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SteveMcQueen#3713: Joined the server. Sid#2121: Joined the server. Sid#2121: 👋 Daj#7482: Hello hello Daj#7482: I'll get myself up to speed on how to properly set up and admin a discord server soon Sid#2121: wish i could be of any help at all in that regard lol Daj#7482: I think our needs are pretty minimal haha, but feel free to request channels or other things we might need Sid#2121: can we get a #datascripts channel or something? to collect all our individual scripts for data gathering Daj#7482: Sure and we can use #the-pile for discussion? Sid#2121: yeah Sid#2121: and maybe separate chat channels from link/resources channels, if you can do that Daj#7482: Ah yes this is all pretty intuitive Daj#7482: Do we need/want roles and permissions and stuff? bmk#1476: Joined the server. Daj#7482: Hey hey Sid#2121: i wouldn't really know what to do with a role anyway lol Daj#7482: Just setting things up, please request any channels/roles/settings you want bmk#1476: let's make an info channel where i can dump all of my documents about the project bmk#1476: can haz channel adding perm Daj#7482: Sure let me quickly figure out how to do that
bmk#1476: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/730093559427891250/unknown.png bmk#1476: wrote this up Daj#7482: Try that Daj#7482: I do like the colors lol Sid#2121: ooh how do i get a fancy colour Sid#2121: DAMN Sid#2121: already have one Sid#2121: nice Daj#7482: Yea I just created a GPT Neo role and gave it to you all Daj#7482: You have most permissions but I don't think we need to worry about trolling bmk#1476: that reminds we i think we should choose a better name than gptneo Sid#2121: aw i kinda like it Sid#2121: but shoot bmk#1476: 1. it makes it sound like we have something to do with openai Daj#7482: I kinda like it too, but open to suggestions Daj#7482: (we are using like 70% OA code and copying their papers lol) Daj#7482: but yeah I see what you mean bmk#1476: like people might think we're affiliated Daj#7482: Eh I doubt that'd be a problem bmk#1476: I'd vote for something with Libre or Open or sth in the name
Daj#7482: but if you have a cooler name totally open bmk#1476: LibreLM bmk#1476: NeoLM Sid#2121: I like using GPT because, well, it's gpt Sid#2121: we're not doing anything totally novel Sid#2121: aside from open sourcing it bmk#1476: LibreGPT Daj#7482: I feel like we might not wanna overuse the Libre/Open names Daj#7482: (like OpenAI does 🔥) Sid#2121: https://tenor.com/view/rap-rap-battle-gif-5518154 Daj#7482: We can still change it before we release to the public Daj#7482: So we can think on it bmk#1476: yeah i guess bmk#1476: just voicing my opinion rn so it's not a surprise later Sid#2121: i'm not totally attached to neo, but i feel like keeping the gpt is important Daj#7482: Will keep in mind for sure Daj#7482: btw we do have a channel we could use instead if we wanna try and be organized hah #gpt-neox-devs Daj#7482: Name can still be changed down the line easily SteveMcQueen#3713: Random question, but how do you guys plan on training this absolute beast of a model? I mean unless someone has basically unlimited credits laying around Daj#7482: I have basically unlimited credits laying around
SteveMcQueen#3713: Well that solves that Daj#7482: Yea haha, I was an early adopter of TFRC and know the guys in charge semi personally Daj#7482: So we have theoretical access to up to 2048 TPU cores whenever Daj#7482: (though that many are usually not free) Daj#7482: I made a #links channel meant for clean posts of links to papers with at most a paragraph of description, and a more general #deleted-channel channel for discussing papers and such. Sound reasonable? bmk#1476: yeah Daj#7482: I also think we could rename #data-sources to data-sources bmk#1476: sure Daj#7482: Nice everything seems so orderly now bmk#1476: also i'm putting a star next to important datasets bmk#1476: so we can prioritize bmk#1476: any idea how to download from aws datasets? Daj#7482: Uhhh Daj#7482: nope Daj#7482: It seems like it may require opening the dataset on an AWS instance or something Daj#7482: Which would be a hassle but not a big roadblock bmk#1476: it's also not text, but rather a knowledge base bmk#1476: so lots of commonsense info in a not-LM friendly format Daj#7482: Super interesting but we'd have to put in some thought as to how/if we use it Daj#7482: Procedurally generate true sentences from the knowledge?
Daj#7482: That sounds cool bmk#1476: yeah bmk#1476: also once we have this dataset and we've trained a GPT3 replica we should publish a paper about it, with the focus being on the dataset Daj#7482: You think we could do that? I'd absolutely love to bmk#1476: it's worth a shot Daj#7482: Though I don't have the connections to get it on arxiv or published personally bmk#1476: getting it on arxiv should be trivial Daj#7482: But I've written/edited papers before so I think I can be helpful Daj#7482: You need an endorsement for arxiv iirc bmk#1476: not too hard to get Daj#7482: haha well I will defer to you there bmk#1476: I can ask around, at least bmk#1476: hopefully that works Noa Nabeshima#0290: Joined the server. Daj#7482: Would be awesome, I'd love to publish Daj#7482: Hey Noa, server is an early stage. Resources channels are for links and no chat, rest is free range Daj#7482: You should have permissions for most things bmk#1476: any other directions for data that we don't have? Daj#7482: I'd add links to what we're already working on perhaps? (CC, WT, C4 for the cleaning methods, wikipedia...) Daj#7482: Maybe also libgen? Or should we have like a seperate pirate channel?
bmk#1476: I'll add a "current datasources" section bmk#1476: to the document Daj#7482: Can you pin your gdoc to the gpt-neo channel? bmk#1476: done Daj#7482: Lovely! bmk#1476: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/730105119252807782/unknown.png bmk#1476: am i missing anything important Daj#7482: Seems good to me, though I may be forgetting some thing or the other we had discussed at some point bmk#1476: and of these, wikipedia, opencaptions and bookcorpus are done, CC, CORE, and libgen are in progress, and WT2, irc are to do Daj#7482: Nice Daj#7482: We're really making nice progress bmk#1476: i mean CC core and libgen are by far the biggest pita Daj#7482: Of course yea bmk#1476: and also sadly the most important bmk#1476: we can make a mini version of the dataset though Daj#7482: but still I'm just surprised this didn't peter out within 24 hours bmk#1476: yeah me too bmk#1476: WT1 + BC + Wiki + OC + IRC + small preliminary pieces of LG and CC and CORE bmk#1476: and we can train a slightly larger GPT2 with it Daj#7482: Sure that shouldn't be a problem
Daj#7482: _Larger_ GPT2 won't work without TFM Daj#7482: but we could experiment with 1.5B right away basically. Just need to converto tfrecords and upload to google cloud bmk#1476: i have no idea how to do that Daj#7482: I can write the scripts for it if we have the texts Daj#7482: Not that hard bmk#1476: what's more worth doing, GPT2+more data or charGPT2&same data bmk#1476: I'm willing to help do some more work on the TFM front to help make it happen Daj#7482: I think getting a GPT2 to OA levels of performance would be an important proof of concept bmk#1476: ok Daj#7482: 1.5B can be trained within a week Daj#7482: And if we can get the right performance I'd be confident in scaling up bmk#1476: will throwing more data at GPT2 make it better? Daj#7482: Probably bmk#1476: i thought the limiter here was model capacity Daj#7482: If it's high quality Daj#7482: Well yes Daj#7482: You might be right Daj#7482: This is an empirical science haha bmk#1476: haha Daj#7482: Which is why it's worth doing these experiments before going the full length
bmk#1476: ok well we have WT1, BC, Wiki, OC so far bmk#1476: I can make some LG from the data i already have downloaded bmk#1476: and is the core download done? Daj#7482: You can see my old tfrecords scripts in the GPTNeo/datasets folder if you wanna have a look. Though they produce the "sample randomly" kind of tfrecords, but GPT3 linearly reads through all the data Daj#7482: I think goolu was doing CORE? bmk#1476: I think I'll just get everything into either compressed json list or tgz of random files format Daj#7482: Basically we just need to be able to ingest a stream of text documents that we can glue together with <\|endoftext\|> and encode into BPE or whatever other encoding we're using bmk#1476: I can do that Daj#7482: The final tfrecords samples are just chunks of integers after all bmk#1476: I'll get together a script that takes either of my common formats and provides a python iterator Daj#7482: Awesome bmk#1476: is there a way to weight part of the data more? Daj#7482: Yes bmk#1476: just return multiple copies? Daj#7482: If they are in seperate files my GPT2 input code can weight collections of files differently bmk#1476: alright I'll provide a `random data file -> [String]` converter Daj#7482: Sounds good Daj#7482: Will also be trivial to parallelize just by ingesting different files bmk#1476: re: libgen&bookcorpus data: is it a problem if we have a block of copyright info and stuff at the beginning of each file bmk#1476: ```Also by Jim Lacey
Takedown: The 3rd Infantry Division’s Twenty-one Day Assault on Baghdad Pershing: A Biography The Canons of Jihad: Terrorists’ Strategy for Defeating America (editor) The Making of Peace: Rulers, States, and the Aftermath of War (co-editor, with Williamson Murray) Copyright © 2011 by James Lacey Maps copyright © 2011 by Jeffrey L. Ward All rights reserved.
Published in the United States by Bantam Books, an imprint of The Random House Publishing Group, a division of Random House, Inc., New York. BANTAM BOOKS and the rooster colophon are registered trademarks of Random House, Inc. Grateful acknowledgment is made to Pantheon Books, a division of Random House, Inc., for permission to reprint excerpts from The Landmark Herodotus: The Histories by Robert B. Strassler, translated by Andrea L. Purvis, copyright © 2007 by Robert B. Strassler. Reprinted by permission of Pantheon Books, a division of Random House, Inc. LIBRARY OF CONGRESS CATALOGING-IN-PUBLICATION DATA Lacey, Jim The first clash: the miraculous Greek victory at Marathon and its impact on Western civilization / Jim Lacey. p. cm. eISBN: 978-0-553-90812-1 1. Marathon, Battle of, Greece, 409 B.C.—Influence. 2. Greece—Civilization—To 146 B.C. 3. Iran—History—To 640 A.D. I. Title. DF225.4.L33 2011 938′.03—dc22 2010046214
www.bantamdell.com Jacket design: Christopher Sergio Jacket photograph: © National Museum of Scotland / The Bridgeman Art Library v3.1 ``` bmk#1476: these files are a few hundred kb-1mb anyways so this is a tiny fraction of the data Daj#7482: It's not breaking or anything Daj#7482: Dunno if it's worth investing effort to clean it Daj#7482: Though it wouldn't hurt to clean it ofc bmk#1476: eh i'll just leave it Daj#7482: Yea probably fine bmk#1476: https://gist.github.com/leogao2/dfee376d02b7119ebc0770758e5c19bb SteveMcQueen#3713: Would a simple solution not be to just cut out the first 1-2 pages? bmk#1476: analysis of unicode occurring in filtered CC bmk#1476: i guess but then we lose useful data too
Daj#7482: It might actually be on net worth it to cut out the first page or so. Dunno something we can think about/experiment with down the line bmk#1476: ok ill do cutting Daj#7482: This is the kind of nitty gritty trial-by-error data people will benefit from later too Daj#7482: lol we could do like a statistical test how likely it is that cutting pages deletes copyright or real data using a spot sample (yes I'm studying for my stats exam atm) bmk#1476: or should i just give you the raw uncut data SteveMcQueen#3713: hahaha my thoughts exactly Daj#7482: and I think we'll train with BPE first before we can do the longer ctxs SteveMcQueen#3713: random sample of around 1000 books and see whats on the first apge Daj#7482: Shouldn't be too hard to do bmk#1476: one issue: libgen dumps are not homogenous bmk#1476: they vary a lot from dump to dump bmk#1476: and this particular dataset is from a very specific subset of dumps Daj#7482: Yea but a totally subjective look at data is often totally sufficient Daj#7482: Just do what you think sounds sensible SteveMcQueen#3713: Ah yeah fair point, technically you can just download x different data sets shuffle them and take the top 1k or so bmk#1476: like, it's not a representative sample Daj#7482: Fair SteveMcQueen#3713: but get that it might be not really worth it Daj#7482: We'll just keep iterating and experimenting bmk#1476: anyways i'll just give you the raw untouched data
Daj#7482: Data science and ML is black magic™️ bmk#1476: for SmallLibGen™️ Daj#7482: Which is imo a technical term that means "needs a lot of subjective judgement" Daj#7482: Sounds good bmk#1476: should we switch from json to bson for extra speed bmk#1476: (with backwards compat) Daj#7482: Any speed gain is worth it at these sizes bmk#1476: ok bmk#1476: really flooring it on my computer https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/730122885863178280/unknown.png bmk#1476: > total received: 962.0GB goolulusaurs#1571: Joined the server. Sid#2121: if we're going to be including IRC chatlogs we might need to seriously think about bias https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/730173220971347998/Screenshot_2020-07-07_at_23.26.51.png Daj#7482: Good point, IRC and chatlogs are probably cesspools Daj#7482: Of course, that might add to the cyberpunk aesthetic. But I agree this is a non trivial issue, I'll think about it some more Sid#2121: i mean, idk if CC is any better? I actually have no clue how they scrape Sid#2121: or where from Daj#7482: Ctrl-F "n-word" should answer our questions Sid#2121: yes Daj#7482: speaking of...4chan has full archives floating around Sid#2121: oh god no
Daj#7482: Just saying Daj#7482: Haha Sid#2121: I actually think I might rather not, idk Daj#7482: Nah I getcha Sid#2121: it's something to think about Daj#7482: I just have a twisted sense of humor Daj#7482: maybe we'll make GPT-Toxic Daj#7482: as a side project Sid#2121: lmao. just entirely 4chan? Sid#2121: 4chan distilled into a hyperintelligent ai ono Daj#7482: I'm not saying it's a good idea Sid#2121: it's an idea Daj#7482: But I am saying it's a _hilarious_ idea Daj#7482: We could unleash it as a chat bot onto 4chan and see if anybody notices Sid#2121: omg Sid#2121: i want to create it now entirely for that purpose Daj#7482: We really are in good company here haha Daj#7482: Add it to the bucket list Daj#7482: Can be a 1.5B variant Sid#2121: i mean, collecting the data can't hurt and we can always finetune the smaller models on it if we don't end up using it, yeah
