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"text": " This is the BBC."
},
{
"start": 17.28,
"end": 19.68,
"text": " Hello and welcome to Podcasting House."
},
{
"start": 19.68,
"end": 22.48,
"text": " And if you're with us for the first time, you're especially welcome."
},
{
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"end": 24.32,
"text": " And this is what you need to know."
},
{
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"end": 26.88,
"text": " We choose a couple of podcasts for you every week."
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"text": " And helping me be reductive to the point of light entertainment and"
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"text": " Also, your vintage dresses are here."
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"text": " So how are we going to do this?"
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"text": " You're going to be really useful, Sean."
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"text": " As always, Rachel."
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"text": " semi-pocho."
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"text": " But the music was some of the best the planet"
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"text": " I mean, he's a whole other subject,"
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"text": " Diodes syphilis, total wanker."
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"text": " But what sounds?"
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"text": " Hashtag death of the maiden."
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"text": " It's Michael, I've had a tag."
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"text": " It's such a brilliant piece of music."
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"text": " Anyway, so let's not go down the Schubert."
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"text": " No, it'll..."
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"text": " It's time to vote, guys."
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"text": " Now, this show..."
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"text": " You could look at it as reductive"
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"text": " or you could look at it as courageous."
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"text": " Think of it as two scales."
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"text": " Not musical scales today."
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"text": " We can only be evil"
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"text": " or the lower register of genius."
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"text": " Are we a shrill of evil"
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"text": " or a baritone of genius?"
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"text": " Kaz, I'm going to ask you to vote first."
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"text": " I'm going to go evil."
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"text": " Didn't see it coming."
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"text": " And just..."
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"text": " I'm still feeling bit uncomfortable about evil."
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"text": " But, you know, if I've got to make a decision,"
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"text": " then the..."
},
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"text": " the scales are definitely tipping that way."
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"text": " Just a big fake, hypocrite, bad dad."
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"text": " Just, yeah, evil."
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"text": " Rachel, don't be influenced by everyone around you."
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"text": " You are a musician yourself."
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"text": " You play music."
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"text": " You have to acknowledge the genius."
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"text": " But do you acknowledge it enough?"
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"text": " I don't acknowledge it enough."
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"text": " I think he's evil of the two options."
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"text": " I think he's evil."
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"text": " I think that he did his best work in conjunction"
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"text": " with Macartney when he was in the Beatles."
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"text": " And I think there's too much bad stuff."
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"text": " On the other side."
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"text": " That just leaves you shone, no pressure."
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"text": " Well, I just don't..."
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"text": " I have to call him evil"
},
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"text": " because I also think he's just infected,"
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"text": " Sick of him."
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"text": " You just don't know what perfecting is."
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"text": " When you think we've got the leg of the site of him on posters,"
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"text": " on books, some sick of documentaries about him,"
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"text": " films about him, I don't give a shit."
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"text": " Christmas you can't move without that song."
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"text": " Oh, okay."
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"text": " I also..."
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"text": " Just come back to the coloured round glasses as well."
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"text": " Exactly."
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"text": " Well, that's the vote."
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"text": " I'm afraid John Lennon is."
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"text": " Evil."
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"text": " And he goes into the evil box."
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"text": " Panel, thank you so much."
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"text": " It's some of the stuff that's come out in today's discussion."
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"text": " It went places."
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"text": " I didn't think it would go."
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"text": " It's been fun watching you wrestle your love of music"
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"text": " with your hatred of misogyny and beating."
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"text": " So to be pretty standard."
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"text": " Do subscribe if you've enjoyed evil genius."
},
{
"start": 1868.0,
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"text": " The topics are varied."
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"text": " If you want to hear a man struggling with the subject,"
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"text": " he's had a week to learn about."
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"text": " Three panelists who have been briefed properly."
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"text": " Click subscribe now."
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"start": 1877.04,
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"text": " If you've liked it, leave a glowing review underneath."
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"start": 1879.84,
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"text": " Don't, if you haven't liked it,"
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{
"start": 1881.28,
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"text": " and if you leave a negative review,"
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{
"start": 1882.32,
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"text": " I will get your IP address and come and hurt you."
},
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"start": 1884.32,
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"text": " Because I am evil and my comedy isn't that good."
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"text": " Bye."
},
{
"start": 1893.68,
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"text": " Nice to hear Russell Kane doing something different there."
},
{
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"text": " Yeah."
},
{
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"text": " Yeah, it was really good, wasn't it?"
},
{
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"text": " Yeah, I like him."
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{
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"text": " If you like that, just search for evil genius with Russell Kane"
},
{
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"text": " and subscribe."
},
{
"start": 1902.8,
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"text": " Thanks for listening."
},
{
"start": 1903.52,
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"text": " See you next time."
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