[ { "start": 0.0, "end": 2.0, "text": " This is the BBC." }, { "start": 17.0, "end": 19.0, "text": " Hello and welcome to Podcasting House." }, { "start": 19.0, "end": 22.0, "text": " If this is your first time listening, here's what we're doing." }, { "start": 22.0, "end": 24.0, "text": " Twice a week, we bring you a new BBC podcast." }, { "start": 24.0, "end": 26.0, "text": " We think it's worth checking out." }, { "start": 26.0, "end": 29.0, "text": " If you like it, you can search for it and subscribe to it." }, { "start": 29.0, "end": 31.0, "text": " As always, I'm joined by Rianne." }, { "start": 31.0, "end": 33.0, "text": " What are we listening to today?" }, { "start": 33.0, "end": 37.0, "text": " I'm taking you to a new place today, Eli, and it's called Grown Up Land." }, { "start": 37.0, "end": 38.0, "text": " I don't want to go." }, { "start": 38.0, "end": 40.0, "text": " So many of us don't." }, { "start": 40.0, "end": 41.0, "text": " Somehow we end up there." }, { "start": 41.0, "end": 44.0, "text": " It's a new podcast from Radio 4." }, { "start": 44.0, "end": 49.0, "text": " And it imagines Radio 4 as a land of Grown Up and is trying to help" }, { "start": 49.0, "end": 52.0, "text": " would be Grown Up's end to that land, with offering advice," }, { "start": 52.0, "end": 55.0, "text": " but we're in the company of a panel of three comedians" }, { "start": 55.0, "end": 59.0, "text": " with extra guests popping in, a great new sort of perspective" }, { "start": 59.0, "end": 63.0, "text": " from a guy called Stephen Alley who you won't have heard of." }, { "start": 63.0, "end": 67.0, "text": " He's a refugee from Damascus who spent time in Calais jungle" }, { "start": 67.0, "end": 70.0, "text": " and is now doing some stand-up comedy in the UK." }, { "start": 70.0, "end": 73.0, "text": " And they're all part of this wonderful mix that takes a theme" }, { "start": 73.0, "end": 76.0, "text": " from adulthood and impacts it and explores it." }, { "start": 76.0, "end": 79.0, "text": " The first one I've got for you is about tattoos" }, { "start": 79.0, "end": 82.0, "text": " and whether tattoos are a good idea or not." }, { "start": 83.0, "end": 85.0, "text": " Nothing more grown up than getting a good tattoo." }, { "start": 85.0, "end": 87.0, "text": " Alright, great." }, { "start": 87.0, "end": 88.0, "text": " Well, let's give it a listen." }, { "start": 88.0, "end": 89.0, "text": " Grown Up Land." }, { "start": 89.0, "end": 92.0, "text": " When I grow up, I wouldn't get a real tattoo," }, { "start": 92.0, "end": 95.0, "text": " but I might get a tattoo that can stay for like a month." }, { "start": 95.0, "end": 100.0, "text": " When I grow up, I think if it's those tattoos that you can't get off," }, { "start": 100.0, "end": 104.0, "text": " no, because I like to keep my skin nice and fresh." }, { "start": 104.0, "end": 108.0, "text": " If I had to get a tattoo, I would get a cat one" }, { "start": 108.0, "end": 111.0, "text": " because I've got cats at home." }, { "start": 111.0, "end": 113.0, "text": " If I had to get any tattoo in the world," }, { "start": 113.0, "end": 117.0, "text": " it'll probably be a green and brown palm tree." }, { "start": 117.0, "end": 125.0, "text": " If I had to get any tattoo, I would get a bat" }, { "start": 125.0, "end": 128.0, "text": " like, I'm not sure why." }, { "start": 141.0, "end": 146.0, "text": " You can't do this." }, { "start": 146.0, "end": 153.0, "text": " Take some time on my own with you, with you, with you, with you." }, { "start": 153.0, "end": 156.0, "text": " Welcome to Grown Up Land from BBC Radio 4" }, { "start": 156.0, "end": 160.0, "text": " with me, May Martin, Bishakai Ali, and Ned Sedwick." }, { "start": 160.0, "end": 162.0, "text": " And later we'll hear from Steve Ali," }, { "start": 162.0, "end": 164.0, "text": " the man who'll put it all into perspective." }, { "start": 164.0, "end": 166.0, "text": " Each week, we take a topic from the adult world" }, { "start": 166.0, "end": 168.0, "text": " that we're struggling to get our heads around" }, { "start": 168.0, "end": 170.0, "text": " and we look to the Grown Up Land of Radio 4" }, { "start": 170.0, "end": 172.0, "text": " for answers and advice." }, { "start": 172.0, "end": 175.0, "text": " And this week, we are looking at tattoos." }, { "start": 175.0, "end": 177.0, "text": " Oh!" }, { "start": 177.0, "end": 178.0, "text": " Wow." }, { "start": 178.0, "end": 179.0, "text": " Do you have tattoos, guys?" }, { "start": 179.0, "end": 181.0, "text": " I have zero tattoos." }, { "start": 181.0, "end": 184.0, "text": " I'm going to sound my controversy claxon" }, { "start": 184.0, "end": 186.0, "text": " because I'm going to have three" }, { "start": 186.0, "end": 188.0, "text": " one of my favorite generalization grenades." }, { "start": 188.0, "end": 193.0, "text": " I don't think tattoos on white men look good." }, { "start": 193.0, "end": 196.0, "text": " I think they look try hard and lame." }, { "start": 196.0, "end": 198.0, "text": " How outrageous claims." }, { "start": 198.0, "end": 200.0, "text": " Have you seen David Beckham?" }, { "start": 200.0, "end": 201.0, "text": " I have." }, { "start": 201.0, "end": 203.0, "text": " He married the worst spice girl." }, { "start": 203.0, "end": 204.0, "text": " No." }, { "start": 204.0, "end": 205.0, "text": " Incorrect." }, { "start": 205.0, "end": 206.0, "text": " We're going to have a huge..." }, { "start": 206.0, "end": 207.0, "text": " Posh spice, so you're..." }, { "start": 207.0, "end": 211.0, "text": " No, I'm just saying we shouldn't be grading the spice girls." }, { "start": 211.0, "end": 215.0, "text": " They're all about girl power and collaboration working together." }, { "start": 215.0, "end": 218.0, "text": " You're out here being like, truth or worst spice girl." }, { "start": 218.0, "end": 219.0, "text": " Fair enough." }, { "start": 219.0, "end": 220.0, "text": " Thank you." }, { "start": 220.0, "end": 222.0, "text": " And she also, I'm going to double down on what May said." }, { "start": 222.0, "end": 224.0, "text": " Have you seen David Beckham's like full?" }, { "start": 224.0, "end": 226.0, "text": " Exception that proves the rule." }, { "start": 226.0, "end": 229.0, "text": " Have you ever been to Chiang Mai in Thailand?" }, { "start": 229.0, "end": 230.0, "text": " Shut up, Ned." }, { "start": 230.0, "end": 231.0, "text": " You know I haven't..." }, { "start": 231.0, "end": 234.0, "text": " Chiang Mai in Thailand is a tourist resort." }, { "start": 234.0, "end": 235.0, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 235.0, "end": 237.0, "text": " Have you ever been to Malia in Crete?" }, { "start": 237.0, "end": 238.0, "text": " No." }, { "start": 238.0, "end": 240.0, "text": " Have you ever been to White Beefer?" }, { "start": 240.0, "end": 243.0, "text": " Have you sexed hard in Ibiza?" }, { "start": 243.0, "end": 244.0, "text": " No." }, { "start": 244.0, "end": 246.0, "text": " Well, when you haven't seen," }, { "start": 246.0, "end": 249.0, "text": " steroid it up white men with tribal tattoos," }, { "start": 249.0, "end": 251.0, "text": " which is probably cultural appropriation," }, { "start": 251.0, "end": 253.0, "text": " just smeared across them." }, { "start": 253.0, "end": 254.0, "text": " But looking like..." }, { "start": 254.0, "end": 255.0, "text": " Smeared, mead." }, { "start": 255.0, "end": 258.0, "text": " You feel like you know zero things about how tattoos are applied." }, { "start": 258.0, "end": 261.0, "text": " So, Ned, I take it, you have no tattoos." }, { "start": 261.0, "end": 263.0, "text": " No, I don't." }, { "start": 263.0, "end": 266.0, "text": " I actually really want to get a tattoo," }, { "start": 266.0, "end": 268.0, "text": " which might go against what I said," }, { "start": 268.0, "end": 271.0, "text": " but it doesn't, because I would get a tattoo straight away" }, { "start": 271.0, "end": 273.0, "text": " if I thought I would look good." }, { "start": 273.0, "end": 277.0, "text": " How close do we have to be for you to get a friendship tattoo with me?" }, { "start": 277.0, "end": 