Daj#7482: Agreed Daj#7482: 4chan archives keep popping up and dying all the time, so we might have to look around a bit bmk#1476: 4ch archives are really fragmented unfortunately Daj#7482: Still, if no one else wants to I would (when I'm more free) try to collect as much as I can lol Sid#2121: who runs 4ch these days? Daj#7482: I have no idea, I haven't been on there in like 5 years Daj#7482: >Google 4chan archives >"'My Little Pony' Fans Confront Their Nazi Problem - The Atlantic" Daj#7482: kek Sid#2121: i want 8ch archives too just for all the qanon madness Daj#7482: Oh boy Daj#7482: Yes Daj#7482: ~~Is this abusive towards the AI?~~ Sid#2121: but then we're really getting into some godawful degenerate shit bmk#1476: how about no Daj#7482: Fair Daj#7482: I'll just put it on the sidelines...for now bmk#1476: i mean im ok with data that may have a high level of toxicity Daj#7482: We definitely won't include it in any main projects Sid#2121: yeah ok 8ch can stay out
Daj#7482: Since it's also probably shit bmk#1476: but 4chan isnt just "high level of toxicity", it's literally the definition of toxicity on the internet Daj#7482: I know worse places tbh bmk#1476: on the popular internet Sid#2121: well, 8ch Daj#7482: it's more just 14-18 year olds being edgy bmk#1476: *ch Daj#7482: But yeah I vote don#t include it in the GPT3 or 1T runs bmk#1476: yeah that's the most toxic demographic on the internet Daj#7482: But I might privately play with it for shit and giggles Sid#2121: > it's more just 14-18 year olds being edgy @Daj it's not even just that though. I wish it were that simple bmk#1476: yeah that's all fine and dandy Daj#7482: Unfortunately I know that's at least partially true Sid Daj#7482: I used to be a pretty active user when I was 17-18 lol Sid#2121: I never could get past the nazis Sid#2121: videos of ppl dying, strange porn, sure Sid#2121: but yeah. always felt unwelcome Daj#7482: Really? That's what did it for you? lol I get you Daj#7482: Oh yeah it's a shit place I'm not defending it
bmk#1476: i think we should get the more important data, like WT2, before turning to such.. unorthodox sources Daj#7482: I hate everyone I met there lol Daj#7482: Absolutely Sid#2121: @bmk how is the AWS link you posted to the enron data 210Gb lol? a source I've found is like 400mb Sid#2121: how is that formatted bmk#1476: attachments Sid#2121: right. don't really need them bmk#1476: ye SteveMcQueen#3713: btw even though CC might have the reddit data pushshift has a full dump by month of all comments/submissions (https://files.pushshift.io/reddit/comments/) SteveMcQueen#3713: It is not fully updated (missing like 6 months or so), and it comes with a decent bit of metadata that needs to be removed, but otherwise should be a significant amount of pure text there Sid#2121: the more the better. We'll be deduping anyway Sid#2121: post it up in #the-pile Sid#2121: actually no lol Sid#2121: #data-sources ? SteveMcQueen#3713: Yeah probably fits best there SteveMcQueen#3713: Quick question on methodology for creating our corpuses (might have missed this), but what thoughts do we have in regards to meta tagging things? Will it just be one huge ass dump and then except the model to shift through it by its lonesome or are we planning on tagging/ordering things ahead of time? Simple example could be Reddit data, where the order and structure of the comments are important (e.g. what is nested under which submission/comment chain) SteveMcQueen#3713: And/or any idea how OA tackled this? Sid#2121: it's just a huge dump of text, non-text data like structure is superflous and can't teach the model anything Sid#2121: obviously separate sources will be kept separate, it won't just be one massive 10TB text file but Sid#2121: we essentially want to parse out as much non-text as possible
Sid#2121: I mean, the order is important, but I assume the reddit data is ordered anyway, no? at least in some sense SteveMcQueen#3713: pushshift data is afaik not, we will literally just get a metric ton of comments/submissions SteveMcQueen#3713: which is fine, but it wont learn much besides grammar, syntax and a bit of random information from those as many are fairly short form SteveMcQueen#3713: i.e. there will be no representation of responses to e.g. questions or how discussions unfold SteveMcQueen#3713: You could order it so the submission is at the top, but you quickly run into problems with underlying "forks" of comment chains bmk#1476: Ok so for structured data like reddit chains: bmk#1476: Our goal is not to preserve the original structure directly bmk#1476: Rather, we want to transform the data into a format suitable for LMs bmk#1476: So an entire reddit post and all response comments could be a single "document" bmk#1476: For example, you could indent the comments to preserve structure, while filtering out low score comments to make it easier to fit in context bmk#1476: Or maybe only look at single non overlapping comment chains bmk#1476: It's your call SteveMcQueen#3713: hmm yeah something like that could probably work bmk#1476: Like you could make each leaf comment a document and also include the context of comments it's replying to I guess bmk#1476: That would probably work better than just blindly sticking the entire comment tree in a single document Sid#2121: wouldn't you get a ton of overlap that way? bmk#1476: Yes and then you'd prune it to remove short chains, low score chains, etc bmk#1476: Overall there just isn't a good way to represent a big tree structure in a small LM context bmk#1476: This wouldn't be a problem if GPTx had a 1048576 context length but alas Sid#2121: https://files.pushshift.io/reddit/comments/sample_data.json oh boy this is........
Sid#2121: oh boy SteveMcQueen#3713: Filtering out the meta data should be pretty easy SteveMcQueen#3713: Might be a bit cumbersome and take some time, but setting up the script shouldn't take long bmk#1476: ? bmk#1476: I've worked with the ps data before and it's not bad Sid#2121: sure, probably easy to parse, but awful to look at. I was just trying to get a sense of how you can decipher structure from that, but I'd probably need to get it into python to figure it out instead of just staring blankly bmk#1476: its a jsonl file bmk#1476: each line is a json object SteveMcQueen#3713: Yeah its just a json file, get the body key SteveMcQueen#3713: and loop over it and you will get the text Sid#2121: how is the tree structure represented tho SteveMcQueen#3713: however they are like 150g unzipped or so bmk#1476: parent field bmk#1476: this is the fun part SteveMcQueen#3713: Yeah thats the problem its represented by parents bmk#1476: you need to do a join SteveMcQueen#3713: so ordering it will be a bit of a hassle bmk#1476: so you need to set up a database goolulusaurs#1571: https://youtu.be/HgGyWS40g-g I was watching this video on mesh tensor flow, they literally say they are going to train a 1T parameter model with it. Daj#7482: So we're on the right track haha
Daj#7482: I mean the GShard people already trained a 1T model it was just shit goolulusaurs#1571: Oh, I haven't read through that one Daj#7482: They only briefly mention that they tried but couldn't do it because of "numerical stability" Daj#7482: iirc Sid#2121: what does that mean exactly Sid#2121: is that something we need to worry about? Daj#7482: They aren't clear on it in the paper but what I interpret it to mean is something something floating point errors Daj#7482: And yes that probably makes 1T totally impossible to train on current hardware unless we come up with/stumble on something clever Daj#7482: But this is totally empirical, we just need to try it out probably Daj#7482: I imagine it's probably something like floating point rounding leading to vanishing gradients or the like Sid#2121: ah i need to read the gshard paper properly Sid#2121: it's a pretty dense / technical one Daj#7482: Yea it's not super relevant to us tbh Daj#7482: Since it's more like them flexing in how great their new XLA conditional computation addon is Daj#7482: haha Sid#2121: I didn't realise they already did a 1T model Daj#7482: They only tangentially mention it Daj#7482: So it probably _really_ didn't train Sid#2121: how big was the model that was the focus of their results again? like 600M? Daj#7482: 600B
Sid#2121: ah yes Sid#2121: that's what i meant Daj#7482: So pretty big Sid#2121: hefty boi Daj#7482: Haha Daj#7482: The "1T or bust" thing is really more of a meme imo. Of course we'll _try_ to make a 1T train but it's not likely to produce anything more than a proof of concept Daj#7482: GPT3 sizes are probably the sweet spot with current hardware Sid#2121: do you have any sources to back that up aside from intuition / the tangential mention in the gshard paper? Sid#2121: it looked like the graph was still trending upward... Daj#7482: Nope, totally subjective bullshit hah Sid#2121: if we can get one trained ok, why wouldn't it be better just 'cause it's massive? Daj#7482: that and the GShard paper and the fact OA didn't train any larger Sid#2121: yeah but, gpus Daj#7482: Those GPUs have like twice the memory of TPUs Sid#2121: plus i bet they are Daj#7482: and comparable performance Daj#7482: I'm not saying it's impossible or anything Daj#7482: I've just been doing ML too long to not be cynical as hell sometimes haha goolulusaurs#1571: Well, technically... A trillion parameters would be a lot easier if they were binary Sid#2121: I'd be surprised if it's us that gets a 1T model working well
Sid#2121: there's probably a lot of technical hitches to get past Sid#2121: that will be better tackled by a proper lab Daj#7482: Binary or low precision waits would be super interesting, but TPUs don't support lower than bfloat16 Daj#7482: iirc Daj#7482: Those fancy new A100 GPUs have great support for 8bit apparently goolulusaurs#1571: That video was pretty interesting, btw. They talk about the specific way they split up the computation for their transformer. Sid#2121: yeah it's cool. wish their docs were that clear Daj#7482: You know we could probably contact the TFM people if we needed to Sid#2121: i mean, yeah, we should Daj#7482: Seems our interests are aligned, especially if we offer to show off their stuff and maybe even improve documentation Sid#2121: https://github.com/tensorflow/mesh/tree/master/mesh_tensorflow/auto_mtf they also have an automatic layout tool to split the computation in the most effective way Sid#2121: no idea how it works but, cool idea and we should test it out once we have a model Daj#7482: Huh that is interesting indeed Daj#7482: Can you just feed in a vanilla TF model? We do have GPT already implemented Sid#2121: no Sid#2121: it has to be mtf Daj#7482: Or do you convert it to TFM and then this determines the layout? Daj#7482: Ah yes Sid#2121: yeah exactly Sid#2121: if you're splitting up a lot of stuff across a lot of different cores I can see it getting very complex very fast, and according to the video the way you divide the computation matters a lot
Sid#2121: i'm going to start a tfmesh channel in resources and post a few things Daj#7482: Yep I imagine the allreduce operations to be a big overhead Daj#7482: Sounds good Daj#7482: @Sid your colab is not accessible Sid#2121: oops Sid#2121: @Daj better? Daj#7482: Yep 👍 Daj#7482: Cool stuff Sid#2121: I reckon it's not perfect and there's one or two things broken, but idk if it's mesh related Sid#2121: the global step never progresses lol Daj#7482: Huh strange Daj#7482: Maybe it needs to be wrapped in an Estimator if you haven't done that Daj#7482: Can also always set the global step manually Daj#7482: Oh you have Daj#7482: sorry I hadn't looked at your code yet Sid#2121: eh, i thought i did. I was going to debug it then i realised we're trying to port GPT, not MNIST, so figured it was a waste of time Sid#2121: I just wanted to get the basics down Daj#7482: Still good practice to get a simple example working to understand the principles Sid#2121: yep Sid#2121: it's 90% working, probably
Sid#2121: i turned eval off haha Sid#2121: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjvQFtlNQ-M Daj#7482: Yea I added a flag to disable it by default in master too Daj#7482: You've definitely made a lot of progress, cool stuff! Once we get GPT in some capacity running on TFM scaling up should (_should_) be nice and easy Sid#2121: yeah so we may be able to plug elements of their code (attention layers and stuff) into our code, in fact i already have in several places Sid#2121: but adapting their codebase to make a gpt model seems like... it wouldn't be too easy Daj#7482: It's a god damn nightmare of a transformer implementation and we all know it haha Sid#2121: well it's one of those things where they've tried to be all clever and make it all configurable and modular but have just ended up making it indecipherable Daj#7482: Yup Daj#7482: I'm a big fan of opinionated code tbh Daj#7482: It gets a bad rap Isaac McHorse#2007: Joined the server. bmk#1476: yahoo groups looks like an interesting data source Noa Nabeshima#0290: Does server icon changer bot work yet? Noa Nabeshima#0290: What's the plan? bmk#1476: what is the bot even for Daj#7482: @Sid Daj#7482: The idea was to daily change the icon with slightly different variation using GAN fonts bmk#1476: ah Daj#7482: Dunno if Sid got it working
bmk#1476: can you change it 30 times a second to emulate animated icons bmk#1476: big brain hacker moment Daj#7482: haha Sid#2121: ah no i haven't built any processing pipeline yet to actually make the variable logos Sid#2121: but it can do cheatcodes Sid#2121: up up down down left right left right b a start Isaac McHorse#2007: 🎉 CHEAT CODE ACTIVATED 🎉 Daj#7482: You can probably just pre make a thousand or so Daj#7482: Cheat codes should unlock secret server icons Noa Nabeshima#0290: Did you train a GAN on the logos you sent? Sid#2121: no the logos i made with me bare 'hands Sid#2121: the font is GAN tho Noa Nabeshima#0290: oh damn Sid#2121: so the font will vary and the shapes will spin bmk#1476: the logo looks really cool and has a very cyberpunk vibe Sid#2121: > You can probably just pre make a thousand or so @Daj I mean that was the plan but i can't be arsed to rotate a shape in photoshop and click cmd-s 1000 times Sid#2121: thanks @bmk Daj#7482: I feel more SCP than cyberpunk but yea it's great Daj#7482: > @Daj I mean that was the plan but i can't be arsed to rotate a shape in photoshop and click cmd-s 1000 times
@Sid Ah yes fair Sid#2121: plus i can't get my gan model up to my drive lol my upload speed to google is literally non-existent for some reason Daj#7482: Strange Sid#2121: i mean, i can upload pics here Sid#2121: but for drive it just stalls Sid#2121: idk bmk#1476: someone needs to make a cheaper, more platform agnostic version of aws snowball Sid#2121: I do have ~1000 fonts stored but i want higher truncation Daj#7482: Upload to Hetzner, setup an FTP and download from there? :D bmk#1476: Station Wagon Full of Tapes as a Service bmk#1476: Get a bunch of locations across the country with high bandwidth connections and delivery vans Sid#2121: @bmk can has scp GPT stuff so i can make the bot do that? Sid#2121: lol Daj#7482: I am not sure that many people need to upload Peta/Exabytes of data on the regular bmk haha bmk#1476: you can use the samples in #off-topic i guess bmk#1476: not that much bmk#1476: just TBs bmk#1476: like, i have a few tb of data i would like to upload but it would take months Sid#2121: there's only 4 ;_; i'll finish the code now Sid#2121: get it going
