Transcipts_base/Collaborative leadership in addressing sexual and domestic violence .json

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        "text": " Hello everyone, this is Elizabeth Campbell, president of USU."
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        "text": " I'm the host of this podcast, which is called Future Casting with Utah State."
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        "text": " Today I'm talking to Rachel Louise Snyder and Jill Anderson above what it takes to"
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        "text": " successfully address sexual and domestic violence in our communities."
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        "text": " Jill is the author of No Visible Bruses, but we don't know about domestic violence"
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        "text": " can kill us."
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        "text": " And the keynote speaker for the Northern Utah Conference to End Violence at USU's Logan"
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        "text": " campus on May 29th."
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        "text": " Jill Anderson is the CEO and Executive Director of CAPSA, which she will describe for us,"
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        "text": " which is a non-profit domestic violence sexual abuse and rape recovery center serving"
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        "text": " cash county in the Bear Lake area."
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        "text": " So welcome to both of you and thank you Rachel for joining us today and especially thank"
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        "text": " you for joining us at our conference to End Violence, which we feel is a really important"
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        "text": " part of what we do as a regional public service university is really keep the attention"
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        "text": " on things that are important to our community."
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        "text": " So I might start with a question and ask each of you has worked around and with and looking"
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        "text": " at domestic violence."
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        "text": " And I might ask you each to do just sort of an introduction to who you are with that"
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        "text": " context, with that domestic violence context."
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        "text": " How did you get here and what have you done?"
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        "text": " And we'll start with Rachel."
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        "text": " Well, thank you for having me."
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        "text": " It's really a pleasure and I have come recently to the joys of Utah just in the last couple"
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        "text": " of years visited and I just I'm super excited to come back to return and it's just a beautiful"
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        "text": " state and you have people doing incredible work in Utah."
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        "text": " We do."
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        "text": " We do."
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        "text": " So that's really exciting to me."
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        "text": " One of the great benefits I get in my life is that I get to be able to go around and see"
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        "text": " all the exciting new work that people are doing in this area."
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        "text": " So I mean, I came to domestic violence sort of late in my career."
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        "text": " I'd been doing stories of human rights abuses and violence from around the world."
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        "text": " And so I really hadn't thought much about domestic violence, which is ironic because I did"
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        "text": " have some violence in my background as a kid."
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        "text": " I wrote a memoir that came out fairly recently called Women Willy Barred Women We Burned"
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        "text": " and which I talk a little bit about this."
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        "text": " But even as someone who has spoken to so many other people about the violence in their"
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        "text": " lives, I really didn't make the connections in my own life until I was really starting"
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        "text": " to write about my early years."
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        "text": " So I was lucky enough to meet a woman who her name is Cezanne Dubuce."
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        "text": " She works in Massachusetts who has been working in the domestic violence sphere for four decades"
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        "text": " now, almost four decades."
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        "text": " And really walked me through all of the myth around domestic violence, right?"
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        "text": " Why we shouldn't be asking, you know, why doesn't that person just leave the ways in which"
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        "text": " we criminalize victims, the ways in which we children bear the brunt of abuse, but also"
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        "text": " like that there are things that we can do to change it."
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        "text": " And there are things that we can do to address it."
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        "text": " So I've kind of made it my sort of full crumb upon which my journalistic career spins,"
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        "text": " trying to bring this message to our communities that we don't actually have to live with this"
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        "text": " type of violence."
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        "text": " You don't."
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        "text": " And Jill, you're like the perfect segue because you focus on your community and our community."
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        "text": " I like to think that most people in this area, right until we call it Cash Valley, and"
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        "text": " it is in fact a pretty long skinny valley with maybe five or six major towns in it that"
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        "text": " everyone knows about Capsa, but I'm not sure that all of our listeners would."
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        "text": " When you dedicate your life to an organization, essentially, you're always surprised to find"
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        "text": " how many folks don't understand or know about Capsa."