280.0, "text": " We haven't known each other that long, but..." }, { "start": 280.0, "end": 282.0, "text": " I would consider it after two months, I'd say." }, { "start": 282.0, "end": 283.0, "text": " Two more months." }, { "start": 283.0, "end": 285.0, "text": " We're approaching, oh two more months." }, { "start": 285.0, "end": 287.0, "text": " Yeah, I get it on my foot if that's OK." }, { "start": 287.0, "end": 288.0, "text": " You're right." }, { "start": 288.0, "end": 290.0, "text": " So, this is my problem." }, { "start": 290.0, "end": 293.0, "text": " I have loads of tattoos that I regret." }, { "start": 293.0, "end": 294.0, "text": " I have like..." }, { "start": 294.0, "end": 296.0, "text": " Some that I have about 15 tattoos." }, { "start": 296.0, "end": 300.0, "text": " I got them all between the ages of like 16 and 18." }, { "start": 300.0, "end": 302.0, "text": " But I have loads of friendship tattoos" }, { "start": 302.0, "end": 305.0, "text": " where I got the tattoo and then my friends checking out." }, { "start": 305.0, "end": 307.0, "text": " It's like the kiss of death for a friendship, too." }, { "start": 307.0, "end": 309.0, "text": " Are you still friends with them?" }, { "start": 309.0, "end": 310.0, "text": " No, not really." }, { "start": 310.0, "end": 313.0, "text": " Have you tried to make friends with the same name?" }, { "start": 313.0, "end": 315.0, "text": " Just so you're like, well, this is going to waste otherwise." }, { "start": 315.0, "end": 316.0, "text": " That's such a good idea." }, { "start": 316.0, "end": 319.0, "text": " I'm trying to find someone called Sabrina Jelise, the very specific." }, { "start": 319.0, "end": 320.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 320.0, "end": 323.0, "text": " Did you have any of their names tattooed on to you?" }, { "start": 323.0, "end": 325.0, "text": " Yes, like I have her signature, my friend Sabrina." }, { "start": 325.0, "end": 327.0, "text": " Martin, what?" }, { "start": 327.0, "end": 328.0, "text": " I know." }, { "start": 328.0, "end": 331.0, "text": " And the problem is her signature looks exactly like..." }, { "start": 331.0, "end": 333.0, "text": " Sean John, puffed-daddies." }, { "start": 333.0, "end": 335.0, "text": " Puffed-daddies clothing company." }, { "start": 335.0, "end": 337.0, "text": " So it looks like I'm just branded with Sean John." }, { "start": 337.0, "end": 338.0, "text": " That's amazing." }, { "start": 338.0, "end": 339.0, "text": " Why don't you have any, Pishin?" }, { "start": 339.0, "end": 344.0, "text": " I've always been a scaredy-cat and I was raised by people who were like tattoos of a Satan." }, { "start": 344.0, "end": 345.0, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 345.0, "end": 349.0, "text": " So obviously I really wanted one because I was deep into Satan." }, { "start": 349.0, "end": 353.0, "text": " But then I kind of aged out of like the fearless zone." }, { "start": 353.0, "end": 355.0, "text": " So I was like, fearless and I should get one." }, { "start": 355.0, "end": 356.0, "text": " And then I aged out of that." }, { "start": 356.0, "end": 359.0, "text": " And then we were supposed to, for our anniversary last year," }, { "start": 359.0, "end": 361.0, "text": " both go out and get tattoos." }, { "start": 361.0, "end": 362.0, "text": " Oh, you and you and your husband?" }, { "start": 362.0, "end": 363.0, "text": " Yeah, yeah." }, { "start": 363.0, "end": 365.0, "text": " For our one year anniversary, we used to go out and get tattoos." }, { "start": 365.0, "end": 367.0, "text": " And then on the day I chickened out." }, { "start": 367.0, "end": 370.0, "text": " And I was like, I don't want to see my body." }, { "start": 370.0, "end": 371.0, "text": " And give me a tattoo." }, { "start": 371.0, "end": 374.0, "text": " And so he just got a tattoo of like a band." }, { "start": 374.0, "end": 376.0, "text": " I think that was part of that story." }, { "start": 376.0, "end": 377.0, "text": " You guys need to tattoo each other." }, { "start": 377.0, "end": 378.0, "text": " I think that would be romantic." }, { "start": 378.0, "end": 379.0, "text": " That would be so cute." }, { "start": 379.0, "end": 380.0, "text": " I do not trust." }, { "start": 380.0, "end": 381.0, "text": " No." }, { "start": 381.0, "end": 383.0, "text": " I have given a tattoo." }, { "start": 383.0, "end": 384.0, "text": " I could do it for you." }, { "start": 384.0, "end": 387.0, "text": " I've done it with a needle and a big pen." }, { "start": 387.0, "end": 389.0, "text": " Wait, a needle and a bit." }, { "start": 389.0, "end": 390.0, "text": " Were you in prison?" }, { "start": 390.0, "end": 392.0, "text": " No, I was at a dinner party." }, { "start": 392.0, "end": 394.0, "text": " I was at a dinner party and things got out of hand." }, { "start": 394.0, "end": 395.0, "text": " What?" }, { "start": 395.0, "end": 397.0, "text": " I mean, that is an out of hand dinner." }, { "start": 397.0, "end": 399.0, "text": " Well, and dinner party gets out of hand for me." }, { "start": 399.0, "end": 401.0, "text": " We crack into their parents' port." }, { "start": 401.0, "end": 402.0, "text": " Like we do." }, { "start": 402.0, "end": 404.0, "text": " You have piercing stuff." }, { "start": 404.0, "end": 405.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 405.0, "end": 408.0, "text": " I have a nose ring and I have my ears pierced." }, { "start": 408.0, "end": 410.0, "text": " And I debated getting the nose ring for ages." }, { "start": 410.0, "end": 413.0, "text": " And I kept looking at photos of you Google nose rings." }, { "start": 413.0, "end": 414.0, "text": " I kept looking at the image page." }, { "start": 414.0, "end": 417.0, "text": " And if you look at close-up shots of loads of pierced noses." }, { "start": 417.0, "end": 418.0, "text": " Oh, it's weird." }, { "start": 418.0, "end": 419.0, "text": " It doesn't look good." }, { "start": 419.0, "end": 421.0, "text": " Without the face, you just said no." }, { "start": 421.0, "end": 422.0, "text": " Yeah, just like tight nose shots." }, { "start": 422.0, "end": 423.0, "text": " Tight nose shots." }, { "start": 423.0, "end": 425.0, "text": " And I was showing it to everybody like," }, { "start": 425.0, "end": 426.0, "text": " do you guys should get this?" }, { "start": 426.0, "end": 427.0, "text": " Do you guys should get this?" }, { "start": 427.0, "end": 429.0, "text": " No, this looks super weird, don't get it." }, { "start": 429.0, "end": 430.0, "text": " But I did." }, { "start": 430.0, "end": 432.0, "text": " Now everyone's like, I thought you always had that piercing." }, { "start": 432.0, "end": 433.0, "text": " Yeah, it suits you." }, { "start": 433.0, "end": 434.0, "text": " It really suits you." }, { "start": 434.0, "end": 435.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 435.0, "end": 436.0, "text": " Thanks very much." }, { "start": 436.0, "end": 437.0, "text": " We'll put a picture up on the website so you can all brave me." }, { "start": 437.0, "end": 438.