[ { "start": 0.0, "end": 2.0, "text": " This is the BBC." }, { "start": 17.68, "end": 19.84, "text": " Hello and welcome to Podcasting House." }, { "start": 19.84, "end": 21.52, "text": " And if this is your first time listening," }, { "start": 21.52, "end": 23.12, "text": " this is what we get up to." }, { "start": 23.12, "end": 25.44, "text": " We're about to play you a full episode" }, { "start": 25.44, "end": 27.44, "text": " of a really great BBC podcast" }, { "start": 27.44, "end": 29.36, "text": " that we have selected, especially for you." }, { "start": 29.36, "end": 31.439999999999998, "text": " And if you like it, well, you can search for it," }, { "start": 31.439999999999998, "end": 33.519999999999996, "text": " wherever you normally listen to your podcasts" }, { "start": 33.519999999999996, "end": 35.04, "text": " and find more episodes." }, { "start": 35.04, "end": 38.08, "text": " So my name is Rian, and with me, I have Eli." }, { "start": 38.08, "end": 40.72, "text": " Hello. And what have you brought to the board?" }, { "start": 40.72, "end": 43.04, "text": " Well, this is Homefront." }, { "start": 43.04, "end": 44.879999999999995, "text": " Yes. Homefront." }, { "start": 44.879999999999995, "end": 46.879999999999995, "text": " Getting into the final furlong." }, { "start": 46.879999999999995, "end": 47.92, "text": " Down the stretch." }, { "start": 47.92, "end": 53.04, "text": " That's right. It is episode one of the 15th season of Homefront." }, { "start": 53.04, "end": 54.08, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 54.08, "end": 56.16, "text": " This tells the story of the First World War" }, { "start": 56.16, "end": 58.16, "text": " through the eyes of people back at home" }, { "start": 58.16, "end": 60.72, "text": " who've had friends and family fighting in it," }, { "start": 60.72, "end": 62.16, "text": " or sometimes not." }, { "start": 62.16, "end": 65.28, "text": " It's fiction, but it's based on loads of research" }, { "start": 65.28, "end": 67.75999999999999, "text": " or research, as you would say in this country." }, { "start": 67.75999999999999, "end": 71.52, "text": " They get released exactly 100 years" }, { "start": 71.52, "end": 73.92, "text": " after the events depicted in them" }, { "start": 73.92, "end": 75.52, "text": " are supposed to have happened." }, { "start": 75.52, "end": 77.19999999999999, "text": " It's an amazing series, isn't it?" }, { "start": 77.19999999999999, "end": 78.8, "text": " Yeah. It has been amazing." }, { "start": 78.8, "end": 80.24, "text": " And it's been going on." }, { "start": 80.24, "end": 83.19999999999999, "text": " It's like in their fifth or sixth year now, I think." }, { "start": 83.19999999999999, "end": 84.8, "text": " Yeah. Well, anyway, it all means" }, { "start": 84.8, "end": 86.0, "text": " that we're coming to the end now" }, { "start": 86.0, "end": 89.76, "text": " because the war ended on November 11, 1918." }, { "start": 89.76, "end": 92.0, "text": " So this is 2018." }, { "start": 92.0, "end": 92.72, "text": " Here we are." }, { "start": 92.72, "end": 94.08, "text": " So at the end of this episode, you'll" }, { "start": 94.08, "end": 96.56, "text": " get to hear an interview that I did with the lead writer" }, { "start": 96.56, "end": 98.4, "text": " for the season and the editor of the whole series." }, { "start": 98.4, "end": 99.2, "text": " It's a good chat." }, { "start": 99.2, "end": 99.92, "text": " So stick around." }, { "start": 99.92, "end": 103.68, "text": " Here it is, episode one of the last season of Homefront." }, { "start": 104.08000000000001, "end": 110.08000000000001, "text": " The 24th of September, 1918." }, { "start": 110.08000000000001, "end": 114.08000000000001, "text": " Adam Wilson." }, { "start": 116.08000000000001, "end": 118.08000000000001, "text": " Adam? Adam?" }, { "start": 118.08000000000001, "end": 120.08000000000001, "text": " Oh, morning, Jesse." }, { "start": 120.08000000000001, "end": 122.08000000000001, "text": " Are you just going to walk past without saying hello?" }, { "start": 122.08000000000001, "end": 124.08000000000001, "text": " No. Sorry." }, { "start": 124.08000000000001, "end": 126.08000000000001, "text": " I'm going to go back to the hotel." }, { "start": 126.08000000000001, "end": 128.08, "text": " I'm going to go back to the hotel." }, { "start": 128.08, "end": 130.08, "text": " I'm going to go back to the hotel." }, { "start": 130.08, "end": 132.08, "text": " I'm going to go back to the hotel." }, { "start": 132.08, "end": 134.0, "text": " No. Sorry." }, { "start": 134.0, "end": 135.04000000000002, "text": " What have you done with Jack?" }, { "start": 135.04000000000002, "end": 136.48000000000002, "text": " What do you mean? What have I done with him?" }, { "start": 136.48000000000002, "end": 137.48000000000002, "text": " I haven't done anything." }, { "start": 137.48000000000002, "end": 139.04000000000002, "text": " You're out here with them too, willing, Jack." }, { "start": 139.04000000000002, "end": 139.88000000000002, "text": " Oh, I see." }, { "start": 139.88000000000002, "end": 141.36, "text": " I see what you mean. He's got an interview." }, { "start": 141.36, "end": 142.88000000000002, "text": " He did say anything to breakfast." }, { "start": 142.88000000000002, "end": 143.76000000000002, "text": " I shouldn't have either." }, { "start": 143.76000000000002, "end": 146.52, "text": " He didn't want anyone to know in case they turned him down." }, { "start": 146.52, "end": 147.28, "text": " What's the job?" }, { "start": 147.28, "end": 148.36, "text": " I've already said too much." }, { "start": 148.36, "end": 149.20000000000002, "text": " Clarke." }, { "start": 149.20000000000002, "end": 150.04000000000002, "text": " How do you know?" }, { "start": 150.04000000000002, "end": 151.88000000000002, "text": " You're waiting for my side to town hall." }, { "start": 151.88000000000002, "end": 154.32000000000002, "text": " I don't