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"text": " This is the BBC."
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"text": " Hello and welcome to Podcasting House."
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"text": " And if this is your first time listening,"
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"text": " this is what we get up to."
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"text": " We're about to play you a full episode"
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"text": " of a really great BBC podcast"
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"text": " that we have selected, especially for you."
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"text": " And if you like it, well, you can search for it,"
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"start": 31.439999999999998,
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"text": " wherever you normally listen to your podcasts"
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"text": " and find more episodes."
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"text": " So my name is Rian, and with me, I have Eli."
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"text": " Hello. And what have you brought to the board?"
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"text": " Well, this is Homefront."
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"text": " Yes. Homefront."
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{
"start": 44.879999999999995,
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"text": " Getting into the final furlong."
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"text": " Down the stretch."
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"text": " That's right. It is episode one of the 15th season of Homefront."
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"text": " Yeah."
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"start": 54.08,
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"text": " This tells the story of the First World War"
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"text": " through the eyes of people back at home"
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"text": " who've had friends and family fighting in it,"
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"start": 60.72,
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"text": " or sometimes not."
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"text": " It's fiction, but it's based on loads of research"
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"text": " or research, as you would say in this country."
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"end": 71.52,
"text": " They get released exactly 100 years"
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"start": 71.52,
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"text": " after the events depicted in them"
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"start": 73.92,
"end": 75.52,
"text": " are supposed to have happened."
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"text": " It's an amazing series, isn't it?"
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"text": " Yeah. It has been amazing."
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"start": 78.8,
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"text": " And it's been going on."
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"text": " It's like in their fifth or sixth year now, I think."
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"text": " Yeah. Well, anyway, it all means"
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"text": " that we're coming to the end now"
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"start": 86.0,
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"text": " because the war ended on November 11, 1918."
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"text": " So this is 2018."
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"start": 92.0,
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"text": " Here we are."
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"start": 92.72,
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"text": " So at the end of this episode, you'll"
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"start": 94.08,
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"text": " get to hear an interview that I did with the lead writer"
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"start": 96.56,
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"text": " for the season and the editor of the whole series."
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"start": 98.4,
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"text": " It's a good chat."
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"text": " So stick around."
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"text": " Here it is, episode one of the last season of Homefront."
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"text": " The 24th of September, 1918."
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"text": " Adam Wilson."
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"text": " Adam? Adam?"
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"text": " Oh, morning, Jesse."
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"text": " Are you just going to walk past without saying hello?"
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"text": " No. Sorry."
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"text": " I'm going to go back to the hotel."
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"text": " I'm going to go back to the hotel."
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"text": " I'm going to go back to the hotel."
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"text": " I'm going to go back to the hotel."
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"text": " No. Sorry."
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"text": " What have you done with Jack?"
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"text": " What do you mean? What have I done with him?"
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"text": " I haven't done anything."
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"text": " You're out here with them too, willing, Jack."
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"text": " Oh, I see."
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"text": " I see what you mean. He's got an interview."
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"text": " He did say anything to breakfast."
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"text": " I shouldn't have either."
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"text": " He didn't want anyone to know in case they turned him down."
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"text": " What's the job?"
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"start": 147.28,
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"text": " I've already said too much."
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"text": " Clarke."
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"text": " How do you know?"
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"text": " You're waiting for my side to town hall."
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"text": " I don't suppose he's planning to be a counselor or the mayor."
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"text": " Please don't say I told you."
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"text": " I won't."
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"text": " Because she didn't."
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"text": " I still doesn't explain what the chair's empty."
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"text": " He managed to do the last bit with sticks."
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"start": 161.4,
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"text": " He was worried that if they saw him with the chair,"
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"text": " it would put the muffin pouring in."
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"text": " Everyone seems to be fallin' over themselves"
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"text": " and play war heroes."
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"text": " Doesn't mean that they can just walk into any job."
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"text": " No."
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"text": " Especially not Jack."
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"text": " Not about sticks anyway."
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"text": " There's no need to make fun of him."
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"text": " Sorry."
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"text": " Oh, I didn't mean to."
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"text": " I don't know why I said that."
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"text": " He'll be exhausted by the time he comes."
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"text": " I hope."
