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        "text": " What is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast"
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    {
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        "text": " this time a bit of a fun special one."
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        "text": " So a bit of a background."
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        "text": " We've been making lots of videos on tech for a long time right?"
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        "text": " Lots of consumer electronics, lots of tech companies and the stories behind them."
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        "text": " But you might have noticed lately in the past couple of years we've seen more and more"
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        "text": " climate related messaging from these companies as we all sort of get on the same page that"
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        "text": " they should be more responsible about their impact on the climate."
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        "text": " You might remember the sketch with Tim Cook and Mother Nature and the last Apple event"
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        "text": " or any number of various quotes about percent of recycled materials in this and sustainability"
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        "text": " reusability that in any sort of key notes we've been noticing lately."
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        "text": " And I want to be able to analyze all that but I don't know nearly enough about it to make"
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        "text": " really good analysis of that."
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        "text": " So this episode we have someone who can."
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        "text": " So Raleigh from Climate Town is joining us David's to my left, Raleigh's to my right."
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        "text": " We're going to talk about all of these companies, their claims."
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        "text": " We're going to zoom out as far as we can to try to understand what they're doing and what"
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        "text": " they maybe should be doing."
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        "text": " And I think this is a really good conversation to have."
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        "text": " So Raleigh thanks for joining me."
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    {
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        "text": " Thank you so much for having me."
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        "text": " I'm really excited to be in the in the layer."
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        "text": " Yeah."
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        "text": " In the hot seat."
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        "text": " Yeah."
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        "text": " I mean we we have a ton of questions and I feel like probably the best pace to start is"
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        "text": " with what you do."
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        "text": " So your YouTube channel Climate Town, I've watched a bunch of the videos."
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        "text": " Thank you so much."
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        "text": " Some of them incredibly informative about things that I never would have even thought to"
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        "text": " look into like recycling."
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        "text": " The latest one about roads."
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        "text": " Oh yeah."
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        "text": " A lot of really good stuff."
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        "text": " What is your elevator pitch?"
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        "text": " How do you describe what you do when people ask?"
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        "text": " That's my favorite question asked creators."
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        "text": " My elevator, I've finally gotten around to telling people at parties that like they're"
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        "text": " like what do you do?"
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        "text": " And I say I'm a YouTuber and I don't have to like back up and be like."
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        "text": " I like to do climate stuff."
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        "text": " Do we can we swear on this?"
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        "text": " There's like bleeping."
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        "text": " Yeah."
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        "text": " Yeah."
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        "text": " So my new elevator pitch is that I'm like a extremely low budget John Oliver."
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        "text": " We're like we're trying to get to that sort of like John Wilson and John Oliver kind of"
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        "text": " together because we we go out into the field and taught and like you know on location shooting"
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        "text": " but it's always based on something about the climate crisis."
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        "text": " Yeah."
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        "text": " And the biggest pitch."
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        "text": " I think the natural follow up question would be why is that the topic that you dive into"
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        "text": " so often."
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        "text": " So what the answer to that being your education?"
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        "start": 156.88,
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        "text": " Yeah."
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        "text": " Yeah."
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        "text": " So I used to make billiards videos very regularly."
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        "text": " My start on YouTube was as a billiards influencer."
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        "text": " And oh wow."
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        "text": " Yeah."
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        "text": " And like they're out there."
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        "text": " We exist ping pong table up and not the pool table."
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        "text": " We do have a billiards table."
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        "text": " I saw it."
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        "text": " It clocked that."
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        "text": " And it sticks but they're all the same kind which means like we're bought in bulk which"
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        "text": " means they're probably not high."
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        "text": " We're pretty average."
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        "text": " I was I was clocking it."
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        "text": " It's trying to see if these guys were hustlers or not."
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        "text": " But that doesn't mean you're not."
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        "text": " You could have them and be like oh yeah these second and layer of hustling."
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        "text": " That's right."
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        "text": " Interesting."
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        "text": " Yeah."
