diff --git "a/clean/dev/bnc_spoken.txt" "b/clean/dev/bnc_spoken.txt" --- "a/clean/dev/bnc_spoken.txt" +++ "b/clean/dev/bnc_spoken.txt" @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ he doesn't do that, i cut it with an electric cutter. yeah but i think that -yeah but erm we used to have just an +yeah but erm we used to have just an but it used he said he it used to take half a day to cut our grass. @@ -13,16 +13,16 @@ we didn't have an erm mower in those days either did we? we didn't to start with, no. we've got two, we've got the one that runs on petrol as well but i wouldn't use that one. no. -well er actually bob bought this other one cos he knew i liked, i quite enjoy cutting the lawn, i +well er actually bob bought this other one cos he knew i liked, i quite enjoy cutting the lawn, i yes mhm. i don't dislike it at all but er but we've only got a ti now we've only got a tiny little lawn yeah. -but i mean if it was sort of about s s five yards, it wouldn't be five yards by three yards. +but i mean if it was sort of about s s five yards, it wouldn't be five yards by three yards. no. -i suppose ours is from there to over there i suppose, the front one +i suppose ours is from there to over there i suppose, the front one yeah now ours were nothing like, i mean -no +no half this room and that would be our lawn in the front. not, you know, wouldn't even be as long as that. no. @@ -39,9 +39,9 @@ well they can see the manor house hotel from where they live but yeah but my brother-in-law's gotta sit on a machine to cut his grass cos he's got yeah. -such a +such a yeah. -and they've i gave them to them and they put them on the hedges +and they've i gave them to them and they put them on the hedges oh yes? and i expect they're coming out and looking yes mhm. @@ -50,33 +50,33 @@ well ours are, ours are lovely at the moment erm yeah. as i say erm we've got those but we were looking the other day and were quite amazed at how many different flowers there are out. flowers yeah, that's right. -you know oh there's a out there as well isn't there? +you know oh there's a out there as well isn't there? yes there is. er we've got a magnolia tree sort of out the front yeah, yeah. er we had a lovely one but frost got that a couple of years ago. but this one erm i love the magnolias but they don't like the frost do they? -you know, it looks as if it it will sort of er be showing you know quite -yeah -it's one of those ones. +you know, it looks as if it it will sort of er be showing you know quite +yeah +it's one of those ones. ones. oh yeah star ones, you know? yeah -but erm and then we've got still, we, we were looking we've still got holly with berries +but erm and then we've got still, we, we were looking we've still got holly with berries yeah, do you know i think, cos i go through the woods every day with the yeah dog you see, but er you can tell it hasn't been that tough a winter because there's still mm -berries up there +berries up there yeah, yes. -and we've got a +and we've got a on, on the side mm. and that's got erm got a lot of berries as well. berries yeah, yeah. -but erm, mind you the birds we've got i don't know how many ever so fond of his birds +but erm, mind you the birds we've got i don't know how many ever so fond of his birds yeah and he hangs up nuts, i think he's got about that's right yeah @@ -87,8 +87,8 @@ that's right, yeah, er and a seed, we er hang up a seed thing so we've got loads of birds come yeah, birds that's right, yeah. which is sort of quite pleasant. -we also have the squirrels coming -oh yeah they're quite funny really. +we also have the squirrels coming +oh yeah they're quite funny really. oh they are. there was a piece on the television the other day yes @@ -98,26 +98,26 @@ yeah yeah. i don't think our squirrel is anything like as inte as intelligent as that one. that one -well that one really is i mean cos i see them up in the woods quite a lot +well that one really is i mean cos i see them up in the woods quite a lot yeah, yeah -cos the dog chases them before she's got anywhere near them +cos the dog chases them before she's got anywhere near them that's right yeah. when when we have my daughter's dog with us yeah erm she just takes off and yeah, that's right, yeah. if she had one wish in life it would be that she could climb trees. -yeah i suppose so, yeah. +yeah i suppose so, yeah. well she, she'll take cats on oh yeah i think she thinks they're rabbits yeah? i'm sure she does -but er what's she seen? -she'll go up up the path and all i could see was this cat, and it was hanging on for dear life up this big tree and there +but er what's she seen? +she'll go up up the path and all i could see was this cat, and it was hanging on for dear life up this big tree and there yeah, yeah was she sat at the bottom you know -oh yes +oh yes thinking oh well jess, jess will sort of, if a cat came into our garden, she'd see it off yeah well then we don't get cats in our garden cos she, she, they know she's there and then @@ -125,28 +125,28 @@ she would see it off in no time at all. mm. but we seem to er where we live erm at the top of church road yeah i know yes, yeah -you're going down into park +you're going down into park yeah whole lot of those sort of big houses have been converted into flats flats yeah, yeah. and erm i think there must be some people there who have brought cats in because all of a sudden there are a whole lot of cats about which there weren't before you see cats, oh yeah i see, no that's right. -so that er they, they haven't learned to keep out of our garden yet -but they have to in our garden because erm i know the first she was a the one we've got and the first day me husband brought her he went up to fetch her out the kennel and she sort of saw this cat and it's a -one it's just over the fence and that +so that er they, they haven't learned to keep out of our garden yet +but they have to in our garden because erm i know the first she was a the one we've got and the first day me husband brought her he went up to fetch her out the kennel and she sort of saw this cat and it's a +one it's just over the fence and that and there was this ginger and white cat hanging on to our fence -on for dear life -you know she walked straight to me again and -but she doesn't come in the garden now -aah -it's amazing how it all seems to happen, in a way, quickly +on for dear life +you know she walked straight to me again and +but she doesn't come in the garden now +aah +it's amazing how it all seems to happen, in a way, quickly all of a sudden innit? yeah that's right. -yeah +yeah but the trouble is then you see what wants doing outside then don't you? too much. -look at my windows and think it's about time they were cleaned -i know i'm +look at my windows and think it's about time they were cleaned +i know i'm four five eight ninety nine. that's right, yeah. another penny would have made it a tidy @@ -156,7 +156,7 @@ right. ah well it's gotta go into muriel. oh we'd better write in the yes. -right erm i shall have to get muriel some change actually. +right erm i shall have to get muriel some change actually. so do you want to write it down? i've got pound coins, one hundred and eighty one eighty @@ -167,13 +167,13 @@ twenty two forty ten pences, twenty pounds exactly. now i, is that just silver? oh no it's er it's oh twenty four sixty. -twenty four sixty and bronze is the same together -bronze will be one forty nine. +twenty four sixty and bronze is the same together +bronze will be one forty nine. one forty nine. -so that's is ten nineteen two and four so is that three fifty eight? +so that's is ten nineteen two and four so is that three fifty eight? two fifty eight. two fifty eight ninety nine. -erm that's one one ninety nine three over seven eight, eighteen twenty one, twenty three, twenty five and cheques two hundred is it? +erm that's one one ninety nine three over seven eight, eighteen twenty one, twenty three, twenty five and cheques two hundred is it? two fifty eight ninety nine and the cheque is two hundred, yeah. this is more cash paid in from the last three weeks actually. that's what i was saying you see, that's @@ -188,10 +188,10 @@ the bank? i don't want to go to the bank but what i want to do is to go to erm oh tony's? tony's. -yes -erm yes i, i've got to go back with the money to -you've got to bring money first, yes. -so if you want to go anywhere i will i'll see you back at the car shall i? +yes +erm yes i, i've got to go back with the money to +you've got to bring money first, yes. +so if you want to go anywhere i will i'll see you back at the car shall i? yes? can you tell me,do you know if it will be okay for me to come in at quarter past four? quarter past four? @@ -207,61 +207,61 @@ and joanna will come in at quarter past six. you've just got the two coming? yeah. shame they can't get together isn't it? -well it was just that erm erm erm was it eight weeks your hospital appointment? +well it was just that erm erm erm was it eight weeks your hospital appointment? think so. oh it was, that was right. didn't you write it in? yes i have but yeah. i, er i it did -oh you thought eight weeks +oh you thought eight weeks yeah, one two three four, it's gone on to, you know, it's into april and i just wonder whether that was, that's alright. yeah well these daffs have really come out now. mm. as you say all down the side there they are all out. yeah. -they're probably not so deep you see as the other ones that side +they're probably not so deep you see as the other ones that side cos there's not the depth of soil in this one. -i can't remember when, which cos if you remember i bought some late some sort of bulbs and i can't remember which. +i can't remember when, which cos if you remember i bought some late some sort of bulbs and i can't remember which. and you put those in and i can't remember where. -is this the erm the +is this the erm the no faulty one? -er do you want your dinner at dinner time or +er do you want your dinner at dinner time or no i don't know what i've done with it it may be upstairs. oh don't bother with it no. i mean -erm well either that or we can slip it in at quarter past five, how about that? +erm well either that or we can slip it in at quarter past five, how about that? oh yes there's that time isn't there? yes. oh i can see a bag of crisps there, i think i'll indulge. -gosh police who found nineteen thousand five hundred pounds at 's tool repair business in newark yesterday +gosh police who found nineteen thousand five hundred pounds at 's tool repair business in newark yesterday did they? dug up the garden of his cottage home. oh we believe it had been buried in tin cans and hidden in walls -cos i was thinking +cos i was thinking all over the place, it could take months to trace and it is possible we will never find all of it . -oh dear ian botham's dream of helping england to victory in his last world cup campaign took thrilling shape in perth. +oh dear ian botham's dream of helping england to victory in his last world cup campaign took thrilling shape in perth. botham inspired england to their nine run win over india with his enthusiasm, experience and will to win. he was involved in everything, opening the innings, coming back as a runner for graham gooch, bowling a match winning spell, holding a vital catch and finally ending the game with a calm run out. beefy's presence in the england team was a huge bonus for gooch. the big fella is more keyed up than i've seen him for a long time and he is channelling all his energies into one final world cup fling. don't ask me how he manages it but there is still an aura about botham that intimidates even the finest player. indian youngster handled england's other bowlers with ease, he looked in tremendous form but when botham came on and bowled him a harmless straight one, somehow managed to edge it into his pads and nearly played on. -not that both would ever admit to bowling a straight one the ball he produced to finally get rid of was a gem and it turned the match away from india . +not that both would ever admit to bowling a straight one the ball he produced to finally get rid of was a gem and it turned the match away from india . the thing about it is, i mean they've all got eat their words now haven't they? -i mean they've all been sort of saying oh well you know it's ridiculous to take him, let him play his panto and then sort of just join +i mean they've all been sort of saying oh well you know it's ridiculous to take him, let him play his panto and then sort of just join mm -the thing, i mean everybody's been complaining about that but considering all that he hasn't done bad has he ? +the thing, i mean everybody's been complaining about that but considering all that he hasn't done bad has he ? no. -oh i see i thought, i don't know why, i thought there was two,ta two sort of halves to this world cup but there's not +oh i see i thought, i don't know why, i thought there was two,ta two sort of halves to this world cup but there's not oh. it's, it's just the one table. -oh so they've done what they've got to do -well no i mean they're each gonna play each other obviously but you see england, new zealand and sri lanka and west indies have all got two points from one game, australia, india, pakistan and zimbabwe have all lost so they've got no points from one game, south africa have still to play. -so i should think it's gonna be the top four that will go into a knock out competition or something like that at the end, you know? +oh so they've done what they've got to do +well no i mean they're each gonna play each other obviously but you see england, new zealand and sri lanka and west indies have all got two points from one game, australia, india, pakistan and zimbabwe have all lost so they've got no points from one game, south africa have still to play. +so i should think it's gonna be the top four that will go into a knock out competition or something like that at the end, you know? yeah. yes of course these bookings had to made by the twenty fifth of th of erm february didn't they? that's right. @@ -271,35 +271,35 @@ well that's twenty sixth, twenty sixth. yes. now that's wednesday you see so i knew we'd got to do it. -oh so that's wednesday you can even get to the imperial for two ninety seven pounds per person for five nights. +oh so that's wednesday you can even get to the imperial for two ninety seven pounds per person for five nights. if you think what the imperial in torquay is anyway. yeah. -oh yes it says this is the first world cup the new way of playing the qualifying rounds, this is the first world cup where every team has to play each other and it should mean the best sides make the semi-finals. +oh yes it says this is the first world cup the new way of playing the qualifying rounds, this is the first world cup where every team has to play each other and it should mean the best sides make the semi-finals. under the old two group format it was very much down to luck as to who you were drawn with, the new system is much better, it allows for the odd hiccup, gives an extra dimension to every game and rewards those teams that perform on the day. mm. it also gives the smaller nations like sri lanka and zimbabwe a crack at all the big boys . so everybody plays everybody else once yeah. -and then it's the semi-finals so obviously i should think the top four clubs will go into the knock out. +and then it's the semi-finals so obviously i should think the top four clubs will go into the knock out. oh so they hadn't have had that at woodbridge. -lavenham they have erm at the swan there +lavenham they have erm at the swan there tope? t o p e that was yeah. name ? yeah. it's in here. -well i never ever +well i never ever heard of them. just suddenly remembered it. mm now what does it say it was, erm american pop star or something wasn't it? -mm oh well -an microwave, -perhaps horse play interests here. +mm oh well +an microwave, +perhaps horse play interests here. i've got one here and i can't get it. no? -well nine down try no take over from s blank oh that's an e not an l of course, that's better. +well nine down try no take over from s blank oh that's an e not an l of course, that's better. even so s blank, s blank p e blank s e d blank sorry? what was it? @@ -313,7 +313,7 @@ superseded blank. superseded, yeah, super. well done. -i often can see it +i often can see it yeah when it's written down. supersedes @@ -322,29 +322,29 @@ superse s e d blank. s e d e. superse oh supersede yeah, of course, supersede, yeah, supersede. mm gosh. -a funny thing the, the chappy who you know erm was in the neighbours and then became a pop star and all the rest +a funny thing the, the chappy who you know erm was in the neighbours and then became a pop star and all the rest mhm -well i'm trying to think what he was called in it but his father his own father is in fact doug willis in the series who's the father of the that girl cody +well i'm trying to think what he was called in it but his father his own father is in fact doug willis in the series who's the father of the that girl cody oh and what not mm -he plays father of four doug willis in the series and also told woman's own magazine that the family on screen a happy on screen family life made a welcome change from real life. -he brought up jason alone after splitting from the boy's mother sue and said i'm very proud i'm very pro that sort of thing ohm +he plays father of four doug willis in the series and also told woman's own magazine that the family on screen a happy on screen family life made a welcome change from real life. +he brought up jason alone after splitting from the boy's mother sue and said i'm very proud i'm very pro that sort of thing ohm i couldn't hear you then? no it's alright i, i answered myself. i said yes you did. what? bring out knives . yes. -those erm erm fuchsias that we bought i reckon they've doubled in size. +those erm erm fuchsias that we bought i reckon they've doubled in size. mm. i thought that goes with that. yeah but what would you get with the two? -with the two you get tesco's premium teabags, a hundred plus tesco's freeze dried gold coffee, two hundred grammes of that plus packet of erm biscuits. -well the teabags don't mean anything to us really +with the two you get tesco's premium teabags, a hundred plus tesco's freeze dried gold coffee, two hundred grammes of that plus packet of erm biscuits. +well the teabags don't mean anything to us really thought you said something about a chicken. -well that's if you get the, the next page which means that you have to have twenty stamps in all. +well that's if you get the, the next page which means that you have to have twenty stamps in all. oh i see. you have to have four completed pages oh i see. @@ -353,12 +353,12 @@ oh well i'm not likely to have that next week, that's no you won't get that, no. going to need -so you're looking at either these chocolates or well you don't want the premium teabags anyway +so you're looking at either these chocolates or well you don't want the premium teabags anyway no. but then we don't use teabags do we? i mean no. -they could go to parish hall but i'm thinking to myself well why bother? +they could go to parish hall but i'm thinking to myself well why bother? well you can always charge them, could always take the cash for that. but erm so how much is the coffee? @@ -372,14 +372,14 @@ yeah. and you see other than that there's just the biscuits. yeah. and we've got plenty of biscuits there. -premium teabags, a hundred and sixty plus the freeze dried gold coffee plus spec erm fox's speciality selection biscuits. -with the four completed pages you get a large frozen chicken er six pounds six pounds four ounces plus erm party size, fourteen portions black forest gateau plus a bottle of bordeaux white wine. +premium teabags, a hundred and sixty plus the freeze dried gold coffee plus spec erm fox's speciality selection biscuits. +with the four completed pages you get a large frozen chicken er six pounds six pounds four ounces plus erm party size, fourteen portions black forest gateau plus a bottle of bordeaux white wine. yes but you're never gonna get that, i mean that's yes that, that would be ridiculous wouldn't it? well that would be what,f cos i'd need to spend hundred fifty pound, hundred and forty pound something. -well erm four completed pages, twenty stamps you need to have two hundred pounds in all. +well erm four completed pages, twenty stamps you need to have two hundred pounds in all. well that's ridiculous, i mean you won't and you see i've got fifty, sixty @@ -391,65 +391,65 @@ i'll leave it as it is i think because yeah. the teabags don't mean anything to us no. -and and i have got +and and i have got mm. -i mean it would be just as well to buy another thing of coffee because at the moment you get that extra little erm +i mean it would be just as well to buy another thing of coffee because at the moment you get that extra little erm one anyway. jar for any, any, free anyway. yeah. mm. -so well we could go out there anyway to see whether they've got any er you see if they carried it on for another month +so well we could go out there anyway to see whether they've got any er you see if they carried it on for another month that would be different. but it was only for february. yeah. right, so anyway you want bread and you want, we want milk powder don't we? oh yes we could get that, yes. you crafty devil you . -erm what i do need, but i'll see how expensive they are,a lettuce but i can go out and buy a lettuce anyway erm +erm what i do need, but i'll see how expensive they are,a lettuce but i can go out and buy a lettuce anyway erm thinking about salad stuff for tonight. salad for tonight. yes. -what were you looking for? +what were you looking for? i'm reading wednesday. oh oh well i'm quite happy. sorry? i said i must admit i'm quite happy here. oh well i -certainly saint gregory's i mean. -i think we can do without the erm the other things. +certainly saint gregory's i mean. +i think we can do without the erm the other things. yes. you know, this fund raising, it's i mean we, we'll be giving them over a thousand pound, well a thousand pound anyway well may well may not be actually. yeah well it may well be -but i think this will be, i mean i'm more and more i'm thinking that erm -and erm you know the other things that you do. +but i think this will be, i mean i'm more and more i'm thinking that erm +and erm you know the other things that you do. they have come on well haven't they? yeah. yeah they have, i mean they're just yeah they're just sort of shooting -able to plant them out then +able to plant them out then shooting up you see aren't they? we could bring that other erm yes i meant to do that, i'll do it when i come back down now. -there's erm and i mean looking after the parish hall as well, why should we bother with that? +there's erm and i mean looking after the parish hall as well, why should we bother with that? yeah that's right. -i mean we we have more than done what was supposed to be to start with to see that it wasn't a drain on the parish. +i mean we we have more than done what was supposed to be to start with to see that it wasn't a drain on the parish. yeah. -must get bored silly not being able to get out +must get bored silly not being able to get out yeah. no i, the other thing is if we're out here, i don't know what to do about this lamp for the bedside, i mean i don't know that i need it and it's another ten pounds isn't it? what do you think? i mean you're gonna get twenty five pounds in vouchers or something aren't you? -i don't know what kind of vou did she say what? +i don't know what kind of vou did she say what? oh i see, you mean not get it till then? well it's only friday, i mean we can yes. pay for it now. -i mean what are the vouchers gonna be for? +i mean what are the vouchers gonna be for? i've got no i i've no idea. probably be smith's. taking off across the road like that in front of a car. @@ -467,15 +467,15 @@ he's shaking his head like mad. yeah he didn't indicate. what was he supposed to be shaking his head for? goodness only knows. -cos i was shaking mine at him +cos i was shaking mine at him oh, i see. perhaps well it was ridiculous! -it was, he didn't put on +it was, he didn't put on there was no indication or anything. suddenly swept in there. -another bank there, talking about a clothes bank -oh that's right they've got, at the cricketfield lane erm car park there's a where, you know where the bottle bank is on the +another bank there, talking about a clothes bank +oh that's right they've got, at the cricketfield lane erm car park there's a where, you know where the bottle bank is on the yeah? they've got this clothing bank. oh. @@ -483,10 +483,10 @@ it did say something in that little magazine that came yesterday. did it? mm. yes it did come to think of it. -so they're actually doing something about this looks almost as if they're putting steps in there. +so they're actually doing something about this looks almost as if they're putting steps in there. did it? i didn't notice at all. -see where that erm thing is there oh there's a place there by the +see where that erm thing is there oh there's a place there by the oh someone's going out here. oh someone here look see. oh is he going in there? @@ -495,7 +495,7 @@ it wasn't a big enough room there. oh i see they're painting up there. you get out, i'll straighten up and come in. whoever would have thought they'd of ended up like this? -yeah +yeah how are you? very well. and you? @@ -505,10 +505,10 @@ that's right, yes yes. that's right. long time ago though now. -ken +ken i know. are you finished as well? -yes +yes oh yes six years ago. how long have you been finished? i think it's nine and a bit now @@ -516,17 +516,17 @@ oh yeah just ni nine years christmas i think it was, yeah. yeah. i erm can't say i'm sorry. -no i can't +no i can't you, you look at what go you look at what goes on nowadays and you think erm oh yes. you know? yes they can keep it. -it's erm it's been very interesting actually this last month because erm talk about your sons joining the enemy erm my second son who's been up in cheshire for well, twenty years i suppose he's just been appointed senior art adviser for devon. +it's erm it's been very interesting actually this last month because erm talk about your sons joining the enemy erm my second son who's been up in cheshire for well, twenty years i suppose he's just been appointed senior art adviser for devon. really? -yeah but the stuff he's shown me, you know the sort of,th the mandatory for seven year olds in the primary school they've got to be able to recognize all the different sorts of painters +yeah but the stuff he's shown me, you know the sort of,th the mandatory for seven year olds in the primary school they've got to be able to recognize all the different sorts of painters really? painters. -he said he said it's ludicrous +he said he said it's ludicrous yes. he said because he said half the yeah @@ -534,7 +534,7 @@ half the teachers won't know yeah. let alone the kids themselves. oh well, when you've got buffoons -like clarke in charge preceded by an idiot like baker +like clarke in charge preceded by an idiot like baker i know, you see what can you expect? and really you know, i mean i think to myself well i'm glad i'm out of it really because erm @@ -547,16 +547,16 @@ yeah that's right yes. i know, yes it's true. -but i warned my children completely off teaching so none of them even contemplated, well they did contemplate, two of them did but i just told them no, not to countenance it -yeah well two of mine did go in, one's gone out into the fire service and the other one has stayed in and he's got, he, he's been doing very well, he's been in a big big comprehensive school up in runcorn, and then he's been seconded to cheshire county to the advisory service for a couple of years and so, hello! +but i warned my children completely off teaching so none of them even contemplated, well they did contemplate, two of them did but i just told them no, not to countenance it +yeah well two of mine did go in, one's gone out into the fire service and the other one has stayed in and he's got, he, he's been doing very well, he's been in a big big comprehensive school up in runcorn, and then he's been seconded to cheshire county to the advisory service for a couple of years and so, hello! hello. -so that erm but yes, and all the heads you speak to, they say to themselves +so that erm but yes, and all the heads you speak to, they say to themselves yeah thank you very much do you ever go to any n a h ? i haven't done, i've been invited to go once or twice and i oh i haven't even been invited. -and, and i've thought well er no well there was so there was something about the erm they're trying to form a, a retired teachers' branch of the n a h t +and, and i've thought well er no well there was so there was something about the erm they're trying to form a, a retired teachers' branch of the n a h t yeah well i i and wrote to them and said yes i'd be interested but i haven't heard anything since. @@ -564,25 +564,25 @@ oh but you haven't heard any more? i didn't even write, i was afraid to,co i've, i've been inv i'm involved in so many other things i don't want to get involved in anything else. mm. mm. -erm and my wife's not terribly well, she's about here now but she's had a she's been in hospital two years ago with her heart so i'm +erm and my wife's not terribly well, she's about here now but she's had a she's been in hospital two years ago with her heart so i'm mm -having to cut down a little bit but i enjoy my look at dartmoor when i get out there and i'm busy with the church and +having to cut down a little bit but i enjoy my look at dartmoor when i get out there and i'm busy with the church and yes. i still enjoy my skiing when i get the chance. ooh. i started after i retired did you really? and it's addictive -yes yes +yes yes it's addictive, it's i suppose so. did you go to yeah i went to, we went in the french pyrenees this january. i usually, we've been to austria other years but yes? -we had a change this time and i, it was quite good, yes it was erm mm frightening you get the adrenalin flowing. +we had a change this time and i, it was quite good, yes it was erm mm frightening you get the adrenalin flowing. yes, yes i can well imagine it. -you know there's, there's apparently there's a black run in switzerland which is named oh my god and +you know there's, there's apparently there's a black run in switzerland which is named oh my god and i, you know the feeling, you know that's right. aah! @@ -596,97 +596,97 @@ pushing trolleys, yeah? yeah yes bye bye, nice to see you. that was ken -ken from dawlish. +ken from dawlish. was it really? yes. -er i was looking at these and er you get, you know, with the er a set of free +er i was looking at these and er you get, you know, with the er a set of free yeah? for one twenty eight. what three packs of three? -three packs of three, i was just wondering if that's good value for +three packs of three, i was just wondering if that's good value for well it's not really is it? i mean it's isn't it? -well it's, it's, it's it's erm +well it's, it's, it's it's erm it was nine you know nine so it's, it's less than two and a half litres. well i suppose that's not bad. -well i was just thinking, you know,w er when we have the kids with us and that sort of thing, presumably we'll be having some of them down over erm easter -seven hundred and fifty twenty two yeah it's just over two litres isn't it? +well i was just thinking, you know,w er when we have the kids with us and that sort of thing, presumably we'll be having some of them down over erm easter +seven hundred and fifty twenty two yeah it's just over two litres isn't it? well that's, that's not bad. er i mean it brings it about the same price as we're paying anyway doesn't it? -yeah i know, you know,really to i don't know what we've got downstairs if any +yeah i know, you know,really to i don't know what we've got downstairs if any we've got some small ones but not a lot i don't suppose. -i mean it's mostly for the kids or if,w when we're travelling in the car anywhere. +i mean it's mostly for the kids or if,w when we're travelling in the car anywhere. right. well is that down here somewhere? do you want a cup of tea? can you remember how much those biscuits were? what, the ones we bought the other day? -yes packet that packet there. +yes packet that packet there. were they about fifty two, something like that were they i think. fifty t i thought they were fifty something but i didn't know. either fifty two or fifty seven i think they were. cos i owe you for those, oh you need to take it out -and the two lots of erm coffee +and the two lots of erm coffee coffee. -well you'll take the biscuit you'll take the biscuits out of the erm wednesday thing won't you? +well you'll take the biscuit you'll take the biscuits out of the erm wednesday thing won't you? but i'll pay you for the two lots of coffee. -i mean i had them in my erm handbag and i think i must have just chucked them out this morning +i mean i had them in my erm handbag and i think i must have just chucked them out this morning yes isn't it? well i suppose if i take fifty two out and i've got to well you'll have to get that in the morning of course. well wednesday morning. wednesday morning, yeah. -away till thursday well we won't see her wednesday and i've got to tell her about that mrs what's her name that's +away till thursday well we won't see her wednesday and i've got to tell her about that mrs what's her name that's she's away till thursday is she? well apparently. -er i said to muriel +er i said to muriel mm. oh maybe it wasn't you, maybe it was erm doris doris i think it was doris actually who said it to you. so you still haven't been able to find it? oh i know what i was going to do. -i was going to phone up the a t s tyre people just to find out +i was going to phone up the a t s tyre people just to find out how much these tyres are. -the second, i must get that ten pence off there, that's june's, that's not bad and that one's july but that's march the second i should have remembered that today. +the second, i must get that ten pence off there, that's june's, that's not bad and that one's july but that's march the second i should have remembered that today. well march the s second is next monday. yeah. what, what, do you want to find out how much for new ones? -well i, yeah i do i mean i don't i don't need them just yet, i mean i think i shan't need to get them till we come back from the trip. -but erm i'm just really interested to know how much they're likely to be and erm find out how much the byrite people will erm charge for them. +well i, yeah i do i mean i don't i don't need them just yet, i mean i think i shan't need to get them till we come back from the trip. +but erm i'm just really interested to know how much they're likely to be and erm find out how much the byrite people will erm charge for them. well you may as well give them a ring, you found their number didn't you? yeah i found their number, yeah. -gosh clematis nursery westlands saxmundham -yeah that's right -yeah just saw +gosh clematis nursery westlands saxmundham +yeah that's right +yeah just saw just the, you know, opened the page and there it was. -he's supposed to be he's supposed to be the real expert for those. -yes the erm coffee is two lots of one eighty nine so that's three seventy eight isn't it? +he's supposed to be he's supposed to be the real expert for those. +yes the erm coffee is two lots of one eighty nine so that's three seventy eight isn't it? mm. oh that's lovely,three years ago my sister died leaving a household of two men, my brother-in-law aged eighty and myself approaching retirement age to cope with ourselves, to cope for ourselves. -er because neither of us could really manage in the kitchen it was not long before we became very tired of having to eat convenience food sad looking old meat pies, dried out chips and heated up frozen vegetables soon palled. -i began to despair in the local press i noticed an advert for an evening class, cookery for men being the young one in the family i plucked up courage and enrolled but it was great, with great apprehension that i went to the first class. +er because neither of us could really manage in the kitchen it was not long before we became very tired of having to eat convenience food sad looking old meat pies, dried out chips and heated up frozen vegetables soon palled. +i began to despair in the local press i noticed an advert for an evening class, cookery for men being the young one in the family i plucked up courage and enrolled but it was great, with great apprehension that i went to the first class. i needn't have worried. there were twenty of us, other chaps in much the same boat as me, nancy our tutor was cheerful, down to earth and did not expect us to be cordon bleu cooks. that course changed my life. with a mixture of demonstrations, simple methods and constant humour, nancy taught us to fend for ourselves. i now have the confidence to tackle almost anything in the kitchen, pies, pastas, cakes, soups, meat dishes, vegetables and bread. -there have been many disasters along the road, yorkshire puddings you could sole your shoes with, burnt offerings of several varieties, a pat that even my dog wouldn't eat and last christmas a chocolate log that disintegrated, the proud little santa on top sinking without trace in a sea of chocolate gunge. -these setbacks however were more than compensated for by the successes. -we still keep meat pies and vegetables in the freezer but only for emergencies and i'm in the third year of the course now . +there have been many disasters along the road, yorkshire puddings you could sole your shoes with, burnt offerings of several varieties, a pat that even my dog wouldn't eat and last christmas a chocolate log that disintegrated, the proud little santa on top sinking without trace in a sea of chocolate gunge. +these setbacks however were more than compensated for by the successes. +we still keep meat pies and vegetables in the freezer but only for emergencies and i'm in the third year of the course now . oh that's lovely. he got fifty pounds for writing that in as well. did he really? yeah mm i was taking my very independent three year old daughter for a walk and i asked her to hold my hand. -i can hold my own hand thank you came the reply and she did . +i can hold my own hand thank you came the reply and she did . yeah. tell you what, it's gonna be a strange journey up to woodbridge mm -because where all the sort of a route that i reckon i know i, i am not gonna know it all. +because where all the sort of a route that i reckon i know i, i am not gonna know it all. no. -oh dear , you'd say this would be me as i was leaving the travel agents i heard a woman say my friend and i want to get away from it all, can you recommend somewhere completely unspoiled with a really nice shopping area . +oh dear , you'd say this would be me as i was leaving the travel agents i heard a woman say my friend and i want to get away from it all, can you recommend somewhere completely unspoiled with a really nice shopping area . mm ah you're right there. somewhere like trega mills oh that's a good idea. @@ -694,7 +694,7 @@ good lord use dampened string when tying up parcels, when the string dries it shrinks and it tightens up. makes your parcel more secure . -you know the steep hill at, at erm between martlesham and woodbridge, you know as you left martlesham you went down that steep hill down to the erm the pub at the bottom of the hill where you came out on the looks to me as if the new road misses that altogether +you know the steep hill at, at erm between martlesham and woodbridge, you know as you left martlesham you went down that steep hill down to the erm the pub at the bottom of the hill where you came out on the looks to me as if the new road misses that altogether it goes round it. goes round that, goes to the bealings side of it. looks to me @@ -702,21 +702,21 @@ you ought to give john a ring tonight yeah you know and sort of erm tell him yeah -what we've done, you know say that you we only want to see +what we've done, you know say that you we only want to see mm -while you're still able sort of comfortably to drive and that sort of thing, i mean if you put it that way and you'll be saying anyway she's my er she's my only living +while you're still able sort of comfortably to drive and that sort of thing, i mean if you put it that way and you'll be saying anyway she's my er she's my only living real relative. that's right. i know they are of course mm -er because er her children but erm say that we we didn't want to sort of upset her by erm you know +er because er her children but erm say that we we didn't want to sort of upset her by erm you know landing ourselves on them. landing ourselves that's right. on them so mm -we've arranged this five day break. -but if we have everything ready to leave as soon as i get back from chess and i'll make sure i leave promptly if we can come straight away then, with a bit of luck we'll be on to the m twenty five b by half past four so we might +we've arranged this five day break. +but if we have everything ready to leave as soon as i get back from chess and i'll make sure i leave promptly if we can come straight away then, with a bit of luck we'll be on to the m twenty five b by half past four so we might how far round do we have to go on that? practically the whole wa half way round. do we? @@ -726,11 +726,11 @@ it's not a lot further than gatwick but in the other direction. yeah. but it's gonna take us, i mean, what gatwick took us about three and a half hours didn't it? yeah. -well i reckon it's gonna take us three and a half hours to get to the other end, so two and a half hours to it and an hour on it if it's not too bad and then of course we've got to go up from there to ipswich, woodbridge but it's dual carriageway all the way now you see. +well i reckon it's gonna take us three and a half hours to get to the other end, so two and a half hours to it and an hour on it if it's not too bad and then of course we've got to go up from there to ipswich, woodbridge but it's dual carriageway all the way now you see. yeah yeah. so i mean it's seventy miles so it should only take us another hour. -so perhaps four and a half hours, if we don't get held up on the m twenty five, four and a half hours would do so that, if we leave here at two, we could be there, you know, well by seven. -so you're going, you will be at three +so perhaps four and a half hours, if we don't get held up on the m twenty five, four and a half hours would do so that, if we leave here at two, we could be there, you know, well by seven. +so you're going, you will be at three quarter past five. what's the time now? oh yes erm @@ -740,44 +740,44 @@ and yeah. and erm cold chicken. -cold chicken yes, and you can have the the other little erm apricot thing and there there is a yoghurt which i'm quite happy enough to have +cold chicken yes, and you can have the the other little erm apricot thing and there there is a yoghurt which i'm quite happy enough to have yeah. so -have you got erm john 's telephone number in your erm +have you got erm john 's telephone number in your erm isn't it in there? it's not in the long book. oh. -well it must be in the front here of my, here one of those two small -oh yes oh no, you've got their address. +well it must be in the front here of my, here one of those two small +oh yes oh no, you've got their address. you haven't got their telephone number. oh. but i wonder if it's in the chr christmas book. yes it could be. i can ring up directory enquiries. -they said, they erm they said something or other they were going to be closing down somewhere in cornwall because the directory enquiry service was not being used +they said, they erm they said something or other they were going to be closing down somewhere in cornwall because the directory enquiry service was not being used yeah but you're still erm and you're ch you're charged for it. well you're charged for it from the erm a private call but you're not charged oh and not from a phone box. not from a phone box. oh well. -well do you know i never knew this i was recently hit by a car and, although not seriously hurt, i did go to casualty to have some cuts cleaned and an x-ray taken to check i hadn't broken my ankle. +well do you know i never knew this i was recently hit by a car and, although not seriously hurt, i did go to casualty to have some cuts cleaned and an x-ray taken to check i hadn't broken my ankle. now i have received a bill for nineteen pounds thirty from the hospital for the treatment i was given. -i thought all treatment was free on the n h s, do i have to pay and they answer no, nor should you have been sent the bill although the hospital was within its rights to make a charge for the emergency treatment fee. +i thought all treatment was free on the n h s, do i have to pay and they answer no, nor should you have been sent the bill although the hospital was within its rights to make a charge for the emergency treatment fee. there is a standard charge for immediate treatment given by a doctor or a hospital to any casualty of a road accident. according to the nineteen eighty eight road traffic act the e t f can be charged only to the driver of the car involved irrespective of who caused the accident. the hospital should therefore have sent the bill to the driver who will be able to claim for it -insurance +insurance that's right, yeah. -all policies must cover many insurers will reimburse it . +all policies must cover many insurers will reimburse it . return the bill to the hospital and explain their error then you should hear nothing further about it . -ah you see here's somebody who's writing about, you know, her part of the erm the interest on an er on erm and it says and provided you have no other income er that would take you over your personal allowance register for on the inland revenue form r eighty five, interest with no tax deductions. -you can also get this form tax office or bank. +ah you see here's somebody who's writing about, you know, her part of the erm the interest on an er on erm and it says and provided you have no other income er that would take you over your personal allowance register for on the inland revenue form r eighty five, interest with no tax deductions. +you can also get this form tax office or bank. if you register immediately you'll benefit from a whole year's worth of tax free interest for what's calculated on april the fifth. -if your building society won't allow you to register you can still apply for a refund of overpaid tax financial year. +if your building society won't allow you to register you can still apply for a refund of overpaid tax financial year. for details see leaflet one r hundred and eleven, how to claim a repayment of tax from banks and building societies . -so i should go into the tax office and -no i think i think we've got the interest your interest on my buil on the buil +so i should go into the tax office and +no i think i think we've got the interest your interest on my buil on the buil yeah i know you sent that to the building society but i was yeah just thinking then of the other @@ -792,7 +792,7 @@ no no no no, i've seen one since then. oh. bearing in mind too that as a non-taxpayer you can open an account in just your name and so enable all the interest to be declared gross. do you? -well it's neither here nor there but i mean the thing is that we don't as it is we're not losing anything because you're getting yours, half of it's coming back as, as gross interest. +well it's neither here nor there but i mean the thing is that we don't as it is we're not losing anything because you're getting yours, half of it's coming back as, as gross interest. i'm tired. you're tired? mm. @@ -801,8 +801,8 @@ yeah. oh. pam is cycling -in -at a constant speed here she is +in +at a constant speed here she is four seconds later and here she is four seconds later . pam went twenty miles @@ -817,7 +817,7 @@ not cycling. how far does she go each second ? five metr right. -how what was her speed +how what was her speed what is her speed in in metres per second. @@ -830,11 +830,11 @@ ken is rowing at a constant speed, he covers eighteen metres in three seconds. what is his speed ? six that's right. -the plane flying at a constant speed takes five seconds to go one thousand five hundred miles what +the plane flying at a constant speed takes five seconds to go one thousand five hundred miles what no. metres. metres,what is f what is his speed in metres per second ? -fives into that goes three +fives into that goes three that's right. so three hundred miles three hundred metres per second. @@ -842,8 +842,8 @@ three hundred i think you'll find here they won't deal with miles at . having said that they do. no they don't. -they do show miles but they also show kilometres, yes right, so number four. -the lorry travelling on a motorway at a constant speed goes hundred metres in four seconds, what is his speed ?fours into sixty +they do show miles but they also show kilometres, yes right, so number four. +the lorry travelling on a motorway at a constant speed goes hundred metres in four seconds, what is his speed ?fours into sixty mm? i'm being a bridesmaid. are you? @@ -863,7 +863,7 @@ twenty five oh oh right! twenty five m s -i'm aren't i? +i'm aren't i? i think i've seen this one before. pardon? , that's a good picture isn't it? @@ -871,13 +871,13 @@ mm. it is that one isn't it? it's probably a photograph. yes. -that's good though that is. was running along a track at a constant speed he passed the hundred and fifty metre mark. -ten seconds later he passed the two hundred fifty metre mark. +that's good though that is. was running along a track at a constant speed he passed the hundred and fifty metre mark. +ten seconds later he passed the two hundred fifty metre mark. how far did he run in ten seconds ? a hundred metres. right. erm a hundred metres per second. -now be careful cos you give the speed in metres per second. +now be careful cos you give the speed in metres per second. mm. so how far is it per second? how far is it per second? @@ -893,17 +893,17 @@ so? what was his speed? ten metres ten metres per second, right. -right, here are the distance time graphs of two walkers, there's the time in seconds there's the distance in metres +right, here are the distance time graphs of two walkers, there's the time in seconds there's the distance in metres how far did ann go in ten seconds ? how far did ann go in ten seconds ? right, what did you get? erm twenty five in two seconds. good. -right so b one up to now speeds have been in metres per second we also use miles per hour m p h or m i h and kilometres per hour, k m h or k m p h +right so b one up to now speeds have been in metres per second we also use miles per hour m p h or m i h and kilometres per hour, k m h or k m p h if the car has a constant speed of fifty miles per hour this means it goes fifty miles in every hour . right? yeah. -so how far will a lorry go in three hours at a constant speed of fifty miles per hour? +so how far will a lorry go in three hours at a constant speed of fifty miles per hour? hundred and fifty miles. right. just shut these doors cos otherwise we're gonna get very cold in here. @@ -912,21 +912,21 @@ gloria and gavin. three people. three people. who -alex is coming in isn't +alex is coming in isn't oh yes! right -well that's what comes when you have a holiday. +well that's what comes when you have a holiday. mm. -right, b two if a train is going at a constant speed of ninety miles per hour how far will it go in two hours ? +right, b two if a train is going at a constant speed of ninety miles per hour how far will it go in two hours ? hundred and eighty. right. do you like teaching us terry? -yes it's quite erm quite a challenge. +yes it's quite erm quite a challenge. oh yes if i've got a skill to impart i don't mind helping people. how far will a plane go in four hours that has a constant speed of five hundred miles per hour ? -oh one, two thousand miles +oh one, two thousand miles that's right, good. -it's been hot this like summer today isn't it? +it's been hot this like summer today isn't it? it's been lovely hasn't it? mm. and all the bulbs are coming out now nicely as well. @@ -936,7 +936,7 @@ mm. i in fact mowed my lawn yesterday. oh. no it was the day before yesterday. -it's been hot all the car is going along the motorway at a constant speed. +it's been hot all the car is going along the motorway at a constant speed. it covers a hundred and eighty miles in three hours. how far does it go in one hour ? sixty miles. @@ -944,24 +944,24 @@ that's right. write down its speed . sixty miles per hour? mm. -the 's top speed is two thousand three hundred kilometres per hour no kilometres er, yeah how far does it fly in three hours at top speed ? -oh +the 's top speed is two thousand three hundred kilometres per hour no kilometres er, yeah how far does it fly in three hours at top speed ? +oh no, careful. oh three times that's right. six thousand nine hundred. -that's right kilometres per hour. +that's right kilometres per hour. yes. no kil kilometres sorry. kilometres. yes. -it is one thousand and fifty from london to -it is what did you say? -it is one thousand fi and fifty kilometres +it is one thousand and fifty from london to +it is what did you say? +it is one thousand fi and fifty kilometres one thousand two hundred and fifty two hundred and fifty kilometres from london to? -kilometres from london to veneta +kilometres from london to veneta vienna. vienna . where's vienna? @@ -974,8 +974,8 @@ oh yeah it is. vienna is the capital of austria oh! and it's right across the other side of austria from us. -where you went skiing is this side of austria, but vienna is about two hundred and two hundred and fifty miles further on across austria, very close to erm czechoslovakia and erm yugoslavia. -right so it is twelve hundred and fifty kilometres from london to vienna, can a concorde do the trip in half an hour ? +where you went skiing is this side of austria, but vienna is about two hundred and two hundred and fifty miles further on across austria, very close to erm czechoslovakia and erm yugoslavia. +right so it is twelve hundred and fifty kilometres from london to vienna, can a concorde do the trip in half an hour ? how far does it go in an hour? two hundred and right. @@ -988,9 +988,9 @@ one thousand one thousand an one hundred yeah, yeah fifty -and fifty, right, so the answer is no it can only do eleven hundred and fifty kilometres in half an hour. +and fifty, right, so the answer is no it can only do eleven hundred and fifty kilometres in half an hour. right, average speed -ha oh terry +ha oh terry mhm? will you take me letterboxing one day this week if you can? i don't think it's gonna be possible this week but perhaps in the easter holidays erm @@ -1000,9 +1000,9 @@ yeah. okay. it is a hundred miles from king's lions king's lynn. -king's lynn where's that? -erm do you know where the wash is? -no if you think of a map of england erm the south coast is there, there's dover, there's the estuary for london, london is here erm then it comes up like this, the east coast of london, the east coast of e england like that this is east, called east anglia, here you've got norfolk and norwich and then you've got ipswich here and then you've got suffolk there and essex, right? +king's lynn where's that? +erm do you know where the wash is? +no if you think of a map of england erm the south coast is there, there's dover, there's the estuary for london, london is here erm then it comes up like this, the east coast of london, the east coast of e england like that this is east, called east anglia, here you've got norfolk and norwich and then you've got ipswich here and then you've got suffolk there and essex, right? can you remember that bulge in the map of england? well that piece up there is called the wash oh. @@ -1015,61 +1015,61 @@ oh. so that's where it is. north of london. up by the wash. -right it is a hundred miles from king's lynn to london, the train takes two hours to do the journey the train does not go at a constant speed, it speeds up sometimes and slows down at other times it also stops at stations on the way and on once of course as it, as it's stopping it's going more and more slowly and as it's er moving off again it starts slowly and starts to go quickly but because it takes two hours in all the train goes a hundred miles in two hours we say its average speed for the journey is fifty miles per hour. +right it is a hundred miles from king's lynn to london, the train takes two hours to do the journey the train does not go at a constant speed, it speeds up sometimes and slows down at other times it also stops at stations on the way and on once of course as it, as it's stopping it's going more and more slowly and as it's er moving off again it starts slowly and starts to go quickly but because it takes two hours in all the train goes a hundred miles in two hours we say its average speed for the journey is fifty miles per hour. it says if it was travelling at a constant speed of fifty miles an hour. -it doesn't, sometimes it goes more slowly sometimes it goes more quickly, sometimes it stops but because it takes two hours to do the hundred miles we say its average speed for the journey is fifty miles per hour. -its real speed changes during the journey sometimes it is more than fifty miles per hour, sometimes less but in two hours it goes the same distance as it would if its speed was fifty miles per hour all the time. +it doesn't, sometimes it goes more slowly sometimes it goes more quickly, sometimes it stops but because it takes two hours to do the hundred miles we say its average speed for the journey is fifty miles per hour. +its real speed changes during the journey sometimes it is more than fifty miles per hour, sometimes less but in two hours it goes the same distance as it would if its speed was fifty miles per hour all the time. oh. so we say its average speed is fifty miles per hour. -there used to be a train called the cheltenham flyer there it is it went from cheltenham to london a hundred and twenty miles in two hours do you know where cheltenham is? -well if there is the south coast along here and devo c cornwall is there and devon is here and you get the w the bristol channel going up here and then you c the coast coming down here and there's wales is here right? +there used to be a train called the cheltenham flyer there it is it went from cheltenham to london a hundred and twenty miles in two hours do you know where cheltenham is? +well if there is the south coast along here and devo c cornwall is there and devon is here and you get the w the bristol channel going up here and then you c the coast coming down here and there's wales is here right? bristol is there, right? -and if you go up from bristol on from here you go up the motorway to bristol and then you go along the m four to london well north of bristol, up where the river severn gets quite narrow and can be bridged is a city called gloucester and cheltenham is just inland from gloucester. +and if you go up from bristol on from here you go up the motorway to bristol and then you go along the m four to london well north of bristol, up where the river severn gets quite narrow and can be bridged is a city called gloucester and cheltenham is just inland from gloucester. oh. so cheltenham is about there, and it's about a hundred and twenty miles from cheltenham to london. mm. right? okay. so there's cheltenham. -right so it went from cheltenham to london, a hundred and twenty miles, in two hours, what was its average speed? +right so it went from cheltenham to london, a hundred and twenty miles, in two hours, what was its average speed? mm -well if it, if it average speed is a hundred and twenty miles in two hours how far in fact would it go in one hour? +well if it, if it average speed is a hundred and twenty miles in two hours how far in fact would it go in one hour? sixty. so what was its average speed? sixty. sixty miles per hour. oh -it wasn't its actual speed there will be sometimes it will be going very slowly, sometimes it will be going much more quickly but its average speed was sixty miles an hour because at sixty miles an hour it would cover a hundred and twenty miles, which was the distance, in two hours. +it wasn't its actual speed there will be sometimes it will be going very slowly, sometimes it will be going much more quickly but its average speed was sixty miles an hour because at sixty miles an hour it would cover a hundred and twenty miles, which was the distance, in two hours. oh right? this book isn't very big is it? no, none of them are really are they? well this one's very small isn't it? -yeah cos look +yeah cos look oh well you're gonna get on aren't you? great, yeah, you're half way through. ha! only got s nine pages mm. -right so that was c one, c two it is a hundred and fifty miles from hereford to london by rail hereford is north of cheltenham, it's going up from cheltenham is hereford the first train in the morning takes three hours for the journey what's its average speed ? +right so that was c one, c two it is a hundred and fifty miles from hereford to london by rail hereford is north of cheltenham, it's going up from cheltenham is hereford the first train in the morning takes three hours for the journey what's its average speed ? right can we go on the computer today? well there might be time, we'll see how we get on. -now it says b what did you do with th the numbers one hundred and fifty and three to get the answer ? +now it says b what did you do with th the numbers one hundred and fifty and three to get the answer ? divided a hundred by three. -right so you write that down, you divided a hundred and fifty by three. +right so you write that down, you divided a hundred and fifty by three. i wonder what my brother's doing now. -well at the present moment it's about, where he is it's about half past five, twenty to six, so he is probably waiting for his supper i should think his evening meal. +well at the present moment it's about, where he is it's about half past five, twenty to six, so he is probably waiting for his supper i should think his evening meal. he won't be, he'll have finished skiing now. mm. does it get dark over there quick? it probably gets dark about the same time as it does here. -it's not dark quicker there now would it? +it's not dark quicker there now would it? no it would probably be, you know, no it will be about this, be a little bit darker than this. it gets dark, it'll be dark there before it is dark here mm. mm -because it's further east so the sun is further away from them because the sun rises in the east so it gets light earlier that's why we put the clocks on when you go to europe, one hour. +because it's further east so the sun is further away from them because the sun rises in the east so it gets light earlier that's why we put the clocks on when you go to europe, one hour. oh. in america it's loads isn't it? well in america it's the other way, in america i i it is after us because they are further west than we are. @@ -1080,13 +1080,13 @@ i've been to penzance. i know yeah. where that is. -that's near mile end no what's it called land's end. +that's near mile end no what's it called land's end. land's end that's right, yes. yeah. it's right down at the far south west. -it's it's more than a hundred miles from us. +it's it's more than a hundred miles from us. it's about a hundred and thirty miles from us down to penzance. -so you know we're about two hundred miles from london, so we're about, only about two thirds of the way from london to penzance. +so you know we're about two hundred miles from london, so we're about, only about two thirds of the way from london to penzance. have you been to l erm land's end since they've yes. done it all up? @@ -1095,28 +1095,28 @@ it's good there now. is it? yeah they show you this mm -erm you go in this place and erm and it shows you all the boats and things, and you can have a go on, there's this thing where they crawl up . -and then you go through this door and it's all old like things and then you go and see erm and you go into this place and it's like telling you all the erm history and things like that +erm you go in this place and erm and it shows you all the boats and things, and you can have a go on, there's this thing where they crawl up . +and then you go through this door and it's all old like things and then you go and see erm and you go into this place and it's like telling you all the erm history and things like that does it. -and it's got like rocks and things and erm statues doing like erm digging up gold and things a and it's got +and it's got like rocks and things and erm statues doing like erm digging up gold and things a and it's got oh yeah? erm like a ship working models? yeah. -and it's got a ship and erm there's people on there and it shows you this thing round the ship erm they have a storm and suddenly the sh the erm what do you call it? +and it's got a ship and erm there's people on there and it shows you this thing round the ship erm they have a storm and suddenly the sh the erm what do you call it? the th that big long thing? mast? -yeah that's it, all fell down and it went like that +yeah that's it, all fell down and it went like that yeah . and there's lots of other things there as well. -right,penzance is three hundred and five miles from london by rail the train leaves penzance at five eighteen a m +right,penzance is three hundred and five miles from london by rail the train leaves penzance at five eighteen a m ooh ooh and gets to london at ten eighteen am . how many hours does the journey take? five hours. five hours. -and b what was the average time speed of the train? -erm five into thirty goes ei si sixty five? +and b what was the average time speed of the train? +erm five into thirty goes ei si sixty five? no. oh. what's five into three hundred and @@ -1125,18 +1125,18 @@ fives into thirty goes six sixty one. sixty one. good. -right c four from carlisle to london is three hundred miles gracious me, you see if you've got a map of england, we haven't got it on here but if you imagine england going up here, carlisle is right -now just think about it if you go out of your front door +right c four from carlisle to london is three hundred miles gracious me, you see if you've got a map of england, we haven't got it on here but if you imagine england going up here, carlisle is right +now just think about it if you go out of your front door my front door and you turn left turn left -and you go to a junction don't you? +and you go to a junction don't you? yeah now if you turn right at that junction the train station! what? if you turn right at that junction, on which road do you go? -the no the erm goes to +the no the erm goes to yes, which road is that? what's it called? i don't know. @@ -1144,29 +1144,29 @@ you don't know! no. if you go out of your f well go out of the gate here and turn right mm -and go across church road don't go left down decoy road, keep straight on +and go across church road don't go left down decoy road, keep straight on mm past all the new houses that have been built, past the playing fields yeah? and you don't know the name of that road? no. -it is called coach road +it is called coach road ooh! -and it is the er it's called coach road because that is the road that the coaches used to go along to totnes +and it is the er it's called coach road because that is the road that the coaches used to go along to totnes mm. and from totnes to plymouth. and it is the old coach road. -so a hundred and fifty years ago you would have the stagecoach going past here. +so a hundred and fifty years ago you would have the stagecoach going past here. were these houses there then? no. no? no. what would of been here? -that house might well have been here that big house just there across th in there which has now been turned into flats. +that house might well have been here that big house just there across th in there which has now been turned into flats. mm. er i don't know when that was built, it might not have been built but it er it's victorian so it could have been built like in eighteen thirty soon fa certainly soon after eighteen thirty that would have been built. when were our houses built? -about nineteen sixty nineteen sixty six. +about nineteen sixty nineteen sixty six. how old are our houses? well if they were built in sixty six, and i think they were, they are now, how old are they now? sixty six did you say? @@ -1180,21 +1180,21 @@ nineteen sixty six, what are we now? nineteen ninety two. right, well how many years is that? i don't know. -fifty seventy eighty ni three thirty years? +fifty seventy eighty ni three thirty years? well ninety six it will be thirty years. -so twenty twenty four years? +so twenty twenty four years? about twenty six years. yeah! about twenty six years. -that's oh i thought they were very old. +that's oh i thought they were very old. no. where have you lived in? -would you a hou the house did you live into it when it was new? +would you a hou the house did you live into it when it was new? no. no? no. -i don't know ho certainly i know there had been at least two peo different lots of people living in ours before we moved in, and i would think there were probably more than that. -cos we moved in in about nineteen i think we moved in in nineteen eighty nineteen eighty, nineteen eighty one we moved in. +i don't know ho certainly i know there had been at least two peo different lots of people living in ours before we moved in, and i would think there were probably more than that. +cos we moved in in about nineteen i think we moved in in nineteen eighty nineteen eighty, nineteen eighty one we moved in. oh mm? in the house that she's lived in that she's in now all her life @@ -1204,15 +1204,15 @@ your nan. all her life since she was little. she gracious -she, she came g went to the house when she came back from hospital and she's still living in it now. +she, she came g went to the house when she came back from hospital and she's still living in it now. good lord. right come on me girl let's get on a little bit. d, otherwise we're not gonna have time to go on the computer oh! -d well yes we can because you can, you can finish it off at home can't you? +d well yes we can because you can, you can finish it off at home can't you? yes, right. -so d calculating journey times -oh oh look it's got the place. +so d calculating journey times +oh oh look it's got the place. you know there, poole, is that yeah no it's not is it? @@ -1226,7 +1226,7 @@ mm yeah portsmouth. oh portsmouth is here. it's not marked but it's there is portsmouth. -i'm going to france from there. +i'm going to france from there. are you? how long does it take to get to there from our house? or from @@ -1249,7 +1249,7 @@ oh. oh that's gonna be quite an experience then isn't it? you haven't been to france then? yes you have, you've flown of course. -no haven't been to france. +no haven't been to france. well you've been to austria. i've been to austria, yeah. yes but you've flown? @@ -1258,7 +1258,7 @@ mm. yeah, no not on a boat, no. right. it's nicer flying. -a motor boat has a speed of four miles per hour this means it goes four miles in every hour +a motor boat has a speed of four miles per hour this means it goes four miles in every hour oh. how many hours does it take to go from lulworth to bournemouth ? twenty four hours? @@ -1294,32 +1294,32 @@ no have you been to that part there? no i don't think we landed at cowes i think we landed over here further. did you fly? -no, went on a hovercraft well wen went on the hovercraft and came back on a, a ferry on the boat. +no, went on a hovercraft well wen went on the hovercraft and came back on a, a ferry on the boat. what's a hovercraft? -well it's a very specialized boat in a sense, i mean it goes on the surface of the water and it literally goes on the surface of the water, it's a hovercraft is a sort of a it's a vessel which has got a skirt all round it +well it's a very specialized boat in a sense, i mean it goes on the surface of the water and it literally goes on the surface of the water, it's a hovercraft is a sort of a it's a vessel which has got a skirt all round it is it a rubber one? -yes, heavy thick rubber skirt and that the engines do two things, they, they drive propellers in the air and they pump air from under the vessel onto the surface of the water and the skirt round the boat +yes, heavy thick rubber skirt and that the engines do two things, they, they drive propellers in the air and they pump air from under the vessel onto the surface of the water and the skirt round the boat keeps dry keeps a cushion of air under the vessel so that really it hovers on top of the water and the air propellers drive it like an aeroplane oh but it skims across the surface of the water and it's very quick, it only takes half an hour to go from ramsgate to dover. mm! -right er from swanage to ventnor is thirty two miles so how long would a motor boat take? +right er from swanage to ventnor is thirty two miles so how long would a motor boat take? eight hours. eight hours, right. colin's dad's got a boat. has he? and how long would it take to go round the isle of wight, which is sixty miles round the isle of wight? -er erm fifteen? +er erm fifteen? fifteen hours, right. -right d two how long does it take to go from ventnor to swanage in a launch with a speed of eight miles per hour ? -oh ventnor, where's ventnor? -ah twenty two miles four +right d two how long does it take to go from ventnor to swanage in a launch with a speed of eight miles per hour ? +oh ventnor, where's ventnor? +ah twenty two miles four right. four hours. -right, now you get the answer to d two by dividing the distance by the speed +right, now you get the answer to d two by dividing the distance by the speed mm? -thirty two's the distance divided by the speed which is eight, thirty two divided by eight is four this is the rule for working out a journey time distance in miles divided by speed in miles per hour gives you the time in hours. +thirty two's the distance divided by the speed which is eight, thirty two divided by eight is four this is the rule for working out a journey time distance in miles divided by speed in miles per hour gives you the time in hours. right. you need a calculator. i need a calculator. @@ -1327,32 +1327,32 @@ ooh how many hours does it take to go seven hundred and five miles at forty seven miles per hour? fifteen hours. right. -this is fun i like talking into this diagram shows the reach or an airline distances are in kilometres the figures for them are only rough one, a jet flies from beirut +this is fun i like talking into this diagram shows the reach or an airline distances are in kilometres the figures for them are only rough one, a jet flies from beirut beirut to to bombay at four thousand kilometres. its speed is about eight hundred kilometres per hour eight hundred and fifty fifty -kilometres per hour to work out the time it takes we do four thousand divided by three er eight hundred and fifty. -the answer on the calculator is four point seven o five double eight two three hours but we do not need that as that +kilometres per hour to work out the time it takes we do four thousand divided by three er eight hundred and fifty. +the answer on the calculator is four point seven o five double eight two three hours but we do not need that as that to be as exact as that because the distance is because the d not exactly four thousand miles and the speed is not exactly eight hundred and fifty kilometres per hour . the nearest whole number of hours is good enough. -the nearest whole number of hours do you take it by that number? -the nearest whole number to four point seven the wh nearest whole number to four point seven nought five double eight two three is five because to the nearest whole number you look at that four, it's either gonna be four or five depending upon what that number is +the nearest whole number of hours do you take it by that number? +the nearest whole number to four point seven the wh nearest whole number to four point seven nought five double eight two three is five because to the nearest whole number you look at that four, it's either gonna be four or five depending upon what that number is mm. isn't it? if that's five or more then you pu increase that by one and make it five. so the journey time is about five hours. -so d four work out these journey times to the nearest hour. -bombay to perth at about eight hundred and fifty kilometres an hour -bombay to perth eight +so d four work out these journey times to the nearest hour. +bombay to perth at about eight hundred and fifty kilometres an hour +bombay to perth eight hours. mm? eight hours, right. -rome to beirut two hundred and +rome to beirut two hundred and pardon? two thousand two hundred two thousand two hundred, right. @@ -1374,29 +1374,29 @@ six hours. good. right e -now this is quite important, you've got to think about this calculate as work in decimals . +now this is quite important, you've got to think about this calculate as work in decimals . but we usually think of time as hours and minutes and seconds too if we are being very exact. -this scale shows both minutes and decimals as an hour. -thirty minutes half an hour, nought point five +this scale shows both minutes and decimals as an hour. +thirty minutes half an hour, nought point five mm right? -erm fifteen minutes nought point two five. -forty five minutes three quarters of an hour, nought point seven five and all the different calculations in between fifty minutes is about nought point that's nought eight, that's nought nine so it'd be nought point eight one, two +erm fifteen minutes nought point two five. +forty five minutes three quarters of an hour, nought point seven five and all the different calculations in between fifty minutes is about nought point that's nought eight, that's nought nine so it'd be nought point eight one, two four three isn't it? just over three. mm yeah. right? -so it says this scale shows both minutes and decimals and now use the scale to change these to minutes . -now what's point three of an hour in minutes? +so it says this scale shows both minutes and decimals and now use the scale to change these to minutes . +now what's point three of an hour in minutes? ten point -no nought point three's there look +no nought point three's there look mm now you want to read off the top of the scale for minutes. fifteen minutes that's ten minutes yeah. -that's twenty minutes that's fifteen minutes +that's twenty minutes that's fifteen minutes mm. what's each of those little divisions? one minute. @@ -1404,12 +1404,12 @@ right so point three fifteen minut er fif eighteen minutes. eighteen minutes, right. b nought point seven five of an hour ? -there forty five minutes. +there forty five minutes. forty five minutes. -c nought point four three hours nought point four three +c nought point four three hours nought point four three oh! four -nought point +nought point four three there that's right, well what's that? @@ -1417,32 +1417,32 @@ twenty and six minutes si twenty six minutes. and nought point nought five of an hour? there -mhm in minutes. +mhm in minutes. three. three minutes. -then e, change these to decimals of an hour twenty four minutes +then e, change these to decimals of an hour twenty four minutes nought point four. nought point four. fifty one minutes? nought point eight five. nought point five, good. five minutes -nought point nought point nought eight. +nought point nought point nought eight. right. and thirty five minutes. -nought point five eight. +nought point five eight. right. right well we'll just do this then you can have a go on the computer. -the distance from london to weymouth is a hundred and forty three miles the train takes two hours forty two minutes for the journey +the distance from london to weymouth is a hundred and forty three miles the train takes two hours forty two minutes for the journey mm? -we can find the train's average speed like this change forty two minutes to a decimal of an hour what's that? +we can find the train's average speed like this change forty two minutes to a decimal of an hour what's that? nought point seven. right. from the scale above forty two minutes equals nought point seven hours mm. -that means the journey time is two point seven hours , two hours forty two minutes is two point seven hours +that means the journey time is two point seven hours , two hours forty two minutes is two point seven hours mm. -divide the distance by the time hundred and forty three divided by two point seven equals fifty two point nine round off to the nearest whole number that would be? +divide the distance by the time hundred and forty three divided by two point seven equals fifty two point nine round off to the nearest whole number that would be? fifty three. so the average speed is about fifty three miles per hour. oh. @@ -1453,9 +1453,9 @@ nought point f n nought point four five. so one hour p one hour point, point forty five? one point four five yeah. -nought point one nought. +nought point one nought. so that's the average speed? -yeah er +yeah er what did you do wrong? divided it. yes, but what did you divide by what? @@ -1474,20 +1474,20 @@ one point four five. aha! what's that? eighty one. -right miles per hour. +right miles per hour. yeah. -now just for interest's sake do what you did before, divide +now just for interest's sake do what you did before, divide okay -one point four five by one one eight, equals now -that's the wrong way, you've done it the wrong way haven't you? +one point four five by one one eight, equals now +that's the wrong way, you've done it the wrong way haven't you? mm. -so push that button +so push that button oh! oh!! it's turned it the other way round. it's the reciprocal button oh -and a half, one over two the reciprocal of a half if you turn it the other way round it's two over one +and a half, one over two the reciprocal of a half if you turn it the other way round it's two over one yes. so it's two. mm. @@ -1523,25 +1523,25 @@ well they're all big now aren't they? they are, that's right there was one that i had to throw away because it was erm oh is that so -all damaged at one end and i, you know, erm thought i'd cut that away +all damaged at one end and i, you know, erm thought i'd cut that away yeah but in fact it was bad all the way through mm -so , i must confess when i say that we've had bad, like that time when did you give er lucy back her english? +so , i must confess when i say that we've had bad, like that time when did you give er lucy back her english? mm, mm -i thought she was clutching it as she went past here but erm, oh you've had some? +i thought she was clutching it as she went past here but erm, oh you've had some? no i haven't, i haven't, when you've had yours -this is the cheesy one i bought some beetroot the other day, they had some nice little ones, which i must cook, they were ever so cheap, i've forgotten how cheap but you know they were really cheap +this is the cheesy one i bought some beetroot the other day, they had some nice little ones, which i must cook, they were ever so cheap, i've forgotten how cheap but you know they were really cheap mm now can you see what i did with the lid at them? yes -oh perhaps i never had it a man came here, from somebody or other double glazing +oh perhaps i never had it a man came here, from somebody or other double glazing oh i heard the bell go -i thought it might of been pat sort of at that time, but erm when i looked out i saw a man with a billboard thing -one of the little maps in the book shows the isle of wight with some towns round the isle of wight, and it said poole so she said poole, she said the boat sailed from out of france? +i thought it might of been pat sort of at that time, but erm when i looked out i saw a man with a billboard thing +one of the little maps in the book shows the isle of wight with some towns round the isle of wight, and it said poole so she said poole, she said the boat sailed from out of france? so i said no portsmouth oh she said that's right she said i'm going from portsmouth oh is she? -oh i said, yes she said, i like going on a boat, she said not that i've been on one she said she's never been on a boat across +oh i said, yes she said, i like going on a boat, she said not that i've been on one she said she's never been on a boat across no i don't think any of them have you see oh, she's you know, when she's been to austria of course she's flown yes that's right @@ -1549,8 +1549,8 @@ so she's erm, quite looking forward to that she is, gave her some of the warnings that er no i didn't actually, but i shouldn't think it great easy to fall off a boat actually would you? -no well having said that, if you're fool enough to sit on the side -oh yeah but i mean if you're sitting on a seat or if you've got sort of have the rails +no well having said that, if you're fool enough to sit on the side +oh yeah but i mean if you're sitting on a seat or if you've got sort of have the rails ah, mm, mm, mm looking at the water, i think you would have to sort of climb up over the rails to fall in wouldn't you? oh yeah, you'd have to perch up on them, sit on them, you know @@ -1558,41 +1558,41 @@ mm well i mean you know, you know what children are, you never know what they might do i always took the point about the children in the hall didn't they? mm, mm -they hadn't thought about that do you know, i reckon that sister josephine erm behind all this, she wanted that hall and she and father used to talk about this you see they want to extend the church back and do away with the car parking area as well, oh that's alright, but erm sort of can't see any point in it, i mean congregations are going down, they're not increasing, the church is big enough for what is necessary i would of thought wouldn't you? +they hadn't thought about that do you know, i reckon that sister josephine erm behind all this, she wanted that hall and she and father used to talk about this you see they want to extend the church back and do away with the car parking area as well, oh that's alright, but erm sort of can't see any point in it, i mean congregations are going down, they're not increasing, the church is big enough for what is necessary i would of thought wouldn't you? don't need a cathedral in it well of course you never know i mean if they close saint gregory's i wouldn't of thought they'd do that mm, i wouldn't, but -they'd of more like i would of thought close king staiton because saint gregory's was a purpose built church +they'd of more like i would of thought close king staiton because saint gregory's was a purpose built church yeah but i never forget the way that doreen when she said we were doing things, she said you shouldn't of started it she said, you'll only get kicked in the teeth at saint joseph's is that what she said? oh yes right from the beginning did she really? -i didn't know that oh -yes, when we came out here i'll never forget mark, not even saying thank you, not, not even for raising the money i mean i wouldn't expect that from the parishioners, that's what we should be trying to do, but even for the food and that, till erm kitty and and the way he got up then and said it, most ungraciously -yes mind you i had to admit, you know me, i know, never have been very impressed with him +i didn't know that oh +yes, when we came out here i'll never forget mark, not even saying thank you, not, not even for raising the money i mean i wouldn't expect that from the parishioners, that's what we should be trying to do, but even for the food and that, till erm kitty and and the way he got up then and said it, most ungraciously +yes mind you i had to admit, you know me, i know, never have been very impressed with him with him , well for some reason he doesn't like us, well, you say i was thinking, i've been thinking as you know this is the sort of thing that i, gets on to my mind, but i was thinking to myself well really and truly we are so honest people ourselves, we don't go round you know and screw sort of fiddling things, i suppose it comes to hard to us when we discover other people have yeah -but i know kay wasn't very pleased with sister about these sort of erm stout things, cos sister said well if they're not collected by the time of the next jumble, we sort of empty the cupboard and put them all in for erm the jumble sale kay said to me they're not hers to do that with +but i know kay wasn't very pleased with sister about these sort of erm stout things, cos sister said well if they're not collected by the time of the next jumble, we sort of empty the cupboard and put them all in for erm the jumble sale kay said to me they're not hers to do that with mind you no, no, no that was, i mean kay did what she had to do and sort of got the person yeah, fair enough to do it, but sister wouldn't of even have that, she would of just erm, chucked them, but i know kay put a lot of work into, she's not coming who's not coming? whoever is due to come -good evening, hello richard, mm, mm they have turned it down, oh good +good evening, hello richard, mm, mm they have turned it down, oh good our prayers have been answered tell them -mum says our prayers have been answered mm, good yeah, of course, yeah, oh was it? +mum says our prayers have been answered mm, good yeah, of course, yeah, oh was it? oh good, no well, erm, i bet you were too, mm, mm some justice yet that's right, yes, cos she was thinking it was friday, oh, you were there were you? yeah, was there a lot of discussion? -no yeah, yeah oh yeah, very good, oh yeah i'm sure you are, jolly good, mm, yeah, fine and there's some, paul off half term of course, yeah, yeah oh is he oh very good oh of course you're going up to cardiff aren't you? +no yeah, yeah oh yeah, very good, oh yeah i'm sure you are, jolly good, mm, yeah, fine and there's some, paul off half term of course, yeah, yeah oh is he oh very good oh of course you're going up to cardiff aren't you? yeah, oh well i hope helen gets on well, yeah when are they going, tomorrow is that? when are you going, when is it you're going? -wednesday, yeah, oh well have a good journey, mm that's right, yeah, mm, mm, okay love thanks for phoning, bye, bye +wednesday, yeah, oh well have a good journey, mm that's right, yeah, mm, mm, okay love thanks for phoning, bye, bye i was thinking of him today, at this erm planning @@ -1600,9 +1600,9 @@ planning, what did he say? he, it was unanimous turned down turned down he said now of course we have to wait and see whether they go to appeal, as, as of course he said they're entitled to do, but er -she'd say they've just had a restaurant there, that wouldn't be so bad as a take away but getting back to the finances, i mean the two hundred club over the years it has been in operation, i mean with what it gets this, what they get this year, supposing it's not a thousand, supposing eight hundred, it might even be about eight thousand mightn't it? +she'd say they've just had a restaurant there, that wouldn't be so bad as a take away but getting back to the finances, i mean the two hundred club over the years it has been in operation, i mean with what it gets this, what they get this year, supposing it's not a thousand, supposing eight hundred, it might even be about eight thousand mightn't it? it might be eight thousand, yeah -mm and i was just wondering if that is your girl who is due to come at a quarter past six then she erm +mm and i was just wondering if that is your girl who is due to come at a quarter past six then she erm oh yeah and i thought they were going to the meeting er on friday because i knew they were both off mm @@ -1620,7 +1620,7 @@ i don't know, i can't remember could of been mm in exeter last week, took, made me think about him i think -in the fridge oh leave this washing up, come and have your erm, sweet +in the fridge oh leave this washing up, come and have your erm, sweet oh yeah, well this won't take me a second er, well there's hardly that much to do there actually that's right @@ -1629,18 +1629,18 @@ yeah alright? yes, very nice is it alright, you know quite happy with this? -the father came out this morning to say that the hall could, one of the first things father told him was that the hall couldn't be insured, i mean it even staggered erm doris , cos she's not heard of that before, impressed, i don't know what impressed is, but +the father came out this morning to say that the hall could, one of the first things father told him was that the hall couldn't be insured, i mean it even staggered erm doris , cos she's not heard of that before, impressed, i don't know what impressed is, but i understand the go upstairs and get erm you see, you there? -yeah jointly insured for major contingencies and potential legal liabilities, the recent re review however has highlighted that we can only insure our own legal liabilities and that we cannot insure or assume responsibility for your prudential legal liabilities +yeah jointly insured for major contingencies and potential legal liabilities, the recent re review however has highlighted that we can only insure our own legal liabilities and that we cannot insure or assume responsibility for your prudential legal liabilities this is to the rent is? -yeah hall hired from you for a function +yeah hall hired from you for a function injury due to affect the hall itself, e g the floor tile, it is likely that the responsibility for the floor tiling ensuing claim would fall upon us to be dealt with, however you're insured to lack of supervision -public liability insurance but you see we can +public liability insurance but you see we can we insure -only insure our own league and so it, i mean insured for major contingencies and that +only insure our own league and so it, i mean insured for major contingencies and that i mean you showed that to father when it was all, cos wasn't there something no i haven't showed this to er, i haven't showed this to no not to father @@ -1657,19 +1657,19 @@ anyway, i think we'd better say well look yes father we're too old to be is that for birds, that fat? -yes before you throw that water away we need to wash the grill pan now sorry i just +yes before you throw that water away we need to wash the grill pan now sorry i just ha, see anything else pardon? apart from anything else we might not be allowed to do anything like cooking or having sort of things to sell like that in the hall yeah -i mean it is, it is ridiculous because we've had that november party down there, and if it does need a bit of planning, you just put the heat on a bit early anyway +i mean it is, it is ridiculous because we've had that november party down there, and if it does need a bit of planning, you just put the heat on a bit early anyway well i can't be bothered any more -no, i think you just wash your hands, that's it, cos we've done long enough and i mean from say the sunday thing, i mean we've never ever thought of the sunday making thing, being a profit making thing have we? +no, i think you just wash your hands, that's it, cos we've done long enough and i mean from say the sunday thing, i mean we've never ever thought of the sunday making thing, being a profit making thing have we? no that was always right from the beginning that's right -it was always sort of for social thing and pe people couldn't pay well that was alright, they didn't pay as you say, we've done our whack really +it was always sort of for social thing and pe people couldn't pay well that was alright, they didn't pay as you say, we've done our whack really too true we have by the way is there anything we need to record, something no is, i mean i have to be out by half past seven, actually, something on half past seven on, you know, on the other programme that'll be worth recording i think, something about @@ -1677,12 +1677,12 @@ there is a ski safety in america yeah that's right, mm, that's erm what's his name, isn't it? john stapleton -yeah so we'll certainly record that +yeah so we'll certainly record that but is there not something on at seven? no i don't think so, not today on i t v, i make, i make the erm soup sort of peppery have some right -high wycombe please, john seventy and that could well be, my mad, bad numbers , thank you very much, thank you, bye +high wycombe please, john seventy and that could well be, my mad, bad numbers , thank you very much, thank you, bye hello there you are how are you today? thank you very much @@ -1692,7 +1692,7 @@ a bit thick isn't it? isn't it just? yeah, okay oh you're coming down -it's got one of those letters father gave you, father michael gave you +it's got one of those letters father gave you, father michael gave you yeah erm on the way it might be an idea to take it down with you well if i see him @@ -1703,7 +1703,7 @@ you know and father's given you this mm to give to any of our yep -erm well i was gonna come down as you know and sort of do something about the loos, but +erm well i was gonna come down as you know and sort of do something about the loos, but oh no what, what i wondered was if you can take some bleach down, i think there's probably some down in the loo downstairs, and at least put some of that into, can you do that? yeah i can do that @@ -1723,7 +1723,7 @@ yeah i'll go in to them you know and if there is a form to fill in or whatever yeah you see cos you've got to get it filled in, in this financial year -right, okay, well i'll go into the tax office then no i cannot see any bleach down there +right, okay, well i'll go into the tax office then no i cannot see any bleach down there isn't there some in the nothing in the loo well do you think you could pop upstairs and look and see if i've got by any chance have @@ -1747,8 +1747,8 @@ there's this, what you see here is actually for your jumble is it? yeah right, okay that's fine -that one was intended to go i expect yes that one was intended to go -yes erm is this rubbish here? +that one was intended to go i expect yes that one was intended to go +yes erm is this rubbish here? oh this is er, not that cos i mean we might we could of done with a plastic bag under it @@ -1756,7 +1756,7 @@ well we might be able to put some in a wheelie bin oh yeah, that's right, yes but shall we get, shall we let's get, get on with these -yes oh well +yes oh well what? old semaphore flag eh? well they're meant @@ -1806,7 +1806,7 @@ yeah tell you what, this is a bit of exercise this innit? yeah , well they say every step you go up adds a second to your life yeah -yeah me too erm er this is, is a lot of school stuff in here, powder paints and paint, i'm just wondering whether being a school might like it, oh i don't know it's empty, that's empty, that's empty, that's empty, no +yeah me too erm er this is, is a lot of school stuff in here, powder paints and paint, i'm just wondering whether being a school might like it, oh i don't know it's empty, that's empty, that's empty, that's empty, no ah, put it all in with, what's that er yeah put a @@ -1821,7 +1821,7 @@ wait a minute you get down a bit lower and i'll drop it down to you wait a minute, see if i can just you be careful -whoops that's right +whoops that's right yeah, erm, i don't quite know what to do about this, this is, i've taken some stuff out, if i can slide it down the yeah if you, if i hold this at least until you get a bit down @@ -1837,7 +1837,7 @@ alright, i'm there mind the plastic because it might split that's right, there now there's some of these, i'll just drop them down onto these erm, so i'll drop it down onto that -wait a minute let's yeah +wait a minute let's yeah you know it's wicked isn't it really, cos some of this stuff, i mean this is not at all bad is it? no, got it can you manage? @@ -1854,7 +1854,7 @@ i think that's the lot good, ha, i was, i was gonna say leave you to it yeah just as well i think -actually in honesty they have taken quite a bit out of there, cos there was an awful lot of stuff in there, you could hardly get in at one stage now what are you gonna do with these bike things, are you gonna chuck them? +actually in honesty they have taken quite a bit out of there, cos there was an awful lot of stuff in there, you could hardly get in at one stage now what are you gonna do with these bike things, are you gonna chuck them? oh yeah i think so, i don't think that i can make anything of it, i'll take that box to school because they might be doing a might be able to rescue that lot yeah @@ -1874,13 +1874,13 @@ er yeah i'll be here is that all rubbish in there? all rubbish, yeah right -and i think, i think in there er i don't think we're gonna get anything else in there -no i don't think we are, well i can, i can get this erm right, well i can take that in +and i think, i think in there er i don't think we're gonna get anything else in there +no i don't think we are, well i can, i can get this erm right, well i can take that in er i'll take that one with me this is rubbish? yeah that's rubbish right, okay, give me a hand with this -this as well, right didn't take long to get down the tip? +this as well, right didn't take long to get down the tip? no what a lot of stuff they've got down there, i can't understand why people threw it away i know @@ -1889,10 +1889,10 @@ i know it's, it's fantastic isn't it? before the war people would of screamed out for that well i mean people say, you know, there's, there's so many poor people about, but there's no, there's not the poverty there was oh -right, that's it, that'll do, i won't go any further and i can get the other things in well we had er, we had an aluminium friend, a double glazed enormous window over our landing and it was, the aluminium was so cold and it was conden there was so much condensation that we had a new window p v c put in, but i tried to sell this other window, cos it was beautiful you see, nothing wrong with it except you know, but nobody wanted it and i kept it and i had it for about two years standing outside and then i thought i can use that and i cut, it was a three section, three lots of glass all in one, cut down, divide it into two and one, and got myself a plant house under the erm +right, that's it, that'll do, i won't go any further and i can get the other things in well we had er, we had an aluminium friend, a double glazed enormous window over our landing and it was, the aluminium was so cold and it was conden there was so much condensation that we had a new window p v c put in, but i tried to sell this other window, cos it was beautiful you see, nothing wrong with it except you know, but nobody wanted it and i kept it and i had it for about two years standing outside and then i thought i can use that and i cut, it was a three section, three lots of glass all in one, cut down, divide it into two and one, and got myself a plant house under the erm yeah under my verandah -yeah, yeah er right i think we've finished +yeah, yeah er right i think we've finished have you got to go to the tip? that's it yes @@ -1903,53 +1903,53 @@ alright? yeah, erm okay well i'll go, i shall be coming back here actually, but er, i'll take this lot i think now anyway, well no i won't i'll do what i've got to do here now and then i'll, i'll go afterwards i shan't be long, i'll only be about ten minutes okay, fine -er those snowdrops are really quite something. +er those snowdrops are really quite something. a beautiful bank full of them. -and you see they say that erm snowdrops really want the best way to sort of erm increase them is just sort of +and you see they say that erm snowdrops really want the best way to sort of erm increase them is just sort of pick out a lot of those and then put them in another part of the garden. yes yeah. -they, they're two ninety? -mm yeah -should be nice fuchsia there fuchsias. +they, they're two ninety? +mm yeah +should be nice fuchsia there fuchsias. forty nine pence each or four fifty for ten. oh yes. it was three fifty for ten. mm someone's scarf? -yes mm child's by the size of it. +yes mm child's by the size of it. thank you very much. that's the second person that's c said that in the last three days would you believe ? -yeah now what was that that went behind us? +yeah now what was that that went behind us? i thought it was a little er blackbird. oh was it? mm. i w i would have said it was an animal, you know? didn't, didn't fi -oh yes erm -you wear it +oh yes erm +you wear it right you're oh isn't it nice? skiing. -oh yeah +oh yeah right let me get my broth back. -oh oh we'll go back home if that's alright. +oh oh we'll go back home if that's alright. unless you want to go somewhere else. -no i, i was just sort of erm a wondering and b wondering whether to go back a different way round and -well it's up to you cos i'm quite happy to go have that little walk, i wanted a little walk. +no i, i was just sort of erm a wondering and b wondering whether to go back a different way round and +well it's up to you cos i'm quite happy to go have that little walk, i wanted a little walk. but that's enough? -oh no no no, i mean i'm alright if i sort of get on a a straight because oh these that are coming out +oh no no no, i mean i'm alright if i sort of get on a a straight because oh these that are coming out mm -that is out. +that is out. no i'm alright as it happens, so that's okay. -it's still okay left if you want to nip over oh back this way. +it's still okay left if you want to nip over oh back this way. mm -did you hear christopher saying that he was going to be getting erm a new cavalier? +did you hear christopher saying that he was going to be getting erm a new cavalier? yeah. having, having booked it that morning -that's right, it was twenty pounds cheaper +that's right, it was twenty pounds cheaper was it now? -was he +was he no it was twenty pounds a month less. twenty pounds a month less was it? mm. @@ -1966,9 +1966,9 @@ that's one of those erm handicapped is it? . david could have gone to it. -remember your mother taking david up to birmingham way where they had erm big new +remember your mother taking david up to birmingham way where they had erm big new oh i thought it was me making all that noise. -i was breathing and i could hear sort of i was thinking first of all it was coming from, you know somewhere outside like somebody +i was breathing and i could hear sort of i was thinking first of all it was coming from, you know somewhere outside like somebody sawing a tree or something. widening the road here or something. yes, just widening it and straightening out some of the bends. @@ -1976,29 +1976,29 @@ cos that was a bend there wasn't it, obviously. mm. gosh the valley goes really far down there. yeah it is deep down isn't it? -one or two houses, you know, when i caught sight of it first i don't see them now. +one or two houses, you know, when i caught sight of it first i don't see them now. he must have been fishing. looks like it doesn't it? he's got a big keeper net there. was the disabled toilet alright? -yeah +yeah nice little waterfall things. yes, a weir. -it's good to have those on the ground, you know, for people who are gosh who are you know incapacitated. -but sometimes people think well they're only for disabled but i don't believe that's so +it's good to have those on the ground, you know, for people who are gosh who are you know incapacitated. +but sometimes people think well they're only for disabled but i don't believe that's so no i don't think it is either. -because i think to myself well you know if there are no disabled people about, and more often than not there are not why shouldn't anybody use them? +because i think to myself well you know if there are no disabled people about, and more often than not there are not why shouldn't anybody use them? that's it. yeah we're going past. mm -big erm tree +big erm tree tree that's making it fall down yeah. -the thing is beginning to look you know light comes +the thing is beginning to look you know light comes they're gonna get, yes through it. that's right. -had to take a sort of erm south to erm not just thought of both the names and the other one but they would be nearer to exeter but it wouldn't be sort of in exeter itself i was thinking, you know, probably get erm you know, see if there's any new houses being built there and what sort of price and what have you. +had to take a sort of erm south to erm not just thought of both the names and the other one but they would be nearer to exeter but it wouldn't be sort of in exeter itself i was thinking, you know, probably get erm you know, see if there's any new houses being built there and what sort of price and what have you. yeah. i'm not quite sure where you mean. well it's sort of on its way to exeter. @@ -2009,49 +2009,49 @@ no we haven't. i could certainly do with a drink. could you? mm. -well i suppose it's not far to go home for a well it'd be nice if we saw somewhere that was nice. +well i suppose it's not far to go home for a well it'd be nice if we saw somewhere that was nice. or do you know somewhere? no i don't know anywhere, no. -the the olde lion, don't think we'll go there. +the the olde lion, don't think we'll go there. open for lunch and dinner. the coach the coach house -house funnily enough i was going to say to you when we were out at erm dartington instead of buying that ice cream, we should of had a cup of tea probably would of been about the same price, and so +house funnily enough i was going to say to you when we were out at erm dartington instead of buying that ice cream, we should of had a cup of tea probably would of been about the same price, and so yeah. probably the tea would of been better for us. small development, that must, that must be down there somewhere. but you see practically anywhere here would be within christopher's yeah -erm you know, distance into exeter. -i mean he was saying that er erm what do you call him? -yeah he lives in erm in, in +erm you know, distance into exeter. +i mean he was saying that er erm what do you call him? +yeah he lives in erm in, in no it's warehouse units going up there, i thought it was gonna be housing, more houses. oh there i there is new housing, you know, there's more mm. development er back there, that's what made me think of it. -they wouldn't want to be near warehousing units of course but erm there's a lot of new building going on and with so much competition thinking of imelda for a job, i mean there's, there's loads of places here as well for her exeter hospital you know the torbay. -somebody mind you was on about torbay this morning on the radio i think it was saying that there were so many complaints and nurses are under such great stress. -and i was very naughty i, i felt like saying well some of their, they, them aren't er do you remember the very last time we were up in the hospital at the waiting area, there was those two nurses that walked up and down +they wouldn't want to be near warehousing units of course but erm there's a lot of new building going on and with so much competition thinking of imelda for a job, i mean there's, there's loads of places here as well for her exeter hospital you know the torbay. +somebody mind you was on about torbay this morning on the radio i think it was saying that there were so many complaints and nurses are under such great stress. +and i was very naughty i, i felt like saying well some of their, they, them aren't er do you remember the very last time we were up in the hospital at the waiting area, there was those two nurses that walked up and down mm mm about five times doing nothing. that's right. so really and truly i mean it's not all nurses that are so stressed. -i'm sure there are some who are you know, are in a bad way and they're having to do other things that they shouldn't be doing. +i'm sure there are some who are you know, are in a bad way and they're having to do other things that they shouldn't be doing. but this is the trouble with everybody these days isn't it? yeah. -everybody just wants to do what they should be doing whereas with my job it never even thought about it did we? +everybody just wants to do what they should be doing whereas with my job it never even thought about it did we? no, no. -tell you what erm when we get into you can just drop me down to the greengrocer near the church because i'm out of erm spring onions and if i wanted to add up to that bit of salad that we've got +tell you what erm when we get into you can just drop me down to the greengrocer near the church because i'm out of erm spring onions and if i wanted to add up to that bit of salad that we've got right. tonight, if you're gonna have that, oh i can have a bit some other night then mhm -but this week is the last that we can go to the erm beefeater and get that +but this week is the last that we can go to the erm beefeater and get that oh ha have you got that voucher still? yeah oh. off the cost of a meal. and then you get half of a bottle of wine as well or something. -got double lines coming up that's funny stuck there like that +got double lines coming up that's funny stuck there like that well i didn't sort of notice what it was. oh it was just two oh i see, well some signpost, yeah @@ -2066,7 +2066,7 @@ he's going to tr she, he or she is going to try and go now. he was far too close to it and he didn't see what was happening you see. the other car did. he is telling it to go now look, you see he's put on his lights. -yeah wonder why the police car put its lights on at that moment. +yeah wonder why the police car put its lights on at that moment. i don't know but erm oh you were quite legit oh i was legit, yes, nothing wrong with me. @@ -2078,38 +2078,38 @@ no. but i think the, the tractor driver put on his lights yeah to say it was clear. -i was thinking when daniel was down here that erm paul you know and all his girlfriends, various girlfriends, for a long time now and i said something to daniel well you know are you sort of courting yet? +i was thinking when daniel was down here that erm paul you know and all his girlfriends, various girlfriends, for a long time now and i said something to daniel well you know are you sort of courting yet? no no, he says no, no no. and i don't think tim is very interested. i think there's many more women driving now aren't there? if you look. yeah. -going round anyway so she's going round as well -well i think i'll go round actually cos they're queuing up,we want to go to the grocers so er if we go up the avenue we shall just come past the front of it. +going round anyway so she's going round as well +well i think i'll go round actually cos they're queuing up,we want to go to the grocers so er if we go up the avenue we shall just come past the front of it. colin something or other? i forgot in that second what it was -yeah always happens to me. +yeah always happens to me. it was colin somebody. it is well worth going down yeah. -i should think in this day and age they could +i should think in this day and age they could now there look at that lot as well. i mean it's amazing isn't it? all on to one post. yeah. -i think this building is dreadful for the poor people living in those houses just behind it. +i think this building is dreadful for the poor people living in those houses just behind it. mm. oh but this is the erm council office as well isn't it? well there's in gonna be income tax isn't there amongst other things. their light and their view and everything, i think it's dreadful. and it would, i mean they, they wouldn't of even had expensive houses anyway but they must have taken their value away tremendously. -at the back of the houses there but erm there's that and then there's the new doctor's surgery. +at the back of the houses there but erm there's that and then there's the new doctor's surgery. mm. that's been pulled to bits in the erm press. yeah. i've not seen a lot of it actually, so far. -i mean i must say it looks a bit bitty but erm er now you see up there they've got the same, similar sort of style really to those houses. +i mean i must say it looks a bit bitty but erm er now you see up there they've got the same, similar sort of style really to those houses. did you ever get in touch with the erm no i didn't, no. it's not a t s @@ -2117,7 +2117,7 @@ er well i mean i want to find from a t s or someone like that how much their car well what was the one that erm maurice gave you? it wasn't a t s was it? no. -that was, no that was that was byrite and that, but i w i would go there but i'd like to go there with some idea what the price elsewhere is. +that was, no that was that was byrite and that, but i w i would go there but i'd like to go there with some idea what the price elsewhere is. yeah. oh. round the corner. @@ -2125,23 +2125,23 @@ you'll be in the car. right, if i'm not there i will come round the block. he was looking at you. he's listening you see. -go on, have a drink something. +go on, have a drink something. oh those daffodils are really coming out now aren't they? aren't they lovely? yes. oh one's gone right up to the top of the the other one's staying on the ground. well i mean we've still got two bottles there. -even so i mean we might not be so lucky. +even so i mean we might not be so lucky. yes, it'll be nice to have a cup of tea. shall i carry it through? please. now is there going to be enough there, salad- wise? -i mean are you going to +i mean are you going to oh i would think so yes. -cos i got that other meat, the red meat to do for a supper but i can do that for tomorrow +cos i got that other meat, the red meat to do for a supper but i can do that for tomorrow well that's fine isn't it? -does she +does she oh you've taken the bread out have you? oh these bits? yeah i was just gonna have that @@ -2160,11 +2160,11 @@ the older brother had said, i, i can't really remember what it no. was. and presumably he would swim, but you don't know that, i just, it hasn't come out has it? -the child is still very seriously ill in the hospital . -it could be i have to put in my erm investment +the child is still very seriously ill in the hospital . +it could be i have to put in my erm investment income. interest as well. -but that is paid gross, that is paid, they don't deduct there isn't any tax deducted for that. +but that is paid gross, that is paid, they don't deduct there isn't any tax deducted for that. oh that's right, that's right. but you have to put that and put your erm you've got to show all your income in other words. @@ -2182,13 +2182,13 @@ i think you did this year, but i di i don't remember seeing those standing up as they're really quite pretty. so it's starting. what are you, what are you going to for ? -well just to get some of that erm +well just to get some of that erm soup mix or something or other. soup mix, yes. -i mean i know it's stupid er i just wanted to and there's no hurry at all for it and if you'd rather go somewhere else now +i mean i know it's stupid er i just wanted to and there's no hurry at all for it and if you'd rather go somewhere else now no it's alright, no we can go there. let's go there another time, i don't mind. -we'll wander round, i mean let's to know that we can sort of just have a little walk as it were. +we'll wander round, i mean let's to know that we can sort of just have a little walk as it were. yes erm i'm trying to think where there might be oh they've got names on those gates now, did you notice that? hillside? @@ -2196,16 +2196,16 @@ er here you mean? no on erm oh! the, what do you call them's? -the 's. -oh the 's, yes i think i have se noticed them, yes. +the 's. +oh the 's, yes i think i have se noticed them, yes. the cottage is on one side and something on the other. -and it's something on a big gate. +and it's something on a big gate. this can be our half term treat. right. -where did richard say was yesterday? +where did richard say was yesterday? you said something or other to him yes, i can't remember now. -helen's is she? +helen's is she? cos they don't have half terms do they? i think they do actually. oh do they? @@ -2213,37 +2213,37 @@ yeah. there you are, dog warden. dog warden yes, mm. mm. -now i filed my nail this morning cos it was catching, i didn't file it long enough obviously, but i filed it with that erm you know you opened up the +now i filed my nail this morning cos it was catching, i didn't file it long enough obviously, but i filed it with that erm you know you opened up the oh yes, yeah. -and left the f the file on the windowsill i hope he pulls in and lets people go past. +and left the f the file on the windowsill i hope he pulls in and lets people go past. oh he's going left. he's going l left here. going into the cemetery. trouble is, person in front's got a trailer as well. oh yes, mm. -oh he's going right right into there. +oh he's going right right into there. oh this one's going right as well, oh, very good. what were we talking about? i don't know . -i was talking about something, i don't know mentioned about paul and then i'd said about helen +i was talking about something, i don't know mentioned about paul and then i'd said about helen helen, yeah. -anyway erm richard was feeling quite relieved about the +anyway erm richard was feeling quite relieved about the i think so, yes the planning about the permission being turned down, yeah. -no i don't blame him, i mean +no i don't blame him, i mean no i don't. lot of times i've, you know, thinking sort of is sh i mean he's got a nice house there, he doesn't want it erm that's right. spoiled. -the trouble is i mean if, if it did, it came up and he wanted to sell it would of it would obviously decrease the value. +the trouble is i mean if, if it did, it came up and he wanted to sell it would of it would obviously decrease the value. yeah, that was what he was thinking of. -you'd get all the rubbish from a take-away as well blowing into his garden, i mean it wouldn't have been very pleasant. -much he reckons his house is worth now. -but i suppose in a way they would have then been contemplating selling their own house and getting somewhere else before in fact +you'd get all the rubbish from a take-away as well blowing into his garden, i mean it wouldn't have been very pleasant. +much he reckons his house is worth now. +but i suppose in a way they would have then been contemplating selling their own house and getting somewhere else before in fact yeah. -it's a shame because i mean it i think what they've got is really you know, er er er they'd be hard put to it to get anything as good really at the price i think. +it's a shame because i mean it i think what they've got is really you know, er er er they'd be hard put to it to get anything as good really at the price i think. mind you they'd probably get a hundred thousand for theirs i should think now. yes i think, that's what i was thinking of. do you remember when we used to come out here for the primroses? @@ -2251,13 +2251,13 @@ that's a long time ago isn't it? did we come out this far then? well used to come out to totnes didn't we? by -oh yes +oh yes oh the sun's trying to come through now. yes. -said there might be this afternoon. +said there might be this afternoon. i haven't seen any primroses sort of like in the hedges yet no. -but erm yes the garden's alright but then they've been there in the garden all the winter as well +but erm yes the garden's alright but then they've been there in the garden all the winter as well yes that's right. there's a lot of sheep there. look! @@ -2279,18 +2279,18 @@ possibility of a new job and i didn't mention it to her. no well i, i'm n i got the feeling bob said it wasn't i, i'm not absolutely sure from what bob said whether she even knows about it. -i think i don't know, i may be wrong there but erm -we ought to go down and investigate the erm the you know. +i think i don't know, i may be wrong there but erm +we ought to go down and investigate the erm the you know. mm. -i know people say well oh it's, of course it's changed ownership, well things change ownership and it can be for the better as well for the worst can't it? -the sit down snack bar +i know people say well oh it's, of course it's changed ownership, well things change ownership and it can be for the better as well for the worst can't it? +the sit down snack bar yeah or something. -didn't get to read +didn't get to read no i didn't get to read it either. something on the right i think it was. bed and breakfast there, whatever that is. -think that er sounded like a snack bar that might be on a +think that er sounded like a snack bar that might be on a mm. lay-by or something. must be here look. @@ -2300,22 +2300,22 @@ gosh, suddenly a lot of traffic. that's the first we've erm mm. mm. -perhaps it's market day at totnes? -it's funny er when richard came in the other day and said he'd been he'd been to the dentist and you said oh well they haven't been in touch with us yet. +perhaps it's market day at totnes? +it's funny er when richard came in the other day and said he'd been he'd been to the dentist and you said oh well they haven't been in touch with us yet. yes isn't it?we ever meet this lady. -it was funny to hear miss and not harold . +it was funny to hear miss and not harold . oh is that her name? mm yeah. -you can walk along the river can't you erm that's at dartington isn't it? +you can walk along the river can't you erm that's at dartington isn't it? erm -and that's where you can walk along and you, you know, er when there are salmon leaping -oh it's only the road, i don't think there's a, i don't think there's a walk along there not here. -i thought there was somewhere. -they've got that erm got that big sculpture somewhere about there. +and that's where you can walk along and you, you know, er when there are salmon leaping +oh it's only the road, i don't think there's a, i don't think there's a walk along there not here. +i thought there was somewhere. +they've got that erm got that big sculpture somewhere about there. somewhere near the college i think. -well i mean we can we're er i'll,w we'll +well i mean we can we're er i'll,w we'll i just can't remember. -i'll go to dartington via that back road cos you can go that way turn off up here and see. +i'll go to dartington via that back road cos you can go that way turn off up here and see. was it through the grounds of the yeah college @@ -2326,8 +2326,8 @@ are there lights? yeah. side and dart side. i can't really remember where it was exactly. -we did walk somewhere one time and erm very very nice the it must have been the time when the salmon were riverside walk. -oh yes yes. +we did walk somewhere one time and erm very very nice the it must have been the time when the salmon were riverside walk. +oh yes yes. well we've never been along that, actually. still got a lot of erm yeah, making ponds and things by the looks of things. @@ -2340,26 +2340,26 @@ somewhere er when christopher was with us. you see that's no, oh no parking in this area. erm well it doesn't matter really, it was just that i sort of -it looks as if there is a walk down there but we've never been on it but tell you where you may be thinking of, you may be thinking of that walk that goes towards the erm adventure park at the other side of buckfastleigh. -no it wasn't, it was in here in the grounds of erm dartington. -we've sat here in the car and watched the erm the birds down there. -i'm wondering whether it was erm one ti er we, we walked up a hill and the the erm sculpture was sort of up on a hill. +it looks as if there is a walk down there but we've never been on it but tell you where you may be thinking of, you may be thinking of that walk that goes towards the erm adventure park at the other side of buckfastleigh. +no it wasn't, it was in here in the grounds of erm dartington. +we've sat here in the car and watched the erm the birds down there. +i'm wondering whether it was erm one ti er we, we walked up a hill and the the erm sculpture was sort of up on a hill. there's a railway line down there you see. yeah. funny isn't it? have to ask christopher if he knows. i can't think of how we got in. -th there's that but that looks fairly +th there's that but that looks fairly that's very new, yes. there's a bridge somewhere, do you know a bridge anywhere here? funny isn't it? yeah it is funny. -i, i have got a sort of vague feeling that maybe it wasn't with you we walked along it, maybe it was christopher and amanda. -this is all the college buildings isn't it? +i, i have got a sort of vague feeling that maybe it wasn't with you we walked along it, maybe it was christopher and amanda. +this is all the college buildings isn't it? there's park road there, now i've never been down there well i d gallery and -now i've just seen traffic a long way down here, leading to ella park and warren lane, now i, i've never been along here and i don't know but i c coming up the road i saw cars down here +now i've just seen traffic a long way down here, leading to ella park and warren lane, now i, i've never been along here and i don't know but i c coming up the road i saw cars down here car park for residents only. and that's no through road there, obviously. well there's no point in going through here then like that. @@ -2373,13 +2373,13 @@ yeah. oh well here's the college that i saw mm. art and design, up there somewhere, yeah. -office department of art and design. +office department of art and design. cos sue might well be coming there. oh i should think it's more than likely. cottages. all these sleeping policemen they've got. mm. -i suppose with all the students wandering about pedestrians yes i wonder where that was cos i'm sure there was a henry moore sculpture. +i suppose with all the students wandering about pedestrians yes i wonder where that was cos i'm sure there was a henry moore sculpture. oh there's a henry moore sculpture in the grounds yeah dartington. @@ -2391,38 +2391,38 @@ no we sort of no. we walked up mm. -to the like a field but we were near to the river when we saw the erm +to the like a field but we were near to the river when we saw the erm yeah. salmon. -now can i get to the no i can't get to it there, through there can i? +now can i get to the no i can't get to it there, through there can i? no. oh so you knew about the henry moore statue there? -well i then remembered that we'd seen it and it's in the grounds. +well i then remembered that we'd seen it and it's in the grounds. yeah well er you see this was in the grounds at dartington mm. mm. as i said. -but it's that side away from the river, you know, i i can't link it with the river. +but it's that side away from the river, you know, i i can't link it with the river. well y we walked yeah. -like er it would be a sort of +like er it would be a sort of mm. hill like that, a grassy place. -suppose they've still got quite a bit of own a lot of put plants up there and there. +suppose they've still got quite a bit of own a lot of put plants up there and there. 's quality meat, my goodness they're still going strong. gosh, lot of cars parked here for dartington. daffodils out yet. on the left oh yes. -there or here. +there or here. well there's one, two further along actually, so bet there are plenty up there. -well there's certainly one there and one there and one there depends on which way they like to get in like to get in that door +well there's certainly one there and one there and one there depends on which way they like to get in like to get in that door excuse me, do you know if this is the only entrance into this place cos we left our car in a car park and we there are three car parks ah -there's one there that's the first level there's this one and there's a third one up there. -and that's all, there's nothing +there's one there that's the first level there's this one and there's a third one up there. +and that's all, there's nothing no there's nothing down that way as far as i know. okay, it must be one of these then. okay @@ -2440,13 +2440,13 @@ okay, thanks very much for your help. alright? it is a bit awkward isn't it? oh when you've lost your car park. -see if they can't find it +see if they can't find it yeah well they don't think it was they don't think it was the first one, no. no mm now now where was that shop? well is it here? -oh yeah it's food you want isn't it? +oh yeah it's food you want isn't it? so it's up here further. yeah. now what's in here? @@ -2479,17 +2479,17 @@ is that what you wanted? think so. it's dear. what? -homemade orange ground rice cake two pounds twenty. +homemade orange ground rice cake two pounds twenty. mm. so how much would your sponge make? sixteen pence? yeah. dear. -homemade chocolate victoria sandwich two pound twenty. +homemade chocolate victoria sandwich two pound twenty. yeah. marmalade buns they look quite nice, how much are they? -well i don't know, is that i don't think that's thirty eight is it? +well i don't know, is that i don't think that's thirty eight is it? probably thirty eight pence each i should think. mm well i know, well that's twenty three @@ -2497,7 +2497,7 @@ pigeon and bacon pies. meat on there. doubt it do you? i shouldn't think so. -minced beef and four times this year. +minced beef and four times this year. oh yeah. what would you like? wha what variety do you want? @@ -2511,13 +2511,13 @@ oh! is very unpleasant. yes, well it might be . are they? -erm . +erm . it's very soft that one, you'll find. thank you. i'll have a maple and walnut please? they seem to be the favourites don't they? the -they have been over the past few days erm usually it was chocolate and apricot. +they have been over the past few days erm usually it was chocolate and apricot. so flavours do change. yeah. flavour of the month. @@ -2527,15 +2527,15 @@ thank you. thank you. oh! mine's lovely! -i could have a lick of yours though couldn't i? +i could have a lick of yours though couldn't i? three sixty change. thanks very much! thank you. okay love? -well, i've got a now! +well, i've got a now! well that's, that's what i meant if we were make them that's the, that's why. -plenty of at home. +plenty of at home. i was going out the other way ! is that the one you're gonna do? yeah. @@ -2558,15 +2558,15 @@ mm? quite a lot of people. there are a lot of people here! oh that's . -difficult to tell isn't it ? +difficult to tell isn't it ? mm? difficult to tell! oh it's very , some places are so noisy! -some old dears coming out bleeding apathy! +some old dears coming out bleeding apathy! ooh i know! what's yours like? very nice! -they got a fire burning there or something, look! +they got a fire burning there or something, look! yeah. it is isn't it? probably in the restaurant. @@ -2582,9 +2582,9 @@ it says maggi for men. maggi for men! oh! phoned up . -i'm not sure if that is this. +i'm not sure if that is this. yeah, i think it is by the looks of things. -oh, i'll ta i'll take mine through cos they'll surely stuff +oh, i'll ta i'll take mine through cos they'll surely stuff yes it is, yeah. around there, no? well, that's it anyhow. @@ -2595,7 +2595,7 @@ do you both want well one? that's alright, no. -you see how they the cucumbers over there. +you see how they the cucumbers over there. no. have half a dozen of those floating around in the garden. sorry? @@ -2608,8 +2608,8 @@ yes! well! have some stuff. well do you want to go into the fashion shop? -i wouldn't buy the stuff in in here whilst . -you know for a christmas decoration. +i wouldn't buy the stuff in in here whilst . +you know for a christmas decoration. they always get chopped down. oh i don't think you can walk here! we'll have to . @@ -2617,9 +2617,9 @@ yes. yes. you can go upstairs in here. probably, yes. -say, the toilets +say, the toilets yeah. -it's +it's sorry! sorry! i know you're not allowed. @@ -2632,11 +2632,11 @@ mm. i noticed the green as we crossed mm. up there. -oh just look at the honeysuckle . +oh just look at the honeysuckle . yes! i think that's good, cos we've got that. is it? -you go there and have a look at and snowdrops in it as well! +you go there and have a look at and snowdrops in it as well! oh yes! there a lot more over there look! oh yes! @@ -2645,15 +2645,15 @@ beautiful! ever so many here as well mm. just coming out. -you really crossing roads. +you really crossing roads. i'll have a go. what do you say? -the fish thing. +the fish thing. oh yes, there's a lot there look! yeah. here it comes. okay. -shall we just look in here and then we'll have for lunch? +shall we just look in here and then we'll have for lunch? yeah. what's the time? time? @@ -2675,12 +2675,12 @@ mm. isn't it? yeah. yo when will you be able to see them better ! -that's four ninety five for that . +that's four ninety five for that . mm. suppose an unusual yeah. well -that's a sort of erm water based isn't it? +that's a sort of erm water based isn't it? yes! mm! no. @@ -2696,12 +2696,12 @@ although you can still see through it. yeah. probably just the bottom that's dirty. and you can -they're going to the i gather. +they're going to the i gather. obviously! mm mm ! -they've got a there as well. +they've got a there as well. mm. -there's lots of these old sort of posts along here with these holes in them. +there's lots of these old sort of posts along here with these holes in them. yeah. almost looks as if they're gates or something . yes. @@ -2716,7 +2716,7 @@ mm. it's only because of i know. perfect gentleman! thank you. -see look at all those cross pieces, they look as they've been there for some purpose, you know? +see look at all those cross pieces, they look as they've been there for some purpose, you know? i mean these haven't just been put here, they've been there for a long time! yes. see look! @@ -2724,35 +2724,35 @@ you see there's original cross piece whatever it was! you know, they're obviously cutting paths through oh yes! there. -or the erm few blocks over there look! +or the erm few blocks over there look! mm. then go right at the back again do you reckon? i don't know. -i don't know that's a sort of a proper path there. -er well if it wa if it was it would be very convenient cos it would probably come out on the car park but er -that's the you say? +i don't know that's a sort of a proper path there. +er well if it wa if it was it would be very convenient cos it would probably come out on the car park but er +that's the you say? yeah. well we could try there. well! there's another one along here, look there! yeah. -look at all the erm cars going up to those houses up there look! +look at all the erm cars going up to those houses up there look! yeah. gosh yes! -well do you want to walk back along here and see whether or do you want to walk a little further along here? +well do you want to walk back along here and see whether or do you want to walk a little further along here? well i don't mind just a little bit. -well we could always sit on the seat when we come back. +well we could always sit on the seat when we come back. if i'm mhm. exhausted. -we'll probably get and having to walk along. -well perhaps we better not go down cos we shall have to +we'll probably get and having to walk along. +well perhaps we better not go down cos we shall have to oh come up again shan't we? okay yes. that's right ! right, well we'll go back. -we can't walk +we can't walk well we could go , go along there, i dunno, go along here and see whether it comes out. no i don't think so. no. @@ -2761,9 +2761,9 @@ dad! that's right here. look! you have to wait here. -up to the and across there. +up to the and across there. what? -up here towards dad. +up here towards dad. alright. there we are! oh! @@ -2784,7 +2784,7 @@ there's a bunch of daffodils up there actually in the, yeah. oh yeah! whe what, where you was whe , that's where i was, yeah. -thinks what were these do you know? +thinks what were these do you know? they were leet hangers. they used to carry leets . oh did they? @@ -2796,25 +2796,25 @@ yes. yes , they seem just about level that's right. yeah. -for the the mill. +for the the mill. down to the mill of course. yeah. yes. oh thanks. -more flour and +more flour and that's right, yes. free, free flour. ha. yes, it's amazing isn't it? yeah. wha -and he said leets what you're hanging something on them? +and he said leets what you're hanging something on them? no , if he er, it'd be a, a wooden trough with water. oh! it'd be a leet and it carried the water. oh i see, yes! you see? -erm, in fact further down there you've got the leet on the ground going down to where the waterwheel is. +erm, in fact further down there you've got the leet on the ground going down to where the waterwheel is. oh i see, yes. mhm. and er , but this must have been a leet that came haf , from higher you see? @@ -2840,7 +2840,7 @@ thank you. bye bye then! thank you! hello. -have you any erm stamps? +have you any erm stamps? first class or second class sir? second class. yes. @@ -2865,7 +2865,7 @@ fifty, five eights are forty, ninety pence. good job i learnt my tables when i was at school! there's a lot that don't do it these days! well my son does. -they're very hard at his school, we've always done them! +they're very hard at his school, we've always done them! it's very important! it's ever so important! but, from an early age because without @@ -2877,7 +2877,7 @@ that's right. you know, and i mean where he used to go to school they didn't teach them them till they were ten! what the hell of a use is that! no good at all! -so i mean he is very, very good at his tables and we bought one of those early learning tapes when he was quite young that you sing +so i mean he is very, very good at his tables and we bought one of those early learning tapes when he was quite young that you sing yeah. to. mm. @@ -2885,7 +2885,7 @@ and i always learnt mine parrot fashion using that's right. sticks. that's right. -and then we got a table tester to help them refresh their memories, it's like a disc and then you got the slots and then it tells you your eight times and that's good as well but i mean he's got them off by heart which is brilliant! +and then we got a table tester to help them refresh their memories, it's like a disc and then you got the slots and then it tells you your eight times and that's good as well but i mean he's got them off by heart which is brilliant! well it it saves so much time as well you see because and you get on so much quicker with everything! well absolutely! and i mean, fortunately he is very good at his maths and he's quick at his sums and things because he knows his tables. @@ -2894,9 +2894,9 @@ that's right. so much difference! well i've got, i pu put a program on, i've got a computer and i oh yes! -put a program on the computer for maths +put a program on the computer for maths oh right! -and it's er it's erm it's a table program amongst others, adding +and it's er it's erm it's a table program amongst others, adding oh that's good! and subtraction and multiplication. yeah. @@ -2905,18 +2905,18 @@ oh that's good! get the wrong answer yeah. then i it says no that's wrong! -sorry la whatever he name is that +sorry la whatever he name is that what age group is that for then? well this is really for anybody learning the tables. -but, primarily it's it's it's, you know top end of the primary school. +but, primarily it's it's it's, you know top end of the primary school. oh it sounds good! but you co could go on, i mean if you if they don't know it you can still use it when they get to secondary school. what computer is that then? oh it's er, it's erm -b b c or +b b c or it's a tandy actually , it's one i had yeah. -given me about eight +given me about eight right. years ago. so, and it's an old one actually @@ -2928,17 +2928,17 @@ but how old is your he's nearly ten. yeah. nearly ten. -but he has,we we've only got, my husband's got a computer at work, we just got one of the segas, the master systems you know that you you got th the games that you put in those but he wants to get another one next year but that's a good idea something like that! +but he has,we we've only got, my husband's got a computer at work, we just got one of the segas, the master systems you know that you you got th the games that you put in those but he wants to get another one next year but that's a good idea something like that! should be very good for schools i would think, wouldn't it? -well, yes of course, i mean i, the schools have got programs i mean you can, you know they er +well, yes of course, i mean i, the schools have got programs i mean you can, you know they er yeah. yeah. da ta for it. yes. but that's, i think that's a brilliant idea actually! -because where he goes is a smaller school where they go and erm i think something like that is nice for them to actually +because where he goes is a smaller school where they go and erm i think something like that is nice for them to actually where does he go? -he goes to a school in the tene valley, it's a teacher that, he used to go to exeter school and the teacher's opened her own school and, only for lo a small time and then she's opening up actually in exeter but this is an in between and she's a very good teacher! +he goes to a school in the tene valley, it's a teacher that, he used to go to exeter school and the teacher's opened her own school and, only for lo a small time and then she's opening up actually in exeter but this is an in between and she's a very good teacher! that's great, you see! and you see she's bringing him on very well! yeah. @@ -2952,20 +2952,20 @@ half the teachers le left them doing nothing! it's a shame really! yeah! yeah! -but er you know, and it would have been such a waste cos he's bright. +but er you know, and it would have been such a waste cos he's bright. but that he was always naughty! they used to write back and they said he was always being sent out and i said that's because he's bored! -he couldn't be bothered you see. +he couldn't be bothered you see. and how many more children slip through the net that way? that's right. it's very true. an and so we we said right, that's it! -we'll have to get him out and pay for it and it's worked total dividends! -i mean he's very good at maths. +we'll have to get him out and pay for it and it's worked total dividends! +i mean he's very good at maths. they say maths and science are his strength subjects well i'd never have known that if he was still over there! -i was just told he was a a fair average. +i was just told he was a a fair average. you know? -erm can i have sixteen of those there? +erm can i have sixteen of those there? how many darling? sixteen. they're two each, you know that do you? @@ -2975,20 +2975,20 @@ yeah they're two each my love. er, then i'll you can have ten can't you? if you've got twenty. -erm yeah i'll have ten of them then. +erm yeah i'll have ten of them then. cos you got twenty for your crisps then haven't you? yeah. and erm right. yeah are those all one p? -yeah, all those my love are one p. +yeah, all those my love are one p. erm -i'll have erm yeah, ten of those. +i'll have erm yeah, ten of those. er these ones? -yeah i'll have erm twelve of those. -one, two, three, four, five, six ten twelve! +yeah i'll have erm twelve of those. +one, two, three, four, five, six ten twelve! right, so what have we got there? we got thirty two and twenty, should have fifty two? and that's what you got innit? @@ -3002,22 +3002,22 @@ mm? that's my allowance! oh! no i wa i'm i've i -you haven't got a number or something i could always go in and ask his teacher she's never interested in if you've got a a tape or anything. +you haven't got a number or something i could always go in and ask his teacher she's never interested in if you've got a a tape or anything. i mean if you do know sort of yeah! -erm i mean this is only a er this is only a sort of a a wa a program i've built myself +erm i mean this is only a er this is only a sort of a a wa a program i've built myself oh! but i mean, you know, yeah i mean it's erm if you have just, you know, drop it in yeah. -in cos it's always handy to give to her because she's she's looking for you know, i mean, sort of you know different things all the time and she's got various +in cos it's always handy to give to her because she's she's looking for you know, i mean, sort of you know different things all the time and she's got various one of those? twelve ninety five? -teachers that that come and help and erm +teachers that that come and help and erm no not one of them cos they're frozen! they've got one of the teachers from the old school who's very good at maths and erm geography you can have these jelly tots. -and erm games. +and erm games. and erm, she's very good! she's a good all-rounder and she's good! or you could have a milky bar? @@ -3028,10 +3028,10 @@ i mean, i've noticed that just yeah, it's great isn't it? well want some fruit gums? -you know er, i mean we went only about ago. +you know er, i mean we went only about ago. fruit pastilles? thank you my love. -fruit gums as well there. +fruit gums as well there. yes! first or second my love? oh ! @@ -3057,7 +3057,7 @@ okay? thank you very much! hello there! what have you got today? -you've gotta have +you've gotta have day today. five , that's twenty two. here are, twenty two! @@ -3075,15 +3075,15 @@ yeah. very mm. handy to know! -did he need a bit of help with his i mean a lot of them did made them that sort of i just found a lot of was so so behind and so +did he need a bit of help with his i mean a lot of them did made them that sort of i just found a lot of was so so behind and so i it's i , i'm terribly sad that it happens, but it shouldn't happen, you see! -and the thing is i found, also, it was +and the thing is i found, also, it was ge da bo to to what what i found serve this dear lady! what is the , tomorrow will do! -it's the wrong, it's wrong you see it makes no discipline and the staff +it's the wrong, it's wrong you see it makes no discipline and the staff er er just bringing you work then! they should of had . @@ -3108,7 +3108,7 @@ thank you dear. oh well it's nearly pay day we'll see isn't it? thank you love. oh i shan't -somebody didn't even know how many months there were in the year! +somebody didn't even know how many months there were in the year! i know! i can imagine! you know? @@ -3116,12 +3116,12 @@ yeah. and days in the year is, is a i know! is a closed book! -i used to help them there and one of the teachers oh my god! -i used to help with sticking the the er money onto the well this used to take about, you know, an hour all these kids didn't know what two pence was, didn't know what twenty pence was and ten pence and fifty pence and then we, they were in go about groups of seven and we get all this done then it would be assembly, then it'll be games and then that'll be it for the whole morning! +i used to help them there and one of the teachers oh my god! +i used to help with sticking the the er money onto the well this used to take about, you know, an hour all these kids didn't know what two pence was, didn't know what twenty pence was and ten pence and fifty pence and then we, they were in go about groups of seven and we get all this done then it would be assembly, then it'll be games and then that'll be it for the whole morning! and i said what have they learnt? nothing! what have they done? -and then she would listen to them read, well this is what they finished with they'd have a book and they'd take it up and she'd listen to one line! +and then she would listen to them read, well this is what they finished with they'd have a book and they'd take it up and she'd listen to one line! how can you tell how er fluent a child is with it, with their reading that's right! and their, and their word knowledge by one line on a book? @@ -3133,19 +3133,19 @@ yeah! yeah! that's right! and i and my lad would bring home all these damn great big books that he couldn't read! -so i used to buy erm i used buy a lot of er the meg and mogs cos i found that they sort of helped him. -i mean, i was brought up on janet and john, you know +so i used to buy erm i used buy a lot of er the meg and mogs cos i found that they sort of helped him. +i mean, i was brought up on janet and john, you know well it's great! -but it was a number, you wrote down the one you wanted to +but it was a number, you wrote down the one you wanted to yep! and the it's progression! by your word knowledge! that's right! -and erm wha what happened was we had martin er assessed by an independent tutor, a guy that teaches and he erm gave him some tutoring with maths, like probably -yes and he said he's very bright! -he said but unfortunately because he's boisterous, which he is and because it's easier for them with their numbers to let him just get away with it or say oh martin go outside we can't, you know, then then he wasn't learning to +and erm wha what happened was we had martin er assessed by an independent tutor, a guy that teaches and he erm gave him some tutoring with maths, like probably +yes and he said he's very bright! +he said but unfortunately because he's boisterous, which he is and because it's easier for them with their numbers to let him just get away with it or say oh martin go outside we can't, you know, then then he wasn't learning to that's right! his full capacity. so where he is now, they really stretch them but they unwind them in the afternoons by games and and @@ -3154,24 +3154,24 @@ and, you know yeah. dra , and drama that's right! -and er as it should be done. +and er as it should be done. and he's getting on very well. -because he went to little abbotsbury prep school and at the age of four i mean, he could read and read quite well actually, and erm write very well actually! +because he went to little abbotsbury prep school and at the age of four i mean, he could read and read quite well actually, and erm write very well actually! and do lots of things that i knew he was capable of doing. -and i learnt from various teachers that when you go to these private schools and they've been to schools, they hold them back because they like, they don't like the +and i learnt from various teachers that when you go to these private schools and they've been to schools, they hold them back because they like, they don't like the they don't like somebody no. they that's right! -they, they like +they, they like it it it upsets the system! yep! -but like there and be all the same and that really upset me! +but like there and be all the same and that really upset me! and i thought my god you know we've got him really on this far that's right! and then it gets held back! and then he played in the afternoons! -and i i , you know at six and i said my god he did that at abbotsbury when he was four! +and i i , you know at six and i said my god he did that at abbotsbury when he was four! that's right! and so,i i mean it was to me it was a total waste of time over there! i'll be honest with you. @@ -3181,24 +3181,24 @@ i know! that damn school it really, i thought it's a shame because years ago when miss what was her miss . -miss and they had a lovely violin group there and +miss and they had a lovely violin group there and but it's down to head though isn't it? i mean you know? and you know, and it was tremendous! thank you love. -but i it's a shame because you see it's, it's really down to the a lot of the advisory staff and erm yo your teacher training colleges because there was a period when, i mean, i was always very formal i mean i, i, you know -i think it's the right -you've got to work and and th +but i it's a shame because you see it's, it's really down to the a lot of the advisory staff and erm yo your teacher training colleges because there was a period when, i mean, i was always very formal i mean i, i, you know +i think it's the right +you've got to work and and th yeah. -we had exams and you know? +we had exams and you know? that's right! -er, it was er re +er, it was er re and the three r's! which are so important! course they are! vitally important! -but, towards the end, before i retired erm a lot of the staff didn't like what i was doing because i was still, you know,ant and the advisor would come in and say you know, you should do it,yo yo you know, it's too strict! +but, towards the end, before i retired erm a lot of the staff didn't like what i was doing because i was still, you know,ant and the advisor would come in and say you know, you should do it,yo yo you know, it's too strict! there was that chap that was sacked up the country wasn't he? that's right! he was there being pushed out @@ -3222,7 +3222,7 @@ no. him! my er my son, one of my so -yes, erm on the other hand there are some +yes, erm on the other hand there are some there are some very good comprehensive schools! oh yes! i mean you can't, you can't erm @@ -3231,12 +3231,12 @@ thank you love. there's some very bad grammar schools! yeah, i agree with you. you know, again as you said earlier on it all comes down in the end to the head! -you see we've had some very good reports , i mean that went through a very bad patch but they've this new doctor colin he's meant to be pretty switched on +you see we've had some very good reports , i mean that went through a very bad patch but they've this new doctor colin he's meant to be pretty switched on mm. -and erm they say, you know it's it's turning into a very good school! +and erm they say, you know it's it's turning into a very good school! so that's one possibility to look at. -but i mean a a grammar doesn't suit every child does it? -some kids erm er , you know. +but i mean a a grammar doesn't suit every child does it? +some kids erm er , you know. no it doesn't, you see. i mean i yo , i would always say, you know if a child was borderline mm. @@ -3248,23 +3248,23 @@ that is exactly that! and then success breeds success! that's right! that's right. -erm whereas +erm whereas right. er the same child goes to the grammar school, he's in the c stream, he's at bottom yeah. -at the end and they perhaps don't bother quite so much and +at the end and they perhaps don't bother quite so much and yeah. he, he drops back, he gets yeah. further and further and further behind. yeah. -now i found that, you see, cos i passed my eleven plus and i lived in hampshire and the grammar school was hampshire grammar school for girls, which was quite a long way away from where i lived and it would have entailed a bus and the train and i and there was only me that passed and i, i didn't wanna do it. -so i went to a very good secondary school but i was in the a one stream right the way through and i was always within that top three of that a one stream and it gave me confidence and i really got on. +now i found that, you see, cos i passed my eleven plus and i lived in hampshire and the grammar school was hampshire grammar school for girls, which was quite a long way away from where i lived and it would have entailed a bus and the train and i and there was only me that passed and i, i didn't wanna do it. +so i went to a very good secondary school but i was in the a one stream right the way through and i was always within that top three of that a one stream and it gave me confidence and i really got on. and i never regretted not going. no. that's right. you know a lot of people said to me oh how stupid! -to my mum, you know she's passed, you're daft, but there'd have been so much hassle for me to get there! +to my mum, you know she's passed, you're daft, but there'd have been so much hassle for me to get there! yeah. and i didn't feel confident, and i wasn't happy within yeah. @@ -3274,7 +3274,7 @@ wanna go. that's right! and that's how i felt about yeah. -it, i didn't and i felt i'd have no friends around where i lived and you know, i'd always be alienated, i'd always be home later and i said to my mum i don't think i can cope with it, so she said right then you don't go! +it, i didn't and i felt i'd have no friends around where i lived and you know, i'd always be alienated, i'd always be home later and i said to my mum i don't think i can cope with it, so she said right then you don't go! and i didn't. and i never regretted it, i'll be quite honest with you. and i think lots of children probably feel that way. @@ -3293,13 +3293,13 @@ and i'm sorry i am! the fact that you had to! i am! -erm but i, you know i think that's that, that's an indictment of it you see because i +erm but i, you know i think that's that, that's an indictment of it you see because i oh it's cost us an arm and a leg! it really has! yeah sure! -an and it's what makes me so cross as i walk past that blinking school every day and you think my kid should be over there! +an and it's what makes me so cross as i walk past that blinking school every day and you think my kid should be over there! that's it! -that's just the way i feel +that's just the way i feel yeah i know it's sad isn't it? do you know what i mean? yeah i do. @@ -3311,7 +3311,7 @@ when i speak about it i get so upset that they've got three or four and they can and that's right! you see. you can't! -and there, lots of people and and lots of them actually they came from abbotsbury and that all their kids were doing so well and then this period of a year, nothing! +and there, lots of people and and lots of them actually they came from abbotsbury and that all their kids were doing so well and then this period of a year, nothing! no progress! no ! i know! @@ -3322,44 +3322,44 @@ see you again. again. bye bye! bye bye! -erm lady in the post office +erm lady in the post office eh? -you know that new one that's in there? +you know that new one that's in there? yeah. she's ever so nice! th the the oh yeah. -but er i don't know how we got onto it er sh and i think she said something about oh, she knew her tables +but er i don't know how we got onto it er sh and i think she said something about oh, she knew her tables yeah. -and erm you know, she'd come from hampshire apparently and she an an yo you know, er we got talking about ma and she's taken her child away from the local school and sen , is now going to a little private school up the tin valley, near tingrace apparently. +and erm you know, she'd come from hampshire apparently and she an an yo you know, er we got talking about ma and she's taken her child away from the local school and sen , is now going to a little private school up the tin valley, near tingrace apparently. fra good morning. yes. -i it's erm monsignor , that's right, i recognized your voice. +i it's erm monsignor , that's right, i recognized your voice. yeah. yes. right. -would you hold on a moment i'll just get margaret to the phone cos she really deals with the bookings hold on a second! +would you hold on a moment i'll just get margaret to the phone cos she really deals with the bookings hold on a second! monsignor . -he wants the hall ma march the twenty sixth i think. -i i he's got to organize meetings for priests to deal with the new accounting system. +he wants the hall ma march the twenty sixth i think. +i i he's got to organize meetings for priests to deal with the new accounting system. hello monsignor! yes, i'm just looking and march the twenty sixth is free. the twenty second, the friday? -yes, that's fine that's that's free. -i'm a large friend ! +yes, that's fine that's that's free. +i'm a large friend ! okay then, what time? what time? six thirty. -and obviously you want go in a little bit before that just in case somebody comes. +and obviously you want go in a little bit before that just in case somebody comes. yeah. mm mm. yes. fine. is that so? -and we have got, i must tell you, i don't know if you've been, and win , we have got it in the hall i don't know if you've been in recently but ha we have got some new chairs! +and we have got, i must tell you, i don't know if you've been, and win , we have got it in the hall i don't know if you've been in recently but ha we have got some new chairs! is that so ? -no, no, no, no, no, no they may be functional but they look better! +no, no, no, no, no, no they may be functional but they look better! right. i, right away monsignor! right. @@ -3369,27 +3369,27 @@ yes, bye bye. god bless! of march is that? yes. -when you in newton abbot leads all the rest of us follow. +when you in newton abbot leads all the rest of us follow. that's what he said. he, that's what i, what i used to say when i was there! oh! ha! gracious! -now six fifteen monsignor . +now six fifteen monsignor . it's a meeting of parish priests. and . ah! right! -and they want it open a little bit earlier because erm you know, in case anybody comes. +and they want it open a little bit earlier because erm you know, in case anybody comes. what does he, botham opening big trumps hicks is hoax. hoax. er, what does that mean do you think? -well it means that if if botham does open then the only place for hicks is in the middle taking lamb's place so when lamb comes back +well it means that if if botham does open then the only place for hicks is in the middle taking lamb's place so when lamb comes back he'll be out. he might not have a place. -there's one here about british gas complaints about british gas rose a hundred and thirty four percent last year according to the recent offgas report. -in one case a leeds man received a quarterly bill for more than three thousand pounds after british gas engineers fitted his new meter back to front ! +there's one here about british gas complaints about british gas rose a hundred and thirty four percent last year according to the recent offgas report. +in one case a leeds man received a quarterly bill for more than three thousand pounds after british gas engineers fitted his new meter back to front ! very funny! good gracious! times may be tough but it seems we're taking less care of our money than ever before. @@ -3397,42 +3397,42 @@ according to the royal mint around twenty three thousand pounds of coins a day d some is taken home by tourist and some is lost in the street and down the backs of sofas. but amazingly we are just as careless when it comes to bank notes. last november the old style fiver with the duke of wellington was withdrawn yet there are still sixty million missing ! -you can understand sort of you know,th the coppers and that that as they say get down behind sofas and what have you but erm it is quite amazing where notes get to isn't it? +you can understand sort of you know,th the coppers and that that as they say get down behind sofas and what have you but erm it is quite amazing where notes get to isn't it? sixty million's a lot isn't it? yes. that's quite interesting that! -there's a mutilated notes department as well that you can send really screwed up notes to. +there's a mutilated notes department as well that you can send really screwed up notes to. yeah. haven't you heard before about that then? but how i know, that's what somebody told me. -to send some notes in +to send some notes in yeah. you know, put them in the washing machine. -they they have in there and they take out bank notes and coins from the washing machine. -but, so long as you first. +they they have in there and they take out bank notes and coins from the washing machine. +but, so long as you first. erm oh that's right, well the they detail here exactly what you need to have. -but, you know, that's how i knew there was a department somewhere because they do -i think just, if you've got the number you can take it into an ordinary bank. +but, you know, that's how i knew there was a department somewhere because they do +i think just, if you've got the number you can take it into an ordinary bank. yeah. amazing! yeah ! -yes, i know how we got talking to this girl in the post office cos i erm i asked her for some stamps as well, you see, i wanted some cos i happen to be sending stuff of for germany tomorrow. -and i haven't got any second class stamps so i thought well i'll get five and it was, you know, dealing with that that erm +yes, i know how we got talking to this girl in the post office cos i erm i asked her for some stamps as well, you see, i wanted some cos i happen to be sending stuff of for germany tomorrow. +and i haven't got any second class stamps so i thought well i'll get five and it was, you know, dealing with that that erm yeah. it cropped up. -you didn't say anything about school did you? +you didn't say anything about school did you? oh no , no! -but, i mean that's why victor came away wasn't it? +but, i mean that's why victor came away wasn't it? that's right. she was really upset about it. -bet you were surprised to hear monsignor on the phone weren't you? +bet you were surprised to hear monsignor on the phone weren't you? i was , yeah! -i've i, when i heard you saying you recognized his voice i thought to myself well perhaps he's sort of inviting you to er, whatever! +i've i, when i heard you saying you recognized his voice i thought to myself well perhaps he's sort of inviting you to er, whatever! oh aye! and they were going to be here. yeah , i never thought of that. -no, i, it was just that i, you know, i mean he i recognized the voice really as he spoke. +no, i, it was just that i, you know, i mean he i recognized the voice really as he spoke. yes, distinctive. got a very oh yes! @@ -3440,16 +3440,16 @@ very distinctive voice hasn't he? it's still only half past nine so that's not bad! what? i said it's still only half past nine, so that's not bad! -have you gotta get any milk this morning? +have you gotta get any milk this morning? yeah. -i'm gonna put this french this is a little french thing that soma er we brought back . +i'm gonna put this french this is a little french thing that soma er we brought back . oh! oh you'll have to charge them francs for it. -but then we'd be looking for francs. +but then we'd be looking for francs. and shra , oh you said francs didn't you? yeah. yes, i, the birds don't half have a go at those nuts don't they? -look at them, one, two, three four, five on there! +look at them, one, two, three four, five on there! yeah. you know? yeah. @@ -3457,7 +3457,7 @@ yes there are. and the one on the left. yeah , that's right! and one there. -one, two three, yeah. +one, two three, yeah. there's one at the back on that erm yeah. hanging one. @@ -3468,7 +3468,7 @@ they're always yeah. perhaps may it is because we've got all these trees i mean yeah. -was saying when she lived out at erm cos i mean there were trees about there where their hou +was saying when she lived out at erm cos i mean there were trees about there where their hou that's right. but the nuts didn't come to her house. where has that come from? @@ -3482,18 +3482,18 @@ but i had one over, as it were. suppose i mustn't really, i'm reading this morning. let's have a look at that. well you always thought about going to the beefeater a bu really i suppose it might be better to go today than tomorrow. -cos today lucy will be here but tomorrow might be more difficult. +cos today lucy will be here but tomorrow might be more difficult. well -erm because i wouldn't sort of finished till quarter pa +erm because i wouldn't sort of finished till quarter pa i said to kevin as he was talking, he came to help to wash up yeah i let him erm and er go and help you because i thought you know you might have a natter with him or something he said, you on the finance committee? oh he says no he says i'm no good at figures, i said well not alike except blonde ones i said you know cos he made -he made a joke about a blonde you see just before that, anyway and i said i just wanted to, do you know who is on so he said oh he thinks is on and that must be the from +he made a joke about a blonde you see just before that, anyway and i said i just wanted to, do you know who is on so he said oh he thinks is on and that must be the from that is that is the one that left the erm heater -that's it yeah, and erm i was erm wally and gordon and he thinks there's another couple you see, so i said well, you know, and i told him about the heater you see and he know, i said when people sitting on their backsides in committee making decisions, i said, you know, i said it just makes me bloody well annoyed, he said i know he said they don't, they, they make the decisions and, but they don't do the nitty gritty, they you know +that's it yeah, and erm i was erm wally and gordon and he thinks there's another couple you see, so i said well, you know, and i told him about the heater you see and he know, i said when people sitting on their backsides in committee making decisions, i said, you know, i said it just makes me bloody well annoyed, he said i know he said they don't, they, they make the decisions and, but they don't do the nitty gritty, they you know yeah the person that has to implement these things they don't and i said these, none none of those would have the foggiest notion about it @@ -3507,22 +3507,22 @@ and you dealt with the erm, the, the various taxes and whatnots. that's right as i said to kay it's terry that does all, he gets the money in, he pays all the bills, muriel brings him the bills, i said he does all that apart from the fact i said he spent the whole day yesterday, the whole morning yesterday here clearing this, oh she said i did as well, erm you know help, i said what you, but as well as clearing stuff, i said he swept the hall, i said look how nice it looks this morning, i said and he did all the toilets and everything else -i wonder who did then and -you see sister makes all these arrangements, it's she who does so many of the arrangements, she has made the arrangements about there being no coffee, several people have come to me and said i don't know why you've got to stop coffee because we can always go over and have lunch anyway, you know, er after the coffee, but jean came to me she said look i'm giving you this, and she gave me three pounds, she said i would much rather that was put into this, there your charity thing than take it across the hall, she said my margaret won't go over there any more, because they, they say, you know, put in for your lunch what it would cost +i wonder who did then and +you see sister makes all these arrangements, it's she who does so many of the arrangements, she has made the arrangements about there being no coffee, several people have come to me and said i don't know why you've got to stop coffee because we can always go over and have lunch anyway, you know, er after the coffee, but jean came to me she said look i'm giving you this, and she gave me three pounds, she said i would much rather that was put into this, there your charity thing than take it across the hall, she said my margaret won't go over there any more, because they, they say, you know, put in for your lunch what it would cost yeah to have a lunch out if you don't go for a lunch out that's right, she said margaret never goes, i said well we never go for lunch out, we hardly ever really that's right -erm she's got a family margaret, she said she won't go there any more she i, i don't know whether that er jean does so didn't she just cotton on quickly,she said do you know that, i said why do i want anybody wandering in my house and my kitchen, i said it's a bit like it's clean, why should i have somebody sort of, well i mean just because i'm doing cooking, she said you wouldn't stop fancy one, you never know, she said well unless you want to stop at the, please don't, you'll let me still have your jam won't you? +erm she's got a family margaret, she said she won't go there any more she i, i don't know whether that er jean does so didn't she just cotton on quickly,she said do you know that, i said why do i want anybody wandering in my house and my kitchen, i said it's a bit like it's clean, why should i have somebody sort of, well i mean just because i'm doing cooking, she said you wouldn't stop fancy one, you never know, she said well unless you want to stop at the, please don't, you'll let me still have your jam won't you? so i said -and she cottoned on what i had in mind michelle said to her well how will this sort of erm what are you looking for? +and she cottoned on what i had in mind michelle said to her well how will this sort of erm what are you looking for? erm cheese oh yes there's cheese there, how will this erm, yes of course there's there if you want to, have that with a biscuit or something, i said what about this then, erm everybody gonna be taking things to sell at the stalls but they what, i wonder what about that? and that's true you see isn't it? -yeah well of course it's bureaucracy going barmy isn't it? +yeah well of course it's bureaucracy going barmy isn't it? really another one of these for you for tomorrow, oh god, rest of it, oh it's only on the cloth it is dirty anyway another one of what? @@ -3533,9 +3533,9 @@ i mean the next thing they'd want to do is to come in and do in this kitchen bef i mean who knows, this soup may be erm contaminated contaminated -been in the fridge this is -there is room for soup, i'll put it in this one there -anyway did you say there's only lucy or is there lucy this afternoon? +been in the fridge this is +there is room for soup, i'll put it in this one there +anyway did you say there's only lucy or is there lucy this afternoon? lucy she is coming as far as you know? yeah @@ -3548,7 +3548,7 @@ mm but, two good dinners we've had from it that's right two lots of soup and there'll be, it won't be a full bowl for you tomorrow, but there'll be about half a bowl unless you want it now? -no no, mm i have a word here belittle beginning with a d third letter from the end is an a, so i put depreciate +no no, mm i have a word here belittle beginning with a d third letter from the end is an a, so i put depreciate denigrate but the third letter has got to be an s , as it turns out now the third letter's got to be an s i heard you say that as it turns out now @@ -3565,7 +3565,7 @@ what's, what's that poker stake? what's that what? poker stake, a stake in a game of poker, it's got a special name, four letter word i don't know poker -i don't, but erm wonder where, wonder where the word penthouse came from? +i don't, but erm wonder where, wonder where the word penthouse came from? surely it's with somebody you know, some connection with a prison or something, didn't it? i'm not up with the name of it oh no , no @@ -3574,7 +3574,7 @@ pentonville pentonville, yeah they're just an expensive flat and of course the answer's penthouse you just wonder where these words come from -that holly the other day was saying where do the names of the weeks come from +that holly the other day was saying where do the names of the weeks come from and of course some of those some of those have got an origin i think thursday is it's, it's got a thought isn't it, yeah? got a thought, yeah , but erm sunday has, what's that? @@ -3582,19 +3582,19 @@ tuesday certainly has and wednesday, wednesday is woodens day god of war of norway or somewhere or something like that, or it is sort of thunder mm thunder isn't it? -mm no that's er making me jolly cross, not like myself i don't do anything like, not as much as i used to do at the hall, i mean i used to do a lot as you know, but i, i know how much you have done, but nobody else knows +mm no that's er making me jolly cross, not like myself i don't do anything like, not as much as i used to do at the hall, i mean i used to do a lot as you know, but i, i know how much you have done, but nobody else knows aha kay said i know, i said kay you couldn't begin to imagine what he does, and of course she said, and she had been doing that erm painting, father came in and said something like oh you, you've done a good job there, but she said he never said oh go over to the kitchen and get a cup of tea he just doesn't think you see because he but he never did actually no -i mean that's typically irish of course, irish male oh dear, dear +i mean that's typically irish of course, irish male oh dear, dear i suppose that could be a good argument for having married women priests. well i often think there, there could be something for women priests because they would see the more practical things that had to be done let's get this out of the way i've bought that erm raspberry jam and some strawberry jam for us, i didn't realize that this would want replenishing as well oh the chocolate -chocolate, yes but you see somebody i think it was erm what's his name? +chocolate, yes but you see somebody i think it was erm what's his name? erm what's his first name? who, wally? @@ -3606,13 +3606,13 @@ erm, he said i don't know we've got to stop having the coffee, so i said well er kay doesn't know why anyway, nor does erm kevin and erm denise so in other words it was an unilateral decision oh yes, sister made it -well i mean we can always unmake it presumably cos next week it will be, it'll be different time i expect won't it? +well i mean we can always unmake it presumably cos next week it will be, it'll be different time i expect won't it? a natter about ten i'd expect won't it next week? er yeah it's usually ten isn't it? but i mean there's a wed a thursday night we could always of said you know -meant it to be on thursday ours not to reason why apparently erm sister josephine us, she went off by train to wherever it is she's gone, but will be coming back with another sister in a car tomorrow +meant it to be on thursday ours not to reason why apparently erm sister josephine us, she went off by train to wherever it is she's gone, but will be coming back with another sister in a car tomorrow oh so, do you know, i was thinking the other day, you know sister margaret we like her very much really don't mm, mm @@ -3630,7 +3630,7 @@ ante post betting that's, that's erm something, no well that's not that's anti a n t i that means erm no it isn't ante a n t e ante post betting on a race before a race? -i don't know when it's for, but it is for when, that's what it's called, you get a list and it is sort of ante +i don't know when it's for, but it is for when, that's what it's called, you get a list and it is sort of ante it's like ante natal, before no it's not, oh could be, ante natal, yes before the birth before the, before the race @@ -3643,16 +3643,16 @@ i don't really, i don't really alan ball admitted his men had it all to do after his men crashed to south africa, the australian wicket went for a duck as a defending champion slumped said we are going to have to do it the hard way now, we just didn't play very, we didn't get it together against new zealand in the first match and today we were never in the picture, our brothers never really had a chance of any attempt of a hundred and seventy, but full credit to south africa they are a rate, a better to side yes they really made a south africa made a stunning with a nine wicket, nine wicket triumph -mm this erm what ever he's called +mm this erm what ever he's called yeah apparently he paid for his -and sort of fairly recently gone back to home to south africa where he +and sort of fairly recently gone back to home to south africa where he where's that? mm good gracious me look at that a hundred and seventy one for one mm -after about forty six overs oh er, that, oh dear, fancy that australia don't even get into the semi finals +after about forty six overs oh er, that, oh dear, fancy that australia don't even get into the semi finals oh they're the favourites apparently, the kids they, they have it now that's right they are, well england, england next, but even so you see that's erm, that's in, that's incredible mind you when england come against south africa let's hope they @@ -3662,10 +3662,10 @@ still at least we've won one game leave those i'll see to them what? i think perhaps i'll just have a little bit of water i'm very thirsty, i know i haven't -so am i , i'm going to have a, oh have a, an orange and a lemonade that's right, that's what i'll have well you mustn't forget to have a wee before you go out +so am i , i'm going to have a, oh have a, an orange and a lemonade that's right, that's what i'll have well you mustn't forget to have a wee before you go out that's right i don't know who that woman is? -those were the, oh yes got one of those right i'll have these then and this, if you want the sugar kay was saying that they're promising heavy storms and erm gales +those were the, oh yes got one of those right i'll have these then and this, if you want the sugar kay was saying that they're promising heavy storms and erm gales oh they are yes, for tomorrow or tonight yeah but erm @@ -3701,7 +3701,7 @@ thank you bye bye fifty for one, botham was out for eight oh dear, not again -yeah bit of a shame innit? +yeah bit of a shame innit? oh dear i was thinking he was going easy yeah he was gonna take over from gooch @@ -3710,16 +3710,16 @@ or whatever smith is now in, he hasn't scored yet, fifty for one off thirteen overs mm so providing they just play it steadily they should be alright, there's a lot of discrimination over the australian defeat in the paper, they reckon that if erm -only no, no, go on what was it? +only no, no, go on what was it? they reckon that if erm australia lose another match it could mean that they won't even make the semi finals and erm they reckon like that, that channel nine that's supposed to be backing all this oh yeah, aha well they think they'll pull the plug on it oh yes -and show re-runs of neighbours instead, now can you think can you imagine anything worse than that? -oh dear, i thought that was funny yes cos there's been so much +and show re-runs of neighbours instead, now can you think can you imagine anything worse than that? +oh dear, i thought that was funny yes cos there's been so much in australia, you know, i mean it was really a competition just to show that australia was gonna be champions again you know -mm that and erm +mm that and erm australia play india next then they play england, that'll be a match and a half i think should be, especially with this erm, this oh yes, yes @@ -3731,7 +3731,7 @@ oh fancy botham being out, i was hoping that, you know he was going easy yes, i was erm letting gooch score perhaps he was going too easily you see, not playing his natural game, i mean it's, you never know do you? -well perhaps it needn't where he just had plenty of porridge +well perhaps it needn't where he just had plenty of porridge yeah, yes now i should be should prefer cutting my hair, i'm not gonna have it cut quite so short this time i think @@ -3746,7 +3746,7 @@ because i shall be going up the town yes after lucy about, er yes that was what i was getting around to, by that time of course i should be erm it'll be finished in half an hour, yes erm, so i would come up the town with you if i could think what for -oh right +oh right it'll help, okay it had steve martin in it, it's a comedy yeah @@ -3756,18 +3756,18 @@ well how can we help today? i finished this book did you? yeah -good so let's see what you did, who did you go to the pictures with? +good so let's see what you did, who did you go to the pictures with? oh my friend emma emma? so where did you go from here? yeah, where it starts in the pen -where it starts in the pen mm what was it? -right right, so let us see what we can do shall we? +where it starts in the pen mm what was it? +right right, so let us see what we can do shall we? erm where do we start? i need a there yeah, yeah -e two, now you've got to work out the average speed, right try and think roughly what the answer would be, because if you thought of that, then you would know that's a silly answer, cos look, how far is the journey? +e two, now you've got to work out the average speed, right try and think roughly what the answer would be, because if you thought of that, then you would know that's a silly answer, cos look, how far is the journey? a hundred and twenty miles right, well say, a nice, you know just to the nearest, to the nearest erm whole number a hundred @@ -3775,16 +3775,16 @@ right and twenty seven miles a hundred and twenty seven, what's that to the nearest hour? two hours -right, so if it goes say a hundred and twenty six miles or a hundred and twenty miles, to the nearest ten miles, it goes a hundred and twenty miles in two hours how far would it go in one hour? +right, so if it goes say a hundred and twenty six miles or a hundred and twenty miles, to the nearest ten miles, it goes a hundred and twenty miles in two hours how far would it go in one hour? sixty -right, sixty so that can't be right can it? +right, sixty so that can't be right can it? right, so how are you gonna find the average speed, what do you do to find that average speed? you divide what by what? divide that by that right, but, what are you gonna divide that by on a calculator? two point twelve no, this is the whole thing isn't it? -don't you remember look if there were a hundred minutes in an hour that would be two point one two, but there's not a hundred minutes in an hour are there? +don't you remember look if there were a hundred minutes in an hour that would be two point one two, but there's not a hundred minutes in an hour are there? how many minutes are there in an hour? sixty right, now look, it says there, so what's twelve minutes? @@ -3797,8 +3797,8 @@ what's the time? erm two hours and twelve minutes right, how do you write that as a decimal of an hour? what's two hours, twelve minutes? -look you've got two hours and you've got twelve minutes, now what fraction of an hour is twelve minutes? -erm five +look you've got two hours and you've got twelve minutes, now what fraction of an hour is twelve minutes? +erm five no, what, twelve minutes is what fraction of an hour? oh, nought point two right, so that equals the minutes is point two, how many hours? @@ -3817,7 +3817,7 @@ that by, by what? two point two right fifty eight -that's right right, well what about the next one? +that's right right, well what about the next one? doesn't say well how many minutes is it? nought point nine five @@ -3834,14 +3834,14 @@ six and that's half way to it so that's nought point nine, six, five five look, nought point nine, six, five and so you're gonna divide five -you're gonna divide fifty point five by +you're gonna divide fifty point five by fifty two -right right now d +right right now d well that one point two that's right forty two -right right, now, the next one -er how you gonna take it out of it? +right right, now, the next one +er how you gonna take it out of it? three at, thirty nine thirty nine so what is it? @@ -3860,28 +3860,28 @@ twelve o'clock so that is just eighteen minutes after noon, so how long is it from nine, ten in the morning until, until eighteen minutes past twelve o'clock in midday? so how long is it three hours and -right so switzerland is three hours and eight minutes isn't it? +right so switzerland is three hours and eight minutes isn't it? yeah and you had two hours, fifty two minutes, right, so which is the next one, this one? now that's five, ten p m to eleven thirty eight p m, well what's five ten, to eleven ten? -erm six hours +erm six hours six hours and eighteen minutes -and eighteen minutes, er wait a moment six hours and what? +and eighteen minutes, er wait a moment six hours and what? ten, thirty eight and twenty eight right, so that is six hours and twenty eight minutes isn't it? yeah right, now what's the next one? two fourteen to ten twenty, er this again is easier because what would be two fourteen to ten fourteen? -erm eight +erm eight eight hours, so fourteen to twenty would be how many? sixteen -right, so it's eight hours six minutes now the next one +right, so it's eight hours six minutes now the next one erm two fifty to ten twenty nine, well, come back to the same sort of time, the hour just before that, say two fifty to nine fifty, what would two fifty to nine fifty be? erm seven hours -right, now you've got to go from fifty to twenty nine +right, now you've got to go from fifty to twenty nine erm so fifty to an hour would be thirty nine @@ -3891,28 +3891,28 @@ no seven hours isn't it? seven hours two to nine, seven hours and thirty nine minutes isn't it? got thirty nine -right, now this next one ten a m to two thirty seven p m, well what's ten o'clock? +right, now this next one ten a m to two thirty seven p m, well what's ten o'clock? four hours four hours and? fifty seven right and i think the next one you got right, because you worked it out alright, cos it's seven days, which is how many hours? -five, three, erm seven times twenty four +five, three, erm seven times twenty four that's right, which is? erm a hundred times twenty four well it's a hundred and sixty eight, seven times twenty four, but then you've got five hours to add onto it which makes it a hundred and seventy three, right, so now work out your average speeds. -okay but i got some right, i got the actual question wrong on that one, just i, shall i do that one? +okay but i got some right, i got the actual question wrong on that one, just i, shall i do that one? have you got the second one, didn't you get the second one, oh you got that one wrong? yes -right, so yes, do that one this is what this is dublin to cork? +right, so yes, do that one this is what this is dublin to cork? erm one hundred and ten, no one hundred and twenty dublin to cork, it's two hundred and sixty six -oh i've done the wrong one a hundred and six, i've got that and you've marked it wrong +oh i've done the wrong one a hundred and six, i've got that and you've marked it wrong what did you divide by? that what? two point five, eight what's two point five hours? -erm a hundred and +erm a hundred and well what's point five of an hour? six what, what fraction is point five? @@ -3937,7 +3937,7 @@ erm right, now what's the next one? erm switzerland switzerland, right -eight there, nought, point, one, three +eight there, nought, point, one, three right did i say nought, point, eight, three? no @@ -3945,8 +3945,8 @@ nought, point, one, three right nought, point, one, three but you're not gonna divide by nought, point, one, three are you? -no ninety one -right now what i shall do before you go any further is divide that at the side here, what those and minutes are as decimals of an hour +no ninety one +right now what i shall do before you go any further is divide that at the side here, what those and minutes are as decimals of an hour nought point four, seven, nought point four, seven what was it erm six hours twenty eight minutes was it? yes six point nought, what did i say? @@ -3955,7 +3955,7 @@ six point three, seven no, four, seven isn't it? yeah right -nought point one six, five nought, point, four, two +nought point one six, five nought, point, four, two no, how long is it? twenty seven is it twenty seven? @@ -3976,7 +3976,7 @@ eighty, you're not far out, but it's just erm madrid to barcelona six, eight, seven erm, eight six -right just don't do it again +right just don't do it again six is this the seven hours, thirty nine minutes? yeah, six, eight, seven @@ -3992,10 +3992,10 @@ right, so west germany one hundred and six right one, three, seven -right right, what you didn't do almost all the time was to change those minutes to decimals of an hour wasn't it? +right right, what you didn't do almost all the time was to change those minutes to decimals of an hour wasn't it? so you must remember that whenever you're dealing with speed or anything to do with hours and minutes you've got to change your minutes to the decimals of an hour before you can use your calculator. okay. -now, just let's have a little help here, because you won't have this graph with you all the time will you? +now, just let's have a little help here, because you won't have this graph with you all the time will you? no right, so, how can you find out what forty minutes is? divide it by ten @@ -4006,13 +4006,13 @@ no, what's, what's a quarter of an hour? quarter of an hour, twenty minutes, fours into sixty, fifteen right, so three quarters of an hour is? forty five -forty five minutes if you've got forty five minutes, what's, what's the fraction of an hour? +forty five minutes if you've got forty five minutes, what's, what's the fraction of an hour? over sixty right, it's forty five over sixty, you want to change that into a decimal, what do you do? -erm divide into +erm divide into no, how do you change any fraction into a decimal, now this is something you must divide it by ten -no, no, no, no you've got fractions here look, erm now how do you change all those fractions into decimal fractions, what do you do? +no, no, no, no you've got fractions here look, erm now how do you change all those fractions into decimal fractions, what do you do? nought point five but how did you do it? you knew that, but how do you do it? @@ -4058,8 +4058,8 @@ nought point seven five right, so that equals nought point seven five, what's a half? do it on the calculator nought point five -right what's three quarters divided er as a decimal? -nought point five nought point eight, seven, five +right what's three quarters divided er as a decimal? +nought point five nought point eight, seven, five right, so how do you change a fraction into a decimal? you divide it by the bottom you divide the top number by the bottom number, so, supposing you've got fifty seven minutes and you want to change that into a decimal of an hour, what fraction of an hour is it? @@ -4098,7 +4098,7 @@ so it's nought, point, six, two, so for our thirty seven minutes it's, four poin mm right? mm -so do this one what is this? +so do this one what is this? four eight hours and four minutes four, six @@ -4118,7 +4118,7 @@ nought, six, six, so it's gonna be to two decimal places it's gonna be nought point nought seven right, so it's gonna be eight point nought seven -eighty point, nought, seven right +eighty point, nought, seven right yeah so you now know how you can change your minutes to decimals to decimals @@ -4126,7 +4126,7 @@ right, now you may have to do that on this next one tired i can see that oh my brother does motor racing -i know he does have you heard from your brother? +i know he does have you heard from your brother? yeah how is he? he's okay, he says the resorts are very good @@ -4134,7 +4134,7 @@ does he and the snow good? yeah and has he been up to the top of the i don't know i wasn't there when mummy -oh i see so what's today thursday, he's only got today and tomorrow left hasn't he for skiing +oh i see so what's today thursday, he's only got today and tomorrow left hasn't he for skiing that's silverstone that's right yes i know where that is @@ -4144,13 +4144,13 @@ have you been there? no, my brother has has he? he might have i don't, he probably has -right so it shows a silverstone motor racing circuit +right so it shows a silverstone motor racing circuit yeah right, so what's the first circuit has five corners and ten kerbs, car start ha, car start near woodcape corner and go clockwise, which corner do they come from first? -aha copse corner -right copse corner what would you expect to find at copse corner? +aha copse corner +right copse corner what would you expect to find at copse corner? ten cops and what's a copse? i don't know @@ -4175,7 +4175,7 @@ wonder who's got a chapel there? i should think almost certainly there was a chapel at that point famous people go there oh they do indeed, yes -mm, mm which corner is at the end of hammer street? +mm, mm which corner is at the end of hammer street? stow corner that's right why is that called stow? @@ -4202,7 +4202,7 @@ there right, so how would you describe that stretch, it's going from copse corner to right -oh there we go +oh there we go right, so where would it be going, roughly going going northwards northwards @@ -4216,18 +4216,18 @@ where are we? fourth of april no, come on. oh we know it. -tuesday the seventh when, i've just got to write it in my book you see because i haven't gone that far ahead. +tuesday the seventh when, i've just got to write it in my book you see because i haven't gone that far ahead. ah ah what's thursday, the ninth isn't it? -thursday is the ninth, yes. +thursday is the ninth, yes. that's next week. that's the ninth of april ninth of april. that looks alright. okay? right. -should try the again. +should try the again. don't worry though honestly, i know these things do happen. what time? quarter to ten. @@ -4265,7 +4265,7 @@ what? shall we have a cup of coffee before we go out? yes may as well might oh yes that's true, yes, i'll put the kettle on. -said all i'm worried about is did i wash my hair too early for you so she said it's alright i've got a spray that i can sort of cos she likes it quite wet when she +said all i'm worried about is did i wash my hair too early for you so she said it's alright i've got a spray that i can sort of cos she likes it quite wet when she yeah. it's thirty eight overs so i mean they've got another twelve overs yet. to get about twenty runs. @@ -4284,32 +4284,32 @@ or did she have to go back for something. she had to go back for something. i, cos i saw her at a quarter past nine so no no she'd erm she'd been in, hundred and fifty three, hick again. -hundred and fifty three, so he only wants five? +hundred and fifty three, so he only wants five? yeah. -oh well let him hit the the winning thing. +oh well let him hit the the winning thing. well he won't be er he, he won't, he won't have strike now, fairbrother will have strike. cos he's obviously just got a three. unless they've changed ends. thirty eight overs, yes, as you say they've got another twelve overs. hundred and fifty four oh he's got one yes. -so he had four cos he got one then didn't he? +so he had four cos he got one then didn't he? mm. -oh well the jubilation +oh well the jubilation hundred and fifty six. so only wants two and he's got fifty six look you see mm. he's doing the scoring. well i expect they like him doing it. -fifty four, it's changed, hick's not out fifty four it was fifty six a minute ago wasn't it? +fifty four, it's changed, hick's not out fifty four it was fifty six a minute ago wasn't it? yes it was, fairbrother's got the nine you see, look. yeah well he's still got nine. yeah but he had seven. oh i thought it was nine he had. no. so they only want two. -six six four oh no -no +six six four oh no +no not quite, no . something's come up which shouldn't have done. well switch it off and bring it up again and see if it changes. @@ -4325,11 +4325,11 @@ probably trying to, probably trying to hit a six out of the ground should think probably that was probably what that erm yeah. was about probably -caught and bowled he was probably was sort of erm +caught and bowled he was probably was sort of erm just trying to hit a six. trying to hit, you know, get it finished. that's right. -yes erm she didn't come till after ten and i was beginning +yes erm she didn't come till after ten and i was beginning yeah to wonder whether i'd got the right time. have we got a p is there a piece of cake left? @@ -4340,10 +4340,10 @@ i said is there a p no it's alright, a biscuit will do fine. i just said was there a piece of cake left. oh there is ca oh of course i have got cakes in the . oh gosh, help me, help me, help me. -good, not out bowling again. -presumably you took those chicken things downstairs for me yesterday? +good, not out bowling again. +presumably you took those chicken things downstairs for me yesterday? presumably i did. -you know the +you know the yes i think i did, yeah. the what? oh yes i put them in the freezer, yes, yes. @@ -4360,14 +4360,14 @@ oh gracious. fairbrother got a four look. oh yes. well we've eleven overs to spare, i mean that's erm -england's maintaining their britain and the west indies in one day games -six wicket victory, the west indies batting self destructed after the loss of two early wickets and only at fifty four and scores. -they were all out for just a hundred and fifty seven and the outcome was never in doubt after graham gooch and ian botham an opening stand of fifty in reply. -gooch made sixty five, graham hicks boost boosted his confidence with his second international fifty and england reached their target with ten overs to spare . -well i think they w they were something on three four two i think. +england's maintaining their britain and the west indies in one day games +six wicket victory, the west indies batting self destructed after the loss of two early wickets and only at fifty four and scores. +they were all out for just a hundred and fifty seven and the outcome was never in doubt after graham gooch and ian botham an opening stand of fifty in reply. +gooch made sixty five, graham hicks boost boosted his confidence with his second international fifty and england reached their target with ten overs to spare . +well i think they w they were something on three four two i think. now that was ma that will be in the score card of course, three four two. oh this is it look. -england bowling west indies course for their second cup victory on their back caught by snaring in his opening +england bowling west indies course for their second cup victory on their back caught by snaring in his opening of course caught botham bowled botham he's doing alright. @@ -4376,9 +4376,9 @@ oh how did it go? it went er on its own accord er now what number were we on? three four two. -so i'll go to three four three because i think there's something else on, someone else result. +so i'll go to three four three because i think there's something else on, someone else result. details. -was there last night? +was there last night? oh no that was the night before picked up their first points with a fifty three one o w win over zimbabwe oh is that ? @@ -4392,63 +4392,63 @@ mm. now what was that about food and drink you wanted to see? no i was, i just saw food and drink oh. -but i think i saw it, didn't i, the night before last was it? +but i think i saw it, didn't i, the night before last was it? yes i think you did didn't you? they haven't got news yet of the erm cricket win i don't suppose? no. well it won't be on the national news i don't suppose cos it comes under sports oh it'll be on the national news because thing mm -they reporting it. -well i've got one of france but i'm not sure what scale it is. +they reporting it. +well i've got one of france but i'm not sure what scale it is. i don't th you see if we had seen that one that would be very ideal for richard. yes it would. -erm erm +erm erm doesn't it tell you? -now you see this is three inches to the mile and this is this is one to no that's not one to a million, that's ridiculous that is. -erm have to work it out all the time, this is erm this is one to two hundred and fifty thousand. +now you see this is three inches to the mile and this is this is one to no that's not one to a million, that's ridiculous that is. +erm have to work it out all the time, this is erm this is one to two hundred and fifty thousand. erm this is three miles to one inch, that one isn't it? -yes this one is, look this one is erm that's ten kilometres is eight miles isn't it? +yes this one is, look this one is erm that's ten kilometres is eight miles isn't it? yes mhm. so that's eight miles, that's, so that's, this is about four miles to the inch, this one i should think. so it's not bad you see, so i mean i've got that one of france which is yes so that's okay. more or less the s -so the other one is i don't remember what it is i wanted but i think i'll go in to erm and erm +so the other one is i don't remember what it is i wanted but i think i'll go in to erm and erm well i've got to go to the building society and i've got to go to the bank. the bank. erm i'll go down and get the car out. -it's really quite warm now out sort of out of the wind. -yes well i think that the erm i mean the sun is a surprise. +it's really quite warm now out sort of out of the wind. +yes well i think that the erm i mean the sun is a surprise. yeah. yeah that tub of daffs is really erm looking good isn't it? -mm they look as if they're all planted near the top you know +mm they look as if they're all planted near the top you know yeah. -as if you put a whole heap of as you say th the t the two of them +as if you put a whole heap of as you say th the t the two of them yeah. -in the wheelbarrow +in the wheelbarrow yeah, both out, yeah sort of so we just wanna go and park somewhere don't we really? -well really it's about it i'll have to see if there's a carrier +well really it's about it i'll have to see if there's a carrier i think there is one in the box, yes. if we put one back in again. i haven't got as much room in this one to put the bag. have you not? no. gosh -mm oh the moor is visible again. +mm oh the moor is visible again. yeah. -oh well perhaps the fog and erm got a appointment on the saturday hasn't she? +oh well perhaps the fog and erm got a appointment on the saturday hasn't she? has she? for hair hair yeah. -and erm well perhaps young bob and jess can go on the moor on saturday. +and erm well perhaps young bob and jess can go on the moor on saturday. yes if it, i mean if it were like today it will be lovely. yeah. @@ -4467,12 +4467,12 @@ no she's just got in it's very difficult to get in yeah. well we will just hope for the best, he's not going up there so that's one less. -wondered if +wondered if yes i did too. oh look, we've just got one there. oh yes. great. -oh look it's one of these that's nice because you can just sort of nothing can come in behind you and that sort of thing. +oh look it's one of these that's nice because you can just sort of nothing can come in behind you and that sort of thing. mind the disabled person just coming past you here, that's it. good, right, so i will do what i've got to do, you will do what you've got to do this is all mucky at the back, what happened to it? @@ -4482,15 +4482,15 @@ oh that will be alright yes. very strong. well it's probably stronger than that one, still. -mm, that's the one, no, leave that one. +mm, that's the one, no, leave that one. erm this one will be alright. stay here now. wasn't there anyway. -i thought it was sort of a er you know, by the -so i was wrong +i thought it was sort of a er you know, by the +so i was wrong yes. -cos the other thing i was gonna do was to go into lloyds, i must do that some time about this interest on that account cos i reckon it's very low +cos the other thing i was gonna do was to go into lloyds, i must do that some time about this interest on that account cos i reckon it's very low oh yes. and i still haven't, i keep on forgetting that. you keep on forgetting to bring out the book. @@ -4498,16 +4498,16 @@ yeah. yes. oh well that was lucky cos there haven't been any more another space, no, that's right. -anyway you just go where you've got to go +anyway you just go where you've got to go yes. the bank and the building society -and then i'll go down to devon travel to pick up that er +and then i'll go down to devon travel to pick up that er right. so i'll see you back at the car. right. i've got a funny hat on, ah that's fair enough isn't it? some people like it. -it keeps +it keeps that's right. it needs to. funny hat @@ -4517,7 +4517,7 @@ nothing else has come. now you've got the vouchers, did i give you the vouchers? no. i didn't, right. -this lady's from new zealand +this lady's from new zealand oh and i said er yeah? @@ -4530,14 +4530,14 @@ incredible isn't it? i meet people i was in adelaide once with m -ten ten, can +ten ten, can can? -oh well i suppose, yes it, you know, it might be, don't know how but it might be -ten down thus it's safe to take it in +oh well i suppose, yes it, you know, it might be, don't know how but it might be +ten down thus it's safe to take it in now i, let me just try and get this one. -what is it's barely credible . -now which one do i well shove roughly -pushed pushing? +what is it's barely credible . +now which one do i well shove roughly +pushed pushing? i've not got a p in the anagram so i don't think it can start with well it do isn't necessarily an anagram is it? ah yeah i mean, oh i see what you mean, there, mm. @@ -4547,7 +4547,7 @@ shove roughly . mm that's right. step on newsman as tyre is . i had treaded in but you can't have treaded, still, oh a tyre is treaded isn't it? -step on newsman as tyre is treaded? +step on newsman as tyre is treaded? well why treaded? i mean cos i @@ -4560,22 +4560,22 @@ mm. see what i mean? yeah. i mean i -oh tread t r e a d and four down would finish with d +oh tread t r e a d and four down would finish with d firstly doctor or surgeon every day gave treatment -doctor firstly erm we think that must finish with an e d did w did we? +doctor firstly erm we think that must finish with an e d did w did we? cos that was that one ah yes. -step on newsman tread, t r e a d +step on newsman tread, t r e a d so if that's a t then that's gonna be to -to it's barely credible hard to hard to, can you get out of that? -h a r d, hard and to and then it starts with an i -h a r d +to it's barely credible hard to hard to, can you get out of that? +h a r d, hard and to and then it starts with an i +h a r d i haven't got -t, oh yes you have, you've got two, you've got th two i's g and an i -ah yes, gin two i's? -oh i have i've got +t, oh yes you have, you've got two, you've got th two i's g and an i +ah yes, gin two i's? +oh i have i've got yeah because look er er gin i dream and you've got an i in gin and you've got the i you, you think it's hard to hard to, and it's going to be @@ -4589,119 +4589,119 @@ i wouldn't have thought that was easy to do? i know, you should see her hair. gracious me. hard to imagine, right. -so twelve over gets ready for more fire relax relight, no -one across shoved roughly got the money illicitly +so twelve over gets ready for more fire relax relight, no +one across shoved roughly got the money illicitly oh yes that one. hassled? mm got the money illicitly? i mean -h a s s l e d hassled erm haggle? +h a s s l e d hassled erm haggle? no,well suppose you have three down -hero worshipper, list old boy -well supposing it's hassled, h a s s l so this old boy would be l, don't think, one two three four five seven hero worshipper +hero worshipper, list old boy +well supposing it's hassled, h a s s l so this old boy would be l, don't think, one two three four five seven hero worshipper do you know that one,the music about a bird ? -air air? -oh, well air is about a bird i suppose but not what i had in mind. +air air? +oh, well air is about a bird i suppose but not what i had in mind. no i wouldn't have that in mind really. -fifteen over, where is it well what is five down? -well five down is bad ideas, question mark, a very, exclamation mark -do you think, no which we haven't got. -bad ideas d d e m u s i l m +fifteen over, where is it well what is five down? +well five down is bad ideas, question mark, a very, exclamation mark +do you think, no which we haven't got. +bad ideas d d e m u s i l m glowing players in court -d e m u s oh so that would be s blank e blank s? +d e m u s oh so that would be s blank e blank s? glowing players in court, is that what you said? glowing players in court. -no idea got the money illicitly +no idea got the money illicitly seeds? oh yes! very good. very good. so you think that's delusion? -well d e l u fifteen over would finish the music +well d e l u fifteen over would finish the music oh yes. why? i'm just trying to work out e m u oh yes. -fury at a +fury at a fury at a bad deed -outrage so twenty five over after one two poles drink here must be inn of course. +outrage so twenty five over after one two poles drink here must be inn of course. i one, n n, two poles. -so four down firstly doctor or surgeon every day gave treatment +so four down firstly doctor or surgeon every day gave treatment so it's either gonna be m d or d r isn't it? -if that's the doctor every day gave treatment well we're not having this forty four down get one off the point of advance line +if that's the doctor every day gave treatment well we're not having this forty four down get one off the point of advance line well, we're not having this oh yeah illness? the cool rips open the side,coo rips open the side -cool rips open the side +cool rips open the side coo rips -mm so it must be cool and rips +mm so it must be cool and rips well it can't be it hasn't got two e's look. oh. -oh no that's thirty five always set out in nepal +oh no that's thirty five always set out in nepal in nepal. -always set out in nepal, it must there's two e's. +always set out in nepal, it must there's two e's. ever everest everest in nepal. -ever e s t yes everest. -so twenty seven down hard sailors fear it +ever e s t yes everest. +so twenty seven down hard sailors fear it hard sailors fear it hard hard sailors -sailors fear it in the main +sailors fear it in the main that one yeah. -i mean i reckon that must i there cos whatever that is with a g at the end possible, could be i n g couldn't it? +i mean i reckon that must i there cos whatever that is with a g at the end possible, could be i n g couldn't it? iceberg. what is that one there?the -ing. -twenty six going easy +twenty six going easy ambling? could well be. -right, forty over provided the outcome provided what's thirty six down? -i'd i'd set off watery moves it must be i'd set +right, forty over provided the outcome provided what's thirty six down? +i'd i'd set off watery moves it must be i'd set i'd? yeah, very good. -thirty six so that must be g e d mustn't it? -provided the outcome, yes +thirty six so that must be g e d mustn't it? +provided the outcome, yes provided the outcome. and forty down, did we try that? -well forty down is proclaim point noun on english church +well forty down is proclaim point noun on english church it's a steeple, what do you call those very proclaim proclaim a point. -i thought of weather vane but of course it doesn't fit in so that's out. -the point on an english church, well nou no it's a noun on an english church, yeah it is. provided the outcome +i thought of weather vane but of course it doesn't fit in so that's out. +the point on an english church, well nou no it's a noun on an english church, yeah it is. provided the outcome supposing that a point i suppose is erm well it's north or south. yeah. or east or west. -oh right well what's thirty over? -same again ditto i should think. +oh right well what's thirty over? +same again ditto i should think. so nineteen down? -it's boring dancing outside -it's boring well that'll be an o blank s +it's boring dancing outside +it's boring well that'll be an o blank s well i think that's s, i mean i think that's encores, i mean er calls for repeat performances? well i should think so, yes. -calls so, well anyway the eighteen over is art with brie can produce a dish +calls so, well anyway the eighteen over is art with brie can produce a dish a dish well that's this one here look, erm, where have i got it? i've got it down somewhere here, r blank, here it is look brie it's r blank r and you've got a r e t b -r blank rarebit -rarebit good i thought the chef might get that one. +r blank rarebit +rarebit good i thought the chef might get that one. rarebit so nineteen er down again is nineteen down we have the t, it's boring dancing outside. it's boring -it's boring it's boring dancing outside. +it's boring it's boring dancing outside. b o u s won't it i should think -well i was i, i just said tiptoes. +well i was i, i just said tiptoes. oh tiptoes, it's boring -well twenty four over no it probably isn't that but what, what is twenty four over? -material flower in scotland +well twenty four over no it probably isn't that but what, what is twenty four over? +material flower in scotland in scotland. material tweed? @@ -4709,75 +4709,75 @@ don't see what it's got to do with a flower yes weed yeah. material flower -e d so -i mean i don't know but tedious -t e d i o u s well i mean why would that be? +e d so +i mean i don't know but tedious +t e d i o u s well i mean why would that be? i mean -it's boring dancing outside t e d +it's boring dancing outside t e d d i o u s yes yeah i don't see why the dancing outside. -well this is, this is what i'm wondering, unless it's something from say tedious it's boring and think of necessarily boring being tedious outside -yes look o u t s i d e +well this is, this is what i'm wondering, unless it's something from say tedious it's boring and think of necessarily boring being tedious outside +yes look o u t s i d e side oh yes. so it was an anagram really. yeah. so that's another u. and what is it again? -a social group with plenty of bread -plenty of bread crust upper crust -oh very good i like it. +a social group with plenty of bread +plenty of bread crust upper crust +oh very good i like it. yes, upper crust. -oh dear so we've got the two +oh dear so we've got the two we've got the two u's and we've got the c and the i, yes. upper crust. oh dear, right . -twenty four over well if that's gonna be an e, that, that ten down is thus it's safe to take it in thus it's safe eatable? +twenty four over well if that's gonna be an e, that, that ten down is thus it's safe to take it in thus it's safe eatable? thus well -if you say what's so +if you say what's so actually there is no such word as eatable come to think of it, it's edible. edible. yes it is isn't it? -that won't do, no,jack's pitch tar er so, right, so that's not wrong +that won't do, no,jack's pitch tar er so, right, so that's not wrong so what have we got there then? well it doesn't matter really. no. it's e blank t blank b blank e -blank e and what is it? -oh his studio look +blank e and what is it? +oh his studio look oh dear, thus it's safe to take it in it's safe to take it in? mhm. well i should think it will be a meal alright. -well well i suppose we could do the card couldn't we? +well well i suppose we could do the card couldn't we? i've got two letters to post anyway for jeremy. oh you haven't got that sorted out? -yes erm yeah i mean erm i, i've transferred a a hundred and fifty pounds to him. -so if he phones up i can say, you know it's on its way as it were. -so who's this is it? +yes erm yeah i mean erm i, i've transferred a a hundred and fifty pounds to him. +so if he phones up i can say, you know it's on its way as it were. +so who's this is it? and it's ? yes,oh you've just put, well i always put well they don't put it there do they? -yeah -erm right, i'll put the stamp on it and go and post +yeah +erm right, i'll put the stamp on it and go and post i hate these as it were things you know? mm -one lagging behind advertising screen show so that's where forty nine over trailer +one lagging behind advertising screen show so that's where forty nine over trailer do you think that could be stew pot? -wet post cut up for the cook and it's an anagram of wet post? +wet post cut up for the cook and it's an anagram of wet post? yes, stew pot. -now you d you went and interrupted me there and, and i've forgotten what i was saying which was right. +now you d you went and interrupted me there and, and i've forgotten what i was saying which was right. trailer for forty nine over. -is sure determined to get in first you get a trailer, you know +is sure determined to get in first you get a trailer, you know mm -so now and this is this one much like while i was taking time off +so now and this is this one much like while i was taking time off oh oh, what have you done? hello steve. ooh it isn't very often you wear oh mummy, i've finished -alright darling i'll t here you are let +alright darling i'll t here you are let it came off on the playing field and so there was no way i could find the little screw. oh it's okay. why not? @@ -4794,21 +4794,21 @@ there, alright then love? lovely thank you very much indeed. pop them back in to you i'll drop them in later -no i've got my other pair that i wear, you know +no i've got my other pair that i wear, you know bye bye terry drop it back terry. right. bye. you've heard from gavin i hear? -well yes, we did, we rang on tuesday, we had a bit of a trouble getting through, i think we rung about seven times before we got through but er he, well, well he didn't say anything to me, everything i asked him he said yes to, but steve +well yes, we did, we rang on tuesday, we had a bit of a trouble getting through, i think we rung about seven times before we got through but er he, well, well he didn't say anything to me, everything i asked him he said yes to, but steve he said the skiing was good, it was -yeah he said it's fantastic skiing, he mind the -he said it was lovely and hot at the top +yeah he said it's fantastic skiing, he mind the +he said it was lovely and hot at the top don't do it there love in case it comes up. -but he was in the middle of a restaurant he said and i can't, think he felt a bit awkward speaking +but he was in the middle of a restaurant he said and i can't, think he felt a bit awkward speaking yeah didn't say too much, you know. -well he told me off because he was out on the erm bank sledging, outside the hotel so i called him in. +well he told me off because he was out on the erm bank sledging, outside the hotel so i called him in. that didn't sound very nice but he sa he, he weren't homesick, he, i think it must be a nice place mm @@ -4820,7 +4820,7 @@ bye cheers terry bye bye -oh they've heard from gav well she phoned gavin yesterday apparently and he seems to be having a whale of a time. +oh they've heard from gav well she phoned gavin yesterday apparently and he seems to be having a whale of a time. good. he's not homesick. not really. @@ -4834,22 +4834,21 @@ oh very good. yes very good. well i hadn't got down to the r yet i hadn't reached with my alphabet. -forty eight down held in high esteem held in high esteem held in high esteem +forty eight down held in high esteem held in high esteem held in high esteem what's the nelson touch? you turn a blind eye isn't it? yes, where's that? -erm there, fifty -the nelson touch important if you fight like this +erm there, fifty +the nelson touch important if you fight like this what's forty eight down again, what was it? held in high esteem. i'm just wondering whether it's e d or e s, to fight like this. -that fifty seven is seep strangely and quietly in, quietly inside for furtive glimpses now it's quietly p isn't it? -so seeps strangely peeps peeps +that fifty seven is seep strangely and quietly in, quietly inside for furtive glimpses now it's quietly p isn't it? +so seeps strangely peeps peeps where do you get the other p from there? quietly inside. oh the p yes, true. so that's a p, which - this moist toilet tissue. oh very nice. you can have a drawer load of that cos we've got tons of it left. @@ -4872,11 +4871,11 @@ they're on before two. this is er bryan adams new song this is called please forgive me. on the trains everything's okay, there's a late flight at the airport, flight l o g nine seven three from guernsey, now coming in at five past two, so if you're rushing to meet that, there's no need cos it's not in for another twenty minutes, flight l o g nine seven three from guernsey now due in at five past two. on the motorways, motorway police say there's no problems there now, the earlier accident by junction twenty six is cleared so no problems northbound any more. -on the a six o nine road at woollaton there's resurfacing there between drive and drive. +on the a six o nine road at woollaton there's resurfacing there between drive and drive. on the a one, delays on the southbound carriageway three miles east of worksop at the appley head roundabout, five lane ends on the a one, there's roadworks there with a contraflow and diversions for wide vehicles, so there are delays there if you're heading that way. er work continuing in newark town centre with the closure of part of castlegate in the beesmarket hill area of the town, diversions there mean that delays are likely too. -road in toten, that's the a six double o five has got roadworks at the junction of lane, some delays in busy periods and the a fifty two, there's roadworks on the northbound carriageway at clifton bridge, there are diversions there for a fifty two traffic heading for drive as well, sort of weave your way in and out of all the cones that are up there, the the cone monster's been in the night. -we'll update the traffic for you throughout the afternoon and the full service at teatime, john on from half past four until seven o'clock later on. +road in toten, that's the a six double o five has got roadworks at the junction of lane, some delays in busy periods and the a fifty two, there's roadworks on the northbound carriageway at clifton bridge, there are diversions there for a fifty two traffic heading for drive as well, sort of weave your way in and out of all the cones that are up there, the the cone monster's been in the night. +we'll update the traffic for you throughout the afternoon and the full service at teatime, john on from half past four until seven o'clock later on. f m one o three point eight and ninety five point five, it's radio nottingham, nottinghamshire's favourite station. with the weather forecast for today to st annes and teresa, off you go. an thank you. @@ -4896,20 +4895,20 @@ er loot at lunchtime tomorrow ten to one quarter to oneish just after action lin er dennis this afternoon has got adam faith on on afternoon special. do ya remember him in er in budgie? he's er a financial whiz kid now isn't he as well adam faith so talking to dennis this afternoon on afternoon special. -john at teatime is talking to veteran d j paul about the best records of all time and musician edward who's playing at the old vic tonight, he's on as well. -seven o'clock tonight it's er radio nottingham sport and it's colin on tonight, and er john from ten until midnight with a behind the scenes look at this is your life with roy and john's talking to geoff as well who's er a painter of reproductions of art history. -cor,ten till midnight with john . +john at teatime is talking to veteran d j paul about the best records of all time and musician edward who's playing at the old vic tonight, he's on as well. +seven o'clock tonight it's er radio nottingham sport and it's colin on tonight, and er john from ten until midnight with a behind the scenes look at this is your life with roy and john's talking to geoff as well who's er a painter of reproductions of art history. +cor,ten till midnight with john . it's become a nottinghamshire's favourite now. -a bit of a a super wasn't it? -marie osmond before that and paper roses it's radio nottingham eight minutes to two now, kids' county for today, these'll be the clues for it. +a bit of a a super wasn't it? +marie osmond before that and paper roses it's radio nottingham eight minutes to two now, kids' county for today, these'll be the clues for it. where do we need here? it's it's very busy every day. there's shops there. there's free cafeterias. -we know it's not the queen's medical centre, the victoria centre or street, +we know it's not the queen's medical centre, the victoria centre or street, people come in and out. there's a clock. -and it's not street or the four seasons' centre either. +and it's not street or the four seasons' centre either. trudy's on from calverton. hello. hello. @@ -4918,12 +4917,12 @@ i'm fine, fine . well good. at last somebody who's on without a face as long as a fiddle. well thank goodness for that . -i was just falling asleep actually listening to the music, it was you know you just listen to the radio . +i was just falling asleep actually listening to the music, it was you know you just listen to the radio . what those two seventies one , marie osmond yes i paper roses, was that number one? i don't know . -no , number two, number two in november nineteen seventy three . +no , number two, number two in november nineteen seventy three . i'm not gonna tell you cos i'll be showing my age then . well that was twenty years ago that was . and then er the mud one was nineteen seventy five. @@ -4933,16 +4932,16 @@ yeah. can you remember them on top of the pops and that dance where they used to sort out walk round in circles but not yeah. do you remember it? -actually i've been watching erm i go i've got sky television and the top of the pops is on there +actually i've been watching erm i go i've got sky television and the top of the pops is on there you see the old ones? -god feel old. -i've watched those as well you think that? +god feel old. +i've watched those as well you think that? i know and james ke my little boy keeps saying,what was it like in the olden days ? does he? and what's he mean what about nineteen eighty? yeah. -he says it's like that. -did they have cars in your day ? +he says it's like that. +did they have cars in your day ? no. no we just had jimmy savile didn't we? yeah @@ -4953,7 +4952,7 @@ pan's people as well don't they yeah pan's people it's all videos nowadays int it? well it is these days. -all these video satellites +all these video satellites and they call it and they call it progress. yeah. and erm on some of those er there was a whole spate of songs that were really naff dancers weren't there as well? @@ -5064,7 +5063,7 @@ oh well very bradmore thing is to have a buffet supper. oh no . who are who are all these people then that you've got coming round, trekking around the place? -erm well they're colleagues of mine, i work at the so these are colleagues of mine who are coming around +erm well they're colleagues of mine, i work at the so these are colleagues of mine who are coming around oh i see. t it's about twenty of them so i'm quite looking forward to it. an and what do you do then at the ? @@ -5078,7 +5077,7 @@ and also we'll give you an i lost it at lunchtime ex radio virgin certificate as oh brilliant, thank and you very much indeed that's great. -and you'll be pleased to know that because we've waffled on for so much we'll have to save the county's peculiar pastimes until tomorrow, +and you'll be pleased to know that because we've waffled on for so much we'll have to save the county's peculiar pastimes until tomorrow, because i've i've not got time now,been gabbing on for so much. tarrah. sorry about that, right geoff bye . @@ -5089,7 +5088,7 @@ radio nottingham news with andy . kent police say at least ten people have been killed and a further two are believed to have died in a coach crash on the m two near the faversham turn-off. the coach carrying forty four american tourists on a day trip to canterbury collided with a van and plunged down an embankment. dozens of other people were injured. -from the scene, martin reports. +from the scene, martin reports. the stricken coach now stands on the hard shoulder of the m two having been lifted up the embankment by a heavy crane. when the vehicle was righted the full horror of this accident became clear. rescuers found ten bodies. @@ -5097,26 +5096,26 @@ at the height of the rescue operation up to forty five firemen equipped with hea those that survived the crash were ferried to the kent and canterbury hospital in a fleet of ambulances. police accident investigators are at the scene trying to piece together why a day trip to canterbury and leeds castle near maidstone for a group of american tourists ended in tragedy. the m two motorway remains closed between junctions five and six and is not expected to reopen for several hours. -eye witness richard was driving behind the coach when the accident happened. +eye witness richard was driving behind the coach when the accident happened. he describes the scene. you see the coach come to a standstill and then all the people screaming and trying to get out so i pulled over and just sort of done my best to get 'em out. and what were you able to do? well not a lot really,like just getting people up on the bank for the ambulances to pick 'em up from the motorway. police have issued an emergency telephone number for relat for relatives seeking information about the accident, it's , that's . there's been another jobs blow in nottinghamshire with the news that staythorpe power station is to close with the loss of 124 posts. -it follows 's decision to replace the coal-fired station near newark with a gas one. +it follows 's decision to replace the coal-fired station near newark with a gas one. the sherwood mp says thousands more generating jobs will be lost in the next five years. -nigel reports. +nigel reports. say the increase in gas-fired power stations means traditional coal ones are becoming surplus to requirements. production will stop at staythorpe at the end of march next year. say they're not worried by the decision. coal from welbeck is used at staythorpe but the coal board say its closure has already been taken into account. -paddy the sherwood mp is less optimistic. +paddy the sherwood mp is less optimistic. he predicts more job losses which will hit the coal industry hard. there are twenty six er coal-fired power stations now, i believe they'll be down to ten within the next three years, and i think in the electricity generating industry another ten thousand jobs could go. he's also sceptical about the construction of a gas-fired power station at staythorpe. -he says the government might have given approval but questions whether are committed to bringing a new nottinghamshire power station on stream. -and 's dismissed a speculation claims that it wants to increase redundancy payments to miners at calverton pit by seven thousand pounds. +he says the government might have given approval but questions whether are committed to bringing a new nottinghamshire power station on stream. +and 's dismissed a speculation claims that it wants to increase redundancy payments to miners at calverton pit by seven thousand pounds. there are claims that it's an attempt to change miners' minds about a decision last week to fight to save their pit. the governor of hong kong, chris patten, has met a cabinet committee to discuss the future of the colony. afterwards, the foreign secretary, douglas hurd, said britain would propose that talks moved into a more intensive phase to resolve outstanding issues. @@ -5125,14 +5124,14 @@ there's still no sign of the rampton special hospital patient who went missing w hospital authorities are warning the public not to approach the man but they're refusing to say anything about his background. they say to do so would be a breach of health service rules of confidentiality. here's paula . -forty two year old terence ran off while he was out shopping with another patient and two rampton staff members. +forty two year old terence ran off while he was out shopping with another patient and two rampton staff members. rampton is overseen by the special hospital services authority. -today they said mr had been a patient there since nineteen eighty nine but refused to reveal more about his background. -they said it would breach n h s codes of confidentiality but that they would review this decision if mr was still missing later today. +today they said mr had been a patient there since nineteen eighty nine but refused to reveal more about his background. +they said it would breach n h s codes of confidentiality but that they would review this decision if mr was still missing later today. they're warning the public not to approach him. he's five foot ten, of medium build and has short dark brown receding hair. he was wearing horn rimmed glasses and a white three quarter length anorak. -shares in had to be suspended on the paris stock exchange collapsing after the company announced a massive loss. +shares in had to be suspended on the paris stock exchange collapsing after the company announced a massive loss. the leisure park lost around six hundred and fifteen million pounds in the year to september, that's around four million pounds a week. there have been complaints about the cost of holidays at . the weather, dry weather should slowly spread from the west this afternoon, maximum temperatures up to nine celsius, forty eight fahrenheit. @@ -5167,15 +5166,15 @@ so there you go, you can have the video john virgo's playing for laughs. and the brand new video that's just in the shops, i think today is the first day in the shops, called portrait of a city, nottingham nineteen ninety three. now i've done the narration for that and that video is a hundred and twelve action packed minutes about nottingham in nineteen ninety three. that's in the shops today and you can win that video, you can win that video this afternoon. -and incidentally er about that video, can't tell you where you can them on the air but if you want to know where you can get portrait of a city, if you ring us on we'll tell you. +and incidentally er about that video, can't tell you where you can them on the air but if you want to know where you can get portrait of a city, if you ring us on we'll tell you. well describing all those super videos er worked the oracle. we're now full so we'll play the game guess the voice after this one from sonny and cher. all i ever need is you from sonny and cher. -well we've got the eight contestants we'll play the game, it's guess the voice and there's some super videos on offer and er it's guess the voice of the funny man, good videos on offer, grenville granville of mansfield woodhouse. +well we've got the eight contestants we'll play the game, it's guess the voice and there's some super videos on offer and er it's guess the voice of the funny man, good videos on offer, grenville granville of mansfield woodhouse. hello . hello. tell me the voice of this funny man and you could win a video. -they er di the strange thing about the critics is it's a theatre town and being like er nottingham has been made m much more so by the the money that's been spent on the theatre as in norwich. +they er di the strange thing about the critics is it's a theatre town and being like er nottingham has been made m much more so by the the money that's been spent on the theatre as in norwich. now southsea, not a theatre town, but i've played there many times before, arrived there is a large advance and advance for people that don't know is the money that's being paid over the weeks before when they hear this production is going there. let me tell you he does a lot on television in sitcoms er a lot of films as well, comic actor, funny man, who is he? is it norman wisdom? @@ -5185,7 +5184,7 @@ sorry. alright thanks . sorry , thanks for trying. cheers. -shirley of +shirley of aspley. aspley. yeah. @@ -5195,12 +5194,12 @@ you've go a f out of bread? mm. i don't think s er erm i don't think so. no. -er s so many have been in you know so many have been in bread i don't actually, i don't +er s so many have been in you know so many have been in bread i don't actually, i don't play it again. again? yeah. oh. -they er d the strange thing about the critics is it's a theatre town and being like er nottingham has been made m much more so by the the money that's been spent on the theatre as in norwich. +they er d the strange thing about the critics is it's a theatre town and being like er nottingham has been made m much more so by the the money that's been spent on the theatre as in norwich. now southsea, not a theatre town, but i've played there many times before, arrived there is a large advance and advance for people that don't know is the money that's being paid over the weeks before when they hear this production is going there. what do you think? erm is it dougie brown? @@ -5208,12 +5207,12 @@ dougie brown? mm. oh dougie brown, no it's not dougie brown shirley . oh. -okay +okay for having a bash though. right, thank you. bye love. bye. -derek of wigston. +derek of wigston. yes good afternoon. what do you think derek? er simon callow is it? @@ -5223,7 +5222,7 @@ no?thank you. sorry. right, bye. erm er that nature i think but er not simon callow. -david of sherwood. +david of sherwood. hi dennis. what do you think david? ooh i've been listening really carefully an i i can't even have a hazard a guess at this one. @@ -5235,7 +5234,7 @@ oh alright , oh alright, thanks for trying. cheers. bye. bye. -barbara of burton on the wolds. +barbara of burton on the wolds. no it's no good dennis i heard it last week. i was hoping somebody'd get it. oh. @@ -5247,7 +5246,7 @@ it will do. of course it will. you know when you know. yes. -erm erm +erm erm have we got any clues? well other than you know he's he does a lot of television sitcoms, yeah @@ -5258,11 +5257,11 @@ no. thanks barbara . thank you. bye love. -cynthia of great . +cynthia of great . hello. er i'm a bit like the other lady i've no idea either. have you not? -no i was hoping it would be won as well. +no i was hoping it would be won as well. no ideas? none whatsoever. no i'm sorry . @@ -5272,7 +5271,7 @@ okay. thank you. thanks bye bye . bye. -oh dear, erm kay of woodhorse park. +oh dear, erm kay of woodhorse park. hello. you know don't you? i don't. @@ -5291,9 +5290,9 @@ bye love. well well there you are then. er i think we've got one more contestant and then that's it. just one more bash at this one. -they er d the strange thing about the critics is it's a theatre town and being like er nottingham has been made m much more so by the the money that's been spent on the theatre as in norwich. +they er d the strange thing about the critics is it's a theatre town and being like er nottingham has been made m much more so by the the money that's been spent on the theatre as in norwich. now southsea, not a theatre town, but i've played there many times before, arrived there is a large advance and advance for people that don't know is the money that's being paid over the weeks before when they hear this production is going there. -martin of swadlingcote. +martin of swadlingcote. who's that? how are you dennis? not bad. @@ -5316,7 +5315,7 @@ we got all these lovely videos to win. oh. every time i get on it's always the same. well,some someone's got it by post. -erm i'm struggling. +erm i'm struggling. i can tell. erm no good is it? @@ -5333,7 +5332,7 @@ i'm a bit surprised cos we have got some answers by post, let's see if we can ge postcards please to funny man,, derby, leicester, lincoln or nottingham, whichever is closest to you. postcards to be here by wednesday next week when again we'll have, all being well, our funny man competition. and this is the voice you have to identify. -they er d the strange thing about the critics is it's a theatre town and being like er nottingham has been made m much more so by the the money that's been spent on the theatre as in norwich. +they er d the strange thing about the critics is it's a theatre town and being like er nottingham has been made m much more so by the the money that's been spent on the theatre as in norwich. now southsea, not a theatre town, but i've played there many times before, arrived there is a large advance and advance for people that don't know is the money that's being paid over the weeks before when they hear this production is going there. who's that? funny man, comic actor, good 'un too. @@ -5359,17 +5358,17 @@ er nice event at er kirkby in ashfield, on thursday, that's er ooh it's tomorrow it's tomorrow at kirkby in ashfield. what it is it's the kirkby fund-raisers and rotary club of kirkby in ashfield and they're presenting a flower demonstration, always very popular. this one by an excellent flower demonstrator called ian . -now ian is putting on this flower demonstration show, it's called from me to you. +now ian is putting on this flower demonstration show, it's called from me to you. it'll be lovely, it's tomorrow, seven thirty at the festival hall, kirkby in ashfield, all the proceeds are to local charities and the admission is two pounds fifty, and that includes refreshments. if you would like two tickets, call us now on . -in fact you won't be able to get through right now but keep on calling, that's and we'll send you a pair of tickets, we need your postcode and we'll send 'em first class. -a flower demonstration called from me to you by ian tomorrow, seven for seven thirty tomorrow at the festival hall, kirkby in ashfield, nottingham, two pounds fifty and that includes refreshments. +in fact you won't be able to get through right now but keep on calling, that's and we'll send you a pair of tickets, we need your postcode and we'll send 'em first class. +a flower demonstration called from me to you by ian tomorrow, seven for seven thirty tomorrow at the festival hall, kirkby in ashfield, nottingham, two pounds fifty and that includes refreshments. for sale, two tickets for the ted heath concert this friday at the royal concert hall in nottingham. e they want ten pounds each. they were twelve pounds fifty each. phone . okay, two tickets for sale for the ted heath concert, this friday at the royal concert hall in nottingham, they were twelve pounds fifty each, you can have the two tickets for ten pounds each, call ,. -henry of allenton. +henry of allenton. yes dennis. yes henry. hello. @@ -5386,17 +5385,17 @@ have you told 'em? pardon? have you told them? have you told the authorities? -yes, we've been the channels, been been right through to street lighting itself +yes, we've been the channels, been been right through to street lighting itself yeah, actually it's highways, isn't it? highways department. . -no i no can't understand this,be be been to the city council, highways council and now we we've ended up with the erm electricity board. +no i no can't understand this,be be been to the city council, highways council and now we we've ended up with the erm electricity board. sh i rang er my lo local councillor an h he looked into it,an he said, er it's in the hands now of the electricity board. -now you see we're being modernized in this area, now they're old steel houses in allenton, about five hundred of 'em +now you see we're being modernized in this area, now they're old steel houses in allenton, about five hundred of 'em yeah. now they've been digging up the garden to make a channel for all electricity to go underground you see. so something happened there at that house, we told 'em the house number, where the lamp's situated, we gave 'em all the information they they need but we still can't get any response. -we've all been telephoning there's about twelve of us it effects. +we've all been telephoning there's about twelve of us it effects. i've made about si six calls. you can't get anybody to come down to see about it. i'm surprised that er call to the local councillor didn't work. @@ -5406,7 +5405,7 @@ yeah. is it causing, is there any danger? pardon? is there danger with the light off? -well no oh yes it is danger , you see now see now the path around here,th they're laying a new new path. +well no oh yes it is danger , you see now see now the path around here,th they're laying a new new path. cos it wanted laying er now they've put the rough stuff down but when they put it down they left er about say inch er drop you know so er if you can't see where you're walking, especially strangers they're gonna tipple over. they're gonna trip up you see. cos we know it's there, so we we miss it. @@ -5416,7 +5415,7 @@ mm. because we we run a a neighbourhood watch scheme. and how can we run our do our job like that without a lamp? there's only about three in the street. -now one one of those at the top of the street where er where the er is,you can say virtually th about one one lamp in the street. +now one one of those at the top of the street where er where the er is,you can say virtually th about one one lamp in the street. well what can we do? how how do we go on now, who do we call now,anybody interested in the job. erm, well allenton. @@ -5425,7 +5424,7 @@ all we can ask is if there's a councillor for allenton listening to us, if they i do know that street lighting is the very devil, cos it can come under about half a dozen different departments, it can come under highways, yes. but it can also come under electricity board if it's a failure of the electricity. -yes you're quite right there because part of the street,the pavement and hard standing in the gardens for the cars which was a very good idea, now there's the city have done two thirds of that and then when they came to the end of the er cul-de- sac, +yes you're quite right there because part of the street,the pavement and hard standing in the gardens for the cars which was a very good idea, now there's the city have done two thirds of that and then when they came to the end of the er cul-de- sac, mm. but as you say you know with this neighbourhood watch scheme you do need the lighting on properly don't you? yeah we do we can't do our job without. @@ -5435,7 +5434,7 @@ yeah. have you have you ever seen anybody acting in a suspicious manner? oh not yet, apart apart from you of course? -no no i i ca can see er most of cos i'm i'm in the area where the er lamps sh when the lamps are alight, +no no i i ca can see er most of cos i'm i'm in the area where the er lamps sh when the lamps are alight, yeah i can see anyone w lurking around you see. oh i see. @@ -5443,7 +5442,7 @@ but with a lamp out well we can't tell whether they're no-gooders, neighbours or you see we can't tell. alright okay. well if th if there's somebody whose listening in the derby area who can help us with a street lamp that's out and it's rather important that it get put on, and it's been out for six weeks now -six weeks +six weeks six weeks long time. alright. anybody calls henry we'll put 'em through to you. @@ -5456,13 +5455,13 @@ rather important that one you know, a street lamp out for six weeks, though i kn but a councillor for allenton please call us,. i know how keen many of our listeners are on craft shows and there's a big 'un at nottingham university at the jessie boot conference centre, nottingham university on friday and saturday, november the twenty six and twenty seventh so this is in a couple of weeks time and giving you n advance notice. there are christmas gifts galore, and there's it's a big it's a big craft show put on by some good people. -so the craft show, er adults are a pound, there's easy free parking, children are free and if you want two tickets give us a ring , but make a note nottingham university, this craft show, jessie conference centre, nottingham university, friday and saturday november the twenty six and twenty seventh from ten a m till six p m. +so the craft show, er adults are a pound, there's easy free parking, children are free and if you want two tickets give us a ring , but make a note nottingham university, this craft show, jessie conference centre, nottingham university, friday and saturday november the twenty six and twenty seventh from ten a m till six p m. friday it's noon till nine. anyway there y are, big craft fair and er pound a ticket this craft fair, november twenty six, twenty seventh, nottingham university, call us on , we'll send you a ticket first class we will. -jean of nuneaton. +jean of nuneaton. jean. ah. -vicky of skegness. +vicky of skegness. that's right, yes . yes vicky. hello dennis. @@ -5470,7 +5469,7 @@ hello. i spoke to you on monday, er i think probably you remember regarding bosnia, collec collecting things for bosnia and that's right. -taking them to road? +taking them to road? that's right. now yes. @@ -5483,13 +5482,13 @@ you silly old bat. don't say that. what have you done vicky? oh i know . -do you mean to say that everybody's taken them to road? -well +do you mean to say that everybody's taken them to road? +well oh my gosh what have you done? oh vicky you've upset the whole system, everything's broken down . oh no. -i shall be flying round there with my boxes to collect them . -could they please take them to er ah one six two +i shall be flying round there with my boxes to collect them . +could they please take them to er ah one six two you said one three two. i did. i did dennis. @@ -5498,14 +5497,14 @@ what poor soul has been taking stuff in for bosnia ? i do oh you stupid girl. well i do hope that people are that interested to want to take things anyway dennis i mean, you know. -well no but oh. +well no but oh. not not there i agree,no . there could be grand pianos, campers, -oh, oh +oh, oh buckets of coal, everything , -you're +you're coconuts -you're very optimistic yeah . +you're very optimistic yeah . oh de what have you done? oh mm you've ruined the whole @@ -5514,7 +5513,7 @@ how could you be like that? oh dear yes well mm. there are people around like me i suppose, not many thank goodness. -no i'll thank you for the confidence no . +no i'll thank you for the confidence no . so where do they g are you gonna go round to a hundred and thirty two and say sorry ? yes my husband my husband has actually been round. oh you are married? @@ -5524,20 +5523,20 @@ i am married yes. and you've kept your husband? somebody wants me. yeah and you've kept your husband, i'm surprised . -yeah +yeah i'm surprised. it's not your first is it? yes it is actually yeah . -it's your first it's your first is it? +it's your first it's your first is it? twenty six years dennis,. never. poor soul he deserves a medal. oh oh god,i hope he isn't listening. so it's what, it's a hundred and sixty two? it's a hundred and sixty two to a hundred and -oh dear -sixty four road. -he has put a note through the door but unfortunately the people were out you see so +oh dear +sixty four road. +he has put a note through the door but unfortunately the people were out you see so oh at hundred and thirty two? they're the ones with the grand piano in the front garden. oh well we'll look out for that. @@ -5550,7 +5549,7 @@ er no, i had one er i put the phone down from you which was er it was very defla really? yeah i did, come on the phone which you know wh breathing heavy and everything? -well and er let's say everything but that yes and +well and er let's say everything but that yes and oh and was he interesting, what did he say? i'm not telling you dennis. why not? @@ -5566,7 +5565,7 @@ no. she had this pervert on and he was going on all through everything you know what i mean? right the lot yeah . that's right. -and at the end of it she said i'm sorry could you say that again? +and at the end of it she said i'm sorry could you say that again? oh n over so he screamed and put the phone down. oh no ,i'll remember that one. @@ -5587,17 +5586,17 @@ and they don't normally give to anywhere, because nobody ever asks. n yeah. and this was the one opportunity and all you got was one pervert ringing you up . yeah. -i mean i was given +i mean i was given oh about t yeah he's rang since twice dennis. has he? oh yeah. again about half a hour ago. -erm but er i had this very little lady who +erm but er i had this very little lady who he's ill of course he's ill you know that ? pardon? i mean be sorry for him. -oh mm . +oh mm . he is ill. he is ill. he is ill. @@ -5606,7 +5605,7 @@ he is ill. poor soul. erm yeah fair enough dennis. but you know er i was living in hope that the phone wouldn't stop ringing erm etcetera. -but erm there is still time isn't there for +but erm there is still time isn't there for no not if if didn't work if it didn't work once it won't work again. it's obvious that the people of skegness do not want to give. mhm. @@ -5620,7 +5619,7 @@ possibility dennis . possibility. in that case have you time for me to go over it again in case anyone's listening to oh no not you. -ah no +ah no no cos oh no. oh no cos you give wrong addresses you do. oh no. @@ -5629,18 +5628,18 @@ i know i promise i wouldn't honest . oh what do you mean you promise, you promised last time you'd get it right and you didn't. ah vicky you're hopeless at this . -oh you're +oh you're let's face it. with confidence you are . listen, let's face it. a a at raising interest in bosnia you vicky are hopeless . -oh god . +oh god . hopeless, what is the point of carrying on? why don't you just do your normal job, scrubbing the front doorstep, looking after your husband's breakfast -isn't it doing the washing and ironing and ye oh , i ho i hope everybody proves you wrong dennis and the phone +isn't it doing the washing and ironing and ye oh , i ho i hope everybody proves you wrong dennis and the phone well they won't no they won't they won't. they won't and -you leave it to one sixty two one six four road,in skegness. +you leave it to one sixty two one six four road,in skegness. i shall say it again just in i'll bet you ma you probably get that pervert ringing now. yeah. @@ -5660,7 +5659,7 @@ i never thought i me? never thought i'd get down to this level. really didn't. -it's talking me it's my influence . +it's talking me it's my influence . i know obviously obviously. now let's get right, you are collecting things for bosnia? yes dennis . @@ -5677,11 +5676,11 @@ pardon? what did he look like, the one you sent off? bald-headed, your husband's got hair. -he's not +he's not you told me last time. . my gosh, you've sent off the wrong husband. -you know you're getting me a name for myself and there might be somebody listening you never know . +you know you're getting me a name for myself and there might be somebody listening you never know . well if there is this time maybe it'll work. wh go on n what do you want for bosnia. @@ -5691,27 +5690,27 @@ and then you're gonna take 'em into derbyshire and then they're gonna go to bosn they're going to be collected alright i'm gonna meet them halfway actually between here and derbyshire erm at the end of november beginning of december and they are actually going, the last lorry leaves derbyshire on the tenth of what a time i had on that , it was wonderful. that's right. -and i remember at the time, i was chasing you over a most ridiculous national press story that emlyn didn't like the idea of you a pop singer appearing in one of his classics. +and i remember at the time, i was chasing you over a most ridiculous national press story that emlyn didn't like the idea of you a pop singer appearing in one of his classics. it was all a manufactured story it was all a load of nonsense and you've certainly proved over the last twenty five years how ridiculous whoever started that story was. well it was a good story i suppose. yeah having worked in newspapers er for two or three years i n i now know that the er what you look, well i didn't look for cos i was on the business page, what people look for is a good story and it doesn't necessarily relate to what's going on. -yeah you you you sort of set off several legends in your lifetime adam erm le let's just er either destroy or establish one legend. +yeah you you you sort of set off several legends in your lifetime adam erm le let's just er either destroy or establish one legend. go on then. that you have a table in a very posh hotel in london and you run your business from that table. how true is that? -well i used to run my business from the teashop in and i ha they put phones and everything in for at the corner table. -er but when they changed the room round i moved to the because and i became a director of the for a while fo three f four years something like that. -erm but i've had to give it all up because i'm too busy, so i don't run it from anywhere now, but for the last er four or five years it's been from the hotel. -you actually had a table at the hotel? +well i used to run my business from the teashop in and i ha they put phones and everything in for at the corner table. +er but when they changed the room round i moved to the because and i became a director of the for a while fo three f four years something like that. +erm but i've had to give it all up because i'm too busy, so i don't run it from anywhere now, but for the last er four or five years it's been from the hotel. +you actually had a table at the hotel? yeah. why didn't you have an office, a plush office somewhere? well i don't like office , i love hotels and i think having meetings in a hotel's more civilized than sitting in an office. but you got people staring at you, you got people s coming up to you and saying, didn't you used to be adam faith? that's alright, i don't mind that. i'm f used to that now after a few years. -the legitimate er side of adam faith did begin didn't it with ? +the legitimate er side of adam faith did begin didn't it with ? was my first stage play that i ever did. with dame sybil , yeah. @@ -5723,18 +5722,18 @@ she was er i mean was a pop s ex pop singer, i'd only just stopped singing a few she was wonderful. you done some great stuff in the acting world haven't you, i mean you must be very proud of some of the stuff . i've had some marvellous parts to play, yeah. -budgie was a great part and i loved playing frank carver in love hurts erm and i didn't when when i was asked to do i , well w actually i it wasn't a series, the writers and i were put together by a man called alan who's now my partner in alfie as well he's and he asked me why wasn't i working and would he would i mind being put together with the two writers. -he arranged all that and out of the conversation at the er out came love hurts. +budgie was a great part and i loved playing frank carver in love hurts erm and i didn't when when i was asked to do i , well w actually i it wasn't a series, the writers and i were put together by a man called alan who's now my partner in alfie as well he's and he asked me why wasn't i working and would he would i mind being put together with the two writers. +he arranged all that and out of the conversation at the er out came love hurts. and i never r expected it to be anything like the end result, i mean the reaction to it's been fantastic in the last two years. as i said we can talk about half a dozen adam faiths. the pop singer is interesting and er l er we've got a record,i it could be the best of adam faith and i think every track is practically worn out. they really were superb commercial happy songs weren't they? -well you know it was one of those happy combinations of johnny writing them, john coming with those fresh arrangements and me sort of the naivety and the joy of being in the business, it was so exciting and happy that it was one of those lucky things where the combination of the three of us worked. +well you know it was one of those happy combinations of johnny writing them, john coming with those fresh arrangements and me sort of the naivety and the joy of being in the business, it was so exciting and happy that it was one of those lucky things where the combination of the three of us worked. that about twenty songs on the l p we've got and i think they all sold a million ah they were all big sellers or more . they were and they were all hits and it was a great period. -and nobody ever said,baby like you did . +and nobody ever said,baby like you did . yeah it was it was er you know it's it's er just one of those happy things in life where everything seemed to work great. but why did you stop? why did you stop singing that way ? @@ -5745,23 +5744,23 @@ er i'd always wanted to act even as a kid of fifteen sixteen er and i got into s but you must you must have been asked dozens of times to go back into the pop concert field? i have, i've been asked a lot in the last twenty odd years and it's only just recently that i've seriously considered it, which is why i've made this new album, midnight postcards. erm and that's really been coming on for about five years. -a friend of mine dave who wrote half the album with me and produced the album has been on at me for five years, come on let's make an album, let's make an album, let's make an album, making a, let's make an album er and a few record companies have come on and they've always wanted me to do an album like maybe, let's prepackage old sixties' songs and revise them, or let's do love themes from t v shows and which would never have interested me, so i said to dave, you know when a record company comes with an offer to make an album, to do the album i wanna do then we'll do one. -and came this year and said, come on do this album. +a friend of mine dave who wrote half the album with me and produced the album has been on at me for five years, come on let's make an album, let's make an album, let's make an album, making a, let's make an album er and a few record companies have come on and they've always wanted me to do an album like maybe, let's prepackage old sixties' songs and revise them, or let's do love themes from t v shows and which would never have interested me, so i said to dave, you know when a record company comes with an offer to make an album, to do the album i wanna do then we'll do one. +and came this year and said, come on do this album. it sounds as though y you you weren't heavily managed as a pop singer. it sounds as though you did the things you wanted to do. yeah well i've always done that, you know for good or worse. er i've always er, i don't think i e i b th whenever i've been unhappy with work it's been work that i've allowed myself to do for ulterior motives, for money or whatever i m the things i've done er even th the things that have been unsuccessful th if i've wanted to do them, i've been able to live with that. you do realize though that there must have been some people who were saddened by the fact you didn't continue your pop career? -c i hope they're so saddened that they threw now they'll go out and buy it. +c i hope they're so saddened that they threw now they'll go out and buy it. alright but i mean,ge genuinely er yeah i genuinely look all i can say about this new album is if i'd have continued recording for the last twenty odd years and had a sustained recording career like cliff continued singing, this would have been the album that i would've ended up doing anyway. so in a sense, although i haven't recorded in the meantime, i st i still would have ended up in the same place. cos this is the album of music the sort of music i would wanna listen to and i like s performing. how did adam faith the businessman happen? -that corner at the hotel? -well er ha you know i found myself after budgie managing a singer called leo and that led to a lot of interesting business and getting involved an , and i sort of forgot adam faith for ten years and just got diverted really. +that corner at the hotel? +well er ha you know i found myself after budgie managing a singer called leo and that led to a lot of interesting business and getting involved an , and i sort of forgot adam faith for ten years and just got diverted really. and i'd had a car crash and it was quite a relief not to have to worry about performing. -and i sort of started to get itchy feet to come back and do things in the early eighties and that's when i went to liverpool, i did a play with, i did alfie with alan who just directed the commitments and er we went to a b and that really got me fired up to start again, and i sort of did some theatre stuff through the bits and pieces through the eighties until love hurts came. +and i sort of started to get itchy feet to come back and do things in the early eighties and that's when i went to liverpool, i did a play with, i did alfie with alan who just directed the commitments and er we went to a b and that really got me fired up to start again, and i sort of did some theatre stuff through the bits and pieces through the eighties until love hurts came. i turned down a couple of t v series cos i didn't feel i was right for them. and just love hurts just seemed to fit, just right like a glove, i wanted to do it. so when the boys and i met and they said over tea i th , well why don't we do something about a love affair, it just seemed right. @@ -5779,7 +5778,7 @@ i lo i love the commitment of it, the total hundred per cent commitment of actin and in a way that's how i approached this album, it's how i will approach alfie when we come you know it's it's a wonderful passion. and i missed that in the seventies and eighties, and my wife said you know you're mad, towards the late eighties she told me off, she said you're mad, you'll spend your life looking for something that you've already got, for god's sake just concentrate on what you r are, you're an actor, do that, perform. when you were -and it was a you know it was a great happiness and release to shed a million other activities and flying in all directions thinking the acting wasn't enough and i wasn't enough for acting. +and it was a you know it was a great happiness and release to shed a million other activities and flying in all directions thinking the acting wasn't enough and i wasn't enough for acting. and this last two or three years i've s i've become to realize that how important acting and performing is to me, and h how much more there is to do in it. but when you were a pop singer were you happy as a pop singer? i was happy as pop singer, the last couple of years i wasn't happy when i ceased to be a pop singer and i was er headed on a road of being an entertainer. @@ -5800,7 +5799,7 @@ what do you want you know was the shortest number one in history. one yeah. thirty two or something. -and tim told me it was in the guinness book of records. +and tim told me it was in the guinness book of records. this is the shortest number one. just that one most cost effective number one ever recorded. @@ -5810,7 +5809,7 @@ and it becomes number one, and it makes a lot of money for everybody and it make yeah. one minute thirty two seconds . i know. -from micky who's one of the most successful record pro producers that has ever been, he said if you haven't got an audience in the first thirty seconds you ain't got the audience. +from micky who's one of the most successful record pro producers that has ever been, he said if you haven't got an audience in the first thirty seconds you ain't got the audience. yeah but you usually do it in ten seconds. yeah. @@ -5820,13 +5819,13 @@ yeah. and they were really just yours. you didn't seem to copy anybody, er a lot of people copied you of course, but you -well i didn't know anything about any none of us knew anything about anybody in those days, cos it was so early on in the, and we weren't, i was influenced more by people like blues er black blues singers, american blues singers like muddy and lightning , all those old blues,, er they were the heroes for me that i grew up with playing skiffle and and then lonnie became my first lonnie became by first hero and i er modelled a lot of my early singing on lonnie. +well i didn't know anything about any none of us knew anything about anybody in those days, cos it was so early on in the, and we weren't, i was influenced more by people like blues er black blues singers, american blues singers like muddy and lightning , all those old blues,, er they were the heroes for me that i grew up with playing skiffle and and then lonnie became my first lonnie became by first hero and i er modelled a lot of my early singing on lonnie. and then when i came to what do you want it was like an whole new world had opened up to me. it's exciting. couldn't ha taken too long to learn at one minute thirty two seconds and no. two minutes twelve seconds could they ? -it didn't take a lot of learning . +it didn't take a lot of learning . but you had to get every word right of course. yeah. there weren't many words in one minute thirty two seconds . @@ -5837,8 +5836,8 @@ yeah. well i think i had more problems when i was making films as a pop singer, because i was still pop singing as well and it was difficult to disassociate the two. when i decided to cut myself off totally and become an actor, it started to get easier. and that four years in rep, i sort of basically learn , i learnt the basics of the trade. -and i think if any performers know any where they may find problems is if they're still very much involved in the music industry, because it becomes a sort of er a diversionary activity. -it's a full time commitment er t and you if you are very if if you are er like say it's so all the time, it's difficult for her then to cease to be that, to be somebody else. +and i think if any performers know any where they may find problems is if they're still very much involved in the music industry, because it becomes a sort of er a diversionary activity. +it's a full time commitment er t and you if you are very if if you are er like say it's so all the time, it's difficult for her then to cease to be that, to be somebody else. so she would have to she was to given up her career in acting, she may have to take a view and give up singing totally for a while. just so she can change her perception of it all. you see it's quite difficult. @@ -5885,18 +5884,18 @@ alright. let's talk about alfie. erm is it the film on stage? no, it's definitely not the film on stage. -er mike said in his autobiography that when they got the play and converted it to film, they changed the age of the character for a start, cos in the play it was written in the late fifties by bill and it was written for a man approaching his forties. +er mike said in his autobiography that when they got the play and converted it to film, they changed the age of the character for a start, cos in the play it was written in the late fifties by bill and it was written for a man approaching his forties. well in the fifties, forty years of age was hugely old, i mean my dad at forty when i remember back was like a really old man at forty in those days. -and so when they changed the character to be twenty five in the film which w mi mike 's age, it totally changed the piece, totally and completely changed the piece. +and so when they changed the character to be twenty five in the film which w mi mike 's age, it totally changed the piece, totally and completely changed the piece. and it became er i think more people's perception of it now is that it's like a bloke bonking birds on stage, it's nothing like that. it's about really the tragedy of a man who's too old to change and too stupid to realize he needs to. a character part for you. oh wow, a character part for me. it's a wonderful part,it's a great part. and it's a it's an a wonderful play to go and watch. -i mean i sometimes when i'm performing on stage and people are laughing so much in the audience i think god, you know why can't i go and sit in the audience and watch this, they're laughing so much. +i mean i sometimes when i'm performing on stage and people are laughing so much in the audience i think god, you know why can't i go and sit in the audience and watch this, they're laughing so much. and in the last twenty minutes of the play they get a emotional kick in the stomach and it's gut wrenching. -and the way bill writes about the tragedy of one of the women in the play is just remarkable. +and the way bill writes about the tragedy of one of the women in the play is just remarkable. it's a wonderful play. does it move you playing it? it moves me playing it and it upsets me playing it, it's very upsetting to play alfie, because a he's such a disastrous man as a person d you know you think oh god i don't really wanna be playing this man for sixteen weeks but the part is so wonderful and the play is so rich that you can't help s sort of s submitting to it and putting yourself in the position of being a masochist i suppose. @@ -5918,19 +5917,19 @@ we're gonna take alfie to l a and do it in l a for three months. have you b played in america before? no never played never played in america. no not in the theatre. -what about what about -well i did the odd movie bits in america, and er when i was a pop singer had a record in the charts in america but never done a play there. +what about what about +well i did the odd movie bits in america, and er when i was a pop singer had a record in the charts in america but never done a play there. it'll be interesting. it'll be interesting to see how alfie of course works in america. you're very intense on everything you do. intense about this new album, intense about alfie, intense about about your life as well. yeah. er would you never appear in anything flippant, anything trivial? -ooh yeah, well i would er i would er i wouldn't appear in anything trivial, no i wouldn't i wouldn't consciously wanna appear in anything trivial. -i wouldn't mind appearing in, i'd like you know one of the things i'd really love to do is a er comedy. +ooh yeah, well i would er i would er i wouldn't appear in anything trivial, no i wouldn't i wouldn't consciously wanna appear in anything trivial. +i wouldn't mind appearing in, i'd like you know one of the things i'd really love to do is a er comedy. like a . the character i would've liked to have played more than anything else if it had ever been you know, if there was one going now would be rigsby in rising damp. -i love that character and i would have loved to have played that character, but i don't think anybody it for you +i love that character and i would have loved to have played that character, but i don't think anybody it for you take this album maybe the end of next year but you do realize you would be lynched if you didn't do poor man, i would do poor man all @@ -5974,14 +5973,14 @@ you want that's what you're doing it for is hopefully so other people'll appreci our special guest adam faith, he's in alfie, which is at nottingham's theatre royal on the twenty eighth of march next year and the box office has just opened so can actually er go there to see not just a performance i think, not just a play, but something of an event. but we'll finish off with erm adam's enthusiastic er er new album. you you pick a track. -er well y i pick one that might be too long for you so pick roxy roxy which i love. +er well y i pick one that might be too long for you so pick roxy roxy which i love. quite a thrill having adam faith on the programme actually for me, for a lot of different reasons. but roxy er roxy that was from his new c d midnight postcards and er he's going to be at nottingham's theatre royal march the twenty eighth next year in alfie, coming well ahead of it to tell us about it, and that's going to be a blockbuster i think next year, and then goes on to los angeles. lucky adam faith. er right well let's get back to erm er er other things. and bargain basement it is now. er ha programme of changing facets this programme. -bargain basement, items for sale, five pounds or under, if you want an item call us on please. +bargain basement, items for sale, five pounds or under, if you want an item call us on please. we start in lincolnshire at skegness with mick , what ya selling? greenhouse heater dennis. how much? @@ -6005,7 +6004,7 @@ bye. gotta be a bargain that i think. electric er thermostatically controlled greenhouse heater for a fiver at skegness. call us . -brian of ratheby by sp . +brian of ratheby by sp . oh hello dennis. yes brian. i've got a large carrying case for an electronic organ keyboard er i want to sell, it's it'll take a keyboard erm forty one inches long by forty inches wide and four and a half inches deep and it's all sort of shaped inside with the lining to to the shape of the keyboard and nice strong box. @@ -6021,9 +6020,9 @@ yeah. thanks a lot brian. okay thank you . bye bye. -good 'un that ratheby by spilsby. +good 'un that ratheby by spilsby. brian's selling an organ electronic organ carrying case for a fiver, forty one by forty by four and a half it'll take. -mary of lincoln. +mary of lincoln. hallo dennis. yes mary. oh, er first of all i enjoyed that record of adam faith's. @@ -6046,11 +6045,11 @@ bye love. again another bargain from lincoln. mary's selling a full length lady's dark brown sue real suede coat, a fiver. just a fiver. -give us a ring if you want it. -er jackie of methringham. +give us a ring if you want it. +er jackie of methringham. hello, hello dennis . yes j yes ja -i've got er a radiogram. +i've got er a radiogram. good working order? oh yes, it's perfect. erm it's a few years old but it's hardly had any use. @@ -6067,21 +6066,21 @@ thanks jackie. thank you bye bye . bye love. for that. -into leicestershire now and george of barwell. +into leicestershire now and george of barwell. hello dennis. yes george. i've got two dark solid wood folding chairs, new, unused, five pounds each. ah yo er well you can only go to five pounds the two on here. oh just for one then. make it one,o one dark solid wood -alright okay. +alright okay. a dark solid wood folding chair a fi a fiver at barwell and it's new . folding chair new it ye . thank you. right thanks a lot. thank you. a dark wood folding chair, new from barwell for a fiver. -call us on please. +call us on please. kerry of desford. hello dennis. yes kerry. @@ -6099,7 +6098,7 @@ thank you. bye. bye. from desford that's gent's suit nearly new, a fiver, beige, and it's thirty six chest, forty inch er thirty six waist, forty inch chest, twenty nine inside leg. -barbara of sileby. +barbara of sileby. hello. yes barbara. er i used to collect the cat stevens' l ps and i've got one for sale. @@ -6118,7 +6117,7 @@ bye love. bye. for that. cat stevens l p, buddha and chocolate box from sileby, two quid. -into derbyshire now and dawn of littleover. +into derbyshire now and dawn of littleover. hello er dennis. what you got? i've got a lady's shell jacket, you know th like a shell suit but it's just the jacket separate. @@ -6136,7 +6135,7 @@ bye. from littleover, dawn offering that lady's shell jacket, size twelve to fourteen, lady's shell jacket size twelve to fourteen, cost fifteen and she wants a fiver. please. fred will you put the light on? -beatrice of alveston. +beatrice of alveston. hello there. who're you bossing? my husband. @@ -6146,7 +6145,7 @@ tell him to join the society which i'm starting up after the programme. are you? yes. well y y you know you sometimes say will you mind turning the wireless down,an i remembered that it was on. -well the way you ordered him, that was a +well the way you ordered him, that was a what ya selling? erm boy's bicycle. age? @@ -6174,7 +6173,7 @@ thank you. bye beatrice. bye. the number to ring there if you want that boy's racing bike, eight to twelve year old for a fiver, but the tyres might need er might need renewing. -jackie of allenton. +jackie of allenton. hi dennis. what ya got? erm i've got a readers digest, it's a large hardback book er complete guide to sewing, it's a a to z, it's got all the sewing essentials and also for making household items and toys and clothes and everything, er for a fiver. @@ -6192,7 +6191,7 @@ okay, bye. jackie's at allenton, and it's the readers digest a to z guide to sewing and a lot more things as well. cost thirty five pounds new, jackie wants a fiver for it. readers digest a to z of sewing guide, lots of other things as well for a fiver, it cost thirty five quid. -, into nottingham and eric of well it's derbyshire, ilkeston. +, into nottingham and eric of well it's derbyshire, ilkeston. yes eric. er i've got some home brew bottles for sale. how many? @@ -6208,8 +6207,8 @@ thank you. bye. bye. eric's at ilkeston, and wants to sell thirty home brew bottles for five pounds. -phone if you want them. -. lindsay of baseford. +phone if you want them. +. lindsay of baseford. hello. yes lindsay. yes i've got a boy's erm black coat, size thirty, very good condition. @@ -6231,21 +6230,21 @@ five pounds. thanks a lot love. right thank you, bye. bye. -for that boy's black jacket, for an eight year old, size thirty, for a fiver, it's at baseford, nottingham, call us on if you want that. +for that boy's black jacket, for an eight year old, size thirty, for a fiver, it's at baseford, nottingham, call us on if you want that. ways from buddy holly. erm for sale, for the ted heath band at the royal concert hall this friday, one pair of box tickets, cost twelve fifty each, will accept twenty quid for the pair. -phone nottingham. +phone nottingham. one pair of tickets for ted heath, they cost twenty five, will accept twenty, for this friday, phone . just a mention about the good old days quiz book, a b b c publication which is at your local b b c radio station, costs three pounds for one thousand questions, don't be without it this christmas, and it does make a lovely christmas present as well. -getting some nice letters about the good old days quiz book, don't miss it, you local b b c radio station, it's also on sale at er bookshops throughout the east midlands and at the row library in nottingham they've told me to say as well. -three pounds, i'm doing two signings, one is this sunday at the radio lincolnshire open show, i'll be there on sunday from two till four signing the good old days quiz book, two till four this sunday at radio lincolnshire's open day and on wednesday december the eighth i'll be at at nottingham, and doing a signing there for the good old days quiz book, b b c publication. +getting some nice letters about the good old days quiz book, don't miss it, you local b b c radio station, it's also on sale at er bookshops throughout the east midlands and at the row library in nottingham they've told me to say as well. +three pounds, i'm doing two signings, one is this sunday at the radio lincolnshire open show, i'll be there on sunday from two till four signing the good old days quiz book, two till four this sunday at radio lincolnshire's open day and on wednesday december the eighth i'll be at at nottingham, and doing a signing there for the good old days quiz book, b b c publication. you can get it by post at three pounds fifty by post, send a cheque or postal order made payable to the b b c for three pounds fifty, we'll sent it b , i'll send it by post to you and send it to afternoon special,, derby, leicester, lincoln or nottingham if you want the good old days quiz book by post. big charity night, thursday the twenty fifth of november at the polish centre, street, loughborough. -seven forty five, there's lazy daisy country and western, pat on the flute, charlie lovely comedian, malcolm on the organ but tickets are three pounds fifty, you can get them mr at . -. norman of leicester. +seven forty five, there's lazy daisy country and western, pat on the flute, charlie lovely comedian, malcolm on the organ but tickets are three pounds fifty, you can get them mr at . +. norman of leicester. norman. hello dennis. -er it's norman the town crier at leicester. +er it's norman the town crier at leicester. yes. you remember, i've met you on various how are you? @@ -6255,23 +6254,23 @@ yes i'm hoping you're gonna help me. i've got a very awkward er predicament i find myself in. go on then norman. i do a lot of talks for groups and clubs and organizations on the history of town crying and my own experiences, all for charity. -and in my diary i've got one for tomorrow night, for an organization called the judges guild in leicester, somewhere in the road area. +and in my diary i've got one for tomorrow night, for an organization called the judges guild in leicester, somewhere in the road area. unfortunately i don't think they haven't confirmed as they usua most organizations usually do about a week beforehand er by phone, to make sure it's alright, and i've lost their letter. -and so i'm not sure where it is, what time it is i don't have no contact for it to get in touch with, and i'm wondering if anybody, any of your listeners either members or know of the guild. -i think they meet in the road area and it's called the judges guild. +and so i'm not sure where it is, what time it is i don't have no contact for it to get in touch with, and i'm wondering if anybody, any of your listeners either members or know of the guild. +i think they meet in the road area and it's called the judges guild. oh dear. -the road area. +the road area. i think that's where they meet, i mean they may come from all the place but it's the judges guild and i'm due to speak to them tomorrow night. right norman, well let's put you can appreciate the predicament i'm in. yeah we'll put the call out and see if anybody knows where you're speaking tomorrow night, norman , town crier of leicester, he's speaking at the judges guild but who, where, what, what time -the judges guild at leicester in the road area. +the judges guild at leicester in the road area. let's hope someone calls and we'll put 'em in touch with you norman . well i hope so. hang on, hang on give u right give us a blast go on. -oyez,, oyez, oyez, greetings to all listeners to afternoon special and especially dennis your regular host. +oyez,, oyez, oyez, greetings to all listeners to afternoon special and especially dennis your regular host. oh dear you've ear you've earned your keep there. we we'll do our best for you norman. thank you very much. @@ -6285,11 +6284,11 @@ road area somewhere, anybody know? quickly get in touch otherwise you won't get him. to the news we go with with wipe out by the safaris. hello mary lou from ricky nelson that one. -join me john this afternoon, four thirty till seven, yes the teatime show here just after dennis, the news, weather, travel, sport, everything you need as we roll you home, and then six till seven in the cultural oasis. -finally, we'll be talking to paul about the best selling records of all time in the country, guess what's number one? -well you might find out a little bit later on,an i'll also have live music on the show from the old vic in , andrew 's gonna be down there with edward , it's all to come. -and john invites you to teatime just after four thirty. -er barry of newark. +join me john this afternoon, four thirty till seven, yes the teatime show here just after dennis, the news, weather, travel, sport, everything you need as we roll you home, and then six till seven in the cultural oasis. +finally, we'll be talking to paul about the best selling records of all time in the country, guess what's number one? +well you might find out a little bit later on,an i'll also have live music on the show from the old vic in , andrew 's gonna be down there with edward , it's all to come. +and john invites you to teatime just after four thirty. +er barry of newark. barry. hallo dennis how are you? alright. @@ -6309,10 +6308,10 @@ yeah it's been given out on the radio today dennis. or words to that effect. which programme has said that newark was closed? oh i i can't pinpoint the actual programme, it's just er what people are telling me has been st er stated on radio nottingham. -i think we're warning about that er roundabout +i think we're warning about that er roundabout yeah -i mean that is pretty horrendous -it is it is, and a bit of an eyesore, we're all +i mean that is pretty horrendous +it is it is, and a bit of an eyesore, we're all how long's it gonna be, when's it gonna be f ? well i reckon it's gonna be december the twelfth before they're actually finished. so at least least for christmas it's gonna be done for your christmas trade? @@ -6357,7 +6356,7 @@ alright? right. yeah. right. -major work continues in newark town centre with the closure of part of in the beesmarket hill area of the town. +major work continues in newark town centre with the closure of part of in the beesmarket hill area of the town. right. diversions means that delays are likely. now that was actually said this morning. @@ -6369,10 +6368,10 @@ as you can appreciate, it's just what people are saying to me who who actually h but is saying oh we've warned er not to come in because of the roadworks. but is that wh is that correct? -major work continues in newark town centre with the closure of part of in the +major work continues in newark town centre with the closure of part of in the that's right. beesmarket hill area of the town, -yeah that's perfect +yeah that's perfect diversions means that delays are likely. yeah, diversions coming through the town, yes . yeah, but not not going to. @@ -6386,7 +6385,7 @@ whoever told you was wrong yes. we did not say that newark was closed, i couldn't imagine us saying newark was closed. -no i it's it's the er you see, people read into it what they want to read and er if they +no i it's it's the er you see, people read into it what they want to read and er if they yes they do, yes they do hear of major works causing a problem in newark, we won't both going, we'll go to lincoln or or elsewhere . that's right, that's right, that's right. @@ -6411,12 +6410,12 @@ all for sale. what's what's what's the most expensive item? oh er there's no real expens the probably the most expensive is five and a half hundred. for what? -that's for a capodimonte man with a horse quite attractive . +that's for a capodimonte man with a horse quite attractive . really so it's still fetching money p capodimonte real stuff? capodimonte has always been collectable dennis, it's never gone, never gone down in in popularity. the only problem is of course that a lot of er sort of capodimonte copies, yes -imitations +imitations yes you want stamped signed pieces with a certificate to say do you what they are yeah. @@ -6431,7 +6430,7 @@ oh for a a wade er little wade whimsy or er er a handmade glass animal mhm. type thing. and are you still looking for the thing where you go and buy and you give a fiver and it's worth -a dream dennis +a dream dennis five million. it's a dream. is it? @@ -6452,7 +6451,7 @@ do you ever go to the erm er to the winthorpe, to to the big newark erm antique yes every time it's on. isn't that fantastic? oh it's brilliant. -when you get three thousand stalls all set up and +when you get three thousand stalls all set up and it's another world yeah it's amazing. i=n' it? @@ -6461,21 +6460,20 @@ it's another world. yeah it's have you it's lovely. - -now presumably you're doing this er personality analysis, as part of trying to work out who you are and where you're going. +now presumably you're doing this er personality analysis, as part of trying to work out who you are and where you're going. is that right? that's right. yeah. okay. well that's fine. -that's what we normally use it for and erm what i'm going to do if that's okay is i, i'll describe the erm the actual theory to you +that's what we normally use it for and erm what i'm going to do if that's okay is i, i'll describe the erm the actual theory to you mm. and get you to self estimate er where you come on it mm. you see. and i've got a little chart that i'll give you to do that on. mm. -and then erm we'll have three readings, really, of erm where you come +and then erm we'll have three readings, really, of erm where you come mm. on the chart. one of which is this erm estimate that you'll do now. @@ -6488,16 +6486,16 @@ and then there's the proper questionnaire and i've scored that up. right. so we get three readings. okay? -and then erm we work out erm a best fit +and then erm we work out erm a best fit right. er you know so far as we can get that erm and i'll then give you a description of how the theory er predicts your er preferences for behaving in particular ways, would work out. mhm. -and you can read that and we can have a bit of a discussion about that +and you can read that and we can have a bit of a discussion about that mhm. to see if you think it's appropriate and mm. accurate or not. -erm and basically er the, the reason for doing it that way is that erm, i don't want to set up a situation where erm i'm some sort of expert and i er this is not a matching process, okay? +erm and basically er the, the reason for doing it that way is that erm, i don't want to set up a situation where erm i'm some sort of expert and i er this is not a matching process, okay? no. no. it it's really to give you er whatever insights you can get from this particular theory, erm about the way in which your, your personality works @@ -6520,7 +6518,7 @@ that's fine. good. okay. well erm i'll give you the er little chart here. -now erm oh you've got a pen. +now erm oh you've got a pen. excellent. erm if you, if you, if we just er look at that for a moment. mm. @@ -6584,7 +6582,7 @@ erm but if you persist you get better. mm. and you know normally with the handedness, you don't use your left hand unless you break your right wrist or something. mm. -but in the psychological area you do have to use it, you know quite a lot of the time. +but in the psychological area you do have to use it, you know quite a lot of the time. mm. erm but you should be able to improve. er you know, but none the less there is this preference. @@ -6617,7 +6615,7 @@ can you write on this erm extrovert on the left hand end where the dots are and right. now i'm sure you've heard of these terms before. mm. -erm but i think the important thing is that jung on whom this er particular theory it's based on his +erm but i think the important thing is that jung on whom this er particular theory it's based on his mm. theories. erm he was the person who invented those terms. @@ -6631,7 +6629,7 @@ and that's what this dimension's about. and the erm extroverts are people who prefer to focus outside themselves, on the world of people and things. the introverts prefer to focus on their own inner world, of hopes, dreams, fears, aspirations, ideas. whatever's inside. -now if i give you an example of a bit of behaviour where erm a situation and, and er give you an idea of how introverts and extroverts would behave in that area, that may help you to work out which you think you are. +now if i give you an example of a bit of behaviour where erm a situation and, and er give you an idea of how introverts and extroverts would behave in that area, that may help you to work out which you think you are. say you're with a group of students and erm you're sitting round drinking coffee one morning, and the sun's shining. and somebody says, let's go to scarborough for the day. you know it's a terrific day, let's go to the seaside. @@ -6664,7 +6662,7 @@ and erm the er this particular person just isn't there. mm. well they've decided they're not gonna go. they haven't actually told anybody. -er er and they've just disappeared . +er er and they've just disappeared . mm. erm a less introverted erm er response would be, half way through the preparations to say, well you know actually i'm, i don't really think i can come. i mean i've got this person to see, or this essay @@ -6762,7 +6760,7 @@ and erm feeling on the right. feeling? yeah feeling. now those terms are a bit peculiar. -you always get trouble with them in psychological tests, cos you either use terms which nobody knows what they mean, or you use terms which people have meanings for and that's not what you actually mean by them. +you always get trouble with them in psychological tests, cos you either use terms which nobody knows what they mean, or you use terms which people have meanings for and that's not what you actually mean by them. and feeling doesn't refer to emotion as such. this dimension is about erm how you prefer to make decisions. you've perceived something you've now got to decide what you're going to do or whether you're going to do anything. @@ -6813,7 +6811,7 @@ yeah. okay stick, stick something down there. right. good. -and the, now last one is judging, on the left and perceiving on the right. +and the, now last one is judging, on the left and perceiving on the right. and this is really about your erm your lifestyle, your pre preferred lifestyle. how much planning you actually like to have in your life. now the erm judging people want everything to be, well they prefer to have everything cut and dried, sorted out, closed off, decided. @@ -6855,7 +6853,7 @@ or if twice as many people come, they get upset too, because they haven't got en whereas the perceiving person is much mm less phased by this and says, oh well there are lots of people, that's nice. i don't know half of these people. i've lots of new people i can meet. -or erm if only half the people come, well that's fine we can have a much more sort of intimate evening, and erm actually there'll be lots of food for everybody won't there? +or erm if only half the people come, well that's fine we can have a much more sort of intimate evening, and erm actually there'll be lots of food for everybody won't there? you know. mm. so they're much more, more flexible about @@ -6897,7 +6895,7 @@ mm. and it's not a fine discriminator. erm but in fact certainly those three you've got a very clear you know mm. -sort of six difference is not much on the other side +sort of six difference is not much on the other side mm. anything on that . now this one is a bit closer. @@ -6916,12 +6914,12 @@ peop people say that, in fact all your scores are quite high while p is the, act that's yeah different from that isn't it? and those are the same -well i think it yeah because when i was filling in th +well i think it yeah because when i was filling in th yeah. i, i mean there were a lot of questions like you know does the idea of making yeah. -a list for things +a list for things oh yes. appeal to you. those sorts of questions. @@ -6943,7 +6941,7 @@ yeah. you know. but that doesn't alter th the fact that your preference is the other way. yeah. -and in fact it's quite interesting sort of analysis this because erm i, i actually think that the erm the best er well it helps you if you know where your preference is, because if, if then you're behaving in the other area then you know that that's not re your preference +and in fact it's quite interesting sort of analysis this because erm i, i actually think that the erm the best er well it helps you if you know where your preference is, because if, if then you're behaving in the other area then you know that that's not re your preference mm. and therefore if it's a bit difficult. well you know it's a bit difficult and you know why it's difficult @@ -6970,11 +6968,11 @@ okay. so i'll give you the, the, the description. erm. is that quite a high score there? -i mean +i mean oh yes. some of them are quite definitely in one. -well the thing is, the interesting thing about this is of course is what we're actually dealing with is not erm well in a sense er not, not erm your actual preference, which according to the erm theory is unchangeable. +well the thing is, the interesting thing about this is of course is what we're actually dealing with is not erm well in a sense er not, not erm your actual preference, which according to the erm theory is unchangeable. you mm. know it's, it's sort of in you. @@ -7001,7 +6999,7 @@ mm. it doesn't actually mean necessarily erm how you behave. mm. if you see what i mean. -cos jung had this idea that the whole the whole of life was a journey towards the discovery of what he called the real self. +cos jung had this idea that the whole the whole of life was a journey towards the discovery of what he called the real self. mm. now that's a bit of an elusive concept really but none the less i think people have er a sort of idea that there is a real them mm. @@ -7020,7 +7018,7 @@ mm. person you might like to be but actually unfortunately aren't. you know. mm. -and the real self's probably somewhere between the behaving self and the idealized +and the real self's probably somewhere between the behaving self and the idealized mm. self, you know. erm well let me find this, fish this out for you and er you can er have a look at this and see what you think. @@ -7031,8 +7029,8 @@ mm. most, most of it's true. yeah. okay. -well let me explain the erm oh that's, that's a description on the back. -can i have that back for a minute and i'll just explain one of the erm a bit more of the structure of it. +well let me explain the erm oh that's, that's a description on the back. +can i have that back for a minute and i'll just explain one of the erm a bit more of the structure of it. e n f p. now the, the theory erm is that there are four mental functions in the middle here. and the extrovert and introvert, and judging and perceiving are sort of orientations. @@ -7064,7 +7062,7 @@ mm. er you say, well you know alright there are all these things i could do but erm er what, where do i think i re really want to work? i mean where would it be worthwhile for me to work? you know. -what do i what is so important to me that i want to spend all this time on it? +what do i what is so important to me that i want to spend all this time on it? you know, how does this fit with my value system? so you'd use mm. @@ -7117,21 +7115,21 @@ well i think i've got a bit stuck on the n and the f actually . i see. so we want some s and t . we do yeah. -no well i've just had erm an interview and erm really just exploring the things that i myself thought of trying +no well i've just had erm an interview and erm really just exploring the things that i myself thought of trying yeah. -probably erm i think i'll, i'll do on the +probably erm i think i'll, i'll do on the oh yeah. yeah mm mm. and do that for a while as well as some, some voluntary work. -that what i was thinking of doing for next year. +that what i was thinking of doing for next year. it's really, i mean next year i was sort of quite co i'm quite committed to not having a year off so much as just exploring things and that's what right. what erm heather? -yes heather yeah. +yes heather yeah. yes that's what she said. she said you jus mm. -cos i haven't, like she perceived that i was very kind of lost really. +cos i haven't, like she perceived that i was very kind of lost really. and you know didn't know enough about the different areas of work that i was interested in. and she said oh the best thing to do is just sort of travel for a bit an mm. @@ -7172,7 +7170,7 @@ you know why they should employ you given you know what are your skills yeah. and what are your this and what are your that. an and really even the n f recruiters will er want some of that. -well i think for them to be in, in management, top management positions a lot of them they'd have to be pretty sensing and thinking before well i do i mean i think there's +well i think for them to be in, in management, top management positions a lot of them they'd have to be pretty sensing and thinking before well i do i mean i think there's yeah, yeah, yeah. room for my sort of personality in most careers, but to some extent it's got to be you know balanced and yes you've, you've got to do the lot you see. @@ -7213,16 +7211,16 @@ well it is because that actually does, with the pie chart, lead you into sort of mm. which you know then you can explore a bit. what comes across in both my interests and any skills which isn't really reconcilable with this i don't think is that erm i've got sort of, because of , i think it's cos of my academic experience cos i did an arts degree with a lot of research and stuff, is that i, i like researching, data collecting, processing information. -which isn't really i mean i don't think +which isn't really i mean i don't think not an n fs thing. not really no. no it isn't. -erm well you have to sort of decide i suppose erm which way you wanna go. +erm well you have to sort of decide i suppose erm which way you wanna go. mm. you know. although you see erm as we've been suggesting any project requires that. you know you, you, you need to be doing some of that. -it, it's just a question of i suppose whether you do it or you get other people to do it or or what. +it, it's just a question of i suppose whether you do it or you get other people to do it or or what. you know but, but probably to start with whatever you're gonna have to do you're gonna have to do. and i think the s and t thing is, is erm it's very good to have developed skills in those areas. wher it's a question of where you sort of harness them really though isn't it? @@ -7237,7 +7235,7 @@ erm it, it would depend i suppose erm well the n f people they want to be able t you can't change things much in a library. no. erm er if they're, if they're introverts, then it's alright changing things just by changing people's perception. -so erm you know you, you, you i mean i'm i n f j and so it's alright for me to think i've changed your thinking. +so erm you know you, you, you i mean i'm i n f j and so it's alright for me to think i've changed your thinking. whether you actually do anything about it is up to you you know mm. so i, i mean i suppose in a sense it would be good if you did actually change something but that's not entirely necessary for me. @@ -7264,34 +7262,34 @@ erm and you need to look at the big picture. mm. yeah it's no good getting bogged down in the detail. so i suppose whatever area you went into, erm you might find it a bit frustrating to start with, because you weren't looking at the big picture. -well i think that, that my problem is, you know like,cos i did do the p g c s +well i think that, that my problem is, you know like,cos i did do the p g c s oh of course you did. you came and talked to me yeah. about it then didn't you once? -and that was my problem with it was that i was in much in terms of being able to go into the classroom an and talk to the kids and have a really good relationship with the teachers and things. +and that was my problem with it was that i was in much in terms of being able to go into the classroom an and talk to the kids and have a really good relationship with the teachers and things. and i discovered that and it didn't work out. to actually create the right learning environment for them, there were a thousand little details that i had to attend to, like had i planned my lesson right, was i progressing in the right way round the classroom, had i remembered to chase up certain people's homework, and stuff. and that i find incredibly difficult. you know it was a real effort for me to remember all those things. because i am so kind of, you know i've got ideas coming in and out of my head all the time. -but you know i still think that i'm drawn towards that sort of teaching, performing that kind of role erm and that wouldn't be fulfilled by librarianship at all. +but you know i still think that i'm drawn towards that sort of teaching, performing that kind of role erm and that wouldn't be fulfilled by librarianship at all. no. but i don't think it would do me any harm to develop some more organizational skills because mos most jobs require them. yes. you know i don't think you can get by without them really. you know i mean you have to have time management skills to have a reasonably well you do don't you? -yes +yes successful life, don't you? -i mean it's no use being +i mean it's no use being yes, that's right, that's right. -i mean as i said when i was filling in the questionnaire i was thinking well this, really this is my preference and you know i'd much rather be in a job that allowed me some flexibility. +i mean as i said when i was filling in the questionnaire i was thinking well this, really this is my preference and you know i'd much rather be in a job that allowed me some flexibility. you know rather than down to the line planning for every single moment of the day. but having said that i can't see a job where you can just kind of swan in and you know and think about a million different things in one day or whatever. so you know i mean i su i suppose a lo the questionnaire seemed to concentrate very much on how you were outside work. -and i mean i su everyone has to resign themselves i think to some extent but the fact that they are playing a role within their work situation. +and i mean i su everyone has to resign themselves i think to some extent but the fact that they are playing a role within their work situation. right. and they can't allow their personality free expression . i mean that's what another thing i found very hard about teaching. @@ -7315,10 +7313,9 @@ yes. yeah yeah. but there's a lot of s t in journalism isn't there? quite a lot of s. -you've gotta do your, you know, go out and sit in the county court and wait for something exciting to happen +you've gotta do your, you know, go out and sit in the county court and wait for something exciting to happen well especially again when you're, when you're training. -well that's the thing you see i think you're, you're, you know that's gonna be the problem that you're, you're - +well that's the thing you see i think you're, you're, you know that's gonna be the problem that you're, you're twenty six forms which police had to fill in to prosecute a thief. and are too many babies being born by caesarian? british coal has asked the national union of mineworkers to discuss further pit closures. @@ -7368,8 +7365,8 @@ i mean if i retrain you know, there's a thousand people for the same job, it's j miners at bilsthorpe watched the announcement on television. the pit's threatened. after the tragedy there, they're also concerned about safety over the decision to repeal a law limiting miners' hours. -safety does come cost and and here in notts that we've had a safety policy. -it's been now some eighteen month, two years. +safety does come cost and and here in notts that we've had a safety policy. +it's been now some eighteen month, two years. but it does cost er the corporation. i don't think that er smaller operators when er safety becomes deregulated will be able to afford er that cost. british coal put no numbers on collieries to be closed. @@ -7547,7 +7544,7 @@ labour say they believe it's unlikely the decision will be overturned in the com aid agencies are warning of a severe shortage of food in central bosnia and with winter approaching, an estimated one and a half million people there are now dependant on aid. many are becoming increasingly desperate and turning their frustration on humanitarian organizations, which they say are not doing enough to help them. yesterday police used teargas to break up protestors blocking aid lorries near zenesa. -earlier today near women and children robbed another aid convoy. +earlier today near women and children robbed another aid convoy. the women begin to gather at first light. from here they can see convoys coming half a mile away. when a dutch convoy appears in the distance, they move in blocking its path and demanding food. @@ -7562,7 +7559,7 @@ the bosnian police descend and apply the force which increasingly here is needed first rifle rounds then tear gas. and only now can the convoy pass. the people of zenesa are selling anything they can to survive. -enver says he's down to his last kilo of flour, otherwise his cupboard's empty. +enver says he's down to his last kilo of flour, otherwise his cupboard's empty. he doesn't know how he'll feed his nine year old son annis. i'm so desperate i'm even having to sell my clothes, he says. aid workers say central bosnia, cut off for the first time this winter by the war between croats and muslims, is facing a humanitarian catastrophe. @@ -7609,9 +7606,8 @@ it means all thirty one pits earmarked for closure last year, may now shut after thousands of pensioners have protested in london over the government's plans for v a t on domestic fuel. and there are new measures to cut down police paperwork and put more officers on the streets. the next national news is the nine o'clock news but from jenny and from me, good evening. - -this week our guest on sharing time is erlend who is one of the survivors of the piper alpha disaster and is one who has come back to orkney this last week, staying with his family here in orkney. -first of all, looking back on those harrowing times of the sixth of july, what do you remember about the incident erlend? +this week our guest on sharing time is erlend who is one of the survivors of the piper alpha disaster and is one who has come back to orkney this last week, staying with his family here in orkney. +first of all, looking back on those harrowing times of the sixth of july, what do you remember about the incident erlend? well it was at night and i mean i was lucky enough to be working which is a thing that's probably accounted for saving a lot of people . most of the survivors were ones who were working at the time. and i was working upstairs in er what's called the gascon module, which was shut down at the time for repair work and things like that. @@ -7627,19 +7623,19 @@ and er the diesel pumps weren't on and er there was a couple of guys putting on you can hardly see your hand in front of your face and er i mean there was no way to fight the fire, so i mean all we could do was sort of stand back and look 'cos we were up there was about at that stage there was twenty or thirty of us standing in this north west corner of the platform. and er th the fire was getting that bad that i mean the smoke was blowing directly across the platform at that stage. and er take a couple of steps away from the corner you couldn't see your a thing, so we were more or less stuck where we where. -we could go downstairs to the sixty eight foot level was er er fog horn and lighting system for in the fog it's a navaid system they call it. +we could go downstairs to the sixty eight foot level was er er fog horn and lighting system for in the fog it's a navaid system they call it. and er that was a platform down there. and off that there was a big knotted rope which c was thrown down. -and er guys started to go down that to the twenty foot level where they were picked up by an inflatable off the standby boat. -but i mean it was about twenty to thirty guys as i said. +and er guys started to go down that to the twenty foot level where they were picked up by an inflatable off the standby boat. +but i mean it was about twenty to thirty guys as i said. and i mean as they went down we got the the diver, so there was a few of them there. -and er the ones out of the control room they managed to get down that stage we would be about half an hour after it, after the initial blast. +and er the ones out of the control room they managed to get down that stage we would be about half an hour after it, after the initial blast. and be about five or six of us left then, and we were just getting ready to get off when we got hit by the second big blast, which caused most of the burns to all of us then. and at that stage it was too late to go down the rope so it was just instinct more than anything else that we just jumped over the side from where we were then. and er after that it was just well every man for himself i never really saw any of the guys except for the o one guy who was on the platform with me at the time. i saw him when we got picked up off the i mean it was half a lifeboat we were left sitting on. when we got picked up and he was on it with me then. -but i mean being in the water i had no life jacket or anything like that so it was a matter of trying to keep afloat and er kicking off my boots and getting me overalls . +but i mean being in the water i had no life jacket or anything like that so it was a matter of trying to keep afloat and er kicking off my boots and getting me overalls . and er i mean it was all luck everything that sort of happened to me that night anyway i mean it it wasn't so lucky for other people but i suppose most survivors have their their tale or so. fortune having smiled on them, and i mean if it hadn't been for a lump of expanded foam out of one of the life boats that had blown up at, if it hadn't come floating past me, i mean i would have been a goner as well, but i got hold of that. i managed to keep afloat then till, as i said we found this half a lifeboat and there was couple of fellows and er i managed to swim over to that and pull myself up on it and for there the inflatable off the standby boat came alongside, picked us up and put us on then standby boat. @@ -7653,18 +7649,18 @@ and luckily it just took us round the side of the platform and away then. were there quite a few vessels around at that time that were giving assistance? well i can remember when i went was in the water at the start, there was you could see a lot of boats coming in alongside the platform. but er it wasn't long after that there was another big bang on the platform and they all sort of turned tail and went away for their own safety. -which was pretty demoralizing for us that were in the water at the time but +which was pretty demoralizing for us that were in the water at the time but so at that point then did you almost give up hope that you would be rescued? that you more or less were going to end in the sea at that point? aye, well i mean that there's there's so many things that go through your mind that in a situation like that. -i mean you've got to try and keep yourself afloat, and then even that's not going to help you, if nobody comes along and picks you up either, so i mean that but i mean i i didn't oh well i suppose i could say i gave up hope a few times but obviously if you s the struggle to survive comes through in the long run, and i mean it's it's not easy to give up hope, +i mean you've got to try and keep yourself afloat, and then even that's not going to help you, if nobody comes along and picks you up either, so i mean that but i mean i i didn't oh well i suppose i could say i gave up hope a few times but obviously if you s the struggle to survive comes through in the long run, and i mean it's it's not easy to give up hope, at that stage when you were picked up then, what happened the, where were you taken to after that. well we were taken up to the standby boat which is i mean every vessel in the north sea, every rig and installation has a boat that circles it, non stop, twenty four hours a day and i mean that the standby boat on piper i mean it was the the two inflatable boats off it that picked everybody up, and most folk up, and one of them was lost, they lost two of the crew off that. i think that was hit by debris off the platform. but i mean it was it that we were taken to first, and i mean thee was a lot of people on it and i mean it had obviously saved a lot of lives. -and er we were on that for about an hour or so and then they got rid of the the badly injured were taken off then and put on the therris it's support vessel that was just happened to be there at the time. +and er we were on that for about an hour or so and then they got rid of the the badly injured were taken off then and put on the therris it's support vessel that was just happened to be there at the time. and it and it's emergency hospital on it, and i mean they'd flown doctors out from aberdeen, and medics off other platforms round about. so you were actually were you taken to pharros as well? -for treatment ? +for treatment ? mhm. i was taken here but at the time i mean i wasn't one of the really seriously burnt, i mean i was still conscious and i was still walking around. and it was just me arm and me hand and me face that were were burnt and and at that the time i mean i wasn't in any pain and i think there was more serious ones to be dealt with. @@ -7687,7 +7683,7 @@ obviously you were in hospital for a number of weeks. what about the treatment that you were given in aberdeen? did you find that they were obviously sympathetic to what happened and the spirit in the hospital would have been quite hight really? aye. -well i mean i can't say enough for the people in the aberdeen royal infirmary, i mean they've got a great burns unit there and i mean er er i think the plastic surgeons and what knot are about they must be some of the best in the world. +well i mean i can't say enough for the people in the aberdeen royal infirmary, i mean they've got a great burns unit there and i mean er er i think the plastic surgeons and what knot are about they must be some of the best in the world. just looking at what they've done to me. and er they treated me there i mean i was about two weeks in a room on me own, and taken out then into the main ward for another four weeks. and i mean the nurses and everybody, the doctors were really great, and they give us the best of treatment there, and i don't think you'll speak to anybody that was in the hospital that'll say anything differently, they were really great. @@ -7696,11 +7692,11 @@ what about your feelings now looking back on it? do you think that you would like to return to the platform work? aye well we've all spoken about it before and i mean yo when we were in hospital we spoke together about it and er obviously it's it's it's something you that won't really be able to tell unless you give it try. and i mean i would like to go offshore again, just to prove to myself whether i could or could not do it. -i mean whether i'll ever work offshore again's another thing, but i would like to to try going offshore i mean then again i mean i reckon i could work offshore no problem at all, but whether i could sleep on the platform is a completely different matter. +i mean whether i'll ever work offshore again's another thing, but i would like to to try going offshore i mean then again i mean i reckon i could work offshore no problem at all, but whether i could sleep on the platform is a completely different matter. there would always be that fear that it a similar incident might happen and er and that er it was those who were asleep at the time who were unlucky enough not to survive. well they wasn't the most unlucky. to put it like that. -but er i mean we we've spoken about it before, on the platform, and things like that, that i mean everybody knows the score that if something happens if you're if you're sleeping you've not got a an excellent chance, put it like that, i mean you er i mean nobody ever expected anything like what happened on piper to to happen any on that scale. +but er i mean we we've spoken about it before, on the platform, and things like that, that i mean everybody knows the score that if something happens if you're if you're sleeping you've not got a an excellent chance, put it like that, i mean you er i mean nobody ever expected anything like what happened on piper to to happen any on that scale. i mean even wh when we saw it ourselves, i mean you couldn't comprehend the scale. i mean i can remember being underneath the platform,being on fire and i mean i i just kept saying to myself that this wasn't really happening. how about the the safety er precautions that were taken on board piper or in fact on board any oil platform installation. @@ -7708,10 +7704,10 @@ it wouldn't have been able to cope with such an immediate diaster as as happened no i mean i i don't think what happened on piper can be put down to basic safety. i mean i don't think it was a gas leak, it wouldn't have caused an explosion to the extent of that. and at the time, i mean it's half past nine, all work had stopped, mostly at that time of night anyway. -so i mean there was no poor operating but this is going on, i wouldn't have thought. +so i mean there was no poor operating but this is going on, i wouldn't have thought. so i mean it goes down to must be something like equipment failure which is something that nobody can really allow for. what sort of safety training had you had for an evacuation or in fact a a slow evacuation from the platform while you were out there? -well i mean, everybody goes to robert does their off shore survival which takes you into helicopter survival and l launching lifeboats off the platform and life rafts ev and er that done i mean you get your certificates and what not for that and everybody is to get refresher courses every two or three years, i'm not really sure which. +well i mean, everybody goes to robert does their off shore survival which takes you into helicopter survival and l launching lifeboats off the platform and life rafts ev and er that done i mean you get your certificates and what not for that and everybody is to get refresher courses every two or three years, i'm not really sure which. and then on the platform every week there's a evacuation drill where it's usually on a sunday night or a saturday night it was changed to recently. but the platform general alarm goes off and everybody goes to their master stations by the lifeboat. and then they test the evacuation alarm then, so that everybody knows the alarms and er where to be and then th every six eight weeks or something they take you for a helicopter evacuation where everybody's taken from the lifeboat master station. @@ -7737,7 +7733,7 @@ and er as i've said before, i haven't seen a a barrel of oil burning and the hea but i mean a any anything in a situation like that's going to help. again, with the time that you were in hospital considering your future, what did your family think about your possibility of you going back out? well i mean they've never really spoken about it one way or another, encouraged me or discouraged me, which i think i'm grateful for. -i mean if there's a decision to be made i hope they'll just leave it up to me. +i mean if there's a decision to be made i hope they'll just leave it up to me. i think that and i mean you go with the sort of attitude, that lightning will never strike twice in the same place, but then again i mean who knows? clearly it was a time when so many people were lost, and it was the world's worst oil rig disaster. looking back on that then, you must have lost a great number of colleagues and workmates that it must give you sort of mixed feelings looking back on it? @@ -7750,8 +7746,8 @@ do you feel that this particular incident has changed your attitude towards life i can't honestly say that up to now i've thought that much about it. i mean i've only just come out of hospital and as it is i'm still fairly well macked with it. and you think that you're lucky to be alive in that respect, but i've never really thought that i was specially picked out for some reason to carry on living. -but then again in the future it might sink in that that there was a special reason for it, i don't know. -obviously with so many having lost their lives on the disaster, you say that you don't feel it's maybe an act of god int hat sense, that you were picked to to be saved, but erm you don't feel any guilt as such either,o that you were one of the ones and er so many others had been lost? +but then again in the future it might sink in that that there was a special reason for it, i don't know. +obviously with so many having lost their lives on the disaster, you say that you don't feel it's maybe an act of god int hat sense, that you were picked to to be saved, but erm you don't feel any guilt as such either,o that you were one of the ones and er so many others had been lost? no i don't feel guilty, i mean i would i would love to see everybody that was on the platform still alive. but then again i think i would i would be lying if i said that, i wish it was me rather than anybody else . but no i mean i i mean i've lost a lot of good friends on it, and i would love to see them back alive but, there's nothing much i can do about it. @@ -7763,7 +7759,7 @@ well i personally think with an appeal fund like that, i mean the amount of mone i mean the only thing that an appeal fund like that should do is to give the widows and dependents of the the dead of the platform, it should give them immediate money to tide them over until they get their compensation which they need. and er the amount of money that's in the appeal fund, whereas it shows a great feeling of warmth from the general public, i think i don't i mean there's people dying all over the world, even at home here in orkney, there's people that dying, they don't receive any great compensation for that. and i mean i think that if it was spread more i mean if if if people locally gave more to to bereaved in their own areas, i mean it would go down a lot more good there. -i said that the occidental are gonna they'll either willingly pay or they're going have to pay a lot of compensation to the bereaved and er fund more or less just going to top up any money when it's probably not going to be necessary in the long run. +i said that the occidental are gonna they'll either willingly pay or they're going have to pay a lot of compensation to the bereaved and er fund more or less just going to top up any money when it's probably not going to be necessary in the long run. at this stage then having spent so many weeks in hospital, how long will you be required to continue further visits to you know,up update the treatment? well i mean i i think the grafts that they've done, the major grafts anyway, are finished and er they seemed to have taken really well, so i mean it's just a matter of time, really, for them to settle. and i mean they say with skin grafts it takes two years before they're completely settled and accepted. @@ -7779,13 +7775,12 @@ clearly it has been a an extremely trying time for you. how have people reacted and responded to your treatment and really erm how they feel about things now? well in hospital, i mean the number of cards and get well cards and well good wishes i received, and offers of help from people. i mean there's people i hadn't even seen for years that were staying there in aberdeen came along and offered help. -and everybody that sent cards, i mean it was really great i mean get well cards are sort of things that you see in shops and you never really think about it, but when when you're lying flat on your back in hospital and you get cards for people, i mean it really does give you a lift. +and everybody that sent cards, i mean it was really great i mean get well cards are sort of things that you see in shops and you never really think about it, but when when you're lying flat on your back in hospital and you get cards for people, i mean it really does give you a lift. and i mean i can't thank the people enough that sent them all. and i mean there are too many to to name individually as well. but i mean it's it er it was great i mean the fact that i was i mean in in aberdeen i was away from home, i mean you didn't even notice it, because of the number of orcadians that popped in by the hospital and as i said sent cards and letters, it was great. well thank you very much erlend , for sharing time with us this thursday lunchtime, and we'll wish you a very speedy recovery and hope it won't be too long, in fact, before you're back at work. thank you. - tonight live, the happiness pill, the terrorist godfathers and circuses. are they right to use domestic cats? roll up, roll up, it's central weekend. @@ -7794,7 +7789,7 @@ welcome. we start tonight with a big row that's brewing over this little pill. it's new and it's given to people who feel depressed. your doctor prescribes it as prozac but it's already earned the nickname the happiness pill, but is it safe? -oliver what's so wonderful about prozac as an antidepressant? +oliver what's so wonderful about prozac as an antidepressant? well it doesn't actually make less people depressed that its predecessors, the great thing about it is is that it only only one quarter of the people who take it get side effects. so the old tricyclic antidepressants make you know most people get a lot of side effects. the second this about it, it's certainly not addictive in any way, it's not like the barbiturates valium and so on. @@ -7808,7 +7803,7 @@ it's a load o crap. the i feel as if i'm in a time war, i really do. twenty years ago i was on programmes li , was central weekend on twenty years ago, i don't , twenty years ago -feels like it +feels like it i was on, sorry? feels like it well twenty years ago i was on programmes like this, saying that doctors who said that valium and the other tranquillizers were perfectly safe were talking rubbish and that there was every possibility that there would be problems found in the future, if we kept prescribing these drugs for vast numbers of people. @@ -7826,7 +7821,7 @@ it's being it is being prescribed t for huge numbers of people, it's being promo i have in front of me a copy of the data sheet produced by the company which makes it, which was incidentally the same company which made opran, do you remember opran which was withdrawn from the market, it's just what's this got to do wi it's got nothing to do with opran. got an enormous amount to do with opran because you don't seem to understand the way the drug companies work. -they put a drug on the market and they say that it's wonderful and that the side effects are irrelevant and very slight and that everybody's gonna be very happy and it's a new wonder drug and it'll change the world and isn't that marvellous. +they put a drug on the market and they say that it's wonderful and that the side effects are irrelevant and very slight and that everybody's gonna be very happy and it's a new wonder drug and it'll change the world and isn't that marvellous. then a few years later when the problems develop they say, oh god we're terribly sorry, we'll take the drug off the market. let me be six million people in the world are taking this drug saying it's really really helping them and you're telling them it's crap. @@ -7853,21 +7848,21 @@ deny those studies. but what i am saying is that the that the side yeah, yes, no, very, look hold on effects would not be known, would not be known for a considerable period of time. -le let me bring in dr c er vernon let me bring in dr cosmo here, vernon. -no l hang on a minute let me +le let me bring in dr c er vernon let me bring in dr cosmo here, vernon. +no l hang on a minute let me no i i i just want to move it around a bit vernon . nobody's denying these are im these are important and we should talk about the side effects that are associated . we will we will we will i have we will. -dr cosmo . -nobody nobody denies that prozac has side effects. +dr cosmo . +nobody nobody denies that prozac has side effects. what the it has less side effects than other treatments. what i emerges is depression is a common condition which is under-diagnosed and under-treated. one in eight people who are seriously depressed er end up killing themselves by suicide. about ten people a day kill themselves by suicide, maybe maybe one in a thousand people who take prozac get bad reactions to it, but that has to be seen in balance, in the balance of a large number of people deriving a lot of benefit and maybe a few people having some bad reactions. donna , you took it, what happened? yeah, well let me just say first, i'm an agony aunt, a medical journalist, i've got a psychology degree, i've written health books, and as a punter i took prozac by accident. -i suffered what erm is known from as postnatal depression after i had my second baby. +i suffered what erm is known from as postnatal depression after i had my second baby. and i fought it for a long time and i wanted to get kick-started back to where i was before, because i felt under a cloud. well i went and i had a different drug from prozac, i had something which is actually newer and er which one? @@ -7886,10 +7881,10 @@ once i took the drug i was okay to a certain extent. okay now this prozac's in the same group of substances as the one i took and i was willing to do a slight trade-off here. okay what happened was, i had no emotional reactions to anything, i wanted to cry at something on t v, i couldn't any more, i couldn't cry. -i g well i'll tell you later about what else happened to me +i g well i'll tell you later about what else happened to me isn't aren't those symptoms of depression rather than actually the drug? listen let me finish. -i went back to my doctor after two months and said well i feel a bit better, can i a few more months. +i went back to my doctor after two months and said well i feel a bit better, can i a few more months. okay fine, he then gave me, i didn't know, i was on prozac for a month. now he s he thought he was giving me the same stuff, i didn't know what i was on, all i knew was i felt twice as bad. i went home and i st i got very very anxious, i started feeling suicidal, i was blubbering at everything on the television, now i could cry but i was crying too much. @@ -7898,9 +7893,9 @@ this is not the same drug. oh yes it is they're medically quite similar. what is it? it was prozac. -well y you know,th the evidence is overwhelming that these drugs are actually good for depression, that they lift the symptoms, that they reduce suicidal +well y you know,th the evidence is overwhelming that these drugs are actually good for depression, that they lift the symptoms, that they reduce suicidal fifteen per cent have got suicidal on it, that's too high -i'm sorry fifteen per cent of of depressed people commit suicide, not fifteen per cent of people who take prozac get suicidal. +i'm sorry fifteen per cent of of depressed people commit suicide, not fifteen per cent of people who take prozac get suicidal. the evidence is fifteen per cent, the latest research says the evidence is just against that you know the evidence is totally contrary to that . @@ -7919,9 +7914,9 @@ then why did you take the drug then? why did you why didn't you stop taking it? because you trust your doctor . because it was making me so bad. -doctor prescribed it and we trust the g ps for . +doctor prescribed it and we trust the g ps for . then why do you go to your g p ? -i've heard all this tripe about and there were tested on prisoners. +i've heard all this tripe about and there were tested on prisoners. in the u s and she can verify that . this was this was exactly what we were saying why do you go to your g ps? @@ -7948,7 +7943,7 @@ the food and drugs administration really are absolutely now you're always making a balance in developing drugs and i have nothing to do with the drug industry, i'm a g p, you have a balance between trying to move things forward to get people better and on the other hand making sure that you're not going to do them any great harm. any new drug in britain is, every year the g p who's prescribing that for you gets a letter from a centre down in southampton to ask if there've been any adverse reactions. so we monitor as carefully as we can. -yes there are +yes there are the food and drug administration the food and drug administration condones tampering of scientific data in the pre-release trials by , we have the documentation on that, which has been a obtained under the freedom o of information act. yes. it condones it. @@ -7975,8 +7970,8 @@ they've died there's thirteen hundred hang on a second let him answer. let him answer. -i feel very sorry for the people living who are here -can i just say +i feel very sorry for the people living who are here +can i just say vernon adverse reactions. th about a quarter of people do unfortunately and they have to stop taking it. @@ -7987,7 +7982,7 @@ i wasn't. no listen listen, i'm gonna i'm gonna talk to someone here who's probably er only here because you're on prozac, aren't you ? that's right yes. peter, you you take prozac? -i take prozac . +i take prozac . why? erm completely disabling anxiety and depression that is moderate but persistent. and it needed something to break that cycle. @@ -8014,7 +8009,7 @@ no it's now he was severely depressed. it's interesting cos you said it helps people with mild depression . no, no. no he didn't actually -and persistent +and persistent right persistent and moderate depression. okay bu yes now i'm not arguing that for some depressed people it's there's always side effects of some kind, okay, peter, i wanted to ask you a very personal question. well he just told you he didn't have any side effects . @@ -8023,13 +8018,13 @@ now wait a minute. have you ever been on proz have you ever been on prozac oliver? no. alright. -well you won't be able to orgasm on it, okay?sexuality +well you won't be able to orgasm on it, okay?sexuality but i'm asking you to address his point. you've just told this man you've just told this man that he his experience is invalid. you said to him that there's no no i didn't. -i +i such thing as a pill without side effects, he just said he had no side effects. to to introduce to introduce one or two patients who ar who are happy with the drug is is irrelevant as you should know exactly. @@ -8037,13 +8032,13 @@ because people took thalidomide and were very happy with it, people took opran a take penicillin and die of it because they have an allergic reaction. even more people have died of overdoses of aspirin than any other drug in the world. we didn't ban those . -let let me tell you about the damned side effects of this drug, because people are entitled to know what they . +let let me tell you about the damned side effects of this drug, because people are entitled to know what they . listen i've got, vernon i i've got some people who have had the side effects. let me interview them because there's nothing like a human story okay, bye, okay, i'll go home -a personal face of this whole thing, i i ought to say that we did ask the drug company to send some along or er and they said no er but -strange -but they but they we have got a man here who is the first in this country, mr to sue them. +a personal face of this whole thing, i i ought to say that we did ask the drug company to send some along or er and they said no er but +strange +but they but they we have got a man here who is the first in this country, mr to sue them. erm you took prozac that's correct. erm, what kind of person were you before, apart from a bit depressed? @@ -8079,16 +8074,16 @@ psychiatric hospitals, there must have been something wrong with you. it's hard enough to get into if you're crazy. yes, go on. one of things on this drug is that we have many cases documented on this where people don't realize the incredible grotesque feelings they have of mutilating themselves et cetera are actually connected to the drug. -and it's only when they see publicity of the drug that they actually realize +and it's only when they see publicity of the drug that they actually realize i tried to kill myself twice in the space of ten days, i suffered horrendous hallucinations people do you know. -government initiative to reduce the incidence of suicide by er is it er five per cent over the next years because so many +government initiative to reduce the incidence of suicide by er is it er five per cent over the next years because so many are you saying there's no connection between the drug depressed people do kill themselves. -that's just rubbish. +that's just rubbish. it is. -and one of the key ways of stopping people killing themselves would be to change from the old antidepressants onto the more modern safer ones which a are easier to take, less likely to make you kill yourself, and er +and one of the key ways of stopping people killing themselves would be to change from the old antidepressants onto the more modern safer ones which a are easier to take, less likely to make you kill yourself, and er let let me introduce you to a nurse, a nurse called nicola. nicola nicola doesn't want to be identified. er nicola had a baby, she suffered from postnatal depression and er can i ask for a bit of hush there please, nicola suffered from postnatal depression and she took prozac. @@ -8139,7 +8134,7 @@ mm, mm was spinning, i thought i was gonna jump off the roof, i rang my g p and said, you never told me i had to decrease this dose, hang on just get through the weekend, he never told me what to expect,an i i feel like suing him. we, we -i i've just been told i've just been told that our entire switchboard is totally lit up. +i i've just been told i've just been told that our entire switchboard is totally lit up. one person has had bad side effects, the rest of our callers think it's wonderful. but can i just answer that because hopefully we do we do try to listen and we try to give you what information you're capable of taking at the time. if you're in a very distressed state you can't take . @@ -8155,16 +8150,16 @@ before before i come back to you cosmo, before i come back to you i want to talk to nicola. you wanted to say something nicola. yes i just wanted to say that, can i just say that within about three days of coming off the drug, all my symptoms of feeling violent, murderous, suicidal completely disappeared and they've never come back since, and all i've had since then is a dose of vitamin b six every day. -so th you are in no doubt that that's was +so th you are in no doubt that that's was no doubt at all. wh w when testing a new drug, you're trading off th th the the level of testing you can do, it takes about a hundred millions pounds to produce a new drug, it takes about ten years from test tube to getting a licence. so you can test it more thoroughly but in that case, a you put the costs up and b it takes longer before it gets actually, before patients get the benefits of it. -so the big argument at present about th for example in other medications is that people are being treatment . +so the big argument at present about th for example in other medications is that people are being treatment . okay vernon. the the the quality of drug company testing is abysmal. much of the e well hang on a moment. -hang on a -it fulfils regulations both the f d a you know. +hang on a +it fulfils regulations both the f d a you know. never mind the regulations is it good enough? the the quality of testing by drug companies is appalling. one in six patients in hospital in britain are there because they've been made ill by doctors. @@ -8186,7 +8181,7 @@ you have? what do you mean yes of course i have, you have received money from a drug company . yes i know about the drug industry. how much? -he knows about +he knows about i know about the drug industry, i do clinical trials, i do research for them . you d so you work for drug companies? yes of course i do. @@ -8211,13 +8206,13 @@ now listen answer the question i asked you, answer the question i asked you, she yes. but because of the bad experiences, when the drug companies have said for years, trust us, we've researched it, we've developed it, you know it's it passed the f d a rules, and then there's atavan and valium and all the things that we had halcyon and there's a horror story at the end of the day. and now you have prozac, why should we believe them this time? -well i think the drug industry and i don't represent them, but i think the drug industry +well i think the drug industry and i don't represent them, but i think the drug industry but you got money from them. well you know have you have you done any work for this company ? vernon, vernon i want the answer to this one. no i've never done any work for . -you've never done any work +you've never done any work on this particular product? why should we trust them this time? i think thirty years down the line, valium was developed in nineteen sixty one. @@ -8225,15 +8220,15 @@ now we've had all the bad news. w w we're still having bad news but now we that's right learnt, we hope that we learn as we go along and that the same mistakes don't get made again. -but a twenty years ago, twenty years ago -falsify the testing results, i have that documentation +but a twenty years ago, twenty years ago +falsify the testing results, i have that documentation this here, this here is thirteen hundred, the list is thirteen hundred deaths, thirteen hundred deaths due to prozac. we're sitting in this room and we're hearing a lot of people who've had bad experiences with prozac and other drugs. twenty five per cent of people who take the drug have bad effects. -that's a lot +that's a lot the drug companies say that. -i'm terribly sorry madam, i'm terribly sorry madam, you might die if you take this drug -nobody's who's died has ever been depressed after they've taken +i'm terribly sorry madam, i'm terribly sorry madam, you might die if you take this drug +nobody's who's died has ever been depressed after they've taken listen vernon, vernon has ever been killed by prozac, and you know it vernon . the the drug company says @@ -8241,8 +8236,8 @@ okay i'm gonna go back relationship between okay dr , dr . hush -i'm very very concerned that we don't the . -the th there may be an argument, and i don't know the details of what's being said here, and i certainly would not defend any sort of the highest level of enquiry. +i'm very very concerned that we don't the . +the th there may be an argument, and i don't know the details of what's being said here, and i certainly would not defend any sort of the highest level of enquiry. but if one sixth of patients are in hospital as a result of what we've done wrong, five sixths are there because we haven't managed to stop them being there. so don't let's forget that. don't let's just say drugs are bad, because for every one that has a bad time, and some people have a terrible time, you say some people die, i accept that. @@ -8250,14 +8245,13 @@ okay. but a lot of people come out feeling a hell of a lot better. okay, i would like to thank everybody on this item who has taken part in the responsible bits of the debate. thank you all very much. - -i know but erm if i don't see i'm gonna crack. +i know but erm if i don't see i'm gonna crack. ah. right. organize you for doing that scan. mhm. see what's going on. -that's the results about ten minutes ago, an hour ago. +that's the results about ten minutes ago, an hour ago. yeah. and that's clear as well. so @@ -8286,7 +8280,7 @@ aha. who's that? my aunty peggy . my dad's sister. -i was in there once but +i was in there once but she just went after he daughter. her daughter died of cancer and then a year later her oh right. @@ -8299,7 +8293,7 @@ aye. oh aye. so i'm definitely not pregnant? definitely not pregnant. -my body's just dying. +my body's just dying. . you mean i'm not heading for the end of me. four weeks, would have shown up on that. @@ -8322,7 +8316,7 @@ trinordiol. and now it's norimin. so it could it might just be that that's causing the problem. but we'll get you checked out. -now see if we get whether i can get us fitted in. +now see if we get whether i can get us fitted in. mm right. might manage it today. mm. @@ -8345,20 +8339,19 @@ and if they can do it this afternoon or tomorrow morning, aye. we'll let you know right away. it shouldn't be too long? -it should oh no it shouldn't be hopefully within +it should oh no it shouldn't be hopefully within . i know. yeah. right thanks. right cheerio now. - yes. -well i was born, born at in nineteen eleven. +well i was born, born at in nineteen eleven. so it's quite a long while ago and i've travelled round quite a bit since then. my father was a methodist minister. so we moved round every three or at the most four years, and er we we've been up in scotland and er yorkshire, lancashire, and down east anglia. and er it wasn't until he came up to a, er in the skegness circuit when i was eighteen that's when i started nursing. -and erm i ca i came to in the first place because it was the best teaching hospital in the midlands at that time. +and erm i ca i came to in the first place because it was the best teaching hospital in the midlands at that time. and er it was near home as well so i, i should be able to get home for days off. that was the, the main thing. oh was that, that was nice. @@ -8368,11 +8361,11 @@ no er in the methodist er ci circuits they move them on, they're, they're invite least they were at that time. and then at the end of the three years you were either invited to stay an, an extra year or s you were, you were sort of er you had an invitation from some other circuit. to go there. -they used to send the stewards round and er you you'd suddenly see two new people in the congregation and they'd come to hear the minister preach to see if he was a good preacher and then they'd go back to report. +they used to send the stewards round and er you you'd suddenly see two new people in the congregation and they'd come to hear the minister preach to see if he was a good preacher and then they'd go back to report. a and then he would either have an official invitation or should hear no more about it . but that was very difficult from th the children's point of view. there were, there were two erm boarding schools for methodist ministers' children. -there was for boys and for girls. +there was for boys and for girls. er and you could go to a boarding school but if you didn't you were moved round every three or four years at the most to a different school. er and my brother went to a boarding school but i didn't. and i've, it was always a big handicap because the syllabuses at different schools were different. @@ -8383,7 +8376,7 @@ mm. was there any reason why your brother was sent to a boarding school but you weren't? well not really. boys in those days they were always given the best education. -girls it wasn't nearly so important that they should be er er an and also i, i don't think my parents thought i was really worth educating . +girls it wasn't nearly so important that they should be er er an and also i, i don't think my parents thought i was really worth educating . they didn't think i was very bright or very brainy. i was a very er quiet child and er very little self confidence. i think that was a lot of it. @@ -8394,13 +8387,13 @@ th that's where i, i really started in and sort of showed what i was made of. i could come out top in my exams then when i never did at school, i never did anything much at school at all. do you think this was er special to your family that you were treated as you weren't a brainy one or do you think that was the way girls were generally treated? i, i think it was largely the way most girls were treated. -th you know it was just the sort of it, it all changed after the first world war and completely changed after the second world war. +th you know it was just the sort of it, it all changed after the first world war and completely changed after the second world war. before then you, you were sort of, you were a girl. you stayed at home and helped in the home until you were old enough. then you got married then and that was sort of the sum total of it. and it wasn't really until after the first world war when things really sort of er got started and er women sort of carried on and, and they do take jobs and occupations er that they sort of really came into their own. -and certainly during the second world war where they kept things going an and could prove that they were as good as any man . -but even until ooh when, i, i can remember my daughter when she er was going to university. +and certainly during the second world war where they kept things going an and could prove that they were as good as any man . +but even until ooh when, i, i can remember my daughter when she er was going to university. there were certain subjects that they said, keep off, because it doesn't matter how clever you are. it doesn't matter how good a degree you get. it will go for nothing. @@ -8419,8 +8412,8 @@ i think most people were the same in those days. did you have to help around the house when you were a child? not a great deal. we, we were expected, we did, we were expected to keep our own rooms tidy. -and make our own beds but not, not a great deal. -you see in those days i people i servants were so you could get servants so easily ev even if you didn't have somebody living in er you, you'd have a daily person. +and make our own beds but not, not a great deal. +you see in those days i people i servants were so you could get servants so easily ev even if you didn't have somebody living in er you, you'd have a daily person. they saw to all the washing up. er and that sort of thing. but no we weren't expected to do a lot in the house. @@ -8433,7 +8426,7 @@ which meant we'd always got somebody in the house, sort of baby-sitting really. that, that's her main, she used to sort of look after things and baby-sit for us in the evenings. ha have you got any particular memories of your earliest childhood? not a great deal. -i, i can remember we were at in lancashire. +i, i can remember we were at in lancashire. that was during the first world war, i should be i suppose about five then. er we er my father was chaplain to a big military hospital there. and it was always sort of open house and the nurses used to come in when they were off duty a lot. @@ -8468,10 +8461,10 @@ i mean it just wasn't talked about. you, you, you, you, girls used to get married in those days, and they were extremely innocent, they'd really no idea at all. and yo when i look back an and er and think of even when i first started nursing a lot of the girls we used to get in, they thought if they kissed a man they were going to have a baby. they were very innocent. -but er things have changed a lot these days . +but er things have changed a lot these days . yes. what kind of job did your grandfather do? -ah he was a, he was a headmaster at a methodist school at in yorkshire. +ah he was a, he was a headmaster at a methodist school at in yorkshire. and er he'd worked his way up as a teacher, then he, he was a headmaster. and even then i, i would have sa thought he, he was very up to date. he used to have very definite ideas of, of er how to treat children. @@ -8483,7 +8476,7 @@ and he'd got a boy who did stutter and he always used to go to granddad before e but always hold it, keep it and if you're holding that stone you won't stutter. and he didn't. and he got so he could gradually do without it and he never stuttered again. -most amazing thing . +most amazing thing . did he probably, you know, lack of self confidence or something like that. but it did the trick. @@ -8508,7 +8501,7 @@ but everything she, everything she did always had some embroidery on. she never did anything jus just plain. it was amazing really and even, she was eighty two when she died and even then she was knitting her own jumper suits. and embroidery. -even the canary cover had an embroidery on it. +even the canary cover had an embroidery on it. it was amazing . she'd ge nothing everything she did she had to sort of beautify it and put some embroidery on it. i, i take it that she didn't have a job as well. @@ -8528,7 +8521,7 @@ but other than that i don't think, women didn't do much i mean even in shops, th so you didn't get women going out, nothing like, not like they do these days. and when you went to school, can you remember what wh that was like? well i was never very happy at school. -i never seemed to be sort of up to the other scholars at all. +i never seemed to be sort of up to the other scholars at all. but er it was, the discipline was very much stricter than it is er today. er nowadays so many things are just accepted that in those days they wouldn't be. i can remember one, one girl, i mean the great sin was to steal anything, and er they'd found in her, her satchel somebody else's pencil. @@ -8537,7 +8530,7 @@ sent home and that was it. but er any pinching or anything like that ooh it was erm it just wasn't accepted at all. it was a terrible crime. whereas now i mean it's a case of if you lose anything it's your own fault for putting it down. -it's, it's a terrible state of affairs really. +it's, it's a terrible state of affairs really. it's not improved at all. and of course the discipline in the classroom er it was very strict. there was neve never any talking in class. @@ -8588,7 +8581,7 @@ the kind of games you played? well i suppose w we, yes we used to have erm hopscotch,th different seasons. i can't remember the seasons now, the different seasons brought out different games. there was hopscotch, er and then all of a sudden everybody would start with hoops. -you couldn't do that these days, the traffic's too bad but we used to have wooden hoops or we'd have er iron hoops. +you couldn't do that these days, the traffic's too bad but we used to have wooden hoops or we'd have er iron hoops. er and then skipping ropes, that was another thing. er they, there were seasons for all these things and then erm balls, we used to used to play balls up against the walls. er but er th th oh and tops, that were another thing. @@ -8635,9 +8628,9 @@ it was really very hard work and he used to come back absolutely smothered in co so i think he was down for about six months before he left. where was that? er do you know, i don't know. -it'd be in one of the, the pits. +it'd be in one of the, the pits. i don't remember which one it was. -he was married by that time and erm living down at but i don't think it, it would be fairly near there. +he