeSantis trying to smear DeSantis by association with Trump. There's a picture of Marjorie Taylor Green. The idea here is that a bunch of MAGA extremists, the same people who he's been going after for the past several years, the people who are putting democracy in danger, those are the people he's there to stop. Remember up till this point, his launch ad has not mentioned a single thing he has actually done as president of the United States. His entire stick here is I was elected to save democracy from Trump. And that's why you need to reelect me is to do the same thing because he can't actually stand on anything he has accomplished. Typically, you run on what you've done in your first term. Well, according to Joe Biden, the only thing he's done in his first term is not be Trump, which is true he has not been Trump. But that's not a very strong pitch. He continues Security that you've paid for your entire life while cutting taxes for the very wealthy, dictating what healthcare decisions women can make. Banning Books, banning books and Telling people who they can love all while making it more difficult for you to Be able to vote again, pause it. This is all the same speech that he gave back in Philadelphia. Remember that terrible speech worth speech I've seen in President give in my lifetime that speech they gave in front of a blood red independence hall where he declared half the country his enemies and suggested that they stood in the way of democracy. This is what he's saying, right? He's standing in the way of all these bigoted, terrible Republicans and if they gain office, then the country will be thrust into a new dark age and then cue the, the rising music here as he strides forward with the least popular politician in America, Kamala Harrises. They have to put it in slow motion cause that that's actually not slow motion. That's how he walks. And then it's Jill and it's Joe. So just clips. I'm hugging people when four Years ago I said we're in a battle for the soul of America and we still are. Again, same Question your facing is whether in the years ahead we have more freedom or less freedom, more rights are fewer. I know what I want the answer to be and I think you do too. This is not a time to be complacent. He's not pledged to do anything. That's why I'm running for reelection Because I know America. I know we're Good at lot of people, people looking up at the camera. We're a country that believes in honesty and respect and treating each other with dignity. Incredibly vague that We're a Nation. There's Barack Obama. That Shout gives you no safe harbor. We believe that everyone is equal, that everyone should be given a fair shot to succeed in this country. It's all warmed over latitude. Not, not one, but like five separate photos of Hanji Brown Jackson, one generation American, a black woman, he can't tell what a woman is. We have to defend democracy. And there's Jill Jill's Stand up for our personal freedom. Stand up for the right to vote in our civil Rights. John Lewis. And this is our moment Up. He ran for like a step and now it's a bunch of fast clips of people doing things and being people. Who are people? Yeah man. Real people. People hitting shots. People, people on trains, people hugging. Wow. Like humans. Who are people? The faces. Somebody speaking Spanish who might be a taco or burrito according to Jill. Go to Joe Biden And there he is with Kamala Harris. I know we can cause this is the United, what is the job he's trying to finish? Finish. This is the big question. Nothing we cannot do if we go Together, Let's finish the job. Okay? What? What job is it that you seek to finish? This would be the question that everyone is left asking. That is a arable slogan. Let's finish the job. Okay? Your entire stick, again, your reelect stick is the same as your prior election stick, which is I will stand in the way of Donald Trump. How is that finishing the job? What is the job that you were elected to finish his entire campaign in 2020? And he made this very clear is he was elected to stop Donald Trump for being president. And he kind of implied that he would step Daniel before a second term because he don got it. The dude is super old. How old is he? He's so old that in his campaign launch ad, he does not appear for more than three seconds at a time. It's all an audio take. He's not capable of speaking continuously into the camera without stopping and falling over. Like Wallace Sean in the Princess Bride after taking io cane powder. Just so instead they cut the, it's a bunch of fast cuts of still photos of humans. Humans who do things and then he is like, I'm here to finish the job. Here's the problem. If he finishes the job, we got a problem. Cause everything he's done so far has been garbage because that in just one moment. First, let's talk about the fact that your big cell phone, wireless carrier, they are overcharging you. They locked you in a bad contract. It's time for you to change. That's why I made the switch to Pure Talk where there are no hidden fees, no contracts, no hassle. Pure Talk has a range of affordable cell phone plans to choose from. You can find the perfect option for your needs like unlimited talk text and plenty of data for just 30 bucks a month. Pure Talk saves the average family over $900 per year. 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Okay, so that is Joe Biden's launch ad and it ain't great, it ain't great. The R N C then immediately came out with a response ad. This ad was actually generated by AI and I gotta say the AI is pretty good at this. Here is the, here is the AI's response ad courtesy of the R NNC against Joe Biden's launch. This is what the weakest president For Joe Biden We're reelected This morning and in Bolton, China invades Taiwan. What if international tensions escalate? Markets are in free fall as 500 regional banks have shipped. What if financial systems crumble were Overrun by a surge of 80,000 Illegals yesterday? What if our border is gone San Francisco this morning Citing what if crime worsens And fentanyl crisis? Who's in charge? You? It feels like the train is coming off the Track. It says Beat Biden. Okay, that's a pretty good pitch cuz Joe Biden. So Joe Biden's entire pitch is don't vote for Donald Trump, vote for me. Let's finish the jab at deity. And that's the pitch. I mean, that's his entire pitch. He does not at any point say what he has done. He has said that he has stopped Republicans from stopping black people from voting or something, which was always patent garbage. Black people were not stopped from voting by Republicans. That's absurd. He, he says that he has stopped democracy from being overthrown by the January 6th protestors, who were essentially a couple of hundred morons who went into the capitol building. The ones who were actually violent and who actually got jailed. They, they, the ones who were actually violent were, were morons who got arrested and then within a couple of hours the election was certified. That doesn't count to people who wandered in thinking that, that it wasn't actually illegal because the cops were actually showing them through the building and it doesn't count to people who were protesting outside. But that was a threat to the republic of such dire nature according to Joe Biden, that you have to elect him not once but twice, because if you don't reelect him to finish the job at apathy, then that means that you want those people to win. Now here's the problem. He's a bad president and everyone knows he's a bad president and he's super old and everyone knows that too. Karina Jean Pierre World's worst press secretary. She was asked, is he going to actually serve eight years? Right? He doesn't look good. In fact, they won't even put him on camera because he's an animate corpse at this point. They shoot him full of something and then he stumbles out his eyes wide and his pupils dilated, and then he proceeds to speak through his face hole for a non-pro prolonged period of time. And then he stumbles, nonsensically off the stage looking for where to go next before they wrap him back into his coffin at night click it closes, they pipe in some, some old Perry Mason episodes and he's a happy camper and he wakes up the next morning, they do it all again. Here's Ka Jean Pierre asking, is this man gonna be able to even survey years? And she's like The president plan to serve all eight years. I'm not, I'm just not gonna get ahead of the president. That's something for him to decide. What? I'm just not gonna get ahead of it. And we're there's a 2024 campaign, anything related to that, I would refer you to That. That's crazy. How does she not have an answer to that question? I mean, the answer to that is yes. What does he plan to like? It's not like he's going to quit being president so he can run for a higher office. Very often politicians, governors say, governor DeSantis, he's running and everybody kinda knows there's a good shot he might run for president. And so when people ask, are you going to serve out your term or are you gonna run for a higher office? You say, well, I'm still thinking about it. What's there to think about? He's the current president. If he wins again, is he gonna step down to become like N F L Commissioner? What exactly is the pressing job that would be on the docket for him? James Clyburn, who's his biggest background in South Carolina, probably put him over to the top in the primaries even. He was like, well he is gotta show some energy because frankly he looks a lot like that. That frog in the electricity experiment looks like they're shooting him some electricity into his leg and, and he's like flopping around a little bit. Here's James Clyburn. First of all, I think the president is gonna have to earth deal with the whole issue of age. He is 80 years old. I might add I'm 82. I do believe that he's up to the task and that is something that we just cannot pretend I is not on people's minds. So I think he has to show the energy that he has been showing over the past several months and he has to continue to pursue an agenda that will, as he says, build this economy from the bottom up and from the middle out so that people can feel a part of this. Okay, so even James Clare, who is two years older than the president, is like, I look better than that guy does, which is true. James Clare looks a lot better than Joe Biden currently does. Meanwhile, morning Joe is still trying to figure out why Kamala Harris is still on the ticket here. They were trying to figure out why this wildly incompetent politician is on the ticket. I have a hint. It rhymes with she's a Mack sch woman. Yes. Yes. That would be the reason. Here we go. I mean, there's been a lot of talk about the vice president and are they gonna replace the vice president? And you, you, you always get this, by the way, you always get this. Vice president's always turned into a secondary fig figure for a good reason. But also a lot of people leading up to, to reelection campaigns to say, are they gonna dump this? But no, she's, she's there, She's their voice on abortion. Yeah, and she certainly is, has been their voice on abortion. She had a successful trip to Africa and, and Jean Robinson. There's absolutely no reason why they should upset the apple cart as as, as it said. Why would you upset the Apple Cartt? I mean, she is wildly unpopular. There are a lot of problems for Joe Biden, but he does have some systemic advantages and those advantages are built around one person and one person in particular. We all know who that is. Look at that momentarily. First. This year marks the 75th anniversary of Israel's independence. Coincidentally, the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews is also celebrating 40 years of ministry. 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Again, people feeling very uncertain about places like First Republic after what happened with Silicon Valley Bank. Plus there's a lot of talk about what's going to happen if is the Fed gonna raise the rates again. And you can see the earnings reports that are about to happen are scaring everybody. According to the Wall Street Journal, the tough day for stocks essentially started after trading closed on Monday after the First Republic Bank reported the banking turmoil, but also the tech heavy NASDAQ composite dropped about 2%. The s and p 500 fell 1.6%. The Dow Jones Industrial slid 1%. All of this because people are expecting some earnings reports to come out this week and those earnings reports are not likely to be particularly good. Joe Biden's economy is sliding and everyone knows this. He's trying to happy talk his way past this, but the man can't even regular talk, let alone happy talk. Here he was yesterday talking about how he's turning things around in a big way, Folks trickle down, economics doesn't work. We have a very different plan for the economy. We, you and I together we're turning things around and we're doing it in a big way. No, and he also said, we are bringing down costs, which no one's laughing Mr. President, We thought maybe people should start paying their fair share Inflation reduction ACT's gonna bring down hundreds of billions more and decades ahead, bring the the cost down. We're doing all this by making the biggest corporations. It just began to pay part of their fair share. Just pay their fair share, pay at least something. When I have to hear the schmuck talk about people paying their fair share and he's talking about the people who actually pay the vast bulk of taxes in the country, it is very, very irritating. Meanwhile, even Joe Manchin who signed onto the Inflation Reduction Act, right? He's one of the guys who signed onto that boondoggle suggesting that it was gonna somehow bring down inflation, mainly because there were a bunch of provisions that were supposed to protect the mining for coal and natural gas in West Virginia. Well now he's realizing that Joe Biden absolutely shafted him and that Joe Biden never had any intention of protecting energy production in Joe Manchin's Home States. Now Joe Manchin's out there like, yeah, I really got screwed. Yeah, you did, sir. Maybe you shouldn't have trusted him. Maybe you shouldn't have done that. Let me make it very clear. If this administration does not honor what it said it would do, and basically continue to liberalize that, where 384 billion is what we're supposed to invest over 10 years and they blow that out of the water and it's it's six or seven or 800. I will do everything I can in my power to prevent that from happening. And if they don't change, then I would vote to repeal my own bill. Well, that makes no sense. Who cares whether you vote to repeal your own bill? You, you jerk. He voted for the thing in the first place. It's a little late now. He's gonna have to wait until after the next presidential election in order to reverse all of that. But even Joe Manchin is saying, yeah, I I thought he was supposed to be a moderate. Yeah, he's, he's not a moderate. Meanwhile, Kareen Jean Pierre, she is pushing forward the agenda of this wildly unsuccessful administration. She says that unlawful immigration is down, things are going amazing on immigration. Did you know that? Did you know that things are just going swimmingly on immigration in this country? So the State Department and the Department of Homeland Security will have more to share soon as you know, the Department of Homeland Security shared their plan back in January. And we have seen from the data, we have seen the, that the unlawful immigration is down. And so what they have put forth, forth in their protocol and their processes is working, but they will have more to Share. They're doing an amazing job according to Ka Jean Pier. How amazing is the job? They're, I mean, they did send Kamala Harris to the boy. I mean, they didn't really, but they pretended they did. What an amazing job. Hell, amazing 6.3 million illegal border crossings under Joe Biden. 6.3 million illegal immigrants have crossed the border under Joe Biden. A lot of those people got sent back, but at least 1.3 million are known illegal immigrant God aways. He's the most unsuccessful president in American history on the border, just as he is the president who brought about 40 year inflation. The good news is that he really has his head screwed on. I I wouldn't say he had his head screwed on straight in this particular context. He has his his head screwed on properly when it comes to the social issues, which is why Ka Jean Shapiro was celebrating the thing that matters most. Lesbian visibility week. I have a question. Is there a weak in the calendar that is not some form of L GT Q I a plus minus divided by a sign happy face sign, sad face, sad face emoji Tilda hashtag carrot Week. Is there, is there like a week in the calendar left for, you know, like heterosexual people? Because I gotta say, I'm wondering here, we were at the White House yesterday with Ka Jean Pierre celebrating Lesbian Visibility week as opposed to the other 51 weeks of the year, which I guess our lesbian invisibility week, which is, you know, I think troubling. Do we have a spate of crime from the invisible lesbians? No one knows. So this week is Lesbian Visibility Week and as the first openly queer person Wow. To hold the position of press secretary for the president of the United States. Yes, yes. I see every day how important visibility and representation representation are. Today I'm honored to welcome the cast of the L word and generation Q yes, two showtime series that chronicle the friendship, the love, the challenges, and the triumphs of strong, funny and resilient queer women. Up here with me are the amazing, talented actresses who play those very roles. Jennifer Bees, Leisha Haley and Katherine Minnich and the show's co-creator, writer and executive producer Eileen Shake. So basically, why don't they actually just turn the White House into the upfront so it'll be great. We can actually have Joe Biden trot out there and, and preview a bunch of shows for the olds. They'll be like, here's what you got going on. CBS b s for those of you who are no longer alive. And, and then you can have Karine Jean Pierre and she'll get up there and be like, for all of you who are people of color who are queer, we have every other show on tv. It'll be amazing. I mean, they've already done like the, the, the ted stupid show, the one with the soccer. Yes, Ted Lasso that stupid show. They already did that one. We've already had like, which other stars have they had at the white? It's like they've, they've had a bevy of them. Matthew McConaughey showed up. Like everyone who's who's who's in Hollywood has shown up to do a junket. So I think they should actually have like swag bags that they give out at the White House, you know, with like a card for Dylan Mulvaney latest sponsored product. And then they can actually just pitch the TV shows. Here she is previewing showtime, the L word sponsored by the White House. This is your White House. You must reelect this president. You must, it is imperative that you reelect this president. He's doing important work. Very, very important work. Get to more of the president's important work in just one second. First, let's talk about living a healthy lifestyle. So gotta tell you, as you know, I have the, the taste buds of a child, which means I hate vegetables. Vegetables are one of nature's great evils, but I still need the nutrition of the vegetables, which is why I use balance of nature, fruits and veggies, they're a great way to make sure that you're getting essential nutritional ingredients every single day. Through balance of nature's advanced cold vacuum process, the vitamins, minerals, and phytonutrients of the fruits and vegetables are preserved. So you get that vital nutrition in each capsule. Balance of nature is a whole food supplement with no additives, fillers, extracts, synthetics, pesticides, or added sugar. The only thing in their capsules is pure fruits and vegetables. Balance of nature has sent a bunch of their product down to the studio for my team to try. We all love the product. It's not just me, you know, in terms of people around here who hate vegetables, but like the product producer, Jake hates broccoli like every normal human being, but he loves balance of nature's fruit and veggie capsules. They make him feel a lot better and they do that for all of us around here. I was excited to find out the product is certified kosher, which means I can actually attest to its quality. Go to balance of nature.com, use promo code Shapiro, get 35% off your first order as a preferred customer. That's balance of nature.com promo code Shapiro, get 35% off your first preferred order. So here's the thing, Joe Biden actually a terrible president, but he has some systemic advantages going into the election. His chief advantage, according to the New York Times, the presence of Donald Trump, quote, the mere presence of Mr. Trump in the Republican primary race is helping the Democrats make the 2024 campaign a choice between the two parties, not a referendum on the incumbent. A far more difficult challenge for the party in power said Jim Messina, who managed the last successful presidential reelection campaign. Barack Obama's in 2012, early polls, both in key states like Wisconsin and nationally, have Biden holding onto a slim lead over Trump. But even with or behind Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida. And then there's the map, the 2022 midterms should have been a disaster for the, for this president. Instead, in Pennsylvania and Michigan, the Democratic party greatly strengthened its head and its electoral infrastructure with victories in the governor's races in both states. The Pennsylvania house flipping to the Democrats and the Michigan legislature following to complete democratic control for the first time in nearly 40 years, these were both states in which the Trump wing of the Republican party had outsized influence at the outset of the 2024 campaign. Two-thirds of the upper Midwestern blue wall that Trump shattered in 2016 and Biden rebuilt in 2020 appear to favor the Democrats. Some battlegrounds like Colorado, Virginia, New Hampshire, these are starting to look more and more reliably democratic. So what does that mean? There are only a few states that now matter, Wisconsin, Georgia, which used to be Republican, Arizona, which used to be Republican Pennsylvania, which used to be, which went for Trump in 2016, but went for Biden in 2020. If Biden locks down Pennsylvania, then he only needs to win one of Wisconsin, Georgia, or Arizona to win. So that is the big question. Joe Biden right now is leading Donald Trump in every one of those states by every available bowl. Okay, so what does that mean for the Republicans? Well, it means you might not wanna nominate the guy the Democrats wanna run against. Again, the entire basis of Joe Biden's campaign is democracy dies in Dam Badoo Dam Badoo is Donald Trump. That is, that is the thing. And meanwhile, Donald Trump, I gotta say this guy, his campaign looks like a campaign of fear. It really does. He looks like he's afraid of something. The reason I say this is because he came out yesterday and he put out on truth social, the following statement quote, I see that everybody is talking about the Republican debates, the republic getting debates, but nobody got my approval or the approval of the Trump campaign before announcing them. And then he continued. When you're leading by seemingly insurmountable numbers, and you have hostile networks with angry Trump and Maga hating anchors asking the questions, why subject yourself to being libeled and abused. Also, the second debate is being held at the Reagan library, the chairman of which is amazingly Fred Ryan, publisher of the Washington Post. No. So this is Donald Trump saying he will not debate anybody. He's just gonna run away from the debates. Now, he did some of this in 2016, you'll recall, I recall that after he didn't like questions from Megan Kelly, he actually ditched one of the debates, but I'm not sure he can play that card this time. I, I don't think a lot of Republican voters are up for an uncontested primary if he just skips the debates. I don't think that's gonna play very much in his, in his favor, especially if people on the stage continue to focus on Trump, even if he is not on the stage. And again, the one of the big questions for Republicans is how much do you wish to run this campaign based solely on President Trump? Trump, by the way, is focusing all of his, all of his desire, like every, every element of his firepower is now focused like the eye of sa Ron on Ron DeSantis. Without a doubt, he's now apparently attempting to lobby the Florida g o p to in Tallahassee to deny a bill that would allow Ron DeSantis to run for president while maintaining his slot as governor. So first of all, that's not gonna work. I'm just gonna put it out there right now. That's not going to work. The Florida g o p is going to actually, in the legislature, change the law so that you can simultaneously serve as governor and run for president. The reason they will do this is because imagine the consequences if they don't. Let's say they, let's say they change that law and they basically say that if you have to run then and and, and then you lose, you can't go back to being governor. Like what is the expected outcome if he then does not run for president to maintain his slot as Florida governor? Does that go amazingly well for those legislators or all members of his party? Probably not. It's a weird strategy. It also looks pretty weak. I mean, if Trump is trying to use every legal means at his disposal to stop this answers from even running, that's a problem for him. And again, every headline about Trump from now until the end of the election cycle will be about Trump. It will not be about Biden. I have a very simple rule when it comes to presidential politics. Whoever in election is a referendum on loses. It's that simple. In 2008, the election was a referendum really on George W. Bush and then became referendum on John McCain in 2012. It should have been a referendum on Barack Obama. But the media pulled a magic trick and suddenly it was a referendum on binder's Romney. In 2016, the election contrary to popular opinion, was not a referendum on Trump, it was a referendum on Hillary in 2020. It was, it was a referendum on Donald Trump. And in 2024, it should be a referendum on Joe Biden. But if Trump runs, it'll be a referendum on Trump, which is why those of us on the right who are looking at, for example, this, this what looks to be a foolish civil trial about a a 20 year old rape allegation, 30 year old rape allegation from Eugene Carroll. Now that sort of stuff is still not gonna play amazing with independence, according to the Washington Examiner, jury selection begins Tuesday in a lawsuit brought against former President Trump by the humor and vice columnist Eugene Carroll, who says Trump raped her sometime in 1995 or 1996. Carroll is now 79 years old, at a minimum, the alleged tactic place about 27 years ago. Apparently she never reported the alleged crime to any authorities. She didn't tell anybody else. Years passed, the statute of limitations came and went. Even when he ran for president 20 years later, she said nothing. She said she didn't speak up for years because her elderly mother, a long time Republican was ill and she didn't wanna set off a distracting controversy, but then she changed her mind in 2017. It's a very, very weak case because this much time passes and it's a he said, she said, gonna be very difficult to actually demonstrate Donald Trump's guilt. But is, are they gonna fill the headlines with this sort of stuff? You bet they'll fill the headlines with this sort of stuff. So is that why Republicans wanna fight? Is that the battle that they wanna fight? Especially when Donald Trump is currently attacking Ron DeSantis consistently from the left? I don't know. Certainly Joe Biden is betting on Republicans doing precisely that. Okay, and just one moment, lemme get to the most horrifying story of the day. First, regardless of your religion, everybody around here needs a little more peace in their life. There's just too much chaos in the world. Too much anger in the world when it's time for you to calm down and connect with the deeper values you need. Something like Hall Hall is an incredible app that offers a unique approach to prayer and meditation. Unlike other meditation apps, hello is tailored specifically for people of faith to deepen their relationship with God. The Hello app is filled with studies, meditations, and reflections rooted Judeo-Christian prayer practices. Obviously we have a lot of Christians who work here at Daily Wire. They've been using Hello they love it as well. You can pray alongside Mark Wahlberg, Jonathan Jonathan Ruey, who portrays Jesus in the chosen, even some world class athletes. You can access the number one Christian podcast, the Bible in the year with Father Mike Schmitz on Hall helps you maintain that daily prayer routine with features like progress tracking and streaks. You can stay motivated and make prayer a regular part of your daily routine. If you're looking to deepen your relationship with God and improve your mental and emotional wellbeing, try Hall for three months free at hall.com/shapiro. That's hello.com/shapiro. Now, speaking of God, if we are made in God's image, it means that there is an ethical and spiritual infrastructure to the universe. We're supposed to behave according to God who made us in his image. Obviously, while we had this discussion on the show, Exodus starring Jordan Peterson, I was privileged to be on that show. Here's a clip, And isn't there an irony here that for all the insistence upon equality, the very foundation for that equality in Western culture, I, the idea that human beings are made in the Imago day in the image of God has been lost. Of course. So it's almost as if, because of the erosion of this foundation, the drive for equality is stressed all the more That's, that's exactly what Nietzsche, that's exactly what Nietzche claimed would happen when he wrote, well, when he particularly in beyond good and evil. He said that was, that was an inevitable, that would be an inevitable consequence. It's a fantastic series. In addition to Douglass and Jordan, I sat alongside a group of big thinkers from different backgrounds to explore one of the most seminal books in the Bible. We're heading into the conclusion of Exodus. It's exclusively for daily Wire plus members. If you haven't seen it, start at the beginning because it's well worth your time. Join now at daily wire.com/subscribe to watch Exodus. Also Crane and Company. Our friends, they're hosting a 2023 N F L draft live stream. Tomorrow, Thursday, April 27th, they'll be taking bets, providing in-depth analysis on draft picks and the upcoming season. They'll also be having some very special surprise guests tune in at 7:45 PM Eastern. You don't wanna miss what they'll do if they hit a hundred thousand subscribers during the stream. Well, meanwhile, this is the worst story of the day. According to the post-millennial a 2016 medical article documenting the tragic death of one of the participants in the linchpin Dutch study upon which the entire child sex experiment, sex change experiment is based indicates the puberty suppression was to blame for the young person's death. The case is that of an 18 year old trans-identified male whose puberty was blocked by the Dutch researchers at a very early stage, meaning there wasn't enough penile tissue for surgeons to use to create a neo vagina. Therefore, a more risky procedure using a section of the patient's bowel was necessary, which resulted in fatal necrotizing fascitis. The manuscript begins by saying the absence of a functional vagina has had a negative effect on the sexual quality of life of transgender women. And explains that multiple surgical procedures have been described for vaginal reconstruction. Reconstruction, meaning actual construction in these patients. The patient was described as being a healthy 18 year old for whom standard vagina plasty surgery was not feasible due to having underdeveloped genitals as a result of early puberty suppression. So instead, they decided to literally grab a piece of this person's colon and tried to form this into a false vagina. And the person died and the person died from this apparently Jazz Jennings star of the reality TV show. I am Jazz face. A similar issue when it came time for genital surgery, Jennings was an extremely gender nonconforming child who had almost certainly have grown up to be a gay man, but was instead transitioned at a very young age. Jennings puberty was blocked from early childhood, meaning vagina plasty was not possible. Jennings required three corrective surgeries, still struggles in the dating world and has never experienced orgasm, which of course is going to be a lifelong problem. Now, we are all supposed to pretend that this is life-saving care according to the media and the current White House. Speaking of which Jazz Jennings has now responded to criticism from people like me. The criticism from me is not of Jazz Jennings as a human being. My criticism is actually of Jazz Jennings and his parents, because this is a person who's indoctrinated from the time that he was a very young person, like a small child, into the idea that he was actually a she, and then facilitated into life altering hormone treatment and surgeries that have not alleviated Jazz Jennings underlying feelings of depression, anxiety, and other issues. Here's Jazz Jennings, however, responding to, to that claim. And I am Ja, this person was born in 2000. This person is a boy and and was transitioned by his parents when he was a very, very young kid. Mark. Oh, it's almost like comedic at this point. I've been watching these videos over and over again and it's just not for these people to define me and tell me who I am. I define myself. I know who I am, and just shut up and let me be, let our community be, let us thrive. You know, why do you have to bring us down? Why do you care so much? It's just so annoying and so stupid. They don't know my life and my personal business. And I'm here saying right now that I have no regrets when it comes to my transition. I am proud to be me. So for people to jump to that conclusion that I regret my transition, it's just not true. And me saying that right here, right now should be Enough. Why are you talking about me when I, I'm on TV making the case that young, very young people should be transitioned. That would be the reason why you're a public figure. You make a claim, which is boys can become girls. I deny that claim because it's not true. You know, as far as your own personal happiness and your own personal mental state, you are the person putting that on television. I played clips from your show on my show and I talked about the clips of you obviously being in a, in a dire emotional state. You put that out. I did not put that out. It was not a secret. It was on national television to point out that the lie that it's all rainbows and unicorns, once you take hormones and surgically mutilate your body to point that out does not make me the villain. The villain was the people who as adults decided that a small child was capable of picking his gender. Those are the villains in this story. But again, we're supposed to pretend that everything is hunky dory. We're supposed to, to ignore the horror stories, we're supposed to pretend that none of this, none of this has any impact on real life. It obviously does have some very significant impact on real life. Meanwhile, in terms of the broader cultural debate, and it turns out that a lot of Americans are not fond of having the message that boys can be girls and girls can be boys crammed down upon them. Bud Light has taken it directly on the chin in market terms. Bud Light has now suffered a 17% sales plunge amid the Mulvaney botch up. According to the New York Post, the latest sales data from Nielsen IQ and Bump Williams consulting shows, bud Light sales fell 17% in dollars while volume dropped to whopping 21% in the week ending April 15th. That's sharply ahead of the 6% drop in sales dollars and 11% drop in volume. The Bud Light had suffered during the week ending April 8th, the seven days that immediately followed the April 1st launch of the controversial Mulvaney campaign on Social Media Insights Express, a beer focused newsletter said these numbers are staggering right now. This is an extremely difficult scenario for Anheuser-Busch, the Bud Light brand and for AB distributors. So the question is gonna be who else is gonna stand up and say enough of this nonsense? The the real big question is gonna be for women here. The reason that that question is gonna be for women is because the vast majority of brands who've actually used Dylan Mulvaney as a brand influencer, are female oriented. Men are now stand. You wanna talk about men who are standing up for women? How about men who say no, you don't get to women face. You don't get to pretend to be a woman and mock women in the process and then earn millions of dollars doing it. That's not something that we as men are going to stand for, but women are gonna have to do the same thing. Men can't do all the heavy lifting here, ladies. You are going to have to stand up. There are many women who do like JK rallied. Many women are gonna have to stand up and say, no, you don't get to pretend to be a woman and make money off of us at the same time. Currently, Dylan Mulvey's list of sponsorships includes Dylan Mulvey's. Full list includes Ulta Beauty, Mac CeraVe, Kate Spade, Instacart, Nike. I mean, this is a, this is a large list, a very, very long list. Maybelline, maybe it's Maybelline and maybe that's a dude like this is it's ladies, it's up to you. I can't decide which makeup you buy, but you can decide which makeup you buy. I don't buy makeup. I'm a dude. In fact, even for the show, I don't buy the makeup. Fabi buys the makeup to make sure that everybody looks good on camera. Okay? But the reality is that people buying makeup should take a look at their pride. And women ha should have most of the stake in this. Why are men the ones who are leading the way, why only when it hits Bud Light is their sponsor? Blowback. Women should be the one who are offended by this nonsense. This is a man pretending to be one of you and saying that men should be able to go into the women's bathroom and compete against women. Women need to stand up at a certain point here. Meanwhile, the Hollywood s continue to do their their worst. So Kevin Bacon is now speaking out against drag bands, which is very exciting stuff. He and Kyra Sedgwick are dancing for the drag queens. Oh no, This Is not good. Oh, no. They're wearing shirts that say drag is an art and drag is a right. It is neither also, that is seven degrees of awkwardness right there from Kevin Bacon. Okay, meanwhile, the left continues to celebrate in the media world, the Alster of Tucker Carlson from Fox News. And the one of the worst things about Tucker's Alster from Fox News is of course the left's reaction, which is triumphalist. We finally did it. We finally achieved victory. Fox News will continue to exist. It'll continue to not agree with you. Tucker will continue to exist. You'll continue to be successful. But it is amazing to watch as government actors call openly for de platforming and censorship. And so long as they're on the left, it is totally fine. Heroes, Alexander Ocasio-Cortez. So fresh, Sophies Irrepressibly stupid. Talking about how Tucker being gone is a good thing. It shows that de platforming is a wonderful thing. Yeah, it is. It must be a wonderful thing to be an elected official who can say anything that she wants on the floor of the house of that, any fear of legal blowback. It must be fun to be her and and never actually have to earn a buck. Never actually have to, you know, pay for dresses when she goes to the Met Gala. Never have to do any of those things. Must be must be just a pleasure, or at least you only pay much, much later. Must must be great while you call for the platforming of other people. You know, as a government employee, Tucker Carlson is out at Fox News couldn't have happened to a better guy. What I will say though is while I am very glad that the person that is arguably responsible for the, some of the largest driving, some of the most amounts of death threats and violent threats, not just to my office, but to plenty of people across the country, I also kind of feel like I'm like waiting for the cut scene at the end of a Marvel movie after all the credits have rolled. And then you see like the villains like hand reemerge out to grip, grip over like the end of a building or something. But de platforming works. So it's always fun to watch as a members of Congress call for de platforming. They literally work for a body about whom there is a federal constitutional provision saying that Congress shall make no law a bridging freedom of speech so that it, remember, it's a threat to democracy. When Trump criticizes the press, when AOC says that people should be de platformed and censorship should be applied to people she doesn't like, that's totally fine. She's incredibly fresh and incredibly face, so fresh and so faced that she makes Marvel movie references because she has the IQ of a com quad and honestly get a better set of references. She wasn't the only celebrity who's celebrating Tucker's Ouster. Of course Seth Meyers was out there joking about it. Now, Seth Meyers, it's amazing to me he's never been canceled considering that he has fewer viewers than a, a normal toenail clipping on a street corner in Los Angeles. But here was Seth Meyers. This is the first time anyone's actually seen this. So I'm, I'm excited to bring you a person named Seth Meyers telling a joke. This will be the first time you've ever heard of him or have seen any of his jokes. Fox News announcing in the last hour, Tucker Carlson is out effective immediately. Tucker Carlson is out at Fox News. Oh my god, does this mean Fox News has gone woke? He's so funny. Guys, dude that, that guy's tight. I went through all the stages of Tucker's face in one sitting. First I was shocked, then I was confused. Then I did the Tucker laugh. He's so funny. That's actually closer than you think. Okay, that's fine. Tucker's. And then I had so many questions. What are we gonna do without Tucker? Who else is gonna tell us when m and m are <unk> anymore? You know, you'll be really funny though, if they replaced him at APM with the new green m and m. That'd be pretty funny. Who wrote these jokes? The only thing that was funny about that is Tucker actually laughing. That's the only thing funny about that entire class, by the way. I just wanna point out that from 2016 to 2022, Seth Myers's show went from 1.5 million viewers to 786,000 viewers. He's on a network, guys, and here he is criticizing. I mean, what do you have to do to get canceled at one of these networks? That's the real question in all of this. Watching these dot celebrate Tucker's as Tucker wherever he goes, we'll certainly have better ratings than Seth Meyers in very, very short order. Look at to more in just a second. First, if you own a business, the past few years have been a really bumpy ride. He could probably use a break. Innovation refunds can help. Innovation refunds knows the value of your time. 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Again, that's get refunds.com. Get refunds.com, contact my friend at Innovation Refunds and see how much you can get back. Get refunds.com once more. Get refunds.com today. Meanwhile, we also have some updates with regard to Don Lemons ousting. So apparently, according to the New York Times, Don Lemon was fired, at least in part because he finally ticked everyone off super a lot. Not just cause he was mistreating everybody, but also cause he's really bad at his job. So he did an interview with our friend Viv Ramaswami, who was running for president. He did this interview in, in which they got into America's racial history and it got very weird and ugly because Don Lemmon basically said the vague isn't allowed to have an opinion cuz he's not black. And meanwhile, Caitlin Collins was sitting there like, you know what, I'm just gonna browse my email. Like I'm just, I'm super bored with this. It was not a good segment. Say what you said again. Black people secured their freedoms after the Civil War as a historical fact. Don just study it only after their second amendment rights were secured. That's not secured. Their freedoms after the Civil War, that it's not you. You are discounting reconstruction, you're discounting a whole host of things that happen after the Civil War when it comes to African-Americans, including the whole reason that the civil rights movement happened. It's because black people did not secure their freedoms after the Civil War. You are sitting here telling an African-American about the rights and what you find insulting about the, the, the way I live the skin I live in every day. Here's where you and I Have point of black and white that black people don't have in this country and that black people do Have. Well, here's where you and I have a different point of view. I think we should be able to express our views regardless of the color of our skin. We should have this debate. I'm not saying you should, without me regarding you as a black man, Insulting that regarding You as a fellow citizen. That's What I, here, whatever ethnicity you are Explaining, It's probably Harlem, What it's like to be Black and whatever ethnicity, I'm, I'll tell you what I am, I'm an Indian American. I'm proud of it. But I think we should have this debate. Black, white, doesn't matter. I think We should have this Content of the Ideas. It you should do it in an honest way. According to the New York Times, the incident left, several CNN leaders exasperated that people said, yeah, no, no. Bleep Sherlock. I mean, yes, he's an exasperating human being, which is why he was outted. My favorite part of the media coverage of this is the view which they did. The wave when they found out the tucker, they literally did the wave on air when they found out the Tucker Carlson had lost his job. They, they had to even, the view was like, we kind of have to admit that dumb lemons says dumb stuff sometimes. I mean, we love him and he's the best, but, but also he says dumb stuff sometimes. Don Yes. Said some things that were sexist and I think ageist. He apologized for them and received formal training and you know, and he spoke to us. I I know him. We all know him here. Sarah stayed at his house. One, he loves time and and he loves her. She needs to hear that over and over again. Well, fine. But you know, he has been on the air for a long time fighting bigotry. Whereas Tucker has been fomenting big. Oh my God, Don Lemons been fighting bigotry in what world, man? Some, some dumb things. I apologize. And Tucker never s but I only know him personally. I don't know what he does when he's with his coworker. Well, I do because I was his coworker. Yeah. Oh, they, they're all defending him at the view. The one who you know actually was, was apparently, you know, mean to women and terrible to women like on the air. And meanwhile in other media News. Nate Silver is actually out at ABC News, who? Nate Silver, of course, is the founder of 5 38 Famous Dana Analyst, and apparently he was Leto 5 38 was retained as a brand, but basically gutted in the process. What's amazing about this is that it wasn't as though this was a particularly expensive proposition for espn, for Disney's, ESPN and ABC News. It was like a couple million bucks a year year, but they must be just looking for nickels and dimes to get their to, to make their way through this particular period. Legacy Media is having itself a, a difficult time over here and for good reason. Okay, time for some things I like and then some things that I hate. So things that I like. Today, I was forwarded one of the great pieces I have ever read. This is truly one of the great pieces I've ever read. It is a by a student named Carolina ak. She's from a place called Kenyon College. And I will admit that I was not really aware of Kenyon College until I actually, you know, read this piece. And apparently is in Gambia, Ohio. It is a private liberal arts college, a four year liberal arts college. Caroline Carolina, AHO is very upset. Here is the title of herpes quote. Kenyon has failed to provide me stable housing as a student of color with an e s A, what is an esa? An emotional support animal. So Kenyan, the college, they, they failed to provide this person stable housing as a student of color with an emotional support animal. Then proceeds a massively long self-centered story about how this person demanded like eight types of housing and was accommodated every step of the way, but they didn't do enough because she is a person of color who has a cat. I kid you not. This is, this is the generation that we have bred here in the United States. Quote, for almost two months, I've been in communication with the Office of Residential Life trying to figure out where I'm supposed to live. Cap's, residence Hall is now the fourth residence I've been assigned to during my first year at Kenyon. After transferring from Binghamton, I switched schools because of the disrespect I received from Binghamton's residential life. Oh, so yeah, so Binghamton didn't actually give her the housing she wanted, so she instead went to Kenyan College. More recently, I chose to be a member of sisterhood because I'm a non-binary, LAX person, Latinx person with an emotional support animal attending a predominantly white institution at sisterhood. I found a community in which FEMA identifying people of color can unite like many my identity is multifaceted, intersectional, and vulnerable while searching for other safe spaces. I realized Unity House was not an option. Sisterhood includes queer people, but there are additional spaces provided by the college for LGBTQ plus students, such as Unity House. But Unity feels exclusive because there are too many white LGBTQ plus people. So not there. So sisterhood made it easier, but sisterhood wasn't good enough. My emotional support animal is one of the few therapeutic methods that have successfully supported my disability. But when I moved into sisterhood housing after spring break, I wasn't allowed to remain with my cat to, to someone in the house being allergic. So the campus immediately created a list of options to resolve the conflict. The first option suggested I make my own arrangements to move my cat elsewhere for the remainder of the semester and keep living at the sisterhood. But this was not acceptable. So then this woman was placed in Meadow Lane Housing despite my emotional support, animal and physical disability. And then apparently that wasn't good enough. So they moved her again and then again. And now she feels marginalized by continuously exercising their power to instantaneously remove students from residential halls. Kenyan landlord signal that marginalized students do not have a right to a guaranteed comfortable space. It feels as though the administration's primary concern is regulating and maintaining the college's reputation. Any opposition to the administration such as my refusal to move is suppressed and belittled, advocating for yourself is perceived as rudely defiant regardless of identity. All students deserve to feel safe and so they, they kept accommodating this person. And it turns out when you ac accommodate the woke, they're not grateful. They just laugh at you and then they continue to complain. We have bred a generation of people who endlessly complain forever and always, no accommodations will be sufficient. Meanwhile, Steven Spielberg has come outta this thing I like and admitted that he shouldn't have done one of the very stupid things that he did. So Steven Spielberg is of course a very left-wing human being makes, has made enormous number of phenomenal movies. Of course, one of those phenomenal movies is et remember near the end of et there is a scene in which the kids are riding their bikes and they have et with them. And right before the bikes take off for the sky ET makes all of them fly. Lending credence to the theory that ET is in fact a Jedi. Right before that happens, there is a shot of the sheriffs and they have guns, right? They're, they're holding shotguns because sometime in the two thousands it was deemed inappropriate for there to be guns in a kid's movie. They CGI I'D out the guns from the scene. Here is Steven Spielberg admitting, yeah, that was stupid. I know at one point you took some guns out of ET and then regretted it. That mistake, that was a mistake. I never should have done that because ET is a product of its era and it it's not, no, no film should be revised based on the lenses we now are either voluntarily or being forced to peer through. But ET was a film that I was sensitive to the fact that the, that the federal agents were approaching a bunch of kids with their firearms exposed and I thought I would change the guns into walkie-talkies. And he admits now this is a stupid idea. Yes, correct. So maybe all of the artists should do this. Maybe they should all stop at this garbage where they're like, what if we just revise all of the old art and then do malice struggle sessions where we pretend that we're real sorry for having a gun in et. So a good first Spielberg for coming around a lot late on this one. Okay, time for some things I hate. So it's a lot of fun to watch everybody who is super provax mandate and pro mask mandate and pro forcing everybody to do what they like forcing, not giving them the option, forcing them to do what they wanted. It is fun to watch all those people now run screaming away from their own policies. Justin Trudeau is leading the way. So yesterday, Justin Trudeau handsome Bernie Sanders of Canada, he, he said he had never, he didn't force people to act in Canada. Did you know that? Remember that time when they literally took away the bank accounts of truckers who were protesting VA mandates? Remember that time he says it never happened. It was all in your imagination. My responsibility was to keep as many Canadians alive as possible and all of the scientists and the medical experts and the researchers, not just in Canada but around the world, understood that vaccination was going to be the way through this. And therefore, while not forcing anyone to get vaccinated, I chose to make sure that all the incentives and all the protections were there to encourage Canadians to get vaccinated. And that's exactly what they did. We got vaccinated to a higher level than just about any other of our peer countries and that's why we had a less deadly pandemic. Oh, it's fun to see how, how we have now retitled government coercion into changing incentives. That's like saying that we didn't cha you know, we're not forcing anyone not to shoplift. We're just saying if you do, you're gonna go to jail. We changed the like that, that's the whole point. If you're trying to get people to vax, you provide government incentives that force them to do so. Here was this dot back in 2022, pushing the VAX mandates. This government has been focused every step of the way on following the best science, following the best public health advice to keep as many people safe as possible. And quite frankly it's worked. We've seen the curves lower in Canada than elsewhere. We've seen lower death rates, we've seen quick economic recovery because cuz Canadians stepped up, cuz Canadians got vaccinated. And I can understand frustrations with mandates, but mandates are the way to avoid further restrictions or having to be restricted as people get vaccinated. As Canadians have gotten vaccinated, we've been able to get through things and this team is gonna stay focused on doing exactly that. That's an irritating dullard. So he's just a liar now. So they're all gonna lie about this sort of stuff, but by the way, you know who else is saying this sort of stuff Now, Anthony Fauci says a full interview in the New York Times in which he's now admitting something clearly went wrong. What went wrong? All of you, you people, it is your fault that things went wrong. So he did a series of interviews with David Wallace, Wells of the New York Times, and he said a lot of stuff. He suggested that the United States was uniquely bad with regard to covid, which again, not a lot of evidence to support that. But he says, how did this ha the divisiveness was palpable just in trying to get a coherent message across a following fundamental public health principles. I understand there will always be differences of opinion among people saying, well what's the cost benefit balance of restriction or of masks when you have fundamental arguments about things like whether to get vaccinated or not, that is extraordinary. Well, maybe the fundamental argument was about whether to force people to VA and whether the vaccine was equally effective for everyone. And whether you were lying about the transmissibility of the virus post vaccination and whether you were lying about whether children actually had sufficient data to ActX. Maybe that was the controversy. And then he continued and he admitted something kind of strange. So after putting enormous focus on the, the masks right, he acknowledged, so da David Wallace well said, I'm not someone who doesn't think masks work. I think the science and data show they do work, but they aren't perfect at the population level. The effect can be somewhat small, and it was probably our best study from Bangladesh in places where mask use tripled positive tests were reduced by less than 10%. Fauci said, it's a good point in general, but I disagree with your premise a bit. From a broad public health standpoint, at the population level, masks work at the margin maybe 10%. But for an individual who religiously wears a mask, a well-fitted K 95 or N 95 is not at the margin. It really does work. Wait, so you pushed mask mandates across the country, Dr. Fauci, and you admit that on a population level they didn't work. And your excuse is, well, if you wore a really tightly fitted can 95 or N 95, it did, that's not the argument you were making. You weren't making the argument, everyone should be sent a can 95 or N 95 by the government, and then you could choose whether or not to, to wear the mask. You were saying everyone should be forced to do this sort of stuff. It is, it is incredible, really. The, the, the article with Fauci is just a perfect example of a person who is now covering his ass and pretending he did nothing wrong, when again, the mistakes were myriad across the course of the pandemic. Alrighty, guys, the rest of the show continues right now. You're not gonna wanna miss what we're getting into the mailbag plus a kind of amazing story about a woman who is sadly body shamed for, and I quote, letting my boobs hang out at the gym. Yes, it's it's a strange puzzling story. If you're not a member, become member. Use Coach Shapiro, checkout for two months free on all annual plans. Click the link in the description and join us.

