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(A) How do you feel about the Viet Nam war (B) (I) (guess) it's pretty deep feelings I just went back and rented the movie (what) (is) (it) GOOD MORNING VIET NAM and (A) (I) (saw) (that) (as) (well) (B) Got some insight there to kind of help me put together the feelings I really appreciated the whole English class where the fellow just wouldn't do it the guy's gouging your eyes out what are you going to do what for him to finish me off And it was good to remember that kind of Asian philosophy (A) were (B) (that) (A) you ever in Viet Nam (or) (B) No (no) I was kind of an in-between finally drew a high draft number and you (A) I was much too young I was born in sixty-seven (so) (well) both my brothers were draft age but neither of them wound up going over which I think they were very happy for (B) personally I just went in limbo I had a passport and was ready to go out of the country or join special forces either one I just didn't know (So) (A) so do you feel that it was worth what we did over there (B) (just) (a) (second) (A) (Okay) (B) (Okay) (Sure) Mark what was that again (A) I mean do you think the investment in lives and money was worth it (B) No not really (A) (I) (totally) (agree) (with) (that) what effects do you think it's had on our country (B) Downside the says we should go into the grief that's there and presidents have always avoided that as a country So it's pretty serious really lot of things that aren't being addressed (A) (I) (think) that's pretty typical of the entire involvement over (you) (know) that nothing was really addressed (you) (know) it was never we announced that we were going to war it was such a gradual and subtle you know increasement of force that (B) Gulf of Tonkin resolution and was it a dolphin or a torpedo You remember that (A) I vaguely remember we had a spy ship torpedoed (or) (something) (B) only it was foggy and finally President Johnson said they're weren't really sure whether it was a dolphin or a torpedo Isn't that something (A) so do you think that for example in this past war in the Persian Gulf war (you) (see) it seemed (to) (me) that Bush was going to extraordinary lengths to prepare the country for war (B) Hey Mark I've got to go (A) (Okay) (B) We'll see you (I) (guess) our five minutes are up according to me Are they to you (A) I wasn't really keeping count But (I) (guess) good-bye (B) (okay) bye-bye (A) Bye

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(A) do you have a P C (B) Yes I have a Macintosh S E thirty (A) a lot of my friends are into Macintoshes I have a I B M P C myself A two eighty-six I'm probably eventually going to get a three eighty-six (B) What do you use yours for mostly (A) mostly word processing applications and just as a dumb terminal but I think eventually I'll start using it for spreadsheets and things like that what do you find that you use yours mostly for (B) I do a lot of word processing (and) spreadsheets and data base and (about) (the) (only) (thing) I'm just starting to get into a little bit more communications now I've just today ordered a fax modem so I'll be able to send and receive faxes over there (without) (using) you don't have to make a hard copy that way are you using windows (A) No I think I'm planning on moving up getting a three eighty-six before I move up to windows although I do like the graphical user environment (B) it's getting to be more and more like a Macintosh (A) (it's) I just want it more for multi tasking which I suppose is also like a Macintosh (B) (the) (one) (thing) (I) (used) (to) (use) (a) I've never used an I B M actually I used to use just an Apple two E which of course (is) looks pretty primitive now (A) that's what I learned a lot of languages on was an Apple two E in my high school (B) But I don't have any real programming capabilities on my Mac now I don't have any compilers (so) (I'm) (A) do you use your computer for (just) things around the house (or) (in) (the) () (B) I use it in my business (A) what do you do (B) I do consultation and testing of various kinds for English as a second language programs (A) wow and (do) these programs are they based on a other language (or) (are) (they) (based) (you) (know) a lot of the English as a second language classes will have people from all sorts of parts of the world and the teacher just tries to teach English through natural understanding (B) that's the kind of thing I'm working with exactly You seem to be better informed than the average person on that (A) (it) (was) (just) when I was high school I worked for the community school and they had a English second language class and it always seemed strange to me that all these people that spoke English not too well and spoke a variety of different languages were all being taught at the same time I imagine it's a lot harder on a computer because (you) (know) you don't have as many cues you don't have hand gestures and things like that (B) now (we) what I use a computer for is to write materials that are later printed though Most of the stuff that I do is not interactive and I use it for data analysis on testing (so) (A) to see how well they retain the vocabulary and things like that (B) actually just item analysis statistical analysis of the tests when you write a test you have to look at some data from it and see how the different questions are performing and find out which ones are discriminating well and which ones aren't find out how reliable the test is you try correlate it with other tests (and) (things) (of) (that) (sort) (So) it's involves a lot of spreadsheet use (A) (I) (would) (imagine) (so) (so) what were you doing when you were using an Apple two E (B) I was doing some of the same stuff but doing it more slowly and with smaller files I can't believe I've got five megabytes on this one now (A) (it's) (B) and on my two E I had a hundred twenty-eight K (A) Yes it's amazing how in the general user community the expectations have just grown so much I remember my first computer was a T R S eighty with four K on it and then I started playing with Apples and those had forty-eight or if they were really great (B) (the) (old) (A) they had sixty-four K (B) the old Apple the (the) original Apple had (what) forty-eight (I) (guess) didn't it (A) (I) (know) (I) (know) that in my school they had a bunch that had sixteen K on them is all (and) (B) (My) (goodness) (A) I remember that there was one game that I played that required forty-eight K and there was only one computer that had forty-eight K on it at the time And it's just so amazing that generally if you I'm not sure about Macintoshes but I know I B M -s (you) (know) you buy a megabyte at a time that's the low end (B) the S P thirty goes up to eight but I haven't upgraded it quite that far yet I think probably when I get system seven I may have to do that and get possibly another hard disk (I) (don't) (know) They say that system seven uses a lot of memory (A) (I) (imagine)

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(A) (Okay) so you have eight children what type of things do you do as a family to spend time together (B) we spend a lot of time outdoors jogging bicycling going to the park some time watching V C R movies generally cheap things (A) we know how that goes with lots of kids you don't have lots of money for recreation (B) (That's) (A) that's fun So let's see some of the things we do together as a family we like to play games a lot and you may think this is funny but one of our funnest games we like to play together is hide and seek and we just have a hoot playing hide and seek when it's dark in our house and that is so fun The kids just get a crack out of that we do like to go to the park too like your family we don't do a lot of vacationing Have you taken a lot of vacations together (or) (B) Most of our vacations are to go and see Grandma and Grandpa (A) (and) (whe-) (B) We get an occasional one or two day thing but most of them are going and seeing Grandma and Grandpa (A) now where do they live (B) In Arizona (A) so that's a bit of a drive for you there (B) Yes (A) so you like to go there for the holidays (and) (B) we don't go very often for holidays Generally we try to get all of our kids back home for the holidays and let Grandma and Grandpa come and visit us (A) what are the ages of your kids then (B) They range from twenty-four to five (A) So you have some in the nest and some out (B) (That's) How old are your children (A) (We) (have) ours start at twelve and then they go down to four (B) I think the hardest thing for us is to find you know leisure time activities that all of our kids can enjoy together (A) (I) (bet) (B) with the age span (that) we have the older kids love playing board games (and) (that) (kind) (of) (thing) but the young kids don't understand it (A) (Yes) (B) (and) so they get real frustrated when we try to do that (and) (A) Yes (and) (then) if you want to play something on the little kids' level (then) the older kids get (real) bored and (they) want to do something else (So) I can relate to that do you feel that the current trend in families spending time together is (a) positive (one) or (a) negative (one) (B) I think it's improving (actually) We had an interesting experience the other day (we) (have) pretty much (a) (routine) (that) (we) (spend) we don't have our kids play with other kids on Sunday (and) we (just) (kind) (of) keep them at home (and) (our) (next) (door) (neighbor) we were at a soccer game Saturday and our next door neighbor was there (and) somebody came up and asked if their daughter could spend Saturday night at their house and she said no Sunday's our family day (and) we keep our kids at home so we can spend time with them (A) (That's) (good) (B) (And) I think those kinds of things are happening a lot where we are now (A) (good) (B) I think it's gone to one extreme where the families were (just) running all different direction (and) I think more people are interested in spending time with their kids now (A) (I) (think) (so) and (I) (feel) (you) (know) like President Bush has mentioned quite often that we are trying to become a kinder and gentler nation and it does begin with the families at home and so I'm a firm believer in that too (B) I think a lot of people are panicked how kids are turning out and how things are going for kids and realizing they've got to start doing something (So) (A) (Yes) (that's) (true) we see that a lot out here in Utah and hopefully it's going to spread (B) Utah's a lot better than Texas (A) do you have a lot of large families out there in Texas (or) (B) Very few (A) (Very) (few) You feel like you're in the minority (B) definitely When we tell people how many kids we have they look at us like we didn't have good sense (A) (dear) (B) (But) (A) out here in Utah five is about the (B) Average (A) the average (B) My wife and I were in Utah until I guess we were about twenty-four Never been back since then (but) We have kids up there now so we get up occasionally (A) I have some relatives out there in Texas in fact my mom's out there in Texas now in Dallas spending a month with her cousins on their ranch (and) (B) where in Dallas (A) (no) (I'm) (trying) Aberdeen is that close to Dallas (B) I don't have any idea I've never heard of it Must be a (A) (Don't) (you) (B) little town (A) I guess it's out there clear out They have a ranch that has like five hundred acres (and)

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(B) Two years (A) and he was so mean to her after we first got him we had him neutered and declawed and now he bites her He can't scratch her any more he bites her (B) Does he bite her enough to draw blood (A) he has a couple of times so But he's a very possessive cat he loves my son it's his cat and he's the only one that allows him to touch him or pet him or love him and he's so funny he (just) follows my son around just like a dog He won't even let my son shower He meows and wants to get in the bathroom (and) while he showers it's so hilarious So he's quite a animal (B) (boy) (I) (guess) as long as he doesn't get too aggressive I guess with the daughter he's all You wouldn't want him to carry her off or something (A) we did actually take him to the pound a couple of times because we just couldn't have him being (B) (Sure) (A) so aggressive towards the girl but he seems to have mellowed out a little bit and we do keep our daughter away from him So Were it not for my son the cat would not be in this house (B) Is that the only pet that you have (A) It is we tried a dog about four years ago and we ended up with malamute and some other kind of mix Anyway it ended up being just a huge dog that ate us out of house and home So we gave him up (and) (tried) (B) do you live in a house (or) (a) (place) (where) (you) (A) Yes we're in a house but we're in a subdivision (B) (I) (see) (A) where we really can't allow the dog (we) (couldn't) (allow) (him) to run free so he was just chained up all the time and it was (B) (Sure) (A) unfortunate have you tried any other pets (B) No (no) I live alone in an apartment and it's not that big that although I've heard rabbits are pretty good I saw something on C N N or on cable here a while ago that showed some people that had rabbits in apartments (A) (my) (word) (B) and in houses and (they) apparently (especially) when they're young when they bring them in (A) (my) (word) (B) () (A) And do they just paper train it (or) (something) (B) I guess (I) (guess) and I would imagine that they don't have many more than one to start with either (A) rabbits are darling That would be fun if you could get them trained Otherwise they're pretty smelly (B) (that's) Did you see the C N N the dog show (A) we don't have cable (B) I see (they) (have) they call it the Westminster Dog Show I think it's in New York City at the Gardens there once a year live and they had that on last week and that's really kind of something to watch it's on I think two or three nights for maybe an hour or two (A) (Is) (that) (B) and some of the weirdest animals you ever want to see in there Some of them are really beautiful too (A) (I'd) (be) (interesting) (to) (watch) (B) you live in Utah do you (A) Yes Elton (B) (Goodness) (A) We live out here it's by Ogden It's north of Salt Lake City Utah

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(A) I don't know I think the budget is really out of hand now and especially in this election year I think that there ought to be at least some conversation about what we are supposed to do about this (B) it kind of seems to me that everyone's offering their token little tax cut program when it's (when) (it's) just such a bad time for it (A) and as you said mostly they are token cuts especially what for instance George Bush is offering (B) The ninety-seven cents a week (A) (ninety-seven) (cents) (a) (week) (what) that's really not going to do a lot of good it doesn't seem to me to your average middle income person Another ninety-seven cents hell you can buy a coke or something for that (B) (mostly) it's not actually a cut it's just a cut in the amount withheld I don't see this changing my lifestyle a whole lot (A) That ninety-seven cents really isn't going to do it for me either I haven't really heard much of what the other candidates have said that have made a lot of sense to me either especially the Democratic candidates don't seem to be coming up with much that really sparks my interest as far as maybe that could do something to affect our budget at this point (B) in retrospect was it Mondale or Dukakis that said I'll tell you now I'm going to raise taxes (A) (I) (believe) (it) (was) (Dukakis) (B) It was Dukakis (A) (but) (I) (can't) (B) I have a lot of respect for him (A) that's better than George Bush who came out and said No I will not read my lips (or) (whatever) and then ten months later he said sorry I (I) can't follow through on this But it seems to me that the budget is so out of hand and especially now that they say Okay the cold war is over and we're supposed to be getting a peace dividend of (of) X number of (billion) trillion dollars a year I'd really like to know where that money is actually going to go because in my opinion I don't think I'm ever going to see any of this (peace) so-called peace dividend (B) (it's) (A) if they could actually put something together (and) (make) I'm not really in favor of large government social programs either because I feel that they waste money also but with this peace dividend it seems like you could set up some kind of public works projects like they had in the thirties (or) (whatever) (B) I think that would be a great idea like the conservation corps (where) (A) (ex-) (B) it would help unemployment greatly (A) (Exactly) (B) (And) (it) (A) and in that way we could really focus on building the infra structure of the country (B) (infra) (structure) (is) (in) we have hurt ourselves incredibly last fifty years in the (A) (and) (B) cold war (A) and there's no way that we can ever really recover from (from) the state that we're in now unless (at) (least) (I) (feel) (unless) we focus on the infra structure and I surely don't hear anybody saying that now (B) (I) (agree) (totally) it just seems (you) (know) so ridiculous that it was allowed to happen I'm in college now (and) (A) So am I (B) (really) where do you go (A) I U (B) I go to Georgia Tech And in (what) (I) (had) (you) (know) the required political science class a couple of years ago And one of the things we discussed was how the budget situation just got so out of hand And essentially what happened was I think it was like in the tax year of eighty-one Ronald Reagan basically said I'm going to give this much of a tax cut to the tax payers and created this ludicrous budget that he knew that the Congress would not in their mind pass and the Democratic Congress realized that they were going to lose a propaganda war you know bye-bye removing the tax cut further cut the taxes and (you) (know) created the huge deficit that year which moved us into the trillion dollar deficit (And) (you) (just) () (A) you just have to wonder what they're thinking in Washington (B) it's just like they're playing chicken with a loaded gun (A) (it's) (more) (than) (a) (loaded) it's a loaded cannon they've got trillions of dollars to spend every year and they in my opinion don't do a very responsible job (of) (spending) (that) (money) (B) what really bothers me is it just seems like if anyone were to say I'm going to raise taxes and cut the budget and we're going to have to do some unpopular things he wouldn't have a chance of getting elected (A) (no) (B) it's kind of like Rome and the bread and circuses thing where people just want to have whatever will make them feel good now (A) for the moment and that's what really is getting me about what George Bush's stand on the budget is now is that he is saying I am going to give you this ludicrous little tax cut so that you'll be happy come November and you'll elect me again and then I'm going to go on and just forget everything that I said or it doesn't seem that it's going to make much of a difference (B) (It) I don't know I don't think George Bush will make the American people happy with ninety-seven cents a week (A) No (no) not at all (B) I just don't think it was a well thought out 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(A) how do you feel about crime in the city You say you're from Atlanta (B) actually I live in the city and (I) (guess) it is a concern of mine for my own safety (A) do you find crime in Atlanta really I live in Atlanta also (B) that's I think it is bad in certain areas however (I) (think) the area that I live in the crime level is not as high as it is in other areas of the city (I) (think) it seems that there's certain areas where the crime is focused (A) what do you think can be done about the crime in the city (B) I think what's been happening over the last several years it seems they've been beefing up the police patrols trying to put more guys more cops higher visibility and they've had some impact but not a tremendous amount and probably they need to try to increase community involvement (that) (sort) (of) (thing) (I) (think) () (A) (I) (probably) (agree) (with) (that) (B) particularly in some of the housing projects that tends to be where a lot of that crime is focused and they've got to do more than just having cops there They've got to kind of change the way people think about it (A) (that's) (probably) (true) so do you think Atlanta's as bad as most other cities (B) (I've) (been) (to) I'd say it's probably in the top ten in terms of crime it's nowhere near as bad as New York City for example Probably not as bad as Detroit (A) I don't think it's as bad as L A either (B) No (A) I don't think we have as much of the gang problem as a lot of the other cities have (B) that seems to be true if you've ever been to New York City and as you walk through the street on a given evening you can see crimes being committed It's that obvious (A) (I) (don't) (know) I came to the conclusion also that if you are walking in a downtown area where there's a lot of crime a lot of that's going to just keeping your senses about you and trying not to look like a victim (B) (that's) (true) (A) (walk) (bi-) (walk) (with) with (B) With a big stick (or) (A) just walk in (a) confidently and don't don't be looking around like you've never been there before (B) (Sure) (A) and you have no idea where you are (B) don't walk down an alley (or) (don't) (get) just try to keep yourself out of a bad situation (but) there are times when you can't avoid (all) that and (then) you're (kind) (of) on your own (A) have you ever been mugged in Atlanta (B) no The only thing I've ever had was (I've) (had) my wallet lifted but that was in (a) more of a setting where there was a number of people around (and) (I) (kind) (of) (got) I was much younger at the time and (kind) (of) a couple of people (they) just took it (from) me without me knowing (really) and (kind) (of) passed it off so I didn't know who had it (I've) (had) (that) (happen) but that's about it (A) I've been pretty lucky about getting mugged I think I've only actually seen (you) (know) one actual robbery with a gun and that's been (about) the only (you) (know) potentially violent crime that I've seen in Atlanta (B) (Really) (I've) (had) (my) (A) (And) that was just a guy running out of a store that he just robbed (B) I've had my car stolen so maybe that counts (A) (really) where was that Was that downtown (or) (B) no that was up near Cumberland Mall area (A) (Really) (B) It's actually Cobb County but it is Atlanta (A) (Metropolitan) (B) (and) there's a lot of car thefts in that area (A) I've known some people that have had their cars stolen and about half the time the A P D seems to recover them in various states of disrepair Up on blocks My friend had a V W Rabbit and when he got it back his dashboard was sitting in the front seat (B) it had been wrecked and some superficial type damage but they didn't strip it so I got it back (A) you're probably luckier (than) (B) (than) (most) (A) so does insurance pay for the body damage or was that all there was (body) (B) It was about three grand to put everything together They cracked the steering column (of) (course) to steal the car you crack the steering column and (you) (pull) (the) there's a pin in there that you can pull on these G M cars and you can start it up basically pretty easily (A) So how do you know this much about stealing cars (B) (after) (I) (found) (mine) (I) (had) (this)

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(A) How's your products been (B) I really haven't had too many problems seems to me that everything that I buy goes bad just after the warranty runs out (A) (I) (hear) (that) (one) Have you had any lately go out (B) I've had a dryer an ice maker a microwave all three and they unfortunately I bought them all three at the same time when I bought my new house and I really don't have any recourse so I had to call and have them all repaired and that (A) (wow) (B) it was a hassle (A) So you didn't get anything even all the warranties were out (B) the warranty on the refrigerator (the) (i-) the refrigerator warranty's still good but the ice maker itself passed its three years and it was three years and two months (A) You're kidding (B) (No) (A) we just moved into a new house too so we had to buy all those too (B) watch out (A) the only thing I've had problems with is I buy a lot of wood working equipment through the mail and I bought this paint stripper where they advertise that it's nontoxic and such and when you get the product it ends up being toxic and all these warnings So I didn't return it because it'd probably cost me more than I just ended up using it But that's about the only thing I've had gone wrong (But) (B) I usually have pretty good luck with appliances (but) (I) (just) it was within two days that all three of these stopped working (and) (the) (A) (That's) (incredible) (B) the ice maker was had to have a new pump and the microwave had to have some kind of something I can't even pronounce and they the dryer had to have a new heating element so it was almost three hundred dollars for all three of them (A) And they all went out at the same time (B) within two days of each other (A) (Or) (two) (days) (Wow) (B) I was it wasn't a good week I was pretty mad plus the place that I'd bought them all had gone out of business so I think even if I had kept the warranty the service agreements were with the companies that manufactured but still they were through that retailer so I don't know if I could have taken it to another retailer or not (A) (Wow) (it's) (frustrating) (B) But I didn't have to worry about all that because they weren't under warranty So It was a call to the local appliance dealer who came out and fixed them all but I the only other things that I've ever had trouble with I seem to have a real bad trouble with electric hair dryers blow dryers (A) they go out a lot (B) I've had two or three of those go out One was under warranty and the other two weren't but (I) (just) other than that T V (-s) and things like that I haven't ever had any trouble (with) I don't think products are getting much better though (A) I'm in the manufacturing home from work and make automotive air bags (the) (safety) (air) (bags) (B) (really) That's interesting (A) At Morton International (and) (I) (thin-) it's changed a lot with the manufacturing environment We test everything after each assembly process and so our testing is pretty thorough (but) (B) do you test each individual one or do you just test if you've got ten you test one and by the test results of the one you assume that the other nine are okay (A) (the) (tests) (that) we test every one electrically (We) (don't) I think they test four or five a day actually exploding the air bags but we do test during the assembly product after we assemble each part of the inflator or what explodes the bag we check to make sure it's there after we install it (so) each assembly process has an inspection after it's done and then we do electrical tests on them during the process (so) (B) that's something I've never had to use I've never been involved in an automobile accident (so) luckily that's a product that I haven't had to test But I think it's a great idea (I'm) seems like all the good logical ideas take forever to come about but that (A) they do all the testing that we have to do through the government it's incredible how much testing they have to do (B) I'm sure they want to be thorough (before) (they) (But) (even) I don't mind spending the extra money on the car

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(B) although it has not disturbed me any (A) (I) (see) (B) How about yourself (A) (I'm) my medical coverage is with an H M O so in my opinion that's bordering on a health clinic but it seems to be a good way to maintain costs and still provide a good amount of coverage (B) Our district did that for the ninety-one and the ninety or calendar years and I was in the H M O and (I) (was) because my same doctor agreed to be in it (for) they usually sign a contract or something and I did have surgery last summer and I paid ten dollars when I went to see him that first day and I've never seen another bill so I (I) have to say it really works But again I was fortunate because my doctor agreed to be in it if you've been going to a doctor for ten years (or) (something) and he elects not to join it can be very stressful (for) (A) (Yes) (B) (those) (people) (A) (That's) I'm fairly young myself (I've) (only) (been) when I first started working (which) three years ago (is) (when) (I) (first) (got) (into) (full) (time) (employment) (and) (at) (that) (time) I immediately joined the H M O (and) (I) (never) (really) so the only doctor I've (kind) (of) consistently had has been through the H M O and for me it's worked out real good (B) but if you have a family and everybody's gone to different doctors it is hard to give up somebody who you feel knows you and your body and just has all the medical history and you feel comfortable with it I'm sure it would be very stressful and my husband and I have just elected that if that happens I will go and just pay You can continue to go to your own doctor but your benefits are not as good (A) you mentioned you work for a school system I work for Georgia Tech in the (B) (all) (A) research branch and I guess another one that I rank up there high is the kind of job flexibility and time off I enjoy as a benefit (B) I do too Are you talking about Spring Break (and) (A) getting a lot of breaks between quarters and that and having a lot of vacation (B) (it) (really) (I) (don't) (think) (most) (of) (our) (teachers) I'm not a teacher I am a secretarial executive assistant but I don't think the teachers could stand the stress all year long frankly It is just Texas (has) (really) they want everybody educated no matter what it costs (and) (it) (would) (be) (just) we all look forward to in two weeks we have Spring Break and I don't know who looks forward to it more the students or the teachers and the staff What do you do there (A) I'm not actually on the teaching faculty but we have a large research organization associated with the university and that's who I work with (B) (Okay) (A) and we're given a good bit of flexibility in what we do We can kind of pursue our own interests in terms of the research areas that we study (B) that's good I would think that that type of employment one day you might be really tuned in and the next day a little luke warm or something and it's good that they allow you that (It) (as) (I) (say) the schools now we do have to work (the) (day) but we do get many days off and we all look forward to it