was married by that time and erm living down at but i don't think it, it would be fairly near there. it wouldn't be too far out. can we turn now then to your own career? you'd decided to go into nursing, and you've said you'd always wanted @@ -8652,11 +8645,11 @@ er even the headmaster said, he tried to put me off. he said, oh you know it's very hard work. you have to clean a lot of brasses, but i mean i wasn't gonna be put off. and it was er it, it, when i, i was eighteen in the march. -and i started at the general hospital er in on may the first nineteen twenty nine. +and i started at the general hospital er in on may the first nineteen twenty nine. so why why do you think people were trying to put you off? i don't think they thought i was cut out or suitable for nursing. -i don't i don't know why they shouldn't . +i don't i don't know why they shouldn't . but whether they thought it was going to be too hard work, and, and it certainly was very hard work. but if you are doing something you, you like and want and enjoy doing er you, you don't mind working hard, at all. but it was very hard work. @@ -8679,7 +8672,7 @@ and i and i don't know whether they still have the wooden lockers now but they u the outside polished. er it, it was very hard work. there's no getting away from it. -and when you were pros you did, you got all the mucky jobs to do as well. +and when you were pros you did, you got all the mucky jobs to do as well. they always used to call us mucky little pros. and for all for er for that er you got, you, you well you got your keep er and i don't really think there was anything wrong with the food, it was the way it was cooked. it was terribly badly cooked. @@ -8688,10 +8681,10 @@ you either got tuck boxes from home or you had to supplement it with your own ea we got two pounds a month. and out of that you had to keep yourself in stockings, er and shoes for the ward. er and you, you, you provided yourself with the uniform before you came as a student nurse so that was alright for the first year, so you'd no uniform to provide. -but er i often wonder what the nurses today would think if they if that's all they n they got . +but er i often wonder what the nurses today would think if they if that's all they n they got . i know m money did go much farther in those days but there certainly wasn't very much to spare at all. erm -you kept so busy it seems a waste of time to ask you what your social life was like as a student nurse ? +you kept so busy it seems a waste of time to ask you what your social life was like as a student nurse ? it was nil. absolutely. there was never any time at all. @@ -8711,7 +8704,7 @@ absolutely nothing. it was as dead as anything. were all the student nurses about the same age? yes. -yo occasionally you got somebody who was a little bit older but no we were nearly always, i don't think anyone much older could have stood the pace actually . +yo occasionally you got somebody who was a little bit older but no we were nearly always, i don't think anyone much older could have stood the pace actually . er we did have one person who was in her early twenties but er she gave it up. er you know she couldn't stick it, she, she gave it up, it was too hard work. and do you think they all came from the same kind of background as yourself or were they more working people? @@ -8724,7 +8717,7 @@ but erm no we there were, there were all sorts er there was, they used to come i er there was a stationmaster's daughter there i remember. erm no, no, we were a good old cross section i think really. in those days you know it, it was a vocation. -you certainly didn't do it for the money . +you certainly didn't do it for the money . er you, you did it because you really wanted to and it, it, it was a satisfying job. and that's what i think it, it's, i'm wondering now if the nurses today get the satisfaction from the job that we got in those early days. it was very hard work but you felt, well i've done a good day's work when you'd finished. @@ -8733,7 +8726,7 @@ and course you, other than the half an hour for a meal in the middle of the nigh so erm where do you think your satisfaction came from in the job? well i suppose you i i i th th the patients were very very grateful for anything that you did. -we did get them better a lot of them at any rate . +we did get them better a lot of them at any rate . er and i think there w there was that satisfaction that you, you were doing something to help people get better. and they'd, they'd come in for surgery and you know you'd nurse them back again. get them up on their feet. @@ -8741,7 +8734,7 @@ and there was a satisfaction about it although i always think in those days we h it was a case of, i mean we used to start and wash them at three o'clock in the morning because t you had to start then because you'd never get it all done. you had to get everything done by the day staff coming on at seven. er and if you didn't start at that early hour you'd, you'd, you'd never, they used to get, sit up in bed, have a wash,then lie down again and go to sleep . -i mean i don't think they do, they do that these days, i hope not any rate . +i mean i don't think they do, they do that these days, i hope not any rate . but you just had to do that sort of thing, i, we used to feel awfully sorry for the patients but you had, they had do it because they wouldn't have got a wash otherwise, there was so mu so much to do. i don't suppose the unions would put up with it these days but er ha there weren't such things as unions for nurses in those days. was there nothing that even the full er fully trained nurses could join? @@ -8766,11 +8759,11 @@ i, i did have it and erm that was a help. the standard, standard of, of exams were pretty high, there's no getting away from that they were pretty high. because you'd sort of, they, they'd go up and then if, if you went any farther you'd go on to the doctors' lectures you see. so they were pretty high in those days. -now it was the general hospital in where you did your training. +now it was the general hospital in where you did your training. that's it, yes. erm, can you remember what it was like generally in terms of facilities? erm it wasn't too bad. -we had our own bedrooms and that was saying quite a bit, because er the, the nurses home had been built er for the er as a sort of war memorial for after the first world war which was one of the most sensible war memorials i think anyone could have er provided . +we had our own bedrooms and that was saying quite a bit, because er the, the nurses home had been built er for the er as a sort of war memorial for after the first world war which was one of the most sensible war memorials i think anyone could have er provided . and we all had er our own bedrooms, which was nice. they weren't very big, but er they'd got a wardrobe, a be a single bed and er dressing table and drawers. er and then we had about, ooh there'd be about ooh twenty of us to four bathrooms. @@ -8791,7 +8784,7 @@ and many, and many a time tutor sister would rap on the desk and say, come on, w she was very good. very . but we used to have to take notes during the lecture a and then write the lectures up afterwards. -so you could always borrow somebody else's notes to write them up . +so you could always borrow somebody else's notes to write them up . but nowadays of course they have a day off for lectures. er it's much better really. but we did get terribly tired. @@ -8799,7 +8792,7 @@ and we had one day off a month. and if you were on night duty you'd get two nights off, but when you came back you'd, you'd, you'd have to be on duty that night so you'd have to go to bed that day. but we neve we never complained, no we, we, you know, we, we did, i suppose everybody worked harder in those days. i, i mean they did on the farms. -i su i suppose erm things are easier now. +i su i suppose erm things are easier now. and of course nowadays there's so much er things that er we use, there are so much labour saving things now that which makes a big difference. i think they've all got their own washing machines on the ward and that sort of thing, whereas we had to do it by hand and then bundle it all up and send it down to the laundry. were there things which the student nurses did complain about at all? @@ -8807,8 +8800,8 @@ no, we didn't. we wer were there because we wanted to be there. erm and no, i don't remember. we, we might grumble a bit amongst ourselves but we, we'd never dream of, of making a, a sort of an official complaint. -i i don't think , we had a matron who was extremely strict and i don't think we would've dared to say anything to her at all. -she used to sit behind her desk looking very prim and proper, and er i don't, i don't quite honestly think we would've dared say anything to her at all. +i i don't think , we had a matron who was extremely strict and i don't think we would've dared to say anything to her at all. +she used to sit behind her desk looking very prim and proper, and er i don't, i don't quite honestly think we would've dared say anything to her at all. what sort of things was she strict about? er er the way we looked. we, we were not allowed to look er pretty on the wards or anything like that. @@ -8820,20 +8813,20 @@ er and always always clean and in those, even when you were, you had to behave y and we were never allowed to go out in uniform, we always had to change er into mufti. but er n no, she was, she was, she was very particular even on the wards everything had to be just so. er she used to start coming round the wards about ten o'clock. -and er there were two nurses always detailed to go around about half past nine and tidy all the beds up and the patients had got to look like patients . +and er there were two nurses always detailed to go around about half past nine and tidy all the beds up and the patients had got to look like patients . they'd got to sit up and lean against their pillows and their sheets had got to be turned down. er very, very neat, very tidy. and er all, all magazines and papers had to be put away. it was alright when she'd done the round they could, they could er bring them out again then, but not until then. and she'd go round and sort of s say, good morning, good morning. -er very prim and proper, and and er er she'd go all the way round and she'd soon tell you if there was, if the beds weren't tidy. +er very prim and proper, and and er er she'd go all the way round and she'd soon tell you if there was, if the beds weren't tidy. or if any, the locker wasn't straight, everything had to be very, very straight, very, very correct. were the other senior nursing staff like her in their attitudes to prim primness and correctness or were some of them laxer than that? they were a bit laxer but a lot of them were very very strict. mind you it was their ward and, and yo you were there to learn and they were there t to teach. and you did the job properly. er which it wasn't a bad, a bad . -so sometimes the sisters would, would really sort of get it in for a nurse and she'd and they could make your life very unpleasant indeed . +so sometimes the sisters would, would really sort of get it in for a nurse and she'd and they could make your life very unpleasant indeed . but on the whole they weren't too bad. they weren't too bad, not on, not on the whole. you certainly did learn, you learnt to do things properly. @@ -8841,28 +8834,28 @@ you see. did any nurses ever get asked to leave? erm, oh yes, yes. i mean if you weren't in at whe when you were in your third and fourth year, it was a four year er training, er in third and fourth years you were allowed to stay out till ten o'clock at night. -but if you weren't in by ten the doors were locked. -so of course we used to sort of try and get in in the nurses' home through a ground floor window. -and if you were caught letting somebody in through a ground floor window about eleven o'clock a night , that, that was it. +but if you weren't in by ten the doors were locked. +so of course we used to sort of try and get in in the nurses' home through a ground floor window. +and if you were caught letting somebody in through a ground floor window about eleven o'clock a night , that, that was it. you was, were dismissed on the spot, that was it. that was the ultimate crime was it? yes. oh it, it was, yes. -and i don't know wh i mean it was ridiculous even in those days, ten o'clock was very early. +and i don't know wh i mean it was ridiculous even in those days, ten o'clock was very early. but er no you weren't allowed out. and even then er you had to ask for permission to stay out till ten. you, you weren't auto sort of automatically allowed out till ten you had to go to the office and say, please may i stay out till ten. i am going to do so and so, or i am going to the pictures or i, i'm going to so and so's for tea. er and then you were allowed. but it er, when you're looking back it, it seems very ridiculous these days. -they really did er they commanded your entire life. +they really did er they commanded your entire life. you were there for four years and the they, they didn't just, if you weren't in by ten and you didn't get your proper night's sleep then you wouldn't be any good on the wards the next morning. that was their er the their way of looking at it. er that you, you had to have your sleep otherwise you were, you weren't er you, you couldn't a attend to your lectures and, and do your work the next day. you had, you had to get your night's sleep and proper rest. do you think that was an attitude to that was erm unique to nursing at the time or do you think erm that possibly girls in other walks of life had the same kind of experience of discipline and demands on them? -well i suppose probably people li like nursemaids and er and er what they used to call in those days mothers' helps, who used to sort of be a general skivvy around the house and would look after the children, and, and, and they were the same, they had to be in i think at, at sort of ten o'clock at night. -erm and at that ti but other than that, mind you i su i suppose that if, if i'd been at home i should have probably been expected to be in, but i don't think i should have been locked out. +well i suppose probably people li like nursemaids and er and er what they used to call in those days mothers' helps, who used to sort of be a general skivvy around the house and would look after the children, and, and, and they were the same, they had to be in i think at, at sort of ten o'clock at night. +erm and at that ti but other than that, mind you i su i suppose that if, if i'd been at home i should have probably been expected to be in, but i don't think i should have been locked out. i should have been allowed in if i was five minutes late . yes. were boys treated in the same way do you think? @@ -8897,42 +8890,42 @@ you know i was completely on my own i, i'd got to make my own decisions. so it really was, it, it was quite nice having that six months. when you'd got your qualifications was there a big difference between the status of the trained nurse and the student nurses? oh yes, yes. -the they er even in the dining room you, you sort of, there were long tables, well when you came in as, as a student nurse you were right at the bottom of the table, and as you, you know, the second year, third year, fourth year, you gradually moved up and then the, the state registered nurses they all sat together. +the they er even in the dining room you, you sort of, there were long tables, well when you came in as, as a student nurse you were right at the bottom of the table, and as you, you know, the second year, third year, fourth year, you gradually moved up and then the, the state registered nurses they all sat together. now i think they have sep little tables now but in those days they were long, just long trestle tables. yes you did you, you, you erm you, you were sort of treated differently, yes you were definitely. did you get er different privileges as, as you became the fully qualified nurse then? yes,y yes, you, you were, you'd sort of passed all your exams so yo th they sort of had to make it a little bit easier. you, you were allowed to, to stay out but erm you, you had to get permission. you weren't sort of allowed just in and out when you wanted to, you had to get permission to stay out late. -they liked to keep tabs on you even then . -did you stay at hospital after you'd finished your training? +they liked to keep tabs on you even then . +did you stay at hospital after you'd finished your training? er about six months. just, just a mere six months. and then what did you do? then i er decided i'd take my midwifery. -er so i went to , to the nursing home, i don't know whether it's still there. +er so i went to , to the nursing home, i don't know whether it's still there. it's a, it's a training, it was training school for midwives. and erm i was there for about a year. you, you could take, if you got your general your state registered nurse you could take your midwifery in a year. and erm that, that, first of all it was lectures and helping, you did get er patients coming in. there'd be about ooh twenty beds i think. and then er after that you, you went on the, on the district. -er you were called out at night and of course in those days you went round on a bicycle and you, you went round with your little black bag strapped on the back. +er you were called out at night and of course in those days you went round on a bicycle and you, you went round with your little black bag strapped on the back. and you'd, you'd, you'd be on call and the babies nearly always come at night. er and you'd er they'd er just bang on the door and, and call you and you had to be downstairs in five minutes. er and cycle to where it was. when you were a student midwife you went with a proper midwife. and er when you'd got on a bit you delivered the baby but the midwife was there to see you didn't make any mistakes and, and really to t teach you to do it. it was the practical side of it. -but erm yes sometimes you'd, you'd get there in time but you see they'd just, i, there, there weren't the telephones about in those days so you, you, you couldn't, everybody didn't have a phone, they couldn't ring in an and say i'm in labour. +but erm yes sometimes you'd, you'd get there in time but you see they'd just, i, there, there weren't the telephones about in those days so you, you, you couldn't, everybody didn't have a phone, they couldn't ring in an and say i'm in labour. it'd mean waiting till, often till the, the father came back from work and then he'd have to er sometimes come right up to the er to the nursing home er to tell you that, that they was, that she was in labour and would we please come. -er sometimes the police, if, if there was a police station near, they would phone a message through but er quite of quite often and then you'd, you'd get there and often you'd hear the baby was born by the time you got there . +er sometimes the police, if, if there was a police station near, they would phone a message through but er quite of quite often and then you'd, you'd get there and often you'd hear the baby was born by the time you got there . but it, it erm it, it was hard work in those days. -i, i can remember once i, i think it was hill, or i think it was estate, it was quite a new estate in those, in those days when i, when i was there. +i, i can remember once i, i think it was hill, or i think it was estate, it was quite a new estate in those, in those days when i, when i was there. erm and there was a hill out, that runs up to this housing estate out of, and it runs well through, really through the cemetery. there's a walled cemetery on one side and well in those days it had railings round the cemetery on the other side. -i expect they all went in the second world war . -er but i can remember going cycling up that hill,and the midwife was there as well,and there was a most awful scream came from this er this cemetery. +i expect they all went in the second world war . +er but i can remember going cycling up that hill,and the midwife was there as well,and there was a most awful scream came from this er this cemetery. it was moonlight too. and i have never got up that hill so fast in all my life . and i, it wasn't until afterwards i realized it was cats caterwauling. @@ -8987,18 +8980,18 @@ yes, i can remember one ,i it er she, she was a stocky little woman too. and she came in and she had this, this baby, and it was her thirteenth baby and it weighed fourteen pounds. and honestly it wasn't like a baby at all, a new baby, it was huge. and we called it the bull because it didn't cry, it sort of bellowed. -it was louder than all the other babies all put together . +it was louder than all the other babies all put together . and er during the, course in those days you stayed in bed for ten days, you were supposed to at any rate. and er all that, her other twelve children all came up to see her while she was there and they were beautifully kept, really well kept and well fed too. er he was a bus driver. so she'd managed alright. -i don't know whether she had any more, she said she hoped it was the last and i should think she did, thirteen children to look after . +i don't know whether she had any more, she said she hoped it was the last and i should think she did, thirteen children to look after . but you know medicine was, was very different in those days. i, i can remember erm when we ever had women in from the country they'd say, oh yes,y y my mother told me always to take raspberry, raspberry leaf tea. it always gives you a, an easy labour. now whether there was any truth in it or not i don't know but a lot of country women always used to have raspberry leaf tea during pregnancy. er and it always, they always used to say, oh yes you'll have a much easier labour if you do. -whether there was any truth in it or not i've no idea . +whether there was any truth in it or not i've no idea . but there wasn't the, the erm ante natal care that there is these days, i mean there were no erm when you went round to se if you were a midwife and you went round to see the prospective mother you'd say, now you are eating proper meals aren't you? well that, that's as much as they ever got. you never said you know, are you eating fruit or are you taking vitamins? @@ -9006,7 +8999,7 @@ i mean nowadays everybody has vitamin pills whether they need them or not. they make quite sure they are getting enough vitamins. but in those days th they didn't. and er i mean there, there are not the relaxating exercises th that they have now. -i don't know whether they they, i suppose they really didn't have the time. +i don't know whether they they, i suppose they really didn't have the time. see nowadays there's so much more in the way of erm labour saving devices. in those days the washing was done in a good old copper boiling on a monday and light the fire underneath it and this sort of thing. er i don't suppose they had much time for, for relaxing and sitting down. @@ -9020,8 +9013,8 @@ and th they'd examine the mother. and er a and then they'd go, they'd, they'd, if the mother was strong healthy and everything was going alright they'd probably leave it another month before they went. or if they were worried about it then they they'd go sooner. but you'd perhaps go three or four times before the baby was born and er just see everything was alright and you'd know which way the baby was lying a and which way it was going to er you know come and if you thought there was going to be any problems well you know then you, you would sort of let the doctor know and, and he'd decide then. -but erm i, i think a midwife, a good midwife, is every bit as good as a doctor because she's doing it all the time . -and she er she, she a lot of midwives were extremely clever in those days. +but erm i, i think a midwife, a good midwife, is every bit as good as a doctor because she's doing it all the time . +and she er she, she a lot of midwives were extremely clever in those days. and you didn't have the erm all the aids that they have now. i mean they put something round the mother's tummy and they can see the heart beat beating, whereas we, if we wanted to know if the baby was alright and er it wasn't getting distressed you'd just put a, a cloth on the mummy's tum and put your ear down to it and hear it that way. there were not the aids that there were now. @@ -9045,7 +9038,7 @@ but nowadays they just don't seem to bother at all. it's just sort of a foregone conclusion. no it was erm i was going to say much more natural in, in those days, i suppose in a way it was more natural. i don't think the babies were any worse or the mothers were any worse. -you see a working, well of course they do get them up nowadays, but in th you were supposed t to stay in bed for at least a fortnight after the mother was born but you a lot of these mothers used to hop out of bed when the midwife had gone, and, and i mean if they'd got two or three children and a husband coming in and they hadn't got a mother or a neighbour or somebody to come in and do the cooking,i i mean she'd just get up and get on with it herself. +you see a working, well of course they do get them up nowadays, but in th you were supposed t to stay in bed for at least a fortnight after the mother was born but you a lot of these mothers used to hop out of bed when the midwife had gone, and, and i mean if they'd got two or three children and a husband coming in and they hadn't got a mother or a neighbour or somebody to come in and do the cooking,i i mean she'd just get up and get on with it herself. they'd have to. i mean it wasn't done, and nobody knew about it, and no one said anything about it but it was. were there any anaesthetics in use during childbirth? @@ -9068,7 +9061,7 @@ er the baby probably wouldn't stand such a, a good chance. er and of course you, you'd get er, those days they didn't have cots the mother had the baby in bed with her. and i, i can remember a, a mother, she was a very big woman, she rolled onto her baby and, and suffocated the baby. now i, i can't imagine any mother doing it twice, but the first time they said it was an accident. -the baby of course suffocated. +the baby of course suffocated. er er but the second time the police came and asked quite a lot of questions about it. when she did it the second time. but erm, no, it, it yo i think there were sickly babies. @@ -9118,7 +9111,7 @@ it was never th not a, never even thought of. was family planning any part of your training at all? no, not really, no. no it wasn't. -erm were you as a midwife ever approached about abortions? +erm were you as a midwife ever approached about abortions? er n no. we, we were you know sort of asked, is there anything i can do to get rid of the baby? but er not really seriously because you see in those days it, it was illegal for anything like that. @@ -9146,7 +9139,7 @@ you'd go er before the baby was born and then you'd look after the baby for the er and you then you, you'd try your best and usually we, we could er get them to sleep the, the whole night through. they'd have the ten o'clock feed and then it, it'd sleep through till, till the six o'clock the next morning for the next morning feed. that's what you'd try to train him to do. -er but usually you'd have to give perhaps a drink of erm er water just, just warm water. +er but usually you'd have to give perhaps a drink of erm er water just, just warm water. er just in the middle of the night. you, you had to in those days you had to sort of er use your common sense because if you had a big healthy baby it's a long while to go right through ten o'clock at night till six o'clock the next morning. but usually that's what you tried to do, that's what you aimed at doing. @@ -9158,7 +9151,7 @@ er and then you'd er say, right now you're on your own now, er and, and if you'd she'd just er put him down at ten and, and that, that was that. in those days th there was a great do about babies sleeping in a room on their own. well i i and if it cried well you let it cry, you just let it go on crying until it was so tired it went to sleep. -erm i, i never did agree with that very much really. +erm i, i never did agree with that very much really. i don't think i could have stood it crying for hours on end . er usually if a baby cries it's usually trying to tell you something er and if, if by the time three or four weeks is up er you, you find out wh wh you know if there is anything wrong. but er usually a baby will be contented if it's being fed properly. @@ -9166,19 +9159,19 @@ erm an and it's, it's er it's kept dry and it's comfy. usually it'll be, it'll sleep from one feed to the next. could you tell me how you came to move from midwifery into private nursing? yes. -well it was when i'd finished my midwifery training i certainly stayed on a little while in er in doing a bit of district work. +well it was when i'd finished my midwifery training i certainly stayed on a little while in er in doing a bit of district work. s the only one i did do after we were married. i had my first bab theonly one i did do after we were married. i had my first baby oo and there were about ooh i should about think twelve nurses in the association. and we were either on call or, or we were sent out very quickly. -all over the place we went really, not just in , all round and er farther afield as well if they were short of private nurses. +all over the place we went really, not just in , all round and er farther afield as well if they were short of private nurses. and then of course i, i did quite a lot of children's nursing then, er but also general nursing as well, a bit o a bi some midwifery and er mainly ge general nursing. did you choose to move away from midwifery in that way or did er or was it just that er a job came up? no. erm i liked, i liked a bit more variety. it was a, i think if you really did midwifery er when you were doing it privately there was always a doctor there i sort of in charge as well. er but if not, if you are just doing midwifery i, i think you er really need to stick at it and just do that because it's, it's the more practise and the more babies you bring into the world the better you get at it. -you know you sort of er get i think yes i th i think you were sort of better at the job the mo the more practise you got, and the more you did it. +you know you sort of er get i think yes i th i think you were sort of better at the job the mo the more practise you got, and the more you did it. but i liked er general work, it, it brought all sorts of things in. different er different kinds of nursing. er medical and then sometimes people with a lot of money if they needed a not a particularly dangerous operation they'd have it done in their own homes. @@ -9196,15 +9189,15 @@ he said, well you see i've been smoking. i smoked one of daddy's cigars. and that's the reason he was so sick . he soon got better again, but i, i never told his parents. -they'd no idea why they'd been so sick . +they'd no idea why they'd been so sick . was it better paid whe in private nursing than in midwifery? erm yes. but if you erm went to an ordinary general case it was three pounds a week you got sal er for your er salary. but you did get your keep you see th you, you more, you usually, usually you lived with the family. -but if it was a very posh place er you'd probably have your meals with the housekeeper, which we used to enjoy better really . +but if it was a very posh place er you'd probably have your meals with the housekeeper, which we used to enjoy better really . er and then for midwifery you got four, four guineas a week. and out of that we paid half a crown ou in every guinea to the association because they got the jobs for us. -so it was the er , miss 's nursing association that we, we belonged to. +so it was the er , miss 's nursing association that we, we belonged to. and it was a fairly, fairly high, everybody was fully trained. it was erm, i used to enjoy it. used to go for sometimes two or three weeks, sometimes if it was a maternity a month, but i used to enjoy it. @@ -9212,13 +9205,13 @@ it, you, you used to meet a lot of different kinds of people and er not only tha it was very interesting. and you stayed in that kind of work until you got married,? that's right yes i did. -yes +yes how, how did you meet your husband? well i, i met him actually through er i was nursing erm a baby, she was only three months old and she'd had, she'd caught, from her older sister she'd caught whooping cough. er that's why i was there. and he was friendly with them, and i met him there. that's how i first met him . -so er we were introduced and the first time he took me out er he proposed to me but it, it, it took me six months to make my mind up . +so er we were introduced and the first time he took me out er he proposed to me but it, it, it took me six months to make my mind up . but er that's how i met him. did you get much free time to go out at all? no, very little. @@ -9228,13 +9221,13 @@ you were re really on call all the time. but erm it, it, i don't know, it we ne we never seemed to think anything about it at all. we, we perhaps would have a week or ten days in between cases. and then of course we could go out and er as much as we liked then. -we, all of us had er a bed-sitting room of our own which we kept on between cases cos we had to have somewhere to live and erm and then of course we, we'd come back there and make up for lost time really . +we, all of us had er a bed-sitting room of our own which we kept on between cases cos we had to have somewhere to live and erm and then of course we, we'd come back there and make up for lost time really . did you share a, a bed-sit or flat with someone else then? no, no. i had, i had one of my own. it, it wasn't a very big one. it was a put-u-up bed and i think i paid, i think it was a guinea a week for it. -it wasn't, you know, it wasn't very much not in in those days. +it wasn't, you know, it wasn't very much not in in those days. er and then of course you erm you shared a kitchen, we shared a kitchen. there were one, two, three, three bed-sitting rooms and one kitchen between us. and we used to sort of arrange it when one wasn't cooking the other one would be you know and this sort of thing. @@ -9282,10 +9275,10 @@ another would sometimes go back to work er if their son or dau well mainly the s er they probably would go back to, to work then, but it was usual for a married mother to stop at home. did you ever feel after having your own children that er you would have made a better midwife erm this experience than when you were single? er i think i should certainly have made a better nurse, yes, yes i think i should. -er i when we were midwives we used to say that was the way to bring a child up but w when you'd had your own you sort of bent the rules a little bit more . +er i when we were midwives we used to say that was the way to bring a child up but w when you'd had your own you sort of bent the rules a little bit more . er and i, i think i, i should have said if er la you know after i'd had my own, enjoy your babies while they're young because they grow up so quickly, whereas before it was a case of, don't pick them up when they, you know, if they cry leav let them cry. they're alright, they, it won't do them any harm. -whereas you know when mine began to cry it was a good excuse to give them a bit of a cuddle . +whereas you know when mine began to cry it was a good excuse to give them a bit of a cuddle . you looked at things differently, yes certainly you did. mhm. do you think that this sort of attitude is probably true today, that the kind of things we learn about child rearing are not the things we put into practise when we actually have children to bring up ourselves? @@ -9306,9 +9299,9 @@ unless you think it's really necessary and then you may drop a hint. but er yes i, i've certainly find, find that. i, i think grandparents have a very important part in a, in a growing child's life. very important. -in fact my grandchildren feel very deprived because they they haven't got a grandfather. +in fact my grandchildren feel very deprived because they they haven't got a grandfather. they've adopted one. -somebody somebody who lives quite near, they're a very nice old couple. +somebody somebody who lives quite near, they're a very nice old couple. so they said, well they didn't really want another granny but they, they wanted to adopt a granddad. yes, when was it that your husband died in fact? he died eighteen years ago, so of course he never saw @@ -9318,7 +9311,7 @@ so they, they, they do, they do miss him. what did your husband do when he was alive? well he was a photographer. er he used to do, we used to have a round each morning and collect all the films from the chemists and then we developed and printed them and took them back at night. -er ooh we had quite a round er in and , all the, all the way round the centre of . +er ooh we had quite a round er in and , all the, all the way round the centre of . er and also he had a studio, he specialized, he was very fond of children, he specialized in children's photos. so we were kept pretty busy. did you help him in this work? @@ -9327,7 +9320,7 @@ i used to do all the bookkeeping, before i lost my sight. i did all the bookkeeping. and er all the ordering and dealt with the auditors and the bank and that sort of thing. i did all that, he hated that sort of thing. -in fact he didn't understand it at all. +in fact he didn't understand it at all. which left him free to do all the practical work which he really liked. he also did weddings as well. now he, he liked doing that sort of thing. @@ -9339,16 +9332,16 @@ did you erm have a place of your own? yes, we did. -we had a little erm er house up in grove, just er on the er edge of park. +we had a little erm er house up in grove, just er on the er edge of park. er and then when the second world war started er we, we had to leave there and come down to the er sh to the sh shop really. it was a lock-up shop. er and we lived above the shop then. well we lived there er yes the whole, whole time, all our married life. he did move away for a while er and had er workrooms away from the, from the house and i just ran the, the shop. -but erm when i lost my sight then he had to close that down and come back so we were all under one roof again . +but erm when i lost my sight then he had to close that down and come back so we were all under one roof again . mm. -where was it that you had to move from during the war? -well it, it i expected that he would have to go and i should have to manage on my own and it was quite er er a, a way to come down to the shop. +where was it that you had to move from during the war? +well it, it i expected that he would have to go and i should have to manage on my own and it was quite er er a, a way to come down to the shop. we had a shop as well. er and it was much easier to be living on the premises, that's what we felt at the time. erm i think perhaps it was a good move in a, in a, in a way, i was, when the children did come along i you know i was, we were al i was all together under one roof. @@ -9360,7 +9353,7 @@ erm he, i think what he really must have had was er a sort of mild form of polio so erm they wouldn't take him in the army but he, he was in the more or less he was, he was in the map making department. which was we well rather up his er his you know his, his own work ph photography. it was all tied up together. -he went down to and trained here and then he came back and they made all the maps there. +he went down to and trained here and then he came back and they made all the maps there. they always knew where the next offensive was because they were making maps for them. and meanwhile you were still running the business during the war? that's it yes. @@ -9382,14 +9375,14 @@ er you see but the men a a at the front the that's what they wanted. snaps to send to the er the fathers and er boyfriends er at, at the front, that's what they really wanted. er anything special you know that sor children growing up and you know fathers not seeing them or wives having babies wh which you know they hadn't seen perhaps till they were two years old. so there was a lot of er, in fact we used to try to keep the films for er young couples with, with children. -it was sort of, so few came through it was very much sort of under the counter . +it was sort of, so few came through it was very much sort of under the counter . you, you kept them and you tried to sort of let people have them who you felt deserved them you know most. it was very difficult . but it was very difficult for these for young, young couples with the er er men at the front and perhaps they'd only just got married before the war and it was very hard lines on them. i often think er and then of course you see if, if they er the airmen, their wives used to try and get er digs near where the aerodromes were so they could see their menfolk. er and i always used to think it must be extremely, they'd hear them going out at night and you know then count the planes coming back. -i often think i wish you know we could capture some of those again i think it would jolly well i, i, i wish government could, could really sort of kn know what it was like. -i don't think they'd be so anxious to go to war if they did . +i often think i wish you know we could capture some of those again i think it would jolly well i, i, i wish government could, could really sort of kn know what it was like. +i don't think they'd be so anxious to go to war if they did . it was the young people th th that i think were hit the most. it was ver very hard on, on them. and er @@ -9413,17 +9406,16 @@ but er they, they did sort of th it was fairly distributed there's no, eggs you' and then they had a points system which meant that er you had so many points and you could, there were certain foods that were just on points and er you could choose to spend your points on whatever you wanted. you could get er pineapple jam, that was i tins of pineapple jam, that was one of the things. and tomato jam, which wasn't too bad really. -but we've never heard of it since . -er and not many fresh eggs but we did get dried eggs which were, were, it wasn't a bad substitute but it wasn't the same as a fresh egg but you could scramble them and you could use them for cooking but then you see there was very little fat. +but we've never heard of it since . +er and not many fresh eggs but we did get dried eggs which were, were, it wasn't a bad substitute but it wasn't the same as a fresh egg but you could scramble them and you could use them for cooking but then you see there was very little fat. erm you could get er er margarine. i think we had two ounces of margarine a week on each ration book, and butter i think we had an ounce of butter a week, and meat was very scarce. - good afternoon mr good afternoon to you. now you're going to tell me all about your experiences in the police aren't you? yes what can you remember about your first week, or when you joined the force? -well i have made some notes since you j can i just walk down and get them i want this to happen i made some notes, here. +well i have made some notes since you j can i just walk down and get them i want this to happen i made some notes, here. now, now i joined the force in june nineteen twenty three at ipswich and the force strength at that time was eighty seven, which was one thousand, no one constable per thousand population. now the training at that time was nil. yes. @@ -9434,9 +9426,9 @@ i was always with an older policeman. yes not often the same policeman, and i gained that experience when i found the way that they were examining property, the way they attended to accidents and street disturbances and they were pretty tough customers and i learnt a lot. now that went on for a month. -now, the first twelve months of anybody's service is a period of probation. +now, the first twelve months of anybody's service is a period of probation. yes. -during that twelve months you get extra supervision and at the during that period the chief constable is entitled to dispose of your service at a week's notice, but after you get over the probationary period only the watch committee could dispose of your services, the onus was on the watch committee. +during that twelve months you get extra supervision and at the during that period the chief constable is entitled to dispose of your service at a week's notice, but after you get over the probationary period only the watch committee could dispose of your services, the onus was on the watch committee. well now, during this twelve months i went out on the beats etcetera, i just merely picked it up, if i was in doubt about anything my sergeant would put me right and the atmosphere, the amount of discipline was quite severe, for instance, i always, we had always to parade at least ten minutes before the hour to be acquainted with what had happened since we were last on duty. yes we had no facilities for food in the police station. @@ -9445,11 +9437,11 @@ the only thing given to us at all in that line was every policeman on night duty oh yes. every policeman was given a pint mug and on night duty we were, haven't, we, each of us was given one pint of coffee. to keep you awake? -yes, and erm no food whatever was obtainable in the police station. -when we arrested people, if we arrested them and if they were in the police station for many hours, the only food that they were given was supplied by weavers restaurant, just inside street. +yes, and erm no food whatever was obtainable in the police station. +when we arrested people, if we arrested them and if they were in the police station for many hours, the only food that they were given was supplied by weavers restaurant, just inside street. now they were provided with a meal for which the police, at that time paid sixpence, and for the sixpence for breakfast they got a thick round of bread, margarine, a piece of cheese and a mug of tea. for sixpence. -now they got much the same thing for the dinner, but if the prisoner had got any money of his own, and if he cared to contribute an extra sixpence he got a hot meal at midday. +now they got much the same thing for the dinner, but if the prisoner had got any money of his own, and if he cared to contribute an extra sixpence he got a hot meal at midday. yes. for his tea, for the sixpence he got bread, bread, margarine and either a piece of cheese or some jam. that's what happened. @@ -9460,7 +9452,7 @@ he was the man who supplied the new bicycles, raleighs, and he undertook to keep and of course they got knocked about a lot. well now i, bull's eye lamps, that we carried at night, they were merely paraffin oil lamps. yes. -and during the winter months we wore overcoats and capes. +and during the winter months we wore overcoats and capes. yes. we used to be glad to put our hands underneath the cape onto the bull's eye for a little warmth. yes. @@ -9476,14 +9468,14 @@ they just wouldn't let them come out with the flour. they the da the harbour master's men at the lock gates came out on strike. there was nobody to open and close the lock gates. yes. -we some special policemen to go down there and open these gates, and of course, you can just imagine that the policemen who came into ipswich, they were pretty rough in their dealing with the strikers. +we some special policemen to go down there and open these gates, and of course, you can just imagine that the policemen who came into ipswich, they were pretty rough in their dealing with the strikers. yes. we in the borough, we dare not be rough because we had to remain in ipswich after the strike was over. and would, would the people they were being rough with know the difference? -yes, they got frightened. +yes, they got frightened. there was some policemen from cambridge county and they were handpicked, two brothers came among that little group, and they each weighed over twenty stone, these two brothers, and of course everybody referred to them, as the two tinies. yes. -they were stationed at a poli number two police station, which was the custom house at the ipswich docks, and they spent most of their time when they were off duty just lying on stretchers lying about, then of course evening time, when there was er more activity, course they came out and my word, if they told strikers they were not to go to this part of the town or road. +they were stationed at a poli number two police station, which was the custom house at the ipswich docks, and they spent most of their time when they were off duty just lying on stretchers lying about, then of course evening time, when there was er more activity, course they came out and my word, if they told strikers they were not to go to this part of the town or road. they didn't. if they were told they didn't go, they certainly got some help. it didn't matter t who it was. @@ -9494,11 +9486,11 @@ no, no could, could, could the ordinary people tell the difference between the borough police yes and the county police by the uniform? -yep no, no well they would have different cap badges in the helmet. +yep no, no well they would have different cap badges in the helmet. and that was the only difference? that was the only difference, the cap badges they all differed you see. well now, because we were in the ipswich borough police, we were in the fortunate position of knowing that we would serve our full thirty years in ipswich, which enabled us to buy our own houses through building society. -our children had in, they went to schools here, and what with the friends, and neighbours and former schoolfriends we got on wonderfully well with the general public. +our children had in, they went to schools here, and what with the friends, and neighbours and former schoolfriends we got on wonderfully well with the general public. yes. but when i talk about that good feeling between police and public, it, it mattered more for the local policeman. for instance, i was one of several born in ipswich you see, and i had advantage over a lot of men who were released from the guards to come here. @@ -9531,25 +9523,25 @@ but before the salvation army took it over, it was a, a borough council property i see, yes. and all they di provided, but there was a big kitchen where they could fry their own food, make their own teas and so on, but the sal the, the house proprietors, they didn't provide any food whatever. they were required to leave their beds and get out of the hostel by nine o'clock in the morning, and they were not expected to hang about any more until about five or more in the evening. -so if they hadn't got a job they got nothing +so if they hadn't got a job they got nothing oh no of course ver very few of them had got any work. no. it, they were at these lodging houses because they hadn't got the work, nowhere else to go. they was only, they'd either got to pay for accommodation at a lodging house or go to the workhouse, they called them then, which is the casual ward, and at the casual ward they were required to bath on admission, which a lot of them didn't like, they were compelled to do certain work. yes. and, they were often not released until they'd been at this casual ward for two days. -now some of them used to find that a bit irksome. +now some of them used to find that a bit irksome. where, where actually was the casual ward? well which is now where the borough general hospital is at . was the casual ward part of the hospital? yes. i see, yes. -yes, yes that was run separately, +yes, yes that was run separately, but part? but, but the same building. -there was a half of the premises, and the casual wards there they, course i tell you they used to have to bath and then they used to have to do chopping wood and sort of work like, like that. +there was a half of the premises, and the casual wards there they, course i tell you they used to have to bath and then they used to have to do chopping wood and sort of work like, like that. useful work. -yes, casual work and when some of these casuals felt that they didn't want to stop there two days, they used to tell the authorities that they had got promise of work at, at yarmouth and and could we go soon, you see. +yes, casual work and when some of these casuals felt that they didn't want to stop there two days, they used to tell the authorities that they had got promise of work at, at yarmouth and and could we go soon, you see. and of course the authority was glad to get shot of them, and then the tramps, they used to go round the country, and they used to walk from one village to another and mainly, people who had arrived in ipswich casual ward, had previously been the night at stowmarket. they used to walk the twelve miles stowmarket to ipswich, they used to go to the police station after five o'clock, and they used to get a ticket, which they used to take up to the casual ward. i see. @@ -9572,33 +9564,33 @@ well then you, you were saying you had to visit each of those four lodging houses yes and i interrupted you about the casual ward, so you didn't really finish that? -yep, i'd finished the lodging houses, they were rough, my word they were rough, they used to get drunk and fighting, and of course they used to be amusing really they used to get fighting at a lodging house quite close to the dock and after when the windows was smashed, we would find that they'd been temporarily repaired with a coal sack taken from the coal yard next door, and all that sort of business, and anyhow, nothing particular out of the way happened until three years later of course when we got the general strike, and the strikers used to meet outside the labour institution headquarters in street. +yep, i'd finished the lodging houses, they were rough, my word they were rough, they used to get drunk and fighting, and of course they used to be amusing really they used to get fighting at a lodging house quite close to the dock and after when the windows was smashed, we would find that they'd been temporarily repaired with a coal sack taken from the coal yard next door, and all that sort of business, and anyhow, nothing particular out of the way happened until three years later of course when we got the general strike, and the strikers used to meet outside the labour institution headquarters in street. yes. that's where the union headquarters were you know, and because i was a local man and had worked at cranfield loading trucks at the dockside, i knew, knew a lot of the dock labourers, and they knew me, and i used to know each morning what the strikers were likely to do, where they were gonna hold up eastern counties buses and so on i used to know all that, and of course the duty inspectors used to purposely send me along. to find out. to find out you see. well now it was largely, i think as a result of all that that three years later, now that was in nineteen twenty seven towards the latter of nineteen twenty seven, there was an opportunity for a detective to be appointed on a series of promotions. -superintendent retired, he was replaced by of course detective inspector , +superintendent retired, he was replaced by of course detective inspector , yes. -sergeant was made inspector, was made detective sergeant and of course i became detective constable. +sergeant was made inspector, was made detective sergeant and of course i became detective constable. yes. and when the promotions were made before the watch committee, i was the last one to go in, and the chairman of the watch committee, that was john , he said to me , chief constable has recommended that you be given a trial with the detective staff. he said, we agree with that, he said we have decided that you will go on the detective staff on probation for a period of six months, and that means that if you like the detective staff and, and if the detective staff like you you will continue. well now, at the end of that six months i'd had varied success, sometimes i had poor periods when i wasn't detecting much, then i would have a little break, do better, but at the end of the six months nobody told me whether i was stopping there, but twenty years later i did go back to uniform as an inspector. yes, yes. -inspector, but anyhow, now when i went on the detective staff i'd only been on the force just over three years +inspector, but anyhow, now when i went on the detective staff i'd only been on the force just over three years yes. and i, i've felt at that time and since i went on too early. i don't really think at that time i would have had enough experience to justify going on the staff. -i, i +i, i they must have thought you could do it. i couldn't type, we hadn't got anybody doing the office work in the detective staff, the detective sergeant used to do most of it, if he was not available i used to have to get an older detective to type a report out for me, and because i was a junior, they were not so careful in typing my reports as they were theirs. yeah. -and i mean it was a difficult start, and i was in fact a junior detective for five and a half years before any alteration was made in the staff, there was no promotions or leaving so that as junior detective for five and a half years, i got all jobs that nobody else wanted -unless unless, unless if i was in the detective office on my own and there was a decent job reported, i went straight out on it. -sometimes i was lucky, sometimes i wasn't for instance, if anybody came to the enquiry after the report that the theft of a bicycle from outside the library. +and i mean it was a difficult start, and i was in fact a junior detective for five and a half years before any alteration was made in the staff, there was no promotions or leaving so that as junior detective for five and a half years, i got all jobs that nobody else wanted +unless unless, unless if i was in the detective office on my own and there was a decent job reported, i went straight out on it. +sometimes i was lucky, sometimes i wasn't for instance, if anybody came to the enquiry after the report that the theft of a bicycle from outside the library. yes. -our detective office was two flights of stairs above the enquiry office, and they used to ring up to our office and say i'm sending a mr upstairs, he's lost his bicycle from the library, i'm showing him up. +our detective office was two flights of stairs above the enquiry office, and they used to ring up to our office and say i'm sending a mr upstairs, he's lost his bicycle from the library, i'm showing him up. when he knocked on our door the older detectives wouldn't answer it. so guess who did! now, my desk was not too far away, after he'd knocked twice i used to get it. @@ -9609,15 +9601,15 @@ they'd all be doing something else. or that they'd got to attend court or something. oh yes. so i finished up doing the lot. -well now, although it was not much more of a job really than an errand boy's, but as i did that for five and a half years i got to know the people at the pawnbrokers, the cycle agents i got to know them so well, i knew the staff, i got to know the people who were pawning clues and that regularly, i was getting more information every year. -so it did you a lot of good although +well now, although it was not much more of a job really than an errand boy's, but as i did that for five and a half years i got to know the people at the pawnbrokers, the cycle agents i got to know them so well, i knew the staff, i got to know the people who were pawning clues and that regularly, i was getting more information every year. +so it did you a lot of good although of course it did i, i, i was able to, i was able to pick up, and i used to clear up crimes which i know that some of the others wouldn't have cleared up at that time. mm everybody liked to get in the limelight. yes. -if a very serious offence was reported, the detective inspector was , well he used to go to deal with it personally because it was very important. -if he found after two or three days that he wasn't really making much headway, he would then, after he'd left the police courts, say to me i think you'd better go down street or somewhere and see if you can find -see if you can find out who's spending money down that area, and then a occasionally, not, not too often, jobs that he's fell back on and dropped, i've been able to get a little start on, and very foolishly i used to tell him sometimes of the progress i was making that was where i made a mistake. +if a very serious offence was reported, the detective inspector was , well he used to go to deal with it personally because it was very important. +if he found after two or three days that he wasn't really making much headway, he would then, after he'd left the police courts, say to me i think you'd better go down street or somewhere and see if you can find +see if you can find out who's spending money down that area, and then a occasionally, not, not too often, jobs that he's fell back on and dropped, i've been able to get a little start on, and very foolishly i used to tell him sometimes of the progress i was making that was where i made a mistake. that was a mistake, was it? he used to say well now i'll come with you, and from that time on, after the arrests were made. who got the limelight? @@ -9648,12 +9640,12 @@ at that time we had, we didn't have any fingerprinting. no. but, we knew all our locals you see, we knew all their histories. yes. -but when a stranger was picked up for house breaking or shop breaking or something, a complete stranger, we used to send them to norwich pending further enquiries, and with a request that they be fingerprinted, and of course they used to fingerprint, send to scotland yard, we used to then get the record if they had a record with a photograph, and all their previous convictions. +but when a stranger was picked up for house breaking or shop breaking or something, a complete stranger, we used to send them to norwich pending further enquiries, and with a request that they be fingerprinted, and of course they used to fingerprint, send to scotland yard, we used to then get the record if they had a record with a photograph, and all their previous convictions. we hadn't even got a photographer. oh dear. you knew, you knew your local criminals, but you haven't got any pictures of them. no we hadn't, we hadn't got a photographer. -so when scotland yard sent us photographs of criminals that we were dealing with, we used to have to take this descriptive form and photograph to walters the photographers in plane, and he charged sixpence to copy the photograph. +so when scotland yard sent us photographs of criminals that we were dealing with, we used to have to take this descriptive form and photograph to walters the photographers in plane, and he charged sixpence to copy the photograph. goodness. it doesn't seem believable. it doesn't does it? @@ -9661,25 +9653,25 @@ but i mean you, you just imagine, we've got no cars, no photographer, no. and er when i tell you that i went to the detective staff in nineteen twenty seven, then we started with our first mobile help. the watch committee agreed that we should have, not we, the force, should have a motorbike combination. -now mr he is the garage proprietor, who used to supply the bicycles, he supplied the motorcycle and sidecar, that was a start. +now mr he is the garage proprietor, who used to supply the bicycles, he supplied the motorcycle and sidecar, that was a start. the watch committee then, this was what, round about nineteen thirty perhaps, then agreed that we should have a police car. -now that car was bought, that was kept at garage, which was about quarter of a mile distance from the police station, kept in the garage. +now that car was bought, that was kept at garage, which was about quarter of a mile distance from the police station, kept in the garage. who drove it? there were only two policemen allowed to drive it. -police constable george and p c jack . +police constable george and p c jack . and they, they had had some experience or were they engineers or something -oh they had i must tell you now that at the time that we hadn't got a car at all, on the occasion of a royal visit, or some very important action being taken, my chief constable used to hire a chauffeur driven car from mr of lane in ipswich. +oh they had i must tell you now that at the time that we hadn't got a car at all, on the occasion of a royal visit, or some very important action being taken, my chief constable used to hire a chauffeur driven car from mr of lane in ipswich. oh yes. he was a very smart man and he always provided a very smart car, and the first policeman to drive the police car was his own chauffeur, who left him and joined the police force. i see, well, well. so that er his former chauffeur joined the force, p c , he was in, he drove of course our first police car, well which he shared with p c , then when our cars got to number two, three and so on, he eventually came up, so that he retired as inspector, traffic inspector. traffic division. -he, he simply came up with the number of cars. +he, he simply came up with the number of cars. traffic division, yes. yeah yeah -and er what was i going to tell you, i told you about , i talked about we had nine pawnbroker's shops, i didn't did i, but that we did have nine pawnbroker shops in ipswich. +and er what was i going to tell you, i told you about , i talked about we had nine pawnbroker's shops, i didn't did i, but that we did have nine pawnbroker shops in ipswich. there were six lodging houses were there? yes, that's in addition to the lodging houses. means of communication. @@ -9699,7 +9691,7 @@ yes. and that was quite a good idea, because late at night following wedding parties and other , if anybody was behaving in an disorderly manner and people were returning home, they would always tell the policeman that they saw that a rowdy crowd were coming along. further down the road. but they wouldn't walk a few yards into the police station and tell anybody. -no +no but they wouldn't take that trouble, but they'd always speak to the uniform policemen, if or if they heard anyone smashing glass, but they wouldn't go out of their way. no, i understand. but the relationship was extremely good, i think that you might say that for many years in my service, it was almost a case of the law abiding citizens in ipswich coping with the wrongdoers. @@ -9711,7 +9703,7 @@ and they used to know the, the wrongdoers, and when alleg allegations were made yes. the magistrates, they, if they were satisfied that it was, i don't sound very no, no, -clip of the ear, nothing like that, but if if you'd got a black eye. +clip of the ear, nothing like that, but if if you'd got a black eye. yes. and you'd got a little bit of plaster you, you could show the court the next morning, he was going to prison. the magistrates would tell you that they were du they were going to do their utmost to pr to support the police at all times. @@ -9723,14 +9715,14 @@ you know, anyhow. yes, yes. but er we, we had quite a difficulty, very, very difficult, we used to have to walk a long way before we could get to a telephone. now, you all had whistles, did you use those much? -oh we had whistles, and strangely enough, very seldom did we use them, simply because there were other traffic about that time if you were a long way away, er you might be nearly to , if you blew your whistle, there were nobody to hear you, i mean people in houses, and they were only few and far between. +oh we had whistles, and strangely enough, very seldom did we use them, simply because there were other traffic about that time if you were a long way away, er you might be nearly to , if you blew your whistle, there were nobody to hear you, i mean people in houses, and they were only few and far between. i, i, i don't hardly think that i can remember blowing a whistle. i don't really. yes. we, have i told you about the policeman who was fixed permanently at the ? yes. the town centre. -there was also a policemen all night on bridge, all night. +there was also a policemen all night on bridge, all night. he was relieved, of course, by the policemen from the neighbouring beats. was that because of the docks? yes, that faced the dock, and in case of fire or any emergency, he used to always be there and he'd be able to see it. @@ -9743,22 +9735,22 @@ and the if there was a street disturbance or a quarrel in the house everybody ov yes. and er, we used to get all sorts of calls. supposing he got called away from his post would there be somebody ready to take his place? -no, no, if you got called away there wouldn't be anybody to take over until the next relief if, if the man was coming up the dock with two yo yo well you wouldn't be able to get in touch with him either. +no, no, if you got called away there wouldn't be anybody to take over until the next relief if, if the man was coming up the dock with two yo yo well you wouldn't be able to get in touch with him either. no. but if he was to come on at three o'clock in the morning, the other man called away wouldn't be replaced. no. and er you used to get recalled for all sorts of things, often a distur family disturbances. yes. -i was called away one morning,somebody came along to me and said will you come along to street, there's a chap playing up, old harry, he's trying to build a shed or something and it's two o'clock in the morning, none of us can sleep, do come along with me. -well, i went along to street and this chap was hammering away, and the people were swearing from windows, and i realized the chap was mental. +i was called away one morning,somebody came along to me and said will you come along to street, there's a chap playing up, old harry, he's trying to build a shed or something and it's two o'clock in the morning, none of us can sleep, do come along with me. +well, i went along to street and this chap was hammering away, and the people were swearing from windows, and i realized the chap was mental. oh. oh, i knew that that night i was in a very difficult position, if he had been on the public highway i could have taken him to the police station and taken him i could have taken him if he's on the public highway, i could have taken him to the police station. but not in his own garden. -no, and i had i er i had tried to appeal to him to be quiet, he said well i've got to build this shed, i said well it don't have to be during the night when other people are trying to sleep, he said well that's up to them, and he started hammering again, while i was talking to him, and then i kept on and on and eventually, i think while i was talking to him i'd kept him quiet while i was talking to him. +no, and i had i er i had tried to appeal to him to be quiet, he said well i've got to build this shed, i said well it don't have to be during the night when other people are trying to sleep, he said well that's up to them, and he started hammering again, while i was talking to him, and then i kept on and on and eventually, i think while i was talking to him i'd kept him quiet while i was talking to him. mm and then i told -told his wife to get the doctor, and that sort of business in, but er imagine a man knocking up his shed during the night +told his wife to get the doctor, and that sort of business in, but er imagine a man knocking up his shed during the night he must have thought he was noah. no on another occasion @@ -9774,29 +9766,29 @@ so he got his history, and then a magistrate can certify him and he can be hande they used to call it the asylum, years ago. yes, yes. but they changed the name of it. -well then while i was serving as a detective, you can just imagine i made plenty of arrests, and i got along reasonably well with most people, but there was one man i hated yes i hated him, i, i'd only been a detective i should think for a period of about, oh five or six months, and a man, he called on the reverend who was the, the vicar of st. mary where +well then while i was serving as a detective, you can just imagine i made plenty of arrests, and i got along reasonably well with most people, but there was one man i hated yes i hated him, i, i'd only been a detective i should think for a period of about, oh five or six months, and a man, he called on the reverend who was the, the vicar of st. mary where and this man said that he was a lay reader, and that he'd retired, he'd come back from australia, and he though that he would like to help out in the parish. -reverend thought oh yes he'd be very very glad of you, so he said i'd be prepared to visit the sick, i'd do anything like that and he did in fact start doing some visiting, and among other people that he called upon was a person living in road, not very far really from where i'd been born and i knew the area well. +reverend thought oh yes he'd be very very glad of you, so he said i'd be prepared to visit the sick, i'd do anything like that and he did in fact start doing some visiting, and among other people that he called upon was a person living in road, not very far really from where i'd been born and i knew the area well. yes now he called at this house and said that he was er visiting for for the church. and while he was talking to the woman he saw in the hall an elderly woman, and he said to the woman at the door, is that your mother, she said oh yes she's with me now, she used to live at woodbridge. he said well did she get the er widow's loaf? she said you never get anything here, she said she did get the widow's loaf once when she was at woodbridge, he said she'll have the widow's loaf now. -and he went on just across the road to road co-op and he bought a small loaf of bread which at that time would be about tuppence, and gave the old lady this small loaf about ten days afterwards he called again, he said, he said i've come to see you again, now are you alright and so on, he said i've done a foolish thing this morning, he said i'm responsible for the flowers, altar flowers, he said and i've left my wallet at my lodgings, and my landlady has gone down to for the day. +and he went on just across the road to road co-op and he bought a small loaf of bread which at that time would be about tuppence, and gave the old lady this small loaf about ten days afterwards he called again, he said, he said i've come to see you again, now are you alright and so on, he said i've done a foolish thing this morning, he said i'm responsible for the flowers, altar flowers, he said and i've left my wallet at my lodgings, and my landlady has gone down to for the day. he said con man. he said i'm properly on the spot, so he, so the woman volunteered, she said well can i help you, i've got my fortnight's rent money here, so she let him have the rent money. course i don't have to tell you any more, she didn't see him no more. -he then went and called on a mrs who'd got a confectionery shop, corner of road and road and a hard luck story there, he got a few pound for doing out the sacrament, he got some money from her. -and then when they eventually complained, when other people were involved, complained, reverend he hadn't seen this chap either. -his name was , but i found he'd been lodging in a house in road close to the railway station. +he then went and called on a mrs who'd got a confectionery shop, corner of road and road and a hard luck story there, he got a few pound for doing out the sacrament, he got some money from her. +and then when they eventually complained, when other people were involved, complained, reverend he hadn't seen this chap either. +his name was , but i found he'd been lodging in a house in road close to the railway station. yes. -and when i saw the landlady there she said that she did have a mr there but he'd left a few days ago, didn't know where he'd got to. +and when i saw the landlady there she said that she did have a mr there but he'd left a few days ago, didn't know where he'd got to. i said well now can i see his room, she said well really i've cleared the room since he's gone, but i found some papers in the room, which indicated that he was a convict on licence. yes, yes. well that gave me a start of course, so immediately i got a warrant out, and he, some while afterwards he was picked up in london. -well they, i had to go to road police station, london, it was quite good, the detective took, took me around that little area and er then when i got ready to collect to take him to liverpool street station, i saw him for the first time, man about sixty one and he'd got two suitcases, one lighter than the other, and while i was signing for him and his property i said to him, you take that light one and i'll take the bigger one with the view to getting on the bus to get to liverpool street st but the inspector there was very good, he said i'm not going to oh and i said to you take the light case i'll take the high one, he said i can't carry anything, i got a rupture. +well they, i had to go to road police station, london, it was quite good, the detective took, took me around that little area and er then when i got ready to collect to take him to liverpool street station, i saw him for the first time, man about sixty one and he'd got two suitcases, one lighter than the other, and while i was signing for him and his property i said to him, you take that light one and i'll take the bigger one with the view to getting on the bus to get to liverpool street st but the inspector there was very good, he said i'm not going to oh and i said to you take the light case i'll take the high one, he said i can't carry anything, i got a rupture. ooh. the inspector said i'm not going to allow you to leave here with a prisoner and those two cases. yes, with both hands occupied what could you do? @@ -9804,22 +9796,21 @@ yes, so he then called in a constable, who was living in a section house nearby. he said, now go to go to your section house get a sports jacket or something, and go with this police officer, he said i'll get a police van, he said go with this police officer to liverpool street station, he said and take charge of this prisoner while he gets a ticket, for ipswich. very wise, he might have disappeared. he he said get that, he said and go with him onto the train and see him safely in the compartment, ascertain the time of arrival in ipswich, and go and telephone ipswich police telling them that they were to meet this on arrival at ipswich, and i thought that our chief constable really - well one of the things we did do immediately after the er youth consultation is that we erm, we erected a paid for a skate board ramp at erm one of the youth centres in, in harlow, so you know, we we creating that facility, but erm, what, you, so you your question was more directed at providing more of those kind of facilities . well, providing , mainly because you see a lot of the youngsters with their skate boards, but they're skating through the town, all over the place. i mean, a lot, i can say with on the youths, i think were doing, were, were, were walking with young people at the local levels of various places in the town you know, we've got, we haven't got as many resources as we want yet, but were still trying to do that, well i actually feel, on youth we're doing quite a good job you know, expensive job you know, that we are, and, and all that concerns you raise, were certainly aware of. -the problem is solving all the problems, providing all the facilities in, in the situation where it's diminishing resources, i mean we wouldn't be actually be carrying out this review, in the way that were gonna do it, if we didn't have the problem with the money we've got, you know. +the problem is solving all the problems, providing all the facilities in, in the situation where it's diminishing resources, i mean we wouldn't be actually be carrying out this review, in the way that were gonna do it, if we didn't have the problem with the money we've got, you know. right, time marches on we've got five minutes before this meeting closes, so if you've got another question, i'll take one more question for chris and then she's off the hook. any more questions? -i could tell you something about the, if you've got the +i could tell you something about the, if you've got the gordon bennett . -norman, that erm, one of the at the moment. +norman, that erm, one of the at the moment. yes. was going to have a facility for young people, if you remember, it was suggested that the restaurant was used for young people. with still not loosing site of the idea of having a cafe, bar, coffee for people, one of the things that were, that gonna look through and explore explore actually is er setting up some kind of coffee bar facilities at kingsmoor, the play barn, there next to them. erm, but that's really . i know it's one area.. -one would think , one of the things that young people decide was that they wanted facilities in their area. +one would think , one of the things that young people decide was that they wanted facilities in their area. in their area. area you see. that's is what i . @@ -9832,7 +9823,7 @@ what is, what is happening at the moment is although they can't afford the money right, am i let off the hook now? yeah, your off the hook. thank you very much, thank you chris.. -i'm sure the, i'm sure they'll all go away very when you, before you came. +i'm sure the, i'm sure they'll all go away very when you, before you came. . they . thanks a lot. @@ -9856,7 +9847,6 @@ you alright in there .. don't go over doing it. what about you, could you? no good. - ah. i wish i hello! @@ -9899,12 +9889,12 @@ and, and this, i j er i just wasn't well. i said right. i don't know. -do you think it's the change of life that's me? +do you think it's the change of life that's me? no! because i just don't keep well. er -and i'm taking right. -and they're coming i don't think i'm taking for a couple of months, and then i take them every fortnight. +and i'm taking right. +and they're coming i don't think i'm taking for a couple of months, and then i take them every fortnight. mhm. and they're kind of lasting. if you know what i mean @@ -9915,7 +9905,7 @@ that, that could that could be it disappearing. hopefully it is. but as i say, i've er but somebody says to me, they've go here i go again, talking about what everybody says they've got. they said they've got that brufen, for this? -this arm. +this arm. n no. no. is that not for that either? @@ -9930,14 +9920,14 @@ mhm. do you think it's yeah. a neuralgia pain? -that's a neuralgia pain you've got, that's brufen wouldn't make much difference to that agnes. +that's a neuralgia pain you've got, that's brufen wouldn't make much difference to that agnes. still in ? yeah,. er, oh, it's, see actually i wondered if it was a frozen shoulder? i thought that if, you know how sometimes no no. you, see when i, i cannae turn, -that's +that's see when i go i, i cannae you wouldn't be able to do that if you had a frozen shoulder. wouldn't i? @@ -9975,7 +9965,7 @@ that's it. that's it all there. right in there? right in there. -now this is the latest stuff from the the hospital for killing the neuralgia. +now this is the latest stuff from the the hospital for killing the neuralgia. is it? mm. now, no more than three of these in a day, and you must stay on it for at least a month. @@ -9996,7 +9986,7 @@ three. er it's terrible. cos i had my er line, it's due up yeah. -er on, and i'll tell you another thing i've been taking. +er on, and i'll tell you another thing i've been taking. well, the easiest one to show you is there. yeah. yeah. @@ -10014,16 +10004,16 @@ never hurt him like no way! he never go near him. yeah, i'd hate to have been in -they was playing a lot of punches and he weren't, they were hitti going into his +they was playing a lot of punches and he weren't, they were hitti going into his up there. yeah! air in his gloves. according to eubanks so it actually hit where it did, i bet one out of four were hitting. -sort of like had his big the shit out by the way. -and it's no swearing. -no swearing +sort of like had his big the shit out by the way. +and it's no swearing. +no swearing yeah, you can swear on it. hooker, hooker, hooker! well, fuck me ! @@ -10050,9 +10040,9 @@ be fucking handy! yeah, well you're getting ready to make a bi bid for that er, shearer. they won't let him go unless they're gonna replace him with a stag. more money though. -well they're wanting eight hundred thousand well, to start with, he's going to southampton. -lee martin's five hundred thou, robins is a million, dave moore's on loan at blackmoor, blackburn he's getting, he had a million quid in it for decided they want him. -that's go there ain't no money ready to make a bid. +well they're wanting eight hundred thousand well, to start with, he's going to southampton. +lee martin's five hundred thou, robins is a million, dave moore's on loan at blackmoor, blackburn he's getting, he had a million quid in it for decided they want him. +that's go there ain't no money ready to make a bid. have you calmed down like? you? but all i kept getting was thirty four @@ -10064,10 +10054,10 @@ fucking hell! but you wouldn't give me straight answer would you? well of course i would! i mean -don't get anyone to get the bloody training +don't get anyone to get the bloody training man united not to er -man united don't to the fans. +man united don't to the fans. i mean, leeds you've gotta find five hundred pound next year to get into no. ground. @@ -10084,13 +10074,13 @@ you have pay that over the season don't you? eh? it does for our lot, you know. well i'm going. -take the money it's just to get our two and a half million. +take the money it's just to get our two and a half million. well you've gotta . but ward, five and a half million for a new stand. so it's gonna drop down -but they're not, but over next ten seasons they only pay, they get hundred pound knocked off the season ticket. +but they're not, but over next ten seasons they only pay, they get hundred pound knocked off the season ticket. yeah. -they get first choice for european cup tickets +they get first choice for european cup tickets a lot of clubs seats play in that though. @@ -10107,12 +10097,12 @@ well, they do but they said if they don't get it by a certain date look, we're all working men here aren't we? they'll leave it. -could you afford five hundred pound to go and watch a match next year? +could you afford five hundred pound to go and watch a match next year? working men? but they think of . well you know what i mean. i just hope that they be giving it support. -just +just morning! morning! morning! @@ -10121,7 +10111,7 @@ morning! morning. morning john! yeah. -besides, if every club first division did that this season, there'd be a empty +besides, if every club first division did that this season, there'd be a empty eh? ground next season. . @@ -10168,7 +10158,6 @@ is it sheffield wednesday? eh? they usually do . get rid of the crap first. - is that your new personal stereo? no, i'll explain it to you later. i'm just actually practising. @@ -10177,7 +10166,7 @@ what? let's see you. i cannae put it up . no. -oh were up at the safeway? +oh were up at the safeway? i'll explain it to you later.. well er no i've been picked out by the british market research bureau to @@ -10192,16 +10181,16 @@ a well what d'ya mean survey? eh? do you get paid for it. -no you get a a token twenty five pound voucher at the end of the survey from marks and spencers. +no you get a a token twenty five pound voucher at the end of the survey from marks and spencers. and th do you have to ask people questions? no. no. no? -just tape normal conversations which we're doing that er now. +just tape normal conversations which we're doing that er now. switch that off. aye. what did ya do at school? -erm had my assembly today. +erm had my assembly today. did you? aha. what about you karen? @@ -10211,7 +10200,7 @@ if you can guess it? what? right. . don't tell. -up the brae, and o'er the top and doon the, eh er, up the brae and o'er the top and doon again and up the brae and o'er the top and doon i drop and that the day and there i stop . +up the brae, and o'er the top and doon the, eh er, up the brae and o'er the top and doon again and up the brae and o'er the top and doon i drop and that the day and there i stop . ooh! never heard that before. that's the letter n. @@ -10225,10 +10214,10 @@ i see. you had to sing oh flower of scotland. mhm. well it was . -derek he's huge right! -he like come up to here! +derek he's huge right! +he like come up to here! yeah. -erm erm laura seen his boxer shorts. +erm erm laura seen his boxer shorts. no i never! you did. scott was looking at her and so was kay. @@ -10246,10 +10235,10 @@ a rubbish day was it? i had this awful sore head. aha. and a sore head all day today. -oh er so that was the 's day was it? +oh er so that was the 's day was it? aha. oh. -then i went to the bank saw your wages. +then i went to the bank saw your wages. had a heart attack. aha. that was her. @@ -10260,7 +10249,7 @@ i gave her copies. but that's the one she asked for weren't it? mhm. ah it's a nice photograph innit? -so i'll it out. +so i'll it out. she wants three copies of that. one for her, one for the two grans. aha. @@ -10304,10 +10293,10 @@ yeah, i'll get in touch . i'll give him a week. if he hasn't been in touch by phone in a week, i'll phone him. aye. -because i was telling mary to see what she says don't tell them she says, that your she says, don't tell them that your windows are steamed up, she says, before you get the double glazing in. -just tell them that's double glazing in. +because i was telling mary to see what she says don't tell them she says, that your she says, don't tell them that your windows are steamed up, she says, before you get the double glazing in. +just tell them that's double glazing in. mhm. -just get rid of the condensation for . +just get rid of the condensation for . what do you want to watch? have you seen i've seen all the ones before. @@ -10316,32 +10305,32 @@ i've seen all the ones before. on wednesday night. taggart's on. taggart's at nine o'clock, i want to see that. -but there must be something in the in the cabinet for you to watch. +but there must be something in the in the cabinet for you to watch. just have a i want look and see. oh god ! -i thought you were going straight up to see if the actually, i was going to get up early and +i thought you were going straight up to see if the actually, i was going to get up early and well, what i did and hoover them up, you know. -was i gave my mum a lift because i, and d'ya know by the time he gets better +was i gave my mum a lift because i, and d'ya know by the time he gets better what? because there quinine in it. oh aye, that ? no. -no, it's not it's your, quinine is used for people like diarrhoea pe and people that have to take attacks and that, you know, how my mum takes ? +no, it's not it's your, quinine is used for people like diarrhoea pe and people that have to take attacks and that, you know, how my mum takes ? aye. and she says quinine tablets. there was quinine and , and that's all there was, why you haven't had a . oh right. -so, it's very difficult get, cos my boss wouldn't find it again, so she asked er, the women and she said +so, it's very difficult get, cos my boss wouldn't find it again, so she asked er, the women and she said has she had any? she says no, we don't have any of that this time. -and she said, i tried to get that father- in-law there, she says, and i tried to get that for my daughter and i couldn't find, couldn't get it. +and she said, i tried to get that father- in-law there, she says, and i tried to get that for my daughter and i couldn't find, couldn't get it. she said, no. and she said, i find it's hard to get quinine in it,for diarrhoea. -and er steven he does the erm, the he just has to take his quinine tablets. +and er steven he does the erm, the he just has to take his quinine tablets. ah. right. so @@ -10350,7 +10339,7 @@ and carole has to take the others, i think there's another ten in there. oh i'll definitely meet her. if that's what it's all about well we just won't bother, you know. but she managed to get me diet coke. -er i mean, it's not that bad but she's . +er i mean, it's not that bad but she's . aha. is that thing still running? aye. @@ -10363,11 +10352,11 @@ er, just put these things on. aye . some of the, there's your . yes. -but i'm not buying a programme at half past four. +but i'm not buying a programme at half past four. what one? -er the the the tape on one. +er the the the tape on one. what one's that again? -er the one with the houses half past three. +er the one with the houses half past three. yeah. oh dear. oh . @@ -10376,7 +10365,7 @@ such a chore of us putting messages back. yeah, but then i'm glad you've got one. eh? not if it does . -what till the weekend? +what till the weekend? i don't know. er well i dunno. @@ -10385,15 +10374,15 @@ yep. as you know i'm trying to diet. aye. i know what you mean. -and rather than sit and eat chocolate i can eat apples and fruit. +and rather than sit and eat chocolate i can eat apples and fruit. ah, don't eat all the apples there. no. -my mum gave me got loads of them as well, i'll eat the ones my mum gave me. +my mum gave me got loads of them as well, i'll eat the ones my mum gave me. well how can you go on a diet when you buying all this chocolate? well i got that, i got that for the wee ones. oh. so do you leave it switched on even when nobody's talking? -ah well i, you can actually switch it on and off i suppose, but +ah well i, you can actually switch it on and off i suppose, but but do you walk about with it attached to you? aye. i'll have it in one of my pocket, pocket at work, you know, and the microphone @@ -10404,24 +10393,24 @@ and er because there's maybe some people don't want their conversation taped. no i well i can erase it, you know, if they object mm mm. -to it, right enough, you know but hopef +to it, right enough, you know but hopef and how how long hopefully does it last for? well each side's forty five minutes. i know, but when she's coming back to collect it? oh! -er er a week tomorrow. +er er a week tomorrow. half past four. -i said yeah that's fine cos we'll er i'll be up and ready then i'll can go and get my dinner and go to my mother's, you know? +i said yeah that's fine cos we'll er i'll be up and ready then i'll can go and get my dinner and go to my mother's, you know? aye. and, cos you're always back early on a friday. aye. -so see how it goes. +so see how it goes. hopefully did you wonder what it was? i did actually, aye. -ah, when you were walking about and said i'm trying this out i thought it was erm i thought our exercise bike had come. +ah, when you were walking about and said i'm trying this out i thought it was erm i thought our exercise bike had come. oh aye. yeah . by the way, to anybody that's listening to this, i'm not really huge but i put on five pounds since i stopped smoking. @@ -10430,11 +10419,11 @@ just in ca just in case you're getting brave. just in case there's anything, och, i don't want a stranger to think that i'm built like an elephant! ooh! -you're still the slim chick i knew in nineteen seventy four. -i don't like though. +you're still the slim chick i knew in nineteen seventy four. +i don't like though. oh oh . what? -and you got your rangers shellsuit on, eh? +and you got your rangers shellsuit on, eh? see that, laura, put that in the freezer. yous allowed to wear at school? no. @@ -10449,7 +10438,7 @@ eh? doing chips? aye. they had some chaps wearing it . -i know, but he doesn't want you to wear rangers football things, or celtic football things er just like a tracksuit says that. +i know, but he doesn't want you to wear rangers football things, or celtic football things er just like a tracksuit says that. i haven't got those. eh? and those. @@ -10457,12 +10446,12 @@ want bolognese? right. it's still on the top.. well, i saw her -yesterday and that was +yesterday and that was ah. wait and see later. sure. -where do these beans go? -erm it's, the bottom one i think. +where do these beans go? +erm it's, the bottom one i think. oh! can have that for a wee that. @@ -10475,14 +10464,14 @@ but is karen watching it? no, she's watching neighbours. oh. do you know what it is? -you could anything else. +you could anything else. see those sausages yeah. put them up in that middle one. right. can i erm with all these erm, casseroles and things. -where's the oh! +where's the oh! are these aren't they nice? eh? @@ -10511,7 +10500,7 @@ two more. eh? two more. two. -i'll do you don't know if karen, go and ask karen if she wants one. +i'll do you don't know if karen, go and ask karen if she wants one. will you put this, nearly put it what is it? yeah. @@ -10520,7 +10509,7 @@ i just got , yeah. turn that off. well that's nice of her to ask is it? what? -she's for this house. +she's for this house. i don't want them. right. i didn't think you want more. @@ -10540,34 +10529,34 @@ will i have to put your age down? twenty three? , i'm not one of these people that doesn't like my age now. twenty nine and a half. -er well mark remember i was telling you about the boss that the two there the other night they give er a, a wage rise +er well mark remember i was telling you about the boss that the two there the other night they give er a, a wage rise aha. -and mark remember on monday the they got a mix up on that letter for the management, right? +and mark remember on monday the they got a mix up on that letter for the management, right? aha. -well mark held er a meeting based on that document that was sent down so, they had to cancel it because it was around er thing they were voting on you see? +well mark held er a meeting based on that document that was sent down so, they had to cancel it because it was around er thing they were voting on you see? mhm. -so, i phoned up joe, and joe says all the results weren't in because that's the kind of ordeal next week er er next friday, tomorrow. -so er er for eight weeks. -the drivers definitely, well they're voting today, you see, well have already accepted that, right? +so, i phoned up joe, and joe says all the results weren't in because that's the kind of ordeal next week er er next friday, tomorrow. +so er er for eight weeks. +the drivers definitely, well they're voting today, you see, well have already accepted that, right? so the drivers they vote today. -and then we'll need to wait and see how they go, but joe says, he says, well we've done this. +and then we'll need to wait and see how they go, but joe says, he says, well we've done this. he said if we er, knock this back he said, and i don't know what we're gonna, they said they're gonna we do it in a month. -you see, but then strike action. +you see, but then strike action. he says, so what they do they do? are they just gonna strike, er strike? he said everybody else is gonna accept that. i said, joe, i don't know. -and gotta, do do you think that they were gonna accept it? +and gotta, do do you think that they were gonna accept it? well the factory's already voted against that. -with the fact that they've accepted it, possibly accepted, so we're only with it. -i mean they've got the least amount of people that are there are so we'll either that or the end of the day see if it doesn't get banned, right? -well, also, we'll need to have meeting during the week. -and as joe was saying, he said, all we do is just go back to them and just try and say well look you know when you come to see us again do you want to accept this or regret it on the basis that you're going to strike, but all the other section in the company's accepted that. +with the fact that they've accepted it, possibly accepted, so we're only with it. +i mean they've got the least amount of people that are there are so we'll either that or the end of the day see if it doesn't get banned, right? +well, also, we'll need to have meeting during the week. +and as joe was saying, he said, all we do is just go back to them and just try and say well look you know when you come to see us again do you want to accept this or regret it on the basis that you're going to strike, but all the other section in the company's accepted that. yeah. you know, i mean, that's the realization of the whole thing. and what do you think? d'ya think -well i mean, i told them at the time i was against the of a sixteen month deal. +well i mean, i told them at the time i was against the of a sixteen month deal. mhm. you know, that does nay impress me a lot. mm mm. @@ -10577,13 +10566,13 @@ but the deal and is it still i mean a sixteen month deal? -it's still sixteen, joe joe said he did nay reckon he's going to get the management to shift back to october +it's still sixteen, joe joe said he did nay reckon he's going to get the management to shift back to october aha. to the anni the old anniversary day aha. for one section. you know? -so, maybe in the light of that they'll have to attempt put it back to them again. +so, maybe in the light of that they'll have to attempt put it back to them again. they'll accept that, i dunno. th they're voting today. right. @@ -10601,15 +10590,15 @@ eh? i'd hate to be the person who has to sit and sit through all of that. ah, well i guess there would be thousands of them. so they had that from there on friday night did they not? -ah, well i was explaining that to er the woman that cleans, you know that she told us we can wash ourself, you know. -and er and i think with maggie and eric, you know, er maggie's perception of a scottish , you know. +ah, well i was explaining that to er the woman that cleans, you know that she told us we can wash ourself, you know. +and er and i think with maggie and eric, you know, er maggie's perception of a scottish , you know. should get you and mary on it, sing a rotten . -no, well you cannae include different conversations cos it's only your voice that's coming through, you know. +no, well you cannae include different conversations cos it's only your voice that's coming through, you know. ah. you cannae get a perception of, hear about you're saying to the another person, you know? and i think accents, you know? regional accents. -so oh it's interesting in work. +so oh it's interesting in work. oh aye. it will be interesting in work. well i take you're not getting your ? @@ -10620,18 +10609,18 @@ leigh, leigh's nay accent, she just talks at two hundred mile and hour. what has she got there? that's what i was about to say, is that nay books. -i mean i tried, tried to er er done it in my book about my again and i read about two pages and i fell asleep. -i got up at quarter to twelve i was starving so i had a er er +i mean i tried, tried to er er done it in my book about my again and i read about two pages and i fell asleep. +i got up at quarter to twelve i was starving so i had a er er soup. -bit of mushroom soup, you know, and er i just sa thought, there's nay use, i said i'm gonna go back to bed. -er plumped myself up and all comfy started reading my book and i fell asleep. +bit of mushroom soup, you know, and er i just sa thought, there's nay use, i said i'm gonna go back to bed. +er plumped myself up and all comfy started reading my book and i fell asleep. yeah. och aye . why don't you try and do that one with your own . aye. it's quite interesting in different conversations. i will do that. -well i'm hoping that, that tape i've been using when i go to ian and shaun's, that er the noise of rangers does nay it ma goes too loud, you know. +well i'm hoping that, that tape i've been using when i go to ian and shaun's, that er the noise of rangers does nay it ma goes too loud, you know. i know. same, same as that. what? @@ -10644,17 +10633,17 @@ i think she was just, she was wanting a fortnight away. no. well i just need to try and spread everything out and hope nobody goes there. well i think -because the car's due this week and er these two endowment policies so there's not enough money in to cover them, so +because the car's due this week and er these two endowment policies so there's not enough money in to cover them, so no. -and then we'll have to cancel out the garage, so don't know how much that's gonna be. +and then we'll have to cancel out the garage, so don't know how much that's gonna be. i hope it isn't, that could be embarrassing. just what elaine said aye. -her mum's everybody else does it. -you're not as bad as dad, the 's are gonna phone again. +her mum's everybody else does it. +you're not as bad as dad, the 's are gonna phone again. and what they want him for? -stop for david . -i mean that was last march no, april was it? +stop for david . +i mean that was last march no, april was it? april or may? well, it's . i'm not like that. @@ -10662,9 +10651,9 @@ they can still book can't they? they could take ours and against them. well i don't know. maybe, they're not wanting it. -but they said that that was for us and we said the garages, it's sort of run down now and no use in trying to build it up again. +but they said that that was for us and we said the garages, it's sort of run down now and no use in trying to build it up again. aye, no, i'm not saying that. -i'm saying squaring it off financially. +i'm saying squaring it off financially. no. but at the end of the day, i mean, he's sure gonna turn round and do it to us. no. @@ -10680,25 +10669,25 @@ mm. we're off then. and when do you go to saint boswell's? february. -ah well the what? +ah well the what? twenty fourth. oh that's about and there? aye. -oh aye done our time. -aye, well i said to the woman that, i could, i, er actually it's a photocopy, you know that old +oh aye done our time. +aye, well i said to the woman that, i could, i, er actually it's a photocopy, you know that old mm. -i hand them around just letting people know what i'm doing you know. +i hand them around just letting people know what i'm doing you know. and er where d'ya get the headphones for? -well that's for me to listening back if i've, if somebody objects to, you know +well that's for me to listening back if i've, if somebody objects to, you know aye. aye. -i can then put the headphones on, listen back to it and then erase their conversation, you know? +i can then put the headphones on, listen back to it and then erase their conversation, you know? well i apologize to the listener of this tape cos it is nay very brilliant. aye . -le i let you take my dinner in peace that's why we did nay record our dinner. +le i let you take my dinner in peace that's why we did nay record our dinner. talking to, but it's not as if it's a video camera. aye. well that's my, just my video experience coming out innit? @@ -10735,18 +10724,18 @@ well i mean we're, we're taking a load of the a yankee words and no sound proper na well it's that is it? ah! -no i had a a chap at the door at half past four this afternoon and it was this woman for the british market research bureau er +no i had a a chap at the door at half past four this afternoon and it was this woman for the british market research bureau er you shouldn't let her in. know nothing about her. -ah she does,aye, aye no, and she says you know, answer a few questions and all that, would i like to take part in a sur survey of how the english language is getting used? +ah she does,aye, aye no, and she says you know, answer a few questions and all that, would i like to take part in a sur survey of how the english language is getting used? you know, and mm mm. -what words, regional accents and things, you know to u kind of update you know, the dictionary sort of style. +what words, regional accents and things, you know to u kind of update you know, the dictionary sort of style. mhm. -oh yeah, but we well she's gonna change it, d'ya know when you update it you know they bring it back down with all the different words that, that's being to the the, the, the, the dialect, not the dialect, the the vocabulary they, they've, they've got in america. -i mean, they, they spell a lot of words quite different to the others. +oh yeah, but we well she's gonna change it, d'ya know when you update it you know they bring it back down with all the different words that, that's being to the the, the, the, the dialect, not the dialect, the the vocabulary they, they've, they've got in america. +i mean, they, they spell a lot of words quite different to the others. oh aye, aye. -aye, but you know like you se she mentioned one in particular, like +aye, but you know like you se she mentioned one in particular, like what? the word skeilth skeilth? @@ -10758,7 +10747,7 @@ it's a sponger. she can't put you down . aye. but we know how words like that crop up. -but, yeah but, ah but that's an old scottish but, not that's a scottish word. +but, yeah but, ah but that's an old scottish but, not that's a scottish word. will we get that in the dictionary? but i don't think they would because that's er er, yeah in the scottish dictionary. @@ -10767,26 +10756,26 @@ well i, i know . what? well, i love the word! it's, it's quite a funny word when you, when you're sitting and look at it . -s k e i l ya. +s k e i l ya. . your really. -i know, but when she was saying apparently th like the research was that er people who leave scotland and go down to, you know the south of england and all that, their words begin to crop up down there. +i know, but when she was saying apparently th like the research was that er people who leave scotland and go down to, you know the south of england and all that, their words begin to crop up down there. mhm. you know. -so they may, may be able to get used then and ra maybe warrant an entry into the dictionary. +so they may, may be able to get used then and ra maybe warrant an entry into the dictionary. well that's what i'm talking you know. about, yeah. -you, a few ma americans that's how the da the la english language started off. -and you've got a lot of words in, in, in er er, er a lot of latin words, and french words all in your, all in your dictionary now. +you, a few ma americans that's how the da the la english language started off. +and you've got a lot of words in, in, in er er, er a lot of latin words, and french words all in your, all in your dictionary now. that's right. mhm. -look where it got -and did she do a tape or said +look where it got +and did she do a tape or said no, no she left me this and twenty blank tapes. what for? -and i've got books to, for when i, who i speak to in conversation, you know, the names. +and i've got books to, for when i, who i speak to in conversation, you know, the names. can you not run away with that? who? no, no, no, no. @@ -10804,7 +10793,7 @@ aye. get something for it. ah! no, well -and a +and a came up to you you've got to interview twenty people? no, no, no i no it's just conversations, you know, normal conversations, like, you know @@ -10812,10 +10801,10 @@ but if you i mean i'll take this into work. they want answers to the er you know -and er, it's just so that they can maybe pick out oh yeah! +and er, it's just so that they can maybe pick out oh yeah! never heard that one before, you know, and maybe hear mm. -you know, a lot of people use excuse me, using it. +you know, a lot of people use excuse me, using it. and but er @@ -10828,9 +10817,9 @@ you've heard it on scottish thing on the telly. what schock aye. -it's mi mind that in er molly er molly . +it's mi mind that in er molly er molly . aye, molly . -she'll come about, that was about five years ago and and she was talking about the schock and half, half the panel er da didn't even know, they couldn't even spell it. +she'll come about, that was about five years ago and and she was talking about the schock and half, half the panel er da didn't even know, they couldn't even spell it. aye. aha. well it's out of. @@ -10842,13 +10831,13 @@ could have had a . but he uses the word si once they came back. where do they find that? well this is, this for a market research has come to see how often they're used. -for market research, they went to germany, german words an an and, and french words we're, we're, we're supposed to be getting into +for market research, they went to germany, german words an an and, and french words we're, we're, we're supposed to be getting into aye, europe. aye, i know, but well then it's just -how they want to see how the english word is spoken in the nineteen nineties. -see if there's any di cos i mean they've done all the thing be before, so the thing is as up to the noo, they want to see if there's any +how they want to see how the english word is spoken in the nineteen nineties. +see if there's any di cos i mean they've done all the thing be before, so the thing is as up to the noo, they want to see if there's any yeah. the difference. difference. @@ -10868,7 +10857,7 @@ aye. probably. well she was looking in your windows and saw this you see. oh that, that is a nice looking house. -it's a fella at , he'll do it. +it's a fella at , he'll do it. well there you are, it'll be about then send up ah oh. @@ -10886,20 +10875,20 @@ ah di ah but, did you not hear me shouting at them? no. what time was this at? er er, about ten ele about eleven o'clock. -and he had got a pile of something put on the ground from the er, at your park. +and he had got a pile of something put on the ground from the er, at your park. aye. right? and he was laughing er, and chasing her with it. and the screams there! -and he was shouting back to him, but,and then they went up the stair and they called up the stair and i and i don't know whether it was an affair, the fella that was screaming but he him a mouthful! +and he was shouting back to him, but,and then they went up the stair and they called up the stair and i and i don't know whether it was an affair, the fella that was screaming but he him a mouthful! and then they came back to her again and they had another carry on there. -and i went to them, i said well i think you're acting like a couple of schoolboys, i says, now there's a man there . -i says, i don't think you're for the beer beer. +and i went to them, i said well i think you're acting like a couple of schoolboys, i says, now there's a man there . +i says, i don't think you're for the beer beer. mhm. ah! he says, we're falling about pissed they are. oh aye. -and yu see that she's falling about +and yu see that she's falling about well aye. he's not seventeen at least. mm mm. @@ -10908,12 +10897,12 @@ a young lonny. you see the one,di she's gone now? no. no. -he's been standing up he's been standing up there -with a on her +he's been standing up he's been standing up there +with a on her beer. cos valerie said that. aha. -because i think he's in a room above you, but two or three times she heard er the wireless that er someone +because i think he's in a room above you, but two or three times she heard er the wireless that er someone oh aye. getting played loud. but then she says it's stopping her getting carl down. @@ -10925,31 +10914,31 @@ he looks about seventeen mhm. if he's a day, i swear. mhm. -this, stupid wee school ah but, she'll be twenty two, twenty three. +this, stupid wee school ah but, she'll be twenty two, twenty three. aye. mhm mm, yeah. aye. oh aye. -er, but the you've come in +er, but the you've come in i've seen them, i didn't know what the hell they were doing. -and i i was rushing down to get to the stair. +and i i was rushing down to get to the stair. but that was after they'd already tempered. aye. but they just ignored me then. mhm. couldn't care less. ah well, they're not gonna start wrecking the place again. -oh no er, no i knew it was only one night nearly since he +oh no er, no i knew it was only one night nearly since he aha. -dared to be mentioning about again. +dared to be mentioning about again. and he's definitely staying there. -cos i see the two of the kinda leave quite often, maybe about eleven +cos i see the two of the kinda leave quite often, maybe about eleven mhm. walking their baby. mhm. i never heard a bloody thing. oh . -well, well maybe it was your, maybe you hadn't . +well, well maybe it was your, maybe you hadn't . were, you were away saturday then? oh aye. and whe with that double glazing you cannae hear nothing lily says. @@ -10958,36 +10947,35 @@ cos well mary too, she never can hear it no that's right. and with double glazing. -same with the lassie for the on a monday night. +same with the lassie for the on a monday night. mhm. but we ruddy heard. blooming kids oh. getting disturbed out there. -they were annoying me actually, i thought i'd keep say something +they were annoying me actually, i thought i'd keep say something aha. but aye. . -and her the there's a, he er, he's only left school +and her the there's a, he er, he's only left school aye. -though they don't know whether he's that type, you know,, you know he's +though they don't know whether he's that type, you know,, you know he's aye. aye. well you've seen the one about - no no, right ah they won't do -they won't do a thing for the children in their old blind school because r b e a have got so much money we don't put our +they won't do a thing for the children in their old blind school because r b e a have got so much money we don't put our yes, aha, yes money into the school mhm cos there they can do it themselves i agree they shouldn't buy the tickets because they're the they shouldn't -ones that have provided us, have a go at +ones that have provided us, have a go at they are loaded they're loaded well there is other things they do want you on special, er pantomime before the school breaks up you know they of course @@ -11010,7 +10998,7 @@ right, definitely if brian could make the sort of oh contact the oh yes that's a good idea -yes, yes get a letter out and come back to me +yes, yes get a letter out and come back to me what about, to go back to the idea of scheduling and things mhm scheduling, yes @@ -11031,7 +11019,7 @@ yes, yes by whoever mm that there is that sort, kind of, everybody keeps in touch with everybody else erm -i think that's diff you see i, i don't think that's possible for everybody to keep in touch with everybody else, i think you've got to have one person, that everybody looks to, to say, right +i think that's diff you see i, i don't think that's possible for everybody to keep in touch with everybody else, i think you've got to have one person, that everybody looks to, to say, right all the dates are centre that, one person is that one i mean it could work on that basis then, that if, for example, i'm just thinking about, well just from my point of view, when i was arranging that date in stirling with the oxford people, i could of said well, thursday's okay with me is it okay with you until i've checked with mhm @@ -11040,7 +11028,7 @@ right kind of thing mhm and provided it's only one person it's not that difficult it's not that difficult -it's not you see because every person +it's not you see because every person have to check it with everybody yes, you'll have to buy a chart for that one person yes, the only thing is that, that in, in each city now @@ -11071,7 +11059,7 @@ try and take it back a step yes aha as a kind of clash diary mhm -but it's also linked, i mean the other thing that i've got at the back of my mind, is a kind of nightmare, is that when we were talking about the festival around about march that you know, we spoke to ingy er you know as a group and then that was all fine and we kept er going along and then, and then there was that sort of dreadful phone call i had from linda along the lines as i'm not sure if i've got any describers +but it's also linked, i mean the other thing that i've got at the back of my mind, is a kind of nightmare, is that when we were talking about the festival around about march that you know, we spoke to ingy er you know as a group and then that was all fine and we kept er going along and then, and then there was that sort of dreadful phone call i had from linda along the lines as i'm not sure if i've got any describers that's right, because it's august oh yes because it's august @@ -11096,7 +11084,7 @@ that's right i mean i was thinking that you can actually with linda actually you know because i loiter linda today's meeting obviously she was on holiday and you know -yeah i thought that was lovely +yeah i thought that was lovely they said she was on holiday, you know, erm and you know, so i mean mm mhm @@ -11182,7 +11170,7 @@ have to describe and yes and the people on the ground, well linda is obviously the, the other recorder yeah and you're obviously -i'm hoping that wendy 's going to be +i'm hoping that wendy 's going to be oh at glasgow, yes if she's going to take over, well obviously if those two come together @@ -11196,7 +11184,7 @@ that's right aha well the other thing that's in the back of my mind is i happen to know that cath is just taking on a new worker mhm -would she be able to is this a full time worker you've got? +would she be able to is this a full time worker you've got? yes she is a full time worker working beside you she's full time worker and er she's a clerical typists, typist so @@ -11207,7 +11195,7 @@ or whatever because that's the other problem with people like me is, i'm all over the place all the time. yes she can certainly i've only got a part time back up you see -she could certainly erm offer any, you know, assistance in whatever way the only thing is that erm +she could certainly erm offer any, you know, assistance in whatever way the only thing is that erm she doesn't really know the theatres so that's the thing no, no, now she doesn't know any theatres and she doesn't no that's yeah, you see that's , we really need someone who's involved to be honest @@ -11311,14 +11299,14 @@ oh well i mean that was red rag to the bull i don't think he ever, ever has, has he? well i've got people on my committee who are on r b a board oh -and they, that's why we got the equipment of course and they all support it and jim supports it +and they, that's why we got the equipment of course and they all support it and jim supports it jim's so there shouldn't be any problem no through that the chairman mhm -there shouldn't be any problem, but i mean he won't won't +there shouldn't be any problem, but i mean he won't won't right instruct the school to do anything about it no @@ -11326,7 +11314,7 @@ but we might be able to convince him. so what we've agreed then is that,f f you're hoping that wendy wendy is that e or i? -she actually +she actually yes she actually volunteered, ha oh she's sweet @@ -11348,7 +11336,7 @@ and i could have it a year diary in fact yeah because that's the sort of seasons you guys tell me what mhm -erm and you know and that would be their kind of bible get one with a lock on +erm and you know and that would be their kind of bible get one with a lock on yeah and er, you know we, we would just have to yes @@ -11358,7 +11346,7 @@ everybody and, you know everybody checks them everybody checks with those three people yes i think so -i mean in a way the purse thing is a bit more distant +i mean in a way the purse thing is a bit more distant a slight more distant, yes but non the less if you're mhm @@ -11366,8 +11354,8 @@ i mean you're still gonna have a but stirling isn't for instance, they'll want to consider their pantomime again mhm yeah, yeah, so you know we need to sort of pull that together -it's very important for the equipment as well if we're using the -yes, it's the as well +it's very important for the equipment as well if we're using the +yes, it's the as well exactly, yes, yes exactly all by and large i mean it's almost certainly it's getting it from one place to the next @@ -11406,7 +11394,7 @@ mm it's twenty past three mm right -erm, moving on, erm audio description in scotland, no er since this, the last meeting, yes cath and i have been talking about all that money, we had an entertaining day out +erm, moving on, erm audio description in scotland, no er since this, the last meeting, yes cath and i have been talking about all that money, we had an entertaining day out entertaining day out and to cut a long story short, we went to see three possible funders, er funder one was t s b foundation, where to cut a long story short i'm pretty sure that t s b er we, we have to put an application in for october i think we'll, we'll buy us another system only because the guy had lost his sight in korea @@ -11419,8 +11407,8 @@ of course too late oh yes i think you're right if i hadn't of been blinded he was out the door -so, er meeting number two was with geoff from carniki trust and he er welcome, welcomed -robert's, robert's got a +so, er meeting number two was with geoff from carniki trust and he er welcome, welcomed +robert's, robert's got a us very warmly and erm oh yes mhm @@ -11430,7 +11418,7 @@ you and i will need to sort ourselves on that, that's new er we just need to get the money and yeah erm, yeah i know it's, it's writing the application a little bit -so that, that will be quite good, erm and lastly we went to meet with sandra from youth out, fund employed theatrical fund, which was a meeting we weren't really allowed to have, and this is certainly not for the record +so that, that will be quite good, erm and lastly we went to meet with sandra from youth out, fund employed theatrical fund, which was a meeting we weren't really allowed to have, and this is certainly not for the record mhm erm because i'd phoned up and asked for them, er my secretary had phoned up and asked for a meeting with her but the response was we're not allowed to meet with you, so we said okay, cos it's public money and things it'll give us the edge, public money @@ -11441,10 +11429,10 @@ we happened to go up the stair and er, the door was answered the door was shut by this woman, who said, you know, who are you? what you want? -so we said were robert and +so we said were robert and she sort of gave me an odd look aha -went away and came back and said oh mr will see you in a minute and it turned out it was sandra +went away and came back and said oh mr will see you in a minute and it turned out it was sandra because youth and carniki i knew are in the same building, which is why we wanted to see you and she said while, since you are here, i can meet with you we won't talk to you @@ -11477,21 +11465,21 @@ esso's the tiger, yeah put a tiger in your audio description yes mhm -so and ufaf, ufaf is, is a, in fact ufaf i felt quite pleased about in a way because we'd, we'd analyzed maggie and i had analyzed the documents and jane and i and graham and i had spoken about it as well, that they are principally interested in unemployed volunteers +so and ufaf, ufaf is, is a, in fact ufaf i felt quite pleased about in a way because we'd, we'd analyzed maggie and i had analyzed the documents and jane and i and graham and i had spoken about it as well, that they are principally interested in unemployed volunteers mhm but not impulsively, but the, what i did have a concern about and i think we'll have to be a bit careful about this as we go forward is that, the audio description project is about audio description, youth and funding is about volunteers -yes, she's quite clear in +yes, she's quite clear in whilst the two er obviously aha fit together -it's the way you +it's the way you it's not quite the same no so it's not exactly like you're trying to put you know you're trying to put a right hand onto a left hand, but it, it's a certain element of that, erm having said that what do you think? i mean do you think she's going to respond well? oh definitely, aha donna made out about that yeah -she said, she's very into alan and she knows his work +she said, she's very into alan and she knows his work mhm cos he's i phoned alan, erm their rehab unit @@ -11528,12 +11516,12 @@ but it will become carniki decision will be conditional on ufaf application, i t ah, which is a bit iffy mhm but should be okay -but since geoffrey is actually one of the ufaf trustees as well it will all quickly fit in together +but since geoffrey is actually one of the ufaf trustees as well it will all quickly fit in together it's all intermingled, yes oh yes but once we've agreed is, once, once i've done the work, we have done the work, i have done the work with you helping me, er i've written this application, what i want to do is turn that into a much more general one and then i can write to you know maybe twenty, twenty five trusts on a more general basis yes -saying you know, we need a sum of money and mary will help me with the marketing of that and hopefully after that we would, go on enough to keep us going, so hopefully by the time christmas comes +saying you know, we need a sum of money and mary will help me with the marketing of that and hopefully after that we would, go on enough to keep us going, so hopefully by the time christmas comes mhm i mean we'll, we'll obviously have to sort of keep a, keep an eye on all this all the way through mhm @@ -11638,7 +11626,7 @@ yes three i've got all the bits and pieces of all okay, well put it on the agenda next time -right, yes, please i think that's a wee +right, yes, please i think that's a wee i can't find linda's aha and if people could get a copy of them all before the next meeting @@ -11650,7 +11638,7 @@ i mean i couldn't care less, as long as it was something must get something linda's is the mask in the theatre oh yes -not really, but +not really, but with headsets and erm lights that's it, that's it and headlights coming, you know, the @@ -11685,7 +11673,7 @@ if you're not so very artistic, all but seems just need to come up with a brief it was more or less something along those lines wasn't it yeah i could, i could -something as simple as linda's +something as simple as linda's linda's? it did have, yes i, i mean it, it wasn't that, but it was something you know that it was the masks @@ -11699,7 +11687,7 @@ oh so it's a lyceum over there really. no, no, personalize, personalize lyceum has just got a new logo i noticed -oh don't no +oh don't no said can we have your old one? yes yes, steal it, that'll be fine, i'll steal it @@ -11740,7 +11728,7 @@ yeah we've got more work required here aha yes, so, it needs someone, i mean i'm always -hers now, sort of saying why, those, those, but you see if there's nobody to doing that in edinburgh they're going to slip again unfortunately. +hers now, sort of saying why, those, those, but you see if there's nobody to doing that in edinburgh they're going to slip again unfortunately. yes that applies to hand and that applies right throughout the country absolutely yes yeah, so we need to yeah, we're, we're sort of thinking about it @@ -11755,25 +11743,25 @@ they need to understand how the equipment works, aha so that's part of the training aha that part, aha -yeah yeah right +yeah yeah right it's a trouble is it's an ongoing, it's a not a bit of training it's an ongoing no, the only thing is the thing is the equipment is new to everyone in edinburgh of course -and once they've shown, if somebody new comes along one of the old hand +and once they've shown, if somebody new comes along one of the old hand it'll just pass it on of course it'll pass on -will be passed on , but in this instance they all need to be shown how to work it, yes, mhm, so that concerned me a little bit, apparently because they were holding the mike right up to their mouth and it was distorting terribly what's going on up there +will be passed on , but in this instance they all need to be shown how to work it, yes, mhm, so that concerned me a little bit, apparently because they were holding the mike right up to their mouth and it was distorting terribly what's going on up there so it's, it's the sort of mm mhm improper use yes exactly, yes -right so i mean there's, there's obviously more need to be thought through on that and the video i haven't, oh i have done something more about the video +right so i mean there's, there's obviously more need to be thought through on that and the video i haven't, oh i have done something more about the video mhm -erm, i haven't, i was gonna go and, i tried phoning lorne one time i was going through to glasgow just to see if i could, can i have a, can i have a pint with him or something, erm, just to chew it over cos he suggested you know he'd made various helpful suggestions, in the meantime i didn't manage to meet him, but in the meantime i did manage to speak to my father-in-law who has a camcorder and er he will be more than happy to erm, he's also got editing equipment, he would be more than happy you know, to do the home made video that we've talked about, i need to talk to him about this because the obvious place to do will be the lyceum on one of your shows +erm, i haven't, i was gonna go and, i tried phoning lorne one time i was going through to glasgow just to see if i could, can i have a, can i have a pint with him or something, erm, just to chew it over cos he suggested you know he'd made various helpful suggestions, in the meantime i didn't manage to meet him, but in the meantime i did manage to speak to my father-in-law who has a camcorder and er he will be more than happy to erm, he's also got editing equipment, he would be more than happy you know, to do the home made video that we've talked about, i need to talk to him about this because the obvious place to do will be the lyceum on one of your shows can you get, can you give me the name erm, the rest of the -through to glasgow she was rose that she lecturers and dramas or something +through to glasgow she was rose that she lecturers and dramas or something margaret margaret , can you give me a phone number for her because i thought if they do that they must put her on plays with us students yeah, well that is another possibility we could @@ -11809,7 +11797,7 @@ what lorne, has, the concern lorne has is, is that he doesn't want that tape, fi mm, yes hands, erm, i mean he's, he's really genuinely concerned, wanting to help us, but i mean he's obviously he's, you know, he is the union oh yes, absolutely he's quite right about that -and he has to represent his neighbours , erm so erm so we would need to guar give guarantees, i think that would have to be +and he has to represent his neighbours , erm so erm so we would need to guar give guarantees, i think that would have to be have to give guarantees that the tape would not be abused, but i mean that in, in, in actuality you know, if it was you doing the training that's right it comes down for you and you would have to sign documents of, erm, anyway so it's @@ -11824,10 +11812,10 @@ when do you start again? i speak to stella now do you speak, do you start straight after the festival we have a gala evening? er eleventh -right, well what i'll do is, if you like, that's it this is the erm, erm linda +right, well what i'll do is, if you like, that's it this is the erm, erm linda mhm mhm -friend, who i spoke to cath +friend, who i spoke to cath i'll date it no i can't and can i tell you, i'm not being funny but i think that's actually maybe quite important, i know this is not the in doubt visually impaired people but oh no @@ -11894,7 +11882,7 @@ mm that's my initial thought it's not obvious oh we definitely don't want that cos all the money will go the money will go to sign language in devon -can i, can i have a +can i, can i have a what you see are the headphones so you think about hearing hearing you don't think about sight @@ -11923,7 +11911,7 @@ but the, the dog listening to a big ear instead of a, an earphone if guide dogs can sue us aye guide dogs, i know. now er moving on -erm i did phone marcus up and asked why were the +erm i did phone marcus up and asked why were the coming to london and it is something to do with television yes he gave me a number to phone and i've tried phoning and i've not had a response, but i'll keep trying @@ -11980,7 +11968,7 @@ aha well i'll be in aberdeen anyway oh -and that's aberdeen airport i could maybe pick you up +and that's aberdeen airport i could maybe pick you up yes, let's try and i'm not quite sure i've put my name down cos i live in aberdeen, my home's aberdeen, so i'll be in aberdeen @@ -11995,15 +11983,15 @@ i don't know i know i quite like to go, but erm well i'll be in -i was telling you +i was telling you i'd loved to have gone you know commodore cos that's where tom's going commercial in russell square, next door aye next door -oh that +oh that yeah all the theatres and the country -there is the, there's the +there is the, there's the i find that quite useful the erm scottish theatre guide yes the scottish theatre guide @@ -12011,8 +11999,8 @@ i haven't seen one of them for a long time i'm staying in aberdeen of course that was scottish, federation scottish -there's a theatre marketing which is closing it, well, sort of shutting up shop at the end of the month, maybe -so do i, what i like about going home is you can get away +there's a theatre marketing which is closing it, well, sort of shutting up shop at the end of the month, maybe +so do i, what i like about going home is you can get away i haven't seen that for a long time so we're back this isn't a federation @@ -12053,7 +12041,7 @@ editorial of, of the gathering of the information mhm yes that would be -yeah, right erm +yeah, right erm cos the publicity is not just for visually impaired people or even for sponsors, it's for theatres too when they're seeing this and saying ooh, i noticed they're doing that, this, this and this mm and we're not doing it @@ -12064,14 +12052,14 @@ that'll be an idea wouldn't it? talking about publications , one of the things from the last meeting is iris pointed out the number of theatres in here say they do audio description and i've, i've yeah oh i, i said that to you at the time robert, i mean i'll be honest and i saw that document and i nearly died and it's the way they say it too -i don't suppose +i don't suppose you know i've been, i've been through them all and er there's only one or two that i've not actually had any contact with actually one way or another. -some of them are people that erm that i've generally had contact with, in terms of starting to talk to people about it erm, other people are being kind of, what's the word, optimistic, with the truth likes and the brides for example , erm +some of them are people that erm that i've generally had contact with, in terms of starting to talk to people about it erm, other people are being kind of, what's the word, optimistic, with the truth likes and the brides for example , erm well we have done it we've done it since they lied about what happens it's like it's like the arkley one, i want to know, you know and the small and the one down in the borders -the one that's down in the borders yes, i mean that, i've seen so , another piece of print about that one down in the borders and erm it's, it's not our version of audio description, so i am going to write +the one that's down in the borders yes, i mean that, i've seen so , another piece of print about that one down in the borders and erm it's, it's not our version of audio description, so i am going to write and linked to that i was going to do a new information sheet, i found the old information sheet so i just bring that up to date mhm i do, i like, do you think i could have a copy of anything you've got to date because lying in my desk this morning is something i have to prepare a briefing note for my chairman and i was thinking about that recent one, but i couldn't put my hand on it robert, absolutely updated on exactly where we are. @@ -12107,10 +12095,10 @@ you can re-type it if you can gonna get it's on the computer though, i think we can manage oh dear -so erm, advisory committee being the next item, well we will, we'll have a word from brian we'll, i haven't approached er david yet in glasgow meeting, but i will do +so erm, advisory committee being the next item, well we will, we'll have a word from brian we'll, i haven't approached er david yet in glasgow meeting, but i will do mhm and obviously ingy will let us know when she can come and we can talk a little more about the festival. -erm, i've been thinking that i can't chair this meeting and take the notes and things when it becomes, and if it, the fund comes through and it becomes the audio description project as opposed to this group, and you know we will be widening out a little bit, i wonder if we should actually have a chairman type person. +erm, i've been thinking that i can't chair this meeting and take the notes and things when it becomes, and if it, the fund comes through and it becomes the audio description project as opposed to this group, and you know we will be widening out a little bit, i wonder if we should actually have a chairman type person. i haven't spoken to erm, i mean i only thought this coming along in the street, whether there's anybody sort of notable, i mean is it, is, is, is there any value in actually having a figurehead type chairman you know, sort of celebrity type yes i think it makes a big difference type person who you can @@ -12120,8 +12108,8 @@ mhm you know snip ribbons and things i dunno, i'm not suggesting will you find out now, but there's something yes, interesting angle if there's anybody that comes to mind. -i thought about tom on more than one occasion because tom for so many years was the voice of the royal wedding and erm this and that state affairs and things, state occasions and he only lives in murrayfield, i mean -a state of affairs is not appropriate at the moment mind you +i thought about tom on more than one occasion because tom for so many years was the voice of the royal wedding and erm this and that state affairs and things, state occasions and he only lives in murrayfield, i mean +a state of affairs is not appropriate at the moment mind you i heard that they were, they were videoing for this thing and you know, they were over and some of them were doing something and it is somebody you normally and the news and i said the news and actually sort of frozen and the guy said to me, he must of actually seen me frozen there, he said it's okay, it's okay, it's nothing about whatever her name is, you know @@ -12160,9 +12148,9 @@ in fact it makes you more stupid mm you know working type chairman or something, i don't know, anyway it's just for you to think about it yes, that's it -right, any other business iris look forward to the playback send you about seven hundred pounds +right, any other business iris look forward to the playback send you about seven hundred pounds mhm -and so jane can now report the, now that's been settled +and so jane can now report the, now that's been settled yes, thank you, thank you that's really good erm @@ -12227,26 +12215,26 @@ i'll get the cheque made payable to and hope you're administering this robert and then robert knows -the only question is whether or not jane has a key to open the drawer in the +the only question is whether or not jane has a key to open the drawer in the i know i couldn't get the, i couldn't find the key for the desk, no that was her story, alright oh i've forgot to say under advisory committee, i, this has taken so long, i've completely forgot about it. -we do when we set up this group we asked +we do when we set up this group we asked for a representative ah, yes aha -and eventually after some searching they nominated someone who then resigned from her post not clare -clearly because they nominated for +and eventually after some searching they nominated someone who then resigned from her post not clare +clearly because they nominated for right in stirling, central region, erm changed her job or something so that she no longer her, her voice mhm on disability issues and they haven't been able to find anybody else, but what they've said,despite extensive attempts the convention has not been able to obtain a replacement for this one, due to and buys us time. i'm disappointed that we cannot be represented, but sure you will appreciate position. -please continue to send papers for any relevant meetings and an attempt will be made to respond to appropriate issues, if there is any specific topic you wish to be considered, please do not hesitate to get in touch so i thought that was quite a nice letter seeing as i practically read them all +please continue to send papers for any relevant meetings and an attempt will be made to respond to appropriate issues, if there is any specific topic you wish to be considered, please do not hesitate to get in touch so i thought that was quite a nice letter seeing as i practically read them all i would also like a copy of that mhm because if i enclosed a copy of that with this response to chief execs mhm -that'll kind of filter its way through into and will cause will certain need some +that'll kind of filter its way through into and will cause will certain need some yes i'm not quite sure of how and they won't like that one little bit, they'll amend them because they've done it yeah, i mean it's been going on for ages @@ -12255,26 +12243,26 @@ erm particularly fair right, i mean i'm not quite sure how coslow will go about things, i mean the reason we wanted someone from coslow is cos we wanted someone from the federation of scottish theatre cos we hadn't heard for a while yes -we had roy and then we had simon for a bit and then we decided because it wasn't working altogether an edinburgh person and a glasgow person +we had roy and then we had simon for a bit and then we decided because it wasn't working altogether an edinburgh person and a glasgow person mhm erm -well i think it's very important robert because, i mean as the charter for the arts indicated look at the money that local authorities are spending upstairs to us and really you know we, we are +well i think it's very important robert because, i mean as the charter for the arts indicated look at the money that local authorities are spending upstairs to us and really you know we, we are well exactly, i mean we have, we sort of, we, we kind of anticipated that oh yes, so i mean come on let's, let's give them another wee push, gently -so , i mean we've erm, i mean i've developed a relationship with david at coslow +so , i mean we've erm, i mean i've developed a relationship with david at coslow yes that's right -so it might be that he could come, erm, anyway i'll give you a copy of that +so it might be that he could come, erm, anyway i'll give you a copy of that yes, so that i can just sort of say, you know, we did invite and, that might help where are we on i mean i'm not quite sure how coslow , how do coslow sort of nominate their representatives like that? we asked them to put some i've no idea, i mean, did they sort of send someone like you -who's who is an employee -well for, for example phil is our, yeah phil seems to, to go to some of these meetings and, but mainly it's the elected members +who's who is an employee +well for, for example phil is our, yeah phil seems to, to go to some of these meetings and, but mainly it's the elected members yeah mhm and it's usually elected in -well glen isn't in fact an elected member +well glen isn't in fact an elected member ah, right, well, i mean she should be able to give us somebody, god there's, there's ten million of them i would of thought so that's right and it helps you @@ -12283,7 +12271,7 @@ with funding, you know, it does help what about jimmy ? because then they go back jimmy ? yeah -councillor you know people like that +councillor you know people like that yeah anyway yes that would be where are we with costing and theatres on the nominal charge? @@ -12338,7 +12326,7 @@ we could do it up till christmas, three monthly or something like that yeah mind, we wouldn't want it every time yes, mm -so we need to some time +so we need to some time too much paper work apart from anything else yes, that's right it's a pest that's good that's good @@ -12350,7 +12338,7 @@ not stuck yes and that's a hundred and eighty pounds worth there yeah -it's too +it's too it's too expensive over, over the holiday season that's right that's another one for christmas then @@ -12364,7 +12352,7 @@ yeah by now yes you could of it's a shame -erm, oh i have got something else, which is music, erm, at the last meeting i said i've been talking to simon from the queen's hall, about the idea of doing pre-concert notes +erm, oh i have got something else, which is music, erm, at the last meeting i said i've been talking to simon from the queen's hall, about the idea of doing pre-concert notes mhm right not, not actually doing an audio description of the conductor @@ -12380,10 +12368,10 @@ radio system or aha indeed into the infra red if you were using the, i mean obviously that's a small scale, probably wouldn't, erm, so the idea of actually putting some concert notes onto a tape or indeed doing it live, so anyway simon is away on holiday, after the festival but i've arranged cannon principal and for him and you right -and his most regular blind patron who you know mrs +and his most regular blind patron who you know mrs mhm to -ann mhm +ann mhm to kind of just get together with someone he's identified a person whose name i can't remember but he's got a chamber orchestra right what i was interested in knowing in was for example whether he's got his chamber orchestra repeated their same concert five or six times in different cities @@ -12416,10 +12404,10 @@ and that was picked up our infra reds there they're infra red, yeah that's picked up right then -so, so there is something +so, so there is something i mean margaret, have you been to it cath? no -margaret was at it really she said really it was not much for blind people +margaret was at it really she said really it was not much for blind people no and i've no it's not i've spoke to colin to @@ -12452,7 +12440,7 @@ and we had half a dozen of them at the box office and if anyone, i think we stil yes but it meant people could go up to the box office and take a tape recorder and sit and listen to them right -i think they had to take the +i think they had to take the oh we did that as well, you had the morag does it, morag does it for them anyway yes, so it's quite good to have that kind of thing to publicize. @@ -12535,14 +12523,14 @@ well this is something that we have talked about i mean we touched on how we're going to reach some, but is there any this is something we've, we've talked about and in fact lucy and i have talked about it mhm -actually we, mm, at some length and had a few ideas, erm i've got an appointment with someone at the arts council in a couple of weeks that the arts council's got a new fund called erm consultants in research and i thought i'd make a bid to see if we can get someone +actually we, mm, at some length and had a few ideas, erm i've got an appointment with someone at the arts council in a couple of weeks that the arts council's got a new fund called erm consultants in research and i thought i'd make a bid to see if we can get someone mhm to research this audience and ways of getting to it mhm mhm presumably you know roughly how many people are, are already if you look at the number on the register, i've got three and a half thousand -already we can give you these numbers i mean we've got +already we can give you these numbers i mean we've got yeah, but that doesn't mean anything if you're getting ten people turning up it doesn't mean anything no, but it means, it means that we know how we've got to gear up @@ -12565,7 +12553,7 @@ that's right and there's also people who have been to the theatre before that's yes, no, oh no and the audience, yeah and it's not like the deaf audience had, had dealing with the -have a hearing audience, yes that are older, but the deaf audience which is very young, but other audiences and people who have lost their sight +have a hearing audience, yes that are older, but the deaf audience which is very young, but other audiences and people who have lost their sight yes have been to theatre mhm @@ -12620,7 +12608,7 @@ yes newspeak's already out yes that's right -so the only, the that the easiest way for me to do +so the only, the that the easiest way for me to do playback's out yeah playback's out as well, the easiest way for us to get to people is through these mhm @@ -12681,7 +12669,7 @@ all that kind of thing, yes yeah it's having that knowledge you know that's right trying to get people together for that japanese -let them take +let them take night i remember japanese night but that was very difficult to organize because they, they never give us time and, and @@ -12695,7 +12683,6 @@ first of october mhm and iris probably round about then and then you'll need that - can i begin by asking you how yes you do please i'd rather how. @@ -12706,11 +12693,11 @@ is it nurse ? yes. yes. that's right yes. -nurse or mrs , which you like. +nurse or mrs , which you like. yes. were you born on anglesey? i was. -in did you want to hear that? +in did you want to hear that? yes. in . primrose place , and it's still there now. @@ -12722,16 +12709,16 @@ what did your parents do? erm well my father was a like a on a far a small farmer's son you see. and he was a man of all trade in the end because my grandfather's like that. he could do anything. -but he did help most in the with the graveyards in the end and he used to ring the bell in the church. +but he did help most in the with the graveyards in the end and he used to ring the bell in the church. he was a bell ringer for years. my father was. and my great grandfather he was a bookbinder. he's buried in . and er i used to think in the old days that bookbinding was a very common thing, but since i've grown er and gone through the world, i thought he was a very clever man. -he's buried in and he was the only bookbinder round here. +he's buried in and he was the only bookbinder round here. did you got to school in ? yes. -i went to school in till i was fourteen. +i went to school in till i was fourteen. did you enjoy school? yes i did i would have liked to have gone much farther but i couldn't. my grandparents said they couldn't afford it. @@ -12740,7 +12727,7 @@ i'd have to stay in holyhead for a few nights. and no bike you see. is that how most children got to the school there? yes. -and most er most of the children you see went from to holyhead. +and most er most of the children you see went from to holyhead. there were no buses them days. they had to walk to valley station to the train unless their people could afford to buy them bicycles . so erm @@ -12751,7 +12738,7 @@ or a nurse. so what did you do when you left school? erm well i went to liverpool. i was promised that i could learn t i could be a nurse if i went and i went to the bishop of liverpool's erm household in liverpool. -er i met them in when they were on holiday and that's how i got in. +er i met them in when they were on holiday and that's how i got in. and she took to me and she took me to liverpool and they were very good to me. i was there till i was married. i forgot about the nursing. @@ -12761,9 +12748,9 @@ er well i was doing all kinds really there was a staff then and of servants but and doing afterwards i did t er see the war came and they couldn't get people. people went to do ammunition and all that. see there's more money. -so i erm took i i helped the parlour work. +so i erm took i i helped the parlour work. when the when the er what do you call him? -the butler went off, there was no butler then so i really helped with the with the with the with the food and all that you know. +the butler went off, there was no butler then so i really helped with the with the with the with the food and all that you know. i enjoyed it very much. i forgot about my nursing . and see good nice people visited you see, and they were always very kind. @@ -12772,7 +12759,7 @@ well no i didn't miss anglesey at all because er my outlook was to get away and you see. i was never homesick. how long were you in liverpool? -nineteen j from eighteen to thirty three, what does that come to? +nineteen j from eighteen to thirty three, what does that come to? er fifteen years. . eighteen and ten, twenty years. @@ -12807,9 +12794,9 @@ i wanted to be on anglesey because my son was at school by then you see in . he was only four and a half when his father died. after your training did you come straight back to anglesey? yes i came to back to angl to rhos-y-bol. -well i did a little a bit round er like llan not llandudno. +well i did a little a bit round er like llan not llandudno. rhyl and that area. -because my superintendent from anglesey, she was superintendent from as well you see. +because my superintendent from anglesey, she was superintendent from as well you see. and then she was short of a nursing there and then i went there for a bit. there was a gap in anglesey. what was it like in rhos-y-bol? @@ -12835,21 +12822,21 @@ erm they wouldn't she'd be alright for the first time you see, but they would ge i mean it wouldn't be fair to anybody to start afresh there. so i left and came here. i bought this plot of land and built this bungalow on it. -how big an area did you have when you in rhos-y-bol? +how big an area did you have when you in rhos-y-bol? it was quite four and half miles round the area you see. five miles in some places. you see the area and i did on a bicycle you know. not like today. you went twice a day in those days to the mothers and babies. -and you visit them for there was one time we visit them for fourteen day daily but i don't think they do it now. +and you visit them for there was one time we visit them for fourteen day daily but i don't think they do it now. and then it coul com cut down to ten days. -but by the time you see i had the st david's hospital opened by then in bangor. +but by the time you see i had the st david's hospital opened by then in bangor. see when i came to rhos-y-bol in nineteen thirty three, there was no st david's hospital then, all the babies were born at home. -and er there was only the workhouse at that they could go. +and er there was only the workhouse at that they could go. and i oh i fought hard i never wanted a baby to be born in the wok house cos the word workhouse to me in the old it was a terrible name. and i wouldn't like a child of mine and i managed just two i had to send to the workhouse and a mother and baby died there, it was a bad case you see. and the other little boy was born there but i used to visit him, i see him on the district and it always came back to me fancy humphrey's the only one shouldn't mention name really. -was born in you know. +was born in you know. it's a great thing to keep them from and to me in those days. cos i used to remember w er liverpool erm i can't think something hill in liverp wharton hill workhouse. oh everybody dreaded going there. @@ -12864,9 +12851,9 @@ i've been there and i find how happy people are there. it's really a treat to go there and see how things have changed isn't it. people are so kind today. did you use a bike all the time you were at rhos-y-bol? -i used the bicycle from nineteen thirty five until nineteen fifty. +i used the bicycle from nineteen thirty five until nineteen fifty. and i tried to save up for a car cos my son was in the army. -yeah he was taken to the army from the grammar school in holyhead and i did want a car when he came home. +yeah he was taken to the army from the grammar school in holyhead and i did want a car when he came home. i thought, i'd like him to think that i'd improved a little bit. and erm managed to buy a car and i paid four hundred and ten for it. just think of it. @@ -12886,17 +12873,17 @@ how many districts were there? well when i started i'm sure there was about twenty. and we we see we'd only have these small areas see. see there'd be amlwch, rhos- y-bol,well now it's one area see the lot of it. -and then there's menai bridge, and nearly one there's menai bridge was one,was one. -then the area, that's right, there's three or four areas that way again you see. +and then there's menai bridge, and nearly one there's menai bridge was one,was one. +then the area, that's right, there's three or four areas that way again you see. what was your most common sort of problem? common problem? getting about i think. -see the weather you see was bad if you had it bad but i i kept well in health considering you know. +see the weather you see was bad if you had it bad but i i kept well in health considering you know. and you know people were very good. see people didn't have cars, and if it was now, they could only help me by bringing a horse to meet me or erm or a tractor if they half way. -and then perhaps we could then perhaps they could somebody would shovel the snow and it was very hard in the winter you know, some places. -perhaps you could c come from you see, but you wouldn't be able to come near amlwch or you could get to amlwch and you couldn't get to . -they were h hard times you know. +and then perhaps we could then perhaps they could somebody would shovel the snow and it was very hard in the winter you know, some places. +perhaps you could c come from you see, but you wouldn't be able to come near amlwch or you could get to amlwch and you couldn't get to . +they were h hard times you know. and there were no telephones you see when i first came. didn't get a telephone till nineteen well i couldn't tell you really. i was years without a telephone in rhos- y-bol. @@ -12911,26 +12898,26 @@ but the post office people didn't like it again. they had to come, give me my messages you see. people left messages but that wasn't right again. so they didn't like telephones. -then er the county then had to give us telephones. -but really it was it years without . +then er the county then had to give us telephones. +but really it was it years without . what was the prelavent case you had to treat? was it usually just childbirth? -well it was erm i don't think i can remember . +well it was erm i don't think i can remember . bleeding you know what do you call . what do you call it now . -it was the babies you see that they were well you had to have the doctor to you. -i only had to call mr once. +it was the babies you see that they were well you had to have the doctor to you. +i only had to call mr once. to a case. and he was the superintendent of angle started you see, st david's hospital. -and he came once to me on the district to me i don't know he went to others. -and called him. +and he came once to me on the district to me i don't know he went to others. +and called him. it was a case of right in the face. post parting haemorrhage. and anyway he'd survived. and we took the mother to bangor next day in the ambulance. oh it was a terrible place to get the ambulance into. -it was in the fields outside in the bogs there. -and people just come here. +it was in the fields outside in the bogs there. +and people just come here. and there was an old lady there and she fell down and broke her arm, we had a terrible night of it. but she survived and she lived and brought her children and they left to be in england again. they were english people. @@ -12939,7 +12926,7 @@ unusual case? oh what shall i tell you now? well i've had cases in the bus you know. babies in the bus has been born. -i've had them born in the car on the way the the mother have come to see me the father has brought her to see me thinking that if she could just see me she'd be alright. +i've had them born in the car on the way the the mother have come to see me the father has brought her to see me thinking that if she could just see me she'd be alright. but anyway the baby's been born in the car before he got home. yeah. it's a scream isn't it. @@ -12948,7 +12935,7 @@ happy days and the money was small but still, don't worry. did that did that get better as time went on? oh yes. yes. -yes, when it first came, it was only two pound a week. +yes, when it first came, it was only two pound a week. and i had to pay my rooms out of that. five shillings. out of that you see and my insurance and all that isn't it. @@ -12986,9 +12973,9 @@ but i suppose if i hadn't got anything i'd get it from somewhere. i find those that haven't got anything are just as well off today. did you have a union? well i suppose you would call it a union wouldn't you. -erm the midwives the midwife had erm now what did you call it? -it was like a union for the midwives you see. -er the nurses had but we didn't we more district midwives on the district you see. +erm the midwives the midwife had erm now what did you call it? +it was like a union for the midwives you see. +er the nurses had but we didn't we more district midwives on the district you see. the things changed and after that. when you first arrived at rhos-y-bol, were you taking over from another nurse? pardon? @@ -13027,12 +13014,12 @@ but they used to get very lonely. when they came, that was the trouble. but they used to i had my house packed to the wall. friends from liverpool i opened my house to. -they would come see perhaps for two or three weekends you know. +they would come see perhaps for two or three weekends you know. then they's go back to liverpool. -when it starts in liverpool again, they'd come back again. +when it starts in liverpool again, they'd come back again. i le let my an open house to my friends from liverpool. friends that had been kind to me. -then they got very in er after two years after the was had started erm south of england got it badly you see. +then they got very in er after two years after the was had started erm south of england got it badly you see. so my in-laws were south of england people and i opened my house to them. they came for the first lot for nine months, then they went back. they came back again, they were here nearly two years. @@ -13041,13 +13028,13 @@ from hastings that was you see. so i was i i had my house full all through the war. did the evacuees mean a lot more work? well i didn't work, i opened the house for them and they looked after themselves. -i never fed them or they were to look after themselves. +i never fed them or they were to look after themselves. there was a bed for them you see. and a room to eat . -and er liverpool people were very good, very kind, they always had a meal for me things if they could. +and er liverpool people were very good, very kind, they always had a meal for me things if they could. and i used to get vegetables you see in from the farmers. and very often if anybody was killing a pig or anything, i'd always get a piece of erm pork something like that. -not the people were very kind in rhos-y-bol. +not the people were very kind in rhos-y-bol. the old rhos-y-bol people. did that change after the war? changed after the war, yes. @@ -13079,7 +13066,7 @@ and then went. and then the land you see they worked more on the land didn't they. the men did, farming took er more men didn't it. and then the camps you see, during the war, you see people were out of work during the war e before the war in rhos-y-bol. -be sitting on the wall by my a lot of the men. +be sitting on the wall by my a lot of the men. but you see the camp when the war came, opened somewhere in er near valley and everybody got a job. and a lot of them went away after. w so er things changed completely didn't it. @@ -13090,14 +13077,14 @@ we've had wonderful doctors in amlwch. sir thomas , oh he was a marvel. he was a dear father and he had two sons, doctors. marvellous sons he had again. -and then dr , he was a genius, and he was a born in and i knew h my family and his family knew one another. +and then dr , he was a genius, and he was a born in and i knew h my family and his family knew one another. and you know i adored dr , he was a wonderful man. he was kind, didn't say much and worked hard. he died young in about sixty. a man that understood the people. we were very fortunate and we're still fortunate. we've got lovely young doctors here now. -a dr from he was sir thomas's son you know lovely. +a dr from he was sir thomas's son you know lovely. so kind you know, nothing was too much for him. is there still a district nurse as such? pardon? @@ -13138,7 +13125,7 @@ and er you know, it's lovely really to see them and to think they remember you s mm. i used to shout at them you know. mm. -. my son used to don't shout at them mother, he said. +. my son used to don't shout at them mother, he said. well, i said, they are naughty. they were running round my house they were. so this night my son said to me, mother, he said, when those boys have grown up men, do you know what they'll be saying? @@ -13150,14 +13137,13 @@ mm. do you still stay in touch with the other district nurses? oh yes, but there's very few of them, you'd be su i'm eighty four you see. and erm you see most of them have k very few of them . -i nurse hers was lovely to work with. -and nurse williams into the clinic to see her, they're much younger than me you see. +i nurse hers was lovely to work with. +and nurse williams into the clinic to see her, they're much younger than me you see. and they're lovely young people they were to work with really. it's only those two now i think. because you know a lot of that had died you know. -they were a lovely little nurse we had in me and nurse williams from . -she was very - +they were a lovely little nurse we had in me and nurse williams from . +she was very so now we're being recorded. all very exciting i hope they can hear us. so if we can have some good examples of the english language please. @@ -13173,8 +13159,8 @@ it in neural network terms is a binary weighted. it means that the weights are typically binary in the network. so you can also use lots of different learning rules compar compared to the er networks you see. quite different. -however even though it is a neural network however, erm you can see it is a pack recognition technique and in fact it was first developed in nineteen fifty nine as the n tuple method er by some chap browning erm i think cos i've never heard of browning since that paper. -so what i want to do is to introduce the basic idea of what the learning does and how the network sort of works underne underneath it. +however even though it is a neural network however, erm you can see it is a pack recognition technique and in fact it was first developed in nineteen fifty nine as the n tuple method er by some chap browning erm i think cos i've never heard of browning since that paper. +so what i want to do is to introduce the basic idea of what the learning does and how the network sort of works underne underneath it. and then show how you represent it as a neural network and the various flavours of it. straight off why it's more important or why it's important to tell you about it is because it's a very fast network. all the other networks we see, i think the networks we've seen not many of them are slow in learning. @@ -13213,7 +13199,7 @@ so what we've done is we've applied a simple learning rule which just says remem terribly trivial. and you wonder how it would ever be any good at anything. so that's what i hope to show you. -once you've trained it like that to test it on this pattern all you do is take the pack into the system and see whether you can +once you've trained it like that to test it on this pattern all you do is take the pack into the system and see whether you can these tuples again. so here we'd actually have a match of all three saying that we've recognized it to a level three. okay erm on that particular pattern. @@ -13233,7 +13219,7 @@ the important thing about the n tuple method is that you don't make any assumpti okay. which is one of the the strengths of course for that sort of thing. so what we're doing effectively is seeing how many features we recognize in our in our er example image. -generalization which we'll come to a lot later as well in a lot more depth er is very important in these systems. +generalization which we'll come to a lot later as well in a lot more depth er is very important in these systems. i may want to recognize this pattern as well as that pattern. but i may want to recognize that just as well as that. i e at the moment this pattern fed into these functions here gives us three matching functions. @@ -13245,15 +13231,15 @@ you can think about it and it's very useful to think about it as a as a distance it's a very complex distance measure compared to the ones we've looked at. but it is a distance measure. cos this whole function plus the summation of of how many terms match is a measure of how similar our unknown pattern is er to all our known ones that we've trained the system on. -but it's rather strange and er certainly not distance measure but it is a it is a measure. +but it's rather strange and er certainly not distance measure but it is a it is a measure. and of course the whole thing is very easy to compute. -really after the n tuple method was defined in nineteen fifty nine erm the next person who came along that did anything with it was igor alexander supervisor that's why i work on this area. +really after the n tuple method was defined in nineteen fifty nine erm the next person who came along that did anything with it was igor alexander supervisor that's why i work on this area. got a lot to blame to blame for i must admit. what he did he saw he saw the method and saw well this is quite neat. we can actually implement it very efficiently in hardware. we can made a very fast recognition system out of it. what we've got here is a very conventional piece of logic that implements what i've talked about. -we've got two tuples so i've given the example again we've got two tuples of two two one here and one here. +we've got two tuples so i've given the example again we've got two tuples of two two one here and one here. we'd have other ones as well but just to show this particular example just to keep it small i'll make it small. we then have binary decoders. and as you know binary decoders list all the possible states of the input erm conditions. @@ -13267,8 +13253,8 @@ the memory cells here of course recalled whether that term occurred during train so i present this pattern i push it through the decoders and i see that that line's maybe is active so i put a one in there to record the fact that that logic term er occurred. and similarly for this er decoder down here this section down here. so training is very easy to implement like that with a few memory cells and a binary decoder. -recall is similarly very simple you present the input pattern pushing through the decoders and instead of reading from these memory locations, sorry writing from these memory locations, you read from them okay. -so in this case you get this r would be activated and we access this location here which would be summed into summation to give us our response of well two maybe in this particular case. +recall is similarly very simple you present the input pattern pushing through the decoders and instead of reading from these memory locations, sorry writing from these memory locations, you read from them okay. +so in this case you get this r would be activated and we access this location here which would be summed into summation to give us our response of well two maybe in this particular case. and if it actually recognized it. okay so we can implement it like that in hardware but the major benefit and this was done sort of like sixties sort of sixty nine seventy was to realize that you could put it into a little package like that which of course is a random access memory. the tuple lines are the address inputs into your random access memory. @@ -13276,17 +13262,17 @@ the memory is just the memory the data input stores the one for the address loca and you've gotta rewrite signal to tell you whether it's gotta learn or to recognize the image. now here's an interesting story about this er. igor alexander who who as i say recognizes started to build these these little cells these things before random access memories came along. -he called them erm, what were they something it was. +he called them erm, what were they something it was. something strange like that. but the point was that random access memories never existed when he first did this. and he went to plessey and asked plessey if he could implement these little functions on micro circuits. i e sort of er the l s i type circuits. -and he got some packages made but unfortunately he didn't patent the idea because what he actually was made what he actually made was random access memories. +and he got some packages made but unfortunately he didn't patent the idea because what he actually was made what he actually made was random access memories. erm and had he had he patented it or i don't know about exactly the timing, he might have made himself an absolute fortune. not that he was interested particularly but er it's an interesting story. erm he did that when he was at erm er now where was it kent, university of kent. just the strange things that again you know it's it's having an idea and recognizing it that it would be useful. -it's something that er not always happens like in the back propagation learning and people who invented it didn't realize it was that that important and didn't advertise it. +it's something that er not always happens like in the back propagation learning and people who invented it didn't realize it was that that important and didn't advertise it. he invented the random access memory but er didn't tell anybody about it. never mind. okay so we can implement this sort of thing in er using random access memories. @@ -13309,12 +13295,12 @@ fact recognition method it's a piece of hardware and one of the things that's cl erm as a result they call them weightless networks which we actually hate because they're not weightless. if you actually represent them like i've just shown you. you can change the diagram very slightly and they look just like the normal neural network. -in fact it's very much like the higher order networks that i talked about in the last lecture er i think it was the last lecture but one, and the networks which pre-process the data before they're presented to the network by some higher function. +in fact it's very much like the higher order networks that i talked about in the last lecture er i think it was the last lecture but one, and the networks which pre-process the data before they're presented to the network by some higher function. what you have here is basically a single neuron with a of weights, the weights on the circles here are the binary elements in the random access memory. the weight you know the storage locations. the decoders here are just non-linear functions, they're just binary non-linear functions they happen to be but they're non-linear. now if we recognize it as that we immediately see that the method is, well why the method works in neural network terms. -if you remember a single network is a linear classifier and can't solve non-linearly sol soluble problems. +if you remember a single network is a linear classifier and can't solve non-linearly sol soluble problems. to get round that one of the approaches that i talked about was to pre-process the data. i e or formalize it in some way. force it through some some functions. @@ -13338,9 +13324,9 @@ so it's either setting or not setting the weights and in the n tuple rule all we so we present the pattern. we could test it to see if we get an output, we don't but we could do, there's no need because all we have to do in effect is just set the weights of the decoders that are actually coming out. but the decoders that are the decoder lines that are active. -sometimes that learning method is called the hebean learning rule erm because it's the sort of thing you find in animals erm donald a famous what was he a famous neurophysiologist. +sometimes that learning method is called the hebean learning rule erm because it's the sort of thing you find in animals erm donald a famous what was he a famous neurophysiologist. he came up with this how neurons actually did learn. -by the way neuron i haven't said that but the the learning rule is n is not biologically plausible. +by the way neuron i haven't said that but the the learning rule is n is not biologically plausible. and a lot of learning rules aren't biologically plausible. erm this happens to be as well. as an aside. @@ -13353,7 +13339,7 @@ testing for these sort of systems erm we had to decide which of these responses well as you see we can count the number of terms that actually match from our training sets. so this example here we might find that that matches that matches we get a response of two from here and we get a response less than the response from here and the same response from this. we have to make a decision on those responses just like in a normal network. -now we could just take the pattern of responses out of there as being some classes. +now we could just take the pattern of responses out of there as being some classes. you can do what you like really. erm but the easiest one is obviously to take the maximum responding output from here as er an indication of which class is belongs to. okay so that's er a very straightforward sort of thing. @@ -13406,7 +13392,7 @@ so we take our input pattern and we produce a vector here called t which we then we've got a weight array which is the normal sort of thing we'd have. training is a simple p simple algorithm this is how you would actually implement it properly. i mean it introduces a an interesting thing. -what we'd effectively do which code, what effectively do of course is we we trundle down here checking to see if any of these are set to one and if they are set to one we set a weight in memory. +what we'd effectively do which code, what effectively do of course is we we trundle down here checking to see if any of these are set to one and if they are set to one we set a weight in memory. now if you're gonna be writing in software you don't actually look at it like that maybe and it is also a useful way to generalize these decoders. what these decoders actually do is take the input and assign one of four particular states. where a state is whatever the particular sub-pattern is on here. @@ -13475,8 +13461,7 @@ but there is a straight line in there somewhere. but we do this pre-processing. now the pre-processing makes the patterns makes the thing linearly soluble. so if we add an example using the n tuple technique of the exclusive or problem for example er like that we want to see how the network would solve that okay in terms of a single layer network. - -and like you just do ordinary skipping and you jump in the middle and it's h p w r. +and like you just do ordinary skipping and you jump in the middle and it's h p w r. then h p w r and if it lands on p you have to go really fast. the first person has to start skipping in the middle and everybody says h p w r and if it landed on p the next person would have to skip fast. and what if it lands on any of the others? @@ -13487,7 +13472,7 @@ what's hot chocolate? well somebody sa and they stand facing the wall and they shut their eyes and there're people at the end and they have to try and get to the other side without the other person seeing them. and them erm when everybody's been caught by the person who's at the person sat saying things like hot bananas hot milk and then when they say hot chocolate the you've got to run back. and they've got to try and catch nobody. -and if nobody's caught the person who was it is it again. +and if nobody's caught the person who was it is it again. and we do tinker taylor. how much money they're gonna have and how much presents you're gonna get at the wedding and how many guests you're gonna get. and when the wedding's gonna be and what you're gonna wear and what you're going to go there in and how many children you're gonna have and how many years you're gonna be married. @@ -13496,10 +13481,10 @@ like the children i think it's something like two four six eight two four six ei and what about where you're gonna live? big house little house pigsty barn. there isn't very many soldiers that grew up at this school any more. -we went a trip and there was two lasses and the class heather and and they were playing soldiers on the way back. +we went a trip and there was two lasses and the class heather and and they were playing soldiers on the way back. well it was like the two soldiers and the one person just holds it the other person just tried and knock the head off. we do that at me granny's cos there's lots of soldiers there. -soldiers was a game played with grass where each was armed with a stem and little head of the plant and by heading one's opponent soldier try to knock off his head. +soldiers was a game played with grass where each was armed with a stem and little head of the plant and by heading one's opponent soldier try to knock off his head. there were two kinds of soldiers. the brown headed ones were tough and could stand any amount of thrashing and the head would hang on quite a while by a mere thread. sometimes when it got worn like that it would twine round the other soldier so that his head could be pulled off. @@ -13511,7 +13496,7 @@ wood stands though there by. or another where the leader chanted, as i went through a chinese town i met a chinese lady. players then asked, what colour was she dressed in? whereupon the leader decided on a colour for example brown. -the countdown went on then,b r o w n spells brown and o u t spells out. +the countdown went on then,b r o w n spells brown and o u t spells out. till the one we called the donor was selected. the stems of mare's tails with their jointed stalks were disjointed to provide a little guessing game as to which joint was the broken one. the bulky leaves of ribwort planting were pulled apart to reveal the green leaf stalks. @@ -13521,13 +13506,12 @@ the tinker taylor soldier game was played by plucking the parts from rye grass s further lines we had were as to where future homes would be chanting, a big house a biggie house a pigsty a barn. or with regard to the wedding plays, silk satin cotton rags or even if the offspring would be boy lass twins triplets or what these babies were to be rocked in. a cradle a ladle a pot supply your own adjective or a pen. - is that nice? yeah i didn't realize how long ago it was till i'd eaten that. but i forgot i had me t-shirt on. -no i mean i opened but i forgot i had to switch it on. +no i mean i opened but i forgot i had to switch it on. i thought that would work. -erm jill can i see please. +erm jill can i see please. no . philip. that was nice that was. @@ -13558,7 +13542,7 @@ aye that was a nightmare, i thought . it was because you belched and the house didn't like you. that's what i think of the house. rachel we've got to be nice to it . -we didn't wait for very long in the did we? +we didn't wait for very long in the did we? when you phone your order and they say twenty past they really mean twenty past don't they. i mean we arrived at quarter past and she said, oh you're a bit early. mm. @@ -13573,7 +13557,7 @@ yeah blimey,. what have you got there jill? ooh i fancy that, shall i nip round there and get some? -that was do you want any? +that was do you want any? oh no i just wanted to know if you wanted any that was all. you would not you would not believe what i ate this afternoon sorry? @@ -13584,7 +13568,7 @@ that's not that oh yeah. it is. and it's about that deep. and i make that on thursdays, nice big lasagna. -and i ate it all by myself all in one go. +and i ate it all by myself all in one go. that's . yeah. yeah it's so annoying innit. @@ -13600,7 +13584,7 @@ i'm gonna take it to be . what are you taping? testing one two three. oh lee. -never mind 's dictionary. +never mind 's dictionary. put that in your dictionary. under b for belch. shit, i'm expecting a letter. @@ -13619,7 +13603,7 @@ going back to wedding bells after it.. wheyey. we should go on that? why? -why +why yeah but you wouldn't get chosen. yeah we would. you'd set it up and like they'd choose someone else or something. @@ -13661,12 +13645,12 @@ oh i didn't have a whole one, i bought a half one. if i'd bought. no there was half. yes there's a half one in the bag and there was a little bit left . -oh i'm not saying you nicked it i'm i'm i'm thought i bought one. +oh i'm not saying you nicked it i'm i'm i'm thought i bought one. so i might have seen yours no i . and thought that i'd bought it. you know what i mean, when going through the shopping bit. -no i'll see how i'm feeling the thing is i do want to go to enjoy it. +no i'll see how i'm feeling the thing is i do want to go to enjoy it. when's that, in the afternoon? yeah. go in the afternoon then. @@ -13685,7 +13669,7 @@ loads of different conversations. here everybody's gonna have the same transcript though aren't they, they're all gonna have conversations at home, they're all gonna have lecture conversations. that's a good idea. is louise alright now? -the things is though, i was saying, are you sure, i mean you don't know what c contacts made so you don't know how tall she was. +the things is though, i was saying, are you sure, i mean you don't know what c contacts made so you don't know how tall she was. you don't know how tall john was when he you know. and he's really pissed off. john who? @@ -13693,7 +13677,7 @@ john . you know, the one who broke his leg. well doesn't sarah remember . sarah wasn't listening, she was the one she was with another guy . -sarah was talking to john she knew that louise was staying at dave's and he said, yeah yeah i will do. +sarah was talking to john she knew that louise was staying at dave's and he said, yeah yeah i will do. and then she might have been drinking. yeah but @@ -13701,8 +13685,8 @@ is a odd girl. i'm just saying that . mm. perhaps it would be better if . -well she's because like we'd just like to -cos she's gonna spend most of her time with dave and the people living with +well she's because like we'd just like to +cos she's gonna spend most of her time with dave and the people living with won't she live with dave? it's so annoying. why doesn't she wanna live with dave? @@ -13733,7 +13717,7 @@ yes please. erm the first two or three weeks . did they? -yes they were saying like . +yes they were saying like . and what was that about cathy and angie don't get one with? yeah, corrinne. corrinne? @@ -13748,10 +13732,10 @@ sally, susannah, corrinne smoke hash . is susannah the one with dark hair? yeah. yeah. -oh cos she's the angie's friends isn't she? +oh cos she's the angie's friends isn't she? and cathy and angie just don't get on with them or something. they just sit up in their rooms and smoke hash and never speak to each other. -but but apparently and susannah are extremely tight with their money and it's like you know, +but but apparently and susannah are extremely tight with their money and it's like you know, she was fussy to begin with wasn't she? and she gave up her telly for the lounge. but she was offered it and like i said she . @@ -13760,10 +13744,10 @@ cos every time they use it, she reminds them that it's her telly and that she er picky about people . . who does marion live with? -er erm lucy and sarah. +er erm lucy and sarah. . lucy's the one . -oh the one gave you a lift home? +oh the one gave you a lift home? yeah and sarah's the one with blonde hair . oh god she isn't half yeah yeah she would. @@ -13774,21 +13758,21 @@ who else is there . you live with three people. compared to what? you don't have to. -i here about nine. -so did nicole after that? +i here about nine. +so did nicole after that? i went in the shower. after you let nicole in? yeah. oh right cos i -they always don't they. -i just thought she was she's got a cold and shelly was very quiet, didn't say a word. +they always don't they. +i just thought she was she's got a cold and shelly was very quiet, didn't say a word. not exactly talkative. i don't know who she is. she's got blonde hair and sh oh i know who she is. she's quite stylish for her age . who is that, do i know her? -she was the one who used to she was the one who used to s sell pullovers +she was the one who used to she was the one who used to s sell pullovers he can talk a lot it it really made me furious . so she was a bit annoyed about him and she sort of can you be quiet please, you know and . @@ -13796,15 +13780,15 @@ who was he talking to? steve . no . he dropped his donger on his -and then he was singing frere jaques right and i didn't know the words to it so i just sorry i can't remember the words and he goes . +and then he was singing frere jaques right and i didn't know the words to it so i just sorry i can't remember the words and he goes . ding dong dong or whatever it's called and that is . so she went yeah. and she sort of we went through it a couple of time and then she said,i didn't say it, and neither did jeff so i don't know where she got it from. because we used to sing at school,school dinners, school dinner, concrete chips, concrete chips, soggy semolina, soggy semolina, i feel sick, toilet quick, it's too late, i've done it on my plate . -and i never knew there was actually a proper song to it, i thought it was one we'd made up junior school. +and i never knew there was actually a proper song to it, i thought it was one we'd made up junior school. so she was saying, if -he was like was trying to speak and he kept sort of saying, pardon, pardon like this, he's done it to me when i was trying to speak. +he was like was trying to speak and he kept sort of saying, pardon, pardon like this, he's done it to me when i was trying to speak. come on eileen did you? grey skirt and grey jumper. @@ -13818,8 +13802,8 @@ h n d or something. you could never imagine eileen or catherine getting frustrated like that though can you. catherine's sister down there flirting in her and reading vogue. -it was something like laura ashley yeah. -i'm surprised she didn't get i know it's a horrible thing to say but +it was something like laura ashley yeah. +i'm surprised she didn't get i know it's a horrible thing to say but mm. do you suppose they cater for such a range of sizes laura ashley will do. @@ -13830,9 +13814,9 @@ because she took it in, she's got rid of the mark. . i can't remember what she wore now. it was green wasn't it ? -no it was a black t black top long sleeves and like a v neck . +no it was a black t black top long sleeves and like a v neck . i can't remember. -i can imagine it being a sixteen cos you know there was a lot of it and then it was just . +i can imagine it being a sixteen cos you know there was a lot of it and then it was just . mine was had no sleeves or anything . why you looked gorgeous. oh it was horrible. @@ -13847,15 +13831,15 @@ i used to love knitting until i used to make loads of mistakes . i was gonna crochet a table mat she's doing a striptease. denies having any girlfriends or anything. -he says, only one girlfriend i've ever had netball queen and how many other people has he snogged . -lisa found out about that erm mark was going to . -and then he was supposed to meet her there he he went there and she wasn't there and then he went to the red lion and she was -and erm she was like with him and she said and she said something like, oh i'm going . -but she said mark said that she was flirting . +he says, only one girlfriend i've ever had netball queen and how many other people has he snogged . +lisa found out about that erm mark was going to . +and then he was supposed to meet her there he he went there and she wasn't there and then he went to the red lion and she was +and erm she was like with him and she said and she said something like, oh i'm going . +but she said mark said that she was flirting . when did you see mark? wednesday night. -because she paid so much for it, over fifteen pounds right, because she paid so much for it because they're usually fifteen pounds each and so two would cost you thirty pounds and because those were so expensive . -so that girl must have paid er twenty pounds for hers. +because she paid so much for it, over fifteen pounds right, because she paid so much for it because they're usually fifteen pounds each and so two would cost you thirty pounds and because those were so expensive . +so that girl must have paid er twenty pounds for hers. she had her dress was slit all the way up. you could see everything. knickers on cos you like see the line. @@ -13888,8 +13872,8 @@ he was stood in front of me in the sandwich queue the other day and . so what does the purl do cos this is different here isn't it. why has it got lines in it like bumps like that? that's what it is because purl is . -but why is only lines like that? -because i've done two two and then knit two and then you +but why is only lines like that? +because i've done two two and then knit two and then you . oh right. yeah it's like it's not very good to do it with that because you can't @@ -13901,26 +13885,26 @@ mhm. right . you see that stitch there? yeah. -you that that was the other purl stitch because erm you put your needle +you that that was the other purl stitch because erm you put your needle in front then you just do like the stitch, same stitch but backwards. oh. like that and then you just take it off . oh right. then erm you just so you have to make sure you keep . -can i put on? +can i put on? be quite. your voice is so annoying.. you seemed a bit distracted last night . me? mm. oh of course she's home. -i don't understand what's going on prime minister. -is norman lamont going has he been sacked. +i don't understand what's going on prime minister. +is norman lamont going has he been sacked. yes. and is he the new he was the ex-ch he's the ex-chancellor. -yeah but didn't he say that he was gonna try and tory party. -i don't think he would because he's done in the past. +yeah but didn't he say that he was gonna try and tory party. +i don't think he would because he's done in the past. oh steve mcqueen. look look who it is. hang on is this the one with sylvester stallone in? @@ -13977,9 +13961,8 @@ rachel, i'm sorry i'm leaving this here, i'll tidy it up. who else is in it? charles bronson,, donald pleasance, richard attenborough, james garner, james coburn, david mccallum. loads of people, it's absolutely brilliant. - if you go round the other side please ann. -yes i did call you dominic didn't i? +yes i did call you dominic didn't i? no i mean you there. mustn't leave it there too long. @@ -13987,11 +13970,11 @@ do you? your marvellous cyclamen! you don't leave there do you, all time? ooh no! -er indeed we've we hardly use that room since we had the territory room because that would grow +er indeed we've we hardly use that room since we had the territory room because that would grow oh that's right . so well! mm. -and you see it's +and you see it's i should take it out now. i feel very ill! i will. @@ -14003,17 +13986,17 @@ it's so useful and we've seen it and enjoy it. i think i'll use it . is so very warm for it it's lovely, mm! -there but +there but it's simply glorious! hasn't it done wonderfully! -you ought to in that glorious bowl! +you ought to in that glorious bowl! last ooh, no look who's here! yes, i know. if you put them in a hot room they don't do so well. put it in there. i wonder what it would it look like in there? -ooh yes, it would, it would perhaps i mean +ooh yes, it would, it would perhaps i mean exaggerate. mm. oh yes, i wouldn't dare ! @@ -14022,7 +14005,7 @@ yes i know. mm. yeah. this wine is a shot in the dark. -it was very much recommended by the wine society an italian wine and i hope that +it was very much recommended by the wine society an italian wine and i hope that i hope it's not full of this thing they're sending it all back for! ooh i hope not no! we won't try it ! @@ -14032,37 +14015,37 @@ there are limits to what i'd dare and this isn't a cheap wine! no, well i can just imagine he's probably hanging down ! -it was a cheap wine that i thought +it was a cheap wine that i thought was it in ? that yes. -er . +er . he'll come to that club. one of his fathers, yes. -girls, can i please persuade you not to touch the dish, whatever else if you need slide it then use , you see that +girls, can i please persuade you not to touch the dish, whatever else if you need slide it then use , you see that mhm, yeah. -sort of thing or right! +sort of thing or right! doing it tidily is always the thing isn't it? yeah. -well that's the thing i have i had to give up years ago. +well that's the thing i have i had to give up years ago. mm. what, trying to do everything tidily? tidily! cos i can't quite no, that's nice. i know, that's the problem. -mollie erm please don't touch that dish will you that's, er chipped potatoes in there and oh let me see what that is, can't you? -that's gravy carrots and peas. -you've had a problem with damp mollie noel tells me? -well it isn't erm specifically in the erm cupboards it's just erm because i'm now coping with who has acted like a erm shoemaker shoemaker's son do all your job i am coping with what he did thirty odd years ago +mollie erm please don't touch that dish will you that's, er chipped potatoes in there and oh let me see what that is, can't you? +that's gravy carrots and peas. +you've had a problem with damp mollie noel tells me? +well it isn't erm specifically in the erm cupboards it's just erm because i'm now coping with who has acted like a erm shoemaker shoemaker's son do all your job i am coping with what he did thirty odd years ago oh! -and it's all gone bad! -i mean the erm i still had to have completely new guttering in the summer because you cannot get anything to mend the other walls because it's the wrong side! -and the only bit of damp i've got is in one corner of the house but it came from a blocked erm pipe. +and it's all gone bad! +i mean the erm i still had to have completely new guttering in the summer because you cannot get anything to mend the other walls because it's the wrong side! +and the only bit of damp i've got is in one corner of the house but it came from a blocked erm pipe. oh i see! a blocked pipe. oh that's awful! -no, no not a blocked one but i mean let's face it -it's alright now, carry on being all er carry on now and +no, no not a blocked one but i mean let's face it +it's alright now, carry on being all er carry on now and mm. tha , you know we can have a run of erm yes. @@ -14071,30 +14054,30 @@ yes. and then you have a join yes. yes. -well on that join i suddenly saw water rushing down the wall! -you see that's a that's a comparable thing to what happened in ours and that was +well on that join i suddenly saw water rushing down the wall! +you see that's a that's a comparable thing to what happened in ours and that was erm, i'll do i'll do that cos, go on. erm, -assistant at any rate made water tip straight o out of the and down the wall you could never -into the , into the cabinet and the old wooden structure! +assistant at any rate made water tip straight o out of the and down the wall you could never +into the , into the cabinet and the old wooden structure! well yes. mm. it was! -i had to clear it all off though the the original, what they sort of call, what the dog there +i had to clear it all off though the the original, what they sort of call, what the dog there oh really,! well they had to come out to -i think that maybe you should have done much more actually, but i i haven't argued because he's so . -it's no good him taking the bridge down out now, because he can't put the wall can't really re-brick there now much too wet! +i think that maybe you should have done much more actually, but i i haven't argued because he's so . +it's no good him taking the bridge down out now, because he can't put the wall can't really re-brick there now much too wet! that's right. oh yes! can you manage love? yes, thank you dear. so that i'm suffering. the major thing i find so -but i , my personal suffering was erm in the summer, frightfully! -and you see, you know the ball over the gutters +but i , my personal suffering was erm in the summer, frightfully! +and you see, you know the ball over the gutters yes. -well said it doesn't look as if it's been painted once since it was built! +well said it doesn't look as if it's been painted once since it was built! oh! and that's all yep. @@ -14114,12 +14097,12 @@ i always had hopes of you! have some more mollie. huge hunks of bread, i had a huge hunk of bread at tea time. go ahead. -ah, you should never eat +ah, you should never eat up to supper. that's right. -i just don't like +i just don't like not really as though you'd know it! -potatoes, i don't like +potatoes, i don't like have a try. oh come on! we've only got three bits there. @@ -14147,9 +14130,9 @@ they often do that don't they, you get a little funny prickle. what, with the wine? yes. mm. -i know, i i was given +i know, i i was given that's right! -because it was well written up in the wine society i would descr describe it as nice, nice but innocuous. +because it was well written up in the wine society i would descr describe it as nice, nice but innocuous. yes it's alright, it's nice but what darling? nice but innocuous, i mean that's @@ -14171,16 +14154,16 @@ well i mean spumante and all, the lot of those mm. italian wines they're -now it's reminiscent a that that can't be my deja vu who, cos i don't think you can in tastes but it's reminiscent of something to me. +now it's reminiscent a that that can't be my deja vu who, cos i don't think you can in tastes but it's reminiscent of something to me. oh is it really? but i don't know what. ha. what? -well maybe white wines are er spritzy aren't they? +well maybe white wines are er spritzy aren't they? oh yes, and this isn't i think. not meant to be . -it often gets a little a little secondary fermentation in the bottles. +it often gets a little a little secondary fermentation in the bottles. yes,i i it looks that's right. mm. @@ -14198,12 +14181,12 @@ they'd already been i agree. ya. that is very strange! -it sort of erm in italian wine once or twice but when i ordered this i took the care to order up +it sort of erm in italian wine once or twice but when i ordered this i took the care to order up mm. in the price range somewhat. mm. yes it's true. -actually you're not fond enough of white wine are you to +actually you're not fond enough of white wine are you to no. no, i'm not either i think no, no i'm not all that. @@ -14223,15 +14206,15 @@ mm mm. not really. david and i have searched high and low for it i don't see why not. -but no but it doesn't quite +but no but it doesn't quite i don't see why not. it doesn't erm not with fish in cream. -oh does it improve the the wine at all +oh does it improve the the wine at all no. . yeah. -i think fish in cream sauce is a very nice is one that doesn't need a +i think fish in cream sauce is a very nice is one that doesn't need a what kind of fish is this? it's very good. it's halibut. @@ -14240,27 +14223,27 @@ mm. by jes yes, it's very nice! i'm glad i asked -but i'm glad i asked cos i couldn't quite work out +but i'm glad i asked cos i couldn't quite work out no? what it was. well if i tell you a little secret about this. mm. -it's up at the fish shop in framlingham +it's up at the fish shop in framlingham mhm. mhm. and it now cheaper than coley! -but sometimes +but sometimes so happen don't they? coley is two ninety five a pound. -mm mm. +mm mm. and halibut fillet is two sixty. really? really? well cod, cod was stuff we used to moan when we children. yes. incredible! -and it was the cheaper fish than, cheapest +and it was the cheaper fish than, cheapest yes. fish. well yes, mm. @@ -14268,7 +14251,7 @@ i mean it was a common fish wasn't it? mm. mm. really delicious! -they're trying to put us off in because of the +they're trying to put us off in because of the mm. over fishing there's been. mm. @@ -14280,7 +14263,7 @@ my mother used to do a much nicer. a great big piece of hake mm. -and with as if it was chicken with erm parsley thyme stuffing +and with as if it was chicken with erm parsley thyme stuffing oh yes. a little bit of bacon mm mm! @@ -14291,7 +14274,7 @@ yes. mm mm! mm. -oh yes, i remember grandfather who was very knowledgeable about fish we used to say that +oh yes, i remember grandfather who was very knowledgeable about fish we used to say that hake was the scavenger of the seas! mm. is that hake? @@ -14327,11 +14310,11 @@ oh yes they are. are they? they're mm. -the ones that shine in the dark when you're +the ones that shine in the dark when you're mm mm. -coming home rather failing +coming home rather failing that's right. -and you that's right, you've got to run and ask them. +and you that's right, you've got to run and ask them. and i've seen you do it in a lot of them. i don't know whether it was oh yes! @@ -14348,45 +14331,45 @@ look what i've done! oh bother! oh look what i've done. i've never known it as that. -no, wasn't it a marvellous day today! +no, wasn't it a marvellous day today! weather was absolutely incredible! -you know tha that his lordship er cut the grou , the field. +you know tha that his lordship er cut the grou , the field. really? yes! the field. -i wish would cut mine! +i wish would cut mine! ne ne near the mm. in the holiday, aren't there holidays? why not, i've seen the i thought it was a bit early yet, there's a frost isn't it now? -there's morning , i'm -no i mean that erm if you cut the grass just before frost it doesn't like it does it? -oh but then, this is only +there's morning , i'm +no i mean that erm if you cut the grass just before frost it doesn't like it does it? +oh but then, this is only but when, that's right. you shouldn't cut that though, but er i think a lawn, not, no. no but she was sayi that's right. -now really but erm this year's been so peculiar that +now really but erm this year's been so peculiar that mm. people are going to want to cut it. mm. their only choice. -well i mean the normally it would kill the grass, but it won't matter this year. +well i mean the normally it would kill the grass, but it won't matter this year. mm. i wonder if we'll get any snow? no, no, no. no. -john the butcher at erm butcher this morning and i said never say it's gonna snow, i said, it won't snow will it john? +john the butcher at erm butcher this morning and i said never say it's gonna snow, i said, it won't snow will it john? he said well you've been right since christmas and if you say it's not going to snow, it's not going to snow! mm. mm mm. mm. this what about the birds? -and i walked up the village this morning the birds were singing their songs +and i walked up the village this morning the birds were singing their songs mm. that they sing and the reels were i just think we've @@ -14397,26 +14380,26 @@ i know! well we a an shan't, we shan't -and +and have a flood. -anne is terribly on my side, she, still hasn't rained every time i see her! +anne is terribly on my side, she, still hasn't rained every time i see her! oh! -i think, she said if you dig down a way it's dry +i think, she said if you dig down a way it's dry mm. from nineteen eighty mm. nine still! mm. -i wonder whether that's what er, i wonder i you see it looks damp on the top doesn't it? +i wonder whether that's what er, i wonder i you see it looks damp on the top doesn't it? mm, very slightly, really but but if you dig down about six inches, it's dry! mm. -so they they -gone and what they call the head at least four times lately. +so they they +gone and what they call the head at least four times lately. mm. -just walking in the garden i was +just walking in the garden i was very slightly isn't it? very slightly. mm. @@ -14425,8 +14408,8 @@ though. mm. terribly frightening! mm, mm. -it just would be so awful to move our lovely trees cos they're all so, so dependent, that's it! -that's the the trees. +it just would be so awful to move our lovely trees cos they're all so, so dependent, that's it! +that's the the trees. that's all i worry about. yes! it's no good worrying about it, i do know that! @@ -14434,7 +14417,7 @@ mhm. it is but worrying though. -well no, i've met pe also lady +well no, i've met pe also lady mm mm. and she said david said he saw a few snow flakes. well i said if i see three snow flakes we're off to tenerife! @@ -14448,7 +14431,7 @@ very, a little powdery and and it didn't stay. we were on the way back from visiting mm. -er richard, you know, and i +er richard, you know, and i mm. and i said, that's snow! mm. @@ -14469,10 +14452,10 @@ heron took the lot! oh no! oh god! oh! -and we were having lunch, a late lunch on what day did i say? -on sunday cos they were going soon and erm james was clearing up the garden you see i've go , i can't i i can see gable +and we were having lunch, a late lunch on what day did i say? +on sunday cos they were going soon and erm james was clearing up the garden you see i've go , i can't i i can see gable yes. -and the gables over on erm the lodge and i can't see +and the gables over on erm the lodge and i can't see past. yes, are they a bit nearer? i mean i it all looks the same @@ -14488,10 +14471,10 @@ yeah. oh and we all rushed out and said, shoo! and it flew o , flew away. mm. -and then ted and i went out a little bit later and we sa , we found two goldfish and two golden +and then ted and i went out a little bit later and we sa , we found two goldfish and two golden they damage them don't they? oh,! -so they haven't got a or they +so they haven't got a or they no, they bite so, oh do they? no they , they swallow them. yeah. @@ -14511,34 +14494,34 @@ that's terrible! got a carp too. oh yeah! terrible! -if perhaps you were to spread erm a wire netting over the pond mollie? +if perhaps you were to spread erm a wire netting over the pond mollie? well yes i know, but i'm not having that! -but erm what i am going to do but i can't do it until the spring erm at least until erm has cut the grass for the first time +but erm what i am going to do but i can't do it until the spring erm at least until erm has cut the grass for the first time mm. erm, out there. then i'm going to do what is the proper thing to do which is chop that to size with the same as that , yes! yes, oh yes that -that and farm and +that and farm and yes. this black so many creatures black stuff yep! -so they could be thrown over oh this behaviour, no, they're so inflexible with their programme! -three feet from the wall from your +so they could be thrown over oh this behaviour, no, they're so inflexible with their programme! +three feet from the wall from your you see, and they get their i see! feet tangled yeah. -but i can't, it's no good doing it now because you see erm dogs can get in at present and +but i can't, it's no good doing it now because you see erm dogs can get in at present and yes. and rushing about and you needn't do anything horrid to them, terrible! i mean,you can just er oh no! -a wire cage +a wire cage they, no just go away. i mean i've seen it them. @@ -14547,7 +14530,7 @@ no. they're incapable no. that's right. -because of the erm it's not wire, it's +because of the erm it's not wire, it's no. just a a thread, you oh! @@ -14555,10 +14538,10 @@ see? and they get a bit mm. mm mm. -my father always used to do that for his crocuses because the birds loved the yellow ones, don't they? +my father always used to do that for his crocuses because the birds loved the yellow ones, don't they? mm. mm. -and his daffs, he was going to use his, lose his yellow crocuses of the year so he spread black cotton +and his daffs, he was going to use his, lose his yellow crocuses of the year so he spread black cotton oh yes mm. mm. and they jolly well learned @@ -14569,29 +14552,29 @@ that it mollie. was there! mm. -so we had to get used to the ending up in +so we had to get used to the ending up in mm. black cotton against the sparrows i used to get really fed up with it! poor little things! and i thought i'd got i understand now what it was. -knowing erm why all the purple cro crocuses good cook and i thought i've got no +knowing erm why all the purple cro crocuses good cook and i thought i've got no and at nights i used to feel like and i had got cos they've come now haven't they? ah yes, that's and i -right +right i told you! -all i've got all morning, +all i've got all morning, mm. -and i've got clumps of of snowdrops where i'd and some where i didn't know even know i had snowdrops and +and i've got clumps of of snowdrops where i'd and some where i didn't know even know i had snowdrops and mm. -now i have found those lovely little erm wild purple crocuses +now i have found those lovely little erm wild purple crocuses mm. i couldn't good! -think what their was? +think what their was? right in the middle of a plot needless mhm. and they're all coming out! @@ -14618,7 +14601,7 @@ mm. well i've got millions! well i have we? -i must ring erm r eddy and ask him if you get them ? +i must ring erm r eddy and ask him if you get them ? i don't know whether you can get them wi weather like this. oh! why do you say there are more noel? @@ -14632,27 +14615,27 @@ oh! even in the back now. that is the . mm. -they come from a bank and a ditch always. +they come from a bank and a ditch always. well you've certainly got them. -well i've never get it before now right? -now who is eddy ? -well mrs 's son. +well i've never get it before now right? +now who is eddy ? +well mrs 's son. oh! -and erm, when i said to them because he's sharp so she says. +and erm, when i said to them because he's sharp so she says. my . well he's wonderful! -and the wo mind you, he's much too heavy for me but of course, well my father was and they're arm things but i must get some fresh. -and, i said well i don't know what i'm going to do without jack because he was so wonderful with my moles last year he said you haven't had me yet! +and the wo mind you, he's much too heavy for me but of course, well my father was and they're arm things but i must get some fresh. +and, i said well i don't know what i'm going to do without jack because he was so wonderful with my moles last year he said you haven't had me yet! oh! no erm, so i thought well brilliant. if he thinks he's as good as that then have him. -trouble is, if you remove moles you just leave an evolutionary niche for them and they're another lot move into the field, you can never get rid of them because if you remove your own private moles another +trouble is, if you remove moles you just leave an evolutionary niche for them and they're another lot move into the field, you can never get rid of them because if you remove your own private moles another mm. lot come in, you see. mm. oh how lovely! -but do you mean that they wouldn't try and +but do you mean that they wouldn't try and oh they're really lovely! visit if you had your own moles? well no, but they won't over-densify, they wo won't make the population too dense, you see. @@ -14681,16 +14664,16 @@ no, i'm doing fine thank you darling. but please encourage other people to have some. well i'm sorry i've been trying to. -i have here. +i have here. ha have some more veg. no,eat this one. and a little bit more. no it i'm fine thank you noel. -i hope you're never looking at me but i have to dinner. +i hope you're never looking at me but i have to dinner. why not! -i put my life down to fish and -mollie , you know that my i dislocated my jaw in november mm. +i put my life down to fish and +mollie , you know that my i dislocated my jaw in november mm. mm? how? just eating a sandwich! @@ -14698,10 +14681,10 @@ how could you? cheese sandwich. i don't know! mm. -and it clicked and i, well occasionally before and very occasionally and i -might have -i just the slightest sort of movement has readjusted it and this would not move at all! -and erm i'm shovelling food now because it's so difficult! +and it clicked and i, well occasionally before and very occasionally and i +might have +i just the slightest sort of movement has readjusted it and this would not move at all! +and erm i'm shovelling food now because it's so difficult! i still can't get it any wider . really? mm. @@ -14710,7 +14693,7 @@ mm. drop more wine mollie? no thank you, i'm alright. . -by the way those did i tell you they put me on some tablets to re to erm to erm +by the way those did i tell you they put me on some tablets to re to erm to erm no. relax the muscles, really? @@ -14721,8 +14704,8 @@ well that's nice! don't flap about anything! well er no quarrels. -erm, somebody tells me that sarah is erm doing very well but has had a foul cold ever since she's been over there, is she very well now? -yes, she went with a yes she has. +erm, somebody tells me that sarah is erm doing very well but has had a foul cold ever since she's been over there, is she very well now? +yes, she went with a yes she has. mm. i phoned her on the fourth night to say goodnight to her that was all. spoken to her in the meantime @@ -14741,27 +14724,27 @@ mm. mm. she can be just . i reckon she wants to -oh it's a lovely little lane i've i've always loved that lane. +oh it's a lovely little lane i've i've always loved that lane. i know you think i'm have you ? have you? yes. -and lives on there. -well i've known derek since i was six weeks old. -i was taken there for the first time when i was six weeks old in a motor side car down from london to just within ten miles of bury st edmunds. +and lives on there. +well i've known derek since i was six weeks old. +i was taken there for the first time when i was six weeks old in a motor side car down from london to just within ten miles of bury st edmunds. why i didn't die i don't know! we well, a motor side car! yes, absolutely! -i'm astonished +i'm astonished erm because my grandmother wanted to see her first grandchild before she died. oh yeah. and she died about two months later. at six weeks, -you see i connie. +you see i connie. really? -and connie, connie's six weeks younger than i and grandma never saw her. +and connie, connie's six weeks younger than i and grandma never saw her. oh well she did -but she had a grandson before that, she had a grandson who was born in eighteen ninety three and his name was on . +but she had a grandson before that, she had a grandson who was born in eighteen ninety three and his name was on . i don't even oh really? think that in those days anybody would have considered taking a child out like that, you know! @@ -14770,48 +14753,48 @@ that's right. it drives me in a car me up the wall! -erm the things they will do for these new little things. +erm the things they will do for these new little things. i never used to feel i know. that mine were really here until they . did it have a lasting effect on you mollie? well, you can be the judge of that! no,got it i think, yes! -but then +but then you don't like motorbikes and side cars do you mollie? it's amazing really! no. -well i used to ride a motorbike a and my father had a triumph motorbike because he bought i don't why he, why he bought it and he was terrified of it cos it was very fierce! -and my brothers used to ride it, so i used to ride it and i rode it for miles! +well i used to ride a motorbike a and my father had a triumph motorbike because he bought i don't why he, why he bought it and he was terrified of it cos it was very fierce! +and my brothers used to ride it, so i used to ride it and i rode it for miles! did you? -then i rode it in a in an old burberry and i don't how i started it, i think it was kick start. +then i rode it in a in an old burberry and i don't how i started it, i think it was kick start. mm, yes. oh it must have been. -and then we were at frinton, masses of us, and we always used to go to frinton in the summer because one of my uncles had a house there and we knew the people who erm dad used to play golf and mother used to knit on the beach, you know. +and then we were at frinton, masses of us, and we always used to go to frinton in the summer because one of my uncles had a house there and we knew the people who erm dad used to play golf and mother used to knit on the beach, you know. oh yes. mm mm. -and we used to th masses of cousins there and erm one one of my jean, my cousin about ten months younger than i said, can i have a go mollie? -and i said, yes you see, gave her a try and so she went if you know frinton you could go, in those days +and we used to th masses of cousins there and erm one one of my jean, my cousin about ten months younger than i said, can i have a go mollie? +and i said, yes you see, gave her a try and so she went if you know frinton you could go, in those days yes i know it. -you could go round, well it's the same now, but in those days you could go round, past the summer theatre and down old road where we were staying and on to a and do a circle you see? +you could go round, well it's the same now, but in those days you could go round, past the summer theatre and down old road where we were staying and on to a and do a circle you see? mm. -and we started her off and she went round and as she went past the second time she said i can't stop! +and we started her off and she went round and as she went past the second time she said i can't stop! oh! oh! oh! oh no! -and then she went round again and we said well push so and so +and then she went round again and we said well push so and so oh my! how awful! and nobody had told her how to stop you know. i can remember not being able to get off my sister's much bigger push bike, just an ordinary push bike oh yes! -and i pedalled frantically round, didn't know how to get off again cos it was much too high. +and i pedalled frantically round, didn't know how to get off again cos it was much too high. and i remember just sort of leaping onto some grass and just letting it go, you know, could of been . oh i remember them emphatically oh yes! now,. yes, -i know, i probably learn you see because i borrowed -when i was about twelve and i remember bashing into a nanny with a pram. +i know, i probably learn you see because i borrowed +when i was about twelve and i remember bashing into a nanny with a pram. oh, she was furious oh dear! with me! @@ -14819,16 +14802,16 @@ i bet she was. i bet she was. cos of nowadays, well they didn't then because she was beastly to me now! oh ! -now this is where the meal gets a little bit french because i have sauce to deal with. +now this is where the meal gets a little bit french because i have sauce to deal with. so you are left with erm conversation i'm going to top your glass up with a no thank you darling. no. -i had an experience with a bike when i was very small a girl up the road was given a bike and i had quite quietly learnt how to ride a bike more or less. +i had an experience with a bike when i was very small a girl up the road was given a bike and i had quite quietly learnt how to ride a bike more or less. mhm. and i, i said can i have a ride? and she said yes. -and i went up and down the road and miles away then came back and i couldn't stop because this bike was very old fashioned and you had to stop it by pedalling back +and i went up and down the road and miles away then came back and i couldn't stop because this bike was very old fashioned and you had to stop it by pedalling back i know. pedalling backwards! oh yes @@ -14864,7 +14847,7 @@ back pedalling, mustn't you? hey? yo , you might stop sort of suddenly. stop very suddenly. -and then you'd +and then you'd yes,yo well i i i yeah, no i have actually got no. th ridden one. @@ -14874,10 +14857,10 @@ certainly but i have of that. well no not but i can remember riding this girl's mm. -bike can't stop! +bike can't stop! can't stop! ! -and so er er can +and so er er can mm. remember riding up mm. @@ -14910,17 +14893,17 @@ mm? they had is it? is it really? -they had new one after the war. +they had new one after the war. why do they want another one? -it's just isn't satisfactory. +it's just isn't satisfactory. how extraordinary. no. -john's gotta build a new one. +john's gotta build a new one. oh! he's not complaining? no. no. -and at your old stamping ground. +and at your old stamping ground. gotta for what? to build one for chelmsford cathedral. @@ -14935,22 +14918,22 @@ and so is the bloody bishop there! yeah but he's absolutely awful! very nice. -and erm if you wanted to hear about chelmsford cathedral when estelle who was a humorous and eighty something but still on the ball she'll tell you about the +and erm if you wanted to hear about chelmsford cathedral when estelle who was a humorous and eighty something but still on the ball she'll tell you about the who? chelmsford cathedral. estelle . who is that? sister. -oh sister! +oh sister! oh yes and i've met her, i've met her! -and erm ooh she's marvellous! +and erm ooh she's marvellous! yes. -she's be ,ei , eighty six and she lives alone and she's she's absolutely ge again, the arch deacon, it's the arch deacon there that's the trouble! -he got a bulldozer to bull , to bulldoze up the erm aisles and bulldoze the sanctuary and he's thrown away, god knows what! -i mean there are, there, there were erm all sorts of things there. -and his, and he got rid of the beautiful eagle erm you know, reading desk and he got rid of the bishops's erm, chair, the bishop's what do they call it? +she's be ,ei , eighty six and she lives alone and she's she's absolutely ge again, the arch deacon, it's the arch deacon there that's the trouble! +he got a bulldozer to bull , to bulldoze up the erm aisles and bulldoze the sanctuary and he's thrown away, god knows what! +i mean there are, there, there were erm all sorts of things there. +and his, and he got rid of the beautiful eagle erm you know, reading desk and he got rid of the bishops's erm, chair, the bishop's what do they call it? oh yes. throne? the bishop's throne! @@ -14962,9 +14945,9 @@ sh she won't i haven't been in go near it! do you know what she does? -on is the erm erm, nearly next door is the old erm quaker chapel +on is the erm erm, nearly next door is the old erm quaker chapel oh yes. -the most beautiful building and nobody can pull it down, but +the most beautiful building and nobody can pull it down, but not the chapel mollie? no, not . @@ -14972,47 +14955,47 @@ meeting house. meeting house meeting house yes. -and opposite her is where the erm quakers meet now because they can't afford to run the chapel the erm meeting +and opposite her is where the erm quakers meet now because they can't afford to run the chapel the erm meeting meeting house. -meeting house as a big one and they are getting fewer. -but she says i sometimes just walk across the road and go to the meeting house at you know +meeting house as a big one and they are getting fewer. +but she says i sometimes just walk across the road and go to the meeting house at you know well i've got a theory rather than the cathedral. yeah. -i've got a theory i have a feeling there's going to be a great revival of people with a quakered mind way of thinking. +i've got a theory i have a feeling there's going to be a great revival of people with a quakered mind way of thinking. yes i i yes. do agree. -but the trouble is noel, in the meantime erm the quakers have fallen apart because the quakers have filled themselves up with sort of barefooted raw carrot eaters with beads +but the trouble is noel, in the meantime erm the quakers have fallen apart because the quakers have filled themselves up with sort of barefooted raw carrot eaters with beads well i know they have, yes i agree. with the and haven't, but haven't ever read that's right. -the bible +the bible sort of eastern religion type, meditation and thing and it's no good at all! the old fashioned quakers who were sikhs and everything. mm. -now, what i have learnt at college this week which is rather interesting i think. +now, what i have learnt at college this week which is rather interesting i think. well i think you'll be interested. -erm in the bible in the new part, the new testament, there's a er an epistle of james. +erm in the bible in the new part, the new testament, there's a er an epistle of james. yes. mm. -well i am told that that is the earliest thing at all. +well i am told that that is the earliest thing at all. i'd say that. -that is his erm actually a brother of jesus in his family +that is his erm actually a brother of jesus in his family yes. -and so it's very much as he was thinking and it should be in the old testament really cos it was written you know, before jesus +and so it's very much as he was thinking and it should be in the old testament really cos it was written you know, before jesus mm. that's right. before the, before the crucifixion. -erm, and it's been quickly christianized with just two little lectures at the beginning of two chapters to christianize so it was popped in for new testament and it's the nearest we can get to to teaching. +erm, and it's been quickly christianized with just two little lectures at the beginning of two chapters to christianize so it was popped in for new testament and it's the nearest we can get to to teaching. and of course, it's totally jewish mm. but i'd say it's th it's th je , the jewish teaching as christ would have preached it mm. -you see and it's for all the family. -and there's, towards the end of the first chapter there's a bit all about erm erm er temptation and deliver us from evil kind of thing which is obviously rather from the, from the lord's prayer and yet it's, rather explained rather nicely and it, it's a lovely, lovely book! -it's only five +you see and it's for all the family. +and there's, towards the end of the first chapter there's a bit all about erm erm er temptation and deliver us from evil kind of thing which is obviously rather from the, from the lord's prayer and yet it's, rather explained rather nicely and it, it's a lovely, lovely book! +it's only five do you know, i haven't ever read it. i will do of course. i've heard about that. @@ -15024,45 +15007,45 @@ i shan't be able to walk home! really? it seems to be mm. -everything sort of, in a nutshell, you don't need any of the rest +everything sort of, in a nutshell, you don't need any of the rest oh well! of the new mm. -testament, that's just quite enough, it's just a just th the jewish thing filled out slightly and and and a little bit less rules and, you know,i it's very, very lovely! +testament, that's just quite enough, it's just a just th the jewish thing filled out slightly and and and a little bit less rules and, you know,i it's very, very lovely! well apparently chelms i've never read it , but i shall. we'll have a go, yes. well that's what chelmsford's got you see, chelmsford was was full of quaker! -i mean, i can, i can erm quote the quaker the families who still live there. +i mean, i can, i can erm quote the quaker the families who still live there. yes. -oh, all the important people were quaker families when i lived there you see? -and the erm the . +oh, all the important people were quaker families when i lived there you see? +and the erm the . the , i was gonna say them. -oh the were appalling! -ah yeah, the , the and i knew them. +oh the were appalling! +ah yeah, the , the and i knew them. oh yes! yes. and erm what about the ? they're still there apparently -the were +the were oh yes, they're still there! -and the were the norfolk more weren't they? +and the were the norfolk more weren't they? mm mm? -were the norfolk more, were they? +were the norfolk more, were they? i think they were. -yes, i i mean i can't remember they and the and . -by the time +yes, i i mean i can't remember they and the and . +by the time i can't remember now but they're at least five. -i was thinking of them the other night, well they er, five at least erm they were +i was thinking of them the other night, well they er, five at least erm they were th they were quakers. but er ,,and something else, i can't remember them. i di , i always think of the , i met one or two of those. -they're +they're a when i go through oh mrs , -off the train and still standing there with her name on her side. +off the train and still standing there with her name on her side. mm. yeah, that's right. mm. @@ -15070,7 +15053,7 @@ yeah. oh they're lovely people! but er they ran everything. -i'd been per wo ah i i feel that all this doctrine res religions are spoilt +i'd been per wo ah i i feel that all this doctrine res religions are spoilt that's what i said! by doctrine. exactly! @@ -15084,16 +15067,16 @@ i know. yeah, it's terribly sad! it's terribly sad! i think it's . -even the bishop of durham, i've just recently bought one of his books and i rather wish i hadn't, i'm not liking it much erm he's still much too orthodox really. +even the bishop of durham, i've just recently bought one of his books and i rather wish i hadn't, i'm not liking it much erm he's still much too orthodox really. is he? you know he's still hanging on to oh he is ? and trying to mm. show -well i mean you can't you +well i mean you can't you mm. -you can't get fish from prize thinking fish +you can't get fish from prize thinking fish no. can you? no. @@ -15103,9 +15086,9 @@ mm. in all that way he's quite correct mm. i think. -it's just that he hasn't, to me, changed enough, he's still stuck up with all these various things. +it's just that he hasn't, to me, changed enough, he's still stuck up with all these various things. that really -well i know let's face it, if he, if he was really convinced of the falsity of most it he +well i know let's face it, if he, if he was really convinced of the falsity of most it he mm. couldn't be a conscience to obtain his seat could he? well he reckons you can say it in a different way. @@ -15120,7 +15103,7 @@ and that the stories were told to make a point and mm. the trouble is, people have lost the point and kept the story! erm, you know, it's saying that -well, the earliest man who used to think like this was albert . +well, the earliest man who used to think like this was albert . yes, oh yes course it yeah. was! @@ -15140,18 +15123,18 @@ with that famous last that is his best book chapter which is so lovely when yeah. -he sort of says well you still can spiritually meet jesus even though you know, it's a rather lovely +he sort of says well you still can spiritually meet jesus even though you know, it's a rather lovely the last chapter! -i say, he moves him the more you search for him historically +i say, he moves him the more you search for him historically yeah. -but there is a there's something hanging about still. +but there is a there's something hanging about still. but in a funny way, perhaps there is. i don't know. -i'm very very, very, very, tied up with it, i i i invariably turn relatively happy with it all. +i'm very very, very, very, tied up with it, i i i invariably turn relatively happy with it all. i don't think one has to worry too much. been brought up so much, bought up a christian yes, -you just find it difficult to to admit that one's rather you know but certainly that epistle of james, to me, was just marvellous! +you just find it difficult to to admit that one's rather you know but certainly that epistle of james, to me, was just marvellous! just everything! i, i can't mm. @@ -15159,11 +15142,11 @@ ever remember reading james, if i had, i've forgotten about it. mm. but i shall read him tonight. well certainly, you'll enjoy it. -oh +oh did you go to -'s er ? +'s er ? yes. -er i chose the reading. +er i chose the reading. oh did you? oh yes. @@ -15175,21 +15158,21 @@ yep. it erm was very nicely done! -louis was very upset cos she forgot to erm have anyone to take the names erm +louis was very upset cos she forgot to erm have anyone to take the names erm well so i wrote down -as many as i could think of +as many as i could think of mm. -and erm and i asked margaret , they had a better view where she was +and erm and i asked margaret , they had a better view where she was mm. and she told a lot of other people and so i think we got a pretty comprehensive list actually. -oh, we couldn't er we +oh, we couldn't er we no. we couldn't go anyhow. no. -it was very packed in there but i couldn't see a lot of anything. +it was very packed in there but i couldn't see a lot of anything. but i was glad we couldn't because they asked me to read the lesson. -no it it's miserable! +no it it's miserable! oh yeah. it spoils everything doesn't it? i'm glad to say @@ -15197,7 +15180,7 @@ mm. and stuck to it. i think there were some people there who didn't really know, but they maybe went because they'd got to a funeral. well it wasn't erm -oh +oh it wasn't quite full enough. i think that's awful don't you? i i do, i do mollie! @@ -15219,31 +15202,31 @@ but steered round it, saying how he admired them you said it. you're obviously going to make his daily up and down the village and and er -i said one or two things -you know, things you could say +i said one or two things +you know, things you could say that's quite erm true. -and he did decide that i would like a cup of tea +and he did decide that i would like a cup of tea i wanted to say he had a great dedication. and she said that if you couldn't go, or telling him. -and he was the only man in the british legion who'd ever bought +and he was the only man in the british legion who'd ever bought that's right darling. a drink. -i i can manage see me any time you want. +i i can manage see me any time you want. no, i did come . he didn't like. -david +david he didn't. me and i usually always tell him off. and i've met people there who i know i knew. yes, that's true. -and i +and i that's true. absolutely! oh sorry! -but i thought it wasn't +but i thought it wasn't no, no, no, that's right. no, when people are dead you must see you bury them. @@ -15262,26 +15245,26 @@ i should think on this. it it okay. moistens it. -it's an egg custard so it's, you know it's worthy +it's an egg custard so it's, you know it's worthy oh well of your attention. i have, if you oh! -don't mind but i don't like +don't mind but i don't like heavens! come on have some ! i don't like normal cream on everything. -and it's only small helpings because you can come for more, okay? +and it's only small helpings because you can come for more, okay? normally i'm staged up on the straw potato you see. smart girl! good potatoes! -erm erm thank you. +erm erm thank you. they're good for you some of them don't like i wish i liked them just plain boiled. -because erm i think they +because erm i think they don't like them really. i think what was that darling? @@ -15289,7 +15272,7 @@ so as they're not, not just plain boiled and nothing else yes. with them. what i've done with these is er -or +or er boiled part were they? parboil them. @@ -15300,17 +15283,17 @@ then pop them into that's loads yeah. thank you. -and pop them in with the +and pop them in with the and . and i love them in their jackets! but not down in -also company, because i can't cope very easily with +also company, because i can't cope very easily with no. with my . i love jacket potatoes, then i won't, with a jacket i don't like the jacket. oh i love the jacket! oh i love the jacket! -you see, i love the jacket but i can't cope because i can't cut it properly. +you see, i love the jacket but i can't cope because i can't cut it properly. yeah, i'm like that. i'm always torn between conscience, eating a jacket or letting the birds enjoy it. yes. @@ -15323,17 +15306,17 @@ no i'm not, i haven't got a robin. oh i could we haven't one that comes on our no. -it's just +it's just no. at the last minute now. -talking to my or something, i mean why should he die? +talking to my or something, i mean why should he die? i mean, my robin still comes around and tha , that's my joy! i always yes. know when the robin's there. we like them i have every year. -to be there on the +to be there on the mm. you know. cats are very bad for them aren't they? @@ -15348,7 +15331,7 @@ around our house. i've got terrible cats! one little nervous cat, it's such a nuisance to me ! so is mine! -he comes over he does all his jobbies in my garden! +he comes over he does all his jobbies in my garden! mm. and he scrapes up all the soil, you see this , well lindsay hasn't got any soil, she's just got grass, so obviously it go , comes round! oh! @@ -15359,7 +15342,7 @@ mm. mm mm. no. well we -the scot er we call him what do we call the scot who lives along the way? +the scot er we call him what do we call the scot who lives along the way? i call him, i call him edgar. edgar! we call him edgar, is @@ -15375,7 +15358,7 @@ no, no, but mine is a girl, this one's mm. a boy but the one next to me is a girl. -why mark's at her? +why mark's at her? really? mm. oh is it? @@ -15392,31 +15375,31 @@ i see. ah! i've made a, one little mistake, i didn't tell you edith! ah? -erm i went in the mill to get some wood and noticed this young man and, i think i told you, i found him smoking in the, in the porsche. +erm i went in the mill to get some wood and noticed this young man and, i think i told you, i found him smoking in the, in the porsche. mm! -well er i i said to young er what's his name? +well er i i said to young er what's his name? da da do erm -daniel who owns the mill ah, the young man you've got there working for you he said, you're wrong it's a girl! +daniel who owns the mill ah, the young man you've got there working for you he said, you're wrong it's a girl! oh oh! really! we well was it to her that you said it was a girl! don't you dare come over -but i can't +but i can't here smoking? yes, don't you dare come over smoking! yes, yes , mm. i can't tell the difference wha erm no. -erm, i mean very often the girl's hair is shorter than the boys isn't it? +erm, i mean very often the girl's hair is shorter than the boys isn't it? mm. mm. -she, in fact did look at me rather palsely once or twice. +she, in fact did look at me rather palsely once or twice. oh! mm. -well john thinks everything german is that +well john thinks everything german is that mhm. much superior to everything british! oh gosh! @@ -15445,29 +15428,29 @@ oh it's common knowledge you see. well now of course! mm. -now damen's erm erm erm daughter damen who was waiting to go to holland is it holland? -yes, amsterdam i think somewhere there. -and erm on a job er on on an english railway starting with starting a factory out there and they are going to manage it she's worried stiff you see because she says now er, germany and holland are starting to move in the recession and once they're there if the recession comes they'll tack up her husband immediately +now damen's erm erm erm daughter damen who was waiting to go to holland is it holland? +yes, amsterdam i think somewhere there. +and erm on a job er on on an english railway starting with starting a factory out there and they are going to manage it she's worried stiff you see because she says now er, germany and holland are starting to move in the recession and once they're there if the recession comes they'll tack up her husband immediately quite rightly! -and and they said they, the erm and anybody there and and chuck out the english workers because the ho , the erm dutch don't want english workers you see! +and and they said they, the erm and anybody there and and chuck out the english workers because the ho , the erm dutch don't want english workers you see! and yet, we have them over here. yep. -we have them over here and they say +we have them over here and they say absolutely! exchange we had a letter a few -weeks ago, at christmas time from erm the er, what is it? +weeks ago, at christmas time from erm the er, what is it? spain, portuguese yes. er right. -family that we know and th , they're, one of their sons is fo erm in london i suppose erm adapt here and he's rather upset because she is now coming over to britain to work for telecom! +family that we know and th , they're, one of their sons is fo erm in london i suppose erm adapt here and he's rather upset because she is now coming over to britain to work for telecom! oh really! oh gosh! now why? oh dear! i don't see it! -and i don't think they +and i don't think they well why can't some of our yobbos go away and get jobs elsewhere! mm. yes exactly! @@ -15479,7 +15462,7 @@ ha, mm. mm. really how i this this it's ridiculous really! -this funny creature out of mars but she's not very +this funny creature out of mars but she's not very nice if she's female! wilf wants to , wilf wants to know her . i trust you won't be any more churlish, telling her not to smoke in the wood shop! @@ -15495,7 +15478,7 @@ yes! mm! yeah! mm. -oh no but no course it i i it's er i i mr discipline. +oh no but no course it i i it's er i i mr discipline. oh yes! yes. that's not quite @@ -15503,7 +15486,7 @@ right. the same. john's doing jolly well isn't he? oh yes! -he is +he is he's just got well you're very lucky cos so, you might have easily of had nobody in the family oh absolutely! @@ -15525,7 +15508,7 @@ st. john's college mm. cambridge. yeah. -could i tempt somebody? +could i tempt somebody? a tiny bit, that's lovely thank you. a slither. absolutely delicious! @@ -15536,30 +15519,30 @@ mm. it? very nice! do you know this was on food and drink last week on er, on the television. -oh well, how so when what did they do,it was going to be i didn't +oh well, how so when what did they do,it was going to be i didn't that's right. quite mm. . jolly good! and help yourself to the, i'm sad to say that that has curdled since i put it in the jug, do you want me to change it? -do you ever cheat and put a little of cornflour +do you ever cheat and put a little of cornflour it's not gonna fit in though. oh it has though, that usually stops mm. it. and i thought i'd caught it. yes. -and i had caught it, it was all over +and i had caught it, it was all over . -no it will, no +no it will, no tell me, what kind of ginger ? what fresh ginger? -er no, it's erm a flavouring beginning with r +er no, it's erm a flavouring beginning with r it's a flavouring is it? is the the erm -er ground ginger of course. +er ground ginger of course. mm. and then the and then, this stem isn't it? @@ -15575,7 +15558,7 @@ in syrup. in syrup. oh yes. yes. -the whenever i want to erm i want to buy ginger dry ginger to grate +the whenever i want to erm i want to buy ginger dry ginger to grate do you want some more? you know. pardon? @@ -15596,50 +15579,50 @@ mm. what? how can you do that? it's li , it's like rocks isn't it? -well you well you halve +well you well you halve well -it you see and i mean +it you see and i mean and you put it on that i mean i was thinking of making gingerbread mm! you grate the ginger mm! -and as much there -that's the , you grate it very fine +and as much there +that's the , you grate it very fine used to it , yeah. -yes but, you see when i try to buy some i think the frozen fish is, shop in woodbridge is silly, damn silly place anyway! -and erm they offered me a green ginger you see +yes but, you see when i try to buy some i think the frozen fish is, shop in woodbridge is silly, damn silly place anyway! +and erm they offered me a green ginger you see mm! mm. well now, what could you which isn't what you wanted. do with green ginger? you put it into casseroles and things or into the fruit -is it for chinese food +is it for chinese food yes i know but do you eat it or do you just put it in to flavour it? -i think mostly flavour it, i i i suppose you can eat it but +i think mostly flavour it, i i i suppose you can eat it but well it's a waste of money! and you put it in chinese food! but you can eat it. oh yes, but you put cloves in and you don't eat them, but they flavour it. -to do a ginger, i i've eaten ginger of that kind +to do a ginger, i i've eaten ginger of that kind oh you eat it. -beat it i in chinese dishes. +beat it i in chinese dishes. because i got some by mistake cos it, yes i know it in chinese dishes but i don't quite know what they do with it. mm. -it is good piece i hope ? +it is good piece i hope ? well they were, they were qui , they were as big as that. mm. i chucked it out in the end. -if i went to put it in, i was gonna say and i went to put it in er cos it dries off doesn't it? +if i went to put it in, i was gonna say and i went to put it in er cos it dries off doesn't it? mm. -if i were to put it in er stewed apples or something i wouldn't eat the actual ginger but in a casserole, it's nice. -no, but there's no point in putting it in in erm apples because you grate your dried +if i were to put it in er stewed apples or something i wouldn't eat the actual ginger but in a casserole, it's nice. +no, but there's no point in putting it in in erm apples because you grate your dried mm. with them you see. mm. in there. -or you can put erm ginger +or you can put erm ginger i don't in a syrup yes. @@ -15647,13 +15630,13 @@ you can do that. yes. yeah i like that. i've got a lot of, quite of lot of dry ginger, dried ginger. -erm a little bit more just a touch more mollie? +erm a little bit more just a touch more mollie? not for me, no thank you. none? i can remember the first time i ever -came across dry ginger one of my school girlfriends was giving me a recipe, which, for which one er fo for erm ginger beer +came across dry ginger one of my school girlfriends was giving me a recipe, which, for which one er fo for erm ginger beer mm. -for christmas, and it was delicious the way her mother made it so she started it with me writing it down, see, and she told me the ingredients and then she said you brews the ginger i thought +for christmas, and it was delicious the way her mother made it so she started it with me writing it down, see, and she told me the ingredients and then she said you brews the ginger i thought brews the ginger? fancy her saying it! she was my grammar school friend, you see. @@ -15676,7 +15659,7 @@ yeah. mother used to make wonderful ginger beer and we ooh! were bought up on it! -it's a wine merchants now. +it's a wine merchants now. yeah yeah it's a @@ -15684,7 +15667,7 @@ an off-licence. oh! not oddbins, it's the other one. no, the other one. -oh yeah, well i've never even been there before. +oh yeah, well i've never even been there before. look it up again then. yeah, there they are, those houses there, you know where them new shops are? yeah. @@ -15704,7 +15687,7 @@ dorothy perkins is there. yeah. and that's oddbins now innit? yeah, there. -can't get out of my place can you ? +can't get out of my place can you ? how the west was won ! wore cap ,wore caps ! didn't they? @@ -15728,13 +15711,13 @@ no. what is it? it's a we wa wet road innit? yeah. -yeah, it says here, on a sunny day +yeah, it says here, on a sunny day the avon and wokingham canal. no, that's not even water is it? it's just wet tarmac. yeah, it's a wet tarmac. wet . -that's the bit they've knocked down to the put the smiths and that, the other side of it, this bit. +that's the bit they've knocked down to the put the smiths and that, the other side of it, this bit. mhm. oh there's the king's head. yeah. @@ -15745,7 +15728,7 @@ next door to one another. there's the red lion there and the king's head here. well it used to be a coaching inn didn't it? the coaches used to go through there. -the same as the roads weren't it? +the same as the roads weren't it? mm. and the bus. yeah, well th the roads actually,yo @@ -15765,7 +15748,7 @@ that is er, yeah. mm! hello again! hello john. -er yes please? +er yes please? yes please. er two slices of ham please? right. @@ -15790,9 +15773,9 @@ yeah, it's lovely beef that. it looks nice. you'll be alright with that. pound, five ounces, do you want a wee bit more? -er, erm can i see it? +er, erm can i see it? you can have a little bit more, here are. -i think that's yes, just a wee bit more to bring it er +i think that's yes, just a wee bit more to bring it er yeah, just a bit only a little bit john. thank you. @@ -15825,13 +15808,13 @@ yeah. butter please thank mam? you? -thank you, and i think the only other thing i need is erm you haven't a small caster sugar have you? +thank you, and i think the only other thing i need is erm you haven't a small caster sugar have you? no, only that big just the one we , er, i'll take that one then mhm. thank you. thank you. -and unless i'm being stupid i think that's really all i need this morning. +and unless i'm being stupid i think that's really all i need this morning. mm. i've got veg. one eighty two. @@ -15864,7 +15847,7 @@ no he didn't. he's got some writing he's got to get on oh yes. with down there. -erm yes, oh and you you haven't got your nice fire on yet? +erm yes, oh and you you haven't got your nice fire on yet? it smoked like the devil! oh! come through here. @@ -15876,22 +15859,22 @@ yes. yes, why not? why not? why not, indeed! -it is the bitterest morning that i've +it is the bitterest morning that i've oh it is bitter! thanks, it's lovely! it is bitter. oh that's a beauty! isn't it? -and what is the fi , is the kitchen erm chimney needing to be swept or something then? +and what is the fi , is the kitchen erm chimney needing to be swept or something then? er, no the dining room. er, i mean the dining room, sorry! -yes , yes, oh yes i've well you know the fires on that i had in all the winter i'm going to get on that today. +yes , yes, oh yes i've well you know the fires on that i had in all the winter i'm going to get on that today. i know it wants er, sweeping. yes. yes. it's smoking. yes. -i da , i i i tried to but i'd smoke the place out! +i da , i i i tried to but i'd smoke the place out! aha. oh that's a pity because that's the room that you aye @@ -15902,16 +15885,16 @@ but because this in the centre is the warmest room cos there only one door here yes. that's true. there's five in that other. -yes it's lovely! -my goodness it's erm we were all saying yesterday it was summer! +yes it's lovely! +my goodness it's erm we were all saying yesterday it was summer! noel cut the grass yesterday can you believe it? and i did he did? yes. and i weeded the front garden, some of it. -erm and now look at it today! +erm and now look at it today! it's really cold! -ye , yesterday afternoon, as a matter of fact, i walked up to the gate and i come back and i just walked across the lawn and i i felt the sun. +ye , yesterday afternoon, as a matter of fact, i walked up to the gate and i come back and i just walked across the lawn and i i felt the sun. yes. yes. yes , felt the sun. @@ -15920,7 +15903,7 @@ it does! it does! oh it's ! yes. -and er, it was funny yesterday morning the birds in the village were singing just in the way they do in the spri , in the spring, you know, first light. +and er, it was funny yesterday morning the birds in the village were singing just in the way they do in the spri , in the spring, you know, first light. yeah, that's right. and i thought gosh, if they don't know what's well they've got another month @@ -15929,7 +15912,7 @@ that's true. well that's true! yes. but you see you take it for granted. -tell me stanley erm, i brought your medicine from the doctor +tell me stanley erm, i brought your medicine from the doctor yes. er, was that because you've not been well this week or just is it a ,ro routine replacement or something? well no, that's erm er, water . @@ -15937,7 +15920,7 @@ yes, but i, it's not because you've not been well? no! no, no, no, no oh that's fine. -no, no, no, no i , no it's a i i it's old trouble. +no, no, no, no i , no it's a i i it's old trouble. yes i know. i know. it's old trouble. @@ -15947,8 +15930,8 @@ he's more interested in women than anything else! oh! it's sad isn't it? it really is, it's sad! -i don't know, he come, he said to me er we we well he come over, you see when i come home from hospital he sa , he had to report to come and see me he was a long while before he did come! -but er, he he hopped on one day and er had a talk with him and so on and took my temperature and pulse and that, this, that and other, he said well i'll call again he said, when i'm by, but he never did! +i don't know, he come, he said to me er we we well he come over, you see when i come home from hospital he sa , he had to report to come and see me he was a long while before he did come! +but er, he he hopped on one day and er had a talk with him and so on and took my temperature and pulse and that, this, that and other, he said well i'll call again he said, when i'm by, but he never did! mm. he never called! mm. @@ -15964,19 +15947,19 @@ nothing to do with it! i mean, it doesn't stop him from going shooting and fishing does it? oh no! no, no, that's the thing. -i think he's a little bit envious because er, i took those meadows back, you see. +i think he's a little bit envious because er, i took those meadows back, you see. possibly , yes. -cos he used to go shooting there and and they went in there and they shouldn't of done because michael told them i'd taken meadows back and he sa , he said when tony told them, they, they'd been there shooting he said well they're, they're out of bounds! +cos he used to go shooting there and and they went in there and they shouldn't of done because michael told them i'd taken meadows back and he sa , he said when tony told them, they, they'd been there shooting he said well they're, they're out of bounds! mm. mm. -he said i told them that. +he said i told them that. mm. mm. but they took advantage, the boys did and they don't care at all! ye , yes that's right, mm. they take liberties . yes, they do , they do, it's a shame! -i think that a little bit apprehensive on things like that, and course when he saw tony asked whether ga , whether he could go and tony said no, i'm sorry doc but that he said i've got my ponies and things there and i don't want people shooting there! +i think that a little bit apprehensive on things like that, and course when he saw tony asked whether ga , whether he could go and tony said no, i'm sorry doc but that he said i've got my ponies and things there and i don't want people shooting there! of course not! no. there's them foals from , round the back, they don't want them. @@ -16013,7 +15996,7 @@ well that's right innit? yes. oh dear oh dear! oh heck! -well, so there you are and i told them, he he said that he wanted erm a urine sample you see and so of course when the nurse come after he'd gone, later and i kept waiting and i thought to myself well i want to know the result! +well, so there you are and i told them, he he said that he wanted erm a urine sample you see and so of course when the nurse come after he'd gone, later and i kept waiting and i thought to myself well i want to know the result! yes. jackie said, well ring them,sh he should know something about it! yes. @@ -16040,7 +16023,7 @@ yes. nice personality i shouldn't very nice! reckon. -and i got that, well and she sa ,she said er, when i asked them fo for some er tablets he said alright, can you send down for them? +and i got that, well and she sa ,she said er, when i asked them fo for some er tablets he said alright, can you send down for them? i said yes, he said alright i'll have them ready. they'll be ready. and same as those, she said, they'll be ready any time after lunch, so i @@ -16049,15 +16032,15 @@ said thank you very much. mm. and er mm. -but erm i said to her over there, i said er, well excuse me i said er da er er a doctor , i, i said took a urine test for me and i said i want to know that i, if he knew the results? -she said, well i'll look up well he never told her and he never told me! +but erm i said to her over there, i said er, well excuse me i said er da er er a doctor , i, i said took a urine test for me and i said i want to know that i, if he knew the results? +she said, well i'll look up well he never told her and he never told me! no. no. -and so she looked up, she said, that is right she said, alright, and er he prescribed some more water pills. -well why didn't he get on with it? +and so she looked up, she said, that is right she said, alright, and er he prescribed some more water pills. +well why didn't he get on with it? people complain that these tests seem to take longer than they need to. well i think so, yeah! -whether the hold up is at the hospital or in the erm surgery i +whether the hold up is at the hospital or in the erm surgery i yes! honestly don't know! but it does seem to take a while. @@ -16077,9 +16060,9 @@ the thing is, after all's said and done if er,i i if there's a little pain i get absolutely! so he can hang on can't he? that's right! -there's a no, i don't think he's too obliged as he should be! +there's a no, i don't think he's too obliged as he should be! no, he's not a, i don't think he's as a as some -they tell me that is a, is a, a lot better value. +they tell me that is a, is a, a lot better value. he is wonderful! they he @@ -16089,46 +16072,46 @@ everybody wants him you know. yes. i should think his list is absolutely full by now. yes, of course. -erm, the first time i met him was when he was doing a very tricky stitching job, i took mollie up +erm, the first time i met him was when he was doing a very tricky stitching job, i took mollie up yes. because she'd cut her leg yes. -and er i took her up there and her si , skin is like tissue paper +and er i took her up there and her si , skin is like tissue paper yes. -i don't know how that man managed to get the two edges to meet but he did a wonderful job on it! +i don't know how that man managed to get the two edges to meet but he did a wonderful job on it! and he was so nice to her when he was doing it. yes, he's a nice person of you're very nice! -then mrs erm er,, you know, who had the mu +then mrs erm er,, you know, who had the mu oh yes! she think a lot of him! lucky girl! yeah. -those people who live there in, up in framlingham are very lucky! +those people who live there in, up in framlingham are very lucky! ha? yes. and those people who live near enough yes. you see, to the main surgery. -well of course when is out, they they give you the the 's number +well of course when is out, they they give you the the 's number that's right. -in fact, one time when they was out they give me a number, i go , and i got ! +in fact, one time when they was out they give me a number, i go , and i got ! oh yes! yes. -well and i had er er erm erm what's the name? +well and i had er er erm erm what's the name? ha! what do you call them,? a tummy upset? no! skin! -oh, not erm shingles? +oh, not erm shingles? shingles, i had a touch oh! of shingles. gosh! mm. and i said to him, he said what's the matter? -and i told him, i said i've got shingles so i said well i got them he said and red round the stomach. +and i told him, i said i've got shingles so i said well i got them he said and red round the stomach. ha, ha, ha, he said! i thought to myself, not so much of the ha, ha, ha! that's what he's li , er, wasn't a way to tell nobody was it? @@ -16152,31 +16135,31 @@ mm. mm. no, some yes. -of them get too snooty in a way. +of them get too snooty in a way. yes , they get, they're a bit less committed. i think the and, as you say with , well if he can go fishing and shooting, i don't know about that, they take priority! yes. yes, that's true. mhm. -there's another very nice one there, he's the latest to have come erm +there's another very nice one there, he's the latest to have come erm . what in oh and he's just at framlingham? yes. -and he's very young, he's i , i met him twice, when i was with people who were dying +and he's very young, he's i , i met him twice, when i was with people who were dying yes. -and erm in fact, yes, but both of just had died and we sent for the doctor and it's +and erm in fact, yes, but both of just had died and we sent for the doctor and it's aha. -it was he who came and erm he was absolutely marvellous! -i thought his manner was just right. +it was he who came and erm he was absolutely marvellous! +i thought his manner was just right. makes all the difference doesn't it? oh yes! it does make a lot of i mean difference, yes -a person like that can help another person to get well can't they? +a person like that can help another person to get well can't they? they can! they can. i mean,th there is something to be said for the manner towards you isn't there? @@ -16191,14 +16174,14 @@ oh absolutely! that's something you absolutely! yes! -if you think to yourself well if i can have a a quarter of an hour's chat with him, that'd be worth something. +if you think to yourself well if i can have a a quarter of an hour's chat with him, that'd be worth something. that's right. that's true. yes. i don't know why some of them get like that, well of course they shouldn't be doctors any how. and tha tha th th a doctor should have a nice personality! he should. -i think in some cases, stanley, not only in the me , medical profession the more people are paid the less committed they seem to be to the job! +i think in some cases, stanley, not only in the me , medical profession the more people are paid the less committed they seem to be to the job! yes, they do, they get independent! yes. they begin to feel that the job is there so that they can earn a living, rather than that they are doing the job itself! @@ -16209,17 +16192,17 @@ th th er theirselves, they take priority not the patient! that's what i feel. yes. yes. -i'm sorry about it because you know, how i feel about the medical profession and the nursing +i'm sorry about it because you know, how i feel about the medical profession and the nursing yes. profession. yes. ye , i mean i'm passionately keen! -but erm i i think some of them let us down a bit. +but erm i i think some of them let us down a bit. mm. yes. well there you are, i don't know whether it's wrong. course, they drop onto you any old time if they come but if they can't -oh yes, if they want to come it doesn't matter if it's convenient to you or not does it ! +oh yes, if they want to come it doesn't matter if it's convenient to you or not does it ! not a bit of it! not a bit of it! oh no @@ -16254,17 +16237,17 @@ oh undoubtedly! undoubtedly! yes. they do. -because, i mean, there you are, look, i mean for argument's sake, now , well they have e e every tuesday off or some monday or tuesday off don't he? +because, i mean, there you are, look, i mean for argument's sake, now , well they have e e every tuesday off or some monday or tuesday off don't he? mhm. he does. -the same as that doctor used to come down and er +the same as that doctor used to come down and er oh yes! for him. mm. he was quite a nice fellow! mm. so far. -yes, he's in debenham now. +yes, he's in debenham now. debenham, yes. mm. he lived on the green didn't he,? @@ -16280,20 +16263,20 @@ yeah. right. mm. yes. -but then i mean come and saw me once, you see, when i wasn't there like that and he he tested from top to bottom, he said well ar ar after we sit and talked, and like he said well i better give you the once over, i said th er, certainly. -and so he he tested and such like and he shook his head and he said well i don't know, i can't find anything wrong with you. +but then i mean come and saw me once, you see, when i wasn't there like that and he he tested from top to bottom, he said well ar ar after we sit and talked, and like he said well i better give you the once over, i said th er, certainly. +and so he he tested and such like and he shook his head and he said well i don't know, i can't find anything wrong with you. no. and he said you're a better man than i am! really? yeah. aha. yes. -and that's what said, and that's what +and that's what said, and that's what that's what the hospital said! yes! remember? yes! -and that is what er doctor said! +and that is what er doctor said! yes. and ! yes. @@ -16303,12 +16286,12 @@ no i don't suppose so. i don't suppose so. poor old doctor , he said you'll never wear your heart out. really? -he said, whereas an ordinary man live till they're seventy you'll live till you're ninety! +he said, whereas an ordinary man live till they're seventy you'll live till you're ninety! fancy! he knew, you see. see an yes. -and and when er erm come over here the last time er, i i told him a a that he say, doctor , you see, told what he said, he is a clever old boy weren't he? +and and when er erm come over here the last time er, i i told him a a that he say, doctor , you see, told what he said, he is a clever old boy weren't he? yes. well he was. said that! @@ -16341,34 +16324,34 @@ yes , no problem like that. wonderful! well george got on with a lot of people like that but of course, he was a mason you see. oh, was he? -he is that, but that's why he kept them he used to go down there with him, he got a big photograph of captain like that er, in his room here and so on. +he is that, but that's why he kept them he used to go down there with him, he got a big photograph of captain like that er, in his room here and so on. aha. -well a man of nearly seventy years! +well a man of nearly seventy years! is that so? yeah. my god! -they had they had a few minutes silence for him when he died down framlingham. +they had they had a few minutes silence for him when he died down framlingham. did they? -yes, they +yes, they did they? -because er er er len a mason you see. +because er er er len a mason you see. is he? yes. -and he drives in london er er er for meeting! +and he drives in london er er er for meeting! does he really? they're very keen aren't they? yes! aha. yes, david some -what's-a-name, er er said to me, have you ever thought about? +what's-a-name, er er said to me, have you ever thought about? i said i'm past that my dear! i'm past that . noel's not keen on them, he's been asked to become a mason sometimes yes, right. but he just, it's not, somehow it's hi , not his sort of thing. -no well erm, i did ask, old chris spoke to me once in the park and then there's and things like that, cos a certain amount of secrecy in the , things like that and erm i i sort of turned it down and he even er er er well while and and len that said stanley did you ever think about joining the masons? -well i said i'm too old for that now. +no well erm, i did ask, old chris spoke to me once in the park and then there's and things like that, cos a certain amount of secrecy in the , things like that and erm i i sort of turned it down and he even er er er well while and and len that said stanley did you ever think about joining the masons? +well i said i'm too old for that now. mhm. mm. well you've @@ -16376,58 +16359,58 @@ so they had plenty to do to fill your time without belonging to well yes, after all's that sort of thing. -said and done, mm, after all's said and done course i well i said there's good, bad, and indifferent everything cos i know some masons who are blinking great rogues, you know! +said and done, mm, after all's said and done course i well i said there's good, bad, and indifferent everything cos i know some masons who are blinking great rogues, you know! mm. mm. yes! mm. -old george used to be an old he was always keen to be executor for anybody you know. +old george used to be an old he was always keen to be executor for anybody you know. really? -oh yes, and he could get executor, he was executor for one poor old lady old mrs used to live on the causeway er er er, the first little house you know where the th th , er you're coming this way on the causeway there's the elms, ain't they? +oh yes, and he could get executor, he was executor for one poor old lady old mrs used to live on the causeway er er er, the first little house you know where the th th , er you're coming this way on the causeway there's the elms, ain't they? that's right. -and then on, at the back, there's a little cottage near the start there she used to live in that little cottage. +and then on, at the back, there's a little cottage near the start there she used to live in that little cottage. oh yes! -well old jack er, he di used to do the post round and he lived in the next cottage +well old jack er, he di used to do the post round and he lived in the next cottage mm. they were two thick people. and the old lady when he was out like that, before and he used to go to framlingham carrying the bags and such like, and then deliver, come back poor old boy! -from the -he had a little shop not much, you know just a few things and such like, in those days. +from the +he had a little shop not much, you know just a few things and such like, in those days. mhm. well, she used to sort of keep shop for him, she was deaf as a post! really? yeah, she was deaf as a po ! -but however, she us , poor old soul, she did her best well jackie's mother used to go see her +but however, she us , poor old soul, she did her best well jackie's mother used to go see her mhm. -and of course when old jack died er, jack he left things to her you see +and of course when old jack died er, jack he left things to her you see oh yes. and that, which is natural. that was the time when there was a first portable radios come out oh! yes. -er a phillips i think, one, one of those portable ones, that was rather unique. -and there was a draw tickets for it and old jack won it!. +er a phillips i think, one, one of those portable ones, that was rather unique. +and there was a draw tickets for it and old jack won it!. old jack had won it! -well, old was doing the the executorship for them because he poked his nose into everything! +well, old was doing the the executorship for them because he poked his nose into everything! mhm. he used to live up at the dial. -and poor old sarah said, well how much did she owe him you see? +and poor old sarah said, well how much did she owe him you see? well he said he'd take the radio. oh good gracious! so he took the radio instead of, part payment you see, that was the first time. -well then, cos he was doing executor for poor old soul poor old and er ivy used to go and see her pretty frequently, she said do come and see me mrs ? +well then, cos he was doing executor for poor old soul poor old and er ivy used to go and see her pretty frequently, she said do come and see me mrs ? cos she got a little bit lonely. mm. but of course,th , i'd been living at the haven then, next to the butcher's shop. go and see her. -so one day she said to her mrs , you haven't got a car have you? +so one day she said to her mrs , you haven't got a car have you? ivy said no we haven't, she said you will have one day. really? mhm. if anything happened to me. really? aha. -judge, old was executor he went there one day and he got her to sign her will +judge, old was executor he went there one day and he got her to sign her will goodness! goodness! in favour of him! @@ -16435,14 +16418,14 @@ oh well that's awful stanley! that's a mason! yes, oh that's awful! mm. -when ivy went he took clerk with them down at as a witness. -when ivy went to see her she said oh mrs mr came to see me yesterday afternoon he brought another gentleman with him, a nice gentleman so i she said i think they were taking the census, they got me to sign a paper. +when ivy went he took clerk with them down at as a witness. +when ivy went to see her she said oh mrs mr came to see me yesterday afternoon he brought another gentleman with him, a nice gentleman so i she said i think they were taking the census, they got me to sign a paper. oh dear! oh! and she'd signed her own will! oh! dear oh dear! -and so when she died, he swept the deck! +and so when she died, he swept the deck! oh, that is dreadful! that's a mason! mm. @@ -16451,27 +16434,27 @@ that's dreadful! yeah, that's a mason! mm. now, there's another one. -old mrs old lady who was in framlingham, the dentist? +old mrs old lady who was in framlingham, the dentist? no, i don't reme , no, i don't remember well in any case that name. she, she come from walthamstow. and then when her ah yeah. -her husband died she'd picked out a bit of land all this and i borrowed this and one thing and another, so well they never found a penny! +her husband died she'd picked out a bit of land all this and i borrowed this and one thing and another, so well they never found a penny! mhm. if we hadn't got the money to pay for cash on delivery i never want it! no. i done without! mhm. -well we kept on like that and er er people like that we were packing up wholesale so erm i've lost myself a little bit now. -no, you were talking about er about your cousin mr . +well we kept on like that and er er people like that we were packing up wholesale so erm i've lost myself a little bit now. +no, you were talking about er about your cousin mr . oh yes, that's yes. right! -yes, i was talking about he used to come over here a lot. +yes, i was talking about he used to come over here a lot. mm. -come over here and spent his silver wedding just to come here and his golden wedding! +come over here and spent his silver wedding just to come here and his golden wedding! mhm. he loved to come here take a slog and go down the meadows. oh yes! @@ -16485,10 +16468,10 @@ yes mm mm. he was that type of person. yes. -well i knew someone in and i thought to myself i, perhaps he might lend me a hand? +well i knew someone in and i thought to myself i, perhaps he might lend me a hand? i did touch them one time you see but of course there was nothing doing he wan me! -some years afterwards walking down here after he'd been his for his silver wedding, golden wedding and so on er, coming down that dri drift down from the back he looked at me he said i don't know boy! -i got a nice bit of money and such like i don't know who to leave it to. +some years afterwards walking down here after he'd been his for his silver wedding, golden wedding and so on er, coming down that dri drift down from the back he looked at me he said i don't know boy! +i got a nice bit of money and such like i don't know who to leave it to. i said, well i don't want it . i'd got on my feet you see yes, that's right. @@ -16500,7 +16483,7 @@ is that so? on two occasions he , repeated me that like that. mm mm. he used to come over here. -he went off and told his gardener, wilfred he said stanley won't have any. +he went off and told his gardener, wilfred he said stanley won't have any. that was a surprise to him! mm. good on you! @@ -16524,7 +16507,7 @@ that you didn't want it. that was. and mhm. -thought to myself, yes in a sense i could of done with that so far but i thought, no, i'll stick up and +thought to myself, yes in a sense i could of done with that so far but i thought, no, i'll stick up and yes your independence stand on my own legs! so i told @@ -16535,10 +16518,10 @@ i told him. yes. and he yes. -and wilfred told me himself when i went up there! +and wilfred told me himself when i went up there! really? aha. -yes , he told me what said to him. +yes , he told me what said to him. yes. it all comes round. oh yes! @@ -16555,9 +16538,9 @@ hasn't. no. that's the way. if only people would be a bit more like that sometimes today. -what i wa , what i want to get i've saved up an ,an an an an earned it and +what i wa , what i want to get i've saved up an ,an an an an earned it and yes. -lily and i like that and we bought the self and we felt independent. +lily and i like that and we bought the self and we felt independent. that's right. and i've always was a little bit independent. yes. @@ -16565,7 +16548,7 @@ oh it's the best way to be stanley. yes! it's the best way to be. aha. -and a fellow said to me about two ye , two to three years ago i expect it was two telegraph people up that pole out an just outside of my gate and he's still there and i walk along the gate and he turned round to me he say you're a lucky man! +and a fellow said to me about two ye , two to three years ago i expect it was two telegraph people up that pole out an just outside of my gate and he's still there and i walk along the gate and he turned round to me he say you're a lucky man! i said what do you mean,yo , me a lucky man? well he said, living in a nice place like this. you call it luck? @@ -16576,7 +16559,7 @@ that's right. no. ah, they caught them. that's right. -two people come now doing the water, the the stop cap and one fellow looked across coo he said a big , i said i'll have a run a over the left i said, now you wouldn't would you? +two people come now doing the water, the the stop cap and one fellow looked across coo he said a big , i said i'll have a run a over the left i said, now you wouldn't would you? cos i don't mind, i lo i thi , i'm not afraid of work. no. no. @@ -16591,13 +16574,13 @@ they do, oh! th , oh for me did you? yes. ah, that's sweet of you! -so when i go you'd like me to shut it probably would you? +so when i go you'd like me to shut it probably would you? well i i if you don't mind? if not i can shut it. oh no! well it doesn't take me a minute. -i just wondered whether it was because the erm men with the red van at the gate there +i just wondered whether it was because the erm men with the red van at the gate there oh no no the are doing something here. no,no! @@ -16606,11 +16589,11 @@ they're working are they? i knew you were coming and so i went and opened the gate. ah, so you did. that's sweet of you! -i thought +i thought that's kind! stanley i do not you know -erm yeah? +erm yeah? pardon? that take all sorts to make a world you know. oh yes , indeed it does! @@ -16622,19 +16605,19 @@ we've got them! a lot of people i think we've got all sorts! now like this. -well george come the other day, now he's a working fellow! +well george come the other day, now he's a working fellow! mm. he's got a little sense! mm. -he earned a lot of money and he save it, he then bought a british car. +he earned a lot of money and he save it, he then bought a british car. mm, yes. he paid for it! mm. that's the sor he say, nobody need go short today! that's true. mm. -other people what do they do? -they take the money they go and buy videos, they buy records, they go and bu ba for fo football and all si +other people what do they do? +they take the money they go and buy videos, they buy records, they go and bu ba for fo football and all si mhm. they spend the money in the wrong direction! there's no return! @@ -16652,7 +16635,7 @@ it's madness really! ooh yes! and then mhm. -th a th th i mean th , all these repossessed houses they're lived far beyond their end zone! +th a th th i mean th , all these repossessed houses they're lived far beyond their end zone! yes , they do. they're ordinary working people, they wanna be independent gentlemen! that's right. @@ -16669,7 +16652,7 @@ that's right. that's as simple as that! after all said and done, people live it is really. -far beyond their income and when they get the money they spend it in the wrong direction +far beyond their income and when they get the money they spend it in the wrong direction that's right, because they haven't haven't they? had to work so hard for it perhaps, you see. @@ -16677,15 +16660,15 @@ no! they've borrowed you see it instead. -you see go to a football match, or buying some er electrical appliance appeal to them far more than paying the rent! +you see go to a football match, or buying some er electrical appliance appeal to them far more than paying the rent! yes, that's right. but a lot of people they don't pay the rent, no, ah ra , the tax payers have to make that up! -that's true in many cases that's true. +that's true in many cases that's true. they've got swelled heads, people have! yes , they have stanley. it's very foolish! -i wonder if anybody would know that what happened here ah er er two or three year ago was a up till re recently they know very well that couldn't last! +i wonder if anybody would know that what happened here ah er er two or three year ago was a up till re recently they know very well that couldn't last! couldn't last, could it? couldn't last! i know, @@ -16694,7 +16677,7 @@ went and borrowed an eighty thousand pound and bought a house that's right. mhm. well, he had to scrape to pay the rent at all! -then, on the other hand he had to go short indoors, well then when the i er th th ,th er the interest went up, cos he ! +then, on the other hand he had to go short indoors, well then when the i er th th ,th er the interest went up, cos he ! they don't work out how much they're paying for their money no, they don't! do they? @@ -16703,7 +16686,7 @@ they go to silly people like it is really! that! is really. -and the first thing they do th they go to the wo er er bo the boss of the firm where they work for and want more money! +and the first thing they do th they go to the wo er er bo the boss of the firm where they work for and want more money! that's right. they can't manage. we couldn't do that! @@ -16718,7 +16701,7 @@ i sa and they will again, stanley! i said if we get the wrong people in. -that jackie will tell you the same, i told her mother anything from thirty to forty years ago i said, that don't matter some toss what political power they get in power you'll find the unions will run the country +that jackie will tell you the same, i told her mother anything from thirty to forty years ago i said, that don't matter some toss what political power they get in power you'll find the unions will run the country yes. the way they're going on! yes. @@ -16731,19 +16714,19 @@ and they know they'll get something. that's right. well mhm. -all that money that they keep demanding from the er th wa th wa the firms and such like that ought to have been ploughed back into the firm! +all that money that they keep demanding from the er th wa th wa the firms and such like that ought to have been ploughed back into the firm! that's right. that's right stanley. if they robbed the firm, they're robbing themselves! yes, and then they are. -anthony said years ago, when the rail ma men went on strike why do it? +anthony said years ago, when the rail ma men went on strike why do it? you'll only bring misery and distress on your own country! absolutely! and that's as true today! yes. it is! but they can't see it! -all of them around they kill the goose that laid the golden egg. +all of them around they kill the goose that laid the golden egg. well that's the trouble, they do! yes. yes, but then @@ -16752,15 +16735,15 @@ these firms are gonna pack up! exactly! exactly, and then they lose the lot then don't they? there's only one thought for th sa for them and that's for theirse -i got erm patsy coming in for a bite of lunch +i got erm patsy coming in for a bite of lunch oh yes. -erm because we didn't see her last week. +erm because we didn't see her last week. yes. well we and we better get the sweeper sometimes then. oh you need to stanley won't you? -because er i can't bear to think of you without this room with that lovely fire in. +because er i can't bear to think of you without this room with that lovely fire in. well, there you are. there's always some, look at my birds! oh yes, the birds are there still aren't they? @@ -16772,14 +16755,14 @@ aren't they marvellous! they come straight away don't they? yeah. they're wonderful! -that's your medicine there your eggs there. +that's your medicine there your eggs there. the instructions on them i suppose? sorry? the instructions on it are oh they? -oh, it says, stanley well you can read it i'm sure. -please repeat the water test when you've finished the tablets. +oh, it says, stanley well you can read it i'm sure. +please repeat the water test when you've finished the tablets. please what? repeat the water test oh yeah. @@ -16800,15 +16783,15 @@ yes, you look , you look at them. i'm sure they will stanley. you look at them. whoops! -yes, that one's two tablets twice a day and that's for the water test. +yes, that one's two tablets twice a day and that's for the water test. i see. alright? so i gotta take them both? what er are they for? -bu , you take that to , er two tablets twice a day that's it. -two tablets twice a day. +bu , you take that to , er two tablets twice a day that's it. +two tablets twice a day. so that's probably yes, well what are these? morning and evening. @@ -16824,7 +16807,7 @@ and er, what when those are finished. when those are finished? yes. -that's just to put the water in to put your urine in you see. +that's just to put the water in to put your urine in you see. let me see it before, ooh i mustn't open it because it'll be ste oh no! it'll be sterile, you see. @@ -16833,7 +16816,7 @@ ooh he want, he want that for a test? he wants that,yo , he wants you to put some water in that for a test, some of your water in that that's right. fine. -for a test +for a test after i've used them? after you've used those. that's alright. @@ -16859,7 +16842,7 @@ that's right! that's it. well i can send it down with anybody. that's right. -oh yes, well er er, yes you can because you need to send it down when it's fresh. +oh yes, well er er, yes you can because you need to send it down when it's fresh. oh yes! er, so if nobody's going down give me a ring and i'll come and get it. thank you. @@ -16877,7 +16860,7 @@ if she's going. there's the fat stanley. how much do you want? it's one twenty nine please. -one twenty did you say? +one twenty did you say? er, one twenty nine stanley. please. twenty @@ -16885,7 +16868,7 @@ if you've got a ten, i've got a one. i got, i've got one . twenty five ah. -six, seven eight, nine. +six, seven eight, nine. good! that's clever. that's right. @@ -16901,7 +16884,7 @@ try to. there. thank you very much. you're very welcome stanley. -and i'll see you again next week, but if you need anything in the meantime give me a ring will you? +and i'll see you again next week, but if you need anything in the meantime give me a ring will you? i will, thank you very much. do that dear. thank you. @@ -16909,7 +16892,7 @@ and, try to keep warm and keep out of this wind. yes, that's right. bye bye dear! that's right. -and i'll shut the gate. +and i'll shut the gate. alright. okay, so you tha , you don't need to come out at all. there we are. @@ -16922,28 +16905,28 @@ right. bye bye then stanley! bye bye! bye bye! -erm i think it can't be bad for you because you do quite a lot of the same exercise as you'd do in proper aerobics +erm i think it can't be bad for you because you do quite a lot of the same exercise as you'd do in proper aerobics yes. but you're in the water the whole time. i don't even know what proper aerobics are anyhow. oh you just keep moving the whole time. running on the spot and waving your arms about just seem to keep moving all the time without even running on the spot. -yeah well this is, this is you know it's very difficult to run in the water +yeah well this is, this is you know it's very difficult to run in the water i know it is. cos it keeps getting round your feet and sort of making you drop over. yeah. -and i suppose developing the muscles that keep you from dropping over it's pro can't be, can't be a bad thing. +and i suppose developing the muscles that keep you from dropping over it's pro can't be, can't be a bad thing. i suppose it can't, no. i -and then you do other exercises like lying on your back, putting your feet your from the knees downwards over the edge of the pool and then trying to do sit ups. +and then you do other exercises like lying on your back, putting your feet your from the knees downwards over the edge of the pool and then trying to do sit ups. good heavens! i'm too old for any of that. but noel, isn't exercise against resistance is supposed to have some special benefit isn't it? well i'm doing that all the time, i'm doing it with you my love. oh come off it. -erm i don't know, i, i, i, i i just feel that this is that sort of exercise where er +erm i don't know, i, i, i, i i just feel that this is that sort of exercise where er ooh sorry. it only lasts an hour, it's not going to do any harm no i'm sure it isn't. @@ -16959,8 +16942,8 @@ and i've got another one this afternoon i think. have you ever been in the sauna at er woodbridge? no i haven't. er er no i haven't either. -er i one, went into one at iceland that was it was lovely. -i've been in a sauna in london i belong to a health club there. +er i one, went into one at iceland that was it was lovely. +i've been in a sauna in london i belong to a health club there. mm. i used to play squash. mm. @@ -16968,7 +16951,7 @@ that's a violent one isn't it, squash? yes. i, i can't think that really violent exercise is a good thing generally is it? something that's more measured -oh i don't think i don't think it hurts when you're young, i think when you're older you should only do it if you've done warming up first. +oh i don't think i don't think it hurts when you're young, i think when you're older you should only do it if you've done warming up first. i think so too probably, and you've been used to it. that let's us off, isn't it nice? i think the warming up exercises in themselves are a good thing though @@ -16976,7 +16959,7 @@ mm. even if you don't do anything after mm. after warming up. -the class i go to on monday evenings erm we do warming up exercises and i'd be quite happy if they just stayed warming up exercises for the whole hour. +the class i go to on monday evenings erm we do warming up exercises and i'd be quite happy if they just stayed warming up exercises for the whole hour. yes. have you got someone properly qualified taking them? yes, she's very good. @@ -16985,15 +16968,15 @@ i went to a sauna in iceland mm? and then was able to straight, in, in the hotel it was yes. -straight up in the lift to my bedroom and it was lovely you know, yeah in the hot, in the swimming pa pool +straight up in the lift to my bedroom and it was lovely you know, yeah in the hot, in the swimming pa pool mm. -or through the shower then in the swimming pool then back again and when i'd finished with it i went straight upstairs to my room and i went to sleep straight away, it was lovely. -i was waiting for him to say he went out and rolled in the snow because that's the proper end isn't it? +or through the shower then in the swimming pool then back again and when i'd finished with it i went straight upstairs to my room and i went to sleep straight away, it was lovely. +i was waiting for him to say he went out and rolled in the snow because that's the proper end isn't it? mm and you should beat yourself with twigs as well. -i'm not i don't know really about that. +i'm not i don't know really about that. oh you should definitely do that, i mean that borders on the nasty i think. -they had a there was a sort of electric burner in the place as a whole +they had a there was a sort of electric burner in the place as a whole mm. where they kept on throwing on water to @@ -17004,13 +16987,13 @@ fine mm. that's it. i should apologize for canned soup, but i spent so long talking to stanley this morning mm? -you know sometimes you can just tell he wants you to talk to him, and erm so i er couldn't make a proper soup, sorry, but this is +you know sometimes you can just tell he wants you to talk to him, and erm so i er couldn't make a proper soup, sorry, but this is i think good actually i think. yes, which is it? is it heinz? -heinz tomato -i i made some stock the other day +heinz tomato +i i made some stock the other day mhm. and i put some of it in the freezer yes, ideal. @@ -17018,12 +17001,12 @@ in erm sort of bowls. what did you use for your stock? some bones. and? -oh some onions and +oh some onions and carrot? carrot, yes. celery? that gives a lovely flavour. -i don't think i had any celery, i had, i had put in whatever i had in the house and sort of various herbs and spices and things. +i don't think i had any celery, i had, i had put in whatever i had in the house and sort of various herbs and spices and things. did you put the bones in the stock before or after the dogs had had them? during? during @@ -17034,10 +17017,10 @@ mhm. erm all that hair. yuk. -erm no what happened was that he gave me some bones that were far too big for the dogs. +erm no what happened was that he gave me some bones that were far too big for the dogs. so i made stock out of those. where they gorgeous marrow bones? -that +that yes. oh yes, they make wonderful stock don't they? mm. @@ -17047,9 +17030,9 @@ but he gave them to me practically mm. he's an obliging chap isn't he? mm. -i always feel that when he's giving,, because he gives them to one, doesn't charge for any +i always feel that when he's giving,, because he gives them to one, doesn't charge for any mm? -er anything for the bones, one can hardly say erm give that another whack across the knuckle because +er anything for the bones, one can hardly say erm give that another whack across the knuckle because he wouldn't the big knuckle has so much locked inside he wouldn't mind. @@ -17062,17 +17045,17 @@ he wouldn't mind. i ought to have courage. he charges high enough prices for his other things. yes he, you're right, mhm. -erm when you do your stock do you first of all roast the bone? -no but that is erm er a counsel of perfection or something isn't it? +erm when you do your stock do you first of all roast the bone? +no but that is erm er a counsel of perfection or something isn't it? it it's a method anyway. mm. -erm do you? +erm do you? no. -well i didn't because i just couldn't be bothered to put the oven on to get as hot as that for such short period of time. +well i didn't because i just couldn't be bothered to put the oven on to get as hot as that for such short period of time. what in fact does it do? oh i should think it erm melts out the marrow and does all sorts of quite good things for it. it probably gives it a good colour too. -it gives it colour erm i'm sure because of the, of the fact that they're roasted. +it gives it colour erm i'm sure because of the, of the fact that they're roasted. there's one thing that erm i sometimes do to give it colour, is once i've taken off the outside skin of the onion, the very outside mm? i put the next one in. @@ -17080,7 +17063,7 @@ mm? does that, that gives it colour does it? i read that somewhere, mm. mm. -but roasting them, i wouldn't like to get them with any sort of burnt taste. +but roasting them, i wouldn't like to get them with any sort of burnt taste. well i don't think it would give a burnt taste but i think, i think it probably could do quite a lot of good for it. mm. er i just read it in er i was reading delia. @@ -17092,64 +17075,64 @@ it's the matter of the moment really, you just fling them into a roasting tin do and that's alright if you've got a rayburn but otherwise you have to start yes, start from scratch. heating it up, mm. -now when i was away staying with my cousins +now when i was away staying with my cousins mm. -he is a g p in high wycombe and he's a fundholder. +he is a g p in high wycombe and he's a fundholder. oh good, tell me about it. well he's also been on hundreds of committees because they were sort of one of the early ones to be done mm. -and they have a battery of sort of board members drawn from here there and everywhere, including a fair quantity of redundanted service people. +and they have a battery of sort of board members drawn from here there and everywhere, including a fair quantity of redundanted service people. oh. they had an s a s officer running, running them is that to get you ri to get rid of the patients he didn't want ? no, it was to get rid of the health service. -he, he, he said that at one point this chap had used the phrase that well that they were going for controlled destabilization from the health service. +he, he, he said that at one point this chap had used the phrase that well that they were going for controlled destabilization from the health service. controlled what? destabilization. oh. the s a s man was? mm. why? -that's what the aim of the people doing it was. +that's what the aim of the people doing it was. you mean the official government line? -mm or that's what they er or maybe that was his interpretation of it anyway this was a phrase that came out in, in the actual meetings. -and then he told me a hilarious story about the way in which the chairman of the committee, i'm not sure quite what particular branch in the world he'd come from but he was looking at the figures, i suppose it was an accountant looking at the, the figures saying now why is it that the amount spent on district nurses has gone up? +mm or that's what they er or maybe that was his interpretation of it anyway this was a phrase that came out in, in the actual meetings. +and then he told me a hilarious story about the way in which the chairman of the committee, i'm not sure quite what particular branch in the world he'd come from but he was looking at the figures, i suppose it was an accountant looking at the, the figures saying now why is it that the amount spent on district nurses has gone up? so he was told petrol has gone up. he said yes but you now have your health centre and the district nurses work from there. -so erm they all looked at him, you know, the district nurses so john said to this man what there are some of our patients who are housebound +so erm they all looked at him, you know, the district nurses so john said to this man what there are some of our patients who are housebound yes. -and some of them as well as being housebound, maybe aren't very well and are bedbound +and some of them as well as being housebound, maybe aren't very well and are bedbound mm and the district nurses visit them in their homes. he had to explain it to this man. good god. where did he fund this committee from one has to ask immediately. -he's not given his committee it's wished on him. +he's not given his committee it's wished on him. the local authority the local authority creates the committee. -but i, i had no idea that he then had to be that, being given his own funding, he then had to be organized by a committee. +but i, i had no idea that he then had to be that, being given his own funding, he then had to be organized by a committee. oh that's outrageous. local council i think it must have been some sort of yeah. thing like that, i don't know. well it doesn't seem sensible, i thought it was the g ps getting control. -i mean this is what's going to happen to the detriment of the health service right through +i mean this is what's going to happen to the detriment of the health service right through yes. administration by people who don't know what it's all about. that's right. what has happened to a lot of these hospitals hasn't it? well it seems to be still going on. -what do you make of this idea of building a new hospital at norwich with fewer beds? +what do you make of this idea of building a new hospital at norwich with fewer beds? i can't understand it because if they've got fewer beds why don't they, they just hide a few of the beds they've got already? absolutely. -mm why do they have to have a green field site and start again? -is it because they're going to incorporate a lot of high tech treatments? +mm why do they have to have a green field site and start again? +is it because they're going to incorporate a lot of high tech treatments? i think so, yes. -mm and, you see erm it is a fact that they need fewer hospital beds nowadays because +mm and, you see erm it is a fact that they need fewer hospital beds nowadays because mm. the, the hospital stays are dramatically shorter than they were. -mm yes but we're coming up to a time when er the quantity of old people is going to be rather high than before because we're all healthier. +mm yes but we're coming up to a time when er the quantity of old people is going to be rather high than before because we're all healthier. mm. mm. they'll have something special for them like concentration camps. @@ -17161,17 +17144,17 @@ mm something like that. i wonder how it really goes. i wonder i don't know. -erm well it's -oh this is disappointing because i thought that with g p who'll knows what he requires and what his patients require was going to have erm a pretty er erm +erm well it's +oh this is disappointing because i thought that with g p who'll knows what he requires and what his patients require was going to have erm a pretty er erm well you can't leave a g p to spend the money like he likes, you've got to have a committee for it. you think about it. you, you know? ah! ah. yes anyway have you heard about how they do the costing? -will was telling me about it, how how how they -oh do tell me because i -how they cost erm something like a tonsillectomy. +will was telling me about it, how how how they +oh do tell me because i +how they cost erm something like a tonsillectomy. mm. and how do they? well apparently they count the procedures that are involved in doing it @@ -17180,26 +17163,26 @@ erm they have a price per procedure yes? and they tot it up. mm. -but they haven't got it quantified to such a point where they can actually distinguish a tonsillectomy which might have a lot of procedures but actually takes about half a minute with er other things that are, you know, much much more complicated and the cost of tonsillectomies is unreasonably high compared with erm, you know, with +but they haven't got it quantified to such a point where they can actually distinguish a tonsillectomy which might have a lot of procedures but actually takes about half a minute with er other things that are, you know, much much more complicated and the cost of tonsillectomies is unreasonably high compared with erm, you know, with yes. really? mm. they haven't, they haven't got the pricing right. -and i can understand them not having the pricing right, i don't think they've spent long enough working out what the prices of things are. +and i can understand them not having the pricing right, i don't think they've spent long enough working out what the prices of things are. they've dearly gone on for years not knowing, let alone tonsillectomies, what yes, they didn't these wretched erm they didn't know transplants costs. -they didn't know what they cost but equally being asked to budget against not knowing what things cost +they didn't know what they cost but equally being asked to budget against not knowing what things cost mm mm is er equally stupid. yes it is. -because er er ya absol -but then, but then the er the whole thing gets knocked for six anyway because of general unpredictableness of, of, of illness. +because er er ya absol +but then, but then the er the whole thing gets knocked for six anyway because of general unpredictableness of, of, of illness. well it does i suppose. it does. -you can you can apply statistics to it a bit but it's very unlikely the statis st statistics and what really happens will always add up in fact. +you can you can apply statistics to it a bit but it's very unlikely the statis st statistics and what really happens will always add up in fact. they, they've suddenly had a few outbreaks of polio haven't they? oh have they? mm. @@ -17207,12 +17190,12 @@ i didn't hear that. i say. mhm. yep. -they've had the odd child who hasn't been erm whatnotted and some various +they've had the odd child who hasn't been erm whatnotted and some various ah! various men seem to have caught it from changing their nappies. yes! i did hear of that. -i'm sorry i wasn't relating it to erm to polio. +i'm sorry i wasn't relating it to erm to polio. mm. erm well you know, you've only got to get maybe smallpox back again and that will knock all their predictions for six. @@ -17222,12 +17205,12 @@ yes they do you see. that's the doubtful one isn't it, because it's gone. it's supposed to be completely gone. yeah but do they, do they inoculate children against it at all? -no i don't think no i don't think we have smallpox inoculation er of, of children do we? -don't know we i mean we used to -because they say it's it's, it's gone completely. -erm sorry love we need a fork for that. +no i don't think no i don't think we have smallpox inoculation er of, of children do we? +don't know we i mean we used to +because they say it's it's, it's gone completely. +erm sorry love we need a fork for that. perhaps the meat fork from the shop would do nicely. -no er er erm it's all in the cutting, of course it is very no that's pork and noel daren't touch it so i've got two slices so that you and i could have one. +no er er erm it's all in the cutting, of course it is very no that's pork and noel daren't touch it so i've got two slices so that you and i could have one. that's very nice, thank you. and noel will have the other. erm @@ -17236,52 +17219,52 @@ it's so new to them that they're bothering to cost it, but how did we go on in t i'm trying to think. did we know anything about what our operations were costing? i can't remember. -well if y you if if you go to a bupa hospital you go pa you pay a sort of erm, you know, related type of +well if y you if if you go to a bupa hospital you go pa you pay a sort of erm, you know, related type of yes a figure that's been around that anyway, yes. mm? ya. but i don't know i'm just having that to start with i think . -erm i do i don't, i mean i don't know how accurate it is or whether it's sort of, you know, a set of figures they decided to put on. +erm i do i don't, i mean i don't know how accurate it is or whether it's sort of, you know, a set of figures they decided to put on. it wouldn't relate to what it costs to keep to keep to keep their profits going. yes, that's right. well it probably does relate -that's what it that'll be it. +that's what it that'll be it. it probably does relate pretty well. -i bet it doesn't relate to an actual operation in a general hospital because you've got so many people wanting their rake off in a private one surely? +i bet it doesn't relate to an actual operation in a general hospital because you've got so many people wanting their rake off in a private one surely? i mean haven't you? yes. yes. that erm -yes their profit +yes their profit ya that's right. -rather tired bit fed up with private medicine at the moment. +rather tired bit fed up with private medicine at the moment. oh because of richard? i'm convinced that -richard -you know richard er er ? +richard +you know richard er er ? mm? -had he gone to a national health hospital +had he gone to a national health hospital mm. with the request to have that back thing done for him mhm. i'm convinced that at the age of seventy eight people do they would have said don't bother. yes i'm sure they would have done. ya. -and er would have erm perceived that he wasn't greatly hampered by it, but once you've got a surgeon who is going to get a fat fee he did say to him are you sure you want this done +and er would have erm perceived that he wasn't greatly hampered by it, but once you've got a surgeon who is going to get a fat fee he did say to him are you sure you want this done mm. -but richard was sure he wanted it done and nothing came between him and that intention. +but richard was sure he wanted it done and nothing came between him and that intention. and you see he's, it's going to finish him. he's not going to get better. no. -erm but did he tol tell you that the surgeon asked him if he really wanted it done? +erm but did he tol tell you that the surgeon asked him if he really wanted it done? oh yes it's known that he did. mm? -he said er you're sure because it was quite a thought, for a man his age. +he said er you're sure because it was quite a thought, for a man his age. mm. -but i think a surgeon in a national health would have said look here i do not recommend this. -yeah but then the first thing he would have done would have been got up and gone off and got it done privately. +but i think a surgeon in a national health would have said look here i do not recommend this. +yeah but then the first thing he would have done would have been got up and gone off and got it done privately. that is the danger. he would. so er the end was i suppose always connectable. @@ -17290,31 +17273,31 @@ if that's, if that's what private will do for you mm. mm. i mean, i think, i hadn't realized that they would make different decisions on medical grounds. -mm they will, it's more permissive if you're in the private sector. +mm they will, it's more permissive if you're in the private sector. i'm sure of that. it doesn't come so hea heavily loaded with advice against things. what, because it's all too good for the moneybags? -yes it's, it's i suppose human nature to want to pursue your craft wherever you can. +yes it's, it's i suppose human nature to want to pursue your craft wherever you can. mm. -but erm but it's been a very bad thing for him. +but erm but it's been a very bad thing for him. yes. -but you see they've had computers in hospitals now for years +but you see they've had computers in hospitals now for years mm? -and are, are employing and paying people to work them but they don't ever seem to come to any let's say reportable conclusion about the cost of operations. +and are, are employing and paying people to work them but they don't ever seem to come to any let's say reportable conclusion about the cost of operations. i think if we knew what those heart and lung transplants cost, people would be up in arms that the national health service is being expected to fund that. mm. -well y they're a little bit like nuclear electricity in terms of erm the expensive end aren't they? +well y they're a little bit like nuclear electricity in terms of erm the expensive end aren't they? mm. mm. yes i suppose that's so. -i wish the government could really tellingly er do down these dreadful lies and scandal erm scaremongering things that the labour opposition is putting forward. -i mean they don't honestly care two hoots about people, if they can talk about the dreadful state the, the care of old people is in and all the rest of it and that it's going to get worse, frightening old people. +i wish the government could really tellingly er do down these dreadful lies and scandal erm scaremongering things that the labour opposition is putting forward. +i mean they don't honestly care two hoots about people, if they can talk about the dreadful state the, the care of old people is in and all the rest of it and that it's going to get worse, frightening old people. that's not caring for the community at all. -that's just erm politicking isn't it? +that's just erm politicking isn't it? yes. i can think of nothing worse than kinnock coming into power. oh! -imagine how people like erm erm helmut kohl and +imagine how people like erm erm helmut kohl and cook? not cook oh. @@ -17322,7 +17305,7 @@ because he's in his own party, i mean cook yes well he's a snidey little thing, oh yes, oh lord yes. you know, opposing him. yes. -they'd just, they'd just run over him absolutely, whilst he was grinning. +they'd just, they'd just run over him absolutely, whilst he was grinning. one can't see him in an ambassadorial role at all can one? no. it may not come to it. @@ -17330,7 +17313,7 @@ but this recession is quite a problem. oh it must be. it's a worldwide thing though. mm. -yes but the trouble about it is that the english are so insular that lots of them don't, don't realize it or won't believe it. +yes but the trouble about it is that the english are so insular that lots of them don't, don't realize it or won't believe it. no. that's true. they, they regard that as an excuse. @@ -17347,27 +17330,27 @@ mm. well has it been nice not having to go to france? mm. except of having to go to london instead. -mm i couldn't tell how many people would agree with you about that one that london could be at least a bit preferable to paris. -well helen's a bit like you she, she sort of perks up when she starts to smell the petrol fumes +mm i couldn't tell how many people would agree with you about that one that london could be at least a bit preferable to paris. +well helen's a bit like you she, she sort of perks up when she starts to smell the petrol fumes mm! ya. and she said she had a lovely time. -she went to an exhibition, she went for a browsing sort of shop. +she went to an exhibition, she went for a browsing sort of shop. she said the shops were empty. mm. shopping is much more comfortable now. mm. i'd better go and try and do some some time. mm. -there's a lovely suit in at the moment in the sale in what's that place called? +there's a lovely suit in at the moment in the sale in what's that place called? ? -near +near mhm. it's really lovely. smart, one could go to town or anywhere in it. mm. why is it you don't buy it then? -well because it's darkish in colour and i'd rather promised myself that if i have anything new now it'll be of a brighter colour. +well because it's darkish in colour and i'd rather promised myself that if i have anything new now it'll be of a brighter colour. oh well go and buy the thing before somebody else does, go up this afternoon. dearest i'm saying it's a dark colour. yes. @@ -17375,7 +17358,7 @@ yeah but you could wear it with, you could wear bright things with it. mm. shush, don't push me, i don't need pushing. -no no really i, i, i've resolved, it's charcoal grey you see +no no really i, i, i've resolved, it's charcoal grey you see it sounds very smart enid. very smart. we're going to have princess diana. @@ -17387,53 +17370,53 @@ mm. why don't you go up and buy the thing? no. i'll phone her and ask her if she's got it in red. -you can pinch a bit more of my er +you can pinch a bit more of my er like the telephone woman. mm? like the telephone woman. oh er isn't she oh isn't she super? i don't like the advertisements they're doing for the telephone now though. which are they? -oh they have this silly man who picks up the telephone in a he's er got a chef's hat on and he says giovanni's and then it was, it turns out to be one of his old friends so he lapses into sort of glaswegian. +oh they have this silly man who picks up the telephone in a he's er got a chef's hat on and he says giovanni's and then it was, it turns out to be one of his old friends so he lapses into sort of glaswegian. oh no! i haven't heard that one. -oh but maureen erm er what's she called? +oh but maureen erm er what's she called? maureen lipman, yes lipman, lipman. is very good on those isn't she? mm. she's the right sort. -erm the thing that i feel i couldn't go to see her in is erm hello joyce. +erm the thing that i feel i couldn't go to see her in is erm hello joyce. yes, that joyce grenfell thing? mm. a bit of it was on the television. yes, i saw that bit and it wasn't good no. because sh joyce grenfell was such a lady, it came through. -and and wh and er maureen lipman is much more earthy +and and wh and er maureen lipman is much more earthy mm. and that came through and it was no good. -if you've seen joyce grenfell you, you couldn't +if you've seen joyce grenfell you, you couldn't funny thing to put no. -a jewess to to try to represent joyce grenfell anyhow isn't it? +a jewess to to try to represent joyce grenfell anyhow isn't it? yes. -yes in a way, except she well you could do, it could be done. +yes in a way, except she well you could do, it could be done. did you feel that about her on television? well i felt, i just didn't know what it was but it lacked the sort of charm that it had before. mm. completely. -almost thought when she, when it was when it was erm er mentioned in the first place that she was going to do it +almost thought when she, when it was when it was erm er mentioned in the first place that she was going to do it mhm. -i almost thought ooh you know i'd love to write and say oh don't, don't. +i almost thought ooh you know i'd love to write and say oh don't, don't. joyce grenfell was such a lady. -you couldn't say that to her cos she didn't it would be insulting but in fact, that's the big difference. +you couldn't say that to her cos she didn't it would be insulting but in fact, that's the big difference. mm. -talking of things like this, you know er some people have postcards with their name on in black, across the top +talking of things like this, you know er some people have postcards with their name on in black, across the top oh yes they do. yes that's right, they do. mm. -well er all sorts of funny people like have them like erm iris has, has them. +well er all sorts of funny people like have them like erm iris has, has them. oh does she? and does jane . yes. @@ -17441,35 +17424,35 @@ yes she has them mm. my aunt has them, my father used to have them. mm. -and so i've always associated them with sort of erm, you know, what people had before all those sticky labels came +and so i've always associated them with sort of erm, you know, what people had before all those sticky labels came mm yes. people who did things properly? mm. mm. -well when i was in the london office one chap who is an east end jew made good, his name is ralph , erm suddenly gasped and said gosh isn't this wonderful? +well when i was in the london office one chap who is an east end jew made good, his name is ralph , erm suddenly gasped and said gosh isn't this wonderful? so i sort of was called to look at it, and i said oh yes, all the people i know who have got those are over seventy. and was it one of his own? no no, someone had sent it to him. somebody had sent to him. -and he, he thought that it was such a touch of class about it. +and he, he thought that it was such a touch of class about it. mm. mm. and i expect he's gone away to get them printed now oh probably. because i s i said, i said how funny . -i said well they're just what people had before the sticky labels. +i said well they're just what people had before the sticky labels. yes. -and he dragged out his sticky labels which, which had got blue stripes on them +and he dragged out his sticky labels which, which had got blue stripes on them no? yes, i thought no -that wasn't terribly elegant but anyway his blue labels had got, these little sticky labels had got blue stripes on them +that wasn't terribly elegant but anyway his blue labels had got, these little sticky labels had got blue stripes on them top and bottom. oh how funny. -erm and so i guess he's gone away to get some made. +erm and so i guess he's gone away to get some made. mm -and i said and of course to do it really properly, you also have envelopes so that if you want to you can stick, stick the card in an envelope that will +and i said and of course to do it really properly, you also have envelopes so that if you want to you can stick, stick the card in an envelope that will yes. fit it. cos that's what we used to have. @@ -17495,14 +17478,14 @@ because, in fact every time i get one from someone else i always think why haven i know why, because you're not seventy. that's right, give me another twenty years. we had those envelopes er and the cards for our concerts. -well they were probably erm invitation to a concert. +well they were probably erm invitation to a concert. yeah but they were all fixed up to go into the same envelope sort of thing. mm. -yes +yes oh yes you can't , can't use them though. no. -got too much detail of where we lived and erm you know that it was a concert. -but but these you know, you had your telephone number and you know, just had a whole statement of everything about you. +got too much detail of where we lived and erm you know that it was a concert. +but but these you know, you had your telephone number and you know, just had a whole statement of everything about you. mm mm. and and all you needed was the brief message that you had to send. @@ -17517,7 +17500,7 @@ that does make it difficult. no it made it very easy. you know, especially when perhaps you were having a mixed sort of meeting mm. -wh i remember that when i was at home it was a mixed sort of meeting in which some of the people from the village were coming who you didn't really know but they had to be asked +wh i remember that when i was at home it was a mixed sort of meeting in which some of the people from the village were coming who you didn't really know but they had to be asked mm. mm. yes. @@ -17530,7 +17513,7 @@ and without really having to sign it. you could just put your initial in the corner. of course. mm that's right it -are they called gentle +are they called gentle yes cards? something like that, yes . @@ -17546,18 +17529,18 @@ well er they're er like your autumn leaves that you used to leave on everybody's oh did i? erm but they've got a sticky bit on them oh i know, yes. -and so you, you'd have stuck it on the bench you see erm and it comes off anything without making a mark on +and so you, you'd have stuck it on the bench you see erm and it comes off anything without making a mark on oh yes we've got a little pack of them in london i think on the, by the telephone. yes. that's right, some teeny weeny ones? yes. mm folly gave them to you? -they they they used to call them my autumn leaves er +they they they used to call them my autumn leaves er erm patsy and more oh have some more -an another piece of ham, do +an another piece of ham, do have some more ham or you're getting some nice cheese in a minute. -oh cheese. +oh cheese. are we having some cheese? mm. well i think i'll wait for some cheese @@ -17567,7 +17550,7 @@ i'm i'm tr i'm tr i'm trying not to overeat you see? yes. right. please yourself. -i'm trying to avoid being noticed if i overeat. +i'm trying to avoid being noticed if i overeat. you're trying to, you're trying to avoid being starved all the time aren't you darling? you're allowed to have some water aren't you ? no no no no no @@ -17577,23 +17560,23 @@ it'll be fine. dish you out a larger one. no no it will be absolutely fine, thank you. okay. -well help yourself, i can recommend cheese. -well autumn leave is the best way out of, of of er communicating. +well help yourself, i can recommend cheese. +well autumn leave is the best way out of, of of er communicating. if i were to turn to a man on a bench mm. and say to him so and so and so and so he'd always answer back and say i want to do it this way mhm. -and er the time was wasted, but you give an autumn leaf a little note saying what it, what you, what you wanted done there wasn't much chance he could argue. +and er the time was wasted, but you give an autumn leaf a little note saying what it, what you, what you wanted done there wasn't much chance he could argue. yes i heard a very interesting conversation on the way down here in that programme just a minute oh you know the one i mean? i hate it but i'll tell you why in a minute. mm mm. go on. -well i don't like it very much but it has this very interesting discussion as to whether a fax was cheaper or more expensive than the telephone +well i don't like it very much but it has this very interesting discussion as to whether a fax was cheaper or more expensive than the telephone mm? -and the biggest pro for a fax that i can think of is that you can send the message and that's that, there's no risk of it dribbling on into, into doubt -mm +and the biggest pro for a fax that i can think of is that you can send the message and that's that, there's no risk of it dribbling on into, into doubt +mm as it would on the telephone, yes. yes. how right. @@ -17601,69 +17584,69 @@ mm. so i thought that was quite interesting to think mm and they can't argue with a fax. think about. -i hate that programme because i like i tend to come and listen to the content of what they're saying +i hate that programme because i like i tend to come and listen to the content of what they're saying mm. and they're only saying it for the sake of keeping going. -yes -and then er so it's never, it's never worth serious attention is it? +yes +and then er so it's never, it's never worth serious attention is it? well just occasionally it is. sometimes you do get something interesting. and and and and then and then they get interrupted and you wish, you know, you wish they hadn't. -that's it, you see that's full of frustration -yes it's -for me +that's it, you see that's full of frustration +yes it's +for me i don't like it, i, i prefer things like the news quiz mm. -or even that one about that game with mornington crescent in it. +or even that one about that game with mornington crescent in it. mornington crescent? yes. i've heard that phrase used but i don't know what it's for. -oh well it's, it's where they say say a sequence of underground station names or or locations +oh well it's, it's where they say say a sequence of underground station names or or locations oh -in london in, in a sort of clever way that makes it sound as though there's some terrific good reasoning for it +in london in, in a sort of clever way that makes it sound as though there's some terrific good reasoning for it oh. -and they just say it totally randomly and the last one just the first pers person who says mornington crescent is the winner but they've made a great big sort of fiction as to how why, when it is suitable to say mornington crescent +and they just say it totally randomly and the last one just the first pers person who says mornington crescent is the winner but they've made a great big sort of fiction as to how why, when it is suitable to say mornington crescent you have to come to it yes. i, yes i see. th there's no logic to it at all but they play it on. how extraordinary, i've not heard that one. mhm. -it's a programme where they also sing the songs of one tune wh to another tune. -oh you mean the programme where they do that? +it's a programme where they also sing the songs of one tune wh to another tune. +oh you mean the programme where they do that? mm. -erm well that's not that's not my music is it? +erm well that's not that's not my music is it? no. no. erm that's erm can't remember what it's called. -mm it's jazz with humphrey littleton. +mm it's jazz with humphrey littleton. oh. -i, i'm, i'm not with you on that one because erm i'm sure i'm vaguely at the back of my mind i think i know what it is, i have heard of it i mean +i, i'm, i'm not with you on that one because erm i'm sure i'm vaguely at the back of my mind i think i know what it is, i have heard of it i mean mm. or heard it mm. -but i can't bring it to mind, it won't come to the front as it were. +but i can't bring it to mind, it won't come to the front as it were. well i can't remember what it's called. -erm yes apart from my music i can't think of one. +erm yes apart from my music i can't think of one. i heard a very amusing thing on the radio this morning mm? -came in half way through it, at least half way erm but it was so obviously the voice of erm freud, clement freud +came in half way through it, at least half way erm but it was so obviously the voice of erm freud, clement freud mm. -talking and he was telling about a visit he had paid to china for a whole week +talking and he was telling about a visit he had paid to china for a whole week mm. -and how he'd seen prison and er they'd said they hadn't any prisons but he found one and erm hospitals and all that sort of thing and at the end of the week's visit erm one of the very high ups, whom he named and i've forgotten the name of him, i think i'll just use that, thank you erm sent for h he, he was brought before him as it were and the man said to him are there any questions er at the end of your week that you want to ask and he said well perhaps there is one he said erm winston churchill was here erm a month or two, a few months ago +and how he'd seen prison and er they'd said they hadn't any prisons but he found one and erm hospitals and all that sort of thing and at the end of the week's visit erm one of the very high ups, whom he named and i've forgotten the name of him, i think i'll just use that, thank you erm sent for h he, he was brought before him as it were and the man said to him are there any questions er at the end of your week that you want to ask and he said well perhaps there is one he said erm winston churchill was here erm a month or two, a few months ago mm. -and he also, he like me stayed in the and he named the hotel in +and he also, he like me stayed in the and he named the hotel in mm. -peking he said can you tell me why his room was larger than mine +peking he said can you tell me why his room was larger than mine mm. -and his room had three windows erm and i, mine only had two +and his room had three windows erm and i, mine only had two mm. -he said in spite of the fact that i've been in parliament for longer than he has, which surprised me cos i wouldn't have thought so this is the young winston churchill of course so the chinese man said to him erm oh well the reason for that was that he had a famous grandfather -and so clement freud said, not to him but now on this programme this morning, that's the first time i've ever been de-grandfathered +he said in spite of the fact that i've been in parliament for longer than he has, which surprised me cos i wouldn't have thought so this is the young winston churchill of course so the chinese man said to him erm oh well the reason for that was that he had a famous grandfather +and so clement freud said, not to him but now on this programme this morning, that's the first time i've ever been de-grandfathered that was rather nice wasn't it? presumably his grandfather was sigmund freud was it? yes. @@ -17673,9 +17656,9 @@ no i shouldn't think the chinese have got much time for that sort of approach to i don't think they have either. i don't think they'd have been impressed even if he'd told them no. -erm did you see that th they're, they're going to look for some sort of gene called the churchill factor? +erm did you see that th they're, they're going to look for some sort of gene called the churchill factor? no. -well they want to find out why it is that someone who smoked so much and drank so much +well they want to find out why it is that someone who smoked so much and drank so much mm! had to live so long. yes. @@ -17691,31 +17674,31 @@ there must be something though enid. mm there must be. his father was a very weak man wasn't he? yes. -his mother was a character but +his mother was a character but she was not nice. not nice but she had a strong character. mm. but his this reminds me mm? -might i just say this darling cos i've just remembered, i'll forget senile you see? -erm we have a video of the last programme of the churchill series +might i just say this darling cos i've just remembered, i'll forget senile you see? +erm we have a video of the last programme of the churchill series mm? erm which a friend in london very kindly made for us because we were out with her, her mother mm. and couldn't see it mm. -and erm joan's video has gone wrong in some way +and erm joan's video has gone wrong in some way really? yes, she doesn't know how to work it to begin with but she was working -she was working on that, of course we don't know a thing about it, erm and the make, the erm the handyman chap came along and took a part away, it was faulty +she was working on that, of course we don't know a thing about it, erm and the make, the erm the handyman chap came along and took a part away, it was faulty mm. so we can't see it. do you want to come and see it on mine? i was going, i'm getting round to that you see aren't i? mhm. -erm we feel rather badly about not returning it to this person who made it for us +erm we feel rather badly about not returning it to this person who made it for us mm? because it's now a fortnight since we had it i think mm. @@ -17724,7 +17707,7 @@ may we do that? mm, sure. but when, that's not going to disturb you? don't know. -erm let's think. +erm let's think. tomorrow morning? no. i'm taking, i'm going to london tomorrow afternoon, i @@ -17736,68 +17719,68 @@ yes. well tomorrow, what happens to you tomorrow? is it your lazy day when you yes. -mm well we won't see it tom we'll keep it another week keep it another week i'll get my diary. +mm well we won't see it tom we'll keep it another week keep it another week i'll get my diary. i'll get my diary, can't talk without a diary. okay. -we can't do it next saturday because erm we've got two people, a scotsman married to a chinese +we can't do it next saturday because erm we've got two people, a scotsman married to a chinese yes. coming to spend saturday. mm. so that's a dead day for next week. -and might be able to do it before the weekend perhaps -yeah think so, i'm just when does noel get back from london? +and might be able to do it before the weekend perhaps +yeah think so, i'm just when does noel get back from london? erm hoping monday evening. he's going to see mr . he has a little bit of a scratchiness in one of his eyes mm? -erm and phoned up and sort of semi made an appointment, not exactly +erm and phoned up and sort of semi made an appointment, not exactly mhm. -erm because mr was abroad and the girl said well i mean come in on monday, when he'll be back +erm because mr was abroad and the girl said well i mean come in on monday, when he'll be back mm. and he may be able to see you then. yeah. -so come monday morning, sunday night in fact, noel said gosh i can this is, this seems to have gone light. +so come monday morning, sunday night in fact, noel said gosh i can this is, this seems to have gone light. we've got some ointment from the doctor which didn't work last time he put it out mm. and seems to have worked this time. so he said i can't go along and bother a busy man when it's feeling much better. mm. -so erm he didn't go +so erm he didn't go mm. -but he got a phone call on the tuesday from mr 's secretary to say oh mr would like to see you anyway because er he feels it may have erm it was a letter, i'm sorry, which came +but he got a phone call on the tuesday from mr 's secretary to say oh mr would like to see you anyway because er he feels it may have erm it was a letter, i'm sorry, which came mm. -in case it has any bearing on any difficulty you might have in the future so he's to go down +in case it has any bearing on any difficulty you might have in the future so he's to go down so he's got an appointment? -mm monday morning. +mm monday morning. and then he's going to call at sotherby's. -do you know sotherby's are the most dilettante people you've ever come across, they really are. +do you know sotherby's are the most dilettante people you've ever come across, they really are. mm. -with the exception of the one erm section leader that he deals with normally. -at the beginning of this week a girl phoned up and said that erm the chap he normally deals with is away +with the exception of the one erm section leader that he deals with normally. +at the beginning of this week a girl phoned up and said that erm the chap he normally deals with is away mm. -but there's an organ is sussex they want him to look at and erm so he said well send me a photograph er they've got a photograph of it you see +but there's an organ is sussex they want him to look at and erm so he said well send me a photograph er they've got a photograph of it you see mm. send the photograph and that gives me an idea whether it's worth going to look at it at all. that i think was about tuesday. mhm. it never came. -this is what they do, they phone up asking +this is what they do, they phone up asking they could have they could have even faxed it. -mm well we haven't got a fax. +mm well we haven't got a fax. oh no. -but the thing is, what they do tend to do is, they suddenly find themselves in a panic because they've behaved like this about it and the person at the other end is shouting when are you coming to see this organ +but the thing is, what they do tend to do is, they suddenly find themselves in a panic because they've behaved like this about it and the person at the other end is shouting when are you coming to see this organ mm. i was talking about how dilatory s er sotherby's are. oh. yes but i know the thing dear no well of course they're not, they're not in a businesslike business are they? -no not really, no. +no not really, no. and i wonder if it seems to be that they prefer you come out of the upper drawer than come up with your brilliant a levels or whatever. they do, yes. mm. exactly that. mm. -they are erm a very, you know one, one of the last bastions where those sort of people can find a refuge. +they are erm a very, you know one, one of the last bastions where those sort of people can find a refuge. yes. i suppose so. i find them @@ -17808,28 +17791,28 @@ she works in art galleries or, or some art gallery or some art gallery. yeah. mm. -and the man she's marrying is an art gallery. +and the man she's marrying is an art gallery. so he is. that's right. so he is. -there has to be space for these people though somehow i always feel that they cream it all the same. +there has to be space for these people though somehow i always feel that they cream it all the same. mm i think they do cream it, yes. -oh that's +oh that's well du during next week is what we think noel. pardon? -during next week erm i'm just trying to think, i've got very heavy days on monday and tuesday so -wednesday's a possibility then in that case. -er let's shall, can we leave it open? +during next week erm i'm just trying to think, i've got very heavy days on monday and tuesday so +wednesday's a possibility then in that case. +er let's shall, can we leave it open? mhm, certainly. and then we'll arrange it with you, mm? yes. -erm i don't know whether i think post rather erm er i see i'm not going to london after erm after this week +erm i don't know whether i think post rather erm er i see i'm not going to london after erm after this week ooh. oh you're going to be making some of your special coffee are you love? i am indeed. ooh er how's your barn proceeding? -don't know, it doesn't seem to be doing anything and what the was that during the week when was in residence one night the dogs barked and he went out to see what was happening and there was a young man who worked in it this was in the pitch dark, was up there taking some of his stuff away. +don't know, it doesn't seem to be doing anything and what the was that during the week when was in residence one night the dogs barked and he went out to see what was happening and there was a young man who worked in it this was in the pitch dark, was up there taking some of his stuff away. oh. oh. so i wonder. @@ -17846,11 +17829,11 @@ oh i see, yes. but that's, that's only a guess though i don't know. you mean the young man who actually owns it or the man who's employed working on it? -well i don't know who exactly owns it +well i don't know who exactly owns it yes. but the man who has been doing the work there who said he owned it oh i know, oh. -but the, the lady who was erm what's her name daughter, she used to live in the erm erm live in the terraced house erm +but the, the lady who was erm what's her name daughter, she used to live in the erm erm live in the terraced house erm what jo ? mrs what? you mean? @@ -17858,27 +17841,27 @@ no er the people before them. the ? what? the ? -yes, ann 's daughter +yes, ann 's daughter mhm. who's got the farm up at mhm. -and there's a there's a farm for sale opposite there, you never saw such a wreck in all your life. +and there's a there's a farm for sale opposite there, you never saw such a wreck in all your life. oh it is a wreck. yes. yes it really is. yes. i think the vogue is dying isn't it? yes. -erm they're being much stricter about what you can do to them. +erm they're being much stricter about what you can do to them. erm. and how you do it perhaps. and how you do it and everything, yes. -i think that erm across the road from me he's just mucked around. +i think that erm across the road from me he's just mucked around. yes. he hasn't done things in the sort of, you know, the preferred way. that was the sign from the beginning wasn't it? yes. -and he hasn't had building inspections at the right sorts of times. +and he hasn't had building inspections at the right sorts of times. ah. so i think he's going to find himself in a lot of trouble. that's good. @@ -17891,9 +17874,9 @@ i agree. across the road from me. that what? wirenetting fence across the road. -yes it is wretched. +yes it is wretched. cos it's so close to the road, it doesn't give me any swinging round room -well actually if he's +well actually if he's on my side of the road. if he's having problems mm? @@ -17908,15 +17891,15 @@ oh. i've go i've got some coal in the coal shed and it, you know,i it sort of lasts me. oh. i never seem to run out. -because if you had old er what's his name? +because if you had old er what's his name? don . -don , 's man er if you explained the bother +don , 's man er if you explained the bother mhm. -er he would back his with a little encouragement from me he'd back his lorry right into it and flatten it for you. -darling he's a very nice man. +er he would back his with a little encouragement from me he'd back his lorry right into it and flatten it for you. +darling he's a very nice man. i know he is, that's why he'd do it. well unfortunately if, if i did have a delivery of coal it would come in through the other entrance. -oh that needn't prevent you from backing in er backing into it when he turns round. +oh that needn't prevent you from backing in er backing into it when he turns round. no it's been, it's been a tough week this last week. oh dear. i'm sorry. @@ -17924,34 +17907,34 @@ i feel very sorry for people who have to work for their living now, i really do. mm. yes. oh we've got something else have we? -i thought +i thought yes we've got a little bit of israel haven't you? a bit of israel? yes. -we had a box of oranges sent to us from israel +we had a box of oranges sent to us from israel oh i see direct to me mm. friends of ours there. -actually it's george 's son. +actually it's george 's son. mhm. -my wife's +my wife's hello ian, oh i was hoping that you'd come and see us. yes. that's wonderful. to see you. -i'm just getting, will you tea? +i'm just getting, will you tea? yes, i'd love one. thank you. right i'll just get that. well how are things going? yes business okay -mm no +mm no no? oh dear dear dear not at all, no. -is old alright? -just about yes yes. +is old alright? +just about yes yes. that must be worrying, a lot of people feel like that don't they? yes. no it's, it's been a very bad eighteen months er @@ -17960,19 +17943,19 @@ cos the, the business that i was what? the business i was a director of yes? -er last year went into receivership +er last year went into receivership oh lord. in january ooh. -now does that have a er i, i know you lose the income but does it, does it penalize you at all? +now does that have a er i, i know you lose the income but does it, does it penalize you at all? yes it does. oh dear. yes. -yeah we've had er the d t i investigating +yeah we've had er the d t i investigating oh lord. cos it was quite a big company. oh. -but erm it just er hopefully because yeah but really they're just trying to investigate to make sure that we didn't act fraudulently in any way. +but erm it just er hopefully because yeah but really they're just trying to investigate to make sure that we didn't act fraudulently in any way. oh yes. oh good. i mean i don't suppose @@ -17980,37 +17963,37 @@ which, which we didn't. you know it was the it was the downturn that erm yes, ooh -you know that started nineteen nineteen ninety one. +you know that started nineteen nineteen ninety one. what was the business what er did you do? in, in advertising. advertising oh yes. an advertising agency. oh. yeah. -but about a third of the top agencies in our sector all went bust in +but about a third of the top agencies in our sector all went bust in good god. in the last eighteen months. cos living up here privately in retirement one doesn't realize these things. -i mean er unemployment in er white collar management area is, is, is very marked now. +i mean er unemployment in er white collar management area is, is, is very marked now. is it? -yeah it's yes. +yeah it's yes. yes it's really affect affected our, our businesses. there's so many areas that have contracted so much. -yes and i it's a, it's long erm +yes and i it's a, it's long erm it is, yes. -process +process yes. affects everything. but, you know, things are going okay. -but you, you managing just, just to hold on +but you, you managing just, just to hold on just about yes. yeah. cos as you know ben's in hong kong yes?yes. -he's suddenly swapping from the police to er security in a big bank. +he's suddenly swapping from the police to er security in a big bank. oh fascinating. oh. -erm i, i suppose it'll be a couple of years before he does that but +erm i, i suppose it'll be a couple of years before he does that but well, yes. yes. cos he signed up for five, five years didn't he? @@ -18018,7 +18001,7 @@ he signed up for three years with an option mm to do another two. oh i see, yes. -and i think he's going to work out the other two and then go on to this forget the name of it at the moment, this bank +and i think he's going to work out the other two and then go on to this forget the name of it at the moment, this bank mm. and er but he doesn't want to come back to england. no i was sorry i missed him when he came over last year. @@ -18033,7 +18016,7 @@ yes. such a shame. edmund is still in his job. aha. -he still hasn't got naturalization but he seems to be fairly erm fairly secure. +he still hasn't got naturalization but he seems to be fairly erm fairly secure. he's a journalist of course. yes. is he confident that he'll get the naturalization? @@ -18043,18 +18026,18 @@ yes. w will that be this year or does it take much longer? you can never tell really? -never tell, a girl we know went over at the same time as he did got it this year. +never tell, a girl we know went over at the same time as he did got it this year. really? but er it's just the luck of the draw, it all depends upon the temper of the particular official that's handling it i think. yes. -i'll give you a funny article he wrote before you go. +i'll give you a funny article he wrote before you go. oh i'd like to see that. -but er i'm just trying to think now er ben er the trouble with it is, edmund can't leave the country whilst he's in a job until he gets naturalization because he's got to get a work permit and an entry permit and everything all the way through +but er i'm just trying to think now er ben er the trouble with it is, edmund can't leave the country whilst he's in a job until he gets naturalization because he's got to get a work permit and an entry permit and everything all the way through right. -and again er with the present state of unemployment in america it's unlikely he would get it. +and again er with the present state of unemployment in america it's unlikely he would get it. it's very difficult. yes. -but he, he managed to get his extension to his permit because he had these english connections and the paper he was on reckoned that he was very valuable to them and so they +but he, he managed to get his extension to his permit because he had these english connections and the paper he was on reckoned that he was very valuable to them and so they good. they held him. good. @@ -18063,21 +18046,21 @@ are your wife and family well? yes. they're happy with you are they? yes they are, yes. -i wouldn't er bestow them er on you even for a short visit though. +i wouldn't er bestow them er on you even for a short visit though. oh don't be silly. the er the s the small one is er oh you've got two have you? -yes he's a real handful. +yes he's a real handful. is he? oh dear dear yes. dear dear. -yeah he's er he's nearly two and it's a er they're trying times. +yeah he's er he's nearly two and it's a er they're trying times. i've had it five times. yes. we're expecting another one in june. are you really? -you +you that'll be that'll be the third. but i had five. every @@ -18092,17 +18075,17 @@ would you? what because of the financial position? yes. oh dear oh dear -so er we'll have to wait we're, we're er we've put an offer in, in on a house in weybridge +so er we'll have to wait we're, we're er we've put an offer in, in on a house in weybridge oh yes? in surrey. -erm not particularly because we, we wanted to go to weybridge but er +erm not particularly because we, we wanted to go to weybridge but er cos travelling's expensive isn't it? it is actually. fifteen hundred pounds for twenty five minutes' journey to waterloo. but it's got a huge garden which with the two boys i think will be marvellous. oh yes. -it's very unusual for a even in a, a suburban er +it's very unusual for a even in a, a suburban er yes. area. huge garden. @@ -18110,16 +18093,16 @@ i know weybridge slightly. do you? oh. mm. -erm but will you make, be able to make much profit on the on your old chiswick house to be able to buy the weybridge one, will that be an economic move? -erm we save quite a lot er which is what we're trying to do, yes. +erm but will you make, be able to make much profit on the on your old chiswick house to be able to buy the weybridge one, will that be an economic move? +erm we save quite a lot er which is what we're trying to do, yes. oh good, yes. -erm and it's er it's a good area for schools +erm and it's er it's a good area for schools it is a good area for schools, mm. a a and er it's you know a reasonable community as a matter of fact i knew an old couple that ran a, had a nursery school there, a big one and a very successful one. yes i imagine it, it would be. for a number of years they did have but er -it's a shame about le leaving hounslow where chiswick is +it's a shame about le leaving hounslow where chiswick is yes. because they provide nursery places. and @@ -18129,23 +18112,23 @@ oh yes. whereas surrey doesn't until they're five. oh dear. so we'll have to put them -even if they don't you can sometimes find that if you get behind the scenes that there is a way of doing it. +even if they don't you can sometimes find that if you get behind the scenes that there is a way of doing it. yes. yes. got to spin a hard luck story, something of that sort. yeah. yes. -but erm we're very lucky where we are. +but erm we're very lucky where we are. the state schools are very good. are they, in chiswick? they do seem very good. very pleased with them. but erm it's difficult living in london now. -the erm you really are aware, i don't know if you get up to london much? +the erm you really are aware, i don't know if you get up to london much? do occasionally, yes. -yes but the erm the atmosphere +yes but the erm the atmosphere oh i hate london, it's awful. -chris christmas day i had a real chest erm and mouth and everything. +chris christmas day i had a real chest erm and mouth and everything. i can quite believe it. and it's erm it's so oppressive and we really worry about it with the children. yes well i can see that, mm. @@ -18180,14 +18163,14 @@ no thank you. oh good lad. oh yes john s came back from japan really? -they, he built a large organ university of or +they, he built a large organ university of or yes, yes. -and er he was back there ten days ago for some or other to see another customer and when he came, only got back into the country on monday or tuesday +and er he was back there ten days ago for some or other to see another customer and when he came, only got back into the country on monday or tuesday aha. -beginning of this week and then today i've had a letter from an architect friend in america suggesting he gets in touch with an architect in for another job +beginning of this week and then today i've had a letter from an architect friend in america suggesting he gets in touch with an architect in for another job yes, yes. i'm taking it down to him tomorrow. -but he's he's got work in there to come. +but he's he's got work in there to come. he's going to build a new organ for chelmsford cathedral. oh that's good a new one for st john's college cambridge, he's really quite busy. @@ -18206,7 +18189,7 @@ that's good. he said he didn't bring the children because he thought that we were too old for them. i think we're, i'm too old for my children, well the smallest one. how lovely. -harry is a a nightmare. +harry is a a nightmare. he's a real is he? handful. @@ -18224,7 +18207,7 @@ you're looking very fit anyway. oh that's kind of you. well we keep busy don't we darling? ya. -and erm we just love it here of course +and erm we just love it here of course mm. so we've got nothing to grumble about at all really. ian was saying how @@ -18238,7 +18221,7 @@ yeah. that'll be nice. i, i think so. yes. -it's not it's not out of choice entirely because er the business that i was has, has gone very very badly over the last eighteen months +it's not it's not out of choice entirely because er the business that i was has, has gone very very badly over the last eighteen months do you mean that type of business or that particular firm? both. oh. @@ -18246,8 +18229,8 @@ yeah. but the particular firm i was a director of went into receivership oh dear. beginning of last year, it was about -oh that's -a year ago now and erm so er i mean fortunately it was bought er as a going concern +oh that's +a year ago now and erm so er i mean fortunately it was bought er as a going concern good. erm but everyone's financial position er suffered as a result. yes. @@ -18256,19 +18239,19 @@ so i'm not as, on as good a contract. you're not? no. no. -but them i'm lucky to have have a job really. -well i mean these were the kind of jobs that weren't replaceable weren't they really? +but them i'm lucky to have have a job really. +well i mean these were the kind of jobs that weren't replaceable weren't they really? well in a slump. yes that's it. i mean there's so little business around that erm that's right. so -it was, it was somewhat a good thing that somebody was prepared to buy it. +it was, it was somewhat a good thing that somebody was prepared to buy it. yeah. -now i'll pull this forward a bit erm ian +now i'll pull this forward a bit erm ian sorry is this your seat? -and no it isn't, no no no, not at all. +and no it isn't, no no no, not at all. now i'm going to leave those there yes. alright @@ -18278,9 +18261,9 @@ that's the thing. i'm going to sit quite near to you because i can hear better when i do. right. so. -erm so this means that the house that you were so er happy with and have you continued to be happy with it? +erm so this means that the house that you were so er happy with and have you continued to be happy with it? yes. -erm in er forgotten +erm in er forgotten in chiswick. in chiswick yes. @@ -18293,20 +18276,20 @@ mm but well this is life when you're young. i i it is really. -yeah i mean we we're fatalistic about it, it's i, i think it is only a, a phase. +yeah i mean we we're fatalistic about it, it's i, i think it is only a, a phase. yes. things will change. yes. -i'm sure we've learnt er i've learnt er business er er secures as a result of it +i'm sure we've learnt er i've learnt er business er er secures as a result of it yes. -erm so positive about it. +erm so positive about it. yes. it's the only way to be really isn't it? well yeah yes. have you got a house ready for you in erm weybridge? well we're buying it from an ol elderly chap mm. -erm he's been in it twenty years and er he's had it on the market for some time. +erm he's been in it twenty years and er he's had it on the market for some time. it m probably not as long as a year but it's quite a while mm. er and he's accepted our offer @@ -18317,11 +18300,11 @@ er which i can understand really. you, one gets very fond of a house really. i think he's he's split up with his wife oh. -although he must be sixty odd erm and it's obviously a very difficult time for him. +although he must be sixty odd erm and it's obviously a very difficult time for him. yes. erm so he's keeping us in limbo really yes. -which is a bit infuriating cos er alison's due our third in +which is a bit infuriating cos er alison's due our third in my! at the end of june oh. @@ -18343,36 +18326,36 @@ places to rent alright? yes you can actually, yes. yes. mm yes, do help yourself ian. -erm so where would he be meaning to go if he does let you +erm so where would he be meaning to go if he does let you he wants to move down to a smaller house in weybridge. yes. er which we're told shouldn't be difficult to find. er no no. so erm, you know, hopefully that will be the case. mm. -but erm i don't think he er realizes how difficult it is +but erm i don't think he er realizes how difficult it is no. to set up no. -a move and that really he's quite fortunate to have a buyer somewhere within the price he wanted. +a move and that really he's quite fortunate to have a buyer somewhere within the price he wanted. indeed. -cos we've all you know, we've all not got as much for our houses as we want +cos we've all you know, we've all not got as much for our houses as we want no that's very true. that's true. mm. oh well let's hope that he will. -i mean the thing is at the age of sixty he has no conception of what it's like to be your age at this period. +i mean the thing is at the age of sixty he has no conception of what it's like to be your age at this period. mm. well, you know, he hasn't bought a hou sold a house within the last ten years mhm mm which we've done a number of times yes. -and it's not a pleasant it's a very stressful business. +and it's not a pleasant it's a very stressful business. i'm sure i'm sure it is. i don't know how we escaped it so much but we have you see. because we lived on the business, that was mm. -er a foregone conclusion and we never sought to move from there until he retired did we? +er a foregone conclusion and we never sought to move from there until he retired did we? mm. no. so one doesn't know er exactly what it's like to do it. @@ -18388,24 +18371,24 @@ oh i see, so they're nice spaces. yes there'll be two years between all of them. yes. yes. -so which alison feels is erm er you know the right sort of time +so which alison feels is erm er you know the right sort of time ideal really. for her yes. which is obviously important. yes. -and erm they haven't had thomas doesn't remember not having harry around +and erm they haven't had thomas doesn't remember not having harry around that's nice. -whereas we've got friends who've got older children well a little bit there's, yeah, three or four years between +whereas we've got friends who've got older children well a little bit there's, yeah, three or four years between mm. -and they get er old enough to be er quite er happy that they're on you know,c centre of attention +and they get er old enough to be er quite er happy that they're on you know,c centre of attention exactly. which er thomas hasn't. it sours the relationship a bit. yeah it does a bit. yes aha. mm. -ah well i i is this going to be, if it's a boy is this going to be a benjamin? +ah well i i is this going to be, if it's a boy is this going to be a benjamin? i don't know actually. could be. you've got two boys @@ -18424,9 +18407,9 @@ mm really? i'd, it's funny because i always wanted a girl mm. -but now i, i wouldn't know, i don't feel i'd know what to do -mm well this is just how ruth was. -yes +but now i, i wouldn't know, i don't feel i'd know what to do +mm well this is just how ruth was. +yes got no choice. mm. no that's right. @@ -18465,7 +18448,7 @@ oh lovely. that's nice isn't it? children, yes it's great. mm. -so ruth i think as far as, barring accidents, will regard that as being her final +so ruth i think as far as, barring accidents, will regard that as being her final right. they live in wells oh do they? @@ -18474,8 +18457,8 @@ mm. yes. oh lovely. i don't know that area but -and they no they're very happy there . -so that's them. +and they no they're very happy there . +so that's them. and i gather john's doing well. yes john is doing well, he's got three children too. he's ooh @@ -18491,17 +18474,17 @@ mm yes nice kids. mm. and of course margaret's not erm inclined for marriage, she loves her job. no, yeah. -and erm i think she'll be she'll, she'll probably stay single unless +and erm i think she'll be she'll, she'll probably stay single unless mhm she meets some nice old man. yeah. wh and where's margaret working? -she's now at erm one of the girls public day school trust schools in sydenham. +she's now at erm one of the girls public day school trust schools in sydenham. oh. sydenham high school. mm. -sydenham