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kgk41ta | 18zutqc | He should rot in jail, but I doubt he ever will. | Scarfiotti | 24 | 2024-01-06T07:54:50 |
kgk4b0a | 18znwpq | That's rich coming from the guy who started an insurrection because he lost an election. Why couldn't he "get over it" and show up at Biden's inauguration you know like a Real Man would? | tedfreeman | 13 | 2024-01-06T07:57:57 |
kgk4p5u | 18zutqc | Trump's crowd:
>Donning a red puffer coat and a “Make America Great Again” hat, Barbara LaGow smoked a cigarette while waiting in a long line on a cold night to hear Donald Trump speak.
...
“There was no insurrection. I believe he’s being framed. I really don’t believe he did anything he shouldn’t have done. He asked people to go peacefully protest. And that was it,” she said. “I believe the FBI did have something to do with it … The whole thing just smacks. It smells bad.”
>“There was no insurrection on his part at all,” said Gayle Lasley, 69, who drove an hour to attend her first Trump rally and plans to support him in the caucus next week. “It was highly exaggerated. I think some people did some things they shouldn’t have and those who were arrested,” but added that it’s been taken “way too far.”
>Those who attended Trump’s rallies on Friday took their cues from him, including Ryan Sloth, 46, who lives thirty minutes outside of Mason City.
>“I watched it on TV that day, and I said this is a complete joke. I could tell from the beginning that this was a setup. Plain as day. There’s no way all those officers, no cops stopped it,” Sloth said. “And it’s infuriating to see those people still in jail. If we were there, we would’ve been checking things out. People are still in jail for that. It’s a shame.”
>As for who he believes set Trump up, Sloth had his suspicions.
>“The Democratic Party,” he said. “I don’t know who in particular, but somebody got the plans. I don’t know who’s pulling the strings.”
>Another man, who would only reveal his first name, Michael, was more specific with his accusations. “It was all a set-up,” he said. “[Joe] Biden planted people in there.”
As for Trump:
>Trump, for his part, has pushed conspiracies around Jan. 6 repeatedly. At an earlier rally in Sioux City on Friday, he declared that “there was Antifa and there was FBI,” at the riot. He also said that those who had been imprisoned for their roles that day were “hostages.” Nobody, he added, “has been treated ever in history so badly as those people.”
Claims thoroughly debunked by the bipartisan January 6th Select Committee:
[United States House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_the_January_6_Attack)
* [Summary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_the_January_6_Attack#Summary)
* [About Select January 6th Committee Final Report and Supporting Materials Collection](https://www.govinfo.gov/collection/january-6th-committee-final-report?path=/GPO/January%206th%20Committee%20Final%20Report%20and%20Supporting%20Materials%20Collection) | brain_overclocked | 50 | 2024-01-06T08:02:44 |
kgk4yij | 18zt5oh | > So, I’ll keep my commitment to be president for all of America, whether you voted for me or not. I’ve done it for the last three years, and I’ll continue to do it.
It doesn't really matter if he says it or not but I liked that. It flies in the face of republican politics, sadly | u0126 | 61 | 2024-01-06T08:05:51 |
kgk66zu | 18zvam1 | ***The Telegraph reports:***
Joe Biden has warned that American democracy could fall if Donald Trump wins a second term in this year’s presidential election.
In a campaign speech to mark the third anniversary of the Capitol riots on Saturday, Mr Biden has accused his leading Republican opponent of embracing “political violence” and warned voters: “Your freedom is on the ballot.”
The speech – Mr Biden’s first campaign event of the year – gave examples of Mr Trump’s links to the “mob” that stormed the Capitol in January 2021 and his plans for a second term in the White House.
“We’ve been blessed for so long with a strong, stable democracy, it’s easy to forget why so many before us risked their lives to strengthen democracy,” Mr Biden said.
“If democracy falls, we’ll lose that freedom, lose the power of we, the people, to shape our destiny.”
Mr Biden appeared to restrain himself as he recalled how Mr Trump had laughed about a Jan 6 rioter looking for Nancy Pelosi in the Capitol.