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(B) they seem to think that it won't but you never know (A) Now if playing basketball are you knees do you have healthy knees (B) I think my ankles probably are my main weak point (A) (dear) (B) But I've kind of taken care of that I wear high tops and then also a support ankle brace which is very stiff and wearing that I haven't had any problems in the past year or so (A) (that's) (good) you sound just like my husband He he injured his ankle about seven months ago playing volleyball and he's just had a heck of a time getting that ankle healthy (B) (I) (A) So that's what he does he wears his brace and his high tops (and) (B) I injured mine so many times that rehabilitating became quite easy it would only take three or four days and I could play again on it (A) (Wow) (B) (because) after a while you just learn how to rehabilitate yourself to play that way (A) (dear) (B) so how successful is your exercise video (A) It is amazing how fast you take off the inches (and) (once) (I) (start) (my) (forty-) I'd like to do the forty-five minutes a day on the bike for a week and then every other day I'd like to incorporate the video and then the bike on the other day (But) (it) (is) (really) (amazing) (how) (fast) (the) (inches) (come) (off) and the muscle builds real fast (you) (can) (start) they recommend doing the video without weights for the first month and then after that you can just start with your five pound dumbbells and then build up to your twenty-five pound dumbbells and then you're (just) doing repetitious exercises throughout the whole video and it's a hour long video (so) (B) So it's a good workout (A) It is I really enjoy that so I'm looking forward to losing this weight and being firm and healthy (B) So in the winter (I) (guess) (there's) (a) (lot) (of) it's quite cold (and) (A) (Yes) (B) snow (A) Yes Now this one has been quite mild we could have been out walking throughout the whole winter because really we only had about three weeks of snow on the ground It was quite chilly (but) (not)

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(A) how do you get most of your current event information (B) (see) I'm going to school now and while I'm working I don't get a chance to read the paper a lot and I don't watch T V as much really either because (my) (free) (time) (is) (kind) (of) (and) I like do other stuff with it While I'm at work sometimes on the computer network I read the news sometimes and that's kind of helpful (A) I would imagine going to college though your professors and different things you keep up on what's going on (B) (That's) (true) my roommates and stuff people around me talk about it And the people I work with are pretty up-to-date on that kind of stuff (so) (A) I'm a housewife I have three kids and so I get most of my information probably through just the news at six o'clock and then talking with people and just hearing what's going on (B) do you watch like major network news (or) (do) (you) (watch) (A) Just the regular channel (B) the MACNEIL LEHRER HOUR (A) just channel eight (B) really (A) That's our channel here that's the eyewitness news (B) (see) (channel) where I am channel eight's public T V so it's kind of different (I) (think) (the) I think a lot of the commentators on the major networks it's kind of appropriate now because of the election stuff going on but it seems that they kind of get to throw their opinions into how they report on the news (A) And I think even in the elections they choose who they're going to follow and who they're not (and) (basically) if a candidate can get them to follow then the news will kind of publicize his name (B) (exactly) (A) I don't think that the way I get the news is the way to get it I think you get a very lopsided picture of what's going on (B) because they can only report on they give each candidate perhaps ten second blurbs in which you know to say you just can't get a full picture of their message unless you have time to sit down and probably read something on it (A) And the news too it just doesn't cover that many stories it just covers your basic violent crimes and your catastrophes with weather and stuff but other than that you really don't know what's going on I will read our current letters that come out on elections and I guess I do read that and I do study who's running in our area and I do study what's going on in the economy (It) (and) I guess I do read other magazines too to get my information (B) if they reported every violent crime in Atlanta it would probably take the whole news hour (But) (A) I guess we'll get pretty good news coverage in a couple of years when you host the summer olympics (B) (that's) already they're having in the newspaper they have a section (I) (think) every now and then on the Olympics and they've got a countdown it's like sixteen hundred days or something (A) I know we're trying to get tickets to it now (B) (really) That's going to be crazy that time of year here But I can't believe they're stretching out the Olympic news for that much coverage (over) I guess people want to hear about it Also big in the news now is the Braves because they're in spring training (or) (whatever) and they did so well last year (A) that's another thing they spend a long time on sports and I think that's fine I would like to see more time spent on other things (But) (B) It seems like (I) (don't) (know) they way they do the newscasts I wish they (kind) (of) separated it if you wanted to watch one thing you could turn to some channel for it but I don't have cable

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(A) (and) I did get one summons actually at one point but I declined it which I'm able to do because I'm a student because it was a very bad time (B) you learn a lot going to the juries like that though (A) I would like to do at some point but I haven't one thing that I think you know maybe is a problem (is) (I) (think) that the criminal jury system works pretty well now but I wonder if maybe in some civil cases it doesn't work as well (Especially) (sort) (of) (B) I wouldn't think that it does (A) (wha-) (B) from what I experienced in them (you) (know) it didn't turn out the way I planned it the way that I would think that it would go (A) you thought it turned out pretty well (B) (but) (you) (know) (it) (was) (jury) (was) (unorganized) (and) it just wasn't organized enough for me I'm not used to it not being organized and I just assumed that it would have been (A) so it was (just) kind of a zoo and (the) (jurors) (just) (sort) (of) (someone) had to figure out what was going on (B) (That's) (about) (what) (it) (was) (A) (That's) (interesting) did it work out pretty well in the end did a couple of people (sort) (of) gradually (sort) (of) (assume) (sort) (of) a moderator role in the trial (or) (B) well they picked one person and then he (finally) moderated everything and made it turn out the way it should have (A) So it did end up working out pretty well (B) (it) (ended) (up) (working) (all) (A) The one thing I sometimes wonder about in civil cases is whether (especially) (sort) (of) (in) (maybe) product liability or medical malpractice where there's (sort) (of) a very technical decision to be made sometimes (B) (Yes) (A) it's not (just) a matter of did this guy rip off this guy and it's (just) a matter of interpreting a contract (it's) (sort) (of) (a) (matter) (of) sometimes getting into very technical issues and I wonder if the system works adequately in educating the jurors about whatever issue is under discussion (B) I don't think that they educate them enough to really know what's going on (A) in the case you were involved in you said it was (just) (sort) (of) a bank matter of some kind (So) (B) the bank was suing them because they went to get the trailer which was (seemingly) their property (It) (was) on his property (A) (so) (the) (deal) (was) (that) he had borrowed money from the bank to buy it and (he) hadn't made the payments (B) (So) (they) (came) (to) (get) (it) And then when they came to get it it was on the landlord's property and he wouldn't let them take it off (A) (so) (they) (were) (suing) (to) (get) (it) (back) (B) and it was a double wide so they'd already taken it apart So they left it there and then when they came back to get it a couple of days later it had rained and got all in it So they were suing him for the money and there's no way they could because it was the moving company

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(A) Greg I'm not familiar (I) (think) you guys in Indiana don't you have the death penalty (B) we do have the death penalty here It's not exercised very often but we do have it I believe it I can't even remember the last execution we had here actually personally I'm in favor of capital punishment I know there's a lot of problems with it but seems to me that some crimes are just so heinous that the person just I feel doesn't deserve to live doesn't deserve for the tax payers to spend however many thousands of dollars it costs a year to keep them in prison for life But I know there's a lot of problems with that they say if you put them on death row and execute them then ten years later you find out that he really didn't do it then that life was wasted but just seems like in some cases that it's a good policy (A) I tend to agree with you I've changed my views even within the last few years to be honest when I was an undergraduate I was a member of Amnesty International and (of) (course) at that time I thought (you) (know) that the eye for an eye was a stupid argument (But) (the) (more) now I live in downtown Dallas and (I) (I've) (seen) I've seen cases (on) in the news and all (where) (where) a (a) person who had murdered a person is back on the street and then commits another murder I think that maybe a good solution to capital punishment might be reserve it solely for repeat offenders of a crime like murder (B) that's a thought that I had never really had on that which seems pretty sensible (A) it seems sensible and failsafe (I) (don't) not completely failsafe but if a man's convicted of two murders there's a pretty good chance that something's wrong (I) (also) to tell you how liberal I have turned toward this or whatever side that is I've (kind) (of) chosen I believe it that big time drug importers like Noriega for example that these people need to be eliminated from society and I think the death penalty is the best choice for those people because really any kind of jail sentence for them is just another chance to create another power structure (B) you're there basically my views I guess they tend to be more economically oriented in that (you) (know) they come out with these figures that it costs fifty thousand taxpayer dollars a year to keep someone alive in jail when they're going to be there for life they're never going to be rehabilitated I don't believe that the prison system that we have today does much towards rehabilitation to begin with so to me I'm paying taxes twenty percent of my check or whatever to keep somebody alive who in my mind shouldn't be there in the first place and is never going to be a valuable or worthwhile part of society so I'm all in favor of it (A) (do) (you) are there cases where you think that the capital punishment shouldn't be sentenced (B) I really don't know on that question It just seems like for instance the Jeffrey Dahlmer case I don't really think that this person is going to ever be a worthwhile part of society I hope the guy never gets back out on the streets and in that case Wisconsin doesn't have a death penalty so he's going to be sentenced to life imprisonment and I think that he should not be allowed to live but then you're kind of playing God (A) (That's) (true) (B) which is never a good thing to do But cases where I think the death penalty should be withheld not really that I can think of I would be in favor of the death penalty in things like murders and like you said repeat murders or serial killers I don't really agree with the death penalty for people like Noriega and such as that (I) (think) (that) (they're) (operating) (on) (a) (more) I know that they're causing massive problems in society up here but I don't really think that it's in our power to take these people from a sovereign state and say you don't deserve to live (because) they're feeding our consumer needs (A) (Sure) I understand your point of course with Dahlmer now you realize that I think it's Ohio gets to try him next and they do have the death penalty so that was a curious case (I) (B) that is very curious (A) something is sort of nightmarish to say the least (B) (that's) (A) here in Texas (we) I think even last week they (they) use their capital punishment by lethal injection

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(B) so it was a combination of criminal and civil and (they) (had) most of the time we spent sitting around in the jury room (and) getting to know the other potential jurors and then it was always exciting when we got called to go because then we thought we might be able to do something else besides just sit in the jury room (A) did the judge hand down sentences or did you folks do that (B) the judge did I had a hard time getting seated on a jury (I) (kept) (getting) I'd be questioned for empaneling the jury and they kept dismissing me (Course) they don't have to give a reason but it's just (A) (No) (B) whether the prosecutor or the defense attorney feels like they want to get the best mix for their case so (A) (That) (B) they ask all kinds of wild questions (A) that's a science in itself (B) I kept getting called up for drunk driving questions and I think part of it was they didn't like the fact that I don't drink any more (A) (I) (see) Because you'd probably be too puritanical (and) (B) (that) (was) (A) () (B) probably (it) although in my case I might have been more sympathetic with the person who got caught (I) (don't) (know) (A) were the sentences that the judge handed out what you thought to be fair or (would) if you were deciding do you think that they would have been different (B) I was never there for any sentencing I finally got empaneled on one case on my next to the last day and we got into the jury room to decide the case and there was one guy on the jury who announced to everybody that he didn't need to deliberate because he'd already decided that the guy was not guilty and he would never vote for guilty So they appointed me jury foreman and I didn't think that going in without deliberating allowed us to reach a verdict so I told the judge that we were unable to reach a verdict because we couldn't get one member of the jury to deliberate So the whole thing had to be tried over again (A) (Wow) I bet that made him happy (B) it was funny (The) (I) (don't) (know) I didn't like not being able to deliberate I wanted to vote guilty for the guy and the other people were kind of mixed the guy had to go through the whole thing all over again Cost him a lot of money I'm sure (A) (how) (many) (members) (were) (on) (the) (jury) Was it a six or twelve member jury (B) it must have been six (A) That's kind of curious to me I didn't realize until the Wayne Kennedy Smith trial a few months ago that they had six member juries I thought that (you) (know) it was always twelve men tried and true so to speak But apparently for some crimes it's permissible to have six people sit in judgment I know (on) (a) getting to this unanimous thing whether a jury should be unanimous or not in a court martial case it doesn't require the jury to be unanimous It's a simple majority rules (B) (Well) (let's) (see) is it on capital crimes that they have to be unanimous (and) (A) Probably on capital (I) (don't) (know) (we) the two that I were on had to do with drugs and we were unanimous is acquitting the person even though we in our gut felt that the individuals were both guilty just because of various things the government really failed to prove its case and being fair to the person if the government doesn't prove its case no matter how you feel you have to go by what's offered as proof (and) (we) (had) (to) (acquit) (him) (in) (both) (cases) (B) it was too circumstantial (A) (it) (was) in some of the critical things like special investigations at one time in one of the cases had videotaped this person but something happened to the camera and the tape and all they could do was testify

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(A) That's interesting (B) (it's) (a) (A) What (type) (of) field of work are you in (B) I'm in the oil business (A) (in) (the) (oil) (business) (Okay) and you work in the office (around) (B) I work in the office so it's pretty safe environment (A) I work in the automotive air bag industry where we make the safety bags for the cars and we work around a lot of explosives (B) that sounds like (kind) (of) an important job to be straight on (A) (so) (that's) I'm all for it because (well) the type of environment I work in they're working with explosives and (so) they could blow up (the) (whole) they have safety features with each of the explosives (they) (use) but still it can be dangerous (B) (I) (agree) I think that under certain circumstances especially when you're working in high risk industries where you can really hurt other people (that) you need to have that kind of stuff (if) (it's) as long as it's not abused (random) as long as it's random and the individual's rights are protected I don't have that big a problem with it (A) do they fire them (or) (do) (they) (B) (this) (is) (it) this is where I start having (my) problems with my company I work for a private company and (and) the policy is something like (see) (if) (I) (can) (re-) (state) (this) (correctly) (now) If you turn yourself in as having a drug related problem (then) you're eligible for company counseling But (if) (they) (catch) (you) if you test positive for a controlled substance then you get fired (A) (wow) (B) So (you) (know) it's (sort) (of) one of these (little) catch twenty-twos (A) (that's) I think our policy is that (all) it's probably the same thing (I'm) (not) (really) (sure) (what) (the) (B) (really) it's one of those things that you read once and then if you're not worried about it you just forget about it (A) (That's) But I know they do have counseling and that they do give you a second chance but I'm not sure if if it's if you get caught or if you turn yourself in (B) our company's a little tougher on the second chance if they're going to give you the opportunity to turn yourself in then they ought to go out of the way I think a little bit more to help get you rehabilitated you know to get back at your job But when you're a private company the rules don't always apply (A) (do) (you) (think) (it) (limits) (B) it's hard for me to evaluate it because everybody I work around is in an office environment and (it's) (not) I guess I haven't run into anybody that's been a problem so (you) (know) I guess it works (much) (well) (shoot) like any lottery everybody's got an equal chance to get picked I'd rather have that than say this week the A -s and B -s are going to be in and next week C -s and D -s are going to come in (A) You could time it (just) I know one employee (I) (know) when I was working with he had alcohol on his breath and I'm not sure if our policy covers that or not That'd be just as dangerous (B) especially around equipment machinery and stuff (A) (That's) (true) (B) I've gone out and had a beer at lunch time but not to excess in any case (A) Do they give any limits on alcohol (or) (is) (it) (B) I don't remember to tell you the truth I don't think they do (they) (must) (gee) (whiz) That just shows you how much I've been paying attention because I really don't know I'll have to go into work tomorrow and ask you can take some of that testing a little bit too far there was a company in Houston they did an unannounced drug sweep of their company (it) (was) (an) (unannounced) (sweep) of (it) (was) not only drugs

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(B) I myself am not in favor of drug testing in the work place except in this very specific examples such as transportation workers as in air traffic controllers bus drivers (and) (that) (kind) (of) (thing) I don't really think that it's too many I think it's a severe invasion of somebody's privacy to say we're going to look at your urine and then decide whether you're worthy of working for us I really don't see that that's a very valid thing for a company to say and personally (I) don't think I would work for somebody if they were going to reject me on the basis of what's inside my body (A) (I) (guess) (I) (basically) (agree) (that) do you think it's okay for a company to reject somebody knowing that they'll take drugs suppose they found out some other way (B) (I) (think) the problem here is that a drug test does not necessarily imply that someone is taking drugs or not taking drugs There's too many cases where (it) (can) there can be false positive results (and) (that) (sort) (of) (thing) I don't think there's any definitive okay this person is taking drugs so we don't want him here (like) (I) (said) some industries (though) I think it'd be very necessary I wouldn't want any air traffic controllers high or anything like that when I'm flying in an airplane But I find it to be pretty offensive that it's such a big deal (if) (your) (employer's) (not) (going) (to) (trust) (you) (or) (it) I think it's a (whole) trust issue (I) (just) (can't) (see) (it) (A) But have you ever been in a situation where you were drug tested (or) (B) (or) (something) (pretty) (basic) (like) (that) (just) (to) (the) (fact) (that) I don't know that it is a company's business to regulate what it's employees are doing when they're not at work I mean during the eight hours (during) (the) (day) when they're supposed to be there I think they have every to say this is these behaviors are acceptable and these are not but when it enters into what they're doing when they're not at work I find that to be fairly offensive also (A) (like) (you) (say) if it's not a critical kind of job where someone could get hurt then really I mean the employer ought to be judging you on how well you do your work rather than on these other factors And if you are doing drugs and it's causing a problem then they'll notice it for other reasons (B) (That's) (exactly) (And) (also) (I) (just) (think) (it) (gets) (a) (lot) I'm a big supporter of personal freedoms and personal privacies and I think that it just moves down along a line that I really would find bad if most people went down that line into regulating employees' lives outside of work there's already talk of people we're not going to hire you if you smoke I can see how they can say in the work place you don't want them to smoke but when somebody leaves work I don't think that it's the employer's to regulate their life style at all (A) do you think it's should be illegal for an employer to do this (or) (B) I really think it should be except as I've mentioned twice now in the specified industries or jobs because there are certain things where it's just vital that a person is clear minded at all times And other than that I do not think it should be allowable I think it should be illegal for them to want to do that it's kind of the big brother syndrome (I) (just) anything like that just kind of scares me (A) I tend to view it even though I don't think I'd work for a company that did that I (sort) (of) want to defend an employer's rights in addition to an individual's rights but an employer really I think has the to hire someone on any basis they want to and if they say they don't want smokers I (sort) (of) feel like an employer should have the to decide whether they want to allow that (and) (I) (don't) (really)

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(A) and then did you have a main meal or did everyone just bring (it) (was) (just) pot luck (B) It was kind of pot luck everybody brought their specialties I guess you would say (A) show off a little bit (B) And of course my grandmother's food was as always gone first because she's such a great cook (A) Now how old is she (B) she's eighty-six (A) (goodness) (is) (she) (pretty) (B) Now (she) (does) she looks probably like she's in her early sixties (A) (wow) (B) and if she didn't have arthritis she'd get around better than me as a matter of fact (A) that's neat that she's in good health and at that age (B) My nickname for her is Honey Woman That's what I call her (A) (Really) (that) (sounds) (fun) I had a real challenge of planning a family reunion a few years ago and (there) (were) we sent out five hundred announcements because our family is quite large like your family there And so that was a real challenge and I was president of our family reunion for two years and I (wasn't) (very) (at) (that) (duty) (for) (two) (years) (in) (a) (row) (but) (I) found that advance planning was the key to success (B) also one thing that's helpful and I don't know if your family's spread out (or) (whatever) but all my family lives in the same county (so) (A) (that's) (wonderful) (though) (B) But it's (just) (kind) (of) like get on the telephone and it's so and such days from such and such date and everybody just shows up (A) that is helpful our family ranges from (goodness) Australia I have a brother lives in Australia to Boise Idaho and all kinds of places (B) I would say you're spread out then (A) (We) (are) (B) my immediate family my parents and my brothers and sisters (I) (guess) we're the ones that have the gypsy blood (or) (whatever) because my dad was in the Army and we're (we're) pretty strung out all over But since they've moved back to Carolina's we still are the only ones do not live in (A) (In) (B) (in) Yantsen County I live in Raleigh and then my parents live in Greenville and I have one brother and his wife live in Greenville and another brother that lives outside of Fayetteville So we're spread out but (A) (Boy) (B) everybody else is centralized in my home town Waynesboro (so) (A) (my) (gosh) (B) Nobody moves away except us (A) (They) (must) (really) (like) (it) (there) (B) I got out as soon as I graduated (Just) (like) this town is too small for me Good-bye (A) (you're) (ready) (to) (move) (on) (to) (bi-)

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(B) (So) (A) Have they stopped that practice now (B) (course) there's a tremendous number of (excuse) (me) refrigerators and freezers both commercial and residential utilizing freon twelve and of course the new cars (I) (guess) starting with nineteen ninety-three will not have freon twelve in their systems But there's the ton of after market machines and et cetera et (cetera) And that's got me very highly concerned that that's going to be quite a while before we can undo this Now that could spawn several good industries and help pull us out of this recession but you got to have people that can (you) (know) earn a salary to pay for this conversion so I see us in somewhat of a catch twenty-two unless the banks or industry and the government go together and come up with a way to have us as a part of the unemployed society be able to be gainfully employed again converting all this freon twelve stuff into the new nonpolluting compound Because (as) (I) (say) (there's) (a) (tremen-) how many families own a refrigerator and then do (you) (know) that number how many a freezer separate from and how many people especially here in Texas own cars and trucks with air conditioning there are people that have a thriving business that do nothing but heating and air conditioning on automobiles and trucks and the only reason I didn't get into that more when I had my little business was because most of your air conditioning on vehicles tend to be greasy and dirty to the N-th degree and so that's why I stayed more towards and that's a polluting type deal too is the excessive petroleum products in your engine bay (and) (so) (forth) and the dirt and grit and those two mixed together with water really make a mess