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"text": " Yes, that's why I waited for him with the chair."
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"text": " Yeah, yeah, of course."
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"text": " We had a letter from Kitty."
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"text": " The Jacks, eh?"
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"text": " She's come back from Devon tomorrow."
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"text": " With Victor."
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"start": 191.8,
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"text": " Yeah, I think so."
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"start": 192.8,
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"text": " Well, what they say?"
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"text": " Yours are the great ones."
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"text": " I don't know."
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"text": " I hope the way it is at ours, because I'm Mr."
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"text": " Have you?"
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"text": " Yeah, I have."
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"text": " Our Ivy and Dennis."
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"text": " Oh, they're all right."
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"text": " That doesn't sound good."
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"text": " Jack doesn't think they like him very much."
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"text": " Maybe Jack doesn't like them."
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"text": " Of course he likes them."
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"text": " Everybody likes them."
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"text": " So what are you doing here?"
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"text": " I've just been to the windows and keep his lotch."
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"text": " There's nothing wrong with them."
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"text": " How do you know?"
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"text": " I was there with you when you were standing"
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"text": " in the ready to paint."
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"start": 217.32000000000002,
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"text": " Remember?"
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"text": " Well, I wasn't repairing them."
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"text": " Mrs. Lundley wanted shutters, because they're"
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"text": " lighter restrictions."
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"text": " So?"
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " What were you doing?"
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"text": " Mr. Marks asked me to buy him some fish"
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"text": " from my way back to the workshop,"
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"text": " but I can't get downslope road."
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"text": " The trip ship's just come in."
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"text": " I thought so."
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"text": " They've probably started to embark now, though."
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " I suppose."
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"text": " Does it make you think of Sam?"
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"text": " What?"
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"text": " When you see a ship or a boat in the harbor."
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"text": " Does me?"
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"text": " No."
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"text": " Why should it?"
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"text": " Because he stowed away on one when he went missing."
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"start": 246.95999999999998,
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"text": " Yeah, the first time."
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"text": " So he could have done it again, didn't he?"
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"text": " That's what I often think, anyway."
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " I suppose."
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"text": " Maybe you should get down there before they set out."
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"text": " What?"
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"text": " A fish."
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"text": " Oh, yeah."
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"text": " And before Jack comes out of his interior."
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"start": 263.12,
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"text": " Right."
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{
"start": 264.32,
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"text": " Yeah, right."
},
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"text": " Well, uh, nice to have a past the time of the day with you,"
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"text": " Jesse."
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"text": " And you too, Adam."
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"start": 274.52,
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"text": " Ted, awful."
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"text": " I was just going."
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"text": " You're going the wrong way."
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"start": 277.28000000000003,
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"text": " Go back up the high street."
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"text": " What's happened?"
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"text": " The onwards burst into flames."
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"start": 280.04,
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"text": " How I see."
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"text": " No, it's not."
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"text": " Oh, hold on."
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"start": 283.88,
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"text": " You need to get as far away as possible."
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"text": " Look, next to the harbor station."
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"text": " The whole pier will go up next."
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"text": " Is it to see the flames from here?"
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"text": " Look back, Ted."
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"text": " I just want to make sure our boat's safe."
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"start": 291.64000000000004,
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"text": " Even if it isn't, there's nothing we can do about it"
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"start": 293.36,
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"text": " is there."
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"start": 293.88,
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"text": " No, you're right."
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"start": 294.56,
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"text": " But the best way all gets far away as possible."
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"text": " You too, Adam."
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"start": 297.0,
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"text": " But I need to get some fish."
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"text": " There's no one selling fish down there now."
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"text": " So, Scarb, Hood, we couldn't even get near our boat."
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"text": " We were just heading up to the harbor when the troop ship"
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"text": " went up."
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"text": " Excuse me."
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"text": " Excuse me."
},
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"start": 308.04,
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"text": " What are you doing?"
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"start": 309.04,
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"text": " Come back."
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"start": 309.84,
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"text": " Excuse me."
},
{
"start": 310.84,
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"text": " I'm sorry."
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"start": 312.84,
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"text": " We've gelled away."
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"start": 314.4,
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"text": " Excuse me."
},
{
"start": 317.15999999999997,
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"text": " Excuse me."