high school for girls. -her dream really is to be teaching at city of london school +sydenham high school for girls. +her dream really is to be teaching at city of london school mm. and erm i'm ho we're hoping that she might mm. @@ -18511,8 +18494,8 @@ very secure. and she and your mother seems keeping quite well. yes, yes she is. -she had a bad er flu over christmas -when she was due to come and she's still got a very bad chest +she had a bad er flu over christmas +when she was due to come and she's still got a very bad chest mm. oh i'm sorry to hear that, oh. but er @@ -18520,17 +18503,17 @@ that's the bit that hangs on always yes. isn't it? mm. -yes i saw her, i went up to i went to keep fit with her +yes i saw her, i went up to i went to keep fit with her oh you did? good. and er good. -although i didn't last tuesday, i did the tuesday before and she seemed +although i didn't last tuesday, i did the tuesday before and she seemed mhm to be getting back on her feet alright. mm. ah -she says she's much better +she says she's much better mm. and what about hamish? mhm. @@ -18551,7 +18534,7 @@ it's not a priority. priority yes. mm. mm. -so erm but they se they seem to be working out okay. +so erm but they se they seem to be working out okay. mm. they've taken somebody else on so things can't be that bad have they? @@ -18560,7 +18543,7 @@ oh good. mhm. er alec is a re another real handful. is he? -he's a year younger than thomas but he was the same height +he's a year younger than thomas but he was the same height mm. and er sort of wild curly hair and oh really? @@ -18585,19 +18568,19 @@ well he is. mm. he's quite slow as a result, which is quite common apparently is it? -with er children who are brought up with both languages. +with er children who are brought up with both languages. mm. mm. -erm bec they don't speak either very well to start off with. +erm bec they don't speak either very well to start off with. and how old is he did you say? -he's two and a half +he's two and a half oh well it's early. it's such an advantage to them later on i think. oh well a absolutely yes. mm. -er he because toni, hamish's wife +er he because toni, hamish's wife mm -is half french so +is half french so is she? i'm, i'm sure he'll her pick up get three. @@ -18610,7 +18593,7 @@ mm. course it does. yeah. yes but in the end it does seem to work. -i was always a bit doubtful about it +i was always a bit doubtful about it mm. erm er you know, whether it could vu confuse children or not but in fact it doesn't seem to with john's children does it? no no. @@ -18622,11 +18605,11 @@ yes. mhm. and they use both languages quite freely. mm. -in fact she gets rather uptight because erm during the year at school when they're speaking english most of the time +in fact she gets rather uptight because erm during the year at school when they're speaking english most of the time yes. which is very natural, and so she ships them off to germany to the relatives to put them straight. -aye +aye that's quite right i think because it is a good, good thing. that's right. well it is. @@ -18654,27 +18637,27 @@ bound to use anything they can mm. er any angle they can get, get a grip of. yes. -but er yes, no it is th i mean they had a lot of business from banks and areas like that +but er yes, no it is th i mean they had a lot of business from banks and areas like that yes. which of course have lost a lot of money in the last year or two. that's right of course. they have, they will be drawing back on most things. yeah. -but in fact they're the people aren't they who need bilingual people on the staff? +but in fact they're the people aren't they who need bilingual people on the staff? yes they are. they're much, much better. -i mean y er you know, although they're in recession i, i think there's you know in this country +i mean y er you know, although they're in recession i, i think there's you know in this country mm. -we we're owned now, our company, by a french agency group and erm none of our directors are, are learning french. +we we're owned now, our company, by a french agency group and erm none of our directors are, are learning french. isn't it extraordinary. -and yet you've got people who run restaurants, small businesses of that sort erm just general businessmen who want, you know, know they have to speak english. +and yet you've got people who run restaurants, small businesses of that sort erm just general businessmen who want, you know, know they have to speak english. mm. and they're just doing it as a matter of course over there. yes. they all seem to have more drive than our people, what's the matter with us? it's certainly in the, in that area, it's the cosmopolitan business mm. -attitude er and also it's complacency because we can +attitude er and also it's complacency because we can yes. you can get away with it. you know all the meetings @@ -18687,7 +18670,7 @@ mm. erm so there's, there's not enough incentive there. no. and i have to say that er i don't. -but i, i, i i ou really i, i know i'll have to be thrown into the situation of having to do it +but i, i, i i ou really i, i know i'll have to be thrown into the situation of having to do it you'd better get on with it and do it now. yes. but of course the beauty of it is you've done it at school haven't you? @@ -18702,9 +18685,9 @@ didn't you? was useless for languages when i was there. was it? yes absolutely hopeless. -we never did any trips of that nature at all actually. +we never did any trips of that nature at all actually. and what was the teaching system? -er had they by the time you were still at school come on to that new erm er system where you speak a lot more? +er had they by the time you were still at school come on to that new erm er system where you speak a lot more? no. no. you've done it out of grammar books? @@ -18716,10 +18699,10 @@ mm. it was, yeah vocabulary tests and that sort of thing which mm. mm. -you know er well it's er it's a middle ages approach to +you know er well it's er it's a middle ages approach to well actually the one thing you can say about it is, it is a good grounding for what you now go on and do mm. -because erm wherever you go now for refresher lessons, they will use the modern method. +because erm wherever you go now for refresher lessons, they will use the modern method. yeah. and that's, that will build on that foundation. yes. @@ -18739,17 +18722,17 @@ made no connection at all. mm. because i knew a lot of nouns and a lot of verbs, i could get by when i went to algeria in mm. -nineteen forty but it was i envied those who could really speak. +nineteen forty but it was i envied those who could really speak. yeah. mm. -but erm if you see some officer floundering for the word for a cabbage or something of that sort i could provide the word and he provided the conversation. +but erm if you see some officer floundering for the word for a cabbage or something of that sort i could provide the word and he provided the conversation. yes. mm. yes. -well actually you're going to a centre aren't you er in where there will be evening classes and that sort of opportunity? +well actually you're going to a centre aren't you er in where there will be evening classes and that sort of opportunity? yes. i think probably -it's, it's it's well erm served for for +it's, it's it's well erm served for for mm i would imagine it's quite well led. mm. ya. @@ -18760,20 +18743,20 @@ i'll have to give up my art classes then which is art? haven't been doing them recently but when i've been able to get a, er an evening away that's what i mm mm. -spend my time doing over the past few years. +spend my time doing over the past few years. yes but will it rule it out altogether do you think if you've got to do the french? well a alison goes out for one evening so that means i have to get back early for that evening mm. and then if i, i go out for another one, that means two evening evenings back yes. -leaving the office at five thirty on the dot and of course +leaving the office at five thirty on the dot and of course yes. i, i can't do that more than twice a week. no. no i see. your work itself is going to take more time than that. well yes. -is that just at first or is it regularly? +is that just at first or is it regularly? no i mean it's, it's always been the case. mm. mm. @@ -18783,14 +18766,14 @@ it's tough really. it is tough. it's very erratic the work as well, it's it's yes, is it? -very, you know, stop start +very, you know, stop start yes. is it still advertising? yes. yes. yeah. you must be pretty good at that by now. -well i've got quite a lot of experience i mean i've +well i've got quite a lot of experience i mean i've yes you have. i've done it since i was, well it's getting on for fifteen years now. it isn't? @@ -18813,15 +18796,15 @@ mm. unless you're forced to switch er horses, you know in, in mid stream. yeah. well i i i always say that er it always comes a surprise that i was good at anything. -and i always think back to the er the time i think edmund and i were sitting in the back garden here and deciding that we'd go off and join the paratroopers +and i always think back to the er the time i think edmund and i were sitting in the back garden here and deciding that we'd go off and join the paratroopers really? -because we weren't going to get any o levels. +because we weren't going to get any o levels. oh! -and that was about all we were good for . +and that was about all we were good for . i'm sorry. how funny. but in fact you did get your o levels didn't you? -so i remember well i got a handful +so i remember well i got a handful yes i remember mm. and edmund got a b a. @@ -18830,24 +18813,24 @@ ah but wait a minute, not until after that was it? yes. he got his o levels but that was it. yes. -decided he'd had enough and i suppose you had too. +decided he'd had enough and i suppose you had too. mm well did you stay on for as? yes i did. mm. -but again i you know i always had the ability to er to know, to scrape by +but again i you know i always had the ability to er to know, to scrape by yes. or knowing what the minimum required was and er pitching myself at just over that point i think. yes. -which i suppose is some sort of ability +which i suppose is some sort of ability well it's a it's a, in a way that's quite true. mm. yes it saves the er er the use of excess energy when you don't need to doesn't it? yes. that's right. ah. -edmund was lucky because he got this chance to do a university you see in +edmund was lucky because he got this chance to do a university you see in mm. in er new hampshire wasn't it? yes. @@ -18865,7 +18848,7 @@ yes. he'd so love to see people and of course at the moment mm. he daren't make trips, or at least it wouldn't be wise to make trips yet -i know, yes i know +i know, yes i know because he's waiting for his yes, naturalization. shame really. @@ -18875,8 +18858,8 @@ can i pour you another cup of tea ian? i'm fine actually, thank you. we've got photographs, recent ones, to show you anyway. oh good. -and we saw him in september october didn't we? -yes yes +and we saw him in september october didn't we? +yes yes end of september beginning of october good. and stayed @@ -18897,7 +18880,7 @@ yes and they're still in the same house. they they're yes. very fond of it. -and erm so now when we go they're awfully sweet and they bring edmund at the same time +and erm so now when we go they're awfully sweet and they bring edmund at the same time oh right. and we all three, noel and edmund and i, live in this barn. oh that's lovely. @@ -18922,7 +18905,7 @@ no i only met erm ellie ellie. very briefly as well. well it was summer, wasn't it? -yes er no it was april. +yes er no it was april. oh. april and the son and had they gone away then? @@ -18954,7 +18937,7 @@ dan is good. married. without any children -i remember dan but i +i remember dan but i oh yes dan's a dear boy. yes. and er we're very fond of them all. @@ -18962,17 +18945,17 @@ mm. and erm of course er it's just like second home to edmund. they are so good to him. yes. -i must say it's, it must be good to have somebody like that er +i must say it's, it must be good to have somebody like that er absolutely. -o over there cos it, it must be must have felt quite isolated +o over there cos it, it must be must have felt quite isolated yes. oh he would if he hadn't got them yes. certainly. yes. -i mean it's lovely because he er he adores to get into does edmund and that means that he and george go about this lovely big er grounds that they've +i mean it's lovely because he er he adores to get into does edmund and that means that he and george go about this lovely big er grounds that they've yes. -got and edmund does lots of grass cutting and er +got and edmund does lots of grass cutting and er tree cutting and all manner of things with mm. @@ -18982,7 +18965,7 @@ good. good. and of course he spends christmas. let me see, dan is the same age as john isn't he? -as ben, no edmund isn't he? +as ben, no edmund isn't he? erm i think he's a bit older. he's older. @@ -19005,11 +18988,11 @@ before they were married. really? yes. gosh. -yes dan must be i would have thought it's only months probably, but it might be quite a few months. +yes dan must be i would have thought it's only months probably, but it might be quite a few months. mm. mm i don't think it's more because we soon had, started having our children didn't we? mm. -erm ooh wait a minute we're saying, we're saying than edmund aren't we? +erm ooh wait a minute we're saying, we're saying than edmund aren't we? yes mm. of course, i'm stupid. he was the eldest of their children. @@ -19026,7 +19009,7 @@ that would line him up with edmund though wouldn't it? no yes no -no +no no, a couple of years you're quite right. mm? couple of years older i should think. @@ -19042,11 +19025,11 @@ he was so vague though. i mean i know he was delightfully vague -oh he's an absolutely -but i was never really sure what he was doing . +oh he's an absolutely +but i was never really sure what he was doing . no -er yes i i thought he had a shop, maybe yes -that's er he worked in a shop probably at that time. +er yes i i thought he had a shop, maybe yes +that's er he worked in a shop probably at that time. yes i think so yes. that's it, he worked in that er fancy goods shop that's right. @@ -19063,7 +19046,7 @@ the year before i married. eighty five. good heavens. was it really? -is that no, no eighty five that no eighty three, that's right, yes, nine years. +is that no, no eighty five that no eighty three, that's right, yes, nine years. was it? mm. yes. @@ -19085,7 +19068,7 @@ imagine. yes. yes. he of course is -ben's been all over the world since then +ben's been all over the world since then well yes. i know. i'm most envious of him i am. @@ -19101,8 +19084,8 @@ i'd better give it to you because he has right. changed it. i did bring my address book with me. -i'll go and i'll go and get it for you and do make yourself another tea -oh righto i'll just, excuse me a minute i'm +i'll go and i'll go and get it for you and do make yourself another tea +oh righto i'll just, excuse me a minute i'm yes of course you sit down, that's alright. right. @@ -19110,28 +19093,28 @@ oh yes. oh i see. the day before he left. mm. -is this on the sort of or something? -ah it's pretty, yes it's that sort of place +is this on the sort of or something? +ah it's pretty, yes it's that sort of place have you been to hong kong ? i haven't been to hong kong to see ben mhm. because, but i did go to hong kong when i went to china. oh you went to china, that's right, yeah. -that's right for three weeks and erm then i wasn't impressed by it, i was much more interested in china. +that's right for three weeks and erm then i wasn't impressed by it, i was much more interested in china. yes. -but i would, in a way, love to go whilst he's there but he er he really feels that it wouldn't be a place that would suit pa and me on holiday. +but i would, in a way, love to go whilst he's there but he er he really feels that it wouldn't be a place that would suit pa and me on holiday. mm. so i've heard that before. what love? -other people it's a noisy place. +other people it's a noisy place. it isn't it isn't nice but for the young well enid's been there i haven't. mm. it's nice for the young i think. as far as i've been is the airport. mm. -now can you see edmund's cos he changed +now can you see edmund's cos he changed you see it's a terrible erm well i'll go and get it, i've got it written down there in my place. well it's here darling @@ -19156,13 +19139,13 @@ are you happier standing? yes it's his that's alright . his back. -belinda if we can start with you more or less erm i heard the other day that you're half thinking that you might like to be a nurse? +belinda if we can start with you more or less erm i heard the other day that you're half thinking that you might like to be a nurse? yeah, that's it. that's right. mhm. can you speak up a bit. speak up a bit belinda! -what erm what sort of nurse are you thinking about? +what erm what sort of nurse are you thinking about? nursery nurse, looking after young children in nurseries and stuff like that. mhm. i can imagine you doing that. @@ -19171,8 +19154,8 @@ aha. mhm. i can. yes. -i'm going, for work experience i'm going to saxted ministry up there hopefully to see what it's like looking after children you know, like a nursery and everything. -so hopefully i can get the job there from that two weeks, and then +i'm going, for work experience i'm going to saxted ministry up there hopefully to see what it's like looking after children you know, like a nursery and everything. +so hopefully i can get the job there from that two weeks, and then that would be wonderful! what it's like. yeah. @@ -19183,54 +19166,54 @@ yeah, it's called rainbow. i think, isn't it? yeah. oh that's right, yes. -and is that for children who are living there or just go in for the day? +and is that for children who are living there or just go in for the day? just go in for the day till their parents go to work i think. mhm, oh good! i think it's something like that, yeah. aha. and what qualifications mus must you have for that? -erm, i don't really know at the moment, i gotta look up and see what it needs, like and things to do and study, things like that. +erm, i don't really know at the moment, i gotta look up and see what it needs, like and things to do and study, things like that. mhm. mm. mhm. good! -so probably gcse +so probably gcse right. mhm. -it's all to do with gcse coursework and see how we're getting on during the two weeks and we get experience for us when we leave school and go to work. +it's all to do with gcse coursework and see how we're getting on during the two weeks and we get experience for us when we leave school and go to work. that's a good idea! yeah. you get a feeling for it then. yeah. i think it's one of the best jobs for a girl that there are don't you? -well i think so, i think erm as long as they can go and work with children and then they've got the time when they can leave off and come, but it's having the whole time, well then they've children all their life haven't they? +well i think so, i think erm as long as they can go and work with children and then they've got the time when they can leave off and come, but it's having the whole time, well then they've children all their life haven't they? yes. -this is the only thing if you go sort of privately you know? +this is the only thing if you go sort of privately you know? yes. you can fe start of with children and you are finishing up with children! -well that well tha wo would tha would you not think that's a good thing? +well that well tha wo would tha would you not think that's a good thing? erm -i mean, for instance, if you do the the very high grade norlands nanny training they go on till they're grey and experienced it all +i mean, for instance, if you do the the very high grade norlands nanny training they go on till they're grey and experienced it all like me ! haven't they? well, you know i don't they? well yeah. would you feel you'd not want to do it all that time then belinda? -i don't really know actually, it's always +i don't really know actually, it's always can't yet. the time, no. that's true. i don't know but,that far ahead, you know. -just a good experience for her for time, you know. +just a good experience for her for time, you know. indeed! but i shouldn't want her do it all her life! you wouldn't? no. it's a very well paid job! oh yes, i know! -what about that, but i meant she gotta think about, she'll want children of own and then she'll have chi +what about that, but i meant she gotta think about, she'll want children of own and then she'll have chi yes. aren't you? aye liddy? @@ -19239,7 +19222,7 @@ but then don't you think that it's a, it's a marvellous training for her? that's what i say, it's a training, nice yes. -training for them, then say after about three or four year if they wanna get married, they got children and they got some good experience. +training for them, then say after about three or four year if they wanna get married, they got children and they got some good experience. absolutely! mm. it's invaluable. @@ -19248,36 +19231,36 @@ that can't be the kind of thing you're thinking of then? what do you want, what do you have er, in mind? i'd like to go into the farmer business. would you? -yeah, erm mixed farm with animals and sort of, cereal crops, stuff like that. +yeah, erm mixed farm with animals and sort of, cereal crops, stuff like that. good! well you're in the right place for that. yeah. would you got to an agricultural college? yeah, i'm hoping to go ockleigh whe why am i, get older. -sort of erm working on a farm for two days then going to the college erm that, so i do it like that. +sort of erm working on a farm for two days then going to the college erm that, so i do it like that. mm. it's a good place,ockleigh yeah. splendid! -and then, would you like to work in this area or would you like to go elsewhere? +and then, would you like to work in this area or would you like to go elsewhere? i don't know. -i hadn't really thought about it, it's erm it all depends on what farm i'm going on cos i've or erm cows an , cows and bullocks, you know. +i hadn't really thought about it, it's erm it all depends on what farm i'm going on cos i've or erm cows an , cows and bullocks, you know. mm. mm. and you won't have worked on a farm at all yet, will you? no. not yet. -though, go and sometimes and he's got bullocks so that's where i go, got it from. -and dave . +though, go and sometimes and he's got bullocks so that's where i go, got it from. +and dave . oh that's good! they got ponies haven't they yeah and mm mm. -these two erm, sort of mucking about . +these two erm, sort of mucking about . you think you'd quite like to be with animals would you? yeah. aha. -and i, i wouldn't mind doing some sort of a rou , some amount of work. +and i, i wouldn't mind doing some sort of a rou , some amount of work. yeah, what i mean, all round agricultural work and on your ? yeah. is that it? @@ -19291,10 +19274,10 @@ i'd have known that was your yeah. garden. because of all the trimmings. -well it's not very good this year aren't they? +well it's not very good this year aren't they? no, they're not very good at all! well bearing in mind -in fact , we're disappointed with it cos usually we have vegetables out of our own garden all the year round but they didn't do very well this year did they? +in fact , we're disappointed with it cos usually we have vegetables out of our own garden all the year round but they didn't do very well this year did they? no. it's why's that? @@ -19303,7 +19286,7 @@ it's a dry summer time. really! last summer time, i mean ah yes! -last year i was cutting cauliflowers weighing nearly five and seven pound, but this year i shan't have one weight two pound! +last year i was cutting cauliflowers weighing nearly five and seven pound, but this year i shan't have one weight two pound! is that because of the dry winter? yeah, dry is dry autumn too, you see. yes. @@ -19313,9 +19296,9 @@ they didn't really get a hold did they? they didn't get a hold, didn't get a start. really? aha. -see an a , i wouldn't like other people keep using the water cos they very careful on using the water +see an a , i wouldn't like other people keep using the water cos they very careful on using the water yes. -but if i'd have give it, had to give them some water they'd have done much better but i, like everybody else we kept hoping it were gonna rain,but ! +but if i'd have give it, had to give them some water they'd have done much better but i, like everybody else we kept hoping it were gonna rain,but ! that's right. yeah. and it never did at the right @@ -19335,18 +19318,18 @@ yeah. that's like the sprouts, they didn't do as well this year no. either did they? -no one ate the did they? +no one ate the did they? no. nor the cauliflow no. no. mm! -so erm well he you took the sprouts up yesterday didn't you? +so erm well he you took the sprouts up yesterday didn't you? and i put the other in. yeah. -they'd got erm but they weren't no good those ones dad. +they'd got erm but they weren't no good those ones dad. no, nope! -i mean the a normal week would go on a garden and get free vegetables every day off our garden couldn't we, normal time, normal, every time? +i mean the a normal week would go on a garden and get free vegetables every day off our garden couldn't we, normal time, normal, every time? every day of the year! gosh! you know the @@ -19357,14 +19340,14 @@ yeah. there's nothing like them is there? oh there isn't, no no! aha. -well, we'll probably pick some of the spinach today and then +well, we'll probably pick some of the spinach today and then yeah. -he's gotta dig that up and make the garden. +he's gotta dig that up and make the garden. yes. do you like gardening too, ben? ooh he love it! oh isn't that great! -because very often you, a father can be very keen on gardening and getting the children to help him is just the last thing. +because very often you, a father can be very keen on gardening and getting the children to help him is just the last thing. yeah ! well he's done ever since he was a little old boy, just yeah. @@ -19375,22 +19358,22 @@ got , we got some photographs yeah. here when he, where he started digging, he weren't very old! no. -yeah, erm when i started digging up i was smaller than the fork, the fork was, yes! +yeah, erm when i started digging up i was smaller than the fork, the fork was, yes! really? and they didn't buy you one the right size! no. way you do it at granny's. -yeah erm when i got a little older, i put these little forks in and when +yeah erm when i got a little older, i put these little forks in and when cos miss , ain't seen any of my family's have you? no, i haven't. that's my older sister. -died last august. +died last august. oh that's nice! that's my older sister yes. yes. yes. -that that little boy is o but +that that little boy is o but is he? and do they live near? fairly near? @@ -19402,11 +19385,11 @@ arborough arborough arborough man , is it ? yeah,arb , erm -what's her name of the farm, the innit? +what's her name of the farm, the innit? yeah. farm. farm,arborough -arborough is that in lincolnshire? +arborough is that in lincolnshire? no. no. er, norfolk. @@ -19427,7 +19410,7 @@ that's nice! and tha , and that's her husband look. oh yes, that's right. yes. -and this was their golden wedding? +and this was their golden wedding? yes, yes it was last last august. @@ -19445,14 +19428,14 @@ yes. house, yes. they've yes. -been there ooh well forty year i think. +been there ooh well forty year i think. really? mm. that's lovely! mm. -they've had the his father +they've had the his father lovely! -had a farm at and they sold that and moved to that one. +had a farm at and they sold that and moved to that one. really? yeah. and that's len's @@ -19464,7 +19447,7 @@ oh yeah. not long. not quite two years ago was it? no. -two years +two years that's all my brothers. ooh, look at that! he is the image! @@ -19476,14 +19459,14 @@ that's right. and then yeah. the girls are on there aren't they? -yeah, that's my sister the upper +yeah, that's my sister the upper oh yes! sister. yes. yes. and that's len's mother. she's now ninety four! -she's still alive is she? +she's still alive is she? yeah. ninety four! splendid! @@ -19498,10 +19481,10 @@ we went over sunday and see her. she looks very smart yeah. there doesn't she? -that's that's len's brother, the one who on that book graph. +that's that's len's brother, the one who on that book graph. oh yes, yes. -erm oh where's another one? -they old grace is sitting +erm oh where's another one? +they old grace is sitting and that's len. behind there yeah. @@ -19518,13 +19501,13 @@ three brother , no four brothers innit, you got? four brothers, yes. four brothers? yes. -so you were eight altogether? +so you were eight altogether? yeah , that's right, yes. yes but the oldest brother is dead now isn't he? oh yeah oldest brother's dead, yes he is he? yes he got -and that's where belinda's her, she's now got a little baby boy +and that's where belinda's her, she's now got a little baby boy oh, that's nice! three months old? yeah. @@ -19532,7 +19515,7 @@ or two months old? he's about eight weeks old. eight weeks? yeah. -oh they're just beginning to be i always feel by the time they're eight weeks +oh they're just beginning to be i always feel by the time they're eight weeks yes. they're just beginning to be here really. yes, that's @@ -19544,7 +19527,7 @@ yeah. but of course this will be lovely for you! yeah. mhm. -you might even be allowed to bath her or him? +you might even be allowed to bath her or him? him. him. michael. @@ -19555,7 +19538,7 @@ yeah. that will be nice! hopefully. whereabouts is this? -my erm +my erm she lives at martlesham. oh that oh where where @@ -19567,7 +19550,7 @@ martlesham village. martlesham. martlesham. mhm. -that was down at the the little wooden . +that was down at the the little wooden . that's widdlesdale church. widdesdale oh i see! @@ -19584,9 +19567,9 @@ oh i do! that's a lovely picture of you belinda isn't it? mm mm. lovely! -i always say that these two children, they're lovely to meet because erm oh that's nice too! +i always say that these two children, they're lovely to meet because erm oh that's nice too! we got one of those. -because they always erm answer, whenever i, we meet in the village shop, we always have a chat don't we? +because they always erm answer, whenever i, we meet in the village shop, we always have a chat don't we? yeah we do. that's lovely! mm mm, what beautiful pictures! @@ -19599,17 +19582,17 @@ yeah. that's lo , oh they're lovely aren't they! when you erm they're very nice! -that's but the they, they're jolly expensive aren't they? +that's but the they, they're jolly expensive aren't they? cor! you know, they're a lovely lot well they are! of pictures, and you couldn't tell really which ones they are nowadays, that's true! -to have but you've got to just go for what you can erm well afford to. +to have but you've got to just go for what you can erm well afford to. well yes, yes! well yeah it's -i only used to a little bit of -well i mean if you had twenty or thirty that's only the same only a little bit different, that's all +i only used to a little bit of +well i mean if you had twenty or thirty that's only the same only a little bit different, that's all that's right. because many are the same but you don't want all that many do you @@ -19622,7 +19605,7 @@ i haven't. you can do but only in my year. can you? yeah, fourth year and upwards. -in art and design at lunchtimes and that and +in art and design at lunchtimes and that and yes , it's one of those er, things you do in so , in sort of spare time at yeah. school? @@ -19632,28 +19615,28 @@ mm, yes. in the extra. that's good because then you'll be able to do your own. is that er -that's erm the idea, sort of bullock farming and that +that's erm the idea, sort of bullock farming and that oh! i hope. my word! they're all er, that's sort of the marshes. really? mm. -oh yes, all that, and look at that level land and then i would +oh yes, all that, and look at that level land and then i would yeah but down on the marshes, near, near the wavey oh yes! -well you know when they had all hooha about erm dig our +well you know when they had all hooha about erm dig our gravel. gravel pit down there, there's a lot in the that's just behind there. oh is it? -and when they had all those trees cut down erm +and when they had all those trees cut down erm ah! that farmer did all those trees. oh yes! -and we had to move all them, there were a lot of hooha about it in the paper about what, a year ago? +and we had to move all them, there were a lot of hooha about it in the paper about what, a year ago? no, it ain't a year ago. -i don't think it's quite a year ago, about the trees. +i don't think it's quite a year ago, about the trees. really? it was over a year ago about the gravel. did he do it without permission? @@ -19669,7 +19652,7 @@ mm. that's mm! ooh these are lovely aren't they? -and that er he rides his ponies. +and that er he rides his ponies. ah yes. aha. and you, you actually rode along in that did you? @@ -19677,7 +19660,7 @@ yeah. well i think they're old seaside carts, seem to be yep! rigged up. -and he changed them so that you get, so they're having one course in and +and he changed them so that you get, so they're having one course in and yeah, he had two horses. he had two, two ponies in there. oh i see, yes. @@ -19691,7 +19674,7 @@ blackie. really? what happened? er well -but she didn't get she got ill treated and that and he didn't the erm boy didn't feed him properly so it's all sort of skin and bone so we went and brought his pony and erm, we sort of fed it up and got it going again. +but she didn't get she got ill treated and that and he didn't the erm boy didn't feed him properly so it's all sort of skin and bone so we went and brought his pony and erm, we sort of fed it up and got it going again. really? yeah. so it's still a bit jumpy around us. @@ -19728,14 +19711,14 @@ yeah. looks lovely! no that's where my mother and sister live that one. oh i see. -but a , they the one who my sister, ah but that's at winsdale +but a , they the one who my sister, ah but that's at winsdale oh i see. mm. that's where they spend, belinda spends all her holidays down there. oh you love it do you belinda? yes, yes. what do you do? -well i just look after the ponies and +well i just look after the ponies and granny. look after granny and get her dressed . @@ -19749,9 +19732,9 @@ that's yes. good! that's good! -oh well ye , belinda if you're the sort of person who can help someone to dress you're going to be a good nurse i think. +oh well ye , belinda if you're the sort of person who can help someone to dress you're going to be a good nurse i think. i feel she would make a nurse. -mm, this was nurse. +mm, this was nurse. yes, i was a nurse. was you? mm! @@ -19769,20 +19752,20 @@ mm. mhm. yes. oh it's a great life,a , i think anyway. -no but erm my sister-in-law's going to do erm -my sister says over there. +no but erm my sister-in-law's going to do erm +my sister says over there. she'd be yeah ! job to get out the house for a little while and she usually gets granny up, cos granny have to come down on one of those chairs. oh yes! -and erm she can't see enough to be able to do it on her own. +and erm she can't see enough to be able to do it on her own. to work it herself. -so she usually goes over there +so she usually goes over there mhm. -and then when suzanne was she had a lot of trouble carrying her about and she had to be in hospital quite a bit +and then when suzanne was she had a lot of trouble carrying her about and she had to be in hospital quite a bit mm. we looked after her. -erm they left belinda in charge of her. +erm they left belinda in charge of her. well how nice! and the nights? yeah. @@ -19799,7 +19782,7 @@ aha. well you're quite grown up now really. mhm. aha. -that's er, wonderful to be able to do that though, a lot of people wouldn't have the patience. +that's er, wonderful to be able to do that though, a lot of people wouldn't have the patience. that's a lovely one, ben! mhm. so you see why he like to get over there cos he got @@ -19819,7 +19802,7 @@ poisoned, somebody killed them deliberately! oh no! they reckon i know something from farm cats that are dying. mm. -cos i they er but +cos i they er but this old lady here where is she, in the kitchen? his great, @@ -19828,16 +19811,16 @@ great grandmother to these. really? er yeah is she? -erm her mother or was that the fireman who go up, went up ringer school. +erm her mother or was that the fireman who go up, went up ringer school. mm. mm. -and he used to go without dinner. +and he used to go without dinner. yeah. oh yes! -and when and when erm dad got in a land rover round field it used to beat them down the field! +and when and when erm dad got in a land rover round field it used to beat them down the field! yeah. ha! -go down to the bottom and it does the same to go to the top. +go down to the bottom and it does the same to go to the top. but when but when i come to go back she see me go the land rover she's up the top waiting for me! oh, is that so ? @@ -19848,7 +19831,7 @@ she didn't come on the road way she went in the field side. yes. yes. yeah. -then they're when they come out erm and she had two erm +then they're when they come out erm and she had two erm mice under each foot, front feet and two in her mouth. one in each foot and one in her mou , two in her mouth! oh no! @@ -19858,9 +19841,9 @@ all at once? like that? yes! she put six in her mouth! -it was as or whatever she put her foot, don't know, don't know if popular what we feed him cos we don't move when i wa , the time they were put into bush cos of er +it was as or whatever she put her foot, don't know, don't know if popular what we feed him cos we don't move when i wa , the time they were put into bush cos of er no. -when you life them up, well of course the they've seen so many mice, she grabbed two in that mouth straight away and two and as they were going up she grabbed +when you life them up, well of course the they've seen so many mice, she grabbed two in that mouth straight away and two and as they were going up she grabbed ha ! two in each foot! gracious me! @@ -19871,13 +19854,13 @@ she does move! oh well of course, it's paradise for mice isn't it oh yes! that sort of thing? -lovely, dry you see. +lovely, dry you see. yes! yes. -and you as says you can't mess them about you see, cos after i've and smother so we have +and you as says you can't mess them about you see, cos after i've and smother so we have oh i see. be careful what we're doing. -not in big er, sort of shapes all the time. +not in big er, sort of shapes all the time. oh yes, yes five hundred in a bay. my word! mm. @@ -19899,7 +19882,7 @@ no, i can't ge , that's the closest i can . is it arthritis? joints in my back,wha , with walking, carrying too much weight when i was young. oh i see, yes! -and they get hooked, it acts like a bearing, a ball bearing and they get a little bit on the edge +and they get hooked, it acts like a bearing, a ball bearing and they get a little bit on the edge that's right. from carrying too much weight and then they get hooked and they press them down and runs right down this leg. that's right, yes. @@ -19917,8 +19900,8 @@ harder! but how much wiser you are with mr greed! ah ah ah! ah yes, yes! -a silly man, i can't understand, cos you used to get in a car now what i went in the car sunday, well it the -that was +a silly man, i can't understand, cos you used to get in a car now what i went in the car sunday, well it the +that was devil of a job to get out of it! was it? yes. @@ -19942,34 +19925,34 @@ mm. yeah, he's not going to get better!. yeah. a nice old gentleman too! -i mean he's a lovely +i mean he's a lovely oh, a real english gentleman yeah, well i used isn't he? -to love him come in the pub, you know what i mean he nice to talk to and that +to love him come in the pub, you know what i mean he nice to talk to and that yes! yes. yeah. but that was a, that's a real tragedy! mm. yeah. -but er, but once you're older unless it's a matter +but er, but once you're older unless it's a matter yep! of life and death you're better not going no. -to operation. +to operation. and he weren't very old when he oh! start thinking that! how old are you there ben, do you know? erm -about about six +about about six eight. about, six, seven, or eight, you can't be no more. seven or eight. really? and you're now -erm twelve. +erm twelve. twelve. twelve. yes. @@ -19978,7 +19961,7 @@ oh yes wasn't it? , yeah. yeah, that was on erm -that was across there near the road. +that was across there near the road. across there down the road. oh yes! the other side of the main path. @@ -19989,9 +19972,9 @@ i like that! what were you doing there ? well he had a birthday at the school pool. ah, -but i'm sure you put more are you? +but i'm sure you put more are you? oh. -what tha , and this is a good way to keep them isn't it? +what tha , and this is a good way to keep them isn't it? yeah. yes. they don't smudge then do they then? @@ -20038,12 +20021,12 @@ yes. a couple of sentences, something which will fit on a piece of paper that size, because if you can, we can have that on one bit, and the well to one side or the other we can have the information that we want, and we can photo then photocopy those two things, next to each other mm. and double it up on a four. -so we can get we can get something with project so that there's a name people will +so we can get we can get something with project so that there's a name people will mm. mm. -er and +er and a statement of what we want. -and then the thing in small print so we we because if we do it on the company 's headed notepaper, all we'll manage ah per photocopy is one sheet. +and then the thing in small print so we we because if we do it on the company 's headed notepaper, all we'll manage ah per photocopy is one sheet. yes. and your print, i i assume your printer doesn't do huge print does it? it does actually. @@ -20073,7 +20056,7 @@ anything which says project on it. shiny. but yeah er. -but i'd like it to have the company address so that people can follow u can follow up our references without us having to give them the address. +but i'd like it to have the company address so that people can follow u can follow up our references without us having to give them the address. mm. without them having to ask us for the address. mm that's reasonable okay. @@ -20137,12 +20120,12 @@ phone some other people. erm. how quickly will you be able to prepare the erm bumf for the conferences? midweek. -and something to go along with our information people we speak to . +and something to go along with our information people we speak to . by midweek er . erm yeah, tomorrow's basically horrendously busy and i'm temping the next two days, but i'm free in the evenings. mhm. right. -unless this company seminar is in fact on wednesday evening in which case i'm also busy this wednesday evening. +unless this company seminar is in fact on wednesday evening in which case i'm also busy this wednesday evening. let me know about that whenever you can. yeah. i'd actually prefer to send you to that than go to it myself, because i think that would be a better use of time. @@ -20153,15 +20136,15 @@ but i'll i'll have to find out from them, it may be that they don't want me to s erm. erm okay. but i will you know -so i've got to contact conference office, continue chasing up these people about various student things, that we have we now tapes of we just have to get the consent forms for. +so i've got to contact conference office, continue chasing up these people about various student things, that we have we now tapes of we just have to get the consent forms for. yeah. er and look into local m p's and their speaking agendas, council elections round york and see if any of the student events this summer have speakers. right. -i'm doing company , and i'm contacting julian on tuesday. +i'm doing company , and i'm contacting julian on tuesday. and i'm sending all this lot off that didn't get sent off, and contacting i'm being contacted about the place . yeah okay. erm -i will chase company this week, and see what can be done about er sending that package off to my father recordings will come out of that. +i will chase company this week, and see what can be done about er sending that package off to my father recordings will come out of that. mhm. and i will be contacted by clive yeah. @@ -20180,7 +20163,7 @@ i'll talk to my mum. yeah. good. and you're going to -are you going to try and check about er whether you are +are you going to try and check about er whether you are yes. going to be able to ? well i intend to do. @@ -20190,14 +20173,14 @@ i'll have to ask . i don't know i've never needed never tried. to get one yes. -erm how about well erm the council offices are on the the little square at the bottom of stonegate. +erm how about well erm the council offices are on the the little square at the bottom of stonegate. stonegate coneygate yeah. coney street. -you know in there. +you know in there. yeah. -er when do you want to go? -because if i'm going to check out the council elections and things we may as well go together and do our business there and annoy all the people at the council all at once. +er when do you want to go? +because if i'm going to check out the council elections and things we may as well go together and do our business there and annoy all the people at the council all at once. aha. er you're going to be busy tomorrow because it's the first day of the conference isn't it. yes. @@ -20207,34 +20190,34 @@ and thursday probably. how about i contact you tomorrow evening? okay.. after you get back from work. -you get back from work about tenish? +you get back from work about tenish? ish? half past ten. okay i'll contact . right. -i will attempt to use that there tape, ta-da, erm to note the minutes and get those back out. -erm i'll attempt to do that tonight but i don't hold out much hope so don't hold your breath. -erm other than that i'm going to write to . -and do the other things that you . +i will attempt to use that there tape, ta-da, erm to note the minutes and get those back out. +erm i'll attempt to do that tonight but i don't hold out much hope so don't hold your breath. +erm other than that i'm going to write to . +and do the other things that you . among the four thousand other things that i yeah. also said i was going to do. erm all this and have a life as well. excellent. -is there any of the above that you would like to allocate to me for example? +is there any of the above that you would like to allocate to me for example? i'm willing to take on more. if there's anything you . -erm i'll have to think about it actually. +erm i'll have to think about it actually. yeah. okay. erm most of the writing letters and things are follow-ups so i need to do those myself cos i did the originals. yeah. -erm erm erm. +erm erm erm. we're just going to write to local councils arbitrarily and and see what comes up. need to do that now. mm. and i will contact -any tapes that anybody can get to me this week would be very very good because i was saying er a few minutes ago erm i'm intending to send whatever we've got done tomorrow week. +any tapes that anybody can get to me this week would be very very good because i was saying er a few minutes ago erm i'm intending to send whatever we've got done tomorrow week. i will get something at one of the conferences. i don't know how much but i'll get something. yeah. @@ -20248,32 +20231,32 @@ mhm. feel free to take any of the . that's right your tape machine came out of one of those boxes. that's right. -this is the one that's going up to scotland. +this is the one that's going up to scotland. that one'll be going to -that's the one that's going down south. +that's the one that's going down south. . have one of those and have one of those. great. and the box may be under the table. oh. -the headphones togeth or have you got the headphones already? +the headphones togeth or have you got the headphones already? you've got everything to do you've got the headphones haven't you. -i've got got the machine. -you've got the machine just got the packaging. +i've got got the machine. +you've got the machine just got the packaging. aha! it's just that i'm going to send erm right. -i'm going to send one to erm . +i'm going to send one to erm . yes. -erm do you want any of the massively helpful packaging that came that all these came in? +erm do you want any of the massively helpful packaging that came that all these came in? the the the polystyrene doohickeys? actually it might be an idea. do they have small boxes as well? they they came in ? they came in massive great big humongous boxes packed with polystyrene actually. right. -erm +erm ooh. well they i think they came by red star. ah. @@ -20282,7 +20265,7 @@ or they came by something where somebody turned up in a little van that wasn't a right. can i i if i can get any tapes to you this week i shall. yes. -erm i think mine may be a week delayed. +erm i think mine may be a week delayed. yeah. erm i would imagine . mhm. @@ -20290,16 +20273,16 @@ mhm. transcription machines. you were checking about that last time we met. yes. -erm the cheapest i can get them is about two hundred pounds, the fastest i can get them is forty-eight-hour delivery. +erm the cheapest i can get them is about two hundred pounds, the fastest i can get them is forty-eight-hour delivery. right. -erm if i want them quicker than that they cost more. +erm if i want them quicker than that they cost more. why? who knows. erm -that's two hundred pounds not including the stupid little setdphones you get with them because they're crap. +that's two hundred pounds not including the stupid little setdphones you get with them because they're crap. =3u . -erm i have two sets of headphones that can be used with two spare sets of headphones that can be +erm i have two sets of headphones that can be used with two spare sets of headphones that can be right. used with transcription machines. decent ones that are comfortable to wear . @@ -20321,20 +20304,20 @@ yeah.. erm where you can get the tape out. yeah. mm. -erm i've got a well mike has it but erm a transcription machine that takes minicassettes and also has a recording thing with it that makes absolutely excellent recordings. +erm i've got a well mike has it but erm a transcription machine that takes minicassettes and also has a recording thing with it that makes absolutely excellent recordings. really totally awesome ones. -erm it can hear from the other side of the of mike's living room it can hear the person on the other end of a telephone connection which is is is is +erm it can hear from the other side of the of mike's living room it can hear the person on the other end of a telephone connection which is is is is quite impressive actually. -erm so that's available as another recording machine and there's a small supply of minicassettes to go with it. +erm so that's available as another recording machine and there's a small supply of minicassettes to go with it. i can get more because my father does have a minicassette recorder and a stock of tapes. right. erm if if they are useful i will ask him to box them up and send them. -the transcription that you're going to do, erm mm how how ? -david has done some transcription this week, erm and i've done a bit,erm and that's basically, well we've got one side of, you've got one side of those lectures to do erm and i've got some of the recording that i made on thursday to do and that and that . +the transcription that you're going to do, erm mm how how ? +david has done some transcription this week, erm and i've done a bit,erm and that's basically, well we've got one side of, you've got one side of those lectures to do erm and i've got some of the recording that i made on thursday to do and that and that . erm so also . yes. -i know i know +i know i know want to have a look back at them. yeah. have a look back at . @@ -20349,31 +20332,31 @@ right. erm right. . -but i want to avoid if possible erm teaching sort of the old version of the system of conventions. +but i want to avoid if possible erm teaching sort of the old version of the system of conventions. yes. yes i understand yeah. if if at all possible. mm. -erm but this is the only area where where have ever been slow in +erm but this is the only area where where have ever been slow in mm. getting that to me. -but +but er for no apparent reason. yeah. . -i mean that's one reason why i'm setting monday monday week as the date final date for making the first return. -i think i could probably send a return on tuesday erm but i'd rather wait because if i can send stuff properly done rather than you know done to the latest or or the the pre-latest system then i will. +i mean that's one reason why i'm setting monday monday week as the date final date for making the first return. +i think i could probably send a return on tuesday erm but i'd rather wait because if i can send stuff properly done rather than you know done to the latest or or the the pre-latest system then i will. it makes more sense . yeah. -erm if you could contact me erm as soon as possible regarding the cost of either servicing or replacing +erm if you could contact me erm as soon as possible regarding the cost of either servicing or replacing yeah. my keyboard i would like to get my system up and running erm right. -because i've got for it. +because i've got for it. what's wrong with your keyboard? erm it's tired basically. yeah. -erm keys on it stick. +erm keys on it stick. it's fully functional but mm. if there's some way of . @@ -20388,17 +20371,17 @@ right. erm it works on okay. electrical . -if you could get me a quote i shall see what d i y i can do and then find out how much it's going to cost me to buy a new +if you could get me a quote i shall see what d i y i can do and then find out how much it's going to cost me to buy a new yeah. one because i've buggered the last one up. right. i'll do that tomorrow as well. one thing i must ask you about just while i'm thinking about it. . -erm i have locoscript for +erm i have locoscript for yes. my amstrad at present. -will you be able to provide me with a erm wordperfect package? +will you be able to provide me with a erm wordperfect package? not on the amstrad. okay. i i'm using locoscript on the amstrad and it's adequate and i can then just port ascii text files across into wordperfect . @@ -20412,18 +20395,18 @@ so it's perfectly fine for me to transcribe on oh yeah. this amstrad yeah. -in locoscript and you can . -you can use erm er cut and paste, you know blocks and +in locoscript and you can . +you can use erm er cut and paste, you know blocks and yeah. -erm phrases for in fact quite adequately to speed up the transcription. +erm phrases for in fact quite adequately to speed up the transcription. mm. erm mm. -it's not as nice as the macros on wordperfect but it's adequate. +it's not as nice as the macros on wordperfect but it's adequate. mm. -erm . -erm . -erm i had a problem with the amstrad keyboard . +erm . +erm . +erm i had a problem with the amstrad keyboard . it's so tight. this big. it's so dinky. @@ -20434,7 +20417,7 @@ erm you know enhanced keyboard and it's this big. perhaps because i don't touch-type i did have a problem . yeah. it's relatively simple. -you just count five buttons to the left after the nine . +you just count five buttons to the left after the nine . . yeah.. that would be the four. @@ -20468,20 +20451,19 @@ it's an eight two five six? yeah. yeah. no problem. -erm right, well i think that's about it. -erm . +erm right, well i think that's about it. +erm . no, that's that's all the business i had. right. -i i want to push off erm because i've got a lot of work to do tonight. +i i want to push off erm because i've got a lot of work to do tonight. so i'll . on a on a serious note, if there is anything you want to delegate, you know where to find me, shout. yeah. i will. yes i certainly will. -erm that's it. +erm that's it. yeah. hit it. - look look what the wind's look look what the wind's blown in, look what the wind's blown in. they didn't even tell me you were coming. what have we got to do to you today? @@ -20505,7 +20487,7 @@ aye,oh he loves that doesn't he? aye . that's it. what about as far round as that high,nothing as far round here ? -no nothing no. +no nothing no. nothing up there? no, and a wee bit there. i'm liking this, i'm liking this. @@ -20516,7 +20498,7 @@ right. we've got it coming up that bit there, right. aye. right up through there, and tell me if i do that oh ? -aye right there at to. +aye right there at to. she enjoyed that. will i do it on the other side? no, don't bother. @@ -20529,9 +20511,9 @@ erm i haven't been bothered with it for a couple of months now doctor, and thought it was an ulcer, didn't you marie? oh i always thought it was my ulcer that was causing it, you know, so i was, every time i took it i was taking an extra samtack mhm. -and and +and and wasn't making any difference. -and i tell you when i really lying on my +and i tell you when i really lying on my aha. side to go you know to go to sleep at night , that's right. @@ -20547,9 +20529,9 @@ cos it's months before i had the time. never get to heaven. you'll never got to heaven. made a shocking mess of that. -is this is this you wanting a pump? +is this is this you wanting a pump? that's what i said. -for the daughter, she's and she cannae carry it off, and whether she +for the daughter, she's and she cannae carry it off, and whether she it's a good job it's not you. i'd be if it was me i'd be i'd need a miracle. @@ -20560,14 +20542,14 @@ well that's that's for the . that's the stuff alright. that's that's the stuff. it's got a green card in it and it's got enough stuff to last you until -will that be alright by aye? +will that be alright by aye? i actually and sometimes i come right up. that's right, right up there and right up, that's right . that's right, aye. you see, you'd think i knew about these things wouldn't you, you'd think i knew about these things. your muscles. -just go on just the one. +just go on just the one. no the two. just the one. just the one? @@ -20581,9 +20563,9 @@ is he? just it's just near there. just. -now then hold on to that, that's enough. +now then hold on to that, that's enough. policies away, that's alright, it looks as if it's normal. -oh well wouldn't even bother dusting them. +oh well wouldn't even bother dusting them. oh i'm being got at, aren't i? aye. good. @@ -20594,7 +20576,7 @@ on thursday. she had a birthday? i'm forty seven. i thought you said she,i thought you were stopping having birthdays. -och i stopped when i were twenty one. +och i stopped when i were twenty one. aha. and is she twenty one again? to be twenty one again, aha. @@ -20629,13 +20611,13 @@ i dissolve my ha aspro though . could use you sometimes you say they kind of, aye catching my throat, aye. well then. -i mean they're the same, the same +i mean they're the same, the same the same as your other. exactly the same thing. they look slightly bigger, but i mean it's only because the extra stuff's in it for it to dissolve in . dissolve in. -so so that's i'll give you some of them this time +so so that's i'll give you some of them this time aye, and see how you get on. and if you feel they're better then fine, we'll get that for you. @@ -20646,18 +20628,18 @@ i've got them there i cannae see it. which one's that? i have to write it down . oh, right. -still in road? +still in road? no she's gone to her own house no er. doctor. -i forgot to put the change in the,get it in, she's moved to the other +i forgot to put the change in the,get it in, she's moved to the other right enough. er sixty -three lodge, -sixty towers, by the lodge . -sixty, oh not +three lodge, +sixty towers, by the lodge . +sixty, oh not mhm oh aye. -it's not , it's lodge. +it's not , it's lodge. . towers. towers. @@ -20671,11 +20653,11 @@ yeah. i don't think she's wanting to change you anyway,i think she's keeping you on. oh, she might have trouble, she might have trouble cos the health board have changed all the regulations. -oh tell them. +oh tell them. aye. aye, aye. what does she do now then doctor? -the best thing to do, check with the health board, they'll the only other way is to go a certain distance into nowadays +the best thing to do, check with the health board, they'll the only other way is to go a certain distance into nowadays right. and if it's er if it's past the bit the health board allow then she should she's right behind it isn't it, the health centre. @@ -20685,19 +20667,19 @@ aye, she's right behind the centre. no chance, aye. no chance. -the this the +the this the because she's near that? -no, the only other one's +no, the only other one's sort of a boundary, sort of a boundary. ah right, right. -and over the level crossing or past the +and over the level crossing or past the over the level, right, so we're talking by ? -aye past -past yeah. -go that way so if she goes into the hea the health centre and says, you know that she's from hill +aye past +past yeah. +go that way so if she goes into the hea the health centre and says, you know that she's from hill and she's changing address and she want's to change over cos she's moved into that bit of the town, they'll they'll get her sorted out. -they'll have the +they'll have the get here a special form to fill in. right. they'll have the forms here, she doesn't need to take anything with her, okey-doke? @@ -20705,8 +20687,8 @@ aye. just just says to them that she's moved. watch him, seven hundred and fifty, just you watch him. -aye then, okay, -after i'm giving him a tablet as well. +aye then, okay, +after i'm giving him a tablet as well. you're gonna sleep at night. who was it that was asleep too long? you're right, he's sleeping too long. @@ -20714,9 +20696,8 @@ i'll get the door. right dr . there we are. right cheerio doctor . -right +right okay, right, cheerio mate. - in your own minds, now, i want you to think of a famous building or a famous site or perhaps a famous street or avenue yes a a statue would be fine, erm or something that's famous, like an animal perhaps, or a park erm or a zoo, although that might be a bit difficult. you'll see why in a minute. i'd like you to think if i say building that will give you the idea. @@ -20725,8 +20706,8 @@ yourself? erm yes if you were that if you were that building oh okay, pretend that you're that building and i want you to describe yourself and and i want the rest of the class to see if they can guess what it is and how long they take it they take to guess okay, and if you think you know what that person is, put your hand up don't don't shout out. -so, for example, if i was doing there's no writing involved, just a speaking thing. -so for example if i was doing saint paul's i'd say right erm erm i'm a building in the city of london, very old, very big and extremely famous on of the most obvious things that really stand out about me is my very large domed roof with a little cross on top of it. +so, for example, if i was doing there's no writing involved, just a speaking thing. +so for example if i was doing saint paul's i'd say right erm erm i'm a building in the city of london, very old, very big and extremely famous on of the most obvious things that really stand out about me is my very large domed roof with a little cross on top of it. princess diana and and prince charles were married in me. shorts right, so then you'd guess that i was saint paul's cathedral. @@ -20738,20 +20719,20 @@ yeah, no, yeah you're looking a bit unsure. yeah, yes sir. don't you want to do it? -yeah -open that window sir, can i open that window, please? +yeah +open that window sir, can i open that window, please? let's try it oh sir the reas the reason listen please. the reason why it's quite a good thing to do is because it gets you into descriptive language okay and thinking about how you describe things, adjectives are describing words. -but take a little bit of time now to think of a building, or a thing, or a place or an animal or a street right +but take a little bit of time now to think of a building, or a thing, or a place or an animal or a street right let's start with erm you got one? i got one. whose gotta good one? yeah let's start again let's start with you. you gotta good one. -now if you think you know what building or place is, put your hand up, but i think what we'll do is actually let him get to the end of his description first. +now if you think you know what building or place is, put your hand up, but i think what we'll do is actually let him get to the end of his description first. what if somebody erm, erm thinks of one that somebody else has thought of erm, now that's a good question in that case @@ -20761,16 +20742,16 @@ i'm big, and i've gotta a hole in the middle of me all the lines and it's green no let him finish okay, we're gonna let him finish. what am i? i couldn't even hear that properly. -okay can we have it again, nice and clear could you close the door please for me please +okay can we have it again, nice and clear could you close the door please for me please oh yeah an' i'm the best one in england. i know. right,jus just do the first bit again. i'm big an' i gotta hole in the middle you're big and you've got a hole in the middle and what's the next bit. -there's grass wiv lines on and whenever play games -and whenever get somefink and i'm the best one in england. +there's grass wiv lines on and whenever play games +and whenever get somefink and i'm the best one in england. right, i think i know what it is and there's a forest of hands erm they know what it is. -erm right, louisa, whatcha think building or thing is? +erm right, louisa, whatcha think building or thing is? wembley. wembley. yep did everybody think that? @@ -20783,13 +20764,13 @@ when you look down on top when you look down, when you are seeing it in on the television pictures, you look down from an aerial view. yeah, right, okay very good. erm right erm let's have a lady now -yeah, yeah i'm, i'm quite big, i used to do they used to do ballet in me. +yeah, yeah i'm, i'm quite big, i used to do they used to do ballet in me. they did cinderella in me, erm erm i'm not a featre , i'm a library as well erm.. oh, i know what it is. erm -ssh, don't interrupt . -erm i'm near a macdonalds, erm i'm quite kinda that's it. +ssh, don't interrupt . +erm i'm near a macdonalds, erm i'm quite kinda that's it. what am i? all right, erm erm @@ -20864,7 +20845,7 @@ if you look upon me from an aerial view, i'm open. yes, thank you very much year seven, carry on katie. there's grass in me wiv lines on it. i know what this is. -this is a bit like but go on. +this is a bit like but go on. and erm a very good team play there and arsenal won by the way. not millwall. @@ -20882,7 +20863,7 @@ great big towers which are painted an off white colour, an' i'm featured, an' i' who? aha, you see you don't know this one do you oh, er. -sarah sarah 's hand was up first. +sarah sarah 's hand was up first. banksides power station. banksides? yeah. @@ -20894,7 +20875,7 @@ i think, i think there is one at bankside, but battersea power station was the o i haven't done one yet. let me do one. right, yvette first, she's done one. -right right, i'm erm very big, i'm like a football ground, but i'm not and erm lots of crickets have fallen on me before +right right, i'm erm very big, i'm like a football ground, but i'm not and erm lots of crickets have fallen on me before i'm near erm kennington i know, i know. please. @@ -20908,7 +20889,7 @@ sir, sir i got one. oh yeah . i fought you said you have you done one, stuart? -right which one best one go on . +right which one best one go on . one more then we'll do something different. i fought you said have you got one, stuart. @@ -20921,31 +20902,31 @@ like a crystal oh, i know. le.. let's let's reach the er . -and yeah it's almost where -i can't actually hear description. +and yeah it's almost where +i can't actually hear description. hang on a minute, hang on that's what he said. since when have center parcs been in london. oh, yeah. stop, stop. listen, okay. -what i want you to do now is tell me what you've been doing with miss this week tuesday. +what i want you to do now is tell me what you've been doing with miss this week tuesday. oh. put your hands up please. right, sarah. -we've been erm talking about different transport and some poems erm and we do like what else. +we've been erm talking about different transport and some poems erm and we do like what else. like so you've done a transport poems right, have you done advantages and disadvantages yeah, yeah no we ain't. erm i did some of that with you erm you've written to -right, i think what we are going to do having done you're doing most of your inner city stuff with miss it now, an' i wanna give you some basic skills sheets +right, i think what we are going to do having done you're doing most of your inner city stuff with miss it now, an' i wanna give you some basic skills sheets you said there's no writin'. all teachers are the same, that they go back on their word. oh, please sir. right sarah, could you share with katie, and you two share as well -right, i wanna do something all together now okay, so you can't go right now right. +right, i wanna do something all together now okay, so you can't go right now right. okay year seven, year seven, i won't tell you again, you're being too noisy. now, the sheet in front of you even if you've got a bundle of sheets is entitled writing dialogue, okay. now, learning how to punctuate dialogue is not easy because there are a lot of things to remember and i want to see whether or not you can do this okay. @@ -20959,7 +20940,7 @@ look at the diagram and then try the exercise. i want you to have a look at that diagram and read it to yourself quietly now. look at the labelling, which the rules, those labels being the rules for writing dialogue. hold on a second please. -look at it carefully, you've gotta between you +look at it carefully, you've gotta between you should i start it? don't start it just yet has everybody read it? @@ -20982,7 +20963,7 @@ i know, you've gotta put all the punctuation in. oh. the re , the rest, the rest of you look at this and see if he's right. quiet please -okay just do what you think's correct right, gimme the pen. +okay just do what you think's correct right, gimme the pen. thank you. erm next sentence, who wants to do it? don't correct anybody else's, you just do the sentence as you think it's right. @@ -21008,7 +20989,7 @@ that's a sentence that's the end of the sentence, is it? mm it's not. -sir, i know finish +sir, i know finish sir, you said line. okay, sentence, sentence, i want to the end of the sentence. can you do to the end of the sentence. @@ -21025,8 +21006,8 @@ with you the mistakes. i want you to pay attention. then you can get a chance to do it again in your book. now, first of all -no, don't speak, just listen please listen that includes you. -right, one thing that you need when somebody speaks is inverted commas okay or speech marks, name, if you read it out aloud name ask the doctor, the inverted commas come here because name is somebody speaking and it tells you that somebody is speaking here, it says asks okay say asked. +no, don't speak, just listen please listen that includes you. +right, one thing that you need when somebody speaks is inverted commas okay or speech marks, name, if you read it out aloud name ask the doctor, the inverted commas come here because name is somebody speaking and it tells you that somebody is speaking here, it says asks okay say asked. asked. say asked. asked @@ -21068,7 +21049,7 @@ now the way he asks that is as a question. so, so, look,. now as your sheet tells you and as you should know if you read it carefully, punctuation marks where someone is speaking come inside the inverted commas, so, the question mark is a type of punctuation, isn't it, obviously, so it comes within the inverted commas. okay? -sir , there's somefink wrong there, 'cos she says blenkinsop and it should be just blenkinsop. +sir , there's somefink wrong there, 'cos she says blenkinsop and it should be just blenkinsop. yeah, there there are lots or mistakes, there are lots of mistakes all the way through sir,do it. start a new line if a new person is speaking. @@ -21138,7 +21119,6 @@ or, rather, include that, do that first, an' then finish it yourselves. you don't need to talk to do this. sir, you said yes, we are. - hello. hello doctor. hello anna. @@ -21147,8 +21127,8 @@ so help us,in here the back of my neck, and across here. elbows. oh oh. neuralgia. -and all down my -down my, see even here doctor +and all down my +down my, see even here doctor aye. my fingers and that you know? right. @@ -21159,7 +21139,7 @@ excuse me. see in here in my neck, too aye. mhm. -it's as if sometimes when i turn round, oh dear aha +it's as if sometimes when i turn round, oh dear aha you feel it aha. catching there? @@ -21177,16 +21157,16 @@ and they go through aha. right. okay. -i'm not going to poke about +i'm not going to poke about aha. but er that's right. right down here, across here, right there, here. that's right . -and i thought across here too, terrible here. -here as if it was gonna . +and i thought across here too, terrible here. +here as if it was gonna . and see my elbows? like a toothache. -my elbows were sore +my elbows were sore that's right. that's right. and everything, you know in behind the ear here, i felt as if my head was @@ -21204,11 +21184,11 @@ shoulders, around the front here, aha. down here, into your elbows, aye. -with a toothache and then right down your fingers. +with a toothache and then right down your fingers. then your fingers, aha, aye. now doctor, i was up, i had that terrible pain across here, mhm. -i thought i was taking a heart attack, but er doctor gave me a rub of that di difa dif +i thought i was taking a heart attack, but er doctor gave me a rub of that di difa dif diflam. diflam? diflam. @@ -21216,10 +21196,10 @@ yes aha. that's right. so would i, would i still use that or what do you think, painkillers or what doctor? -no there is a, there's a special stuff i'm going to give you +no there is a, there's a special stuff i'm going to give you is there? to get rid of this for you. -now the other thing that very often goes with this is a crunching noise +now the other thing that very often goes with this is a crunching noise that's right. when you, when you move your neck. see sometimes i well not all the time @@ -21227,17 +21207,17 @@ no no. no. but sometimes you feel as if it's going to jerk you yeah, that's right. -you know you're not going to be able to move it any +you know you're not going to be able to move it any and it's going to stay that way. no, anna, you're alright. you're alright. -now you're still working? +now you're still working? yes, aha. ah, right. take these tablets just at bedtime. aha. don't take them during the day. -just two of these you can either take one after your cup of tea, and one before you go to bed +just two of these you can either take one after your cup of tea, and one before you go to bed bed, aha. or you can leave them both till bedtime. aha. @@ -21247,7 +21227,7 @@ aha. that's fine, aha. okay? right, doctor , that's fine. -that's er but that is where the, the nerve +that's er but that is where the, the nerve aha. from up here, mhm. @@ -21255,7 +21235,7 @@ where it splits into all the mhm. aye. wee bits. -is that that kind of a swelling you get that swelling ? +is that that kind of a swelling you get that swelling ? aye, that swelling at the side there. er this is the fourteenth of the fourth . there we are now. @@ -21279,22 +21259,22 @@ see when i kneel see when i kneel a lot, let's have a wee look i can hardly and see what you've done to the poor thing. -i don't know, there's a young doctor, but i cannae remember what she says, but see when i kneel a lot, doctor +i don't know, there's a young doctor, but i cannae remember what she says, but see when i kneel a lot, doctor mhm. it's awfully hard to straighten them you know? aye. just let your, let your foot rest on the floor, anna. yeah. -you can see there's been a wee bit of damage to that ligament just where it goes down over the top of that bone. +you can see there's been a wee bit of damage to that ligament just where it goes down over the top of that bone. mhm. just in here. aye, well it's just over . -i mean it's not sore when i'm walking or anything doctor +i mean it's not sore when i'm walking or anything doctor no. no, that's right. it's just, she's, i think, i cannae remember what she says, something about nodules on the kneecap or something. -that's just a wee nodules on your kneecap,. +that's just a wee nodules on your kneecap,. mhm. she says they, she said they wouldn't really do anything with that unless no. @@ -21306,9 +21286,9 @@ they'll come and go as well,. right. they'll, they'll, they'll not . they won't they won't come to that -as i say, it doesn't bother me constantly all the time, doctor you know, it's just i feel i was carrying some shopping down the road +as i say, it doesn't bother me constantly all the time, doctor you know, it's just i feel i was carrying some shopping down the road mhm. -you know,keep secret. +you know,keep secret. oh! that's right. that's right y you feel as though you want to rub it all the time. @@ -21328,7 +21308,6 @@ thank you. right? cheerie-bye. cheerio now. - i'm an old hand at it now. fire prevent ex fire prevention officer is gonna give us some real good tips. i've heard this film, seen this film quite a number of times and it really is good. @@ -21350,8 +21329,8 @@ i am going to use it. oh right. cos when we want yeah. -this afternoon -yeah i'm gonna use the o h p first and then +this afternoon +yeah i'm gonna use the o h p first and then right. okay. use the films @@ -21385,7 +21364,7 @@ well we all know from our own history books that fire has been with us for a lon right from the days of the early caveman when he used fire not only for cooking but he also used it as means of lighting and keeping his family warm er during the winter months. okay? but just let's have a look at some of the things that have caused fires or cause us to bring about legislation in fire. -and one of the things that we learn very early in history is the great fire of london. +and one of the things that we learn very early in history is the great fire of london. can you all see that? great fire of london started second of september in sixteen sixty six started in the early hours at a baker's house in pudding lane. it burned for three days. @@ -21409,7 +21388,7 @@ and also bought out the insurance company fire brigades where, when you go round and this was the old insurance plaque and if your house caught fire then the insurance fire brigade would come and put out your fire for you. okay? but not only have we had the great fire of london we've had other disasters in the country apart from disasters of the great war and the er second world war. -we had the bradford football disaster and we had other disasters in nightclubs, the fairfield night nursing home in in nottingham +we had the bradford football disaster and we had other disasters in nightclubs, the fairfield night nursing home in in nottingham mm. not far from us. all brought about some legislation. @@ -21462,7 +21441,7 @@ what happens? you put the chip pan on. the telephone rings, you get distracted. okay? -and you're on the phone for ages and ages talking about a b and c, and all a sudden you think i can smell something burning. +and you're on the phone for ages and ages talking about a b and c, and all a sudden you think i can smell something burning. and low and behold you can't even get back into the kitchen because the kitchen is full of deadly fumes from the burning fat or er fat or oil within the chip pan. okay? drying, the airing of clothes is another one. @@ -21473,7 +21452,7 @@ it doesn't matter whether it's a solid fuel fire or a coal effect er g gas fire if that er clothing becomes heated and it gets to the right temperature it will burst into the flames, likewise if it's not balanced properly and you go out the door the living room or the lounge into the kitchen or some other part of your home the draft by closing the door can knock the airer over, unbalance it and of course er set fire to the clothing. unguarded open fires. again the problem there is that you get the hot coals, if it's a solid fuel fire, er dropping off onto the hearth setting fire to the hearth rug. -children playing with matches and lighters a again we've already covered this in object number one, but again it's a reminder. +children playing with matches and lighters a again we've already covered this in object number one, but again it's a reminder. make sure that if you have children in the home that matches and lighters are placed well out of, place them out of reach. old faulty electrical appliances. again your electrical appliances do want servicing on a regular basis. @@ -21493,7 +21472,7 @@ mm. okay, providing it's not used. okay. but very often people will just get hold of the er blanket, they'll screw it up okay? -stick it away out the way until next winter and as we all know inside the electric blanket we have little and there's your blanket. +stick it away out the way until next winter and as we all know inside the electric blanket we have little and there's your blanket. we have little electric fibres, elements running through similar to an electric fire and if you crumple it up, and don't take care of it properly, what happens is you will snap one of the fine filaments. and what happens then, the electric current, as we know, flows backwards and forwards and it gets to this bit here and there's a break, so what does it do? the spark tries to jump the gap doesn't it? @@ -21504,7 +21483,7 @@ it tries to jump the gap and in doing so sets fire to y the surrounding material excuse me? yeah. y you mentioned folding. -is there a, is there a proper way to fold cos i haven't +is there a, is there a proper way to fold cos i haven't yeah nor seen it. yeah. @@ -21520,7 +21499,7 @@ the wires. the the element. try to fold within the layers of the material so that you don't, and, and you keep your elements in a straight line then. okay? -but if you've got any doubts, if you're in any doubts at all go to your local e board or some electrical supplier, a reputable electrical supplier, and they will tell you how to do it properly. +but if you've got any doubts, if you're in any doubts at all go to your local e board or some electrical supplier, a reputable electrical supplier, and they will tell you how to do it properly. okay? overloaded and wrongly fused plugs. okay? @@ -21530,7 +21509,7 @@ safety. right. but very often we will overlook safety because we stick any old fuse in we think it works, okay? but if something untoward happens to that ele piece of electrical equipment, okay? -the electrical equipment overheats and then fuse as yo we all know should blow to cut off the supply of electrical equipment to that piece of apparatus. +the electrical equipment overheats and then fuse as yo we all know should blow to cut off the supply of electrical equipment to that piece of apparatus. but sometimes if we've got the wrong fuse in it won't blow and it will continue to feed the electric current through to the heater or whatever piece of electrical apparatus it is, until such times as we have a fire situation. if we don't get a fire situation the person who is operating the piece of electric equipment is quite likely to get an electrical shock. how do you know which fuse to put? @@ -21549,9 +21528,9 @@ and it tells you the normal plug rating for a particular appliance. like a vacuum cleaner should be five amp, a deep fat fryer should be thirteen amp and various er little pieces of information on plugs and fuses. okay? -so +so thank you. -please pick one of those up before you leave this afternoon. +please pick one of those up before you leave this afternoon. has some new legislation just come out about all that. that any new electrical goods supplied after a certain date are now supposed to have the fu the, the plug the fuse plug actually er as it were fused i don't mean that sort of fuse, i mean @@ -21568,7 +21547,7 @@ part of it. yeah. i, i believe that has but the only way i would ask you to ensure this oh yeah. -if you're thinking is if you go to you your electricity board +if you're thinking is if you go to you your electricity board yeah. or ring up your local trading standards officer yeah. @@ -21582,7 +21561,7 @@ yeah. okay? . yeah. -i think it has come in but i think they're still +i think it has come in but i think they're still still selling old stuff. that's right. yeah. @@ -21601,7 +21580,7 @@ they have. fuses. yeah. yeah. -and ninety percent of the things they're attached to still got thirteen amp fuses. +and ninety percent of the things they're attached to still got thirteen amp fuses. i bet they'll have. yes. yeah, yeah, yeah. @@ -21637,7 +21616,7 @@ right. okay. again, this i haven't got an example to show you but i have seen one of these that's caught fire and the only reason it's caught fire is because this total piece of equipment is only capable of taking a maximum of thirteen amps. okay? -so if you've got a three amp fuse another three amp fuse and a, a three amp fuse in and another one in it you've got nine amps haven't you? +so if you've got a three amp fuse another three amp fuse and a, a three amp fuse in and another one in it you've got nine amps haven't you? mm. okay? so you only want another small piece of electrical apparatus in there. @@ -21656,7 +21635,7 @@ a lot of people think because you've got four sockets you can bang four pieces o well you can't. you can provided you keep under the thirteen amp rating but if you go over the thirteen amp rating then you are asking for trouble. okay? -and the same applies to your multiple socket adaptor where you've just got one power point. +and the same applies to your multiple socket adaptor where you've just got one power point. you stick it in and you've got everything adjoined to it. you know you've got the electric fire, you've got the telly and everything else to it. again if you go over the thirteen amp you're trying to draw out more elec electricity and you're causing overheating. @@ -21693,7 +21672,7 @@ what happens? what can you feel? you can feel the heat from the fire can't you? doesn't matter whether it's a solid fuel fire, gas fire or electric and this is what we call radiated heat. -and if you were silly enough to stand there long enough you'd soon, your skirt, your trousers you'd soon start smelling a little bit. +and if you were silly enough to stand there long enough you'd soon, your skirt, your trousers you'd soon start smelling a little bit. you know? and away you'd go. so again it's the same with putting portable heaters close to the furniture. @@ -21734,7 +21713,7 @@ heat is being generated all the time and that's the problem. paraffin heaters and l p g heaters, again are another source of danger, especially l p g heaters. and when you look at l p g, while it's in its canister, okay, it's a liquid but when it meets normal atmospheric temperature and pressure it converts to a gas. okay? -you can't see it, sometimes the agents will put a stenching er material in it that you can you can smell it, mm, i can smell gas you know and it's this stenching thing that you can smell, but very rarely can you see it. +you can't see it, sometimes the agents will put a stenching er material in it that you can you can smell it, mm, i can smell gas you know and it's this stenching thing that you can smell, but very rarely can you see it. again if you re rely on l p g heaters as soon as you've got an emp er a, a, a cylinder empty, get it out the way back to your supplier to make sure that you only have it serviced on a one to one basis so you get a one for one swap. okay? how many of you ladies and gentlemen are do it yourself enthusiasts? @@ -21750,11 +21729,11 @@ it doesn't float in the air it drops down to ground level and some years ago, wh we were called to an explosion and house fire in sutton-in-ashfield and i responded as officer in charge and i pulled up outside, we dealt with the fire and then we began the investigation to find out what had happened. and the story goes, to cut it quite short, two workmen were in this person's house laying carpet tiles in the lounge and they were using this substance that was heavier than air and it was also highly flammable. and of course with it being heavier than air it does tell you it can give a nasty headache, cause drowsiness, etcetera etcetera. -so after they'd been using this stuff with no windows open or anything, one of the workmen began to feel a little bit groggy so he said to his mate and open the back door charlie, will you, i'm feeling a bit groggy. +so after they'd been using this stuff with no windows open or anything, one of the workmen began to feel a little bit groggy so he said to his mate and open the back door charlie, will you, i'm feeling a bit groggy. okay? -so what happened was quick sketch that's the kitchen, that's the cooker. +so what happened was quick sketch that's the kitchen, that's the cooker. okay? -lounge window that's the lounge where the men were working. +lounge window that's the lounge where the men were working. okay? so his, his colleague went and opened the door to the kitchen from the lounge and opened the back door. the inrush of fresh air came in through the room, circulated, inter mixed with the vapour laden air in the lounge. @@ -21772,7 +21751,7 @@ this has happened in my house with a workman. yeah. and he, he set kitchen on fire. yeah. -he lost his eyebrows and most of his hair and the whole house was +he lost his eyebrows and most of his hair and the whole house was yeah. okay?. workmen don't guarantee that he is doing it according to the thing because @@ -21789,19 +21768,19 @@ the same sort of thing. yeah. we didn't have an explosion but we did have a big fire. yeah. -well this, this does an explosion actually rather than a +well this, this does an explosion actually rather than a yeah. little fire but there's enough damage from the explosion to d do the job. -but as the gentlemen there he's got firsthand experience. +but as the gentlemen there he's got firsthand experience. yeah? erm paint is now solvent based or s i know it's gonna be phased out but basically it's solvent based. yeah. a are they flammable? they're not as flammable as, as such. -they're, when you're talking about the normal household gloss, yes it is flammable but it's not a, nowhere near as flammable as your cellulose thinners that you spray your car with and things like that, your touch up sprays, because it doesn't contain the amount of petroleum adhesive er additive i should say, in the er in its mixture as does er +they're, when you're talking about the normal household gloss, yes it is flammable but it's not a, nowhere near as flammable as your cellulose thinners that you spray your car with and things like that, your touch up sprays, because it doesn't contain the amount of petroleum adhesive er additive i should say, in the er in its mixture as does er a and are they heavier than air ones? -or, or or are +or, or or are they are heavier than air and again if you follow the manufacturer's instructions, if it says when using this paint allow adequate ventilation yes. @@ -21810,7 +21789,7 @@ you see i mean i had an uncle, he's passed on now, and he was an avid pipe-smoke okay? and i've seen him, he's made me cringe, he used to have a cigar cigarette lighter and he used to fill it with this l p g stuff. and i've seen him standing ope in front of the open fire with his back to the fire going like that and you can see the heat shimmer stuff coming off and you know it's the l p g. -i used to say uncle i don't lie, you know you're do oh i've been doing it for years you all that sort of thing you know . +i used to say uncle i don't lie, you know you're do oh i've been doing it for years you all that sort of thing you know . you couldn't get him to alter his ways. but it's just one of those things. if you're using these substances do please be careful but not only about do it yourself er er enthusiasts. @@ -21874,12 +21853,12 @@ okay? are they facts for nottinghamshire? those are for nottinghamshire, yeah. yeah. -if you're from derbyshire or leicestershire then in your local telephone directory er do you mean the fire or these numbers? +if you're from derbyshire or leicestershire then in your local telephone directory er do you mean the fire or these numbers? those numbers. no these numbers are basically nationally at the moment. but unfortunately it's on the increase mm. -and as we are all aware i, i feel sure for there being in the you've been, in that it is unlawful to leave a child alone in the house under the age of twelve years. +and as we are all aware i, i feel sure for there being in the you've been, in that it is unlawful to leave a child alone in the house under the age of twelve years. cos if anything happens to that child especially in a fire situation you are liable to criminal er tt etcetera. ah in fact there's a case in london where they've just recently charged a mother, where the firemen were called to a house fire over the weekend and erm during the, putting the fire out they discovered a child's body er i on the settee. er apparently she was a four year old er they searched for the mother, they found the mother and i understand now that the mother's been charged with murder. @@ -21906,7 +21885,7 @@ just to s talk a little bit on the smoke alarms and then we'll go into the video okay? heat, two types of smoke detector you get in the home, heat and smoke. okay? -heat reacting +heat reacting increase in temperatures and smoke reacts to smoke and fumes. okay? domestic smoke alarms are basically two types. @@ -21967,28 +21946,28 @@ you must also remember, ladies and gentlemen, to change the battery at least onc or especially when you start getting the low pip pip pip about every thirty seconds. okay? or be aware that the pips could happen when -is it on, on +is it on, on you're on holiday. pardon? or be aware that the pips in our case happened when we were on holiday. yes. mm. mm. -it cold doesn't it? +it cold doesn't it? can trigger them off. this mm. has happened to us several times. been away at yeah. -sometimes can get a cold +sometimes can get a cold winter, in the winter. yeah. and we've come back or in fact yeah. our son had been in to check the house yeah. -and the thing was going so +and the thing was going so taken the battery out. yeah. and he thought the battery you know was running down but in fact it wasn't @@ -22025,7 +22004,7 @@ okay? in this country anyway at least, in the u k and you're having a new dream cottage built, okay, to your needs and satisfaction, okay? please remember that in order to conform to the current building regulations it is now mandatory to have a proper er electrically mains operated smoke alarm system installed in the home. -otherwise the tt building will have deemed to not comply to b one of the building regulations which i don't want to go into too much detail but basically what it is that with effect from nineteen ninety one the smoke alarm smoke detector bill came into er operation and it was brought in into the nineteen ninety two building regulations when they were amended from the nineteen eighty five regulations that states now any new build homes shall have and be fitted with a mains operated, with battery backup, smoke detection system . +otherwise the tt building will have deemed to not comply to b one of the building regulations which i don't want to go into too much detail but basically what it is that with effect from nineteen ninety one the smoke alarm smoke detector bill came into er operation and it was brought in into the nineteen ninety two building regulations when they were amended from the nineteen eighty five regulations that states now any new build homes shall have and be fitted with a mains operated, with battery backup, smoke detection system . and in fact in some parts of the country there have been experiments tested with having sprinkler system fitted into the home. how long do okay? @@ -22049,7 +22028,7 @@ it's thirty six to forty eight hours of standby cover. cover. so if your mains goes off through an electrical storm or something -like that or your power is cut off because the e the m e b is digging the road up down and they say that your electric will be off for the next +like that or your power is cut off because the e the m e b is digging the road up down and they say that your electric will be off for the next yeah. x number of hours then your battery will take over and it will operate the fire al your domestic system for a period of thirty six to forty eight hours. @@ -22096,7 +22075,7 @@ you got a i wouldn't trust anything this government does so well it's not, it's not the government that's doing it anyway. -it's the +it's the yeah. okay? any questions ladies and gentlemen? @@ -22111,21 +22090,20 @@ okay? so if you have a if you live in er er a two-storey house, okay? make sure that all r eve even if you're in a bungalow, make sure that all your doors are closed at night, okay? get everybody, preferably, into the front of the house in the bedroom upstairs, get some clothing or some packing, bedding at the base of the door to stop the smoke filtering through the bottom of the door okay? -go to the window shout and make it, make your plight known to your neighbours because normally there's somebody passing, policeman on his beat or somebody who'll make your plight known. +go to the window shout and make it, make your plight known to your neighbours because normally there's somebody passing, policeman on his beat or somebody who'll make your plight known. okay? if it becomes necessary the - now, a slight apology to make. this, things aren't going very well for me today. -er, i missed the train, the video thing wouldn't work when i showed my film lunchtime and er, the book that had to read, er, unfortunately, is not in the library, so er, the le let me explain the background to this. -in previous years i haven't had a class on the and i thought i had one this year as an experiment and er, pardon me just a second hello yes, that was a little annoying to say the least, cos those students have come in specially for that, yeah,yeah yeah yeah yeah right oh dear right certainly not well, would it be easier to show them in my office, that's seven, seven, seven? +er, i missed the train, the video thing wouldn't work when i showed my film lunchtime and er, the book that had to read, er, unfortunately, is not in the library, so er, the le let me explain the background to this. +in previous years i haven't had a class on the and i thought i had one this year as an experiment and er, pardon me just a second hello yes, that was a little annoying to say the least, cos those students have come in specially for that, yeah,yeah yeah yeah yeah right oh dear right certainly not well, would it be easier to show them in my office, that's seven, seven, seven? well, i could fit most of them in, i'm currently getting in about twelve, ten or twelve, i could fit them in. alright, let's do that. could we, could we have it from next tuesday in my room? that's seven, seven, seven. yeah, and you could perhaps let me, let me have erm, let me have one of those little ones. perhaps i could keep it, could i? -right, okay yes, sure, sure, sure. +right, okay yes, sure, sure, sure. well, shall we have it in my room for next week? thanks a lot. bye . @@ -22134,111 +22112,111 @@ sorry, this will be printing for a while. it's just my new book. i'm sorry. you'll just have to put up with the printer chugging away. -as i was saying, yes, er erm, i put it down, erm are you gonna tell us the history of the book, or? +as i was saying, yes, er erm, i put it down, erm are you gonna tell us the history of the book, or? yeah. there is a bit of right, okay. -well, let's wait and hear wh what says, he'll probably explain to you the history of why it is like this. +well, let's wait and hear wh what says, he'll probably explain to you the history of why it is like this. but as i said, i do apologize. -there was a copy in the library at one stage, although not listed under it was under , but i now see that when the other day i looked erm, according to er, there isn't even anything under . -did you look under too? +there was a copy in the library at one stage, although not listed under it was under , but i now see that when the other day i looked erm, according to er, there isn't even anything under . +did you look under too? yeah right, right so i'm very sorry. i won't do it again next year. -we won't have a class on that's just somebody that republishes the book. -but erm, anyway er, tell us what you made of it and we'll take it from there, i think. +we won't have a class on that's just somebody that republishes the book. +but erm, anyway er, tell us what you made of it and we'll take it from there, i think. well, the book was er published in the early nineteen, well, it was written in the early nineteen thirties but er, it wasn't actually published until nineteen sixty seven. erm, for instance idealistic man primarily, wilson, president of the united states. so basically, subject given account of er wilson's life and his personality. in context the psychoanalysis in order to explain erm wilson's actions and er, attitudes in the pres presidency of the united states during the first world war, basically con concentrates on erm . -despite highlighting er wilson's intellectual and physical achievements, for instance, he er wrote a very er, well respected book called con congressional government in his earlier cabinet career, and also he initiated domestic reforms , the book is er generally quite scornful, reporting character. -especially the neurosis he suffered from erm, throughout his life on which the his presidential and political career. +despite highlighting er wilson's intellectual and physical achievements, for instance, he er wrote a very er, well respected book called con congressional government in his earlier cabinet career, and also he initiated domestic reforms , the book is er generally quite scornful, reporting character. +especially the neurosis he suffered from erm, throughout his life on which the his presidential and political career. the main argument put forward by er, er, was that er was that wilson suffered as an adult, because of the over oppressed rage he, oppressed rage he possessed, which was directed towards his father. -as a child, wilson was er, regularly subjected to the darkness father and criticized and lectured the young wilson. -however, instead of er releasing and dealing with his rage, wilson er instead chose to strongly identify with his father, erm argued er wilson never grew beyond his father identification, because the situation whereby er wilson was full of, of the conviction that his er mission in life was somehow divided. -in identifying with what he regarded as his father, wilson thought that he would er emerge from the war as a saviour to the world, so to speak. -two went further in an effort to oppress his rage against his father, and to avoid a highly threatening career situation. +as a child, wilson was er, regularly subjected to the darkness father and criticized and lectured the young wilson. +however, instead of er releasing and dealing with his rage, wilson er instead chose to strongly identify with his father, erm argued er wilson never grew beyond his father identification, because the situation whereby er wilson was full of, of the conviction that his er mission in life was somehow divided. +in identifying with what he regarded as his father, wilson thought that he would er emerge from the war as a saviour to the world, so to speak. +two went further in an effort to oppress his rage against his father, and to avoid a highly threatening career situation. wilson identified with his father, to the extent of wanting to have genital, genital contact with him, since wilson saw his father as the author of all his skills, his strength and all that he'd been grateful for . -this was based on apparently wrote to obtain er, or basically to obtain. +this was based on apparently wrote to obtain er, or basically to obtain. this is arguably supported by the close contact of the relationship wilson had with his father, and wilson's deeply held religious conviction, which he espoused in his presidency. -however, this subconsciously held conflict with his father in subsequent over identification with er led wilson to be somewhat stubborn,perhaps even complicational as a, as you know, as presidency of the united states, which were, were often directed towards or often only minor details of his work, but he wouldn't he wouldn't actually range them towards say, any major . -er, accompanying this accompanying this frequently not himself, which it occurred throughout his life, through his childhood as well, and his general -er sustained willpower which was highlighted by frequent illnesses, especially in his er president of the university, where wilson suffered defeats and conflicts and transfer of reform of rebuilding the university, and also we see there er back part of his life a wilson of his own er, seem to direct some of his rage against er, a coloured colleague of his, a . -graham argued that all this is indicative of a person who hasn't grown, fully grown out of his childhood worries, problems, especially the er, he hasn't actually dealt with the true feelings that he had towards his father, and who instead chose to vent his rage on others and political career, which resulted in wilson being, er well, losing some of his rationality, which led to his poor performance in er negotiating and gaining acceptance of the treaty of after world war one. -erm, apparently that's what the trouble with the ratifying in congress that led him erm,some degree to another centre in massachusetts. -erm, and this also explains in part, why he er complains made by-rules and all concerned what was into europe, did not materialize. +however, this subconsciously held conflict with his father in subsequent over identification with er led wilson to be somewhat stubborn,perhaps even complicational as a, as you know, as presidency of the united states, which were, were often directed towards or often only minor details of his work, but he wouldn't he wouldn't actually range them towards say, any major . +er, accompanying this accompanying this frequently not himself, which it occurred throughout his life, through his childhood as well, and his general +er sustained willpower which was highlighted by frequent illnesses, especially in his er president of the university, where wilson suffered defeats and conflicts and transfer of reform of rebuilding the university, and also we see there er back part of his life a wilson of his own er, seem to direct some of his rage against er, a coloured colleague of his, a . +graham argued that all this is indicative of a person who hasn't grown, fully grown out of his childhood worries, problems, especially the er, he hasn't actually dealt with the true feelings that he had towards his father, and who instead chose to vent his rage on others and political career, which resulted in wilson being, er well, losing some of his rationality, which led to his poor performance in er negotiating and gaining acceptance of the treaty of after world war one. +erm, apparently that's what the trouble with the ratifying in congress that led him erm,some degree to another centre in massachusetts. +erm, and this also explains in part, why he er complains made by-rules and all concerned what was into europe, did not materialize. er, i think if you're gonna try and erm, explain you know, try and assess the validity of the book. agree or ask yourselves why you agree. -tell us about various reasons, not just study of value of the great of the greatest value there. -it seems freud and perhaps even wanted to er, vent their anger on wilson, because of his failures concerning the war and its aftermath. -immediately after the war, when bullett first approached freud er, with the idea of writing the book, freud was apparently feeling very depressed, and er, he was savagely critical of his own work, and er, because he had little access to patients during the war, he generally felt quite down and also by presenting written for him, all he would need to wr all he would need to write, and according to er,other people, perhaps he was eating, he was receiving just sort of waiting to die. +tell us about various reasons, not just study of value of the great of the greatest value there. +it seems freud and perhaps even wanted to er, vent their anger on wilson, because of his failures concerning the war and its aftermath. +immediately after the war, when bullett first approached freud er, with the idea of writing the book, freud was apparently feeling very depressed, and er, he was savagely critical of his own work, and er, because he had little access to patients during the war, he generally felt quite down and also by presenting written for him, all he would need to wr all he would need to write, and according to er,other people, perhaps he was eating, he was receiving just sort of waiting to die. whether that's er,i'm not too sure. -erm, anyway, this was when bullett actually first approached freud ninetee nineteen hundred and twenty. +erm, anyway, this was when bullett actually first approached freud ninetee nineteen hundred and twenty. the disappointment with wilson felt like freud must have sort of lingered for quite a long time, cos it was not for eight years that he actually ventured on . -this was highlighting the fact, that although, er, freud thought psychoanalytic should be used in a neutral nerve and not used for any active aggression, an exception seemed to be made with woodrow wilson. +this was highlighting the fact, that although, er, freud thought psychoanalytic should be used in a neutral nerve and not used for any active aggression, an exception seemed to be made with woodrow wilson. although some may be quick to say that the vast majority of the book was actually written by bullett, and not by freud, no less than the actual intellectual framework of the book apparently seems to have been due to freud's input, er, freud certainly was psychoanalytically trained, in any, in any sense of the word. -er, perhaps the whole project could also be attributed, mainly i think, to freud's desire to try and keep open the er, the er, analytic publishing house, which he founded in and which er, basically was kept together financially from the er, forwarded, forwarded er, royalties which bullett sent from america. -er, the book has been very heavily attacked by contemporary writers even mentioned passing for the . +er, perhaps the whole project could also be attributed, mainly i think, to freud's desire to try and keep open the er, the er, analytic publishing house, which he founded in and which er, basically was kept together financially from the er, forwarded, forwarded er, royalties which bullett sent from america. +er, the book has been very heavily attacked by contemporary writers even mentioned passing for the . complaints have been made, for instance, by erm, er,. the er, book is based on an inaccurate and sometimes even fabricated evidence, due probably to the er, rather idealistic er, excitable ambitious er bullett, rather than the peaceful like of freud. -nevertheless, evidence er, was dealt with by our assorted version parent. +nevertheless, evidence er, was dealt with by our assorted version parent. much due to the influence of freud, cos of course, bullett wasn't a . -contemporary studies of wilson by, for example, or perhaps even are apparently based much more on fragmented material than bullett and freud, freud would allow. +contemporary studies of wilson by, for example, or perhaps even are apparently based much more on fragmented material than bullett and freud, freud would allow. i can't really clarify that . erm, for example, it appears that freud and bullett er, misinterpreted wilson, especially as regards to the nature of his father. for example, argues that wilson did not have any sort of homosexual likeness for his father. -but that wilson longed for a psychic union with fantasy, fantasy father. -so that er, woodrow could experience a full sense of self, to actually relate back to his himself, which er, wilson er, experienced only as a child. +but that wilson longed for a psychic union with fantasy, fantasy father. +so that er, woodrow could experience a full sense of self, to actually relate back to his himself, which er, wilson er, experienced only as a child. his childhood. -er, you have a sexualization of such a long period, wilson, er, didn't seem to have, sort of, being recorded to his sexual fantasies of that nature. +er, you have a sexualization of such a long period, wilson, er, didn't seem to have, sort of, being recorded to his sexual fantasies of that nature. although there is er a general agreement that wo situations were, were re really more complicated,in the wilson family, er,wil erm, wilson actually certainly loved his father, his er his mother an and his er father. er,wi wilson, er, did not seem to allow his father's wit and criticism to get him as much as freud had er, suggested. er, certainly evidence seems to suggest that a very genuine and close relationship developed with his father. -for ex for instance, they er, often confided in one another , usually when they to see what they actually er share each other 's deepest thoughts, and this continued throughout later life, it could be argued bu but it continued throughout later life and what they, they often communicated by er, by letter. +for ex for instance, they er, often confided in one another , usually when they to see what they actually er share each other 's deepest thoughts, and this continued throughout later life, it could be argued bu but it continued throughout later life and what they, they often communicated by er, by letter. it could be argued from this, that er, wilson's father began to identify more of his son rather than the other way round. especially as wilson's academic career flourished, and he er, and he wrote to his father less and less. -so of er, resulted in a rather er, sad feeling in his father, the thought that actually his son was starting you started to by his son. +so of er, resulted in a rather er, sad feeling in his father, the thought that actually his son was starting you started to by his son. argues that er, wilson suffered from strokes throughout his life,not even emotionally recorded due his psychological condition. the reason why this occurred er erm, the reason why this occurred was not due to some sort of er, due to emotional problems that he suffered within these repressed relations with his son. -erm, and also the reason why wilson could not actually read until the age of eleven was not due to the emotional er, problems of his father, it was due to a sort of a form of dyslexic er,th there's a hell of a lot of debate about this, er, all these things just what er, einstein is er, criticizing. -but er,sad sadly there's er, evidence that sh show that if there is a dyslexic. -erm, however, it maintains that er, freud could not have er, known about this, although it seems to invalidate if they are correct . -erm, if the move on the was psychoanalytic issue, er despite the book being generally regarded as an embarrassment to psychoanalytic, is somewhat non . -it er, has initiated others to demonstrate how the use of a psychoanalytic science for the actions of upstanding, public, historical figures. +erm, and also the reason why wilson could not actually read until the age of eleven was not due to the emotional er, problems of his father, it was due to a sort of a form of dyslexic er,th there's a hell of a lot of debate about this, er, all these things just what er, einstein is er, criticizing. +but er,sad sadly there's er, evidence that sh show that if there is a dyslexic. +erm, however, it maintains that er, freud could not have er, known about this, although it seems to invalidate if they are correct . +erm, if the move on the was psychoanalytic issue, er despite the book being generally regarded as an embarrassment to psychoanalytic, is somewhat non . +it er, has initiated others to demonstrate how the use of a psychoanalytic science for the actions of upstanding, public, historical figures. biographical studies can be found on a variety of historical people, including various artists or politicians. but this simply underlines a point that psychoanalysis is, by the very nature biographical, thus historical point, er, historical methods to trace one's actions and reports in the presents, present er, relation to those who they've experienced in the past. -if your psychoanalysis is reports, and not just the actions, of it can be a, used as arguments to er, allow this story to emphasise what the human ages evolved at specific suicide of men, erm, goes on to show examples of his erm, he actually claimed to have used this as a sort of process of identification of even fantasizing, in order to try and er demonstrate how er, i think it was hadrian's wall was built, try to identify with engineers and architects who built hadrian's wall, in order to try and work out what the actual function of the wall was. +if your psychoanalysis is reports, and not just the actions, of it can be a, used as arguments to er, allow this story to emphasise what the human ages evolved at specific suicide of men, erm, goes on to show examples of his erm, he actually claimed to have used this as a sort of process of identification of even fantasizing, in order to try and er demonstrate how er, i think it was hadrian's wall was built, try to identify with engineers and architects who built hadrian's wall, in order to try and work out what the actual function of the wall was. it wasn't, it wasn't regarded, it was regarded by a positivistic er,as just being er a big wall to stop barbarians er, attacking . -people have said he er, they seem to think, that he was more, he was more the sort of territorially divide sheriff sort of er, league of division between er, the two lands, and he was also a sort of lookout post. +people have said he er, they seem to think, that he was more, he was more the sort of territorially divide sheriff sort of er, league of division between er, the two lands, and he was also a sort of lookout post. erm, this er, again, try to be right be er try to understand the mind,instead of just, just looking at the harsh facts, the hard cold facts and trying from there. -so, in effect, there's a subjective animal which can be very useful when trying to explain a glimpse, for example, employed for example the total i e prime and er, also in the psychological . -these books also extend beyond a biographical compass of the history, by examining the development of insecurities in society, like as in the future of civilian. +so, in effect, there's a subjective animal which can be very useful when trying to explain a glimpse, for example, employed for example the total i e prime and er, also in the psychological . +these books also extend beyond a biographical compass of the history, by examining the development of insecurities in society, like as in the future of civilian. and also the relationship between the leaders and the masses in history, er, between the different groups er and then comparing the relations between these masses and different groups and different parts of history. -er, and it can be also er, also er, course in civilizations in history and trace in theory selection in society. +er, and it can be also er, also er, course in civilizations in history and trace in theory selection in society. er, psychoanalysis is important, because it acts as a realis as a realistic er, dimension to historical analysis. there is a tendency to try and lo er, continually adjust the plain hard facts, without recognizing that they are, they are in fact socially constructed. that's the objective. it must be supplemented with the subject. for allowing ourselves to look at the report and find the actions, and not just the actions themselves. erm, so in this, so in times of the woodrow wilson or perhaps freud er, took the subject too, too far. -allow his own feelings and thoughts just to run away with him, which later er, in rather er, a nasty very er, made some very disparaging remarks of the family. -but despite the er, rather individualistic nature of the context used there's enough flexibility and openness within the subject content, to say . -the psychoanalysis can be used to a limited extent, despite more collective, historical roles er, within disagreed over conflicts in people, or perhaps you say that all the time. +allow his own feelings and thoughts just to run away with him, which later er, in rather er, a nasty very er, made some very disparaging remarks of the family. +but despite the er, rather individualistic nature of the context used there's enough flexibility and openness within the subject content, to say . +the psychoanalysis can be used to a limited extent, despite more collective, historical roles er, within disagreed over conflicts in people, or perhaps you say that all the time. erm, going back to the subjective erm, psychoanalysis introduces erm, no, that's the subject erm, psychoanalysis introduces. -also historians themselves, historians themselves can't actually completely stand outside the events they are actually studying. -i mean,th th they're just moving away from the issue, because it it's using a psychoanalytic stories. -try to give a psychoanaly psychoanalytic study issue. +also historians themselves, historians themselves can't actually completely stand outside the events they are actually studying. +i mean,th th they're just moving away from the issue, because it it's using a psychoanalytic stories. +try to give a psychoanaly psychoanalytic study issue. erm, can you keep with me? the er, the very important experiences of this story were never to be received into his work. or our work. -and would be useless the er, content and electrons. -i suppose er, suppose that, suppose that er, main department store other contents from other dimensions. +and would be useless the er, content and electrons. +i suppose er, suppose that, suppose that er, main department store other contents from other dimensions. psychological content, but again, in that content, in that er, particular content, psychoanalytical context can be useful. well done,w well done , excellent, i mean. although as i said, it was perhaps a mistake, erm, both classes produced excellent papers, that th it was a first class paper, in the other class and so was yours. didn't read the book. where did you get all that material from then? -erm, books on psycho history publish yours. +erm, books on psycho history publish yours. right,. oh, you went through all the psycho history books? yeah, well done. @@ -22248,7 +22226,7 @@ you would've got away with that one. but erm, no, absolutely first rate. well done. i think you can, you can really erm, you can really be proud of yourself on that. -and erm well, what do other people think, i mean what, i suppose no one else began to look at it either. +and erm well, what do other people think, i mean what, i suppose no one else began to look at it either. i will be giving a lecture on it, so i'll have my say about it. erm, has anybody looked at any of the other books, like for example, the one on ? did you? @@ -22256,17 +22234,17 @@ i didn't have time. has anybody got the time? i'll tell you the reason why i did this. erm, in a way this was a bit provocative. -what i what i thought was, well let's have erm, woodrow wilson, okay, as you said at the beginning of the book, freud admits that he didn't like wilson, and that he felt betrayed by wilson, like a lot of people in central europe did i suppose, because you know, wilson came over erm, with fourteen points as the saviour of the world, and went away leaving with a piece of . +what i what i thought was, well let's have erm, woodrow wilson, okay, as you said at the beginning of the book, freud admits that he didn't like wilson, and that he felt betrayed by wilson, like a lot of people in central europe did i suppose, because you know, wilson came over erm, with fourteen points as the saviour of the world, and went away leaving with a piece of . and freud and a lot of other german speaking people, thought that he had let them down, because he didn't have the political goodness. erm, and so freud at the beginning says that he er, he, he had a personal dislike of er wilson, and resented him for what he had done and held him responsible for the subsequent disasters. so, so freud makes no bones about it. -erm, the book by leo who's er labour, was a labour m p, no longer er keen collection reports. +erm, the book by leo who's er labour, was a labour m p, no longer er keen collection reports. erm, on , i put in because it was the worst example i could find of the abuse of psychoanalysis for destroying somebody's personality, personality assassination by, by er a psychoanalysis. you could imagine what it's like. i mean, erm, if you didn't know it was meant to be serious, you might think it was a great send off of psychoanalysis, you know. -kind of make you hoot with laughter half the time, erm, and the contrast with that is the point, which i don't know whether any of you has looked at, of course, called gandhi's truth. -well, as you might tell from the title, gandhi's truth is the exact opposite to book, because it idealizes gandhi, it makes a, a kind of psychoanalytic behaviourography, you know as if gandhi was some er, great great kind of saint. -despite the fact that gandhi one would have thought provided rich material for psychoanalysts, like going to bed with his erm, nieces and his lady doctor erm, and naked and claiming that this was a specific exercise, erm. +kind of make you hoot with laughter half the time, erm, and the contrast with that is the point, which i don't know whether any of you has looked at, of course, called gandhi's truth. +well, as you might tell from the title, gandhi's truth is the exact opposite to book, because it idealizes gandhi, it makes a, a kind of psychoanalytic behaviourography, you know as if gandhi was some er, great great kind of saint. +despite the fact that gandhi one would have thought provided rich material for psychoanalysts, like going to bed with his erm, nieces and his lady doctor erm, and naked and claiming that this was a specific exercise, erm. nice work if you can get it. erm, and so on, so, so, so this was the, this was the, er this is what i was trying to do, try and contrast the use of psychoanalysis in, in biography, from character assassination on one hand, to hagiography at the other, and with freud's woodrow wilson somewhere in, in between , but perhaps nearer the character assassination end, because erm, neither of them, er neither of the authors were, really had, had much of a brief of woodrow wilson. and, and really it was just as experiment, and erm, the reason i put it in was, i thought, well, you know, this is, this is an ignored book, and as you, as you found to your cost, it's actually hard to come by, harder to come by than i expected. @@ -22274,13 +22252,13 @@ it's out of print. yeah, it's out of print, and erm, but i though it raised interesting issues, anyway. i mean did other people think that? and what kind of issues did you think it does raise? -it's not worth psychoanalysis -right, now as mentioned, there's a whole literature on this course,ps psycho-history, isn't there? +it's not worth psychoanalysis +right, now as mentioned, there's a whole literature on this course,ps psycho-history, isn't there? they've even got their own journal. have you, have you read any of this stuff,? erm, this is, this is what this school of thought tries to do. in the past i used to have a, a class on psycho- history, and i dropped it, and one of the reasons why i dropped it was, the lit a lot of the literary was very poor quality, for a start, and erm, people, er, students, er got that too, and i couldn't really blame them. -and, er, the other problem with it is, you really have to know quite a lot about history, or biography to really to really get into. +and, er, the other problem with it is, you really have to know quite a lot about history, or biography to really to really get into. i think you found that with wilson there was one chapter in the book, i read it in the . all the pages in biography . @@ -22288,10 +22266,10 @@ five or six pages instant analysis and it hardly no. absolutely, so two novels -if yo i hope you, i suppose you could have a whole course in psycho-history, if you really put into it enough, but for just one class, i thought it was too much to ask students to attend, to try and have to get into psycho-history, so i haven't erm, done very much of it, and this, my excuse here really was, well freud did write a book called woodrow wilson. +if yo i hope you, i suppose you could have a whole course in psycho-history, if you really put into it enough, but for just one class, i thought it was too much to ask students to attend, to try and have to get into psycho-history, so i haven't erm, done very much of it, and this, my excuse here really was, well freud did write a book called woodrow wilson. it is touching on the social sciences in the sense that woodrow wilson was an important political figure, and there is an historical dimension. so that was my excuse, for, for, for bringing it in. -but as says, i mean it raises er, a fundamental issue, which is, is psychoanalysis or, psycho, are psycho insights applicable to for example history or biology, and this is the issue, isn't it? +but as says, i mean it raises er, a fundamental issue, which is, is psychoanalysis or, psycho, are psycho insights applicable to for example history or biology, and this is the issue, isn't it? what do people think that? is it just, is it, is it, is it just trivializing, to think, to talk about, for example, woodrow wilson's childhood? i mean, does anybody think that's a trivial approach to history? @@ -22300,7 +22278,7 @@ do you think so? yeah. do everybody agree with that? you tell it -yes, of course, erm the point has to be made, that bullett, unlike contemporary erm, biographers of er wilson, those people you mentioned, actually knew wilson, and an you know, being his administration on that man as it were , and apparently bullett had a lot a first-hand erm, biographical data, didn't he, according to the book? +yes, of course, erm the point has to be made, that bullett, unlike contemporary erm, biographers of er wilson, those people you mentioned, actually knew wilson, and an you know, being his administration on that man as it were , and apparently bullett had a lot a first-hand erm, biographical data, didn't he, according to the book? also tended towards to make a judgment of him, mm. i think @@ -22318,42 +22296,42 @@ why couldn't wilson stand up to the allies, why couldn't had stand up to clement they seem to have bullied him and made him er, make concessions, and the question that freud and bullett constantly ask is, why did wilson make these concessions, especially since his position was already defined before he came to europe, you know he already laid down the fourteen points, and sold it to the american people. and then he came to europe and, and really, let it all go. and their answer of course is, look, here was erm, there's no political or historical reason, because wilson had all the cards in his hand. -the, admittedly the french and the british were on the right side, they won the war, but france er was er battered in the war, lost an awful lot of people, it's a common and although this country, although, you know, fighting in britain, the er, british economy was also badly damaged. +the, admittedly the french and the british were on the right side, they won the war, but france er was er battered in the war, lost an awful lot of people, it's a common and although this country, although, you know, fighting in britain, the er, british economy was also badly damaged. we were borrowing money from the americans to keep going, and er, we certainly weren't in any shape to dictate the terms of the peace to the americans. and er, so freud and bullett say, look if wilson had all the power at the time, and some ways the world in nineteen eighty to twenty was a bit like what it is today, after the collapse of the soviet union, really, you really only got one superpower. if, if the americans had all the power, why did woodrow wilson just sell out to the allies? so, bullett and freud conclude, well, it has to be something to do with him personally. -and their conclusion is, he couldn't stand up to, to lloyd george in and the reason was these were strong, erm, male leaders, and wilson, when it came to being with men, er, was weak, and the question asked is, why was he weak in dealing with men? +and their conclusion is, he couldn't stand up to, to lloyd george in and the reason was these were strong, erm, male leaders, and wilson, when it came to being with men, er, was weak, and the question asked is, why was he weak in dealing with men? and the answer is, well, if you look at his relationship with his father, er, he was very overawed by his father, he was very passive and submissive towards his father. and so there they, they claim that his childhood was relevant, because of this character defect in, in wilson, his inability to stand up to strong men. -even though objectively, he had all the strength on his side, and if he'd only stubbornly insisted, the allies would have had to accept the fourteen points, because there was no way that they just didn't have any erm, any clout really when when finally settled in peace. +even though objectively, he had all the strength on his side, and if he'd only stubbornly insisted, the allies would have had to accept the fourteen points, because there was no way that they just didn't have any erm, any clout really when when finally settled in peace. wilson could almost have dictated it to them, and perhaps another man would have. so this is their justification for bringing in the childhood. what do you think of that remark? is that legitimate, do you think, or not? -yeah, i think it is. erm you have, when you see the statesmen +yeah, i think it is. erm you have, when you see the statesmen well, what about the view, let me kind of play devil's advocate here against freud and bullett. what about the view? that in history, the important things of economic, er historical, social forces which transcend any individual. what about that view, that the individual person, even a powerful one, like the president of the united states, doesn't really count, compared with economic social geo-political forces, what about that argument?, how does that . is that the kind of argument that carries any weight with you? -erm, i can tell you what the other to look at the personality things like that +erm, i can tell you what the other to look at the personality things like that right, right. -it seems, you know, because freud didn't actually analyze just to make a generalization about things he knew about some of the people. +it seems, you know, because freud didn't actually analyze just to make a generalization about things he knew about some of the people. yes. and that sort of thing counts for what -yes, that's that's, let me see who that is? +yes, that's that's, let me see who that is? hi. well, that's his office there. he's not there now. i don't know. have a word with his secretary. erm, the, yes, i mean, this is a big problem, isn't it? -the question is, as you rightly say, in psychoanalysis, the analyst usually has a vast amount much more than people normally realize, i mean, i recall from my own analysis, and mean i was going between two and four times a week erm, for an hour each time and it was a good six months before she would make any interpretations, and i used to get very frustrated, you know, i used to say things like, well, what do you think of this, miss , you know. +the question is, as you rightly say, in psychoanalysis, the analyst usually has a vast amount much more than people normally realize, i mean, i recall from my own analysis, and mean i was going between two and four times a week erm, for an hour each time and it was a good six months before she would make any interpretations, and i used to get very frustrated, you know, i used to say things like, well, what do you think of this, miss , you know. what do you think of that, and she would say, well, it's too early, or we don't know yet. -you know, and she would constantly say that, and before six months, there weren't any interpretations at all. +you know, and she would constantly say that, and before six months, there weren't any interpretations at all. then when interpretations did come, particularly if i disputed them, then it would be, she would be ready with the information. -she would say, there, there's the of that dream, or those associations, with this you did. +she would say, there, there's the of that dream, or those associations, with this you did. there was all that, and so on, and she would be ready with it, and there was a lot of material there. the problem, as you rightly say, with this kind of secondhand announcers, that how do you know if you've got enough material, and that it's right? also, if you actually read the book, there is quite a lot of material in the book, it's quite a big book in some ways, and er, the material on wilson's childhood and so on, erm, is pretty detailed. @@ -22363,30 +22341,30 @@ he used to speak to the hay, as it were, and he would do this, er, rather compul this kind of speech making. and of course, when he was a man, he was famous for his speeches, apparently, he was a great, was a great waffler, you know, it was the age of wafflers, i suppose. erm, we heard a great, he was a great erm,refratition so when freud and bullett say, look, woodrow wilson was a great refratition and you can see him doing this in his childhood. -there is actual evidence that he did do it in his childhood, and th so they're not erm, they're kind of building everything on a single sentence like leo does, you know, amazingly enough, leo 's book starts with entry of who's who in a single phrase, where she calls herself daughter of, her father. -doesn't mention her mother, and leo 's whole thesis about was built on this single phrase in who's who. -words, some future researched, that the printer here, missed that bit, you know, she should have said, and her mother's name, but her mother's got missed out on the proofs or something, i don't, this is the kind of thing that happens, of course. -leo 's entire book will collapse, er, as, as, as perhaps it should. +there is actual evidence that he did do it in his childhood, and th so they're not erm, they're kind of building everything on a single sentence like leo does, you know, amazingly enough, leo 's book starts with entry of who's who in a single phrase, where she calls herself daughter of, her father. +doesn't mention her mother, and leo 's whole thesis about was built on this single phrase in who's who. +words, some future researched, that the printer here, missed that bit, you know, she should have said, and her mother's name, but her mother's got missed out on the proofs or something, i don't, this is the kind of thing that happens, of course. +leo 's entire book will collapse, er, as, as, as perhaps it should. being a writer of course, being the data problem, er, this is a big problem in psychoanalysis, because whereas erm, in an analysis, the analyst has er hundreds or probably thousands of hours' data from the pre-associations of the patient, at the end. the er, that kind of thing is never published, and or even, of course, it can't be published normally, and the result is that when analysts draw conclusions based on this very confidential data, or who were talking vastly extent. it, it's very very difficult to, to validate perhaps erm, publicly. yeah. -making explanations the other way round. +making explanations the other way round. they are theory that you made a mistake, and you've got to somehow explain that they are they are, they're starting with the end result, and of course in this particular book, they're, what they're starting with really, wasn't a general psychological biography of wilson, so much has, the problem, why did wilson give everything away in the conference? that . they work backwards as, as, as you rightly say. -the, the, the best defence you could make of that, if you wanted to make a defence of it, would be that in the nineteen twenties and thirties as we've been seeing in the lectures, i'll be saying a bit more about that some psychoanalyse was, was developing. -it's analysis of the egos as, as we've been seeing, in analysis was really all, all it could do at the beginning, after the first world war, shall we say. +the, the, the best defence you could make of that, if you wanted to make a defence of it, would be that in the nineteen twenties and thirties as we've been seeing in the lectures, i'll be saying a bit more about that some psychoanalyse was, was developing. +it's analysis of the egos as, as we've been seeing, in analysis was really all, all it could do at the beginning, after the first world war, shall we say. breaking point. after the first world war, ego analysis was developing. now one of the consequences that ego analysis was, analysts began to feel confident that they could analyze the defences of the ego, as well as what the ego repressed as a result of its defences. as a result of that, you could examine a defensive structure, and work out why it existed. for example, supposing you erm, this, this, this was used principally in child analysis, which didn't exist before the first world war, it was developed afterwards. the problem with child analysis is, children won't be associated, that can be made to free associate. -i mean, don't ask me to explain it's technical and so it's a very technical matter of ego psychology that you must accept . +i mean, don't ask me to explain it's technical and so it's a very technical matter of ego psychology that you must accept . they can't be induced to do it. and anyway, they don't have the motives. children are always for analysis, usually by their parents, they don't usually come of their . @@ -22404,7 +22382,7 @@ so that kind of thing made analysts think that they could go on more than just f the structure of ego defences, and then draw conclusions. and really, you see, that's what freud and bullett are doing in this book. they're looking at wilson's character, which was quite a, a peculiar one, in both senses of the word, and not just peculiar in the sense of, of, you obviously need to him a peculiar sense of kind of funny, funny peculiar. -and they try to work backwards, as you rightly say, to his childhood, to explain why, and, and of course they felt that their explanation, explained the favour of conflicts, because the whole thing was here was a man with an almighty father. +and they try to work backwards, as you rightly say, to his childhood, to explain why, and, and of course they felt that their explanation, explained the favour of conflicts, because the whole thing was here was a man with an almighty father. who saw himself as jesus, really, and although jesus came to save the world, he saved the world in a rather masochistic manner, by getting crucified. well, that's exactly what happened to woodrow wilson. he came to save the world in nineteen eighteen, but he got crucified by clements or lloyd george. @@ -22415,33 +22393,33 @@ the analyst normally just helps. in the end, the analysis is gonna occur, it's the patient who, who really doesn't analyze their ego comes to grips with the unconscious. of course, in a book you can't handle them, and you can't handle them when the subject is dead. so that will, corroborating dimension of psychoanalysis, what the patient does for himself and cannot possibly count, and as you rightly say, this leaves analytic biography erm, in a, in a kind of limbo. -which is, i really do unsatisfactory. -and er, one has to admit, when you look at the literature of like, you know gandhi, and and this kind of thing, and a lot of it's psycho-history stuff. +which is, i really do unsatisfactory. +and er, one has to admit, when you look at the literature of like, you know gandhi, and and this kind of thing, and a lot of it's psycho-history stuff. erm, you can't help feeling that there has been a mistake. is that your impression of this? no one does that, yes, that's erm well, what, why do you think why? -erm,just having different it's different than what +erm,just having different it's different than what yeah. it's different than what people normally think yes, it's interesting you see, if you, if you can compare freud with other writers who are in the same kind of area and league like . why do people put up with anything from . -er, we know that systematically seduced a lot of his female patients. +er, we know that systematically seduced a lot of his female patients. he forced his wife to put up with having his mistress living in the house with them. -unfortunate woman erm, er, he as long as they were winning the war, was, was open in his admiration of hitler and the nazis. -his none of this is ever mentioned about , you know, mention to anybody, and there's er, you know, er, you know, he's one of the good guys. +unfortunate woman erm, er, he as long as they were winning the war, was, was open in his admiration of hitler and the nazis. +his none of this is ever mentioned about , you know, mention to anybody, and there's er, you know, er, you know, he's one of the good guys. but er, if freud had done any of that, you'd never hear the end of it. freud, nazi lover, you know, freud, seducer, all this kind of stuff. people would go on about. -erm, and yet erm people like could get away with it. +erm, and yet erm people like could get away with it. er, you know, great ethologist, local supporter of the nazis before world war two. all forgotten afterwards. -somehow is an okay man. -okay total crap about the aggression of something, a book on aggression. +somehow is an okay man. +okay total crap about the aggression of something, a book on aggression. totally wrong. nobody animal er behaviour accepts that, that, that nonsense any more. -yeah, you know is okay, he's an okay name. +yeah, you know is okay, he's an okay name. but erm, sigmund freud as you rightly say, a moment there's anything you can see wrong if , certainly happens to darwin. you can have hardly few weeks or months go by when you see some, you know er, latest lunatic disproof of darwin, you know, appears in the press. everyone says, oh i know darwin was wrong. @@ -22462,23 +22440,23 @@ i mean take erm, people like copernicus, er, galileo and newton. if, if you look at their work, for about the first hundred years after all of them, their work was widely, er, disparaged and rejected. then after about a hundred years, suddenly people seemed to change their, to change their minds about it. of course, the hundred years is only just up for darwin and not yet up for freud, depending on when you start the hundred years it makes a . -erm, the er, there seems to be kind of latency period when great, innovations in human thought are followed by considerable turbulence and upset, and the figure responsible becomes a kind of er, you know bogey person, that, that, that, that people get, get perhaps that's certainly true of darwin, though i think it's abating now. +erm, the er, there seems to be kind of latency period when great, innovations in human thought are followed by considerable turbulence and upset, and the figure responsible becomes a kind of er, you know bogey person, that, that, that, that people get, get perhaps that's certainly true of darwin, though i think it's abating now. but er, it was certainly true of er,even be true of people like einstein, you know, the tremendous anti-einstein ruled particularly in germany which denounced it. -it was jewish and so on, and because einstein was jewish and therefore he had to be more jewish science and erm there was a book published called fifty against einstein. -einstein's comment was, one would have been enough and as usual of course, einstein was right. +it was jewish and so on, and because einstein was jewish and therefore he had to be more jewish science and erm there was a book published called fifty against einstein. +einstein's comment was, one would have been enough and as usual of course, einstein was right. one would have been enough, if they had any good arguments or data which er they didn't have. i erm, i suppose this is, this is a phenomenon of human history. the trouble with woodrow wilson, of course, is if you want to get some, get freud, well, this book is very handy, because as you've seen, it does solve all your problems. my guess is that in about twenty or thirty years' time, it would be reprinted and people would start to re-think, oh well, perhaps this is not so true. -but, but in writing historical erm, analysis and, and biography, presumably people, i mean, people can't help er writing, writing history, and trying to answer questions, like, why did woodrow wilson erm, not the fourteen points through, and presumably, one possible explanation is the kind of freud bullett approach, and presumably if you can find erm, relevant data and if you convince, and if you can convince that that's plausible, it's a legitimate thing to attempt to do. +but, but in writing historical erm, analysis and, and biography, presumably people, i mean, people can't help er writing, writing history, and trying to answer questions, like, why did woodrow wilson erm, not the fourteen points through, and presumably, one possible explanation is the kind of freud bullett approach, and presumably if you can find erm, relevant data and if you convince, and if you can convince that that's plausible, it's a legitimate thing to attempt to do. we are not saying, that necessarily it's the right thing to do, but it seems to me people are going to do it anyway, aren't they. people are anyway going to try and look for,lo look for explanations, and it may be that, you know, in fifty or a hundred years' time, peoples insight into, into freud's findings are different. and this is my personal view, as you know i think that people see, er, freud completely differently in fifty or a hundred years' time. possibly because freud himself, you now, was misunderstood. to such a large extent some of the things were misunderstood that he discovered. -and when people see psychoanalysis in a different content, then they might look back to things freud and bullett studies, and say, well, perhaps it wasn't so amusing after all. -erm, the sorry one thing i was going say before we finish, because is our only american here, and since woodrow wilson was a great american. +and when people see psychoanalysis in a different content, then they might look back to things freud and bullett studies, and say, well, perhaps it wasn't so amusing after all. +erm, the sorry one thing i was going say before we finish, because is our only american here, and since woodrow wilson was a great american. what's the, what kind of impression have you got from, er you know, from your education and, and er and trying to, focus at home about woodrow wilson? how does he seem today, by america? does he, is he regarded as a great figure, or @@ -22496,27 +22474,27 @@ yeah because i asked in the other classes, three or four american students, and i asked them the same question. it's very and they gave the same answer -the history erm, you know america,history of very interesting and erm, +the history erm, you know america,history of very interesting and erm, oh, really, oh are you? er -between the wars, and you didn't know this that erm loads of the history that i read here in britain very different from the history +between the wars, and you didn't know this that erm loads of the history that i read here in britain very different from the history yeah. so they, so do you think there's a tendency for americans still to kind of idealize wilson, but for europeans to be a bit more cynical. -well, i think not that they're afraid not to be but +well, i think not that they're afraid not to be but well, i think they have a lot to do, quite a lot to do with it. -obviously, that erm, i just think that i don't know, it, it's very different from . +obviously, that erm, i just think that i don't know, it, it's very different from . mm. -whereas god is not always really always the truth reality +whereas god is not always really always the truth reality mm. yes. -this is history that you really believe it. +this is history that you really believe it. sure. yes. but, at the same time, you should go some place else to get a different view -to get a different view, and yet i it's been very interesting it's been very interesting +to get a different view, and yet i it's been very interesting it's been very interesting you know what i mean, you know, always. -i nearly cost her a and she don't know. +i nearly cost her a and she don't know. that's true, that's true, yes, sure, yes, yes not fair. it's on a personal level @@ -22525,31 +22503,30 @@ well, it, it's just coming up to three, er, well done. congratulations and apologies. as i said i won't do this next year. not unless the book comes out again. -can i remind who isn't here. -right, if you see tell her +can i remind who isn't here. +right, if you see tell her yes,. -now if you see tell her how much we missed her. +now if you see tell her how much we missed her. er, next week we're gonna miss her even more, because she's supposed to be doing the paper. -as we'll see another if this was a black book of freud's, and in some ways you would say this was one of the blackest. +as we'll see another if this was a black book of freud's, and in some ways you would say this was one of the blackest. the other blackest, other blackest book is on next week, when we shall see freud, erm psychoanalysing not woodrow wilson, but moses. so don't miss it folks. -and certainly, make sure doesn't. +and certainly, make sure doesn't. thanks. erm,i've managed to write an essay or two, would you - -but shall, we've been thinking we started last week and we're gonna be thinking over the next few weeks, er some of the people that jesus met, some of those who confronted him who's lives came into contact with jesus christ and what difference it made to them? +but shall, we've been thinking we started last week and we're gonna be thinking over the next few weeks, er some of the people that jesus met, some of those who confronted him who's lives came into contact with jesus christ and what difference it made to them? why he ever bothered with them? -and this, incident that we have, we've had read for us by er the two pats earlier on in, from john chapter four, it's a, it's a very beautiful account of our lord's dealings with this particular lady, this samaritan woman. -and, it's not a text but perhaps a verse that we could use as a, as a springboard is verse twenty seven, and it says at this point his disciples came and they marvelled that he had been speaking with a woman! -yet, no one said what do you seek? +and this, incident that we have, we've had read for us by er the two pats earlier on in, from john chapter four, it's a, it's a very beautiful account of our lord's dealings with this particular lady, this samaritan woman. +and, it's not a text but perhaps a verse that we could use as a, as a springboard is verse twenty seven, and it says at this point his disciples came and they marvelled that he had been speaking with a woman! +yet, no one said what do you seek? or why do you speak with her? -it's interesting that although these are the thoughts going through the disciples' minds, none of them actually put them into words and asked jesus what it was all about. -as we said earlier on, he had been they had been travelling through and jesus had se settled down there for a while and sent his disciples into a,th a nearby town across the frontier, er to get some food and some provisions, er to to last them for the remainder of their journey and jesus is just sitting there by this well, he's tired, he's thirsty, weary and hungry, just waiting there and then this lady comes to draw water from the well. -this, and jesus starts speaking to her and, when they come back that amazes these disciples! +it's interesting that although these are the thoughts going through the disciples' minds, none of them actually put them into words and asked jesus what it was all about. +as we said earlier on, he had been they had been travelling through and jesus had se settled down there for a while and sent his disciples into a,th a nearby town across the frontier, er to get some food and some provisions, er to to last them for the remainder of their journey and jesus is just sitting there by this well, he's tired, he's thirsty, weary and hungry, just waiting there and then this lady comes to draw water from the well. +this, and jesus starts speaking to her and, when they come back that amazes these disciples! but for several reasons! -first of all, according to the jewish law no rabbi or teacher should ever hold conversation with a woman alone! +first of all, according to the jewish law no rabbi or teacher should ever hold conversation with a woman alone! that was taboo! -the second thing, to compound it, was that the lord jesus, obviously being a man, and should not have se , been speaking with a woman about serious and important issues! +the second thing, to compound it, was that the lord jesus, obviously being a man, and should not have se , been speaking with a woman about serious and important issues! and a strange woman at that! you didn't talk about th , you might have talked about the weather, but you never have talked about things like religion or politics with a woman! it was again, one of the unheard of things for a jewish man to do! @@ -22559,20 +22536,20 @@ and all of that made the conversation,th the fact that jesus was talking with th but, let's notice that, first of all, the lord really did speak to this woman! and what he said he said with such authority because of whom he is. and what he said to this woman resulted in the transformation of her life! -now, those three facts were true as far this particular woman is concerned, but they are also true in relation to you and to me today. +now, those three facts were true as far this particular woman is concerned, but they are also true in relation to you and to me today. the lord is waiting to speak to us, he's waiting to speak to you, he's waiting to me, through his word. and what he says with authority! it's not just oh well, yeah, well that's alright in the bible, it is his word er which has authority, greater authority than any of the so called experts, greater authority than any of the, the deliberations of men, whether they be church leaders or anything of tha , er or anything else. he speaks with authority! that was one of the reasons why the people listened to him. it says the common folk, the crowds, the populous, they heard him gladly because he spoke as one having authority! -he wasn't just pontificating, he wasn't just starting out things he thought about, he and and, ideas that had come into his head, he spoke as one who had authority and because of that they heard him. +he wasn't just pontificating, he wasn't just starting out things he thought about, he and and, ideas that had come into his head, he spoke as one who had authority and because of that they heard him. and he speaks to us today through his word with that same authority. his word has got to have that place of authority in our lives. and what he says to us can result in the complete transformation of our lives. -you see, he doesn't just speak to us for small talk, he doesn't just speak to while away the time with, with conversation. -you know, that is a good test of your relationship with a person if there is a sense in which you are embarrassed to be with them, and there's long periods of silence it's a pretty good test that it's not a deep relationship you have with them. -if you have a deep relationship with a person you can spend long periods of silence, being together and not be embarrassed, not be wondering what shall i say now? +you see, he doesn't just speak to us for small talk, he doesn't just speak to while away the time with, with conversation. +you know, that is a good test of your relationship with a person if there is a sense in which you are embarrassed to be with them, and there's long periods of silence it's a pretty good test that it's not a deep relationship you have with them. +if you have a deep relationship with a person you can spend long periods of silence, being together and not be embarrassed, not be wondering what shall i say now? or what can i say? what can i introduce into the conversation? and jesus doesn't just chat to us for the sake of chatting to us, he, when he speaks to us his words have authority, they have input, they are vital and we must pay attention to them. @@ -22584,15 +22561,15 @@ and for a little while this morning i'd like us to look briefly at four, very si they were true for this woman, but more important than that they're true for you and they're true for me today. the first reason why jesus talked with this woman was very simply because he liked her! jesus did not see people, he does see people just as people. -he doesn't see us as a part of a crowd, he doesn't see us as a number on a computer, he doesn't see us as numbers on a bank account, or in some other organizational er er er computer set up or whatever it is, he doesn't just see us as that he sees us as individuals. -you look at a crowd of people, er last, a week, a week yesterday at wembley at the billy graham mission there, er we were sitting in one place and i was looking for, for some other folk and i knew approximately where they were and there i was stand, they were, all you could really see was this mass of people, very difficult to pick out individuals within them but god doesn't see it as a mass like that. +he doesn't see us as a part of a crowd, he doesn't see us as a number on a computer, he doesn't see us as numbers on a bank account, or in some other organizational er er er computer set up or whatever it is, he doesn't just see us as that he sees us as individuals. +you look at a crowd of people, er last, a week, a week yesterday at wembley at the billy graham mission there, er we were sitting in one place and i was looking for, for some other folk and i knew approximately where they were and there i was stand, they were, all you could really see was this mass of people, very difficult to pick out individuals within them but god doesn't see it as a mass like that. if you like, it's the close up, the zoom lens is on each one of us all the time, and that's how he sees us. -he doesn't see us a mass of seventy odd thousand people in harlow today, he sees you as an individual and he loves us in that same way. +he doesn't see us a mass of seventy odd thousand people in harlow today, he sees you as an individual and he loves us in that same way. john three sixteen what it says, that god so loved the world! it doesn't just mean that he loved a mass of humani , he does that, but he doesn't love the mass as a mass, he loves the mass as individuals, one by one, god loves you! -just the same as he loved this woman of samaria, and because he loved her he wanted to communicate with her, he wanted to share with her, he had something for her. -you know, that word love it's become so devalued hasn't it? -it's er, it's not, it's just one of the most undervalued words in the english language, we use it for everything but in this context we've gotta see it clothed wi with dignity and all the glory that it deserves, god loved her! +just the same as he loved this woman of samaria, and because he loved her he wanted to communicate with her, he wanted to share with her, he had something for her. +you know, that word love it's become so devalued hasn't it? +it's er, it's not, it's just one of the most undervalued words in the english language, we use it for everything but in this context we've gotta see it clothed wi with dignity and all the glory that it deserves, god loved her! and god loves you! not for what he gets out of you. you know it's possible, and we use that word love, it's not really love, so we'll love somebody else for what they can get out of them, course do that's an undervalue of the word love, it's a, it's it's it's a, it's it's making the word totally ineffectual. @@ -22602,11 +22579,11 @@ it's his nature. god can no more stop loving you than he can stop being! his nature. it's, for us, it's something that we do, for god it's something that he is! -you know, water is wet and, even when you change it into, and you freeze it, you know, you hold the ice it still is wet when you heat it up and it's steam it's still wet! -by nature, it is wet and that's, that's just a feature of water. +you know, water is wet and, even when you change it into, and you freeze it, you know, you hold the ice it still is wet when you heat it up and it's steam it's still wet! +by nature, it is wet and that's, that's just a feature of water. god is love! it's his nature. -he doesn't stop loving us when we do wrong, he doesn't stop loving us when we turn our back on him, he doesn't stop loving us when we ignore him, he doesn't stop loving us when we, when we trample every everything that he does is when we trample it under foot and we are in total rebellion to him, he still doesn't stop loving us because he is love! +he doesn't stop loving us when we do wrong, he doesn't stop loving us when we turn our back on him, he doesn't stop loving us when we ignore him, he doesn't stop loving us when we, when we trample every everything that he does is when we trample it under foot and we are in total rebellion to him, he still doesn't stop loving us because he is love! the minute god, is a a hi hypothetical thing which is totally ridiculous, the minute god stops loving, he stops being, because he is love! that's what john tells us. god is love! @@ -22615,13 +22592,13 @@ medi , already mentioned er, that god so loved the world that he gave his only b and the apostle paul in two corinthians in chapter eight and nine he says,for you know the grace of our lord jesus christ, that though he was rich yet for your fates he became poor . that's the evidence of his love. he doesn't love in word only, he loves in deed! -he who possessed all things, laid it all aside, he who was rich became poor +he who possessed all things, laid it all aside, he who was rich became poor because he loves you, and he wants to share his riches with you, and with me. and over in galatians in chapter four, and in verse four,but when the fullness of time came god sent forth his son! god so loved the world that he gave his son and here paul said, that at the right time, at the right moment in that se , in that very day in history which was god ordained, god sent his son into this world! born of a woman, born under the law. in order that he might redeem those who are under the law, that he might bring us into his family . -and just one more scripture on this in ephesians chapter five,a and verse twenty five i , paul there, he's saying, the husbands love your wives, and he tells them how and why. +and just one more scripture on this in ephesians chapter five,a and verse twenty five i , paul there, he's saying, the husbands love your wives, and he tells them how and why. just as christ also loved the church, and he gave himself up for it . god loves you! jesus loves you! @@ -22631,23 +22608,23 @@ a poor peasant woman engaged in menial tasks. her life had been an absolute failure! what a mess she had made of it, by her own confession! an outcast in her society. -yet, jesus seeks her out because he wants to demonstrate to her that he loves her! +yet, jesus seeks her out because he wants to demonstrate to her that he loves her! just as she was. but the terrible mess she had made of her life! -with all the baggage of sin that she had around her he loved her. -and you and i can look at her and look at others and say well, we're not like that we're exactly the same as that! -because we have all sinned and come short of god's standard. +with all the baggage of sin that she had around her he loved her. +and you and i can look at her and look at others and say well, we're not like that we're exactly the same as that! +because we have all sinned and come short of god's standard. god doesn't itemize sin. -he doesn't categorize in good, bad, and not so bad, it is all sin to him and as sinners, he loves us. -we were saying earlier, he didn't wait until we were cleaned up before he loved us, but he loved us in our sin whilst we were yet sinners, the apostle says, christ died for us! -and so jesus, he draws near to this woman, and he comes to you and he comes to me, to cleanse and forgive, we'll just turn from our sin and meet him in confession. -the wise man back in proverbs in chapter twenty eight and verse thirteen he says,he who conceals his transgression will not prosper but he who confesses and forsakes them will find compassion . +he doesn't categorize in good, bad, and not so bad, it is all sin to him and as sinners, he loves us. +we were saying earlier, he didn't wait until we were cleaned up before he loved us, but he loved us in our sin whilst we were yet sinners, the apostle says, christ died for us! +and so jesus, he draws near to this woman, and he comes to you and he comes to me, to cleanse and forgive, we'll just turn from our sin and meet him in confession. +the wise man back in proverbs in chapter twenty eight and verse thirteen he says,he who conceals his transgression will not prosper but he who confesses and forsakes them will find compassion . and no matter how true that is in the natural sense, it is a, it is abundantly true as far as god is concerned. if we confess then he forgives. and the prophet, jeremiah he'll remind us of the compassion of god. says, i have loved you with an everlasting love! that's how god loves you. -not a love that changes, not a love that starts when you become nice, not a love that, you know, that well if you, if you've got, if you've got it, it's got it's good days and it's bad days i have loved you with an everlasting love says god! +not a love that changes, not a love that starts when you become nice, not a love that, you know, that well if you, if you've got, if you've got it, it's got it's good days and it's bad days i have loved you with an everlasting love says god! therefore, i have drawn you with love and kindness. and that's the sort of love that he has for you, and for me. and so jesus seeks this woman out because he loves her, and he seeks to communicate with you and with me, because he loves us! @@ -22657,13 +22634,13 @@ i want to know what it means to me. and he has talked with her, he sought her out, not just because he loved her, but because in his love he wanted to save her! he wanted to rescue her! this woman was lost and, and she knew it. -nobody needed to tell her she was a sinner she confessed it openly! +nobody needed to tell her she was a sinner she confessed it openly! she knew her situation, she knew her condition. now, there are many folk who don't realize they're sinners, they don't realize they're lost, this woman did. -but whether we're aware of it or not doesn't alter the fact that if we're outside of god, outside of jesus christ then we are lost. +but whether we're aware of it or not doesn't alter the fact that if we're outside of god, outside of jesus christ then we are lost. we don't become lost, we are already lost! jesus said, i have come to seek and to save that which is lost. -and we don't become lost at the end of lives, we don't become lost at some date in history, we are lost now if he hasn't found us. +and we don't become lost at the end of lives, we don't become lost at some date in history, we are lost now if he hasn't found us. and this woman, she realized it, others don't always realize it, but that doesn't alter the fact of the lostness. so why was she lost? was it because she'd broken the seventh commandment? @@ -22673,17 +22650,17 @@ that didn't make her lost. she was already lost! she was lost because she had never been saved! she had never been found! -and you know there's a you and i, whatever stage we are in our pilgrimage, in our journey in life, we don't become lost because of what we do. +and you know there's a you and i, whatever stage we are in our pilgrimage, in our journey in life, we don't become lost because of what we do. we don't become sinners because we commit sin. that is our nature, just as god's nature is love, so our nature is, we are sinners by nature. and it's not a case of, we become sinners because we sin, but rather the bible teaches us, we sin because we are sinners! it's the natural thing that we do! it's our nature! -and of course, the gospel is the great thing, and this is a message of the gospel, that jesus has come to change our nature and give us a new nature, put in put within us his nature. +and of course, the gospel is the great thing, and this is a message of the gospel, that jesus has come to change our nature and give us a new nature, put in put within us his nature. but that's further on. -so this woman she was lost, not because of what she'd done, but because, simply, she had never ever been found, and jesus had come to find her, he had come to rescue her, he had come to save her. +so this woman she was lost, not because of what she'd done, but because, simply, she had never ever been found, and jesus had come to find her, he had come to rescue her, he had come to save her. paul, when he's writing to timothy in the first letter, and in chapter one and in verse fifteen, the great apostle paul! -he says it's a trustworthy statement deserving full acceptance that christ jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom i am foremost of all! +he says it's a trustworthy statement deserving full acceptance that christ jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom i am foremost of all! the great apostle paul, says i am the chief of sinners ! but christ came into the world to save sinners! the reason that jesus talked with this woman was that he wanted to save her. @@ -22694,27 +22671,27 @@ he doesn't, you know, talk about all the hardships she's had, and it's been very he doesn't come with a judgemental way. he says, i haven't come to judge the world, i haven't come to condemn you, you're already under condemnation! he says, i've come to rescue you, to save you! -and so, he comes and to reveal to her, her sinful condition and need but also to forgive her sin. +and so, he comes and to reveal to her, her sinful condition and need but also to forgive her sin. and that's a tremendous thing when we come to god in christ, the first thing he does for us is to forgive us our sins. but you say, i haven't done anything against god. oh we have! cos it's all sin. whether er, if i sin i'm wronging, and i've wronged you. you say, well it's against me. -no, it's against god first of all because all sin is rebellion against god. -that's why david could say, against thee, thee only have i sinned after he's committed adultery, after he's committed murder, after he's involved other people in his nefarious deeds he can still say i've committed sin against god! +no, it's against god first of all because all sin is rebellion against god. +that's why david could say, against thee, thee only have i sinned after he's committed adultery, after he's committed murder, after he's involved other people in his nefarious deeds he can still say i've committed sin against god! i've wronged others! i've done terrible harm to them! but my sin is against god! and he's the only one who can forgive that sin. other's forgive me for the wrong doing, and for the harm i do to them, but it's only god who can forgive my sin. -oh the, the scribes, the pharisees were quite right on o , on several occasions when jesus forgave people they said ha! +oh the, the scribes, the pharisees were quite right on o , on several occasions when jesus forgave people they said ha! who does this man think he is, forgiving people sin! only god can forgive sin! and they're quite right, only god could forgive sin. -that's who jesus is god in flesh, and he came to forgive sin and he wanted to forgive this woman her sin. +that's who jesus is god in flesh, and he came to forgive sin and he wanted to forgive this woman her sin. and not only to forgive her sin, he also wanted to cleanse her. -let me read you those tremendous ver words from john, first john in chapter one, says if we walk in the light as he is in the light, he or your fellowship with one another, and the blood of jesus, his son, cleanses us from all sins. +let me read you those tremendous ver words from john, first john in chapter one, says if we walk in the light as he is in the light, he or your fellowship with one another, and the blood of jesus, his son, cleanses us from all sins. see, cleansing is not forgiveness. cleansing, if you like, is the next stage, it's taking away all trace of the sin, it's taking away the mark, the residue of the sin, it cleanses us from all sin. if we confess our sins he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. @@ -22722,25 +22699,25 @@ and that's not repetition, it's two different things. he forgives us ours sin and he cleanses us from all our sin. and then the, the fourth thing there that jesus wants to show to this woman as well, was that he wanted to break the power of sin in her life. telling her what was wrong with her, which she already knew. -even forgiving her and cleansing her was not enough because tomorrow's another day, tomorrow's got it's temptations and wonderful though forgiveness is i need more than just being forgiven. +even forgiving her and cleansing her was not enough because tomorrow's another day, tomorrow's got it's temptations and wonderful though forgiveness is i need more than just being forgiven. that deals with the past. might deal with this present moment, but i need something for tomorrow, and the next day, and week next week, and next year. jesus came not just to forgive and to cleanse, but to break the power of sin in her life. -tells us that the son makes you free. +tells us that the son makes you free. you shall be free indeed. now, all these things are not just for this woman, they were for you, and they're for me. -then again, he talked with her because he longed to satisfy to meet her needs, as a human being she'd aspiration, she'd hope, she'd desires and as she looked back on her life, some of them may have been fulfilled, some of her plans may have been realized, but there must have been an awful emptiness, and awful hollowness about so much. +then again, he talked with her because he longed to satisfy to meet her needs, as a human being she'd aspiration, she'd hope, she'd desires and as she looked back on her life, some of them may have been fulfilled, some of her plans may have been realized, but there must have been an awful emptiness, and awful hollowness about so much. she had tried so many times, she had tried so many things! and if we're honest, that is so often our story. -we want satisfaction, we want completeness in life, and so we try this and it gives it for a moment, but when it's finished we've gotta try something else. +we want satisfaction, we want completeness in life, and so we try this and it gives it for a moment, but when it's finished we've gotta try something else. last year's holiday was great, last year, and i might get a bit of enjoyment out of looking at the photographs, but i'm still paying for one again this year! because you see, i i want some, there's this continual requirement of,o that we need satisfaction, we need fulfilment. and jesus longed to meet this woman on that her deep need of fulfilment. -and he uses a picture, he says, look, you're gonna come and you're, you're drawing this water and you're gonna come back tomorrow and get some more, and the next day you'll come with your jugs and have some more water, and that's the story of your life, coming back again, and again, and again but the, the water that i will give you, that won't be an external source outside of you, that's gonna be within you! +and he uses a picture, he says, look, you're gonna come and you're, you're drawing this water and you're gonna come back tomorrow and get some more, and the next day you'll come with your jugs and have some more water, and that's the story of your life, coming back again, and again, and again but the, the water that i will give you, that won't be an external source outside of you, that's gonna be within you! a well of water springing up into everlasting life! he says, that satisfaction you're seeking, you're not finding it outside! -he said, like coming to this well for your jug of water every day it's alright while i , the jug, there's some in the jug, but when you've drunk it all the jug's empty and it doesn't do a thing for you! +he said, like coming to this well for your jug of water every day it's alright while i , the jug, there's some in the jug, but when you've drunk it all the jug's empty and it doesn't do a thing for you! he said but, why do that? why not have the well within you? why not have the light within you so you don't have to go and get it outside but it's there dwelling within you, day by day, moment by moment? @@ -22748,35 +22725,35 @@ and he longs to meet this woman's need. and we can try all sorts of things. and there's, there's things are not necessarily wrong, there's the legitimate things, erm,wi within our work,th there's a, there's job satisfaction, but there's more to that than, in life than just job satisfaction. there's the satisfaction in our home, and our family, in having a good home and a nice home and,a and the the material benefits that we are able to er, to to achieve. -there's nothing wrong with them as such but he says the real satisfaction isn't to be found in them, it's within you. +there's nothing wrong with them as such but he says the real satisfaction isn't to be found in them, it's within you. it's not in an external thing. -because, after all, what happens that last year's model it wears,y y , you're a bit fed up with it! +because, after all, what happens that last year's model it wears,y y , you're a bit fed up with it! and a new model comes out and you want that! and you get a bit fed up of it, i mean, after all, unless you're into sort of -veteran cars, who wants to, who wants to drive around in an old ford poplar of of twenty, twenty five, thirty years ago? +veteran cars, who wants to, who wants to drive around in an old ford poplar of of twenty, twenty five, thirty years ago? nobody! -because what is produced today is so much better. +because what is produced today is so much better. but the thing is, what's gonna be produced next year will be better still! and the year after that will be still better! -and so, we're constantly wa , seeking for something else and god says hang on! +and so, we're constantly wa , seeking for something else and god says hang on! the real source of enjoyment should be within you, and that's what i will give to you. -and then, finally, he talked with this woman, and he wants to talk with us because he wants to use us, he wanted to use her. -and this how li , this is how god spreads the gospel, this is how he spreads his message through his people through using his pe , using in the very best sense of the word, he doesn't make use of us he involves us in his work, and so, he saves us, he satisfies us and then he sends us forth, and he does that with this woman. -he says, you go and tell, go and tell your family and, she's embarrassed said well erm erm, and if i did, don't worry he said,i know you , i know your family situation, i know your background, you don't have to tell me it, i know it all! -i know that you've been through husbands until now th y y , the feller you're living with, your seventh husband is not e , you're e actually married to him. +and then, finally, he talked with this woman, and he wants to talk with us because he wants to use us, he wanted to use her. +and this how li , this is how god spreads the gospel, this is how he spreads his message through his people through using his pe , using in the very best sense of the word, he doesn't make use of us he involves us in his work, and so, he saves us, he satisfies us and then he sends us forth, and he does that with this woman. +he says, you go and tell, go and tell your family and, she's embarrassed said well erm erm, and if i did, don't worry he said,i know you , i know your family situation, i know your background, you don't have to tell me it, i know it all! +i know that you've been through husbands until now th y y , the feller you're living with, your seventh husband is not e , you're e actually married to him. i know all about you! he said, and i want to use you. go and tell them. -go and tell the folk back in the village, go and tell those who are related to you what you have heard today. -tell them, what i've said to you the message that i have given to you . +go and tell the folk back in the village, go and tell those who are related to you what you have heard today. +tell them, what i've said to you the message that i have given to you . that i love you! that i want to save you. that i can satisfy you, go and tell them! -and so this woman, she didn't preach a sermon, but she does give her a testament, she goes back and she gets the folk in the village, and she says, come see someone, meet someone, let me introduce you to someone who has told me everything that i have ever done! -isn't this the christ ? -isn't this the messiah ? +and so this woman, she didn't preach a sermon, but she does give her a testament, she goes back and she gets the folk in the village, and she says, come see someone, meet someone, let me introduce you to someone who has told me everything that i have ever done! +isn't this the christ ? +isn't this the messiah ? i'm quite sure she said more than just that. -i'm quite sure that when she said that, come see a man that told me everything i did, she didn't just leave it there, but she'd have put such words as and he didn't condemn me he didn't berate me he didn't point a judgemental finger at me, but he loved me! +i'm quite sure that when she said that, come see a man that told me everything i did, she didn't just leave it there, but she'd have put such words as and he didn't condemn me he didn't berate me he didn't point a judgemental finger at me, but he loved me! he saved me! he forgave me! he's cleansed me! @@ -22784,7 +22761,7 @@ he's made me a new person! isn't this the christ? come and see him for yourself! and they do just that. -they go off to see just what she's on about because she's told them, he'll do the same for you, what he's done for me, he can do for you as well! +they go off to see just what she's on about because she's told them, he'll do the same for you, what he's done for me, he can do for you as well! he wants to lo , he wants to show his love to you. he wants to forgive you. he wants to cleanse you. @@ -22808,52 +22785,51 @@ and i want to use you. i want you to become a co-labourer together with me. i want you to get involved in sharing what i'm doing for you with other folk. that's what he wants to say to her, i believe. -as we read that account, oh yes, we can read as a historical account of jesus' encounter with this woman, but it's more than that it's the sort of encounter he wants to have with you, and he wants to have with me. +as we read that account, oh yes, we can read as a historical account of jesus' encounter with this woman, but it's more than that it's the sort of encounter he wants to have with you, and he wants to have with me. the sort of encounter that he wants us to have with him. -meeting us where we are, meeting as in our needs there, and then changing us and sending us out as his followers, with his message sharing, that's all this woman did, simply sharing what god, in christ had done for her. -come and see what he's done for me! -and their testament at the end was yes! +meeting us where we are, meeting as in our needs there, and then changing us and sending us out as his followers, with his message sharing, that's all this woman did, simply sharing what god, in christ had done for her. +come and see what he's done for me! +and their testament at the end was yes! we believe it now. -not just because of what you've said, that wetted our appetite, that intrigued us, that aroused our curiosity, but we believe it because we have seen and heard for ourselves and we've recognized his authority. +not just because of what you've said, that wetted our appetite, that intrigued us, that aroused our curiosity, but we believe it because we have seen and heard for ourselves and we've recognized his authority. we're gonna sing now. arnold, would you do me a favour please? -could you slip out and retrieve our pianist? +could you slip out and retrieve our pianist? thank you. -songs, in the songs of fellowship it's number one sixty one, one hundred and sixty one. -takes, this song takes up that theme that jesus introduces to his disciples about a harvest being ready. -the interesting thing, just in passing, that particular time of the year was not actually harvest time, and as jesus looked over the harvest field it wasn't the harvest field that was ripened corn, it was actually full of green shoots, and it is the harvest now is ripe, it's plenteous because he wasn't talking about that, he was talking about men and women. +songs, in the songs of fellowship it's number one sixty one, one hundred and sixty one. +takes, this song takes up that theme that jesus introduces to his disciples about a harvest being ready. +the interesting thing, just in passing, that particular time of the year was not actually harvest time, and as jesus looked over the harvest field it wasn't the harvest field that was ripened corn, it was actually full of green shoots, and it is the harvest now is ripe, it's plenteous because he wasn't talking about that, he was talking about men and women. one sixty one in that. -and chris takes that theme up here, the fields, they're ready for harvest they're all, what is needed is labours. -whilst we're singing this can we take up our morning offering. +and chris takes that theme up here, the fields, they're ready for harvest they're all, what is needed is labours. +whilst we're singing this can we take up our morning offering. here i am. holy available. let's pause there and pray shall we? and we have to confess lord that, words are very easy to say and to sing -and we can sing them and, feel that we're doing the right thing and go our way but lord we pray that the words we sing might be the words that we means, and the words that we say might be the things and the, the way we mean to conduct our lives. -we thank you that you sought us out and you demonstrated your great love for us, and you reached out and rescued us saved us. +and we can sing them and, feel that we're doing the right thing and go our way but lord we pray that the words we sing might be the words that we means, and the words that we say might be the things and the, the way we mean to conduct our lives. +we thank you that you sought us out and you demonstrated your great love for us, and you reached out and rescued us saved us. you forgave us our sins, you cleansed us from all unrighteousness. and you have given your holy spirit to dwell within us. and you have given power over sin. not withstanding lord, we have to confess that we still fail you again and again, but we thank you that you provide power for us, to live lives that are pleasing to you. -we thank you lord that you've done all this for us and we find our satisfaction in you. +we thank you lord that you've done all this for us and we find our satisfaction in you. we find our reason for life in you. -we find in you our, our our well of springing up there within us as you dwell in us. +we find in you our, our our well of springing up there within us as you dwell in us. dear lord we, we want to be of use to you, we want to be of service to you, we want to be salt and light in our communities, we want to be your labourers, working together with you. and as we've been singing we just want those words to be true in our experience. -here we are available to you. +here we are available to you. not to do our thing, but to do your thing. not to go at our charge, but to go at your charge. -not to be individuals doing our own thing and, walking our own path, but working together with you, in harmony with you and your body in our community, in our situation where we are. -lord, as we look around we see a a tremendous harvest and we just pray that we might be honourable and faithful in the task that you give to us. -the responsibility that you lay upon us in being involved in your harvest at this time. +not to be individuals doing our own thing and, walking our own path, but working together with you, in harmony with you and your body in our community, in our situation where we are. +lord, as we look around we see a a tremendous harvest and we just pray that we might be honourable and faithful in the task that you give to us. +the responsibility that you lay upon us in being involved in your harvest at this time. as we ask it in your name for your glory. -we realize lord, that we can't do it ourself we are totally dependent upon you and yet we thank you for this. -oh lord we as offer ourselves to you, we think of those who have been unable to be with us today for whatever reason, some on holiday, and we just pray for your blessing to be with each one, and to be with all of as we ask it in your name for your praise and glory. +we realize lord, that we can't do it ourself we are totally dependent upon you and yet we thank you for this. +oh lord we as offer ourselves to you, we think of those who have been unable to be with us today for whatever reason, some on holiday, and we just pray for your blessing to be with each one, and to be with all of as we ask it in your name for your praise and glory. amen. ? yes. surely. - right. so that's the charter mark, we're going for it again but i don't think the impact will be, you know the main impact was, was last time. i put on that your newsletter that i sent round in york er to tell staff we were going for it again, so you know th @@ -22861,7 +22837,7 @@ start wearing your badges. start wearing your badges yes, yes, keep up appearances. right mrs bouquet. -the next, yeah that's right yeah yeah +the next, yeah that's right yeah yeah i put keep on keeping up appearances or something, yeah. appearances, bids for f various funding, there are three issues on that that came up at c s m t. @@ -22873,11 +22849,11 @@ so yeah very good. so erm you know a fair chunk of money again and er yeah the first two years -alan's already had initial discussions with a few of us and with graham about what the next stage should be erm but that's really not been finalized yet. +alan's already had initial discussions with a few of us and with graham about what the next stage should be erm but that's really not been finalized yet. but there will obviously be sort of an ongoing training and so on because i, i know that in some ways i think it's been very mixed and i qu i put it is mixed. it on the agenda and i'd quite like to talk about it today. -but erm i think really at the end of the day staff have only really had just that one day workshop, +but erm i think really at the end of the day staff have only really had just that one day workshop, mhm. some of which went better than others mm. @@ -22886,7 +22862,7 @@ mm. one day. mm. and i think it's finding -people's perceptions of those one days are so different +people's perceptions of those one days are so different aren't they? it's really strange isn't it? mm. @@ -22916,20 +22892,20 @@ but there were certain elements that remained in, in their, in, in their mind yeah. that, that spoilt the course or were not relevant and they'd forgotten about the relevant bits. mm yes, yeah. -yeah remember the parts +yeah remember the parts yeah. yeah. good points. -but i think perhaps it's no it's not only with that course i th think it's lots of other anyway, haven't you? +but i think perhaps it's no it's not only with that course i th think it's lots of other anyway, haven't you? yeah with other training as well, yeah we are in, yeah. -yeah +yeah we, we occasionally get forms through but er there mm. doesn't seem to be a set system at the moment whereby you know we mm. should be sitting down with staff who've been on courses. mm, yeah alan's very keen to promote that. -tendency if you talk about it you'd be honest but to write it on a form you'd be +tendency if you talk about it you'd be honest but to write it on a form you'd be exactly. i wasn't scared the other thing is to talk it over with your line manager, so that if you've picked something up you want to implement yourself back at, in the workplace then @@ -22947,7 +22923,7 @@ mm. that's right, mm. with time to really get issues like that under way. that's right. -but erm w we haven't got that, so anyway something +but erm w we haven't got that, so anyway something kevin shall we get yes kevin. i'll do it. @@ -22955,19 +22931,19 @@ you'd like to do it, yeah. mm. erm the, the second lost me bit. oh here it is. -the second bid issue is the careers service branch development fund which is the one that's available every year, but we originally had jane 's project, the f e project and so, erm now this year the bids have been asked to be on certain subject areas. +the second bid issue is the careers service branch development fund which is the one that's available every year, but we originally had jane 's project, the f e project and so, erm now this year the bids have been asked to be on certain subject areas. and er we were quite fortunate in this cos i went, had to go to a meeting in sheffield and i hadn't realized in advance but at this meeting the people at the meeting were asked to give recommendations as to what priorities should be given in terms of awarding the bids. so i came away with this sort of inside information -ah +ah of what was going to be favoured. -erm it sort of backfired a bit on poor er ray because he'd actually written up a bid er for us to do, which was about investors in people to actually h appoint somebody to control that process which would take on board all of the training and +erm it sort of backfired a bit on poor er ray because he'd actually written up a bid er for us to do, which was about investors in people to actually h appoint somebody to control that process which would take on board all of the training and mm. quality issues and mm. so on. but at this meeting i went to, people there felt very strongly that services should not be awarded funding to go for investors in people. because if services -should be doing it +should be doing it were doing it on their own two feet, yeah. then you know why should it be seen as a disincentive for them to that and services that hadn't been bothered to do that be given money. @@ -22999,19 +22975,19 @@ mm. yeah. it is yeah. when, is there a, a date when the bids will be announced? -probably, but i don't know when it is . +probably, but i don't know when it is . you don't know when it is. no . no i don't know when they're making decisions, the deadline for them being in was the end of the financial year, right. -and one of the criteria that derek said that they would, would be supporting bids were for ones that would start at the beginning of may. +and one of the criteria that derek said that they would, would be supporting bids were for ones that would start at the beginning of may. tt. right so come under yeah . come under. -and in fact we said that we would be able to start it on the, at the beginning of may, even though we knew we wouldn't,we thought we'd say that +and in fact we said that we would be able to start it on the, at the beginning of may, even though we knew we wouldn't,we thought we'd say that just nod in agreement. yeah. so you know, nothing might come of that but if it does erm i would be very keen to actually er the, the plan was to second a member of c s m t for six months to do it, and i would be very keen to do it i must admit. @@ -23032,7 +23008,7 @@ pete . mm. pete , that sort of thing. mm. -er and of course erm roger 's quite keen on that idea as +er and of course erm roger 's quite keen on that idea as mm. well, and he's the one that'll make the decision i think cos he's got hold of the money. so @@ -23048,23 +23024,23 @@ but i think certainly the one on standards and indicators is so central to every mm. are going to be doing under the new contract think you could only learn from that really. erm links with n y t e c was the next thing on the agenda, just to report back that jane and paul have had a long meeting with roger and helen from the tech. -i think it was really because paul felt that everything was going really well with the partnership board, and he'd been erm putting a lot of work in with people like erm from scarborough, and john and er other people who are on the board, but he'd rather been neglecting building up a really good working relationship with n y t e c. +i think it was really because paul felt that everything was going really well with the partnership board, and he'd been erm putting a lot of work in with people like erm from scarborough, and john and er other people who are on the board, but he'd rather been neglecting building up a really good working relationship with n y t e c. so he decided he needed to invest some time in, in that. and erm they had a, obviously a very productive meeting and, and it, they didn't say a lot about it but overall they said that really roger and helen now had a much better understanding of the direction we wanted to go in in the future and were pretty supportive of it really. and certainly on to the point of wanting to bail out and contract right. -bid for a contract to run a careers service on their own +bid for a contract to run a careers service on their own yeah. or anything like that. mm. which i understand another er local tech are, are actually doing. erm we talked about the y t guarantee. -erm but that's all a bit depressing cos talk about the y t guarantee . +erm but that's all a bit depressing cos talk about the y t guarantee . that's what he talked about at the s w g isn't it? yes it is. is it? -yeah on the tenth of may there's s w g +yeah on the tenth of may there's s w g hmm. and that's one of the main topics of conversation and a representative of n y t e c will be there. so it's from a guarantee point of view rather than how to compile the stats? @@ -23076,7 +23052,7 @@ n y t e c yeah but i think what w jane is going to do is invite somebody from n y t e c to join us later, so that we have chance to get our act together mm. and er paper over cracks before they come. -yeah so +yeah so so you're all singing the same song. yeah. same key. @@ -23096,8 +23072,8 @@ yeah i've still been working though. erm you haven't been in the office is what i mean, in the centre. thank you. -in the centre -centre +in the centre +centre yeah. you've been in the centre of things. you're always in the centre of things . @@ -23154,7 +23130,7 @@ erm so i really don't know, i mean i tt in a sense i, i sort of feel that, that yeah. because i think that when you look at year eleven we're at a disadvantage mhm. -because other things, oh one other thing that i was particularly keen that was taken into consideration is applications for training. +because other things, oh one other thing that i was particularly keen that was taken into consideration is applications for training. for y t. mm. because w in an analysis of that, this division, does getting on fo i think it was forty seven percent of @@ -23171,7 +23147,7 @@ yeah. in terms of erm time. it's different time groups . hmm. -unless a formula can be worked out, if you put all this stuff in, unless a formula can be worked out i mean you might as well just to year eleven full stop. +unless a formula can be worked out, if you put all this stuff in, unless a formula can be worked out i mean you might as well just to year eleven full stop. i know. but it's each, yeah. @@ -23224,13 +23200,13 @@ yes i told keith about that. office in easingwold as well. we have to go into easingwold. -well i don't think we have because i don't think it's been included in the programme this year . +well i don't think we have because i don't think it's been included in the programme this year . last year but the van every week. haven't got any staff to do it this, we managed to do it last year . cos it -cath says it wasn't worth it . +cath says it wasn't worth it . if you're looking at that, we maintain three point centres yeah. mm. @@ -23242,7 +23218,7 @@ i said i'd let him know the total number of, of contact days or whatever with sh so you can imagine the sort of conversations we're gonna have when ray and cynthia are talking about the distances between things and i'm going to be saying you know if i want to go from piccadilly to tech house, it can take me at least half an hour. yeah. exactly yeah. -it takes jane no longer than that to come from thirsk. +it takes jane no longer than that to come from thirsk. that's right. mm. but tt i'm not looking forward to it. @@ -23272,7 +23248,7 @@ yeah. mm. mm. but the thing i keep coming back to when i look at the figures is that northallerton is only a third bigger than selby. -cath's getting fed up of me saying this . +cath's getting fed up of me saying this . no i was only thinking that when you talk about yeah. northallerton when you think of the traffic that goes through richmond it's nearly as high as what goes through @@ -23283,18 +23259,18 @@ mm. yeah. so there can't be much going on in thirsk and leyburn. no. -no cynthia said that last line didn't she? -no she said that that's why last line of yeah. +no cynthia said that last line didn't she? +no she said that that's why last line of yeah. but you see you still have to have a person there while we're that's right. still maintaining the offices. that's right. and er -you might end up down to once a week if it's twice or whatever +you might end up down to once a week if it's twice or whatever yeah. you know. mm. -but we're looking to open full time. +but we're looking to open full time. mm. gone on th it was being looked at at one point @@ -23328,19 +23304,19 @@ and sickness as well if you're looking at yeah. counselling for sickness. excuse me . -erm alison from the job centre is on the phone, and i asked her if it was urgent and she said, fairly urgent, it's regards to the article +erm alison from the job centre is on the phone, and i asked her if it was urgent and she said, fairly urgent, it's regards to the article to do with article. erm it's concerning the photograph, and she just wondered if you had anything in mind for the photograph or if, if you wanted to leave it up to the press? tt erm i did wonder if this might happen actually i couldn't remember whether they wanted a photograph or not. cath, can you ever remember whether we've had a photograph taken at the recruitment fair? don't think so. i don't. -no i haven't seen a picture. +no i haven't seen a picture. seen two possible but when the p cos the press have been there i mean they ha they had their own stand, they've not taken a photograph have they? oh. no i don't think so. -that on the left, did they have a photograph of it? +that on the left, did they have a photograph of it? try and think about the initial one when the lord mayor opened it. tt you see the, the press might have something, they're actually taking part in the event that the erm right @@ -23354,7 +23330,7 @@ greater york aren't we? yeah. i mean then we didn't even go into fulford, we stopped there. yeah -erm +erm you'd, you'd, you'd, you'd have , huntington and fulford you wouldn't have easingwold or tadcaster though. it would, it would @@ -23371,7 +23347,7 @@ oh that's right. oh yeah the, the i think er actually other thing about -yeah the other thing on staffing tt which is a related, but in a sense i'm trying to keep it as something of a separate issue, and that is to do with the amount of management time. +yeah the other thing on staffing tt which is a related, but in a sense i'm trying to keep it as something of a separate issue, and that is to do with the amount of management time. i've started to talk to alan about what i see as a lack of, of management time erm in this division. erm but i must say that i know the view of erm both ray and cynthia is that they have a lack of management time in relation to the other two divisions, because they don't have the assistant divisional manager post. so it's yet another argument that you know everybody's got their legitimate view on and erm at the end of the day there's actually likely to be less money in the pot rather than more. @@ -23395,12 +23371,12 @@ so we'd have to go through it the next day anyway. do you want me to come on the nineteenth as well? so cos that seems to be the day when the arguments and discussions may be er set -yes it is rather yes no i can't get you in to that one. +yes it is rather yes no i can't get you in to that one. but y you'll be there on the twentieth. i could just turn up and say, oh am i a day too early? shame to go back, i'll stay today as well. -you'll have to be play it very carefully on the er on the thursday and not look as if you , yeah -you can nod, what you do is you, when you nod +you'll have to be play it very carefully on the er on the thursday and not look as if you , yeah +you can nod, what you do is you, when you nod ah but! i'll kick you under the table or something. yeah. @@ -23416,7 +23392,7 @@ mm. what ab you know the posts that we've got funded through y t on action plans? yeah. is that, is any news, is that just gonna continue at the moment, what's happening there? -jane's been talking to paul about it and he's being very non committal because of this y t s t m review +jane's been talking to paul about it and he's being very non committal because of this y t s t m review right. you see? but he's hopeful that it will continue. @@ -23439,12 +23415,12 @@ mm. you see there's clear evidence on that because the number of action plans that are completed mhm. mm. -yes still, still +yes still, still erm jane gave me the figures and as i say this division is about forty seven percent. -but following on from that number of second and thirds and fourths that are done? +but following on from that number of second and thirds and fourths that are done? exactly. well one assumes that that pattern -and you know i mean +and you know i mean oh yes i see what you mean yeah. that the load is more than just the initial action of my division @@ -23474,7 +23450,7 @@ yeah. has the time in that division has to put in but there isn't adequate funding for, for yeah but that was proportional you could proportion it -yeah but proportionate +yeah but proportionate across the county wouldn't it? still. you need to, it needs to be based on initial one because that's @@ -23496,9 +23472,9 @@ you probably had one like that, i've got about twenty in the c drawer at home. he retired after the last c e t and he gave me all his pens and stuff. alright, okay. plus they've changed the name it's not a polytechnic any more. -yeah that's +yeah that's yes quite a lot of them. -redundant +redundant he's liaison officer for the polytechnic he's not at . which polytechnic was it? napier. @@ -23532,7 +23508,7 @@ mm. but it's been really hard for her to juggle. there is the er the other way of looking at this that you can either change the er sort of c o balance or you can give her some clerical time, because if she can identify clerical work i mean like diane mm. -erm who helps woody helps, helps jackie +erm who helps woody helps, helps jackie yeah erm used to help colette a little bit. mm does she no longer help gail? @@ -23542,7 +23518,7 @@ this, to see whether diane can help gail as well cos if gail said, fine i can th yeah. which will really take a lot of time. mm. -well it makes sense cos it must be jackie's . +well it makes sense cos it must be jackie's . well that's right. and so we could possibly you know just increase diane's time a little bit, which would really help gail. @@ -23560,7 +23536,7 @@ it's the follow up it's the phone calling yeah. and the follow up of cases yeah. -that needs to be time consuming +that needs to be time consuming it's, it's jackie now in a sense that, it's a bit easier for her to s to say, this client is definitely mine,i i this client clearly has a special need, whereas gail's dealing with the peripheral ones, mm have they got a problem or not? @@ -23577,7 +23553,7 @@ what do you think sylvia? cos you have been involved with special needs here hmm. and i mean i know gail has had difficulty in having much of an input in this office. -yeah, i don't know really sue i mean er i'm not sure it's, it's +yeah, i don't know really sue i mean er i'm not sure it's, it's difficult to say how, how it's changed really the thing is that it, in this office we, we tend to pick 'em up between sylvia and myself really yeah. @@ -23593,14 +23569,14 @@ mm. to be honest. no. cos they're mainly in college -because never any any contact. +because never any any contact. it's, it's rarely that gail, i don't think i've ever seen gail in here. mm. th i mean she might have been in and out of she just pops in to pick units up but she just pops in to pick units up basically. -but erm so, so it's difficult to know exactly what's happening now, and unless i see it in the office. -but it's like the residential school ones like from and places like that. +but erm so, so it's difficult to know exactly what's happening now, and unless i see it in the office. +but it's like the residential school ones like from and places like that. they actually make an appointment for, for for, well i've seen 'em yeah yeah yeah. because they're returning to the area. @@ -23608,7 +23584,7 @@ they what's available in the area so i've, i've seen them that's right yeah. erm so i don't think there is a, the role required in the selby area in the same sense and -no no no +no no no i think one of the things we need to look at when we look at case loads is whether gail is the appropriate person to be dealing with the college? i think we've mentioned this before? mm yes, yeah. @@ -23626,7 +23602,7 @@ yeah. doing more than's expected of her. yeah. mm. -erm i, i just get this feeling, you know one would expect that year eleven is a reasonable way of working out what the, the sort of workload is, and you would think that special needs would actually be something that really related quite nicely +erm i, i just get this feeling, you know one would expect that year eleven is a reasonable way of working out what the, the sort of workload is, and you would think that special needs would actually be something that really related quite nicely mm. to year eleven, but i just seem to get the feeling that we, we do they give extra weighting for special needs? @@ -23705,7 +23681,7 @@ mm. mm. i don't want to say anything about this at all just bite your tongue kev -because if i say anything i'm just keeping quiet here. +because if i say anything i'm just keeping quiet here. well i think that it's, it's a shame that the y d p did come to an end really, because i mean i know there are a lot of problems with it, but i think that keith was doing a fairly good job of trying to resolve some of them yes. and that we do, training credits are going to come @@ -23713,7 +23689,7 @@ mm mm mm. and everybody seems to keep burying their head in the sa well when i say everybody i mean the tech particularly are burying their head in the sand, they don't seem to want to invest anything in preparing for, they're called youth credits now aren't they? erm but before we know it they will be on top of us. mm. -but the,th when we had the y d p conference at scarborough, valerie was saying that the government was looking at career education. +but the,th when we had the y d p conference at scarborough, valerie was saying that the government was looking at career education. and the way she was talking it looked like they were gon they were going to put some more and invest some time, money ah. into careers education in the, in the schools er @@ -23745,7 +23721,7 @@ yeah. in fact yes it's ninety four isn't it? cos you're actually preparing for the credits bef the year, the academic year before aren't you? and is it just, i mean does training credits just go through year eleven or is there preparation work in year ten for it? -that depends on, i mean talking about action planning and +that depends on, i mean talking about action planning and contract with the government, at that stage i suppose, won't it? i depend on how they decide to fund you. @@ -23754,8 +23730,8 @@ yeah or post sixteen which seems to be the flavour of the month at the moment be which seems a but cock-eyed somehow to me. mhm. mm. -there's a lot of unknown at the moment -so we're in ninety three ninety four we've got about a year and a bit before we actually have to start really doing something +there's a lot of unknown at the moment +so we're in ninety three ninety four we've got about a year and a bit before we actually have to start really doing something that, i mean they're setting up the county working, a county working group again aren't they? yeah. er @@ -23788,7 +23764,7 @@ and there can't be that many authorities left that aren't already involved. so i don't think there will be a big national impact, it'll just be the last few people coming in at the tail end. well there's only sort of erm i mean who else is round here doing it? i mean bradford went for the initial -bradford yeah and and kirklees their, their +bradford yeah and and kirklees their, their recent recruitment was for that wasn't it? that's what mm mm. @@ -23821,26 +23797,25 @@ have blanket interviewing now haven't we? well there's a lot of there is a lot of, there are a lot of things that are pointing to this at the moment. erm there's a, a, one of the other things on any other business that i was just gonna come to was a thematic survey, that is being carried out nationally. -alan and i spent all morning on wednesday trying to complete this survey questionnaire that ask questions about erm how much time do careers officers in north yorkshire spend, for example, teaching careers lessons ? +alan and i spent all morning on wednesday trying to complete this survey questionnaire that ask questions about erm how much time do careers officers in north yorkshire spend, for example, teaching careers lessons ? we decided to put that none of our careers officers spend any time teaching careers lessons, that we deliver guidance through classroom situations and things like this, but we do not teach careers. erm because we realized it was politically loaded that mm. you know you send a form back that says we teach careers lessons, immediately you're told, right you can stop doing that, that's not your job to do that. mm, so you have to really be careful with -oh yes but this questionnaire was absolutely incredible and every service nationally and wales and ireland have been asked to complete it. +oh yes but this questionnaire was absolutely incredible and every service nationally and wales and ireland have been asked to complete it. scotland seem to have got away with it at the moment. erm right. the questions like ev everything that you've got to say how much time is spent on it and then how much does that cost you. and it's really to provide, according to derek , it's to provide the secretary of state with some ideas of costings of, if she decides the new careers services to run careers conventions, she would make that part of the specification and she would know how much that that was likely to cost her. mm. -so she's really sort of getting her plans together, her information base together to - +so she's really sort of getting her plans together, her information base together to getting on with what you should be doing that can only see a few people doing that who are actually getting on with what they should have been doing while you are waiting. now you know that this lesson's particularly difficult for me to be here on time. i come from one room to a from a long er way a way to another room. so i expect you to have the things out and . -right let's get straight on +right let's get straight on see if you can answer my question. phillip. so what did my question mean? @@ -23896,7 +23871,7 @@ those are days months with thirty days. so all the other months have thirty one. so put your hands up, how many days has january, this month? thirty one. -now children am i right in thinking that when mrs came in and took some lessons with you when i was on a course that she taught you how to count up to thirty? +now children am i right in thinking that when mrs came in and took some lessons with you when i was on a course that she taught you how to count up to thirty? no. you haven't been you haven't done that with mrs . right well that's something we need to do now. @@ -23906,9 +23881,9 @@ well i'm going to put twenty there where we've put the tens and i'm going to sta twenty one it's easy to remember. put your hand up if you can tell me number one in french. easy-peasy. -well twenty one french people say twenty and one twenty and one. -now twenty two is so they don't say twenty and two it's only on the ones like twenty one thirty one forty one that you say twenty and one thirty and one. -for the rest it's just like english numbers they say so hands up who can work out what twenty three will be. +well twenty one french people say twenty and one twenty and one. +now twenty two is so they don't say twenty and two it's only on the ones like twenty one thirty one forty one that you say twenty and one thirty and one. +for the rest it's just like english numbers they say so hands up who can work out what twenty three will be. hands up don't call out please. richard. who'd like to tell me what twenty four will be? @@ -23918,7 +23893,7 @@ who can tell me what twenty five will be? lee. all right. i think more people are getting the idea of this now. -who'd like to tell me what twenty six will be, remember you're saying and then the num next number? +who'd like to tell me what twenty six will be, remember you're saying and then the num next number? jody. come on nearly everybody ought to be able to work this one out now. eleanor. @@ -23930,7 +23905,7 @@ now thirty is a new number. thirty is excuse me. so, can anybody work out what thirty one will be. -remember that is twenty and twenty one is is thirty so what will thirty one be, steven? +remember that is twenty and twenty one is is thirty so what will thirty one be, steven? good boy. who can put their hand up and tell me the next number? who can tell me thirty two? @@ -23946,13 +23921,13 @@ donna can you do this one for me? what's the number five? have you forgotten that one. you help her with katrina. -no that's who'd like to tell me thirty six? +no that's who'd like to tell me thirty six? christopher. phillip? right. you can all do this next one together. now i have gone beyond thirty one because i just wanted to show you the way it goes and it's easy. -there obviously aren't more than thirty one days in a month but we'll just practice then counting from twenty now and we'll stop at thirty nine +there obviously aren't more than thirty one days in a month but we'll just practice then counting from twenty now and we'll stop at thirty nine all right now that we can do numbers up to thirty one, let's see if we can do a few more dates. turn your chairs round so you're looking at this board. hands up if you remember what two words we're going to begin our answer with. @@ -23998,13 +23973,13 @@ jennifer? ah is it the first of the month? right, well good. i'm glad there's somebody's come up with that one because that's the only time that you say something a little bit different from the number itself. -when it is the first day, put your hands down while we're ex while i'm explaining this, when you say when it's the first day of any month whether it's the first of february or the first of april or the first of december, instead of say you say this word you say for the first of the month +when it is the first day, put your hands down while we're ex while i'm explaining this, when you say when it's the first day of any month whether it's the first of february or the first of april or the first of december, instead of say you say this word you say for the first of the month and when you write it as a number it's the only time that you ever put any little letters next to it. the rest of the time you just put the normal number. but for the first of the month you have these two letters e r. all right against the number one. what does that word remind you of? -does it remind you of excuse me, does it remind you of a word in english at all? +does it remind you of excuse me, does it remind you of a word in english at all? michael. premiere. yes it's like premiere isn't it like in football the premiere league which is the first the top league. @@ -24046,12 +24021,12 @@ right. what's up christopher? didn't carry on that game that we were playing before. did we not finish that one? -no +no was it a game where you had numbers and you had to stand up and say your number? oh i'm sorry there are children shouting out and you know that you don't do that. if you want to ask me something or tell me about something you put your hand up and wait for me to ask you. phillip? -we finished it +we finished it i'm sure we did of course but there's no reason why if we get on that we shouldn't start another one okay. here we go then. you remember what to do don't you? @@ -24075,10 +24050,10 @@ so remember your number please and unless i tell you to move stay where you're s right good. now jennifer if you'll just move your chair over to this side. who's the best one at numbers in this, i think kieran. -right so will you be as well, so you're . +right so will you be as well, so you're . now you know the game so i don't need to spend a lot time. when i call out your num oh dear,thank you. -when i call out your number you jump up and you say, if you are and i say you say . +when i call out your number you jump up and you say, if you are and i say you say . if i say . let's just make sure you all know your numbers so . joe just put your hand up now just put your hand up i'm just seeing that you remember your number. @@ -24087,28 +24062,27 @@ no just put your hand up remember what i say. is it you donna? that's right now. this side of the room . -come on be ready. -well he if he was the right one, it was not it was okay. +come on be ready. +well he if he was the right one, it was not it was okay. so you were first anyway so that's this one. shh. yes eleanor stood up but lee said it first okay. come on a team let's see you really going for it. oh. -well, let's just do let's just do two more and see if the as can can catch up and then we'll carry it on i haven't finished yet, we'll carry the game on and remember the score. -both together both together so the scores are so far close. +well, let's just do let's just do two more and see if the as can can catch up and then we'll carry it on i haven't finished yet, we'll carry the game on and remember the score. +both together both together so the scores are so far close. i am waiting and it is not a time for you to be chatting. you should be putting your french folders away now please. standing without talking behind your table. i am still waiting. - colleagues just before we er commence with today's business, one or two announcements to make. the first one is that i, i've received a number of complaints about colleagues smoking in the, in conference. are you taking that line because you're in favour or opposed to it ? anyway, it's not a matter for us i know, that er depending on where you sit in conference you can have difficulty seeing the no smoking signs, but i've every confidence you're gonna take my word for this. normally, normally, when it's switched on there's a sign up there. it's not switched on yet, so can somebody switch it on. -and equally colleagues there is also, it's true believe me, and normally there's another one up there, a no smoking sign so please be restrained, if only to help me to get through the week with my voice which is usually very bad! -er, the other thing is of course colleagues that the doors at the side are, are open for very good reasons and i mentioned yesterday from time to time that once we get er we get talking there's a that goes and colleagues at the side of congress have a great deal of difficulty in hearing and listening to the debate. +and equally colleagues there is also, it's true believe me, and normally there's another one up there, a no smoking sign so please be restrained, if only to help me to get through the week with my voice which is usually very bad! +er, the other thing is of course colleagues that the doors at the side are, are open for very good reasons and i mentioned yesterday from time to time that once we get er we get talking there's a that goes and colleagues at the side of congress have a great deal of difficulty in hearing and listening to the debate. so please if you feel the need that you need to speak to somebody, please go out of the conference. discipline has been very good indeed so far. thanks very much. @@ -24124,27 +24098,27 @@ they've been out a long time colleagues, seventeen weeks. i spoke to them yesterday afternoon after we broke. they appeared to me to be as committed as ever to winning that particular dispute and i'm sure you would wish to send your further best wishes to them colleagues. one other matter before i ask the general secretary i think our colleague might want to say something after the general secretary. -erm colleagues who attended the blackpool conference last year will recall that there was, that we had a visit from a young boy called who was the son of one of our officers and that er was suffering from i think i recall a very severe form of leukaemia. -i know that some colleagues are aware of this but sadly recently passed away and i must by the colleagues in the midland and east coast region er to thank everybody who put into the er the collection on behalf of the . +erm colleagues who attended the blackpool conference last year will recall that there was, that we had a visit from a young boy called who was the son of one of our officers and that er was suffering from i think i recall a very severe form of leukaemia. +i know that some colleagues are aware of this but sadly recently passed away and i must by the colleagues in the midland and east coast region er to thank everybody who put into the er the collection on behalf of the . very sad colleagues, but thank you very much indeed for that. can i now ask the general secretary to say a few words. -well just colleagues about the burnsall dispute erm er clearly and i'm just anticipating the views of congress that since we adopted a particularly way of making up the er dispute fund, i think we should certainly adopt exactly the same practice in relation -the point of information president mel lancashire region president, conference. -i see on the agenda this morning that an invitation has been extended for to come along and speak to us. +well just colleagues about the burnsall dispute erm er clearly and i'm just anticipating the views of congress that since we adopted a particularly way of making up the er dispute fund, i think we should certainly adopt exactly the same practice in relation +the point of information president mel lancashire region president, conference. +i see on the agenda this morning that an invitation has been extended for to come along and speak to us. can the general secretary give this conference assurances that a speaker from timex can come along and address this conference before the end of closing. thank you. yes colleagues, what i will do is this, erm no one will be in this congress for the last three days without knowing the strong feelings on the timex issue. i refer to it in my speech and many others have referred to the terrible situation at timex. if there is an approach for the timex workers to come through the proper channels, i will recommend on behalf of the executive for the standing orders committee that we hear a timex worker before the end of the conference. -if the timex worker wants to regard that as a right of reply to neil 's speech, so be it. +if the timex worker wants to regard that as a right of reply to neil 's speech, so be it. right colleagues, er on with the business. can i announce that the c e c has informed me that motion eighty four lancashire region due for debate on wednesday afternoon has been withdrawn. motion eighty four has been withdrawn. -i'll now turn colleagues to the section secretary's report mick apex partnership, pages twenty nine to thirty four. +i'll now turn colleagues to the section secretary's report mick apex partnership, pages twenty nine to thirty four. mick. thank you president. good morning congress. -mick national office. +mick national office. i can just remember in the so-called heady days of the early nineteen eighties the then prime minister saying that you would make britain a great trading and a great economic nation once again. but she also said it'd be a nation which did not need a manufacturing industry, nor an industrial base. the britain of the nineteen nineties and beyond, according to her, would be based on a service sector. @@ -24194,19 +24168,19 @@ there wasn't a single word mentioned about that particular paper and the very fa i was very disappointed that there's no comment in here at all. let's be honest, i didn't wanna see good sections, i wanna see strong sections, i wanna see vibrant sections, but i also want to see the truth in those documents when it comes back afterwards, so i'm disappointed on this issue and er i hope something in future will be done about to report the real things that we discussed at conference as well. thank you conference. -bill london region. +bill london region. mick, we took a decision at erm apex conference two years ago erm whereby we decided that er anywhere where we had g m b members we would attempt to ensure that we have recognition with the private security firms used. -here we are at er portsmouth g m b congress, we've got, we're using that, well the guildhall are using erm out front. +here we are at er portsmouth g m b congress, we've got, we're using that, well the guildhall are using erm out front. i'd just been talking to the guard, twelve hour shifts, sixty hours a week and he can't even have any time off for tea breaks or meal breaks. erm can we look into that? i do know that we've been trying to get er recognition for about fifteen years with that company but can we pursue that issue? -erm, on page thirty you talk about the erm employer's federation in the er minimum terms and conditions, well i'm only hoping that my own firm securicor don't have any er input into that, because er as you know they unilaterally reduced all the terms and conditions securicor guarding and cleaning recently erm i'd like to know when we intend meeting with securicor cleaner i do know you've written to them on a number of occasions and their refusal to meet with us. +erm, on page thirty you talk about the erm employer's federation in the er minimum terms and conditions, well i'm only hoping that my own firm securicor don't have any er input into that, because er as you know they unilaterally reduced all the terms and conditions securicor guarding and cleaning recently erm i'd like to know when we intend meeting with securicor cleaner i do know you've written to them on a number of occasions and their refusal to meet with us. i also know that you're attempting to get a memorandum of agreement and a recognition agreement with them. erm, i'd like to know an update if possible on the branch secretary's erm restructuring. i know that we're meeting with the company next week, but whether or not anything's come forward on that and also erm in reference to the pensions section, erm, just correct your deliberate mistake and part timers can't enter the securicor pension scheme. page thirty, thirty one, thirty two. yes. -ron securicor yorkshire region. +ron securicor yorkshire region. er page thirty two about er the guarding company. i mean i don't want anybody to get the wrong idea what it says we've resolved eighty percent of the outstanding grievances. i mean these people have had a pay freeze since november nineteen ninety and these grievances were as a result of a new pay structure last year that actually worsened the terms and conditions since nineteen ninety, but till then we've been making steady progress in getting better improvements and we've gone backwards. @@ -24221,7 +24195,7 @@ mick. thank you president. with response to kevin, yes the national committee paper on the future structure and organization of the apex partnership was rejected by the conference. there was a full and detailed report put by the central executive committee on that point and, as you are well aware, there are motions for debate this morning in respect of er that particular point. -the from london region, yes shorrocks is a cowboy outfit. +the from london region, yes shorrocks is a cowboy outfit. we've been retrying to get recognition nationally and locally for fifteen years. yeah, lousy pay, lousy hours, lousy conditions. yet another example of why we need regulation and licensing within the industry. @@ -24244,7 +24218,7 @@ colleagues i now propose to take motions one hundred and fifty eight sectionaliz er and then we'll ask for mick to respond on behalf of the c e c because the c e c are opposing one five eight and accepting one six six with the qualification. so first of all m=motion one five eight south western region to move. good morning congress, president, visitors in the balcony. -denise representing bristol and district staff branch and the south west region. +denise representing bristol and district staff branch and the south west region. could i firstly start by thanking those delegates who after congress yesterday have expressed support about the two rule changes that we lost and to give some encouragement to new delegates here that even if you get up here and you lose it, there's some one hell of a lot of support out there on the floor. thank you. motion one five eight. @@ -24275,7 +24249,7 @@ motion one six six apex merger liverpool region. formally moved and you've formally seconded. thank you very much. you did that twice peter you can do that. -i call mick to put the c e c point of view. +i call mick to put the c e c point of view. thank you president. congress, the central executive asks you to, the central executive accepts motion one six six with a qualification. however the c e c is asking you to vote against motion one five eight. @@ -24285,7 +24259,7 @@ in respect of motion one five eight, the c e c is opposed because it is based up this union faces strong competition in almost every sector in which it organizes. in order that we can respond, we must organize ourselves, industry and by sector. that means making what might have to be some very difficult decisions affecting longstanding practices and even loyalties that have developed over many years. -we cannot leave it to the of individual members, that would produce chaos and could leave to destructive manoeuvring. +we cannot leave it to the of individual members, that would produce chaos and could leave to destructive manoeuvring. the membership of each section is clearly defined by rule. the c e c and the regional committees have ample discretion to, to fine tune in certain areas. so we are urging you to vote against one five eight and accept one six six with the qualification outlined. @@ -24295,9 +24269,9 @@ i'll be talking later on in congress about the fact that we could perhaps bring please think of our membership, think of what their needs are. yes, we're in competition and we want to be able to say to our members don't go to that trade union because they will put you all in one lump, go to this one because we've got sections, because we look at our members with individual needs and please support this motion. thank you. -colleagues i propose to take the vote one five eight as mick's indication is being opposed by the c e c. all those in favour of one five eight against that's lost. +colleagues i propose to take the vote one five eight as mick's indication is being opposed by the c e c. all those in favour of one five eight against that's lost. motion one six six has been accepted. -all those in favour against that's carried. +all those in favour against that's carried. colleagues we're now going to the transport debate and there are five motions listed here. motion three one four london region to move. composite eighteen g m b scotland and london to second. @@ -24305,14 +24279,14 @@ motion three one six birmingham region to move. motion three one eight midland region to move. motion three one nine midland region to move again. so colleagues if the moves of motion three one four er would come down and move their motion and with other colleagues if they would come down to the rostrum please it would save time. -president, congress, dave southend branch london region moving motion three one four british rail privatization. +president, congress, dave southend branch london region moving motion three one four british rail privatization. congress, this country gave the world football, cricket and railways. we are now in the second division of world football and world cricket. the railways are now in division three and the government's plan is to take them into the non-league. at the moment we have old and dirty trains which are expensive to use, with many rural towns without a railway at all through years and years of underfunding. so what is this crazy useless government's answer, extra funding? no. -privatizing what is the first thing the government do to make b r more attractive to the private sector? +privatizing what is the first thing the government do to make b r more attractive to the private sector? announces a huge redundancy programme that will lead erm which will result in a lot more unstaffed stations and a hell of a lot less maintenance. now let's look at some facts that the lying tories won't tell you. our rail network is the lowest funded, the lowest staffed and has the lowest investment programme in europe with the poorest quality service and the fastest declining level of safety, but b r has the highest fares. @@ -24326,7 +24300,7 @@ if richard branson wants to run trains, let him build a network and, and compete congress, the vote in the house of commons was lost unfortunately, but our sponsored mps must ensure that the opposition in the house of lords fights this ridiculous legislation as vigorously as possible, and we must support our brothers and sisters in b r with their fight. congress i move. thank you. -dave london region seconding the motion on rail privatization. +dave london region seconding the motion on rail privatization. colleagues once again we see the tories operating an example of what i call fag packet policies. policies driven not by realism or efficiency, but based on dogs simply on dogma. they make them up as they go along. @@ -24341,71 +24315,71 @@ transport organizations predict that only the three main lines to london will be services which provide trains for both rural villages and holidaymakers will be cut. the lines under threat ipswich to yarmouth, norwich yarmouth, the north norfolk link, they may all go. train spotting in east anglia will take on a whole new meaning. -cuts have already begun to as the british rail cow has fattened up. +cuts have already begun to as the british rail cow has fattened up. in king's lynn where i live the freight line to the docks has now been closed. this has forced fifty thousand tons of coal traffic and ten thousand tons of toxic chemical traffic onto east anglia's already congested roads. chemicals that in the common market are not allowed to travel by road, they're forced on to rail. when the minister of the environment was contacted to help in putting pressure on b r, the council were told why were they contacting him, it was not a matter that he was interested in. the department of transport, they were very little help, we contacted them and after initial propaganda visits, we were told that sixty thousand tons of traffic wasn't worth bothering about it wasn't large enough to warrant any help or subsidy. this is, this is the way it will go and will continue to go. -the people in rural areas train lines are, are an essential way to move around communities. +the people in rural areas train lines are, are an essential way to move around communities. for many people without that they will simply be isolated in their own small communities. colleagues, i urge you to reject the dogma, look at the practical integrated policy and support the motion. composite eighteen floods of convenience g m b scotland to move. -mr chairman, colleagues, david g m b scotland composite motion eighteen floods of convenience. -colleagues, the parliament of the european community and of the united kingdom have seriously considered the consequences of the spillage of eighty five thousand tons of oil from oil tanker which ran aground on the coast of the shetland islands on the fifth of january nineteen ninety three and for a considerable time socialists of the european parliament have been complaining incessantly for greater safety at sea. +mr chairman, colleagues, david g m b scotland composite motion eighteen floods of convenience. +colleagues, the parliament of the european community and of the united kingdom have seriously considered the consequences of the spillage of eighty five thousand tons of oil from oil tanker which ran aground on the coast of the shetland islands on the fifth of january nineteen ninety three and for a considerable time socialists of the european parliament have been complaining incessantly for greater safety at sea. although they have gained the support of the majority of mps, but when the submission reached the council of ministers, they unfortunately find that their representations have been shelved. quite recently, the european parliament have been calling for oil ships which do not meet e e c standards to be expelled from community waters. -also ships carrying dangerous cargoes in sensitive waters, for example an area similar to where the went ashore or perhaps the dover straits where cargo collisions have been reduced by eighty percent since radar surveillance was introduced. +also ships carrying dangerous cargoes in sensitive waters, for example an area similar to where the went ashore or perhaps the dover straits where cargo collisions have been reduced by eighty percent since radar surveillance was introduced. colleagues, great credibility should go to john prescott, shadow transport secretary, who has demanded that all foreign registered tankers should provide details of routes when they set off from port so that all operators can be dealt with. not surprisingly however, john mcgregor the transport secretary, although he did not oppose john prescott's submissions, made it quite clear that this would be extremely expensive. colleagues action of this nature should not be measured in terms of money. only last week we saw a collision in the channel at a real cost, eight seamen's lives. chair, colleagues, i ask conference to support composite motion eighteen. thank you. -don london region seconding composite eighteen. +don london region seconding composite eighteen. president, congress, brothers and sisters, the issue here is very, really very simple. we want the e e c to enforce laws at least along the lines imposed by the u s a after the exxon valdez disaster. these are not perfect they're only a starting point. they include a greater control of shipping and the use of double skin hulls for dangerous cargoes. -there's a certain irony here in the fact that the world leader in free market philosophy should be the one to try and bring some regulation into this area, because that's the problem here, almost complete deregulation the use of convenient ships, low skilled, low paid er exploited often third world workers, used and abused by ship owners the world over to increase their profit margins, with a subsequent lack of concern over both the environment and people's lives. +there's a certain irony here in the fact that the world leader in free market philosophy should be the one to try and bring some regulation into this area, because that's the problem here, almost complete deregulation the use of convenient ships, low skilled, low paid er exploited often third world workers, used and abused by ship owners the world over to increase their profit margins, with a subsequent lack of concern over both the environment and people's lives. as my comrade from scotland says john prescott has done a good job here, but i have to say it's not up against very much. -after both the disaster and the sinking in the channel last week, the government will lord did you know he's the shipping minister? +after both the disaster and the sinking in the channel last week, the government will lord did you know he's the shipping minister? hardly is! after every question on oil tankers, he talked about how they started to put passenger ferries safer. if ever there was an example which helped the case for the abolition of the house of lords, then he is it, but that's another resolution for another day. -we talked yesterday about a lot about europe about the importance of workers' rights in europe, but here we can expand upon this. +we talked yesterday about a lot about europe about the importance of workers' rights in europe, but here we can expand upon this. use the e c's political and financial muscle to bring about proper registered and regulated bulk carriers. maybe our meps could help here. support this motion, it's important that free marketeers aren't given licences to destroy our environment. aye seconds. motion three one six single european market birmingham region to move. congress, fellow delegates, president. -val birmingham region. +val birmingham region. moving motion three one six single european market. -it is with regret and concern that i find myself moving to this resolution since the members as members of the european community want would like to have been possible to travel freely between members states. +it is with regret and concern that i find myself moving to this resolution since the members as members of the european community want would like to have been possible to travel freely between members states. however, this is not the case as some of our partners are operating tours for coaching, coaches passing through their borders. this motion was triggered by a particular case which happened within the birmingham region on the first of january nineteen ninety three which should have been a start of the european market the people's europe. twenty five coaches with one thousand three hundred passengers returning from christmas break in austria were met with blunt piece of discrimination which broke communities laws. when entering germany you are supposed to pay a toll which is only charged to non-german coach operators. -a warsaw based european holiday coach company were supposed to pay seven thousand four hundred and fifty pounds as a toll which in itself was an illegal act of discrimination. +a warsaw based european holiday coach company were supposed to pay seven thousand four hundred and fifty pounds as a toll which in itself was an illegal act of discrimination. now it is, now this matter has been taken up on behalf of the company, by the constitutary european member of parliament john tomlinson and colleagues. i have here correspondence that has been exchanged between mr. tomlinson and the european commission and german president. anybody wants some copies i have a few copies here. -however, it seems that as far as i can make out from the correspondence, the commissionaires are split in their opinion as to the legality of action of the german government. +however, it seems that as far as i can make out from the correspondence, the commissionaires are split in their opinion as to the legality of action of the german government. colleagues, this is simply not acceptable and i call on congress to support this resolution and instruct the e c to raise the matter in the proper government departments. i understand that c e c's accepting this motion and asking for remittance for further consultation. i agree. i move the motion. thank you. -er, it's not quite correct that that's a new one accepting er and then referring. +er, it's not quite correct that that's a new one accepting er and then referring. we're actually gonna be asking for reference, but we're gonna have a look at it and the c e c's people will make that clear. okay? er is that seconded three one six? formally seconded. thank you very much. motion three one eight, full car licence new drivers midland region to move. -john midlands and east coast region moving motion three one eight. +john midlands and east coast region moving motion three one eight. brothers and colleagues statistics show that the majority of car accidents are mainly within the first year of people passing their driving test. at present a person can take a few driving lessons and pass a driving test and he is then free to purchase any type of car they can afford, regardless of how powerful that car is. it doesn't matter that they have very little experience driving cars on our road. @@ -24417,7 +24391,7 @@ this union has always been at the forefront of health and safety issues within t health and safety also applies on our roads and bearing in mind, we may be acquiring a large transport section, we should be seen to take an interest in not only our members' safety, but the safety of others as well. in the interest of road safety colleagues, i ask that you support the motion. thank you. -president, conference, ken midlands and east coast region seconding motion three one eight. +president, conference, ken midlands and east coast region seconding motion three one eight. conference, if you think back to all those times that you have sat at home watching the news after a day's work like i have, and listen carefully to what is being said, you may well have been horrified and saddened to hear the many stories appertaining to people who have had accidents or died due to the fact that the machine they have been driving has been too powerful. by obtaining the full car licence, you are able to buy a vehicle which is and can be a lethal weapon in the hands of wrong people, but this motion calls for constraints to be placed upon people when they obtain that full licence and at twelve hundred c c you can have enough power as well as enjoy the driving for the future. we should be looking to educate and train all people a lot more than we do at the moment where driving is concerned, so that from the very moment you pass your test you can feel confident, other people can feel confident and we can all have confidence on the road. @@ -24433,13 +24407,13 @@ so why are they not fitted to all new pedal cycles during manufacturing? the law has not been adhered to in the recent years, as it was in the past and every night when you're out you usually see more than one cyclist driving without lights, often on the pavement. this causes an hazard to the pedestrians. the modern cycle has enormous gears and other fitments for riding on all types of roads and usually no fitted lights. -i stopped a cyclist recently, he weren't very big by the way who was showing no lights. +i stopped a cyclist recently, he weren't very big by the way who was showing no lights. when i asked him why he said it would spoil the looks of his bicycle to have them fitted now. -that's a cycle that cost him over two hundred pounds and it would cost him more money to have lights fitted now as an extra. -if lights were fitted as a standard requirement during manufacturing of pedal cyclists they could be made to blend in with the colour scheme of the cycle. +that's a cycle that cost him over two hundred pounds and it would cost him more money to have lights fitted now as an extra. +if lights were fitted as a standard requirement during manufacturing of pedal cyclists they could be made to blend in with the colour scheme of the cycle. a major campaign was launched regarding the wearing of cycle helmets and there has been a great response, favourable response to this, cutting down enormously under a number of fatal accidents involving pedal cyclists. so it's now up to congress to pressurize the manufacturing of cyclists, of cycles to fit rare and rear lights. -sorry, to, i'll say that again to fit front and rear lights during production thus cutting down the number of accidents involving cyclists not showing lights during the hours of darkness even farther. +sorry, to, i'll say that again to fit front and rear lights during production thus cutting down the number of accidents involving cyclists not showing lights during the hours of darkness even farther. in the meantime congress, we call upon the police to enforce their powers on cycles, cyclists riding without lights during the hours of darkness. now i urge you to support. thank you very much. @@ -24460,7 +24434,7 @@ whitecliffe plenty of relevance to the black membership of this union whitecliffe. whitecliffe. -the point of order has no relevance to this particular debate. +the point of order has no relevance to this particular debate. i will make the statement at the appropriate time to congress. we've got the statement here. don't come back. @@ -24470,11 +24444,11 @@ midlands and east coast region. with the increase in public transport costs, road tax and insurance, more and more people are changing to the humble bike as an alternative form of transport. in nineteen seventy nine their sales topped the one and a half million mark. in nineteen ninety two this has risen to two point two million and the indications are the ninety three figures are going to be much higher. -in fact told me this is an expanding market. -as the favour, biking cannot be beaten, the cost of the average bike is between ninety nine pounds and one hundred and ninety nine pounds. +in fact told me this is an expanding market. +as the favour, biking cannot be beaten, the cost of the average bike is between ninety nine pounds and one hundred and ninety nine pounds. if you compare that cost with the average cost of public transport, you will realize you can soon recoup your initial inlay outlay within six months and unlike cars there are no parking problems. on the debit side biking can be positively dangerous, that is why in nineteen eighty nine congress passed a motion calling for the provision of cycleways. -i move that resolution and on i've yet to see any evidence of them. +i move that resolution and on i've yet to see any evidence of them. delegates i ride a motorbike, so i am familiar with the hazards faced by cyclists, i am also too well aware of the lack of road sense of some cyclists. i'm aware of most of the crazy things they do. they could give kamikaze pilots some lessons! @@ -24483,8 +24457,8 @@ however, much harder to anticipate is their sudden appearance in front of you fr it's no good depending as owen said waiting for people to fit lights themselves, they won't because they don't think accidents can happen to them. one accident is one too many. please support this resolution. -conference wish to put a point of view on several of these motions and i call frank . -frank responding for the c e c and motions three one four, three one six, three one eight, three one nine and composite eighteen. +conference wish to put a point of view on several of these motions and i call frank . +frank responding for the c e c and motions three one four, three one six, three one eight, three one nine and composite eighteen. congress, the c e c has asked me to accept motion three one four and composite eighteen to refer motions three one six and three one eight and to accept motion three one nine. on motion three one four british rail privatization. this government has got to be really be joking with its proposals for example the west coast line from north to south is estimated to require in the region of eight hundred million to cover track repairs and modernization as well as outdated rolling stock and signal replacements. @@ -24492,8 +24466,8 @@ all the speeds will have to be reduced for all rolling stock used on that line w because of privatization plans, british rail hasn't got any rolling stock on order. if they won't order the stock, do they really expect a new franchisee to do it? i don't think they will. -at least not when i'm passing on that cost to you the users and as any cost increase will decrease the use of further track closures will follow. -another example is from region rail which is a totally independent system but over the years the five local authorities have ploughed millions of pounds of investment into improving a system, the stations the track and the rolling stock which in accordance with the rail bill will be put out of franchise next year but will anyone have to buy it? +at least not when i'm passing on that cost to you the users and as any cost increase will decrease the use of further track closures will follow. +another example is from region rail which is a totally independent system but over the years the five local authorities have ploughed millions of pounds of investment into improving a system, the stations the track and the rolling stock which in accordance with the rail bill will be put out of franchise next year but will anyone have to buy it? no. the company that requires us to pay out the smallest subsidy will be given the franchise and allow to use or probably allow to decay a facility that's been established over the years while it takes its profit and distributes them to its shareholders. on composite eighteen what more needs to be said? @@ -24509,9 +24483,9 @@ colleagues the c e c is asking you to accept motion three one four and composite thank you. thanks frank. conference i propose to take the vote three one four is being accepted by the executive. -all those in favour against. +all those in favour against. that's carried. -composite eighteen is being supported by the executive all those in favour against that's carried motion three one six reference is being sought does birmingham agree? +composite eighteen is being supported by the executive all those in favour against that's carried motion three one six reference is being sought does birmingham agree? conference agree? thanks very much. motion three one eight reference is being sought does midland agree? @@ -24522,9 +24496,9 @@ all those in favour? against? that's carried. colleagues we now turn to the special report, a new concept of trade unionism g m b cooperation with the t & g. i propose that the general secretary should move this we'll have it formally seconded. -we'll then take motion two five five t g w u. motion two two eight changing employment patterns moved and seconded i will then invite speakers from each of the regions on the special report. +we'll then take motion two five five t g w u. motion two two eight changing employment patterns moved and seconded i will then invite speakers from each of the regions on the special report. general secretary to move. -john general secretary moving the special report and you may have noticed that the television cameras have gone. +john general secretary moving the special report and you may have noticed that the television cameras have gone. this is only about the possible er partnership of two of the largest unions in britain. an organization which if it ever came to be formed will be representing nearly two million people. pity our media showed a different sense of priorities. @@ -24549,7 +24523,7 @@ think about it for a moment. what are the three pillars that support trade unionism in britain? recognition by employers,check-off agreements, reliable shop stewards and activists. our problem is that one by one these three pillars are crumbling away. -many of you know john here today. +many of you know john here today. he's a distinguished delegate to many many congresses and was london region secretary before paul. the point of mentioning john is that he used to work at the massive hoover plant in west london. it closed a few years ago, they couldn't knock it down because it was meant to be a prime example of nineteen thirties architecture. @@ -24608,48 +24582,48 @@ i move. we have the report formally rescinded. thank you very much indeed. i now call motion two five five t g w u london region to move. -president, congress, roy london region moving motion two five five on the t & g. colleagues, let's make it clear, this motion is not opposed to a merger of the t & g. what it seeks to do is put forward another idea which is to continue to work closely with the t & g on a wide range of jointly agreed . +president, congress, roy london region moving motion two five five on the t & g. colleagues, let's make it clear, this motion is not opposed to a merger of the t & g. what it seeks to do is put forward another idea which is to continue to work closely with the t & g on a wide range of jointly agreed . for we desperately need a common approach in such areas as the t u c, on the general council, on the general committee and congress, and more importantly joint roles in the labour party. we need to jointly work together in public services if we are to combat the problems faced by the . all that work is positive and in the interests of all our members a slow and measured approach are coming together by general consent, building trust and commitment to a new big union. colleagues, i believe the building of a trust is the most important fact in the whole of this debate. we shouldn't kid ourselves for in factories and workplaces around the country g m b and t & g are at each other 's throats. that trust will take some building, especially in the liverpool area region, sorry. -this motion calls upon the c e c to seek a structure which would keep both unions autonomous, keeping their structures, their conferences, their regional government etcetera. +this motion calls upon the c e c to seek a structure which would keep both unions autonomous, keeping their structures, their conferences, their regional government etcetera. let the two unions come together by building the links in the common ground. -colleagues, the c e c statement report told er considered trade unions and its conclusions recommended that preliminary discussions for transport and general on the feasibility of a merger with a report back on next year's congress. -the danger with that we believe could be that we would set a date for the merger and take all the important issues and discussions, how many regions will it have will we have, the those regions and a hundred and one other problems raised by that merger into a tight timescale. -this will only cause problems with consultation with the members and they're the most important, the bloody members, but it could lead to and a scramble for jobs. -it could also tie up members of the c e c, the general secretary, the regional secretary, the president, officers and many others in internal wrangles new union just at the time when we need to look outward in the next two or three years. +colleagues, the c e c statement report told er considered trade unions and its conclusions recommended that preliminary discussions for transport and general on the feasibility of a merger with a report back on next year's congress. +the danger with that we believe could be that we would set a date for the merger and take all the important issues and discussions, how many regions will it have will we have, the those regions and a hundred and one other problems raised by that merger into a tight timescale. +this will only cause problems with consultation with the members and they're the most important, the bloody members, but it could lead to and a scramble for jobs. +it could also tie up members of the c e c, the general secretary, the regional secretary, the president, officers and many others in internal wrangles new union just at the time when we need to look outward in the next two or three years. the danger is it could damage the very relations we tend, we need to build. -a structure as i've said previously will give us the vital time and for the detailed discussions and consultations we need if we are to build the trust for the merger we all wish to see. +a structure as i've said previously will give us the vital time and for the detailed discussions and consultations we need if we are to build the trust for the merger we all wish to see. colleagues, please support the motion. seconder colleagues for two five five -yes london region er group four security, have you noticed we've lost another prisoner last night and he nicked me trousers! +yes london region er group four security, have you noticed we've lost another prisoner last night and he nicked me trousers! we er we concur with the general secretary's er when he said two years ago there will be four super unions by the year two thousand obviously that's gonna be a reality. -er, it's something that will be welcomed by the trade union movement, a new forward, a new beginning to join once again the fruits of our labour with partnership with other unions and the labour party which was what we all need, but it must be done with careful planning and the brains at the top of the union must be telling the of the union, the members on the shop floor, the right direction in which to walk. -clearly at the state of the talks with the t & g, we still have a long long way to go to reach this new goal and there's a strong rumour that there has been discussions between sir john edmunds and lord bill morris the name of the new union already and i think an apt title for the union at the moment would be yugoslavia because we're in ethnic groups, we are sections, we've got the boiler makers who are still claiming things they lost ten years ago when they merged. -we've got apex who've been brought in to bring in the new the white collar worker unions to form another concept of trade unionism. +er, it's something that will be welcomed by the trade union movement, a new forward, a new beginning to join once again the fruits of our labour with partnership with other unions and the labour party which was what we all need, but it must be done with careful planning and the brains at the top of the union must be telling the of the union, the members on the shop floor, the right direction in which to walk. +clearly at the state of the talks with the t & g, we still have a long long way to go to reach this new goal and there's a strong rumour that there has been discussions between sir john edmunds and lord bill morris the name of the new union already and i think an apt title for the union at the moment would be yugoslavia because we're in ethnic groups, we are sections, we've got the boiler makers who are still claiming things they lost ten years ago when they merged. +we've got apex who've been brought in to bring in the new the white collar worker unions to form another concept of trade unionism. lovely, now me, i'm an ex-m a t s a member, i'm in the security industry, at the moment i haven't got a section, so what am i a bosnian, a serbian or a croatian i don't know. so surely we got to tidy up our own act before we go further forward and as a trade union surely we are to fight unemployment. now surely will this merger cause er unemployment amongst our staff? will we need two general secretaries, two presidents, two vice presidents? -and then again look, look at congress . +and then again look, look at congress . obviously, if we're gonna be two big unions obviously portsmouth is no longer going to fit the bill and i think that's a shame because several congresses i've been to and this is the finest weather i've ever enjoyed. can't argue with that. and what a lovely place portsmouth is i must say went to the gentlemen's on, the toilet at the seafront last night and as i left, i looked at the sign that said er, please adjust your dress before you leave. that's equality for you. and then what are we gonna have? are we gonna have an annual congress, a bi-annual congress, a tri-annual congress? -when are we gonna have rules revisions, there's a long way to go and as the, the er general secretary said, be careful, because i've been to talks with, on, from the regional committee with the t & g yes we got on lovely with them, they're fine, they, they gave us a nice big er commemorative medal of the dockers' strike and it's got my granddad and my great granddad on it cos they was there in the other union mind you while we've done all the striking and that they stood by, but nevertheless they're not bad lads anyway and as john said we must be careful that we are not the ones that are gonna be taken over, because i remember that old song of the fifties, never smile at a crocodile +when are we gonna have rules revisions, there's a long way to go and as the, the er general secretary said, be careful, because i've been to talks with, on, from the regional committee with the t & g yes we got on lovely with them, they're fine, they, they gave us a nice big er commemorative medal of the dockers' strike and it's got my granddad and my great granddad on it cos they was there in the other union mind you while we've done all the striking and that they stood by, but nevertheless they're not bad lads anyway and as john said we must be careful that we are not the ones that are gonna be taken over, because i remember that old song of the fifties, never smile at a crocodile don't be taken in by his welcome grin, he's imagining how well you'll fit beneath his skin . brothers, sisters, president, we've still got a long way to go. -general secretary, you may be ready to dive in now, but we but we want to wait till the time is right. +general secretary, you may be ready to dive in now, but we but we want to wait till the time is right. i second. goodness me, keep taking the tablets. motion two two eight midland region to move. can't follow that. -president, congress bob midlands and east coast region moving motion two two eight. +president, congress bob midlands and east coast region moving motion two two eight. changing employment patterns. many of the points that i make in this speech have already been covered by john, but they are important and deserve to be repeated. the matters of employing people is changing and in the main those changes fly in the face of traditional g m b organization and make recruitment and retention of membership more difficult. @@ -24666,33 +24640,33 @@ how can we service and maintain our appeal to members opting to work in europe a clearly this is a wide ranging motion designed to provoke thought and debate with no easy answers. i welcome the decision of the c e c to examine the issues involved in greater detail. i move. -liz midlands and east coast. +liz midlands and east coast. the speaker from the northern region will get on very well with my three year old granddaughter, she don't like crocodiles either. -however, in the interest of brevity, i will my remarks to points a and b. since nineteen seventy nine there's been a major shift away from our industrial base towards service industries. +however, in the interest of brevity, i will my remarks to points a and b. since nineteen seventy nine there's been a major shift away from our industrial base towards service industries. consequently part time work and casual work is now a significant feature of our economy. effectively we've become a low-waged, low-skilled economy with virtually no protection for many of our fellow workers. at the same time, home working is on the increase, it's been estimated one million people do paid work at home, seventy three percent of which are women. they take on this work, not for pin money, but to provide for their family's basic needs. they are forced into accepting low paid jobs, exposed to health hazards with no job protection because of family responsibilities or affordable child care. you know delegates, when most people think about home working, they really think beyond the traditional jobs associated with this group of workers. -i recently read the a b c of homeworking, it was quite never mind, i can't say the damn word, i could see very clearly, the potential for injury and exposure to other hazards is frightening. +i recently read the a b c of homeworking, it was quite never mind, i can't say the damn word, i could see very clearly, the potential for injury and exposure to other hazards is frightening. i fear the element is the growth of white collar working. it's my guess and it's an educated guess, within the next decade this growth will speed up partly because of new technology and the employer's needs to cut costs and maximize profits. you know delegates, this resolution is about recruitment and retention, but it's also about the ideals on which this movement of ours was founded. if as a union we are to meet the challenges that lie ahead, then please support this resolution. -if not, we can stand here like and get our feet wet, because that's what's gonna happen. +if not, we can stand here like and get our feet wet, because that's what's gonna happen. please support. thanks very much indeed liz. colleagues, i now come back to the special report and will take speakers from the regions. liverpool region. if colleagues from the back of congress are intending to speak, if they could come forward. -alan liverpool region. +alan liverpool region. president, congress, liverpool region support the document. we do need closer links, not only with the t & g but also with other unions, but let's not forget that other unions are organizing to build up their membership at the expense of the g m b. we need to make up our minds do we want an amalgamation or not. if we do, we must act quickly because our members in the health service, local authorities and all public services are in danger of being approached by the creation of unison. our craft members are in danger of being approached by the a w e u alan, alan i'm sorry to interrupt you, i do apologize. -colleagues this is a very important matter. +colleagues this is a very important matter. i'm sure we're all agreed about that. so let's have the best of order for the speakers please. right alan @@ -24703,20 +24677,20 @@ there would also be another benefit in amalgamation. we would get back the two and a half thousand members the t & g poached in liverpool city council. one final point, the liverpool regional council strongly recommended that amalgamation talks should start as soon as possible. scotland. -president, colleagues, geoff g m b scotland. +president, colleagues, geoff g m b scotland. supporting the c e c report. -colleagues, g m b scotland welcomes and congratulates the central executive's initiative in bringing forward the of this congress the big important debate of this congress between ourselves and the transport and general workers' union at some time in the future. -the paper quite rightly says and i quote the relationship between the t g w u and the g m b has all been marked by a blend of competition and co-operation . -it then goes on to detail a number of joint initiatives covering the the country and all the g m b regions. +colleagues, g m b scotland welcomes and congratulates the central executive's initiative in bringing forward the of this congress the big important debate of this congress between ourselves and the transport and general workers' union at some time in the future. +the paper quite rightly says and i quote the relationship between the t g w u and the g m b has all been marked by a blend of competition and co-operation . +it then goes on to detail a number of joint initiatives covering the the country and all the g m b regions. to be fair, the c e c have not tried to say that everything in the garden is rosy, they've also highlighted a number of problem areas that still exist. -indeed all look at the recent decision by the and allied trade union to the members who have amalgamated themselves transport and general workers. -it's only dirty tricks and underhanded tactics used by the t & g during the approach of the workers' union so must realize congress, to be more positive, one of the major benefits or more, the major benefit from future amalgamation with the t & g would be the free help of officials from both unions and and negotiations both national, regional and even at times individual company level where both unions help members. -colleagues, the time gained by having only one and recruitment and on negotiations rather at least two could be much better utilized than the certain, the day to day needs of membership. +indeed all look at the recent decision by the and allied trade union to the members who have amalgamated themselves transport and general workers. +it's only dirty tricks and underhanded tactics used by the t & g during the approach of the workers' union so must realize congress, to be more positive, one of the major benefits or more, the major benefit from future amalgamation with the t & g would be the free help of officials from both unions and and negotiations both national, regional and even at times individual company level where both unions help members. +colleagues, the time gained by having only one and recruitment and on negotiations rather at least two could be much better utilized than the certain, the day to day needs of membership. colleagues, g m b scotland subscribe to review that the benefits from the future amalgamation between the two great general unions within the united kingdom would by far any possible deficits. congress, g m b scotland supports. london region. congress, president. -ed westminster trade union political staffs branch, london region. +ed westminster trade union political staffs branch, london region. congress, i'm a labour councillor and whenever i sit on the council i also ask conservative members to declare their interest before they speak on an issue, so i better declare mine. when i first went to work, i went and joined the union, there wasn't one in the factory i was working in and so i went to the nearest er trade union office and joined. that union supported me as i recruited the whole of the workforce and er, i was then sacked after four weeks! @@ -24739,41 +24713,40 @@ we don't need to see er leaflets and so on urging us into merger before they're go steadily forward, work towards the merger, but don't force it too quickly. i support the document midland region -president, conference alan midland and east coast region, opposing the c e c document. +president, conference alan midland and east coast region, opposing the c e c document. conference my region isn't against amalgamations with other unions. the g m b's got a long record of joining forces with others which has proved to be successful, but if we're gonna be honest, it's always been recognized that we would be the predominant union and yes apex members we should have been honest with you at the time of merger, because it's quite clear you was gonna lose your identity to at least to some extent and we should have been honest about that. the only thing i would say delegates is that the we will also swallow the goldfish and there's a message in that for all of us. a merger with the transport and general workers' union will be like any other previous arrangements. -the problems that are gonna manifest themselves will any possible advantages. +the problems that are gonna manifest themselves will any possible advantages. consider for example what's gonna happen to the rulebook and to our structures. let's think about the number of regions we have, the t & g have got seven, we've got ten. perhaps we'll lose a region, or three. how regional councils and the c e c operate? -what i do know we'll, we'll to get everyone in. +what i do know we'll, we'll to get everyone in. how are we going to organize congress? perhaps president we could solve the problem by the t & g having theirs one year and us the next. i suppose that's that kind of bi-annual arrangement. what's going to happen to the regional committees, to officers and staff? -these will be the issues that'll concentrate but more importantly, what's in the best interest of our members? +these will be the issues that'll concentrate but more importantly, what's in the best interest of our members? will their concerns be at the forefront of people's minds once the powerbroking bloodletting starts, and blood will be spilt you know. -ask the t & g officers what they think to the way they were when the redundancy notices were handed out so full time officers in the -in the audience, be careful cos you're going don't be under any illusion when your region, your job, or your elected position is under threat, it's human nature to protect your back and when this happens, it's the members who end up being the casualties. +ask the t & g officers what they think to the way they were when the redundancy notices were handed out so full time officers in the +in the audience, be careful cos you're going don't be under any illusion when your region, your job, or your elected position is under threat, it's human nature to protect your back and when this happens, it's the members who end up being the casualties. conference, the document quite rightly identifies the common ground between our two unions. it points to the cooperation which already exists. so why do we need to formalize these arrangements, why rock the boat at time when the political climate is ? you don't believe for a minute that this government will stand by while the two biggest general unions get together, no way, they'll attack us in any way they can and i warn ya they haven't run out of ideas yet. i'm all in favour of fighting the tories to protect our members' interest, but we won't be doing much fighting because we'll be using all our efforts sorting out internal squabbles. -we can also expect de-recognition by employers who are frightened to death by the t & g. it it's already happening. +we can also expect de-recognition by employers who are frightened to death by the t & g. it it's already happening. i tell you another year of feasibility studies will take us to the point of no return. -bill the and john started holding hands about a year ago and it's already resulted in their engagement and it's clear that they're planning their big day for the summer of next year! +bill the and john started holding hands about a year ago and it's already resulted in their engagement and it's clear that they're planning their big day for the summer of next year! we should tell them to forget about having their banns read and advise them stay just good friends. colleagues we have an opportunity today to vote this document down, to vote against it because the future of our union and the interests of our members is at risk. let's take it and prevent a constructive - see see you in a second. now what can we do for jane?you're you're wheezing? you're a bad woman . -dr aye really quite bad. +dr aye really quite bad. a lovely day like that, you're wheezing. no i've been quite bad for thursday or friday have you? @@ -24788,7 +24761,7 @@ your tubes are full. aye. very tired. i feel very tired. -forgotten sometimes. +forgotten sometimes. aye no wonder. would you like to come. . right okay, don't. @@ -24797,14 +24770,14 @@ get your tubes loosened up. i'll need to give you an antibiotic as well jane to mm. that stuff because there's a lot of stuff lying actually caught in the tubes. -aye i've take pains a lot. +aye i've take pains a lot. aye. everywhere. everywhere? aye. right. -and thirteenth well what about work? -you'll no manage work +and thirteenth well what about work? +you'll no manage work no i've not been at my work this you've not been at your work. aye. @@ -24824,42 +24797,41 @@ now did you put in a self certificate as well did you? no well that's what i that's was phoning the work for. -aye +aye self certificate this week? she says, no, and it's holiday time, a self certificate's no good. -aye +aye you'll need an insurance line. no get a self certificate and put it in -to road. -to keep yourself covered with road. +to road. +to keep yourself covered with road. alright. cos that's what the work should have done. ah. they should have got a self certificate and then sent it on to road for you. -will i get that then? +will i get that then? but you get it from -what down the road ? -aye down the road and get it away jane, just to keep yourself covered . +what down the road ? +aye down the road and get it away jane, just to keep yourself covered . right. cos er they should have done that. they're a crowd of bandits. who's that ? yeah.. -och to breathe down there know what i mean, but oh. +och to breathe down there know what i mean, but oh. mm. boy it's getting getting past it. aye it's the daughter now. it's no boys, it's karen she's the boss . lady muck. -say no more say no more. +say no more say no more. okay, thanks now doctor. -well you're that'll keep jane. +well you're that'll keep jane. okay? thanks. right. cheerio now. - -i got a thing from this morning +i got a thing from this morning from where? where's that at? it's the @@ -24868,26 +24840,26 @@ technical college oh right, what saying?, you're not brainy enough to go to college no, no i don't no, is oh can i have your fork? -ah ya you've got more than me +ah ya you've got more than me i like these feet i do, i like the yellow ones, it, it just said what did it say? i thought it was a refresher course,it's not that what is this?, this yours? -jane don't be nosy, you shouldn't read other people's things what did she say it? +jane don't be nosy, you shouldn't read other people's things what did she say it? go and ask when she's finished or when she's about finished reading that she's nearly finished actually why, what she gonna do? -you don't have to pick your conversation for this, right, where's the cats are they out? +you don't have to pick your conversation for this, right, where's the cats are they out? come on soot, good boy, sooty come on, out you go, out, come on good boy, out, have you seen tigger? yeah he's upstairs. -right fella at work this +right fella at work this where's that lisa stansfield tape, mum? erm is it not in the pocket? no our becky boo's had it here, er i don't know, the paper might be down there it's great. -it's, it's around somewhere, she's slung it, she was in a foul mood oh looks a bit slim in them don't she? +it's, it's around somewhere, she's slung it, she was in a foul mood oh looks a bit slim in them don't she? that kelly leave the freezer on, why don't you turn 'em off? er, ah, it'll blow warm in a bit, when it gets warm, if you want it off just knock that up to there. @@ -24896,31 +24868,31 @@ jo's a nice girl int she? yeah she is, are they not engaged or anything? i don't think so he's taking his time int he? -yeah perhaps she's got a mutual agreement that they'll just end up perhaps getting married, i don't know +yeah perhaps she's got a mutual agreement that they'll just end up perhaps getting married, i don't know that's a nice house. that one? -yeah it is that's what you and uncle tony supposed to of got. +yeah it is that's what you and uncle tony supposed to of got. what? -one of those long cruisers excuse me +one of those long cruisers excuse me didn't measure my window. -oh never mind, we'll do it and pop down later did we not do it before? +oh never mind, we'll do it and pop down later did we not do it before? is it not six foot? or was it seven foot? is richard's mum and dad buying him a little car? -i don't honestly know, he said er, he's got to go in for his test, he said, and then i'll have to see about a car so i don't know whether they're gonna buy him one or not +i don't honestly know, he said er, he's got to go in for his test, he said, and then i'll have to see about a car so i don't know whether they're gonna buy him one or not yeah cos, does he stay with his mum? he will do won't he? -yeah, i think so, yeah i don't think richard, i don't think he goes out anywhere , so, his hobby's in canoeing, but +yeah, i think so, yeah i don't think richard, i don't think he goes out anywhere , so, his hobby's in canoeing, but he wants to make 'em don't he or summat? -well he thought your dad was buying that mould from jim so he did say that, he, he'd lent him that book on how to actually build them, but that's +well he thought your dad was buying that mould from jim so he did say that, he, he'd lent him that book on how to actually build them, but that's who did? -obviously not gonna come off, richard lent your dad the book -it looks pretty busy for a sunday there's a lot of +obviously not gonna come off, richard lent your dad the book +it looks pretty busy for a sunday there's a lot of what clements? yeah. well is that on? -yeah i what a -i don't think so, no more like +yeah i what a +i don't think so, no more like right then. volkswagen. yeah @@ -24930,20 +24902,20 @@ go inside. i'll get a trolley, i'll get a few bits, yeah. yeah i could have brought me watch down, i need a battery in it tt heck -oh i like that, that little russian ring +oh i like that, that little russian ring that's nice. she shouldn't be very much longer now don't really notice -oh he's hiding they're here now, they've got a trolley, i don't think i need one oh isn't she sweet? +oh he's hiding they're here now, they've got a trolley, i don't think i need one oh isn't she sweet? what's she got there? it's mandy's hello sweetheart er, i don't need this do i if you've got that? sorry we just thought it's better than carrying her around. -yeah okay just if it hello becky boo what have you got on eh? +yeah okay just if it hello becky boo what have you got on eh? there was a horse running round and we got held up with traffic. where at? -there'd been an accident right outside park, anyway there was some lad, i don't know was he, is he or what, but he's on a horse and it's only a baby, and i think it's thrown him and there's +there'd been an accident right outside park, anyway there was some lad, i don't know was he, is he or what, but he's on a horse and it's only a baby, and i think it's thrown him and there's ah all bit and everything's come out so of course the horse is running around free and he's trying to catch it he's trying to catch it spooking it even more and @@ -24954,10 +24926,10 @@ yeah i was just saying i just saying that something like that, something cheap, that doesn't matter if it gets mucked up. oh that'll do. -one of those, okay tracy what, what about a calculator? +one of those, okay tracy what, what about a calculator? not into that could do with bigger buttons -it's a bit gory colours, but that's a good'un. +it's a bit gory colours, but that's a good'un. that one? yeah, well you'll need one as well won't ya? erm i'm gonna have to manage with little ones for the time being. @@ -24968,7 +24940,7 @@ oh so that's the same that's same isn't it? yeah, i suppose like if you're not in any bright lights you can have it on the battery -yeah where's it gone? +yeah where's it gone? those curtains look really nice. do they look nice? yeah that's nice. @@ -24978,7 +24950,7 @@ do they? mm look a lot darker in that little bit though do they? -got the i've got to fill it up somehow +got the i've got to fill it up somehow do ya? no, no i don't think i could cos i'm on me own such a lot, i can't, you can't make conversation by yourself can ya? could but they'd put you away @@ -24986,14 +24958,14 @@ true i had me hair in a ponytail this morning, it looked silly. did it? oh look at those -oh forever friends lunch boxes hello becky boo give nat a kiss, what? +oh forever friends lunch boxes hello becky boo give nat a kiss, what? what's that? what's that? -you'll want one of those when you go to school, oh int it pretty yeah, that's pretty yes give nat a kiss, give me a kiss. +you'll want one of those when you go to school, oh int it pretty yeah, that's pretty yes give nat a kiss, give me a kiss. give her kisses. no alright then, i don't want a kiss thank you. -oh a paddy, paddy, paddy have you tried er -yeah, er there's those cord ones somewhere what d'ya think? +oh a paddy, paddy, paddy have you tried er +yeah, er there's those cord ones somewhere what d'ya think? i like 'em, they're only twelve ninety nine, they've come down. yeah they're nice aren't they? mm @@ -25019,7 +24991,7 @@ aye. yeah. they're just twelve ninety nine are they waterproof? -well no, but she's always in her pram and, int she, her other one new coat, for you +well no, but she's always in her pram and, int she, her other one new coat, for you i don't know whether i like that hat or not it's alright what you doing? @@ -25027,30 +24999,30 @@ i want a pair of those socks. those are nice aren't they? mm boo. -have to start buying some summer gear soon won't we? +have to start buying some summer gear soon won't we? no, keep your hat on, no that's nice. -right, that i like that erm the black one, the grey one. +right, that i like that erm the black one, the grey one. yeah. the grey one looks better. -it's nice eight pounds fifty though ooh yeah, over oh yes ooh -you want to get out as soon as you get in that's nice +it's nice eight pounds fifty though ooh yeah, over oh yes ooh +you want to get out as soon as you get in that's nice that fell off. yeah it's gonna take john quite a while apparently, he's coming in next week as well. mm it's alright for a fiver. which one do you want? -it's different how much has that got? +it's different how much has that got? two litre. two litre. -mm, i don't -that's got 'em do they both work the same? -erm oh this one +mm, i don't +that's got 'em do they both work the same? +erm oh this one is it leaking or? what's that? -it's only a fiver, reduced from fifteen ninety nine, that one reduces nitrates oh well the state our water's been in just lately bring the top out yeah it's there +it's only a fiver, reduced from fifteen ninety nine, that one reduces nitrates oh well the state our water's been in just lately bring the top out yeah it's there it's stuck. -i think, hang on +i think, hang on yeah, that's why it's only five pound, huh, cos the box is rubbish what is it? coffee cup. @@ -25102,7 +25074,7 @@ what's this, it's biscuits, yeah, biscuits, did you hear that mummy? biscuits. biscuits, the state of your face. you tried it, didn't you darling? -yeah you do try, yeah, biscuits, biscuits, yeah and, biscuits biscuits, they're doggie biscuits, they're doggie biscuits, er, will there be enough? +yeah you do try, yeah, biscuits, biscuits, yeah and, biscuits biscuits, they're doggie biscuits, they're doggie biscuits, er, will there be enough? you'd better get a bigger one, hundred and sixty one. doesn't matter that's, they're gonna need 'em aren't they? you'll just have to tell me when you're getting low @@ -25110,8 +25082,8 @@ yeah i'll sort it out. and then ah, how come i never get any cuddles like that right, well now, coffee. -coffee on the next one what? -yes oh yes +coffee on the next one what? +yes oh yes david what do you want? what shall we do? get some, two lots or? @@ -25162,45 +25134,45 @@ what are you doing to daddy? you want to go to daddy now? want to go to daddy? what do you want? what they doing to you? -right yeah because if you're having cereals where you gonna get fresh milk every morning? +right yeah because if you're having cereals where you gonna get fresh milk every morning? there must be a little shop somewhere, ta darling. can you just from what? can you hang on to rebecca cos she's just pulled this off. -instead of pot noodles and beans on toast have pot noodles on own +instead of pot noodles and beans on toast have pot noodles on own yeah david said he's not too bothered, would he rather take some beans and the toaster? got some beans then? -sod off then looks squashed in there don't ya? +sod off then looks squashed in there don't ya? want to come to net yeah? yeah how many packs of chicken? that means you can always have baked beans on toast at lunch time, it's the case of first week finding out. -yeah what you looking for david? -no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this, that's a press stud yeah. +yeah what you looking for david? +no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this, that's a press stud yeah. becky boos what's aunty teresa doing? eh? aunty teresa doing? -no darling okay damn you're making my arm ache ta +no darling okay damn you're making my arm ache ta put it on there. -i don't want it too high up yes +i don't want it too high up yes oh where's he gone? what's he doing now? he's looking at soups -he might want some help aargh what you doing? +he might want some help aargh what you doing? rebecca rebecca boo. what's that? what's that? yeah i don't like that. -yes yes +yes yes no i like erm -you're making my arm ache, you're heavy do you want to walk? +you're making my arm ache, you're heavy do you want to walk? want to walk? -ooh, come on, that's it, good girl who's that in that wi look in that mirror, what you doing? +ooh, come on, that's it, good girl who's that in that wi look in that mirror, what you doing? eh? what's he doing that little boy, eh? -come on what's he doing? +come on what's he doing? eh? er i know what we've passed by sugar, better go and get what three, three bags? there's two there. @@ -25216,7 +25188,7 @@ coat and your lemonade? yeah. right, well, well don't give me half for coat cos you've got filter. oh -there's some lovely little girls' coats, but i thought like let, long ones, i thought they'll probably be alright for in her pram +there's some lovely little girls' coats, but i thought like let, long ones, i thought they'll probably be alright for in her pram yeah, i'll say. it's not gonna show up muck as much becky. becky come on, come on @@ -25225,13 +25197,13 @@ where you going? come on to annette, come on back this way rebecca. come on sweetheart this way, bye, bye, are you going? -we're going this way come on you little rogue, you're a little rogue aren't ya? -a little rogue ooh getting told off little baby's being told off yeah. +we're going this way come on you little rogue, you're a little rogue aren't ya? +a little rogue ooh getting told off little baby's being told off yeah. what about taking 'em a bottle? yeah that's what he's on about do it. wow, wow, wow -ah, oh, ah, oh, let go, good girl, yes well yeah come on, let go, whey +ah, oh, ah, oh, let go, good girl, yes well yeah come on, let go, whey there's a sandwich shop, and you could have, they have loads of fillings. they haven't got any mum. they haven't? @@ -25256,15 +25228,15 @@ they want some bread don't they? yeah. and some butter. bread and butter and -we'll have to give 'em er, or well andrew will give 'em knives and stuff surely won't he, cos he'll have enough off the train la, la, la, la, la, la net what? +we'll have to give 'em er, or well andrew will give 'em knives and stuff surely won't he, cos he'll have enough off the train la, la, la, la, la, la net what? are you going down? cheese and biscuits, we've got some cheese and biscuits at home ain't we? -we'll get some cheese whatever you want if you're having toast as well tracy, well yeah i was going to say that probably would be a better size shout at daddy then where's he gone? +we'll get some cheese whatever you want if you're having toast as well tracy, well yeah i was going to say that probably would be a better size shout at daddy then where's he gone? got your shoes off are you in a marathon or what ? eh? -daddy's not that way dad, where's he gone? -becky boo, come on find daddy this way, find him this way go on, ooh sorry she's going down each aisle and shouting dad. +daddy's not that way dad, where's he gone? +becky boo, come on find daddy this way, find him this way go on, ooh sorry she's going down each aisle and shouting dad. i found your dad look, i found him, look, who's up there? who's up there? alright, that's what we had on that bread that night @@ -25299,45 +25271,45 @@ are they only thirty seven p? yeah. well put one in then. gonna take the other -no leave it, leave it, if it's only thirty seven pence er +no leave it, leave it, if it's only thirty seven pence er what is it? just cream cheese, i like that one. yeah i had with that if they took cheese slices they could do a cheese, toasted cheese sandwiches or well tell him then -or david if you took cheese slices, yeah you could do -i could +or david if you took cheese slices, yeah you could do +i could like toasted bread and, cos that would go in the toaster with two slices together. yeah i know yeah ooh -pale peach material or some erm tt braid and that cheap and edge your tie-backs +pale peach material or some erm tt braid and that cheap and edge your tie-backs how would you know if it's finished one side? oh it's got a little bit to go yet it'll just stop. right, and it needs a new battery as well i think -can we get some of that warm bread +can we get some of that warm bread yeah. with cheese on it? yeah, do it, what type? do you want crusty rolls? what so that you put 'em, where you put those in the oven and warm 'em up? you can warm, yeah you can warm 'em up, or, or soft buns, little soft buns, no. -oh she got any, what has she got on that trolley? +oh she got any, what has she got on that trolley? that women over there. what, what did you want? some of those cakes i got those buns. they might not make 'em on a sunday what is there? -get some baking or something +get some baking or something you want some toasty bread or some get anything for sandwiches. -yeah, yeah you can do, they'll have to buy the bread when they need it i don't know what they'll be like warm, have i to get these no erm +yeah, yeah you can do, they'll have to buy the bread when they need it i don't know what they'll be like warm, have i to get these no erm i want summat to put it on so -yeah i know, er what, shall i just get ordinary buns? +yeah i know, er what, shall i just get ordinary buns? or some -unless you get some where have you been? -er +unless you get some where have you been? +er what about these? yeah, alright oh that bread. @@ -25351,7 +25323,7 @@ don't either, you wouldn't eat it with bits in. get a bit of brown sauce and tomato sauce, heat them up on that. put it in. yeah, yeah just small jars and then we're not wasting it if we don't use it. -why don't you squeeze some in ours at home? +why don't you squeeze some in ours at home? sorry. okay. i said the small ones. @@ -25367,7 +25339,7 @@ here. they're like lead boots, go nah. how'd it go? nah. -what bob, bob, bob, bob, bob, bob, bob, bob +what bob, bob, bob, bob, bob, bob, bob, bob should of got one of them for your granddad. mean you'd have the seat numbers on it then. they've got numbers on. @@ -25382,8 +25354,8 @@ well i'm not wearing for my deodorant. oh. last of my money so i might as well spend it. -you don't have to spend it, you can give it to me -it asks you what you've got to do for, it tells you what you've to do for your test and it tells you what you should and what you shouldn't do, it's only forty one pages so if you want to read it you can have it, it's quite good, it's not full pages either it's like drawings and just bits of paragraphs. +you don't have to spend it, you can give it to me +it asks you what you've got to do for, it tells you what you've to do for your test and it tells you what you should and what you shouldn't do, it's only forty one pages so if you want to read it you can have it, it's quite good, it's not full pages either it's like drawings and just bits of paragraphs. what you up to? whoops she's got a skirt on @@ -25400,24 +25372,24 @@ what? what's that? that's a pizza. you like pizzas don't you? -pizza ee, you'll have to have your daughter. -right tracy are you is she putting that through first? -or why don't you give mum the money and put it all through, no no i better not no. -no i'd like to put receipt in books and it's, they'll probably turn round and tell me it's all so i can't, i can't offset it against the tax, or v a t or whatever. +pizza ee, you'll have to have your daughter. +right tracy are you is she putting that through first? +or why don't you give mum the money and put it all through, no no i better not no. +no i'd like to put receipt in books and it's, they'll probably turn round and tell me it's all so i can't, i can't offset it against the tax, or v a t or whatever. sorry. oh hang on mum's getting that. oh is she? -yeah what are you doing to me? +yeah what are you doing to me? what do you think you're doing to me? i've got to get the shopping through, in a minute aargh. -in a minute daddy's got, daddy won't let you go you horror, it's only cos you're closer to things with me int it? +in a minute daddy's got, daddy won't let you go you horror, it's only cos you're closer to things with me int it? you a bit lower down, int it? -no no that rebecca's new coat? +no no that rebecca's new coat? is that your new coat? is it? what's that? -oh what a shame should've bought the eggs stand there and all watch me. +oh what a shame should've bought the eggs stand there and all watch me. erm, they'll just have to make sure that they cover everything up and then they don't go stale, not just left open how come you've got two boxes then? well, there not, one's not gonna last very long @@ -25447,7 +25419,7 @@ becky boo i like that cardy. it's from a set, it's got a hat and a scarf. did you do it? -no it was one of the cast-offs. +no it was one of the cast-offs. where is her hat? david's got it i think do you want some change trace? @@ -25467,17 +25439,17 @@ oh shove them in there can we have, can we have some more carrier bags please? that's her soup. i'll get our stuff. -alright then, ta, alright i'm doing this -yeah it's hands all over +alright then, ta, alright i'm doing this +yeah it's hands all over daz and that. that's what he's putting in. alright. that note book, er no he wants that cream in your carrier bag. yeah. oh you, you don't need me driving license do ya? -cos it's visa,thinking about being a cheque thanks lovey okay. +cos it's visa,thinking about being a cheque thanks lovey okay. thank you. -becky +becky you want net? thank you. come on rebecca. @@ -25489,15 +25461,15 @@ oh yes. because erm somebody complain about the well it isn't only that i mean er we don't provide the food when they're at home, do we? -i mean we can't keep going shopping every week for, erm providing like all the meal or do we? +i mean we can't keep going shopping every week for, erm providing like all the meal or do we? yes i suppose we do don't we? -yeah, yeah i suppose we do as long as we keep some you, like you keep something in for breakfast and +yeah, yeah i suppose we do as long as we keep some you, like you keep something in for breakfast and oh it'll work out. that'll be main, main thing, won't it? -we'll have to, you'll suss it out anyway then just write down what you need when you, and i can nip down when you co come home at weekends. +we'll have to, you'll suss it out anyway then just write down what you need when you, and i can nip down when you co come home at weekends. are you going out for an evening meal, or? yeah. -yeah look at that little one. +yeah look at that little one. if they wants chips and stuff they can go out and pay for them themselves what for dinner? yeah. @@ -25506,7 +25478,7 @@ cos you've got plenty in for 'em. well i, no i don't know, no i think we'll have to won't we? oh no there's stuff. we got to provide no we've gotta find, provide sandwiches and stuff and -that's what i'm saying if they don't +that's what i'm saying if they don't yeah stuff,variet variety, no they want to go out and get chips they pay for them themselves. we should provide them ham and stuff. @@ -25549,24 +25521,24 @@ i'm not, no i won't. cos there's things that he can show you and oh i know yeah. -alright , okay love i think, are you not open? +alright , okay love i think, are you not open? no she's not bothered you know. i wonder if, when we're all oh i suppose it depends if norman's got anybody in for lessons. -ooh my foot slipped foot had slipped on the clutch and i couldn't do anything about it oh i didn't realize what time it was, your dad'll be wondering where his dinner's got to won't he? +ooh my foot slipped foot had slipped on the clutch and i couldn't do anything about it oh i didn't realize what time it was, your dad'll be wondering where his dinner's got to won't he? there's ann and brian. aargh we've got nothing to make him a sandwich up have we? no. have to go home. int it? -yeah does look a bit black -do er, sarah says those though, they don't really, people really go for him. +yeah does look a bit black +do er, sarah says those though, they don't really, people really go for him. yeah. -every time i go there's only a few packets left. -yeah well i know what to look for now, when i go down i can get 'em but i'd never seen 'em before -well i've never until today whatever they are. +every time i go there's only a few packets left. +yeah well i know what to look for now, when i go down i can get 'em but i'd never seen 'em before +well i've never until today whatever they are. that's em. sixty four p, there on the top shelve in those brown baskets, cos there's the set of, there's the three at the top and three in the middle yeah. @@ -25575,16 +25547,16 @@ i suppose they're er, they'd be quite nice with jam on, i didn't like them witho yeah they are they're just like scones. yeah, they're not as dry as scones are they? scones tend to be a bit dry -it's raining now does that lorry talking to me er like cos they come down this way going to eccleston like two lorries and said there's two cars +it's raining now does that lorry talking to me er like cos they come down this way going to eccleston like two lorries and said there's two cars go on. going through hedges and that down here we're going too fast -yeah and it, of course it was an icy road when he went through there it was your side's not working for some reason. +yeah and it, of course it was an icy road when he went through there it was your side's not working for some reason. must of got blocked up with a bit of muck. possibly, yeah why don't you put your handbrake on, it'll be much easier. -with your dad yeah, yeah cos it's now we've got to order red paint, he didn't get any red because he didn't honestly think, well it didn't, he didn't know he'd need it +with your dad yeah, yeah cos it's now we've got to order red paint, he didn't get any red because he didn't honestly think, well it didn't, he didn't know he'd need it i should think it's not like, realized. -maybe he just didn't think when they showed him it, that it wasn't the right one cos i suppose if you've seen them every day you don't, it doesn't register it's just the fact that of course your dad only gave him the price of the blue and white +maybe he just didn't think when they showed him it, that it wasn't the right one cos i suppose if you've seen them every day you don't, it doesn't register it's just the fact that of course your dad only gave him the price of the blue and white when i i doubt that she'll do it until you've got through your exams wouldn't matter if it was a round number, but forty five. @@ -25595,17 +25567,17 @@ there's grandma . is it? yeah. i didn't see her -no she'd of been to salvation army +no she'd of been to salvation army there's julie right, make him a sandwich, must have something,should of got something. oh ooh, ow hiya pat, oh i got a pain in me back then. -go and let's get, tell annette to put the bloody telephone on the thing or to get off it and +go and let's get, tell annette to put the bloody telephone on the thing or to get off it and oh. you weren't in and i couldn't, i couldn't find telephone number to give him a ring, i've just got, i've just got through to directory enquiries, got the number, just gonna dial it and gran says annette's home. -i would of -oh thanks pat must, cats must of knocked it off. -tell annette to get off that bloody phone +i would of +oh thanks pat must, cats must of knocked it off. +tell annette to get off that bloody phone he's a cheeky sod. i put it er, i put it back on the phone oh he is nice int, it's charming really. @@ -25613,7 +25585,7 @@ well why not? he's not gonna get any dinner now for that. graham got a letter yesterday. yeah. -from that er rehabilitation cen centre in er white, in west +from that er rehabilitation cen centre in er white, in west white cross. in white cross. he's er got to ring up and make an appointment then go and have it, it is, we are, we would like to invite you to have a look round our shop and see what you can do. @@ -25632,7 +25604,7 @@ he's walking like that, it's like walking round town with a bloody magnet on you you can't move. you know the trouble is you hope, you can't, but, it's not so bad in the big shops cos you can walk out the other yeah. -sort of go out another +sort of go out another yeah. door the way. he must get fed up mustn't he? @@ -25640,7 +25612,7 @@ ooh he gets bored stiff yeah. never mind. it's difficult pat innit? -this is it, let's hope anyway something comes of it +this is it, let's hope anyway something comes of it oh something'll come. yeah. look at the snowdrops @@ -25661,72 +25633,72 @@ right i'll make him some dinner and take it up, thanks pat. right never been off the hook. it wasn't off? -no oh don't say that to him though, cos he'll blow his top won't he? -yeah hiya, i'm just coming up now with you some dinner, er, i don't know whether the cats have knocked it off or have ya? -yeah, okay, i've just been to asda so kids are on the way to put the bits of shopping in the van, alright, cos i got 'em some cereal and some bread and i'll bring up the toaster, they can take the toaster with 'em for a while and oh there is, is there? +no oh don't say that to him though, cos he'll blow his top won't he? +yeah hiya, i'm just coming up now with you some dinner, er, i don't know whether the cats have knocked it off or have ya? +yeah, okay, i've just been to asda so kids are on the way to put the bits of shopping in the van, alright, cos i got 'em some cereal and some bread and i'll bring up the toaster, they can take the toaster with 'em for a while and oh there is, is there? oh well okay then, erm, but i've got 'em cereal and sugar and coffee and tea and bread and some cheese slices to make some toasted sandwiches and, so it should be okay, alright, er, i won't be long, alright, bye . right i'll make him you want one of these buns up but what on earth am i gonna put him in his sandwich now? should of got something, what have i got down there? nothing, huh, spent all that money and got nothing -well there's cheese that'll do me +well there's cheese that'll do me what have you got? corned beef i meant to get some bits for us, i might have to go back no mm what time's he finishing work? -oh he'll be there all day can i try a bit? +oh he'll be there all day can i try a bit? quite nice mm what sort of cheese is that one? same as that looks nice -there's that unit. +there's that unit. they're both because, the other one's got a fault in it and it's not working properly do ya want one? -please yeah thank you +please yeah thank you could've done corned beef hash, could've done some mm couldn't ya? -oh do some popcorn, good that popcorn +oh do some popcorn, good that popcorn are you coming up with me? e'er no. -that's done that will you be alright? +that's done that will you be alright? mm, mm. i worry about you with them brakes on your car -right i'll see you in a bit. +right i'll see you in a bit. alright then. i'll come back and hoover, alright? tell you what, i want to take a bag of crisps, and then if i sit with him erm are we going to see you later then? mm. -yeah erm +yeah erm okay, i won't be long. alright. -worm stop it er soggy biscuit or what pain, are you being a pain in the bum? +worm stop it er soggy biscuit or what pain, are you being a pain in the bum? becky are you a pain in the bum? -pain in the bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, ah teddy look becky, look, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, alright then who's a pretty girl, are you tired? +pain in the bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, ah teddy look becky, look, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, alright then who's a pretty girl, are you tired? are you tired? now what have you found? that's a zip, get off do you want your jim-jams? becky where's your jim-jams? eh? -er there horrible aha becky do you want your jim-jams on? +er there horrible aha becky do you want your jim-jams on? didn't realize they could have, foxes could have nosebleeds can they? oh i didn't know that, what causes nosebleeds? like they do in humans -just build up of, erm i was talking to our tom about nosebleeds, alan was saying that his father used to be a lot like david and he used to get terrible headaches and it used to end up in a really bad nosebleed and he started giving blood regular and it stopped it. -apparently the body, his body was making too much blood and the only way that he could release it was by building, by nosebleeds it don't make sense does it? +just build up of, erm i was talking to our tom about nosebleeds, alan was saying that his father used to be a lot like david and he used to get terrible headaches and it used to end up in a really bad nosebleed and he started giving blood regular and it stopped it. +apparently the body, his body was making too much blood and the only way that he could release it was by building, by nosebleeds it don't make sense does it? what you doing? eh? what you doing? oh crash -i'm wondering if, if that's what david needs to do what, what have i got to do with this? +i'm wondering if, if that's what david needs to do what, what have i got to do with this? does it, is it a nice hat? ooh, it's a crooked hat, where's becky gone? where she at? @@ -25734,13 +25706,13 @@ hello, hello, where's becky gone, boo what's that? where's becky gone? lockjaw -no that thing waterproof walking in lake, wahey -all cut no +no that thing waterproof walking in lake, wahey +all cut no oh me knees -have you come to yet, is that the one with lockjaw? +have you come to yet, is that the one with lockjaw? dead one? ah shame -saying er, i was telling it the other day, she said you could spend all that money on and she said, we went to see this horse, it was years ago before they got their own, she said the horse had just had its foal and it was like he'd spent a thousand pound on the, the actual stallion yeah and it come out +saying er, i was telling it the other day, she said you could spend all that money on and she said, we went to see this horse, it was years ago before they got their own, she said the horse had just had its foal and it was like he'd spent a thousand pound on the, the actual stallion yeah and it come out this, this foal should of been worth, it were due to be worth two hundred and fifty thousand that's what she said yeah it come out with a, a knee injury did it? @@ -25749,11 +25721,11 @@ ah no, oh would it of not of been kinder to put it to sleep as soon as it were b no cos of mother, had to wean it so yeah what? -ah one, two, three, up a daisy what, yes boogie, boogie, boogie, boogie, yes aunty teresa's curtains, i don't know how we're gonna fix 'em up +ah one, two, three, up a daisy what, yes boogie, boogie, boogie, boogie, yes aunty teresa's curtains, i don't know how we're gonna fix 'em up leave it until tomorrow i'll do it, we'll do it tomorrow -i'll just finish reading this and then i'll er go and do give me a smackerooney, look at that lovely face, a little angel, a little angel +i'll just finish reading this and then i'll er go and do give me a smackerooney, look at that lovely face, a little angel, a little angel get on 'em now did i tell ya? -don't lick it yucky, yucky, no don't put it in your mouth, no +don't lick it yucky, yucky, no don't put it in your mouth, no did you not what wait while we were on holiday? yeah, yeah it's money though innit for ya @@ -25774,7 +25746,7 @@ you haven't i brought it in oh good i was thinking about nappies, but i'm not gonna be able to change a nappy, good book that teresa cure is a treatment int it, is it treatment, cure? -cure is, yeah its, it makes 'em better, cure is a i don't know any, i'll go and look in dictionary that'll tell us, erm +cure is, yeah its, it makes 'em better, cure is a i don't know any, i'll go and look in dictionary that'll tell us, erm oh sorry no come here @@ -25784,13 +25756,13 @@ look what mummy's got i said your mum wants play with it sweetheart come here what? -becky boo what can you see? +becky boo what can you see? what? -oh he's watching you he's watching you -gonna be next thing, at least it's gonna be right time cos summer's coming up, so i reckon she'll pick it up pretty quick, i don't think you'll have +oh he's watching you he's watching you +gonna be next thing, at least it's gonna be right time cos summer's coming up, so i reckon she'll pick it up pretty quick, i don't think you'll have will you not darling? she's pretty, she's bright int she? -i mean rebecca ooh little pig coming to get ya, she's coming, she's coming, she's coming +i mean rebecca ooh little pig coming to get ya, she's coming, she's coming, she's coming i bet you lot don't think so but yeah what elvis? elvis, yeah @@ -25802,7 +25774,7 @@ when's that on? it's on on a sunday int it? yeah been on quite a few weeks -it doesn't seem two minutes since i saw it last oh big fat tummy, big fat tummy or what? +it doesn't seem two minutes since i saw it last oh big fat tummy, big fat tummy or what? go bang won't it? bang bang, yeah shall we go bang? @@ -25810,11 +25782,11 @@ yeah shall we go bang? you tired it's gonna go bang -bang fingernails need cutting, i can't find me scissors +bang fingernails need cutting, i can't find me scissors yeah they're sharp her nails, yeah she caught my face yeah -yeah she caught, yeah who's that? +yeah she caught, yeah who's that? got a lovely smile -bang, bang, bang you're not taking it off, keep it on poo, poo +bang, bang, bang you're not taking it off, keep it on poo, poo smelly trainers or what poo, pooey, stinky, bad, does it smell bad? sam, sam pick up the mustard, say sam, sam pick up the mustard, have they got the right @@ -25826,13 +25798,13 @@ you stink you can't try to crawl off your face is mucky, what can we give your dad for his tea? give him what we had -oh yes, there's a tin of +oh yes, there's a tin of oh he wants him to read his favourite story what's up teresa? oh i've been er where's it at? it's in the kitchen int it? -on the side by er +on the side by er there you go sweetheart, ah cuddly-duddly i got her that, didn't i, that? mm @@ -25848,7 +25820,7 @@ no she wasn't laying on the floor when she had this on, took it off when she sat oh of course you did, mummy said no doesn't smell like cat wee it looks quite comfortable -have you got a carrier stuff in +have you got a carrier stuff in yeah there's one in the cupboard, yeah at the back coming back in a minute bring us the bird book @@ -25856,7 +25828,7 @@ you brought it then what? bird book where's it at? -that, on top of the washing machine ta +that, on top of the washing machine ta thanks don't tell me oh no, oh, no your dad'll wait till you come back @@ -25864,14 +25836,14 @@ yeah of course you can, help yourself oh what have you done, fetch it here, where's it at? go and fetch it, give it to nat, good girl ah what have you done? -give it nat good girl give it me, ta, where's your, go and get the box +give it nat good girl give it me, ta, where's your, go and get the box down there fetch the box, good girl go and get the box good girl, get the box no, can you get that box please, she's emptied the er wet ones what's mummy got, some milk? -some milk, ooh becky's milk you're wonderful aren't ya, oh you're wonderful turn it down too noisy, cos it's loud +some milk, ooh becky's milk you're wonderful aren't ya, oh you're wonderful turn it down too noisy, cos it's loud goodness knows how i'm gonna drag myself out of bed in the morning yeah trouble is i have to leave at quarter to eight @@ -25879,7 +25851,7 @@ tell me what time you have to get up in morning about seven probably, get sorted ah come on trace i'm trying to watch this where you going? -what does that that's your good cardy +what does that that's your good cardy no just a coat just a coat becky boo, beck boo are you going to put your coat on? @@ -25889,32 +25861,32 @@ i don't know, er it's horrible innit? i, it's warm innit, it's it's just what she's been used to innit? yeah -that big pussy cat wild thing, i think i love you what is it? +that big pussy cat wild thing, i think i love you what is it? it's a pussy cat isn't it? oh! -he's meant to be quite sad that he dies +he's meant to be quite sad that he dies does he? yeah does that little boy? yeah, he dies in it oh cos he made the home alone two -yeah, i know, but this is not home alone died in real life! -come on you, come and put your hand in this sleeve oh no you don't you little monkey +yeah, i know, but this is not home alone died in real life! +come on you, come and put your hand in this sleeve oh no you don't you little monkey i'll have to get one of those what's that? yeah, yeah we will, where'd you buy 'em w h smiths, tescos oh right gives you a list -yeah +yeah tesco and mothercare, homecare, macdonalds, w h smiths troy houses come on, then we'll go and find them doggies go and find prince and duke -princey and dukey, here are mum you'll probably do it better than me prince and duke and pussy cats +princey and dukey, here are mum you'll probably do it better than me prince and duke and pussy cats got her trainers -aargh mummy she's not daft you know +aargh mummy she's not daft you know what? right are you taking teddy home? @@ -25938,7 +25910,7 @@ eh, what you doing to mummy, eh? what you doing to mummy? what are you doing to mummy? urgh who's that in there? -oh right we ready for a run, eh? +oh right we ready for a run, eh? is that your scarf, is that your scarf? come on puss, shh, shh, shh where's it gone rebecca? @@ -25959,20 +25931,20 @@ eh, did you talk to daddy? oops stuck, is that stuck? there we go, are you alright daddy? are you asking alright, ask daddy if he's alright, are you alright daddy? -come home to rebecca, you tell daddy, ask daddy if he's alright, you do it, alright,you alright , say bye, bye, bye, bye say bye, bye to daddy ooh bye, bye, daddy, say bye, bye to daddy, you alright, yes daddy alright, daddy alright what's in there? -no it's stuck, ooh stuck int it stuck, stuck stuck, stuck stuck, stuck,st tt, tt, stuck what's that? -ooh, ooh what's on there? +come home to rebecca, you tell daddy, ask daddy if he's alright, you do it, alright,you alright , say bye, bye, bye, bye say bye, bye to daddy ooh bye, bye, daddy, say bye, bye to daddy, you alright, yes daddy alright, daddy alright what's in there? +no it's stuck, ooh stuck int it stuck, stuck stuck, stuck stuck, stuck,st tt, tt, stuck what's that? +ooh, ooh what's on there? eh? -that's houses of parliament that is, okay then, okay talk to daddy what have you got, is that your ball? -wee, catch, catch, ooh kick kick, you're spilling your milk, ta is that your milk? -la, la, la, la ooh is it heavy? +that's houses of parliament that is, okay then, okay talk to daddy what have you got, is that your ball? +wee, catch, catch, ooh kick kick, you're spilling your milk, ta is that your milk? +la, la, la, la ooh is it heavy? ooh is it heavy? where's your book? let's have a look at your book, ooh rebecca, ooh three little kittens, three little kittens, look at the pussy cats, what are they, pussy cats? -yeah a bird, isn't it, that's a bird, that's a cat and that's a mitten yeah, its feet, its feet yeah, feet what's that? +yeah a bird, isn't it, that's a bird, that's a cat and that's a mitten yeah, its feet, its feet yeah, feet what's that? his tail, is that pussy's tail? ooh some more pussy cats, what's that one? -boogie, boogie, ooh you're dancing, you clever girl, ooh ribena berries look at the horse rebecca, the horse. +boogie, boogie, ooh you're dancing, you clever girl, ooh ribena berries look at the horse rebecca, the horse. what you up to, i could hear you screaming out there, little monster we've been doing our tricks ain't we? oh @@ -25980,7 +25952,7 @@ yeah that's the first time i've seen her do that, come on you little madam, come there's er alright i've got some quavers at work for her oh alright then, just put it in there, there's some juice and a tie thing -right, ma, ma, ma, come on then she'll get ya +right, ma, ma, ma, come on then she'll get ya aargh now you've got ow, ooh @@ -25994,17 +25966,17 @@ go and find granddad look she's straightened her arms and i can't get it in you're a horror, you are you, you're just a bloody horror ah you love your mum granddad and richard -can't have that one, that one, that's a dirty one did i put her teddy in? +can't have that one, that one, that's a dirty one did i put her teddy in? ooh better not leave him in the kitchen or the dogs'll eat him -they'll eat him them biscuits are alright, them cheap biscuits +they'll eat him them biscuits are alright, them cheap biscuits are they okay? yeah, they're good selection -good, that's your milk, milk oh, oh becky boo i'm tired oh steady barker, steady, did you fall over? +good, that's your milk, milk oh, oh becky boo i'm tired oh steady barker, steady, did you fall over? look at that teddy have you got the yeah in me pocket, lights out, i'm going to put the carseat in who's a clever girl, you dancing? -are ya, you dancing oh look at that bird look that bird +are ya, you dancing oh look at that bird look that bird come out of the cupboard, no can you eat a very big potato? no @@ -26017,24 +25989,24 @@ so, what did she say it was twenty pound an hour? a competition or erm i don't know i read it in a book, the paper over there, i'm sure i did homework? -so put down, i've only just missed two things out on health, there was the breathing and erm should be standing in for me on all four feet behind but not four it's quite normal +so put down, i've only just missed two things out on health, there was the breathing and erm should be standing in for me on all four feet behind but not four it's quite normal but you, ain't you said about breathing yourself? yeah, erm, i've got erm, i missed out wings, cracked heels and mud fever there, then she put, i will give you a test over the weekend, your work is good, the work so far is good and make sure you understand it if there's anything you don't understand you just ask. look oh yeah, yeah nice paper int it? has it got a name and address on the top corner is -yeah he he shouldn't +yeah he he shouldn't it's not got sarah's name though -no it's e j -sarah +no it's e j +sarah she ate all of that apart from a couple of spoonfuls no you won't get any piece off her teresa no , no, no you know you'll have to do it when she's about, oh steady darling that was my fault -look at that mouthful +look at that mouthful do you want coffee? oh god who's, who's is the book? @@ -26049,18 +26021,18 @@ no, i said you'll need to finish that before you look at it oh it's a good book though int it, have a look was that dad? -er he's having an extra hour and then he'll be home, what's for tea? -i said i don't know boogie, boogie she dances to any music don't she? +er he's having an extra hour and then he'll be home, what's for tea? +i said i don't know boogie, boogie she dances to any music don't she? ooh i like that bit look at her swing those hips wiggle the hips i told ya it's elvis whey -elvis reincarnated, i tell ya shake, rattle and roll boogie, boogie +elvis reincarnated, i tell ya shake, rattle and roll boogie, boogie you ought to see her face, she's going becky pick your biscuit up twenty four, nearly twenty five dollars, how much is that? -twenty five dollars is it about what fifteen pound, sixteen pounds? +twenty five dollars is it about what fifteen pound, sixteen pounds? it wasn't erm, it wasn't a cheap book it was a good book i might start getting some nice ones, them books tracy'd've loved it out there with their books, what was that one we were looking at with @@ -26075,8 +26047,8 @@ oh yeah, there wasn't that erm gar garden centre, it was on the radio today and who michael jackson? michael jackson he said i really regret, he said i look a right mess becky, becky have you got a face full again? -aargh, no, that's naughty, no bad, you're bad you're bad, mum, mum, mum, mum -it's a horse +aargh, no, that's naughty, no bad, you're bad you're bad, mum, mum, mum, mum +it's a horse a horse horse horse horse, a horse @@ -26086,7 +26058,7 @@ she's growing fast. oh she's not a baby now is she? no! no. -a little girl ! +a little girl ! that's what i said. ah! because er @@ -26099,7 +26071,7 @@ with me so she's, everything up there oh! is mucky! great! -so yeah. +so yeah. are you okay? yeah, i'm fine thanks. how's @@ -26112,7 +26084,7 @@ good! it is. oh that's good! yeah. -i wished i'd have met when i was fifteen ! +i wished i'd have met when i was fifteen ! it's usually er case innit? yeah. you feel you've wasted a lot of years probably @@ -26142,7 +26114,7 @@ yeah! george had no affection in him, i found that out. really? no affection. -now you surprise me cos i would have thought cos you always went round holding hands and looked so happy. +now you surprise me cos i would have thought cos you always went round holding hands and looked so happy. not with george wouldn't have hold your hand. wouldn't have touched you! oh? @@ -26152,11 +26124,11 @@ the most affection you got from george was a pat on head! oh crumbs ! oh no, you see he used to say about people that held hands. -he used to be quite +he used to be quite yeah! about people. oh! -i see +i see yeah! yeah! yeah. @@ -26174,7 +26146,7 @@ well i yeah. thought he's never had affection. no. -people of that age, it's like david's grandma they don't know what affection means. +people of that age, it's like david's grandma they don't know what affection means. no! no! they say we're daft for showing our affection. @@ -26194,7 +26166,7 @@ oh! dennis has got more in his little finger than george yeah. had in his body! -well, i think it's but i mean, we can, i can honestly say never go er past we always tell each other we love each other. +well, i think it's but i mean, we can, i can honestly say never go er past we always tell each other we love each other. yeah! and i think you should. you should! @@ -26216,7 +26188,7 @@ he was a man's man through and through. too much i think so. -i think life's too short, and i think as you're getting older you realize, i mean like losing my mum +i think life's too short, and i think as you're getting older you realize, i mean like losing my mum now he's worse i he's worse now is george, well i should say worse or better, now you see he'll cry now. @@ -26228,13 +26200,13 @@ yeah. yeah. i mean all he can say now is i've messed my life up! yeah! -you know well +you know well yeah. that's it. you know, that's it yeah. there int anything anybody can do. -well we said over there, i bet he's really regretting how it's all turned out didn't i? +well we said over there, i bet he's really regretting how it's all turned out didn't i? yeah. definitely, yeah! i don't know what we @@ -26250,10 +26222,10 @@ you know. he thinks he it's a shame innit? you know, there's nothing you can do. -i mean, to him now all his life is out till half four in the morning blind drunk! +i mean, to him now all his life is out till half four in the morning blind drunk! you can't be a teenager when you're fifty! no you can't love can you? -but, you know don't work. +but, you know don't work. no. and he goes, i mean he went to see my mum and dad before christmas and they didn't recognise him! he's so bloated and, i mean i haven't seen him, i said i've, i've talked to him on the phone. @@ -26272,7 +26244,7 @@ it's not. never mind love. terrible that, eh? yeah. -i in here but +i in here but as long as you're alright. i don't know what's happened, cos she went past the shop this morning so how's she doing? @@ -26287,7 +26259,7 @@ he works in peters next door. i mean, he had all george's things! he had all the ladders were out the van, and he were using all george's tools. oh! -see, her husband takes her shopping on a saturday to asda and and why don't you go, i don't know whether they all been together or what? +see, her husband takes her shopping on a saturday to asda and and why don't you go, i don't know whether they all been together or what? i bet you're just glad you're out of it? yeah. you're glad you're out of it! @@ -26307,7 +26279,7 @@ oh! no. yeah. never mind. -sometimes he'll be in on a monday and he'll say they've broken my ribs and broken my nose! +sometimes he'll be in on a monday and he'll say they've broken my ribs and broken my nose! he doesn't know he's done it, you know. oh! god! @@ -26316,17 +26288,17 @@ poor him! yeah! yeah. oh aye. -what i say, like you say, at fifty you should be settling down. -it was like for i could, couldn't i? +what i say, like you say, at fifty you should be settling down. +it was like for i could, couldn't i? i'd have been worried,could kill himself! yeah. -so tha , i was gonna be catching a weren't i? +so tha , i was gonna be catching a weren't i? you tell me i was. i could have hit him! he's, he's burnt! ah! ah! -you know, and he'd got you, you can't sort of say, don't ever be in touch with me or don't ever or don't ever +you know, and he'd got you, you can't sort of say, don't ever be in touch with me or don't ever or don't ever no. cos he, he says, he says no. @@ -26353,7 +26325,7 @@ it's a good job dennis is good. well dennis has got his , dennis knew him you see. yeah. he didn't know dennis,but dennis knew george ! -so it's quite +so it's quite yeah. funny really. it's a shame about that. @@ -26367,7 +26339,7 @@ tarrah! yeah, she needs somebody she does, yeah. to talk to don't she? -yeah, she can't obviously talk to her husband about it because george is her ex-husband and he +yeah, she can't obviously talk to her husband about it because george is her ex-husband and he yeah. might get yeah. @@ -26378,15 +26350,15 @@ look at all that fish! cor! i hate fish . that will get up trainers. -that stuff that i'm buying from that company cleans trainers. -oh well i yeah i was just thinking he could do with something on them like. +that stuff that i'm buying from that company cleans trainers. +oh well i yeah i was just thinking he could do with something on them like. oh that's nice tracy! right. then you can pay me off if you want. it's alright. with that, and that. oh that's expensive! -eleven ten, and eleven. +eleven ten, and eleven. why don't you get them? thirty quid's just enough. i don't like those. @@ -26395,10 +26367,10 @@ the red ones? what about with a ? no i don't like them. get a ? -no it's not, those erm they're like those leggings it's +no it's not, those erm they're like those leggings it's very comfy then? yeah. -we used to do that when me and anne didn't we? +we used to do that when me and anne didn't we? we always used to have to walk all up london. west end and @@ -26408,7 +26380,7 @@ yes. yeah. that's right. we're getting somewhere. -i don't know lives here. +i don't know lives here. i'm really out of condition! haven't got the age or the inclination. oh ! @@ -26426,7 +26398,7 @@ you got , you got one of them did you? er yeah. the -the the one with the cord round it. +the the one with the cord round it. yes. they're yeah. @@ -26464,10 +26436,10 @@ sort of a , never mind! yeah. there's one thing about it, now we're wro right side of christmas. mm. -they'll be packing on of season, even if it's that's a funny thing. +they'll be packing on of season, even if it's that's a funny thing. i know. yeah. -i think i might have got in erm . +i think i might have got in erm . oh good! that's great! at least that'll be something. @@ -26481,7 +26453,7 @@ full time. full time? yeah. why not! -you wouldn't see me you'll hear her ! +you wouldn't see me you'll hear her ! oh hello! alright? yeah. @@ -26489,7 +26461,7 @@ see you later! see you! mm mm. you alright? -you know annette don't you mum? +you know annette don't you mum? this is the one with the gorgeous voice! oh! hey up! @@ -26497,13 +26469,13 @@ oh that's right! you know sam? you were saying, yeah. yeah. -it's tracy's sister-in-law. +it's tracy's sister-in-law. of course! yeah? yes. yes, of course. married to tracy's big . -big ! +big ! looks like david. yeah. the @@ -26536,8 +26508,8 @@ great! so they're, just about sorted i think. are they? mm. -she came round on tuesday for my hamper money and she said, everything was cos, i said i'd pay her monthly and she turned up and i said, i thought i was paying you monthly? -and she said, that's right you did say, she said i'm all at sixes and sevens she said, and everything's upside down! +she came round on tuesday for my hamper money and she said, everything was cos, i said i'd pay her monthly and she turned up and i said, i thought i was paying you monthly? +and she said, that's right you did say, she said i'm all at sixes and sevens she said, and everything's upside down! she said, she said i don't know whether i'm coming or going! oh! oh oh! @@ -26565,21 +26537,21 @@ oh well! at least i've got a skirt. yeah. well go back and get those other things. -erm well even if i get, well if i get erm ski pants +erm well even if i get, well if i get erm ski pants yeah! well how much will i have spent then? well you've got eighty just spent twenty two pound haven't i? yeah. there. -and erm and the ski pants were twenty five pound so, if i spent twenty two there, and twenty five that's forty seven. -that's a creda a hundred and fifty nine. +and erm and the ski pants were twenty five pound so, if i spent twenty two there, and twenty five that's forty seven. +that's a creda a hundred and fifty nine. well that's alright. that one's the same make. yeah. i like that. yeah. -it's got two bits +it's got two bits but you, you know what ca cos wo he won't be able to repair it will he? this is nice!not gonna go wrong. well it's made in britain, i wonder who makes it? @@ -26590,11 +26562,11 @@ does it look about the same size as my other? yeah. i think they're all standard are they? yeah. -that one's, i think that's a bit wider that one. +that one's, i think that's a bit wider that one. i was gonna say, does that look wider? it's the only one, really, that's all white. all white. -apart from the and that's hundred and seventy. +apart from the and that's hundred and seventy. it's a phillips. but even that isn't really a bad price is it? no. @@ -26603,18 +26575,18 @@ it's the phillips? yeah. that i can get repaired, rather ah! -than just erm, i like, reason i'm going for that one is my washer is very similar looking +than just erm, i like, reason i'm going for that one is my washer is very similar looking yeah. and it and it, you know, it's about the only one that looks anything like it. mm. yeah, well i'm su it's made in the u k isn't it? yeah. yeah. -i mean it's got to be the other, of course will be probably it's a good machine. +i mean it's got to be the other, of course will be probably it's a good machine. it's getting parts and everything yeah. int it? -and then, you can always take out the extra insurance with er, no but it isn't very much for a tumble-drier, for five years and there's no problems that way. +and then, you can always take out the extra insurance with er, no but it isn't very much for a tumble-drier, for five years and there's no problems that way. absolutely none! no. yeah. @@ -26623,7 +26595,7 @@ well what that means is, first of all it's no deposit yeah. free delivery yeah. -and then erm in july, you do you don't have to pay out a ha'penny till july and you can either pay cash and get your sixteen percent off free or you can pay terms from july. +and then erm in july, you do you don't have to pay out a ha'penny till july and you can either pay cash and get your sixteen percent off free or you can pay terms from july. oh! yeah, well i'll probably pay cash, it's just that electric bill's and gas bill's in. yes i know. @@ -26632,7 +26604,7 @@ and i, if i pay cash i wouldn't, you know, yeah. i'm wondering if i'll be a bit short. well, well you can always pay with terms if you want. -but there's nothing to stop you, if you take it out on terms, there's absolutely nothing to stop you coming in and paying, as long as you pay before july, or by july you get +but there's nothing to stop you, if you take it out on terms, there's absolutely nothing to stop you coming in and paying, as long as you pay before july, or by july you get yeah. your sixteen percent off free. but then also you've got, you, if you take it over say, twelve months you've got like a @@ -26641,7 +26613,7 @@ big safety net underneath you if you, if you find that you don't want to pay it yeah. i mean, i know it's sort of the cheapest right. -and maybe, you know, that's not such a good thing, but we were looking at the phillips, erm +and maybe, you know, that's not such a good thing, but we were looking at the phillips, erm mhm. but it's not, like that's got dual heat settings mhm. @@ -26653,7 +26625,7 @@ you get a choice on that one. that's why. yeah. mm. -there's more to be done on that than there is on that, really, cos . +there's more to be done on that than there is on that, really, cos . yeah. mm. probably. @@ -26667,24 +26639,24 @@ if, as she says he's repaired it so many times! oh course! course he does! but that's that one. -i want something that that i can look at that for. -erm yeah can i +i want something that that i can look at that for. +erm yeah can i yeah. go with that one? do you want the insurance on it as well? -erm yeah, may as well. +erm yeah, may as well. yeah alright. if it's, if it's not expensive. hi! -it's about the drier +it's about the drier yeah. with the . right. for this lady. -is it the small or the large crossley +is it the small or the large crossley it's the large one. the large one? -the is it eleven pound load i think it is? +the is it eleven pound load i think it is? it's ten or eleven int it? er, er er er er it's one or the other. @@ -26693,9 +26665,9 @@ yeah. right. that's it, the four double one. and, how did you want to pay? -erm well i'll pay cash but before july. +erm well i'll pay cash but before july. i will pay it in -well i can put it in as cash in july, but you just pay before then, alright? +well i can put it in as cash in july, but you just pay before then, alright? yes. i fancy some sleepers. yeah. @@ -26706,7 +26678,7 @@ i like that! int it nice? that's not is it nice. -expensive, but again, it can't be real. +expensive, but again, it can't be real. look at that bracelet! that three hundred and forty pound one. oh that's nice! @@ -26719,26 +26691,26 @@ i think i like that brooch! oh that's nice isn't it? it is nice. mm. -nothing much, but oh look at the erm things with the brooches! +nothing much, but oh look at the erm things with the brooches! oh int it nice! they're nice! got ages in. yeah. -that'd be nice to get like, for teresa, cos she never did get a +that'd be nice to get like, for teresa, cos she never did get a no. pendant did she? nice coloured one. yeah. like to know though, in case it is anything to do with nigel and then they can get it sorted out. yeah. -yeah cos does that stop now, or does it i mean, is that forever? +yeah cos does that stop now, or does it i mean, is that forever? oh i don't know. ha! -we'll have to we'll have to write to them. +we'll have to we'll have to write to them. just not bothered about cleaning it out. -it doesn't it was so awkward! +it doesn't it was so awkward! yeah! -may maybe if you had one of those erm little rechargeable things that you didn't have to go and round with leads and things, faffing about you could +may maybe if you had one of those erm little rechargeable things that you didn't have to go and round with leads and things, faffing about you could yeah,jus just clean round it? yeah. @@ -26770,7 +26742,7 @@ so you we oh did you? you weren't here. and then when i come back here you weren't here again! -then i had some for the car i thought, go and have a look at tracy. +then i had some for the car i thought, go and have a look at tracy. okay. so da have you had a sandwich? no i @@ -26796,35 +26768,35 @@ alright. hang on! hang on! while i just put my oranges down. -well you've been picking your clothes up are you? +well you've been picking your clothes up are you? ah ! no you're not, we're going. you're going?in the car. well we're going up to unit again. oh! -pay them their wages pick teresa up and then out, and then out to us. +pay them their wages pick teresa up and then out, and then out to us. oh! are so you getting teresa out are you? yeah. -oh well you you can manage then i think +oh well you you can manage then i think yeah. with her then can you? -yeah, cos er it's about time she started again. +yeah, cos er it's about time she started again. go on! come and see your gramps! -i've er,tape it for you tonight. +i've er,tape it for you tonight. oh have you? -i don't know whether you've seen it, i think i told you i think he might like it. +i don't know whether you've seen it, i think i told you i think he might like it. it's about what's that , not that one from last night no. is it? -lone wolf it's called. +lone wolf it's called. oh right. bloody good'un too! -yo you may have seen it, but it's but it's a good'un! +yo you may have seen it, but it's but it's a good'un! what is it? it's, it's the sort of thing you like. bang! @@ -26836,11 +26808,11 @@ fighting! guns! oh! what is it? -i lone wolf it's called and it's all about +i lone wolf it's called and it's all about did you watch that last night on -gun runners a, a tough cop with black beard +gun runners a, a tough cop with black beard oh! -hunting them down, you know wi shot guns and what else! +hunting them down, you know wi shot guns and what else! did you watch, did you watch that last night, granddad, on b b c two about that chemical plant? no i didn't love. oh! @@ -26863,7 +26835,7 @@ by somebody else. yeah, i'll got th for somebody's else's rape. eh? -i got you some so! +i got you some so! yeah. oh! where you going with that? @@ -26872,7 +26844,7 @@ come on! take them with you. come on then! just taking them home. -half of them here and look at her! +half of them here and look at her! oh! oh! bless her! @@ -26906,7 +26878,7 @@ are you going with your bricks? daddy's home tonight granddad! is he coming home? on his way home. -i thought rita would have been here wi i was surprised to do it. +i thought rita would have been here wi i was surprised to do it. well he , well he went on monday and rita's on college on a monday. oh! come on! @@ -26936,7 +26908,7 @@ but she's having to go to work. cos she can't afford to pay she can't afford to have time off. stay off. -and she was gonna, aye trying to do her ironing because she said if she didn't get it done they'd be all next week's as well to do, and i said to tracy what's he doing all day? +and she was gonna, aye trying to do her ironing because she said if she didn't get it done they'd be all next week's as well to do, and i said to tracy what's he doing all day? sat on his arse! he'd do bloody ironing! poor lass! @@ -26966,7 +26938,7 @@ oh stop it! mm. she's not interested with us. ha! -mind her head on that wheel cos it's got some if she gets it her hair won't she ? +mind her head on that wheel cos it's got some if she gets it her hair won't she ? yeah! i should say ! think it will. @@ -26975,7 +26947,7 @@ did, yes. keep waving to granddad. wave! you rogue! -i hate rushing off but should have brought another tape. +i hate rushing off but should have brought another tape. tt! this one runs out appreciate it. @@ -26993,34 +26965,34 @@ woo! great! i didn't ask pat how graham was going home? bet she's, she's quite relieved. -yeah well she was saying other day she's he's never away from her he's a damn nuisance! +yeah well she was saying other day she's he's never away from her he's a damn nuisance! yeah. -well it's bound to me, he must get fed up, but eh, he don't really want a job like, full time, he wants to be able to he gets fed up of it being full time after a while. +well it's bound to me, he must get fed up, but eh, he don't really want a job like, full time, he wants to be able to he gets fed up of it being full time after a while. yeah. -it's no good for, let's face it like cos i'm gonna have to start er +it's no good for, let's face it like cos i'm gonna have to start er no. it's a pity he couldn't stick to something like that cos i mean ex-policemen can get jobs like that no trouble can't they? -and i mean, somewhere like asda is a better place to work than most. +and i mean, somewhere like asda is a better place to work than most. aren't you coming in today? no. mm. -no, i suppose, in a way, he's lucky because he'd, he'd probably just be able to get a job anywhere really just as security. +no, i suppose, in a way, he's lucky because he'd, he'd probably just be able to get a job anywhere really just as security. yeah. -well i've just seen did you cotton on to that, it's not just me? -you know julie that had sebastian +well i've just seen did you cotton on to that, it's not just me? +you know julie that had sebastian aye cos , that baby yeah. -i've just seen her going that way, and i've just seen skinny mick that she used to go out with a she had baby to, coming this way. +i've just seen her going that way, and i've just seen skinny mick that she used to go out with a she had baby to, coming this way. i don't really know her that well. i didn't think, i thought they hated the sight of each other. -i hope sarah wouldn't expect julie to stay any later would she? -with her driving the i never thought of that. +i hope sarah wouldn't expect julie to stay any later would she? +with her driving the i never thought of that. gary , is he, is he the other brother? yeah. she sleeps with gary. yeah. -and how many has peter got? +and how many has peter got? just the two, or three? i don't know, tracy. i dunno. @@ -27030,7 +27002,7 @@ has he? peter's alright. have you met him? yeah, he was in this morning. -he's works down at in tra trailer place. +he's works down at in tra trailer place. oh teres is teresa's the wo the one that teresa said he's al he's a bit of alright? or, is that not him? no. @@ -27040,26 +27012,26 @@ the other one. no, it will be. teresa thinks he's alright, but i think he's . he's got long hair! -and he's er could be a right slob! +and he's er could be a right slob! what's the other one called? the other well as far as i know erm peter and james, but james is the eleven year old -there's another one that works at erm down at a trailer place, is that gary's son? +there's another one that works at erm down at a trailer place, is that gary's son? must be gary's son she thinks is okay. -one's got curly longish curly hair, is quite broad built. -i don't know if it's gary's son mark, he's about sixteen +one's got curly longish curly hair, is quite broad built. +i don't know if it's gary's son mark, he's about sixteen does he live er in a flat on sandylands peter. -i don't think we, we might . +i don't think we, we might . yeah. quite possibly. well, i bet daddy's on his way home now. sarah's going quite , int she really,? yeah. yeah she has. -i wonder if it's that every day ? +i wonder if it's that every day ? i would, i would think so. oh no! she used to be head stable girl didn't she? @@ -27067,7 +27039,7 @@ when his wife were there. oh! did she? yeah. -but i would imagine that's what she wants to train teresa up for, so she can just run it and she can sort of +but i would imagine that's what she wants to train teresa up for, so she can just run it and she can sort of well that's fair enough so she can . well yeah. what? @@ -27075,9 +27047,9 @@ there's john. did he ask you about steam cleaner? no. not at all. -he was coming in of a about a fortnight ago, we were just pulling away and he said to teresa are you still doing? +he was coming in of a about a fortnight ago, we were just pulling away and he said to teresa are you still doing? and she said yeah. -he says, oh he said when you see your sister will you ask her about steam cleaner? +he says, oh he said when you see your sister will you ask her about steam cleaner? and we said, oh she's in now! go and see her. he didn't come in then? @@ -27094,7 +27066,7 @@ yeah. cos van's not going back in morning. yeah. cos it's friday innit? -well we should in time for tonight. +well we should in time for tonight. yeah. i wonder if it'd worked out tomorrow? had philip called ? @@ -27105,7 +27077,7 @@ yeah! oh! they've been in touch and they said everything's going through, it's oh great! -d'ya need any money to set up? +d'ya need any money to set up? no. ah! what? @@ -27126,13 +27098,13 @@ go, go and see granddad! go see granddad! this way. here he is. -it's not hiya. +it's not hiya. what's the matter? what are the ser terms? thirty days. but they're not paying thirty days. i've just explained that to him. -and he said he didn't know that, that he would get hold of sen and ring me first thing, thing in the morning er, to tell me why sen hasn't paid. +and he said he didn't know that, that he would get hold of sen and ring me first thing, thing in the morning er, to tell me why sen hasn't paid. he's got the invoice and everything. i said well you've sent us twenty thou i said there is no v a t on it which it should be! deary me! @@ -27148,20 +27120,20 @@ i said we couldn't survive like that. and he said, well would you like to carry on with the contract? i said we're too far committed now to, i says to back out. i said, you know, we can't back out at this stage. -and i said, but i said if there isn't the payments of the invoice when they are sent then you know, we've go you've gotta look at it. +and i said, but i said if there isn't the payments of the invoice when they are sent then you know, we've go you've gotta look at it. so that invoice wants doing. yeah. it wants doing and sending, and put in i put twenty eight days on. yeah. -had to be paid, it can't be paid by the twenty eighth it's er you know well if i could've got hold of david or er, andrew , i was gonna give andrew a right bollocking for just pushing it in and he should've sent it to er, michael , michael 's just got it shoved in front of his nose a in edinburgh. -he's just gone in to see if everything's alright at edinburgh and of course, that's why he's had to report for that. +had to be paid, it can't be paid by the twenty eighth it's er you know well if i could've got hold of david or er, andrew , i was gonna give andrew a right bollocking for just pushing it in and he should've sent it to er, michael , michael 's just got it shoved in front of his nose a in edinburgh. +he's just gone in to see if everything's alright at edinburgh and of course, that's why he's had to report for that. which was fair play to him, but bloody andrew should have told him! it's agreed, the system of stage payments, it's all written to him. and you've just spoken to him have you? i've just spoken to michael . michael's great! -and you, you so he understands after he's sent you this? +and you, you so he understands after he's sent you this? what? what's going on. yeah. @@ -27170,7 +27142,7 @@ mm. i said i've got an invoice outstanding for october, and i said i can't afford to do that! he said, i realize that. then he said, we wou want you to do that work he said, because you've got a good reputation. -it makes, you know, if we we're not gonna go bust just to get twelve months bloody work out of him on a service contract! +it makes, you know, if we we're not gonna go bust just to get twelve months bloody work out of him on a service contract! you know, but i if we couldn't, if they we as they said, if they wanted that money back tomorrow we could only give them half that money back because of what we've got mm. er, you know, but, we might as well just say to everybody, david, geoff, ian @@ -27189,7 +27161,7 @@ no! i've been ringing him since that come through half an hour ago. tt! see i hoped wi david to ring me before half past three before he sets off, and he hasn't done yet. -i've more need to get hold of davi er to get andrew and er because he's at mill hill with sa with steve and er nigel. +i've more need to get hold of davi er to get andrew and er because he's at mill hill with sa with steve and er nigel. we're not shouting at you. no,. . go on then. @@ -27212,15 +27184,15 @@ cos we can always drop them in the shit! no doubt about that. only thing yeah but -i need to do is when lifted the coaches and take the axles out is just er pull my men out. -cos i'm certainly not holding back on bloody er jobs now, gotta get charged . -have to send them an extra invoice for this extra our time. +i need to do is when lifted the coaches and take the axles out is just er pull my men out. +cos i'm certainly not holding back on bloody er jobs now, gotta get charged . +have to send them an extra invoice for this extra our time. ! oh yeah! bingo! good afternoon! it's neil at lancaster and carriage and wagon. -how's how's my parts? +how's how's my parts? okay. i'll pick them up, if i don't pick them up tonight i'll get them first thing in the morning. because i've got a load more coming down for you. @@ -27234,22 +27206,22 @@ we just belonged to us tha well all that was said was, really, they had twenty eight days to pay. yeah. -and if they didn't pay within them twenty eight days or +and if they didn't pay within them twenty eight days or what i've gotta let them before the -know is really, and it's in the file, if they do pay up at the last we've just gotta get +know is really, and it's in