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(A) (Okay) (Bill) (B) (Yes) (A) (Okay) Bill have you done much camping (B) yes I'm a scoutmaster in Boy Scouts And I camp at least one weekend and during the summer we camp two or three weeks a year (A) (that) (sounds) (good) (B) I'd say I camp quite a bit (A) (you) (do) (do) (you) (have) (a) (lot) (mountains) you don't have mountains in Texas do you Where do you find places to camp (B) we do a lot of canoeing when we go camping and we also carry all our equipment with us and so we canoe down the river and then sleep on the river on one of the sand bars and then get up the next morning cook our breakfast and go down the river again (A) (my) (word) that sounds adventuresome (B) How about yourself (A) I've done (I) (would) (say) quite a bit of camping mostly with my husband and I we have five children and so we have found that camping with the little ones isn't as enjoyable as just when we go ourselves So we've tried to get out once a year and go on a anniversary camp out and we have gone up into the mountains and not necessarily roughed it but we have just found it just real enjoyable to be alone up in the mountains (B) (that's) (good) (A) And then our boys are old enough now they're twelve and eleven (and) (so) they're involved in the scouting (and) (they) (do) (a) (lot) (of) (camping) (with) (the) (scouts) and last time our one twelve year old went to the scout camp for a week (and) so this year they'll both be going and (so) that's been real enjoyable for them (B) (Great) what kind of camping do they like best Do they like it where they have tents and do they cook on stoves (A) (yes) (they've) (no) (actually) I remember they have taken the heavy cast iron dutch ovens and done their cooking there over the fire and I don't think they've taken the stoves last year they camped in tents and this year I believe they will be in tents also (B) Course I imagine it gets cold in parts of Utah It doesn't get very cold in Texas so lots of times we don't even take tents (A) (is) (that) (B) We just use trail tarps (A) and what does that consist of (B) it's just a piece of material that has a lot of places where you can tie off to it and make it into a tent (like) (a) they're very light weight and we use them when we go backpacking So we go backpacking fifteen or twenty miles then they're not very heavy so you carry them with you and they'll keep you dry (or) (whatever) (A) (Yes) when we go camping here we have to take our big huge heavy sleeping bags and lots of tents and I like to sleep on the air matresses (I'm) (not) my bones are getting so old so I like to sleep on the matresses so have you had any encounters with wild animals or anything like that (B) yes in fact last month we went camping we saw a lot of deer in the morning and the afternoon (A) (My) (word) (B) just deer everywhere (A) (Gee) (B) but even though it wasn't hunting season and we were with Boy Scouts so of course we don't want to go hunting But we got to see a lot of deer out and about and (there's) (of) (course) we see smaller animals all the time and one thing that is a big concern in the evening at night is make sure that all the food's put away and so forth because we have armadillos Do you know what armadillo is (A) they're covered with a heavy armor type stuff (B) And possums and raccoons (A) (My) (word) (B) And we have those creatures down here that they like to go hunting for a midnight snack And so that can be a problem if you don't put all your equipment away (A) But they won't necessarily attack a human or bite you or anything (B) They will if you attack them But most time they run away from you if they see you're up but they don't have any problem walking by you if you're asleep (A) (my) (word) that sounds a little less fierce than bears (we) (want) (to)

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(A) (Okay) (should) (begin) (B) (Okay) (All) (A) I can begin this (basically) I work for Honeywell in Minneapolis and the benefit program we have (here) is really quite good I'm pretty pleased with it They cover just about everything vision dental medical you name it and for me this is the first job I've had where they've covered that much so I'm pretty satisfied myself what's your situation (B) I work for the University of New Hampshire and our benefits package isn't quite as good in some ways overall I'm satisfied with it We don't have the vision care we do have the health care and (the) (or) (the) dental (A) Are you a professor there (B) No I'm on the professional administrative and technical staff and effectively I run the telephone switch at the University of New Hampshire (A) (I) (see) (okay) (B) (the) (benefits) probably the main thing I like (about) (the) (benefits) is the very generous vacation (time) and sick time (A) (no) (doubt) (B) We get fifteen days a year sick time and from the day one (when) (you) (start) (work) you get twenty-four days a year time off (A) (that's) (good) that's one of the things (I) (guess) I would change about Honeywell (is) I used to work with the Army Research Institute and being a government organization you got quite a few holidays off But here you don't get that You maybe get two or three a year (So) (it's) (really) unless you have some vacation time or (some) sick leave (or) (whatever) you (kind) (of) have to finagle your way around to get that time (So) that's kind of a drawback (I) (think) (But) (I) (don't) (know) What do you consider most important (you) (think) in terms of the different benefits (B) (I) (think) the health care of course is an important and has to be the single most important benefit and the rates that we keep paying seem to keep increasing I'm a little disturbed about that but I think that's a national trend and I don't know what the solution is to it It's bigger than just the benefits part (A) I don't know if you saw on TWENTY TWENTY the other night they basically reviewed Oregon's plan The Oregon Plan toward nationalizing health care (and) (that) (kind) (of) (thing) It's kind of an interesting plan It's (kind) (of) cold though They've essentially made up a list of all the different medical maladies that you can have and then basically made a cutoff about six hundred and eighty-seven and below will not be covered by subsidized health care and the ones above would (B) But it pays a substantial amount the examinations and checkups or every six months are free (A) (Great) (B) and it covers the bulk of the dental expenses (A) let me interrupt is that the same for both professors and also staff and administration is that generally across the board do you think (or) (B) yes it is The benefits plan is different for what we call operating staff which are considered to be clerical personnel accountants things like that as opposed to what they call the P A T staff which I belong to but (the) (main) I think the health and all that and the dental is the same for everybody and the retirement plan But the main difference is in the way sick time is accrued and vacation time is accrued (A) (okay) (B) for the operating staff it's (it's) based on how long they've worked there That determines how much vacation time they get (A) I'm kind of interested because actually that's the route I'd like to take when I finally get my degree is to teach in a university I'm a doctoral student in Florida now (but) (that's) (interesting) That's one of the things I'd like to think about is (in) what kind of benefits they would cover and things like that (B) College programs belong to this T I A A C R E F retirement fund (A) (is) (that) (B) (and) (in) (the) (case) (of) (the) (University) (of) (New) (Hampshire)

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(A) Okay Karen you're first (B) Okay I was just going to say I think one of the biggest thing for me is room for advancement not to get like in a dead end job And plus for me it's medical and benefits and dental (A) (Okay) (B) They're also important (A) I guess one of the differences I see is working for a university there is room for advancement but not so much so in quite a highly unionized environment and then also in the administrative association so there is a progressive path but not being in say the commercial sector the motivation isn't there for a lot of people really (B) Are they pretty much train for a specific job and that what I hired for and then just very little variation from that (A) (somewhat) (that) but then also there just isn't the ability to in one sense have a broader scope for rewarding people for their performances so that's in our situation where we are dealing with an institution it's a little more difficult to recognize an individual's performance and I suppose that's maybe a disadvantage of being in a larger institution perhaps somewhat even with the business But I agree the medical benefits and those kinds of things are one of the big pluses of working for a large organization and also the security aspect for long term employment (B) that's interesting though Because I don't know if that's necessarily the case anymore (I) (use) (to) (think) (that) (after) (you) (work) you mean job security (A) (Job) (security) (yes) (B) that use to be I think a couple of years ago but I don't know if it is so much anymore In fact we just had a lay off in what November I guess But (it) (wasn't) (necessarily) some people had been there a long time (A) we are seeing that here as well in some of the large oil companies There has been massive lay offs I think it's probably a major distinction between institutions and the corporate world in institutions are slower to react both on the growth side and then also on the reduction side where the businesses we need to cut back that's what we do (B) (No) (doubt) (A) But (and) institutionally like here at the university if there is a cut back it's not where it's needed it's where it's most expedient (which) (B) (Expedient) (that's) (exactly) (it) where it cuts back the most (A) in one sense for us it's where it makes the least noise which means it's often the lowest support type roles (we) (B) (I) (think) that's one of the things too You get too many management people (A) (It's) (very) (easy) (B) and it's very easy for them to say this is the best way when they really aren't aware of what (all) it took to get the work done And then they wonder why it doesn't get done in the same amount of time those people aren't there anymore (A) Because it's support people that are providing the speed for it (B) but what else do you think is important (A) (the) that's maybe the majority of the importance (I) (guess) because my perspective is from an institution there is not much incentive for innovativeness because the limitation for reward is very severe but if you're in the corporate world I think there is considerable motivation for (I) (guess) innovation although (you) (know) the more complex your structure the less difficult it is to (kind) (of) carry some things through but (I) (think) it's a long term type of process where in a small organization things can happen much more quickly and so you can see the reward of the efforts (B) (I) (think) (probably) (in) (a) (small) (I) (was) (going) (to) (say) it's more personal for one thing You probably have a better team cooperation or team playing atmosphere Probably where as in a bigger corporation (I) (think) you're just a number (A) You end up being your own person and if you do your job fine and if somebody else is messing it up then that's their problem (and) (you) (really) (B) whereas in a smaller (I) (think) you would be more willing to either help that person or help it get accomplished (A) It becomes the organization instead of person being a part of the individual themselves

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(A) how do you feel about trial by jury (B) I feel very uncomfortable with trials by juries recently (A) In what way (B) In that it seems to me that they are swayed more by emotion than by evidence that's presented I have very little regard for the law presently practiced (A) (do) (you) (feel) (they) (are) (swayed) (more) (toward) are you talking about with criminal or civil suits (B) I was thinking primarily criminal cases (A) do you think that the stereotypical bleeding heart juries (B) Yes (A) where they feel sorry (B) That's a concern of mine I would feel more comfortable in many cases I think with judges doing the sentencing (A) (the) (only) (thing) (that) (really) (bothers) (me) (about) (that) (is) (I) (think) (that) (a) (judge) (can) (be) I like the idea of juries of your peers in that you get personally more than one person making a decision And second of all you get a wide variety of background (so) (that) (B) my question I guess are they really your peers (A) I'd agree with that That's definitely a problem (B) too often I think they are not and when you are selecting a jury and you are doing it partially if not entirely on the basis of which color representation you have is a matter of concern to me too I think that in such cases they are not really looking for unbiased people but rather for biased now I happen to know several judges and there is one that I would feel uncomfortable but has doing sentencing without the jury I would feel a little bit uneasy about but the other two I feel would give either the plaintiff or for the defendant the the full benefit of the law And (I) (guess) that's what I am concerned with (A) (I) (guess) I definitely agree with you but (the) what I don't like about the jury doing the sentencing in that I think it becomes a lot less the same crime gets unequal sentences (B) (This) (is) (very) (true) (A) I think there is more of an ability (you) (know) (you) (know) for selecting two different juries that would most of the time come up with the same idea versus whether he is guilty or innocent but I think there would be a large variation in trying to gage the severity of the crime and an appropriate punishment and have that measure stick across the board (B) and you do see such uneven sentencing evidence of it in the newspapers and such where it would appear the crimes were very similar but one individual got twenty-five years and the other one was sentenced to life (So) (A) Of course a lot of that's also the ability of the defendant to get a good lawyer (B) (Isn't) (that) (the) (truth) There are times when goodness (my) (mind) (has) (gone) (blank) (it's) Othello You know where he says kill all the lawyers Every now and then one is tempted (to) see what (A) (I) (agree) (B) But it's taken me a long time to understand that lawyers are concerned with the law and not with justice as we think of as (as) novices tend to think that attorneys care about justice (A) (I) (agree) (with) (it) They will admit to you that they don't have the benefit of being able of allowing themselves to believe their clients that are guilty it's more of the game plan of how do they convince the judge or jury through argument (B) And (A) (That) (the) (B) they are very effective too (even) I have been involved just slightly in a case where I know the person is guilty but his attorneys gotten him off the city has dropped their charges against him because the attorney has presented enough evidence of doubt to convince the judge (So) (I) (don't) (know) (A) this is a little bit of the subject but one thing that I really dislike also that's new is that I have heard that there are federal sentences

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(A) Jackie on taxes (I) (guess) I would have to say that my opinion is that I do think American's are paying too much in taxes what's your feeling about that (B) I agree I think taxes are high (A) where you live do you have a state income tax and a sales tax both (B) yes (A) In New Hampshire we have (no) what we call broad base taxes No income tax and no sales tax we tax business eight percent (businesses) (are) (taxed) (eight) (percent) and we have what we call the five B s for our taxes Booze butts cigarettes beds hotel room tax bellies a meal tax and bets gambling So we do have a very low tax rate but combined with the federal income tax I think that American's generally do pay too much in taxes (and) (B) I agree and I think it's about the time of the year when you just start getting (if) (you) (do) (get) money back from jobs I'm still a student so I only work part time so I get a check back (so) (A) (that's) (nice) (B) from taxes (but) (A) (nice) (to) (get) (a) (refund) (B) (It) (is) (but) it's not much (So) (A) Do you think that for whatever taxes we do pay that we are getting value for it (B) No (A) my opinion of taxes is that we just send money to Washington or to the state and they say they are going to send some back it's like (one) (arm) (giving) (the) (other) (a) (transfusion) (You) (know) (what) (I) (mean) (it) (really) (I) (should) (say) one arm giving another arm a transfusion through a leaky tube (because) (B) (There) (you) (go) (A) because there's an old saying in amongst taxes and politicians that there's a fly paper effect and that is that money tends to stick where it lands first and when you send it to Washington or send it to your state capitol a lot of it stays there and not that much comes back to you (B) (I) (don't) (know) (I) don't seem like they are doing much with it there's plans there and now that they are voting and people getting into drug and that stuff They have nice plans but they don't always work and then they try to raise taxes more and I don't what happens with all the money because if their plans don't work but taxes get raise (so) (I) (don't) (know) I'm not really into politics (A) (That) (it) (B) I don't really understand it (but) (it's) (just) (A) it does seem that the more taxes that are raised the more the politicians spend it's almost like they will spend as much as they're allowed to collect there is an interesting proposal that's been going around now for a few years of having a flat tax ten percent or thirteen percent There would be no figuring (you) (would) (take) (your) (income) (tax) (you) (would) (have) (a) (certain) (amount) you would take you total salary those who made under a certain amount wouldn't owe any taxes and then there would be a set amount for however many (you) (know) dependent you have (and) (you) (would) (just) (pay) (a) (flat) (tax) No exemptions no deductions or anything else (you) (know) (after) (you) (figure) (up) (who's) (in) (your) (family) And that would eliminate a lot of the bureaucracy in the I R S and it would eliminate all these loop holes that the fat cats get away with (B) The could be nice (A) I'd like to see something like that (I) (think) (it) (would) (be) (fairer) (and) it would put (you) (know) a lot of the tax attorneys our of business and I am sure they will fight it tooth and nail but I really think a flat tax would be a lot fairer for all Americans it doesn't seem that somebody that makes twenty-five or thirty thousand dollars pays four or five thousand dollars in taxes while somebody that makes two hundred and fifty thousand dollars might pay nothing in taxes (It) (doesn't) (seem) (fair) (to) (me) (B) (it) (isn't) there is not much out there that is fair that's for sure I will agree to that (A) I think your taxes in Wisconsin are pretty high if I am not mistaken aren't they (I) (mean) (for) (your) (state) do you know what your state income tax rate is (B) no (A) Twenty percent (B) I have no idea (I) (just) My dad does it all for me (A) you just pay it (B) (I) (use) (A) you're like my daughter who is in college down in Massachusetts and she works as a waitress and she is attending college full time also and she sends her taxes to me and I figure them up She really has no idea She gets a refund check and

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(B) I think you pretty much have to listen to all news station to get any news at all (A) Do you think that T V is pretty accurate sometimes do you think it gets pretty commercialized (or) (B) what I really don't like about T V especially local news as compared to national news is just it seems like everything is very spoon feed and it's more like the news shows is now an entertainment show like a sitcom (or) (like) (the) (news) because they would always have the wonderful investigative reports is you're kids bus driver smoking crack on the way to school (A) it's they mainly go with popular topics just not basic news (B) also I have the observation with the press that any stories that I had any first hand knowledge of that I see in the press which only happened ten times in my life first thing for (you) (know) anything that actually had more than just a blurb about it the press has managed to just mess up some aspect of the story it's something wrong (A) (Going) looks like they're going more for ratings than for actual news I think probably the best source of just plain journalism would be newspapers (they) (typically) (have) (a) (better) I am from a small town too here in Texas that (like) local news is (really) who grew the biggest tomato (and) (B) (the) (farm) (report) (A) (farm) (report) and oil reports That's pretty sad or who killed who (B) Also I have found that newspapers probably aren't as bad as television Read the story and just found it so incredibly watered down (and) (A) (in) (Dallas) I don't know if you heard about the killing where the guy drove into Luby's (and) (the) (story) (was) (B) Was that he started shooting people in this cafeteria (or) (something) (A) (And) the news covered it hours after it happened and they were taping people who were crying (who) (had) (everything) (and) then (like) three days later this local news station was using as as their promo to promote themselves (I) (just) (thought) that's (kind) (of) cold (B) I have seen that happen lots of times Channel X gives you the best coverage we were on the scene with our team players (and) (A) (and) (it) (was) (just) they were showing these dead people and they were showing people crying just taking advantage (of) (B) They are trying to get the most emotional response (for) (A) it didn't seem like there was much coverage of the story but just the play on people's emotions (It's) (just) (gotten) (so) somewhere it's lost a lot of the quality that they use to have like in Walter Cronkite (that) (if) and everything (B) I've (pretty) (much) stopped watching local news totally even the national news I (just) find it to be very watered down (very) (A) What did you think of the coverage of the war (B) I found it very one sided (A) (Did) (you) (B) it (just) seemed to lack any sort of debate not saying that we actually should have been there or shouldn't have been there (but) (it) (just) (seemed) (like) (A) They kept just showing how great we were doing (and) (it) (never) (really) (showed) (what) (actually)

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(A) (But) it's a really good dog (I) (don't) (know) they (seem) (I) (mean) listen better or something Is your cat a purebred (B) (No) No it's just an accident From my son's friend down the street They're (they're) cat was an outside cat and just end up with some kittens (and) (so) (A) Would you ever want a dog in the family (B) I would we had a dog that was a mix between an Alaska Malamute and a Labrador and (I) (should) (say) (a) (pup) (and) he was just too big for our kids when we got him and when we moved into our house that was the first thing we wanted to get (you) (know) was a pet and it was a dog that we gotten (and) (he) (was) (just) (too) (big) the kids couldn't handle him and I was still going to school and my wife was working and I was working and so we just didn't have time to really train him (so) (you) (know) (he) (was) (too) (big) (for) (the) (kids) (to) (handle) so he was just tied up to a post so we gave him to (I) (don't) (know) (if) (you've) (there) (is) a place out here called Shorties Lane (out) (here) in Harrisville (and) (they) (have) (I) (guess) it's kind of an animal shelter but he just takes a few the animals in and some he destroys and some he keeps So we took him up there and he ended up keeping him cause he has had him for six or seven years we've saw him just about a year ago and I thought (boy) that sure looks like that pup we gave away and so we asked him about it one day and he said he's been the best dog I've ever had in my life (A) (Wow) (B) just goes everywhere with him he would have been a (great) great dog (A) He just needed a lot of time

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(A) in most States as long as you aren't a convicted felon or on probation or other obvious things (like) (that) and (I) (know) (that) in a lot of states you could be just (like) released from a mental hospital the day before be obviously insane (you) (know) but have your legal to get a gun (B) (I) (didn't) (know) (that) that's pretty scary (So) (now) do they want us to say where we feel about it in rating it one to ten (A) I'd (probably) say about a five (B) That's where I would (probably) be (A) Seems like it's a good safe number to pick (B) I don't (really) know how they can (really) enforce the laws any better because I (do) think that some people need them (like) for protection (and) (stuff) and I can understand them wanting to have them but then again (it's) (just) (like) all those nuts out there (A) (no-) (if) (you) (are) looking at country where they do have a lot more gun control like England and places (like) (that) the amount of violent crime has decreased (by) (so) (much) (B) (It) (has) (Because) (then) (A) (the) (in) (comparing) per capita murders are incredibly lower than the United States the problem (though) since the United States had this (pretty) (much) unrestricted flow of guns going for so long (that) (I) (think) if you were introduced any controls it would (probably) take a long while for them to take effect (just) because there is a glut of guns out there already (so) it's (really) (kind) (of) a complex problem (B) is the crime that bad there in Atlanta (A) (I'm) (not) (really) (sure) (how) (bad) (it) (is) I've not (really) had that many problems with it but apparently we were ranked pretty high up (B) (I) (know) (Dallas) (is) (A) (I) (think) (in) (the) (te-) I think we have been ranked in one of the top three for murders in the last few years (B) I don't know if Dallas is in the top three (but) Do you own a gun (A) No I've thought about getting one If I get one I think (I) (will) (probably) (get) (something) I probably wouldn't get a hand gun I would probably get a shotgun Just for protecting myself from burglar type thing I do kind of live in the downtown area and shotguns are really good because they're somebody is not going to break in steal it and use it to mug someone (B) (That's) (true) (A) (and) (you) I just don't understand these people like when they decide they're going to buy a gun to protect themselves They go out and buy a three fifty seven magnum (which) (is) (going) (to) (shoot) (through) they are probably going to miss the person and they're going to shoot through five wall and hit someone a shotgun just really struck me as being a real good defensive weapon You can sort of point it somewhere in the direction of whoever You pretty much stop them And (you) (don't) then the actual shot doesn't go that far a wall will stop it pretty much (B) now when I first moved to Dallas I moved up here by myself and my Dad gave me a gun but I never did go out and practice (with) (it) enough to feel comfortable with it so I finally ended up giving it back to him I said I don't want it I don't want to be responsible for it because if you're not going to teach me how to do it and if I am not going to be responsible enough to go out and learn I don't need it (A) that really does scare me People that have guns because if you ever get in the situation where you are not prepared to shoot but you pick up the gun and point it at the person that person rushes you (B) And they get it from you (A) And you're pretty much dead Because you've just told the person that you're about to kill them then (B) (Set) (them) (off) (A) (and) you basically made it clear to the person you know unless that you are a real danger to them and then if they manage to get the gun from you their first reaction is going to you know stop you (B) that's why I ended up giving it back to him (I) (thought) (I) (don't) (want) (it) (you) (know) (if) (I) (don't) (really) (know) (how) (to) (use) (it) and I just didn't want the responsibility So did you hear about that Killeen massacre or whatever (A) did it happen at a cafeteria or something (B) That kind of it just makes you wonder how people get guns I would be scared selling guns to people

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(B) And they were recycled cardboard They were eight and a half by eleven and you set it by your desk and as you got rid of a piece of paper you stuck it in there and when it filled up you called facilities whoever to come pick it up and they brought you another box So not only is it I think more people would take advantage of it and use it I think you save a lot of the cleaning service's time and effort and money that we are paying for them to empty the trash cans and combine it and bundle it and things like that now when it could all be done in one step kind of type thing (A) (I) (see) (B) (So) (A) I was going to say cause I know I have here a trash can for trash and (a) (trash) (can) for paper on it (and) (if) (B) (If) (A) if (I) (have) (a) (if) (I) (I) printed up something that I don't need it just chunk it in the in the paper (B) but somebody still has to collect all that (A) (That's) (true) (B) and bundle it together and whereas if you had a box that pretty soon it got full you close the box it's already bundled it's (already) done for you (A) (Certainly) (that's) (a) (good) (idea) (B) So you're saving a lot of time and effort I just need to put it on paper and (I) (guess) recommended it to somebody and see if they thinks it's feasible So what else do they do in the Dallas area (A) as far as T I is concerned I'm not sure and I have heard in residential situations I live in a dorm (and) (I) (have) (heard) (in) (residential) (situations) like in Plano that they are doing stuff like having recycle picked up where I guess the sanitation department as part of their responsibility picks up the recycled items as well the plastics and the paper and aluminum and (the) (only) (responsibility) (of) (the) patron is to separate them and then the I guess the department takes them and does what they do with them and it doesn't cost the patron anything Doesn't really cost the department (B) (Anything) (extra) (A) they don't pay for the recycled items (B) That sounds good (There's) I've been wanting to put like two of three bins out my garage door where from the kitchen where you can throw cans in one or the glass in the other or the even there are areas that can recycle the tin cans (like) (your)