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Speeches, etc. The excellent response to invitations given by Finchley (South) Young Conservatives, to a wine and cheese evening last week, helped towards a really enjoyable two hours get-together for Young Conservatives, their friends, and parents.’ The principal guest of the evening, Mrs. Margaret Thatcher, M.P., soon began circulating amongst the visitors, chatting informally with the majority of them, before speaking to the whole gathering in a more formal manner. Mrs. Thatcher mentioned that the evening was the eve of a new session of Parliament, and in just over twenty minutes she summarised some of the principal matters that would be dealt with by the government in the next few months. Mentioning in particular the pay pause and the Common Market, she said of the former that the results were at last showing and it was now evident that the pause was having the required effect. She was quite convinced that this country's entry into the Common Market would be a great success—already our exports to Europe were increasing rapidly and we were competing on the Continent at this moment very successfully, in spite of the fact that our exports were heavily taxed abroad. The meeting closed with a Y.C. member, Brian Wilcocks, giving a very polished display of musical entertainment on his accordion. Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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Ep. 1634 - The January 6 Committee Wants Trump Prosecuted Published: 12/20/2022 (in RSS feed: 46m 2s) January 6th committee refers Donald Trump to the Department of Justice for criminal charging. The White House struggles for immigration answers as Title 42 wanes and Democrats Prep More spending as tax revenue declines. I'm Ben Shappiro. This is the Bench Bureau Show. This show sponsor by express VPN n. It's time to stand up against big tech protector [email protected] slash benwell. It was a predictable ending. The January 6th committee was formulated and created specifically in order to recommend a criminal charges for President Donald Trump. And now they've done so. So anybody who's pretending as though any other conclusion was possible as added their mind the entire basis for the January 6th committee is that Donald Trump had done something criminal and they were going to justify sending a recommendation over to the Department of Justice for charging. Now as we'll discuss momentarily, their recommendations mean absolutely nothing. And this is essentially the same as if you sent an inter-agency memo to another department in your, in your actual company. It would, it would make no difference whatsoever. It has all of the legal force of a, of a Christmas car greeting. That's, that's pretty much all this is for, but it is a PR move. It was something that was going to happen and it allows Democrats and the complicit Republicans to raise up the issue of January 6th, yet again going into the 2024 election. That is the entire purpose of the January 6th committee. So with much ballet who and with much attention, the January 6th committee decided to recommend several criminal charges for former President Donald Trump, as well as other members of Trump's immediate circle. The January 6th committee announced that yesterday. Here's what it sounded like. The judge concluded that both former President Donald Trump and John Eastman likely violated two federal criminal statutes. This is the starting point for our analysis today. The first criminal statute we invoke for referral, therefore is Title 18, section 1512 C. We believe that the evidence described by my colleagues today and assembled throughout our hearings warrants a criminal referral of former President Donald J. Trump, John Eastman, and others for violations of this statute. Now we're gonna get into the specifics of the statutes that they're citing. We'll see why the statutory citations they make are actually insufficient in terms of a prosecution based on the available evidence right now. But again, the entire purpose of the January 6th committee, this is why Republicans are so angry at people like Adam Kinzinger or Liz Cheney who became sort of the front for the committee. The whole reason that Republicans are angry at the committee is because they felt like this was a setup from the very start. Nobody's opinion has actually changed on what happened on January 6th. There's a very small codery of people, or pro January 6th, I mean a very small codery of people. And then there's a huge swath of Americans who don't like what happened on January 6th and they think what happened on January 6th involves criminal activity by the people who actually committed criminal activity. And there are a lot of people like me who believe that Donald Trump's activity between the election and January 6th was egregious and wrong. And also he's not guilty of incitement to violence because we're very specific in how we think of incitement to violence. And when the president of the United States actually says at a rally in front of the Capitol building or near the Capitol building that people should peacefully protest and then people do not peacefully protest, well, you know, you can blame him again for raising the temperature, but what you can't do is suggest that he was telling people to break into the Capitol building to hang Mike Pence because he was not in fact doing that. So the report that has been issued says that it has made these specific findings with regard to the evidence. This is a direct quote from the introduction to this report. It's 154 pages because again, the, the theory when it comes to congressional committees very often is fifth grade essay theory. The longer you write it, the more seriously we're supposed to take it. So here's what they actually say, quote, beginning election night and continuing through January 6th and thereafter, president Donald Trump purposefully disseminated false allegations of fraud related to the 2020 presidential election in order to aid his effort to overturn the election. And for purposes of soliciting contributions, these false claims provoked his supporters to violence on January 6th. That last sentence is unsubstantiated again. When you say that someone provoked somebody else to violence based on claims of say voter fraud, then the question becomes, okay, did did the entire Democratic Party take the blame for the mass riots in 2020 based on their false claims of systemic police racism, targeting black people for no reason? Because that's essentially the claim that they're making. They're saying that if you make a false claim and then people act violently based on the false claim, you are to blame for the violence that is unsubstantiated at best. And again, those sorts of false claims are made routinely. And Senator Raphael Warnock in Georgia is still maintaining that electoral suppression is an issue in Georgia after he won a Senate seat, a two, knowing that he and his supporters had lost dozens of election lawsuits despite his own senior advisors refuting his election fraud claims and urging him to concede his election loss, Donald Trump refused to accept the lawful result of the 2020 election rather than honor his constitutional obligations to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, president Trump instead plotted to overturn the election outcome. Now this gets into the area of free speech. Let's say that Trump didn't believe that he actually lost the election, which by the way, the available evidence suggests that Donald Trump is able to convince himself of nearly anything, including the idea that NFTs are an amazing play in this economy. So the fact that that President Trump had convinced himself that he won the election and then he says, well, let's come up with a way where I can substantiate that I won the election. That's not necessarily illegal. Again, it could be wrong, but it's not necessarily illegal despite knowing such an action would be illegal and that no state had or would submit an altered electoral state Donald Trump corruptly pressured Vice President Mike Pence to refuse to count electoral votes during Congress's joint session on January 6th. Now again, knowing such action would be illegal is the question legally speaking here, because if Donald Trump had a lawyer say Johnny Eastman was advising him that there might be a legal theory that he could pursue, it's not illegal to try to pursue that legal theory. This sort of stuff happens in our courts literally all the time. People pursue novel legal theories in our courts when it comes to our jurisprudence on a regular basis. Does that make it illegal for them to do so? Not necessarily. According to the committee, Donald Trump sought to corrupt the US Department of Justice by attempting to enlist department officials to make purposely false statements and thereby aid his effort to overturn the presidential election. After that effort failed, Donald Trump offered the position of Acting Attorney General to Jeff Clark, knowing Clark intended to disseminate false information aimed at overturning the election. We'll get some more on this in just one moment. First, have you noticed that these big tech companies are masquerading as privacy companies while they're taking all of your data? They have these things called incognito mode, and it's not incognito or Google, apple or Facebook. They'll release a security feature in an attempt to convince you they're not actually collecting or selling your data, all of which is not really true. 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That's the question. Or is he doing it despite knowing that there was no electoral fraud? And just because he, here's the thing about Trump. Just because he was told by Bill Barr that there was no electoral fraud, doesn't mean mean that he believes Bill Barr. This is the problem in trying to nail down Trump on this sort of stuff. The committee says, without any evidentiary basis and contrary to state and federal law, Donald Trump unlawfully pressured state officials and legislators to change the results of the election in their states. Now again, this comes down to his state of mind. I keep going back to intent because when it comes to these crimes, they all have elements we can all agree, or many of us can agree that Donald Trump did things wrong, things that were bad, that does not mean criminal activity. So when it says change the results of the election in their states according to whose perception, according to our perception, who's attempting to change the election outcome in these states, but according to Donald Trump's perception, maybe he was attempting to justify what he saw as the true result of the election in these states. And it continues along these lines. So the Washington Post has several takeaways from the committee report. So the first is what is actually in the four criminal referrals? There are four charges that they've brought forth. The first is 18 US code 1512 C. That is obstruction of, of an official proceeding. So that particular code section is dedicated to the idea that Donald Trump was attempting to obstruct the counting of the votes. The wall punishes whoever corruptly alters, destroys mutilates or conceals a record document or other object or otherwise obstructs influence or impedes by any official proceeding. This is one of the two offenses the committee included in John Eastman's referral. Again, the the idea here is that Donald Trump may be attempting to get people to change their testimony. Now what evidence is gonna come forth showing that he was exerting serious pressure and what kind of pressure is necessary to sustain an obstruction charge, that's the one that's gonna be the most troublesome for Trump. Then you get to the ones that are, that are very difficult to sustain. Like at all the obstruction charge is gonna be the one that if the DOJ goes after Trump is the one most likely to stick. The other three are gonna be very difficult because obstruction, again, is a different crime than the actual underlying crime. The actual underlying crime suggesting that Trump was guilty of insurrection or that Trump was guilty of attempting to foment the overthrow of the republic or any of that kind of stuff. The the, the obstruction charge can be as simple as he gets on the phone with Brad Raffin and says, I'm gonna make your life a living hell unless you do x and X happens to be a thing that is not legal, right? Unless you change your testimony. If he called up one of the witnesses. Now, we still have no evidence that I'm aware of that suggests that Trump directly called a witness and told the witness not to testify. Truthfully, it's very difficult to sustain any of these convictions. Criminal prosecution is not the easiest game in town, which is why the DOJ is taking its time with this sort of thing. And also why a congressional committee staffed by Donald Trump's opponents isn't exactly the most viable source of referral for criminal charges. Charge two is conspiracy to defraud the United States. It's a broadly written statute according to the Wall Street Journal prohibiting agreement to obstruct a lawful function of the government by deceitful or dishonest means. In March, a federal judge said the Trump, his post-election conduct may have violated this law as well as the obstruction statute described above. Now again, obstruct a lawful function of the government by deceitful or dishonest means. That's very broadly written. And what does that boil down to specifically? Is that an intent fraud? It seems like an intent crime. It seems as though Donald Trump would have to intend to obstruct the election, which means that he would have to have known that what he was doing was wrong, which is always a difficult thing for Trump. Then there is charge three conspiracy to make a false statement. This prohibits making false statements to the government. The committee suggested that by submitting a false slate of presidential electors, Trump and his allies may have engaged in a conspiracy to violate the statute. But again, that is suggesting that you can't have an alternative legal theory whereby Donald Trump thought that these elections had been stolen from him rightly or wrongly, and had suggested the possibility of an alternative slate of electors, which has in fact happened in American history before. So that that statute does not seem to apply in this particular case. And finally, the biggie, right? This is the one that they're hanging all of their hats on, is insurrection. This statute makes it a crime to assist or engage in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws. Now the Justice Department has not brought an insurrection charge in any of the criminal prosecutions of the people who actually went into the Capitol building, sh shouting, hang Mike pens. So the idea you're gonna hang this around Trump's neck is just silly. You're not gonna be able to get an insurrection charge against the former presidents of the United States who in fact did leave office legally. So these sorts of charges, I, I think it's very unlikely the DOJ is going to be able to, to uphold any of those except perhaps the obstruction one. And even that will be very dicey. Now the DOJ may do it anyway, the do J may do it for obviously political purposes because it's a win-win for the Biden administration and the Democrats. What the 2022 election showed is that this entire debacle is a win-win for the Democrats. Let's say that they go after Trump, and let's say that they lose, let's say that Trump is actually vindicated, they believe that Trump is the weakest candidate to run against. And they do that based on the fact that he lost in 2020. He lost two sentences in 2021 and he got, and his candidates got their asses kicked in 2022. So if you're the Democrats, what you're thinking is let's elevate this issue. Either we get Trump, in which case we take him off the board and we take the wind outta the sales of his supporters, or we don't get Trump. In which case Trump is elevated against his possible Republican opponents and we think his Republican opponents are stronger. We fear them more than we fear Trump. So to win win for them to go forward with this sort of activity. So what are the big takeaways from the report other than the criminal charges? According to the Washington Post, the committee has repeatedly pointed to Trump not only being negligent on January 6th, but perhaps also approving of the violence on that day. The final report adds some details on that front. Specifically it says that longtime Trump ate. Ho Hicks texted a campaign ad a during the riot that on January 4th and fifth shed said, Trump should preemptively call on those attending the speech on the ellipse to be peaceful. Okay? Now the the, the problem is that Trump rejecting that does not necessarily mean he's in favor of violence. Very often somebody will encourage you, you tweet out that you want people to be peaceful, something like that. And you'll say, well, I don't really wanna tweet that. And the reason I don't wanna tweet that is cause I don't wanna make the suggestion that my supporters are inherently violent. I'm giving the other side what it wants. So there's some pretty good political reasons why you wouldn't tweet out stay peaceful when you come to the protest. Because the implication would be that if I don't say that, I know these people are gonna be violent and then I sort of accept all responsibility for their violence. In fact, by the way, that's exactly what happened with Trump. He did the speech, he said, stay peaceful. They went and they Rio it anyway, and then they blame Trump for it. So it wouldn't have actually worked even if he had tweeted that out. The committee played video Monday of White House advisor Kellyann Conway recounting in conversation with Trump the day after January 6th. Conway says she called the situation terrible and crazy and Trump responded, know these people are upset. They're very upset. Now again, is that wrong? Yes. Is that gross? In my view, yes. Does, does that mean that Donald Trump is guilty for the violence? Not particularly. Again, Kamala Harris, the current vice president of the United States, was bailing out rioters during the riots of 2020. The report also shows new details on hundreds of weapons that were apparently present. There are 242 canisters of pepper spray, 269 knives or blades, 18 brass knuckles, 18 tasers, six pieces of body armor, three gas masks, 30 batons or blunt instruments, 17 miscellaneous items like scissors, needles, or screwdrivers. Those are the people who went through the Magno, the magnetometer. The report adds thousands of others purposefully remained outside the magnetometers or left their pieces or left their packs outside. The report said that there were maybe six cases where people were observed carrying guns, which by the way shows this is not an organized physical insurrection because the weapons of use in insurrections are not screwdrivers. The weapons of use in insurrections typically happen to be firearms. There were very few of those among the thousands of people at the rally, maybe a hundred thousand people at the rally by some estimates. And there were very few of them. I'm not even aware of any that actually got into the Capitol building in terms of guns. The, the report also suggests that there's evidence that Trump was waived off the voting machine conspiracy theory that he was told that the voting machines were really not the problem and he didn't believe it. Now again, this goes to i, I keep going back to Trump's state of mind because when you talk about criminal referrals, crime requires intent. These are not negligence crimes. These are not strict liability crimes. These are intent crimes. Intent requires intent. So that means you have to look into the brain of Donald Trump, which is an interesting place to say the least. And so how do you come up with a full intent crime from Trump's myriad activities over the course of the several months from November 4th to January 6th? The report also talks about Giuliani, Rudy Giuliani and many of the baseless kind of crazy allegations that he was putting out there. There was one colorful incident involving Trump campaign manager Bill Stepian, who said he literally locked his door to keep out Trump allies who wanted to press forward with stolen election claims. But Giuliani still tried the door. Stepian said, I had my assistant lock the door. I told her, don't let anyone in. And you know, sure enough, you know, mayor Giuliani tried to get in my office. He ordered her to unlock the door. She didn't do that. She's smart about that. So a Trump campaign spokesperson named Tim Merta had suggested Giuliani might be disbarred over his outrageous lives. Now, does that, but I'm, I'm not aware, they actually made a criminal referral of Rudy Giuliani. So criminally referring Trump for listening to Rudy Giuliani. But Giuliani's one who his lawyer, the report says nothing about the secret service claim that was made by Cassidy Hutchinson, who was an assistant. She had suggested that Trump was in the beast and was telling the the Secret Service members to take him to the front of the rally and they refused and he reached over heard throttling the guy in the front of the Secret Service car. There's no evidence that that is the case. Not from this report. There's some suggestions of obstruction of justice. Again, I say this is the toughest one for for Trump. It is the easiest one to prosecute. And Zoe Lgk in the Democrat of California said during the hearing on Monday, one lawyer told the witness, the witness could in certain circumstances tell the committee she didn't recall facts when she actually did recall them. The lawyer also did not disclose who was paying for the lawyer's representation despite questions from the client seeking that information. In another case, Lawrin said a client was offered potential employment that would make her quote financially very comfortable as they did of her testimony approached by entities that were apparently linked to Trump and his associates. These offers were withdrawn or didn't materialize. Those reports of the content of her testimony circulated. The witness believed this was an effort to affect her testimony. But again, that's a lot of dots that have yet to be connected, including dots specifically to Donald Trump. So what does any of this mean? The answer is it doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot. It's a lot of PR for the people who are on the January 6th committee and it's an attempt to elevate the entire situation. Liz Cheney gets her final moments in the sun before she recedes from public life because she lost her primary in her state by something like 40 points. Here is Liz Cheney in her final hurrah In the eyes of many in the world, this every four year ceremony that we accept as normal is nothing less than a miracle. Every president in our history has defended this orderly transfer of authority except one. At the beginning of our investigation, we understood that tens of millions of Americans had been persuaded by President Trump that the 2020 election was stolen by overwhelming fraud. And we also knew this was flatly false. Okay, so Liz Cheney getting in her final PR hits representative Benny Thompson Democrat. He does the same thing. And this is all a PR operation. Now, question as to whether it's a successful PR operation. We'll take up in just one second. And here is representative Benny Thompson That faith in our system is the foundation of American democracy. If the faith is broken, so are democracy. Donald Trump broke that faith. He lost the 2020 election and knew it, but he chose to try to stay in office through a multi-part scheme to overturn the results and blocked the transfer of power. In the end, he summoned the mob to Washington and knowingly they were armed and angry, pointed them to the capitol and told them to fight like hell. So, you know, again, the entire premise here, and this is the thing that, that I think that the Democrats know, it's a win-win for them. It's a win-win for them because if this helps Trump, Democrats believe it helps them. If it hurts Trump, Democrats believe that it hurts the entire Republican party. So it's a win-win for them to elevate this issue. They believe that it really helped them in 2022 by by evidence it did the sort of election, the the country's stake, democracies stake language from Joe Biden helped them in 2022. The more of that they they can do from here until 2024, the better. We'll get to more on this in just one moment. First, it's been a rough few years for your business from Covid to Biden. Inflation to stagflation haven't been the easiest road for you. Well, what if it turns out that you'd paid thousands of dollars too much in tax and you could claw back some of that money? This is why you need to give my friends an innovation refunds a call. If your business has five or more employees and managed to survive covid, you could be eligible to receive a payroll tax rebate of up to $26,000 per employee. It's not a loan, there's no payback. It's a refund on your taxes. The challenge is how do you get your hands on it? 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That's black rifle coffee.com with promo code Shapiro for 10% off Black Rifle Coffee Supporting Veterans and America's Coffee, go check them out today, black rifle coffee.com. Use promo code Shapiro for 10% off for all of your holiday shopping needs. So Donald Trump has responded. He did so on Truth Social. He wrote, the fake charges made by the highly partisan Unselect Committee of January 6th have already been submitted, prosecuted, and tried in the form of impeachment hoax number two, I won convincing double convincingly, double jeopardy, anyone. Well, that's not how double Jeopardy works. I mean, he wasn't criminally charged by by the house. I mean, the house doesn't have the power for criminal prosecution. They can't jail anyone. For example, Donald Trump continues. The people understand that the Democratic Bureau of Investigation, the D B I are out to keep me from running for president because they'll know, they know I'll win. And this whole business of prosecuting me is just like the impeachment was a partisan attempt to sideline me and the Republican party. Now that part, again is not, is not untrue. The lack of faith that has now been exposed in our institutions, ranging from the fbi, which did spend several years attempting to discredit Donald Trump's presidency and then spent the election cycle apparently pressuring social media to take, take down opposition information that hurt Hunter Biden. And when, when Donald Trump says that the so-called deep state was after him, he is not wrong about that. And Donald Trump then put out a full statement on the January 6th committee referral quote. These folks don't get it. And when they come after me, people who love freedom rally around me, it strengthens me. What doesn't kill me makes me stronger. Americans know I push for 20,000 troops to prevent violence on January 6th that I went on television and told everyone to go home. That was obviously later in the afternoon. Think of it, the radical left Democrats, communists spied on my campaign, lied to the FSA court, lied to Congress, allowed an invasion. Our country on the southern border, embarrassed us in Afghanistan, gave away our energy independence, killed us on job losing regulations, wouldn't use the 10,000 plus soldiers I recommended for January 6th, refused to look into election fraud. The reason for January 6th, the rigged and stole the 2020 election allowed ballot stuffing, fbi, Facebook, Twitter, and Biden Crime continued from previous. I'm the one that the corrupt and partisan Unselect Committee goes after a two-tier justice system. By the way, whatever happened with the massive crimes committed by Joe 100 Biden, that right there documented and 100% certain also wears the prosecutor from Delaware. What happened to him? Is he friends with the Ukrainian prosecutor who didn't prosecute after Biden held up the billions in payment to Ukraine. I did nothing wrong. Capital letters, again, is any of this going to to help Trump? I I don't think it'll help Trump, but it definitely helps Democrats to have this at the top of the news, which is specifically the reason why the media are making a big deal outta the January 6th committee. Is there a reason to make a big deal outta the January 6th committee? Probably not. The DOJ is not even gonna look at this report. There's nothing in the report the DOJ couldn't uncover on its own. But the media made a huge deal out of this yesterday. It was the top of every newscast. It was at the top of every major news website. And again, the media have an interest in pretending that this is a bipartisan committee. So here's CNN's Jim Sheda making that case yesterday. I get the symbolic argument and they are, because the DOJ has its own investigation here, and they're gonna decide whether to indict or not to indict based on what they find. That said, this is a committee, it's bipartisan. I know many Republicans don't look at it that way, but you have two prominent Republicans serving as vice chairs Kinzinger and, and Liz Cheney. They're gonna make criminal referrals right up to insurrection, including against the sitting president and current, you know, candidate, right? For 2024, The entire CNN panel was duly stunned. Again, they have to pretend to be stunned because for literally four years they kept saying that Trump was gonna be ousted from office based on a Russian collusion hoax. And it was, I remember I, I'd be working out in the gym every day and they, for some odd reason had CNN on the, on the television. And every day it would be like Wolf Blitzer breaking news, the Russian collusion scandal growth. And then it was nothing. So of course they have to play everything, every, every sort of bombshell as as a bombshell. There, there have been no bombshells here. Okay? We, everything that we found out on January 6th was still true. Two years later, nothing has changed, nothing has been uncovered here that is truly astonishing or stunning. It's all stuff that was done right out in the open. It was stunning when it was happening. And we heard CNN and their panel being astonished by the criminal referrals that were a foregone conclusion because that was literally the reason they formed this committee in the first place In Congress. The house like committee also recommending that Donald Trump be charged with conspiracy to make false statements as well as conspiracy to defraud the United States of America. And Jamie Gangel, not to put too fine a point on it, but this has never happened before, correct? It has never happened before that a bipartisan committee in the House of Representatives has said to the Justice Department, we think this former president committed crimes, here is the evidence, please go prosecute. Absolutely. Historic has never happened before. So I mean like, so it has never happened. Yeah, lots of things haven't happened before. They happen every day. The question is whether this has any real impact. So legally speaking the answer is no. The New York Times admits that the House Select Committee laying out an ambitious roadmap for the prosecution of former President Donald J. Trump and several of his allies on Monday, those recommendations don't have to be taken up by the doj and remains unclear just how closely the special counsel's office in charge of the DOJ will follow the path mapped out by the committee or whether Trump and others will face any criminal charges at all. In presenting the committee's findings, representative Jamie Raskin, democrat of Maryland, who by the way voted against the certification of the election in 2016, said he did not want the foot soldiers who stormed the capitol on January 6th to go to jail while the Masterminds and ringleaders get a free pass. However, as for the Justice Department's efforts, not much as publicly known about any specific charges the special counsel Jack Smith might be considering in a criminal prosecution. The department is under no obligation to adopt the committee's conclusions or to follow its recommendations. So the the notion that, that the special counsel is sitting there just waiting for something to happen is not true. So on a criminal level, this is going nowhere on a PR level, it does elevate the issue once again. And that is exactly what Democrats are looking for because again, Democrats are doing a crap job in terms of the actual governance. And so they have to come up with something for you to talk about other than their very, very bad governance. Speaking of which Title 42 was about to expire, chief Justice John Roberts halted a lower court decision that would've lifted the C D C's Title 42 Public Health Authority at the US Mexico border in days is ready to be done away with in days bunch of Republican governors had sued to stop Title 42 from being removed, specifically saying, if you do that, there's no backup plan in place. We're gonna just get this amazing flood at the board. As John Binder over at Breitbart reporting last month, the federal judge struck down Title 42, the CDC authority first imposed by former President Trump in 2020 that allowed border patrol agents to quickly return illegal aliens back to their native countries after arriving at the border. Rather than appealing the decision, president Biden's administration asked the court for five weeks to end Title 42, ensuring the authority would be lifted on December 21st. Biden's DOJ is now appealing the decision, but they're not seeking to keep Title 42 in place. Meanwhile, Republican ags from 19 states ask the Supreme Court to preserve Title 42 because they say, guys, if if we leave Title 42, there's gonna be a flood at the border. Now the Biden administration, again, they're a mess on this. So Kare, Jean Pierro world's most untalented press secretary yesterday, she refused to even answer whether the White House wants to end Title 42 or keep it in place. President has the ability to ask for an extension, he should be asking for an extension because we're at this point where you've got a deadline and a crisis. Is that within the President's authority to do that? So look, we remain, we're we remained under a court order to lift Title 42, that is a quarter order driving it though that that is a quarter order that is telling us to lift Title 42 and we're gonna comply because we followed the rule of law, but the Administration's sought to lift it. That is, But it is a court order that is That started by you guys. It was A court order then has been provided to us. And so now we have to comply. Well, I mean, you guys can decide whether to appeal. You guys can come with a backup policy, but you have no backup policy. The White House is taking the extraordinary position of we will leave the border open and then pretend the border is not open. And then if you mention the border is open, it's your fault. That is the position of this White House. Here's Kaha Pierre World's most un talented press secretary again, What is the White House's message to somebody who may see this somewhere in the Western hemisphere and think after Wednesday, it's gonna be easier to get into the United States? So look, first I wanna say the president of Ecuador has been a very good partner to us on this very issue. So I wanna make that very, very clear. But again, I I I stated this to, to Steve, and I'll say this again. Th the fact that the removal of Title 42 is happening in just a day or two doesn't mean that the border is open. It just doesn't mean that. Okay, then explain how it's closed. She cannot because they're already, I mean, in El Paso, they're declaring a state of emergency. That town is Democrat according to the Wall Street Journal. With the deterrent policy ending, the administration is racing to put together a combination of policies aimed at staving off what is expected to be an unprecedented increase in illegal border crossings. Once the policy lift a prospect that could quickly overwhelm the border patrol cities near the southern border and nonprofit shelters, some border cities have already seen surges of migrants. In anticipation of Title 42 ending, the officials are still completing specific policy elements. The overall plan they are moving toward would enact a su a new series of Keats and sticks to deter would be asylum seekers from attempting to cross the border illegally and instead let them apply for admission into the United States instead. See, this is what we call defining deviancy down. So instead of saying that it is illegal immigration, when you cross the border illegally, we'll just make it much, much easier for you to cross the border and then it won't be illegal when you do it. See how fun that is. It's really, really easy. You fix illegal immigration by declaring that there's no such thing as illegal immigration anymore. It's just people crossing the border, border illegally. Awesome. A key deterrence measure would be an updated version of a short-lived Trump era policy known as the transit ban. That ban would target migrants who cross the border illegally subjecting them to quick deportation unless they can pass a tougher initial asylum screening. According to people familiar with the plans for migrants of some nationalities, the administration is planning to offer an alternative path into the United States, allowing them to apply through an online portal for permission to fly to the United States where they can live on temporary humanitarian grounds and apply for asylum. So we're gonna make it easier for people to apply from abroad, and then we'll allow them to fly here while they await their actual asylum hearing. Great. We'll open an entirely new portal for people to illegally immigrate. Awesome. Some migrants will also be permitted to apply for asylum at Legal Land Board crossings. Though the administration will likely require them to register for an appointment in advance by filling out their information on a mobile app called CBP one. According to people familiar with the administration's thinking it couldn't be determined how many migrants would be permitted to enter the United States using either pathway. It it, this is an absurdity, but this administration is wildly incompetent. And so that absurdity is going to become worse and worse as Title 42 is relieved, prepare for a wave at the border and the Biden administration continue claiming against all available evidence that everything is just fine at the border. Meanwhile, bad democratic policy is not relegated to the border on the economy. We are now preparing to spend trillions more dollars. It's more than just one moment. First, the situation in Ukraine continues to be quite terrible for the people on the ground. Winter is setting in the Russian environment has not stopped. This is why my friends at the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews are really active in Ukraine right now. They've been working in Israel, Ukraine, and the former Soviet Union for more than 30 years. They've never seen hunger in suffering like is currently happening in Ukraine. It's one reason I'm asking for your help. 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And there's a person who had to drop out of a presidential campaign for plagiarism. That's not something that happens too often. This is, this is a perfect example of Joe Biden's lying face at work. Joe Biden has this habit, I've mentioned it before, anytime he tells a story in which he, in which his dad says something about Joey, whatever follows after Joey is a lie every single time without doubt. Anytime he says, Joe, My dad said, Joey, Whatever comes next is not true. So here's a perfect example of that rule at work. No, I, my dad, when I got elected vice president, he said, Joey, uncle Frank fought in the Battle of the Bulge. He was not fan very well now, not because of the Battle of Bulge, but he said, and he won the Purple Heart. He never received it. He never, he never got it. Do you think you could help him get it? Well, surprise him. So he got the Purple heart. He had won it in the Battle of the Balls. Okay? That was one very long word I think. And so where the sign language translator for, for Joe Biden is like, I, I don't know man, that's a, like a Super Nash potatoes in the face. But there's one, there's no problems. Yeah, the story is not true. According to fact check.org, a left wing fact checking website, Frank Biden, who served in the Army during World War II died in 1999. Not when Joe Biden was vice president in 1999. Joe Biden was senator to that. Also, Biden said he got the Purple heart for his uncle at the urging of his father. But Biden's dad died in 2002. Joe Biden was still in the Senate at that point. So like pretty much none of that was true. The White House couldn't find any s They, they couldn't find any support for the President's story. They asked the White House if this incident had happened and if so when the White House didn't answer any of the questions. Also, Joe Biden suggested that his, his uncle had joined the army in, in the aftermath of Pearl Harbor. That's not true. Apparently Frank Biden joined the Army on July 17th, 1941 months before the attack on Pearl Harbor. Also, there's no record that Frank Biden was ever awarded a Purple Heart either while he was alive or posthumously. So that's again, every time Joe Biden, this is one of the problems with Biden is that we can now attribute everything to his encroaching senility. But this is not just him being senile, this is him lying like his entire life. He does this all the time. He tells stories that are not true and then they become embedded in his memory and then he just keeps telling the story. My favorite example, as you all know, is, is the example of Joe Biden's father telling him about homosexuals in like 1950s Delaware or Scranton, Pennsylvania. I was On the street with my father and Scranton, Pennsylvania. I was maybe seven. She goes Aunt 90 51. There were two men. My father looked at him, said Joey, Joey, you see two men in Assless chaps dancing to Y M C A and then banging it out like Jack rabbits Joey, that's what love looks like, Joey. And is it Joe Biden man? Well that guy has a 43% approval rating. So of course he has to redirect away from his failures. One of the other democratic failures, aside from immigration, is obviously when it comes to spending and the spending continues to come fast and furious. This is not just a failure on the part of Democrats. Of course, Republicans who are cowardly in the Senate are apparently going forward with a massive spending a boondoggle as well. All of this is gonna come into direct conflict with the fact that the United States, despite the fact that we blew more money into the economy than any time in human history, now sees declining tax revenue. It turns out that the absence of actual innovation in the absence of actual economic growth, that fake economic growth brought about by loose monetary policy does not bring in the kind of tax revenue that you wish. According to the Wall Street Journal, the federal and state governments have had a good pandemic enjoying the gusher of tax revenue and federal large jazz. But those fat years are about to end and the political class in most places is not ready for it. The latest evidence came this month in the Federal revenue news for October and November. The first two months of the 2023 fiscal year revenues rose only 1% in contrast to a 21% increase in fiscal year 2022, individual taxes rose 4%. Corporate tax revenue fell 6%. Other revenue fell 21%. State revenues are also headed for an adjustment. California now faces a 25 billion deficit. The New York State Comptroller is warning about potential deficits as federal pandemic aid winds down and tax revenue falls. All of this was predictable, says the Wall Street Journal. Since the good times were kept afloat by easy money and a highly progressive tax code, federal tax receipts as a share of G D P hit a near record 19.6%. In fiscal 2022, Congress spent like a never end. Well it does, and this is before any recession in 2023. But is that going to stop the Republicans and Democrats from spending endless oodles of cash? Of course not. Congress has now revealed its 1.7 trillion deal to fund the government through next year. Goody goody gumdrops. The bill that is now being presented at the Senate level is over 4,000 pages long. The senators are supposed to pass this thing before Friday. Not a single one of them will have read this bill. No one will know what's in the bill. We'll find out what's in the bill when the bills come due. According to the Washington Post, democratic and Republican negotiators early on Tuesday unveiled a roughly 1.7 trillion deal to fund the US government through most of 2023, setting up a last minute sprint on Capitol Hill to approve the sprawling package in avert a potential shutdown. Now the question here is not really why the Democrats would go along with this. They're willing to spend 8 trillion. They don't care. The real question is why Republicans are going along with this. Why not attempt to stop the bill? Why not attempt to filibuster the bill? Why not attempt to do something to prevent this bill from passage? Considering that Republicans will take over the house in about a month here, that's all you have to do is just stop. But they're not. And one of the reasons they're not is because Mitch McConnell doesn't trust the house leadership to be able to get its bleep together when it comes to other spending proposals. He thinks that they will move toward government shutdowns. He thinks it'll all be posturing. It'll damage the Republican party. So he would rather work with the Democrats in the Senate than he would work with his own Republican party. That's what it comes down to. That's how little faith McConnell has his in his own party. And listen, I get where McConnell's coming from, the Republican party is essentially the most wisely of idiots. But that does not mean that you make a deal with the people you know are wrong. Who are the Democrats? The the measure is 4,155 pages. It is longer than the entirety of the Bible by a long shot. It includes funding for key elements of Joe Biden's economic agenda, new boosts to defense programs, and an additional 45 billion in emergency military and economic assistance for Ukraine. So you've now moved beyond military assistance. We're now shoring up the Ukrainian economy, which is of course what has to happen in the middle of a war. 45 billion. I mean, the amount of money that we are now expending in Ukraine is extraordinary. And again, I'm very much in favor of funding Ukraine so that Ukraine can can stop the Russians. We've spent no blood over there. I'd rather spend money than blood over there if we have to choose. With that said, is there any off-ramp in Ukraine? Like at any point here? Has Joe Biden considered an off-ramp in Ukraine? Shouldn't there be something or are we just gonna continue to spend hundreds billions of dollars in Ukraine? Democrats did not achieve all of the increases to domestic spending they initially sought, but the two parties leaders did agree to stitch onto the measure. A wide array of long simmering installed bills, recognizing the omnibus marks their final major legislative opening before Congress resets. In the new year, lawmakers appended proposals to improve pandemic readiness, extend some Medicaid benefits, help Americans save for retirement, ban TikTok on government devices and change the way the country counts presidential electoral votes. Democrats and Republicans could not find compromises on other outstanding fiscal and economic debates, particularly around a package of tax credits that might have aided low income families with children while preserving tax breaks for businesses, a slew of thorny issues that now weight lawmakers in a tough political environment. Next year, lawmakers have until the end of Friday to approve the package or else federal funds are set to run out, bringing key agencies and programs to a halt. Basically, McConnell has now given all the cards to the Democrats because Democrats can now claim that the Republicans are ready to go except for a few in transient. All he had to do is pass a cr, a continuing resolution. The house g o p correctly is bucking against this chip. Roy has written a letter to the Senate, g o p, saying, we urge you to take all steps necessary to stop the soon to be finalized on bus spending. Bill negotiated with Democrats at the very least, do respect for Americans who elected us would call for not passing a lame duck spending bill just days before the members fly home for Christmas. And two weeks before a new Republican majority is sworn in Senate, Republicans have the 41 votes necessary to stop this, introduce, so now show the Americans who elect you. They weren't wrong in doing so, they're also threatening to whip opposition to any legislative priority of the Senators who vote for this bill, including the Republican leader, saying that they will oppose any rule, any consent request, suspension, voice, vote, or rule call of any such Senate bill and will do everything in our power to thwart even the smallest legislative and policy efforts of those senators. So again, well done to to the Republican party, a circular firing squad over there rooted in apparent extraordinary incompetence, but the spending never ends no matter what the spending must go forward. Alrighty guys, the rest of the show is continuing right now. You're not gonna wanna miss it. We'll be getting into the FBI actively working with Twitter to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop information. Plus we'll be taking our calls. If you're not a member, click the link in The description and join us.