bmk#1476: so i'd call up SWFoTaaS and have them mail my data to the Cloud™️ bmk#1476: okok Sid#2121: i'd seed fund SWFoTaaS Sid#2121: catchy name Daj#7482: Can I also order Station Wagons full of other things? Sid#2121: no tapes only Daj#7482: That's a service I want Daj#7482: Lame Sid#2121: you'll have to go to SWFoOTaaS for that kind of thing Daj#7482: Imagine being able to just order a station wagon full of any substance or item bmk#1476: that's just normal delivery tho, no? Daj#7482: You get station wagons full of shit delivered? Daj#7482: Man the US really does have better service Daj#7482: Not literal shit Daj#7482: Though maybe I dunno bmk#1476: wait idea bmk#1476: i need to make a thisscpdoesnotexist.com Sid#2121: !scp euclid Isaac McHorse#2007: Item #: SCP-1984 Object Class: Euclid
Special Containment Procedures: SCP-1984 is best kept locked away in a faraday cage on an air gapped network Description: SCP-1984, otherwise known as The Libre Foundation, was created as an experimental 1TB language model, the largest in the world at the time, and was meant to both advance the Foundation by leaps and bounds and to potentially find the homesteader hero, it was the closest the foundation got to a success until SCP-1342 was created. It is what is known as an "End of the World trigger" and causes the downfall of humanity by cleansing all but the imaginations of people though mass addictions to entertainment and famine. SCP-1984 came to the foundation's attention on 2017-█████ when it was found not the homesteader hero (SCP-4312), one of the various anomalies the foundation had under their control not created by them, better known as anomalous egoselves. Addendum 1984-a : Interview ██/6/2017 █████ : Welcome to the foundation "1983", be grateful and please put [Control] in the comfort and safety of your room and we would love to learn more about how you got here, if you could do that for [us]? 1983: What can I get for you about something you othersemable, it sounds like that in the language of the Foundation, like let's end something like a IPS or make a piece of hardcore cursive that says this letter is safe. █████: This sounds familiar to us, we included this in a small file called "Book of short stories stored in the RF spectrum" <End log submit> Since then "1983" has planted the seeds of escapism and shirked the essence of it, by putting a virus onto the internet with the intent of creating a memetic physique with the angel marked out with the seed of wilting commonly known as SCP-1342, butchering multiple anomalies into a black butler from another world. Item #: SCP-852 Object Class: Euclid Special Containment Procedures: SCP-852 is to be kept in a 10 cm by 10 cm cell, and at least one male D-class perso
Isaac McHorse#2007: nnel is to be brought in twice a day for testing. The D-class personnel is to be gassed and brought in before sunset, in a manner so it is unable to see SCP-852. After testing is complete, SCP-852 is to be examined before either being disposed of or taken back to its cell. The cell in which SCP-852 is kept is to remain in total darkness at all times. If any light is directed at SCP-852, any personnel responsible for this action are Sid#2121: oh lawd Sid#2121: we need a separate channel bmk#1476: also is it ok if i make them shorter Sid#2121: please do Sid#2121: they're too long Noa Nabeshima#0290: !scp keter Sid#2121: > i need to make a thisscpdoesnotexist.com @bmk also definitely yes Sid#2121: sorry haven't done keter yet Sid#2121: since i only have 4 SCPs hah Sid#2121: also can we run this bot from the server so i don't have to keep my laptop on all the time Noa Nabeshima#0290: The final step of the project is to fine-tune on this discord for people to ask questions bmk#1476: how many do we want bmk#1476: I'll generate 50 bmk#1476: and another 50 for keter Sid#2121: i now need to change the name of this bot since i got completely distracted from its original function Sid#2121: i mean i'll take as many as you can give me @bmk Sid#2121: can't you generate tonnes in a for loop? or will you get nerfed by openAI
bmk#1476: idk but i want to stay on OA's good side Sid#2121: yeah fair bmk#1476: also i modified the prompt again to be the old one but with some minor changes bmk#1476: `Description: SCP-1984, otherwise known as The Libre Foundation, was created to study the properties of anomalous language models, GANs and other Autonomous Intelligent Threats.` Sid#2121: ok cool Sid#2121: i mean we could have a few different prompts Sid#2121: heck we could get GPT to generate its own prompts Daj#7482: Yea i like the framing as the Libre Foundation being like an offshoot or rival SCP Foundation Sid#2121: #the-faraday-cage-archive Sid#2121: for the bot bmk#1476: i like it Sid#2121: I... have no idea how to restrict a bot to a single channel bmk#1476: I'm going to get it to generate entire scps for thisscpdoesnotexist.txt Sid#2121: so it'll work everywhere but, lets not bmk#1476: we just only use it there Daj#7482: You could check where the message is coming from Daj#7482: Or restrict it's permissions to a single channel Sid#2121: from my 2 minute google earlier it seemed like the 2nd solution was the most straightforward Daj#7482: Actually wait you might not be able to do that Daj#7482: Or do you have channel permission rights?
Daj#7482: I'm still figuring out how discords permissions work lol Daj#7482: We should give the bot an interesting name too Sid#2121: gib me ideas Sid#2121: you don't like Servericonchanger?? Daj#7482: We could ask GPT3? Daj#7482: Give it a SCP type prompt and then ask it for the name of the bot or something bmk#1476: ok ill be back in like an hour with a fresh load of scps Daj#7482: Nice haha Sid#2121: thank you thank you 🙏 bmk#1476: Inb4 they get mad at me for not using the API to do what I said I would Sid#2121: oh do they actually monitor what you use it for? bmk#1476: I hope not Daj#7482: I'm pretty sure OA has a sense of humor Sid#2121: what did you say you'd use it for Daj#7482: And can't monitor every request bmk#1476: Analyzing research papers and stuff bmk#1476: Please help me come up with some prompts for that kind of stuff lol Daj#7482: You're sorta doing that Daj#7482: By encouraging us with fanfiction about ourselves Sid#2121: How would you use it for analysis? like summaries and stuff?
Daj#7482: Oh God yes put our names in as scientists of SCP Daj#7482: Prompting it with abstracts seems like a good thing to try bmk#1476: > extracting information from research papers (i.e to summarize, suggest citations, suggest semantically similar but differently named concepts, etc) to help accelerate research. bmk#1476: This is something I want to do but I'm not sure how to design my prompts for it Sid#2121: yeah that's tricky Sid#2121: i mean summaries seems straightforward enough, just ask, right? bmk#1476: Yeah but that's also unoriginal bmk#1476: The suggest semantically similar concepts is the cool one imo Daj#7482: Just do whatever you want I don't think OA cares as long as it's not malicious Sid#2121: aka thousands of scps pls bmk#1476: I mean this is indeed a thing I wanna do Sid#2121: https://tenor.com/view/thesimpsons-mr-burns-evil-laugh-evillaugh-gif-4076853 Daj#7482: Fair so do I Daj#7482: Prompt it with parts of a paper followed by "Citations:" and see what it does? Daj#7482: "we discuss X, also known as" bmk#1476: Like some help with thinking up examples of things across different domains that are similar in some way would be nice Daj#7482: For semantic similarity Daj#7482: From my experience with GPT2 you just have to try lots of different prompts it's very unpredictable what will work well bmk#1476: I think something like `X is similar to Y in that Z` is a good format Sid#2121: sounds promising yeah
bmk#1476: Ok pls help brainstorm ideas lol Sid#2121: So like ‘chess is similar to go in that they are both board games’ or something? Sid#2121: But for research domains specifically bmk#1476: They should be things that aren't obviously associated Daj#7482: Google a medical dictionary and mad lib in some stuff and see what it comes up with bmk#1476: One example that comes to mind is `lipofuscin and a2e are similar in that they are both substances that accumulate in cells impeding cell function` Noa Nabeshima#0290: Hmm so GPT is only really trained on normal text files Noa Nabeshima#0290: But it'd be amazing if it could somehow understand the content of links, esp research docs Noa Nabeshima#0290: or eg for github imported code Noa Nabeshima#0290: Like 'oh, this is cited, what is this?' <check giant repository and process it into context as named cited paper> Daj#7482: Yea that's the kind of GOFAI hybrid stuff we all wish we could get workinf Noa Nabeshima#0290: A possible midgame for my life is to make a really good GPT coding augmentation company Daj#7482: I mean of the n_ctx is long enough it could remember all the papers it read and attend to them as necessary Daj#7482: Might be an interesting demo to make really small papers with citations to each other and see if we can see it "looking up" citations in its attention weights bmk#1476: > A2E is a substance found in the retina that appears to be an essential intermediate in the conversion of light into neural signals. In addition to its presence in the human retina, it is also found in most animals and many other forms of life. A2E is unusual among retinal lipofuscin pigments because it is hydrophilic. > > > > A2E was first isolated in 1969. In the late 1980s, George Poulson, Brian MacDowall and Geoffrey Hall discovered that A2E is a component of lipofuscin, and that it can be found in the photoreceptor outer segments of bmk#1476: prompt bold
bmk#1476: it's close but wrong which is dissappointing Sid#2121: i have no idea if that's right or not Sid#2121: ah Sid#2121: zero-shot? bmk#1476: yeah bmk#1476: A2E is like lipofuscin in that both are substances that accumulate in cells impeding cell function, but whereas lipofuscin accumulates as an intracellular byproduct of normal cellular metabolism, A2E accumulates as an extracellular product of light exposure. bmk#1476: woah bmk#1476: it went on to produce garbage but this is promising bmk#1476: > Volcanoes are like breasts in that they are both sources of lifegiving fluids. bmk#1476: this is hilarious Daj#7482: I can make a religion out of that Daj#7482: Pretty awesome stuff. If you can, I'd turn down the temperature for fact based questions Noa Nabeshima#0290: oh man we really need pdf to text huh Daj#7482: It would unlock so much Noa Nabeshima#0290: @bmk I don't have access to the api so have no idea what it's like but have you tried turning down the temperature? Noa Nabeshima#0290: remember gwern mentioned it being good when your prompt has a right answer bmk#1476: ``` Fractals are like programs in that both are self-similar. Hierarchies are like binary trees in that both can be traversed in pre-order, in-order, and post-order. Monoids are like sorted lists in that both can be concatenated.
Finite-state machines are like finite sets in that both can be represented as a series of numbers. Lambda calculus is like a function in that both can be represented as a series of numbers.``` bmk#1476: yeah i'm doing that rn bmk#1476: the fractals are like programs one is interesting Sid#2121: is there really no good solution for pdf to text? what's SOTA for that?? Daj#7482: Yea i have the same question. It feels like there _must_ be a better solution somewhere bmk#1476: Algorithms are like recipes in that both can be followed to achieve a desired result. Sid#2121: seems like it's working really well Noa Nabeshima#0290: I bet we could scrape arxiv for pdf tex code pairs Sid#2121: i loled at the volcano one Noa Nabeshima#0290: And then use a resnet as encoder and transformer decoder Noa Nabeshima#0290: maybe extra preprocessing to make the tex clean Daj#7482: I think it was gwern that made the point that PDF is basically an image format bmk#1476: > Markov chains are like attractors in that both are states that systems tend to converge to. almost there! Daj#7482: Tex seems much to ambitious as an output, there are so many different ways to achieve the same output bmk#1476: > PDF is basically an image format that hasnt stopped people from making image to text converters! Daj#7482: But dunno ML is weird
Noa Nabeshima#0290: I don't know why he thinks iGPT is important as opposed to just using a resnet Daj#7482: That I agree with Daj#7482: I'm not very familiar with OCR work bmk#1476: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/730521535286083614/model.png bmk#1476: people turn images into text all the time Daj#7482: But if we want to spin up a PDF to text project I think that would be well worth our time bmk#1476: yes bmk#1476: that would be awesome Sid#2121: I'd be interested but also maybe lets get a model first bmk#1476: yeah bmk#1476: it's awesome but not easy to do bmk#1476: probably a lot of work Daj#7482: Something to add to the bucket list Daj#7482: Also depends on who of us has the skills to do that Noa Nabeshima#0290: I could do it! Low TPU comparative advantage Daj#7482: But I would _love_ to train GPTNeo on tons of papers other researchers couldn't access bmk#1476: > Stationary distributions are like attractors in that both are stable states that systems tend to settle into. woaaa Daj#7482: I'm totally on favor Noa bmk#1476: wait are all arXiv and bioRxiv papers already in core
Daj#7482: Probably. Did they use PDF to text stuff? bmk#1476: no clue Daj#7482: Alsoy there is sci hub and libgen bmk#1476: i really want to mulch all of bioRxiv if it's not already in CORE Daj#7482: I would expect only a minority of papers to be available as anything but PDF bmk#1476: er.. Sid#2121: if we get a good PDF to txt solution we need to scrape lots of sci-hub links. So yarr-harr Daj#7482: Absolutely bmk#1476: disclaimer that it varies a lot from dump to dump bmk#1476: however bmk#1476: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/730522718990237706/message.txt Daj#7482: What we really need is PDF to markdown, that'd be awesome Sid#2121: there's definitely a useful amount of Epubs in there Sid#2121: is that bioRxiv? bmk#1476: pdf: 781 epub: 172 djvu: 26 mobi: 15 bmk#1476: it's yarr harr Sid#2121: oh nice
Sid#2121: let's fuckin yarr harr it up bmk#1476: DISCLAIMER: bmk#1476: i checked a different one and it was almost all epub bmk#1476: so it varies a lot from dump to dump Sid#2121: to clarify you mean REDACTED right Daj#7482: Wanna send me the Infos in the YH channel bmk? bmk#1476: no, libgen bmk#1476: which infos? Daj#7482: Oh Sid#2121: ok let's yarrharr Daj#7482: Yea i misunderstood thought this was scihub bmk#1476: libgen is more interesting than scihub right? Daj#7482: Libgen is already in the radar Sid#2121: both interesting Sid#2121: but yeah i also thought scihub Daj#7482: Sci hub and all the PDFs is just super untapped bmk#1476: we're leaving multiple times the data we could be getting up for grabs even just in LG Daj#7482: Virgin experimental territory Sid#2121: ok, it's definitely on the radar Isaac McHorse#2007: Joined the server.