the file, if they do pay up at the last we've just gotta get yeah, but that's what they said that th the conditions of contracts that we sent, they don't agree with. that's what they're saying. -well really, what did we put on that they can't agree with? +well really, what did we put on that they can't agree with? th th different yeah they've already put invoices paid thirty days. thirty days. that's what we put, twenty eight days. yeah. the only other thing that we put is that i thought she were gonna throw up then. -that erm when the contract's finished, if they don't pay up within a certain date +that erm when the contract's finished, if they don't pay up within a certain date oh! -that we can go and take the stuff back that we've brought. +that we can go and take the stuff back that we've brought. yeah. well go and find him then! go and find granddad. @@ -27263,7 +27235,7 @@ no. come on then. we'll go and get back into the car. go and pick them shoes up and then go to . -does this mean now a retention of significant capital works out at ten percent? +does this mean now a retention of significant capital works out at ten percent? i don't know. i don't like this bit either. summat a all to be carried out in a much better spirit and both parties were pleased with the result. @@ -27280,19 +27252,19 @@ see you later ! tarrah! see you richard ! see you ! -see, you see it's okay this guy being funny like that but we er we, i think we've got every right to be d'ya mean if we hadn't actually have been starting the work, heaven knows how long it would have been before we'd actually got the invoices paid! -nigel must have got his money through else cos he was er on the train yesterday wasn't he? +see, you see it's okay this guy being funny like that but we er we, i think we've got every right to be d'ya mean if we hadn't actually have been starting the work, heaven knows how long it would have been before we'd actually got the invoices paid! +nigel must have got his money through else cos he was er on the train yesterday wasn't he? i think they heard you state, say how is steven and no, they haven't given it to him. they haven't? -no, he's erm that's what erm andrew's er was meeting with er the chairman for this morning. +no, he's erm that's what erm andrew's er was meeting with er the chairman for this morning. oh! andrew's actually having a meeting with him is he? sorry! is that me? -yeah, he's going up on, to the today. -do you think he's gonna go even more berserk when andrew tells him they've changed the two nights accommodations? +yeah, he's going up on, to the today. +do you think he's gonna go even more berserk when andrew tells him they've changed the two nights accommodations? no. yeah. i hope not, for them. @@ -27303,15 +27275,15 @@ yeah. i want to see the receipt. can you dig that receipt out for me this morning? i've got it! -but harringtons. +but harringtons. the harringtons one? yeah. i want to put back in my pocket. it's that total i want. yeah. -did you have a word with angela about p forty fives? +did you have a word with angela about p forty fives? no, cos i thought you were going in friday. -no, i +no, i erm i'm going today actually. monday. @@ -27337,14 +27309,14 @@ i'm getting the hang of it here! ! ah! don't kick rebecca! -anybody got any idea of the number? +anybody got any idea of the number? eh? telephone number of counter? ? no that's tracey . no. hang on. -it's double double summat, hang on, double summat +it's double double summat, hang on, double summat int it funny how typical! yeah, i'll have to look it up, yeah. @@ -27391,9 +27363,9 @@ oh did you? yeah. going back to her car but oh! -alan was likely in for a treat ? +alan was likely in for a treat ? was he? -actually, we'd had erm er clive in yesterday hadn't we? +actually, we'd had erm er clive in yesterday hadn't we? and he was saying who? to neil, clive. @@ -27401,11 +27373,11 @@ er ah! yeah. aye. -and he was saying to neil that erm they don't know whether they're gonna keep him on or not +and he was saying to neil that erm they don't know whether they're gonna keep him on or not and it's a shame because he's, he's a grafter, you know? yeah, he is. -the only thing is he he needs educating. -you know, he hasn't been shown. +the only thing is he he needs educating. +you know, he hasn't been shown. he's not been taught. he's just been oh he hasn't! @@ -27414,7 +27386,7 @@ no. he's never been yeah, it's a shame innit? you're on. -i think i switching hands i didn't like that one. +i think i switching hands i didn't like that one. what you doing? that last one? yeah, still not playing . @@ -27428,7 +27400,7 @@ go see granddad. go see granddad. what th granddad's doing. let's look. -let's look down here. +let's look down here. ooh! steady! what's he doing? @@ -27438,16 +27410,16 @@ go on and give him a kiss. what you gonna play? he's down there. neil. -go past that, then there's one or two ne ne newish buildings and then you come up to a spot where you drive in and you go up or over the concrete, that's norblast +go past that, then there's one or two ne ne newish buildings and then you come up to a spot where you drive in and you go up or over the concrete, that's norblast yeah. -well as you're facing it's sign and print shop or print shop +well as you're facing it's sign and print shop or print shop mm. it's the sign writing shop, well it's actually -norblast that's on your left, it's got a, a big glass erm like an office there that they don't use, you +norblast that's on your left, it's got a, a big glass erm like an office there that they don't use, you yeah. can either go through that door or pull sliding to. -i'll look,check out for this you know. -angela just said to just alter it on the p forty five, but +i'll look,check out for this you know. +angela just said to just alter it on the p forty five, but she's got to do it . well, well that's what i said, but she says can i not just alter it and leave it at that? what to, to different week? @@ -27459,18 +27431,18 @@ it won't tally with her. er she, was she on her own? did she sound like she was it didn't sound like it, no. -so i don't know. -i'll pu i'll nip down to see pat and ask pat what she thinks i should do. -what do you think of them racquets, richard? +so i don't know. +i'll pu i'll nip down to see pat and ask pat what she thinks i should do. +what do you think of them racquets, richard? which racquets? th the racquets, i know. no not yet, no. no. -just get these +just get these right i'll make this cheque out. just the amount that's on this? yeah. -this +this where you going? you escaping? after the one off victory! @@ -27485,7 +27457,7 @@ there was none was there? there was! there wasn't. for last wednesday. -that was week before wi er, that was we paid him last that that you've got written down there we've paid him that. +that was week before wi er, that was we paid him last that that you've got written down there we've paid him that. it was last week, they had normal week didn't they? no we went to peterborough, two of us, three of us didn't we? that was week before. @@ -27494,7 +27466,7 @@ no, one. two. oh well they've only, nobody's complained. there's been two weeks with overtime. -cos richard and su er alan had seven hours last week when we went to er peterborough. +cos richard and su er alan had seven hours last week when we went to er peterborough. oh! i didn't and it was the week before that we went to @@ -27503,10 +27475,10 @@ yeah it fathom out it was the week before that we went to er well i don't know. -if it's not written down i don't know when they've had or what they've had, you'll have to write it down and put a date on it. -and then, when i know what i'm doing, i thought that they'd just had that. +if it's not written down i don't know when they've had or what they've had, you'll have to write it down and put a date on it. +and then, when i know what i'm doing, i thought that they'd just had that. no. -well leave that there. +well leave that there. okay. where are you going? you going over there? @@ -27528,13 +27500,13 @@ and it'll be in the post today. po post . no, no doubt about it. and he said he's telling him point blank that he's, if there's any problems with invoices or anything, you have to deal with andrew, he has to come back to me and deal with me direct! -so he's realized how long you've been waiting? +so he's realized how long you've been waiting? yeah. -and he said, it's not on, he said what he, he said er getting the money he said we've got a lot of money in american bank and he said and getting that back it's just a pain in the arse! +and he said, it's not on, he said what he, he said er getting the money he said we've got a lot of money in american bank and he said and getting that back it's just a pain in the arse! it's a bloody nuisance! and it's not often michael swears. and, he said it's a bloody nuisance! -he said, but he said it doesn't give us the excuse of not paying the invoices on time, and he said erm i have warned him for it this morning and he said he will process it, and he said the cheque will be in the post here on monday. +he said, but he said it doesn't give us the excuse of not paying the invoices on time, and he said erm i have warned him for it this morning and he said he will process it, and he said the cheque will be in the post here on monday. well he told you twenty four hours didn't he? forty eight hours. forty eight hours. @@ -27562,13 +27534,13 @@ no. he's he's got that and he's bound to get his earache what? can i have one? -he's bound to get an earache er, this morning because ma er, andrew's gonna give him one and if nigel and er and steve see him, they'll give him one because their outstanding invoice. +he's bound to get an earache er, this morning because ma er, andrew's gonna give him one and if nigel and er and steve see him, they'll give him one because their outstanding invoice. yeah. we need some steel for them hanging graphics. -yes i know, but we're not er we won't fiddle about with them until we get well on to the way because if we do that now we gotta take the welder up, you've only gotta cut them off again because they're in the way for the rest of the bloody coaches. +yes i know, but we're not er we won't fiddle about with them until we get well on to the way because if we do that now we gotta take the welder up, you've only gotta cut them off again because they're in the way for the rest of the bloody coaches. yeah. and that's what they've been cut off for. -yeah, but the thing is i we can get the steel er and make them up but we don't have to put them on till later. +yeah, but the thing is i we can get the steel er and make them up but we don't have to put them on till later. yep. is there a stubbler no. @@ -27584,7 +27556,7 @@ we welded. come on . geoff! geoff! -i've spoken to angela and angela said, just alter the week numbers on the, on your p forty five, but as i've just said to neil if i do that, that is gonna throw it out for year end when i give you yo your green slip. +i've spoken to angela and angela said, just alter the week numbers on the, on your p forty five, but as i've just said to neil if i do that, that is gonna throw it out for year end when i give you yo your green slip. on angela's side, not my side. yeah. what numbers have i got? @@ -27595,24 +27567,24 @@ but i she carried on from pat . yeah. yeah she knows. -well only thing, the only thing you can do if you got any p forty fives? +well only thing, the only thing you can do if you got any p forty fives? i have. yeah. -well just write another one out and check the numbers on it you know,and send that. +well just write another one out and check the numbers on it you know,and send that. and send that. yeah. that'll be easiest thing to do. -messing about with +messing about with or do we have to no problem. yeah. cos if there's any handwriting on it, i'll forge it for you! -it's just ridiculo i mean, she wants to write that down really i'm, i +it's just ridiculo i mean, she wants to write that down really i'm, i i think it's because the her hands tied behind her back. yeah. i know what's happening down there. i tell you! -i've gotta go down and see them anyway. +i've gotta go down and see them anyway. yeah. but , i mean, well you can do that anyway, just sort of make a co write a yeah just @@ -27622,21 +27594,21 @@ yeah. yeah. right. i'll get on with this then. -erm she makes erm get him to make you a new bag look. +erm she makes erm get him to make you a new bag look. oh oh! are you what? are you coming? she , it wouldn't be bad if she'd sit in there. i don't know whether to take her home or -i want my er if you're going back for dinner, i want my camera and my film. +i want my er if you're going back for dinner, i want my camera and my film. there's my there's a black film somewhere kicking about. in a new one, in a box. and i want my camera to get a photograph of this when we get it outside. okay. right. -so you feel happier now you've spoken to him this morning? +so you feel happier now you've spoken to him this morning? yeah. yeah. what? @@ -27651,9 +27623,9 @@ it's on that side as well. there. i mean for him to ring you back and speak to you,i i he, he's been concerned about it as well. yeah. -he's probably walked in and seen that and thought, i'm not having this and when he sat down and thought about it, like we've done +he's probably walked in and seen that and thought, i'm not having this and when he sat down and thought about it, like we've done yeah. -it's erm i wonder if he's spok if he's got andrew with him now? +it's erm i wonder if he's spok if he's got andrew with him now? no, he's int office. don't forget the film. it's just that i don't want erm @@ -27704,7 +27676,7 @@ she's dead hard work! she won't be picked up or she's enjoying wandering round now. yeah. -trouble is it's you know i worry +trouble is it's you know i worry about her being, getting in yeah i know. enjoying them crisps! @@ -27713,48 +27685,48 @@ what do you think next step should be neil? do you think solicitor or no. i think we ought to go and talk to them first and exp you know, put our side forward and if they don't want to play then, then you have a solicitor. -but really, you already have. -because you, neil's already spoken to them about how late th the thing was coming in the first place no and they've just ignored it! +but really, you already have. +because you, neil's already spoken to them about how late th the thing was coming in the first place no and they've just ignored it! well there's no harm in having one last try is there? oi! no! what you doing? trouble is that -well if they owe us money and stuff like that, we might have to be going to court in the end with it but the only trouble is, we're losing that much bloody time taking a day off and going down there! +well if they owe us money and stuff like that, we might have to be going to court in the end with it but the only trouble is, we're losing that much bloody time taking a day off and going down there! yeah. this is it, you've hardly time. -well that's what i say if you go down on er sunday, but they won't be there, we'll have to make a organize a . +well that's what i say if you go down on er sunday, but they won't be there, we'll have to make a organize a . what? aye, they're a bloody nuisance! rebecca! you just get sick of problems don't you? -it's just seems +it's just seems well they tend to come in batches don't they? you know yeah. we have a quiet period for a while and then all of a sudden they all crop up together. i mean, at least, the one -and you, you stand there at end of day and think well is it our fault or what? +and you, you stand there at end of day and think well is it our fault or what? yeah. -, we won't be dealing with anybody else for a while, i can tell you . +, we won't be dealing with anybody else for a while, i can tell you . aye. well it makes you wonder mind you, if you look at it like, like . -yeah, but if, should we say well we acc we'll accept half of it and and +yeah, but if, should we say well we acc we'll accept half of it and and no! -it's we, we shouldn't accept anything that you know, we, we don't think's correct! +it's we, we shouldn't accept anything that you know, we, we don't think's correct! in fact, we know it's not correct. -yeah but they might say, well alright then, and then pay out and as it is we're gonna have a lot of messing about haven't we? -anyway, i'll get in touch with mike and see if er -he's heard from insurance people for cos i've already asked mike +yeah but they might say, well alright then, and then pay out and as it is we're gonna have a lot of messing about haven't we? +anyway, i'll get in touch with mike and see if er +he's heard from insurance people for cos i've already asked mike but ? -he said he'll ta no, to court if it goes to court cos the insurance we've got out. +he said he'll ta no, to court if it goes to court cos the insurance we've got out. oh right. see if they'll pay it, he was gonna get back to me today. -and then we can go to mrs , and let mrs write a letter. +and then we can go to mrs , and let mrs write a letter. oh! -her mum's still in manchester . -some of it you can't keep int office and +her mum's still in manchester . +some of it you can't keep int office and right! can you put kettle on richard? i will do. @@ -27763,7 +27735,7 @@ let's look at your trousers. look at the state of you! your mum is going to do her nut! look at your coat! -let's let's take this off first and brush this. +let's let's take this off first and brush this. let's have this first. can daddy have his keys? no? @@ -27805,24 +27777,24 @@ that's you! what? what's all this lot? yes. -you go on your and get down there with that lot. +you go on your and get down there with that lot. oh i see. they'll give you hand to lift it out. oh right -er and they'll probably put it on a pallet anyway, they normally do. +er and they'll probably put it on a pallet anyway, they normally do. ah! what have you got now? -i'll just go and get er oh do you want my crisps now do you? +i'll just go and get er oh do you want my crisps now do you? now you've scoffed your own! thank you. mm. i see! yeah. what? -hey i've told you, you're not to take that from the w d and all! +hey i've told you, you're not to take that from the w d and all! no you didn't. yeah i did. -i said fill your er pots up. +i said fill your er pots up. give you a load of bloody pots and you take it off and we're standing around looking for it! ah. you've not even made him a potful. @@ -27861,7 +27833,7 @@ this trailer will be ready for pick up about three. if it's possible? great! yeah i er, just depends when you wanna do it. -er er, at the end of the month. +er er, at the end of the month. right. great stuff! ah! @@ -27875,15 +27847,15 @@ that's got nuts in ain't it? yeah. alright. grand! -erm, i'm being nosey now you've got a box, er, horse box behind your building a blue one it's a double wheeler horse box,i is it yours or is it for sale? +erm, i'm being nosey now you've got a box, er, horse box behind your building a blue one it's a double wheeler horse box,i is it yours or is it for sale? yeah. no. right. -no i bought one for teresa but er, when it, the chap saw it to collect it he come wi he come in and he said er you don't know where there's another one? +no i bought one for teresa but er, when it, the chap saw it to collect it he come wi he come in and he said er you don't know where there's another one? and of course, when i was down there sunday, i turned round there and i said er, and he came in last night, again, he said you don't wanna sell it? i said, i don't. -er and he said i'm after one for my horse. -i said, well i said er i'll ask peter, i know there is one down there but whether it's for sale or not, i said i'll be cheeky this morning and ask him. +er and he said i'm after one for my horse. +i said, well i said er i'll ask peter, i know there is one down there but whether it's for sale or not, i said i'll be cheeky this morning and ask him. alright. i'll what's that? @@ -27901,9 +27873,9 @@ yeah. well they have a worm inside don't they? well this one of mine, i had a good deal with this one. they have a crab. -erm about +erm about a crab is it? -i got it in erm a shop with . +i got it in erm a shop with . no it won't be. might be a a sea urchin. @@ -27911,13 +27883,13 @@ and he came in with yeah. and took the job that was supposed to go into south africa. look at the colour of my coat with becky's shoes! -and also keep that for and take that +and also keep that for and take that have you seen that, look? and use it as a big horsebox. and, it's madam's shoes! it is! -and then of course, he spotted it and he come er come winging in! +and then of course, he spotted it and he come er come winging in! yeah. what? looks like you. @@ -27925,7 +27897,7 @@ yeah, that's right. like you. right. th the borford ones, have they got bigger than the standard? -it must be an a, because he, he, he, he said he'd got chance of one but it did whacking great six inch er sixteen inch wheels on! +it must be an a, because he, he, he, he said he'd got chance of one but it did whacking great six inch er sixteen inch wheels on! i said, what? i said . yeah. @@ -27961,19 +27933,19 @@ ah! just had a thought oh! are you staying here with annette? -are you staying with me? +are you staying with me? or you coming for a ride? d'ya think she'll be alright? i dunno. -she must int car seat. +she must int car seat. well see. it's just when you get out and on road int it? -that you shouldn't have any trouble though. +that you shouldn't have any trouble though. she'll sit there and watch won't she, while you are you gonna put your coat on? are you coming for a ride with daddy? good girl! -first time she's ever put it on without whingeing! +first time she's ever put it on without whingeing! oh i know! i know! let's have this other sleeve. @@ -27986,7 +27958,7 @@ ah! hold that with that hand. that's it. oh i see. -do you want me to put her car seat in van? +do you want me to put her car seat in van? yeah, please. i've gotta go up to. right. @@ -27996,7 +27968,7 @@ that one? it's nice! they've changed the advert in the steam world magazine and put end of that in. yeah. -we're talking about your one outside. +we're talking about your one outside. we're talking about your one outside. oh! that one? @@ -28026,8 +27998,8 @@ you get about all over the place! a bit then? have you got pen and paper with you? -and cumbria for dixons. -so like it's a massive area now. +and cumbria for dixons. +so like it's a massive area now. yeah. have you got any pen and paper? i'll get @@ -28041,8 +28013,8 @@ box section. ten by eights? yeah. very good! -and i want some erm the cheapest meshing, but i don't want big meshing. -i want a price because we're still waiting to hear from er . +and i want some erm the cheapest meshing, but i don't want big meshing. +i want a price because we're still waiting to hear from er . oh! look at that! isn't it straight? @@ -28050,7 +28022,7 @@ look at that! it's come out. oh! i've got someone coming . -yeah, it's funny, usually find with joiners i don't know,i they're supposed to have a good eye for strai +yeah, it's funny, usually find with joiners i don't know,i they're supposed to have a good eye for strai yeah. but they haven't! i know. @@ -28060,11 +28032,11 @@ yeah. yeah. and i, well i,he didn't get here till about half past ten! but -put a nail in put something like that that's about right no, actually it's not . +put a nail in put something like that that's about right no, actually it's not . is it just held on with like, a couple of nails or yeah. yeah? -then it's put on top. +then it's put on top. won't get that back from . right. i'll see if i can @@ -28072,14 +28044,14 @@ was it? down there. mm. that was -i'm going to put it out there where they won't +i'm going to put it out there where they won't mm. no you've done mm. you've done very well! haven't you really? -your first your first year. -yeah we did well but erm we shouldn't have like, you learn by your mistakes, but we we kind of made profit and we shouldn't of done +your first your first year. +yeah we did well but erm we shouldn't have like, you learn by your mistakes, but we we kind of made profit and we shouldn't of done yeah. erm, and now the tax man has hammered us so hard yeah. @@ -28089,81 +28061,81 @@ yeah. and we're really having to struggle to sort of make ends meet. yeah. i know what you mean. -you it's a diffi it's difficult +you it's a diffi it's difficult it's wrong int it? just striking up that balance int it? yeah. isn't it really? -and of course, now they when we originally moved in here we asked about the rates and they said oh they co they wouldn't raise it because it was an unfinished project +and of course, now they when we originally moved in here we asked about the rates and they said oh they co they wouldn't raise it because it was an unfinished project yeah. and nobody had paid rates, and they wouldn't pay rates until they'd actually finished building on the land opposite. yeah. -anyway, when the accountant came in to do the books he said er, oh he said you've got to pay something. +anyway, when the accountant came in to do the books he said er, oh he said you've got to pay something. so he said, i'll get onto them myself. anyway, apparently, he was told exactly the same thing as i was told yeah. but of course, it had kind of stirred up a hornets' nest! next thing they were down with the measuring up and we'd just got a four thousand pound rate bill! -and, they've actually rated it at ten and a half thousand erm payable +and, they've actually rated it at ten and a half thousand erm payable yeah. three thousand eight, and of course, well neil said there's v a t, i didn't think you had to pay v a t on rates? i didn't, i didn't, you know, i don't you know? yeah. -er anyway so tha that's sort of you know, made +er anyway so tha that's sort of you know, made mm. a big difference. that's suddenly four thousand a year we've to find. yeah. i mean, if, it's crippling us is this place! yeah. -if it wasn't for this we could be it would be quite good. +if it wasn't for this we could be it would be quite good. yeah. yeah. but what can you do, there's nothing else about? -no it's that's it. -and a lot of businesses up and down are er are in a bad way, really. +no it's that's it. +and a lot of businesses up and down are er are in a bad way, really. yeah. -some very sailing very close to the wind. +some very sailing very close to the wind. yeah. they're all finding it hard aren't they? -well, there's less and less work and the work that does seem to be about is that competitively priced that +well, there's less and less work and the work that does seem to be about is that competitively priced that yeah. you know, it's negible whether you can make anything even if yeah. you get the work. yeah. -and then of course er money is floating round very quickly. +and then of course er money is floating round very quickly. no. no. -i er, in fact, we, yeah, we just had a problem yesterday, we started work for the royal scotsman and erm well we started work for them, like last year and we've been doing jobs +i er, in fact, we, yeah, we just had a problem yesterday, we started work for the royal scotsman and erm well we started work for them, like last year and we've been doing jobs yeah. and we've had invoices outstanding since october. yeah. -so neil said, well these invoices weren't forthcoming, so i said to them, the thing, the thing is, if we start work and we buy a load of equipment how are we gonna sort of, how long's the cheque gonna, gonna be coming in, you know. +so neil said, well these invoices weren't forthcoming, so i said to them, the thing, the thing is, if we start work and we buy a load of equipment how are we gonna sort of, how long's the cheque gonna, gonna be coming in, you know. and you have to fund it. so we asked for twenty thousand pound upfront. tt! so, anyway, and they said, and before we wi we get this twenty thousand we also want the ou october's invoices clearing up as well. -so, that was great. -anyway, we've waited and waited we've rung and we've rung! +so, that was great. +anyway, we've waited and waited we've rung and we've rung! eventually a cheque came, instead of being like, for six thousands er, nearly seven thousand it came for four! yeah. erm, the twenty thousand eventually arrived, no v a t. you know yes. and all this sort of things. -so, of course, we were getting a little bit panicky cos what's worrying me, and it still worries me again we've put all this time and effort in they may pay us alright, we've got this twenty, they may pay us a second payment, but are they gonna pay up on the third? +so, of course, we were getting a little bit panicky cos what's worrying me, and it still worries me again we've put all this time and effort in they may pay us alright, we've got this twenty, they may pay us a second payment, but are they gonna pay up on the third? well tha that's always the catch isn't it? you know? the last one. yeah. -so we actually wrote down erm th the equipment that we were buying was ours until paid for in full. +so we actually wrote down erm th the equipment that we were buying was ours until paid for in full. yeah. by them. yeah. and we sent this letter up to them. -well we've had their director on the phone, phone yesterday and more or less demanded his twenty thousand back +well we've had their director on the phone, phone yesterday and more or less demanded his twenty thousand back yeah. and, if you don't want the work we'll take it elsewhere and all this. mm. @@ -28172,13 +28144,13 @@ puts you off doesn't it? well i mean, what on earth do you do? yeah. very difficult isn't it? -you just well ne both neil and i have sort of felt well, to be quite honest it isn't worth it. +you just well ne both neil and i have sort of felt well, to be quite honest it isn't worth it. yeah. -for what you make at the end of the day on, on somebody's +for what you make at the end of the day on, on somebody's no it's not worth it. it yeah. -well it, the running the business isn't i don't think because by the time the tax man's hammered you +well it, the running the business isn't i don't think because by the time the tax man's hammered you yeah. you know, the v a t man wants his money, i mean the v a t man's been paid for all these invoices yeah. @@ -28196,17 +28168,17 @@ yeah. even if you've not got paid. yeah. exactly! -erm mm, i don't know whether there's any way round it but that's sort of the set up that they gave us when we started and i guess i'll have to sort of conform to that, but it +erm mm, i don't know whether there's any way round it but that's sort of the set up that they gave us when we started and i guess i'll have to sort of conform to that, but it yeah. does seem unfair. yeah. that's right. -i mean now there's a couple of people quibbling about actually paying at the that we did. +i mean now there's a couple of people quibbling about actually paying at the that we did. yeah. there's still six hundred and odd pound outstanding. -erm i can't honestly see us ever getting that. +erm i can't honestly see us ever getting that. yeah. -erm the funiculars they're quibbling about the final payment. +erm the funiculars they're quibbling about the final payment. yeah. about them being late and everything else. er, you know, it's just a, and i've paid for that and that and @@ -28220,33 +28192,33 @@ yeah. er, equipment coming in late, er yeah. you know, i mean -they don't seem to want to know though. -i mean, neil's tried to explain to them that, they were late with drawings and everything else, it put us way behind in the beginning. +they don't seem to want to know though. +i mean, neil's tried to explain to them that, they were late with drawings and everything else, it put us way behind in the beginning. yeah. but all, you know, they've just not listened to him! yeah. so yeah. i guess it'll -it's er stal stalling they're +it's er stal stalling they're yeah. cos that's all it's doing innit? yeah. -well solicitor said she, it sounded to her as if there's something more to it. +well solicitor said she, it sounded to her as if there's something more to it. maybe they don't have the money. yeah. yeah. and they're stalling all the time. yeah. yeah. -but erm you see, they suggested going down for a meeting he's up to his eyes in it! +but erm you see, they suggested going down for a meeting he's up to his eyes in it! yeah. and yeah. he can't honestly spare time to go down there it's costing you money isn't it? well yeah -and chase your own what's due to +and chase your own what's due to yeah. you. that's, that's the . @@ -28254,7 +28226,7 @@ and we know you're gonna have an argument. so is it worth it? yeah. yeah. -i, i, i personally feel that give it to solicitor and let her deal with it, because +i, i, i personally feel that give it to solicitor and let her deal with it, because yeah. yeah. just not worth the hassle. @@ -28262,7 +28234,7 @@ alright yeah. that's gonna cost yeah. -but, but i mean you can only make it worse by like you say, you're wasting your own time and money +but, but i mean you can only make it worse by like you say, you're wasting your own time and money yeah. you're not gonna get anywhere! yeah. @@ -28284,44 +28256,44 @@ yeah. business. ever more. yeah. -you just i,th all this bumph about sort of trying to help small businesses and, things like that, they do nothing! +you just i,th all this bumph about sort of trying to help small businesses and, things like that, they do nothing! no. no i know that. they do nothing at all! yeah. -no it's er as you say, all, all the cards are stacked i in +no it's er as you say, all, all the cards are stacked i in yeah. such a way that it makes it ever more difficult. yeah. -the trouble is, see you know, you've nobody you can go to, you, you've nobody that sort of will listen to +the trouble is, see you know, you've nobody you can go to, you, you've nobody that sort of will listen to yeah. to all this and do something about it higher up. yeah. i mean they just keep hammering and hammering and more and more are going out of business. yeah. -alright,th the saying in the paper, they're talking about stopping these big companies, keeping these little companies waiting there could be something they can do about that, but how long is it going to be before they do something? +alright,th the saying in the paper, they're talking about stopping these big companies, keeping these little companies waiting there could be something they can do about that, but how long is it going to be before they do something? yeah. yeah. it's a -in the meantime there's more and more going bust every week! -well the trouble is, a lot of these mps and people on these committees are actually they've got seats on the boards of a lot of these big companies +in the meantime there's more and more going bust every week! +well the trouble is, a lot of these mps and people on these committees are actually they've got seats on the boards of a lot of these big companies yeah. so it's not in their interests to push this through. -the longer they can stall something +the longer they can stall something yeah. like that yeah. -er, you know, the better it is, and particularly when you look at the the fever that there is at the moment about electioneering +er, you know, the better it is, and particularly when you look at the the fever that there is at the moment about electioneering yeah. is, is no big business isn't it? no, that's true. -i mean maybe i should go and see local erm mp or +i mean maybe i should go and see local erm mp or local m p. whatever and, and, about the rates. yeah. and see, you know, if they can do something about that, maybe it'd be right time. yeah. -bu cos we're actually the only ones that have their rate bill barry's hasn't. +bu cos we're actually the only ones that have their rate bill barry's hasn't. yeah. so, you know, they're yeah. @@ -28329,12 +28301,12 @@ just expecting us to pay! yeah. yeah. i would. -and it's yeah. +and it's yeah. that's what they're there for! well, yeah that's true! whether you've voted for them or not. yeah. -and , you know in fact +and , you know in fact yeah. you pay your taxes and, and yeah, it's very true that. @@ -28347,7 +28319,7 @@ well i said, well i'm not paying mine until somebody else gets theirs. yeah. and have to pay theirs. yeah. -but erm i suppose next thing'll be a court demand and, how d'ya fight that? +but erm i suppose next thing'll be a court demand and, how d'ya fight that? yeah. so it's all a worry innit? @@ -28363,13 +28335,13 @@ yeah ! yeah. at least there isn't the same hassle as there was at calpers yeah. -i mean alright, yes, you sort of have worries, but most of the time, i mean, for all last year it's run pretty well. +i mean alright, yes, you sort of have worries, but most of the time, i mean, for all last year it's run pretty well. yeah. it's only just recently that we sort of starting our de we've had bits of aggro. yeah. or at least, like so -with this,a all the benefits are, you get them personally don't you? +with this,a all the benefits are, you get them personally don't you? yeah. yeah. er rather than @@ -28379,7 +28351,7 @@ that's it! yeah, that's it. yeah. yeah. -i mean, it's, like his car for instance, i mean, that's always been a dream he never thought he'd ever be able to afford a new car, erm +i mean, it's, like his car for instance, i mean, that's always been a dream he never thought he'd ever be able to afford a new car, erm yeah. you know? yeah. @@ -28387,44 +28359,44 @@ and er, of course that's like a dream come true for neil, so yeah. that's yeah. -why we want to make a success and he don't lose it all ! -well, you know, you've got to have er benefits of, of taking a course of action like this haven't you? +why we want to make a success and he don't lose it all ! +well, you know, you've got to have er benefits of, of taking a course of action like this haven't you? because yeah. -otherwise you know +otherwise you know yeah. what's the point? that's it. what's the point? i mean i that's it. -it's not that people want to get rich, it's just that you make a nice living and enjoy +it's not that people want to get rich, it's just that you make a nice living and enjoy yeah. what you like doing and that's it. yeah. you know? yeah. yeah, can well do without the sort of, the hassle and the aggro. -i mean,calpers have made it a lot worse for us. +i mean,calpers have made it a lot worse for us. yeah. they have. they've done yeah. everything possible to make life difficult! yeah. -but er hopefully they'll leave us alone soon. +but er hopefully they'll leave us alone soon. but it doesn't help when we bring people like geoff you see, cos geoff comes from calpers oh i don't, oh right. oh yeah. he did. i de i didn't recognize him. -really angry about it because they've had to bring somebody else in to do geoff's work. +really angry about it because they've had to bring somebody else in to do geoff's work. yeah. yeah. right. -so i mean it was geoff's choice. +so i mean it was geoff's choice. yeah. -well, this is it, i mean, people you can't make people do things, i mean, they've got to +well, this is it, i mean, people you can't make people do things, i mean, they've got to no. want to do it haven't they? so @@ -28445,17 +28417,17 @@ as he is doing. yeah. yeah. but er -no doubt it'll all come out in fullness of time +no doubt it'll all come out in fullness of time well yeah won't it? it will won't it? yeah. -things can't carry on indefinitely in any business +things can't carry on indefinitely in any business no. where nothing's being produced, can it? no. -oh well he's, he's told the lads that it's only a matter of time. -i think that's what more or less decided geoff that, yeah, he would take it. +oh well he's, he's told the lads that it's only a matter of time. +i think that's what more or less decided geoff that, yeah, he would take it. yeah. but erm there you go. @@ -28464,12 +28436,12 @@ well yeah. somebody who can turn yo you yeah. know, do a bit of everything. -well it means, you see, apparently geoff's done all the air braking at calpers it means that neil can actually some of the time, be here rather +well it means, you see, apparently geoff's done all the air braking at calpers it means that neil can actually some of the time, be here rather yeah. than up there all the time with them. yeah. yeah. -well , cos david really doesn't know anything about the air braking or anything like that. +well , cos david really doesn't know anything about the air braking or anything like that. right. mm. so @@ -28481,7 +28453,7 @@ yes. gotta go and see the guy on the end now. oh yeah! haven't , haven't met him as yet. -he's they've opened an account with us and had a few bits and baps off us, so +he's they've opened an account with us and had a few bits and baps off us, so mm. mm. yeah, cos er, i think neil was telling you that, they look as if they're gonna be buying plenty of gas off us if we, when we start taking the air products. @@ -28498,10 +28470,10 @@ but i think so, it looks yeah. it doesn't it? -i think we're only little one here. +i think we're only little one here. yeah. right. -i mean , next door he's a big company based in london, so +i mean , next door he's a big company based in london, so yeah. yeah. and we're struggling ! @@ -28509,19 +28481,19 @@ i'll see you. alright jim. see you! bye! -neil, i hate to say it, but i don't think teresa'll will stick up there long. -they've just asked her to do more hours, she's to stay till five at night. -well well she just wants to say well +neil, i hate to say it, but i don't think teresa'll will stick up there long. +they've just asked her to do more hours, she's to stay till five at night. +well well she just wants to say well it's not fair is it? -you know can can she have some money? +you know can can she have some money? well, tracy's just said that to her. -it's alright them asking you teresa, but you know, they, they should be prepared to pay you more. -alright, i mean, we were just sort of thinking well sort of four o'clock wasn't she, she was starting to come out to che she came out with cheeky with us last night, but of course, that's all gonna go again innit, if it's gonna be five o'clock? +it's alright them asking you teresa, but you know, they, they should be prepared to pay you more. +alright, i mean, we were just sort of thinking well sort of four o'clock wasn't she, she was starting to come out to che she came out with cheeky with us last night, but of course, that's all gonna go again innit, if it's gonna be five o'clock? what has teresa said to her? i don't like that. well she said , no she said to her, well what else can i say? but, i'll ha i'll have to do it won't i? -i can see teresa going back to anna 's for season. +i can see teresa going back to anna 's for season. yeah. well the horse job, that way is, is enough bloody heads. yeah. @@ -28568,14 +28540,14 @@ yeah. oh he's gorgeous! yeah. he's quite well behaved. -the first couple of weeks he had colic quite badly. +the first couple of weeks he had colic quite badly. yeah. yeah. becky did didn't she? right. for a long while. yeah. -they seem to get it and then they settle down. +they seem to get it and then they settle down. yeah. ah! so it must be a bit of shock anyway, all these bits around. @@ -28605,7 +28577,7 @@ take him home. that'll do her good to have a sleep. oh ! right! -let's get all this sorted out. +let's get all this sorted out. hello boy! i think lassie's down here for dinner. they've just asked teresa to work more hours. @@ -28617,17 +28589,17 @@ ta love. we've actually, it's nearly hundred and twenty pound up. we'll see. oh right, okay. -cos i've the bill for the hotel it came in one lump as two hundred and four pound. +cos i've the bill for the hotel it came in one lump as two hundred and four pound. right. -and i got a separate receipt for andrew for his hundred and twenty so we're up wi the receipts. +and i got a separate receipt for andrew for his hundred and twenty so we're up wi the receipts. okay. -that's all bits and pieces. +that's all bits and pieces. right. well give me a bit more background. there's the everything. okay ! -and ours are there. +and ours are there. right. right. oh it's smashing then! @@ -28635,19 +28607,19 @@ it's alright? yeah that's fine. do you, do you want to keep that for or do you just want to take the pages out? -er it's up to you. +er it's up to you. i will do if you want to. -erm no go on, leave them in and then i'll, i suppose i can just erm +erm no go on, leave them in and then i'll, i suppose i can just erm well you could always tear the pages o pages out and stick them with the receipts. yeah, alright then. can do that. can't we? yeah. town hall. -don't old town's hall, do you want me to keep that? -er hang on to that. +don't old town's hall, do you want me to keep that? +er hang on to that. so -there's only three hours each for er geoff and alan. +there's only three hours each for er geoff and alan. right. which, works out, what? three, four and half don't it? @@ -28669,14 +28641,14 @@ yeah. right. okay. reckon it all up. -there's a couple of quid short because bloody telephone decided to eat it! +there's a couple of quid short because bloody telephone decided to eat it! okay. and i never even got a bloody call for it! did you get to see joe and barbara? no i didn't. i was gonna ring them up last night, you know with transfers. things being the way they were. -i got my connect card through this morning. +i got my connect card through this morning. oh! you've got it have you? yeah. @@ -28686,12 +28658,12 @@ but i'm not tempted. lancaster and carriage and wagon! who's calling? just hold the line . -neil, somebody called frank for you. +neil, somebody called frank for you. very good! mm? yeah! nice! -good up there! +good up there! got the sack! hello! yes. @@ -28704,11 +28676,11 @@ no. he's gone, just called. we use them both. yeah. -oh it's innit? +oh it's innit? yeah, whatever it is. what's that like? looks interesting anyway. -i go i got a call from him you see and that's . +i go i got a call from him you see and that's . let me just er oh right! have a look and see what i've got in stock. @@ -28716,7 +28688,7 @@ and i'll have to get back to you. so, dixons have, have usually got one. oh right! okay. -er, well i'm, i'm just in the middle of, i'm sign writing a vehicle and i'm half way through the letters and i've got a, i've gotta finish that off before i can get into my stock. +er, well i'm, i'm just in the middle of, i'm sign writing a vehicle and i'm half way through the letters and i've got a, i've gotta finish that off before i can get into my stock. yep. er, about two o'clock? magic! @@ -28728,7 +28700,7 @@ wants to sell us it! what er company? -oh just tell them that, you're just at the moment you don't need any. +oh just tell them that, you're just at the moment you don't need any. right! is that what we wa need? yeah. @@ -28744,7 +28716,7 @@ the socket just fits this one. the whole thing ? gotta be one that then when you've finished this off, yeah, bring it along there and i'll have a look at it. -i'll have back. +i'll have back. eh! oh! will you? @@ -28755,7 +28727,7 @@ here we go! here we go! here we go! once more again, eh? -well people think we've got an easy life you know. +well people think we've got an easy life you know. there's nothing else to do all day but swan around. who? who said that? @@ -28766,64 +28738,64 @@ he's coming out. yeah. hey they must have had a good meal other night. they spent eighty odd pound on a meal! -i asked him did you have a sweet? +i asked him did you have a sweet? he said, no, he said th that you could either have one or the other. it was a lot weren't it for they have a sweet or a starters, but they didn't have them both. -there's one at sixty odd which is, i think ri quite reasonable for three but eighty odd for three of them! +there's one at sixty odd which is, i think ri quite reasonable for three but eighty odd for three of them! it must have been a right of course it was posh -more expensive +more expensive yeah , it must have been. as long as it were worth it! never saw, you weren't meant to, and he says, no your mum said that we could either have a sweet or a starter, not both. yeah. it sounds awfully mean don't it? -i, i said to your dad i said it's mm mm you know to actually say you can't have -well if they were, if they were going home they wouldn't be having a starter and a steak and a sweet and all that lot would they? +i, i said to your dad i said it's mm mm you know to actually say you can't have +well if they were, if they were going home they wouldn't be having a starter and a steak and a sweet and all that lot would they? no, but they are inconvenienced cos they're away from home but -but i i it's just -well i don't know, i feel happier now your dad's had that bit of a do with that bloke, cos i feel that we can go to him +but i i it's just +well i don't know, i feel happier now your dad's had that bit of a do with that bloke, cos i feel that we can go to him yeah. and, and wi you know, hopefully get paid, there shouldn't be any problem. -cos that erm that sen, that accountant obviously isn't up to much. +cos that erm that sen, that accountant obviously isn't up to much. he promised your dad, oh it'll all be sorted within twenty four, forty eight hours and that was how many, three yeah. four days ago? i don't think he knows everything ab about that or what? -erm he, he told him this morning on the phone, he's looked into it, he's the director and he apologizes. -he rung to apologize this morning and said that it will be sorted and you will have your cheque. +erm he, he told him this morning on the phone, he's looked into it, he's the director and he apologizes. +he rung to apologize this morning and said that it will be sorted and you will have your cheque. he said, i am sorry! i didn't realize things were like this. -that's why you sent them the conditions! +that's why you sent them the conditions! well, that's what andrew said. -if, if they'd have if they'd have talked to andrew first, andrew would have told him why we'd sent it. +if, if they'd have if they'd have talked to andrew first, andrew would have told him why we'd sent it. andrew can't , he's just sort of passed that, that on. why has it gone to somebody who ? -well apparently it had gone to andrew, and, andrew had cos andrew isn't in the office all the time, and he'd left it in the office, and i think they faxed it by th andrew was gonna talk to somebody about it, but of course, by the time he'd got there, it'd already been done and this had happened so i'm gonna ring erm job centre when i get home. +well apparently it had gone to andrew, and, andrew had cos andrew isn't in the office all the time, and he'd left it in the office, and i think they faxed it by th andrew was gonna talk to somebody about it, but of course, by the time he'd got there, it'd already been done and this had happened so i'm gonna ring erm job centre when i get home. yeah. i, they'll say, i know what they're gonna say. -like, you know there's nothing they can do. -that's why, she'll be better to stick it and then she was to aunty anne's. +like, you know there's nothing they can do. +that's why, she'll be better to stick it and then she was to aunty anne's. at least when she finishes at, with aunty anne, it was seasonal. -she, she anne's gone aunty anne's, she won't have to go to that job . +she, she anne's gone aunty anne's, she won't have to go to that job . yeah. oh god ! -i've +i've i'm starting to get a bit like that. yeah. -although i seem, i slept alright last night, but i think when you've got things on your mind no i didn't sleep alright, i was too warm, i tossed and turned most of night! +although i seem, i slept alright last night, but i think when you've got things on your mind no i didn't sleep alright, i was too warm, i tossed and turned most of night! i was really warm. -did you, you watched the programme, the queen did you? +did you, you watched the programme, the queen did you? yeah! weren't it good! weren't it good? i'm gonna yeah. get the video. -just, it's half an hour wanted to watch that on b b c two half past eight to nine o'clock. -oh i think it'd be nice to have a video, because like, when rebecca gets older erm cos i personally, my own feelings are that we might get charles as king, but after charles there won't be anything cos they'll do away with them. +just, it's half an hour wanted to watch that on b b c two half past eight to nine o'clock. +oh i think it'd be nice to have a video, because like, when rebecca gets older erm cos i personally, my own feelings are that we might get charles as king, but after charles there won't be anything cos they'll do away with them. d'ya think? yeah. i think it will get to that. @@ -28837,9 +28809,9 @@ i'll say! it was nice to see, and it is always nice to see the, the other side of them. the natural side. yeah. -she was good with the kids weren't she? +she was good with the kids weren't she? yes she was. -but she was, like when she, on the trailer they said about and she said and the girls as well! +but she was, like when she, on the trailer they said about and she said and the girls as well! yeah. you know. yeah. @@ -28854,23 +28826,23 @@ yeah,. chase, goes round all over the place don't he? your granddad. i've got some good recordings this morning! -i've got jim from dixons who is like, he's lancashire but he's bolton. +i've got jim from dixons who is like, he's lancashire but he's bolton. bolton area. -and er, vic who is a londoner. -have they asked about, have you er anybody asked you yet what it what it is? +and er, vic who is a londoner. +have they asked about, have you er anybody asked you yet what it what it is? no, nobody's mentioned it. no. -one or two people looked, i've seen them looking but they've not actually questioned. +one or two people looked, i've seen them looking but they've not actually questioned. yeah. and it was, pretty horrible day yesterday! that's right. you were saying. -i said that, i said the back door's for you but they're like concrete. +i said that, i said the back door's for you but they're like concrete. yeah, they were very solid doors. i mean, they do actually, they're all metal. yeah. the frames and everything is,th the only bit of wood is the wood on the inside, on the panel! -you see david, what he's saying to your dad this morning, let's get a meeting and go but i just feel that, i just, what's the point of going for an argument. +you see david, what he's saying to your dad this morning, let's get a meeting and go but i just feel that, i just, what's the point of going for an argument. yeah. and, and it will be, won't yeah. @@ -28888,23 +28860,23 @@ yeah. and they're saying, if they do get away with knocking this money off we won't have made anything. we won't have made anything! -i mean, they got a damn good job cos that, cos what we charged them, we charged them sixteen thousand each. +i mean, they got a damn good job cos that, cos what we charged them, we charged them sixteen thousand each. well you think about how they were constructed and the number of man hours! yeah. nothing really is it? no. yeah. are you coming, pop in? -try and get over the bumps. as well that, i go into work and don't see teresa that often you'd think she'd have the money ready on friday morning wouldn't you? +try and get over the bumps. as well that, i go into work and don't see teresa that often you'd think she'd have the money ready on friday morning wouldn't you? yeah. yeah, she should have it ready. there's no excuse you know. for saying i'll give it your sister. there isn't. -i mean, okay, peter give us it on friday but wouldn't you have thought, i mean thirty quid +i mean, okay, peter give us it on friday but wouldn't you have thought, i mean thirty quid yeah. -she would have me got cash out or dropped +she would have me got cash out or dropped yeah. it over the thursday night. there's no excuse for that, it should be there. @@ -28928,7 +28900,7 @@ look granddad! ha! come on! we just been er -sarah's told teresa she's to work she wants her to start working till five o'clock every night, and erm she wants to work sometimes, in the summer it's gonna be +sarah's told teresa she's to work she wants her to start working till five o'clock every night, and erm she wants to work sometimes, in the summer it's gonna be six. and seven o'clock at night! for no more money? @@ -28950,7 +28922,7 @@ cat pee! ooh! back door's been open all this time! oh! -she wants more money +she wants more money so she's really fed up this morning now! she didn't, i mean if they were gonna give more money she'd have said. we'll pay you x number @@ -28982,7 +28954,7 @@ what does mummy say? eh? what does mummy say? you don't put a sheet, oh no! -she yeah! +she yeah! .a pussy cat! yes! yeah! @@ -28993,10 +28965,10 @@ oh! i got my gas bill this morning. oh did you? i've got mine as well. -i wouldn't be surprised quite honestly! +i wouldn't be surprised quite honestly! have you estimated? na no. -went to look up her reading, they said had to pay i've used three times as much gas as i did three times as much gas as i needed last time +went to look up her reading, they said had to pay i've used three times as much gas as i did three times as much gas as i needed last time yeah. but barely done three times as much. int it? @@ -29006,36 +28978,36 @@ mine's hundred and seventy two pound! ninety three mine! good grief! see it's never been off that heating. -i've had it all day get it going, apart, just from a +i've had it all day get it going, apart, just from a oh! i think, i think that's . he has done though. i know. dada! -no i was really surprised, it was that it's that. +no i was really surprised, it was that it's that. i expected hundred and forty at least! -ninety three, so that's including er ten pound standing charge, you know. +ninety three, so that's including er ten pound standing charge, you know. yeah. so that's not so bad. -said to betty i said you ought keep your bloody heating on betty! -i said, look i said, your eighty three quid like that for the wha and standing charge i said, and there's yo you freezing to death with no heating on! +said to betty i said you ought keep your bloody heating on betty! +i said, look i said, your eighty three quid like that for the wha and standing charge i said, and there's yo you freezing to death with no heating on! yeah. -just one, one buying those damn cylinders every week to ten days! +just one, one buying those damn cylinders every week to ten days! i says, get a heating allowance. six pound a week she gets. yeah, it's ridiculous! it's nowt, but it's been cold. -but i mean she wo she'd spend that in her in her cylinder gas +but i mean she wo she'd spend that in her in her cylinder gas yes! wouldn't she? -i know it er ten. +i know it er ten. mm? mm? look! lovely int she? oh! oh! -are you going over that firm about the money? +are you going over that firm about the money? what are you gonna do about it ? they've rung up this morning and apologized. eh? @@ -29044,7 +29016,7 @@ is that in wales? oh no tha rebecca! that's royal scotsman i'm talking about. oh! -the one's, but he didn't going to solicitors and +the one's, but he didn't going to solicitors and oh! right. what are you shouting about? @@ -29071,21 +29043,21 @@ yeah! you are one little starved girl aren't you? yes! and what does solicitor say? -have you, er er have you taken all your papers and your drawings and everything in? +have you, er er have you taken all your papers and your drawings and everything in? no! -it's with it's got to go through, we've got to see if we can get all the fees paid yet. -it's going through that system, and once they've given us the go ahead then we can go to the solicitor in lancaster. +it's with it's got to go through, we've got to see if we can get all the fees paid yet. +it's going through that system, and once they've given us the go ahead then we can go to the solicitor in lancaster. i see. -and then,fee i can't see how he can, well, do you wrong when er erm fancy, and they're trying charge for a an hire of a crane? +and then,fee i can't see how he can, well, do you wrong when er erm fancy, and they're trying charge for a an hire of a crane? yeah. not your fault they had to hire a bloody crane ! pathetic! -no it's tracy was telling david, and david said david was saying same thing, david wants to well like was saying this morning to neil, we'll have to get a meeting up a go. -but, i was saying to tracy, i can't see the point of going just to have a row, because that's all it'll end up, i don't think they'll get anywhere by having a meeting, i think they'll just row. +no it's tracy was telling david, and david said david was saying same thing, david wants to well like was saying this morning to neil, we'll have to get a meeting up a go. +but, i was saying to tracy, i can't see the point of going just to have a row, because that's all it'll end up, i don't think they'll get anywhere by having a meeting, i think they'll just row. because they, probably they won't budge. -you see, neil's already put his side about, we worked er how can you hold us responsible for them being late in when +you see, neil's already put his side about, we worked er how can you hold us responsible for them being late in when that's it! -for a kick off anyway, you held us up for three, five months with drawings being late! +for a kick off anyway, you held us up for three, five months with drawings being late! three months. yeah. yeah. @@ -29109,23 +29081,23 @@ oh! richard. what you got? and -i'm wondering if i should ring them actually, from unit, and ask them if tell them what's happening and will she be able to go on income support if she does give it up? +i'm wondering if i should ring them actually, from unit, and ask them if tell them what's happening and will she be able to go on income support if she does give it up? yeah. well, you know. will i? shall i? wait while your dad's out of room. -i don't think you can do anything about me not getting an erm they should just pay me more shouldn't they, if they ask to ? -well jake was saying that he actually why you're owed the forty five quid is he put us down on the wrong one with your . +i don't think you can do anything about me not getting an erm they should just pay me more shouldn't they, if they ask to ? +well jake was saying that he actually why you're owed the forty five quid is he put us down on the wrong one with your . yeah. -i do less than her, but she usually a tenner. +i do less than her, but she usually a tenner. yeah, you see, this is it isn't it? she's teaching you. it's whether you feel well i'll say to her rather than you teaching me, i'd rather you paid me! you won't will you? see, you're hopeless! -yeah but it's like it gets me because like jane jane gets asked they only ask her every saturday. +yeah but it's like it gets me because like jane jane gets asked they only ask her every saturday. jane doesn't have to pay. no. jane's only paid , twenty five pound for her @@ -29137,28 +29109,28 @@ erm yeah. that's right. but point is teresa, would you, if you went back on income support you've got that job club thing again don't you? -so i can you not just stick it out till i ring brian? +so i can you not just stick it out till i ring brian? yeah? and then go, cos it's not far off easter is it tracy? no. april? april. -so you've only got like february and march and april. +so you've only got like february and march and april. yeah? yes. -yeah well do that and put up with it till then, and then just see how it goes. +yeah well do that and put up with it till then, and then just see how it goes. i'm afraid that she's not gonna unless i er , i do some she int gonna get anybody to, to do for them sa number of hours and no way! -people would, you know, i mean it i mean that other lass was only there six weeks, teresa's only been there a few weeks. +people would, you know, i mean it i mean that other lass was only there six weeks, teresa's only been there a few weeks. she's got to start paying people more money. is that in, that's got ? and that will be no, it's not. you can't just use people like this though. it's not on! -i know she's teaching you but how, you're certainly earning your money it's hard graft! +i know she's teaching you but how, you're certainly earning your money it's hard graft! honest! it is. right. @@ -29174,15 +29146,15 @@ come on! hello! yeah. here we go. -mind you head on the desks. +mind you head on the desks. she banged it this morning, didn't half cry! come on then. mm. -mind her head. +mind her head. yeah. go and get a plate for your dad. -you see they've accepted our terms in one way because of the stage payments . -erm no. +you see they've accepted our terms in one way because of the stage payments . +erm no. mm. oh! leave the fish and chips in there. @@ -29197,12 +29169,12 @@ there isn't. above, above perhaps. yep. right. -well well i shall be up er, with, i'm , i'm not sending these lads up on monday. -did tony all of this what he said about that +well well i shall be up er, with, i'm , i'm not sending these lads up on monday. +did tony all of this what he said about that er , yeah. er, we're coming up it's true. -all on tuesday, because i'm to stand victory on tuesday er and it gives us chance then to get some more er er erm, reproaching done on the equipment +all on tuesday, because i'm to stand victory on tuesday er and it gives us chance then to get some more er er erm, reproaching done on the equipment no mummy. that's down today. don't want it. @@ -29211,14 +29183,14 @@ right. van'll be coming back loaded. erm and then we're just waiting with western house, i'm going to give them a buzz about one o'clock and ask them what the hell they're playing at! -because we've got cylinders here erm waiting for more er equipment to come. -so er we've got a lot to do, to come back, we've got a van load to come back. +because we've got cylinders here erm waiting for more er equipment to come. +so er we've got a lot to do, to come back, we've got a van load to come back. and, but er, we wanna wait! fetch all the tools up and everything go get your dad one. for victory, because i'd like to get stuck into that -and out of the way before i come up next friday. +and out of the way before i come up next friday. is the train acceptable to sleep on? what she's gonna do? take your chips off here or @@ -29233,9 +29205,9 @@ booze for your daddy? okay. you can put her oh right! -some on a piece of paper . +some on a piece of paper . okay . -oh she's oh! +oh she's oh! what has that got to do with the paint drying? if you work hard enough? yeah. @@ -29251,22 +29223,22 @@ what do you want? sugar? sugar? oh sugar! -it's white, and +it's white, and oh sugar! i forgot it. no we haven't got any. oh! -just . +just . too late! i've put coffee in your cup. he'll have it without. he'll have it, he'll have a cup of tea. yeah. -ca erm can you manage without until i get some? +ca erm can you manage without until i get some? yeah. gonna have to! -i'll have to go up top, oh or pre maybe your dad would nip up to shop or something. -well your uncle's gonna have his +i'll have to go up top, oh or pre maybe your dad would nip up to shop or something. +well your uncle's gonna have his yeah. out there? no, he's not. @@ -29275,27 +29247,27 @@ mm. he's got, he's got his shoes off. what you doing child? oh! -angela, i've rung angela this morning cos geoff says will i ring her and sort it out and she just said just alter it. -tried she said just alter it on p forty five? -but it still don't work out. -still works out i don't know what's wrong. -so i'm gonna have to go and see pat see what i'm doing wrong. +angela, i've rung angela this morning cos geoff says will i ring her and sort it out and she just said just alter it. +tried she said just alter it on p forty five? +but it still don't work out. +still works out i don't know what's wrong. +so i'm gonna have to go and see pat see what i'm doing wrong. oh! oh! oh! what did andrew say neil? -he rung up to apologize that er that, i'd got that fax. +he rung up to apologize that er that, i'd got that fax. because he was annoyed and he told me blank that they should have discussed the situation first hello! before sending the fax off. -because he knew what i'd sent the fax for er, he knew what i'd sent that for. -and er he didn't blame me one bit of doing that because we'd been getting the run around. +because he knew what i'd sent the fax for er, he knew what i'd sent that for. +and er he didn't blame me one bit of doing that because we'd been getting the run around. erm -and he's got a meeting with him again this afternoon. +and he's got a meeting with him again this afternoon. he's gone out for lunch this er yeah. michael . -but he's also contractors waiting to start jobs and they won't start without revenue up front. +but he's also contractors waiting to start jobs and they won't start without revenue up front. no. so it's not only us that's being like this @@ -29315,35 +29287,35 @@ have they been there all week? yeah, no they haven't been here at all. oh! -he asked them to come up today or tomorrow to start work on the er pipe work again. -well the the four that'll be ready. +he asked them to come up today or tomorrow to start work on the er pipe work again. +well the the four that'll be ready. and the, some of the other bedrooms in the other coaches'll be ready so he can, there's no problem. good! -wha what did you say about the er hotel? +wha what did you say about the er hotel? don't know. did they not bother? -erm what about r f s? +erm what about r f s? don't like r f s. they said well that's a load of rubbish! it's a wind up innit? -they said the only thing we've been talking about at r f s is his er wheel effects. -and he said, i told them point blank the oth last week, he said er to go to hell! +they said the only thing we've been talking about at r f s is his er wheel effects. +and he said, i told them point blank the oth last week, he said er to go to hell! and you have! well it goes into there! i'm going, taking it with me! oh i'm sorry! oh i didn't know that. -so er they told mi told michael in the car the car this morning, point blank that we've been getting run around! +so er they told mi told michael in the car the car this morning, point blank that we've been getting run around! we're still getting -cos michael started it, he said we're never said anything when we set off in the car, and then he said that he'd had this fax from me and er andrew said, well it wasn't actually from, er, from me to the, it was fetched up to me and i sent it in the office. +cos michael started it, he said we're never said anything when we set off in the car, and then he said that he'd had this fax from me and er andrew said, well it wasn't actually from, er, from me to the, it was fetched up to me and i sent it in the office. and er give us a kiss? -he said well i'll fax it back cos the agreement +he said well i'll fax it back cos the agreement er, blah blah! i didn't, didn't like daddy. what they'd put. -so, he said, well if you'd have er spoken to me first +so, he said, well if you'd have er spoken to me first if you speak to him he said i'd have told you, point blank, what he sent it for. where's my crisps you little thief! @@ -29357,15 +29329,15 @@ and, you know, i feel better about it now. you know, it made me feel a bit sick last night. sarah's told teresa, six to seven o'clock it's gonna be in summer. well only thing teresa's got to say to her -no, she's said, she, she ain't got the courage to ask her for more money, so i said well just give it a few more weeks and then anne and brian's turn up, if it don't get any better then, i'm afraid you got anne and brian's. +no, she's said, she, she ain't got the courage to ask her for more money, so i said well just give it a few more weeks and then anne and brian's turn up, if it don't get any better then, i'm afraid you got anne and brian's. it's simple as that innit? -yeah, it won't be first she's had you know, er eight o'clock till four o'clock and then if you want to, work, work any more hours erm +yeah, it won't be first she's had you know, er eight o'clock till four o'clock and then if you want to, work, work any more hours erm they're supposed to pay you more money. -then they'll have to pay you a bit more money,yo you know, to come back like that and say well yeah i don't +then they'll have to pay you a bit more money,yo you know, to come back like that and say well yeah i don't she's go mind doing that, but she's gonna need her at weekends as well, in the summer, because she'll be away eventing. -the only thing you can say, you know, do you mind if i ask you,sh it's bugging me by working these long hours will i be getting any more money? +the only thing you can say, you know, do you mind if i ask you,sh it's bugging me by working these long hours will i be getting any more money? cos she can't really do anything if she says no. you know, i mean, she says oh you've gotta finish, er at least she comes out and get your . yeah. @@ -29373,7 +29345,7 @@ teresa says, well saying that funny mood just ask her . she's in again. sarah, can i have a word? -just say, you know it's just bothering me a bit about these long hours, do i get any +just say, you know it's just bothering me a bit about these long hours, do i get any that's right. more money for it? that's all you need to say, and if she says no, then you know how to . @@ -29404,26 +29376,26 @@ yeah. ah! and el you're a bit cheesed off are you teresa? yeah. -well erm last it annoys me though because cos she said erm ricoh, when ricoh worked in there they give her twenty five pound and looked after her horse as well, so +well erm last it annoys me though because cos she said erm ricoh, when ricoh worked in there they give her twenty five pound and looked after her horse as well, so well, we're not taking cheeky down there. and you, you gave her a hundred no, i know that! quid. no i'm not. no but she was obviously better off weren't she? -but better, she yeah, cos +but better, she yeah, cos yeah. she was on better money there. you know. yeah i think it's bad. -i don't like my lessons, i'd rather have the money, if that's what she's saying +i don't like my lessons, i'd rather have the money, if that's what she's saying well like. just say to her mm. -just nicely, just say you know, it's just bugging me like, these extra hours because i've got my own +just nicely, just say you know, it's just bugging me like, these extra hours because i've got my own yeah. -horse to look after and i'm, you know is there any more money ? +horse to look after and i'm, you know is there any more money ? i really don't mind go down the extra hours @@ -29432,9 +29404,9 @@ in the summer. come and here! -oh she says erm it's just getting a bit too much now because i'm gonna start +oh she says erm it's just getting a bit too much now because i'm gonna start go to daddy. -and teaching people and i +and teaching people and i to daddy. want you to work later. well, just say to her, you know, working later, is there any more money in it? @@ -29442,22 +29414,22 @@ mm. it's not that's the only thing you need to say. it's e -it's not that she could be offenced at that about that +it's not that she could be offenced at that about that it's extra responsibility and everything! if she's gonna go off and just leave you it's, it's all extra responsibility int it? -well naturally +well naturally i mean, yeah. -i jake's as jake was saying +i jake's as jake was saying about to say ask jake for you want more money and all if you're doing extra hours. yes, he says er i'd get more money alright. mm. -he says that, that -well i reckoned up this morning we reckoned it'll perhaps be at fifty two, but we were wrong weren't we? -it's actually forty is it forty nine and a half hours it'll be? -i was only working forty hours at post house! -on the but she said erm that she were going away and i could work, cos the lessons finish on a sa start up there on a thursday, she said, if i work thursday, friday, saturday, sunday and i could have monday, tuesday, wednesday thursday off. +he says that, that +well i reckoned up this morning we reckoned it'll perhaps be at fifty two, but we were wrong weren't we? +it's actually forty is it forty nine and a half hours it'll be? +i was only working forty hours at post house! +on the but she said erm that she were going away and i could work, cos the lessons finish on a sa start up there on a thursday, she said, if i work thursday, friday, saturday, sunday and i could have monday, tuesday, wednesday thursday off. oh! mhm. well that's fair enough. @@ -29477,7 +29449,7 @@ yeah. there's some missing. int it cute? cumbria power tools, is it brett? -i don't know what i don't know where little, little one's come out +i don't know what i don't know where little, little one's come out okay. of. eh? @@ -29489,10 +29461,10 @@ it actually er one lo a fa going into in detail, there's one load of armature's turn it over. eh? turn it over. -we co we've tried to pull , but if you pull all the , swap the the leads round or shove the brush leads round which is the obvious thing to do in that case, you know, er in that no they're successfully sparking excessively. -so, we're gonna have to obviously send the armature back for at er +we co we've tried to pull , but if you pull all the , swap the the leads round or shove the brush leads round which is the obvious thing to do in that case, you know, er in that no they're successfully sparking excessively. +so, we're gonna have to obviously send the armature back for at er and they can also switch one. -no, i would recognize the you know +no, i would recognize the you know . there's a colour code on them. what three more? @@ -29503,9 +29475,9 @@ give it oh right! back to annette. i like doodling! -also did you leave any special ? +also did you leave any special ? got it -straight away because are better off! +straight away because are better off! no they don't. no they don't. you have got a rotten abscess have you brett! @@ -29514,7 +29486,7 @@ it's unbelievable i tell you! this is quite painful really yeah. there's nothing worse! -if you're not careful you'll have another one other side! +if you're not careful you'll have another one other side! leave him alone! ooh! ooh! @@ -29530,16 +29502,16 @@ no, not into football? no. no , not really. free videos! -any of the machines shown in there top terms apply less, less thirty percent and the +any of the machines shown in there top terms apply less, less thirty percent and the choice of any video shown on there. also, one thing i'll tr if you see that jacket in there, the only way you'll get that jacket normally if you bought a lamborghini! -i've been told the pra price of the jacket is the amount of the price of a set of wheels for the lamborghini! +i've been told the pra price of the jacket is the amount of the price of a set of wheels for the lamborghini! yeah? which is a pity to be giving away. send it off in any case. supposed to pu supposed put two, obviously sealer off the machine but er,things. yeah, well you -also if you're into music another offer with them, the c ds. +also if you're into music another offer with them, the c ds. how do we get round it? what are you doing down there? miss saigon, if you're @@ -29574,7 +29546,7 @@ aye. oh! about hundred and seventy five thousand pounds worth of pasta! rebecca! -keep her there for a minute. +keep her there for a minute. they de they don't . they certainly do. on things. @@ -29591,8 +29563,8 @@ he's in agony! you can see that! yeah, stop picking on him! he wants to sell something. -he'll have to take that -no well you can't buy anything so hard luck! +he'll have to take that +no well you can't buy anything so hard luck! yeah. hello! hiya! @@ -29625,7 +29597,7 @@ i've yeah. got a reasonable quotation. a load of verbal abuse and the o other things you normally get! -you nearly had one of in tears, you know, the other day when you're off. +you nearly had one of in tears, you know, the other day when you're off. who was it was that? @@ -29639,12 +29611,12 @@ honestly! why? what happened? tell me! -you know, he's giving,gip about this girl or something he said and ye you took offence! +you know, he's giving,gip about this girl or something he said and ye you took offence! he thought neil was serious! he probably was, you know, to, to him like. i bloody well was! there was no doubt about that! -i mean that is the top of the range professional, it'll cost you more like, but i mean it'll last you a lifetime if you don't use it that is. +i mean that is the top of the range professional, it'll cost you more like, but i mean it'll last you a lifetime if you don't use it that is. no. d'ya know sorry! @@ -29664,11 +29636,11 @@ it's all the same. but it surprised you know what? why, who says that? you shouldn't do that though it just . -well but +well but brett and the brett he'll, he'll like that! rebecca! -if your company wants to supply +if your company wants to supply aha! stuff, they're bound here we go! @@ -29699,7 +29671,7 @@ ah! there it is. multi-purpose nine zero all the bs. -three zero is that down? +three zero is that down? hundred and sixty two pound less your discount no you can't have it! thirty percent. @@ -29709,7 +29681,7 @@ if you buy two this year you'll be . yeah. i ke keep away from that . and we've got to get the pipe bender haven't we? -what about the, what's that +what about the, what's that come on then! in stock? i think we've bought it. @@ -29725,26 +29697,26 @@ it was an american yeah. first bloody cut, it slides the frigging teeth off it! and we thought it was the way that we tret it! -er we got the coolant and everything off it +er we got the coolant and everything off it yeah. -and it wasn't it was the . -they said no problems. +and it wasn't it was the . +they said no problems. well what happens when you want to re-sell, was it a ? yeah. yeah, well it was. pass. yeah. mum. -er it just it just disintegrated. +er it just it just disintegrated. well in english market and it goes they got american, there's three different types of cu er, cutters er, there's spinical ta! there's netrasess and there's . hooray! -well we told them when we rung them up we haven't got a thing, we're gonna nip up to quote a plate with it just as we're going into +well we told them when we rung them up we haven't got a thing, we're gonna nip up to quote a plate with it just as we're going into kick it rebecca. -a meeting we set +a meeting we set kick it! our magnetic, that we got up here hooray! @@ -29761,21 +29733,21 @@ i rung them hooray! up and said have you got another blades,th the blades have gone? sa said, oh well you shouldn't have done that! -and er he said, no, we haven't got another one, be -throw it to david. +and er he said, no, we haven't got another one, be +throw it to david. three or four days, and we rung steve up, he said yeah! kick it! i'll get you one. hooray! and it was here in the post! yeah? -and we put the starret which is the yellow one yeah? +and we put the starret which is the yellow one yeah? ya. and it went whoomph! straight through it li like it was cutting bloody butter! yeah. -so we thought, well that's er er we won't +so we thought, well that's er er we won't well send it back to us as a, as a genuine complaint. well have you got it with you, have you or have you thrown it away? @@ -29791,10 +29763,10 @@ to place an order for one. cos we're gonna need it. that's very kind of you! get wheels in motion. -could have you one for monday, if you order it today. +could have you one for monday, if you order it today. towards the end of next week'll be better. say rebecca! -cos we can't, if we're away on monday we shan't be back before friday and that'll mean kicking them out. +cos we can't, if we're away on monday we shan't be back before friday and that'll mean kicking them out. well i might as well, i mean if you want to let me order it now just get this out the way and then you can have more alright. time then? @@ -29803,20 +29775,20 @@ well you know the one we want don't you? yeah. plus the twenty eight mil, four lots erm, -twenty eight mil . +twenty eight mil . er, four . four . what about the er eh! there you go daddy! -there's one thing, or was it er +there's one thing, or was it er mm, daddy won't play. sorry? miles away! what's that for? no, it's gonna be top . no. -it's support, it's er er +it's support, it's er er there's a four , there something, haven't we got tha that doesn't fit. er @@ -29828,17 +29800,17 @@ oh! oh! oh! hooray! -is it, some int it? +is it, some int it? is that the ? no, this is it. er right, you want a number right, that there. -so, bench bender two two four. +so, bench bender two two four. yeah. -no , we're not bench, bending benches, we're bending +no , we're not bench, bending benches, we're bending two, two, four. right. -then flick over to there. +then flick over to there. and we want mind your head! twenty eight mil? @@ -29882,10 +29854,10 @@ you'd have got some stick! i know. because we'd have got from spiro's hey! -nothing at spiro +nothing at spiro fifty two -tell you what, we are you don't do bad for tools that we buy off them. -yeah, well did i leave you one of them catalogues with all the good tools ? +tell you what, we are you don't do bad for tools that we buy off them. +yeah, well did i leave you one of them catalogues with all the good tools ? yeah you did actually. yeah. has, that been binned as well? @@ -29898,10 +29870,10 @@ two hundred and ninety two less twenty percent. . less twenty percent. no, thirty percent off that one. -i'm not interested what little bit of twenty percent's +i'm not interested what little bit of twenty percent's going to that! two what? -two ninety three three. +two ninety three three. er, whee! ah! oh! @@ -29918,7 +29890,7 @@ what do you yep. want? she wants to pass it. -two hundred and ninety two pound less +two hundred and ninety two pound less mm. twenty percent. well if this one's @@ -29946,40 +29918,40 @@ well that's what i said about bloody v a t for! stupid v a t! innit daft? yeah. -how about these er sanders? +how about these er sanders? ah! we're gonna stick hold of them for a minute or two because we haven't right. got that job to do yet. that's fair enough then. -i'll fill that in as well, northern hydraulics because i'm paying er hydraulics prices for er seals when we can get them half the price off them. +i'll fill that in as well, northern hydraulics because i'm paying er hydraulics prices for er seals when we can get them half the price off them. yeah. -the erm belts for these sanders +the erm belts for these sanders yeah. -it's far cheaper to get a a san sanding belt and cut it down, you'll probably get about five belts out of one sanding belt. +it's far cheaper to get a a san sanding belt and cut it down, you'll probably get about five belts out of one sanding belt. mhm. oh right! don't go -can you cut the or anything? +can you cut the or anything? you can rip them. ah right! they're like a fibre, they're er er and how do you glue them together? you don't. -the end aren't they? -on your your multi-purpose sander if you go for black pack of three, i think they're about three ninety odd, that's what they were se selling them to the er +the end aren't they? +on your your multi-purpose sander if you go for black pack of three, i think they're about three ninety odd, that's what they were se selling them to the er is it three market street? er er -that's er ,about one fifty for one as long you get the right size and then just, just tear to whatever thing. +that's er ,about one fifty for one as long you get the right size and then just, just tear to whatever thing. you're supposed get them with a ruler and jus just pull them. -cos they're, they're like a cloth cloth belt. +cos they're, they're like a cloth cloth belt. that's a good idea! i'll, we'll do that then when we're ready. we're just trying to save you money you see! yeah. yeah ! -we need erm er eventually get the er the roller. +we need erm er eventually get the er the roller. have you? you got invoiced for it as well. i apologize for that. @@ -30198,7 +30170,7 @@ it's looking promising at the moment, we've had a lot of support from the people it's going to be actually quite a, quite a ride because the ridgeway isn't exactly a made up road is it? no, the ridgeway's quite up and down, we've already completed a, about half the ridgeway, er the last bit being about thirty miles we done another day there. er. -i've been, i've came over the handlebars, ian came over the handlebars with the bikes, so it is rough terrain +i've been, i've came over the handlebars, ian came over the handlebars with the bikes, so it is rough terrain it certainly is the amount of mud you pick up on your tyres and such like, it makes it treacherous. so, although eighty, eighty five miles wouldn't seem a huge distance to cycle in the day; over that sort of terrain, it's, it's going to be hard going isn't it? @@ -30460,7 +30432,7 @@ oxford has a particularly bad problem when it comes to homelessness. jeremy spafford from oxford's housing aid centre is specifically involved with helping single people who find themselves well down the list when it comes to being provided with a home. jeremy, i, i said it was a, a particularly bad problem, er we, we are worse off in this area for homelessness that a lot of other places aren't we? yes, i mean, er the person you interviewed earlier from the environmental health, i think pointed out that er oxford actually outside inner, inner city london, has er the highest number of properties which are er known as houses of multiple occupation which are often in disrepair. -and i think er when it comes to homelessness, er we have to think very carefully about what we mean; and sometimes er people think it's er purely in terms of having er some kind of shelter, er and we have a lot of people in oxford er, an estimate er has been a figure of, of three thousand people. +and i think er when it comes to homelessness, er we have to think very carefully about what we mean; and sometimes er people think it's er purely in terms of having er some kind of shelter, er and we have a lot of people in oxford er, an estimate er has been a figure of, of three thousand people. er who could be described as homeless. and these are people, not just those on the streets or in the shelter, night shelter or er in a temporary hostel and so on, but also people who find themselves in er accommodation which none of us i think would really want to call home. and er we find that those of us who are working with homeless people are increasingly simply trying to find some kind of shelter for a few nights rather than actually trying to find a home for people. @@ -30751,7 +30723,7 @@ as of today, their grant of four thousand pounds has been withdrawn. punget kore says in a meeting with labour councillors next week the centre's organisers hope to win themselves a reprieve. it's important to renew the funding, because if we don't have any funding the women's centre's going to close. the women centre has served a vital need for the community over the last six or seven years, and if it closes down all that work is basically gone and all the support that we've build up has gone, because basically there'll be nowhere that women can go to socialise and to find out what's going on in oxford. -traders in east oxford are urging councillors to back a move to replace a controversial traffic scheme. +traders in east oxford are urging councillors to back a move to replace a controversial traffic scheme. flowerbed obstacles were installed several months ago in both magdalen road and howard street, but have won few friends. most claim the restrictions have actually caused traffic using the roads to speed up. fox f m news, paul kirby reporting. @@ -30761,7 +30733,7 @@ the budget, of course, also has a major bearing on the level of next year's poll the environment secretary, chris patten, has set a figure of just below three hundred million pounds as his own suggestion of what the council should be spending next year, but that falls well below the figures calculated by the ruling labour and democrat coalition. however, tory group leader, david walden, thinks mr patten's statistics are workable. there will be one or two at the margins where we have to look at our priorities and one or two of them will have to be reassessed. -and as usual we believe that the council can deliver its services in a different way, that is by pushing local financial management for schools, competitive tendering in the — there are savings in administration there. +and as usual we believe that the council can deliver its services in a different way, that is by pushing local financial management for schools, competitive tendering in the — there are savings in administration there. and in that figure i've just given you we have allowed for extra provision in some cases like for the national curriculum in the education sector, additional spending for under fives and taking on board the requirements in social services for care in the community and the children's bill, although those have been, of course— the care in the community proposals have now been delayed and they are being phased in over three years. so, whilst the council at its present level of spending under its present control, which is not ours, will have to make savings in expenditure, it is our belief it can be done without detriment to services. is there anything to make you believe that poll tax bills landing on people's mats this time next year will be any nearer the estimate than they were last time. @@ -30777,7 +30749,7 @@ britain broke off diplomatic relations with the syrians four years ago after all the church official, john little, says the syrians have behaved a lot better since then. the archbishop, who has throughout er the last er three and a half years or more, since terry waite was kidnapped, he and the hostage families have stayed very much in touch with each other and they have supported each other and he agrees with them now that the government, on this particular question, is wrong. what is it that you think the government should be doing? -well er the first thing er on this question is that on monday of last week at the meeting of the foreign ministers of the european community in luxembourg, the british government proposed the removal of the european community sanctions against china, vietnam and iran and the maintenance of the community's actions against syria. +well er the first thing er on this question is that on monday of last week at the meeting of the foreign ministers of the european community in luxembourg, the british government proposed the removal of the european community sanctions against china, vietnam and iran and the maintenance of the community's actions against syria. and that struck us and the families of the hostages as a quite extraordinary thing to do. syria has a very significant role now to play and we ought not to be seeking ways of annoying them. we ought to be seeking to build on the quite hopeful developments, in the greater beirut area anyway, over the last few days, but instead we appear to be getting even more dog in the manger in our attitude towards syria. @@ -31007,7 +30979,7 @@ that was brilliant news, wasn't it? i never doubted it for a minute, jane, never. i told the whole news team yesterday, william, paul, lucy, gorgeous, abby, alex, and you yourself, oxford will win. i predicted two nil and my word they left it late, jane, i couldn't believe it. -i thought ‘oh no, not all the way back to the east end of london and risk my car being smashed to bits’, but there was jim and paul simpson on the left, dazzling, running rings around those irons . +i thought ‘oh no, not all the way back to the east end of london and risk my car being smashed to bits’, but there was jim and paul simpson on the left, dazzling, running rings around those irons . their defence was appalling. yes, they had injuries, but so everybody does. pulled the ball across and there was jim , but we have done west ham a favour, jane. @@ -31046,7 +31018,7 @@ none of this comes as much surprise to sausage supremo bill o'hagan. he runs his own sausage shop, with more than fifty different home-made varieties, at greenwich in south london. just recently mps are saying ‘over our dead bodies, we'll never change the character of the english sausage’. it's absolute bloody nonsense, because they are rubbish. -nearly every sausage, i mean there are odd exceptions, are made from ends. +nearly every sausage, i mean there are odd exceptions, are made from ends. so, as far as our saussies go, two things are clear. one if you want the best when you pig out you have to pay for them, and two they are not always as meaty as they might appear. you're listening to the fox report. @@ -31244,7 +31216,7 @@ if the risks were not to great dr. spackman would go again. i think, at the time we went there wasn't any real risk of being held hostage ourselves. short of actually some sort of war breaking out or some an incident breaking out whilst we were on the ground, i suppose they might have actually apprehended us, but otherwise i think the chances of anything happening to the people, or ted heath, who were out there were very, very slim. there are rumours that war is imminent, so presumably it would be dangerous to go now? -yes, i think, i mean, it varies from day to day, but as you say the rumours at the moment are that the is being upped a bit and i think it would be different. +yes, i think, i mean, it varies from day to day, but as you say the rumours at the moment are that the is being upped a bit and i think it would be different. i think even a week after we've got back i think it's slightly more risky even now. how seriously ill were the thirty eight? they varied. @@ -31502,7 +31474,7 @@ you're listening to the fox report. this weekend the new ice hockey league season starts. as spire oxford city stars, who are supported by fox f m, finished runners up in the autumn cup, and now they're brimming over with confidence as they approach they new season. they're at home to blackburn on sunday, but begin their english division one campaign away to harringay tomorrow night. -and despite their recent successes, mickey put it to the star's coach, don jameson, that they've yet to find a way round harringay's defensive system. +and despite their recent successes, mickey put it to the star's coach, don jameson, that they've yet to find a way round harringay's defensive system. we've drawn with them twice in the autumn cup. four four down there and five five up here. so obviously we are looking to get the points for the first time. @@ -32202,7 +32174,7 @@ there's two vehicles out there, and out of fourteen wheels, they've had ten each press attache at the madrid embassy, roy osborne, says they're doing all they can to help the stranded britons, but he says conditions at the border are getting worse. certainly it's, it's, it's tricky for them, obviously we don't know how long this strikes going to continue, and people in the area are facing er some initial food shortages, and basic commodities which would normally be moved by road, and indeed even as far as bilbao this morning, there are a shortage of reported, of a, of basic necessities like milk and bread. er. -obviously if you're stuck at the border post it's much smaller and therefore conditions will be that much worse, because erm the border's not just capable of coping with this kind of number of people stranded where they are. +obviously if you're stuck at the border post it's much smaller and therefore conditions will be that much worse, because erm the border's not just capable of coping with this kind of number of people stranded where they are. diplomats have offered the british drivers accommodation away from the border town of irun , but they've all opted so far, to stay with their vehicles. you're listening to the fox report. a local army regiment has left an oxfordshire air base this afternoon for the gulf. @@ -32271,7 +32243,7 @@ in the, in the, in the u k of course, er and in scotland, most of the acid depos do think the rest of us in, in, in the western world have a duty to give them money to, to help sort out the pollution problem? i doubt whether we can afford it, i doubt whether, i think the problems are so immense, er what really means is down i think, tearing down most of their industry and rebuilding it from scratch. and er i don't know where the money would actually come from doing that. -as far as east germany is concerned, no doubt western germany will take care of that now, er who could or would be able to do it for poland czechoslovakia, rumania and the soviet union, is very much more difficult to see, and of course, if the west were to rebuild all their, all their factories, er and they were all modern, and with their cheap labour force, they would then com, almost completely er destroy our industry i guess in competition so that we would have a, that would be another problem i guess. +as far as east germany is concerned, no doubt western germany will take care of that now, er who could or would be able to do it for poland czechoslovakia, rumania and the soviet union, is very much more difficult to see, and of course, if the west were to rebuild all their, all their factories, er and they were all modern, and with their cheap labour force, they would then com, almost completely er destroy our industry i guess in competition so that we would have a, that would be another problem i guess. so there's really very large economic problems here. you're listening to the fox report. john duan fu suan is a roman catholic priest who's in prison in vietnam. @@ -32366,7 +32338,7 @@ and for many of them this would be a dream to, come true. you're listening to the fox report, i'm jane markham. still to come: lester piggott back in the saddle, back on form. well the longfellow goes for his whip on nicholas, but he's got the advantage. -nicholas it is in front amiganamore and racing up towards the line, and it's nicholas, the maestro is back. +nicholas it is in front amiganamore and racing up towards the line, and it's nicholas, the maestro is back. financial report with halpern and woolf, keeping oxfordshire in business. early u k share gains behind firmer overseas markets were eventually replaced by minor signs of the market worried about recession. falls on wall street had a knock on effect in london and by the close, the footsie one hundred was down eighteen point three at two o eight three point six. @@ -32466,26 +32438,25 @@ well, i'm sure that there will be some folks at the lecture that will raise thos i have a, a little formal statement which i've composed which says a very strong thing, and then i have you know, just a, a, quite a lot of little pieces of information that i'm composing so that people will get a, a view of me in my little journey. and er the subject matter of the, the lecture is ‘searching the heart of humanity, to find the common bond’, which is of course, it's, it's just like my film ‘eternity’, it's a huge , you know, it creates a huge expectation, but i'm not afraid to step in front of people now and, and er you know, present myself and say ‘well let's ask the big question, let's, let's go for it, so er so it should be quite a lot of fun tomorrow. although these subjects are quite imposing, i think that er that both events are going to be a lot of fun, that the movie's a love story basically and er it also has a lot of humour in it and fun, and the lecture er it's not, not only quite serious in, in a sense that, with the topic, but it's also quite audacious, and i think that, that er there's an element of fun to that too. -in other words, i'll tell a few anecdotes about my life, i'll expose myself to these students and the people who are interested, and well you know, what's going on with me and we, we'll have some fun, so it'll be anything but dry. +in other words, i'll tell a few anecdotes about my life, i'll expose myself to these students and the people who are interested, and well you know, what's going on with me and we, we'll have some fun, so it'll be anything but dry. and jon voight's film ‘eternity’ is premiered at the phoenix theatre at nine o'clock tonight; his lecture is tomorrow at five o'clock at the university examination school, and all are welcome. and that was the fox report for tuesday the sixteenth of october 1990. - ah that's it we're we're lit up. so i'll now go all shy. -erm most of the i involvement i've ever had in any kind of job has been by accident. +erm most of the i involvement i've ever had in any kind of job has been by accident. er i've had plans. -when i was younger at school i had plans to go into various different things and er th i failed miserably, which is something i started doing and seemed to continue to do to some extent. -and so it was quite accidental that i started the club. +when i was younger at school i had plans to go into various different things and er th i failed miserably, which is something i started doing and seemed to continue to do to some extent. +and so it was quite accidental that i started the club. it was something i wanted to do, but i i didn't know that until it started to happen, and then with the removal business too it's more or less the same kind of thing. -and essentially in nineteen sixty eight sixty nine legislation changed in this country and up to that time what you had to do if you had a removals firm you had actually a licence. -er it was called an a licence which allowed you to take furniture all over the country to wherever you needed to go to remove people. +and essentially in nineteen sixty eight sixty nine legislation changed in this country and up to that time what you had to do if you had a removals firm you had actually a licence. +er it was called an a licence which allowed you to take furniture all over the country to wherever you needed to go to remove people. but if you didn't have an a licence, most firms that had got their own vehicles could get a c licence which allowed them to keep th take their own goods in er er that they used for their own practices to wherever they were going to but didn't y allow you to take anybody else's. there was a thing called a b licence which allowed you to go within about twenty five miles with somebody else's goods. so unless you'd got an a licence you couldn't be a removal man. -so if you wanted to be a removal man you had to find the work to justify you having an a licence, but of course you couldn't because you hadn't got an a licence to do it with. -so that's how things stood in those year in the the days before nineteen sixty nine and i in fact did learn about removals in the late sixties. +so if you wanted to be a removal man you had to find the work to justify you having an a licence, but of course you couldn't because you hadn't got an a licence to do it with. +so that's how things stood in those year in the the days before nineteen sixty nine and i in fact did learn about removals in the late sixties. i'll be telling most some of the tales about that time, and then the other tales will be about what happened to me in sixty nine when i started up, because the changing legislation s more or less said that if you had a vehicle of thirty hundredweight or less you could move an er wh whoever's furniture you liked anywhere you wanted to. -so it was a breakthrough and i noticed this change in sixty eight and realized that it would be possible to do small-scale removals. +so it was a breakthrough and i noticed this change in sixty eight and realized that it would be possible to do small-scale removals. oh that's nice isn't it. . there you are, a little bit of atmosphere to er . @@ -32496,13 +32467,13 @@ er and i noticed that there was this change. but what i had also noticed was that certain firms for example that w were er th then extant, er they in fact would s er say have a three-piece moved, and you'd have a huge van would go to pick up a three-piece suite. er it would be a van that would take a a four-bedroomed house with ease. three men would go along, pick up this poor little three-piece suite, put it on the van, deliver it perhaps two hundred yards up the road. -and i mean in nineteen sixty five such a job would cost te about eleven to fifteen pounds which was an anas astronomical amount of money in those days,simply because the man who had the firm had an a licence, or four or five of them, and he was in a mon a monopolistic position you see. +and i mean in nineteen sixty five such a job would cost te about eleven to fifteen pounds which was an anas astronomical amount of money in those days,simply because the man who had the firm had an a licence, or four or five of them, and he was in a mon a monopolistic position you see. well it was ludicrous. it was all right for big removals but not certainly for three-piece suites and the like. so that's why i started up in business. i had the club already going, was dealing with mainly young people, and as you will know young people's taste tends to vary quite considerably and very quickly, so i might well be very successful for so long and then if suddenly taste changed and i hadn't got the ability to change with the times i realized that it would be rather precarious, so i needed a second string to my bow. so that's in fact how the removals basically started. -i learnt with someone else, did two years and then er that was an accident if you like that i got involved cos somebody wanted me to be involved and and it seemed the right thing at the time. +i learnt with someone else, did two years and then er that was an accident if you like that i got involved cos somebody wanted me to be involved and and it seemed the right thing at the time. and then i went on and started on my own with light removals. and in the in fact in the early days o o f o one of the things that had happened f early on was that i would do jobs on my own, and you it's amazing how many number of one-man jobs there are. somebody wants a single bed moving, somebody might want a chest of drawers moving, somebody wants some packages so there were there's quite a lot of of work of that nature wanted. @@ -32514,24 +32485,24 @@ he says, well you never managed it when you were full time anyway.. so we had this agreement i would al arrive in a removal van just as assembly finished to start the lessons in the morning and then my removal man would come back and pick me up again at twelve o'clock so that i could then do the two-man jobs. so i had a er i got him set up for the morning jobs and then i did the afternoon jobs with him. so it started in that kind of fashion really. -but because you don't know i mean i er y you can't imagine really somebody saying, oh i'm going to be a removal man i think, it sounds like a fascinating idea, and you wouldn't think it was. +but because you don't know i mean i er y you can't imagine really somebody saying, oh i'm going to be a removal man i think, it sounds like a fascinating idea, and you wouldn't think it was. and you'd think, well what could be worse than lifting and carrying, and what could be more boring than doing that all day? but it it it hasn't been. it's been amazing for the very fact that everything is so different, every job is different. you aren't stuck with the same job. you may think you are, but from one house to the next that you deal with it's always different. -but of course some of the jobs we do are quite strange really, and er er just as an example there were er th there was the job er when we were er moving stuff from the old school system. +but of course some of the jobs we do are quite strange really, and er er just as an example there were er th there was the job er when we were er moving stuff from the old school system. you remember they did the changeover five or six years ago now, and the schools were mi er were getting mix er er they were mixed sexes and they were archbishop holgate's was going to be two sexes and so was queen anne's. and at the swap over they had to swap equipment around for the reorganization. so we, on the small scale, for just bits and pieces, got m several jobs and one of them was moving stuff from the biology labs and the physics labs from archbishop's to take it all the way across town to go to queen anne's school. -and i just have to go to or i just have to sort of explain that when you pack a van, you don't pack it like the advert for kitkat. +and i just have to go to or i just have to sort of explain that when you pack a van, you don't pack it like the advert for kitkat. you've seen the advert for kitkat haven't you where they have a little break sitting in the back of the van and the settee's on the floor and the carpet's on the floor and there's a a lamp in there and there's a piece of furni to one side. obviously if you pack your furniture in like that if you pack your furniture in in that way what you'd end up with when the van stopped all the f all the furniture would move down to one end and be squashed. -so what you do is you pack it like a three-dimensional jigsaw puzzle. +so what you do is you pack it like a three-dimensional jigsaw puzzle. you start at the front with the luton over the top, and you put your boxes. you often put things like ar er like er dining chairs which have got awkward-shaped backs up there, cover them with wrappers and place them there. and then when you get to the er van proper you take things like a wardrobe and you put it edgewise on int th in against the side of the van,you'd then put a wrapper over, and then you'd put something soft like a mattress facing it, because obviously that's a shiny side and if you can put something soft into it it's not going to get scratched. -you then face it with another wardrobe, or if not a wardrobe you'll face it with something like a chest of drawers and the and put a c er er a wrapper over that and then upside down on top of that th there would be a dressing table, and they would face in. +you then face it with another wardrobe, or if not a wardrobe you'll face it with something like a chest of drawers and the and put a c er er a wrapper over that and then upside down on top of that th there would be a dressing table, and they would face in. and you build it across the van like that. so it's rather like a sandwich. that's one of the reasons why a removal man when he comes into the place doesn't start with one room, upstairs shall we say, and f empty that room then empty another, because he's looking for sizes and shapes that will fit. @@ -32546,7 +32517,7 @@ where do you think the mirrors would go? i'm going to test you now, you see. floor. no. -i thought that once, when i did my first removal because the boss was away, and i went to a house wh and they had more more mirrors in that house than i s ever seen since, and because i was only learning and i hadn't been taught i put all the other furniture in and worried about the mirrors and worried about the mirrors and worried about the mirrors till at the end there was so much furniture in there wasn't room to put the mirrors on the floor and i had to come back a second time to actually do that because i didn't dare put them anywhere else. +i thought that once, when i did my first removal because the boss was away, and i went to a house wh and they had more more mirrors in that house than i s ever seen since, and because i was only learning and i hadn't been taught i put all the other furniture in and worried about the mirrors and worried about the mirrors and worried about the mirrors till at the end there was so much furniture in there wasn't room to put the mirrors on the floor and i had to come back a second time to actually do that because i didn't dare put them anywhere else. but i did learn later. and where w anybod any other ideas? in the wardrobe. @@ -32557,14 +32528,14 @@ open the door of the wardrobe, put a wrapper over the big one, put it in the bac and it's always a good tip for a removal man to get rid of those things first. cos if he gets rid of them first then he doesn't have to worry about those things until er later which sometimes does happen. but all this is done so that it won't shift, it won't move. -or if suddenly you have to halt then the whole lot doesn't come forward and squash into the next piece in front into the ne that's why it's edge on longways down so that the the wardrobe is that way edgeways on you see so that if you suddenly stop the weight of something there won't squash the the wardrobe. +or if suddenly you have to halt then the whole lot doesn't come forward and squash into the next piece in front into the ne that's why it's edge on longways down so that the the wardrobe is that way edgeways on you see so that if you suddenly stop the weight of something there won't squash the the wardrobe. and you build it up. obviously if you've got a load that'll take a whole van load you build it up as high as you can. if you go to a house and you realize that it's only a very small house and it's a very big van you'll only pack it up that way because you're packing faster by doing it that way. anyway i explain all this to give you a basic idea of the principle. but when we went to arch the school at archbishop's the two lads that went, they had to pack all these various different acid carboys. -they were alright, big glass things which you could surround and pack in tea chests with bits and pieces and equipment in. -and they were b doing quite happily and quite merrily with all the bits and pieces they had to pack until they came to something they'd never packed before. +they were alright, big glass things which you could surround and pack in tea chests with bits and pieces and equipment in. +and they were b doing quite happily and quite merrily with all the bits and pieces they had to pack until they came to something they'd never packed before. a skeleton. . full-length articulated skellington you see. @@ -32572,7 +32543,7 @@ so they scratched their heads and wondered, now what on earth are we going how a if you put it in a tea chest and bend its limbs then it's likely to get broken, and it wouldn't quite fit in you see d'you see it, and yes she she's jumping ahead already you see. and if you hang it up then it will swing about and could still be damaged. you can't put it anywhere cos something else would squash it. -so w er we did what we've just been suggested from the front here you see. +so w er we did what we've just been suggested from the front here you see. we sat it in the front seat. now m now my oh of course. my van has the driver's seat and two passenger seats. @@ -32580,19 +32551,19 @@ it was a summer's day, wound the window down, put the skeleton in with his elbow and then the second man he set he sat next to it with his arm over his shoulders just to make sure he was comfortable with the with as you say, the seat belt on as well you see, to secure him, and off the lads set, all the way across hull road right the way t across to queen anne's. and at time that time er th it was before coney street was closed so they went through coney street. well you can imagine can't you? -people on hull road just standing waiting for the bus, sort of idly chattering away, yes, aye you know chattering away and th +people on hull road just standing waiting for the bus, sort of idly chattering away, yes, aye you know chattering away and th am i seeing did you did you just did you see what i saw? and you can imagine the consternation down coney street where there were all these people and there was the the skeleton sitting there quite perkily right the way through town. and when we got to the other end one of the lads actually walked in and did a waltz into the school with it which the kids thought was great. -but there again you see it's how you hold how would you hold a skeleton you see? +but there again you see it's how you hold how would you hold a skeleton you see? it's probably the best way like that you see and walk it in er you see . well there p you see you you that's one thank you, yes. just on cue th there michael. i i always show this one to prove in fact that this is the case you see cos people sometimes don't believe my stories. he didn't -s he didn't remain in the parking in the driving seat er and in fact that that's because one of the lads was er a keen photographer and er so that's actually how it did go. +s he didn't remain in the parking in the driving seat er and in fact that that's because one of the lads was er a keen photographer and er so that's actually how it did go. now that is the size of vans that i use now for light removals. -er another er rather another er on that tack of course talking about er well in this case a skeleton, i had a job to do just shortly before they closed coney street off fully and e it was myse i was on my own and i had t to pick up some dummies from er a ladies' shop a dress shop. +er another er rather another er on that tack of course talking about er well in this case a skeleton, i had a job to do just shortly before they closed coney street off fully and e it was myse i was on my own and i had t to pick up some dummies from er a ladies' shop a dress shop. and you know many of them now are rather abstract things aren't they? well these weren't. they were very realistic were these, and there were fifty to be moved. @@ -32606,7 +32577,7 @@ so the second time i went clasping them round the waist, two,you see. and you got the odd look but it wasn't too severe because at least though they had no clothes on at least you were holding them by the waist. but once you got well into the business of the removal,y one forgets, you see, and you forget exactly what you're carrying or what it appears to be that you're carrying. and at one stage i think i was carrying about three. -one was slung over my shoulder one had got sort of between two limbs i suspect, holding it round the back like that, and another one was over a protrusion that just seemed handy to hold the lot, and as i walked down the street of course suddenly everybody was glancing at me and i realized what i appeared to be doing. +one was slung over my shoulder one had got sort of between two limbs i suspect, holding it round the back like that, and another one was over a protrusion that just seemed handy to hold the lot, and as i walked down the street of course suddenly everybody was glancing at me and i realized what i appeared to be doing. and i went very red as well as you can imagine. you don't realize and then you thi you've got these three bodies all wrapped round me and me er sort of walking round cheerily down the road with them. so you see you do get some strange loads. @@ -32618,21 +32589,21 @@ i would've probably not've been here if one had started to speak. another strange job one of the younger lads did, he d he was about eighteen and er we went he went north to er north of pickering to what do they call the forestry area there? dalby. dalby forest that's it, to the dalby forest. -and the job there was to pick up tray after tray of tiny little sprigs about that high in little tiny paper cardboard boxes. +and the job there was to pick up tray after tray of tiny little sprigs about that high in little tiny paper cardboard boxes. and they in turn were in what were rather like bakers' trays. and these were put on and then one after the other would put onto the van and they would come right up to this height. -not a lot of weight as you imagine because they're all little tiny sprigs this high, and obviously what they are going to do, they were being taken to south wales where they going to start off a new little forest presumably. +not a lot of weight as you imagine because they're all little tiny sprigs this high, and obviously what they are going to do, they were being taken to south wales where they going to start off a new little forest presumably. and we had tray after tray of these. -he went there to dalby forest one day in the afternoon loaded them all up and set off for wales. +he went there to dalby forest one day in the afternoon loaded them all up and set off for wales. it was a two-day job basically because of the time taken to get there and then come back through york again. -and on the second day in the morning he was happily going down this nice sunny day on the coast road er to south wales driving away quite happily,and then suddenly and a police car came across him, came in front stopped him. +and on the second day in the morning he was happily going down this nice sunny day on the coast road er to south wales driving away quite happily,and then suddenly and a police car came across him, came in front stopped him. so poor ben thought what on earth have i done? -he couldn't think of any it was a quiet road, he'd done nothing wrong, he hadn't been speeding, and it was a lovely morning and i can't do the accent, i won't try to because it was a welshman obviously but er he came what do you think you're doing lad? +he couldn't think of any it was a quiet road, he'd done nothing wrong, he hadn't been speeding, and it was a lovely morning and i can't do the accent, i won't try to because it was a welshman obviously but er he came what do you think you're doing lad? ben said well i'm just driving as normal,wh what what have i done wrong? you've been breaking the law for the last ha mile and a half. at least. well what have i been doing? -he said well it's a windy road, it's got double white lines. +he said well it's a windy road, it's got double white lines. didn't you notice? he'd obviously had a bad night had this poor bloke, you know. so ben said, oh, i'm terribly sorry he said, there was nobody else on the road and i i i must admit i didn't notice whether i had. @@ -32642,25 +32613,25 @@ it's not good enough isn't that, being sorry. you were breaking the law. er double white lines. so he tried to placate this man and he wasn't going to be placated. -and as the conversation f went on a little further eventually the man said the policeman said for no accountable reason and what's your load anyway? +and as the conversation f went on a little further eventually the man said the policeman said for no accountable reason and what's your load anyway? now, you've seen the picture of the van haven't you? and how small it is, a th hund er thirty-hundredweight van. -ben gave the right answer literally speaking because it said it on the sheet of paper. -but when he was asked what are you carrying anyway? he said thirteen thousand fir trees. +ben gave the right answer literally speaking because it said it on the sheet of paper. +but when he was asked what are you carrying anyway? he said thirteen thousand fir trees. now you can imagine with a little van that size the policeman thought he was taking the mickey. and it was quite true cos there were thirteen thousand of these little t er he didn't explain the size, he just said thirteen thousand fir trees. so of course the poor welshman with not having a sense of humour booked him, and poor ben came back with a twenty-pound fine. oh we're alright then. so he er he was most upset was poor ben so i did explain to him that what he had to do with policemen if they weren't feeling too good was to try and avoid saying things er quite as straightforwardly as that. -we got another job, we we often get erm er we used to g often get jobs from the yorkshire museum. +we got another job, we we often get erm er we used to g often get jobs from the yorkshire museum. but then they got their own van and they did most of them, er but then again they they a called on us and said can you come and do a little job for us? and we thought it was a bit suspicious because they have their ow they had their own van by then you see. -so we went to the yorkshire museum there in the g in the gardens,willy went along, and er one er and they wanted two men instead of one. -they normally wanted one man to go and er and that was it. +so we went to the yorkshire museum there in the g in the gardens,willy went along, and er one er and they wanted two men instead of one. +they normally wanted one man to go and er and that was it. but two men had to go. and when we got there we found out why. well it was what we had to carry you see. -it was a glass case with a tarantula spider in it. +it was a glass case with a tarantula spider in it. it was also another glass case. i just have to look at the list of this cos i always tend to forget this. oh yes that's right with an anthill. @@ -32670,49 +32641,49 @@ and of course the blokes at the yorkshire museum said oh you're alright don't wo and as willy said at the time he says well it's alright you saying that but there's no doubt why we got the job. but that wasn't the end of it either. there was a python. -i mean it was only six or seven foot long but it was a a python nevertheless in a glass case. +i mean it was only six or seven foot long but it was a a python nevertheless in a glass case. course you can imagine how careful he was carrying it with that in it. -and all they wanted it to do was to go around the corner to marygate for the winter and then we s got the same in the spring to bring it back,but by that time the python was a lot bigger. +and all they wanted it to do was to go around the corner to marygate for the winter and then we s got the same in the spring to bring it back,but by that time the python was a lot bigger. we moved it once and apparently it had to go a zoo after that cos when we moved it back it was about twelve foot long, and then of course it g grew even larger than that. so those are the kind of odd little things that help to make our job interesting and a little bit more exciting. but then of course the kind of stories i give and the ones that most people like generally speaking are the accidents i have. that's what you've come for most of you you see. -now of course i'm not supposed to admit to these things, being a professional, bo b before i do admit it them as i am going to i have to say that er on an average year er year we do about one thousand five hundred jobs and in that time there will probably be about three or four claimable accidents that we'll have. +now of course i'm not supposed to admit to these things, being a professional, bo b before i do admit it them as i am going to i have to say that er on an average year er year we do about one thousand five hundred jobs and in that time there will probably be about three or four claimable accidents that we'll have. last year's been better than that actually, i i think we've had about one or two. that is accidents where we genuinely do unfortunately damage something. -we're covered then, the insurance pays for whatever the cover is, er and er that's how it works. +we're covered then, the insurance pays for whatever the cover is, er and er that's how it works. now that is w er in fact it was a pretty good it's point nought three per cent i think of our our jobs er that we carry out that you can have you're allowed to have an accident which i think is a fairly good rate. i mean anybody can have an accident. i had one chap who worked for me for over two years without one accident, didn't scratch anything, did everything right, he was a wonderful conscientious man, and then one day he was carrying a big box containing some expensive crockery and he tripped on the top step of the stairs and the lot went down, the whole box went right to the bottom. -and it demolished about i think about a third of what was in it. -now of course what happened is that we claimed, we w went to the insurance and then they took they got a list of what was damaged and we replaced it for what he'd lost er exactly. -so the man was happy enough and even at the time, he realized that er it wasn't this lad's ch er mm fault entirely, because the reason he tripped was cos the carpet was loose on top of the stairs. +and it demolished about i think about a third of what was in it. +now of course what happened is that we claimed, we w went to the insurance and then they took they got a list of what was damaged and we replaced it for what he'd lost er exactly. +so the man was happy enough and even at the time, he realized that er it wasn't this lad's ch er mm fault entirely, because the reason he tripped was cos the carpet was loose on top of the stairs. having said that a good removal man should have noticed that before he started. but as i say he was the most conscientious removal man and after two years when he came in he was so upset. -er had had such a record, i mean if he'd smashed just er a lampshade or something like that it wouldn't have been so bad, but to actually get rid of a third of all the crockery in one fell sloop was er well it was fairly excessive. +er had had such a record, i mean if he'd smashed just er a lampshade or something like that it wouldn't have been so bad, but to actually get rid of a third of all the crockery in one fell sloop was er well it was fairly excessive. but i am going to having said that i will tell you of the few accidents that have occurred over the years, and one of them was mine in the early days when i was learning th the full size removal job. and this is the one people seem to like best i think. er it says something about human nature does this. -erm you know the ring er the r er roundabout as you go down monkgate, er one one of the l the roads goes off to huntington road and the other one is is heworth green and then the other road goes off now to sainsburys. -now at one time that road as it started off there were terraced houses there erm little tiny terraced houses, and they were due to be demolished. +erm you know the ring er the r er roundabout as you go down monkgate, er one one of the l the roads goes off to huntington road and the other one is is heworth green and then the other road goes off now to sainsburys. +now at one time that road as it started off there were terraced houses there erm little tiny terraced houses, and they were due to be demolished. yes? it's a long ti it's a car park now for that pub on the end there. and er we went to move this lady, we got there about i suppose quarter past eight time, a summer's day, nice day it was. a huge orange and black van with the full the name of the owner on it of course, because if you want to advertise something a removal van is one of the best things in the world for putting an advert on if you want people to see it that is. and when we got there we started to pack the small things on the front, the l the luton as we call it over the cab. and then we got to the stage where we needed to get the wardrobes out. -now these houses were of the kind that when you walk in through the door at the front you go into a l sitting room, through the next door is what can be a kitchen cum living room, and the staircase isn't immediately obvious but what it is is it's a door that looks like a cupboard. +now these houses were of the kind that when you walk in through the door at the front you go into a l sitting room, through the next door is what can be a kitchen cum living room, and the staircase isn't immediately obvious but what it is is it's a door that looks like a cupboard. and you open this cupboard door you can tell there's a step at the bottom. you open what appears to be a cupboard door and in fact the stairs go around the corner and back up on themselves. -now of course with wardrobes that are three foot wide it's an impossibility to get them up the stairs. -funnily enough a sing a double wardrobe which is four foot wide and eighteen inches deep if you split it in half, as the old ones could be, you end up with two pieces two feet and they actually can go up the stairs cos you can just get them underneath. +now of course with wardrobes that are three foot wide it's an impossibility to get them up the stairs. +funnily enough a sing a double wardrobe which is four foot wide and eighteen inches deep if you split it in half, as the old ones could be, you end up with two pieces two feet and they actually can go up the stairs cos you can just get them underneath. but with a th a single wardrobe ironically you can't get them up the stairs because soon as you reach that step you've got another step so if you were to lift it up to the next step it'll hit the top of the d doorjamb so it won't go any further. even if you got it further it's wider than the stairway which is only two foot six and the r wardrobe's three foot. so there's no way can you get them up the stairs. -so it's a window job. +so it's a window job. now window jobs are easy,believe it or not. they they look spectacular but they're very easy to do if you know what you're doing. -and i'll show you basically the the theory is that you go inside in fact i can show you with this this kind of window here. +and i'll show you basically the the theory is that you go inside in fact i can show you with this this kind of window here. er don't very often have this you see when i go to talks that. but here you have a piece of beading. you take that out. @@ -32721,11 +32692,11 @@ now once the beading's free you can pull this sash out, this window frame will c it's on cords. this isn't because it's set to, but normally it's on cords which go up to there up to that pulley wheel round and there's a big heavy weight inside which carries the window. it's an equivalent weight to that window frame there. -so of course having pulled it out the the cord is attached with two very thick nails, and you can pull those nails out, and then get you leave go of the cord. +so of course having pulled it out the the cord is attached with two very thick nails, and you can pull those nails out, and then get you leave go of the cord. er y you don't actually leave go of the cord straight away. if you do you need a joiner. cos if you leave d go the cord straight away the cord just goes shooting up there, the weight inside comes down here and you lose the cord and you have to take the whole lot p t apart in order to get the thing to work again. -but what you do as a removal man is you get hold of the cord that you've pulled away from the side of the frame, put a knot in it, a loose knot, then leave go gently because again if you don't leave go gently if it's an old cord when it gets to the reaches the knot it'll snap and you'll still lose the weight inside . +but what you do as a removal man is you get hold of the cord that you've pulled away from the side of the frame, put a knot in it, a loose knot, then leave go gently because again if you don't leave go gently if it's an old cord when it gets to the reaches the knot it'll snap and you'll still lose the weight inside . so you let go gently then you do the same on the other side, and then of course you've got this piece free. sometimes if the the piece of furniture is very large you have to do the same with the top one where there's another lap there, that one, another piece of beading there, and this will come out as well. it means you'll lose a bit of paintwork when you do the job but very u most often you can get it all back together with a few flakes of paint missing. @@ -32735,16 +32706,16 @@ then you bring your ladder that you've brought with you for the job and you put you put a wrapper over the top and then off you go. this is a two-man job. you get your wardrobe, its feet are that way on, you get each side of it, you put it on there and its bottom of the wardrobe rests on top of the ladder. -one man who's going to stay upstairs has the head of the wardrobe, you go tro i go trotting downstairs you see,and then i climb up the ladder and the ladder remember is over the edge of the sill. +one man who's going to stay upstairs has the head of the wardrobe, you go tro i go trotting downstairs you see,and then i climb up the ladder and the ladder remember is over the edge of the sill. so about four rungs down from the top i stop. -i'm quite well out from the ladder because it s at an angle and there in front of me is the wardrobe. +i'm quite well out from the ladder because it s at an angle and there in front of me is the wardrobe. all i have to do is push down, the man inside pushes up and the wardrobe slowly comes up like that. i go down one or two rungs and the wardrobe follows me. it rests at an angle, it rests on the er ladders of course because they are ang er the ladders are at an angle like that so part of the weight's taken by the actual ladders. and down you go. you trot down like this. -the man at the top leaves go once you've got it well resting on the ladder and he runs down the stairs to meet you at the bottom by which time you've got to the bottom rung, he comes takes one side of the wardrobe, you take the other and that's all there is to it. -done it i suppose i've done it eighty a hundred times by now but this was the first time,you see. +the man at the top leaves go once you've got it well resting on the ladder and he runs down the stairs to meet you at the bottom by which time you've got to the bottom rung, he comes takes one side of the wardrobe, you take the other and that's all there is to it. +done it i suppose i've done it eighty a hundred times by now but this was the first time,you see. and th it was about quarter to nine. and that roundabout in those days and probably nowadays at that time gets snarled up with traffic all going to work. we didn't help with a huge van on the foss on the foss bank there. @@ -32753,7 +32724,7 @@ so everybody was watching this. all sit there, tapping, waiting to be able to move on. and i was going up this ladder. but there was a problem. -the ladder wasn't long enough. +the ladder wasn't long enough. it didn't go onto the windowsill. it was about that short. about three four f foot short of the windowsill. @@ -32767,32 +32738,32 @@ anyway i got to virtually the lat rung and of course i was smack up against the i wasn't two or three foot back like this as i should have been, i was up here. the wardrobe wasn't in front of me there, it was there, you see. so he started to push. -the lady who was having operation done and wanted to see a remo er er er a wardrobe come out through a window was standing down there just on the edge of the road to watch this miraculous occurrence. +the lady who was having operation done and wanted to see a remo er er er a wardrobe come out through a window was standing down there just on the edge of the road to watch this miraculous occurrence. and he started to push did alan, and i started to go like that. i then started to put my foot to get the next rung down. and as i moved my foot about, like this, trying to find the next rung, i began to realize things weren't quite right. the ladder began to move around below me. alan was still pushing quite happily. i was bending like a banana backwards like this by this time. -and i was going like this doing a little dance on the ladder trying to find the next rung and the ladder was doing a little dance on the wall. -and i suddenly realized at this stage that there was going to be something rather unexpected happening. +and i was going like this doing a little dance on the ladder trying to find the next rung and the ladder was doing a little dance on the wall. +and i suddenly realized at this stage that there was going to be something rather unexpected happening. well it probably was to be expected really under the circumstances. -and i was very worried because the lady that was going to be paying for the job was just down there and if we weren't careful we were going to kill her with the wardrobe. -and fortunately i suddenly had inspiration, just at the last possible moment. +and i was very worried because the lady that was going to be paying for the job was just down there and if we weren't careful we were going to kill her with the wardrobe. +and fortunately i suddenly had inspiration, just at the last possible moment. it very rarely happens to me. but i realized that i had to do something pretty dramatic to avoid too serious an accident. -so just at the last moment as the ladder began to sweep that way i just pushed as er hard as i could in the air, and the wardrobe flew up into the air in that direction, the ladder flew off in that direction, i flew off in this direction +so just at the last moment as the ladder began to sweep that way i just pushed as er hard as i could in the air, and the wardrobe flew up into the air in that direction, the ladder flew off in that direction, i flew off in this direction and it was a bit like a fountain, going in different directions, you know how the water comes up and goes over. -and we all landed on the pavement and road together. +and we all landed on the pavement and road together. all in one fell bang. -the wardrobe when it landed didn't it hit a corner, but it didn't just crumple up, it exploded. +the wardrobe when it landed didn't it hit a corner, but it didn't just crumple up, it exploded. it just went crash! and shot off into fifteen different pieces. honestly, cos i counted them when i was putting it together. -we missed the lady fortunately cos it had you see that last push it just flew right over her head and past her. +we missed the lady fortunately cos it had you see that last push it just flew right over her head and past her. and i mean one had to be grateful because she was much more concerned about whether i'd hurt myself falling off the ladder than her wardrobe. she wasn't worried about her wardrobe in comparison to me having landed on the on the road, which i thought was extremely good considering that she i'd just demolished a nice piece of her f er a piece of her furniture. -and of course being as it was with everybody watching, we got applause for this. -you can imagine, they're all waiting there, anything t to distract you if you're waiting in a queue, and there was this man, throwing himself off ladders, chucking wardrobes everywhere and we got very good. +and of course being as it was with everybody watching, we got applause for this. +you can imagine, they're all waiting there, anything t to distract you if you're waiting in a queue, and there was this man, throwing himself off ladders, chucking wardrobes everywhere and we got very good. can you do it again? i didn't see it properly that time? you know. some bright spark said by god i know what firm, i'll write i know what firm to get anyway in future. @@ -32801,43 +32772,43 @@ i think er i don't know why but i must have just landed and done a s somersault and landed on my feet. and i was i d i said i was very sorry about the wardrobe and i'd replace it for her and see what i could do, and she said oh don't worry love as long you're you're alright that's all i'm worried about really. which was extremely good. -and in fact what i did do was erm went and bought her a secondhand wardrobe, took it to her, and she was really pleased because apparently she thought it was a better one than the first one. +and in fact what i did do was erm went and bought her a secondhand wardrobe, took it to her, and she was really pleased because apparently she thought it was a better one than the first one. and it was bigger and it was shinier and er so she was happy a fortnight later anyway. -but er there was one bit that didn't bust. +but er there was one bit that didn't bust. it was it was o it was a utility er now it depends on your age now, you're going to have to admit something here you see . do you remember these utility wardrobes? yes. -the only solid bit was at the front. -the only er solid part of the wardrobe was in fact the front part, which was made of sorry about that. +the only solid bit was at the front. +the only er solid part of the wardrobe was in fact the front part, which was made of sorry about that. which was made of wood, and the rest is plywood at the side and back. -you know the kind that if you lived in a house which had got an uneven floor when you opened the door the wardrobe falls over towards you. +you know the kind that if you lived in a house which had got an uneven floor when you opened the door the wardrobe falls over towards you. the only time it won't fall over you is when it's full of clothes, but the problem is opening the door and getting the clothes in before it falls on you. it's one of those wardrobes, you know the kind? and it has a mirror on the back, and that was the bit that didn't break. good grief. -as it fell, it hit on the corner and the door opened and the corner of the door was stressed, literally, you could see stress marks on the wood, but the mirror at the back was in one piece. +as it fell, it hit on the corner and the door opened and the corner of the door was stressed, literally, you could see stress marks on the wood, but the mirror at the back was in one piece. now that mirror's the one that you look into when you go in the ladies' toilets. oh. in the club here. it's just the right shi size and shape. i don't like wasting things you see. -it is, that is the sa it's the same mirror in fact that that came from there. -we got rid of all the rubbish, put it in and started packing and erm about five minutes later the man from next door came out. -and he said er ee he says, they're terrible houses these, you know. +it is, that is the sa it's the same mirror in fact that that came from there. +we got rid of all the rubbish, put it in and started packing and erm about five minutes later the man from next door came out. +and he said er ee he says, they're terrible houses these, you know. i'm going to have to move soon. i said aye they're awkward aren't they. he says aye terribly. -he says, you know when i came to this house i had to have split all my furniture into little bits so i could get it up the stairs. +he says, you know when i came to this house i had to have split all my furniture into little bits so i could get it up the stairs. he says, does your firm split furniture? i says, you should have been here five minutes ago, we did a marvellous job. we didn't get the job, incidentally. i think somebody must have told him. -another accident we had with an a wardrobe two of my lads had which was a funny one in retrospect but i some when you carry a wardrobe,funnily enough, the easiest way often if you've got a tight corner, you know as you go round a corner in a staircase you'll come from a landing and often turn right or turn left to go down, if you put it at an angle like that then you won't get it round the corner without catching the bannister. -so very often it's better to hold the wardrobe vertical and the man at the bottom end if you like holds it vertical and you go down holding it flat like that. +another accident we had with an a wardrobe two of my lads had which was a funny one in retrospect but i some when you carry a wardrobe,funnily enough, the easiest way often if you've got a tight corner, you know as you go round a corner in a staircase you'll come from a landing and often turn right or turn left to go down, if you put it at an angle like that then you won't get it round the corner without catching the bannister. +so very often it's better to hold the wardrobe vertical and the man at the bottom end if you like holds it vertical and you go down holding it flat like that. and when you get to er to the landing you turn it round through forty five degrees and then down a little bit further and eventually you tip it over to go down the stairs. but very often you'll see wa men will wa go horizontal, then it'll go vertical round the corner, then nearly horizontal or at forty five down the stairs. and that's how you do it. -but if y some of the finishes on some of the wardrobes are particularly slippery and if they're particularly slippery then i i it's difficult often. +but if y some of the finishes on some of the wardrobes are particularly slippery and if they're particularly slippery then i i it's difficult often. and in this particular instance, two of the lads were doing this very thing, coming down the stairs. the back of the wardrobe you always have facing the bannister of course, so that the shiny bit's on the outside so it's less likely to catch anything. er if you catch the corner of the bannister just as you're going by, usually have a wrapper over anyway, but i it it isn't going to damage. @@ -32845,27 +32816,27 @@ and he'd got round the corner, ready to go down to the rest of the stairs which and the man at the bottom missed his foot. he missed a step so he went down two instead of one. but he'd still got hold of it. -but the man at the front hadn't been told this of course, naturally enough and he couldn't see that so suddenly with a jolt the wardrobe left him, two steps' worth instead of one at a time. -so he shot forward, and what you are trained to do as a good removal man is you drop if you're dropping anything you drop it on your toe or on your hand. +but the man at the front hadn't been told this of course, naturally enough and he couldn't see that so suddenly with a jolt the wardrobe left him, two steps' worth instead of one at a time. +so he shot forward, and what you are trained to do as a good removal man is you drop if you're dropping anything you drop it on your toe or on your hand. it doesn't matter if you injure yourself as long as you don't injure the customer's furniture. -so his foot went down two steps, and sure enough down came the wardrobe onto his toe and didn't do any damage and then just bounced to the next step down. +so his foot went down two steps, and sure enough down came the wardrobe onto his toe and didn't do any damage and then just bounced to the next step down. but having h done that and having gone off his toe, he the wardrobe wasn't in front of him so much as it was down there by now, and he'd still got hold of it you see, so because of the momentum,of going that way down two steps and one further one he shot forward and went right over the edge of the wardrobe. now of course the man at the top was depending on the man er er the man at the bottom er was depending on the man at the top to be holding it to stop the weight fall on him. well there was nothing to stop him by now, there were two weights, there was the wardrobe sliding down the stairs and the man on top of it. -so he suddenly came to a halt at the bottom of this stairs as it turned the corner,with the bottom of the wardrobe rammed into his chest, pinning him to the wall. -the other man nose first was sliding down towards him, and ended up nose-to-nose with the other man, +so he suddenly came to a halt at the bottom of this stairs as it turned the corner,with the bottom of the wardrobe rammed into his chest, pinning him to the wall. +the other man nose first was sliding down towards him, and ended up nose-to-nose with the other man, with his feet up in the air at th the bottom end of the wardrobe, or what was now the top end. so there they were facing each other, the man a that being squeezed er his lungs being squeezed, the man on the wardrobe n unable to move because he was upside down virtually facing him head-to-head. the man who owned the house was laughing at all this of course, cos it did look very funny apparently. -but the problem wasn't even helped there because you see he couldn't get up the stairs easily, because the wardrobe was in the way. -so what he had to do, the the the the customer in fact, is end up by climbing up the bannister to get to the top so that he could get hold of the lad that was at the top get hold of him by the feet and pull him upwards and over and er finally free the man at the bottom. +but the problem wasn't even helped there because you see he couldn't get up the stairs easily, because the wardrobe was in the way. +so what he had to do, the the the the customer in fact, is end up by climbing up the bannister to get to the top so that he could get hold of the lad that was at the top get hold of him by the feet and pull him upwards and over and er finally free the man at the bottom. so you see it's a dangerous job as well. -it's exciting and it's you can have all sorts . +it's exciting and it's you can have all sorts . again f fortunately in this instance with that accident no damage was caused to his wardrobe and he was very happy with the removal, and highly amused by it i gather as well. so those are the kind of accidents you have. -and then of course you've got the er the business of er places you're going to. +and then of course you've got the er the business of er places you're going to. er problems that you can have beset when you go to some places. -we had a job which was involved in loading up the day before this is in a big van, in the previous job i i had, er er a large van fu filling it full of a houseful of furniture in the afternoon,sp spending two or three hours taking it out of store, and we were asked to deliver it to an address in new brighton. +we had a job which was involved in loading up the day before this is in a big van, in the previous job i i had, er er a large van fu filling it full of a houseful of furniture in the afternoon,sp spending two or three hours taking it out of store, and we were asked to deliver it to an address in new brighton. anybody know where new brighton is? it's near walla wallasey . wirral is it? @@ -32875,19 +32846,19 @@ on the wirra on the wirral. near liverpool. that's right, yes. so off we went you see. -we went there, we took it with us, all this load, and what it was it was a forces couple and they were coming back to this country from germany or somewhere like that, so we hadn't seen them. +we went there, we took it with us, all this load, and what it was it was a forces couple and they were coming back to this country from germany or somewhere like that, so we hadn't seen them. they'd had the stuff for a couple of years in the store and we were going to meet them there, at number twenty five lilac avenue, new brighton. -we got there for about half past twelve in the afternoon. +we got there for about half past twelve in the afternoon. tapped on the door, it was the last it was a cul-de-sac we found lilac avenue, number twenty five, it was the last one i the c in the cul-de-sac as it happened, number twenty five. there weren't any more, if it had been twenty seven it would have been impossible. knocked on the door, nobody there. thought, that's a bit funny. -still, you see if they're coming from somewhere like southampton or wherever they might have come, maybe they were delayed on the journey and er so we went and had our half hour lunch. +still, you see if they're coming from somewhere like southampton or wherever they might have come, maybe they were delayed on the journey and er so we went and had our half hour lunch. i rang up the boss, and said we've got the right number haven't we, lilac avenue? he says, yes, twenty five,so we were happy with that. we went back and no, still nobody there. i looked through the window and in fact there was furniture in the place. -but then with services houses, very often, like the ones in york in manor drive, they're in two halves. +but then with services houses, very often, like the ones in york in manor drive, they're in two halves. they don't look like that but they are,thei their er their back door goes into an upstairs converted flat. so with forces families very often in those days, you might be delivering to the first floor. s still wondered about it and thought this is a little funny. @@ -32901,13 +32872,13 @@ ah. i said well, well they must be we've got furniture. no no no he says, we get a lot of this kind of thing you know. i said how do you mean? -he says well, he says, i'm always getting mail here for twenty three lilac avenue, new brighton. +he says well, he says, i'm always getting mail here for twenty three lilac avenue, new brighton. get loads of it. it's not for me. i said well it must be if it's to twenty three. -oh he says no he says there's er and this was the bit that hurt. +oh he says no he says there's er and this was the bit that hurt. he says no th it's it's not here there's another new brighton. -i said another new brighton? +i said another new brighton? i didn't like to ask him . where. @@ -32916,7 +32887,7 @@ spent three hours the previous day packing it. the people needed to be living in the house that night. i mean with removals you can't say well i'm going to be two days late cos the people've got to be living there. -so i i said where's the where's the other new brighton? +so i i said where's the where's the other new brighton? i've already done a hundred miles,where's the other ne well he said well actually it's in wales, and i thought oh no! . and i had visions of it s on the south corner of wales. @@ -32924,36 +32895,36 @@ anyway it wasn't that bad. it was in an area called mold, just beyond chester, about thirty forty miles on. so we whipped into the van and off we went. and believe you me, we found this little village of new brighton. -it's got a main street, and i think it'd got two other streets and that's about all and sure enough one of them was lilac avenue. +it's got a main street, and i think it'd got two other streets and that's about all and sure enough one of them was lilac avenue. we got there for four. they said we are pleased to see you. -i said not half as pleased as we are to see you .. +i said not half as pleased as we are to see you .. . wouldn't have happened with a postcode would it? oh no, without a postcode it wouldn't. and of course it wouldn't if we'd been more accurately given the address, but -the trouble was in many ways is the man that booked it had had thirty five years' experience of removals, he knew all the country you see. -now i've told this tale before and some bright spark said aye but th do you know there are five in the british isles? +the trouble was in many ways is the man that booked it had had thirty five years' experience of removals, he knew all the country you see. +now i've told this tale before and some bright spark said aye but th do you know there are five in the british isles? and so i when i got back from the talk i had a look and sure enough there are, throughout the british isles there are five new brightons. there's one in leeds. -so you see you you'd have gone the wrong place wouldn't you if you'd followed what +so you see you you'd have gone the wrong place wouldn't you if you'd followed what i just said you see? shows you never to er . . -no well er i was learning you see quickly from these things, learning fairly quickly. +no well er i was learning you see quickly from these things, learning fairly quickly. we went to another one on a saturday job. it was one of these jobs we were hoping it wasn't too big a load but it was a houseload, we were hoping to get mi finished for the mid-afternoon, about three o'clock in the afternoon, or four perhaps. -and erm so we set off and i can't remember which village it was but it was towards the humber estuary somewhere and it was what i call a cul-de-sac village. +and erm so we set off and i can't remember which village it was but it was towards the humber estuary somewhere and it was what i call a cul-de-sac village. that is, it it it petered out and that was the end of the road you see. you went off a main road went down another road and the village was at the end of a road and that was the end of it. -you didn't you couldn't come out any other way, just the one way in and that was the finish of it. -so we d weren't worried about that, a nice big van we'd got, it was a big one so we'd got plenty of room thirteen foot high it was, nice size van for the job, and we filled it up and plenty of space left over, off we went. +you didn't you couldn't come out any other way, just the one way in and that was the finish of it. +so we d weren't worried about that, a nice big van we'd got, it was a big one so we'd got plenty of room thirteen foot high it was, nice size van for the job, and we filled it up and plenty of space left over, off we went. when we got to within quarter of an hour q sorry quarter of a mile of the the actual village itself, and remember it's quarter of a mile i'm talking about not ten yards fifteen yards away,we saw a railway embankment in front of us. -well, obviously there'd be a you know er a way underneath a tunnel underneath. -there was,but it said on it twelve foot six. +well, obviously there'd be a you know er a way underneath a tunnel underneath. +there was,but it said on it twelve foot six. and our van said thirt we was thirteen foot you see. well you always know that you know when they say twelve foot six it isn't quite right, they give or take a few inches. -so we edged forward and in the middle of the archway and there was about that much and it wouldn't go. +so we edged forward and in the middle of the archway and there was about that much and it wouldn't go. cos the back end you know is is slightly higher than the front end and we'd just got it in and the front was about that so it wasn't gonna oh well can you imagine the perspiration there would be, . walking a household of furniture quarter of a mile up the road? @@ -32961,8 +32932,8 @@ i couldn't imagine, we could be there till sunday moving it, you know. so you let the tyres down. ooh there we are we've got some bright sparks here . . -now i didn't think of that because again i was fairly new, but the lad that was doing the job said oh don't worry neal we'll sort this out. -so sure enough we let the tyres down sufficiently for it to be roadworthy and not to destroy the tyres on the way there, but soft enough just so that it would go down, and we edged it through and roy got it through the middle and off we went. +now i didn't think of that because again i was fairly new, but the lad that was doing the job said oh don't worry neal we'll sort this out. +so sure enough we let the tyres down sufficiently for it to be roadworthy and not to destroy the tyres on the way there, but soft enough just so that it would go down, and we edged it through and roy got it through the middle and off we went. got to the other end and i think we were unloading in about an hour and a half or so. two hours something like that. turned it round on the way back driving merrily towards the arch very happily past the pub on the left and the playing fields where they were about to play rugby i suspect. @@ -32971,7 +32942,7 @@ for goodness' sake stop. now when you have a house full of furniture, it weighs about five tons usually. . and five tons on the back of a van causes the back of a van to go down. -so there was we'd already taken the air out to get us through. +so there was we'd already taken the air out to get us through. we'd now no weight on the back of the van you see. . so @@ -32984,16 +32955,16 @@ she's spoiling me stories isn't she? yes. i was sweating, you could imagine thinking god we're going to have to take the wheels off and drag it through with a tractor or something like that on skids, cos we needed the van for monday and there wasn't going to be a lot of t but then suddenly yes a again i suddenly th . -i remembered the noise i remembered the noise as we went past the pub, so i went back to the pub and sure enough there were fifty sorry thirty burly men. +i remembered the noise i remembered the noise as we went past the pub, so i went back to the pub and sure enough there were fifty sorry thirty burly men. it was er u er er rugby union obviously. -there were at least thirty big men. +there were at least thirty big men. i said excuse me lads, just before you start playing can you give us a hand? what is it? you know. -i says well i've got a van and it's too light at the back. +i says well i've got a van and it's too light at the back. can you pa oh, they thought this was r great . . -and they all jumped on the back and under we went. +and they all jumped on the back and under we went. so, we did, we got our van back home again you see. had they not done it before? i would have thought it was a regular occurrence. @@ -33006,7 +32977,7 @@ oh no, they were too good-hearted, they were all yorkshiremen, john. not like you. they were . -burly fellows in the van, i'd have come straight back home with them . +burly fellows in the van, i'd have come straight back home with them . oh dear. ah but that's another story. . @@ -33024,9 +32995,9 @@ one of the reasons by being s a small removal firm doing light removals, i'll se but if you wanted a single bed moving, then the cheapest way would be just to have one man, he comes we charge you for the time we take, with a minimum of an hour's charge. so we charge for the time we go to the first address pick the thing up go to the second unload and get back to depot. if it's done within the hour we charge the hour. -if it takes an hour and five minutes, we charge an hour and a quarter to get for the time to get back. +if it takes an hour and five minutes, we charge an hour and a quarter to get for the time to get back. and of course if you book over the phone, then it can be done that way. -but if we were doing as we do a lot of jobs like that and i had to go round and estimate every one it would cost me more to go round and estimate than it would to do the jobs. +but if we were doing as we do a lot of jobs like that and i had to go round and estimate every one it would cost me more to go round and estimate than it would to do the jobs. you see adverts in the press that say free estimates, well of course they aren't. if you get a firm that's doing big removals, inside the cost of that is the cost of an estimator to go around and look at half the jobs he's not going to get. he's going to give a price and somebody else is going to give a price in competition, and half the time if he's lucky he'll get the jobs. @@ -33036,7 +33007,7 @@ or sometimes if they're not sure i'll say well before we book it can you just ha and then i can give them an idea of price, and we can work out what it's going to cost. if it's s something like that and they tell me the amount of furniture and if two thirds of the van will be filled with big stuff, and then they tell me there'll be half a dozen boxes, i assume there'll be at least four times that number of boxes, and if it's still going to go on, we'll do it. we had a job this week that was booked in -er estimating i was on wasn't i? +er estimating i was on wasn't i? that's right yes. and erm so er er if people do that and er this this businessman, this week, he he rang and he he was sending messages via the secretary, instead of getting on the phone to me and and me finding out what there was, he finally he s he said there'll be about an hour's work. tell him there's about an hour's work. @@ -33054,7 +33025,7 @@ so he only wanted o one man, and it w if i allowed two hours. i've got to make allowances you see cos i've got to fill the day f with jobs for the other lads, so if i allow two hours i've got to fill the other six. so i need to know beforehand, within half an hour or so. now we got off the phone and knowing the man i allowed three. -his wife rang up the following day. +his wife rang up the following day. could we move the piano as well at the same time? i said not with one man we can't, no. . @@ -33079,10 +33050,10 @@ but that's the kind of problem you meet. he was was quite right, it didn't take an hour. it didn't take an hour, you're right. . -i'll tell him that when i see him, yes . +i'll tell him that when i see him, yes . when he's paid the bill. but that's the kind of thing that can happen, cos y people aren't aware. -when i moved from my own place er in walmgate to here i still underestimated how much furniture i'd got. +when i moved from my own place er in walmgate to here i still underestimated how much furniture i'd got. and it is very difficult to assess. so with the big firms, when you're doing a full house and you you aren't just going to have a few bits like you would for a light removal, off you go and you estimate. i remember going on one of the first ones with the boss. @@ -33090,7 +33061,7 @@ it was in poppleton. end of a cul-de-sac. and we went in the house three-bedroomed semi-detached house. walked in the lady said oh right, you can can have a look round and showed us the rooms. -the two main bedrooms a small back room living room er drawing th front room and the kitchen. +the two main bedrooms a small back room living room er drawing th front room and the kitchen. we saw all the furniture and my boss didn't list everything. i do. i was learning a lot over the period of making mistakes as you can imagine. @@ -33111,18 +33082,18 @@ you estimate that. but if you send an estimate you more or less have to say what you're moving as well because if there's more than that and you don't put down what you're moving then you're p stuck with the estimate really and in p practice that's what usually happens,you give an estimate and then you do it for that price. so he sent the estimate and we got the job. it was to near leeds. -i went with the boss to do it so that we could follow up the practice of the theory you see. +i went with the boss to do it so that we could follow up the practice of the theory you see. the husband was there then. -we took his four- poster bed down that he wanted taking down that he cherished for some peculiar reason,and then we moved all the other bits of furniture, and as we w were sort of getting most of the furniture out of the first bedroom he said don't forget the loft will you? +we took his four- poster bed down that he wanted taking down that he cherished for some peculiar reason,and then we moved all the other bits of furniture, and as we w were sort of getting most of the furniture out of the first bedroom he said don't forget the loft will you? so we said what loft? . oh didn't my wife tell you about the loft? no no she didn't tell us about the loft. -oh well would you like to go and have a look? -so we went and had and there was a little space, you know normal bit bigger than average and a little hooked thing and it opened up and down came some steps and we went up with trepidation i must say. +oh well would you like to go and have a look? +so we went and had and there was a little space, you know normal bit bigger than average and a little hooked thing and it opened up and down came some steps and we went up with trepidation i must say. there was as much in the loft as there was on the whole first floor. my the boss said a few things under his breath, came down the steps and we went back into the van. -cos we had to repack it you see because it was going to take a it was going to take probably not it was going to go right to the end with this lot on. +cos we had to repack it you see because it was going to take a it was going to take probably not it was going to go right to the end with this lot on. so up it went higher. not the six foot he'd thought, seven or eight foot we went up and started to pack away again. a little bit sarcastically my boss said er to the owners there's nothing else that we haven't seen is there? @@ -33133,15 +33104,15 @@ so we went and had a look at the garage. did it have a car in it? no, there wasn't a car. it was a two it was a two-car garage. -full to the gunwales. +full to the gunwales. full ? to the gunwales. oh rubbish, all sor . boxes. -there was er there was the cooker er there was a cooker there was two fridges there was a disused ba er washing machine there was a and it all needed to go apparently. -so of course inevitably what happened is we got the house lot in just, took it to this place in leeds, got finished with that load and back for four which is what the estimate had covered us for, and then we had to start all over again with what was in the garage. -even then we were in for a surprise you see, because at the end of the you know how most houses have a rectangular plot within which the house is put? +there was er there was the cooker er there was a cooker there was two fridges there was a disused ba er washing machine there was a and it all needed to go apparently. +so of course inevitably what happened is we got the house lot in just, took it to this place in leeds, got finished with that load and back for four which is what the estimate had covered us for, and then we had to start all over again with what was in the garage. +even then we were in for a surprise you see, because at the end of the you know how most houses have a rectangular plot within which the house is put? but the ones at the back aren't. on the corner of the cul-de-sac they go off at an angle don't they. and depending whether it's a rectangular plot or whether it isn't or not or if it's slightly at an angle then some of the corner houses have a fairly long gardens. @@ -33150,7 +33121,7 @@ but he said to us you won't forget the stuff in the hut will you? . cos we'd had a recce by then and had a look round and you see. well we said what hut? -well apparently that wasn't the end of the garden you see cos that came across like this and when you went through a gap in the hedge about another twenty yards further on in the far distance it seemed there was the hut. +well apparently that wasn't the end of the garden you see cos that came across like this and when you went through a gap in the hedge about another twenty yards further on in the far distance it seemed there was the hut. and when i opened the door everything fell out. . so we'd got about forty yards to march to the er the van before we even got that on board. @@ -33162,13 +33133,13 @@ and that's what he had to pay . for twice the amount of work. for twice the amount of work yeah. so i again it's something i learned from that. -it was funny, actually it was on that one, i think he was a little bit erm sexually-orientated more than average this gentleman, cos he'd got the four poster bed. +it was funny, actually it was on that one, i think he was a little bit erm sexually-orientated more than average this gentleman, cos he'd got the four poster bed. this was before they became a popular thing you know. this was an original he was very proud of this and he kept telling us about this. -his wife kept a distance, she said nowt, but he was quite proud about this. +his wife kept a distance, she said nowt, but he was quite proud about this. but you don't get this very often now but you it's funny how sometimes you get gifts when you're on removals, and this was this particular instance. -because not only had all this lot to be moved, but halfway through the removal he suddenly remembered there was something else needed moving, shot to the stairs with a white face, opened the door in under the stairs and out came all the bits and pieces from there. -oh don't forget these lads, but he said i've got a present for you lads . +because not only had all this lot to be moved, but halfway through the removal he suddenly remembered there was something else needed moving, shot to the stairs with a white face, opened the door in under the stairs and out came all the bits and pieces from there. +oh don't forget these lads, but he said i've got a present for you lads . conspiratual of tone. that th w thickness . @@ -33178,10 +33149,10 @@ here you are lads, get rid of them quick won't you?. . we used to have a stock of them . they don't now with with liberated women they don't allow it now you know. -the the men are no longer liberated and can have them so they just y it's quite funny but you don't get them now. +the the men are no longer liberated and can have them so they just y it's quite funny but you don't get them now. it's funny how er th trends change, but that was a was quite a common occurrence was that, men feeling ashamed of what they'd got but trying er er in terms of these magazines giving them as if they were doing you a favour. and of course for some of the lads it was. -they weren't there in the they weren't in this office for very long before they disappeared elsewhere . +they weren't there in the they weren't in this office for very long before they disappeared elsewhere . and er er but it's funny how that should happen. the corollary to that sad case actually was when after we'd moved them we got another phone call six months lad er later from this very lady who was leaving the house and moving out. she'd had enough of him obviously. @@ -33193,7 +33164,7 @@ do you think a four-poster's more erotic than a divan? not me personally, no i i . yes? -ye no i yes i i f would have thought it could be quite obstructive in certain circumstances . +ye no i yes i i f would have thought it could be quite obstructive in certain circumstances . . . but i wouldn't know of course. @@ -33204,26 +33175,26 @@ yeah. . i've not had that ye that problem with that. yeah no i'd er . -so there you ar now then we get another kind of job. +so there you ar now then we get another kind of job. this this one i'm going to tell you about are we alright for time? are you not in yes. you're alright so far? -erm er this o this one is not one single job as it happens but it is the kind of thing that we have come up against before and i've put them the things together in one so that we don't identify people really under the circumstances. +erm er this o this one is not one single job as it happens but it is the kind of thing that we have come up against before and i've put them the things together in one so that we don't identify people really under the circumstances. but . -in the early stages we were we you know used to take phone calls and take them at face value, and we got a phone call like this. +in the early stages we were we you know used to take phone calls and take them at face value, and we got a phone call like this. erm, lady's voice. er i wonder er what time do you start in the morning? so he said well we start at mm half past eight eight o'clock time usually. -could you start a job at about half past nine in the morning? +could you start a job at about half past nine in the morning? yes madam, no problem there. how long would it take you to get the furniture out? would you be out by midday? . i can see what's coming. . -so i said well it depends how much there is you know, we we are only a light removal firm, we don't have oh no no well there's no problem there, it's only half a houseload. +so i said well it depends how much there is you know, we we are only a light removal firm, we don't have oh no no well there's no problem there, it's only half a houseload. . now the advice a few years er be from the s solicitor was not in quite the the th precisely these words but if somebody was leaving, i mean if the wife was leaving the husband, the instructions were basically love,get your furniture out, hide it somewhere, and argue about who owns what afterwards. and that was the kind of advice some years ago was being given by solicitors. @@ -33237,30 +33208,30 @@ and then we started to get to the big stuff. it always happens with the big stuff really. we've got well under way with the job, she's very white,sh you can imagine why, she's feeling very you know she's very sort of edgy as you move things out and she's deciding what to move. . -now on that particular day because the husband is unaware of these things you see. +now on that particular day because the husband is unaware of these things you see. but that particular day she didn't know beforehand, this was planned a few weeks in advance as you can imagine. -but he's off to see his area manager in leeds. +but he's off to see his area manager in leeds. it's an unusual day cos he's got to have create a good impression with the boss you see, the area manager, there might be something in it for him. so he's rushing around and flapping this morning before he goes off just before nine. -and off he shoots in his car, his splendid company car. +and off he shoots in his car, his splendid company car. up he goes, off he goes. we arrive a few minutes later you see, to plan, and we're putting the stuff in. he forgets something and comes back. -he's just adjusting his outfit as he's in the car driving up the tadcaster road and he looks with horror. +he's just adjusting his outfit as he's in the car driving up the tadcaster road and he looks with horror. he's forgotten to put his tie on. -so what does he do? he turns round and comes back. +so what does he do? he turns round and comes back. and it's sod's law you know because nearly always these things happen mm. when we've got the worst bit. -it's either a six-foot high with sharp edges f fridge freezer or a cooker which all the back's got grease on and is sliding out of our hands as we carry it. +it's either a six-foot high with sharp edges f fridge freezer or a cooker which all the back's got grease on and is sliding out of our hands as we carry it. and sure enough, down the street this man drives. can you imagine, you're in his position? . -a happily married man you think, coming down the road and suddenly there are some clow clowns actually with a van parked outside your house, moving what you recognize as your fridge freezer out through the door. +a happily married man you think, coming down the road and suddenly there are some clow clowns actually with a van parked outside your house, moving what you recognize as your fridge freezer out through the door. now y i mean you've got no preconception th th y idea that this is going to ha happen at all. so you leap. and he leapt out of the vehicle,what the bloody hell do you think you're doing with this lot?! -so i look a bit shaken cos we've he's just come from nowhere, screeching to a halt. +so i look a bit shaken cos we've he's just come from nowhere, screeching to a halt. moving this fur . bloody fools or something?! it's the wrong bloody house! @@ -33277,54 +33248,54 @@ so you go to the door and you open the door and you walk backwards. it's like one of these films in reverse you know. and this time you're coming backwards and this way on. -and the lady's going what what what on earth happened? -i want that out i want that there's a man behind us and he says if we don't bring it in he's going to kill us. +and the lady's going what what what on earth happened? +i want that out i want that there's a man behind us and he says if we don't bring it in he's going to kill us. oh good god no! -well and then there's there's y er y he can't get in the house cos you're in the way and he's trying to push past and y we don't know where the hell to go. +well and then there's there's y er y he can't get in the house cos you're in the way and he's trying to push past and y we don't know where the hell to go. you know, we don't know what to do with the bloody bit. get the bloody thing back in the k ! -oh, you know i don't want it in the kitchen, oh! +oh, you know i don't want it in the kitchen, oh! so then there's a s set-to inside the hallway. now of course the difficulty you can't i it's a personal thing and you don't like standing watching all this operation going on for too long. . at the same time you've got to try when there's a break in the in the shouting to explain that the longer they shout the c more it's gonna cost if you actually do do the removal, and even if you don't it's gonna c you know and er you get a few choice words and then eventually you say well well look we'll go outside and sit outside for a few minutes and d and wait till you've decided what and don't forget i time you kn you kn yeah. -and you know. +and you know. . and so you wait outside. it's fifty-fifty. the result, that is. fifty-fifty usually. -you know you th either come back and they're embracing each other and cuddling and there're a few tears and everything and er everything's hunkydory and you start traipsing back in with all the bloody stuff you've just brought out from beforehand you see. +you know you th either come back and they're embracing each other and cuddling and there're a few tears and everything and er everything's hunkydory and you start traipsing back in with all the bloody stuff you've just brought out from beforehand you see. . -the other fifty percent of the time of course is i it's split again because they're arguing like and he comes charging out take the bloody lot, i don't care! +the other fifty percent of the time of course is i it's split again because they're arguing like and he comes charging out take the bloody lot, i don't care! . . -and oh well, i'm not telling you you see. +and oh well, i'm not telling you you see. cos as i say it's a mixture of a few you see. but actually in between, i'd forgotten the in between bit of course is while all this pandemonium's going on, the neighbourhood didn't realize she was moving, or perhaps one or two did. -but you know it's it's a strange thing, you don't realize how conscientious english people are. -how often they come out and clean their windows. +but you know it's it's a strange thing, you don't realize how conscientious english people are. +how often they come out and clean their windows. . mow their lawns. . -paint the door. +paint the door. tell you this time they were out all in full force you know. like a cup of tea? whilst you're waiting. what's going on in there? -you know, it's it's it's +you know, it's it's it's . and it's not professional to say anything. it's professional to take the tea of course, but you don't say anything after you've got it. -but of course he comes up take the bloody l ! +but of course he comes up take the bloody l ! and so i er you er you you start to take it back out again. and then of just back like a yoyo, backwards and forwards. and so it goes on. and eventually you you either do and he drives off and nearly runs into rams into a lamppost or something like that on his way when he's finally given up, or else sometimes as i say they get together and er everything's hunkydory. -but of course the problem then is after all that, whichever way, whether you move them or you don't, you've taken time. +but of course the problem then is after all that, whichever way, whether you move them or you don't, you've taken time. you've probably taken two hours getting the stuff out and then putting it back in again, and if you move it you've taken a lot longer. nobody wants to pay. . @@ -33332,14 +33303,14 @@ the bloke certainly doesn't want to pay, he didn't book you. the woman doesn't want to p play because she doesn't think it's her fault. and if they get together neither wants to pay because they haven't done anything, we've only taken the stuff out and put it back in again. . -so the usual thing eventually after five months waiting for payment is to find out the bloody solicitor that told them this you see and inform the the solicitors that er his client has not yet paid us and we it ought to be done and eventually that's how we get the money. +so the usual thing eventually after five months waiting for payment is to find out the bloody solicitor that told them this you see and inform the the solicitors that er his client has not yet paid us and we it ought to be done and eventually that's how we get the money. well it was her fault really for not checking he'd got his tie on. yes that's right.. so as you see it's not a boring job. one time no a long time ago, which it might actually, might you might have been at the meeting, i don't know. -but this club as you know opens at eight o'clock in the evening. -now i've done removals before then, not so much now, but i at one time used to be out on the road doing removals myself very often and i would get in for about seven o'clock in the evening get a quick grab something to eat, rush round this place, put the fires on and get it ready. -now today there are two people working one or two, there's somebody on the door somebody o o o on the bar because we get fifty people into the club often now. +but this club as you know opens at eight o'clock in the evening. +now i've done removals before then, not so much now, but i at one time used to be out on the road doing removals myself very often and i would get in for about seven o'clock in the evening get a quick grab something to eat, rush round this place, put the fires on and get it ready. +now today there are two people working one or two, there's somebody on the door somebody o o o on the bar because we get fifty people into the club often now. but in those days, in the early days, we used to be lucky to get twenty or thirty didn't we? and we'd maybe just have two meetings on. so one couldn't justify having two people on board doing the job when in fact what was involved was bringing you in signing you in and then serving you. @@ -33349,10 +33320,10 @@ it was like fawlty towers, i'd be to the bar it's alright for you regulars who know what it's like, but imagine somebody new coming to the club. you wander in, you pay your ninety p, and i say if you just go through that door please, and the next minute i'm out at the bar as well saying what would you like to drink? . -but that's how it had got to be in the early days, otherwise it would have cost more to run than i took. -and it was one of those such nights that at half past seven i'd just got most of the fires set and ready to er er just on and going and i'd half an hour to get everything straightened and ready for eight o'clock opening, and the door at the back went, which was where the office used to be. +but that's how it had got to be in the early days, otherwise it would have cost more to run than i took. +and it was one of those such nights that at half past seven i'd just got most of the fires set and ready to er er just on and going and i'd half an hour to get everything straightened and ready for eight o'clock opening, and the door at the back went, which was where the office used to be. and it's another shouting job again. -open the door want me bloody furniture back! +open the door want me bloody furniture back! that's all he said. i said sorry? sorry sir? @@ -33361,20 +33332,20 @@ i says i beg your pardon? it's gone! i said, i'm sorry can you tell what's the name? so he told me his name, i think it's something like mr . -i said sorry we haven't moved a to you moved my bloody furniture, today. +i said sorry we haven't moved a to you moved my bloody furniture, today. it's gone i tell you. -i go out to work this morning at nine o'clock, i come back, i open the kitchen door, four o'clock this afternoon walk into my kitchen empty! +i go out to work this morning at nine o'clock, i come back, i open the kitchen door, four o'clock this afternoon walk into my kitchen empty! it's all gone! i couldn't believe it. i went into the living room. all my bloody furniture's gone from the living i went upstairs the lot's gone! and you've got it! -i said i'm sorry mr but we haven't got er come with me into the office, i'll show you, we've nothing till for a mr . +i said i'm sorry mr but we haven't got er come with me into the office, i'll show you, we've nothing till for a mr . i said where's it from? -he said tockwith . +he said tockwith . oh. i said tockwith? -i said just a minute but we've had a mrs . +i said just a minute but we've had a mrs . mrs cooper rang us up. we've taken her, yes we've moved her stuff to th to the store i said. that's her! @@ -33387,31 +33358,31 @@ well i says i'm very sorry but i says it's six miles away in a store, we don't a i says well i must admit it is yes i you know i he said i'm going to get a policeman if you're not careful. he says i want a poli i want my bloody b furniture back tonight, otherwise i'm going to get a policeman. well by this time it was ten to eight and i'd got all these members were going to be outside, i was going to have to let them in and serve them and i was getting a bit frantic you see. -i said well look, you go and get the policeman i'll ring my solicitor up and then we'll sort it out from there. +i said well look, you go and get the policeman i'll ring my solicitor up and then we'll sort it out from there. so off he went in high dudgeons as you can imagine you know, red-faced, excited. well you would be wouldn't you if you'd nowhere to sleep on the night? . imagine going home tonight, opening the back and there's nothing there. it's not funny is it? you know. -so i rang my solicitor and he wasn't there. +so i rang my solicitor and he wasn't there. so i then rushed to the front of the building, i said look, will you come in please? go up to your rooms, and i'll take your money off you later. i'm sorry i can't serve you now but i'll get back to the bar as soon as i can. so these poor people came in and i s it was actually it was an argosy club night. that's why you might have been on it you see. -and er or yourself maybe? +and er or yourself maybe? do you remember that? no. it was many many years ago, but it's it definitely i this is what happened. i mean probably the members didn't realize what was going on. and er so i shot back to the phone, tried a second partner finally the third partner in the solicitors firm that i deal with was there. so i explained what had happened. -he says well you're quite right n y i cos i didn't think we you know i'd said to the man already it's quite possible i wouldn't be able to really take the stuff out of store for him. +he says well you're quite right n y i cos i didn't think we you know i'd said to the man already it's quite possible i wouldn't be able to really take the stuff out of store for him. he'd have to t cos you see there was no proof of ownership. -mrs was the person that had contacted me. -so he said you're quite right. -mrs made a verbal contract with her. +mrs was the person that had contacted me. +so he said you're quite right. +mrs made a verbal contract with her. when you arrived at the house she was in residence. so you'd made a verbal contract over the phone with a lady who you found living on the premises so you had every right to believe that she owned the furniture. if that man wants his furniture back and it is his, because it might not be,he'll have to get a court order. @@ -33419,8 +33390,8 @@ so i told him that when he came back with the policeman. . . i know. -well the policeman was there anyway wasn't he? -you know . +well the policeman was there anyway wasn't he? +you know . . and the policeman just well of course this is a civil matter he sai he wanted to get his tea no doubt you know, and he wanted to be off . . so he r he disappeared from view and the man'd quietened down a bit. @@ -33428,13 +33399,13 @@ i said look i'm i really am very sorry. i said i wish i could provide you with a bed, i can't. i said i wish i could because i i i am sorry for your situation. but i cannot take it out of store because i would be breaking the law effectively if i did. -i said all you can do basically is go to a solicitor, get a court order, unless i can persuade the lady herself to let you have the furniture. -now i'd also in this time rung up the er forwarding address in manchester, rung up the telephone number i'd been given of the forwarding address. +i said all you can do basically is go to a solicitor, get a court order, unless i can persuade the lady herself to let you have the furniture. +now i'd also in this time rung up the er forwarding address in manchester, rung up the telephone number i'd been given of the forwarding address. because she'd paid the bill for the removal. and i had to have an address to send the bill for the storage, which i would send to her on account every three months. and she'd gone you see. -she'd so i thought well i'd i well he'd i didn't say what he'd done i didn't ask about that, i mean i had i had enough trouble without asking questions like that you see. -and erm i rang the lady it turned out it was mother that was on the phone at manchester. +she'd so i thought well i'd i well he'd i didn't say what he'd done i didn't ask about that, i mean i had i had enough trouble without asking questions like that you see. +and erm i rang the lady it turned out it was mother that was on the phone at manchester. and she said oh yes i says well i'll tell you what's happened oh she says my daughter's a hussy. she reall s i you know i've always had trouble with my oh she i can understand, the poor man she said, i do feel sorry. i said well er don't worry about that i said er you know but can you give me your daughter's phone number or address so i can contact her and get this sorted out? @@ -33447,11 +33418,11 @@ well, within about ten days i got a phone call from a solicitor er in leeds tell i said well i'm sorry you'd better refer to my solicitor who's told me that you need a court order. and the trail went dead for about another fortnight, i didn't hear any more so, i thought well maybe it isn't you see, maybe it isn't this chap's furniture after all. a fortnight later from bradford, another set of solicitors rang up, explained that they understood the circumstances, said look c could i hold the stuff there and what was i going to charge for the storage etcetera, er and they would be going to have to get an affidavit from this lady in australia at some stage in order to give er him the chance to have the stuff back. -they'd need an affidavit to say this is not mine, it belongs to mr er whatever his name was i've forgotten it now. +they'd need an affidavit to say this is not mine, it belongs to mr er whatever his name was i've forgotten it now. and er . mr , thank you. -and er so that's what he had do you know how long it took, all that lot? +and er so that's what he had do you know how long it took, all that lot? a year! what the hell did he do meanwhile? . @@ -33484,21 +33455,21 @@ have you ever been threatened with anything? not quite, but these split jobs where you have a split between couples, it can get a little bit heavy at times. but my instructions for the lads have always been that if you go to a job for a lady particularly and then a man comes along and starts to get stroppy, you'll have to explain to the lady you may have to leave it temporarily and go back. but we've never quite had to do that. -erm but it's been near. -i remember one, the chap called dave in york who er has a removal firm +erm but it's been near. +i remember one, the chap called dave in york who er has a removal firm . -yes, well i was on a r a radio programme with him at one time and er and he was telling about some of his sticky stories, and there was one where he was doing a similar job from a farmhouse and he picked the furniture up and had to drive down this long drive to get onto the road and the the farmer, who presumably was the man who felt er an injustice to him was being done as it were, he was on his tractor, saw the van moving down the driveway, took a shortcut to the road edge, and fired a shotgun at his van.. +yes, well i was on a r a radio programme with him at one time and er and he was telling about some of his sticky stories, and there was one where he was doing a similar job from a farmhouse and he picked the furniture up and had to drive down this long drive to get onto the road and the the farmer, who presumably was the man who felt er an injustice to him was being done as it were, he was on his tractor, saw the van moving down the driveway, took a shortcut to the road edge, and fired a shotgun at his van.. . and he said as he drove off down the road it went rattle rattle rattle rattle and there were these hole little holes in the side of his van.. so we've never come as er as quite as close as that. -his brother melvin, er who has another removal firm in york, erm he had a funny experience too that i've not hac had. +his brother melvin, er who has another removal firm in york, erm he had a funny experience too that i've not hac had. we move pianos on ground floor. we're light removals, but we will move a piano with three men. i have moved pianos upstairs, in certain cases where it's a very open staircase and a straight one, but we won't normally do that cos er we need the equipment to do it, the proper sled and everything and we haven't got those things because we wouldn't be asked upon to do it often enough. -and er but he did one did melvin, and he he was trotting up the stairs with three men pushing you see, two at the bottom one at the top guiding it, and the top of the piano started to disappear into the staircase. -because it was an old house that they were renovating, and it had got so much rot in it and woodworm, and he said he said he said th there they were walking up one minute and the next minute the piano was just going down through the stairs . -and he said eventually with ropes and various other tackle it took seven of them to lift the piano back up again out of the gap that it had produced in the stairs and get it up the stairs. -so y tell you, it's amazing the the kind of remarkable things. +and er but he did one did melvin, and he he was trotting up the stairs with three men pushing you see, two at the bottom one at the top guiding it, and the top of the piano started to disappear into the staircase. +because it was an old house that they were renovating, and it had got so much rot in it and woodworm, and he said he said he said th there they were walking up one minute and the next minute the piano was just going down through the stairs . +and he said eventually with ropes and various other tackle it took seven of them to lift the piano back up again out of the gap that it had produced in the stairs and get it up the stairs. +so y tell you, it's amazing the the kind of remarkable things. one other one, if i may just, that i've just remembered that a lady who had a again this is when i was big removals. she lived in a one-bedroom flat in st george's place as you may know those council flats. very small, very compact, very nice little places. @@ -33520,7 +33491,7 @@ you know, six foot high, one of them was six foot wide. the other one was only four foot wide because of course she needed to collect the whole lot you see, and then the next one was three foot wide. all three of those had just arrived the day before. plus a drop-leaf table. -she'd got about six little normal dining chairs, and then there there were the carver chairs, she'd got about six of those. +she'd got about six little normal dining chairs, and then there there were the carver chairs, she'd got about six of those. she'd got all the array of occasional tables they then did. she'd got the sort of sideboard. she'd got a bureau. @@ -33534,14 +33505,14 @@ on top of the wardrobe w there were big plastic bags. full. chock-a-block. under the bed. -there wasn't any dust under the bed really because there was no room for the dust because it was jam-packed +there wasn't any dust under the bed really because there was no room for the dust because it was jam-packed . full of bags. sh don't forget she said there's a coal house outside. i said i'm sorry love, we don't move coal. . oh she's says it's not coal, no, i don't use it for coal, she sa i've got gas central heating, we don't need no it's just that er well there are a few things in there. -we i mean you know with coal houses they they're about this wide, about that high, of course you don't put the coal that high do you cos it's forty five degrees job. +we i mean you know with coal houses they they're about this wide, about that high, of course you don't put the coal that high do you cos it's forty five degrees job. and it goes back about six or seven foot doesn't it usually? and you open just like a little shelter. same thing as as i mentioned before. @@ -33579,30 +33550,30 @@ i mean i don't know whether she thought she could put them in the garden when sh there were five dozen jars, literally five dozen jars of jam. and as you can imagine they weren't all fresh. . -forty jars of marmalade. +forty jars of marmalade. . she could use the sugar she'd got for building bricks for a new shed i reckon, the amount she'd got there. . and all solid, you know. it was all over the place. under the sink, behind the cupboards, every single where you could imagine was chock-a-block. -that job took nine and a half hours. +that job took nine and a half hours. it was estimated for three and a half. because we started in the afternoon that day, should have finished about half past four five, went on till seven, and then wen went ne next morning to get the next lot. but the funniest thing of all was that the flat she was going in, the floor area was less than the one she'd left. . the only gain she'd got was it was about another two or three foot up to the ceiling. . -and that that li literally was what we did. +and that that li literally was what we did. i mean she was chuffed. she thought it was great, marvellous, you know she was very pleased with us. i bet she was at that price. and she was a marvellous woman, you know wonderful. but all i mean the shoes and the lot and everything. nothing went at all. -so y you see there's another s strange funny thing that can happen you see. +so y you see there's another s strange funny thing that can happen you see. and this is ordinary days . -have you ever sorry neal. +have you ever sorry neal. have you ever gone to remove someone and they've been still been in bed or been having their breakfast or something you know? or something like that yes .. . @@ -33610,7 +33581,7 @@ or something like that yes .. or making a meal of it y making a meal it you mean? yes. . -oh yes, i mean very often i mean er you often go you very often. +oh yes, i mean very often i mean er you often go you very often. i mean if somebody rings you up and says how much will it cost? if it's er a sort of full removal you're doing, you say well are you packing or aren't you? because if you're packing then we'll dr bring er the forty boxes out fore beforehand. we don't use tea chests, incidentally, we use we wine boxes that we get from wine merchants, empty ones. @@ -33621,8 +33592,8 @@ you carry it out, and as long as the lid as long as you pack stuff so that the t and again a man a removal man you see can leave cardboard boxes, you don't need to have them by, we'll collect them if you want. but on the other hand as is often the case, there's so much that you've got you don't need, that when you finish your removal you want a whole lot of boxes in the corner out the way until you've sorted er everything else out. so th that can happen. -but if people don't pack, as was the example of this job to this last week that took till erm the time it was it was four o'clock as i said when they finished. -erm that would have been much much quicker if they'd bothered and organized them but they hadn't organized anything. +but if people don't pack, as was the example of this job to this last week that took till erm the time it was it was four o'clock as i said when they finished. +erm that would have been much much quicker if they'd bothered and organized them but they hadn't organized anything. they were just there. and the i suppose they expected to whirl round like that and all go into the er the the boxes. and that's why it took a long long time. @@ -33634,7 +33605,7 @@ cos then they take any shape up you see. when you put them on board they just will change shape so they'll fit in and they're marvellous for for packing in. and they're a way of getting a lot a lot of things in a in a in a space. er but that kind of thing can make such a difference, but people sometimes are, as you say,they're not prepared. -i mean i i once had a job, it was booked er now what do they call the road? +i mean i i once had a job, it was booked er now what do they call the road? i always forget the name of the road. you know marble arch, what's the long road that goes off marble arch? edgeware road. @@ -33652,7 +33623,7 @@ they went down in one day, unloaded the two separate loads, got round to number it was a shop. and when we think about it, edgeware road, number seven, it is pretty early on, i ought to have realized, but i didn't know london well enough then. so we went into the shop, said sorry to bother you, but mr so-and-so er number seven is there a flat upstairs? -no, it's our storeroom upstairs. +no, it's our storeroom upstairs. it was only a two- storey building. er well we're after oh there's nobody li nobody lives here at number seven edgeware road. somebody would've been drunk that night you see, half past nine at night, thought it was a good trick. @@ -33679,20 +33650,20 @@ you put them edgeways up and you put newspaper in between. and we usually say anything that you think is too fragile, let us pack. and when we get there, there's probably four or five boxes to pack, but the rest is done, like books and crockery and things like th normal crockery. it can save immense time. -and we've not had i i must say that over the years i might have had two cases perhaps when there's been a query with regard to that in terms of packing. +and we've not had i i must say that over the years i might have had two cases perhaps when there's been a query with regard to that in terms of packing. we've not had that problem. but some firms do, and then they won't f they won't pay obviously, because they don't think it's their problem . -nineteen sixty one . +nineteen sixty one . yeah. but that was the practice. but because labour related to cost of the total has gone up so much, er i i most people now prepared to pack would prefer to do. there is a s distinct advantage of course is when you get to the other end if you've labelled it all or you know y what you've put into which box, you know what you want out immediately, like the kettle. -as we all look er c hopefully you know . +as we all look er c hopefully you know . . like the kettle you see. -or else you er er er you you know well i won't need that, it can all go in the corner. +or else you er er er you you know well i won't need that, it can all go in the corner. i mean when i moved i had stuff in here before the upstairs was used, i had it for about a year or so, before i opened it up . -do you do you pr pr er er erm supply boxes in advance? +do you do you pr pr er er erm supply boxes in advance? yes, oh yes. yeah i mean if it's somebody wanting to move a three-piece suite and just a few books, no, we'd do it at the time. but if it's a proper removal job we're doing then yes we would. @@ -33704,9 +33675,9 @@ would be a different matter you see. gateshead. yes. . -how do you suggest pack glasses then? +how do you suggest pack glasses then? erm well when you're getting to glasses, erm there is a way. -if you take erm depends on the shape of them, but very often if you put a piece of newspaper round and then face the corner of one into the into you could put one into the bottom of the next and do it in a square. +if you take erm depends on the shape of them, but very often if you put a piece of newspaper round and then face the corner of one into the into you could put one into the bottom of the next and do it in a square. so one goes into there and the next one'll go at forty five de like that. so the who th one goes into there, if it's a cup shall we say, a cup goes in the opening of that cup goes into the corner of that, oh i see, yeah. @@ -33729,7 +33700,7 @@ we can't drive our vans like you do your car out the car park you know. . . yeah. -get forty miles an hour down . +get forty miles an hour down . yes, yeah. . i remember one thing, talking about things falling out and one of we had to go and pick up erm er er there was a great business you know about these er what are they called these these games. not not billiards, what is it now? @@ -33740,7 +33711,7 @@ pool . pool. pool tables. we used to deliver them to various different places where they were rented out. -and then of course they the the the fashion died out and the owner had to get his pool tables back. +and then of course they the the the fashion died out and the owner had to get his pool tables back. and very often the people wouldn't pay the rent for them you see, so they weren't very happy weren't the people u losing the pool table, but the owner was saying sorry you're not paying your rent enough, we're not getting enough out of the machine, i want it back. and the he sent one of my lads we used to do a lot in the area for him, and obviously he can't afford to spend too much so h we sent one man in the little van to get this pool table from a working man's club in new in er nottingham. got all the way there, he'd been told that they'd help er him out, cos they're big heavy things, you need at least two to three people to get them out. @@ -33750,28 +33721,28 @@ so when willy said well could do you mind givi he he told him to sod off, you se he said no no, you c get it you you're come to collect it, you you bloody take it yourself. so poor willy was left in a situation where there was nobody to help him out with the f a full pool table for which he couldn't get the key. the money was in, the balls were in, everything was inside so he couldn't. -he went outside, used his initiative, and found some poor chap who'd give him a hand with it you see . -so they w they came out of this working man's club on top of this hill pulled out the whole thing and all the balls rolled out . -and how many are there in a pool table? +he went outside, used his initiative, and found some poor chap who'd give him a hand with it you see . +so they w they came out of this working man's club on top of this hill pulled out the whole thing and all the balls rolled out . +and how many are there in a pool table? god knows, fifteen or something like that, i don't know, something like that. and they all rolled down the street -and down the road and they were all rolling down . +and down the road and they were all rolling down . and fortunately again you often find that people, because it's a novel situation, it's amazing how the public are c often so helpful. -and all these people into the road +and all these people into the road . -risking their lives and coming back with the whole lot that he collected and brought back again. +risking their lives and coming back with the whole lot that he collected and brought back again. and we got it back alright. one of the funny things that did er talking about the kettle though is that er er the number of times on full removals where you know with my re little removals you've only got ten foot front to back, but some of these vans are huge, there's there's there's twenty to thirty foot of van virtually to front. and one of the psychological advantages of working on light removals is that whenever you're doing it you can see the front of the van you know. you can pack it up, but you can still see the front so you know how near you're getting to the end of your job. -but when you've moved a five-bedroomed house which has got a grand piano in it as well, and you're about twenty to thirty foot at the back and all you can see is furniture furniture furniture furniture furniture, you can imagine as you go on you're thinking god will we ever get to this? +but when you've moved a five-bedroomed house which has got a grand piano in it as well, and you're about twenty to thirty foot at the back and all you can see is furniture furniture furniture furniture furniture, you can imagine as you go on you're thinking god will we ever get to this? and er d you n really ne you need you need a bottle of champagne by the side of you when you reach the stage when suddenly you can see the front of the van. we've had situations like that where you've packed right to the back, and then the lady can't find her keys. . they're in her handbag of course. and her handbag was in a box in the kitchen in the first box that you put in the van. . -and it's it i seriously, it has happened a few i in my experience over the years i can remember it happening to me at least half a dozen times. +and it's it i seriously, it has happened a few i in my experience over the years i can remember it happening to me at least half a dozen times. and so you've got to be like a bloody monkey and you've got to climb up the side of the van and climb along the side of the van without damaging any of the furniture right to the front to find the box to bring it back again. and of course it th it's more often done that with the kettle of course, so that it's it by the time you get to the end of the job you don't want a cup of tea anyway. . @@ -33780,7 +33751,6 @@ and then you could go on all night. . . no certainly you couldn't, i'm sure you couldn't. - do have a seat, i'm trying to do eight things at once as usual. only eight ? @@ -33791,10 +33761,10 @@ oh it feels like yeah, extensions going on there, builders there,now your insura that's all very well but the hospital haven't written to me yet, so i've not got my appointment through until the fifth of october. oh well they are complete then, oh that's okay then. -but the insurance company +but the insurance company about this little thing at the back of the eye? yeah. -oh well i'll keep the insurance company er i w er we will send them a little note in that case, saying look, you know, this is the case, it appears to be an innocent lesion she's just been finely checked over on the eighth of october, do you feel you can now proceed? +oh well i'll keep the insurance company er i w er we will send them a little note in that case, saying look, you know, this is the case, it appears to be an innocent lesion she's just been finely checked over on the eighth of october, do you feel you can now proceed? i mean they they they've given me insurance but it's oh right, so you are covered ? @@ -33809,7 +33779,7 @@ well i'll i'll erm well if you've got the insurance the be the best thing to do a letter to insurance company. yeah. fifth -of october, the +of october, the hospital review over , okay. so we'll do that. now. @@ -33859,11 +33829,11 @@ six packets of dianette wonderful, thank you very much. okay and i'll talk to your insurance company as soon as this letter comes through,hopefully right. -this won't be far off now. +this won't be far off now. six weeks. well. yes max s six seven -about seven weeks okay. +about seven weeks okay. when you go i should actually ask them if they could write promptly because of this pending. yes i will. @@ -33878,16 +33848,15 @@ good. thanks very much. that's okay. b - -the clergy daughters' school at cowan bridge run by the reverend william . +the clergy daughters' school at cowan bridge run by the reverend william . charles and emily followed a couple of months later. maria was eleven, elizabeth, nine, charlotte, eight, and emily, six. -but the reverend was fiercely repressive of the children's spirit, the food was very poor and the girls were often starved and cold . +but the reverend was fiercely repressive of the children's spirit, the food was very poor and the girls were often starved and cold . well starved and stark because yes. yes. starved at least. -erm, i'm sure erm abby is, is supposed to be a fairly accurate representation of what it was like at school. +erm, i'm sure erm abby is, is supposed to be a fairly accurate representation of what it was like at school. maria developed t b, and died at home in eighteen twenty five, aged twelve. and elizabeth, a month later aged ten. and then their father brought charlotte and emily home for good. @@ -33898,39 +33867,39 @@ in eighteen thirty one charlotte was sent to the, to roe head school at murfield she left the following year having exhausted all the tuition the school could offer. in eighteen thirty five she returned as a teacher, her salary to pay for first emily's, and then anne's tuition there. in eighteen thirty seven emily became a governess, and then, so did anne and charlotte. -in forty one, charlotte and emily travelled to brussels to become pupils at the mes en des occasion pour les jeune desmoiselles er, charlotte fell in love with the principal, but he didn't reciprocate. -erm and she returned, when she returned as a teacher without emily in forty three. -and she returned home desolate the following year . -er, i'm sure you remember about anne's little erm, encounters and thorpe green, and how branwell got into trouble. +in forty one, charlotte and emily travelled to brussels to become pupils at the mes en des occasion pour les jeune desmoiselles er, charlotte fell in love with the principal, but he didn't reciprocate. +erm and she returned, when she returned as a teacher without emily in forty three. +and she returned home desolate the following year . +er, i'm sure you remember about anne's little erm, encounters and thorpe green, and how branwell got into trouble. back home, together, finally, the sisters published their collective poems under the aliases of currer ellis, and acton bell in eighteen forty six. erm, in september eighteen forty eight, branwell died of t b aged thirty one. in december, emily, aged thirty, and in may, forty nine, anne aged twenty nine. charlotte was then left alone with her father. she wrote shirley, and villette. became very well known, and a friend of mrs gaskell. -married her father's curate, against his snobbish wishes, in eighteen fifty four the reverend arthur bell nicholls. +married her father's curate, against his snobbish wishes, in eighteen fifty four the reverend arthur bell nicholls. honeymooned in ireland where her husband came from. and died almost certainly of excessive sickness in pregnancy aged thirty nine. er, her father lived on for another six years. and nicholls returned to his family home in ireland. the professor was published posthumously in eighteen fifty seven . i'm sure this is all very familiar territory. -brontes' lives are almost sort of erm part of british history aren't they? +brontes' lives are almost sort of erm part of british history aren't they? you know . right. -erm would anyone like to give us a plot resume in jane eyre? +erm would anyone like to give us a plot resume in jane eyre? i could read it from the oxford history of english literature if nobody wants to do it. shall i read it? yes. the heroine, a penniless orphan has been left to the care of her aunt, mrs reed. harsh and unsympathetic treatment rouses her defiant spirit and a passionate outbreak leads to her consignment to lowood institution. -there, consoled for the severity of the regime by the kindness of the superintendent miss temple, and a fellow orphan, helen burns she dies in jane's arms of, who dies in jane's arms of consumption she spends her miserable years, eventually becoming a teacher. +there, consoled for the severity of the regime by the kindness of the superintendent miss temple, and a fellow orphan, helen burns she dies in jane's arms of, who dies in jane's arms of consumption she spends her miserable years, eventually becoming a teacher. on miss temple's marriage, she obtains a post as governess at thornfield hall, to adele the illegitimate daughter of mr rochester, a byronic hero of grim aspect and sardonic temper. rochester, despite jane's plainness, is fascinated by her sharp wit and independence, and they fall in love. after much resistance, she agrees to marry him. but -on the eve of their wedding her wedding veil is rent by an intruder, who rochester assures her is a servant grace poole but who is the next day revealed to be his mad creole wife bertha, confined to the upper regions of the hall for years, whose unseen presence has long disturbed jane. +on the eve of their wedding her wedding veil is rent by an intruder, who rochester assures her is a servant grace poole but who is the next day revealed to be his mad creole wife bertha, confined to the upper regions of the hall for years, whose unseen presence has long disturbed jane. the marriage ceremony is interrupted by mrs rochester's brother from the west indies. and despite rochester's full confession and pleadings with jane to stay with him, she flees. after nearly perishing on the moors, she is taken in and cared for by the reverend st john rivers and his sisters mary and diana. @@ -33945,11 +33914,11 @@ yes. immediately! well i may say so. yes do. -i understood rochester said to jane that he wasn't sure er, his french had spent so many +i understood rochester said to jane that he wasn't sure er, his french had spent so many mhm. men that he, he didn't even know if it was his. that's right. -and i had the impression that, he just adopted this child through sheer sorrow and sympathy for her but, did not say, erm, categorically that that was his. +and i had the impression that, he just adopted this child through sheer sorrow and sympathy for her but, did not say, erm, categorically that that was his. no. he calls her his board. erm @@ -33962,11 +33931,11 @@ but, he, he, does make it plain to jane that he doesn't know no. yes. if adele is his daughter? -and this one says, quite emphatically, that is was. +and this one says, quite emphatically, that is was. yes. mm. that's right. -also, helen burns isn't an orphan if you remember. +also, helen burns isn't an orphan if you remember. oh yes! yes. she's actually got a father. @@ -33974,7 +33943,7 @@ yes. yes. mm mm. erm -and actually, er, it doesn't, it implies that her it's, of the lowood , but in fact er it improved because they had an outbreak of erm typhus didn't they? +and actually, er, it doesn't, it implies that her it's, of the lowood , but in fact er it improved because they had an outbreak of erm typhus didn't they? that's right. yes. i mean @@ -33995,9 +33964,9 @@ yeah. and also, it implies at, at the end that erm, jane and rochester meet at thornfield hall, and they don't, they meet ferndean. his other property if you remember? yes. -when er, when he goes to live afterwards. +when er, when he goes to live afterwards. yes. -i mean, i know it's hard it's hard doing erm +i mean, i know it's hard it's hard doing erm yes! and she wasn't going to marry, she never really considered marrying rivers did she? it said she was on the verge of marriage. @@ -34024,7 +33993,7 @@ who would? he was such a pompous pig anyway! he was terrible wasn't he? yeah. -erm, i'm sure you know of this novel anyway, but just in case you don't, jean rhys er has written wide sargasso sea. +erm, i'm sure you know of this novel anyway, but just in case you don't, jean rhys er has written wide sargasso sea. telling the story, as she imagined it of the mad wife. oh! yes. @@ -34044,7 +34013,7 @@ yes. and if you're interested in spin-offs, from stories, i can think it's it's a very nice book. it is, yes. -it gives a, it gives an idea of erm what rochester did want. +it gives a, it gives an idea of erm what rochester did want. exactly. it put bertha's case. yes! @@ -34064,34 +34033,34 @@ jean rhys wrote yeah. a separate novel oh! -telling taking a character out of jane eyre +telling taking a character out of jane eyre the maddened wife? the mad wife yeah. and imagining what her life was like before she married him. -erm the novel, the second preface the second edition of the novel was dedicated to william thackeray who charlotte admired tremendously. +erm the novel, the second preface the second edition of the novel was dedicated to william thackeray who charlotte admired tremendously. mm mm. -with a sort of tragic turn of fate, she did not know he had a mad wife. -erm erm, and er, i don't know whether thackeray presumably he realized she didn't know. -well in the third one she does mention er, this explanation was served directly by mistake should been made. +with a sort of tragic turn of fate, she did not know he had a mad wife. +erm erm, and er, i don't know whether thackeray presumably he realized she didn't know. +well in the third one she does mention er, this explanation was served directly by mistake should been made. ah! right. -so, possibly she's faced that. +so, possibly she's faced that. yes. erm, the no the reception of the novel. it was published in eighteen forty seven, in october, under the name currer bell. the second edition was printed two months later, and the third, the following spring. she achieved popular success at once. -and it was claimed as powerful, fresh, original, vigorous and truthful. +and it was claimed as powerful, fresh, original, vigorous and truthful. she was amir admired by english and french critics as well as the reading public. -although, some critics termed the novel coarse meaning different things, some of them. -some meant, outspoken frank, too frank the inappropriate placing of passion in a poor plain girl's mouth . +although, some critics termed the novel coarse meaning different things, some of them. +some meant, outspoken frank, too frank the inappropriate placing of passion in a poor plain girl's mouth . now, if that wasn't what charlotte bronte was pleading for, i don't know what it was. and, that the novel attacked both propriety and the upper classes quite needlessly erm, there are a few interesting quotations on the reception of the novel. -one or two people who are always worth hearing if you can bear with me. +one or two people who are always worth hearing if you can bear with me. thackeray. -writing to erm, w s williams, a friend. +writing to erm, w s williams, a friend. i wish you hadn't sent me jane eyre! it interested me so much that i've lost, or won, if you like, the whole day of reading it at the busiest period with the printers i know, waiting for copy! who the author can be, i can't guess. @@ -34100,19 +34069,19 @@ it is a fine book, though. the man and woman capital, a style very generous and upright, so to speak. i thought it was kingly for some time. the plot of the story is one with which i am familiar. -some of the love passages made me cry to the astonishment of john who came in with the coals. -st john, the missionary is a failure i think but a good failure. +some of the love passages made me cry to the astonishment of john who came in with the coals. +st john, the missionary is a failure i think but a good failure. there are parts, excellent. i don't know why i tell you this, but that i have been exceedingly moved and pleased by jane eyre. it is a woman's writing, but whose? -give my respect and thanks to the author, whose novel is the first english one and the french are only romances now, that i have been able to read for many a day . +give my respect and thanks to the author, whose novel is the first english one and the french are only romances now, that i have been able to read for many a day . mm. -erm the next one comes from the spectator magazine. +erm the next one comes from the spectator magazine. essentially, jane eyre, an autobiography, has some resemblance to those sculptures of the middle ages in which considerable ability, both mechanical and mental, was often displayed upon subjects that had no existence in nature. and as far as delicacy was concerned were not pleasing in themselves. there is indeed none of their literal impossibilities or grotesqueness. we do not meet the faces of foxes or writers under clerical hoods, neither is there anything of physical grossness. -but with clear conceptions distinctly presented a metaphysical consistency in the characters and their conduct, and considerable power in the execution, the whole is unnatural, and only critically interesting. +but with clear conceptions distinctly presented a metaphysical consistency in the characters and their conduct, and considerable power in the execution, the whole is unnatural, and only critically interesting. there is one fault too, in jane eyre, from which the artists of the middle ages were free, too much of artifice. their mastery of their art was too great to induce them to resort to trick to tell their story. in the fiction edited by currer bell, there is rather too much of this. @@ -34123,14 +34092,14 @@ the fiction belongs to that school where minute anatomy of the mind predominates the last being made subordinate to description or the display of character. a story which contains nothing beyond itself is a very narrow representation of human life. jane eyre is this. -if we admit it to be true but its truth is not probable in the principal incidence, and still less in the manner in which the characters influence the incidents, so as to produce conduct. +if we admit it to be true but its truth is not probable in the principal incidence, and still less in the manner in which the characters influence the incidents, so as to produce conduct. there is a low tone of behaviour, rather of morality in the book. and what is worse than all, neither the heroine nor hero attracts sympathy. the reader cannot see anything lovable in mr rochester, nor why he should be so deeply in love with jane eyre. so that we have intense emotion without cause. the book, however, displays considerable skill in the plan on great power, but rather shown in the writing than the matter, and this vigour sustains a species of interest to the last. although minute, and somewhat sordid, the first act of a fiction is the most truthful, especially the scenes at the philanthropic school. -there are many parts of greater energy in jane eyre, than, none equal to the following and the quotation is the death of helen burns. +there are many parts of greater energy in jane eyre, than, none equal to the following and the quotation is the death of helen burns. oh yeah. oh! what a jaundiced criticism! @@ -34139,11 +34108,11 @@ terrible! that's the spectator magazine. that's the one that jane eyre, er not jane eyre, jane austen attacks in northanger abbey. yes. -erm that's the one that, wanted respectability, acceptance amongst respectable citizens, very much and said that it would never print anything that would bring a blush to the cheek of a young +erm that's the one that, wanted respectability, acceptance amongst respectable citizens, very much and said that it would never print anything that would bring a blush to the cheek of a young oh! girl. so that's the spectator for you. -but rochester did er did er, when he was trying to rebuke himself for committing what was bigamy, and the works, he said, when he compared his own wife, who was really a mental animal because she very bestial the way she bit people, and then, he compared her with this sweet, dewy-eyed jane, he did give a reason didn't he? +but rochester did er did er, when he was trying to rebuke himself for committing what was bigamy, and the works, he said, when he compared his own wife, who was really a mental animal because she very bestial the way she bit people, and then, he compared her with this sweet, dewy-eyed jane, he did give a reason didn't he? he did. actually i don't you know. @@ -34161,16 +34130,16 @@ either way, you are totally bound by what mm. your father is. mm. -and it seems to me that in looking for in rochester da rochester's admission that he wants a woman who is opposite from bertha +and it seems to me that in looking for in rochester da rochester's admission that he wants a woman who is opposite from bertha that's right. he's still tied to his first wife. -he's got to come to learn to appreciate jane for herself not because she isn't what bertha is. +he's got to come to learn to appreciate jane for herself not because she isn't what bertha is. oh well, yes. and he was he wasn't cast er, sort of er, trying to convince her, not forcibly, that erm, you know, she should bend the rules and, and be his wife. oh yes! you know, in other words that's right. -forget all your principles and marry me because er she is an animal. +forget all your principles and marry me because er she is an animal. you know yes. and you must accept the fact that she's an animal knowing that @@ -34188,24 +34157,24 @@ i mean that's right. jane being jane would never, never have done it. no. -and it's only because you said, previously er, that she was a sort of feminist that when, he said do this do that and she said very frankly to him do you think just because i'm going to marry you i shall commit ? +and it's only because you said, previously er, that she was a sort of feminist that when, he said do this do that and she said very frankly to him do you think just because i'm going to marry you i shall commit ? did you re did you see that? yes. -now if you hadn't have said so liz i wouldn't have realized that she was trying to, you know, er probe her individuality and er women had a a place. +now if you hadn't have said so liz i wouldn't have realized that she was trying to, you know, er probe her individuality and er women had a a place. i don't, i don't think a mm. -i don't think the word erm erm tt! +i don't think the word erm erm tt! feminism? -feminism can be applied because if, +feminism can be applied because if, no. she has kept the character and principle -tha that make that make her take those particular roles that she does. -there is one passage in which she erm pleads for women not to be kept in such narrow confines, social confines that their matters +tha that make that make her take those particular roles that she does. +there is one passage in which she erm pleads for women not to be kept in such narrow confines, social confines that their matters oh yes! are not only making puddings and sewing blankets that's right. and that sort of thing. -and when he tries to take +and when he tries to take when he tries to when she wants to be an equal. , she she @@ -34218,7 +34187,7 @@ yes. you know, she's got mm. to come as his wife. -he gets really you know, into a paddy almost! +he gets really you know, into a paddy almost! i think i can yes. almost see him sort of getting more and more annoyed just because she won't accept what he says. @@ -34236,15 +34205,15 @@ it does remark he is indeed. quite early in the book that there was a certain coldness about his christianity. mm. -and he, she said, she wasn't quite sure that it was a warmth or a a real passion for +and he, she said, she wasn't quite sure that it was a warmth or a a real passion for mm. -human beings, it was just a almost clinical, i think it used the word there. +human beings, it was just a almost clinical, i think it used the word there. yes. st john's christianity is yes. absolutely and a need for a power. -i mean, that's why he's presumably chosen what he wants to do, and th and the description at the end of the way he he led his life while he was overseas quite incredible ! +i mean, that's why he's presumably chosen what he wants to do, and th and the description at the end of the way he he led his life while he was overseas quite incredible ! i mean, everybody a o clearly had to jump to his tune! mm. yes. @@ -34272,27 +34241,27 @@ with a sort of totem face mm. stuck on top. yes. -she looks all the way up at him cos she's only +she looks all the way up at him cos she's only ominous. . -erm, st john, towards the end of the novel is described as erm he, when he's asked jane and she pleads for quarter of hour's time to think +erm, st john, towards the end of the novel is described as erm he, when he's asked jane and she pleads for quarter of hour's time to think mhm. -about going to india with him as his wife he goes and lays down like a, a granite pillar +about going to india with him as his wife he goes and lays down like a, a granite pillar yes. she said, on the grass. yes. -and i think they're, they're linked by imagery, brocklehurst and st john. +and i think they're, they're linked by imagery, brocklehurst and st john. what i couldn't understand was that i was fascinated that when sorry! -when she said er erm, you know, he said you're not fit for love! +when she said er erm, you know, he said you're not fit for love! but then he, he insisted that she was gonna be his wife, which obviously, it was like a pent up frustration in him. but she was -pretty he, he wanted a +pretty he, he wanted a yes, but i, i got the impression he wanted her body! and, and that's the only reason why he wanted her there, that's the only reason why he could not accept her as a friend or an, as a companion. -and as a +and as a a man when she meets him. yes. but, thought he was a nasty thing @@ -34300,14 +34269,14 @@ we'll confuse one at a time! i think quite a lot of it, erm, books haven't mentioned this er frustrated erm feeling in the grant is that she's come out mm. -er er, erm that's true enough. +er er, erm that's true enough. yes. and i think the girls definitely saw, much that they loved patrick, they definitely, their branwell i mean oh! -erm, they saw him being indulged in a way they were not. +erm, they saw him being indulged in a way they were not. mm. -if they'd been brought up all, all girls maybe their fiction would have been different. -erm, i was talking more about frustrated sexual erm er feelings that er, they weren't allowed to you know, let go and in their way of life. +if they'd been brought up all, all girls maybe their fiction would have been different. +erm, i was talking more about frustrated sexual erm er feelings that er, they weren't allowed to you know, let go and in their way of life. no! i don't think there was any way in which, to let go. that, er @@ -34319,10 +34288,10 @@ all, they, they mm. all sorts of feelings. mm mm. -and their, their erm angria and gondal, these erm +and their, their erm angria and gondal, these erm mm. countries, they invented. -well some of them are then aren't they really. +well some of them are then aren't they really. i thought that st john was madly in love with the other girl. yes he was. @@ -34330,10 +34299,10 @@ the problem was yes. yes. he was, yes. -i thought, if he had any passion it was directed to her, not i don't think he had it and jane. +i thought, if he had any passion it was directed to her, not i don't think he had it and jane. he, he i think it was a -he got fifteen minutes in the of acting. +he got fifteen minutes in the of acting. i think it was a power struggle. i think jane, nobody, he'd not had a woman stand up to him like that before mm! @@ -34348,9 +34317,9 @@ the master. in any case, it was all so impersonal. wi he, he needed a helpmate yes. -and, cos she, if she wasn't going to marry him cos he was far too vain he couldn't have her. +and, cos she, if she wasn't going to marry him cos he was far too vain he couldn't have her. mm. -and she was reasonably bright, she could take his ideas and, and be a reasonable companion to him, er er, in his, in his partner duty. +and she was reasonably bright, she could take his ideas and, and be a reasonable companion to him, er er, in his, in his partner duty. so she'd, she'd do. she can come. mm. @@ -34367,13 +34336,13 @@ mm mm. well and so she always thought she was threatened. didn't er, rochester -but rochester didn't, er didn't think she was playing. +but rochester didn't, er didn't think she was playing. he thought, she had a, a gentleness and a grace. yes. but mm. there is a difference, a difference -though i expect it +though i expect it that yes. and prettiness. @@ -34397,57 +34366,57 @@ mm. mm. however, the book is interesting. only, i wish the characters would talk a little less like the heros and heroines of police reports . -oh that's quite -before we go onto that, erm how far do you think jane eyre supported this idea? -i mean, she sort of flew the kite as it were with you know, if the wife was erm presumably the husband in other cases was mad beyond belief it was a good reason for casting her off. +oh that's quite +before we go onto that, erm how far do you think jane eyre supported this idea? +i mean, she sort of flew the kite as it were with you know, if the wife was erm presumably the husband in other cases was mad beyond belief it was a good reason for casting her off. how far do you think she went along with it? -i mean, she could have been er in love with rochester but it looks to me like a beginning of an idea, you know, that er there are circumstances in which she er +i mean, she could have been er in love with rochester but it looks to me like a beginning of an idea, you know, that er there are circumstances in which she er in which divorce would be possible? yes. erm do you think she supported it? -or do you think she just put it there for the argument? +or do you think she just put it there for the argument? i think she to go with the character. erm -i mean bertha represents erm the dark side, if you like, of rochester's life. -you have a contrast between rochester and st john rivers don't you? +i mean bertha represents erm the dark side, if you like, of rochester's life. +you have a contrast between rochester and st john rivers don't you? as the two mm. men who proposed to jane. -and you have rochester who has erm he's not exactly been a degenerate and he has shown some restraint, he has cared for this wife, he's brought her home. -and he's cared for this offspring. +and you have rochester who has erm he's not exactly been a degenerate and he has shown some restraint, he has cared for this wife, he's brought her home. +and he's cared for this offspring. mm. which may or may not yes. be his offspring. -and at the end he shows enormous courage +and at the end he shows enormous courage mm mm. when he tries to rescue her from the fire. -but bertha, if you like, represents the erm the unfettered side of rochester's lust passion, if you like. -er, whereas st john is as tightly controlled as a as a strong elastic band isn't he? +but bertha, if you like, represents the erm the unfettered side of rochester's lust passion, if you like. +er, whereas st john is as tightly controlled as a as a strong elastic band isn't he? mm mm. everything is held in like this with st john. with rochester it's been let go. mm. mhm. -erm i mean, i've personally, i think the novel is actually a journey. -erm i think that jane's erm journey towards independence is erm where she moving towards a position where, if you achieve a certain kind of independence, you can then choose to give it up. +erm i mean, i've personally, i think the novel is actually a journey. +erm i think that jane's erm journey towards independence is erm where she moving towards a position where, if you achieve a certain kind of independence, you can then choose to give it up. mm. and that's what she does. mm mm. it's not worth giving it up if you haven't chosen to give it up. mm. mhm. -it's a bit like being erm you know, you know, a christian isn't it? +it's a bit like being erm you know, you know, a christian isn't it? free born. -it's only worth it if it's personal, if you choose it. -it isn't worth it if it was foisted on you, or you inherited it's got to be a personal thing. -erm so i think jane's is a erm a spiritual journey with a psychological basis. -that link between childhood and adulthood that she shows that childhood terrors can affect adult biases, opinions. +it's only worth it if it's personal, if you choose it. +it isn't worth it if it was foisted on you, or you inherited it's got to be a personal thing. +erm so i think jane's is a erm a spiritual journey with a psychological basis. +that link between childhood and adulthood that she shows that childhood terrors can affect adult biases, opinions. now, in this introduction of this oh yes. -this is an old er er penguin. +this is an old er er penguin. yes. it, it says, almost what you're saying. oh does it? @@ -34459,17 +34428,17 @@ yes. it says erm the theme is an urgently felt personal one, an exploration of how a woman comes to maturity in the world of the writer's youth . er, erm, it goes on to explain, but i don't want to bother you. -but, er similar similar +but, er similar similar oh! -that's thank you. +that's thank you. it's always nice to know people agree with you isn't it? -i once +i once oh yes. for her mm? -mrs -you know, the er wife of the famous er literary critic. +mrs +you know, the er wife of the famous er literary critic. queenie leavis. oh yes! que queenie leavis. @@ -34485,7 +34454,7 @@ mm. well there you are! two minds, great minds. yes, that's right. -if you, if you look at all the men in the this book, i mean, to begin with the erm cousin, the boy when she +if you, if you look at all the men in the this book, i mean, to begin with the erm cousin, the boy when she horrible! was a child mm. @@ -34495,13 +34464,13 @@ yes. in this story. yes. and the girl. -and then the erm previous you know, the erm he, he was a revolting character and, rochester, of course, she didn't stay friends with. +and then the erm previous you know, the erm he, he was a revolting character and, rochester, of course, she didn't stay friends with. mm mm. erm, and then, and then you get erm, rivers, who's also a horrible character, although in a different way. -erm, they you wouldn't, you know, you'd imagine she didn't have a very opinion of the male sex altogether wouldn't you ? +erm, they you wouldn't, you know, you'd imagine she didn't have a very opinion of the male sex altogether wouldn't you ? yes. you would. -erm and you'd thi i mean,it's also true that she didn't know many. +erm and you'd thi i mean,it's also true that she didn't know many. no. yeah. that's true. @@ -34511,28 +34480,28 @@ mm mm. her father mm mm. mm. -and erm i mean there was th the curate who that she eventually married but, really they wouldn't know, they wouldn't have any male friends. -but she made up her mind, didn't she, that she had to publish this book under a man's name? +and erm i mean there was th the curate who that she eventually married but, really they wouldn't know, they wouldn't have any male friends. +but she made up her mind, didn't she, that she had to publish this book under a man's name? mm. -so she must have been really, had really deep feelings about what was going on in society and why she should do that. +so she must have been really, had really deep feelings about what was going on in society and why she should do that. yes. you know, i mean, er, that is why it's all coming out in the books, that's why the, all these men, she's sort of saying i'll get my own back now, you know! -i can have anything i want amongst +i can have anything i want amongst yes. -these vicious, nasty brutes not, yeah because -that they +these vicious, nasty brutes not, yeah because +that they she realized how she was living. mm. if they're brought up, i mean,th the child at the beginning is more sinned against than sinning, it's not his fault he's a pain in the backside, it's his brother! oh yes! it's him! -he's the one er a pa re well or a as you say, branwell was the same, brought up, he was spoiled rotten! +he's the one er a pa re well or a as you say, branwell was the same, brought up, he was spoiled rotten! yeah. yeah. and how can you expect to turn out reasonable? mm. mm. -so,sa her comment probably is erm on the upbringing rather than anything else. +so,sa her comment probably is erm on the upbringing rather than anything else. yeah. i mean, she doesn't mention this specifically, but, i mean, but mrs kissett @@ -34561,7 +34530,7 @@ they all get well their come-uppance ! they do in spite -er, mrs grant er, absolutely spoilt her own girls which she knows you know +er, mrs grant er, absolutely spoilt her own girls which she knows you know mrs reed. mrs reed mrs reed @@ -34578,7 +34547,7 @@ mm. erm, but i think he tended to leave the bringing up of the girls to his sister-in-law. oh! eileen. -er, and i mean, as was conventional in those days, you educate, your sons went to school and you try and, educated your girls at home, but the, the aunt put her foot down and said she wouldn't do it. +er, and i mean, as was conventional in those days, you educate, your sons went to school and you try and, educated your girls at home, but the, the aunt put her foot down and said she wouldn't do it. oh! aunt branwell. so that's why the girls went to cowan bridge. @@ -34588,45 +34557,45 @@ course! mm. really. mm. -but erm that didn't, no, that wasn't on offer for the girls. +but erm that didn't, no, that wasn't on offer for the girls. it wasn't available. -well that came up in anne in anne bronte's book as well didn't he? +well that came up in anne in anne bronte's book as well didn't he? yes. you know oh yes! -the position of women, i mean, they they were obviously all kicking against it, and +the position of women, i mean, they they were obviously all kicking against it, and they were, yes. helen huntingdon's statement yes! to gilbert markenham, his mother mm. yes, that happened. -that you would have boys go out with no forewarning, tripping over stumbling blocks here, there and everywhere and girls who are not even allowed to benefit from others' experience, let alone, have their own. +that you would have boys go out with no forewarning, tripping over stumbling blocks here, there and everywhere and girls who are not even allowed to benefit from others' experience, let alone, have their own. that's right. mm mm. mm. -erm having said that i think the novel is al is a spiritual journey erm not only jane's, i should say, but also rocheter rochester's. -erm, and i think it's also a journey towards independence, and a journey fro towards belonging, if you like from being an outcast to belonging. +erm having said that i think the novel is al is a spiritual journey erm not only jane's, i should say, but also rocheter rochester's. +erm, and i think it's also a journey towards independence, and a journey fro towards belonging, if you like from being an outcast to belonging. mm. oh yes! -er, she is unwanted, because she's different, because she's alien as a child, isn't she? +er, she is unwanted, because she's different, because she's alien as a child, isn't she? in the reed's household. she says, as an adult, looking back, i know why they didn't want me. mm. i was so different. and why they didn't like me. -erm and that's, of course, why she's so delighted when she finds that the rivers are her relations. +erm and that's, of course, why she's so delighted when she finds that the rivers are her relations. mhm. mm. er, and can share her, er, legacy with them. -erm and then, of course, in the end she belongs entirely to rochester. -and that's a free gift isn't it? +erm and then, of course, in the end she belongs entirely to rochester. +and that's a free gift isn't it? no, that's got horrible commercial overtones! i don't mean that. i mean, it's a, a gift freely given. he, he's brought her free choice. yes. -it seems to me that she's also saying, it's also a plea, on charlotte bronte's behalf to men, to want women who come to them developed, independent and +it seems to me that she's also saying, it's also a plea, on charlotte bronte's behalf to men, to want women who come to them developed, independent and mm. choose to give it up, as must the man, in mm. @@ -34647,15 +34616,15 @@ i would. no. oh. right. -erm speaking -rochester realizes her worth doesn't he? +erm speaking +rochester realizes her worth doesn't he? he does, yes. mm. very much so. he does. yes. -erm and they are both -passionate people. +erm and they are both +passionate people. mm. and he was very changed. yes. @@ -34666,7 +34635,7 @@ cos she looked after him so yes. but he was very arrogant in the beginning. erm, let's look at a few quotations. -er, i don't suppose anybody's got the copy i've got which is from a jumble sale. +er, i don't suppose anybody's got the copy i've got which is from a jumble sale. erm, the zodiac press. i've never heard of it before, but no? @@ -34674,12 +34643,12 @@ no, right. so we are the end of chapter six. i've just got that, chapter six. the end, the end. -paragraph beginning, helena speaking she has been, been unkind to you. +paragraph beginning, helena speaking she has been, been unkind to you. right at the end, last page. yes? are we all there? -jane has just told helen burns her story. -and i think she's just been erm has she been humiliated by him yet? +jane has just told helen burns her story. +and i think she's just been erm has she been humiliated by him yet? no. perhaps she hasn't. erm,well, i asked impatiently, is not mrs reed a hard-hearted bad woman ? @@ -34695,78 +34664,78 @@ the impalpable principle of life and thought, pure as when it left the creator t whence it came it will return, perhaps again, to be communicated to some being higher than man, perhaps to pass through gradations of glory from the pale human soul to brighten the seraph. surely, it will never, on the contrary be suffered to je to degenerate from man to fiend? no, i cannot believe that. -i hold another creed, which no one ever taught me and which i seldom mention, but in which i delight and to which i cling, for it extends hope to all, it makes eternity a rest a mighty home, not a terror and an abyss. -besides, with this creed i can so clearly distinguish between the criminal and his crime, i can so sincerely forgive the first, while i abhor the last with this creed revenge never worries my heart, degradation never too deeply disgusts me, injustice never crushes me too low, i live in calm looking to the end . -now, we've seen jane as a passionate, spirited outspoken little girl haven't we? -quite justifiably i +i hold another creed, which no one ever taught me and which i seldom mention, but in which i delight and to which i cling, for it extends hope to all, it makes eternity a rest a mighty home, not a terror and an abyss. +besides, with this creed i can so clearly distinguish between the criminal and his crime, i can so sincerely forgive the first, while i abhor the last with this creed revenge never worries my heart, degradation never too deeply disgusts me, injustice never crushes me too low, i live in calm looking to the end . +now, we've seen jane as a passionate, spirited outspoken little girl haven't we? +quite justifiably i mm. think. she really has been treated badly at the reeds. -and we're beginning to see her a co coming under helen's influence. +and we're beginning to see her a co coming under helen's influence. mm mm. being tempered by helen. -i think the first evidence we have of that, is when brocklehurst has placed her on the stool and publicly humiliated her. -and this miss temple asks her in her well in her own study, to tell her story. -and bearing in mind, helen's advice she doesn't er, express all the resentment she once felt or se or the er, let her speech run away with her. +i think the first evidence we have of that, is when brocklehurst has placed her on the stool and publicly humiliated her. +and this miss temple asks her in her well in her own study, to tell her story. +and bearing in mind, helen's advice she doesn't er, express all the resentment she once felt or se or the er, let her speech run away with her. mm. and she is wholly believed because of that. mm. mm. mm. -in my book, the notes, er from out of this i have another a er ano i have creed, it's got charlotte bronte's own belief. +in my book, the notes, er from out of this i have another a er ano i have creed, it's got charlotte bronte's own belief. mm. yes. and anne's too, i think. -if you remember this, er, the death of erm huntingdon? +if you remember this, er, the death of erm huntingdon? mm mm. when the tenant of wildfowl hall mm. mm. -but at er, helen er fervently believed that his spirit would saved. +but at er, helen er fervently believed that his spirit would saved. that the creator would not, what was the, the saying? dispense with anything he hath made. -but erm and, charlotte believed it too, yes! +but erm and, charlotte believed it too, yes! mm yes? seem to be, in all these novels though, runs outs, a lot on lists of er, middle . there's always this sermonizing isn't there? -you know, that it helping to sort of make the reader er, the thing about . +you know, that it helping to sort of make the reader er, the thing about . well, christian virtues and duty were very closely erm that's right. er, related in, in victorian society, you know. yes. -it's some aspired to them, and some hypocro hypocritically sat behind them. -like brocklehurst coming in and and penny-pinching about what the girls should have and then his wife and daughters come in dressed in velvets and furs and so on. +it's some aspired to them, and some hypocro hypocritically sat behind them. +like brocklehurst coming in and and penny-pinching about what the girls should have and then his wife and daughters come in dressed in velvets and furs and so on. oh yes. -and retribution very often comes, i think, in the books in this life as well, they, i mean, again in middlemarch, i think you get your deserts don't you, and er +and retribution very often comes, i think, in the books in this life as well, they, i mean, again in middlemarch, i think you get your deserts don't you, and er you do. yes. -i mean, helen burn's plea here is not to be to eager for retribution to come in this life, but trust to it erm +i mean, helen burn's plea here is not to be to eager for retribution to come in this life, but trust to it erm in the next . -well, not to come in the next,but rather to you know, sort of leave it to a higher justice if you like. +well, not to come in the next,but rather to you know, sort of leave it to a higher justice if you like. cos she separated sin from the sinner in yes. exactly! yes. -which she has to learn to do in +which she has to learn to do in mm. the case of rochester isn't it? she has to learn to -separate his crime of attempted bigamy from his love for her. +separate his crime of attempted bigamy from his love for her. which she does. mm mm. -helen, of course, is based on depiction of helen, on maria bronte. +helen, of course, is based on depiction of helen, on maria bronte. oh! the eldest girl who died when she was twelve. mm. and who was a little mother mm. to the whole brood. -and they all where heartbroken +and they all where heartbroken mm. you know, when she died. must have been absolutely shattering wouldn't it? -erm right now, can following loosely this idea of spiritual development if you go to the end of chapter twenty four +erm right now, can following loosely this idea of spiritual development if you go to the end of chapter twenty four that goes into volume two does it? er, i haven't got them divided into oh, mine are in volumes. @@ -34778,7 +34747,7 @@ it's two hundred. have you got the same copy? well mine's er, i've got three and then six. yeah, have a look by all means, yes. -this is the +this is the there's plenty there. down there. three o two, in wo one of them, the twenty fourth. @@ -34789,24 +34758,24 @@ oh! ta. right. the last, paragraph of the chapter, twenty four. -this is a first period of courtship if you like. -erm when ah,jane in a sense is having to keep his passion at bay, his impatience er, for their wedding at bay, by teasing him. -yet, after all, my task was not an easy one often i would rather have pleased than teased him. +this is a first period of courtship if you like. +erm when ah,jane in a sense is having to keep his passion at bay, his impatience er, for their wedding at bay, by teasing him. +yet, after all, my task was not an easy one often i would rather have pleased than teased him. my future husband was becoming to me my whole world, and more than the world, almost my hope of heaven. he stood between me and every thought of religion as an eclipse intervenes between man and the broad sun. i could not in those days, see god for his creature, of whom i had made an idol . oh no! -danger isn't it? +danger isn't it? mm. those are the warning signs. it's too much. it's too much. -it can't, even had they married at this stage it would not have been right. +it can't, even had they married at this stage it would not have been right. even had he been unmarried. -because jane did not look on him as a, as a man but as an idol. +because jane did not look on him as a, as a man but as an idol. mm. she didn't know him well enough. -er, and i think that's an interesting point that, where yo where, when you read the story and you think really what prevented them marrying happily then, was bertha but it wasn't it was their attitudes to each other. +er, and i think that's an interesting point that, where yo where, when you read the story and you think really what prevented them marrying happily then, was bertha but it wasn't it was their attitudes to each other. mm. shall we break for a drink now? and @@ -34818,15 +34787,15 @@ mm! yes? for the sake of recording? we are -erm we have st john's proposal to her. -shall i read it very briefly it takes er time to to find it doesn't it? -er she but, as brother and sister erm simplify your complicated interest , st john says to her,feelings, thoughts, wishes, aims, merge all considerations in one purpose that of fulfilling with effect, with power, the mission of your great master. +erm we have st john's proposal to her. +shall i read it very briefly it takes er time to to find it doesn't it? +er she but, as brother and sister erm simplify your complicated interest , st john says to her,feelings, thoughts, wishes, aims, merge all considerations in one purpose that of fulfilling with effect, with power, the mission of your great master. to do so, you must have a coadjutor, not a brother, that is a loose tie, but a husband. i too, do not want a sister, a sister might any day be taken from me. i want a wife, the sole helpmeet i can influence efficiently in life and retain absolutely till death . well she describes that as like an iron shroud. turning . -and then a few pages on when she says, erm we must abandon the scheme of marriage. +and then a few pages on when she says, erm we must abandon the scheme of marriage. no! it, said he, it is a long-cherished scheme and the only one which can secure my great end . my great end? @@ -34841,7 +34810,7 @@ erm erm arrogance there. yes, religious arrogance, i don't know what is. -i mean he says he's he knows that he is erm poor material, that he's inadequate, inadequacies will be made up by god. +i mean he says he's he knows that he is erm poor material, that he's inadequate, inadequacies will be made up by god. oh! but, if you reject it, but it's not me you deny, but god. his ego is enormous! @@ -34849,14 +34818,14 @@ mm. erm beyond the truth. yes. -and it certainly makes you feel more favourably towards rochester doesn't it ? +and it certainly makes you feel more favourably towards rochester doesn't it ? yes i think so, yes. -erm, but that is, in a sense, part of jane's spiritual education isn't it? +erm, but that is, in a sense, part of jane's spiritual education isn't it? mm. she has to learn to distinguish betwe sh to, to recognize the falseness of that statement. mm. mm. -to sort god from st john rivers if you like. +to sort god from st john rivers if you like. and she does. mm. mm mm mm. @@ -34865,21 +34834,21 @@ she does, yes. yes. and, erm yes! -oh, i mean er, i know we can have different opinions on why we think st john is so adamant that she must be his wife i do think it's a power struggle. +oh, i mean er, i know we can have different opinions on why we think st john is so adamant that she must be his wife i do think it's a power struggle. i don't think he's come across any mm. so independently minded, as jane. -and he can't erm he can't quite live with that. +and he can't erm he can't quite live with that. he certainly isn't going to live with it independent. he's going to have it under his thumb. it did rather stretch but erm -my credulity when she wandered over the moors and she was at death's door, and she turned up at her cousins' +my credulity when she wandered over the moors and she was at death's door, and she turned up at her cousins' well hou house . yes. i mean it -is that, erm is, i mean we, we can look at that two ways, i mean +is that, erm is, i mean we, we can look at that two ways, i mean is that divine intervention? mm. erm, coincidence? @@ -34890,29 +34859,29 @@ well the psycho well the, the plot. the psychopathic communication at the end when they come together yes. -again, i mean that is stretching the bounds the belief a bit far. +again, i mean that is stretching the bounds the belief a bit far. well that is er i mean,cle clearly -yes, the voice of +yes, the voice of yes. mm. mind you, it, yes it did. -erm it, it, you know,th if she cle charlotte bronte clearly believes in divine intervention doesn't she? +erm it, it, you know,th if she cle charlotte bronte clearly believes in divine intervention doesn't she? and in, in the context of what sh of what she was writing mm. and when she was writing. yeah, i think it's fair enough. -i mean, it stretches our belief cos +i mean, it stretches our belief cos yes. we don't believe that you can yes. hear voices up above. is this the creed? i don't know. -i but i believe in telepathy. +i but i believe in telepathy. but of course, i, is that what -yes i believe in telepathy, but i don't believe in in g and i shall come +yes i believe in telepathy, but i don't believe in in g and i shall come yeah. to you and yes. @@ -34920,20 +34889,20 @@ he heard the voice say you can't, no oh no, not that both listened in at the time. dorothy? -although, i do think that probably erm, religion at that time er, could have been this very narrow, rigid +although, i do think that probably erm, religion at that time er, could have been this very narrow, rigid mm. kind of erm, idea. -i mean, the church preached, probably erm this kind of religion, or some of the churches +i mean, the church preached, probably erm this kind of religion, or some of the churches mm mm. did. mm. -you know, this sort puritan, i suppose erm you know, following the puritan tradition. +you know, this sort puritan, i suppose erm you know, following the puritan tradition. yes. but, they were very narrow, very rigid yes. and erm that's right. -cos you might say, that it was all for the sort of, poor old pe people down. +cos you might say, that it was all for the sort of, poor old pe people down. ooh, you could certainly say that, yes. mm. erm @@ -34950,8 +34919,8 @@ yes! yeah. mm. yes. -erm, in a sense you have, it, it's, it's erm a a spiral construction isn't it? -a sort of, a triangular if you like you start off with one position, represented by rochester, which is, too much passion, uncontrollable passion +erm, in a sense you have, it, it's, it's erm a a spiral construction isn't it? +a sort of, a triangular if you like you start off with one position, represented by rochester, which is, too much passion, uncontrollable passion mm. almost. i mean,a apart from bertha, i know he was tricked into it by his father and brother, that marriage, but he @@ -34960,7 +34929,7 @@ surely wouldn't have gone through it if bertha hadn't appealed to him. no. no. erm, if he hadn't wanted her, at least, at first . -well jean rhys says that she's a beauty. +well jean rhys says that she's a beauty. yes. absolutely! yes. @@ -34972,8 +34941,8 @@ yes. that didn't they? yeah. erm -there was -and then he has erm, erm madame varens, doesn't he? +there was +and then he has erm, erm madame varens, doesn't he? adele's oh yes. mother. @@ -34986,30 +34955,30 @@ oh yes. can't remember. yes. yeah. -erm and then we come, as it were, to the second position which is st john rivers +erm and then we come, as it were, to the second position which is st john rivers mm. who actually does fall in love who would have him oh! -and suppresses er rosamond oliver, suppresses that totally in his nature. +and suppresses er rosamond oliver, suppresses that totally in his nature. erm, for his religious mission. mm! -and then you come to rochester at the end erm oh well, i mean, without finding quotations erm he is the synthesis isn't it? +and then you come to rochester at the end erm oh well, i mean, without finding quotations erm he is the synthesis isn't it? he is the meeting of the two points. he mm -is erm you know, the, the the one erring lamb, if you like, that comes back. -and erm i mean, accepts jane, and thanks god and determines to be better. +is erm you know, the, the the one erring lamb, if you like, that comes back. +and erm i mean, accepts jane, and thanks god and determines to be better. you know, he reforms doesn't he? mm. but without any of the religious priggishness mm. that we've seen from st john rivers. -did he turn to jane eyre erm after he'd been rejected by erm the other woman, the oliver woman? +did he turn to jane eyre erm after he'd been rejected by erm the other woman, the oliver woman? no. no! -no, he'd ha she'd had it ? +no, he'd ha she'd had it ? yes. -i, i mean, i think he he shows her no encouragement +i, i mean, i think he he shows her no encouragement cos she went off with another chap instead of. yeah. @@ -35043,12 +35012,12 @@ he was yes. he was a hypocrite. hypocrite. -he, one of these people who allies their own opinions and feelings with the higher authority that they erm +he, one of these people who allies their own opinions and feelings with the higher authority that they erm with god. exactly! it's, it's that er in jane austen's that they were recognized. -er er, which one is +er er, which one is collins. collins. collins. @@ -35066,7 +35035,7 @@ yes! they? yes. lu lutheran agrees hypocrisy that kind of religion. -there is a such +there is a such yes. it's impossible to carry out. i knew one once. @@ -35076,7 +35045,7 @@ oh! i sympathize! yes. yes. -but, on the other hand i wonder how any of them were really, i mean er our own minister at our own church, he is extremely intellectual and very theological, and a wonderful man of compassion. +but, on the other hand i wonder how any of them were really, i mean er our own minister at our own church, he is extremely intellectual and very theological, and a wonderful man of compassion. these men were just given livelihoods weren't they? yes. mm. @@ -35115,17 +35084,17 @@ i'm informed it's usually the fourth. i don't, i don't know if it's it's the third or fourth. oh yes! -in charlotte . +in charlotte . . -but the, the a child a year +but the, the a child a year eighteen children yes. oh right. erm -let's come to the gothic in jane eyre, in why, in a sense,i it's in our reading lis it's on our reading list this term. +let's come to the gothic in jane eyre, in why, in a sense,i it's in our reading lis it's on our reading list this term. mhm mm. -let me read you a couple of paragraphs from er, an essay on the new gothic in jane eyre , by erm, and american critic called robert harman. -some years ago edmund wilson complained of writers of gothic who could fail to lay hold on the terrors that lie deep in the human soul and have caused man to fear himself. +let me read you a couple of paragraphs from er, an essay on the new gothic in jane eyre , by erm, and american critic called robert harman. +some years ago edmund wilson complained of writers of gothic who could fail to lay hold on the terrors that lie deep in the human soul and have caused man to fear himself. unquote. and proposed an anthology of horror stories that probe psychological cabins and find disquieting obsessions. this is precisely the direction in which charlotte bronte moved. @@ -35139,43 +35108,43 @@ both these latter definitions, though they are impractically inclusive, have sug for originally, gothic was one of the number of aesthetic developments which serve to breach the classical and rational order of life, and to make possible a kind of response, and a response to a kind of thing that among the knowing had long been taboo. in the novel it was the function of gothic to open horizons beyond social patterns, rational decisions, and institutionally approved emotions. in a word, to enlarge the sense of reality and its impact on the human being. -it became, then, a great liberator of feeling, but acknowledged the non-rational in the world of things and events, occasionally in the realm of the transcendental, ultimately, and most persistently in the depths of the human being. +it became, then, a great liberator of feeling, but acknowledged the non-rational in the world of things and events, occasionally in the realm of the transcendental, ultimately, and most persistently in the depths of the human being. the first gothic writers took the easy way. the excitement of mysterious scene and happening, which i call old gothic. of this, charlotte bronte made some direct use, while at the same time tending towards humorous modifications, which are anti-gothic. but what really counts is this indirect usefulness to her, it released her from the patterns of the novel of society and therefore, permitted the flowering of her real talent, a talent for finding and giving dramatic form to impulses and feelings which because of their depth, or mysteriousness, or intensity, or ambiguity, or of their ignoring or transcending every day norms of propriety or reason, increase wonderfully the sense of reality in a novel. to note the emergence of this new gothic in charlotte bronte, is not, i think, to pursue an old mode into dusty corners, but rather to identify historically the distinguishing, and the distinguished element in her work . -now let's look at the heroine in jane eyre. +now let's look at the heroine in jane eyre. and think of, er in the light of the heroines we've already discussed. -erm she is struggling out of dependence on others into independence isn't she? +erm she is struggling out of dependence on others into independence isn't she? which she then freely surrenders for love. she's spirited, restless, blunt, imaginative, clear sighted, principled and passionate. so that's my list of adjectives, you can certainly add more if you want to. and with a keen sense of injustice. -actually, that, childish keen sense of injustice i couldn't find anywhere else as strongly depicted, except in great expectations. +actually, that, childish keen sense of injustice i couldn't find anywhere else as strongly depicted, except in great expectations. do you know, when the young pip mm. as a boy mm. -and his sister married to joe gardurey, is bringing him up and she resents him. +and his sister married to joe gardurey, is bringing him up and she resents him. mhm. mm. -and she at bed time she gets hold of him by the scruff of the neck and +and she at bed time she gets hold of him by the scruff of the neck and mm. -bangs him upstairs so that his boots bang against the stairs at every step, he hasn't time to put his feet down! +bangs him upstairs so that his boots bang against the stairs at every step, he hasn't time to put his feet down! and he says, it wasn't my fault! mm. i was born, and it was not my fault i was there. don't you get the feeling of oliver twist? yes. -i think so to some extent. +i think so to some extent. mm mm. mm mm. it's, perhaps it's too long since i read oliver twist for me to remember it as clearly. but that's the, that's the idea that came to my mind anyway. pip in great expectations. -which is, i mean it, just you know, as literary connections these things do pop up in your mind. -erm i think of the heroines that we've studied, emily also perhaps we could include matilda from attranto erm, maude from uncle silas helen huntingdon from wildfowl hall, and helena, i would say, not rosa budd, she's not in this tradition +which is, i mean it, just you know, as literary connections these things do pop up in your mind. +erm i think of the heroines that we've studied, emily also perhaps we could include matilda from attranto erm, maude from uncle silas helen huntingdon from wildfowl hall, and helena, i would say, not rosa budd, she's not in this tradition mhm mm. but helena, from, the mystery of edwin drood i think jane is most like helen huntingdon. mm. @@ -35184,17 +35153,17 @@ mm. they were sisters . mm. er, the writers were sisters. -erm, although i think helena landless could have been in this tradition don't you? +erm, although i think helena landless could have been in this tradition don't you? she was certainly spirited enough. aha. mm. -erm i mean, it's a new position though isn't it? +erm i mean, it's a new position though isn't it? struggling out of dependence in order to freely give up your independence. we haven't come across that before have we? no. in a romance, gothic romance. well no. -but we know much more about erm jane eyre, than we do about helena +but we know much more about erm jane eyre, than we do about helena mm. landless yes. @@ -35221,11 +35190,11 @@ drawing our heroine. yeah, she grows doesn't she? mm, yes. mm. -but even helen huntingdon doesn't seek independence in order to freely give it up again. +but even helen huntingdon doesn't seek independence in order to freely give it up again. no. no. no, she doesn't. -she erm if, in a sense she's already fixed onto the next generation hasn't she? +she erm if, in a sense she's already fixed onto the next generation hasn't she? she wants to save arthur her son. mm mm. she wouldn't have sought her independence at all if it hadn't been at such. @@ -35238,9 +35207,9 @@ no. i don't think she would. but erm well why not? -jane eyre didn't really look upon erm, erm herself as giving up her independence er by marrying rochester did she? +jane eyre didn't really look upon erm, erm herself as giving up her independence er by marrying rochester did she? no. -and it was erm formed within herself really. +and it was erm formed within herself really. yes. yes. the other way around really isn't @@ -35255,7 +35224,7 @@ she wasn't er oh! i think that, i think she does make possibly, yeah. -it really clear though to him, when he says, in fact, i, their dialogue took away +it really clear though to him, when he says, in fact, i, their dialogue took away i'll be your eyes and all yes. that. @@ -35271,13 +35240,13 @@ and and his wife in that sense. she needs him mm. as much as he needs her. -but, after it all, she's gonna be the one that's going to need the erm the strength. +but, after it all, she's gonna be the one that's going to need the erm the strength. mm. yes. -it is her, erm moral strength, if you like +it is her, erm moral strength, if you like mm. yes. -and, er because she's +and, er because she's i can't think what she's giving up? mm. no, it's just fulfilment isn't it? @@ -35289,15 +35258,15 @@ i mean, she's, she's got a competence that yes, but what was her independence if she didn't marry him? well she could have been i mean where was, what would she have done? -i mean she could have probably had -which would have meant +i mean she could have probably had +which would have meant she didn't need to do anything she didn't want to! no,sh she had five thousand. yes i know she had a lot of money! but, what was she going to? she was a still a single woman. -but she wanted to actually +but she wanted to actually she was. in those times single women really didn't have much. she wanted to own her own shop. @@ -35319,7 +35288,7 @@ material mm. independence. mm. -they both had husbands +they both had husbands quite willingly. didn't they? so no doubt @@ -35328,7 +35297,7 @@ yes. so really i, she couldn't probably ever live on her own. yes. necessary. -i would say that she is the strongest woman er heroine that we've read. +i would say that she is the strongest woman er heroine that we've read. when you think of maude that's right. oh yes! @@ -35337,27 +35306,27 @@ mm. er, the compliant women, matilda and the oh! matilda was dreadful! -you know, but this is the +you know, but this is the yes. -first one who's stood up on her own +first one who's stood up on her own there's he helen huntingdon. absolutely! she did it too well didn't she? as much as that? yeah. yeah. -erm no +erm no no. i think jane eyre's stronger, but helen yes. yes. -huntingdon did stand up, and go against +huntingdon did stand up, and go against yes. erm, all the -the law and the er religious er instruction of the time didn't she? +the law and the er religious er instruction of the time didn't she? yes, she did. -i mean, didn't erm oh i can't remember his name. -that humbug of a of a curate not, not curate, er, vicar. +i mean, didn't erm oh i can't remember his name. +that humbug of a of a curate not, not curate, er, vicar. oh yes. in wildfowl hall who told her that really she ought not to have left her husband yes. @@ -35369,13 +35338,13 @@ mm mm. i think she was very, very good like that depicting yes. properties . -women out if anything, we se the first book we read was back in seventeen hundred +women out if anything, we se the first book we read was back in seventeen hundred that's right. yeah. go on. and it's a everybody was shown then yes. -the independence of women are getting more independent each by the century, decade, you know. +the independence of women are getting more independent each by the century, decade, you know. yes. and of course she was educated wasn't she? @@ -35384,18 +35353,18 @@ she had a good she had had a education. she had as well, yeah. -well it's -which meant that she was more liberal minded. +well it's +which meant that she was more liberal minded. yes. with her particular character it made her more liberal- minded mm. -and maybe she +and maybe she than the other ones, the elder ones. yes. yes, it did, yes. i mean i i -because it can't be so unusual for girls to be education in a se i mean, i just don't know anything this i it's a blank in my mind. +because it can't be so unusual for girls to be education in a se i mean, i just don't know anything this i it's a blank in my mind. but, if there was schools, like lowood mm mm. with good people at the head of them like miss temple, erm, then,th th it wouldn't be on its own. @@ -35435,24 +35404,24 @@ oh yes. erm, yes i mean, as i understand it, girls were expected to be educated at home by their mother yes. who would have been educated at home by her mother. -and, if those circumstances were not er, pertained, then the girls could be sent away to school. +and, if those circumstances were not er, pertained, then the girls could be sent away to school. mm. -erm, but i think we've got, we've got erm cowan bridge in the early part of lowood and i think we've got really roe head school at the end lowood, as it were. +erm, but i think we've got, we've got erm cowan bridge in the early part of lowood and i think we've got really roe head school at the end lowood, as it were. charlotte's second school mm mm. when she went back as a teacher. mm mm. -when she was much more enlightened er, and the where the learning standard er,simp was much better simply because the girls were cared for. +when she was much more enlightened er, and the where the learning standard er,simp was much better simply because the girls were cared for. mm. -if you're, if you're if you're cold and hungry you're not learning are you? +if you're, if you're if you're cold and hungry you're not learning are you? no. i mean, she started mm, i know. with the village children didn't she? -or, he did as the +or, he did as the ye whe whe well who -well jane, i mean, er jane did that +well jane, i mean, er jane did that oh yes! in er morton? yes. @@ -35486,7 +35455,7 @@ they? that's right. they did. yes. -i remember there was one +i remember there was one but she learnt, she was open to it wasn't yes. she? @@ -35498,12 +35467,12 @@ very commendable for yes. and of course, there was another bit aha. -which i thought was rather ironic about adele, you know, she managed to kind of erm erm quell the the french, +which i thought was rather ironic about adele, you know, she managed to kind of erm erm quell the the french, well that's right. but french was . i have a big exclamation mark, yes. yes. -besides +besides the other french was okay, but the that's right. french part was definitely @@ -35516,7 +35485,7 @@ erm, i must ask a question yes. something that puzzled me as i read it, er yes. -earlier on in the book was the pictures that rochester looked at +earlier on in the book was the pictures that rochester looked at mm. and oh yes. @@ -35525,15 +35494,15 @@ he did say, were you happy when you painted them yeah. you know? yes. -apart from that, i thought, well why are they there, you know? +apart from that, i thought, well why are they there, you know? well, one of them he was clever. -more or, is more or less is realized in a dream she has, just before she leaves thornfield hall, erm in which she dreams she's lying in the red room again +more or, is more or less is realized in a dream she has, just before she leaves thornfield hall, erm in which she dreams she's lying in the red room again mm. erm, er, where she had her nightmare that's right. mm. -and then, the ceiling turns into a sky, and then a, this sort of head and shoulders of a woman er, compassionate woman, an arm reaches through, and a, and a face comes, and er, she says, erm er, and it says, my child don't give in to temptation. +and then, the ceiling turns into a sky, and then a, this sort of head and shoulders of a woman er, compassionate woman, an arm reaches through, and a, and a face comes, and er, she says, erm er, and it says, my child don't give in to temptation. and she says, i won't mother. mm. now whether it's meant to be really her mother, or @@ -35542,7 +35511,7 @@ in a sense that one might call women of the generation before yours mother, i'm mm. and that's what spurs her to get up and flee thornfield hall. mm. -and that's you see, this is one of the things that contemporary critics, some contemporary critics couldn't take, that jane wanted rochester as much as rochester +and that's you see, this is one of the things that contemporary critics, some contemporary critics couldn't take, that jane wanted rochester as much as rochester mm. wanted jane. wanted jane. @@ -35565,16 +35534,16 @@ is that why this bit ? yes. that's one of the reasons. yeah. -cos it was written by men about well they wouldn't have known that though would they? -cos er, it was, it was written under the +cos it was written by men about well they wouldn't have known that though would they? +cos er, it was, it was written under the no, no, no. na no, but there a lot of speculation mm. in the time. yes. -do you think that the er it must be the war, the first world war, if you've been watching testament of youth, fear and britain's testament of youth, which i read years ago +do you think that the er it must be the war, the first world war, if you've been watching testament of youth, fear and britain's testament of youth, which i read years ago mm. -and the +and the mm mm. but, when she says to her look, look father she wants to go to university mm. @@ -35602,8 +35571,8 @@ but we won't get onto that. perhaps we're talking about it. that's a different subject for us. erm -a subject. -there were plenty of spirited women really, you know, a man came from monied families who didn't er, just go off er, you know +a subject. +there were plenty of spirited women really, you know, a man came from monied families who didn't er, just go off er, you know yes. yes, i take your point, they were the monied fam erm @@ -35611,7 +35580,7 @@ yes. but there weren't. mm. i mean the fact that they are so individualistic to us. -and especially, i mean erm +and especially, i mean erm yes. and elizabeth fry, who reformed yes. @@ -35629,18 +35598,18 @@ er, i mean their women were always allowed to do things yes they were. weren't they? they were much more enlightened as well. -they were never their father. +they were never their father. well no. ha. could do without them yes. -erm to come back to what we were saying about the paintings +erm to come back to what we were saying about the paintings well my mind boggled with the iceberg and that. right. yes ! cos,i'm eighty two now. yes. -i think it's erm +i think it's erm her expression. her expression really of the psychological in yes. @@ -35658,11 +35627,11 @@ no. apart from the superstitious one that somebody's going to die. yes. erm, which she sa betty expresses. -erm and it is sort of a controlled way, if you like, of, of allowing the the, the subconscious to be expressed. +erm and it is sort of a controlled way, if you like, of, of allowing the the, the subconscious to be expressed. mm. like you, i couldn't interpret the paintings in any particular way, and i don't think we really need to. -i mean, maybe there are others who could, who can do it and explain them to me, and i'd be very grateful if they could but, erm in detail -but i that's how i interpret anyway. +i mean, maybe there are others who could, who can do it and explain them to me, and i'd be very grateful if they could but, erm in detail +but i that's how i interpret anyway. i've wasted twenty minutes on that! well it was very a very interesting, interesting image quite often @@ -35681,15 +35650,15 @@ well, yes. yes. it is an interesting image. -obviously took teddy twenty minutes to think that this iceberg was a it was a, a valid symbol ! +obviously took teddy twenty minutes to think that this iceberg was a it was a, a valid symbol ! . thank you very much! well that's alright. -that's what reading's for, so you +that's what reading's for, so you well yes. can bother. that's right. -was it because of the passion that the excuse me, these women seem to er, be pres having that made them think that er, it wasn't er a male who wrote the book or not? +was it because of the passion that the excuse me, these women seem to er, be pres having that made them think that er, it wasn't er a male who wrote the book or not? that may well be one of the reasons, yes. that, a passion was affirmative to a women. i have a feeling that there is a female sort of tone about it. @@ -35706,13 +35675,13 @@ it was also about the little girl wasn't it? who grows up, i mean, it was mm. yes. -i shouldn't think many men would have dared to have written it was all her then, in the first person +i shouldn't think many men would have dared to have written it was all her then, in the first person who was about being a small child. about being a small, little girl. there's a lot about clothes. mhm mm. -er, you know, jane austen, and and bronte, they wrote quite a lot about clothes which meant probably, but always, i felt the trollope could see into the minds of women you know, and he was good. +er, you know, jane austen, and and bronte, they wrote quite a lot about clothes which meant probably, but always, i felt the trollope could see into the minds of women you know, and he was good. yes. but he didn't go into detail about what they were wearing, but there's quite a lot about what she was wearing yes. @@ -35724,22 +35693,22 @@ oh yes! he's very good. yes. on women. -let's look at some erm gothic elements er it's no good saying page a hundred and one is it? -do you mean that, when you say gothic elements, do you mean a heightening for mystery? +let's look at some erm gothic elements er it's no good saying page a hundred and one is it? +do you mean that, when you say gothic elements, do you mean a heightening for mystery? yes? erm yes. because i -i mean, i think what, what i think erm charlotte bronte does in this, she introduces certain gothic elements, which she then immediately undermines. +i mean, i think what, what i think erm charlotte bronte does in this, she introduces certain gothic elements, which she then immediately undermines. mm mm. mm. er, and it's interesting to ask why? and i thought we might look at a few of them. mm. erm -but surely the house is, a name or a +but surely the house is, a name or a well -within this awful voice. +within this awful voice. that's right. yes. but that's not so much the building as th @@ -35759,13 +35728,13 @@ yes. yes. there is indeed, yes. well part of that is awful! -and also the, the, the trip into lowood was also frightening. +and also the, the, the trip into lowood was also frightening. yes. yeah. it was, yes. the, er the for somebody that age. -erm i was thinking more of the, this adult jane erm +erm i was thinking more of the, this adult jane erm mm mm. coming to a bit but i thought the supernatural voices was, was gothic wasn't it? @@ -35796,7 +35765,7 @@ did you feel a tremendous sense of mystery gathering around rochester? that there were clues put in here and there that things were not right, and that jane was seeing all? erm before the ex you know, that she knew about bertha. -yes, i, i think it would be fair to say that, but you wondered how he came to be the kind of man that he, she found him. +yes, i, i think it would be fair to say that, but you wondered how he came to be the kind of man that he, she found him. mm. but, yes, i, i think that'll be fair to say that. erm, i also found that,th surprisingly, that there's little touches of humour roundabout rochester. @@ -35814,11 +35783,11 @@ yes. sort of. that's right, yes. i thought, well that's odd! -you know, what it's supposed to be a, a, a terror of a horror story +you know, what it's supposed to be a, a, a terror of a horror story mm mm. mm mm. -and but i think it sort of highlight, er, she might have done it unconsciously or consciously, i don't know. -i think the erm character of rochester, yes, he comes across as a er er as quite a mystery man. +and but i think it sort of highlight, er, she might have done it unconsciously or consciously, i don't know. +i think the erm character of rochester, yes, he comes across as a er er as quite a mystery man. mm. you keep finding out things about him, that mm. @@ -35850,9 +35819,9 @@ i see. erm, when he's blinded and mm mm. erm -the trouble is, if you, if you read it as as ha many people have found er, some years ago and then +the trouble is, if you, if you read it as as ha many people have found er, some years ago and then yes. -read jean rhys' wide sargasso sea. +read jean rhys' wide sargasso sea. mm. that's right. that's right, yeah. @@ -35880,12 +35849,12 @@ yes. erm, she is not something simply to be afraid of. she has, you see how she has been pushed into this position. mm mm. -and how two cultures failed entirely to understand each other. +and how two cultures failed entirely to understand each other. mm. mm. and should never have been brought together in the first place. -and of course, if you look at it er, logically, i mean, for a a woman to be tied up and kept in a room, you know, and kept prisoner all her life you could hardly expect her to to be sane even if she did -have a chance to get which +and of course, if you look at it er, logically, i mean, for a a woman to be tied up and kept in a room, you know, and kept prisoner all her life you could hardly expect her to to be sane even if she did +have a chance to get which yes. she wouldn't have been able to, i mean yo to yes. @@ -35894,30 +35863,30 @@ yes. they'll behave like an animal. yes. yeah. -so, i mean, it was clearly that, you know, of knowing how to deal with mad +so, i mean, it was clearly that, you know, of knowing how to deal with mad yes. people. -i mean, what was madness , if +i mean, what was madness , if yes. we asked. -erm just looking at one or two references. +erm just looking at one or two references. when, mrs fairfax is showing jane over the house mm mm, mm. erm, and she says do the, jane asks,do the servants live in these rooms? mhm mm. no, they occupy a range of smaller apartments to the back, no one ever sleeps here. -one would almost say that if there were a ghost at thornfield hall this would be its haunt so i think . +one would almost say that if there were a ghost at thornfield hall this would be its haunt so i think . we're up on the third floor here. mm. mm mm, mm. -erm, whereas we know erm mrs rochester is kept. +erm, whereas we know erm mrs rochester is kept. you have no ghost then? mm mm. none that i ever heard of returned mrs fairfax smiling. nor any traditions of one, no legends or ghost stories? i believe not. and yet, it is said the rochesters have been a violent than a quiet race in their time, perhaps though, that is the reason they rest tranq tranquilly in their graves now . -erm, and then a on we go, i mean,, and then she hears this laugh you see. +erm, and then a on we go, i mean,, and then she hears this laugh you see. i mm. mean, are there ghosts, are there legends? @@ -35928,15 +35897,15 @@ mm. mm. erm, then she hears that laugh, you know, probably grace poole, did you hear it again? mm. -erm, yes, you know and er we +erm, yes, you know and er we that's a bit of the gothic. she's undercutting all the time. mm. mm. -it's the bit of the gothic, except that we know that this is, well we don't know then do we? +it's the bit of the gothic, except that we know that this is, well we don't know then do we? no. no. -no, and it says erm i really did not expect any grace to answer . +no, and it says erm i really did not expect any grace to answer . mrs fairfax has just called grace poole. mm. for the laugh was as tragic as preternatural a laugh as any i ever heard. @@ -35950,30 +35919,30 @@ mm. and mrs fairfax had explained it. mhm mm. however the event showed me i was a fool for entertaining a sense even of surprise . -so we have the gothic set-up and promptly knocked down again. +so we have the gothic set-up and promptly knocked down again. mm mm mm. so and then it go comes up again with veil . oh yes. it does indeed, yes. -i mean, erm she actually then chooses to walk up and down the third storey erm couple of pages later, jane, when she wants a bit of solitude. +i mean, erm she actually then chooses to walk up and down the third storey erm couple of pages later, jane, when she wants a bit of solitude. mm. so it can't have been that frightening. this place she chooses to think over her own hopes well and plans and so on. -erm, when she imagines that er i think you pronounce it a gytrash? +erm, when she imagines that er i think you pronounce it a gytrash? i don't know any other way of pronouncing it. mm mm. -a kind of ghost is going to be riding down the path for er, when it's actually a rochester +a kind of ghost is going to be riding down the path for er, when it's actually a rochester mm mm. you know. erm, it's only a trapper taking a short cut. mm. but no gytrash appeared she says, just a trapper taking a short cut. -all her fears are then all knocked down . +all her fears are then all knocked down . mm. -so that you're having the gothic set-up in this story to be undermined by common sense. +so that you're having the gothic set-up in this story to be undermined by common sense. oh! mm. a at the time it is raised, that's the interesting thing. @@ -35982,16 +35951,16 @@ mm mm. building tension and mystery to the end and then undermining it all. no. but er -and even when they erm the stranger comes you know +and even when they erm the stranger comes you know mm mm. -who's the, the brother and erm had his arm injured +who's the, the brother and erm had his arm injured oh yes. mm. -erm, he's , and even then she accepts doesn't she, or she appears to accept what she's told? +erm, he's , and even then she accepts doesn't she, or she appears to accept what she's told? yeah. she does, yes. mm. -i mean, there is one when she says that bertha's face reminded her of a vampire i suppose that's probably the most gothic moment. +i mean, there is one when she says that bertha's face reminded her of a vampire i suppose that's probably the most gothic moment. mm. but then when you think that she did actually bite mason! yes. @@ -35999,37 +35968,37 @@ of course. quite hard, i mean really hard! mm. yes. -er, and tries to bite rochester on the face doesn't she? +er, and tries to bite rochester on the face doesn't she? yes. yes. -erm, then she becomes a sort of literal th the vampire, as it were, is reduced and she becomes just a wild thing. +erm, then she becomes a sort of literal th the vampire, as it were, is reduced and she becomes just a wild thing. mm mm. yeah. so that actually that comment on her being a vampire is also undermined. but she was a pyromaniac. -because that wasn't the first time, when she eventually burnt the place down +because that wasn't the first time, when she eventually burnt the place down yes. she tried before. yes. mm. -so she had this pyroma maniac as well. +so she had this pyroma maniac as well. yes. -i mean, are we to see that as symbolic the setting fire to rochester's bed? +i mean, are we to see that as symbolic the setting fire to rochester's bed? the burning bed? could well be. passionate bed perhaps? yes. mm mm! mm. -certainly jean rhys erm i mean, i thought of jean rhys at that +certainly jean rhys erm i mean, i thought of jean rhys at that mm. point, extrapolates that backwards, if you can mm mm. extrapolate backwards. doesn't she? i've forgotten a lot of the book. -i didn't have time to read it all and how far in comparison with the other gothic novels do you go before you, as a reader, know about this woman er, kept up you know, in er +i didn't have time to read it all and how far in comparison with the other gothic novels do you go before you, as a reader, know about this woman er, kept up you know, in er the quarters. abberton forest erm @@ -36043,17 +36012,17 @@ when you find out. mhm mm. erm mm. -it's incredible to me, that jane has all these er er things happening +it's incredible to me, that jane has all these er er things happening mm. portents is the word? yes. or omens, yes. omens, yes. -and er she never really, she's never really very curious +and er she never really, she's never really very curious no. a erm well she acc -it is, it is never he doesn't, not actively curious. +it is, it is never he doesn't, not actively curious. no. she accepts right. @@ -36062,7 +36031,7 @@ mm. yes, she does. but then you wouldn't yes. -think of the mad wife being shut up there +think of the mad wife being shut up there no. by you might if you were catherine moorfield. @@ -36071,25 +36040,25 @@ it's a bit like this . but northanger abbey is, but, she is absolutely but northanger abbey was definitely a bit curious! yes . -but, what i was going on to say was that erm grace what's her name? +but, what i was going on to say was that erm grace what's her name? poole. grace. grace poole. mm. -er everything's blamed, blamed onto grace poole but she's, but she +er everything's blamed, blamed onto grace poole but she's, but she i don't reappears! mm. she's never dismissed. mm. oh yes. -and, wouldn't er jane be inquiring about that? +and, wouldn't er jane be inquiring about that? well she does wonder about it, yes, but she's oh yes. ah, i mean, she's got a, a subordinate role in the house hasn't she? mhm mm. -erm i mean, and mrs fairfax is not really open to erm giving her the information +erm i mean, and mrs fairfax is not really open to erm giving her the information no, er tha is she? i think, doesn't she ask her at one point about grace poole? @@ -36102,13 +36071,13 @@ yes. mm. mm. erm -but th the servants are all talking about this erm, aren't they, at one point? +but th the servants are all talking about this erm, aren't they, at one point? yeah. and she overhears them. mm. but she, as you say, she's not really curious no. -to find out why she's being kept in the dark and +to find out why she's being kept in the dark and yes. everyone else knows. yes. @@ -36131,17 +36100,17 @@ you know yes he did. mm. he -yo you know and himself. +yo you know and himself. from their marriage, that's right. yes. true. -but she knows that grace poole is a and +but she knows that grace poole is a and yes. she's been living with a brother . mm. mm. yes. -erm sorry! +erm sorry! who's the liv sorry! sorry! @@ -36155,28 +36124,28 @@ yes. with the brother who drank. yes. yes. -so erm, she presumably being used to sort of accepting these er, crises and behaviour +so erm, she presumably being used to sort of accepting these er, crises and behaviour yeah. -thinking it was drink, and so why shouldn't she acc in that jane eyre accepts -grace poole drinks and she gets your erm +thinking it was drink, and so why shouldn't she acc in that jane eyre accepts +grace poole drinks and she gets your erm yes. -lively bits of behaviour, but then +lively bits of behaviour, but then mm. it all settles again and you have to accept it. but why is she there? mm. yes. . -she isn't curio i mean yo er erm, i can see if you it could get in the way of accepting the story. +she isn't curio i mean yo er erm, i can see if you it could get in the way of accepting the story. mm. -erm, what i found actually er erm even odder, was that is, if the servants knew about her, why did nobody appear at the wedding ceremony? +erm, what i found actually er erm even odder, was that is, if the servants knew about her, why did nobody appear at the wedding ceremony? mm. why was it left to mason yes. yes. to come forward? he had been paid. -i don't, i don't think they knew that she was was his +i don't, i don't think they knew that she was was his his wife. wife. don't know. @@ -36186,7 +36155,7 @@ a mad woman upstairs but i yes. don't see as though knew her was his wife. yes. -well i said they +well i said they er but they did wor wonder whether it was erm mm. mm! @@ -36195,7 +36164,7 @@ yes. a relation or mm. something. -er it didn't come out even where the er, inn keeper is telling erm her, telling jane about what happened. +er it didn't come out even where the er, inn keeper is telling erm her, telling jane about what happened. mm. and he obviously didn't know and it wasn't public knowledge that it was his wife that was oh no. @@ -36203,8 +36172,8 @@ kept there, it wasn't just no. this woman. mm. -yes, erm -erm, i think what erm the purpose for me, anyway, or the effect of under setting up the gothic in detail and then undermining it, is that when you do allow it to stand it's much more effective. +yes, erm +erm, i think what erm the purpose for me, anyway, or the effect of under setting up the gothic in detail and then undermining it, is that when you do allow it to stand it's much more effective. mm. mm mm. mm. @@ -36217,7 +36186,7 @@ mm. that's right. that at the moment at which she's about to submit mhm mm. -to st john erm she hears the call as it were from somebody who really needs +to st john erm she hears the call as it were from somebody who really needs mm. her. doesn't just @@ -36230,13 +36199,13 @@ can see. and he heard the reply. mm. yes. -and he goes through +and he goes through yes. yeah. i think, even more frightening the fact that she might have succumbed to this chap . i was saying,for god's sake don't do it! i really was frightened that she might be off with him. -well, what i found a bit erm remarkable really, in the book +well, what i found a bit erm remarkable really, in the book mm. was that er, parts of it were pure hollywood weren't they? mm mm! @@ -36255,7 +36224,7 @@ in the film. no you don't. you get the atmosphere very strongly. what will -and it comes off far more as a you know, as a sort of gothic +and it comes off far more as a you know, as a sort of gothic mm mm. story yes. @@ -36270,14 +36239,14 @@ to meet this mad yes. woman. at this point we're, we're not having any of jane's reactions. -we've got rochester's erm monologue +we've got rochester's erm monologue account. as it were yes. mm. yes. erm, a mixture of anger and shame and er, resentment and er, justification and so on. -and he places his hand, as he said, on his jane's shoulder and says this is i this quiet girl standing there, this is what i wanted and look what i've, you know +and he places his hand, as he said, on his jane's shoulder and says this is i this quiet girl standing there, this is what i wanted and look what i've, you know mm. can you blame me when you see yes. @@ -36290,15 +36259,15 @@ really quite strong. yes. taking it in. mm. -and she says later sh you, you're too cruel, to rochester, you can't blame her for being mad. +and she says later sh you, you're too cruel, to rochester, you can't blame her for being mad. mm mm! and so, what could have been a really gothic moment, isn't. mm. and it seems to me, quite deliberately isn't. -it's made a moment of er, dramatic moment er, a compassionate moment +it's made a moment of er, dramatic moment er, a compassionate moment mm. but not a gothic moment. -but even the fire where, you know, the first fire, don't they, when she burnt house down erm that isn't made as terrifying as it +but even the fire where, you know, the first fire, don't they, when she burnt house down erm that isn't made as terrifying as it no. could have been. no. @@ -36324,19 +36293,19 @@ yes. yes. wait till i put something on. i know. -erm and er, you could pass it. +erm and er, you could pass it. you really could pass it. erm -and it's, you know it's, part of life isn't it? +and it's, you know it's, part of life isn't it? i it's -couldn't help thinking if it was modern day a woman that's manically depressed dreamt that, dreamt she had, she was definitely mental, she would be stuck in a a mental home and just kept under with er +couldn't help thinking if it was modern day a woman that's manically depressed dreamt that, dreamt she had, she was definitely mental, she would be stuck in a a mental home and just kept under with er drugs. exactly! drugs. yes. she certainly wouldn't be roaming round. -and you know,won i wonder whether +and you know,won i wonder whether she wasn't, yeah. whether it's kind of him to keep her there mm mm. @@ -36356,14 +36325,14 @@ yes. yeah, absolutely! he, and then yes. -he didn't want anybody to know, but i think in he did that in the kinder fashion. +he didn't want anybody to know, but i think in he did that in the kinder fashion. mm. -that is possible actually, that he would want to keep it from his neighbourhood. +that is possible actually, that he would want to keep it from his neighbourhood. yes. mm. true. that he were married to a mad woman. -but if sh she was in care +but if sh she was in care they would put her somewhere else though wouldn't no. qui quite possibly they wouldn't. @@ -36371,7 +36340,7 @@ so he would have been safer no. wouldn't he, actually than yes. -put her in a mental hospital or a +put her in a mental hospital or a mm. or a mental institute. yes. @@ -36389,7 +36358,7 @@ that's right. yes! oh! dreadful, yes. -i think you just can't +i think you just can't yes. yes. yes it was a duty of them wasn't it? @@ -36398,7 +36367,7 @@ to beat the devil out of them. yeah. yeah. most dreadful time! -and left abandoned there weren't they? +and left abandoned there weren't they? oh yes. yes! @@ -36413,7 +36382,7 @@ was it called? the music makers. oh yes. mm. -erm, with glenda jackson. +erm, with glenda jackson. yes. mm. mm. @@ -36424,8 +36393,8 @@ it was awful! did you see it? no. oh! -it's, it's it was absolutely incredible! -i think early in the eighteen twelve +it's, it's it was absolutely incredible! +i think early in the eighteen twelve made it forever . really? mm. @@ -36452,16 +36421,16 @@ well that's right. mm. mm. yeah. -all the +all the erm -have we said all we want to say about st john and his er, secessionism? +have we said all we want to say about st john and his er, secessionism? oh yes. i think so, yes. cos partly, i expect, his trouble was repression too. i think that he was was such a fanatic erm, religious yes. -because he wa he was obviously a very repressed man wasn't he? +because he wa he was obviously a very repressed man wasn't he? absolutely! spiritually and . yes. @@ -36473,10 +36442,10 @@ mm mm. yes. erm, and that is the way that and spiritually. -erm yo i mean he says at one point, as a positive statement, he thinks, that he bend, he's bending his nature out of its natural course +erm yo i mean he says at one point, as a positive statement, he thinks, that he bend, he's bending his nature out of its natural course mhm mm. mm. -in order to serve god. +in order to serve god. mm mm. yes. whereas jane sees that as unnatural. @@ -36496,7 +36465,7 @@ well. as well. yeah. and be a sadist as well. -you know van gogh er, he had a hired woman, and er he definitely thought that was what he should do to actually put all his energies into his painting +you know van gogh er, he had a hired woman, and er he definitely thought that was what he should do to actually put all his energies into his painting mm. and mm. @@ -36512,11 +36481,11 @@ yes. isn't it? yes. yes. -but erm rivers didn't exactly subjugate it did he? +but erm rivers didn't exactly subjugate it did he? i mean, no. evil came out of it. -it was a and also was doted on by his two sisters. +it was a and also was doted on by his two sisters. mm. wasn't he? yes. @@ -36528,7 +36497,7 @@ but once they knew it meant going to india mm. and that she didn't care mm. -for him, then erm they, they supported her. +for him, then erm they, they supported her. yes. oh yes, but well no, they didn't. @@ -36538,10 +36507,10 @@ but, it makes you wonder why. so i think when we have these he was good looking. -erm er portraits of, er men you have to take i it that erm we could argue charlotte bronte was very critical of the men she knew and, the men she thought she might know, and didn't erm, you have to look at the women who feed into the making of them +erm er portraits of, er men you have to take i it that erm we could argue charlotte bronte was very critical of the men she knew and, the men she thought she might know, and didn't erm, you have to look at the women who feed into the making of them mm mm. don't you? -as you say, you have to look at mrs reed +as you say, you have to look at mrs reed that's right. and mm. @@ -36571,7 +36540,7 @@ mm. yes. cos the two er, girls mm mm. -who are, were extraordinary +who are, were extraordinary mm. and they didn't fit into life, did they? well @@ -36581,7 +36550,7 @@ no one became a nun didn't she? yes. yes. one was to, one should have married -st john eliza. +st john eliza. yes. that's it, yes. eliza and st john could have @@ -36629,12 +36598,12 @@ mm mm. her about this uncle yes. who wanted to leave her money. -yes, yes, that's that's a wasn't it? -erm, it's the go i mean you, you can or not er, decided whether you're going to believe in a woman who is so vindictive that she's going to allow them er, prevent her having her rightful +yes, yes, that's that's a wasn't it? +erm, it's the go i mean you, you can or not er, decided whether you're going to believe in a woman who is so vindictive that she's going to allow them er, prevent her having her rightful mhm. erm, legacy. mhm mm. -erm because, she is of an equal status +erm because, she is of an equal status mm. with her own children. mm. @@ -36654,7 +36623,7 @@ mm mm. and, and that's only because her husband were on a promise from her. mm mm. mm. -erm i think it's, er an original mark of the book that they don't make it up. +erm i think it's, er an original mark of the book that they don't make it up. no, they don't. no. i don't think they should make it up. @@ -36662,7 +36631,7 @@ no. i think there are some gulfs which cannot be bridged. mm mm. mm. -and if, charlotte bronte had had reconciliation there i think it would have +and if, charlotte bronte had had reconciliation there i think it would have oh! it would have been er awful yes. @@ -36671,20 +36640,20 @@ yes. it? it would. and she -no, she just turned away from her didn't +no, she just turned away from her didn't yes. she? she did. after she'd it's a deathbed confession to mm. -exculpate her her +exculpate her her yeah. her wrong-doing that's right. but, no way did she have any affection for her then. oh, well mrs reed's nasty! -and contin died hating er +and contin died hating er yeah. jane didn't she? she did anyhow. @@ -36696,13 +36665,13 @@ uncle yes. didn't it? that's right. -this uncle who was also presumably the uncle of er, not only the rivers' children, but would he also have been the uncle of re mrs reed's +this uncle who was also presumably the uncle of er, not only the rivers' children, but would he also have been the uncle of re mrs reed's yes. children? yes oh! yes! -he would, her brother's erm +he would, her brother's erm mm. yes. husband's brother wasn't he? @@ -36722,7 +36691,7 @@ yeah. mm. anybody know nice work? mm mm. -erm, features er a female university lecturer who's who says of the victorian novel that it comes out right by marriage, er either marriage, legacy, or i can't remember what the other one was, there were three categories. +erm, features er a female university lecturer who's who says of the victorian novel that it comes out right by marriage, er either marriage, legacy, or i can't remember what the other one was, there were three categories. and jane certainly gets her legacy. yes. but she gets her legacy, erm, in order to be able to show that she doesn't need it. @@ -36737,7 +36706,7 @@ give it up but she did share it. but,yo er she did share, yes. yes. -and, and to be able to if you like, bring it as a dowry, but it wouldn't have mattered if she hadn't a penny. +and, and to be able to if you like, bring it as a dowry, but it wouldn't have mattered if she hadn't a penny. yes. the sim the same with helen huntingdon. oh yes. @@ -36748,12 +36717,12 @@ and you may as well have it if it doesn't matter because mm. then you can show, as an author, that it doesn't matter. mm mm. -if you haven't got it then you could just, er other people just could be nice when they marry you and say that it +if you haven't got it then you could just, er other people just could be nice when they marry you and say that it doesn't matter that you haven't got it. mm. no. but if you've got it and it doesn't matter, then you can really show it doesn't matter. -and bearing in mind that anything that she had would automatically become rochester's. +and bearing in mind that anything that she had would automatically become rochester's. mm. yes. yes. @@ -36761,17 +36730,17 @@ er, you know, because anything belonging to a wife belonged to her husband at th that's right. but he would also, in the spirit of their marriage, they mm. -they pooled everything didn't they? -i mean, it was obvious that it was going to be erm, well, i mean, she'd been married, she's married, ten years +they pooled everything didn't they? +i mean, it was obvious that it was going to be erm, well, i mean, she'd been married, she's married, ten years mm. by the time er the book ends. yes. -and this is a question that always occurs to me and i've read this novel several times, at the end of it why did she write it? +and this is a question that always occurs to me and i've read this novel several times, at the end of it why did she write it? not why did charlotte bronte write it, why does jane eyre write it? why does she write this story? do you think? -because it's a long road from sad des desolation, being orphaned to true happiness. +because it's a long road from sad des desolation, being orphaned to true happiness. it's a love re really. yes. it is a love story. @@ -36781,20 +36750,20 @@ to belonging and journey of fulfilment isn't it? yes. having some -some fulfilment through adversity. +some fulfilment through adversity. yes. really. -why would you need to write it if you'd had the journey? +why would you need to write it if you'd had the journey? to get it out of yourself a and exult -to make the beginning +to make the beginning possibly yes. -yes, to erm rational well to erm explain the beginning, you know, to, to get the hatred and the erm, sense of injustice out of your system. +yes, to erm rational well to erm explain the beginning, you know, to, to get the hatred and the erm, sense of injustice out of your system. interest which is, for er for the children. and also exposing possibly. interest the children, yes. -exposing erm this to society what goes on in society. +exposing erm this to society what goes on in society. well yes. we don't get any sense of jane actually publishing this do @@ -36825,7 +36794,7 @@ and if, it's as if she were writing a diary, i decided. yes. that was the effect it had on me. -well, more or less, she talks to the reader and +well, more or less, she talks to the reader and she does talk to the reader, yes. maybe yes. @@ -36841,9 +36810,9 @@ but then maude did the same. same ending and no entirely. -maude, ten years after er, sitting there surrounded by her little ones +maude, ten years after er, sitting there surrounded by her little ones yes. -erm and the man she loved. +erm and the man she loved. and she went through the same circum got exactly the same ending. it could be telling the children all of it in fact. yes. @@ -36852,9 +36821,9 @@ mm mm. mm. i do i mean, i'm asking you questions which i don't know the answer. yeah. -there's a note here that the general confusion of dates and eras and passions and facts is even more irrational that anything dickens did! +there's a note here that the general confusion of dates and eras and passions and facts is even more irrational that anything dickens did! well of course! -she couldn't have got the be because she wasn't yet twenty one. +she couldn't have got the be because she wasn't yet twenty one. oh i see. is it becau yeah. @@ -36874,7 +36843,6 @@ chapter she appeals to the reader, i know i came from etcetera, etcetera yeah. so in the end she is yes, we can be - so the patches yes. the patches, right now, you're on, we put you the oestraderm fifties? @@ -36905,7 +36873,7 @@ er what have you there. and before that you were having er horrendous irregular periods? yeah. yeah. -let's have a look at er oh that's right, oh that's, that's a seven . +let's have a look at er oh that's right, oh that's, that's a seven . hmm. no, well yeah. well i think the thing to do is to actually give you the higher dose patches. @@ -36926,7 +36894,7 @@ aha. the patches that are causing yeah. problems. -now in her case we put her on two fifties but that i uses up an awful lot of skin and it's a real hassle, so er +now in her case we put her on two fifties but that i uses up an awful lot of skin and it's a real hassle, so er i can imagine. so er i think that'd be the, the sensible thing to do. now @@ -36951,7 +36919,7 @@ unfortunately they've got the market cornered with these patches. mhm. one twice weekly the, so they're, there's only the these. no other firm does them so you can't say, let's try this firm's patches, cos they don't do them. -actually i found them a lot more convenient than +actually i found them a lot more convenient than yeah. than the other form. mm. @@ -36972,7 +36940,6 @@ okay then? okay then, thanks a lot. see you. bye. - see if i can get this in focus for you. can everyone see that? okay? @@ -36983,24 +36950,24 @@ and that is in fact from four cylinder to twenty four cylinder engines. er you'll see further on in the presentation, the product we produce at , which is the ten litre and the fourteen litre engine. and this actually goes down to about a hundred and eighty horsepower in some applications. and in fact we're now approaching the five hundred horsepower in the fourteen litre. -this is incorporated internationally. +this is incorporated internationally. sales in nineteen ninety one was three point four billion dollars, and in fact the figures for nineteen ninety two are just published in may of this year, is four point seven billion dollars. we produce annually, two hundred and eight thousand engines, in fact that's now approaching two hundred and fifty thousand engines. we employ twenty three thousand people worldwide. our annual research and development exceeds two hundred million dollars. -in the u k consists of engine company limited, and there are three manufacturing sites that manufacture diesel engines. -we've got which i'll go on to expand in a minute about. +in the u k consists of engine company limited, and there are three manufacturing sites that manufacture diesel engines. +we've got which i'll go on to expand in a minute about. we've got another plant at darlington that produces a smaller series of engines. erm eighty to a hundred and forty horsepower. and a plant at daventry down in the midlands that does the big ones, two thousand horsepower. -a few years ago we bought a company called who manufacture all the filters that we use. +a few years ago we bought a company called who manufacture all the filters that we use. erm oil filters, air filters etcetera. we actually bought them over about seven or eight years ago. we now own them. located at , actually reconditions engines which are ten or fifteen years old. there's also a market there for people who can't afford to buy new product, and obviously still the engine's still got life in it. so with reconditioning, and new pistons and new liners etcetera, you get another ten years out of the engine. -so you've probably seen them if you've ever been up past . +so you've probably seen them if you've ever been up past . on the motorway heading for . they're on the right hand side. , again located in the midlands down at wellingborough. @@ -37016,19 +36983,19 @@ is a n a new company to us. er i'll go on to explain in the product range one of their new products we're introducing this year. is an electronic engine. and this company u k has developed the new control systems for it. -er and holdings i'm sorry i know very little about. +er and holdings i'm sorry i know very little about. i know they remanufacture components for us, but i know very little about them. as far the united kingdom's concerned, nineteen ninety one almost five hundred million pound sterling turnover. producing thirty seven thousand engines. with almost five thousand employees. and as at the end of nineteen ninety one, we have almost two hundred million investment in the u k. -the first plant that opened outside the main plant in columbus, was at . +the first plant that opened outside the main plant in columbus, was at . and it opened in nineteen fifty six. er there's various reasons why it was located at . -one of the main ones being which we know now as . -but er were one of our customers, buying engines from our mother company in the states. +one of the main ones being which we know now as . +but er were one of our customers, buying engines from our mother company in the states. er the company was also at that time, looking to expand anyway into europe. -erm and i think margaret had quite a lot to do with it being located at as well. +erm and i think margaret had quite a lot to do with it being located at as well. so for various reasons, we actually found ourselves at . nineteen fifty six. the plant itself erm now worth thirty million pounds. @@ -37055,7 +37022,7 @@ we currently have a pressure regulated fuel injection system, developed by . own patented design. what we're now going to is electronic fuel injection. it gives a much better fuel economy. -and again, that's a photograph of the fourteen litre engine. +and again, that's a photograph of the fourteen litre engine. our main markets. well you can see from that, the main markets are actually the world. we are very heavily into south korea and china at the moment. @@ -37066,9 +37033,9 @@ er the european market is mostly either on or off highway. there are only really two main markets in europe and that's either the trucks or the excavators and the diggers off highway applications. er a typical example of an application, an e r f thirty eight tonne tractor unit. erm that one in actual fact has a ten litre pardon me engine in it. -e r f currently produce about six trucks per day, and they're all powered. -so every time you pass an e r f on the motorway or it passes you, it's one of our engines from that's powering it. -er a company called in finland, who are the biggest truck manufacturer in finland. +e r f currently produce about six trucks per day, and they're all powered. +so every time you pass an e r f on the motorway or it passes you, it's one of our engines from that's powering it. +er a company called in finland, who are the biggest truck manufacturer in finland. er and it's mostly fairly heavy lorries that they produce for as you can see, forestry work. erm i think that's their principal industry in finland is the forest. again we are the the sole supplier to them. @@ -37076,7 +37043,7 @@ these are various other applications. you'll recognize this one here. this is the local sprinter class rail car er diesel rail car which runs on our local railway network. they are all powered by , throughout the u k. -er something like four hundred and seventy five of these units running, all powered. +er something like four hundred and seventy five of these units running, all powered. these are standby generator sets. for all sorts of applications. hospitals, pumping stations whatever. @@ -37086,12 +37053,12 @@ er we there's a lot of cast iron and steel in our engine and marine engines don' . er typical example of our technical investment,nineteen ninety one, we were round about a hundred and fifty million. this year, the plans for nineteen ninety three, ninety four are two hundred and fifty million. reinvestment in er in new equipment and research and engineering development. -an aerial view of the plant. +an aerial view of the plant. when we came here in nineteen fifty six, this was the original building. and in fact it was an old woollen mill called the . from nineteen eighty one to eighty seven, we expanded into this. erm it's a simple flow system, raw material comes in at one end and flows through the plant, through the machining areas, through the assembly, and the new product, the finished product comes out the end. -the other building you see in the top left here is the hilton. +the other building you see in the top left here is the hilton. that's the present . er a typical view down the assembly track or the beginning of the assembly track. you can see the engine block. @@ -37121,11 +37088,11 @@ any questions gentlemen or yes. yo you mentioned the fact that you had increased your capacity, but decreased your your er employee yes. -erm in so that it's our fault really that we can't give work to our our er people. +erm in so that it's our fault really that we can't give work to our our er people. is there no way you can adopt a a a more way to to utilize the men rather than. there are -there are various ways to that. -obviously it's quite an emotive subject when as you say you're reducing putting people out the door. +there are various ways to that. +obviously it's quite an emotive subject when as you say you're reducing putting people out the door. putting people out of work. the counter argument to that is, if you don't become more efficient, then you will lose the business anyway. and your competitor will take over. @@ -37172,8 +37139,8 @@ erm and because of the way of things, you don't always get the components the sa you always get one reject . so the robot would pick that and use it. whereas the man will pick it and discard it. -so there are applications you can use them and some you can't. -your continuous improvement in in the factory a lot over the years. +so there are applications you can use them and some you can't. +your continuous improvement in in the factory a lot over the years. what is your relationship with the unions in the in the plant? erm initially,initially very bad, i have to say that. as i say, it's a very emotive subject. @@ -37181,7 +37148,7 @@ but if you are honest and up front with them, and tell them exactly what you're and i would say, now we are starting to see the fruits of that. and it's taken that length of time to break down the seventy or eighty year barriers that are in existence between workers and management. erm and i think there will always be, for some time yet, a wee bit of distrust there, on both sides. -erm quite a lot you just have to be honest with people and tell i mean we've got it's unfortunate we can threaten people if you like, it's the wrong word to use. +erm quite a lot you just have to be honest with people and tell i mean we've got it's unfortunate we can threaten people if you like, it's the wrong word to use. but you say to them, you know, look at , erm one week they announced, i can't remember the figures, twenty three million investment. four months later they closed it just like that. again, they closed and then reopened. @@ -37211,11 +37178,11 @@ we have most of our maintenance staff are time served fitters or electricians. in the actual machine shop and the assembly operators themselves. they are i would say, ninety percent semi- skilled. we have trained them in er in fact in the operations they're doing. -you have to remember that was on old coal mining area. -and again, i think one of the main reasons round about nineteen fifty six, that went there, was the pits were closing, and there was obviously erm government attractions to pull companies in. +you have to remember that was on old coal mining area. +and again, i think one of the main reasons round about nineteen fifty six, that went there, was the pits were closing, and there was obviously erm government attractions to pull companies in. much more then than there is now. so we have a lot of ex-miners. -erm but i would say it's mostly maintenance trades. +erm but i would say it's mostly maintenance trades. we have gone slightly the other way with obviously robotics and the electronic age and this sort of thing. a lot of our machine tools are c n c, so we need to employ the skills there. erm but these are mostly technician people. @@ -37227,15 +37194,15 @@ erm unfortunately not so many. we've taken apprentices every year since i've been there. erm when i started fifteen years ago, it was an intake of about twenty five er lads at a time, we're now down to about unfortunately eight or nine craft apprentices. and i think about three technical apprentices. -we have erm one female apprentice who's time was just out there last year. +we have erm one female apprentice who's time was just out there last year. she's a maintenance technician, and she actually won the scottish whatever it is, apprentice award. so we're quite proud of her, and she gets on great with the guys. and she's the only female on the floor. we have girls in the offices and women in the offices obviously, but she's the only tradesperson if you like, on the floor. but yeah, we're still taking them on but not in so many numbers. -alec, erm do you have er company comparisons. -you've got seven or more plants in the states elsewhere er you know on criteria such as erm quality and productivity, cost and so on. -if so, how do make out in the company league table? +alec, erm do you have er company comparisons. +you've got seven or more plants in the states elsewhere er you know on criteria such as erm quality and productivity, cost and so on. +if so, how do make out in the company league table? right. we have, we started again, nineteen eighty nine, we decided taking on board some of the japanese ideas which we felt we could use. and discarded the rest which we felt did not transpose. @@ -37245,7 +37212,7 @@ to functional excellence. and there are ten measures within that production system. erm and these measures are criteria for every plant worldwide. now we have plants in india, brazil erm we now have one in china, we were about to open one in russia but it burned down. -part of the deal, i don't know if you tread about it in the paper. +part of the deal, i don't know if you tread about it in the paper. six hundred and thirty million we lost. erm and it's the same criteria worldwide. we have corporate headquarters obviously dictate policy. @@ -37266,7 +37233,7 @@ we are above target in quality. we are above target in housekeeping. so in a sort of worldwide league table if you like, we're well above average. and you're right because these are the things that when when your vice president and you president come every year, as they do, on their annual visit, and they go to gleneagles for their game of golf first. -erm they are in the plant i don't know, maybe four hours or six hours. +erm they are in the plant i don't know, maybe four hours or six hours. two or three of those hours are spent reviewing the financial results. obviously we still need to make money. that's why we're in business. @@ -37274,8 +37241,8 @@ the other two or three hours are on the floor. and it's that three hours that's the impression that they take away with them. that's the only chance you get in that one whole year, to impress these people. so when they're sitting in their corporate offices, making decisions about, well where will we send the work. -well last time i was at it was dirty. -guys were hanging about, standing all over the place, not their backside. +well last time i was at it was dirty. +guys were hanging about, standing all over the place, not their backside. that's the impression they have of . and this is the m the message you have to get across to the people. and we are we are getting there. @@ -37285,14 +37252,14 @@ which i find very difficult, is we actually went no smoking on the first of janu erm and that was after we put out a referendum around the plant and we got a seventy eight response saying, no smoking. so there's a mass exodus to the car park now at lunchtime. anything else? -in the you mentioned smoking. +in the you mentioned smoking. what about the standards of lavatories and that? i'm not sure i understand your question . er are the toilets kept up to a high standard? well i'll let my son answer that, he's actually been in the plant a couple of times and what's your impression of the place? er they're alright. yes it's fine. -i mean it's in actual fact the the number of people i've had in and one thing i should say, if you feel you would like a visit one evening, to the plant, then i'm more than welcome to try and organize something for you. +i mean it's in actual fact the the number of people i've had in and one thing i should say, if you feel you would like a visit one evening, to the plant, then i'm more than welcome to try and organize something for you. but the number of people that i've had in erm both customers and visitors like yourselves, that have been so impressed by the standards of housekeeping and cleanliness and tidiness, for an engineering facility. erm it really is quite outstanding. and we are not the best. @@ -37306,31 +37273,30 @@ erm for example we have a flexible machining system of six machines that replace so that obviously reduces your floor space. and what we are trying to do is attract other business into that floor space. erm we started a contract a year and a half ago with m o d to produce a power pack for a fighting vehicle. -called the a s ninety fighting vehicle, built by ship building down at barrow. +called the a s ninety fighting vehicle, built by ship building down at barrow. we're doing a hundred and seventy nine of these for the british army. a big big contract worth a lot of money. erm there's a repair programme for south african railways, to repair erm all their tractors, big things. er again we're hoping to attract that in maybe next year. so no, we don't want to scale down. -we want to increase, we want er we want to be at for as long as we can. +we want to increase, we want er we want to be at for as long as we can. provide employment for as long as we can. for as many as we can. what about scaling down the engine size? -what about getting into the car market +what about getting into the car market no. no it's we're not we're not in there's there are people who are more established at that bill, better at it and longer at it than we are. we are high speed diesel manufacturers in the big range. in the range that you saw. -erm we we there's a company called . +erm we we there's a company called . erm american company who have a big holding in germany, who produce combine harvesters and this type of stuff, agricultural equipment. we got into a partnership with them to develop a small engine a couple of years ago, for their application. it was down round about the forty two, forty five horsepower mark. but no, we just we couldn't get the cost right. we just couldn't compete at that you need to produce thousands and thousands of these things, to get the economies of scale. and er we just couldn't do it. -and we d actually from that. +and we d actually from that. okay, well. - now i'm ha i'm handing round a summary of last week's lecture, which i hope will make more sense of it, and i have here, if anybody wants to borrow it, a xerox of chapter three in dorkins' book where he explains the blind watchmaker, and the manual for the disk. now for copyright reasons, if you want to do the blind watchmaker, and i'd very much like you to, you've gotta borrow the disk from me, okay? so if you want it, my advice is take the xerox or read the book. @@ -37357,7 +37323,7 @@ so er, however, i think you'll get much more out of it if you come today and do if you do it first, you're gonna really understand what i'm going on about. but er in other words don't worry if you don't understand everything today when you do do it because we'll go over it next erm next week in the lecture and we'll be going over it in classes as well. some of you have done a prisoner's dilemma. -now if you've done a prisoner's dilemma you don't have to come. +now if you've done a prisoner's dilemma you don't have to come. you've already done it okay? now what i want to do in this lecture is to finish off the er introductory part of my, of my remarks and take us up to the point where beginning at twelve o'clock the real part, the real er core of this course begins when we start to look at social theory. now, you'll recall that last week i was talking about darwin's basic concept and i tried to explain it to you and to illustrate it to you. @@ -37368,7 +37334,7 @@ it was not darwin. darwin erm was prevailed upon to use it and did so occasionally, but rather reluctantly, and rightly so. i say rightly so because herbert spencer's theory of evolution was fundamentally different from darwin's, even though it's often confused with it. herbert spencer believed that there was a cosmic metaphysical er life force, if you like, and that evolution to higher, more complex and more integrated entities was a fundamental aspect of physics, biology and sociology. -so he applied it erm more or less universally, not just to biological evolution and as darwin had. +so he applied it erm more or less universally, not just to biological evolution and as darwin had. he applied it to er the evolution of the cosmos as a whole and indeed to society, and believed that there was an ine inevitable onward and upward tendency of evolution from simple to complex, from isolated to unified, from erm stupid to more intelligent and so on. and standing on the pinnacle of course of this process of evolution erm er who were living in the most advanced societies and so on. there's a bust of spencer in the library actually near the, opposite the erm, enquiry desk. @@ -37379,10 +37345,10 @@ now, erm, what's wrong with this if you think about it, is that er it's hard to the trouble with the slogan, survival of the fittest, is that it gives the impression that evolution is all about creating a kind of super race, you know, like you saw in nazi propaganda films, you know, blonde erm muscly beasts as it were, who were the th the sort of pinnacles of, of, of creation. the idea that evolution made organisms fitter in the sense of sporting sense of fitness or personal health. if you think about it, even in terms of sport, the whole concept of fitness is very very ambiguous. -for example, erm, you sumo wrestling but would that make you fit for sprint racing? +for example, erm, you sumo wrestling but would that make you fit for sprint racing? of course it wouldn't. there's nobody in this room who couldn't win a sprint race against a sumo wrestler now, without any practice, even in stockinged feet you could do it. -and yet i don't think there's anybody in this room who could last a minute in a ring with a sumo wrestler because obviously being fit for sumo wrestling is quite different from being fit for sprint running, you need a completely different physique. +and yet i don't think there's anybody in this room who could last a minute in a ring with a sumo wrestler because obviously being fit for sumo wrestling is quite different from being fit for sprint running, you need a completely different physique. so even in terms of sporting meaning of fitness, it means completely different things in different contexts, and it certainly means er different things in terms of evolution. for example, er, males are fitter than females, er human males, in the sense of sporting achievement and this is why all sporting events that we rely on athletic prowess have to be segregated. you can't you know have olympic sports for males and females because males would always win. @@ -37398,7 +37364,7 @@ you can see that modern health care has made no difference, so you can't say it in fact, if anything, little boys die more than little girls, even more now than they used to in the past, so it can't be anything to do with health care in case yeah, yeah, these are all straight out of trivers. erm, ratio of injuries to deaths er for all accidents as a function of age and sex, and again, you can see males have, males do a lot worse than females and i think there's one more, no sorry that's the lot. -erm, the facts are, and this is all in trivers if you want to look up erm if you want to look it up in more detail, that males die more readily than females, from all causes that affect both sexes and some that even don't and you'd be astonished about, like for instance, you gather from john book on the myth of he heterosexual you're not allowed to buy in this country, you have to import it from the u s. +erm, the facts are, and this is all in trivers if you want to look up erm if you want to look it up in more detail, that males die more readily than females, from all causes that affect both sexes and some that even don't and you'd be astonished about, like for instance, you gather from john book on the myth of he heterosexual you're not allowed to buy in this country, you have to import it from the u s. it's a kind of censorship er on the part of the, part of the erm british publishing industry. but that book gave the astonishing statistic that in nineteen ninety, or nineteen eighty eight in the u s, more men died from breast cancer in the u s than women died from heterosexually contracted aids. i mean i didn't know that many men died of breast cancer but apparently they do. @@ -37406,14 +37372,14 @@ not as many as women die of course but men even die of breast cancer. so the point i'm making to you is, is this. that if evolution was all about survival of the fittest, and if men are physically fitter in the sense of sporting prowess, which they unquestionable are, how has evolution produced the situation in which men have less life expectancy than women do from every point of view this far? well, the answer to that of course is that what reduces erm male life expectancy is the very same thing that promotes their reproductive success, namely the direct and the indirect effects of testosterone. -the male sex hormone testosterone er makes males bigger, er they've bigger bones, more muscle and so on, this gives them their sporting prowess and this is why of course er you've had all these better as a result. +the male sex hormone testosterone er makes males bigger, er they've bigger bones, more muscle and so on, this gives them their sporting prowess and this is why of course er you've had all these better as a result. it produces that effect but it also makes er males more aggressive, more likely to take risks, which explains the accident figures, more likely to become involved in violence. -it increases their resting metabolic rate by about five percent engine is running about one twentieth faster all the time, so perhaps this is why it wears out quicker. +it increases their resting metabolic rate by about five percent engine is running about one twentieth faster all the time, so perhaps this is why it wears out quicker. they've got less fat to insulate them from cold. they're generally bigger so when they fall they fall heavier. all this kind of thing. it all adds up to making males survive less well than females. -however, the other consequence of it is it promotes their reproductive success and you can erm you can see that it is indeed an effect of testosterone if you castrated live longer than uncastrated males, and the earlier they're castrated, the longer they live. +however, the other consequence of it is it promotes their reproductive success and you can erm you can see that it is indeed an effect of testosterone if you castrated live longer than uncastrated males, and the earlier they're castrated, the longer they live. so they can expect to live more or less as long as any, as, as, as any woman does. so erm, if you think about it, you could say well okay, if the evolution is all about survival of the fittest and if fitness means surviving longer why doesn't evolution select all males without testes? @@ -37422,7 +37388,7 @@ a male without testes would live longer than a, than a male with them, undoubted but, of course, such a male could never reproduce and natural selection is ultimately a question of reproductive success, not of fitness, and in fact from now on you will find me avoiding the term fitness and instead talking about reproductive success, and you'll find that all the best literature, like trivers' book, does the same thing. so from now on, let's forget the concept of fitness, which was herbert spencer's and not darwin's. let's just remember that it's wrong. -let's not use this awful slogan the survival of the fit fittest for all its social darwinist terms. +let's not use this awful slogan the survival of the fit fittest for all its social darwinist terms. because it's, it's completely wrong and misleading, and let's instead talk about the ultimate bottom line in evolution which is reproductive success. natural selection selects for reproductive success. of course, organisms have to survive and may need to be, to have erm fitness in the sporting sense in order to have reproductive success. @@ -37437,23 +37403,23 @@ and that's basically all it boils down to. so the reason why males die more readily than females, and this is true for nature by the way, not just human levels, it's a practical universal effect that the males die more readily than females, that males are ultimately selected for reproductive success for erm survival as such. everybody, everybody clear on that matter. okay. -one of darwin's big problems and to some extent darwin didn't know about genetics. +one of darwin's big problems and to some extent darwin didn't know about genetics. he had ideas of his own but they were all wrong. -he had a theory but it's wrong. -er, the truth about genetics was discovered more or less the same time darwin put forward his theory in the early eighteen sixties by who was er erm carried out erm experiments in sweetpeas in the monastery garden and apparently sent a copy of his paper to darwin. +he had a theory but it's wrong. +er, the truth about genetics was discovered more or less the same time darwin put forward his theory in the early eighteen sixties by who was er erm carried out erm experiments in sweetpeas in the monastery garden and apparently sent a copy of his paper to darwin. the, the letter was found among darwin's effects unopened. er, if only darwin had opened it, darwin would have saved himself an, all, load of old trouble. so the moral of this folks is, always open your junk mail, even if it's from czechoslovakia. -the only mail i get from czechoslovakia is a junk mail actually, it's all about some wine club that i never want to belong to, but erm, if darwin had only opened it, er don't throw it away, it could be, it could be th it could be the paper from that will save you infinite trouble. +the only mail i get from czechoslovakia is a junk mail actually, it's all about some wine club that i never want to belong to, but erm, if darwin had only opened it, er don't throw it away, it could be, it could be th it could be the paper from that will save you infinite trouble. well, erm, darwin didn't know about genetics and the result of this was he had big problems. one of his big problems was, his theory, as we've seen, demanded genetic variation, and in order to, to provide the raw material for natural selection to work on, it demanded mutations. so darwin had a concept of mutation which was a random genetic change . -erm,was, or so his critics said, that er his theory just would not work and the kind of argument that they produced against him, and poor old darwin really didn't have an answer to this, and i it seemed a very very severe problem at the time was look, supposing that er i'm a mutant you might think. +erm,was, or so his critics said, that er his theory just would not work and the kind of argument that they produced against him, and poor old darwin really didn't have an answer to this, and i it seemed a very very severe problem at the time was look, supposing that er i'm a mutant you might think. i'm a mutant, okay? l s e mutant lecturer gives lecture on mutations. erm, it's kind of er you know, erm, it's a headline in the sunday sport or something. you see, i've never been in the sunday sport. -my colleague has, and everybody rather, rather resents him for that. +my colleague has, and everybody rather, rather resents him for that. it's quite an achievement being in the sunday sport. anyway,wh what'd i say? yes, supposing i'm mutant and i have, i have a mutation which promotes my reproductive success one hundred percent. @@ -37466,75 +37432,75 @@ how, said his critics, can darwin explain how a mutation, even if it's terribly it looked as if blending inheritance, which at that time was believed in, was going to rule out the possibility that erm that such things er could occur. well, of course, darwin really had no answer to that and today we today we do because nowadays we know how evolution works, and erm what we now know that darwin did not know, is that the genetic code is based, this is just an illustration from a standard book, you can find this in more or less any, any book. er, this is actually from i think a scientific american one. -we now know that erm that the genetics is based upon a an organic polymer called d n a, short for acid, a polymer is just the one molecule with repeating making long in principle. -the, it consists of two strands which are made of sugar phosphates and which spiral round each other, and the strands are linked together like, like the, the rungs of a ladder by bases, and there are four bases,and and always pairs up with and er and always pairs up with so that the pattern of bases on one of these sugar phosphate strands always has a corresponding pattern on the other. +we now know that erm that the genetics is based upon a an organic polymer called d n a, short for acid, a polymer is just the one molecule with repeating making long in principle. +the, it consists of two strands which are made of sugar phosphates and which spiral round each other, and the strands are linked together like, like the, the rungs of a ladder by bases, and there are four bases,and and always pairs up with and er and always pairs up with so that the pattern of bases on one of these sugar phosphate strands always has a corresponding pattern on the other. what happens in er in genetics and how the genetic code is passed on, is that er this double strand of er this double strand is unzipped as it were, and it is just like a kind of zip fastener in that the teeth are the corresponding bases. it unzips, producing two separate strands which can then be copied, and this is basically how genetic information is passed on. -within a cell what happens is this right a cell, what happens is that erm d n a is copied on to something called erm r n a, which is a kind of template, messenger r n a, it's a kind of copy and it's a single strand, corresponding to one of the strands on the original d n a with the same base structure. -and it passes through elements in a cell called and as it passes through a the genetic information on the on the r n a d n a is read off and proteins are produced, so the is a kind of read head which reads out the genetic information. +within a cell what happens is this right a cell, what happens is that erm d n a is copied on to something called erm r n a, which is a kind of template, messenger r n a, it's a kind of copy and it's a single strand, corresponding to one of the strands on the original d n a with the same base structure. +and it passes through elements in a cell called and as it passes through a the genetic information on the on the r n a d n a is read off and proteins are produced, so the is a kind of read head which reads out the genetic information. the information it reads is a code which has now been broken and this is the code. this is the genetic code here. erm, bases are read three at a time. -in fact er u here stands for ,in d n a replaces er in r n a replaces in d n a. +in fact er u here stands for ,in d n a replaces er in r n a replaces in d n a. it's a little detail. -what happens is, as the r n a strand goes through the the genetic code is read out three bases at a time and this is a, is a table which reproduces all the three base combinations you can have, and shows you which amino acids they code for. -an amino acid is a chemical sub-unit of a protein, and ultimately everything that happens in a cell it produces some kind of protein, so you can see that erm the triplet or produces erm which is one of the, one of the er amino acids and so on and there are also punctuation marks u a a or u a g means stop, as does u g a, so when, when a r n a template running through a gets to a sequence which reads, where was it now, u a a it stops reading because it knows it's got to the end of the gene. +what happens is, as the r n a strand goes through the the genetic code is read out three bases at a time and this is a, is a table which reproduces all the three base combinations you can have, and shows you which amino acids they code for. +an amino acid is a chemical sub-unit of a protein, and ultimately everything that happens in a cell it produces some kind of protein, so you can see that erm the triplet or produces erm which is one of the, one of the er amino acids and so on and there are also punctuation marks u a a or u a g means stop, as does u g a, so when, when a r n a template running through a gets to a sequence which reads, where was it now, u a a it stops reading because it knows it's got to the end of the gene. that is the way er genetics works. as i said, this is just a very simple fine schematic description for you and you can look at the details anywhere. erm, we don't really need to concern ourselves with it in detail, thank god, because genetics is a terribly complicated business and awfully technical and i don't understand a, a tenth of it, and we don't really need to. -an excellent new book that's come out and you can easily buy because it's only six nine nine, and is book, erm kind of bedtime reading. +an excellent new book that's come out and you can easily buy because it's only six nine nine, and is book, erm kind of bedtime reading. it explains how the genetic code was broken, erm how they discovered about genes and so on, very up to date, scientifically completely correct and a good read. -so, if you want to read up the background to all this, this is th one of the best books and one of the most recent on the reading list, it's on the reading list on the second page or something. +so, if you want to read up the background to all this, this is th one of the best books and one of the most recent on the reading list, it's on the reading list on the second page or something. do you wanna ask a question, or are you just stretching? no, no, stretching stretching, okey-dokey. -erm ah right okay. +erm ah right okay. so wh what i'm saying is erm, our modern view, the consequence of this is our modern view of evolution and i can't think of a better way to illustrate it than this, is that organisms ultimately are, can really been seen, rather like this. this is one of the simplest organisms that we know about. this is something called a t four bacteria . -bacteria is just greek for and er this is a virus which infects the human gut bacterium . +bacteria is just greek for and er this is a virus which infects the human gut bacterium . y you have alo millions of these things in your gut and you need them to help you digest your food. -if your bugs get sick a