“He thinks that’s funny, he laughed about it. What a sick…” Mr Biden said, stopping himself.
“What’s Trump done? He’s called these insurrectionists ‘patriots’, and he promised to pardon them if he returns to office.”
The speech marked a pivot in Mr Biden’s campaign towards more vocal criticism of Mr Trump and his “MAGA” followers – an initialism of his slogan “Make America Great Again”.
National polls show that the two men are neck-and-neck in a hypothecated race that would occur if Mr Trump wins the Republican nomination later this year.
Currently, the former president is polling about 50 points ahead of both Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley, and aides believe that he will have secured the required Republican delegates to win the nomination by mid-March – only two months into the primary race.
Mr Biden’s speech was held near Valley Forge, the historic site where George Washington regrouped American forces during the war of independence almost 250 years ago.
The speech also repeated a claim of Mr Biden’s that Mr Trump uses the rhetoric of 1930s facism in his campaigns.
“He talks about the blood of Americans being poisoned, echoing the same exact language used in Nazi Germany,” said Mr Biden, who was greeted by chants from supporters of “four more years”.
He added: “Donald Trump’s campaign is obsessed with the past, not the future. He’s willing to sacrifice our democracy, put himself in power.”.
Addressing voters in the swing state of Pennsylvania, Mr Biden said that the “defence, protection and preservation of democracy” would remain the “central cause of \[his\] presidency” if he was to win a second term this year.
**Read more: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/01/05/joe-biden-warns-democracy-could-fall-donald-trump-election/** | TheTelegraph | 27 | 2024-01-06T08:20:53 |
kgk7egx | 18zte1q | I usually don't splurge on crab legs but bought some last year, who knows if we'll ever get to eat them again | monkeysfighting | 25 | 2024-01-06T08:35:52 |
kgk7znx | 18zutqc | Amoral self-righteous imbeciles.
The stench of the culture of slavery is all over this attitude. This is the same mentality that concluded that the lesson of the civil war is that poor Southern farmers were deprived of their property and how come nobody cries for them??? | Acceptable-Tomato392 | 115 | 2024-01-06T08:43:13 |
kgk900u | 18zvam1 | It's Saturday...should have had a big, star-spangled, Jan 6th Democracy Festival Concert with Taylor Swift and a whole list of top performers, while MAGA sits at home, drinking alone, and wondering why people who used to be family and friends no longer speak to them. | NAGDABBITALL | 107 | 2024-01-06T08:55:49 |
kgk996e | 18zutqc | Trump. Steals money from a Kids with Cancer charity...now preying on the mentally ill. | NAGDABBITALL | 23 | 2024-01-06T08:59:06 |
kgkaf5f | 18zte1q | We killed them all through overfishing and climate change. They gone. | petersimmons22 | 26 | 2024-01-06T09:13:42 |
kgkc4db | 18zvam1 | Trump has literally explicitly said he wants to be a dictator and fascist | Aggravating_Arm9060 | 360 | 2024-01-06T09:35:16 |
kgkdclk | 18zvam1 | Damn fine speech. And what’s terrifying is that this is not political hyperbole. Trump and Project 2025 have made it completely clear they seek to end Democracy. | sharingsilently | 736 | 2024-01-06T09:50:54 |
kgkdwev | 18zrsxr | Better Headline: Supreme Court to decide if it will ignore the Constitution. | sharingsilently | 30 | 2024-01-06T09:57:53 |
kgkeihc | 18zwsr2 | I guess I’ll never vote for Clinton ever again!
Coming from Epstein, that’s frightening. I wonder what Epstein considers young. | RickKassidy | 16 | 2024-01-06T10:05:35 |
kgkewh1 | 18zwsr2 | It's weird how most of the headlines are highlighting one person, but not the other who factors pretty majorly into this.
And every single person involved with this underage sex trafficking, or even just turning a blind eye to it, should face severe consequences regardless of status, wealth or political party affiliation. | rocketpack99 | 40 | 2024-01-06T10:10:31 |
kgkfq0x | 18zwsr2 | chrump had more connections to Epstein, so it's weird how his cultists are trying to gaslight everyone into thinking otherwise.