suppose he's planning to be a counselor or the mayor." }, { "start": 154.32000000000002, "end": 155.4, "text": " Please don't say I told you." }, { "start": 155.4, "end": 156.32000000000002, "text": " I won't." }, { "start": 156.32000000000002, "end": 157.44, "text": " Because she didn't." }, { "start": 157.44, "end": 159.68, "text": " I still doesn't explain what the chair's empty." }, { "start": 159.68, "end": 161.4, "text": " He managed to do the last bit with sticks." }, { "start": 161.4, "end": 163.08, "text": " He was worried that if they saw him with the chair," }, { "start": 163.08, "end": 164.44, "text": " it would put the muffin pouring in." }, { "start": 164.44, "end": 165.92000000000002, "text": " Everyone seems to be fallin' over themselves" }, { "start": 165.92000000000002, "end": 166.84, "text": " and play war heroes." }, { "start": 166.84, "end": 168.64000000000001, "text": " Doesn't mean that they can just walk into any job." }, { "start": 168.64000000000001, "end": 170.12, "text": " No." }, { "start": 170.12, "end": 171.84, "text": " Especially not Jack." }, { "start": 171.84, "end": 173.0, "text": " Not about sticks anyway." }, { "start": 173.0, "end": 174.16, "text": " There's no need to make fun of him." }, { "start": 174.16, "end": 175.52, "text": " Sorry." }, { "start": 175.52, "end": 177.36, "text": " Oh, I didn't mean to." }, { "start": 177.36, "end": 179.72, "text": " I don't know why I said that." }, { "start": 179.72, "end": 180.92000000000002, "text": " He'll be exhausted by the time he comes." }, { "start": 180.92000000000002, "end": 181.6, "text": " I hope." }, { "start": 181.6, "end": 183.88, "text": " Yes, that's why I waited for him with the chair." }, { "start": 183.88, "end": 186.92000000000002, "text": " Yeah, yeah, of course." }, { "start": 186.92000000000002, "end": 188.44, "text": " We had a letter from Kitty." }, { "start": 188.44, "end": 189.84, "text": " The Jacks, eh?" }, { "start": 189.84, "end": 191.08, "text": " She's come back from Devon tomorrow." }, { "start": 191.08, "end": 191.8, "text": " With Victor." }, { "start": 191.8, "end": 192.8, "text": " Yeah, I think so." }, { "start": 192.8, "end": 193.60000000000002, "text": " Well, what they say?" }, { "start": 193.60000000000002, "end": 194.44000000000003, "text": " Yours are the great ones." }, { "start": 194.44000000000003, "end": 195.52, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 195.52, "end": 197.44000000000003, "text": " I hope the way it is at ours, because I'm Mr." }, { "start": 197.44000000000003, "end": 198.36, "text": " Have you?" }, { "start": 198.36, "end": 200.04000000000002, "text": " Yeah, I have." }, { "start": 200.04000000000002, "end": 201.32000000000002, "text": " Our Ivy and Dennis." }, { "start": 201.32000000000002, "end": 202.64000000000001, "text": " Oh, they're all right." }, { "start": 202.64000000000001, "end": 203.84, "text": " That doesn't sound good." }, { "start": 203.84, "end": 205.36, "text": " Jack doesn't think they like him very much." }, { "start": 205.36, "end": 206.52, "text": " Maybe Jack doesn't like them." }, { "start": 206.52, "end": 207.68, "text": " Of course he likes them." }, { "start": 207.68, "end": 209.88000000000002, "text": " Everybody likes them." }, { "start": 209.88000000000002, "end": 211.60000000000002, "text": " So what are you doing here?" }, { "start": 211.60000000000002, "end": 213.48000000000002, "text": " I've just been to the windows and keep his lotch." }, { "start": 213.48000000000002, "end": 214.36, "text": " There's nothing wrong with them." }, { "start": 214.36, "end": 215.12, "text": " How do you know?" }, { "start": 215.12, "end": 216.52, "text": " I was there with you when you were standing" }, { "start": 216.52, "end": 217.32000000000002, "text": " in the ready to paint." }, { "start": 217.32000000000002, "end": 218.72000000000003, "text": " Remember?" }, { "start": 218.72000000000003, "end": 220.60000000000002, "text": " Well, I wasn't repairing them." }, { "start": 220.6, "end": 221.92, "text": " Mrs. Lundley wanted shutters, because they're" }, { "start": 221.92, "end": 223.44, "text": " lighter restrictions." }, { "start": 223.44, "end": 224.07999999999998, "text": " So?" }, { "start": 224.07999999999998, "end": 225.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 225.0, "end": 226.16, "text": " What were you doing?" }, { "start": 226.16, "end": 227.64, "text": " Mr. Marks asked me to buy him some fish" }, { "start": 227.64, "end": 229.35999999999999, "text": " from my way back to the workshop," }, { "start": 229.35999999999999, "end": 230.68, "text": " but I can't get downslope road." }, { "start": 230.68, "end": 231.68, "text": " The trip ship's just come in." }, { "start": 231.68, "end": 232.32, "text": " I thought so." }, { "start": 232.32, "end": 234.32, "text": " They've probably started to embark now, though." }, { "start": 234.32, "end": 235.04, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 235.04, "end": 236.84, "text": " I suppose." }, { "start": 236.84, "end": 238.24, "text": " Does it make you think of Sam?" }, { "start": 238.24, "end": 238.92, "text": " What?" }, { "start": 238.92, "end": 241.24, "text": " When you see a ship or a boat in the harbor." }, { "start": 241.24, "end": 242.07999999999998, "text": " Does me?" }, { "start": 242.07999999999998, "end": 243.6, "text": " No." }, { "start": 243.6, "end": 244.79999999999998, "text": " Why should it?" }, { "start": 244.79999999999998, "end": 246.95999999999998, "text": " Because he stowed away on one when he went missing." }, { "start": 246.95999999999998, "end": 248.24, "text": " Yeah, the first time." }, { "start": 248.24, "end": 250.51999999999998, "text": " So he could have done it again, didn't he?" }, { "start": 250.52, "end": 252.16, "text": " That's what I often think, anyway." }, { "start": 252.16, "end": 253.64000000000001, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 253.64000000000001, "end": 