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lawyer johnny eastman advise legal theory pursue illegal try pursue legal theory sort stuff happen court literally time people pursue novel legal theory court come jurisprudence regular basis illegal necessarily accord committee donald trump seek corrupt department justice attempt enlist department official purposely false statement aid effort overturn presidential election effort fail donald trump offer position act attorney general jeff clark knowing clark intend disseminate false information aim overturn election moment notice big tech company masquerade privacy company take datum thing call incognito mode incognito google apple facebook ll release security feature attempt convince actually collect sell datum true free big tech platform cash sell information advertiser mean allow not allow mean s choice protect big text prying eye use expressive vpn year express vpn hide encrypt online activity big tech not track use express vpn device fire app tap button m protect expressive vpn 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thing donald trump donald trump come intent crime difficult man pin reason donald trump intent thing donald trump act react moment enact longterm plan seat pant donald trump go member department justice say want guy electoral fraud actually believe electoral fraud s question despite know electoral fraud here thing trump tell bill barr electoral fraud not mean mean believe bill barr problem try nail trump sort stuff committee say evidentiary basis contrary state federal law donald trump unlawfully pressure state official legislator change result election state come state mind go intent come crime element agree agree donald trump thing wrong thing bad mean criminal activity say change result election state accord perception accord perception s attempt change election outcome state accord donald trumps perception maybe attempt justify see true result election state continue line washington post takeaway committee report actually criminal referral charge ve bring forth code c obstruction official proceeding particular code section dedicate idea donald trump attempt obstruct counting vote wall punish corruptly alter destroy mutilate conceal record document object obstruct influence impede official proceeding offense committee include john eastmans referral idea donald trump attempt people change testimony evidence go to come forth show exert pressure kind pressure necessary sustain obstruction charge s s go to troublesome trump one difficult sustain like obstruction charge go to doj go trump likely stick go to difficult obstruction different crime actual underlying crime actual underlying crime suggest trump guilty insurrection trump guilty attempt foment overthrow republic kind stuff obstruction charge simple get phone brad raffin say m go to life live hell x x happen thing legal right change testimony call witness evidence m aware suggest trump directly call witness tell witness testify truthfully difficult sustain conviction criminal prosecution easy game town doj take time sort thing congressional committee staff donald trumps opponent not exactly viable source referral criminal charge charge conspiracy defraud united states broadly write statute accord wall street journal prohibit agreement obstruct lawful function government deceitful dishonest mean march federal judge say trump postelection conduct violate law obstruction statute describe obstruct lawful function government deceitful dishonest mean s broadly write boil specifically intent fraud like intent crime donald trump intend obstruct election mean know wrong difficult thing trump charge conspiracy false statement prohibit make false statement government committee suggest submit false slate presidential elector trump ally engage conspiracy violate statute suggest not alternative legal theory donald trump think election steal rightly wrongly suggest possibility alternative slate elector fact happen american history statute apply particular case finally biggie right hang hat insurrection statute make crime assist engage rebellion insurrection authority united states law justice department bring insurrection charge criminal prosecution people actually go capitol build sh shout hang mike pen idea go to hang trumps neck silly go to able insurrection charge president united states fact leave office legally sort charge think unlikely doj go able uphold obstruction dicey doj j obviously political purpose winwin biden administration democrats election show entire debacle winwin democrats let trump let lose let trump actually vindicate believe trump weak candidate run base fact lose lose sentence get candidate get ass kick democrats think let elevate issue trump case board wind outta sale supporter not trump case trump elevate possible republican opponent think republican opponent strong fear fear trump win win forward sort activity big takeaway report criminal charge accord washington post committee repeatedly point trump negligent january approve violence day final report add detail specifically say longtime trump eat ho hick texte campaign ad riot january fifth shed say trump preemptively attend speech ellipse peaceful okay problem trump reject necessarily mean s favor violence somebody encourage tweet want people peaceful like ll not wanna tweet reason not wanna tweet cause not wanna suggestion supporter inherently violent m give want s pretty good political reason not tweet stay peaceful come protest implication not know people go to violent sort accept responsibility violence fact way s exactly happen trump speech say stay peaceful go rio blame trump not actually work tweet committee play video monday white house advisor kellyann conway recount conversation trump day january conway say call situation terrible crazy trump respond know people upset upset wrong yes gross view yes mean donald trump guilty violence particularly kamala harris current vice president united states bail rioter riot report show new detail hundred weapon apparently present canister pepper spray knife blade brass knuckle taser piece body armor gas mask baton blunt instrument miscellaneous item like scissor needle screwdriver people go magno magnetometer report add thousand purposefully remain outside magnetometer leave piece leave pack outside report say maybe case people observe carry gun way show organize physical insurrection weapon use insurrection screwdriver weapon use insurrection typically happen firearm thousand people rally maybe thousand people rally estimate m aware actually get capitol building term gun report suggest s evidence trump waive voting machine conspiracy theory tell voting machine problem not believe go go trumps state mind talk criminal referral crime require intent negligence crime strict liability crime intent crime intent require intent mean look brain donald trump interesting place come intent crime trumps myriad activity course month november january report talk giuliani rudy giuliani baseless kind crazy allegation put colorful incident involve trump campaign manager bill stepian say literally lock door trump ally want press forward steal election claim giuliani try door stepian say assistant lock door tell not let know sure know mayor giuliani try office order unlock door not s smart trump campaign spokesperson name tim merta suggest giuliani disbar outrageous life m m aware actually criminal referral rudy giuliani criminally refer trump listen rudy giuliani giulianis lawyer report say secret service claim cassidy hutchinson assistant suggest trump beast tell secret service member rally refuse reach hear throttle guy secret service car s evidence case report s suggestion obstruction justice tough trump easy prosecute zoe lgk democrat california say hearing monday lawyer tell witness witness certain circumstance tell committee not recall fact actually recall lawyer disclose pay lawyer representation despite question client seek information case lawrin say client offer potential employment quote financially comfortable testimony approach entity apparently link trump associate offer withdraw not materialize report content testimony circulate witness believe effort affect testimony s lot dot connect include dot specifically donald trump mean answer not mean hell lot lot pr people january committee attempt elevate entire situation liz cheney get final moment sun recede public life lose primary state like point liz cheney final hurrah eye world year ceremony accept normal miracle president history defend orderly transfer authority beginning investigation understand ten million americans persuade president trump election steal overwhelming fraud know flatly false okay liz cheney get final pr hit representative benny thompson democrat thing pr operation question successful pr operation second representative benny thompson faith system foundation american democracy faith break democracy donald trump break faith lose election know choose try stay office multipart scheme overturn result block transfer power end summon mob washington knowingly armed angry point capitol tell fight like hell know entire premise thing think democrats know winwin winwin help trump democrats believe help hurt trump democrats believe hurt entire republican party winwin elevate issue believe help evidence sort election countrys stake democracy stake language joe biden help well moment rough year business covid biden inflation stagflation not easy road turn d pay thousand dollar tax claw money need friend innovation refund business employee manage survive covid eligible receive payroll tax rebate employee loan s payback refund taxis challenge hand cut red tape business refund money head refundscom team tax attorney highly train little known payroll tax refund program ve return billion business help work charge simply share percentage cash business type qualify include take p ppp nonprofit increase sale pay taxis leave money federal government say head refundscom click qualify answer quick question payroll tax refund available limited time not miss head refundscom refundscom start notice m look little peek lately yeah kid get early morning high energy like rely black rifle coffee black rifle coffee not coffee sort awesome stuff holiday season black rifle coffee company help knock holiday shop ton awesome new product year design folk love country coffee shop brewing gear thermos mug apparel promo code shapiro black rifle source exotic roast globe coffee roast right united states veteran lead team coffee expert purchase black rifle help support veteran responder cause daily wire plus kitchen stock black rifle coffee mean minus black rifle coffeecom use promo code shapiro coffee coffee gear apparel sign new coffee club subscription s black rifle coffeecom promo code shapiro black rifle coffee support veteran americas coffee check today black rifle coffeecom use promo code shapiro holiday shopping need donald trump respond truth social write fake charge highly partisan unselect committee january submit prosecute try form impeachment hoax number win convince double convincingly double jeopardy s double jeopardy work mean not criminally charge house mean house not power criminal prosecution not jail example donald trump continue people understand democratic bureau investigation d b run president ll know know ill win business prosecute like impeachment partisan attempt sideline republican party untrue lack faith expose institution range fbi spend year attempt discredit donald trumps presidency spend election cycle apparently pressure social medium opposition information hurt hunter biden donald trump say socalled deep state wrong donald trump statement january committee referral quote folk not come people love freedom rally strengthen not kill make strong american know push troop prevent violence january go television tell home obviously later afternoon think radical left democrats communist spy campaign lie fsa court lie congress allow invasion country southern border embarrass afghanistan give away energy independence kill job lose regulation not use plus soldier recommend january refuse look election fraud reason january rig steal election allow ballot stuff fbi facebook twitter biden crime continue previous m corrupt partisan unselect committee go twoti justice system way happen massive crime commit joe biden right document certain wear prosecutor delaware happen friend ukrainian prosecutor not prosecute biden hold billion payment ukraine wrong capital letter go help trump not think ll help trump definitely help democrats news specifically reason medium make big deal outta january committee reason big deal outta january committee probably doj go to look report s report doj not uncover medium huge deal yesterday newscast major news website medium interest pretend bipartisan committee here cnns jim sheda make case yesterday symbolic argument doj investigation go to decide indict indict base find say committee bipartisan know republican not look way prominent republican serve vice chair kinzinger liz cheney go to criminal referral right insurrection include sit president current know candidate right entire cnn panel duly stunned pretend stun literally year keep say trump go to oust office base russian collusion hoax remember d work gym day odd reason cnn television day like wolf blitzer break news russian collusion scandal growth course play sort bombshell bombshell bombshell okay find january true year later change uncover truly astonishing stun stuff right open stunning happen hear cnn panel astonish criminal referral foregone conclusion literally reason form committee place congress house like committee recommend donald trump charge conspiracy false statement conspiracy defraud united states america jamie gangel fine point happen correct happen bipartisan committee house representative say justice department think president commit crime evidence prosecute absolutely historic happen mean like happen yeah lot thing not happen happen day question real impact legally speak answer new york times admit house select committee lay ambitious roadmap prosecution president donald j trump ally monday recommendation not take doj remain unclear closely special counsel office charge doj follow path map committee trump face criminal charge present committee finding representative jamie raskin democrat maryland way vote certification election say want foot soldier storm capitol january jail mastermind ringleader free pass justice departments effort publicly know specific charge special counsel jack smith consider criminal prosecution department obligation adopt committee conclusion follow recommendation notion special counsel sit wait happen true criminal level go pr level elevate issue exactly democrat look democrats crap job term actual governance come talk bad governance speak title expire chief justice john roberts halt low court decision ve lift c d cs title public health authority mexico border day ready away day bunch republican governor sue stop title remove specifically say s backup plan place go to amazing flood board john binder breitbart reporting month federal judge strike title cdc authority impose president trump allow border patrol agent quickly return illegal alien native country arrive border appeal decision president biden administration ask court week end title ensure authority lift december biden doj appeal decision seek title place republican ag state ask supreme court preserve title guy leave title s go to flood border biden administration mess kare jean pierro world untalente press secretary yesterday refuse answer white house want end title place president ability ask extension ask extension point ve get deadline crisis president authority look remain remain court order lift title quarter order drive quarter order tell lift title go to comply follow rule law administration seek lift court order start guy court order provide comply mean guy decide appeal guy come backup policy backup policy white house take extraordinary position leave border open pretend border open mention border open fault position white house heres kaha pierre world un talented press secretary white house message somebody western hemisphere think wednesday go to easy united states look wanna president ecuador good partner issue wanna clear state steve ill th fact removal title happen day not mean border open not mean okay explain closed mean el paso declare state emergency town democrat accord wall street journal deterrent policy end administration race combination policy aim stave expect unprecedented increase illegal border crossing policy lift prospect quickly overwhelm border patrol city near southern border nonprofit shelter border city see surge migrant anticipation title end official complete specific policy element overall plan move enact su new series keat stick deter asylum seeker attempt cross border illegally instead let apply admission united states instead define deviancy instead say illegal immigration cross border illegally easy cross border will not illegal fun easy fix illegal immigration declare s thing illegal immigration anymore people cross border border illegally awesome key deterrence measure update version shortlived trump era policy know transit ban ban target migrant cross border illegally subject quick deportation pass tough initial asylum screen accord people familiar plan migrant nationality administration plan offer alternative path united states allow apply online portal permission fly united states live temporary humanitarian ground apply asylum go to easy people apply abroad allow fly await actual asylum hear great open entirely new portal people illegally immigrate awesome migrant permit apply asylum legal land board crossing administration likely require register appointment advance fill information mobile app call cbp accord people familiar administration think not determine migrant permit enter united states pathway absurdity administration wildly incompetent absurdity go bad bad title relieve prepare wave border biden administration continue claim available evidence fine border bad democratic policy relegate border economy prepare spend trillion dollar moment situation ukraine continue terrible people ground winter set russian environment stop friend international fellowship christians jews active ukraine right ve work israel ukraine soviet union year ve see hunger suffer like currently happen ukraine reason m ask help example norman year old holocaust survivor s blind birth live jewish old age home odessa ukraine infrastructure destruction s happen norman heat clean water month international fellowship christians jews supply blanket food essential help norman survive winter urgently need help continue get norman supply need season giving consider donate international fellowship christians jews ground provide generator build well provide medicine food box dire situation buck ensure warmth food clean water jewish kid elderly need right international fellowship christians jews special matching challenge donation end double impact tax deductible gift multiply twice provide twice winter necessity save life head ben fellowshiporg tech shapiro s ben fellowshiporg tech shapiro day away christmas not hide truth long not gift list ve bad little boy girl time fix tempt disown brave minute christmas rush jeremys razor help family friend jeremys egift card perfect present wake free folk narrowly neglect guarantee arrive time christmas s right joe bidens supply chain prevent friend family unwrap great gift big day opt precision razor flip trimmer tea tree argon oil shampoo conditioner luxurious beard kit gift card recipient happy know ve help woke razor company hate poorer bring gift excuse daily wirecomben pick jeremys razor egift card finish touch christmas shopping okay january committee trump relate attempt democrat redirect fail policy attempt redirect fact president united states vegetable mean mean long sentient evidence m non sentient s congenital liar joe biden congenital liar literally entire career s person drop presidential campaign plagiarism s happen perfect example joe biden lie face work joe biden habit ve mention anytime tell story dad say joey follow joey lie single time doubt anytime say joe dad say joey come true here perfect example rule work dad get elect vice president say joey uncle frank fight battle bulge fan battle bulge say win purple heart receive get think help surprise get purple heart win battle ball okay long word think sign language translator joe biden like not know man s like super nash potato face s s problem yeah story true accord fact checkorg left wing fact check website frank biden serve army world war ii die joe biden vice president joe biden senator biden say get purple heart uncle urging father bidens dad die joe biden senate point like pretty true white house not find s not find support president story ask white house incident happen white house not answer question joe biden suggest uncle join army aftermath pearl harbor s true apparently frank biden join army july month attack pearl harbor s record frank biden award purple heart alive posthumously s time joe biden problem biden attribute encroach senility senile lie like entire life time tell story true embed memory keep tell story favorite example know example joe bidens father tell homosexual like delaware scranton pennsylvania street father scranton pennsylvania maybe seven go aunt man father look say joey joey man assless chap dance y m c bang like jack rabbit joey s love look like joey joe biden man guy approval rating course redirect away failure democratic failure aside immigration obviously come spending spending continue come fast furious failure democrats course republicans cowardly senate apparently go forward massive spending boondoggle go to come direct conflict fact united states despite fact blow money economy time human history see decline tax revenue turn absence actual innovation absence actual economic growth fake economic growth bring loose monetary policy bring kind tax revenue wish accord wall street journal federal state government good pandemic enjoy gusher tax revenue federal large jazz fat year end political class place ready late evidence come month federal revenue news october november month fiscal year revenue rise contrast increase fiscal year individual taxis rise corporate tax revenue fall revenue fall state revenue head adjustment california face billion deficit new york state comptroller warn potential deficit federal pandemic aid wind tax revenue fall predictable say wall street journal good time keep afloat easy money highly progressive tax code federal tax receipt share g d p hit near record fiscal congress spend like end recession go stop republicans democrat spend endless oodle cash course congress reveal trillion deal fund government year goody goody gumdrop bill present senate level page long senator suppose pass thing friday single read bill know s bill find s bill bill come accord washington post democratic republican negotiator early tuesday unveil roughly trillion deal fund government set minute sprint capitol hill approve sprawl package avert potential shutdown question democrats willing spend trillion not care real question republican go attempt stop bill attempt filibuster bill attempt prevent bill passage consider republicans house month s stop reason mitch mcconnell not trust house leadership able bleep come spending proposal think government shutdown think ll posture ll damage republican party work democrats senate work republican party s come s little faith mcconnell party listen mcconnell come republican party essentially wisely idiot mean deal people know wrong democrats measure page long entirety bible long shot include funding key element joe bidens economic agenda new boost defense program additional billion emergency military economic 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Jan 22, 2024 Donald Trump Holds Campaign Event In Rochester, New Hampshire. Read the transcript here. Donald Trump (00:01): Thank you. Thank you. Wow, what a crowd. You got a lot of people standing outside. Would you like to let them take your place? Audience (00:10): No. Donald Trump (00:10): They cannot get in. We want to thank your fire department actually, they’ve been great. You got a lot of people out there. That’s like a poll, right, that’s like a poll. So I just want to say a very special hello to New Hampshire. It’s been a very important place for me. You remember 2016, we really had to come in here and win it and we won it by 21 points, and the rest was history. We just went up and down the East Coast, through the Midwest we went through, and it was a beautiful thing to see. And I think even, if you look at 2020, we did better in 2020 than 2016. I think that right now we have the highest level of enthusiasm that anybody’s ever seen, ever for a [inaudible 00:00:59]. And the reason, the reason is, they are so bad. They are destroying our country. We have the worst president in the history of our country and he’s destroying, he is destroying our country. (01:15)I just told a very brilliant interviewer who might be right there. There he is. Lawrence, come here for a second. Come here, get over here. He gave me a killer interview. No, I just said that the happiest person with Biden is Jimmy Carter because Jimmy Carter, his administration was brilliant by comparison. (01:47)Before we begin, I’d like to take time to congratulate Ron DeSantis and of course a really terrific person, who I’d had gotten to know his wife Casey, for having run a great campaign for president. He did, he ran a really good campaign, I will tell you. It’s not easy. They think it’s easy doing this stuff, right, it’s not easy. But as you know, he left the campaign trail today at 3:00 PM and in so doing he was very gracious and he endorsed me, so I appreciate it, Ron. (02:23)I appreciate that and I also look forward to working with Ron and everybody else to defeat crooked Joe Biden. We will have to get him out. We have to get him out. He’s put our country at great peril, at great peril. So I just want to thank Ron and congratulate him on doing a very good job. It’s a tough situation. (02:47)It’s a tough thing to do. I’m thrilled to be here in the home of the first-in-the-nation primary. Do you know why you’re first in the nation? Because of me, I kept you there. Unlike Biden, I kept you there. First in the nation, that’s right, and we’re keeping you there. The Democrats abandoned you and they abandoned also a place … You know where else they abandoned, right? Huh? Iowa, and we did very well. Did we do well in Iowa? I think we’re going to have the same kind of a result here as we did last week in Iowa. Iowa was great. They said, “Sir, it’s a little bit cold tonight.” I said, ” Is it 40 below zero?” They said, “No, it’s like about 10 degrees.” I said, “That’s like warm.” No, Iowa was great and you’re great. The whole country is great, you want to know the truth. They just need some help. (03:44)Since 2016, you and I have been in this battle side by side, taking on the corrupt system, and it’s a corrupt system. It’s so corrupt. Every element practically is corrupt, it’s sad to see. And who would’ve ever brought it to your attention, and it’s important that we do bring it to your attention because that way we can fix it. We’re going to fix it. The Washington swamp has done everything in its power to take away your voice, but this Tuesday I believe the people of New Hampshire are going to speak loud and clear, very loud. (04:21)With your vote, you’re going to send a message straight to crooked Joe Biden and his radical left thugs who weaponized the DOJ, and the fake news media has to get in line also because they know exactly what’s going on. Send them a signal that we are coming this November. That’s why everybody has to get out. Don’t believe the polls, assume that we’re down one instead of up 30 or whatever it was. We’re up by a lot. But pretend you’re down by one and you go out and you wake up your husband and you say, “Harry, we’re going to vote.” “I can’t do it. I don’t feel good. I don’t feel like …” And just say, “I don’t care if you don’t feel good or not, you’re going to vote, Harry.” You’ll get them out there. Get your neighbors, get your family, get everybody, you got to vote, because we have to win by big margins. We have to let them know this is a movement. (05:09)This is the greatest movement in the history of politics of this country, and maybe beyond. I love when they say that MAGA, it’s Make America Great … “What do you think about Biden?” “MAGA is a threat.” You know what MAGA is? Make America … He wouldn’t know. If I said, “What’s MAGA, Joe,” he wouldn’t know. It’s Make America Great Again. Make America Great Again, Joe. America first, it’s America first. (05:36)Two days from now we’re going to win New Hampshire, and then we’re going to defeat crooked Joe Biden and we are going to, in fact, make America great again. Your vote in this primary is your personal chance to score the ultimate victory over the liars, cheaters and frauds trying to destroy America. So this Tuesday, January 23rd, get every patriot, all of the patriots, the non-patriotic person, yeah, if you can get them to vote, let them vote too. Let them vote too, but get every patriot you know and turn out because we want to set records. We’re going to set records. The weather’s going to be okay, meaning like about 10 degrees. No, it’s actually the weather’s going to be pretty good. (06:22)All the information you need is at nh.donaldjtrump. Did you ever hear of him? .com, donaldjtrump.com. As you know here in New Hampshire Nikki Haley has made an unholy alliance with RINOs, never Trumpers, Americans for no prosperity. Did you ever hear of Americans for no prosperity? I added the word “no” because that’s essentially what they do. I was going to say Americans for China prosperity, but they’re no good, they’re no good. They’re headed up by bad people. Globalists, radical left communists, to get liberals and Biden supporters to vote for her and the Republican Party. (07:06)Just use voting for Democrats are voting. What kind of a governor do you have in the state where they allow Democrats, Democrats … They’ve already got 5,000 signed up, but that’s peanuts compared to the numbers we get, so. No, but they’ve already got, you had to be signed up by October 7th. But think of it, Democrats to vote in the Republican primary, what kind of a governor would allow that? He is the most overrated governor, but not really because most people don’t think he’s a very good governor so it’s nothing. But you’ll end up getting rid of him pretty quick. (07:39)The people behind Nikki are pro-amnesty. You like that? Pro-China, pro open borders, pro-war, pro deep state and they’re pro-Biden. Did you see where 50% of the people that voted for her in Iowa are going to vote for Biden? In other words, they’re Democrats. They’re voting, they’re voting. Think of it, they’re going to vote for Biden. They just had no choice so they picked her. This is not what we want. Our movement is pro-borders, pro-jobs, pro-freedom, and 100% pro-America, pro-America. (08:16)We are the party, and I think this is so important, we are the party of common sense. People say, “Oh, you’re conservative.” No, I don’t care, it’s like, doesn’t matter. We are the party of common sense. We want borders. We want low taxes. We want a strong military. We want to drill, baby, drill. We want to drill, baby, drill, and bring down energy costs. Because your state, New Hampshire has the highest energy cost in the entire country. Do you know that? And I am going to bring your energy cost down by 50% within one year. It’ll be easy to do. It’ll be easy do, and it’s been that way for a long time. Never made sense. (08:58)But that’s another governor thing. This governor, you got to get him out of there. He’s a big Nikki guy, which makes sense, that made sense. When I heard that he ran for president, but he didn’t run … He didn’t have the guts to announce it, so he ran. He was trending around the Asa Hutchinson. (09:17)This guy ran, he was at zero for a year. Then two months ago he hit 1%. I said that was like breaking news, he hit 1%, but the following month he was back to zero. Then he had one month where he was zero with an arrow pointing to the left, meaning he was less … Guy ran for like a year. No, your governor wasn’t much better. But in all fairness to Asa, your governor never had the guts to announce. He ran for president but never announced because he didn’t want to announce and have to take it back, so he just pretended like nothing happened. We’re wise to them. (09:52)The radical left Democrats are supporting Nikki for a very simple reason, because they know she’s easy to beat. They came out with a poll two days ago where she’s way down to Biden and I’m way up on Biden, and that’s the way it is. She’s unelectable. Nikki Haley wants to change the working class … Just think of this. So you have a nice working class and they want to put a 23% national sales tax on everything that’s purchased. Do you think that’s good? Forget about middle class, how about poor people? They have to pay 23% when they buy something, while she raises, and she wants to do this, the Social Security retirement age by perhaps an extra 10 years because she’s talking about a certain life cycle. So you can labor until the day you die and then not collect a penny out of your benefits that you really are entitled to. We’re not going to play with your Social Security and we’re not going to play with your Medicare. Remember that. (10:54)I know politicians well, because for my whole life, except for the last little while, I had the greatest life going. I had that great … What the hell did I do? I got indicted more than Alphonse Capone. No, can you believe me? Al Capone. If he had dinner with you, even these young ladies didn’t matter to him, he was equal opportunity, if he had dinner with you, if he didn’t like you, he’d kill you. You’d be dead. This guy got indicted less than me, do you believe it? Because I say the election was rigged, let me tell you, and it was. And we have all the proof you need too. (11:33)If you’re lucky enough to live past the retirement of age 75, I guess they go by 75 under the Nikki Haley plan. She wants to gut Medicare using the Paul Ryan scheme. You know Paul Ryan or RINO? Like the ultimate RINO, he destroys everything … He goes on boards and the company hasn’t done so well since he’s done that. But Paul Ryan used to be Speaker of the House, not a good one. He led the Democrat ads. This was the ad, the granny off the cliff, they took his policy and they say, “Let’s do an ad where we push granny off a cliff in a wheelchair.” This was not a good ad for us. That was Paul Ryan. (12:16)With your vote, this campaign, and this is on Tuesday, you can declare that the Republican Party is never going back to the days of a weak establishment candidate. Candidates who preach cutting Medicare and Social Security at home, while they spend trillions and trillions of dollars on really dumb, endless wars. They never end. They go on for 22 years, 24 years. We don’t do that, do we? And we defeated ISIS in four months. Remember, we were supposed to take four years? Four months. (12:49)Because we have an incredible military. Not the people that are on television from the military, not the people that are missing for five days, Secretary of Defense, not the people that are missing. And he’s running the war. A couple of days ago … We have a new war going on in the Middle East. You see, we’re dropping bombs all over the place again. You can do it with a telephone call and be much tougher just if you know what you’re doing. These guys are back into the war in the Middle East, it never ends, never ends. (13:20)So we have a Secretary of Defense who’s been missing, and now we find out he’s been running the war from his laptop in a hospital bed. The laptop is on his stomach, I know exactly how it is. It’s on his stomach, and he’s running the war. This is not good because this is the same group that ran the horrible, most embarrassing moment in the country’s history, Afghanistan, where we lost soldiers should have never been lost. None of this stuff would’ve happened, none of this … I got it down to a point where we could get it … We had to get out, it was good, but I would’ve never let Bagram, that’s the Air Force base, one hour away from where China makes its nuclear weapons. It was so good for us. He left. You know who’s occupying Bagram right now? Audience (14:02): China. Donald Trump (14:02): China, they’re occupying it. We lost soldiers. Speaker 1 (14:08): [inaudible 00:14:08] China. Donald Trump (14:09): We left, what’s called now, we left American hostages. Audience (14:12): Boo. USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA. Donald Trump (14:43): Okay, he looks like a nice person, but we’re never going back … I missed that, it doesn’t happen very much. It used to happen all the time. These are misguided people, these are misguided people. We’re never going back to the days of globalist RINOs who promise border security before the election. Remember that? Border security. We had the safest border in the history of our country, and now we have the most unsafe border in the history of the world. But they do the bidding for Wall Street. They want open borders … After the election, you wait and you see what happens. We’re going to win this election. We’re going to have a great border, we’re going to have more energy than you’ve ever had, and we’re never going back. So if you want a losing candidate who puts America last, vote for Nikki Haley. But if you want a president who puts America first, and did it successfully for four years, I’m the only … Did you ever read the stat that I’m the first president that didn’t go into and start a war? I finished some wars, like with ISIS. And remember when I was running against, and I don’t use that nickname anymore because I gave it to Biden, Hillary, beautiful, beautiful Hillary, remember when … And she got up and she said, “With his personality, we’ll be starting wars.” No, no, I finished wars. I took our people out, surprising, and we won. (16:12)With your support, we will soon be taking the oath of office on the steps of the United States Capitol and we’re going to have a whole different country. As soon as I lift my hand from the Bible as your 47th president, I will seal the border, shut down the invasion of millions and millions of people coming into our country, and we will start an energy revolution. We have more than anybody else. We are going to resume that drilling. What they’ve done, look, look, what they’ve done to this country is not even believable, what they’ve done, especially when you look at the border, things like Afghanistan, it was a surrender. That was a pure surrender. Horrible, I believe the lowest moment in the history. (17:03)But what they’ve done to this country in so many ways, we’re no longer respected. We have a man that can’t put two sentences together, and he’s negotiating with President Xi of China, with Putin. He’s negotiating. Our country has never been in this danger, I’ll tell you right now, and I’m talking about World War III type danger. We have never ever had a situation like this. And the only reason the stock market’s high because they think we’re going to win the election, that’s the only reason, because that will come crashing down if we don’t. (17:34)We will terminate every diversity, equity, and inclusion program across the entire federal government. And I will instruct the heads of ICE and Border Patrol to begin the largest deportation program in American history because it’s not sustainable. Three years ago we had the most secure border in US history. We built 561 miles of border wall. Remember with Mexico, they did so much. Remember? Mexico gave us 28,000 soldiers free of charge. I said, “You must give them to us.” They said, “No.” I said, “You have to give them to us.” They said, “No.” I said, “You will. Don’t worry about it, you will.” They said, “No, we’re not.” (18:18)And then they sent their top negotiator, good negotiator, very handsome guy, nice guy, beautiful. He looked like Cary Grant. But I said, “We want 28,000 soldiers.” He laughed at me, he said, “Oh-oh-oh, why would we do that?” {You’re going to do it. I promise you, you’re going to do it.” “No, we’re not going to do it.” “Yes you are.” Then I said, “Also, we want catch and release in Mexico,” not in the United States. We have catch and release. Will we release them into the United States and nobody ever sees them again, unless they murder somebody, so we catch and release. I said, “I want it in Mexico.” I want all of these things. (18:51)I gave them a list of 10 things. Tom Homan gave me a list. Brandon Judd of Border Patrol. I took a list from the top 10 guys, I got every single one. They said, “You’ll never get it.” A woman from the State Department said to me, “Sir,” and she was very good but she was a lousy negotiator, she said, “Sir, you’ll never get this stuff.” “I’ll get every one of them.” I said, “Give me your top 10 …” I called it a top 10 list. And I went to Mexico and they said … They came in to see me, the top people. The president had a great relationship with him, actually, great. That’s why he didn’t want to negotiate with me, he wanted to keep it good. (19:24)But they came in to see me, the representatives, the one guy leading it, very highly respected guy. And I said, “No, you’re going to have to give us these 10 things.” And they said … He actually thought I was kidding. And the person from the State Department said, “Sir, we’ve been asking for these things for 25 years, would never get one of them.” I said, “You get all 10.” I said, “You’re going to get all 10,” and she smiled. (19:46)Okay, so then it goes along and, “I want soldiers. I want protection.” This is why, we had the safest border in the history of our country, and Mexico gave us thousands and thousands of soldiers. And they’re not as politically correct as our soldiers Donald Trump (20:00): … just have to be. Like, “Ma’am, please don’t cross the border.” No, they’re soldiers, Pancho Villa. Did you ever hear Pancho Villa with that thing and the bullets going