Epstein died under chrump's AG's detention for a reason... | naohwr | 35 | 2024-01-06T10:20:54 |
kgkfy6v | 18zwsr2 | Now do presidential candidates! | Hillbilly0000 | 31 | 2024-01-06T10:23:43 |
kgkh94l | 18zvam1 | Replace “ could” with “ will”. | Earth_Friendly-5892 | 21 | 2024-01-06T10:40:06 |
kgkhbs7 | 18zq4hd | His lawyer argued that he shouldn't be charged because it only took seconds to pull the trigger on the pepper spray. "Would have even been charged if he hadn't pulled the trigger?" Uh no, genius; pulling the trigger was the crime. | Human-Awareness-8161 | 18 | 2024-01-06T10:41:00 |
kgkhmz9 | 18zp5q1 | Just a reminder to the justices that it’s illegal to practice medicine without a license | Nickopotomus | 15 | 2024-01-06T10:44:52 |
kgkjlea | 18zutqc | My uncle has basically moved to the point that he wants Trump to win and open concentration camps for leftist. | sedatedlife | 36 | 2024-01-06T11:08:56 |
kgkjv8e | 18zvam1 | Damn - the telegraph comment section is full of insane people. | Round_Mastodon8660 | 72 | 2024-01-06T11:12:19 |
kgkkb5u | 18zvam1 | We know. | TheDukeOfMars | 11 | 2024-01-06T11:17:49 |
kgkktzc | 18zvam1 | He’s not wrong! | slipperystar | 15 | 2024-01-06T11:24:09 |
kgkl5fr | 18zsjv7 | > In New Mexico and Pennsylvania, fake electors added a caveat saying the certificate was submitted in case they were later recognized as duly elected, qualified electors. That would only have been possible if Trump had won any of several dozen legal battles he waged against states in the weeks after the election.
It's not fraud. It's a contingency. | hymie0 | 11 | 2024-01-06T11:27:58 |
kgkl9el | 18zvam1 | Also, remember the 4 Republicans that went to Russia on the 4th of July ..... | greensideup57 | 817 | 2024-01-06T11:29:17 |
kgknk9w | 18zvam1 | And Joe is right. | retzlaja | 19 | 2024-01-06T11:56:10 |
kgkool8 | 18zq4hd | "Had he not depressed the trigger on that pepper spray," [his laywyer] said, "would he even be charged?"
NAL, but this seems like a hilarious 'hail mary' desparation attempt by his lawyers.
Could you imagine other cases arguing this?
"Had he not murdered his victim, would he even be standing before the courts today?"
"Had she not robbed that bank, would the police ever arrested her?"
Dude was grabbing at straws. | OldManNewHammock | 33 | 2024-01-06T12:08:50 |
kgkpobb | 18zynz0 | The amount of Daily Wire, Daily Caller, Washington Examiner, and others has been something else.
Astroturfing much? | TECL_Grimsdottir | 77 | 2024-01-06T12:19:32 |
kgkpou4 | 18zynz0 | DAE know that the Daily Wire is a rag that's written by fascist traitors for fascist traitors | wingdingblingthing | 46 | 2024-01-06T12:19:40 |
kgkpsah | 18zynz0 | Trump is on that list just as much as Bill. And neither should be President again. Daily wire is a garbage news source. | RoachBeBrutal | 17 | 2024-01-06T12:20:40 |
kgkq2z5 | 18zwsr2 | Aaand so does trump according to THE SAME SOURCE. | RoachBeBrutal | 19 | 2024-01-06T12:23:48 |
kgkq3la | 18zyrpk | January 6th was a coup attempt orchestrated by Traitor Trump. Leave it to the GOP to try and gaslight their way out of this. They should all be exiled from the country for trying to ruin our precious democracy | PNWchild | 129 | 2024-01-06T12:23:59 |
kgkq7av | 18zynz0 | She refused to turn over docs on anyone. Not just Bill. But because…dailywire. | LiquidParfait | 34 | 2024-01-06T12:25:06 |
kgkq958 | 18zynz0 | >in response to a reporter’s question about whether he expected her to go public with the names of powerful men who have been accused in lawsuits of taking part in the sex-trafficking ring that Mr. Epstein allegedly ran.