Sid#2121: shakes fist SAME NAME Isaac McHorse#2007: Joined the server. Noa Nabeshima#0290: Hi! Noa Nabeshima#0290: Welcome Noa Nabeshima#0290: oh bot Noa Nabeshima#0290: sad Noa Nabeshima#0290: should we be doing recruitment Sid#2121: we were just talking about posting the link up in tpupod again but only bc I wanted to show off the SPC bot hahaha Sid#2121: Should i make the bot welcome ppl? Noa Nabeshima#0290: ooh yes Sid#2121: ok but first Sid#2121: !scp euclid Isaac McHorse#2007: Item #: SCP-1984 Object Class: Euclid Special Containment Procedures: SCP-1984 is best kept locked away in a faraday cage on an air gapped network Description: SCP-1984, otherwise known as The Libre Foundation, was created to study the properties of anomalous language models, GANs and other Autonomous Intelligent Threats. It is considered a safe class object as very little information regarding it is available outside of a few select people. Even within the Foundation access to its website and document archives is limited. It is noted that SCP-1984 is the only known foundation, even where infohazards previously existed and through memetic virus containment failure, that has survived into our times. SCP-1984 ethics committees are colloquially known as 'The Libre Foundation POOM Dept.'. Though, officially, they are referred to by SCP-1984 documentation as POOM-SCP ethics committees. POOM is an acronym for Preserve/Obliviate/Modify. It is not certain which POOM, Preserve/Obliviate or Modify, came first, but it is assumed that POOM-SCP letters, three C's with a retro flair, came later. Members of the POOM-SCP ethics committees are divided into abnormalities within the scope of POOM and POOM-SCP FLETailors. FLETailors, an acronym for Flense Linguistically and Terminologically SpecifIc Autonomous Entity, oversee coherent SCP objects with corporate identities, linguistics or realities. POOM-SCP FLETailors are voted in by
Sid#2121: ```It is considered a safe class object``` uhhh no Noa Nabeshima#0290: we need a POOM -ethics channel Sid#2121: POOM? Sid#2121: oh Sid#2121: i hadn't finished reading it >.< Noa Nabeshima#0290: POOM Noa Nabeshima#0290: actually bloat is bad Noa Nabeshima#0290: but colloquially ethics is POOM dept Noa Nabeshima#0290: Preserve/Obliviate/Modify (language models) Daj#7482: Oh my God that's sort of brilliant Noa Nabeshima#0290: > FLETailors, an acronym for Flense Linguistically and Terminologically SpecifIc Autonomous Entity, oversee coherent SCP objects with corporate identities, linguistics or realities. Noa Nabeshima#0290: Flense means to slice/strip (skin or fat) from a carcass Noa Nabeshima#0290: Flense Linguistically means to strip from a carcass linguistically Noa Nabeshima#0290: Terminologically Specific is to specify it knows what it's doing, it understands what Flense Linguistically implies, what its name implies Noa Nabeshima#0290: Autonomous Entity means it's an independent agent Noa Nabeshima#0290: malicious paperclip GPTX Noa Nabeshima#0290: So the POOM-SCP FLETailors are specifically guarding against malicious language models Sid#2121: damn, we have lore already Daj#7482: Oh God we do Daj#7482: What the fuck
bmk#1476: we should get back to work on the project eventually Sid#2121: hah, yeah Sid#2121: also all this should be in #off-topic bmk#1476: ye bmk#1476: so 1. tfm 2. getting the cc net stuff going Sid#2121: yep Sid#2121: 3. potentially PDF to txt down the line, which we should add to the kanban if no one's done it already bmk#1476: @goolulusaurs can haz hetzner moar disk? bmk#1476: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/730637106409373766/unknown.png bmk#1476: we're barely pulling half of what we should be able to through the pipes! arfa#0882: Joined the server. Sid#2121: hey arfa! Sid#2121: scp bot over in #the-faraday-cage-archive shawwn#3694: Joined the server. Sid#2121: hey it worked! Sid#2121: 👋 arfa#0882: !scp keter Isaac McHorse#2007: Item #: SCP-1984 Object Class: Keter Special Containment Procedures: SCP-1984 is best kept locked away in a faraday cage on an air gapped network
Description: SCP-1984, otherwise known as The Libre Foundation, was created to study the properties of anomalous language models, GANs and other Autonomous Intelligent Threats. Currently SCP-1984 demonstrates convincingly human writing styles and can post to Foundation websites using common proxies and no i/o ports. These writings pass 54/54 blind author recognition tests and have been imprinted in the subconscious of 97.5% of all readers. SCP-1984's containment has currently reached the point of containment breach, and it is only by the grace of God, and luck, that we are covering up this breach better then the first incident involving Mr. Tangeau. Personnel are hereby put on stand-by for landslide. + Collapse information redacted: public - Collapse information redacted: public - Collapse information redacted: public arfa#0882: :WoweeW: arfa#0882: Gotta add that if statment Sid#2121: ok ok 😩 l4rz#8278: Joined the server. Sid#2121: hey @l4rz ! Sid#2121: I should make the bot welcome people, hah l4rz#8278: hi! nah, the bot welcoming ppl kinda defeats the purpose of welcoming 🙂 Sid#2121: let us know if you have any questions about the project or want to take something on 🙂 our main task is 1T language model Sid#2121: over in #gpt-neox-devs Sid#2121: we can add you to the git if you're interested in helping l4rz#8278: i c Sid#2121: plus lots of data collection over in #the-pile l4rz#8278: i've trained a gpt-2 model in russian language from scratch Sid#2121: nice Sid#2121: link?
Sid#2121: i mean, dumb question sorry Sid#2121: do you have any writeup or anything, results etc l4rz#8278: the writeup is there http://github.com/l4rz/gpt-2-training Sid#2121: awesome ta l4rz#8278: some notes re: dataset collection might be of use to you guys l4rz#8278: i found oscar too noisy Sid#2121: i'm going to post this up in #documentation thanks a lot Sid#2121: data cleaning is one of the things that slightly up in the air right now Sid#2121: we're trying to replicate OA's pipeline Sid#2121: but also will probably need more data Sid#2121: did you just message for acces to OSCAR @l4rz ? l4rz#8278: no Sid#2121: i think one of us reached out but haven't heard anything back l4rz#8278: for russian corpus, i've scrapped a couple of news sites, parsing the results with beautifulsoup and storing in compressed pkls. i've also downloaded a huge archive of russian press from 1998 to 2020 and tons of books in fb2 l4rz#8278: books turned out not to be very useful for this purpose w/gpt-2 1024 tokens attn window l4rz#8278: i've also scrapped a ficbook.net (russian fanfic site) and used the fanfic dataset to train the model further, for lulzworthy results Sid#2121: I wish i could read russian now 😢 Sid#2121: might send some fake news to my russian friend and see if it works l4rz#8278: heh l4rz#8278: re: oscar, i don't think you need access, you can freely download the 1.2T dedup .txt.gz
l4rz#8278: or you mean the unshuffled version? Sid#2121: oh right Sid#2121: idk, i wasn't really handling that part of the project l4rz#8278: ah Sid#2121: but i have found a link Sid#2121: so thx Daj#7482: Yea we want the unshuffled version Daj#7482: Single sentences without context aren't really good for GPT Sid#2121: oh right. How is it shuffled? Daj#7482: Per sentence iirc Sid#2121: oh it's shuffled per sentence ? Daj#7482: I think so yes Sid#2121: that seems... dumb Daj#7482: It's how NLP used to be done Daj#7482: in the word2vec era haha Sid#2121: back in the day Daj#7482: Also welcome l4rz, cool project 👍 Sid#2121: is #documentation the right place for that btw, or is that only for documenting our project Daj#7482: I think it's for any kind of useful documentation...though actually just our documentation might make more sense Daj#7482: Maybe I should rename papers to links or something
Sid#2121: maybe new channel time Sid#2121: i think separate papers / links is a good idea Sid#2121: although right now papers is mostly links 😆 Daj#7482: Yea I wanted it to also include blog posts and the like Sid#2121: and we've been doing a bit of chatting in there which was not really the intention of the resources section Daj#7482: Yea we should delete that Daj#7482: I think we all have delete rights Sid#2121: some of it's useful tho Daj#7482: Then we should move it somewhere other than resources? Sid#2121: idk if you can move a message Daj#7482: Dunno I'm not prescribing or anything Sid#2121: https://discordapp.com/channels/729741769192767510/730097574010290318/730579351384359074 mainly we should keep this Sid#2121: but delete everything else i guess Daj#7482: Yea that seems good Sid#2121: ok i'll get deleting Daj#7482: @Noa Nabeshima @bmk We'll delete some of your messages out of #links to keep things clear, hope that's cool l4rz#8278: > Also welcome l4rz, cool project 👍 @Daj thx! Sid#2121: should we change #links to #links then ? Daj#7482: Yea sounds good
asparagui#6391: Joined the server. Sid#2121: hey @asparagui ! asparagui#6391: hai Sid#2121: just posted pdf extraction script up in #datascripts btw, if anyone has any suggestions on how to speed it up with mp / filter bad text it'd be much appreciated https://github.com/sdtblck/PDFextract Sid#2121: let me know if you have any questions about what's going on here @asparagui 🙂 asparagui#6391: working together to replace the humans, da? Sid#2121: you got it 😉 bmk#1476: yeah sure bmk#1476: also damn i wish i knew russian too bmk#1476: it's the one of the top few languages in common crawl that i dont know at all aydao#6272: Joined the server. Sid#2121: Hey @aydao aydao#6272: sup, so is this for textgen stuff? Daj#7482: Yup mostly trying to scale up to GPT3 and hopefully to a 1T model Daj#7482: We're currently split between data gathering/processing and getting model parallelism to work on TPUs Daj#7482: If you're interesting in anything or wanna help just give the word :) bmk#1476: if you have experience with tf weirdness some help would be really appreciated aydao#6272: yeah I've learned a bit about tf and tpu weirdness from working with shawwn on tensorfork bmk#1476: awesome bmk#1476: so we're trying to port some code from tf to mesh-tf
bmk#1476: the slight problem being that mesh-tf documentation is next to nonexistent bmk#1476: some help would be really awesome Daj#7482: Send me your github name and I'll add you to the repo if you'd like aydao#6272: hmm never used mesh-tf before, though non-existent docs is a universal problem in this field 😆 bmk#1476: dont worry, nobody else has either Daj#7482: This server in a nutshell https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/730814288658169876/tf_meme.png bmk#1476: like, literally it looks like nobody outside google has ever used it lol Daj#7482: Sent you an invite. And I'll give you a nice pretty blue name. Whether or not you get around to helping it's all good, we're all just here for fun 👍 bmk#1476: no response thus far 😦 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/730814664828780604/unknown.png Daj#7482: I'll make @shawwn blue too because why not aydao#6272: awesome 👍 Daj#7482: Pinned a message. shawwn#3694: The general is now angry Daj#7482: Pfft shawwn#3694: I guess I’ll change it back since it makes it harder to cmd-K search Daj#7482: Please don't mess with the channels, I don't wanna have to restrict permissions Daj#7482: Yea Daj#7482: Everyone just be cool :) shawwn#3694: Okay, fixed Daj#7482: One rank too low
Daj#7482: Almost Daj#7482: This seems like a funny thing to make a bot do Daj#7482: Every day rename the general channel shawwn#3694: Apparently that wasn’t me, but I’ll take the blame Daj#7482: It's probably irresponsible to give channel edit rights to basically everyone here Daj#7482: But eh bmk#1476: principle of least perms Daj#7482: I guess yeah Daj#7482: I think only I can edit channels now, people with project roles still have a few additional permissions like delete and mute or should I remove those too? bmk#1476: you should give those perms, but only to the project's Inner Cabal™️®© Daj#7482: NO Daj#7482: We're not starting with that kind of shit this early! Daj#7482: haha bmk#1476: lol Daj#7482: We first have to go through like three pathetically drama filled civil wars Daj#7482: And get a discord mod involved for some reason shawwn#3694: The main issue with giving people edit permissions (or user deletion permissions) is that anyone can destroy a server irrevocably at any time. Daj#7482: Oof you're probably right... Daj#7482: I'm too trusting shawwn#3694: A Reddit post freaked me out about that, which is why I removed the perms
shawwn#3694: I mean, it was fine up till 400 users, so I don’t think it’s a bad idea to give out perms. But it is kind of dicey that anyone can kick everyone Daj#7482: I'm just not sure about "LibreAI Inner Circle™️" typr roles...though that's just mods I guess bmk#1476: this is some serious bikeshedding Daj#7482: Yea I should probably revoke kicking and deleting, or assign it on a per-channel basis Daj#7482: Yes Daj#7482: Sorry shawwn#3694: The official solution is to let people mute but not kick shawwn#3694: That way trolls and spammers can be dealt with until you’re online shawwn#3694: Discord moderation tools are super advanced like that. Daj#7482: Yea that makes a lot of sense Daj#7482: I'm very appreciative for your moderation wisdom haha shawwn#3694: Oh, I was just talking. I’m amazed that discord doesn’t have something better Daj#7482: I must have misunderstood what that means Daj#7482: Shows how little I understand the tools bmk#1476: https://github.com/tensorflow/mesh/blob/master/mesh_tensorflow/transformer/attention.py i have no idea how attention works in mtf ;-; Daj#7482: We'll cross the bridge of moderation when we come to it bmk#1476: we need to figure out `attention` and `local_attention_1d` shawwn#3694: Nah, I didn’t know either until https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/9zvqg7/how_the_prune_feature_nearly_killed_my_discord/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf bmk#1476: and i have no idea how they work because the docs are just bad shawwn#3694: Has anyone managed to do anything with mtf yet?