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 438.0, "end": 440.0, "text": " If you were to get a tattoo, what would you get?" }, { "start": 440.0, "end": 442.0, "text": " What have you always wanted to get?" }, { "start": 442.0, "end": 444.0, "text": " But you're like, people will judge me." }, { "start": 444.0, "end": 446.0, "text": " I always really wanted to get some kind of bird." }, { "start": 446.0, "end": 450.0, "text": " I wanted to get some of my favourite books growing up were His Dark Materials by Philip Paulman." }, { "start": 450.0, "end": 451.0, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 451.0, "end": 455.0, "text": " I like some kind of artwork of like the three, like of the Elifio Amateur, the Golden" }, { "start": 455.0, "end": 456.0, "text": " Kind of Dambas by glass." }, { "start": 456.0, "end": 457.0, "text": " Great." }, { "start": 457.0, "end": 458.0, "text": " That's so good." }, { "start": 458.0, "end": 460.0, "text": " This might be the first thing we've all agreed on, by the way." }, { "start": 460.0, "end": 462.0, "text": " We're all really into those books." }, { "start": 462.0, "end": 463.0, "text": " I'm going to be craving my tattoos." }, { "start": 463.0, "end": 465.0, "text": " Yes, so good." }, { "start": 465.0, "end": 471.0, "text": " I've always wanted to get everything important to me tattooed in one place." }, { "start": 471.0, "end": 476.0, "text": " Can I just say I got a tattoo which was the acronym Everything in the World?" }, { "start": 476.0, "end": 480.0, "text": " I also wanted to get everything important to me tattooed." }, { "start": 481.0, "end": 483.0, "text": " But so I got EITW for everything in the world." }, { "start": 483.0, "end": 484.0, "text": " Is that what you mean?" }, { "start": 484.0, "end": 486.0, "text": " You want to get the words everything important to me?" }, { "start": 486.0, "end": 490.0, "text": " No, no, I want to get like literally a representation of everything." }, { "start": 490.0, "end": 492.0, "text": " So again, England fat flag because..." }, { "start": 492.0, "end": 493.0, "text": " Wait, wait, wait." }, { "start": 493.0, "end": 494.0, "text": " St. George's a..." }, { "start": 494.0, "end": 497.0, "text": " Yeah, I know in the current political climate." }, { "start": 497.0, "end": 498.0, "text": " It's not all right." }, { "start": 498.0, "end": 500.0, "text": " But like, I just kind of, it's where I'm from." }, { "start": 500.0, "end": 501.0, "text": " Yes, same with me." }, { "start": 501.0, "end": 507.0, "text": " And then T.H.F.C. in each quadrant, the Tottenham Hotspur Football Club," }, { "start": 508.0, "end": 511.0, "text": " then a Lancashire rose in the middle because my mum's from Lancashire." }, { "start": 511.0, "end": 512.0, "text": " Wow." }, { "start": 512.0, "end": 515.0, "text": " And then eight scales of justice above it because..." }, { "start": 515.0, "end": 516.0, "text": " You like that?" }, { "start": 516.0, "end": 517.0, "text": " That was my house at school." }, { "start": 517.0, "end": 521.0, "text": " Oh, like, with that context on a white man, this is like the most racist set of tattoos." }, { "start": 521.0, "end": 522.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 524.0, "end": 525.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 525.0, "end": 531.0, "text": " And then I wanted a thunderbolt because I wanted to write about a comic character when I was a child" }, { "start": 531.0, "end": 535.0, "text": " who had the ability to throw thunder and also I'd never forget your roots." }, { "start": 536.0, "end": 540.0, "text": " Look, I support this. I think you should do it." }, { "start": 541.0, "end": 546.0, "text": " I think the tattoos get a bad rap but this is a clip that I found about this trend" }, { "start": 546.0, "end": 548.0, "text": " where fine artists are doing tattoos now." }, { "start": 548.0, "end": 550.0, "text": " So really high class stuff." }, { "start": 550.0, "end": 555.0, "text": " And I found a clip from a Radio 4 program called A Mortal Work of Art and it's with Mary Ann Hobbs." }, { "start": 555.0, "end": 560.0, "text": " Tattooing is increasingly attracting fine artists who are drawn to its techniques" }, { "start": 560.0, "end": 563.0, "text": " but want to break out of its traditions." }, { "start": 563.0, "end": 567.0, "text": " New York-based tattooist Amanda Wacko is part of the latest generation" }, { "start": 567.0, "end": 570.0, "text": " who've come into the industry with a fine art background." }, { "start": 570.0, "end": 577.0, "text": " Her distinctive style of tattooing was initially inspired by the abstract expressionist Hans Hoffman." }, { "start": 577.0, "end": 585.0, "text": " I was looking at his work and noticing that many of the shapes that he was working with on his canvases were square and rectangular." }, { "start": 585.0, "end": 591.0, "text": " And I wondered if he were going to paint on a surface that wasn't a rectangle or a square." }, { "start": 592.0, "end": 597.0, "text": " What would his shapes look like if he were going to say put a design on someone's skin?" }, { "start": 597.0, "end": 602.0, "text": " And at that moment I had the idea that this would be possible to try with skin." }, { "start": 602.0, "end": 610.0, "text": " I mean, my own tattoo artist in Canada from when I was a teenager had his own distinctive style, I'd say." }, { "start": 610.0, "end": 618.0, "text": " His name was Doug. His style was misspelling to tattoos and then charging last for them because of the mistake." }, { "start": 619.0, "end": 625.0, "text": " So he did loads of tattoos for me and they were all cost about $30, which is like 20 pounds." }, { "start": 625.0, "end": 629.0, "text": " Tattoos aren't something you should try to get a good deal for, I think. You just pay the money." }, { "start": 629.0, "end": 633.0, "text": " But I got the word peachy tattooed on me and he spelled it wrong." }, { "start": 633.0, "end": 635.0, "text": " I mean I should have had a peachy." }, { "start": 635.0, "end": 636.0, "text": " Peachy?" }, { "start": 636.0, "end": 637.0, "text": " Oh, like old peachy." }, { "start": 637.0, "end": 640.0, "text": " It's EY at the end and he spelled it i.e." }, { "start": 640.0, "end": 643.0, "text": " I mean I would have spelled it neither of those waves." }, { "start": 643.0, "end": 645.0, "text": " I really don't know why at the end. Peachy." }, { "start": 645.0, "end": 646.0, "text": " Peachy, yeah." }, { "start": 646.0, "end": 648.0, "text": " Why peachy? Go right out." }, { "start": 648.0, "end": 651.0, "text": " I was dating someone and I called a peachy." }, { "start": 651.0, "end": 653.0, "text": " I know. I know." }, { "start": 653.0, "end": 657.0, "text": " I'm like I'm very romantic." }, { "start": 657.0, "end": 659.0, "text": " What can I say?" }, { "start": 659.0, "end": 664.0, "text": " I think a rule should be that the tattoo artist should google the thing before they do it." }, { "start": 664.0, "end": 668.0, "text": " So I had, I was a teenager and I got this tattoo. It said I dig a pony." }, { "start": 668.0, "end": 674.0, "text": " And it was, it's the name of a Beatles song and I was like this sums up all the Beatles message in one song." }, { "start": 674.0, "end": 676.0, "text": " This is so beautiful this song." }, { "start": 676.0, "end": 679.0, "text": " I was, and also I just got out of rehab." }, { "start": 679.0, "end": 685.0, "text": " And I just got, I just stopped doing coke and I was like this song is about like being free of all your vices and stuff." }, { "start": 685.0, "end": 688.0, "text": " So I got this tattoo. I dig a pony." }, { "start": 688.0, "end": 690.0, "text": " And then I googled it like the next week." }, { "start": 690.0, "end": 695.0, "text": " Turns out the first thing that comes up is John Lennon saying this is my least favorite song I ever wrote." }, { "start": 695.0, "end": 698.0, "text": " It means nothing. It's garbage. I wish I could throw it in the bin." }, { "start": 698.0, "end": 702.0, "text": " We all hate it. All the Beatles hated it. It's just a pile of poo." }, { "start": 702.0, "end": 705.0, "text": " And then I found out that pony is a euphemism for cocaine." }, { "start": 705.0, "end": 709.0, "text": " Yeah. So I have a tattoo that says I dig cocaine." }, { "start": 709.0, "end": 714.0, "text": " It was meant to be like a monument to the fact that I was not doing. Anyway, so that's, I think." }, { "start": 714.0, "end": 716.0, "text": " That is your teenage years." }, { "start": 716.0, "end": 717.