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"text": " Hi and welcome to Talking Cars. I'm Jennifer Stockburger. I'm Alex Nasik. I'm Joe Vesla."
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"text": " So today we're going to give our first thoughts, first impressions around the 2024 BMW X2."
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"text": " So certainly in my homework before we start I wanted to kind of sort out the evens and"
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"text": " the odds, the BMW evens and the odds specifically. So obviously the most popular models are among SUVs"
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"text": " X1, X3, X5. But obviously there's evens, X2, X4, X6 that gets slotted in there. And if you"
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"text": " look that up, what the even numbers in SUVs or even in sedans, their intention is to be"
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"text": " a little bit sportier version of the complement of the slightly, of the lower number below them."
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"text": " So the X2 is a sportier version of the X1. The X4 is a sportier version of the X3 and the"
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"text": " same with the sedans. You know, at least they're supposed to be sportier. Or at least they're"
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"text": " supposed to be. So we'll get to that. But specifically Alex, why did we get an X2 when we only"
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"text": " recently have tested an X1? Yeah, right. So they are, they are very similar, right? Like the dimensions"
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"text": " are similar in a lot of ways in terms of like wheelbase and length and even the power trains are"
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"text": " similar interior and whatnot. We'll get into the differences. But they're really seen as two"
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"text": " different models. So unless you know the difference and the evens and the odds that you just explained"
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"text": " going into it, you might just look at these two and ones called X1, ones called X2, they're"
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"text": " completely different models. And that, you know, yes, in some ways and know it some other way."
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"text": " So we just want to see what the, those differences are and how they impacts, you know, just the"
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"text": " usefulness of the vehicle from cargo capacity and access visibility, all these things. You know,"
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"text": " it's kind of similar to the way Mercedes did the GLA versus the GLB, right? Similar platform"
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"text": " and whatnot underneath, but they're kind of slightly different body styles basically. Right. And"
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"text": " that's what we're here for is to help consumers sort that out. Exactly. Not just say, oh, it's"
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"text": " identical, except it's kind of the screen version. Right. Let's see what the actual tangible"
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"text": " differences are. So to your point, same power trains as the X1, right? The X drive 28 I trim,"
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"text": " two liter turbocharged four, 241 horsepower, whereas the sportier M35, X drive 312 horsepower,"
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"text": " very turbocharged two liter, right? Capable. 5.2 seconds, 0 to 60 according to BMW on the M,"
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"text": " and 6.2 on the regular, a little bit of price difference in that the X2 ranges from 42 to 51,"
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"text": " four hours was 46,29, 295, 995 dollar destination. And we did have optional convenience driver assistant"
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"text": " and he did see packages versus the X1, 40,500 to 49. So about a $2,000 premium for the X2 over the"
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"text": " X1, the biggest difference for this X2 had a bit of a hiatus there was it's a little bit bigger,"
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"text": " a little bit more cargo room promises a little more rear seat room. So I want to start with the"
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"text": " what I call the really good part of this car and that's the driving impressions."
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"text": " Joe, your thoughts on the driving of the X2. Yeah. So the X2 is a car that likes to be driven or it's"
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"text": " better. It gets it's drives smoother the harder you drive it. Low speed drive ability I think is"
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"text": " one of its biggest issues that I've had and it can be frustrating with the stop start that's delayed."
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"text": " It seems to show up too late or too soon start too late. Yeah. Or vice versa. I had to be inconsistent"
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"text": " and actually some rough bumps and just rolling start or stop situations where you need to get and"
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"text": " get down or get the power down and it has to downshift a gear and it takes some extra time."
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"text": " I agree. Like definitely that rolling which I tend to do maybe I don't fully stop at stop signs but"
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"text": " that that rolling stop the transmission doesn't seem to know where it wants to use that."