},
{
"start": 318.56,
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"text": " Excuse me, sorry."
},
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"start": 321.44,
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"text": " Sorry, sorry."
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"start": 323.71999999999997,
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"text": " I need to get through."
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"start": 325.23999999999995,
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"text": " Come back."
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{
"start": 326.23999999999995,
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"text": " Hey, everyone."
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{
"start": 327.23999999999995,
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"text": " Come back."
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"start": 328.23999999999995,
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"text": " They're a part for the part for all."
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"start": 331.88,
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"text": " They're in the area."
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"text": " They're in the area."
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"start": 334.32,
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"text": " What are they doing?"
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"text": " Get back."
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"start": 336.23999999999995,
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"text": " Keep up the harbor, Pierre."
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"start": 338.0,
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"text": " Well, back."
},
{
"start": 339.4,
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"text": " Open the steam, car."
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"start": 341.2,
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"text": " They're going to scat all the ship."
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"start": 342.8,
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"text": " Keep away, Adam."
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{
"start": 344.6,
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"text": " Everybody, please."
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{
"start": 345.8,
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"text": " Stand back."
},
{
"start": 347.2,
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"text": " That includes you as well, sir."
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"start": 348.8,
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"text": " I've left all the tackle on the pier."
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"start": 350.4,
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"text": " Here's the issue."
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"start": 351.4,
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"text": " Ready."
},
{
"start": 352.4,
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"text": " All my base."
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"start": 353.2,
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"text": " Stay where you are."
},
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"start": 354.2,
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"text": " You came."
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{
"start": 354.8,
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"text": " Once, get forwards, Erwin."
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"start": 355.8,
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"text": " You'll be in the water."
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"text": " What looks like you were right, Sarnaritz."
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"text": " Adam was a dead-end, er, up in."
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"text": " All safely up."
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"text": " Now, to know that's all of them."
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"text": " You're going to better and safer, Pierre, from the dock."
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"text": " What?"
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"text": " What?"
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"text": " It's going to fall off."
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"text": " What?"
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"text": " Let me have a go."
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"text": " All right."
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"text": " One more."
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"text": " Oh."
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"text": " Well done, son."
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"text": " Well done."
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"text": " I thought we were both gone."
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"text": " Oh."
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"text": " You'll be so proud of you."
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"text": " What am I thinking?"
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"text": " I'm going to have to take statements from everyone about what he's sure."
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"text": " You stay here and get your breath back while we do that."
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"text": " I should really get back to work."
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"text": " You and I are going nowhere until we've had a nice strong cup of tea."
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"text": " And when we've finished, I walk back with you."
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"text": " Adam, an explain to your boss."
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"text": " What happened?"
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"text": " Oh, there you are."
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"text": " I'm so sorry, Mr. Marx."
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"text": " I'll send you for some fish and you think you can shilly, shally for hours."
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"text": " I can explain."
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"text": " Mr. Marx?"
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"text": " And you bring the law with you, Karl."
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"text": " What have you done?"
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"text": " If you've been arrested, I've got no option but to sack you."
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"text": " Can't have any bad publicity."
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"text": " It's hard enough for me with everyone's thinking I'm German."
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"text": " Don't want that, I'm telling you."
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"text": " A troop ship caught fire, Mr. Marx, when I was down at the harbour."
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"text": " Amt you heard about it?"
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"text": " So that was a commotion I couldn't look up."
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"text": " So much work to get through being as I was on my own."
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"text": " The train in the station would have been pulled into the water if it wasn't for the quick thinking of your apprentice here."
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"text": " What?"
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"text": " Adam is a hero."
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"text": " Show him."
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"text": " Show him the chisel."
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"text": " I'm afraid the handle took quite a pattern from the hammer blow."
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"text": " It was the only way to cut the cable."
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"text": " Let me see though."
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"text": " It got caught around the train."
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"text": " Adam probably saved his life."
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"text": " Not to mention the damage to the harbour if the train hadn't gone in."
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"text": " With this chisel."
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"text": " I'm sorry."
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"text": " You can take it out my wages."
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"text": " I'll tell you what I'm going to do."
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"text": " I'm going to put it in a glass cabinet with a plaque with your name on."