255.84, "text": " I suppose." }, { "start": 255.84, "end": 258.32, "text": " Maybe you should get down there before they set out." }, { "start": 258.32, "end": 258.92, "text": " What?" }, { "start": 258.92, "end": 259.8, "text": " A fish." }, { "start": 259.8, "end": 261.04, "text": " Oh, yeah." }, { "start": 261.04, "end": 263.12, "text": " And before Jack comes out of his interior." }, { "start": 263.12, "end": 264.32, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 264.32, "end": 265.52, "text": " Yeah, right." }, { "start": 265.52, "end": 269.16, "text": " Well, uh, nice to have a past the time of the day with you," }, { "start": 269.16, "end": 269.68, "text": " Jesse." }, { "start": 269.68, "end": 270.72, "text": " And you too, Adam." }, { "start": 274.52, "end": 275.68, "text": " Ted, awful." }, { "start": 275.68, "end": 276.40000000000003, "text": " I was just going." }, { "start": 276.40000000000003, "end": 277.28000000000003, "text": " You're going the wrong way." }, { "start": 277.28000000000003, "end": 278.2, "text": " Go back up the high street." }, { "start": 278.2, "end": 279.2, "text": " What's happened?" }, { "start": 279.2, "end": 280.04, "text": " The onwards burst into flames." }, { "start": 280.04, "end": 280.88, "text": " How I see." }, { "start": 280.88, "end": 282.88, "text": " No, it's not." }, { "start": 282.88, "end": 283.88, "text": " Oh, hold on." }, { "start": 283.88, "end": 285.44, "text": " You need to get as far away as possible." }, { "start": 285.44, "end": 287.08000000000004, "text": " Look, next to the harbor station." }, { "start": 287.08000000000004, "end": 288.20000000000005, "text": " The whole pier will go up next." }, { "start": 288.20000000000005, "end": 289.24, "text": " Is it to see the flames from here?" }, { "start": 289.24, "end": 290.28000000000003, "text": " Look back, Ted." }, { "start": 290.28000000000003, "end": 291.64000000000004, "text": " I just want to make sure our boat's safe." }, { "start": 291.64000000000004, "end": 293.36, "text": " Even if it isn't, there's nothing we can do about it" }, { "start": 293.36, "end": 293.88, "text": " is there." }, { "start": 293.88, "end": 294.56, "text": " No, you're right." }, { "start": 294.56, "end": 296.24, "text": " But the best way all gets far away as possible." }, { "start": 296.24, "end": 297.0, "text": " You too, Adam." }, { "start": 297.0, "end": 298.16, "text": " But I need to get some fish." }, { "start": 298.16, "end": 299.64000000000004, "text": " There's no one selling fish down there now." }, { "start": 299.64000000000004, "end": 301.72, "text": " So, Scarb, Hood, we couldn't even get near our boat." }, { "start": 301.72, "end": 305.04, "text": " We were just heading up to the harbor when the troop ship" }, { "start": 305.04, "end": 306.04, "text": " went up." }, { "start": 306.04, "end": 307.32000000000005, "text": " Excuse me." }, { "start": 307.32000000000005, "end": 308.04, "text": " Excuse me." }, { "start": 308.04, "end": 309.04, "text": " What are you doing?" }, { "start": 309.04, "end": 309.84000000000003, "text": " Come back." }, { "start": 309.84, "end": 310.84, "text": " Excuse me." }, { "start": 310.84, "end": 312.84, "text": " I'm sorry." }, { "start": 312.84, "end": 314.4, "text": " We've gelled away." }, { "start": 314.4, "end": 317.15999999999997, "text": " Excuse me." }, { "start": 317.15999999999997, "end": 318.56, "text": " Excuse me." }, { "start": 318.56, "end": 321.44, "text": " Excuse me, sorry." }, { "start": 321.44, "end": 323.71999999999997, "text": " Sorry, sorry." }, { "start": 323.71999999999997, "end": 325.23999999999995, "text": " I need to get through." }, { "start": 325.23999999999995, "end": 326.23999999999995, "text": " Come back." }, { "start": 326.23999999999995, "end": 327.23999999999995, "text": " Hey, everyone." }, { "start": 327.23999999999995, "end": 328.23999999999995, "text": " Come back." }, { "start": 328.23999999999995, "end": 331.88, "text": " They're a part for the part for all." }, { "start": 331.88, "end": 333.23999999999995, "text": " They're in the area." }, { "start": 333.23999999999995, "end": 334.32, "text": " They're in the area." }, { "start": 334.32, "end": 335.32, "text": " What are they doing?" }, { "start": 335.32, "end": 336.23999999999995, "text": " Get back." }, { "start": 336.23999999999995, "end": 338.0, "text": " Keep up the harbor, Pierre." }, { "start": 338.0, "end": 339.4, "text": " Well, back." }, { "start": 339.4, "end": 341.2, "text": " Open the steam, car." }, { "start": 341.2, "end": 342.8, "text": " They're going to scat all the ship." }, { "start": 342.8, "end": 344.6, "text": " Keep away, Adam." }, { "start": 344.6, "end": 345.8, "text": " Everybody, please." }, { "start": 345.8, "end": 347.2, "text": " Stand back." }, { "start": 347.2, "end": 348.8, "text": " That includes you as well, sir." }, { "start": 348.8, "end": 350.4, "text": " I've left all the tackle on the pier." }, { "start": 350.4, "end": 351.4, "text": " Here's the issue." }, { "start": 351.4, "end": 352.4, "text": " Ready." }, { "start": 352.4, "end": 353.2, "text": " All my base." }, { "start": 353.2, "end": 354.2, "text": " Stay where you are." }, { "start": 354.2, "end": 354.8, "text": " You came." }, { "start": 354.8, "end": 355.8, "text": " Once, get forwards, Erwin." }, { "start": 355.8, "end": 356.8, "text": " You'll be in the water." }, { "start": 356.8, "end": 357.8, "text": " Outline in Singapore." }, { "start": 357.8, "end": 358.8, "text": " Two." }, { "start": 358.8, "end": 359.8, "text": " Three." }, { "start": 359.8, "end": 360.8, "text": " Open." }, { "start": 360.8, "end": 362.4, "text": " What looks like you were right, Sarnaritz." }, { "start": 362.4, "end": 363.4, "text": " Get away." }, { "start": 363.4, "end": 364.8, "text": " I won't tell you again." }, { "start": 364.8, "end": 366.8, "text": " I'm going." }, { "start": 367.0, "end": 369.2, "text": " The 80-year-old, yes, hurry and pick." }, { "start": 