possibility is they're gonna get sick because they're being attacked by one of these things, and it's a virus, terribly small of course. +if your bugs get sick a possibility is they're gonna get sick because they're being attacked by one of these things, and it's a virus, terribly small of course. it looks a bit like er the lunar module that landed on the moon. it has a, a, a, a head which is a kind of protein capsule, inside which the d n a is curled up. -there's er a collar and a what they call a which is a protein tube and then it has various spikes at the end that make it stick on to the outside of the bacteria. +there's er a collar and a what they call a which is a protein tube and then it has various spikes at the end that make it stick on to the outside of the bacteria. and what happens is, they float around and when they come in contact with a bacterium, they stick into the wall and the d n a tube is inserted through the bacterial wall into the psychoplasm of the bacteria, and the d n a is just pumped into it as if from a hypodermic syringe. -inside the bacterium the d n a of the erm c of the t four bacteria then starts hijacks the cellulum material, like the you saw before, in the cell, and instead of making the things that the cell wants to make, it starts to make bits of the of the t four bacteria . -the head is made, erm, the tail, all the bits are made and eventually they, they all stick together like a kind of lego, and the result is a new bacteria is made and this goes on until eventually the cell, there are so many inside the cell, that erm the cell just ruptures, when there're about two hundred or so, the cell is now bulging with t four bacteria , it ruptures and releases a whole blob of new ones to start the cycle all over again. -now, you may think that er you and i are very different from a t four bacteria but personally, and i on can only speak for myself, i can't speak for you of course, but personally i'm prepared to accept that basically i'm really nothing more than a very very complicated and much bigger t four bacterial . +inside the bacterium the d n a of the erm c of the t four bacteria then starts hijacks the cellulum material, like the you saw before, in the cell, and instead of making the things that the cell wants to make, it starts to make bits of the of the t four bacteria . +the head is made, erm, the tail, all the bits are made and eventually they, they all stick together like a kind of lego, and the result is a new bacteria is made and this goes on until eventually the cell, there are so many inside the cell, that erm the cell just ruptures, when there're about two hundred or so, the cell is now bulging with t four bacteria , it ruptures and releases a whole blob of new ones to start the cycle all over again. +now, you may think that er you and i are very different from a t four bacteria but personally, and i on can only speak for myself, i can't speak for you of course, but personally i'm prepared to accept that basically i'm really nothing more than a very very complicated and much bigger t four bacterial . as far as evolution is concerned, i, and this is really the essence of our modern view, i am really nothing more than the packaging of my genes, because after all this is what evolution acts on. -evolution ultimately selects for the erm reproductive success of individual organisms, and you can see very clearly in the case of the t four bac bacterial that it is really nothing more than the temporary protein packaging of its d n a. -now admittedly, the t four bacterial is a very simple organism, it can't leap about so it doesn't need senses or a brain to direct it, or muscles or anything like that, it can't repair itself or change itself once it's been made, therefore it doesn't need to digest food, er to, to have an immune system or anything like that to repair itself or put itself to rights, it doesn't need anything like that. +evolution ultimately selects for the erm reproductive success of individual organisms, and you can see very clearly in the case of the t four bac bacterial that it is really nothing more than the temporary protein packaging of its d n a. +now admittedly, the t four bacterial is a very simple organism, it can't leap about so it doesn't need senses or a brain to direct it, or muscles or anything like that, it can't repair itself or change itself once it's been made, therefore it doesn't need to digest food, er to, to have an immune system or anything like that to repair itself or put itself to rights, it doesn't need anything like that. erm, it's a very very simplified organism. because it reproduces inside another cell in this parasitic way, erm, it doesn't have to find a mate or even bother to split in half to reproduce by asexual means. it's, it's a very simple organism, but basically what it's there for is to ensure the future of t four genes, and this is what i it's doing, and presumably natural selection has er selected it in such a way that it is an optimum design as far as, as far as doing this er is concerned, because it would be in competition with mutant t fours who did it in different ways, and presumably this is the kind of t four that seems to succeed. and i'm certainly prepared to admit that from the point of view of erm evolution, i too am er little more than a biodegradable package er for my genes, because, after all, if natural selection really were about fitness and perfecting the organisms, in terms of making the organism more perfect, more fit, more survivable, why don't we live forever, or, or almost forever? after all, evolution has been going on now for about four billion years as far as we know and there aren't very many long-lived organisms. there are some, like erm, oak trees live five or six hundred years if they're lucky,pines can live for a thousand years, giant tortoises for two hundred, well these are quite impressive figures, but let's face it it's not very long, erm, compared with the time that evolution has been at it. -why hasn't evolution produced organisms that practically last for selecting for is reproductive success. +why hasn't evolution produced organisms that practically last for selecting for is reproductive success. reproductive success, we now know, and darwin didn't of course, means passing on your genes. -that is what a t four bacteria is for and that's what i am for, and i would suggest y ultimately what you are for as well, and this is why in the end erm nature will cast us aside. +that is what a t four bacteria is for and that's what i am for, and i would suggest y ultimately what you are for as well, and this is why in the end erm nature will cast us aside. we're just the kind of biodegradable packaging. the mistake that the social darwinists like herbert spencer made, and that popular opinion still makes about evolution, is the kind of mistake that aliens might make if they landed in a safeway supermarket car park. -i mean a real safeway, you know, the ones you see in the u s where everything you know, even the trolleys, are seven times bigger, erm n n not like they are, you know, the aliens land in the car park of the maple valley safeways in washington state, and, and observe people coming out of it with enormous piles of shopping. +i mean a real safeway, you know, the ones you see in the u s where everything you know, even the trolleys, are seven times bigger, erm n n not like they are, you know, the aliens land in the car park of the maple valley safeways in washington state, and, and observe people coming out of it with enormous piles of shopping. er, what do they think? they think people are buying cartons and bottles and tins and packets. -they might be astonished to find, soon after, that those very same cartons and bottles and tins have perhaps been thrown out in people's, in people's . +they might be astonished to find, soon after, that those very same cartons and bottles and tins have perhaps been thrown out in people's, in people's . well, of course, you and i know that the reason you go to safeways to buy things is not to get the packaging, not usually, what you're interested in is what's inside the packets. we consume what's inside the packets we buy in our groceries, we consume the contents of the bottle, what's in the carton, we throw it away. it's no, no, no further use to us. it seems to me that's an analogy with natural selection. -if you conceive the, the organism has a temporary packaging as a kind of protein coat around its, its genes, which t four bacteria clearly is, then once the genes have been passed on, the packaging is no further use and can be discarded. -so it seems to me that the existence of death, the fact that organisms don't live forever, and they certainly are not perfected in terms of personal fitness or survivability, because they get diseases and they die suggests to me that our modern insight into evolution acting on individual genes is, is correct. +if you conceive the, the organism has a temporary packaging as a kind of protein coat around its, its genes, which t four bacteria clearly is, then once the genes have been passed on, the packaging is no further use and can be discarded. +so it seems to me that the existence of death, the fact that organisms don't live forever, and they certainly are not perfected in terms of personal fitness or survivability, because they get diseases and they die suggests to me that our modern insight into evolution acting on individual genes is, is correct. namely, that organisms evolved to be the biodegradable packaging of those genes. i know this is a bit of an affront to our high opinion of ourselves as human beings, er, of course many people regard it that way, but erm my view is that er we can't expect science necessarily to tell us things we want to hear. -human fantasy and for our benefit. -had darwin known about this you see darwin could have turned on his critics and said, look, in the first place you're quite wrong about genetics, there is no or at least there doesn't have to be because mutations occur as errors or changes in the base sequences in, in the genetic code. +human fantasy and for our benefit. +had darwin known about this you see darwin could have turned on his critics and said, look, in the first place you're quite wrong about genetics, there is no or at least there doesn't have to be because mutations occur as errors or changes in the base sequences in, in the genetic code. this is our modern concept of a mutation. to go back to my earlier diagram, what happens erm in a, in a mutation, let me find the right one, is that the change occurs in, in these in these bases. -one of these base pairs erm another combination is substituted, either by, by er some kind of error in or by the influence of something like erm bac background radiation or some kind of chemical effect or something like that. +one of these base pairs erm another combination is substituted, either by, by er some kind of error in or by the influence of something like erm bac background radiation or some kind of chemical effect or something like that. a mutation means a single based change in the genetic code which may or may not have er ultimate consequences for the organism. -since erm sexually reproducing organisms are and i've tried to keep technical jargon in this course to a minimum, but one term we'll have to learn is diploid, you can't do without it. +since erm sexually reproducing organisms are and i've tried to keep technical jargon in this course to a minimum, but one term we'll have to learn is diploid, you can't do without it. diploid means that you get two complete sets of all your genes in sexual reproduction, one from each parent. it's just greek for two-ply, that's all it is. it's a greek word meaning two-ply, as in a two-ply bug, a bug with two, two er wires in it. @@ -37544,17 +37510,17 @@ darwin's critics were wrong when they said that all my offspring would inherit h on the contrary, half my offspring will inherit all of it. i will hand on that gene complete to half my offspring, because all my offspring will get half my genes. therefore the chances are, and this is statistical, it's a statistical chance, in general i can expect any mutation in me to be passed on to half my offspring complete. -it won't be dilute, therefore part of my offspring will find their reproductive success enhanced by one hundred percent offspring will find their reproductive success enhanced by one hundred percent. +it won't be dilute, therefore part of my offspring will find their reproductive success enhanced by one hundred percent offspring will find their reproductive success enhanced by one hundred percent. other words, if we think of a mutation as a change in a single gene, then mutations are not diluted. they're handed on complete to every generation and they have their effects in every generation. -and, as you can see, if i did have a m a mutant gene that promoted reproductive success by a hundred percent what natural selection means, enhanced reproductive success.? -always say this because, you know, developments happen all the time, but as far as we know, genes are handed on as complete discrete enti entities, in units is what discovered. +and, as you can see, if i did have a m a mutant gene that promoted reproductive success by a hundred percent what natural selection means, enhanced reproductive success.? +always say this because, you know, developments happen all the time, but as far as we know, genes are handed on as complete discrete enti entities, in units is what discovered. breeding experiments erm showed this. i mean, he didn't know about genes and he was rather lucky that he chose to study the aspects of things he did. -but we now know that what discovered was individual genes and, as far as we know, individual genes are always handed on complete and intact. +but we now know that what discovered was individual genes and, as far as we know, individual genes are always handed on complete and intact. about this myself because i think it's complex. sometimes i think both genes are used, sometimes only one, not the other, and i'm not sure that anybody knows exactly how, how and why that works out but erm -i was hoping not to mention this, but since raised it, we'll have to. +i was hoping not to mention this, but since raised it, we'll have to. erm, some genes are different in that some genes are called dominant and some genes are called recessive. now this is not all, all genes, just some genes. genes. @@ -37570,38 +37536,38 @@ so they go on marrying into their tiny little self-perpetuating group as much as er, yeah, i will say what i was going to say. erm,th the russian royal family have er got it. now, people said, how could darwin explain how something like haemophilia could keep going? -or, of course, what darwin didn't know bu but discovered was haemophilia keeps going because it's recessive. +or, of course, what darwin didn't know bu but discovered was haemophilia keeps going because it's recessive. it hides as it were behind dominant genes which are normally okay. -it only shows itself if by mischance you get two haemophilia genes, two recessives, at that point in your, in your erm you're in very serious trouble. +it only shows itself if by mischance you get two haemophilia genes, two recessives, at that point in your, in your erm you're in very serious trouble. but that doesn't happen very often and natural selection of course will then select out individuals with two recessive genes but since those don't show up very often, it's a rather weak effect. -it's a sex link as you say. +it's a sex link as you say. erm mentioning the white chromosome reminds me of another thing i wanted to say, because erm another variant of this incorrect criticism that people made of darwin about blending , and you still hear this today, and people should know better, especially the social sciences, is, oh, single genes cannot influence behaviour. -even if you had a single gene which is terribly important, erm because human beings are complex everything they do is affected by large numbers of genes a number of examples that contradict that. +even if you had a single gene which is terribly important, erm because human beings are complex everything they do is affected by large numbers of genes a number of examples that contradict that. by far the best one is one suggested by, by the white chromosome as being male. -there is indeed a single gene male which has recently been and it acts as a switch. -and what happens is that if an embryo has the single gene for being male, it happens to have a white chromosome not surprisingly, it turns on thousands of other genes that then make the embryo into a male, but, but that single gene has to be there to act as a switch and that's that gene is also present in alligators and crocodiles so the point i'm making is it is just wrong to say that, that all these discoveries about genetics cut no ice with human evolution, because human things cannot be influenced by single genes. +there is indeed a single gene male which has recently been and it acts as a switch. +and what happens is that if an embryo has the single gene for being male, it happens to have a white chromosome not surprisingly, it turns on thousands of other genes that then make the embryo into a male, but, but that single gene has to be there to act as a switch and that's that gene is also present in alligators and crocodiles so the point i'm making is it is just wrong to say that, that all these discoveries about genetics cut no ice with human evolution, because human things cannot be influenced by single genes. i'm afraid that is not true. the situation is this. -if, if you have, if both your copies of that gene are recessive then it if only one is recessive and the other is dominant, it doesn't both dominant only just beginning to find out, but you're quite right, it is contrary. -there is recent evidence, for instance, that there is want erm different things from what females +if, if you have, if both your copies of that gene are recessive then it if only one is recessive and the other is dominant, it doesn't both dominant only just beginning to find out, but you're quite right, it is contrary. +there is recent evidence, for instance, that there is want erm different things from what females the package does seem to be put together in, in, in one way that seems to be fundamentally fair. -and that is, when, i can't remember what it's called, and erm when the sex cells are made exactly half of an individual's genes go into each, and when sex cells er come together in a fertilized exactly half of each parent's genes are fitted together, so that's completely fair, well almost completely fair, because there are a few genes outside the nucleus that only get they're, they're in a rather minority. -so it looks as if er nature has kind of erm struck a bargain in this respect, that each parent can contribute exactly half, but i think it's, we're only just beginning to find out about what happens then and my guess is about internal conflict between genes because i strongly suspect that there must be a lot of that going on because, as i think you've rightly seen, if we take this view of evolution as selecting for individual genes, then we would expect conflict even within the gender. +and that is, when, i can't remember what it's called, and erm when the sex cells are made exactly half of an individual's genes go into each, and when sex cells er come together in a fertilized exactly half of each parent's genes are fitted together, so that's completely fair, well almost completely fair, because there are a few genes outside the nucleus that only get they're, they're in a rather minority. +so it looks as if er nature has kind of erm struck a bargain in this respect, that each parent can contribute exactly half, but i think it's, we're only just beginning to find out about what happens then and my guess is about internal conflict between genes because i strongly suspect that there must be a lot of that going on because, as i think you've rightly seen, if we take this view of evolution as selecting for individual genes, then we would expect conflict even within the gender. i think w i think how it works it, it's, it's, it's, i don't think you can say it's the right package. i think th th that's a kind of er value judgment, all i can say is well wh i think all you can say is, you end up with a, with a package of genes which you got from your parents. -you may be okay, you may not be okay, you've got two recessives per human figure, you're not er, all one can say is genes are kind of heaped together and natural selection doesn't really care. -what natural selection does seem to care about as far as sex is concerned is that there is constant re-combination and this is a question of sexual that we'll touch on later. -it looks as if sex evolved because it's in the interest of genes to constantly be re-combined self interest not always in company with the same others may want to be er mixing themselves up, so they launch themselves in continually different combinations, and this presumably each gene what, what, what is happening is a constant filtering process all the time, by means of which natural selection is working on basically random changes in the final point i want to make and that's +you may be okay, you may not be okay, you've got two recessives per human figure, you're not er, all one can say is genes are kind of heaped together and natural selection doesn't really care. +what natural selection does seem to care about as far as sex is concerned is that there is constant re-combination and this is a question of sexual that we'll touch on later. +it looks as if sex evolved because it's in the interest of genes to constantly be re-combined self interest not always in company with the same others may want to be er mixing themselves up, so they launch themselves in continually different combinations, and this presumably each gene what, what, what is happening is a constant filtering process all the time, by means of which natural selection is working on basically random changes in the final point i want to make and that's yes, genes, yes. or are they yes, for every, for every individual gene you get from your mother, you get a corresponding individual gene from your father at the same place, place on the perimeter at the same place on the perimeter. -but, but, genes themselves are spread all over the perimeter, so you might well find that er genes there's more of them +but, but, genes themselves are spread all over the perimeter, so you might well find that er genes there's more of them than others, yes, yes, but genetics is a complex issue. -i dare say knows more about this than i do. +i dare say knows more about this than i do. ask her. i just wanna finish with one point. there's one final point i want to make because this acts as a kind of prelude to what we're gonna do now down in s o one eight, and to the main start of the course, and that's this. @@ -37610,14 +37576,14 @@ the argument goes like this. supposing we start off with, erm, we had to explain the origins of cooperation. supposing we start off with a species of selfish individuals. now we, we define cooperation as altruism here and we'll go over this again. -i'm just quickly introducing altruism as any behaviour that promotes the reproductive success of the beneficiary at a cost to the reproductive success of the altruist. -now, imagine what happens if a gene for altruism . +i'm just quickly introducing altruism as any behaviour that promotes the reproductive success of the beneficiary at a cost to the reproductive success of the altruist. +now, imagine what happens if a gene for altruism . what will happen in a population of selfish organisms? -by definition the gene must promote the reproductive success of the selfish organisms at a cost to itself but a gene for altruism could evolve in a population of selfish individuals a population of altruists, in whom a gene for selfishness appears by random mutation. -by definition, the altruistic majority must promote the reproductive success of the selfish the reproductive success of the selfish organism, the mutant, will be far greater than the altruist, and within a few generations of selfish individuals. -it would to find altruism in the way we could find but social cooperation or self-sacrifice or altruism could evolve by natural selection. +by definition the gene must promote the reproductive success of the selfish organisms at a cost to itself but a gene for altruism could evolve in a population of selfish individuals a population of altruists, in whom a gene for selfishness appears by random mutation. +by definition, the altruistic majority must promote the reproductive success of the selfish the reproductive success of the selfish organism, the mutant, will be far greater than the altruist, and within a few generations of selfish individuals. +it would to find altruism in the way we could find but social cooperation or self-sacrifice or altruism could evolve by natural selection. does everybody see that? -q e d, we seem to have proved that what happens all around us cannot namely altruism and cooperation. +q e d, we seem to have proved that what happens all around us cannot namely altruism and cooperation. what we will now do is go down to s o one eight and we will discover the answer to this, or we will begin to discover the answer to this. first by erm having a story and then by playing a game, and in playing that game before us the answer to this deep problem will emerge. we will see how cooperation evolves. @@ -37626,7 +37592,7 @@ are any of you experienced map users? right, okay. if anybody wants blind watchmaker i have it here, ditto evolvematic. yes. -yes, in terms of this definition it has to be because that's the only, that's the bottom line of evolution, and it's the only quantitative measure we can ever have, it's the only when you're ready, there's no hurry. +yes, in terms of this definition it has to be because that's the only, that's the bottom line of evolution, and it's the only quantitative measure we can ever have, it's the only when you're ready, there's no hurry. yeah, good idea. i dunno whether you wanted a mark for this. i gave you one. @@ -37640,14 +37606,14 @@ okay, great. i thought that was really good, well done. fine, thanks a lot. so, that's the other one. -yeah, cos i haven't, i mean there's a lot of reading to catch up on, so i figured -let's just have a look at the erm, let's do the who've we got, bill? +yeah, cos i haven't, i mean there's a lot of reading to catch up on, so i figured +let's just have a look at the erm, let's do the who've we got, bill? malcolm, we haven't got malcolm have we?, isn't it? what's your surname again tracy?, that's right. i've got you down as here for the last three. right, so who's performing today? i am. -right, you are expert. +right, you are expert. well, we're not supposed to start till five past, so let's give them a couple more minutes just in case they're caught in the lift or something. reed, sorry i haven't got reed either have i? no. @@ -37664,7 +37630,7 @@ let me introduce you to the class. this is tracy, this is alex, this is bill, this is theresa, this is katherine and this is hayley, and there are one or two others who aren't here yet who may turn up. now, reed is er joining us just for this term, isn't it? and er we've allocated all the class papers so erm that means you escape unless you really do want to do er a class presentation. -you could perhaps team up with somebody else if you wanted to, so if you see someone and we're just going through the order in which they appear. +you could perhaps team up with somebody else if you wanted to, so if you see someone and we're just going through the order in which they appear. so, so you missed er least week's, that was number one, that's number two . hi, come on in, take a seat. that was susan, wasn't it? @@ -37686,7 +37652,7 @@ i mean, that was a very full and complete account. you obviously did a lot of work for that. what did you read? the introductory lectures, was it? -yeah and then i read +yeah and then i read it is a big book, you're absolutely right. er, well, well done, that was absolutely excellent. i mean, you erm you really did, did cover, cover just about everything. @@ -37756,7 +37722,7 @@ i mean, i've been analyzing every dream i can remember now for the last twenty o erm, but even today er with every dream the same feeling comes and you just have to resolutely ignore it and say well, you know, that's what i thought. in other words, what you've gotta try and distinguish is what you're thinking. in free association what you think about your thoughts and what you think about your thoughts. -as theresa says, we usually try and censor them, try and say no, you know, leave that out, erm, it's as if you had a kind of er censor sitting in your mind telling me, er telling you telling you er er, but it works with me too, erm what you can and cannot say. +as theresa says, we usually try and censor them, try and say no, you know, leave that out, erm, it's as if you had a kind of er censor sitting in your mind telling me, er telling you telling you er er, but it works with me too, erm what you can and cannot say. you know, as if erm, as if there were some censor present who, who, who wanted to make judgments. now, in analyzing dreams that is the single and in a way the only problem. but you can overcome that problem and assemble enough free associations. @@ -37767,17 +37733,17 @@ i mean, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if, if you analyzed this dream you do you know what i mean? the, the, the, you know would, it's quite possible that the, that the manifest content i has completely misdirected your attention and the latent content is really something else. for example, and i'm not saying this is, this is so, but it's not unusual in that kind of dream if it's recurring in the present, to find that really it's about the present and not about the past. -so it seems to be about school anxiety and exam anxieties and so, but those are very common kinds of dreams, but, but very often when you you find they're actually about the present, they're about some recurrent anxiety or conflict in the present which is masquerading as if it were in the past because your associations of what's going on are connected with the past er one way or another. -i mean, for example, i mean i'm not saying this is an association but you might find in your dream, if you look to say i'm back at school, then your association would be but i am at school now, the london school of economics, do you see what i mean? +so it seems to be about school anxiety and exam anxieties and so, but those are very common kinds of dreams, but, but very often when you you find they're actually about the present, they're about some recurrent anxiety or conflict in the present which is masquerading as if it were in the past because your associations of what's going on are connected with the past er one way or another. +i mean, for example, i mean i'm not saying this is an association but you might find in your dream, if you look to say i'm back at school, then your association would be but i am at school now, the london school of economics, do you see what i mean? th th that kind of thing can easily happen, so school now, i e l s e, is represented as the school you went to when you were a kid. i mean,th that's a typical kind of association, that, that it's a link, you can see the link is in the word, but the effect is to, is to misdirect your attention. manifestly you think you're, you're, you're thinking about one school, whereas in reality you're thinking about quite a different one. now i'm not saying that is the basis because only you could supply the, the, the free associations. -while we're on this question, one of the few things that er theresa didn't say, although perhaps she might have said it when i wasn't, i don't think she did but one of the few things she didn't say is why freud disapproved of the typical kind of dream book you find in any book shop. +while we're on this question, one of the few things that er theresa didn't say, although perhaps she might have said it when i wasn't, i don't think she did but one of the few things she didn't say is why freud disapproved of the typical kind of dream book you find in any book shop. er, the meaning of your dreams revealed, you know, you see this kind of, yeah, now why did he disapprove of that kind of analysis? what was wrong with that approach? that's right. -that's the, that's the key point that and were making, that only you or only the dreamer can interpret their own dreams. +that's the, that's the key point that and were making, that only you or only the dreamer can interpret their own dreams. so, it's no good er me looking up in some book theresa's dreams if i could decipher it like some kind of code in which every single thing in the laten in the manifest content represented something latent for what we're trying to then kind of decode as in a code book because er that's not valid, at least it's not valid in general terms. it's a good analogy in terms of theresa's private thoughts. she's got a private code book but the point is that only she knows how the symbols, how the manifest and latent relate to each other, because only she can make those associated links. @@ -37791,11 +37757,11 @@ you're quite right. there is a ch lecture on dream symbols so why, despite this excellent point that j m hayley made, does he still mention symbols? yes, that's it. that's right, as, as, as theresa said at the beginning, one of the prime characteristics of dreams is this kind of visual erm symbolism and in the course of analyzing thousands of dreams of course which he did in his practice, freud found that very often certain fundamental things that people tend to dream about quite a lot tend to appear in lots of people's dreams with similar kinds of er representations, and among the most notorious and obvious of these were things related to sex. -now, freud wasn't saying that every time you dream about an umbrella you're, you're dreaming some kind of sexual wish, erm, but what he's saying is that umbrellas and other things that can erm become erect or open out often do represent but you could conceivably have an umbrella dream in which the umbrella, through your private associations, stood for something completely different, it's quite, it's quite possible. +now, freud wasn't saying that every time you dream about an umbrella you're, you're dreaming some kind of sexual wish, erm, but what he's saying is that umbrellas and other things that can erm become erect or open out often do represent but you could conceivably have an umbrella dream in which the umbrella, through your private associations, stood for something completely different, it's quite, it's quite possible. so we're not saying that every time somebody dreams about an umbrella it means erm that,wh what he was saying is er that kind of visual symbolism often does stand for in this case erm the male genital, but it need not. -it's just a kind of recurrent symbolic erm language and, of course, people develop symbols. -i mean, for instance, in my dreams er cars have taken on a very distinct personal symbolism that has really nothing to do with what you might think, because of personal experiences of mine, and i now know that whenever i dream about cars it always always has this but that's because of something that happened to me and because of my personal erm kind of experiences, so cars have become a dream symbol. -but erm, the, so although he, he, the point i'm making is although it was who says he mentioned symbolism, or became aware of it, it's er, it doesn't conflict with the point th that, that we were making earlier, that the only person who can interpret their dreams is the dreamer ultimately. +it's just a kind of recurrent symbolic erm language and, of course, people develop symbols. +i mean, for instance, in my dreams er cars have taken on a very distinct personal symbolism that has really nothing to do with what you might think, because of personal experiences of mine, and i now know that whenever i dream about cars it always always has this but that's because of something that happened to me and because of my personal erm kind of experiences, so cars have become a dream symbol. +but erm, the, so although he, he, the point i'm making is although it was who says he mentioned symbolism, or became aware of it, it's er, it doesn't conflict with the point th that, that we were making earlier, that the only person who can interpret their dreams is the dreamer ultimately. there's no quick and easy way. susan, did you want to right, let's, let, let's pursue that for a minute. @@ -37805,7 +37771,7 @@ no. why not? right, absolutely. well, in the first place you don't of course, because the, the manifest content may be totally innocent. -it's only when you pursue the associations with the manifest content and ask yourself what does that make me think of, that you start to think of things that you then realize leads to a latent content, which may be sexual in, in, in nature, but why er, even if, as theresa rightly says, we d we have to say it's crude and misrepresentational for that all, all, all dreams are about sex. +it's only when you pursue the associations with the manifest content and ask yourself what does that make me think of, that you start to think of things that you then realize leads to a latent content, which may be sexual in, in, in nature, but why er, even if, as theresa rightly says, we d we have to say it's crude and misrepresentational for that all, all, all dreams are about sex. there's no doubt if you analyze a lot of dreams, that an awful lot of them are as a matter of fact. now why is it? yes. @@ -37823,17 +37789,17 @@ what's their ultimate purpose? theresa did mention it. yeah, yeah, right, to, to maintain the state of sleep. that's th th that was one of freud's fundamental findings. -now, the kind of dream that and we are very thirsty, and you want to go to the bathroom or something, is a dream whi which is the result of a kind of compromise. +now, the kind of dream that and we are very thirsty, and you want to go to the bathroom or something, is a dream whi which is the result of a kind of compromise. on the one hand, says freud, there's a strong desire to go on sleeping, but on the other hand there's this stimulus, i'm terribly thirsty or you know i, i, i, i really do need to go to the bathroom pretty badly, and there's an inner conflict in your mind. one thing, you need to go to the bathroom or, or to get a drink, says wake up and go and do it, the other thing,th th the desire to go on sleeping, says you know, well don't wake now, i want to go on sleeping. so the dream becomes a symbolic expression of this conflict and what very often happens is the there's a kind of compromise in which you go off and look for the bathroom or the drink of water or whatever it is you want, but the dream keeps postponing you finding it, in order to lengthen the dream and the state of sleep, so you go on sleeping for a bit longer. another example of, of a similar thing er that you mentioned towards the end of your paper was where an external stimulus interferes with dreams. for example, er, i had last year in the in the class a student said that they missed an exam. the reason was they set their alarm, they were terribly conscientious about setting their alarm clock so they'd wake up in the morning to go to the exam, and er it was a very loud alarm clock so not the kind of thing you could sleep through, but come the morning of the exam the alarm went off and the student started to dream that they were out hearing church bells or something, you know they're walking around hearing all these church bells, thinking isn't it nice, you know, it's sunday morning, oh i could go on sleeping. -so the very thing that was supposed to wake them up, the noise of the alarm bell, was turned in the dream into a wishful of now i can go on sleeping, okay there's a bell, but it's sunday morning, you know, the bells are ringing, the church bells are ringing, i can go on sleeping, so they went on sleeping and they were late for the exam. +so the very thing that was supposed to wake them up, the noise of the alarm bell, was turned in the dream into a wishful of now i can go on sleeping, okay there's a bell, but it's sunday morning, you know, the bells are ringing, the church bells are ringing, i can go on sleeping, so they went on sleeping and they were late for the exam. so, i mean, there's an example of where there was a conflict and obviously it wasn't just the desire to sleep. my guess is there was also a desire to avoid going to the exam. -so there was a rather more, perhaps a deeper +so there was a rather more, perhaps a deeper than usual, but that's how, that's how freud would interpret that kind of dream. do you think that's convincing? do you think that explains your, your water or bathroom search dreams? @@ -37883,7 +37849,7 @@ yes, in that sense, in that sense, the unconscious thought was expressed but the because ideally if, if, if a dream was really gonna work it would disguise the anxiety under some reassuring manifest content that would stop you feeling anxious and therefore waking, wouldn't it? yes, this, this kind of thing happens to people who've been in traumatic situations, like erm er prisoner of war camps, severe accidents and stuff like that, and freud himself of course saw quite a lot of these cases after the first world war. er, does anybody know what his theory of these was? -well, let me just quickly answer alex's point before i come back er to, to, to erm and jake. +well, let me just quickly answer alex's point before i come back er to, to, to erm and jake. erm,fr if, if you look into these dreams, what very often happens is, or what people report, is that whilst they're experiencing the, the traumatic situation, whatever it may be, being in a prison camp or something, their dreams are often fairly straightforward, they're to do with simple wishful things like being rescued, escaping, getting . after they have been released then these anxiety dreams start. and wh what tends to happen is the dreams are, are, are repetitive, although they often vary in small details, and the idea is, or this was freud's, freud's idea, and basically it's the same as his explanation of anxiety dreams, that, that what is happening here is that the mind has got a very disturbing latent content that it can't forget. @@ -37894,17 +37860,17 @@ er, i think it was hayley first. yes, yes well, of course, sometimes anxiety dreams can be a fulfilment of, of wishes because people can enjoy anxiety. i mean, this is why hollywood you know can make a lot of money out of some pretty horrifying movie, the th the kind of thing i couldn't go to see er cos i get the willies, i can't bear that kind of thing, but some people enjoy being frightened don't they? -i mean, being frightened er spooky kind of you know thing in a lot films can be exciting for some people. +i mean, being frightened er spooky kind of you know thing in a lot films can be exciting for some people. and some dreams, i'm not saying katherine's is, i'm sure it isn't, but, but some people, some people's anxiety dreams are of that kind. th they're being frightened because they enjoy being frightened and there's a kind of perverse wish fulfilment in that. and that, that certainly happens. jake, what were -something interesting happened to me that i never really thought about, erm, but i used to get these dreams where i used to dream that i'd be either falling off a cliff or driving a car and getting into an accident and like or driving off a cliff. +something interesting happened to me that i never really thought about, erm, but i used to get these dreams where i used to dream that i'd be either falling off a cliff or driving a car and getting into an accident and like or driving off a cliff. and i used to wake up like two feet off my bed, like i dunno my, my body what, you were levitating? -i mean i would open my eyes and see myself like that, wake up and then i'd bounce off the bed and then i'd sit there bouncing and, and but i haven't had that in a long time and wh when i thought now a lot of times, if i think that i leave either the front door unlocked, my house unlocked or the garage door open i go and actually check that in the middle of the night. +i mean i would open my eyes and see myself like that, wake up and then i'd bounce off the bed and then i'd sit there bouncing and, and but i haven't had that in a long time and wh when i thought now a lot of times, if i think that i leave either the front door unlocked, my house unlocked or the garage door open i go and actually check that in the middle of the night. and i haven't had these dreams in a long time, and i used to never do anything like that. -so now i always and so i, i'm thinking that it might be that, that i that erm maybe you know like i used to be anxious about something like that and i used to wake up and the dream used to happen, but now that i've double checked that i know for sure that, that i'm safe you know for the night it doesn't happen any more by cutting off possibility +so now i always and so i, i'm thinking that it might be that, that i that erm maybe you know like i used to be anxious about something like that and i used to wake up and the dream used to happen, but now that i've double checked that i know for sure that, that i'm safe you know for the night it doesn't happen any more by cutting off possibility it certainly sounds like it, doesn't it? as if , if you've done that you somehow you feel that you've got no reason to be anxious any more. oh,that's right, a very famous book, yeah @@ -37920,7 +37886,7 @@ i don't know how this happened, but er erm a piece of wood or something fell and and his point was you know, this was quite a long dream, you know,th i the manifest content, the whole argument of the dream, took some time er and his objection was, how could freud's theory explain this? well, erm, does anybody know how freud explained that dream? well, his theory was that this guy was a writer or something, a historian or somebody like that, and freud said it's quite likely that in the past he had had either dreams about a similar dream or conscious fantasies about how he would have felt if he'd been in the french revolution and what might have happened to him. -he'd then possibly forgotten these dreams or fantasies and then when the stimulus of feeling something on the back of his neck happened to him whilst asleep, suddenly the fantasy came back, all as a piece as it were, and it occurred to me that your dream about driving off viaducts might be caused by being asleep, having one of these falling experiences, then relating it to previous thoughts you'd had, you know on the freeway or something, oh my god, how awful it would be if i, if i drove off that bend below, do you know what i mean? +he'd then possibly forgotten these dreams or fantasies and then when the stimulus of feeling something on the back of his neck happened to him whilst asleep, suddenly the fantasy came back, all as a piece as it were, and it occurred to me that your dream about driving off viaducts might be caused by being asleep, having one of these falling experiences, then relating it to previous thoughts you'd had, you know on the freeway or something, oh my god, how awful it would be if i, if i drove off that bend below, do you know what i mean? it's possible isn't it? it's a possibility that it's related to some existing thought you'd had. you know, how easy it would be drive off and, and kill yourself or something. @@ -37944,7 +37910,7 @@ so comfortable really? and i had to make sure i didn't eat them because they were so comfortable. and the strange thing is my boyfriend was dreaming about pizzas at the same time. -and he kept shouting out, feed me, feed me, so i woke up at one o'clock in the morning. +and he kept shouting out, feed me, feed me, so i woke up at one o'clock in the morning. but had, had anybody mentioned pizzas beforehand? or no @@ -37969,7 +37935,7 @@ okay. thanks very much. you'll have to have another go in your dreams theresa. well now you, now you've had a class on it, you'll have to go back to it refreshed and try and crack it. -i did this but it's not for a few weeks time for my presentation on freud, or +i did this but it's not for a few weeks time for my presentation on freud, or oh i know, right, yeah, right. erm, what i wanted do you want to talk to me about that in the tutorial first or would that be ? @@ -37980,7 +37946,7 @@ well look when are we having our next tutorial? do you want to do this in the tutorial? i mean sure. -tomorrow is twelfth of november +tomorrow is twelfth of november yeah, that's right, it is just under two weeks. i could do it then @@ -37992,7 +37958,7 @@ no, that's fine it's not waiting too long? when's my presentation? it's not yet, is it? -it's number seven, we're only on number three that's fine +it's number seven, we're only on number three that's fine oh yeah, you've got quite a bit of time, number seven. yes, you're doing it on, is it number seven? yeah. @@ -38002,16 +37968,16 @@ number eight on the twelfth of november, so you've got plenty of time. twelfth of november? mhm, oh no, it can't be the twelfth of november no, that's the tutorial, it must be much later than that. -sorry, i'm reading the wrong dates here that's right, it can't be the twelfth, i must have meant the fourteenth. +sorry, i'm reading the wrong dates here that's right, it can't be the twelfth, i must have meant the fourteenth. i mean it won't mean me redoing it or anything, it's just a few things that i wanted to yeah okay, i'll do it then. thank you. yeah, we'll do it then -any suggestions on where to get the book book because now once again the dillons i'll be getting my plane ticket ready to go home and then i also wrote a cheque with this one, one book store out at er erm, i forget the name of it, but it's out at er finchley road, it's supposed to specialize in +any suggestions on where to get the book book because now once again the dillons i'll be getting my plane ticket ready to go home and then i also wrote a cheque with this one, one book store out at er erm, i forget the name of it, but it's out at er finchley road, it's supposed to specialize in have they got it? no. -erm i'll, oh dear copies either . +erm i'll, oh dear copies either . the things is there's a small possibility it may be out of print cos there's a new edition in the pipeline. i wonder if they've let it get out of print? i will erm, i tell you what, i'll phone the publishers this morning and see if i can get them to, to er, i need to phone them anyway. @@ -38022,65 +37988,64 @@ okay, great. leave it with me. i will, i'll phone my publishers now and see what i can do i'll see you later on in class -yeah come in. +yeah come in. oh hi oliver, do come in. -good morning publishers . -er, good morning,cou could you put me through to please? -oh, hello , it's christopher here. +good morning publishers . +er, good morning,cou could you put me through to please? +oh, hello , it's christopher here. do you remember i phoned you a week or two ago about some books i wanted? now, they haven't come yet, so erm presumably they're in the pipeline are they ? - or whatever we don't really have the time, people just say, oh it's charts. erm and i'm responsible really for the historical side of the business, not only the all for all the furnishings and erm that kind of thing and refurbishing the house, but also for its future as we hope a living history event in the fullness of time. we've at least two or three years to go before that happens. also for the audio tour and generally for making sure that everything is kept on an even keel historically and that people keep on the right lines. there is also a staff of er other people, the ones that you you already know michael who is is really responsible for the as it were welfare of volunteers and there's another er what four people aren't there. -er er also who do i'm sure. -no they er they do things like fund raising and and er er the office and there's obviously somebody who the posters and design work and guy fawkes and that sort of thing. +er er also who do i'm sure. +no they er they do things like fund raising and and er er the office and there's obviously somebody who the posters and design work and guy fawkes and that sort of thing. now what i'd like to do today is to erm take you round the house in a moment or two, see what you think of it and really to treat this as something whereby you see if you want to come and help us. -and we see whether we think we can tolerate you . +and we see whether we think we can tolerate you . erm that's putting it bluntly because erm obviously being a volunteer is a sort of two way thing, we couldn't run without volunteers, we're very grateful for the ones we've got but so it's clearly a matter of whether you decide and whether you like the way we like to run things or or not. and we've had people quite often in these sessions eventually have said, well no i don't i don't think i will. because er there's too much , because they didn't like the way things were run, something like that and on occasions we have had to say to people, we're sorry, we just don't think you're the right kind of person for us. so it it is a sort of selection process a sort of mutual selection process. and the first thing i have to say a about the way the the place runs, is that it doesn't run like an ordinary museum, nor does it run like and ordinary house. like for instance fairfax house or anything like that. -they're guides and stewards are really partly kind of guards. +they're guides and stewards are really partly kind of guards. now that doesn't really work here because we have a policy that we don't have notices, you may have noticed already, we don't have notices saying don't and we don't object to people sitting on the furniture, handling this and that, doing what they like. in fact we actually encourage them to do so. we don't say you can't take photographs because we actually like them to take photographs, we do reckon it's a little bit of publicity for us. -and we have never apart from i think we've lost one spoon which was the since we started so er we don't leave valuable things around but it's an important consideration to think that our most valuable things are things it would take four large strong men to move +and we have never apart from i think we've lost one spoon which was the since we started so er we don't leave valuable things around but it's an important consideration to think that our most valuable things are things it would take four large strong men to move i mean like like the heavy furniture. so so so i say that first because we have in the past had people who felt worried by this attitude, they felt you know that they really they were people who perhaps had a background in the national trust and who really felt that it was their job to say, oh no don't touch that. now in fact that's not what we like our stewards to do, what we like our stewards to do is actually to help people to enjoy themselves, to help people to erm to enjoy the house and to sit on things and and and actually say, no please sit down on that if you like to, it's perfectly alright, that's what it's for. erm also i mean and to help them with the audio tour, because the audio tour despite all our efforts to be clear about how it works, continually confuses people and they sort of, oh where am i, i thought i was in here. -so you will eventually get the opportunity to take as mike has maybe already told you, get eventually get the opportunity to take the audio tour yourself, so you can see where things are. +so you will eventually get the opportunity to take as mike has maybe already told you, get eventually get the opportunity to take the audio tour yourself, so you can see where things are. erm the audio tour er and just to say something about it, is in the process of being revised. there are two audio tours, there's the short one which simply says, this is here and that's there, that's that. and it's just two voices, quite sort of, one man's voice and one woman's voice. then there's what we call the long tour, which has got seven characters from the house's history on it. -robert hardy, the actor, plays william alderman er and it's the tour is just about to be re-cut er so that judi dench can be introduced into it as lady . -at the moment we have a tour which has somebody else playing lady but we've got judi dench now so that's that's that. +robert hardy, the actor, plays william alderman er and it's the tour is just about to be re-cut er so that judi dench can be introduced into it as lady . +at the moment we have a tour which has somebody else playing lady but we've got judi dench now so that's that's that. and both these tours enable people to go round the house on their own. right that's something about the way things work, and as we go round i'll tell you you know, what the precise duties cos they are various of the er of the er the stewards are. and what are the rewards, well what we find and and i must say, i was really touched by it, particularly with some of our our stewards, they say that they really like they love the house and they feel it's their own. i mean we've always encouraged people to feel it was their own. -erm we do try and be nice to them we do try and give them presents occasionally like little, you may have seen some of them wearing little lions head badges which er are part of the arms of william that we had made. +erm we do try and be nice to them we do try and give them presents occasionally like little, you may have seen some of them wearing little lions head badges which er are part of the arms of william that we had made. we actually at long last, now the winter's nearly over, are having made for them some big heavy red cloaks for those who are standing on duty in the courtyard. er not to costume them you understand but simply because a cloak is something that can be worn by a man or a woman and can be worn over whatever you have on. and er it took us a long time to get the special material because as you will gather, we tend to do everything properly, so we had to have the a cloth specially woven er handwoven of course and especially dyed and for once we had it especially fooled in other words the nap was raised. -but water powered er water powered erm wooden hammers in the museum textile industry so it's ever so accurate . -erm been there before. +but water powered er water powered erm wooden hammers in the museum textile industry so it's ever so accurate . +erm been there before. i think it's probably sensible in a moment if we actually take the a walk round the house mm. er in the way that we would if we were visitors. but first of all erm i'll just say something, i'll say it inside cos it's a bit cold out, about the history, the background of the house. -we're actually in a part of barley hall now accidentally except that this part has been so georgianized that we haven't incorporated into the medieval house it's used as an office. +we're actually in a part of barley hall now accidentally except that this part has been so georgianized that we haven't incorporated into the medieval house it's used as an office. but the whole house was acquired by the york archaeological trust in nineteen eighty seven. at that time it was a kind of derelict brick structure, part of which er over there, the bit that's at right angles to where we are now, was in a was a plumber's showroom or had been and this part was actually derelict and had a demolition order on it. er it had been bought previous to that in nineteen eighty five by a local businessman who wanted to turn it into offices, but when he got his architect in, russell wright who's his architect . when he got his architect, the architect said, look what you have underneath all this brickwork is a complete shell of a medieval building. -and when the businessman er realized he very generously sold it to the trust er i believe the same i don't know, i believe it was the same . +and when the businessman er realized he very generously sold it to the trust er i believe the same i don't know, i believe it was the same . and we began the long process of actually sort of causing it to be reborn. i think what we'll do is we'll go down to the courtyard and i can show you more erm how that was done. what we'll be doing at first then is just to take an overview of the house, you wouldn't necessarily get that on an ordinary tour. @@ -38104,13 +38069,13 @@ often they were missing altogether and there was just a kind of gap where the ti a kind of er reverse erm like a mould really. but as that was done, all the timbers were either photographs or their apertures were drawn or they were er sometimes they were even rubbed like a brass rubbing to see where they joins were. and also if they had a timber like that one there where they had obviously a joint in it, the position of the joint was marked . -so that was done, the plans established, and then being an archaeological trust the excavation began to see what was under the hall. +so that was done, the plans established, and then being an archaeological trust the excavation began to see what was under the hall. and that was done piece by piece as it was possible to do it. -this alleyway was shut for a few months and we hello. +this alleyway was shut for a few months and we hello. hello. we took it back down to its medieval level. so in fact we dropped the alleyway in nineteen ninety one, that was the line of the alleyway, the horizontal line along along there. -so in order to get back to the medieval level, we took it back down to there and we caused the to slope. +so in order to get back to the medieval level, we took it back down to there and we caused the to slope. those of you who know york will perhaps remember that you used to have to duck if you were any height at all to get underneath there, well you don't now. it's not because you've got any shorter, but we've dropped the whole level . @@ -38122,43 +38087,43 @@ in other words, who owned it, why, when was it built and so on. oh and the fourth thing that happened is the timbers, core samples were taken out of the timbers and they were sent for erm dendrochronology. tree ring dating. . well that came back, everyone's hearts in their mouths,. -erm that said that this part of all ten samples came out the same, ten tree ring dating samples and said the timbers er of which that had been built, had been felled in the spring of thirteen sixty. -and they said may which we thought was it a bit really but they said it had the the spring wood but not the summer wood on it. +erm that said that this part of all ten samples came out the same, ten tree ring dating samples and said the timbers er of which that had been built, had been felled in the spring of thirteen sixty. +and they said may which we thought was it a bit really but they said it had the the spring wood but not the summer wood on it. so in the spring of thirteen sixty, and they said that this was much more complicated, most of the timbers dated from about fourteen fifty although there was one that dated from twelve eighty nine and clearly was renewed and one of the roof timbers was about fifteen twenty, perhaps a repair. but by and large, fourteen fifty. so thirteen sixty, fourteen fifty. -by that time i had already established because i did the documentary stuff, i'd already established the ownership of the house and the house began life as the town house of a monastery called priory. +by that time i had already established because i did the documentary stuff, i'd already established the ownership of the house and the house began life as the town house of a monastery called priory. er belonging to the augustinian black canons near wakefield. -and they began it in thirteen sixty, the time when york was just beginning to become er the most of importance as the second city of medieval england. +and they began it in thirteen sixty, the time when york was just beginning to become er the most of importance as the second city of medieval england. they built it as their headquarters of york. not as a church, people have got the wrong idea, we sometimes get these tour guides going round saying, oh was there a monastery here? no there was never anything like that. -it was simply their headquarters where they came to trade , where they came to er perhaps attend law courts but particularly where the prior of came when he came to do services at the minster because he was a canon of york as well as being canon or the parish of bramham which gave him a seat in the cathedral. -and so he got space to build a house and they began it began this part in thirteen sixty although it's clear that there was an earlier house here, perhaps built at the time when they first got the back in the eleven seventies. +it was simply their headquarters where they came to trade , where they came to er perhaps attend law courts but particularly where the prior of came when he came to do services at the minster because he was a canon of york as well as being canon or the parish of bramham which gave him a seat in the cathedral. +and so he got space to build a house and they began it began this part in thirteen sixty although it's clear that there was an earlier house here, perhaps built at the time when they first got the back in the eleven seventies. but nothing of that survives at all. so thirteen sixty they began that. and and nearly a hundred years later, ninety years later, this was begun here. -there was certainly a third wing which is marked by that there +there was certainly a third wing which is marked by that there mm. which is er actually exactly the same height of gable as the gable on this side. and we think probably it was a parallel wing, probably also of thirteen sixty. . here briefly, because we'll see them on the inside, you've got the main bed-chambers above . here you've got the hall, you've got the pantry . -in that wing, possibly more lodgings, possibly some stabling, possibly a little oratory or chapel since they were canons. +in that wing, possibly more lodgings, possibly some stabling, possibly a little oratory or chapel since they were canons. l long after they built this however, they let the whole house out. they leased the whole house out to a man called william . partly because they themselves were running running short of money er they they had a er lost a lot of lawsuits and they'd spent a lot of money rebuilding their abbey church their priory church over at . and partly because york was going down the plughole a bit in the fourteen fifties as well. -and so they decided they didn't want their house any more and they would lease it to citizen. -they leased it to a man called william who was a goldsmith. -this man, chamberlain, sheriff, lord mayor of york, member of parliament for the city, er master of the king's mint, an important man, a local man, come up in the world quite a lot cos his grandfather had just been an apothecary living on the corner of er grape lane going up and up and up. -his own son, william's son, who was called erm moved out into the country, married an heiress and became a gentleman with a coat of arms . +and so they decided they didn't want their house any more and they would lease it to citizen. +they leased it to a man called william who was a goldsmith. +this man, chamberlain, sheriff, lord mayor of york, member of parliament for the city, er master of the king's mint, an important man, a local man, come up in the world quite a lot cos his grandfather had just been an apothecary living on the corner of er grape lane going up and up and up. +his own son, william's son, who was called erm moved out into the country, married an heiress and became a gentleman with a coat of arms . rise and you got richer and richer and richer, then you became a gentleman. -and that er that's what happened to the 's and they're still about actually. +and that er that's what happened to the 's and they're still about actually. we still hear from some of them. they've gone down in the world again a bit. still around. -erm so that is and what we're doing is to try and recreate the appearance of the house as it was not in the time when the canons had it, but when william had it because we know a lot about him and his family and also we know more about the furnishings of that period. +erm so that is and what we're doing is to try and recreate the appearance of the house as it was not in the time when the canons had it, but when william had it because we know a lot about him and his family and also we know more about the furnishings of that period. and what we shall eventually do is to turn it back, when we've finished furnishing it, we'll put the people back in again. have it as a working medieval household. but that's a long way off. @@ -38166,42 +38131,42 @@ mhm. but at least two years because it would take us that time to furnish the house. let's not get any colder, we'll go and go in. as you'll see one of the jobs that the volunteers do is to stand here . -it is un unusually quiet even even for us. by the shop i think. +it is un unusually quiet even even for us. by the shop i think. aren't you cold? not really. my feet are cold. -we've got six meetings and today so +we've got six meetings and today so oh heavens. yeah. new volunteers. -this is the shop as is self evident and one of the i said there were some benefits erm the stewards do get a discount in the shop. +this is the shop as is self evident and one of the i said there were some benefits erm the stewards do get a discount in the shop. yes they do yeah. the point about the shop is that erm it sells things on a medieval theme and more specifically it has we have this undertaking that if you see it in the house, you can buy it in the shop. er a lot of the things are made specially for us, for instance these spoons. which are based on an example one of the only two example of york made medieval pewter in yorkshire museums. so we shall use this at our great banquet which i'll tell you about in a moment when we go round, which is our next event. -so goods with a medieval theme, some of them very special like this czech bohemian glass which is we're the only stockists in the country, it is very expensive but it is very lovely and each piece is handmade. +so goods with a medieval theme, some of them very special like this czech bohemian glass which is we're the only stockists in the country, it is very expensive but it is very lovely and each piece is handmade. erm so you do get a discount on that. but if you were a visitor, you would start your tour here. -cos you would come and you would buy the ticket from linda who would give who would give you a or from if he was here. +cos you would come and you would buy the ticket from linda who would give who would give you a or from if he was here. . and you would you would take your ticket then and that would be your entrance ticket. so this is where you would start off. do come back anyway here and have a look round at some of the other things, but that's the point of the shop, to sell things with a medieval theme. mostly things connected with the house although we do again another thing, we've taken to selling these eastern european . direct they come directly from . -and also because we're very keen on textiles, these special scarves volunteer's wearing which are these herringbone vegetable dyed scarves. +and also because we're very keen on textiles, these special scarves volunteer's wearing which are these herringbone vegetable dyed scarves. erm anyway, that's where you start your tour, and you get your ticket and you sort of wave it round here. see you later. thanks. see you later. -you wave it round here it's a good day isn't it apart from being cold. +you wave it round here it's a good day isn't it apart from being cold. it is. . . now this is where you come in erm and this is where we've we've done something which er we think is quite clever, this here is the back facade of barley hall and when we got it it was not medieval at all, there was no timber framing left, it was just this this er brick here, so we didn't want to fake it up to look medieval on the outside. we thought that would be not at all the thing to do, a bit too disneyland. -on the other hand we did want to keep it medieval looking on the inside, so what we did was we installed these yorkshire sliding casement but on the inside as you can see at the top window, we put panel window. +on the other hand we did want to keep it medieval looking on the inside, so what we did was we installed these yorkshire sliding casement but on the inside as you can see at the top window, we put panel window. so once you're inside you're in a medieval environment. all your outside is not too intrusive. er eventually we hope to have a little victorian style garden here cos this is a bit bare and uninviting. @@ -38219,24 +38184,24 @@ yeah. oh good good. . is elsie one of our most valued volunteers and part time cleaner . -erm so you'd come in here and you would be asked well you would be asked what would they be asked whether they -well first they want to know you know, which wh we've got a new system haven't we +erm so you'd come in here and you would be asked well you would be asked what would they be asked whether they +well first they want to know you know, which wh we've got a new system haven't we mhm. put down for the you know for fire precautions and things . mhm. so do they go down as a new intake. search me i don't know. -oh five, six, seven, eight. +oh five, six, seven, eight. yeah. so erm well first you you welcome them and then say, erm you know, how much time have they got because we offer two tours. -one takes twenty minutes which is dr is taking them round and telling them about the hall. +one takes twenty minutes which is dr is taking them round and telling them about the hall. and the other one takes seventy minutes or longer if they wish to examine things. and then when they've decided which you'll have erm the slip from the shop mm. and you put long or short tour and then the numbers right. on the cassettes down. -and erm usually if there's space you ask them to sit just to listen to the introduction and then move on. +and erm usually if there's space you ask them to sit just to listen to the introduction and then move on. and they go around er and you warn them about the erm the steep steps into the rooms because the oak is quite deep. and if if they have children, to take them up on the wall side of the stairs because you know . and just wish them good . @@ -38249,38 +38214,38 @@ yes. each have one of these. thank you. erm just so that you can er take it away and have a look at it later on. -do the tours cost the same for each +do the tours cost the same for each yes they do. -yes yes entrance and er no it's up to them whether they're just visiting +yes yes entrance and er no it's up to them whether they're just visiting mm. or whether they're really are interested. -occasionally you'll get people who don't want to take at all. +occasionally you'll get people who don't want to take at all. that's true you don't have to. but they don't really get much out of it i suspect if they don't. -erm it's usually sort of teachers and people who just like to see erm ahead for the school class to bring them later. -but in that case you just take a piece of new paper and put the down and put it on the clip. +erm it's usually sort of teachers and people who just like to see erm ahead for the school class to bring them later. +but in that case you just take a piece of new paper and put the down and put it on the clip. so when when they bring the cassettes back i find it easier because you can get in quite a rush at times and you can't keep up with . -if you put the cassettes on there although we should be having a new system +if you put the cassettes on there although we should be having a new system but still they seen checking up don't they dr . yeah. -well +well so then yeah yeah mm. it it it's not that complicated. -no it's it's just getting the rhythm of doing it really . -but sometimes it gets quite busy and it's -saturday but that was a result of that radio programme, we had eighty seven people time of year did they? +no it's it's just getting the rhythm of doing it really . +but sometimes it gets quite busy and it's +saturday but that was a result of that radio programme, we had eighty seven people time of year did they? oh good . -yes yes. -and they'd all took the long tours you know they really were interested -we've a new sound system coming and that's going to be mounted behind the there's a there's a great hole behind there you know which is actually the size of the range of one of the medieval kitchens. +yes yes. +and they'd all took the long tours you know they really were interested +we've a new sound system coming and that's going to be mounted behind the there's a there's a great hole behind there you know which is actually the size of the range of one of the medieval kitchens. i say one of the medieval kitchens cos the kitchen seems to move about a bit er at different times. but this is the room eventually we're going to use i mean not for a long time yet, as a working medieval kitchen. working when we've got the household working. -but at the moment we need it desperately for what it is which is a kind of entrance and p place where people can sit and and begin their tour. +but at the moment we need it desperately for what it is which is a kind of entrance and p place where people can sit and and begin their tour. the idea of the tour which you can take yourselves . -the idea of the tour is so that they can actually er listen to it, but they can turn it off whenever they want and they can use their guide book to see what is in each room and if you look at the guidebook as we go round, you will find that that the things are illustrated, you know the pot . -and this is erm this is a pot that we had made after much +the idea of the tour is so that they can actually er listen to it, but they can turn it off whenever they want and they can use their guide book to see what is in each room and if you look at the guidebook as we go round, you will find that that the things are illustrated, you know the pot . +and this is erm this is a pot that we had made after much iron? no it's bronze which is even more difficult. er it is rather heavy but you're welcome to carry it. @@ -38312,7 +38277,7 @@ so one of the things that suppliers are told is they must on no account stress o it's gets distressed quick enough doesn't it on its own. yeah. erm so i mean this is this is never distressed but it's beginning to look a bit ancient now. -so as they go round they get they look at their guidebooks, they're told all the are. +so as they go round they get they look at their guidebooks, they're told all the are. erm . and er if they're on the short tour there's just a straight you know, says this is the kitchen and this would be this that and the other. @@ -38350,14 +38315,14 @@ salt glazed stoneware. that is erm you chuck in rock salt when the k kiln is very very hot and then run like blazes cos it sends up hydrochloric acid. erm so that's salt glazed stoneware. erm these are quite posh drinking cups called , funnel necked jugs. -and they were the originals of these were made in a place called in germany. +and they were the originals of these were made in a place called in germany. and these'll be for the banquet and i'll explain the banquet later on as we go on. but this is the nothing like finished but quite soon, in the next couple of weeks, we shall be putting some windows in here with shutters. and the windows we shall put in here are the type of windows called a fenestral which are made of linen and i'll show you one of those later on rather than explain it now. so we're putting a pair of fenestrals in here. this is the buttery and the next room to it is the pantry. which is pretty bare . -so the pantry is er as its name suggests, the pantry is actually breadroom the place where the pain is kept, the the the dry goods more than the wet goods. +so the pantry is er as its name suggests, the pantry is actually breadroom the place where the pain is kept, the the the dry goods more than the wet goods. so if you can imagine the food being cooked in there and if you like, plated up in here and while the butler, the man who works in the butlery or the buttery does the drink, the pantler, the man who looks after the bread is plating the food out there. now originally he would have given it to the servers who would have taken it out here. follow you? @@ -38370,7 +38335,7 @@ yes straight into there. now that's what he originally would have done, you see he would have taken it out of here straight into the hall. now he he can't do that now because there's a public alleyway through, and the public alleyway has been here at least since sixteen ninety one. if you just step outside for a minute. -as we can see rather graphically here, the difference in if you stand back against that wall if you would very kindly, erm you see here the difference in level between nineteen ninety +as we can see rather graphically here, the difference in if you stand back against that wall if you would very kindly, erm you see here the difference in level between nineteen ninety mm. that's the level at which you would have been walking along this alleyway in nineteen ninety and about fourteen sixty. that's how much was actually excavated away. @@ -38381,7 +38346,7 @@ thank you. so the public don't do that but i just thought i'd like to show you how how . so we're working on the buttery and pantry, particularly the buttery. every now and again, we run up against what you might call a medieval . -erm because of having to do everything as much as we can the medieval way, if we were ordinary people and we said we wanted to tile we'd say, oh well we'll go out and buy some tiles. +erm because of having to do everything as much as we can the medieval way, if we were ordinary people and we said we wanted to tile we'd say, oh well we'll go out and buy some tiles. but we can't do that because we have to make our tiles in the way that's most . the reason being that when tiles are made, they're made with clay in a big frame and then they're cut with a thing like piano wire. but they have to be dried in sunlight before they can be fired. @@ -38389,18 +38354,18 @@ if you don't, the damp comes through later on underneath the glaze, so we've got so there's a medieval problem . well and that's we were delayed a whole month in tidying the whole because it was such a rotten wet summer, we couldn't get the tiles . tell me . -no the kind of candles we have in here . +no the kind of candles we have in here . tallow candles yes. -which are much cheaper than the beeswax ones being used in the . +which are much cheaper than the beeswax ones being used in the . cos you seem to get them from like all over. well what was here basically. what what we know to have been here. yeah. -this is the which is actually much further on in its decoration that most of the rooms, in fact all it really needs is some cushions and the window glass here. +this is the which is actually much further on in its decoration that most of the rooms, in fact all it really needs is some cushions and the window glass here. this is the , the room where we think probably the owners of the house sort of did their business and met their private customers. -erm most of the furniture we choose either because we know it from inventories and lists to have been the kind of thing that was in middle class households in york, or in some cases like this, where we know the 's have actually owned something like this. -william was left a red chest of flanders by his grandmother who was called alice in fourteen twenty nine. +erm most of the furniture we choose either because we know it from inventories and lists to have been the kind of thing that was in middle class households in york, or in some cases like this, where we know the 's have actually owned something like this. +william was left a red chest of flanders by his grandmother who was called alice in fourteen twenty nine. what's it made of? oak. erm @@ -38409,7 +38374,7 @@ well you see most medieval furniture of this type was painted. was it? it was usual to paint furniture. mm. -and we know that he was left this red chest of flanders so we sought for a flanders chest, that's a chest probably actually made in north germany but imported through flanders and we found a yorkshire example in a place called near ripon. +and we know that he was left this red chest of flanders so we sought for a flanders chest, that's a chest probably actually made in north germany but imported through flanders and we found a yorkshire example in a place called near ripon. and we copied it mm. not only as to its erm very elaborate tracery patterns and and mythical beasts on it like that, around here, but also as to its colour cos although the original we found was actually blackened, when one took when i took a very powerful torch to it, you could actually see the colour in the crevices still, this red colour. @@ -38421,7 +38386,7 @@ so erm there it is, the red chest as it's known. erm everything is done in the most accurate way we can. so we don't use mild steel, we use wrought iron. all the wood is this nearly all the wood is oak cos most medieval furniture is oak. -this however is not oak it's sit on it somebody. +this however is not oak it's sit on it somebody. this is what's call was called in york a throwen chair and don't mistake that for thrown, er it's a throwen or c or or turned chair. cos the local turners wood turners were known as throwers. er cos they threw things rather like throwing a pot. @@ -38435,10 +38400,10 @@ it's very very wide isn't it. yes it is well we just copied it exactly. it's actually not uncomfortable to sit in when you get used to it. i mean were people sitting with robes on or something? -people were sitting the main point of the chair is is to enable you to to write and it's actually very satisfactory to write in, it's just the right height. +people were sitting the main point of the chair is is to enable you to to write and it's actually very satisfactory to write in, it's just the right height. er if you're writing . mm. -erm this is taken again from medieval pictures and one of the materials we use in this house quite a lot which is is horn. +erm this is taken again from medieval pictures and one of the materials we use in this house quite a lot which is is horn. so this is these ink horns actually are ink horns. equally these are horn books, do pick them up and wander about with them. they were the earliest type of school text book erm which came in in about fourteen fifty, er to teach your a b c which you just copied and copied and copied until you got it right. @@ -38452,23 +38417,23 @@ i'm not going to do it cos it's full of of jugs and then it tips back on itself erm it's only decorated on the front cos it when it folds it folds flat along the back edge . mhm. and it's got these animal feet. -if you you when you if you're interested, go and have a look at your pictures by hieronymus bosch, interiors by people like hieronymus bosch and er roger van der and people like that and you'll find this table keeps well a table like this keeps appearing. -sometimes sixteen sides at the top. -why did they have a folding table for travelling or +if you you when you if you're interested, go and have a look at your pictures by hieronymus bosch, interiors by people like hieronymus bosch and er roger van der and people like that and you'll find this table keeps well a table like this keeps appearing. +sometimes sixteen sides at the top. +why did they have a folding table for travelling or do to make more room i mean the furniture was much less monumental than ours is if you see what i mean. it was this room may think is sparse but is almost over furnished by medieval standards. they didn't tend to have a lot of furniture. and these because you always wanted to be able to adapt rooms for different purposes and this folded back against the wall. -that's the it needs cushions. +that's the it needs cushions. the cushions are being made . it's very comfortable. well it won't be if you sat there for too long. no but it that if that's an old fashioned design, i mean we designed that as being something that his granny might have had. so sort of late fourteenth century. -that's actually the very latest thing in in in primitive carving on here. +that's actually the very latest thing in in in primitive carving on here. which is in fact the new newest thing in fourteen eighty . -they they just as as a storage space. +they they just as as a storage space. but er there's a footboard there. mm. looking up at the roof, the roof of the whole of this hall range and indeed of the other part is is done in the same way. @@ -38483,7 +38448,7 @@ and it's been a jolly good roof i will say, it's not let there's never been no p it's a very good roof. are the pegs attached to the tiles so they hang on the the lathes ? yes the pegs the pegs go through the tiles so the tiles are are made with little square hole. -tiles were the ro making the tiles was a major operation because erm when they first tried to make the tiles they tried they dug a hole big hole at rawcliffe and they they tried to make forty thousand tiles, line them all up in the pit and they brought something like forty tonnes of dry wood chippings from the erm saw mills in er forest but they couldn't quite get it hot enough so the whole lot had to be thrown away do again. +tiles were the ro making the tiles was a major operation because erm when they first tried to make the tiles they tried they dug a hole big hole at rawcliffe and they they tried to make forty thousand tiles, line them all up in the pit and they brought something like forty tonnes of dry wood chippings from the erm saw mills in er forest but they couldn't quite get it hot enough so the whole lot had to be thrown away do again. so erm anyway they they they did do it in the end. mm. erm this is another piece of erm import. @@ -38503,17 +38468,17 @@ these textiles to be brief are the type called in the inventories,say. s a y. the type of cloth is say. it's a light but closely woven cloth and the weave is based no medieval cloth hangings survive. tapestries do, cloth hangings don't. -erm the ta the the weave is based on the discovery of a seal, an seal,were the royal officials who were responsible for the quality of exported cloth. +erm the ta the the weave is based on the discovery of a seal, an seal,were the royal officials who were responsible for the quality of exported cloth. and some of these were found in bristol harbour er and the pattern of the cloths was pressed in to the lead so we were able to put a microscope to that and see how it should be woven. they're woven as you see on thirty six inch wide hand-looms. just with a without a flying shuttle, passing the shuttle back and forth. -they're dyed also naturally in the medieval way with red for the madder and then welled to give the yellow as the basis of digris and then a woad an indigo from woad erm slightly cheating there because we couldn't have enough woad, we have to use import the actual substance. +they're dyed also naturally in the medieval way with red for the madder and then welled to give the yellow as the basis of digris and then a woad an indigo from woad erm slightly cheating there because we couldn't have enough woad, we have to use import the actual substance. so you dye it yellow and then you dye it blue and it goes that green. -we are planting four acres of woad in order to have a blue bed for next year cos there isn't enough woad is is is in rather short supply so we have to grow our own. -so these are hangings erm hung on tenterhooks directly hammered straight into the wall. +we are planting four acres of woad in order to have a blue bed for next year cos there isn't enough woad is is is in rather short supply so we have to grow our own. +so these are hangings erm hung on tenterhooks directly hammered straight into the wall. no rails or anything like that. the tenterhooks that are hooks used for stretching or tentering the cloth in the process of making it. -and you just hammer them the poor old cloth workers they've got used to me now, they had an awful fit at the time, you can't do that. +and you just hammer them the poor old cloth workers they've got used to me now, they had an awful fit at the time, you can't do that. i said yes i can,stick it straight on. the idea being that if you wanted to move the cloth which we will be doing for the banquet, you just lift it straight off there, hammer some more tenterhooks in somewhere else and put it on there as well. erm even tapestries like the devonshire hunting tapestry which you may have seen at the v and a. er the tops look as if they're been eaten by mice because they're been so often snagged onto tenterhooks and moved and moved round and onto other tenterhooks, they just don't seem to have had the same view of this kind of thing as we do. @@ -38522,47 +38487,47 @@ if you wanted to move them, you moved them. i'm going to i'm going to accelerate now cos i see i'm going on too long. this is the great hall and i could spend easily as long as i've already spent on on this hall but i won't. it's wonderful. -this is the great hall which is which is although it looks finished is actually by no means finished, i was just explaining to mike we still need a go there, we still need a table there, we need all the windows to be done and we need three thousand pounds for that window. +this is the great hall which is which is although it looks finished is actually by no means finished, i was just explaining to mike we still need a go there, we still need a table there, we need all the windows to be done and we need three thousand pounds for that window. not so high because of the glass but because it's got to have double folding shutters. and because there isn't enough room for a half shutter you see, it's only that wide, it wouldn't cover the window. so we're having to have shutters with a central hinge and we're fortunate again in york we've got a wonderful erm prototype, only a few hundred yards away in the minster. er i don't know whether any of you have ever been into the little private chapel, st william's chapel which is reserved for private prayer and early morning service. -however if you go in there and there's no one to disturb, i always look and make sure there isn't anyone first, and look at all the wall cupboards, the wall cupboards the wood has been cleaned, actually are about the largest collection of late medieval ironwork in england. +however if you go in there and there's no one to disturb, i always look and make sure there isn't anyone first, and look at all the wall cupboards, the wall cupboards the wood has been cleaned, actually are about the largest collection of late medieval ironwork in england. because all their hinges and c all their hinges and straps are all original and they all date from about fourteen ten. so we have a if we ever want any ironwork we just have to go and say, oh well we'll have one of those please. to the blacksmith. -erm as i told you before, the original er conformation of the house was that that the cooked food was brought through that door through the screened door and into here as you see. +erm as i told you before, the original er conformation of the house was that that the cooked food was brought through that door through the screened door and into here as you see. but this passageway was cut through in the seventeenth century if not earlier. -so we wondered whether there was a wall here at all of any kind. -the showed there was absolutely nothing here. +so we wondered whether there was a wall here at all of any kind. +the showed there was absolutely nothing here. there was just an open space. all there was probably was a hanging and you see there are the actual stubs of the tenterhooks are still visible . and we haven't tenterhooked this wall because we wanted to be able to open and shut this curtain so we've adopted another medieval style taken from erm er medieval manuscripts. the rail is made of wrought iron and the rings are made of cast bronze. -we're fortunate in having an excellent blacksmith called john who's also the minster's blacksmith, who manages all our ironwork very cheaply we have to d he's so busy we have to just get it when we can. -roof you see, if you look right up there above this this central beam, you can see the smoke hole. +we're fortunate in having an excellent blacksmith called john who's also the minster's blacksmith, who manages all our ironwork very cheaply we have to d he's so busy we have to just get it when we can. +roof you see, if you look right up there above this this central beam, you can see the smoke hole. mm. now this entire wall is exactly as it was in about fourteen fifty when it was built. the reason why that's been preserved is that that part of the wall was never bricked in. so that it was always able to breathe. the side walls were bricked in in a brick skin, they couldn't breathe and we've had to replace as you saw outside, virtually all the timber. the er original timber here which is the dias beam and it points up something very o odd happened in this building. -if they had been working logically, they would have built the new on to the old stopping here. -but for some reason they didn't, for some reason i don't know, for some reason they sort of burrowed into the of the earlier range, causing a couple of hundred years later in the early seventeenth century,absolute disaster because the whole of that range began to settle down. +if they had been working logically, they would have built the new on to the old stopping here. +but for some reason they didn't, for some reason i don't know, for some reason they sort of burrowed into the of the earlier range, causing a couple of hundred years later in the early seventeenth century,absolute disaster because the whole of that range began to settle down. and they took a whole level off, they've dropped it by a storey. we've put it back up to the storey but we've . so why they did it well why they did it is clear er to make slightly bigger hall, but why they took the risk they did is not so clear. i mean you can imagine somebody saying, well it'll last me out, i'm not bothered. -. this is where the posh chaps sat. -by the big window,and with especially grand table which we shall paint incidentally paint the paint the er the carving there . +. this is where the posh chaps sat. +by the big window,and with especially grand table which we shall paint incidentally paint the paint the er the carving there . settling down because wood keeps moving for some time . -even when as we've done here we've got which is timber which is cut like the slices of a cake from the outer rim to the centre. +even when as we've done here we've got which is timber which is cut like the slices of a cake from the outer rim to the centre. instead of being sawn off in strips like they do , actually carved it from the outside to the centre. -quarter which is very distinctive when you get to recognize it because it just looks different actually moves much less. +quarter which is very distinctive when you get to recognize it because it just looks different actually moves much less. what moves much less still is riven timber. and these legs on these side tables is riven . in other words instead of being sawn, what you do is you take the log and you s look at it very hard to see where the natural erm faults along the wood are, going out from the centre. -and then you put an axe in there to make a space you put a +and then you put an axe in there to make a space you put a . and then thump it with a huge mallet and it splits along the natural lines of the grain. and that's called riving or cleaving. @@ -38570,7 +38535,7 @@ and that's the strongest way of all of making timbers and looking at medieval pi because these they didn't want your table legs to go wandering about. because it would make the table bend. and these are done very well. -these are made by a gentleman called adrian er erm who worked on the house as a as a labourer er but was so taken with it all he took to becoming a medieval furniture maker, has been ever since. +these are made by a gentleman called adrian er erm who worked on the house as a as a labourer er but was so taken with it all he took to becoming a medieval furniture maker, has been ever since. he's coming tonight to stay, to bring the benches which are gonna go on the outside here. er the gentleman coming from scotland on saturday is bringing me all the table linen and we're table linen for . including these tremendously long towels which are er one and a half times the length of the table because they have to go over everybody's lap as a napkin kind of communal napkin. @@ -38584,18 +38549,18 @@ everyone is going to be given er or lent er one of these er eating knives which and we'll give them a fork and knife and i won't go into it in great detail but everything is going to be the six courses will be entirely accurately served on bread plates over on pewter trenchers. but i mustn't go into that now. but er that's our next excitement after the recent television and radio thing . -finally these are hangings, read and green perhaps the most popular colours in york. +finally these are hangings, read and green perhaps the most popular colours in york. in seventy percent of cases where colour is mentioned, it's red and green. red and green say on the bench and bench covers called bankers have been made for these as well they would be covered as well. er that's red say there and these are painted cloths which were very popular in york for those who couldn't afford tapestries which were then as now, very expensive. -they're linen painted with proper er ground pigments. -the pattern is er not the white rose of york but the rose of the incarnation or the rose of the virgin mary, rosa mundi. -you see the iesus hominis i h s. and then round that maria so christ in the virgin womb and then iesus round the outside. +they're linen painted with proper er ground pigments. +the pattern is er not the white rose of york but the rose of the incarnation or the rose of the virgin mary, rosa mundi. +you see the iesus hominis i h s. and then round that maria so christ in the virgin womb and then iesus round the outside. mm. -and this is taken from belonging to the john and you can see it originally in the york minster library. -john was a friend of william so we thought that would be quite appropriate. +and this is taken from belonging to the john and you can see it originally in the york minster library. +john was a friend of william so we thought that would be quite appropriate. whenever we can we try and do stuff that is as close as possible to this house. -we've amused ourselves a little bit by putting william 's initials on there and the arms of his wife who was called joan . +we've amused ourselves a little bit by putting william 's initials on there and the arms of his wife who was called joan . she was a bit grander than him, she had a family coat of arms with three . she came from . as er a little little erm er complement to the people who paid for all this, the london glassworkers' company, we put their arms on there. @@ -38605,24 +38570,24 @@ smoke went out there. the original beam, black and that beam across there is the original beam which is blackened by all the smoke. right, the arch braces of course had to be put in because they were if you look at it you'll see that they were actually sawn off. the arch braces were sawn off. -because when we took over this room it had actually two extra floors in, one where you see the joists and one higher up. +because when we took over this room it had actually two extra floors in, one where you see the joists and one higher up. so . -and we took those floors out cos they were recent and and we put these arch braces back in again using the pattern that . +and we took those floors out cos they were recent and and we put these arch braces back in again using the pattern that . but this hall is not finished yet, the hearth itself is a real medieval hearth recycled from . we er was was was there an upper floor. no. -you say there are holes in the timbers +you say there are holes in the timbers no no no i was saying that there was but that had been put in quite recently . oh yes. i see. mm. erm the hearth, the hall with the original floor is still preserved about nine inches down underneath a layer of three inches of sand to preserve it. -what we found here was the floor with the grout marks of where the tiles had been. +what we found here was the floor with the grout marks of where the tiles had been. so that we knew what pattern the tiles had been in. and in the corner there, where there in fact had been something very heavy, the tiles had not been removed but left. so that we had a few tiles that we knew what their pattern and date was. -and john our potter was able to . +and john our potter was able to . so we've reproduced the pattern that we think was here. the hearth was still here. the hearth had been very badly damaged in georgian times and somebody had just dug a pit straight through the middle of it, perhaps for drainage. @@ -38632,22 +38597,22 @@ so what we've done we thought we're gonna have to replicate that hearth . and then the erm the excavating department discovered a h a hearth of the right date at rawcliffe on the er northern edge of er the city by the ring road. and so since that was going to be demolished and built over by a a housing estate anyway, we ripped it out and put it back down here. well we ripped up bits of it and re refurbished it. -so it's a sort of interesting rather surreal object sort of recycled medieval hearth on the site of the other one. +so it's a sort of interesting rather surreal object sort of recycled medieval hearth on the site of the other one. this as far as we know which is reproduced from the original, was for some sort of a fender. -we don't know why it was this little sort of dip, that reproduces you know, the configuration of it but why it was there, we don't know, we thought we better put it back since it was there. +we don't know why it was this little sort of dip, that reproduces you know, the configuration of it but why it was there, we don't know, we thought we better put it back since it was there. yeah. would they sleep round ? no no not in a house like this. no this is too grand for that sort of thing. -erm i i think the only time that people might have slept in here is if you had a visitor who had a lot of servants and there was simply nowhere else to put them. +erm i i think the only time that people might have slept in here is if you had a visitor who had a lot of servants and there was simply nowhere else to put them. but no, the hall by this time was really more a . and and not really even a living room for the owners cos they were in the bed chamber. mm. -i i'm i say you must excuse me going on at such a pace but i've got a i've got another meeting quite shortly and b you've got some little mo i think m michael's looking to take over. +i i'm i say you must excuse me going on at such a pace but i've got a i've got another meeting quite shortly and b you've got some little mo i think m michael's looking to take over. just go on through here. these are the store rooms underneath the bed chambers. -the rooms, erm we've tried to this has been a bit tied up since the broadcast, we've tried to have it fairly cluttery so that kids for instance if they're not used to sheep, can come and come and have a sniff of of of er you know . -they can d they can do that used to sheep . +the rooms, erm we've tried to this has been a bit tied up since the broadcast, we've tried to have it fairly cluttery so that kids for instance if they're not used to sheep, can come and come and have a sniff of of of er you know . +they can d they can do that used to sheep . they can they can if they want to take some wool away they can. erm this is like a new sweater. and they can look at the horn and they can look at these things and they can look this is weld which is the herb that's used to produce the green the yellow of the green. @@ -38657,18 +38622,18 @@ this comes from copmanthorpe. . this is you know, what we're gonna be concentrating on next. this awful and we'd actually got the first window here which is which is . now then, this is a fenestral. -and it in the summer which i know it isn't the summer, in the summer we just take these well we will cos we haven't had any for the summer we just takes these panes out and just open them like that in the summer. -or we can if we like we can close the shutter at night at summer nights, but in the winter if we want to have some light, we open the shutter and put the fenestral back again, either way round it doesn't really matter. +and it in the summer which i know it isn't the summer, in the summer we just take these well we will cos we haven't had any for the summer we just takes these panes out and just open them like that in the summer. +or we can if we like we can close the shutter at night at summer nights, but in the winter if we want to have some light, we open the shutter and put the fenestral back again, either way round it doesn't really matter. these pegs in. is it is it waxed. well it's not i'll tell you in a moment. -it's linen i think we'll have it the other way round actually . +it's linen i think we'll have it the other way round actually . it's linen and what you do is first of all you dip it in a solution of alum. i'm not quite sure why. -er and then you wash it over with a hot solution of three parts clarified sheep's tallow four parts clarified sheep's tallow, five parts rosin. +er and then you wash it over with a hot solution of three parts clarified sheep's tallow four parts clarified sheep's tallow, five parts rosin. and this is all we've done is to take a medieval recipe. how to make a fenestral and we've just done that and it works. -it keeps the rain out, it lets a certain amount of light in and it's dirt cheap . +it keeps the rain out, it lets a certain amount of light in and it's dirt cheap . erm obviously not used to any ground rooms at all. i think the alum actually was so because this recipe enabled you to paint them with flowers if you wanted to. right. @@ -38681,18 +38646,18 @@ and no one else i think has got any fenestrals. er but they do seem to have been quite common in york in in in less grand rooms. they were follow the tour round.. this is the sort of the bedrooms, the chambers. -this call the lesser chamber because to distinguish it from the greater chamber. +this call the lesser chamber because to distinguish it from the greater chamber. and er there's another little room above there where if you move those boards there, that is a kind of trap-door. perhaps for a servant. accessible only by a ladder. this is a minor bedroom, erm but it's got quite a lot of nice original timbering in it. to say that i wouldn't care if there wasn't any original timbering in the place, it's not really what i'm interested in. -and trying to recreate what it would have looked like. +and trying to recreate what it would have looked like. however there's nice light this morning to see the marks of the pitsaw across that beam, the big two man pitsaw. you know what a pitsaw is, you dig a hole and one man gets down the bottom, the other one comes up. and also the marks of the little side axe used for trimming off the sides. and you see all the beams are chamfered, not so much for decoration but because they seem to have done that according to latest research, done that to take the bark off because it was the bark where the parasites tended to get in. -and the poor things, english heritage have done erm they've they're recreated a room at priory and they've got woodworm in it and all their furniture's falling to pieces it's terrible . +and the poor things, english heritage have done erm they've they're recreated a room at priory and they've got woodworm in it and all their furniture's falling to pieces it's terrible . erm it really is they should have should have t been more careful in a way but and this you see is a fairly goodirly goody good ey seem to mm. now if it had been the north side it would have been a straight line. @@ -38700,7 +38665,7 @@ yeah wow. so there's quite a few of these. erm around and about the place. -erm and also there are in the top i haven't got a ladder, i can't show you now, some of the numbering cos they numbered the bays in in roman letters, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. +erm and also there are in the top i haven't got a ladder, i can't show you now, some of the numbering cos they numbered the bays in in roman letters, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. originally seven bays. and we were in some of them when we started off in that sort of office room. so a bedroom here, another bedroom here and then the great chamber, the most important bedroom . @@ -38717,20 +38682,20 @@ bed of what was called the hung bed. it didn't hadn't got they didn't have four posts at this time, they hung the top part of the bed, literally hung it from cords wrapped round rafters. . the canopy was hang directly on cords rather than on side posts there were no corner posts. so bed in one corner, the great bed. -also looking at pictures locking chest with your money, your armour your most precious things in your great chamber. +also looking at pictures locking chest with your money, your armour your most precious things in your great chamber. and if you were an important enough visitor, you were allowed to come up the privy stair and straight into the great chamber. you see, if you were not important you went to the hall and waited er for the master to see you. if you were important enough you came up to see him. -and e if you look up there that extremely overbuilt area there is called the crown post truss. +and e if you look up there that extremely overbuilt area there is called the crown post truss. crown post because the braces come out like the points of a of a sort of pantomime crown. -er and there were four crown post trusses or well no five crown port trusses, you see half of on there, half of one there and a whole one there. +er and there were four crown post trusses or well no five crown port trusses, you see half of on there, half of one there and a whole one there. partly original, partly refurbished. because what they did when they dropp i told you they dropped a whole storey. -what they did fortunately for us, is to keep the roof structure, saw out the pieces, prop up on on on posts and then drop the whole roof by a whole storey so it we've still got the roof. +what they did fortunately for us, is to keep the roof structure, saw out the pieces, prop up on on on posts and then drop the whole roof by a whole storey so it we've still got the roof. otherwise we wouldn't have known what it looked like. now we do. and this is the great chamber, and this is where their tour ends i think if we just go back if we go straight back into the place we started, and so just finish it off, then i must i must finish off as well. -erm there's our er our blacksmith's mark there, the little hill you see, upside down it's a little hill cos he's called john so that's his mark. +erm there's our er our blacksmith's mark there, the little hill you see, upside down it's a little hill cos he's called john so that's his mark. . and are you from the university too? yes. yes. @@ -38742,59 +38707,59 @@ it's very difficult to say because we've lost this end of the house and we've lo yeah. probably about six. about six. -i wonder if could do something about the window in the great chamber wind's blowing through . +i wonder if could do something about the window in the great chamber wind's blowing through . oh we get some coffee? yes. oh let's have some coffee yes. right i'll have some coffee. -then i'll leave to you. +then i'll leave to you. so i i hope i've told you something about the history of the house. -you're not required to know all that remember or indeed any of it because they have everything they need to know, particularly if they do the long tour, they have everything they need to know on the tour and everything they need to know about the furniture well pieces of furnitures. +you're not required to know all that remember or indeed any of it because they have everything they need to know, particularly if they do the long tour, they have everything they need to know on the tour and everything they need to know about the furniture well pieces of furnitures. on the other hand you'd be very odd people if you didn't take an interest in something in particular, some people take an interest in the w wooden frames, some take an interest in the textiles or some piece of furniture. -some people i mean, elsie loves cleaning things so she's spends all her time waxing things cos has to be cleaned very carefully. +some people i mean, elsie loves cleaning things so she's spends all her time waxing things cos has to be cleaned very carefully. you mustn't use modern things on them or it'll really wrock them irreparably and you've done four thousand pounds worth of damage before you know it. and or course you never use water on an oak floor cos it stains. -so and again i emphasize you've not responsible for cleaning either, but elsie just likes we can't stop her cleaning. +so and again i emphasize you've not responsible for cleaning either, but elsie just likes we can't stop her cleaning. . erm so you're not required to know all that, or any of it or much of it. probably if you if you were to absorb the information in that guide book, that would be enough. -. don't this is one of those places where you have to +. don't this is one of those places where you have to is there any way you can see these things being made such as the horn somebody working in horn for instance? only by going to their workshop and every now and then we have somebody who well every now and then somebody is fitting something. but we don't we don't and then can you come and see it then, can you come and see it being done. yes if you wanted to, yes. -the other thing we do sort of every now and then, and next time will be easter, we actually have some people in costume who actually reoccupy the house over waster weekend in this case as as the household of william and they've been coming for a long time now and they've got set into the set into their roles quite well. -so lady , we've never found any gentlemen old enough to play old william because he was in his seventies at this time, we never found an old gentleman play william , robert hardy's not quite old enough. -he said he's like to try just not er old en robert hardy's our special patron really here, he's very interested in coming to the banquet, he was up the other week wasn't he, last friday whenever it was. -and but we have a lady , who is i suppose she about sixty five and she's got really into the part of playing lady . -and we have and elizabeth and various people . +the other thing we do sort of every now and then, and next time will be easter, we actually have some people in costume who actually reoccupy the house over waster weekend in this case as as the household of william and they've been coming for a long time now and they've got set into the set into their roles quite well. +so lady , we've never found any gentlemen old enough to play old william because he was in his seventies at this time, we never found an old gentleman play william , robert hardy's not quite old enough. +he said he's like to try just not er old en robert hardy's our special patron really here, he's very interested in coming to the banquet, he was up the other week wasn't he, last friday whenever it was. +and but we have a lady , who is i suppose she about sixty five and she's got really into the part of playing lady . +and we have and elizabeth and various people . eventually of course we shall employ people full time to do these things. but er not not for a long time. -cos we're nowhere near ready for people to move in. -and as well. +cos we're nowhere near ready for people to move in. +and as well. mm oh there's a whole lot of things. the craftsmen's evening once a month on average, one of the craftsman comes to tell us about , the next one is on february the twelfth . mm? on the twelfth. -yeah that's john , if you can get a ticket for that, john is by far the best lecturer among our craftsmen, i mean he's just an absolutely amazing character. +yeah that's john , if you can get a ticket for that, john is by far the best lecturer among our craftsmen, i mean he's just an absolutely amazing character. . . erm it'll be it'll be erm twelfth, thirteenth it'll be the tuesday, no i think it's the fourteenth or the fifteenth. yes it is on the tuesday. yeah well anyway. -that's the next craftsman's evening, that's john the potter and tiler and he'll be very very good. +that's the next craftsman's evening, that's john the potter and tiler and he'll be very very good. we only have forty seats so if you are interested i'm . these craftsman's evenings tend to get booked out don't they. yeah. -so john where do they get tickets for that? +so john where do they get tickets for that? erm the shop i think. yeah. do we think that? yes? -erm and then the next one after that is is i know is march the fifteenth which is adrian who's the er woodworker. -and he'll be do a very good show rather a shy man but he will and that will be that will be rather technical if i know adrian, but if you if you like he's that's the time to come. -we've we've already had i'm afraid we've already had the and er . +erm and then the next one after that is is i know is march the fifteenth which is adrian who's the er woodworker. +and he'll be do a very good show rather a shy man but he will and that will be that will be rather technical if i know adrian, but if you if you like he's that's the time to come. +we've we've already had i'm afraid we've already had the and er . . i mean er some people we we had a lecture on the archaeology. that was specially for volunteers. we try to have events specially for volunteers as well. @@ -38815,7 +38780,7 @@ anyway there are there are various . mm? the third of march. . -erm . +erm . good. so . . have you got any questions you'd like to ask me about the history. @@ -38839,12 +38804,12 @@ the red raddle yeah? red raddle yeah. well they us i mean usually it's red, you can have blue raddle, but it's raddle is usually red. mm i'm just trying to think what they use red raddle for -marking and and sheep just to ma so you know which ones he's served. +marking and and sheep just to ma so you know which ones he's served. you put a a plate on his chest with raddle on so he marks them as he comes round. funding from to well the funding is either the initial funding was a fairly brave thing by the archaeological trust from its own funds. there's been no government erm we're now what happens is every now and then like now we just simply run out of money i mean we've simply run out of money. -that's why i'm fiddling around doing the odd window here and there because that's all that we've got for. +that's why i'm fiddling around doing the odd window here and there because that's all that we've got for. er we've got a little few earmarked funds left over like for instance, theakston's brewery gave us the barrels and they gave us two and a half thousand pounds. we were able to do the hall or we'd still be nowhere with it, only because of a donation of thirty thousand pounds quite out of the blue, from the london glassworkers' company which meant we didn't expect it. so we were able to complete the hall or complete the hall as far as it's got. @@ -38855,7 +38820,7 @@ which i hope we may be able to in april because really they are a disgrace at th but erm we can't spend money we haven't go, we can't spend money and erm i mean er if we spent if we went on spending money, then what would happen is that the trust would simply well it would go it wouldn't exactly go broke but jobs would have to be cut and that sort of thing, people would be very badly affected by it so you just have to wait. we're not the kind of thing that attracts government funding cos we're not sort of we don't go along with the architectural you know, the architectural establishment really insists that everything should be exactly just so. have you any idea when it's likely to be complete then? -no because i me because i don't know +no because i me because i don't know cos cos it depends on the money. yes. . @@ -38863,22 +38828,22 @@ no probably not in a sense but then when complete enough to actually use is anot i just seems like something you could just keep building and building forever. you could do but i mean, i i the n the amount of money needed for completion sounds a lot but actually it's probably i think two and a half two hundred and fifty thousand to complete. i think . -costs tend to be be i mean it costs now costs are those of doing things by hand. -the hangings for instance in the great hall not including those in the , cost nearly ten thousand pounds. +costs tend to be be i mean it costs now costs are those of doing things by hand. +the hangings for instance in the great hall not including those in the , cost nearly ten thousand pounds. oh good grief. -well you see hand woven, hand dyed er hangings at fifty five pounds a yard, seventy pounds a hard to make. +well you see hand woven, hand dyed er hangings at fifty five pounds a yard, seventy pounds a hard to make. were they done in york? no. -no the only firm that does hand weaving and hand dyeing on on a big enough scale is in west wales in the middle of a place called . -and the only horn and we're often dealing with with only the only this, the only that. -the only horner is in in in in lancashire. -blacksmith comes from east yorkshire, but i mean, he's just a very good blacksmith. -but the furniture is made all over the place although 's our best maker and he's up in scotland. -erm now let's see, the linen is made in scotland because it's the o he's the only linen maker i ian is the only linen weaver. +no the only firm that does hand weaving and hand dyeing on on a big enough scale is in west wales in the middle of a place called . +and the only horn and we're often dealing with with only the only this, the only that. +the only horner is in in in in lancashire. +blacksmith comes from east yorkshire, but i mean, he's just a very good blacksmith. +but the furniture is made all over the place although 's our best maker and he's up in scotland. +erm now let's see, the linen is made in scotland because it's the o he's the only linen maker i ian is the only linen weaver. incidentally erm next friday no the friday after, so friday the eleventh anyway, we're gonna set the whole t erm hall out for the banquet a day early so that people can come and see it. we're going to have guards there to make sure they don't nick the knives. cos the knives are very beautiful they've all been individually made. -so er thirty thirty's as many +so er thirty thirty's as many how many people will be coming to the banquet? people we can get in. we've still got some tickets unsold but they are fifty pounds. @@ -38891,15 +38856,15 @@ but there we are. are you serving medieval food? mm. oh very much so, we're serving it all we're serving courses which actually contain the whole meal. -so where you have your potage erm meat, vegetables such as they are, and sweet. +so where you have your potage erm meat, vegetables such as they are, and sweet. and then you have the whole lot again, then you have the whole lot again. -and you eat in what is called messes so that you eat in a mess of four and the server comes in and puts a plate of it might be venison and a plate of which is a kind of erm corn and er in front of you. +and you eat in what is called messes so that you eat in a mess of four and the server comes in and puts a plate of it might be venison and a plate of which is a kind of erm corn and er in front of you. and you have a plate per mess and you take as much as you want onto your trencher and your bowl. like that. -it should be quite fun cos they have to carve by messes got these knives. +it should be quite fun cos they have to carve by messes got these knives. yeah. -er the other thing to come to if you don't want to spend fifty pounds although we'll be very pleased to see you the banquet in the afternoon and there's a lecture in the afternoon at two o'clock? -anyway it's advertised, by peter who is erm doing the food. +er the other thing to come to if you don't want to spend fifty pounds although we'll be very pleased to see you the banquet in the afternoon and there's a lecture in the afternoon at two o'clock? +anyway it's advertised, by peter who is erm doing the food. and i shall just introduce him. erm in the afternoon at st william's college and i think that's ab i don't know what it's about two pounds fifty or something. anyway all these things are advertised. @@ -38912,11 +38877,11 @@ will the guests be in . no the guests will not be in costume, we thought it was unfair that they should make them in costume. the servers and table hosts will be in costume. mm. -erm so there are a few +erm so there are a few are the are the caterers from out of town? they have we're having to employ a specially approved you see we've got the health and safety. oh yes. -we have to have an approved caterer which and what's gonna happen is that those two room that the room where the weld and the wool were, we're gonna virtually be sealed off +we have to have an approved caterer which and what's gonna happen is that those two room that the room where the weld and the wool were, we're gonna virtually be sealed off mm. erm so that hygiene laws can be observed. and that's why that's another reason why it's all so expensive. @@ -38927,14 +38892,14 @@ yes there are are there specialist people who do this sort of thing? well there are specialist outside caterers, she's never done thins before. mhm. -she's actually working under the direction of peter who cooks you may if you're interested in cooking you've probably read books by peter . +she's actually working under the direction of peter who cooks you may if you're interested in cooking you've probably read books by peter . yes i have. -and he's a director of leeds museum well he is at the moment anyway. +and he's a director of leeds museum well he is at the moment anyway. mm. -erm he runs hampton court. +erm he runs hampton court. mm. the kitchens every now and he's a bachelor and he's passionate about cooking. -and so every year between christmas day and new year's day, he takes over the kitchens at hampton court with his forty assistants and runs them. +and so every year between christmas day and new year's day, he takes over the kitchens at hampton court with his forty assistants and runs them. i mean they had twenty two thousand people round this year, it's takes him a week to recover, the poor man. anyway, come to the lecture, erm he's a very engaging talker is peter. mm? @@ -38955,28 +38920,28 @@ thanks very much. bye. bye bye. this opportunity to welcome you to barley hall again and er i hoped you all enjoyed charles' bit. -erm we've got another session on tuesday at ten o'clock so i haven't got a lot to say now. +erm we've got another session on tuesday at ten o'clock so i haven't got a lot to say now. erm but just a few words. the most important thing i think is erm what charles has said about the house erm is quite important. li as he said it doesn't matter if you don't remember it but if people ask you questions and you don't know the answer, please send them down . -erm people don't generally mind that we can't have people making things up, guessing because then we'd the reputation of the trust. +erm people don't generally mind that we can't have people making things up, guessing because then we'd the reputation of the trust. which erm is known worldwide. -and the house is now just about becoming bodies all over the world and the press are beginning to take attention and the radio and the b b c last week. -erm and you never know who's coming in, it could be anybody and if we start saying things which aren't to, then we'll eventually damage the project a great deal. -there are a lot of people out there who are historians who would like to it's very successful and sometimes people don't like success. +and the house is now just about becoming bodies all over the world and the press are beginning to take attention and the radio and the b b c last week. +erm and you never know who's coming in, it could be anybody and if we start saying things which aren't to, then we'll eventually damage the project a great deal. +there are a lot of people out there who are historians who would like to it's very successful and sometimes people don't like success. so that's the most important thing. erm i don't know whether charles has said anything about who people are,barley hall, charles is the historical consultant, he's done all the research . -erm my role is as volunteer coordinator so looking after you, that's my main job. +erm my role is as volunteer coordinator so looking after you, that's my main job. erm other people marilyn you've probably met already, she's really like the project administrator, she's in charge . -peter erm you'll see around from time to time, he does all the design stuff erm and christine erm looks after all the hangings and and stuff. +peter erm you'll see around from time to time, he does all the design stuff erm and christine erm looks after all the hangings and and stuff. and she's the office administrator. -the main office is in piccadilly we've got a a small office here as well. +the main office is in piccadilly we've got a a small office here as well. it's the green door . erm gaby you'll see around as well erm she's in charge of the educational side, she books in all the school parties and designs educational projects and so on. she also . and that's charles, marilyn, peter, gaby, christine and myself really are the people who . erm . -erm it's quite important that we give out a very professional . +erm it's quite important that we give out a very professional . which means that we've got to be polite to people and so on. we're not we we do need some kind of commitment from you, we we don't need a contract . and we do anything from one session a month to . @@ -38984,9 +38949,9 @@ and some people do up to two a week. but one a month is . erm and all we ask is that if you if you've said you're coming to do a session, that you do actually turn up and if you can't then if you can telephone us as early as possible to let us know that you can't make it, that's not a problem . so long as you let us know, we can arrange for someone else to . -we have had days when we've had three s stewards scheduled for the morning we've looked at the rota and thought and we've had no-one turn up panic. -so but we're we're very easy with things, we don't erm we don't jump up and down and get cross erm so long as we can get some . -and people swap their days +we have had days when we've had three s stewards scheduled for the morning we've looked at the rota and thought and we've had no-one turn up panic. +so but we're we're very easy with things, we don't erm we don't jump up and down and get cross erm so long as we can get some . +and people swap their days how many people do you need at a time then? erm at the moment, we try and aim for three for each session. twice a day? @@ -38997,159 +38962,158 @@ yeah. mm. and that will probably increase as we get into the summer cos the visitor numbers will increase. no . -erm some of you haven't in yet do that now. +erm some of you haven't in yet do that now. erm . actually you probably know whether you've filled a form in or not don't you. - it is carried. those in favour. aye. those against. no. the ayes have it. -item six to report social services committee mr +item six to report social services committee mr then you turn your attention away in a minute and the rotten devils do -chairman, i i move that the report of the social services committee regarding the future of the county council's old persons homes be noted. -i hope chairman that er david will listen to the arguments on this because like other members of his group he throws out closure of elderly persons homes, y'know we've gotta do it, we've gotta do it something about which he knows absolutely nothing and about which he's completely wrong. -erm i've always believed that consistency is an overrated virtue so i'm not gonna criticise the conservatives for changing their minds but you have to ask yourself why is this recorded on the agenda today when the sub-committee, planning sub- committee has already met and discussed these matters and things have moved on a little further well we we really have to look at how the resolution in this paragraph came about in the first place. -erm at the beginning of the social services committee meeting mr moved a resolution which he previously moved at the social services planning sub-committee which listed most of the things which are presently in the the resolution but it started the social services accept the implication of the director of social services report on the future of the department's elderly person's homes erm, after some minutes of debate the er democrats asked if the tories would remove that phrase from the resolution and then tha the democrats, the liberal democrats would vote for it the tories of course er looking gift horses in the mouth as usual, said no and the the that resolution was lost. -we then voted on a lengthy liberal resolution er, it was amended by labour we voted on all of the separate points in the resolution, all were agreed and then professor decided that he wanted to move a further amendment which after some consultation, some discussion with the legal people about it's validity, he did which wiped out all of the things that we'd just agreed and we turned to the original conservative motion minus the beginning phrase and with a couple of things stuck on at the end and we thought well that's it the conservatives will vote for that, but no although it was their own motion in all but name, the conservatives wouldn't vote for that unless mr was allowed to move it. +chairman, i i move that the report of the social services committee regarding the future of the county council's old persons homes be noted. +i hope chairman that er david will listen to the arguments on this because like other members of his group he throws out closure of elderly persons homes, y'know we've gotta do it, we've gotta do it something about which he knows absolutely nothing and about which he's completely wrong. +erm i've always believed that consistency is an overrated virtue so i'm not gonna criticise the conservatives for changing their minds but you have to ask yourself why is this recorded on the agenda today when the sub-committee, planning sub- committee has already met and discussed these matters and things have moved on a little further well we we really have to look at how the resolution in this paragraph came about in the first place. +erm at the beginning of the social services committee meeting mr moved a resolution which he previously moved at the social services planning sub-committee which listed most of the things which are presently in the the resolution but it started the social services accept the implication of the director of social services report on the future of the department's elderly person's homes erm, after some minutes of debate the er democrats asked if the tories would remove that phrase from the resolution and then tha the democrats, the liberal democrats would vote for it the tories of course er looking gift horses in the mouth as usual, said no and the the that resolution was lost. +we then voted on a lengthy liberal resolution er, it was amended by labour we voted on all of the separate points in the resolution, all were agreed and then professor decided that he wanted to move a further amendment which after some consultation, some discussion with the legal people about it's validity, he did which wiped out all of the things that we'd just agreed and we turned to the original conservative motion minus the beginning phrase and with a couple of things stuck on at the end and we thought well that's it the conservatives will vote for that, but no although it was their own motion in all but name, the conservatives wouldn't vote for that unless mr was allowed to move it. so he did. -so he did and it was voted on and it was agreed. -we spent chairman, two and a half hours discussing this matter at that point and we had come full circle back to point 1. -to get back to that beginning phrase the social services committee accepts the implications of the director of social services report on the future of the departments e p h's. -that report predicted a rise from five hundred to nine hundred er in the vacancies in in homes by nineteen ninety six. -since then at the planning sub-committee mr has produced a whole load of new made-up figures which pretend that the situation is far worse than that. -figures designed to get headlines not make headway. -the figures actually which i got from the director yesterday are that the department is counting four hundred and ten vacancies of those four hundred and ten, two hundred and thirty four are out of commission, they're in homes being refurbished seventy two are in blocked places, that is double rooms being lived in by a widow or widower where er they'd previously shared it with the spouse or er disability reasons, health reasons, behaviour reasons of a resident er in a previously shared room. +so he did and it was voted on and it was agreed. +we spent chairman, two and a half hours discussing this matter at that point and we had come full circle back to point 1. +to get back to that beginning phrase the social services committee accepts the implications of the director of social services report on the future of the departments e p h's. +that report predicted a rise from five hundred to nine hundred er in the vacancies in in homes by nineteen ninety six. +since then at the planning sub-committee mr has produced a whole load of new made-up figures which pretend that the situation is far worse than that. +figures designed to get headlines not make headway. +the figures actually which i got from the director yesterday are that the department is counting four hundred and ten vacancies of those four hundred and ten, two hundred and thirty four are out of commission, they're in homes being refurbished seventy two are in blocked places, that is double rooms being lived in by a widow or widower where er they'd previously shared it with the spouse or er disability reasons, health reasons, behaviour reasons of a resident er in a previously shared room. purposes like that er which take out seventy two places. -in fact as of the first of this month, the number of real vacancies was a hundred and four now today i've received another list of er so called vacancies from the leicestershire south area. -as of the thirteenth of the ninth ninety three i'll just read through one or two of these. +in fact as of the first of this month, the number of real vacancies was a hundred and four now today i've received another list of er so called vacancies from the leicestershire south area. +as of the thirteenth of the ninth ninety three i'll just read through one or two of these. curtis weston, no vacancies, one short stay vacancy. demontfort, no vacancies. endaby, two double rooms being used at single occupancy for lental house residents, one shared female bed available. -so on and so on in leicestershire south ten vacancies, seven short stay vacancies. -so you can see chairman the facts and figures simply do not support either the report which came to the social services committee originally or mr inflated figures. +so on and so on in leicestershire south ten vacancies, seven short stay vacancies. +so you can see chairman the facts and figures simply do not support either the report which came to the social services committee originally or mr inflated figures. the true vacancies are a hundred and four across thirty eight homes, we're talking about two or three real vacancies per home. -so mr talked in the debate about internal reorganisation about continuing to provide services for which there is an over provision and it berated me and the labour group for that. -well the figures show that assessments of the over provision are incorrect but even had they been correct if circumstances were an over provision comes about not because of an increase in our provision of services, but because of expansion in the private sector. -are we supposed simply to abdicate our responsibility and for every new place that's started in the private sector, we close down a place in our er organisation. -is that what this is about, that places can continue to spring up in the private sector and we must close our homes in order to meet that demand not from elderly people for places but from the private sector for profits. -placements, april to august a hundred and fifty nine in nursing homes, two hundred and eight in residential homes in all sectors. -but, we know that april was a low figure, we also know that july and august are low a figure which comes out from this graph and was given to me by the director yesterday, is a genuine average which is turning out to be between a hundred and a hundred and ten placements per month twelve hundred to fourteen hundred placements per year a thr over a three year average residency period three thousand six hundred to four thousand two hundred placements in residential care, where then is the real problem. -the problem is with the fact that seventy five to eighty percent of people are being directed towards the private sector and only twenty to twenty five percent towards the public sector, yet still the private sectors squeal. -i've got here a copy of a letter by peter spokesperson for care, a more misnamed organisation you couldn't wish to come across, a combined association of residential establishments. +so mr talked in the debate about internal reorganisation about continuing to provide services for which there is an over provision and it berated me and the labour group for that. +well the figures show that assessments of the over provision are incorrect but even had they been correct if circumstances were an over provision comes about not because of an increase in our provision of services, but because of expansion in the private sector. +are we supposed simply to abdicate our responsibility and for every new place that's started in the private sector, we close down a place in our er organisation. +is that what this is about, that places can continue to spring up in the private sector and we must close our homes in order to meet that demand not from elderly people for places but from the private sector for profits. +placements, april to august a hundred and fifty nine in nursing homes, two hundred and eight in residential homes in all sectors. +but, we know that april was a low figure, we also know that july and august are low a figure which comes out from this graph and was given to me by the director yesterday, is a genuine average which is turning out to be between a hundred and a hundred and ten placements per month twelve hundred to fourteen hundred placements per year a thr over a three year average residency period three thousand six hundred to four thousand two hundred placements in residential care, where then is the real problem. +the problem is with the fact that seventy five to eighty percent of people are being directed towards the private sector and only twenty to twenty five percent towards the public sector, yet still the private sectors squeal. +i've got here a copy of a letter by peter spokesperson for care, a more misnamed organisation you couldn't wish to come across, a combined association of residential establishments. a letter to g p s. -dear doctor,we have noticed that as a result of a press article, copy enclosed, that there's been concern stressed by a number of general practitioners with regards the slowness of the social services controlled community care programme as an association on behalf of our residential and nursing home members we have been stating the same fact to social services who have basically denied the existence of any problem, although we hope that in the long term the social services will be able refine their system to be more efficient, as an interim measure we are offering you a direct line service. -if you wish to effect a placement in a residential or nursing home we hope for the time being it will help resolve your problem. -this is an attempt to circumvent the assessment process. +dear doctor,we have noticed that as a result of a press article, copy enclosed, that there's been concern stressed by a number of general practitioners with regards the slowness of the social services controlled community care programme as an association on behalf of our residential and nursing home members we have been stating the same fact to social services who have basically denied the existence of any problem, although we hope that in the long term the social services will be able refine their system to be more efficient, as an interim measure we are offering you a direct line service. +if you wish to effect a placement in a residential or nursing home we hope for the time being it will help resolve your problem. +this is an attempt to circumvent the assessment process. they cannot of course do that, this letter described by the director of social services as a disgrace. no, people sitting across in the other benches saying of course they can are wrong. of course they can't. -people may put themselves into residential care if they wish they will pay the whole of the bill. +people may put themselves into residential care if they wish they will pay the whole of the bill. if they wish to be assessed as needing residential care and using public money then they have to go through the assessment process and be assessed as needing residential care. -so this letter which refers to our processes in this county council, it's talking about people who want to go into residential care and to use public money. -all of that being said and mr will talk a bit more about the figures when he comes to speak. +so this letter which refers to our processes in this county council, it's talking about people who want to go into residential care and to use public money. +all of that being said and mr will talk a bit more about the figures when he comes to speak. people will no doubt be relieved to hear what has finally been included in the planning sub-committee resolutions. that homes already furbished or in the process of being refurbished or identified for refurbishment shall not be closed and will re-open as county council e p h s. -that reassurance is essential to residents, staff and to the community. +that reassurance is essential to residents, staff and to the community. that's what they desperately want to hear. we have also decided that we will look again at the costs of refurbishment. -that we will seek to refurbish the homes which will cost least to refurbish, first. -that way we will achieve more in the period and for the money that is available. -that will leave us, presumably at the end of this process with some of the worst homes, which we will then have to decide what to do about. -so although the labour group will be moving a reference back of this matter as an amendment. +that we will seek to refurbish the homes which will cost least to refurbish, first. +that way we will achieve more in the period and for the money that is available. +that will leave us, presumably at the end of this process with some of the worst homes, which we will then have to decide what to do about. +so although the labour group will be moving a reference back of this matter as an amendment. i have to say that our input into what is going on is still very strong. -we are still attempting to persuade people that the figures they have been given or have invented are wrong and if we operate on the real figures there is no reason for mass closures of elderly persons homes and we are still attempting to make the refurbishment programme work as best we can to achieve the most we can in the shortest period and for the least money. +we are still attempting to persuade people that the figures they have been given or have invented are wrong and if we operate on the real figures there is no reason for mass closures of elderly persons homes and we are still attempting to make the refurbishment programme work as best we can to achieve the most we can in the shortest period and for the least money. chairman i move formally. seconder. sec -right we have an amendment to be moved by mr . -i thought you would chairman, take it later i see a lot of hands up on the other side. -erm the reason why we moved the amendment on this is er jim been and that has, we started to query the figures i didn't get involved in the all this week and th people like jim , david loads of my attention and the whole er exercise was a fraud they're all bum figures and when i checked, the figures i have checked here are done by a senior officer when i showed 'im what stuff was being wrong. -apartments and i couldn't believe how they they there there could work up such a system and i'm serious, i i really mean this mr chairman, it is serious. -now what you were doing was, you got the top figure of available beds and you this time, i'm only going for the this paper that is shown to me a an an an and produced some place in in your apartments and it says here, partly vacancies weekend in the first of august. +right we have an amendment to be moved by mr . +i thought you would chairman, take it later i see a lot of hands up on the other side. +erm the reason why we moved the amendment on this is er jim been and that has, we started to query the figures i didn't get involved in the all this week and th people like jim , david loads of my attention and the whole er exercise was a fraud they're all bum figures and when i checked, the figures i have checked here are done by a senior officer when i showed 'im what stuff was being wrong. +apartments and i couldn't believe how they they there there could work up such a system and i'm serious, i i really mean this mr chairman, it is serious. +now what you were doing was, you got the top figure of available beds and you this time, i'm only going for the this paper that is shown to me a an an an and produced some place in in your apartments and it says here, partly vacancies weekend in the first of august. i was surprised when i found out who the officer, a very capable officers what's done the figures. -but then i was reminded how i thought of a an accountant who was at work what figure was five and five and he said what figures did you have in mind. -so what has happened here i believe, that there was someone told, i don't know who it was was told this is the figure, now you you you're . +but then i was reminded how i thought of a an accountant who was at work what figure was five and five and he said what figures did you have in mind. +so what has happened here i believe, that there was someone told, i don't know who it was was told this is the figure, now you you you're . i will say that because as, we haven't heard the end by a long way for, of this one. -jim pointed out that and when i looked at, in the report here, page fifteen, two of your paper and there it says in little letters b, little little two appendix b a during the year, a three year period from june ninety three to october ninety six, the level of occupancy the department's afford. +jim pointed out that and when i looked at, in the report here, page fifteen, two of your paper and there it says in little letters b, little little two appendix b a during the year, a three year period from june ninety three to october ninety six, the level of occupancy the department's afford. vacancies who arise from five seventeen,had a figure of five seventeen, when i looked at this now, how could y , where did they get the figures from this . -didn't that someone to do the the the homework for them. -so you did, right at the top one as i said two thousand four three four and then the closure of coulson house in it. -well i hope there's nobody in coulson house because it's boarded up and i cannot see how you get a vacant bed in coulson house and this is this exercise. -so we take that away and then you got the refurbishment programme and now taken away from the refurbishment programme something like two hundred, now where is the if you're refurbishing four homes where is the vacancies when you close the home, you have made the staff the redundant, they go up the road or out wherever they're going to redundancy persons. -you have made 'em red, you have made 'em redundant and you in, in you have and i hope you've had nobody redundant because i've i'd be pleased to go out to those homes and say them come back and i would be pleased to go up to and say you've got your figures wrong because you're saying that nobody's made redundant ooh well i i'm so pleased. -i hope i've been given i hope i be the temporary staff but,those homes are being refurbished, there are no vacant beds in those homes because they are being refurbished. +didn't that someone to do the the the homework for them. +so you did, right at the top one as i said two thousand four three four and then the closure of coulson house in it. +well i hope there's nobody in coulson house because it's boarded up and i cannot see how you get a vacant bed in coulson house and this is this exercise. +so we take that away and then you got the refurbishment programme and now taken away from the refurbishment programme something like two hundred, now where is the if you're refurbishing four homes where is the vacancies when you close the home, you have made the staff the redundant, they go up the road or out wherever they're going to redundancy persons. +you have made 'em red, you have made 'em redundant and you in, in you have and i hope you've had nobody redundant because i've i'd be pleased to go out to those homes and say them come back and i would be pleased to go up to and say you've got your figures wrong because you're saying that nobody's made redundant ooh well i i'm so pleased. +i hope i've been given i hope i be the temporary staff but,those homes are being refurbished, there are no vacant beds in those homes because they are being refurbished. you are carrying that number forward. -now if you have a rolling programme and you wanna say we refurbish four at a time, roughly i would say fifty beds in these two hundred, give or take some money because they vary. +now if you have a rolling programme and you wanna say we refurbish four at a time, roughly i would say fifty beds in these two hundred, give or take some money because they vary. that's taken out, must be taken out of the calculation because they're not vacant, you can't get anybody in there, the criteria i say, should be beds available for permanent occupation. -now you count on that but the next vote then comes in and they're still not available beds are not available in it, and the next four and the next four so you'll have, for years you'll have those out of operation would you like to call it that way and out of production. -now to weight that and the next one is respite an short stay beds as you mentioned. -now if you any system you got to have beds for short stay etcetera, you don't count them into whether the those are vacant, because you have to keep some of those vacant in emergencies etcetera so you can't count them. -well, this is how you got the figures and then you have the temporary absence as jim pointed out and advance bookings. -i got a higher figure than jim because i was i can't believe, believe this either th th the officer that, that, that, done this say to the, the, that's the figures that have produced then they're completely wrong and i can tell -time time time -time, right, i am moving the amendment the reference back and i'm handing those papers to the chief executive and i'm gonna ask the chief executive to get someone independent to do this because you can't get away from the numbers that the numbers i've get someone independent i'll ask for that. +now you count on that but the next vote then comes in and they're still not available beds are not available in it, and the next four and the next four so you'll have, for years you'll have those out of operation would you like to call it that way and out of production. +now to weight that and the next one is respite an short stay beds as you mentioned. +now if you any system you got to have beds for short stay etcetera, you don't count them into whether the those are vacant, because you have to keep some of those vacant in emergencies etcetera so you can't count them. +well, this is how you got the figures and then you have the temporary absence as jim pointed out and advance bookings. +i got a higher figure than jim because i was i can't believe, believe this either th th the officer that, that, that, done this say to the, the, that's the figures that have produced then they're completely wrong and i can tell +time time time +time, right, i am moving the amendment the reference back and i'm handing those papers to the chief executive and i'm gonna ask the chief executive to get someone independent to do this because you can't get away from the numbers that the numbers i've get someone independent i'll ask for that. you can't get away with a with a fraud like this. -you can't away with er some bum figures like this one, it's not good enough for the members to give, be given wrong information and i and i can tell you this we'll be coming back again and then we would know and where they were getting where they were getting the seventeen homes -time -closed right down no is a load of bloody bunkum the whole i move +you can't away with er some bum figures like this one, it's not good enough for the members to give, be given wrong information and i and i can tell you this we'll be coming back again and then we would know and where they were getting where they were getting the seventeen homes +time +closed right down no is a load of bloody bunkum the whole i move have we a seconder? have mr thank you mr chairman. -for mr information the vacancies are the difference between the number of beds we maintain and the number of residence we have. -every bed in that difference has to be paid for with wasted money but in addition the loss of income from that bed has to be found from cuts elsewhere in social services. -i frankly can't deal in the time allowed with what mr said, i have never heard so many inaccuracies and misconceptions in a speech, it was the most comprehensive political suicide speech i've heard yet in this council. -the truth is mr chairman that community care had as it's major objective extending choice, give the chance to stay at home to many people for as long as possible, to eliminated the unwanted percentage of residential placements. -what it's revealed, totally unexpectedly is the vast extent to which inappropriate placements have taken place for many years. +for mr information the vacancies are the difference between the number of beds we maintain and the number of residence we have. +every bed in that difference has to be paid for with wasted money but in addition the loss of income from that bed has to be found from cuts elsewhere in social services. +i frankly can't deal in the time allowed with what mr said, i have never heard so many inaccuracies and misconceptions in a speech, it was the most comprehensive political suicide speech i've heard yet in this council. +the truth is mr chairman that community care had as it's major objective extending choice, give the chance to stay at home to many people for as long as possible, to eliminated the unwanted percentage of residential placements. +what it's revealed, totally unexpectedly is the vast extent to which inappropriate placements have taken place for many years. totally unexpected because frankly no government, no civil service would have given us as much money for residential places as they did if they'd known. -the knumdrum where the people have gone has now been answered because the amount of domiciliary care needed to keep them out of residential places to meet their needs and wishes turns out to be very much less than we expected, on average less than seven hours a week. -this report mr chairman is already history which is as mr has said not to say it doesn't represent progress, it addresses for the first time the historical issues, it starts to address the lessons of the first quarter. -we now know the outcome of the second quarter ignoring today and tomorrow which can bring, can make no major change in the scale of what we face. +the knumdrum where the people have gone has now been answered because the amount of domiciliary care needed to keep them out of residential places to meet their needs and wishes turns out to be very much less than we expected, on average less than seven hours a week. +this report mr chairman is already history which is as mr has said not to say it doesn't represent progress, it addresses for the first time the historical issues, it starts to address the lessons of the first quarter. +we now know the outcome of the second quarter ignoring today and tomorrow which can bring, can make no major change in the scale of what we face. leaving the rest of community care aside, the admissions to our part three e p h s were thirteen in july, twelve in august and in the first twenty eight days of september, just four. that's less than one placement for every ten homes over the quarter, an average of less than ten in total per month. we must now fear with good reason that it was the first three months which were not typical. late last year i was accused of scaremongering, dismissive speakers rubbished the remarks of the district auditor, not interested in what he was saying. the only thing i could be safely accused of was understating the problem. i still commend this report to council as the first real stride along the road we have to take, there's no choice about that. -this stride and those that have followed last week, as recently as last week as mr said are already miles back along that road. -the s the revolution of social services called for a rolling programme and a rolling review and the amendment mr is utterly meaningless because the matter will be constantly referred back and further considered by social services whatever the amendment says that's what the original resolution said. -it contains a rolling review precisely so that it should remain a valid basis for whatever tomorrow may bring. -in truth the rolling review has become a running review circumstances are changing with no respect for the committee cycle. -indeed some of us think we now know what bankers in the republic felt like, if you stand up to make a speech the matter has moved on before you sit down again but i must tell you of the next major problem. -flowing from that that which social service must face urgently and that is this. -from the low admission rate, the nine hundred thousand in our revenue budget which was shown this year as savings, seven hundred thousand of which was met by fudging community care money in june is now short by three hundred thousand so at the end of this year there will be an overspend or rather a loss of income of three hundred thousand which will show up as a deficit on social services budget for this year. -next year the full year effect of the revenue budget one point five five million, already two hundred thousand short, the estimated loss of income from reduced placements will now put another eight hundred thousand on that er, so there will be a million next year, so i have to tell you there is a gap of one point three million pounds in the social services budget which we have not yet faced. +this stride and those that have followed last week, as recently as last week as mr said are already miles back along that road. +the s the revolution of social services called for a rolling programme and a rolling review and the amendment mr is utterly meaningless because the matter will be constantly referred back and further considered by social services whatever the amendment says that's what the original resolution said. +it contains a rolling review precisely so that it should remain a valid basis for whatever tomorrow may bring. +in truth the rolling review has become a running review circumstances are changing with no respect for the committee cycle. +indeed some of us think we now know what bankers in the republic felt like, if you stand up to make a speech the matter has moved on before you sit down again but i must tell you of the next major problem. +flowing from that that which social service must face urgently and that is this. +from the low admission rate, the nine hundred thousand in our revenue budget which was shown this year as savings, seven hundred thousand of which was met by fudging community care money in june is now short by three hundred thousand so at the end of this year there will be an overspend or rather a loss of income of three hundred thousand which will show up as a deficit on social services budget for this year. +next year the full year effect of the revenue budget one point five five million, already two hundred thousand short, the estimated loss of income from reduced placements will now put another eight hundred thousand on that er, so there will be a million next year, so i have to tell you there is a gap of one point three million pounds in the social services budget which we have not yet faced. mr chairman the social services committee and it's sub- committees face many more agonizing d decisions. nobody wants to close any bed that is offering a good quality service, that is wanted and being used. -no one can afford to keep open beds that are not being used, not just losing savings but soaking up resources that can only come from cuts in other vital social services. +no one can afford to keep open beds that are not being used, not just losing savings but soaking up resources that can only come from cuts in other vital social services. the social service of this council. you're on time. -are controlled and driven by events not by any one party or any parties. +are controlled and driven by events not by any one party or any parties. for the sake of our service and their users we must ensure we are not overrun by those events. -thank you mr +thank you mr the support of the whole council now would recognise -thank you mr +thank you mr and gratefully aid that work. -mr please. -chairman, i must confess to being erm, to being somewhat pessimistic about this whole er this this whole problem of of the need to refurbish and the need to tackle numbers in our elderly persons homes. -i i listened to mr speech with some incredulity i must say, but i did listen to what he said and if what he said is true then i i find some of the things disturbing and and er i'd like to see his figures and i i w i i that there have certainly been er two messages coming to the social services committee in in in that case. -i'm pessimistic because i believe that if the council is to tackle what i still believe to be a big problem of the local authority then it cannot really do so without the support of the largest party on this authority and if we have heard erm an honest assessment of their perception of of the case, i i really i really do despair that this council will will get to the bottom of the problem. -er, we were told by mr that there is no problem with numbers, remember there are two, there are two things we've got to tackle, one is numbers, two is conditions in our home. -i mean, one's, one's entitled to ask i think if there is no problem, if we only have vacancies of two or three in our elderly persons homes throughout the county wh erm why on earth did the director of the social serv , did the director of social services and his deputy at the meeting on the twenty fifth of august of the social services committee, say that this was the greatest problem which was facing this council. -why on earth eighteen months ago did the district auditor issue a letter saying that unless the council did something about the situation of numbers and of finance within its elderly persons homes then it would come in and it would require the council to take action. -why on earth on the twenty fifth of august at the social services committee meeting did labour put an amendment which accepted that there was a vacancy problem i quote from the labourer, from from labour amendment that er we don't agree to closures, fair enough, that's your position. -but that that we ask for an exploration of the feasibility of widening the use of homes into nursing care, very sheltered accommodation, apartment style accommodation etcetera. -now if there is no problem why on earth do we have to put that sort of that sort of work by officers erm, in, in to action erm, so between the, if i understand labour's position now chairman, between the twenty fifth of august and the twenty eighth of september, we have now gone from accepting the problem and seeing how we can solve a number problem to saying that there is no no number problem and that everyone is cooking the books. -i find that quite incredible, if it's true erm if it's true then it's a very serious allegation which labour is making against the officers in social services department and i imagine that if er, that if those numbers are proven then er i i shall be looking i shall be looking for scalps because i have been, i would have been, so would the liberal party and so would the labour party, have been wrongly informed. +mr please. +chairman, i must confess to being erm, to being somewhat pessimistic about this whole er this this whole problem of of the need to refurbish and the need to tackle numbers in our elderly persons homes. +i i listened to mr speech with some incredulity i must say, but i did listen to what he said and if what he said is true then i i find some of the things disturbing and and er i'd like to see his figures and i i w i i that there have certainly been er two messages coming to the social services committee in in in that case. +i'm pessimistic because i believe that if the council is to tackle what i still believe to be a big problem of the local authority then it cannot really do so without the support of the largest party on this authority and if we have heard erm an honest assessment of their perception of of the case, i i really i really do despair that this council will will get to the bottom of the problem. +er, we were told by mr that there is no problem with numbers, remember there are two, there are two things we've got to tackle, one is numbers, two is conditions in our home. +i mean, one's, one's entitled to ask i think if there is no problem, if we only have vacancies of two or three in our elderly persons homes throughout the county wh erm why on earth did the director of the social serv , did the director of social services and his deputy at the meeting on the twenty fifth of august of the social services committee, say that this was the greatest problem which was facing this council. +why on earth eighteen months ago did the district auditor issue a letter saying that unless the council did something about the situation of numbers and of finance within its elderly persons homes then it would come in and it would require the council to take action. +why on earth on the twenty fifth of august at the social services committee meeting did labour put an amendment which accepted that there was a vacancy problem i quote from the labourer, from from labour amendment that er we don't agree to closures, fair enough, that's your position. +but that that we ask for an exploration of the feasibility of widening the use of homes into nursing care, very sheltered accommodation, apartment style accommodation etcetera. +now if there is no problem why on earth do we have to put that sort of that sort of work by officers erm, in, in to action erm, so between the, if i understand labour's position now chairman, between the twenty fifth of august and the twenty eighth of september, we have now gone from accepting the problem and seeing how we can solve a number problem to saying that there is no no number problem and that everyone is cooking the books. +i find that quite incredible, if it's true erm if it's true then it's a very serious allegation which labour is making against the officers in social services department and i imagine that if er, that if those numbers are proven then er i i shall be looking i shall be looking for scalps because i have been, i would have been, so would the liberal party and so would the labour party, have been wrongly informed. i don't believe we have been wrongly informed but that's the logic of the charge which has been made. -i i simply, i simply want er er a direct message from from the programme which is going on chairman incidentally i i note that nottinghamshire county council erm has found a a and the labour group there has found it necessary to tackle just the same problems erm in elderly persons homes and that i understand that they have a a closure list of seven, now presumably that has been drawn up from a long list of a lot more than seven, say fourteen or fifteen from which they've made their final choice. +i i simply, i simply want er er a direct message from from the programme which is going on chairman incidentally i i note that nottinghamshire county council erm has found a a and the labour group there has found it necessary to tackle just the same problems erm in elderly persons homes and that i understand that they have a a closure list of seven, now presumably that has been drawn up from a long list of a lot more than seven, say fourteen or fifteen from which they've made their final choice. i think we're entitled to ask if nottinghamshire faces those problems, what is peculiar about leicestershire that it did face those problems but all of a sudden it doesn't face those problems. -i i don't think myself and i still have an open mind and i don't think that the labour case erm adds up to be perfectly honest. -i simply wanna say two things and that is this that within a month if this scheme is to work i believe that the council or the social services committee must draw up a long list of homes which it proposes to close and that long list will be in teams and that must be done not behind closed doors so that people know what is being proposed, we level with people who live in those institutions and they are fully acquainted with our, with our intentions and secondly i think it's necessary to understand from this programme that it is not just refurbishment programme, it is a refurbishment and closure programme the simple equation being that the money that comes from closures from capital receipts and some revenue savings, actually goes into the rest to refurbish them. -that is the scheme er as as i see it and unless, unless i i thi , unless that is progressed quickly then as i say i am extremely pessimistic and let me just say chairman the dangers of not going along that line the dangers of the present scheme which was at the last planning committee meeting or or or was it one of the social services committee anyway, where four were chosen or or it was said choose a small number. -that i think is half a programme and while that might erm while that might appeal to er members of the liberal party, half a cake's better than none. +i i don't think myself and i still have an open mind and i don't think that the labour case erm adds up to be perfectly honest. +i simply wanna say two things and that is this that within a month if this scheme is to work i believe that the council or the social services committee must draw up a long list of homes which it proposes to close and that long list will be in teams and that must be done not behind closed doors so that people know what is being proposed, we level with people who live in those institutions and they are fully acquainted with our, with our intentions and secondly i think it's necessary to understand from this programme that it is not just refurbishment programme, it is a refurbishment and closure programme the simple equation being that the money that comes from closures from capital receipts and some revenue savings, actually goes into the rest to refurbish them. +that is the scheme er as as i see it and unless, unless i i thi , unless that is progressed quickly then as i say i am extremely pessimistic and let me just say chairman the dangers of not going along that line the dangers of the present scheme which was at the last planning committee meeting or or or was it one of the social services committee anyway, where four were chosen or or it was said choose a small number. +that i think is half a programme and while that might erm while that might appeal to er members of the liberal party, half a cake's better than none. what i think the danger is there, from a conservative political perspective, is that having, having, liberals having with us if you like, got the principle through, liberals may then go with the labour party and say right we've got the principle through, we've identified four homes, let's have a refurbishment programme, a bit of airport money here, a bit of slippage there and we'll get this through and then we'll tackle the problem of closures and if closures is proving difficult let's ignore it for a year, let's do these four and let's go on. i would not recommend to this side that they have any truck with that particular perspective. here, here. @@ -39158,144 +39122,144 @@ i still n , i still think that we need to make er quick pro progress chairman bu thank you. mrs thank you chair. -mr asked why we should close our homes and let private homes profit erm, if people choose either to go into the private sector or to stay into their own homes, what are we supposed to do tell them they've got no choice but to keep our substandard homes going? +mr asked why we should close our homes and let private homes profit erm, if people choose either to go into the private sector or to stay into their own homes, what are we supposed to do tell them they've got no choice but to keep our substandard homes going? that's quite ridiculous. -he says seventy to seventy five percent are being directed towards the private sector so why. -i thought our social services people did that if they run that why should they direct people away from their own livelihoods. -that's quite ludicrous, why should they shoot themselves in the foot and is mr seriously suggesting the same thing? +he says seventy to seventy five percent are being directed towards the private sector so why. +i thought our social services people did that if they run that why should they direct people away from their own livelihoods. +that's quite ludicrous, why should they shoot themselves in the foot and is mr seriously suggesting the same thing? i mean apart from a monstrous attack on our own officers who can't answer for themselves in this place. why should they be prejudicing the the jobs of the their colleagues, i, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. -now i think the tables speak for themselves and they're born out by paragraph sixteen b of the report on page fifty nine. -i just wonder when mr asks for other figures from the independent sector what would have happened if the figures that you've got before you today had actually come from the private sector. +now i think the tables speak for themselves and they're born out by paragraph sixteen b of the report on page fifty nine. +i just wonder when mr asks for other figures from the independent sector what would have happened if the figures that you've got before you today had actually come from the private sector. i suspect he would have been making exactly the same speech but saying that the figures were suspect because they had been come from somewhere else. thank you. mrs thank you chairman. i re do regret that this has come to full council yet again because i thought we'd already had the debate. -at the social services planning committee we stated that we were anxious to make a fresh start in addressing the problems of our elderly persons homes. -in the end chairman,we did reach consensus and i find no difficulty with that. -but our original vision had almost been lost in the unclean political battles which have taken place. -i re-read the speech that i gave in this full council chamber on november the twentieth nineteen ninety one nothing has changed except possibly it has got worse. -what has changed though is the refurbishment programme and i'm not quite sure what mr was on about about er er the refurbishment programme. -the officers advised us that we could deal with four homes a year. +at the social services planning committee we stated that we were anxious to make a fresh start in addressing the problems of our elderly persons homes. +in the end chairman,we did reach consensus and i find no difficulty with that. +but our original vision had almost been lost in the unclean political battles which have taken place. +i re-read the speech that i gave in this full council chamber on november the twentieth nineteen ninety one nothing has changed except possibly it has got worse. +what has changed though is the refurbishment programme and i'm not quite sure what mr was on about about er er the refurbishment programme. +the officers advised us that we could deal with four homes a year. so that's why we said well let's get on and decide which of the next four homes to be refurbished. so as that we could have the rolling programme. -no one should ever underestimate the trauma of change on res on residents their relatives and the staff involved, either in the refurbishment programme or in future closers and we have never denied that there will not be closures, we have consistently proposed that there should be. -it's unfortunate that yet again the mercury got it wrong they stated that we had made a decision to close four homes -unnamed that is not true and i do agree with mr that when we make a decision to close some homes that they should be named to avoid the terrible indecision which exists at the moment. -i'm sorry mr has referred to closures in their teens cos this again throws residents and staff into total confusion we're too early in the programme of community care to know how many homes are going to close. +no one should ever underestimate the trauma of change on res on residents their relatives and the staff involved, either in the refurbishment programme or in future closers and we have never denied that there will not be closures, we have consistently proposed that there should be. +it's unfortunate that yet again the mercury got it wrong they stated that we had made a decision to close four homes +unnamed that is not true and i do agree with mr that when we make a decision to close some homes that they should be named to avoid the terrible indecision which exists at the moment. +i'm sorry mr has referred to closures in their teens cos this again throws residents and staff into total confusion we're too early in the programme of community care to know how many homes are going to close. we do know that two or three or four may have to in the foreseeable future. -but without rationalisation chairman we will not be able to extend those services that we all know that we want to assist people to stay in their own homes. -we've argued for years about meals on wheel service that there should be seven day a week service throughout this authority, we've only got it in the city, we want it throughout the authority. +but without rationalisation chairman we will not be able to extend those services that we all know that we want to assist people to stay in their own homes. +we've argued for years about meals on wheel service that there should be seven day a week service throughout this authority, we've only got it in the city, we want it throughout the authority. we will not be able to supply an adequate home care service without the release of the resources that are tied up in our elderly persons homes. -we shall not be able to produce ethnically appropriate services without the necessary finance and nor will we be able to develop new services which are innovative to assist people to stay in their own homes and i'm just going to take one moment to mention one or two chairman. +we shall not be able to produce ethnically appropriate services without the necessary finance and nor will we be able to develop new services which are innovative to assist people to stay in their own homes and i'm just going to take one moment to mention one or two chairman. why can't you have a flying warden service if you stay in your own home like in warden assisted accommodation. -i'd love to see a service where somebody could come and knock on your door in the morning and say are you alright and call again in the evening, just as if you were in warden assisted accommodation. +i'd love to see a service where somebody could come and knock on your door in the morning and say are you alright and call again in the evening, just as if you were in warden assisted accommodation. if we have a night sitting service, an elderly person may not have to go in hospital if they are temporarily gone off their legs as sometimes happens. -after tiny u-turns chairman two by the tories and one by the labour group, i do hope that finally we're going to make progress tonight. +after tiny u-turns chairman two by the tories and one by the labour group, i do hope that finally we're going to make progress tonight. thank you. professor . -i was only going to say chairman i wish people wouldn't band the figures around the council chamber which nobody has seen before therefore can't assess. -the issue here is quite simple, labour have consistently turned their back on any closures, that's fair enough, so you wouldn't expect them then to produce figures which demonstrate that they're right. -the conservatives have now the conservatives have now decided that home closure is the thing and you'd expect them to produce figures to say we've got to have thirteen or whatever number closed. -what the, i believe committees have never had and least of all mr papers produced on behalf of mr have never had a serious rigorous objective assessment of the vacancy situation of the future which first of all starts from issue a rolling programme of refurbishments that we haven't really seen sight of the of the implications of that on the number of vacancies. -this has never had it so this as far as i'm concerned really, the only thing that is needs to be made clear, is that we must accept of principle that's all we need to reason. +i was only going to say chairman i wish people wouldn't band the figures around the council chamber which nobody has seen before therefore can't assess. +the issue here is quite simple, labour have consistently turned their back on any closures, that's fair enough, so you wouldn't expect them then to produce figures which demonstrate that they're right. +the conservatives have now the conservatives have now decided that home closure is the thing and you'd expect them to produce figures to say we've got to have thirteen or whatever number closed. +what the, i believe committees have never had and least of all mr papers produced on behalf of mr have never had a serious rigorous objective assessment of the vacancy situation of the future which first of all starts from issue a rolling programme of refurbishments that we haven't really seen sight of the of the implications of that on the number of vacancies. +this has never had it so this as far as i'm concerned really, the only thing that is needs to be made clear, is that we must accept of principle that's all we need to reason. mr . -chairman i think this is probably the first time in this council chamber in twenty years that er i will probably have spoken on er social services issues er and i speak from an entirely private capacity and any information that er that comes my way is from what i might call informed members of the public erm, people who i come into contact with and from my own experiences as a ward councillor and from as we all do from time to time, my own family experience, my own domestic experiences and i do know something about the problems which are associated with the the care of elderly people er although i don't have that problem now erm things have taken their course. -er, professor is right erm there may always be a possibility that at some time er you have to you have to recognise that there may be excess capacity in the system and i i don't believe that the labour party is not prepared to recognise that there may well be excess capacity in the system at some time. -s what in fact er mrs said is too early in the process of community care to know how many homes you have to close she really is approaching it from the wrong way, it's equally too early in the process of community care to know how many homes you need to have open, keep open or open and that is one of the problems which i believe this council and other councils will will face. -now from my observations of these debates i've not heard anybody on this council saying council debates that there is no role for this local authority or any other local authority there is no role for them in the provision of residential care or any extension of residential care because some of our residential care is getting very, very close to providing a degree of nursing care. +chairman i think this is probably the first time in this council chamber in twenty years that er i will probably have spoken on er social services issues er and i speak from an entirely private capacity and any information that er that comes my way is from what i might call informed members of the public erm, people who i come into contact with and from my own experiences as a ward councillor and from as we all do from time to time, my own family experience, my own domestic experiences and i do know something about the problems which are associated with the the care of elderly people er although i don't have that problem now erm things have taken their course. +er, professor is right erm there may always be a possibility that at some time er you have to you have to recognise that there may be excess capacity in the system and i i don't believe that the labour party is not prepared to recognise that there may well be excess capacity in the system at some time. +s what in fact er mrs said is too early in the process of community care to know how many homes you have to close she really is approaching it from the wrong way, it's equally too early in the process of community care to know how many homes you need to have open, keep open or open and that is one of the problems which i believe this council and other councils will will face. +now from my observations of these debates i've not heard anybody on this council saying council debates that there is no role for this local authority or any other local authority there is no role for them in the provision of residential care or any extension of residential care because some of our residential care is getting very, very close to providing a degree of nursing care. nobody stands up and says that we shouldn't be in the business at all, we should get rid of all of them, so all the argument about how many. every group in this council and i believe every member who speaks, agrees that we have a need to refurbish homes. so those are the positive things about which we we all agree. -now i would urge this council that it really is too early in the process for you to start making up your minds about what you're gonna in future. +now i would urge this council that it really is too early in the process for you to start making up your minds about what you're gonna in future. you simply do not have enough data. -there is a perception amongst informed people in the community that there may well be a shortage of long stay beds in leicestershire and you do need to bear in mind that the national health service is increasingly going down the road of not keeping people in hospitals longer than they have to because hospitals are perceived as being very, a very expensive way of providing beds and you have to take that into account because that's a fairly clear national policy and you are likely to see an acceleration in that process from what i read in the national press. -there's also a general view in the community that community care itself is not necessarily really working very well, there's some fears about it, some uncertainties and a member did mention, it may have been jim you know or somebody mentioned about the seven hours domiciliary, from my experience as a councillor i am not sure that simply because that figure exists that that means that that is satisfying the need of those people and in any case the sort of people who need to go into residential care, who can no longer be maintained in their home, with whatever help we give them or with whatever help their family have to give them they're not necessarily the sort of people who we're talking about need to go in a home. +there is a perception amongst informed people in the community that there may well be a shortage of long stay beds in leicestershire and you do need to bear in mind that the national health service is increasingly going down the road of not keeping people in hospitals longer than they have to because hospitals are perceived as being very, a very expensive way of providing beds and you have to take that into account because that's a fairly clear national policy and you are likely to see an acceleration in that process from what i read in the national press. +there's also a general view in the community that community care itself is not necessarily really working very well, there's some fears about it, some uncertainties and a member did mention, it may have been jim you know or somebody mentioned about the seven hours domiciliary, from my experience as a councillor i am not sure that simply because that figure exists that that means that that is satisfying the need of those people and in any case the sort of people who need to go into residential care, who can no longer be maintained in their home, with whatever help we give them or with whatever help their family have to give them they're not necessarily the sort of people who we're talking about need to go in a home. you must always remember that it's been a fairly small percentage of the frail elderly people who've actually ever had to go into homes. -most of the people in some way or other, have been looked after by somebody else and that's the experience which i i've certainly gone through and if in fact you start making up your mind too early about which homes you're going to +most of the people in some way or other, have been looked after by somebody else and that's the experience which i i've certainly gone through and if in fact you start making up your mind too early about which homes you're going to near time -close, i can assure you chairman recognise the time, i can assure you chairman that our social workers when doing assessments will not, because i've had this from them, at grass roots level in a branch local party meeting,that our social workers will not indicate to those people who they've assessed that there are vacancies in those homes. -they steer people away from any home which they believe is likely to be closed and once you start doing this, you will in fact be sealing the fate of those homes and you it's a very, very dangerous game, you've gotta be, you've gotta play it very, very carefully indeed and i hope chairman that there can be a degree of common sense and rationality introduced into discussions between the members of the various groups who have to deal with these very difficult issues. +close, i can assure you chairman recognise the time, i can assure you chairman that our social workers when doing assessments will not, because i've had this from them, at grass roots level in a branch local party meeting,that our social workers will not indicate to those people who they've assessed that there are vacancies in those homes. +they steer people away from any home which they believe is likely to be closed and once you start doing this, you will in fact be sealing the fate of those homes and you it's a very, very dangerous game, you've gotta be, you've gotta play it very, very carefully indeed and i hope chairman that there can be a degree of common sense and rationality introduced into discussions between the members of the various groups who have to deal with these very difficult issues. thank you. mr thank you mr chairman. -well i believe that the report that er is before us that has been moved erm actually sets out a framework which the social service committee is able to work to and to monitor and i see no point whatsoever in referring this back to social services erm to delay further what is the inevitable. -the figures that have been mentioned er and the danger with figures that are mentioned is that they can't be everything to everybody. -now eighteen months ago we had three hundred and, it was april, the report in april nineteen ninety two there were three hundred and sixty five i think it was places that were vacant in our homes and this is before we started the refurbishment. -now if jim is telling us that there are four hundred and ten vacancies now and he's explained where those four hundred and ten vacancies are we've picked up another fifty p places within that eighteen months. -so we do have a problem to address but the i i like mr would certainly want some explanation from the director of social services if erm the report that we have before us at the planning sub-committee is incorrect because i deal with it said it it be noted that the capacity now exists to arrange for the transfer of residents from four homes to other res residential units as part of the rationalisation programme. +well i believe that the report that er is before us that has been moved erm actually sets out a framework which the social service committee is able to work to and to monitor and i see no point whatsoever in referring this back to social services erm to delay further what is the inevitable. +the figures that have been mentioned er and the danger with figures that are mentioned is that they can't be everything to everybody. +now eighteen months ago we had three hundred and, it was april, the report in april nineteen ninety two there were three hundred and sixty five i think it was places that were vacant in our homes and this is before we started the refurbishment. +now if jim is telling us that there are four hundred and ten vacancies now and he's explained where those four hundred and ten vacancies are we've picked up another fifty p places within that eighteen months. +so we do have a problem to address but the i i like mr would certainly want some explanation from the director of social services if erm the report that we have before us at the planning sub-committee is incorrect because i deal with it said it it be noted that the capacity now exists to arrange for the transfer of residents from four homes to other res residential units as part of the rationalisation programme. not part of the refurbishment programme, not the difference. -so we do have a problem and and we need to grasp that the a conclusion talking about rolling programme we are concerned about resources we're, we're, we're concerned about using them to the best advantage. -we set up to be able to look at the refurbishment of our homes. -now if we are going to say that this rolling programme, we we don't mean this rolling programme because it it's all going back to committees again to be to be looked at then we are putting our at a disadvantage they will disband and the cost to us for refurbishment will increase. -it's essential that in the terms of the er report from the social service committee that we work, we work to the framework within that report. +so we do have a problem and and we need to grasp that the a conclusion talking about rolling programme we are concerned about resources we're, we're, we're concerned about using them to the best advantage. +we set up to be able to look at the refurbishment of our homes. +now if we are going to say that this rolling programme, we we don't mean this rolling programme because it it's all going back to committees again to be to be looked at then we are putting our at a disadvantage they will disband and the cost to us for refurbishment will increase. +it's essential that in the terms of the er report from the social service committee that we work, we work to the framework within that report. we have the ability to monitor it and i think that the discussions will have to take place as the director brings forward his proposals. -there is a great deal within that framework er, it's not just about closing elderly persons homes, it's not just about refurbishment it's about resources and it's resources that we're very short of, to implement the sort of care programme that this council should be addressing. +there is a great deal within that framework er, it's not just about closing elderly persons homes, it's not just about refurbishment it's about resources and it's resources that we're very short of, to implement the sort of care programme that this council should be addressing. thank you. er, mr thank you mr chairman. -as i, as i said earlier the new boy, the rather elderly new boy but i can assure the professor if i were a hundred years old i'd still be younger than 'im. +as i, as i said earlier the new boy, the rather elderly new boy but i can assure the professor if i were a hundred years old i'd still be younger than 'im. that's how i look at life. -now i +now i i wondered whether you'd ever get it or not, come on quick quick. now what we'll be mr chairman is this. -this has been hanging about for a long, long time while i've been on this and these people and they're very special people i've got this sword of hanging over my head. -now these, why do i call these special people, for the first thing we're just coming out of a recession they s +this has been hanging about for a long, long time while i've been on this and these people and they're very special people i've got this sword of hanging over my head. +now these, why do i call these special people, for the first thing we're just coming out of a recession they s with three million unemployed -these people suffered the depression and if you saw deprivation that was deprivation. +these people suffered the depression and if you saw deprivation that was deprivation. there were no giros in them days. i beg your pardon. -now they went into war, they came out of this war the weren't, there was no tip of the glory for them. -there was fourteen feet of snow floods but the main thing about these people, they took their jackets off and got stuck in and they became special people because they laid the foundation of the welfare state that everybody else in this room g gained out of. +now they went into war, they came out of this war the weren't, there was no tip of the glory for them. +there was fourteen feet of snow floods but the main thing about these people, they took their jackets off and got stuck in and they became special people because they laid the foundation of the welfare state that everybody else in this room g gained out of. they got the jackets off, they did the job, they laid it out for us. -now surely we owe these people something better than this surely there's got the wickedness out or the intelligence to get this thing off the ground. -if we've got to close homes, let's close them but make sure the homes that's left are warm welcoming and give these people the dignity and the independence to which they are entitled to which they've earned and which they thoroughly deserve. +now surely we owe these people something better than this surely there's got the wickedness out or the intelligence to get this thing off the ground. +if we've got to close homes, let's close them but make sure the homes that's left are warm welcoming and give these people the dignity and the independence to which they are entitled to which they've earned and which they thoroughly deserve. here, here. thank you. -mr do you want to speak or reserve your remark. +mr do you want to speak or reserve your remark. yeah, i think some of the new members should wait to speak chair. -chair, sorry right, i i've i i've don't very often. -it's gone, it's gone i don't very often agree with professor erm i very often don't agree with david either but i've got to admit that i agree with both of them today, we've got to make haste slowly on this one. -it's alright us starting to go along the road of closures, but some of us have been here through it a lot, little bit longer than others and i think we have got to watch what we're doing. -we don't know what the capacity is gonna be needed in the future. -if the government gets its way and starts slapping seventeen and a half percent, twenty percent v a t on fuel, we might need some more residential places you don't know. -if the figures that we've been given the recent figures, cos w i've been working on figures for august up to august but now we've got even better figures. -if these figures are right that we've been given by the department and i'm not saying them whether they're right or whether they're wrong but well we have to r rely on what we're getting this is why mr is sending this lot to the chief executive for him to do some work i think it's very important that it is done independently, not by the independent sector but by done independently. -if those figures are right of four hundred and ten now you don't need to be a real big mathematician, even at this time of night,but you, if you have the two hundred and thirty four out of commission and you've got to have those cos that's gotta be a rolling programme each four years. -you're gonna have that two hundred odd there rolling over, it's gotta happen until the end of the programme and that is likely to take six, seven, eight years. +chair, sorry right, i i've i i've don't very often. +it's gone, it's gone i don't very often agree with professor erm i very often don't agree with david either but i've got to admit that i agree with both of them today, we've got to make haste slowly on this one. +it's alright us starting to go along the road of closures, but some of us have been here through it a lot, little bit longer than others and i think we have got to watch what we're doing. +we don't know what the capacity is gonna be needed in the future. +if the government gets its way and starts slapping seventeen and a half percent, twenty percent v a t on fuel, we might need some more residential places you don't know. +if the figures that we've been given the recent figures, cos w i've been working on figures for august up to august but now we've got even better figures. +if these figures are right that we've been given by the department and i'm not saying them whether they're right or whether they're wrong but well we have to r rely on what we're getting this is why mr is sending this lot to the chief executive for him to do some work i think it's very important that it is done independently, not by the independent sector but by done independently. +if those figures are right of four hundred and ten now you don't need to be a real big mathematician, even at this time of night,but you, if you have the two hundred and thirty four out of commission and you've got to have those cos that's gotta be a rolling programme each four years. +you're gonna have that two hundred odd there rolling over, it's gotta happen until the end of the programme and that is likely to take six, seven, eight years. you're way about half a century. -that might be the simplest way and if you add that to the seventy two that are out of commission short term beds, holiday beds, which you've got to keep empty anyway. +that might be the simplest way and if you add that to the seventy two that are out of commission short term beds, holiday beds, which you've got to keep empty anyway. you've got your three hundred and six. -now we've been told by, in reports that we've got five, six hundred up to ni , we're gonna have nine hundred vacancies this is mr +now we've been told by, in reports that we've got five, six hundred up to ni , we're gonna have nine hundred vacancies this is mr at committee i said that unclear can we, can we come through the chair -i think it's, it's very interesting that erm the these figures are there. +i think it's, it's very interesting that erm the these figures are there. now if we're gonna have those sort of figures we're talking about. what are we basing them on? -i want to see, i'm i mean i saw mr and erm mr nodding when martin said he wanted to give these figures to the chief exec and ask him to er get it sorted out. +i want to see, i'm i mean i saw mr and erm mr nodding when martin said he wanted to give these figures to the chief exec and ask him to er get it sorted out. i think that's right so, we we mustn't even start even thinking about closing beds at the moment. if we've only got two or three in each home empty, where are the people going to? -i've checked with demontfort house today. -ear early before i came over here and they've got no vacancies none none at demontfort house at all. -we're told, we're told though in the report for au for august that we've got so many vacancies here, if we look at nuffield house in the august report there was fourteen, but we're only just refilling it again after closing it. +i've checked with demontfort house today. +ear early before i came over here and they've got no vacancies none none at demontfort house at all. +we're told, we're told though in the report for au for august that we've got so many vacancies here, if we look at nuffield house in the august report there was fourteen, but we're only just refilling it again after closing it. we're only just refilling it. -now i don't know where mr has got some of his figures from but i think we ought to check both our figures and his figures before we start jumping to +now i don't know where mr has got some of his figures from but i think we ought to check both our figures and his figures before we start jumping to not my figures please . -erm mr chairman on a point of information, the figures he has obtained on my figures are figures in a report issued by the director of social services and i think on a point of information he should acknowledge that they are the figures given by the officers. +erm mr chairman on a point of information, the figures he has obtained on my figures are figures in a report issued by the director of social services and i think on a point of information he should acknowledge that they are the figures given by the officers. thank you. they were not supplied and orders from you, yep. -now we must keep we must keep be i know people and i'm sure every member in this council chamber knows people that need respite care. +now we must keep we must keep be i know people and i'm sure every member in this council chamber knows people that need respite care. if you don't you're not wal you're walking around with your eyes closed. i certainly do in my patch. -there are people that we are redirecting, we were re redirecting from demontfort house at one time, it was denied denied by by officers that it was happening. -denied by mrs she had a letter. -but you ask the people that work there, you ask social workers . -that place was gradually being run down like a lot of the other are. +there are people that we are redirecting, we were re redirecting from demontfort house at one time, it was denied denied by by officers that it was happening. +denied by mrs she had a letter. +but you ask the people that work there, you ask social workers . +that place was gradually being run down like a lot of the other are. david, near time. -as far as the nottinghamshire erm thing the reason notts are having to close it is because the they've been capped haven't they and they've gotta save money. +as far as the nottinghamshire erm thing the reason notts are having to close it is because the they've been capped haven't they and they've gotta save money. now i think this is what's behind all this actually. not to do with looking after people at all. it's to start saving money and give some and give some of this money to their private sector friends. @@ -39303,51 +39267,51 @@ once again this is what's happened. thank you david, thank you. so chair, i will second these resolut , the the amendment. mr -yes, thank you chair, erm a lot of this debate circles around what we do about community care, i have to tell this council as far as i'm concerned, community care's dead in the water. -without massive input from central government and local government there is no community care there are people out there not receiving the services they deserve +yes, thank you chair, erm a lot of this debate circles around what we do about community care, i have to tell this council as far as i'm concerned, community care's dead in the water. +without massive input from central government and local government there is no community care there are people out there not receiving the services they deserve with no prospect of receiving the services they deserve. -let's not pretend that we can escape from our responsibility to these old people by pretending that the community will take care of them, that's not the way it's gonna be. -er mr talked about the figures, i'm convinced that the figures that, that i was given still include perzon house i'm convinced that those figures were not, have not been taken out erm i don't know who should audit the figures, perhaps the internal audit should audit the figures. +let's not pretend that we can escape from our responsibility to these old people by pretending that the community will take care of them, that's not the way it's gonna be. +er mr talked about the figures, i'm convinced that the figures that, that i was given still include perzon house i'm convinced that those figures were not, have not been taken out erm i don't know who should audit the figures, perhaps the internal audit should audit the figures. yes, yes, here, here. -mr was completely wrong about the labour amendment erm in fact he read out the wrong amendment altogether. -the labour amendment was to explore ways in which resources can be provided to fund and enhance refurbishment programme without closures and that for the next two years the additional necessary funding be sourced from housing benefit income and income from the sale of east midlands airport and from other capital receipts. -now if the labour group had moved a widening of erm the sort of provision in our elderly persons homes, i could have understood that, because we didn't have real figures, we could not get hold of real figures, every time i went back to a local party meeting, to the labour group, to any other member they said, do you realise this home has this number of vacancies and your report says that number. +mr was completely wrong about the labour amendment erm in fact he read out the wrong amendment altogether. +the labour amendment was to explore ways in which resources can be provided to fund and enhance refurbishment programme without closures and that for the next two years the additional necessary funding be sourced from housing benefit income and income from the sale of east midlands airport and from other capital receipts. +now if the labour group had moved a widening of erm the sort of provision in our elderly persons homes, i could have understood that, because we didn't have real figures, we could not get hold of real figures, every time i went back to a local party meeting, to the labour group, to any other member they said, do you realise this home has this number of vacancies and your report says that number. do you realise that the figures are out that everybody knows that the figures are out. -is mr and is er capacity for understatement. -his desire to devastate our residential sector and close seventeen homes will be thwarted somebody over there, it may have been mr it may not have been, said that there hadn't been any redundancies. -arbour house twenty four staff, twelve redundancies, twelve redeployed. +is mr and is er capacity for understatement. +his desire to devastate our residential sector and close seventeen homes will be thwarted somebody over there, it may have been mr it may not have been, said that there hadn't been any redundancies. +arbour house twenty four staff, twelve redundancies, twelve redeployed. huntingdon court twenty nine staff, ten redundancies, seventeen redeployed, two still in temporary posts. the limes,provisional figures twenty nine ninety three, closing during october, thirty four staff, sixteen redundancies, fifteen redeployed, two ill health retirements, one retirement. bythorpe hall twenty one redundancies, six lay off agreements, two redeployed, one temporary for a year, one on trial period two to three months. -kurzon house twenty eight staff, seventeen redundancies of which two re since redeployed ten redeployed, one ill health retirement, of course there are no redundancies. +kurzon house twenty eight staff, seventeen redundancies of which two re since redeployed ten redeployed, one ill health retirement, of course there are no redundancies. we've not made anyone redundant, no one at all. -that labour amendment i read out mentioned the airport money. -i'm aware as everybody else is, that we could do the sort of sweepstake that we carry out on th , what time the meeting's gonna close and everybody can just put down how +that labour amendment i read out mentioned the airport money. +i'm aware as everybody else is, that we could do the sort of sweepstake that we carry out on th , what time the meeting's gonna close and everybody can just put down how many times the the airport money had been spent. -but the real fact is if this council regards elderly persons homes as the priority it pretends then it has to be the first priority for that money. -it doesn't have to stand in line behind anything else. -about er refurbishment and closure programme mr talked about, a a refurbishment and closure programme is a tory programme, not a labour programme and of course this is all verified by mrs coming along to the committee and saying please don't close barleythorpe hall, please tell the people that you're going to re-open barleythorpe hall, please do not allow them to think that it's going to close. +but the real fact is if this council regards elderly persons homes as the priority it pretends then it has to be the first priority for that money. +it doesn't have to stand in line behind anything else. +about er refurbishment and closure programme mr talked about, a a refurbishment and closure programme is a tory programme, not a labour programme and of course this is all verified by mrs coming along to the committee and saying please don't close barleythorpe hall, please tell the people that you're going to re-open barleythorpe hall, please do not allow them to think that it's going to close. has anyone seen barleythorpe hall? -does anyone know what needs to be done there, what the work is and how much it is gonna cost, i'm sure mrs seen it. -so why are social workers directed people into the private sector, they are under the same constant pressure of letters from the private sector, the wingeing, the groaning, the moaning, the threats of legal action, the threats of judicial review as the rest of us. -hardly surprising that they over compensate is it put people into the private sector. -i didn't understand her questions was it the figures had come from the private sector i'm not sure if she understood it herself either erm we've talked in the social services planning cuts committee about a list of homes for refurbishment and mr wanted a very long list er a list which would blight every home not on the list. -mrs talked about four, we've actually agreed that there should be more homes on the list than four er for prospective refurbishment and mr has stood up and protested that he did not produce the figures, but professor still says you will produce figures for this and you will produce figures for that, none of us do that we all get our figures from the same place but we all get inconsistent figures. -erm, mr knows when he talked about getting rid of all the a ho , our homes that of course, we're not allowed to get rid of all of our homes, if we were the tories would have moved it years ago. -but what does happen is that people are directed away from blighted homes we know that that happens, it happens all the time, as soon as a home's name is mentioned social workers, quite honourably believe that there's no sense in putting down people's names, no no sense in sending people there and you would expect nothing different from them so it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. -the point to mr , the point of the reference back is simply to allow us to say that we do not accept the figures that we're being presented with. +does anyone know what needs to be done there, what the work is and how much it is gonna cost, i'm sure mrs seen it. +so why are social workers directed people into the private sector, they are under the same constant pressure of letters from the private sector, the wingeing, the groaning, the moaning, the threats of legal action, the threats of judicial review as the rest of us. +hardly surprising that they over compensate is it put people into the private sector. +i didn't understand her questions was it the figures had come from the private sector i'm not sure if she understood it herself either erm we've talked in the social services planning cuts committee about a list of homes for refurbishment and mr wanted a very long list er a list which would blight every home not on the list. +mrs talked about four, we've actually agreed that there should be more homes on the list than four er for prospective refurbishment and mr has stood up and protested that he did not produce the figures, but professor still says you will produce figures for this and you will produce figures for that, none of us do that we all get our figures from the same place but we all get inconsistent figures. +erm, mr knows when he talked about getting rid of all the a ho , our homes that of course, we're not allowed to get rid of all of our homes, if we were the tories would have moved it years ago. +but what does happen is that people are directed away from blighted homes we know that that happens, it happens all the time, as soon as a home's name is mentioned social workers, quite honourably believe that there's no sense in putting down people's names, no no sense in sending people there and you would expect nothing different from them so it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. +the point to mr , the point of the reference back is simply to allow us to say that we do not accept the figures that we're being presented with. we will not accept those figures because they are not correct. -everybody agrees now that the figures before us are not correct as everybody produces a different set er, it's alright for mr to sit there and mr like heckyl and jeckyl saying no we don't, no we don't, but he comes forward with different figures, worst figures +everybody agrees now that the figures before us are not correct as everybody produces a different set er, it's alright for mr to sit there and mr like heckyl and jeckyl saying no we don't, no we don't, but he comes forward with different figures, worst figures than we're presented with in the reports, he does it all the time chairman. -as for mr we're out of recession are we?well if that's an excuse for saying let's close homes well, i think that's a a terrible shame, all he, the certainty that he wants to offer to our elderly people is the certainty that their home will close and they'll be thrown out of it. -people really do have to understand the trauma we are talking about with moving people out of homes, the trauma that moving them out for refurbishment is bad enough. +as for mr we're out of recession are we?well if that's an excuse for saying let's close homes well, i think that's a a terrible shame, all he, the certainty that he wants to offer to our elderly people is the certainty that their home will close and they'll be thrown out of it. +people really do have to understand the trauma we are talking about with moving people out of homes, the trauma that moving them out for refurbishment is bad enough. but telling them that they will not move back is even worse. -we really do have to put a human face onto these figures and these financial arguments, until we do that, we will not carry any decision in this council chamber which is worth a light to any single elderly person in any of our homes or outside of our homes chairman. +we really do have to put a human face onto these figures and these financial arguments, until we do that, we will not carry any decision in this council chamber which is worth a light to any single elderly person in any of our homes or outside of our homes chairman. i recommend to you the amendment. right, we now put the amendment. those in favour please show. right, we're just going to count. -right, those against the amendment is lost, thirty six forty, er those in favour of the substantive motion please say aye. +right, those against the amendment is lost, thirty six forty, er those in favour of the substantive motion please say aye. aye. those against. no. @@ -39355,124 +39319,124 @@ the ayes have it. we will now have a fifteen minute recess. six d the report of public protection committee. yes, i've just counted them, robert counts as two, bob -that's important you see right . -that's promotion in the labour rank would you like to move the motion please mr . +that's important you see right . +that's promotion in the labour rank would you like to move the motion please mr . would you prepare to move the motion please. -yes, sorry mr chairman erm i move, what'm i doing? -i move in the er public protection report that er mr chairman, the bell's still going do you want me to hang on a minute or what? +yes, sorry mr chairman erm i move, what'm i doing? +i move in the er public protection report that er mr chairman, the bell's still going do you want me to hang on a minute or what? no carry on, i, the first bell there they should have been in. carry on. -but people are gonna miss my blooming speech they'll miss it. +but people are gonna miss my blooming speech they'll miss it. i know you spent hours, i know you spent hours preparing this speech. i haven't actually. the important ones are here, proceed please. -i've prepared the amendment in the in in removing the port er mr chairman i think it's erm important to note the reason why the public protection committee have asked the report to be put onto the council agenda. -not simply because we also want to put our bid in straightaway for the airport money which is er contrary to opinion +i've prepared the amendment in the in in removing the port er mr chairman i think it's erm important to note the reason why the public protection committee have asked the report to be put onto the council agenda. +not simply because we also want to put our bid in straightaway for the airport money which is er contrary to opinion had been noted. -but to highlight to members of the council the importance of having the proper funding er er for the southern fire station. -the reasons for the southern fire station are clearly outlined on page seventy and seventy one which is an extract from her majesty's fire service inspectorate. -in particular item eleven point three of that where the h m i said sufficient capital should be provided to enable the provision of the southern fire station to go ahead. -there is a large area of new build around where the southern fire station will be and i do say will be because it will be. -that sounded, that sounded er, sounded quite good -a promise and er one of the im important things er is that the chief fire officer is currently away in glasgow at the fire service conference, as you're well aware. -but i spoke with mr about half an hour ago on the telephone, told him not to worry at all, that +but to highlight to members of the council the importance of having the proper funding er er for the southern fire station. +the reasons for the southern fire station are clearly outlined on page seventy and seventy one which is an extract from her majesty's fire service inspectorate. +in particular item eleven point three of that where the h m i said sufficient capital should be provided to enable the provision of the southern fire station to go ahead. +there is a large area of new build around where the southern fire station will be and i do say will be because it will be. +that sounded, that sounded er, sounded quite good +a promise and er one of the im important things er is that the chief fire officer is currently away in glasgow at the fire service conference, as you're well aware. +but i spoke with mr about half an hour ago on the telephone, told him not to worry at all, that that's confidence. -this evening bob will be changing his amendment to read the funds will be provided rather than consideration. -and the chief said that doesn't compare he said that does not concur with a visit i had last night in glasgow whilst asleep when he awoke to a gleaming light at his bedroom and he said who are you and this figure said i am god and the chief fire officer said well god, all i want to know is one thing, will i get my southern fire station? +this evening bob will be changing his amendment to read the funds will be provided rather than consideration. +and the chief said that doesn't compare he said that does not concur with a visit i had last night in glasgow whilst asleep when he awoke to a gleaming light at his bedroom and he said who are you and this figure said i am god and the chief fire officer said well god, all i want to know is one thing, will i get my southern fire station? and god said not in my lifetime. cos i've since spoke to god mr chairman. and he is, as you do, as you do, and he assures me that er we will get the fire station. -i don't wish to underestimate it the, our attendance times around the meridian park area, the large new build area mr chairman erm, our attendance times there are shocking to say the least. -no fault of our brigade at all, there's a desperate need for the southern fire station to go ahead without any doubt whatsoever, lives are at risk and the longer we leave this the more the costs will keep increasing and er i i believe that the airport money should be used to build -another one now, it's all gone now +i don't wish to underestimate it the, our attendance times around the meridian park area, the large new build area mr chairman erm, our attendance times there are shocking to say the least. +no fault of our brigade at all, there's a desperate need for the southern fire station to go ahead without any doubt whatsoever, lives are at risk and the longer we leave this the more the costs will keep increasing and er i i believe that the airport money should be used to build +another one now, it's all gone now owen, it's not spent yet. trust me. trust me i said not truss me, trust me. -we have one of the best fire services and the best brigades in this country mr chairman and you none the least mr chairman on some of you recent visits and meeting some of our fire personnel are more than aware we are the the best equipped, the cheapest brigade and our chaps and girls in leicestershire, the morale is very high, regardless of what's going on around the pay dispute at the moment and i think that we need to show our support to those fire personnel and provide the adequate funding for the southern fire station. -i'm assured by tommy that after i open the saw valley way er traffic jam on november the third, you you'll get a slight better erm, slightly better chance traffic through, er. +we have one of the best fire services and the best brigades in this country mr chairman and you none the least mr chairman on some of you recent visits and meeting some of our fire personnel are more than aware we are the the best equipped, the cheapest brigade and our chaps and girls in leicestershire, the morale is very high, regardless of what's going on around the pay dispute at the moment and i think that we need to show our support to those fire personnel and provide the adequate funding for the southern fire station. +i'm assured by tommy that after i open the saw valley way er traffic jam on november the third, you you'll get a slight better erm, slightly better chance traffic through, er. have we a seconder? -have you reserved any remarks, you want er mrs do you wish to speak? +have you reserved any remarks, you want er mrs do you wish to speak? i sorry, sorry. we'll have the amendment first shall we? yes, let's have the amendment. we have an amendment by mr . i only did that just to test to see if you were awake. -i think er in an effort to accommodate mr chairman, the members here this evening, it's been quite a long day, the the conservative amendment is very close to the amendment that both er myself and mr have put in and yes we would be willing to accept that, i think we've got the point across which the only thing missing from the conservative amendment is the thing about the airport money. +i think er in an effort to accommodate mr chairman, the members here this evening, it's been quite a long day, the the conservative amendment is very close to the amendment that both er myself and mr have put in and yes we would be willing to accept that, i think we've got the point across which the only thing missing from the conservative amendment is the thing about the airport money. i think i've made that point will you accept this subject in the raffle? chairman all i've heard so far is music to my ears er thank you. i'd like to er say one or two words before er moving the amendment and i, i'm very pleased to to hear that the two are to be incorporated as it were into this one. -members of the public protection committee take due note of the contents of her majesty's inspector's current report, but in particular we take note of his concerns that the standard of fire cover in an area to the south west of the city is inadequate. -he's repeated his concern to us regularly for eight years eight years. +members of the public protection committee take due note of the contents of her majesty's inspector's current report, but in particular we take note of his concerns that the standard of fire cover in an area to the south west of the city is inadequate. +he's repeated his concern to us regularly for eight years eight years. i've no difficulty in seeing why he's concerned er because i've seen the figures and examine the situation in in great detail. but even without the figures it takes very little imagination to see why this council must not put off any longer the construction and commissioning of the southern fire station. -imagine with me chairman if you will the thoughts of someone trapped by some misfortune in the midst of the wreckage of a road traffic accident on the m 1 motorway southbound between junctions twenty one and twenty that's at nutterworth or northbound between twenty one and twenty two or westbound on the m 69 they'll be thinking the fire brigade'll be here in a minute or two. -certainly the first appliance will arrive but on the opposite carriageway because it's coming from nutterworth or hinkley or colvill severely hampering what that appliance crew can do speedily. -it's unlikely that they will imagine that the most helpful appliance is most likely to be one of three, battling to get through the traffic from new parts of leicester, lancaster place leicester and wigstone. -three because the chief fire officer cannot guarantee any longer er that if he only despatched the one which is necessary, it would actually get through the traffic. -similarly in the vast residential and commercial areas of enderby, norborough, homkirk, cosby, watchton croft, parts of broadstone and meridian itself the delays have become unacceptable. +imagine with me chairman if you will the thoughts of someone trapped by some misfortune in the midst of the wreckage of a road traffic accident on the m 1 motorway southbound between junctions twenty one and twenty that's at nutterworth or northbound between twenty one and twenty two or westbound on the m 69 they'll be thinking the fire brigade'll be here in a minute or two. +certainly the first appliance will arrive but on the opposite carriageway because it's coming from nutterworth or hinkley or colvill severely hampering what that appliance crew can do speedily. +it's unlikely that they will imagine that the most helpful appliance is most likely to be one of three, battling to get through the traffic from new parts of leicester, lancaster place leicester and wigstone. +three because the chief fire officer cannot guarantee any longer er that if he only despatched the one which is necessary, it would actually get through the traffic. +similarly in the vast residential and commercial areas of enderby, norborough, homkirk, cosby, watchton croft, parts of broadstone and meridian itself the delays have become unacceptable. this area is the furthest such populated area from a fire station in the county. i have witnessed myself the effects of the delays on a number of occasions. -within the past year a small fire in a large victorian house only fifty yards from my workplace watching helplessly while the building became engulfed before the brigade arrived from leicester and wigstone, five and six miles distance distant. +within the past year a small fire in a large victorian house only fifty yards from my workplace watching helplessly while the building became engulfed before the brigade arrived from leicester and wigstone, five and six miles distance distant. minutes matter, we all know this because of regular news reports, videos and demonstrations to the committee. i know because many years ago i happened to be in the right place, in the ambulance i was driving at the right time and was able to e effect a rescue of an old woman from her smoke filled house at burstill ten minutes later i could not have done it because of the smoke. the fire brigade arriving five minutes later might have done it, ten minutes, definitely not. the chief fire officer advises us that the attendance times to the areas i have mentioned are regularly over the response times allowed by the standards of fire cover. he tells me that attendances between three and five minutes, over the ten minutes allowed are common. -five, six, seven, eight minutes are understandable and acceptable lives are regularly saved in that time. -more than the ten minutes allowed is no longer acceptable to the inspector or to the many thousands of people who live and work in a large and congested area of leicestershire. -southern fire station will not only direct cover directly cover these areas but also provide essential back up cover to a much larger area including glaby, wigstone, nutterworth, hinkley and parts of the city. -it is pleasing that there is a large degree of support for the southern fire station as i said it was music to my ears. +five, six, seven, eight minutes are understandable and acceptable lives are regularly saved in that time. +more than the ten minutes allowed is no longer acceptable to the inspector or to the many thousands of people who live and work in a large and congested area of leicestershire. +southern fire station will not only direct cover directly cover these areas but also provide essential back up cover to a much larger area including glaby, wigstone, nutterworth, hinkley and parts of the city. +it is pleasing that there is a large degree of support for the southern fire station as i said it was music to my ears. this has been expressed by the acquisition of land by this council at meridian and by placing the scheme in the capital programme as a high priority. -at our last meeting the council noted during question time that mr and i agree that the saving of life from fire is an overriding priority for this council. -i therefore urge members to agree on by whatever mechanism the financial experts deem proper, i'll say no more than that, er to place southern fire station firmly in the capital programme for next year and ensure revenue monies are available to enable its swift and essential opening. -with all sincerity er mr chairman on behalf of the people who live and work in that area i move the amendment. +at our last meeting the council noted during question time that mr and i agree that the saving of life from fire is an overriding priority for this council. +i therefore urge members to agree on by whatever mechanism the financial experts deem proper, i'll say no more than that, er to place southern fire station firmly in the capital programme for next year and ensure revenue monies are available to enable its swift and essential opening. +with all sincerity er mr chairman on behalf of the people who live and work in that area i move the amendment. mrs mr . yes, thank you chairman. i find this just a minute, can you hold just a moment er just a minute can i just make it clear chairman on the amendment. -as i understand the position mr and mrs and the council have accepted that amendment so you've now got that as your motion with your debate. +as i understand the position mr and mrs and the council have accepted that amendment so you've now got that as your motion with your debate. i am pleased to hear that sir. chairman it makes the whole thing far simpler i think because there isn't really no disagreement about this whatsoever. -i've read about mr help line, i didn't realise he had a direct connection to the almighty but he's obviously got his instructions and erm we are very pleased that he's going along the right lines. +i've read about mr help line, i didn't realise he had a direct connection to the almighty but he's obviously got his instructions and erm we are very pleased that he's going along the right lines. now this really is one of the most important things on the agenda today. it is far more important in my view than a token ban on fox hunting on which we spent hours earlier on in the afternoon. -this is the kind of thing that we really ought to be addressing because this actually addresses the safety of people in this county, not only the safety of people, this addresses the safety of property as well and there's no disagreement about the fact that this enormous development that's happened over the last few years in an area where you've got a regular traffic snarl-ups mean that you have got a potential disaster there on your hands and we're jolly lucky we haven't any more serious incidents than we've had already and so i can see no reason why these two mo these two amendments shouldn't both happily be accepted though i'm very cynical about the number of times we've spent the airport money already and sooner or later we've obviously got to actually seriously address that but the important thing is that we do all take it seriously and it seems that we all do now take it seriously. -that what the inspector's been telling us year after year, that we are in serious danger of not coming up to the protection safety standards, is something that we can't push into the background any longer and i'm very glad it's come to the full council so that the whole council can take it seriously the public protection committee has taken it seriously for a very long time. +this is the kind of thing that we really ought to be addressing because this actually addresses the safety of people in this county, not only the safety of people, this addresses the safety of property as well and there's no disagreement about the fact that this enormous development that's happened over the last few years in an area where you've got a regular traffic snarl-ups mean that you have got a potential disaster there on your hands and we're jolly lucky we haven't any more serious incidents than we've had already and so i can see no reason why these two mo these two amendments shouldn't both happily be accepted though i'm very cynical about the number of times we've spent the airport money already and sooner or later we've obviously got to actually seriously address that but the important thing is that we do all take it seriously and it seems that we all do now take it seriously. +that what the inspector's been telling us year after year, that we are in serious danger of not coming up to the protection safety standards, is something that we can't push into the background any longer and i'm very glad it's come to the full council so that the whole council can take it seriously the public protection committee has taken it seriously for a very long time. mr . -mr chairman, i i welcome this opportunity er of of saying just a very brief word about fire service because as a new member i think one of the services that this county has er er is top in is the fire service. -it has impressed but it has to have the right tools if it is going to provide the safety that councillor referred to and the saving of life which was referred to by councillor . -i welcome too that the labour party have accepted the amendment. -we now have a a piece of land which we can't use for fox hunting, so let's use it for the purpose it was bought for, use it for the fire station. -but why i am pleased that this has been, that the amendment has been accepted is because of the words and that projection's been made of the eventual revenue requirements to enable proper future provision to be budgeted for. -it is very important this is done, we can join the raffle for the east midlands airport and i'll tell you this i will help you pick out the winning ticket er but we cannot use the east midlands airport money for revenue to run the stations. +mr chairman, i i welcome this opportunity er of of saying just a very brief word about fire service because as a new member i think one of the services that this county has er er is top in is the fire service. +it has impressed but it has to have the right tools if it is going to provide the safety that councillor referred to and the saving of life which was referred to by councillor . +i welcome too that the labour party have accepted the amendment. +we now have a a piece of land which we can't use for fox hunting, so let's use it for the purpose it was bought for, use it for the fire station. +but why i am pleased that this has been, that the amendment has been accepted is because of the words and that projection's been made of the eventual revenue requirements to enable proper future provision to be budgeted for. +it is very important this is done, we can join the raffle for the east midlands airport and i'll tell you this i will help you pick out the winning ticket er but we cannot use the east midlands airport money for revenue to run the stations. to often we have heard of buildings that have been put under capital expenditure and then the revenue has not been available for their use. -i think we must make it a positive step forward that this council not only goes forwards to build but it goes forward to use that building and give the firemen of this county the right tools, or firewoman, the firemen and the firewoman of this county the right tools to work with. +i think we must make it a positive step forward that this council not only goes forwards to build but it goes forward to use that building and give the firemen of this county the right tools, or firewoman, the firemen and the firewoman of this county the right tools to work with. thank you. mr i suppose i'm the er ghost at the feast. -first of all i that at no time have the labour, the liberal and the conservative not been totally in favour of this fire station. -they were last year, they gave an undertaking to do it as soon as possible, it is a case of where the money comes from er mr of course is relatively new er we don't bother about as a rule about what he casts as new costs in new staff. -we just passed the revenue, the capital, the revenue then goes on the base budget, is called the revenue consequence of capital expenditure and all the fire officers ask for is enough to build a fire station and the cost of running it is automatically going onto your bill. +first of all i that at no time have the labour, the liberal and the conservative not been totally in favour of this fire station. +they were last year, they gave an undertaking to do it as soon as possible, it is a case of where the money comes from er mr of course is relatively new er we don't bother about as a rule about what he casts as new costs in new staff. +we just passed the revenue, the capital, the revenue then goes on the base budget, is called the revenue consequence of capital expenditure and all the fire officers ask for is enough to build a fire station and the cost of running it is automatically going onto your bill. now somewhere we've gotta sort this out, because this is part of last year. -figures may be updated i seem to remember the fire station somewhere in the region of a million plus and the cost of running it was three hundred thousand a year. +figures may be updated i seem to remember the fire station somewhere in the region of a million plus and the cost of running it was three hundred thousand a year. now both of these costs were fine, if this is your priority it's alright. -i hope you'll pick out what's got to come from the east midlands national airport, can i remind you that a list of that has already been made and passed by this council when there was not a conservative majority and that had on it about seventy traffic calming schemes bottlenecks'll be done all over this county which in themselves save accidents and save lives. -now er there are some areas based in my area where you wouldn't get the fire station, the fire engine through the bottleneck in ten minutes erm, all this has got to be put in its relative priority. -now as long as this is council budget if this is what you prefer rather than dovelands school that's alright, this is the problem that the financial committee will be faced with this year. -urgent demand for which i totally agree for millions more than the money is available er, as long as all the council says this is our priority of course you can have it. -as long as you're answerable for the other priorities that can't be met. +i hope you'll pick out what's got to come from the east midlands national airport, can i remind you that a list of that has already been made and passed by this council when there was not a conservative majority and that had on it about seventy traffic calming schemes bottlenecks'll be done all over this county which in themselves save accidents and save lives. +now er there are some areas based in my area where you wouldn't get the fire station, the fire engine through the bottleneck in ten minutes erm, all this has got to be put in its relative priority. +now as long as this is council budget if this is what you prefer rather than dovelands school that's alright, this is the problem that the financial committee will be faced with this year. +urgent demand for which i totally agree for millions more than the money is available er, as long as all the council says this is our priority of course you can have it. +as long as you're answerable for the other priorities that can't be met. i'm totally in support of this, i'm support of a lot,want to be done. as long as we accept that there is a limit to what can be done and that in no way's detracted from fire station. -i'm delighted fire station's run at a low cost. +i'm delighted fire station's run at a low cost. members here sometimes were almost ashamed of the fact. -there's also want more money to cheapest in the country and i say good and i hope we can fit it in this budget time and i hope we all support this, for this. -i hope when the financial sub-committee suggests the capital expenditure one isn't there. +there's also want more money to cheapest in the country and i say good and i hope we can fit it in this budget time and i hope we all support this, for this. +i hope when the financial sub-committee suggests the capital expenditure one isn't there. you will carry back to your electorate and tell them why it wasn't there. do you want dovelands put back?cos dovelands didn't come on this year either and this is a a dilemma that will face us all. -i'm delighted it it's a conservative erm er resol er erm amendment that i think is agreed by all the council. +i'm delighted it it's a conservative erm er resol er erm amendment that i think is agreed by all the council. that all agree this is a very high priority. next february will you still live with that priority. well we will, you might not. @@ -39481,33 +39445,33 @@ mr . in short all i hope that er this unanimous er feeling for the fire service stays in this next pending dispute. i hope you still support firemen through their troubled times in the next few months. thank you chair. -right mr you want to reply like to reply. +right mr you want to reply like to reply. thank you very much mr chairman. -very quickly erm er the mrs said that er yes i do have a direct er line to god and one of the messages he did give me was that i should start to write focus. -perhaps we could er +very quickly erm er the mrs said that er yes i do have a direct er line to god and one of the messages he did give me was that i should start to write focus. +perhaps we could er i thought god was writing that -very constructive er mr . -mr erm er we've actually got the land for the er the fire station, i think you you were there with us. +very constructive er mr . +mr erm er we've actually got the land for the er the fire station, i think you you were there with us. well it can't be used for fox hunting now. that's true. -erm, it's actually sitting there on the meridian er business park, it's been sitting there for three years er overgrown with er grass and what have you and it's there. -mr just very quickly erm i disagree with your analogy about the ghost but probably the rest of it, i'm not too sure erm the figures for the running of the fire station have been updated. -it's no longer three hundred thousand pounds, the chief fire officer and the deputy chief fire officer along with the er, the finance wizard david, have worked very very hard on er producing revised figures, scrimping and scraping equipment from other stations and the the actual figure is about a hundred and sixty four thousand pounds now. -we brought the figure down having at le , and waited two years and that's th , i think that proves the lad's foundation to the argument of how desperate the fire service need, need this station and it has absolutely nothing to do with dovelands school er er whatsoever as far as i'm concerned, i'm the spokesperson for public protection not education and that's it and er i'm surprised er er that i know erm er er that mr is is a very, very good supporter of the er southern fire station and supported us in the er in the er question we asked at the last council er meeting and er i'm surprised he hasn't spoke or even mr who er, who likes to s , who likes to speak in the chamber but i've hasn't supported the fire station. +erm, it's actually sitting there on the meridian er business park, it's been sitting there for three years er overgrown with er grass and what have you and it's there. +mr just very quickly erm i disagree with your analogy about the ghost but probably the rest of it, i'm not too sure erm the figures for the running of the fire station have been updated. +it's no longer three hundred thousand pounds, the chief fire officer and the deputy chief fire officer along with the er, the finance wizard david, have worked very very hard on er producing revised figures, scrimping and scraping equipment from other stations and the the actual figure is about a hundred and sixty four thousand pounds now. +we brought the figure down having at le , and waited two years and that's th , i think that proves the lad's foundation to the argument of how desperate the fire service need, need this station and it has absolutely nothing to do with dovelands school er er whatsoever as far as i'm concerned, i'm the spokesperson for public protection not education and that's it and er i'm surprised er er that i know erm er er that mr is is a very, very good supporter of the er southern fire station and supported us in the er in the er question we asked at the last council er meeting and er i'm surprised he hasn't spoke or even mr who er, who likes to s , who likes to speak in the chamber but i've hasn't supported the fire station. thank you very much. -would those in favour of the amendment i'm very sorry but er it's not an automatic right, sorry, i'd like to have called him but er we've summed up, what do we do now? -we have re, technically reached the end of the debate i'm very sorry mr i'm sorry you'll have to wave a little i'm very sorry er, those in favour of the ame amendment. +would those in favour of the amendment i'm very sorry but er it's not an automatic right, sorry, i'd like to have called him but er we've summed up, what do we do now? +we have re, technically reached the end of the debate i'm very sorry mr i'm sorry you'll have to wave a little i'm very sorry er, those in favour of the ame amendment. it's an amended motion the amended motion please show. so that's subject to robert getting confirmation on sunday then. -er i wish to move that the er motion which is on the green order paper. -i do draw member's er an an in particular mr attention to paragraphs seven and eight of the report. -paragraph seven making it clear put that an initial assessment has already established er it has already passed the preliminary assessment stage er and that er the director is undertaking the data collection procedure so that the site can be properly assessed and i do drawn er mr attention er to that i erm have taken the opportunity during the last adjournment chairman to to speak to mr about the appropriateness of the wording of his er er amendment and i believe that he he may wish to er move something which is slightly different er which will certainly er we'll deal with that er if he does move that but er it clearly is the intention of this report and of the committee that when the work has been completed on the assessment of traffic calming measure in shalford and its priority established, that we would then bring er another report er to the highways and transportation committee in response to this petition er as as indeed is set out in paragraph ten b and if mr wished that to be brought forward through to council then that will be done but i leave to him if he wish to move an amendment to make it quite clear, since er i must say this motion is rather bland. +er i wish to move that the er motion which is on the green order paper. +i do draw member's er an an in particular mr attention to paragraphs seven and eight of the report. +paragraph seven making it clear put that an initial assessment has already established er it has already passed the preliminary assessment stage er and that er the director is undertaking the data collection procedure so that the site can be properly assessed and i do drawn er mr attention er to that i erm have taken the opportunity during the last adjournment chairman to to speak to mr about the appropriateness of the wording of his er er amendment and i believe that he he may wish to er move something which is slightly different er which will certainly er we'll deal with that er if he does move that but er it clearly is the intention of this report and of the committee that when the work has been completed on the assessment of traffic calming measure in shalford and its priority established, that we would then bring er another report er to the highways and transportation committee in response to this petition er as as indeed is set out in paragraph ten b and if mr wished that to be brought forward through to council then that will be done but i leave to him if he wish to move an amendment to make it quite clear, since er i must say this motion is rather bland. mr seconded chair, reserve my remarks. -can i, i would like to change the wording of the er amendment and i'm grateful to mr for the advice he gave because i think by erm a slightly shorter and er er brisker wording i can achieve the objectives that i set out to achieve. -if if if we if i withdraw the amendment in in terms that's on the order paper and substitute after the, after the erm, wording where it goes traffic calming measures on the b forty one at charnford and add on and that a further report be presented on traffic calming measures in response to the petition. -if that could be added that would achieve my objectives and we can all get on to the debate about v a t on. +can i, i would like to change the wording of the er amendment and i'm grateful to mr for the advice he gave because i think by erm a slightly shorter and er er brisker wording i can achieve the objectives that i set out to achieve. +if if if we if i withdraw the amendment in in terms that's on the order paper and substitute after the, after the erm, wording where it goes traffic calming measures on the b forty one at charnford and add on and that a further report be presented on traffic calming measures in response to the petition. +if that could be added that would achieve my objectives and we can all get on to the debate about v a t on. is that acceptable? . thank you. @@ -39517,147 +39481,146 @@ i move that the minutes of meetings of committees and sub-committees in sofar as for upon which a committee proposes hereafter to report to the council. all agreed. agreed. -appointment, agenda item eight, appointments in accordance no appointments, all agreed. +appointment, agenda item eight, appointments in accordance no appointments, all agreed. agenda item number nine, notice of motion, notice of motion by mr , mr . thank you mr chairman. -as you know it, this is the last i'm sure everyone's aware it's the last item on your agenda when i was looking at the agenda this item was before the fox hunting motion i thought well it'd be nice to have a debate before the fox hunting motion because we would have er a full house of people who i'm sure would be very interested to hear the discussion on v a t. as matter of fact i'm sure they would w w would welcome the opportunity to have a de , a discussion, but it seems they have gone and i got, i got it wrong chairman when you by taking the the the fox hunting motion it should really have, have held on till this time in the evening. -er i and the council will recall the last time we had a motion on v a t when we asked. +as you know it, this is the last i'm sure everyone's aware it's the last item on your agenda when i was looking at the agenda this item was before the fox hunting motion i thought well it'd be nice to have a debate before the fox hunting motion because we would have er a full house of people who i'm sure would be very interested to hear the discussion on v a t. as matter of fact i'm sure they would w w would welcome the opportunity to have a de , a discussion, but it seems they have gone and i got, i got it wrong chairman when you by taking the the the fox hunting motion it should really have, have held on till this time in the evening. +er i and the council will recall the last time we had a motion on v a t when we asked. the last council. -the last council yes and why not and this council and we haven't heard the end of it yet, well i'll be coming to that bit don't rush, don't rush me we did ask the secretary of state not to impose v a t on fuel and light because of the hardship it would impose on the people and in particular elderly pensioners, sick and invalids. -we wrote to the secretary of state after you passed that motion so it appears from the correspondence we have back from the secretary of state that they are bloody minded on this one and they're going to, he's going to support, press on with the imposition of v a t and since that time we we see he's well supported by the cabinet. +the last council yes and why not and this council and we haven't heard the end of it yet, well i'll be coming to that bit don't rush, don't rush me we did ask the secretary of state not to impose v a t on fuel and light because of the hardship it would impose on the people and in particular elderly pensioners, sick and invalids. +we wrote to the secretary of state after you passed that motion so it appears from the correspondence we have back from the secretary of state that they are bloody minded on this one and they're going to, he's going to support, press on with the imposition of v a t and since that time we we see he's well supported by the cabinet. now the the motion's expressing concern over the government's intention. -when we got the letters back from the secretary of state one of his excuses if you like, for imposing such a savage tax was that it was save fuel and help the environment. -now there's no mention of the human unhappiness by the imposition of the v a t and what this w w would, the concern no concern whatsoever about this savage tax. -now when the chancellor in the budget said that he would help the poor he stopped short, there were no copper bottomed no copper bottom guarantee and then later on we had michael portillo got in on the act. -now michael portillo is one of the tory high flyers, for anyone that don't know who he is, he's a tory high flyer who finds it very difficult to look down, very difficult to look down on those but he should look down before he makes a such statements. -michael said there would be no special compensation so you can imagine why we're concerned and why we have this back on the as a motion again. -a motion to monitor the effects it will have on people that we are responsible for. -so really it's only right that this council should follow up on such a motion. +when we got the letters back from the secretary of state one of his excuses if you like, for imposing such a savage tax was that it was save fuel and help the environment. +now there's no mention of the human unhappiness by the imposition of the v a t and what this w w would, the concern no concern whatsoever about this savage tax. +now when the chancellor in the budget said that he would help the poor he stopped short, there were no copper bottomed no copper bottom guarantee and then later on we had michael portillo got in on the act. +now michael portillo is one of the tory high flyers, for anyone that don't know who he is, he's a tory high flyer who finds it very difficult to look down, very difficult to look down on those but he should look down before he makes a such statements. +michael said there would be no special compensation so you can imagine why we're concerned and why we have this back on the as a motion again. +a motion to monitor the effects it will have on people that we are responsible for. +so really it's only right that this council should follow up on such a motion. because things are looking fairly bleak for pensions, disable etcetera. -looking at the report and using the present criteria for increase in pensions and these are the figures that i didn't produce but er they look pretty bleak as i said because what the pensions can expect next year will be eighty four p for single pensioners and one twenty eight in that area for a couple and then we had look at we have some concern of what happened yesterday in a statement by the chancellor of the exchequer who said he is going to extend v a t and also it has now been that instead of putting on half of it in nineteen ninety four he put the full pile at seventeen and a half percent in nineteen ninety four because what was being saved is that if he's leave the other half to nineteen ninety five it'll be round near the elections and er there could be some difficulty. -i was hoping there would and i will still hope because there's not for the political reas , i would hope that that the minister would not a u-turn, the chancellor would do a u-turn on this one. -because i can, i'm surprised that the tory party's . -it'll haunt the tory party for years. -it'll be a bigger bone than a bigger bone than ever the poll tax was. -now you say well why do a u-turn i see no reason why because they done a few u-turns on the child benefit they done a u-turn, they picked it up and then blocked it. -charging pensioners and children for medical prescriptions picked that one up and dropped it like a hot potato and charging for hospital treatment and why so why not do a u-turn on on this one? -we must think jim of those people as i said that we are responsible for. -our they'll want to forget that the tories programme and policies, they lied about taxes they promised not to extend v a t they lied about protecting the value of pensions well i hope the people who get the eight four p and the one twenty, the one's that the old dears will remember that because that's what they will be getting. -that's what they will be getting because i can tell this to the tories, let's be quite honest that with the throw up the the people put their trust in the tories and i don't think they'll ever do it again. -i hope that we will, i will debate even in this late hour, it's not too late to debate this very important issue and let the people out there know that we are thinking of them, not just about the things that happened early on today but least that we are responsible enough to dis to discuss this motion and to press and press and press again so the government, hoping the government will do a u- turn, if you don't you'll be gone forever. +looking at the report and using the present criteria for increase in pensions and these are the figures that i didn't produce but er they look pretty bleak as i said because what the pensions can expect next year will be eighty four p for single pensioners and one twenty eight in that area for a couple and then we had look at we have some concern of what happened yesterday in a statement by the chancellor of the exchequer who said he is going to extend v a t and also it has now been that instead of putting on half of it in nineteen ninety four he put the full pile at seventeen and a half percent in nineteen ninety four because what was being saved is that if he's leave the other half to nineteen ninety five it'll be round near the elections and er there could be some difficulty. +i was hoping there would and i will still hope because there's not for the political reas , i would hope that that the minister would not a u-turn, the chancellor would do a u-turn on this one. +because i can, i'm surprised that the tory party's . +it'll haunt the tory party for years. +it'll be a bigger bone than a bigger bone than ever the poll tax was. +now you say well why do a u-turn i see no reason why because they done a few u-turns on the child benefit they done a u-turn, they picked it up and then blocked it. +charging pensioners and children for medical prescriptions picked that one up and dropped it like a hot potato and charging for hospital treatment and why so why not do a u-turn on on this one? +we must think jim of those people as i said that we are responsible for. +our they'll want to forget that the tories programme and policies, they lied about taxes they promised not to extend v a t they lied about protecting the value of pensions well i hope the people who get the eight four p and the one twenty, the one's that the old dears will remember that because that's what they will be getting. +that's what they will be getting because i can tell this to the tories, let's be quite honest that with the throw up the the people put their trust in the tories and i don't think they'll ever do it again. +i hope that we will, i will debate even in this late hour, it's not too late to debate this very important issue and let the people out there know that we are thinking of them, not just about the things that happened early on today but least that we are responsible enough to dis to discuss this motion and to press and press and press again so the government, hoping the government will do a u- turn, if you don't you'll be gone forever. thank you chairman, i move. have a seconder. -seconded seconded mr chairman, reserve me remarks thank you. +seconded seconded mr chairman, reserve me remarks thank you. the serious item of news situ at the moment one day. mr . -mr chairman er when we discussed this last time er i expressed the view that in fact er the county council had better things to do i've not changed my mind erm since but i have been reminded that er when er the roman emperors er found ascension in the ranks when roman emperors found ascension in the ranks they provided bread and circuses and i have to say that i regard the two notices of motion which were placed in mr notably fox hunting and this debate on v a t as bread and circuses. -it could be that er he wishes to distract attention between the interesting arguments going on about one man one vote which i'm pleased to hear that mr has won. -well it is remarkable that it's taken until nineteen ninety two for the labour party to discover that democracy consists in one man one vote rather than somebody holding up holding up a card +mr chairman er when we discussed this last time er i expressed the view that in fact er the county council had better things to do i've not changed my mind erm since but i have been reminded that er when er the roman emperors er found ascension in the ranks when roman emperors found ascension in the ranks they provided bread and circuses and i have to say that i regard the two notices of motion which were placed in mr notably fox hunting and this debate on v a t as bread and circuses. +it could be that er he wishes to distract attention between the interesting arguments going on about one man one vote which i'm pleased to hear that mr has won. +well it is remarkable that it's taken until nineteen ninety two for the labour party to discover that democracy consists in one man one vote rather than somebody holding up holding up a card saying one and a half million votes. -and and it is also perhaps distracted er attention from the interesting disagreements also taking place at the labour party conference this week between the one more pushes, if i might describe them and the hard liners who believe you've got to be radical. +and and it is also perhaps distracted er attention from the interesting disagreements also taking place at the labour party conference this week between the one more pushes, if i might describe them and the hard liners who believe you've got to be radical. just wait for it. -so having said that i thought that there were more important issues for the council to discuss, i don't think it'd be fair to let this second debate on the subject pass without actually making a few er er a very short erm a few short remarks cos i think we need to be clear about the issues. -there is a need to fund the deficit in public expenditure. -even that nice mr gordon brown doesn't pretend that a deficit on the public borrowing requirement greater than fifty million is sensible. -indeed that nice it's interesting to note that that nice mr gordon brown has just rec -has just recently withdrawn labour's promise to link pensions with average earnings. -he recognises that there is a funding problem for public expenditure even if labour members in this chamber don't er and in case the erm er liberal group is feeling sanctimonious. -they should be aware that mr beat mr brown to the punch and did exactly the same thing a few months ago. -there is a serious question as to how reasonably you should fund the deficit and it is all very well to criticise this suggestion as to how the a gap should filled without making any sensible suggestions of your own and mr brown, nice mr brown so far +so having said that i thought that there were more important issues for the council to discuss, i don't think it'd be fair to let this second debate on the subject pass without actually making a few er er a very short erm a few short remarks cos i think we need to be clear about the issues. +there is a need to fund the deficit in public expenditure. +even that nice mr gordon brown doesn't pretend that a deficit on the public borrowing requirement greater than fifty million is sensible. +indeed that nice it's interesting to note that that nice mr gordon brown has just rec +has just recently withdrawn labour's promise to link pensions with average earnings. +he recognises that there is a funding problem for public expenditure even if labour members in this chamber don't er and in case the erm er liberal group is feeling sanctimonious. +they should be aware that mr beat mr brown to the punch and did exactly the same thing a few months ago. +there is a serious question as to how reasonably you should fund the deficit and it is all very well to criticise this suggestion as to how the a gap should filled without making any sensible suggestions of your own and mr brown, nice mr brown so far has been singularly silent on the matter. -the second fact issued before us and it's one that i referred to er when we did it, debated this last time is that if members do take seriously the whole question of +the second fact issued before us and it's one that i referred to er when we did it, debated this last time is that if members do take seriously the whole question of near time -of reduction of er emissions then in fact you have got to reduce the consumption of erm hydrocarbons er as interesting as the liberal party has said for years but now er pretends it had nothing to do with erm, er v a t on fuel. -one final quick note chairman, there is no point complaining that there has not been a cop copper bottomed guarantee. +of reduction of er emissions then in fact you have got to reduce the consumption of erm hydrocarbons er as interesting as the liberal party has said for years but now er pretends it had nothing to do with erm, er v a t on fuel. +one final quick note chairman, there is no point complaining that there has not been a cop copper bottomed guarantee. you're on time at the copper bottom. -mr will find out whether or not there is a copper bottomed guarantee when the budget is announced and until then +mr will find out whether or not there is a copper bottomed guarantee when the budget is announced and until then time please until then -please mr please. +please mr please. his criticisms are entirely er er surplus to requirements. mr . i didn't mind waiting. alright, well the rest did. we have nine speeches including yourself. -on a much more parochial level and i er i have an interest and i am one of these old age pensions that mr is determined to look after. -now the system at the moment seems to be er suggested by the government that v a t should go up and those that really need the money will be if not wholly, mainly compensated, they will of course get another rise if the cost of living goes up because their pensions will go up. -mr is very different we must all be protected, i've worked out my bill as the same as this year because no way shall i spend seventeen and a half percent more money i shall be as careful as i can and i shan't starve and i shan't get cold now i've worked out that the v a t on my fuel bill is eight hundred and eighty five pounds, i'd delighted if mr could perform the trick and i needn't pay it, on behalf of the duke of westminster, the duke of rutland, i think i can also thank him. -this is not er protecting that, no old age pensioner should pay these taxes they should pay the taxes unless they're in need and be adequately taken care of. -i must remind you that in europe that marvellous place with the social contract, hasn't prevented everyone paying tax on on fuel. +on a much more parochial level and i er i have an interest and i am one of these old age pensions that mr is determined to look after. +now the system at the moment seems to be er suggested by the government that v a t should go up and those that really need the money will be if not wholly, mainly compensated, they will of course get another rise if the cost of living goes up because their pensions will go up. +mr is very different we must all be protected, i've worked out my bill as the same as this year because no way shall i spend seventeen and a half percent more money i shall be as careful as i can and i shan't starve and i shan't get cold now i've worked out that the v a t on my fuel bill is eight hundred and eighty five pounds, i'd delighted if mr could perform the trick and i needn't pay it, on behalf of the duke of westminster, the duke of rutland, i think i can also thank him. +this is not er protecting that, no old age pensioner should pay these taxes they should pay the taxes unless they're in need and be adequately taken care of. +i must remind you that in europe that marvellous place with the social contract, hasn't prevented everyone paying tax on on fuel. i think in denmark it's twenty percent. somehow we are different. i don't know why we're different except that someone wants to makes some trouble. -if we come into line with europe,le europe will soon be putting pressure on us by having a common policy and the policy to save fossil er burning of fossil fuels is international. -the liberals said it must be done and done quickly the liberals said it must be done and done quickly, get extra tax on the fossil fuels for the sake of the environment. -if you remember you did say that. +if we come into line with europe,le europe will soon be putting pressure on us by having a common policy and the policy to save fossil er burning of fossil fuels is international. +the liberals said it must be done and done quickly the liberals said it must be done and done quickly, get extra tax on the fossil fuels for the sake of the environment. +if you remember you did say that. er it's perf altered a little now because it's not very popular but that's what you've said. -and i'm sure you've had a bit of thought about it, i'm glad you're see it there er and the whole lot is a blessed mismatch, it's nothing to do with us though i do thank you mr for the help you wish to give me, the duke of westminster and the duke of rutland if this goes through as i said this today because without a doubt the government will listen to what you have to say and i've no doubt it will be effect. +and i'm sure you've had a bit of thought about it, i'm glad you're see it there er and the whole lot is a blessed mismatch, it's nothing to do with us though i do thank you mr for the help you wish to give me, the duke of westminster and the duke of rutland if this goes through as i said this today because without a doubt the government will listen to what you have to say and i've no doubt it will be effect. mr thank you mr chairman. there is a sense of er deja vu about all of this isn't there. one seems to have heard it all and i'm sure you've heard before that i've, i've to say. -er, i wondered about this erm this tory high flyer, about whom er, my friend over there speaks with such admiration and envy, he must have a tremendous influence because i wonder, had he been the mover behind the fact that this v a t on fuel is is there in every other country in europe including ireland where it's about eleven percent. +er, i wondered about this erm this tory high flyer, about whom er, my friend over there speaks with such admiration and envy, he must have a tremendous influence because i wonder, had he been the mover behind the fact that this v a t on fuel is is there in every other country in europe including ireland where it's about eleven percent. so this tory high flyer must be a very high flyer indeed. -the truth of the matter is this of course, that mr might just as well put here any indirect tax, because that's what it's about. +the truth of the matter is this of course, that mr might just as well put here any indirect tax, because that's what it's about. in one sense all indirect taxation is hardly equitable because it falls on the rich and the poor, like the old saying the rain, it raineth every day upon the rich and just and unjust fellow. -but more upon the just because the unjust have the just's umbrella but er this happens all the time. +but more upon the just because the unjust have the just's umbrella but er this happens all the time. so there's no budget in picking out the f fuel for it. -you might just as well pick out anything but having done it and taking up, er what mr mentioned, this question i think it was mr , about the deficit. -there is a way of course, a classic way in which deficits trad can be absorbed. +you might just as well pick out anything but having done it and taking up, er what mr mentioned, this question i think it was mr , about the deficit. +there is a way of course, a classic way in which deficits trad can be absorbed. you do it by having very high inflation. -that's all is easy, it swallows up an inflation and in fact all those many years ago when there was a a socialist government seems a long since, like a bad dream now doesn't it, but when there was a socialist government, they did just this. -they have high inflation, i might add to you that it had a far far more damaging effect on poor old pensioners, like myself and i'm a war pensioner as well, poor old pensioners t to be serious, old people and people of limited means who are affected far more by the cure, the other cure that the labour party tried that that was high inflation, mind you i'm sure that they tried it, i think it just happened. -it does with labour parties -thank you -thank you very much, er i can't carry along because you want to stop me, but if i were capable of telling, i'd say my attitude is still the same as it was before. +that's all is easy, it swallows up an inflation and in fact all those many years ago when there was a a socialist government seems a long since, like a bad dream now doesn't it, but when there was a socialist government, they did just this. +they have high inflation, i might add to you that it had a far far more damaging effect on poor old pensioners, like myself and i'm a war pensioner as well, poor old pensioners t to be serious, old people and people of limited means who are affected far more by the cure, the other cure that the labour party tried that that was high inflation, mind you i'm sure that they tried it, i think it just happened. +it does with labour parties +thank you +thank you very much, er i can't carry along because you want to stop me, but if i were capable of telling, i'd say my attitude is still the same as it was before. i'm glad you didn't mention the bank manager's umbrella. -mr mr +mr mr than thank you chair. -very quickly in, what, what can i say, i mean it's an appalling situation where you have a political party that believes that it can solve all the ills of these the country that it has created in the last twelve years, i hope on the explicit though i tend to think renunciations are fairly clear here, but erm i hope you'll listen. +very quickly in, what, what can i say, i mean it's an appalling situation where you have a political party that believes that it can solve all the ills of these the country that it has created in the last twelve years, i hope on the explicit though i tend to think renunciations are fairly clear here, but erm i hope you'll listen. that, that they have create these ills in the last decade through this, this increase in indirect taxation. -be bec , the appalling thing is that they're quite, they're quite happy to spread this pain on those who are in the least position to burden it and they believe quite rightly and this, this is the i think, that exists between socialism and and and the conservatism in that sense that whereas erm, you know opinion surveys bear out the fact that people are quite happy, those who can afford it to pay a little bit extra in terms of direct taxation for those service provisions, which are absolutely vital and these surveys have been conducted in public and they have been made quite er er open to the press, er, just before the last election particularly for the health authority and so forth. +be bec , the appalling thing is that they're quite, they're quite happy to spread this pain on those who are in the least position to burden it and they believe quite rightly and this, this is the i think, that exists between socialism and and and the conservatism in that sense that whereas erm, you know opinion surveys bear out the fact that people are quite happy, those who can afford it to pay a little bit extra in terms of direct taxation for those service provisions, which are absolutely vital and these surveys have been conducted in public and they have been made quite er er open to the press, er, just before the last election particularly for the health authority and so forth. but i mean these, these surveys have indicated that the general public is quite prepared to give that little bit extra through direct t , through direct taxation, well listen, you you guys can't speak much after all there's only thirty one of you and there's thirty seven of us here let's face it. -er, but the interesting, the interesting thing is that they are prepared to pay and yet this obsession this obsession with this ideology that the only way you can get you can go forward in in terms of er placing this this country in any economic status in the way it may have been and er is is to privatisation of v a t. chairman i look forward to the day when when the very air and this has been said for that we breathe will either be privatised or more important they'll stick a bloody v a t on it. -but it, isn't it an awful situation when you, when you, when you look at it that evidence indicates that the erm the number of people that are either now elderly infirm or sick and and clearly that they all will have to face this, this, this terrible burden and i cannot understand because there is, this, there is, there is er a total disarray within the conservative party, that all their er er back bench er mp s are making representations to their erm their leader who possibly may not be a leader tomorrow but as long as he's the leader today, john major that he should do a rethink and here they are er you know, members of the same party, continuing to support something which is so idiosyncratic that you know it's really beyond belief, er chairman. +er, but the interesting, the interesting thing is that they are prepared to pay and yet this obsession this obsession with this ideology that the only way you can get you can go forward in in terms of er placing this this country in any economic status in the way it may have been and er is is to privatisation of v a t. chairman i look forward to the day when when the very air and this has been said for that we breathe will either be privatised or more important they'll stick a bloody v a t on it. +but it, isn't it an awful situation when you, when you, when you look at it that evidence indicates that the erm the number of people that are either now elderly infirm or sick and and clearly that they all will have to face this, this, this terrible burden and i cannot understand because there is, this, there is, there is er a total disarray within the conservative party, that all their er er back bench er mp s are making representations to their erm their leader who possibly may not be a leader tomorrow but as long as he's the leader today, john major that he should do a rethink and here they are er you know, members of the same party, continuing to support something which is so idiosyncratic that you know it's really beyond belief, er chairman. not idiosyncratic. -i think, well, clearly those people those people who have er those who have some notion of decency and particularly even taking into account the mixed economy that we need to work in will support er the notion that those people who cannot burden this kind of tax should not have to er er should not have to partake. +i think, well, clearly those people those people who have er those who have some notion of decency and particularly even taking into account the mixed economy that we need to work in will support er the notion that those people who cannot burden this kind of tax should not have to er er should not have to partake. in actual fact it was mentioned earlier that v a t er could be imposed on fossil fuel but i think any administration . -could clearly make some kind of differentiation between a conglomerate paying v a t or some such tax whereas er the exception could be made to those people who are not clearly in a position to make er er to say that. +could clearly make some kind of differentiation between a conglomerate paying v a t or some such tax whereas er the exception could be made to those people who are not clearly in a position to make er er to say that. ch chairman i hope that the motion will get full support. thank you. -er is there a in the house? +er is there a in the house? i, here he is. -mr chairman ladies and gentlemen, how's that. +mr chairman ladies and gentlemen, how's that. i wanted to say a word, i know you don't want me to. . -thank you, yes they should be but stand up and i'm only trying to help in the situation. -mr you'll spoi you'll spoil us when i saw this tonight i thought we i gotta say something because martin is coming up with the er same motion as it was last time, it was not much different so probably with the same reply's gotta be made and that is that the labour party is not the caring party, everyone here, i'm sure the liberals as well as the conservatives care we are a caring party as much as you are and we are concerned, we are concerned about, we are concerned about +thank you, yes they should be but stand up and i'm only trying to help in the situation. +mr you'll spoi you'll spoil us when i saw this tonight i thought we i gotta say something because martin is coming up with the er same motion as it was last time, it was not much different so probably with the same reply's gotta be made and that is that the labour party is not the caring party, everyone here, i'm sure the liberals as well as the conservatives care we are a caring party as much as you are and we are concerned, we are concerned about, we are concerned about the old people and the people that are, are living on low incomes. i am an old age pensioner, you wouldn't believe that would you? i've struggled -i know what it's like to struggle to pay . +i know what it's like to struggle to pay . here, here. thank you. -you may think i'm joking i don't go abroad for my holidays, i go to norfolk. +you may think i'm joking i don't go abroad for my holidays, i go to norfolk. i can't afford to go on foreign holidays. -anyway, the point is this that i am going to say as far as i'm concerned i'm gonna put all my maximum ability in making sure that this government stands by its obligation which it gave me when i wrote to the prime minister because i was very very concerned that i did not want to see the old people and pensioners who was having difficulty in making ends meet, suffer further and therefore i am with you when it comes to concerning yourself in relation to the o a p's or the pensioners or any one who is suffering because of the s seventeen and o half percent, the maximum is put on. +anyway, the point is this that i am going to say as far as i'm concerned i'm gonna put all my maximum ability in making sure that this government stands by its obligation which it gave me when i wrote to the prime minister because i was very very concerned that i did not want to see the old people and pensioners who was having difficulty in making ends meet, suffer further and therefore i am with you when it comes to concerning yourself in relation to the o a p's or the pensioners or any one who is suffering because of the s seventeen and o half percent, the maximum is put on. so, i am looking after their interests. -i don't need the chief executive to tell me what's happening because i'm going to be involved in seeing what's happening and as far as the labour people talking about the cost it's going to create. +i don't need the chief executive to tell me what's happening because i'm going to be involved in seeing what's happening and as far as the labour people talking about the cost it's going to create. you never said that when you were creating the cost, the cost of living which was inflation was soaring up to thirty percent, twice as much as what this bloody v a t will introduce. -you were condemned of people then you couldn't care a damn about it cos you couldn't do anything about it because your methods of running a country was a waste of time. +you were condemned of people then you couldn't care a damn about it cos you couldn't do anything about it because your methods of running a country was a waste of time. er, so as far as i'm concerned and i'm sure as far as you're concerned, we are battling this together. -we maybe on different sides, but we want to make sure that the o a p s and the people that do have to er er present th pay these bills, i mean if you consider if you think of calor, calor gas, calor gas, the way that i actually heat my i pay v a t on that, calor gas is is is v a t ed -now, as far as conservatives are concerned, i speak myself and i'm sure everyone here would offer the same sympathy as the the government has promised that they will do something about this. +we maybe on different sides, but we want to make sure that the o a p s and the people that do have to er er present th pay these bills, i mean if you consider if you think of calor, calor gas, calor gas, the way that i actually heat my i pay v a t on that, calor gas is is is v a t ed +now, as far as conservatives are concerned, i speak myself and i'm sure everyone here would offer the same sympathy as the the government has promised that they will do something about this. i promise that i will look into it and can i, can report back to you if you wish me to when it comes out. doctor thank you very much mr chairman. it's qu , it's quite. can we just quieten down a bit please. thank you. -it's quite interesting that er two members of the conservative party have referred to these very high rates of inflation er that happened under a labour government er because they, the, the reason they occurred primarily, if you remember is because in nineteen seventy two oil, oil was three dollars a barrel. +it's quite interesting that er two members of the conservative party have referred to these very high rates of inflation er that happened under a labour government er because they, the, the reason they occurred primarily, if you remember is because in nineteen seventy two oil, oil was three dollars a barrel. in nineteen seventy three it went up to fifteen dollars a barrel and in nineteen seventy nine it went up to thirty dollars a barrel. now that was. - doing something else when i'm doing my own work. okay in the easter holidays @@ -39685,7 +39648,7 @@ bit of an odd word isn't it? mm. you don't have you seen an ox? no. -no you don't you see +no you don't you see them in films about africa or something or i you don't. @@ -39717,7 +39680,7 @@ oh. oxes if you like only you say oxen . mm. okay? -so just learn that to and er keep them happy. +so just learn that to and er keep them happy. right. you won't use it very often. some of these words you're much more likely to use aren't you. @@ -39735,7 +39698,7 @@ mm. is it? do you know how to spell tail? how do you spell that? -t a e l. +t a e l. see there's t a l e oh. like telling a tale. @@ -39745,7 +39708,7 @@ t a e l t a e l? t a i l. oh i l. erm do you know how to spell snail? -mm s n a e l. +mm s n a e l. right okay it's not actually e l it's i l i l but @@ -39758,7 +39721,7 @@ so you've only got a choice of two there. it's not spelling's a bit messy isn't it. it's mm. -there doesn't seem to be any sense to it really but you can try and make a bit of sense out of some of it not all of it but some of it you can make a bit of sense out of it yes. +there doesn't seem to be any sense to it really but you can try and make a bit of sense out of some of it not all of it but some of it you can make a bit of sense out of it yes. whoops . let's see how many words you can think of that have an ail sound in them. a ail like sail @@ -39790,7 +39753,7 @@ we've got the e a l ones like seal which you said mm. squeal plea. erm so that's snail now what o what else could we have what letters could we start with? -erm fail. +erm fail. mm. okay have a guess at that i'm going to put under this column so have guess how to spell it? @@ -39811,7 +39774,7 @@ that's it p a i l when it means a bucket. mm. they went to get a bucket of water or if i said, ooh you're not looking too pale. -you're looking yeah how would you spell that? +you're looking yeah how would you spell that? i'm going to put it under p this column. @@ -39823,18 +39786,18 @@ so you're spotting that pattern. so there is some pattern in this spelling it's awkward it's not as trouble is english is mixed up with bits of all sort of other languages over hundreds of thousands of years. and they've all taken words from different languages and they all spell them different ways. but some of them have got patterns to them and you work them out. -pale erm what else can you think of? +pale erm what else can you think of? how about what's the american word for post they don't say oh we'll put it in the post they say we'll put it in the? mail. in the mail. -and that's m a i l. +and that's m a i l. are you male or female? male. male how do you spell that one? goes in this oh column. -m a l e. +m a l e. that's it m a l e so it's perhaps not a bad idea that we spell it differently cos you can tell which one you're talking about then. whether you're talking about the mail the royal mail the post or whether you're mm. @@ -39857,7 +39820,7 @@ i'm sorry i was late getting but i got held up by another lesson. oh right . very hectic at the moment it's should've normally been dropping off quite a lot this time but oh right. -everybody wants extra lessons for some reason . +everybody wants extra lessons for some reason . oh right i i was just thinking of sort of trying to you know cos he's in his second year now for the mhm. next two years trying to sort of get him to bring himself up a bit you know @@ -39867,11 +39830,11 @@ they automatically go into s f x but apparently there's two different streams th yeah. and i mean i'd love the bluecoat but i mean you've got to be pretty clever for that. but you never you never know . -well he'll have to work very he'll have to do a lot of work +well he'll have to work very he'll have to do a lot of work mm. erm if you want to get into the bluecoat. mm. -erm it's up to you how much whether +erm it's up to you how much whether but there's a few good schools isn't there. you can get interested in it. mm. @@ -39882,7 +39845,7 @@ saint edward's is good or was wasn't it . well i'm i'm a bit biased cos i went there so oh did you? but it is t it is erm very good they've got a very long waiting list i was helping -helping someone with an entrance exam for there and it's very very stiff competition +helping someone with an entrance exam for there and it's very very stiff competition is it yeah. their exam is more or less g c s e for eleven year olds you know really? @@ -39895,7 +39858,7 @@ but it's erm not so much what's in the books as sort of how simon looks at them. and because if you're just looking at every word separately everything lo you've got to learn so many things haven't you if you can pot the patterns and then you can start having a a guess at what it might be and getting it right most of the time and then you gradually learn them as you go along. you can't you can't be expected to learn everything all at once can you? mm. -you've got to people tend to forget that erm things you find easy before you knew how to do them you found them quite hard +you've got to people tend to forget that erm things you find easy before you knew how to do them you found them quite hard yeah of course. and you were probably quite confused and didn't mm. @@ -39903,7 +39866,7 @@ know what was going on until you got it sorted out. right. and got yourself a system and started building on it. this is it yeah. -until it just seems as if it's an impossible task +until it just seems as if it's an impossible task yeah. there's just too much to learn. so you've @@ -39918,13 +39881,13 @@ right he's actually not nine till august so he's one of the young ones in the class mhm. i mean that can have that can sort of -yeah so +yeah so you know contribute isn't it yeah . -yeah it's more difficult to keep up with others if they if they're older and they've been learning this stuff for a lot longer +yeah it's more difficult to keep up with others if they if they're older and they've been learning this stuff for a lot longer yeah. but erm i think he he'll do it alright he'll be able to sort this out. shall i make you a drink would you like a tea or coffee ? -erm er black coffee please +erm er black coffee please black coffee. no no milk no sugar. that'd be wonderful. @@ -39932,16 +39895,16 @@ right. do you want some er juice simon? er n no thank you. no juice do you know how to spell juice? -mm j double o +mm j double o sounds as if it should be double o it's it's j u i c e oh. actually. -one way you can is that a juice bottle over there? -well yeah but i mean i've like you know ones and two and that into it. +one way you can is that a juice bottle over there? +well yeah but i mean i've like you know ones and two and that into it. mhm. and i add them to me colle collection of ones and twos. -okay but you can learn quite a bit you could check any of the food or the drinks that you've got in the house you could at those to see how you spell them can't you. -so you could look on the juice bottle and juice there you think, oh that's how you spell it. +okay but you can learn quite a bit you could check any of the food or the drinks that you've got in the house you could at those to see how you spell them can't you. +so you could look on the juice bottle and juice there you think, oh that's how you spell it. do watch out cos sometimes they put silly spellings on which doesn't help. . okay what else can you think of any more on that erm erm no @@ -39949,15 +39912,15 @@ well we could do female couldn't we. yeah. have a go at that. female? -oh that's just the same with on . +oh that's just the same with on . f e and it's just the same. -yeah +yeah m that's it just f e on the front male. so that's female quite a quite a good word to be able to spell isn't it. especially at your age. mm. -erm how about erm when it's great big little lumps of ice falling down what do you call that ends in ail? -erm erm erm +erm how about erm when it's great big little lumps of ice falling down what do you call that ends in ail? +erm erm erm have you heard of hail stones. oh yeah erm when it hurts your legs . when it's hail. @@ -39975,38 +39938,38 @@ now any any others that you can think of? pail yeah we've done that one . pail good we've got that. thanks very much. -there you go son +there you go son er where do you go if you go to court and they find you guilty?and they lock you up. oh jail. how do you spell that? erm j okay. -a i l. +a i l. that's it. so quite a lot of these you know don't you. -erm what do trains run on? +erm what do trains run on? railway lines. railway lines okay how do you spell rail? i'll leave you two with them if you need me right okay. i'm just in the next room. right. -r r a i l. +r r a i l. that's it. r a i l. so there's quite a few of these that you know as long as you can forget about this thing of wanting to put a e l. mm. -i mean it sounds like maybe it should be that way but we don't spell it like we have the i a l or a l e. -male and sale and sail. +i mean it sounds like maybe it should be that way but we don't spell it like we have the i a l or a l e. +male and sale and sail. you can bet your bottom dollar some teams would go bananas on that! yeah. not half! for the -old ain't it? -it's is it? +old ain't it? +it's is it? hey! watch this! -standards wha , we used to have standards. +standards wha , we used to have standards. oh yeah! mhm. that's not bad! @@ -40021,12 +39984,12 @@ that's like a porsche. oh look at the old indicators! .moggy minor did that to me! yeah -got a little pink +got a little pink aren't they? yeah. must be one of the first ones out. mm. -so didn't have no indicators on its side, just one of the things popped up! +so didn't have no indicators on its side, just one of the things popped up! don't you remember, oh no you don't. no, i don't i was sort of driving along, what? @@ -40038,16 +40001,16 @@ he's driving around without his glasses on! why isn't he tested? fancy having a car for that many years! yeah. -he will though, he'll get more now than what he's paid for it ! +he will though, he'll get more now than what he's paid for it ! yeah. japanese cars, you can stick them! -cheap cars expensive to repair! +cheap cars expensive to repair! they are yeah! well i'm pleased with my citreon. yeah? -the only thing i don't like about it is the fact that it's not a a three litre engine. +the only thing i don't like about it is the fact that it's not a a three litre engine. oh! -but er it does everything i want it to. +but er it does everything i want it to. can't wait to get that sierra! yeah, you've done well with that. yeah. @@ -40057,7 +40020,7 @@ you sure . i watched that once. mind you, it's only five minutes though innit ? ha? -we watched it once didn't we? +we watched it once didn't we? it was on before and i didn't find it very funny at all! no. got that black @@ -40073,32 +40036,32 @@ load of rubbish it were! yeah. watched it for about ten minutes never laughed once! but half of it you couldn't understand could you? -cos they were going off in their like their lingo +cos they were going off in their like their lingo yeah. and he talks like that and sh what the hell are they saying! watched for about ten minutes and turn it over! stuff this! yeah. -yeah, it's erm black boy. +yeah, it's erm black boy. oh! you alright muncher? yeah. nice it was. -always liked food actually it's not very nice! +always liked food actually it's not very nice! i gave him a pizza and then he . didn't you? still eat it! don't you? you alright ? -yeah i'm alright.. +yeah i'm alright.. no, i guess not. no. yeah, he was upside down this morning! -weren't he?the wrong way round in his cot this morning! +weren't he?the wrong way round in his cot this morning! was he? yeah. dunno how he does it. -sleeps on his front now and sleeps all along all ways! +sleeps on his front now and sleeps all along all ways! yeah. he does. that rimmer character's changed a bit. @@ -40106,13 +40069,13 @@ what one? the one with a h on his head. he's a hologram. oh! -if he's a hologram machine he shouldn't need to eat. +if he's a hologram machine he shouldn't need to eat. if he's a hologram he shouldn't need to eat things. where are they then? where's fun in the sun? today? dunno. -er ah excuse me! +er ah excuse me! . oh i've got a right pair here! i really have! @@ -40131,12 +40094,12 @@ have you looked at him this morning? no. no. well he, stayed like that. -head on the head on the mattress and duvet over him! +head on the head on the mattress and duvet over him! yeah? mm. -he takes it with him now, so it's probably good idea actually, take the blanket off. +he takes it with him now, so it's probably good idea actually, take the blanket off. yeah. -just carry the duvet with him it's a good idea! +just carry the duvet with him it's a good idea! warmer now innit? yeah. he was warm before, probably a bit too warm. @@ -40145,7 +40108,7 @@ shall we go upstairs? mhm. how long's it been since you went to sainsbury's? couple of weeks. -get it on did we? +get it on did we? that thing's an old one. still sixty pound? @@ -40156,7 +40119,7 @@ give me the tin . that can be last. same day as the hoover weren't it? yeah. -twenty ninth of er february. +twenty ninth of er february. oh! oh, that's nearly a month! get them. @@ -40174,18 +40137,18 @@ there! oh yeah! oh,for a boy or a girl. oh you're not stupid! -you ought to go in and have a look, you know, cos like love that ! +you ought to go in and have a look, you know, cos like love that ! lovely! really is! really reasonable prices! the only time i can go is a saturday afternoon, but i'm busy this saturday afternoon. yeah. -they got some little shorts, i think i'm gonna get him some. -there's a pair of navy, and a navy striped shorts. +they got some little shorts, i think i'm gonna get him some. +there's a pair of navy, and a navy striped shorts. yeah. i thought well they'd do for him for summer. yeah, would do. -yeah, so gotta do like ju just shorts and a t-shirt to match, and a short and top. +yeah, so gotta do like ju just shorts and a t-shirt to match, and a short and top. yeah. about six quid i think. no. @@ -40205,36 +40168,36 @@ yeah. it was four dollars ninety nine wasn't it? that's right yeah. damn sight cheaper over there live! -like yesterday, i bought that fruit bought the bread that was fiver! +like yesterday, i bought that fruit bought the bread that was fiver! that's where my money goes! i know. yeah well, i think it goes. yeah, oh yeah! -mind you, i did buy a fair bit of vegetables. +mind you, i did buy a fair bit of vegetables. yeah, that's nothing! go. if we have vegetables every day, how long would that last? oh that's a week, and that's it! ridiculous! -that's why we gonna ha , have to buy our own no, grow our own. +that's why we gonna ha , have to buy our own no, grow our own. grow our own. help us out just a wee bit. you can freeze it and all. buy stuff that we can freeze. -you can freeze most vegetables. +you can freeze most vegetables. can you freeze cauli's? yeah. oh , them cauli's were brilliant, those were! yeah and they used to blanch them first. most vegetables you have to blanch first. how do you blanch them? -just put them in boiling water for about thirty seconds. +just put them in boiling water for about thirty seconds. yeah? -yeah, so it's no problem. +yeah, so it's no problem. that garden's gonna be mostly vegetables. i tell you! -yeah, i three pound ten pence or something in the vegetable shop that was er two pound forty for a cauli cabbage and er carrots. +yeah, i three pound ten pence or something in the vegetable shop that was er two pound forty for a cauli cabbage and er carrots. that's all i bought weren't it? that's two pound forty! that's a lot of money! @@ -40246,17 +40209,17 @@ it's not fair! really. it's a big one. fifty eight, i think it were. -the cabbage was about the same er, about fifty i think. -the carrots a couple of pound there, they were expensive! -about a quid i think they cost! +the cabbage was about the same er, about fifty i think. +the carrots a couple of pound there, they were expensive! +about a quid i think they cost! that was expensive! -yeah well they're bigger carrots. +yeah well they're bigger carrots. must be a couple of pound for them. mm. look at the size of these! aha! well! -i can't out, out the money out of t s b. . +i can't out, out the money out of t s b. . for when? today. on what? @@ -40267,7 +40230,7 @@ got one upstairs. yeah. but i need to make three pound, cos i owe anne a bit of money don't i? how much do you owe her? -the lemonade er pay the milk man. +the lemonade er pay the milk man. i'll tell him to come back next week. tell him to come back next week. so why can't i have the money? @@ -40276,13 +40239,13 @@ you can take it out of my wages! cos i don't want to go into the t s b! why? well, i'm trying to clear it! -yeah well i'll give you th , you can take the money out of the money you're gonna give me next week. +yeah well i'll give you th , you can take the money out of the money you're gonna give me next week. if you're gonna give me any money are you? don't know! and you can do it tha , when i get my family allowance, you can have that! my dole cheque as well! alright! -alright, you had your moan at me last time melvin the pure fact that i hadn't put the money in +alright, you had your moan at me last time melvin the pure fact that i hadn't put the money in yeah, i know! to help! i know! @@ -40299,7 +40262,7 @@ but i shouldn't done! i know! if you'd of left that fiver here, you would of had enough money for the milk! yeah, but i wouldn't of had enough money for anne! -oh ha ! +oh ha ! would i? no. so how much did you spend saturday night? @@ -40317,12 +40280,12 @@ yeah, twenty quid, and what was that for, for bloody wallpaper! not all of it! most of it! stop arguing will you! -well, it's the way you, don't want me to have any money! +well, it's the way you, don't want me to have any money! moan, moan, moan! well you can have the money when you want, i can't! i don't have money every time i want it! all my bloody money! -you everybody else ! +you everybody else ! where do you think my money goes? you spend the lot on yourself ! like what? @@ -40336,9 +40299,9 @@ i see you alright, you know that! alright, you can have fucking newspaper to wipe your arse with! you can! i wouldn't mind if i went out and spent it on myself, but i didn't! -i don't spend everything single thing on myself! +i don't spend everything single thing on myself! i'm not saying you do, but i haven't spent a penny on myself! -it's all fo food or peter or the house or something else! +it's all fo food or peter or the house or something else! how do you think i feel when i bring home three hundred a twenty quid a week, and all of it goes on fucking bills! but it doesn't all go on bills though does it? most of it does! @@ -40348,9 +40311,9 @@ you took the responsibility on . yes i know i've got the responsibility, but i'm not moaning about it! aha! not many! -yeah, i don't when we have to pay fifty pound a month poll tax! +yeah, i don't when we have to pay fifty pound a month poll tax! got a fifty odd pound electric bill! -what do you mean, you sit there and that's all i get for about two hours is a load of bloody shit that you go work, you do this to spend it all on bills! +what do you mean, you sit there and that's all i get for about two hours is a load of bloody shit that you go work, you do this to spend it all on bills! gotta pay it! oh shi , oh well just go and then you won't have to pay, you wouldn't have the bloody worry of it would you? if i could go to bloody work, i would! @@ -40383,14 +40346,14 @@ don't be a pain in the neck,! that urgh! you're not having, you're not having this out ben! go and play with something there. -makes me laugh is, that you get all these toys for children, sort of, nought to three months -and erm, i mean his cousins, what are they, five and six? +makes me laugh is, that you get all these toys for children, sort of, nought to three months +and erm, i mean his cousins, what are they, five and six? and they'll sit and they'll play for hours with them! and they're kids toys! come on then! -sho , show her that bed show her your bedroom ay? +sho , show her that bed show her your bedroom ay? come here! -you going . +you going . no. oh you got one, i had one of those, exactly the same! what the doll? @@ -40400,42 +40363,42 @@ well i got it, i just bought it back when we went to russia. i dunno where my came from! i know a relative . yeah, got it from russia though. -i told them that the rain comes in and everything! +i told them that the rain comes in and everything! so they shut up! they come and planed some more off! and now there's su , there's such a gap a blooming draft comes in hello! and ! -i had to throw throw a bucket of water at the door to show them. +i had to throw throw a bucket of water at the door to show them. yeah. -i stood there with a mop at the side, and he sort of looked at me and all the water the came in! +i stood there with a mop at the side, and he sort of looked at me and all the water the came in! i said there you are, you see! oh i don't mind, yeah but . -on ours, we got plastic there i just got +on ours, we got plastic there i just got yeyyyy ! -can't +can't mummy ! mummy ! ah ! don't put them down. yeah. -so the painting outside,. +so the painting outside,. you know, it's all too much! -down there down . +down there down . and all round there, there! wants it! wants it! terrible!. -mm no doubt we'll see! -yeah, there's lots which is up there. -and then . +mm no doubt we'll see! +yeah, there's lots which is up there. +and then . very hard work isn't it? -this could be is it, meals on wheels? +this could be is it, meals on wheels? all you gotta do is turn the oven on to heat the meals up. have you heard of that? all clean! -they've been trying to get him out for years and years! +they've been trying to get him out for years and years! honestly! and then he got so bad, that he had to go in for . yeah. @@ -40446,23 +40409,22 @@ i don't know why they don't clear out all the very old ones and then put some pe they've tried! they try and prolong this for ages! there's . -there's a woman down there she's got a, this two bedroom place her son's gone to canada. +there's a woman down there she's got a, this two bedroom place her son's gone to canada. he only found out he had few months to live! two months later he died! he was riddled with it! he went - -they will need teachers' and if you can bear that one in mind. -erm i've got an information pack here which i'll hand out at the end of the session and it's got sort of four fairly erm useful leaflets in it. -one's a general superannuation. -er there's one that talks about about age inherited benefits. -and one that talks about pensions and other dependants and then there's a leaflet erm which gives you certain facts about re-employment after retirement. -if you'd like to take those away with you will actually erm reinforce some of the things that i'm going to say during the next hour. -so as far as the actual topics i'm going to cover are concerned, erm can everybody see . +they will need teachers' and if you can bear that one in mind. +erm i've got an information pack here which i'll hand out at the end of the session and it's got sort of four fairly erm useful leaflets in it. +one's a general superannuation. +er there's one that talks about about age inherited benefits. +and one that talks about pensions and other dependants and then there's a leaflet erm which gives you certain facts about re-employment after retirement. +if you'd like to take those away with you will actually erm reinforce some of the things that i'm going to say during the next hour. +so as far as the actual topics i'm going to cover are concerned, erm can everybody see . turn the lights off shall we? erm talking about the various types of pension that are available under the teachers' scheme. erm a little bit about contributions and additional contributions and the actual benefits that are available and . -could i ask that we take any questions at the end of session. +could i ask that we take any questions at the end of session. so the actual types of pension and the applications of them. er there's normal age retirement, premature retirement, and and premature retirement with redundancy two or three really you know can go together. and then there is the infirmity pension. @@ -40470,15 +40432,15 @@ as far as the normal age retirement goes. erm this is available to teachers and lecturers erm at the age of sixty. because you can remain in service until the age of sixty five, if you so choose erm and draw your pension, you do actually have to apply for normal age retirement. er because if you don't actually make out formal applications, you know come your retirement nothing will happen. -it's not actually automatic because you can stay in for those extra up up to five years if you so choose. +it's not actually automatic because you can stay in for those extra up up to five years if you so choose. erm the actual there's a pension and a lump sum payable and this is based on your total amount of pensionable service. that's really service on which teaching service on which you have paid contributions. it also includes erm reckonable service which is is service other than teaching that you may have transferred into the scheme. -so things like erm service from another superannuation scheme or if somebody's been paying you know extra contributions to actually boost your pension lump sum, that is actually reckonable service. +so things like erm service from another superannuation scheme or if somebody's been paying you know extra contributions to actually boost your pension lump sum, that is actually reckonable service. but it all counts at the end of the day in in calculating your pension and lump sum. erm so to actually make application for the pension you need to apply to the education personnel group erm and you'll need a an application form fourteen a pen. once you actually receive a copy of this it's in two parts. -the first part you need to complete, part a and this has got your personal details bank details it asks about your family details for family benefits and it asks if you are in receipt of any other oth other pensions . +the first part you need to complete, part a and this has got your personal details bank details it asks about your family details for family benefits and it asks if you are in receipt of any other oth other pensions . erm asks for an indication of whether you are likely to be taking up teaching service after retirement. and and having completed that, you send it back to the personnel group at county hall. we will then complete part b which gives the teachers pensions agency details of your actual service and salary since the last annual return. @@ -40486,30 +40448,30 @@ that's an exercise that we complete each year actually updating the teachers pen so we complete that information, er tell them when you are actually finishing teaching er i e the last day you'll actually be, your last day of actual teaching and the last day to which salary will be paid. and we then return that to the teachers pensions agency in darlington. as far as these forms are concerned erm it it's best to complete them about four months before your actual retirement date. -er in the summer term particularly, at the end of the summer term those retirements thirty first of august because as you can appreciate they are sort of inundated applications at the end of the academic year. +er in the summer term particularly, at the end of the summer term those retirements thirty first of august because as you can appreciate they are sort of inundated applications at the end of the academic year. so you know the sooner it can be sort of processed, the sooner they can actually get working on it. the d e s actually calculate your pension, they authorize payments by the paymaster general's office and er notify notify you of your actual benefits that are due. usually about two to three weeks before the actual time and date. that's normal age retirement. er premature retirement. this is available to people age fifty or over with the er necessary amount of qualifying service which is generally two years. -erm and it's available to those people whose employment ceases in the interest of the functions. +erm and it's available to those people whose employment ceases in the interest of the functions. again there's a pension and a lump sum payable and there is also the possibility of enhancement. the enhancement is entirely discretionary. -if erm if there is enhancement payable erm that part of the pension will ultimately be paid by county council by the county council. +if erm if there is enhancement payable erm that part of the pension will ultimately be paid by county council by the county council. so it will be quite separate from the amounts of money that you are receiving from the erm paymaster general's office. applications for premature retirement erm they're dealt with slightly differently in the sense that once an application's actually approved, you will be issued with this with this form or a similar form to this one. so if somebody is offered premature retirement and they accept the offer, that form's automatically sent to you you don't actually need to apply. and that's really because it's it's erm you know it's for people under the age of of sixty. -the redundancy erm if somebody leaves under redundancy situation then there is an additional payment of redundancy payment payable. -erm again for those people have to be ov over fifty years of age and we operate in the maximum enhancement er provision. +the redundancy erm if somebody leaves under redundancy situation then there is an additional payment of redundancy payment payable. +erm again for those people have to be ov over fifty years of age and we operate in the maximum enhancement er provision. which can be up to ten years, providing that doesn't take your service over forty years at the age of sixty or over what you would have attained had you remained in service until the age of sixty five. ten years enhancement in redundancy cases. erm and the difference between premature retirement and redundancy basically is you do receive this additional one off redundancy payment. that's a tax free payment . -in erm these are available to teachers who are under the age of sixty whose erm . +in erm these are available to teachers who are under the age of sixty whose erm . to the extent that they can no longer satisfactorily perform their duties. -erm if anybody is actually interested in could i actually refer you to somebody in the personnel group erm lynne . +erm if anybody is actually interested in could i actually refer you to somebody in the personnel group erm lynne . lynne can actually give you you know more detailed information on infirmity allowances. basically you do see enhancement in these cases. erm it's an automatic enhancement and it depends on your actual length of service and you know when you actually apply for the for the infirmity allowance. @@ -40525,16 +40487,16 @@ up to sixty. sixty. anything else?erm contributions and additional contributions. you you actually contribute six percent of your salary and you know that's that's the sort of basic contribution. -er the pay eight point nought five percent so that's a total contribution of fourteen point o five percent to the er scheme. +er the pay eight point nought five percent so that's a total contribution of fourteen point o five percent to the er scheme. the index linking of teachers' pensions is actually that's actually met by the government and not the teachers' superannuation fund. -you can there are various ways of actually increasing erm your pension by paying additional contributions. +you can there are various ways of actually increasing erm your pension by paying additional contributions. erm you know if you are short on service or you actually want to top up erm your total pension for service at the end of the day. and there are basically three ways of doing it. erm there's a . -there are additional contributions with the prudential and you could if you if you wanted you could also pay free standing a b cs through erm a company of your own choosing. -in total you cannot actually pay more than fifteen percent of salary to erm these well to contributions so in effect you you're already paying six percent as your basic contribution so the maximum you could pay on any of these schemes is a further nine percent. +there are additional contributions with the prudential and you could if you if you wanted you could also pay free standing a b cs through erm a company of your own choosing. +in total you cannot actually pay more than fifteen percent of salary to erm these well to contributions so in effect you you're already paying six percent as your basic contribution so the maximum you could pay on any of these schemes is a further nine percent. erm but you know they are the actual inland revenue . -as far as years are concerned erm it's actually a scheme which allows you to gaps in your career. +as far as years are concerned erm it's actually a scheme which allows you to gaps in your career. it's quite a costly scheme because you're actually paying both the employer's and the employee's contributions. erm but if somebody has had a gap for whatever reason, it is often the only method of actually covering it if you want to do something that involves the teachers' superannuation scheme. and the cost of what you're actually buying back, the service you're buying back is basically governed by your age and your salary and the amount of time you want to buy back. @@ -40543,7 +40505,7 @@ by monthly instalments or by lump sums. erm anybody who's who's interested erm if you'd like to ask for a leaflet aft at the end of the session because the main thing is that you do have to take advantage of this while you are still employed in reckonable service. erm so you have to do something now before you actually retire. having bought back the service then erm that is what i referred to earlier as reckonable service. -you to buy back however many years you buy back will count in your pension and lump sum calculation at the end of the day. +you to buy back however many years you buy back will count in your pension and lump sum calculation at the end of the day. something that's not actually mention there is withdrawn contributions. if i can just briefly mention them. erm @@ -40551,25 +40513,25 @@ first of june nineteen seventy three, can actually be repaid providing you are s erm and the amount that you repay is the amount that you withdrew er plus compound interest at three percent per annum, so it's actually a much cheaper method covering covering that service. but it's only available if your contributions were withdrawn before the first of june nineteen seventy three. has anybody actually taken advantage of that? -yeah i mean what you actually well you'll find that what you repay erm you know that the benefits you receive in your pension lump sum will far outweigh the cost of repaying those contributions. +yeah i mean what you actually well you'll find that what you repay erm you know that the benefits you receive in your pension lump sum will far outweigh the cost of repaying those contributions. so if anybody you know did that and hasn't yet repaid them i would strongly advise you to do that. -but it's only available for contributions that were withdrawn before the first of june nineteen seventy three and you know if you didn't meet that particular date then the only other way of of covering gaps is which is far more expensive. -erm it actually talks in this fourteen a pen makes reference to the fact that the approximate cost of one year to buy it back it would add twenty under a years arrangement. +but it's only available for contributions that were withdrawn before the first of june nineteen seventy three and you know if you didn't meet that particular date then the only other way of of covering gaps is which is far more expensive. +erm it actually talks in this fourteen a pen makes reference to the fact that the approximate cost of one year to buy it back it would add twenty under a years arrangement. twenty percent of your current salary. -additional voluntary contributions with prudential erm since about nineteen eighty eight the prudential erm entered into a scheme with the teachers pensions agency er whereby you can actually er pay additional contributions to the prudential. -they invest them in various ways and at the end of the day you can use that erm policy to actually top up your pension or provide for increased family benefits and because it's a the administration costs er costs are sort of less than than you get with erm you know sort of taking out a policy with an individual company, on a one off basis. +additional voluntary contributions with prudential erm since about nineteen eighty eight the prudential erm entered into a scheme with the teachers pensions agency er whereby you can actually er pay additional contributions to the prudential. +they invest them in various ways and at the end of the day you can use that erm policy to actually top up your pension or provide for increased family benefits and because it's a the administration costs er costs are sort of less than than you get with erm you know sort of taking out a policy with an individual company, on a one off basis. so it's erm the deductions are actually made from you know through the county council payroll er each month. -and you receive an annual statement erm and at the end of ea end of period or when you a are actually retiring then you will be contacted and you'll receive you know sort of guidance on how to that money. +and you receive an annual statement erm and at the end of ea end of period or when you a are actually retiring then you will be contacted and you'll receive you know sort of guidance on how to that money. circumstances at the time. the third option of paying extra contributions is free standing a b cs. -erm you know that's that's taking out er a private policy. +erm you know that's that's taking out er a private policy. a policy with the sort of company of your own choosing. erm which er the teachers pensions agency or the county council will have no involvement in at all. entirely up to yourself to actually make provision to erm increase you know your own pension. -if anybody does want further information on a b cs erm in the booklet in the information pack, the your pension booklet, it's it's actually handled through the prudential the office in reading but there is the address is given in booklet. +if anybody does want further information on a b cs erm in the booklet in the information pack, the your pension booklet, it's it's actually handled through the prudential the office in reading but there is the address is given in booklet. any questions about yes i have got one. -w with regard to the a b c erm conflicting advice from two sources. +w with regard to the a b c erm conflicting advice from two sources. erm the gist of it is that the money from the a b c er i you're not allowed to go over your forty eightieths of your pension with it. now i is that right or wrong? it's probably right but it doesn't actually count in that calculation it's something quite separate. @@ -40577,8 +40539,8 @@ you know the money that that you're paying in a b cs isn't classed at the end of it's a separate facility. yeah. so -but the money coming in from that a b c erm it was somebody from grimsby who got into terrible trouble not not problems really with the t p a. -erm having made these contributions erm he got a note to the effect from the t p a that erm some of the money that he paid in to the a b c had to be repaid to him as a lump sum because the money coming from that sum would have taken his pension over the forty eightieths. +but the money coming in from that a b c erm it was somebody from grimsby who got into terrible trouble not not problems really with the t p a. +erm having made these contributions erm he got a note to the effect from the t p a that erm some of the money that he paid in to the a b c had to be repaid to him as a lump sum because the money coming from that sum would have taken his pension over the forty eightieths. and the t p a for some reason weren't very happy about this so they re actually returned a lump sum to him. yes yes. so he paid the a b c, went early as a result of ill health er but got a lump sum back cos he wasn't allowed to go across this. @@ -40586,8 +40548,8 @@ now from the prudential erm an entirely different picture. you know you're allowed to go up to nine percent as you say and you just pay as many years as you like. mm. i mean we don't actually get that involved apart from the fact that we did originally have a leaflet. -i know actually only prudential they are leading a campaign round schools i believe erm you know trying to get more teachers interested in a b cs. -erm but i mean we do have erm a session with them and and really all the information we gave was very sort of basic understanding. +i know actually only prudential they are leading a campaign round schools i believe erm you know trying to get more teachers interested in a b cs. +erm but i mean we do have erm a session with them and and really all the information we gave was very sort of basic understanding. i think that one would probably need to be clarified directly with them okay yeah thank you very much. may i say sandra i think this is probably an inland revenue ruling. @@ -40600,14 +40562,14 @@ right. so you're i'm i feel sure that it it is so. that you're limited to forty eightieths. or if you're with another body that's agreed er seventy five er eightieths or whatever -yeah +yeah then you would be limited to that . you've actually got somebody form the inland revenue haven't you? yes. during the next three days. right. well i am here yes but er er not an expert. -no i think it is the basic part of he agreement setting up the original superannuation scheme. +no i think it is the basic part of he agreement setting up the original superannuation scheme. that all cont all er payments would be limited to forty eightieths. although i've never i've not met this element before it's rather interesting. i was not aware that they were @@ -40620,46 +40582,46 @@ she would need to contact the teachers pensions agency right. in darlington. and -yeah how +yeah how the address is the back of can you make erm a b c contributions for past years? -well i suppose you could erm i suspect it would be cheaper than but it wouldn't actually increase your pension per se at the end of the day because it's as i said it's a separate you know it's a separate sort of erm income to your pension lump sum. +well i suppose you could erm i suspect it would be cheaper than but it wouldn't actually increase your pension per se at the end of the day because it's as i said it's a separate you know it's a separate sort of erm income to your pension lump sum. yeah. -but i mean if you had a gap you i suppose you could probably compare the the difference between and a b cs. +but i mean if you had a gap you i suppose you could probably compare the the difference between and a b cs. haven't got any but i understand there are tax advantages -well yeah the tax is erm deducted at source if you like you know before +well yeah the tax is erm deducted at source if you like you know before this is as opposed to a lump sum. yeah. yes. because if you pay -i think you'd really have to you'd probably need to look at the booklet and then speak to erm one of the prudential people about you know the amount of time you were considering paying contributions and the probably just weigh up the benefits of of each scheme. +i think you'd really have to you'd probably need to look at the booklet and then speak to erm one of the prudential people about you know the amount of time you were considering paying contributions and the probably just weigh up the benefits of of each scheme. right. the tax advantage is that if it's a b cs by deduction you get tax relief, if it's by lump sum you don't. anything else?erm the actual pension benefits that are payable. as i said earlier the the pension is based on your total amount of pensionable service and that's teaching service on which you paid contributions. -so erm if you haven't opted out of the scheme er full time service, part time service if a teacher had elected to the part time scheme, and a supply supply teacher if a teacher had elected to the part time scheme. +so erm if you haven't opted out of the scheme er full time service, part time service if a teacher had elected to the part time scheme, and a supply supply teacher if a teacher had elected to the part time scheme. erm and any other service reckonable service that counts in that calculation. er for example erm any service that has been transferred in from another scheme. you know if you were previously in the civil service or some other private scheme which is transferable into the teachers' scheme. that all counts at the end of the day in your pension and lump sum calculation. er normally as i said earlier payable at the age of sixty erm and the benefits are based on average salary which is the best three hundred and sixty five days out of the last ten ninety five so it's the best year out of the last three years salary. for the average salary. -erm time of your actual service and all of your service is aggregated over you know over your career. -so if you do have some breaks erm subsequent service is added on to that. -so at the end of the day you'll get a total amount of er years and days times the average salary and that divided by eighty. +erm time of your actual service and all of your service is aggregated over you know over your career. +so if you do have some breaks erm subsequent service is added on to that. +so at the end of the day you'll get a total amount of er years and days times the average salary and that divided by eighty. in your lump sum you've normally er three times the pension. -where it will differ is if anybody has any service before the thirtieth of september nineteen fifty six for that part of the lump sum the calculation is based on erm is based on a sorry oh one thirtieth of each year. +where it will differ is if anybody has any service before the thirtieth of september nineteen fifty six for that part of the lump sum the calculation is based on erm is based on a sorry oh one thirtieth of each year. sorry about that. erm whereas under this post thirty nine sixty six service is based on three eightieths of each year. so it does make a slight difference to the erm the lump sum. but generally speaking it's three times the pension. the lump sum is a tax free payment. the erm pension is taxable as earned income. -any absences that you've had erm for sickness full or half pay actually count in full for in these calculations as do erm any maternity leave absence you know providing you were actually receiving pay that's half pay or more then those absences count as if they haven't actually occurred. +any absences that you've had erm for sickness full or half pay actually count in full for in these calculations as do erm any maternity leave absence you know providing you were actually receiving pay that's half pay or more then those absences count as if they haven't actually occurred. that's just an illustration. -erm thirty three years and a hundred and fifty days service. -you know are worked through and and in that particular case all the service is actually september ninety fifty six. -and you actually find the lump sum is times the annual pension. +erm thirty three years and a hundred and fifty days service. +you know are worked through and and in that particular case all the service is actually september ninety fifty six. +and you actually find the lump sum is times the annual pension. the pensions are actually paid monthly and the payment date actually coincides with the day of the month in which you're actually born. and the lump sum will be paid immediately after you finish teaching. so for example if you finish on the thirty first of august, on the first of september the lump sum should be paid into your account. @@ -40670,10 +40632,10 @@ when does it start? i heard you mention the day you were yeah that's when it's actually paid. the actual payment date. -so i mean if you were to finish on the thirty first of august then on the first of september. -but if you for example you're born on the sixteenth of the month then that's generally when it would be paid on the sixteenth. +so i mean if you were to finish on the thirty first of august then on the first of september. +but if you for example you're born on the sixteenth of the month then that's generally when it would be paid on the sixteenth. the actual monthly pension the the lump sum would be paid on the first of september. -the enhancement from the does that +the enhancement from the does that no in the case of a premature retirement where there is enhancement erm that's actually payable on the last banking day of the month so that will tend to be anything from the twenty eighth to the thirty first. so that's that's always at the end of the month. you may obviously you're going to have two payments coming in but you may well find that you know they're no longer on the same sort of day. @@ -40682,7 +40644,7 @@ yes. that will from the authority the part that the authority pay, when is that when will that be paid in? you've said that the erm pension -t p a will pay the the large part on the first of september got that. +t p a will pay the the large part on the first of september got that. now when will the part that the authority pay for the lump sum come in, will that be at the end of august or the beginning of sept or the end of september . it should be at the beginning of september. right. @@ -40702,9 +40664,9 @@ thank you. erm about income tax are they all taxed at source or do we have to do that separately. i think they're actually taxed at source. but -the the payments sorry i wasn't i was just thinking. +the the payments sorry i wasn't i was just thinking. right. -yes they're dealt with same way there's hardly any break between payment of salaries and onto superannuation. +yes they're dealt with same way there's hardly any break between payment of salaries and onto superannuation. there's usually a change of paying departments not always but you'll find no no break apart from er the lessening of income. entirely as as you mentioned it's regarded as earned income. so it's it's taxed at source. @@ -40719,8 +40681,8 @@ do do the other authorities pick up that automatically? i don't know what would happen. the answer must be that somebody will pay. well presumably -it's called the unitary authority the new one would be and i think suggestion is that the city would go separate as opposed to the county. -the pensions are index linked erm to take account of cost of living. +it's called the unitary authority the new one would be and i think suggestion is that the city would go separate as opposed to the county. +the pensions are index linked erm to take account of cost of living. increases are applied erm in april each year. eligibility for such increases if somebody takes premature retirement and they're actually below the age of fifty five the increases don't apply until you attain you fifty fifth birthday. at that point your pension will be brought up to date and you would see an increase then and annually thereafter. @@ -40735,26 +40697,26 @@ if you if you under the age of fifty five. yeah. erm can i move on to family benefits now a word about family benefits. -er the teachers' superannuation scheme the payment of erm widows widowers and children's pensions. -erm and there are basically a short term pension is available. +er the teachers' superannuation scheme the payment of erm widows widowers and children's pensions. +erm and there are basically a short term pension is available. long term pensions for widows widowers and children. there are also dependants' pensions. and erm a payment which is known as the death grant. -so if a teacher actually dies in service you know whilst you are still employed in service er first of all actually be a death grant payable. +so if a teacher actually dies in service you know whilst you are still employed in service er first of all actually be a death grant payable. erm there are various calculations for this but it's it's going to actually be at least one year's average salary. there would also be a short term pension payable er and this would be paid for three months at the rate of your pension or pay at the time of death. and that's paid erm to your spouse to you know to keep things sort of flowing if you like while the long term pension is sorted out. so at least there's income coming in for three months at the rate of your salary. -thereafter long term pensions they are payable erm at whatever rate you provided for. -so if all your service counted benefits the long term pension would actually be half your pension. +thereafter long term pensions they are payable erm at whatever rate you provided for. +so if all your service counted benefits the long term pension would actually be half your pension. for the married men all service from the first of april nineteen seventy two counts erm for family benefits. before that you had the option of paying additional contributions to cover previous service so you will no doubt know if you actually took took up that option. if you did then the chances are that all your service will count for family benefits. -er for the married married women erm, only service for the sixth of april nineteen eighty eight counts. +er for the married married women erm, only service for the sixth of april nineteen eighty eight counts. so when that provision was introduced, you too had the option of paying additional contributions to cover previous service. -erm obviously if you didn't, then the widower's pension will be quite a bit less cos we're only talking about from nineteen eighty eight. +erm obviously if you didn't, then the widower's pension will be quite a bit less cos we're only talking about from nineteen eighty eight. erm children's pensions they would be half the widow's or widower's pension and they're payable for dependant children up to the age of seventeen and for children who are in full time erm higher education and for one child the payment would be actually half the widow's or the widower's pension. -if there were two or more children, then you would actually receive erm twice that amount so you'd receive half the pension. +if there were two or more children, then you would actually receive erm twice that amount so you'd receive half the pension. so if you like the that pension plus the the widow's or widower's would equate to your pension. dependants' pensions, it's possible for er single people to actually nominate a financially dependant close relative to receive erm pension benefits in the event of your death. you do actually have to make these nominations whilst you're employed in pensionable service. @@ -40768,23 +40730,23 @@ i'm i don't know precisely. it's it's quite a quite a while. quite a few years. am i right, for any of these er nominations, you have to set aside part of the pension you would normally receive so that you actually receive a lower pension because you are making this provision. -erm i think that's possibly a term called allocation. +erm i think that's possibly a term called allocation. where you can actually allocate part of your pension and to your spouse up to up to a third actually . yeah. erm to increase their benefits . mm. -erm so so that is possible it it actually does mention on the fourteen pen it does erm where you can surrender part of your pension to provide a a pension for your spouse or dependant after death. +erm so so that is possible it it actually does mention on the fourteen pen it does erm where you can surrender part of your pension to provide a a pension for your spouse or dependant after death. so you can allocate up to a third. the thing is having done that erm if circumstances change you couldn't actually you can no longer access that amount . . -also am i right, the person in the provision has to be +also am i right, the person in the provision has to be yes it does, it's if anybody's interested in that provision, the allocation provision you do need to er to write to the teachers' pensions agency. explaining that you know you either want further information on it or you would like to erm you know take that one up. -the same provision applies i mean if you allocated s so much of your pension and that person died then there's no way you can actually access that amount that you've allocated. +the same provision applies i mean if you allocated s so much of your pension and that person died then there's no way you can actually access that amount that you've allocated. it's once you've allocated it it's erm you know it's actually gone from your from your calculation. so it's a risk you have to calculate. yeah i suppose it is. -erm i know one of the erm one of bernard's colleagues doe say that it's erm it's i suppose it depends on your individual circumstances. +erm i know one of the erm one of bernard's colleagues doe say that it's erm it's i suppose it depends on your individual circumstances. i suppose you've got to weigh up sot of various . any further questions there about er the benefits if you were actually to you know if you were to die whilst employed in reckonable service? the family benefits that would be payable when a pensioner dies,very much mirrors erm those that would be payable if you were to die whilst employed in pensionable service. @@ -40799,15 +40761,15 @@ as far as the death grant goes, erm for a pensioner that would only be payable e so if you're knocked down by a bus, that doesn't count. if you had an accident and you died as a result i mean it's got to be some some illness i suppose that -so so apart from the death grant erm the other the short term and long term pensions tend to mirror erm you know what would be payable should you actually die in service. +so so apart from the death grant erm the other the short term and long term pensions tend to mirror erm you know what would be payable should you actually die in service. you said children would receive it if they were still in full time education, higher education h higher education. -did you say higher ? +did you say higher ? mm. -so +so well in full time education yes. so even though they could be sort of twenty five? -yes i mean we had a case recently i think the son was twenty four all these perpetual students. +yes i mean we had a case recently i think the son was twenty four all these perpetual students. would that apply if they'd been independent but gone back into it? that's what my son's doing. yeah. @@ -40816,9 +40778,9 @@ i i suspect it would. mm. right. you know if if they were if they were in erm in full-time education at the time . -it would depend on was claiming the grant and or whether he was claiming the grant in his own right. +it would depend on was claiming the grant and or whether he was claiming the grant in his own right. if he was claiming a grant in his own right he would be classed as independent. -if he was claiming a grant in yours, i did i claimed when i went back to college,my twenties i actually claimed a grant but my father claimed income tax relief claimed under him . +if he was claiming a grant in yours, i did i claimed when i went back to college,my twenties i actually claimed a grant but my father claimed income tax relief claimed under him . but if you claim it in your own right you'll be classed as independent, no longer dependant on you therefore you he isn't your dependant any longer. that i'll check i'll check that one out. mm. @@ -40827,17 +40789,17 @@ can i make it quite crystal clear to my own mind, long term pension benefits it it isn't in addition to the pension you're getting, you have to be willing to give up part of your own pension in advance. i think that's that's what i understand as allocation . mm. -dependant's pension is when you nominate a dependant person to receive benefits in the event of your death. +dependant's pension is when you nominate a dependant person to receive benefits in the event of your death. but which is quite separate to allocation. -so you don't have to surrender part of your pension with in mind. +so you don't have to surrender part of your pension with in mind. dependant's pension no no. -no you're entitled to that you know that's the if you have actually nominated somebody and that nomination has been accepted by the teachers' pensions agency. +no you're entitled to that you know that's the if you have actually nominated somebody and that nomination has been accepted by the teachers' pensions agency. but you you wouldn't be able to nominate your wife as a dependant. they would automatically say forget it. erm it's a they talk here about nominating a parent, a brother or sister, or a widow's step-parents. unless the benefits would actually automatically pass to your parents. -erm any further questions on family benefits? +erm any further questions on family benefits? presumably if spouse has died, can i move on now to re-employment. er re-employment after retirement and the effects on your pension. @@ -40851,7 +40813,7 @@ so if you become re-employed after retirement in a post which is outside of the also if you do any full or part time lecturing in university, that will not affect your re-employment earnings. but a former polytechnic, for example nottingham trent university, any work there would affect your pension. so full or part time work in university excluding the former polytechnics, have no effect on your pension. -the reason for that i understand is that erm the sort of former universities, it's something to do with the superannuation scheme quite separate so it's all sort of based on their superannuation schemes. +the reason for that i understand is that erm the sort of former universities, it's something to do with the superannuation scheme quite separate so it's all sort of based on their superannuation schemes. erm as far as teaching employment goes, full or part time teaching, supply teaching in erm a local authority school, or in independent schools which participate in a teachers superannuation scheme, will actually have an effect on your pension. now as far as actually calculating what effect, the re-employment earnings will have on your pension, er basically your pension and your reemployment earnings cannot exceed your salary reference. and the salary reference is the highest salary rate you've actually received during the last three years. @@ -40869,14 +40831,14 @@ for example you know where you're going to be working and what the rate of salar how much you know you're expecting to do, part time, full time etcetera. erm and we find in the office that we get lots of forms coming in from the paymaster general asking us to confirm that mister x is employed you know on a on a part time basis. erm now we advise you to fill that in once you do return to work because at least then they can let you know if you are going to exceed the limit. -you know if you didn't fill it in, they would act actually catch up with you at some stage