>“I don’t know,” Mr. Trump said. “I haven’t really been following it too much. **I just wish her well, frankly.**"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/nyregion/trump-ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein.html
This from the man who normally doesn't have a good word to say about *anyone* | La-Boheme-1896 | 34 | 2024-01-06T12:25:38 |
kgkqe8d | 18zyrpk | I remain hopeful that additional leaders and supporters of this coup attempt will be held to account | Grimm2020 | 17 | 2024-01-06T12:27:07 |
kgkqebo | 18zywbt | Yeah, the MAGA traitors are still actively working to overthrow the American government and destroy American institutions | wingdingblingthing | 294 | 2024-01-06T12:27:08 |
kgkqm0z | 18zt5oh | This is a good start, but Biden should be calling out the entire Republican Party. One man, one stupid, blustering gape-hole, can’t do it alone - the GOP is not only complicit, they’re the real enemy. | grailer | 32 | 2024-01-06T12:29:22 |
kgkqoqz | 18zyzgl | From the Op/Ed:
> Let me offer five basic truths:
>
> The events of January 6 capped two months during which Donald Trump sought to reverse the outcome of the 2020 election.
>
> . . .
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> Trump then incited the attack on the Capitol.
>
> . . .
>
> Trump’s attempted coup continues to this day.
>
> . . .
>
> Trump has still not been held accountable.
>
> . . .
>
> Trump maintains a demagogic hold over the Republican party | zsreport | 185 | 2024-01-06T12:30:09 |
kgkrrpy | 18zyrpk | The core maga base in response to Biden's Valley Forge Speech has decided that J5 is 'Insurrection Eve' and J6 is their new 'heritage holiday' complete with imagery from Valley Forge and other famous acts of Revolutionary rebellion/insurrection against the political establishment of the day (crown).
No I am not kidding
So can our Party's leaders and strategist stop giving these clowns new material.
Just fucking have Biden run on his record. | dutchiegeet32 | 11 | 2024-01-06T12:41:11 |
kgkrw2o | 18zz2mq | They were going to celebrate regardless of him being ‘exonerated’ or not. MAGA is a cult. | LuvKrahft | 28 | 2024-01-06T12:42:24 |
kgkrwyg | 18zz2mq | Trump - light treason and small amount of pedophilia - his fans celebrate! | SouthofAkron | 66 | 2024-01-06T12:42:38 |
kgkrzc0 | 18zz2ol | Defense?
In 2020, over 70 million people said "Yes, I want more of that." | hymie0 | 39 | 2024-01-06T12:43:19 |
kgks03y | 18zz2ol | Then focus on wooing the swing voters we have win to keep the WH.
Understand that 'the economy, stupid' is still king. | dutchiegeet32 | 13 | 2024-01-06T12:43:32 |
kgks1w9 | 18zz2mq | Correction - MAGA celebrates ANYTHING Trump.
The Epstein docs could have laid out pictures, video and 23 witnesses saying Trump SA'd 30 little girls, and MAGA would just celebrate how Trump saved the girls from Epstein's satanic torture island. | slipknot_official | 33 | 2024-01-06T12:44:02 |
kgkse0q | 18zz2mq | So, they were expecting something else?
The docs neither exonerted nor condemned anyone, and it was nonsense to think they would.
But if this is the reaction, they really think he did something very wrong, then. They really, really expect there *is* a lot of unpleasantness to come out. | La-Boheme-1896 | 25 | 2024-01-06T12:47:24 |
kgkso9q | 18zyzgl | A case of light treason. | SouthofAkron | 17 | 2024-01-06T12:50:11 |
kgkt4h1 | 18zt5oh | Just stay healthy, Joe. We need you. | guyinnoho | 17 | 2024-01-06T12:54:33 |
kgkt8zd | 18zte1q | We are fucking up this planet. | RoachBeBrutal | 25 | 2024-01-06T12:55:47 |
kgktf98 | 18zz2mq | It's like how confidently incorrect they are about the Russia investigation which they point to as "nothing to see here":
Special Counsel: "...this report does not exonerate him."