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        "text": " So I did like a bunch of pool videos and I kind of like honed my chops of editing and"
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        "text": " hosting through the pool videos."
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        "text": " And then I moved to New York to do comedy in the first place."
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        "text": " I was doing a comedy show and I was the question how did I get into this?"
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        "text": " Sorry."
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        "text": " Why?"
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        "text": " Why climate as the top?"
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        "start": 209.4,
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        "text": " Oh yeah."
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        "text": " Yeah."
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        "text": " So I was doing a comedy show and I was the comedy show was like I'm sort of a strung out"
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        "text": " algorithm or kind of figure doing like an I told you so tour."
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        "text": " Like I called it."
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        "text": " I knew it was climate change was happening."
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        "text": " And then I had enough climate experts and climate scientists on the show like in a comedic"
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        "text": " way like I'd interview them in character and then we'd have like comedians from SNL"
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        "text": " and Jimmy Fallon come on the show because they're all in New York."
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        "text": " You can just get them and you can throw a little net out and they'll come run."
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        "text": " And then eventually six months into doing this show and enough conversations with these"
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        "text": " like climate scientists around the beer after the show and we're like so we're going to"
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        "text": " be fine right?"
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        "text": " And they're like no we're way further away from where we need to be."
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        "text": " And so then I was like okay well if I go back to grad school and study climate science"
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        "text": " and policy I can make a really good comedy show and maybe through that I can like be a good"
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        "text": " climate communicator."
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        "text": " So then I did that and that's where the show came in."
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        "text": " Interesting."
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        "text": " How long did that take you to complete?"
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        "text": " It was a two year I took I did the program in two years but one of the years one and a"
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        "text": " half of the years were during COVID so it was like."
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        "text": " It was a very expensive university of Phoenix but it was Columbia so they charged Columbia"
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        "text": " prices for like not really knowing how to do it online institution."
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        "text": " Yeah super early on that."
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        "text": " So coming out the other side of that now you've seen you've learned a lot about climate"
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        "text": " and the situation we find ourselves in."
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        "text": " Have you also noticed this increase in messaging from these tech companies?"
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        "text": " I don't know how many keynotes you get to watch but they all sort of seem to talk about"
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        "text": " recycling at some point now."
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        "text": " Yeah yeah I mean I think it's it's certainly as of like the 2015's with the Paris Climate"
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        "text": " Accord like that sort of sparked this avalanche of like climate pledges and companies realizing"
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        "text": " like that consumers really were interested in having a planet where they could still you"
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        "text": " know fish and ski and that."
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        "text": " So I think they're realizing like oh this is going to be an important piece of our company"
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        "text": " going forward and so they're all getting on on board with like pledges which are not"
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        "text": " actions but yeah close."
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        "text": " There's a difference between promises and what we actually see happen."
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        "text": " Sure yeah."
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        "text": " And something we also talk about a lot when we see these promises is how much does X company"
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        "text": " actually care like trying to judge based on their promise and their actions does it"
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        "text": " seem like they actually care about the environment."
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        "text": " Ah and that is a tough question."
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        "text": " You know what I it's almost not it's almost not a question I think is that meaningful"
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        "text": " to their actions because you don't have to care about the planet to do a good thing"
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        "text": " for the planet and you could care about the planet and do a bad thing for the planet right"
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        "text": " like I don't I don't really care if Apple wants me to have a nice evening out but like"
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        "text": " if they are you know promoting recite and if they're they're truly like trying to recollect"
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        "text": " all of their cobalt for instance to reuse in their batteries like that's a whether"
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        "text": " it's for their marketing or for the planet."
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        "text": " I don't care you know just get the cobalt yeah totally fair."
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        "text": " They're the cobalt there was a thing in the most recent Apple keynote where they were"
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        "text": " like we now can fit way more Apple watches on one car is greatly involved and in the"
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        "text": " back of my head I'm thinking well that's saving you a lot on shipping costs."
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        "text": " So I guess it can be both right."