369.2, "end": 370.2, "text": " Get back." }, { "start": 370.2, "end": 372.40000000000003, "text": " Get us one away as you can." }, { "start": 372.40000000000003, "end": 373.40000000000003, "text": " It's not to listen." }, { "start": 373.40000000000003, "end": 374.40000000000003, "text": " Look." }, { "start": 374.40000000000003, "end": 375.8, "text": " Adam was a dead-end, er, up in." }, { "start": 375.8, "end": 376.8, "text": " Who are the crew?" }, { "start": 376.8, "end": 377.8, "text": " All safely up." }, { "start": 377.8, "end": 378.8, "text": " The mid-warly went out." }, { "start": 378.8, "end": 380.40000000000003, "text": " I mean, the fire crew." }, { "start": 380.40000000000003, "end": 381.6, "text": " They're coming up now." }, { "start": 381.6, "end": 383.6, "text": " Look, one, two, three of them." }, { "start": 383.6, "end": 384.6, "text": " Move, Adam." }, { "start": 384.6, "end": 385.8, "text": " Now, to know that's all of them." }, { "start": 385.8, "end": 388.2, "text": " I can't be them on, and I've just can't be them off." }, { "start": 388.2, "end": 389.8, "text": " Move away, everyone." }, { "start": 389.8, "end": 391.40000000000003, "text": " Get right back." }, { "start": 391.40000000000003, "end": 394.0, "text": " You're going to better and safer, Pierre, from the dock." }, { "start": 394.0, "end": 395.0, "text": " The train." }, { "start": 395.0, "end": 396.40000000000003, "text": " The cable's gone around the engine." }, { "start": 396.4, "end": 398.4, "text": " Where your own straight lead, please." }, { "start": 398.4, "end": 399.79999999999995, "text": " The witch cable, look." }, { "start": 399.79999999999995, "end": 400.79999999999995, "text": " Look, it's cool." }, { "start": 400.79999999999995, "end": 401.79999999999995, "text": " Stand no way." }, { "start": 401.79999999999995, "end": 402.59999999999997, "text": " Keep right back." }, { "start": 402.59999999999997, "end": 404.2, "text": " It's going to pull the train into the sea." }, { "start": 404.2, "end": 405.2, "text": " The driver's there." }, { "start": 405.2, "end": 406.2, "text": " Leave it here." }, { "start": 406.2, "end": 407.79999999999995, "text": " He won't be able to do it in his own." }, { "start": 407.79999999999995, "end": 410.4, "text": " Adam, come back here." }, { "start": 410.4, "end": 411.4, "text": " Adam." }, { "start": 414.79999999999995, "end": 415.79999999999995, "text": " Let me help." }, { "start": 415.79999999999995, "end": 416.79999999999995, "text": " The train helped." }, { "start": 416.79999999999995, "end": 418.0, "text": " If the cable's still heavy," }, { "start": 418.0, "end": 419.79999999999995, "text": " let go of the sides of the vehicle." }, { "start": 419.79999999999995, "end": 421.4, "text": " The train is cool." }, { "start": 421.4, "end": 422.59999999999997, "text": " You'll pull the train in." }, { "start": 422.59999999999997, "end": 423.59999999999997, "text": " You have to go out here." }, { "start": 423.59999999999997, "end": 424.59999999999997, "text": " Pull this." }, { "start": 424.6, "end": 426.8, "text": " Don't walk through his hole, it's still." }, { "start": 426.8, "end": 427.8, "text": " The hole is still." }, { "start": 427.8, "end": 429.20000000000005, "text": " My dad, you're going with the hole." }, { "start": 429.20000000000005, "end": 430.20000000000005, "text": " The chisel's still." }, { "start": 430.20000000000005, "end": 433.20000000000005, "text": " You're going better because the hole is still." }, { "start": 433.20000000000005, "end": 434.20000000000005, "text": " Keep holding it." }, { "start": 434.20000000000005, "end": 435.20000000000005, "text": " And again." }, { "start": 435.20000000000005, "end": 436.20000000000005, "text": " Again." }, { "start": 436.20000000000005, "end": 437.20000000000005, "text": " Again." }, { "start": 437.20000000000005, "end": 438.20000000000005, "text": " Again." }, { "start": 438.20000000000005, "end": 439.20000000000005, "text": " I'm going over." }, { "start": 439.20000000000005, "end": 440.20000000000005, "text": " Adam." }, { "start": 440.20000000000005, "end": 441.20000000000005, "text": " That's a lot." }, { "start": 441.20000000000005, "end": 443.20000000000005, "text": " Come away now." }, { "start": 443.20000000000005, "end": 445.0, "text": " You're getting cool, Pierre." }, { "start": 445.0, "end": 446.0, "text": " Adam." }, { "start": 446.0, "end": 448.0, "text": " He's going to say." }, { "start": 448.0, "end": 449.0, "text": " You're going over." }, { "start": 449.0, "end": 450.20000000000005, "text": " You had to get away from there." }, { "start": 450.20000000000005, "end": 451.20000000000005, "text": " You're going to go." }, { "start": 451.20000000000005, "end": 452.20000000000005, "text": " Go." }, { "start": 452.20000000000005, "end": 453.20000000000005, "text": " You're going." }, { "start": 453.20000000000005, "end": 454.20000000000005, "text": " No." }, { "start": 454.2, "end": 455.8, "text": " I can't leave the train besides." }, { "start": 455.8, "end": 457.8, "text": " I'd never be able to look out with the eye again." }, { "start": 457.8, "end": 458.8, "text": " Bob stayed." }, { "start": 458.8, "end": 459.8, "text": " Keep going now." }, { "start": 459.8, "end": 460.8, "text": " What?" }, { "start": 460.8, "end": 461.8, "text": " What?" }, { "start": 461.8, "end": 462.8, "text": " What?" }, { "start": 462.8, "end": 463.8, "text": " It's going to fall off." }, { "start": 463.8, "end": 464.8, "text": " What?" }, { "start": 464.8, "end": 465.8, "text": " Let me have a go." }, { "start": 465.8, "end": 466.8, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 466.8, "end": 467.8, "text": " Again." }, { "start": 467.8, "end": 468.8, "text": " One more." }, { "start": 468.8, "end": 469.8, "text": " One more." }, { "start": 469.8, "end": 470.8, "text": " One more." }, { "start": 470.8, "end": 472.8, "text": " Just one more." }, { "start": 472.8, "end": 