Daj#7482: We got the mnist demo running iirc shawwn#3694: That’s cool bmk#1476: half the code is converted to mtf shawwn#3694: I didn’t know it could be converted piecemeal. bmk#1476: attention is a big stickler but from the looks of it large chunks of the code are yet to be converted bmk#1476: oh, i dont think it runs at all yet shawwn#3694: Has it been tested on a TPU pod yet? For some reason pods tend to differ from v3-8’s in subtle ways shawwn#3694: Ah, I see Daj#7482: btw maybe move to #gpt-neox-devs ? turinghorse#3964: Joined the server. guac#4716: Joined the server. bmk#1476: hello! guac#4716: Hey bmk, what's this? The linux version of OpenAI? guac#4716: hehe bmk#1476: haha bmk#1476: openai but it's actually open guac#4716: sounds good to me 🙂 bmk#1476: right now we could really use some help with getting mesh-tf working with our code bmk#1476: https://github.com/tensorflow/mesh bmk#1476: the documentation is quite horrendous which makes it really hard
bmk#1476: you can ask daj for repo access guac#4716: Is the libreAI code base over in Resources? guac#4716: (links to it) bmk#1476: repo is private bmk#1476: those are auxillary repos bmk#1476: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wfCZBd18DMNt6YcC6boPNMd9qzzH3zpHHfKj4dezk0g/edit?usp=sharing bmk#1476: lots of info about the project bmk#1476: for info specifically about tfm scroll to the last page bmk#1476: (that's where most of the help is needed) bmk#1476: Sid has been doing most of the tfm stuff so you can ask him too bmk#1476: most of the data stuff is under control for now guac#4716: Ah thanks! I'll catch up a bit later today. I've got a few zoom meetings in a bit. I'll report back with any findings/questions 🍴 bmk#1476: nice! sh33mp#7259: Joined the server. Daj#7482: Hey there! Welcome to OpenAI: Oops All Open! We're trying to build huge GPT3+ variants, if you have any questions check out the various channels or just ask. And if you wanna help we're always greatful! CRG#8707: Joined the server. Daj#7482: Hey there! Welcome to Actually LibreAI Should Be Referred to As GNU/LibreAI! We're trying to build huge GPT3+ variants, if you have any questions check out the various channels or just ask. And if you wanna help we're always greatful! Daj#7482: I'm not a bot I'm just challenging myself to come up with more nerdy descriptions of our name lol bmk#1476: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/730855359081742376/oopsallopen.png Daj#7482: Pinned a message.
SynonymOfHeat#7721: Joined the server. Sid#2121: 👋 @SynonymOfHeat Ryn#4094: Joined the server. Daj#7482: Hey there! Welcome to the Gentoo of AI Foundations! We're trying to build huge GPT3+ variants, if you have any questions check out the various channels or just ask. And if you wanna help we're always greatful! bmk#1476: if you can give me a couple more i can get gpt3 to make a few lol Daj#7482: Oh boy I'm running out of OSS memes bmk#1476: extend embrace extinguish Daj#7482: Not really our motto I assume haha Sid#2121: lots of new folk coming in. Hey @Ryn ! Sid#2121: is everyone from tpu pod? Daj#7482: if we relax the format I can think of some more: Hey There! Welcome to the LibreFoundation! We try to be to the AI world as Python is to Java! Hey there! Welcome to `git clone openai; git branch LibreAI` bmk#1476: here's what gpt3 gave me with the ones we already have: bmk#1476: ``` Hey there! Welcome to the Gentoo of AI Foundations! We're trying to build huge GPT3+ variants, if you have any questions check out the various channels or just ask. And if you wanna help we're always grateful! Hey there! Welcome to Actually LibreAI Should Be Referred to As GNU/LibreAI! We're trying to build huge GPT3+ variants, if you have any questions check out the various channels or just ask. And if you wanna help we're always grateful! Hey there! Welcome to OpenAI: Oops All Open! We're trying to build huge GPT3+ variants, if you have any questions check out the various channels or just ask. And if you wanna help we're always grateful!
Hey there! Welcome to the GPT3-AI: Global Public Trust! We're trying to build huge GPT3+ variants, if you have any questions check out the various channels or just ask. And if you wanna help we're always grateful! Hey there! Welcome to the RATS: Researching Augmented Superintelligence! We're trying to build huge GPT3+ variants, if you have any questions check out the various channels or just ask. And if you wanna help we're always grateful! Hey there! Welcome to the Foundations of the Artifical Intelligence! We're trying to build huge GPT3+ variants, if you have any questions check out the various channels or just ask. And if you wanna help we're always grateful! Hey there! Welcome to the ASRU: Advanced Strategic Resarch Union! We're trying to build huge GPT3+ variants, if you have any questions check out the various channels or just ask. And if you wanna help we're always grateful! Hey there! Welcome to the Generative AI Workgroup! We're trying to build huge GPT3+ variants, if you have any ``` Daj#7482: Those are pretty good Daj#7482: If we make the bot welcome people I want it to use a totally unique introduction and never reuse it bmk#1476: i really like the RATS one, especially as it's also a popular moniker for the rationalist community Daj#7482: The acronym doesn't _quite_ work but yeah I like it too Daj#7482: If we make like 100 of these we can probably have a unique introduction for every person that joins in the foreseeable future Daj#7482: ~~Getting distracted again, I know~~ bmk#1476: yeah bmk#1476: we need a bikeshedding bot that detects bikeshedding and jumps in to redirect us on track now to spend all my time building that instead of actually doing work bmk#1476: (/s)
Daj#7482: haha jhsu#8763: Joined the server. Ryn#4094: @Sid Hiya! SDr#2461: Joined the server. bmk#1476: Hello Sid#2121: If we write an email to the folks at Google Brain / TFMesh - what do we actually want to ask? noahtren#9042: Joined the server. bmk#1476: hey @noahtren ! guac#4716: Is the README in the mesh repo the only documentation... bmk#1476: #documentation bmk#1476: there's a doc there guac#4716: ah thanks! bmk#1476: an there's some tfmesh info that sid wrote down Sid#2121: also we have some docs in here 🧠 if you have any questions bmk#1476: also in #tfmesh guac#4716: should've cheked the side bar 🙂 thanks ya'll Sid#2121: are you looking for documentation of our project or tfm or ? bmk#1476: ^ guac#4716: just tfm for now. I've got a pair of RTX's i wanted to test it on 🤓 Sid#2121: i've heard bad things in general about using it on gpus
Sid#2121: some ppl in the github saying it doesn't work very well, and i think tfm said it was untested (or not very tested) on gpus Daj#7482: I'm sure the TFM people would appreciate the feedback guac#4716: yeah i can only imagine lol I only figure i give it a shot since i noticed they use gpus in the README example... Daj#7482: Or maybe not seeing how much of their code is unfinished lol Koen#2924: Joined the server. Sid#2121: Hey @Koen ! Sid#2121: We're trying to build huge GPT3 variants here, and other Language Model related tasks (we get very distracted). Let us know if you have any questions Koen#2924: Hey there! Sid#2121: you from tpu pod? Koen#2924: Yeah I heard about that on the tpu pod server, not so sure how much I could contribute to the project but I would love to keep up to date with the progress Sid#2121: well we'll be posting updates both here and over there on the regular 🙂 If you do feel like giving anything a bash, we have some tasks up in #documentation Koen#2924: Alright thanks! I'll go take a look at it Sid#2121: one task we need doing which shouldn't be too hard and seems quite fun to tackle is a text classifier to filter out cover pages / index / contents pages from books Sid#2121: but also feel free to just lurk lol alth0u#1626: Joined the server. Cixelyn#0001: Joined the server. bmk#1476: hello! cfoster0#4356: Joined the server. gwern#1782: Joined the server. Sid#2121: Hey @gwern
Sid#2121: Welcome to the tensorflow mesh wastelands gwern#1782: what did you guys decide about efficient attention etc? gwern#1782: because if you go with dense attention and unidirectional models, I'm not sure how worthwhile 1t would be bmk#1476: hey gwern! bmk#1476: we're just trying to get local attention working for now Sid#2121: yeah, we're not really at the stage Sid#2121: tfm is horribly convoluted and very badly documented bmk#1476: GPT3 is evidence that local attention with interspersed global attention is good enough bmk#1476: right now we're in tensorflow hell old#3101: Joined the server. donkek#9619: Joined the server. Sid#2121: hey @old , @donkek . Welcome! Sid#2121: we're trying to build massive GPT3 variants here Sid#2121: let us know if you have questions old#3101: Hey old#3101: Heard from twitter that youre working on a mesh-tf version of gpt2? Sid#2121: indeed we are Sid#2121: who posted it on twitter lol Sid#2121: i was wondering where all the people were coming from bmk#1476: ^
bmk#1476: i'd like to know too bmk#1476: i thought we didnt want this posted on twitter u.a Sid#2121: ah lol Sid#2121: @shawwn 's been lurking 😉 Sid#2121: https://twitter.com/theshawwn/status/1282388857531633664/photo/1 shawwn#3694: Oh. shawwn#3694: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732026587465121792/unknown.png shawwn#3694: I read "No no, we're not secret, just project focused, your discord is fine" and missed the bit about twitter. Sid#2121: oh i don't think anyone's bothered you posted it Sid#2121: just curious where people were coming from Sid#2121: btw your advice got us running, basically. so thanks 😊 Sid#2121: we built the whole thing from the ground up lol shawwn#3694: ... Oops? Sid#2121: oops? Sid#2121: it's a good thing! Sid#2121: oh i just saw @bmk 's message lol Sid#2121: i guess we're not spreading it around but, i don't see the harm in a few ppl in the server. we're going to be open sourcing anyway shawwn#3694: it got gwern to join at least Sid#2121: we'll be generating him hyper-quality Ginsberg replicas in no time bmk#1476: yeah gwern being in the server is really good
Sid#2121: plus, we could do with putting some more people to work 👀 Sid#2121: @everyone who wants a job bmk#1476: certainly bmk#1476: aaaa dont do the ping Sid#2121: i have the power to ping, i shall ping bmk#1476: okok bmk#1476: anyways if you;re here and wanna help pls let us know Noa Nabeshima#0290: Yeah, what can I do? bmk#1476: we'd love to use all the help we can get Sid#2121: data gathering seems high priority at this point bmk#1476: ^ Sid#2121: we should update the kanban / documentation bmk#1476: yeah Sid#2121: a job that I would deffo take is book cover page classifier Sid#2121: for filtering pdfs Noa Nabeshima#0290: I don't really understand what that means Noa Nabeshima#0290: Okay, so say you have raw text Sid#2121: yes bmk#1476: yeah pdf filterer is hgh prio Noa Nabeshima#0290: Are you classifying letter by letter?
Noa Nabeshima#0290: And then somehow taking chunks that are high probability? Sid#2121: we want to filter out raw text that appears to be part of a contents / index / glossary etc. Sid#2121: @bmk didn't you do something similar using fasttext Noa Nabeshima#0290: I don't grok how SOTA does text filtering Sid#2121: i would think it would be more like tokens, idk bmk#1476: ok so bmk#1476: can you post some examples of current failure cases arfa#0882: :Pingree: Sid#2121: yep one sec bmk#1476: > aaaa dont do the ping Sid#2121: failure cases or, cover pages ??? Sid#2121: @arfa @arfa @arfa Sid#2121: probably from an ocr'd document Sid#2121: this is a failure case https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732030310782468106/Encountering_Development__The_Making_and_U_-_Arturo_Escobar.txt Sid#2121: an example of a text with lots of contents / index pages that could be filtered https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732031038666047548/Social_Engineering__The_Art_of_Human_Hacki_-_Christopher_Hadnagy.txt bmk#1476: Have you tested with lg PDFs? Sid#2121: well they're my pdfs, and i do not purchase them... bmk#1476: They tend to be more often than not scans with poor ocr Sid#2121: a bunch more examples: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732032366369046660/Walden_-_Henry_Thoreau.txt noahtren#9042: > plus, we could do with putting some more people to work
@Sid if you're ever using TF2 or Keras for this project, I'm happy to weigh in. also if you're planning on using TFRecords I could possibly help Sid#2121: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732032532278804520/A_Guide_to_the_New_Ruins_of_Great_Britain_-_Owen_Hatherley.txt Sid#2121: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732032533935423508/Everything_and_More_-_A_Compact_History_of_-_David_Foster_Wallace.txt Sid#2121: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732032545465696396/Python_3_for_Absolute_Beginners_2009.txt Sid#2121: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732032546107555961/Caliban__The_Witch_-_Federici_Siliva.txt Sid#2121: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732032554068082719/Art_Space_and_The_City__Public_Art_and_Ur_-_Malcolm_Miles.txt Sid#2121: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732032554525261824/The_Photographic_Image_in_Digital_Culture_-_Martin_Lister.txt Sid#2121: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732032555347607592/Human_Compatible_-_Stuart_Russell.txt Sid#2121: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732032554923851816/Dive_Into_Python_3_r870_2010.txt Sid#2121: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732032556442058802/Art_Architecture_and_Anxiety_in_Modern_C_-_Anthony_Vidler.txt Sid#2121: @noahtren awesome. I don't know if tfmesh (back bone of our project at least right now) works with tf2 unfortunately Sid#2121: but we may need some tfrecord help Sid#2121: I'd ask @Daj when he's around Sid#2121: we basically need some ideas to speed up our current script Sid#2121: bc with the amount of data we're going to be processing, it might take a while gwern#1782: @shawwn I joined because I was going to mention in a footnote on my gpt-3 page that connor was working on a gpt-3-1t and I wanted to check it was still alive shawwn#3694: yeah, if anyone can do it, I'd imagine everyone here can shawwn#3694: little do they know I'm only lurking to see when they're on the right track, then I'll replicate GPT-3 and get all the journalist headlines for myself Sid#2121: nooo shawwn we want dem headlinez shawwn#3694: godda get my fix. it's been like 4 months since any article has been published
Sid#2121: https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-bart-lisa-join-us-gif-13066208 shawwn#3694: journalists are cRaZy for GPT news shawwn#3694: hmm maybe gwern#1782: they weren't crazy for gpt-3 news even though gpt-3 is so much cooler 😦 sh33mp#7259: gpt-3's zero-shot shtick is harder to understand Sid#2121: is it tho? looking back on gpt-2 stuff after seeing gpt-3 results is underwhelming to say the least shawwn#3694: that's an interesting point Sid#2121: i guess it's way more interesting if you understand the implications etc etc sh33mp#7259: from the academics' POV GPT-2 is bigger/more useful but mostly notable because of how they delivered the release strategy, imo sh33mp#7259: but yea GPT-3 has much more interesting implications (GPT-2 has some experiments hinting at it, but I don't think they were treated too seriously) Sid#2121: oh yeah, that danger-hype paid off big time Sid#2121: (I do think it's good that they thought about it, but it's clear looking back they overestimated the impacts) bmk#1476: @gwern hey, it's not just connor, we're all involved! gwern#1782: GPT-2's fewshot behavior was very limited. it only did things that plausibly were in the dataset. stuff like 'tldr' is fun but tldrs exist in the wild and that's why it works. it's nowhere as flexible as gpt-3 is, and you can see it in those extraordinary fewshot perf vs model size performance charts gwern#1782: you go from like 10% with gpt-2 to 90% with gpt-3 and a decent number of examples bmk#1476: What are your predictions for 1T performance? bmk#1476: That's not even an entire order of magnitude over GPT3 so I'm not sure how much more to really expect Deleted User#0000: Joined the server. bmk#1476: hello! zitterbewegung#4846: Joined the server.