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        "text": " But thank you for asking me to join today."
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        "text": " When I was attending Utah State University as a student, I had decided to dedicate, you"
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        "text": " know, was really interested in how do I help at-risk youth and started working at the"
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        "text": " local youth detention center."
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        "text": " I didn't really feel like we were able to make a difference in that system for those"
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        "text": " at-risk youth and often sending them back to situations where it was difficult to see"
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        "text": " how they would have a chance of breaking out of that."
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        "text": " And I started volunteering at Capsa, and I could see that the work that we were doing"
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        "text": " there, if I could help women and moms create safe and stable homes for their children, that"
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        "text": " ultimately we would be reaching those at-risk youth that I wanted to reach."
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        "text": " And so I've spent the last 30 years of my career working with women primarily in children"
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        "text": " and youth who are victims of domestic and sexual violence."
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        "text": " And I've had the experience, really, of viewing and visiting your facilities and seeing sort"
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        "text": " of viscerally the work that you do, and we're lucky to have it."
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        "text": " But I also am really grateful that the language that we now use in this community about domestic"
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        "text": " violence and about sexual violence is in many ways propelled by the work that you do"
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        "text": " and the way that you talk about yourselves in everything from your bus wraps to things"
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        "text": " like this podcast."
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        "text": " I think it's actually transformational for our community to have a resource like that"
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        "text": " that creates the right narrative or the narrative that you create."
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        "text": " You know, I always try to honor the work of our founders that started this in 1976."
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        "text": " They started it originally known as the Cash Valley Rape Crisis Team, and when I think"
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        "text": " about the culture and the times in a very conservative community back in the mid to late"
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        "text": " 70s, that the courage that it took for them to start saying the words even in our community"
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        "text": " And one of our founders, Jenny Box, going home and telling her husband, we are going to"
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        "text": " shelter victims in our own home."
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        "text": " And he was a dean at the College of Natural Resources at the time just saying, well,"
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        "text": " okay, I guess I, any thought, three or four families a year we can handle that."
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        "text": " They had three families show up the first week and from their living room to what you"
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        "text": " see today has really been built over, you know, four decades now."
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        "text": " And I try to honor those founders that had the courage to start those conversations in"
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        "text": " And create that service model."
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        "text": " Because I'm not sure what my spouse would say if I said I was going to bring home three"
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        "text": " families to shelter them in our home."
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        "text": " Yeah, he talks about not thinking through the liability and the safety and all of that."
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        "text": " And they realized, you know, if you look at our organization today, almost all of our"
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        "text": " programs have a founding story like that where we recognized that we weren't meeting the"
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        "text": " needs of survivors that there was a barrier they were facing and we needed to start that."
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        "text": " And one of the early things that they noticed was we can't provide the safety they need."
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        "text": " We can't provide the confidentiality."
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        "text": " One of the families, they were friends with her son."
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        "text": " And so she realized we can't provide this and they started to develop more programs over"
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        "text": " time."
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        "text": " Well, Rachel, let me, I'm really honestly quite interested in having you talk about your"
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        "text": " book because it represents an enormous amount of work to actually, you know, to gather at"
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        "text": " this, you know, with the subtitle, No Visible Bruises, A Narrative and Facts and Stories"
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        "text": " that come together in this way that emphasizes, but at least in my mind, in a very coherently"
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        "text": " written form, what's at stake in cases of domestic violence?"
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        "text": " So I wonder if you could tell us a little bit about either, you know, sort of, what have"
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        "text": " you learned along the way of gathering all that?"
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        "text": " And I mean, you're obviously incredibly capable at putting lots of information into a coherent,"
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        "text": " readable, understandable package."
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        "text": " But what did you learn during the process?"
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        "text": " Gosh, that's thank you for that."
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        "text": " I have a background in creative writing."
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        "text": " I have an MFA in fiction."
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        "text": " My second book, No Visible Bruises is my third book."