across? They gave us the soldiers and I said, “No, we’re going to do it.” “No, you’re not.” I said, “Here’s what I’m doing. If you don’t give us everything I want, I am signing a document.” I had the document. I said, “I’m signing it right now.” It was Friday. I said, “On Monday morning at seven o’clock, everything that comes from Mexico into the United States is going to have a 25% tariff. And if you don’t get it done within one month, it goes to 50%, then it goes to 75 and then it goes to a hundred.” And the same guy that said, “I will never do this, sir, you have to be kidding.” He thought I was kidding. I said, “I’m not kidding.” (20:42)I don’t kid, actually. I don’t kid. I said, “What are you going to do?” He said, “Sir, I’d like to take five minutes.” He took five minutes. He called the president of Mexico. Came back in about two minutes: “Sir, it would be our great honor to do every one of those things. Be our great honor. It will be our great honor.” (21:01)So we have a policy remain in Mexico. Now, you don’t have to be a total genius, remain in Mexico until you’ve added in everything. We had hundreds of thousands of people in Tijuana. This was not a lovely place at that point. This was not a good place to take the family for a little trip. It was rough stuff. But you know what? They weren’t in our country and we’d do it right. We had such a great system. (21:28)If Biden, instead of going to the beach and destroying everything, if he went to the beach and did nothing, just slept… He goes to the beach because one of his consultant thinks he looks good in a bathing suit. And he has a hard time with the feet in the sand, and he has a harder time lifting… You know those chairs, they’re about eight ounces, right? They’re made so that a child can lift them up for a grandfather to sleep in and he can’t lift it. But Secret Service did the job. They’re great. (21:59)Under Biden, the USA has been turned into a dumping ground and a disrespected one. We have, if you think about it, people coming in from all parts of the world, from parts unknown speaking languages that people here have never even heard, and they’re being dumped into our country. They’re coming in from mental institutions. They’re coming in from jails and prisons. They’re terrorists. And they’re coming in at levels that nobody’s ever seen before. (22:27)Do you know, I think the fake news will agree with this, they had a post up about two weeks ago. They said, and I don’t even believe this, this is too good to be true: In 2019, that’s one of my years, they had no terrorists coming into our country. We had the terror ban. We had all the different things. We had no terrorists. It actually said, and you can go check it, you can check Deface the Nation or one of these shows, I think they put it up. “Ladies and gentlemen, it’s Donald Trump on Deface the Nation.” (22:59)Oh, they’re bad news. They’re all bad. They’re all so bad. I don’t even know. Why? Why do they want to have an open border? Why do they want to have high interest rates, high taxes, a bad military? It’s the one thing nobody’s been able to explain, why? Because again, you want to have borders. If you don’t have borders and fair elections, you don’t have a country. And we don’t have borders and we don’t have fair elections when you get right down to it. On day one, I will terminate every open border policy of crooked Joe Biden and the Biden administration. And to stop the deadly drugs that are poisoning our people… We are losing, in my opinion, 300,000. Not a hundred, not 97, it’s been 97 for years. It’s 300,000, probably more than that, right, Joe? I would say probably… These are front row Joe’s over here. They follow me all over the place. I can’t get rid of them. I can’t get rid of them. These are all front row Joe’s. They’re fantastic. You must have a lot of money. No matter where I go… I say it’s front row Joe’s. Actually, though, you’ve become quite famous, which is pretty cool, right, when you get right down… Thank you everybody. (24:18)Oh, North Carolina. We have North Carolina. We have a group of women, they’ve gone to 117 events. Beautiful women, married. I don’t know if it could be successful because they literally, they’ve gone to 117 rallies. They were here last night. We had a big one in your arena. That was a great one. And this is a great one except for all the people that have to stand outside. (24:44)But I will deploy the US Navy to impose a full fentanyl blockade on the waters of our region because a lot of it comes in by ship. The drug cartels are waging war in America, and we will wage and destroy. We will wage war on the drug cartels. They’re going to have… They don’t want this. They don’t want this. We did so well. We did so well with them, but now they make more money probably than almost anybody in our country. They’re making more money than the richest people that you read about, including me. They make more money than anybody in this country. Millions, billions and billions of dollars because our leaders are stupid. They allow them to make it. (25:27)They drop people off. They say walk across the river. They build platforms where they walk across the river. You’ve never seen anything like it. And it’s like a well-oiled machine. And it just doesn’t make sense. Who could want this? Who could allow this to happen to our beautiful country? And I’ll use Title 42, as I did, we had Title 42, to end the child trafficking crisis by returning all trafficked children to their families in their home countries immediately. (25:58)Nikki Haley, globalist, will never secure the border or stop the fentanyl that is killing thousands of New Hampshire citizens. And you know that. Nikki opposed my border wall. She fought me on the border wall. I said, “What the hell is that woman doing?” She fought me on the border wall. We’ll have to figure that one out. She condemned my strong border policy. She didn’t want to have the strong… There are a group of people that actually think open borders are okay. Those people, they’re generally not very smart. They’re Democrat. They’re definitely not Republicans. And then she stabbed the Republican Party in the back by siding with Barack Hussein Obama against the Trump travel ban. I have to be very careful when I say Obama’s name because the fake news, they say, “Did you ever realize that he gets the name Barack Obama confused with Biden?” They’re trying to say he’s cognitively impaired. And when I use it, because I figure Barack Hussein Obama is probably running things based on some of the people I see. So when I say Barack Hussein Obama is running things, they say, “Oh…” When I imitate him walking into a wall because he can’t find the stairs, they showed me… True. They show me sometimes. I’m like, we’ll, have fun. We got to have fun. If we don’t have a sense of humor with what’s happening to our country, we’re really screwed. (27:22)So I’ll show… They said, “Please…” I’ll show, he goes, “Huh?” He makes a speech that lasts for about two seconds. He goes, “Huh?” You ever notice how short his speeches are? They last for about two and a half minutes. You know why? Because it starts wearing off after a short period of time. He starts falling asleep. I never talked about him this way until I got indicted. It’s true. Once he indicted me, he did something that’s never been done before. He indicted a very popular… Look, I had tremendous popularity. We had a tremendous success. (27:58)He indicted, raided my house. Think of it. Think of it. Raided Mar-a-Lago. FBI agents raiding Mar-a-Lago. But think of it, he indicted a former President of the United States. Once that happened… Thank you. I agree. Thank you. But once that happened, it was like the gloves are off, because that’s the worst thing. It’s not even possible. Many presidents leave and there are things you can go after. And frankly, to be honest, that’s one of the reasons the Supreme Court is looking now at immunity. You have to have a guaranteed immunity for a president. Otherwise, a president’s not going to be able to function. They’re not going to move. Harry Truman would not have done Hiroshima, Nagasaki, probably ended the war, probably. I think so. But he wouldn’t have done it. So many things wouldn’t be done. (28:50)But think of it, Barack Obama shot missiles during his term, shot missiles into an area that killed a lot of people. They missed. Does that mean you indict him when he gets out of office? Well, she goes, “It does.” But you have to allow a president to do his job. They’ll make decisions. And it’s like the police. I say we have to give the police back their power. We’re not going to have any crime. But we protect… What we do, I mean, to me, it’s the best analogy. And our Democrat-run cities are dens of horrible crime right now. We’ve never seen anything like it. Washington, DC is, people are getting shot every single day, Washington, DC. We’re going to, by the way, take over the capital of our country. We’re going to fix it, clean it, and make it totally safe. We’re going to bring it back. It’s going to be better than it ever was before, but we’re going to do that with our city. (29:47)But it’s a little bit like the police. So you have a rogue cop. You know what a rogue cop is? Very seldom. But you have bad people. You have people no matter where, no matter what. In the church, you have some people that aren’t so good. But you have a rogue cop or a bad apple, whatever. And what they do is they make it so that you catch so that it can’t happen, and therefore everyone else is allowed to commit crimes, murders like at levels that we’ve never seen before. No, we’re going to have to do this immunity for the president. (30:19)If you have a president that doesn’t have immunity, he’s never going to be free to do anything because the opposing party will always indict him as soon as he leaves the White House. And you can’t let that happen. You can’t. You take away all of the power of the presidency. It’ll be a different country. So hopefully the decision will be a correct one, hopefully. Because you know what I find? And I just love to speak… You don’t mind if I speak my mind, do you? I figure I spend about 16% of my time on these suckers and the rest of it… He goes, “You don’t need it.” No. Thank God I don’t. Isn’t it nice to have a president that doesn’t need it? It doesn’t help him much because he can’t read it. But I spend a small amount of time on those because it’s frankly not as interesting. (31:08)But the immunity situation is so important. And one thing I’ve noticed, and I’ve noticed it very strongly, if Biden or Obama, Democrat-appointed judge, they go out of their way to hurt you. If a Republican appoints a judge like me, I appoint a judge, they go out of their way to show they’re not biased and that they can’t be bought, they can’t be this. You appoint somebody and they go out of their way to rule against you because they want to show that they are not in any way influenced by the fact that you appointed them. And you really do have two standards. It’s an incredible difference. And hopefully the Republican justices that we have and judges that we have will make correct decisions. And what I want is just fair and correct decisions. And the president has to have immunity. If they don’t have immunity, you’re not going to have a presidency much… You’re not going to have much of a country, frankly. It’ll be a terrible thing. It’ll be a disaster. (32:18)Biden and his thugs are desperate to stop us because they know that we are the only ones that can stop them. We’re the only ones, there’s nobody else. The greatest movement of all time. Okay? It’s true. And you know what I believe? I believe it’s over 90%. Do you ever see any of these guys, “Well, Donald Trump has a pretty good lock on the party. He’s got about 48% of the…” That’s not 48. MAGA is not 48. MAGA is like 95% of the party. I believe that. (32:57)That’s why I like the gentleman that I introduced you to, Lawrence, because Lawrence would be at a diner someplace and the studio would be talking to the anchors and they’d say, “Well, this one and that…” I can’t use the name Ron, so I’m not going to use Ron anymore, but let’s use some other candidates, right? “Nikki Haley is doing really well,” which is not true, doing really poorly. She’s losing by a lot. But Nikki Haley is this and that, and another one is this and that. And then, all right, take it away, Lawrence. And Lawrence is going, “I’m hearing you what you’re saying, but it’s not like that out here.” And then it’ll turn around, there’ll be like 200 people having breakfast and they’ll say, “Who likes Trump?” The place goes crazy. Who likes Haley? There’s no sound. Who likes another person? I won’t say it anymore, but there’d be no sound. So I thought it was cool. I actually thought it was cool. So having Lawrence was a lot of fun. It’s a lot of fun. (33:52)It’s a little streetwise intelligence there. It’s so cool. Listen, it’s just not working down here, I’ll tell you. But that’s what the truth is. That’s why they are weaponizing law enforcement at a level like never before. And it’s all high-level election interference. They’re interfering… Tomorrow, you know where I’m going to be? I don’t have to be there, but I want to be there because otherwise I can’t get a fair shake. I’m going to be in court. Democrat… It’s okay. It’s all right. So I go there tomorrow morning, leave early or tonight I think I’m leaving, late. I’ll leave late. Thank you very… She said, “I’m praying.” I could use your prayers. (34:36)No, but look, it is what it is. These are crooked people. These are corrupt people. These are corrupt people. But I’m going for a trial tomorrow, all done by political… Reid Hoffman is sponsoring this woman that said terrible things from 30 years ago. He took me… I owned three, four buildings around it. I owned the hotel next to it. I took her… A totally fabricated story. It’s all fabricated. And the lawyer is a political operative. He used to be very close to Cuomo. Do you ever hear of Cuomo? And a political operative. Then you find out they fund it. And we had a special session on funding when the judge found out that it was true that they’re funding it. He wouldn’t let it as evidence, but that’s okay. (35:19)So I go there, I’ll spend time there, and then I come back here. Who else would do this? I’ve been doing this now. And that’s exactly… Now here’s the thing, think of this. The day of your primary, right, the day of your primary, I have a case which is brought the day before Super Tuesday. Super Tuesday is a big deal. I have another case that’s brought just before Iowa, just before Iowa, and it’s a disgrace. I have eight of them, civil cases, all kinds of cases. This is equal opportunity. We have every kind of case you can have. (35:55)But think of it, they’re filed. Now I said, you heard about the judge said he could not go to the funeral of… My mother-in-law was an incredible person, a really good… The mother of the First Lady. And he said, “No, you can go to court or you can’t do…” Because I wanted a delay of one day so I could go to the funeral. He wouldn’t grant it. It’s not even believable. Even people, radical left Democrat, I do have some Democrat friends, I will say, they couldn’t even believe it. But this is the way we’re treated and they can’t get away with it. We can’t let them get away with it. (36:31)And I’m willing to talk about it. Other people aren’t, but I’m willing to talk about it. Like Fani from Atlanta, you saw that hoax. Now where was she and her boyfriend? Her boyfriend who got paid all of a sudden like close to a million dollars. You know what he got paid for? To get me. Very simple: to get me. You know where they were? They were in the DOJ and they’re in the White House numerous times getting instructions how to get Trump. This is weaponization. This is election interference. And if we allow this to continue, and it’s a two-way street because whoever the next president is, I won’t say who that will be, but whoever would be allowed to do that, and you will have a three-ring circus because everything that anybody does… It’s a shame. It’s a shame what’s happening. (37:23)But part of the scam was they spent a lot of time in the White House talking to various people. I’ll tell you who the people are, but we won’t bother, many of you never heard of the people, but we have some very bad, very dangerous people, communists, fascists. I don’t even think it’s Biden. I don’t think he knows what the hell’s going on. But we have some very dangerous people. We have people that are very close to a guy named Andrew Weissmann. He’s a sleazebag. And these are bad people. These are people that I believe hate the country and they’re very dangerous. (37:53)So tomorrow I go to that, I do the court thing, then I come back and I make a speech tomorrow night. And hopefully that should wrap it up because we are so far ahead, it’s incredible. It’s incredible. But because of what I say, Joe Biden, and this never happened in this country. This happens in Third World countries. It’s not that unusual, but it never happened here, certainly never like this, but never happened basically, Banana Republics, Third World countries, Joe Biden is a threat to democracy. That’s what it is. He’s a threat to democracy. (38:31)What he’s doing there is so bad, it’s a Pandora’s box. It can happen the other way. And when it happens the other way, it’s going to be a terrible thing too. And that’s not a threat. That’s just the way life is. That’s the way life works. It doesn’t have to be me. It could be anybody else. You can’t let this happen. This is only happening, in all fairness, because we’re leading tremendously in the polls. If I wasn’t running or if I wasn’t leading by a lot, they wouldn’t care. Honestly, if I was in seventh place… But think of it, I wonder, we have 11 or 12, including some Democrats, so you had a few Democrats, I don’t know what happened to them, they’re gonezo. Then you have this No Labels crap. (39:11)You know what No Labels is? Take somebody that failed in his own party and he runs it, No Labels. I don’t know what that deal is all about. Actually, the Democrats are more concerned about it than I am, but they’ll try fixing it so that a Republican runs, but No Labels is not a good thing. It’s not the way the country was supposed to be. But if I weren’t running or if I was in seventh place, none of this stuff would be happening. I’d have a wonderful life, but I’d be losing and that wouldn’t be a wonderful life. That wouldn’t be because we have to win. (39:41)Now, think of it, if I were in third, fourth, fifth, seventh place or wasn’t running, I wouldn’t have any of the stuff that we talk about. I wouldn’t be taking flights, but of course I wouldn’t be here either. We wouldn’t be here with people standing outside, not being able to get in. So the new Redfield Wilton poll, highly Donald Trump (40:00): We respect it. It has Trump at 72% and Haley at 9%. In Nevada, we’re polling at 100%. Think of it. And a lot of people don’t know, they never cover this, but the next state is not South Carolina, where if you saw almost every single elected official was here last night, endorsing me pretty hard. She’s the governor. They’re all endorsing me, which tells you something. But in Nevada, which is actually next week, and we have a hundred percent because it’s a caucus, and I was leading by so much that they all pulled out, that’s a nice feeling. Then we go to South Carolina where we’re leading by a lot. South Carolina respected pollster, Tony Fabrizio, is he a relation to Al Capone? Tony Fabrizio? Alfons Capone. I keep saying it. The guy got away with murder. Tony Fabrizio has it where Trump is at 64. Very good pollster by the way. And Haley is at 25. 64, 25. (41:10)We’re leading into New Hampshire and all over the state, we’re leading here and all of the polls. But with all of it, I could go over polls. I only give you good polls, okay? I never talk about bad polls, okay, you understand? But we don’t have any bad polls. We really don’t. And our best polls are against Biden, frankly. Our best polls. And the other people that were running and are running but are losing very substantially to Biden. So with all of the polls, I won’t go through any more of them, but they’re the same thing, with all of the polls that are out, we’re all set to win, but you have to do just one favor. No matter how big we’re winning, we want to win by big margins. It means so much to win by 70%, 50%, 40%. That’s what happened in Iowa. I was going through Iowa… Every time I got up. The first thing I say, “Don’t believe the polls, just go out and vote.” Because even if we’re going to win by a lot, we got to win by more. The more we win by, the bigger a signal we send for November. So that’s why, you have to do it. (42:12)We’re also dominating crooked Joe Biden in the general election. We’re up eight points over Biden in the brand new Rasmussen poll, and Haley is down, I think, six or something like that. No, she’s going to lose. She’s going to lose. No, they want her to run. They’re financing her, they’re spending all this money. They have a guy named Reed Hoffman, sloppy looking guy. Not attractive at all. I’m not allowed to say that. If it were a woman, I could definitely not say it, but about him, he’s a real slob, but he’s rich and he’s a Democrat operative. He’s giving them a lot of money. It’s terrible. Giving her. (42:49)The radical left Democrats rigged the presidential election in 2020, and we’re not going to let them rig the presidential election of 2024. We’re not going to let it happen. They’re going to try too, by the way. They’re going to try. That’s all they’re good at. That’s the only thing they’re good at is cheating. Every time the radical left Democrats, Marxists, communists, fascists indict me, I consider it a great badge of honor. I do actually, because I’m being indicted for you. I’m being indicted for you. These people are crazy. Never forget our enemies want to take away my freedom because I will never let them take away your freedom. That’s what it’s all about. They want to silence me because I will never let them silence you. And in the end, they’re not after me, which is actually true, hard to believe. They’re after you, I just happen to be standing in the way and I will always stand in the way. (43:52)So we’re delighted to have a few people tonight that I wanted to call out last night. We had states of people and it was really something. Tomorrow night, we’re doing a big deal too. This is big, but we have some of your local people that have done such a great job. The chairman of the Rochester Regional Republican Committee, Carlton Cooper. Where’s Carlton? Thank you, Carl. Looking good. Thank you, Carl. The vice chair of New Hampshire Republican Party, Ryan Terrell. Ryan, thank you. Thank you. A man that’s been with me right from the beginning, the early days, and boy does he love the veterans that we take care of our veterans. Lou Gargiulo. Where’s Lou? Thank you, Lou. What a great job. Did I do the best job for the vets, please, Lou? You know, it’s always dangerous if he said no, the whole evening is screwed, okay? But he won’t say it. I have total confidence. We’re doing a job, right? Lou Gargiulo (44:56): And what a job. Donald Trump (44:57): Thank you, Lou. Thank you. Thank you. We took care of the vets. Lou will tell you, the vets would have to wait two, three, four months sometimes to see a doctor. And I came in, I said, “If they can’t see a doctor within 24 hours, they go outside and they get a private doctor. We pay the bill.” And it’s interesting, we saved a lot of lives. People would become terminally ill as they waited. We saved a lot of lives and that was good. And the other thing is we were able to fire almost 9,000 people from the VA. You know what? That doesn’t sound good. We were able to fire people. You couldn’t do it because the civil… I had to get these things through Congress, by the way. This wasn’t just signing an executive order, right, Lou? But we had to fire. We fired close to 9,000 people working in the VA who were sadists, who were thieves, who were horrible people, who were beating up our veterans because it’s not prime time for the veterans. They wouldn’t have done it 30 years earlier. But these people are very sick and the people that were doing this, we had a lot of sadists, a lot of bad people. You couldn’t do a thing. (46:05)We had a group of people that sold, I think it was $400,000 in Arizona, I believe. 400,000, and before me, they were unable to fire them. They stole 400,000. They were caught. And you couldn’t fire them because of civil service. Anyway, we got a law passed, we got it passed in Congress, you think that was easy? They’d been trying to get those two things. That and the healthcare. They tried to get it done for a period of 52 years, one, and 59 years the other. And I got them both done and we fired 9,000 very bad people. (46:42)And another man who I think is here and he loves your state, and he worked. Nobody was closer to me. Corey Lewandowski. Is Corey here? Where’s Corey? Oh, look at him. Whoa. Come here. Come here. Say something. Corey Lewandowski (46:56): No. Donald Trump (46:56): Come on, Corey. Come on. Come on. Corey Lewandowski (47:00): Thank you, sir. Donald Trump (47:00): [inaudible 00:47:02]. Corey Lewandowski (47:03): Thank you everybody. How much do we love Donald Trump? On Tuesday, we deliver the biggest victory the state’s ever seen for the next president of the United States, Donald Trump. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Donald Trump (47:21): We love Corey. He’s great. I’ll tell you what, he loves this state. A lot of people, they want to move to other places. I said, “Would you have a move, Corey?” (47:30)“I love New Hampshire.” He’s not leaving. You’re not leaving, Corey. He will never leave. Audience (47:35): We love you! Donald Trump (47:36): He will never leave. And we all love New Hampshire. From the very first day that we take back the White House from crooked Joe Biden and his band of radical left lunatics, I believe we’re going to have the four greatest years in the history of our country. The next Trump economic boom will begin on November 5th, 2024. And we’re going to bring America together through a word called success. We had the most successful economy in history, then we got hit with COVID, and then by the time we gave it back, the stock market was even higher than it was just prior to COVID coming in. But we had the greatest economy in the history of our country. We were doubling up on China. We were taking in hundreds of billions of dollars in tariffs and taxes from China. No other president took in anything, nothing. They ran rough shot over us, but we had four incredible years. (48:38)Under my leadership, we built the greatest economy and we had a record low unemployment rates. We had the best unemployment rates ever. And they were real unemployment, not like you have today where nobody’s working and they consider it to be. It’s a whole different thing. Too complicated to explain, but it’s a whole different thing. You don’t have to know about it. But I’m talking about real, real good unemployment rates. And for African-Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, veterans, young people, women, people with degrees from the Great Wharton School of Finance, did you ever hear the Wharton School of Finance? From MIT, from the greatest schools, although MIT was hurt very badly, unfortunately by this person running it. Did you see that, the three people? How good did Elise Stefanik do? Right? Audience (49:27): We love her! Donald Trump (49:28): How about the head of Harvard? Do you think she was great? She was great. She was just great. No, Elise was fantastic. Elise has been here for four days. She’s going around. She’s amazing, right? Did you hear her speak? Audience (49:41): I love her. I love her. Donald Trump (49:41): Yeah, she’s great, isn’t she? We had gas prices at $1.87 cents a gallon, and there was no inflation. We had no inflation together. We ended the NAFTA disaster, the worst trade deal ever made in the history of our country and replaced it with a brand new and very successful USMCA, the best trade deal ever made. That deal is so good that Mexico and Canada, who really took advantage of us for years, they want to renegotiate the deal. And I sent word to the administration, I do like to send word. Sometimes they’ll ask me. I said, “Don’t ever even think about…” We suffered with NAFTA for years and now they want to renegotiate, which actually makes me feel quite good. (50:22)I took on communist China like no administration in history, bringing in hundreds… think of it, hundreds of billions of dollars pouring into our treasury when no other president had gotten literally not 10 cents, not 10 cents. For years and years, they took advantage of us. In fact, they had a minor stock market crash last week. The poll came out. Whenever a poll comes out that’s good for me, your stocks go up and other countries go down. Does that tell you something? They had a little market crash last week. (50:55)Oh, you know what it was? The night of Iowa when those incredible numbers, best numbers in the history of the caucus, the best in the history, think of that, that’s a long time. And China had a rough day. Let’s put that. Doesn’t that tell you something? Right? Doesn’t Joe, right? And I gave 28 billion to the farmers and to the New England lobstermen and fishermen. We gave you a lot of money because they took advantage of you, but they don’t with me, and I’ll fight for the fishermen like never before with four more years. What they’ve done to the fishermen, do you see where Biden wants to impose a fee on fishermen? $700 a day? I don’t know much about fishing other than I want to take care of them and I do. Nobody ever took care of them like I did. But $700 a fee? A daily fee of $700, that’s a lot of fish, right? (51:53)That’s a hell of a lot of fish. I don’t know how people can afford that, but that’s what they have. $700 a day. It’s a big deal going on right now. It’s in the court system going on right now. These people, what they want to do, how they want to destroy our country. I saw the other day, people coming in legally through our system, they frisk them. They rip off their clothes. They check everything that you can check. And yet if you walk over to the southern border, you can just walk into the country. The people that want to come into our country illegally or citizens, when a citizen is coming back into the country, they go through hell. When you’re a person that comes from Honduras or anywhere and you want to come in illegally, you just walk right the hell into our country. They were showing the difference. A citizen gets… it’s rough. Half of them think they’ll never get back in. (52:48)As soon as I get back in the White House, I will quickly end Joe Biden’s, inflation catastrophe. We will terminate the green new scam. We will terminate the green new scam. I don’t call it the Green New Deal. I call it the green new scam. How about this guy, Kerry? Finally, they got him the hell out. So China’s building a coal plant every week, massive coal plants. And Kerry goes over there to talk about, “How do we work it so that the environment…” (53:19)They said, “Well, we don’t think you should build any more plants.” (53:23)I said, “What about them? They don’t have to do anything.” It’s interesting with the environment, nobody knows more about the environment than me. I know a lot. But when those fumes go up from China, they blow right over our heads in three and a half days. When they dump their garbage in the oceans, the currents take them right into Los Angeles, thank you. Five days. You ever see? We take away tons and tons of garbage. We clean up their garbage. It’s amazing. They want us to be pollutant free, and yet their crap flies over our country every single day. We’re really a bunch of babies. We’re a bunch of babies. And what do you think about the mandate for the all electric cars? They don’t go far. Audience (54:08): Boo! Donald Trump (54:08): Or you buy a little apartment someplace and they put a new sink in and no water comes out of the sink, called restrictors. You turn on the water, no water comes out. You want to wash your hands, no water. Let’s drop, drop, drop. Because you’re not allowed to. Even in areas that have so much water, they don’t know what they’re doing with it. Right? In California, they send millions of gallons of water out into the Pacific before it reaches the farm belt, the farm area, because they’re trying to protect a tiny little fish that nobody ever heard of before. And then they want to put restrictions if you live in Bel Air and pay a fortune or Beverly Hills that you can’t use more than 27 gallons a day. Can you believe it? You have a house that’s costing tens of millions of dollars, but you can’t use your water. It’s so crazy. And we have so much water. In fact, they have the canals that go right into Los Angeles, go right past the farms and they turn it off. They have a massive valve. (55:06)I was working with Devin Nunes, who’s great. Former congressman. He’s great. He’s in charge of Truth Social, which is hot. It’s my voice. But I said, “Why are all these areas so barren? And then you have a little tiny, beautiful little green spot right in the middle?” (55:25)They said, “They don’t give us any water.” (55:27)I said, “But you must have a horrible drought.” (55:28)“We don’t have a drought.” You have to see this. They have the water. Millions of barrels of water, gallons of water, millions going into the Pacific Ocean before it gets to these areas. If they let it come down to the farms… And I was working with Gavin Newsom on that, and I was ready to get it. And then we got hit with the COVID thing, and we had other things to do. But there’s so many things that we can do to make this country so much. Just the money that we’re talking about. That land is very fertile land, but it’s got no water. They took it away. It comes down from Canada, comes down from the Pacific Northwest, comes all the way down, all the way down. It’s a beautiful thing to see. And then it goes. (56:09)I say, “What the hell happened? You got tons of water.” And then you look a mile down the way, and there’s nothing is bone dry. All they have to do is turn that valve in the different direction. They don’t want to do it. They’re sorry, do they want destroy our country? Is this what is going on? So we’re going to be drilling and we’re going to be doing all of those things. And we’ll quickly cut your… And I’m telling you, I’m giving you this as a pledge, from the first day we take office, one year, your prices in New Hampshire will be one half. We have so much energy. One half. Now, who else can do that? (56:56)And the fake news will say, “He bribed the people of New Hampshire.” Yeah. You know what I bribed you with? You know what I bribed you with? Common sense. That’s what I bribed you. “He bribed the people.” No, your energy prices will be 50%, and that’s not even hard to do. You can do better than that, but you will have that done within one year. So whatever you’re paying mark it down because you’re going to have it done within one year. While Biden is pushing the largest tax hike in American history, you know he’s trying to do that. I will make the Trump tax cuts, which were the biggest in history, permanent. They expire in a year, and I’ll make them permanent. (57:33)Now we have to get a little help from these characters, and I’ll once again cut a record number of job killing regulations. So in four years, I cut more regulations… I went to the big businessmen with a group of some of the biggest business… running the big companies, the big public companies. I said, “If you had your choice, would you rather have the tax cuts or would you rather have the regulation cuts?” Every single one of them said the regulation cuts. They weren’t able to do anything. They couldn’t do anything. If they had land, they couldn’t touch it. They couldn’t do anything. They said every single one, there are probably 40 of them, 42, big meeting, and they all said the regulation cuts were actually more important than the tax cuts. But the tax cuts, a lot of the middle income folks would say the tax cuts would be more important, but probably that’s why we had the great employment numbers. (58:25)Before I arrived at the Oval Office, shortly after we win the presidency, we have to win because we’re not going to have a country if we don’t- Audience (58:30): We’re going to win! Donald Trump (58:31): … I will have the horrible war between Russia and Ukraine settled before I even take office. Got to be settled. It never would’ve happened, and even the Democrats admit that if Trump were president, that Putin would’ve listened to me a hundred percent. It was the apple of his eye. I got along with him very well. It was the apple of his eye, but it never would’ve happened. I told him, I said, “Vladimir, don’t do it because here’s what’s going to happen.” (59:01)And he said, “No way.” (59:02)I said, “Way. Way, way, way.” But it wouldn’t have happened, but it also wouldn’t have happened For another reason. I had a gallon, I mean a barrel, we were at about 42, 43, 45. We actually had it down to 28. And these companies were going to go out of business. We had to lift it. We actually had to lift it, but at $40, he didn’t have the money to prosecute the war. At a hundred dollars a barrel, he had so much money, he made a fortune on that war. And this guy is the guy that lifted the price up. So he wants to make a deal to stop the war, but he’s making it impossible because Putin’s making an absolute fortune. These are not chess players. They’re not checker players either. These are horrible, horrible negotiators or there’s something else going on that we just don’t know about. There’s something going on. I don’t know if you saw it. Donald Trump (01:00:00): Did you see that China is paying the Penn Center hundreds of millions of dollars? The Biden Penn Center. Biden couldn’t get into Penn. (01:00:11)No, he’s got the Penn Center. Did you see it came out today? The fake news could tell you about it. They paid like a hundred-and-some-odd million dollars. They paid over a hundred million dollars, and they pay Biden a lot of money to be the chairman, but he hasn’t been there for ever. (01:00:27)The whole thing, this country is so corrupt. Then they try with Hunter, they try and act like, “Oh, it’s… Well, no, I want $500,000 a painting.” It’s interesting. They called me, they want me to do a painting for the White House. You have these beautiful paintings of presidents and they want me to do a painting. The last thing on my mind, we got to take it back and save our country. (01:00:51)But I meet with these artists, and they give you like 25 artists, and you meet with them a little bit and they’re unbelievably talented people. They get a hell of a lot less than $500,000. I could make a deal for peanuts. They’re really talented people. They’re on a list of great artists because they want certain people doing… It’s the White House, and Biden gets $500,000 a painting. The one guy bought a lot of them, right? He bought a lot of them. He was buying the place out. (01:01:21)Could you imagine if Don Jr. got $500,000 a painting that he did in school. It’s all modern. Because modern, you take a can of paint, throw it, take a few, throw it. Then you say, “$500,000.” You could do one of those paintings in about 12 seconds. You have five cans. Boom, boom, boom. Done. Next. Give me $500,000. No, it’s so corrupt. When that came out, I said, “There’s one they won’t get away with.” They got away with it. I guess. I don’t know. Did they get away with it? I don’t know. Maybe not. (01:01:53)We will restore peace through strength. That’s what we did. We had no wars. We had no wars. I’m the only candidate who can make this promise to you that I will prevent World War III. I know them all, we’re not going to have World War III. We are so close to World War III, you have no idea. When I looked at those bombs a few days ago starting to drop all over the Middle East. I say, Middle East, here we come again. I got you out and got rid of ISIS. We’ll build an iron dome over our country, the state-of-the-Art missile defense shield, and it’s all made in the USA. We have them for Israel, we don’t have them for ourselves. I think it’s time that we have one. Does that make sense? (01:02:37)You know what? It’s all great jobs. We’re going to make it here, but we’re going to have an iron dome so that if somebody decides to take some shots, this stuff is really effective. Ronald Reagan wanted to do it. I think he called it Star Wars. The problem was there was no technology. It was a great idea, but… Today we have unbelievable technology. I saw it. I saw missiles going into Saudi, Arabia, and I saw soldiers with extremely high IQs, not strong physically, but strong mentally. They go missile, missile, missile. They very calmly walk to a desk, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. The things traveling like 2,500 miles an hour and they’re cool as a cucumber. Bing, bing, bing. Missile launch, missile launch, bing, boom. It’s the most unbelievable thing. (01:03:27)But we don’t have it here, many times, I will tell you, Saudi Arabia. I saved Saudi Arabia a lot where missiles were shot from Yemen, from other places too, and these guys were unbelievable. They have actually tapes of it in action and they’re cool as a cucumber. You have, I think, 17 seconds to get this thing off. You don’t have a lot of time. The thing’s moving pretty quick. They just sit back and it’s like taking candy from a baby. It’s a genius. It’s incredible. We have the technology now. We’re going to use it for ourselves. (01:04:02)I will also defend our great veterans as nobody else has ever defended them, and I will ask Congress to build the full-service VA hospital that New Hampshire veterans so dearly deserve. You’re the only state that doesn’t have a VA hospital full-service. Happened there, Al? They don’t have it. What the hell’s going on? They’re the only state that don’t have a full-service VA hospital. We’re going to build one. We’re going to build it. (01:04:39)I will direct a completely overhauled DOJ to investigate every radical out-of-control