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        "text": " I'm Jennifer Stockburger."
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    {
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        "text": " I'm Steve Ehrlich."
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    {
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        "text": " I'm Jake Fisher."
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    {
        "start": 14.0,
        "end": 18.0,
        "text": " So we're at the time of year, little kind of doldrums of winter."
    },
    {
        "start": 18.0,
        "end": 25.0,
        "text": " But for us, we get super excited because it's that auto's moment, late winter, early spring,"
    },
    {
        "start": 25.0,
        "end": 29.0,
        "text": " when other than ourselves, we always focus on cars."
    },
    {
        "start": 29.0,
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        "text": " But the whole organization kind of comes around cars."
    },
    {
        "start": 32.0,
        "end": 33.0,
        "text": " We get a bunch of resources."
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        "start": 33.0,
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        "text": " We'll have a dedicated magazine."
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        "text": " The website gets focused on cars."
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        "start": 38.0,
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        "text": " Call it what you will."
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        "start": 39.0,
        "end": 41.0,
        "text": " Auto's moment, auto spotlight."
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        "start": 41.0,
        "end": 46.0,
        "text": " But a piece of that is our top picks for 2023."
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    {
        "start": 46.0,
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        "text": " And it's always interesting to see what falls there."
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    {
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        "text": " Before we start talking about them, Jake, just give us a quick refresher."
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        "text": " What makes a top pick for consumer?"
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        "text": " Basically the cars that I like."
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        "start": 58.0,
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        "text": " No."
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        "start": 59.0,
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        "text": " The Jake Fisher picks."
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    {
        "start": 61.0,
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        "text": " No, Evie, it's funny."
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    {
        "start": 63.0,
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        "text": " We're a bunch of car enthusiasts."
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        "start": 65.0,
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        "text": " Aren't necessarily car enthusiasts cars."
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        "start": 68.0,
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        "text": " I mean, I like weird cars."
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        "text": " These aren't them."
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        "text": " These are cars that really suit a lot of people."
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        "text": " People who are looking for a car, I mean, these are kind of where to start."
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        "start": 78.0,
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        "text": " And we break them up into different categories, different price categories, different use categories."
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        "text": " These are really just like the no-brainers of these cars."
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        "text": " And nor to be a top pick."
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        "start": 88.0,
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        "text": " Look, we test lots and lots of cars here."
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        "text": " We kind of sift through them, look at the top rated ones."
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        "start": 95.0,
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        "text": " Also, and when I say rated, you know, it's not just what we do out of the track."
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        "text": " We put through over 50 different tests."
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        "text": " It's also reliability, a huge part of it."
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        "start": 104.0,
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        "text": " And part of the reason why our top picks might be different from the top choices somewhere else."
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        "start": 109.0,
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        "text": " Because they're not layering in reliability."
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        "start": 111.0,
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        "text": " They're saying how well it did in their tests."
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        "start": 114.0,
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        "text": " Again, tests are important, reliability, safety issues, safety features."
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        "text": " It's required to have a lot of the latest standard safety features, the effective ones."
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        "text": " And that's how it come with our list."
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    {
        "start": 127.0,
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        "text": " And the criteria changes year over year."
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        "start": 130.0,
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        "text": " A new safety feature might be a requirement."
    },
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        "start": 133.0,
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        "text": " Yeah, I mean, as it was last year, yeah."
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        "start": 135.0,
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        "text": " Absolutely."
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        "start": 136.0,
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        "text": " So, I mean, when it comes to the safety features, I mean, look, consumers tell us all the time."
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        "start": 140.0,
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        "text": " Why are they looking for a new car? It's about safety."
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        "text": " Even if the car is not falling apart, obviously the newer cars have more safety features,"
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        "start": 148.0,
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        "text": " better crash production, all that."
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        "start": 150.0,
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        "text": " And today, when you're looking for a new car, you know, you ate automatic emergency braking."
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        "text": " Absolutely."
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        "start": 158.0,
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        "text": " There's a lot of different, these features that are just, and not just that,"
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        "text": " but ones that detect pedestrians, ones that operate at all, so highway speeds as well."
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        "text": " These are things that just, you know, you should expect when you're riding a new car."
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        "text": " Raising the bar."
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        "text": " Raising the bar."
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        "text": " Raising the safety feature."
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        "text": " Yeah, exactly."