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        "text": " I've published four books."
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        "text": " My second book was a novel."
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        "text": " So I think in story, my brain sort of story."
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        "text": " In fact, one of the quirky little factoids about me is that my great uncle created the"
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        "text": " Adams family."
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        "text": " So I come from a family of like-"
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        "text": " I'll got a lineage."
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        "text": " Freaky."
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        "text": " I mean, he created the hand, you know, the thing that's so famous anyway."
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        "text": " So I do think in story and I do really feel like statistics don't move the dial when"
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        "text": " it comes to social change."
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        "text": " They can be alarming, but those aren't the things that stay with you, you know, the story,"
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        "text": " it's the story that stays with you."
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        "text": " And when I mentioned my now very dear friend, Susanne Dubuse, meeting her and her sort of dismantling"
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        "text": " all these myths for me, I realized that in the arena of journalism where I operate and"
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        "text": " creative writing, we weren't telling the story in the way that was sticky, I think, is"
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        "text": " how I would do it."
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        "text": " There's lots of great stats out there and there's great data, but if you didn't stand"
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        "text": " at the receiving end of a punch, you felt like it had nothing to do with you."
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        "text": " And that was the- for me, that was the big impetus, like, okay, we have 400 years of not caring"
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        "text": " about domestic violence in this country."
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        "text": " There's lots of books written about domestic violence, but they tend to be academic or"
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        "text": " maybe self-helpy or like they're not, feel like they're rising to the level of like someone"
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        "text": " who isn't intimately involved in a domestic violence situation would read or be interested"
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        "text": " in."
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        "text": " And I really had that."
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        "text": " It was like very calculated for me, really, almost as an artist to be like, okay, how can"
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        "text": " I write it so that people who have no interest in domestic violence, because I have 400 years"
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    {
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        "text": " of proving that we have no interest in this country, we'll read it and get to the end"
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    {
        "start": 644.24,
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        "text": " because they're so compelled to chart each page, right?"
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        "text": " And they'll get to the end and be like, wow, I- what a great book."
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        "text": " I know so much about domestic violence now, unwittingly."
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        "text": " And that was- that was sort of my charge."
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        "text": " That was how I felt like I needed to come to this book."
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        "text": " And there is a lot of data in there, but the hardest part for me was how to tell the story."
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        "text": " How to tell the story that it would feel not, you know, the journalists in me is, you"
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    {
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        "text": " know, we have a- we are asking people to share their worst moments."
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        "text": " And so I wanted to be respectful of that and honor that, but I also wanted to write"
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        "text": " something that felt like a page turner and not in a gratuitous way, but in a like deep,"
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        "text": " social justice kind of way, like in that sense."
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    {
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        "text": " I don't know if that answers your question, but it did take me-"
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    {
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        "text": " No, it does."
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    {
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        "text": " Right, so."
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        "text": " Absolutely."
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        "text": " You know, so I've lived in Utah for less than a year, about eight months."
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        "text": " I'm sort of bastardizing the research, but like that is a form of domestic violence."
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        "text": " I'm writing a big piece from the New York Times about the survey I did with Stanford"
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        "text": " And he recently started to lash out and stopped and said, I'm sorry, mom, I didn't mean"
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        "text": " And she knew then that she has changed the getting the help that he needed had changed"
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        "text": " the trajectory of his life."
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        "text": " And so we do need to focus on the prevention of this."
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        "text": " So go ahead."
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        "text": " Great."
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    {
        "start": 1138.4,
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        "text": " I'm sorry for interrupting, but I, I'm so glad that you said that Jill, because, you know,"
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        "text": " right now have either no sex ed for high schoolers or opt in only."
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        "text": " some cases that you're asking an abuser to opt in for their children, right?"
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        "text": " And I just think how are we empowering kids when they don't, they don't come in knowing"
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        "text": " So, let me switch gears back to my questions, because I wanted, I don't want to lose the"
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        "text": " opportunity to talk a little bit about the upcoming conference and kind of some of the"
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        "text": " And at least one of them is a session that covers the lead Thality Assessment Protocol that"
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        "text": " create procedures and guardrails."