and you may erm if you had exceeded the limit be erm you know you may be issued with a demand for a cheque for x for x number of pounds for overpayment of pension. +you know if you didn't fill it in, they would act actually catch up with you at some stage and you may erm if you had exceeded the limit be erm you know you may be issued with a demand for a cheque for x for x number of pounds for overpayment of pension. so i would advise you to you know complete that form at the outset really just for your for your own sake. -if you'd like to know specifically how much you personally can earn, without affecting your pension i would also suggest that you actually write to the paymaster general's office will work out the amounts erm you know the figure that you've got based on your particular circumstances. -in cases of ill health, re-employment after ill health retirement, erm you cannot return to work until you have been medically cleared. +if you'd like to know specifically how much you personally can earn, without affecting your pension i would also suggest that you actually write to the paymaster general's office will work out the amounts erm you know the figure that you've got based on your particular circumstances. +in cases of ill health, re-employment after ill health retirement, erm you cannot return to work until you have been medically cleared. you know be medically fit to return. er the same sort of provi provisions apply. the only difference is, that erm if you return to work in a part time capacity, and it amounts to half time or more, then you will subsequently be asked to undergo a medical examination. -and if it's determined that you are to return to work then your pension would actually will cease. +and if it's determined that you are to return to work then your pension would actually will cease. so i think that's you know that's an important fact for anybody who is taking ill health retirement. but erm you know they do sort of keep a close eye on what they're working unless of course they they are hoping to erm for their health to improve and to be able to return to full time teaching ultimately. but you know they they really need to watch how much part time work they are doing because it could mean that their pension will be suspended if they did work too much. @@ -40885,9 +40847,9 @@ er the other thing is if anybody's taking premature retirement, you should also but the superannuation section at treasurers would actually work work that one out. erm again i i wouldn't have thought that you know odd days here and there would have any effect but if if it's going to more long term and the you know the amount increases then it could have an effect on your premature retirement compensation. any questions then? -what happens on the you may not be employed ? +what happens on the you may not be employed ? erm the teachers' pensions agen agency's currently reviewing erm the work that can affect pensions. -and i've had some conflicting information recently because, not very long ago they did say that any part time hourly paid lecturing in a college would have no effect on pension. +and i've had some conflicting information recently because, not very long ago they did say that any part time hourly paid lecturing in a college would have no effect on pension. but it did seem somewhat of a loophole actually but they ac are actually now re-examining that one, er and i think erm i mean they've since said that it does affect you know it it would be counted as work. as would sort of consultancy work, work undertaken on a consultancy basis. at the moment the advice they will give you is that erm you're okay, but they are reviewing the regulations and once they actually er reach a decision then that work will be . @@ -40897,8 +40859,8 @@ so they are really tightening up . anything else on re- employment? question about if you get employment outside education although,has no effect whatsoever on no. -on so in and you don't even need to notify the paymaster general or you don't have to notify anybody employment outside the teaching area altogether. -i think it does suggest in here that erm you should notify the paymaster general's office, even if you think that it is not +on so in and you don't even need to notify the paymaster general or you don't have to notify anybody employment outside the teaching area altogether. +i think it does suggest in here that erm you should notify the paymaster general's office, even if you think that it is not even if you're right outside if you're industry or whatever. yes. thank you. @@ -40921,58 +40883,57 @@ they catch up with you one way or another. sooner or later yeah. could that affect your income? yeah i i would advise you to contact the er notify the superannuation section yes of any re-employment if you've taken premature retirement. -yeah how much effect it does have i don't know because where but i think it's it's really basis you know it's better to be safe than sorry. +yeah how much effect it does have i don't know because where but i think it's it's really basis you know it's better to be safe than sorry. okay? right that's it can i wish you all a long and happy healthy retirement. not the best of subjects to inject a little bit of humour but we did find er traces of it nevertheless. anyway shall we show our appreciation - black velvet gown on television tonight. what? this is the second of the series of the catherine cookson bes best sellers. oh right. -this evening we have janet in the leading part. -what's that helen? +this evening we have janet in the leading part. +what's that helen? joe . yeah, don't know her. -she played rita sackville-west in the er nigel ibbotson film. +she played rita sackville-west in the er nigel ibbotson film. i haven't se i've read the book i didn't see well i think you did see it, didn't you? no? no, well i can't remember well you have that at seven fifteen, seven thirty. tinker tailor soldier spy at nine five so i can record the ending . -i'd like the alan bleasdale erm g some something g h something i think it's three letters play or something. +i'd like the alan bleasdale erm g some something g h something i think it's three letters play or something. is it on sunday? -have a look i'd like not to miss that. +have a look i'd like not to miss that. what's it called? -b, b g h or something, it's heavily starred have you got it? -no, actually there she is at the back of what is it called b g h, just five letters? +b, b g h or something, it's heavily starred have you got it? +no, actually there she is at the back of what is it called b g h, just five letters? ya, three, three letters. doesn't seem to be on. -ya i've seen trailers ya sunday. +ya i've seen trailers ya sunday. well sunday's here. -well it's sunday i was looking for something nothing? -nope tree of hands. +well it's sunday i was looking for something nothing? +nope tree of hands. no. -ship of the world, knight riders no you'll have to look at the paper. +ship of the world, knight riders no you'll have to look at the paper. gosh he looks ugly! bleasdale. who? he looks fat and ugly. who? -bleasdale that's right +bleasdale that's right there should be something here. oh it's nigel kennedy. why isn't it here? -it's nigel kennedy playing brahms on tuesday. -now i was looking at the other fella a strong comparison, i was mixing him up with i +it's nigel kennedy playing brahms on tuesday. +now i was looking at the other fella a strong comparison, i was mixing him up with i now have a look at your diary and see if you're free on the fifteenth of june, saturday fifteenth june for the stella artois competition. -well i suppose i am i shall phone ruth and see. +well i suppose i am i shall phone ruth and see. well i thought you were going to berlin this month? -no i'll have to phone first dawson's on the same day, have a look. -yes i got those from the office without a graphic a graphic artist's exhibition on the plaza. +no i'll have to phone first dawson's on the same day, have a look. +yes i got those from the office without a graphic a graphic artist's exhibition on the plaza. yeah. five year students, they gave a party for them the other evening about fifty of them must have turned up. mm. @@ -40980,89 +40941,89 @@ yes you can throw it away. yeah, pity it was on ban it was on bank holiday so yeah i know. -kathy those documents have been there all week and you not taken the trouble to look at them but you will quip about the poll tax and its iniquities but you can't even read your own poll tax notice. +kathy those documents have been there all week and you not taken the trouble to look at them but you will quip about the poll tax and its iniquities but you can't even read your own poll tax notice. i'll do it when i can. -where are we going did you say? -to battersea park somewhere +where are we going did you say? +to battersea park somewhere we'll have to find out what this is, the oldest. no, i know what it is. the oldest swiss institution in britain. -yeah, swiss school but it's only for the the old pupils. +yeah, swiss school but it's only for the the old pupils. so what is this date? -i need to put the date in my diary cos they're going to fill up during the summer so you +i need to put the date in my diary cos they're going to fill up during the summer so you we go -assume on the fifteenth june we're alright for the tennis competition. +assume on the fifteenth june we're alright for the tennis competition. ah. i have to tell them on monday otherwise they'll give them to somebody else for this. -alright stephan stays until the fourth, thirteenth or fourteenth, no fourteenth he's already leaving for saudi. +alright stephan stays until the fourth, thirteenth or fourteenth, no fourteenth he's already leaving for saudi. thirteenth or fourteenth you're right and when does he arrive? now,mond no, no now won't do, he's not arriving now. -the third on the third. +the third on the third. well he must be arriving on monday then. -ya good. +ya good. are you having to meet him or er no. oh. well he if he has a heavy suitcase i i i go to the station yeah. -how is he coming, by train or boat? +how is he coming, by train or boat? no by plane, from heathrow. heathrow, i see. -and then he will have to go he doesn't have to go to london every day any more i we shall go here with with erm philip and so on. +and then he will have to go he doesn't have to go to london every day any more i we shall go here with with erm philip and so on. no. -i'd like to go when is it? +i'd like to go when is it? i doubt if it'll be very exciting. well, too bad. it sounds pretty staid. why should it? well, i would think anything swiss would be pretty staid. very proper. -i don't think so anyway. +i don't think so anyway. no lager louts. -i hope not what's that? +i hope not what's that? i don't know, i imagine that it's something tha they're construct some work of art they -they have constructed but where? -read the book it will tell you there's probably an explanation on the cover or the inside of the cover pass me the coffee please. +they have constructed but where? +read the book it will tell you there's probably an explanation on the cover or the inside of the cover pass me the coffee please. the cork in the cooler put it put it over there. i can never find these things. -you're not even in +you're not even in i don i couldn't find that mm that sounds beautiful. good. really pure and and look look look. oh well there's an open air museum there, there's the bedroom. -yeah, but look how that's exactly like yours except that it looks it looks lived in. +yeah, but look how that's exactly like yours except that it looks it looks lived in. it's lovely. -it goes exactly my grandmother's oven except that stupid gate oh that's for people look it's all wooden look it's all woo +it goes exactly my grandmother's oven except that stupid gate oh that's for people look it's all wooden look it's all woo i know. nothing coloured see. yes. -except just the colour is much better alright what are you saying. +except just the colour is much better alright what are you saying. now we could use plasterboard at a fraction of the price and put it up in the fraction of the time. only this lasts hundreds of years and the other kathy i should hate to live in the house my grandfather lived in a hundred years ago! no. i probably i would probably wouldn't survive the winter. -look come and see it's how false it is nobody nobody would have all this white you know, how stupid it's really completely false, they would have colours an and not just white with beige. +look come and see it's how false it is nobody nobody would have all this white you know, how stupid it's really completely false, they would have colours an and not just white with beige. i wouldn't survive the winter in that sort of house. well you would have to. well maybe if i was forced to. -i'm i'm i'm really surprised how they could do it like that and these flowers would honestly! +i'm i'm i'm really surprised how they could do it like that and these flowers would honestly! everything is white. kathy you must go round the museum you would are you going to the tate on wednesday? no. why not? -you go there every wednesday before long they'll ask you to run the library elbow a few old ladies out of the way! +you go there every wednesday before long they'll ask you to run the library elbow a few old ladies out of the way! ah look! did you know this ? i think i may have it. did they send it? -i think so but it's very out of date though. +i think so but it's very out of date though. what? -well it's not it's it look. -well the paper must be out of date because i think i got that stamp months ago in fact you bought it back from switzerland. +well it's not it's it look. +well the paper must be out of date because i think i got that stamp months ago in fact you bought it back from switzerland. how? mm. i didn't bring you a stamp. @@ -41071,84 +41032,84 @@ did i? must be mad! this one? yes. -oh ah yes i bought it in did i bring you four? +oh ah yes i bought it in did i bring you four? suppose so. and what about these two, have you got these to two? -i think i have, yes +i think i have, yes you could also have this one as well, it's expensive actually. -i really must take this over here again, you sit down there and +i really must take this over here again, you sit down there and look, patrick here, how well do you know switzerland? -the nineteenth question is which celebrated swiss clown and mime comes from you know which don't you? +the nineteenth question is which celebrated swiss clown and mime comes from you know which don't you? what? yes, dimitri. yes. mm. so he's a national asset isn't he did you know that. -oh i should think he makes money, yeah makes switzerland known like gabriella sabatini is a tremendous asset to the argentine +oh i should think he makes money, yeah makes switzerland known like gabriella sabatini is a tremendous asset to the argentine when did the -and becker for germany and gazza for england gazza gasgcoine. +and becker for germany and gazza for england gazza gasgcoine. doesn't sound an english name anyway. -no, they just called him gazza, his name is gasgcoine nobody knows what his first name is. +no, they just called him gazza, his name is gasgcoine nobody knows what his first name is. no. but gazza goes well with gasgcoine. ya. gasgcoine is rather a long word to say so i suppose the boys at school call him gazza. ya, but wh where was that name, is it a french name? -i don't know an invented name. +i don't know an invented name. gasgcoine it's been coined. -no, not gasgcoine french yes. +no, not gasgcoine french yes. or, gasgcoine i don't know what it is probably of french origin, northern french. mm. gascony. -mm well. -probably he was his ancestors were from gascony and came over with william the conqueror like the name norman it's a widely known name in england. +mm well. +probably he was his ancestors were from gascony and came over with william the conqueror like the name norman it's a widely known name in england. norman? ooh yes . mm. his ancestors were probably normans who came over . they changed it into . what? -i daresay their neighbours changed it to , like gazza's neighbours have changed his name from gasgcoine to gazza or the newspapers have done it. +i daresay their neighbours changed it to , like gazza's neighbours have changed his name from gasgcoine to gazza or the newspapers have done it. gosh! -i'm really stupid you even have to name two big banks. +i'm really stupid you even have to name two big banks. well that shouldn't be difficult you see them on every street corner. -it depends where you are a wait a minute well of course if you've some chinese outfit look i mean you would know all this wouldn't you? +it depends where you are a wait a minute well of course if you've some chinese outfit look i mean you would know all this wouldn't you? i have to say so, yes i know a lot about it. well i suppose we are typical. -well i wonder what lord hanson will pay me for my i c i shares they're still writing. +well i wonder what lord hanson will pay me for my i c i shares they're still writing. no. -oh yes people are busy buying hoping that lord hanson will pay them more when they pay more. +oh yes people are busy buying hoping that lord hanson will pay them more when they pay more. you'll have to pay the bill won't you? there's the man who owns beaumont college now. show. chairman of i c l. saatchi saatchi shows no signs of recovery. -saatchi brothers salaries have been cut by a half and they've appointed a new man. +saatchi brothers salaries have been cut by a half and they've appointed a new man. they have? robert louis briggs to run the company. who is he? -french banker i think mr arnold wanted to know why maurice and charles saatchi were being paid such a ridiculously large salary when the state of the company was so absolutely dreadful. +french banker i think mr arnold wanted to know why maurice and charles saatchi were being paid such a ridiculously large salary when the state of the company was so absolutely dreadful. so? -mr maurice saatchi who now gets three hundred and ten thousand pounds a year compared with six hundred thousand pounds a year two years ago replied i'm quite satisfied that involuntary taking a fifty per cent pay cut i have done the right thing. +mr maurice saatchi who now gets three hundred and ten thousand pounds a year compared with six hundred thousand pounds a year two years ago replied i'm quite satisfied that involuntary taking a fifty per cent pay cut i have done the right thing. well. -well they've lost their company they've lost control of their company. +well they've lost their company they've lost control of their company. they founded it? -oh yes and and then it got too big for them they are no longer able to control it they're not big enough for a big power two very big big brothers but they couldn't run a company the size they built it. -what are they,i erm financiers or gr or or artists? +oh yes and and then it got too big for them they are no longer able to control it they're not big enough for a big power two very big big brothers but they couldn't run a company the size they built it. +what are they,i erm financiers or gr or or artists? oh they're advertising. what, advertising? one is a , one is an advertiser of embassy of the consulate, good combination. oh, oh i see. -like being important in a gifted man reckons someone who knows how to handle the figures no david isn't interested in figures what everyone knows that, he will tell you himself. +like being important in a gifted man reckons someone who knows how to handle the figures no david isn't interested in figures what everyone knows that, he will tell you himself. so. -he's got better things to do than play around with columns and figures +he's got better things to do than play around with columns and figures okay, okay. -wasting his time like my spending my time on doors! +wasting his time like my spending my time on doors! okay. speak hall ah what? -speak hall -so it's +speak hall +so it's one of the most beautiful houses in england. is it? oh yes. @@ -41157,83 +41118,83 @@ ooh i was taken a long time ago. well i wasn't. i think i liked it. is it furnished? -why would i liked it how funny! +why would i liked it how funny! we wouldn't have got through the mersey tunnel before there was aggravation. who lived here a merchant or somebody? -probably, someone you would disapprove of i didn't know whether remember no probably not it goes back to the middle ages. +probably, someone you would disapprove of i didn't know whether remember no probably not it goes back to the middle ages. well then he wouldn't be a merchant would he? -he could be but not the sort of merchant you're thinking of there were lots of merchants in those days those merchants who build up places like they were greek merchants, in fact they were called merchant venturers weren't they? +he could be but not the sort of merchant you're thinking of there were lots of merchants in those days those merchants who build up places like they were greek merchants, in fact they were called merchant venturers weren't they? i don't know. -the great cities were built by the merchant venturers. +the great cities were built by the merchant venturers. i'll feed the birds and then you can see how they eat an and drink in the bath will you? -well i'd like to take the second one back, could you reach it in the car? +well i'd like to take the second one back, could you reach it in the car? beg pardon? i'd like to take the second one back and that's how and an my my back aches you know when got any more black bags? -yes, yes flowers when they watered really sometimes i i +yes, yes flowers when they watered really sometimes i i all the others are dreadful. why? why should we not be nice? sorry? they've lasted for nearly a fortnight. -a week fortnight. +a week fortnight. no, isabelle wasn't here last weekend. ah, yes. is the recording still on? -i don't know, wait le let me see yeah these are nice these erm erm +i don't know, wait le let me see yeah these are nice these erm erm no those flowers have lasted fo for a fortnight. -that means the yellow ones for three weeks now, are finished now every bud open every +that means the yellow ones for three weeks now, are finished now every bud open every she wouldn't he had some lovely irises but she wouldn't buy them cos she said they wouldn't last. -yeah, well all the shops are closed in it now it's finished put some chemical in in the water and makes them +yeah, well all the shops are closed in it now it's finished put some chemical in in the water and makes them well then obviously, they like it. will you do the lawn in front today? -today or tomorrow i really should put down some more fertilizer particularly on those brown patches there are some brown strips in the front lawn. +today or tomorrow i really should put down some more fertilizer particularly on those brown patches there are some brown strips in the front lawn. now look at that i want you to see them in the bath, they enjoy themselves like children. mm. -it's so funny it's real entertainment someone at the tate said er, you know when i told them i bought the bird bath, they said you will have lots of pleasure with that and i think i have. +it's so funny it's real entertainment someone at the tate said er, you know when i told them i bought the bird bath, they said you will have lots of pleasure with that and i think i have. good. -really i'd like you to do the the lawn just nice now otherwise in a week it's too long again ha? -ooh i'm not sure with my blades up it'll have much effect but we can try. +really i'd like you to do the the lawn just nice now otherwise in a week it's too long again ha? +ooh i'm not sure with my blades up it'll have much effect but we can try. yeah, it would look nice, like like that one. but i don't think you'd see much difference. every weekend or two is a is it much eas easier if you have the blades, high up, ha, no? just a sec. say it. the blade needs replacing at the moment it is snatching at the grass. -well i i saw them in mill, but i didn't know which size, size you need actually i saw some in mill. +well i i saw them in mill, but i didn't know which size, size you need actually i saw some in mill. well are you sure they've got the right ones? -twenty-ninth of june has never rained +twenty-ninth of june has never rained no, did you read the article in the times about er about what? watering gardens? no, where is it? oh i think i've thrown it away. oh come on. -it was in yesterday's paper it's already in the kitchen. +it was in yesterday's paper it's already in the kitchen. can you tell me everything or or should i read it? -it just says don't water if the plants look healthy don't water them, we overdo the watering and it their roots then start growing upwards towards the soil. +it just says don't water if the plants look healthy don't water them, we overdo the watering and it their roots then start growing upwards towards the soil. what, really? upwards towards the surface instead of down. why? -overwatering don't know kathy i'm not a gardener! -oh overwatering what? -overwatering is is damaging to the plants. -ah then mine can't complain they usually have no water no. +overwatering don't know kathy i'm not a gardener! +oh overwatering what? +overwatering is is damaging to the plants. +ah then mine can't complain they usually have no water no. only water if they look as though they need it. really? -mm and don't cut the grass too short. +mm and don't cut the grass too short. and? and that's what they say raise them. i just think it's wrong because every day a tiny bit the ground loo looks much much better than if i don't give them for weeks an they do, well. oh if you don't think they look well then they obviously need it if they look better after they've been watered, that's what the paper says. well then they do need water. that's the answer -they +they if they look as though they need it they need it but if they don't look as though they need watering don't water them. -well look, look at the birds i aren't they sweet all the same i shall buy a nesting box next er next year. +well look, look at the birds i aren't they sweet all the same i shall buy a nesting box next er next year. mm. -i'd like to see the blue tits come out you know there was a programme on television and you saw inside a box of a blue tit, a nesting box, right inside. +i'd like to see the blue tits come out you know there was a programme on television and you saw inside a box of a blue tit, a nesting box, right inside. ah, yes. how could they do that? how can they go so? @@ -41242,25 +41203,25 @@ inside in the box. in the, or just in the in the corner. in this little hole in the side of the box with a wide angle lens. -oh, i see ah i thought they had sort of you know like fairy tales, you can see through the wall, that's what they do put a camera in in , anyway it was rather funny and those birds come out and grow up quite quite wonderful. +oh, i see ah i thought they had sort of you know like fairy tales, you can see through the wall, that's what they do put a camera in in , anyway it was rather funny and those birds come out and grow up quite quite wonderful. they can now put a television camera into your stomach. really? and into your veins i think. -and in everybody's house what? -oh yes and then ah here's a blue tit look there you see, and then where does it connect up, it doesn't happen. +and in everybody's house what? +oh yes and then ah here's a blue tit look there you see, and then where does it connect up, it doesn't happen. i'm not sure perhaps it has a thin catheter or wire i don't know wire i'm not sure. -just smells i like wild birds because that's the animal i like best because they are in the wild you don't have to cage them but you have the pleasure of them being free, what? +just smells i like wild birds because that's the animal i like best because they are in the wild you don't have to cage them but you have the pleasure of them being free, what? free isn't it? -you might get a bit of a mixture a few other birds not always sparrows. +you might get a bit of a mixture a few other birds not always sparrows. it's such an effort and yet i enjoy it so much. but well -really you know when you like it so much . +really you know when you like it so much . oh yes, make some bread with the soup i've got to go out. you know what they do if, if they have to go away. they don't really? -and again. +and again. what did you say? they sometimes what? @@ -41268,16 +41229,16 @@ harrow or ealing or somewhere like this. oh no so when are you, when are you playing tennis, on the fifteenth? i have to know. -the fifteenth so i could go and that's on a sunday or a saturday? +the fifteenth so i could go and that's on a sunday or a saturday? saturday. -so i could go monday, sixteenth monday, yes? +so i could go monday, sixteenth monday, yes? i may really nice. yes. on the, so i took her for . -picture on the . +picture on the . yes , yes, yes. -but erm, she just had it combed out, but it looked, she should have had to have it combed because now, i said you would not like it, because it looks too sophisticated and i, i think it don't look like there's quite i'll get it after him. +but erm, she just had it combed out, but it looked, she should have had to have it combed because now, i said you would not like it, because it looks too sophisticated and i, i think it don't look like there's quite i'll get it after him. have you got a pic , alright, come on let us both get it , alright i'll get it. while i make the tea alright?the bottom of the suitcase. @@ -41294,7 +41255,7 @@ is it? yes. really , i think she's lost weight again. aha. -and then i saw her the next day and and then i realized the and then i came back home and i told her why doesn't she see there's something changed . +and then i saw her the next day and and then i realized the and then i came back home and i told her why doesn't she see there's something changed . yes, does she, yes. and she said yes she's afraid so . she didn't lose, she didn't lose weight it's something else, and erm, and eh,oh that's why it was , so a . @@ -41312,14 +41273,14 @@ oh i like it. no, i don't like it. but it's quite . what's that supposed to be, be here. -it's, it's, it's not in it's like very fluffy, and normally it's much more natural and not . +it's, it's, it's not in it's like very fluffy, and normally it's much more natural and not . yes. not as big, i like it. you like it? it's much more like, you know . yes. and erm -and have you got only one? +and have you got only one? yeah, only one. sophisticated. yeah. @@ -41329,7 +41290,7 @@ i really, i really like it. really? i've still lot of hair, but eh oh. -dear me, thank you very much for +dear me, thank you very much for , and i don't know why . oh she's the one she's a . she'd had the ah yes, what she has, yes. @@ -41354,7 +41315,7 @@ but what can she have then? colour. i see, yes, okay, that's nice . and in the back . -ah that's nice, yes that's , er that's good, it, it cutting er hair, you know below, make such a lot of , yes, what, what . +ah that's nice, yes that's , er that's good, it, it cutting er hair, you know below, make such a lot of , yes, what, what . in the back. yes, annette. it's a bit like, i'll, i'll, it's very, you know very, it's quite curly i thought, because i really thought she had a perm done, when, when she had it. @@ -41362,7 +41323,7 @@ yes. and, and, i asked did you have a perm done and she said no. really? oh it's wonderful. -does she put or something? +does she put or something? yes, she does, she has no, not curls, she has like one of those blow er hair driers i hope not , i see. you know with the, with the large,. @@ -41393,7 +41354,7 @@ it's very romantic, it's very . i see, yes, alright. aha, yes. alright. -yes, well you broke the what? +yes, well you broke the what? yes, the bird bath. very nice. yes, i love it. @@ -41417,7 +41378,7 @@ just never get anything interesting in it and look she has this in the middle, y aha. okay. no , thank you. -. what would you like me to have , you like to have some toast or some erm, or some biscuits with it? +. what would you like me to have , you like to have some toast or some erm, or some biscuits with it? the tea. yeah please, but not very many. no. @@ -41445,8 +41406,8 @@ no, cos i'm not allowed to eat any milk products any more. no, i see. and no meat. no meat? -well some meat, but i'm not allowed to a lot . -a lot yes, how many a day are you? +well some meat, but i'm not allowed to a lot . +a lot yes, how many a day are you? yeah. yes,. so @@ -41474,8 +41435,8 @@ but erm mm, mm. but, no, it's my fault, because before i , living on the . yes, but that's alright, what have you? -, i, i heard a programme the other day, they just saying that shouldn't drink too much milk or something, you get the high. -well, you know, i always, i'm always you have to drink two pints a day, which is more than a litre. +, i, i heard a programme the other day, they just saying that shouldn't drink too much milk or something, you get the high. +well, you know, i always, i'm always you have to drink two pints a day, which is more than a litre. well, that's, you know, that's a that's not too good for you,. yes i know. well i watch i drink, i drink two pints a day, i always drink two pints a day. @@ -41493,13 +41454,13 @@ so erm, so now i have to be careful, erm, but i'm, i'm very much better. so what yes, already you feel the difference do you? much, much better. i see. -well that's excellent of your compliments , although i don't really know at the time, so +well that's excellent of your compliments , although i don't really know at the time, so yes. and then i -have you, you drunk a and . +have you, you drunk a and . i could see that when i did, you know,. no i'm fine. -i, i could feel that i have, i had to go back to the bath to the toilet quite often. +i, i could feel that i have, i had to go back to the bath to the toilet quite often. if what? if i drank a little and . . @@ -41516,13 +41477,13 @@ you dive in the lake and . but my dog, my dog went into the lake. if you can. did he? -yeah, he went lake, and then the next day . +yeah, he went lake, and then the next day . what . oh that's alright. he made me all wet. you know, he once, he once came from brussels and he, he stop, in, in . -just it was a beautiful day, so i said why not stay for an hour , so we got out, out, in , so we , as it is,, you know we just went round a little bit, and it's very tidy and nice, biscuits. +just it was a beautiful day, so i said why not stay for an hour , so we got out, out, in , so we , as it is,, you know we just went round a little bit, and it's very tidy and nice, biscuits. a . and tea cakes,swearing. started swearing and so, so, and , you have to be very careful. @@ -41535,26 +41496,26 @@ and the farmer , had your little bag . really? no, i haven't got it, i'm sorry. -yes, really you know, because, then i, then i looked at, on the other side they er were full of cows and and he would make it that was alright, but he was making sort of very little . +yes, really you know, because, then i, then i looked at, on the other side they er were full of cows and and he would make it that was alright, but he was making sort of very little . that was alright . well, you know, it's, it's not a very, was it on the road? no, never. where? i see, well . i know, because you know, it's not very . -aha, because it's supposedly, it's not ecologically good for +aha, because it's supposedly, it's not ecologically good for i see. -so, so the aren't doing here. +so, so the aren't doing here. well fair enough, but . -i'd rather have a meal wouldn't you? -sure you know it's, it's a high fence but we could try to jump in and would have done the other, the farmer came with a stick and er he useful know, no +i'd rather have a meal wouldn't you? +sure you know it's, it's a high fence but we could try to jump in and would have done the other, the farmer came with a stick and er he useful know, no yes, it is. . -i bought it , it's a multiple yes, yes. +i bought it , it's a multiple yes, yes. never mind . i don't know, it's a very nice gathering . yes,. -i think the owner of is swiss. +i think the owner of is swiss. no. i wonder now, or is, i'm not sure any more, but i think she is. why do you think so? @@ -41576,7 +41537,7 @@ all two, all the two of them. oh, yes.. yes. so, look, i have to hid it from patrick otherwise he will eat them all.. -well he has to eat. +well he has to eat. . have to hid it. well then have to hid it from me too. @@ -41593,9 +41554,9 @@ three hours? three hours. that's it. from nine thirty until half past twelve. -the little analysis and communication board. +the little analysis and communication board. oh my grief. -how many , maybe that simple, very simple eh? +how many , maybe that simple, very simple eh? and what is it really? what is meant by that? it is, about comparing political, sociological, economic novels. @@ -41610,30 +41571,30 @@ i still don't know any . okay, so,. give me an example. erm, alright. -for example, when you talk of, imperialism, when you look at, when we, we've study it from a , erm, quite a few, so it means that that capitalism supply +for example, when you talk of, imperialism, when you look at, when we, we've study it from a , erm, quite a few, so it means that that capitalism supply and, but the problem is, that, although it creates supply it laboured people who worked, yeah yeah. cannot buy it because it's too expensive for them. so capitalism has to export it over its boundary and that's one of the company, what you could call it period, for example, erm i see. let's -maybe become export, become does it? +maybe become export, become does it? alright, let's see the french , mm, mm, mm, yes. well . so for example, i don't know, erm,, let's take an example,,, the french, erm multinational,tele telecommunications yeah. national. do you know , you will find here, that they say . -yeah, so you better if you have . +yeah, so you better if you have . i haven't . you don't, okay. multinationals, they have erm,, doing much better abroad than it is doing in france. okay, well . -because the french cannot always buy what +because the french cannot always buy what alright, alright. so that's why it's only period. well you can call it export too, but export is . -that means imperialism means in a way they're the french market it's well known, and, makes itself sell at much a than in its, in its own country, so you can say that for example thompson has a monopoly tower, most european and have a monopoly tower +that means imperialism means in a way they're the french market it's well known, and, makes itself sell at much a than in its, in its own country, so you can say that for example thompson has a monopoly tower, most european and have a monopoly tower yes. in not only holland but in germany. yes, quite. @@ -41662,17 +41623,17 @@ they do a bit of imperialism. , they are easy aren't they? and then erm brussels. -i my power at that, that place and nowhere else and nobody agreed and, well, they say we go somewhere else, and . +i my power at that, that place and nowhere else and nobody agreed and, well, they say we go somewhere else, and . they're a big company in brussels , and they got, they got their office where they like . and now they're gone. aha. well you really . but it's nice you know brussels. -you know +you know so what did you do yesterday? went there at what time? erm what did we do yes, well we went, i, i went to isobel at what, i found her at three, we had . -we even gave her coconut to the dog which i which was nice. +we even gave her coconut to the dog which i which was nice. i see you. no, no, yes my dog. aha, he, he, still thinks isobel has the dog. @@ -41703,7 +41664,7 @@ no . yes. can't all be. no. -i suppose it's healthy enough actually, your mother coming today, the airport? +i suppose it's healthy enough actually, your mother coming today, the airport? no, no. no. my brother drove me. @@ -41727,7 +41688,7 @@ aha, yes. but he'll have to two more weeks then afterwards. no, aha,. and a , michelle. -michelle is now in the , second and then erm, he might go to switzerland to study . +michelle is now in the , second and then erm, he might go to switzerland to study . ah yes, what is ? the second year. yeah, yeah, what? @@ -41745,7 +41706,7 @@ and i wasn't sure of the work any more, but yes, you mix it up . no, no. really, no. -no , it's quite a apart. +no , it's quite a apart. yeah. it's much harder, i mean i simply , swiss german, than dutch yeah, really? @@ -41757,7 +41718,7 @@ no, i, i really. talking yeah. talking . . -you know i still keep the italian you know , it's more than french, at that time, and, well i worked in , i was, i was really quite good at it, but now, i just lost it. +you know i still keep the italian you know , it's more than french, at that time, and, well i worked in , i was, i was really quite good at it, but now, i just lost it. first of all i never hear it any more on the continent i can't seem to hear the radio, you hear some, you know,put on the radio and you have a , brussels already , he had nothing at all. but don't you think that oh no @@ -41765,10 +41726,10 @@ he would come back quick. i don't know anybody, aperitif, and the and all that stuff, you know, the exception. no,and i, i . aha, aha i told myself, i had to force myself not to. -i at once, stefan, there was an , i was anything, just . +i at once, stefan, there was an , i was anything, just . so a lawyer came, and of course i had my own office , confidential stuff, so he wanted to give it to me. -, and in the machine or something, i had you know, i never know, you have quite a few words which aren't any french or . -one language, one and the others have two or two . +, and in the machine or something, i had you know, i never know, you have quite a few words which aren't any french or . +one language, one and the others have two or two . or else, i . yeah. and so i thought you . @@ -41783,10 +41744,10 @@ the french. yes. i see, is it? yes,. -i know you're right, now it's imperative with one and it's with two . +i know you're right, now it's imperative with one and it's with two . yes. . that's what i mean. -poor chap, he's, he's getting furious and and there are hundreds of . +poor chap, he's, he's getting furious and and there are hundreds of . two s's you know and french you don't marks the difference, italian you do say that you have double quotes,.. writing i don't, i don't think she'd, she can write it there, i don't know. italian . @@ -41794,11 +41755,11 @@ yeah, and she ever uses it, why doesn't she forget it? well i think she uses it quite often, you know, i mean where, where? at the office, or the italians come, she always uses it. -well, when there are, i mean, i think, well i think it really con i mean, when i'm with the dutch i really thought the other day i can till david comes back again, quite quickly. +well, when there are, i mean, i think, well i think it really con i mean, when i'm with the dutch i really thought the other day i can till david comes back again, quite quickly. well i hear you, but . mm. i forget it, erm, where is it . -stop there for tonight, but i had you know, i just spoke french. +stop there for tonight, but i had you know, i just spoke french. i just didn't open my mouth, but i understood what they said and they didn't know . you know, and so, so the second time, the second day i could say one or two words and the third a little bit more, but eh that's it. same when i'm, when i'm in italy, i, i can't speak italian very well, but when i'm there a week, i pick up words very quickly and although i know my grammar isn't perfect, i can form sentences in a way that people do understand me,. @@ -41806,32 +41767,32 @@ yes. yes. i, that, for me the hardest thing to do is example is study spanish. yeah. -because as i heard my mother speak italian all the time and my cousins, you really ca can in my, you know in your +because as i heard my mother speak italian all the time and my cousins, you really ca can in my, you know in your yes. your sub conscience, yeah. you'll pick it up. mm, mm. and i really understand italian quite well, and eh, when i had spanish, i, i suppose . you picked it up.. -all the time i had, i had spanish. +all the time i had, i had spanish. did you? and when i had to speak, i spoke italian. did you? well i didn't know spanish, but i got by with the italian, you know, i had, i had once,. don't you? yeah, yeah. -and eh, julia and and eh ruth and her husband , eh went to madrid and i stayed with isobel. +and eh, julia and and eh ruth and her husband , eh went to madrid and i stayed with isobel. mm, mm. -, and we went to the beach and i came back and , leap of the whole er, side of the car. +, and we went to the beach and i came back and , leap of the whole er, side of the car. you can imagine so, i , it's awful. so yeah. i , want other people's cars in . that's very funny, for example, i went dutch because when we were small my brother run away. yeah. -he always, well we not always often, very often, spoke dutch with each other. +he always, well we not always often, very often, spoke dutch with each other. did you? -yes, because of, we were in school together in dutch and on the way home we were with dutch friends, so we then, and we mostly spoke dutch and now, since i, so it's nearly, since now seven years have been, since i have gone to states, first year in eighty three, came back in eighty four, and since then we've never, ever spoke dutch. +yes, because of, we were in school together in dutch and on the way home we were with dutch friends, so we then, and we mostly spoke dutch and now, since i, so it's nearly, since now seven years have been, since i have gone to states, first year in eighty three, came back in eighty four, and since then we've never, ever spoke dutch. erm, yes, yeah yes. yes i see now, ah, yeah . we always speak french to each other. @@ -41845,7 +41806,7 @@ all french,, yeah. when we couldn't, when, when we were not allowed to in the states. really, i think it but now it -i remember a on the telephone, you know, i used to speak and talk and talk, apparently she would switch to german, so that means that i can't someone +i remember a on the telephone, you know, i used to speak and talk and talk, apparently she would switch to german, so that means that i can't someone shouldn't allow it, i, i always knew what it meant . and, that, you make me think of it, suddenly she'd switched. for what happened she can do it because, so okay, let's hope it's going to be nice. @@ -41856,7 +41817,7 @@ it's very nice with the plants on. yes, yes. very, very nice. now i'm, i'm really thinking all the time , something in the back thing -the grass, the garden . +the grass, the garden . looks nice, and erm, how do you call these erm, ah . looks nice. @@ -41865,7 +41826,7 @@ it's, it's already once cove covered the whole wall, but when we took the other erm, i'm going to lose , digging so much, it's terrible. it looks nice . right. -come a no you've seen that,. +come a no you've seen that,. yes. you know you can, you can take few of these chairs, and, these chairs and tables here,in the evening, whenever you want to read there, you can do that. okay right, right. @@ -41879,39 +41840,39 @@ cos he was a man. no. oh you have to, oh you can't leave him alone one second . but he still has his hat on. -oh yeah, at night, anyway because at night he's alone and he's from it and during the day, i know, i know my brother as i can't rely on the, and, and, you know, and look at, michelle would look at, at him all the time, but , put, put the thing on you know. +oh yeah, at night, anyway because at night he's alone and he's from it and during the day, i know, i know my brother as i can't rely on the, and, and, you know, and look at, michelle would look at, at him all the time, but , put, put the thing on you know. yeah. and so erm -so -i tell you i take off when i go out now, because, everyone looks at you. -laugh, oh they laugh, oh they are funny, they even they have to explain it and we didn't . +so +i tell you i take off when i go out now, because, everyone looks at you. +laugh, oh they laugh, oh they are funny, they even they have to explain it and we didn't . and it's quite dangerous, because it doesn't hear very well, that , when you're behind him . where are you? and eh you know,. you take it off the . doors we can have them painted,. -he comes into the door, he comes into the door and it's like +he comes into the door, he comes into the door and it's like guess that, that would happen. -i went and all the way +i went and all the way except for the hotel which is the most wonderful walk hotel yeah beautiful garden,, my mother and i said very well you, we will come for week here but we won't go out of this . aha. not one . -it's raining +it's raining why on earth did he want to go there? -because he had +because he had i don't know, there's this house, what's falling apart like, and it, it was small, it was like, i think it was wide at the . right, so it was wet, very tiny aha. aha . -and erm, and so, you know we didn't say anything erm, cos he wanted us to buy, so michelle and i went and my mother. +and erm, and so, you know we didn't say anything erm, cos he wanted us to buy, so michelle and i went and my mother. we only went for two days. yes. and so, but the surroundings on . beautiful, yes, yes. -ah a little small village we have what they call , which is a big +ah a little small village we have what they call , which is a big yeah, yeah. with, you know they have it in, in the square, it's a square . aha,yes. @@ -41919,22 +41880,22 @@ and with a glass of cider, aah, wonderful. i see, yes, i really like to , yeah. it had those little tiny villages and very nice, very nice. was ugly thing. -the you know it?, very, very , quite chic +the you know it?, very, very , quite chic is it? you can see it's quite chic. ah. and it's not, it's not beautiful . no, no. -they have kind of you know, in the back, in that little house,, i mean if you buying you know, it's like , i mean, if i had to go there two weeks in the year, you know what i mean. +they have kind of you know, in the back, in that little house,, i mean if you buying you know, it's like , i mean, if i had to go there two weeks in the year, you know what i mean. oh yes, yes . yes. -so i would like to go there, i would never ever spend more than two days there, in the winter, and if i, except staying at this wonderful hotel. +so i would like to go there, i would never ever spend more than two days there, in the winter, and if i, except staying at this wonderful hotel. yes. it's where we had the most wonderful room, in the, in the, my brother michelle and i we said, you know, we arrived there with my brother had, my father had an appointment with, with the architect at three o'clock in the afternoon so we went too , before yes. -which is a very nice city, where it's all . +which is a very nice city, where it's all . aha. -so went to andre's and had lunch there and went on to, to a, play ball, then er, there was called, and my mother and i had +so went to andre's and had lunch there and went on to, to a, play ball, then er, there was called, and my mother and i had what,. marks. marks @@ -41942,15 +41903,15 @@ marks i see. end of marks. yeah. -and then, my mother said one week before and then my mother said, don't say, don't say . +and then, my mother said one week before and then my mother said, don't say, don't say . i know, i did,. -porcelain and glass +porcelain and glass you know yeah, yeah, i don't know where it comes from . -so she went with the architect and he was wanting to show us this kind of and we were like, were cold and were back to the hotel, we didn't even go into the house. +so she went with the architect and he was wanting to show us this kind of and we were like, were cold and were back to the hotel, we didn't even go into the house. no. and, and, it's was so bad, oh it was terrible. i mean the house in itself, no, i mean -aha, that lady you could see have responsibilities, no? +aha, that lady you could see have responsibilities, no? responsibilities, i mean, it would have to be torn down and build up again it was in such a bad shape, it was really,i mean, terrible, it must of been, it was, it was man who lived in since the second world war, alright, so you get . the, the, there was a very old car,, one , in a beautiful car but there was nothing left of the car, you couldn't even if you cut it, it . @@ -41961,28 +41922,28 @@ it's . their ball is tied in a . ah yeah, yeah . so i, and erm, very nice, very nice, and eh, we had a marvel bunker -erm,bathroom and so we had some of those for half an hour , so good,and i would i had to, we had to get out, quite a long way too, it's about, it's longer than driving to, nearly as driving to zurich. +erm,bathroom and so we had some of those for half an hour , so good,and i would i had to, we had to get out, quite a long way too, it's about, it's longer than driving to, nearly as driving to zurich. same thing, seven hours drive, terrible. did you drive ? no i drove. who drove? my father drove, then i drove. aha. -but i, i, take +but i, i, take in your car? no, no.. but did you drive so quickly again? no, no, no. oh i didn't tell you, the day before he had a dash . the day before left? -i was not i was not , two hours. +i was not i was not , two hours. oh god. -, it's not , my brother dared make the remark on, oh, it time, since then didn't have any accident. +, it's not , my brother dared make the remark on, oh, it time, since then didn't have any accident. i have my father on the phone half an hour later, erm, erm, when's phil leaving tomorrow? don't, don't worry i, don't tell mother but i had a little accident. -i said no it's not true, what on,door, what door, well the door, is it bad? +i said no it's not true, what on,door, what door, well the door, is it bad? well, you'll see. -the whole door is , the back door. +the whole door is , the back door. right. , i mean a mess. what how, how's he . @@ -41998,23 +41959,23 @@ why didn't you take yours? we, with four in mine . okay. so my , oh how can you go through that , with a broken car like that, eh, it's a shame you know, so we had to drive. -so again +so again how did, how did he hear? how did he manage to ? well it wasn't his fault. luckily it wasn't his fault. yeah, yeah yeah. -so erm,did something wrong again , i don't remember whether it touched it, probably nothing crazy again. +so erm,did something wrong again , i don't remember whether it touched it, probably nothing crazy again. yeah. and luckily were not the other one, was. his fault. i don't know , it was his fault and the other one,look like, you know, in the , problem . -well, some have stock, all of the person in the back didn't it? +well, some have stock, all of the person in the back didn't it? yes. -sometimes you very abruptly, which is. +sometimes you very abruptly, which is. or, you know, whatever it is. -yeah, yeah, well -anyhow, so it has been fixed . +yeah, yeah, well +anyhow, so it has been fixed . aha. and have a nice trip . don't say that, come on, get . @@ -42025,35 +41986,35 @@ all . and eh, that hotel was wonderful, the most wonderful dinner tonight. really? oh yes. -do eat well? +do eat well? very. yes,. yes. -, friends met . +, friends met . yes,. so we decided not to buy the house . yeah,. no, i . quite. -you will have to have also,. +you will have to have also,. no, i'd like to buy something . what in . right in town. can't think , well not right in town . no. -is it a now, again, or . -well i'd like to buy before my dad go retires, because he's in the business as you know, he knows exactly what to buy and if i have to, you know, have work done, he has this erm you know, it does everything. +is it a now, again, or . +well i'd like to buy before my dad go retires, because he's in the business as you know, he knows exactly what to buy and if i have to, you know, have work done, he has this erm you know, it does everything. right, yes. have you finished? yeah, yes. aha. so,as well. yeah, yeah i thought so. -so i'd better, even if i had to make an and you know. +so i'd better, even if i had to make an and you know. yes. -but i, i really want to have like a even if i stayed in switzerland, because have mind so. +but i, i really want to have like a even if i stayed in switzerland, because have mind so. yeah. -you know, i'd like to have brussels. +you know, i'd like to have brussels. an apartment, a nice one. yeah, right. not big at all, just comfortable, so that it sleeps two or three. @@ -42066,7 +42027,7 @@ yeah, i think two is wonderful. is it? and even two with one child, then, then, after . really? -no i think, i, i mean see a lot of languages and i think you're doing very well. +no i think, i, i mean see a lot of languages and i think you're doing very well. thank you. yeah. right now, did you, did you hear about that farm with a job ? @@ -42081,15 +42042,15 @@ so,was going to call today, yeah, yeah. would she like it? i think so. -you know isobel has a with +you know isobel has a with yeah,i wonder what that tell you. with mr , well there's something in mr . two people. two. ah. -i wonder how felt? -i table. -want me to bring some up to the fridge? +i wonder how felt? +i table. +want me to bring some up to the fridge? ah yes. listen, erm, maybe . if i can help you in any way , can i help you do the dishes ? @@ -42109,7 +42070,7 @@ unrecognisable. ah lovely, thank you so much, that's from, from sylvie. yes. yes oh lovely, aah. -that's the one, that , this is a, a one, this is +that's the one, that , this is a, a one, this is when they come . do they come out ? yes this is a magazine. @@ -42124,12 +42085,12 @@ i wouldn't know him, but . no, i wouldn't know. i . yes,. -but, someone to sometimes. +but, someone to sometimes. yes, i don't like it. -er romantic and so you don't like it? -no, i have to get a terrible picture of cows up close, huge huge and , and . +er romantic and so you don't like it? +no, i have to get a terrible picture of cows up close, huge huge and , and . have. -yeah yeah. +yeah yeah. does that come out every month? every month, i'll give you one every month, if you want. you're joking. @@ -42143,14 +42104,14 @@ all over. i see, you know. this one is not even sorted , i don't think it's sold, no. no. -no, it's it's free. +no, it's it's free. can't buy it? the catalogues you have to buy, this one you get free. you get that free? yeah. wow. so, might of use . -they that to get things like . +they that to get things like . yes, yes, they give it free, no, no, it's free, it's free. where do ? at . @@ -42176,17 +42137,17 @@ i love this. yes so do i. it's . i don't know. -, you always makes erm, drawings and, and, but always women portraits, beautiful things. +, you always makes erm, drawings and, and, but always women portraits, beautiful things. . look's like a drawing. and, and on canvas. it's a drawing. yeah look -it's a -it's believe you. +it's a +it's believe you. yeah you would say it's, it's, it's. -yeah, yeah,, but the face if i wouldn't have known, it's very beautiful, i'd like to open it, can i? +yeah, yeah,, but the face if i wouldn't have known, it's very beautiful, i'd like to open it, can i? yes. romantically done, it's chocolate. it's chocolate sweet, yes, now. @@ -42200,14 +42161,14 @@ wonderful cake. we wash our hands. yes. have you washed your hands . -so you saw the did you? +so you saw the did you? yeah. -and when -yesterday they called, i called them in the morning and they said is your er, you know at one at something, i said no, i don't, i don't really know, i didn't know there was one at one. +and when +yesterday they called, i called them in the morning and they said is your er, you know at one at something, i said no, i don't, i don't really know, i didn't know there was one at one. yeah. but i didn't see them then. oh. -and in the evening i looked for them, and then i saw them of course, i knew where they were and i thought quite longly we were right in the front. +and in the evening i looked for them, and then i saw them of course, i knew where they were and i thought quite longly we were right in the front. so . yeah, always the colours mm, there's always one colour . , so erm @@ -42215,15 +42176,15 @@ didn't even go did you? no, no, i could not have gone it er america. she wanted me to go but . who? -, wanted me to go with them, but i cannot have , i could not have them, and take this white one too. +, wanted me to go with them, but i cannot have , i could not have them, and take this white one too. why? yeah . -because it's so and so -isobel even told me they have, they have one month even for the so +because it's so and so +isobel even told me they have, they have one month even for the so no,. so, erm mm. -and, and what that much of an interest. +and, and what that much of an interest. i was very happy because why? do, well, the only one i have heard was the @@ -42233,7 +42194,7 @@ yes. evening. yes. late on friday evening and we switched on to, to a,, and he was the only one i really heard. -i couldn't i was, you know i think when you go to those things you have to be in it. +i couldn't i was, you know i think when you go to those things you have to be in it. yes, try to be with them. you know from the beginning of , sing all twelve . yes. @@ -42258,10 +42219,10 @@ no, yeah, i don't even know, you seem to know. you know, he never , now suddenly, really as a, as quite a . he doesn't mind? well , no. -sometimes i'm, i'm, think he's a too much. +sometimes i'm, i'm, think he's a too much. i don't know. no, you don't think so? -maybe, maybe, may sometimes. +maybe, maybe, may sometimes. maybe. yeah, yeah,. but i have . @@ -42279,15 +42240,15 @@ if you want to i'll go with you. yes . go tomorrow or alright. -that cos i really didn't want to call him, because i didn't want to, to hear you know, oh i've done this, and this, and this, and then you know i would get , and say oh my god i haven't done nothing and i realize i've done much more than . +that cos i really didn't want to call him, because i didn't want to, to hear you know, oh i've done this, and this, and this, and then you know i would get , and say oh my god i haven't done nothing and i realize i've done much more than . yes, well there you go. -well i from what i've known . +well i from what i've known . so eh , somehow i think, you know, they, they used to say that he's , we haven't done anything. -that's, that's what i +that's, that's what i i don't know whether it's true. no, no , no, i know it's not true. -i know it's not true, i know it's not, well i know from whom i'm can think it's not true i know it's not. +i know it's not true, i know it's not, well i know from whom i'm can think it's not true i know it's not. yeah. i find it's,. no because i, no, i well, it's is, i know people who say well i've heard very little and i know that's enough for them to have very good friends. @@ -42307,17 +42268,17 @@ no. it would be , disgusting old thing. you know what it is? it's . -it's an old farmer's erm,, the milk, eh, pulled out here, see, it's a sieve, and that's the . +it's an old farmer's erm,, the milk, eh, pulled out here, see, it's a sieve, and that's the . right. so,. -it's a use it? +it's a use it? no, no, no.. i'll just put in onion,. aha . how funny, i . i'm looking now for a nice you know . they have, have you got a nice wedding present for ? -we have er +we have er no,, with holes in it? no. no, it should have holes in it. @@ -42339,21 +42300,21 @@ why do i want this . every . you know,. no, they're all dirty. -you better give me some no. +you better give me some no. so i , this i have no more room for erm, for glasses. that's why i had to . not you fed up yet? yeah -i see the the , learning for , and it looks very, very good, play, she wouldn't know, well you have to, you have .. +i see the the , learning for , and it looks very, very good, play, she wouldn't know, well you have to, you have .. old ones from ninety, from ninety, you know, i have to get kilos. , my mother does the same thing, no. really? do you know what she did? -my, no father had , erm, like you know insurance, papers and all that, and that . +my, no father had , erm, like you know insurance, papers and all that, and that . everything out on the floor and now, and now he has to do it, so he did it now, it's still there like. i can see him actually . from year to year and then he, he's fair now, it hasn't been there since i've been home, so it hasn't -oh, it's just on the floor. +oh, it's just on the floor. i know, it was there and it was stay until my mother , doesn't do it within the week or something she throws everything out. everything out , yes. i, i have to do it quite sort of efficiency, you know, if you leave it, it becomes dreadful. @@ -42365,16 +42326,16 @@ no, does it? it is a sign of . i didn't know. i know it's a -i thought what you, what you got over there you know. +i thought what you, what you got over there you know. . can't . -can i here? +can i here? eh? do you mind if i go up here to ? . this isn't after all . he , he lives in . -and he , a huge crate over newspapers, hundred newspapers, to , when he first , so within a year he never touched it, so gradually i took one more and more . +and he , a huge crate over newspapers, hundred newspapers, to , when he first , so within a year he never touched it, so gradually i took one more and more . and he never touched them again. and everybody i like . threw all away. @@ -42417,9 +42378,9 @@ yes. they have to be very quick. yes. and i'm not very quick. -yeah, well i'm not too. +yeah, well i'm not too. funny, i'm erm , slow as well. -well that's just isn't it? +well that's just isn't it? . there you are . you see, and michelle? @@ -42427,7 +42388,7 @@ no. no,. but not as slow as i am,. you would never have . -i wouldn't mind eh, i would have +i wouldn't mind eh, i would have that's very . too late. yeah, whatever. @@ -42436,21 +42397,21 @@ yes, yes, exactly, erm. you think then you'll stay in clifton? i could stay, but i don't know if i want to stay. it's quite bad . -yeah, and i think you, you know in increase the , i'm going to accept the +yeah, and i think you, you know in increase the , i'm going to accept the yes. and try to find another . at the same time. -yes, or big bank or something, who'll invests in our something like that. +yes, or big bank or something, who'll invests in our something like that. cos there are many banks in zurich who doing this. yes. yes. yes, but are you already erm expert enough? -well, it's,alrea i mean +well, it's,alrea i mean deal with eh? eh, or, or, anything or public relations on art or something that you know. -no i don't think i am, no i'm not an expert, just say well you know, you know. +no i don't think i am, no i'm not an expert, just say well you know, you know. aha. -yeah you +yeah you but erm, you know, where, a way to get, do some marketing to get flights into, more like, you know, italy,, try to get people to buy work of art for you mhm yeah. beginning to erm, intermediate person you doing. @@ -42467,7 +42428,7 @@ well at night . you have had a good ? yeah. oh yeah, well, he has probably eat nothing even in the day and . -... i like the way they like that, you know. +... i like the way they like that, you know. . no onions, no onions, much better you . no, i don't boil onions, i'm not, i've never been a big onions chap. @@ -42484,7 +42445,7 @@ but on the day of the exam she usually , so so . can i have the first part? yes indeed . -you should really . +you should really . only give the person who's accused of murdering their young student. i'm, i thought you would show photograph of the people who are . they came from america, boston. @@ -42521,7 +42482,7 @@ mm. very quiet now. you can . very quiet. -do you go for lunch when it's here? +do you go for lunch when it's here? no, yes, but they didn't go, did she tell you? no, it's not that you wouldn't go. well no we didn't go, but she was quite eh, you know, she like it. @@ -42530,22 +42491,22 @@ quite a definite tone, sort to make up for it, we yeah, we went to windsor instead. yeah. yeah. -and it, it, very funny weather, yeah, so, you know, usually if you've been , along the thames, the thames valley +and it, it, very funny weather, yeah, so, you know, usually if you've been , along the thames, the thames valley yeah, yeah. -beautiful lights, you know, really nice, and you, you see it, i mean,. +beautiful lights, you know, really nice, and you, you see it, i mean,. if it rains, you . , and then the , on sunday, isobel and , beautifully park . it was alright, yes. but then for a moment i thought right . -yeah +yeah it's such a boring job,, i can't do it when i'm alone, looking at , i just can't, so, you see how many i have. the e i u has produce some very damming report on i c i. what sort of, what do you mean? -january first nineteen seven, i c i shares have been amongst the worst on the london market. +january first nineteen seven, i c i shares have been amongst the worst on the london market. really? yeah. god. -the capital has failed to achieved the real in earnings and dividends. +the capital has failed to achieved the real in earnings and dividends. well, harvey jones should go back. i c i was given the unfortunate impression with management more interested in running a big chemical company than in maximizing shareholder returns. ha. @@ -42554,7 +42515,7 @@ really? that means they're all for it, now. i wouldn't mind selling my shares to hansom for a bit more. see if he can squeeze something more out of i c i. -mm company deserves to be thrown to the wolves and . +mm company deserves to be thrown to the wolves and . i think . mm. i was surprised you all you, are you still went . @@ -42563,7 +42524,7 @@ i only choose one side bigger than before. yes. why . i always wore thirty five, thirty five and a half, thirty six, now i'm wearing thirty seven. -well you know, strange things happen you always wear the same size? +well you know, strange things happen you always wear the same size? she watches her weight, or yeah. so she really watches it. @@ -42578,7 +42539,7 @@ no, she . . bet she . yep. -what deserves it. +what deserves it. . does, does isobel see your mother every weekend, every time she goes to, does she? yeah. yeah. @@ -42614,32 +42575,32 @@ but eh, suppose, supposed to be quite interesting. why? so the exhibits and the organization's much more serious than just . yeah. -but pay money? +but pay money? no,, well everything was . what? -whether i or they're exhibits. +whether i or they're exhibits. you know they had an exhibition room at the . ah yes, yes, yes. -they've any more. +they've any more. oh really? i think eh, the french refused to eh, continue on. -they, supposedly they stop at everything which is and eh, and a lot of their sponsors. +they, supposedly they stop at everything which is and eh, and a lot of their sponsors. no. which . amazing. yeah. -they have beautiful there. +they have beautiful there. not having any. any more? exhibits . oh. -well in a sense i can understand it, probably it was you know, the big, the big re-election thing,and many other bands, they, they, couldn't have really get yeah,. -yeah, yes get's a lot, doesn't it? +well in a sense i can understand it, probably it was you know, the big, the big re-election thing,and many other bands, they, they, couldn't have really get yeah,. +yeah, yes get's a lot, doesn't it? yeah so they didn't, you know stand out. -couldn't really , stand out, yes, they didn't stand out as much exhibits as they would with another occasion something else. -what they do if they had exhibitions , they would eh +couldn't really , stand out, yes, they didn't stand out as much exhibits as they would with another occasion something else. +what they do if they had exhibitions , they would eh well i don't know. sometimes . on all three . @@ -42653,7 +42614,7 @@ no, no, no. it's really an office . aha. well you can . -although people can go in and for it. +although people can go in and for it. they have . she . she and others as well @@ -42676,7 +42637,7 @@ yes think they're a happy couple? yes. are they ? -yeah +yeah no, it's worse. we were talking about,at least two or three people are getting divorced. really? @@ -42695,7 +42656,7 @@ well, well, i . who's letting you ? no, no, no, no, they one who was in the , the two left . i see. -she wouldn't the beginning, no she was there in the beginning. +she wouldn't the beginning, no she was there in the beginning. no she was there in the beginning with a,, then she left and , she had been married three years. that's all? and they're separated already. @@ -42703,8 +42664,8 @@ and then, we have another friend of the , who is married to someone . yes. , she, she would,, the best, erm,sister's best friend mm. -and erm, they're always stuck together, and so i suppose now she's now that she's, her friends has separated she has, she instantly separated . -why she's not, can't be that , no. +and erm, they're always stuck together, and so i suppose now she's now that she's, her friends has separated she has, she instantly separated . +why she's not, can't be that , no. mhm. no, no . what about, erm, the girl who came to ? @@ -42716,7 +42677,7 @@ i don't know, very strange. and her friend eh, bridget. yes, bridget. . -she architect +she architect how soon? yeah. i don't , she's an architect. @@ -42728,7 +42689,7 @@ yeah. . i think she must be twenty . aha. -she's a good friend of is she? +she's a good friend of is she? she's . a best friend? no. @@ -42740,11 +42701,11 @@ mm. and how is ? working for a . , what is . -erm, french t v channel. +erm, french t v channel. mhm. he was working for . , mhm. -appears belgium two years ago now. +appears belgium two years ago now. mhm. aha. and he has them . @@ -42759,17 +42720,17 @@ it's french, yeah, french,. no. no,. no, no, no, no, no, no, doesn't have anything to do with . -how does he how is the old woman?. +how does he how is the old woman?. going to build a, a block. what? apartment building. where? in the house that wasn't there. has to, well you have . -when you're up and you're looking into the garden very big garden +when you're up and you're looking into the garden very big garden mm. yes, yes yes. -the house was sale . +the house was sale . yes, but . but they bought, they bought,, erm,. comfy. @@ -42786,7 +42747,7 @@ mhm. but i wonder how high they're going? yeah. but which hou which housing estate? -a one,ju you know, i mean you have complex of apartments which look and then you have the corner, the big house. +a one,ju you know, i mean you have complex of apartments which look and then you have the corner, the big house. yeah. you had a big garden though going through. the cabbage thing. @@ -42822,14 +42783,14 @@ no they can't. and they're not going very far inwards . that'll means they do go . that they do have . -it's a supposedly two down , large building whether, cos they can't really move inwards +it's a supposedly two down , large building whether, cos they can't really move inwards they have to oh, they have to really watch because they're very strict. yes, but do you know, in gabby's in , they had to, to, the builders just gave what they want , and all your residents , they took them to court and they had , eh but was it too late? fans, yes, no,, building, you know,, and then the, they made trouble again and then for every down they didn't pull something down and so they had to pay oh so many er thousands . really? -but, they had a lot of trouble as the builders took what they like, so, we've got to watch these, this building. +but, they had a lot of trouble as the builders took what they like, so, we've got to watch these, this building. when are we going to do that? i don't know, but there has just been bought. just been bought? @@ -42839,9 +42800,9 @@ it would look dreadful if each . mm when, when can you hear about it? yesterday -and the house sold when? +and the house sold when? twelfth december, not too long ago. -they had been on the for quite a +they had been on the for quite a has it? but why haven't they, can they go higher? it's already quite high. @@ -42850,7 +42811,7 @@ well, anyway, i don't think that was their house. i think you're right. i think actually you should be allowed a house,you know for a . . -it's down, see when you, when you look at the . +it's down, see when you, when you look at the . yeah. , you had a built in , and on the left, they've torn down the whole building. what, have ? @@ -42873,7 +42834,7 @@ yes, why don't you? but, my dad told me, you know, they've put in air conditioning. really? yes. -it was already broken the second day of . +it was already broken the second day of . never ever worked. why? why was it broke? @@ -42881,32 +42842,32 @@ i don't know,. second time, now you know when to put . yes. yes. -which means that here, those metal plates, they came like. +which means that here, those metal plates, they came like. how does ? how do we do it? -this this is dangerous way,. +this this is dangerous way,. and . i wouldn't of want to go and . -well let's erm, they, they are going to on the same site. +well let's erm, they, they are going to on the same site. now they're not yes, but why? what? do you think it looks ugly? well . it's , it looked a bit like a beehive . -that's the shape i like i'm quite upset now about . +that's the shape i like i'm quite upset now about . i already . you don't know how big it is? and i erm suppose the houses they're sold a bit further down,you have more flats. they'll sell another one. -well there is +well there is but they have, but i don't . -well it doesn't much matter whatever it is. -well, she you can always . -yes and see exactly. +well it doesn't much matter whatever it is. +well, she you can always . +yes and see exactly. yeah. yeah. -and go to the , yes that's +and go to the , yes that's something quite plain. what? where's that? @@ -42939,7 +42900,7 @@ really, mm. really. oh they're vicious creatures. terrible. -some of them some areas, some areas are nothing where +some of them some areas, some areas are nothing where really . yes, i see . have you? @@ -42950,7 +42911,7 @@ really? well like, when you see them like this, they don't look. you know i would be oh to me, they do look -really, oh sometimes, i always wonder if they are or not.. +really, oh sometimes, i always wonder if they are or not.. really? well i think it's the macho thing. never, ah @@ -42959,25 +42920,25 @@ about two years now . make television reporters. yeah. terrible situation. -like to catch something that was hanging on the tree, no one would catch it and hang there. +like to catch something that was hanging on the tree, no one would catch it and hang there. mm. and minutes and minutes long, and until . would of hang on to the thing. it matters if he hangs on to you, how fast did you get out of it? -no, it's not funny is it?. +no, it's not funny is it?. i, i, i had one with a . should of have a one . during her sleep, what was it? -so you know, she was sleeping, he was laying beside her and he an egg from her hand or something. +so you know, she was sleeping, he was laying beside her and he an egg from her hand or something. i'm serious. joking. it happened in germany about a year ago. yes, really, and that was . well her hand. -i think inventing stories about it. +i think inventing stories about it. no, no, -, absolutely that's not possible. +, absolutely that's not possible. well have you heard what he said? , well, i, i thought it was quite amazing as well and i couldn't . right. @@ -43011,13 +42972,13 @@ i think well,priests have the . yeah but maybe they're . i don't think it. mm. -i find this so wonderful because it's a catholic place. +i find this so wonderful because it's a catholic place. yes. and then to allow something like that, i think it's religion. yes i was pleased to hear it, but with . -ah,, he has complained now to the vatican that he , any more, because of, swiss the community doesn't give him the +ah,, he has complained now to the vatican that he , any more, because of, swiss the community doesn't give him the ah,, yes. -the side of the . +the side of the . no. they whittle every money from him. no, we @@ -43029,7 +42990,7 @@ i don't . why he complains to . he complains to the vatican. aha. -because to the pope because that's the only one is still can complain to, the other one is to him. +because to the pope because that's the only one is still can complain to, the other one is to him. ah yes, of course, yes, yes. i don't think he will be able to,like this for a long time. no, it's like . @@ -43044,8 +43005,8 @@ probably he's, he's not good looking . yeah. they have a little foot hole. what? -they and they live with . -we hear all types of stories about the . +they and they live with . +we hear all types of stories about the . , funny lot to have. do you like it? , not her. @@ -43054,7 +43015,7 @@ oh. why not? they're a great intelligence you know.. quite funny, they're really qu they're really funny. -we once had a neighbour who had and , i kept looking after that, that , and you know, i must say, i quite enjoyed it having . +we once had a neighbour who had and , i kept looking after that, that , and you know, i must say, i quite enjoyed it having . oh i had a lovely . yeah. , except for a, you know,. @@ -43066,10 +43027,10 @@ yeah. for someone took it . really? yeah, there was also, there was . -did she with her? +did she with her? she, she . really? -some everybody knew. +some everybody knew. how did you, how many hours did you take to come back? sure. yes. @@ -43082,24 +43043,24 @@ took me, i was, the,do doing all kind of roadwork on belgian and luxembourg high and i was stuck in luxembourg for at least half really? just it was twenty seven . -i just can't believe it, it friday. +i just can't believe it, it friday. yeah. it was doing alright. yes. cos i was driving with the window open. i know your landlady. -i bought you a bed, i bought you a chair and eh +i bought you a bed, i bought you a chair and eh no,. just for you, what? i wonder who . i hope she . -no there wasn't anyone after me . +no there wasn't anyone after me . no. no. does she have difficulties to people ? what about that ? aha. -what about your your friend from the north? +what about your your friend from the north? still see him? is he gone? no, i haven't seen him since the . @@ -43108,7 +43069,7 @@ i found swiss television really stupid, did you? aha. i really was disappointed. they're four years behind. -i really thought that, i did appreciate really, er, when i came back, that the english, the english is much better anything else, don't you think so? +i really thought that, i did appreciate really, er, when i came back, that the english, the english is much better anything else, don't you think so? that . not . not special. @@ -43127,8 +43088,8 @@ is it really? opera with . yeah. quite nice. -you know i saw nothing of the sort when i for a fortnight in a . -is now in, in ? +you know i saw nothing of the sort when i for a fortnight in a . +is now in, in ? no, not yet. not yet. still in brussels, yes? @@ -43137,7 +43098,7 @@ what about, what's the new man like? well we don't know very much. well he's there surely? no. -well he's still with a . +well he's still with a . you've obvious got no, there's no . but it is very,don't get along very well. @@ -43147,13 +43108,13 @@ any more they're er , doesn't talk any more . when there are some meetings or, he puts the reports on the desk of the secretary and . he's such a funny man. -what about wife? +what about wife? yes, she'd like to go? i don't know. i heard her . yes, very briefly. why? -it was the +it was the oh, is he, is he popular in this ? yes. yeah? @@ -43167,7 +43128,7 @@ no i don't think so. no. does, does . aha. -came with a, a i think . +came with a, a i think . aha. and eh, what of the other fellow ? yes, how is he? @@ -43176,7 +43137,7 @@ he is a perfectly created, because his father liked to go to . no. yes. but why in germany ? -i don't know, because they can i don't know. +i don't know, because they can i don't know. no, i don't know why. actually, it, it makes allusion to that's that . yes. @@ -43207,7 +43168,7 @@ go his own way. whoever has to listen to that,and then . yes. i hoped you forgive. -some are a competition, a snoring competition. +some are a competition, a snoring competition. if your father had ever fallen asleep. always. well, like that? @@ -43221,16 +43182,16 @@ yeah. yes, in august. she said nikita's earned so much, say i'll go round the world, you know the young ones. the old . -it's incredible i trouble. +it's incredible i trouble. yeah. yes we do. not to incredible place. -yes, so she just and she'd like to go and teach for a living,. +yes, so she just and she'd like to go and teach for a living,. language. one professor can. and i have some of her one of her neighbours who, where did you go, i went to mexico to study yes. -and now he's touring rome as well, took advantage of being left in mexico, travel all over south america and now i think he's going to do australia and . +and now he's touring rome as well, took advantage of being left in mexico, travel all over south america and now i think he's going to do australia and . really? okay. eat well. @@ -43240,19 +43201,19 @@ no i'll do that. no, no, no, i've forgot about it. can't we do it ? no, you know why? -cos i've and so i, i just yes. -you have the so badly. +cos i've and so i, i just yes. +you have the so badly. hello tape, what? one does forget it. yes. no. yes, try to. -it very funny cos i want to, yeah, because i i had such a study on, on united states many rating systems or , it'll into those houses like . +it very funny cos i want to, yeah, because i i had such a study on, on united states many rating systems or , it'll into those houses like . yes, i know him. -and so i, you know some people would have, why i don't know whether they on they're television so you can and check out what, what they want, whatever. +and so i, you know some people would have, why i don't know whether they on they're television so you can and check out what, what they want, whatever. i see, yes. -the is quite difficult to, to work it out and, and analysis these people, you know, when you don't want to see themselves watching people knowing them to watch dynasty or dallas or something, so they on purpose watch very interesting documentary . +the is quite difficult to, to work it out and, and analysis these people, you know, when you don't want to see themselves watching people knowing them to watch dynasty or dallas or something, so they on purpose watch very interesting documentary . yes. oh i know, no. but it's just . @@ -43261,7 +43222,7 @@ yeah, but, they're anyway numbered, what does it matter, you know, it's just a n i know,. what? yeah, well. -it, it has been , anyhow they're about having the thing and +it, it has been , anyhow they're about having the thing and so they don't really do it any more? and so, well they, sometimes do it,, because it's not very, always they're really on it. it. @@ -43274,7 +43235,7 @@ i know. i have , i have some. oh honey i . . -you're you can . +you're you can . yes. yes it's , that's about, i come from bru brussels, i . five, five or six. @@ -43295,7 +43256,7 @@ yes. there's a picture here of . yes, i know it's you've seen it, how often? -so why didn't , and then as well. +so why didn't , and then as well. yes, i think, i'd like to . it's stupid because i've never really ventured brittany, so i, i don't know brittany very well. @@ -43304,23 +43265,23 @@ so that's why i'd liked to go. aha, shall we . i saw it . there you are. -so, the house more this way, so the but still. -i mean you know you couldn't go five hundred on your left because you . +so, the house more this way, so the but still. +i mean you know you couldn't go five hundred on your left because you . aha. no. you . shall i? i don't know. -no i didn't +no i didn't i'll try one. not social at . really? no,. -and there was a big and eh, the farmer said i could have all of this, his wife wanted to , so i, i gathered amount towards wife. -she came, she, it's an awful lot of bother, you know, and erm, i but she said well i haven't got time to do it, if you take as well. +and there was a big and eh, the farmer said i could have all of this, his wife wanted to , so i, i gathered amount towards wife. +she came, she, it's an awful lot of bother, you know, and erm, i but she said well i haven't got time to do it, if you take as well. so i had so much. mhm. -that means you can see how long it lasted. +that means you can see how long it lasted. so , do you think? it's just here, how far down is it? very far down. @@ -43329,10 +43290,10 @@ mm, not very far. no. , it's the lowest point of the . the more northern point, is it? -the south the southern point. +the south the southern point. southern, what? it's the most southern point of the bridge. -it's the it's the last one . +it's the it's the last one . where would it be? so it's eight, number eight. well,. @@ -43344,7 +43305,7 @@ normandy are the one, two, three. yeah, and mm. i see, that . -aha seven years old . +aha seven years old . which one? no . seven years old. @@ -43375,7 +43336,7 @@ no, that can't be right then. , i think it's you have to count them. mm. page numbers,. -another stand out , yeah . +another stand out , yeah . why don't they put it on the ? that's the one. yes, i know , mm. @@ -43389,7 +43350,7 @@ ah,. no. no, i don't think, well, colour. that's nice. -it's yeah, but it might be just a , you know , you might . +it's yeah, but it might be just a , you know , you might . i don't think so, i think it's a . , and some in, inside town saturday night. mm. @@ -43402,7 +43363,7 @@ mhm. i think it's through the , it's difficult to lose them again now, i don't know, i don't know. if you always have, have to be careful, you know you're a bit used to a temper, you know . ah, they're not all the same . -no, no, well i think they are they are. +no, no, well i think they are they are. oh, i see, aha. , i wouldn't go there. no. @@ -43429,7 +43390,7 @@ is it? yeah. isn't it? here . -it would be nice in these places in as well, you know. +it would be nice in these places in as well, you know. only . is he? yeah. @@ -43444,15 +43405,15 @@ i haven't seen all this new area. that's on the . i see. that's right, see were the water is, it's right on this side. -it looks demolish it looks like a derelict place, in, ah what's, what's that on the ? +it looks demolish it looks like a derelict place, in, ah what's, what's that on the ? that's the sculpture they put up . is it all made up now? through there. is it all made up now? yeah. but i don't know if it's still there, is thing they put it in last year i think, but i . -i these boats , what's them? -that that's like a sculpture. +i these boats , what's them? +that that's like a sculpture. this? yes. oh, i see. @@ -43460,9 +43421,9 @@ oh, i see. no it's not that, that, you know, covers the whole water. yeah. would you like the last ? -no, i oh alright then, i have to . +no, i oh alright then, i have to . do you like the bread? -yes, it's very nice, yes. +yes, it's very nice, yes. it's alright? you know, i'm not that . that's what i wanted to get to you. @@ -43480,33 +43441,33 @@ you know, when i came in, i thought oh it's heaven. mm,i'd love to, but, mm . so anything i could offer that would be nice, oh she said i don't know, now , but i'll tell you when you come this afternoon and so that she told me there was around five or six o'clock and it was too late so i said well i'll go on monday morning, but they er were all closed on monday morning. -i know i think they're closed no. +i know i think they're closed no. i thought they would know , but they, they are closed at tw two o'clock in the afternoon, they open at two in the afternoon. do they? maybe in those galleries they do, i just don't, don't really know. i know the bakers . -it's like all the, you know, the office, and they said all of them were on the opening today, all, all the stores. +it's like all the, you know, the office, and they said all of them were on the opening today, all, all the stores. they have meat shops -they have about five in brussels. -no, there's one in and there's one across cafe in the gallery . +they have about five in brussels. +no, there's one in and there's one across cafe in the gallery . have you seen the one in the corner? the . no. -you have, on one side you have, romance with the music it's the record store. +you have, on one side you have, romance with the music it's the record store. yes. just on the other, across from it. -next to it, next to them, the record, you have cafe, and just across from cafe you know cafe. +next to it, next to them, the record, you have cafe, and just across from cafe you know cafe. oh, where, where it, i see. -where we where we met. +where we where we met. yes. -you have the, a little passage that goes through what is called mini cafe, and just there at the corner is a very big . +you have the, a little passage that goes through what is called mini cafe, and just there at the corner is a very big . really? ah, is that the ? forest. forest oh. forest. i've never gone there before. -did you know that yeah. +did you know that yeah. have they had many . sun is bright. so are you going ? @@ -43522,7 +43483,7 @@ i shall put some washing out. it's a ghastly colour isn't it? i know, i think a funny . ghastly colour. -did you buy the just buy them? +did you buy the just buy them? no,. i don't know . have more tea? @@ -43541,7 +43502,7 @@ no. no, i don't know, maybe. maybe you can just . i think it . -yes, yes i think i think it's a week minimum, i think it's a week minimum. +yes, yes i think i think it's a week minimum, i think it's a week minimum. is it? i think, but i'll ask for . erm, in the same place? @@ -43550,7 +43511,7 @@ yeah. so . well i don't think parish . . -so maybe do it again next year, but i think the offer is for this year. +so maybe do it again next year, but i think the offer is for this year. i suppose some place are nice, also the hotels are not, you know what i mean? no, i don't. we don't know that do we? @@ -43558,12 +43519,12 @@ yes, the trouble is , for pictures you can't really tell. what's that one? no. that looks pretty terrible. -really +really well i don't. can't be that, no. no, no, it's probably, it's probably a small little . it's here. -it's yes. +it's yes. look share . i don't . it's not on the , this is on the, that's on the , that's a . @@ -43617,24 +43578,24 @@ i'll tell you with, think what this number's what like this . how do they work? you have to count them from the first, this is one, one, two, three, four where do you find them? -four, this right there. +four, this right there. five,. -gosh it's so , yes of course it's there, well i'll just got right up and , you look for me down there, what did i think? +gosh it's so , yes of course it's there, well i'll just got right up and , you look for me down there, what did i think? of course it's . , that's it,, just there, this is . so it's, the numbers are right? -yes, but i mean, you have to, you not to not know that you have to count it from the first one doesn't matter. +yes, but i mean, you have to, you not to not know that you have to count it from the first one doesn't matter. but not to looks nice, but it's normandy, i don't . i would like to go too. to brittany, you told me. -oh in normandy you don't know, what did sing about, erm, oh fleur, oh fleur, yes, all , they're supposed to be long very beautiful. +oh in normandy you don't know, what did sing about, erm, oh fleur, oh fleur, yes, all , they're supposed to be long very beautiful. fleur . painted many . yeah. -that's a yeah. +that's a yeah. yeah. -i suppose isn't it? +i suppose isn't it? erm, to erm,. yeah. have you been there? @@ -43642,13 +43603,13 @@ no. no. is really shipping things, is shipping . yes it does look like, yeah, it doesn't look too dangerous. -just car ferry. +just car ferry. mhm. doesn't look it's an old . -i think it's good for you if you to you know. +i think it's good for you if you to you know. yeah. -what about st. raphael, can you take weekends there, if i weekend in st. raphael, and then go there? +what about st. raphael, can you take weekends there, if i weekend in st. raphael, and then go there? yes. can you? three days. @@ -43656,9 +43617,9 @@ mhm. are the prices there? yes. but we don't know what. -well i don't know what are. +well i don't know what are. the . -i think it's about how to take probably. +i think it's about how to take probably. well it's not very expensive. how much, i don't, i don't remember. she said , she said three thousand. @@ -43675,34 +43636,34 @@ belgium. but i don't think it's three thousand i thought it was four thousand. no, he said three, i know three's yes. -well my mother's is, is now. +well my mother's is, is now. yeah. she went, i don't know, somewhere in brittany i think. -yeah, aha, well she might stop there, if i know whether or not +yeah, aha, well she might stop there, if i know whether or not mhm, so she, will know already when she comes, she comes down, she's, she . she, she might, she's coming back . no. could you rely on her taste? -yes because so many different place, eh you know,hotel . +yes because so many different place, eh you know,hotel . yes. mm, i just had a map somewhere around . yes, it's under , it's under , but the one, i know, that she go to this place, ooh it's a yucky place, i don't know she went to . the one i do not , she went somewhere and . is it? -anyway, i think i shall take this she should know it as soon as yeah i think there's nothing you, you have to take a you know, nothing under three thousand, even that is cheap for days, isn't it? +anyway, i think i shall take this she should know it as soon as yeah i think there's nothing you, you have to take a you know, nothing under three thousand, even that is cheap for days, isn't it? even that that's so. -if you go to for a few days . +if you go to for a few days . we've come to stay as long as you like really, up to a week. up to a week? but i like it, i like to go to , yeah, i've got even friends there,, i don't know whether you know san ? yeah. he's, he's a friend of my friend isobel, well isobel doesn't know him that well. -i know which, i know she got married last year. +i know which, i know she got married last year. he, he yes , yeah, yeah. yes, i saw him. you know him? -alright he, he's probably down there with his wife and my friend and invited me down there to stay in her house but i don't think it's september actually, so i don't,some . +alright he, he's probably down there with his wife and my friend and invited me down there to stay in her house but i don't think it's september actually, so i don't,some . okay? alright. that's it. @@ -43713,13 +43674,13 @@ it's funny they have so many of these black , when you touch them it's . mm, now i won't . irish coffee. ah, yeah. -plain dessert chocolate per pound, chocolate, luxury chocolate, i don't know what that is, i . +plain dessert chocolate per pound, chocolate, luxury chocolate, i don't know what that is, i . , i know what luxury . yes . it's erm, for example,, you know the very dark ? ah yes, yes, that's good isn't it? that's nice. -i think that's, that's chocolate. +i think that's, that's chocolate. i see and what is ordinary cooking chocolate? i have no idea . eh? @@ -43731,7 +43692,7 @@ yeah, but it's good, i know, i like . and when you touch it you get don't you, you just can't help it though. it's rather stupid to have a fat dinner in a cookery book, what? i know. -, no , no well pages already. +, no , no well pages already. eh, he felt his erm, yeah. have a look. oh. @@ -43741,8 +43702,8 @@ i'm not sure, she said she came yesterday yeah. but they still have a lot of . -yeah yeah. -you just have to take eh? +yeah yeah. +you just have to take eh? that's very much better . . brussel sprouts . @@ -43755,18 +43716,18 @@ it's not that you can't. lovely eh?it's, eh, man, man,you know. mulled wine,. . -yeah, but what is it in french, eh? +yeah, but what is it in french, eh? yes, right. spice, he have to take spice . looks nice all that stuff. -i can that . +i can that . home made . -like at lunch. +like at lunch. you know she's , i think she got it from a very good chef she said somewhere. stop it, you want . ah. . -yeah, some others are nice it looks already a, you know, it looks already old fashioned +yeah, some others are nice it looks already a, you know, it looks already old fashioned yeah. doesn't it? have very good, eh,. @@ -43775,8 +43736,8 @@ the store, yes, i have to . are you coming? yes. it's so funny, eh, ah, that's emma's, i took yesterday, i don't know where to put it. -i have a, a you know, which was too full, too thick, too full, so i thought i, i open a bit and took it out, so i have to find a place for it.. -so, we haven't got any apples, we have to get , in any case coffee reminds how much, coffee as well. +i have a, a you know, which was too full, too thick, too full, so i thought i, i open a bit and took it out, so i have to find a place for it.. +so, we haven't got any apples, we have to get , in any case coffee reminds how much, coffee as well. , you know, are you . necessary ingredient . i forget the stuff. @@ -43795,8 +43756,8 @@ yes. yes and quite hard. well it starts quite hard. yes. -so that's all the trouble you know. -washing is not much but the drying is the +so that's all the trouble you know. +washing is not much but the drying is the yes have you got a drying machine? no. @@ -43819,17 +43780,17 @@ hang it out . oops! oh no! all right bring this. -i tell you what i saw that coming. +i tell you what i saw that coming. i put it here. it's stupid anyway. let me see. -it's so much easier than when i have things already together. +it's so much easier than when i have things already together. ah what comes next? that? then big things. yes. these? -no big things first so i can we put it here? +no big things first so i can we put it here? oh but it's so wound it's taking me a lot of time outside. oh it is that one @@ -43838,7 +43799,7 @@ that that now that. you can take and now these things huh? -this and that that thing now the because we are not supposed to iron them too much. +this and that that thing now the because we are not supposed to iron them too much. there we go. there we go. laugh @@ -43847,7 +43808,7 @@ wait wait. thank you. there we go. ah. -yeah all right? +yeah all right? that's it. that's it. waiting for good weather. @@ -43857,18 +43818,18 @@ do you want to go now or should i what shall we do? what ever you want. straightens. -you know we can't we may just as well go. +you know we can't we may just as well go. shall we? i think so. we might as when does it close at? five thirty -it's two thirty or we go now or we go in about an hour but we can't go later i should think, can we? +it's two thirty or we go now or we go in about an hour but we can't go later i should think, can we? no, not later than three thirty or shall we go at three thirty? yes we can do that. i should go, coming do you want to read a bit? yes i'll just -all right come here and i shan't be all right. +all right come here and i shan't be all right. i tidy up here and then we go. i won't take long who phone up to to fit windows and and so on and so on. @@ -43883,7 +43844,7 @@ well you coming today? oh no we wan't both. so i said well no um er er i shall be by myself. they say well no we would like to have it's nice to have both. -so i said well you will just have to be content with me because you'll because my husband has no time. +so i said well you will just have to be content with me because you'll because my husband has no time. so that's it so he did come. but some what is it for? @@ -43895,7 +43856,7 @@ because we have to have another door so they giving me a third off. i shan't take it if it's something i don't like you know even if they give it free. so i just did, thursday morning let me not forget. yeah -anyway you its funny he wanted to insist that my husband should be there and i said i can decide don't worry. +anyway you its funny he wanted to insist that my husband should be there and i said i can decide don't worry. i get the costs and then meet you to my husband and he still wanted . well they think they loose time if it's only a woman you see? mm mm @@ -43917,7 +43878,7 @@ yes what is that. that is a contemporary is it colour -ah because there is a as well isn't there huh? +ah because there is a as well isn't there huh? ya. yes and he painted and it was @@ -43931,7 +43892,7 @@ does he sell? i think he does in his place? i think he does. -i see who decides who accepts things. +i see who decides who accepts things. experts. how many? over in zurich? @@ -43974,12 +43935,12 @@ not always. also can have beautiful little miniature. mm can't you? -which are classically beautiful and, what's that ah there's another one isn't it? +which are classically beautiful and, what's that ah there's another one isn't it? ya he's a sort of a friendly painter? hm hm what? yes. -he was born in was he? +he was born in was he? hmm fifty thousand. ah i wish i had that money. @@ -44017,7 +43978,7 @@ uh huh. so that's no problem is it? no there is some -i ask him why he did it he said oh well he has such a long name such a very long name spoils the picture +i ask him why he did it he said oh well he has such a long name such a very long name spoils the picture but he can put it he can put it on the back yeah alright i just i don't know why he doesn't. he didn't give me satisfactory answer he said oh i'll think of it @@ -44041,7 +44002,7 @@ because he doesn't like it anymore? or yes that's one thing because he doesn't like it anymore or he might have had a a problem with selling it to someone or something and just to take revenge or something he says yes it's never been mine . -you wouldn't be would you? +you wouldn't be would you? no you've never seen another one like that, no yes @@ -44050,7 +44011,7 @@ ya he's a bit mystical isn't he? mmm. nice huh huh. -i think he's probably the most would you not say so? +i think he's probably the most would you not say so? yes indeed. i think he is. is he always @@ -44061,12 +44022,12 @@ that's a very beautiful . very very. that's him. yeah. -another sales another let's see what he says. +another sales another let's see what he says. this old man made now that woman ring. er supervisor and so on. she again said when will you have that's stupid -she's all right we'll come it's thursday and then we will show you in you and your husband and i said no not my husband you better leave it you know. +she's all right we'll come it's thursday and then we will show you in you and your husband and i said no not my husband you better leave it you know. that's right she said no it's how you wish. i said no @@ -44080,8 +44041,8 @@ no well you see they just don't think that somebody can decide and who will who' you know. probably they think i am a chamber maid here. it's it's rather pathetic. -why -or the mistress who buys the +why +or the mistress who buys the i really don't fall. have you seen? why do they bother? @@ -44105,7 +44066,7 @@ we decide together. patrick doesn't know for you know one log from another. much more he's no clue anyway. -so and he will ask questions and if i don't know how to answer them i'll have to +so and he will ask questions and if i don't know how to answer them i'll have to phone again phone and ask them yes. oh that was really funny . @@ -44113,8 +44074,8 @@ ta would be a third one now you wait. yes she said if all consultants managers directors and so you know. now a consultant will come she said. -oh they have titles before they know anything -they can keep their bloody door so have you been in ? +oh they have titles before they know anything +they can keep their bloody door so have you been in ? no it's a very boring town. oh. @@ -44124,7 +44085,7 @@ army and navy. you know these shops? no you know they all have the same thing. -so exactly the same brands same things. +so exactly the same brands same things. if you can't find it in one you find it in another but it is all the same thing. it's all you know another thing i can really ask technical questions. @@ -44137,7 +44098,7 @@ hmm? it's true you know? mm -this sort of and then your mind you. +this sort of and then your mind you. . it's not raining now i could have put everything out. put it out now. it is quite clear @@ -44151,10 +44112,10 @@ mm you know what i mean? there just isn't mm -because but they are very good all rounders. +because but they are very good all rounders. most of them. you know? -for but everything is so so not wholly satisfactory so i'm just scared to have them in the house. +for but everything is so so not wholly satisfactory so i'm just scared to have them in the house. i am always disappointed. that's why i take so long over it. have you seen uh the noise you you the toilet handle makes? @@ -44165,7 +44126,7 @@ yes you notice? no i haven't noticed. i'm surprised. -so okay i haven't seen i must have a tiny little book. +so okay i haven't seen i must have a tiny little book. book here. are they printed? let me see. @@ -44174,7 +44135,7 @@ are they? hmm. does he know it's really -i know it's really but i don't know whether they have a casino there. +i know it's really but i don't know whether they have a casino there. they do what? really? @@ -44185,12 +44146,12 @@ it's nice too. it's beautiful. it's in yeah it's really wonderful. -why at the same time? +why at the same time? ah that one. no. -you have one +you have one yes. -kevin is a really well known no? +kevin is a really well known no? why? oh no no that's because those are pictures it's like a chapter. yeah but this is @@ -44199,17 +44160,17 @@ oh i see. see? it's a new chapter yes a new chapter -because here is another gosh isn't it good? +because here is another gosh isn't it good? very good do you know isobel's godmother has it? -it's another don't think it's that? +it's another don't think it's that? no. he's also who? one in france. -he's swiss but hew lives in france and this yeah well he too. +he's swiss but hew lives in france and this yeah well he too. don't think it matters for a . -oh i like him +oh i like him it's incredible. hm! quite ugly those @@ -44225,7 +44186,7 @@ even that even the one next to it yes? close -how it you see this. +how it you see this. oh i see. . isn't she voluptuous? this one here. @@ -44246,14 +44207,14 @@ aren't you lucky. all of those. yes i have to carry them all over the place. no? -i had to get to them through the once you get to them -isn't one the sort of the young up-coming expensive. +i had to get to them through the once you get to them +isn't one the sort of the young up-coming expensive. no? you only take established. eh? yes you do? -this is one john. +this is one john. he's not expensive here. oh i don't like him.. oh that's terrible @@ -44265,7 +44226,7 @@ yeah ugh! but i don't like his face terrible terrible -the boy is nice open eyes +the boy is nice open eyes wagner wagner. do you @@ -44304,7 +44265,7 @@ i don't like so much street ah mm scenes. streets? no i don't don't know why. hmm hmm -i think i have been you know. +i think i have been you know. mmm mm i hate it yeah i used to like it so much. @@ -44312,31 +44273,31 @@ oh! i can't stand it i like it. you can't? -there are so many on sale on sale +there are so many on sale on sale are they? at christies in london all the time. every impressionists sales yeah -i think there are like pictures they sell on doesn't +i think there are like pictures they sell on doesn't that's why they don't sell any more? -well no they don't +well no they don't they don't? well some do some do -well i remember i like to take a while i can't stand the most of them. +well i remember i like to take a while i can't stand the most of them. so that's nice. yes -oh that's him isn't it?? +oh that's him isn't it?? mm mm yes. isobel has quite a few ah mm picture book. -you know i love. +you know i love. you happen to have you have some of those? yes yes they're nice aren't they. yeah -it's all this his colours and these that's quite nice. +it's all this his colours and these that's quite nice. no? -i can oh i'd love that you know? +i can oh i'd love that you know? i'd love a mountain. this is actually black crayon. yes @@ -44373,7 +44334,7 @@ one and you always made yeah there's a beautiful -do you always this is very sensimental. +do you always this is very sensimental. i like it you know he's like a parent isn't he? yeah yes @@ -44386,15 +44347,15 @@ ah how much? not even that much. it's really beautiful.. -there's a very nice exhibit in until august of all his work -why in ? which -in centre +there's a very nice exhibit in until august of all his work +why in ? which +in centre centre i see yeah. and reproduced. that will be no not that because it's private -for many for that you will see yourself. +for many for that you will see yourself. i thought he was swiss in here it says innes. innes is in switzerland. is it? @@ -44421,7 +44382,7 @@ yeah. mmm he painted this quite differently from from the painter but from the thing. the farmers are from the way he paints farmers. that's another of him. -hmm yeah they have, i recognise them you know? +hmm yeah they have, i recognise them you know? there can be so much love huh hmm hmm so much respect no? @@ -44471,7 +44432,7 @@ what? they are already how old are they? posters? nineteen twenty four. -yeah of course nice posters are also very very very. +yeah of course nice posters are also very very very. all nineteen twenty four the one which is going must be going to fetch a lot this the one with the hat. back there. @@ -44488,7 +44449,7 @@ because its so good? yeah must be quite rare. said uhmm yeah it's -a work are quite looked for. +a work are quite looked for. really? because they had a good artist. @@ -44504,11 +44465,11 @@ take this one also. by far the most expensive. i know this one. very stylish -at home we have one done by those there by +at home we have one done by those there by yes yes and i was so sad because it's it was some water went on it. so all the time you can see that water on it. -it's too bad because i think we could have fetched about five thousand swiss francs for it. +it's too bad because i think we could have fetched about five thousand swiss francs for it. well there are here about two two between two and three. why should you have five? because it's a nice farm it's a very nice . @@ -44517,7 +44478,7 @@ who put it together? this? er the printer yeah? you -i did the catalogue so i looked all the information up with through the three to do that. +i did the catalogue so i looked all the information up with through the three to do that. yeah a lot of work and then we give it to the printer yeah and he @@ -44538,7 +44499,7 @@ sometimes you can but not always 'cause you have different kind of canvases yes and er -ah i'm not sure whether i like him +ah i'm not sure whether i like him no he's also very well he's very old fashioned. yes @@ -44567,7 +44528,7 @@ so well framed in . frame looks like you have white glazing on a yeah yeah. very fine lines -yes i have been to la fete in seventies. +yes i have been to la fete in seventies. ah huh. nice? very nice. @@ -44606,7 +44567,7 @@ oh one of the big one huge one. yes? it's very beautiful because it has gorgon that's called it's i've forgot it what? -i never seen a radiator what? +i never seen a radiator what? where is it? the whole thing a gorgon no not the whole thing. @@ -44645,14 +44606,14 @@ yes i suppose so. unclear yes? not always. sometimes they were sold in shops as a special limimited edition. -just as a swatch collector's . +just as a swatch collector's . yes really. i mean now exactly we send out about dunno how many letters to ask if they have anything to sell. so we the whole collection since eighty three. when did it start eighty three eighty three sure? yeah. -yeah you have any they have the whole thousands? +yeah you have any they have the whole thousands? no not thousands but yeah hundreds? yes hundreds @@ -44684,7 +44645,7 @@ yes this is twenty five yes. see and this is thirty seven. -but why +but why they'll they'll be too late ah it is written here. i'm sorry yes @@ -44705,7 +44666,7 @@ no i almost thought that too. and then i have the jelly fish which is the totally transparent one mmm mm -the problem it's very expensive when it doesn't say swatch and it's all white nothing so it's just a swatch and so on it's probably not as much +the problem it's very expensive when it doesn't say swatch and it's all white nothing so it's just a swatch and so on it's probably not as much have you seen it? yeah i haven't seen any of them @@ -44726,14 +44687,14 @@ two years hah! it must have cost a lot at the start but they but they are all the same huh? -no but those you couldn't buy like that. -this was a is an artist who made a special limited edition of them +no but those you couldn't buy like that. +this was a is an artist who made a special limited edition of them yeah and where do you buy them? i don't know. probably you could buy them some stores have them for maybe a week or so. they were all sold i dunno. no? -there's in switzerland and +there's in switzerland and i see but they must have cost a lot yes? @@ -44742,13 +44703,13 @@ as what? well they are exactly the same size as the others i know but you know we have a serie limit edition is full up. -during swatch watches +during swatch watches did he? yes no i didn't know. hmm hmm in belgium they were what did they look like? -they were all kind of silk covers with the painting in the middle +they were all kind of silk covers with the painting in the middle huh huh and the they cost at that time the swatch costed about one thousand three hundred thousand francs and they costed about two thousand eight hundred i think ah huh did they? @@ -44764,7 +44725,7 @@ ah huh . it's that one which just with the tiger in gold no more? no and i saw it and i thought ah i saw it in zurich. -i'll get that i like it so it's er i didn't +i'll get that i like it so it's er i didn't that i know how but i bought it you got? at easter time yes i bought it at easter time @@ -44772,15 +44733,15 @@ ah you've got it? and then i amd they said i think that one is worth something and you have the men? hmm hmm -and the men the woman as +and the men the woman as mm mm yes -have you seen yeah? +have you seen yeah? yes yes? rather nice? yeah but -and the one's too late i like that one too and i wanted to buy it as +and the one's too late i like that one too and i wanted to buy it as i've never seen do you think every country gets different ones? yes no well some countries don't get all @@ -44795,18 +44756,18 @@ no? which was only made for export. do you think a lot of people buy watches? yes -yes a lot of makes then there can't be very much left. +yes a lot of makes then there can't be very much left. well the market is quite large do you think? -well i managed a collect a small very decorative. -i see forty thousand in how many years? +well i managed a collect a small very decorative. +i see forty thousand in how many years? two years. two years!? yes i cannot cost forty thousand i mean the one who bought that you know he must laugh now. -why should we +why should we and i would be very happy you know and things like that do you really think it's that much money @@ -44819,9 +44780,9 @@ i have no idea. 'tis nice 'tis maybe over estimated too i see yeah -ya so that if the goes up to thirty thousand the reserve might be large enough to give it to sell it for that price. +ya so that if the goes up to thirty thousand the reserve might be large enough to give it to sell it for that price. for example sometimes they overestimate certain works of art and you wonder you know during the sale you see it's estimated forty to fifty thousand so you think they'll never give it to you for less. -sometimes a gets up to thirty and then they give it to the person +sometimes a gets up to thirty and then they give it to the person yeah it depends then one wonders why. it's just because or they over estimated it or it's the price you know @@ -44836,13 +44797,13 @@ or it that last time? nine do you like that? would you ever like that? -must be for you too +must be for you too not the one with lowry. no why not? very big wouldn't you wear it? no i don't think so -i think that will put your +i think that will put your that should be good for you. really flowery can i need a hat with it? @@ -44851,12 +44812,12 @@ no? go over the top? yeah you can do that at home you know. -with sudden house comings or something you can really get to be very sober and you would love to explode huh? +with sudden house comings or something you can really get to be very sober and you would love to explode huh? yeah you could do it wear colours like that at home could you not? hmm hmm. hm. -colours are very +colours are very wild jeans no? wouldn't you like that? yeah that's sure sure @@ -44873,7 +44834,7 @@ nice . would you? there's a you know picture. -there's a very nice i would like crazy hats not plain +there's a very nice i would like crazy hats not plain not plain. no if you have a plain lady she'd give you looks then it's nice hmm hmm @@ -44881,7 +44842,7 @@ if its very if it's very plain. but i love our country. i love our country. well i just -i think i'll work in a summer +i think i'll work in a summer well why don't you? here you can really eat your heart and no body will look round why don't you? i should @@ -44925,7 +44886,7 @@ well it's it's these the model i thought you were what? i would put up a huge -that would have been rather but i come out here but i cannot see you know you can just just get them i seen some in that +that would have been rather but i come out here but i cannot see you know you can just just get them i seen some in that yes ah yes house you know for a few pence. go and get one. @@ -44944,7 +44905,7 @@ we're going to sing today it doesn't say it doesn't say? it says outside maybe we come out together -make it wait where no +make it wait where no it doesn't say six times twentyfive o'clock. uh huh that means @@ -44961,7 +44922,7 @@ every day? every day. oh no. well i'm not every day that i eat the double. -yeah you can just say very nice something. +yeah you can just say very nice something. yeah you can just say i like the i think we did well to buying bread @@ -44975,9 +44936,9 @@ it's this pocket. where should i put the mince? up here. no no i have a place for the mince as yet. -i can't get my in. +i can't get my in. so. -ah +ah so these buns where am i? they're a little ah there's too much are they crumbly? @@ -44992,7 +44953,7 @@ well let's put them back in safe place oh no no stop it so where are they?one of these salads -and you come here sainsburys with or +and you come here sainsburys with or yes so much nicer you really think so? @@ -45008,7 +44969,7 @@ no nothing like it where are the courgette? courgette right here thank you there's another lettuce here. -another lettuce then courgette never had so much but i really adore them in the maybe that's i have such a small treat you see that's +another lettuce then courgette never had so much but i really adore them in the maybe that's i have such a small treat you see that's not to eat not to eat that for rice and things. that's a cold remedy. @@ -45022,33 +44983,33 @@ the orange i haven't got much more room. this one oh yes -this one that's one but don't know if you have to mackerels +this one that's one but don't know if you have to mackerels that's it. you haven't got any rices ah yes that must go in yes and that's potatoes and onions to go in it that's it i suppose that's all? onions go in what is this garlic? -yeah well that's i that up. +yeah well that's i that up. pack the bag oh! -the table's these i put these here. +the table's these i put these here. usually what what's the matter with me. -i am not usually so uh they are my little potatoes. +i am not usually so uh they are my little potatoes. looks like a jersey. you see? yes -so we shall have mashed potatoes this is for mashed potatoes. +so we shall have mashed potatoes this is for mashed potatoes. do you like mashed potatoes? yeah -okay you have to remember +okay you have to remember oh! mushrooms ah yes they have to go in no no i'll makes something tonight ah yes -since i'm ooh! +since i'm ooh! where the meat has to go? i really feel relaxed yes? @@ -45065,11 +45026,11 @@ i really don't know oh i hope it's a good sign yes i'm sure it is. -because i think i shall write much better then you're too bottled up. +because i think i shall write much better then you're too bottled up. yes don't you? yes. -yes i think yes i tell myself it's not the end of my life you know +yes i think yes i tell myself it's not the end of my life you know it is oh no you have to think i'll do well not in evening no not the end of your life @@ -45093,23 +45054,23 @@ yeah? yeah. it is very friendly. all right -yes i see i just do it you know just out here. +yes i see i just do it you know just out here. no but no gosh! -last week i had to put my night dress into so it was all white +last week i had to put my night dress into so it was all white it was all white because that burnt fingers wouldn't come off -and i laughed and laughed and laughed and i put it in and you know what happened then. +and i laughed and laughed and laughed and i put it in and you know what happened then. oh we have more chinese in seven yes. we choose seven -they last a day when they're old look my mother what they really last a day. +they last a day when they're old look my mother what they really last a day. stephan help yourself. the rose bush was not was not pruned this year so i doubt if we're going to have many flowers. but there are. see look! look at this just one rose. but they just whither very quickly. -so whether to leave but that sort is waiting. +so whether to leave but that sort is waiting. look macho. yes? ooh! @@ -45146,14 +45107,14 @@ where is he working? mm? can't remember which one hmm? -one of those old ones +one of those old ones yeah in london or in brussels or? no here. -yeah hmm hmm yes it's always a difficult subject. +yeah hmm hmm yes it's always a difficult subject. it's a most it is not an international subject. but there is such a thing as international law there is but i mean it is -and more and more people chooses more and more +and more and more people chooses more and more hmm but there's military service mm mm @@ -45161,7 +45122,7 @@ mm mm yeah. it's going to be um been to his grandmother's flat near your place hmm hm -near the other side of the motorway. +near the other side of the motorway. what is it called? westland? hmm mm. @@ -45183,8 +45144,8 @@ hmm hmm she wants to take over hmm hmm floor you know you had a middle floor. -move in there but let her stand -probably has because of the staircases for old people +move in there but let her stand +probably has because of the staircases for old people yeah they can't manage the staircase i don't know how she could manage the stairs @@ -45250,7 +45211,7 @@ no of course not it helps yes but heavens you know you'll never climb with that and you'll never climb the stairs no? -of course not dear me! +of course not dear me! some coffee? yes i do very much some coffee hmm yes @@ -45264,14 +45225,14 @@ one should finish it come on no thank you if patrick doesn't want i can't eat it i don't think so he had a big lunch oh -not much to finish oh! -all my ah we have to still tell patrick about haven't we? +not much to finish oh! +all my ah we have to still tell patrick about haven't we? about? yes because he really wants to know. what? are they to leave? yes yes -have you vegetables +have you vegetables no no no no really really? @@ -45282,7 +45243,7 @@ okay. patrick you know where i would like to go and look at this thing we have to whose that? hmm? -we have to give an answer. +we have to give an answer. what's that? about this holiday you know this arrangement which arrangement? @@ -45298,7 +45259,7 @@ i really would no i'd rather a fortnight in bromley would do me splendidly hmm? i would rather -buying and they finished off +buying and they finished off you can buy them one day and bring them back the next i really would if i had a choice i would stay here well you haven't got the choice @@ -45318,7 +45279,7 @@ no oh when? at six. yes?supper? -no +no but you don't put on weight so there. well i don't know. no. @@ -45333,7 +45294,7 @@ who cooked there? i think. it was that's when i just came back from switzerland i think. not very much -but she wasn't with you? +but she wasn't with you? yes ah yes i thought yes @@ -45341,14 +45302,14 @@ ould rather stay here no patrick where would you would you mind to go to ? oh i don't want to go to what else then? -well i mean just look at the map you're you're going to and then you're going to . +well i mean just look at the map you're you're going to and then you're going to . well i don't mind. -oh certainly not i'm staying at or the i am not traipsing across france. +oh certainly not i'm staying at or the i am not traipsing across france. no? oh! i don't want to spend a fortnight on the road. well i do. -waht do you want to go to for? +waht do you want to go to for? but i it's miles it's miles away it doesn't matter @@ -45369,8 +45330,8 @@ no still in early september? when it's sort of at at -lyon will be alright then the might be all right but right over on the italian branch it might be all right mmm yes -yes +lyon will be alright then the might be all right but right over on the italian branch it might be all right mmm yes +yes i am not going up to never i am no. @@ -45393,11 +45354,11 @@ ah who wants to go to montu you know the peoples ah you know if i'm going to the south of france i want to stay there for awhile ah no! -yes i don't want to france is enormous country. +yes i don't want to france is enormous country. i know i don't want to spend my time travelling don't you remember the last time it was so beautiful going across across at home. -it was really beautiful i shall go alone +it was really beautiful i shall go alone this coffee kathy? no i'm afraid not. i'd like to @@ -45408,7 +45369,7 @@ i think we should have different holidays. you know he's entitled to his holidays but i don't want to sit and read newspapers no thank you. oh! -this is in your travelling around +this is in your travelling around yes well he does don't you @@ -45420,11 +45381,11 @@ to la borg. i'm not rushing to la borg anymore. yes well you see? he rushes to la borg and that's also in italy -yes well they think cannot be as far enough +yes well they think cannot be as far enough hmm hmm overlap -eating eating all day long overlap -from place to the from another to the and backwards again +eating eating all day long overlap +from place to the from another to the and backwards again it's very nice walks through through the merryland really? to ah to . @@ -45478,13 +45439,13 @@ why not? no. well you can spend some days on the cote d'azure i don't mind for about two three days -go +go well yes why not? -no no +no no very nice very sure strong hmm? -but the coffee did you buy it in bromley? +but the coffee did you buy it in bromley? yes. i just want it no no i'd like that small one. may be i will eat only half of it. @@ -45501,12 +45462,12 @@ not too bad mmm i have very little though. i am also being careful. no i think i have half. -you don't have to to watch out scones. +you don't have to to watch out scones. where is scones? no not too many miles hmm don't think we've ever been in -large belt large belt of the community in easterly +large belt large belt of the community in easterly hmm it's beautiful and the team is a frontier town no, it's not @@ -45544,7 +45505,7 @@ quite what? the best french cider is cider sold by sainsburys one that i've drunk. well, i'm not a cider expert. -i like and the others. +i like and the others. i really liked it. i loved to go back well you can go back @@ -45556,7 +45517,7 @@ i'm going to blow really? oh you had better stop can't -just give me a week to have in here. +just give me a week to have in here. you don't have a coffee to be going on? hmm? with the soda @@ -45579,7 +45540,7 @@ that's six i don't know. we're very reluctant to have to take three weeks holiday. will you? overlap very i mean overlap -we've got five weeks discouraged from taking more than a fortnight at a time. +we've got five weeks discouraged from taking more than a fortnight at a time. hmm hmm. in belgium many people do take three weeks at a time really? @@ -45589,12 +45550,12 @@ really? yes. you do come back with somebody sitting they live for like one holiday which is the summer holiday to stay away you know? -i just come back +i just come back perhaps when they come back they've got six months you know they've got a month's work on their hands. i know. some else's sitting at their desk? -well not you know cleaning so i don't know what kind of work they do. -oh well if you're here that's all right +well not you know cleaning so i don't know what kind of work they do. +oh well if you're here that's all right door you know yes did you tell patrick? you don't want to tell? @@ -45637,11 +45598,11 @@ anybody they are in the area you know as they always say and ah sorry we need a hmm hmm and then they say when can we come? and it was an old gentleman. -such nice somebody and then i thought of ah i thought of that door yes all right let's +such nice somebody and then i thought of ah i thought of that door yes all right let's which door? the back door here you know we had to replace it really. really? -never yes so i thought let them come and they wanted you to be there and then i couldn't rid of i just couldn't get them to change their minds you know they just wanted you there and i said +never yes so i thought let them come and they wanted you to be there and then i couldn't rid of i just couldn't get them to change their minds you know they just wanted you there and i said when do they want me there? well when they come ah when @@ -45649,14 +45610,14 @@ when they come on saturdays, sundays evenings anytime and i said no come you kno well we usually like to be there well i'm afraid or that i'm going to say no we're not paying -well they really don't want to come huh? +well they really don't want to come huh? they don't want to do the job and then a lady called back five minutes later just explain the man a man this an elderly man said oh well so i said all right you leave it my husband has no time either you come i shall be alone hmm hmm very well i said well yes my husband is there or not be there. yes -i mean all right and i just ticked him off. +i mean all right and i just ticked him off. why should i lie? so i said no no er he won't be there and he said okay. you can always leave it if you think it's not worth your while don't don't come. @@ -45666,10 +45627,10 @@ are they replacing the door? i believe there's not wasted. and then i believe takes someone else supervisor hmm -and er then she said if she you know i have them and i said no i told her all right we'll be seeing you and +and er then she said if she you know i have them and i said no i told her all right we'll be seeing you and your husband and i said no exactly -well i i i'm tell them to get on with it. +well i i i'm tell them to get on with it. yes i know but they don't they won't have it they didn't want to understand that just er just a woman @@ -45677,7 +45638,7 @@ yes but if you change your mind you see there's but so would you why can't you change your mind? well it's the two out three men dislike it. -well i said listen if you don't want to come please don't so i'm not sure whether they do she said yes yes we'll come nothing er erm what did they say nothing comes in between so +well i said listen if you don't want to come please don't so i'm not sure whether they do she said yes yes we'll come nothing er erm what did they say nothing comes in between so never did yes i don't care. @@ -45687,13 +45648,13 @@ there's this woman there and then they say up yes i tell you what i know which one? hmm? -well it's nigel hawthorne,miss saigon one of those. +well it's nigel hawthorne,miss saigon one of those. what are the others? i'd like to know. -mercedes raw lost in yonkers miss saigon wins +mercedes raw lost in yonkers miss saigon wins yes and the other man there. your cafe's in the south -ah maybe yes he may be the you know that's it. +ah maybe yes he may be the you know that's it. i think that's him. he was he was the best did you see miss saigon? @@ -45715,20 +45676,20 @@ yeah and if you go in and think it's like all the other museums you have charts hmm but when you think which madam butterfly's scene you know yeah -marrying inside vietnam going to shine up for his . +marrying inside vietnam going to shine up for his . i'd love to touch it. oh i'd love to go back to for a chat there are many in england there are quite a few you know no i know in camden town there are some very nice -yeah erm it's it's a very well known supplier mm any it appears that it a way a way to get in. +yeah erm it's it's a very well known supplier mm any it appears that it a way a way to get in. i think to get a good place hmm you have to give the doorman a ten pound note or something to get a nice place you know hmm hmm so you have to know that -they have a rally in brussels starting last week +they have a rally in brussels starting last week really? but not this weekend but weekend before or is it june twenty five i don't remember did you go? @@ -45742,12 +45703,12 @@ on the grand place but they play all over brussels and so you can take the bus f never! and you go all over. they've done this for that three years now and they -they do something they manage with such +they do something they manage with such one night one even where they going? yes i think it that's in august -yeah and you roam again +yeah and you roam again yes it's on second and the fourth of july is it ohh! are you still ? @@ -45770,7 +45731,7 @@ hmm hmm charles the fifth's sister? yes and and your brothers participate too? -no well doesn't this year and michelle probably he doesn't either because he's on holiday at +no well doesn't this year and michelle probably he doesn't either because he's on holiday at but he has? but yes they and these roles are are occupied by the same people every year ? @@ -45785,20 +45746,20 @@ is it? it's quite well it's fun because i you know the people and you see them once or twice a year and it's it's nice to see them back and talk yes but the procession for us is like the most boring thing because we we just walk on the grand place for about five minutes -you don't go round +you don't go round and then we sit hmm hmm no no? -no we only start from the grand place and then we sit on the there's a big escarpment on the and then we sit there +no we only start from the grand place and then we sit on the there's a big escarpment on the and then we sit there hmm hmm -so and it's and most every every single year there's something different but very little. +so and it's and most every every single year there's something different but very little. i see. and so ah huh we know colour goes out of your wig or something? -something like that or one they put in that wasn't there or some +something like that or one they put in that wasn't there or some uh huh . i've never seen it. something like that or yes @@ -45819,7 +45780,7 @@ no i'm fine thank you. ah huh. a reception? yeah -with erm what is near +with erm what is near funny it's on the tip of my tongue yes i know which one you mean there on the corner @@ -45840,13 +45801,13 @@ you think it's plastic? yes i think it is. yes. yeah you know you know they feel different you know. -erm erm they feel different you know i have some? +erm erm they feel different you know i have some? this is this is yes -i sometimes one may be i'm completely wrong +i sometimes one may be i'm completely wrong i never thought of it was plastic yeah -there might be some very you know i don't know +there might be some very you know i don't know i don't know but then frankly thinking but then i got them in the end you know i just didn't sell them because nobody paid that much and then ah in the outset and i paid quite a big price for for two for patrick and me and then when they were they they dropped the price and then i got some more. ah huh you know what i mean? @@ -45905,7 +45866,7 @@ i almost flee from the table what you feel so? no mm? -you given place in switzerland they think it's quite +you given place in switzerland they think it's quite you're old fashioned? yeah ah yes but this is not meant to be old fashioned. @@ -45948,14 +45909,14 @@ it doesn't like not to me but, except maybe this this thing but not so material. oh look at him is that a bat? mm mm -oo that sounds the devils +oo that sounds the devils oh no no no this is diable po yeah it is i can see. yeah a that's his full name. is it? that's his no no that's his real name. -the way he was like his artist's name. +the way he was like his artist's name. hmm. that seems like a christies' mansion isn't it that? @@ -45980,7 +45941,7 @@ ireland. yorkshire. we had one in granny's home. in cheshire. -fellow of the royal what's that like insurance. +fellow of the royal what's that like insurance. i don't know. it looks a royal institute of chartered surveyors. that's it. @@ -46039,7 +46000,7 @@ then poof. i have to wait and see how i'm going to to do further. what you know. yeah. -because i have to structure while i'm writing i you know so i'm structuring while and i can't write as well. +because i have to structure while i'm writing i you know so i'm structuring while and i can't write as well. you only structure? i think that's a good idea er to structure before you plan make a plan before you start. yeah @@ -46048,14 +46009,14 @@ yeah it is better. no i well i planned a little bit but even if i plan i still can't write it. -yeah yeah yeah and you know what until i get started takes long for me and then i usually can get going you know but until i keep going or sometimes somebody and i say that's it! +yeah yeah yeah and you know what until i get started takes long for me and then i usually can get going you know but until i keep going or sometimes somebody and i say that's it! and then after one page or half. my god! i don't know anything anymore yes that's it you know what i mean? that's it. -and then i have to start something else. +and then i have to start something else. yeah does that happen to you? yeah. @@ -46072,9 +46033,9 @@ you know? which is the most stupid thing. well no. it's just -and then i started one and i said no no no i won't be able to do this. +and then i started one and i said no no no i won't be able to do this. and i started another one and i said no i won't be able to this and got back to the other one and did the other one.. -and i remember once we had that was we had accountancy and we have a year to pick that one. +and i remember once we had that was we had accountancy and we have a year to pick that one. we had to have solved so much problems and i just this way and i just wouldn't have it you know it's just impossible it's impossible and i hummed and hawed which way and hummed and hawed which way. in the end it must have been the right one because i was the best of all and i you know until five minutes before everything finished i just couldn't make up my mind hmm hmm @@ -46082,7 +46043,7 @@ so er i was just lucky yeah to to have taken the right decision for once. uh huh -but as it is as you say you know it took five minutes before it all happened in i find this very don't you? +but as it is as you say you know it took five minutes before it all happened in i find this very don't you? or you know you know how to continue? . tomorrow it's easier isn't it? didn't you say so? @@ -46109,14 +46070,14 @@ this one was hard because this one to me i think was the hardest because it was yeah yeah and we had to have theory that much you know yes yes -and tomorrow it's hard because it's an economics one and i have never had economics before so but it's the second part in zurich because it's flying economics telecommunications and political television +and tomorrow it's hard because it's an economics one and i have never had economics before so but it's the second part in zurich because it's flying economics telecommunications and political television ah huh that's all practical? much more practical so that's all right yes -and then next week it's it's easier easier subjects. +and then next week it's it's easier easier subjects. ah huh. so -well it's a good thing there're only four aren't there? +well it's a good thing there're only four aren't there? mmm mm. there are. well afterwards is your thesis going to be difficult? @@ -46175,20 +46136,20 @@ they're in perth. they're indians and er now he worked here. he did his masters here in i think he did his first degrees got that in india hmm hmm -and then er he took his master's degree here in london and er two two degrees in india when he he is you know he is erm orthopaedic surgeon. +and then er he took his master's degree here in london and er two two degrees in india when he he is you know he is erm orthopaedic surgeon. so he does mostly hip replacements hmm -he's a surgeon he is your age. +he's a surgeon he is your age. oops a daisy! -when i hobbled along with my knee he said oh you should come to knee replacements how did you take your how did you have to come? -first and then couldn't take a return one then. +when i hobbled along with my knee he said oh you should come to knee replacements how did you take your how did you have to come? +first and then couldn't take a return one then. that's a wrong no i took two two tickets? yes that's how you had to do it? well no i could take a return if i wanted to. -i took one to which is two ninety +i took one to which is two ninety too nice you see you usually can go on return. a travel card is @@ -46227,13 +46188,13 @@ no no i paid more. wait a minute yes it's three hundred and sixty -three hundred and fifty sixty isn't it? -i paid sixty for a pound. +three hundred and fifty sixty isn't it? +i paid sixty for a pound. yeah it's a lot three hundred and sixty. that's one way to minorca -yes one way to very odd. +yes one way to very odd. yes that's the that's just . -can you imagine you paid six hundred francs to go back and forth to trip. +can you imagine you paid six hundred francs to go back and forth to trip. quite expensive. well it is. what is it? @@ -46254,22 +46215,22 @@ whether it looked new outside hmm hmm but inside it was i was staring at a woman i thought of you. -there was an old woman on sitting opposite me on the way home and she had two big i was looking and looking these are not real. +there was an old woman on sitting opposite me on the way home and she had two big i was looking and looking these are not real. but not bad ones and these should last a little while because they are crunched up they are powdery hmm hmm -they take sea shells or pearls not pearls and they powder a bit and then put several layers on it so they are not +they take sea shells or pearls not pearls and they powder a bit and then put several layers on it so they are not yeah they should last very they should last two years very -but they are not very she had . +but they are not very she had . what did we see? we saw things like they had yesterday for about four pounds. -they are they were not likes. +they are they were not likes. and i paid after all forty six. yeah but -so there must be a bit of and of course. +so there must be a bit of and of course. the real things the real is a real pleasure . when are you going to christies? tomorrow afternoon i think @@ -46288,7 +46249,7 @@ yes and then then i will go to er to christies christies in the afternoon ah huh -and probably maybe have a drink with some friends +and probably maybe have a drink with some friends yes yes before going to the concert ah huh @@ -46311,7 +46272,7 @@ you have to walk a bit. it's not nice do you like the barbican? yes. -well yes. +well yes. do you know i think the acoustic is very bad in there. yeah. but somewhere else i was it was much worse. @@ -46323,12 +46284,12 @@ yes yes. i couldn't hear anything at all and yet it's all wood isn't it? in that great hall? -it's written yes well supposedly there there have been many criticisms about it +it's written yes well supposedly there there have been many criticisms about it i know i've heard it. but er did you actually i didn't hear i mean i could hear. -it was ah no i mean it was you know it's not that it was do you mind if i watch the news at six? +it was ah no i mean it was you know it's not that it was do you mind if i watch the news at six? yes. but it you'll have to watch it again with patrick. @@ -46350,27 +46311,27 @@ the night er er symphony of beethoven. yes but you can't have not have heard it? well not as much as i'm used to. no? -you know in er i think we have to turn off i think. -well she's on the second balcony under in the centre under the top you know where the she's said it's great in the back there. +you know in er i think we have to turn off i think. +well she's on the second balcony under in the centre under the top you know where the she's said it's great in the back there. she says it's a great difference in the movie. did you know that? yes she'd like to change with a girl. -cos we may not be able to afford those upper you know they are very expensive. +cos we may not be able to afford those upper you know they are very expensive. poor old ralph has to pay those. -rather that he stayed more expensive. -are you can you sort of can you? +rather that he stayed more expensive. +are you can you sort of can you? yes very much. i can do . very much so. i can tell you, well not always but sometimes people from first sight i can tell. -well, you're sort of offering in broad lines ha? +well, you're sort of offering in broad lines ha? sorry? in broad lines. yes in broad lines. -somehow i sort of mentioned do you know what i mean? +somehow i sort of mentioned do you know what i mean? yeah. -nothing to do with intentions has more to do with sort of intuition. +nothing to do with intentions has more to do with sort of intuition. yeah. i can, and i can feel immediately if it will click with someone or not, you know if, if i'd like someone or not. but it clicks with you? @@ -46387,54 +46348,54 @@ why? because you don't, sometimes you can have a very wrong opinion of someone. have you had wrong opinions? yes i think, well mm -you see, you just think it's or have you experienced that you were, first you had a bad or a good impression and then you had to change which i used to do very often. -i i had always too good an impression of everybody. +you see, you just think it's or have you experienced that you were, first you had a bad or a good impression and then you had to change which i used to do very often. +i i had always too good an impression of everybody. and then i had to come back. -in you know? -no, not +in you know? +no, not you give everybody a chance. no, i sometimes even now i classify people at first and sometimes come back to my decision yes i do. you do? yes i do. are you so personal ? i am -i don't mind in america. -then you and you're expelled. -naughty girl, always makes fun she was absolutely a very intelligent woman but she spoke soft and slowly so everybody just sort of, who knew her superficially, she was not a very intelligent woman, she really was i can assure you. -she's all black now all along, so -she can be awful really sarcastic she would she would she would mimic her ah so. +i don't mind in america. +then you and you're expelled. +naughty girl, always makes fun she was absolutely a very intelligent woman but she spoke soft and slowly so everybody just sort of, who knew her superficially, she was not a very intelligent woman, she really was i can assure you. +she's all black now all along, so +she can be awful really sarcastic she would she would she would mimic her ah so. that was very naughty. anyway i made completely the wrong decision with her with her the first time. yeah. it was because she spoke so slowly afterwards i didn't even realize it. she writed me. -erm she was in india and i wanted to go and she said a hindi course at a t r in zurich. +erm she was in india and i wanted to go and she said a hindi course at a t r in zurich. aha. and she says come on, my, you girl i tell you this and that. -let's meet and er i'll give you hints for . +let's meet and er i'll give you hints for . and i thought, oh not her, you know, she won't, what she tells me won't be interesting. i know. -and yet, it just clicked after a while that she is, yes i don't know, we became the best of friends. +and yet, it just clicked after a while that she is, yes i don't know, we became the best of friends. and i went to that meeting thinking i know it will just be . that happened to you? yeah. we could . -she's no right to tell you about things it just was that. -afterwards,you know the you go up, you have +she's no right to tell you about things it just was that. +afterwards,you know the you go up, you have yeah. a t e, a t r at the university and just, the block, the side of the university, she had her apartment for a little time. -and every saturday for a whole year she run a japanese consulate. +and every saturday for a whole year she run a japanese consulate. mhm. and, every saturday she would cook for me, usually curry, something and a good bottle of wine. and sunday she would come to me and i'd cook for her. fine. right. -when i used to turn down the corner of the strasse i heard her music. -she used to right up and,i can remember the sort of hot days, you know +when i used to turn down the corner of the strasse i heard her music. +she used to right up and,i can remember the sort of hot days, you know yeah. -and the water music which she had about you know for months and months she would have the water music on and you used to hear it in the . +and the water music which she had about you know for months and months she would have the water music on and you used to hear it in the . so funny . they're very nice apartments there, the . @@ -46443,31 +46404,31 @@ ah yeah. well it's not, er, it's just the side street, just just the side street. yes. -but just, almost, you know, near the strasse and , i can't remember the name. +but just, almost, you know, near the strasse and , i can't remember the name. just about mhm aha. just one block away from it. yeah. -so they're nice on strasse. +so they're nice on strasse. where? quite nice. -well +well where's that?? yeah. ah yes. by the, by the , up there? yes. that's -with the at the corner. +with the at the corner. that's nice too. all rich ones, good apartments i am thinking -and the ones closer erm down inbet when, from the and you go up you go up in between the and er and er +and the ones closer erm down inbet when, from the and you go up you go up in between the and er and er yes. there. yes. there are some wonderful on which side? -on well you go up on the left side. +on well you go up on the left side. yes. but they're not new. no. @@ -46484,21 +46445,21 @@ no, no. but they're nice? very nice. and then, er, i think, er, a beautiful conception they just finish this, they made a new train station, did you know the ? -ah the yes. +ah the yes. isn't it wonderful? yes. and also, one thing you have to see, come on, i'll show that next. it is the most incredible -it is, isn't it?enjoy being in an american +it is, isn't it?enjoy being in an american i absolutely love it. incredible. yes it is. -i mean he kept, i mean he didn't do anything to the city you can't even see it from the old one's still standing and it's in the wrong it's so nice. -the other one is mmm and also the shops -i mean when you compare it to the new one in the which is awful. +i mean he kept, i mean he didn't do anything to the city you can't even see it from the old one's still standing and it's in the wrong it's so nice. +the other one is mmm and also the shops +i mean when you compare it to the new one in the which is awful. ah. is it? -so how can they do, and it took about ten years to build this +so how can they do, and it took about ten years to build this ten, yes? they, they, they tore it all down which was the most wonderful thing. to pieces. @@ -46506,7 +46467,7 @@ aha. and they put the most ugly thing. ugh yes. -is really +is really terrible even the shops i know. @@ -46514,14 +46475,14 @@ you know they are not pleasant to shop in are they? no. you rush out usually yes. -and you know because it is a huge thing isn't it? +and you know because it is a huge thing isn't it? all outside, gutted inside and already the, the shops and the restaurants outside are . yeah. right. . and you know what? -i used to see the the before it was sort of dirty and you just wouldn't go would you? -and you wouldn't see it, it was hidden or something that side of the station, you just wouldn't go. +i used to see the the before it was sort of dirty and you just wouldn't go would you? +and you wouldn't see it, it was hidden or something that side of the station, you just wouldn't go. i know. and now it's all opened up. yeah. @@ -46532,26 +46493,26 @@ no it isn't. well it's, it's when will it i don't know how long it will take -not, not, the er, er, the next already +not, not, the er, er, the next already there is one restaurant already opened which is quite nice. there are, yes, yes. several even. -and has, i almost, i came out of the station from from i almost spent all my money in my handbag in that place, already, you know? +and has, i almost, i came out of the station from from i almost spent all my money in my handbag in that place, already, you know? i just couldn't resist oh there is some very nice stores. yes. -and i even, you know, got stopped in the station itself before i started. +and i even, you know, got stopped in the station itself before i started. ah i enjoy music. if it's nicely done then i, i think it's going to be well done. -but why is so badly done? +but why is so badly done? er, i don't know what that is, it's wasn't he up for, mm, mm, you know, for competition? -was he just a local figure or, or local architect, or mm? +was he just a local figure or, or local architect, or mm? i don't know mm i don't know. -it's quite , quite -he had it was an american who won the competition +it's quite , quite +he had it was an american who won the competition erm and really everybody is thrilled with it. wonderful. @@ -46563,20 +46524,20 @@ i just went to see it no, no never. oh yes, yes . -she could go on to the other station but she says i enjoy being in so much i use it. -that's my first station i came to zurich. -st -st aha, yeah. +she could go on to the other station but she says i enjoy being in so much i use it. +that's my first station i came to zurich. +st +st aha, yeah. and, er,that was the first station, i came alone. and it was late. it was lovely. -and is also nice, it's an old one. +and is also nice, it's an old one. ya, well, mm, it's not too bad. it's nothing extraordinary, but, er, it's alright. no, it's alright. -but strasse i find is warmer, erm, well i suppose it has +but strasse i find is warmer, erm, well i suppose it has oh yeah,yeah, yeah -have you been in the restaurant? +have you been in the restaurant? no. no? no. @@ -46587,21 +46548,21 @@ i don't think so. no. yeah, yeah, i'm awfully sorry . so at least they let me know which is fair enough, ha? -all the others i mean, all try but then this is alright. +all the others i mean, all try but then this is alright. none so, -the vice president or someone, so in other words says, i'm, i'm sorry we can't, it would, would have been tomorrow morning. +the vice president or someone, so in other words says, i'm, i'm sorry we can't, it would, would have been tomorrow morning. sorry i can only be done , i said, mm, would i understand, and i said yes. -well that's er they should be sorry because, you know, i could just as well +well that's er they should be sorry because, you know, i could just as well yeah strange. -let me see i can't read it. -it says +let me see i can't read it. +it says you know where that comes from? -you know where it comes from?on the way back, we, we stopped somewhere in, in a sort of a farm or something +you know where it comes from?on the way back, we, we stopped somewhere in, in a sort of a farm or something aha. -they said, you know, there was a, erm, a saying there was meat, and we bought meat, it must be there. -and it was it must be that. +they said, you know, there was a, erm, a saying there was meat, and we bought meat, it must be there. +and it was it must be that. so it's a year old, no more than a year old. i know we bought some meat in, you know,thank you, it's very light i put it in this way. on what number is it, do you know? @@ -46612,36 +46573,36 @@ tiny bit more, no you can leave it on four. and, yes, i just wait a second, what about you, you don't put any more in? i'm fine. no? -yeah +yeah is that alright? yeah. i don't really like, yes, thank you. i don't too much like warm toast, i have to wait a little bit. so isobel has her interview today as well? i wonder whether, you know, she can't really write articles in english. -she has to make big reports you know. -i think she, i mean, it's something she'll get used to even -she whenever did she do it? +she has to make big reports you know. +i think she, i mean, it's something she'll get used to even +she whenever did she do it? she never learned it really. no. well no, where, never did in an english speaking school. you know? -but then she, then she had to write english before +but then she, then she had to write english before yeah, but you know, as a, as a foreigner, didn't she? mhm. -she only had a few, few lessons lychee, what else? +she only had a few, few lessons lychee, what else? mmm erm? she'll find it difficult. if that's what she has to do. -you have in english schools? +you have in english schools? two. well, two different ones in america. ah yes, three, no, more than that, four. really? well, high school yes. -and then college, the first year, that's two schools, and then another school +and then college, the first year, that's two schools, and then another school call that , as, as one. and then you that's one, and then three, three. @@ -46654,7 +46615,6 @@ never, except,no no. a few, few . language was alright like that, but mm - what's the kettle for? erm i'm not, well i was boiling it for this what? @@ -46662,14 +46622,14 @@ thing, did you want it? no, no no, i'm just, i'm just using it i'll knock it off now you wanting to vacuum that -for me oh shush up paul +for me oh shush up paul come on paul get a move on i'm a zombie pardon? i'm a zombie oh come on stop this -stop it what's the matter? -that's a good way of breaking your neck that er stop it, just get up, turn round, turn round +stop it what's the matter? +that's a good way of breaking your neck that er stop it, just get up, turn round, turn round whoever put this plant on the stairs yeah, whoever put this plant on the stairs didn't realize that we've got silly people like you in the house but it, it keeps on falling over @@ -46679,8 +46639,8 @@ no just look i can see what he's doing he's being a zombie, so he's coming downstairs with two sleeping bags over the top of his head and knocking everything over, just look at it well he can vacuum up again -he can do the lot and he can grow up as well, fifteen and he's be playing at being zombies -get that from up here now do you want me to clean out the chicken? +he can do the lot and he can grow up as well, fifteen and he's be playing at being zombies +get that from up here now do you want me to clean out the chicken? i said do you want me to do the chicken? yeah, alright then er i'll do it @@ -46721,7 +46681,7 @@ you get more is, how do we get philip back? oh no, well i can walk -get him back and can he drive your car on your insurance? +get him back and can he drive your car on your insurance? yeah your insurance me? no, well i can, but it's only third party fire and theft then, just hope the fully comp goes, can you get some milk please? @@ -46747,8 +46707,8 @@ well i'll check on my insurance if you can drive his car over i get it, it's no problem, it seems we might all be talking above ourselves yeah, as soon as we know something we can start making decisions can't we? otherwise we're, we're in no man's land -was he saying mr in there -mr round this morning yeah +was he saying mr in there +mr round this morning yeah oh well they, they, give them time, it won't be till yeah he won't of been round @@ -46756,15 +46716,15 @@ it's half past ten he won't of been round yet how d'ya mean, nine o'clock, hour and a half yeah i suppose -mm paul +mm paul yeah that plant, those stairs hello er how's mr ? get out of there and get it done has he had the results of his second biopsy through? -he still hasn't had it through, cos we were yes, yes, big improvement, it was just that we were arranging visiting and things like that and er whether there's any need to do certain things, so er, but he's still on a, he's come off all his painkillers his morphine's out completely, that's fantastic isn't it? -yeah and he's, but it is quite difficult to kind of withdraw isn't it oh not know, oh that's super, well oh i thought it was quite difficult to withdraw from no -never used it to kick, lord no yes that's lovely, now we can organise our day, right, thank you very much indeed, right thanks a lot, bye, bye . +he still hasn't had it through, cos we were yes, yes, big improvement, it was just that we were arranging visiting and things like that and er whether there's any need to do certain things, so er, but he's still on a, he's come off all his painkillers his morphine's out completely, that's fantastic isn't it? +yeah and he's, but it is quite difficult to kind of withdraw isn't it oh not know, oh that's super, well oh i thought it was quite difficult to withdraw from no +never used it to kick, lord no yes that's lovely, now we can organise our day, right, thank you very much indeed, right thanks a lot, bye, bye . good news he's off his painkillers he's off his morphine completely @@ -46802,7 +46762,7 @@ brilliant, don't drop it it is, it is a miracle that i'll just brush the dust off yeah we've had a, we've had a plant over, we don't want the champagne over -oh i don't want to be silly it's just a miracle oh god, it's normally thirty seconds that's enough +oh i don't want to be silly it's just a miracle oh god, it's normally thirty seconds that's enough are you putting er pieces of bacon on? not at the beginning oh you don't put it until the end? @@ -46838,9 +46798,9 @@ yes if you put the yeah put the peelings in the cupboard and then -for the guinea pigs let's go and see how paul's doing. +for the guinea pigs let's go and see how paul's doing. oh is that it -it's brilliant news i think he's gonna be home very, very soon now +it's brilliant news i think he's gonna be home very, very soon now yeah i'll get a very soon if a, if he, if it was the @@ -46856,7 +46816,7 @@ no, i think they'll have to get well that's today, once, once they've cleared that yeah, well is there any need then to keep him in? -oh no oh no oh no they'll decide i mean mr will know, they'll know what they're doing, i mean they know what they're doing, i don't know what they're doing, i'm not a doctor, i'm not god, nothing +oh no oh no oh no they'll decide i mean mr will know, they'll know what they're doing, i mean they know what they're doing, i don't know what they're doing, i'm not a doctor, i'm not god, nothing yeah how many times has he, has he done this to us now? over the years @@ -46875,7 +46835,7 @@ well i'll give you a hand, give you a hand er nothing sunk that there was something the matter yeah and peter walks in and andrew said to him do you want a coffee peter? -he said yes mrs well then he followed me in the kitchen, stood behind me and i thought what the hell's he hanging about for, i'm gonna take it to him and the, his son- in-law was there +he said yes mrs well then he followed me in the kitchen, stood behind me and i thought what the hell's he hanging about for, i'm gonna take it to him and the, his son- in-law was there yeah and he stood in the kitchen but he said nothing his son was there you said @@ -46883,9 +46843,9 @@ his son was with him cos they, i mean who is peter? one of the fellows that used to do contract work mm -and it's, john what happen was he finished, i'll have a bowl this side, a pile this side where they're +and it's, john what happen was he finished, i'll have a bowl this side, a pile this side where they're i can do, i can cope with that, you're alright, here -he stood there, no i don't mean that, i mean me rubbish, oh dear, and he said erm er, sorry, he started sipping his coffee, he never said anything and then he says i've got some bad news for you and i said oh my god no, car accident, i just heard it on the radio he said no, then he told me, oh god i nearly +he stood there, no i don't mean that, i mean me rubbish, oh dear, and he said erm er, sorry, he started sipping his coffee, he never said anything and then he says i've got some bad news for you and i said oh my god no, car accident, i just heard it on the radio he said no, then he told me, oh god i nearly what, what, what was that one then? that was when he was buried in that lime at oh in the @@ -46927,7 +46887,7 @@ nothing wrong with me not much i'm alright not much -i'm alright i'm alright that's what i said to him you silly bugger you should of applied, even if you didn't +i'm alright i'm alright that's what i said to him you silly bugger you should of applied, even if you didn't oh no, no, if he's fit, you shouldn't of well then no, come on @@ -46937,7 +46897,7 @@ oh whatever it was, anyway nothing matter with him yeah so yeah -anyway, it, it, what happened was that, you see the irish it was a funny set-up because the irish people were responsible for the erection of the, and the supply of everything, well they've gone out of +anyway, it, it, what happened was that, you see the irish it was a funny set-up because the irish people were responsible for the erection of the, and the supply of everything, well they've gone out of irish? the the @@ -46953,31 +46913,31 @@ and then they computer people, and it, both the firms have gone bust, and each o oh yes, yeah and the insurance won't pay, won't pay out the claim typical, yeah -until took more responsibility because it was outside contractors you see +until took more responsibility because it was outside contractors you see yeah you understand but it was a take on site then or was it, what was it? the site belonged to, er, -was it, it was the was it? +was it, it was the was it? yeah yeah redesigned with computerized site yeah so therefore the irish people designed it and the irish people gone bust and out of business yeah, yeah -the the chap at the at the computer place died +the the chap at the at the computer place died oh my god, hmm his partner they were, they, his firm was folded up because, yeah it was a sudden death, he was only in his forties oh my god -and er, er that was a shock you see, because he, his partner then lent mm went into liquidation, well whatever they do, i don't know +and er, er that was a shock you see, because he, his partner then lent mm went into liquidation, well whatever they do, i don't know oh they went bust or something and they, cos his, and his wife was a partner, the chap's wife was one of the, one of the directors or partners mm how they do it, you know, for er, for income tax and what have you, and of course one, one blamed the other yeah and of course the insurance people would not pay out on either, wiped their hands of it because they reckoned it was nothing -so did the pontius pilate bit yeah +so did the pontius pilate bit yeah so consequently they're still fighting and the chap still hasn't got a penny and he's got no sight at all yes @@ -47051,7 +47011,7 @@ oh yeah it burns your lungs doesn't it? well you see one of the l one of lads, naughty, he had to finish, but then he had a bad chest before ha and that finished him off completely won't it? -he panicked and they had a hell of a time with him because he panicked in there, in the hospital and there was a, going berserk and that but you see daddy didn't, oh there's nothing +he panicked and they had a hell of a time with him because he panicked in there, in the hospital and there was a, going berserk and that but you see daddy didn't, oh there's nothing in there, and he in the hospital? yeah @@ -47091,7 +47051,7 @@ did you, did you know it though? no, but it would be shock it would be shock if you'd been buried alive you think -if you were buried alive, i mean, uncle nat when he used, when he was in, in uncle nat when he was out in the war, he used to come back home and he'd only to hear a siren and he'd throw himself on the floor +if you were buried alive, i mean, uncle nat when he used, when he was in, in uncle nat when he was out in the war, he used to come back home and he'd only to hear a siren and he'd throw himself on the floor oh yes, yes covered himself and, and fluff out, he was psychologically the war @@ -47129,7 +47089,7 @@ oh yeah really? yeah mm -you see the trouble is philip does, because he just you don't tell me, unless you tell lies you think if you tell lies +you see the trouble is philip does, because he just you don't tell me, unless you tell lies you think if you tell lies then you can get it free you can get it free, but you don't you shouldn't have to pay anyway should you? @@ -47177,17 +47137,17 @@ we'll have it for dinner we're having it hot for dinner? for dinner -right so if we get down to the hospital this afternoon +right so if we get down to the hospital this afternoon well -mr would of seen him this morning +mr would of seen him this morning yes -so we'll get down this afternoon then, alright, fair enough at least we know what we're doing now your bedroom's a tip. +so we'll get down this afternoon then, alright, fair enough at least we know what we're doing now your bedroom's a tip. yeah i know, i'm working oh god what you doing? maths maths, it looks like english -yeah, it's really notice you can change it, cos what it does is it, oh hell you can edit the colours of everything so if, if you can't understand, cos sometimes it goes over itself, like grey means normal writing, yellow means bold and underlined and pink +yeah, it's really notice you can change it, cos what it does is it, oh hell you can edit the colours of everything so if, if you can't understand, cos sometimes it goes over itself, like grey means normal writing, yellow means bold and underlined and pink that's about your name at the top erm pur erm blue that yeah @@ -47204,7 +47164,7 @@ that's more difficult to read then isn't it? yeah mind you, you've got all your enters in there haven't you? yeah, er you can turn them off -yeah and you've got all these what, what are those ts at the side? +yeah and you've got all these what, what are those ts at the side? that means you've got on the screen a tab stop @@ -47249,7 +47209,7 @@ er, yeah, how'd you do it? can't remember, erm that it? that's it, it's gone, yeah. has it moved everything in? -it looks different oh press them again, put them in +it looks different oh press them again, put them in oh i thought i had oh i, what have you done? there @@ -47270,7 +47230,7 @@ they've disappeared yeah control f seven control f seven -load quick er +load quick er well you've saved it haven't you? oh shit, i've just lost the doc what you lost? @@ -47300,9 +47260,9 @@ it, it's done a backup, yeah? erm, yeah well don't lose this then oh the document, the document's longer with the two, let's try it. -try it and see what happens there we are, well done +try it and see what happens there we are, well done control -go is it there? +go is it there? no, i know i'll get it back it's not there? i'll get it back, wait, erm how do transfer, merge @@ -47311,7 +47271,7 @@ erm that, transfer, merge erm, maths is it there? -no it's got no other +no it's got no other then what? arthur calm down @@ -47319,8 +47279,8 @@ arthur if you've saved it ton it's got, it's got to be in there hasn't it? no it isn't just a minute -i'm just ringing mr up -mr who's he? +i'm just ringing mr up +mr who's he? shall i erm oh yes, well he said he'd phone us paula @@ -47360,7 +47320,7 @@ where's, where's that subconsciously? there oh i'm gonna get to do it right -that's subconsciously tony +that's subconsciously tony wait, wait a sec go home page up do you want me to go through this for spellings? @@ -47410,18 +47370,18 @@ see the first what, two,fi first five letters what? of conscience, you want conscious, well you can go up to the i and then it's conscious, you've got conscience, conscious oh damn -mr t manager, what's the name of your company? +mr t manager, what's the name of your company? freebie, another freebie -no, i've just rung up viking to get some box sealing tape and, and this here, he, he said is your name t manager, what is the name of your business? +no, i've just rung up viking to get some box sealing tape and, and this here, he, he said is your name t manager, what is the name of your business? what is the name of it's t that's what douglas said was that it's t so what's the name of the business? -t +t i said it isn't, no it's t -t trading -t trading and what is the nature of your, i said we're a charity, how many people are involved? +t trading +t trading and what is the nature of your, i said we're a charity, how many people are involved? how many paid? oh oh it's gone into that computer now @@ -47441,10 +47401,10 @@ like knife, yeah and scissors i'm not surprised nec nec necessary's not found, is that your spell check? necessary, necessary necessary, oh -n e c it's not double c +n e c it's not double c it's not double, your mother's worse than you neces no tony -e s +e s necessary, aha you, it's coming now, isn't it? s @@ -47475,7 +47435,7 @@ break time break time, that's okay, break time erm add document should add it to dictionary -questionnaires, there you are, you've got it there possibilities, that's okay +questionnaires, there you are, you've got it there possibilities, that's okay no it's not, that is it is consuming @@ -47500,18 +47460,18 @@ no you should read through it every so often yes spell check i will do -in this,as more and more people become concerned with their health and the effect of what they eat has on it i'd think about your english in that and how you put it together, that there sentence +in this,as more and more people become concerned with their health and the effect of what they eat has on it i'd think about your english in that and how you put it together, that there sentence yeah, i know, i've got, i've got to read through all this and that's your introduction the first sentence that somebody's going to read, yeah? i know, i've got to, i've got to read through all of this okay, health conscience, not, it isn't health conscience people, it's health conscious people yeah i know -you're conscious of your health not conscience of your health health conscious +you're conscious of your health not conscience of your health health conscious where? fourth line down, first word oh yes that's it, try do it, blow your nose rather than sniffle please,balanced diet in order to provide their bodies with enough. -but not too much ingredients, essential for some of the most necessary substances for a healthy life include have you got whisky in here as well? +but not too much ingredients, essential for some of the most necessary substances for a healthy life include have you got whisky in here as well? right that's about it, save that healthy substances for a healthy life, you're very good on the, is it, is it the protein he's good on? vitamin c @@ -47521,12 +47481,12 @@ i don't know where it comes from i wonder if it makes your brain go doolally though no, it means you're clever supposed to innit, yeah, they did a study on that didn't they? -they fed these children with these tablets that would make them go and the parents were rushing out and buying tablets to make the children intel the children intelligent. -just imagine that for, taking half a dozen before you going into mr 's geography lesson. +they fed these children with these tablets that would make them go and the parents were rushing out and buying tablets to make the children intel the children intelligent. +just imagine that for, taking half a dozen before you going into mr 's geography lesson. i'm going to read through this properly i'm glad you are out loud, i'll write it first and then i'll check it -not with an audience right, go on +not with an audience right, go on what it can't do erm, can't check up grammar mistakes true a machine to get that does that, is a good program as it is, it's three hundred quid normally but it's a copy dudley gave it to me @@ -47599,7 +47559,7 @@ yeah there's that side to it i mean it's you see some of them only live in a small cottage with no garden and that's an extension to their home, you can go down there with the children yeah. -and enjoy they've bought the hut to enjoy +and enjoy they've bought the hut to enjoy mm. the privilege of, of them like you would have a shed in your garden yeah @@ -47620,20 +47580,20 @@ oh they've had a meeting you see because people in southwold have checked yeah. you see, the fact they say they should be allowed to sell yeah. -and to who they want to if they want to +and to who they want to if they want to i thought, i though southwold council was a conservative council no we belong to waveney that's ah is it waveney council that's decided it? it's waveney you see we belong to waveney district district -ha, yet the southwold parish council, i've seen it in there, er there's been a some vandalism on the golf course, you know on the common and er +ha, yet the southwold parish council, i've seen it in there, er there's been a some vandalism on the golf course, you know on the common and er i didn't know about that yeah it's in there somewhere, and they're complaining, you know the people who play golf, the golf club are complaining, and the, the council are saying it's the southwold council, so maybe it's the parish council, they're saying that er yes it's our responsibility this club and we must look after it and we must find the culprits and so on, it's in there somewhere cos i read it this morning yeah i thought i cos it happened over the weekend digging up holes in the erm in the golf course. what this last weekend? -yes it's er, i'm sure it's in there somewhere yeah i wonder what will happen then with the beach huts it could be it could be that you've got to get the, you can still sell them private but, and the council will, will just say yes or no +yes it's er, i'm sure it's in there somewhere yeah i wonder what will happen then with the beach huts it could be it could be that you've got to get the, you can still sell them private but, and the council will, will just say yes or no no, it just said them you will offer it to them, no you've to offer it to them first because they've got a waiting list of people wanting right to buy, to be, it's, you see it's the @@ -47645,7 +47605,7 @@ yeah they own the fo what they call the but why, you see er the end of southwold when east bramont went into the sea you know yes when the cliffs, when the cliffs collapsed, yeah -they wouldn't shore that up because there are only about eight houses up there, so it doesn't pay them to +they wouldn't shore that up because there are only about eight houses up there, so it doesn't pay them to although they own that bit al although they own that bit or are responsible for it @@ -47659,7 +47619,7 @@ i knew some but there's, there's a yeah a village isn't there really, a small town a village -you see and now at the harbour they've done that harbour mouth so that walberswick will not be affected +you see and now at the harbour they've done that harbour mouth so that walberswick will not be affected mm, mm oh well then yeah, but again there is, there are more houses at walberswick than there were at east bra is it bravance or badance? @@ -47703,14 +47663,14 @@ about er i don't know what's happened today i think it's, they've run out of they've run out of ink or something out of ink, yeah -ron has sent us a copy then +ron has sent us a copy then yeah it must of been a few they'd got through mm -it's the biggest con that poll tax thing go er the amount going down that this lot have pulled on us and everybody's fell for it hook, line and sinker +it's the biggest con that poll tax thing go er the amount going down that this lot have pulled on us and everybody's fell for it hook, line and sinker ha the first year was horrible but last year was look, if, if somebody charges you three hundred pound, and you say that's too much and you complain and they knock it down to two fifty, but they say but we want you to pay fifty pounds on something else, extra, do you think the two fifty's fair, eh? -not really, but +not really, but no, well that's all they've done all this paper is there's about six erm, six sheets in it ain't there? @@ -47758,7 +47718,7 @@ yes and you think it's gonna be cheaper, it's gotta be cheaper because it's wherever there's a reason the little corner shops do that you see, that corner shop especially he always has a blackboard outside yeah -and it, it, it's always erm some offer off like cauliflowers +and it, it, it's always erm some offer off like cauliflowers yeah and in the summer when they were thirty nine p it's to get people to go in the shop really well the supermarkets do the same thing don't they? @@ -47778,7 +47738,7 @@ oh have they? i didn't know about that haven't you seen it? the blue one, from debenham, and you can phone your order through -on er get +on er get ready boxed up for you oh that's good so you can do that with him, so if you're not too well you know like @@ -47810,7 +47770,7 @@ don't it? but she, she knew in normal what she was getting at, she knew exactly what she was shopping for, she went into that shop, there was the list, it was handed in, i bet it took her less time to shop then, than it did later when she went shopping with a vague idea well i mustn't forget this, i mustn't forget that, but then the wandering around sort of oh that looks nice and i fancy that -yeah but in, in your mother's days mine my day as well +yeah but in, in your mother's days mine my day as well yeah when you went shopping you could shop everywhere and a quarter of tea it was that price every shop, there was no competitiveness about it mm @@ -47877,7 +47837,7 @@ i can always remember years ago going into, going these particular department little sh into lewis's in manchester yeah -which was one of the good stores and i wanted a bolster case +which was one of the good stores and i wanted a bolster case mm and there was a girl on and she said what is a bolster case and when i tried to explain to her she looked at me as if i lived in the ark and that was going back twenty years ago. mm @@ -47889,7 +47849,7 @@ they can, you can still buy bolster cases where at? that shop, i don't know what the name of that shop is, but i've seen them in the window lately its possible, yeah -yeah so if they're still selling bolster cases i wonder if they're still selling bolsters somewhere? +yeah so if they're still selling bolster cases i wonder if they're still selling bolsters somewhere? well they most probably do, yeah, we only sell, sell these, stupid pillows like this, curved pillow cases for these mm somebody must do them @@ -47900,9 +47860,9 @@ you, you, you just, it's make your mind up, your own mind and you're left to you when i was er, you know this saturday morning work and weekend you know this weekend, but not saturday morning this weekend work and holiday work at a tailors in runcorn, the manager of that shop, gentleman's outfitters right, the manager of that shop, there's two other men worked in there full time and myself at holidays and weekends or if they were on holiday you'd have to work, you know, the erm to cover one of those and he, the manager was brought up, he's, brought up, his training was in liverpool, in tailors where they, a man would produce a suit for somebody yeah you know you'd produced the shirt but produce er, and there would be lots and lots and lots of these people, these very skilled men -oh yeah men +oh yeah men all working in their own little houses sort of they looked liked houses but in fact they were little workshops -yeah a lot of the jewish folk +yeah a lot of the jewish folk i remember once, yeah it was like that, yeah that's right, not one, but a few times i used to get on the train from runcorn to liverpool, i had an address to go to in liverpool, rough directions how to get there, to pick up a suit or to pick up a fitting, you know you'd get the, the different oh yeah stages of fitting @@ -47911,7 +47871,7 @@ oh yeah, all that, you know all the and you had to keep going, striving on that's right, that's right yeah -well the slight adjustment so to get it, get it right, that's what you're paid for and he's, that's where he was, that's where he was brought up in the trade, and he could take a piece of cloth in his hands, he had rolls of cloth, and he said that was made such a way, the quality of this cloth is because and that +well the slight adjustment so to get it, get it right, that's what you're paid for and he's, that's where he was, that's where he was brought up in the trade, and he could take a piece of cloth in his hands, he had rolls of cloth, and he said that was made such a way, the quality of this cloth is because and that yeah socks the same exactly the same with socks, the blend of wool or nylon, er, just pure wool or nylon or whatever whether it's cotton in it, all these things type of shirts and that, the strengths of the cloths feeling it, telling you that'll wash well that'll last @@ -47931,7 +47891,7 @@ and, and oh yes, yeah, i remember that, yeah and i'd forgotten about that -i mean, and i'd worked in one in oldham and the difference between the one that was a fifty shilling tailors in oldham and +i mean, and i'd worked in one in oldham and the difference between the one that was a fifty shilling tailors in oldham and fifty shilling tailors fifty shillings and you could nothing more than fifty shillings @@ -47955,7 +47915,7 @@ you but they're all these big retail shops off the peg now -these, you know these national thing, all that they're interested in from that manager of that shop is how much did you sell that week +these, you know these national thing, all that they're interested in from that manager of that shop is how much did you sell that week oh yeah and just pure inset, and just headquarters, that's all they're interested in, not whether he knows his job or not, not whether he could give advice because he has no control over whatever comes into that shop, he doesn't decide we're not having these t-shirts in or, or we're not having these suits in because really they're a load of rubbish, headquarters decides it, all he does is put a nice little display out, usually, and it's shown how to do it by headquarters and so on, these people come round and show them what to do and so on , do all that, in fact he's as much expertise in there as i have or you have, anybody could literally with a bit of training in the company way of doing things mm @@ -47984,9 +47944,9 @@ oh yeah this particular thing, they'd be, they'd be flummoxed well they'd sell you the most expensive because they'd got the most commission yeah and convince you, if you pay more for it, it must be better, and it, that isn't always true either, usually is but not always -what used to annoy me about that shop was that, that the fact that you know people used to buy the things on the never- never +what used to annoy me about that shop was that, that the fact that you know people used to buy the things on the never- never mm -and er they used to come to me and say how much does this man owe now and if he'd been paying quite a bit next time he came in the shop they was all round him trying to persuade him to buy +and er they used to come to me and say how much does this man owe now and if he'd been paying quite a bit next time he came in the shop they was all round him trying to persuade him to buy yeah a mac yeah @@ -48017,10 +47977,10 @@ yeah, yeah, yeah and then they forget they have to pay for it i give you a good example of that, erm, well not how easy it is, not on that, but how easy it is to get money without having the money, okay, tony wants that, the computer yeah -and we wanted to get it through access, and the credit limit on access was what was it a thousand? +and we wanted to get it through access, and the credit limit on access was what was it a thousand? something like that, trying to remember now what it was, sixteen hundred, sixteen hundred that was it and it says your credit limit is sixteen, sixteen, you could spend up to sixteen hundred pounds, whether you got it or not you can spend it, so we said if we're gonna get this computer because you get these air miles out of it, you know, every ten pounds you get an air mile, well if he's getting a computer over a thousand pounds you know with all the paraphernalia that goes with it, well that's a lot of air miles there, well we said we'll get it through access, but there isn't, our credit limit on access isn't enough to pay for the computer, sixteen hundred it's more than sixteen hundred, in, in the long, once he's got his printer and god knows what you know, so i phoned them up and he said erm is it possible to adjust the limit upwards? -oh yes we said well what's the limit? -well they said what do you want it to be oh god, i can't, there you are it's as, it's as easy as that, it's as easy as that +oh yes we said well what's the limit? +well they said what do you want it to be oh god, i can't, there you are it's as, it's as easy as that, it's as easy as that and then they want you, i tell you what there's another thing on television that makes me really laugh is that advert about electricity and it says about electricity? electricity yes @@ -48035,8 +47995,8 @@ she goes on about all this but they don't say how much it's gonna cost, never mi that's got nothing to do with it that's got nothing to do with it, but you can be lovely and warm and warm -twenty four hours of the day, until you get your bill and then you're lovely and warm -and warm +twenty four hours of the day, until you get your bill and then you're lovely and warm +and warm where's that table dad? i don't know paul. you can burn it @@ -48045,7 +48005,7 @@ i don't know paul, it's erm, ask tony he's the one who'd of put it away, have yo no but really it's a waste of time you know close the door please -when people are sitting there and thinking oh yes i'll have a storage heater, you keep lovely and warm you get your bill at the end, a few hundred pound er +when people are sitting there and thinking oh yes i'll have a storage heater, you keep lovely and warm you get your bill at the end, a few hundred pound er yeah oh it's, it's just all con isn't it? yeah they, they're telling you one part of the story @@ -48085,7 +48045,7 @@ well people that have got it so much money you know, they've, they've got to erm that's right, yeah they've got to spend -but i, i disagree with them lending money to the extent, the old way was better when it was two and a half times the salary, your salary +but i, i disagree with them lending money to the extent, the old way was better when it was two and a half times the salary, your salary do you know how much it was when we got our first house, just before we were married, it wasn't two and a half times your salary, it was one and a half times our salary yeah, but it was one salary and one salary @@ -48121,7 +48081,7 @@ now that is wrong, why they can't help that family to extend the mortgage until it would cost them less than two hundred pounds a week it would cost them less that's right this is the meanest of it -and there's no +and there's no oh yes this is the meanest, you get into the system of the, of the legality of it, the, the er,thes these people who lend money where we want our money back yes @@ -48143,7 +48103,7 @@ hold on, it's not people who've got spare money, it's people who who want to invest money who've got plenty of cash, always will have as well and this is, this is the unfortunate part, this, this is the sinister part of it really, because the people who've scratted around and have suffered yes -borrowed up to the hilt, they, they, their er, i, what should i say, their erm unfortunate circumstances +borrowed up to the hilt, they, they, their er, i, what should i say, their erm unfortunate circumstances yeah are benefitting people who don't have to, never had to scrat around it's still wrong @@ -48213,19 +48173,19 @@ what's reasonable? ha yeah, but i mean reasonable to whom? -in a few years this er, they're not building houses so these houses are gonna go, rocket again +in a few years this er, they're not building houses so these houses are gonna go, rocket again when the council houses were sold, a lot of money went into the, went into the council yeah yeah, well they're not allowed to spend it and they're not allowed to spend it, that's the craziest thing of all but housing associations can build houses, but councils can't yeah -or they can but a tiny amount, it's this sort of dogma, this blind faith, has put commonsense right out of the window completely out the window +or they can but a tiny amount, it's this sort of dogma, this blind faith, has put commonsense right out of the window completely out the window i don't understand these it's how these housing associations though how they work? well no, how they can afford to let the houses when the council can't. -well the government subsidizes them a lot for, for a start and it's, again it's the government, the philosophy of the gover of a government either subsidize something or it doesn't, doesn't it, and it subsidizes what it +well the government subsidizes them a lot for, for a start and it's, again it's the government, the philosophy of the gover of a government either subsidize something or it doesn't, doesn't it, and it subsidizes what it yeah wants to be a success, it did, it takes the subsidy away from something that it, either it is successful in itself and it no, no longer needs to be subsidized or something that they want to see go to the wall, if they want to see something going to the wall, it @@ -48239,7 +48199,7 @@ but why and own their own houses you see which is a good philosophy -in some ways to though, i mean i can understand i think people, some people +in some ways to though, i mean i can understand i think people, some people arthur can you just turn the bacon on the chicken and the potatoes? alright, alright yeah, better see what's happening, anyway i've sat long enough @@ -48248,7 +48208,7 @@ i'm as stiff as a board you're a fat board yeah we've put the world to rights -oh it's not a case of putting the world to rights i'm looking for this bacon +oh it's not a case of putting the world to rights i'm looking for this bacon there it's in the fridge got it, got it the bacon's on the chicken @@ -48260,7 +48220,7 @@ paula yeah it's only two pieces of bacon the bacon's on the chicken -it's on it, oh, thought you said put it on it oh god +it's on it, oh, thought you said put it on it oh god up, not on the pillows but actually sitting up as if he was bolt upright? bolt upright, yes, fast asleep and then he'd move his hands @@ -48272,10 +48232,10 @@ and then he woke up, his, his eyes opened from this, he was actually asleep and what do, what age do you think he is? oh well in his seventies, touching eighty do yo think so? -i think so if not he's in his high fifties +i think so if not he's in his high fifties his high fifties and he's very old, young -yeah what was paul like last night was his mother there? -paul, erm he was his wife was there and his dad he went for a bath for a walk, a walk around +yeah what was paul like last night was his mother there? +paul, erm he was his wife was there and his dad he went for a bath for a walk, a walk around you know his dad's a very calm person isn't he? yes, yeah he's very calm @@ -48289,17 +48249,17 @@ well she's got something wrong with her legs hasn't she? she suffers a lot with her legs you know yeah she drags them along doesn't she? -it's an awful strain though when you've got a young person like you know like paul, because i mean they have their future before them and but very sad really he erm that other boy seems to of gone out doesn't he, that was in the other day, that was walking around, he seemed to of had his treatment and gone. +it's an awful strain though when you've got a young person like you know like paul, because i mean they have their future before them and but very sad really he erm that other boy seems to of gone out doesn't he, that was in the other day, that was walking around, he seemed to of had his treatment and gone. which was that one? there was another one like paul with er that had had chemotherapy oh yes at the end, yes, yes he seems to of gone want me to do your hair or anything mother? -no er i thought i'll leave it till tomorrow and then +no er i thought i'll leave it till tomorrow and then well, well if i'm going to be going home, leave it, cos if i'm going to go home it's pointless change it or anything, we haven't had any visitors mm, i mean we might -today i'll do my hair tomorrow just in case i was going +today i'll do my hair tomorrow just in case i was going anything else need going on? how far are the potatoes and the about half an hour off the potatoes, you don't want the sprouts on just yet, do you? @@ -48321,7 +48281,7 @@ oh is that enough? no, i'll just go to the freezer you've got to be careful with chicken -that's what i said what are +that's what i said what are what's that? they're the tops of paint pots, you put the oh @@ -48333,13 +48293,13 @@ they're dirty, and so long as you erm fill your paint pots up so the water in th oh very good that that's the theory that's the theory -the practice is a bit different how long do the sprouts take in the microwave paula? +the practice is a bit different how long do the sprouts take in the microwave paula? pardon? how long do the sprouts take in the microwave? twelve twelve minutes? yeah -that's too much, yeah spilling the peas all over the place here +that's too much, yeah spilling the peas all over the place here what a beautiful day a good drying day isn't it? gorgeous @@ -48363,7 +48323,7 @@ well, do them then if you don't mind do what you want to do i want to, where can i plug in out here? -in the socket in the wall you can plug in +in the socket in the wall you can plug in no i mean, it seems pointless carrying it through mind yourself that's @@ -48391,7 +48351,7 @@ yes which way you ironing? this way where you gonna stand oh yeah -i'm gonna stand looking outside at the garden oh i must do +i'm gonna stand looking outside at the garden oh i must do he's got three pair here do you want them on st do you want it on steam? how dry are they? @@ -48430,8 +48390,8 @@ i think it's a bit late now ow right, have plenty of peas there aren't there? more than enough -i thought so what needs doing? -i fancy a cup of tea it's a crack it's a cracking day isn't it? +i thought so what needs doing? +i fancy a cup of tea it's a crack it's a cracking day isn't it? yes are you getting out there? get the, get the grass cut @@ -48442,15 +48402,15 @@ can't do well look in that case i'll do this afternoon okay? and i'll do yeah -about six o'clock i'd quite like to go and have a chat to bob otherwise if he +about six o'clock i'd quite like to go and have a chat to bob otherwise if he oh you broke that, sprung that one on us i've been thinking, i've been thinking well i, he'll only just be getting in from work yeah we'll have this a bit and then carry on -well erm, at half past six paula he'll be in the middle of his tea, you've got to give the guy a chance to turn round try to suit you, but think of him, he's just getting in from work and boom +well erm, at half past six paula he'll be in the middle of his tea, you've got to give the guy a chance to turn round try to suit you, but think of him, he's just getting in from work and boom but i've got to get my -well get that done what else have you got to do? -i forgot, right well get yourself in there. +well get that done what else have you got to do? +i forgot, right well get yourself in there. but i can do in fact i'll go up and do half an hour before dinner well this, won't be an hour yet will it before this is ready? @@ -48459,7 +48419,7 @@ oh no it's not ready yet, leave it on oh for the bacon oh the bacon's alright, you don't want it dried up, hate dried bacon right i'll go and do erm -right off you go, go on, clear off you okay? +right off you go, go on, clear off you okay? fine, if i get them done be ready for the is this all the ironing there is? oh yeah @@ -48476,7 +48436,7 @@ i'll ask her might as well now while it's, the weather's as good as this, paula, paula yes love do you want another wash done again? -you might as well seeing the weather's as good as this oh yeah +you might as well seeing the weather's as good as this oh yeah oh that's all this lot that's four, six @@ -48522,10 +48482,10 @@ it's good when you put them in, if you put them in a tumble dryer yeah that helps them, but if you put them on radiators and god knows what round the house trying to keep them, get them dry dry actually -yeah true, true, true +yeah true, true, true well you've got to do it in the winter so oh yeah -well not really stick, stick them in a tumble dryer if you're lucky depends how much money you've got +well not really stick, stick them in a tumble dryer if you're lucky depends how much money you've got that's a good t washer that i've bought you know what's that? well it's got thick and thin dryer @@ -48541,7 +48501,7 @@ oh i can't remember it, it's a foreign one a foreign mm, ah, i didn't realize your tumble dryer was on its, you could of had my other tumble dryer is on its what? -on its you know there's something the matter with it +on its you know there's something the matter with it oh it's only the return spring on it, there's nothing wrong with the dryer because you could of had mine ah there's donkey's years in that yet, oh god @@ -48560,14 +48520,14 @@ return spring gone on it that's all mm get in the top of it one day nah, nothing wrong with that, it dries them, dries them beautifully -you can get, well the trouble is with the new +you can get, well the trouble is with the new well done paula she's used all the hot water oh yes she's, she's had a bath did she wash her feet before? yeah well if, it's a stupid way of doing it when you've got a boiler that's heating up, you can just wait on a bit you might, you might as well wait -yeah, it's an expensive way of of doing it anyway +yeah, it's an expensive way of of doing it anyway you see you might as well wait i can set it up yeah @@ -48661,11 +48621,11 @@ mm, mm you see she didn't give it till the spring to see what came up, i mean she had it all paved which was silly because they, there were a load of rose bushes and that mm, mm which she, i mean you, you're throwing away a lot of plants that you might decide to keep -true very true +true very true but i do like that hedging i think it's beautiful when the red berries are on it mm but er -well it's not, it's not a bad hedge and it's now starting to get you know +well it's not, it's not a bad hedge and it's now starting to get you know you see, i'm a, a good growth on it i'm static the only trouble is with our front is that because we're getting old we can't manage, we're not going to plan each garden, so it might be easier to have a, a big lawn and then @@ -48684,7 +48644,7 @@ he'd of done that you see, all the with the grubbing out well it's the, it's because we don't want the -it's a isn't it mainly? +it's a isn't it mainly? yeah, but it's bits of other things in that yes it's gone it's gone, the bit, it's gone too straggly after @@ -48737,7 +48697,7 @@ well it's gonna be a long time off that yet, another half an hour oh go on, i'll be a devil ha, be a devil i'll be a devil and celebrate -celebrate with a cup of tea, that's not bad do you want a strong cup or a weak one? +celebrate with a cup of tea, that's not bad do you want a strong cup or a weak one? oh a strong one a strong one, you're really celebrating are you? there you are, you can stand your spoon up in that @@ -48761,15 +48721,15 @@ i'd like to get you on a slow boat to china? i like to get you who was it? who sang it? -what's his name, ooh cup of tea, have you finished it yet? +what's his name, ooh cup of tea, have you finished it yet? ah? no i haven't -have i hell ah going through the diary now, it's at that stage, enjoy it? -oh, oh oops push your chair in a bit, how's it going? +have i hell ah going through the diary now, it's at that stage, enjoy it? +oh, oh oops push your chair in a bit, how's it going? alright are you out there? just pull the mike out -crash, bang, wallop, gone what they did for work today a little bit of exercise, desk work a lot of exercise, exercise. +crash, bang, wallop, gone what they did for work today a little bit of exercise, desk work a lot of exercise, exercise. not do you spell roughage like that? where? @@ -48778,9 +48738,9 @@ roughage a section on oh it, it might, it won't yeah -pick it up cos it's in speech marks i'll put the speech marks back after it +pick it up cos it's in speech marks i'll put the speech marks back after it it just doesn't look right -let's find out no that's how you spell it +let's find out no that's how you spell it where is it? oh it's gone back i suppose it's gotta be hasn't it, when you think about it @@ -48800,7 +48760,7 @@ you didn't, ha didn't can't yes that's okay veg -vegetables think of vegetable +vegetables think of vegetable oh i, yes that's it in convenience @@ -48825,7 +48785,7 @@ yeah i got it, i've got it yes right down there, but okay do they live in a house, bungalow, does it -ignore, that's it, save that and try that eight thousand characters +ignore, that's it, save that and try that eight thousand characters so you yeah eight thousand characters @@ -48834,7 +48794,7 @@ not eight thousand words? you find out the number of words if you spell check go on then how many words have you got? erm, -ignore that ignore that +ignore that ignore that ignoring a lot no just ignoring two one thousand, two hundred and @@ -48848,7 +48808,7 @@ what will it take the form of, your maths? oh dear statistics? yeah i expect it's what it is erm control -format centred, yes, statistics, the whole thing is, the +format centred, yes, statistics, the whole thing is, the paper, do it, computer pardon, you need what? do it with the computer program, it's a lot easier, use erm @@ -48874,7 +48834,7 @@ so you cho so you can actually print it out well if you bought the it might go wrong what might go wrong? -you lose it all just a slight detail, leave the door +you lose it all just a slight detail, leave the door right, what this may explode into a thousand fragments so i'll just have to start all over again without having to print out copy are you saving this on disk or is this going onto hard disk? @@ -48911,7 +48871,7 @@ ah this is good your frequency is operator oh no -ditto, ditto my or may? +ditto, ditto my or may? key words key words none @@ -48919,7 +48879,7 @@ none comments comments rubbish i hope i get an a -you daft thing +you daft thing version number one thing is when it comes up on words that how do you know, oh it's saving it onto the disk now @@ -49001,11 +48961,11 @@ dunno this is rather an conversation no, go on clear off -he needed any +he needed any leave your mum alone, paul leave your mum alone can you shorten that thingy then oh be quiet -er i don't know what we'd do without you paul i'm gonna, i'm gonna +er i don't know what we'd do without you paul i'm gonna, i'm gonna potatoes are nearly ready what? have you turned them off, have you turned that thing off it'll cook in the heat that's on there won't it? @@ -49042,7 +49002,7 @@ i don't know non pardon? it's non -non, neutral, neuter now give it a chance to cook +non, neutral, neuter now give it a chance to cook yeah it's mm, mm, if i put the chicken on paul oh yeah @@ -49055,10 +49015,10 @@ it's not cooked yet oh it is well and truly cooked, tell me when whoops oh damn -can happen that'll do won't it? +can happen that'll do won't it? yeah plenty, just sort that bacon out, here are -thank you er +thank you er what's the matter with it? looks like it's green it taste like it's green? @@ -49076,12 +49036,12 @@ yeah yes it's all no thank -erm no have a knife please out of the drawer, just check the sprouts, wash, they looked cooked, they looked cooked +erm no have a knife please out of the drawer, just check the sprouts, wash, they looked cooked, they looked cooked yeah that'll do they're cooked aren't they? -yeah i'll just put them back in for twenty seconds just to get them up to heat, keep your eye on this paul, it'll go over if you don't +yeah i'll just put them back in for twenty seconds just to get them up to heat, keep your eye on this paul, it'll go over if you don't yes it's started to boil now -these peas are neon ready there we go right +these peas are neon ready there we go right yeah it's boiling it's boiled? yeah @@ -49103,7 +49063,7 @@ where? let's see that's okay, keep it going paul fat's good for you -ha keep it going +ha keep it going where's the fat? can't you see it, look? that's not fat. @@ -49139,7 +49099,7 @@ can i have the dish out, the carving dish, out of the cupboard no you can't cos i can't find it it's in there i'll get it -okey-dokey and the chicken now, open the oven, let's have that paul, please get the other, if i can find it, what's the matter you haven't burnt yourself have you? +okey-dokey and the chicken now, open the oven, let's have that paul, please get the other, if i can find it, what's the matter you haven't burnt yourself have you? no, it's the heat brought it up, no leave those in, otherwise it'll get cold, er, can you get the plates out now please? why didn't they supply you with an adaptor? @@ -49148,7 +49108,7 @@ so you can plug it into the mains plug it into, oh this thing, well you can't move around then can you? no, but if you stay sitting down ha -okay plates out +okay plates out are you gonna carve this or what? yeah i'll carve it you want drinks @@ -49206,15 +49166,15 @@ oh, okay what do you do now? now you start to share it out onto the plate now you do the legs -no you don't, no you share it out first and then you see if you need to do the legs or we can have the legs, the legs on, on butties or -or a curry, yes okey-dokey, here we go +no you don't, no you share it out first and then you see if you need to do the legs or we can have the legs, the legs on, on butties or +or a curry, yes okey-dokey, here we go he likes chicken breasts oh good, that's enough for philip, yeah no, no this is philip's oh, okay, that's alright, okay what i, i carved the chicken i carved the chicken -i tell you what i can't do is carve +i tell you what i can't do is carve sing there's a technique isn't there? carve meat @@ -49233,7 +49193,7 @@ no leave that there another leg ha takes one to know one -ah, damn okay +ah, damn okay where'd you get those from for the get the what from? @@ -49274,7 +49234,7 @@ must get one a microwave if debbie comes home i think, i'll see, i've been sayin they are nice, they are good things to have whether hank them -oh he's not right, are you ready with the, with that paul? +oh he's not right, are you ready with the, with that paul? try and get to boil again pardon? no it doesn't matter seriously, turn it up, right up @@ -49294,7 +49254,7 @@ i think, i think you'll get the bright times won't you, like he's been in hospit yeah but he's been really really on the ball, but i don't think it's gonna happen much, not for a month or two -what you, you've got to keep it +what you, you've got to keep it you want something on your, you want something on your feet or i know old son, you're gonna stand on something sharp or something hot spilt on them and you are gonna scream @@ -49308,7 +49268,7 @@ yeah right if he doesn't like his bacon we'll have it, tell him if you don't want your bacon -cos there's one here without bacon you done 'em? +cos there's one here without bacon you done 'em? right who want there's a leg here, bits and bobs have you told your mum tony that dinner's, can you tell her yeah, i'll have that, the other two, bring the gravy through, here he is with the gravy @@ -49442,7 +49402,7 @@ i would say a siesta is an afternoon siesta a sleep afternoon mm -granted, it's a sleep taken during the day cos you're naked +granted, it's a sleep taken during the day cos you're naked you're wrong after he's had his lunch he might be sleepy it's only quarter past one well it's they, he'll be having his lunch now @@ -49457,7 +49417,7 @@ and it wasn't mum's and he said it was horrible what was it? it was ox liver -oh yeah it's a bit sharp that ain't it? +oh yeah it's a bit sharp that ain't it? mm, it's very strong ox liver you know that liver's very high in cholesterol no @@ -49538,7 +49498,7 @@ don't know this what we last night dad mm, mm -it's beautiful i love chicken +it's beautiful i love chicken it's good for you ain't it? it's a good meal this is a good time when you can't make rude noises @@ -49575,7 +49535,7 @@ did he? yeah how did it go? can't remember -i don't know how it goes i've forgotten but it it's from the angels do the next thing, ha +i don't know how it goes i've forgotten but it it's from the angels do the next thing, ha what? yeah, pancake day on tuesday next tuesday? @@ -49585,7 +49545,7 @@ when's pancake day? throw them up, catch them when is it? have them for school -we could have a trial run oh paul's +we could have a trial run oh paul's then we'll all have the school dinners go away then in the afternoon we have pancakes for his pancake races @@ -49635,7 +49595,7 @@ easter bunny hides easter eggs, easter bunny does somebody dress up as an easter bunny? no -i could just see it a local farmer coming out with his gun +i could just see it a local farmer coming out with his gun ooh ah ah i've got it, bang easter bunny @@ -49661,7 +49621,7 @@ oh does it? does it cost you anything then? no no -oh there you are +oh there you are and you phone up and it goes hello mr bunny oh you wanna see, the kids'll see you dialling it's bugs bunny @@ -49867,7 +49827,7 @@ i don't want it, if that's mine, i don't want any juice right, you don't no do you want some more ice cream? -yeah another spoonful please brilliant +yeah another spoonful please brilliant that's philip's oh he doesn't want ice cream doesn't want ice cream @@ -49998,10 +49958,10 @@ you know what it was? we've heard it don't don't oh no we've heard it -anyway he woke up in the middle of the night, sat up and spewed up all over sandra! +anyway he woke up in the middle of the night, sat up and spewed up all over sandra! said you dirty little bastard i said! -if mike had even got a bit on me i said i'd have bloody killed him! -i said it'd be divorce, grounds for divorce that, i said i wouldn't have that ! +if mike had even got a bit on me i said i'd have bloody killed him! +i said it'd be divorce, grounds for divorce that, i said i wouldn't have that ! urgh! she had to get up and wash her hair and urgh! the dirty git! @@ -50017,22 +49977,22 @@ oh! so er, yeah so he rung up mm. said oh he's not here i said, he working. -oh i said i'm coming up we're just on our way. +oh i said i'm coming up we're just on our way. i said oh i said we're going up to my mums. oh it was the dancing school . -said it was a fortnight ago and +said it was a fortnight ago and mm. -er, i said if it had been a normal saturday i said we'd have cancelled that you know, we'd have met you in duffley but er, i said my mum's supposed to be dancing . -so erm you know, i can't do much about it. +er, i said if it had been a normal saturday i said we'd have cancelled that you know, we'd have met you in duffley but er, i said my mum's supposed to be dancing . +so erm you know, i can't do much about it. oh never mind, he said you'll have come down here, i said yeah. have you been down there yet? no. mikes been down before though. sometimes. -erm so then so we sort of finished off having a chat, he said, oh we'll see you when we see you. -so i went back into the spare room, i was doing some ironing which was on the you know and the next minute the phone went! +erm so then so we sort of finished off having a chat, he said, oh we'll see you when we see you. +so i went back into the spare room, i was doing some ironing which was on the you know and the next minute the phone went! oh bloody hell it's like a mad house here! -anyway, i went to the phone hello! +anyway, i went to the phone hello! hello! alan? oh, he said i've done the wrong number! @@ -50043,26 +50003,26 @@ ooh there's one for you, mandy's pregnant! oh is she? yeah! i knew she would be. -as soon they come back i reckon it was conceived when they went skiing in the week. +as soon they come back i reckon it was conceived when they went skiing in the week. what does daisy have to say? i haven't seen, we haven't seen them. we've only heard via the grapevine. oh! -so er i reckon she just want a skive from work to be honest! -she said bef , you know, she said before oh yeah, you know, when we've been having a joke she said oh god i could do with a break from work she said, oh yeah! +so er i reckon she just want a skive from work to be honest! +she said bef , you know, she said before oh yeah, you know, when we've been having a joke she said oh god i could do with a break from work she said, oh yeah! not much of a reason is it, to er not really. yeah, i reckon you wanna grow these sides down properly now and stop twiddling with them! it's the sides that are dry. that's not bad. -and erm when glenys is back on the scene get her to level it all out for you. -so she wanted it really dead level in the front i reckon you'll need a whole inch off your back here. +and erm when glenys is back on the scene get her to level it all out for you. +so she wanted it really dead level in the front i reckon you'll need a whole inch off your back here. bloody hell! it's nice and thick though. -and you haven't got that twiddly bit any more where your head used to go. +and you haven't got that twiddly bit any more where your head used to go. you know, when you get up in the morning. yeah . -i don't think i'm gonna take any more off to be honest. +i don't think i'm gonna take any more off to be honest. don't, just cut it straight. twiddly bit off there. and my fringe. @@ -50070,39 +50030,39 @@ yeah. yeah i mean, like this bit here is very white blonde as well. you know, your hair li , i suppose this has dried as well yeah. -because you cos it's been by your face like, the back's still wet. -but erm it's a different texture like, with the colour as well. -so the next time you have it streaked don't tell them to keep those bits out of it. -although you can't because you'd have to have the the top done wouldn't you? +because you cos it's been by your face like, the back's still wet. +but erm it's a different texture like, with the colour as well. +so the next time you have it streaked don't tell them to keep those bits out of it. +although you can't because you'd have to have the the top done wouldn't you? no, when you just have your roots done mm. -she doesn't touch these bits with +she doesn't touch these bits with no. does she? yeah. -cos it's a lighter colour there. +cos it's a lighter colour there. yeah. and then it's a lighter colour. all different colours like a tiger. yeah. -which way shall i turn round for the fringe? -erm you're gonna have to +which way shall i turn round for the fringe? +erm you're gonna have to turn this way. -what you doing with the fringe then, just that'd be like fringe . +what you doing with the fringe then, just that'd be like fringe . are you cutting it? no. i hope you have! ! -i hardly cut it shape the ends. +i hardly cut it shape the ends. you promise you didn't get any edges. i am not ! it's not straight. -no your fringe is like erm dry like the sides isn't it? +no your fringe is like erm dry like the sides isn't it? mm. you've been cutting haven't you? i have not been cutting it! i'm telling you now, i haven't! -i'm sure you wouldn't dare as well. +i'm sure you wouldn't dare as well. mm mm mm. oh do you? you're alright,yo you only just make . @@ -50113,21 +50073,21 @@ have you got a mirror here? i'll show it you. it's in the . it's just on your right there. -i'll get the have you layered it? +i'll get the have you layered it? what do you want? have you layered it? no. it's on do you see much of stevie and karen? no. -well we saw them, we were outside the chippy one night and they were going out they were whatever you call it? +well we saw them, we were outside the chippy one night and they were going out they were whatever you call it? oh we want to go out! we want to go out! okay then. -she's oh she's put weight on, she looks . +she's oh she's put weight on, she looks . i mean she dresses up well.. mm mm. -so he often enough does he? +so he often enough does he? yep. apparently they're looking for a house now. i can't see either of them making a commitment. @@ -50141,11 +50101,11 @@ go on the beach? ? really? yeah. -but though? +but though? . oh i see, they have been about for a while. ay? -haven't really been over as well. +haven't really been over as well. yeah but i think they should. mm. twenty one again isn't he? @@ -50157,21 +50117,21 @@ ay ? mm! all those ! we'll get sarah as well. -that er i thought that was quite good that innit? +that er i thought that was quite good that innit? what? go and put some bi bit of mousse on it now. okay. -and then you can it for me. +and then you can it for me. super! are you gonna go up? -gonna do and let ? +gonna do and let ? yeah well we'll sit in there. if we can work it. why what's up with it? well it's falling apart innit? can't you afford a new one? well could of had a new one. -the last two years it's been falling apart so we have to ke kept kept folding the wheels back on +the last two years it's been falling apart so we have to ke kept kept folding the wheels back on ooh sorry! things like that. bloody hell! @@ -50192,7 +50152,7 @@ there's a bloody thing! cor! you managed to work the old thing. yeah! -it doesn't stay up when you +it doesn't stay up when you oh no! it falls down and cracks you on the head and things like that! actually i've moved it a bit too far that way have i? @@ -50212,7 +50172,7 @@ it's a bit professional this isn't it? no,. big shot. is this a new one? -yeah, well the other one,bought me one for christmas it before christmas we went and got this. +yeah, well the other one,bought me one for christmas it before christmas we went and got this. it's got a diffuser as well. put the diffuser on. i find it dries, it helps a lot that does. @@ -50223,14 +50183,14 @@ ooh! do you wanna mint? no ta! wasn't asking you sweetie peetie well you're supposed to . -i want it styled, right that'll knock the socks off my husband when he comes in! +i want it styled, right that'll knock the socks off my husband when he comes in! oh my god! what do you expect! why, what's the matter my hair? ay, i'm not very good at the old styling lark, i'll say. put that there so it doesn't choke him. put that there so what? -so i don't flick my ash everywhere. +so i don't flick my ash everywhere. hello! better watch out now she's gonna come and get me with this bloody thing! ooh ooh ooh! @@ -50240,19 +50200,19 @@ what? well it's all over the place now! shut up! now, how do we do this then? -erm . +erm . bloody hell fire! i never use a hair dryer any more. -oh christ, i'm not very good at this ! +oh christ, i'm not very good at this ! i don't wanna pull you! i'll tell you when you pull me! oh well when it hurts anyway! oh hang on, i can't do that! i'll have to do it like this. -they always kept the the brush moving and that don't they? +they always kept the the brush moving and that don't they? yeah alright then. well i don't. -i'll have to do it like this ! +i'll have to do it like this ! tell me if it gets too hot on your head. right. well it probably is . @@ -50260,14 +50220,14 @@ so have you got to, is that burning or no, it's alright. too hot? it's in my ear though! -so do you think ? -so you still haven't been to see this house in are you? +so do you think ? +so you still haven't been to see this house in are you? your not gonna tempt fate? no, not yet. -there's a little row that goes down beside it round the back, i never knew there was. -don't ooh! -er nearly took off then ! -erm you go down a bit of a lane and it's gets you on the through road doesn't it? +there's a little row that goes down beside it round the back, i never knew there was. +don't ooh! +er nearly took off then ! +erm you go down a bit of a lane and it's gets you on the through road doesn't it? yeah , you go up a stream, a river. yeah. ooh the dogs will like @@ -50275,7 +50235,7 @@ a pool. it down there. oh they love it! are you going? -i never been round there i went up the other. +i never been round there i went up the other. we went to the river in the car. is there much water in it? well didn't go in my car, went in his! @@ -50286,45 +50246,45 @@ i know! ohhh! well i don't know whether this will like impress win when he gets in. probably go out again! -no, i must admit your hair is looking a lot thicker and healthier. +no, i must admit your hair is looking a lot thicker and healthier. we have lift off! ? what? it's alright, is it blowing? -oh god, i don't know how all the hair, how hairdressers could stick doing other people's ha , i think your i , your own is so much easier to do because you ac , you do it your own way. +oh god, i don't know how all the hair, how hairdressers could stick doing other people's ha , i think your i , your own is so much easier to do because you ac , you do it your own way. yeah. that's it. -i'd be too damn anyway, i would! +i'd be too damn anyway, i would! hot? blowing cold on my back! really? well this should of done . oh what? -oh the . +oh the . i'd assume that's nice . oh! oh! we'll have to go and . you what? -you know, and i told you about that i'm having my er done. +you know, and i told you about that i'm having my er done. yeah. -well he's he's nearly finished it now inside, well he's transformed it no end! -it's all fitted cupboards, swirling table spotlights! +well he's he's nearly finished it now inside, well he's transformed it no end! +it's all fitted cupboards, swirling table spotlights! oh good god, very nice! -so it's about ooh +so it's about ooh that's when we're to help out with? yeah, he's got a few big jobs. oh bugsy, go and lay down! she's daft, she's sitting on this! mm mm, yeah. laddie used to be like that didn't he? -you know, when his and +you know, when his and oh! nudging you. how are they, your nan and granddad, alright? yeah, fine. seems ages since i saw them. -it was new year or +it was new year or well christmas wasn't it? new year. @@ -50345,19 +50305,19 @@ oh i thought it was chewing gum! do you want your hair done as well? don't like the hairdryer though do you? laddie hates it! -he tries to bite +he tries to bite don't think she likes it. oh! no, you don't like it. ooh show me teeth! she's a big softy isn't she? how old is she now, four? -er, well no she'll be four the end of the year. +er, well no she'll be four the end of the year. ! ah! dale left me . -and my dad's picking me up. -ay how did you get on that er oh wait till i've finished this bit. +and my dad's picking me up. +ay how did you get on that er oh wait till i've finished this bit. stop it! what? how did you get on that friday we went to chester? @@ -50381,12 +50341,12 @@ yeah. it's terrible when they start laughing! oh that's pretty! ooh she's beauty! -ooh a little punky i was laughing at the sheep up at my mums tha over the weekend, they had that many you know they get branded well +ooh a little punky i was laughing at the sheep up at my mums tha over the weekend, they had that many you know they get branded well yeah. they had green, they had red and everything ah! they look like punk sheep! -right what do you put a bit on and then erm dry it with a hairdryer. +right what do you put a bit on and then erm dry it with a hairdryer. oh this'll be a good idea! right, we'll do this. what we're doing ? @@ -50416,7 +50376,7 @@ peroxide. do you think it will suit me? i don't know. go on then. -well if you use that streaks at the front why don't you try a wig on. +well if you use that streaks at the front why don't you try a wig on. werhh hoo hoo good idea that is. just you make up for it. @@ -50425,9 +50385,9 @@ lately, so. don't have to. how are you? don't beat him up! -erm no i don't think i have actually. +erm no i don't think i have actually. oh . -no so . +no so . you'll have to have a go at them with all these rabbits! i've said no. oh oh gosh! @@ -50438,34 +50398,34 @@ i was in the army. and ca ! go on! he made you -and then he says, then he says, no, we went to and he's in the gym so +and then he says, then he says, no, we went to and he's in the gym so ha! and they left me behind! your worst nightmare's come true ! -and what the hell do you think ! +and what the hell do you think ! what did they say ? and what did mick say? it's not a little dream. -erm don't get advice. -it's er the wedding that causing the problem isn't it? +erm don't get advice. +it's er the wedding that causing the problem isn't it? that's the ultimate . -tony foretells difficulty or a journey followed by a successful issue in your +tony foretells difficulty or a journey followed by a successful issue in your ! -but becomes a serious matter. +but becomes a serious matter. no that's . didn't it? just wanted the horse and trap basically ! when i woke up i didn't really wanna go! -normally like the isn't it? +normally like the isn't it? with the i went -you know, you can have +you know, you can have i hate it where that girl is! you know you're not gonna get back to sleep until you've been! don't you just hate it when that happens! don't you just! oh ! -right are we onto and structure, page two of this. +right are we onto and structure, page two of this. okay. yes. great! @@ -50480,13 +50440,13 @@ great! that bin's getting on my wick ! i saw peter last night. i said bloody hell don't you dare bring him in! -he says, i've been about, he said i see you still sleep in your bed , but you're not putting them bloody pistachios ! -we used to eat loads of them and er keep all the shells and then put a few in everybody's bins, so as they're not pissed off ! -well it's boring just putting them all in the the same one, innit? +he says, i've been about, he said i see you still sleep in your bed , but you're not putting them bloody pistachios ! +we used to eat loads of them and er keep all the shells and then put a few in everybody's bins, so as they're not pissed off ! +well it's boring just putting them all in the the same one, innit? oh god! we're gonna meet graham today! bastard! -he's in manchester today and +he's in manchester today and is he? buy an engagement ring. he's not! @@ -50494,12 +50454,12 @@ we asked him that. ah! well i'm just . well you'd laugh if you see my girlfriend! -. have you crossed this outside? +. have you crossed this outside? yeah. he won't be wanting to work either. oh not,. how do you spell work! -here are, lots of new know about. +here are, lots of new know about. thank you. but he's coming back later. oh! @@ -50513,53 +50473,53 @@ denise has got one of those as well though ain't she? what? money! yeah. -nineteen ninety two. -i'll do any notices announcing police officers. +nineteen ninety two. +i'll do any notices announcing police officers. you could of said! -you'd better hope and pray that you wake someday into your own . +you'd better hope and pray that you wake someday into your own . don't like smoking . mm mm ! okay! so -so what bit is okay isn't it? +so what bit is okay isn't it? no? no. aha! missed that. -had read poisoned er located on the murderers in the area around . +had read poisoned er located on the murderers in the area around . come on! -the will be o seven hundred, two nineteen hundred hours. +the will be o seven hundred, two nineteen hundred hours. mm mm mm mm, service station, mhm mm. -behalf of the welsh police of swithra cymbra +behalf of the welsh police of swithra cymbra stop swearing! mm mm mm. agreed with the chief superintendent ? ah! -i don't know whether that is what he's gonna be called. -the police officers at the service station which is course of action . +i don't know whether that is what he's gonna be called. +the police officers at the service station which is course of action . that's still the same, the nineteen seventy four road traffic act , that hasn't been updated that we know of. mm mm, mm mm mm,. ooh ooh hoo hoo ! -all located on two lane roads when no bike has . +all located on two lane roads when no bike has . correct? mhm. -it is essential therefore, the true , mm mm mm into reverse, mhm mm mm even in time . +it is essential therefore, the true , mm mm mm into reverse, mhm mm mm even in time . okay! right. morning billy! morning! early bird? -early am i? +early am i? half past nine? not early is it? it is for you. -lunch time not ! -right,each service station will have a supervisor +lunch time not ! +right,each service station will have a supervisor don't get off me trying to be funny. -see the officer +see the officer aye, what the survey , stroke, site manager. . -i reckon that one should be sur survey stroke supervisor it should be. +i reckon that one should be sur survey stroke supervisor it should be. survey manager, stroke survey. mm. because it's the . @@ -50571,21 +50531,21 @@ survey survey manager. and survey manager is above supervisor so in a way then okay. -you know, it's not worth erm so the last paragraph that you find is twenty nine. +you know, it's not worth erm so the last paragraph that you find is twenty nine. we could just put manager couldn't we? or advisor, manager couldn't we? -er well i just want to you did say you can quote +er well i just want to you did say you can quote erm no problem, anyone that . -made u well up to a under twenty drivers. +made u well up to a under twenty drivers. yeah, okay mate. yep. -erm and it's mark john. -er ? +erm and it's mark john. +er ? er two years. service yes. -catered and designed +catered and designed jason william . how old is he? er, seventeen. @@ -50593,10 +50553,10 @@ er, seventeen. no. these are stunt school. how about that. -the survey manager has located and designed the survey stations in the chief superintendent or whether he's had them built. +the survey manager has located and designed the survey stations in the chief superintendent or whether he's had them built. that covers it dunnit? -oh erm -i was gonna say is it necessary to put and will be at the survey site at all times to ensure a smooth operation . +oh erm +i was gonna say is it necessary to put and will be at the survey site at all times to ensure a smooth operation . well it's gotta say it up there doesn't it? it's gotta go up there so @@ -50638,10 +50598,10 @@ it isn't tracey then? no. no. tracey don't do it. -it's chris and then . +it's chris and then . just writing something. ah, drop all your things if we're gonna start -the fully, are we never, are we only gonna have a supply? +the fully, are we never, are we only gonna have a supply? oh good cos you've got them. around a audbury because we're loony @@ -50665,54 +50625,54 @@ and then we need members erm. of parliament. . -all local bus company +all local bus company erm no. ah, i didn't realise that made fo -right, so his actual -but a is because it's been used though. -that'll be +right, so his actual +but a is because it's been used though. +that'll be aha. -i mean that doesn't include any assessor of payment +i mean that doesn't include any assessor of payment no. mine's just reading the emergency services have been informed of the surveys. yeah. erm right, so what's the point of that ? -well, i'll have to er, send you a copy of my er invitation to renew from the +well, i'll have to er, send you a copy of my er invitation to renew from the so i need the ? yes. yeah, okay. well my accounts er -mike, shall i put stroke in there? +mike, shall i put stroke in there? yeah, and you'll have to erm yeah. -and i put erm i just,areas. +and i put erm i just,areas. on there, yeah. i don't know why it's called . survey managers, right. -we can always change it, managers whenever . -what i'll do is er those out and actually have them as a you know, usually they they don't have that fly sheet on, that's +we can always change it, managers whenever . +what i'll do is er those out and actually have them as a you know, usually they they don't have that fly sheet on, that's no. an inquisities for the report. -what i think it, what makes it good erm, is that so we could er lift the paper out and -yeah, once again so dingy grey means -no, i'll that, we'll just type it in again. -but i'll take the originals cos it's on there before. +what i think it, what makes it good erm, is that so we could er lift the paper out and +yeah, once again so dingy grey means +no, i'll that, we'll just type it in again. +but i'll take the originals cos it's on there before. aha. so we'll copy that, or we'll have to change it to survey manager, this one anyway. -and i think when it says notes for supervisor, we can just put manager down there. +and i think when it says notes for supervisor, we can just put manager down there. and manager , and , yeah. -quite isn't it? +quite isn't it? yes. -e any driver over twenty five plus the two name yes. +e any driver over twenty five plus the two name yes. couldn't you manage to get ? well you see that's erm -it's er and it's er +it's er and it's er what's your wife's name? er no, okay. @@ -50723,12 +50683,12 @@ yeah. er he doesn't think he's . what have you got? ay? -i crossed it out because i . +i crossed it out because i . and it doesn't. i thought that was okay, what you'd done? -i crossed it out because i thought it was gonna say cos i thought it said,survey managers are instructed to work at all times +i crossed it out because i thought it was gonna say cos i thought it said,survey managers are instructed to work at all times equal to supervisor so i crossed that out and then i realised that it said intervene. -erm well no, no . +erm well no, no . oh! thought it would. yes. @@ -50737,17 +50697,17 @@ yeah. yeah. . thank you, bye bye!dunno what's going on after those files! dunno what . -got all the flash gear and the policemen were fined two hundred pound +got all the flash gear and the policemen were fined two hundred pound well and as long as i reply they can't do anything. -they in a +they in a no. round about four hundred yeah well there's so i stayed where i was. -this year their policy's has and direct line have sent me a quote for two hundred. -that's er di diddle di dee dee dee dee der isn't it? +this year their policy's has and direct line have sent me a quote for two hundred. +that's er di diddle di dee dee dee dee der isn't it? er direct line that was , that was . @@ -50764,25 +50724,25 @@ them. is it? yeah. i don't know. -i don't make a habit of admitting to it. +i don't make a habit of admitting to it. why ever not? hello! -no, i'm not worried i'm got something. +no, i'm not worried i'm got something. yeah. yeah. how long have you known him? yeah. -he sent me er to renew his +he sent me er to renew his what? -and some +and some so what do you do? -i'll take the +i'll take the pleasure. er er er! okay that's fine. then we'll have a . okay. -g +g okay, yeah great! yeah, i'll just ask him,and that is er what, all the red ones have to be used for now? ah? @@ -50816,13 +50776,13 @@ down. about eighty. there's one er, i think she's right. -we'll now try +we'll now try oh yeah. no difficulty. -go back and let me but, yeah, i mean that's the idea. -the idea is that's the one tha that's generally . -well yes it's . -that +go back and let me but, yeah, i mean that's the idea. +the idea is that's the one tha that's generally . +well yes it's . +that they like to mend it. it's not there don't want . @@ -50834,7 +50794,7 @@ that's better. we should draw a . mm. -oh, that, that's just er that was er quite reasonable +oh, that, that's just er that was er quite reasonable yeah. really. yeah, oh yeah! @@ -50844,8 +50804,8 @@ mm. have to be a like a hawk on mine! mm! yes,. -well no it's erm the same as and the stuff. -it's er,. +well no it's erm the same as and the stuff. +it's er,. what's his first name? . and is he liverpool? @@ -50856,9 +50816,9 @@ this ain't mine ! i know you ! bee um bum bum . you look tired tine -erm put it on there.. -well jus haven't you got enough to be getting ? -well, so that's erm +erm put it on there.. +well jus haven't you got enough to be getting ? +well, so that's erm , hello! hi! sorry? @@ -50875,17 +50835,17 @@ well? mhm. mhm. well congratulations! -er i can't say. +er i can't say. no! are you coming back? erm, yes and no. -no, er it's not closed it's left open. +no, er it's not closed it's left open. well i think everyone's finished anyway. is it? ha! is it? mhm. -so have you got a nice to go with this promotion? +so have you got a nice to go with this promotion? mhm. oh god! alright. @@ -50893,10 +50853,10 @@ mm. where's your two front teeth? sorry! mhm, course it does. -are they going to increase your wage a after the recession? +are they going to increase your wage a after the recession? you got a clause saying that? well you wanna get it in writing! -well i would try and get something to that effect in writing. +well i would try and get something to that effect in writing. yeah! yeah. where are the other ? @@ -50924,44 +50884,44 @@ i just . that's alright. just don't have an accident! right, that's a good job done there! -does that mean i gotta phone judge cap in hand? +does that mean i gotta phone judge cap in hand? well it could be . -i'll see him +i'll see him wait until i've seen if will's got his. well i'll see if i can the te telly i must have a . well if will hasn't got his it means they haven't been issued. i think they were, were. -i'll see er i'll see to . +i'll see er i'll see to . have you sent a letter of confirmation to mr ? no. that's on the list here. good morning! -can i speak to please? +can i speak to please? i'll ring him today and tell him. mhm. -and er he can wait if you haven't done +and er he can wait if you haven't done hello, is that tammy? no hi!, -hi, it's rob from the moore office. -erm i'm of er i'm been asked your +hi, it's rob from the moore office. +erm i'm of er i'm been asked your does he have to give him a quote before you -insurance er +insurance er ay? certificate. does he have to give you a quote? -no, cos we know his +no, cos we know his the r a c book yes. of . what about the er -not got a as well. +not got a as well. certificate and it's last year. we'll know more about er, to it. -yeah, i'm sure i'm i've +yeah, i'm sure i'm i've okay. i've gotta try and do my figures. -i think , i'm fairly sure you've er sent me one previously. +i think , i'm fairly sure you've er sent me one previously. yeah, if you could send me i'd appreciate it. oh no! okay? @@ -50972,21 +50932,21 @@ okay. right. see if there's a letter on the file. mhm. -and if there is read through it and see the you know,li and then peter will . +and if there is read through it and see the you know,li and then peter will . okay. -actually i mean my mammy's not very good. +actually i mean my mammy's not very good. i can imagine them doing it now for all it's worth. the, did they have a piece and you cut off the bottom? no. -no, they had to have it with them at on the -that were just the temporary passes for the motorway that we had to return to department. +no, they had to have it with them at on the +that were just the temporary passes for the motorway that we had to return to department. er,. yeah. right, well i'm sure yeah. they put four two nine. forty two pound twenty nine. -well when they put they put sixty five staff before the surveys? +well when they put they put sixty five staff before the surveys? that's still four two nine six that innit? and it's still four two nine six. well i dunno. @@ -51002,111 +50962,111 @@ cos i'm going through the document, er er documents issues. down what? -documents erm, from first of january this year. +documents erm, from first of january this year. so,required. -i'll put that on this slip of paper. +i'll put that on this slip of paper. oh! okay then. -and there oh! -i want to see it's bloody silly! +and there oh! +i want to see it's bloody silly! so these agree? i think we should have somebody in here you see. mhm. -erm so, put on here since january . +erm so, put on here since january . okay. -so that re , will just be a couple of reports and something +so that re , will just be a couple of reports and something right. you going home now? alright? yep. -so that that's of erm as big a task as we'd really like to. +so that that's of erm as big a task as we'd really like to. yeah. this one. hi bob! i need to know as soon as possible now whether we can do these surveys or not so i can fill the policies in. so as soon as you can let us know, i'd be grateful. i hate that! -i'll phone you thursday night all night,. +i'll phone you thursday night all night,. who bob? -he's going to yeah. +he's going to yeah. mm. it's three quarters of an hour when i was at mum's. yeah, it's annoying when they say they're gonna ring isn't it? -i mean, er, i've got this jean hanging on. +i mean, er, i've got this jean hanging on. mm. she'll be there won't she? she's dangling! dangling, ay? -i just can't go ho oh oh mm mm mm, mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm, mm mm mm mm . +i just can't go ho oh oh mm mm mm, mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm, mm mm mm mm . bless you! oh! -actually jim erm +actually jim erm mm. -we've got a feller that we use for , he's seventy odd! +we've got a feller that we use for , he's seventy odd! george. george . why? well this feller that rung me was sixty three. ah, these agencies use them to . so! -no, we wo , we were just saying like that it's a shame because like maybe some of them have been made redundant or +no, we wo , we were just saying like that it's a shame because like maybe some of them have been made redundant or oh i see! yeah. yeah. -and bev was saying do you get more men than women? +and bev was saying do you get more men than women? and i said, well it used to be normally. but it's all women! more women. well, yeah it was. -but now more and more maybe cos they're taking early retirement or getting made redundant i mean it's the fellers isn't it? +but now more and more maybe cos they're taking early retirement or getting made redundant i mean it's the fellers isn't it? yes. so that's not going? -get them go and look at +get them go and look at you what jan? -you know when we're going to look at the four forty five i may as well get book four two nine six seven. +you know when we're going to look at the four forty five i may as well get book four two nine six seven. or, perhaps we could just think of something between us. oh yeah, i don't see why not. -i'm sure we could er put our heads together and come up with something. +i'm sure we could er put our heads together and come up with something. mm, heaven! ah! now this miss . -what's mr like to get hold of these days, during the day? -er afternoon's dodgy morning's alright. +what's mr like to get hold of these days, during the day? +er afternoon's dodgy morning's alright. cheers. have you got an address close to it? yep. oh i've knocked it off. -some something better than erm the daniel one. +some something better than erm the daniel one. did you hear about that? permanent no. letters. -have you got you want a . +have you got you want a . yeah. -i, i've got these letters out of here to be honest. +i, i've got these letters out of here to be honest. it's almost on one. mhm. -and er get her the confirmation one she wants. -and erm yeah that's it. +and er get her the confirmation one she wants. +and erm yeah that's it. put all that on for the attention of mr ray -i had a phone call from so she said to me come down to the admin , so i went down and she'd opened the letter and give it back to us. +i had a phone call from so she said to me come down to the admin , so i went down and she'd opened the letter and give it back to us. the post. what a stupid so i took it home and stuck it under the door. and have we done anything? no. -well it had department erm frank +well it had department erm frank and chris the tomboy! -that address and for the attention of mr ray and it arrived back to us! +that address and for the attention of mr ray and it arrived back to us! oh this chair . -can i copy from ? +can i copy from ? no you bloody can't copy! god you're so cheeky, you! -i'm not gonna have them going to ormskirk mm. +i'm not gonna have them going to ormskirk mm. mm! what a cheeky, young,person! -you copy the ones from to these didn't you? +you copy the ones from to these didn't you? i did not! those are, pull out of my own head those are! no! @@ -51120,16 +51080,16 @@ wilf is going to be , sergeant . mm. you just wanted write his name didn't you? well i suppose so really. -but if you know them why should you put dear sir? -well it's true. +but if you know them why should you put dear sir? +well it's true. i see what you mean. does seem a bit silly doesn't it? -here, that's innit ? +here, that's innit ? just , i don't believe my luck!. what? oh! put your phone down. -sorry mum, i thought you you was out still. +sorry mum, i thought you you was out still. oh! you all set then? dad pack all his gear did he? @@ -51139,7 +51099,7 @@ good stuff! and here. yeah. quite an expanse of blue sky. -well . +well . yeah. oh yeah! mhm. @@ -51151,22 +51111,21 @@ yeah. mhm. been a busy little bee. mhm. -and you mum i've got yeah, will do erm i've forgotten what i was gonna say now. -oh pat phoned, she does want jenny to baby-sit . +and you mum i've got yeah, will do erm i've forgotten what i was gonna say now. +oh pat phoned, she does want jenny to baby-sit . okay. okay. m - mick , national officer. president, as delegates will know this is my first report to congress from the public services section and in the time available could i warn delegates and onwards to eight hundred thousand members, their families and all their friends and the eight million members of the t u c and their families and their friends, a sizeable group of british people who, president, now consider theirselves as past, present and future patients of the n h s, and rightly so. well, do i have news for you and them. -in april and may of this year, the junior minister of health, in april tom announced from the shared platform with david , the tory mp for havant, but better known as a leading member of the tory think tank, that regulations had been lifted to allow private capital to have free access to the n h s. +in april and may of this year, the junior minister of health, in april tom announced from the shared platform with david , the tory mp for havant, but better known as a leading member of the tory think tank, that regulations had been lifted to allow private capital to have free access to the n h s. to undertake buildings of hospitals, the complete management of hospitals and to retail a full range of health service products. -president, david followed on and said, and i quote, the successful takeover of the national health service depends on agreements being excluded from the present unions and he has not been contradicted. +president, david followed on and said, and i quote, the successful takeover of the national health service depends on agreements being excluded from the present unions and he has not been contradicted. president, this was supplemented by the secretary of state, for health in may, last month, by golden virginia bottomley, that further offered an invitation to the private sector to form a partnership with the government to take over our public sector n h s, to provide the flair and the entrepreneurial skills and imagination of the private sector of british industry. what an example, what a record. u k private industry nil, the rest of the world ninety nine and still playing with plenty of time on the clock. -congress, to it further we have no lon we are no longer patients, we have all been renamed customers and clients, the new management practitioners use the language of the private sector, corporate customer targeting, they refer to theirselves as commissioners of health service care working with the internal market. +congress, to it further we have no lon we are no longer patients, we have all been renamed customers and clients, the new management practitioners use the language of the private sector, corporate customer targeting, they refer to theirselves as commissioners of health service care working with the internal market. fund holders talk about buying the best products available at the lowest price, regardless of the inconvenience to their customers mick, mick, just one second. colleagues, let's keep it quiet please. @@ -51188,14 +51147,14 @@ and no tory government is gonna take away our health service from my grandchildr i move my report to congress. thanks very much, mick. colleagues, turning to mick's report, page seventy one. -yes eric , london region. +yes eric , london region. erm, i suppose we ought to say welcome to the health service, mick. erm, i doubt if you'll get too hard a time from us. possibly not covered in the report is the commitment that this union is giving to the health service. we've created a new sector, i, i've seen over the last three or four years, changes in the way that we've tried to represent our membership in the health service from the old industrial conferences to combined industrial conferences into the er, current erm, section that we've now got. -the problem is that we seem to have dropped the health service off more and more and more over that period of time, and i think, to be fair, the programme sums it all up, two motions on the health service. +the problem is that we seem to have dropped the health service off more and more and more over that period of time, and i think, to be fair, the programme sums it all up, two motions on the health service. it used to be a major debate at this congress. -it's not just the better the members that we've got working in the health service, it's about everybody in the room and everybody in the country who wants to use it and we've gotta get it a bi a bit higher up on the agenda at this union and i hope mick, that you can give us the confidence and give us the commitment, that that's what we're gonna get from this union. +it's not just the better the members that we've got working in the health service, it's about everybody in the room and everybody in the country who wants to use it and we've gotta get it a bi a bit higher up on the agenda at this union and i hope mick, that you can give us the confidence and give us the commitment, that that's what we're gonna get from this union. seventy two. yes. president, congress. @@ -51206,8 +51165,8 @@ thank you very much. thank you, seventy three, seventy four and seventy five. mick. thank you president. -er, eric erm, asked about er, profile and resources and er, hoping i would er, provide the conference, confidence er, of our membership in the health ser of getting the profile up. -eric, i reported to the c e c on saturday night when presenting the, the health service conference report, that i would be making a detailed report to the next er, meeting of the public services section committee on resources er, on what i see in the first five month of my er, ten year of office er, what, what we need to do, to play our part in the public service, to extend ourselves within the er, the health service. +er, eric erm, asked about er, profile and resources and er, hoping i would er, provide the conference, confidence er, of our membership in the health ser of getting the profile up. +eric, i reported to the c e c on saturday night when presenting the, the health service conference report, that i would be making a detailed report to the next er, meeting of the public services section committee on resources er, on what i see in the first five month of my er, ten year of office er, what, what we need to do, to play our part in the public service, to extend ourselves within the er, the health service. that report, i trust will be adopted by the, er the public services national committee and go back to the c e c for the endorsement and er, watch this space. i just, birmingham region, i think the delegate who came up second about long service ambulance staff and the going down. if i could see him at the back i'll er, i'll just get the question a bit more clearer and i'm sure i can help. @@ -51268,7 +51227,7 @@ motion three o five to be moved by london region. did you formally move? oh he's coming, right. sorry. -john from the london region. +john from the london region. president, comrades. erm, congress, the tomlinson review of the health service in london contains many questionable aspects, midst conclusions stem from the misguided belief that market forces will resolve all the problems. that's sheer and utter rubbish. @@ -51283,9 +51242,9 @@ the intent of tomlinson will add greatly to the expected one hundred thousand jo are they careless or just mad. people in poverty is no way to help the inner boroughs. the n s, the n h s employs from the highly skilled and professional to the semi- skilled, manual workers, ancillary, clerical, maintenance, nursing and midwifery personnel, mostly locally based. -what's to become of the pool of labour when the heart and soul is torn from london by the ruler of the political obviously, no consideration for the human consequences of its policies. +what's to become of the pool of labour when the heart and soul is torn from london by the ruler of the political obviously, no consideration for the human consequences of its policies. major, i also mean my man, his decisions and bed closures courts disaster. -patient care will suffer, demand for care will increase and er, primary care will this point again and again. +patient care will suffer, demand for care will increase and er, primary care will this point again and again. while they haggle over the prices in the trusts, you must continue to suffer and the socially deprived remained bottom of the waiting lists. now look at the tragedy of barts. closure will destroy both the historical and the esteemed. @@ -51297,7 +51256,7 @@ harefields, giving life with great heartlessness and many more. congress, fight, fight indeed with all your might. they have got it wrong. help to put it right. -all must have heart. +all must have heart. tomlinson, john major's government seem to be twin spirits, who know exactly the price of everything but the value of nothing. can no one rid us of these medalling and wilful misfits. i move. @@ -51328,7 +51287,7 @@ it's back door privatization. the are too few beds in the health service, whether we like it or whether we don't and what they're trying to do is force people to use the private sector. that colleagues, whether we like it or not is back door privatization and we've gotta fight to oppose it. thanks eric. -c e c are accepting both these with a statement colleagues and i ask edna to put that view for the c e c. +c e c are accepting both these with a statement colleagues and i ask edna to put that view for the c e c. edna , speaking on behalf of the c e c on composite fourteen and motion three o five. congress, president. on sunday in his general secretary's address, john edmunds reminded everyone in the labour movement that we need to, need to express our arguments simply if we want to get the message across. @@ -51341,7 +51300,7 @@ by coverage they meant the fact that thirty five million americans are not cover they are exposed to whatever illness or injury lady luck throws at them. and the free market system doesn't protect them because they tend to be too poor or too old for health insurance cover. either they can't afford private health insurance or the american insurance companies regard them as a bad risk to be acceptable. -today in britain, michael is looking for ways to make people take out private insurance against all sorts of possibilities. +today in britain, michael is looking for ways to make people take out private insurance against all sorts of possibilities. poverty in old age is one. health care must be another on his list. you can bet your bottom dollar. @@ -51383,7 +51342,7 @@ they're both sat at the, the back of the hall, would you extend a very warn welc thanks very much. election systems, colleagues, motion one four eight, one four nine, motion twenty eight. now mo motion one o three has been withdrawn by the, the northern region. -at the end of the debate i'll call ernie to put the c e c point of view in respect of the three motions left because they're seeking reference. +at the end of the debate i'll call ernie to put the c e c point of view in respect of the three motions left because they're seeking reference. call motion one four eight to be moved by midland. les , midlands and east coast region. moving motion one four eight. @@ -51437,14 +51396,14 @@ thanks very much indeed, and i understand that the region, midland region, are p is that correct? conference accept that? thanks very much. -so ernie will be very pleased to know that he's not required to er, star this morning. +so ernie will be very pleased to know that he's not required to er, star this morning. section secretary's report, keith , process and construction section. keith , national secretary. president and congress. it's my privilege and pleasure to present to congress the first report of the process and construction section. congress will recall that over the years i've made references to the close working relationship, which was developing between g m b and our german colleagues. given this situation it's a delight to report that the launch of the section in february was accompanied by the signing of an historic partnership agreement with our german colleagues. -this agreement is the most significant, bilateral agreement between two european unions in different nation states and covers some one point seven million members and i was most heartened colleagues, with the er, welcoming comments that were made by brother david from durham city central er, clerical branch from the northern region in his address. +this agreement is the most significant, bilateral agreement between two european unions in different nation states and covers some one point seven million members and i was most heartened colleagues, with the er, welcoming comments that were made by brother david from durham city central er, clerical branch from the northern region in his address. erm, the partnership agreement er, arose from a clear conviction by both unions that positive trade union action is better than rhetoric. that it is inadequate for trade unions to merely pay lip service to a european prospective, or to be deterred by the refusal of the u k government to accept its european responsibilities and deny rights to u k workers that are enjoyed by every one of our european colleagues. we assert that strong trade union relationships, on a day to day basis, must be developed in a bilateral form and this agreement provides for substantial trade union cooperation in the european community and beyond, and it's already materially advancing the interests of our members and assisting the development of free and independent trade unionism in eastern and central europe and the former soviet republics. @@ -51473,7 +51432,7 @@ congress, we'll appreciate the significance of this situation and i commend my r thanks very much. turning to the report, colleagues, one seven three, one seven four. yes. -yep president, congress. +yep president, congress. who's the biggest? keith. oh alright, you go on then. @@ -51484,7 +51443,7 @@ keith, i've had a look at page one seven four, chemical and allied industries an so i pa i turned to page seven, one seven three, the new section for the process and co er, construction er, section and i can't find anything on there. we've had problems at allbright and wilsons for some time on a change of working pattern, but this is just a modern way that companies have got today of de-manning people. now, we got permission to go ahead with a, a ballot for industrial action, which took place and although it was a majority for industrial action, it wasn't the required two thirds majority. -i do have to thank on behalf of my stewards' committee er, terry who gave us a lot of help and also the er, regional section who also helped us. +i do have to thank on behalf of my stewards' committee er, terry who gave us a lot of help and also the er, regional section who also helped us. but when it went to national, everything just gone. the question is keith, from my committee, where the hell were you at in our hour of need? thanks very much. @@ -51498,7 +51457,7 @@ one seven five, one seven six, one seven eight, one seven nine. keith. yes, president, congress. -in answer, first of all i must thank ken for er, his erm, his comments. +in answer, first of all i must thank ken for er, his erm, his comments. erm, the delegate from northern region referring to allbright and wilson. i think what we have to understand, colleagues, is that this report actually is put to bed, print-wise, well in advance of this congress. it doesn't in any way claim to be an absolutely up to the minute report of absolutely everything that we've done in the previously twelve months since last congress, and quite frankly, it just could not be that. @@ -51512,23 +51471,23 @@ i'm delighted that you were pleased with the response. thank you. thanks very much, keith. colleagues, we now have a very pleasant er, duty. -i'm going to ask tom to make a presentation. +i'm going to ask tom to make a presentation. thanks very much er, president er, to mark the occasion of the launching of the british er, boxers' association we'd like to make a little er, presentation to barry , who's the president of that association and erm who you know, of course, is the chairman of the institute of professional sport and the professional boxers' association has got the honour of erm, immediately being part of that er, body and has the assistance, of course , of er, the many people involved there. from the g m b point of view, of course, we have quite a sporting section and we're proud to have this link er, with both of the organizations and we're pleased to have been of some assistance to the er, british boxers' asso professional boxers' association er, in er, this launch and establishment we felt, because we've got the scottish professional footballers, who are well established and er, are very much an integral part of the g m b and we've got the northern ireland er, footballers, we've got the rugby players and we've got speedway riders all of which come under . -mick , the national officer has been er, the link between these organizations and i hope that the er, professional erm, boxers' association will give some credit to the g m b in erm, establishing themselves and we hope, as an organization, that in the future that they can be successful and we can be sure they will be because they've not only got the likes of barry but they've got many other, prominent er, boxers who will, i'm sure, establish erm, the association in a very er, positive fashion. -can i, on behalf of er, the g m b, barry erm, make a presen presentation to you this is the er, first er, picture that was taken at the launch of the professional boxers' association. +mick , the national officer has been er, the link between these organizations and i hope that the er, professional erm, boxers' association will give some credit to the g m b in erm, establishing themselves and we hope, as an organization, that in the future that they can be successful and we can be sure they will be because they've not only got the likes of barry but they've got many other, prominent er, boxers who will, i'm sure, establish erm, the association in a very er, positive fashion. +can i, on behalf of er, the g m b, barry erm, make a presen presentation to you this is the er, first er, picture that was taken at the launch of the professional boxers' association. we had it mounted and we're proud and pleased to be able to present that to you on behalf of the g m b. -, of course, will er, go down the of history because it's their very first executives meeting. +, of course, will er, go down the of history because it's their very first executives meeting. many may they come back. thank you. -we had tried to get a couple of er, here in portsmouth but he had to attend , so we thought as we prepared for this conference this morning er, on the miners, that it would be appropriate to get a miner's lamp to put and have them simply inscribed with the erm, the memory of the occasion, which turned out to be +we had tried to get a couple of er, here in portsmouth but he had to attend , so we thought as we prepared for this conference this morning er, on the miners, that it would be appropriate to get a miner's lamp to put and have them simply inscribed with the erm, the memory of the occasion, which turned out to be president, tom erm, to president and congress, ladies and gentlemen er, i'd first of all just like to say thank you, a big thank you for your support. the professional boxers' association would try er, many years ago, and it didn't have the support of people like the g m b and the s p f. erm, i know there are a lot of genuine boxers that are members of the g m b and i want to thank you because we just want to know that . thank you very much indeed. professors er, congress. just very quickly i'd just like to endorse what barry has said, erm. -i was when i actually bumped into the bishop of the other day . +i was when i actually bumped into the bishop of the other day . but very, very quickly erm, i'm actually delighted that this organization has helped breathe the life into not only the professional boxers' association,we are extremely grateful. . thank you very much indeed. thanks very much indeed, barry and don't let anybody tell anybody in the trade union movement that the trade union movement is not moving. @@ -51536,7 +51495,7 @@ it's moving constantly and we're increasing all the time. thanks very much indeed, colleagues. colleagues now, back to the agenda. g m b trains a number of motions in this particular section, two four four, two four five, two four six, two four seven and two four eight. -there are a number of points of view the executive want to put and i'll be calling paul at the end of that debate. +there are a number of points of view the executive want to put and i'll be calling paul at the end of that debate. first one, motion two four four. southern region to move. other movers, if they would come down to the front, it would assist. @@ -51673,7 +51632,7 @@ formally seconded, thank you. motion two four seven, lancashire to move. john , lancashire region, moving motion two four seven er, the one you've all been waiting to support. congress, colleagues, i wanna begin by stressing that this motion is not about reducing the level of training the g m b offers its members. -what it is about is using our members' money to benefit the people who represent them by moving the responsibility of training from national to regional level. +what it is about is using our members' money to benefit the people who represent them by moving the responsibility of training from national to regional level. that in, in turn will allow the c e c to dispose of the national college and in the process it should ensure this future is safe. we have real difficulties getting financial information regarding the national college. you will be aware that the national college warrants a whole page in the general secretary's report. @@ -51683,7 +51642,7 @@ also, a total of thirteen thousand, three hundred and fifty three delegates used in the mid eighties we invested our members money in a national education centre, and now ten years later it's become a conference centre and a hotel and we're not fully booked, can be used for training the stewards, along with the occasional regional council meeting for the lancashire region. can i make a point to ya. normally, or sometimes rather, we use the college for our regional council and i, i think on the last meeting we were discussing, the regional council members were discussing, the er, the amalgamation. -and we were, how we were gonna combat it, and in the very next room were or rather holding a conference on how to do us in. +and we were, how we were gonna combat it, and in the very next room were or rather holding a conference on how to do us in. but, in our own college. congress, the g m b is renowned for its ability to represent people. trust house forte is equally famous for providing conference centres. @@ -51724,12 +51683,12 @@ bert. yeah. bert , the fulham one branch, london region. erm, speaking in opposition to the motion to shut down the college. -mike in the audience and he'll probably give me a rollicking afterwards, cos i haven't prepared anything about this and i suspect i won't be able to speak till the red light. +mike in the audience and he'll probably give me a rollicking afterwards, cos i haven't prepared anything about this and i suspect i won't be able to speak till the red light. the college is not is not an ideal site for education. the architect of the college built the hotel, a bar and stuck a couple of classrooms on the end. not withstanding that, i think it plays an extremely valuable role in the education and the training of our activists. it should not be looked upon as a cost, as a burden, but as an investment for our continuing prosperity in the trade union movement and more specifically the g m b. -people like myself, wouldn't have had the bottle, wouldn't have dreamed of coming up here if it hadn't been for the good work of people like mike and harry , who in my opinion do a superb job in training me, you, all of us in this union. +people like myself, wouldn't have had the bottle, wouldn't have dreamed of coming up here if it hadn't been for the good work of people like mike and harry , who in my opinion do a superb job in training me, you, all of us in this union. uniquely within the trade union movement, the g m b has a centre of excellence in manchester, because that's what it is. as i mentioned those tutors are possibly unrivalled in the world of trade union education. of course we should try and cut costs. @@ -51745,7 +51704,7 @@ you learn just as much in the corridors, in the bars, in the grounds, talking to oppose this motion. two four nine, birmingham. president, congress. -cliff er, birmingham and west midlands region, moving motion two four nine. +cliff er, birmingham and west midlands region, moving motion two four nine. this is addressed to an area which we seem to miss in our training. some four and a half years ago when i was elected as a branch secretary of a fairly substantial branch in the birmingham region, i had two hours with the then finance officer and he said, well it didn't last the two hours, and he said er, well you know all there is to know now, about how to run this branch. if you've got any problems have a look and see what people have done before, but if you make any mistakes, we'll write and tell you what you've done wrong. @@ -51761,12 +51720,12 @@ let's become professional at branch level, because at branch level is where we c i move. motion two four nine formally seconded? thank you very much. -i call paul to put the c e c position. +i call paul to put the c e c position. a jogging paul . erm paul , london region er, putting the response from the c e c. -can i first very quickly er, congratulate sue and eddie on behalf of the london region. +can i first very quickly er, congratulate sue and eddie on behalf of the london region. we understand they're about to or shortly become grandparents. -erm, well done er, the only thing that eddie now needs is hughie 's elocution pack and all his christmases will have come at once. +erm, well done er, the only thing that eddie now needs is hughie 's elocution pack and all his christmases will have come at once. erm, congress c e c has asked you to accept motion two four four with the qualification, support motions two four five, two four six and two four eight and accept motion two four nine also with the qualification. we are seeking the withdrawal of motion two four seven. motion two four four deals with the fundamental issues of new technology and developments towards greater union cooperation in europe. @@ -51776,7 +51735,7 @@ we really need a bit of time to evaluate that and that's the qualification that the idea of financial and administrative training in motion two four nine is a good one. however, it would be virtually impossible to force that onto people, on the branch officers and we recommend acceptance again with that qualification. just er, slightly deviating, i come to motion two four seven, which asks the c e c to dispose of the national college. -we recognize, all of us i'm sure, that during periods of tight, financial stringency most sectional activity is beyond examination and inspe inspection as mel who moved two four five requested. +we recognize, all of us i'm sure, that during periods of tight, financial stringency most sectional activity is beyond examination and inspe inspection as mel who moved two four five requested. but you know erm, the training committee's view that national college has already achieved savings and approved efficiency while mainin maintaining standards, and the huge number, over seven thousand g m b members participating in some form of activity at a national college last year. the college provides a national vocal point for the g m b and to both national and international vis visitors, symbolizing the best of this organization stands for. i think, that the movers of two four seven did not create, or seek to create an intention of concern, but you know there's something else that many speakers have done this week when they've come to this rostrum. @@ -51818,14 +51777,14 @@ to come through, to become conveners, branch secretaries, yes regional secretari so i'm particularly pleased this morning that the award is going to a young woman and i'm equally more pleased that it's going to a young woman from the lancashire region. and i'm more pleased that it's going to a young member in the textiles section because that's a very difficult section. we all know textiles has had the grind for years and years and years and all our activity, all our activists, the shop stewards and the branch secretaries and conveners in that particular section, they need a lot of support, especially the young people. -and in this connection, the award this year goes to catherine who already has got a fairly formidable pedigree in the movement, shop steward, member of a branch committee, trades council, young members' advisory committee, the national committee but i think best thing so far, she's actually chaired the t u c young members' conference and that's an achievement for this union as well. +and in this connection, the award this year goes to catherine who already has got a fairly formidable pedigree in the movement, shop steward, member of a branch committee, trades council, young members' advisory committee, the national committee but i think best thing so far, she's actually chaired the t u c young members' conference and that's an achievement for this union as well. so, i hope she goes places, i really do because young members and young trade unionists in this union are gonna get this union's support so, go back to your branches and tell everybody that. we want 'em to come through. -colleagues, it's my pleasure to make the award to catherine on behalf of your, your union. +colleagues, it's my pleasure to make the award to catherine on behalf of your, your union. thank you. er, i'd like to say thanks to me branch for nominating me up first place for this award. -i'd also like to say special thanks to me regional secretary, ernie and also regional president, mel . -er, special thanks also to neil for all support and encouragement that he's given me. +i'd also like to say special thanks to me regional secretary, ernie and also regional president, mel . +er, special thanks also to neil for all support and encouragement that he's given me. i'd like to say that i do sit on t u c youth forum and the g m b have the strongest, most active youth section so let's keep it that way and give our young members all the support and encouragement they deserve. i would just like again to say special thanks to ernie, mel and neil for all their support and i hope they're gonna be first in bar to buy me a drink. okay, now in this connection colleagues, the deputy general secretary's report, pages one o eight, one o nine, one one o, one one one, one one two and one one three, and i call composite motion number nine, unemployment of young people, southern region. @@ -51926,59 +51885,58 @@ what sort of employers are there out there, that exploiting these young people? it's a disgrace and we should campaign and find out where these employers are and publicly put 'em to shame. what a way to treat young people. what a way to run an economy. - -before starting the formal business, i would ask members to stand in silence as a tribute to the former lord mayor, the late councillor move to the election of lord mayor. +before starting the formal business, i would ask members to stand in silence as a tribute to the former lord mayor, the late councillor move to the election of lord mayor. have i a nomination for the office of lord mayor for the year? thank you very much. is that seconded? yes er chairman i i formally second that. -thank you very much councillor councillor i understand you have waived your right to speak to the nomination in favour of councillor . -councillor would you please like to s -gives me pleasure to be involved in the nomination for the office of lord april 1992 for s councillor . -it has been my pleasure and privilege to have known since 1967 when he made me a member of the labour party. -since that time i have come to know him and his wife and i can vouch that together they will be first class first citizens of and the office of the lord mayorality will continue to be respected and dignified and enhanced by their terms of office. -before i reveal to the distinguished company gathered here this morning some of councillor good works, i feel it incumbent upon me and appropriate to pay tribute to councillor , our lord mayor, who died in office in april and i offer my sincere condolences to mrs from my party and the council. -councillor has lived and worked all his life in with the exception of his war service in the army which was spent in the south of england, of which i will make mention later. +thank you very much councillor councillor i understand you have waived your right to speak to the nomination in favour of councillor . +councillor would you please like to s +gives me pleasure to be involved in the nomination for the office of lord april 1992 for s councillor . +it has been my pleasure and privilege to have known since 1967 when he made me a member of the labour party. +since that time i have come to know him and his wife and i can vouch that together they will be first class first citizens of and the office of the lord mayorality will continue to be respected and dignified and enhanced by their terms of office. +before i reveal to the distinguished company gathered here this morning some of councillor good works, i feel it incumbent upon me and appropriate to pay tribute to councillor , our lord mayor, who died in office in april and i offer my sincere condolences to mrs from my party and the council. +councillor has lived and worked all his life in with the exception of his war service in the army which was spent in the south of england, of which i will make mention later. , i am told, did not come into politics, he was born into politics and i understand that his parents were strong and prominent members of the independent labour party and the labour party. and i share some common history, for in our early adult life, both of us have held high office in the anglican church. -we have both held the office of head server, he at and i at and both of us remain members of the anglican church. +we have both held the office of head server, he at and i at and both of us remain members of the anglican church. the word commitment is extremely important because whatever has happened, and goodness knows what will happen in politics, commitment to the labour party and loyalty to the council will remain. -the essential driving force is always difficult to define but the one thing that has struck me about is his intolerance of injustice wherever it presents itself. +the essential driving force is always difficult to define but the one thing that has struck me about is his intolerance of injustice wherever it presents itself. i make this point because i am sure that during his year of office he will continue his fight against injustice and let officers of the council and the labour group be aware. has held just about every office it is possible to hold in the labour party. he has been prominent, not only in ward organisation but also in constituency party organisation. -my recollections of will always be around that of treasurer. +my recollections of will always be around that of treasurer. the labour party has always been solvent whenever and wherever he was in office. in fact, when i joined the party in 1967, i was charged six shillings for my annual subscription. the following year i was refunded three and ninepence by his successor because i had been over-charged. -there are a considerable number of labour party members sitting in this council chamber who have given a greater financial contribution than they ever expected to make because was treasurer. +there are a considerable number of labour party members sitting in this council chamber who have given a greater financial contribution than they ever expected to make because was treasurer. he was prominent in the co-operative movement and party over many years, during which he held various offices. he worked in the private sector of industry in the w d in the wool industry for many years when wool was the staple industry of . -later he came to work at the house which was his first entry into local government. -from here he entered n a l g o and held high office within the union and many members have to thank for representing them at pay s pay negotiations etcetera. +later he came to work at the house which was his first entry into local government. +from here he entered n a l g o and held high office within the union and many members have to thank for representing them at pay s pay negotiations etcetera. he was a founder members of the n a l g o sports and social club, along with councillor,s sorry, along with former councillor . there was always political sparring around the bar when these two people were present and i am told that not many rounds were bought, but many rounds were fought. -in 1981, the same year as retired from working life, he was elected to metropolitan county council, eventually becoming chair of the prestigious personnel committee. +in 1981, the same year as retired from working life, he was elected to metropolitan county council, eventually becoming chair of the prestigious personnel committee. of course, these were difficult years and the life of his term of office on the county council was extended by one year by the government because of , because abolition was imminent. -so 1986 was elected a member of the council for ward. +so 1986 was elected a member of the council for ward. at the first meeting of the labour group he was elected secretary, a position which he has held until today. has always involved himself with the community and it was during his first term of office here that one of our cherished hopes came to fruition, a community centre for , called the village hall. -meanwhile, over at , also in the ward, there was a new replacement building for community association which, incidentally, under his chairmanship, goes from strength to strength. +meanwhile, over at , also in the ward, there was a new replacement building for community association which, incidentally, under his chairmanship, goes from strength to strength. serving on the housing committee and then on the social services and strategic housing committee, and back to the housing committee, has devoted his work to this area of council activity. -vice chair, i have given the council, i believe, many good reasons for electing to the office of lord mayor for this year. -but i promised earlier in my speech that i would mention service in the royal artillery during the second world war where he rose to the rank of sergeant. +vice chair, i have given the council, i believe, many good reasons for electing to the office of lord mayor for this year. +but i promised earlier in my speech that i would mention service in the royal artillery during the second world war where he rose to the rank of sergeant. he was put in charge of a huge gun protecting the south coast of england from any invasion. this gun was in fact called his majesty's gun blastbuster and it required a contingent of a hundred troops to operate it. the idea was that, when the right moment came, the gun would be transported over the sea to assist with the allied invasion of germany. however, the cost of the efficiency of the royal engineers in blowing up bridges, the gun never left these shores because most of the bridges was not strong enough to withstand it. was disappointed but pleased that the war was coming to an end. -essentially is a man of peace, even if he doesn't always give that appearance. +essentially is a man of peace, even if he doesn't always give that appearance. can tell many stories about this gun and recently, when another gun er was being assembled for transporting to another country, was able to explain with the aid of a photograph that such guns have existed and this received publicity in the telegraph and argus. -forty two years ago was married to . +forty two years ago was married to . i haven't said anything yet about . she too, has many accomplishments, worked for many years in the rating and valuation office, now the district valuer's office. is an amazingly calm person and by her intuitive skills can bring peace to h to heated situations, an exceptionally useful gift when married to a politician. -she will make an excellent lady mayoress and will keep calm through the more turbulent moments of being chair of this council. +she will make an excellent lady mayoress and will keep calm through the more turbulent moments of being chair of this council. there is nothing more to say except i hope that their year of office will be filled with happiness and wish them well with all their endeavours on behalf of council. councillor , do you wish to speak? yes, thank you very much er @@ -51988,62 +51946,62 @@ but i was a commanded to go to a seminar. now seminar in point of fact was new to my vocabulary and i had ideas of it being some sematic ritual with a small operation at the end of it. in fact, it wasn't. ah, thank you very much, yes. -now, shortly will be donning the mantle of a very demanding office and i'm sure er that you will fulfil that office with dignity and respect ah and i wish you, on behalf of the group, a very very happy and successful year to both you and your good lady. +now, shortly will be donning the mantle of a very demanding office and i'm sure er that you will fulfil that office with dignity and respect ah and i wish you, on behalf of the group, a very very happy and successful year to both you and your good lady. now, you did once tell me, very very recently in fact, that you were the the father of this council s with rather a contradiction in fact was that because i've seen you trotting around the corridors of this er this council and it you're more like the baby of the council than er than the father, but i i do bow to your superior knowledge of councilling. so with that er honourable guests, vice chairman, councillors, ah i wish you on behalf of the conservative group, a happy full and successful year of o office. thank you very much vice chairman. -does any other member wish to speak or put councillor . -yes,, i've never heard the er the full title before, it's always just been er so i was so as far as i've always heard it. -er, councillor said how long he he's known er er and i think he said he also got him into the the labour party on the first meeting on their early meeting. -my first meeting with was e a i doubt whether he actually remembers er but it was actually on an inter city, i don't know whether he does remember, on an inter city back from london erm three or four years ago when h he also tried to get me to join the labour party if i remember rightly. -one thing that can be said about is that he he's never drab. -erm, local government and local council work is often seen as being very drab and indeed we all know that it's becoming probably less exciting nowadays with the constraints that there are and what councils still require er in abundance are characters, people who bring a bit of excitement to council affairs w i at whatever level and i think that one thing that has is character, sadly missing in so many younger politicians i must say. +does any other member wish to speak or put councillor . +yes,, i've never heard the er the full title before, it's always just been er so i was so as far as i've always heard it. +er, councillor said how long he he's known er er and i think he said he also got him into the the labour party on the first meeting on their early meeting. +my first meeting with was e a i doubt whether he actually remembers er but it was actually on an inter city, i don't know whether he does remember, on an inter city back from london erm three or four years ago when h he also tried to get me to join the labour party if i remember rightly. +one thing that can be said about is that he he's never drab. +erm, local government and local council work is often seen as being very drab and indeed we all know that it's becoming probably less exciting nowadays with the constraints that there are and what councils still require er in abundance are characters, people who bring a bit of excitement to council affairs w i at whatever level and i think that one thing that has is character, sadly missing in so many younger politicians i must say. so it's a pleasure really, i think it's true, i think there are very many people who undermine and er undervalue the contribution made by people who have been in politics for a long time and i think what they also forget is the level of commitment that these people have put in over many many years. it's very easy for young people to come into politics, full of enthusiasm and full up of get up get up and go and many of them get up and go after a few years. -so i take my hat off to any person from any party who is involved in political life for such a long time because it's an effort and it requires a sacrifice er not only to the but also to careers and perhaps, most important of all, to family life. +so i take my hat off to any person from any party who is involved in political life for such a long time because it's an effort and it requires a sacrifice er not only to the but also to careers and perhaps, most important of all, to family life. so i take my hat off to . i wish him a a successful year, a happy year and a busy year and i'm sure that he will be a credit to all of us on the council. thank you. does any other member wish to speak? -all those in favour of councillor please show. -i declare councillor duly elected lord mayor. +all those in favour of councillor please show. +i declare councillor duly elected lord mayor. i,, having been elected to the office of lord mayor, declare that i take thi that office upon myself and will duly and faithfully fulfil the duties of it according to the best of my judgement and ability. i undertake to be guided by the national code of local government conduct in the performance of my functions in that office have i a nomination for the office of vice chair of council? i'd like to nominate the present vice chair, as the vice chair for the coming year. have i a second? are there any other nominations? -that being so, all those in favour of the nomination of councillor please show . +that being so, all those in favour of the nomination of councillor please show . there is obviously a clear majority. -i declare councillor duly appointed vice chair of council. +i declare councillor duly appointed vice chair of council. i,,be having been elected to the office of vice chair, declare that i take that office upon myself and will duly and faithfully fulfil the duties of it according to the best of my judgement and ability. i undertake to be guided by the national code of local government conduct in the performance of any functions in that office will you please be upstanding whilst the lord mayor departs from the council chamber? honourary freeman, members of parliament, members of council, distinguished guests, reverend sirs, ladies and gentlemen. -i would like to thank councillor , councillor , councillor er councillor for the kind things that have been said about me in proposing my nomination as lord mayor. +i would like to thank councillor , councillor , councillor er councillor for the kind things that have been said about me in proposing my nomination as lord mayor. i didn't recognise myself, to be honest, er i anticipated all sorts of revelations to b have been made but er they didn't appear. however, i must tell you, yes i am i do and have been treasurer of various organisations. i am a treasurer who likes to keep hold of the money, i like to receive it, i don't like to give it out. it reminds me of the words of robbie burns, oh would the gods the gift to gi us, to see ourselves as others see us. my wife and i are very conscious of the very high honour that you have bestowed upon us and i must also thank my party for proposing, and you all for electing, me to the office of lord mayor for the metropolitan city of . this is an unusual and sad occasion because the man we elected as lord mayor twelve months ago is no longer with us. -but one thing is very clear, that councillor will go down in the history of this city as one of it's most outstanding sons, who endeared himself to people in all walks of life. +but one thing is very clear, that councillor will go down in the history of this city as one of it's most outstanding sons, who endeared himself to people in all walks of life. he graced his office with dignity and performed his duties with such excellence that i know i may have difficulty in walking in his footsteps. he was lucky to have the support of his family, but above all, in having as his lady mayoress a wife who showed him such love and devotion, in sickness and in health. -no-one could have tended and him night and day in his illness as she did. +no-one could have tended and him night and day in his illness as she did. , you are with us today and i assure you that all members of of council join me in conveying our love, affection and good wishes to you. however, i must com comment on the way that since christmas the vice chair of council has undertaken the many civic duties he has been called upon to perform, assisted by his wife . while some of us have sought to help, the real weight of responsibility has fallen on his shoulders and those of his wife and i'm sure all members of council will join with me in saying a very real thank you to them both. -now comment was made during the er nominations to this office. +now comment was made during the er nominations to this office. i can never understand quite why the press are so keen to know somebody's age, it doesn't matter what you do, what you are, but they want to know how old you are. -well, as councillor told you, i am the father of the council. +well, as councillor told you, i am the father of the council. if i live, and i certainly am intending doing, until the twenty seventh of august of this year, i shall have reached the ripe old age of seventy five. well done i'm always willing to stand down if somebody can claim to be a little older. i know that the new members of council have been welcomed into our midst and it must be along time since there've been so many changes. remarkable that out of thirty people elected last may, fifteen of them are new to this council, a staggering seventeen percent of the council if you do it statistically. to them i'll say you'll find things are strange for a time but, with the help of your colleagues, you'll soon find your feet but, for yourselves, avoid falling into the bad habits of others. -and resolve to take an active part in the in this chamber, but in particular in committee and sub-committees where the real work takes place. +and resolve to take an active part in the in this chamber, but in particular in committee and sub-committees where the real work takes place. it's only a few days since i was sitting in the seats you all occupy, realising the difficult job that a lord mayor has to undertake in keeping members in order. now it's my turn to perform that task and i am sure you are all going to turn over a new leaf and make things easy for me. i hope so. @@ -52057,12 +52015,12 @@ i want the city hall to stop being a drab place but to ring to the laughter and for the people of this city like to meet and greet the lord mayor and the lady mayoress, we will strive to meet as many people in all walks of life as possible. during the past year, a difficult year, we have seen the beginnings of change taking place. whilst the country is still in a continuing and worsening economic depression, and while unemployment rises daily, we must be prepared to meet the challenge, must not miss the opportunities that undoubtedly will come our way. -the development is about to take off, there is a promise of the electrification of the rail network link with , progress on the trunk road is now a firm promise and it's likely that we shall have er er the trolley buses running in after very many years. +the development is about to take off, there is a promise of the electrification of the rail network link with , progress on the trunk road is now a firm promise and it's likely that we shall have er er the trolley buses running in after very many years. is it too much to ask that interest rates hopefully continue to fall at the f elected on the second of may and wish them an enjoyable and fruitful term of office. as they call out the names of the new members, i would like them to stand so they can all recognise and welcome them. -councillor -councillor +councillor +councillor councillor councillor councillor @@ -52078,12 +52036,12 @@ councillor and councillor members will be aware be careful. -members will be aware that ex-councillors and were unsuccessful at the polls and i wish to ask the council to place on record its thanks to their contribution to the work of this council made by those members and to wish them well in the future. +members will be aware that ex-councillors and were unsuccessful at the polls and i wish to ask the council to place on record its thanks to their contribution to the work of this council made by those members and to wish them well in the future. hear hear er, inspection of internal documents. -are there any to report. +are there any to report. there are no er no restricted documents, lord mayor. -i call upon councillor to move that the dates of the council meetings for 1991 ninety two be as set out in the council agen genda. +i call upon councillor to move that the dates of the council meetings for 1991 ninety two be as set out in the council agen genda. i move, lord mayor. seconded? do you wish to speak? @@ -52092,7 +52050,7 @@ ok. pass. overwhelmingly. move on to standing orders. -i call upon councillor to move the adoption of standing orders, including powers and duties, together with amendments fees standing in his name. +i call upon councillor to move the adoption of standing orders, including powers and duties, together with amendments fees standing in his name. i move lord mayor and in so doing to say that the controlling group can accept the amendment proposed by the conservative group on standing order c six a. sec seconded my lord mayor. clarification that that's the er just the amendment relating to where you were trying to take away the rights of ward members to attend?as you have taken away the rights of members on questions, comments er and other things @@ -52106,13 +52064,13 @@ no lord mayor. alright. therefore i will as ask for those in favour of the substantive motion, including amendment a as moved by councillor . do we? -we've got the motions here those in favour -do we need +we've got the motions here those in favour +do we need oh, i'm sorry. those in favour of amendment a moved by councillor ? -we'll do it correct those against? +we'll do it correct those against? +that's lost that's lost -that's lost lost. thirty three to fifty three. those in favour of the substantive motion please show. @@ -52120,15 +52078,15 @@ that will incorporates that incorporates par c six a -p it in it includes the am amendment moved by er the amendment b standing in the name councillor but it equally includes that part of er the amendment c six a. all those in favour please show? -i don't know why they aren't voting in favour to be honest +p it in it includes the am amendment moved by er the amendment b standing in the name councillor but it equally includes that part of er the amendment c six a. all those in favour please show? +i don't know why they aren't voting in favour to be honest those against. well, it's obviously a lot less than fifty three, isn't it? don't be too sure of that councillor . you c can't see behind you, y'know. . no no i can i can call it again if you want to but. -i call upon councillor to move the adoption of standing orders for contracts and financial regulations. +i call upon councillor to move the adoption of standing orders for contracts and financial regulations. lord mayor. is there a seconder? do you wish to speak on this matter? @@ -52139,15 +52097,15 @@ and those against those against? i'll give ya a chance. oh, you're not voting again. -well, it's overwhelming isn't it? -i call upon councillor to move the appointment to committees as set out in the sheets circulated round the chamber. +well, it's overwhelming isn't it? +i call upon councillor to move the appointment to committees as set out in the sheets circulated round the chamber. councillor ? i move lord mayor seconded, councillor ? all those in favour -all those in favour please show well it looks unanimous. +all those in favour please show well it looks unanimous. i'd say it's a unanimous decision is that. -call upon councillor to move the adoption of the cycle of meetings for 1991 ninety two as set out on the council agenda, together with amendment c standing in his name. +call upon councillor to move the adoption of the cycle of meetings for 1991 ninety two as set out on the council agenda, together with amendment c standing in his name. i move lord mayor seconded? seconded lord mayor @@ -52156,17 +52114,16 @@ unanimous unanimous. that completes the business of this cou council meeting. thank you very much. - can you tell me a little bit about your family? what did your father do for a living? my father was a miner, all his life. well i say all his life er er early, in the early days he was er a groom to a veterinary surgeon in manchester. -and er course i i don't know a lot about his early life cos er i was young to remember it. +and er course i i don't know a lot about his early life cos er i was young to remember it. and er what pit was he at? he w er he was in er at underwood. he worked at underwood pit when they were came to this district and then they came into the newthorpe common district and er and then er we moved from newthorpe common and he went to williamthorpe for a short while, only from erm probably eighteen months to two years, that's as much as did there. and er we lived at a village called homewood near heath there, then we moved back from there he moved back to er underwood again. -and mother kept a shop, a sweet shop, on eastwood, opposite where they eventually built the eastwood empire. +and mother kept a shop, a sweet shop, on eastwood, opposite where they eventually built the eastwood empire. and what did your father do er as a miner, what was his job? he was a butty on the coal face. and what did that entail? @@ -52180,7 +52137,7 @@ s and on friday, on that friday mother used to go to eastwood hall to collect the er er the wages that my father had to pay out to the men. and then he'd bring that home, you see? she'd bring that home and er the men would all congregate then round the table at home, and he would pay them out. -and sometimes he had to go upstairs to fetch some of his own money to put to it to pay them out. +and sometimes he had to go upstairs to fetch some of his own money to put to it to pay them out. that was before there was a minimum wage. and what sort of wages were they getting? do you know? @@ -52220,14 +52177,14 @@ and er i got roped into it one year because i had to stop in for something or ot and er i i was pulled in to take a little part in this play er i remember that. what play was that? erm it was about it was about aeroplanes and it was when aeroplanes were in the very early stage. -and there was a song i can't quite can't quite remember it now. +and there was a song i can't quite can't quite remember it now. what the song was that we had to sing on this stage, with it. -and i used to go to the methodist chapel that was opposite the school, there. +and i used to go to the methodist chapel that was opposite the school, there. and er i i joined the band of hope there and i signed the pledge . what what was that? what was the band of hope? it was a s er like a sunday school bible class. -er and er i say i signed the pledge never to touch intoxicating liquors, which i kept for until i was thirty five. +er and er i say i signed the pledge never to touch intoxicating liquors, which i kept for until i was thirty five. i was thirty five before i ever touched a drop of intoxicating liquor. and erm er have you got any other memories about your school, can you remember any of the teachers? yes erm a the er headmaster at d lim at er at er bellvale schools was then mr . @@ -52235,24 +52192,24 @@ his name was mr . he was a very strict man the headmaster, cos i remember one little incident that i thought was rather harsh. er they used to march us round the playground you see and er i was in the back row and of course the teacher was at the front more or less. and er i was dragging behind a few paces and the headmaster was watching out of his study window you see? -and er he called me in, i had the cane for that and i had to tell the mess boy . +and er he called me in, i had the cane for that and i had to tell the mess boy . and what about the kind of lessons you ha you had? what sort of lessons did you have? -well we had slates then, i can remember we had slates and er we used to have arithmetic lessons and er history. +well we had slates then, i can remember we had slates and er we used to have arithmetic lessons and er history. i can remember those sort of things, what we used to have to do. -but er it was only u until i left the school cos i was only a matter of eight when i left that school so er i wasn't in a it wasn't in any progressive sort of style then i mean we wer it was more rudiments of education that we were taught and er +but er it was only u until i left the school cos i was only a matter of eight when i left that school so er i wasn't in a it wasn't in any progressive sort of style then i mean we wer it was more rudiments of education that we were taught and er what what where did you move to when you moved from that school ? we moved from there to gedling and why was that? we moved dad came to gedling pit. by the way they they sank gedling pit, they cut the first sod the year i was born nineteen oh two. -and er little history of that, that was sunk by some irishmen and they reckon they sank the iri they sank that pit without the aid of a plumb-bob. how true it is. +and er little history of that, that was sunk by some irishmen and they reckon they sank the iri they sank that pit without the aid of a plumb-bob. how true it is. a german firm froze the the b the the the the b sandstone there's a er the what do they call it? the bunters the bunters . that was water and the german firm sunk the froze that while they went through it. but coming back, we moved again as i say and it was in the er winter. and it was a terrible winter that winter, there was about a foot of snow on the ground and i remember slayney's moved us with er er a pair of horses and er and er a little removal van. -and i can i can vividly remember now coming along nuthall road towards nuthall from kimberley and seeing all the telegraph wires hanging down, pushed down to the floor, broken, with the weight of snow. +and i can i can vividly remember now coming along nuthall road towards nuthall from kimberley and seeing all the telegraph wires hanging down, pushed down to the floor, broken, with the weight of snow. and that was i it was, as i was saying in early january. er that was in nineteen hundred and twelve, that was. and twelve or eleven, nineteen elev i either eleven or twelve. @@ -52267,7 +52224,7 @@ so. yes. and erm. i didn't stay at that school long before i moved down to erm the er tins school on chandler street. -that was a series of tin corrugated iron classrooms, that was, and the first the first teacher i had there was a mr and he got a real fierce face and a fierce tash and he he was a r a right lad he was. +that was a series of tin corrugated iron classrooms, that was, and the first the first teacher i had there was a mr and he got a real fierce face and a fierce tash and he he was a r a right lad he was. and in the he he he'd give you the thrashing if just lifted your fingers up. and we used to there at there at that school every morning we hads to line in the in the playground and he used inspect your hands for cleanliness, and your shoes. your shoes always had to be clean, brushed, you see? @@ -52276,16 +52233,16 @@ so we were always in trouble for appearing w we got dirty shoes you see? so we evolved a brilliant idea of hiding a brush in an old tree at the end of the dyke so that we could brush the dirt off afore we got there. but that was that was quite a good school, went through there via a mr , he was a very nice teacher, very efficient, and he didn't believe in the cane, he didn't. he er he believed in other punishment lines and that description but er i liked that chap er very nice chap. -and that was the headmaster there was mr he was. +and that was the headmaster there was mr he was. and from there we moved to the the secondary school that is now at station road at gedling, it was a new school, brand new school built, er purpose built. -and er we the tea the class all the boys it were all boys er we we had to carry each carry a chair up to the new school . +and er we the tea the class all the boys it were all boys er we we had to carry each carry a chair up to the new school . and erm =ut er th that that was quite a quite a good school, quite a modern school but i i'd er i'd er i wasn't able to stay there long because i was approaching my thirteenth birthday you see than. i did go to night school there to to learn joinery. they used to have a joinery class there. but er i went from there er i er i was thirteen on august the twenty fifth, nineteen fifteen. that's right. and of course we broke up, we broke up on the first of august er for the er month holiday you see? -but er i'd er got a job . +but er i'd er got a job . don't know how i got it when my father got it for me. in the offices at gedling pit, and i started work on august the third. that was three weeks before i was four thirteen then. @@ -52304,7 +52261,7 @@ and of course that was the wages book, that was made up out of that. and er and they the the afternoon shift used to come on and i used to have to carry all these checks across then, the yard and take 'em and hang 'em up in the in the check-weigh on the pit top where they weighed the wagons of coals. the the tubs of coal not the wagons. and er i used to have to prepare the er the er timber er orders for the men in the stall down the er er down the pits. -the the deputies had prepared er they'd er there'd be a stall say erm n n nineties or like that might be, and the order for them would probably be, twelve four foot props, and twelve bars, you see? +the the deputies had prepared er they'd er there'd be a stall say erm n n nineties or like that might be, and the order for them would probably be, twelve four foot props, and twelve bars, you see? that was a timber prop and a timber half a prop for a bar to carry the roof. but my instructions were that what the deputy ordered, and i used to make a book up for the yardmen to prepare these. and my instructions were that i i used to either let them have two thirds of that or a half, you see? @@ -52330,7 +52287,7 @@ of course the temptation er er had got to be er we'd got to earn money erm so er as soon as you're fourteen, down the pits you go you see? and er i went into the high hazel seam. which is a four hundred yards and it was an inset, the top hard seam was ninety yards lower down at the four hundred and ninety yards to the and the high hazel used to have an inset. -you see the cage used to go down to that and it used to you see?the f the four for you to get off you see? +you see the cage used to go down to that and it used to you see?the f the four for you to get off you see? and yeah. get on. @@ -52338,21 +52295,21 @@ pardon me. and er that's how it was when they were running the coal on, tubs of coal onto it. and er another thing that used to happen though, if anything happened to that shaft, you see? er there used to be a a a a an inlet to the other shaft, you see there was an inlet shaft that was all boxed in, that was the top hard that went down four hundred and ninety yards you see? -now if anything had been wrong with this shaft we used to have to go to the other shaft and ride that rope you see? -but there there was no facilities for running on you see and when when we had to ride that one, the chair would come down to this inset ninety yards you see? +now if anything had been wrong with this shaft we used to have to go to the other shaft and ride that rope you see? +but there there was no facilities for running on you see and when when we had to ride that one, the chair would come down to this inset ninety yards you see? but it was about anything like two to three feet away from the side of the and they used to drop a plank down you see? and you had to run along the plank to get on. -and there were a ninety yard dr drop but er had it happen it very often of course, but it was rather unnerving when it did happen. +and there were a ninety yard dr drop but er had it happen it very often of course, but it was rather unnerving when it did happen. and wha what did they pay you for this then? now what was i on? i wer i started on ten shillings a week there, down there, at er fourteen. ten shillings a week that was. and you worked different hours? -yeah i worked six till two. +yeah i worked six till two. six till two that was. and i worked in the pit bottom for a start, for about three or four months, in the pit bottom. you see coal used to come down one incline and the and and it used to knock the empties off, two empties off, you see? -and there was catches on the chair and you used to be ab a lad used to stand there and he used to pull a lever and he used to level these catches and the tubs would run off and then as two ran off he'd let it go and it would catch the empties you see then. +and there was catches on the chair and you used to be ab a lad used to stand there and he used to pull a lever and he used to level these catches and the tubs would run off and then as two ran off he'd let it go and it would catch the empties you see then. and one of my jobs was to push these empties round and round the empty tubs? the empty @@ -52364,13 +52321,13 @@ did you have any safety well equipment? we we used to have mole skins, mother used to buy mole skins because er they wore very well they did. -but er a flannel shirt and mole skins but er er that was while you were in the pit bottom you see? -and er you see the air used to come down our shaft. +but er a flannel shirt and mole skins but er er that was while you were in the pit bottom you see? +and er you see the air used to come down our shaft. our shaft was open all open, the other shaft was all boxed in and there was a huge fan you see? just below the surface of that shaft and that's that used to draw the air down our shaft, all around the workings, you see? and back up this other shaft, you see? -well i went from the pit bottom i went er stake-ganging then. -with a horse, i had a horse then, and er there u there used to be er there used to be three or four of us there with horses and we we used to the the the from the coal face there used to be all individual horses bringing odd tubs into a turnout what we called a turner which was a collection of different tubs you see? +well i went from the pit bottom i went er stake-ganging then. +with a horse, i had a horse then, and er there u there used to be er there used to be three or four of us there with horses and we we used to the the the from the coal face there used to be all individual horses bringing odd tubs into a turnout what we called a turner which was a collection of different tubs you see? the full tubs. and then that was a short stint that was, so that one horse, called spring his name was, he was a smasher he was. he used to bring these tubs down into a long turnout. @@ -52391,7 +52348,7 @@ cos i was fifteen you see? the coal mines act said that i shouldn't go on the face until i was sixteen but er the war was on. it was er nineteen seventeen you see? and so nobody thought about invoking the coal mines act, you just had to go, and er and i went. -and er the old man, they they used to call him the iron man and he was the iron man. +and er the old man, they they used to call him the iron man and he was the iron man. and i'll never forget him, the first shift i went on afternoon shift. quarter to three till quarter to ten and er we came out of stall at quarter to ten at night. i'd been loading for him, loading the t coal into tubs and tramming them. @@ -52412,11 +52369,11 @@ what sort of tools did you use? we used to have a pick, er er that was a blade that had a slot in it and you had a pick shaft with a box and er a an iron box on the top. and you used to put the pick blade into it and it was a piece cut out of it,th the blade you see? and er then you had a cotter that you drove in underneath it, and it secured the pick because -every night, you've got to take those blades out of the pit and have them sharpened, you see? +every night, you've got to take those blades out of the pit and have them sharpened, you see? and there used to be a man had a little forge on the top, a chap named , an old man. and you used to pay him i don't know how mush it was a week now. but you used to have to pay him, once a week, for sharpening your blades, you see? -you used to with three or four blades, in time what we see. +you used to with three or four blades, in time what we see. and er er drop them in the in the blacksmith's shop, and then when he'd finished with them, when he'd done 'em, they'd all be in a tub down at the pit bottom. and you'd go and sort your bundle out you see? and carry them in. @@ -52439,57 +52396,57 @@ and you had to carry your lamp in your teeth, you see? and on your belt, when you're walking and you had a a lamp hook, which was got a very sharp spike on it you see, and when you was working er shovelling,you'd stick it in a prop you see? and they'd hang up, you see? erm that's how we used to work that is. -and it all depended on where you were, now i remember one time we were working and er both ends were in you won't know what that meant. +and it all depended on where you were, now i remember one time we were working and er both ends were in you won't know what that meant. but you see the we'd got no stall that end open to us and no stall that end, and the gate was down but we working to breakthrough to get some fresh air through from there. -and er i remember we used to get the gas then, and er that was at a time they were used have an electric lamp we had had one in the stall, you see? +and er i remember we used to get the gas then, and er that was at a time they were used have an electric lamp we had had one in the stall, you see? one electric lamp the others all be the the butty would have the electric lamp, and he'd also carry an oil lamp for testing for gas, and er i can remember going nearly a whole shift having to carry this lamp right down on the floor, carry it up into the heading you see? -and when you got into any gas, a blue flame used to come on the top of your lamp pop, gone. +and when you got into any gas, a blue flame used to come on the top of your lamp pop, gone. back you'd go then to the we used to have a a a a machine then, an electric box affair, that used to put your lamp in, it would set your wick at a certain angle that there wo made a spark and when you'd close this up, it caused a spark that would light your wick again you see? and what about was there safter safer ways for testing for gas? for fire damp? only canaries. but we didn't have any canaries. -no, they only had them the the er rescue operations, rescue men. +no, they only had them the the er rescue operations, rescue men. did you have any safety equipment? at all? ooh no no no. no we didn't have any safety equipment. -now +now i remember being in one time, with both ends in, like i were talking about, and we haven't got a road out,we matter of fact we were trying to break through to another district. and er the gate end came in, that's where the gate men and er we were trapped in there, there were three of us, and we couldn't get out, and we were there ooh about twelve hours before they managed to get us out. -and er i remember one one chap he were a bit scared, very much so, and oh dear dear dear, he'd only been within other bloke, a chap a chap from , what was his name now? +and er i remember one one chap he were a bit scared, very much so, and oh dear dear dear, he'd only been within other bloke, a chap a chap from , what was his name now? i don't know. -he . +he . so of course i had to take my lead from him, i was only youngster then. -but er we got out eventually, and they managed to get a road through to us, and but er and er i remember another time where a bank came in and they were one man trapped in the far end and there were another man trapped on this end and my brother and me we we dug round to him, we got to him, we got him bared so far and what to his waist, and it was still bitting and we got hold of his belt,right, ready? +but er we got out eventually, and they managed to get a road through to us, and but er and er i remember another time where a bank came in and they were one man trapped in the far end and there were another man trapped on this end and my brother and me we we dug round to him, we got to him, we got him bared so far and what to his waist, and it was still bitting and we got hold of his belt,right, ready? now, pull. you see? and we'd pull and his belt broke, you see? -and we shot backwards and down it all come again, killed him. +and we shot backwards and down it all come again, killed him. if his belt hadn't broke we should have got him out. but er the other chap at the other end, his his name was , bob . -er they managed to tunnel in for from the other end to him, and er his hairs gone white. +er they managed to tunnel in for from the other end to him, and er his hairs gone white. oh er. now what about the trade union, were you involved in the trade union? well we we had miners' association? notts miners' trade union then, and a matter of fact me dad was o on the committee, he was a committee member of that, on that. -but erm we used to have a little shed, a little hut in the pit yard, where we used to go and pay our dues, every week +but erm we used to have a little shed, a little hut in the pit yard, where we used to go and pay our dues, every week how much were the dues? -only thruppence a week, dues were scuse me . -and er another thing we had as well, that the union had ar had er fixed for us, and that was a family doctor. +only thruppence a week, dues were scuse me . +and er another thing we had as well, that the union had ar had er fixed for us, and that was a family doctor. and we used to pay the old man used to pay thruppence a week for the family doctor, you see? so we never had any doctors' bills. the man used to come round and collect that, a chap named . -he used to come and collect that, and er but er the union well we were alright a chap named he was the secretary and er and jack he was the president and me dad were on the committee, there were several of on the committee. +he used to come and collect that, and er but er the union well we were alright a chap named he was the secretary and er and jack he was the president and me dad were on the committee, there were several of on the committee. and we did get on reasonably well with the management then,u until we used to run into trouble of course, and er the er nineteen twenty one strike, i can vividly remember that, it was a glorious summer, dead against us nobody wanted any coal and it you had the it gave th the management the opportunity of selling all this all the old stock all the rubbish and everything. -clean the there used to be huge stocks leading right up to mapperley pit, of this slag and stuff, and they sold all that off, and er that was the year that fought and al broke his thumb on him. +clean the there used to be huge stocks leading right up to mapperley pit, of this slag and stuff, and they sold all that off, and er that was the year that fought and al broke his thumb on him. and y that was the year i met d th i met the wife in that in june of that year. but er it was a tough struggle that was. we did get a bit of u of er union pay then i i couldn't tell you how much it was but it wasn't very much, but er and why did you go out on strike in the first place? -well you see i was nineteen and er really i don't really know why the nineteen twenty one strike was. -except that is was for money, i know it was for money but er i don't know the exact er because i think i think in that year, we got what we called the samuel award, that were three shillings a day, basic, you see? +well you see i was nineteen and er really i don't really know why the nineteen twenty one strike was. +except that is was for money, i know it was for money but er i don't know the exact er because i think i think in that year, we got what we called the samuel award, that were three shillings a day, basic, you see? if you only worked half a day you got the three shillings samuel pay you see? we got that. i were i were er we won that. @@ -52509,7 +52466,7 @@ do you remember the nineteen twenty six miners' strike ? oh yes. vividly. i vividly remember that. -there were no strike pay, you just had a promissory note that er if ever they got any money they'd pay you, you see? +there were no strike pay, you just had a promissory note that er if ever they got any money they'd pay you, you see? but er course we n n never got any money because we er m it more or less disbanded the notts miners' union that did, it er it took everything away was that was when we were er er s the spencer union was formed more or less by the management. and so you were telling me about the twenty six strike. well it wasn't a strike really, it was a lock out. @@ -52519,10 +52476,10 @@ and it was a great tragedy cos er it did i i it did cause the general strike and and do you remember how that affected nottingham? not really we it wasn't. we weren't really interested, particularly in nottingham, it was the general strike but what we were going to do i mean we'd o er we we'd er already formed, more or less, a government of our own, if you understand me, to take over, you see? -if the general strike had lasted, we could have took over, but er jimmy stepped in and er he was the er he was the er general secretary of the n u r, national union of railwaymen, and er he stepped in and persuaded the government to more or less step in and take over and arbitrate with the miners. +if the general strike had lasted, we could have took over, but er jimmy stepped in and er he was the er he was the er general secretary of the n u r, national union of railwaymen, and er he stepped in and persuaded the government to more or less step in and take over and arbitrate with the miners. well that was a foolish thing, really cos there were four hundred and forty coal owners in the government, and what they were going to arbitrate in our favour for we couldn't see. but er that is what actually happened and er jimmy thomas sold the pass, he was the biggest traitor we ever had. -well from there, that, was evolved the spencer union, the +well from there, that, was evolved the spencer union, the this er after the strike was defeated? at the strike we we didn't go back. we didn't accept the arbitration, you see? @@ -52565,13 +52522,13 @@ it used to shake the coal down the b banks. and they were diffic to start them off, we went in on the thursday, thursday morning, and we had to fit all these things together and make 'em work, you see? and it was sunday afternoon when i came out the pit the next time. they used to send us bread and teas down from chase farm. -and erm we eventually got these things working and er i got the contract along with jack to turn these pans over, you see? +and erm we eventually got these things working and er i got the contract along with jack to turn these pans over, you see? as they got one face off we'd turn them, over, the pans had to be turned over and backs built you see? and road ripped ready for the next day you see? and er i got the contract for that. and then when i was about twenty four, twenty four or five i'd got twenty men working for me, so er we weren't doing so bad. -and er then i had trouble with the er with the er afternoon gaffer, chap named . -and er we fell out over a fall really or whatever it was. +and er then i had trouble with the er with the er afternoon gaffer, chap named . +and er we fell out over a fall really or whatever it was. and er i was informed like that er i i had d stop till six o'clock at night, that night, and i was informed that er i'd got to come back at night and bring me men. so i decided that it was time to pack up i decided that the nights were made to sleep on n n n and i was going to sleep on them you see? so i came out the pit and went into cripps and bought a lorry. @@ -52590,12 +52547,12 @@ what sort of things were that ? well i if if there was er any new er wanted opening up, which was always a minimum wage job, you see? we had those sort of jobs to do. like when we opened opened a ninety z up and we couldn't open that face up, it was hell. -they you used to go and walk on the face in a morning an and you'd rap on the face with your pick and buggers are green,ther they're not ripe yet. +they you used to go and walk on the face in a morning an and you'd rap on the face with your pick and buggers are green,ther they're not ripe yet. you've got to earn your living out of that. but er we eventually beat it though and as i say a good colliery you could er you could beat 'em to it. matter of fact dad, he agreed with the management for er er er you see the management never wanted anybody on the minimum wage, never wanted to be on the min, so he agreed with 'em f for a special price for our coal we got out. and er within a few months we'd got the thing going till they were blowing out, and we were making it hand over fist you see? -and +and what sort of money were you making on that then? oh were making twenty five bob a day then. and this was after they tried to victimize you ? @@ -52604,23 +52561,23 @@ we booked ten pound a week. what we were getting then. and it were a lot of money, a a lot of money, and they pay a lot of benefits out of that now because the old man used to have it you see? and you have to pay them board. -they wouldn't let us pay our board you see, used to ha used to have twenty five bob spending money then. +they wouldn't let us pay our board you see, used to ha used to have twenty five bob spending money then. and w did they try to victimize you in any other way? well er n no, not necessarily, i mean that was the worst way they could have victimize you by er making things damn awkward. that was the top and bottom of it, but er the er, the worst jobs we used to have you know, was digging dead 'uns out and actually i remember seeing one chap, he got his leg in a coal cutter and got his his foot cut off. u and of course the there were things that er y you got used to, you see? and we just pulled his shove a bit of bind back of his leg, tied it up together, stopped the bleeding, shoved him out. -now i remember another chap , he got done with a pothole. +now i remember another chap , he got done with a pothole. that were of piece of bind that come out and it was shaped like a pear, 'bout a ton in weight, easy. and er that poor devil i i it hit him and i know wen we got him out, one eye was about an inch lower than the other. it'd split his skull. he died on the way down while we were carrying him to pit bottom. -where that was er but er i remember i er i broke a collar bone while we were down the pit, down there. +where that was er but er i remember i er i broke a collar bone while we were down the pit, down there. and er we were coming out of we were getting the tub out an and er me brother was at the front end of th it went off the rails and er as he pushed it back, i was at the back and it jammed me again the face, and broke this collar bone. about twelve o'clock. but you weren't allowed to come out the pit, i mean you had to wait until knocking off time you see, before you were come out, anything like that i mean er unless you've got broken legs or anything like that. -so i had to s stop in the gate and mark tubs for two . +so i had to s stop in the gate and mark tubs for two . and then i had about a a a two mile walk to pit bottom, you see. and this thing was just dragging me down you see? and then when you got home er had me dinner you see? @@ -52636,13 +52593,13 @@ and i saw him in a month, and he took the bandage off and me arm flopped of cour aye we'll see you in a fortnight and you'll be ready for work. i said, well what do i do with the arm, like? with this? -had well he said, just get on with it and keep pushing it up the wall, just keep pushing it up the wall, just come back. +had well he said, just get on with it and keep pushing it up the wall, just keep pushing it up the wall, just come back. that was the doctoring that we had for a broken collar bone you see? i mean nowadays you'd have a thomas splint on it you see? so i remember the the spanish flu, this was the kind of doctoring we get if you don't mind this little these little incidents? when the spanish flu was on they were dying like flies. -and they used to let us come out of the pit at three quarter time, there were six of us, all of a size, strong as young bulls and er we used to have to i if the body was within less than a mile from the church, you see? +and they used to let us come out of the pit at three quarter time, there were six of us, all of a size, strong as young bulls and er we used to have to i if the body was within less than a mile from the church, you see? you weren't allowed to have a hearse, you had to carry them to the church, and er er we used to b bury them by lamp light. we were allowed to come out a at er twelve o'clock you see? and we got payed seven and sixpence for each body we carried, you see? @@ -52659,8 +52616,8 @@ home-made reci oh erm my moth mother had it, she got but she got better with it. but er er er this this old doctor, i remember the wife, she had an ectopic that was er a er conception in the fallopian tube, you see? and er the chap that tended her was er a locum, he were only a young chap, and er he says, oh oh i'm sorry, he says, i'd better get me old man to come, he said i don't suppose i'll ever see another of these in my career. -he got the old man to come, old the same old bugger. -and er he went up and examined the wife and he come down stairs and he said to me are you the husband? +he got the old man to come, old the same old bugger. +and er he went up and examined the wife and he come down stairs and he said to me are you the husband? . that's how he used to talk. er yes that's me doctor. @@ -52674,12 +52631,12 @@ took her in the next day. and waited for her and brought her home again. and he removed it. mm. -so +so but that was the doctoring that we had in those days. with all this er trauma, did you have er wh what did you do with your leisure time, what did you do with your free time out side of the outside the pit? did you play football ? oh yes er oh yes er. -er er always played football or tennis and i i played all sports that i could get hold of. +er er always played football or tennis and i i played all sports that i could get hold of. cricket and er yes i er matter of fact i was selected to play for notts once, er er a one thursday afternoon. and er, when i went to me i found out it in the post it was in the post, that i was picked. so i went down to see the secretary who i found out was in the flying horse and er told him who i was, ooh yes, ooh yes, you're playing this afternoon, aren't you? @@ -52700,8 +52657,8 @@ it used to be a ha'penny on the front row, you see? and a penny for the back. and the first three rows used to be a ha'penny and the the others used to be a penny. see better, you was looking up it on the front rows you see. -but er yeah. -and i remember the first talkie i ever heard, i walked in the elite one night, with the wife and er as we walked in we hear a chap says i'm i am . +but er yeah. +and i remember the first talkie i ever heard, i walked in the elite one night, with the wife and er as we walked in we hear a chap says i'm i am . that were the first words i ever heard on and that week, al jolson was on the hippodrome with sonny boy. they were the first @@ -52718,14 +52675,14 @@ so they sent me to morbry's lane wharf, colliery wharf. and er it was the time as they were there were popularizing a a scheme from mine to your cellar, m i n e, mine to your cellar, you see? which meant that we had to cart this coal from the wharf, take it to the client and put it in his coal house, you see? otherwise he used to just shoot it up, you see? -but we had to go and take it into his culler i had one day at that , i thought i thought i'd had enough coal. +but we had to go and take it into his culler i had one day at that , i thought i thought i'd had enough coal. so i went and saw a building contractor, friend of me dads and er he welcomed me with open arms, he'd just got a contract for building council houses down dunson street at netherfield. and er i got going with that, carting bricks and timber and all that sort of thing for him, got really going and er fetching ballast from train concrete. and er within eighteen months i'd got three lorries running. how much were you earning? well the earnings of course went into the business we'd er there was dad, he'd retired then out of the pits, early. he'd retired at fifty five, to run this er small holding we'd got you see? -and help with the lorry business and er i used to get three pound a week out of it. +and help with the lorry business and er i used to get three pound a week out of it. and er camel lairds i er cleared a lot of stuff from camel lairds. terrific lot of stuff from there. paint, red paint that they used to paint railway wa er railway carriages. @@ -52741,7 +52698,7 @@ nineteen thirty seven. and i i built er a bungalow for the old folks, all all interior were fire bricks. the outside was of course was facing bricks but er how did you manage to do that then? -well i i was a collier. +well i i was a collier. you did anything when you was a collier, you see? and i'd been to as i tell you, i'd been to night school, joinery classes. i'd tiled it, the er oh it er yeah. @@ -52757,7 +52714,7 @@ a b and c licences and er it got so complicated that er i er eventually drafted in nineteen thirty two. may nineteen thirty two. and how did you come to get that job? -well my brothers was er he was er an agent for them and er i in the country area, burton joyce, lowdham and all round there. +well my brothers was er he was er an agent for them and er i in the country area, burton joyce, lowdham and all round there. and er and er he got to take his boss down to er burton joyce lowdham sorry, lowdham, one afternoon on a case,case. would i take him in the lorry?yes i can do that for you. so i took them in the lorry. @@ -52765,11 +52722,11 @@ and while i was waiting for them i i went into a little shop and for some cigare and more y o out of work than in them days. and we'd started him up with a little donkey engine and a saw bench, started him up making bundles of firewood up. and er so while i was in this shop i i sold this chap five hundred bundles of fire wood you see? -and i thought, right, i think i've just about got time to nip home and fetch that fire wood and pick them up when they you see? +and i thought, right, i think i've just about got time to nip home and fetch that fire wood and pick them up when they you see? mm. low and behold when i got back they were waiting for me you see? and i apologized for what i'd done, sold the firewood, took 'em home again. -and er about a month later, this chap sent for me. +and er about a month later, this chap sent for me. er he wanted to er see me, his brother had got promoted and was half of his book was come vacant, would i have half the book? he says er an er a while after he said to he he said, did you ever know how you got on here, at agency? no and i certainly would. @@ -52786,7 +52743,7 @@ a wife and a new baby, so er you had to work. in and other words i had to get on my bike. -i'm sorry mr but +i'm sorry mr but we well ah wha what sort of er things did you have to do then? @@ -52794,7 +52751,7 @@ well i used to cycle from gedling to apsley, me debit was at apsley and i used t use to have to get a new business canvassing. we used to get help from the co-ops because they used to give us lists of new members and we used to be able to canvass those. but er within two years i'd doubled me book and i was averaging over five pound a week, then. -what kind of hours did you work the +what kind of hours did you work the ooh aye well ha. you didn't consider that. you didn't consider that, you er i as i say you'd go out in the morning. @@ -52836,10 +52793,10 @@ they didn't believe in selling endowments, they only sold whole life you see? a lot of them did. anyway at one of the branch meed er e c exi er executive meetings. i i i er put forward the idea that twenty five percent was dying out,this. -can switched off a second? +can switched off a second? anyway you see the trouble was that the twenty five percent business was falling, falling fast. people were getting educated to endowment assurance you see. -so i i i start to put it across to the to the why not try and negotiated one commission, fifteen percent, you see? +so i i i start to put it across to the to the why not try and negotiated one commission, fifteen percent, you see? cut your ten percent out, cut your twenty five percent out and accept ten fifteen percent you see? we used to have three lots of entries in our collecting books you see? i said, it'll cut all that out, chief office'll welcome you because it'll save such a lot of but er the scottish boys, oh no, oh no he'd never accept that, you see? @@ -52847,20 +52804,20 @@ i said, well the men with the bigger books of twenty five percent, we could comp but er no they wouldn't wear it. consequently eventually the twenty five percent went all together. and they'd still got a majority of ten percent, you see the fifteen percent went as well, you see? -they accept the deal,? +they accept the deal,? now another thing er while on union business er i used to go up on negotiations, you see? and er i er i went up on negotiations, we used to get a small a small basic wage you see? -and erm i i w we went up on er to try and get the basic wage increased and er i know mr he was the er general manager at the time. +and erm i i w we went up on er to try and get the basic wage increased and er i know mr he was the er general manager at the time. i er i tried to tell him he he tried to point out to me, he says, that er the average earnings you see of district inspectors you see? was i think he said it were about twenty six pound a week for that time you see? -but you know mr i i don't believe in these average earnings, average business, oh yes there is correctness the accountants will vouch for it you see? +but you know mr i i don't believe in these average earnings, average business, oh yes there is correctness the accountants will vouch for it you see? yeah but i i'm not talking about th being correct i said. i said, you see the point is that the temperature the temperature at the north pole is a lot lower than it is in th on the equator i said. but you can't con you can't persuade those chaps at the north pole that they never get any frost you know, you see? course the average temperature is no degrees centigrade you see. so they don't get any frost on your argument. -i said the same i can't persuade our chaps on the yorkshire moors that they are getting twenty six pound a week, when they're not, you see? +i said the same i can't persuade our chaps on the yorkshire moors that they are getting twenty six pound a week, when they're not, you see? but according to you they are, you see? that's why i say let's have an increase in basic wage yeah. @@ -52871,8 +52828,7 @@ go for a basic. now erm let's come on to er the last war and er i'd like to know what what you did as part of your war effort. well i was in the insurance then, of course, you see? and er i was too o old for call-up at the beginning of the war, well we had a car so er we were asked, anyone that had a car to volunteer for er a r p services you see? -so erm the first week of the er of hostilities i i went and volunteered to for the a r p. - +so erm the first week of the er of hostilities i i went and volunteered to for the a r p. i'd had er er er strange life really yes. but very @@ -52883,7 +52839,7 @@ yes. and careers but you obviously had one i've had one all my life -all your life +all your life all my life, you see yes. that's what i find so interesting. @@ -52891,9 +52847,9 @@ yes, mostly of course, well mm. it's all office work yes. -and er you see and, and anyway i finished up my holiday and the sergeant said,he kept his promise and er sent me a report over the newspaper, you see, and er and of course and i liked the isle of man, you know, i went for trips around the island and various places and er, and i did see a manx cat +and er you see and, and anyway i finished up my holiday and the sergeant said,he kept his promise and er sent me a report over the newspaper, you see, and er and of course and i liked the isle of man, you know, i went for trips around the island and various places and er, and i did see a manx cat yes. -no tail oh dear oh dear but you see then of course and i was still not married but you see i, as i say, then i went to cambridge and that's when i met my husband and all his family were so kind to me, er he had erm two sisters living in a flat round the backs, you've heard of round the backs +no tail oh dear oh dear but you see then of course and i was still not married but you see i, as i say, then i went to cambridge and that's when i met my husband and all his family were so kind to me, er he had erm two sisters living in a flat round the backs, you've heard of round the backs mm. haven't you? the back of kings college @@ -52906,7 +52862,7 @@ with . but i don't want er many people to know no. about it, because you see i don't want anyone breaking my door down and bashing in, you don't know who's who these days, do you and er but you see they, that's how . -so that i married into what you call a railway family. +so that i married into what you call a railway family. you did, didn't you? i did, yes and er, and so, and er as i say er i've had a most wonderful life and i've been a widow now for ten years. @@ -52915,16 +52871,16 @@ well you've got so many friends and sisters, haven't you? well i've got so many happy memories, you see, well then of course when hugh and i married, you see, er we had a apartments down at oh, really? yes and we u -that was, that was divided into flats then was it then? -oh no, no, no, well there's an old lady lived there named mrs and her husband was a clergyman. +that was, that was divided into flats then was it then? +oh no, no, no, well there's an old lady lived there named mrs and her husband was a clergyman. they called him father . -at one time he, he lived at, they lived at but er er she was a widow and she was ninety but she was very good to us and, but we had er, we had apartments but there was a lock on both sides of the door, you know what i mean, we were quite self-contained and we had er er a narrow stairs and because of the war i couldn't, you couldn't er, i used to scrub the stairs down because you couldn't buy carpet in those days, you see because of the war and to the shortage of stuff and so i used to keep those stairs nice and, we had a, a, we went, as we went up these stairs erm it, i suppose originally, you see, it would have been back stairs for the servants, you see, in the hall and this old lady used to go in and if ever she had the doctor she used to ask me if i would go and sit with her and hold her hand while the doctor came, you see. -she had other daughters in the town but she always wanted me and if ever she wanted anything to do with her papers and books and financial things, she used to ask my husband to go in, you see the day after we got there she brought us a huge dish like that with mushrooms which er grew f er well there are houses built there now but er at that time they had a big meadow there sort of a copse er in it with a bunch of trees and you see and all these mushrooms grew, you see, and they were, you know, they're nice you see. +at one time he, he lived at, they lived at but er er she was a widow and she was ninety but she was very good to us and, but we had er, we had apartments but there was a lock on both sides of the door, you know what i mean, we were quite self-contained and we had er er a narrow stairs and because of the war i couldn't, you couldn't er, i used to scrub the stairs down because you couldn't buy carpet in those days, you see because of the war and to the shortage of stuff and so i used to keep those stairs nice and, we had a, a, we went, as we went up these stairs erm it, i suppose originally, you see, it would have been back stairs for the servants, you see, in the hall and this old lady used to go in and if ever she had the doctor she used to ask me if i would go and sit with her and hold her hand while the doctor came, you see. +she had other daughters in the town but she always wanted me and if ever she wanted anything to do with her papers and books and financial things, she used to ask my husband to go in, you see the day after we got there she brought us a huge dish like that with mushrooms which er grew f er well there are houses built there now but er at that time they had a big meadow there sort of a copse er in it with a bunch of trees and you see and all these mushrooms grew, you see, and they were, you know, they're nice you see. we paid rent to be there and er and of course either hugh or me or both of us came up to see my mother every day, you see, unless we knew she was going to have a visitor and then we used to take a day off mm. and we'd go off to felixstowe or somewhere but you see we still went away because he had four first class passes a year mm. -being on the railway and er, you see, er and of course i went then under his pass i suppose mr and mrs then and er and then of course we started to er when my parents first died we, we started to get around. +being on the railway and er, you see, er and of course i went then under his pass i suppose mr and mrs then and er and then of course we started to er when my parents first died we, we started to get around. yes. you see, and so we went to oh inverness, aberdeen and across to the isle of skye, and down the skye and back across the water to mallaig you see and er then we stayed one time at fort william and because i love scotland, so did he and erm and, and then and all r and then, and another thing, erm, this is before i married erm i went down, oh no, both of us, that's right, we went down to stay at erm not, not portsmouth er southsea er there, there's a place near there, next door eastbourne? @@ -52934,7 +52890,7 @@ southsea don't know. nex anyway it's quite near portsmouth and we heard that the first queen elizabeth ship, they don't say it's the first but they call this one the q e two but there was a q e one, you see at one time and so we took a coach from there to southampton because we heard that she was in dock there and so we went and there were crowds of people and all in a queue waiting to go in. well we took our turn and we waited to go in but once we got in we broke away from the crowd and when they all came out and went to lunch in the town we didn't. -we stayed on board and we went up on to every deck and there was even a gentleman, he showed us up on the bridge on that er on that and, and of course there was the little shop and i bought i thought i must buy something on the queen elizabeth and i bought a pen. +we stayed on board and we went up on to every deck and there was even a gentleman, he showed us up on the bridge on that er on that and, and of course there was the little shop and i bought i thought i must buy something on the queen elizabeth and i bought a pen. one of these er, i suppose it'd be a ballpoint or whatever you call it and this, i've still got it, it says on the queen elizabeth, see, and er, you see, we said, we said, well never mind very much, we can have something a snack afterwards and so we stayed on there from eleven o'clock in the morning until three in the afternoon, you see, and er er and we were wandering around and we saw the dining room, we saw the captain's table and er, you know it was, and, and then we looked along one deck, we were high up, and down below there were rows of, rows of lifeboats in case you see there was an accident. of an accident @@ -52953,7 +52909,7 @@ oh yes you know where that is yes i do. yes -that's right and we've kept in touch all those years +that's right and we've kept in touch all those years that is nice isn't it? well its wonderful really you see yes yes. @@ -52965,7 +52921,7 @@ and she's got arthritis, well in her knees, same as i have but not quite so bad you have haven't you? you know you say you lived in at ipswich station? yes. -erm, didn't, at needham market didn't people live in there or main entrance? +erm, didn't, at needham market didn't people live in there or main entrance? where? at needham market station. oh, well,n i don't know what it's like now but because the booking office is closed. @@ -52975,62 +52931,62 @@ you go up the steps, in the main door mm. and the booking office was on the left mm. -and the stationmaster's office faced the platform but there is another door that to get into as soon as you got in the main door to the left, you see and with a flap and that's the door that we used to take in the parcels, you see and very often we used to go in that door or sometimes we would go through o on to the platform and go in the stationmaster's door, you see and then there again, if i took messages to the stationmaster on the single telegraph er i had to go down the steps because th more often than not that they were in the basement. +and the stationmaster's office faced the platform but there is another door that to get into as soon as you got in the main door to the left, you see and with a flap and that's the door that we used to take in the parcels, you see and very often we used to go in that door or sometimes we would go through o on to the platform and go in the stationmaster's door, you see and then there again, if i took messages to the stationmaster on the single telegraph er i had to go down the steps because th more often than not that they were in the basement. it was, there's the basement and then a large room above where they used to have meetings er, you see, and er, and er, well they did they had friends from stowmarket go and visit them, you see. didn't the stationmaster and the clerk live on the premises? -er, oh yes, they lived in the station next you see. +er, oh yes, they lived in the station next you see. that's the bit that joins on one side of the main entrance area? -yes +yes they've got there are two little doors aren't there, which are probably their front doors? -well,th yes, well that's it, they are going facing the station and it used to be so much prettier than it is now. +well,th yes, well that's it, they are going facing the station and it used to be so much prettier than it is now. mm. -pretty the daisies and things and the stationmaster lived that side +pretty the daisies and things and the stationmaster lived that side which side, what on the left hand side as you face -as you face the station, he lived that side you see and er there, the room where they used to