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(A) Okay Frank what type of budget do you or your family have (B) (I) (don't) (know) (that) (we) (really) (have) (a) (budget) (I) (have) (a) (set) (amount) (that) (I) (save) (well) (actually) (there) (is) (a) (way) (budget) (our) (money) (apparently) (The) my wife gets so much to do shopping with every couple of weeks and we allot each of us so much money per week for our personal stuff gas and things like that and besides that (you) (know) I have a set amount that I save every month (A) That's sounds like probably a tighter controlled budget than what I have I am single (so) (I) (guess) I don't know if that's an excuse for not having a tight budget (but) (I) (basically) (B) Really don't need to (A) (I) (don't) (need) (to) I am the only that I have to keep track of so it makes it a little bit easier (B) (That's) (A) and also (you) (know) I try to save a certain amount each month as well and I try to have an idea of what my expenses are and I am pretty consistent from month to month and whenever that changes I am pretty well aware of it without actually having to maintain a budget for it (B) (I) (found) (that) (things) (as) (I) (have) (gotten) (older) I am in my fifties now but before we use to have a very strict budget I had four kids and we planned out how much we were going to spend for food and how much for this and for that Kind of anticipate how much things were going to be I guess one interesting aspect of the budgeting I do now is that I (kind) (of) fence off areas of my check book For instance there are certain things that I know come up every so often Every six months I have to pay car insurance every six months I have to pay my taxes (So) I take a set amount I've got a money market account that I do a lot of saving in and I also have got a checking account besides that but what I do on my money market account my taxes for instance which amount to an average of two hundred and twenty dollars a month I will just take two hundred and twenty out and I put it in parenthesis I take it out of the line total and put it in parenthesis in there and let it build up Every month I add two hundred and twenty dollars to it Then when the tax bill comes in I've got that much set aside And I guess that's a way of budgeting (A) (That's) I guess I kind of do a similar thing More medium or longer range I just have (a) (maybe) a targeted amount that I will save for (I) (am) probably within a year I would like to buy a new car (So) I (kind) (of) have an amount in my mind and I am making every effort to put a little bit away and increase the amount that I need for a down payment (or) (whatever) (B) cars are definitely something that you have to figure into your budget Not only for buying them but for keeping them on the road too we've got two cars My wife has a car and I like to drive pick up truck So we are on a schedule where I try every three or four years to buy a new one And I am constantly making car payments but I figure that's got to be the story of my life (is) (making) (car) (payments) So I get one paid for and (actually) (I) (am) (saving) (up) (for) (another) (one) (besides) (so) (you) (know) it's (kind) (of) a never ending thing but you try to schedule those things so that you're not paying for two at the same time (I) (guess) (is) (what) (I) (am) (saying) (A) Have you thought about leasing (B) I have thought about it (but) (leasing) (wouldn't) I don't use it for my business (A) (I) (see) (B) My wife uses hers (just) for pleasure and I use mine (just) to go back and forth to work which is only ten miles away (so) (A) But if you are rolling it over every three years it might be advantageous to do that (B) (I) (guess) (A) typically if you purchase your own car you tend to make the best returns after you pay it off Of course the longer you keep it beyond that point the more profitable it is to own it yourself (B) you're I have been know to keep trucks or cars for ten or twelve years but I find that after about four years they (kind) (of) start going down hill and you got to put (put) stuff in them (A) (That's) mine's seven years old and I think last year that was a rough year for it I had a number of expenses But I am hoping that most of them were just kind of (the) as you get to a certain number of miles you have to get everything replaced brakes shocks and all that So I just went through that whole set last year I hope that I only have a slow period before I do that again (B) Those things can really upset your budget when they come in it's nice to have a little bit set aside for the unexpected (shall) (we) say So that it doesn't kill you all in one month (A) What line of work are you in

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(A) (Okay) (B) (All) (A) What's your view (What's) (your) (view) (B) I have a hard time thinking that they can control guns Personally (A) (that's) (true) even if they give it a shot it's still going to be black market all over the place (B) (That's) (That's) (A) (I) (don't) (know) Coming from Texas (you're) (probably) I don't know I shouldn't make stereo types but gun control is probably frowned on quite a bit down there I would think (B) It is but I'm not really from Texas I just live down here now (I've) (A) you're just live down there (B) I've lived down here a couple years I'm originally from Colorado but there's a lot of hunters here (A) (I) (know) (how) (you) (feel) I grew up in Nebraska and we always use to go out and hunt all the time and (man) There's no way I would ever go for a total ban on all weapons (That's) (just) (I) (don't) (know) (B) I think it's ridiculous (A) It doesn't sit with me very well (I) (don't) (know) (anymore) I keep a thirty-eight in my truck (B) (Really) (A) (I) (just) (about) (all) I live in Minneapolis and (I) (I) (live) in Florida but I am staying in Minneapolis for a year and both areas are pretty crime ridden now and (it's) (just) you never know who is out there it's just for self protection purposes and then of course there's the hunting issue (so) (B) (Sure) (A) (that's) (good) What do you do Jeff (B) I'm in program control for a company up here (A) (All) (B) We do schedules for programs (schedule) (programs) What do you do (A) I'm researcher of Honeywell up here (B) (okay) (A) (You) (guys) do you get much of a chance to hunt (or) (anything) (or) (B) I haven't had a chance to do any hunting since I've been down here I don't own a shotgun but I'd like to go bird hunting (A) that's something I miss quite a bit (B) when I was in Colorado we went deer and elk hunting (you) (know) quite a bit (but) (A) (All) my brother was a guide for bear and elk hunts out in Idaho for a while and really enjoyed it quite a bit but I don't know I guess that what the scale now is it's zero for a complete (B) One for a total ban (A) (That's) (B) (and) (A) I guess I am about eight or nine (B) I agree with you there (A) no doubt about it (but) (B) if they can anyway get it keep criminals from having guns which they can't you know (I'm) (not) (A) (if) (there's) (B) (for) (it) (A) (if) (there's) (a) (way) (to) (limited) (it) (to) (people) (that) (I) (don't) (know) (that) (they) I guess they passed a couple of laws (a) (here) (while) (back) in some states in terms of a waiting period where you go to buy a hand gun (and) (then) (they) (actually) I know it's this way in Florida They have a waiting period where you buy one and that's a week and then they check you out and make sure you don't have a record (and) (things) (like) (that) I think that's a pretty good idea (and) (that's) (I) (don't) (know) (that's) (not) (a) (bad) (idea) but then again you can always get around that You could go through the black market like you say you always be able to get around but (B) (Sure) (A) (it's) (one) (of) (things) (but) (I) (don't) (know) (I) (guess) some forms of guns should (probably) be controlled (just) (like) I'm not (real) sure why anybody would need a full automatic weapon (B) (I) (don't) (either) (A) (I'm) (just) (not) I think those have been pretty much banned altogether (anyway) (B) (I) (A) (There) (B) fully auto but even a semiautomatic (I) (guess) (that's) (A) It kind of takes the sport out of hunting (it's) (like) what can you do with that that you can't do in a self protection situation with (like) a seven or a twenty shot twelve (B) (Sure) (A) you might do the same thing (And) (so) (it's) (like) (I) (don't) (know) (It) (does) (It) (takes) (the) (sport) (out) (of) (it) For me I would much rather have a bow anytime (B) (really) (A) I like bows I have done some bow hunting and I get into it and I think it's more of a challenge But I don't know I guess it keeps the shell makers in business (B) (Sure) (A) (But) (I) (don't) (know) that's about where I stand (B) Me too (A) (You) (B) I am about the same way (A) And have you eaten yet (or) (whatever) Is it seven o'clock there (B) it's about seven fifteen (A) You guys central (B) How is the weather up there (A) it's not too good It's kind of rainy (B) (Is) (it) (A) Around this time of year you expect it up here to get down to about (I) (don't) (know) ten or twenty degrees and it's been up around forty So people are whining about the rain and stuff but not too bad about the temperature Ice is starting to melt and stuff like that (so) I am just up here for the year and it's kind of shocking

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(A) (I-) (B) (so) I can read a certain business or topics (A) is it (is) (it) the A P news wire or is it something that is a little bit different from that (B) it's similar to that but it's DOW JONES which is the WALL STREET JOURNALS news wire (A) (okay) (So) that's interesting (Okay) I had access in the past to the A P news wire and I thought that was a pretty good way to get news I've never used the DOW JONES news wire but it do you read any news magazines or anything like that for sort of a broader more long term analytical sort of approach (B) actually not I do follow I don't know how to describe it so I'll say a religious newspaper which talks about issues that are relevant to me in a more broad sense It's a weekly but not like BUSINESS WEEK or NEWS WEEK or one of those kinds of things I'd like to say however that I'm overwhelmingly disappointed with the media in general except for the raw news wires (A) In what way in sort of quality or sort of an orientation in terms of view point or the way the news is presented or whatever (B) I think that it has to do with (I) (personally) (think) I have a problem with their viewpoint (and) (I) (personally) (think) (that) (ther-) (A) you won't offend me So go ahead and say (B) that there's a strong (bia-) (there's) (a) (strong) bias in the media (A) (Like) (a) (liberal) (type) (of) (bias) (B) (Absolutely) after all who writes People who are journalist who are trained to write and that's a liberal field at least from academia and the other thing that I always notice is that whenever they write about something that I'm an expert in I find their descriptions to be wrong (and) (it) (A) they generally make mistake on anything technical at least (B) That's even if it's not technical If it's some social thing or whatever It doesn't matter If I am an expert in it they usually make mistakes which makes me think I'm not expert in it They're telling me lies (A) by mistakes do you mean just like honest mistakes or do you think they are deliberate sorts of things (B) I think both by deliberate I mean mistakes of omission or biased toward (a) (particular) (view) (point) a particular liberal view point that they have to give you an example we will go out of the printing media I know of cases where we have one television media where they will show clippings from one event and describe another event but with the attempt to give you the impression that what they're talking about is the same thing they are showing you Which is sort of like a deliberate bias (A) (That's) (disturbing) (B) which is rather disturbing he does that (A) I haven't really noticed them doing that but (whatever) again I don't watch T V news that much now If I had access to C N N I would watch T V news more (you) (know) but I don't usually (B) I don't have access either Although I did at one time (and) (it) (was) (I) (did) during the Gulf War and it was addictive (A) did you think that (well) the Gulf War coverage would be (kind) (of) an abnormality (I) (just) (wonde-) (I) (guess) I would be curious to know what you thought as to how C N N T V news compared to the three networks whether you thought it was more of a biased (or) (whatever) but I guess you wouldn't (You) (probably) if you just watched it during the Gulf War that probably wouldn't tell you much (B) during that small sample I would think that everyone was just about the same except the three networks radio television programming So if at a particular time you wanted to get the latest and greatest news you could do that by turning on C N N and you

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(A) (Okay) Eric are you married and do you have a family (B) yes I am to both questions (A) (Okay) and do you and your wife have a budget plan for your finances (B) we do (We) (basically) there's you know the expenses that are fixed during the month the ones that come every month and we enter those into a spread sheet and whatever is left after that we (we) sit down and agree on kind of what what sort of range we are going to generally going to shoot for (A) (I) (see) (B) what do you do (A) that's basically what we do about every three months or so we re-evaluate our budget and we sit down and just write from the largest bills down to the smallest and then we divvy them up between our four pay checks I work part time at night (B) (Wow) (A) and my husband works full times days and so we have four checks but that works out nice because we get paid every week and so that does help that helps a lot And then we don't have a lot extra for extra spending so it's pretty well ear marked (B) All allocated out (A) Every penny is ear marked but we have found that works the best and so if we can just divide all the major bills up In fact we found it easier to divide the major bills up cut the house payment in half and cut the loan payment in half and divide those up between all (B) All the checks (A) And so we are not taking a huge sum out of one and then the next pay check we're real short (or) (B) we found that it's definitely helped get a handle on kind of the unnecessary expenses (A) (That's) (true) (B) before we started doing that kind of a thing we were spending money for things that we kind of tended to eat out a bit more than we should have and it was easy to let things get out of hand We thought it to be really helpful We have gotten some of our loans paid off really because of this and stuff like that (so) (A) it helps you to focus where your money goes and I am sure you felt the same frustration before you got on a budget but you're wondering when you put down all the money that you do bring in (and) (then) (you're) (saying) (my) (word) (where) (did) (all) (that) (money) (B) That's a lot of money (but) (A) (go) Where does it go (B) (But) (A) and also we have found that if we write down and we did this We are not real consistent with this but we did it for about a month and we wrote down everything that we bought you know every pay check and so we could see where every penny went and it was really interesting to see just what you do spend and like I say we haven't been real consistent with it It's we should cause it does help (B) the other thing that we've found that helps is we tend to fudge on the budget a little bit it's just to get up the money in advance and put it in so long as it wasn't unreasonably high but for things like food expenses (or) (whatever) Just put it in in an envelope or whatever and that way it kind of forced us to stick to that amount (A) (just) (stick) (to) (that) (That) (is) (B) And then once that was gone if the entertainment amount was gone (A) (That) (B) for the month (say) it's gone (A) that sounds like a really good idea And (it) really helpful have you developed a savings plan or I R A s or anything like that yet (B) we haven't our initial goal was just to completely retire debt for car payments and credit card credit card debt and all of that We are just at a point where where we could start thinking about it (so) (A) (that's) (good) (That's) (a) (good) (feeling) (B) (I) (A) My husband just graduated from the university a year ago (so) (finally) (B) (A) (student) (A) finally we are getting to that point too are you still going to school (or) (B) I am actually (in) (the) (mas-)

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(B) (Okay) (A) (we'll) (have) (to) (B) (What) (kind) (of) (A) I have a lot of friends that like country music (B) What kind of rock music do you listen to Do you listen to that really heavy metal stuff (or) (A) No I'm more into older rock like the psychedelic era (like) (B) Seventies and (like) that stuff (A) late sixties seventies Greatful Dead Crosby Stills and Nash (B) I have friends that like that (A) What (B) you have never heard of the Christian music that I listen to probably (A) I've heard a little bit of it (I've) (just) (B) have you heard of Carmen Have you ever heard of Kim (A) I've heard of Striper (So) (the) (only) (one) (I) (can) (B) Striper they're the really heavy the heavy metal stuff (I) (guess) (A) the first of Amy Grant before (you) (know) became more mainstream top forty (B) Cause she plays both secular and Christian (so) I like her too I have been to a concert a couple of times of hers (A) I've never actually seen her in concert I imagine that she puts on a pretty good show (B) She does She's real good (So) I like her (A) I like some country music (It's) (just) (that) (I) (like) (finding) (a) (lot) (of) (it's) (B) I don't like the country music that's like my wife left me my dog left me everybody's left me (A) Mama got run over by the train (B) I don't like that I like Randy Travis I like more of the real new ones (A) Like Garth Brooks (B) Garth Brooks yes he's fine (A) Reba MacIntyre (B) I like them I don't care for the older the dog left me stuff (A) You don't like Patsy Cline (You) (don't) (like) (Patsy) (Cline) (B) No I don't even really know who she is () But have you ever been to any (of) (them) concerts that you like (That) (music) (that) (you) (like) (to) (A) actually I just went to see the Greatful Dead (I) (guess) about a week ago (B) But aren't they done (with) (I) (thought) (that) (they) (A) No (they) (are) (still) (on) (tour) They have been touring since the late sixties (B) (And) (I) (just) (thought) (that) (they) (done) (broke) (up) (and) (A) (No) (B) (left) (A) They're still together They're still making albums (B) (Wow) (I) (didn't) (know) (that) (That's) (interesting) (A) (In) (fact) there are people that (basically) (just) follow them around (from) (city) (to) (city) on tour selling tie dye (and) (things) (like) (that) (B) (Cause) they are on up there in age aren't they (A) they're (like) late forties early fifties but whenever one of them dies off they get a replacement (B) (Okay) (Alright) (A) they seem to have a really bad time with keyboard players They keep on dying and they keep on replacing them and the new ones in this thirties (B) (alright) (A) (But) (B) Cause they look pretty rough (I've) (seen) (picture) (of) (them) (and) (they) (just) (A) they don't actually look as rough as the Rolling Stones (They) (just) I don't know if you saw the tour posters of the Rolling Stones when they last toured but it looked like leather day at the geriatric (B) (cause) (they) (just) (A) All their faces were just all shriveled (B) (Yuck) (looking) (A) it just (just) looked like they got a bunch of retirees and put them in leather jackets and blue jeans (B) are you into that rock music all that druggy stuff (and) (all) (that) You know what I am saying I mean like they come on the stage and you they don't even know they are there They are just so out of it (A) Actually I prefer my performers to be pretty sober just so if they're jamming that they don't just lose themselves and go into lala land (B) So I just don't like That So I don't know (A) have you seen any concerts lately

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(A) Hello Ann (B) Hello Chuck (A) the other day I attended a conference here at Utah State University on recycling and I was (kind) (of) interested to hear cause they had some people from the E P A and lots of different places and they had basically decided that there is going to be a real problem here within a few years on solid waste (B) I didn't think that was a new revelation (A) (it's) (not) (too) (new) (B) what is the E P A recommending now (A) they really didn't propose any solutions the guy was pretty negative about the things that the government was doing even though he was from the E P A But he had a lot of facts to give (and) (things) like how many solid waste plants were being shut down and one of the most interesting things that he was talking about was recycling of news print He was talking about the City of New York and how they went and collected all this news print and they could sell it for a while (They) (were) (able) (to) (sell) (it) for some amount per ton and now (at) (this) (stage) (of) (the) (game) (where) they have gotten into recycling they've collected so much news print that they have to pay to have it hauled away (B) that's a common problem though that has happened in Dallas as well as New York and I try to recycle all of the newspapers that come to my house and after a while I just quit taking the newspaper because I couldn't recycle it anymore which isn't good for business on the other end either (I) (suppose) (A) We're doing some here in Cash Valley (the) (community) (here) we've actually got a kind of a nice set up We've got a couple of plants here that actually take recycled paper and shred it and spray it with chemical treatment so that it's not a fire hazard and make it into insulation and they can actually use as much recycled paper as the community can get to them Because they are actually buying it and shipping it in from outside (B) (that's) (good) (A) So one of the real keys (it) (sounds) (like) to getting recycling for paper (or) (something) (like) (that) to go is to get some sort of business to actually want it once you have collected it (B) There has to be a reuse for it that's why they recycle (The) (one) (I) (think) (is) (the) (most) (interesting) (is) with the recycled bottles (and) (all) (that) the industry seems to be doing with the recycled polymers everything from waste baskets to (carpet) (to) (I) (mean) the sticky slide rugs under the carpet and (I) (think) they are even putting it in the roadways these days and they're making clothes now that are recycled (Like) (the) (recycled) (plastic) (coke) (bottles) (and) (milk) (cartons) (and) (things) (like) (that) (A) And there was a paper presented at this conference from a guy from Alabama and he was (kind) (of) hired to do a study by two departments for the government One was environmental protection and the other one (was) (I) (can't) (remember) (what) (but) the basic idea it was presented to him was how can we maximize the amount of energy that we can get back from recycling and minimize the volume of stuff that we are putting into our landfill and the solution that he came up with for plastics it was really quite amazing he says the best thing to do with plastics is to burn them (B) (really) (A) He came to the conclusion plastics is actually one of the biggest problems in landfills cause it's low weight but it's high volume so it takes up a lot of space and there's very little energy value in actually doing a lot of the recycling but there is a lot of energy in it if you can burn it and use it produce electricity So his solution was to burn plastic Collect it and burn it (B) it's carbon so that makes sense a carbon fuel of some sort (but) (what) (A) And it's more than even paper or something like that There is more energy in it per pound or whatever (B) what about emissions (A) he didn't deal with that He just said burn it (B) (Okay) (A) He didn't talk about cleaning it up or anything like that So it's not very practical (B) No it's interesting I bet that was a good day at the conference then (A) (real) (interesting) (B) Did it change anything for you (A) not too much (I) (got) (a) (bit) (Actually)

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(A) (Kay) (B) (Okay) (A) (I) (guess) (we're) (talking) (about) (exercise) (B) first of all I have to ask you how old you are (A) I am twenty-seven (B) (Twenty-seven) (okay) I am quite a bit older than you are But no I think exercise is extremely important and I do exercise on a regular basis (A) You do What type of exercise do you do (B) I do jazzercise (A) (you) (do) (B) which is an aerobic program (that) are you familiar with it (A) Yes (B) It's a national company and we have a jazzercise center here in Plano that has classes all day long (so) (you) (can) (A) Are they different from aerobics or is it the same thing (B) No it's an aerobic routine you warm up and then you have thirty minutes of aerobic activity starting slowly and then working up to a high heart rate and then you gradually go down again (A) And you do that every day (or) (B) No I only do it probably two or three times a week (A) (okay) (B) The minimum they want you to do is three times a week (A) And this is a club or do you belong to a group (B) (it's) (really) (a) it's called a center and you buy as many classes as you want to at a time and then you just go in whenever you can So I usually choose to go at nine thirty in the morning or a nine fifteen class or a ten thirty class in the mornings (A) Do you go with friends or do you go alone (B) No I go by myself and that's one of the frustrating things cause I can find very few people to go with me and most of my friends that are my age don't exercise or they might play tennis and since I am not a tennis player I don't get that but I am in my late forties so there aren't many people that want to do that Most of the people that are in the classes are young mothers (with) (children) (between) (the) (ages) (A) (young) (mothers) (or) (B) (Young) (mothers) (young) (women) with small children (are) (the) (ones) (that) (I) (find) what do you do (A) I really don't have a routine I like playing basketball We just bought a new home with a basketball hoop and (B) (great) (A) that's what I do every day (B) Do you play every day (A) pretty much When my wife let's me (B) who do you play with Do you have friends that play with you (or) (just) (A) No I just shoot around by myself And that's about it I use to play soccer a lot in high school but when I graduated I haven't done much I don't have a problem I know I have to do more aerobics but I don't have a problem with weight I could eat all day and not gain an ounce (B) that's really good and I think that keeps some people from exercising I don't have a problem with weight either but I think I don't have a problem because I exercise (A) You do exercise (B) people are always saying to me how do you stay thin and it's because I exercise (A) You do it (B) but I also watch what I eat but you'll come being twenty-seven you don't really have to worry about your heart rate and that yet (A) (and) (I) (B) but as you get older you will (A) everyone's told me my waist line is going to expand one of these days but I don't know (B) it might not Mine because everybody's been telling me that too and so far it hasn't happened and I just feel like you have to constantly weigh yourself and just keep an eye on it and cut back if it starts to get too high (A) I guess I enjoy sports a lot so that's why I've kept active in that way (B) But you don't play any other sports but basketball (A) basketball volleyball too bad it's not really heavy as far as recreation or hobby I do that (B) But do you ski Being in Utah I was wondering if you ski (A) I use to but it got too expensive (so) (B) (did) (it) (really) Cause I know that skiing in Utah is suppose to be great (A) a lot of people do that but I never find the time I had rather do other things (B) I have never skied before but I have friends that go to Utah all the time (and) (they) (think) (it's) (really) (A) they come up here (B) and they ski I guess there's a place where you can ski is it Tahoe Where you ski from no that's Nevada to California (A) That's in Nevada (B) (I) (guess) I am thinking about where you can ski over the state line (A) (but) (B) But there is a place in Utah called a funny name (A) There's Snow Bird or Alta (B) (But) (it's) (like) (Heavenly) (Is) (that) (it) (A) Heavenly (B) I think it's called Heavenly (A) I've never heard of that one (B) (You've) (never) (heard) (of) (that) maybe it isn't in Utah But they said they've skied Heavenly and it sounded like that they skied really well when they are actually talking about a place It's kind of funny (A) Do they exercise much I mean for skiing I know when I went you can get sore easily (but) (B) You can get really sore (I) (know) (you) I've talked to people but most of these people ski enough so that they don't get sore (A) is one or two timer a year if I do go on them and I am really sore after (B) And then is it your quadriceps that are the worst In your legs (and) (A) My legs really (really) ache But (that's) I am using muscles that I have never used before (B) and it's strange that you can do like I did aerobics all the time and then I went horseback riding and still I was so sore (and) (I) (couldn't) (get) (over)