473.8, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 473.8, "end": 474.8, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 474.8, "end": 475.8, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 475.8, "end": 476.8, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 476.8, "end": 477.8, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 477.8, "end": 478.8, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 478.8, "end": 479.8, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 479.8, "end": 480.8, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 480.8, "end": 481.8, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 481.8, "end": 482.8, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 482.8, "end": 483.8, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 483.8, "end": 484.8, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 484.8, "end": 485.8, "text": " Well done, son." }, { "start": 485.8, "end": 486.8, "text": " Well done." }, { "start": 486.8, "end": 488.8, "text": " I thought we were both gone." }, { "start": 488.8, "end": 489.8, "text": " I thought we'd had it." }, { "start": 489.8, "end": 490.8, "text": " I thought we were both gone." }, { "start": 490.8, "end": 492.8, "text": " We were all think dad always said to me." }, { "start": 492.8, "end": 493.8, "text": " Don't start something." }, { "start": 493.8, "end": 494.8, "text": " You can't finish." }, { "start": 494.8, "end": 495.8, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 495.8, "end": 496.8, "text": " You'll be so proud of you." }, { "start": 496.8, "end": 498.8, "text": " The whole town will be when they find out what you've done." }, { "start": 498.8, "end": 499.8, "text": " Adam." }, { "start": 499.8, "end": 500.8, "text": " You had me worried." }, { "start": 500.8, "end": 501.8, "text": " He." }, { "start": 501.8, "end": 502.8, "text": " Sit down a minute." }, { "start": 502.8, "end": 503.8, "text": " Let get your breath back." }, { "start": 503.8, "end": 504.8, "text": " He deserves a medal." }, { "start": 504.8, "end": 505.8, "text": " He does." }, { "start": 505.8, "end": 506.8, "text": " We did it." }, { "start": 506.8, "end": 507.8, "text": " We did." }, { "start": 507.8, "end": 509.8, "text": " What am I thinking?" }, { "start": 509.8, "end": 512.8, "text": " I'm going to have to take statements from everyone about what he's sure." }, { "start": 512.8, "end": 515.8, "text": " You stay here and get your breath back while we do that." }, { "start": 515.8, "end": 517.8, "text": " I should really get back to work." }, { "start": 517.8, "end": 520.8, "text": " You and I are going nowhere until we've had a nice strong cup of tea." }, { "start": 520.8, "end": 522.8, "text": " And when we've finished, I walk back with you." }, { "start": 522.8, "end": 524.8, "text": " Adam, an explain to your boss." }, { "start": 524.8, "end": 525.8, "text": " What happened?" }, { "start": 532.8, "end": 534.8, "text": " Oh, there you are." }, { "start": 534.8, "end": 535.8, "text": " I'm so sorry, Mr. Marx." }, { "start": 535.8, "end": 539.8, "text": " I'll send you for some fish and you think you can shilly, shally for hours." }, { "start": 539.8, "end": 540.8, "text": " I can explain." }, { "start": 540.8, "end": 541.8, "text": " Mr. Marx?" }, { "start": 542.8, "end": 544.8, "text": " And you bring the law with you, Karl." }, { "start": 544.8, "end": 546.8, "text": " What have you done?" }, { "start": 548.8, "end": 552.8, "text": " If you've been arrested, I've got no option but to sack you." }, { "start": 552.8, "end": 555.8, "text": " Can't have any bad publicity." }, { "start": 555.8, "end": 558.8, "text": " It's hard enough for me with everyone's thinking I'm German." }, { "start": 558.8, "end": 560.8, "text": " Don't want that, I'm telling you." }, { "start": 560.8, "end": 563.8, "text": " A troop ship caught fire, Mr. Marx, when I was down at the harbour." }, { "start": 563.8, "end": 565.8, "text": " Amt you heard about it?" }, { "start": 565.8, "end": 567.8, "text": " So that was a commotion I couldn't look up." }, { "start": 567.8, "end": 570.8, "text": " So much work to get through being as I was on my own." }, { "start": 570.8, "end": 575.8, "text": " The train in the station would have been pulled into the water if it wasn't for the quick thinking of your apprentice here." }, { "start": 575.8, "end": 577.8, "text": " What?" }, { "start": 577.8, "end": 579.8, "text": " Adam is a hero." }, { "start": 579.8, "end": 580.8, "text": " Show him." }, { "start": 580.8, "end": 581.8, "text": " Show him the chisel." }, { "start": 581.8, "end": 584.8, "text": " I'm afraid the handle took quite a pattern from the hammer blow." }, { "start": 584.8, "end": 587.8, "text": " It was the only way to cut the cable." }, { "start": 587.8, "end": 588.8, "text": " Let me see though." }, { "start": 588.8, "end": 590.8, "text": " It got caught around the train." }, { "start": 590.8, "end": 592.8, "text": " The driver wasn't able to free it." }, { "start": 592.8, "end": 594.8, "text": " Adam probably saved his life." }, { "start": 594.8, "end": 597.8, "text": " Not to mention the damage to the harbour if the train hadn't gone in." }, { "start": 597.8, "end": 599.8, "text": " With this chisel." }, { "start": 599.8, "end": 600.8, "text": " I'm sorry." }, { "start": 600.8, "end": 602.8, "text": " You can take it out my wages." }, { "start": 602.8, "end": 604.8, "text": " I'll tell you what I'm going to do." }, { "start": 604.8, "end": 607.8, "text": " I'm going to put it in a glass cabinet with a plaque with your name on." }, { "start": 607.8, "end": 608.8, "text": " Oh, I almost forgot." }, { "start": 608.8, "end": 609.8, "text": " Here's your fish." }, { "start": 609.8, "end": 610.8, "text": " They gave it to me for free." }, { "start": 610.8, "end": 612.8, "text": " And here's your money." }, { "start": 612.8, "end": 613.8, "text": " You keep it, Adam." }, { "start": 613.8, "end": 614.8, "text": " And the