prosecutor in America for their illegal, racist and reverse enforcement of the law. The prosecutors are out of control, especially if you happen to be a Republican. They are out of control. It’s become such a corrupt system. (01:05:02)I’m also going to indemnify all police officers and law enforcement officials throughout the United States to protect them from being destroyed by the radical left for taking strong action against crime. If you stop somebody from robbing the store, they want to destroy your life. Why were you so tough? Why were you so bad? You ever seen anything where they walk out of the stores with televisions and everything? The police are told, “Don’t do anything,” because they get sued. We’re going to indemnify all police officers and some precincts, depending on where they are. We’re going to rebuild our cities into beacons of hope, safety and beauty better than ever before. Our cities are falling apart. They’re all Democrat-run. They’re falling apart and they’re so crime-ridden. You can’t walk down the street without getting shot. That includes our capital, by the way, our United States capital. People can’t go there anymore. It’s so dangerous. You walk across the street to a park, which is, by the way, loaded up with tents, homeless tents. I stopped that. (01:06:10)When I was president, if I saw two or three tents forming, I said immediately remove them. But then when you have 1000 tents, it’s a much tougher thing to do. But it was in relatively good shape. It was in very good shape. But you need new roads, you need new medians. They have the medians falling down, that metal garbage that they sell, like this. It looks like they put it in. The next day, I don’t know, the sun heats it up and it just disintegrates. It is the worst crap. Whoever made that stuff got away with a lot of money. They have them all over the place, but they’re falling apart. They always fall apart. They’re laying down. But these are very old and they’re half-laying on the road. (01:06:45)You’re driving into the White House or you’re driving in wherever you have a meeting. You know where I was going? To court because it was a Biden court. I call it a Biden court. I was going in to defend myself against this crooked president that we have. So I’m going into a court in Washington DC where I can’t get a fair trial, by the way, but that’s all right. It’ll work out because things work out. Things work out. But look, they said, “Sir, I hope you don’t get a certain judge because it would be impossible to win.” I got that judge. I wonder how that happened. There’s many, many judges. They say, “Well, the one you just can’t get, it’s so unfair.” I got that judge, but don’t worry about me, I’m taking care of you. Don’t worry. (01:07:31)But I was driving in and you’re driving over garbage. Literally, can you imagine? You’re from a country you’re the head of, you’re the prime minister, you’re the president, of some beautiful country, terrible country, and you’re driving in over garbage. There’s cartons of paper, there’s beer cans all over the road, and they’ve been there for a long time. You can tell they’ve been there for a long time. It’s so sad to see. That’s our capital. You can’t walk across the street, you can’t walk outside. Three people were shot last week. They’re being shot all the time and dying in many cases. They come in from Nebraska, they come in from nice beautiful places like your great state. They come into the capital. They come in from New Hampshire and they come and they go and they want to see our great Washington DC and they go away, say, wow, — if they go away at all. But it’s very dangerous because people are getting shot all the time. I want the federal government to take over our capital, run it properly, and be very strong on crime, rebuild it, and get rid of the slum areas. We’re going to get rid of the slum areas and make them parks or something. (01:08:41)On day one, I will sign a new executive order to cut federal funding for any school pushing critical race theory, transgender insanity, and other inappropriate racial, sexual or political content onto the lives of our children. I will not give one penny to any school that has a vaccine mandate or a mask mandate. I always say that I can’t believe I have to say this, but I have to say this, 10 years ago, 15 years, this would be not even thinkable. I will keep men out of women’s sports. Can you believe it? The new thing, I don’t know if you heard, I heard it yesterday, where they want women to be able to fight men. In other words, like in UFC or boxing, they want women to fight. By the way, they know how that works out because in gyms they’re all practicing, working out together. They know that doesn’t work out too well. But can you imagine? They want women to fight men. This is sick. It’s just crazy what’s going on. The weightlifting is something to behold. A record that stood for 18 years gets broken by a 157 pounds. They put in a quarter of an ounce and a quarter of an ounce and the women can’t do it. I can’t do it. They put in 150 pounds and the guy lifts it like it’s nothing. The whole thing is crazy. It’s crazy. There are people I think they’re serious about… I don’t understand. I think you always like to understand where the other side’s coming from, but a lot of this stuff is not understandable. Again, we’re the party of common sense. (01:10:32)I will fully uphold the Second Amendment. I will never allow the creation of a central bank digital currency where they can rob your money. We will protect innocent life and we will restore free speech, which we don’t have. I will secure our elections. Our goal will be one-day voting with paper ballots and voter ID. But until then, Republicans must win. We have to win on Tuesday. We have to win and we have to win by a big resounding number. It’s got to be a big, big, beautiful number. Vivek just came with us, and now Ron just came with us. They’re all coming with us. They’re all coming. (01:11:26)If you took the 10 worst presidents in the history… And by the way, Senator Tim Scott, what a good guy. He came with us from the same state, South Carolina, as Nikki. They had her. What do you think, Senator Scott? She appointed him and he went with me. I said, “Why?” I said, “She must be bad. She must be bad.” No, that was a beautiful endorsement two nights ago. If you took the 10 worst presidents in the history of the United States and added them up, they would not have done near the destruction to our country as crooked Joe Biden and the Biden administration have done. Nobody ever has done damage to our country like this. So if you want to save America, then this Tuesday, January 23rd, day after tomorrow, very simple, you must vote for Trump. Have to vote for Trump. (01:12:25)So in conclusion, it’s been great to be with you, really good. You’re great people. You built this country. You really did. You really did. I said it to Iowa, you built this country, so many great states, great people, the great states, from Manchester to Meredith, from Plymouth to Portsmouth, from Raymond to Rochester, you inherit the legacy of red-blooded New Hampshire patriots who lived by the very simple but immortal motto, live free or die. Have you heard of it? Have you heard of it? (01:13:06)We stand on the shoulders of American heroes who crossed the oceans, settled the continent, tamed the wilderness, laid down the railroads, raised up those great skyscrapers, won two world wars. We won world wars out of forts. Fort Benning, fort this, fort that, many forts. They changed the name. We won wars out of these forts. They changed the name. They changed the name of the forts. A lot of people aren’t too happy about that. Defeated… He said, “Unacceptable.” Yeah, no, they changed the name of a lot of our forts. We won two world wars out of a lot of these forts and they changed the name. It’s unbelievable. Defeated fascism and communism and made America the single greatest nation in the history of the world. You did it. But now we are a nation in decline. We are a failing nation. We are a nation that has lost its confidence, its willpower, and it’s lost its strength. We are a nation that has quite simply lost its way, but we are not going to allow this horror to continue. Three years ago, we were a great nation and we will soon be a great nation again, and it will happen fast. It was hardworking patriots like you who built this country and it is hardworking patriots like you who are going to save our country. We will fight for America like no one has ever fought before. 2024 is our final battle. With you at my side, we will demolish the deep state, we will expel the warmongers. We will expel them. People that want to go and have wars all the time. Nikki is one of them. She’s one of them. Let’s kill people all over the place and let’s make a lot of money for those people that make the messes. (01:15:13)A couple of weeks ago I saw where they said we’re very low on ammunition. Number one, that’s because we’re giving it all away to people, to countries. We’re giving it away. We’re low on ammunition. If that were true, you don’t say it. Can you imagine President Xi of China, Putin of Russia saying, they just announced they’re low on ammunition. That’s not the kind of thing you want to say. It’s very stupid to be in that position anyway. (01:15:41)We will drive out the globalists. We will cast out the communists, Marxists and fascists. We will throw off the sick political class that truly hates our country. We will route the fake news media. We will evict crooked Joe Biden from the White House. On election day 2024, we will evict this crooked, terrible president from the White House. (01:16:10)The great silent majority is rising like never before. Under our leadership, the forgotten man and woman will be forgotten no longer. Four years you had it. You were not forgotten just three years ago. For four years, you were not forgotten. We are one movement, one people, one family, and one glorious nation under God. Together we will make America powerful again. We will make America wealthy again. 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jan donald trump hold campaign event rochester new hampshire read transcript donald trump thank thank wow crowd get lot people stand outside like let place audience donald trump want thank fire department actually great get lot people like poll right like poll want special hello new hampshire important place remember come win win point rest history go east coast midwest go beautiful thing think look well think right high level enthusiasm anybody see inaudible reason reason bad destroy country bad president history country destroy destroy country tell brilliant interviewer right lawrence come second come give killer interview say happy person biden jimmy carter jimmy carter administration brilliant comparison begin like time congratulate ron desantis course terrific person get know wife casey having run great campaign president run good campaign tell easy think easy stuff right easy know leave campaign trail today pm gracious endorse appreciate ron appreciate look forward work ron everybody defeat crooked joe biden country great peril great peril want thank ron congratulate good job tough situation tough thing thrilled home firstinthenation primary know nation keep unlike biden keep nation right keep democrats abandon abandon place know abandon right huh iowa iowa think go kind result week iowa iowa great say sir little bit cold tonight say zero say like degree say like warm iowa great great country great want know truth need help battle taking corrupt system corrupt system corrupt element practically corrupt sad bring attention important bring attention way fix go fix washington swamp power away voice tuesday believe people new hampshire go speak loud clear loud vote go send message straight crook joe biden radical left thug weaponize doj fake news medium line know exactly go send signal come november everybody believe poll assume instead lot pretend wake husband harry go vote feel good feel like care feel good go vote harry neighbor family everybody get vote win big margin let know movement great movement history politic country maybe love maga america great think biden maga threat know maga america know say maga joe know america great america great joe america america day go win new hampshire go defeat crooked joe biden go fact america great vote primary personal chance score ultimate victory liar cheater fraud try destroy america tuesday january patriot patriot nonpatriotic person yeah vote let vote let vote patriot know turn want set record go set record weather go okay meaning like degree actually weather go pretty good information need nhdonaldjtrump hear com donaldjtrumpcom know new hampshire nikki haley unholy alliance rinos trumper americans prosperity hear americans prosperity add word essentially go americans china prosperity good good head bad people globalist radical leave communist liberal biden supporter vote republican party use voting democrat vote kind governor state allow democrats democrats get sign peanut compare number get sign october think democrats vote republican primary kind governor allow overrated governor people think good governor end get rid pretty quick people nikki proamnesty like prochina pro open border prowar pro deep state probiden people vote iowa go vote biden word democrat vote vote think go vote biden choice pick want movement proborder projobs profreedom proamerica proamerica party think important party common sense people oh conservative care like matter party common sense want border want low taxis want strong military want drill baby drill want drill baby drill bring energy cost state new hampshire high energy cost entire country know go bring energy cost year easy easy way long time sense governor thing governor get big nikki guy make sense sense hear run president run gut announce run trend asa hutchinson guy run zero year month ago hit say like break news hit following month zero month zero arrow pointing left meaning guy run like year governor well fairness asa governor gut announce run president announce want announce pretend like happen wise radical left democrats support nikki simple reason know easy beat come poll day ago way biden way biden way unelectable nikki haley want change work class think nice work class want national sale tax purchase think good forget middle class poor people pay buy raise want social security retirement age extra year talk certain life cycle labor day die collect penny benefit entitle go play social security go play medicare remember know politician life little great life go great hell get indict alphonse capone believe al capone dinner young lady matter equal opportunity dinner like kill dead guy get indict believe election rig let tell proof need lucky live past retirement age guess nikki haley plan want gut medicare paul ryan scheme know paul ryan rino like ultimate rino destroy go board company paul ryan speaker house good lead democrat ad ad granny cliff take policy let ad push granny cliff wheelchair good ad paul ryan vote campaign tuesday declare republican party go day weak establishment candidate candidate preach cut medicare social security home spend trillion trillion dollar dumb endless war end year year defeat isis month remember suppose year month incredible military people television military people miss day secretary defense people miss run war couple day ago new war go middle east drop bomb place telephone tough know guy war middle east end end secretary defense miss find run war laptop hospital bed laptop stomach know exactly stomach run war good group run horrible embarrassing moment country history afghanistan lose soldier lose stuff happen get point good let bagram air force base hour away china make nuclear weapon good leave know occupy bagram right audience china donald trump china occupy lose soldier speaker inaudible china donald trump leave call leave american hostage audience boo usa usa usa usa usa usa usa usa usa donald trump okay look like nice person go miss happen happen time misguide people misguided people go day globalist rino promise border security election remember border security safe border history country unsafe border history world bidding wall street want open border election wait happen go win election go great border go energy go want lose candidate put america vote nikki haley want president put america successfully year read stat president start war finish war like isis remember run use nickname anymore give biden hillary beautiful beautiful hillary remember get say personality start war finish war take people surprising win support soon take oath office step united states capitol go different country soon lift hand bible president seal border shut invasion million million people come country start energy revolution anybody go resume drill look look country believable especially look border thing like afghanistan surrender pure surrender horrible believe low moment history country way long respect man sentence negotiate president xi china putin negotiate country danger tell right talk world war iii type danger situation like reason stock market high think go win election reason come crash terminate diversity equity inclusion program entire federal government instruct head ice border patrol begin large deportation program american history sustainable year ago secure border history build mile border wall remember mexico remember mexico give soldier free charge say say say say say worry say send negotiator good negotiator handsome guy nice guy beautiful look like cary grant say want soldier laugh say ohohoh go promise go go yes say want catch release mexico united states catch release release united states see murder somebody catch release say want mexico want thing give list thing tom homan give list brandon judd border patrol take list guy get single say woman state department say sir good lousy negotiator say sir stuff say call list go mexico say come people president great relationship actually great want negotiate want good come representative guy lead highly respected guy say go thing say actually think kid person state department say sir ask thing year say say go smile go want soldier want protection safe border history country mexico give thousand thousand soldier politically correct soldier donald trump like cross border soldier pancho villa hear pancho villa thing bullet go give soldier say go say want sign document document say sign right friday say monday morning seven come mexico united states go tariff month go go go guy say sir kid think kid say kid kid actually kid say go say sir like minute take minute call president mexico come minute sir great honor thing great honor great honor policy remain mexico total genius remain mexico add hundred thousand people tijuana lovely place point good place family little trip rough stuff know country right great system biden instead go beach destroy go beach sleep go beach consultant think look good bathing suit hard time foot sand hard time lifting know chair ounce right child lift grandfather sleep lift secret service job great biden usa turn dump ground disrespect think people come part world part unknown speaking language people hear dump country come mental institution come jail prison terrorist come level see know think fake news agree post week ago say believe good true year terrorist come country terror ban different thing terrorist actually say check check deface nation show think lady gentleman donald trump deface nation bad news bad bad know want open border want high interest rate high taxis bad military thing able explain want border border fair election country border fair election right day terminate open border policy crooked joe biden biden administration stop deadly drug poison people lose opinion year probably right joe probably row joe follow place rid rid row joe fantastic lot money matter row joe actually famous pretty cool right right thank everybody north carolina north carolina group woman go event beautiful woman marry know successful literally go rally night big arena great great people stand outside deploy navy impose fentanyl blockade water region lot come ship drug cartel wage war america wage destroy wage war drug cartel go want want money probably anybody country make money rich people read include money anybody country million billion billion dollar leader stupid allow drop people walk river build platform walk river see like like welloile machine sense want allow happen beautiful country use title title end child traffic crisis return traffic child family home country immediately haley globalist secure border stop fentanyl kill thousand new hampshire citizen know nikki oppose border wall fight border wall say hell woman fight border wall figure condemn strong border policy want strong group people actually think open border okay people generally smart democrat definitely republicans stab republican party side barack hussein obama trump travel ban careful obama fake news realize get barack obama confuse biden try cognitively impaired use figure barack hussein obama probably run thing base people barack hussein obama run thing oh imitate walk wall find stair show true like fun get fun sense humor happen country screw say go huh make speech last second go huh notice short speech half minute know start wear short period time start fall asleep talk way get indict true indict indict popular look tremendous popularity tremendous success indict raid house think think raid maralago fbi agent raid maralago think indict president united states happen thank agree thank happen like glove bad thing possible president leave thing frankly honest reason supreme court look immunity guarantee immunity president president go able function go harry truman hiroshima nagasaki probably end war probably think thing think barack obama shoot missile term shoot missile area kill lot people miss mean indict get office go allow president job decision like police police power go crime protect mean good analogy democratrun city dens horrible crime right see like washington dc people getting shoot single day washington dc go way capital country go fix clean totally safe go bring go well go city little bit like police rogue cop know rogue cop seldom bad people people matter matter church people good rogue cop bad apple catch happen allow commit crime murder like level see go immunity president president immunity go free oppose party indict soon leave white house let happen away power presidency different country hopefully decision correct hopefully know find love speak mind speak mind figure spend time sucker rest go need thank god nice president need help read spend small time frankly interesting immunity situation important thing notice notice strongly biden obama democratappointe judge way hurt republican appoint judge like appoint judge way biased buy appoint somebody way rule want way influence fact appoint standard incredible difference hopefully republican justice judge correct decision want fair correct decision president immunity immunity go presidency go country frankly terrible thing disaster thug desperate stop know one stop one great movement time okay true know believe believe guy donald trump pretty good lock party get maga maga like party believe like gentleman introduce lawrence lawrence diner someplace studio talk anchor use ron go use ron anymore let use candidate right nikki haley true poorly lose lot nikki haley right away lawrence lawrence go hear say like turn like people have breakfast like trump place go crazy like haley sound like person will anymore sound think cool actually think cool have lawrence lot fun lot fun little streetwise intelligence cool listen work tell truth weaponize law enforcement level like highlevel election interference interfere tomorrow know go want fair shake go court democrat okay right tomorrow morning leave early tonight think leave late leave late thank say pray use prayer look crooked people corrupt people corrupt people go trial tomorrow political reid hoffman sponsor woman say terrible thing year ago take own building own hotel take totally fabricate story fabricate lawyer political operative close cuomo hear cuomo political operative find fund special session funding judge find true fund let evidence okay spend time come exactly thing think day primary right day primary case bring day super tuesday super tuesday big deal case bring iowa iowa disgrace civil case kind case equal opportunity kind case think file say hear judge say funeral motherinlaw incredible person good mother lady say court want delay day funeral grant believable people radical left democrat democrat friend believe way treat away let away willing talk people willing talk like fani atlanta see hoax boyfriend boyfriend get pay sudden like close million dollar know get pay simple know doj white house numerous time get instruction trump weaponization election interference allow continue twoway street president will allow threere circus anybody shame shame happen scam spend lot time white house talk people tell people will bother hear people bad dangerous people communist fascist think biden think know hell go dangerous people people close guy name andrew weissmann sleazebag bad people people believe hate country dangerous tomorrow court thing come speech tomorrow night hopefully wrap far ahead incredible incredible joe biden happen country happen world country unusual happen certainly like happen basically banana republic world country joe biden threat democracy threat democracy bad pandora box happen way happen way go terrible thing threat way life way life work anybody let happen happen fairness lead tremendously poll run lead lot care honestly seventh place think wonder include democrats democrat know happen gonezo label crap know label somebody fail party run label know deal actually democrats concerned try fix republican run label good thing way country suppose run seventh place stuff happen wonderful life lose wonderful life win think fourth fifth seventh place run stuff talk take flight course people stand outside able new redfield wilton poll highly donald trump respect trump haley nevada poll think lot people know cover state south carolina see single elect official night endorse pretty hard governor endorse tell nevada actually week percent caucus lead pull nice feeling south carolina lead lot south carolina respected pollster tony fabrizio relation al capone tony fabrizio alfon capone say guy get away murder tony fabrizio trump good pollster way haley lead new hampshire state lead poll poll good poll okay talk bad poll okay understand bad poll good poll biden frankly good poll people run run lose substantially biden poll will thing poll set win favor matter big win want win big margin mean win happen iowa go iowa time get thing believe poll vote go win lot get win win big signal send november dominate crooked joe biden general election point biden brand new rasmussen poll haley think like go lose go lose want run finance spend money guy name reed hoffman sloppy look guy attractive allow woman definitely real slob rich democrat operative give lot money terrible give radical left democrats rig presidential election go let rig presidential election go let happen go try way go try good thing good cheat time radical left democrats marxist communists fascist indict consider great badge honor actually indict indict people crazy forget enemy want away freedom let away freedom want silence let silence end actually true hard believe happen stand way stand way delighted people tonight want night state people tomorrow night big deal big local people great job chairman rochester regional republican committee carlton cooper carlton thank carl look good thank carl vice chair new hampshire republican party ryan terrell ryan thank thank man right beginning early day boy love veteran care veteran lou gargiulo lou thank lou great job good job vet lou know dangerous say evening screw okay will total confidence job right lou gargiulo job donald trump thank lou thank thank take care vet lou tell vet wait month doctor come say doctor hour outside private doctor pay bill interesting save lot life people terminally ill wait save lot life good thing able fire people va know sound good able fire people civil thing congress way sign executive order right lou fire fire close people work va sadist thief horrible people beat veteran prime time veteran year early people sick people lot sadist lot bad people thing group people sell think arizona believe unable fire steal catch fire civil service get law pass get pass congress think easy try thing healthcare try period year year get fire bad people man think love state work close corey lewandowski corey corey oh look whoa come come corey lewandowski donald trump come corey come come corey lewandowski thank sir donald trump inaudible corey lewandowski thank everybody love donald trump tuesday deliver big victory state see president united states donald trump thank sir thank donald trump love corey great tell love state lot people want place say corey love new hampshire leave leave corey leave audience love donald trump leave love new hampshire day white house crooked joe biden band radical left lunatic believe go great year history country trump economic boom begin november go bring america word call success successful economy history get hit covid time give stock market high prior covid come great economy history country double china take hundred billion dollar tariff taxis china president take run rough shoot incredible year leadership build great economy record low unemployment rate good unemployment rate real unemployment like today work consider different thing complicated explain different thing know talk real real good unemployment rate africanamericans hispanic americans asian americans veteran young people woman people degree great wharton school finance hear wharton school finance mit great school mit hurt badly unfortunately person run people good elise stefanik right audience love donald trump head harvard think great great great elise fantastic elise day go amazing right hear speak audience love love donald trump yeah great gas price cent gallon inflation inflation end nafta disaster bad trade deal history country replace brand new successful usmca good trade deal deal good mexico canada take advantage year want renegotiate deal send word administration like send word ask say think suffer nafta year want renegotiate actually make feel good take communist china like administration history bring hundred think hundred billion dollar pour treasury president get literally cent cent year year take advantage fact minor stock market crash week poll come poll come good stock country tell little market crash week know night iowa incredible number good number history caucus good history think long time china rough day let tell right joe right give billion farmer new england lobsterman fisherman give lot money take advantage fight fisherman like year fisherman biden want impose fee fisherman day know fishing want care take care like fee daily fee lot fish right hell lot fish know people afford day big deal go right court system go right people want want destroy country see day people come legally system frisk rip clothe check check walk southern border walk country people want come country illegally citizen citizen come country hell person come honduras want come illegally walk right hell country show difference citizen get rough half think soon white house quickly end joe biden inflation catastrophe terminate green new scam terminate green new scam green new deal green new scam guy kerry finally get hell china build coal plant week massive coal plant kerry go talk work environment say think build plant say interesting environment know environment know lot fume china blow right head half day dump garbage ocean current right los angeles thank day away ton ton garbage clean garbage amazing want pollutant free crap fly country single day bunch baby bunch baby think mandate electric car far audience boo donald trump buy little apartment someplace new sink water come sink call restrictor turn water water come want wash hand water let drop drop drop allow area water know right california send million gallon water pacific reach farm belt farm area try protect tiny little fish hear want restriction live bel air pay fortune beverly hill use gallon day believe house cost ten million dollar use water crazy water fact canal right los angeles right past farm turn massive valve work devin nune great congressman great charge truth social hot voice say area barren little tiny beautiful little green spot right middle say water say horrible drought drought water million barrel water gallon water million go pacific ocean get area let come farm work gavin newsom ready get hit covid thing thing thing country money talk land fertile land get water take away come canada come pacific northwest come way way beautiful thing go hell happen get ton water look mile way bone dry turn valve different direction want sorry want destroy country go go drill go thing quickly cut tell give pledge day office year price new hampshire half energy half fake news bribe people new hampshire yeah know bribe know bribe common sense bribe bribe people energy price hard well year pay mark go year biden push large tax hike american history know try trump tax cut big history permanent expire year permanent little help character cut record number job kill regulation year cut regulation go big businessman group big business run big company big public company say choice tax cut regulation cut single say regulation cut able land touch say single probably big meeting say regulation cut actually important tax cut tax cut lot middle income folk tax cut important probably great employment number arrive oval office shortly win presidency win go country audience go win donald trump horrible war russia ukraine settle office get settle happen democrats admit trump president putin listen percent apple eye get apple eye happen tell say vladimir go happen say way say way way way way happen happen reason gallon mean barrel actually company go business lift actually lift money prosecute war dollar barrel money fortune war guy guy lift price want deal stop war make impossible putin make absolute fortune chess player checker player horrible horrible negotiator go know go know see donald trump china pay penn center hundred million dollar biden penn center biden penn get penn center come today fake news tell pay like hundredandsomeodd million dollar pay million dollar pay biden lot money chairman thing country corrupt try hunter try act like oh want painting interesting call want painting white house beautiful painting president want painting thing mind get save country meet artist like artist meet little bit unbelievably talented people hell lot deal peanut talented people list great artist want certain people white house biden get painting guy buy lot right buy lot buy place imagine don jr get painting school modern modern paint throw throw painting second can boom boom boom corrupt come say will away get away guess know away know maybe restore peace strength war war candidate promise prevent world war iii know go world war iii close world war iii idea look bomb day ago start drop middle east middle east come get get rid isis build iron dome country stateoftheart missile defense shield usa israel think time sense know great job go go iron dome somebody decide shot stuff effective ronald reagan want think call star war problem technology great idea today unbelievable technology see see missile go saudi arabia see soldier extremely high iqs strong physically strong mentally missile missile missile calmly walk desk de de de de de de thing travel like mile hour cool cucumber bing bing bing missile launch missile launch bing boom unbelievable thing time tell saudi arabia save saudi arabia lot missile shoot yemen place guy unbelievable actually tape action cool cucumber think second thing lot time thing move pretty quick sit like take candy baby genius incredible technology go use defend great veteran defend ask congress build fullservice va hospital new hampshire veteran dearly deserve state va hospital fullservice happen al hell go state fullservice va hospital go build go build direct completely overhauled doj investigate radical outofcontrol prosecutor america illegal racist reverse enforcement law prosecutor control especially happen republican control corrupt system go indemnify police officer law enforcement official united states protect destroy radical left take strong action crime stop somebody rob store want destroy life tough bad see walk store television police tell sue go indemnify police officer precinct depend go rebuild city beacon hope safety beauty well city fall apart democratrun fall apart crimeridden walk street getting shoot include capital way united states capital people anymore dangerous walk street park way load tent homeless tent stop president see tent form say immediately remove tent tough thing relatively good shape good shape need new road need new median median fall metal garbage sell like look like day know sun heat disintegrate bad crap stuff get away lot money place fall apart fall apart lay old halflaye road drive white house drive meeting know go court biden court biden court go defend crooked president go court washington dc fair trial way right work thing work thing work look say sir hope certain judge impossible win get judge wonder happen judge unfair get judge worry take care worry drive drive garbage literally imagine country head prime minister president beautiful country terrible country drive garbage carton paper beer can road long time tell long time sad capital walk street walk outside people shoot week shoot time die case come nebraska come nice beautiful place like great state come capital come new hampshire come want great washington dc away wow away dangerous people getting shoot time want federal government capital run properly strong crime rebuild rid slum area go rid slum area park day sign new executive order cut federal funding school push critical race theory transgender insanity inappropriate racial sexual political content life child penny school vaccine mandate mask mandate believe year ago year thinkable man woman sport believe new thing know hear hear yesterday want woman able fight man word like ufc box want woman fight way know work gym practice work know work imagine want woman fight man sick crazy go weightlifting behold record stand year get break pound quarter ounce quarter ounce woman pound guy lift like thing crazy crazy people think understand think like understand come lot stuff understandable party common sense fully uphold second amendment allow creation central bank digital currency rob money protect innocent life restore free speech secure election goal oneday vote paper ballot voter d republicans win win tuesday win win big resounding number get big big beautiful number vivek come ron come come come take bad president history way senator tim scott good guy come state south carolina nikki think senator scott appoint go say say bad bad beautiful endorsement night ago take bad president history united states add near destruction country crooked joe biden biden administration damage country like want save america tuesday january day tomorrow simple vote trump vote trump conclusion great good great people build country say iowa build country great state great people great state manchester meredith plymouth portsmouth raymond rochester inherit legacy redbloode new hampshire patriot live simple immortal motto live free die hear hear stand shoulder american hero cross ocean settle continent tame wilderness lay railroad raise great skyscraper win world war win world war fort fort benning fort fort fort change win war fort change change fort lot people happy defeat say unacceptable yeah change lot fort win world war lot fort change unbelievable defeat fascism communism america single great nation history world nation decline fail nation nation lose confidence willpower lose strength nation simply lose way go allow horror continue year ago great nation soon great nation happen fast hardworke patriot like build country hardworke patriot like go save country fight america like fight final battle demolish deep state expel warmonger expel people want war time nikki let kill people place let lot money people mess couple week ago see say low ammunition number give away people country give away low ammunition true imagine president xi china putin russia say announce low ammunition kind thing want stupid position drive globalist cast communist marxist fascist throw sick political class truly hate country route fake news 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This bill makes various changes related to family-sponsored immigration, such as narrowing the definition of what constitutes an immediate relative and lowering the annual numerical cap on certain classes of family-sponsored visas. The alien parents of U.S. citizens shall not qualify for visas for immediate relatives, which are not subject to any direct numerical limits. Currently, the spouses, unmarried children under 21, and parents of citizens are considered immediate relatives. The bill also reduces the baseline annual cap for family-sponsored visas from 480,000 to 87,934, and revises the methods for calculating the cap. Currently, the 480,000 cap may be adjusted depending on various factors but shall not be less than 226,000. A spouse or child of a sponsoring alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence shall be subject to the family-sponsored visa cap. The bill revises the rules for determining whether an alien is a child for the purposes of family-sponsored immigration, and establishes that an alien who is married or turns 25 years old prior to a visa becoming available for issuance shall not qualify as a child. The bill creates a nonimmigrant classification for alien parents of adult U.S. citizens, which authorizes such alien parents for admission into the United States for an initial five-year period. Such alien parents shall not be authorized for employment or to receive any public benefits.