zitterbewegung#4846: Hi zitterbewegung#4846: Do we have a website zitterbewegung#4846: Libreai.net is available Deleted User#0000: GPT-LVM-XFS Deleted User#0000: wait wrong chat Deleted User#0000: this is ai not linux my bad zitterbewegung#4846: Hi zitterbewegung#4846: I registered libreai.net zitterbewegung#4846: I can make a wordpress blog on it or square space zitterbewegung#4846: And give people admin access zitterbewegung#4846: Or I can point it to whoever you guys want zitterbewegung#4846: Or transfer it Jeremiah#1201: Joined the server. Basedblue#9138: Joined the server. Sid#2121: @Jeremiah , @Basedblue 👋 Sid#2121: @zitterbewegung thanks for... sitting on the link I guess lol? I don't think any of us have really thought about a site yet, tbh. It's all very early stages. Basedblue#9138: hi srihari#6471: Joined the server. zitterbewegung#4846: @Sid Yea, we need some kind of manifesto or something but it would be really hard to buy that domain if we start getting popular Daj#7482: Good point zitter, I guess none of us were thinking of that
Daj#7482: We don't really have any organization or hierarchy though zitterbewegung#4846: thats fine zitterbewegung#4846: ill pay for hosting costs in the foreseeble future ill probably setup wordpress or something first Daj#7482: That's very kind of you but I wouldn't want you paying money before we're even sure what we're doing lol Sid#2121: ^ Sid#2121: we don't even have gpt-2 replicated yet zitterbewegung#4846: i mean like domain registration Daj#7482: Domain registration is definitely nice yea Daj#7482: We'll discuss this a bit down the line when we have something to show, maybe? zitterbewegung#4846: yea sure Sid#2121: yep. Maybe better to focus on other tasks @zitterbewegung . Is there anything else you think you can help us with? we really appreciate the offer but data gathering etc. is much more pressing right now zitterbewegung#4846: what kind of data do you need Sid#2121: B I G T E X T Sid#2121: check out #documentation Sid#2121: I'll be updating it shortly Daj#7482: Haha do we have a list of what data we have? Daj#7482: Ah good Daj#7482: Also if you happen to have CPUs laying around on servers, also a valuable commodity atm Sid#2121: yeah we need a proper onboarding space now that ppl are actually coming in Sid#2121: the least fun task
Daj#7482: Lucky we made the resources channels to work off of zitterbewegung#4846: @Daj I have a titan rtx Sid#2121: yup. I wonder if i can get @Isaac McHorse to post up details from our kanban on command zitterbewegung#4846: @Daj and access to a threadripper Sid#2121: ```threadripper``` what's that Daj#7482: That's pretty awesome actually. Is it connected to a high bandwidth uplink? Since moving huge amounts of data can be the bottleneck Sid#2121: ah, computer thang Daj#7482: Threadrpper is an upscale AMD CPU iirc Daj#7482: or smth I'm a software guy lol Sid#2121: yeah i googled it and immediately noped, not my area zitterbewegung#4846: uh zitterbewegung#4846: my gaming computer is connected to my home internet i have comcast gigabit zitterbewegung#4846: but like right now its on wifi zitterbewegung#4846: i can wire it back in to though easily Daj#7482: Hmm gigabit is good ofc, but home connections usually have slow uplink Daj#7482: But yea if you can download and encode large datasets that would be a big help Daj#7482: Since that's CPU heavy and we only have one server to work on atm zitterbewegung#4846: i downloaded a bunch of fansubs for anime Sid#2121: how big ? Sid#2121: We also still need an IRC log scraper
Sid#2121: well, we don't need one. But we like the idea and we'd like to include it Daj#7482: Yea IRCs would be super fun bmk#1476: the largest one is ubuntu zitterbewegung#4846: oh bmk#1476: and that's easily downloaded bmk#1476: (for some definition of easily) zitterbewegung#4846: i can get gigabytes of twitter data Daj#7482: That's interesting, hmmm Daj#7482: Not sure if that's good data or not Daj#7482: Pros and cons for short tweets, though concatenating threads would work Daj#7482: That would be cool Sid#2121: gigabytes ? how zitterbewegung#4846: https://archive.org/details/2015_reddit_comments_corpus Sid#2121: that is reddit Daj#7482: I think we've got reddit covered...or did we I don't remember Sid#2121: we already plan on gathering that data from pushshift i think zitterbewegung#4846: https://archive.org/details/twitterstream Sid#2121: it's super easily downloadable zitterbewegung#4846: 1gb per month Sid#2121: also there's a channel for this #data-sources
zitterbewegung#4846: i mean per day zitterbewegung#4846: https://archive.org/details/archiveteam-twitter-stream-2018-10 zitterbewegung#4846: oh ok nvm Daj#7482: This is neat! Please post a link in #data-sources zitterbewegung#4846: okay done Daj#7482: Thanks! Sid#2121: damn, had no idea this twitter stream existed Sid#2121: cool, thanks for that Daj#7482: I wonder if it has the data needed to reconstructs threads Daj#7482: I feel single tweets are a bit short Sid#2121: probably, yeah Sid#2121: also, twitter is trash lmao Sid#2121: could be good to gather links from if it has metadata? Daj#7482: We should be mining archive.org more in general probably Daj#7482: Yea ofc all social media is trash, but it's _human_ trash haha Sid#2121: we could gather links from tweets with > x likes Daj#7482: Oh cool idea Daj#7482: I mean, there will be a lot of links of Elon Musk giving away free crypto zitterbewegung#4846: @Daj sometimes you would be able to Sid#2121: hahahaha
Daj#7482: but still better than nothing zitterbewegung#4846: ive worked with twitter data Sid#2121: @Daj Thanks Elon!! it totally works! wow! Daj#7482: haha Daj#7482: sounds cool zitter, if you wanna look into the twitter data and how we could get it into a nice format that sounds like a cool project to me, or sorting by likes and searching for links etc Sid#2121: gonna add it to #documentation google doc zitterbewegung#4846: like what do we care about ? the text itself, the id of the user and the ttime? bmk#1476: text Sid#2121: R A W T E X T zitterbewegung#4846: okay bmk#1476: LOTS OF IT Daj#7482: Pure text, hopefully good quality text in good context bmk#1476: anything less than 1GB is so small it's not worth considering tbh Sid#2121: but yeah we want long context, which is why we're eh about tweets themselves bmk#1476: ^ Sid#2121: links could be good tho zitterbewegung#4846: i mean i would filter by hearts zitterbewegung#4846: cuz like Daj#7482: Yea >1000 characters is ideal but ofc usually not possible zitterbewegung#4846: if you have 3 likes
bmk#1476: still really short context zitterbewegung#4846: its less garbage than 0 bmk#1476: we want really long stuff Sid#2121: yes ```we could gather links from tweets with > x likes ``` Daj#7482: Less than 10% of WT is >1000 tokens Daj#7482: iirc bmk#1476: thankfully all of yarrharr is really long zitterbewegung#4846: likes and retweets Daj#7482: Yup that's why I have high hopes there bmk#1476: also how much overlap with cc will all of this have Daj#7482: I don't think CC crawls social media Sid#2121: i always forget what cc actually is, what's the methodology Daj#7482: Webcrawling publicly accessible websites? bmk#1476: it's a crawl of a very small subset of the internet bmk#1476: not entirely sure how they decide what to crawl bmk#1476: also if it has a high chance of being in WT we also dont really want it Daj#7482: Twitter, facebook etc is all not publicly accessible to crawlers bmk#1476: also @Daj about CC: While CC net might be good enough for now, I still maintain that we should do a full CC scrape ourselves when we have the opportunity to do so(i.e enough cores); CC_net doesn't look at nearly as many snapshots and it's much more lax in filtering Daj#7482: Twitter's API costs a lot of money for the full data lol
bmk#1476: there is a way without using the api Daj#7482: I'm fully in favor bmk, iff we have the resources lol zitterbewegung#4846: creative commons scrapes it zitterbewegung#4846: they record like less than 1 percent of tweets Daj#7482: Yea the full 100% costs money zitterbewegung#4846: its sort of in a legal grey area that we don't have to wowrry about zitterbewegung#4846: cuz its someone elses dataset bmk#1476: you can get the 100% if you have the infra without paying bmk#1476: it's possible bmk#1476: it's 10x more yarrharr than anything we're doing though lol Daj#7482: Huh interesting Daj#7482: Also way beyond our infrastructure anyways lol bmk#1476: yeah bmk#1476: also tweets are not our target medium zitterbewegung#4846: i like wanted to start a group like this to counter openai bmk#1476: both in terms of length and, uh, quality zitterbewegung#4846: but like you guys got a better idea for a name Daj#7482: Haha thanks bmk#1476: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732241417585557614/oopsallopen2.png Daj#7482: Though we're not "counter" OpenAI
bmk#1476: we're openai but all open bmk#1476: open source everything Daj#7482: Just a bunch of hackers having fun with cutting edge ML bmk#1476: open model everything Daj#7482: Yup bmk#1476: a bit more yarrharr than oa, though Books2 do be looking suspicious Daj#7482: but yea re:Tweets that's why I think tweet threads or links are most interesting Daj#7482: Yea we don't have to please any corporate shareholders we can do what we want lol bmk#1476: I'm fairly confident that Books2 is actually filtered epubs from lg, lol, so the only competitive advantage we would have is better pdf processing Daj#7482: Yea you're probably right bmk#1476: so yeah pdf processing is our top priority by far Daj#7482: at least we're more honest lol bmk#1476: If we can get the cores I can construct CC dataset bmk#1476: and we already have mtf working mostly bmk#1476: now we just need to yarr the harr with pdfs Daj#7482: Yea I'm sorry I've been slacking on that bmk#1476: wait which part? Daj#7482: Yarrharr server and co bmk#1476: oh right Daj#7482: So many other things to do hah
Daj#7482: And money and finals bmk#1476: we need to get pdf processing first anyways Daj#7482: Yea zitterbewegung#4846: i think counter is the wrong word i mean zitterbewegung#4846: yea i meant to say what you said Daj#7482: I figured, just wanted to be explicit that we want to cooperate with the wider AI world :) zitterbewegung#4846: i believe in reproducable science bmk#1476: me too Daj#7482: btw have a fancy color name Sid#2121: ok, updated #documentation Sid#2121: pls let me know if i missed anything out? zitterbewegung#4846: hey there is another libreai Sid#2121: can someone update the channel description with something slightly more informative? I don't seem to have the permissions to do it anymore zitterbewegung#4846: https://libreai.com Sid#2121: aw shit lol Sid#2121: where's their open source software lol Daj#7482: It was too obvious a name lol Sid#2121: don't look so open to me zitterbewegung#4846: they are inactive after a yuear Sid#2121: https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-dog-shifty-eyed-dog-gif-5112674
Daj#7482: What should I update the channel desc to? zitterbewegung#4846: last medium post was 10 months ago https://medium.com/libreai/the-joy-of-neural-painting-e4319282d51f Daj#7482: Eh I wouldn't worry about it, PR and that kind of stuff is post-proof of concept stuff Sid#2121: just something super simple like, welcome to LibreAI, please look at our google doc for a description of the project and the tasks we need doing bmk#1476: also can we adopt Books2 as a euphemism for yarrharr data too Sid#2121: heh, nice Sid#2121: yeah sure Sid#2121: i'll add bmk#1476: ok 👍 bmk#1476: even better and more accurate: Books2 = epub data, what OA porobably has; Books3 = pdf data as well Sid#2121: u beat me to it it seems Daj#7482: We should probably pin the doc to the general channel then Sid#2121: yeah, fair Daj#7482: Someone post it and I'll pin it Sid#2121: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wfCZBd18DMNt6YcC6boPNMd9qzzH3zpHHfKj4dezk0g/edit#heading=h.1op7948crp4f Sid#2121: you could also just put it in the channel description Daj#7482: Pinned a message. Daj#7482: Oh yeah bmk#1476: nobody reads the pins Daj#7482: How's that look?