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 717.0, "end": 718.0, "text": " Very different to my." }, { "start": 718.0, "end": 720.0, "text": " But I do like in that clip." }, { "start": 720.0, "end": 723.0, "text": " I like the idea that, that it can be a real piece of art." }, { "start": 723.0, "end": 727.0, "text": " And I mean, it's just the opposite of mine, but I like that." }, { "start": 727.0, "end": 730.0, "text": " So, Bisha, it's no secret to us that you live on the internet." }, { "start": 730.0, "end": 733.0, "text": " And you've been on a fact-finding mission this week." }, { "start": 733.0, "end": 736.0, "text": " What have you found out about tattoos? Do you have any interesting facts you can share with us?" }, { "start": 736.0, "end": 738.0, "text": " I have so many facts for you. I'm so excited." }, { "start": 738.0, "end": 742.0, "text": " I went on the Radio 4 website and I was looking around for more facts about tattoos." }, { "start": 742.0, "end": 745.0, "text": " I found this clip and it's from the Listening Project." }, { "start": 745.0, "end": 747.0, "text": " I want you to hear it and then I'll tell you a fact." }, { "start": 747.0, "end": 751.0, "text": " This is a chat between mother and daughter, Lara and Maya." }, { "start": 751.0, "end": 755.0, "text": " They're very close. Lara is a single mum to Maya and her older brother Kai." }, { "start": 755.0, "end": 758.0, "text": " But the kids still see their dad and I say kids." }, { "start": 758.0, "end": 760.0, "text": " But actually they aren't really kids anymore." }, { "start": 760.0, "end": 763.0, "text": " You're only 14 now, so you've got a few years." }, { "start": 763.0, "end": 766.0, "text": " But I suppose when you get a bit older it's your choice, isn't it?" }, { "start": 766.0, "end": 767.0, "text": " Exactly." }, { "start": 767.0, "end": 769.0, "text": " Well, I'm 16, I can get a set to pay us about information." }, { "start": 769.0, "end": 772.0, "text": " So, do you think you will? Probably." }, { "start": 772.0, "end": 776.0, "text": " Okay. Would you come to me and say to me, I'm going to go and get it done?" }, { "start": 776.0, "end": 777.0, "text": " I'll tell you before." }, { "start": 777.0, "end": 779.0, "text": " What if I said to you, no, you're not having it done." }, { "start": 779.0, "end": 781.0, "text": " I don't want you to. When you're 16." }, { "start": 781.0, "end": 783.0, "text": " I just disobey you." }, { "start": 783.0, "end": 784.0, "text": " Would you? Yeah." }, { "start": 784.0, "end": 787.0, "text": " Okay. Would you not take into account what I thought about it?" }, { "start": 787.0, "end": 790.0, "text": " I would, but it's my decision really." }, { "start": 790.0, "end": 792.0, "text": " I know what a dime I have pink." }, { "start": 792.0, "end": 794.0, "text": " Is it just about being different then?" }, { "start": 794.0, "end": 796.0, "text": " Yeah. I don't want any of the same as everybody else." }, { "start": 796.0, "end": 797.0, "text": " It's stupid." }, { "start": 797.0, "end": 800.0, "text": " Here's the thing with Lara and Maya, right?" }, { "start": 800.0, "end": 805.0, "text": " So Lara's kind of frustrated with her daughter because she wants to go and go to her septum pierced," }, { "start": 805.0, "end": 808.0, "text": " which by the way, sounds very, very painful in my opinion." }, { "start": 808.0, "end": 810.0, "text": " You can all differ later." }, { "start": 810.0, "end": 815.0, "text": " So one of the facts that I found out was about one of the oldest mummies that has ever been dug up." }, { "start": 815.0, "end": 818.0, "text": " Right? And his name was Otsi. He's an ancient iceman." }, { "start": 818.0, "end": 821.0, "text": " And they discovered that he was covered in 50 plus tattoos." }, { "start": 821.0, "end": 824.0, "text": " And he's the oldest human dude we found." }, { "start": 824.0, "end": 825.0, "text": " Right? 50 human tattoos." }, { "start": 825.0, "end": 826.0, "text": " But here's the thing." }, { "start": 826.0, "end": 828.0, "text": " Here's how they got stuff done back then." }, { "start": 828.0, "end": 836.0, "text": " The tattoos were made by puncturing the skin and then rubbing charcoal into like just open wounds." }, { "start": 836.0, "end": 837.0, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 837.0, "end": 839.0, "text": " That is a bad idea." }, { "start": 839.0, "end": 841.0, "text": " Yeah. So come to a dinner party with me." }, { "start": 842.0, "end": 847.0, "text": " What I'm trying to say is I think that Lara should be really grateful that we don't live in ancient times" }, { "start": 847.0, "end": 850.0, "text": " and her daughter doesn't want to cut herself open and be covered in charcoal." }, { "start": 850.0, "end": 852.0, "text": " I think we can all agree on that." }, { "start": 852.0, "end": 854.0, "text": " It's a glass-helpful situation." }, { "start": 854.0, "end": 855.0, "text": " I've got so many facts for you guys." }, { "start": 855.0, "end": 857.0, "text": " I want to talk to you about Sailor's tattoos." }, { "start": 857.0, "end": 861.0, "text": " So apparently all of the tattoos they had has special meanings." }, { "start": 861.0, "end": 864.0, "text": " So if you had a dragon, it meant that you had been to China." }, { "start": 864.0, "end": 865.0, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 865.0, "end": 866.0, "text": " Indeed." }, { "start": 867.0, "end": 872.0, "text": " If you had King Neptune or a turtle, it meant that you'd sailed across the equator." }, { "start": 872.0, "end": 873.0, "text": " Aha." }, { "start": 873.0, "end": 874.0, "text": " And if you..." }, { "start": 874.0, "end": 880.0, "text": " So one thing they need to do, they would get pig and rooster tattoos on the bottom of their feet" }, { "start": 880.0, "end": 884.0, "text": " to ward against drowning in case of a shipwreck." }, { "start": 884.0, "end": 891.0, "text": " Not because those animals can swim, but because they were stored in buoyant crates that would usually survive any shipwreck." }, { "start": 891.0, "end": 899.0, "text": " So I read about this once and one of the things that people think is also that because those animals can't swim," }, { "start": 899.0, "end": 904.0, "text": " they thought that God would take pity on like a rooster flapping around in the sea" }, { "start": 904.0, "end": 907.0, "text": " and be more likely to save it than a man where he's like, just swim, mate." }, { "start": 907.0, "end": 908.0, "text": " Here's a fact." }, { "start": 908.0, "end": 909.0, "text": " Hmm." }, { "start": 909.0, "end": 916.0, "text": " I don't know if there's a true for Doug, but your skin is preyed between 50 to 3,000 times a minute when you're getting tattooed." }, { "start": 917.0, "end": 919.0, "text": " Yeah, you can feel it." }, { "start": 919.0, "end": 922.0, "text": " It's like a very fast..." }, { "start": 922.0, "end": 923.0, "text": " I've got a question." }, { "start": 923.0, "end": 924.0, "text": " It feels good." }, { "start": 924.0, "end": 925.0, "text": " It feels good." }, { "start": 925.0, "end": 926.0, "text": " I think it feels good." }, { "start": 926.0, "end": 931.0, "text": " I think a lot of people would agree with me that there's something made you're really into like, I think it's an erotic..." }, { "start": 931.0, "end": 936.0, "text": " No, I'm really betraying too much, but it's because adrenaline kicks in." }, { "start": 936.0, "end": 940.0, "text": " And then you have all these mad hormones coursing through your body, so it's kind of a high, I think." }, { "start": 941.0, "end": 949.0, "text": " So Ned, every week you go out into Grona planned and you complete a challenge related to our weekly topics." }, { "start": 949.0, "end": 951.0, "text": " So what did you do this week?" }, { "start": 951.0, "end": 955.0, "text": " I decided that I would do something very out of character." }, { "start": 955.0, "end": 957.0, "text": " I went and got a piercing." }, { "start": 957.0, "end": 958.0, "text": " No, really?" }, { "start": 958.0, "end": 959.