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"text": " Yeah. Yeah. And the transmission just you know it is a dual clutch which kind of adds to the"
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"text": " whole thing right. We see a lot of times these dual clutch transmissions aren't especially in"
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"text": " these low speed situations aren't as smooth right. You have this clutch trying to engage and"
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"text": " it's not the same thing as just like a torque converter and a typical transmission right. So"
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"text": " can just be kind of jerky and just when it's trying to engage at these low speeds not the smoothest"
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"text": " or most satisfying experience. And then that couples with the kind of not great start stop system."
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"text": " Kind of shudders back to life and not quickly. What I will counter with though Joe is what you're"
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"text": " saying is when you're driving it with a bit more vigor that's where the dual clutch that's super"
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"text": " quick shift when you're upshifting it's just like like an imperceptible super smooth great power"
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"text": " delivery you know that's to me the best part of this car right. Yeah. Is it does feel sporty again"
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"text": " when you're driving it with you know when you're on your way all as well right when they're moving"
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"text": " or driving around in the you know in the city or traffic it can get really frustrating."
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"text": " Ride Alex. Yeah ride is not probably it's strong suit right. It's definitely firmer just like the"
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"text": " last X2 and just like the X1 right. That's actually pretty similar. So you know you might be thinking"
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"text": " the X2 is the sportier version of the X1 so it's going to have a stiffer ride and at least in the"
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"text": " the versions that we tested that I'd say they're pretty similar. I mean it's pretty controlled"
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"text": " right. They're doing it to add to the sportiness of the vehicle right. If it was really soft"
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"text": " and rolled around a lot you wouldn't really think it has the sporty edge to it but it does kind"
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"text": " of get jittery and rough overs and that's what I felt the unsettledness of ride single impacts."
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"text": " I'm I'm one of those people who actually likes a little bit of firmness. I don't like floaty"
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"text": " sure for sure. Yeah. Her ride is a preference. So single impacts fine but if it was multiple as we"
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"text": " have on some of these roads out here even coming into the jack gets very unsettled. Yeah you get"
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"text": " some shutter. I yeah I don't know. I found I like I tend to like a firmer ride when it comes to"
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"text": " compromising for handling. I could see this is you know on the firmer edge of that you know we're"
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"text": " and for the purpose of the vehicle I think I'd you know would like a little more comfort but still"
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"text": " maintaining the firm edge. It's close but you know a little too firm for most people I would think."
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"text": " You just answered my question like you expect when you're talking about a real sports car"
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"text": " or sporty driving car. I'm far like this that you want to drive with some vigor. Yeah. Is"
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"text": " a firmer ride a prerequisite to that handling or could it be a bit more balanced per"
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"text": " house? Yeah I think there could be more bounce. No one's taking this to the track or yeah right"
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"text": " driving it that extreme right. Yeah and there's a lot of things that kind of contribute to what"
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"text": " that end balance is as far as which shock absorbers are chosen in the tuning in this and that and how"
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"text": " much time money development they put into it right and I think I don't you mentioned the handling"
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"text": " and I think it's definitely above average for a you know vehicle in this class and of this size right"
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"text": " it is a more engaging driving experience but I don't know if it's enough to justify like the ride"
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"text": " and some of these other things like it's not it's getting close to sporty in my opinion but it's not"
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"text": " quite there. I mean again if you drive it really hard I guess it gets better but it still is a front"
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"text": " wheel drive based you know SUV ultimately at the end of the day. And sport your opinion then the"
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"text": " X1. Maybe I think they're too close for me to even get to yeah form an opinion like that I think"
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"text": " they're so close that yeah maybe yeah I agree they're pretty close. Okay so well from the driving"
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"text": " and this is where things like go a skew a little bit in that work inside the vehicle. So for me"
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"text": " no question a little bit more room a little bit more room cargo a little bit more rear seat room"
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"text": " though it's still not what I would call it generous rear seat compared to the last X2. Compared to"
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"text": " the last X2. Yeah right yeah and yeah I think more spacious right but maybe not compared to the X1"
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"text": " right. Right I'm not quite for me for Jennifer Stockburger the why of why you would pick an X2"