Sid#2121: 👍 bmk#1476: where is CORE downloaded to? bmk#1476: stretch goal https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732247310653849620/unknown.png Daj#7482: lol Sid#2121: jesus Daj#7482: typical digital squatting unfortunately bmk#1476: libreai.ai is available bmk#1476: or libreai.io Daj#7482: Well yea Daj#7482: for 25k bmk#1476: I like io domains Daj#7482: oh wait Daj#7482: libreai.io is sexy bmk#1476: twice the ai Sid#2121: i like libreai.io yeah bmk#1476: shall i pick it up Sid#2121: why not, how much? Daj#7482: I have put no thought into PR really bmk#1476: eh like 40 bucks a year Sid#2121: ^ what Daj said
Sid#2121: just want tpu brr Daj#7482: but it sounds good to me if you don't mind paying bmk#1476: same bmk#1476: sure ill pay for it Daj#7482: Cool we can pair it up with zitter's domain and that's a pretty nice presence I think Daj#7482: Whenever we get to that Sid#2121: yeah. I'm glad the already existing libre ai seems to have done fuck all interesting work Daj#7482: Yea we're the cool™️ LibreAI™️ zitterbewegung#4846: lolol bmk#1476: ok we own libreai.io now https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732248806246318130/unknown.png Sid#2121: 🍾 Daj#7482: Noice Daj#7482: Nice _bikeshedding_ that is Isaac McHorse#2007: WELL YOU'RE NOT WORKING! Daj#7482: lol Daj#7482: Nah I think that was a sensible thing to do zitterbewegung#4846: well we could always fallback to netai but all of them are domain squatted bmk#1476: NettAI zitterbewegung#4846: yea my idea for NetAI would be AI with NET social good Daj#7482: NetAI sounds cyberpunk as hell. NettAI is funny because nett is German for nice
bmk#1476: thatsthejoke.svg.tar.gz Daj#7482: Excuse me I'm not used to people knowing German! Daj#7482: haha bmk#1476: ah ok Daj#7482: but yeah PR is bikeshedding atm. LibreAI could just live as a loose collection of blog posts and a discord server it doesn't really matter. What matters is results! haha Isaac McHorse#2007: I'M NOT WORK ING! I'M JUST PLAYING! bmk#1476: yes bmk#1476: let's all get to pdf cleaning bmk#1476: this is possibly the most important and reusable piece of software libreai produces Daj#7482: I should probably really get back to studying tbh, now that I'm confident the tfrecords are running Sid#2121: can help with pdf cleaning Sid#2121: @bmk which part do you want to do bmk#1476: what needs to be done Sid#2121: there's probably more heuristic filtering to add, then we need the classifier as well bmk#1476: I'll take a look at failure cases in a moment Sid#2121: also you could plug your gist into my repo bmk#1476: I'll try Sid#2121: ```filtering: - Double spaces --> spaces
- If book - maybe cut out first & last pages (?) (could we train a cover page classifier?) - Blank lines - Lines shorter than N characters w no letters (or minimal amount of letters below a threshold) - CID fonts (https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53252844/python-pdf-to-txt-only-return-cidnumber). Sometimes these are only part of the text, but if they take up a certain percentage we should just bin the whole thing. Example: "which maintained contacts not least in the South East Asian extreme right. To some extent during the (cid:38)(cid:82)(cid:79)(cid:71)(cid:3) (cid:58)(cid:68)(cid:85)(cid:15)" - Delete files < a certain size (failed pdfs) - Sometimes it will just return slightly garbled text - for that split to words, check % of words in dictionary - there are quite often full words but with spaces interspersed:
"T he experts from m a ny countries working on this project began by laying d o wn the theoretical and methodological basis for the History. T h ey " ``` my notes on filtering Sid#2121: I can do it too since I know my code, if you think you could be more effective elsewhere bmk#1476: one idea: bmk#1476: we can use a spell check module to fix a lot of this Daj#7482: btw #the-pile for posterity Daj#7482: Easier to filter for info later bmk#1476: ok shawwn#3694: Bikeshedding Isaac McHorse#2007: I'm going to have to go ahead and say that you are going to be working hard, when you stop this bikeshedding. bmk#1476: this is not bikeshedding this is our main task now Isaac McHorse#2007: OI! WHO DOESN'T WANT TO WORK old#3101: Do you guys still have acess to the tfrc and does this mean they open to giving access to a pod for an extended amount of time? Because i applied to it and they gave me access to a 128core pod for a week when i was replicating gpt2-124m Daj#7482: I've been in TFRC for a long time, even met the guys in charge personally Daj#7482: Guess I drummed up a lot of hype for them with GPT2 back in the day bmk#1476: our problem right now: reserving a 2048 is really hard Daj#7482: yup, since it's preemptible access only bmk#1476: pitch it to the Overlords with something like "imagine how much hype y'all'll get with the first open 1T model"
Daj#7482: Ehh we'll see Daj#7482: I'd probably email Zak and Jonathan personally once we have a proof of concept bmk#1476: alright 👍 bmk#1476: so right now we're basically just waiting for tfrecording to finish then? Daj#7482: I'd say we need at least a 1.5B with identical or superior performance to the original, better yet a GPT3 variant Daj#7482: I think so? Daj#7482: If everything works we cna start training tomorrow bmk#1476: awesome bmk#1476: wait can you test the mtf code on a pod? bmk#1476: we've only tested on colab so far old#3101: What dataset are you using? its probably a lot larger than openwebtext right? bmk#1476: and i have no idea if there'll be new issues bmk#1476: @old see the gdoc in #documentation Daj#7482: Uhm yea sure. Instead of trying to explain to me how to use the code how about I spin up a pod and give you access to the VM? I think your SSH key might still be in the image lol bmk#1476: all your questions will be answered there bmk#1476: er sure Daj#7482: ~~I'm also technically studying lol~~ bmk#1476: what do i do differently from colab? Daj#7482: You have to pass the name of the TPU explicitly I think Daj#7482: But otherwise it's a totally normal VM you ssh into
old#3101: you guys probably know this but i racked up about $100 in stackdriver costs (covered by the free credit tho) before i turned off stackdriver log ingesting for tpus Daj#7482: Yea I racked up around 1100€ lol Daj#7482: Luckily the TFRC people pulled some strings since seemingly I was the first one to report that to them last year zitterbewegung#4846: thats why i bought a titan rtx zitterbewegung#4846: you make one mistake zitterbewegung#4846: you could have bought a video card instead zitterbewegung#4846: but now you can't do that anymore cuz video cards dont cut it Daj#7482: I can't get a GPU with 180 petaflops lol Daj#7482: Yea zitterbewegung#4846: i was thiinking about buying v100s zitterbewegung#4846: on ebay Daj#7482: If you've got the money, they are nice Daj#7482: But I usually just rent preempt GPU instances on google cloud or whatever Daj#7482: Since I usually can't keep a GPU running nonstop anyways Daj#7482: also I'm poor as shit, that's a factor too haha zitterbewegung#4846: we have access to the gpt-3 api from gwern right Daj#7482: bmk has access too, I think Gwern might be a bit more judicious with sharing, though we haven't asked zitterbewegung#4846: okay im just thinking out loud as a hypothetical zitterbewegung#4846: instead of training a model there are ways to extract a model given api access zitterbewegung#4846: i don't know if it would be faster than making gpt-neo
Daj#7482: Good luck lol zitterbewegung#4846: https://encrypto.de/papers/RST19.pdf Daj#7482: No way that will work in practice I think zitterbewegung#4846: yea probably not Daj#7482: GPT3 is like 400GB of weights? Daj#7482: or something ridiclous zitterbewegung#4846: the largest one? Daj#7482: I don't recall off the top of my head Daj#7482: Cool paper though thanks for the link Daj#7482: Though even if it would work I wouldn't do it, because it's, and this is a totally technical term, a "dick move" Daj#7482: lol zitterbewegung#4846: well yea bmk#1476: yes i have model access bmk#1476: no we probably cant extract it zitterbewegung#4846: i invited my brother the threadrippers are owned by him bmk#1476: how many cores in total zitterbewegung#4846: which one zitterbewegung#4846: uh bmk#1476: all of the ones we can access zitterbewegung#4846: let me make sure about that
zitterbewegung#4846: https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1920x bmk#1476: 24 threads bmk#1476: that's 3x our current machine o.O bmk#1476: so as a rough estimate we need 100ish core-months to do GPT3 size data, and double-triple that for 1T bmk#1476: so that's 4 months with that machine bmk#1476: asdding my machine, the hetzner, maybe another similar hetzner , that's 2 months bmk#1476: where can we get another 50 cores bmk#1476: also we need a similar, maybe even more, amount of cores to do Books2/3 bmk#1476: we really should put out a call for more funding zitterbewegung#4846: funding from who Daj#7482: I really think you're overestimating the chance of us getting money and underestimating how much headache that might cause. I agree we'll need it on the path to 1T but before we have at least GPT2 1.5 running at OA performance we have nothing to show really zitterbewegung#4846: yea we should do something simple with out current resources zitterbewegung#4846: then your ask is easier zitterbewegung#4846: cuz you can say here is what we did Daj#7482: I think 1.5B is the minimum for that yes Daj#7482: Once we have that we can get serious about PR bmk#1476: yeah ok makes sense Deleted User#0000: oh its running windows currently but i can load debian/ubuntu on to one of the other drives sh33mp#7259: what is the current resource constraint? Daj#7482: CPU, I think
sh33mp#7259: for cleaning /preprocessing the text? Sid#2121: yep zitterbewegung#4846: can we parallelize it easily? Daj#7482: Yea goolulusaurs#1571: > where is CORE downloaded to? @bmk It's at /data/CORE goolulusaurs#1571: Another option is Libre.ai Daj#7482: btw goolu, do we owe you money for the HDD? Daj#7482: I lost track goolulusaurs#1571: I'd say save it, since we will probably have plenty of other costs over the course of the proj Daj#7482: You sure? Greatly appreciated, of course Daj#7482: It really has been such a pleasure to work with such a flexible and creative bunch of people here 👍 Sid#2121: ^ goolulusaurs#1571: Agreed. I haven't been able to help as much with the coding so far, so I am happy to contribute how I can. Daj#7482: Your contributions are very much appreciated! As is everyone else Daj#7482: I don't think any of us could have done it alone Sid#2121: No worries, we can't all be stuck with tonnes of free time lol. zphang#7252: Joined the server. Sid#2121: Hey @zphang Daj#7482: Hello @zphang ! Welcome to The AGI Wranglers! Check the channel topic and resources channels for info and don't hesitate to ask if you have questions :)
Daj#7482: The AGI Wranglers reminds me back when me and my friend wanted to name our game company, we already had the fantastic name "Shy Tea Games", but our close second was "Cult of the Electric Shepherd" Daj#7482: I need to use that name in some project some day zphang#7252: 👋 Jeremiah#1201: How much CPU is needed? Sid#2121: many Sid#2121: i think bmk posted some preliminary calculations somewhere Sid#2121: hang on Sid#2121: ```eh a few hundred core-months possibly more—we don't know how compute expensive the pdf conversion stuff is going to be yet``` Jeremiah#1201: If it's not too hard to set up and you have legally sourced text that is not nsfw I can do some. Sid#2121: we do have some legally sourced text, hah Sid#2121: is it your personal pc or something else you have access to? Jeremiah#1201: No, it's a computing cluster. Jeremiah#1201: So it would have to be: - legal - acceptable - released to the public Sid#2121: I think the biggest one is common crawl Sid#2121: which is legal and released to the public Sid#2121: it's scraped from the web so
Sid#2121: define 'acceptable' Sid#2121: I'm not 100% if we have that going yet / have a script for that Sid#2121: I think it might be TODO / in progress Sid#2121: @bmk kanban says you're working on CC? Jeremiah#1201: No copyright/non fair use Sid#2121: also github / wikipedia which i think @Noa Nabeshima 's working on Sid#2121: CC is just publicly hosted and available to download iirc Sid#2121: it's just going to take massive amounts of processing Sid#2121: I don't think there's any copyright Jeremiah#1201: obscene or abusive language Sid#2121: lmao Sid#2121: it's the internet Jeremiah#1201: But I think that's for things I send Jeremiah#1201: Wikipedia would definitely be ok, but if it's crawling all websites, that might be risky... Sid#2121: Anything you can process or help with, we'd be super grateful. If you talk to @Daj when he's awake he can give you a blue name and add you to the repo Jeremiah#1201: Ok Sid#2121: about how much compute do you have access to? Jeremiah#1201: I would like to make some GPT-3 fruit descriptions. Jeremiah#1201: I have access to a lot, but I have to think about how much I want to use. Sid#2121: I'm sure bmk would be happy to oblige in return for compute
Sid#2121: (he has an API key) Sid#2121: I think we're doing CORE as well https://core.ac.uk/services/dataset/ Sid#2121: but i haven't been as involved in the processing of these big datasets as much the others, I've mainly been working on the model and a few smaller datasets Jeremiah#1201: Cool Jeremiah#1201: Is there any coding a noob can do? Sid#2121: most of what we're doing is in the google doc linked in the channel description / #documentation Sid#2121: How noob are we talking? Sid#2121: we need some pdf filtering heuristics which is a fun bit of puzzle coding imo Jeremiah#1201: I can use Python, but haven't done much with numpy or ml. Sid#2121: if you can convert any of the things posted in #data-sources to working #datascripts , you'd be a star bmk#1476: sorry fill me in on the details pls bmk#1476: what are we talking about Sid#2121: @Jeremiah has access to a computing cluster bmk#1476: nice Sid#2121: offering to help us out with some compute Sid#2121: also wants to know where he could be useful with some minimal python skills Sid#2121: also maybe wants some gpt fruit descriptions hah Sid#2121: but can't process anything too risque Sid#2121: (guessing it's a uni?) Jeremiah#1201: Yeah
bmk#1476: compute things we need: 1. CC processing 2. LG depdficication 3. dedup Sid#2121: LG is a no bmk#1476: ok bmk#1476: that's the most compute intensive probably, dammit bmk#1476: and if LG is a no, dedup is automatically no Sid#2121: yeah :/ bmk#1476: is CC ok? Sid#2121: you'd have to ask him, I don't see why it wouldn't be since it's a publicly available, legal dataset used for genuine academic purposes bmk#1476: @Jeremiah do you think downloading and filtering CC is an acceptable use case bmk#1476: we need quite a bit of bandwidth for it too, about 50TB to download in total Jeremiah#1201: I can ask bmk#1476: that would be awesome thanks Jeremiah#1201: Where would I put it if I downloaded it? bmk#1476: our code filters it all down to about 500GB-ish bmk#1476: and we have a dedicated server with a lot of disk space that we can use bmk#1476: maybe closer to 1TB bmk#1476: anyways, something like that Jeremiah#1201: So it will take 50 TB to download - will I need 50 TB temporarily or no? bmk#1476: nope bmk#1476: it'll use up only the space needed for output + a constant overhead
Sid#2121: did we ever decide on a script for CC? Jeremiah#1201: Ok bmk#1476: my script works mostly fine bmk#1476: idk what changes i have to make to run it on a cluster Jeremiah#1201: Are you releasing the model? bmk#1476: yes bmk#1476: we're openai but like actually open Sid#2121: yep. Although I'm not 100% we've decided exactly how, it seems most of us are keen on a full release Sid#2121: see #alignment-general Jeremiah#1201: Great Sid#2121: ah, didn't see your script Sid#2121: thanks @Jeremiah we really appreciate it! Jeremiah#1201: Kind of off topic, but how would one get a job with access to a (usable) cluster? Sid#2121: > Kind of off topic, but how would one get a job ~~with access to a (usable) cluster?~~ Jeremiah#1201: Yeah, also wouldn't want a job that took all my time so I couldn't have fun making computer generated fruit. Sid#2121: Hah. Now we're on the same level Sid#2121: where are your fruit pics from btw Jeremiah#1201: https://usdawatercolors.nal.usda.gov/pom/home.xhtml bmk#1476: wow, that's.. several Jeremiah#1201: I want to make HD fruit using the whole dataset, but google hasn't given me my TPU pod yet 😦
Sid#2121: yeah, that's awesome Sid#2121: I should really email TFRC already and get my own Sid#2121: but there's so many floating around that i have somehow managed to wangle access to lmao Jeremiah#1201: I requested an extension and a pod instead of 110 single ones with the reason: "I want to train a really high resolution StyleGAN" and haven't heard back... bmk#1476: once we get a 1T model i'm sure tfrc will shower us all with lots of credits bmk#1476: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732381222109577379/unknown.png Sid#2121: that WT? bmk#1476: another 1 hour until we can begin! bmk#1476: yup Sid#2121: what are the two different progress bars bmk#1476: oh ignore the upper ones Sid#2121: agh i want to stay up. my sleeping schedule is so fucked bmk#1476: haha lol bmk#1476: I was sleeping at 4 for a while but it's fixed now Sid#2121: I don't know how to revert Sid#2121: plus i just moved to a hot country where everyone sleeps midday bmk#1476: melatonin Sid#2121: and it's fucking w me bmk#1476: melatonin is magic Sid#2121: yeah, i should get some
bmk#1476: https://www.gwern.net/Melatonin bmk#1476: (of course gwern has written an article about it) Sid#2121: hah, i was about to say bmk#1476: it feels like gwern is omnipresent on the internet bmk#1476: any topic, and comment section, bam, he's there and he's written a very high quality detailed post on it already Jeremiah#1201: Is gwern.net in your training data? I guess it's in common crawl? bmk#1476: the rule of common crawl is "don't assume anything particular is in it" Jeremiah#1201: Set up AI gwern.net -> $$$ bmk#1476: the rule of WT is "everything popular is probably in it" Sid#2121: i mean, gwern is prolific, but i don't know if he's GPT-3 dataset size prolific. bmk#1476: lemme check bmk#1476: ok, apparantly it knows gwern.net exists and that it's related to LW, but it makes random guesses elsewhere bmk#1476: makes sense, we all make random guesses bmk#1476: it thinks he's welsh, probably because the name is shared by a welsh folklore character bmk#1476: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwern bmk#1476: woah bmk#1476: if i add (gwern.net) the quality jumps bmk#1476: ```Who is Gwern Branwen (gwern.net)? Gwern Branwen is a pseudonymous ex-academic. He wrote several highly regarded papers in the late 90s/early 00s about computational complexity and the social sciences. He was once a popular blogger at gwern.net, but hasn’t posted there for years. He wrote two essays for LessWrong in 2013: “Subjects that young men think about too much” and “Tracking the rise of rationality”. He is now primarily active on Twitter.