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        "start": 176.0,
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        "text": " And two."
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        "text": " So today, rather than focusing, just literally walking through the list,"
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        "text": " I think the more interesting part for this conversation is a little bit of the trends."
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        "text": " So, the first one is there are so many hybrids."
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        "text": " So, five of the 10 top picks this year are hybrid versions, mainstream models,"
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        "start": 195.0,
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        "text": " Corolla's Santa Fe's, Cameras, things like that."
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        "text": " But if you even want to go a little deeper, seven of the 10 have some level of electrification."
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        "text": " And I know, Steve, you shared, it's not just that we're testing more of them,"
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        "text": " and there's more out there."
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        "start": 210.0,
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        "text": " But in our data, it talked about liability owner satisfaction,"
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        "text": " the popularity has allowed this separation."
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        "start": 217.0,
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        "text": " Yeah, so this year we were able to separate out the hybrid from their just regular gas versions."
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        "text": " In our survey as well."
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        "text": " So we were able to calculate reliability owner satisfaction separately for a lot of these for Corolla versus Corolla hybrid, for example."
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        "start": 234.0,
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        "text": " And for those that we have enough sample size on, I mean, this has been incredible to be able to compare electrified versus non-electrified vehicles."
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        "start": 244.0,
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        "text": " And the owner satisfaction and reliability has driven these kind of over their traditional gas powered counter."
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        "start": 252.0,
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        "text": " Yes, definitely."
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        "text": " Yes, definitely."
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        "start": 254.0,
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        "text": " Yeah, and I think of the Corolla hybrid."
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        "start": 257.0,
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        "text": " I don't care what boxes your priorities are other than maybe performance."
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        "start": 262.0,
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        "text": " But when you look at complement of safety, 48 miles per gallon, a $25,000 price tag."
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    {
        "start": 269.0,
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        "text": " Right, right."
    },
    {
        "start": 270.0,
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        "text": " And for me, 2023, all-wheel drive."
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        "start": 273.0,
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        "text": " I was just like, wow."
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        "start": 274.0,
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        "text": " That's an amazing package."
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        "start": 276.0,
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        "text": " That's an amazing package for 25 grand."
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        "start": 278.0,
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        "text": " And I think of the people I just had a conversation with friends."
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        "text": " They would love to get a Tesla."
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        "text": " Love to get a Tesla."
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        "start": 285.0,
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        "text": " But they travel again, like I do to Vermont."
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        "start": 288.0,
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        "text": " And they're like, and they often go to JFK."
    },
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        "start": 291.0,
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        "text": " They fly, you know, internationally, and they leave a car JFK."
    },
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        "start": 294.0,
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        "text": " And I said, just get a car over."
    },
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        "start": 296.0,
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        "text": " That was my answer."
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        "start": 297.0,
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        "text": " I'm like, get your Tesla and get a Corolla for that trip."
    },
    {
        "start": 300.0,
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        "text": " But anyway."
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        "start": 301.0,
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        "text": " It's not quite as fun to drive as the Tesla."
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        "text": " Not quite as fast."
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        "start": 305.0,
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        "text": " But again, when it comes to practicality, I mean, it just cannot be done."
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        "start": 309.0,
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        "text": " And Jake, we've done, you've done specifically, Jake's done."
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        "start": 313.0,
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        "text": " Some recent cost comparisons work about hybrids versus gas counter parts and EVs."
    },
    {
        "start": 320.0,
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        "text": " Yeah, you know, it's really interesting."
    },
    {
        "start": 322.0,
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        "text": " So this is actually, yeah, we have a whole article about this, kind of like, you know,"
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        "text": " well, the EV save you money."
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        "start": 327.0,
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        "text": " And it looked as a whole lot of details about it."
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        "start": 329.0,
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        "text": " But we really kind of took this kind of laser focus on just the fuel going into it."
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        "text": " The energy going into it."
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        "start": 337.0,
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        "text": " And, you know, I think it's pretty common knowledge that, you know, electric vehicles,"
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        "text": " the electricity is going to be cheaper than the gasoline prices."
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        "text": " That's pretty much common knowledge."
    },
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        "start": 345.0,
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        "text": " But it's not that simple."
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        "start": 346.0,
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        "text": " Right."
    },
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        "start": 347.0,
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        "text": " And when we really kind of laser focus then it, you know what?"
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        "start": 350.0,
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        "text": " Look, gas prices are different across the country."