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 959.0, "end": 963.0, "text": " I'll just play you the clips of me freaking out." }, { "start": 963.0, "end": 967.0, "text": " So I just got a phone to a couple of pierces." }, { "start": 968.0, "end": 971.0, "text": " I'm just going to go and get a simple ear piercing, just walk in." }, { "start": 971.0, "end": 974.0, "text": " A lot of people weren't okay with me recording it." }, { "start": 974.0, "end": 977.0, "text": " Not really sure what they didn't want me recording." }, { "start": 977.0, "end": 984.0, "text": " Anyway, I know most 13-year-old girls do this with no fear, but I am shitting myself." }, { "start": 984.0, "end": 986.0, "text": " And I am not looking forward to it at all." }, { "start": 986.0, "end": 988.0, "text": " All my love is a reaction." }, { "start": 988.0, "end": 990.0, "text": " Guys, please." }, { "start": 990.0, "end": 991.0, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 991.0, "end": 995.0, "text": " So just enough to get my ear pierced." }, { "start": 995.0, "end": 999.0, "text": " I didn't realise that I'd have to keep it into 46 weeks." }, { "start": 999.0, "end": 1003.0, "text": " So it'll be nice to explain to my parents and my girlfriend." }, { "start": 1003.0, "end": 1006.0, "text": " But I'm sure I'll think it's already trendy." }, { "start": 1006.0, "end": 1008.0, "text": " I'm just going to add journal." }, { "start": 1008.0, "end": 1009.0, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 1009.0, "end": 1015.0, "text": " Mag just wiping my ears, which I really know what that is." }, { "start": 1015.0, "end": 1017.0, "text": " Alcohol perhaps." }, { "start": 1017.0, "end": 1018.0, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 1018.0, "end": 1021.0, "text": " I'm going to show you a mirror as well." }, { "start": 1021.0, "end": 1023.0, "text": " Can I have a look?" }, { "start": 1024.0, "end": 1025.0, "text": " Okay, perfect." }, { "start": 1025.0, "end": 1031.0, "text": " I'm not usually scared of needles, but for some reason this time I'm absolutely curious." }, { "start": 1031.0, "end": 1032.0, "text": " That's a pinch." }, { "start": 1032.0, "end": 1034.0, "text": " It's not really big." }, { "start": 1034.0, "end": 1036.0, "text": " It's really quick as well." }, { "start": 1036.0, "end": 1040.0, "text": " So I'm not worse." }, { "start": 1040.0, "end": 1042.0, "text": " Just relax." }, { "start": 1042.0, "end": 1043.0, "text": " I'll try." }, { "start": 1049.0, "end": 1050.0, "text": " Can't feel them." }, { "start": 1050.0, "end": 1051.0, "text": " Is them?" }, { "start": 1052.0, "end": 1053.0, "text": " Is that it?" }, { "start": 1053.0, "end": 1054.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1054.0, "end": 1055.0, "text": " How was it?" }, { "start": 1055.0, "end": 1056.0, "text": " It was fine." }, { "start": 1056.0, "end": 1063.0, "text": " Kind of, I'm intrigued to know what everyone's going to say now." }, { "start": 1063.0, "end": 1073.0, "text": " The kind of fear of a pain has passed and now the fear of my friends seeing that saddest mate with a piercing is kind of set in." }, { "start": 1073.0, "end": 1074.0, "text": " Are you right?" }, { "start": 1074.0, "end": 1075.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1075.0, "end": 1076.0, "text": " What's wrong with you?" }, { "start": 1076.0, "end": 1077.0, "text": " Nothing." }, { "start": 1077.0, "end": 1079.0, "text": " I'm just fuzzy with my nose and something." }, { "start": 1080.0, "end": 1082.0, "text": " We got it to two." }, { "start": 1082.0, "end": 1083.0, "text": " No, no, no." }, { "start": 1085.0, "end": 1086.0, "text": " You have it?" }, { "start": 1086.0, "end": 1087.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1087.0, "end": 1088.0, "text": " Fucking hell." }, { "start": 1088.0, "end": 1093.0, "text": " You couldn't tell it from the clips, but I was actually quite like, what will my parents say? Will they judge me?" }, { "start": 1093.0, "end": 1097.0, "text": " And they're judging me anyway, so I didn't really make a difference." }, { "start": 1097.0, "end": 1098.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1098.0, "end": 1099.0, "text": " I feel weird having it." }, { "start": 1099.0, "end": 1103.0, "text": " What I never realised is how much admin goes into this." }, { "start": 1103.0, "end": 1104.0, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 1104.0, "end": 1105.0, "text": " Yeah, you've got to wash it." }, { "start": 1105.0, "end": 1108.0, "text": " I was like spraying my hair with saline solution last night." }, { "start": 1108.0, "end": 1110.0, "text": " I mean, my gene, personal care and..." }, { "start": 1110.0, "end": 1111.0, "text": " Yeah, but like a bloody..." }, { "start": 1111.0, "end": 1115.0, "text": " I'm fairly hygiene, I shower once a week, it would be day." }, { "start": 1115.0, "end": 1120.0, "text": " And I was like, they were like, yeah, don't sleep on that side of your head." }, { "start": 1120.0, "end": 1122.0, "text": " I can't tell what side of my head I'm going to sleep on." }, { "start": 1122.0, "end": 1123.0, "text": " Yeah, that's hard." }, { "start": 1123.0, "end": 1126.0, "text": " Yeah, I just fall to sleep and then I twist over in my sleep." }, { "start": 1126.0, "end": 1129.0, "text": " How do you feel about it aesthetically?" }, { "start": 1129.0, "end": 1131.0, "text": " I like deniering on a man." }, { "start": 1131.0, "end": 1133.0, "text": " Well, thank you, mate." }, { "start": 1133.0, "end": 1137.0, "text": " I don't think you noticed I'd had it." }, { "start": 1137.0, "end": 1138.0, "text": " I didn't..." }, { "start": 1138.0, "end": 1139.0, "text": " Oh my god, it's tiny." }, { "start": 1139.0, "end": 1142.0, "text": " Yeah, apparently it has to be small at this stage." }, { "start": 1142.0, "end": 1143.0, "text": " It really suits you, man." }, { "start": 1143.0, "end": 1145.0, "text": " Thank you very much, mate." }, { "start": 1145.0, "end": 1146.0, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 1146.0, "end": 1152.0, "text": " I'm kind of tempted to keep it in because I'm going for a new hip, cool, Ned Sedgwick aesthetic." }, { "start": 1152.0, "end": 1153.0, "text": " Are you?" }, { "start": 1153.0, "end": 1154.0, "text": " Well, I'm growing a bit." }, { "start": 1154.0, "end": 1155.0, "text": " Yeah, I noticed that." }, { "start": 1155.0, "end": 1156.0, "text": " So, it's a struggle." }, { "start": 1156.0, "end": 1157.0, "text": " It makes stop attempts." }, { "start": 1157.0, "end": 1158.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1158.0, "end": 1162.0, "text": " You've got to get over your fear of the stereotype of a white velvet tent." }, { "start": 1162.0, "end": 1166.0, "text": " Every week we have a guest drive." }, { "start": 1166.0, "end": 1170.0, "text": " Every week we have a guest joining us in the studio to help solve your problems that you've sent in." }, { "start": 1170.0, "end": 1172.0, "text": " And joining us this week is Roxanne." }, { "start": 1172.0, "end": 1178.0, "text": " She's a rapper, a poet, a composer, generally multi-talented legend from Birmingham." }, { "start": 1178.0, "end": 1181.0, "text": " And Roxanne, you're a tattooed and pierced person, what do you say?" }, { "start": 1181.0, "end": 1182.0, "text": " Oh, yeah." }, { "start": 1182.0, "end": 1183.0, "text": " Yeah, definitely." }, { "start": 1183.0, "end": 1184.0, "text": " They suit you." }, { "start": 1184.0, "end": 1186.0, "text": " For the past hour, we've all been just complimenting you." }, { "start": 1186.0, "end": 1187.0, "text": " Well, no, I know." }, { "start": 1187.0, "end": 1188.0, "text": " Thank you." }, { "start": 1188.0, "end": 1189.0, "text": " The only person who hates it is my mom." }, { "start": 1189.0, "end": 1190.0, "text": " Does she?" }, { "start": 1190.0, "end": 1191.0, "text": " I hate him." }, { "start": 1191.0, "end": 1192.0, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 1192.0, "end": 1193.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1193.0, "end": 1194.0, "text": " But how could she must have got used to it by now?" }, { "start": 1194.0, "end": 1195.0, "text": " Do you know what?" }, { "start": 1195.0, "end": 1197.0, "text": " I'm really good at covering them up." }, { "start": 1197.0, "end": 1199.0, "text": " The one on my neck, it's really light." }, { "start": 1199.0, "end": 1202.0, "text": " So, for about a year, I just would put makeup over it." }, { "start": 1202.0, "end": 1203.0, "text": " Someone mom didn't notice." }, { "start": 1203.0, "end": 1204.0, "text": " I have a single girl." }, { "start": 1204.0, "end": 1205.0, "text": " I just need to." }, { "start": 1205.0, "end": 1206.