fish." }, { "start": 614.8, "end": 616.8, "text": " And take the rest of the day off." }, { "start": 616.8, "end": 617.8, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 617.8, "end": 618.8, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 618.8, "end": 619.8, "text": " Really." }, { "start": 619.8, "end": 620.8, "text": " One more thing." }, { "start": 620.8, "end": 622.8, "text": " Well, let me..." }, { "start": 622.8, "end": 624.8, "text": " Straight up your hand." }, { "start": 625.8, "end": 627.8, "text": " I'll say this for him." }, { "start": 627.8, "end": 629.8, "text": " He might be German, but he's fair." }, { "start": 629.8, "end": 630.8, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 630.8, "end": 631.8, "text": " I know." }, { "start": 631.8, "end": 634.8, "text": " And you're allowed to take a moment to be proud of yourself." }, { "start": 634.8, "end": 635.8, "text": " Pride is a sin." }, { "start": 635.8, "end": 638.8, "text": " Well, ever knows, I'm no vicar, but I think that means boastfulness." }, { "start": 638.8, "end": 642.8, "text": " What you did today is as brave as any act on a battlefield." }, { "start": 642.8, "end": 644.8, "text": " So you're allowed to be proud." }, { "start": 644.8, "end": 645.8, "text": " Prouder." }, { "start": 645.8, "end": 648.8, "text": " Because instead of taking life, you saved life." }, { "start": 648.8, "end": 649.8, "text": " Hardly." }, { "start": 649.8, "end": 651.8, "text": " I hope you don't mind me saying this." }, { "start": 651.8, "end": 653.8, "text": " But it seemed to say you didn't care." }, { "start": 653.8, "end": 655.8, "text": " I wouldn't have done it if I didn't care." }, { "start": 655.8, "end": 657.8, "text": " Now, I'm not talking about the train or a pier." }, { "start": 657.8, "end": 659.8, "text": " It was as if you didn't care about yourself." }, { "start": 659.8, "end": 662.8, "text": " The way you ignored me and rushed forward regardless." }, { "start": 662.8, "end": 664.8, "text": " I hope you look at her recipe for that." }, { "start": 664.8, "end": 665.8, "text": " Of course not." }, { "start": 665.8, "end": 669.8, "text": " I'm just thinking it must be hard for you with your father away fighting." }, { "start": 669.8, "end": 671.8, "text": " No harder than it is for anyone else." }, { "start": 671.8, "end": 672.8, "text": " Wait till Albert is about this." }, { "start": 672.8, "end": 674.8, "text": " I don't want to worry him." }, { "start": 674.8, "end": 676.8, "text": " Besides, be far deeured from him." }, { "start": 676.8, "end": 678.8, "text": " Not much of a letter, right?" }, { "start": 678.8, "end": 680.8, "text": " I think you might be working behind the lines." }, { "start": 680.8, "end": 681.8, "text": " Do them all." }, { "start": 681.8, "end": 682.8, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 682.8, "end": 683.8, "text": " Probably something heroic." }, { "start": 683.8, "end": 685.8, "text": " The winner's a war." }, { "start": 685.8, "end": 686.8, "text": " Father like son, eh?" }, { "start": 686.8, "end": 687.8, "text": " Oh, well, look." }, { "start": 687.8, "end": 689.8, "text": " He's your Jack with Jessie." }, { "start": 689.8, "end": 690.8, "text": " Wait till she is." }, { "start": 690.8, "end": 692.8, "text": " Hello Sergeant Harris." }, { "start": 692.8, "end": 694.8, "text": " Adam, how are you?" }, { "start": 694.8, "end": 696.8, "text": " Well, it's been quite a morning, one way or another." }, { "start": 696.8, "end": 698.8, "text": " Adam, how did he go, Jack?" }, { "start": 698.8, "end": 699.8, "text": " Did you get the job?" }, { "start": 699.8, "end": 700.8, "text": " No." }, { "start": 700.8, "end": 702.8, "text": " I asked you not to say anything." }, { "start": 702.8, "end": 703.8, "text": " Sorry." }, { "start": 703.8, "end": 704.8, "text": " That was the last thing I said to you." }, { "start": 704.8, "end": 705.8, "text": " I said, don't say anything." }, { "start": 705.8, "end": 706.8, "text": " I said, don't get it." }, { "start": 706.8, "end": 707.8, "text": " I know. I'm sorry." }, { "start": 707.8, "end": 708.8, "text": " She didn't tell me, Jack." }, { "start": 708.8, "end": 709.8, "text": " I guessed." }, { "start": 709.8, "end": 711.8, "text": " But they told you that the railway was sticking for clarts." }, { "start": 711.8, "end": 713.8, "text": " And what were you being accorded to there before the war?" }, { "start": 713.8, "end": 714.8, "text": " And I'd work here." }, { "start": 714.8, "end": 715.8, "text": " I know, I know." }, { "start": 715.8, "end": 717.8, "text": " But we couldn't get anywhere near the station to ask." }, { "start": 717.8, "end": 719.8, "text": " We bumped into Arthur Hall and Ted Dolby." }, { "start": 719.8, "end": 721.8, "text": " They said that the old would have caught fire." }, { "start": 721.8, "end": 723.8, "text": " Now it's lying on its side at the bottom of the harbor." }, { "start": 723.8, "end": 724.8, "text": " Then it could have been worse." }, { "start": 724.8, "end": 725.8, "text": " Much worse." }, { "start": 725.8, "end": 728.8, "text": " There was a train in the station and in nearly building into the water." }, { "start": 728.8, "end": 730.8, "text": " They don't hear about that now, Sergeant Harris." }, { "start": 730.8, "end": 732.8, "text": " I've got some fresh fish for supper." }, { "start": 732.8, "end": 734.8, "text": " You'll come on your Jessie. There's plenty." }, { "start": 734.8, "end": 737.8, "text": " I would, but Ivy's invited Jack to suffer." }, { "start": 737.8, "end": 740.8, "text": " Well, if you've got plenty, maybe you'd give me some to give to her." }, { "start": 740.8, "end": 742.8, "text": " All right. Actually, you can have it all." }, { "start": 742.8, "end": 743.8, "text": " Are you sure?" }, { "start": 743.8, "end": 744.8, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 744.8, "end": 746.8, "text": " So, is it safe to go down to the harbour