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bill make change relate familysponsored immigration narrow definition constitute immediate relative lower annual numerical cap certain class familysponsored visa alien parent citizen shall qualify visa immediate relative subject direct numerical limit currently spouse unmarrie child parent citizen consider immediate relative bill reduce baseline annual cap familysponsored visa revise method calculate cap currently cap adjust depend factor shall spouse child sponsor alien lawfully admit permanent residence shall subject familysponsored visa cap bill revise rule determine alien child purpose familysponsored immigration establish alien married turn year old prior visa available issuance shall qualify child bill create nonimmigrant classification alien parent adult citizen authorize alien parent admission united states initial fiveyear period alien parent shall authorize employment receive public benefit

Ep. 1737 - Twitter Cracks Down On ‘Misgendering’ To Start Pride Month Published: 6/1/2023 (in RSS feed: 1h 1m 35s) As Pride month launches, Twitter cracks down on Matt Walsh's. What is Woman Controversy Breaks out after a Pride Flags mysteriously burned a California elementary school and the house votes to raise the debt ceiling. I'm Ben Shappiro. This is the Bench Bureau show. The Bench Bureau show is sponsored by Express vpn. Protect our online privacy [email protected] slash ben. Well folks, first of all, happy normal month in which we celebrate traditional virtue recognized biological sex differences. Go to church in synagogue and take care of our wives and kids. Happy, happy normal month to you. That's the month that I'm celebrating this month cause that's the month I celebrate every single month. You know, the month in which virtue is a good thing and which pride is a sin and lust is a sin and greed is a sin. Like tho those are, those are the months that I celebrate. I dunno about you. Corporate America celebrates pride month. That is a month in which you celebrate your narcissistic view of your own sexual orientation and why it's the most important thing about human life and why everyone else must celebrate it along with you. But that's not the month that I celebrate. I celebrate like, you know, like every day by trying to be a good person who does moral things. That's, that's how I try. I don't know, it's weird. I know, but corporate America is celebrating pride month and as we discussed yesterday, there's a reason why corporate America celebrates pride month. And it is because many of their biggest funders, not you, the the actual market, but many of the people who actually buy their stock, black Street, BlackRock, Vanguard State Street, they dump literally trillions of dollars into various corporations around planet Earth just so that they, they can control their e s G, their environmental social governance and then they mandate the GE flip its logo on Twitter over to a pride progress flag during Pride month, but not in Saudi Arabia. Cause it might offend the Saudis, right? It's, it's one thing to offend all the Christians in the United States. It is a completely another thing to offend all the Saudis when you have to do business in Saudi Arabia. Well, we now have what I think constitutes a free speech emergency. So this emergency has been ongoing for a very long time. Obviously there are a lot of social media platforms that have cracked down on your ability to speak freely on these sorts of issues. Corporations are now doing the work that government cannot do. So in Europe and in Canada, government does do the work in, in the uk you can be arrested for expressing your point of view on biblical sin. The same thing can happen in Canada. You have your kids taken away from you in Canada. If you suggest that a boy is a boy and a girl is a girl under the inappropriate circumstances in the United States, however, the government is really not supposed to involve itself in that sort of stuff. And so instead they just work in cahoots with major corporations in order to leverage down a socially fascistic movement on you. And if you speak out on social media, you'll be silenced. If you say anything at your place of work, you could be fired. All, all of this has been crammed down on you. Well, we've seen it on a bunch of different social media platforms. Obviously there have been a lot of complaints about platforms ranging from YouTube to Twitter in the pre Elon mascara, but when Elon Musk bought Twitter, one of the suggestions is that Twitter was going to be the free speech platform. In fact, that has been the ongoing assumption of people on the right since Elon bought Twitter because he said it at the time, he said it was going to be a free speech platform. He said, in fact that's why he bought it. One of the things that drove him to buy Twitter in the first place and expend probably three times what the company is worth, like 44 billion in order to buy Twitter. One of the things that led him to do that was the banning of the Babylon Bee for the great sin of saying that a man is not a woman. And then he bought it and he reinstated them. He did the same thing with Jordan Peterson, right? Jordan had tweeted that Elliot page, who was Ellen Page is a woman and he'd been banned for that. And so Elon Musk reinstated him and Elon Musk was asked by the founder of the Babylon Bee, Seth Dylan, my friend Seth, he was asked by by Seth about whether the implementation of a new ad regime at Twitter was going to change the way that Twitter viewed free speech. Were they still going to allow the free expression of opposition to radical gender ideology? And here is what Elon had to say. You've got like a new CEO coming in, sure who's gonna be taking over and you want everybody else to have that same freedom to be able to say what they want, even if it costs them something personally in their lives or whatever, to have that freedom. It would seem to me that the number one thing you'd be looking for is someone who's gonna come in and be as committed to free speech as you are. That trump's even advertising revenue in your view. If you're willing to lose money to be able to personally speak freely, then yeah, We've also lost money, advertising money because some advertisers have got community noted. I think we, we can, we're not gonna make all advertisers happy, but I think we'll make most of 'em happy and there'd be enough that are happy that to support the, you know, this platform, but we're we're, we're not gonna compromise on free speech. We're not gonna compromise on free speech, right? That was Elon's commitment. They weren't gonna compromise on free speech. The reason I bring that up today is because we are now seeing Twitter compromise on free speech. So here is the story and it implicates our company directly and it implicates my friend Matt Walsh and his documentary, what Is a Woman, the single best documentary and most impactful documentary of the last decade in the United States Bar None. So Jeremy Boring, co-founder of Daily Wire, my best friend, he tweeted out, man, I've of course been privy to these negotiations. Twitter canceled a deal with Daily Wire to premiere What is a woman for free on the platform because of two instances of misgendering. I'm not kidding. Here's what happened. So what is a woman? We were going to premiere it for free on Twitter today and to initiate the one year anniversary of what is a woman and also because of course it's pride month, the most prideful month of all the year. And so we are going to allow people to see for free, we are going to allow people to see for free what is a woman. So Jeremy says, one year ago today we released What is a Woman to celebrate the occasion and expand the movie's already Enormous impact. We decided to give it away for free for 24 hours on Twitter. With Twitter's recent commitments to free speech, we thought it would be the perfect place to, to distribute the film and drive the conversation forward on one of the most important topics of our day. Twitter responded with enthusiasm and offered us the opportunity to buy a package to host the movie on a dedicated event page and to promote the event to every Twitter user over the first 10 hours. We accepted and signed an agreement after we signed Twitter, asked to see the film to better understand what parts may trigger users so they could better prepare their response. They said they were still all hands on deck for a launch, so we sent them a screener. After reviewing the film, Twitter let us know that not only could we no longer purchase the package they offered, they would no longer provide us any support and would actually limit the reach of the film and label it hateful conduct because of misgendering. Specifically in the film, a father refers to his 14 year old daughter as her and a store owner uses the wrong pronoun in a confrontation with a trans person. We reminded Twitter, they removed misgendering from their policy and that the term misgendering itself is misleading and then enforcing such a policy places them on the side of the most radical elements in society decide most opposed to their commitment to free speech. Twitter clarified, they only removed misgendering from their policy because they didn't need to be that specific, but they still consider misgendering abuse and harassment. Then they give us the opportunity to edit the film to comply. We declined. So Twitter actually came to us and they said, we want you to remove these sections from the film and then we'll allow you to air it. Maybe when we asked how much they would limit the visibility, if we posted the film anyway, Twitter replied, our own followers would not be able to see it in their feeds. This they said is part of their speech Notre policy. So in other words, if Matt Walsh personally posted what is a woman as an entire movie on his Twitter feed, his own followers would not be able to see it. That's how much Twitter would throttle this thing. Of course, saying you have a right to speak says Jeremy, but we'll make sure no one hears you is a bit like saying you have a right to vote, but we'll make sure it isn't counted. That's not a right at all. We brought all of our shows to Twitter Tuesday because we believed Twitter was committed to free speech, especially on this issue. After all, the Babylon B was silenced on Twitter over this very issue and that in part prompted Elon to purchase the platform. The other tech platforms have already decided whether they stand in the trans debate and they demonetize and deprioritize all those who disagree. Now, Twitter has joined the ranks of other tech superpowers in ensuring one side of the debate is suppressed. Elon Musk is not beholden to conservatives. He has the right to run his business as he sees fit, but if Twitter is going to throttle one side of the most important debates facing society, it can't claim to champion free speech, Jeremy says, I hope Elon will reconsider this awful policy. If we can't debate these issues on Twitter, where can we debate them? If conservative aren't welcome on Twitter, where are they? Welcome. It's unlikely another Centi billionaire will come along to offer an alternative. We plan to post the movie anyway. Tonight at 8:00 PM Eastern, will Twitter make good on their threat to throttle it and label it hateful conduct? Or will Twitter live up to its great promise? We'll all find out together. Okay. The fact that this is even an issue is absurd. Absurd. This film has been seen by millions of people already exposing it to millions more people via Twitter was the great promise of Twitter. It is the reason why there was so much hope on the center and center right, that when Twitter was taken over by Elon Musk, there would finally be a free speech platform worth it. Salt. So we'll see tonight whether Elon Musk lives up to that commitment, but the fact that they actually pre-committed Twitter did Twitter corporate, they pre-committed to doing a deal where we could promote the movie, where it appear, and then they went from that to, if you put it on Matt Walsh's account, we'll throttle it. It demonstrates full scale how the middle management of these companies, at the very least, has control over the levers of power. And that is deeply frightening and it's again, one of the reasons why Pride Month continues to be a propagandistic holiday on behalf of a radical secular religion. We'll get to more on the magic holy month of Pride in one second. First, it's time to talk about Daily Water's most trusted privacy partner and the premier sponsor of this show Express at vpn. 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Okay, so J Crew, just to take a few examples, J Crew has now gone woke for the kitties. They have put out Pride PR Progress Flag t-shirts for children. It's a Kid's Pride graphic tee and it says Love is for everybody and it's got all the different magical flags on it. It's so exciting, so exciting and, and of course they're not alone. Now the the big question for conservatives is going to be what do we decide not to shop at? What, where do we, what do we decide to boycott? The answer is we actually have to pick and choose. You can't boycott everything. You gotta pick a few companies and make examples of them. Obviously one of the companies that has been made an example of is Target. Target is just getting absolutely crushed in the market as well. It should targets share prices have plunged to the lowest that they have been in years. They've had the longest losing streak that they've had in five years. Their share prices have fallen for eight straight days. They plunged another 3.66% on Tuesday reaching $133, okay? That that is down a significant percentage, like 12 billion in market cap since the beginning of the boycott against Target. Initiated by the fact that they were promoting Pride Progress Garbage to small children. In fact, hilariously the number one song, the number one song on the charts right now on, on the iTunes chart is an anti-art boycott song. It's a rap song called Boycott Target Rapper four. GTO Blow is the person who recorded this accompanied by fellow rappers, Jimmy Levy, Nick Natoli, and Stoney Dude bro was released May 25th in response to the Target's pride themed clothing for children. Here is what that song sounds like. Put don't even need Target. Target, yeah, they Target and Target Target, yeah, they target kids. Target, target, yeah, they Target. And so apparently, according to these rappers, they're, they're still being targeted on social media, which of course is not particularly shocking. And he points out the BT Q merch that is targeting small children, including the official rainbow yearbook for kids. This is what Corporate America is doing now. We can flex our power and we have been flexing our power with regard to Target. We flex our power with regard to Bud Light as well, obviously, but there is no question that this pride month, because it is a holy pride month, this will turn into a, a clash of worldviews. That's essentially what we're talking about here. This is not just about gear and we're talking about celebrating particular forms of viewpoint on gender and sex. What we're talking about that we're talking about is a secular religion that is going up against traditional values. That is what Pride Month is about. I'll get to what I mean by all of that in just one second. First, it takes a special kind of company to kind of wanna partner with this show. 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The new regime in the United States is that if you burn an American flag, dissent is the height of patriotism. We have been told. It means that you are the best co you're not just American. You are the best American burning an American flag. You know the flag for which American soldiers have fought, bled and died. You burn American flag, you are a hero. You knee for the American flag, you're a hero, right? That, that the American flag piss on it all that not only is that fine, it's just showing how much you love free speech. If you burn a pride flag, if you take a pride flag and you burn that pride flag, you will aone you have committed a grave sin, a grave crime, the kind of crime no civilized society should tolerate burning a pride flag again, burning a flag of our nation. You know, the one that's supposed to unify our nation? That's no, that, that, that's fine. You could do that as mu all day long. You can do that it, but, but the moment, the moment you touch that pride flag, you put that thing down. Now, there is a question that I have, which is why in the world is there a pride flag in elementary school? These are small children. Why are five-year-olds, six-year-olds, seven-year-olds being exposed to an ideology that promotes alternative forms of sex? Why, why is that appropriate for a five, six, or seven year old? I don't think it's appropriate in public school at all. I think that you should be taught about this stuff by your parents, not by some state-sponsored apparat who is going to indoctrinate your children into gender stupidity. I think that your parents somehow figured out how to have you, so they should be able to explain to you how that happened. I don't really feel this is that tough. In fact, pretty much everybody I know who is in a religious community of one sort or another believes this and so does everybody above the age of 50. It is only in the last several decades that we have decided that you must be a state sponsored single teacher with a cat at home in order to teach kids about how sex works. And not only how sex works, but how all forms of sex work. Because the, the, the way that you used to be taught about sex in schools was here's how sex produces babies, right? This is like a basic biology course. Now, of course, sex ed encompasses everything up and including sex toys for alternative practices and why they're all so wonderful. Well, so apparently pride progress flags at the elementary school at Satwa. Totally fine. Somebody burned it. Woo woo, man, get the police on that right away. Now, I mean, LA where I used to live is being completely overrun by crime. It it's homeless people are everywhere. Drug use, open on the streets, people being murdered in broad daylight. The city is falling apart. But, but we have our priorities here in secular left wing culture and our priority is that if you touch that, you put that flag down, you stop it, you stop it right now, you cut it out. The school has been the focus of a group of parents who are objecting to an upcoming Pride Day assembly on Friday, June 2nd, at which the school plans to teach children about lgbtq plus identities during a book reading. Which again, why is that happening? Why, why is it necessary to teach small children like five-year-olds about gay identity or intersex identity or gender queer identity? The fire incident to the school is being investigated by the lap D the investigation is ongoing. They say it is vandalism, it is hate crime. The hate crime is still significant, but it is a misdemeanor. The blackened planter and burn flag were discovered by school personnel Monday, May 22nd at 6:30 AM he did not know when the planter and flag were burned that says the police and there are no suspects now they're preemptively blaming all of the conservative parents. Anna, a parent in the group who asked that her name not be published in the interest of her family safety, said she doesn't believe any member of her group is responsible for the possible hate crime. Now listen, it could theoretically be literally a false flag that is not a, a dim possibility. Very often in cases like this where there's a ha somebody hung a news, it turns out that the person who hung a news was some sort of activist who wanted to bring attention to a thing. It's quite possible that this is a person at the school who was in favor of the pride progress flag being shown to three-year-old and decided, what if I burn this flag and then nobody knows who did it and then they blame the conservatives and then I get to act like a victim that would not be outta bounds. Many of these cases end up being hoaxes in the United States. We don't know that it could maybe, maybe it's not a hoax, but it could very well be a hoax. It's a national story. Anyway, we now live in a country where it is a national news story for a person to burn a flag that has particular colors on it, so long as those colors aren't the American flag, right? Not, not national news. If kids are getting generally mutilated at hospitals across the country for no reason, yes, national news when it comes to the burning of the pride progress flag, because of course this is a religious flag. So what do they do? Well, they, they put another LGBTQ pride flag hanging outside a teacher's classroom now covering the window, which is really exciting stuff. According to, according to the principal, he said that his group and the teacher have draped a larger LGBTQ plus flag on the teacher's classroom window. We raised that flag to let them know we are gonna be stronger and united. So again, this is, this is the way that our secular culture works and this, this does have some pretty significant ramifications for our broader society. We'll get to that momentarily. First, let's talk about how you preserve your family moments. Okay, so we had Mom's Day, right? That is the day when we celebrate the female of the species who actually per generate children. I know these are, I have to define terms. Now. We're also having Father's Day that is coming up in the near future that celebrates the male of the species who also help in the process of progeneration and then raise their children in masculine fashion. 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Riley Dennis falls down, there's the woman, bam, and down goes the lady because men just beating the crap outta women so long as they pretend that they're women is totally fine, no problem whatsoever. Oh, always good. So, you know, there, there are obviously a lot of specific instances like this in the sporting world. It's obviously true that when you have people like Dylan Mulvaney cosplaying as women, it isn't making a mockery of women that you are erasing women. It is female erasure to pretend that a man can be a woman, but it also has sort of deeper malign problems. Okay? So one of those malign problems obviously is the transing of the children. The, the idea that a boy can become a girl or a girl can become a boy is the height of perversion. There is no scientific evidence to back this. In fact, all signs suggest precisely the opposite. And in fact, if you go back decades when we were actually allowed to study this stuff, it turns out that moms of boys with gender identity disorder have an extraordinary propensity to suffer from borderline personality disorder. There's a study all the way back from 1991 in the Journal of American Academic Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, and what they found is that 53% of the moms of boys with gender identity disorder were borderline personality disorder. So over half of all the women who had boys were gender dysphoric is in 1991, had borderline personality disorder compared with 6% of the control group A and, and the numbers have now, I would assume only increased because we've now created a massive social contagion, like huge social contagion. And so the, the, the generation of vast numbers of kids who are now going to be sucked into sexual fluidity and gender ideology, those numbers are extraordinary. I mean, we are seeing thousands of percentage point increases in trans identity. We are seeing 21% of people who are, who are born between like 1998 and 2004, now identifying as lgbtq plus minus divided by sign. Is any of that good for human fulfillment? Is any of that good for human society? Is that good for the progeneration of society in general? Of course not. Of course not. And it's not just because of this particular wing of movement, it is because this pr pride month is itself a symptom. It is a symptom of the complete reorientation of human fulfillment away from how do you serve a community? How do you build social connections? How do you build for the next generation and toward what do I want to screw? Okay, that, that transformation which really began as I've mentioned before in the early 19th century with the romantic movement with with Shelly and, and his compatriots, this idea that the true you is what lay on the inside and it really was your sexual desire. And any imposition on that sexual desire was an imposition on the true you and threatened your authenticity. That's really broken out into the open western society since the 1960s. You combine that feeling, which has to be again, rooted in a narcissistic belief that there is nothing outside of you, and that itself is rooted in a secular atheistic perspective on the world, right? These things are, are deeply connected on a philosophical level. People who tend to believe that there is no higher meaning that can be discerned in the world. There is no natural law, there is no God, there is no revelation, there's none of that stuff. That basically the only thing that exists in the world is what you make of it, and that the most important part of you is your sexual desire. That perspective has deep and abiding societal consequences. Now, as I mentioned before, that perspective sort of existed under the surface in western civilization throughout the 19th century and for most of the 20th century, but it really broke out into the open in the sixties. The reason that it broke out into the open in the sixties particularly is because the consequences of that ideology were pretty grave for most of human history. If you're a person who believed that the only thing that mattered was sexual pleasure up until like 1960, chances were you were gonna have babies outta wedlock, you were gonna get a sexual disease, right? There were a lot of actual real world consequences to that. Then in the 1960s, with the rise of birth control pills, with the rise of medical care and all the rest of this, with the rise of a welfare system that took care of your problems for you, what you ended up with was a society where the consequence of your own actions were now attenuated from your behavior. And so now you literally could say, okay, I will lead my happiest life because there will be, there'll be no real world consequences for my behavior and everybody will be forced to accept me. The, the, the reification of the individualistic animistic individualistic identity rooted in sex was finally able to conquer all. And that is where we are right now. And the con, the consequences for that are extraordinarily dire. One of the consequences for that is that no one's having babies. Now, I know that this is supposed to be a matter of indifference to people in western civilization. I just have a question. Why, why would that possibly be a matter of indifference? Literally, the purpose of a human being is to pro generate the species, even from put aside religion. From an evolutionary biological perspective, the purpose of being a human is to have more humans. It is to pro generate from a religious perspective and from any decent perspective, good values down to a next generation to transform the world in a better way on behalf of your children. That is the, the intergenerational link is what makes you a better person. A person living on a desert island in complete atomistic isolation can't be good. There's no standard of good or bad living on a desert island by yourself. The standard for good or bad really begins to apply in societies, and you really only have the ability to carry out your fulfillment as a human being when you start thinking about generations beyond yourself, like beyond when you die. But in the United States, we no longer think like that. According to the Wall Street Journal today, about 3.66 million babies were born in the United States in 2022. That's essentially unchanged from 2021 and 15% below the P kit in 2007. The provisional total is 3000 below 2020 ones final count. We are now seeing the number of deaths in the United States approaching the number of births in the United States overall, which would obviously mark a decline in population. Total fertility is well below replacement levels. It is 1.665. You need a fertility rate of 2.1 children per woman. That's the replacement rate for human beings. If your population is growing, 1.665 means that the population is shrinking, which means that you have to rely on immigration in order to fill in that gap. In fact, the only fertility rates that are increasing in the country right now are fertility rates for Asian Americans and fertility rates for Hispanic Americans. Those are the only ones that are increased in the country right now. Since 2016, the fertility rate for white Americans has dropped from 58 or so live births per 1000 women age 15 to 44, all the way down to 52 in the black family. It's, it's significantly larger. Birth rates continue to decline among young people. And again, this is because when you start thinking of yourself as basically a, a machine for sexual hedonism, you don't tend to care too much about having babies or building family units, which are the predicate for having a functional society. Fascinating article by Mary Harrington over an unheard called Why Gen Z prefers dogs, two babies. And she, she talks about the fact that people have decided that they are are not going to have kids anymore. This is true, by the way, in San Francisco. There are now more pets than there are children. So she, she's actually writing about London. She's not even writing about the United States pets at home. CEO Lisa McGowan thinks some of these young people have redirected. They're carrying urges toward pets. They're taking all that time and energy and attention and putting it into fur babies, especially in urban areas. McGowan speculates, this is happening because the classic milestones of adult life, like getting your own place, seem increasingly out of reach to many thanks to scarce housing, rising costs and stagnant wages. This feels plausible, but is that all there is to it? Prospects for Gen Z are not as optimistic as for their boomer grandparents, but absolute terms, human societies have lived through greater turbulence and gone on having kids. Liberal feminist Joe Phillip Povich argues if more women are opting to have fewer or no kids, it isn't so much about the financial pinch. Certainly among dog walker acquaintances locally, I can think of several childless, younger millennial, heterosexual couples who seem pretty sorted, good jobs, comfortably off, ideally situated. They're picking dogs instead of kids. So why exactly is that happening? I mean, the, the reason that that's happening is because we as a society have declined to have children. We do not think that the most important thing is building for the future anymore. We don't think family structure is all that important anymore. She says, imagine you've grown up with a set of messages that suggest that sex is just a fun leisure activity, and that all forms of sexual intimacy are morally equivalent. A worldview that presents embodiment, sexuality, desire, and intimacy as coru skating infinitely varied expressive options in which what anyone does should be limited only by individual preference and mutual consent. Imagine you've grown up with that set of messages. Now imagine you're detecting yourself a buried hankering to be a mother or father. Well, what do you do? You have a dog because it runs directly up against the individualistic sexual hedonism notion for you to have babies, because now you actually have to think about values and think about family structure and think about hemming in your sexual urges and desires and think about something beyond your genitals or your genital orientation or urges. And of course, the stats show this. The people who are not having kids in our society are atheists. If you, if you look at, again, there's a deep, this does not mean that all atheists are irresponsible hedonistic. Of course, there are many atheists who are not, does not mean all religious people are traditional in the way that they perform their lives. They are not. But if you're looking at ideologies overall, an atheistic individualistic ideology that suggests that all fulfillment is to be found in pleasure and pain and that pleasure and pain is most choice when it comes to sexual activity, that is society that is very, very unlikely to be durable. A society that's not gonna generate kids, it's not gonna generate family units, it's not gonna have a future orientation. It's gonna be a society that falls apart. And so from that perspective, this really isn't even about pride month per se. It's just the pride month is the final sort of manifestation. It's the form of the destroyer in the sense that if civilization is predicated on future orientation commitment to the family unit, generation of children in a father mother household, and you have an entire month celebrated by corporate America and government rejecting all of those things, or at the very least pretending that that is a, a question of apathy to the, to the institutions that be, that there is moral apathy, that, that really any of these choices are fine. You decide you wanna live in a polyamorous poly huel in The Bahamas with no kids, or you decide that you are gonna get married to a woman and have four kids and live inside a religious community. And it's a matter of complete social apathy, which one of these you choose. In fact, we should be proud of the first choice, the first choice. You should be prouder of it because to, to be a member of the indoctrinated class, to to be a person who has given in to societal systems and institutions means that you have betrayed your authentic self, which is of course why you should be proud of being a member of the first. You should be proud of being a member of the second group. You have to have a pride month for the first group. This is how civilizations fall apart, obviously, and that has nothing to do with, with whether people are gay or straight. It has to do with societal orientations towards future, towards family, towards family unit toward the difference in male and female. And so, as I say, pride month is less a cause than a symptom of a deep rooted philosophy that has taken hold in the West to post-enlightenment philosophy, a romantic philosophy that rejects societal associations and institutions that actually create a durable humanity in favor of individualistic sexual excess. 