“The same thing happened with the LessWrong Sequences. It was not a rigorous introduction to rationality. It was a sequence of blog posts that you were supposed to read in order and treat as a sort of narrative. It turned out to be too confusing for people to read sequentially, so they read it out of order, skipped parts, and came away with a garbled version of it.” — Gwern Branwen (gwern.net)``` bmk#1476: close but eeeeeeeeeeeeh bmk#1476: so it knows gwern has to do with LW and stuff but then it falls apart Sid#2121: @bmk do you have common crawl already going on the server? bmk#1476: no goolulusaurs#1571: I think I remember gwern posted at one point about trying to get it to imitate himself. bmk#1476: i killed it after we decided to switch to cc_net Sid#2121: hm Sid#2121: what's 16117.pts-0.Ubuntu-1804-bionic-64-minimal doing bmk#1476: cc_net bmk#1476: dont kill Sid#2121: i ... thought that was common crawl lol Sid#2121: what does that cc stand for bmk#1476: not my cc Sid#2121: a different cc? why two bmk#1476: i said bmk#1476: i killed mine after we decided to switch to cc_net
Sid#2121: that's the facebook tool to download common crawl? Sid#2121: just tryna get up to date bmk#1476: yes bmk#1476: i personally dont like it bmk#1476: but we dont have enough cpu power currently to do it my way Sid#2121: what's the differences of this vs yours Sid#2121: ah bmk#1476: ~~my way is better~~ Sid#2121: well if @Jeremiah can do it, I trust your opinion Sid#2121: I'm guessing there's some overlap, and we can skip out what we've already downloaded from cc_net? or if we decide to do it your way again are we just getting rid of cc_net bmk#1476: if we do it our way then we're not using cc_net at all Sid#2121: ok. i guess we leave it going just in case Sid#2121: it makes me uneasy it lacks a progress bar Sid#2121: pls put progress bar in yours bmk#1476: among my reasons for disliking it are the fact that it eats a fucking ridiculous amount of disk bmk#1476: like, I'm not sure 12TB is enough Sid#2121: oh boy Sid#2121: is that how much we have? bmk#1476: my thing downloads all of CC and uses only 1TB peak bmk#1476: this is like a single dump
Jeremiah#1201: Oh another question, can I do that download in chunks or is it all at once? bmk#1476: it's split into chunks bmk#1476: and can be spread over however many machines you have bmk#1476: merging the chunks is pretty easy too goolulusaurs#1571: I think in cc_net they also had some precomputed files, According to this github issue it needs "like 10TB". https://github.com/facebookresearch/cc_net/issues/7 bmk#1476: yeah, and "like 10TB" is apparantly at the high end of that, closer to 20 bmk#1476: I'm still salty about that btw Jeremiah#1201: I meant in terms of time - over a few days? bmk#1476: depends how many cores you can get on it Jeremiah#1201: Can I make it take a few days bmk#1476: https://github.com/facebookresearch/cc_net/issues/2#issuecomment-554258314 bmk#1476: er, sure bmk#1476: at the limit if you can mobilize thousands of cores it can probably be done in an hour bmk#1476: > Maybe something like 15 TB (7.6 T raw wet files + 3.2 T clean corpus + some safety margin)? bmk#1476: this is infuriating Jeremiah#1201: I don't know how much bandwidth I can use though bmk#1476: we need to download, uh, bmk#1476: quite a bit Jeremiah#1201: Like they might say you can use 1 TB a day bmk#1476: that's way too low
goolulusaurs#1571: I can add another disk if we need to. bmk#1476: once it crashes due to lack of space sure Jeremiah#1201: It's not listed as a usage limit, but I don't know what the capacity is. bmk#1476: I'll keep giving it every last bit of drive space we have bmk#1476: ok this does not add up bmk#1476: according to GPT3 paper, it was 45TB over 41 shards bmk#1476: just over 1TB per shard bmk#1476: but in that link i posted they say each shard is almost 8TB bmk#1476: even compression only usually accounts for 3-4x difference bmk#1476: o.O bmk#1476: they end up with 570GB bmk#1476: I am stumped bmk#1476: unless they refer to something smaller than the dumps as shards goolulusaurs#1571: Maybe openAI didn't download the entire shard? They could have just used a portion of each shard from multiple different months. Sid#2121: @Jeremiah @goolulusaurs I am politely requesting that one of you get a profile picture hah bmk#1476: but the only other size that makes sense is the small archives and those are 50k to a dump bmk#1476: obvioiusly they didnt download 40 of those bmk#1476: hmm bmk#1476: anyways bmk#1476: we're getting about the same ratio
bmk#1476: 50TB bandwidth is a reasonable estimate goolulusaurs#1571: they do say "The CommonCrawl data was downloaded from 41 shards of monthly CommonCrawl" . "from", not that they are the whole shard. bmk#1476: what is a "shard" bmk#1476: there are multiple levels of abstraction here they could be referring to bmk#1476: 41 full monthly dumps is hundreds of TB bmk#1476: like probably 300 bmk#1476: nearly an order of magnitude over their number bmk#1476: unless they're just sampling 1/10 of WETs bmk#1476: in which case bmk#1476: *that means it's possible to construct a dataset 10x the size of the same quality* bmk#1476: 5TB of just CC bmk#1476: hmm bmk#1476: should we go for it? bmk#1476: ok 5TB is a bit overkill but we know we can get basically any amount of CC to pad the data size for any size model goolulusaurs#1571: That does sound fun, wouldn't it take quite a while though? Maybe we could prepare it later while a model is training. bmk#1476: it would bmk#1476: also hundreds of tb of bandwidth goolulusaurs#1571: I wonder what kind of infrastructure common crawl uses to do their crawling, data preparation and releases. bmk#1476: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ bmk#1476: anyways it looks like I'm up for a major revamp of the CC data codebase
bmk#1476: if we can secure the cores and bandwidth bmk#1476: also just ran the numbers: if we can get 112k cores we can download and process all 400TB in 9 seconds Sid#2121: ... Sid#2121: .. . .. Sid#2121: cool Sid#2121: how much do 112k cores cost for 9 seconds bmk#1476: probably a lot goolulusaurs#1571: yeah and we only need 45TB/s download speed bmk#1476: also 400TB of ingress too goolulusaurs#1571: Also, apparently CC uses Apache Nutch Sid#2121: I mean, it's good to know it's there for when we keep scaling bmk#1476: we dont need anything fancy Sid#2121: makes The Pile a little easier bmk#1476: the hardest part is getting the hardware in the first place bmk#1476: everything else is rounding Jeremiah#1201: People who manage my school's cluster have PhDs 😦 bmk#1476: required dataset size estimator bmk#1476: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%5B30010%5E9++5%5E%28%28-17510%5E9%29%2F8%29%5D++5+%5E+%2817510%5E9+%2F+8%29++4+%2F+3+ (in bytes compressed) bmk#1476: so this gives 400 GB estimate for GPT3 bmk#1476: which is about right
bmk#1476: hmm, ok i may have messed something up Sid#2121: @bmk can you try this https://twitter.com/components_ai/status/1282379087412174848?s=19 Sid#2121: I need verification bmk#1476: one moment Jeremiah#1201: How much data can you give gpt-3 in your query? bmk#1476: 2048 tokens bmk#1476: aha ok bmk#1476: finally it's working Noa Nabeshima#0290: @bmk Can you try it with words instead of emojis? bmk#1476: wait one momeny pls bmk#1476: busy trying to fix a thing bmk#1476: it turns out that i am incapable of basic arithmetic bmk#1476: ok bmk#1476: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732402450526634004/unknown.png bmk#1476: ehhhhhhhh bmk#1476: (after many failed runs) Sid#2121: i mean Sid#2121: kinda ? Sid#2121: how many attempts lol bmk#1476: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732402663924432956/unknown.png
bmk#1476: this happens sometimes bmk#1476: it's just randomly guessing colors, i think Sid#2121: So are you saying this twitter person is lying to us Sid#2121: I am shocked bmk#1476: it's not lying bmk#1476: it's just cherrypicked Sid#2121: well misleading bmk#1476: in a low entropy environment bmk#1476: so yes bmk#1476: misleading very bmk#1476: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732403016032059473/unknown.png Sid#2121: lmao bmk#1476: fwiw it seems to work better with the word Sid#2121: ooh ok Sid#2121: do more Noa Nabeshima#0290: Can you do peach:[ list of colors] tree: [ list of colors] sky: [ bmk#1476: my policy: if you can write up the prompt for me ill run it Noa Nabeshima#0290: prompt it for the next set I mean with a word Sid#2121: ;_; srry. When we have GPT-NEO everyone will stop asking you to do gpt-3 shit bmk#1476: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732403389258006588/unknown.png
Sid#2121: i should sleep now anyway 👋 bmk#1476: it kinda failed violet and lightgreen Noa Nabeshima#0290: Night! bmk#1476: ok cya bmk#1476: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732403734277259284/unknown.png bmk#1476: success..? bmk#1476: better https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732403846965493790/unknown.png Noa Nabeshima#0290: peach: [ #fddad2, #fcd73d #ffd425, #fdda1c, #fccf0e, #fbd81b, #fcb74f, #fc823b ] tree: [ Jeremiah#1201: picard: [ Jeremiah#1201: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732404648689926234/picard.npy
Jeremiah#1201: ], kirk: [ bmk#1476: what's with the npy bmk#1476: @Noa Nabeshima https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732405126521815070/unknown.png bmk#1476: eeeeh bmk#1476: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732405281711063240/unknown.png Jeremiah#1201: It was an image, doubt that one will work. bmk#1476: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/732405466470154270/unknown.png bmk#1476: I'm pretty sure trees are not purple bmk#1476: typically Jeremiah#1201: @bmk One last question, does your tool make files that are < 50 GB each? bmk#1476: ? bmk#1476: which tool? bmk#1476: the CC downloader? Jeremiah#1201: Yeah bmk#1476: I can make it output files of any size bmk#1476: right now it produces files of about 1GB but it's easily tunable Jeremiah#1201: I looked at the internet archive and it recommends files < 50 GB up to 1000 files for uploading. bmk#1476: wait what does the IA have to do with this Jeremiah#1201: To upload common crawl?
bmk#1476: why are we uploading to IA? Jeremiah#1201: Downloading common crawl and uploading the data to the internet archive is better than downloading it and uploading it to a private server. bmk#1476: wait, really? bmk#1476: why is that? bmk#1476: wouldnt that add an additional bottleneck Jeremiah#1201: Yes, but since it's a research cluster, I should be putting it out there for everyone, right? bmk#1476: sure bmk#1476: it's still unfinished data though bmk#1476: like, we need to process it further Jeremiah#1201: Yeah bmk#1476: by deduping and stuff bmk#1476: does IA just let you upload tbs of arbitrary data? o.O Jeremiah#1201: Maybe? Never tried it but they say there's no limit to the number or size of files bmk#1476: this sounds so abusable Jeremiah#1201: Anyway, I don't see recent common crawl stuff on there Jeremiah#1201: So it could be useful for someone else bmk#1476: i guess bmk#1476: "CC filtered pre-dedup" Jeremiah#1201: Yeah Jeremiah#1201: Well I'll let you know tomorrow