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| "text": " Phil Jupiter, would you begin? What is your choice of a good read?" | |
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| "text": " My choice this week is Hans Richter's Dada, art and anti art, a book which I picked up on" | |
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| "text": " a reaction to actually go the world doesn't make sense look what is going on look at the fact" | |
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| "text": " talking about Dada art and anti art by Hans Richter I'm Harriet Gilbert you're listening to a" | |
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| "text": " good read where my guest today are Phil Jupiter's and Robin ince Robin you're good read I chose a" | |
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| "text": " book called Rhoads High Picnic by two Russian writers Arcade and Boris Stragatsky and I will also" | |
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| "text": " been re-translated by Alina Bumashenko and this is probably most famous as the fact that it was" | |
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| "text": " free way of how life really is life is never all miserable it will keep turning different corners" | |
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| "text": " we've been talking about roadside picnic by Akadi and Boris Strogatsky and something very" | |
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| "text": " different now to my choice of a good read this is a novel it's called Dodgers it's Spine" | |
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| "text": " American called Bill Beverly it was his first book and it was published just a couple of years ago" | |
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| "text": " and it's the story of a 15 year old African American living in Los Angeles it's had a pretty brutal" | |
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| "text": " life he doesn't know who his father was his mother is this absolutely drink sod and wreck he's got" | |
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| "text": " an uncle who kind of looks after him but he he's also well he doesn't look after him he looks" | |
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| "text": " out for him let's say and what he also looks out for is his string of crack houses that he runs" | |
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| "text": " and the young lad East has been earning a living for the last few years acting as a lookout for" | |
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| "text": " his uncle's crack houses one day when he is supposed to be watching out for a police raid there's a lot" | |
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| "text": " going on there's a fire happened fire ambulances turn up there's a little girl who keeps pestering him" | |
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| "text": " trying to talk to him and he wants to get rid of her he knows it's a dangerous place for her to be" | |
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| "text": " and too late he realizes that the police raid he can't warn the people in the crack house" | |
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| "text": " his uncle is needless to say furious with him gives him well there's either a punishment or one" | |
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| "text": " last chance he says he's got to go off he's got to leave Los Angeles he's got to travel drive" | |
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| "text": " all the way up to Wisconsin right the other side of the US and he has to shoot a man who is going" | |
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| "text": " to be a witness against the drug dealers and he says you in or out and young East says I'm in" | |
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| "text": " and so off he goes he's sent off with three other guys there's a very smooth type who's about" | |
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| "text": " 20 called Michael Wilson who's the who's nominally in charge of it there's a there's fat Walter who is" | |
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| "text": " smart he's the smartest one of the lot and then he's 17 and then there is a kid a much younger a 13" | |
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| "text": " year old who is East's younger brother who is something else again he is I'd say with a psychopath" | |
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| "text": " only I'm not quite sure what the legal definition is but he is certainly he's already a killer at 13" | |
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| "text": " he's totally out of order out of control and these four guys go off in their sort of souped up van" | |
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| "text": " crossing America on this killing mission it's a kind of road book it's a gangster book but most" | |
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| "text": " of all it's a coming of age novel it's the story of East finally trying to work out who he is" | |
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| "text": " I think it's just a pretty fine book full Jupiter it's the firstly the number of times I wanted to" | |
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| "text": " stop reading it because it was so uncomfortable I mean that's how good the writing was the scene" | |
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| "text": " that you describe about the raid on the crack house when something happens to the little girl and" | |
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| "text": " the description of what happens in that scene and the thing is is that you can kind of the" | |
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| "text": " style of writing is foreshadowing that something horrible is going to happen and there's that" | |
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| "text": " horrible thing you do when you're reading something and you know something horrible something you" | |
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| "text": " kind of want to turn three pages forward to either to either leap over the horribleness or to just" | |
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| "text": " can I just say how horrible this is going to be now please and all just cut it up and turn it into" | |
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| "text": " a dardry's poem instead of see that that great moral to mystic outcome it was it was really it was" | |
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| "text": " grim and what I loved about the arc of the book was from this kind of grim beginning through to a" | |
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| "text": " kind of grim a passage as well was I love the fact that they revealed quite sort of deep into the" | |
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| "text": " book that East had never been out of Los Angeles this was him discovering America but also in the" | |
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| "text": " reverse direction to that of the pioneers so he was East was heading East and going through in America" | |
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| "text": " and getting more and more rural each state that go through they have this really weird kind of" | |
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| "text": " incident where Michael the kind of older minder of them tacitly tries to go rogue in Las Vegas and" | |
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| "text": " that is incredibly horrible because things happen there that you aren't given the full description of" | |
