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| "text": " And then dandruffism seems to be a reaction to actually go." | |
| }, | |
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| }, | |
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| }, | |
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| "start": 687.92, | |
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| "text": " And I think that's, this chaos, that's their reaction is to go." | |
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| { | |
| "start": 750.6800000000001, | |
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| "text": " It was Andre Brotan, Sarah, these two Frenchmen" | |
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| "text": " which is the hyperbole of the crocodile's hairdresser" | |
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| "text": " and the walking stick, which I've really thought sounds" | |
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| "text": " quite simple narrative by the standards of this." | |
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| "text": " where he talks about the fact that at the cabaret," | |
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| "text": " they all played an instrument and that instrument was themselves." | |
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| "text": " And one thing that I think takes from this as well," | |
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| "text": " And it seems that a lot of what this was about was gone" | |
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| "text": " And tomorrow, I'm going to be making a sculpture" | |
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| "text": " and the day after that, to not get nailed down" | |
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| "text": " and this is unboxed now." | |
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| "text": " I did need to ask you that Phil," | |
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| "text": " you do cartoon, you do comic strips and so on." | |
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| "text": " That it seems to me that Dada is very much part of British comedy," | |
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| "text": " anyway, I mean, if you just think of Spike Milligan," | |
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| "text": " maybe if you think of Monty Python, Tommy Cooper," | |
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| "text": " The Bonso Dog Doodar band," | |
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| "text": " we're originally going to be called the Bonso Dog Dada band." | |
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| "text": " And indeed, fell apart after a massive argument." | |
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| }, | |
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| "text": " in one band there." | |
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| "text": " by Hans Richter." | |
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| "text": " I'm Harriet Gilbert." | |
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| "text": " You're listening to a good read" | |
| }, | |
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| "text": " where my guest today, Phil Jupiter's" | |
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| "text": " Robin, you're good read." | |
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| "text": " I chose a book called ROTI Picnic by two Russian writers," | |
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| "text": " R.K.D. and Boris Stragatsky." | |
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| "text": " And I will also mention, because this is a translation" | |
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| "text": " that it hadn't been re-translated for 30 years" | |
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| "text": " and it's been re-translated by Alina Bumashenko." | |
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| "text": " And this is probably most famous as the fact" | |
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| "text": " that it was the inspiration for one of Tarkovsky's" | |
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| "text": " most famous films, Storker." | |
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| "text": " It's a lovely idea." | |
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| "text": " The aliens have visited the planet Earth," | |
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| "text": " but they haven't even taken a look at us." | |
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| "text": " They've literally stopped off to just go," | |
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| "text": " just pulling air will have our picnic" | |
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| }, | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
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| "text": " chucking the rubbish in the ass tray out the window" | |
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| "text": " and then go, yeah, let's keep moving them." | |
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| "text": " And so we are not even nothing of humanity" | |
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| "text": " they're remembering what is a beautiful scene" | |
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| "text": " where Red who's the lead character in this," | |
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| "text": " the mother says, do not have this child" | |
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| "text": " because those who have been stalkers," | |
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| "text": " Also, it leads to mutations." | |
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| "text": " And also for anyone who knows the film stalker," | |
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| "text": " but it's a very different film." | |
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| "text": " Phil Jupiter, so I don't know whether you're into science fiction" | |
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| "text": " but what did you make of this?" | |
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| "text": " Weirdly, I've just recently been partaking" | |
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| "text": " of Foundation trilogy by Asimov," | |
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| "text": " which is, I find, it's weird, it's like Asimov saying," | |
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| }, | |
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| "text": " have been sort of taken for granted." | |
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| "text": " For a science fiction book," | |
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| "text": " I found it really kind of, yeah, it would be like that." | |
| }, | |
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| "text": " I don't some warm to the idea of reading science fiction" | |
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| "text": " because so often it is just turgid" | |
| }, | |
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| "text": " because obviously in a science fiction world," | |
| }, | |
| { | |
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| "text": " you have to explain how the world operates." | |
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| "text": " I have to say that this one, I think, does it really well?" | |
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| "text": " It tells you just enough" | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
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| "text": " yep, that's come right up my nose." | |
| }, | |
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| "text": " and Roadside Picnic by Akadi and Boris Strogatsky," | |
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| "text": " translated by Olaena Bohmashenko" | |
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| "text": " And until June, that's it." | |
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| "text": " But worry not." | |
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| "text": " While we're away, if you go online" | |
| }, | |
| { | |
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| "text": " or use the I play a radio app," | |
| }, | |
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| "end": 1733.6, | |
| "text": " you'll find a plethora of good read suggestions," | |
| }, | |
| { | |
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| "text": " nonfiction, genre fiction, so-called literary fiction," | |
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| "text": " from guests as various as Ruby Tando, Stephen Fry," | |
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| "text": " But for now, a big thank you to today's guests," | |
| }, | |
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| "text": " Robinins and Phil Jupiter's." | |
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| "text": " And to you, as ever, thanks for listening." | |
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| "text": " You could also give us a review or rating" | |
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| "text": " on your podcast provider." | |
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| "text": " For me, Harriet Gilbert, till next time." | |
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| "text": " Again, thank you." | |
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| "text": " MUSIC" | |
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| "text": " So that was books and authors." | |
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| "text": " Has podcasting replaced your reading time, Eli?" | |
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| "start": 1777.0, | |
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| "text": " Well, basically, yeah." | |
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| { | |
| "start": 1779.0, | |
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| "text": " You know how some people read," | |
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| "text": " you know, the London Review of Books" | |
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| "text": " instead of actually reading books." | |
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| "text": " Well, that's what I do with podcasts." | |
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| { | |
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| "text": " Yeah." | |
| }, | |
| { | |
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| "text": " You know, I'm hanging onto my book reading." | |
| }, | |
| { | |
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| "text": " Oh, yeah." | |
| }, | |
| { | |
| "start": 1790.52, | |
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| "text": " If I can, it's good for the soul." | |
| }, | |
| { | |
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| "text": " What are you reading right now?" | |
| }, | |
| { | |
| "start": 1792.56, | |
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| "text": " For the paper, I'm reading a John McGregor," | |
| }, | |
| { | |
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| "text": " reservoir 13." | |
| }, | |
| { | |
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| "text": " I did just notice how I just said," | |
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| "text": " I wanted to ask you, what are you reading right now?" | |
| }, | |
| { | |
| "start": 1799.52, | |
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| "text": " And I almost said what, and I said," | |
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| { | |
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| "text": " what are you listening to, right?" | |
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| "text": " That was the actual word listening, Ken, instead of reading." | |
| }, | |
| { | |
| "start": 1804.56, | |
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| "text": " And what are you listening to then, if you're not reading?" | |
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| { | |
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| "text": " What if I'm listening to a whole lot of like really weird" | |
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| "text": " kind of improv comedy podcasts?" | |
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| "text": " Yeah." | |
| }, | |
| { | |
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| "text": " I'm surprised by that." | |
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| "text": " Yeah, I know." | |
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| "text": " So listen, if you like books and authors," | |
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| "text": " go search for it and subscribe to it wherever you found this." | |
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| "text": " We'll see you next time." | |
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