now?" }, { "start": 746.8, "end": 749.8, "text": " Yes. All the men are about to go back to the rest camps." }, { "start": 749.8, "end": 752.8, "text": " No one will be leaving the country for a while." }, { "start": 752.8, "end": 754.8, "text": " At least not on the onward." }, { "start": 754.8, "end": 756.8, "text": " Maybe there'll still be someone at the station I can ask about the job." }, { "start": 756.8, "end": 758.8, "text": " Jack, you must be joking if you think I'm taking you down there" }, { "start": 758.8, "end": 760.8, "text": " and then pushing you up, slope roads." }, { "start": 760.8, "end": 761.8, "text": " You can ask about a job another time." }, { "start": 761.8, "end": 762.8, "text": " What, that's me told?" }, { "start": 762.8, "end": 765.8, "text": " Let's get to Ivy's before the fish start walking there by themselves." }, { "start": 765.8, "end": 766.8, "text": " Cheerio, then." }, { "start": 766.8, "end": 767.8, "text": " Bye." }, { "start": 767.8, "end": 768.8, "text": " Bye." }, { "start": 770.8, "end": 772.8, "text": " Why didn't you want me to say anything?" }, { "start": 772.8, "end": 774.8, "text": " I did want to seem like a kick when he's already down." }, { "start": 774.8, "end": 776.8, "text": " That's very normal, I believe you." }, { "start": 776.8, "end": 777.8, "text": " But if Jessie..." }, { "start": 777.8, "end": 778.8, "text": " No." }, { "start": 778.8, "end": 780.8, "text": " You don't know what I was going to say." }, { "start": 780.8, "end": 782.8, "text": " Sergeant Aris, she'll be up with him." }, { "start": 782.8, "end": 784.8, "text": " Let's just leave it at that." }, { "start": 784.8, "end": 803.8, "text": " So there is the dramatic opening episode of season 15 of Homefront." }, { "start": 803.8, "end": 806.8, "text": " I'm here with Jessica Drumgul, the editor of Homefront," }, { "start": 806.8, "end": 809.8, "text": " and Katie Hems, the lead writer of season 15," }, { "start": 809.8, "end": 812.8, "text": " and a core writer across the entire series." }, { "start": 812.8, "end": 813.8, "text": " That's right." }, { "start": 813.8, "end": 818.8, "text": " Now, the fire on the HMT onward is real history." }, { "start": 818.8, "end": 819.8, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 819.8, "end": 822.8, "text": " Katie, what was it about this that this suggests sort of..." }, { "start": 822.8, "end": 823.8, "text": " A story." }, { "start": 823.8, "end": 824.8, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 824.8, "end": 827.8, "text": " It just suggested a really good opening episode in the beginning." }, { "start": 827.8, "end": 828.8, "text": " Something exciting." }, { "start": 828.8, "end": 831.8, "text": " Yeah, something exciting and something that we didn't know" }, { "start": 831.8, "end": 832.8, "text": " because there tends to be..." }, { "start": 832.8, "end": 834.8, "text": " There's a lot of research done before we all sit in a room" }, { "start": 834.8, "end": 836.8, "text": " and argue about what the story should be." }, { "start": 836.8, "end": 838.8, "text": " So something that was quite open-ended" }, { "start": 838.8, "end": 842.8, "text": " but had a sort of suspense to it just felt" }, { "start": 842.8, "end": 844.8, "text": " well, we're not going to ignore that." }, { "start": 844.8, "end": 845.8, "text": " And it happened in Folkstone." }, { "start": 845.8, "end": 846.8, "text": " Yeah, it happened in the harbor." }, { "start": 846.8, "end": 849.8, "text": " It happened right in front of lots and lots of people." }, { "start": 849.8, "end": 852.8, "text": " So how they kept it quiet and how they kept it out of the newspapers," }, { "start": 852.8, "end": 853.8, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 853.8, "end": 856.8, "text": " So for people who are new to the series," }, { "start": 856.8, "end": 859.8, "text": " to Homefront in general, why is Folkstone important?" }, { "start": 859.8, "end": 864.8, "text": " Folkstone is this incredible Edwardian resort town" }, { "start": 864.8, "end": 866.8, "text": " which was also a major military base." }, { "start": 866.8, "end": 869.8, "text": " It's the closest place in Britain to the fighting." }, { "start": 869.8, "end": 873.8, "text": " So you can hear the war during some of the episodes." }, { "start": 873.8, "end": 877.8, "text": " And the really interesting thing about Folkstone is" }, { "start": 877.8, "end": 880.8, "text": " if you go there now, you recognize it from the series" }, { "start": 880.8, "end": 882.8, "text": " because it's still got a working harbor." }, { "start": 882.8, "end": 885.8, "text": " The barracks are still there, although it's where the gerk is the base now." }, { "start": 885.8, "end": 891.8, "text": " And so, in fact, the story just sits rather lightly on top of Folkstone as it is now." }, { "start": 891.8, "end": 896.8, "text": " It's been really inspiring as a place to set a drama in." }, { "start": 896.8, "end": 901.8, "text": " So did both of you spend time there when you were researching this?" }, { "start": 901.8, "end": 902.8, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 902.8, "end": 905.8, "text": " Thinking about the writing, was it inspiring to walk around present day, Folkstone?" }, { "start": 905.8, "end": 906.8, "text": " Yeah, definitely." }, { "start": 906.8, "end": 908.8, "text": " You get excited when you see the street names." }, { "start": 908.8, "end": 910.8, "text": " When you've been kind of pouring over a map and saying," }, { "start": 910.8, "end": 914.8, "text": " well, we'll put these characters in this street and that's where they'll live." }, { "start": 914.8, "end": 917.8, "text": " And we'll make this happen at the Pleasure Gardens Theatre." }, { "start": 917.8, "end": 920.8, "text": " And then you kind of wander around it at the beginning" }, { "start": 920.8, "end": 921.8, "text": " and get to know it at the beginning." }, { "start": 921.8, "end": 