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The change of command comes too late to reverse the situation in Southeast Asia, as Richard Nixon's program of Vietnamization eases America out of its worst directed war. But long before the last American service person leaves Vietnam, a new generation of liberators rise to the challenge of saving American tactics, weaponry, and doctrine from themselves. Bill makes you feel like you're there. Witnessing history. Here are this amazing story in this week's episode of Cold War. New episodes of Cold War come out every single week, but you have to be a member to see it. Go to daily wire.com/cold War to start watching. Okay? Meanwhile, you know, as we've been talking about with regard to Pride month, the, the media have portrayed it as though Florida is an absolute hell hole for gay people, right? It's just, it's just terrible because again, the media like to draw this sort of false dichotomy. The false dichotomy is this, either you accept wholesale the left wing pride month agenda, or you must be Uganda and you wanna like just go after gay people and prosecute them and put them in jail, or alternatively, none of that's true and we just don't want indoctrination of the children. Well, remember that time the entire media said about the state of Florida that you couldn't say gay in the state of Florida, which is weird because I live in the state of Florida and I have many gay friends who live in the state of Florida, and they all seem fine to me like Dave Rubin and his husband. They're, they're fine in, in fact, they, they kinda like it here. Well, according to Associated Press, which again has proclaimed that Florida is an unsafe place for gay people. Quote, tens of thousands of lgbtq plus people are flocking to Central Florida this weekend to go on theme park rides, mingle with costume performers, dance at all night parties and lounge poolside hotels during gay days, a decades long tradition, even though Governor Ron DeSantis and Florida lawmakers have championed a slew of anti LGBTQ plus laws, spurring the most prominent gay rights group in the United States to issue travel warnings to the Sunshine State. Gay days organizers are still encouraging visitors from around the world to come to one of Florida's largest gay and lesbian celebrations. Well, yeah, I mean, clear. Clear, wow. Maybe it's just a giant sting operation. May, maybe this is all just a magnet. Governor DeSantis is gonna arrive with the fascist Central Florida Police Force and just round everybody up. Or alternatively, none of that was true in the first place, but you can always trust the media to make sure that they are lying. Okay? Meanwhile, the, the House of Representatives did in fact pass a debt ceiling deal. That deal was struck by Joe Biden and Kevin McCarthy. I've made clear that I frankly don't care all that much about the debt ceiling deal. The reason I don't care that much about the debt ceiling deal is because the kind of cuts that McCarthy achieved from Biden are more than I think people expected. Certainly people expected that Joe Biden was gonna run rough shot over McCarthy and that he was going to be able to just increase the debt ceiling with literally no concessions to McCarthy. Instead, McCarthy was able to cap spending at 2022 levels. The, the only part of the spending that is not capped inside the, the non-mandatory spending is defense spending, which means that a lot of the discretionary spending actually will decline in future years. It's not what you'd want it, it's not what Chip Roy wanted. It's not what I would want in an ideal world, the reason I say I don't care all that much about it is because if you actually wanna take on the systemic debt and spending problem in the United States, you have to touch the mandatory spending. The mandatory spending represents 62% of federal spending every single year. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, all these other benefits. That stuff represents two thirds of American spending. Another 10% is in the net interest category, that's 72%, and then another 13 or so percent is defense spending. So you're talking about arguing over the remaining 15% and whether that 15% is gonna go up or down incrementally over the course of the next 10 years, that is not going to solve the debt crisis in the United States. So I'm glad that McCarthy was able to exact some concessions from Biden. I think he showed up Biden. I think that he actually showed power over his own coalition, which by the way is not a bad thing. I know there's a, there's this belief inside the conservative movement and the Republican party that you can never allow leadership to have sort of the whip hand with its own caucus. You wanna know why Democrats get things done because they vote in lockstep. That is the reason why they get things done. Nancy Pelosi ran that thing like a machine and even Chuck Schumer, who's not very good at it, he tends to run things kind of like a machine, right? He's got a problem with mansion and cinema, but everybody else votes in lockstep, unison Republicans were a fractious crew. But the reality is that if you wanna get something done inside the House of Representatives, the speaker of the house, if you're a Republican, does actually have to have the power to do the thing. Now, it doesn't mean you can't put pressure on him. I'm glad Chip Roy was sounding off on this stuff in the same way that I'm glad that Chip Roy Exacted concessions from Kevin McCarthy when McCarthy was trying to become speaker of the house, but the sort of outsized, wailing and gnashing of teeth. Let's be real about this. The spending problem in the United States is the Titanic headed toward an iceberg? The iceberg is right there. We can rearrange the deck chairs as much as we want, and maybe there are better or worse positions for the deck chairs. Maybe if we move the deck chairs closer to the railings, that'll be better for the people who are bored of the Titanic makes for a quicker exit. But reality speaking, it's the iceberg that's the problem. Everybody's gonna ignore that iceberg until we hit it. And then we're all gonna yell at each other about the deck chairs. That's really what happened with regard to this debt ceiling deal. Now, the truth is Democrats are pretty upset about this. They voted in larger numbers than Republicans did for the bill, mainly because, again, once Democratic leadership says a thing, Democrats just do it. It's just a testament to the power of the Democratic caucus when it comes to their leadership contingent, their leadership contingent is very strong. This thing passed by a three 14 to one 17 vote, it relied on support from both Republicans and Democrats as a percentage more Democrats than Republicans voted in favor of the deal. Chip Roy said, my beef is, you cut a deal that shouldn't have been cut. Some Senate Republicans have threatened to slow the passage. They have agreed to cut through procedural hurdles if they're granted amendment votes, but unlikely they're gonna get the amendment votes considering that again, Democrats have control of the Senate, so they're gonna be able to, to ram this thing through. Again, this is the thing. McCarthy is negotiating with the Democratic Senate and a Democratic president pretending that he's negotiating with Donald Trump and a Republican senate is wrong. Now, let's be real about this too. There was a point at which we had a Republican house, senate and president, and you know what happened to spending? It went this direction, it went up. The bill would cut spending on domestic priorities favored by Democrats in fiscal 2024 while boosting military spending by about 3%. It then sets a 1% cap on spending increases for the 2025 fiscal year. I understand why many conservatives are upset with the deal they wanted more. I get it. Again, the reason I'm not putting significant focus on it is because the more that we want is not going to be solved by a debt ceiling fight. It's just not gonna happen for his part. Mitch McConnell congratulated McCarthy on on getting the deal through. I think Speaker McCarthy should be congratulated on capturing a, a number of priorities. And the best way to look at the difference, two years ago we were in the process of spending $1.9 trillion and then last year another 750 billion. So we've gone from one party spending $2.7 trillion in two years to a discussion about actually reducing government spending. So I think the American people's decision to change the house is already yielded benefits for our country. Yhe Mitch McConnell, that's due of manipulator Parexel. And what he's saying there is, is not wrong. It is not wrong. Now, let's be clear about this too. The Republicans did vote in majority for the bill. So there used to be a, a rule that was called the has rule. And the basic idea was that if you couldn't get a majority of your own party on board, you shouldn't put a bill up for a vote. McCarthy didn't just have a majority of his own party. He had like two to one inside his own party voting for the bill. 1 49 to 71 Democrats voted 1 65 to 46 for the bill. Remember the question a second ago was whether McCarthy could even run his caucus. Now, McCarthy has exacted concessions from Joe Biden. He has run his caucus, he's overcome ape a speakership challenge, right? There just aren't the votes for it. And that's not a bad thing. You know, the party's being able to actually control their members when it comes to voting is, is probably a good thing. As I say, Democrats are not super that they're trying to pretend that they're not upset about it. They're, they're kind of upset about it. Here's James Clyburn saying, I wish we could just get rid of the debt ceiling entirely. I don't think a lot of people understand that if we allowed the country to go into default, the people at the bottom of the economic ladder would've been in a catastrophic place. These are people who have given their all and we ought to be taking care of them. And so no, we should not allow them to be jeopardized with their quality of life while we argue over political stuff. So, you know, I'm not a proponent of having a debt limit. I don't think we oughta have that at all. I've done the study on this. I understand Denmark may be the only other country democracy got run and even if their debt limit is three times above what their budget is. So I don't know why we have this debt limit. I wish we could just get this thing behind us, pass this bill tonight and let's next week start working on getting rid of the debt limit altogether. Okay? Again, that's what Democrats would've preferred. McCarthy not only did not give them that he actually exacted concessions from a Democratic senate and a Democratic president. So that is where things currently stand. Is that something that Republicans should look like? Should they look at that in the mouth and, and be upset about that? I, I'm, I'm wondering just why, why, why can't you just take, like, take the victory, take the W guys? You, you, you beat Biden on this one. Take the w Okay. Meanwhile, the 2016 race continues to heat up. More and more people are jumping in. I just, I don't understand quite why. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. So apparently Mike Pence is now going to jump into the race. He, he is the, of course, former vice president to Donald Trump. Trump is very angry at him because he didn't overturn the election, which he had no legal power to do. It was absurd. But Mike Pence wants to jump into the race. He's going to do a kickoff speech in Des Moines, Iowa. It's gonna be very difficult for him because again, Trump has basically destroyed his reputation among the Republican base for no reason. I mean, he was a good soldier during the entirety of the administration. He just refused to, you know, overturn an election that he had no legal power to overturn. But this makes him bad. Now, according to a person familiar with Pence's plans court, we view the race as absolutely wide open. Iowa is really gonna solidify itself as a pivotal player. It's a place that values that Pence's principles, deep rooted faith and uncommon character. Now again, is it fair that Mike Pence has been sort of cast off the political stage? I don't think that's fair. I like Vice President Pence and I, I think he's a good man. Is he somebody who's going to win a primary? I I, I have a hard time seeing how, speaking of other people who are not gonna win a primary, Chris Christie continues to tilt at that windmill. The, the leaning tower of pizza, that dude is, he's still running, or should I say waddling? He's a former close Trump ally who calls the former president a coward and a puppet of Putin. But that's only after he, you know, ran around, fetching him coffee for like a couple of years. And after he performed the most famous political murder suicide of my lifetime, where he took out Marco Rubio in the New Hampshire primaries and simultaneously took himself out. He's like a political suicide bomber. And now he's back and better than ever being obnoxious again. Chris Christie has become a joke, whether it is Bridgegate or whether it is him in the middle of like a, a shutdown on a beach somewhere in New Jersey, like hanging out like Chris Christie, man, why? Just, why the media love him? Because he's really pugnacious and, and aggressive. But I just don't, I don't, I don't see it at all. Like, what, what is the purpose of this thing? And the real question is, whose interest is he going to serve? Is he gonna, is he gonna be like some of the other candidates who are already in the race and spend all of his fire on DeSantis. Are we gonna get a repeat of 2016 where Trump doesn't have more than 40% of the vote, but he ends up winning the primaries anyway, just cause everybody else is like a, a crab pot. Everybody's just crawling each other down into the pot. Is that what we're about to see? And meanwhile, the conflict between DeSantis and Trump is escalating. And again, the, the, the contrast between how Trump goes after DeSantis and how DeSantis goes after Trump is quite a thing to see. So Trump went after DeSantis recently by saying that Andrew Cuomo did a better job in New York than DeSantis did in Florida, which is absurd. It is absurd. DeSantis responded by speaking to policy here is how DeSantis responded to that. So you talked about changing her tone a little bit with former President Trump. I don't believe you mentioned him here by name tonight, but does this mean you're going to be a bit more aggressive with campaigning against him? So Look, I'm gonna respond to attacks. I mean, if, if you say Cuomo did a better job with Covid, then Florida did. First of all, that's not what he used to say. This is like new, like six months ago. He would've never said that, right? He used to say how great Florida was. Hell, his whole family moved to Florida under my governorship. Are you kidding me? So, so some of this stuff I think is, look, if someone is saying that I am gonna, I am gonna counter punch, I'm gonna fight back on it. Okay? So he is right about that. So it's a content labeled response, right? He's not insulting Trump personally. He's like, dude, your entire family moved down here and you were praising me until five seconds ago about Covid and now I'm running against you and suddenly I'm worse than Andrew Cuomo. So that's how DeSantis responds to attack. Here is how Donald Trump responds to Ron DeSantis. He posted this on, this is a press release, an official press release from the Donald Trump campaign. The Trump Make America Great again 2024 campaign in case you missed it. Truth from President Donald J. Trump. Have you heard Rob Des Sanctimonious wants to change his name again. He's demanding the people call him round DeSantis ran Desant DeSantis rather than dais. Actually iec da better, a nicer flow. So I'm happy he's changing it. He gets very upset when people including reporters don't pronounce it correctly, therefore he shouldn't mind des DiUS. Ah, substantive deep cut right there. Really going after the things that matter. Rob Desc, Bernies, If this is the sort of thing you think is going to win a presidential election against Joe Biden, I urge you to vote for this. If you think however, that perhaps the best lines of attack are not calling a person named Ron Rob and then suggesting that it is a matter of public concern, whether his name is pronounced DeSantis versus DeSantis, I don't know. I have doubts on that campaign strategy. I don't know, call me crazy. I just don't think it's an amazing campaign strategy. Okay? Time for some things I like and some things I hate. So things that I like today, John, please, who has become increasingly conservative over the years. Not because he's super conservative, but just because he has not gone along with the woke left. And he happens to be a person who does comedy for a living. He's become very annoyed with the realities of the left in which jokes that are certainly funny have become unwoke and therefore verboten. There's been a push now to remove a scene from life of Brian in which one of the characters declares that he wants to become a woman because he wishes to become pregnant. And everyone makes fun of him because it's absurd. Here is the scene from life of Brian. Provided the movement never forgets that it is the unalienable right of every man, all woman, all woman, the rid himself or herself or herself. Agreed. Thank you brother or sister or sister. Where was I? I think you finished. Oh, right. Furthermore, it is the birthright of every man or woman. Why don't you shut up about women? Stan, you're putting us off. Women have a perfect right to play a part in our movement Ridge. Why are you always on about women? Stan, I want to be one. What? I want to be a woman from now on. I want you all to call me Loretta. What? It's my right as a man. What Word do you want to be? Loretta? Stan? I want to have babies. You wanna have Babies? It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them. B, you can't have babies. Don't you oppress me. I'm not pressing you. Stand you. I'm got a womb. Where's the fetus? Gonna just take, you're gonna keep it in a box Here, I've got an idea. Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies not having a womb, which is nobody's fault. Not even the Romans, but that he can have the right to have babies. Good idea, Judith, which will fight the oppressors for your right to have babies. Brother, sister. Sorry, what's the point? What, what's the point of five injuries right away? Babies when he can't have babies, it is symbolic of our struggle against oppression, Symbolic Struggle against reality. It's still on the nose, man. Ah, It's so on the nose, right? So you watch that scene, you're like, that's the actual argument we're having now. So the left, of course, is very angry at this cuz it was in a comedy. One of the funniest comedies ever made life of Brian. And so Clease went on Twitter and he said, a few days ago, I spoke to an audience outside London. I told him I was adapting life of Brian so we could do it as a stage show, not a musical. I said we'd had a table reading of the latest draft in New York City a year ago. And that all the actors, several of them Tony winners, had advised me strongly to cut the Loretta scene. I have of course no intention of doing so. So there, there have been a lot of talk in the media about the possibility of him cutting the scene. He said, that's, that's absurd. He said, these were absolutely top class Broadway performers. They were adamant we would not get away with doing a scene in New York. I asked them, our Python fans not going to come because we're doing a scene they've been laughing at for 40 years. And then he said, producers tend to be scaredy cats. They don't remember that the protests in New York City when Brian was released meant we never needed to do publicity. Well, good for John Cle. And unfortunately that is the reality in which we now live. People are so scared of performing like old comedy. And people have said this about Blazing Saddles and pretty much all the Mel Brooks movies from the sixties and seventies that you could not make any of those today. Okay? That that is a funny scene. And the reason it is funny is because it is an absurdity for a man to claim that he has the right to have a baby or that he is a woman or that he has a womb or any of the rest of this. Everyone knows it's a war with reality, but you're not allowed to say that anymore because to laugh at the thing is what destroys the thing. This is the thing the left really knows. We are forced to take seriously, their most absurd contentions. And the the minute you take it seriously, now you're playing their game because the burden of proof shifts from you, from them to you. They used to have to explain why violation of reality and embrace of, of absolute absurdity was a good idea. But the minute that you start engaging in the conversation now the burden of proof shifts to you to explain why your way of life is superior, why your logic is superior. Well, the proper response to completely absurd things is to laugh at them. And when you take laughter off the table, it takes away a giant weapon, which is why the left is trying to take it off the table in the first place. Okay? Another thing that I like, so San Francisco is having some real tourism problems also. People are moving out of the city at an extraordinary rate because it turns out that generally people don't like going to downtown districts that have no stores because they've all been shoplifted out of existence and they're not real fond of watching people shoot up and die on the streets. They, they're not big fans of being assaulted in public and all the rest of it. Well, San Francisco has decided that they are going to counter program this thing with an advertising campaign. And here's what that advertising campaign looks like. Francisco coming home, People in bars. Yep, there we go. It's people at restaurants. Nancy restaurants, no heroin addicts. Ready? Everybody is dancing or up. Gay people in wheelchairs. More gay people. People in quirky outfits. One nuclear family. The nuclear family is the actual tourist attraction is the only one in San Francisco. Drag queens. Yes. San Francisco, Castro Street Fair people painting weird murals. Yeah. San Francisco. Who wants to go? You guys interested? I, I feel like that ad campaign is not going to work particularly well. Okay, time for some things that I hate. Hey thing I hate number one. So I've talked to you at this point almost ad nauseum about what I've called face tattoo syndrome, right? This is the issue where you go to the Starbucks and the guy behind the counter has a giant face tattoo and you stare at him because he put a giant tattoo on his face and you shouldn't have a giant tattoo on your face cuz it looks weird. And so you stare at him and he's like, what are you staring at? Like the giant tattoo on your face that is meant to draw attention to you. You could have also called it blue hair syndrome, or some chick gets her hair dye blue and then you're looking at her and like, that's a weird color. And she's like, what are you looking at? Why are you looking at my hair? Because you dye it blue. That's the reason. Well, Lizzo is one of these people. So Lizzo the Roun musical star, the round mo of rebound. So I'm allowed to make fun of her weight. And the reason I'm allowed to make fun of her weight is because she has decided that fat is beautiful, right? She is the one who made an issue of her body. I did not make an issue of her body. She is the one who's decided to run around scantily clad, claiming that she's the apotheosis of human beauty. I didn't do that. She was free to, you know, dress modestly and not make an issue out of her body. And, and to not run entire ad campaigns centered on the idea that she is within the definitions of traditional beauty. She decided not to do that. And now she's upset that people are making fun of her. Well, according to page six, Lizzo is not trying to change her body. She's trying to scroll social media without seeing disparaging comments about it. So, I mean, first rule of social media, if you're a celebrity, I know because I am one, don't scroll social media. It is a mistake. It is always a mistake. But apparently Lizzo does that. She says she often finds herself clapping back at trolls who use their small platforms to shame her for her weight because they're the real bullies, right? The guy with three followers on Twitter who's making fun of her for claiming that she is once again the apex of human attractiveness. That person is the real, is the real problem. She with her millions and millions and millions of followers going after the guy with three followers, he's the bully. Most recently, Lizzo went off on one specific cater who tweeted a video of her performing and wrote, how is Lizzo this fat when she's constantly moving this much on stage? I wonder what she must be eating. She said, I just logged onto this app. This is the type of bleep I see about me on a daily basis. It's really starting to make me hate the world. Well, I mean, you know, a solution to that would not be to do what she did in the video that was at issue where she was wearing a sequin outfit, including a sequin dress, and then she removed the sequin bottom of the dress to reveal that she was essentially wearing a thong. She said, someone in the comment said, I eat a lot of fast food. I literally stopped eating fast food years ago. And then she said, I'm not trying to be fat. I'm not trying to be smaller. I'm literally trying to live and be healthy. This is what my body looks like even when I'm eating super clean and working out, I have doubts. I I have some doubts. Unless she has a genetic condition, it doesn't, because the way that you lose weight is by creating caloric deficit. That is the way that you lose weight in this world. I, I really doubt that she's eating nothing but salad and working out an hour and a half a day to look like she does. And this notion that she's just trying to be healthy. No, you are, you are modeling unhealth because you are. And, and yes, of course being fat is your brand. She says being fat isn't my, my brand being fat is what my body looks like. Well, it's weird since you literally have a brand that is predicated on being large. D doesn't Lizzo, I mean, she has Yi, which is shape where reinvented. Why is it reinvented? Well, because it's designed for all body types with sizes. This according to her website from six x on up. So yes, you literally have a brand built around you being a large person. I mean, what she, she has an entire Netflix show that is, that is rooted around her size. It's called Watch Out for the Big Girls. So yeah, you're making money off, you'll be enlarged. If you go to the Atel route and you lose a bunch of weight, then presumably you'll lose some of your brand. So yeah, again, but we're supposed to pretend that it's not happening and that all the rest. 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believe member group responsible possible hate crime listen theoretically literally false flag dim possibility case like s ha somebody hang news turn person hang news sort activist want bring attention thing possible person school favor pride progress flag show threeyearold decide burn flag know blame conservative act like victim outta bound case end hoax united states not know maybe maybe hoax hoax national story live country national news story person burn flag particular color long color not american flag right national news kid getting generally mutilate hospital country reason yes national news come burning pride progress flag course religious flag lgbtq pride flag hang outside teacher classroom cover window exciting stuff accord accord principal say group teacher drape large lgbtq plus flag teacher classroom window raise flag let know go to strong unite way secular culture work pretty significant ramification broad society momentarily let talk preserve family moment okay mom day 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disorder half woman boy gender dysphoric borderline personality disorder compare control group number assume increase ve create massive social contagion like huge social contagion generation vast number kid go suck sexual fluidity gender ideology number extraordinary mean see thousand percentage point increase trans identity see people bear like identify lgbtq plus minus divide sign good human fulfillment good human society good progeneration society general course course particular wing movement pr pride month symptom symptom complete reorientation human fulfillment away serve community build social connection build generation want screw okay transformation begin ve mention early century romantic movement shelly compatriot idea true lie inside sexual desire imposition sexual desire imposition true threaten authenticity s break open western society combine feeling root narcissistic belief outside root secular atheistic perspective world right thing deeply connect philosophical level 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Jul 10, 2020 Donald Trump spoke with the press on the way to his helicopter on July 10, leaving open the possibility of a Roger Stone pardon. Trump commuted the prison sentence of Stone today, his longtime friend who was convicted of crimes that included lying to Congress. Transcribe Your Own Content Try Rev for free and save time transcribing, captioning, and subtitling. Donald Trump: (00:09)Hello, everybody. We’re going to Miami. We’re going to different parts of Florida today. We’ll be back at about 11 o’clock tonight, and a lot of stops, a lot of very good stuff. We look forward to it. Tropical storm Fay is probably going to be hitting a place called New Jersey, a good place, pretty soon. We are on the watch. We are fully prepared. FEMA’s ready in case it’s bad. It shouldn’t be too bad, but you never know. You never know, but at this moment it’s looking like it’s going to be hitting New Jersey fairly soon. We are fully prepared and other than that, I’ll see you in Miami. Okay? Thank you. Reporters: (00:50)Are you considering [inaudible 00:00:49]? Donald Trump: (00:50)Say it? Reporters: (00:51)What did Joe Biden say? Donald Trump: (00:55)He plagiarized from me, but he can never pull it off. He likes to plagiarizing. It’s a plan that is very radical left, but he said the right things because he’s copping what I’ve done. The difference is he can’t do it and he knows he’s not doing that. He can’t be the same because he’s raising taxes way too much. He’s raising everybody’s taxes. He’s also putting tremendous amounts of regulations back on. Those two things are two primary reasons that I created the greatest economy we’ve ever had. Now we’re creating it again. Okay? Reporters: (01:30)Are you considering pardoning Roger Stone? Donald Trump: (01:33)Well, I’ll be looking at it. I think Roger Stone was very unfairly treated as were many people. In the meantime, Comey and all these guys are walking around including Biden and Obama because we caught them spying on my campaign. Who would have believed that one? Thank you. Transcribe Your Own Content Try Rev and save time transcribing, captioning, and subtitling. Copyright Disclaimer Under Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. Get a weekly digest of the week’s most important transcripts in your inbox. It’s the news, without the news.