The investigation produced 37 indictments; seven guilty pleas or convictions; and compelling evidence that the president obstructed justice on multiple occasions. Mueller also uncovered and referred 14 criminal matters to other components of the Department of Justice.
Trump associates repeatedly lied to investigators about their contacts with Russians, and President Trump refused to answer questions about his efforts to impede federal proceedings and influence the testimony of witnesses.
The bipartisan Senate report also revealed how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian operatives implementing an influence effort. | ganymede_boy | 17 | 2024-01-06T12:57:30 |
kgktmo2 | 18zyrpk | Biden’s PA speech was a good start. But he should be calling out the entire Republican Party. One man, one stupid, blustering gape-hole, can’t do it alone - the GOP is not only complicit, they’re the real enemy. | grailer | 51 | 2024-01-06T12:59:29 |
kgktp1v | 18zz2ol | Imagine being so braindead, you vote to destroy everything America stands for, just so you can piss people off.
Trump supporters are the dumbest people alive. | KappHallen | 1,018 | 2024-01-06T13:00:07 |
kgktq09 | 18zz2mq | I think at this point security video of trump fucking a toddler could be released and they would do some kind of mental gymnastics and say “He was deep undercover and didn’t want to get his cover blown” or some shit. At least they wear their cult on their sleeve so you know to avoid headache of speaking to them. | PainfulShot | 12 | 2024-01-06T13:00:22 |
kgkttrc | 18zz2ol | that s like saying that shop owners are the last line of defence against crime
where is the system ? | Lofteed | 172 | 2024-01-06T13:01:21 |
kgktynq | 18zz2mq | It's a cult. This is what decades of agitation punditry does to a society. Personality cults brainwashed addicted to the tension, addicted to furrowed browed men staring directly into the camera ranting about how everyone is out to get ya motherfucker, but only this one, only this one noble, christ reborn savior can protect you. they see nothing else other then left is bad, anything that hurts the feelings, the prosperity, the lives of the left is good.
get one of these zombies alone one and one, and they might talk some reason, when they're fanatic and stoned on the agitation pundits...they're impossible. they'll believe anything to the death. | Virbillion | 17 | 2024-01-06T13:02:41 |
kgku6b7 | 18zz2mq | It’s as fucked up as the Mueller report: people believing the exact opposite of what’s there because they’re told to. | mattd1972 | 15 | 2024-01-06T13:04:41 |
kgku889 | 18zynz0 | Daily Wire is not a credible news source. | karl_jonez | 21 | 2024-01-06T13:05:11 |
kgkucc1 | 18zyzgl | Trump doesn't need anyone to forget anything. The cult that supports him, left reality a decade ago.
No would-be trump voter has any concern for the truth. | Virbillion | 58 | 2024-01-06T13:06:15 |
kgkv4ph | 18zte1q | Why would it rebound if the environment hasnt improved? | Idealistichyberts163 | 16 | 2024-01-06T13:13:31 |
kgkvu7n | 18zz2ol | This is complete bullsh*t Trump won the first time because he got the plurality of the electoral college — despite losing the popular vote. If he is allowed to come back into power and set up the 2025 agenda, the blame lays on the complicity of the legislature and judiciary. We vote, yes, but the two other branches are literally there to check and balance executive power | Nickopotomus | 68 | 2024-01-06T13:19:59 |
kgkw3ee | 18zz2ol | The disconnect in the conservative subs is insane and terrifying. I keep hoping they are being disingenuous, but apparently it is such a cult they really don't grasp how an incompetent narcissistic trump is going to explode the nation in a rage of revenge. How can they look at the same person and think he's god's gift to the country? How many of them are there outside in real life who can listen to a trump speech and not grasp how messed up the guy is?