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(B) Hey Steve they just started a recycling program here I think this is my first experience with recycling program but instead of just tossing everything away which I always felt bad about I am starting to split stuff up The only disadvantage is that they don't pick it up at the curb They make me drive it a mile down the road and spit it out down there What are they doing up there (A) here in Saskatoon much the same thing There is no curb pick up of any of the recycled products we're in a community of about one hundred and eighty thousand people (there) (are) (areas) (where) (we) (could) actually we have a couple of the handicapped societies types of places where the one they do as just a recycling operation and then others they collect the paper and ship it to other retailers so we are able to have drop off bins for news papers and cardboard and that kind of thing and then there's a deposit program on plastic and glass containers primarily soft drink bottles and so we are able to take it to one of the rehabilitation centers and then they recycle the containers They refund the deposit which is anywhere from five to fifteen cents a container (and) (then) (B) (the) (deposits) (only) (on) (drink) (stuff) (Okay) (A) (primarily) (on) (soft) (drink) (pops) (and) (that) (kind) (of) (thing) (B) (Okay) (A) so they induce recycling of plastic and glass soft drink containers we do have one of the scrape metal dealers that will accept tin and aluminum cans as well (B) (okay) (A) there is a deposit on aluminum pop cans and beer cans and so the recycler with the handicapped group will also accept those So it's fairly extensive but then again it's the initiative of the individual person because there is no coordinated pick up by the city (B) (did) (they) are you giving these products to the handicapped group and the handicapped group is getting (the) the money or are some home distributing the funds back to you (A) there's the opportunity for both (B) (Okay) (A) (Generally) (the) (handicapped) (group) (takes) (care) (of) (the) (things) (that) actually the government has placed the deposit which is the inducement to recycle the bottle so that you get your money back and then the recycler run by the handicapped society pays back the cost of that deposit and then they in turn will get some money from the bottlers and from the the people that do the canning of the pop and the beer as well (B) That's very cool I heard about a similar program in New York City (where) (a) (thing) (called) Homeless Incorporated (or) (something) (like) (that) (but) what they do is employ (I) (think) (mostly) (men) (but) homeless people to go out and collect all the recyclable cans (and) (I) (think) (it's) (mostly) (cans) There may be bottles as well but beer cans soda cans (and) (what) (not) and they bring them up to one centralized location and are able to collect the money from the various beer and soda manufacturers and get more money to these people that desperately need it (A) I guess partly because of our climate Here in Saskatoon (at) (least) the majority of (central) (I) (want) (to) (say) Central Canada (but) Central Canada tends to referred more to Ontario and Quebec but we don't have much of a situation where we might call them homeless people We certainly have a fair number of people that are on welfare and unemployment insurance (and) (that) (kind) (of) (thing) there's psychological pressure against employing people to do that kind of thing although scouts and hockey teams and ball teams (those) (kinds) regularly do bottle drives where they go around in various neighborhoods and collect the bottles at individual homes (B) Do they do it with news papers as well (A) They have done it some but we have actually quite an extensive network of collecting news papers They are actually at virtually all of the shopping centers (the) (shopping) (malls) There are several containers where the group called Cosmopolitan Industries collects or people can drop their used news papers and other papers in the bins and then the bins are collected

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(A) (Anyway) () (B) (How) (about) (you) What do you do with your budget (A) What do I do at the moment it's under chaos (now) (I'm) (just) I don't really have a budget per se it's called living within your means which means at the moment paying off the VISA bill and keeping everything else under control and hoping the car doesn't collapse (B) (That's) (true) (A) but no I don't really have a budget at the moment but I have a rough feel for how much money I can afford to spend each month and then I usually don't exceed that unless the VISA bill gets out of hand for one reason or another like if I have car expenses and then it goes through the moon (so) (B) that's sort of a problem (A) (what) (do) (yo-) (B) we're trying to so far we are in the clear credit wise but the other side of it is so not much on that side of it to add to it We're trying to think of how to put away some savings and stuff like that (but) (A) So you can afford to get a house (B) we'd like to do that some day We have this dream But we don't know how long it will be a dream we're real happy that we don't have any debt but at the same time we're real scared about incurring it in this economy now so we're stepping real careful and trying to see what's the best way to save the little bit that we do get on top of expenses every month (A) what do you and your husband do (B) We're missionaries actually (A) (Are) (you) (really) (B) And it will be easier once we get overseas cause we have support quota and it's cheaper to live overseas than it is to live here (A) (No) (kidding) (B) And it doesn't get switched very easily once you come home (A) (I) (see) Overseas where would you be going (B) Africa Nigeria (A) Really (Really) How long would you be there (B) About four years We're career so we go over seas for four years and then we come back for a year We go over four we come back for a year (A) with what Church (B) we're with Wycliff Bible Translators (A) (yes) Yes I know who they are they have an office in Costa Mesa as I recall (B) (they) (could) (very) (well) (and) (A) (you) (know) there was a fairly large building (well) that belongs to them are you active in translation (B) we will be I was over four years doing language surveying which is the first step You're kind of like the scout that goes ahead of the team and assesses the need And came home and got married and we will go back as translators cause we want to raise a family and it is easier to raise a family as translators I always wanted to do translation but as long as I was single and foot loose so to speak it's easier they really need surveyors cause you're free to travel anywhere You don't have kids hanging around you and stuff (A) (True) (true) (enough) what languages do you speak besides English of course (B) I have a smattering of about ten different ones but (there's) I'm not bilingual in any of them because I kept switching from one area (to) the other since I did complete a survey in one area I'd switch to the other So I know the greetings in about ten and how to do market stuff but in about five I guess I can do better in it And my French is pretty good but it's French so I'm terrified to speak (in) (A) (In) (France) (B) in France because they're real snobby about their language and French is street French and I just picked it up off the street and I knew what I was (I) (knew) (what) (I) (was) communicating but I didn't know what I was saying I never sat there and got a direct translation and said something here when I came home and French to somebody and he paled and said I'm not going to tell you what you said So since then I have refrained from speaking any French (In) I don't know what I said to him but I didn't ask him either (A) (Must) (have) (been) (terrible) (The) (was) (it) Henry Macon said that the language was like a man slowly bleeding to death So they hemorrhaged him to death without new infusions that will eventually die and it just amazes me that the French don't recognize that (Free) (style) (English) (is) (just) (takes) (on)

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(A) (guy) (some) (of) (my) (things) I'd like to have a short work week (B) (okay) (A) and we need better health insurance (and) (cau-) (B) (Okay) we can start off there (Let's) (just) (get) (started) (A) (Okay) (B) If you don't want to talk about it now and then (A) (Okay) (B) be bored when we get to it (A) (Okay) I just press one then (Okay) ready (Okay) (B) I think that a short work week is real nice I have a thirty-seven hour work week How about you (A) now I'm just a student I only work part time but I've work in the job force before and forty hours is just too long You just don't have any time to do anything It seems like Saturday you get off but Sunday you're getting ready for Monday (And) (if) (we) (get) (have) (a) if we could have a thirty-two hour work week (with) (that) (happen) (is) (that) for every four people we could give another job And then (that) (way) everybody would have a three day holiday And that would make a bigger market We'd have more recreation People would have time to do it There would be less of a stress level we'd have less crime we'd have to build less prisons less police force (B) (it) (all) (makes) (sense) (to) (me) Although there may be more crime if people have more leisure time It's not clear (And) (that) (A) (that's) (a) (possibility) one of the problems they're facing now (a) (lot) (of) (people) (now) is that the small business can't offer health insurance and it's too costly and (what) (is) (happening) (is) (that) they're on a policy where they have X amount of users in it So they get a specific rate (what) (happens) (is) (that) if people start having chronic illness (and) (things) (like) (that) what happened and (where) they really have to spend (out) a lot of money (for) (one) (particular) it's called a group (well) (what) (happens) (then) (is) (that) (they) (cancel) because they just can't cancel an individual (So) they have to cancel just life insurance They have to cancel everything (what) (they) (do) (is) (that) (they) (cancel) (the) (insurance) (and) (then) (all) (the) (people) (don't) (have) (any) (insurance) (coverage) But I'm satisfied with my job I'm an engineering student And I work for my instructor and I'm not a typical student I'm older I'm in my thirties (And) (so) I have a lot of job experience and my instructor thrives on that because he can just tell me what he wants and he can give me access (and) (tell) (me) (what) (to) (do) and just turn me loose but in the same token it's really enjoyable for me because I don't have to have nobody breathing down my back (and) and one of the things that I (I) really hate about jobs (I) (don't) (I) (don't) like bosses that (that) want to yell at you and are down on your back (and) (all) (this) (and) (that) I (I) just really can't deal with that what kind of jobs have you done (B) I do research in computer science and I've just been doing that for a few years now my job has most of the benefits I want what I really like is (I) (like) (being) they send me to conferences for instance but probably not as much as I'd like but that's just nice (you) (know) having a company being able to give you time to do that sort of thing (and) (sort) (of) (they) (also) a really important thing to me is when they pay for continuing education I get night courses that they'll cover now and that's really good (A) (that's) (just) (great) You have what you might call knowledge power when you work at a company whether you know it or not is that you're categorized Some people can be let go and replaced like say a typist somebody who does data entry or answers the telephone or receptionist But if you're a person that's doing computer type things and you have the knowledge you know what the system you've revised and revamped the system then you're vital to the company and you get more benefits (That's) (where) (I'm) (like) I'm into computers too and that's one of the things that I've found in any one of these jobs and anything I've done is that to have knowledge When you have the knowledge you're not going to be let go be one of the last ones to let go anyway

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(A) so do you think our politicians are honest at this point in time (B) Generally I don't think they are my personal opinion is that the politicians are out for their own good because they're entrenched They don't ever have to go out and get a real job They just stay in their current job (you) (know) (what) (I) (mean) (A) (I) (agree) (with) (both) (of) (those) (things) but do you see any way of like altering it so that they would become more honest (B) (I) (think) by putting term limitations on you could slow down some of the problems but it has to be not just at the national level but at (you) (know) the state and the local level too I know some senators and I don't know which ones but they've been in office since the nineteen forties and (I) they've never had a job they've never gone out in the real world and paid normal taxes I know they pay taxes but they don't they get paid a hundred and twenty-five grand a year Which is more than twice my salary by quite a bit and I'm going like I don't understand how they're supposed to be my servants and yet they're paid more than I am and they work you know less than I do (A) the only problem I see with term limitations is that I think that the bureaucracy in our government as is with most governments is just so complex that you know there is a learning curve and that you can't just send someone off to Washington and expect his first day to be an effective Congress person I think there's a lot they need to learn when you get there the other thing that bothers me about our system is just that in Congress the amount of power any particular Congress critter has is based on their seniority (and) (how) (long) (they've) (been) (there) (so) (it's) (for) so unless you have actual across the board limitations (you) (know) the idea of (we're) I'm just going to vote against the incumbent every time doesn't work it's going to wind up hurting your state if all the other states aren't doing it at the same time (B) I think that that's true but then you have the same abuse of power on the flip side of that coin the C I A is moving out to West Virginia which is a really stupid location for a large agency like that and for almost any agency the action isn't in West Virginia I hate to tell the senator from West Virginia this information but (it) (really) (doesn't) the world does not revolve around West Virginia (as) (far) (as) (this) (country) (is) (concerned) the world does revolve around D C as far as the politics in this country are concerned the national politics (and) the C I A is a very large very high profile agency and to have it located out in West Virginia it might only be two hour drive from here but (that's) (a) (two) (hour) (drive) (and) I think it's a mistake to move large agencies like that (or) (is) (it) (the) (F) (B) (I) (I) (don't) (remember) (but) (I) (think) (there's) (A) (l-) (t-) I don't see why it makes a big difference the C I A because officially they don't have any operations within the United States other than administrative (B) (that's) (officially) we all know that that's not necessarily true But I think that there are advantages to having seniority or not having a complete turnover every some small number of years I think I mean there's an institutional memory that you need to maintain But I think that with all the perks that we've given them I heard on the radio back a few weeks ago during the incidents where (you) (know) (like) they aren't paying their restaurant bills and they're bouncing checks all over the place one of the radio stations over here listed off every single one of the perks

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(A) how you like New Jersey (B) it's pretty good You get closer to the coast here and you (do) get a good bit of smog (and) (stuff) especially from all the fuel cracking towers and chemical plants (A) I don't know what part of New Jersey you're in but I guess it's fairly industrial (B) it's when you get further east towards New York City it gets very industrial but I'm about thirty miles west of there so you have (actually) (green) trees and such that you don't notice that other part of New Jersey exists Actually (very) (you) (know) you go even a few miles out and you got farms and (everything) (so) (you) relatively clear air (But) (A) (I) (don't) (know) (about) (you) (but) I've always considered automobiles to be (probably) the prime contributor there's a lot of contributors but (it) (seems) (that) automobiles would probably do more than their fair share of that (B) definitely (It's) there are a large number of them on the road They're all going and a lot of them are in relatively poor repair (A) that's a big issue is a lot of states don't have a inspection law so you get a lot of people out there without E T R emission control systems on their cars and things like that (B) even where you do have the inspections the inspection is once a year (A) (and) (it's) (like) (B) You get the car that's in the accident and muffler falls off or something (A) (Sure) (B) and guy keeps driving along for long period of time after that (A) I guess from what I hear though next year Ford is coming out with their electric cars They're actually coming out with the first prototypes in California (B) that and I think also some of the car companies are coming out with gas powered fleets so you natural gas powered rather than gasoline (A) I'm hoping that comes along quick I was reading an article in TIME the other day about the ozone layer and how fast that's going and I guess it's really disappearing a lot quicker than people realize and I know it's not due to gasoline or to carbon monoxide so much as the C F C -s (but) (B) it is coming from cars though (A) I think that's a contributor definitely (B) the car air conditioners is one of the major leaking sources of the freon Which is one of the major fluorocarbons (A) I guess now what they're primarily worried about is third world countries because (I) (guess) United States and Russia have kind of taken the lead in terms of eliminating C F C production (but) (B) (it) (A) (it) (go) (ahead) (B) No it's the type of thing there that the Third World countries are less industrial and they want to become industrial so they're on the different part of the cycle of the U S The U S used all the air pollution stuff and air polluting technologies to get where it is today (A) And that's one of the arguments that the Third World countries have been using is that basically they don't want to have to pay for our mistakes if that makes any sense in (terms) (of) (B) or they want the to make the same mistakes themselves to bootstrap them up to where we (A) (Exactly) (B) got to (A) Exactly those are joining arguments but (I) (don't) (know) that's kind of an interesting situation there those third world countries what they don't realize is how quickly the ozone is depleting I guess the latest figures are up to fifty percent at the Poles and it's increasing even as near the Equator as Florida and Cuba and those places (So) (it's) (kind) (of) (an) (interesting) (situation) It's not a real good one actually (B) (No) (A) (But) (B) you also have the very close related thing of the rain forest destruction which is the main source of what's clearing out the atmosphere and replacing some of the pollutants (A) you don't get that source of cleansing anymore have you been in big cities a long time (B) I've mostly been in the east coast so that's going between Atlanta D C area (A) Okay (so) (you've) (got) (B) (A-) (A) those are actually areas that are hit pretty hard I would think (B) not as hard as some places out west because you don't get the major pollution sources as you do out in Denver with the (A) (Denver's) (definitely) (B) inversion (A) that's one of the worst (B) and Los Angeles and rest of California which is just terrible it sounds (A) (Sure) Denver's that real good example of sitting in a valley kind of like Mexico City does I guess Mexico City is historically been one of the worst in the world for that But I've been pretty lucky I've lived in cities that really haven't had that much of a problem although I'm really kind of based in Orlando Florida and there you can tell that it's getting worse definitely it's not at a level comparable to Los Angeles or Denver (but) (you) (can) (B) (there) it's almost all automobiles because there's not that much (in) (the) (way) (of) (A) (Exactly) (B) heavy industry that would be causing it (A) And there's not that much in terms of public transportation down there There is (but) (it's)

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(A) Jimmy how do you get most of your news (B) I watch the national news every day for one I also read one or two papers a day and I'm pretty much a news junkie and I tune in to C N N a lot (A) (wow) when you say the morning news or evening news or national news is when (B) every evening at six thirty (I) (believe) I watch the national news (A) (okay) I would probably be a junkie or watch C N N a lot but I don't subscribe to cable because of the poor service and also because I give to the United Way and so I figured that amount of money I just donate to that (B) as opposed to paying for cable (A) (I) (take) (away) (a) (addiction) (something) (I) (B) overall (I) the quality of the news you get off of most sources I would say is pretty low (It's) usually you get pretty incomplete coverage and that's one of the reasons why I try and get as many sources as possible because if you hear the same story from three different sources then you get a much clearer picture of what is going on You would hope (but) (still) (hard) (to) (say) (that) (what) (you've) (heard) (is) (what) (really) (is) (A) what newspapers do you read (B) (I) (read) the local newspaper and I also try and read one of the major dailies like the CHICAGO TRIBUNE or the NEW YORK TIMES (or) (something) (like) (that) (A) For a while (there) I subscribed to NEW YORK TIMES actually a couple of newspapers because my fiance (she) was unemployed (for) (a) (while) (so) (she) really needed to look at the help wanted ads (and) (so) often the newspapers are trying to compete with (a) (lot) (of) other sources of news (And) (I) (don't) (know) NEW YORK TIMES is okay (and) when you read a lot of this stuff the quality of the writing has definitely gone (down) in the last ten years or so (but) they say it's like the sixth grade reading level (but) I swear it's at least second or third grade (sometimes) (B) (Pretty) (low) (A) (But) (I) (don't) (know) (I) (think) if you listen to N P R or something like (B) I (really) like N P R a lot (A) (That's) (pretty) (good) (and) I like listening to that (on) (when) (I) (get) (a) (chance) when I'm in the car (a) long enough (time) to listen to it (because) (I) (B) (I) (N) (P) (R) (a) (lot) (also) I (really) like them because (they) (give) instead of being as your newspaper or (your) T V news where you get a five minute blurb or a ten paragraph blurb they go really in depth on topics which (I) (think) is good (And) (they) (also) their editorial stand point seems to be (a) (lot) better than (say) your major network news (and) (that) (kind) (of) (thing) (A) McNeil and Lehrer I guess (he's) (leaving) one of them is leaving they're pretty good too (I) (guess) a year ago you're probably watching C N N a lot Had that invasion (or) (whatever) (it) (is) (B) (Sure) (was) (A) but (I) (don't) (know) I guess it's still a lot of hype Look at the Smith trial that was a joke (B) (that) (was) but then you also have things where they broadcast the Clarence Thomas hearings basically the whole length of them which I thought was really good (A) (the) (N) (P) (R) (doing) (that) I know I had some visitor and he was just (I) (don't) (know) fixated on that just listened to it constantly and I guess that's good when it's live if you'll really want that but that's not really providing you news it's more like a media event (rather) (than) (B) (but) (the) (A) reporting (B) but the news (news) that you would get from any other source is being generated from that event which is something that's good also about C Span which I (I) tune into every once in a while (A) (really) That's kind of boring to me I think (B) it is really kind of boring but that's if you don't watch it there then you're going to hear somebody else's canned report somebody else's view about it and (that's) (what) (you're) (supposed) (to) if you watch the news your opinion is going to be formed on what somebody else thought about it as opposed to actually watching it yourself and forming your own opinion which I would be much more in favor of forming my own opinion as opposed to following someone else's (A) (I) (guess) (that's) (true) But one of the ways that I get information is every day when I log in on the computer I subscribe to this thing it's free inside the company it's called INTELLECT and they basically type out abstracts (which) (are) (really) (literally) I've actually read the actual articles (they're) (pretty) (g-)

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(B) so they come in I pay them and (that's) (it) that's about (A) (that) (B) the extent of it I don't really have this major budget or anything I'm real thrifty I take care of two children and me and just real careful with the money What little we have that's what I do (A) Yes it's pretty straightforward (It's) (almo-) I can't imagine having to go into real complicated stuff and making (B) (No) (A) fancy budgets It seems like if you're getting to that level you're not in real good control (B) I've never liked credit cards and a lot of debt you buy something on credit and you pay twice as much for it when you get done (A) I like using credit cards for everything but just paying off the bills because that way it's a record of everything and I don't have to worry about keeping records of anything else (B) (I) (don't) (have) (A) because they come in at (B) (too) (many) (A) the end of the month (B) I don't have too many weaknesses but I found out a credit card was one of them it's so much easier if something's on sale if you're a woman and you're a sale person it's like it's on sale let's go grab it and if you don't have the money then use a credit card so I got rid of them credit cards (A) I guess if that's if that's a weakness that's a good thing to do (B) (that) (was) (my) (weakness) It wasn't bad I didn't have thousands of dollars and like that I just learned that that wasn't for me (A) (Sure) (B) (but) (I) (self-employed) I have my own little cleaning business (type) (thing) (so) (I) (keep) (A) Do you find trouble keeping the records for taxes (and) (all) (that) (or) (B) No it's not hard I just keep it in a notebook and write down what I've made and what it's going to have to go for that month (and) (it's) (not) (that) (hard) (Not) (at) (all) (A) that's good to know (B) I always do my own income tax Do you (A) I don't understand the idea of paying somebody to do it It seems like it's absurd the number of people who end up having to pay somebody to do it (B) (R-) all you got to do is (read) (a) (book) (A) (I) (B) read the little book they send you (A) just the form (B) fill in the blanks and go it seems absurd that people will pay some bucks just to get (A) (and) (a) (lot) (of) (them) (B) someone to (it's) (dumb) I guess if you had some really complicated stuff but I don't so I don't mess with it But I don't use a calculator either () (A) (I) (B) I don't have that many things to add up (so) (A) I don't trust myself with using a calculator or computer (y-) (too) (much) (stuff) (like) (that) because I want to make sure (that) that I keep on top of the numbers and understand what's going on I know too many people who use a calculator if they make a mistake they find out two months later because they weren't paying attention (And) (B) (And) (we) (have) (a) (A) (And) (it) (seem) (B) I bank at N C N B here and they have a number that you can call in and I always call in like once every other week or so and I will check off what checks have cleared (and)