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        "text": " Electric prices are radically different across the country."
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        "start": 357.0,
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        "text": " So it really comes down to what is your alternative, what kind of car you want, and where do you live?"
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        "start": 364.0,
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        "text": " Right."
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    {
        "start": 365.0,
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        "text": " And we found some surprises, I think, you know, when you look at, you know, when you look"
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        "text": " at like a Nissan leaf for that Corolla hybrid, if you live in New England like we do, it's"
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        "text": " actually cheaper to pay for the gas for the Corolla hybrid at 48 miles per gallon, then the"
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        "text": " electricity for that leaf."
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        "text": " Now, New England is not everywhere."
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    {
        "start": 383.0,
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        "text": " Right."
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        "start": 384.0,
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        "text": " If you live elsewhere in the country, it's going to be cheaper to drive that electric car for sure."
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        "text": " And depending on what kind of car you're looking at."
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        "start": 390.0,
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        "text": " So, like, look, if you were looking at a Tesla Model 3 versus a 3 Series BMW, you know what?"
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        "start": 396.0,
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        "text": " Yeah, the Tesla is so efficient, no matter where you are."
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        "start": 400.0,
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        "text": " But if you're looking for a smallest UV like a Tucson hybrid or something like that, you don't"
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        "text": " have a choice of a $30,000 EV that's that kind of size."
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        "text": " You kind of go, have to go much more expensive."
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    {
        "start": 414.0,
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        "text": " So it's a complicated thing."
    },
    {
        "start": 415.0,
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        "text": " I mean, obviously, you know, you could read all about kind of what our analysis was."
    },
    {
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        "text": " And that's why I was just going to say that."
    },
    {
        "start": 420.0,
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        "text": " But you really want to dig in for your electric rates and your area to do the cost."
    },
    {
        "start": 426.0,
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        "text": " Yeah, and you know, look, I mean, we live in a world soundbites, right?"
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    {
        "start": 429.0,
        "end": 430.0,
        "text": " Right."
    },
    {
        "start": 430.0,
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        "text": " Either like EVs are no good or EVs are the only way."
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        "start": 432.0,
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        "text": " You know, I mean, the truth is there's new wants and it is complicated."
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        "start": 435.0,
        "end": 436.0,
        "text": " Right."
    },
    {
        "start": 436.0,
        "end": 437.0,
        "text": " And you have to do it for you."
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        "start": 437.0,
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        "text": " We were also talking about, you can appreciate this."
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        "text": " We were saying how, what is it about us as humans as when we have to take our debit card out or our wallet out and buy fuel?"
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        "text": " It seems so much different than it's just in my electric bill."
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        "text": " There's something about it feels baked in and like, oh, you're driving for free, but you're really not."
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        "text": " Well, it's not broken out."
    },
    {
        "start": 458.0,
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        "text": " So like, it's funny."
    },
    {
        "start": 459.0,
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        "text": " You look at your credit card and I could go and like, I mean, my credit card bill like this is how much I spent on Starbucks or whatever."
    },
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        "start": 464.0,
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        "text": " But you go to your electric bill and it's like, I don't know, maybe you were running the AC a lot this year."
    },
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        "text": " You know, if you could take your house apart and go, oh, my key left is light on."
    },
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        "text": " This much energy is coming from Griffin's room and this energy is coming from my car charger."
    },
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        "text": " You have to do the math."
    },
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        "start": 479.0,
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        "text": " I mean, the car charger does have information about that."
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        "text": " But you got to do the math."
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        "start": 483.0,
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        "text": " It seems easier."
    },
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        "text": " That's like if you're home charging."
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        "start": 486.0,
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        "text": " I mean, if you're out and about somewhere, it's probably more expensive to charge your car at another location as well."
    },
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        "start": 491.0,
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        "text": " So you have to take that and take consideration as well."
    },
    {
        "start": 493.0,
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        "text": " Right. And there's some home charging and online houses."
    },
    {
        "start": 495.0,
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        "text": " Oh, yeah. I guess you get very expensive out there."
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        "start": 497.0,
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        "text": " The good news is just recently we also at ConsumerPorts.org."
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        "start": 502.0,
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        "text": " There's a new, what we're calling the hybrid in EV hub."
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        "start": 507.0,
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        "text": " A lot of this data separating these models."
    },
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        "text": " Check it out. Consumer Reports.org."