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        "text": " Yeah I mean I think honestly the only way they're going to do this is if it is both which sucks"
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        "text": " for us but like them's the breaks like that's the that's the system that we have not"
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        "text": " so much voted for but that the corporate interests have like lobbied for and like you know"
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    {
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        "text": " it's it's sort of a you got to do a double pronged attack single prong no two prongs a prong"
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        "text": " is an individual thing okay double pronged attack yeah yeah yeah I feel like the way I"
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        "text": " I see that is every decision that we see a public facing company make always has the"
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        "text": " public facing reason and then the private reason usually it's this makes us look good this"
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        "text": " makes us more money but also like we care about the money a lot that's kind of what we do"
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        "text": " yeah that's their whole thing kind of our whole deal in fact a lot of money like they have"
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        "text": " they look the fiduciary obligation to the shareholders and the board of directors like"
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        "text": " you have to grow you have to make money and you have to make the decisions that you can"
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        "text": " justify will make you the most money or they will fire you yep and so like yeah I don't"
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    {
        "start": 479.48,
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        "text": " know it's it's a tough system to yeah yeah have a beneficial outcome for them so in the"
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        "text": " context of all this knowing that these companies need to make money and that they have this massive"
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        "text": " impact on the environment and knowing that we are in a particularly delicate place with our"
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        "text": " climate right now I figured we'd go over these like three big bullet points maybe they're"
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        "text": " not even the best bullet points you can let me know but these three big bullet points that I"
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        "text": " think encapsulate a pretty good understanding of everything that will need to know to make"
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        "text": " decisions about these companies those being carbon emissions clean energy and recycling we see a"
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        "text": " lot about all these things I think we'll probably talk a lot about Apple in this because they are"
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    {
        "start": 518.28,
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        "text": " so public about it but a lot of companies sort of follow in their footsteps and do similar stuff"
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        "text": " so I'll start with carbon emissions just in general well first we should just set the baseline"
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        "text": " what are carbon emissions and why are they bad sure yeah just so we all on the same page what is"
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        "text": " carbon on the periodic table element six nice yeah I got it okay I had to go through that in my"
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        "text": " head yeah so I mean it's an incredible element right it's it forms tetrahedral bonds at a 109.5"
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        "text": " degree bond angle I think that's right you can look that up that one that one did you take organic"
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        "text": " chemistry oh yeah baby I tie I tie T8 an organic chemistry class yeah so that's the correct angle"
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        "text": " I I hope so somebody is going to be like actually that's is it possible for humans to form that kind"
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        "text": " leave a comment and I'll respond to it and I'll say thanks Jackson um yeah so mass balance is a"
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        "text": " you know in the same way it's like oh it's a hundred percent recycled plastic in the in the"
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        "text": " because when you are recycling something you're mixing all the molecules together just like the"
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        "text": " okay it's a way to kind of couch it a little bit yeah and the thing you mentioned also with the"
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        "text": " be the outside but what you're holding and you're holding recycled aluminum that's great but"
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        "text": " and and like I just want to make sure I'm I'm clear here like this is a good thing to be recycling"
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        "text": " do we like spin this in one line and make it really pop yeah and that's where this sort of like"
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        "text": " judo comes in so I want to say like great job on the fifty eight percent of recycled material"
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        "text": " let's see how high we can get that but then when you see a quote that's like a hundred percent"
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        "text": " recycled and you're like well back away from the table like a blackjack dealer and like move on"
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        "text": " to the next thing like you can't you can't let them stop at a hundred percent when a hundred percent"
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        "text": " is fifty right right but it's good but it's not there yet yeah yeah yeah says the aluminum in the"
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        "text": " fifty eight percent is fifty eight percent no one can do that math that's too hard yeah and that"
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        "text": " to me that is the exact fruit juice thing that right there yeah aluminum in the enclosure of the"
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        "text": " recycled content yeah okay fifty percent of the time it works every time yeah that"
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        "text": " their best you know I don't know there's no I think it's easy especially in a special"
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        "text": " can you type the alphabet wait five point nine seconds would you like to prove that oh no but yeah"