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(A) Okay what are your views on capital punishment (B) I have ambivalent feelings because I don't think it serves as a kind of deterrent we would like to think it is But on the other hand it is very expensive to maintain Texas has one of the biggest criminal justice systems in the country (A) (Yes) (B) And it's eating us alive budget wise (and) (A) are they currently practicing capital punishment (B) Yes we (A) in your state (B) do practice capital punishment but the nature of the courts and the appeals and the stays (and) (all) (that) means that it's a (very) long haul before anybody's ever executed (A) (Yes) that's similar to Georgia (B) And then I was reading in the paper just this morning (it's) (interesting) (because) (I) (had) (forgotten) (I) (guess) (that) (I) (wrote) (this) (little) (topic) (down) that it costs more to execute somebody than it does to keep them (A) (That's) (probably) (true) (considering) (B) Because of all the costs of the appeals and all that (A) (Yes) (Yes) (I) (guess) in a way that (it) (kind) (of) defeats the purpose of having capital punishment (if) (B) I think capital punishment is supposed to be primarily a deterrent to other people (A) (Yes) (B) who would see it (A) that would be the intent of it (B) but I'm not sure how successful that is (A) I think it would be more successful if it was applied in a more expedient manner (if) (there) (weren't) (so) (many) (B) (Quicker) (A) (appeals) (B) (maybe) (A) (if) (the) (person) (who's) (going) (to) (commit) (the) (crime) (knew) (that) (they) (were) (going) (to) (be) (punished) (severely) (possibly) (capital) (punishment) (B) what kind of work do you do (A) I'm a research engineer I work with Georgia Tech (B) I'm a school principal Elementary school Five hundred of them are good solid kids and I have the same thirty-seven in my office every day And a lot of their parents are totally irresponsible Some of them in the penal system (A) (So) (that's) (a) (difficult) (situation) (B) And you just see those kids going down the road not all of them will commit offenses that have to do with capital punishment but some of them have already been in youth centers (And) (that) (kind) (of) (thing) and if we had something to do before they get to be full-blown adult criminals and I'm not talking about necessarily in the school system I'm not sure that the school system should be the agent of all the social action I think that's one reason we have problems in schools and some of them are our problems but a lot of it's because everything society wants we are supposed to do (But) (that's) (another) (subject) (but) (A) (that's) (probably) (true) (W-) (B) I dealt with two or three kids today that are going to end up where somebody making a decision what to do with them (A) (I) (guess) that's not an easy solution (there's) (no) (easy) (solution) (for) (that) (B) (I) (don't) (know) (that) (there) (is) (an) (easy) (solution) but if you could find a way to prevent some of it and I'm not sure what it would be It would be money better spent than do you know it costs more to keep an inmate on death row than it does to send a kid to Harvard (That's) (true) (A) (I'm) (sure) (it) (is) (B) (Statistically) (that's) (true) (A) (I) (don't) certainly capital punishment isn't going to solve a lot of problems (but) (B) Are you for it I'm for it (in) (A) I guess I am (B) in some cases (A) (for) (certain) (cri-) in certain crimes (B) What kind of crimes would you use it for (A) premeditated murder Crimes of that nature (I) (think) (should) (definitely) any mass murderer type individual (B) I would consider it for sexual abuse of children on going not one instance but perpetual abusers of children (A) you always have castration (B) somebody elected that recently (A) (Yes) I read about that (B) And all the civil rights people are up in arms about it (But)

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(B) but that's why they should have started doing stuff before still since it's dormant for such a long time there's still probably a lot of people before the tests ever really came out who are draining a lot of money now (A) I think a lot of it was just that because the majority of the high risk groups were people no one really cared about (That) (B) (and) all these God-fearing people were like God is trying to kill off all the et cetera (et) (cetera) (A) one humorous retort I heard someone who claimed that AIDS was God's punishment was that then lesbians must be God's chosen people But (B) Boy that's a good one (Yes) (A) do you actually think we're doing enough now (to) (B) No I really don't I did (a) research (kind) (of) (thing) on AIDS research (and) (stuff) and really we're not doing much at all I mean it's not really federal movement most of what gets raised (by) (A) Private organizations (B) conscious communities (and) (things) (like) (that) San Francisco has a real strong AIDS support group (and) (all) (that) (kind) (of) (stuff) and and get (they) (get) donations from the community (they're) (real) And from corporations around the city for AIDS research (and) (that) (kind) (of) thing and I think there needs to be more of that (sort) (of) on a federal level rather than just in the places (you) (know) where it's predominated so far because you know it's bound to spread (A) (it) (seems) (that) it's just going to reach a steady state a lot lot higher point than it will if (you) (know) we'd nip it in the bud (to) (quote) (Barney) (Fife) (B) I don't know (I) (don't) (know) (I) (don't) (know) what the likelihood of that is but people really waking up Especially with the ultra conservatives move our political system (sort) (of) seems to be taking (A) (I) (would) (probably) (agree) (with) (that) (B) (so) (A) so do you think it's more important to spend money on research or for support of people (B) (God) (that's) (a) (good) (question) (Fish) (I) (don't) (know) I think one of the main things that's really important to spend money on is education not support or research per se but education because a lot of people sort of get drummed out of the work place and out of society kind of like lepers would and it's really not necessary until the disease reaches its final stage becomes really infectious and I think that would be the most effective support they could get is for other people (you) (know) try to understand what they're going through (and) (everything) and try to understand that they don't have to be just completely cut off from the community and (I) (don't) (know) (I) (guess) (I) (think) that research is (I) (guess) the most important just because (you) (know) it really needs to come to an end (I) (don't) (know) (I) (don't) (know) (Fish) What do you think about that subject (A) I think it stands a really interesting question (of)

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(A) never going to get caught (B) but you also have to think whether it's worthwhile on the individual basis for example someone like Jeffrey Dahlmer (do) (you) (want) by putting him in prison for life there is still a possibility that he will get out again (A) one (B) Whereas (A) way or another (B) if you kill him there is not that possibility (A) but the other side to that is if you put him in prison for life there's a chance that he might do things in prison you know and somehow redeem himself (B) I don't think he could ever redeem himself but in some cases yes (A) so that (you) (know) the other problem with capital punishment you run into is what are you going to do about people who are later to have been found innocent There are cases where twenty thirty years after the fact of getting evidence especially as new technology comes along that might prove their innocence then oops I'm sorry guess we killed the wrong guy (B) (it's) once you've made a decision that way it's a little difficult to go back on it (A) you can apologize nicely but I think the price I've heard quotes it's better that a thousand people go free than one person be unjustly imprisoned I think is really the philosophy of the way our legal system works (B) (it's) (a-) the benefit of the doubt to the last iota is based on the person who is accused (A) (and) (I) (think) (that) and the way it's being used now (it's) (like) you listen to Bush (you) (know) (where) (are) (we) (going) (to) (impose) (d-) (it's) (like) for drug dealers is the new big thing in Tsongas is also saying make it a capital crime to be a major drug dealer And again I don't thing these people care They risk their lives every day (B) and they seem that the profit margin's so high that the risk is almost not there (A) (and) (especially) (now) I live in Massachusetts we're going to get capital punishment here probably after the second coming or something but you look at our crime rates (and) (things) (like) (that) and you compare them to Texas or someplace that does it's impossible to make a case that it's affecting it in any way I think it's mainly people they get the vengeance of it (Because) (B) (it's) (also) I used to live in Georgia and the big thing down there was (all) we have capital punishment but if you look at who gets accused and who are the ones who actually get executed it's very racially (related) and ethnically related (A) it's lot of blacks Also a lot of young people a sixty-two year old guy is less likely to be put on death row from what I've seen And I think when you listen to the victims' families (and) (things) they're always talking about feeling justified or (feeling) like they've gotten something out of it my thought has been once the guy has been imprisoned if he goes to jail forever or whatever if he gets killed it shouldn't make any difference to the victim's family (The) (only) (thing) (that) (should) (really) obviously if someone of mine who has close died I'd probably feel differently but the important thing is that they be caught and not be a danger to society (B) (and) (that) (and) also by keeping them in prison you do have the possibility though we don't currently do this of making restitution (A) (the) (B) you will work your prison job and any money you earn will go to the victim's family (A) (and) (the) (other) (thing) (is) (that) I was reading through a book on human geneo research and there more and more things like schizophrenia and why does it just turn out to be genetic or biochemical in origin So if someday we can go to Jeff Dahlmer and say the problem is you've got an endorphin imbalance and if you take this regularly you'll be a sane and productive member of society you really get back to the question of is someone responsible for their actions (B) I think on some of it you have to say someone's responsible for his actions (I) (never) (like) (the) (A) Society made me do it (B) (the) (defense) I never liked the insanity defense

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(A) (Let's) (see) mine's pretty easy actually I just got done reading (or) a couple magazine articles about the new Saturns and although I can't afford it now I would just love to have one (B) (really) (you) (like) so you're an American you want to buy American (A) No regardless of that fact It's the best car in the class for the cheapest amount of money I'm interested in having it for doing a little autocross racing closed circuit racing (and) (it) (seems) (to) (just) (blow) (the) (competition) (away) (B) It terms of handling acceleration (A) Handling power everything it just got the top rating It was compared up against (let's) (see) there was the Mazda M X three Nissan's (whatever) their N X two thousand the Civic S I and it dominated over all of them all the raters loved it I like the styling and I seen a few of them actually race and they seem to be really good cars for it (B) What about Mustang G T -s (A) (Mustang) (G) (T) (-s) can't afford it (B) (Those) so you're talking about ones in a lower end price range (A) I'm a graduate student and let's face it I don't make any money (so) (B) you can wait till you graduate and you'll have plenty of money you can buy whatever you want (A) we'll see then now I'm stuck I've got a Pontiac Sunbird Turbo (that) it's fast but unreliable and trying to get it prepared for racing But it would be nice just scrap it and go for the Saturn (B) would you use that for city driving and racing (A) I'd use it for both The nice thing about autocrossing is you can do both (B) (Autocrossing) (is) what kind of track is that (A) just like a set up a lot of times and (it's) (like) really large parking lots (B) (Okay) (And) (you) (set) (up) (the) (A) And pylons (B) (track) (pylons) (A) (and) (things) (B) (Okay) (A) Tight turns hard acceleration I've seen a lot of Mustangs compete and it's interesting They get dominated by the Corvettes that are also in their class (B) (really) (I) (would) (guess) (so) (A) what are you thinking about buying (B) I think I'd like to get B M W if I go the German route which I'm kind of leaning towards now or maybe (I) (mean) a Acura Legend (A) (The) (Legend) (B) a Lexus S C three hundred maybe Something on that order I haven't really determined if I like the Japanese (or) (if) (I) (like) (them) enough to purchase one because your B M W -s your German cars have good reputations I think (A) (I) (was) (actually) (in) a lot of the B M W -s are produced in Stutgardt and Munich

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(A) Think about taxes (B) I think they're a necessary evil I wish the government would operate on the same premise that businesses operate on and that is (A) You spend what you have and (B) you don't spend more than you bring in (A) I think that the general idea is to (you) (know) spend during a time of recession (you) (know) for the deficit spending to help pick up the economy but (they're) (running) (under) (the) (assump-) the way they're running it now (they're) (you) (know) (running) (it) (under) a deficit spending while we're not under a recession so there's never any surplus coming in to counter the deficit that we're running (so) that's (kind) (of) a basic thing of economics (I) (guess) keep spending keep going into debt you're not going to payoff what you owe so (I) (guess) the question was more like do you (you) (know) get what you pay for (B) I it (just) depends roads are very expensive commodity and so is utilities they supply and police and fire department they need to make a living (A) (There's) (B) So (I) (think) for many years we've paid teachers and police officers and firemen who are to a great extent public servants (we) (have) (not) (paid) (them) (really) what they're worth in what they contribute to society (A) (I) (agree) (with) (that) (B) But (then) (again) it's hard to justify with all the wastefulness of money that the government spends on all levels of government including municipalities as well as state and federal governments (A) (I) (guess) I'm a student now and I don't make a whole lot of money (and) so I (kind) (of) don't pay a proportionate amount of taxes (I) (guess) compared to what I get because you know all my education is state sponsored I go to a state sponsored school and my education all up through high school and stuff so (I) (guess) I'm (kind) (of) in debt (I) (suppose) because I don't (been) paying taxes all that long My parents (I) (guess) (however) have contributed to that for the education side of it (and) (everything) but I usually end up getting money back I will (this) (year) (anyway) (from) (a) (B) you're very fortunate (A) (I) (am) I need it too (otherwise) (B) We just try not to pay any more in than we have to we pay in a substantial amount We don't regret paying taxes We do think that sometimes we have a reverse of a regressive tax a progressive tax And progressive tax I think does not give people incentive to make more money and what I mean by that the more income you make the more tax you pay (A) (More) (taxes) (you) pay (B) It should be I think a flat percentage and that percentage ought to be an equitable amount (A) (Isn't) (B) last year when they passed the tax laws (for) (the) (nineteen) (ninety) (ninety-one) (whatever) (nineteen) (ninety-one) I added up all the taxes that we were going to pay on all these different specific luxury items and travel expenses and (everything) (else) (and) I totaled them all up and basically we were going to be paying seventy or eighty percent tax (A) (Wow) (B) that was the assumption that you spent that same dollar for every item on there even though there's taxes on different things (A) (isn't) (B) But there's a lot of taxes you pay that you're not even aware (of) (that) you're paying like when you buy a tire you pay a federal excise tax (A) there's a lot of hidden taxes (B) You pay gasoline taxes every time you pump something into your tank (A) The taxes that people don't think about (that) the income tax is a lot more visible portion of the taxes you pay (I) (guess) (B) But you (probably) pay more percentage wise in other taxes (A) (There) (was) (that) (which) (can-) (was) (it) (Jerry) (Brown) one of the democratic candidates had a proposal for doing away with all the tax codes they have now and implementing (I) (think) a flat percentage (something) (like) (that) (B) if you implemented a flat percentage it would encourage people to make more money and what people need to understand in my opinion (now) (this) (is) (just) (my) (opinion) (okay) is that businesses create jobs and jobs create income and income pays taxes (And) so if they penalize businesses business people are smart enough to say here's my break point I'm not going to work any harder and make any more or create (any) more jobs (A) (Exactly) (That's) (because) (B) (And) (so) (A) (until) (eight) (B) Based on that who do you think you're talking to you're talking to an employer (A) (Up) (until) (eighty-five) (or) (something) (was) (the)

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(A) Do you have any (B) Yes we do have a pet We have a dog that we got from (the) we call it the S P C A It's from an animal shelter he'd come in there as a stray (A) (All) (B) he's a Pomeranian and Sheltie cross he was very well trained when we got him (he's) (A) (that's) (good) You don't often find that I don't think (B) No we suspect that he (you) (know) got away from somebody traveling through and hurt in an accident because a dog that looks as good as he does and is trained as well is someone that has lost him and not have been able to locate him And if they were local people they would have been able to find him (A) (Sure) (There's) (a) (okay) that's interesting the only pet that I've had I'm a doctoral student now (and) in my earlier days as a student I kind of time shared on a dog with a good friend of mine and it was an amazing dog (it) (really) (was) he had gotten it from the pound and it's a Spanish Pointer named Domino Kind of looks like a Dalmatian and we trained it from a pup and (basically) now it's fully trained and it can do a lot of things It will get beer for you out of the fridge and it will get the newspaper (and) (do) (all) (kinds) (of) (stuff) (So) (it's) kind of a show piece (and) whenever anybody comes over we all have to show him Domino (B) (I) (think) (so) (A) (it's) she's been a real good dog and (just) it's kind of a shame that I'm away from it now I (actually) live in Florida but I'm on an internship up here for a year (and) then I go back down but Domino's a real good dog what possessed you to get the dog (B) (I) (guess) in one sense we felt that it's nice to have a dog even though there are complications come with it And then with our children at the time they were grade five and grade eight so it was an age where we thought it be good for them to have the discipline that goes with having a pet (A) Sure (Sure) learn a little bit of discipline and how to care for it and things like that (That's) (good) (That) (kind) (of) (builds) (some) (B) (So) () (A) (character) (a) (little) (bit) (B) (that's) (the) (idea) (I) (think) (the) (reality) (of) (it) (is) (that) (they) (perhaps) (it) (depends) (on) (the) (on) (everyone's) (discipline) And from that aspect I'm short on the discipline because I don't enforce that the kids look after the dog and we've had him about four years now but I think (it) it's necessary that individuals have the discipline to look after the animal properly (A) that's something that's important for sure I think do you live in a fairly rural part (of) (the) (or) (B) Actually no we live in an area that's probably about two and a half miles from the university (A) (I) (see) (B) might say we live in the middle of a residential area so that is not as good this dog being a small dog it's more acceptable but again (A) it's not that big of a problem With Domino she was full grown I would estimate seventy pounds And we lived in Oviedo which is a small town it's a suburb of Orlando but there wasn't a lot of room for her to run around and she was a dog that loved to run so that was the biggest problem I saw and I think that's one of the issues people need to think about before they get a dog is do you have the room for this dog to run around or (you) (know) I guess you can't really say for cats Me and cats don't get along too well but that whole space issue I think is real important (B) that's one of the biggest concerns (It's) there's a lot to be gained from a relationship with an animal but the same time one has to recognize the reality of physical requirements of of the animal (A) (that) (B) and the larger they are the more room they need to exercise (A) (Sure) (and) that's all part of keeping your part of the relationship showing the maturity and responsibility to recognize those issues (B) () (A) (and) (also) the whole thing with noise My mother (she) freaks out because she's got neighbors that have dogs that don't train them and we had a neighbor in Nebraska (when) (we) (lived) (there) that had Brittany Spaniels and they're very high strung animals to begin with (but)

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(B) Hi (A) Okay with the issue of trial by jury I actually found the whole question about whether you need a unanimous verdict in a criminal case to be somewhat interesting (B) I agree that that's an interesting thing I believe for civil suits it's not unanimous but for criminal suits it's unanimous by federal law (A) I don't know if it's even true that it's always unanimous because I thought there were cases (I) (don't) (know) if it's the difference between felonies and misdemeanors but where it was okay for a state to have it eleven out of twelve (B) I actually thought I'd read that too and that's why I phrased it that way I wonder the difference could be that for if there is such a thing state felonies versus federal felonies that things that are under federal jurisdiction require the unanimous vote and things that are under state jurisdiction even criminal don't require but I don't know what the laws do you think that that's an unreasonable requirement that they be unanimous (A) I'd be curious as to what the requirement for an acquittal is And I don't think it would be wrong to say that eleven out of twelve can convict if there were something corresponding saying that if six or seven voted not guilty then instead of it being a hung jury that was an acquittal (But) (I) (don't) (know) (whether) (you) (need) (a) (unanimous) (vote) (of) (not) (guilty) (to) (acquit) (B) that would be an interesting change It was also allow the idea that if you had one person who was very disagreeable that it fundamentally changes the way the processing occurs because the principle is that the fact that it's unanimous insures the beyond a reasonable doubt criterion (that) it increases the likelihood of getting the proper judgment So I think if anything it would have to be a very close to unanimous decision (A) I'd agree with that But I've never had the opportunity to serve on a jury although I've been out here and registered for (I) (guess) about five years (But) (B) I thought that that would be very interesting thing to do I would like to do that I've been out here twenty some years and I've been called three different times but I've never actually even made it into the jury box because there have always been a number of people and I've never gotten up there to answer any of the questions (I) (I) also think that would be really good (I) (A) the people I know who have served have said that usually what ends up happening is that after initially finding out where people stand that the whole deliberation usually results if there is (you) (know) something like a nine three or more severe and the people in the majority trying to convince the minority that they're (and) in fact I'm not sure that that's any more liable to get rid of the reasonable doubt than anything else (B) the one thing that I know does seem to happen from people I've talked to on this is that in the situation you just said where it's nine to three or some such number that there's starts being a lot of peer pressure going on (and) (that) (peer) (pressure) and in some cases if it's a long trial the desire of people to get out of there and not be stuck in there for a very long time (that) people are changing their minds for the wrong reasons (A) I'd read one book I think it was calls TRIAL BY JURY of all things that went through and interviewed a bunch of jurors in some of the big cases and in many cases looking at the evidence afterwards as to whether the decision was went back to the jurors based on the deliberations Some of them did say that when they were the only one left opposing the verdict everyone was getting on them so heavily that eventually they just gave in knowing that nothing they could do could stop it from either being the verdict everyone else was trying for or a hung jury because the one vote doesn't mean anything except the ability to not have a verdict (B) (I) (understand) you would hope that if you were in that situation that you'd have the moral fortitude to hold out if you believed that that was really the proper response I think of the movie TWELVE ANGRY MEN You ever seen that movie (A) once (B) it's exactly that situation where it's Henry Fonda and it's eleven to one and he's the one I believe he was opposed to the conviction and he held on (and)

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(B) (That) (sounds) (good) (A) we've been married for about ten years and we find out that no matter what kind of budget you stick on there's always going to be an unexpected car repair or something happen with the house that you have to have money for and not enough to go and to take a loan out (but) (you) (have) (to) (have) (money) (for) And then (we) (have) whatever's left over is discretionary income that we use for the rest of the month and it's worked out very well it's helped us so that we haven't been too long on the month and too short on the money (and) (B) (that's) (good) (A) (try) (and) (stick) (with) (that) (and) (nice) (thing) (about) (it) my wife is excellent in that we both work together we (both) have a budget and (we) stick to it (B) (good) (A) and there's no surprises in that (B) With two kids that could be hard (A) I have four kids (B) (Four) (A) I said a couple of kids I guess I should have specified (I) (have) (four) (B) (my) (goodness) (A) (four) (little) (boys) (B) (Four) (boys) (A) (You) (bet) (B) (my) (goodne-) (A) (You) (bet) (B) It's just me and my sister (A) (All) (B) And my parents divorced three years ago and my sister had gotten through college but I was still in high school and my mother paid for a lot of my sister's college while my parents were together (A) (Yes) (B) and then before the divorce she had saved for my college But when we had the divorce she just didn't get much money out of it and had to spend it all on getting another house So now my dad's paying for all of my college (of) (A) (good) (good) (B) And financial aid and scholarships I'm a music major so I have auditions coming up (A) (Yes) what year are you in in college (B) I'm a sophomore (A) (You're) (a) (sophomore) you have a few more years (B) I'll probably have about two and a half years left (A) (good) (for) (you) (Good) (for) (you) I imagine it is a little difficult to stick with a budget (during) (that) during school (and) (so) (it) (forth) (B) (it) (sure) (is) I know how much my dad is going to give me every two weeks (A) (Yes) (B) and I don't spend over that (A) (great) (great) And sometimes that's a little hard with books and music and sheet music and stuff you've got to work on too (B) (sure) there's always music (A) Lab fees and all (B) books to buy (A) (yes) (yes) you're not a starving artist yet are you (B) no (no) (no) (A) (Good) (B) I don't plan on being a starving artist (A) (good) (B) That's why I'm in college (A) there's enough of those in the world (Good) (good) I'm glad to hear that (Wendy) (W-) (B) That's usually because they're not real educated They can't afford to have a really good job (A) who's not very well educated (B) The starving ones (A) (yes) (yes) (B) There's enough out there that if you're educated enough then you can make money (A) (That's) (true) (that's) (true) I found that out So that's why I'm planning and preparing for the education of my children also try and set that money aside (B) What did you major in (A) I majored in business administration (B) (good) you know plenty about planning a budget (A) (but) (once) (again)