I guess the real question is how many people in a strategic electoral college state are there... | SicilyMalta | 169 | 2024-01-06T13:22:11 |
kgkwi30 | 18zz2ol | Voters without leadership and organization are dangerous, easily manipulated, and not actually responsible for anything. This entire argument is based on removing accountability from Democrats to win and make good on their elections. Voters aren't the last line of defense here-- the Democratic Party is. Will they organize voters, win their campaigns, and subvert the opposition as the only organization with the power to defeat Republicans? That's anyone's guess, but what we can be sure of is that if they don't, it will be everyone else's fault. | BabaLalSalaam | 17 | 2024-01-06T13:25:49 |
kgkx2de | 18zz2ol | Unfortunately I looks like the voters could do the opposite ( with a little help from the electoral college system) . Maybe we will all be surprised how close it *isnt* and he loses again , but I ( not even being American) worry that it’s potentially too close to call. | Mkwdr | 12 | 2024-01-06T13:30:45 |
kgkxetz | 18zywbt | This alarm has been going for so long practically background noise. The GOP is holding second place debates for their primary. Like come on. | 0tanod | 79 | 2024-01-06T13:33:43 |
kgkxgaq | 18zt5oh | Many of us feel that same clenched fist burning concern over and contempt for Trump. Go Joe! Keep the government of, by, and FOR the people safe from the terribleness of Trump! | Deconratthink | 12 | 2024-01-06T13:34:03 |
kgky0bl | 19005xg | When is he *NOT* raging at someone? | BelleAriel | 408 | 2024-01-06T13:38:47 |
kgkynac | 19005xg | Donald Trump lives to rage at everything. | LiquidParfait | 55 | 2024-01-06T13:44:11 |
kgkyspo | 18zz2ol | And we are being bombarded with AI misinformation, altered videos, lies, foreign trolls, disingenuous media and dishonest campaign ads... it's going to be a mine field for the next few months... social media is a dangerous place to navigate. | smiama36 | 30 | 2024-01-06T13:45:27 |
kgkz6zt | 18zywbt | Wait I thought it was antifa? BLM? /s | EuphoricMidnight3304 | 21 | 2024-01-06T13:48:51 |
kgkzen1 | 19005xg | I'm not the fraud - you're the fraud! Expect nothing less from the Master Debater Trump. | SouthofAkron | 15 | 2024-01-06T13:50:35 |
kgkzj86 | 19006j9 | Not really shocking. It feels like mainline democratic politicians are out of step with the majority of the democratic/progressive base on this issue.
The fun part is watching internet trolls pretend like they’re somehow going to turn a disagreement on our side into trump votes in the fall because of it all. | fattymcassface | 17 | 2024-01-06T13:51:39 |
kgkznw5 | 18zyrpk | If those people were black, tanks would have rolled out.
If they were Muslim, we would have bombed a country that had nothing to do with it. | TheMicMic | 24 | 2024-01-06T13:52:43 |
kgkzol4 | 19005xg | Will his supporters keep giving so he can pay that bill should it happen? | ProtectionContent977 | 13 | 2024-01-06T13:52:53 |
kgkzvw7 | 19003cg | He is a loser, a sore loser. The very definition of someone who can’t accept a loss. | OregonBlues | 1,870 | 2024-01-06T13:54:34 |
kgkzz69 | 19005xg | Drain the swamp, Donnie. If the swamp are your maga supporters and they give you the money they would otherwise spend on overthrowing democracy, then drain away. | Travelerdude | 12 | 2024-01-06T13:55:18 |
kgl09ux | 19003cg | Every Democrat running for office needs to hound in the fact that Trump is a weak sore loser. This. Needs. To. Be. Heard. Everywhere. By. Everyone. All. The. Time. | Travelerdude | 388 | 2024-01-06T13:57:41 |
kgl0h9q | 19005xg | People with dementia start to lose the ability to control their anger. I thinks his path won't get better. | StealthWarriors | 190 | 2024-01-06T13:59:22 |
kgl0ic5 | 19005xg | Easy to figure Trump's response to anything..