entertain their friends was just the other side of the wall the booking office, you see, and er he was such a kind man, his name was mr +as you face the station, he lived that side you see and er there, the room where they used to entertain their friends was just the other side of the wall the booking office, you see, and er he was such a kind man, his name was mr mm. and his, his er son was one of the lads who worked in the office doing the middle turn, you see, and er i don't know if he's still alive. he must be eighty, because i mean there wasn't all that much difference in our ages. you don't know where he went to when he left? -well i, he lived at stowmarket for years but then i heard not so long ago that they had moved to ipswich but where i don't know but they must be, whether he's than i have now i don't know either. +well i, he lived at stowmarket for years but then i heard not so long ago that they had moved to ipswich but where i don't know but they must be, whether he's than i have now i don't know either. on the other side was th the chief clerk would live? no, he, no i think it was er, i can't remember who lived there. i think it was one of the signalmen or aha i can't remember exactly who lived on the right hand side, i've forgotten but th i know the chief clerk lived just a little way down , you see, er in one of those little red brick cottages? -yes, that's right down there, down there, down and as i say who i took early and late turns with and er why i same as at cambridge. +yes, that's right down there, down there, down and as i say who i took early and late turns with and er why i same as at cambridge. there were twenty five staff. was this at needham? ca no, not needham. oh -no i had nothing to do with the staff at the +no i had nothing to do with the staff at the no, no that was at ipswich he, he were a stationmaster, you see, er he was exceptionally nice man. you never heard him say a bad word or anything like that . -well he was quite, he was a good man. +well he was quite, he was a good man. he used to . oh i cried when i left there, i really did, it upset me. yes. -but and when we all quite shock +but and when we all quite shock how many were working there, how many girls were working there then at needham? only me. -so you, yes. +so you, yes. only me in the office. yes. you see, and er the porters did the er er cleaned the waiting room and dusted, you see. -well, there was a porter there, called len and he, he was eighteen and er of course you know well i i was as i said sixteen, so he was a bit older than me but he, whilst he was at needham he said well when i'm eighteen i'll get my calling up papers. -cos that's during the first world war, you see, and erm, he did and so he said goodbye to us all and he said i'm going up now to say goodbye to your mother and he ran up the street here to say goodbye to my mother. +well, there was a porter there, called len and he, he was eighteen and er of course you know well i i was as i said sixteen, so he was a bit older than me but he, whilst he was at needham he said well when i'm eighteen i'll get my calling up papers. +cos that's during the first world war, you see, and erm, he did and so he said goodbye to us all and he said i'm going up now to say goodbye to your mother and he ran up the street here to say goodbye to my mother. she made some tea, she told me afterwards and stayed and stayed and stayed and he lived at prindon and his mother was very very deaf and my mother got worried because he was going away the next day and she said to him, len don't you think you ought to spend the evening with your mother and he said, yes, i'll go now and he ran off and he ran back again and he said, you don't mind if i write to ivy do you? -she said, no you write and he'll, she'll write back, you see but, and he went out to france and he was killed in three months and and his name, so they told me was on the er,on the board at er . +she said, no you write and he'll, she'll write back, you see but, and he went out to france and he was killed in three months and and his name, so they told me was on the er,on the board at er . do you know i often wonder what happened to the honour board at needham market. -there used to be an honour board and i was on it and so was miss 's brother, er ivor because er who whoever won the scholarship, you see, their name went on the honour +there used to be an honour board and i was on it and so was miss 's brother, er ivor because er who whoever won the scholarship, you see, their name went on the honour oh, i see. board, over the door in the church? no, no, in the school, er in the er, no it wouldn't be in the church, no in the school, oh and of course i'm talking now about the old school -mm +mm because i don't know anything about these new schools. no. no i don't know what's happened to that. @@ -53038,7 +52994,7 @@ no, i, i wondered because er it was quite an honour to have your name yes. put on the honour board. yes. -you see, and my name was on there, as i say and miss was the top . +you see, and my name was on there, as i say and miss was the top . no i don't know whether hers was on, but i know her brother's was, you see, i, he died of course. yes. so how many worked there, there was a lot of people worked at needham station then. @@ -53050,12 +53006,12 @@ and two clerks and two t these two lads er so there'd be two clerks and two lads? no, one clerk -one, one +one, one chief clerk -chief clerk two lads +chief clerk two lads and i took early and late turns with him yes -but the other one went on the district +but the other one went on the district oh, i see, yes. as i said before as a relief clerk yes. @@ -53069,11 +53025,11 @@ so that's how many and then the stationmaster of course the signalman. how many signalmen, just the one? -well no cos he had actually +well no cos he had actually so there'd be two signalmen, would there? yes. that's nine people worked at needham station. -yes, i, i +yes, i, i no one works there now you see. they don't work there? no, no, the signal box is closed. @@ -53092,20 +53048,20 @@ yes. you see, and of course when i was at cambridge, you see, and that was during the second world war, well of course, you see, i remember seeing a plane because of course the station was a prime target yes, yes. and somehow i don't know how, but somehow they always knew when the train was being loaded up with tanks and then that was the night we would get a raid and of course, you see, they all ra tried for the station. -well, you know,it you see, time were, i don't know i suppose, i don't know but i never seemed to be afraid and i used to have my or something round my waist, a belt with the keys hanging on and they supplied me with a as well, one of these, i don't know what they're made of they weren't all that heavy but still they were heavy enough to keep on. -i mean they weren't aluminium so they blew off i used to wear one of those and er, you know, for safety, you see, but er anyway i survived the survived the war and but wh it's amazing really when i look back how we d how we managed because we had such nice people in there, as i say and like these actors jack claude cecily . -they all came down and used to come in our rooms and all sorts of other and i met some very ni and of course, all nationalities, you see and no matter what they were, well of course cambridge has always been noted for different nationalities, hasn't it? +well, you know,it you see, time were, i don't know i suppose, i don't know but i never seemed to be afraid and i used to have my or something round my waist, a belt with the keys hanging on and they supplied me with a as well, one of these, i don't know what they're made of they weren't all that heavy but still they were heavy enough to keep on. +i mean they weren't aluminium so they blew off i used to wear one of those and er, you know, for safety, you see, but er anyway i survived the survived the war and but wh it's amazing really when i look back how we d how we managed because we had such nice people in there, as i say and like these actors jack claude cecily . +they all came down and used to come in our rooms and all sorts of other and i met some very ni and of course, all nationalities, you see and no matter what they were, well of course cambridge has always been noted for different nationalities, hasn't it? mm. -and of course i loved the town and although the station was about a mile from the town centre, people used to come from the town centre in their cars, they had lunch at our place er er at cambridge, you see, and there, there were two waiters and one, one of them took part-time cellar work, you see, and er, they were two brothers and er their name's -the younger one they call tiny because he was the yo smaller than his brother but the other one you see and we did enormous business, especially during the war. +and of course i loved the town and although the station was about a mile from the town centre, people used to come from the town centre in their cars, they had lunch at our place er er at cambridge, you see, and there, there were two waiters and one, one of them took part-time cellar work, you see, and er, they were two brothers and er their name's +the younger one they call tiny because he was the yo smaller than his brother but the other one you see and we did enormous business, especially during the war. mm but er yes -you see and i'm glad i didn't miss it, i'm glad i went through all what i did and, and this particular raid, you see, the siren went and they said a telegraph office read, you see,an and then i thought i'll go to the back door and i went to the, well it was actually on the front of the station and i went to the front of the station and there was this plane swooping down like that and of course, you see, the bombs didn't fall down straight like that but they went as the plane went and they knocked down a row of houses at the end of the road. -yes a row of houses and of course when i saw i looked out the door and there was this plane swooping down like that and it seemed so low because they were aiming an and the bomb fell in the cattle market and, and i threw myself on to the stone floor, you see, and er and presently one of the ambulance men came round to my office door and he said, are you alright? +you see and i'm glad i didn't miss it, i'm glad i went through all what i did and, and this particular raid, you see, the siren went and they said a telegraph office read, you see,an and then i thought i'll go to the back door and i went to the, well it was actually on the front of the station and i went to the front of the station and there was this plane swooping down like that and of course, you see, the bombs didn't fall down straight like that but they went as the plane went and they knocked down a row of houses at the end of the road. +yes a row of houses and of course when i saw i looked out the door and there was this plane swooping down like that and it seemed so low because they were aiming an and the bomb fell in the cattle market and, and i threw myself on to the stone floor, you see, and er and presently one of the ambulance men came round to my office door and he said, are you alright? i said, yes thanks. i sat by the fire knitting and er he said,i can see . -well you took all this sort of things in your stride but the next day we heard about these houses being knocked down, you see, and i think that's the nearest i've been to be killed but one day, one saturday and that was in a daylight raid, one saturday afternoon because, you see, i was off every afternoon but i worked till ten every night, you see, and er so erm but of course hugh worked during the day and he was off in the evening, that's why he used to come down to see, to see us and er he used to come in er you see and leave his lodgings and, oh be about nine o'clock and he spent the last day up there perhaps with his friends, have a chat, and er, you see, and but er and i was walking along it was called and suddenly a plane came over and i thought oh i expect it's one of ours. +well you took all this sort of things in your stride but the next day we heard about these houses being knocked down, you see, and i think that's the nearest i've been to be killed but one day, one saturday and that was in a daylight raid, one saturday afternoon because, you see, i was off every afternoon but i worked till ten every night, you see, and er so erm but of course hugh worked during the day and he was off in the evening, that's why he used to come down to see, to see us and er he used to come in er you see and leave his lodgings and, oh be about nine o'clock and he spent the last day up there perhaps with his friends, have a chat, and er, you see, and but er and i was walking along it was called and suddenly a plane came over and i thought oh i expect it's one of ours. when all of a sudden they dropped a bomb and i thought there wasn't at all, you see, and no siren had gone, nothing, you see, and there was broad daylight. mm. you see, of course we heard about it afterwards, you see, @@ -53117,21 +53073,21 @@ well no, er we, no we didn't, the only cattle we saw was when they were on the t i don't know whether they dealt with cattle. aha it was mostly seeds and stuff like that. -yes but you know russell . +yes but you know russell . i know he, he's older than me. -yeah, yeah, well he's i interviewed him er last year and he was telling me that he remembers going up into the loft in 's erm, the whole of the station yard was full of cattle. +yeah, yeah, well he's i interviewed him er last year and he was telling me that he remembers going up into the loft in 's erm, the whole of the station yard was full of cattle. oh. -so loaded off of the train. -oh, oh i didn't know that, i, i perhaps that was, perhaps that was -i think they were all going to market because obviously had a farm. +so loaded off of the train. +oh, oh i didn't know that, i, i perhaps that was, perhaps that was +i think they were all going to market because obviously had a farm. oh yes they did. so it's possibly one market day i think he said. yes, well that might be the time, you see when perhaps i was at cambridge. yes. it might have been later than, than er when you worked there. yeah y -he was saying people going on the trains is it when you worked there rather than animals -oh i no animals +he was saying people going on the trains is it when you worked there rather than animals +oh i no animals no you see, no animals were er, only in the, in the trucks, you see. mm. @@ -53139,12 +53095,12 @@ passed through, because they didn't stop at needham and er but i always thought, no, no. you see, they were just more or less sort of, i thought they were just sea merchants. mm. -yes that's probably to do with farm. +yes that's probably to do with farm. er, yes no, not the mill really. aha, yes. i imagine. -i, i don't remember any cattle +i, i don't remember any cattle no it may have been later yes. or being older he may have remembered times before that. @@ -53165,13 +53121,13 @@ mm. but when i can't walk well i shall call in the doctor. cos i n i don't have a doctor year in hardly ever. i'm thankful for my good health, you see, because apart from arthritis, you see, i'm as well as anything and i hope i'm still in my right mind, you see, but i, now and again, i forget names -mm, but then i forget names, my husband is dreadful with names +mm, but then i forget names, my husband is dreadful with names well er -he would even sometimes recognize +he would even sometimes recognize yes. with people he knows quite well. oh i see. -i think it's just some people are a bit like that and some are +i think it's just some people are a bit like that and some are i i forget people, i forget but then, you see, as i never go out. well i went out once last year, you see, and i was lucky enough but and for years and years and years i took fynnon salts and which is supposed to be good for rheumatism. matter of fact this last couple of days i've started again but you see er of course that was before paracetamol came on, on the scene @@ -53179,7 +53135,7 @@ mm. and i have tablets from the doctor and you see as i say from the waist upwards i'm yes. i feel well and th and i try er and my husband's nieces they often ring me up er well i was on the phone to one of them when you came yesterday. -er and she said i'll ring you ag i said oh dear someone now coming to the door, she said, never mind i'll ring you on saturday, so i said alright and er and she lives at wyndham, norfolk, my husband's niece and erm, you see, and then there's the other one and she said, auntie you're always so cheerful , i said, well i try to be cheerful because like everybody else i get a little depressed sometimes because, you see, i have no sisters and brothers, i have three elderly cousins who live away and who i, who i see, one was here a fortnight ago er er er my cousin and his wife er, you see, it will be on a wednesday, a fortnight today, no thursday, yes, you see, a fortnight ago and they said, we'll come again an we've always bought you a bunch of daffodils so we shall come again when the daffodils are and er and they bring me over bits and pieces because er she was a cook and they bring me something nice to eat +er and she said i'll ring you ag i said oh dear someone now coming to the door, she said, never mind i'll ring you on saturday, so i said alright and er and she lives at wyndham, norfolk, my husband's niece and erm, you see, and then there's the other one and she said, auntie you're always so cheerful , i said, well i try to be cheerful because like everybody else i get a little depressed sometimes because, you see, i have no sisters and brothers, i have three elderly cousins who live away and who i, who i see, one was here a fortnight ago er er er my cousin and his wife er, you see, it will be on a wednesday, a fortnight today, no thursday, yes, you see, a fortnight ago and they said, we'll come again an we've always bought you a bunch of daffodils so we shall come again when the daffodils are and er and they bring me over bits and pieces because er she was a cook and they bring me something nice to eat that's nice, isn't it? isn't it nice but i haven't any er close relatives @@ -53189,7 +53145,7 @@ you see, you haven't got any family? no, not yet. i'm married but i haven't got any family yet oh, that's what i mean er and you'll have to make haste won't you? -oh i don't know, i don't know whether it'll be like mark and jenny and perhaps never get round to it . +oh i don't know, i don't know whether it'll be like mark and jenny and perhaps never get round to it . no, i know, well i mean what is there for young people to look forward to these days and i feel really sorry for them and i mean all i hope is that jenny will get a job oh yes. when she's finished @@ -53198,7 +53154,7 @@ er but i don't know whether there's any prospect, do you think she don't know, don't know. when y you know you said your father was a shoemaker? yes. -whereabouts in needham did he have his shoe +whereabouts in needham did he have his shoe well it's where the bomb, where it was bombed out aha out yeah quite near the united reform church. @@ -53209,7 +53165,7 @@ what was your maiden name again? and he worked for mr ? i didn't no, did your father work for mr ? -yes that was his name, you see well, well my father, as i say, he had a stroke and er he was in, in bed in the front room for seven years, you see. +yes that was his name, you see well, well my father, as i say, he had a stroke and er he was in, in bed in the front room for seven years, you see. he er, hugh and i used to come up every day do what we could, you see, in those days if you had a stroke you had to lay there till you died. mm. er but nowadays i suppose they take you up to ipswich and you'd have er @@ -53217,8 +53173,8 @@ physiotherapy or something like that that's right to make you, to get you going again. yes, that's right -yeah they do so much more nowadays. -well that's it, but they didn't then, you see and er and doctor used to come up here +yeah they do so much more nowadays. +well that's it, but they didn't then, you see and er and doctor used to come up here oh yes i've interviewed his widow. mrs er mrs er she is @@ -53238,22 +53194,22 @@ it's more or less opposite where your father's shoe shop was. oh, is it? oh you mean the big red brick one next door to the doctor's surgery? -er i er, yes the doctor just there. -yeah that's it i how -mrs 's father-in-law. +er i er, yes the doctor just there. +yeah that's it i how +mrs 's father-in-law. i am going back to old dr oh, old dr , oh yes. -you see, and he was, he, he probably brought me into the world, you see but, er you see, and mrs erm, you see, she was married to doctor and he used to come up to see my father and we had a different door then door being that's got a yale lock on now but he he'd say, hello frank, you know always so you got, oh he was so nice and it was such a shame that he died +you see, and he was, he, he probably brought me into the world, you see but, er you see, and mrs erm, you see, she was married to doctor and he used to come up to see my father and we had a different door then door being that's got a yale lock on now but he he'd say, hello frank, you know always so you got, oh he was so nice and it was such a shame that he died he was very young when he died. he, he was and i forget how old he was i think he was only in his forties. was that so, oh yes dear he was so nice -yeah, everyone said how nice he was and old dr was quite a character -yes he was, you see and he used to come down, you know, and everybody's family waiting to go into that tiny tiny little surgery but i don't know if it's the same now and the door half open in er well, anyway,still er he, he, he, he used to put something in a bottle and fill it up with water some liquid +yeah, everyone said how nice he was and old dr was quite a character +yes he was, you see and he used to come down, you know, and everybody's family waiting to go into that tiny tiny little surgery but i don't know if it's the same now and the door half open in er well, anyway,still er he, he, he, he used to put something in a bottle and fill it up with water some liquid mm. -you see i'm talking about his father but i liked er mrs 's first husband, you see and er i hear that her second husband isn't all that good. +you see i'm talking about his father but i liked er mrs 's first husband, you see and er i hear that her second husband isn't all that good. no, no he wasn't well, i went to see her er i think he may have had a stroke and he can't get about very well at all oh dear and i think he finds it difficult to speak @@ -53263,26 +53219,26 @@ an and is he, is he at home? last ti when i saw her he was, yes oh he was but -because he's had a spell or two at stowmarket +because he's had a spell or two at stowmarket yes -he had er new place there er er what's his name they've got a, they opened a new nursing home didn't they? +he had er new place there er er what's his name they've got a, they opened a new nursing home didn't they? oh, did they? -er works for er there's only, oh i can't remember his christian name, david, david and his wife, you see, and i think he, david still works and of course +er works for er there's only, oh i can't remember his christian name, david, david and his wife, you see, and i think he, david still works and of course he lives along the road from me. oh you know mr yes, yes and, and erm so on. -mrs was very kind, she sent me a box of mince pies and barley water and shortbread all sorts, you know. +mrs was very kind, she sent me a box of mince pies and barley water and shortbread all sorts, you know. christmas time and she did last year mm -er and of course i've known walter for years but i don't know his wife, i've never met his wife and of course not being able to get out into the street now, i should get out for about two years after i lost my husband and then i got this er awful pain nobody knows unless they have it er this arthritis in my knees, you see, and erm and then i found that it was too much for me to er otherwise i used to walk up to the post box road and i used to count the steps, three hundred and something steps there and three hundred and something back, you see, and to the front door, you see, but i, i can't do it now but i have with help and i went out last year with er mrs and er twice we went to dulwich which i enjoyed and so did she and the last time we went to and er we had our lunch and we went to see my cousins at west suffolk and and, and then came home again, you see, and that's the only time i went out last year and usually i used to go to for a day and i am hoping that if i, i am hoping, well you can only hope, that i might perhaps go so out one sunday, once, just once in the , you see, because er,th that's when when you're old you've got to keep, you've got to hope for something +er and of course i've known walter for years but i don't know his wife, i've never met his wife and of course not being able to get out into the street now, i should get out for about two years after i lost my husband and then i got this er awful pain nobody knows unless they have it er this arthritis in my knees, you see, and erm and then i found that it was too much for me to er otherwise i used to walk up to the post box road and i used to count the steps, three hundred and something steps there and three hundred and something back, you see, and to the front door, you see, but i, i can't do it now but i have with help and i went out last year with er mrs and er twice we went to dulwich which i enjoyed and so did she and the last time we went to and er we had our lunch and we went to see my cousins at west suffolk and and, and then came home again, you see, and that's the only time i went out last year and usually i used to go to for a day and i am hoping that if i, i am hoping, well you can only hope, that i might perhaps go so out one sunday, once, just once in the , you see, because er,th that's when when you're old you've got to keep, you've got to hope for something mm. yes. and you've got to keep busy and you see now my sight has gone i now, not long distance, i can sit here and see television mm. -you see i moved a bit more now but and i i've still got good hearing er apart from this ear here, this ear, i can't hear so well, quite so well, this side, you see so i always have to say excuse me while i, hang on while i turn off the television, you see, and then they have to wait a minute till i turn it off and then what i do is because i have this phone extension put in +you see i moved a bit more now but and i i've still got good hearing er apart from this ear here, this ear, i can't hear so well, quite so well, this side, you see so i always have to say excuse me while i, hang on while i turn off the television, you see, and then they have to wait a minute till i turn it off and then what i do is because i have this phone extension put in yes. -you see i've got one in the front room and i had this one put in so then i say if i am in the kitchen, i say, i lift up the receiver, hello, and hear who it is and then i, i say hang on while i get round the chair and then you see i sit on the arm of this chair and talk because er it's difficult to stand too long +you see i've got one in the front room and i had this one put in so then i say if i am in the kitchen, i say, i lift up the receiver, hello, and hear who it is and then i, i say hang on while i get round the chair and then you see i sit on the arm of this chair and talk because er it's difficult to stand too long mm. you see, but er, otherwise, you see, er you know i, i get on well really by @@ -53291,53 +53247,52 @@ and i, i have a meal on the friday and er brought to me mm. and, and they're such nice people mm. -do you know mrs and mr +do you know mrs and mr oh yes, they live up in creeting yes. and, and mrs ? yes, yes. now er her husband came down one day and i said to him, what's your name, and he said mr - on this friday afternoon and you'll hear the latest video news. -with where even the best films are just one pound for two nights. -is the dealership with a difference. +with where even the best films are just one pound for two nights. +is the dealership with a difference. always puts the customer first. . -what makes so special? +what makes so special? you do. rain, some showers by midday. the afternoon will then have some good sunny spells. dry tonight, and cold. temperature high today of just, come on get up, sixty three degrees fahrenheit. sunny at first tomorrow but then the forecast for the rest of tuesday, more showers expected. -trent f m summer weather, with of trent bridge, where rain or shine you'll always buy beautiful kitchens and conservatories. -shop boys la ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta. +trent f m summer weather, with of trent bridge, where rain or shine you'll always buy beautiful kitchens and conservatories. +shop boys la ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta. here on trent. bring you their great summer savers. get a quotation during july and save up to forty percent. -just dial one hundred and ask for freephone windows. +just dial one hundred and ask for freephone windows. or call nottingham or derby . -that's for a free quotation. +that's for a free quotation. there's only one car in front. . see a world beating range from the m r two sports to rugged commercials. from the british built carina e to the corolla, the world's most popular car. and the dealer? -with first class service, excellent customer care, and over one hundred and twenty new and used vehicles to choose from, there is only one dealer in front, keep in front, order your new l registration now at . +with first class service, excellent customer care, and over one hundred and twenty new and used vehicles to choose from, there is only one dealer in front, keep in front, order your new l registration now at . call nottingham . they had everything. an irresistible softness with an inner strength that made them million sellers. they seemed in total harmony, but then one of them wanted to be free. -yes one roll is now free, with the four roll pack of recycled toilet tissue. +yes one roll is now free, with the four roll pack of recycled toilet tissue. one of life's little comforts. this is it, the main event at . throughout july everything is reduced right across the board. three piece suites, dining suites, beds and bedroom furniture, coffee tables, t v cabinets. -there's bargains for everyone and the prices are absolutely knockout. +there's bargains for everyone and the prices are absolutely knockout. don't miss the main event at , throughout july at ,,, or . , the main event is on. wibble. work aren't they. -ha ho ha ho take a whole record to pump the tyres up. -fleetwood mac and big love. +ha ho ha ho take a whole record to pump the tyres up. +fleetwood mac and big love. as we say good morning to lisa. good morning rob. well one subject that i think a lot of us shy away from, is mental illness. @@ -53351,7 +53306,7 @@ they're also there to help anyone who's had experience of mental illness, or who just call us for more details about the group, and their next meeting, which is on july the sixteenth. and finally , a local furniture project, are opening a new twelve bed hostel for young people who are homeless. it's seen a the first stage towards living more independently for many young people, and they're offering quick access to a bed for the night. -now need you help, because they hope to offer a lot more than just a roof over the heads. +now need you help, because they hope to offer a lot more than just a roof over the heads. they need donations of books and magazines, board games, a t v, bedding and sewing machines. almost anything in fact they'd be able to use to help these young people. please call us if you can donate any of these items, at the trent f m care-line, on . @@ -53367,7 +53322,7 @@ i myself know only too well what it's like to have a car stolen, so as a car is even if you think you're only h leaving it for only a minute. a minute is long enough for a thief. we have a leaflet available with a useful checklist for you to keep. -if you'd like a copy just phone us at the careline and the number to call is +if you'd like a copy just phone us at the careline and the number to call is kept the er the press fairly busy in the last week. cropping up now and again in the nationals from nottingham, has been the story of the mongrel merv, named after merv hughes the australian cricketer, who tried to grab hold of er merv on the first day of the test about a week or so ago. when he managed to er get in er through the gates or wherever under the fence to the trent bridge cricket ground. @@ -53375,7 +53330,7 @@ the end of the story though yesterday, as er unfortunately merv's owner somewher maybe too embarrassed. maybe just wanted to be rid of the dog. er which is the case unfortunately in er some instances with animals, but it's been as you know perhaps at the r s p c a shelter just down the road there at er , but it's gone now to a happy home in derbyshire. -and a photo in the press today of sisters, charlotte, five and amy, three. +and a photo in the press today of sisters, charlotte, five and amy, three. and merv will join them and their family in derbyshire with a two year old lookalike, a mongrel named floss. the end of the story of merv. coming up next hour. @@ -53385,15 +53340,15 @@ jenny who's on the afternoon show all this week, for andy who's on the morning s anyway the series is called, a day in the life of your council. yes nottinghamshire county council, kicking the series off in about twenty minutes from now we're chatting with mick , who is the boss, the chief executive of the county council. it's eleven o'clock, i'm phil . -detectives are stepping up their hunt for a rapist who attacked a woman at nottingham's music festival at the weekend. -the victim, who's in her twenties, was grabbed as she walked through woodland a few hundred yards from the crowds in park. +detectives are stepping up their hunt for a rapist who attacked a woman at nottingham's music festival at the weekend. +the victim, who's in her twenties, was grabbed as she walked through woodland a few hundred yards from the crowds in park. security forces in northern ireland are on full alert ahead of loyalist celebrations of the twelfth of july. there have been nine arrests overnight in clashes with police. up to a hundred thousand orangemen are due to march through belfast to mark the battle of the boyne. diplomats in turkey say they're confident, a british engineer and his australian cousin kidnapped by kurdish rebels, will be released unharmed. -david from and tanya who holds both british and australian passports, disappeared a week ago. +david from and tanya who holds both british and australian passports, disappeared a week ago. the rebels claim they strayed into kurdish territory without permission. -perry from the australian embassy in ankara says, in the past negotiations with the kurds have proved successful. +perry from the australian embassy in ankara says, in the past negotiations with the kurds have proved successful. after a period of time, the the people who have been abducted have in fact been released unharmed. we would hope that this will happen er today or as quickly as possible. erm and that when that occurs of course we will er we will provide any necessary consular assistance to the couple concerned. @@ -53403,16 +53358,16 @@ a statement released this morning confirmed there had been contact but details a it could be a significant move towards re-engaging the peace process. u n helicopters have blasted targets in mogadishou to try to flush out gunmen loyal to somali warlord general adid. american cobra and black hawf h borg black hawd crafts fired missiles and cannons at sniper posts close to where three italians were killed in an ambush ten days ago. -reporter rob says there are many casualties on the ground. +reporter rob says there are many casualties on the ground. witnesses er who've who've been on to us have described seeing five people dead, and at least three wounded who were being rushed to hospital. those were the somalis, let me make that clear. -there's no presence of any ground troops in the region whatsoever. -i can tell you that that this area is not far from the area that was hit last month, also in helicopter raids, by forces. +there's no presence of any ground troops in the region whatsoever. +i can tell you that that this area is not far from the area that was hit last month, also in helicopter raids, by forces. here detectives in mansfield are hunting a man who attacked a fifteen year old girl near a hospital. -it happened yesterday afternoon as the teenager was walking along a footpath through hospital in the town. -m p, douglas says, immediate action must be taken to boost staffing levels at the hospital where killer nurse beverley allitt worked. -only two consultants are working on ward four at hospital a year after a health authority report called for increased supervision. -the transfer tribunal that'll decide the fee for nigel 's transfer from nottingham forest to liverpool, has been set for july the twentieth in walsall. +it happened yesterday afternoon as the teenager was walking along a footpath through hospital in the town. +m p, douglas says, immediate action must be taken to boost staffing levels at the hospital where killer nurse beverley allitt worked. +only two consultants are working on ward four at hospital a year after a health authority report called for increased supervision. +the transfer tribunal that'll decide the fee for nigel 's transfer from nottingham forest to liverpool, has been set for july the twentieth in walsall. the weather, cloud will build during the morning with a chance of an odd shower by midday. the afternoon will then have some good sunny spells, although a few showers are also possible. today's top temperature seventeen celsius, sixty three fahrenheit. @@ -53421,10 +53376,10 @@ can i just borrow you for a few moments? i wonder if anybody could help me? cos i've got something stuck in me loft, and i don't fancy going to find out what it is. about a week or so ago, when i was away from the morning show for a week doing a bit of gardening, decorating, and all those things that we all love to take time off. -i mean we we spend all our life at work, then go home and we do more work. +i mean we we spend all our life at work, then go home and we do more work. but i had to go in the loft. but i hate doing i hate creepy crawlies, i hate spiders and i hate going in the loft. -but i had to pop up there and move back all the bits and bobs and the debris and everything. +but i had to pop up there and move back all the bits and bobs and the debris and everything. and i shone my torch and i was mortified. because on the joist up right at the top near the side of the house, the brickwork, there's erm i don't well i can't describe them but cocoons or something like that. one is about the size of or the half size of a football. @@ -53433,24 +53388,24 @@ and they're just hanging there waiting to presumably do something quite nasty. stevie wonder, for once in my life. just had a call to say, robbo, whatever the things hanging in your loft might be, wait until the autumn, go up with a big stick, and knock them into a carrier bag. i think that's a good idea. -actually what i'll do is wait until the autumn, take a big stick, but send andy up there and knock them in the bag. +actually what i'll do is wait until the autumn, take a big stick, but send andy up there and knock them in the bag. not me. we're off to a fabulous start. -over one hundred new l reg already ordered for august the first, and we're taking more orders everyday. -why do more private motorists choose to supply their new than any other dealer in town? +over one hundred new l reg already ordered for august the first, and we're taking more orders everyday. +why do more private motorists choose to supply their new than any other dealer in town? it could be the high part exchange allowances. it could be the high no trade-in discounts. it could be just the way we treat you as a customer. -either way the only way you'll find out what the special quality is, is to visit us. +either way the only way you'll find out what the special quality is, is to visit us. ask us to explain in fine detail, the benefits of option, the most popular new way of driving a new car in britain. -this august chances are the best price in town could be the price. +this august chances are the best price in town could be the price. , wall to wall . attention motorists. why pay city centre prices on tyres and exhausts? -pay low prices at tyres and exhausts on . -call nottingham +pay low prices at tyres and exhausts on . +call nottingham of trent bridge. -call and you're in touch with the kitchen and conservatory specialists with probably the highest reputation for quality. +call and you're in touch with the kitchen and conservatory specialists with probably the highest reputation for quality. we stock an incredible range at permanently discounted prices. and we're more than happy to supply the trade and d i y-er too. call in to discover what real value for money is, on superb conservatories and kitchens. @@ -53460,8 +53415,8 @@ i never thought i'd be saying this but i'm now the proud owner of my very first i didn't think i'd ever be able to afford it, but here i am sitting in my own fitted kitchen, in my own centrally heated home. up to now i've always resigned myself to rented accommodation, but it's just not the same is it. always living in somebody else's house. -now thanks to housing association, i've got my own totally modern two bedroom home, and at last a big helping hand onto the property ladder. -for shared ownership starter homes in nottinghamshire and derbyshire, talk to housing association. +now thanks to housing association, i've got my own totally modern two bedroom home, and at last a big helping hand onto the property ladder. +for shared ownership starter homes in nottinghamshire and derbyshire, talk to housing association. two to three bedroomed houses are available now from just ten thousand seven hundred and fifty pounds. to find out more call derby . roads. @@ -53484,13 +53439,13 @@ for information about county council services call free on . that's freephone . thank you for your calls about what's up there in my loft. had a call a lady's just left a message on our reception, to say, robbo, be careful, it may be a nest of wasps. -oh don't fancy that. +oh don't fancy that. just chatting with jude upstairs here at trent. she said, here seal the loft, you know it makes sense. good morning. monday morning trent, it's just gone twenty minutes past eleven. as we begin for the next few weeks on monday mornings with jenny , a day in the life, a day in the life of nottinghamshire county council. -and jenny recently was chatting by the riverside at county hall to mick who's the chief executive of nottinghamshire county council, about just exactly what does the council do? +and jenny recently was chatting by the riverside at county hall to mick who's the chief executive of nottinghamshire county council, about just exactly what does the council do? it's a very large organization and it provides most of the local government services for the county of nottinghamshire. so we serve a population of over a million people. we provide all of the key services, education, social services, fire, police, highways, libraries. @@ -53511,8 +53466,8 @@ somebody actually writing in, as somebody did yesterday, because they want to de here this morning, here on trent. as we have our brand new part of a monday morning for the next few weeks. with a day in the life of the nottinghamshire county council. -with jenny reporting. -this morning chatting with mick who's the chief executi executive of nottinghamshire county council. +with jenny reporting. +this morning chatting with mick who's the chief executi executive of nottinghamshire county council. and mick chatting to jenny about what we can expect over the next few weeks, as we spend a day in the life. well we're going to er have a look at all at lots of exciting areas. er you're going to look at one of our our gems which is leisure services. @@ -53526,14 +53481,14 @@ so er i hope what this er series of interviews will er serve to prove, is both t the road system, that'll be wonderful. the question begs, you have to say, how come when you've just retarmacked a road that's right, electricity board, gas, erm cable t v company? it's updated hourly. -southbound's very busy this morning tailback on the +southbound's very busy this morning tailback on the it's the local information. -motorway this afternoon around junction twenty five +motorway this afternoon around junction twenty five it's the news that keeps you on the move. -nottingham road works with lane closures both ways -it's trent f ms traffic and travel with help from on road. +nottingham road works with lane closures both ways +it's trent f ms traffic and travel with help from on road. the driving force that keeps you on the road best. -as part of the commit +as part of the commit and rescue. consumer advice. nottinghamshire county council. @@ -53550,13 +53505,13 @@ serving the whole community. nottinghamshire county council. for information about county council services call free on . that's freephone . -trent f m summer weather with of trent bridge, where the forecast is quality kitchens and conservatories. -okay so it's being fairly cloudy this morning around er, well the last half hour or so and it's going to black for a fair while across lunchtime. +trent f m summer weather with of trent bridge, where the forecast is quality kitchens and conservatories. +okay so it's being fairly cloudy this morning around er, well the last half hour or so and it's going to black for a fair while across lunchtime. then those showers dying away er dying away this afternoon for one or two good sunny spells, temperature high today of sixty three degrees fahrenheit. tomorrow more of the same sunshine and showers. trent and robbo, monday, hello in nottingham lunchtime. so it's er it's getting very intriguing apparently because in my loft, i am told by a call to our reception just a few moments ago, it's definitely wasps in my loft. -and the gentleman who said that it's quite easy but er they need to handled carefully, but you need to get the council in, who will charge for taking the nest away. +and the gentleman who said that it's quite easy but er they need to handled carefully, but you need to get the council in, who will charge for taking the nest away. now i do fishing and ere we go. the grubs inside the nest, he'll take the nest away and the grubs he can use for fishing. actually sir, thank you very much indeed for your offer. @@ -53572,13 +53527,13 @@ elton john and the excellent your song. start of the newark festival gig night tonight. four local bands play in the castle grounds. watch out if you live in and around newark or you're heading out that way, you must get one of their brochures. -on page ooh eight or nine, striking photo of breakfast disk jockey this week, andy here from trent. -at the , at the , at in newark on the leisure diary. +on page ooh eight or nine, striking photo of breakfast disk jockey this week, andy here from trent. +at the , at the , at in newark on the leisure diary. the fam and fire on ninety six point two and ninety six point five, trent f m's bigger music mix. it's midday, i'm phil . detectives investigating the rape of a young woman at a rock festival in nottingham are interviewing some of the thousands of people who attended the event. -the woman was attacked in woodland at park on saturday night. +the woman was attacked in woodland at park on saturday night. police are anxious to trace a courting couple who were seen nearby. abroad three foreign journalists including a briton are reported to have been killed by sniper fire in the somali capital mogadishou. italian radio reports say the others killed were from germany and kenya. @@ -53590,7 +53545,7 @@ but no details have yet been released. security forces in northern ireland are on full alert ahead of the twelfth of july loyalist celebrations. nine people have been arrested in overnight clashes with police. up to a hundred thousand orangemen are due to march through belfast today to mark the battle of the boyne anniversary. -ken reports. +ken reports. nineteen parades are taking place across the province. the largest in belfast, but the most sensitive from a security point of view in other areas, where marching orangemen and their bands will pass close to nationalist districts. this is traditionally the most important day in the marching calendar for the orange order. @@ -53603,9 +53558,9 @@ but linda , a teacher and council adviser on education, says the idea of a so ca it appals me that anybody in government can considerate it appropriate to use terms like mum's army, with the connotations that that has with captain mainwaring and his bimbling set of idiots. they were hugely amusing on the television, it was a wonderful series, but we're actually talking about the education of children here, not high farce on the telly. detectives in mansfield are hunting a man who attacked a fifteen year old girl near a hospital. -it happened yesterday afternoon as the teenager was walking along a footpath through hospital in the town. -the transfer tribunal that'll decide the fee for nigel 's transfer from nottingham forrest to liverpool has been set for july the twentieth in walsall. -forrest value at three million pounds while liverpool have offered just one and a half million for the england international. +it happened yesterday afternoon as the teenager was walking along a footpath through hospital in the town. +the transfer tribunal that'll decide the fee for nigel 's transfer from nottingham forrest to liverpool has been set for july the twentieth in walsall. +forrest value at three million pounds while liverpool have offered just one and a half million for the england international. the weather, sunny intervals this afternoon but also scattered light showers. the top temperature around seventeen degrees celsius, sixty three fahrenheit, trent f m and be my baby tonight. @@ -53633,7 +53588,7 @@ i'm going to the fish shop. fish and chips, when they will do, only when they will do for you. leave your calls now on nottingham . cars will -jenny joins me again this wednesday on the morning show. +jenny joins me again this wednesday on the morning show. did you know that? i've been told that before by a hypnotherapist. the lines are dropping, trust me. @@ -53645,19 +53600,19 @@ but i'd say that's pretty close. department offers a full range of commercial and industrial waste collection services, in containers and skips. they also clean drains and even do m o ts. -for competitive rates and reliable service call on nottingham . +for competitive rates and reliable service call on nottingham . past midday. -there's going to be an open arm wrestling competition at the public house in chilwell tomorrow. +there's going to be an open arm wrestling competition at the public house in chilwell tomorrow. yes. tuesday the thirteenth of july. -weigh-in is between weigh-in that's what it says here. +weigh-in is between weigh-in that's what it says here. quarter past seven until a quarter to eight. all winners will receive a trophy. there will be a charge of fifty pence. -all proceeds will be donated to the centre for the mentally handicapped. +all proceeds will be donated to the centre for the mentally handicapped. good on you. thanks for raising the money. -it's the public house. +it's the public house. hello to the gang there. in chilwell, quarter past seven through until seven forty five tomorrow night for the weigh-in. and there's going to be an open arm wresting contest. @@ -53670,8 +53625,8 @@ cold last night. it's gonna be cold tonight, clearing and fairly chilly, temperatures down at just forty three. sixty three is the temperature high expected in nottinghamshire this monday afternoon. tuesday dry with sunny spells at first, then clouding as the day continues. -trent f m summer weather with -a young woman at a rock festival in nottingham's park. +trent f m summer weather with +a young woman at a rock festival in nottingham's park. the employment secretary tells nottingham bosses, treating staff properly will save money. and the government's so called mum's army proposals for teaching youngsters are expected to come under fire at a meeting in nottingham later today. those stories plus the rest of the main news on trent f m at one. @@ -53684,39 +53639,39 @@ now it can be quite a frightening disease especially for the sufferers families. eventually the person may not even recognize their friends or relatives. so of course it can be quite a shock when you discover that your mum or maybe your aunt has alzheimer's disease. if you or anyone you know is in this position and you need help, support and information, then you can contact the alzheimer's disease society. -and if you live in the area, you could get involved with a new branch that's just opened in that region. -if you want any more details at all, you just need to pick up the phone and call us here at the trent f m careline on +and if you live in the area, you could get involved with a new branch that's just opened in that region. +if you want any more details at all, you just need to pick up the phone and call us here at the trent f m careline on called wonderful world. so it's musical chairs this week on trent. -breakfast with andy for gary . +breakfast with andy for gary . me on the morning show robbo in the afternoon all this week. er bigger than the smaller ones still presumably, one until five with jenny. five until nine with tim . all this week the late show nine until one, including that midnight love affair with adrian . one, it's jenny for andy, pass it on. -eighty three a big hit for toto, africa and before that take that and their new single pray looking gorgeous as ever and take that the g older they get, the more classy and good looking they get. +eighty three a big hit for toto, africa and before that take that and their new single pray looking gorgeous as ever and take that the g older they get, the more classy and good looking they get. and don't you agree with that girls? eleven and a half minutes to three o'clock in the afternoon. -afternoons from one with jenny for andy all this week till friday. +afternoons from one with jenny for andy all this week till friday. and if you're feeling peckish, well what do you enjoy most as a bit of a takeaway treat? we'd like you to tell us when fish and chips will do for you. -call us now on nottingham or derby . +call us now on nottingham or derby . we'll play some of the most original calls and give away fish and chip meals mm. with wine plus a fish called wanda videos. all fishy stuff here. the top prize is fish and chips and a limousine with champagne. but you're not allowed to spill any tomato ketchup in the limousine cos they'll be very cross with you. -so call trent f m now on nottingham or derby and tell us, from you, when, only fish and chips will do. +so call trent f m now on nottingham or derby and tell us, from you, when, only fish and chips will do. on trent f m the big mix. from cool cloudy summer ninety three monday twelfth of july playing the who from nineteen sixty eight. -now er on the air at five o'clock mister tim with drive at five and the early evening sequence, and we're gonna chat to him in the next thirty minutes because he's been out shopping today and he's spent quite a lot of money on some brand new clothes. +now er on the air at five o'clock mister tim with drive at five and the early evening sequence, and we're gonna chat to him in the next thirty minutes because he's been out shopping today and he's spent quite a lot of money on some brand new clothes. find out more very soon. -it's jenny for andy , pass it on. +it's jenny for andy , pass it on. afternoon on trent f m. hey we got there we got there. gabrielle, dreams, and the lemonheads, mrs robinson. and i'm very pleased i'm gonna have a bit of a result this afternoon. -erm i did give out a plea about two hours ago that i lost my umbrella at the music festival this weekend. +erm i did give out a plea about two hours ago that i lost my umbrella at the music festival this weekend. a black lethal looking umbrella with a very strange hook on the end. someone's phoned in to say they found it on the grass. oh. @@ -53725,19 +53680,19 @@ that's all been cleared away and er thank you very much. they're bringing it in tomorrow so just shows just goes to show that if you put a plea out on the radio, you prayers can be answered sometimes. my umbrella has now been found. i'm a happier person for that. -on the air at five o'clock very soon tim driving you home plus the early evening sequence till nine. +on the air at five o'clock very soon tim driving you home plus the early evening sequence till nine. nine till one for me on the late show adrian . and one till six early hours of tuesday mark . -five, we have the latest on the hunt for a rapist who struck in park just yards from a free outdoor music festival. +five, we have the latest on the hunt for a rapist who struck in park just yards from a free outdoor music festival. and also nottinghamshire's teachers explain why they think parents shouldn't be allowed to teach in primary schools. -for these stories plus the rest of the news, join me ben for the extended bulletin at five on trent f m. +for these stories plus the rest of the news, join me ben for the extended bulletin at five on trent f m. delicate. desire and terrence trent d'arby together, delicate oh. well look at the time you see i did promise at one o'clock to make five o'clock arrive earlier, quicker and we got there in style for the past four hours. thank you for you company. -it's for all week so i'll see you tomorrow afternoon. +it's for all week so i'll see you tomorrow afternoon. tuesday's afternoon show one till five with jenny . -stand by tim here after the news update at five o'clock to take you home in style. +stand by tim here after the news update at five o'clock to take you home in style. and ninety six point five, this is trent always playing a bigger music mix. the headlines. a british journalist is killed in somalia. @@ -53748,21 +53703,21 @@ aid workers in somalia say today's american led assault on the capital mogadisho helicopter gunships fired missiles at what they thought was a command centre of warlord general adid. but innocent civilians are among the casualties. in a violent backlash a number of journalists, including a british photographer, were killed by rampaging mobs. -mike from the charity says, the americans have made a terrible mistake. +mike from the charity says, the americans have made a terrible mistake. the deaths of er these people today er that's going to totally er isolate er the the somalis from us and erm what happened today i believe was a a unforgivable. er i've seen er a list of twenty seven names today and i have grave doubts about whether this was a command structure of er general adid's. er i think there may have been a mid mistake made today and i hope that this is investigated fully. it's hoped a british engineer and his australian cousin, kidnapped by the kurdish rebels in turkey, could soon be set free. diplomats working for their release say they hope the pair will be out within days if not hours. -zena a kurdish representative in london says the two are safe and well in a secret guerilla camp. +zena a kurdish representative in london says the two are safe and well in a secret guerilla camp. there is no doubt about there will be no harm whatsoever. er they are er they will be er very well treated, they will be offered the same er facilities as the guerillas have or even better fa better better treatment in some cases. one shouldn't think of they will be er they will be harmed. detectives hunting the rapist who attacked a young woman at a nottingham f music festival at the weekend, have been interviewing some of the thousands of people who attended the event. -the woman was grabbed as she walked through woodland in park. -danny reports. -the victim who's in her twenties had strayed away from the crowds of people attending the music festival, at about ten o'clock on saturday night. -detective sergeant andy says she wandered across a nearby golf course. +the woman was grabbed as she walked through woodland in park. +danny reports. +the victim who's in her twenties had strayed away from the crowds of people attending the music festival, at about ten o'clock on saturday night. +detective sergeant andy says she wandered across a nearby golf course. she actually went part of the way with er a male friend who had gone to chaperon her. he'd stayed some three hundred yards away from her when she actually crossed over in the golf course into er a wooded area. where she was attacked by a male er who who pushed her down to the ground, and raped her, and then made off. @@ -53772,20 +53727,20 @@ we've had a good festival this year with no major incidents at all, and this has the attacker is thought to have blonde or peroxide shoulder length hair and was wearing a tweed type jacket. police are particularly anxious to trace a courting couple who were seen nearby at the time of the attack. the say it's vital the rapist is caught before he strikes again. -m p douglas says immediate action must be taken to boost staffing levels at the hospital where killer nurse beverley allitt worked. -only two consultants are working on ward four at hospital a year after a health authority report called for increased supervision. -mr. says he's looking into the matter. +m p douglas says immediate action must be taken to boost staffing levels at the hospital where killer nurse beverley allitt worked. +only two consultants are working on ward four at hospital a year after a health authority report called for increased supervision. +mr. says he's looking into the matter. the problem that is now faced apparently is that there is not a sufficient number of paediatric specialists available to give clinical care. do you think your constituents should be concerned? i think that they are right to want a sufficient number of qualified paediatric specialists in the hospital. they're right to want that. -and if the manager of the hospital and i have already dictated a letter to him on this er point and i plan to speak to him today. +and if the manager of the hospital and i have already dictated a letter to him on this er point and i plan to speak to him today. it's a matter for the management team to address and to address urgently. nottingham crown court has been hearing allegations that a taxi driver raped a lesbian passenger after picking her up from a nightclub. -mark has this. +mark has this. the court was told the woman became pregnant and had to have an abortion. -twenty five year old zia of denies raping the woman in december nineteen ninety one. -she told the court she'd been with two girlfriends to the nightclub in nottingham city centre, where it was a monthly gay night. +twenty five year old zia of denies raping the woman in december nineteen ninety one. +she told the court she'd been with two girlfriends to the nightclub in nottingham city centre, where it was a monthly gay night. it was alleged she was raped in the taxi near trent bridge. the court heard the accused told the police that sexual intercourse had taken place with the woman's consent. the trial continues tomorrow. @@ -53794,7 +53749,7 @@ he is telling the european commission that british airways offers incentives to the cases of five men convicted in nottinghamshire of crimes they claim they didn't commit are being highlighted as part of a campaign organized by human rights group . speakers at a rally this afternoon have called for the release of hundreds of prisoners they claim are innocent. we have this from caroline . -anthony from was found guilty of the manslaughter of a seven year old girl in ninety eighty six, and served four and a half years in prison. +anthony from was found guilty of the manslaughter of a seven year old girl in ninety eighty six, and served four and a half years in prison. he was convicted largely on the basis of a confession which he later retracted. since then he's been fighting to prove his innocence. they say i'm not safe with children and that that's wrong. @@ -53803,7 +53758,7 @@ and i can't live my life with family now and have children without getting hassl i feel very angry you know what i mean. with the way the system is. very very angry cos to tell try and tell the truth and not believes is it's is wrong. -bill who campaigns for the human rights group in nottingham says there's too much margin for error in the justice system. +bill who campaigns for the human rights group in nottingham says there's too much margin for error in the justice system. the police can't even decide to charge someone, t is the crown prosecution service who must decide whether or not they're going to charge someone. and i think you know, the c p s by investigating the case must always be aware that these people are innocent. then you have the prosecution barrister and there as you know there has been some quite disgraceful behaviour by prosecution barristers, and then the defence council as well. @@ -53813,11 +53768,11 @@ as far as anthony is concerned it's too little too late. it's very important to me to get my life sorted out. i need to get myself back on my feet and forget all this and get it all sorted out and so i can live my life again. that report from caroline . -detectives in say a young couple could have vital information on a d fifteen year old girl. -the teenager was walking through the grounds of hospital yesterday evening, when a man pulled her to the ground and threatened her. +detectives in say a young couple could have vital information on a d fifteen year old girl. +the teenager was walking through the grounds of hospital yesterday evening, when a man pulled her to the ground and threatened her. the speaker of the commons will rule today on whether mps who are lloyds names can vote on the finance bill. if she says they can't, the bill which puts into effect the budget, could be wrecked. -labour mp peter says that since the bill contains measures to help the battered insurance forty four tory mps who stand to gain shouldn't be allowed to vote. +labour mp peter says that since the bill contains measures to help the battered insurance forty four tory mps who stand to gain shouldn't be allowed to vote. meanwhile former boxer henry cooper has been forced to sell his three lonsdale belts after losing money as one of the lloyds' names who suffered in the insurance market collapse. the belts went under the hammer in a sotheby's auction in canterbury fetching forty two thousand pounds. henry says he's lost the belts but not what they stand for. @@ -53828,7 +53783,7 @@ i mean thank god i'm not broke i'm not i'm not skint i'm alright thank you. this is just gonna secure my future when i retire. the government's so called mum's army proposals have come under fire at a meeting of teachers and councillors in nottingham this afternoon. they're angry over plans aimed at encouraging parents to take up teaching in primary schools. -linda a spokesperson for the county's education advisory committee says, a one year training course isn't enough to turn parents into teachers. +linda a spokesperson for the county's education advisory committee says, a one year training course isn't enough to turn parents into teachers. just knowing children does not mean that you can teach, that you will be au fait with all the intricacies of the national curriculum, that you have any degree of pedagogical skill. there are so many things involved. obviously people appreciate that children learn things and they can help them, but the question is, why? @@ -53846,9 +53801,9 @@ of course they should. but why should women, for women t it will be, become second class citizens, and why should our nursery and infant age children be second class citizens too. the women deserve a right to have a proper training, not a watered down version. and then as sure as night follows day, they will be paid less. -the employment secretary david has today told company bosses in nottingham that treating their staff properly will save them money and boost their profits. -mister was in the city to prevent and investors in people award to the chemists for encouraging it's staff to take vocational training. -since the campaign started bosses say it's saved them fourteen million pounds by reducing staff turnover. +the employment secretary david has today told company bosses in nottingham that treating their staff properly will save them money and boost their profits. +mister was in the city to prevent and investors in people award to the chemists for encouraging it's staff to take vocational training. +since the campaign started bosses say it's saved them fourteen million pounds by reducing staff turnover. and the first deadline for applications for b t three shares expires in a few hours time. analysts say the floatation looks like being a success. more than five million people have registered for part of the government's remaining stake in british telecom. @@ -53863,7 +53818,7 @@ and aid workers in somalia say today's american led assault on the capital mogad helicopter gunships fired missiles at what they thought was a command centre of warlord general adid. but innocent civilians are among the casualties. in a violent backlash a number of journalists, including a british photographer, were killed by rampaging mobs. -mike from the charity says, the americans have made a terrible mistake. +mike from the charity says, the americans have made a terrible mistake. are predicting a cut in the level of their council tax. the tory led authority says they've been so successful in collecting the tax, that they've earmarked a hundred and seventy thousand pounds to help cut future bills. this is equal to a six pound fifty cut for band d properties. @@ -53872,10 +53827,10 @@ any showers will soon clear to leave a fine evening followed by a cold and clear tomorrow morning it'll be dry wit hazy sunshine but increasing cloud is likely to give outbreaks of rain later in the afternoon. tonight maxim er minimum temperature six degrees celsius, that's forty three fahrenheit. cockney phil collins. -oh up the apples pears and all that kind of business. +oh up the apples pears and all that kind of business. genesis who's called land of confusion. trent on a monday night. -trent drive tim with you until seven with drive and the early evening sequence seven till nine tonight. +trent drive tim with you until seven with drive and the early evening sequence seven till nine tonight. back of the radiator. can you just get up and look under your seat for me for a moment? no you've not got it. @@ -53885,14 +53840,14 @@ mm here's tina. it's wednesday july fourteenth nineteen ninety three. it's eight thirty, i'm ben . police and mps have strongly criticized an old bailey verdict which allowed a teenage vandal to walk free after he'd admitted stabbing a neighbour to death. -nineteen year old joseph from south london said he'd been acting in self defence, and he was cleared of murdering bob who'd challenging him with a hammer when he found him slashing car tyres. -three soccer fans from in jail in turkey accused of trying to use forged fifty pound notes will learn their fate today. +nineteen year old joseph from south london said he'd been acting in self defence, and he was cleared of murdering bob who'd challenging him with a hammer when he found him slashing car tyres. +three soccer fans from in jail in turkey accused of trying to use forged fifty pound notes will learn their fate today. the three say they were issued the cash by a bank and didn't know it was phoney. there are claims that more and more people are turning to begging or prostitution in nottingham because of homelessness. aid agencies are targeting the city as one of several in britain where the number of teenagers sleeping rough is up. youngsters at a nottingham school have become video directors to combat joyriding. -pupils at the school want the film, which includes police footage and interviews with the relatives of those killed by joyriders, to be shown nationwide. -and multi million pound plans to expand the centre will and and improve nottingham city centre, come under the spotlight today. +pupils at the school want the film, which includes police footage and interviews with the relatives of those killed by joyriders, to be shown nationwide. +and multi million pound plans to expand the centre will and and improve nottingham city centre, come under the spotlight today. it's eight thirty one. thank you ben. and the forecast says, although damp and misty at first with some drizzle, the day will become dry. @@ -53900,33 +53855,33 @@ dry skies also and some sunshine here and there. temperature high this afternoon twenty and sixty eight. low twelve that's fifty four. the air is good today and the outlook is fine at first but a seventy five percent chance of rain by mid afternoon. -trent f m summer weather with of tren +trent f m summer weather with of tren the fee for the twenty six year old will be decided by a transfer tribunal, after the two clubs failed to agree on the players valuation. european cup holders marseille could be thrown out of next seasons competition, because of their involvement in a bribery scandal. -along with two players and a club official, president bernard is being accused of trying to bribe a team to throw a match. +along with two players and a club official, president bernard is being accused of trying to bribe a team to throw a match. finally cycling and the tour de france resumes in the alps this morning. -spain's miguel wears the leader's yellow jersey. +spain's miguel wears the leader's yellow jersey. today's sport brought to you in association with 's new supermodel, the . -go and see it at of derby. +go and see it at of derby. time twenty five to nine. if you are just starting a new job of any kind this morning, your first day, then don't worry, it doesn't matter what you do, the odds on the first two things they'll show you is, where the toilet is, and how to load paper into the photocopier. -robin prince of sherwood should i say at the tonight. -tribute to ivor novello at the , also robert plant the in birmingham. -and jeff hello good morning. +robin prince of sherwood should i say at the tonight. +tribute to ivor novello at the , also robert plant the in birmingham. +and jeff hello good morning. hello jeff. drives a red escort, you've got yourself ten pounds on the sticker drive. just call reception from nine this morning on . carnival. -rob and the trent hit squad van will be in the parade around the town at midday. +rob and the trent hit squad van will be in the parade around the town at midday. ooh. -you can join our roadshow on the carnival ground road from two, with andy . +you can join our roadshow on the carnival ground road from two, with andy . saturday in mansfield. is the music with trent f m. good morning, hello, trent f m here. how are you? all right. bearing up i hope under the pressure. -and don't forget that this weeks prize draw on the trent f m and draw, is tickets to see bon jovi, live at in september. +and don't forget that this weeks prize draw on the trent f m and draw, is tickets to see bon jovi, live at in september. but that's not all. er you'll get to meet the band in person as well. all you do is send us your name and address to be here please no later than this coming friday afternoon's afternoon show. @@ -53936,14 +53891,14 @@ wednesday fourteenth of july nineteen ninety three. as we say in radio, half way towards the weekend. it's downhill here on in thank goodness. hear erasure, also happy mondays and the shamen. -ee's a good, ee's a good this coming saturday night from nine on trent f m. +ee's a good, ee's a good this coming saturday night from nine on trent f m. this morning at nine thirty robbo has the morning show. -with his special guest jenny talking graphology this morning. -and at one the afternoon show from jenny on trent f m. +with his special guest jenny talking graphology this morning. +and at one the afternoon show from jenny on trent f m. i'm phil . police and mps have strongly criticized a teenage vandal to walk free after he'd admitted stabbing a neighbour to death. -nineteen year old joseph from south london said he'd been acting in self defence. -and he was cleared of murdering bob who'd challenged him with a hammer when he found him slashing car tyres. +nineteen year old joseph from south london said he'd been acting in self defence. +and he was cleared of murdering bob who'd challenged him with a hammer when he found him slashing car tyres. his widow diane says there's been a terrible injustice. i saw my husband die in front of my eyes. i was attacked too, and i had to get up next morning and tell my daughter, she didn't have a daddy any more. @@ -53951,13 +53906,13 @@ i had to go christmas. i've had to go through a funeral. and that man has walked free. and i think it is totally disgusting. -baroness will today lead an all party campaign in the house of lord, demanding a referendum on the maastricht treaty. -it'll be the first time she's voted against the government and her former deputy geoffrey says she's guilty of disloyalty. +baroness will today lead an all party campaign in the house of lord, demanding a referendum on the maastricht treaty. +it'll be the first time she's voted against the government and her former deputy geoffrey says she's guilty of disloyalty. the number of teachers retiring early is said to have risen dramatically, with a survey showing a threefold increase since nineteen seventy nine. the figures come from the head teachers union which is blaming stress caused by the government's education reforms. pupils at a nottingham school have produced a video aimed at stopping joyriding. -children at the school want the film to be distributed nationally to schools and youth centres to get the message across. -teacher paul says the video is hard hitting and comprehensive. +children at the school want the film to be distributed nationally to schools and youth centres to get the message across. +teacher paul says the video is hard hitting and comprehensive. we're interviewing victims of joyriders. er mothers who've lost children, people who've been hit by joyriders, who've suffered severe head injuries. and this is a very powerful video and has elicited tears in adults and pupils. @@ -53965,24 +53920,24 @@ who've seen it. so it is a very emotional and emotive video. d n a testing is to be used to provide positive identification of the britons who lost their lives in the waco cult siege. relatives of the thirteen u k citizens still unaccounted for including four nottingham are welcoming the move. -three soccer fans from who are in jail in turkey accused of trying to use forged fifty pound notes, will learn their fate today. -thirty year old robin , thirty two year old paul and twenty three year old darren , say they withdraw the notes from a bank and didn't know they were phoney. +three soccer fans from who are in jail in turkey accused of trying to use forged fifty pound notes, will learn their fate today. +thirty year old robin , thirty two year old paul and twenty three year old darren , say they withdraw the notes from a bank and didn't know they were phoney. robin's mother dorothy says, the four month wait for their trial in a turkish prison has been a huge mental strain. -it's very unfair with not knowing it's like anything else. +it's very unfair with not knowing it's like anything else. if you know it's going to happen, you can accept it. er but the not knowing is the worst part about it. aid agencies are claiming that increasing homelessness in nottingham is forcing more and more youngsters to turn to begging or even prostitution. the city's one of several being targeted. -maureen is manager at house, a day centre for the homeless in nottingham. +maureen is manager at house, a day centre for the homeless in nottingham. she says many youngsters who've been brought up in care are often incapable of looking after themselves when they leave. they don't have they life skills to be able to look after themselves. they find it very difficult to manage a budget. on the money that they're on. they find it very difficult to cook for themselves, shop for themselves and generally look after themselves in all the ways that we would accept as being quite normal. -police are appealing for witnesses after an armed robbery at a building society in yesterday afternoon. -a gunman escaped with an undisclosed amount of cash after threatening an assistant at the building society on road in the town. +police are appealing for witnesses after an armed robbery at a building society in yesterday afternoon. +a gunman escaped with an undisclosed amount of cash after threatening an assistant at the building society on road in the town. planners will today be told to see if they can find a way to close a vital nottingham city centre link road without causing major traffic problems. -developers want to close street to extend the centre, but as part of the city centre ring road, it carries thousands of vehicles a day. +developers want to close street to extend the centre, but as part of the city centre ring road, it carries thousands of vehicles a day. scientists have discovered a possible dinosaur nesting area, and an egg which has survived a hundred and forty five million years intact. a dark patch inside one broken egg could be the remains of an embryo. palaeontologists in denver say the find from the jurassic period is very important. @@ -53998,8 +53953,8 @@ and you can't. nine o eight, i can't sing, i can't dance, genesis. today is july fourteenth. er you can see the jeff healey band at ,. -kelly's heroes at the , and scratch trial by jury in the , wild blue yonder in the and girl's choir at , all part of the festival. -who you're supposed to be worry until you get there on time. +kelly's heroes at the , and scratch trial by jury in the , wild blue yonder in the and girl's choir at , all part of the festival. +who you're supposed to be worry until you get there on time. i really am a worrier. twelve minutes past nine in the morning on trent f m, reasons to be cheerful. and don't forget all this week on drive time with tim, he'll be airing some of the best, when only fish and chips will do stories. @@ -54007,7 +53962,7 @@ each night six people will win free fish and chips with a bottle of wine. and also a fish called wanda on video. on friday's show tim will choose one of this week's winners for the first prize of fish and chips in a limo with champagne. okay. -hi +hi and don't i lie a lot. it's nine sixteen, that's gabrielle and dreams. while we're promoting my own show and blowing my own trumpet, er this afternoon jenny is on for my for me this afternoon. @@ -54018,13 +53973,13 @@ and in that pack you'll have things like, er a picture of my granddad to colour. we don't give you the crayons, only the picture. er also we've got er photographs of the presenters, there's also details of the roadshows for nineteen ninety three. so basically what i'm saying is, get on the blower and call jenny this afternoon from one o'clock. -we've broken through the two -adrian including the midnight love affair. +we've broken through the two +adrian including the midnight love affair. and at one mark . it's wednesday morning, it's nine twenty and right now here's a real inappropriate song. once again. i'm back tomorrow morning from six a m. -hope you can join me for the breakfast show for gary and robbo's next in your day. +hope you can join me for the breakfast show for gary and robbo's next in your day. what can i do for you you said yesterday that i couldn't speak first. you go first. @@ -54063,7 +54018,7 @@ lawnmower. two. glass of beer. that is in my garden on a sunday. -yeah come on +yeah come on er er trowel. three. er hoe. @@ -54079,11 +54034,11 @@ that's it. what about what what about shears, what do you think? she oh shears yeah . yeah. -about a kitchen glove, inside out when you have to blow them up. +about a kitchen glove, inside out when you have to blow them up. odyssey, inside out, from nineteen eighty two, and debbie harry can see clearly now. mum. the caravan of love. -so every now and again, we've mentioned this on the morning show before, every now and again along comes a song that like everybody here at says, oh isn't that just brilliant. +so every now and again, we've mentioned this on the morning show before, every now and again along comes a song that like everybody here at says, oh isn't that just brilliant. this is one of them there songs. and it is just brilliant. andy was saying, what a great song. @@ -54098,9 +54053,9 @@ i don't understand that but it says that down on my script here, from morning sh er for gemini, another fairly quite day for the most of you. and finally phase number one with cancerians,a rather strange almost mystical day ahead, with thoughts returning from the past. says the seas at blackpool and southport aren't up to scratch, but it's given formby a clean bill of health. -chief tourism officer for blackpool barry says work is already under way to improve the sea water there. +chief tourism officer for blackpool barry says work is already under way to improve the sea water there. this year we've er introduced disinfection. -and then certainly in two and a half year's time, a hundred and seventy million pounds is being spent by water er putting in a new sewage station. +and then certainly in two and a half year's time, a hundred and seventy million pounds is being spent by water er putting in a new sewage station. but er unfortunately, this is something that happened in the past and the government have been prosecuted for it, they've been found guilty, but blackpool's name has been dragged way down with them. aid agencies are claiming that increasing homelessness in we say we have nottingham's biggest and brightest music mix. @@ -54133,7 +54088,7 @@ so you have to news if you want to watch it. brilliant you can er actually dip into that at ten o'clock on channel four. but then you can watch a film and a series on central all the way through, without having to wait from about five minutes to ten, almost, not literally, but almost through till about er five to eleven. of trent -on rob 's morning show, join me jenny this monday, the nineteenth of july, when i'll pop down to the urban traffic control centre in nottingham city centre, to switch on all those traffic lights. +on rob 's morning show, join me jenny this monday, the nineteenth of july, when i'll pop down to the urban traffic control centre in nottingham city centre, to switch on all those traffic lights. from you handwriting. it's it's quite unbelievable, i mean you sit here and people go away and say, i can't believe that jenny's just got all that from a page of writing. jenny my guest at about a quarter past eleven. @@ -54143,63 +54098,63 @@ for aquarius,there's an air of misinformation about. maybe you're not getting the full story and all the facts . and finally for pisceans,today finds you at your most creative . in the last twenty four hours, and it will continue to be low in the next twenty four hours. -trent f m summer weather with of +trent f m summer weather with of be a bit of sunshine expected and temperatures back up to near normal at sixty eight degrees fahrenheit. hello, taking tea some time this afternoon. er blonder than the darker ones on the afternoon show all this week for andy . between one and five. early evening sequence, five until nine with tim . -check out adrian sounding very good last night, playing the best with our biggest mix of music. -in for jenny including the love affair. -adrian nighttime at nine. +check out adrian sounding very good last night, playing the best with our biggest mix of music. +in for jenny including the love affair. +adrian nighttime at nine. gets under way on saturday the thirtieth of october, and for just seventy five pounds, you can be on board the m s , which'll be your floating hotel for three days of relaxation and entertainment. once in bremen, you can experience one of the largest fairs in northern germany, and sample a marvellous mixture of beers wines and fabulous foods in a great party atmosphere. the trent f m trip to hamburg and bremen. for seventy five pounds can you afford to miss it? -call today. +call today. for fraud. -three soccer fans accused of using forged banknotes, have ben set free by a judge after spending four months in a turkish jail. +three soccer fans accused of using forged banknotes, have ben set free by a judge after spending four months in a turkish jail. and detectives are hunting two youths who raped a teenage girl while she was camping in . those stories plus the rest of the main news on trent f m at one. careline's madonna lookalike, here's rachel. not quite rob. well good afternoon. well we've got a few details of some drop in centres this afternoon. -and the first one is based at a project called and it's for unemployed people in . +and the first one is based at a project called and it's for unemployed people in . that's an area that relied heavily on mining for jobs, and now the coal fields are being shut down, a lot of people are being left without careers. -if you're in that situation, you might find a visit to useful. +if you're in that situation, you might find a visit to useful. there's details of courses and job opportunities, and perhaps you can get some advice on the type of job that you'd be good for you. if you know the type of this you're looking for, then you can get free use of paper, stamps and a telephone, in fact anything that'll get you that ideal position. the centre can also give advice on benefits, which is obviously really important when you've just lost your job. if you want to know when the centre's open, and what happens on each day, then just give us a ring and we'll pass on the details. -and the second drop in centre is based at the newly relaunched project. +and the second drop in centre is based at the newly relaunched project. the idea behind their centre, is to give people with h i v and aids some breathing space. and time to either discuss their illness with people who understand how they feel, and the way that people react, or to just relax and forget all about the fact they're living with it. the team at the project have set up some times when everyone can pop in, as well as a special session on wednesday mornings which is only for women and children. if you're interested in spending some time with people who know what you're going through, or you just want to watch a video, then you don't need to make an appointment. all you need to do is find out when they're open, which you can do by phoning us. -to find out more about the drop in centre at for unemployed people, or the sessions at the project, then call us here at the trent f m careline on nottingham . +to find out more about the drop in centre at for unemployed people, or the sessions at the project, then call us here at the trent f m careline on nottingham . pet shop boys, we've also just played here on trent, queen brilliant seventy four, seven seas of rye. we're waiting for the lost and founds. -black and white adult cat wearing a collar found in the area, on the twelfth of july. +black and white adult cat wearing a collar found in the area, on the twelfth of july. we've lost a blue budgie in the . -a black and white fluffy cat in and a german pointer. +a black and white fluffy cat in and a german pointer. which way? that way. -a german pointer lost in the area. -on -that was +a german pointer lost in the area. +on +that was we have lisa who is the queen of the careline, dancing along to that particular song. -it's the doc, mister and sing hallelujah. +it's the doc, mister and sing hallelujah. it's trent at three minutes to one. with annie lennox and dave stewart. a man carrying a bomb's arrested in london. a former sheriff of nottingham has been jailed for fraud. -three soccer fans accused of using forged banknotes have been set free by a judge in turkey, and inflation's dropped to its lowest level in thirty years. +three soccer fans accused of using forged banknotes have been set free by a judge in turkey, and inflation's dropped to its lowest level in thirty years. good afternoon i'm phil . police say they've caught a terrorist red handed on his way to plant a bomb. officers arrested him in north london, close to the scene of last year's staples corner blast. -as george reports, when he was seized, he was carrying an explosive device. +as george reports, when he was seized, he was carrying an explosive device. scotland yard says it was a joint operation between members of the metropolitan police and the security services. just after nine o'clock this morning, a man carrying a bag was challenged, close to a bus stop in north london. when the holdall was opened it was found to contain a bomb. @@ -54207,15 +54162,15 @@ the man was immediately arrested by anti-terrorist officers. he's now being held at paddington green top security police station. a former sheriff of nottingham has been jailed for fraud. was convicted of stealing nearly ten thousand pounds from the city council during a twenty month period. -and reports. -forty four year old became nottingham's first asian sheriff in may nineteen ninety one, but he was by then already stealing from various arts organizations. +and reports. +forty four year old became nottingham's first asian sheriff in may nineteen ninety one, but he was by then already stealing from various arts organizations. he was forced to resign, and eventually convicted of four theft and seven forgery charges. -handing down a twelve month sentence, and ordering him to pay twenty thousand pounds costs, judge charles told , his downfall and subsequent exposure was a punishment in itself. +handing down a twelve month sentence, and ordering him to pay twenty thousand pounds costs, judge charles told , his downfall and subsequent exposure was a punishment in itself. has paid back eight thousand pounds of the money he stole. three nottinghamshire soccer fans accused of using forged banknotes by police in turkey, have been freed. the four were arrested after travelling to watch an england world cup game four months ago. -ben reports. -thirty year old robin , thirty two year old paul and twenty three year old darren , left their homes in to travel to turkey to support england last march. +ben reports. +thirty year old robin , thirty two year old paul and twenty three year old darren , left their homes in to travel to turkey to support england last march. they'd been issued with sterling by lloyds bank. on arrival in turkey, the three became aware of a police campaign to stamp down on counterfeiters. they offered to help, but three of their fifty pound notes were fakes. @@ -54223,12 +54178,12 @@ all were arrested. it was the beginning of a four month ordeal as the painfully slow turkish legal system swung into action. at today's hearing the turkish judge finally allowed the men to go free while continuing the trial. he decided that guilty or not, the time they'd served was enough. -robin 's mother dorothy says now, she can't wait to see her son again. +robin 's mother dorothy says now, she can't wait to see her son again. unbelievable. you can imagine the relief, excitement, everything just rolled into one. it was fant fantastic. are you celebrating? -we will as soon as they get foot here on england's soil, we'll definitely be celebrating. +we will as soon as they get foot here on england's soil, we'll definitely be celebrating. but we will be tonight anyway. i just can't believe it. it's the news that we knew that's all that it could turn out to be, but it was just waiting to hear for it officially and going all through these months. @@ -54237,34 +54192,34 @@ now officials are frantically trying to find the men a flight home. meanwhile, it's not clear if they'll get any compensation for their ordeal. detectives are hunting two youths who raped a teenage girl while she was camping in . the attack happened in the early hours of sunday morning, but details have only just been released. -detective constable ian says the girl was in a tent when the youths burst in and attacked her. -a teenage girl was camping out with a number of friends on field at , which is situated between lane and lane. +detective constable ian says the girl was in a tent when the youths burst in and attacked her. +a teenage girl was camping out with a number of friends on field at , which is situated between lane and lane. the group were approached by two males who were not known to them, and the female was asked to enter the tent, and both youths took turns in entering the tent, where a serious sexual assault took place on the female. it is felt that the persons responsible are in fact local, although both youths stated that they were from the nottingham area. it's thought one of the youths is called mike or dave, he's white about five foot ten with light curly hair, and was wearing dark jeans, a dark top and a baseball cap. the other could be called jay, he's of mixed race, about five foot six with dark curly hair, and was wearing dark jeans and a dark bomber jacket. inflation's fallen again to a new thirty year low, and now stands at one point two percent, down from one point three percent. -danny reports. +danny reports. during june, sharp falls in the price of seasonal foods like fruit and vegetables, contributed to the heavy slide in inflation. and the start of the high street summer sales, with clothing and household goods being discounted, also played a part. after removing the effects of falling mortgage rates, the underlying inflation rate, the one the treasury watches was unchanged at two point eight percent. it could be the figure will turn out to be the low point of the trend, although if the pound continues to strengthen, that'll be good news for the government's control over inflation. a hard hitting video aimed at stopping joyriding is released today. -it's been produced by children at the school in nottingham, and pupils hope the film will be distributed nationally. -ian reports. +it's been produced by children at the school in nottingham, and pupils hope the film will be distributed nationally. +ian reports. the video's main aim is to persuade young people not to steal cars. teacher paul . this is a very powerful video and has elicited tears in adults and pupils. who've seen it. so it is a very emotional and emotive video. -sixteen year old francesca worked on the project. +sixteen year old francesca worked on the project. the joyrider that we interviewed, he was fairly upset and he wished that he'd never done it in the first place. i went to climb into the car, through the windscreen . and then the car caught fire the parents didn't have any sympathy for people that joyrided, and they couldn't understand why they did it. the last time i spoke to daniel was on the evening of the accident. from the time the car hit him, he never regained consciousness. -pupils emily and sarah . +pupils emily and sarah . i've always had very strong feelings against joyriding, but i think it's made me more aware of the consequences. i think if the video was made by people of the age that were joyriding, it might deter them more than parents saying, don't do it. the idea was the brainchild o schools liaison officer p c @@ -54272,12 +54227,12 @@ it's message is to think before going into a car. think about the possibilities, think about the consequences, it may not be you, it may be an innocent life. the school needs at least three thousand pounds in sponsorship to distribute the video to other schools, youth clubs and community projects. home secretary michael howard is demanding a report on the case of a teenage vandal who walked free from court after admitting stabbing his neighbour to death. -bob died after brandishing a hammer at the youth who was slashing car tyres in south london. -clare reports. -nineteen year old joe whooped with delight when the old bailey jury acquitted him. -high on drink and drugs he stabbed rob through the heart. +bob died after brandishing a hammer at the youth who was slashing car tyres in south london. +clare reports. +nineteen year old joe whooped with delight when the old bailey jury acquitted him. +high on drink and drugs he stabbed rob through the heart. the music teacher was carrying a mallet, claimed he acted in self defence. -mister 's widow diane says the decision's disgusting. +mister 's widow diane says the decision's disgusting. the whole justice system stinks. police and politicians are demanding urgent changes in the law. tory backbencher david . @@ -54285,34 +54240,34 @@ i support, up to a point, er vigilantes because i think they're helping to prote home secretary michael howard is calling for a report on the case to see if there are any lessons to be learnt. it's claimed more and more young people are turning to prostitution and begging on the streets of nottingham as homelessness continues to increase. a survey of aid agencies has targeted the city, as one of many throughout britain where the number of under twenties sleeping rough is on the up. -danny reports. +danny reports. the survey, which has been carried out nationwide, concludes that the homelessness epidemic is no longer confined to london. -mark who was born in the capital, has been living rough in nottingham. +mark who was born in the capital, has been living rough in nottingham. i came up from london. -there was nothing for me going on down there, so i come to nottingham to give it a try. +there was nothing for me going on down there, so i come to nottingham to give it a try. how have you come to be homeless? i got evicted from my last place i was at. so i was been on the streets now for about eight years. -nottingham spokesman for housing charity , tim says it's a major problem. +nottingham spokesman for housing charity , tim says it's a major problem. we've noticed that the numbers of young homeless people who are coming to see us have risen and risen over the last few months and few years. and it's all a situation that was predicted back in nineteen eighty eight when the government cut benefits for sixteen and seventeen year olds. -at the time, voluntary organizations like said, if you take away young people's money, you take away their ability to find housing. +at the time, voluntary organizations like said, if you take away young people's money, you take away their ability to find housing. what will happen is you'll have homeless people on the streets begging. and that is precisely what has happened. -maureen is a manager at house a day centre for the homeless on in nottingham. +maureen is a manager at house a day centre for the homeless on in nottingham. she says the governments recent care in the community legislation, has forced many people with mental health problems, onto the streets. i think it's made it more difficult for people to be monitored when they're er taking medication. i think that's a problem, they're on medication they're all perfectly fine. but if if their medication's not being taken correctly then obviously that creates problems. -it's estimated that up to two hundred and fifty people use house on a daily basis. +it's estimated that up to two hundred and fifty people use house on a daily basis. sport, the draw for the european football competitions has given manchester united a trip to hungary. rangers meet the champions of bulgaria. -john reports. -united's return begins with a first round tie against , with the opening leg away, while rangers start at against . -and welsh face a qualifying tie with cork city. +john reports. +united's return begins with a first round tie against , with the opening leg away, while rangers start at against . +and welsh face a qualifying tie with cork city. the gunners will face either odens of denmark, or slovenians publicum, with aberdeen also meeting a preliminary round winner. in the uefa cup aston villa have a tough trip to slovan bratislava. -norwich are paired with dutch club and hearts who gained a surprise place yesterday, play athletico madrid. +norwich are paired with dutch club and hearts who gained a surprise place yesterday, play athletico madrid. the main news again this lunch time. police say they've caught a terrorist red handed on his way to plant a bomb. officers arrested him in north london. @@ -54323,32 +54278,32 @@ the weather, the rest of today's likely to remain rather cloudy with a chance of the top temperature nineteen degrees celsius, sixty six fahrenheit. f m dancing through the afternoon in style, playing haddaway. gonna say a big hello to j. -and this is a big afternoon hello to you from clare. +and this is a big afternoon hello to you from clare. big in nineteen ninety one, colour me badd and all for love. three and a half minutes left of your lunch hour, quick get back to work. -it's jenny the 's hits, andy 's slot one till five till friday afternoon on trent f m. +it's jenny the 's hits, andy 's slot one till five till friday afternoon on trent f m. and i suppose being predictable about it all, i better play this for you if you're on your way to an aerobics keep fit class some time this afternoon, or this evening. here are the pointer sisters just for you. the opportunity to help investment and to help employment directly, then they should be prepared to cut erm interest rates, as our european partners have been doing. lady thatcher's marked the day of her rebellion against the government by unveiling a plaque to the suffragettes at the commons. she plans to defy the party whip for the first time in her political career. -des reports. +des reports. there was a heavy irony in lady thatcher's fulsome tribute to the women who had campaigned for the vote. without the work they did, i could never have been prime minister, others could never have been cabinet ministers, nor would we have as many women members of parliament as we have today. but she wouldn't explain why she's using her vote against the government in tonight's debate on a referendum on the maastricht treaty. -pupils at a nottingham school have turned video +pupils at a nottingham school have turned video police believe the handbrake on the van failed. -the driver ran after the vehicle as it gathered speed, tried to warn people on street to get out of the way. +the driver ran after the vehicle as it gathered speed, tried to warn people on street to get out of the way. no one was injured in the accident. the weather, the rest of today is likely to remain rather cloudy with a chance of more rain at any time. most of this evening and overnight will be dry. it'll turn quite misty with just light winds. meanwhile today's top temperature reaching around nineteen degrees celsius that's sixty six degrees fahrenheit. -in the middle of your week, this is wednesday's afternoon show, one till five, it's jenny on trent f m. +in the middle of your week, this is wednesday's afternoon show, one till five, it's jenny on trent f m. seven minutes past two playing jonathan butler and his lies from nineteen eighteen seven. -so welcome to hour two, the afternoon version of the 's own with those hunky young things world's apart. +so welcome to hour two, the afternoon version of the 's own with those hunky young things world's apart. for saying hunky young things. -i'm sorry i know andy wouldn't normally say things like that. +i'm sorry i know andy wouldn't normally say things like that. but remember i am not andy . alright then nice young things. nicish young things they are. @@ -54361,16 +54316,16 @@ six on trent f m on a wednesday afternoon, your mid week magic. a couple of calls and er one dedication to do now, for another person who's claimed their afternoon show pack full of goodies including programme schedules, photos of the d js. oh maybe signed as well. road show schedules and lots more and granddad goodies as well if you phone up this show for any reason at all, as long as it's a nice reason. -er gotta say, hello and a happy third wedding anniversary to john and hazel in . +er gotta say, hello and a happy third wedding anniversary to john and hazel in . so john and hazel , hello happy wedding anniversary for three years in . lots of love and best wishes. from jill, eric, catherine, andrew and rose who made the call for you. -for your new +for your new sybil the brand new one there, beyond your wildest dream. half past two on a wednesday afternoon on trent f m as we join rachel at the careline. -carol is a member of which is a group that help people with leukaemia and other blood disorders, like hodgkin's disease. +carol is a member of which is a group that help people with leukaemia and other blood disorders, like hodgkin's disease. and it's usually help with the disease that her members want. -not with things like the shopping. +not with things like the shopping. mainly it's straight on with the illness. they don't really talk about what's happened in the past, all they're bothered about is what's happening to them at present. we don't give out medical advice, cos we're not qualified for that, but we do sit and listen to them and they talk about different things and what they've got to go through. @@ -54403,14 +54358,14 @@ inflationary pressures in the british economy are now under extremely good contr we saw on monday, factory gate prices going up less than people expected, today, prices in the shops going up less than people expected. that's good news in itself, but it's also good in that it provides a bedrock on which we can build sustainable recovery of output and and job creation. home secretary michael howard is asking his officials to closely examine the case of a teenage vandal who walked free from court despite admitting he killed a vigilante. -the jury found joseph stabbed bob in self defence. -he'd been slashing car tyres when approached him with a hammer. -ten special telephone lines installed to deal with enquiries about the nottingham based trust have been jammed since they were switched on this morning. +the jury found joseph stabbed bob in self defence. +he'd been slashing car tyres when approached him with a hammer. +ten special telephone lines installed to deal with enquiries about the nottingham based trust have been jammed since they were switched on this morning. a television documentary screened tomorrow will show how thousands of children were shipped abroad during the nineteen fifties and sixties. the weather, the rest of today is likely to remain rather cloudy with a chance of more rain at any time. one with a tent as well for added independence. -lulu and her from earlier on this year independence . -seven past three welcome to hour three of your 's own. +lulu and her from earlier on this year independence . +seven past three welcome to hour three of your 's own. it's jenny for andy in the afternoon's pass it on, and stay right where you are until five o'clock. on trent f m as we play let 'em in. eleven minutes past three o'clock, best time of the afternoon of course, jenny's afternoon tea. @@ -54422,12 +54377,12 @@ scratch and sniff your radio as we speak, and to drink we've got some apricot he and we're going apricot mad for a wednesday, we are, midweek indeed. so jenny's afternoon tea, if you hang on in there, i will kindly donate a slice of my apricot cheesecake. but you know what they're like they're a bit sloppy to cut. -so what makes +so what makes we have harold pugh harold pugh . harold what's your problem? i've done a terrible thing and i'm being chased right now vic well more or less like you know . yeah. -there's some fellas after me right who want me blood serious you know they don't let 'em catch me vic please . +there's some fellas after me right who want me blood serious you know they don't let 'em catch me vic please . harold harold calm yourself down. harold don't let 'em catch me. @@ -54441,7 +54396,7 @@ oh. harold you're in a terrible mess and well i wasn't thinking straight there . i know you obviously weren't harold. -harold there's nothing i can do for you, but a cadbury's boost +harold there's nothing i can do for you, but a cadbury's boost slowing things down on a busy wednesday afternoon on trent f m. oh lovely aztec camera, how men are. prince, strollin' and the ramones from nineteen eighty. @@ -54478,14 +54433,14 @@ midweek magic with jenny till five. afternoons from one. and now repeating the clues to wednesday's mystery movie. love. -dedications hello to sue and alan of , who are busy working apparently, from kelly. +dedications hello to sue and alan of , who are busy working apparently, from kelly. so from kelly to you two, busy working hopefully you haven't slipped off now. -sue and alan of , hello and good afternoon from trent f m. -the 's own continues till five o'clock then tim the drive at five till nine. +sue and alan of , hello and good afternoon from trent f m. +the 's own continues till five o'clock then tim the drive at five till nine. nine till one, on the late show all this week for me mister adrian . including the love affair at twelve, and one till six a m early thursday morning, it's marky mark . -four minutes left of this afternoon's 's own. -babysitting for andy till friday it's jenny on trent f m playing johnny hates jazz. +four minutes left of this afternoon's 's own. +babysitting for andy till friday it's jenny on trent f m playing johnny hates jazz. okay then let's compare notes, let's get this out of the way. did you get the answer right, thinking about it in your place of work or at home? wednesday's mystery movie. @@ -54501,14 +54456,14 @@ another man, a social worker, got caught up in the melee and was forced out of a a former sheriff of debate on a proposal to have a referendum on the maastricht treaty. lady thatcher will be leading a campaign for the referendum and voting against the tories for the first time ever. -special telephone lines installed to deal with enquiries about the nottingham based trust, have been jammed since they were switched on this morning. +special telephone lines installed to deal with enquiries about the nottingham based trust, have been jammed since they were switched on this morning. a television documentary to be screened tomorrow will show how thousands of children were shipped abroad during the fifties and sixties. -the ten phone lines have been swamped since they were opened, and social services chairman joan says more calls will follow. +the ten phone lines have been swamped since they were opened, and social services chairman joan says more calls will follow. i anticipate there will be outcry when people see the drama. and there's gonna be many many many thousands of worried parents whose children were put up for adoption, whose children vanished, brothers and sisters who said, i thought i had a brother. who will be wanting to know more. -national heritage secretary peter is being blamed for dropping a bye election clanger after suggesting the tories are resigning to losing christchurch. -mister says if they're defeated at the polls, it would hasten a general election which labour could win. +national heritage secretary peter is being blamed for dropping a bye election clanger after suggesting the tories are resigning to losing christchurch. +mister says if they're defeated at the polls, it would hasten a general election which labour could win. the weather, the rest of today is likely to remain rather cloudy with a chance of more rain at any time. most of this evening and overnight will be dry. it'll turn quite misty with just light winds. @@ -54516,7 +54471,7 @@ the outlook for tomorrow, dry at first but a strong chance of rain later. meanwhile today's top temperature, nineteen degrees celsius, sixty six fahrenheit. singing we are happy, on wednesday fourteenth of july, nineteen ninety three, on trent f m and skipping down the yellow brick road of life with deanna carol and her special kind of love. seven minutes past four. -hour four of today's 's own. +hour four of today's 's own. jenny for andy until five o'clock. on my street at the moment. in about two or three weeks they're gonna be digging up every inch of pavement and every inch they can get their hands on. @@ -54524,23 +54479,22 @@ oh dear me. so if i'm late for work one day, you'll know why, i've probably fallen down a hole somewhere. trent f m playing new order, ruined in a day, on this wednesday afternoon the fourteenth of july, eleven minutes past four o'clock. contraflow on the m one between junctions thirty four and thirty five in south yorkshire. -in nottingham on the a one, a contraflow near has lane closures on the bypass. -in derbyshire, the a fifty two in has a temporary thirty miles per hour speed limit, and temporary traffic lights in operation. +in nottingham on the a one, a contraflow near has lane closures on the bypass. +in derbyshire, the a fifty two in has a temporary thirty miles per hour speed limit, and temporary traffic lights in operation. driving you home or driving to wherever you want to go to in style on trent f m, more updates later. -trent f m traffic and travel with of not -tim with the early evening sequence of course, with more news of how you can win fish and chips. -nine o'clock on the late show babysitting for me all this week, adrian and then one o'clock till six o'clock during the early hours of thursday the fifteenth of july, to keep you company, it's mark . +trent f m traffic and travel with of not +tim with the early evening sequence of course, with more news of how you can win fish and chips. +nine o'clock on the late show babysitting for me all this week, adrian and then one o'clock till six o'clock during the early hours of thursday the fifteenth of july, to keep you company, it's mark . video hire chart, update you on the new releases, and give you the chance to win one of the top ten films. so listen this friday afternoon and you'll hear the latest video news. with video magic, where even the best films are just one pound for two nights. five hey. thirty six minutes to go. yippee. - excellent. right. presents. -erm presents. +erm presents. present one is for derek. erm whee! @@ -54552,7 +54506,7 @@ no, but i know how many miles i know how many miles it is to leeds and back . right. that's not a problem. well please make something up and fill it in. -erm and er i'll take that away +erm and er i'll take that away okay. with me today. okay, i shall fill @@ -54567,7 +54521,7 @@ right. won't be paying you until i've got some money, well, i'm afraid. -leeds is well it's actually not leeds it's garforth and then it's leeds and it's back . +leeds is well it's actually not leeds it's garforth and then it's leeds and it's back . . erm i don't know. @@ -54575,16 +54529,16 @@ that's twenty five. fifty. call it fifty miles. whatever. -write down some appropriate mileages and that's super. -erm my next prezzie is sort of more of the same actually. +write down some appropriate mileages and that's super. +erm my next prezzie is sort of more of the same actually. i've got some expenses claim forms cos i thought it would be a good idea to be able to claim expenses, yep. on a form . you know. well, whatever. -erm we nearly knocked over simon on our way here. -i was driving along t you know t telling david that all the time that that people are on the roads practising how to drive and becoming better drivers there are people like that wally there crossing the roa oh, it's simon . +erm we nearly knocked over simon on our way here. +i was driving along t you know t telling david that all the time that that people are on the roads practising how to drive and becoming better drivers there are people like that wally there crossing the roa oh, it's simon . . oops. excellent. @@ -54593,14 +54547,14 @@ i should have just put my foot down and knocked him over. . it'd've served him right for being such a spaced-out hippy. yes. -but erm there you go. +but erm there you go. do you want to grab a couple of those okay. -and then then those are for the derek and clare symbiote. +and then then those are for the derek and clare symbiote. right. erm thank you. -erm new version of the spoken cor corpus consent form that has a little space for tape numbers. +erm new version of the spoken cor corpus consent form that has a little space for tape numbers. it's not desperately important but what's a reasonable amount to claim per mile by the way? christ knows. @@ -54620,7 +54574,7 @@ three bands. there must be. makes sense. okay. -so actually could you make a note on there somewhere, erm sort of underneath the at per mile or something that's it's er . +so actually could you make a note on there somewhere, erm sort of underneath the at per mile or something that's it's er . it's very exciting, i can fill one of these in. excellent. whee! @@ -54638,25 +54592,25 @@ brilliant. . clapped out v w jetta. i don't think they care how clapped out it is actually. -erm david, have some of those. +erm david, have some of those. it's not clapped out. it's lovely. -it's done one thousand miles . -you guys can have those. +it's done one thousand miles . +you guys can have those. thank you . right. thank you . ooh excellent. some real paper. -erm and then we can have one of these each. +erm and then we can have one of these each. ooh. -which are erm this is actually me being bored this afternoon. +which are erm this is actually me being bored this afternoon. . it might be an idea to just make a note of jeez. what the counties are that we're covering, yeah. -and about how many words we want from each one. +and about how many words we want from each one. it basically winds down to about ninety thousand words from each county. . erm @@ -54664,7 +54618,7 @@ mm. but i haven't, because they haven't, broken down scotland, northern ireland and wales into separate counties. yeah. mhm. -erm if you add all that up it comes to about three million words. +erm if you add all that up it comes to about three million words. great. three million? yeah. @@ -54678,8 +54632,8 @@ mm. to assume. erm right. -don't want to be sort of too enthusiastic about the number of words, just in case it turns out that they can't . -oh erm not tyneside or northumberland except for businesses ? +don't want to be sort of too enthusiastic about the number of words, just in case it turns out that they can't . +oh erm not tyneside or northumberland except for businesses ? yeah. ah. right. @@ -54689,7 +54643,7 @@ has collected in those areas fairly extensively. right. er what you had down and is going to carry on collecting in those areas . -what you had down on the previous one was er schools and businesse schools, businesses and something else, i think, that she'd collected +what you had down on the previous one was er schools and businesse schools, businesses and something else, i think, that she'd collected no. from. she she's collected @@ -54699,7 +54653,7 @@ right. erm i mean sh she ended up her description of mm. what she'd collected by saying that she hasn't really gone to any -it's just that +it's just that businesses, so er . @@ -54707,14 +54661,14 @@ i was thinking of asking monica if she could record something from the the model yeah. their club meetings. oh that'd be okay i think. -is that monica? +is that monica? yes. erm she's alread already asked her dad but right. -but they don't have meetings. +but they don't have meetings. they they meetings take . -place during the evening er as very sort of at the +place during the evening er as very sort of at the right. okay. it wouldn't work. @@ -54724,8 +54678,8 @@ missed the a g m. okay. it was earlier this year. fair enough.. -erm anyway i mean that's just a guideline really. -erm i'm going to or i've i've started every time a recording comes in making a note of where it's from and what type of recording it is, +erm anyway i mean that's just a guideline really. +erm i'm going to or i've i've started every time a recording comes in making a note of where it's from and what type of recording it is, yeah. and once i've got okay. @@ -54735,7 +54689,7 @@ we are. erm which is good. mm. erm -then we can start with the rest of yorkshire . +then we can start with the rest of yorkshire . i l i gave eddie a load of the bumph excellent. and told him to go away with it and think about what he could do, and er mentioned money to him, and he liked the idea. @@ -54753,9 +54707,9 @@ so er eddie has a vested interest in getting some money from somewhere. yes. erm candidate. -the map that's in the back of what they gave us looks as though it might blown up . +the map that's in the back of what they gave us looks as though it might blown up . i've given up on that idea actually. -erm i think writing it down's probably just as reasonable . +erm i think writing it down's probably just as reasonable . oh no. i mean it doesn't actually oh! @@ -54779,11 +54733,11 @@ this is a company bic!. it's true! well we'd return it to the company then wouldn't we? mm. -it just might be a bit short of ink when we do . +it just might be a bit short of ink when we do . yes. . well the ink belongs to the company too. -well we'll use it on company business . +well we'll use it on company business . . erm where were we? i've completely lost track now, and it's all @@ -54798,18 +54752,18 @@ i mean it it's which is very helpful it it goes further south than i thought it did. yeah. -erm the the +erm the the er cos i i wouldn't have in i when i was making the the analysis i w wasn't including hereford and worcester and i wasn't mm. including warwickshire. -well what they've done basically is they've drawn erm this list contains all the counties bar erm the sort of tyneside area +well what they've done basically is they've drawn erm this list contains all the counties bar erm the sort of tyneside area mm. in their supra-regions erm north right. and midland. mm. yeah. -and the midland actually goes down to sort of the top of erm cambridgeshire, +and the midland actually goes down to sort of the top of erm cambridgeshire, oh right. and then slightly south right. @@ -54820,7 +54774,7 @@ down to the south the south tip of wales pretty much. i mean it's two thirds of the country. yeah. hereford. -it's not two thirds of the population but it's two thirds of the . +it's not two thirds of the population but it's two thirds of the . richard . richard's in hereford. yes. @@ -54836,7 +54790,7 @@ is the captain still there, or is he somewhere else? . the captain is in coventry. right. -er +er i have to ask,now that you've said that . it's a i it's a game design project. @@ -54862,11 +54816,11 @@ yeah. . in whatever way they felt appropriate. yes. -and i'm not going to expand on that cos the tape's running . +and i'm not going to expand on that cos the tape's running . . good good. good good. -actually erm erm just to butt in t here . +actually erm erm just to butt in t here . . who was it? aaron i think was saying yesterday that it would be a good idea to get at least one tape of some erm stoned people. @@ -54888,7 +54842,7 @@ what? a tape of somebody under the affluence. that's the one, yes.. . -after having hear his discourse on the wonders of interchangeable brain chips and the lunar landscape just above the ceiling border in thirty road, i think he would probably be quite a good candidate. +after having hear his discourse on the wonders of interchangeable brain chips and the lunar landscape just above the ceiling border in thirty road, i think he would probably be quite a good candidate. . you'll ask him then? . @@ -54900,7 +54854,7 @@ i had other people in mind as well actually. but er well i i mean i was thinking you know er it's probably a good idea for for erm well i've heard it proposed by people who do these things . -that it's a good idea for when people are intending to get stoned in a heavy way to have a baby-sitter, so there's no reason why the baby- sitter couldn't sit there with a tape recorder . +that it's a good idea for when people are intending to get stoned in a heavy way to have a baby-sitter, so there's no reason why the baby- sitter couldn't sit there with a tape recorder . . it's true. yes. @@ -54915,7 +54869,7 @@ yeah, i think they'd probably have to listen ah. yes it's a point. to what they've said because -point, they can't be under the affluence when they sign the consent form or . +point, they can't be under the affluence when they sign the consent form or . mm. . yeah. @@ -54925,13 +54879,13 @@ no, no, no, you are not captain james t kirk of the starship enterprise.. does he do that too? i don't think he does but i can think of people who would. . -erm well, i mean that that would be be erm +erm well, i mean that that would be be erm yeah. the other thing my father said when i was interesting for want of a -speaking to him was that erm the place he where he's recording in scotland erm tends to have an unusual vocabulary. +speaking to him was that erm the place he where he's recording in scotland erm tends to have an unusual vocabulary. yeah. -occasionally swear words are interspersed with functional words like it's and mine but i it tends to be very heavily orientated towards the the less nice side of the language up there. +occasionally swear words are interspersed with functional words like it's and mine but i it tends to be very heavily orientated towards the the less nice side of the language up there. that's alright. so i said to him it was fine, yeah. @@ -54944,9 +54898,9 @@ mm. erm as long as we don't mind transcribing them, and i for one don't. no. i mean i have met people who really objected strongly to transcribing swearing. -erm +erm it wouldn't worry me. -but i don't +but i don't . well, yeah. well we're all young enough not to be bothered by it. @@ -54959,15 +54913,15 @@ mores or whatever, that that would object to it. and since i swear like a navvy anyway, . it would be hypocritical to object really. -. erm erm erm erm. +. erm erm erm erm. well i've sort of got a note to say who did what this week, so i could tell you what i've done this week and then you could tell me what you've done this week. that would be good . then everybody will know. yeah. -erm i've got lots of people collecting tapes on my behalf. +erm i've got lots of people collecting tapes on my behalf. the the careers service came up with two tapes which was nice. mike came up with a tape, which was nice. -erm he claims the battery ran out before he got to his presentation on the course but i don't necessarily believe him. +erm he claims the battery ran out before he got to his presentation on the course but i don't necessarily believe him. the battery was flat but i don't think it was a tape and half flat. i think it was . @@ -54979,21 +54933,21 @@ my dad in nottinghamshire has nottinghamshire fairly sewn up. which is nice . that's good. that's great. -erm he's wandering around collecting +erm he's wandering around collecting . quite happily and enjoying himself thoroughly and not going to school, which i think are are three excellent things. -erm and my father-in-common-law in liverpool is also running around frantically recording, but he's getting a limited variety of recordings, mainly educational. +erm and my father-in-common-law in liverpool is also running around frantically recording, but he's getting a limited variety of recordings, mainly educational. erm have you made contact with your human in liverpool? i haven't. i'm hoping he will ring me this afternoon. -i this evening. +i this evening. i've left another phone message for him, right. so it's very much a case whether he actually gets in contact with me. good oh. right. erm -according to the last reference i looked up, erm merseyside erm is about as big this is an old reference, +according to the last reference i looked up, erm merseyside erm is about as big this is an old reference, mm. but erm a tenth of that no sorry, three tenths of that is on the wirral. mm. @@ -55018,41 +54972,41 @@ then you can claim right. okay. for it. -but i i've got to in fact i'll make myself a note here and now, i've got to talk to and i'll get them to send some more tapes. +but i i've got to in fact i'll make myself a note here and now, i've got to talk to and i'll get them to send some more tapes. right. we can never have too many. no. ho ho. -erm +erm well we could, but if we get too many we can go into business selling them or something. . well i think we have to give them back actually. they've got british national corpus written on them. . yeah. -we should probably give them back when we've finished with them . +we should probably give them back when we've finished with them . if you do end up with er an extra box of ten or something erm could you label them up for me? yeah. no problem. it's no problem. -erm -and start the sequence as well. +erm +and start the sequence as well. . i decided it was a good idea to write things down rather than depending on the tape because erm i'm not actually going to get round to transcribing the tape quickly enough to use it as minutes. . mm. -erm yes well i've got lots of people recording everywhere which is nice. +erm yes well i've got lots of people recording everywhere which is nice. fine. great. -erm david, i wrote to margaret at the employment training unit, +erm david, i wrote to margaret at the employment training unit, right. so i hope to hear from her this week. okay. still nothing from the conference office. . but i'm not gonna worry about that until halfway through the week and then i'll write to them. -do you have an address for them ? -er it'll be er university of york conference office, er heslington hall, +do you have an address for them ? +er it'll be er university of york conference office, er heslington hall, right. . y york, heslington, york, @@ -55076,22 +55030,22 @@ i went in and spoke to one of the secretaries who said she would er she would do right. okey-doke. erm -there wasn't a contact, no. +there wasn't a contact, no. okay. -erm . +erm . this week, in fact tomorrow, i'm going to splash out an unbelievable amount of money and buy a transcription machine. this transcription machine is going to be lent to be derek and clare, who can argue about who has it where and when. -erm it'll come with a set of headphones and a little doohickey for er +erm it'll come with a set of headphones and a little doohickey for er mhm. turning the output into mono because at the moment it's stereo and it'll only come through one earhole. -erm cos most of the +erm cos most of the . oh! actually most these tapes are recorded in stereo aren't they? yes. yes. that's okay then. -erm i most of the tapes that i've had in the past have been recorded mono, erm and i've needed a little doohickey to turn the erm output into mono as well cos it's awfully off-putting spending seven and a half hours with the stuff coming in through one ear only. +erm i most of the tapes that i've had in the past have been recorded mono, erm and i've needed a little doohickey to turn the erm output into mono as well cos it's awfully off-putting spending seven and a half hours with the stuff coming in through one ear only. . sensory deprivation. doohickey being the technical term for this is it? @@ -55112,7 +55066,7 @@ i'm not i'm not erm i don't know. i think it's no, i wouldn't agree with that. it's b r e y. -but certainly erm or no . +but certainly erm or no . doohickey is d double o is it? yes. d double o h i c @@ -55122,10 +55076,10 @@ okay. i've come across that one before . . you sure it wasn't me that wrote it? -i'll tell you what,sin since i'll be going along to boston spa we'll check in the dictionary . +i'll tell you what,sin since i'll be going along to boston spa we'll check in the dictionary . . they've got in on the shelves there. -i think we need soundproofing for these meetings . +i think we need soundproofing for these meetings . . at some point it'll be at the university. the oxford english . @@ -55134,8 +55088,8 @@ erm well they haven't got it networked yet but they have the c d rom players the yeah. but they ha i i i i went . -up and talked to the guy sitting in front of them and he said yes we've got it but we haven't got it on those yet. -so they have the c d rom, they just haven't managed to yet. +up and talked to the guy sitting in front of them and he said yes we've got it but we haven't got it on those yet. +so they have the c d rom, they just haven't managed to yet. or something.. right. do i take that to mean there's gonna be a online dictionary? @@ -55149,7 +55103,7 @@ no. no. you've got to go . -into the library and go up and sit at the c d rom terminal . +into the library and go up and sit at the c d rom terminal . right. . i don't think you need a password for it. @@ -55184,8 +55138,8 @@ mm. okay. fine. that's excellent. -erm i'll also be buying erm your keyboard, some tapes and a couple of ribbons. -er keyboard five +erm i'll also be buying erm your keyboard, some tapes and a couple of ribbons. +er keyboard five not tapes. tapes. disks. @@ -55209,7 +55163,7 @@ should be. should be. and i'll check about discounts. right. -and possibly buy some stuff myself if that's what necessary to get it over a discount price. +and possibly buy some stuff myself if that's what necessary to get it over a discount price. i also need some disks. i've done various things on my computer today and i can successfully make ascii files. good. @@ -55217,7 +55171,7 @@ reas reasonable sized ascii files. good. so i reckon i could d do an entire transcription on locoscript,t right. -convert the whole thing into an ascii and just pass you the disk . +convert the whole thing into an ascii and just pass you the disk . yeah. if you find yourself with a file that's big enough to manipulate but too big to turn into an ascii file, cos it does use a lot of yeah. @@ -55245,7 +55199,7 @@ yeah. erm yeah. whatever's easiest for you right. -erm is probably also going to be easier for me. +erm is probably also going to be easier for me. erm we've done mileage and expenses claim forms and given you the bits and pieces. mhm. david doesn't need any packaging any more so i don't have to remind myself to @@ -55264,9 +55218,9 @@ i like it. i can yes. need somebody to talk to the d t i, since this was a d t i funded project, why don't we get them to let us record i a meeting or two. . -erm parish council. +erm parish council. the what's on page in the local paper. -public talks and things. +public talks and things. aha. and the clerk of the court in york and in other towns. those are the things that occurred to me. @@ -55281,17 +55235,17 @@ anyway and everybody just takes one look at it and after everybody in the house yes. so i'll grab the next one and go along and contact them. right. -yes, we get er an osbaldwick one. +yes, we get er an osbaldwick one. erm right. right. things everybody else has done i suppose. -erm you know just about everything that i've done. +erm you know just about everything that i've done. i've erm yes. hassled the conference office monday. -er ran into tony who's going to talk to his church people about religious meetings there. -er did the seminar. +er ran into tony who's going to talk to his church people about religious meetings there. +er did the seminar. eventually. . eventually. @@ -55305,21 +55259,21 @@ one. you sent the recorder off to your father as well. sent the r yes, sent the recorder off up to great. -scotland, and as i say er said before they got er some taped seminars taped sermons which they can send down. +scotland, and as i say er said before they got er some taped seminars taped sermons which they can send down. right. -erm that's the most obvious things. +erm that's the most obvious things. something that occurred to me this week. -erm apparently one of the services that gets offered at thompson travel agents +erm apparently one of the services that gets offered at thompson travel agents mm. is that er you can go in and you can sit and you can talk to them about what you want for a holiday yeah. and they'll talk back to you about what your best options are and and do a s a sort of interview. yes. -so rather than sit at the counter and do it they they have rooms which you can go to and erm get interviewed +so rather than sit at the counter and do it they they have rooms which you can go to and erm get interviewed mm. and talk about all their holiday options and how to tailor a holiday for them. mm. -erm it might be worth contacting them as being a professional consultation. +erm it might be worth contacting them as being a professional consultation. right. do it. . @@ -55327,14 +55281,14 @@ right. okay. or somebody do it. it's just erm i'm -i w i was just wondering if you wanted to write them a letter first -okay, clare can write a letter . -i'll i'll be +i w i was just wondering if you wanted to write them a letter first +okay, clare can write a letter . +i'll i'll be . if if you've got yeah. the time. -have you the time erm to write letters ? +have you the time erm to write letters ? i do have the time. if you can bring me a er i don't know a disk with your i'll bring you all the disk with all the formats and whatever on it . @@ -55351,14 +55305,14 @@ okay. yeah. erm what i'll do actually seeing as i'm i get easy access to the town centre is i will go in there and see if they will agree to it, and if they won't right. -i will say well can i send you some information a letter and that sort of thing ? +i will say well can i send you some information a letter and that sort of thing ? yeah. i'll do it that way round . yeah. okay. okay.. right. -have you got erm paper? +have you got erm paper? or i'd better provide you with some paper. if you could provide me with some paper . all all the bits and pieces. @@ -55376,12 +55330,12 @@ i'm lost actually. don't bother. it's . erm -i was in bed until what i thought was midday today and turned out to be one o'clock . +i was in bed until what i thought was midday today and turned out to be one o'clock . and it was one o'clock.. and i haven't really recovered from the shock. -erm this week i've got a positive answer from b r about +erm this week i've got a positive answer from b r about yes. -recording there and that's good . +recording there and that's good . very excited about it. yes. it's brilliant. @@ -55392,7 +55346,7 @@ mm. and then it's just a case of providing them with tapes and tape recorders and they will wander off an and do the tapes for us. excellent. so that's good news. -erm my father received the recorder and tapes and is enthusiastic about getting recordings for us, and that's all set up for whilst he's in scotland next week . +erm my father received the recorder and tapes and is enthusiastic about getting recordings for us, and that's all set up for whilst he's in scotland next week . how long's that going to be? erm he's in scotland for about the next month, but i've asked him to do the recordings in the next week. right. @@ -55408,9 +55362,9 @@ okey-doke. super. erm did i say this last week? i may have done, i may not have done. -when you send them send them parcel class but insure them for the top amount, +when you send them send them parcel class but insure them for the top amount, right. -which er it costs one pound something for the insurance. +which er it costs one pound something for the insurance. erm it's about three quid to send them parcel post. yeah. that that seems to be the most reasonable way of doing it, rather than sending it registered, @@ -55421,7 +55375,7 @@ yeah. . er it does seem crazy to send them all round the country without insuring them. yeah. -so i'll see to that. +so i'll see to that. ah. it is one of us. hello. @@ -55430,7 +55384,7 @@ excuse me. yes. okay. a popular guy. -cos i'm hoping cos i've got a in manchester get me some recordings from the public library. +cos i'm hoping cos i've got a in manchester get me some recordings from the public library. right. their meetings hopefully , mm. @@ -55445,10 +55399,10 @@ right. erm that was my achievements for the week. well i think that's the the b r thing certainly is a big achievement. -erm right. -derek and i went to the guildhall. +erm right. +derek and i went to the guildhall. yes. -erm and derek was mildly successful erm and got a vague sort of agreement from the deputy returning officer +erm and derek was mildly successful erm and got a vague sort of agreement from the deputy returning officer right. about erm information about the upcoming candidates for the council elections. mm. @@ -55460,11 +55414,11 @@ so erm i didn't find out anything about the weddings. right. . . -erm so erm i'm going to ask my mother where one gets a marriage license . +erm so erm i'm going to ask my mother where one gets a marriage license . . don't do that david, she'll go white overnight. -i will start from scratch on them. +i will start from scratch on them. don't you just don't you go the registry office? i really don't know. i think there's just a registry office isn't there ? @@ -55473,9 +55427,9 @@ i've never done it so i don't no. know. and i don't intend to either. -erm yeah, i imagine if you just look under registry office in the phone +erm yeah, i imagine if you just look under registry office in the phone mm. -book there'll be something. +book there'll be something. yes. mm. the thing i did fail @@ -55483,7 +55437,7 @@ the thing i did fail to do this week was i did actually see my landlord and meant to ask him about recording some tutorials mm. for us. -but unfortunately i did remember afterwards, having erm berated myself for this that he is actually based in london at the +but unfortunately i did remember afterwards, having erm berated myself for this that he is actually based in london at the ah. moment and so is out of our catchment area. right. @@ -55498,12 +55452,12 @@ yes. the york area? yeah. that's good. -sue's erm current school sue 's current school have made positive-but-need-to-be-paid-for-it noises, so i'm going to telephone their headmaster. +sue's erm current school sue 's current school have made positive-but-need-to-be-paid-for-it noises, so i'm going to telephone their headmaster. that's the first . time we've come back with a need-to-be-paid isn't it? good heavens. -erm actually it's not. +erm actually it's not. the careers service wanted erm to be paid as well. they the careers services actually asked me who if anyone was going to make money out of it, and i said well yes, me. mm. @@ -55514,29 +55468,29 @@ so i just gave them the statutory amount per tape right. erm and they put it in their christmas fund or something. excellent. -erm but i i wasn't actually that surprised that the school er at a school asking to be paid for the tapes because erm they've got to get their money from somewhere +erm but i i wasn't actually that surprised that the school er at a school asking to be paid for the tapes because erm they've got to get their money from somewhere that's right. and they ain't getting it off the government at the moment .. they they deserve it to a certain extent. yeah. yeah. -erm so i've got to telephone him tomorrow and sort sort of make happy and erm forthright noises about money. +erm so i've got to telephone him tomorrow and sort sort of make happy and erm forthright noises about money. right. erm and he may then let sue record a couple of lessons. erm right. i'm ge starting to get a bit upset about not getting letters back from people. -i know i shouldn't really cos i shouldn't expect them to come back at all, but it annoys me when +i know i shouldn't really cos i shouldn't expect them to come back at all, but it annoys me when . you know three weeks ago i wrote to scarborough college and the buggers haven't written back, even to acknowledge my letter.. it's a it's a bit downheartening. -it's not nice. +it's not nice. . the one thing i wanted to erm bring up in this meeting, yeah. which you you've obviously had a mind to because you've done the breakdown about the various other regions, mm. -is what we're going to do about start collecting in other regions, because we're getting to the stage where we've almost got north yorkshire +is what we're going to do about start collecting in other regions, because we're getting to the stage where we've almost got north yorkshire yeah. wrapped up . i've been hoping to leave it erm and see what happens. @@ -55544,7 +55498,7 @@ and what seems to be happening is that we're gradually remembering people we kno yes. starting with them as a basis. yeah. -erm probably the most fair way to do this erm i mean fair to our friends and relatives in other r parts of the country, is to ask them if they could either send us their local papers or +erm probably the most fair way to do this erm i mean fair to our friends and relatives in other r parts of the country, is to ask them if they could either send us their local papers or mm. a copy of their local phone book. for which i'll pay. @@ -55552,13 +55506,13 @@ right. erm because those i mean the l a local yellow pages or a local thompsons actually, those are nice and narrow , thompsons are better. yeah. -erm and have postcodes in erm are very good ways of getting in touch with local organizations. +erm and have postcodes in erm are very good ways of getting in touch with local organizations. yeah. erm yeah. -i mean i mean i've written a letter to my cousins in south wales asking them if they can point me at any places that might record, but i'll actually make the contacts . +i mean i mean i've written a letter to my cousins in south wales asking them if they can point me at any places that might record, but i'll actually make the contacts . you've you've done south wales have you? -well i haven't i wouldn't say i've done it, i've just asked them to make +well i haven't i wouldn't say i've done it, i've just asked them to make you've made a contact in south wales. asked them to make a contact. i mean but by all means @@ -55568,21 +55522,21 @@ yep. i can do. i don't think we have a problem we're not gonna not gonna have a problem with places getting asked twice. mm. -erm i don't +erm i don't right. think that's going to be a problem at all. i will try and get something like that brought up from north wales right. -at the beginning of next term because i know somebody in north wales at the moment . +at the beginning of next term because i know somebody in north wales at the moment . right. i've i've written to a friend in in anglesey mm. -as well erm but i mean if those come to anything at all they'll only come t gonna come to something fairly local aren't they. +as well erm but i mean if those come to anything at all they'll only come t gonna come to something fairly local aren't they. yeah. on anglesey and in pembroke. right. pembrokeshire. -so you know wales is a big cou big well it's not a big country at all but it's big compared to a county, so +so you know wales is a big cou big well it's not a big country at all but it's big compared to a county, so yeah. that was a positive response by the way from scotland good. @@ -55595,24 +55549,24 @@ schools and they'll they probably won't manage anything in the next week because yeah. the end of the week, yeah. -but they will be quite happy to make recordings er and so that's three different schools in the west of scotland. +but they will be quite happy to make recordings er and so that's three different schools in the west of scotland. excellent. when's the first consignment of scottish tapes? -erm don't know. +erm don't know. don't know when they're coming. but right. -anyway, erm there will be tapes on the way and they're consulting with other people too,so. +anyway, erm there will be tapes on the way and they're consulting with other people too,so. right. -when actually i should probably mention this. -when tapes come into me i have a listen to the beginning and end of them all to sort of see what sort of quality they are +when actually i should probably mention this. +when tapes come into me i have a listen to the beginning and end of them all to sort of see what sort of quality they are right. -erm and also to try and work out which speakers are which +erm and also to try and work out which speakers are which . so that i can check that against the form and get the form right. back to people if i have a problem with it. -erm where i find i can't understand the regional accent i'm going to give them back to the person who recorded them +erm where i find i can't understand the regional accent i'm going to give them back to the person who recorded them . and say here, you transcribe this. . @@ -55624,17 +55578,17 @@ no problem. i can do that . erm it's only four hundred thousand words. -the younger the people get, i find that not wanting to be erm whatever, regionalist or anything like that, +the younger the people get, i find that not wanting to be erm whatever, regionalist or anything like that, but i find that or ageist, but the younger people get the more problem i have with their accents. yes. -erm and the further west in scotland and the younger they get the more problem i have with their accents . +erm and the further west in scotland and the younger they get the more problem i have with their accents . . right. i don't know why this should be. okay. erm but it's true. i mean one of getting round that is erm for derek and i to transcribe them because then it's fairly easy for me to turn round and say listen to this. -what did he say ?. +what did he say ?. yes. yes. so that'll be @@ -55644,10 +55598,10 @@ right. erm i mean that sounds seems quite reasonable to me. erm it also means that in the case of tapes that have come from your parents you're more likely to know one or two of the speakers and therefore have a less difficult time sorting out which one of these twelve actually -speakers is this +speakers is this i person on the list . -i i can think of a i can think of a few th of them who are going to be completely incomprehensible to you . +i i can think of a i can think of a few th of them who are going to be completely incomprehensible to you . good. you can have all of those. . @@ -55655,7 +55609,7 @@ and welcome. we don't mind at all.. . erm yeah. -i mean er i'll i'll still need them to come to me for er entering +i mean er i'll i'll still need them to come to me for er entering yeah. into the books and everything yeah. @@ -55672,17 +55626,17 @@ because filling up my supply of each. yeah. erm -erm unless it's actually a meeting that you're recording use the other things cos they're just they've got bigger spaces for writing down what people's first words were and stuff like that, +erm unless it's actually a meeting that you're recording use the other things cos they're just they've got bigger spaces for writing down what people's first words were and stuff like that, right. erm and i just find them easier to cope with. -i'm gonna check with whether we actually need to fill in a meeting log for every recording situation , +i'm gonna check with whether we actually need to fill in a meeting log for every recording situation , mm. or whether some kind of statement about who's there and what they're doing is enough. mhm. -cos i think these meeting logs are a pain in the neck cos they've got the you know the boxes are about this big and you need to be a spider to write in them. +cos i think these meeting logs are a pain in the neck cos they've got the you know the boxes are about this big and you need to be a spider to write in them. . and a small one at that. -erm and th the bit for notes isn't +erm and th the bit for notes isn't and we wouldn't want any spiders around would we? big enough. no we wouldn't want any spiders around. @@ -55713,52 +55667,52 @@ it's true. just ask spike. . erm -all those present have been warned.. +all those present have been warned.. . right. yes. so don't bother. -erm erm erm erm. +erm erm erm erm. i seemed to have worked my way down to the bottom of my list. -erm +erm congratulations. thank you.. . -it wasn't a very full list cos erm er it didn't occur to me until about seven o'clock this evening that i had to go out quite soon and then i just ran around frantically doing things . +it wasn't a very full list cos erm er it didn't occur to me until about seven o'clock this evening that i had to go out quite soon and then i just ran around frantically doing things . you thought it was still six didn't you? w erm no really. -well it was still light so it hadn't di i didn't really realize how late it was getting. -er i was still slobbing around in my dressing-gown and you know yesterday's clothes and so i i i thought i'd better get up and do stuff. -. erm yeah. +well it was still light so it hadn't di i didn't really realize how late it was getting. +er i was still slobbing around in my dressing-gown and you know yesterday's clothes and so i i i thought i'd better get up and do stuff. +. erm yeah. so i'm i'm a bit unprepared, but that's everything i think that i have to say. right. -can we go through unless anybody else has anything to say? +can we go through unless anybody else has anything to say? no. right. -can we go through erm what we're going to do this week so i can make a note of it so i'll know this week, rather than last week when i didn't so i didn't. +can we go through erm what we're going to do this week so i can make a note of it so i'll know this week, rather than last week when i didn't so i didn't. now does anybody know . shorthand? not that anybody else but myself could read back. -er i don't know shorthand but i thought y somebody who did know shorthand would probably have a less hard time than i do writing down notes . +er i don't know shorthand but i thought y somebody who did know shorthand would probably have a less hard time than i do writing down notes . . -erm but it probably wouldn't make much difference. +erm but it probably wouldn't make much difference. erm i i've learnt the pitman school but to a basic level and a long time ago and a lot of it is now forgotten.. fine. not a problem. -erm okay. +erm okay. what are we gonna do this week? i'll write it down your names. . -underneath them i'll write down what to do. +underneath them i'll write down what to do. oh. you don't need one for me. another another point . don't i? oh. no, you're you're off limits this week aren't you? -another point about erm what we did this week, we went down to the guildhall. +another point about erm what we did this week, we went down to the guildhall. i mentioned that. . yes. @@ -55768,10 +55722,10 @@ mhm. right. this week. erm after my meeting on monday i shall hopefully start recording at b r. -and i will continue to pursue trying to get a contact with clive in liverpool and probably have the tape recorder and tapes returned from my father. +and i will continue to pursue trying to get a contact with clive in liverpool and probably have the tape recorder and tapes returned from my father. right. which i will then turn around and put to good use,most probably in manchester. -if you can let me know who you want me to write to or give me a source book to start +if you can let me know who you want me to write to or give me a source book to start yes. writing letters from i will also start on the letter writing for you. okay. @@ -55805,17 +55759,17 @@ er what are you going to do this week? transcription work. we hope. -erm we hope, yes. +erm we hope, yes. probably not till till towards the end of the week. -erm +erm whatever. -erm i've still got +erm i've still got make suggestions for people i can go out and hassle in the first couple of days of the week. because i yeah. until the conference office say yea or nay, there's nothing i can do literally there. mm. -until any of the other ones bear fruit, because the guildhall i can't get anything on the elections till april the sixth, erm i can't get anything from the scottish tapes until they start arriving, erm whatever. +until any of the other ones bear fruit, because the guildhall i can't get anything on the elections till april the sixth, erm i can't get anything from the scottish tapes until they start arriving, erm whatever. so all my sources are in progress but right. nothing's about to turn up. @@ -55823,39 +55777,39 @@ so suggest something and i can go some how about getting some tapes not in north yeah. driving over to leeds or something if we if there's anybody we can contact over there? erm it's making the initial contacts that's the problem. -erm i'm i'm in two minds as to whether it's best to always write first or to to phone first whenever possible. -i think it's probably best er probably good to phone first but i'm erm worried about phone bills, +erm i'm i'm in two minds as to whether it's best to always write first or to to phone first whenever possible. +i think it's probably best er probably good to phone first but i'm erm worried about phone bills, right. and how to deal them. -phone calls made from non-local phone calls in fact local c phone calls as well made from my house can be made directly onto my business mercury account. -erm i've got a mercury account at home and i've got it set up so that after the mercury number you type in a user code, and one of my user codes is for the business. +phone calls made from non-local phone calls in fact local c phone calls as well made from my house can be made directly onto my business mercury account. +erm i've got a mercury account at home and i've got it set up so that after the mercury number you type in a user code, and one of my user codes is for the business. mm. so. -i'm quite amenable to people coming over and using my phone for making business-related phone calls. -erm particularly +i'm quite amenable to people coming over and using my phone for making business-related phone calls. +erm particularly alright then. if those people also supply me with never-ending cups of tea and coffee while they're there. . . cos that's what i live on during the day is never-ending supplies of tea and coffee. -well i don't have any problem with going out. +well i don't have any problem with going out. how about i could i could go down and just go to some places in hull on spec. mm. go into the university and see if there're there are any conferences there that i can ask. -because that's not something we want to go through their conference office for if we only want to do a meeting, +because that's not something we want to go through their conference office for if we only want to do a meeting, mm. something we'd just ask the people who are organizing the conference. erm i could go out to harrogate and see if there's anything on the conference centre there, mm. -or phone the conference centre . -the the thing is yeah, i mean anything rather than travelling, telephone, because you have to run up an awful lot of telephone calls before it's worth driving over and doing it +or phone the conference centre . +the the thing is yeah, i mean anything rather than travelling, telephone, because you have to run up an awful lot of telephone calls before it's worth driving over and doing it yeah. in person. -and the the time involved in driving over and then wandering around the city is . +and the the time involved in driving over and then wandering around the city is . yes but if i'm doing nothing else monday. erm you know. -yeah but if you could be doing other things, like phoning +yeah but if you could be doing other things, like phoning yeah. fair enough. f forty places @@ -55864,14 +55818,14 @@ rather than or phoning twenty places yeah. rather than visiting three. okay. -erm i i was suggesting to clare and david that wherever we do know people who don't live in this region we could get those people to, at my expense, send us a copy of their local thompson directory,which is an excellent resource for getting in touch with local businesses and other organizations. +erm i i was suggesting to clare and david that wherever we do know people who don't live in this region we could get those people to, at my expense, send us a copy of their local thompson directory,which is an excellent resource for getting in touch with local businesses and other organizations. but i mean it's a subset of the things that appear in yellow pages and also contains all the postcodes we're ever going to need to to use. okay. so anyone that anybody knows who lives anywhere, . -get them to send their local thompson . +get them to send their local thompson . . -erm and i'll refund the cost. +erm and i'll refund the cost. . i mean i d i dunno actually. is it possible to phone i imagine it's possible to phone b t and get them to send @@ -55883,15 +55837,15 @@ who does thompsons? is it b t? erm no. no. -i think thompsons is . +i think thompsons is . thompsons. but oh. yes, thompsons are separate. -there'll be a thompsons +there'll be a thompsons yes. . -erm you can there's a list at the back of the yellow pages on on yellow pages and phone books . +erm you can there's a list at the back of the yellow pages on on yellow pages and phone books . for for f yellow pages. yeah. erm they're all up in the library. @@ -55906,12 +55860,12 @@ they might be cheaper cos yes. they're smaller. erm but there's more of them. -also well here's another thing. +also well here's another thing. anybody we know, can we get them to send last year's yellow pages and thompsons, which won't yeah. cost them anything except for postage and and won't therefore cost us anything but postage? yeah. -that's . +that's . that's a good idea actually. let's do that . . @@ -55919,7 +55873,7 @@ yeah. yeah. erm right. -we don't really need to confer on who we're asking because i i'm i don't think +we don't really need to confer on who we're asking because i i'm i don't think if we get duplicate last year's yellow pages it's going to be such a problem. i mean we'll have a spare one, yes. oh yeah! @@ -55939,7 +55893,7 @@ and i right. can hassle anybody who still around for phone directories and so on. mm. -do you have a touch-tone phone here? +do you have a touch-tone phone here? yeah. . beep-beep-beep-beep-beep. @@ -55954,13 +55908,13 @@ i do get a fully itemized bill. yeah. and i've i'm i have no compunctions , yeah. -s as spike knows, about phoning places that i where i don't recognize the number and asking them who the fuck they are and when he called them .. +s as spike knows, about phoning places that i where i don't recognize the number and asking them who the fuck they are and when he called them .. . . well the only one that you have to worry about with me is if it it's a twenty-five-minute o eight nine eight .. er twenty-five-minute call to the states or something . -transatlantic yeah . +transatlantic yeah . just don't do it on my account. erm oh it's alright, they don't cost too much. @@ -55974,10 +55928,10 @@ because there's a few sort of non-local calls i could make to get yeah. phone directories sent . business calls, do it on the mercury account. -i mean yeah i'll i'll give you the er no i don't think mercury account . +i mean yeah i'll i'll give you the er no i don't think mercury account . that's probably more sensible than having people come round to use my phone as well. -erm it doesn't depend on me being in. -erm erm i did and try and use +erm it doesn't depend on me being in. +erm erm i did and try and use . i don't know it. i'll have to @@ -55999,7 +55953,7 @@ ah. right. but in fact it doesn't cost any more to . -erm dial the local s t d code and then use that call d do the call on the s t d code. +erm dial the local s t d code and then use that call d do the call on the s t d code. right. and then it appears on the mercury bill. ah. @@ -56009,37 +55963,37 @@ puff! there it is!. yes. . -you wouldn't believe the things that turn up on our bill. +you wouldn't believe the things that turn up on our bill. you really wouldn't. erm i didn't when i first saw it. -spike spike didn't spike didn't know why it wouldn't work. -erm right, well, that's why. +spike spike didn't spike didn't know why it wouldn't work. +erm right, well, that's why. right. fair enough. yes. right. -since i've got to write to captain andrew anyway i will get hold of addresses of people er like sam in warwickshire. +since i've got to write to captain andrew anyway i will get hold of addresses of people er like sam in warwickshire. right. a useful contact. where is captain andrew? war er c coventry . coventry. -he also will therefore be a useful contact . +he also will therefore be a useful contact . yes. -erm if you've lost your . +erm if you've lost your . you want his voice on tape?. not necessarily. but but he knows people i'm sure . also he's in the process of setting up a business. he is in fact . he is. -any any part of that is a legitimate erm +any any part of that is a legitimate erm recording scenario. you know anything anything yeah. where he talks to people about setting up his business is a legitimate thing to record. -and since he's the one initiating the meetings all we have to do is get his consent to erm the her his s signature, and the other people's sort of +and since he's the one initiating the meetings all we have to do is get his consent to erm the her his s signature, and the other people's sort of mm. and his verb okay. @@ -56048,16 +56002,16 @@ alright. some time has passed, for the benefit of the tape. . thank you. -erm er so far my list of what we're going to do this week includes for derek erm fi tracking down non-local copies of yellow pages by phoning people and hassling people who are about to go home. +erm er so far my list of what we're going to do this week includes for derek erm fi tracking down non-local copies of yellow pages by phoning people and hassling people who are about to go home. right. erm i shall phone the harrogate conference centre since they have a big and er quite famous conference centre. -if i can get hold of the erm the name if i can remember the name. +if i can get hold of the erm the name if i can remember the name. there is a conference centre somewhere out in the wilds of nowhere in derbyshire which i drove past coming back from buxton. -if you phone in t erm the talking yellow pages and say i need a conference centre in derbyshire, they'll probably tell you that one . +if you phone in t erm the talking yellow pages and say i need a conference centre in derbyshire, they'll probably tell you that one . talking yellow pages? yeah, it's erm it's not one nine two, it's it's something different. erm you can phone them up and ask them for a yellow pages listing and they and they'll give at random a listing from the yellow pages in whatever area you ask for. -you can't ask for a specific taxi company or +you can't ask for a specific taxi company or ah right, okay. anything like that, but you can say can you just tell me the name of two taxis? the number of two taxi companies in this area? and they will . or you or you could ask for the the number of all the conference centres in @@ -56066,32 +56020,32 @@ right. one that's not in a town. talking i shall try the talking yellow pages. . -it it it really was, it was the middle of nowhere and we drove by it and it's a conference c conference centre? -er and but that would be conference material from derbyshire, if we could +it it it really was, it was the middle of nowhere and we drove by it and it's a conference c conference centre? +er and but that would be conference material from derbyshire, if we could yeah. could get that. . and since we don't seem to have any recordings yet from derbyshire. no. -is erm where's doncaster? +is erm where's doncaster? what county is doncaster in ? doncaster's south yorkshire. is it? right. okay. -i have a friend in doncaster. -but erm yeah i don't know anybody in derbyshire. +i have a friend in doncaster. +but erm yeah i don't know anybody in derbyshire. nobody lives there do they? er lots of people live in the peak district. b r have yeah but nobody we know. cumbria. -the section of b r that i work for +the section of b r that i work for dave . most directly and -and . +and . i'm sorry, say again? -the particular section of b r +the particular section of b r yes. that i work for erm being the q s has its main headquarters in derbyshire, so it's just possible i may be able to get some business contacts in derbyshire . that would be good. @@ -56111,9 +56065,9 @@ i since you've already contacted them in person, erm phoning them's not going to yeah. erm in quite the way that sending them a letter on headed notepaper is. okay.. -plus the fact you don't have a n er contact name so it's going to be more difficult to get connected to anyone . +plus the fact you don't have a n er contact name so it's going to be more difficult to get connected to anyone . yes. -yes i'll just end up talking to a secretary whereas something +yes i'll just end up talking to a secretary whereas something mm. will be plonked on somebody's well @@ -56122,14 +56076,14 @@ if you end up going to the office and it's the same layout as it it it was and t aha. it was the secretary on there was only the one secretary in the office when i went in but there are two desks, one on the left and one on the right, and it's the one at the one on the right. right. -that was who was dealing with when i +that was who was dealing with when i okay. went in there. okey-doke. erm. i shall also write to the captain for addresses and and businesses and if he can help us and so forth. right. -are you going to erm telephone the hull conference centre as well? +are you going to erm telephone the hull conference centre as well? erm i don't know if there's a conference centre but there's a university. . i'll phone hull uni then. @@ -56156,7 +56110,7 @@ i've never heard his surname, he's just little nick as far as i'm concerned . okay. little nick. erm -i'll have to phone nick tonight to see if the captain has a phone number now rather than just an address cos if i can phone him it'll be a lot easier. +i'll have to phone nick tonight to see if the captain has a phone number now rather than just an address cos if i can phone him it'll be a lot easier. have you spoken to whit about the ? yes. is it this week or next week ? @@ -56164,32 +56118,32 @@ i s it's next week cos he's home this week. yes. erm if the message got passed yes. -on erm +on erm i mentioned it to him last week er last night actually. yes. erm he he he does re remember as far as i i can tell. mm. -but er basically the message didn't get passed on to him when i left it er the last time and he then did the tour monday not knowing that we could have been recording it because +but er basically the message didn't get passed on to him when i left it er the last time and he then did the tour monday not knowing that we could have been recording it because ah. -nobody'd told him, and then when i got in touch with him erm he said no nobody had told him about it. -so and he's doing one er not tomorrow but in a week's time and will be perfectly happy to record it. +nobody'd told him, and then when i got in touch with him erm he said no nobody had told him about it. +so and he's doing one er not tomorrow but in a week's time and will be perfectly happy to record it. good. good good. so erm -i'll go along and be well actually i'll get him to do that and instead of being bored about the for forty five minutes or whatever i +i'll go along and be well actually i'll get him to do that and instead of being bored about the for forty five minutes or whatever i you can be bored about it when you type the tape. yeah. -but i i that way i only have to hear it once. +but i i that way i only have to hear it once. yeah. -er and i can i can go and er i can +er and i can i can go and er i can wendy! . i can go round i just spent three hours last night talking to him and i've i've had enough for the week that's all. i can't do it now, i've already done the tour. i'm sorry,i i took the cowards's option last night. -instead of being lured up to whit's room with you and erm other people +instead of being lured up to whit's room with you and erm other people . last night i said derek let's go home .. . @@ -56204,18 +56158,18 @@ well they were being whit was being unpleasant about aaron, which is calls made yes. about his appearance or whatever. but it was because aaron said a mildly humorous comment about somebody in one of whit's photos who turned out to be one of whit's very good friends. -and er well so what? +and er well so what? she does look strange cos she's got bright white hair and purple lipstick on.. oh right. sorry, but it's true!. . -erm yeah. +erm yeah. that's getting off the subject a bit but never mind. okay. -anyway yes, whit's going to us at some stage and i will wander round town while he's doing his talk and then transcribe it +anyway yes, whit's going to us at some stage and i will wander round town while he's doing his talk and then transcribe it right. -so i only have to once . -can erm one of you look in this week's advertiser, and any sort of talks and things that are on this week if they've got a phone number to contact, give them a buzz and see if they mind us recording it. +so i only have to once . +can erm one of you look in this week's advertiser, and any sort of talks and things that are on this week if they've got a phone number to contact, give them a buzz and see if they mind us recording it. derek? there are some talks happening this week. is it it's the advertiser that have the what's on section. @@ -56225,18 +56179,18 @@ unfortunately that's last week's. i'll check our our this week's ones cos they'll be lying around. right. okey-doke. -erm +erm excuse me while i find our papers. it's meanwhile. -no good for me because i'm working in the evening but minster f m has a a list of what's on that night every night. +no good for me because i'm working in the evening but minster f m has a a list of what's on that night every night. mm. -erm i don't know when they they they play it about quarter past er no about quarter to seven +erm i don't know when they they they play it about quarter past er no about quarter to seven mm. and then they i think they play it earlier than that as well. that's . erm -it's best to find them ahead of time because that gives us a chance to contact them beforehand. +it's best to find them ahead of time because that gives us a chance to contact them beforehand. yes. yes. i think it's unfair to anybody to show up with a tape recorder and ask them on the spot cos it puts them on the spot. @@ -56255,7 +56209,7 @@ sorry. just for the record , yes. is that i e s or i s? -i have not the remotest idea david . +i have not the remotest idea david . . i'm so sorry. . it's probably e s actually cos it was it was me trying trying to find a plural for @@ -56297,8 +56251,8 @@ but we've got monday tuesday and wednesday monday this week. quartermains terms, grand opera house. -er york healing group meet at the unitarian church saint saviours gate . -that would be . +er york healing group meet at the unitarian church saint saviours gate . +that would be . interesting. yes. oh w are there phone numbers for any of these? @@ -56310,7 +56264,7 @@ none of none of none of those have phone numbers but all of them have some sort salvation army home league, gillygate. what's one of those? don't know. -ouse harmony barbershop chorus practice night go on. +ouse harmony barbershop chorus practice night go on. can we get singing?. no. no. @@ -56329,7 +56283,7 @@ ai! how do you spell ? . low impact aerobics. -what the heck are low impact +what the heck are low impact that's step . that's where you don't jump around. that's step probably. @@ -56342,14 +56296,14 @@ boom! high impact aerobics. . it's -no it's it's +no it's it's it's a different name for karate . it's aerobics for fat people, ah. cos it's very bad for fat people to jump up and down, erm jump around, yeah -because we have an awful problem with impact when we land again . -new breed of . +because we have an awful problem with impact when we land again . +new breed of . i have terrible trouble with my feet. . that's a play. @@ -56362,16 +56316,16 @@ yeah. get that. that that'll be a talk. also i noticed there was something by martin . -a talk from rags to riches . -er neal . +a talk from rags to riches . +er neal . neal , yeah. memories of a removal man by neal , yeah! -york after eight club, enterprises seventeen +york after eight club, enterprises seventeen that'll be perfect. lane. -i know where is . -yeah are in the phone book as well. +i know where is . +yeah are in the phone book as well. yeah. under g for . . @@ -56384,31 +56338,31 @@ he he'd probably be quite yeah. happy about it. york c v s training workshops. -erm stop smoking group, clifton health centre . +erm stop smoking group, clifton health centre . if they agreed that would probably be good. ted heath music appreciation society. i worried about that when i read it. . -balan oh wow! +balan oh wow! i wonder what this one's gonna be. balance and harmony, priory street centre. . that's all it says. om. it's probably -two hours of going om. +two hours of going om. . it's not going to be interesting . be a meditation group . yeah. -quite easy to transcribe . -which wouldn't be easy to though remember y it it's three os and two ms because it's om om . +quite easy to transcribe . +which wouldn't be easy to though remember y it it's three os and two ms because it's om om . om. . om. because the ms or in the case of some movies om .. -i'm not that. +i'm not that. you you didn't join in the harmony. erm from dark crystal yes. @@ -56423,9 +56377,9 @@ spent a long time showing me his dark crystal om. book last night. . -er vale of york conservation volunteers. +er vale of york conservation volunteers. but that's going to be outdoors. -erm er . +erm er . and we wouldn't want to get the tape recorders wet would we? . no boys and girls . @@ -56438,17 +56392,17 @@ well, whoopee! . . yeah we're about due for another flood. -i like it when when wh it floods in town and you can go down and watch foreigners standing looking at the roofs of their cars floating down the ouse and you think yeah!. +i like it when when wh it floods in town and you can go down and watch foreigners standing looking at the roofs of their cars floating down the ouse and you think yeah!. . you're cruel sometimes. -i was very -yeah, i just like cashing in on other people's misery . +i was very +yeah, i just like cashing in on other people's misery . oh. ooh. wednesday. namibia. a desert country by the sea. -a talk by doctor tom for british heart foundation. +a talk by doctor tom for british heart foundation. sounds good. folk hall, new earswick. well look, i mean why don't i leave it to you to get in contact with @@ -56460,7 +56414,7 @@ i imagine most of these pl most of these places, if they're organizations, they' yeah. yes. they do. -we've got +we've got . erm but definitely try oh! @@ -56478,7 +56432,7 @@ what? york twenties and thirties social and activity club weekly meeting,and no, you're not going. . -and new! +and new! york eighteen plus group. no, you're not going! oh dear! @@ -56493,7 +56447,7 @@ i wonder sometimes . oh dear. right. . -those two are . +those two are . well i'll leave that to you, erm and if they need letters written or need to yeah. phone me, i'm in tomorrow and tuesday all day . @@ -56506,13 +56460,13 @@ right. yeah. well i i'll phone them up. when are you going to be about? -erm are you going to be at home at all tomorrow or here at all tomorrow?? -erm i'm usually here first thing in the morning and +erm are you going to be at home at all tomorrow or here at all tomorrow?? +erm i'm usually here first thing in the morning and what's first thing?. you know, before nine o'clock. . that kind of first thing. -yeah i i usually find myself having just deposited spike at the station at about a quarter past nine and then i'm in town and er able to do things in town. +yeah i i usually find myself having just deposited spike at the station at about a quarter past nine and then i'm in town and er able to do things in town. but erm cos mm. i'll i'll get my a disk to you and some @@ -56523,13 +56477,13 @@ right. actually erm but i should probably do that when i can come and see you and show you where it yeah. -needs to sit in the printer and things like that erm so you don't you know +needs to sit in the printer and things like that erm so you don't you know right. -end up fiddling with for hours on end to work out . +end up fiddling with for hours on end to work out . okay. i i will be home erm i'll be home at my house as opposed to here erm tomorrow afternoon as from about four o'clock i would imagine. right. -you're on road. +you're on road. lane. lane. lane? @@ -56537,10 +56491,10 @@ i live literally on the corner as you go out . that's very convenient isn't it? . . -it it's the house right on the the left-hand corner just there are you go out . +it it's the house right on the the left-hand corner just there are you go out . what's i can't picture it, so what's the address? -it's thirty eight lane. -thirty eight lane. +it's thirty eight lane. +thirty eight lane. well why don't i pop round tomorrow? sure thing. at the end of if i w wait until the end of the business day, so @@ -56556,19 +56510,19 @@ yeah. of businesses. great. right. -erm okey-doke. +erm okey-doke. . and if you can remember to bring me some headed notepaper as well, so -th er i haven't actually yeah i'll bring you some headed notepaper but you shouldn't actually need it except if people want this person is doing this on behalf of. +th er i haven't actually yeah i'll bring you some headed notepaper but you shouldn't actually need it except if people want this person is doing this on behalf of. right. erm all the other stuff i've just got a little header set up in the file on right. on a template. yeah. -the you know the the little header. +the you know the the little header. mm. -i'm going to have some headed notepaper as soon as i can get the laser printer printing out things that i tell it to rather than printing out courier ten. -i'm having a bit of trouble with spike's laser printer at work cos it's not a real it it says it's a hewlett-packard two plus but it ain't. +i'm going to have some headed notepaper as soon as i can get the laser printer printing out things that i tell it to rather than printing out courier ten. +i'm having a bit of trouble with spike's laser printer at work cos it's not a real it it says it's a hewlett-packard two plus but it ain't. oh. mm. so it's actually a panasonic something and i haven't got the printer driver for it. @@ -56578,7 +56532,7 @@ mm. . can i buy a printer driver for this? because they'll say what's your registration number? they'll say what's your registration number? -and i'll say i haven't got one yet because i can't afford to buy er a non-pirate copy of wordperfect until next month. +and i'll say i haven't got one yet because i can't afford to buy er a non-pirate copy of wordperfect until next month. sorry. . mm. @@ -56606,22 +56560,22 @@ oh it lovely. it's just that it's the it looks sort of -erm what we really need er . +erm what we really need er . erm but there there's no the problem is we can't use the can't use the compserve one. -er you could you could print one off. +er you could you could print one off. erm we'd only need one . for a start erm the typeface we wanted it looks something like that. -the type face we wanted isn't on the the whatsit laser printer. +the type face we wanted isn't on the the whatsit laser printer. i'd also like it in shadow . if at all possible. oh, yeah. -er the other thing is -so i i it's a standard you know dinky little thing like y you us you use you know the with their little twirly thing and er the you saw the +er the other thing is +so i i it's a standard you know dinky little thing like y you us you use you know the with their little twirly thing and er the you saw the oh no. productions with their little red triangle and dots thing . no i think i think the word is quite adequate actually . @@ -56631,16 +56585,16 @@ y fine. the fancy letters the m and the t really need a powerful pack like coreldraw. yeah. -which . +which . eddie ! eddie! erm who doesn't have a laser printer. yes, no, but -but he can do the +but he can do the but does have coreldraw. -he does have coreldraw and erm coreldraw would use p postscript erm which we can import onto the p cs and dump onto the self-service laser printer. +he does have coreldraw and erm coreldraw would use p postscript erm which we can import onto the p cs and dump onto the self-service laser printer. erm and a partridge in a pear tree. . @@ -56663,7 +56617,7 @@ because he's working for his course. he has mm. er course work to do the whole time. -but erm i can phone him er have you got his number as well? +but erm i can phone him er have you got his number as well? mm. right, okay. well you could phone him if you @@ -56681,7 +56635,7 @@ i could i could do that in an hour. i could d i could do a complete letterhead and just that just that logo as an e p s f that you could stick into wordperfect. mm. ooh. -erm +erm right. ooh. ooh. @@ -56708,12 +56662,12 @@ okay. it's a cunning plan. it is actually. i have a cunning plan my lord . -let's get let's just get it on though. +let's get let's just get it on though. . -erm okay let's get eddie +erm okay let's get eddie erm i i reckon i reckon i could do it in an hour. erm -the thing is if we can get that erm and we can al we could also put it on business cards is another thing . +the thing is if we can get that erm and we can al we could also put it on business cards is another thing . mm. i can go and get a run of business cards done at some point. mm. @@ -56722,13 +56676,13 @@ erm else i have to do is find a somebody that'll do cheap photocopying. get like an account with somebody. u w -erm i mean it really requires a p c and a copy of coreldraw. -erm however +erm i mean it really requires a p c and a copy of coreldraw. +erm however i've got a p c. you have a p c. erm but i'd er however -i'm running low on memory now . +i'm running low on memory now . . yes. erm @@ -56744,7 +56698,7 @@ i mean is it a massive program? i imagine it'd be quite huge . erm it it was compressed onto six disks. . -but that includes three i think three disks were full of erm +but that includes three i think three disks were full of erm sample stuff isn't it. clip-art. which we don't need. @@ -56822,19 +56776,19 @@ that's true. yes. er er now, the source was at university which means that he's gone gone home. -he's at court, he might not have gone home. -not court, erm house. +he's at court, he might not have gone home. +not court, erm house. might not have gone home. -i thought they were planning to er make term time only. +i thought they were planning to er make term time only. . no idea. i don't know. -erm i'll see erm i know that richard has a copy of that and eddie has a copy . +erm i'll see erm i know that richard has a copy of that and eddie has a copy . mm. -i'll see what i can do. +i'll see what i can do. right. -erm i will buy a copy of it when i have access to a p c. -erm erm +erm i will buy a copy of it when i have access to a p c. +erm erm how much is it? the new one is about two hundred and sixty pounds . @@ -56848,25 +56802,25 @@ i want! i want! it's very easy to do pretty things with it. mm. -did you did wasn't it coreldraw that you guys used to make the erm badge for our cop two thousand game? -erm yes. +did you did wasn't it coreldraw that you guys used to make the erm badge for our cop two thousand game? +erm yes. eddie did that, yes. mm. yes i've still got that somewhere. erm -in fact i may even have them be in here. +in fact i may even have them be in here. . no they're not. they were really good. doug's p c isn't suitable because the monitor's crap. steer's . -p c would possibly get it . +p c would possibly get it . in what sense is the monitor crap? er it won't do colour, erm it doesn't need to. it's a black and white logo. -it it it it it's it's it's also got a erm er it's got no mouse for the computer. -it's anyway steer's might get it running, +it it it it it's it's it's also got a erm er it's got no mouse for the computer. +it's anyway steer's might get it running, okay. er but there're some really nifty ones in the chemistry department which cou doug could borrow for an hour and a half of an evening. so. @@ -56881,7 +56835,7 @@ but weekend? maybe, yeah. yeah. cos er an hour and a half on a saturday evening. -we could manage it. +we could manage it. mm. erm we can get a p c @@ -56889,30 +56843,30 @@ if we can do this ourselves i'd really like to . yes. erm cos er -i i definitely don't wanna pay you know somebody +i i definitely don't wanna pay you know somebody yeah. -like sixty quid just to make a logo that we can do ourselves. +like sixty quid just to make a logo that we can do ourselves. yeah. yeah. th there is no w er problem whatsoever about getting a p c which is of suitable capability. right. and we just need doug to be around t well. -if erm -or if simon can bring one home from work . +if erm +or if simon can bring one home from work . doug's doug's machine has reasonably high graphics doesn't it? it's not c g a? -er no, doug's machine is crap. +er no, doug's machine is crap. steer's is quite good as far as i can tell. er erm . i've got a v g a. bloody space. -i dunno, i could i could back up and remove wordperfect, which frees about another meg and a half of memory . +i dunno, i could i could back up and remove wordperfect, which frees about another meg and a half of memory . erm well it it was on it was compressed onto three disks, so i guess it's probably going to be about four meg. mm. well. doug's machine has four and a half meg free. -it doesn't need a mouse and it will run on a c g a. +it doesn't need a mouse and it will run on a c g a. erm well, i think it might work then. but i can't guarantee it. @@ -56920,7 +56874,7 @@ suck it and see as my grandmother used to say to me.. indeed. okay, pardon? -i'll chase that up this week cos it won't take . +i'll chase that up this week cos it won't take . what did she use to say? suck it and see. . @@ -56932,20 +56886,20 @@ erm . moving quickly on. erm okay i've got a list of what derek's gonna do, i've got a list of what clare's gonna do. -erm i'm gonna come round tomorrow and bring +erm i'm gonna come round tomorrow and bring yeah. some letter writing stuff. and david's gonna convalesce. david's gonna convalesce. david's gonna convalesce. yes. -erm it'll be alright i'm sure . +erm it'll be alright i'm sure . i know. you'll be fine. don't worry. -erm yes and i'll chase up chase up erm a copy of coreldraw. +erm yes and i'll chase up chase up erm a copy of coreldraw. right. -and i'm going to get some tapes to clare and the letter writing stuff, find out about a photocopying account, talk to about more tapes,transcription notes, erm meeting log forms, demographic transcription, and editing of transcription that we do. +and i'm going to get some tapes to clare and the letter writing stuff, find out about a photocopying account, talk to about more tapes,transcription notes, erm meeting log forms, demographic transcription, and editing of transcription that we do. yeah. gonna write to the university conference office,erm and talk to the head of sue's school or write to the head of sue's school. erm @@ -56953,7 +56907,7 @@ that sounds reasonable. you're going to give us your m mercury account number. mercury account number. oh yes i've got a further list down here. -mercury account number, talk to connie erm who used to be at hull. +mercury account number, talk to connie erm who used to be at hull. and i'll leave the talking to eddie about coreldraw for yeah. for other people to do. @@ -56963,7 +56917,7 @@ should i phone him up then? no. not yet. not -wait until david's erm researched getting a computer in york . +wait until david's erm researched getting a computer in york . cos it would be easi it's a lot easier to do it here. cos i i it takes it would take an entire yeah. @@ -56971,37 +56925,37 @@ evening to go out to keighley. erm er in fact it would take an entire evening to go out to keighley. it's a bloody long way. -whereas it's +whereas it's yeah. -it's a lot more convenient +it's a lot more convenient . could come round here mm. . mm. -erm i mean it'll take a while to install . +erm i mean it'll take a while to install . mm. waiting for the program to install. right. -well i'll leave that with you to see what what comes out. +well i'll leave that with you to see what what comes out. but i mean in the meantime we're quite happy quite happy carrying with with the silly little letterhead that i've got cos it says yeah. who we are. -it's just i'd like something printed . -what about the p cs in the p c room in langwith? +it's just i'd like something printed . +what about the p cs in the p c room in langwith? erm all you need's a vax account. yeah but they don't have very much memory in them. -they don't have enough memory in them to load up very much. +they don't have enough memory in them to load up very much. and you can't put it on c you can't put it if you if you network them you've got hardly any, and even er unnetworked i think they've only got two meg. -but you can't do something clever like dump it all onto my scratch quota for example? +but you can't do something clever like dump it all onto my scratch quota for example? no. erm okay. ah well. no you can run they're big enough to run a diskful of game but not something that takes more than one disk. -erm er +erm er okay. right. are we done? @@ -57012,7 +56966,6 @@ mhm. erm okay. okay. - would you like some toast now darling? yes please. let mummy just watch the news then i think playbus is coming on in a moment. @@ -57039,7 +56992,7 @@ then you have go with lots and lots of people and have a big party. a scarf. i have to get a scarf. well you can wear a scarf if you want to. -so we have you get married. +so we have you get married. well ladies generally wear a nice dresses. can we have a man? ah well here? @@ -57063,7 +57016,7 @@ mummy has bought daddy some nice chocolates to eat and we're going to have a spe yes? and you can spend the evening with nanna and del in this house and mummy and daddy are going out. not -no we're going out to have some fun. +no we're going out to have some fun. but i won't cry. no. you won't cry because you're being with nanna and del. @@ -57082,20 +57035,20 @@ oh you don't want to have a cuddle? no. i don't want sauce you can do -i am get down i am going to miss you. +i am get down i am going to miss you. okay. i am going to miss you. okay that's good. but this isn't going to fit look. no it's too big to go in there isn't it? it is. -is that one's not too big is it? +is that one's not too big is it? no that one fits perfectly -i want this is not going to have people don't have these in the door. +i want this is not going to have people don't have these in the door. oh no not that one. because that's a big one isn't it? mm. -the have for this thing for this one. +the have for this thing for this one. mm mm. that's right. they don't come out @@ -57104,16 +57057,16 @@ what's it going to rain for? mm it's going to be raining. oh tomorrow is a nice surprise for you. is it? -yes when you're in bed it ann phoned to say to say that she's bringing and ali around to play with you tomorrow afternoon. +yes when you're in bed it ann phoned to say to say that she's bringing and ali around to play with you tomorrow afternoon. why? well so that you can all play together. that be good? you can have tea. mm. -adem ouch! +adem ouch! adem and alea and then on wednesday mm -you're going back to nursery go back to nursery? +you're going back to nursery go back to nursery? you can see ben at nursery can't you? and then on thursday bill's coming to play with you and you're going to nursery and then on friday you'll see lucy in the day time are you going out? @@ -57149,7 +57102,7 @@ pardon? no you oh look. oh look happy birthday party. -mm i do nanna. +mm i do nanna. yes nanna's birthday. we had a little birthday party. and we got @@ -57161,17 +57114,17 @@ mm. that's clever. isn't that a mm it's round isn't it? -i can what's round? -has we has been you is get is get and you to paint it. +i can what's round? +has we has been you is get is get and you to paint it. oh is it? that's what shape is that? -er it's a line. +er it's a line. it's a line er no what shape is that? no go and draw the shape on your chalking board. no this side with your chalk. -there, draw what's that? +there, draw what's that? what shape is that? erm that's a square. that's a circle. @@ -57186,7 +57139,7 @@ no! i said you wouldn't like to be chased all the time i'm the hunter. were you? -oliver like to feed the birds with the toast you didn't eat? +oliver like to feed the birds with the toast you didn't eat? no i not going to feed them. no i say would you like to feed the birds? erm @@ -57206,8 +57159,8 @@ mm. okay. not today. no okay not today. -what is this? -well it's the fishing net for the goldfish. +what is this? +well it's the fishing net for the goldfish. well when we clean out the er thing with the big fishing net for the pond but it's a small one when we clean out the fish tank. can i? i want erm scotbald erm skateboard. @@ -57259,12 +57212,12 @@ keith's in the car. he's got such awful cold has he? yeah and cough again. -so i've kept him off for off it's not fair with oliver. +so i've kept him off for off it's not fair with oliver. erm he's just come down with this rotten old cough and cold again and i was going to take him to the doctor's but then they don't like it giving them anything and i don't like giving him anything so -maybe just give him something so it's so cold as well +maybe just give him something so it's so cold as well it is. i just concentrate to put the heating on. -it's just it's tempting i must admit. +it's just it's tempting i must admit. you know i thought once or twice about putting it on but mm go enough yeah that a week without one and then @@ -57281,7 +57234,7 @@ oliver. so er i've got to keep him off school today and see how he goes over the next day or two. if he's going to be miserable i mean it's only nursery it doesn't really matter. oh no! -well i phoned them up and you know they i only have to say it's mrs and they say oh! +well i phoned them up and you know they i only have to say it's mrs and they say oh! ben's mum. i said yeah he's coughing well if he's coughing as well and he might make himself sick. @@ -57290,13 +57243,13 @@ yeah but i mean it's not fair on him and it's not fair on the teachers because t it's not yeah yeah yeah it isn't fair so er i thought right you know, i'll keep him home. oliver said he wanted to go to nursery today because i got some yellow cards you know they're daffy duck oh yeah! -from marks and spencer you know different shapes. +from marks and spencer you know different shapes. yeah. he must have about ten. and i said to him on the weekend. i think it would be a good idea to take these to nursery because i'm sure they would be able to do something with them. yeah! -and i say over a year now difficulty. +and i say over a year now difficulty. no! ben's having a little sleep darling. on wednesday. @@ -57309,12 +57262,12 @@ i don't know must have had some sort of virus or something ooh! because er saturday bill went to work at the weekend yeah. -which was good news moneywise +which was good news moneywise yeah. and er on erm saturday is my mum's birthday friday. that's nice. saturday they're coming round to dinner. -so i had to go and get a card and you know bits and pieces. +so i had to go and get a card and you know bits and pieces. yeah so went out and i was feeling really tired but i thought well i just been getting up very early in the mornings so yeah @@ -57339,7 +57292,7 @@ oh my god. my dad was pouring it out and we were giving mum the presents and stuff. in a minute. in a minute. -and er well after a while i had to rush upstairs. +and er well after a while i had to rush upstairs. ooh! so mum said you all right? must've come back looking like a ghost @@ -57369,7 +57322,7 @@ and my head was just pounding! mm. well i thought it was going to explode! yeah. -and then i went to bed and this morning woke up later. +and then i went to bed and this morning woke up later. mm. because phil was here bill was they didn't have you up? @@ -57378,16 +57331,16 @@ no! no! i was up at about ten i suppose. no about half past nine. -and er because phil was here oliver went to bed about ten so he woke up about ten and i've swallowed a couple of pills and feel fine. +and er because phil was here oliver went to bed about ten so he woke up about ten and i've swallowed a couple of pills and feel fine. i think i'm the same. really odd. -you know this weather is i think confuses us it's really odd. +you know this weather is i think confuses us it's really odd. you know i just felt -i simply odd awful sick. +i simply odd awful sick. i just felt really run down. ill you know? mm. -and er let's hope little one doesn't +and er let's hope little one doesn't yeah why i sort of kept away from him. and i didn't eat anything. i wasn't hungry. @@ -57395,19 +57348,19 @@ well the thing is if you have got a tummy virus like that you're best bet is not no! well i didn't want anything to eat. no. -but yesterday i really fancied something sweet. -lucky i had some biscuits in so whether it was er because my period started on friday +but yesterday i really fancied something sweet. +lucky i had some biscuits in so whether it was er because my period started on friday mm. -so mum said you know could it be my blood sugar level. +so mum said you know could it be my blood sugar level. yeah! it could be right down. that can happen. yeah. -she made me +she made me that looks like a mars bar you got don't they? yeah that's right. we had noticed the week before that er that we had some penguin biscuits in and er really sort of we kept looking at these penguins -and you left that one +and you left that one yeah i know and he started munching it and he's made it all soggy. but er i kept looking at them on friday. i finally succumbed. @@ -57421,7 +57374,7 @@ no. it's nice isn't it? oh it's only the school it's lovely. -and then the other day you were saying that it's nice to have someone drop in +and then the other day you were saying that it's nice to have someone drop in yeah. it's lovely. no it's nice. @@ -57441,25 +57394,25 @@ he is very chesty anyway. well yes. so i have to be very careful. i've got an appointment er thursday anyway -because i've noticed he's been sleepy he's all blocked up all all over there. +because i've noticed he's been sleepy he's all blocked up all all over there. specially. oliver please don't do that. right go and get that sword in the pampus grass and bring it back in here. there it is oh no i don't it's in there in the pampas grass. -i can see it you know so i'll take him home but i promised him er jaffa cake when we get home +i can see it you know so i'll take him home but i promised him er jaffa cake when we get home maybe i don't know but it just so i would say he shouldn't snore like he does all night. not on his front on his back lucy does. does she? mm. it's terrible! -you know you could +you know you could she coughs a lot. does she?basket with you cos he he's she snores. -the way she falls asleep she sounds like bill when she snores. +the way she falls asleep she sounds like bill when she snores. she sounds like an old man. you wouldn't think for a dainty little thing would you? i know she's sitting there and she snores with her mouth wide open. @@ -57475,7 +57428,7 @@ that's why she sort of snores and when she wakes up she's coughing spluttering. yeah. she sounds like she's smoking sort of sixty a day. poor little thing. -i know perhaps it is just something that +i know perhaps it is just something that or some children have and some children don't. with oliver it's his ears. if he's going to get anything he gets it in his ears. @@ -57506,24 +57459,24 @@ and bought us some flowers oh! they're beautiful yeah! -and er bill give me some roses which were +and er bill give me some roses which were oh! lovely! oh that's nice! but he woke me up this morning to wish me a happy anniversary. have you i bought him some er -i bought him some er erm white chocolate truffles er in on saturday. -i forgot to get him a card to go out again for a card. +i bought him some er erm white chocolate truffles er in on saturday. +i forgot to get him a card to go out again for a card. oh no! well i might i wouldn't mind getting -yeah i think i'll walk down to green went out for a couple of hours in the morning felt grotty didn't go out at all. +yeah i think i'll walk down to green went out for a couple of hours in the morning felt grotty didn't go out at all. no. -er we intended to go out to go to the garden centre i didn't do any of it. +er we intended to go out to go to the garden centre i didn't do any of it. mm. -but er we er oliver please! -not your mum's sweetheart. +but er we er oliver please! +not your mum's sweetheart. er oliver can you pick that up now? we better go. @@ -57532,21 +57485,21 @@ you have a nice bath it's lovely to see you again oliver all right. we'll see you on wednesday at nursery school. yeah. see how he is. -maybe we can er to get better before we spend any -anyway you're going to pick up you know it's best to sort +maybe we can er to get better before we spend any +anyway you're going to pick up you know it's best to sort well i hope he gets better. thanks. well i hope so. at nursery and see how he is. by wednesday he might be a lot better if you keep him in. -i'll keep him on that stuff +i'll keep him on that stuff yeah. yeah i know. they get so bored don't they? i know. come on then sweetie pie? well i feel a lot better today. -i mean on saturday. +i mean on saturday. wasn't it just as well we didn't go out saturday? right let's pick up these bricks. specially when you don't go out very often. @@ -57596,7 +57549,7 @@ oliver in a moment i'm going to get very angry with you. now pick this pick it up now! now go and get your skates now. go and get your skates now! -is mhm tummy. +is mhm tummy. what hurts your tummy? you tell me what hurts and i'll know how to make it better. my tummy. @@ -57616,7 +57569,7 @@ well we could do this one, it's quite a good one. we haven't done this one for a long time have we? shall we do it together? mm. -let's do it now. +let's do it now. well shall we take it downstairs? yes. i'm taking these books downstairs. @@ -57639,7 +57592,7 @@ what's he got on his mouth? on his mouth? a moustache. what's he got it on his mouth for? -well, some men have moustaches, they grow hair like his. +well, some men have moustaches, they grow hair like his. mm. and . come on then, let's put your underwear on. @@ -57669,7 +57622,7 @@ i don't like fireman sam. oh, don't you? no. thought you did. -i didn't. for me? +i didn't. for me? i'll have a look in the garage cos daddy put all your books in the garage. in the car. let's get you dressed and then i'll have a look for you. @@ -57702,7 +57655,7 @@ what's that? mummy? fridge fridge. -what's the for? +what's the for? what's the fridge for? mummy? what's he want. @@ -57738,7 +57691,7 @@ crackers. and what do they do with them?. this doesn't seem to be working properly. right. -we wish you a merry christmas we wish you a merry christmas wish you merry christmas and a happy new year. +we wish you a merry christmas we wish you a merry christmas wish you merry christmas and a happy new year. there. merry christmas. why do that mummy? @@ -57762,9 +57715,9 @@ when christmas comes around again yes. then we'll have a nice christmas tree again. yes. -are we christmas. +are we christmas. and santa claus comes doesn't he? -christmas lots and lots of for me. +christmas lots and lots of for me. mhm. that's right, lots and lots of presents. aren't i lucky? @@ -57790,7 +57743,7 @@ that one's called when the saints go marching in. will you do this one for me? yeah. what have they got, mummy? -they've got trumpets and trombones and flutes . +they've got trumpets and trombones and flutes . ooh, this one's very difficult. what's he got? he's got a flute. @@ -57819,7 +57772,7 @@ what's that? snowman. snowman. jingle bells jingle bells, jingle all the way. -what fun it is to ride in a one horse open . +what fun it is to ride in a one horse open . that's a good one isn't it? oh look! dressing up. @@ -57837,14 +57790,14 @@ a queen. mm. a queen. that's right. -what's he, what's he being for. +what's he, what's he being for. well, cos kings used to have swords in their belt. . shall we looks like a pirate. to me. mhm. looks like a pirate to you. -lavender blue dilly dilly lavender green i am a king dilly dilly you shall be queen. +lavender blue dilly dilly lavender green i am a king dilly dilly you shall be queen. has she got a king? she's a queen. and why she, has she got a sword? @@ -57872,7 +57825,7 @@ this one's called my bonny lies over the ocean. d'you want me to do it? mm. my body lies -where's mummy? +where's mummy? why he looking there for? well he's looking out to sea. my body . @@ -57901,7 +57854,7 @@ oh. aah. mum what's she got? what? -what's hand? +what's hand? she's just pointing isn't she. what's she got in her hand? she hasn't got anything in her hand. @@ -57982,9 +57935,9 @@ well they're just people. go on, out the way for god's sake. why well it's just a stupid person who can't drive properly. -there we are there's a card for daddy. +there we are there's a card for daddy. and we've got his present at home. -some biscuits for when alia and odem come tomorrow. +some biscuits for when alia and odem come tomorrow. and to me. and for you, yeah. what have you got? @@ -57997,14 +57950,14 @@ mm. can't we? mhm. that's right, we can all be the same. -and who's going to our house? +and who's going to our house? what house mummy? what house? our house. -we're party -we're not having a party we're just gonna, they're just coming round in the afternoon to play with you and we can have a drink and +we're party +we're not having a party we're just gonna, they're just coming round in the afternoon to play with you and we can have a drink and and we -well we're see what the weather's like. +well we're see what the weather's like. cos it may be nasty weather tomorrow. pardon darling? weather for? @@ -58012,7 +57965,7 @@ well on the news they said the weather was gonna be nasty. i got one of those, haven't i? one of those skateboards? that's right. -you need to put, need to put one foot on there, one foot on . +you need to put, need to put one foot on there, one foot on . where you on your skateboard in the garden today? i said, where you on th- on your skateboard in the garden today? umm. @@ -58022,15 +57975,15 @@ what's that mummy? pardon darling. what's that? what's what? -what that? -oh that's just a thank you because the person in the car behind let me through so i just said thank you. +what that? +oh that's just a thank you because the person in the car behind let me through so i just said thank you. that was all. don't hit the flowers mummy. i'm not, darling. there we are. what did we do it for? mm. -what we had to do was pop out to buy daddy a card and we got a paper and we got some biscuits and cake for tea for tomorrow. +what we had to do was pop out to buy daddy a card and we got a paper and we got some biscuits and cake for tea for tomorrow. what noise they make? what noise do doggies make? yes. @@ -58070,7 +58023,7 @@ alright? quick. that mummy? ooh, look what i've got! -ooh present for daddy. +ooh present for daddy. right you've gotta give these to mummy. look. look, look @@ -58220,16 +58173,16 @@ spit it out in here. give it to daddy then. so what did janet say? did she phone you? -well she phoned and umm asked how oliver was and everything and just said oh how are you and i said oh i've not been feeling very well over the weekend. -so she said oh about three people who've had that, she said you have something to eat and you get pains and it's obviously some sort of virus going round. +well she phoned and umm asked how oliver was and everything and just said oh how are you and i said oh i've not been feeling very well over the weekend. +so she said oh about three people who've had that, she said you have something to eat and you get pains and it's obviously some sort of virus going round. she described exactly how i'd been feeling. -so umm we was chatting and i said oh it's your birthday on sunday. +so umm we was chatting and i said oh it's your birthday on sunday. on monday yeah and i said oh i'd like to see you i've got a present for you. well i haven't at the moment, but i'm gonna get one. it's janet's birthday next week. on monday yeah. -and i said oh i've got a present for you so i want to see you give it to you. -so she said come round to lunch on wednesday. +and i said oh i've got a present for you so i want to see you give it to you. +so she said come round to lunch on wednesday. she said oh, umm she said oh when does oliver go to nursery. i said wednesday and thursday she said he goes in the afternoons doesn't he. i said yeah. @@ -58252,7 +58205,7 @@ here we are. .very nice thankyou. whaaaay . chilli con carne. -that woman phoned about that job. +that woman phoned about that job. oh yeah. she's coming round on wednesday to see me. is she? @@ -58265,7 +58218,7 @@ so umm scallywag! you're a scallywag. you are. -she said umm oh where have you been! +she said umm oh where have you been! you haven't bee-. d'you want to do a pooey. na. @@ -58281,7 +58234,7 @@ that's enough for a minute. let me talk to mummy. calm down! let me talk to mummy. -and umm i said umm +and umm i said umm oh! oliver! that's enough now. no more. @@ -58289,7 +58242,7 @@ i said what d-, what d'you mean. and she said ooh, haven't been round. i said well we've been very busy. oh well what have you been doing? -well seeing a lot of people, going out and doing things and i don't know, just been really busy. +well seeing a lot of people, going out and doing things and i don't know, just been really busy. i said well you can always come round here. well she said she said you can always come round here? @@ -58298,7 +58251,7 @@ she said where have you been! what happened to you! so what d'you do, how d'you leave it? no i mean she just started, she opened the conversation like that. -and we just chatted but you know she said like, i said oh hello she said hello it's ensla, i said oh hello! +and we just chatted but you know she said like, i said oh hello she said hello it's ensla, i said oh hello! so she said umm oh what happened to you! what d'you mean. i really thought she meant that we'd arranged to go round there and we hadn't gone or something. @@ -58311,19 +58264,19 @@ i said oh if i'm in beck and i've got a free couple of hours i'll come round but why? well tomorrow anne's coming round. wednesday i've got that woman coming round in the morning, take oliver to nursery, pop round janet's and then pick oliver up from nursery. -i thought you were going out with janet. +i thought you were going out with janet. well, i'd rather just go round there for an hour and sit there. -then thursday it's swimming, nursery, my dad's +then thursday it's swimming, nursery, my dad's swimming, nursery. coming round. friday we're going round clare's. you're going? mm. -so you know it's all i'm meant to be seeing that heather one day this week but i haven't rung her. +so you know it's all i'm meant to be seeing that heather one day this week but i haven't rung her. i mean today's the only day i've had free and the phone just hasn't stopped ringing. -ensla, janet ooh you know what ensla's like when she gets on the phone. +ensla, janet ooh you know what ensla's like when she gets on the phone. my mum phoned, dad phoned. -well yeah mum phoned again. +well yeah mum phoned again. pardon? do one of them. called. @@ -58339,7 +58292,7 @@ she's going for a walk. she's gone to the shops. yes. to buy a paper. -i posted that flym umm edger trimmer guarantee. +i posted that flym umm edger trimmer guarantee. what . oh where's she going? i don't know. @@ -58351,7 +58304,7 @@ three until twelve. are you my friend now? yes you are. shall we be friends -don't want +don't want kiss and make up? no. no. @@ -58398,13 +58351,13 @@ i want a cuddle. please. i want a cuddle. i want a cuddle now. -the grand old duke of york, he had ten thousand men, he walked them up to the top of the hill and back again. -they was up they were up, and then when they down they were down. +the grand old duke of york, he had ten thousand men, he walked them up to the top of the hill and back again. +they was up they were up, and then when they down they were down. when they was only half way up they were neither up or down. that's daddy, that's daddy's,. the grand old duke of york, he had ten thousand men. he walked them to the top of the hill and then walked them down again. -and when they were up they were up, and when they were down they were down, and half way up they were neither up or down. +and when they were up they were up, and when they were down they were down, and half way up they were neither up or down. the grand old duke of york, he had ten thousand men,. when they were up they were up, when they were down they were down. when they were neither up or down. @@ -58445,7 +58398,7 @@ get up and go and sit down. i want to be here. just sit down for ten minutes. i want to -alright you can do your puzzle but just sit down and stop rushing around very very sick. +alright you can do your puzzle but just sit down and stop rushing around very very sick. look daddy. did you do that by yourself? yes. @@ -58488,7 +58441,7 @@ it's not. or is it jane? she's gonna ask jane to babysit. well i haven't seen her -so if , if they, if sh- jane come over she, we'll is that it? +so if , if they, if sh- jane come over she, we'll is that it? why not ask them? well what am i gonna say when they turn round on friday and say oh we can come am i gonna turn round and say oh we don't want you to come out with us. why d'you keep asking me? @@ -58500,12 +58453,12 @@ why d'you keep saying the same things. oh i'm sorry well why do you keep saying it.? i dunno. -cos i'm +cos i'm you don't want them to come out? yes! well this is the fourth time okay. i'm gonna say it once more i don't want to speak about it again. -last week i asked clare if they wanted to come out with us on saturday. +last week i asked clare if they wanted to come out with us on saturday. and if jane could babysit because her mum can't because she's just come out of hospital. when she speaks to jane, which will be over the weekend she'll ask her if she's doing anything on saturday and if she'd like to babysit. if she will babysit then they will come out with us, if she can't babysit and they want to come out with us, and dave, clare will be able to tell me when i see her. @@ -58514,7 +58467,7 @@ i'm not going to tell you again. did he find his other sword? no. i think it's -where's that piece of puzzle oliver because we keep losing things don't we? +where's that piece of puzzle oliver because we keep losing things don't we? come on, find the piece of puzzle please. oliver. yes mummy. @@ -58552,7 +58505,7 @@ up to six months. but i six months? -yes but i decided i didn't like it so i didn't put in any. +yes but i decided i didn't like it so i didn't put in any. but when i didn't put any you said why can't we have it with the onions any more and i said you said it gave you indigestion. hm in future you decide exactly what you want to eat and you tell me what you want in it. @@ -58581,16 +58534,16 @@ it's not willie it's all the time every week you say something about something. you tell me what you'd like to eat exactly in future and if i feel like doing it i'll do it. and if i don't feel like doing it you can do something yourself. ah. -don't it's our anniversary -other people seem to complain about their hangers multiplying whenever i've got hangers disappear. +don't it's our anniversary +other people seem to complain about their hangers multiplying whenever i've got hangers disappear. i've never got enough hangers to hand the clothes back up on the cable. -i don't know whether we should bring those plants in tonight because erm they reckon it's going to become frosty those ones that we haven't planted yet and the hanging baskets. +i don't know whether we should bring those plants in tonight because erm they reckon it's going to become frosty those ones that we haven't planted yet and the hanging baskets. do you mind? -they're buying a three bedroom place for the next they're just just going to move there just as they're going to have twins. +they're buying a three bedroom place for the next they're just just going to move there just as they're going to have twins. that's all right. three bedrooms isn't it? you're a very clever absolutely clever boy. -pat you are a very oliver. +pat you are a very oliver. whee! you're clever aren't you? you're so clever. @@ -58610,7 +58563,7 @@ how old are you oliver? i am three. three! and how old is lucy? -uh four. +uh four. no she's two. wrong way. what old and what old is. @@ -58630,7 +58583,7 @@ eight. he's a very big boy isn't he? yes. i think you'd better get down now because you're going to hurt yourself. -hey don't up and down. +hey don't up and down. you go and sit down. so they're not pleased then? well not really no. @@ -58640,7 +58593,7 @@ and buy four bed well no. the contracts are signed now. it's too late now -oh but when she was how long was it since she worked at +oh but when she was how long was it since she worked at how long since she was working it was a couple of months before that wasn't it?that you said she was bleeding. yeah i think she was about four months pregnant. @@ -58665,7 +58618,7 @@ because they were dressed identically. didn't you see them? well i think she only had a girl. she had two girls. -yeah four girls +yeah four girls no two girls. they were twins in the buggy and then she had no. @@ -58675,26 +58628,26 @@ maybe a bit older maybe four. i remember seeing one and one she was pushing in front in the in the about oliver's age. yeah. -then she had an older one about five and a half so she had four girls. +then she had an older one about five and a half so she had four girls. flintstones girls. no twins were girls. -they both had pink vests flintstones! +they both had pink vests flintstones! they both had pink baby grows on. they were beautiful babies real model looking babies. -i think with twins -even if they're not nice looking just the fact there's two of them everyone thinks they're wonderful because there's two of them. +i think with twins -even if they're not nice looking just the fact there's two of them everyone thinks they're wonderful because there's two of them. that richard next door looks just like i'm not sure. cos his brother is quite a lot shorter than him. or taller. do they? he looks more english. -did you him? -no +did you him? +no do you want this t-shirt? -well if you're not going to i could wear it to work +well if you're not going to i could wear it to work oh! i tell you what the sleeves will have to be altered why? @@ -58709,7 +58662,7 @@ but i mean well now don't be ridiculous! they're two years old maximum. what the er -the grey yes. +the grey yes. the most they are is two years old. seven or eight years! you talk garbage. @@ -58718,17 +58671,17 @@ yeah. is it still raining? my. years. -maybe some rain -end of september start decorating. +maybe some rain +end of september start decorating. the dining room and sitting room soon. and started to clear the furniture out and everything. hm -they've lifted the carpet up and thrown it away and erm she said erm oh erm. +they've lifted the carpet up and thrown it away and erm she said erm oh erm. we're going to have erm stained floor boards hm floor boards are in a really good condition erm. they better mind their overheads -she said oh you really aught to do it because my my it's such a good idea. +she said oh you really aught to do it because my my it's such a good idea. because you can get rugs so cheaply. so what did he say? so i said we have a house full of rugs because we had rugs we had tiles @@ -58739,16 +58692,16 @@ erm because having erm light erm have coloured dark coloured walls is not a good we really aught to have pale walls in most cases. she said when you decorate you really aught to erm my -get rid of erm you really aught not to have dark walls you really aught to have erm pale we was going to paint the whole house white. +get rid of erm you really aught not to have dark walls you really aught to have erm pale we was going to paint the whole house white. sort of like our erm like the most of our downstairs was in the other house apart from the sitting room, yeah yeah yeah yeah. -but she said but having white you know most people you speak to say oh white you shouldn't have white because of this and because of that. +but she said but having white you know most people you speak to say oh white you shouldn't have white because of this and because of that. you see? this this this oliver! what are y' doing? -i putting this hurting me. +i putting this hurting me. i get blamed. -'cause when you hurt yourself or i touch you you go crying to mummy saying that daddy's hurt you don't you? +'cause when you hurt yourself or i touch you you go crying to mummy saying that daddy's hurt you don't you? yes. i'll do it to richard. you go and do it to richard next door. @@ -58766,7 +58719,7 @@ hm. all right then.come on then up to bed.. no. i'm going to get on you. -he rolls around on me you know my cheeks my ears and my hair doesn't he? +he rolls around on me you know my cheeks my ears and my hair doesn't he? i don't know. he's never done it to me. oh! @@ -58845,12 +58798,12 @@ no you're not you sit with us. no i not i sit over here. do you mind and sit at the table i going to sit here. -look we have got special bread now come on and sit at the table with us, +look we have got special bread now come on and sit at the table with us, i don't want to. i want to sit here. no. it's too messy to sit there. -come on you've got ketchup and you've got special your favourite bread pitta bread. +come on you've got ketchup and you've got special your favourite bread pitta bread. mm. no i going to sit here. i like to sit here. @@ -58860,11 +58813,11 @@ come on. i want to sit here. well you'll have nothing then. go to bed. -i am sick to +i am sick to i am not playing don't speak to him like that. do you want daddy to do you some bread? -go and get your knife and fork on your table +go and get your knife and fork on your table anybody like a drink? mm. yes. @@ -58898,18 +58851,18 @@ naughty bad boys. oliver don't do it any more. come on. no no no no. -if you do it oliver +if you do it oliver come on put this glass down . stop it. drink it can i get down what do you say? -willie willie come on goodness me. +willie willie come on goodness me. willie willie goodness me. willie willie goodness me how does willie climb the tree? -i'm gonna me. +i'm gonna me. can he get up? no he can't. willie willie can you climb the tree? @@ -58922,7 +58875,7 @@ i like to watch i think you'd like to watch nothing at all 'cause you have what you want on every day. no i want to see pardon? -i want to watch +i want to watch is that bread in there? see i miss everything here poor mummy. @@ -58936,8 +58889,8 @@ yes and pinocchio and scooby doo and robin hood i don't like and batman and robin and rescuers and ghostbusters. that's all you want to watch isn't it? -is it i don't i don't i don't like i don't like robin -bruback brubaker's on at quarter to eleven. +is it i don't i don't i don't like i don't like robin +bruback brubaker's on at quarter to eleven. i don't like sword and stone no do they @@ -58959,7 +58912,7 @@ up to six months. but i six months? -yes but i decided i didn't like it so i didn't put in any. +yes but i decided i didn't like it so i didn't put in any. but when i didn't put any you said why can't we have it with the onions any more and i said you said it gave you indigestion. hm in future you decide exactly what you want to eat and you tell me what you want in it. @@ -58988,7 +58941,7 @@ it's not willie it's all the time every week you say something about something. you tell me what you'd like to eat exactly in future and if i feel like doing it i'll do it. and if i don't feel like doing it you can do something yourself. ah. -don't it's our anniversary +don't it's our anniversary can you read this one? which one? dummy. @@ -59013,7 +58966,7 @@ which we'll find out in a moment. he hurried out into the garden but to his disappointment he couldn't see a pear tree anywhere let alone one with a partridge in it. he gazed hopefully at mr brown's apple tree. -but apart from a few sparrows and a robin redbreast the branches were bare. +but apart from a few sparrows and a robin redbreast the branches were bare. paddington made his way back in doors. and no sooner was he inside when he heard mrs brown singing that her true love had sent four calling birds three french hens two turtle doves not to mention another partridge in a pear tree. hm @@ -59027,7 +58980,7 @@ paddington decided that browns must have a very rich friend indeed if he could a it made his list look very small. he couldn't afford much more than a set of plastic rings let alone five gold ones. over the next few days the mystery deepened. -seven swans swimming arrived and disappeared again before paddington had a chance to see them. +seven swans swimming arrived and disappeared again before paddington had a chance to see them. he even tried looking in the oven but mrs bird drove him out of her kitchen with her feather duster. eight maids a milking came and went where's he gone? @@ -59049,10 +59002,10 @@ i can see that you are very worried about something. mrs bird has fallen in love with a very rich man who has lots of servants and keeps birds said paddington. he sent all sorts of christmas presents but as fast as they arrive they disappear. mr grover listened carefully as paddington told him the story. -i think mr brown he said at last if you go back to number thirty two windsor gardens you'll probably find that he has sent eleven as well. +i think mr brown he said at last if you go back to number thirty two windsor gardens you'll probably find that he has sent eleven as well. paddington gazed at mr grover in astonishment. he was used to his friends knowing the answers to his problems but this was the fastest ever. -he finished his cocoa as quickly as possible and he was about to leave when to his surprise mr grover began pulling the blind down over his shop door. +he finished his cocoa as quickly as possible and he was about to leave when to his surprise mr grover began pulling the blind down over his shop door. you see mr brown he explained they haven't really been getting presents. they've all been joining in singing a christmas carol but you have given me an idea for your present but you'll have to hurry though -it's christmas eve. a lot of the shops will be closing early. @@ -59105,16 +59058,16 @@ i think it's a birthday party for oliver. it isn't not for you. but for oliver the little doggie in the book. -what one for that one? +what one for that one? that's right. it's not a doggie is it? no well who is it? it's it's not a doggie what is he? -he she's a doggie +he she's a doggie she's a doggie and what's he? -erm he's reefer. +erm he's reefer. mm and what is he? erm a little boy? @@ -59125,7 +59078,7 @@ isn't he.? er what's that? somebody's hand. whose his hand? -erm 's hand. +erm 's hand. mm well have you finished your breakfast? you haven't have you? @@ -59142,7 +59095,7 @@ right are you watching play bus? no? yes. that's very hot. -no read a story +no read a story well i can't read a story while the television's on. if you want to watch play bus you sit and watch it. if you want me to read you a story i turn play bus off. @@ -59222,12 +59175,12 @@ who who bought this? mummy and daddy bought it. where did it came from? it comes from the gap -it came from one boy's garden. +it came from one boy's garden. don't be silly. how can a sweat shirt come from a garden? it came from some boy's garden. i told you that. -and she's bringing alia and adem to play with you we're just going to beckenham because we have to go to a shop there. +and she's bringing alia and adem to play with you we're just going to beckenham because we have to go to a shop there. what shop? a clothes shop. and we need to go to the bank too. @@ -59237,8 +59190,8 @@ digging up the road all over the place. what's in the road? no. the big digger is holding up all the traffic. -there's no -where's that way mummy? +there's no +where's that way mummy? pardon? there's a big digger there. hm @@ -59262,9 +59215,9 @@ do you mean what am i waiting for? hm well the traffic lights are red. what does red mean? -erm what does green mean? +erm what does green mean? what does green mean? -erm go. +erm go. green means go. that's right so what does red mean? red means erm @@ -59313,12 +59266,12 @@ come on then what's it called mum? pardon? what 's that called? -that's called that what +that's called that what are these pardon? it's my toy. i know darling but no -it fell down i am not in it. +it fell down i am not in it. pardon? i am not in this book. i can't understand you @@ -59327,7 +59280,7 @@ you can show me? in this book. you can show me whose in this book? yes you can as soon as you're dressed can't you? -hm +hm come to mummy. come on then. you can't get me. @@ -59341,11 +59294,11 @@ yes. trying to get away from my face. you're trying to get away from your face? yes. -that's making a fuss aren't you? +that's making a fuss aren't you? do you hurting me? i am not hurting you. i am giving you a wash. -where's that bear? +where's that bear? i don't know is that a king? not a king. why you saying that? @@ -59370,19 +59323,19 @@ where's oliver gone? where's oliver gone? he is in . making tape. -oliver doesn't do his jumper there he is. +oliver doesn't do his jumper there he is. there's oliver. do you like your nice new sweat suit. who bought it? mummy and daddy bought it. why's the tape on? -i'm sure erm why i don't know. +i'm sure erm why i don't know. it comes from the gap. -it comes from the boy's garden. +it comes from the boy's garden. don't be silly. how can a sweat shirt come from a garden? it came from that boy's garden. -like i told you that you're a peter pan. +like i told you that you're a peter pan. you look like peter pan. you look like peter pan. don't you? @@ -59394,7 +59347,7 @@ i haven't finished getting you dressed. i haven't. because your jumping. your sweat shirt isn't tucked in. is it in now? -now at the neck. +now at the neck. don't run away. oh. oliver come on sweetie. @@ -59417,14 +59370,14 @@ i will leave you alone now. let me go on my own right off we go. jack and jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water. -jill fall down and broke his crown jack and jill went to hill to fetch a pail of water jack fell down and broke his crown and jill came tumbling after. +jill fall down and broke his crown jack and jill went to hill to fetch a pail of water jack fell down and broke his crown and jill came tumbling after. are you gonna have a major pig out on biscuits, or are you gonna wait and have your dinner? or just eat biscuits and have no dinner? no. i'd sooner have dinner. we've got this. what d'you want with it? -salad or or potatoes and peas. +salad or or potatoes and peas. umm. i might have some salad. d'you want it now? @@ -59460,7 +59413,7 @@ mm. then, that's it, it's done. you know it's sorted out. yeah. -and if we can afford to send him to bishop challener or wherever then i mean if we can't, thing is at bishop challener we wanted to ge- reserve a place now and just pay fifty pounds. +and if we can afford to send him to bishop challener or wherever then i mean if we can't, thing is at bishop challener we wanted to ge- reserve a place now and just pay fifty pounds. if we don't send him we don't get it back. and what we could do is keep him at saint christopher's if we can afford to send him privately, keep him at saint christopher's for a couple of years. then get him into bishop challener as soon as they've got a place. @@ -59468,17 +59421,17 @@ mm. but if we can't then we take him out of saint christopher's next year and put him in a state school. it all, just all depends and a year's a long time isn't it? just wait and see what happens, you don't know, it all depends on you doesn't it . -if you go away then as soon as you know that you're going we'll send off registration for bishop challener and that's it and we can send off a year's a year's umm fees in advance can't we? +if you go away then as soon as you know that you're going we'll send off registration for bishop challener and that's it and we can send off a year's a year's umm fees in advance can't we? yeah. no problem. -the best thing to do would be to put away five years' worth of umm fees in a high interest building society account and just have a direct debit taken out every term and the fees to go out wouldn't it. +the best thing to do would be to put away five years' worth of umm fees in a high interest building society account and just have a direct debit taken out every term and the fees to go out wouldn't it. cos if we put sort of ten thousand away the interest would be paying for the fees all the time wouldn't it? eh? yeah. that would be the best thing. it would be just done and done with then and there would be no question of not being able to afford it would there? just wait and see what happens. -i'm just gonna ring up cos mum couldn't get through yesterday so she's given me her credit card number to order things. +i'm just gonna ring up cos mum couldn't get through yesterday so she's given me her credit card number to order things. one of the schools that phoned up, scotts avenue or scotts park wear a really nice uniform, saw a little girl when i was out today. did you? red and white check dress she had on and a big red sweatshirt with scotts park on the front. @@ -59508,21 +59461,21 @@ she thought it was lovely. she said a couple of those tall things are umm are weeds. foxgloves which are poisonous. yeah? -and maybe if you feel up to it one evening this week you could go round and give it a dig up. -i mean if i tell you where i want dug over, then if you're not working at the weekend, we can umm dig everything over and then, cos i mean that area down there, it would take no time at all for you to pave. +and maybe if you feel up to it one evening this week you could go round and give it a dig up. +i mean if i tell you where i want dug over, then if you're not working at the weekend, we can umm dig everything over and then, cos i mean that area down there, it would take no time at all for you to pave. no. you don't have to concrete them in, just put them in sand like you did before. like you did under the pagoda . cos anyway we used to walk on those and sit under there and it wasn't, didn't move did it? did she like me barbecue? mm. -she said oh been saying he's gonna build one for five years but he's never got round to it. +she said oh been saying he's gonna build one for five years but he's never got round to it. and she likes the house? yeah. -she's definitely gonna have umm a conservatory put on. -at the moment they use their sitting room umm as just somewhere to put toys and washing and, just haven't decorated it or anything the dining room is still used like a living room, and what they really need is another room where they can. +she's definitely gonna have umm a conservatory put on. +at the moment they use their sitting room umm as just somewhere to put toys and washing and, just haven't decorated it or anything the dining room is still used like a living room, and what they really need is another room where they can. cos all their bedrooms are used up so they haven't got. -what they really need is another room where they can put like the bigger toys you know. +what they really need is another room where they can put like the bigger toys you know. cos she said, didn't she say she wanted to move again? they do want to move, but just can't afford it. because she doesn't earn much. @@ -59539,8 +59492,8 @@ same colour as the one they sold to . yeah. i think they bought it with his redundancy money didn't they? i don't know. -where's the flowers upstairs. -i put them on the umm landing window. +where's the flowers upstairs. +i put them on the umm landing window. they look really nice cos of the red curtain. i brought them down here but there isn't anywhere to put them. does ann like it round here? @@ -59551,7 +59504,7 @@ she said i can't let them do playdo i can't let them do painting she's just got mind you, if we went back in our house now it would look so much smaller wouldn't it? yeah but we had the conservatory didn't we? mhm. -and i said to her having the conservatory does give you a lot more extra space. +and i said to her having the conservatory does give you a lot more extra space. but then we've always had a spare bedroom haven't we, only having the one child. mhm. whereas they've had both bedrooms full up. @@ -59575,7 +59528,7 @@ she was almost in the pond. and ann said come away. no i'm just looking. she, she wouldn't do it, she wouldn't come away. -and ann just, oh you'll fall in. +and ann just, oh you'll fall in. what about odem? was he playing? mhm. @@ -59583,7 +59536,7 @@ he just laughs all the time. i know. they're really messy children. they dribble. -i don't know whether it's cos they're so sort of worked up that they've got no control over what they're doing but umm . +i don't know whether it's cos they're so sort of worked up that they've got no control over what they're doing but umm . you gonna have your pizza? are you? you keep him awake. @@ -59610,9 +59563,9 @@ lady and the tramp? it's called is it? i haven't seen this one before. -you don't do you? +you don't do you? pardon? -you don't do you? +you don't do you? no i don't. merlin. mad . @@ -59635,7 +59588,7 @@ in bed, did you, yes. you had a nice long sleep. is that right? where they going? -they're going they're flying. +they're going they're flying. and what, what house he going? i don't know what house they're going to. they're going @@ -59693,7 +59646,7 @@ i'm sick to death of you being rude to me. the swords are going in the bin. i didn't realise this programme was still running? it's so boring. -. aah watching television was so exciting. +. aah watching television was so exciting. no films on. sam, why don't you go and chase frogs? he spends almost his whole time sitting by the pond. @@ -59706,7 +59659,7 @@ i think she said half eleven. you never know. she said there wasn't anything at the moment . she wanted to come and see me anyway so she's got all my details on record. -always makes me laugh the way he sounds so surprised that announcing record profits and asking customers to pay more. +always makes me laugh the way he sounds so surprised that announcing record profits and asking customers to pay more. how are they making record profits? by customers paying more. mm? @@ -59720,7 +59673,7 @@ i hurt my shoulder when i was having a shower. did you? how did you do that? i don't know. -i think i must have twisted round to get the shampoo awkward . +i think i must have twisted round to get the shampoo awkward . is the heating on? no, i haven't put it on. you cold? @@ -59772,14 +59725,14 @@ mm. two ones aren't i. no. there we are. -sit down in the corner nice breakfast. +sit down in the corner nice breakfast. you must be a hungry boy. well it doesn't matter you can look at it afterwards. . be careful. don't get it in your breakfast. it's a new book isn't it? -well look, if we put teddy on there okay. +well look, if we put teddy on there okay. put teddy like that. . here, have your breakfast then we'll have a nice bath cos mummy's got a lady coming to see her today about a job. i'm full up now. @@ -59793,7 +59746,7 @@ yes. where are you going today? i don't know. you don't know then do you? -you're going to nursery! +you're going to nursery! take my cones. oh you can take your cones if you want to. i will take my lunch box. @@ -59810,7 +59763,7 @@ i take my books as well. well i don't think you ought to take your books to nursery do you? they might get lost. i tell you what you can take. -you can take those umm those facey yoghurt pots can't you. +you can take those umm those facey yoghurt pots can't you. the ones with the umm daffy duck on the front. you can take them in to mrs wilkins and maybe she could do something with them. do you want to put everything in your lunch box ready? @@ -59864,7 +59817,7 @@ well if we can put them in little bags, ooh oooh. right get up back on the stool then. yeah. -if we put them in little bags i think there's some more in the grass outside. +if we put them in little bags i think there's some more in the grass outside. see if we can collect some more before we go and get some more. well you'll have to go and get some shoes to put on. @@ -59876,7 +59829,7 @@ are here. right, as soon as we've done this then we'll have to go and have a, you can have a bath and mummy can have a shower because i've got a lady coming to see me about a job. what job? well i don't yet she's gonna come round and see me to tell me what sort of job. -and then when she's gone +and then when she's gone mm. i'll take you to nursery. okay? @@ -59915,7 +59868,7 @@ i'm full up now. are you? i'm full up now. well put the gingerbread man back in the bag then. -don't you want to keep your umm doughnut until you get home and you can have a nice drink? +don't you want to keep your umm doughnut until you get home and you can have a nice drink? d'you have a drink when you're at nursery? did you? what drink did you have? @@ -59935,7 +59888,7 @@ pardon? what's cowboys got? what've they got? what cowboys? -umm horses and hats and guns. +umm horses and hats and guns. and what guns do? well guns are very, very nasty. they go peeow peeow. @@ -59974,41 +59927,41 @@ are you eating this yoghurt? what's that mummy? bang. umm, what we do, we're owned by grattans. -we deliver parcels, all parcels for grattans and we also deliver for the next directory as well. -and it's self employment so the couriers that we er supplied with the parcels with are the p- umm er, they're liable for tax and insurance if any is due, i mean earn a certain amount of money before you start +we deliver parcels, all parcels for grattans and we also deliver for the next directory as well. +and it's self employment so the couriers that we er supplied with the parcels with are the p- umm er, they're liable for tax and insurance if any is due, i mean earn a certain amount of money before you start yeah. -and the rest of it's up that is something that you'd have to find out +and the rest of it's up that is something that you'd have to find out but you are the who me? yeah. no, i'm o , i i'm employed by grattans, and grattans employ. -anyway grattan owns the courier. +anyway grattan owns the courier. yeah. we own the depots. -in fact we could be called grattan couriers but we call it, we're called direct line. -grattan direct line and we're just like a company grattan but grattan own it sort of thing and basically what it is, it's a daily delivery to the door. +in fact we could be called grattan couriers but we call it, we're called direct line. +grattan direct line and we're just like a company grattan but grattan own it sort of thing and basically what it is, it's a daily delivery to the door. mhm. and we work in postcode areas. mhm. and we, well we work it all into sections so that in your postcode, in v r 1 mhm. -it's divided much easier to show you i think. +it's divided much easier to show you i think. right, take v r 1, okay it's that big slash line round there,in there. yeah. okay? now in v r 1 split up into five pieces. postcodes v r 1 one something something, two something something, three or whatever. -shut up can i have a sarnie? +shut up can i have a sarnie? do you want one? in a minute yeah i'll have one later, not just yet though i didn't think you had any well i think joanne's put some in -come on we're pretty quiet this side go on +come on we're pretty quiet this side go on go on -ooh come on you reds +ooh come on you reds come on -oh go on +oh go on whey hey actually neil ah? @@ -60017,18 +59970,18 @@ can't you see? well no not quite do you want to stand there? no, no i'm alright i only wanna see goal, that's what i wanna see there when it goes in the goal there.. -go on hooray +go on hooray come on eh? hit it -go on get it up there, go on get it up there for christ sake eh er christ getting cold darren? +go on get it up there, go on get it up there for christ sake eh er christ getting cold darren? no gonna sit up here ah? gonna sit up here bloody hell go on keep it there, go on, keep it going, oh dear -ah come on let's see some bloody goals too far, too far oh we've got a throw in now, eh? +ah come on let's see some bloody goals too far, too far oh we've got a throw in now, eh? yeah throw in, yeah eh? eh? @@ -60040,11 +59993,11 @@ come on come on for crying out loud i wish they'd hurry up and score neil eh? -i wish they'd hurry up and score, corner where you going with this one now, oh dear, ooh christ well they ha come on +i wish they'd hurry up and score, corner where you going with this one now, oh dear, ooh christ well they ha come on come on go on, oh don't, -why didn't he get the bloody thing up there then that's -hand ball get it, go on come on +why didn't he get the bloody thing up there then that's +hand ball get it, go on come on come on, come on cor strewth, fuck it, oh mind the tape go on @@ -60052,14 +60005,14 @@ go on by christ go on go on have a go, cor, good -no seventeen minutes gone and no bloody goal yet eh +no seventeen minutes gone and no bloody goal yet eh eh, ah stuart, eh just there, grab his leg ah toe the line mate get it out -get it out go on +get it out go on go on -ooh didn't, neil didn't you say he don't like football +ooh didn't, neil didn't you say he don't like football he liked it but he just didn't want to come oh thought there'd be violence @@ -60071,24 +60024,24 @@ no, he don't get, he don't the job no, he, he seems to think different now no, only you start trying to look after -oh yeah, sort the buggers out well they're all quiet down there then, what they waiting for then now? +oh yeah, sort the buggers out well they're all quiet down there then, what they waiting for then now? christmas -go on jesus bloody christ how could he of missed that come on tim bloody three year old wouldn't of missed that -come on you reds, come on you reds, come on you reds -oh, straight into his bloody arms oh there's a bit of a curve on it, no he won't get that +go on jesus bloody christ how could he of missed that come on tim bloody three year old wouldn't of missed that +come on you reds, come on you reds, come on you reds +oh, straight into his bloody arms oh there's a bit of a curve on it, no he won't get that go on what? come on -come on, no, come on neil go on, oh he's -oh when the saints, when the saints go marching in come on you reds, come on you reds, come on you reds +come on, no, come on neil go on, oh he's +oh when the saints, when the saints go marching in come on you reds, come on you reds, come on you reds come on yeah i know, yeah oh dear, come on go on ooh, jesus wake up man come on -what the hell are they doing, oh for bloody hell sake i don't know, what are they bloody doing there come on -ha hello hey, hey, got a ticket? +what the hell are they doing, oh for bloody hell sake i don't know, what are they bloody doing there come on +ha hello hey, hey, got a ticket? got a ticket mate? get him out naughty boy, naughty boy, naughty boy @@ -60103,7 +60056,7 @@ eh? they're yours? yeah they're the only ones in there are they? -oh perhaps i haven't got me other bag then neil +oh perhaps i haven't got me other bag then neil i doubt it, he slipped go on ah @@ -60115,7 +60068,7 @@ oh well what a bloody come on you reds, come on you reds i don't fucking believe it -come on your reds, come on you reds +come on your reds, come on you reds must be happy now oh, go on no @@ -60133,7 +60086,7 @@ four of them in there come on come on shaun, go on now come on shaun -oh, oh well done +oh, oh well done oh oh god they're right low in the league aren't they? @@ -60145,11 +60098,11 @@ is it over? oh oh come on er by bloody christ, they've got more backs than bloody forwards i think -oh go on +oh go on oh where is it? come on -oh come on, lazy lot of buggers you, come on ah, jesus christ, bloody wrap up +oh come on, lazy lot of buggers you, come on ah, jesus christ, bloody wrap up yeah yeah well, yeah, good business they're getting @@ -60161,21 +60114,21 @@ feet high, bit high, keep those feet down come on go on bloody hell -you're a rubbish manager, go back to reading ah you reds +you're a rubbish manager, go back to reading ah you reds come on shaun -come on shaun well done alan, come on noddy pull your socks up, come on +come on shaun well done alan, come on noddy pull your socks up, come on no i didn't bring a picnic basket you know er they should be able to get where they gone? oh are you going? -yeah eh +yeah eh oh god what happened to his coffee, what's happened to his coffee, too much coffee in it do what? too much coffee in it -again, no thanks, no if he don't like it he can make it himself +again, no thanks, no if he don't like it he can make it himself who's that john ? no jack eh? @@ -60211,7 +60164,7 @@ oh well, yeah that's a point she's got, she's got one of my rolls has she? well go and see if you can get it, i'll keep your place for you mate can't get through there -yes you will, go on david where's, where's your programme mate? +yes you will, go on david where's, where's your programme mate? in me bag let's have a look mate you've got one and all @@ -60221,46 +60174,46 @@ you who? no i ain't i've, i've bought two -you've bought two, well let's have a look at yours mate then excuse me +you've bought two, well let's have a look at yours mate then excuse me i've bought two, one for you and one for me alright then, what did you do that for then? cos you paid for me to get in -oh can you see alright down there david? +oh can you see alright down there david? what? can you see alright down there? yeah good oh -boo come on you reds -yeah, david you might +boo come on you reds +yeah, david you might do you? no where's all your hey -yeah come on, for christ sake better luck jason +yeah come on, for christ sake better luck jason we're one now what for? who's offside, who's offside for crying out loud? rubbish, oh no wonder ref don't like you very much fine -ah come on, oh +ah come on, oh oh dear oh dear oh dear, it's unbelievable innit? what you trying to do? that's good come on -oh well done matty here we go no good, good decision, not bad ref +oh well done matty here we go no good, good decision, not bad ref that was a foul there -ah come on oh no don't book him, these are home, it's got mayonnaise i think +ah come on oh no don't book him, these are home, it's got mayonnaise i think when the saints go marching in oh when go marching in i wanna be in that number oh when the saints go marching in, oh when the saints oh when the saints go marching in -oh when the saints go marching in, i wanna be in that number oh when the saints -come on you reds ha, come on -come on you reds, come on you reds -come on +oh when the saints go marching in, i wanna be in that number oh when the saints +come on you reds ha, come on +come on you reds, come on you reds +come on did you see that? -come on for christ sakes get in there +come on for christ sakes get in there quick come on you reds, come on you reds get in there, come on @@ -60270,17 +60223,17 @@ where the bloody are you ah you pillock come on come on -this is a football match at southampton, southampton versus bolton, mind the language twenty sixth of the second, ninety-two goal kick go on +this is a football match at southampton, southampton versus bolton, mind the language twenty sixth of the second, ninety-two goal kick go on come on you reds, come on you reds, come on you reds go on, go on oh no didn't get on with it that's right -oh oh yes +oh oh yes go on, go on -ha idiot -off, off, off, off, off ah? +ha idiot +off, off, off, off, off ah? come on for half an hour this i'd better see how much @@ -60288,44 +60241,44 @@ go on then, oh come on come on come on pick it up -come on you reds no +come on you reds no come on you reds, come on you reds watch good boy come on far side, far side -no here we go, here we go -oh jesus i thought that was it what's he doing, get it up here oh come on +no here we go, here we go +oh jesus i thought that was it what's he doing, get it up here oh come on boo come on there come on alan come on oh my god what are they dead or what? -i don't know hello what's happening there then? +i don't know hello what's happening there then? come on you reds -oh who are they, a ticket? +oh who are they, a ticket? yeah good come on you reds, come on you reds, come on you reds -come on son, come on +come on son, come on he'll break his bloody leg come on then well done cor it's all play at that bloody end innit? come on play, oh christ, come on come on -oh, what are they bloody playing at for, and don't say bloody football either -come on come on you reds +oh, what are they bloody playing at for, and don't say bloody football either +come on come on you reds come on rubbish, they're more like -no what's he a bolton supporter? -go on, oh sugar i heard that +no what's he a bolton supporter? +go on, oh sugar i heard that come on you reds come on good catch yeah -here they go ha -ran foot style come on ee bloody good on the post, go on mickey, go on they're not special he's a bit or rough +here they go ha +ran foot style come on ee bloody good on the post, go on mickey, go on they're not special he's a bit or rough oh no i don't know, rubbish you warm enough neil? @@ -60335,7 +60288,7 @@ yeah go on for crying out loud what were they thinking of? -come on you reds, come on you reds, come on you reds +come on you reds, come on you reds, come on you reds ha come on go on @@ -60344,14 +60297,14 @@ and again, and again come on no good save weren't it? bloody good, bloody good save that was -when the saints go marching in, i wanna be in that number, oh when the saints go marching in +when the saints go marching in, i wanna be in that number, oh when the saints go marching in control it, control it control it go on terry go on terry go on for christ sakes -come on you reds, come on you reds +come on you reds, come on you reds come on then go on come on @@ -60359,32 +60312,32 @@ go on jason oh oh black bastards, oh black bastards, oh black bastards better not. -come on physio wasting more time oh dear, oh dear +come on physio wasting more time oh dear, oh dear oh, oh when the saints go marching in, oh when the saints, go marching in, oh when the saints go marching in, i wanna be in that number, oh when the saints go marching in go on, ha, brilliant oh you idiot he's off, he's off come on you rubbish team -oh when the saints, oh when the saints go marching in oh when the saints go marching in, oh when the saints go marching in, i wanna be in that number +oh when the saints, oh when the saints go marching in oh when the saints go marching in, oh when the saints go marching in, i wanna be in that number go on -oh when the saints go marching in +oh when the saints go marching in come on i'll you what er keep, keep what? -come on you reds, come on you reds +come on you reds, come on you reds you got a programme? nine minutes left eh? nine minutes left -yeah they're gonna get a goal in a minute -oh when the saints, oh when the saints go marching in, i wanna be in that number oh when the saints go marching in +yeah they're gonna get a goal in a minute +oh when the saints, oh when the saints go marching in, i wanna be in that number oh when the saints go marching in for christ sake come on here they come get there, get there -oh +oh eh? oh yeah i know well @@ -60401,25 +60354,25 @@ well what a waste of bloody corner, weren't it? can't even kick a ball over, i can't believe it a bunch of bloody wankers oh dear, oh dear, oh dear -cor, oh they are mate for saturday +cor, oh they are mate for saturday go on now, that's it -go on get in, stuck in, for crying out sodding loud yeah +go on get in, stuck in, for crying out sodding loud yeah go on go on make it, make it -go on what's that eighty, or eighty three? +go on what's that eighty, or eighty three? eighty -eighty, yeah come on now, go on -well done alan come on get it away, oh god +eighty, yeah come on now, go on +well done alan come on get it away, oh god then a wide get out, get out, bastard what are they playing at for crying sodding loud -come on serves them right +come on serves them right fuck it -serves them right my makes you wanna fucking cry don't it, ah? +serves them right my makes you wanna fucking cry don't it, ah? ooh yeah, come on might as well -ah come on, just bloody get on with it, they had to fucking score didn't they? +ah come on, just bloody get on with it, they had to fucking score didn't they? they had to score oh i know, you could see it coming though couldn't you? it was in the pipeline weren't it? @@ -60428,14 +60381,13 @@ you bloody get in go on yeah woo, hoo, hoo, yeah, yeah - good morning thomas. well now aye. what can we do for you today? thank you. what can we do for you today, tom? -ah she's not getting out of bed at all. +ah she's not getting out of bed at all. she's not? no. she's not. @@ -60450,7 +60402,7 @@ it's not doing very good. is it not? no. no it is not. -she that er that cream, and i couldn't doing it any good. +she that er that cream, and i couldn't doing it any good. is it not? no. no. @@ -60464,12 +60416,12 @@ up and down. good days and bad days. aye. up and down. -er i wanted some tablets doctor. +er i wanted some tablets doctor. some tablets? aye. chest trouble, you know. right. -and your your stomach. +and your your stomach. bottle, are you needing some more of that tom? aye aye aye aye er . and your paraven @@ -60481,7 +60433,7 @@ aye, i need them. you need some of them? aye.. now what about alice, is she needing? -aye er er lus lustril +aye er er lus lustril need some of the lustorol lustorol bolterol er and bolterol @@ -60510,7 +60462,7 @@ well nikram was fine thirty years ago, but it, it's too dangerous now. ah, ah, ah. cos er it was alright ah. -way back in the old days but now then, +way back in the old days but now then, er some stella stelladine some stellazine stellazine aye. @@ -60523,7 +60475,7 @@ no. don't know that one. mm. wh what's that one for tom? -er what was that one for?tablets and then capsules. +er what was that one for?tablets and then capsules. oh right, right. capsules. right. @@ -60538,19 +60490,19 @@ aye. that's the one. normax that's that. -and there we are young thomas. +and there we are young thomas. th keep that going for a wee while again. aye. see if we can get her ready for the dancing. mhm. mhm. -er she, she brought up er a, a black it was all, all black. +er she, she brought up er a, a black it was all, all black. mhm. all black. aye. -and er she was gonna er erm . +and er she was gonna er erm . mm. -the black mass she up. +the black mass she up. that's right. that's, that's the voltarol probably doing that to her. voltarol @@ -60562,7 +60514,7 @@ she'll need to watch she doesn't take too many of them. mm. cos they must be a wee bit too strong. ah, aye, aye. -so keep her three a day. +so keep her three a day. no more than three a day and if three a day. aye. @@ -60576,7 +60528,7 @@ aye. and the other ones too? choke her. the other ones. -the er that erm what do you call it erm when you very dangerous. +the er that erm what do you call it erm when you very dangerous. i've been telling her about that and all. aye, tell her about that one as well. aye. @@ -60596,13 +60548,13 @@ so tell her or else. aye, yeah. or else she'll get a punch. -and er what's er what's wrong with her leg at all, is it inflammation did she say? +and er what's er what's wrong with her leg at all, is it inflammation did she say? aha, yeah. inflammation in the ligaments in there. aye, aye. we'll get it cut off and put in the bin, that's what they'll do with it. don't tell her i said that. -don't tell her i said that or she'll be up fighting me . +don't tell her i said that or she'll be up fighting me . er what else er n you got er everything for yourself? @@ -60624,7 +60576,6 @@ okay. right, cheerio. cheerio now. - no, no listen right,fir first is it on? first of all yeah, we can erm, of course it's on, we can go to my house @@ -60640,9 +60591,9 @@ yeah if she isn't in, no, we can go to your house and then go back to kate's house yeah cos she might be in then, yeah -cos she has and, oh yeah +cos she has and, oh yeah and then we can go to the tube station and go up to kilburn -yeah,and then we can switch off and afterwards again, when i've finished and, you know +yeah,and then we can switch off and afterwards again, when i've finished and, you know there's late buses running from johnny go this way @@ -60652,9 +60603,9 @@ oh i wish we were going up to ask, i'll speak to johnny eh er, i'll speak to wakey and johnny -no, suppose i go to this fella, hi, hi, i love you and for wakey i just go oh hi fee, fee i never two time you and everything +no, suppose i go to this fella, hi, hi, i love you and for wakey i just go oh hi fee, fee i never two time you and everything in it?, but you lied -hold on, i, erm, i never two time you, i lied, a +hold on, i, erm, i never two time you, i lied, a oh my god, i don't want you and daniel going mad what? you and daniel @@ -60664,7 +60615,7 @@ oh do you hear no in, in, er before t p, not t p what am i talking about, before registration when we were all in the class, she started shouting at him is it?, why? -she's going, erm because he, he doesn't do anything, yeah, and she's going oh i suppose any other girl would dump you ages ago, you don't know how lucky you are, she just so nice, blah, blah, blah, blah, and he, i say it was so funny and she start shouting at him, that's why he was trying to go oh shut up +she's going, erm because he, he doesn't do anything, yeah, and she's going oh i suppose any other girl would dump you ages ago, you don't know how lucky you are, she just so nice, blah, blah, blah, blah, and he, i say it was so funny and she start shouting at him, that's why he was trying to go oh shut up i heard voices oh i heard voices oh god but what can i do, he doesn't @@ -60673,16 +60624,16 @@ he's too shy boys hey, say yeah i know -and i said to her well don't she doesn't, she doesn't too shy +and i said to her well don't she doesn't, she doesn't too shy why, what did he say? he goes oh i think, i've already changed my mind does she still fancy him? -daniel +daniel that's nice, yes i get -yeah, wait, slow down just walk, walk kilburn okay whoops have you seen they're gonna come up in a minute +yeah, wait, slow down just walk, walk kilburn okay whoops have you seen they're gonna come up in a minute oh no oh sarah get off -what time is it?, what, what, what time is thing? +what time is it?, what, what, what time is thing? i dunno oh i wish we didn't go in there, i don't like going in there @@ -60695,7 +60646,7 @@ do you get to choose your teams?have you been before? no neither have i really itchy -oh shut up don't, right +oh shut up don't, right i reckon i am yeah, everytime you say that i start scratching, she's no @@ -60716,17 +60667,17 @@ what time did you catch a bus? really, really, really, really late well we, we, we never saw it i know -unless we were just kind of indulge in a conversation and we didn't see it +unless we were just kind of indulge in a conversation and we didn't see it that means we'll have to walk there if we go to yeah unless, unless you wanna go to your house, and then you come to my house no -and then come to my house when you +and then come to my house when you you're coming to my house you know yeah, alright, alright at first, are we taking the tube alright?, you walk up and have a look -and then you, us go to your house and look and then and then us go to my house okay and then -yeah, but that's gonna take ages, it's, we're not gonna be able to get up to kilburn on time +and then you, us go to your house and look and then and then us go to my house okay and then +yeah, but that's gonna take ages, it's, we're not gonna be able to get up to kilburn on time why'd you have to go home?, just to get some money, how much is it a pointer? if you two take the yeah, go to my house it's much quicker @@ -60735,13 +60686,13 @@ yeah you can phone your mum, just say you're going up to kilburn no way to buy, to buy some pens or something for school, cos i need to get a pen anyway, so it won't be, you know catch a train now? -no quick increase your pace, increase your pace +no quick increase your pace, increase your pace aha, ah? -increase your pace, increase your pace, only joke, er, normally i'm made amy's coming over this summer +increase your pace, increase your pace, only joke, er, normally i'm made amy's coming over this summer is she? yeah stay at your house? -no +no i'm not having them stay at my house, it's not big enough anyway sarah tonight i'm gonna stay at your house not in my bedroom @@ -60753,14 +60704,14 @@ yeah can i phone from your house? cos it's gonna take way too long, erm, yeah of course sorry i didn't take it in, yeah -of course, what you have to pay +of course, what you have to pay what are you, you're given you're given her permission to phone -yes +yes from my house yeah, yeah do you pay the phone bill? no, you do though -well no i don't, i +well no i don't, i who pays your phone bill? well my nan pays a third, no, a third of it my dad pays a third and my mum pays a third oh @@ -60778,7 +60729,7 @@ but, she prefers for me not to stay on the phone for very long she does yeah cos the phone bill she doesn't like me doing -i don't listen, i mean sorry, i've got a frog in my throat, erm like, she tells me not to stay on the phone too long, but sometimes i have to, okay, not, not necessarily just as a conversation, but, homework and stuff +i don't listen, i mean sorry, i've got a frog in my throat, erm like, she tells me not to stay on the phone too long, but sometimes i have to, okay, not, not necessarily just as a conversation, but, homework and stuff why you walking? because the there's a bus coming about every hour or something, it's quicker to walk @@ -60801,19 +60752,19 @@ i'll have to tell everyone that i don't fancy him any more why?, don't you? no or are you just gonna say that -daniel always keep going +daniel always keep going oh look, i think he's quite flattered, you know no yeah, he is -er he maybe flattered, but no he must be humiliated -i don't think i don't think he's, er, he's not angry or anything he's alright about it -yeah, but, say someone fancied you +er he maybe flattered, but no he must be humiliated +i don't think i don't think he's, er, he's not angry or anything he's alright about it +yeah, but, say someone fancied you yeah, but, you're not ugly are you?, are you? yeah, to his eyes i am how do you know? cos i know he might be secretly -in my dreams, in my dreams in my dreams we kiss right +in my dreams, in my dreams in my dreams we kiss right in my dreams did you? yeah @@ -60822,7 +60773,7 @@ eh, i dunno, when i met him he was quite a quick kiss then cos i didn't really know him before holiday romance -no +no did you? about what about them? @@ -60831,14 +60782,14 @@ mr yeah, he's gonna go bonkers bye see ya -bye she fancies +bye she fancies yeah yeah -yeah have you done your english? +yeah have you done your english? english? yeah what? -as in mr english +as in mr english what did i have to do? extra scenes to that, to that play thing ah @@ -60871,7 +60822,7 @@ roosevelt what? what? i've forgotten now, never mind -don't tell lies +don't tell lies no she likes somebody else actually no, no, not the alarm clock how does he know all of this?, do, do you talk to him?, do you tell him @@ -60885,10 +60836,10 @@ but i know have you lot i know something that you know something, she doesn't know, she knows like, she knows that, she knows that, she knows that, i don't know that, that she know that you know -what i don't know i don't even know what i'm talking about -like this +what i don't know i don't even know what i'm talking about +like this she looks like -only because she one of them +only because she one of them i know, i don't suppose that he doesn't know i know, that he told me, not, no he actually didn't tell me, but yeah are you sure? @@ -60909,7 +60860,7 @@ we've got a we have to go out we've got an extra day , we've got an extra week huh, yeah -yeah, you lot, you lot can speak to where you want +yeah, you lot, you lot can speak to where you want extra week for english eh? extra week for english as well, with miss @@ -60934,7 +60885,7 @@ she's fat and ugly here, you're talking tongue twisted have you seen my very recent oh, see it, some, i can't remember who it was, somebody thought she was dead -why, i don't want to see a cos everytime when i see her again it reminds me of roosevelt +why, i don't want to see a cos everytime when i see her again it reminds me of roosevelt reminds me of roosevelt you're gonna say that, in it but, she never used to have short hair did she? @@ -60962,7 +60913,7 @@ no, you're not a virgin no, i'm not gonna tell ya no, why? maybe she's ugly -people say that you went out with is that true? +people say that you went out with is that true? no yeah, yeah, yeah alright then, so, yeah, i'll get you @@ -60972,15 +60923,15 @@ cos, turn that off for a minute and i keep on saying, yeah it's true cos what? because erm, i don't, i don't want to -oh go on come +oh go on come no, no i'm only going into woolworths -yeah, i'm going into woolworths, you have to go to as well +yeah, i'm going into woolworths, you have to go to as well i'm going home because i don't really alright yeah okay -no, it's personal only joke -you know for my to school and i like to say something about you know who oh it's true +no, it's personal only joke +you know for my to school and i like to say something about you know who oh it's true where did you get that from? that? aha @@ -60995,12 +60946,12 @@ good why? better not you know you can listen if you want, only joking, no, i don't think i can do that, i'm allowed to listen to it, i have to record it at home you know as well -it'll be funny mr knows about it, he might let me record the lessons that'll be quite good +it'll be funny mr knows about it, he might let me record the lessons that'll be quite good there won't be much to discuss doing it again eh? there won't be much to discuss -what in the lessons?, yeah, because you get to hear everybody speaking and everything erm +what in the lessons?, yeah, because you get to hear everybody speaking and everything erm i wonder where kate got to? do you wanna go woolworths now then? yeah, i'm not going @@ -61017,14 +60968,14 @@ shall we go my house first? yeah then to your house so, i we're taking the train or walking? -hello we're going, well i'm gonna go home and then i'm gonna come up +hello we're going, well i'm gonna go home and then i'm gonna come up yeah oh i'm just alright, i might see you in a minute then okay love, bye bye, bye bye, she's walking there? -she didn't come with us, she, er, we lost her then, we lost her i don't know where she's going +she didn't come with us, she, er, we lost her then, we lost her i don't know where she's going are you walking or taking the train? what back? now @@ -61033,7 +60984,7 @@ now or coming back up to kilburn? yeah, erm now, shall we walk? we might as well walk if we're here -yeah, otherwise you'll have to walk all the way down the hill +yeah, otherwise you'll have to walk all the way down the hill oh look at the pigeon, urgh so we'll go to your house, go to my house, write a note yeah @@ -61043,17 +60994,17 @@ no, no, no, just where does roosevelt live? er why's he coming down here? -because usually it's a knock away team, game er +because usually it's a knock away team, game er don't or do? -do, i will say, i will tell him about, i always talk about him, right, he's yeah, +do, i will say, i will tell him about, i always talk about him, right, he's yeah, oh you want, you really want me to speak to him? yeah, why?, what?,did,goes what did she say? -she goes, she says like he's, erm, you know, he's always in erm high -she writes for all over her in her books -she say that, and she say that and she's always writing your name over the books and everything, okay, oh yeah, you must ask him if he fancies me and love him and ask him why he don't he phone me that often, ask him that, you must say, right yeah, but don't tell him that i told you to ask him, yeah +she goes, she says like he's, erm, you know, he's always in erm high +she writes for all over her in her books +she say that, and she say that and she's always writing your name over the books and everything, okay, oh yeah, you must ask him if he fancies me and love him and ask him why he don't he phone me that often, ask him that, you must say, right yeah, but don't tell him that i told you to ask him, yeah i'll just say do you phone her? -yeah, okay, phone her oh and he goes yes, yes +yeah, okay, phone her oh and he goes yes, yes cos it's important to phone pe he goes, he go you phone her very often, okay, okay yeah @@ -61067,8 +61018,8 @@ do what? you can ask to speak to him and then you pass it over to me after you've spoken, yeah yeah, of course of course, you know, i mean,fo ,fo you know it's sarah -picture him secretly without me knowing -urgh how old is then, fourteen? +picture him secretly without me knowing +urgh how old is then, fourteen? yeah, he's gonna be fifteen this year, he's one year and a half older than me, so, and he goes, i told him okay and he goes you're young, and i goes i know what? what's a matter with you roosevelt? @@ -61087,9 +61038,9 @@ huh? what would you say? don't what's this little bitch over here 's doing?, -i said you, i said i don't go out with and he's saying, she's saying that i do +i said you, i said i don't go out with and he's saying, she's saying that i do let go -why you say i'm going out with +why you say i'm going out with that's what i heard yeah, but who said? just ignore , i'd, i'd ignore the person, what, so if somebody came up to me and said you go out with henry in it? @@ -61100,48 +61051,48 @@ and i'd say you say no man, go go away get a life -exactly, said to that, that person over there +exactly, said to that, that person over there shut up -you'd get a +you'd get a pardon? -you'd get not a new one +you'd get not a new one i said let go man what if they'd get a new yes why? -because she wants +because she wants so we're going to my house first, yeah yeah so it, your, your house, your, it's not too far to your house is it? no, it's only going to take five minutes to get there yeah from your house -alright what number is it? -four and i'll get all the cash out first -i'll have to take my ba my building society book of and get a bit of money out, cos i'm short have to get, have, i've got some money to get just seventeen and like i've got two pounds extra right, and, i'm gonna need some money for the weekend. +alright what number is it? +four and i'll get all the cash out first +i'll have to take my ba my building society book of and get a bit of money out, cos i'm short have to get, have, i've got some money to get just seventeen and like i've got two pounds extra right, and, i'm gonna need some money for the weekend. what shall we do in the weekend?, are you gonna be able to make it this time if we do something? saturday? yeah, can't do much on sunday erm can't you go to chinese school on sunday -i'll have to remember +i'll have to remember oh yeah, if he says yes he will because it helps me out, so i don't say nothing, he says he can't wait -oh look my bags open, tt, i hate this bag it always comes open +oh look my bags open, tt, i hate this bag it always comes open by next monday, you know monday bank holiday, yeah we should go out with, with everybody, us and the boys -oh my god daniel especially -oh course, aha, no, it's, it's not that bad going out with them they act a bit different, not much different, when they're on their own yeah, cos chris came to the cinema by himself with us, with me and kate +oh my god daniel especially +oh course, aha, no, it's, it's not that bad going out with them they act a bit different, not much different, when they're on their own yeah, cos chris came to the cinema by himself with us, with me and kate yeah yeah -he was alright still a bit stupid, but he wasn't as bad as he is in class +he was alright still a bit stupid, but he wasn't as bad as he is in class like when er, when they're only, you know find him civil they're are okay, i mean, right -but with their friends they've gotta show off +but with their friends they've gotta show off yeah -and everything, so there so stupid +and everything, so there so stupid can't be yeah be cool and everything @@ -61164,11 +61115,11 @@ no, he, it was, it was after the party, after the christmas party and everybody oh yeah, yeah so, so then anita goes, no i go tell him to put it in a letter then, yeah, and he was gonna put it in a letter and then he changed his mind and he said he was gonna ask me after school, but then he didn't ask me after school and kate gave him my phone number and then he phoned me yeah -and then he asked me then and erm, he didn't know whether to ask me or not, well he knew, he knew more or less i'd say yes anyway, cos i more, i'd already said yes, but not to his face, so but he didn't know whether to because henry fancied me +and then he asked me then and erm, he didn't know whether to ask me or not, well he knew, he knew more or less i'd say yes anyway, cos i more, i'd already said yes, but not to his face, so but he didn't know whether to because henry fancied me when you ask someone out, i'm scared in case they might say no i know -that's why i'm so excited -what about erm wakey and erm johnny and , are they gonna go to or not +that's why i'm so excited +what about erm wakey and erm johnny and , are they gonna go to or not should we or not? eh? eh? @@ -61180,7 +61131,7 @@ it's best to do it at weekend yeah, more time in it? yeah, do it on the bank holiday yeah -if, if, it's open should we? +if, if, it's open should we? okay come on then, you come into my house yeah? yeah, not for long though @@ -61193,21 +61144,21 @@ he won't really come up to your house i wouldn't think lucas knows where i live lucas? yeah -round my area, that er, you don't have to take one minute, but it +round my area, that er, you don't have to take one minute, but it where is he? i dunno -ooh quick +ooh quick does that he even noticed -he, that you, he, he, he walks in a, in his sleep, i saw him, he's in a daze okay then, i'll just tell my mum put my coat up hello, hi ya +he, that you, he, he, he walks in a, in his sleep, i saw him, he's in a daze okay then, i'll just tell my mum put my coat up hello, hi ya hello hi darling -erm here, erm can we just go up to kilburn?, to get some pens and stuff and i need to get some money out of my +erm here, erm can we just go up to kilburn?, to get some pens and stuff and i need to get some money out of my why didn't you do it on the way home? cos i need to get some money out to get -oh okay where's darling? +oh okay where's darling? upstairs was she alright on saturday? -yeah no, what happen was the alarm went off in their block or something and they all had to go into a room, i don't know +yeah no, what happen was the alarm went off in their block or something and they all had to go into a room, i don't know she's don't know, anyway i'll, i'll be back for dinner, yeah how many sixes in fifty four? @@ -61237,21 +61188,21 @@ because this is, this is mine, mine in my own na , this is my own building socie oh, right cos usually you have to, it is my parents, i've got one in my parents name as well but it's just so when you put your money in you get it out anytime -yeah, look, i'll show you, right it's right to save, yeah, nationwide that +yeah, look, i'll show you, right it's right to save, yeah, nationwide that wow see man -that's, that's just, just what, that's what i put in and take out do you get me, hi you see, you know +that's, that's just, just what, that's what i put in and take out do you get me, hi you see, you know er how much are you taking out? -i don't know how much to take, i might take ten pounds worth or something, i don't need that much why, i need some money for saturday as well don't i?, shouldn't need that much though +i don't know how much to take, i might take ten pounds worth or something, i don't need that much why, i need some money for saturday as well don't i?, shouldn't need that much though i'll, i'll call it my dictionary of slang let's go into woolworths , your dictionary of slang -i need to get a pen oh look i can buy a bed sheet , bed linen anyway, what? +i need to get a pen oh look i can buy a bed sheet , bed linen anyway, what? who? -i always look at food, er +i always look at food, er i know you're food man, mad, man , yeah, erm where's the easter eggs? i don't know do they, have they still got easter eggs, just you like those easter eggs, over there, what? -here we go got to get this +here we go got to get this do they still have easter eggs in here?, i haven't been in here you know since yeah there, idiot @@ -61263,14 +61214,14 @@ forty nine p forty nine? yeah, cos it's half, half that price, forty nine, fifty is that nice though?, jelly in those -i like these ones how much are they?, +i like these ones how much are they?, i like these to, shall i get one? i put, get that and i go urgh in your mouth you know i've already had some of these, we had this, whoops put it in your mouth and it's awful -we had some of them at home, shall i get one of these? +we had some of them at home, shall i get one of these? are they nice? -yeah have you tasted the caramel ones? +yeah have you tasted the caramel ones? yeah, you like it? yeah do you wanna get, shall we, do you wanna get one? @@ -61291,10 +61242,10 @@ it's, it's, it's yuck is it? you're, don't you see erm chris, what's his face on the coach when we went to france, this is what we was going to get i know -kate gob stopper look they've got what we were gonna get +kate gob stopper look they've got what we were gonna get do you like this or not? that one? -yeah do you like? +yeah do you like? love that yeah is it for you? @@ -61305,7 +61256,7 @@ ah yeah gob stopper i'm gonna get some as well you know because i've only got one and it's brown, it's disgusting in it? -get a basket and we, i'm gonna get a lot of sweets, get a basket and put everything inside and i'm looking at +get a basket and we, i'm gonna get a lot of sweets, get a basket and put everything inside and i'm looking at alright put your things inside wow, you can carry it @@ -61314,7 +61265,7 @@ oh i love these me to you know, how much are they?, fifty four have you tried these before? milk chocolate i like these bar, you put, i always chewed them really fast yeah -i like these put it this way i like sweets, oh look they've changed the bow +i like these put it this way i like sweets, oh look they've changed the bow me to they've changed the bow, oh it's a different make isn't it? oh yes @@ -61323,9 +61274,9 @@ how much are they? what one you gonna get? what's it called? you like that? -what were you gonna buy then if you've got a basket eh? +what were you gonna buy then if you've got a basket eh? eh? -what are you gonna buy?, oh kate look how cheap this is two ninety nine +what are you gonna buy?, oh kate look how cheap this is two ninety nine oh i might get it how much are they? what about this one? @@ -61346,9 +61297,9 @@ so erm, cos this is this one yeah that shall i get it?why?, -i'm getting shall i? +i'm getting shall i? take two -you getting one?that's, that's rubbish oh look oh they're only two ninety nine +you getting one?that's, that's rubbish oh look oh they're only two ninety nine no that, that set of it, that game, it's all plastic in, look it's so sweet you're buying one now , there's no easter eggs left, are there? @@ -61369,20 +61320,20 @@ oh the first time i've had one i don't like the orange oh is there orange as ? you can buy orange, but we don't have any here -i'm gonna pay the telephone bill tomorrow a hundred and thirteen pound, fifty nine p -chloe says to me does the post office pay you? -i've got your black +i'm gonna pay the telephone bill tomorrow a hundred and thirteen pound, fifty nine p +chloe says to me does the post office pay you? +i've got your black she said who do you pay the bill to?, to i says the post office, well don't they pay you for having their telephone ah, did she?, and what did you say? all that -i said no, i wished they did but it's +i said no, i wished they did but it's yeah, does she use it a lot? -i dunno she don't +i dunno she don't her and her pictures -when she makes her pictures went to doctor today +when she makes her pictures went to doctor today mum did you? -went to doctor about me neck, you know +went to doctor about me neck, you know yeah and she said it could of been well @@ -61398,10 +61349,10 @@ and he pulled off quick oh, was that what it was and it jerked your head? and it jerked me, but she said it's a muscle been pulled and it's, it keeps spasm so she said er, could of been nasty, said i daren't tell him, cos i says if i tell him it was his fault, i says he'll never give me another ride, it's again thursday night coming back, and his car, you know the car kept, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump yeah -and then friday morning i was off with +and then friday morning i was off with rightio but she's given me some deep cream, she says these spasms she -not +not no she, he doesn't smell oh erm, she made me bend my head and i could only bend it a little way and she could see the spasms @@ -61416,19 +61367,19 @@ that far down and your head to be able to clear some days i can bend alright, it don't hurt and other times i can't i've got to put this cream on twice a day er what can i do for my hand writing project nan? -and she says it can be +and she says it can be i've done like who'd like, mary had a little lamb, jack and jill went up the hill hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle, hickory dickory dock the mouse ran up the clock, one, two, three, four, five, once i caught a fish alive, just those,three times is this your homework? hand writing you don't have to do it though -but that the, the, these are some things i've got, you don't have to answer them my name is emily what is your name?, how are you?, +but that the, the, these are some things i've got, you don't have to answer them my name is emily what is your name?, how are you?, i'm fine, i like swimming, what do you like?, i have two sisters, two big sisters, i have no brothers, do you have any brothers?, and talk, talk slowly -i am ten years old, how +i am ten years old, how there, is, oh, how many years old are you?, -i live with my mum dad, nan and my sisters, who do you live with?, and the class have what class are you in?, +i live with my mum dad, nan and my sisters, who do you live with?, and the class have what class are you in?, i've got the best teacher in the world, do you have a nice teacher?, i am a girl, are you a girl or a boy? correction , i've got the best teacher in the world @@ -61436,15 +61387,15 @@ eh, eh why, what's your teachers name? i've got lots of good teachers erm, poems, this -i never thought she'd settle down in school like she did, did you? +i never thought she'd settle down in school like she did, did you? poem it called she has song with poem huh -what did +what did poem with song pardon didn't you thing i'd set -on thursday, no, on thursday we get the last period off, then we come home, home early on thursday, monday's bank holiday so we don't have the school any school and erm, one day in may you're back with +on thursday, no, on thursday we get the last period off, then we come home, home early on thursday, monday's bank holiday so we don't have the school any school and erm, one day in may you're back with spill your drink all over my work no i'm not well monday is in may @@ -61460,9 +61411,9 @@ accost, a, c sarah, why are you coming home early tomorrow? a c , a c o s t i r x why you coming home early tomorrow? -we're not, it's not tomorrow it's wednesday, we get period one and two off so we only have half day +we're not, it's not tomorrow it's wednesday, we get period one and two off so we only have half day yeah why's that? -cos of english exams, i bet it, it won't +cos of english exams, i bet it, it won't oh could be that one i got you from er brentcross that's the teterous @@ -61475,7 +61426,7 @@ well that's alright no it isn't we're gonna have, i mean, we're gonna have, as we go off we're gonna start giving talks and everything there's a careers then -that's part that's part of our erm exam as well, oral presentations +that's part that's part of our erm exam as well, oral presentations that's alright you'll enjoy that sarah oh i don't like doing all the speeches though @@ -61490,12 +61441,12 @@ oh you're hurting me will you keep still sarah, is it wednesday morning you have off? yeah wednesday morning one period, unless we go in after lunch, for well then you'll only be there fore -no we don't we go in after break +no we don't we go in after break what do we have on wednesday for if it's raining tomorrow yeah what, what'd ya, what'd ya have, you've got french, english, so we have maths and t v and that's it -have you been into the library +have you been into the library yeah do you like it? no @@ -61510,9 +61461,9 @@ right down,then? my dad, yes, when she's already gone. so we're well early today. -i've brought him, i've brought him at half five, because i was at the bus stop, leaning on the lamp-post and it was about twenty five past, and then he didn't come along to the next stop by and it got to twenty five to +i've brought him, i've brought him at half five, because i was at the bus stop, leaning on the lamp-post and it was about twenty five past, and then he didn't come along to the next stop by and it got to twenty five to did you, you went to the one that we usually go to? -yes, not the one. +yes, not the one. yes, but i mean, you see when you walked up from your house, you didn't kate's one? the one that kate goes to sometimes. alright. @@ -61533,7 +61484,7 @@ have you done it anyway? no oh, let me see your history please. windbag -i need to put some more stuff on on course this term. +i need to put some more stuff on on course this term. what did you, did you do like a meal like chicken with potatoes and blaa, blaa, blaa, or did you just miss the foods. i just missed the foods. that's what i did. @@ -61573,7 +61524,7 @@ i've got some up there. have you, have you got potatoes anywhere? no i've got potatoes in the main meal, like chicken and potatoes or something. -all my has been the way it should. +all my has been the way it should. science, what one? my history. history? @@ -61594,22 +61545,22 @@ it's alright, it's not as good as , goodbye . what's another main meal? i put main main what? -main , i was supposed to put would be better than +main , i was supposed to put would be better than erm, you could put chicken with potatoes. i'm going to have my sandwich now. chicken with potatoes? -yes what else was there? +yes what else was there? there was i can go and look at their one. no, no, no, no, wait, what other meat was there? a fishy thing -yes, fish with wasn't it? +yes, fish with wasn't it? why not put grilled fish. what? -grilled fish fish with whatever that was. +grilled fish fish with whatever that was. miquaman how do you spell it? -m i q u a m a n they're my breakfast by the way. +m i q u a m a n they're my breakfast by the way. that's it. are you supposed to put the price? i haven't, no i didn't, i, i don't know what the prices would be anyway. @@ -61619,7 +61570,7 @@ what are the roman coins called? shall we go and have a look then? they've got some good things haven't they now? do they miss their food, or do they do meals? -no they, they done like just like +no they, they done like just like did everybody do it like that? i don't know. where's your badges? @@ -61632,12 +61583,12 @@ we never did that. and er they x-rayed me, and took a urine sample, took a blood sample. er, the doctor chorlton? -chorlton, mhm, he examined me, erm, he, he said now they were on about a slide on my heart. +chorlton, mhm, he examined me, erm, he, he said now they were on about a slide on my heart. mhm, he couldn't find it. -he said it could be anxiety or whatever at hospital, just, so, it's not going to be any, +he said it could be anxiety or whatever at hospital, just, so, it's not going to be any, nothing to worry about. good i'm delighted to hear that. -but he did say that, er, it'll take three weeks before he could and send along. +but he did say that, er, it'll take three weeks before he could and send along. you know, he sees it, he can see the biopsy and all that. yes he says that i might not need to get it, right, because, if, he can only tell half my blood. @@ -61705,7 +61656,6 @@ how tall is everybody supposed to be at the age of ten, that's stupid, that's re just have what you want. well go, i think she's going to be shattered, i'd better wake up jo. oh, mummy. - we people who must vote for the party if we are ever to win power again. so, adopt this report, give the thumbs down to those who want to break the links and support a wider form of democracy where the trade union is paying the levy is not only a valuable member of the party but is valued as well. we've heard the voice of the party professionals, we've heard the voice of the labour leadership, now let's all speak on behalf of the ordinary trade unionists and say with all the force that is necessary on behalf of those millions, men and women, young and old, we support the party, we pay for the party, we have a right to democracy in the party because never forget it is our party too, i move. @@ -61759,13 +61709,13 @@ they say a week in politics is a long time and i now know what they mean. i came to congress with my contribution to this debate firmly fixed in my own mind, but unsure of the view of the leadership of our union, given the views quoted to them in the press as their own. my own view is that the fate of working people, the trade unions and the labour party are one and the same and that any attempt to weaken links between us condemns us all to the same failure. the trade unions depend on effectively representing working people in industrial field for their survival and the labour party has to represent the trade unions for their survival in the political field. -i do not feel therefore, there is any crime for the trade union role in, in the constitutional procedure of the party, whether it be selecting candidates or voting at conference, indeed i feel it is the strength of the movement. +i do not feel therefore, there is any crime for the trade union role in, in the constitutional procedure of the party, whether it be selecting candidates or voting at conference, indeed i feel it is the strength of the movement. which do the so called modernizers of the party prefer, a party of two hundred thousand rift with division and on minority issues or a stable party with the input of four million working people? you tell me which is more democratic. like many i have supported this union's policy my c l p, but also like many i have been hurt and angered by the attempts of some of the party, both nationally and locally to deride and belittle the unions as a thing of the past and not relevant to the party's new media image and that working class issues were not worth presenting at elections because they are unpopular with the tabloids. the modernizers have had their chance. this union has been more than tolerant with them. -we offered them on the basis of them creating a mass membership party. +we offered them on the basis of them creating a mass membership party. this they have plainly not been able to do and yet they still try and bounce us along the same old route through their friends in the media. for many of us, even the options of support registers and levy plus, are schemes whether they are dubious starters. we feel it is now right and proper that the debate is to be had and that our roots, our heritage and our future are defended on our terms and in our forums and not in the editorials of sunday newspapers, and as for les people's letters to the newspapers, and kinnock and co saying to people, individual members, why should the labour party not trust you with the choice of your candidate, it is you who do the work to get them elected, who are they kidding? @@ -61794,17 +61744,17 @@ i move. i'm here again, dick. dave , lancashire region. last time today. -we're talking about three nine six g m b parliamentary panel dick and i'll just have to follow duncan, he had his little rhetoric on the labour party that he's he believes in so much. -well, i also believe, as i said earlier, that we should have p mps who represent the g m b about mps who represent theirselves, for what they can get out of it, what kudos they can get out of it, but leave the activists to do all the work for 'em, to do all the work. +we're talking about three nine six g m b parliamentary panel dick and i'll just have to follow duncan, he had his little rhetoric on the labour party that he's he believes in so much. +well, i also believe, as i said earlier, that we should have p mps who represent the g m b about mps who represent theirselves, for what they can get out of it, what kudos they can get out of it, but leave the activists to do all the work for 'em, to do all the work. therefore if we have activists who are put on the panel alib fi safe seats, marginals or unwinnable seats and we've been in some areas where it's been unwinnable, haven't we dick, we've still canvassed, we've got the votes up,p places like macclesfield where they got nicholas winterton, where they got that racist churchill. we've still been there. but eventually we're gonna get people in, if the c e c take up our recommendations from manchester's one one five branch, that we're gonna get people who represent the members of the g m b, the working class, the people that we want to be represented. with the parliamentary panel now, as it says on the motion, there's a lot up for retirement. there'll be a lot of people vying for those places as well. -i also have seen in oldham near where i live, where an mp was imposed on that was held by lamont for twenty two years, lived in aberdeen i think it was, came to oldham once a week to do his surgery and they put somebody in from the t n g. +i also have seen in oldham near where i live, where an mp was imposed on that was held by lamont for twenty two years, lived in aberdeen i think it was, came to oldham once a week to do his surgery and they put somebody in from the t n g. don't know how it happened, but he got there and he lives in london now. oldham about must be the only place where the l mps have never seen the town. -why not get people that is activists and oldham might well the branch for oldham you've got dave from stockport they've got a mp retiring, they're getting on now, you've had, we've had your time now, for god's sake go you've been there long enough, let's get the activists in, let's get g m b members and let's get this parliament back to what it should be and not the tories. +why not get people that is activists and oldham might well the branch for oldham you've got dave from stockport they've got a mp retiring, they're getting on now, you've had, we've had your time now, for god's sake go you've been there long enough, let's get the activists in, let's get g m b members and let's get this parliament back to what it should be and not the tories. thank you. right colleagues, i now propose to go round the regions and invite regional speakers on the labour party trade union links er document, liverpool, do you wish to put a speaker in? and if it is the intention of regions to put speakers on, especially those regions that are situated at back of congress, if the speakers could come to the front it would save a great deal of time. @@ -61813,7 +61763,7 @@ president, congress. liverpool and north wales support this document. unfortunately colleagues, colleagues from london, from northern ireland sorry, have no say. sorry about that lads. -mind you there's a lot of northern ireland lads in london anyway, erm we think that when our members voted to return the political levy they also voted to continue to have a say in the running of the labour party. +mind you there's a lot of northern ireland lads in london anyway, erm we think that when our members voted to return the political levy they also voted to continue to have a say in the running of the labour party. the labour party was set up by the trade unions and is still funded by the trade unions. the labour party front bench must realize that the ordinary trade union members voted, as i said before, for a say in the party. we'll need to go back to them again shortly. @@ -61835,7 +61785,7 @@ so why should we pander to the media and the right-wingers of the party? the labour party cannot and will not survive without the affiliation of the trade union movement. what the right-wingers are saying is that we will have the trade unions' money but we will not give 'em the right to vote. well i say to them, they can go to hell. -i'm a socialist,i but it's a swear word now, well i am proud to be a socialist so i will stand up and be counted. +i'm a socialist,i but it's a swear word now, well i am proud to be a socialist so i will stand up and be counted. we support the views arrived at by the c e c, we should be proud of our title the labour party and shout from the hi highest rooftops where we live and work. the media campaign mentioned yesterday should be put in into operation immediately. diluting our principles will not get us elected to power. @@ -61884,7 +61834,7 @@ thank you. g m b scotland president, comrades. ian , g m b scotland. -if what gerald said in his address to congress yesterday that he knows of no labour mp who wants to break the links between the party and the unions were absolutely true then there would be no need for this debate today. +if what gerald said in his address to congress yesterday that he knows of no labour mp who wants to break the links between the party and the unions were absolutely true then there would be no need for this debate today. but the harsh reality is that that is not the case. for the last fourteen years the trade union movement has shouldered the blame for the labour party's dismal showing in the general elections. the press blamed us for labour's defeat, the tories blamed us for labour's defeat and now it looks as thought the labour party is blaming us for labour's defeat. @@ -61917,15 +61867,15 @@ i support this ma er motion. southern region. southern region, wanna put a speaker in? okay. -mickey southern region. +mickey southern region. president, congress. supporting in the c e c statement and labour party trade union links. what is there to say er what's not been said already yesterday, today, last year's meetings and in the last ten years. we are here pash passing motions, not to tell the tus or the employers what went wrong, what's wrong. -no, we're telling the government, we're telling them they've got it wrong excuse me. +no, we're telling the government, we're telling them they've got it wrong excuse me. every working person, every unemployed person, every pensioner knows only too well they've got it wrong. it's not the fat cats we gotta take notice of, who steal the cream and leave us with the sil sour milk even. -president, we don't need on our door. +president, we don't need on our door. let's tell the world they've got it wrong. don't they know that. poverty, low pay,repossessions, crimes, hardships. @@ -61955,10 +61905,10 @@ for better conditions, less crime, a better britain and the way ahead, southern northern region. here's billy. alright billy. -billy northern region. +billy northern region. president, colleagues. i have over the years many times come to the rostrum but for the first time it gives me no pleasure at all in saying what has to be said. -not so long ago the labour was singing the praises of the trade union movement, especially the g m b, yet, only last night on t v a shadow minister, david said the g m b were wrong in what they were doing, they should be behind john smith. +not so long ago the labour was singing the praises of the trade union movement, especially the g m b, yet, only last night on t v a shadow minister, david said the g m b were wrong in what they were doing, they should be behind john smith. i thought only tories done u-turns. because we have all heard john smith in the past say, i would rather lose an arm than lose the support of the g m b. colleagues, in the words of chief sitting bull man with pale face speaks with forked tongue. @@ -61977,11 +61927,11 @@ we've had the speakers up here saying that they're going out, they're knocking o that's all gonna be finished an'all, man. and there'll be plenty like me. this morning, this morning you know, i'm right up with the news isn't i? -this morning john smith says he is saddened by john 's remarks, he thinks it will give some material to john major, i've got news for him, many times i've been saddened when he's said nowt to john major when all the clangers he's dropped. +this morning john smith says he is saddened by john 's remarks, he thinks it will give some material to john major, i've got news for him, many times i've been saddened when he's said nowt to john major when all the clangers he's dropped. so, they don't want us to have a say in the labour party. there's nobody,nobody can tell me that the big national companies who pour money into the tory fund, that they don't have a say in their policy. who do they think they're kidding ? -i'll tell you another thing, whatever the spitting images say about john he pays his money, he doesn't grab his bermuda shorts and a wristwatch and fly off to the sunny islands. +i'll tell you another thing, whatever the spitting images say about john he pays his money, he doesn't grab his bermuda shorts and a wristwatch and fly off to the sunny islands. colleagues, colleagues, let me remind you once more, they need us more than we need them. g m b members should be always full members, no influence, no penance for our members, no way. it's our party and we should not give up without a fight. @@ -61993,7 +61943,7 @@ follow that, duncan. yeah, i can't i'm not going to attempt to. duncan , lancashire region, supporting the er t the c e c statement. -i mean it's quite clear isn't it what we wa we want a party of labour, we're organized, we're organized mass organization that speaks for almost a million people in this union, i don't but er, almost a million people. +i mean it's quite clear isn't it what we wa we want a party of labour, we're organized, we're organized mass organization that speaks for almost a million people in this union, i don't but er, almost a million people. we're speaking for working people in this country and we are a reliable indicator of the feelings, the dreams, the hopes of working people right across the country and any party that attempts to divorce itself from an organization such as ours, that attempts to speak for working people will lose its way. at the same time,d the tories are on their knees, some people, as i said earlier, i think it's just as relevant in this debate, seem to have lost their way and when you took, look at what they're proposing in terms of say, the er the fifty percent, the, the er m ps, fifty percent of the votes for er the parliamentary leader which of course is very consistent with , right, fifty percent of the vote, you take that along with proportional representation and what i believe you're seeing is the number of people who have given up the ghost and are preparing to restructure the party around coalition politics, and that's where they're heading, and they're heading completely in the wrong direction because we're more in tune with what's going on in this country, the po opinion polls are saying fifty nine percent of the people actually i think, believe that er the labour government is possible and will be voting for a labour government, the alternative road is to oblivion and it's not about modernizing, the people who're proposing this coalition politics aren't modernizers, they're victorian politics, that's what they're about, they're about taking us back, back before we created the party, before we learnt the lesson that we needed to represent ourselves politically, they're going back to, let's skil see what we get out of the liberals, the free trade liberals, in the nineteenth century, that's where they're going back, that's not about modernization, real modernization is about making sure that the labour party speaks for the working people up and down this country and that's our contribution to make to that party and therefore we should have a role in decision making and influencing the party that enables us as an organization to express that feeling, and that understanding of what people actually want in this country, and that's why we're supporting the c e c proposals. now, there's an, there's an alternative being put forward as a compromise, but a a compromise isn't a compromise, the compromise as it looks er involving us, and we're all party members, as already indicated, as individuals and saying top up, let's top up, we're already paying aren't we, the political levy, let's pay a bit more, right, is actually one that reduces our input as an organization. @@ -62008,7 +61958,7 @@ colleagues, one hundred years ago in bradford trade unionists and socialists got in those days although there were some independent groups of radicals and others of no elite, allegiance the two main parties in parliament were the whigs and the tories. very few mps were interested in the wor working people's demand. trade unionists knew that they could only achieve a limited level of their ambitions through industrial means and they realized that they needed working class mps to support them in parliament. -they knew that they needed to form a political party that have three main aims, the need for working class m ps, the need for an independent party to represent working people, the need for a to propagate new socialist ideals. +they knew that they needed to form a political party that have three main aims, the need for working class m ps, the need for an independent party to represent working people, the need for a to propagate new socialist ideals. the party was formed for those reasons. since then, by working together we have achieved many of our aims. unfortunately, most of them bo achievements are now under threat. @@ -62035,13 +61985,13 @@ public relations company shanwick gave the same. defence contractors rolls royce gave sixty thousand pounds, while united newspapers, owners of the express and the star upped their donation last year. these people have the audacity to question our links, our legitimate links with our party. colleagues, we must ensure that the links are strengthened and not weakened. -too many people, the old, the young and the unemployed, working people in all occupations do not maintain our bond. +too many people, the old, the young and the unemployed, working people in all occupations do not maintain our bond. remember why the labour party was formed, remember who formed it, nothing has changed. thank you. birmingham region president, congress. rose , birmingham region and i make it very clear on the onset that our region is having a free vote on this because we haven't had the opportunity to discuss the document and therefore what i'm saying is purely my own views. -the statement before us on the labour party and the trade union links sets aside various recommendations on how we are going to cast our block vote at this year's labour party conference on this issue the options open to us are listed in this paper and i'd like to make the following observations. +the statement before us on the labour party and the trade union links sets aside various recommendations on how we are going to cast our block vote at this year's labour party conference on this issue the options open to us are listed in this paper and i'd like to make the following observations. we as a trade union have been in the forefront of campaigning and supporting the labour party, not just as, in its election battle, but in attempting to modernize the party's thinking, the party administration, be it on the issue of quotas for women, on policy making, on finances and on the block vote. the g m b should be proud of this role, however politics and negotiations are all about compromise and not about head-on collisions and we try and avoid these as much as possible. therefore i believe we can still arrive at a compromise on the options in the statement. @@ -62066,7 +62016,7 @@ so, that's why we went back to the reformed electoral college. ed , i think argued a very strong case for a greater level of influence of trade unionists in the party than is suggested in this reform and i can see the force of those remarks but the c e c adopted the position that we did not want to take a position of dominance to the party conference. we wanted levy payers to have a say but a say within the broad sweep of labour party opinions. we deliberately went for a position of responsibility and moderation in this argument, where if i may say so, some other people haven't put the same constraints on themselves. -two further points, dave expressed it best, i think. +two further points, dave expressed it best, i think. the supporters of o m o v have put their arguments in what can only be said to be a ham-fisted and insulting way. they may have been intending to talk about reform of the labour party constitution, but what ordinary trade unionists heard was senior members of the party talking as if they were ashamed of the trade union connection. that was what came through and that's what we all deplore. @@ -62102,7 +62052,7 @@ what is being asked is this. when elected delegate for region to the t, t u c in the labour party conferences is not enough. the representation at labour and t u c conferences does not reflect a lay representative organization which we are supposed to be. i was a constituency delegate till last year's labour party conference and i was absolutely astonished to see so many people from head office floating around the conference floor. -national officers, national secretaries, research officers, other personnel from head office were a large part of the delegation not always around when important votes were being taken. +national officers, national secretaries, research officers, other personnel from head office were a large part of the delegation not always around when important votes were being taken. president, having bums in seats has never been more important, well attended conferences. to ensure a wider democratic representation at conferences urge the c e c to look seriously at the situation and report back next year. i move. @@ -62119,7 +62069,7 @@ and it's now, the c e c is now, and the general secretary is now, rightly so, ca whether we get it or not's another matter. this motion seeks at least to, to obtain some of that accountability. liverpool city council last year sacked hundreds of g m b members. -industrial tribunals as we heard yesterday from ian have decided they were wrongly dismissed and that indicates the standard of the union locally but poses the question of why it was impossible for our officials, from the general secretary downwards, to effect any influence whatsoever on the attitude of liverpool city council. +industrial tribunals as we heard yesterday from ian have decided they were wrongly dismissed and that indicates the standard of the union locally but poses the question of why it was impossible for our officials, from the general secretary downwards, to effect any influence whatsoever on the attitude of liverpool city council. the same question, that lack of influence on labour authorities who are behaving like the worst tory employers, has to be posed in relation to a number of situations throughout the country. for example, and the general secretary was giving examples yesterday so i'm entitled to do one as well , for example , islington council, where a direct labour organization that had successfully survived and grown through the worst of the thatcher years and the worst of the thatcher attack on public services has now fallen victim to a combination of a weak and corrupt labour council and an incompetent senior management. hundreds of workers have been sacked, the convener and deputy convener victimized, while millions of pounds went out to private contractors. @@ -62216,7 +62166,7 @@ those of us who are fortunate to be in work. so, in recognition of loyal service and commitment an award would not come amiss. i second motion. thank you. -colleagues, the c e c are recommending acceptance and er, certainly in respect of several and reference on one motion and i call robert to put their view. +colleagues, the c e c are recommending acceptance and er, certainly in respect of several and reference on one motion and i call robert to put their view. thanks president. robert , g m b scotland, speaking on behalf of the c, c e c replying to motions three nine four, three nine nine and four o two and four o three. on three nine four er, the c e c is seeking reference back er, three nine four deals with g m b delegations to labour party and t u c. @@ -62230,7 +62180,7 @@ er, motion three nine nine. the c e c support with er this qualification. er, accountability of local representatives is obviously supported but we should not limit that demand only to g m b er councillors or councillors who have g m b connections. it is the view of the c e c that all labour councillors and all labour councils should be demanded to consult on reorganization, redundancy and redeployment and improving of services and i know that the national section secretary, -mick is already compiling a list of g m b councillors which will no doubt help in trying to er, ensure that that particular motion meets its objectives in the coming year. +mick is already compiling a list of g m b councillors which will no doubt help in trying to er, ensure that that particular motion meets its objectives in the coming year. motion four o two, the c e c accepts the basic aim of four o two, that is of increasing labour party membership. er, i would ask delegates to bear in mind that trade union members can already join er, on the youth rates er, obviously an extension of that scheme would be welcome and is welcomed by the c e c. however, and it is a view of the c e c that although the current level of contributions,contributions is high, it is not the only barrier to mass membership, i don't intend to go into a list of other reasons why some people choose not to join the labour party but i'm quite sure that many delegates here can give some examples at a local level. @@ -62259,13 +62209,13 @@ it would help us, er in terms of the end of the week. would you agree to that? thanks very much indeed colleagues. so, there's motions one seven five, one seven six, one seven seven and one seven eight in this particular section. -frank will be asked to respond on behalf of the c e c because there are various different stances the c e c are taking on these particular motions. +frank will be asked to respond on behalf of the c e c because there are various different stances the c e c are taking on these particular motions. so, i now call motion one seven five, southern region to move, again colleagues, it would be helpful if movers and seconders would come down to the, the front. pauline , securicor apex five, southern region. members, the retention of membership is a very thorny problem. when you're recruiting it's a bit like courting. when you first have eye to eye contact everything is new, splendid, you want to do the very best for each other, you want to look your best, you want to tell them all the good things and eventually you get married. -and once you're married a little bit of complacency settles in and your membership is not quite so well served, but what you've got to remember is that whilst you're busy losing interest, somebody else is always interested in your partner or your member, so when, i'll rephrase that i'll rephrase that. +and once you're married a little bit of complacency settles in and your membership is not quite so well served, but what you've got to remember is that whilst you're busy losing interest, somebody else is always interested in your partner or your member, so when, i'll rephrase that i'll rephrase that. your party, your other, never mind, and when that happens you get poaching and i've always said, if you treat your membership properly they'll stay with you, but you've also got to remember that the union is in dire financial straits, or so it tells us. but if you pare your officers to the bone, if you cut them any longer, you will not get a decent service from them, you will just have people in boxes with lids firmly placed on them and then where will the union be? if you don't give a man or a woman time to do a single job properly, then it's not worth doing. @@ -62293,7 +62243,7 @@ congress, i urge you to support this motion. ken , midlands and east coast region, moving motion one seven six, branch administration officers. conference, we are all well aware of the terrific financial burden that this union has been under over the last few years. with that burden around us we have seen a reduction in the number of full-time officers being appointed by the union and which in turn has without any doubt had a detrimental effect upon the members who we serve. -it is for that very reason that i am moving this motion today as it gives us the opportunity to implement the rules of the union and at the same time would enable us to put into position, people who would be able to do all those things that are necessary to achieve what we require, recruitment, organization, paperwork, back-up service to full-time officials. +it is for that very reason that i am moving this motion today as it gives us the opportunity to implement the rules of the union and at the same time would enable us to put into position, people who would be able to do all those things that are necessary to achieve what we require, recruitment, organization, paperwork, back-up service to full-time officials. that back-up service would also allow our full-time officers to concentrate on the recruitment and servicing of our members, which must and must only be and remain our highest priority. as time goes on, our membership and our finances will decide when we can take on full-time officials. this motion also creates an opportunity for the union, our union, the members' union, to encourage young members,members and branch activists to take on the role of branch administration officers within the regions we represent here today and gain experience in an area of trade union work that they thought might never have, have existed. @@ -62321,7 +62271,7 @@ president. president, congress. keith , london region, moving motion one seven seven. congress, i understand the c e c are accepting this resolution for the qualifications so i will be brief. -past practice will to use such private , although they should have now, by now, all but disappeared. +past practice will to use such private , although they should have now, by now, all but disappeared. if we are to retain a level of even-handedness when dealing with employers ourselves we should at least make sure our own house is in order. if jobs or vacancies exist, our people, g m b people, should fill those vacancies. we have enough unemployed activists, who with a little training could cover those vacancies. @@ -62331,10 +62281,10 @@ one seven eight, liverpool region to move. formally moved, is it formally seconded? is it formally carried? oh, we can't, we referred in it. -oh sorry about that frank. +oh sorry about that frank. i do everything possible to help regional secretaries. thank you president. -frank replying on behalf of the c e c to one seven five, one seven six, one seven seven and one seven eight. +frank replying on behalf of the c e c to one seven five, one seven six, one seven seven and one seven eight. congress, the c e c is asking you to support one seven five. we seek withdrawal of motion one seven six in favour of one seven eight, we ask you to accept motion one seven seven where the certain qualifications and we seek referral of motion one seven eight. colleagues, motion one seven five is in line with the union's general approach therefore the c e c has accepted this motion. @@ -62373,26 +62323,25 @@ conference agree, thanks very much indeed. colleagues, just before we adjourn for lunch, could i ask you to try and take the opportunity to visit the labour party and trade unions for labour stand where there is a live link to the national membership system. thanks very much indeed. congress stands adjourned until two p m, thank you. - just a couple of things by way of introduction. erm, the first point, relates to a a microphone here, and er and er tape recorder, and i think members of the sub-committee will have received a note from the chief executive department. longman's are doing a study into the spoken language, and are looking for, i think, ninety million words that are in common usage. they came to the county council and asked for our permission, to to record a number of meetings in order to get a variety of settings and words, different words they used. it's it's the same procedure that we accepted at the finance committee last friday, and in mentioning it and hoping it will be acceptance that longman's can have the benefit of the personnel's sub-committee contribution for the next hour and a half or so. there's, to be clear about it, that it's completely confidential, that their looking only for particular words that are used in different parts of the country and in different locations. -no problems, i presume sound. +no problems, i presume sound. right. the second second thing is that people, everybody should have three extra pieces of paper, erm, relating to agenda item seven. the paper, january reports on employee resources. -one's headed, linkway construction, the other is page thirty-two which needs replacing. +one's headed, linkway construction, the other is page thirty-two which needs replacing. thirty-two that's plain paper out, needs to come out and thirty-two needs to go in. -there's also the salary scale a green card. +there's also the salary scale a green card. having said that, can we move, go into yes. any apologies or substitutions. certainly, chair. there are no apologies, but there are two substitutions for this meeting. -councillor to replace councillor and councillor to replace councillor . +councillor to replace councillor and councillor to replace councillor . both for this meeting only. thank you. if we can move to the agenda. @@ -62400,17 +62349,17 @@ agenda item one. as we received the minutes of the personnel meeting held on the eighteenth of october, nineteen ninety-three. these minutes have been circulated with the agenda for the meeting of the policy committee on the second of november. chair, just before we go into, there's one quick thing i would like to add. -i omitted the attendance of councillor from those minutes, subject to that, i would hope you would approve them. +i omitted the attendance of councillor from those minutes, subject to that, i would hope you would approve them. is it agreed that these minutes be approved? agreed. agreed. -thank you okay, if we then move to agenda item two. +thank you okay, if we then move to agenda item two. minutes of the appeal sub-committee, held on the fifteenth of october, nineteen ninety-three. paper a. perhaps merely to receive this paper from the appeal sub-committee, fifteenth of october. agreed to receive it? agreed. agreed. -thank you next item,right agenda item three, notes of the joint consultative committee held on the twenty-first of october, nineteen ninety-three, paper b. if i could just say a few words. +thank you next item,right agenda item three, notes of the joint consultative committee held on the twenty-first of october, nineteen ninety-three, paper b. if i could just say a few words. this meeting was, i think the second meeting of management and staff side on the county council. it's part of an ingoing programme of meetings where there's consultation between employee representatives and employer representatives. specifically, most of the items that we discussed are picked up as agenda items throughout this particular agenda. @@ -62418,10 +62367,10 @@ for example, on page two, number nine one, trade union recognition, is item nine we could mention occupational health service review. this this is going ahead and we had discussions with the staff side about about that issue. local government review on page three, is is again an agenda item in relation to the staff commission at item ten in our agenda. -couple of points that were made in relation to this particular report was the backing by the employee side, erm, to the wages board initiative that took when we wrote to the government saying that we felt that the abolition of the wages board was not in the best interests erm, of the people of lincolnshire. +couple of points that were made in relation to this particular report was the backing by the employee side, erm, to the wages board initiative that took when we wrote to the government saying that we felt that the abolition of the wages board was not in the best interests erm, of the people of lincolnshire. and that was supported. there will be a further report at the next personnel meeting on the outcome of the meeting that we held with j c c meeting on the twelfth of january and a further meeting is being fixed up for february. -i don't know if anybody wants to make any comments about any of the items on paper b okay, is it agreed to receive this report? +i don't know if anybody wants to make any comments about any of the items on paper b okay, is it agreed to receive this report? agreed. agreed. if we would then move to agenda item four. @@ -62446,8 +62395,8 @@ erm, i just wondered if you, from your manage from your meetings with the a c c thank you. come back to that. does anybody else want to make a contribution on this paper? -what er councillor says, but i can't find it. -it's agenda i , it's two. +what er councillor says, but i can't find it. +it's agenda i , it's two. no. is that right? no. @@ -62462,7 +62411,7 @@ any other contributions? if i could just pick up the point you made councillor , i think that at the a c c discussions, there was a great deal of cognition and understanding of the need to consult with staff side, in the run up to the beginning of formal consultations. and i think that a comprehensive consultation exercise has got to bear in mind that the key question, and that's affordability. that we recognise that local authorities are in a a difficult position. -we also recognise so to are the workers of county councils, and district councils, particularly because the er the government initiatives, one good point to v a t on fuel, and the increasing in in national insurance contributions and increases in taxation, so between the two sides has got to be some accommodation, bearing in mind the need for both of us to want to continue to deliver quality services. +we also recognise so to are the workers of county councils, and district councils, particularly because the er the government initiatives, one good point to v a t on fuel, and the increasing in in national insurance contributions and increases in taxation, so between the two sides has got to be some accommodation, bearing in mind the need for both of us to want to continue to deliver quality services. it's going to be a tough nineteen ninety-four. anything else of agenda item, what is it c. paper c. okay. do we agree that that the digest be noted. @@ -62482,8 +62431,8 @@ and virtually everybody who joins the options agency has a positive outcome to m so overall the options agency has had another successful year. internally the options agency delivers training for young people who qualify to our employees at the county council, and so we do receive assistance through the youth training programme and with our costs as an employer in training young people to achieve the these positive outcomes and n v q's and so on. so the options agency has had a good year, and hopefully will again next year. -the horizons agency serves lincoln and district and that's called the lincoln travel to work area, which vir virtually stretches as far as horncastle to the east and gainsborough to the er, west and market rasen to the north and sleaford to the south, so it's a very large proportion er er of the county, but it's called the lincoln travel to work er area. -and it serves it from premises in road and lane in lincoln. +the horizons agency serves lincoln and district and that's called the lincoln travel to work area, which vir virtually stretches as far as horncastle to the east and gainsborough to the er, west and market rasen to the north and sleaford to the south, so it's a very large proportion er er of the county, but it's called the lincoln travel to work er area. +and it serves it from premises in road and lane in lincoln. it has a contract with the lincolnshire tech. for youth training, and a contract for adult training. and it is specialised over the years in craft training, particularly in relation to the building and engineering trades, and has made unique provision in the district for the less able. @@ -62493,23 +62442,23 @@ er, we started off originally with all our expenses being met on these programme it then moved to being paid so much per week, for an trainee, and we now have a mixture of such much a week, and so much for the output related fundings, the jobs, the n v q's, the f e courses which i mentioned earlier. and there is a move to move adult training particularly, to total output related funding. the tech is funded in this sort of way by the er, er national arrangements and they in their turn has passing that on to various suppliers. -this will pose particular problems for the horizons agency, because we rely very much on the weekly allowance for the people with special training needs, because their output in in terms of o output related funding is relative to the so our income is cutting for the people with the, who need the highest training staff ratio, in in order to succeed. +this will pose particular problems for the horizons agency, because we rely very much on the weekly allowance for the people with special training needs, because their output in in terms of o output related funding is relative to the so our income is cutting for the people with the, who need the highest training staff ratio, in in order to succeed. and this poses particular problems for us in the horizons agency. we are in discussion with the tech, and those discussions are not included. erm, we're meeting er on a fairly regular basis with them, to see if we can seek some solution. and you'll see in the report that we do point out, that some of the training that we do, things like woodwork training, and brickwork training, are relatively expensive to deliver, compared with other training of occupations. erm, and we've had, i'm afraid to give protective notice to six members of staff, it's about er, discussions with the erm, tech, are not successful, then they will have to leave us at the end of this programme year, which is the thirty-first of march. -that difficulty on one sense overshadows the successes that the agency has had, and this is particularly successful in the area of catering training training and business training. +that difficulty on one sense overshadows the successes that the agency has had, and this is particularly successful in the area of catering training training and business training. we do run er an organisation called lincoln energy save out of the horizons agency, which er, completes insulations programmes, er, in er, properties. it's in part a government, and partly e c funding programme, and er the rules on that have been changed which will make many more people eligible for assistance with er, er insulation on their houses. trained people are on the way, and many of the people that we train go onto work college, other commercial agencies. -so there are successes in horizons agency, you just have to at the moment by the difficulties in finding the necessary funding to cater for people who are not great achievers in terms of output funding. +so there are successes in horizons agency, you just have to at the moment by the difficulties in finding the necessary funding to cater for people who are not great achievers in terms of output funding. right. i'll be happy to answer any questions, chair. thank you. -right, councillor and then councillor +right, councillor and then councillor well, er i think, you know, it's a, i mean, in er one way it's a, it's a good it's a good report, i mean, and er it emphasizes, you know, the success of what the, we've got. -i mean, we've got this, it's been on, mrs , i know, she has the same as i do, but but er the the these people who need such help, i mean, i'm not being it it it just it just they've just not included in the programme really, and er, we've written i think from this committee over the years er made submissions over the years, and message still doesn't seem to have got through, that that that that er this, and i think very valuable work, that can contribute to the quality of life for all of us, if we can improve the lot for these people. +i mean, we've got this, it's been on, mrs , i know, she has the same as i do, but but er the the these people who need such help, i mean, i'm not being it it it just it just they've just not included in the programme really, and er, we've written i think from this committee over the years er made submissions over the years, and message still doesn't seem to have got through, that that that that er this, and i think very valuable work, that can contribute to the quality of life for all of us, if we can improve the lot for these people. it does reflect right through society er still doesn't, the message still doesn't get home, and i would like to move mr chairman, that er we do again er write and see if we can get some special recognition of this very serious problem that there is. there's some valuable work gone on there, and you can, and if and if we're going to deny these people, the opportunity of of achieving anything like their potential, i mean, it seems such a shame, when we, you know, when we are succeeding in the rest of the programme. and i would like to ask you, er er and the rest of the committee of who, whatever we can do, and that the officers should advise us what we can do, to to to make a further submission. @@ -62517,10 +62466,10 @@ i don't, i think we must do, because it underlines it's it's as sp , it's been a so i would urge the committee to to to make a submission on their behalf, chair. thank you. councillor -erm, yes, well i go along with er, councillor on that. +erm, yes, well i go along with er, councillor on that. but but first of all i would like to say the officers of the agencies really should be congratulated on. doing a good job. -i'm sure councillor and erm, and certainly there does seem to be more emphasis on helping people with difficult educational disabilities, and those with learning difficulties, but if we could encourage even more,excellent, and i think it's very important that er, bank agencies er emphasise the fact that it's training, plus their main aim being er also a qualification, which does help them get, erm jobs. +i'm sure councillor and erm, and certainly there does seem to be more emphasis on helping people with difficult educational disabilities, and those with learning difficulties, but if we could encourage even more,excellent, and i think it's very important that er, bank agencies er emphasise the fact that it's training, plus their main aim being er also a qualification, which does help them get, erm jobs. and the end product record, does seem to be very good, particularly erm, er you know, with options, seventy- five per cent you know, very good indeed. but could we please be told just a little bit more about compus course, er run by horizon, that's mentioned in the last paragraph, erm on the, on green one, it's on the first page. defined as severely disadvantaged young people. @@ -62534,7 +62483,7 @@ when you get down to these groups of people, you have to work with each individu so some people were very low academic people, some had physical problems, and er, some had er, combination of problems, erm which er very often you would find er combination of problems. but it was irrelative to accept that sort of course. we had run one in an earlier year, erm, i think that was slightly a different type, but that, er, the idea was the same. -have you thought of sorry,chair. +have you thought of sorry,chair. mm. er will be spreading to the er, other parts of county, as well. erm, i suspect er that the tech. @@ -62550,12 +62499,12 @@ thank you. okay thanks. councillor thank you, chairman. -er, the question on b five please. -erm, could you tell us a little more about the venture, and the this one. +er, the question on b five please. +erm, could you tell us a little more about the venture, and the this one. yes, i'm i'm no expert, i i, though if you probably are, erm, but as i understand it, it's erm, it's growing or starting plants off, erm, to grow in a soilless culture yes. erm, it's it's an odd plant, i've wandered round it, sort of steam heat situation, as far as i can tell. -and that fairly quickly, but erm, it's it really producing plants in a a forced situation, which i don't translate into others, and grow strongly elsewhere, and er, i'm afraid i'm i'm no expert in this plan. +and that fairly quickly, but erm, it's it really producing plants in a a forced situation, which i don't translate into others, and grow strongly elsewhere, and er, i'm afraid i'm i'm no expert in this plan. propagation. this is this is this is a way that er erm, garden centres and whatever er do produce a lot of their material. and there is quite a lot of growth in employment in gardening centres at the moment. @@ -62563,15 +62512,15 @@ particularly if you can send somebody who has knowledge of the process, as well we have had quite a few trainees, youth trainees in garden centres, and golf courses, which surprised me, but golf courses apparently could use quite a lot of people. and er, this extra interest we thought would er, you know, force their chances of employment. so we're keeping our fingers crossed on that idea. -i think at the moment the it's the scottish theory, not proven but it looks promising. -thank you, i'm reassured that it is a viable, promotional future. +i think at the moment the it's the scottish theory, not proven but it looks promising. +thank you, i'm reassured that it is a viable, promotional future. well, i think so. i mean,can you. we feel it's got a, in a sense of what we produce within the training situation, we know we can sell. good. and, we also feel it got a future to the people who are working within it,, in that it will lead them on hopefully, to useful employment opportunities. the people who take this job on, are not necessarily the highest achievers, they tend to be looking for a job with a particular interest in that and are sort of reliable and conscientious people. -perhaps they have been finding our simulated version of you know, to be there early, and to be there late, and sometimes be there saturday and sunday as well. +perhaps they have been finding our simulated version of you know, to be there early, and to be there late, and sometimes be there saturday and sunday as well. mm. so that, i mean, they they are getting a a reasonable working environment or reasonable view of the working environment, so that it doesn't come everyone's got a skill it's just having, erm, finding it. @@ -62581,7 +62530,7 @@ thank you. thanks. right, anyone else? okay. -just to come back to councillor point. +just to come back to councillor point. the the difficulty in a sense that we got, if we look at two paragraphs towards the end the report. paragraph five two, actually su actually suggests that output related funding, a hundred per cent output related funding based on achieving jobs and n v q's, has been tried by lincolnshire tech. with a view to introducing it to all contracted providers in nineteen ninety-four, ninety-five. @@ -62595,22 +62544,22 @@ well, i'd like to do, that we do do that, i mean, we have i think made some subm but i mean, it could be er could be ver we're talking about redundancies now, aren't we, so it, er, i think you know, i'd like to move that we do do that, if the if there's a seconder, and and and lobby very strongly. okay. i i wonder, chair, if i might comment. -we have in the past raised this through the er association of county councils in the education side, with and we, there was quite a lot of support, and also have had support in the past from er, kenneth carlyle and douglas howe erm who were, supported the view, er which was particularly in relation to youth training, as this is more adult training we're talking about here. +we have in the past raised this through the er association of county councils in the education side, with and we, there was quite a lot of support, and also have had support in the past from er, kenneth carlyle and douglas howe erm who were, supported the view, er which was particularly in relation to youth training, as this is more adult training we're talking about here. but i i think there is a body of opinion out there that we could tap, which would be supported. jim's proposition. is is it seconded? yup. right, anybody else want to speak about that approach. -er, i take it, chairman, that that this would be through our ideas about the +er, i take it, chairman, that that this would be through our ideas about the oh, we could do it in a variety of ways. we could actually go to the association of county councils. described, all the avenues that we can pursue, yes. would that would improve things, certainly would improve things, mr chairman. i mean -presumably department of trade and industry is it, contains erm, minister of state under our local, all the six lincolnshire m p's. +presumably department of trade and industry is it, contains erm, minister of state under our local, all the six lincolnshire m p's. mm -chairman, i have spoken to kenneth carlyle and his and he's very sympathetic. +chairman, i have spoken to kenneth carlyle and his and he's very sympathetic. right. so the the be sympathetic response from us. yes. @@ -62633,9 +62582,9 @@ the next papers that we have, chairman, are much more useful in management terms thank you. if we just pause for a moment and look at the a c c digest that the papers see. there is an item about this joint staffing watch at item ten, which suggests that the government are also finding that it's got limited use, and are suggesting that these returns should be completed on a different basis, and rather than quarterly, annually. -so, this joint staffing watch as it exists at the moment, has got a very restricted shelf life, an and i doubt if it's going to survive. -but, anybody want to ask any questions, or raise any points about about it. -next year, it's very limited use, and we find the same situation in south which is, move that we agreed to that in the report. +so, this joint staffing watch as it exists at the moment, has got a very restricted shelf life, an and i doubt if it's going to survive. +but, anybody want to ask any questions, or raise any points about about it. +next year, it's very limited use, and we find the same situation in south which is, move that we agreed to that in the report. anybody else. is that agreed, jim? fine. @@ -62669,7 +62618,7 @@ just to congratulate the officers for putting this together. er, i think as the other previous document was usefu useless, this is useful, and i mean, i think it's er something we can't take in a day and night, to spend, to spent some more time over this, because,yo you know, it does reflect very well on, on er, particularly that er, information that we needed earlier, in terms and and er. i think, you know, it it it's er something we made not all that thank you. -councillor +councillor erm, just a quick erm, question, please, chairman. will this be available to the trade unions? this document. @@ -62681,8 +62630,8 @@ useless now thank you. councillor yes, chairman, two questions. -first on page nine, computer services er, i know we see an increase in the staff information technology. -has there been a corresponding decrease or, has there been an increase at all in other departments er, due, one presumes through having more information there will be a staffing reduction elsewhere. +first on page nine, computer services er, i know we see an increase in the staff information technology. +has there been a corresponding decrease or, has there been an increase at all in other departments er, due, one presumes through having more information there will be a staffing reduction elsewhere. has this occurred? i think, sir it will be very very difficult to identify, erm, quite where the reductions are. as you know the authorities or control very very closely, as to the additional members of staff that come on. @@ -62696,7 +62645,7 @@ just another question i want to know. sure. okay. no no problem. -er, page thirty-six, paragraph two the new environment officer the first, the question first, and as i understand it, please correct me, erm, the agreement policy was, there was to be one environment officer, personal assistant. +er, page thirty-six, paragraph two the new environment officer the first, the question first, and as i understand it, please correct me, erm, the agreement policy was, there was to be one environment officer, personal assistant. here is, that there's mentioned of further assistance. also, there is also, further assistance, further assistance to or support to members in addition to the extra secretary that is being established. first questio , the question, and i'd like to comment as well is, erm, what, are there plans for the future of greatly expanding environment department, er, and why is it er, and why is it not being put through policy, first. @@ -62704,12 +62653,12 @@ wh wh what i remember going through policy is the fact that we wanted to employ and that is what is agreed, sir. the er, environment officer post has been established and has been filled. the clerical support office, officer has not yet been filled, and that is one of the two mentioned. -because of one of the two mentioned here in this note has nothing at all to do with the environment. -yes, well it is er, yes, well i comment on that, when i get more +because of one of the two mentioned here in this note has nothing at all to do with the environment. +yes, well it is er, yes, well i comment on that, when i get more yeah. -so +so yes. -that that's, i think that's +that that's, i think that's so the posts that are to be established and to be filled are exactly as those approved by the policy committee. no more. so. @@ -62723,7 +62672,7 @@ not, not to my knowledge. thank you. well, i'd just like to comment on the, as here we're talking about the environment officer. er, i should know that, or certainly agree that all the staff in the environment must have coped ade adequately well before under the preceding system where each officer, each department was was instructed to deal with the environment as it came along. -er, i'm in the view, that this er, environment department is at the moment, is doing nothing at all, anything that's happened so far. +er, i'm in the view, that this er, environment department is at the moment, is doing nothing at all, anything that's happened so far. it don't seem to be any good at all, whatsoever. so i believe it is a rather a waste of money, it's just talking shop, shuffling papers about, and we regret that in in the time when er resources are difficult, staffing could be put elsewhere instead of this right, i note your comments. @@ -62733,21 +62682,21 @@ thank you. with these posts as well, because it has actually stated we have employed an environmental officer. yes, we know that. and then there are two further posts, two five's over the next twelve months. -one to provide assistant to the environment officer and the other to provide further assistants into to members. +one to provide assistant to the environment officer and the other to provide further assistants into to members. right. instead of one extra, there's two extra. yeah, i th i mean, i i can i can see precisely where you're coming from. -but i think that the two further posts, one is provide assistance to the environment officer, which is a clerical support that councillor referred to. +but i think that the two further posts, one is provide assistance to the environment officer, which is a clerical support that councillor referred to. full stop. the other post, nothing to do with the environment, to provide further assistance and support to members. but why should members need even more support. i mean. hang on, that's not the same question as the environment. i think we've got that one sorted out, haven't we? -it's +it's i'm sorry, this is all under environment yes. -no, it's not +no, it's not no, it's not. it's under the exe execs department employee resources. yes. @@ -62760,12 +62709,12 @@ i agree now, yes, it was just all in the same paragraph, and it just sort of a b point taken. councillor thank you, chairman. -one of my constituents that i read in the newspaper about the erm, the green way in which the party should be moving, and said that erm, he would like me to express my disquiet to and i thought this, perhaps this would be quite a useful place to his disquiet, but council tax money is being spend on this sort of erm, work when there are far more urgent erm, services needed in the county, and he would much rather have the highways, er, money from, which is now going into the environment to go into highways, erm, so as er, chairman council, i'm passing his comments on to you, through this committee. +one of my constituents that i read in the newspaper about the erm, the green way in which the party should be moving, and said that erm, he would like me to express my disquiet to and i thought this, perhaps this would be quite a useful place to his disquiet, but council tax money is being spend on this sort of erm, work when there are far more urgent erm, services needed in the county, and he would much rather have the highways, er, money from, which is now going into the environment to go into highways, erm, so as er, chairman council, i'm passing his comments on to you, through this committee. he feels it's a complete waste of money, and he would like it to go , please. so, i pass this message on. right. -some people take a view that the quality of of of land, air and water in lincolnshire is important -yes, er maybe i wouldn't have mentioned it, but er, well, that's a story of one like dozens of people, congratulating us, that at long last we're going to do something about the environment and protect it for the future of our children, and they consider it money well spent, and asking the question, why wasn't it never done before. +some people take a view that the quality of of of land, air and water in lincolnshire is important +yes, er maybe i wouldn't have mentioned it, but er, well, that's a story of one like dozens of people, congratulating us, that at long last we're going to do something about the environment and protect it for the future of our children, and they consider it money well spent, and asking the question, why wasn't it never done before. i think they know the answer. but it was it was so restrictive, the er, the way that it was handled, you know, just with the er, senior members of the conservative meeting and the er friends of the earth and such as that. it never came to the fore. @@ -62777,7 +62726,7 @@ right. you've been very indulgent, chair. councillor thank you chairman, i i can note that remark, but i do think that we do have to defend the position a little on environmental issues. -i mean, the the tories are ready, shouldn't they complete to environmental issues, whereas every every public consultation or survey that ever carried out, demonstrates every time, that the public are very concerned that they're, of the environment and they will put it at the top of the list, and i think our con the environment by having a dedicated environment officer proves our positive er commitment to the environment. +i mean, the the tories are ready, shouldn't they complete to environmental issues, whereas every every public consultation or survey that ever carried out, demonstrates every time, that the public are very concerned that they're, of the environment and they will put it at the top of the list, and i think our con the environment by having a dedicated environment officer proves our positive er commitment to the environment. it's it's it seems to me to be applauded. obviously, it's something that's gonna develop, and er, as times does on, more and more issues are gonna be referred to this committee. thank you. @@ -62790,15 +62739,15 @@ and,qui and most certainly demonstrated the need to set up the very same committ thank you. thank you, chairman. a bonus for anybody who wants to move away from page thirty-six, when they make a contribution. -i've got councillors erm, and who have spoken already. +i've got councillors erm, and who have spoken already. i think i'll er, i think you ought to move on, chair. right. any anybody else? i'm not, i'd be happy if you were to come back, but not on the environment. -it's just that i've really chairman, page thirty- three, little one could somebody er the growth, a review of the authority contracts hire for officers. +it's just that i've really chairman, page thirty- three, little one could somebody er the growth, a review of the authority contracts hire for officers. why is there, i've assumed from that, there is a need for more contract hire for the officers. why is this? -if i'm, please, if