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(A) (All) (B) (Yes) (A) (Okay) How many kids do you have (B) I think we're going to talk about parents spending time with their children We have three children who are eleven nine and eight So this is the big issue with us Although I don't recall marking it on my little things to talk about but perhaps they are little for words to be said like day care and quality time (and) (Anyway) You don't have children (A) No (B) But you're married (A) we've been married for two and a half years We've been trying for about two years but no luck yet Hopefully (B) I know we're not supposed to do this long distance but I'm getting a call I wonder if I could possibly take it on call waiting Could I ask you to hold one minute I'll be back Excuse me (A) (Had-) (B) just a moment They're going to get mad (A) She had another call She has just three kids eleven nine and eight (B) (Hello) (I'm) (so) (sorry) (A) (All) (B) That was my daughter's Brownie leader telling me that there is a meeting tomorrow (A) (Okay) (B) (Brownie) (meeting) (A) (That) (keeps) (you) (bu-) do you have a lot of activities with your kids (B) (I) (don't) (want) (this) (to) (be) (a) (unilateral) (conversation) (but) yes we do Both my husband and I work and our children are sixth fourth and third grade And the school years are wonderful (they're) (just) (wonderful) (The) (kids) they are real people and they are interesting and they have all their own activities and (I) (think) as parents we really enjoy them in our personal situation our children have not yet decided to rebel (A) So they're pretty good kids (B) I'm sure that's coming though (But) (they) (are) (wonderful) (kids) (A) (we) (had) (ni-) (wh-) (growing) (up) (I) (guess) (I) (can) (talk) (about) (us) We had nine kids in our family (We) (had) eight boys and one girl (But) (my) (Dad) (B) (You) (had) (eight) (boys) (and) (one) (girl) (A) (And) (the) (time) (that) (we) (spent) (with) our Dad (was) (he) owned his own business so we worked with him most of the time (So) (that's) (how) (we) (spent) (most) (of) (the) (time) (with) (him) (B) Are you Mormons (That's) (what) (the) Utah and the large family (A) That was a dead giveaway (B) we're Catholics I came from a family of five I had four brothers the only girl And everyone always asked if the girl got spoiled (A) (that) (B) I never felt spoiled (In) (fact) I always thought my toys were destroyed (A) (I) (was) (going) (to) (say) my sister wasn't spoiled very much (B) No Usually busy fighting for survival (A) (that's) (But) (B) I do think with working parents (I) (mean) there are some real issues here (that) (I) (think) (I) (don't) (know) It's an interesting problem (I) (happen) (to) I'm a pediatrician My husband is a physician so I talk to parents about this a lot But (children) I think working mothers (or) (mothers) (who) (choose) (to) (work) (outside) (the) (home) need very early to come to grips with any guilt that they feel and decide what's best for them and their family And I feel when my children were very young I had jobs that helped me be flexible with my schedule and spend time with them (and) (all) (that) (sort) (of) (thing) And I long ago decided I'm a better mother because I work outside the home I really believe that And it has helped us to afford some things for our children that we couldn't otherwise that I think are wonderful particularly at this age and I think our kids are real secure And have a real sense of priorities and that they can do anything and be anything both male and female (a) (lot) so I know it sounds like a rationalization but I really think it's true for our family and I think it has worked very well (A) It's like you said to each his own And we're planning on having my wife stay home (but) (B) There's no question I think that's really the best if a woman is happy doing that I hate to put it quite that way I was twenty-nine when I had my first child and I would not have been real fulfilled I really would not have been totally staying home with a young child it's wonderful to be a mother but I like the way I did it I sort of worked half time I had very flexible hours I nursed all three of our children until they were at least a year (and) (I) you can do that despite working very easily which is one of the things I preach all the time to (to) mothers

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(A) Do you ever think that there's a crime that's just so heinous and so bad that the person who commits this crime just doesn't deserve to live anymore (B) (That's) (a) (good) (question) there was a point where I would have said no that no one would deserve to die for a crime that he committed But since I've become a parent and since I've seen things like Jeffrey Dahlmer I really have to question that I can't conceive of someone being that brutal to that many other people And try and figure out what would be a suitable punishment (A) Of the statements made by people against the death penalty I like the statement made by Cuomo Cuomo (I) (believe) is (he's) governor of New York but he's against the death penalty But he said that he would want to seriously hurt or if not kill someone if they did something to his wife (And) (that's) (but) even in that situation he would hope that there would be people around him who would keep him from doing the things (B) it's a question of your gut reactions to something like that versus an intelligent reason response (A) (exactly) (B) and that was the thing that killed Dukakis back four years ago when someone asked him a similar question and he thought for a second and gave a thoughtful well reasoned reply when people wanted to see if he was going to go for an emotion a gut level reaction And I think that the people who are strongly in favor of the death penalty are really working from that gut level whether it be a biblical force the eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth a life for a knife life type logic or just some sort of anger at (putting) (peop-) putting murderers up in federal pens for the rest of their life while we foot the bill I think people are working at that from more of a gut reaction than a reason humane one (A) I don't think the decisions that are going to be made on the death penalty until we decide what our prison system is intended to do Are they reformatories where we're trying to take people who can't survive or that aren't conforming enough to society so that we work well together Or are they is it a penal institution is it designed for punishment the death penalty surely fits in well in a penal situation where you're trying to punishment perhaps not in the manner that we do it but in theory it fits in in a reformatory if you put someone to death you obviously can't reform them (B) (That's) (true) the other argument is that the death penalty is a deterrent and I really don't agree with that I don't think anyone who would commit a crime that would get them the death penalty would stop at the moment and say I was about to kill and dismember this person but if they catch me they're going to kill me so I better not do it (I) (just)

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(A) They have (They) (have) They moved it up to the county north of here it's in Ventura and there's still quite a bit of publicity obviously and it's kind of debatable whether you could get a fair trial almost anywhere (because) (that) (B) that videotape was just horrible (A) It was everywhere (B) (Yes) (A) and I think it would be very difficult to find a panel that would not have seen it and known of what was going on (B) I agree with you but I can't imagine that they would do an all white jury without having some sort of discrimination or (you) (know) appeal on not having a jury of his peers and all of that kind of stuff (A) (Exactly) (the) I'm kind of torn on this issue It's like they're saying on the one hand he's not getting a jury of his peers which is in some ways I think true But on the other hand it's also saying that white jurors are not going to convict they're not going to do their job Which is the whole point of being on a jury is to convict or let go based on whether (B) (Exactly) (A) or not the person whether or not the evidence says (B) (Based) (on) (fact) (A) that there's enough (B) (How) (interesting) what's the prevailing thought within the community you know what the news media is going to make of it but what about the community (A) (They) I guess it depends on who you talk to I haven't talked to a whole lot of black people on it but I rather imagine there's some snickering about it And a lot of the usually fatalistic here we go again folks kind of stuff (B) (my) (goodness) That can't be good for Los Angeles either (A) (No) (no) (I) (you) (know) on the one hand you almost hope that they convict them because they have that very strong piece of physical evidence showing (B) (exactly) (A) these people beating the heck out of this guy (B) Unfortunately that kind of thing is not limited to a big city like Los Angeles You're going to have it just about anywhere (There) But that's interesting What about the judge who's hearing the case Is he going to be impartial Is he going to be a good adjudicator (A) I don't know and again there's something else along those lines There was a girl out here named Latausha Harlins I don't know if it's got as much notoriety but it's rather almost as infamous here as it was with the Rodney King problem a girl walked into a Korean owned store (and) (she) (had) (a) (dispute) (black) (girl) she had some kind of a dispute over some orange juice with the owner of the store The owner of the store popped her (B) (really) (A) and of course (they) the criminal case went up and the judge gave the woman who shot the girl practically a suspended sentence (it) (was) (B) (my) (goodness) (A) it was just she gave her no time in jail all of these things and then (we) (have) (these) we have people (wondering) (around) (to-) with petitions trying to get the judge (B) To get that judge recalled I would think That's almost when you kind of wish that there where standardized sentences (A) it would make life easier (B) (It) (would) (A) (But) (B) the whole world would know what you were facing And then it's a matter of deciding

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(A) (Okay) I used to work in a day care center I worked in all the different areas of the day care center and they can be deceiving to people I did not work there long because I couldn't handle the treatment that the children got and this is supposed to be a very well-known center here in Tyler who had two or three centers all over the city and they would be one way when the parents were there and be another way when the parents left I think (you) (know) if you do day care centers you should make frequent checks to check in on them when they're not expecting it Because they do things differently when you're not around (so) (B) (that) I know (wh-) the things that we kind of looked at is you want to see how many teachers you have and how many kids they have and how they break it up Because we had one that sounds kind of like what you were in it was a really good one and in fact it worked out for us because we kind of bartered My wife did artwork for them you know so we got our day care free But they didn't have enough teachers (and) (A) this one was set up good they had two teachers to every room sometimes three And they had a good system so when you walked in everything looks cool The problem I had was that they did not show affection to the children enough (They) (did) (not) (show) (them) (care) (to) (these) (small) (children) (who) (are) (being) (left) (they) one time I picked up this little boy who was crying and the owner came and just chewed me up one side down the other he said you are going to have every child in here wanting you to pick them up And I said no this child was crying and needed some comfort what is your problem (B) did they separate them by age group (A) (Yes) (B) Because you know I think that's one thing that was important (A) they had the babies that didn't walk in one room The ones that were starting to walk in one room Then they had the three year olds upper fours lower fours upper fives lower fives just like that they really did separate them well (B) (it) (sound) (A) It was just the teachers themselves (B) It sounds like (to) (me) your concern would be to make sure that they are loving people (A) (But) (that) (they're) (not) (B) (Affectionate) (people) (that) (they're) (they're) (kind) (of) (par-) (A) (Their) (system) (B) may be parents themselves or something (A) (but) their system was great (but) (you) (know) the caring just wasn't there The one woman that did the babies I worked with her and she was fabulous She loved them babies (and) (she) (loved) (them) and cared for them But every one of the others that I saw was just screaming and yelling and would make me a nervous wreck (B) I think that's probably a really important thing because you can have doctorates and P H D's (and) (all) (that) (kind) (of) (thing) and know all the technical stuff but if they don't reach out and touch the kids then that doesn't do any good (A) these kids are just in a day care center all day and with any type of emotional getting care they're just there Going through this routine (B) (An-) (A) which is lousy (B) (the) (other) (group) (that) (we) (had) (was) (kind) (of) (interesting) The other one we went to it was a husband and wife team and we knew them from other associations but it was (kind) (of) interesting because she was (kind) (of) the strict one and I think she'd put her arm around the kids and talk to them and stuff but he was actually the more demonstrative type The more loving he would laugh with the kids and play with the kids (and) (and) (i-) (it) (was) (kind) (of) (interesting) (to) (see) (that) that it was actually the man in the group (that) that did that side of it (An-) (A) you don't see that much (B) so they had a really nice balance We liked that one In fact it was called Humpty Dumpty Play School or something (A) (That's) (cute) (B) but they also did some of the teaching things and (then) (they) (had) obedience was important (A) that has to be with a day care center (B) (you) (know) (so) I think they used the you probably heard (you) (know) where you stand in front of the clock and get your power back to control yourself (A) I've never heard of that (that's) (a) (new) (one) (B) (And) (it's) (one) (A) (on) (me) (B) I can't remember what they call it actually but you just stand them in front of a clock and it has a second-hand that goes around And they have to stand there

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(A) in the Mideast (B) we tend to be pretty strong supporters of Israel ourselves we kind of cringe when they make mistakes but yet overall tend to support them But I think one of the most interesting things to me recently was during the war in Kuwait was the fact that they did not retaliate for the scud missiles that were launched there That just seemed to me to be a phenomenal demonstration of restraint and it must have reflected some awful good diplomacy on the part of the U S (A) but on the other hand if they would have had a hard time retaliating because you know they wouldn't have been given access to the friend or foe codes (B) (I) (see) (A) through two enemies (B) you don't think they got the codes from the U S already (A) The U S would claim that they would have not given them to them (B) (I) (see) (A) (of) (course) (public) (statements) (can) (be) (taken) (for) (B) (That's) (true) (yet) (they) (A) (D-) (B) (what) (do) (y-) what about this situation with (you) (know) the continual harassment by Iraq now and apparently failing to let the arms inspectors have free access (A) to begin with I pretty much question what the U S -s motives were in actually the original involvement (I) the cynical side of me says that it was more for the domestic political situation than for anything else (B) (okay) (A) (you) (know) and for portraying Bush is a strong President (B) (Sure) (A) my gut feeling is that he pretty much picked the fight with Hussein I'm not saying at all that Hussein wasn't quite willing to enter that fight But I think that we chose to have our official feelings hurt (Where) (a) (lot) (w-) (B) do you think that we should ignore it and just allowed him to go ahead and move on into Kuwait and see what happens (A) I think that in the past we've allowed lots of things like that to happen And (I) (really) (don't) (think) (that) I think (it) (was) there were a lot more demographic related interests involved than true foreign policy interests (B) may have been I'm not saying that that's not the case (A) And along this line (since) it really didn't accomplish very much except we're getting the Iraqis out of Kuwait I don't foresee Bush making the decision to invest a lot of manpower and money (and) in fighting a second battle (B) (No) (A) over what probably won't accomplish much for him politically (B) (No) it doesn't look like we're getting ready to do much more in there Even at this point (what) (about) do you have any views on Israel's relation to the U S Do you think we ought to back off on our support of the country (or) (what) (do) (yo-) (A) I have very fixed feelings about Israel (I) (think) (that) (for) (a) (long) (while) (we've) (had) (almost) (a) (ha-) (t-)

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(A) what's our topic (B) Taxes (A) (Taxes) (B) Do we pay too much (do) (we) (A) What do you do I guess (that) it all depends really on what kind of bracket you're in (B) My tax bracket is pretty high up there I generally pay the maximum tax bracket And I think that we're paying too much because I don't have any children And I pay a lot of property taxes (A) (sure) (B) (you) (know) I don't use an awful lot of city services (It) (it) (it's) (like) (I) (have) (to) (work) (m-) I have to work all the time just to make enough money to pay the taxes And there's so many people who want a dib of the federal money or the state money (or) (whatever) (it) (is) (and) (I) (just) many times I end up feeling like I'm paying too much in taxes (How) (about) (you) Do you pay too much (A) no I can't really complain I'm a student and I work as a co-op at Georgia Tech Research Institute And I'm going to get back (I) (mean) most of what I pay in taxes and (B) (when) (you) (A) one of my parents is still claiming me (B) (when) (you) (go) (out) (into) (the) when you go out into the working world it changes quickly (A) (I'm) (sure) (B) you look at your paycheck and you go my gosh where did it all go (what) (kind) (of) (have) (you) (pay) (a) (lot) (of) (in) (ta-) have you been out working and then gone back to school or did you go directly from high school into college (A) (I) (went) I did work for some time but I didn't make enough money (to) (really) (make) (B) (To) (worry) (about) (it) (A) (too) (much) (of) (a) (difference) (B) have you been active in politics concerning this Have you worked on political action committees or something like that (A) (No) (no) I haven't (B) I haven't done any of that type of work (myself) but every once in a while (when) I hear (up) (here) in D C area one of the radio stations has been talking about (the) Congress Congress has added (too) towards the Members Bank (there) (there's) a bank that they all bank with and (I) (guess) it went defunct recently And one of the Congressmen has written in the last three years about a thousand bad checks And we (the) taxpayers float him a loan for all those bad checks no interest no repayment schedule (A) (Really) (B) And it's causing quite a stir (up) here because we're so close to D C (anyway) It's really kind of curious to watch this thing occur (A) (sure) (B) I think we pay too much And I look at my paycheck (and) I (make) (let's) (see) They take out in state and federal taxes I think I pay forty-two percent (A) (Wow) (B) Forty-two cents out of every dollar I make goes to the government and then they charge (me) sales tax and (they) (charge) (me) gasoline taxes (A) (taxes) (B) and they charge me all these others and it's just too expensive I can't believe that I'm just thankful (that) I don't get all the government that I pay for (You) (know) (what) (I) (mean) have you used student loans and things like that that were guaranteed by the government (A) (No) (no) I haven't my father pays for my tuition I haven't made use of that (B) What are you studying (down) (there)

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(A) are you working now (B) yes I am I'm working in the computer science department here at C M U (A) what kind of work do you do (B) I'm doing basically system design work and implementation work for the speech group here (A) (Wh-) is that how you heard about this thing (B) actually through electronic mail (A) Me too I work at the Georgia Tech Research Institute I'm a co-op student so I work and go to school about halftime And I really don't have any job benefits to speak of (We're) (kind) (of) (I) (don't) (know) they just (kind) (of) forget us on that end We don't really have any vacation or sick days or health care or anything really (so) (B) So it's pretty fair they've got you slaving away (A) (Exactly) (B) at this point (A) (Exactly) What about you (B) I'm research stuff here now so they have okay benefits package It's not quite as good as industry but one of the significant benefits here is that you can take up to two courses a semester and they pay for (pay) (for) the classes So Carnegie Mellon that works out to be a reasonable benefit (A) they do that I think if you're research here then I know of some of the people that have gotten their masters and I think that they might pay for that Pay for the classes and stuff but I know they'll let you decrease how many hours you work by kind of percentage they'll let you work halftime if you want to finish (B) If you want to (A) (you) (want) (to) (B) do it quickly (A) They'll let you (work) decrease your number of hours by any percentage just about (so) if you want to get your masters (and) (then) (I) (think) of course with your extra degrees you get a pay raise due so that will probably help out (But) (B) So I don't know in terms of other things other benefits other than (sort) (of) monetary (you) (know) (I) (A) Do you get any kind of health care type stuff (B) we do We have to contribute a certain amount to it And it's kind of split between C M U (and) (and) the employee (A) (I) (think) that's a pretty important part of it there because that can be really expensive if you ever have any health problems (I) (think) (my) I'm still covered with my dad's health plan where he works (but) it would definitely be something to look into once I get my own (B) and now (it's) (the) like everywhere else here in Pittsburgh the health care rates are going up pretty quickly That's a whole other topic (A) (They) (have) (B) to begin with too (but) but (you) (are) I really agree that that's pretty important (A) (I) guess the only real benefit (I) (guess) you could say working here besides (I'm) learning and stuff because (I'm) (you) (know) (in) (school) (But) there's some weird law where student employees working for the government don't have to pay Social Security tax (Though) (B) (Now) (that's) (a) (big) (win) (A) that's about five percent there (so) (B) (That's) (A) That's about the only real bonus so I have to take that into consideration when I evaluate how much I get paid (real) because if I was working somewhere else I'd have to pay an extra five percent or so (B) (I) (figured) (for) (and) they've just raised the income caps on Social Security to the point where you have to be pretty well off before you stop paying paying that as well if you could call it a benefit that C M U (i-) the other thing that they allow you to do here while you are working (is) is consult for other companies so that kind of helps out in terms of keeping up-to-date with contacts in industry in case (A) (help) (a) (lot) (B) in case you ever need to bail out (A) around here it's like we pretty much work from project to project well (you) (know) with different sponsors there is not a whole lot of funded research from

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(B) (it) (really) (ultimately) (is) (not) (penalizing) (the) (person) (that) (they're) (trying) (for) (get) (away) (A) (That's) (true) (B) If it's a company you know that they're insured Unless the award is so staggering that it goes (all) beyond their layers of insurance which is another pet peeve of mine when they do award punitive damages I think those should be uninsurable I think those should have to be paid by the corporation itself (that) (A) (out) (of) (thei-) (r-) (B) (that) (did) (the) (damage) (A) As opposed to the insurance paying the bills (we're) (B) for honest mistakes where they've done something and something happens One of their employees causes damage or something (A) (Wh-) (B) That's what they buy insurance for (A) (Who) (who) do they get (they) (get) (insured) (they) (get) insured from other insurance companies or how does that work (B) I was just talking about any company (A) (okay) (your) (talking) (about) (corpor-) (B) let's just say a lumber manufacturing company and (A) (Sure) (B) somebody is on the premises and one of the employees actually is driving by with a forklift and he pushes the wrong button and he drops a load of lumber on somebody and it injures (A) (Okay) (B) them (Sure) Insurance should pay for that (A) But in some instances you're going to put companies out of business by taking that stance if they have to take it out of their own retained earnings (B) I'm not talking about any loss I was talking about only losses that are judged for a punitive damage which is another category (of) the juries (are) awarding damages these days based on the person's actual injuries and what they are due And then they are awarding a second amount as punishment to the company which is usually a lot less But it's an amount (their) designed to sting them a little (for) (their) (A) (That) (B) negligence (A) (For) (th-) (B) For gross wanton negligence in a claim And unfortunately (the) lately the courts have been deciding that those could be paid for by insurance too So again it never really penalizes (A) (That) (will) (B) the company doing the wrong They can go on doing the same old thing they always used to And if they know some practice is wrong I'm not talking about your isolated occurrences I'm talking more about (you) (know) the thing that they know maybe they're willfully manufacturing something that they know is hurting people out there and they continue to do it even after they become aware (A) (Sure) (B) of that (A) (Okay) (B) Then I think they ought to have to pay something out of their own pocket

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(A) you don't want to have thirty or forty kids and only one adult Then something happens and the adult wouldn't be able to accommodate or take care of the kids very well And they also want to make sure that the kids are being taught and not just playing around all the time (So) depends also upon the level of the child we take a very close look at finding a good preschool for our kid And I kind of relate (that) to that in making sure that the teachers are very well educated themselves They have a good curriculum and that they're willing to teach the kids and have a fun time with them And it's very important I feel that the kids interact with other children also it's a good way to develop relationships with other kids their age and get to know and work with kids (So) (I) (don't) (know) I guess we're kind of in the same boat We haven't had to look very carefully for child care (B) I kind of think that some of our friends or even our own children will be in a situation where they may need to look for child care But even (here) I guess we have in one sense two forms of child care There's where individuals will in one primarily babysit children in their own home And that will be groups of anywhere from one or two to (maybe) seven or eight children And then otherwise there will be the majority are co-operative day-cares people form a co-op and parents will work in the co-op and put a fair number of hours Frequently they will hire staff to be at the day-care and the emphasis is primarily someplace for the children to be But at the same time there's some fairly good training programs and some of them formal two year programs so that there is some definite creative play good social interaction that kind of thing (A) (I) (think) (it's) (important) (Like) (you) (mentioned) that's a good idea on the parent co-op because I'm very concerned about the welfare of my kids and I don't want to just take them to somebody I pick out of the yellow pages or out of some ad somewhere I want to trust the people And you hear on the T V and you read the newspaper quite often of people that don't treat or take care of your kids the way you think they ought to be taken care of And hope to never get into that situation (where) (we) (have) (to) (find) (somebody) (and) (we) (have) (to) (trust) (someone) (with) (the) (welfare) (of) (our) (children) And hope that we can stay in this situation for awhile (So) (B) we've even had some of those (kinds) (of) situations publicized here and (I) (guess) it's typically whether it's been child care in a home or in a larger situation where actually it's more of an institution And you've actually got children that most people would consider problem children and it's more of a group home rather than actually day-care type of facility (A) (That's) (true) (that's) (true) Steven it's been