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"text": " Oh, I almost forgot."
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"text": " Here's your fish."
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"text": " They gave it to me for free."
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"text": " And here's your money."
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"text": " You keep it, Adam."
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"text": " And the fish."
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"text": " And take the rest of the day off."
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"text": " Really?"
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"text": " Yes."
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"text": " Really."
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"text": " One more thing."
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"text": " Well, let me..."
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"text": " Straight up your hand."
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"text": " I'll say this for him."
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"text": " He might be German, but he's fair."
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " I know."
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"text": " And you're allowed to take a moment to be proud of yourself."
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"text": " Pride is a sin."
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"text": " Well, ever knows, I'm no vicar, but I think that means boastfulness."
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"text": " What you did today is as brave as any act on a battlefield."
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"text": " So you're allowed to be proud."
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"end": 645.8,
"text": " Prouder."
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"text": " Because instead of taking life, you saved life."
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"text": " Hardly."
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"text": " I hope you don't mind me saying this."
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"text": " But it seemed to say you didn't care."
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"text": " I wouldn't have done it if I didn't care."
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"end": 657.8,
"text": " Now, I'm not talking about the train or a pier."
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"text": " It was as if you didn't care about yourself."
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"text": " The way you ignored me and rushed forward regardless."
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"end": 664.8,
"text": " I hope you look at her recipe for that."
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"end": 665.8,
"text": " Of course not."
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"start": 665.8,
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"text": " I'm just thinking it must be hard for you with your father away fighting."
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"text": " No harder than it is for anyone else."
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"text": " Wait till Albert is about this."
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"text": " I don't want to worry him."
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"text": " Besides, be far deeured from him."
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"start": 676.8,
"end": 678.8,
"text": " Not much of a letter, right?"
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"start": 678.8,
"end": 680.8,
"text": " I think you might be working behind the lines."
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"start": 680.8,
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"text": " Do them all."
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"text": " I don't know."
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"text": " Probably something heroic."
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"start": 683.8,
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"text": " The winner's a war."
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"start": 685.8,
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"text": " Father like son, eh?"
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{
"start": 686.8,
"end": 687.8,
"text": " Oh, well, look."
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"start": 687.8,
"end": 689.8,
"text": " He's your Jack with Jessie."
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{
"start": 689.8,
"end": 690.8,
"text": " Wait till she is."
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{
"start": 690.8,
"end": 692.8,
"text": " Hello Sergeant Harris."
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"start": 692.8,
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"text": " Adam, how are you?"
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{
"start": 694.8,
"end": 696.8,
"text": " Well, it's been quite a morning, one way or another."
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"end": 698.8,
"text": " Adam, how did he go, Jack?"
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"end": 699.8,
"text": " Did you get the job?"
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"end": 700.8,
"text": " No."
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"text": " I asked you not to say anything."
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"text": " Sorry."
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"text": " That was the last thing I said to you."
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"text": " And I'd work here."
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"text": " They don't hear about that now, Sergeant Harris."
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"text": " I've got some fresh fish for supper."
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"text": " You'll come on your Jessie. There's plenty."
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"text": " I would, but Ivy's invited Jack to suffer."
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"text": " So, is it safe to go down to the harbour now?"
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"text": " Let's get to Ivy's before the fish start walking there by themselves."
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"text": " Cheerio, then."
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"text": " Bye."
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"text": " Bye."
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"text": " Why didn't you want me to say anything?"
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"text": " So there is the dramatic opening episode of season 15 of Homefront."
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"text": " That's right."
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"text": " Now, the fire on the HMT onward is real history."
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"text": " And it happened in Folkstone."
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"text": " well, we'll put these characters in this street and that's where they'll live."
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"text": " How far away. How very often?"
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"text": " It's really interesting. We got called out talking about the Easter Rising in Dublin."
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"text": " that they've played such a role."
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"text": " or would you say, no, go back, go back to episode one?"
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"text": " You can basically randomly listen until you find something that it's here."
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"text": " Right, okay."
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"text": " The same way each episode is told from the point of view of one character."
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"text": " So that was an incredibly useful decision made really early on."
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"text": " I think it was actually your daughter's idea."
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"text": " although sometimes we did cheat, of course."