    },
    {
        "start": 512.0,
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        "text": " So if you're specifically looking at, I like the education part too."
    },
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        "start": 516.0,
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        "text": " Hi, Brits. What's hybrid was plug in hybrid."
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        "start": 518.0,
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        "text": " So many different levels of electrification."
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        "start": 520.0,
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        "text": " Many different levels."
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        "text": " The other trend."
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        "text": " No surprise probably to people is the number of Toyota and Lexus vehicles."
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        "text": " Four of the 10 vehicles are Toyota or Lexus models."
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        "start": 533.0,
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        "text": " And what drives their positions there?"
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        "text": " I mean, Toyota's in Lexus, you know, you think of those brands that's reliability and safety."
    },
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        "start": 541.0,
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        "text": " So that's why they're making it onto this top picks list."
    },
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        "start": 544.0,
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        "text": " Yep."
    },
    {
        "start": 545.0,
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        "text": " And that doesn't necessarily mean it's the top on the brand report card that takes into consideration overall score."
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        "text": " Right."
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        "text": " you know what, there's a lot of chargers around."
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        "text": " As always, we love them, talking cars at icolab.com,"
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        "text": " This is a great question because it comes from Jeremy,"
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        "text": " age 10, and Jeremy's dad Paul, based in parentheses."
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        "text": " That's really cool."
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        "text": " So it's really a different set of problems,"
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        "text": " and it's possible that the,"
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        "text": " it took a while for these to really come up,"
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        "text": " and seven years later, it's more problematic"
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        "text": " than the average seven-year-old vehicle."
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        "text": " But when it was compared to that same model."
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        "text": " It's relative to the same model year."
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        "text": " But in 2015, maybe it was similar to"
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        "text": " the other average reliable cars of that year."
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        "text": " It should be at least average when it's brand new."
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        "text": " I mean, that's the hope anyway."
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        "end": 1073.56,
        "text": " Sometimes launches don't work."
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        "text": " Yeah, exactly."
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        "text": " It's a different thing."
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        "text": " If you're just keeping a car for a year,"
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        "text": " probably you're concerned about long-term reliability"
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        "end": 1081.96,
        "text": " is different."
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        "text": " If you're keeping this car for 10 years,"
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    {
        "start": 1084.04,
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        "text": " it's different because a lot of those problems"
    },
    {
        "start": 1086.92,
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        "text": " can take a while to kind of crop up."
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    {
        "start": 1089.04,
        "end": 1090.2,
        "text": " Yeah, you know what I've always said?"
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    {
        "start": 1090.2,
        "end": 1091.72,
        "text": " I think I've said it in interviews."
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    {
        "start": 1091.72,
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        "text": " It's separating the cars that age gracefully"
    },
    {
        "start": 1094.92,
        "end": 1096.04,
        "text": " from those that don't."
    },
    {
        "start": 1096.04,
        "end": 1099.56,
        "text": " So in 2015, GMC Yukon didn't age as gracefully"
    },
    {
        "start": 1099.56,
        "end": 1100.36,
        "text": " as something else."
    },
    {
        "start": 1100.36,
        "end": 1101.36,
        "text": " Yeah, fairly no."
    },
    {
        "start": 1101.36,
        "end": 1103.24,
        "text": " So that will do it for this episode."
    },
    {
        "start": 1103.24,
        "end": 1104.92,
        "text": " Check out all the new stuff,"
    },
    {
        "start": 1104.92,
        "end": 1106.72,
        "text": " all of the auto-spot light work,"
    },
    {
        "start": 1106.72,
        "end": 1108.92,
        "text": " the EV and hybrid hub,"
    },
    {
        "start": 1108.92,
        "end": 1110.68,
        "text": " consumerreports.org."
    },
    {
        "start": 1110.68,
        "end": 1112.36,
        "text": " As always, thanks for listening."
    },
    {
        "start": 1112.36,
        "end": 1113.8,
        "text": " Thanks for watching."
    },
    {
        "start": 1113.8,
        "end": 1118.0,
        "text": " This episode was filmed and edited by David Abrams,"
    },
    {
        "start": 1118.0,
        "end": 1120.32,
        "text": " Anatoliy Shomsky and Andrew Belice."
    },
    {
        "start": 1120.32,
        "end": 1121.84,
        "text": " And we will see you next week."
    }
]