1) Did he make money from the thing, get praised, or appear special?
if Yes ... he will be happy for that moment
If No
Rage | TintedApostle | 27 | 2024-01-06T13:59:36 |
kgl0xes | 18zywbt | relevant words from the 14th amendment: *or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof*
these pardons should be a disqualifying act for an originalist reading. OOPS! too late, trump has already unarguably done this in enabling, coordinating, and allowing jan 6 to occur. never forget this.
this is why the *engaged in* the insurrection isn't even the key part. while imo he did, it's more provable and easily seen that he *gave aid and comfort* | CloudSlydr | 76 | 2024-01-06T14:03:01 |
kgl12dd | 19003cg | Biden Harris 2024. I’ll be voting for democracy. | JeffSpicolisBong | 201 | 2024-01-06T14:04:08 |
kgl1822 | 18zywbt | [Of the 147 members of Congress that voted to overturn the election](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/07/us/elections/electoral-college-biden-objectors.html)
As many as 117 are still running for office today. | CaptainNoBoat | 198 | 2024-01-06T14:05:23 |
kgl1idt | 18zt5oh | As a trans person I'm very afraid. | TransThrowaway4096 | 12 | 2024-01-06T14:07:39 |
kgl1jxw | 1900hsu | > The Constitution has a right to defend itself, but Trump also has a right to due process
There is no due process for violating the 14th amendment. No criminal conviction or even charges are required to be barred from public office. | droids4evr | 37 | 2024-01-06T14:08:00 |
kgl1qh0 | 18zyrpk | The forces of white supremacy already have a good track record of revisionist history… “The Lost Cause” successfully whitewashed the stain of slavery, and you still see it at work today (re: Florida’s “upsides of slavery”). It’s what got us to January 6th in the first place.
Gotta hand it to the GOP, they quickly shifted America’s shame and shock over J6 to being “legitimate political discourse”, “tourists” and a “love fest” with law enforcement. That’s some Grade-A, Kremlin/Kim-Jong level bullshit there, y’all. | youtellmebob | 11 | 2024-01-06T14:09:29 |
kgl1qh4 | 1900hsu | This is a great chance for Republicans to move on from Trump. Secretly, they want this guy to go away for good but can't say it out loud. They would love their voting base.
If they let the lifetime appointment guys take him down, everyone wins. No one loses their jobs, and they can blame the Dems! | Eightfold876 | 46 | 2024-01-06T14:09:29 |
kgl20qe | 19005xg | Bc it’s 370M more than he has/is worth? | giga_phantom | 75 | 2024-01-06T14:11:47 |
kgl217u | 19005xg | Donald Trump is a loathsome troll. Imagine, though, the stress he is going through right now. Sleeping alone while Melania is with her boyfriend. Ivanka far away with that Jew and not calling. No real friends; only sycophants. Slight diaper rash. Lawsuits and trials challenging his business, his fortune, and his freedom. All not good for an elderly man. | rockum | 66 | 2024-01-06T14:11:53 |
kgl24gs | 1900hsu | The main arguments they keep using for keeping him on the ballot suck.
“We should let the people decide!” - They already did in 2020 and threw the motherfucker out. He didn’t like that decision and then attempted a coup. I somehow doubt that if he’s allowed to run again and then loses again, he’ll be any more willing to accept his loss than he was the first time.
“It will tear the country apart!” - So you’re saying we should all just be cowards who submit to domestic terrorists who will inevitably commit violence if they’re not allowed to vote for their demented cult leader. Fuck no. | Mum0817 | 149 | 2024-01-06T14:12:35 |
kgl2k8e | 18zynz0 | Post this shit somewhere else. Daily Wire is garbage. | Matobar | 11 | 2024-01-06T14:16:04 |
kgl2qtv | 18zu5du | I’ll be voting for Joe Biden in November. | JeffSpicolisBong | 12 | 2024-01-06T14:17:32 |
kgl2wim | 18zz2ol | Electoralism shouldn’t be the last line of defense. Basic law should be. | themightytouch | 13 | 2024-01-06T14:18:46 |
kgl2ycu | 18zyzgl | I noticed that there are no MAGA J6 parades in any city today | Doomnuts1 | 15 | 2024-01-06T14:19:10 |
kgl3f4z | 19003cg | Yep. It’s true, Trump lost the 2020 election. Which means, yes, he is a LOSER and has been rejected by the American people. | JeffSpicolisBong | 247 | 2024-01-06T14:22:46 |
kgl3ndd | 18zvam1 | 80 million Trump voters: “Well yes, that’s exactly what we’re voting for” | BoringWozniak | 14 | 2024-01-06T14:24:33 |
kgl3oo8 | 18zz2ol | Voters in the swing states are the last line of defense | EuphoricMidnight3304 | 93 | 2024-01-06T14:24:49 |
kgl41gd | 19003cg | Dark Brandon Rises | BoringWozniak | 501 | 2024-01-06T14:27:34 |
kgl4rae | 1900hsu | The republican SCOTUS are going to use Kurt Lash's (Federalist Society) paper. We have already seen the terrible arguments.