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1206.0, "end": 1207.0, "text": " Everybody to escape." }, { "start": 1207.0, "end": 1211.0, "text": " I think she knew because I'd always, when I go home, I'd like really lock the bathroom door behind me." }, { "start": 1211.0, "end": 1212.0, "text": " It's only me and my mom." }, { "start": 1212.0, "end": 1214.0, "text": " So, we've never done that our whole life." }, { "start": 1214.0, "end": 1215.0, "text": " So, I'd lock the bathroom." }, { "start": 1215.0, "end": 1220.0, "text": " And then one day I remember being in the shower and she walked in and saw literally everything." }, { "start": 1220.0, "end": 1221.0, "text": " Oh my God." }, { "start": 1221.0, "end": 1222.0, "text": " I'm so tired." }, { "start": 1222.0, "end": 1224.0, "text": " I mean, I always show it's like a no-go." }, { "start": 1224.0, "end": 1225.0, "text": " I think I'm on like 23." }, { "start": 1225.0, "end": 1226.0, "text": " Oh my God." }, { "start": 1226.0, "end": 1227.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1227.0, "end": 1228.0, "text": " So, you got someone in your neck, your arms." }, { "start": 1228.0, "end": 1231.0, "text": " I've got my neck, my arms, my chest, all on my back." }, { "start": 1231.0, "end": 1232.0, "text": " I've got my legs." }, { "start": 1232.0, "end": 1233.0, "text": " That's right." }, { "start": 1233.0, "end": 1235.0, "text": " When did you get your first one?" }, { "start": 1235.0, "end": 1237.0, "text": " My first one was when I was 17." }, { "start": 1237.0, "end": 1238.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1238.0, "end": 1239.0, "text": " The rebellious state." }, { "start": 1239.0, "end": 1240.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1240.0, "end": 1241.0, "text": " The rebellion." }, { "start": 1241.0, "end": 1242.0, "text": " I think I couldn't do something." }, { "start": 1242.0, "end": 1245.0, "text": " So, I said, okay, when my mom lets me out, I know when I got a toe." }, { "start": 1245.0, "end": 1246.0, "text": " How big is it?" }, { "start": 1246.0, "end": 1248.0, "text": " Apparently, it means, um, biracial." }, { "start": 1248.0, "end": 1249.0, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 1249.0, "end": 1251.0, "text": " Just in case I didn't know I was biracial." }, { "start": 1251.0, "end": 1252.0, "text": " By Rachel." }, { "start": 1252.0, "end": 1254.0, "text": " Just in case I didn't know that when you got it." }, { "start": 1254.0, "end": 1257.0, "text": " Well, he said that, but you know, there was 50 of them on the wall." }, { "start": 1257.0, "end": 1258.0, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1258.0, "end": 1259.0, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 1259.0, "end": 1260.0, "text": " It could really mean chicken, chow, main." }, { "start": 1260.0, "end": 1261.0, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 1261.0, "end": 1265.0, "text": " But you were before when I was saying that they've, I think they feel kind of good." }, { "start": 1265.0, "end": 1266.0, "text": " You were shaking your head." }, { "start": 1266.0, "end": 1267.0, "text": " No." }, { "start": 1267.0, "end": 1268.0, "text": " Yeah, sorry." }, { "start": 1268.0, "end": 1269.0, "text": " I totally disagree with you." }, { "start": 1269.0, "end": 1270.0, "text": " But you keep getting them." }, { "start": 1270.0, "end": 1271.0, "text": " No." }, { "start": 1271.0, "end": 1272.0, "text": " I know." }, { "start": 1272.0, "end": 1274.0, "text": " I'm like one of them women that, hey, having children but keeps having them." }, { "start": 1274.0, "end": 1275.0, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1275.0, "end": 1279.0, "text": " And you've got loads of piercings as well." }, { "start": 1279.0, "end": 1280.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1280.0, "end": 1282.0, "text": " I've taken a look out so I don't know if you can see my ears." }, { "start": 1282.0, "end": 1283.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1283.0, "end": 1284.0, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 1284.0, "end": 1285.0, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1285.0, "end": 1286.0, "text": " And ears." }, { "start": 1286.0, "end": 1287.0, "text": " Oh, wow." }, { "start": 1287.0, "end": 1289.0, "text": " Again, I've had, I've got my septum." }, { "start": 1289.0, "end": 1293.0, "text": " Septum was the easiest, quickest, most pain-free one I've got." }, { "start": 1293.0, "end": 1294.0, "text": " I really think so." }, { "start": 1294.0, "end": 1295.0, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 1295.0, "end": 1296.0, "text": " And then you should have got that." }, { "start": 1296.0, "end": 1297.0, "text": " Yeah, I know." }, { "start": 1297.0, "end": 1298.0, "text": " I'm such a coward." }, { "start": 1298.0, "end": 1300.0, "text": " A year ago I got, it was so random." }, { "start": 1300.0, "end": 1301.0, "text": " Free my lip." }, { "start": 1301.0, "end": 1303.0, "text": " So I don't know if you can see I've got like a little dip." }, { "start": 1303.0, "end": 1306.0, "text": " So it went in the back of my lip here and came out here." }, { "start": 1306.0, "end": 1308.0, "text": " Why did you take it out?" }, { "start": 1308.0, "end": 1309.0, "text": " Because I was performing." }, { "start": 1309.0, "end": 1311.0, "text": " And obviously the back is flat." }, { "start": 1311.0, "end": 1313.0, "text": " So it rest on my teeth where the front was round." }, { "start": 1313.0, "end": 1316.0, "text": " And as I'm performing halfway, my tough, hooked on." }, { "start": 1316.0, "end": 1317.0, "text": " No." }, { "start": 1317.0, "end": 1318.0, "text": " No." }, { "start": 1318.0, "end": 1323.0, "text": " It was literally, I felt a pain and then I just, you know, like obviously because you've got" }, { "start": 1323.0, "end": 1325.0, "text": " so much veins in your lips, it was pumping like your head." }, { "start": 1325.0, "end": 1326.0, "text": " Oh my god." }, { "start": 1326.0, "end": 1327.0, "text": " I was just going everywhere." }, { "start": 1327.0, "end": 1329.0, "text": " It was literally, I think people, before I was doing Aussie, I was born." }, { "start": 1329.0, "end": 1330.0, "text": " It's great." }, { "start": 1330.0, "end": 1331.0, "text": " But I wasn't." }, { "start": 1331.0, "end": 1332.0, "text": " I was like, oh, no." }, { "start": 1332.0, "end": 1333.0, "text": " I need to go." }, { "start": 1333.0, "end": 1334.0, "text": " I need to go." }, { "start": 1334.0, "end": 1335.0, "text": " I need to go." }, { "start": 1335.0, "end": 1336.0, "text": " I need to go." }, { "start": 1336.0, "end": 1337.0, "text": " I need to go." }, { "start": 1337.0, "end": 1338.0, "text": " Yeah, I got my nipple." }, { "start": 1338.0, "end": 1339.0, "text": " Oh, and it came out." }, { "start": 1339.0, "end": 1340.0, "text": " It came out." }, { "start": 1340.0, "end": 1341.0, "text": " Carnival." }, { "start": 1341.0, "end": 1342.0, "text": " Done." }, { "start": 1342.0, "end": 1343.0, "text": " You bob Marley." }, { "start": 1343.0, "end": 1344.0, "text": " I put a string vest on." }, { "start": 1344.0, "end": 1345.0, "text": " Oh my god." }, { "start": 1345.0, "end": 1346.0, "text": " Trying different colors." }, { "start": 1346.0, "end": 1347.0, "text": " And you know, you forget." }, { "start": 1347.0, "end": 1349.0, "text": " I've gone literally ripped it out." }, { "start": 1349.0, "end": 1350.0, "text": " No." }, { "start": 1350.0, "end": 1351.0, "text": " Everyone in the room just grabbed that." }, { "start": 1351.0, "end": 1352.0, "text": " So back on." }, { "start": 1352.0, "end": 1353.0, "text": " You just grabbed that." }, { "start": 1353.0, "end": 1354.0, "text": " Wow." }, { "start": 1354.0, "end": 1355.