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"text": " But it was a great rule actually for each time you felt like you were writing a self-contained play."
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"text": " The character names are good, sorry."
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"text": " I'm just chucking those names out there."
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"text": " But you could just sit down with them and not worry about everybody else."
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"text": " And it was a nice puzzle actually, a nice maths puzzle trying to work out how you could tell."
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"text": " And the other thing which I think is really great about it is you can change the tone from day to day"
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"text": " You don't have to be as sad as you are at the end of the last episode."
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"text": " Each episode does tell a kind of self, there's a self-contained story there."
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"text": " But then you could also start to put the pieces together by listening to it."
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"text": " But to begin with, it's not frightening."
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"text": " You've lived and worked with these actors for, I mean, most people who do, if you did a show in the West End or something,"
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"text": " it probably wouldn't last for five years."
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"text": " And even after a couple of three months, you get pretty attached to people you work with or the characters that you've been playing."
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"text": " How has that been to realize that this is finishing and that these characters, you're not going to write more scenes with them."
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"text": " It's just been so awful."
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"text": " And I knew I was going to be sad and then I felt like an idiot when I didn't realize how sad."
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"text": " Because all summer when we were recording the last season, because we've had a tremendous amount of fun working on this program."
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"text": " Because it was, it just couldn't stop thinking, yeah, but it is over now."
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"text": " But it is basically over now."
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"text": " About halfway through a film when I was little I would get start getting sad."
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"text": " And my god, we've just got one more scene to do. It was really sad."
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"text": " You'll be sad to not be working as closely so often with them."
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"text": " Do you find yourself wondering about them or imagining things that they're doing and wishing that you could express that somehow?"
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " I mean, it's a well shaped story."
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"text": " So the stories have endings."
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"text": " So their continued existence beyond the story depends on the kind of fiction consumer you are."
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"text": " There's been kind of mooted. We're not going to do it."
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"text": " There's been mooted the idea that we skip forward to the second world war and revisit the same characters."
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"text": " And so you do get this lurch of, oh my god, you know, the children that we've birthed over five years, they're all going to have to fight."
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"text": " They're all going to be involved."
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"text": " But of course that's ridiculous because they don't exist."
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"text": " And we're not going to do it."
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"text": " But you have allowed yourself though, isn't there one, there's a kind of a special bonus episode?"
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"text": " Yes."
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"text": " There is one year later."
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"text": " Which I'm so glad that's how we did it."
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"text": " Because it's got that kind of to the lighthouse structure, do you know the Virginia Wolf book?"
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"text": " It's been a while."
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"text": " So you just go detail, detail, detail for, I don't know, like 80% of the book."
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"text": " And then 20% of the book is, come on, catch up."
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"text": " All of this has happened since."
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"text": " And as a way of kind of shaking the story off as well as giving it another ending, it's been really great."
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"text": " And I think it's the most beautiful play."
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"text": " And that goes out on the 10th of November."
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"text": " And we'll also be available as a podcast."
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{
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"text": " Thank you very much, Katie."
},
{
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"text": " And thank you, Jessica, for coming in to talk with us about this."
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"text": " If you liked that episode of Homefront, please search for it, subscribe, dip in wherever you'd like."
},
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"text": " You can start at the beginning, you can start in the middle, you can start with this one."
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"text": " And then you can start up online, I think until 2028."
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"text": " Is that right?"
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"text": " Something like that?"
},
{
"start": 1582.8,
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"text": " That's right."
},
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"text": " So we're available for a good online."
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"text": " Great. Well, thank you."
},
{
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"text": " Thank you."
},
{
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"text": " Thank you."
},
{
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"text": " So there you go, Rianne."
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"text": " Do you want to have anything you want to add in here about Homefront?"
},
{
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"text": " Well, the great thing about Homefront is that you can, if you missed the beginning of this,"
},
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"text": " you can start listening and really get into it."
},
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"text": " It's all there, which doesn't happen that often for drama."
},
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"start": 1606.8,
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"text": " The whole lot is there and you can just immerse yourself in the world."
},
{
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"text": " And it's been an amazing world that they've created over the last few years."
},
{
"start": 1614.8,
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"text": " See you next time."
},
{
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"end": 1632.8,
"text": " Bye."
}
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