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        "text": " wow well played thank you very much but the five point I feel like if if I get a trophy for 5.9"
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        "text": " you get to pick like how far along a subject you get into and it's probably worth your time to"
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        "text": " understand the climate crisis as deeply as you can you'll never waste your time researching the"
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        "text": " stuff um so by all means please go research because there's like a bajillion things that I have no"
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        "text": " clue about and I'm gonna spend the rest of my life trying to figure them out yeah if you"
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        "text": " make it that far I just get shot it's been a sting operation from a different oh my god"
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        "start": 4647.160000000001,
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        "text": " yeah I think you meant climate change mega death not like oh like big oil is absolutely wrong"
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    {
        "start": 4653.32,
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        "text": " what is this podcast but I think in general it is you're right it's a good idea to to learn about"
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        "start": 4659.08,
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        "text": " the world we live in about the about this planet we only have one of them so it's pretty uh"
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        "text": " it's pretty important yeah worth looking into yeah uh this been this has been really fun like I said"
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        "start": 4670.2,
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        "text": " we'll have you back we'll talk about EVs we'll do this again do but until the next one where can"
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        "start": 4674.44,
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        "text": " they find you on the internet okay yeah um youtube I have a youtube channel called climate town"
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    {
        "start": 4681.24,
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        "text": " check that out we have 24 videos out or something so it won't even take you that long to go through"
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    {
        "start": 4687.16,
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        "text": " them all their bangers though they're like 20 30 minute time pieces that's sometimes not how people"
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        "text": " describe bangers I think they're like that's how on youtube 2023 when I see a 25 minute video"
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        "text": " myself I'm like oh I'm popping the pop on the camera this is a good one oh I then then they are"
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        "text": " bang they are indeed bangers bangers to the last fingers only yeah bangers only that's a good like"
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        "start": 4708.04,
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        "text": " that's my website bangers only dot net bangers only dot yeah you have to plug that"
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        "text": " in here it was an apple it was an apple it was like plugging time yeah fucker no it's totally fine I"
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    {
        "start": 4718.28,
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        "text": " I'm gonna go there after this and yeah so that's that's the youtube channel the climate"
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        "text": " deniers playbook check that out that's me and my comedy partner slash friend Nicole Conlon"
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        "text": " she got a plug she wretched for the daily show so she's really smart and really funny"
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    {
        "start": 4736.36,
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        "text": " um those are the two big ones followers on instagram were like just at climate town and at deniers"
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        "text": " playbook everywhere we have a patreon page if you're feeling like you got an extra five bucks"
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    {
        "start": 4747.16,
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        "text": " that you want to throw my way that'd be cool the plug sound is gonna make me really self-conscious"
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        "start": 4754.36,
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        "text": " about what's what's what's what I'm plugging in that we have a whole lighting queue with it too oh"
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    {
        "start": 4758.2,
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        "text": " really that was a plug for the lighting queue this is cool and then also if you if you want to"
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    {
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        "text": " just get a little goofy with it I have a billiards channel if you just type my name we can make"
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        "text": " this one serious okay since the dawn of time mankind is wondered how do you hit a ball with a"
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    {
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        "text": " stick into another ball into a hole and all these questions and more are answered at the youtube"
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        "start": 4784.76,
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        "text": " channel rolly williams um yeah but don't do the climate town ones first don't do that one first"
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    {
        "start": 4791.88,
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        "text": " people only if there's if you you are like I need more vitamin him in my life like then go check"
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    {
        "start": 4798.28,
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        "text": " that out but not before you check out climate town that's it there it is yeah thank you guys so much"
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        "text": " for watching for listening for subscribing of course and for liking and we'll read your comments"
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        "text": " catch you guys in the next one peace go far away from us produced by adam elita and elis rovin we"
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        "text": " you guys ready for the next section yes yeah all right all right let's get it"
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        "text": " I'm about to recycle a bunch of jokes nice okay perfect"
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        "text": " I don't know what it is but you got it brother yeah you're gonna make it in this town kid yeah"
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