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1355.0, "end": 1356.0, "text": " Hardcore." }, { "start": 1356.0, "end": 1360.0, "text": " We have a tattoo and career based question here that somebody sent in." }, { "start": 1360.0, "end": 1362.0, "text": " This is from Sarah Preston, 92." }, { "start": 1362.0, "end": 1366.0, "text": " So she says, what do you do when you're pretty sure you want a tattoo, but you're line of" }, { "start": 1366.0, "end": 1371.0, "text": " work in brackets teacher is still an area where it's viewed as unprofessional to have visible" }, { "start": 1371.0, "end": 1372.0, "text": " tattoos." }, { "start": 1372.0, "end": 1373.0, "text": " Ooh." }, { "start": 1373.0, "end": 1375.0, "text": " What would I do?" }, { "start": 1375.0, "end": 1381.0, "text": " You just say I'd say get the tattoo, but I guess you need to somehow important your career" }, { "start": 1381.0, "end": 1382.0, "text": " and job is." }, { "start": 1382.0, "end": 1387.0, "text": " I think it goes back to what Bishop was saying though about being true to yourself and getting" }, { "start": 1387.0, "end": 1388.0, "text": " it for yourself." }, { "start": 1388.0, "end": 1392.0, "text": " I think if you're confident and you feel like you should be there." }, { "start": 1392.0, "end": 1393.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1393.0, "end": 1394.0, "text": " It doesn't matter if you've got a tattoo." }, { "start": 1394.0, "end": 1395.0, "text": " It's like a block kid." }, { "start": 1395.0, "end": 1396.0, "text": " I like it." }, { "start": 1396.0, "end": 1400.0, "text": " Skip school detention is not for me." }, { "start": 1400.0, "end": 1404.5, "text": " I think it depends on the person as well, the individual, because if there's a really low" }, { "start": 1404.5, "end": 1408.0, "text": " thing stacked against you and whatever job you want to do, you don't want to." }, { "start": 1408.0, "end": 1409.0, "text": " You consider it." }, { "start": 1409.0, "end": 1411.0, "text": " You're like, is this going to make my promise make it harder?" }, { "start": 1411.0, "end": 1413.0, "text": " I'd say just put it in, put on your t-shirt." }, { "start": 1413.0, "end": 1414.0, "text": " Get it on your bum." }, { "start": 1414.0, "end": 1415.0, "text": " Get it on your butt." }, { "start": 1415.0, "end": 1417.0, "text": " Stephen, that's quite discriminating, no?" }, { "start": 1417.0, "end": 1420.0, "text": " Because then I guess it's saying that it's unprofessional to have tattoos." }, { "start": 1420.0, "end": 1421.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1421.0, "end": 1422.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1422.0, "end": 1423.0, "text": " It's going to be different though." }, { "start": 1423.0, "end": 1428.0, "text": " I mean, our generation is we're all going to be super tattooed grandparents and stuff." }, { "start": 1428.0, "end": 1429.0, "text": " I think it's going to be." }, { "start": 1429.0, "end": 1430.0, "text": " You're going to do it in your own." }, { "start": 1430.0, "end": 1431.0, "text": " That'd be great." }, { "start": 1431.0, "end": 1432.0, "text": " Be old." }, { "start": 1432.0, "end": 1433.0, "text": " I'm going to have nine chins with tattoos on." }, { "start": 1433.0, "end": 1434.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1434.0, "end": 1435.0, "text": " I didn't know why." }, { "start": 1435.0, "end": 1438.0, "text": " That's never been the thing that convinced me not to get tattoos." }, { "start": 1438.0, "end": 1439.0, "text": " What are you doing in order?" }, { "start": 1439.0, "end": 1441.0, "text": " I'm going to look back at what a legend I was when I was young." }, { "start": 1441.0, "end": 1442.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1442.0, "end": 1446.2, "text": " This perfectly ties into a question, Becca sent in, which is I want to get a tattoo, but" }, { "start": 1446.2, "end": 1447.2, "text": " my parents won't let me." }, { "start": 1447.2, "end": 1450.0, "text": " They keep saying I should be afraid of what I look like when I'm an old woman." }, { "start": 1450.0, "end": 1451.0, "text": " Help." }, { "start": 1451.0, "end": 1453.0, "text": " So we've got a clip actually that relates to this." }, { "start": 1453.0, "end": 1458.0, "text": " Brenda and Pat came in a little while ago and you don't really see people there age sort" }, { "start": 1458.0, "end": 1460.0, "text": " of coming into a tattoo studio." }, { "start": 1460.0, "end": 1461.0, "text": " That's 78." }, { "start": 1461.0, "end": 1463.0, "text": " They're crazy ladies, which is great." }, { "start": 1463.0, "end": 1464.0, "text": " It's my sort of customers." }, { "start": 1464.0, "end": 1465.0, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1465.0, "end": 1466.0, "text": " Just strip off." }, { "start": 1466.0, "end": 1469.0, "text": " You're only having it done on your shoulder, Brad." }, { "start": 1469.0, "end": 1472.0, "text": " If you haven't got any trousers on, I'll take your trousers off." }, { "start": 1472.0, "end": 1477.0, "text": " I'm going to have a bottle of light on my left shoulder because I've seen it on other girls." }, { "start": 1477.0, "end": 1480.0, "text": " And I just think it's a lovely place to have it, particularly in the summer when you've" }, { "start": 1480.0, "end": 1482.0, "text": " got low cut dresses and that." }, { "start": 1482.0, "end": 1487.0, "text": " I know I'm getting on, but I still think it's very sexy." }, { "start": 1487.0, "end": 1495.0, "text": " That was a clip from Saturday Live on Radio 4." }, { "start": 1495.0, "end": 1496.0, "text": " I love Pat and Brenda." }, { "start": 1496.0, "end": 1497.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1497.0, "end": 1499.0, "text": " That's a bit of a wicket, doesn't it?" }, { "start": 1499.0, "end": 1501.0, "text": " It's like, why live with regrets?" }, { "start": 1501.0, "end": 1505.0, "text": " And here's the thing no one says, you can always just get it removed." }, { "start": 1505.0, "end": 1506.0, "text": " I was going to say that." }, { "start": 1506.0, "end": 1507.0, "text": " Yeah, that's true." }, { "start": 1507.0, "end": 1508.0, "text": " It is pretty painful." }, { "start": 1508.0, "end": 1509.0, "text": " Yeah, a bit." }, { "start": 1509.0, "end": 1510.0, "text": " It's just painful." }, { "start": 1510.0, "end": 1511.0, "text": " True." }, { "start": 1511.0, "end": 1514.0, "text": " But they freeze your skin and then they hit it with the laser and burn it off." }, { "start": 1514.0, "end": 1518.0, "text": " One thing she could do is get like a henna tattoo, version of whatever she's going to get." }, { "start": 1518.0, "end": 1519.0, "text": " True." }, { "start": 1519.0, "end": 1522.0, "text": " And then like just walk around with it and be like, Mum and Dad, look at my tattoo I've got." }, { "start": 1522.0, "end": 1523.0, "text": " That is the message that I do." }, { "start": 1523.0, "end": 1524.0, "text": " The message that I do." }, { "start": 1524.0, "end": 1527.0, "text": " Then she's like, oh, the world carried on existing and then go get a real one." }, { "start": 1527.0, "end": 1528.0, "text": " That's true." }, { "start": 1528.0, "end": 1529.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1529.0, "end": 1531.0, "text": " About my mum got her first tattoo when she was 40." }, { "start": 1531.0, "end": 1536.0, "text": " I went with her and she got a life health and prosperity and Egyptian hieroglyphs." }, { "start": 1536.0, "end": 1537.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1537.0, "end": 1538.0, "text": " That's awesome." }, { "start": 1538.0, "end": 1544.0, "text": " And then when she was 40, she was like, yeah, for my 50th birthday, I'm going to get around my whole waist in elf writing." }, { "start": 1544.0, "end": 1547.0, "text": " One ring to rule them all and in the darkness find them." }, { "start": 1547.0, "end": 1548.0, "text": " Oh, no." }, { "start": 1548.0, "end": 1549.