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(A) (Okay) before a couple of years ago I had a very narrow view of nursing homes and it was more like a funeral home I always joked around about it being a funeral home and not really a nursing home And then I had to do some volunteer work here in Tyler Texas and I went to one and it just had a very good activities director Everyone was cheerful and now I don't have such a bad view of nursing homes anymore But I certainly wouldn't want to send my parent unless it was an absolute last resort I have a sister that is in nursing school and she's real interested in geriatrics (B) (that) (sounds) (good) (A) she's real interested in what Ann Richards has been doing Ann Richards is really cracking down on the nursing homes and you wouldn't know anything about a Texas governor (B) I've heard the name and that's about all it goes (A) (Okay) Ann Richards is our governor in Texas and she's really cracking down on restrictions and what goes on in nursing homes And my sister's real interested in that and getting into that side of nursing (B) That's one problem with the nursing home environment the elderly even out of the nursing home are very open to abuse they don't always have their full wits about them (They're) (not) (completely) (up) (on) (what) (should) (be) (going) (on) (or) (what's) (not) (going) (on) And it can be pretty sad I've had a grandmother who had a stroke And she was in a nursing home for four or five years before she died And it's the type of thing that she was living down in Florida My families was up in Maryland and the other part of her family was up in New York state (And) it was very difficult for (either) them or my grandfather to take care of her since she (you) (know) could not do very much for herself after the stroke (And) the nursing home was the best facility to put her in (besides) (moving) (her) (up) which is not a practical solution since both my parents (work) and (both) (my) aunts and uncle (work) (Which) (means) (it's) (very) (difficult) (for) (some-) you essentially need to have someone taking care of the person full-time (And) there's also a lot of medical problems that can't always be completely handled in the home Which makes it (it's) a necessary evil (I) (think) (A) (It) (sure) (is) (And) some of the really nice ones that (really) take care of their people are so expensive Because (cause) they can afford to hire the people that are (really) going to care for the older (B) And even there you have to watch out for you get one person who's a little bit dishonest working in there (and) the elderly sometimes have a lot of jewelry and other stuff that just very easily tends to disappear in the nursing homes (A) My grandfather passed away several years ago I was much younger But he was in the nursing home the last several years of his life and someone visited him every day My grandmother did But if she couldn't someone visited him every day It was in a very small town nursing home And people didn't get paid much there at all They didn't care about what went on They would let a patient get a lot of bed sores And the people living in the nursing home would have all kinds of needs that wouldn't get met because they were just old people (And) then the nurses and doctors really didn't put forth any loving care for them (B) Either that or they're just so understaffed that they can't afford to put in the care that they need Cause (it's) an elderly person (can) it's like a newborn baby You need to have twenty-four hour care answering all the needs cause they can't do much for themselves at certain points (A) And nurses get so worn down (B) And there's a number of the elderly are very complaining because they remember the way that things used to be And remember being able to do things for themselves which they no longer can (A) (sure) (And) (they) (feel) (B) And it very (very) hard for them to accept that (A) they feel pretty helpless (B) We just moved my grandfather into not a nursing home but a transitional type facility (A) Is it like a retirement center (B) More of a retirement home He's got his own efficiency apartment (And) they provide one meal a day (And) the rest of the housekeeping and other meals a day are up to him But they do have group activities going on (A) How's he handling that (B) he'd much rather be living alone in his apartment down in Florida (to) (move) (into) (that) (facility) we moved him (from) (Florida) up to Maryland and it's a bit of a shock to the system weather-wise if nothing else (A) (sure) There wasn't anything like that that you could do in Florida (B) there was (stuff) (like) (that) (in) (Florida) but

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(A) what's the old country music like (B) (like) (Hank) (Williams) Like the old Hank Williams (even) (Hank) (Williams) Junior is real good stuff The kind that (A) (okay) (B) (this) (stuff) makes you cry it sounds so sad (you) (d-) (A) That's the kind you like you mean (B) sometimes I do not all the time (A) (okay) (I) (guess) I like the blues a lot and (I) (guess) you could say it's similar as far as (B) (Yes) (And) (I) (A) the way they do it (B) I (I) do too I also like jazz (A) Me too (I) (guess) I like except heavy metal and most rap I don't like (B) you're about like I am then I can't watch M T V anymore I used to love M T V (A) (okay) (B) And I can barely watch anymore because they have this heavy metal stuff on there and (you) (know) I can't like that and I liked Aerosmith and Led Zepplin and (A) (Okay) (B) (and) (jeez) (who) (else) (is) (there) Van Halen (A) (Okay) (B) I like groups like that (But) (when) (you) (get) I even like Guns and Roses some of their stuff But some of these groups now like Slaughter (A) (I) (really) (haven't) (listened) (to) (that) (B) Some of them are just really rough (so) (you) (went) (to) (school) (then) (in) I'm surprised you didn't go to any parties or anything where they were playing a lot of music or stuff (or) (A) I used to a long time ago but since I've started back into school now I haven't really done that much I've been pretty busy (B) (Okay) (A) (but) so no I haven't (you) (know) I used to go out and dance a lot but I don't do that anymore either (B) (I) (see) Are you married at all (A) No (B) (Okay) (A) I've just been real busy with lots of other things (B) how old are you (A) Twenty-eight (B) (Okay) you went to school for awhile and quit Then went back (A) no I went to school and got a degree and then I worked for awhile And then I started back a year and a half ago Changed directions (B) (okay) (A) How old are you (B) I'm twenty-eight I was born in sixty-three (I) (guess) (we're) (A) (okay) (All) (B) the same age then (A) And I didn't really start getting into music until I went to college because my parents didn't really have music in the house Put it that way (B) rea- Were they religious (A) Yes (B) I see (I) (A) I'm always behind I'm never really up to date on all that stuff But I know what I like when I like a sound (A) (certain) (kind) (of) (sound) (B) (okay) (A) But I like the early seventies late sixties rock (B) (okay) (A) Kind of stuff the old stuff (And) (B) (so) (do) (I) Do you like Van Halen or anything like that Or how about Brian Adams (A) (Bri-) what kind of music (is) (does) what (B) (it) (A) songs does he play (B) THIS LOVE CUTS LIKE A KNIFE SUMMER OF SIXTY-NINE (A) I think I've heard SUMMER OF SIXTY-NINE (B) (He) (sings) (that) he's from Canada (A) (Okay) I'm not very good at remembering the (B) (The) titles and artists (A) titles but I can remember the song (B) do (do) you watch music television M T V at all Or V H One (A) No I don't watch T V much at all (B) (Okay) do you get cable (A) No (B) (okay) (that's) (A) (No) (B) you have to get cable to get those stations anyhow But I like to watch rock and roll videos and any kind of videos I like watching that kind of thing (It's) (A) Do you like someone recent Like Enya Have you ever head of her She's not rock (but) (B) No I haven't heard her (A) she's from Ireland (B) (okay) (A) And she's been on the top ten (I) (guess) (or) (whatever) (B) (really) (A) (she) (did)

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(A) (Okay) (B) (Okay) Mark our situation is that we do have a daughter that is in the situation of choosing college She's actually at Bible College for this current year And (I) (guess) first and foremost (really) it's a question of what the student wants to have in the way of a career and then which colleges or universities can best offer that program and then it comes down to the dollar (You) (have) (to) it's whether or not you're a resident for that jurisdiction or (it) (does) it comes down to trying to come with a trade off of the costs (what) (do) (you) (feel) (about) (come) (of) (the) (things) (that) (need) (to) (A) (Damn) (it) () (I) (agree) (pretty) (much) (with) (everything) (you've) (said) the one thing that (you) (know) I'd advise any parent or any person looking for a college is that I think it's really important for them to actually visit the college and actually try and get away from the guided tour of the college and try and talk to the actual students there because (they're) (just) in my experience I've talked to people at other colleges that the lifestyle pictured in the catalogs isn't always the whole story (B) (No) (y-) (the) (college) the catalogs are sales material It doesn't matter whether they're selling school and true it really is helpful if a parent and the student can get there and see the real character (of) (the) (school) and the real life experiences of the school (I) (guess) (there's) (a) (difference) (in) (here) (the) (at) (least) the university (here) in Saskatoon is primarily off campus resident students they just live in the community I know that there are a lot of colleges and universities particularly as they get to be a little bit on the smaller side where dormitory life (is) is on campus as well and (you) (know) that changes the character of it quite a bit (A) I go to Georgia Tech which is primarily an engineering school and I think I really do miss the fact that it's not a university (that) (there's) (not) (the) it tends to be a very conservative school and there doesn't seem to be the diversity of views that a lot of universities will have (B) (I) (guess) (we're) (here) this is the university that has for years had the car that will travel the farthest on a small quantity of gas our engineering students in competitions and that's the kind of thing that also if you can see the kinds of achievements that have been made by students as well as graduates can give you idea of the character of the school whether you've got a spirit of innovation and excellence or whether you've got a spirit of somewhat unkind but producing graduates as sort of some development and some training it's easy enough to crank out graduates but to really challenge them and that can vary between colleges and faculties even as to (you) (know) what the attitude towards achievement is do you have anyone that you're seriously needing to feed information to I suppose if you're actually at Georgia Tech as a student you're a ways away from that (A) I don't really know of anyone that's looking for colleges now with the exception of people's younger brothers and sisters Then the only advise passed down is don't go to Georgia Tech but no actually I'm more interested in choosing the job when you graduate type information (B) that's really a valid point that people need to consider as well (to) going to university is going to take four to eight years depending on the (A) (Program) (B) programs person's involved in and after that you have to be out in the real world and have to be able to support yourself and if you go in an area that there is just not much of a job market (jeez) (if) (that's) (A) like a fine arts education (I) (B) Best training in the world is not going to put food on your table (But)

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(A) (I) (don't) (believe) (that) (we're) (B) what do you think about recycling programs in Atlanta Julie (A) The recycling program here is just terrible it's hard to find places to go Kroger does a couple things do they do newspapers (B) I don't know there's big bins out there (I) (don't) (know) (if) (they) (ever) (get) I really don't know what the details are There should be someplace where you could call and find out As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure there's a place you can call and find out the closest thing to you but I think there should be some kind of curbside service (That's) (the) (only) (way) (I) (could) (really) (A) The one in Florida is so cool because they pick up everything They pick up newspapers and milk jugs and aluminum and tin cans like soup comes in and stuff (They) (pick) (up) (everything) (B) During the summers around where I live the homeless people (see-) (they) all have shopping carts and stuff and they're go around and collect cans and aluminum (and) (stuff) and so we used to just save them up and then they'd come around and we'd give them to them But when during the winter time I think they move south or something so I don't do that anymore And the recycling at Georgia Tech like that outside the student center they never empty those things (A) (I) (know) (it) (I) (know) (it) (B) They just overflow (A) It piles up (B) (what's) (a) (guy) (to) (do) (A) I just don't know (B) (I) (asked) (myself) (A) (I) (just) (don't) (know) (and) now they have bins and stuff that are a little more convenient because until seven o'clock you got to pay to park at the student center you can't really unload all your stuff (B) Really that's true hadn't thought about that That is very inconvenient (Inconvenient) (even) (A) I know it (I) (know) (it) (B) But you do recycle don't you I'm kind of bad about it (A) (The) (B) if I see a pile of cans or bottles or something I'll throw it in there but I don't ever take anything (A) (it's) (real) you ought to because the farmer's market recycles absolutely everything And since we go there all the time (B) (But) (wait) (A) (probably) (at) (all) (B) I've never seen you before Who are you (A) by the way may name's Julie (B) my name's Bill (A) Hi (B) Hi (A) I'm from Atlanta (B) Me too (A) (Neat) (B) (Crazy) is there anything else you'd like to share me about your recycling philosophy Julie (A) I just think that everybody ought to do it (B) (Do) (they) (do) (what) (about) what kind of plastic stuff can you recycle do you know (A) The only thing I know that you can recycle is milk jugs (B) Really What about like those grocery bags (A) (they) (have) (what) (I) (used) (to) now that I don't go to the grocery store much it's kind of moot but I used to just save up the ones that I got one time and then go and hand them to them the next time and use them over and over but also most places like Big Star does and I'm not sure if Kroger does or not (but) (B) They'll ask you whether you want bags or paper or plastic (A) and they have little boxes that you can put your old bags in (Can) (bring) (them) (in) (B) Those petroleum products are going to kill us (A) I know it (I) (know) (it) (B) The hostile planet I think Julie (A) It really is a small (hostile) (planet) (B) I mean those petroleum products I think are (the) (big) (A) (Did) (you) (know) (that) (B) the great Satan of the recycling (A) No really not Did you know that something like fifty percent of the world's landfills is paper (Filled) (with) (paper) (B) Paper just seems so innocuous Paper doesn't seem threatening at all (A) it is though (B) It comes from trees How can it be bad (A) (It) (is) (because) (they) (B) They treat it with chemicals or something Why can't trees break down I don't get it (A) they do treat paper with chemicals yellow paper takes something like twenty times as long to decompose you can bury a piece of yellow paper it will still be there in a couple of weeks (B) Really (A) it will be whole You'll be able to read (B) I'm going to switch (A) off of it (B) from those yellow legal pads then I'm glad you told me that because I use those (at) (work) where I work and But I can just (A) (W-) (B) forget that from now on I'm going to switch to the white ones (A) white paper's bad too they treat it too (B) what about papyrus made out of you know bamboo stuff from the (A) (I'm) (sure) (that's) (fine) (B) (from) (the) (A) (I'm) (sure) (B) banks of the Nile (A) Maybe we ought to just start carving in stone again (B) You think so (A) Maybe (B) Tablets I think we should just abandon (you) (know) the written word (A) You think (B) altogether (A) I don't know (B) What do you think (A) I think we've (kind) (of) (everybody) (everybody) (B) (Kind) (of) (radical) (I) (know) (but) (A) everybody has a computer We would no longer need (B) (That's) (true) (A) paper at all (B) Everyone had a two way wrist watch T V -s on their wrist like Dick Tracy (A) I would love that

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(A) (Hi) do you think you get good coverage from the sources that you have (B) actually no because I'm in school I (kind) (of) miss out on most (of) (the) current events I just catch the major ones off the news or if someone starts to talk about it (A) Do you watch a lot of T V to get the news then (B) I don't watch a lot of it but (that's) (the) (on-) basically that's my only major source of information what about you (A) (I) (read) (I) (get) (a) (bunch) (of) (different) (things) I get a newspaper every day and I try to at least have a few minutes to look through that and (I) (look) (through) I get a NEWSWEEK (every) (week) which I pretty much read that cover to cover and (I) (as) (far) (as) that satisfies most of the short term news I get don't watch much T V (don't) (have) (enough) (time) and don't listen to the radio too much especially the news channels (or) (anything) (like) (that) they might give you (a) little blurbs like (this) (happened) (or) (that) (happened) (and) (that's) (about) (all) (I) (ever) (hear) (of) (it) (but) most of my news probably comes from NEWSWEEK (and) (for) (the) (longer) (term) (I) (read) SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN (and) READERS' DIGEST and some of those other types of magazines that (come) (out) (which) (they) the news isn't immediate what you'd generally think of as news but it's recent material (B) And it's more in depth (A) (it) (is) (more) (in) (depth) less broad (it's) (probably) (isn't) (less) (broad) (but) (it's) (just) (more) (in) (depth) (and) it is more just significant information It is the big events not the little events Not the fact that there was a big auto accident down on the corner of Broad and Main (B) (I) (know) (where) they're just trying to fill in (A) (Yes) (or) they're making time (because) (they) to fill in an hour's worth of news I get (kind) (of) bored watching T V (actually) when I watch the news (on) (T) (V) (because) (B) (I) (know) I do too (A) it goes so slow and (then) there's nothing that (really) is so exciting (B) you may find one little news item interesting so you have to wait twenty minutes to hear about it (A) that's about what it ends up being Listen to the news to hear the traffic report or something (B) you mention NEWSWEEK I do like U S NEWS AND WORLD REPORT I don't get to read it as much as I like but (I) (think) that's a good magazine (A) I think they're about the same (they) (certainly) (have) (a) (very) (similar) (charter) (at) (least) (in) (my) (mind) (And) what kind of news normally interests you (what) (do) (you) (find) (interesting) versus what do you find boring (B) now trying to keep abreast of what's going on in Europe with all the U S S R's satellites breaking off trying to become independent and European community coming together That's going to affect our economy quite a bit (A) I think it will they keep claiming it's going to have a big influence but we've yet to see it (and) (th-) it's real short term yet though it's only been three months or something like that since that happened But they like to tell us that it's going to be important (B) I'm pretty sure it is because (A) (I) (think) (it) (is) (too) (B) once Europe becomes unified and their economy becomes one big economy we're going to be kind of hurting (A) I think that's a possibility we might also be helped though because it will be easier to do business over there too (B) (definitely) (A) For the companies that already have a presence over there and I know of at least one company that specifically went over there and established a presence before nineteen ninety-two so that they would have it when it came time (B) (so) (they) (have) (a) (toe) (hold) (I) (good) (toe) hold (A) Because once you're in there then you can easily expand But getting in after nineteen ninety-two is more difficult (B) because when they first start off they're going to be highly protectionist (A) Yes And there's already a lot of evidence that they are being very protectionist even amongst themselves (they're) (being) (somewhat) (protectionist) England doesn't want to do one thing and Sweden doesn't want to do other thing and they've all got their own reasons which have to be resolved yet And some of it is I'm sure within those people's minds it's quite justified (B) I can understand their viewpoint they're starting off their economy's a little bit weak so you want to get established before they (A) (Before) (they) (B) (com-) (A) open up their borders to everyone (B) totally (A) what (is) (the) do you watch anything with sports or anything like that (B) I'm not really into sports My roommates are so unfortunately I forced to watch quite a bit of sports (A) (Against) (your) (will) (B) we have to fight over the remote control (A) at least you guys have a remote control It's sometimes better to not have one of those Course you can always mislocate it misplace it and

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(A) I don't think anybody pays too little (B) No I would tend to agree very highly I think that we're all paying a little bit too much taxes and not seeing too much good come out of it (A) Do you get hit up for local taxes there (B) we sure do Here in Indiana we pay county income tax state income tax we pay five percent sales tax you name it they tax it (A) so you get the whole smorgasbord (B) (That's) (we) (A) I actually live in New Hampshire tax free or die (B) Which is probably pretty nice but I'll bet that means your state sales tax is pretty high (A) No actually there's no sales tax in New Hampshire either (B) There's no sales tax either (A) No what there is is very high property taxes because that's how they fund schools (and) (everything) The only problem is I work in Massachusetts so they they hit me up for the five percent there (B) Taxachusetts (A) (but) (it) (we) it's only a state tax here no local We've got a five percent sales tax (But) the problem is that I'm paying state tax even if I don't live here (But) at least on things like stock options (and) (things) (like) (that) they don't tax me So that's not too bad (B) (No) I really think that here in Indiana at least we pay just too much tax I worked in a factory last summer and on the average I was losing twenty percent of every paycheck to taxes and I don't feel that I really get a whole lot of return from that I don't utilize (you) (know) (it) really any government welfare services Of course I drive on the roads and I went to (the) schools (and) (stuff) but I really feel that I'm just getting overtaxed (A) I'd consider twenty percent lucky because (I) (mean) (you) (know) when you figure out just on feds I actually hit the thirty-one bracket this year which was no fun (B) No that's that's not any fun (A) (and) also then you figure out seven or eight percent for F I C A which is taxes (where) (you) most people forget about them because (you) (know) you can't always get your F I C A back at the end of the year (you) (know) (and) then a five percent surtax I'm paying forty percent tax (B) which is just outrageous and a lot (of) (it) and if you look at the way the government is run these days it just seems like a lot of it's going to waste (A) I think there certainly are some things where you need infrastructure (and) (you) (need) (we) (B) instead of real good programs (A) we spend a fortune for things like V A hospitals and then you look at how well they're managed I don't think we're getting our money's worth out of there I think it's all going into bureaucrats (B) and a lot of it's feeding that especially in the election year I'm really thinking a lot about this the economy and questions like that and just (the) (whole) it seems like everything is really screwy now as far as the government goes and our whole economy in general and our taxes just are going to keep rising no matter what happens and especially when you've got the Bush administration who has increased government expenditures beyond what any other President since World War Two has done (and) (yet) (A) (be-) (B) (he) (supposedly) (A) (between) (him) (and) (Reagan) (The) (great) (communicator) (B) I just read something that two thirds or three quarters I'm not exactly sure of our national debt was created during the Reagan Bush era (A) (they) (think) (B) who are supposedly fiscally conservative (A) and then they go and say I'm not (c-) Congress they're the fault for it But (the) (other) (thing) (is) it's tricky though like in New Hampshire they say all let's cut the military budget then you lose half your jobs in New Hampshire you lose Grotten Connecticut goes (you) (know) it's very tricky to balance that stuff off because then you hurt if people lose their jobs then they become a load and they're not contributing taxes (B) (That's) (A) it's very hard to say this is what we should cut (B) (it's) (really) (that) (is) (the) (especially) cuts in the defense is really a Catch twenty-two

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(A) (That's) (good) (They) (say) (B) (And) they get along (real) good I said if Tom could see dog lick this kitty he'd flip (So) that was interesting (A) (Didn't) (expect) (that) (would) (happen) (that's) (cool) (that's) (nice) (let's) (see) what was the other dog you had (B) It's a sheltie (A) (a) (sheltie) (B) She's (real) sweet little dog She's got a (very) nice temperament they're not as aggressive as a Schnauzer (the) (Schnauzers) (are) (a) (little) (aggressive) (A) They can be nippy shelties are nice Everybody seems to be (really) happy with them They're good temperament (B) (They're) (a) (good) (temperament) (A) They put up with a lot (B) and (they) just they I think they have a good head on their shoulders (I) (think) they have a higher level of intelligence than other dogs that I have encountered (A) Schnauzers in particular probably (B) (but) also some poodles (they're) (kind) (of) there are some smart ones out there (but) (there's) also some not so smart ones (A) (I) (g-) it seems the smaller (the) (are) the worse off they are (B) (maybe) there's some credence in that statement (A) they're bred down so much (It's) They aren't the best pets (B) I (really) don't know what the best pet is (I) (guess) it's up to the individual and how they relate to their animal (A) some people seem fairly well suited for (for) miniature poodles and such (B) And bull dogs But I don't know about these (now) (what) (are) (they) (called) pit bulls (A) (Pit) (bull) (B) that are (so) vicious (A) (They) (might) they're actually very friendly dogs (B) (Are) (they) (really) (I) (don't) (think) (I've) (ever) (A) they're really nice (B) (seen) (one) (A) I've dealt with quite a few of them customers that bring them into the shop and (ask) (me) they fit collars and stuff on them and they are (just) really nice really friendly (kind) (of) (like) medium intelligence (B) (how) (do) (they) (become) (s-) (w-) how did they get their reputation (then) (A) (because) (some) (people) (want) (to) (train) (them) (as) (B) (they) (train) (them) (to) (be) (that) (way) (then) (okay) (A) You really can't get a pit bull from birth that's that way (B) (okay) (A) it takes a lot of training and a lot of abuse to get a dog to really (B) (dear) (so) (the) (A) respond (B) the poor animal is doing it in self protection (dear) (A) they aren't by nature really nasty critters They are very determined (critters) and so once you get them going it's not good to deal with but I really like them I was impressed by them they're real sturdy little critters and they aren't that big And just really friendly (B) (that's) (unusual) (A) I was (B) (I) (A) overwhelmed (B) (I) (suppose) (you) (were) (surprised) After (A) (now) (B) the reputation that they have quite an notable reputation (as) (far) (as) (A) They picked up a lot of bad press lately (B) they're banned in some areas I understand (A) But any pet's can be bad if you train it to be that way (B) (that) they must have just targeted that breed (and) (said) (boy) (we're) (going) (A) (it's) (when) in my hometown they just outlawed ferrets (B) (okay) (A) because they had one incident of a ferret attacking a child (B) (okay) (A) in a house these people had left this infant in the same room with this loose ferret the ferret is used to running the house and was kind of wild and they should expect something like that to happen And so (bas-) now (it's) (like) ferrets are outlawed in the town (B) did it attack the child then (A) it bit him And that was not a good thing but I think it was probably an individual ferret thing because it was a fairly wild ferret (B) (the) (A) (they) (hadn't) (B) the people that owned him should have been on the lookout for that (A) they really should have expected it And taken the precautions They didn't (B) (Sure) (A) It's too bad it happened though (B) because then the animal's in trouble and not the person