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This bill makes enhanced criminal penalties for telemarking or email marketing fraud offenses applicable to telemarking or email fraud offenses that target veterans.

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This bill directs the Department of Agriculture to designate an area of each national forest for production of material to provide revenue for payments under the Secure Rural Schools and Community Self-Determination Act of 2000.

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bill direct department agriculture designate area national forest production material provide revenue payment secure rural school community selfdetermination act

This bill makes states ineligible for funds under the Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act if the state's child protective services system is permitted to (1) remove a child from the custody of the child's parent or legal guardian because the parent or legal guardian is reluctant or refuses to consent to a gender-transition intervention for the child; or (2) use such reluctance or refusal as evidence of abuse or neglect.

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bill make state ineligible fund child abuse prevention treatment act state child protective service system permit remove child custody child parent legal guardian parent legal guardian reluctant refuse consent gendertransition intervention child use reluctance refusal evidence abuse neglect

This bill declares that neither a labor organization's exclusive representation of employees in a bargaining unit, nor the terms of a collective bargaining contract or agreement entered into after enactment of this bill, shall prohibit an employer from paying an employee higher wages, pay, or other compensation than provided for in the contract or agreement.

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bill declare labor organization exclusive representation employee bargaining unit term collective bargaining contract agreement enter enactment bill shall prohibit employer pay employee high wage pay compensation provide contract agreement

This bill replaces provisions governing the compensation provided to a former President. Each former President shall receive from the United States (1) an annuity of $200,000 per year for the remainder of his or her life, and (2) a monetary allowance of $200,000 per year. Such allowance shall be reduced by the amount the former President's earned income exceeds $400,000. These monetary amounts are subject to a cost-of-living increase. The bill increases and provides for cost-of-living adjustments to the monetary allowance for surviving spouses of former Presidents.

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bill replace provision govern compensation provide president president shall receive united states annuity year remainder life monetary allowance year allowance shall reduce president earn income exceed monetary amount subject costofliving increase bill increase provide costoflive adjustment monetary allowance survive spouse president

This bill requires institutions of higher education (IHEs) to disclose information regarding gifts from and contracts with China-affiliated organizations. China-affiliated organization refers to any entity that receives support directly or indirectly from the Chinese government, including certain educational institutes or programs, think tanks, and business entities. Under current law, an IHE must disclose to the Department of Education (ED) a gift or contract from a foreign source that is valued at $250,000 or more, considered alone or in combination with all other gifts from or contracts with that foreign source in a calendar year. This bill establishes a special disclosure rule relating to China-affiliated organizations. Specifically, the bill requires an IHE to disclose a gift from or contract with a China-affiliated organization that is valued at $5,000 or more, considered alone or in combination with all other gifts from or contracts with that organization in a calendar year. Additionally, the bill requires an IHE that receives federal grants to annually file a report with ED that identifies any activities conducted pursuant to a contract or other agreement between the IHE and a China-affiliated organization, including any joint research or academic exchanges. Such a contract or other agreement must be made available on a publicly accessible website of the IHE.

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bill require institution high education ihe disclose information gift contract chinaaffiliate organization chinaaffiliate organization refer entity receive support directly indirectly chinese government include certain educational institute program think tank business entity current law ihe disclose department education ed gift contract foreign source value consider combination gift contract foreign source calendar year bill establish special disclosure rule relate chinaaffiliate organization specifically bill require ihe disclose gift contract chinaaffiliate organization value consider combination gift contract organization calendar year additionally bill require ihe receive federal grant annually file report ed identify activity conduct pursuant contract agreement ihe chinaaffiliate organization include joint research academic exchange contract agreement available publicly accessible website ihe

The bill requires the Department of Homeland Security to waive fees for naturalization and certain immigration-related benefits for the immediate relatives of a Purple Heart recipient. Generally, the children, spouses, and parents of a Purple Heart recipient shall qualify as an immediate relative.

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bill require department homeland security waive fee naturalization certain immigrationrelate benefit immediate relative purple heart recipient generally child spouse parent purple heart recipient shall qualify immediate relative

Speeches, etc. Q1. Mr. Neubert asked the Prime Minister whether he will place in the Library a copy of his speech to the Confederation of Shipbuilding and Engineering Unions at Eastbourne on 30th June concerning wages and inflation. The Prime Minister (Mr. James Callaghan) I did so on 6th July. Mr. Neubert Does the Prime Minister recall that in that speech he spoke of Socialism in action? Where does he rank the doubling of prices in the Government's achievements, and why does he resolutely refuse to forecast inflation beyond the end of this calendar year? The Prime Minister The hon. Gentleman is quite right. What I said I thought was Socialism in action was when the wage earners of this country voluntarily accepted restraint on their wages, in order that the pensioners of this country could have an increase that was far bigger than the increase in wages because it was related to price increases. That is my definition of Socialism in action—when the strong stand back to help the weak. Mr. Ashley Is the Prime Minister aware that any calls for wage moderation are bound to be unpopular but that the response that he has received from Sidney Weighell and other trade union leaders proves that his courageous and very brave stand demanding wage moderation will have a constructive response from the trade unions? The Opposition are bound to oppose it because they are constantly seeking popularity. The Prime Minister The Government's proposals as to what can best be afforded in the way of increased earnings in order to maintain our standards of life will, I hope, be published tomorrow, and, subject to the will of the House and the Lord President's announcement on business, I hope that we can have a full debate on the matter next week. Then, perhaps, we shall learn the attitude of the Opposition. Mrs. Thatcher Now that we know that Denis Healeythe Chancellor of the Exchequer is work[column 780]ing on the assumption that on his policies unemployment will rise to 1.7 million, will the Prime Minister say whether he is working on the same assumption or a different one? The Prime Minister That is not correct. The figures that are included in order to estimate what public expenditure is likely to be over the next three or four years are not forecasts of unemployment. [Interruption.] The hon. Gentleman is very swift this afternoon. They are assumptions that can be altered by policy changes. Indeed, since that figure was published last autumn and sent to the Government Actuary, it has already been twice revised downwards and the new figures have also been published. These variables are so great that they give a spurious precision to any idea that one can attempt to forecast unemployment two or three years ahead. Mrs. Thatcher Does not the Prime Minister recall what the Chancellor of the Exchequer said during the last election campaign, when all his speeches were euphoric—that any party which contemplated unemployment at a level of 1½ million was a party unfit to govern? Is it not time that he took his own medicine? The Prime Minister Yes, Sir, I think that it is true that a level of 1.5 million is unacceptable to everybody in this country. What I also know is that if the policies that have been put forward from the Opposition Dispatch Box were carried out, taking away grants and subsidies as well as other measures, there is no doubt that unemployment in this country would be very much higher than it is. Mr. Whitehead Will my right hon. Friend take heart from the opinion poll today showing that there is a three-to-one majority in support of his economic policies? Is this not a clear indication that the public can distinguish between a concerned approach, such as my right hon. Friend has, and the kind of callow carping that we get from the Opposition? The Prime Minister I do not know whether it is callow carping or an opportunistic attempt to take advantage of every grievance that exists. Whichever way it is, it contrasts with the steady policy that the Government are following in this matter. That is why there is continuing support for the Government. Q2. Mr. Crawford asked the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Thursday 20th July. The Prime Minister This morning I presided at a meeting of the Cabinet. In addition to my duties in this House, I shall be holding meetings with ministerial colleagues and others. Mr. Crawford Now that the Scotland Bill is going through its penultimate stages, may I ask the Prime Minister to take time off today to give us a precise date for the referendum on the Scottish Assembly? Is he aware that the SNP will press him all the way on this matter? The Prime Minister Was the hon. Gentleman saying that he would press the Government or support the Government? I did not quite catch it. Mr. Crawford Can I tell the Prime Minister, Mr. Speaker—— Mr. Speaker Order. Will the hon. Gentleman quickly put his supplementary question again so that the Prime Minister can hear it? Mr. Crawford Will the Prime Minister give a precise date for the holding of a referendum on the Scottish Assembly? The Prime Minister I was hoping to hear from the hon. Gentleman that I was to get some support from the Scottish National Party, which would be a change considering the number of times that it has voted with the Conservatives with the aim of utterly destroying the Bill which would give Scotland an Assembly. Of course we shall give urgent consideration to fixing the date of a referendum as soon as the Bill is through. Orders will have to be laid, as I understand it, which will need the consent of both Houses before we can move to that stage. Mr. Noble Will my right hon. Friend discuss with the Secretary of State for Education and Science and with officials of the education authority in Kingston-upon-Thames the interesting referendum conducted among parents by that education authority about secondary education [column 782]which showed a desire for reorganisation to a non-selective system? Will he find ways and means of ensuring that these democratically expressed wishes are carried into effect as soon as possible? The Prime Minister I am interested to hear of that conclusion. It bears out the policy of the Government—namely, that the people of this country, and parents in particular, want a system of comprehensive education. I am glad to say that since we assumed office the number of children enjoying comprehensive education has increased from 60 to 80 per cent. At the same time, the number of pupils per class has declined and the number of school teachers has increased. Mr. Maxwell-Hyslop As it is the Government's policy to encourage early retirement, and as the Prime Minister has now passed retirement age by two years, may I ask whether his engagements for today include a visit to the Palace to inform Her Majesty when he intends to retire and whether he will suggest as his replacement his ageing Leader of the House or the electrifying Secretary of State for Energy? Mr. Speaker Order. Perhaps I ought to declare an interest here. Mr. McNamara In view of my right hon. Friend's well-known concern for the low-paid and his earlier statement about helping the weak, may I ask whether he will be having any discussions today with the Lord Privy Seal or the Minister of State, Civil Service Department about the industrial civil Service Department about the industrial civil servant, who is very lowly paid? Is he aware that a married man with two children—an employee of the Government on the lower band—can qualify for family income supplement? Is this not a matter which the Government should be considering? The Prime Minister The Lord Privy Seal is ready, through his officials or, indeed, directly, to meet the unions concerned on these matters, but there must be agreement this year to accept the guidelines that the Government laid down 12 months ago in relation to pay increases. Any rearrangement that can be made within that level can, of course, be agreed, but we cannot agree to exceptions. We have fought too hard a battle to give way at this stage. Q3. Mr. Gordon Wilson asked the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Thursday 20th July. The Prime Minister I refer the hon. Member to the reply which I have just given to the hon. Member for Perth and East Perthshire (Mr. Crawford). Mr. Wilson Will the Prime Minister take more time today to reconsider the answer he gave just now in relation to the referendum? It is quite obvious that the Government have not made up their minds and are backsliding. Will he kindly give the House the date of the referendum for which the Scottish people are waiting? The Prime Minister It is a very odd form of backsliding to have to introduce a guillotine and to keep the House sitting late at night in order to get the Bill so that the people of Scotland can take their own decision. Mrs. Winifred Ewing That is not an answer. Hon. Members It was not a question. Mr. Buchan In considering the referendum which the SNP is so keen about will the Prime Minister consider including a question asking whether the Scottish people would like the devaluation of the green pound on the lines suggested by the SNP this afternoon, which would mean another 75p on the cost of the family shopping basket by the end of the year? The Prime Minister I am sure that that question, if put, would get a resounding “No” from the canny and thrifty Scots. That is why the SNP is losing ground so fast nowadays. Q4. Mr. Wyn Roberts asked the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for 20th July. The Prime Minister I refer the hon. Member to the reply which I gave earlier today to the hon. Member for Perth and East Perthshire (Mr. Crawford). Mr. Roberts When the Prime Minister was talking about the estimated 1.7 million unemployed next year, he said that the figure had been revised downwards twice. Could he now say what, in the Government's opinion, is the latest expected unemployment figure for next [column 784]year? Could he give as free an assurance as he has given about the rate of inflation about the expected rate of unemployment, and could he say how dependent that unemployment figure is on a 5 per cent. rate of wage increases in phase 4? The Prime Minister I cannot give the answers to all those questions, but I can tell the hon. Gentleman that the revised assumptions, which are, I understand, technically different from forecasts, were published in May of this year, so I suppose the Opposition will have seen them by now. As to whether the assumptions are dependable, that is a fact on which no one can comment, because—— Mr. Tebbit Give us the numbers. The Prime Minister The hon. Gentleman did not ask the supplementary question—a number of differing factors make up the level of unemployment, as the hon. Member for Conway (Mr. Roberts) knows. If, for example, world trade improves—as I trust it will, following our discussions at Bonn last weekend—that in itself will have a favourable influence, and there are other matters of this sort. Mr. Newens Has my right hon. Friend given any further thought to the deplorable sentences imposed on Soviet dissidents? Does he not agree that it would, even in these circumstances, be totally wrong for us to lessen our efforts to achieve detente? Would it not also be desirable that we should be far more consistent in our denunciation of the abuses of human rights in places like Iran, Indonesia and Saudi Arabia, about which so many right hon. and hon. Gentlemen are silent? The Prime Minister The Government and the Foreign and Commonwealth Secretary made their views known to the Soviet Government about the sentences that have been passed. I agree with my hon. Friend that it is necessary, in the interests of world peace, to pursue the prospects of getting agreements both on a comprehensive test ban treaty and on strategic arms limitation talks. Nor do I rule out, as some seem to do, direct contacts between Soviet citizens and organisations and our own citizens and organisations. I believe it is valuable, provided that we make clear to Soviet organisations what our position is, as I assume [column 785]the right hon. Lady the Leader of the Opposition did yesterday when she met the Soviet Ambassador. If she was not contaminated, I do not believe anybody else need be. Mr. Ian Lloyd Since the Prime Minister may be presumed to be interested in the advance warnings which are available of the sort of catastrophe which arise from advanced forms of Socialism, is there any possibility of his having an early conversation with his opposite number, the Prime Minister of Sweden, to discuss with him the appalling financial consequences for that Government of the present attempts to salvage the shipbuilding industry? Hon. Members It is a Tory Government. The Prime Minister As far as I can remember, the Swedish shipbuilding industry prospered when there was a Socialist Government and has come to grief now that there is a Conservative Government. I think the same would be true in this country. Copyright © Margaret Thatcher Foundation 2024. All Rights Reserved.

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announcement business hope debate matter week shall learn attitude opposition mrs thatcher know denis healeythe chancellor exchequer workcolumn assumption policy unemployment rise million prime minister work assumption different prime minister correct figure include order estimate public expenditure likely year forecast unemployment interruption hon gentleman swift afternoon assumption alter policy change figure publish autumn send government actuary twice revise downward new figure publish variable great spurious precision idea attempt forecast unemployment year ahead mrs thatcher prime minister recall chancellor exchequer say election campaign speech euphoric party contemplate unemployment level million party unfit govern time take medicine prime minister yes sir think true level million unacceptable everybody country know policy forward opposition dispatch box carry take away grant subsidy measure doubt unemployment country high mr whitehead right hon friend heart opinion poll today show threetoone majority support economic policy clear indication public distinguish concerned approach right hon friend kind callow carping opposition prime minister know callow carping opportunistic attempt advantage grievance exist whichever way contrast steady policy government follow matter continue support government mr crawford ask prime minister list official engagement thursday july prime minister morning preside meeting cabinet addition duty house shall hold meeting ministerial colleague mr crawford scotland bill go penultimate stage ask prime minister time today precise date referendum scottish assembly aware snp press way matter prime minister hon gentleman say press government support government catch mr crawford tell prime minister mr speaker mr speaker order hon gentleman quickly supplementary question prime minister hear mr crawford prime minister precise date holding referendum scottish assembly prime minister hope hear hon gentleman support scottish national party change consider number time vote conservative aim utterly destroy bill scotland assembly course shall urgent consideration fix date referendum soon bill order lay understand need consent house stage mr noble right hon friend discuss secretary state education science official education authority kingstonuponthame interesting referendum conduct parent education authority secondary education column show desire reorganisation nonselective system find way mean ensure democratically express wish carry effect soon possible prime minister interested hear conclusion bear policy government people country parent particular want system comprehensive education glad assume office number child enjoy comprehensive education increase cent time number pupil class decline number school teacher increase mr maxwellhyslop government policy encourage early retirement prime minister pass retirement age year ask engagement today include visit palace inform majesty intend retire suggest replacement age leader house electrify secretary state energy mr speaker order ought declare interest mr mcnamara view right hon friend wellknown concern lowpaid early statement help weak ask have discussion today lord privy seal minister state civil service department industrial civil service department industrial civil servant lowly pay aware married man child employee government low band qualify family income supplement matter government consider prime minister lord privy seal ready official directly meet union concern matter agreement year accept guideline government lay month ago relation pay increase rearrangement level course agree agree exception fight hard battle way stage mr gordon wilson ask prime minister list official engagement thursday july prime minister refer hon member reply give hon member perth east perthshire mr crawford mr wilson prime minister time today reconsider answer give relation referendum obvious government mind backslide kindly house date referendum scottish people wait prime minister odd form backslide introduce guillotine house sit late night order bill people scotland decision mrs winifre ewe answer hon member question mr buchan consider referendum snp keen prime minister consider include question ask scottish people like devaluation green pound line suggest snp afternoon mean cost family shopping basket end year prime minister sure question resounding canny thrifty scot snp lose ground fast nowadays mr wyn roberts ask prime minister list official engagement july prime minister refer hon member reply give early today hon member perth east perthshire mr crawford mr roberts prime minister talk estimate million unemployed year say figure revise downwards twice government opinion late expect unemployment figure column free assurance give rate inflation expect rate unemployment dependent unemployment figure cent rate wage increase phase prime minister answer question tell hon gentleman revise assumption understand technically different forecast publish year suppose opposition see assumption dependable fact comment mr tebbit number prime minister hon gentleman ask supplementary question number differ factor level unemployment hon member conway mr roberts know example world trade improve trust follow discussion bonn weekend favourable influence matter sort mr newen right hon friend give thought deplorable sentence impose soviet dissident agree circumstance totally wrong lessen effort achieve detente desirable far consistent denunciation abuse human right place like iran indonesia saudi arabia right hon hon gentleman silent prime minister government foreign commonwealth secretary view know soviet government sentence pass agree hon friend necessary interest world peace pursue prospect get agreement comprehensive test ban treaty strategic arm limitation talk rule direct contact soviet citizen organisation citizen organisation believe valuable provide clear soviet organisation position assume column right hon lady leader opposition yesterday meet soviet ambassador contaminate believe anybody need mr ian lloyd prime minister presume interested advance warning available sort catastrophe arise advanced form socialism possibility have early conversation opposite number prime minister sweden discuss appalling financial consequence government present attempt salvage shipbuilding industry hon member tory government prime minister far remember swedish shipbuilding industry prosper socialist government come grief conservative government think true country copyright margaret thatcher foundation right reserve