923.8, "text": " Go away and make up stories." }, { "start": 923.8, "end": 928.8, "text": " And then come back and feel quite excited that all these stories are happening in these places" }, { "start": 928.8, "end": 931.8, "text": " and almost forget that you made them up." }, { "start": 931.8, "end": 935.8, "text": " Is it tough to strike a balance between the..." }, { "start": 935.8, "end": 939.8, "text": " You feel like you have an obligation to some level of historical fact, right?" }, { "start": 939.8, "end": 941.8, "text": " But then you're making up stories on the other hand." }, { "start": 941.8, "end": 944.8, "text": " I think there's a sense of responsibility." }, { "start": 944.8, "end": 947.8, "text": " I think if you mention anybody that really existed," }, { "start": 947.8, "end": 950.8, "text": " you feel like you must be nice to them if you possibly can." }, { "start": 951.8, "end": 952.8, "text": " Because otherwise it's not fair." }, { "start": 952.8, "end": 954.8, "text": " Unless you know for a fact that they were horrible." }, { "start": 954.8, "end": 956.8, "text": " And then you feel fine about 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It was really sad." }, { "start": 1440.8, "end": 1444.8, "text": " You'll be sad to not be working as closely so often with them." }, { "start": 1444.8, "end": 1450.8, "text": " But there are also these characters that as a writer and as an editor are living in your minds." }, { "start": 1450.8, "end": 1458.8, "text": " Do you find yourself wondering about them or imagining things that they're doing and wishing that you could express that somehow?" }, { "start": 1458.8, "end": 1460.8, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1460.8, "end": 1464.8, "text": " I mean, it's a well shaped story." }, { "start": 1464.8, "end": 1468.8, "text": " So the stories have endings." }, { "start": 1468.8, "end": 1478.8, "text": " So their continued existence beyond the story depends on the kind of fiction consumer you are." }, { "start": 1478.8, "end": 1482.8, "text": " There's been kind of mooted. We're not going to do it." }, { "start": 1482.8, "end": 1488.8, "text": " There's been mooted the idea that we skip forward to the second world war and revisit the same characters." }, { "start": 1488.8, "end": 1496.8, "text": " And so you do get this lurch of, oh my god, you know, the children that we've birthed over five years, they're all going to have to fight." }, { "start": 1496.8, "end": 1500.8, "text": " They're all going to be involved." }, { "start": 1500.8, "end": 1504.8, "text": " But of course that's ridiculous because they don't exist." }, { "start": 1504.8, "end": 1506.8, "text": " And we're not going to do it." }, { "start": 1506.8, "end": 1512.8, "text": " But you have allowed yourself though, isn't there one, there's a kind of a special bonus episode?" }, { "start": 1512.8, "end": 1514.8, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 1514.8, "end": 1516.8, "text": " There is one year later." }, { "start": 1516.8, "end": 1520.8, "text": " Which I'm so glad that's how we did it." }, { "start": 1520.8, "end": 1526.8, "text": " Because it's got that kind of to the lighthouse structure, do you know the Virginia Wolf book?" }, { "start": 1526.8, "end": 1528.8, "text": " It's been a while." }, { "start": 1528.8, "end": 1536.8, "text": " So you just go detail, detail, detail for, I don't know, like 80% of the book." }, { "start": 1536.8, "end": 1540.8, "text": " And then 20% of the book is, come on, catch up." }, { "start": 1540.8, "end": 1542.8, "text": " All of this has happened since." }, { "start": 1542.8, "end": 1548.8, "text": " And as a way of kind of shaking the story off as well as giving it another ending, it's been really great." }, { "start": 1548.8, "end": 1552.8, "text": " And I think it's the most beautiful play." }, { "start": 1552.8, "end": 1554.8, "text": " And that goes out on the 10th of November." }, { "start": 1554.8, "end": 1558.8, "text": " And we'll also be available as a podcast." }, { "start": 1558.8, "end": 1560.8, "text": " Thank you very much, Katie." }, { "start": 1560.8, "end": 1562.8, "text": " And thank you, Jessica, for coming in to talk with us about this." }, { "start": 1562.8, "end": 1570.8, "text": " If you liked that episode of Homefront, please search for it, subscribe, dip in wherever you'd like." }, { "start": 1570.8, "end": 1574.8, "text": " You can start at the beginning, you can start in the middle, you can start with this one." }, { "start": 1574.8, "end": 1578.8, "text": " And then you can start up online, I think until 2028." }, { "start": 1578.8, "end": 1580.8, "text": " Is that right?" }, { "start": 1580.8, "end": 1582.8, "text": " Something like that?" }, { "start": 1582.8, "end": 1584.8, "text": " That's right." }, { "start": 1584.8, "end": 1586.8, "text": " So we're available for a good online." }, { "start": 1586.8, "end": 1588.8, "text": " Great. Well, thank you." }, { "start": 1588.8, "end": 1590.8, "text": " Thank you." }, { "start": 1590.8, "end": 1592.8, "text": " Thank you." }, { "start": 1592.8, "end": 1594.8, "text": " So there you go, Rianne." }, { "start": 1594.8, "end": 1596.8, "text": " Do you want to have anything you want to add in here about Homefront?" }, { "start": 1596.8, "end": 1600.8, "text": " Well, the great thing about Homefront is that you can, if you missed the beginning of this," }, { "start": 1600.8, "end": 1604.8, "text": " you can start listening and really get into it." }, { "start": 1604.8, "end": 1606.8, "text": " It's all there, which doesn't happen that often for drama." }, { "start": 1606.8, "end": 1610.8, "text": " The whole lot is there and you can just immerse yourself in the world." }, { "start": 1610.8, "end": 1614.8, "text": " And it's been an amazing world that they've created over the last few years." }, { "start": 1614.8, "end": 1616.8, "text": " See you next time." }, { "start": 1630.8, "end": 1632.8, "text": " Bye." } ]