**Section Three does not expressly:**
**(1) apply to future rebellions or insurrections:**
It was a lesson learned and not point in time, but if you want to take the PIT approach....
If this was a point in time amendment one could easily argue that the 2nd amendment was also a point in time amendment designed because we did not want a central military and we still had British, Spanish and French presence in North America. In fact, the war of 1812 demonstrates this point in time issue.
We now have a strong central military and no longer have European colonial powers in North America than the 2nd is just a point in time. To argue it was also for overthrowing the government that part is weak and relies of snippets of cobbled together small quotes from various sources.
Clearly this amendment section was not point in time, but a lesson learned. If you want to repeal it then go for it, but its a rule right now.
**(2) apply to persons elected as President of the United States**
Lash argues every office should be explicitly named while the actual authors say in Congressional record the complete opposite.
Per response to Lash.
"At the end of the day this is an attempt to create ambiguity out of thin air. The language of section 3's banned places is clear and applying that language to encompass the presidency and vice presidency creates no absurdity or normatively implausible results. To the contrary, this application is entirely consistent with the legislative purpose and, to the extent it can be determined, with specific legislative intent and understanding. As much as courts may want an "off-ramp" to avoid the necessity of disqualifying Trump from the presidency, this is not it."
**(3) apply to persons seeking to qualify as a candidate for the Presidency,**
Total crap as Trump took an oath he violated and has been promising pardons for convicted seditious Conspirators. The Kurt Lash approach is to say... "OK I can hold office, but if I can't hold office I we can run and be elected." This is that "Let the people decide" gambit which is an Ad Populum fallacy being the President is not directly elected by popular vote AND the 14th amendment is not open to a popular vote. It was ratified by 3/4 of the States elected legislatures and is thus the codified popular vote.
If you could override amendments via a popular vote we would have passed Gun Control since 65% of the country would vote for it. Can you put Putin on the ballot if he was "popular"? Of course not because he is disqualified by the ratified constitution clauses. He can't be on a ballot. Neither can Trump. The amendments are the rules.
**(4) indicate whether the enforcement of Section Three requires the passage of enabling legislation.**
It is self-executing with a relief clause. Don't commit insurrection or rebellion. | TintedApostle | 12 | 2024-01-06T14:33:10 |
kgl4ys5 | 18zywbt | Hope the lawyers arguing the ballot case bring up that he is providing 'aid and comfort' to people actually convicted of insurrection. | Shaman7102 | 15 | 2024-01-06T14:34:47 |
kgl51jp | 18zz2ol | Trump's an old man. Wait until Uday and Qusay take over. | Wireman7 | 11 | 2024-01-06T14:35:22 |
kgl59sf | 18zywbt | There was nothing stopping former President Trump from pardoning the January 6th insurrectionists while he was still in office. Trump chose not to. Trump could’ve issued a blanket pardon for everyone involved, but didn’t because these people were less than useful idiots who failed to achieve his goal. It’s well documented that Trump commented on their appearance, as if he expected people to storm the capital in business suits instead of costumes and to not steal and smear feces on the walls. For anyone reading this and who disagrees if he didn’t pardon them three years ago why would he bother now? Trump actually had the power then, and couldn’t be bothered, now that he doesn’t have the power, he says that he would take action. | Corey307 | 29 | 2024-01-06T14:37:04 |