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1549.0, "end": 1550.0, "text": " You know who he just got my mind." }, { "start": 1550.0, "end": 1553.0, "text": " I know for everyone in the family, I was like, we didn't even know you liked Lord of the ring." }, { "start": 1553.0, "end": 1555.0, "text": " But she never talks about it." }, { "start": 1555.0, "end": 1557.0, "text": " This is an anonymous question." }, { "start": 1557.0, "end": 1558.0, "text": " Exciting." }, { "start": 1558.0, "end": 1562.0, "text": " My friend is about to get a tattoo of his girlfriend's name on his back." }, { "start": 1562.0, "end": 1564.0, "text": " And she's doing the same." }, { "start": 1564.0, "end": 1565.0, "text": " Is this cute and romantic?" }, { "start": 1565.0, "end": 1566.0, "text": " Oh, I've been opinion about this." }, { "start": 1566.0, "end": 1568.0, "text": " Is this cute and romantic?" }, { "start": 1568.0, "end": 1573.0, "text": " Or should I warn him that the relationship might not last forever, but the tattoo will yikes." }, { "start": 1573.0, "end": 1576.0, "text": " If only we had someone who's made the similar." }, { "start": 1576.0, "end": 1577.0, "text": " Same." }, { "start": 1577.0, "end": 1579.0, "text": " I've got two from relationships." }, { "start": 1579.0, "end": 1580.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1580.0, "end": 1583.0, "text": " I've got a queen of hearts card on the back of my thigh." }, { "start": 1583.0, "end": 1585.0, "text": " And the top queen is me." }, { "start": 1585.0, "end": 1588.0, "text": " And the bottom queen was my ex girlfriend." }, { "start": 1588.0, "end": 1593.0, "text": " And then I've also got this symbol which we've both got which is kind of a woman has loved the woman." }, { "start": 1593.0, "end": 1596.0, "text": " And I know we're not together but to me it's memories." }, { "start": 1596.0, "end": 1597.0, "text": " Oh, that's good." }, { "start": 1597.0, "end": 1598.0, "text": " It sounds like you have a zen." }, { "start": 1598.0, "end": 1599.0, "text": " It's memories." }, { "start": 1599.0, "end": 1604.0, "text": " Yeah, I'm like, I've already squirted the other day that says, the fact that it hurts me lets me know it was real." }, { "start": 1604.0, "end": 1607.0, "text": " So even if I look back and I think, oh, we didn't last." }, { "start": 1607.0, "end": 1611.0, "text": " I still have the memories and the lessons that I've learned kind of things." }, { "start": 1611.0, "end": 1612.0, "text": " That is so." }, { "start": 1612.0, "end": 1614.0, "text": " It's not like, oh, I need to get this off me." }, { "start": 1614.0, "end": 1616.0, "text": " It's like, no, it was a part of my life." }, { "start": 1616.0, "end": 1617.0, "text": " Like school." }, { "start": 1617.0, "end": 1618.0, "text": " Yeah, part of your life." }, { "start": 1618.0, "end": 1621.0, "text": " Whether you were bullied or you were popular, it was a memory." }, { "start": 1621.0, "end": 1623.0, "text": " But you were the most beautiful symbols." }, { "start": 1623.0, "end": 1626.0, "text": " This was supposed to get like a full name." }, { "start": 1626.0, "end": 1628.0, "text": " Full names are what I would not recommend." }, { "start": 1628.0, "end": 1629.0, "text": " Do you have a full name?" }, { "start": 1629.0, "end": 1635.0, "text": " I don't have a full name of an ex but I have that nickname that I call there and then I have friends full names." }, { "start": 1635.0, "end": 1637.0, "text": " I would say advise against full names." }, { "start": 1637.0, "end": 1638.0, "text": " Go with something symbolic." }, { "start": 1638.0, "end": 1642.0, "text": " Like the Queen of Hearts thing is cool or just have a dinner party." }, { "start": 1642.0, "end": 1643.0, "text": " Here's another question." }, { "start": 1643.0, "end": 1650.0, "text": " This is from at imaginary really who says, I want to get a tattoo to piss off my parents but I can't decide what to get." }, { "start": 1650.0, "end": 1654.0, "text": " Ideas for tattoos that will annoy my parents the most, please." }, { "start": 1654.0, "end": 1658.0, "text": " So this sounds like it's time for Steve Alley's perspective." }, { "start": 1658.0, "end": 1663.0, "text": " Steve is from Syria and he's here every week to help us with the questions that we can't crack ourselves." }, { "start": 1663.0, "end": 1664.0, "text": " Steve?" }, { "start": 1664.0, "end": 1665.0, "text": " Hey, imaginary really." }, { "start": 1665.0, "end": 1669.0, "text": " Your problem reminds me of the time when I was living with my parents." }, { "start": 1669.0, "end": 1673.0, "text": " They used to annoy me and sometimes I wanted to do things to piss them off." }, { "start": 1673.0, "end": 1679.0, "text": " But then when Civil War broke out in Syria when I was 19 and we had to flee and I had to leave them," }, { "start": 1679.0, "end": 1684.0, "text": " I found that me having to get across dangerous borders and miss them whenever I could get signal" }, { "start": 1684.0, "end": 1688.0, "text": " from refugee camps freaked them out so much more than anything else I could do." }, { "start": 1688.0, "end": 1697.0, "text": " So I recommend if you really want to piss your parents off ghost stateless and let police hold the police and international governments do it for you." }, { "start": 1697.0, "end": 1700.0, "text": " In the meantime, why don't you tattoo?" }, { "start": 1700.0, "end": 1705.0, "text": " It's really cool to get in to live with my mum and dad on the back of your hands." }, { "start": 1705.0, "end": 1711.0, "text": " But having said that, I really want to get a tattoo that says their mask is on my wrist but I'm too scared of upsetting my mum." }, { "start": 1711.0, "end": 1713.0, "text": " So what do I know?" }, { "start": 1719.0, "end": 1722.0, "text": " So to wrap up, let's find out what we've learned this week." }, { "start": 1722.0, "end": 1723.0, "text": " Nud?" }, { "start": 1723.0, "end": 1728.0, "text": " Wait until you can afford to get a good one because you don't want the pain or the infections." }, { "start": 1728.0, "end": 1733.0, "text": " If you're ever shipwrecked, have a tattoo of a restaurant you've been." }, { "start": 1734.0, "end": 1737.0, "text": " Google the Beatles song that you're going to get before you get it." }, { "start": 1737.0, "end": 1740.0, "text": " Don't wear a string vest when you've got a nipple's piercing." }, { "start": 1740.0, "end": 1741.0, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1741.0, "end": 1745.0, "text": " If you're getting a friendship tattoo with someone, make sure they get it first." }, { "start": 1745.0, "end": 1752.0, "text": " I've learned to stop making excuses for not having a tattoo, blaming other people and just get one." }, { "start": 1752.0, "end": 1755.0, "text": " Be the ueest you that you can be." }, { "start": 1755.0, "end": 1756.0, "text": " I'm crying." }, { "start": 1756.0, "end": 1760.0, "text": " This thing off your mum and dad isn't as fun when you're in the national water." }, { "start": 1761.0, "end": 1763.0, "text": " That was great." }, { "start": 1763.0, "end": 1766.0, "text": " I think that's so much of my issue." }, { "start": 1767.0, "end": 1774.0, "text": " This has been grown upland with me, Mae Martin, Bishakai, Ali, Ned Sedgwick, our guest rocks in and Steve Ali." }, { "start": 1774.0, "end": 1779.0, "text": " It was co-created by Deborah Frances White for the spontaneity shop and BBC Radio 4." }, { "start": 1779.0, "end": 1780.0, "text": " The producer was Al Radell." }, { "start": 1780.0, "end": 1785.0, "text": " The clips you heard today were from Immortal Work of Art, The Listening Project and Saturday Live." }, { "start": 1785.0, "end": 1787.0, "text": " They're all available on Radio 4 and listen again." }, { "start": 1787.0, "end": 1791.0, "text": " If you enjoyed the show, don't forget to subscribe or leave a rating." }, { "start": 1793.0, "end": 1796.0, "text": " If I had to, I'd get a tattoo of a dog." }, { "start": 1796.0, "end": 1797.0, "text": " What kind of dog?" }, { "start": 1797.0, "end": 1801.0, "text": " A pomeranian mixed with a fox Terry that swipes and looks like an Arctic fox." }, { "start": 1806.0, "end": 1808.0, "text": " Have you got any tattoos, Rian?" }, { "start": 1808.0, "end": 1812.0, "text": " Eli, you don't know me well enough for me to divulge that sort of information." }, { "start": 1813.0, "end": 1815.0, "text": " That was grown upland." }, { "start": 1815.0, "end": 1819.0, "text": " If you want to get all the episodes delivered to you, search for it and subscribe." }, { "start": 1819.0, "end": 1821.0, "text": " Thanks very much for listening. 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