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| "text": " and so you know he kind of Beverly just leaves it in your head for you to imagine exactly what" | |
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| "text": " is the little brother did to get them off the hooking vagus and it's so horrible just thinking" | |
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| "text": " about what he did because they just described the consequences and the look of fear in people's eyes" | |
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| "text": " it was extraordinary but this sense of isolation and this weird single mission that they're on as" | |
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| "text": " they go through I mean it's almost weirdly siss-a-fea and task of having to travel across the country" | |
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| "text": " pickups and guns that have already been paid for go on you know you know whack this this guy this judge" | |
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| "text": " that's going to be a witness in a case and all of the things that are against them on the way" | |
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| "text": " all of that with the with the background of the fact that the lead protagonist is 15 and has never" | |
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| "text": " been out of Los Angeles you can never shake the fact that this guy he's a child he's a child" | |
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| "text": " and that just kept rattling around and that and the fact that the bad DNA is two years younger than" | |
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| "text": " the protagonist 13 years old that's a really weird thing that the first time that he kills someone" | |
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| "text": " and because I don't think it is it's interesting you think you know is he a psychopath or not" | |
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| "text": " my thought on on these characters and it is it's a thing that keeps coming back to you reading it" | |
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| "text": " you reading and then you suddenly go I've just remembered again 15 and 13 because it goes away you" | |
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| "text": " in fact even everything about it I think I've found it very hard to actually get the correct age" | |
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| "text": " in in in my head but I think it's just someone who the lack of of any form of good influence in" | |
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| "text": " their life means that life is yeah it will just do that it doesn't matter it's a there's something" | |
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| "text": " and mundane is the wrong word but it's that fact that this is their life and this is what is" | |
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| "text": " going to happen and yes it does then become this very strange experience as he goes this is" | |
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| "text": " America beyond the secret you know the secret place where he sleeps at that says no one knows where" | |
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| "text": " he sleeps you know this is the America beyond feeling I had a thing was that he was like some very" | |
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| "text": " well-trained young officer who's I mean he's enormously restrained he's learned not to show" | |
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| "text": " any emotion if somebody points a gun to his head there's an occasion in this book they do he just" | |
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| "text": " knows to keep quite impassive not move not look frightened or anything and crucially and this is" | |
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| "text": " central to really his character is he is obedient if he's uncle the the mob boss says you're" | |
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| "text": " going to do this he does it the other boys try and you know work their way around it he does it I" | |
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| "text": " mean I did believe in him yeah and there's a lot of this book which I really felt that kind of" | |
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| "text": " quality of synacesia that comes with descriptions of just just the little things just when Beverly" | |
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| "text": " describes just the the concrete dust and smell of urine and it was just that mixture of concrete" | |
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| "text": " dust and urine in the air and you just kind of go yep that's come right on my nose that has you" | |
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| "text": " know yeah yes he is I think he's a terrific writer anyway we've been talking about Dodgers by" | |
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| "text": " Bill Beverly published by no exit press before that we were talking about Dada art and anti art" | |
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| "text": " by Hans Richter that was translated by David Britt and published by Thames and Hudson and" | |
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| "text": " roadside picnic by Akadi and Boris Strogatsky translated by Olaena Bormaschenko and published by" | |
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| "text": " Galant and until June that's it but worry not while we're away if you go online or use the" | |
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| "text": " Shriver the more recent episodes are the ones with pictures of the guests but for now a big thank you" | |
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| "text": " to today's guests Robin Inc and Phil Jupiter's and to you as ever thanks for listening thank you" | |
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| "text": " for listening to the podcast of a good read I hope you enjoyed it and if you did why not tell" | |
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| "text": " Gilbert till next time again thank you so that was books and authors has podcasting replaced your" | |
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| "text": " reading time Eli well basically yeah you know how some people read you know the London review" | |
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| "text": " of books instead of actually reading books well that's what I do with podcasts yeah you know" | |
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| "text": " I'm hanging onto my book reading oh yeah if I can it's good for the soul" | |
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| "text": " where do you listen to what are you reading right now for the paper I'm reading a John McGregor" | |
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| "text": " reservoir 13 I did just notice how I just said I I wanted to ask you what are you reading right now" | |
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| "text": " and I almost said what and I said what are you listening to right that was the the actual word" | |
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| "text": " listening camera instead of reading and what are you listening to then if you're not reading" | |
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| "text": " well what if I listening to a whole lot of like really weird kind of improv comedy podcasts" | |
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