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        "text": " therapy and a lot of wraparound support."
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        "text": " But we recognize that this was coming out as an effective tool."
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        "text": " And we often talk about, will Utah's a unique culture or a different area?"
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        "text": " Will it really work here in Utah the way it did?"
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        "text": " We're probably already working with the people that law enforcement are going to identify"
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        "text": " When we started, we found the same thing Maryland did."
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        "text": " with."
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        "text": " We started seeing 70% of those that law enforcement referring coming in for help."
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        "text": " It was a huge increase in those services."
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        "text": " And to this day, I still 100% believe that we saved and are saving lives through that protocol."
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        "text": " In 2022, the Lieutenant Governor's cousin was murdered by an ex-husband."
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        "text": " And she started to tour the state to see where the gaps were, what was working."
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        "text": " That could help."
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        "text": " That's brave and courageous to me."
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        "text": " So that's maybe beyond what your question was, but I feel very excited about all of these"
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        "text": " It's just much easier to be in your community and kind of do the things that you've always"
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        "text": " So I hope that we bring that word to the table during the conference."
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        "text": " I am going to give each of you, if you have a like a last thought for our listeners, we"
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        "text": " have a couple minutes left."
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        "text": " First, I always like to leave the message with survivors that you're not alone."
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        "text": " We give you and we're open anytime you're ready and willing."
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        "text": " We have a lot of supports."
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        "text": " If recently I heard a survivor say, I would have left sooner and she was in a very dangerous"
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        "text": " She said, it would have left sooner if I knew the breadth and depth of services that you"
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        "text": " provide."
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        "text": " And I hope I never hear that from another survivor."
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        "text": " And then the other one is, it's going to take all of us."
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        "text": " There's no doubt that the complexities around domestic violence are going to be solved"
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        "text": " without all of us coming together."
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        "text": " Businesses, civic leaders, universities, law enforcement, healthcare, all of us have to"
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        "text": " work together to address this."
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        "text": " Here, here."
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        "text": " Any last words for us?"
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        "text": " Well, you'll sort of took mine."
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        "text": " That's what the, you know, if you think you don't have a role in solving this, you're"
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        "text": " wrong."
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        "text": " You know, as a journalist, I realized talking to my now friend, all those years ago, that"
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        "text": " my, the community, I was part of the journalism, the media community wasn't getting this right."
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        "text": " And in some ways, no visible bruises is an attempt to sort of get it right."
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        "text": " Every time I see a headline that's domestic dispute, blah, blah, blah, I just want to"
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        "text": " You know, it's like, it's not a dispute."
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        "text": " All of what it is, right?"
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        "text": " Like, the language matters."
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        "text": " I gave another talk in, I think it was Iowa or maybe Illinois, I forget."
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        "text": " I should know because I'm from Illinois."
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        "text": " But they were doing a training for cashiers at their truck stops, which was really interesting."
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        "text": " public, hairdressers is another famous one, right?"
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        "text": " Like, the women in particular who will go and devolve things to their hairdressers is,"
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        "text": " awareness and training and resources to, the more we're going to begin to see real change."
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        "text": " Thank you both."
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        "text": " And I hope everybody really thinks about our May 29th Northern Utah conference and violence"
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        "text": " It's certainly a way to get, sometimes, our research out into the world, but even more"
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        "text": " a place for hallway conversations that will transform the world."
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        "text": " So my thanks to Rachel Louise Snyder and Jill Anderson for giving us something to think"
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        "text": " about and kind of a preview of an amazing conference and a place where you will be speaking"
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        "text": " Rachel, I look forward to that."
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        "text": " And thanks to you both for the work that you do."
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        "text": " Thank you."
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        "start": 2438.24,
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        "text": " Thank you."
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