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"text": " more X1 because we also talked about visibility Joe and you do even cargo it's compromised by the"
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"text": " body. Yeah that the rearward rearward visibility is pretty bad they're huge deep pillars the"
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"text": " sloping roof line it's just shop the rear windows you know very very small yeah it's not and in"
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"text": " that compromises cargo volume when you try to fit our box in our Merck box and you take those"
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"text": " rear windows and the front brake and by the time you resolve there this there this big. Yeah the"
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"text": " it is actually a pretty big difference between the one and the two here is the whole greenhouse is"
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"text": " actually smaller. Yes. They lowered the whole roof so all the pillars are kind of different I mean"
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"text": " most obvious is the back right where the cargo area is cut off but if you sit in the X1 you're like"
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"text": " wow there is a ton of headroom in here the glass area is huge the visibility is surprisingly"
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"text": " maybe not surprisingly but it's just genuinely really good and then you get into the X2 and you start"
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"text": " to feel like I said adds a sporty feel maybe but it starts to feel all closed in and style over"
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"text": " function may. Oh 100% yeah this is much more in aesthetic. Yep a vehicle that it looks good"
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"text": " different from the outside. Yeah it looks different for someone who doesn't like how the X1"
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"text": " looks and it's like we'll give them another option. For me I have shorter legs I think I've"
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"text": " said this many times so I end up forward I'm already at the like the liner the headliners like"
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"text": " here like I'm already like into the roof and the liner and all I want to do is lower myself"
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"text": " which is not my preference. Yeah so yeah I mean it's too bad it literally turns something that is"
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"text": " such a is actually a standout highlight of the X1 and totally kind of reverses. There are some"
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"text": " real niceties too moving to comfort. Couple things pluses of minus is one BMW often does has that"
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"text": " mechanical seat cushion extension I see it when I get in this car it's often pulled out for people"
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"text": " with longer legs to just bolster your thigh a little bit but easy to put back in if you want to"
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"text": " change all those problems though. On the contrary yes it's a little crack for all the gold"
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"text": " vishes. I guess you know where it all is at least. But the other is BMW doesn't give you an"
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"text": " adjustable seatbelt. Yeah that's a really strange thing. Not just in this car but a lot of"
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"text": " so cool anyway good question Milton the last one comes from Paul from Oxnard California I've"
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"text": " always been a driving car drive a car until the wheels fall off kind of guy I've owed a grand"
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"text": " could buy so we love these questions because we get to see whether we all disagree or we are"
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"text": " common so Joe yeah thoughts for Paul yeah I would I think I push him towards like a RAV4 hybrid CRV"
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"text": " fall off and you're gonna have a car for another you know 20 years 20 years Alex agree I'm right"
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"text": " there with it like I don't think a EV or plug and hybrid really plays to the drive it to the wheels"
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"text": " replacement and the hybrid that that you mentioned and I also wrote down like Prius Corolla RAV4"
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"text": " basically pick any yeah small hybrid like that those they do have a battery but it's so much"
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"text": " more accessible more commonplace if you did have to replace it someday like that's that's easier"
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"text": " than with a plug and hybrid or an EV I went with plug and hybrid option again talking about his my"
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"text": " my work is one exit away perfect and there's a lot of opportunity where you may not have to put a"
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"text": " lot of gas in this car Paul depending on what you're doing you know on your off time but the one I"
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"text": " picked was the key in the euro plug and hybrid I said great overall score 33 miles of pure"
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"text": " EV range so that probably we'll get him this one exit and back and 47 miles per gallon overall 33"
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"text": " 840 to 39 590 thousand dollars so a little bit up there the only other option I gave him again going"
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"text": " back to some of your concern was a 24 Subaru cross check mm-hmm not quite the SUV but almost there"
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"text": " use case to drive it perfect right it's you got to decide that versus the I want to keep it forever"
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"text": " correct you left the balance those Paul you were your situation really is like the poster child"
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"text": " for a plug and that's yeah well again new technology right yeah how willing are you so thank you"
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"text": " that will do it for this episode keep your questions videos coming talking cars at iCloud.com"
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"text": " thanks for listening thanks for watching and we'll see you next time"
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