i'd known i'm sorry, sir +if i'm, please, if i'd known i'm sorry, sir yes, it is in the authorities interests that as many of it's travelling employees as possible use the car contract hire scheme, because it saves the authority money, and yes, officers around this large county have the cheapest possible rates. to see that there is a take up of the car contract hire scheme, it constantly has to be held, or kept unde , the scheme has to be kept under review, to make sure that it is attractive and it is what er, the employees want to see, and would prefer rather than an alternate means of transport. so we're, do encourage it, we hope that it will grow and resume counties interest if it does grow. @@ -62838,21 +62787,21 @@ we have star started a monitoring scheme for ethnic monitoring. a trial some people would say. and more particularly in appendix three, you've got for the first time, individual chief officers and general managers comments, for achieving a better equal opportunity profile in their department or unit. -erm, i i really don't want to add anything else, other than the summary, erm, that i gave you on appendix one, chairman, but if you move over to appendix two for a start, erm, this first of all, relates only to our a t t in and we hope in future to improve this sort of information in the other employee groups. +erm, i i really don't want to add anything else, other than the summary, erm, that i gave you on appendix one, chairman, but if you move over to appendix two for a start, erm, this first of all, relates only to our a t t in and we hope in future to improve this sort of information in the other employee groups. erm, members may well want to look at this, and spend a bit of time examining it. could i just make a correction, which would help in that respect. -on the total okay, so twenty-nine to thirty-four throughout on all the relevant places. +on the total okay, so twenty-nine to thirty-four throughout on all the relevant places. but i i i do suggest to you, that that about demonstrates what we've really known all along, it was subjectively, that county council actually has more women employees than men. but actually, we need a lot more women employees, in terms of opportunity and advantage to them, at the senior management levels. as i've mentioned earlier, we've we've got a slight movement in the right direction. -i hope that the targets that are before you in appendix three, demonstrate the way in which individuals and general managers do have, inevitably their targets vary because of the circumstances of their particular er unit or department. +i hope that the targets that are before you in appendix three, demonstrate the way in which individuals and general managers do have, inevitably their targets vary because of the circumstances of their particular er unit or department. erm, i'll try to answer any questions you may have on appendix three, bearing in mind all the detail there, involved. but i do suggest that if necessary, we can come back with answers later on. i do suggest that if you, with your relative responsibilities want to, you could take that up with the individual chief officer and general manager, and i just do need to draw your attention to the fact that the targets and the whole policy in education, does not apply in schools, because that is the responsibility of ind individual government bodies. so in that sense, your role is purely advisory. with that, chair, i would recommend that you agree the, er, support you brought before you, which is as i said, will the subject of full consultation with your employee representatives. thank you. -councillor and then councillor +councillor and then councillor yes, when i looked through appendix three, the equal opportunities targets, and the public service units. when i saw computer services, i was immediately a bit disappointed. er, to say nothing referring to the registered disabled and any positive er encouragement taken on. @@ -62866,11 +62815,11 @@ well, thank you, chairman. er, first of all i would like to say, i'm all for equal opportunities. erm, but i do believe who is the best person for the job. and then to apply for a job, i think should be on the complete basis of what what they are, what they've achieved, what they've done, regardless of whether they're male or female. -erm, there's a perfect example in appendix three, in and planning it's the second page of of appendix three, and to read through it, and i won't read it, because obviously everybody has done. -every is going to be female, now does that mean to say, that if no males apply, or if you only advertise for someone female, which i presumably erm, actually going to er run the impossibly do it. +erm, there's a perfect example in appendix three, in and planning it's the second page of of appendix three, and to read through it, and i won't read it, because obviously everybody has done. +every is going to be female, now does that mean to say, that if no males apply, or if you only advertise for someone female, which i presumably erm, actually going to er run the impossibly do it. only fe , only males apply they won't get -could i just -i mean, i it's it's so it really does it does. +could i just +i mean, i it's it's so it really does it does. when we are trying to get into equal opportunities and, as i say, i agree with you entirely, but i still think that the best person for the job i i i take, i i take that equal opportunities does raise peoples erm, blood pressure to say the least. i think that the points that i want to make here, because people come from different positions, is one, this is a long term strategy. @@ -62882,7 +62831,7 @@ th they then very able to do jobs, but the lack of, for example, training and th so it's about culture, training, opportunities and to make sure that people from whatever walk of life, and whatever gender or race or ability to have, or disability, do not under achieve. i mean, that's m my contribution as as a committed person to equal opportunities, but i'd welcome an example well, if i may, chair, i would like deal with it in terms of the principle or the policy and then the application to highways planning. -you are right, and indeed, all of our advice, all the particular professional that michael union gives to all of the the er, county council matters, is that recruitment is on merit. +you are right, and indeed, all of our advice, all the particular professional that michael union gives to all of the the er, county council matters, is that recruitment is on merit. it is unlawful, accept in two areas, to er discriminate in the way that you suggested, but essentially our our appointment process is on merit. it there are two exceptions, that i mentioned, we must give prior consideration in any vacancy that we have for a registered disabled applicant. i would like to see that for a disabled applicant, but nevertheless, for a registered disabled applicant, and we can make special provision for the training of er, under represented groups. @@ -62893,18 +62842,18 @@ chair, may i just come back on on one point. mm. thank you. i can appreciate all that, and i i appreciate the way in which females are being encouraged to apply for posts. -but i i hope at the end of all this, there will still be how much training you've had, that when the post is eventually advertised it will still be +but i i hope at the end of all this, there will still be how much training you've had, that when the post is eventually advertised it will still be and that is the situation. -i i'm pretty sure that that's so, chair, and you d when you say you're recruiting erm, young people from school, training or, erm, taking them on to engineering vacancies. +i i'm pretty sure that that's so, chair, and you d when you say you're recruiting erm, young people from school, training or, erm, taking them on to engineering vacancies. you do have people from both sexes, of equal abilities and potential strengths, and it would be possible at that stage to have a training pool of people, which perhaps, er redress the balance, and perhaps er gradually have available many people, but you can only do that, if people come forward without skills that you need in order to train them into the jobs. er, and that's one of the problems, is persuading good people to put their names forward for these jobs, and that's how you present it. yep. right. yep. councillor -yes, i think councillor has just highlighted, is that there is a need for a change in the culture. -i worked in a construction industry and er, and it was a male orientated dominated er industry, and i think what councillor is probably just taking small parts in isolation,highways and planning which has at least one chartered engineer and additional female. -you've then got to go below that and say, this was achieved through actual and it is the advertising making the public aware that we are prepared to employ females providing they're good enough. +yes, i think councillor has just highlighted, is that there is a need for a change in the culture. +i worked in a construction industry and er, and it was a male orientated dominated er industry, and i think what councillor is probably just taking small parts in isolation,highways and planning which has at least one chartered engineer and additional female. +you've then got to go below that and say, this was achieved through actual and it is the advertising making the public aware that we are prepared to employ females providing they're good enough. and this also has got to be encouraged through the schools, so that er, young er you know women, leaving school, going into career, will realise that they will be accepted into a previously male dominated industry. that's really what it's all about. you know, probably some of us are too old to accept this, but er, the younger people @@ -62912,31 +62861,31 @@ burt, erm, will er the the younger people will be encouraged to start to accept this and it is a change in our thinking, that it, i find it difficult as well. but i'm certain, by doing it this way, we will encourage females to put in for these these posts. even that our managers have got to be made by way of -councillor has said, will they be accepted on merit. -i would ask, will the men be accepted on merit, and i would suggest that in the past, only a suggestion, but i'm very aware of it, that men were taken on and they weren't even as good as the women, so applied in the past, -can i just be clear, councillor that you meant no disrespect to the councillors at all. +councillor has said, will they be accepted on merit. +i would ask, will the men be accepted on merit, and i would suggest that in the past, only a suggestion, but i'm very aware of it, that men were taken on and they weren't even as good as the women, so applied in the past, +can i just be clear, councillor that you meant no disrespect to the councillors at all. erm, 'cos 'cos if you did, i'm sure that that wouldn't be popular in this committee. under equal opportunities, they could both be the same age. yeah, you don't want any councillor erm, yes, thank you, chairman. it does seem to be on the whole a very encouraging report. -i am pleased with the targets that each department's have achieved. +i am pleased with the targets that each department's have achieved. er,with regard to erm, disabilities. -for a number of increase in employed. -but i would like to say that this is very much, and i think councillor knows that previous personnel committee, it's all in the mind, we want former administration and one of the latest tests was the adoption of the national disability symbol and encourage them to talk about it. -erm, i do understand that er, you know, we've got another report coming to us tomorrow on it, and there may be some additions on it disabled people hopefully about getting more people to,disabled people to that that's another aim we help people to -i think other people want to speak, actually +for a number of increase in employed. +but i would like to say that this is very much, and i think councillor knows that previous personnel committee, it's all in the mind, we want former administration and one of the latest tests was the adoption of the national disability symbol and encourage them to talk about it. +erm, i do understand that er, you know, we've got another report coming to us tomorrow on it, and there may be some additions on it disabled people hopefully about getting more people to,disabled people to that that's another aim we help people to +i think other people want to speak, actually oh, sorry,of course, i've forgot. i'd be delighted for your time. i mean, i i fully fully acknowledge that this equal opportunities policy was initiated at a sub-committee on the ninth of october, ninety-two, so, you know, there isn't an argument on this occasion about previous conservative policies coming forward. right. councillor erm, thank you, mr chairman. -erm, as you know, erm, we did have erm, equal opportunities erm, conference, erm, in erm, what came out of it was the fact that, although you could provide training, it was trying to get the confidence er, into the women to have the the nerve to apply for jobs. +erm, as you know, erm, we did have erm, equal opportunities erm, conference, erm, in erm, what came out of it was the fact that, although you could provide training, it was trying to get the confidence er, into the women to have the the nerve to apply for jobs. erm, and a lot of them training, but unless you can actually erm, increase their confidence, and that is the attitude of the people all over the place. so it's going to take a very long time, because it has been male orientated, but until we get the attitude of the work place, which is encouraging their piers to apply for jobs instead of, oh, of course , i don't think i will apply for that job. -and and the women, are very difficult about apply for the jobs, so i think it's going to take an awful long time, erm, i'm all in favour of equal opportunities, erm, on all accounts, and i would agree with councillor that one of the difficulties about registered dis disability is that, a lot of people who could actually be a registered disabled person, but for reasons of pride, don't want to be registered disabled. +and and the women, are very difficult about apply for the jobs, so i think it's going to take an awful long time, erm, i'm all in favour of equal opportunities, erm, on all accounts, and i would agree with councillor that one of the difficulties about registered dis disability is that, a lot of people who could actually be a registered disabled person, but for reasons of pride, don't want to be registered disabled. erm, a lady could be, try and get the stigma away from that registration. thank you. thank you. @@ -62953,32 +62902,32 @@ right, i i i don't want to repeat what's been said, in fact, i wouldn't like to right. what i would like to say is, that on the, er, er it is question of culture, it does take time, er, in my experience, i've been very interested in theological debate that's run with the ordination of women. in fact, we in methodism we've been ordaining women for the last twenty-five years, and it has become as natural as breathing to us. -but it does take time, and i think, you know, this puts the, this gives the framework in which this can usually open the opportunities and the methodist women are not short of confidence, and i think that's why i married an anglican, you see. +but it does take time, and i think, you know, this puts the, this gives the framework in which this can usually open the opportunities and the methodist women are not short of confidence, and i think that's why i married an anglican, you see. right. -well, it it just gives a framework, with that relieve that problem. +well, it it just gives a framework, with that relieve that problem. right. -thank you, for that ecclesiastical contribution, councillor right, any anybody else wish to speak? +thank you, for that ecclesiastical contribution, councillor right, any anybody else wish to speak? councillor -briefly, chairman, yes, i i fully note that the county council will encourage younger women, especially to come forward, er especially to higher grades as they are under represented er, i think there's hope in the future because college and universities are now more what were considered male dominated territory, more and more women are coming forward, and inevitably by sheer weight of numbers in the years to come they will be er, they will come forward, and i'm sure we will find on a say, chief officers for the county council. -going back to hire and planning section, i bear that all in mind, i do fear that under hire and planning especially, when it says at least they're not at least that is verging on the possible discrimination, because as councillor said, if no one, all all the best males forward, and they're all all better than the females, after four years, say, the erm, surely the highest paid, the temptation is going to be say, that er, for example , that er inferior female employee instead of a inferior female to a male. +briefly, chairman, yes, i i fully note that the county council will encourage younger women, especially to come forward, er especially to higher grades as they are under represented er, i think there's hope in the future because college and universities are now more what were considered male dominated territory, more and more women are coming forward, and inevitably by sheer weight of numbers in the years to come they will be er, they will come forward, and i'm sure we will find on a say, chief officers for the county council. +going back to hire and planning section, i bear that all in mind, i do fear that under hire and planning especially, when it says at least they're not at least that is verging on the possible discrimination, because as councillor said, if no one, all all the best males forward, and they're all all better than the females, after four years, say, the erm, surely the highest paid, the temptation is going to be say, that er, for example , that er inferior female employee instead of a inferior female to a male. erm, i think that sums it up. -when you've coped with a positive situation, which is in fact, i believe is is er, will do more harm that good, as a personal i believe, +when you've coped with a positive situation, which is in fact, i believe is is er, will do more harm that good, as a personal i believe, well, two things, i can assure you that married women will remain the one of the most issue on selection. positive action rather than positive discrimination is the approach, and that, these are targets not erm, contracts, and if after four to eight years, it may well be the case that women have been taken on and have left and at the end of the time, that there there is no woman chartered engineer. but there are targets, and and i think targets are important in order to shape a culture. right. -if nobody else wants to speak, erm, councillor you're to deliver the recommendation. +if nobody else wants to speak, erm, councillor you're to deliver the recommendation. thank you. recommendations one and two. right. thanks, that's paper g. if we could move on to paper h. trade union recognition. jack. yes, chair, if i may, it'll be relatively quick. -we brought a a report to you, er, last time, in relation to trade union recognition in the er b sector, giving up most of our erm, employees have now gone to the independent colleges. +we brought a a report to you, er, last time, in relation to trade union recognition in the er b sector, giving up most of our erm, employees have now gone to the independent colleges. we undertook to, you sorry, you authorised us to de-recognise the three unions that were recognised in that field, if the unions agreed, i have to report that two of them have, and the other one naturally, discussions are still going on. we will report further as necessary. any comments? -no is it agreed with a recommendation. +no is it agreed with a recommendation. agreed. agreed. thank you. @@ -62990,12 +62939,12 @@ thank you, chair. i'm not sure to what extent we in lincolnshire will have to take the local government staff commission seriously. i'm not at all sure that er, monday's announcement will er, make it any clearer, but we will see. it is, however, right and proper that we do report to this sub- committee on the activities of the staff commission, and that i do in the paper before you. -in paragraphs two onwards, i give the names of the local governments staff commission, erm, what their statutory it is, and can i just point out at the bottom of the page, paragraph five, please remember that the staff commission is advisory and it has in itself no mandatory powers. +in paragraphs two onwards, i give the names of the local governments staff commission, erm, what their statutory it is, and can i just point out at the bottom of the page, paragraph five, please remember that the staff commission is advisory and it has in itself no mandatory powers. it may recommend to the government and the government makes its powers, but in itself, it cannot er make any mandatory arrangements. it can merely advise. paragraph six, detailed what the secretary of state of the environment is asking the staff commission to advise him on, and paragraph seven, gives some details of a circular which the staff commission has already put put out, which for the moment at least, really more applies to other authorities such as cleveland, who are now, or the isle of wight, who are now in to this particular situation. staff commission has issued a number of consulta or has issued a consultation paper, and i detail that in paragraph eight, and in our response to that, basically, we have said the nineteen seventy-four arrangements for the staff commission seemed to have worked very well, and we hope the staff commission will, the new staff commission will stick very closely to that, and only vary them when they've got a perfectly good reason for doing so. -in paragraph nine, i report that erm, members of this council including the chair of this committee, vice chair committee councillor met with this local government staff commission here in these offices. +in paragraph nine, i report that erm, members of this council including the chair of this committee, vice chair committee councillor met with this local government staff commission here in these offices. erm, we have a very useful meeting. we direct our, directed our input in our meeting on two erm, strands. firstly, erm, issues of principle, and i i've outlined those in item nine one six, and then acquainted them with the lincolnshire situation, special things that we thought applied in lincolnshire, that they ought to be aware of. @@ -63008,7 +62957,7 @@ in addition, i agree and i have now done so, supplied them with further informat thank you, anybody want to ask any questions on local contribution. not really. sorry -i was just commenting er, you know, we just want to work in the county of lincolnshire, i presume. +i was just commenting er, you know, we just want to work in the county of lincolnshire, i presume. that's right. i mean, there there are two issues. the first is, where is lincoln going, lincolnshire going to left after the local erm, government commission put their proposals forward and the government have a look at them, and then secondly, what our, as we note from item eleven, a fuller report will be brought to this sub-committee when the local government staff commission or the secretary of state to give us definitive advice. @@ -63016,14 +62965,14 @@ so we're waiting on two fronts in a sense. anything else. just, just to comment on councillor -er, one thing i think we highlighted after the meeting with the they're sort of working awareness of the setup in lincolnshire, if you look at the er, structure of the er, commission, one from personnel,chief executives they did seem to have er, very little knowledge of a rural shire county. +er, one thing i think we highlighted after the meeting with the they're sort of working awareness of the setup in lincolnshire, if you look at the er, structure of the er, commission, one from personnel,chief executives they did seem to have er, very little knowledge of a rural shire county. and if you look at, er in para six, arrangements for staff transfers,you couldn't find staff transferring en bloc. they didn't realise the implications of that in lincolnshire was regrettable centralised in a system operating out of lincoln. you know, on er, sort of long process over a number of years. -if er there was the in lincolnshire, try and transfer those, you know, en bloc it's just not on. +if er there was the in lincolnshire, try and transfer those, you know, en bloc it's just not on. and especially with the age group higher er, and again not being disrespectful to anyone, it is, is a lot, the average age is much higher in some of these administrative posts. in other words, people have settled into an environment where they live, and to even attempt to get to talk and get themselves out. -you six off to boston, you six are go round to you know, just stamp them, you know lincoln. +you six off to boston, you six are go round to you know, just stamp them, you know lincoln. and, anyway, we did put them in the picture, they left much more knowledgeable than when they came. that that,i mean, the er, guy from er doncaster was referring to his experiences in nineteen seventy- four, wasn't he?urban area, which is completely different to lincolnshire. and it worried me that these are the sort of people that would have been advised into the committee. @@ -63049,11 +62998,11 @@ thank you. if i may i'll tackle the second one first, and that is to say the proposed er alteration to the compensation regulations. i think it's wise for the local government superannuation scheme. erm, we were consulted by the a c c as it were, between committees and had to respond on proposals for giving individual local authorities wider discretions in paying compensation to their employees, erm, the issue here actually summarised quite well in the digest that you already looked at paper c. the relevant which, at one of which was that the a c c sought powers for local authorities to have a discretione a discretion to award up to an extra, up to fifty two weeks pay in addition to existing statutory requirements. -the proposals department of the environment are actually for sixty- six weeks, but including existing statutory requirements, which can be as much as thirty weeks for the long serving employee. +the proposals department of the environment are actually for sixty- six weeks, but including existing statutory requirements, which can be as much as thirty weeks for the long serving employee. therefore we have supported the a c c line on the basis of the flexibility that it would give you, as an employer, bearing in mind, you don't have to do anything, it will be your choice in the individual case, er, within your policies. we've, as i say, we've supported that. since then, there's also been erm, consultation as to whether that principle, or rather those extensions should be implied =plied to your other pensionable employee groups, i.e. teachers and firemen. -the consultation at present is on teachers and the department for education's view is, that those regulations should not be extended to teachers, but the support of the director of education, county fire officer and county treasurer we have erm, suggested that any change to the local government superannuation scheme should be extended to those other groups, because quite frankly you can't complicate different arrangements if you simple take the score. +the consultation at present is on teachers and the department for education's view is, that those regulations should not be extended to teachers, but the support of the director of education, county fire officer and county treasurer we have erm, suggested that any change to the local government superannuation scheme should be extended to those other groups, because quite frankly you can't complicate different arrangements if you simple take the score. but if you like, governments could do this for the non-teaching staff and not do that for the teaching staff. so i hope that you will agree or confirm the action that we've taken in expressing those sorts of views. one more thing, if i may, we've just been told of the government's first response to the consultation arrangements, sorry, wrong wrong item, it's all right. @@ -63062,7 +63011,7 @@ right. it's an answer, it's on item two. fine. contributions on item two before we move on to item one. -as logic demands right, okay, can we go then, to item one. +as logic demands right, okay, can we go then, to item one. yes, chair, as as as as some management will probably know, erm, the department for environment has had an efficiency scrutiny report, on the local government superannuation scheme, and the finance sub-committee er agree county treasurer's proposals for comment on that, as it were, since the recommendations of the scrutiny report are set out there in paragraph one three of the report before. the three main headings, and i'd like to concentrate on the de-regulation and the flexibility points rather than administration of this . erm, it was not possible to get your views in, as it were, personnel terms rather than financial terms on that er report, but er as it were on your behalf, we supported the treasurer's er recommendation for reasons set out in paragraph one four, and if i can er explain that for you a little little more, de-regulation could mean, that each employing authority has it's own scheme of superannuation, or not, and if not would simply leave employees in a position of taking them off the state scheme s e r p s or going for a personal pension. @@ -63075,26 +63024,26 @@ sorry, and it is this one that we just got an update on. erm, and if if i can just, we will treasurer and ourselves, be reporting to you in more detail on this, in the appropriate areas, but suffice it to say, that the government are accepting the need for further investigation on some of these issues, to look at some of them in the light of the national b u d report, on superannuation and pension arrangements generally, have nevertheless agreed that individual authorities ought to have some more discretion, and the compensation regulations that i mentioned earlier, is one example of that. thank you. i mean, it does seem to appropriate to say, that the both the personnel sub-committee and investment sub-committee are inter-related committees with common agendas. -quite simply, personnel policies that we set can have major impacts on erm, the funding of our superannuation scheme, and i think that at some stage in the future, it may be appropriate to think about a seminar for both of those committee members, to look at both the the good report and the the department of environment scrutiny, erm so. +quite simply, personnel policies that we set can have major impacts on erm, the funding of our superannuation scheme, and i think that at some stage in the future, it may be appropriate to think about a seminar for both of those committee members, to look at both the the good report and the the department of environment scrutiny, erm so. anybody want to make a contribution. councillor yes, just a point of definition, really. -i i i just wondered with the so-called if staff members independent advice, erm, on what is best for them to do with superannuation pension scheme. +i i i just wondered with the so-called if staff members independent advice, erm, on what is best for them to do with superannuation pension scheme. normally, we'd have -yeah, normally we'd have roy here. +yeah, normally we'd have roy here. but he's in hospital, i believe, at the moment. -who wants to take -but but but the answer is that, i'm not sure of officers, but it's something like county treasurer, one of the existing county treasurers and the superannuation manager, roy are registered as independent advisers. +who wants to take +but but but the answer is that, i'm not sure of officers, but it's something like county treasurer, one of the existing county treasurers and the superannuation manager, roy are registered as independent advisers. i think they may be rethinking that, and maybe bringing proposals back to you, but that's the crunch. councillor i totally agree that there is er i think, probably a need for seminar, you know,it's an area, it's er, it's changing, you know, all the time. erm, we all know the problems that some people have got into by opting out. yes. yes. -and that er, you know, has lead to a lot of misery in some cases, er, also i mean there's question of viability of our own scheme and i er, think er you know, er there are a number of questions which i as a lay-man would like to be, you know, i think the seminar is probably the right to do that. +and that er, you know, has lead to a lot of misery in some cases, er, also i mean there's question of viability of our own scheme and i er, think er you know, er there are a number of questions which i as a lay-man would like to be, you know, i think the seminar is probably the right to do that. i would er, if it depends on timing, because i'm not sure when government reports are coming out. -anyone excuse me. +anyone excuse me. right. do we agree the recommendations, then. agree. @@ -63117,7 +63066,7 @@ thank you, chris. can we look at appendix a, first. the recommendation is simply that it be noted and i wondered if anybody wanted to make a contribution, or ask any questions, put anything forward, on appendix a. councillor yes, thank you, chairman. -i would, i would hope that as erm, as a committee we can support all these objectives, er, it does give me some cause for concern, that our own government is objecting to these provisions. +i would, i would hope that as erm, as a committee we can support all these objectives, er, it does give me some cause for concern, that our own government is objecting to these provisions. erm, just to comment on, for example, maximum average erm, hourly week, forty-eight hours. erm, only the other day in the transportation department we were talking about drivers hours and er, it's obvious implication there on road safety where the government are trying to relax the provisions, for what's the european committee are trying to tighten them up. and er, we see on the media, very often, the problems faced by doctors in hospitals working eighty hours. @@ -63126,21 +63075,21 @@ i hope we can support this one. thank you. councillor er, yes, mr chairman. -it night-shift not to exceed eight hours. -quite a number of people on of twelve. +it night-shift not to exceed eight hours. +quite a number of people on of twelve. er, how's it going to affect them, they're quite happy to do it, and er. there won't be a deregulation, of course. hang on, jim,ji ji , i'll write your name down, all right. right, hang on, right. carry on. -you see people of priority, that deliver employment, mr chairman. -whether they go on late at night, or, hair cut the next morning, it's not, it's not to the wall, but er, this would appear to cut right across the board. +you see people of priority, that deliver employment, mr chairman. +whether they go on late at night, or, hair cut the next morning, it's not, it's not to the wall, but er, this would appear to cut right across the board. that they aren't going to be allowed to do that. which means some changing at night, or doing a bit with the night, or other one. right. how, how, how does that fit in to right. -that's that's part of, of presumably, one of the objections from the u k government, erm, that essentially, it's saying that that these arguments can't be, justified on health and safety grounds and that that the approach, de-regulation and freedom in the market to al allow people to do what they want to do, which is the fact that they, if they want to work twelve hours, then presumably the government and yourself are supporting that that freedom. +that's that's part of, of presumably, one of the objections from the u k government, erm, that essentially, it's saying that that these arguments can't be, justified on health and safety grounds and that that the approach, de-regulation and freedom in the market to al allow people to do what they want to do, which is the fact that they, if they want to work twelve hours, then presumably the government and yourself are supporting that that freedom. on the other hand, one can argue that it's not about, necessarily, what individuals want to do, it's about providing a framework that is good in health and safety terms. well, well, this this is what i'm getting at, mr chairman, mr chairman. er quite a few, i know, in security work, they prepared to go on not later than eight o'clock at night. @@ -63149,29 +63098,29 @@ regulation tends, is intending is what they want to do. regulation is intended to protect everybody's interest. councillor erm, -i'm glad you said that, chairman,i was i was just thinking erm, cut out the but, regarding on equal opportunities, erm, policies, as we've been discussing already, i would have thought housewives would have been delighted to have conservative hours rest presumably i just thought i was +i'm glad you said that, chairman,i was i was just thinking erm, cut out the but, regarding on equal opportunities, erm, policies, as we've been discussing already, i would have thought housewives would have been delighted to have conservative hours rest presumably i just thought i was the right contribution helps our meetings. councillor er, thank you, chairman. well, i give a vote that erm, because certainly not everybody's aware that er, this er service director is merely a way to get round to payments that different people have opt out of the social chapter. well, what people forget is that, if you put employers in a straight-jacket, the people who suffer first, are the employees, which as you appreciate will not take on the future. -one of the reasons why er kenneth has a respectable crippling this country, is because there is more flexibility over there to this country. +one of the reasons why er kenneth has a respectable crippling this country, is because there is more flexibility over there to this country. advice is taking people off, with, in the knowledge that they will not necessarily, er, er, er put themselves in a straight-jacket. -er, we keep meaning look at certain things report a eight hour week, including overtime, have a record period of four months and then the filing industry take it away, the work is seasonal. -that's the of con of considerable concern, and it will mean possibly that faith er farm workers who rely on overtime to increase it's wages will will suffer as a result. -so i do hope er that we that we do not support this, er, we've got to remember, it's not, europe, is not the end all and be all of the world, there is a there is a far east out there, there's the japans of the world, the koreans. -their employee costs are much lower than ours, their social costs are much lower than ours and in and in the real world, we have to compete with them, and the boiling point will come from being competitive, supplying goods and services at a cost that the other countries will not by putting themselves in straight-jackets. +er, we keep meaning look at certain things report a eight hour week, including overtime, have a record period of four months and then the filing industry take it away, the work is seasonal. +that's the of con of considerable concern, and it will mean possibly that faith er farm workers who rely on overtime to increase it's wages will will suffer as a result. +so i do hope er that we that we do not support this, er, we've got to remember, it's not, europe, is not the end all and be all of the world, there is a there is a far east out there, there's the japans of the world, the koreans. +their employee costs are much lower than ours, their social costs are much lower than ours and in and in the real world, we have to compete with them, and the boiling point will come from being competitive, supplying goods and services at a cost that the other countries will not by putting themselves in straight-jackets. thanks. councillor -oh yes, i've come to er just ask the advice on the officers on the appendix a six er, negotiations., i.e. flexibility clauses for certain circumstances, for certain mistakes. +oh yes, i've come to er just ask the advice on the officers on the appendix a six er, negotiations., i.e. flexibility clauses for certain circumstances, for certain mistakes. flexibility er in implementation, and i think that that is the necessary part of it. but what, i think we do need to have is quite a a a a a we've not a no solution body who would agree with me, er you know, some of the things that have gone on within the er er agricultural industry in terms of gang masters, which is if if surely if if if we had been more clearly defined if would enforce probably the whole industry into disrepute, and i feel that we do need a a a a a a a framework, with a with a supply into europe, because in the end we will not just be competing against other european countries we will be competing against the third world and some producers that are producing very different situations, so, i i think er, and and i'm concerned that it is the, it is that delegation, and it is the interpretation that our own government will put on it, because there's been so much mythology surrounding europe. -i went to the er conference that we had at stokewatchford, which together with er, john, er my vice chairman er on europe, the other week, and there is so much mythology, er, that has been dispensed by people who are half-hearted towards europe or got a vested interest in no has not been committed to europe, and and they use this, and in fact the classic example was, that, one of our own lincolnshire m p's claimed that he had saved , lincolnshire's from the ravages of europe. +i went to the er conference that we had at stokewatchford, which together with er, john, er my vice chairman er on europe, the other week, and there is so much mythology, er, that has been dispensed by people who are half-hearted towards europe or got a vested interest in no has not been committed to europe, and and they use this, and in fact the classic example was, that, one of our own lincolnshire m p's claimed that he had saved , lincolnshire's from the ravages of europe. absolute nonsense and he took an accolade for that, when in fact, it was never under any threat from european legislation, it was our own british food act, and that, our own interpretation of european war, that has brought the threat to us. -so i think that there's, i welcome, you know, the social chapter on that basis, but it does clearly say, and prescribe, er something that can only be universally applied, and if there are, there is need, there is need, er there is scope for that, with delegation through particular industries, particular circumstances. +so i think that there's, i welcome, you know, the social chapter on that basis, but it does clearly say, and prescribe, er something that can only be universally applied, and if there are, there is need, there is need, er there is scope for that, with delegation through particular industries, particular circumstances. thank you,thank you. -councillor and then councillor and then we can take the recommendation. -first of all, councillor comments,erm, you know, there seems to be this this er conservative mentality, that is let's drive all our working conditions down to the level of the competition, which means, you know, we would have a a mining industry if we were prepared to put children in, like that do in columbia. +councillor and then councillor and then we can take the recommendation. +first of all, councillor comments,erm, you know, there seems to be this this er conservative mentality, that is let's drive all our working conditions down to the level of the competition, which means, you know, we would have a a mining industry if we were prepared to put children in, like that do in columbia. now, now i, now i, personal arguments has always been that we raise people's standards, out there, throughout the world. not not, bring people down to the worst conditions that we can find in the world to be competitive. this is, it it's not the attitude that we need to be taking, and there's no where else we'd be supporting in, in in this, er, opposition to this particular european council of directive. @@ -63180,7 +63129,7 @@ it's just those few, committed capitalists that see profits as the only, the onl thank you, thank you. councillor yes, er thank you chair. -i can't see anyone can disagree with the objection +i can't see anyone can disagree with the objection oh you can, i mean, we've just heard some. yes, well probably, it's time for me to try and change his mind. er, because er, we, do we want the rest of the world to follow us, not for us to follow the rest of the world. @@ -63192,11 +63141,10 @@ because we mustn't miss the point, it does say, it's er, the government is objec now this is leading towards that, to make people work too long, especially part-time jobs, come from one to another. they could be very tired, we've seen er, er the consequences of that and er, a lot of er these accidents happening on er, with the coaches and one thing and another. because people have done one job, during the day, and then having to go on to another job at night, and make no mistake, that, you know, this is the sort of legislation that we need, to protect us, the public from what, you know, the consequences of somebody working - right. right then, so what's that called? what is four beat note called? -erm oh ! +erm oh ! a semibreve. a semibreve, right. and a, one beat note is called is a @@ -63211,7 +63159,7 @@ oh er qua quaver. good. -and a ha a quarter of a beat is do you know what a half mean? +and a ha a quarter of a beat is do you know what a half mean? do you know what the, a word for half is? mm mm. no. @@ -63227,20 +63175,20 @@ a quarter. and, a quarte , a half of a quarter half of a quarter. i dunno. -it's called a a demisemiquaver. +it's called a a demisemiquaver. demisemiquaver. yes. you don't have to know that for now. okay . you don't have to even know until you pass your grade one. -oh right, so did you have a good +oh right, so did you have a good going to listen in to actual conversation. are you recording? oh sir, can i start again yep. please sir? dee -right, now you're doing what i used to do what i used to do when i started, okay? +right, now you're doing what i used to do what i used to do when i started, okay? you're rushing. i still do. okay. @@ -63253,7 +63201,7 @@ yeah. all what like, what type of notes are they? crotchets. and what's that last one? -er qua , er a minim. +er qua , er a minim. and, d'ya notice something special about that minim? yes. that one there? @@ -63267,7 +63215,7 @@ no, it's,almo , almost right but and yeah, but, it's cos it's high up. once oh yeah. -once a note is drawn higher than that middle line the tails start to go in the opposite direction. +once a note is drawn higher than that middle line the tails start to go in the opposite direction. oh. yeah? right, yeah. @@ -63289,7 +63237,7 @@ one, after three right. okay. one , two, three. -after three so it's one, two, three. +after three so it's one, two, three. just then. oh sorry . so @@ -63308,16 +63256,16 @@ just there. right now what number does it say under the, underneath that c? one. what, what finger's that then? -erm this one. +erm this one. and, what, what's the other number? -five, so you start on erm this finger. +five, so you start on erm this finger. alright. so, let's hear it. it's, now right, yeah. -you we , i'm glad you said that cos, i'm not sure if i told you this before but d'ya remember what these numbers here mean? +you we , i'm glad you said that cos, i'm not sure if i told you this before but d'ya remember what these numbers here mean? i've told you. oh. -tt, erm does it mean like how many in a bar? +tt, erm does it mean like how many in a bar? yeah. it means, four means crotchets. that's what four means. @@ -63325,7 +63273,7 @@ ah ah. it means crotchet. it's stupid i know. okay. -and how many crotche , if there's a four it's a crotchet, and the +and how many crotche , if there's a four it's a crotchet, and the yeah. thing above tells you how many there are. oh so that's two crotchets. @@ -63334,10 +63282,10 @@ two. and that one? two. and that one? -erm two. +erm two. there's, yeah, that's right. -so now this one how many crotchets are there? -erm three. +so now this one how many crotchets are there? +erm three. and how many crotchets in the bar? one, two two @@ -63349,13 +63297,13 @@ right there's two. that's good. now you see that little dot afterwards? yeah. -that means half, put the note in half, so what's half of two? +that means half, put the note in half, so what's half of two? one crotchet one. right. add half. half is one. not right. -okay, it's all, the actual saying is, half the note added on. +okay, it's all, the actual saying is, half the note added on. oh! right er so, what's half of two? @@ -63373,7 +63321,7 @@ one and oh no. a half. one and half of to , one and a half. -right now, let's see, erm let's try another one. +right now, let's see, erm let's try another one. four. go on you do that one. you've got a dotted four, dotted semigrave. @@ -63384,7 +63332,7 @@ add another two mm. is four. alright. -just you got four, here's four, yeah? +just you got four, here's four, yeah? right. you wanna find out what half of four is. yeah. @@ -63398,7 +63346,7 @@ same with two, you've got two you ge , cut them in half, add one. oh right, to make three. three. ah right. -so erm that's this, you wouldn't get this one, but what about eight? +so erm that's this, you wouldn't get this one, but what about eight? a dotted eight on. and you cut it yeah. @@ -63418,22 +63366,22 @@ so let's try a higher one. right. twelve itself. twelve right. -cut it in half, six you add four? +cut it in half, six you add four? no you add six onto twelve. -add six to twelve +add six to twelve because twelve is the number you started with, yeah? start mm. -the number you start with, you keep that in your head and you always add the number you find out onto that. +the number you start with, you keep that in your head and you always add the number you find out onto that. so if that's been cut in half, mm. -you always add the other half +you always add the other half yeah, you add wha onto the twelve? yeah, d'ya know. the number you cut in half yeah. -remember how it was in the first place so if you cut four in half, remember four +remember how it was in the first place so if you cut four in half, remember four yeah. and add half of four. oh, so that makes six. @@ -63442,7 +63390,7 @@ alright. yeah. do it to eight. right eight. -right you cut it in four, so that's four but you remember the eight, so you add the other four +right you cut it in four, so that's four but you remember the eight, so you add the other four mhm. which is twelve. good. @@ -63450,7 +63398,7 @@ you got it now? yeah. yeah? you sure? -right, so how many in that bar? +right, so how many in that bar? er, three. good. right now, what about this one? @@ -63459,7 +63407,7 @@ do you remember what started this conversation? er, yeah. what happened? what did you do? -i erm i went, one, two faster. +i erm i went, one, two faster. yeah. no, you wa , you went i went one, two, three. @@ -63467,10 +63415,10 @@ one, two, three. oh right. and there's only two. oh yeah. -so really you'd say one, two, or one, two, three, four. +so really you'd say one, two, or one, two, three, four. okay? so, go through that again. -one, two,one, ah, i keep missing my way through to these +one, two,one, ah, i keep missing my way through to these that's it. try now. right, now, the problem was there you, you started off too quickly didn't you? @@ -63486,7 +63434,7 @@ i'll say . oh. keep going. alright, one -two right one +two right one count yourself in. one, two, again. @@ -63501,13 +63449,13 @@ oh, like c d, now where's b? is it that, that, that must mm. be right. -c, b, a, c, b f it's quite confusing though. +c, b, a, c, b f it's quite confusing though. c, c, c a, f. oh c, a, f, right. i'll try it this one. one, two, three. sorry. -bit of a +bit of a it's alright take it's , take your time, yeah. go on. think about it. @@ -63530,7 +63478,7 @@ right, will you bring it up to speed. here we go, one, two, three. good. right. -now you count the amount see how long, how long is that bar? +now you count the amount see how long, how long is that bar? it's, a three. good. so you count, you hold it down for three. @@ -63556,10 +63504,10 @@ we just right. we did this didn't we? we started on that. -erm oh yeah! +erm oh yeah! yeah. -have you had a chance to play it at all? -erm i do , i i practise it, i practised it on monday and erm +have you had a chance to play it at all? +erm i do , i i practise it, i practised it on monday and erm that's alright. good. see @@ -63570,7 +63518,7 @@ sort that, right i just . go on then, let's let's see how you do that. see how you do. -yeah, so do i start on this one? +yeah, so do i start on this one? with erm let's start on this one now. you would @@ -63579,7 +63527,7 @@ start on this one, but we'll start on that for now. oh right. c, e, e no it's e f -c, e f e, e e d, right. +c, e f e, e e d, right. one, two, good. one more c, yeah. @@ -63591,7 +63539,7 @@ okay. let's do it a bit faster, ready? mm. one, two. -right, see, you've got, you've actually gotta do , so,at that speed. +right, see, you've got, you've actually gotta do , so,at that speed. okay? alright. don't @@ -63610,7 +63558,7 @@ oh. i've got homework, sorry about that. i'm used to sa , i'm used to being told that at school. -i want you to write the names of these notes up here. +i want you to write the names of these notes up here. the names? the names of them. right. @@ -63626,14 +63574,14 @@ do you remember the rhyme? i know. a b c d e f right. -d'ya remember every good boy deserves football? +d'ya remember every good boy deserves football? oh! oh yeah. and face? yeah. do you remember that? yeah? -i remember when you say it like that . +i remember when you say it like that . and this one, great big dog from america. and, all cows eat grass. oh! @@ -63657,11 +63605,11 @@ literally has a rest, you don't do anything. oh. okay? erm, and when you put the names just play through it once. -you know, just so you know what it is, so when you come into the lesson next week you'll be able to sit down and attempt it. +you know, just so you know what it is, so when you come into the lesson next week you'll be able to sit down and attempt it. yeah. okay? -i try making the erm homework shouldn't i, a bit longer than ten minutes? -cos like, it's before i go to bed i i sort of get my, my organ out and +i try making the erm homework shouldn't i, a bit longer than ten minutes? +cos like, it's before i go to bed i i sort of get my, my organ out and yeah. pra practise. good. @@ -63678,15 +63626,15 @@ the serbs and all those are signing a peace agreement. are they? at night. so what does that mean? -that means that er sa , america says they won't do bomb them or anything yet. +that means that er sa , america says they won't do bomb them or anything yet. no? that's a shame. -but erm they've told them that they better keep to the peace agreement. +but erm they've told them that they better keep to the peace agreement. it's ratified by the bosnian government it's gotta be. -they've signed the bands agreement right? -but if they don't, if they break it or that then er they expect some trouble. -i was talking about er er erm, cannabis and opium and things like that last night, now, i'm sure i'm right and these others were wrong, how do you get opium? -it's sta you erm draw up +they've signed the bands agreement right? +but if they don't, if they break it or that then er they expect some trouble. +i was talking about er er erm, cannabis and opium and things like that last night, now, i'm sure i'm right and these others were wrong, how do you get opium? +it's sta you erm draw up describe how you think it's the seeds of er is it the seeds? @@ -63704,9 +63652,9 @@ i don't believe that. you can eat poppy seeds. i, d'ya know that, do you know our poppies in the garden, those big ones? yeah. -do you when i sa , if you split them at the edge, do you know when the things died off, the poppies there? +do you when i sa , if you split them at the edge, do you know when the things died off, the poppies there? yeah. -and when it's still green if you get a little knife and just slit down like that, a sap comes out, all +and when it's still green if you get a little knife and just slit down like that, a sap comes out, all yeah. sa sa sap. it's not @@ -63738,8 +63686,8 @@ was it mum? don, well mum wasn't what did mum say? certain. -this don and his wife and er gail and her husband, you know intelligent people. -you should have told them that about the poppy seeds. +this don and his wife and er gail and her husband, you know intelligent people. +you should have told them that about the poppy seeds. you should have said, you eat poppy seeds on rolls. yeah! cos you do. @@ -63752,12 +63700,12 @@ no, no one thought that was right. there was still arguments. did you, did tha that come up about eating them? poppy seeds? -someone said about the poppy, you can eat poppy seed, but then someone else said no wonder i was addicted to rolls, you know, poppy seeds rolls, but erm no i didn't argue about it, i just oh well okay, that's fine. +someone said about the poppy, you can eat poppy seed, but then someone else said no wonder i was addicted to rolls, you know, poppy seeds rolls, but erm no i didn't argue about it, i just oh well okay, that's fine. i said i thought it was that way but, you know, agreed with them. but i'm sure i was right and they were wrong. do you know what i find amazing? mm mm? -how the shop in trungeon square the chinese restaurant right +how the shop in trungeon square the chinese restaurant right yes this stays open? yeah i tho , i've been thinking that as i walk by it. @@ -63765,16 +63713,16 @@ you never see anyone in it. no. do you think it's a front for something? chinese laundry. -unless it's cos they live there as well don't they? +unless it's cos they live there as well don't they? yeah. maybe. -so that's like their accommodation. -whereas other people i wonder if they lived in their one. +so that's like their accommodation. +whereas other people i wonder if they lived in their one. probably don't do they? what one? -the other people in the other shops, would they live in them do you think? +the other people in the other shops, would they live in them do you think? ah ah! -would the newsagent live, they'd live in there wouldn't they? +would the newsagent live, they'd live in there wouldn't they? no they don't. would the greengrocers be living there? no they don't. @@ -63783,7 +63731,7 @@ na which one's that? nazim. no, which shop is that? -ee, i dunno, he lives, his shop is in edmonton, he lives, lives down here one . +ee, i dunno, he lives, his shop is in edmonton, he lives, lives down here one . oh i see, yeah. but cos @@ -63792,7 +63740,7 @@ cos he has to work at five o'clock each morning. oh! ah they've gone. you wouldn't even know that was in there would you? -oh yeah, a little bit of . +oh yeah, a little bit of . and there's a tandoori. there's hundreds of the bloody things int there? hong kong house. @@ -63813,47 +63761,46 @@ you got no money? yeah i got it? two fifty? yeah. - -erm can i also introduce you to the fact there erm maureen i will explain briefly about er maureen's presence here. -longmans, the well-known publishers are producing something called the spoken corpus which is er a a record of the way in which english is used. -erm which -yes erm the the aim of the exercise is to record several millions of words of spoken english and they translate them into erm a work +erm can i also introduce you to the fact there erm maureen i will explain briefly about er maureen's presence here. +longmans, the well-known publishers are producing something called the spoken corpus which is er a a record of the way in which english is used. +erm which +yes erm the the aim of the exercise is to record several millions of words of spoken english and they translate them into erm a work i bet she's a friend of yours. -and are translated into a work for academic and study for the purpose of general knowledge about the english language. -erm i took the liberty of saying yes to maureen to come along and record the language debate . +and are translated into a work for academic and study for the purpose of general knowledge about the english language. +erm i took the liberty of saying yes to maureen to come along and record the language debate . i must stop using my words so carefully. yes and erm shh it is anonymous. -it's merely recording the words we use are taken down on a scrap of paper context i don't but used. +it's merely recording the words we use are taken down on a scrap of paper context i don't but used. the the there is nothing -and erm and erm i would really formally ask the board if, if there is any objection to our deliberations being recorded and taken down and used for another purpose. -if there is anything that comes up and one feels sensitive about then then we can ask for them to switch the machine off. +and erm and erm i would really formally ask the board if, if there is any objection to our deliberations being recorded and taken down and used for another purpose. +if there is anything that comes up and one feels sensitive about then then we can ask for them to switch the machine off. maureen okay? thank you. -if i could just put it over here because it'll be i think i, i'm a little bit far away over there. +if i could just put it over here because it'll be i think i, i'm a little bit far away over there. would that be okay? yes. erm i can possibly yeah, put it near roger, he does most of the talking. well i did gather that. -if if i co , if i could just put it there +if if i co , if i could just put it there right. -it doesn't record does it? +it doesn't record does it? mm? it doesn't record nods does it? no there's no camera. right. right. -and if i sit here tape runs out i'll see it and click. +and if i sit here tape runs out i'll see it and click. right. it's running now. thank you. well we don't have to pay attention to it and er it's not necessary to record every word is it? you want a selection of things and -we'll just pull out +we'll just pull out we don't have to speak at it or anything. no, not at all. no, no. @@ -63861,33 +63808,33 @@ no. right. to the agenda. erm apologies for absence. -erm er er mrs, jackie is not coming. +erm er er mrs, jackie is not coming. er i think he's in london he said. or at the metro centre i'm not sure which. somewhere down south anyway. anybody else? no? -oh yes , yes, sent his apologies, right. +oh yes , yes, sent his apologies, right. er minutes of the previous board meeting. the sixth of may. -take them matters arising that aren't on the agenda. +take them matters arising that aren't on the agenda. minute by minute. so if anybody has anything they wish to raise perhaps they could raise it as i mention the minute. -ten ninety two eleven ninety two twelve ninety two well can i just say that the the process of replacing er people on maternity leave is progressing. -andrew has been appointed the temporary administrator. -he came from the er amongst other things inland revenue and er very welcome addition to staff and er has quite a, a good grasp of many er sort of national bodies and institutions and so on and is very helpful, and is settling in very well and well-liked. -erm the other posts interviews are progressing. -we have made as we intended to do, if you remember we er advertised widely in accordance with our equal opportunities policy, er for that post but also i think in accordance with equal opportunity we wanted to give people the er chance to develop their range of skills internally for some of the er lower grade posts and therefore er initially the other posts er have been advertised internally and we filled the temporary er assistant administration erm post er internally. -er that is deborah who is er works in reception. -erm and we are now moving on to fill the senior customer services post. -er we did erm er go through the selection procedure with internal candidates but were unable to appoint, and so therefore are advertising that in the press in the normal way er although both candidates have been told that they may reapply. +ten ninety two eleven ninety two twelve ninety two well can i just say that the the process of replacing er people on maternity leave is progressing. +andrew has been appointed the temporary administrator. +he came from the er amongst other things inland revenue and er very welcome addition to staff and er has quite a, a good grasp of many er sort of national bodies and institutions and so on and is very helpful, and is settling in very well and well-liked. +erm the other posts interviews are progressing. +we have made as we intended to do, if you remember we er advertised widely in accordance with our equal opportunities policy, er for that post but also i think in accordance with equal opportunity we wanted to give people the er chance to develop their range of skills internally for some of the er lower grade posts and therefore er initially the other posts er have been advertised internally and we filled the temporary er assistant administration erm post er internally. +er that is deborah who is er works in reception. +erm and we are now moving on to fill the senior customer services post. +er we did erm er go through the selection procedure with internal candidates but were unable to appoint, and so therefore are advertising that in the press in the normal way er although both candidates have been told that they may reapply. erm and then there's, there will be obviously a knock on effect in erm depending on who's appointed. and that's proceeding according to plan. no more pregnancies to report? not as yet, no. three's quite enough. -erm minute thirteen ninety two -twelve three actually +erm minute thirteen ninety two +twelve three actually i just did twelve ninety two. i see. there weren't, you want , yes? @@ -63897,17 +63844,17 @@ right so twelve three er just to report that channel four have actually er renew er still got to be there for it. well, but they did say in their letter -that this will be the last year because er from next year well irrespective of whether they're sequestered i hope our sponsorship money won't be sequestered with it but +that this will be the last year because er from next year well irrespective of whether they're sequestered i hope our sponsorship money won't be sequestered with it but that's a good word to use. it is isn't it? yes. we use it a lot in these meetings don't we? -er that irrespective of their se sequestration and other ations erm or isms er they are going to sponsor us this year but not in future. -and erm the only other outstanding sponsor from last year was northern rock and that has been a bit of a qu a problem because er it's, we haven't had a closing gala event which might attract them but just recently erm paul who as you know performed last year with his band so er well er is, had rang me and said that they are doing something in venice and they could in fact take the boat to hull rather than to dover and bring it here and i'm, so i'm working on the assumption that we might have that. +er that irrespective of their se sequestration and other ations erm or isms er they are going to sponsor us this year but not in future. +and erm the only other outstanding sponsor from last year was northern rock and that has been a bit of a qu a problem because er it's, we haven't had a closing gala event which might attract them but just recently erm paul who as you know performed last year with his band so er well er is, had rang me and said that they are doing something in venice and they could in fact take the boat to hull rather than to dover and bring it here and i'm, so i'm working on the assumption that we might have that. it's a film called seventh heaven which is about a love affair in the sewers in nineteen twenty seven. sewers of paris, incidentally, in nineteen twenty seven. oh that's alright then. -and it's wonderfully, wonderfully romantic and i think therefore may suit er the board and guests of northern rock er very well. +and it's wonderfully, wonderfully romantic and i think therefore may suit er the board and guests of northern rock er very well. er and hopefully i can attract them to that. we'll have to see if we can or not. i don't know. @@ -63915,64 +63862,64 @@ if not we'll try northumbria water. yes good idea. thank you. -erm thirteen one. +erm thirteen one. th there isn't a erm a note on this one. do, do you want to discuss this now or later? -well we +well we under attendance report? well i , yes. -come to on that one. +come to on that one. right. -. thirteen two fourteen one fourteen two which you're reporting on later. +. thirteen two fourteen one fourteen two which you're reporting on later. yes. fourteen three. -yes i erm i would like to point out that we are looking er very closely at the sales and i've just had a report on my desk from the head of finance which is the beginning of the discussions in the management team on er the sales erm and relation of loss of sales to profit and so on and the now we, the shop is in that position we've had time t we have more time to assess how things are working out. +yes i erm i would like to point out that we are looking er very closely at the sales and i've just had a report on my desk from the head of finance which is the beginning of the discussions in the management team on er the sales erm and relation of loss of sales to profit and so on and the now we, the shop is in that position we've had time t we have more time to assess how things are working out. we shall be analyzing that and i shall be reporting back to you in due course. -fifteen sixteen one will you be reporting on anything here? +fifteen sixteen one will you be reporting on anything here? no. later on ? -erm +erm anything you want to ? don't think so. -erm yes, there is one thing there. +erm yes, there is one thing there. not later on, i i'd like to do it now. -estimates were sought to replace the refreshment counter and erm indeed we went ahead with one of the estimates and the firm then went bankrupt in the meantime which erm i imagine is something colin that you're well used to. +estimates were sought to replace the refreshment counter and erm indeed we went ahead with one of the estimates and the firm then went bankrupt in the meantime which erm i imagine is something colin that you're well used to. occupational hazard these days. -er so there will be er a loss to us there of about three hundred pounds because erm we were asking for something to be made and therefore i think i would say quite rightly but in view of this experience perhaps never again, er made some advance contribution, you know to the cost or made some, gave some money in advance blah blah blah. -that erm it might be wise or advisable, i'd be interested to hear your views colin and others perhaps even council procedures, you know on, on how far you can go in checking out er because i mean, you know you get something which tells you what was happening three weeks ago. +er so there will be er a loss to us there of about three hundred pounds because erm we were asking for something to be made and therefore i think i would say quite rightly but in view of this experience perhaps never again, er made some advance contribution, you know to the cost or made some, gave some money in advance blah blah blah. +that erm it might be wise or advisable, i'd be interested to hear your views colin and others perhaps even council procedures, you know on, on how far you can go in checking out er because i mean, you know you get something which tells you what was happening three weeks ago. and actually we've had a very full report from the auditors which makes extremely interesting and somewhat hilarious reading. -i suppose er thank goodness we didn't er invest any further money in their operation. -but i mean really if the auditors don't put, point out some of these things like the level of directors' salaries and the level of erm ongoing deficit and blah blah blah which now come to light, i don't see really how we can ever hope to discover them. +i suppose er thank goodness we didn't er invest any further money in their operation. +but i mean really if the auditors don't put, point out some of these things like the level of directors' salaries and the level of erm ongoing deficit and blah blah blah which now come to light, i don't see really how we can ever hope to discover them. but it -well i mean it it i mean it happened in circles in, in the +well i mean it it i mean it happened in circles in, in the oh yes i wasn't er -in the civic centre there was, wasn't there a case where leisure services bought er terribly +in the civic centre there was, wasn't there a case where leisure services bought er terribly it's a touchy subject that. oh right. it was some such very similar situation but it involved a lot more money than you've lost. -i hope +i hope i i er yes. -in in that connection i think perhaps what we could usefully say -just by way of comparison for rough guidance that there is a regulation or or something like that which says, if i remember rightly, that erm er payments must not be made for either services or goods not supplied above a figure of two thousand pounds without er being taken to committee first. +in in that connection i think perhaps what we could usefully say +just by way of comparison for rough guidance that there is a regulation or or something like that which says, if i remember rightly, that erm er payments must not be made for either services or goods not supplied above a figure of two thousand pounds without er being taken to committee first. mhm. -council discretion. +council discretion. so there is a check built in to the, to the council procedures. which you mm. you might like to think of. not the figure of two thousand i suspect yes. -but a figure appropriate amount . +but a figure appropriate amount . well we do have in front of us don't we, the paper mm. -about the financial controls and erm . +about the financial controls and erm . but erm it's it's an irrevocable situation is it? -presumably the materials that were bought not are still there. +presumably the materials that were bought not are still there. the receiver's got to dispose of them at some stage. mm. did the assets all disappear? -er without going back to the report i have no i i i can't remember the the fine details. +er without going back to the report i have no i i i can't remember the the fine details. i mean you know i'm just reporting to you er i mean i don't think it's worth list of creditors. @@ -63981,9 +63928,9 @@ we'll go on the list of creditors and if there happens to be any payment at the that's right. get a proportion of it. yes. -i doubt whether there'll be penny in the pound. -there won't be secure creditors like banks and so on will get -the only thing i would say is never pay for anything in advance, particularly construction . +i doubt whether there'll be penny in the pound. +there won't be secure creditors like banks and so on will get +the only thing i would say is never pay for anything in advance, particularly construction . yes. mm. and especially in the current climate. @@ -63993,58 +63940,58 @@ yes. mm. yes i think that's wise advice. yes. -well i mean you know -well the minutes perhaps you'll you'll we will pop that on to our comments and others. -erm just briefly erm the adjustments to the toilet for the disabled and the +well i mean you know +well the minutes perhaps you'll you'll we will pop that on to our comments and others. +erm just briefly erm the adjustments to the toilet for the disabled and the yes they've all been done. -however, talking of fascia you know i mean this is er we could make it er something else then happened which is a lorry went into it. -so er and ripped off some letters blah blah blah, so that's ongoing, you know it's going to be replaced and the er people who did it admitted liability and so forth. +however, talking of fascia you know i mean this is er we could make it er something else then happened which is a lorry went into it. +so er and ripped off some letters blah blah blah, so that's ongoing, you know it's going to be replaced and the er people who did it admitted liability and so forth. you will notice we are now the tynes tynesid inema. -no joke -something or other -is that project now finished or does this retain the -yes it is apparently, yes. -and so therefore i think it would be appropriate er to deliver to you the report of summers and partners for your information. +no joke +something or other +is that project now finished or does this retain the +yes it is apparently, yes. +and so therefore i think it would be appropriate er to deliver to you the report of summers and partners for your information. yes, thank you. we'll have that for the next meeting. -yeah erm sixteen two we will be discussing that draft. -sixteen three sixteen four. +yeah erm sixteen two we will be discussing that draft. +sixteen three sixteen four. what did you decide? well, i decided really, or we decided i suppose to er link it to the festival. -er and therefore erm i think we'd like to to some degree wait and see a bit still because er i think that you know economic circumstances of this particular moment mean that we may just have to consider that further of seeing how things progress really between now and october. -i certainly don't think with the sort of product we have at the moment that there will be any possibility of raising prices before then because i mean, you know, there just aren't any really films which are going to grab people. +er and therefore erm i think we'd like to to some degree wait and see a bit still because er i think that you know economic circumstances of this particular moment mean that we may just have to consider that further of seeing how things progress really between now and october. +i certainly don't think with the sort of product we have at the moment that there will be any possibility of raising prices before then because i mean, you know, there just aren't any really films which are going to grab people. er but at the festival it is an appropriate moment. -whether we would go to the full two fifty i think will have to be you know we'll have to wait till nearer the time . +whether we would go to the full two fifty i think will have to be you know we'll have to wait till nearer the time . right. -erm can i have the proposal that that was a correct record of our deliberations please? +erm can i have the proposal that that was a correct record of our deliberations please? thank you john. a seconder? thank you susie. agreed?report. -i wonder if we could ask we could take the other reports first chair? +i wonder if we could ask we could take the other reports first chair? er attendance -yes -report and the management accounts because there are a number of things which have since, since these minutes er completed and we'd like to bring up in the report but er i think that we'd be as well to look at the +yes +report and the management accounts because there are a number of things which have since, since these minutes er completed and we'd like to bring up in the report but er i think that we'd be as well to look at the i have no objection. -and if we took the attendance report first, in relation to that then we can look at the material presented in the way to which you're accustomed. -but in response and how fortuitous that er colin is with us today -in response to er particularly colin but other people's requests for ah +and if we took the attendance report first, in relation to that then we can look at the material presented in the way to which you're accustomed. +but in response and how fortuitous that er colin is with us today +in response to er particularly colin but other people's requests for ah hello, yes. er i've just missed hearing my name taken in vain. again? yes. -will you be able to share papers because er erm and therefore those papers which we're about to discuss, you had your admissions if you brought your papers with you yes? +will you be able to share papers because er erm and therefore those papers which we're about to discuss, you had your admissions if you brought your papers with you yes? sorry i'm just, can i just sort this out before i go any further? yes. admission reports you had in the papers sent to you. -well roger . -and what i'm saying is we're just reversing the we're going to do the attendance report, financial report and then the chief executive's report because there are a number of issues which i'd like to raise within that. -and, in respect of the admissions report, er as you will recall er colin and others thought that perhaps more information might be useful or would like er to see different ways in which the computer reports er on the er information +well roger . +and what i'm saying is we're just reversing the we're going to do the attendance report, financial report and then the chief executive's report because there are a number of issues which i'd like to raise within that. +and, in respect of the admissions report, er as you will recall er colin and others thought that perhaps more information might be useful or would like er to see different ways in which the computer reports er on the er information mhm. -erm and yes, sorry er +erm and yes, sorry er yes. -and i'm therefore gonna hand round these wodges of alternative erm material. +and i'm therefore gonna hand round these wodges of alternative erm material. i've got one of those you can see on the front what is on offer. they need to go right round. @@ -64057,188 +64004,188 @@ you want some. there we are. susie hasn't got one. i wonder john if you would just like to introduce er jenny to the board. -well jenny is my colleague under the new department of published and broadcast arts. -joined on the first of june and is each other initially to and also as a general of what goes on. -and then we are to allocate between us so responsibility . +well jenny is my colleague under the new department of published and broadcast arts. +joined on the first of june and is each other initially to and also as a general of what goes on. +and then we are to allocate between us so responsibility . jenny you're very welcome. and and we yes, i'm not sure whether we're published or broadcast, i think we're probably narrowcast aren't we? never mind. -well i hope fairly broad on these figures but er so what we have here er as i understand it, is a broad series of options +well i hope fairly broad on these figures but er so what we have here er as i understand it, is a broad series of options yes. -as to the information that can be produced by our computer. -and really erm it's a question of what board members would find the most useful and erm and +as to the information that can be produced by our computer. +and really erm it's a question of what board members would find the most useful and erm and that's right. on the front of those options which are numbered in red there is a break er there is an in you know explanation of what is there. -clearly any or all of these are possible but erm er naturally you would understand that if you had them daily by film you would be having you know ninety pieces of paper er and clearly that may not be appropriate at times well times, you know hundreds by the looks of it now but usually times ten at least. -erm and any of these things could of course be brought to a meeting to be referred to. +clearly any or all of these are possible but erm er naturally you would understand that if you had them daily by film you would be having you know ninety pieces of paper er and clearly that may not be appropriate at times well times, you know hundreds by the looks of it now but usually times ten at least. +erm and any of these things could of course be brought to a meeting to be referred to. erm the thing which we keep daily is number six, is it? -number six which is the thing that we have to look at. +number six which is the thing that we have to look at. er this is the end of the day report and that we keep in a file and they, they could be brought. -and that would give you all the information erm on a daily basis which could be referred to erm performance by performance. +and that would give you all the information erm on a daily basis which could be referred to erm performance by performance. what you have now is an extract if you like. -in other words it's a new it's something which is not done directly from the computer but which is using information the computer provides. -it then erm is made up into this chart by somebody. +in other words it's a new it's something which is not done directly from the computer but which is using information the computer provides. +it then erm is made up into this chart by somebody. i would like if possible not to do that any more, cos clearly that is just a duplication of material already elsewhere available. -and if it were possible for you to decide that one of these options, one to eight, were to suit your regular and usual purposes at these meetings for general discussion then that obviously would be both a saving in erm time and labour and is one of the reasons why one installs computerized equipment so that you don't er then have to do it all manually as well. -obviously i would be very loathe to agree to have to now provide different information again other than that which is going to be readily er available through the computers. +and if it were possible for you to decide that one of these options, one to eight, were to suit your regular and usual purposes at these meetings for general discussion then that obviously would be both a saving in erm time and labour and is one of the reasons why one installs computerized equipment so that you don't er then have to do it all manually as well. +obviously i would be very loathe to agree to have to now provide different information again other than that which is going to be readily er available through the computers. but of course could do so if you so wished. -it doesn't tell us how tall individual +it doesn't tell us how tall individual no. -i was worried about that and er i think that's because it's a german system and everyone is assumed to be over six feet anyway or six feet wide or something. -whether this stuff is available on retrieval because it seems to me what really matters are the trends. +i was worried about that and er i think that's because it's a german system and everyone is assumed to be over six feet anyway or six feet wide or something. +whether this stuff is available on retrieval because it seems to me what really matters are the trends. er i don't think one would ever have the stomach to go through all the detail. and even looking at the figures we get now, i mean others here will take a great deal of interest, one's interested in knowing where you're going and what's , you're looking at those figures yourself anyway. i would expect to get the broad picture and highlights and examples of . and that's what i would have thought was proper for the board to know about. i think beyond that you're getting to very detailed analysis which will take a lot of time, either yours or ours. and i would, i would, i would erm give the minimum and preferably use your own references. -i think if you were to use another sheet altogether it would be for me at least unnecessary work. -i think first of all we have to satisfy ourselves don't we that we're erm fulfilling our cultural obligations cultural policy. -erm given that that is the case, what is, what is the next thing that we we need to know? -are we making the most of the films that we show? -are people er responding to good films? -er, one of the things it won't tell you on here, whether it's a blazing hot day, whether there's snow on the ground or whether it's just pouring, dull and people are coming along. +i think if you were to use another sheet altogether it would be for me at least unnecessary work. +i think first of all we have to satisfy ourselves don't we that we're erm fulfilling our cultural obligations cultural policy. +erm given that that is the case, what is, what is the next thing that we we need to know? +are we making the most of the films that we show? +are people er responding to good films? +er, one of the things it won't tell you on here, whether it's a blazing hot day, whether there's snow on the ground or whether it's just pouring, dull and people are coming along. so there's, there are a number of variables which we, we will never know about. -but i think colin your main concern wasn't it that perhaps we weren't hitting the right slots and ? +but i think colin your main concern wasn't it that perhaps we weren't hitting the right slots and ? use of plant i think was one of the things you were concerned about? sorry? use of plant i think really, wasn't it? one of the things. -er er it was where break even points were. +er er it was where break even points were. and what level of attendance was required to actually break even on a performance. -and i don't wish to know if we've failed to break even on one occasion or whatever but the thing is how often are we failing to break even. -and looking at that in relation to cultural policy. +and i don't wish to know if we've failed to break even on one occasion or whatever but the thing is how often are we failing to break even. +and looking at that in relation to cultural policy. now is there a connection or isn't there a connection? the other thing that concerned me was particular slots which don't seem to ever produce much in the way of attendance or revenue. and whether we had to keep running those slots. -and i agree i don't want to wade through everything but i, i think we need to lay down management information criteria, and only receive information if it's necessary on, on those headings. -i e do we need to know that the trend is changing or do we need to know the particular slots where we get non performance. -and i appreciate and i mean i've discussed with you the, the complications or you've got to keep open certain hours because you've got a catering facility and you've got certain members of staff and you've got to keep projectionists occupied etcetera. -but it did, just my, my quick sieve every time we got these there always appeared to be a slot where it didn't seem to me to be worth being open and and operating +and i agree i don't want to wade through everything but i, i think we need to lay down management information criteria, and only receive information if it's necessary on, on those headings. +i e do we need to know that the trend is changing or do we need to know the particular slots where we get non performance. +and i appreciate and i mean i've discussed with you the, the complications or you've got to keep open certain hours because you've got a catering facility and you've got certain members of staff and you've got to keep projectionists occupied etcetera. +but it did, just my, my quick sieve every time we got these there always appeared to be a slot where it didn't seem to me to be worth being open and and operating mm. because it was such a disaster every time. -and while you were, while you were using a film which you had in anyway for the next day's performance and putting in that slot +and while you were, while you were using a film which you had in anyway for the next day's performance and putting in that slot mhm. it was still costing to stay open and operate. yes. er i mean they're the kinds of things i'm interested in knowing. -i don't want to know the, the intricate de well sometimes i personally do, i'm interested. -but i wouldn't have thought everybody would, would want to wade through it at all times. +i don't want to know the, the intricate de well sometimes i personally do, i'm interested. +but i wouldn't have thought everybody would, would want to wade through it at all times. i i'd like er to personally take this away and have a think about it. mm. -there's a lot of, there's a lot to absorb here and er i wouldn't want to make an immediate reaction. -yes, i i i i've had these for a relatively short period of time. +there's a lot of, there's a lot to absorb here and er i wouldn't want to make an immediate reaction. +yes, i i i i've had these for a relatively short period of time. erm my, i haven't had the time to really absorb what is in them and obviously the board would feel the same. -erm perhaps if, it might be useful if er members took it away? +erm perhaps if, it might be useful if er members took it away? and thought about it. -if they had the opportunity of er looking at it, seeing what there is to be learned. -er if there were holes in the information or whether really whatever board members feel and erm we can consider it at the next meeting. +if they had the opportunity of er looking at it, seeing what there is to be learned. +er if there were holes in the information or whether really whatever board members feel and erm we can consider it at the next meeting. mm. yes. -it's obviously not, not of of er not of a great pressing not a very pressing matter. -it's something which we can have the luxury of considering. +it's obviously not, not of of er not of a great pressing not a very pressing matter. +it's something which we can have the luxury of considering. just following what, what i raised earlier on chairman. -is it possible, supposing you decide you want to have a look and see how well the two o'clock showing if there is one as such +is it possible, supposing you decide you want to have a look and see how well the two o'clock showing if there is one as such mhm mhm. -can that be summed, can you can it do bars back analysis +can that be summed, can you can it do bars back analysis erm from tapes or whatever it is you hold on. oh we do hold the information. -i would need to check with the erm er computer manager you know which fields are takeable, you know how, i don't know if you know computer re how computer records are stored but every piece of information like erm the admission figure, the title, the distributor will be a field and i presume if er any information like the time is in a separate field then you would be able to have a report by fields. +i would need to check with the erm er computer manager you know which fields are takeable, you know how, i don't know if you know computer re how computer records are stored but every piece of information like erm the admission figure, the title, the distributor will be a field and i presume if er any information like the time is in a separate field then you would be able to have a report by fields. if you understand that. mm. -erm so therefore i would say in er theory er my understanding would be that yes we could know whatever you wanted to know about particular fields like every two o'clock over a period of a year or whatever. -erm i couldn't er you'd, i'd need warning of that of course. +erm so therefore i would say in er theory er my understanding would be that yes we could know whatever you wanted to know about particular fields like every two o'clock over a period of a year or whatever. +erm i couldn't er you'd, i'd need warning of that of course. well obviously if, if we take these away there might be questions. -i mean it's exactly how you do it with television what, what changing patterns are there. +i mean it's exactly how you do it with television what, what changing patterns are there. wh what i mean to say is i couldn't in advance guess which field it was that you were going to want at any particular moment. oh no no no no no. do you see what i mean? because you would want one i hadn't got. -erm but i, you know if you said i think you see, i think what colin's raising is a very interesting and important issue and i i naturally you know as a senior manager i'm concerned about it. -that's what you know running any business or organisation means. -you are concerned to fulfil every requirement or factor in relation to erm er you know the principles which that particular body or particular requirement lays down. +erm but i, you know if you said i think you see, i think what colin's raising is a very interesting and important issue and i i naturally you know as a senior manager i'm concerned about it. +that's what you know running any business or organisation means. +you are concerned to fulfil every requirement or factor in relation to erm er you know the principles which that particular body or particular requirement lays down. either those of the market place or of those of funders or of your own cultural aims or equal opportunities or whatever it is. and so therefore at any one time we are working, i mean that's what we do, you know we are working at one particular area. it might be say at equal opportunities which we've worked at a very great deal over the last year. -clearly you can't expect admissions of people with disabilities er for example, taking one aspect of that er cultural and er that policy, to be high if you know the building itself is physically inaccessible. +clearly you can't expect admissions of people with disabilities er for example, taking one aspect of that er cultural and er that policy, to be high if you know the building itself is physically inaccessible. so that has to be worked at and then you, you know, would begin to look at whether that has any effect on your admissions and so on. and, you know, along with marketing and so on we are, we're continually looking at all aspects of that. -now my, my unders my er erm thought would be that in reviewing the management accounts in general and the admissions in general you are keeping a wether eye on that. -and i you know should be and i hope am alerting you to areas where er you know we are falling short. +now my, my unders my er erm thought would be that in reviewing the management accounts in general and the admissions in general you are keeping a wether eye on that. +and i you know should be and i hope am alerting you to areas where er you know we are falling short. or where we are concerned or putting in extra work and so on. erm the particular issue which colin raises is a very important one. -erm and er it could be that we could look at that. +erm and er it could be that we could look at that. i mean it would be interesting to do that. you know, er given enough time and preparation and if we define clearly what it is that we want to analyze, you know i can provide that information er in the form of a report or in a rawish state and we could discuss that. for example you know like erm is it worthwhile opening a cinema at four o'clock would be an interesting question. -and at the end of the day quite considerable potential changes could arise from the results that you might deduce. +and at the end of the day quite considerable potential changes could arise from the results that you might deduce. for example, you know currently, you know our shift pattern with the projectionists for example , you know is generally when they're not on holiday that they're in at er ten o'clock and they work through till eleven. not the same people, but you know that's the shift pattern. -erm and therefore of course there's maintenance and preparation and all that sort of thing. +erm and therefore of course there's maintenance and preparation and all that sort of thing. and at the end of the day you would be into relating what people do in their job descriptions to whether you were getting value for money from those members of staff. -and you'd be into time and motion and so on which i'm sure semina you could erm appreciate and comment on as well. -and yes it erm i mean and therefore we would be reviewing current practices which is that erm you know the film is in the building, the cinema is open, the staff are there and we therefore show a film at four o'clock because there's no extra charge for us doing so and we hope thereby to attract however many er patrons to see it. +and you'd be into time and motion and so on which i'm sure semina you could erm appreciate and comment on as well. +and yes it erm i mean and therefore we would be reviewing current practices which is that erm you know the film is in the building, the cinema is open, the staff are there and we therefore show a film at four o'clock because there's no extra charge for us doing so and we hope thereby to attract however many er patrons to see it. and of course we're offering a service of allowing people to choose to come at four rather than six and we are making ourselves accessible to single mothers who perhaps can't come out in the evening etcetera. so there's a whole range of things there which we're doing. -and at the end of the day then, you have to weigh up whether or not you decide that even though, if you like in the strictest financial terms, it is not profitable to open the cinema and to employ staff doing that although presumably they'd have to be employed doing something else unless you changed their rota patterns nonetheless because of your the demands of funding bodies, your own cultural aims and equal opportunities policies, you've decided that you will do so even though it's going to be marginally a loss in financial terms. -but of course that is a discussion which would be quite proper and er for us to have and for the board to take a view on and er for funders to comment on and so on and so forth. +and at the end of the day then, you have to weigh up whether or not you decide that even though, if you like in the strictest financial terms, it is not profitable to open the cinema and to employ staff doing that although presumably they'd have to be employed doing something else unless you changed their rota patterns nonetheless because of your the demands of funding bodies, your own cultural aims and equal opportunities policies, you've decided that you will do so even though it's going to be marginally a loss in financial terms. +but of course that is a discussion which would be quite proper and er for us to have and for the board to take a view on and er for funders to comment on and so on and so forth. er and it could be done. -but what i would say is that we should perhaps er er you know identify areas where we think we might erm where discussion would be fruitful and then we could marshall the information if we, if we wished to. +but what i would say is that we should perhaps er er you know identify areas where we think we might erm where discussion would be fruitful and then we could marshall the information if we, if we wished to. i mean you know, whatever it is that you you you would want i could do er in theory. given enough time to prepare it. -and therefore any trends or any queries er which emerge from you know whoever erm can be examined and erm discussed. -the only, the only other thing i mean, the other thing which occurs in my mind and you know, as you know it isn't thought through and i want to look at what statistics are now available is i mean the question of increasing shortage of good product. +and therefore any trends or any queries er which emerge from you know whoever erm can be examined and erm discussed. +the only, the only other thing i mean, the other thing which occurs in my mind and you know, as you know it isn't thought through and i want to look at what statistics are now available is i mean the question of increasing shortage of good product. mhm. which seems to me to impact on the same thing. -if we're not gonna have such a good range of product, and we've already got some what might be dud slots +if we're not gonna have such a good range of product, and we've already got some what might be dud slots mhm. er and is that gonna become an increasing factor as, as we continue down the shortage of product. i mean it just seems to me an area which i think i would like to have a bit more information on. i'm not saying, i'm not drawing any conclusions until i know but i'm saying i think it's an area that is perhaps worth investigation. mhm. -and i would be interested just to know how many performances don't actually break even. +and i would be interested just to know how many performances don't actually break even. and is there a regular pattern or is isn't there? you know is it completely variable? or are there certain slots, are there certain times, certain types of product. -we did if you remember colin we did erm produce some figures about break evens er which i gave to you and +we did if you remember colin we did erm produce some figures about break evens er which i gave to you and yes. which are in the minutes. -but of course to some degree you've got to decide what you mean by break even in the sense that er how do you actually i mean that +but of course to some degree you've got to decide what you mean by break even in the sense that er how do you actually i mean that take the subsidy into account or not. yeah. -and how do you proportion costs and so on. +and how do you proportion costs and so on. and we yeah. i appreciate that. we came up with a number of figures. -erm and clearly you know they are of some use. +erm and clearly you know they are of some use. er and at the end of the day you have a figure which you then can offset against what you think your corporate aims and er your other commitments in policy terms. -erm and i think that it is a very useful exercise to discover which things you know fall below that break even point and which things are therefore if you like internally subsidized or which we do for one reason or another. -and you might well argue of course that if you are subsidizing films which have no cultural merit or whatever then why we are doing this and that, that would be a question to to ask. -but erm i feel perhaps we should do it at least over a period, you know rather than +erm and i think that it is a very useful exercise to discover which things you know fall below that break even point and which things are therefore if you like internally subsidized or which we do for one reason or another. +and you might well argue of course that if you are subsidizing films which have no cultural merit or whatever then why we are doing this and that, that would be a question to to ask. +but erm i feel perhaps we should do it at least over a period, you know rather than oh yes. you know er er that's what i'm saying. -if we, if we decide what it is we want to look at and there is a consensus on that and then you look at it over a period of time and see, and see what's revealed by it. +if we, if we decide what it is we want to look at and there is a consensus on that and then you look at it over a period of time and see, and see what's revealed by it. and whether it varies or whether it's consistent. whether a particular pattern's in there. -er but i mean basically at the end of the day, i mean you have to think about to what extent you can increase your sales. +er but i mean basically at the end of the day, i mean you have to think about to what extent you can increase your sales. mhm. to what extent you can increase your subsidy. -erm and sponsorship. +erm and sponsorship. and er to what extent your fixed costs are inevitably going to continue increasing. yes. -and somewhere in there it may be that something's got to give perhaps. +and somewhere in there it may be that something's got to give perhaps. erm and i don't know whether that's the case either but i think all those factors are rolled in together in terms of future strategy. -and er those are the terms i'm thinking. +and er those are the terms i'm thinking. but i mean i'm just speculating here at the moment. yes. i, i mean i think, i agree with you and er clearly these are management concerns. i mean these are the things which you know are our, are our daily er exercising daily our minds and erm i mean all, all we go back to is acknowledges -is when i first raised my question on that with all those things at the back of my mind, i wasn't finding that as we used to get it +is when i first raised my question on that with all those things at the back of my mind, i wasn't finding that as we used to get it no. particularly helpful. and so @@ -64249,56 +64196,56 @@ which is i think where we finished up last time that when we've got the stuff on yes. reinvestigate. that's right. -so we'll leave it at that that we erm the chief executive will be happy to receive your comments, reports, feelings. -i'm sure he'd welcome phone calls if there are things that er +so we'll leave it at that that we erm the chief executive will be happy to receive your comments, reports, feelings. +i'm sure he'd welcome phone calls if there are things that er yes i mean basically we need to first of all decide, i think this is what we're deciding in the first instance, which option for the provision of information you find the most helpful. that's the first question to be decided. -we can't do anything beyond that at this stage cos we first of all need to have the information. +we can't do anything beyond that at this stage cos we first of all need to have the information. so that's the first question for you to think about and reflect on. -when we've reached that, we could then think what way forward there is with this er more efficient a provision of information for analyzing it. +when we've reached that, we could then think what way forward there is with this er more efficient a provision of information for analyzing it. but i don't think we can really er get to that stage beyond this first one. -so i'd be very grateful therefore if er you could put your minds to the options and erm we could discuss that at the next board meeting. -can i, can i just say chairman, finally for point of clarification in case there's any doubt about it i'm not looking to turn it into the, into an absolutely like efficient business you know and everything succumbs to that. -what i am certain about is that there is a long term future for this cinema and that we're aware +so i'd be very grateful therefore if er you could put your minds to the options and erm we could discuss that at the next board meeting. +can i, can i just say chairman, finally for point of clarification in case there's any doubt about it i'm not looking to turn it into the, into an absolutely like efficient business you know and everything succumbs to that. +what i am certain about is that there is a long term future for this cinema and that we're aware yes. -of what needs to be done to en ensure that while pursuing the cultural objectives. +of what needs to be done to en ensure that while pursuing the cultural objectives. yes. yes. i agree entirely. i'm not looking for it to make, make a profit, no. -be super efficient, it's just that there is a chance of keeping going without too +be super efficient, it's just that there is a chance of keeping going without too yes. without having a crisis every other year or whatever. -yes, this is exactly one of the reasons we had a crisis last last time was because erm we didn't know that the then director i'm sure didn't know what, what was happening. -the information wasn't either wasn't available to him or was not understood by him and he wasn't able to interpret it for the board. -and we didn't see the warning signs and then when we had this serious situation it er it it nearly it nearly swamped us. +yes, this is exactly one of the reasons we had a crisis last last time was because erm we didn't know that the then director i'm sure didn't know what, what was happening. +the information wasn't either wasn't available to him or was not understood by him and he wasn't able to interpret it for the board. +and we didn't see the warning signs and then when we had this serious situation it er it it nearly it nearly swamped us. mm. -do we, do we want to go all this in the minutes ? +do we, do we want to go all this in the minutes ? i'm sure you would er sensibly produce minutes which don't offend anyone. er may i also say, and i'm sure you didn't mean to imply because i would certainly like to think we were super efficient. -well pleased -i'd hate to think that that wasn't an aim of management. -i think it yes well, let let's get that clear as well. +well pleased +i'd hate to think that that wasn't an aim of management. +i think it yes well, let let's get that clear as well. i think you know that i think this cinema is well managed. -yes but it was an aim which i'm sure i i would, alright alright +yes but it was an aim which i'm sure i i would, alright alright point taken. it's a good aim. -i mean i i support that aim. -right well let's look at the the accounts then. +i mean i i support that aim. +right well let's look at the the accounts then. the financial report. -erm first quarter, april may and june have those. +erm first quarter, april may and june have those. we haven't got any. has everybody got those? you've got them? -erm has everyone got them? +erm has everyone got them? yes? has anyone got two? are they lurking in front of anyone? two different ones . one's ah. -one's called tyneside cinema account budget ninety two. +one's called tyneside cinema account budget ninety two. yeah that was last meeting. sorry, you've got the last does that, does that belong to the previous @@ -64313,19 +64260,19 @@ you don't. no,. has everyone got them? good. -now erm april was a good month. +now erm april was a good month. and may was a good month. june was much less . at the box office, this is. yeah. erm sorry, i must say -given financial financial reports. +given financial financial reports. i will finally change that to ticket sales. i'm sorry that this word box office keeps occurring. which is one of my pet hates. -erm sh should, we we're entering a a slow period traditionally. +erm sh should, we we're entering a a slow period traditionally. july and august. -yes, june nationally national figures of cinema attendances in june were down forty percent. +yes, june nationally national figures of cinema attendances in june were down forty percent. forty percent. on june last year? on june last year. @@ -64333,46 +64280,46 @@ which is a lot. which is a lot. and er ours held up. -well, they were down but were they down? -yes, they were down by six thousand seven hundred and eighty six pounds. -er i'm sorry, seven thousand five hundred and fifty five on budget but they were down. +well, they were down but were they down? +yes, they were down by six thousand seven hundred and eighty six pounds. +er i'm sorry, seven thousand five hundred and fifty five on budget but they were down. most certainly. and down on the previous year? the previous year by about er four and a half thousand. -on twenty thousand +on twenty thousand twenty thousand last year er budgeted on twenty two this year, fourteen and a half. the weather the weather was very good wasn't it? the weather was superb, yes. i think you'll find all retailers and caterers was, were down. not as much as forty percent but er they were down, yes. you see the british cinema summer is different to the american cinema summer. -as you know american cinema installed air conditioning in the fifties and that re erm late fifties, early sixties and that re revived the american cinema er because people don't go abroad so much in america. -they tend to er summer in america and go to the cinema whether they're on holiday or not. +as you know american cinema installed air conditioning in the fifties and that re erm late fifties, early sixties and that re revived the american cinema er because people don't go abroad so much in america. +they tend to er summer in america and go to the cinema whether they're on holiday or not. but the air conditioning did revive the cinema industry and therefore the summer is geared to new released in america which is not the case erm in er er this is not the case in britain which is traditionally a very slow period erm for releases. -and erm we therefore er experience with our particular audience mix, generally a low july, a very low august. +and erm we therefore er experience with our particular audience mix, generally a low july, a very low august. that's usually our lowest figure. -erm the overall picture as you can see in june is that we revised the budget to show at this moment if this trend continues a deficit of two thousand pounds. -i you know how conservative i am with figures and er with advising you as to what may occur i'm myself relatively confident that erm we shall meet our ticket sales target by the year end and that there will be no as there as there's been in previous years since er the aforementioned not to be noted er crisis. +erm the overall picture as you can see in june is that we revised the budget to show at this moment if this trend continues a deficit of two thousand pounds. +i you know how conservative i am with figures and er with advising you as to what may occur i'm myself relatively confident that erm we shall meet our ticket sales target by the year end and that there will be no as there as there's been in previous years since er the aforementioned not to be noted er crisis. er but er this is the position as it is now and i i've taken the conservative position as always. -just a matter of information erm on on +just a matter of information erm on on floating incomes? -no, on on the revised budget do you just take them on strength or do you do something a bit more sophisticated? +no, on on the revised budget do you just take them on strength or do you do something a bit more sophisticated? erm we're doing something a little bit more sophisticated. which is that we discuss it and see that it would be reasonable to do that. right. er but not much more sophisticated than that. but we don't just simply press a button. right. -we all these figures are discussed and we take into account the previous three years. +we all these figures are discussed and we take into account the previous three years. and we take into account what we know about product up coming which isn't always a lot. -erm and so forth. -a question i would ask is that given the product which you had in june and the fact that presumably you have to take what goes, presumably the fact that they don't send you the strongest stuff erm are you surprised that the figures were down in view of the quality of what you had, or are you surprised it might not have been worse? -i think i'm rather surprised they might not have been worse. -erm if we actually look erm and i don't know if we did introduce to all members bryony who is my assistant and who works very largely on the programme with me and on the educational and events side, and is acting minute secretary while judith is on maternity leave. -but i think bryony if you er also comment, but the films that we had in june like rebecca's daughter erm and until the end of the world erm and erm some re-runs. -they weren't particularly stunning were they? -no, films like rebecca's daughter didn't have reviews. +erm and so forth. +a question i would ask is that given the product which you had in june and the fact that presumably you have to take what goes, presumably the fact that they don't send you the strongest stuff erm are you surprised that the figures were down in view of the quality of what you had, or are you surprised it might not have been worse? +i think i'm rather surprised they might not have been worse. +erm if we actually look erm and i don't know if we did introduce to all members bryony who is my assistant and who works very largely on the programme with me and on the educational and events side, and is acting minute secretary while judith is on maternity leave. +but i think bryony if you er also comment, but the films that we had in june like rebecca's daughter erm and until the end of the world erm and erm some re-runs. +they weren't particularly stunning were they? +no, films like rebecca's daughter didn't have reviews. and cos they didn't have huge national publicity. they weren't very good films really. basically . @@ -64381,16 +64328,16 @@ yes. they had erm, what was it? comedy peter o'toole dressed as elizab elizabeth the first. -i mean they you know. +i mean they you know. and it was a film which really was ill-conceived and quite frankly ridiculous. apart from my private idaho which er i thought that might have been a re-run then? yes. mm. er apart from that really there was nothing very strong at all. -until the end of the world was dire. +until the end of the world was dire. er -and was three hours longer +and was three hours longer yes. well obviously the customers chairman are sensitive to what is actually being shown. they don't simply come through repetitive habit do they? @@ -64399,33 +64346,33 @@ well some do, thankfully. ah. well that's a different matter. that's a cult issue. -but i'm very interested to learn that on monday when er the autobus didn't -erm you know, do come along and er see if it made er what difference it made, no i'm being a bit facetious, but erm there are some people who come anyway. +but i'm very interested to learn that on monday when er the autobus didn't +erm you know, do come along and er see if it made er what difference it made, no i'm being a bit facetious, but erm there are some people who come anyway. there are some people who obviously come at the weekend more to see whatever it is we're showing. -but clearly the majority of our audience is rather discerning and er is making decisions based on erm a whole range of factors to do with the information they receive through marketing and publicity. +but clearly the majority of our audience is rather discerning and er is making decisions based on erm a whole range of factors to do with the information they receive through marketing and publicity. right. ticket sales. -erm any other points that er a board member would like to raise or the chief +erm any other points that er a board member would like to raise or the chief no no. not at all. -the chief executive would like to draw to our attention? -anything er alarming in alarming trends in here? +the chief executive would like to draw to our attention? +anything er alarming in alarming trends in here? i don't think so. no. -is that lost next door? +is that lost next door? er it's upstairs. i'm afraid i can't identify it. mm? ? oh it's ju , yes. can i ask why the education income is, is . -is that, is that a sort of er is that an accidental er do you do you get what comes in through +is that, is that a sort of er is that an accidental er do you do you get what comes in through it's the worst time of the year. most educational income comes between october and april. ah. so although the budget is two thousand that's what, a cumulative budget or a share of the annual budget? which, currently? -er three thousand er three hundred is what er we had budgeted to make by this time. +er three thousand er three hundred is what er we had budgeted to make by this time. right. er this year we actually made three four seven but we're still thinking that we will make two thousand pounds. and in the income does hire refer to hire of this room? @@ -64435,43 +64382,43 @@ erm and again the key times for that is usually september to april. right. yes? thank you very much. -erm your report. -well if i may raise a number of issues under that report. +erm your report. +well if i may raise a number of issues under that report. i don't know when it is that you'd like to take this. whether this is an appropriate moment? -yes, i think +yes, i think but since we've let's let's get that sorted. the erm financial -er i just have a horrid thought oh that was sent out to you wasn't it? +er i just have a horrid thought oh that was sent out to you wasn't it? yes. the statement of financial procedure. good, sorry, just had a thought it wasn't. this is something we discussed and thrashed out last time? yeah. -and should be adopted now unless there are things, further things you wish to discuss. -or members who weren't here or but we did talk this through in some detail. -we took advice from our funders and er we looked through this er on a previous occasion. -it is meant both to set out extraordinary expenditure which was how it arose but at the same time john pointed out that it might be a good thing if we also had an indication of the routine procedures and so therefore they are now set out in one document and are for your er final approval. -i read them and they seem to be er a a direct record of what we'd er agreed. -there is actually one emendation which i put in er just to ex sort of er explicate still further. -under emergency procedure i put in the words in the second line, after having made every reasonable effort to consult with the chief executive. -really to protect members of the management team who might have made a decision. -if you remember the screen was slashed by a phantom lunatic. +and should be adopted now unless there are things, further things you wish to discuss. +or members who weren't here or but we did talk this through in some detail. +we took advice from our funders and er we looked through this er on a previous occasion. +it is meant both to set out extraordinary expenditure which was how it arose but at the same time john pointed out that it might be a good thing if we also had an indication of the routine procedures and so therefore they are now set out in one document and are for your er final approval. +i read them and they seem to be er a a direct record of what we'd er agreed. +there is actually one emendation which i put in er just to ex sort of er explicate still further. +under emergency procedure i put in the words in the second line, after having made every reasonable effort to consult with the chief executive. +really to protect members of the management team who might have made a decision. +if you remember the screen was slashed by a phantom lunatic. well not a phantom lunatic but by a lunatic. well it wasn't, i mean this is an example, sorry. oh right. -but if it were if it were to be slashed or erm you know and er on monday evening we would have to get a screen we would have to replace that screen immediately. -if i were you know unaccountably in the south of france or elsewhere or wherever you know in dundee erm and not available. +but if it were if it were to be slashed or erm you know and er on monday evening we would have to get a screen we would have to replace that screen immediately. +if i were you know unaccountably in the south of france or elsewhere or wherever you know in dundee erm and not available. the south of france is more likely. ha! would that it were. would that it were. erm but i think that i, what i felt was that i should have the right to be consulted and that every reasonable effort should be made to consult me. -because as indeed er has happened er sometimes the real emergency is not that of equipment. -there is a tendency, i i hope not of er this management team but there is a tendency of some people who who might be employed in future to feel that solutions can be obtained by purchasing and i'm not always convinced that that is the case. +because as indeed er has happened er sometimes the real emergency is not that of equipment. +there is a tendency, i i hope not of er this management team but there is a tendency of some people who who might be employed in future to feel that solutions can be obtained by purchasing and i'm not always convinced that that is the case. sometimes there's an under underlying reason of staffing difficulties or disciplinary or whatever, which might mean that new equipment will not be the answer. -well i there there was a a classic example of this during the refurbishments when the contractors had left the building unsecured over +well i there there was a a classic example of this during the refurbishments when the contractors had left the building unsecured over mm. over a weekend. and er the decision had to be taken to bring in erm security guards @@ -64479,10 +64426,10 @@ security guards. only. you were there as it happens. mm. -you were available but you later on won't be. +you were available but you later on won't be. mm. mm. -and i think that would have been the the classic situation where we would we've got a procedure now for dealing with it and i think this covers all and i unless somebody wants to further debate the matter i'll er i will propose that we adopt these the financial regulations for the er tyneside film theatre limited. +and i think that would have been the the classic situation where we would we've got a procedure now for dealing with it and i think this covers all and i unless somebody wants to further debate the matter i'll er i will propose that we adopt these the financial regulations for the er tyneside film theatre limited. could i have a seconder? thank you, susie. all in favour? @@ -64490,7 +64437,7 @@ great. could i ask a yes. complementary question? -and it doesn't affect the procedures but four refers to pay cheques. +and it doesn't affect the procedures but four refers to pay cheques. and i i wonder whether we should infer from that whether all staff or a number of staff get a pay cheque mm. as distinct from salaries paid into @@ -64499,45 +64446,45 @@ their bank account or building society accounts. ah, yes. we don't do that. but some are paid in cash. -er mm. +er mm. pay cheques or slips? -if they were slips they wouldn't +if they were slips they wouldn't i don't think i'd they would decide whether they want cheques which . i don't think that, i'd it's signing the stubs that is -er yes. +er yes. it's it's to do with signing of cheques. -the chief executive in two is answerable these are monitored by the so that some staff are indeed paid in cash. +the chief executive in two is answerable these are monitored by the so that some staff are indeed paid in cash. that, those are the only two alternatives. either in cash weekly or by cheque monthly. -there are no direct debits or into building societies or anything of that sort. -because we, we have a large amount of cash which it suits us to get rid of rather than take it to the bank er to be added up and charged for cash handling. -so erm i i, i mean i can understand that we have a a specific need to er address the member of who signs what cheques but i think the matter of cash is covered by two, the chief executive is answerable to a board for financial matters. +there are no direct debits or into building societies or anything of that sort. +because we, we have a large amount of cash which it suits us to get rid of rather than take it to the bank er to be added up and charged for cash handling. +so erm i i, i mean i can understand that we have a a specific need to er address the member of who signs what cheques but i think the matter of cash is covered by two, the chief executive is answerable to a board for financial matters. these are monitored by the board's scrutiny of the monthly management accounts. -i mean you must have a lot of cases whereby where, where you are actually perhaps er er a taxi needs to be paid for to take +i mean you must have a lot of cases whereby where, where you are actually perhaps er er a taxi needs to be paid for to take mm. somebody. well that's cash out. -there must be lots of cases where you are actually paying the window cleaner cash in hand or something . +there must be lots of cases where you are actually paying the window cleaner cash in hand or something . i i assume, i mean obviously there are routine matters which are paid for and recorded erm in the normal way. is it, does that is that alright? still cover your point or not? not, not quite. -the real question is why, why don't we pay staff er direct transfer into bank accounts? -why, why +the real question is why, why don't we pay staff er direct transfer into bank accounts? +why, why we don't wish to. -you you you you half explained anyway. -you actually have the cash turning over +you you you you half explained anyway. +you actually have the cash turning over we don't wish to because it is not financially sensible for an organization which is cash rich to take all the money to the bank. -to pay the bank daily to do things with it and then to start adding to those costs which a bank charges by using all these sophisticated methods when we can in fact do what most staff want, which is to give them cash in a little brown envelope on a thursday. -i mean i think it's, i mean i i have personally asked this question a number of times and pressed for everybody to be paid properly in inverted commas, i e monthly, but this is an assumption about a certain lifestyle and a certain way of budgeting which er i don't think we have necessarily the right or, you know it's not necessarily our +to pay the bank daily to do things with it and then to start adding to those costs which a bank charges by using all these sophisticated methods when we can in fact do what most staff want, which is to give them cash in a little brown envelope on a thursday. +i mean i think it's, i mean i i have personally asked this question a number of times and pressed for everybody to be paid properly in inverted commas, i e monthly, but this is an assumption about a certain lifestyle and a certain way of budgeting which er i don't think we have necessarily the right or, you know it's not necessarily our oh it's got to be the choice of the er and most staff actually prefer cash weekly. there's only two members of staff who are paid monthly by cheque and i'm one of them. -that, that's fine as, as long as cash handling to salaries does not give you an additional security or handling problem. -i think you've covered that by indicating the nature of the cash handling for the whole organization. +that, that's fine as, as long as cash handling to salaries does not give you an additional security or handling problem. +i think you've covered that by indicating the nature of the cash handling for the whole organization. i mean i've learned something . mm. i don't think it does in that erm @@ -64561,7 +64508,7 @@ i mean you did a big, you need a big safe. you know i'd, i'd need to check with frances precisely. and it varies. i don't think er i mean you know there are certain s we're covered to have certain sums in the safe by insurance and we don't exceed those and so on. -i mean you know i could find out if you'd like to know. +i mean you know i could find out if you'd like to know. yeah isn't, you you're much more labour-intensive than we are aren't you? well i would think our takings are higher than the cinema. in general. @@ -64578,10 +64525,10 @@ yes. well we don't do that. we do it ourselves. we did look into securicor but it's far too expensive. -erm right. -the next thing er which again er is er a detail of something which is already approved and it is merely than in our conditions of service during our discussions with the city er personnel department we noted, or they noted as it had arisen that we indicated the route to erm sick pay over a certain period and before a certain period but not the detail of how you got there. +erm right. +the next thing er which again er is er a detail of something which is already approved and it is merely than in our conditions of service during our discussions with the city er personnel department we noted, or they noted as it had arisen that we indicated the route to erm sick pay over a certain period and before a certain period but not the detail of how you got there. and so we've merely spelt that out on the second page of our standard conditions of service. -and erm er that is for your er for you to take note of and er to.. formally to approve if you would. +and erm er that is for your er for you to take note of and er to.. formally to approve if you would. you have these standard conditions of service of course? oh. already because they've been approved by the board. @@ -64599,13 +64546,13 @@ if you wouldn't mind. well if you want to just ring and ask someone to bring them. there won't be anyone there. there won't be anyone to ring,. -we are addressing which -er we are looking at page erm +we are addressing which +er we are looking at page erm hundred. -er well it should be page two but in my er haste i may have i notice mine is in the wrong order. -but anyway you want the heading sickness. -and we're just looking at the route to in the previous er conditions of service we merely mentioned the time for which you weren't entitled to sick pay and the time after which you were entitled to full sick pay which we defined, we didn't define the route. -i've now defined the route taking advice from the city personnel service. +er well it should be page two but in my er haste i may have i notice mine is in the wrong order. +but anyway you want the heading sickness. +and we're just looking at the route to in the previous er conditions of service we merely mentioned the time for which you weren't entitled to sick pay and the time after which you were entitled to full sick pay which we defined, we didn't define the route. +i've now defined the route taking advice from the city personnel service. so you just need to look at that yes. those length of service stroke related sickness pay. @@ -64613,9 +64560,9 @@ agreed? right so these conditions of service then are those which apply to all current and future staff. and these conditions apply from the first of april of this year. -all members of staff have standard conditions of service as set out here, with the exception of temporary staff or staff who are er on a short time contract or maternity leave cover who may have a short term er notice er erm for erm a period of notice. +all members of staff have standard conditions of service as set out here, with the exception of temporary staff or staff who are er on a short time contract or maternity leave cover who may have a short term er notice er erm for erm a period of notice. and with the other exception of the chief executive who according to his er conditions of appointment has a three months notice period. -everyone else sorry this is the er security blind. +everyone else sorry this is the er security blind. everyone else has a standard period of notice. and everyone else's contracts are therefore according to these conditions of service. okay? @@ -64625,70 +64572,70 @@ but if you, if you're in a draught jenny or john, say so. but it does help us to get some i'm not in a draught where i am i can assure you. get some air into the building. -the other period erm the other thing i would like your advice on erm did you, you didn't note all this? +the other period erm the other thing i would like your advice on erm did you, you didn't note all this? oh i'll give you all that, it's alright. -er the other thing i'd like your advice on is that the coffee room's franchise er is due for renewal in nineteen ninety three. -and according to the erm agreement which i made with the franchisee in june eighty nine erm his rent is also due for review er this august. +er the other thing i'd like your advice on is that the coffee room's franchise er is due for renewal in nineteen ninety three. +and according to the erm agreement which i made with the franchisee in june eighty nine erm his rent is also due for review er this august. now erm i e now. -however, the er holder came to me and said that they, he would like to invest a considerable sum in new equipment, refrigerators blah blah blah. -and so therefore, as we did in our case, would like erm some indication o er of whether or not er he could and this was his suggestion er give up his current lease which runs out next year and take on a new lease with us for a period. +however, the er holder came to me and said that they, he would like to invest a considerable sum in new equipment, refrigerators blah blah blah. +and so therefore, as we did in our case, would like erm some indication o er of whether or not er he could and this was his suggestion er give up his current lease which runs out next year and take on a new lease with us for a period. erm and accepting that would mean er obviously an increase in rent and perhaps changes in that lease er in order that he would be able to er to invest that money. now this is clearly something which some of you have great erm knowledge and expertise in such as colin. and i'd be very grateful for your advice. -for what it's worth my own advice would be that we i erm as you remember, increased the rental for the er coffee rooms from four thousand pounds when i er took over the post of chief executive and er to seven thousand five hundred in july eighty nine and we've increased that yearly to a sum of twenty one thousand one hundred and fifty pounds per annum er from the first of august nineteen ninety one. -erm my advice to you would be that in the past, before the coffee rooms was run by this particular person firm we had very great difficulty with them and i'm sure john will bear me out on this. +for what it's worth my own advice would be that we i erm as you remember, increased the rental for the er coffee rooms from four thousand pounds when i er took over the post of chief executive and er to seven thousand five hundred in july eighty nine and we've increased that yearly to a sum of twenty one thousand one hundred and fifty pounds per annum er from the first of august nineteen ninety one. +erm my advice to you would be that in the past, before the coffee rooms was run by this particular person firm we had very great difficulty with them and i'm sure john will bear me out on this. and in fact the coffee rooms not only were not profitable but i think at one time were even subsidized by the directors' own pocket which just how balmy some people can be. -erm that was in sheila 's day. +erm that was in sheila 's day. but it never was profitable. indeed was er er i think a thorn in the flesh, to say the least. these people have hit on a formula which seems to work. -erm er in my opinion they are a very good tenant and a very good person to work with and they certainly are very cooperative with the cinema. +erm er in my opinion they are a very good tenant and a very good person to work with and they certainly are very cooperative with the cinema. erm i could of course and will of course erm take advice as to whether the rent we're now charging them is reasonable. -we do have to bear in mind that our rent has increased er our own rent to morgan estates and so on. -and this you know is acknowledged. -but my, my view would be that i would er you know investigate this fully and er come forward with a recommendation, but that er my own er thought would be, and i i now take your thoughts, that we should not get ourselves erm launched into a very big, massive erm you know operation of advertising this franchise afresh and going through the whole procedure. -erm particularly at this time. +we do have to bear in mind that our rent has increased er our own rent to morgan estates and so on. +and this you know is acknowledged. +but my, my view would be that i would er you know investigate this fully and er come forward with a recommendation, but that er my own er thought would be, and i i now take your thoughts, that we should not get ourselves erm launched into a very big, massive erm you know operation of advertising this franchise afresh and going through the whole procedure. +erm particularly at this time. but that we should continue with this particular person. -but i would say that we should obviously look at the financial aspect of the review erm dates, which might be yearly. +but i would say that we should obviously look at the financial aspect of the review erm dates, which might be yearly. we should look at the length or the term of the new franchise which should perhaps be limited to three or five years. er whichever could be negotiated. -and we should look also i think perhaps at some quality factors er which might be written into the lease since there are some some things which i think we're all less than satisfied with er you know customer complaints and the way they're dealt with. +and we should look also i think perhaps at some quality factors er which might be written into the lease since there are some some things which i think we're all less than satisfied with er you know customer complaints and the way they're dealt with. the time it takes to be served and a number of things. -and of course all that is a play-off against you know keeping that franchisee er involved and keeping them feeling that they can still make a profit. +and of course all that is a play-off against you know keeping that franchisee er involved and keeping them feeling that they can still make a profit. and that, you know, not tying them up with endless pettifogging regulations. but i think there are a number of things er which would need to be taken into account. -what i would say overall sorry, if i may just add one further point is that the coffee rooms makes a profit and pays its bills very promptly to us. -it is not necessarily the always i think that the type of operation which a certain sector of our audience would necessarily want. +what i would say overall sorry, if i may just add one further point is that the coffee rooms makes a profit and pays its bills very promptly to us. +it is not necessarily the always i think that the type of operation which a certain sector of our audience would necessarily want. i e it doesn't always serve the food which they would like. -particularly, you know it has to be said there is a particular age class background and so on and so forth. +particularly, you know it has to be said there is a particular age class background and so on and so forth. but that it does satisfy a need for a vast number of, of people who may be rather younger and poorer than er we who sit here. er and erm that is of course a large section of our audience also. -so er i don't think we should attempt to shift the coffee rooms into you know a nice health food, vegetarian, upmarket restaurant which might suit us because it, it thereby wouldn't fulfil its function which, from our point of view, is to provide a service and -i think basically they're doing the job that the public want cos they're successful. +so er i don't think we should attempt to shift the coffee rooms into you know a nice health food, vegetarian, upmarket restaurant which might suit us because it, it thereby wouldn't fulfil its function which, from our point of view, is to provide a service and +i think basically they're doing the job that the public want cos they're successful. they're always busy. i mean yeah if you come yes. come in the middle of the day or whenever you know they'll be busy. it's amazing. -well it is quite true that if you come to eat before you see a film you have to ask if they can do it in time. +well it is quite true that if you come to eat before you see a film you have to ask if they can do it in time. mhm. yeah, and sometimes they've said no. -i, i've been here before and they've said ah sorry it's gonna take ages. +i, i've been here before and they've said ah sorry it's gonna take ages. i mean you know. -i mean at least they're honest but er -i think if you're happy with them but there are some minor points there's, it's going to be a new underlease is it? +i mean at least they're honest but er +i think if you're happy with them but there are some minor points there's, it's going to be a new underlease is it? sorry? it's going to be a new underlease. they would give up this current one and we would -ah well it gives you the chance to get, to increase the rent if you er but if you're happy with them as operators er you can boost your income for the year. +ah well it gives you the chance to get, to increase the rent if you er but if you're happy with them as operators er you can boost your income for the year. er i wouldn't be as generous with them as our landlord was with us. no. certainly not. -and if there are elements of the operation that you're not happy with er if, if there aren't any catering regulations in the underlease well you can introduce some. +and if there are elements of the operation that you're not happy with er if, if there aren't any catering regulations in the underlease well you can introduce some. mm. mm. which will then gives you a chance to control their operation when you're not happy with it. -so as long as you you're thinking that they're doing okay and meeting the market demand. +so as long as you you're thinking that they're doing okay and meeting the market demand. er you could improve the terms. get er an increased rent earlier. get some regulations imposed on them. @@ -64705,15 +64652,15 @@ yeah. erm but they do provide a regular and safe income. well, nobody ever does. yeah that's right. -but there are particular areas like this, you having to wait a long time and if you come into the building to go and see a film and you've you've left an hour to, to have some food you, you really shouldn't be missing the film because +but there are particular areas like this, you having to wait a long time and if you come into the building to go and see a film and you've you've left an hour to, to have some food you, you really shouldn't be missing the film because yeah. -i mean, i would imagine that they can pr , they can with your assistance, create something whereby they can say there will be a meal and it will be -if you make that part of the lea the +i mean, i would imagine that they can pr , they can with your assistance, create something whereby they can say there will be a meal and it will be +if you make that part of the lea the you can try without persecuting them er t t to a degree which makes it not worth their while being in the business. i mean yeah. -but if they have a, if they have a some sort of fast food provision in the menu with a limited choice. +but if they have a, if they have a some sort of fast food provision in the menu with a limited choice. as long as mm. and he could say right, you want a mea right @@ -64723,16 +64670,16 @@ yeah. i think what you've t what you've taken from us is the view yes. that there is a concern about the ability to eat here immediately prior to seeing . -they're may not be time +they're may not be time well one person raised that. yes. two -well just, you know if they if they were sensitive to that sort of thing. -i mean i'm i'm i know to ask +well just, you know if they if they were sensitive to that sort of thing. +i mean i'm i'm i know to ask yes. when i come in if i can have poached eggs on toast and see the film, you know. the trouble is er -but strangers don't +but strangers don't there is no way there is no way there is no way of ensuring that our no no. @@ -64746,34 +64693,34 @@ yeah. and i think the quality, and that is one of the quality of service, quality of er route of complaints and so on. i would like to see those things built in. but even though they guaranteed to provide every customer who had allowed three quarters of an hour er for a meal, you know, you would have to lay down in very great deal wouldn't you? -you may have a poached egg but you not have a poached egg with rice. +you may have a poached egg but you not have a poached egg with rice. i'm not considering, no. -i'm i, what i what i'm seeing +i'm i, what i what i'm seeing what i'm seeing with this is the opportunity of raising particular issues yes. if we're going to enter into a new lease with them. yes. of course. -by er failing even once to meet a reasonable demand for a for something to eat in a short period of time, then there's a knock on effect to our business. -and i think that's something which we have a right to to raise with them. +by er failing even once to meet a reasonable demand for a for something to eat in a short period of time, then there's a knock on effect to our business. +and i think that's something which we have a right to to raise with them. so erm erm they might not be aware that er there is, you know, that there could be customers who yes. -who haven't been promptly served +who haven't been promptly served the building. yeah exactly. -they might, they might not be a hundred percent sort of aware of these things. +they might, they might not be a hundred percent sort of aware of these things. can i suggest that they probably simply do not know, they work in a particular way, a particular level. -and i suspect that if we offered them counselling from cater good catering advice on how to maximise their market return they'll do it because i wouldn't hang about for a meal if i knew that they wouldn't give you a meal in fifteen minutes , i'd go and eat somewhere else. +and i suspect that if we offered them counselling from cater good catering advice on how to maximise their market return they'll do it because i wouldn't hang about for a meal if i knew that they wouldn't give you a meal in fifteen minutes , i'd go and eat somewhere else. you er -there's no shortage of fast food -if you allow, if you allow an hour for a meal in the coffee rooms -well that's that's that's good for a isn't it? +there's no shortage of fast food +if you allow, if you allow an hour for a meal in the coffee rooms +well that's that's that's good for a isn't it? you might just catch the film. yeah. okay, well er if the market, you know you're, live in a market world. if it gets a bad reputation, people won't come and they will suffer. -i think the interesting thing is is the five card erm is, is the brag you play or the poker you play and how much to raise the ante. +i think the interesting thing is is the five card erm is, is the brag you play or the poker you play and how much to raise the ante. yes. i mean the point is he's doing alright isn't he? @@ -64789,12 +64736,12 @@ i i don't they also have problems with the, with the er the drinks? you know, i mean that's a licence question. -how many people have walked out because they they can't have a drink . +how many people have walked out because they they can't have a drink . well they can't. it's a licence but with, you know, people with their meal or or mm. -someone who doesn't want a meal but just wants a drink but all the rest of the people are having a meal. +someone who doesn't want a meal but just wants a drink but all the rest of the people are having a meal. well they can't. i've seen loads of er yes but they can't. @@ -64809,41 +64756,41 @@ there is a bar licence attached to this building. club bar licence, alas. club bar licence. yeah. -but it might not be a bad idea to go down that route to see if we can we can see if it can be exploit it at this stage because we have discussed, and i know this is getting off the the the the agen +but it might not be a bad idea to go down that route to see if we can we can see if it can be exploit it at this stage because we have discussed, and i know this is getting off the the the the agen yes. -agendum agendum but erm -i think -no but it's not +agendum agendum but erm +i think +no but it's not about giving them too much advice. -i think +i think yes. what the fact is that the place is packed. they succeeded. the fact is that many majority of people know that it yes. takes a long time. -see a lot of the people that come are students who've got, who have got time -fact is that +see a lot of the people that come are students who've got, who have got time +fact is that that sounds awful. but yeah they have got time available -the point is i think that the prime thing to remember is that the the the the s the customers in the coffee rooms are not necessarily customers in the cinema. +the point is i think that the prime thing to remember is that the the the the s the customers in the coffee rooms are not necessarily customers in the cinema. yeah. that is the fact of the matter. mm. -and i'm afraid there is no way you can you, if you try and force the caf to be more a sort of caf that people who come to the cinema will patronize then it will not make a profit in my view. +and i'm afraid there is no way you can you, if you try and force the caf to be more a sort of caf that people who come to the cinema will patronize then it will not make a profit in my view. it never did. -if you actually allow it to be a caf in your premises which hopefully will also satisfy some of our customers then apparently it will make a profit. +if you actually allow it to be a caf in your premises which hopefully will also satisfy some of our customers then apparently it will make a profit. but i'm very loathe to attempt to force it to be something other than that which it is. because that which it is is profitable. but i'm also very anxious that we receive a full percentage whack of those profits and as you can see i, over the years, i've been very assiduous in ensuring that we do move towards that position. -that that's er a straight rent is it? +that that's er a straight rent is it? i don't understand that term. well it's a straight rent. what what -except in +except in what i was going to suggest is that we should s seek to negotiate with them a turnover rent. you could. -a base rent or turnover rent +a base rent or turnover rent could try that. yes. you could try that. @@ -64851,7 +64798,7 @@ what i don't want to get so as they increase in sales yeah, of course. or as you increase the customer at the cinema which increases their sales, you take a share of it. -that is okay when things are going well of course. +that is okay when things are going well of course. ah we have a base rent. yeah. yes. @@ -64875,20 +64822,20 @@ so what you do is you open negotiations with them on a new lease. yeah. and you see what improvements you can get. yeah. -and if they're not prepared to pl play the game or pay the going rate well then you review it and think how far do i push them on this? +and if they're not prepared to pl play the game or pay the going rate well then you review it and think how far do i push them on this? yeah, yeah. and how far do i not accept what i think i might get in order to remain on good terms. yes. -i d i don't want this to be minuted but i, i think erm we are aware of susan . +i d i don't want this to be minuted but i, i think erm we are aware of susan . is this a papal pronouncement? no. it is a family organization. it's a mafia, a mafia yes? -and erm we are we we +and erm we are we we is that good or bad? -yeah it's very good. -i mean we may not necessarily be talking about the the the reporting procedures on turnover which would enable us to assess a rack rent in in in the +yeah it's very good. +i mean we may not necessarily be talking about the the the reporting procedures on turnover which would enable us to assess a rack rent in in in the oh i see. mm. mm. @@ -64896,7 +64843,7 @@ mm. ah well you've got a computer system now which is wiser than anybody here. or you have well i mean you know turnover, turnover rents can be run without a comp without a computerized till. -you just insist you have access to the books at any time or you send your accountant in to check. +you just insist you have access to the books at any time or you send your accountant in to check. i wondered if there was a everything has to have a till receipt. you can check the till rolls which have to be kept. @@ -64904,15 +64851,15 @@ i mean there's plenty of ways of doing it. yes. erm i was wondering if introducing that might make a yeah. -be making them changing their way of operation which they might find unattractive for reasons +be making them changing their way of operation which they might find unattractive for reasons yeah.that's right which yes. perhaps we can go into. as, as they are a family operation. -you don't need to minute that. -. anyway yes. -well can i, can i, can we leave it perhaps that erm we, that the chief executive has received the er good advice of the board and will negotiate on the basis of the surrender of the +you don't need to minute that. +. anyway yes. +well can i, can i, can we leave it perhaps that erm we, that the chief executive has received the er good advice of the board and will negotiate on the basis of the surrender of the yes. would you like me to report old lease. @@ -64920,7 +64867,7 @@ to whom? i mean, would you like me to do this or would you like me to report. i would prefer to a committee of people who have experience yes. -er because you know, if we wait till the twenty eighth of october er that you know, won't suit their purpose which is that they would like to get on with this so they can invest in plant renewal. +er because you know, if we wait till the twenty eighth of october er that you know, won't suit their purpose which is that they would like to get on with this so they can invest in plant renewal. i, i would prefer well we could do to take advice, particularly from you colin and from anyone else. @@ -64928,13 +64875,13 @@ john? i don't know, or anyone who feels shall we do the f and g p route? right. -er where we'd inter-coopt er colin on to the f and g p for that so you get the opportunity, thank you very much, you get the opportunity of reporting to us what, what you've done. +er where we'd inter-coopt er colin on to the f and g p for that so you get the opportunity, thank you very much, you get the opportunity of reporting to us what, what you've done. so we can say yes. or or -can you let me have a copy of the lease as soon as you can? +can you let me have a copy of the lease as soon as you can? yes. thank you. -erm right so the we agree to delegate to the f and g p the of the existing lease and the taking on of a new lease underlease for the coffee room, tea room operators. +erm right so the we agree to delegate to the f and g p the of the existing lease and the taking on of a new lease underlease for the coffee room, tea room operators. thank you. erm. what would you like next to address? @@ -64946,82 +64893,82 @@ erm roger's very keen on this. erm oh yes . oh as i think i mentioned last time we have had a marketing er survey undertaken. -particularly in relation to distribution and when +particularly in relation to distribution and when publicity material, not of films. yes. -no of our our marketing and publ print and so on. -when that's settled you know through the various committees, well various. +no of our our marketing and publ print and so on. +when that's settled you know through the various committees, well various. through the management team and erm when marketing had a chance to reflect on that i, i'll report back to you what our thoughts are. and indeed the the report of course is available if anyone would like to read it. -it's a very good report, which was done by a graduate student from the university of northumbria on placement and er involved a lot of field work. -and i think it's a very fine piece of work for which he received a first class mark incidentally. +it's a very good report, which was done by a graduate student from the university of northumbria on placement and er involved a lot of field work. +and i think it's a very fine piece of work for which he received a first class mark incidentally. good. -er the university of northumbria or newcastle +er the university of northumbria or newcastle is that newcastle brackets carlisle campus. -right yes i am keen on that because i think er one of the keys to growth in our business is to attract more people and to attract people you must tell them that we're here and what we're doing. -. i think that i think it's a a good first step. +right yes i am keen on that because i think er one of the keys to growth in our business is to attract more people and to attract people you must tell them that we're here and what we're doing. +. i think that i think it's a a good first step. erm, equal ops? er nothing to report on that. -er i i've already reported on the maternity leave cover provisions. +er i i've already reported on the maternity leave cover provisions. is that a standing item on the agenda ? yes. it is. yes. -erm so er +erm so er oh actually sorry, if i could just add a little bit to that. no, no need to add anything further, thank you. -that's all +that's all but i will nonetheless now you've now you've jogged my memory. -we are putting together a systematized er body of documentation which +we are putting together a systematized er body of documentation which foreign word. alright, an appalling word. we are putting together the documents and er accompanying er notes on recruitment selection procedure which will be followed in all cases in the cinema. -it will be an ex expanded version of that which er we had further, we had earlier approved in our equal opportunities policy. +it will be an ex expanded version of that which er we had further, we had earlier approved in our equal opportunities policy. but much more detailed and as a result not only of about twelve days' training which we've undertaken in that area with the management team, or various of them, but also of our experience over the last eighteen months in operating it. and i, we've been complimented on a number of occasions on that procedure erm by various public bodies. -erm and we are now, if you like, putting it into a form which anyone can use irrespective of whether they have done the training. +erm and we are now, if you like, putting it into a form which anyone can use irrespective of whether they have done the training. although of course we'll continue with training everyone who's likely to do it. but, as in the case say of a temporary administrator coming in he'd be able to or she would be able to take up this file and use it. and it covers, i hope, most eventualities. -erm and i will bring it to you finally when it's in a form to be adopted as the procedure which this board will use erm either, you know, or delegate er the chief executive to use in the case of any appointments. +erm and i will bring it to you finally when it's in a form to be adopted as the procedure which this board will use erm either, you know, or delegate er the chief executive to use in the case of any appointments. thank you. and under any other business are we ? -well just +well just yes. erm er i'm equal ops -proceeding with erm investigating the er educational dimension of the cinema, it's funding and staffing. -erm we used at one time as you remember to have a full time education officer and er for a number of reasons er that er is no longer the case. -we certainly have not ceased erm to undertake educational work and erm i do from time to time er do a number of reports on that work for er our funding bodies and er recently i've done a report requested by northern arts, for the arts council i believe. -erm a cultural diversity report which lists for example the events or and film erm which relate to erm that aspect of our policy. -erm courses, events, day schools, special screenings programmes er educational marketing back up and so forth are always, are a central and crucial part of our work. -but erm it is my design at the earliest opportunity to erm extend er that work through more specific and increased provision er with er current er staffing erm levels erm borne in mind. +proceeding with erm investigating the er educational dimension of the cinema, it's funding and staffing. +erm we used at one time as you remember to have a full time education officer and er for a number of reasons er that er is no longer the case. +we certainly have not ceased erm to undertake educational work and erm i do from time to time er do a number of reports on that work for er our funding bodies and er recently i've done a report requested by northern arts, for the arts council i believe. +erm a cultural diversity report which lists for example the events or and film erm which relate to erm that aspect of our policy. +erm courses, events, day schools, special screenings programmes er educational marketing back up and so forth are always, are a central and crucial part of our work. +but erm it is my design at the earliest opportunity to erm extend er that work through more specific and increased provision er with er current er staffing erm levels erm borne in mind. i'm at the moment negotiating with a, a previous sponsor an s k bearings europe limited who have a plant at peterlee who are very interested in looking at erm supporting our educational provision. -and there will be opportunities to apply for support from the british film institute and elsewhere erm in order that we can expand er what we're doing in that area and i, i just wanted to let the board know about that and to say that erm er this is the route that i'm currently taking and erm i will be reporting to them when there are specific developments and that i hope that you approve of er me attempting to expand our provision in this area. +and there will be opportunities to apply for support from the british film institute and elsewhere erm in order that we can expand er what we're doing in that area and i, i just wanted to let the board know about that and to say that erm er this is the route that i'm currently taking and erm i will be reporting to them when there are specific developments and that i hope that you approve of er me attempting to expand our provision in this area. good. thank you. -any questions? +any questions? any other business? -could i just remind members of the board of the next two meetings which are at the bottom of the er a a agenda and were given to you previously of course. -you should have them in your diaries but as we have such a full complement this evening, can i just draw those attention er to your attention. +could i just remind members of the board of the next two meetings which are at the bottom of the er a a agenda and were given to you previously of course. +you should have them in your diaries but as we have such a full complement this evening, can i just draw those attention er to your attention. twenty eighth of october and the annual general meeting on the second of december. -i would also actually, briefly under any other business you have the days of the the the dates of the film festival? +i would also actually, briefly under any other business you have the days of the the the dates of the film festival? yes. the opening gala on the third of october, saturday. and the closing gala on the eighteenth of october, sunday. -can i also draw your attention to another date which is the thursday the seventeenth of september which is the regional press launch for the fifteenth international tyneside film festival. -some of you i know are working but some now roger are people of leisure and will therefore i hope er be able to find more space in their diaries to quaff the glass of er cheap wine and er raise it +can i also draw your attention to another date which is the thursday the seventeenth of september which is the regional press launch for the fifteenth international tyneside film festival. +some of you i know are working but some now roger are people of leisure and will therefore i hope er be able to find more space in their diaries to quaff the glass of er cheap wine and er raise it indeed. beer. of expensive beer, and to raise it in our er support. where's that held? -that is here, at this cinema and er usually consists of a film show and erm er presentation and then of a buffet lunch. -and we really are very pleased to see you th at that erm +that is here, at this cinema and er usually consists of a film show and erm er presentation and then of a buffet lunch. +and we really are very pleased to see you th at that erm thursday the seventeenth of september. er it will be at ten. ten till two or something like that. -it's also very good if board members can attend to er not merely to support the staff er and to celebrate the event but also, if necessary, to talk to the press or to er engage er with guests and so on and so forth. +it's also very good if board members can attend to er not merely to support the staff er and to celebrate the event but also, if necessary, to talk to the press or to er engage er with guests and so on and so forth. er it would be much appreciated if you were able to attend. any other other business? what a brave person you are to let a board of trustees loose on the press. @@ -65032,7 +64979,6 @@ where do you get them roger? eighteenth. sunday the eighteenth of october. thank you very much for your kind attention ladies and gentlemen. - it's er, courtesy, common courtesy. yes, and not going out to find your own knowledge really. you reach a point where you're not certain, then be big enough to say, i don't know, but i can phone our man who does. @@ -65068,7 +65014,7 @@ right, so yo , you watched er, dr. marius bernard, erm, the south african, what what did you think about critical illness assurance? the importance of insurance. it's a very powerful message isn't it? -i mean think er, life assurance erm, obviously it's the to have fails, but if somebody is eligible for, and can afford living assurance, it's got to be a brilliant product. +i mean think er, life assurance erm, obviously it's the to have fails, but if somebody is eligible for, and can afford living assurance, it's got to be a brilliant product. i would think there must be a large part of people out there that could benefit from their estates isn't there? i'm, i'm never you're absolutely right, philip. @@ -65079,13 +65025,13 @@ let me tell you a little bit about the history. er, when we introduced covermaster, erm, thirteen years ago or so now, it was a unique plan. it was actually plagiarised by sixteen other life companies within the first six months. it was copied. -one company still calls their whole of life protection plan mastercover,, that's an idea of how much they copied it erm, but of course, very quickly things moved on. +one company still calls their whole of life protection plan mastercover,, that's an idea of how much they copied it erm, but of course, very quickly things moved on. other contracts were available. er,b , but we were the first company, back in, i think 1987, to bring out living insurance. it was the first company to actually insure against critical illnesses. it had been done before of course. south africa in the mid-eighties, it was er, common in the states. -but we're the first major company in britain, so our is second to none, our experience with the contract is second to none. +but we're the first major company in britain, so our is second to none, our experience with the contract is second to none. it's very, very powerful. you need living assurance because you're not going to die, you need living assurance because you're not going to die. when you look at er, the critical illnesses that are covered, heart attacks, cancer, stroke, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. @@ -65100,7 +65046,7 @@ yes, have you already got those? no there erm, somewhere along the line, right. -i'll, i'll get you some in a minute, er, i'll carry on if er, if er, you don't mind i've got, oh here we are, i fo , i hadn't given them out sorry. +i'll, i'll get you some in a minute, er, i'll carry on if er, if er, you don't mind i've got, oh here we are, i fo , i hadn't given them out sorry. thank you. so that's very useful to show you how women have been affected but this is on our claims experience. erm, if you turn over the page it says seventy eight percent of female claims have been on the diagnosis of cancer, and it gives you a breakdown of the condition and the age when diagnosed. @@ -65229,7 +65175,7 @@ if they'll need special care. yes, but lo , but then we've so , we've got to pre-judge a little bit then, as to what illness they're going to have, and that gets a bit difficult. but you're right, we're, we're taking into account extra costs. age and , sorry -talk about +talk about that's o k, it's about the children er, carry on, you go then @@ -65250,7 +65196,7 @@ you're putting your body under more stress. so you have another heart attack. yes, it actually gives you time to recover. it could be length of time your children have got in, in further education. -if they're already in college, you might +if they're already in college, you might could well be because you're looking at making sure that they, they fulfil what is a dream for you and for them. it's a similar point to sue, was making. absolutely. @@ -65280,7 +65226,7 @@ single people, brilliant isn't it? er, there must be a worry in a lot of people, single people's minds what happens to me when i get older and in ill-health, how will i cope? well if they can afford to buy in help and to sort their life out, you've suddenly got a product that they really want to buy. i mean this, this product, if people have got the health to buy it, because we're obviously not going to take on people that are in poor health, they can afford it, because obviously as they get older, the risk is greater and it becomes more expensive, it sells itself, it really does, it's a brilliant product. -presumably you can it can cost to an existing life policy +presumably you can it can cost to an existing life policy absolutely, yes. so that even if you've these benefits, that other life cover would then go on to absolutely , yes, because an ordinary life policy won't pay out, so if you've got a combination of covermaster and living assurance, you've got your life policy to pay out on death, and your living assurance to pay out on critical illness. @@ -65367,7 +65313,7 @@ but on the other hand if you, if get serious illness and, and w o p benefit come ah, so you can still get the w o p benefits from, it's the same as the thing earlier on? it doesn't mean that the w o p is cancelled all together, when if you've got h i v, you, you don't get waiver of premiums full stop. -on anything, even if you, three weeks after you get run over, and +on anything, even if you, three weeks after you get run over, and no, no you don't get it at all. that's a bit unfair isn't it? so if somebody gets h i, yes, because gets, takes out a policy at twenty five, gets diagnosed h i v at thirty, and they're still living, they haven't actually got full blown aids, and they can live for a hell of a long time afterwards, they're paying their w o p premium for a long, long time. @@ -65522,7 +65468,7 @@ we've done example one together, can i now ask you to do example two, which basi then example three yes, which is over the page. right, o k. . -that's for one hundred thousand, that's for ten thousand, that's for ten thousand, that's right, and when we looked at the fifteen years, that's the for fifteen years, that's again for twenty five. +that's for one hundred thousand, that's for ten thousand, that's for ten thousand, that's right, and when we looked at the fifteen years, that's the for fifteen years, that's again for twenty five. for two hundred thousand, multiply that by the same, have, have a, have a try on, on this one, yes, @@ -65532,7 +65478,7 @@ have you done number three? good,example three where you've got a joint life policy, the male gives you the page name, the female will give you the , because it will say joint life, and it will have the female age in groups. mm? say that's how -joint lives, first claim, the male age will give you the page, and the female age will tell you which of those vertical column to use, where it says . +joint lives, first claim, the male age will give you the page, and the female age will tell you which of those vertical column to use, where it says . the male's thirty,so you move to thirty, this man's, yes, and she's thirty two, so you go to thirty, they have joint life, so you go to thirty, that's the one to use. @@ -65571,7 +65517,7 @@ that's the premium, yes yes, that's the premium, i said the sum assured, sorry, i'm reading it off here. it's the end of the day. er, the premium, fifty eight, eighty two, the selected period, at fifteen years of premium was? -thirty three +thirty three thirty three three, thirty three thirty two @@ -65657,7 +65603,7 @@ you can move the decimal point, or multiply and divide by ten. she's got thirty seven pounds ninety eight to spend, she gets that amount for every ten pounds, so you want to know how many ten pounds there are in thirty seven ninety eight, so you can write it out as a division sum or you can just move the decimal point. which ever you're comfortable with,, i think i'm losing my voice. kim has that helped? -yes, i couldn't find that figure where you were +yes, i couldn't find that figure where you were good, fine, i'm not surprised, i was looking in the wrong rate book wasn't i? so er, that's not surprising. what about sue? @@ -65764,8 +65710,7 @@ oh, it's the bird's eye thing as well. yes, yes. oh right, it's a shame you won't be able to go to it then. that's really sad. - -quite a long time i would have start probably with more than thirty years ago, because me mum always make cheese and i just thought making when i was still a girl at the school and since we came here and farmed on me own behalf well twenty six years we've been making cheeses here. +quite a long time i would have start probably with more than thirty years ago, because me mum always make cheese and i just thought making when i was still a girl at the school and since we came here and farmed on me own behalf well twenty six years we've been making cheeses here. is it all your own milk that you use for cheese ? yes we have our own cows and its all our own milk. i've got a churn of milk. @@ -65797,7 +65742,6 @@ and i have packaging specially for the small ones, it makes them easy for people they're quite safe in their own packaging. tourists that take them back they have the label on the box to say where they have purchased this cheese. it's a an attraction i think as well. - any other problems that you're getting a bit? er sometimes i get some muddled up on that erm v a t sometimes. yep, okay. @@ -65805,20 +65749,20 @@ a lot of adults just haven't got a clue at working out v a t or any sort of, sin yeah. the woman at work, yeah. -she you know -well everyone'll do it, everyone did go home eventually and their wages, cos there was there was two of us, i told you didn't i, there was two of us that worked it out. +she you know +well everyone'll do it, everyone did go home eventually and their wages, cos there was there was two of us, i told you didn't i, there was two of us that worked it out. she was telling you, telling you again ten per cent yeah, and we all sail go home and check, just check . what what came of it, did they they were all seven per cent, so for so it was seven per cent that they were giving him not ten per cent? yeah, so she was a bad con merchant -that man didn't he get any more money out of it, but we, don't let him get away with thinking their giving him +that man didn't he get any more money out of it, but we, don't let him get away with thinking their giving him no, well they all said next time they'll check, because some of them just just take it for granted. well, you know a lot of p a lot of them just can't check. yeah. they don't know, you know, how to check. -well the others have made a bit, we just took it for granted that she was giving us ten per cent rise, and didn't bother, cos they trusted her, but +well the others have made a bit, we just took it for granted that she was giving us ten per cent rise, and didn't bother, cos they trusted her, but okay, well this will though yeah they won't trust more than the once . there's a lot of that, you know, wouldn't buy a used car of him, but it's @@ -65904,7 +65848,7 @@ as a quarter. as a quarter, right. if we all got into groups of four yeah. -and say this group of four here, erm, will get this much shared out between us, so if there were a third as many people, if there was only one person we wouldn't need so many erm, if there was only one pizza, right, +and say this group of four here, erm, will get this much shared out between us, so if there were a third as many people, if there was only one person we wouldn't need so many erm, if there was only one pizza, right, yeah. a quarter of it. erm, we might have erm let's say, now we want to say, try and work this as a percentage, so if we've got @@ -65923,13 +65867,13 @@ we've got, we don't know how many over a hundred is equal to one over four. yeah. well if we don't know the answer what do we usually do? x -right, let's pretend we do, and we've done it now, x over a hundred is the same as one over four, equals, so we've got an equation, we've got an equation with fractions, that's one of your favourites isn't it? +right, let's pretend we do, and we've done it now, x over a hundred is the same as one over four, equals, so we've got an equation, we've got an equation with fractions, that's one of your favourites isn't it? oh yeah. so lovely. do you want to keep the fractions there or would you like to get rid of them? get rid of it. -what are you going to do to get rid of it then, so we write it out again, x over +what are you going to do to get rid of it then, so we write it out again, x over times it by itself. times it by what, what will you times that buy to two. @@ -66075,7 +66019,7 @@ there's, it's going to be, twenty? yeah. yeah, that's right. how did you do it? -how many tens in there +how many tens in there just doubled it,at yeah. right good,, go for , so seven twentieths. innit one, reduce any more than that? @@ -66084,12 +66028,12 @@ so any per centage i give you now, you can turn it into a fraction, couldn't you yeah. yeah, so if i gave you, twelve and a half per cent. that's, that's, that's nasty, cos that's got sort of fractions within fractions, and they'd say, twelve point five per cent? -urgh, i think i'm not going +urgh, i think i'm not going i'll do that one, i usually don't do the hard ones. twelve and a half per cent 's going to be twelve and a half over a hundred, er, oh, well, we're going to cancel, but first of all we could go the opposite way, and multiply, just to get rid of this fraction. what would you like to multiply twelve and a half by so that the half disappears? twelve and a half. -yeah, what would multiply twelve and a half by if you wanted to +yeah, what would multiply twelve and a half by if you wanted to a half. by two, yeah? oh, that's right, yeah. @@ -66156,7 +66100,7 @@ which, you know. i know, it seems like ages. right, so what's fifty three per cent as a decimal? nought point five three. -didn't take long, you didn't need your calculator for that . +didn't take long, you didn't need your calculator for that . okay,it right, erm, nought point five three, you're obviously going to do these quicker than i can write them down, so you can write them down. thanks. it's erm, what would seventy nine per cent be as a decimal? @@ -66184,7 +66128,7 @@ right. ninety pounds. so ninety pounds is the mark up, ninety pounds is what you add to it, okay, and that was good that you worked that out, cos a lot of people just think ooh, you just add forty five pounds on they do, i mean that's the most common thing that people want to do. -oh, they just do the two hundred pounds and then these people add forty five per cent in on the the because +oh, they just do the two hundred pounds and then these people add forty five per cent in on the the because right. i've done that myself. right. @@ -66218,7 +66162,7 @@ yeah. that now, yeah. try that one then, two hundred times one point four five. -two hundred two hundred and ninety. +two hundred two hundred and ninety. so go straight to the answer yeah. and get it very quickly without messing about, try this one then, erm, four hundred plus that, plus seventeen point five per cent, and, now then okay, let's do it this way. @@ -66267,7 +66211,7 @@ okay, you happy with that? because that's the bit that really sh throws people, yeah. if it was seventeen per cent, oh i can do that it's point one seven, but when it's seventeen point five, and where does the point go? -i've got two +i've got two yeah, well, i was in a bo , i'm in a book club, and you have to add your own erm per centage on yeah, i see. so i do that that way when i'm doing it to practice. @@ -66330,7 +66274,7 @@ okay, so that should come to four hundred and twenty there, you could look at it yeah. and you take away nought point three. oh yeah. -so it's six hundred times, what does one take away nought point three come from, to, one point one point nought, take away nought point three, we'll try it on here, one point nought take away nought point three, i mean, most of the time you would be actually using the +so it's six hundred times, what does one take away nought point three come from, to, one point one point nought, take away nought point three, we'll try it on here, one point nought take away nought point three, i mean, most of the time you would be actually using the nought point something. right, nought point point what? can't have nought take away three, so @@ -66375,7 +66319,7 @@ right, erm, so if we do this one, er, three hundred and sixty, three hundred and this might be where it happens, you see. right. three hundred and sixty take away twenty five per cent. -times +times right. try, do do that one. right. @@ -66440,7 +66384,7 @@ erm, and next door they've got a what, the same computer was seven hundred and f but they're doing a twenty five per cent discount. which ones going to be, what they'd normally ask is, how, what, what is the difference is prices? and they'd usually say, which one would you buy? -on the assumption that, you know, you'd buy the cheap one, might and when you want to get rid of it i'll buy the dear one. +on the assumption that, you know, you'd buy the cheap one, might and when you want to get rid of it i'll buy the dear one. what's the difference in price? yeah, price reduction pay. erm, i think one of those is probably enough, but i'll give you another one if you want you can have @@ -66450,7 +66394,7 @@ erm, i'll make them, i'll make them all take away, sorry, discounts, because if yeah. i'll give you another, i'll give you one adding up one, then, okay, er one, in one shop it's erm eight hundred pound plus vat the computer? -yeah, er, well this is a different thing now, it is er something else, a different type of computer, say, in one shop it's eight hundred pounds, plus vat and in the second shop it's nine hundred and twenty five pounds, but you don't pay any vat on that one, it's already got the vat in +yeah, er, well this is a different thing now, it is er something else, a different type of computer, say, in one shop it's eight hundred pounds, plus vat and in the second shop it's nine hundred and twenty five pounds, but you don't pay any vat on that one, it's already got the vat in mm. nine hundred and twenty five gross. twenty five. @@ -66513,10 +66457,10 @@ apparently one of the the little erm boys she say, he wets himself all the time, sounds like a nice kid. he's, he's, she said he's nice, mm. -but he just, he said, she's bright, bit +but he just, he said, she's bright, bit he's just rebelling a bit is he? yeah, erm, his mum bribes him, a lot. -you be nice and you can have a +you be nice and you can have a you stop wetting yourself, if you don't wet yourself for a week i'll get you a toy, yeah. and she said that's just not the way it's done, so she she saying to him now, if you da if you wet yourself once more you're going back in a nappy. @@ -66531,8 +66475,8 @@ i know, well she said sounds as if he was doing it deliberately to get back at her, doesn't it? yeah, well she said, it's hard you see, cos when they go, she goes out, erm, to a place called frognapark and they have no public toilets, right. -so you're in the end, you have to say to him, well you'll have to wet your pants, cos because, it's like a bi bit longer the trek . -if he's if he's three he can can find a, find a drain, or just +so you're in the end, you have to say to him, well you'll have to wet your pants, cos because, it's like a bi bit longer the trek . +if he's if he's three he can can find a, find a drain, or just yeah. go sit in, go in a corner here, rather than wet his pants. right, okay. @@ -66587,7 +66531,7 @@ yeah. always nought, and you just, so i line up the way that is, where am i? i'm about here say, i line that up, i take a bearing on you, that's forty five degrees. see. -so that's where you are, give me the one out . +so that's where you are, give me the one out . always draw that line in for north, i've just used the red line there. you usually have to start in the middle of the page. okay? @@ -66660,7 +66604,7 @@ and then i point to you. now which way do i turn when i'm going to point to you? clockwise. good. -always clockwise, so i stay to forty five degrees. +always clockwise, so i stay to forty five degrees. now you take a bearing on me, should tell me exactly what you're doing. so i'm going to be standing on here. right. @@ -66679,14 +66623,14 @@ going, so you go, that bit when you, when you, when you get there back to the straight line. you've got a hundred and eighty yeah. -then +then and then you got the rest of it, so you'll always go more than a hundred and eighty, now when you, when you're pointing you're facing that way again, turn around that way again, when you're facing that way, erm especially if i'm about erm, say especially if i'm about here. yeah. right, take a bearing on me. yeah, got it. so yeah, and it's really tempting isn't it? yes. -it is +it is when, when, when you're there this one yeah. varies it's only three hundred, especially if i were that @@ -66699,9 +66643,9 @@ if you start, and that's what most people get wrong with erm bearings in the exa yeah. and they always give you a question like that where it's, you know, there's a nice little short way, which is the wrong way round yeah, -so remember that, do when you do the bearings if you're doing some, erm examples, or you're looking through, or you're doing some revision, get up, stand up, and think, right what's to think of, oh it's not there, like if i'm taking a bearing on these flowers, it's, well, just that much in it, you know, +so remember that, do when you do the bearings if you're doing some, erm examples, or you're looking through, or you're doing some revision, get up, stand up, and think, right what's to think of, oh it's not there, like if i'm taking a bearing on these flowers, it's, well, just that much in it, you know, yeah. -get dizzy going all the way round, but make sure you do, you know, stand up and do it, and then it'll go in . +get dizzy going all the way round, but make sure you do, you know, stand up and do it, and then it'll go in . hey, that'd be a good one for spatial awareness, thanks for the idea, yeah. get in , why not? @@ -66709,7 +66653,7 @@ get them doing bearings when they're when they're two, as long as they understan yeah. what they do, i mean just play a game, it's just a ga it's a it's a game, like sort of simon says, try and catch them out in things, you'll say right, now you've got to point at a window, say, and then you have to point at, and you can get them all doing it, you yeah. -have to point out, joe, and they all go now, okay, now a new game. +have to point out, joe, and they all go now, okay, now a new game. you point at the window, but you must all turn round that way, turn round to your right so you're going round, then clockwise they probably wouldn't understand, but yeah. they must keep turning round to your right until you point at them, and you mustn't go the short way, and you can play like erm, sort of version of musical chairs where you eliminate the ones who get it wrong, you know, @@ -66760,16 +66704,16 @@ i'm miles out. doesn't matter. er, and also when you are drawing it it doesn't matter if you keep going right. -because you've past it so it that's it, so, when you were here, when you, when you, say you're in the ship, +because you've past it so it that's it, so, when you were here, when you, when you, say you're in the ship, yeah. and you're at a, let's say, let's say, north is that way, okay, and you you set this up and you have a look, you say, where's that lighthouse, oh it's on a bearing of forty five degrees, and a lot later when you've sailed sort of past the lighthouse, or the lighthouse is behind you, you take a bearing, and you still go around clockwise, mm. it's a hundred and twenty, so it's where they, where they meet is yeah. -where the lighthouse is, and that's what they actually use it for, taking bearings on ships, and if you do that and you draw your diagram, you can work out how far you are from the lighthouse, because it might, you might have in your charts +where the lighthouse is, and that's what they actually use it for, taking bearings on ships, and if you do that and you draw your diagram, you can work out how far you are from the lighthouse, because it might, you might have in your charts so that's what it is then, the screens just like a protractor, they there's another protractor. yeah, exactly. -er on the computer +er on the computer yeah, yeah. and you do it in the airports as well, i've seen, i er, me uncle works in manchester airport yeah. @@ -66838,7 +66782,7 @@ the one outside the triangle there. right. so, if i take this bearing, this is a g very common question they have in g c s e, take a bearing from j and it's forty five degrees, right? now that is the the reverse bearing, the back bearing, -and that'll be right on, right on +and that'll be right on, right on and that would be, that would be, so if we're doing it this way, right, let's let's erm, forget about where we are sitting at the moment now, and just look we're in a helicopter looking at these ships now, so this one radios you in the helicopter and says, that ship s is on a bearing of forty five degrees yeah. right, and then this ship, s, radios the helicopter and says, this ship j is on a bearing of, and let's say, let's say, he does it the wrong way round, is on a bearing of forty five degrees, @@ -66899,7 +66843,7 @@ yeah, and that one with seventy. yeah. and forty five degrees is one , try it, try it, do that one again with forty degrees. right. -and, and draw it, and stand up and think how you're going to do it, and maybe you sort of, you know, sit here or something, when i've gone and face the window and say, that's north, and i must make sure i get it set up, get this the right way up and , +and, and draw it, and stand up and think how you're going to do it, and maybe you sort of, you know, sit here or something, when i've gone and face the window and say, that's north, and i must make sure i get it set up, get this the right way up and , yeah. you've got one of these, haven't you? yeah. @@ -66932,7 +66876,7 @@ oh. i knew i'd do that, bottoms fallen out of my little, my little world, thanks. here's some coins for playing with, for doing erm, adding up and takings aways with the younger ones, and i keep those in there, and they're all over the bottom of that bag. -i used to have them little plastic ones, that +i used to have them little plastic ones, that they're they're fine, but i think y you can't beat real ones yeah. because, you know, erm, most kids these days, especially by the time they're nine or ten, they're used to having their own pocket money, and then you, and they say they can't do any maths at all, and you say well, if you had a fifty pence and you bought something for twenty four, how much change ? @@ -66951,7 +66895,7 @@ yeah. some o , to some of them it just bores them stiff. well i think most kids are interested in counting er if it's something that they're interested in, but if they're counting, erm, you know, little dots on a bit of paper or something, it's boring, but if they're i know it -counting butterflies on +counting butterflies on there's a little boy in the nursery, and the the nursery teacher says he's he's thick, for a, he's four, and he's with the younger ones, and she said he's thick because, erm, he just can't be bothered, but what it is, he knows it, yeah. and he thinks well why should i waste my time? @@ -66987,41 +66931,40 @@ see you it's nothing compared to what we've got in the house. see you next week. yeah. - -we stayed in that house till i were eight year old and then we were went on to where i lived the rest of my time and that would have been from nineteen twenty to oh a couple of year ago. +we stayed in that house till i were eight year old and then we were went on to where i lived the rest of my time and that would have been from nineteen twenty to oh a couple of year ago. what was it like on wyre then was it very different? oh entirely different from now. the pier and the hydro and the telephone made a big difference to it. -but erm other eighteen inches or two foot to a jetty to land it. -all the feeding stuff and there were a pile of feeding stuff then for the hens were all and cattle were fed and all the feeding stuff had to be imported. -and sometimes it landed in a gay sorry mess and it really wouldn't there just a couple of feet a couple of stones high just the height of the jetty. +but erm other eighteen inches or two foot to a jetty to land it. +all the feeding stuff and there were a pile of feeding stuff then for the hens were all and cattle were fed and all the feeding stuff had to be imported. +and sometimes it landed in a gay sorry mess and it really wouldn't there just a couple of feet a couple of stones high just the height of the jetty. and we've had many a soaking landing the stuff. steamer sometimes anchored off and sometimes it didn't anchor there was too much wind i guess the anchor didn't hold too well when it was a rough day. how often did you get the steamer? oh it varied from time to time. in the winter time they'd come out on a monday morning and came back on tuesday from kirkwall. and then the summer time they come out on a monday morning and gone back at on monday night. -that was the the first one i can remember. +that was the the first one i can remember. the shipping company supplied the boat for bringing the goods ashore. there's usually a old salmon coble they'd pick up from down the coast somewhere. very flat on the bottom and turned up to the bow and that's what the salmon fishers used in the in the rivers for pulling their nets in and fishing salmon on the . -why choose one of the was it cos they were suitable or cheaper? -well they were suitable and cheaper they were too blooming cheap for the they were usually condemned by the time we got them. +why choose one of the was it cos they were suitable or cheaper? +well they were suitable and cheaper they were too blooming cheap for the they were usually condemned by the time we got them. they lashed alongside and they lowered the stuff right onto the onto the coble to start with we rowed it ashore with a couple or oars or maybe four oars and took off the cattle and that the same way just. or they put a sling round them or made a canvass and two supports on the side of it and the sling to be too hard on the cattle's sides. like a sort of hammock . and er put that on and tied them back and front and up on them tied them to the sides of the coble and and usually towed it with another rowing boat. it was all done by oars then. were the cattle and all ? -oh they were not too bad for that we never had any real disaster . +oh they were not too bad for that we never had any real disaster . just had one jumped over the side from us once and swamp ashore again and we caught it on the on the land again and put it away. -i'm having to swim them off the steamer and tow them in a dinghy to get our put the slings on them before we left the beach and just pushed them into the water and towed them off and hook the hook the into the sling and up them to give them a good wash before they went to kirkwall. +i'm having to swim them off the steamer and tow them in a dinghy to get our put the slings on them before we left the beach and just pushed them into the water and towed them off and hook the hook the into the sling and up them to give them a good wash before they went to kirkwall. it's funny how an animal like a cow or a horse would swim you would think it would be well they can they can swim like fish. for i remember us doing a flipping er a family came to wyre once and we were on the same old coble we were er doing the flipping and we thought we had nothing to do but take the rope off their heads and push them over the side of the coble onto the side of the small jetty. and instead of going up the jetty they went down and they were going to go right back to rousay again. -and another instance of that was well this was not so long ago when we had a loan of a barge from just a mini landing craft sort of thing where the front of it folded down. -so i flipped some cattle from the farm of and right between egilsay and rousay just a short distance, oh maybe a quarter of a miles or thereby, and oh did the shipping perfectly well and and went home and by the time i got home the message had arrived back before me that the there were two old cattle among the younger ones that the fellow had put there just to feed up and the last we saw of them was going up over the island and that was okay we thought everything was okay. +and another instance of that was well this was not so long ago when we had a loan of a barge from just a mini landing craft sort of thing where the front of it folded down. +so i flipped some cattle from the farm of and right between egilsay and rousay just a short distance, oh maybe a quarter of a miles or thereby, and oh did the shipping perfectly well and and went home and by the time i got home the message had arrived back before me that the there were two old cattle among the younger ones that the fellow had put there just to feed up and the last we saw of them was going up over the island and that was okay we thought everything was okay. so the message was that the two old cattle was back in rousay. they swam that strong current you know and landed back on rousay again. just imagine it. @@ -67031,12 +66974,12 @@ but they will do it. were the cattle in rousay and wyre and egilsay were they used to that kind of thing? oh no really no. well you see egilsay and rousay had piers that they could land at and they were never used to be in the water. -but i've seen in my time coble to ship cattle with to swim them off. +but i've seen in my time coble to ship cattle with to swim them off. at it was on a nice day it was all right. i suppose when they got in the water they enjoyed the dip. what about other animals? sheep can be very sort of skittish and excitable . -oh oh oh yes. +oh oh oh yes. there's sometimes there's a job to handle them. i've seen them taken to the sea too and er have a job to round them up. and the horses well they they're the worst to ship some were really bad and they had to be severely tied. @@ -67047,13 +66990,13 @@ what happened in in the depth of winter when it was really bad and stormy as far oh it could be stormy right enough but well the steamer might call at rousay at that time and they would land the goods in rousay the perishables for wyre and when the weather abated we would get it from there. it was just about a half a mile of water to cross. what happened with perishables because you said there was no power no electricity no fridges no freezers nothing . -nothing no i've seen the bread coming out on a monday morning warm and landed at from the big houses and that was before the days of the cooling of the bread. -they have coolers now to take the steam away from them. +nothing no i've seen the bread coming out on a monday morning warm and landed at from the big houses and that was before the days of the cooling of the bread. +they have coolers now to take the steam away from them. and the boxes would even be warm when they landed at wyre down in the hold of the steamer. but the bread soon turned green in this time of year and there was quite a lot of penicillin about hence.. did folks still have girdles then or was that going out? oh yes i guess they'd girdles oh i suppose when the hens failed the girdles were possibly thrown out. -but the hens when was the hurricane there about finished them. +but the hens when was the hurricane there about finished them. about at their height about the hurricane time and was it fifty one i think. what was it like? oh terrible. @@ -67061,10 +67004,10 @@ i thought i would never seen the next day. the stacks were just simply not there. it just lifted the roofing from the base of the stack and hen houses just scattered all over the place. just hens laying here there and everywhere. -i remember me gathering the hens up that night late oh about ten or eleven o'clock at night and we had our own power you see by that time. +i remember me gathering the hens up that night late oh about ten or eleven o'clock at night and we had our own power you see by that time. just our own lighting plant and the hens would even come out and meet you in the dark they knew knew you were coming. -and they'd come along cattle there just contented as could be and then they got their supper and we'd give them a wee while of light still to eat their supper. -and the first was a twelve volt but then we came to a hundred and ten so i just strung it down along the two top wires of the fence and they were live and oh there were about six or nine hen houses attached to the fence with those wires for electricity. +and they'd come along cattle there just contented as could be and then they got their supper and we'd give them a wee while of light still to eat their supper. +and the first was a twelve volt but then we came to a hundred and ten so i just strung it down along the two top wires of the fence and they were live and oh there were about six or nine hen houses attached to the fence with those wires for electricity. but the next morning there was nothing left. on this night you said you'd gone up to feed them? yes. @@ -67073,14 +67016,14 @@ and the wind got up in the night and pretty strong and we had a hut a twenty by and there was nothing left but the base of that. whole thing just went like a matchbox. and i got up and i was gonna tie her up like but and by gosh i thought i'd better make for the door again. -and there was a lot of space between the hut and the door and the wind took me and flung me right up against the tank and i went down to the ground and crawled on me hands and knees. +and there was a lot of space between the hut and the door and the wind took me and flung me right up against the tank and i went down to the ground and crawled on me hands and knees. i didn't go out again. i remember before that the wind changed pretty suddenly from southwest to nearer west i think and i'd made a new hen house i thought indestructible. and we had sixty pullets at the point of lay in this house to be moved out from the house to a field. and we were standing on the end of the house and i thought i had nothing to tie that down with but there were concrete blocks there i had a pile of those in the corner and well it took the whole blooming thing. and minced the hens up with the blocks. -oh it was terrible. -and it let an old house alongside with nothing in it and hardly a door on it and that stood right alongside of that one and it must have been like a comb it just must have gone in strips the gale for that house was now twelve foot away from the other one. +oh it was terrible. +and it let an old house alongside with nothing in it and hardly a door on it and that stood right alongside of that one and it must have been like a comb it just must have gone in strips the gale for that house was now twelve foot away from the other one. and why did that one stand and the blocks in in this one and the hens and everything. so that was disaster. were you married then? @@ -67088,7 +67031,7 @@ mhm mhm. did you have a young family as well? yes and we took the whole thing down to the kitchen for the upstairs rooms were just going like this. and when we were down in the kitchen the partition between the butt and the bairn as they called it was going like that inside of the house in the gale. -and it ripped about a quarter of the roof off before it finished and the slates but er still good. +and it ripped about a quarter of the roof off before it finished and the slates but er still good. oh it lifted huge stones you know it wa it was incredible. were the bairns frightened? well some of them i suppose slept over it. @@ -67096,7 +67039,7 @@ what? yes. but i certainly did not. and when it daylight came the next day next morning you could hardly believe it you could hardly see rousay for the foam that the gale kick up like a thick fog. -the had risen in the air and i never want to see the like again. +the had risen in the air and i never want to see the like again. it must have done an awful lot of damage everywhere else too. oh it did that all right. and some of that hen houses blew right on the sea. @@ -67122,19 +67065,19 @@ going for the wind. thing about boats you know you were speaking about the steamer coming back and forth to wyre, but what kind of a boat service was there local boat service. cos if the steamer only came once a week that wouldn't have been enough. oh that was about the lot er we had. -if you wanted to go to kirkwall you had to cross to the rousay pier and then either hire a car or walk to and get across with tom . -erm that was in the early days charley and tom did the crossing there for the mails and early in nineteen fifty one no fifty five that we took over the mails. -and we before that we made quite a few runs to kirkwall with a that was a small one that we had and erm you had to get the bus from evie of course to kirkwall and back the same way. -back along with the back to what you would call the sea crossing er to and get on to the rousay pier then and get a dinghy or something and row across to wyre. -did you start doing a passenger service when you got the mail contract or did you to the mail just on its own first or did you +if you wanted to go to kirkwall you had to cross to the rousay pier and then either hire a car or walk to and get across with tom . +erm that was in the early days charley and tom did the crossing there for the mails and early in nineteen fifty one no fifty five that we took over the mails. +and we before that we made quite a few runs to kirkwall with a that was a small one that we had and erm you had to get the bus from evie of course to kirkwall and back the same way. +back along with the back to what you would call the sea crossing er to and get on to the rousay pier then and get a dinghy or something and row across to wyre. +did you start doing a passenger service when you got the mail contract or did you to the mail just on its own first or did you no we did we did passengers before the mails. -we used to run direct to kirkwall via and erm it was then that the post office caught hold of us and wanted us to take on the mails. +we used to run direct to kirkwall via and erm it was then that the post office caught hold of us and wanted us to take on the mails. so -how did you work that was it er sort of round like egilsay or did you -no no the first mail run we had was just merely from to rousay to collect the rousay mails and dump them at the rousay pier and they were sorted in rousay for egilsay and wyre besides that. +how did you work that was it er sort of round like egilsay or did you +no no the first mail run we had was just merely from to rousay to collect the rousay mails and dump them at the rousay pier and they were sorted in rousay for egilsay and wyre besides that. and as we were coming home from rousay pier we met the wyre post boat coming across for the mails that we already had dumped in rousay. -and egilsay crossed to the school just there yes . -er they crossed there to for the mails for years and years. +and egilsay crossed to the school just there yes . +er they crossed there to for the mails for years and years. and you said you met the wyre post boat coming back so you didn't as we went back to wyre home to wyre we could meet the wyre post boat coming across for the mails that we put to rousay. @@ -67143,25 +67086,25 @@ well you see they had the mail er contract on wyre long before we start. but it finally ended up that we had the whole thing rousay egilsay and wyre. so did you do a passenger service direct to kirkwall calling at egilsay and rousay? er yes just er no really a service it was more hires than anything else. -just er for the business. +just er for the business. oh so that so the passenger service it it wasn't actually a a daily passenger service like it is now then? oh no no no. -well we went every day on about the mail so it was a passenger service that really started off in nineteen fifty five but we bought maybe in nineteen fifty three or fifty four. +well we went every day on about the mail so it was a passenger service that really started off in nineteen fifty five but we bought maybe in nineteen fifty three or fifty four. we had to run direct to kirkwall quite a lot then. -when did the bus service start to then? +when did the bus service start to then? oh it was a while after we start. actually it not that long ago. but a few years now. -well what did folk do when they got to then? -oh well bob had a mini bus that he went with and picked up the passengers. +well what did folk do when they got to then? +oh well bob had a mini bus that he went with and picked up the passengers. and of course he died and i think there was no bus then? no. -they only thing they could do was to go walk up to walk up a road to and contact the evie bus but it didn't come down along for years and years. -and then er tom retired and he used to run the bus long after we start the mails and then he retired and er the bus service to come down along and pick up the passengers and that was how it start. -there was tom running a passenger service at the same time as you were doing the mail? +they only thing they could do was to go walk up to walk up a road to and contact the evie bus but it didn't come down along for years and years. +and then er tom retired and he used to run the bus long after we start the mails and then he retired and er the bus service to come down along and pick up the passengers and that was how it start. +there was tom running a passenger service at the same time as you were doing the mail? mhm and he lost the mails in nineteen fifty five. -he packed up the mails and er tackled the to have a go. +he packed up the mails and er tackled the to have a go. and we were not too keen on it at that time but had been all right. so are there two boats going every day then? well yes there would nearly two going every day indeed. @@ -67173,30 +67116,30 @@ things wouldn't have kept what you would have had a totally different kind of ea well i suppose more salted meat i mean more home home butching and erm making bread i suppose or the womenfolk were likely baking every day. it must be totally different now i i know that in places like hoy that just used the freezers all the time. yes mhm. -even with our daily transport +even with our daily transport mhm. oh yes we yeah we use a freezer too. -we took in and for and still use it. +we took in and for and still use it. i thought plenty believe in fresh meat and that. i suppose fresh meat is better but you're only suppose to keep a certain time anyway even in the freezer. what about fishing? when you were younger in wyre, how did folk make a living? -oh plenty of porridge and milk and er oh there was no much money to be made i mean and there was a lot bigger population then than what it is now. +oh plenty of porridge and milk and er oh there was no much money to be made i mean and there was a lot bigger population then than what it is now. you said about the hens making a lot, how did how did they work that as an industry with the eggs and things how did they collect and work? -we had a oh nearly a dozen cases of eggs dozen sometimes for some farms. +we had a oh nearly a dozen cases of eggs dozen sometimes for some farms. and it was a big business and tons of feeding stuff. for every ton of feeding stuff then there maybe a hundredweight now coming ashore. it was what happened? well imported eggs i suppose. irish eggs and goodness knows whatnot. -oh and there's factory farming this er big business. +oh and there's factory farming this er big business. i guess it flawed the lot of it. you could always tell a deep litter egg. oh absolutely. it stank and it was dark orange. yes. -you could tell a broiler what they call them er fowls. +you could tell a broiler what they call them er fowls. that was absolutely white compared with a fully range fowl. i mean that's the meat. oh that's just no so good. @@ -67209,9 +67152,9 @@ but it didn't last. what happened with the egg packing station? oh well it just packed up you know no eggs and that was that. there were two packing stations at one time. -one down at here and er where was the other one or the down the road here. +one down at here and er where was the other one or the down the road here. that was a fairly big one and i think there may have been one at stromness too. -oh it had washing machines and goodness knows whatnot auto +oh it had washing machines and goodness knows whatnot auto what's automatic feeders and such likes. what sort of prices did folk get for eggs then? @@ -67223,13 +67166,13 @@ i always seem to recall the women up to their elbows in freezing cold water wash washing eggs? mhm. oh yes. -and plenty got this egg wash you see. +and plenty got this egg wash you see. and just filled a net basket of eggs and put it down in the in the water and the water flowed through it kind of. possibly possibly with a pump i don't know. but it would be better if it did not need washing. -the egg was actually the eggs would keep better washed. +the egg was actually the eggs would keep better washed. oh why's that then? -well i think it broke the seal in the wash and er which was good get them as they were laid they were okay. +well i think it broke the seal in the wash and er which was good get them as they were laid they were okay. keep the nests clean but that was no good to do either so. sometimes the hens would start eating them and break the eggs oh what a mess. when they changed the deep litter did it erm i've heard folks say that it actually affected the hens that they that they went cannibal and @@ -67245,26 +67188,25 @@ mhm mhm. old one old ones just used which was at the bulb in every hen house and it was free range and i think there was nothing better than that. and they would lay just when and collect them eggs that night afore the gale. it was i just heard about - erm, i mean i don't mind no i think i put your ideas up cos i wanna get that done, bit er i'd be perfectly happy if that was er -right, no problem, jolly good, erm -this one er what's, what's going on, he said well what i been called for +right, no problem, jolly good, erm +this one er what's, what's going on, he said well what i been called for mhm -have them turned on, er and that's it, well this school +have them turned on, er and that's it, well this school and he's asked to put another one on, for this morning no, no -i said er,if we get the rest up we'll in the vicinity was obviously not unusual +i said er,if we get the rest up we'll in the vicinity was obviously not unusual well i suggest we have a bit beautiful a bit chilly the weather might there's better for your yes good -i know i just i don't know why it's too much coming her to discuss +i know i just i don't know why it's too much coming her to discuss yeah -and they just drum it in wants to know, i know what he's when he, when he or +and they just drum it in wants to know, i know what he's when he, when he or that is, well it's central well i hope we will get something mm, mm @@ -67307,19 +67249,18 @@ okay er does it want to be yes, yes it does yeah, for both of us? -right, the control panel erm sort of built in +right, the control panel erm sort of built in and erm sixty watt, two hundred and sixty watt from -well if you get three amps we can have that er, that +well if you get three amps we can have that er, that manage it to go from yes yes, i'll put that one down, i'll put that one down, there, i've got er i've got to clear up erm - can we start off with your name? it's william isn't it? -william aye. +william aye. and you're a retired farmer? i'm no ret well aye, yes. how old are you mr ? @@ -67329,10 +67270,10 @@ and this is an uplands farm? no this is . aha, but it's upland? oh well, more or less. -and have you stayed er in all your days? +and have you stayed er in all your days? all my days. when did you first encounter tinkers? -oh i'd oh i'd be about three year old. +oh i'd oh i'd be about three year old. they, you see to, they used to have a, they used to camp at the very top of the hill up there. mhm. and, and they used to draw in there. @@ -67342,19 +67283,19 @@ caravans. horse. with a horse? aye. -what year would this be +what year would this be oh it would be just, just about the start of the first world war. aye, and what were their names? well, there used to be a lot come up from kendal. aha, down in cumbria. -aye, there was er a billy , a harry , and er there was another lot come, i c i just can't remember their name but after the first world war this billy used to come round this part and collect cast horses. +aye, there was er a billy , a harry , and er there was another lot come, i c i just can't remember their name but after the first world war this billy used to come round this part and collect cast horses. you know, buy cast horses. -and he used to walk them all the way, i remember once him starting out er from what we call hole, that's at the top of the hill there, er starting out to walk them to newcastle, and he took eleven. -it er er he pleated the he the halter into the tail of the leading horse and he took them down the road in a string like a train. +and he used to walk them all the way, i remember once him starting out er from what we call hole, that's at the top of the hill there, er starting out to walk them to newcastle, and he took eleven. +it er er he pleated the he the halter into the tail of the leading horse and he took them down the road in a string like a train. and i remember him once leaving up there with eleven. was that one of the main reasons that they started coming here for the horses? well no no they came here before that. -you see they used to come around and they they, they er the kendal ones used to sell baskets and basket chairs and, and a lot of kind of er stuff made with and then +you see they used to come around and they they, they er the kendal ones used to sell baskets and basket chairs and, and a lot of kind of er stuff made with and then that they made themselves? that's right. and then there was another lot came. @@ -67364,7 +67305,7 @@ now wait a minute. er were they scottish at all most of them? aye. -aye they, they belonged to about i think they came from. +aye they, they belonged to about i think they came from. they wouldn't be paul ? oh they, now they could've been . and they used to make what they called chappens that was, that was a, a tin jug. @@ -67374,22 +67315,22 @@ and they called them chappens aye, they used to er kind of chapping tin. aha,. and, and er and then there was -there was other ones made clothes pegs and and er well they all, they all had a kind of trade. -aha, but you know they weren't begging, they all did something? +there was other ones made clothes pegs and and er well they all, they all had a kind of trade. +aha, but you know they weren't begging, they all did something? oh no no no no, far from it. aha. -i remember once, they used to be at 's. +i remember once, they used to be at 's. mhm. -and i remember once old used to gather sacks, ken bags and, and he went to, and i remember one night he come, he'd been round the country hawking and he come home. +and i remember once old used to gather sacks, ken bags and, and he went to, and i remember one night he come, he'd been round the country hawking and he come home. mhm. and er, wife had er, what they call the cheety boxes. you ken what they are? no. -well cheet cheety boxes are three s bits of iron, with a chain in the middle that hung over a fire you see? +well cheet cheety boxes are three s bits of iron, with a chain in the middle that hung over a fire you see? aha. and of course she had the pan on right. -when old come home and he just, the old wifey broke the eggs into the pan and threw them onto the plate for +when old come home and he just, the old wifey broke the eggs into the pan and threw them onto the plate for aha. and he just halved them did he stay in a caravan? @@ -67401,7 +67342,7 @@ what, what were they like? to look at? there, there was one deaf and dumb mhm. -and well they used to make, and they made these they made kind of lots of tin things you know like different sizes and i cannae just describe what they, there was one had big whiskers down his face but er the rest was clean shaven, you ken. +and well they used to make, and they made these they made kind of lots of tin things you know like different sizes and i cannae just describe what they, there was one had big whiskers down his face but er the rest was clean shaven, you ken. and these, you think they came from , the . i think they came from . and did they camp up the hill as well? @@ -67411,31 +67352,31 @@ there on a sunday. caravans? no no, individuals, oh there might have been five or six or maybe eight caravans. were there any with tents? -no, not then, they all had cara well they used to have wee things they could stick on a a cart, a kind of bow shaped thing. +no, not then, they all had cara well they used to have wee things they could stick on a a cart, a kind of bow shaped thing. aha, and you ken they used to lift it off and put it in the ground. mhm. -but er oh they, they used to be ,, er and what do you call the other ones that come ? +but er oh they, they used to be ,, er and what do you call the other ones that come ? mhm. -er now just let me think. +er now just let me think. , there was another lot came from . from ? aye. -there's still some of these live in . +there's still some of these live in . mm. -and in fact there's one that, a daughter of one, lives up way somewhere. +and in fact there's one that, a daughter of one, lives up way somewhere. did any of them have tents like that one? this one? have you ever seen tents like that round about here? -well i'm telling you they stuck it they had a sort of flat bottomed cart and they used to stick it in and when they came there they, they lifted it off and stuck it in the ground and it was just similar to that only it was hooped +well i'm telling you they stuck it they had a sort of flat bottomed cart and they used to stick it in and when they came there they, they lifted it off and stuck it in the ground and it was just similar to that only it was hooped aha. like that. aha. aye. mm. -but of, of course the motor car all, all i'm describing what it was like in the horse days. +but of, of course the motor car all, all i'm describing what it was like in the horse days. aha. -and th this, this er harry , he, he came from the area, er he always, he was a great basket maker +and th this, this er harry , he, he came from the area, er he always, he was a great basket maker mhm. and he made baskets and, and these kind of basket chairs and mhm. @@ -67452,48 +67393,48 @@ no bother at all, except what except there was one, er that fell out with my father once erm jackie . mhm. -that's the only one that ever i remembered but they were all, and they you know they, they used to graze their horses up there in that field up at the top, and this billy that used to go round all the district and, and buy up all these old cast horses and bring them up there until he had a consignment gathered up. +that's the only one that ever i remembered but they were all, and they you know they, they used to graze their horses up there in that field up at the top, and this billy that used to go round all the district and, and buy up all these old cast horses and bring them up there until he had a consignment gathered up. and they used to go to belgium, they, they er walked them through to get a boat at newcastle and they used to got to belgium for to sell the horses? horse meat. mhm, oh i see, he sold them and them they were shipped across. -aye, shipped across, he, i don't know whether he billy they called him, he, he, he wasn't very tall, but ooh he was a wiry character, could walk, walk a hundred miles in a day almost . +aye, shipped across, he, i don't know whether he billy they called him, he, he, he wasn't very tall, but ooh he was a wiry character, could walk, walk a hundred miles in a day almost . did they ever go for wool from the sheep? -oh yes, oh there, aye there was, ah but these this lot that i'm telling you about they were more or less traders. +oh yes, oh there, aye there was, ah but these this lot that i'm telling you about they were more or less traders. aha. but they used to get the, the, the odd ones that used to come and gather s what we call hiplocks again that was the dirty wool off the sheath pin, sounds like that. and they would wash it, and then sell it? aye, that's right. -and then they used to get , they used to be in jackie , he always gathered bags and +and then they used to get , they used to be in jackie , he always gathered bags and what type of bags? oh any type of bag. and he used to wash them all, and, and er you know the manure fertilizer came in jute bags then mhm. and er he used to, he had a contract with some big potato firm and he used to buy all the, the fertilizer bags in the locality and he used to bring them there to the end of the road and he used to wash them in the burn. and he, he got a good price for them with them being washed for to put potatoes in. -he, he went to america, in fact his widow was over it'll be about two years ago and she came and seen us, and she remembered er me as, as a, she was eighty six. -i think it's eighty six, and er she remembered me as a, as a, as a little boy when jackie used to wash his bags down here. -she remembered me coming down to the burn and tramping the bags in the the , help to wash them. +he, he went to america, in fact his widow was over it'll be about two years ago and she came and seen us, and she remembered er me as, as a, she was eighty six. +i think it's eighty six, and er she remembered me as a, as a, as a little boy when jackie used to wash his bags down here. +she remembered me coming down to the burn and tramping the bags in the the , help to wash them. could you pass over the book again please? at the back it's got er you know a glossary of . oh yes. -have you heard any of these words being used for the side of things by the, the tinkers? +have you heard any of these words being used for the side of things by the, the tinkers? dickety gadgy aye. aye, i've heard that. -it's just that some of these words say they, they might have used them, i mean i've done the and the ones but i've never come upon anyone that's heard of the, the cant. +it's just that some of these words say they, they might have used them, i mean i've done the and the ones but i've never come upon anyone that's heard of the, the cant. er and maybe the way they said it. aye gr well i've heard of the , a guffy that's what they used call ham. guffy ah bit of, i've had a bit of guffy -what like, they call, the ones call a, a pig a grumfy -a grumfy aye, well they call it a guffy here er you see, you see this apron +what like, they call, the ones call a, a pig a grumfy +a grumfy aye, well they call it a guffy here er you see, you see this apron aha. well, they used to call it a dadely did they? aye. -ah the professor here's from er the newfoundland university studied all the dialects in great britain. +ah the professor here's from er the newfoundland university studied all the dialects in great britain. did they? and they discovered that the most expressive dialect in britain was in galloway. and they sent @@ -67512,9 +67453,9 @@ squarks aye. no but, erm he, he says to me he says, have you any expressions that you, you think's very expressive? and i says, yes, i says, i've dozens of them. and er he says, what is it? -i says, well, i says, i was reading a book and an old wifey that lived up at and she was about ninety six, and this chap that was interviewing her, well he wouldn't be interviewing her but he said she sat by the fire and she hostied and clochered until she nearly spewed. +i says, well, i says, i was reading a book and an old wifey that lived up at and she was about ninety six, and this chap that was interviewing her, well he wouldn't be interviewing her but he said she sat by the fire and she hostied and clochered until she nearly spewed. that's marvellous. -and er of course another a another er expression was the wee boch'll come helshing down the street. +and er of course another a another er expression was the wee boch'll come helshing down the street. you ,helshing what was the well kind of with a limp. oh right aye. @@ -67526,7 +67467,7 @@ no. no. shan gadgy aye,sh , aye well i, i'd s i'd say to you there to start with dickerty gadgy do you ken what that means? -erm +erm that was that was tinker language again. erm the gadgy's man. that's right. @@ -67537,7 +67478,7 @@ she come here, she used to come here with her man, you ken they were tramps, but tinker tinker. yeah. -but to be quite truthful as i've said to the boys, when i'm away all this is lost. +but to be quite truthful as i've said to the boys, when i'm away all this is lost. what i, what i li what i, what i knew about tinkers and, and that, cos there's nobody, there's nobody has any experience of what it was like. there's very few folk left that can remember the, who the tinkers used to come up there and it won't be lost now. @@ -67547,16 +67488,16 @@ oh yes. edinburgh university, they'll take copies of them and keep them there for ever as a sort of reference museum. i've got it, aye. so you're, you're on there. -er you see when i was, this would just be at the start of the first world war, oh damn i haven't put a switch in have i? +er you see when i was, this would just be at the start of the first world war, oh damn i haven't put a switch in have i? no it's alright. and er i remember they use to bring cocks with them and have cock fights. -i've heard about a cockatoo but you're talking about the hens cockerels. +i've heard about a cockatoo but you're talking about the hens cockerels. ah no no, domestic a dom domestic bird, what they call game, fighting game. and i remember when i was a nipper, er er being up there and they had, they always had a box in the back of their caravan where they kept two or three hens, and, and, and er they used to have this game bird. it was a what they call the fighting game, or something to that effect and er the the i remember once i he seeing them having a cock fight. oh boy it was great. were they putting money on it? -oh oh now i don't know whether i wasn't to th er remember whether they gambled on it or not but +oh oh now i don't know whether i wasn't to th er remember whether they gambled on it or not but mhm. i remember them once having a, a cock fight. and this was where, just in the @@ -67571,7 +67512,7 @@ aha, aha. and over by the quarry. yeah. well there used to be a house there. -aha, and it's muddy, there's no signposts it's just +aha, and it's muddy, there's no signposts it's just no no no. that's right, well that's where it, and they drew up that old road, with their caravans you see. oh i see. @@ -67579,16 +67520,16 @@ and they just put them, they just stayed there ? oh yes, aye. there used to be a house there. and where did they go, or did, i mean -oh they went, they went to the ones they used to go away to and and castle . +oh they went, they went to the ones they used to go away to and and castle . hawking as we called it, called it. -what about the ones from and ? +what about the ones from and ? ah well th th they, they were more or less gatherers, you ken they gathered hiplocks and mhm. er scrap and stuff like that. and sold them? aye. where would they sell scraps er round about here? -well they used to se they used to take it to a, a man called in . +well they used to se they used to take it to a, a man called in . mhm,? aye. that's where they used to,they bought fallen skins and @@ -67603,16 +67544,16 @@ this is about nineteen eighteen? yeah, aye, just after the first world war. aye. aha. -and that's when, you see during i can just remember previous to the war them coming there and then of course during the war there was very very few of them on the road then and then after the war they started to come back and that's when this billy and harry and that came up from the side. +and that's when, you see during i can just remember previous to the war them coming there and then of course during the war there was very very few of them on the road then and then after the war they started to come back and that's when this billy and harry and that came up from the side. after the end of the first world war and when the motor car came in did they still come along on horses? oh yes, aye for a year or two but then you see they all got into kind of motor cars -what, when would have that, can you remember +what, when would have that, can you remember oh that would be about the nineteen thirties. and they had cars at that time? aye. beginning of the nineteen thirties. -cos at that time only sort of wealthy people might have had cars, is that -oh still, i remember that jackie , er he bought an old car in and er for scrap like, and he brought it up and he broke it up up there and it was a and it was made in , this car. +cos at that time only sort of wealthy people might have had cars, is that +oh still, i remember that jackie , er he bought an old car in and er for scrap like, and he brought it up and he broke it up up there and it was a and it was made in , this car. and i remember this jackie , and it, it had a most peculiar starting mechanism ever i've seen. mm. there was like a prawl in the flywheel, and you pulled a lever like that and it, there wasn't a connection on to the, like on to the crankshaft with a starting handle, this thing was on the flywheel and it was like a lever @@ -67637,25 +67578,25 @@ sarah? aye. did she stay up here? aye she stayed here. -and, and well i remember once there were a whi a few of the men went away to and they got over the stick, you understand what that means? +and, and well i remember once there were a whi a few of the men went away to and they got over the stick, you understand what that means? got drunk , and they came up and oh what a row. up, up there. aye. it was like a, it was like a waterloo. -and then there was er this they called this one. +and then there was er this they called this one. er this fellow come up fair blue devil go drinking, er he hadn't a, he hadn't, she hadn't his tea ready and he lifted the kettle and he hit her in the mouth with it and oh boy oh boy she'd a mouth like dixie lid. ken what a dixie lid is? no. -you ken your wee dixie's that you for your grub. +you ken your wee dixie's that you for your grub. aha. i think, yeah. and then you eat it. -aye, that's right, you eat dixie. +aye, that's right, you eat dixie. mhm. -and she'd to go to , to get her into the pony and cart and get her away to to the doctor's and get it stitched and, oh boy. +and she'd to go to , to get her into the pony and cart and get her away to to the doctor's and get it stitched and, oh boy. there you saw, and that that wasn't regular, i mean they weren't fighting ? -on no no no, no no, oh no, oh they were very, very very, docile you ken, never interfered with nobody or nothing and the funny thing, you know they all get blamed for poaching and that, but that was one thing they may, may poach but never here. +on no no no, no no, oh no, oh they were very, very very, docile you ken, never interfered with nobody or nothing and the funny thing, you know they all get blamed for poaching and that, but that was one thing they may, may poach but never here. mhm. if they wanted to poach they went away somewhere else. excuse me but did ? @@ -67666,18 +67607,18 @@ when, when did they stop coming here? ah well the motor car did away with it. aha. away with it. -all that's, you see there's, there's a few comes at the, even at the present moment, there's some come down from every year. +all that's, you see there's, there's a few comes at the, even at the present moment, there's some come down from every year. what are they called? . and they still come down with a van yes. to that same site? -no no they come down into the corner of the field here in place. +no no they come down into the corner of the field here in place. aha. and they stay there. and what do they do? oh well they paint sheds and -they ask you for work +they ask you for work that's right. chop wood and aye aye. @@ -67695,17 +67636,17 @@ oh well, they got staying on the place and, oh that money never, er was never as was that, was that your land? aye aye, and my father's anyway. aha, -right up to the, right over, well it used to be er start two fields off . +right up to the, right over, well it used to be er start two fields off . mhm. -and you know where is, no you'll not. +and you know where is, no you'll not. i've got a map, i think,? it's, aye just get it out and i'll let you see. -well you see i had here well i, i, this is, this is a fell and this is here. +well you see i had here well i, i, this is, this is a fell and this is here. well i start about here, mhm. -and i went right to there. +and i went right to there. mm. -go right round about the loch. +go right round about the loch. you see i used, used to have east and west of ,,, farm as well? aye, farm, and . @@ -67715,20 +67656,20 @@ how many acres is that? oh about twelve hundred and fifty. now of course i, i've given it nearly all away. ah well i got the bloody fright of my life once. -when i was in seeing the the banker, and he said to me he said, have you, have you a will made? +when i was in seeing the the banker, and he said to me he said, have you, have you a will made? says i, no. he says, well it was time you were thinking about it. and i says, why? -and he says, you know, he says, if you die tomorrow, he says, they'll clean the boys out in death duties. +and he says, you know, he says, if you die tomorrow, he says, they'll clean the boys out in death duties. so says aye, it's time i was getting something done. -so i just, it used to be, you see that it used to be w g and sons. +so i just, it used to be, you see that it used to be w g and sons. mhm. that's when we all got together aha. but then you see i put wal out on his own, and john out on his own, and, and the . aha. so you see i'm only left with the . -but i was gonna tell you about there was one day i was at for money and i'm coming up the road, and here this chap was standing in the road and er kind of thumbing a lift, so i says to him, i stopped and i often lift people in the road but er after he got into the, i had an old bradford van at the time, and he said er, i said to him, i says, are you on a hiking holiday? +but i was gonna tell you about there was one day i was at for money and i'm coming up the road, and here this chap was standing in the road and er kind of thumbing a lift, so i says to him, i stopped and i often lift people in the road but er after he got into the, i had an old bradford van at the time, and he said er, i said to him, i says, are you on a hiking holiday? oh no, he says, er, he says, i'm not on a hiking holiday, he says er, i'm just back from iceland. he says, i'm an archaeologist. mm. @@ -67742,7 +67683,7 @@ the oldest plough in europe. let me see, ah this is it. here it is, right enough. aye, this is, this is it. -and, and you see your thanks are due to a mr william . +and, and you see your thanks are due to a mr william . ah did you get a mention? the proceedings of the society of antiquities antiquities. @@ -67750,7 +67691,7 @@ nineteen fifty two to fifty three. that's right. page one three four. i'll have a look at that then in er, one of the libraries. -aye, and er you see i used to go over, i used to go over on a sunday, when they came, if you, on the er well you see as i told you this chap here. +aye, and er you see i used to go over, i used to go over on a sunday, when they came, if you, on the er well you see as i told you this chap here. that you picked up? aye i picked up, wait a minute. right. @@ -67768,14 +67709,14 @@ excuse me. and he, and he and of course he was fair amazed. oh he must have been. -and he says, oh, he says, you know it, it, you see we had some old boards that we took out and could walk across onto it. +and he says, oh, he says, you know it, it, you see we had some old boards that we took out and could walk across onto it. and er, he says er, he, he, he got a a got him across onto it, and he never spoke, and he walked round about it about three or four times and he s turned around to me and says, well, well, well. he says, here's something, he says, we, we've been looking for for years and here's me stumbling on it accidentally. -he says, i'll have to let professor know. +he says, i'll have to let professor know. aha. -well that was on a tuesday i believe the letter's on the desk there. -and er i had a letter back on the friday from stuart to say er according to mr 's description it was very interesting and could i possibly meet him at station on the saturday morning. -so of course i went away down to the station and the folk came off the edinburgh train and that, and this gentleman and lady were left and of course i approached them, i says, by any chance, i says, are you professor . +well that was on a tuesday i believe the letter's on the desk there. +and er i had a letter back on the friday from stuart to say er according to mr 's description it was very interesting and could i possibly meet him at station on the saturday morning. +so of course i went away down to the station and the folk came off the edinburgh train and that, and this gentleman and lady were left and of course i approached them, i says, by any chance, i says, are you professor . he says, oh yes, you'll be mr . i says, i am. and er he says er he says, you know i'll have to get somewhere to stay, is there anywhere where i could stay? @@ -67784,53 +67725,52 @@ i says, they have a hotel there, so i brought them up to the hotel and took them and then they sent their students down from edinburgh university to to excavate it. -no they were there for oh maybe eight or ten weekends, excavating. +no they were there for oh maybe eight or ten weekends, excavating. where did they stay? -well some of them stayed in , and this book's got the a bit of the worse for the wear aye here it is you see. +well some of them stayed in , and this book's got the a bit of the worse for the wear aye here it is you see. of course this was all photographed at the time, and they found the oldest plough in europe. - can you tell us how you first became involved in the dispute? -well i was working in the quarry, and er it's last march turned round and said he wanted a new implemented with a new miracle saw that he had bought and he didn't really give us much warning about what he was gonna do but all he said was that er he was gonna scrap our old bonus contract and implement a new one no matter what, and from various figures that were bandied about we all realized we were gonna back quite a lot worse off because of it. +well i was working in the quarry, and er it's last march turned round and said he wanted a new implemented with a new miracle saw that he had bought and he didn't really give us much warning about what he was gonna do but all he said was that er he was gonna scrap our old bonus contract and implement a new one no matter what, and from various figures that were bandied about we all realized we were gonna back quite a lot worse off because of it. was the imple implementation of the bonus scheme at that time linked t to the new s er the new saw table? i i think so. -it was partly with the new saw table and also he wanted to try and get more er sellable saleable product out of the slate, cos previously we had been throwing away quite a bit or giving it to and i think it really started as a family argument between him and his brother. -in , his brother in law in you know and er he was somewhat hurt that his brother in law will was getting a tremendous share of small blocks and he wanted to make more money out of them. +it was partly with the new saw table and also he wanted to try and get more er sellable saleable product out of the slate, cos previously we had been throwing away quite a bit or giving it to and i think it really started as a family argument between him and his brother. +in , his brother in law in you know and er he was somewhat hurt that his brother in law will was getting a tremendous share of small blocks and he wanted to make more money out of them. h how did it become apparent that the new erm bonus scheme was going to operate to your disadvantage? well we certainly saw it as a disadvantage, he thought we'd be er very well off with it. -i think er through the figures that he was producing we all realized something was up and various computers flying around the place you know, and the figures produced by them. +i think er through the figures that he was producing we all realized something was up and various computers flying around the place you know, and the figures produced by them. that's you know it was all purely hypothetical the figures they produced but er they were comparing it to what we had pr previously been producing we all sort of realized that for a set production figure we could have been up to forty pound worse off, per week. -c can you give me some idea of er the level of erm i'll call it education, the level of education people that were working er about the bonus scheme that er -well i i think er it's it's quite hard to to talk about it but er cer i th i think people were grieved that the bonus system that had been going since the quarry was started up again by 's father was gonna be scrapped with really no consultation with the workers if you like, and i think everybody thought that you know we'd been producing a lot of slate and been paid well for it previously and he should leave well alone. +c can you give me some idea of er the level of erm i'll call it education, the level of education people that were working er about the bonus scheme that er +well i i think er it's it's quite hard to to talk about it but er cer i th i think people were grieved that the bonus system that had been going since the quarry was started up again by 's father was gonna be scrapped with really no consultation with the workers if you like, and i think everybody thought that you know we'd been producing a lot of slate and been paid well for it previously and he should leave well alone. you know both sides were very happy you know it was up with the company or down with the company you know, and i think certainly the younger lads sort of saw it as an infringement upon their future, you know we've all got mortgages and the o older men who'd been working since the quarry started you know were gonna see a drop in their standard of living, so i think you know people were getting a bit upset you know that a n a new fella h a new face had come in, and all of a sudden you know changes were being made that were gonna hurt everybody financially. -was the the of the new bonus scheme the only cause for unrest at that time? +was the the of the new bonus scheme the only cause for unrest at that time? i think so yes, yeah. yeah, i i can't think of any other things that you know that would have led to us sort of withdrawing our labour,e everything else could've settled amicably or through discussions with the union. no i think it was purely the financial aspect of the thing. -when it became clear t to you that the bo the new bonus scheme was not operating to your advantage, how did you go about representing your feelings to the quarry owners? +when it became clear t to you that the bo the new bonus scheme was not operating to your advantage, how did you go about representing your feelings to the quarry owners? i think almost daily there were discussions between our two shop stewards and the quarry owners about you know, levels of production, expected targets, increase in production and all this, and er i think you know through those daily discussions we made our side of the argument known and we we told him that we'd work to rule if things weren't proper and if we didn't like it. i it's just the attitude about th the way he went about the whole thing. that's what upset us most. you know it seemed to be that we had a working rule that had functioned reasonably well over the years and all of a sudden he was tearing up various paragraphs that didn't suit him, and altering bits you know and changing them round just to suit the company, and all to our disadvantage. er you v vindicated that you were in fact talking on quite a sophisticated level with the quarry owners in the sense that you were able to break up your argument into various categories as as you've said. how how was this sophistication accepted by the quarry owners? -erm well a at one time, when we put various arguments to him, he just turned round and decided that everyone over sixty would be surplus to requirements and er and sent down the road if you like. +erm well a at one time, when we put various arguments to him, he just turned round and decided that everyone over sixty would be surplus to requirements and er and sent down the road if you like. well you know we weren't too impressed with that and the next day he took that back and re-employed them. but er no it seems strange you're dealing with a man who's got your future in his h in his hands, yet he can turn round and do stupid things like that, and totally just disregard the human aspect if you like. you mention the fact that er you were talking to a new manager or relatively new, erm had w was the trouble if you like in any way related to the appointment of this new manager? -well, i i was fairly new in the company myself so i hadn't worked for his father for long before took over the managership or chairmanship or whatever he is, so i i'm really not too sure about the whole thing but certainly for a quarry manager or quarry director or owner, he didn't really know the slate as well as the workers, and he was expecting things out of his workers and the slate, the product, that were really just not on. +well, i i was fairly new in the company myself so i hadn't worked for his father for long before took over the managership or chairmanship or whatever he is, so i i'm really not too sure about the whole thing but certainly for a quarry manager or quarry director or owner, he didn't really know the slate as well as the workers, and he was expecting things out of his workers and the slate, the product, that were really just not on. you know, it couldn't be you know w we we couldn't produce what he wanted, and certainly the material wasn't there for the things he wanted to do, and yet he seemed to assume that he knew everything and wouldn't take any advice from the experienced men in the quarry. -was was any attempt made by the the experienced men the one who the ones who understood the rock and been in the presumably been in the industry +was was any attempt made by the the experienced men the one who the ones who understood the rock and been in the presumably been in the industry was there any attempt by them to ed educate him well i i think er he's of the age where he was unwilling to learn. he thought that modern techniques could be put to use, where in some cases they'd been tried and failed beforehand. i mean he went off to italy and bought at great expense a wire saw,have had a wire saw for years and that hasn't proved successful. okay in italy on the marble it does work, but on the slate it you know it it hasn't worked and i think various quarries have tried it and found out that it doesn't work, and yet he assumed that he knew better and you know,little little things like that, you know he just seemed unwilling to learn or lis heed advice. -was was there any sort of attempt to er acquisition of expensive equipment now, was there any attempt made to gain the er the knowledge of the workforce on what would be suitable machinery to buy? +was was there any sort of attempt to er acquisition of expensive equipment now, was there any attempt made to gain the er the knowledge of the workforce on what would be suitable machinery to buy? well i suppose he might have asked some of the fitters, but i doubt it somehow seeing some of the acquisitions that he made from llanberis when they were closing down there. and he probably asked the quarry manager and the under manager there. i know the under manager went off to italy to look at this saw. but er he never asked me, put it that way, what i thought was suitable machinery and he, as far as i know he never asked other rock men what they thought was suitable for the rock and other slate makers what they thought was suitable for inside the mill, or the diamond saw operators, what sort of saws they thought were the best. -if you had've been asked, would you for what he actually bought? +if you had've been asked, would you for what he actually bought? certainly the saw he bought for the mill i think that has great prospects and you know there's no two ways about it, it could help production and ease the work of the workforce. sort of in conjunction with that, that has to go you know i has to be tied in with a bonus contract that suits the workforce. and you know, no two ways about it that saw was definitely a a good acquisition. @@ -67840,15 +67780,15 @@ no i don't think so. no. i in what way? in the sense that production could be upped but your level of income wouldn't not be permitted t to rise,. -oh yeah,i in that way er certainly when he produced the bonus contract to go with the saw table, you know we w that was fairly plain, that production would have risen in his estimates quite considerably, and yet our wages in fact would have dropped quite considerably so, yes i mean er it didn't seem quite to tally in the way we would have like to have seen it. -d c c could you have visualized any way in which production could have been controlled apart from his down about a certain amount? +oh yeah,i in that way er certainly when he produced the bonus contract to go with the saw table, you know we w that was fairly plain, that production would have risen in his estimates quite considerably, and yet our wages in fact would have dropped quite considerably so, yes i mean er it didn't seem quite to tally in the way we would have like to have seen it. +d c c could you have visualized any way in which production could have been controlled apart from his down about a certain amount? well there's a physical limit to how much we could produce in a an eight hour shift and all the slate makers were adamant that the figures he reckoned they could produce and what they reckoned they could produce you know they were totally different. so i mean there is a limit to how much we can earn, you know bonus-wise. so i i do don't think he could control it that much. but what we realized was that even if we hit his estimates we were still gonna be worse off. after you'd been erm in daily discussions w with the management, when did it occur to you that things w just not gonna happen? -well i it was i'm not quite sure we we got the other two quarries in the company, in the group of companies, together and told them our problems, and they said right okay fair enough, we'll help you. -and i think it was, we were willing to go back to work and carry on discussions, albeit without earning any bonus because we were working to rule at the time, but it was what happened in er the quarry that really started the strike, when he laid the workforce off because they were helping us, or joining us in sympathetic action, you know there was a lockout up there, so i think that speeded up things considerably. +well i it was i'm not quite sure we we got the other two quarries in the company, in the group of companies, together and told them our problems, and they said right okay fair enough, we'll help you. +and i think it was, we were willing to go back to work and carry on discussions, albeit without earning any bonus because we were working to rule at the time, but it was what happened in er the quarry that really started the strike, when he laid the workforce off because they were helping us, or joining us in sympathetic action, you know there was a lockout up there, so i think that speeded up things considerably. we all thought right okay, we'll get out for a few days and matters'll come to a head, get sorted out and we'd be back at work, happy as anything you know, everything sorted within a couple of weeks. unfortunately it was not to be. what w ho wh was the reaction when you decided you would work to rule? @@ -67858,31 +67798,31 @@ but erm certainly we were a lot worse off, cos we we were just earning a day rat so yeah we all thought, we'll work to rule a couple of weeks, things'll get sorted and we'll all be back to normal. you said that the other t t two quarries were sort of l l l linked er with you. how did you how d how did it arise that there was this degree of cooperation? -well i think there were niggling little points in all the quarries, the workforce certainly hasn't been happy up in for a long time. -in i think things have ticked over er various little things have been sorted but all internally without resorting to outside help. +well i think there were niggling little points in all the quarries, the workforce certainly hasn't been happy up in for a long time. +in i think things have ticked over er various little things have been sorted but all internally without resorting to outside help. and because each of the directors seems to have a share in the brother's or brother in law's concerns you know we all thought right, if they're gonna play the game together, we'll play the game together, and see what happens. -and you know when after we had withdrawn our labour, then various things arose in that needed sorting out, and the bonus system there, if we thought ours was unfair, their's was totally out the window. +and you know when after we had withdrawn our labour, then various things arose in that needed sorting out, and the bonus system there, if we thought ours was unfair, their's was totally out the window. at least we were earning some money, and they were ending up owing the company money i think. was the the degree of cooperation, was it was it on an informal basis or was it er through the transport and general that you got together? erm, we called a lodge meeting before the annual leave, annual shutdown, and in that lodge meeting all three quarries agreed to go on a work to rule as from the resumption of work, which is second week of august. i can't remember in fact if there was a transport official there. i suppose there must have been but i can't remember. -so i i think it started on an informal basis, you know everyone was just a little bit fed up with the way they're being treated and the way you know been told how much we could earn, how we could earn it, when when we could earn it and all this sort of palaver. -so it started informally. +so i i think it started on an informal basis, you know everyone was just a little bit fed up with the way they're being treated and the way you know been told how much we could earn, how we could earn it, when when we could earn it and all this sort of palaver. +so it started informally. what was what was the expectation if any er at that time regarding the effect of your action? -well i think it the they've small workforces in each of the three quarries, i think there are twenty in , and twenty odd in and we thought well twenty men aren't really gonna hurt the quarry the companies, the group of companies that much, because slate will still be produced in the other two. -so if we can hurt them or certainly gang together if you like, cos unity is strength, and between the three workforces they'll certainly slow down production and hopefully force things. +well i think it the they've small workforces in each of the three quarries, i think there are twenty in , and twenty odd in and we thought well twenty men aren't really gonna hurt the quarry the companies, the group of companies that much, because slate will still be produced in the other two. +so if we can hurt them or certainly gang together if you like, cos unity is strength, and between the three workforces they'll certainly slow down production and hopefully force things. lodge, was there any erm were there any individuals who were particularly keen and had an idea of what they wanted and and who were who were who were obviously older and more organized than the others i think at the onset we all thought, it's not gonna last long you know a couple of weeks at the most. -i remember coming home and discussing with my wife that another friend that it'd only be a couple of weeks and we'd be back to work. +i remember coming home and discussing with my wife that another friend that it'd only be a couple of weeks and we'd be back to work. no i think at the onset we were all well we were all beginners at the game if you like. so there were no little budding little strike leaders or arthur scargills in the pack. so no i think er we all stuck it together at the start, not really knowing where it was gonna lead us. why do you think it didn't fail er early on as a strike, er a as the fact it was only predicted it would last two or three weeks but it was obvious at the time it was gonna go on. why didn't it fail? well, had we given in then god only knows what would have happened in both our quarry and the other two quarries. -i'm sure the system would have been implemented in the quarry, and they would've suffered even worse than us. -in their bonus would never have been sorted out. +i'm sure the system would have been implemented in the quarry, and they would've suffered even worse than us. +in their bonus would never have been sorted out. i think the whole idea of us managing to stick together for seven months, you know th the fact that we did, bar a few exceptions, you know it's it's amazing. with the help of the women. ho how in fact di di did you keep on go you said mentioned you were out for seven months. @@ -67890,16 +67830,16 @@ when it began to dawn that you were going to be out more than a fortnight or thr i think as soon as people from outside of the community, and the quarrying community, as soon as they started giving us support, telling us right, we'll help you, both financially and you know physically and what have you, you know the students, the women's support group, when things started getting organized. you know then we thought right, we're not just gonna forget about this you know, we'll we'll carry on for a little while longer and then as soon as the ball really started rolling, er personally i thought well you can't back down now,. how how many others do you think had the same reaction t t to you? -erm certainly i think all of our quarry, the quarry, i think we were overwhelmed with the support because it was really in our place that the dispute started and a lot of other people who i'd spoken to you know they they were amazed at the support we received and, seemed to be the shyer the people you know the, some of the lads they never spoke much at lodge meetings, but after a while they'd be getting up and saying their pieces and, you know i think it's just because you knew you had backing, and people helping and urging you on, advising you, and the union helping and you know they leant over backwards in various fields to help us. +erm certainly i think all of our quarry, the quarry, i think we were overwhelmed with the support because it was really in our place that the dispute started and a lot of other people who i'd spoken to you know they they were amazed at the support we received and, seemed to be the shyer the people you know the, some of the lads they never spoke much at lodge meetings, but after a while they'd be getting up and saying their pieces and, you know i think it's just because you knew you had backing, and people helping and urging you on, advising you, and the union helping and you know they leant over backwards in various fields to help us. as soon as we realized we had such tremendous support and you know er right we'll give this a go and we're gonna win. -y you mentioned that the that it was a great encouragement to you to have outside support. +y you mentioned that the that it was a great encouragement to you to have outside support. did it have you any any idea why you had so much support, all all of a sudden? -well, people that i spoke to, spoken to from cardiff, they they originally got involved because one of the lads used to work up in the factory, the chairman of their labour club, and after that i don't, politically you know it started off completely non political, but after a while people latched on to it as a dispute that could be won, and you know that would be one up for the workers and the country. +well, people that i spoke to, spoken to from cardiff, they they originally got involved because one of the lads used to work up in the factory, the chairman of their labour club, and after that i don't, politically you know it started off completely non political, but after a while people latched on to it as a dispute that could be won, and you know that would be one up for the workers and the country. unfortunately that wasn't to be, i er we came a good second but there you go. -people latched onto it as something that wasn't a political strike, wasn't being led by militants, revolutionaries, what have you, and it was something, it was just for the freedom of the working man if you like, and his standard of living was not gonna suffer because of bosses intransig intransigence i'll say it right in a while,and what have you. +people latched onto it as something that wasn't a political strike, wasn't being led by militants, revolutionaries, what have you, and it was something, it was just for the freedom of the working man if you like, and his standard of living was not gonna suffer because of bosses intransig intransigence i'll say it right in a while,and what have you. no we we're not gonna suffer and we're gonna win, we can win. you mention the fact that erm there was a feeling that it was a s because of the size of the workforce, it was possibly a strike which could be won? -yeah i think, small workforce, i mean twenty in our quarry, if one or two back to work that's not really gonna help the management. +yeah i think, small workforce, i mean twenty in our quarry, if one or two back to work that's not really gonna help the management. you know if you got five or six thousand and a few go back to work you know, they can start getting a production run going, but because of the nature of our work, everyone depends on everyone else. really needs the whole twenty men back to start viable production again. w was there a f a feeling during that period th you were going to win? @@ -67907,7 +67847,7 @@ oh yeah. yeah i was convinced we were gonna win. at the start, but as things went on, and just the fact that we never had any talks between the union and the management. the management ref refused to talk all the time and after a while it just got depressing, the fact that nothing seemed to be happening. -how did you explain to your own s s satisfaction during those months that no talks were going on, that into into com into communicating with the quarry ? +how did you explain to your own s s satisfaction during those months that no talks were going on, that into into com into communicating with the quarry ? no, there was just nothing we could do. it'd got to the stage where the workforce were not gonna talk to the management on a an official level, you know we were still talking informally at the picket line and, you know still trying to be helpful and offer our advice on what could be done to solve the dispute. but you know further up the ladder, the union officials and what have you, it was just, they tried, the council tried and all this, and nothing seemed to happen. @@ -67916,11 +67856,11 @@ yeah, yeah. we all assumed that because of the, yeah the media pressure, at least talks would start, but i think possibly the management thought that because of this one-sided pressure, you know it seemed at the time that nothing nice was being said about the management, you know you can almost understand them being reluctant to go into a room and offering their side of the argument. yeah i i think, had they given their side of the argument at the onset, then er things would've been different. but because they refused for one reason or another to dis you know to have talks with the press or television or the ministers, whoever, i think they they burnt their boats. -at what point erm did i er did it become an official dispute,how how at the point of becoming an official dispute? +at what point erm did i er did it become an official dispute,how how at the point of becoming an official dispute? i think when we were, as far as i can remember is when we were sent either letters of, letters to warn us that we were gonna be dismissed if we didn't turn up for work or either when we were dismissed. er from then on, you know, things were really put in put into action. -was that, was that er on the basis of your acting c collectively as a as a lodge or was it again was it shop stewards who acted ? -no, no i ever every decision was taken at the lodge, the shop stewards didn't run the strike between them and just inform us after every decision was taken by all fifty members at the start and forty members at the finish, and i'm you know i'm proud to say that everyone was part of what went on. +was that, was that er on the basis of your acting c collectively as a as a lodge or was it again was it shop stewards who acted ? +no, no i ever every decision was taken at the lodge, the shop stewards didn't run the strike between them and just inform us after every decision was taken by all fifty members at the start and forty members at the finish, and i'm you know i'm proud to say that everyone was part of what went on. and it wasn't just a few people leading others whichever way they felt was necessary. you know sure there were committees to manage either financial affairs, or various other bits and pieces that went on, but even then decisions they took were taken to the lodge to be voted on. so in a sense, everything that went on was was erm fully exposed in a sense, everyone @@ -67929,14 +67869,14 @@ knew what was going on? i mean everybody knew what was going on, they might have had their own interpretations of what they'd been told, but that happens, and as i said you know, every decision was voted on by the full lodge of the three quarries. you know, the decision whether we were gonna go back to work because of these threatening letters was taken by the forty well fifty members of the lodge, so in effect i was sacked by people who had since returned to work, but you know that's how it should be. was there any feeling when these letters were received that they were to be taken seriously or they were in fact a bluff? -erm, i think the wording of the letters was -oh i was in repudiation of my contract well i dunno what what it means to repude some things,you know i jumped to get a dictionary and found out, but i really don't know what my contract was because i don't think we ever had any. +erm, i think the wording of the letters was +oh i was in repudiation of my contract well i dunno what what it means to repude some things,you know i jumped to get a dictionary and found out, but i really don't know what my contract was because i don't think we ever had any. but you know, certainly the way the letters had been written, and the fact that they became by recorded delivery, you know if it was a bluff, it was, certainly fooled me. what did you decide er as a as a lodge whe when these letters were received? to be honest i wasn't there, i was down at my sister's wedding. -but from what i gathered erm yeah we were gonna carry on, we weren't gonna be forced back to work, cos had we gone back under their conditions, then god only knows what i'd be earning now. +but from what i gathered erm yeah we were gonna carry on, we weren't gonna be forced back to work, cos had we gone back under their conditions, then god only knows what i'd be earning now. you know about twenty pound a week i suppose or something stupid. -when er when the co when the strike began to get into into top gear, can you give me any idea of how as a lodge you were organized er picket duty? +when er when the co when the strike began to get into into top gear, can you give me any idea of how as a lodge you were organized er picket duty? right. when when the strike first started, being in the summer months we needed quite a strong picket line to talk to the tourists, at various gates cos that was the main source of income at the quarry at that time. after the tourist season finished, and various cars were either written off or collapsed or whatever, you know whoever had a car was put forward as the picket you know er the leader of that picket er shift, and then it was just a question of working round. @@ -67948,18 +67888,18 @@ had you never er prior to this, had you ne had any experience of er none at all. none at all? none at all. -what was it like the during the first times y you went on the ? -it was it was fun when we first started, because the weather was nice, you know it was er you c take a thermos up and have a picnic and sit in the chair and read a book or whatever if there was no one around, but after a while when it became a duty, yeah it was hard work getting up on a winter's morning, knowing full well that you probably wouldn't see any cars if you down in until about ten in the morning, but you still had to be there at seven o'clock, and honking it down with rain or whatever. +what was it like the during the first times y you went on the ? +it was it was fun when we first started, because the weather was nice, you know it was er you c take a thermos up and have a picnic and sit in the chair and read a book or whatever if there was no one around, but after a while when it became a duty, yeah it was hard work getting up on a winter's morning, knowing full well that you probably wouldn't see any cars if you down in until about ten in the morning, but you still had to be there at seven o'clock, and honking it down with rain or whatever. no it was it was hard work after then. in the erm in the early days, how did you how did you approach the people who were coming up up to the gate? i think from what i've heard, every shift had its own little methods of trying to turn people away or advising them not to come in. certainly we just told them what the problem was, told them that there was ever such a nice quarry further down the road if they wanted to visit a slate quarry. -and for that i think are very thankful. +and for that i think are very thankful. . and er we were truthful, we tried to put our side of the argument, you know there were the few people who said, well i don't really care, and drove in. well you know, you win some you lose some. but every shift had its own methods. and i won't say any more than that. -you you mentioned that er after the time presumably when the the winter began to come on, erm became more of a an obligation how did you keep motivated to turn up? +you you mentioned that er after the time presumably when the the winter began to come on, erm became more of a an obligation how did you keep motivated to turn up? i think it was just the thought that if one shift didn't turn up or if people stopped turning up, then others wouldn't turn up and it'd just escalate until everyone was just sitting at home in front of the fire and the quarries would function as normal, and the fact, well certainly with me, i thought well we have to make an appearance to show people that we are still on strike and keep, you know everyone who drives past us will be saying, ah hello what's up with them? they'll be reading about it in the paper then, trying to find out, spreading the word, and you know every every time someone drove past the picket line, there was a bit of bad publicity for the quarries and helpful for us. d d do you think your perspective was a commonly held one? @@ -67967,22 +67907,22 @@ no there were others who thought, sod it i'm not gonna turn up, you know, why sh and i don't know, certainly the shift i was with were very loyal, always turned up and you know we ne we never had any problems. there were other shifts where various people after a while dropped out. but you know i think certainly the shift i was with you know i er i was impressed. -the ones who erm who stuck it the ones who were always there, who always turned up, was there anything about them wh which could which could er er identify them as as people who were, was it age or ? -no no i think there were all sorts, all ages, i i think just maybe some were more dedicated to the job and th certainly after a couple of weeks it wasn't family if you like you know, family in inverted commas, there . +the ones who erm who stuck it the ones who were always there, who always turned up, was there anything about them wh which could which could er er identify them as as people who were, was it age or ? +no no i think there were all sorts, all ages, i i think just maybe some were more dedicated to the job and th certainly after a couple of weeks it wasn't family if you like you know, family in inverted commas, there . no i think just dedication and we, if we made an appearance maybe something would come to a head, things would get sorted, if we just said forget it then stay at home, then the quarry managers would say right forget it, we'll get another workforce in, you know it was, i think it was just i think some were dedicated to the job and sort of gave it their best, whereas others were slightly you know, willy nilly about it and well i'll turn up today cos it the weather looks nice, or i'll turn up today because the wife isn't off and or the gas has run out or whatever. -ha during this erm this period what sort of business was being transacted in the lodge? +ha during this erm this period what sort of business was being transacted in the lodge? erm well certainly tom would come up every every week, tell us what had happened, if anything. unfortunately most weeks nothing had happened. and quite often it er degenerated into an argument about picket duties. and the fact that quite a lot of people hadn't turned up on a certain day or that sort of thing. no i think it was just, certainly tom tried to lift us or because over the winter months when nothing was happening negotiations-wise, you know he knew if he didn't lift us then nothing would and everyone would get so disheartened they'd just say oh sod it and back to work or forget it and what have you. -so er bu business-wise i don't think much went on but he's more of an uplifting experience -was his er presence would you interpret his his presence as being fair fairly crucial for the continuing of the strike? +so er bu business-wise i don't think much went on but he's more of an uplifting experience +was his er presence would you interpret his his presence as being fair fairly crucial for the continuing of the strike? whichever way i answer this erm it's gonna be . i think certainly we had to have a figurehead to relate to and in my opinion, tom was the best one to have there. -you know when his boss came in then things went downhill but yeah certainly tom helped me and just the fact that there was someone there who knew exactly what was going on, be it not a lot but, he was trying to help us, and give us advice and what have you. +you know when his boss came in then things went downhill but yeah certainly tom helped me and just the fact that there was someone there who knew exactly what was going on, be it not a lot but, he was trying to help us, and give us advice and what have you. you know i think he was fairly crucial to keep us all together. -are you more say on a more personal level, was it at all obvious during the lodge meetings that people who were out people were out, were under pressure to go back? +are you more say on a more personal level, was it at all obvious during the lodge meetings that people who were out people were out, were under pressure to go back? erm, i think at the back of some people's minds there was this pressure, you know that's why a few did return to work and i mean i can understand some of them returning to work but not necessarily for the reasons they've stated. erm i think they probably thought their jobs were at threat or the continuation of employment in their quarry and the quarry would shut down which manage management had certainly hinted at, yet which i considered to be a bluff, because no one 's gonna kill the goose that lays the golden egg. but in a lot of people's minds, no i don't think there was that you know that threat . @@ -67997,13 +67937,13 @@ you know he was always saying, well next week things might get better. so stick together lads just for another week, whatever we we do, if we go back to work or if we stay out, it'll be because of a unanimous vote or a majority vote in this lodge, you know w we came out together, we'll go back together or we'll stay out together. he didn't want to lose people by the wayside you know and i think that was the feeling of most of us. and that's what upset us most about these people going back to work, the fact that a meeting had been taken a few months before in which everybody had voted for us to get the sack, and then all of a sudden they had been threatened and no vote was taken on whether we should stay out or go back, and they just dribbled back to , that really knocked us i think. -the ones who +the ones who eventually return to work, were they in any sense identifiable as a a group? yeah i think they had their own little meetings in various pubs or whatever after our meetings, and certainly the management in one of the quarries seemed to have a lot of information about what went on in our lodge meetings because of various members of this clique,i think we were all fairly sure that they would be returning to work, it was just when that was the crunch. what was the feeling in the lodge when it eventually happened. erm, we weren't too impressed er to put it mildly. but on the other hand we thought i suppose oh good riddance you know er rather than have a few er namby-pamby people you know sitting on the fence, we might be better off without them. -but i think the number that went back, you know because of the small workforce the fact that eight or nine returned to work, you know that was virtually half the workforce in one quarry, it made it quite awkward then. +but i think the number that went back, you know because of the small workforce the fact that eight or nine returned to work, you know that was virtually half the workforce in one quarry, it made it quite awkward then. d did you decide er either formally or informally, to take a particular attitude towards the ones that had gone back? i think everyone's got their own ways of dealing with them, you know certainly some people ignore them, you know i prefer to ignore them rather than taunt them, er possibly because i wasn't really friendly with any of them that did go back, i think people who were close friends have found it very awkward and i know even now they're probably looking daggers at each other you know, that sort of thing. it certainly the community a bit because of them. @@ -68017,19 +67957,19 @@ no i think we still thought we had a chance. you mentioned about erm not being starved back to work. erm which brings in the . oh yeah, brilliant. -when first started, can you can you what you what you felt about it, what you thought it was going to do? +when first started, can you can you what you what you felt about it, what you thought it was going to do? well, i think some of the women and a lot of the men thought right well we'll just keep it you know between the men, it's our problem, we'll get it sorted. after a while we realized you know that's not on, it's impossible for us to sort this out you know we need help. i think the wives found it to their benefit to get amongst other wives who were sharing the same problems you know, how to pay the bills, how to buy food, and i think they seemed to get organized pretty well, they certainly helped us a hell of a lot. you know without the women's support group especially and without other support you know, we would've been starved back to work. -was there any sense in which a there was a surprise at the reaction of the w women, that they first of all became very organized and were very organized and determined, so determined? +was there any sense in which a there was a surprise at the reaction of the w women, that they first of all became very organized and were very organized and determined, so determined? well a at the start of the strike, my wife was just a little bit narked that i was out of work, but after a while when she fully understood the reasons, i think, i'd like to think that she was a hundred per cent behind me and the rest of us. and certainly by what she did with the women's support group i think she was. and cer the determination of the women, that we weren't gonna be starved back to work, we weren't gonna be forced back to work, we weren't just gonna end in chaos and some of us going back and some of us staying out, i think it was the women possibly talking to their husbands or, and just reassuring each other, you know that helped us no end. -has erm as a lodge, did did you anything from the sort of organization the women had? +has erm as a lodge, did did you anything from the sort of organization the women had? oh yeah. i mean they outclassed us no question,no two ways about it , i dunno what it is. -i hate to admit it in fact but er, no the way they got things organized, got lecture tours, rallies and what have you together, you know i think er taught us an incredible amount . +i hate to admit it in fact but er, no the way they got things organized, got lecture tours, rallies and what have you together, you know i think er taught us an incredible amount . have you have you got any er idea of how i it came about that a group was so organized? i think possibly because there were outsiders in the group, i dunno. possibly because some of them might've been councillors and knew the ways that sort of er things went on and how to get things done officially and above board. @@ -68037,15 +67977,15 @@ you know we were all amateurs at the game, the workers, but some of the women yo i think possibly because women are slightly more organized and what have you. you know they're used to a household budget and they know how to manage on however x many pounds a week. and if you take half of that away you know they know how to manage on that as well, somehow. -do you think that realization had had s hadn't surfaced until that? +do you think that realization had had s hadn't surfaced until that? i never knew my wife was such a little get up and goer if you like. erm never knew she could write such good lectures or speeches. you know she's been hiding her light under a bushel, a bush. -has any is there way in which you from your observation there,you the erm there's been a in in the relationship between the men and the and the women involved involved as a consequence of er this kind of activity? +has any is there way in which you from your observation there,you the erm there's been a in in the relationship between the men and the and the women involved involved as a consequence of er this kind of activity? well i do i don't know really but er certainly i i probably discuss work a lot more with my wife now than before, and let her know what's get going on there. and probably other people do as well. you know because, i think we all thought it was our problem, we can sort it out. -you know, typical male attitude you know, women no help at all. +you know, typical male attitude you know, women no help at all. and after a while you know it was without the women we would've been you know nothing. what what was the sort of erm help what did er did you observe was was given from the support group? i think just the fact that my wife knew what was going on, and knew the problems exactly you know, they had their own meetings and the food parcels that they could organize, you know i wouldn't have a clue how to go about it, the fact that various shops refused to have collection points inside, and they wrote off to the management of these shops and got that changed. @@ -68071,8 +68011,8 @@ i don't know, just generally respect for the workforce. but this er w this this feeling of erm not being respected,w do you think in that was in any sense a an important motivation for just sticking it out amongst the older men? erm i think they knew that if we went back under his conditions, their days would be numbered certainly. you know he'd far prefer to have two or three youngsters earning considerably less, who absolutely nothing about the industry than one slightly older, certainly vastly more experienced man and you know paying him more. -you know he'd far prefer to have the cheap workforce that you could tell exactly and appear to know what he's talking about, whereas the older men knew that he knew absolutely nothing . -was there any sense of surprise really that as the quarrier was were welshmen and most of the workforce were welshmen that in fact things would come to some sort of agreement, that there wouldn't be this kind of +you know he'd far prefer to have the cheap workforce that you could tell exactly and appear to know what he's talking about, whereas the older men knew that he knew absolutely nothing . +was there any sense of surprise really that as the quarrier was were welshmen and most of the workforce were welshmen that in fact things would come to some sort of agreement, that there wouldn't be this kind of as an outsider , probably being the only englishman in the quarries, you know i i think they were surprised, the fact that it was a local family, i think that's what really rubbed them up the wrong way. er they'd been to chapel with them, been to school with them, worked in other places with them, and it ended like it did. you know that that did surprise a lot of them. @@ -68080,14 +68020,14 @@ but i don't know quite how the welsh mentality works you know as regards you kno do you think it w in any sense has damaged the community? oh yeah, it certainly has. without a question. -no erm er even now, and the the strike's been finished i can't remember four months or something, three months, you know the community i think it'll take a a hell of a long time to heal the rifts and mend the scars. +no erm er even now, and the the strike's been finished i can't remember four months or something, three months, you know the community i think it'll take a a hell of a long time to heal the rifts and mend the scars. possibly caused by people returning to work, i think those are the ones that really opened up the community and dropped people on either side of the fence as opposed to sitting on top of it. do you think y er you and your your mates who were out, do you think you learnt anything from the strike? erm, well yeah i've learnt that my wife is more use than just in the kitchen. no i think, all of a sudden you l you realize why you're in a trade union and why you need the press and the media to help you, you know you can't just ignore them. and also why you've got to talk to people, you know get your problems out in the open rather than let them build up and all of a sudden just say right,that's it, out the gates, or down tools. and i think you know the management ought to learn, hopefully they will learn a bit by that as well. -you i infer from that you er s you saying that if the same thing this is this is that if the same thing were to occur again your approach would be and you'd be more more of a strategist in the handling of it. +you i infer from that you er s you saying that if the same thing this is this is that if the same thing were to occur again your approach would be and you'd be more more of a strategist in the handling of it. oh yeah, yeah. i mean second time around you know what's gonna go on. mm. @@ -68099,38 +68039,37 @@ oh yeah, yeah. just chatting with some of my mates, you know, oh it'll be over in a couple of weeks. that was always the way we thought. but that was not to be. -was there any sp special way in which you contributed to the in the strike, any particular skills you were called upon to . +was there any sp special way in which you contributed to the in the strike, any particular skills you were called upon to . well, everyone seemed to think that i knew what i was doing with a computer, so the shifts, the picket shifts were left up to me, any facts and figures needed, databases,addresses were left up to me. any printouts and things. but no i think er they thought i could speak english better than some of them themselves so they sent me off to english universities or wherever to put across our problems. - the computer reads the message and goes up . there's not even a human being in the warehouse involved. so that it can all it's all it's all assembled by load by computer now. so what alastair's saying is information technology er gives us the opportunity to give you information down er a telephone line. -and our despatcher hardware er the disk can either. -if they've got their own computer which is i b m compatible we just give them the disk because it's programmed that the despatcher not the hardware. +and our despatcher hardware er the disk can either. +if they've got their own computer which is i b m compatible we just give them the disk because it's programmed that the despatcher not the hardware. it's the software that is the despatcher. -but if they've got their software hardware well it's the hardware as well. +but if they've got their software hardware well it's the hardware as well. but really what it does it can either stand alone and print just be a printer put the data in and then . it's set up with your like your b m s it's got your database in. it's set up with all their comput . -somebody comes in and runs a separate form puts all their customer and all they're doing is when the orders change they just put the and it prints out notes and labels and if you've got hundreds of them it saves a job in time and money and the girl . -and what it also does is is as you call off the numbers if you've got . +somebody comes in and runs a separate form puts all their customer and all they're doing is when the orders change they just put the and it prints out notes and labels and if you've got hundreds of them it saves a job in time and money and the girl . +and what it also does is is as you call off the numbers if you've got . . -yes he's he's reading off er yes he's but that's printing off labels . +yes he's he's reading off er yes he's but that's printing off labels . but that is the same it's same thing though. it's a printer comput it's a p c that's all it is and that's what the despatch. you know if you've got a p c you can use our despatcher system. you can tie the . that's what the hardware is. -the programme is the despatcher and it will just be and if you source your. +the programme is the despatcher and it will just be and if you source your. you've got a sales code haven't you? d'ya know what the sales code does on your b m s? that's right. is this yours alison? -yes and if alison three seven five a thousand number you've scored one five. -and every time she +yes and if alison three seven five a thousand number you've scored one five. +and every time she pardon? it will tell you what you're what you're responsible for. what can you give the managers about alison? @@ -68139,97 +68078,97 @@ how hard you working . if you put rubbish in you'll get rubbish out. you know. a database is only as good as how well it's managed. -i mean it's not really data system that's it's the way it's being used. +i mean it's not really data system that's it's the way it's being used. and it's the same . -a projection you know a warehouse order erm stock and order situation, if you've got a and they've got people by source number, they can see how much is being used by you. -so the despatcher can help with your stock control help in a warehouse situation. +a projection you know a warehouse order erm stock and order situation, if you've got a and they've got people by source number, they can see how much is being used by you. +so the despatcher can help with your stock control help in a warehouse situation. help you reduce your labour on the just with ordinary notes and labels on volume. reduce error. -it's clea quick and it can link directly to our computer if you want . -so is this just with a few major accounts or +it's clea quick and it can link directly to our computer if you want . +so is this just with a few major accounts or erm have prospect accounts that we need to deal with? fifty weeks you know fifty weeks only ten a day is it worth putting a database in for only ten labels . but low on that one. you need to be talking a hundred a day really. -you need to be talking you need to be talking how long when you were writing out labels. +you need to be talking you need to be talking how long when you were writing out labels. girl that would actually write out all the notes . we haven't got one but she'd like to . can't get them to print it haven't got a printer. that's not my decision now. -what i want what i'm trying to get to is the despatcher is an eye and it's far in advance to but i've had . +what i want what i'm trying to get to is the despatcher is an eye and it's far in advance to but i've had . sorry sarah? -they have specially network no not just you. -there's a team of people who are specially keeping abreast of the technology and they are by paul who heads the erm network operations. +they have specially network no not just you. +there's a team of people who are specially keeping abreast of the technology and they are by paul who heads the erm network operations. because it's an operational function really isn't it? and they set it up. -something like they actually set it up even though erm on behalf of the salesmen. +something like they actually set it up even though erm on behalf of the salesmen. what the demand and supply situation i don't know how we stand on that. -but erm obviously because of the customers it does not always it will certainly come now we've got this technology but they haven't got the software package. -the software package i mean sometimes it comes with the deal we don't charge extra. -we feel price of it you know. +but erm obviously because of the customers it does not always it will certainly come now we've got this technology but they haven't got the software package. +the software package i mean sometimes it comes with the deal we don't charge extra. +we feel price of it you know. and er . and how would you identify you were arranging an ex sales form right. -i how you gonna find out whether it's a or have they got stock control problems or they need management . +i how you gonna find out whether it's a or have they got stock control problems or they need management . how would you . -now would you would you how would you would you talk about or how would you you know do that sort of job . -i'd introduce and then i'd . -when you say you want to speak to somebody despatch, would you ask for the despatch manager or the territory manager or +now would you would you how would you would you talk about or how would you you know do that sort of job . +i'd introduce and then i'd . +when you say you want to speak to somebody despatch, would you ask for the despatch manager or the territory manager or no that's right. all you're giving out is information at this point in time. they can't make a decision to change but they can give you the information that we need to bring forward. -and if you do approach a company this is an enquiry i need to speak to your you know who's responsible for erm raising documents in the postal region. +and if you do approach a company this is an enquiry i need to speak to your you know who's responsible for erm raising documents in the postal region. who's responsible for raising documents in the despatch department. -or who's responsible for erm received or going out. -erm you actually you know you don't have to say i'm . -you just equate to save you time and effort and hard work and going home just feel like this. -feeling like you know your life. +or who's responsible for erm received or going out. +erm you actually you know you don't have to say i'm . +you just equate to save you time and effort and hard work and going home just feel like this. +feeling like you know your life. associate that with you if you feel . -that means change learn loads of paperwork to sort out. +that means change learn loads of paperwork to sort out. that's what we think when you say . asking questions asking questions . all right marion ? yeah. -you know really weighted down with something that's really bothering you. -because you don't think that you really are through the motion. -at least when you think about you start to sound like you that's the problem with the job. -is you've gotta be like that show in the west end where it's gonna feel like the first time . -erm what i'm trying to get is you've got to start backing up from the sale er the objective of that call is not to close the sale. +you know really weighted down with something that's really bothering you. +because you don't think that you really are through the motion. +at least when you think about you start to sound like you that's the problem with the job. +is you've gotta be like that show in the west end where it's gonna feel like the first time . +erm what i'm trying to get is you've got to start backing up from the sale er the objective of that call is not to close the sale. is not to handle objections. is not to persuade them to change on that call. is to gather information. -alison i understand you're the person who has to drive information on . +alison i understand you're the person who has to drive information on . so you're the one who really has to do er if the if the system doesn't suit you or if the system's hard work if you have problems . -i mean interesting because i've never actually done the job that you're doing. -how these names . +i mean interesting because i've never actually done the job that you're doing. +how these names . and that's the sort of question. -d'ya have you know what's it in connection with. -why are you hard work. -and i don't know if for you . +d'ya have you know what's it in connection with. +why are you hard work. +and i don't know if for you . and you know what i mean? if if people wanna know all you the benefit is saving half saving energy. -you know you the hard work. -it's no use talking about cost savings to the girl interested in how much it costs. -he just wants to go home or having a job and the despatcher needs to be established with the person who's actually gonna use it. +you know you the hard work. +it's no use talking about cost savings to the girl interested in how much it costs. +he just wants to go home or having a job and the despatcher needs to be established with the person who's actually gonna use it. and get her backing or his backing. -if that's something you want us to is it something you would that be an advantage to you. +if that's something you want us to is it something you would that be an advantage to you. speak to about this . rather than you selling it to the boss and then all the trouble . -you've gotta the right person . -i'm gonna stop there but what has it we could spend all day and all tomorrow talking about detailed and knowledge. -but what i'll try and ask you to do is your service level is not just four nights four noons four despatch you know it's not just that. +you've gotta the right person . +i'm gonna stop there but what has it we could spend all day and all tomorrow talking about detailed and knowledge. +but what i'll try and ask you to do is your service level is not just four nights four noons four despatch you know it's not just that. it's the it's the detail of it. you need to know closely the detail. let's just run through a couple of the points. -just tell me what you've got on your list there that erm people have said . -that was another one just of warrington despatch. +just tell me what you've got on your list there that erm people have said . +that was another one just of warrington despatch. that's a good one. that's what . belfast is in northern ireland part of the u k right? now when you are i want to talk to you about doing a sales call. but before you do you've got to look at the material in the working file. -look back internally and now we've gotta talk about communication to your question survey. +look back internally and now we've gotta talk about communication to your question survey. how do we breach what you do and how d'ya get there. will you what method do you use to to talk to our questioner? what's the . @@ -68245,8 +68184,8 @@ and d'ya have a lot of ? yeah. yes? those are the those are the main ones. -can you do me a little exercise first just to er write down write down what erm of what we're trying to reveal. -imagine now communication i'm talking about not only through letter and telephone i'm talking about total communication. +can you do me a little exercise first just to er write down write down what erm of what we're trying to reveal. +imagine now communication i'm talking about not only through letter and telephone i'm talking about total communication. if you were now talking to each other tonight round the table in the restaurant or at the bar in the hotel okay. you're you're telling you're communicating with each other. if i said to you the communication right these are the methods that this is what actually communication is. @@ -68254,9 +68193,9 @@ if i said some of it isn't made from the words or the message some of it is made and some of it is made from body language. d'ya know what i mean by body language? can you give me an example of your body language? -pick up the phone and smile. +pick up the phone and smile. no well that's not body language because he can't see you can he? -all with a smile is tone of voice. +all with a smile is tone of voice. yes would you agree? what is body language. you're staying you're in a hotel now tonight and you're talking what is body language? @@ -68264,7 +68203,7 @@ i mean the way that you sit. the way that you sit. sitting like that right. -you're more likely to be +you're more likely to be that's right. obviously you know when you've been sitting still this is probably the worse hour of the day . you've been fed and watered just like a new baby. @@ -68274,7 +68213,7 @@ and your body language tells me. it tells me the way you look you know. now all of a sudden i change the subject and look the way you're all sitting forward. that tells me -you can from your body language what you're doing. +you can from your body language what you're doing. your eye contact with me is body language. we can we understand each other we're reading each other 's messages. you're nodding occasionally when you agree with me. @@ -68294,9 +68233,9 @@ yes. a total communication situation where you've got you might you've got use of body language you've got use of language you've got use of tone of voice and you're making you're getting the message across. how important is those three components and what value would you put on them. and i'll just compare what each of you say and i'm going to give you some information er researched by . -although erm we haven't we're running short of these papers but it's the same figures . +although erm we haven't we're running short of these papers but it's the same figures . sarah what was yours? -well i've put erm message +well i've put erm message yes. er tone of voice fifty percent. yes. @@ -68338,33 +68277,33 @@ tone of voice thirty. yes. and body language fifty. right. -and marion. +and marion. words forty. tone forty and body language twenty. right. so you've got some differing opinions there haven't you? -some of you some of you heavy in bodies. +some of you some of you heavy in bodies. and er you're heavy in tone here. some of you are look at er relatively high words. -research that where they're looking at how to convey the message from advancing and sales and people getting erm interviews getting into jobs what they say what they how they stand even how they've looked and so on. -they reckon that erm thirty eight percent is how you say it. -fifty five percent is how you communicate through what sort of . -but they reckon proportion and we when . -well i'm not researcher i couldn't say how they do it but it's done it was done from their recruitment and marketing sales . -and they put on every consultant through out training course they got i think we've made i think we've got sixty five . +research that where they're looking at how to convey the message from advancing and sales and people getting erm interviews getting into jobs what they say what they how they stand even how they've looked and so on. +they reckon that erm thirty eight percent is how you say it. +fifty five percent is how you communicate through what sort of . +but they reckon proportion and we when . +well i'm not researcher i couldn't say how they do it but it's done it was done from their recruitment and marketing sales . +and they put on every consultant through out training course they got i think we've made i think we've got sixty five . but they reckon when they did obviously it's a set that probably someone had to say the same thing doing or the same person went through so many functions and it was worked using different ways of saying . -so why i said to you on the telephone as you say it's not what you say it's the way you say it. -what as as i said to you twenty percent of the messages a word sounds the same . +so why i said to you on the telephone as you say it's not what you say it's the way you say it. +what as as i said to you twenty percent of the messages a word sounds the same . there's quite a few letters and therefore words sound the same . -and again destinations er t n t. +and again destinations er t n t. t n t no no if you're not careful . -i wanna tell you the way the word perhaps the one where . -it would be normal well it must be what i've said. -i want you to do something now which is a little on the same talking about how we . -and i'm going to write other and i'm going to ask you to put a different emphasis on different words to change the meaning. +i wanna tell you the way the word perhaps the one where . +it would be normal well it must be what i've said. +i want you to do something now which is a little on the same talking about how we . +and i'm going to write other and i'm going to ask you to put a different emphasis on different words to change the meaning. okay . -say that for me and go i'd say it were you were a snob. +say that for me and go i'd say it were you were a snob. say it as though in a snobby way for me. would anybody else like to have a go at that?more snobby than . i mean really do it you know. @@ -68374,7 +68313,7 @@ all the best. we're all the best. you're putting . you're saying erm as if to say, melanie you got the message across but by by excluding you you lot she said all the best people . -in other words if you don't you're not the best people. +in other words if you don't you're not the best people. the way lynne said it is where all the all the best people. she's not saying er she she she wanted an emphasis on the word best but you've got the same . right. @@ -68398,7 +68337,7 @@ you want to check information is correct. what . say it thought you're not sure whether it's cedar grove or it could be somewhere else cedar something else. how would you say it then? -go on a bit louder. +go on a bit louder. that's right. see how she inflects on a word? cedar grove. @@ -68422,7 +68361,7 @@ if you said cedar grove is where cedar grove is where the best people live. that's right. you know if you can just actually repeat it back. and people do that to you don't they? -you say something they say er, oh erm i was paid i was paid today. +you say something they say er, oh erm i was paid i was paid today. oh you were paid today? don't they? but they mean something entirely different but they say the same words. @@ -68445,54 +68384,54 @@ they you know we create confusion because it it allows us to have control. and we . you know the tone of the voice could completely waylay you know lay lay completely your fear of being told off by the by the pleasant tone in your voice. yes. -it might be a meeting not a telephone . +it might be a meeting not a telephone . might might be a constructive thing an informative thing. -what er do you ever have people you know perhaps people who are close erm dear to you who use certain language that you find erm er either or do you use methods which say getting your point across to people that . -well i do me and jonathan erm they don't like me er read all his books . -when i talk and the news is on john will always it really annoys him. +what er do you ever have people you know perhaps people who are close erm dear to you who use certain language that you find erm er either or do you use methods which say getting your point across to people that . +well i do me and jonathan erm they don't like me er read all his books . +when i talk and the news is on john will always it really annoys him. that's it you do want that's all that's all body language -doesn't even speak +doesn't even speak no you don't have to. just looks and i just non verbal communication. yes. non verbal that's why i know you think about body language but think of all the times things like that happen where the body language speaks it you know. a raising of i have a brother who raises his eyebrows -he he doesn't raise his voice he just looks just or +he he doesn't raise his voice he just looks just or what about the way they say, have a nice day. sarcastic thank you for . -like kath kath er trust me i'm a doctor. +like kath kath er trust me i'm a doctor. or are you on drugs. i mean we use language don't we? we say one thing and mean mean something else. and we're quite good at being sarcastic. -women are really expert at it. +women are really expert at it. we've got it. because you have to be cutting with the verbal. because you can't wallop them round the head can you? you've got to be a bit more er intelligent when . -if you justified me coming on you know you can you can be a bit more you're being a bit more erm what's the word cerebral aren't you. +if you justified me coming on you know you can you can be a bit more you're being a bit more erm what's the word cerebral aren't you. you're thinking more than doing and er wit you know sarcasm they say is the lowest form of wit but actually sarcasm probably is wit. -some people think you know really be testing er with language and mean something entirely different. -i mean sometimes do it very cleverly but what i'm saying is i want to illustrate what i meant by the words never used message. +some people think you know really be testing er with language and mean something entirely different. +i mean sometimes do it very cleverly but what i'm saying is i want to illustrate what i meant by the words never used message. you know when we using the telephone method of communication what d'ya think why d'ya think we we we're employed with the company. -why d'ya decided to give some contact . +why d'ya decided to give some contact . yes. i would say that plus qualities there's a good network . -but that's why telephone sales because telephone and the to us and to them you know. -at one time we said it was you know rewarded on the edge of technology when they like most things you know. +but that's why telephone sales because telephone and the to us and to them you know. +at one time we said it was you know rewarded on the edge of technology when they like most things you know. your brother probably paid a week's . some people can get . -at one time a we'd pay a year's salary or two year's salary. -now we can get something that would be half affordable . -but cost to us if you paid you know pay for girls and also the procedure to er use the service is is much better now. -i i can write it but when i is what quick? +at one time a we'd pay a year's salary or two year's salary. +now we can get something that would be half affordable . +but cost to us if you paid you know pay for girls and also the procedure to er use the service is is much better now. +i i can write it but when i is what quick? quick. yes you think it's people expect it to be quick don't they? you don't make the public phone . -very cost what i'm saying is it's quick erm people expect to do it it's something oh if they're writing instead of going round i'll pick up the phone and do it. +very cost what i'm saying is it's quick erm people expect to do it it's something oh if they're writing instead of going round i'll pick up the phone and do it. it's er an instant method. so they expect it to be quick. anything else? @@ -68501,36 +68440,36 @@ in our job yeah why we would choose it. that's erm it's two way obviously. i mean if you're writing to someone er and it's instant that's a good point. -but then if you prefer it to writing they'll postal strike you you know you hope . -and in fact the like a mailshot one forty percent on something. +but then if you prefer it to writing they'll postal strike you you know you hope . +and in fact the like a mailshot one forty percent on something. whereas contacts on the phone would probably be more er effective. -and i think it puts you at their as well. -because most people have a lot of area it isn't like someone reception i've got a phone call for you. -now when you're often they phone up and say, there's someone here to see you. +and i think it puts you at their as well. +because most people have a lot of area it isn't like someone reception i've got a phone call for you. +now when you're often they phone up and say, there's someone here to see you. and . they actually have to come and meet the person fact to face. -they get post land on their desk. +they get post land on their desk. but they haven't got the instant feedback. -a you have to actually you know make arrangements. +a you have to actually you know make arrangements. but you're actually at their desk right you know i'm here really. you know it's a good method to get to know detail . d'ya think? mm. -d'ya think it's harder to talk to the person you can't get . +d'ya think it's harder to talk to the person you can't get . i think it's easier to get them when you're on the phone. -like you said you can't see the body language and fobbed off . +like you said you can't see the body language and fobbed off . now now i agree with you there. -i think it's easier to get through but it's harder to hold +i think it's easier to get through but it's harder to hold yes. -people get confused then they think, oh when something i've got to and i've to read all those messages a lack of rapport really isn't it? +people get confused then they think, oh when something i've got to and i've to read all those messages a lack of rapport really isn't it? you're saying it's not not it isn't impossible but it's harder to generate a warmth over the phone isn't it? we have to act more that's right. and sometimes it's too quick yes? it's too quick for what we want to try and do. -because we never okay then thank you we'll call you +because we never okay then thank you we'll call you that's right. -no and that means erm you're blindfold really aren't you? +no and that means erm you're blindfold really aren't you? if you've lost your way on the phone . so there's a it's it's got . anything else . @@ -68538,20 +68477,20 @@ what don't you like that . the fact that people do get a lot of . right. so yes. -so -that's you say that's . +so +that's you say that's . yeah. i think that you know a lot of people are sort of. you think too many calls. -i would say that's interpreted as easier to or easier dismissed. -would you say er it's important because easily dismissed. +i would say that's interpreted as easier to or easier dismissed. +would you say er it's important because easily dismissed. and you know i've had a lot of people say to me, oh is it just a sales call? yes. -is that the telephone's fault d'ya think or is that fault i mean salesman coming in as well. -i mean a lot of times you know i think just phone up and say, is mister so and so there and then guard themselves t n t delivery. -oh he says a sales you know . +is that the telephone's fault d'ya think or is that fault i mean salesman coming in as well. +i mean a lot of times you know i think just phone up and say, is mister so and so there and then guard themselves t n t delivery. +oh he says a sales you know . yeah. -he because it's +he because it's yeah. . d'ya think that could happen to you face to face as well though lynne? @@ -68561,20 +68500,20 @@ yeah. i don't i don't think it's too much to do with the telephone. i think probably the saying aspect rather than telephone aspect . but i accept what you saying. -sometimes it's because it's so many people that are using this method that the importance of what you're trying to say tends to be dismissed and therefore . +sometimes it's because it's so many people that are using this method that the importance of what you're trying to say tends to be dismissed and therefore . sales means you're going to tell me you're going to persuade me to do something i don't want to do. -i think and then we can pass them off then . +i think and then we can pass them off then . yeah? mm. -that's when they when they calls for selling. -yes help line. +that's when they when they calls for selling. +yes help line. the help line aspect of it yes? yeah . yeah yeah. that's good for us then isn't it? yes? he's interrupting. -i think it can also be i think have you never +i think it can also be i think have you never well i have to do he says i don't want anybody to see me. cos he is this real . @@ -68584,44 +68523,44 @@ i like the radio plays and i like erm er stories and you know book at bedtime an i was reading a book . have you ever read a book and oh yes. -the illusion going completely and erm my imagination is much better is much more erm and music is very erm inspiring for your imagination. -i always remember i had tommy ken russell and he'd been on . +the illusion going completely and erm my imagination is much better is much more erm and music is very erm inspiring for your imagination. +i always remember i had tommy ken russell and he'd been on . we both know the music very very well and the album . -i mean nothing could catch my imagination fantasy. -well where you get where you get reporting from foreign you know station . -and i agree with trusting you can you know the reality you what you're bound to point. -you can't because people idealize and fantasize and you'll never ever even though you might be perfectly and somebody else's dream but you won't be everybody's dream so you're bound to disappoint. +i mean nothing could catch my imagination fantasy. +well where you get where you get reporting from foreign you know station . +and i agree with trusting you can you know the reality you what you're bound to point. +you can't because people idealize and fantasize and you'll never ever even though you might be perfectly and somebody else's dream but you won't be everybody's dream so you're bound to disappoint. or you'll leave it to the imagination. whereas your voice er is carrying all all sorts of wonderful . anything they want you to be you'll be you know. and that's really i think a distinct advantage. -just like we can create an image that we want. +just like we can create an image that we want. and i'll i'll do that and i'll . -but it's a compliment it's a compliment from the company saying we've got a looking people that we're quite that people can you know . -look what at the conference . +but it's a compliment it's a compliment from the company saying we've got a looking people that we're quite that people can you know . +look what at the conference . human bring a human face to people. -people like we're a photograph. -what i tomorrow and not here because they forward it on to us . -and they sent it to erm he sent it and he hadn't he hadn't done . -he'd sent a photograph in and he was sitting in the garden and right and he was on a garden chair and he had his nice hair washed and shiny. -sitting in the like that smiling you know. -and he looked liked really just ready to get up and do his lovely fresh face you know. +people like we're a photograph. +what i tomorrow and not here because they forward it on to us . +and they sent it to erm he sent it and he hadn't he hadn't done . +he'd sent a photograph in and he was sitting in the garden and right and he was on a garden chair and he had his nice hair washed and shiny. +sitting in the like that smiling you know. +and he looked liked really just ready to get up and do his lovely fresh face you know. and he looked at the letter and he looked at that photograph and he thought, i can't . -and the photograph matched it sort of said i'm not the same you know what i mean?what he said. -and and it really made it really gave the edge to that you know and and someone and i thought . -i mean you know and and it the eagerness oozed off the picture on the page. +and the photograph matched it sort of said i'm not the same you know what i mean?what he said. +and and it really made it really gave the edge to that you know and and someone and i thought . +i mean you know and and it the eagerness oozed off the picture on the page. and i think it can come out of the voice as well. and erm i think what we've gotta do is you know . if the image is something you don't really think is going to do as much for you as the voice . older women have a deep voice and it actually can sound very attractive. and some people can change their . you know you can . -and er i think that helps and er they'll talk to each other you know . -and i have to talk to him on the phone and i'm saying speak to him very well. -met him for the first time i think and erm -i mean he's nice don't his wife doesn't you know . +and er i think that helps and er they'll talk to each other you know . +and i have to talk to him on the phone and i'm saying speak to him very well. +met him for the first time i think and erm +i mean he's nice don't his wife doesn't you know . but he has got this marvellous voice and he . -i think i thought they've got no ideas and then come on with this speaker and i was and i thought, ooh. +i think i thought they've got no ideas and then come on with this speaker and i was and i thought, ooh. and when i wasn't looking at it . so i mean friday is a very busy day i think next tuesday would be more suitable. @@ -68647,7 +68586,7 @@ no . yes. the mirror is dirty it is difficult to see anything clearly in it. what did i just say? -the mirror is dirty it is difficult to see anything clearly in it. +the mirror is dirty it is difficult to see anything clearly in it. thank you. listen. yes. @@ -68827,7 +68766,7 @@ i haven't seen your family for months. please remember me to your mother. i trust she is well. oh good god. -what did i just say ? +what did i just say ? i haven't seen your family for months. please remember me to your mother. i hope that she is well. @@ -68892,14 +68831,14 @@ my secretary will phone on tuesday to rearrange another appointment. what did i just say? i can't make the appointment. i really can't make the appointment. -my secretary will phone you on my secretary will call phone contact +my secretary will phone you on my secretary will call phone contact no. erm. listen. i really can't make the appointment. my secretary will phone on tuesday to rearrange another appointment. i really can't make the appointment. -my secretary will my secretary will phone on tuesday to rearrange another appointment. +my secretary will my secretary will phone on tuesday to rearrange another appointment. thank you. listen. this is difficult. @@ -68956,7 +68895,7 @@ no. yes my children do go to school and have been for some months now. sammy really enjoys it. what did i just say? -yes my children do go to school oh i was going to say, have been for some months now. +yes my children do go to school oh i was going to say, have been for some months now. sammy really enjoys it. thank you. listen. @@ -68982,7 +68921,7 @@ i wonder if you would like to come and visit some friends with me next weekend. they have a tennis court and a swimming pool. what did i just say? i wonder whether you would like to come and see some friends with me. -i wonder whether you would like i wonder if you would like to come and see some friends with me next weekend . +i wonder whether you would like i wonder if you would like to come and see some friends with me next weekend . i wonder if you would like to visit some friends with me next weekend. they have a tennis court and a swimming pool. thank you. @@ -68990,12 +68929,12 @@ listen. yes. he walked quickly down the road anxious not to be late for his appointment which could lead to an important contract. what did i just say? -he walked quickly down the road and then it was something about him not being late cos he had to a contract. +he walked quickly down the road and then it was something about him not being late cos he had to a contract. no. listen. he walked quickly down the road anxious not to be late for his appointment which would lead to an important contract. what did i just say? -he walked quickly down the road anxious that he was not late he walked quickly down the road anxious that anxious he anxious +he walked quickly down the road anxious that he was not late he walked quickly down the road anxious that anxious he anxious listen. he walked quickly down the road anxious not to be late for his appointment which could lead to an important contract. he walked quickly down the road anxious not to be late for his appointment. @@ -69019,10 +68958,10 @@ when she arrived at the airport she immediately checked in her baggage and made thank you. it looks like thank god for that. -but you could give me some it's so difficult. +but you could give me some it's so difficult. i know. you can give me some of the hard ones if you like. -when you he carefully folded the paper and put it in the desk on top of the blotter. +when you he carefully folded the paper and put it in the desk on top of the blotter. i remember can you repeat it please. yes. when he had finished reading he carefully folded the paper and put it in the desk on top of the blotter. @@ -69031,14 +68970,14 @@ no. when he had finished reading he carefully folded the paper and put it in the desk on top of the blotter. when he had finished reading it he folded it. -carefully folded the paper he folded the he carefully folded the paper and placed it in the desk on top of the blotter. +carefully folded the paper he folded the he carefully folded the paper and placed it in the desk on top of the blotter. no. when he had finished reading he carefully folded the paper and put it in the desk on top of the blotter. -when he had finished reading he carefully folded the paper and put it in the desk on top of the blotter. +when he had finished reading he carefully folded the paper and put it in the desk on top of the blotter. thank you. you're welcome. the road was bendy and twisty with large shady trees on either side forming a beautiful avenue. -the road was bendy and twisty forming which made it look beautiful. +the road was bendy and twisty forming which made it look beautiful. it was a beautiful avenue. i'm not very good at this at all. it is it's really difficult. @@ -69047,7 +68986,7 @@ i'm only memorizing one liners. go on. the road was bendy and twisty with large shady trees on either eith sorry i'll start again. the road was bendy and twisty with large shady trees on either side forming a beautiful avenue. -the road was bendy and twisty with shady trees with large shady trees either side forming a large +the road was bendy and twisty with shady trees with large shady trees either side forming a large a beautiful avenue. yes. right. @@ -69066,11 +69005,11 @@ before work and swam twenty lengths. can we stop you there. we don't want to be all night do we? we are gonna be all right. -okay let's get even though it's fantastically interesting but er erm let me just get a bit of feedback from. +okay let's get even though it's fantastically interesting but er erm let me just get a bit of feedback from. how did that feel? was it easy or oh a nightmare. -oh what did description. +oh what did description. yeah. what was difficult about it? let's just analyze a little bit what was difficult. @@ -69083,26 +69022,26 @@ so it's the amount of information yeah. too intense to listen. what d'ya mean by that karen? -well you sort of like say for instance erm we heard of recent burglary . -you are thinking burglary while she's saying, i'm . +well you sort of like say for instance erm we heard of recent burglary . +you are thinking burglary while she's saying, i'm . so all you can remember is you're obviously evaluating the message yeah. of the first thing and fixing that in your mind and then well you can't keep abreast of how much . anything else girls? what d'ya you were saying karen how d'ya have to how did you manage to do it? -you may just sort of er form a picture in your mind just sit there and lip read sort of concentrate. -look at the floor put a picture in your mind of what they're saying and it seems sort of. +you may just sort of er form a picture in your mind just sit there and lip read sort of concentrate. +look at the floor put a picture in your mind of what they're saying and it seems sort of. what about getting the do you do you get the gist but not the details. yes. -understand the meaning behind the sentence but you couldn't word for word. +understand the meaning behind the sentence but you couldn't word for word. lynne was doing all the hard work. we got down to number tend and they were all one liners. and i was thinking, i can't even get these ones let alone the two liners. trying to repeat the same one. why were they hard erm -on the form that we looked at? +on the form that we looked at? erm no. i dunno i i got the gist of what lynne was saying and i was concentrating but maybe i was concentrating too hard because i was getting most of it right wasn't i but it it's just odd words you sometimes @@ -69117,29 +69056,29 @@ terms and phrase but i don't know. things like that sometimes you can remember but because you don't use them so often you think, oh that's strange. but then -and that's in fact +and that's in fact yeah but in an exercise like this you're thinking when they're saying that, oh i wouldn't normally say that. by which time you're not listening to the other things they're saying. now what do we do when we launch into our presentations on the telephone? -try and get as much out in one breath and then just go next +try and get as much out in one breath and then just go next and somebody says, well the girl you know he says you never call you you never told him about that. you said, i told him about that. and you you discussed but he can't remember it. i've told him about that. and you do you can't go on -you're expected to to remember a whole process that you're asking to you know explain how to fill in the form or use another system. -you're expecting them to remember it word for word as though it you know it's ingrained on their soul almost and can't +you're expected to to remember a whole process that you're asking to you know explain how to fill in the form or use another system. +you're expecting them to remember it word for word as though it you know it's ingrained on their soul almost and can't yeah i've found myself doing that sometimes. you know if i start saying something i'm noticing myself think you know i'm taking too long to say it. -but i won't sorry could you repeat that again. +but i won't sorry could you repeat that again. yes. and you have to try and think it differently. that's right. what sort of skills would you implant er what would you do in order to take er note of the detail of that exercise . what what sort of things would you do to break it up and absorb it in bite size pieces? -what things how could you improve that retention +what things how could you improve that retention pause. -pause you can pause couldn't you? +pause you can pause couldn't you? what about the person who was listening. what could you have done that would aid you remembering? what's the obvious thing? @@ -69152,41 +69091,41 @@ giving them plenty of time to absorb. did you speak fairly slowly to help them? yes. it's like you were speaking to a foreigner you know a french person or something. -i found i was trying to announce it the i'd this and i'd that in there. +i found i was trying to announce it the i'd this and i'd that in there. it was trying to like speak very clearly. yes. yes you you are teach related is the word yes? -you were very clear you were an and i don't think lynne even adopted a certain authority about the information when i heard her reading it out. +you were very clear you were an and i don't think lynne even adopted a certain authority about the information when i heard her reading it out. she sounded like a news presenter. you were saying you do emphasize when you're trying to get people to understand. you do. yes that's right. but remember those these these things that you understand logic are logic aren't they? they're just logical things to do. -pause pause speak rather slower than you would do if you were in a normal conversation. +pause pause speak rather slower than you would do if you were in a normal conversation. remember twenty percent of the message is lip read and you haven't got that opportunity. -it's understanding the so speak slowly not not not laboured but just a little slower than you would do. +it's understanding the so speak slowly not not not laboured but just a little slower than you would do. we all chat our heads off don't we? -we're we're all excited at this of information that we want to pass the story across to . -big use inflection and intonation in the voice. +we're we're all excited at this of information that we want to pass the story across to . +big use inflection and intonation in the voice. clear clarity or articulation. speak clearly. use language. that's what they said on that film didn't they? -that it's not the language felt uncomfortable because erm it wasn't an expression you would normally use. -i know you can hardly be expected to adopt all your expressions erm but you shouldn't be too technical in you know. +that it's not the language felt uncomfortable because erm it wasn't an expression you would normally use. +i know you can hardly be expected to adopt all your expressions erm but you shouldn't be too technical in you know. if you're talking about erm you know er l b os and confinements and up-trading. up-trading down-trading despatch you know. -i've just had a phone call in i've just erm had a phone call from a conference company and she and part of her research the woman in came on one of my courses to just see what the background and what we were doing. -and erm she had she works for a erm videos set up conferences you know the sort of things that you've been on. +i've just had a phone call in i've just erm had a phone call from a conference company and she and part of her research the woman in came on one of my courses to just see what the background and what we were doing. +and erm she had she works for a erm videos set up conferences you know the sort of things that you've been on. and erm if you ask for the despatch manager they say we haven't got one. we don't have one. do you despatch any goods? they say, no. because they're a conference . if you use language that's alien to that environment it doesn't mean very much. -who would who would be the person in a marketing and promotion conference erm creative +who would who would be the person in a marketing and promotion conference erm creative designer? what would the designer be? well he would would he he would design everything and then obviously it would be important for him to get it sent out. @@ -69201,50 +69140,50 @@ you understand? you may have to talk out functions of the job. because you don't what sort of title. he he may say he may say head of creative creative head of create the creative department or head of erm . -we had in our in the newspapers creative we had a creative department. +we had in our in the newspapers creative we had a creative department. he was head of creative. -now it sounds weird now something about i'm sure that's but that's what we used to call him you know. -and there were there were artists who the artist. -only that you know you're not you're not familiar talking to the artist. +now it sounds weird now something about i'm sure that's but that's what we used to call him you know. +and there were there were artists who the artist. +only that you know you're not you're not familiar talking to the artist. but if they do story boards about videos they obviously illustrate and er or design stands or er or backdrops to er a setting. you know they have a creative market . but we might make a mistake with the title and someone . but if you use the function who is responsible for doing then you can often find out who . so you need to be careful of the language. -is there anything else that you learned thinking of the exercise now listening when you put the shoe on the other foot and you have to stick to . +is there anything else that you learned thinking of the exercise now listening when you put the shoe on the other foot and you have to stick to . what other things do you think could have helped you? -there's an obvious thing really that erm if someone dictates something to you and you have to repeat that word for word what would you normally do by +there's an obvious thing really that erm if someone dictates something to you and you have to repeat that word for word what would you normally do by make notes of it. well done. that's what i was tempted to do actually. yes it's it's a natural you you get an urge to make notes . make notes. -well you make notes when you're listening to customers and make notes when you were questioning me did i and it was hard to even if it's only four or five questions it was hard to pull together. +well you make notes when you're listening to customers and make notes when you were questioning me did i and it was hard to even if it's only four or five questions it was hard to pull together. or i can't do it i have to scribble. i have to scribble. even if i'm like giving out my name to a customer sometimes i write down lynne and it's like what did you write that for. that's right. bearing in mind this is dumped after a week. -after this is dumped. +after this is dumped. we keep ours. do you? what for? i don't know. gets kept though if got like piles and piles of these. just in case. -it's kept what i'm saying is it's it's a working document. +it's kept what i'm saying is it's it's a working document. it's a working document. -it's for your you can you know keep make notes and er then something to you. -shorthand it's all shorthand notes. -i'm sure you do with your own anyway and er if you can that will help you . -is there anything else that's support what you're trying to do? -what how d'ya get the that's a difficult one really . +it's for your you can you know keep make notes and er then something to you. +shorthand it's all shorthand notes. +i'm sure you do with your own anyway and er if you can that will help you . +is there anything else that's support what you're trying to do? +what how d'ya get the that's a difficult one really . shall we have a go at this? no. -you talk about if it's something you're used to you talk about something and you know what you're talking of and somebody a bit like actual +you talk about if it's something you're used to you talk about something and you know what you're talking of and somebody a bit like actual interesting to you. yeah. -but area of interest yes. +but area of interest yes. i was quite happy answering your questions quite happy. also you have the hard job i have the easy job . @@ -69257,34 +69196,34 @@ but we know really you could say yes . yes yes. what i'm saying is if you keep a most people what that that's a bit that's a very very very good point lynne about it they were all higgledy piggledy subjects. oh god no sense was made of it. -and therefore your brain was trying to naturally put it into some context but it didn't go into any context so it was difficult +and therefore your brain was trying to naturally put it into some context but it didn't go into any context so it was difficult so if you if you get them talking about something and they actually get talking about it that's right. and then you ask them something totally different and think, oh weren't you interested in that anyway. yeah and the thing is you they don't forget that when you phone someone else they're doing something else. and you just talking about. -you've got to allow them to give their around to where you are with how you open the call. +you've got to allow them to give their around to where you are with how you open the call. you've gotta say something interesting quite early on and just to bring the whole conversation to where you want it to be. -you talk about asking questions you talk about the product that you've got to up to the question the problems that you . -you talk about leading questions again that testing trial closed where we'd just test the water before we go for the actual commitment. +you talk about asking questions you talk about the product that you've got to up to the question the problems that you . +you talk about leading questions again that testing trial closed where we'd just test the water before we go for the actual commitment. really what we're doing after are they prepared to talk about it if when you by consent let me carry on talking when you don't have a leading question. -what you going to say about something that's important a solution for you is that something you'd like to do? +what you going to say about something that's important a solution for you is that something you'd like to do? what have you got to say? -you know and then you're starting to present information after you've got their full attention not just from the beginning where you're trying desperately to win the presentation forward. +you know and then you're starting to present information after you've got their full attention not just from the beginning where you're trying desperately to win the presentation forward. now what i'm a little bit concerned about is how you should grasp that attention initially. because i think you have a very tough job on the phone to do that and you need erm to start think about what is interesting okay? -what i'd like you to do this evening if you will erm as an exercise is you know you were talking about erm asking questions listening to the answers speaking the same language watching erm talk the language. -like first of all there's erm talk person to person asking questions listening to the answers watch er talk person to person watch for signals and er talk the same language. -you remember what customer talk person to person. -if you are thinking about it talking person to person remember the guy on the building site remember the woman who's pregnant and trying to sell insurance and getting him to he should have been securing his family welfare and so on. -when the man in the wallpaper shop was he was tried flogging floor tiles instead of concentrating on wall coverings and so on. +what i'd like you to do this evening if you will erm as an exercise is you know you were talking about erm asking questions listening to the answers speaking the same language watching erm talk the language. +like first of all there's erm talk person to person asking questions listening to the answers watch er talk person to person watch for signals and er talk the same language. +you remember what customer talk person to person. +if you are thinking about it talking person to person remember the guy on the building site remember the woman who's pregnant and trying to sell insurance and getting him to he should have been securing his family welfare and so on. +when the man in the wallpaper shop was he was tried flogging floor tiles instead of concentrating on wall coverings and so on. erm he perhaps he remembered who he was talking to and what it was all about. you know have to remember the person. now i want you to think about the person who he's going to talk to. right and i want you to plan to do that for a call tonight in order to what you would say to this sort of person all right? sarah i'm going to give you i'm going to give you a company call how we feel marketing. -can i use your for inspiration there alison? +can i use your for inspiration there alison? you certainly may. thank you. i'll tell you what i'll do sarah. @@ -69294,9 +69233,9 @@ no all right then i won't i won't . i've got mine here. have you? have you got ? -tell me if you're gonna work on there. +tell me if you're gonna work on there. anyone at all. -has anybody else got their own you have your own. +has anybody else got their own you have your own. you've got some of your own. got any of your own girls? no. @@ -69311,22 +69250,22 @@ doesn't matter. don't matter. we'll use it just as an exercise again. imagination you've got the opportunity to do the call again. -what i'm going to ask you to then folks lynne and marion use one of alison's just as an form. +what i'm going to ask you to then folks lynne and marion use one of alison's just as an form. it doesn't really matter. you'll have types probably similar on each of of your own printout. i want you to think of the company you're going to ring. right? look at what the information on the pro on the prospect call thing that you've got there and i want you to plan an opening question. right? -i want you to introduce yourself and i want you to say something interesting. +i want you to introduce yourself and i want you to say something interesting. related to the person. the company or the person that you're going to ring okay? -now when i say say something interesting what i mean is i want you to pick something that you that t n t do. +now when i say say something interesting what i mean is i want you to pick something that you that t n t do. you know this morning you were looking for . -you were looking at features like despatcher how you forward how you deliberate drivers and how good and how extra mile and write out printed write out labels for companies. -and how we are the targeting comp how we are the company that specializes in certain industries because you've got you you do industry by phone mobile phone area and medical supplies and you know your local as well. +you were looking at features like despatcher how you forward how you deliberate drivers and how good and how extra mile and write out printed write out labels for companies. +and how we are the targeting comp how we are the company that specializes in certain industries because you've got you you do industry by phone mobile phone area and medical supplies and you know your local as well. we're that sort of company. -what i want you to do you my language when you first speak to me. +what i want you to do you my language when you first speak to me. i don't want anyone to say, do you use a carrier? do you use a carrier . where do they go to? @@ -69335,7 +69274,7 @@ that's something . i want you to attract my attention with a full introduction to tell me. what d'ya want to know when someone picks up the phone. you pick up the phone and say, hello. -what d'ya want to know about the on the phone stranger. +what d'ya want to know about the on the phone stranger. what d'ya want me to do? who it is. you'd like to know who the person is. @@ -69347,13 +69286,13 @@ well you've got a contact man. he's someone you can go back to . yes i'm prepared to give my name i feel you know. if i if i ever take an incoming call here right? -and then they want someone else's help or whatever else and er i can see that they're concerned that you know they have a concern or want something from me then and i pass on i some action to take place you know for you know i've on to somebody or someone said to him, i always give my name. -say look it's kath if you have any problems ring us. +and then they want someone else's help or whatever else and er i can see that they're concerned that you know they have a concern or want something from me then and i pass on i some action to take place you know for you know i've on to somebody or someone said to him, i always give my name. +say look it's kath if you have any problems ring us. i will say to you this is a full time job . you've got my name don't think we go away that you can't ring me up again. you know if you if you come across something you need help with phone me. i'd be i'm interested to know. -if i get it's my job your success. +if i get it's my job your success. and if you're struggling my job is to help you overcome those struggles and i i want you to consider i'm here er as a service to you. i'm not i'm not i'm here for you not you don't you're not here for me. you know what i mean. @@ -69365,14 +69304,14 @@ now that's what you want when someone rings you up isn't it? they say look my name is and erm so i want you to think about how and talking about the way we talked about doing calls. don't just do what you normally do. if it's good share it. -but if you think yeah that doesn't really achieve achieving nothing convincing feel that call. +but if you think yeah that doesn't really achieve achieving nothing convincing feel that call. think about how you could say who you are. what could how could you explain what you're doing. what you're role is in this company. how d'ya explain that you know. how would people understand the function of that thing. -how would be persuaded or give them the right image. -we talked about image and mandy was talking about not preparing if we wanted these pictures to go out because we wanted erm create a not an illusion but a a perception of what was going on. +how would be persuaded or give them the right image. +we talked about image and mandy was talking about not preparing if we wanted these pictures to go out because we wanted erm create a not an illusion but a a perception of what was going on. what sort of build-up d'ya want to give me d'ya want people to have of you. you know. er of how would you get that across. @@ -69387,23 +69326,23 @@ oh my god this is absolutely terrible . don't worry. don't worry. that's we're here to help you put the words right you know. -i want if you're struggling with it just throw something down and say, oh gosh i can't you know. +i want if you're struggling with it just throw something down and say, oh gosh i can't you know. bring it to the table and we'll work it out together. but some of you will come out with some lovely ideas and they always do all you know . -there was one on the course erm monday and tuesday about how they introduce themselves. -they didn't telephone or indoor sales executive indoor sales executives -yes she did did she? +there was one on the course erm monday and tuesday about how they introduce themselves. +they didn't telephone or indoor sales executive indoor sales executives +yes she did did she? yeah -no that's now that's what is but she didn't say that she said er +no that's now that's what is but she didn't say that she said er she said something else didn't she? i think she said i just had normal er i i can't remember. i'm responsible for your accounts in this area. -or i'm responsible for erm and she did what she did rather than saying i'm the indoor sales exec or the the account handler or the telesales person who is or +or i'm responsible for erm and she did what she did rather than saying i'm the indoor sales exec or the the account handler or the telesales person who is or the distribution in your area. responsible for the distribution in your area. that's fine karen. yeah that sort of thing. -it's how would you describe the per you know who karen is. +it's how would you describe the per you know who karen is. i am responsible for er and then tell me why engage me in something about me. don't tell me anything about you. in what they do if you want to. @@ -69414,28 +69353,28 @@ you're in my office. okay? have a struggle with it and we'll discuss the opening question tomorrow because setting the scene is often the way the tone of the whole. they control initially and you know being feeling that you're part of it you're in charge of it can set the scene for the whole conversation. -and can you've got this fear if you miss some of those . +and can you've got this fear if you miss some of those . and then like you did about the subject here er me asking questions on the subject you want to do. think of your first couple of questions about that company. right? as soon as i'm going to be interested by what you first said and then where are you going to go to next. start start planning a strategy of questions to find out more. using the information on that that erm b m s. -do not ask me what know already and go through this routine of what d'ya do who d'ya do where d'ya go. +do not ask me what know already and go through this routine of what d'ya do who d'ya do where d'ya go. i don't wanna hear that stuff. -they're all questions. +they're all questions. but if you have that information you may want to confirm it's right. i know that you do this but am i right in saying you do this but and then move onto the question right? don't just it's additional information. -and don't forget i want you to demonstrate listening back through the open question through the questions. +and don't forget i want you to demonstrate listening back through the open question through the questions. i want you to conclude with a leading question. summarize if there's a need there right? -remember what she said on that video film when when he when she wanted to do it for too holidays. +remember what she said on that video film when when he when she wanted to do it for too holidays. she said what would happen if you were ill? what sort of question was that? i know the company can't do without you . what would happen if you were ill? -you're you're actually saying what would would i be right in saying that there wouldn't er they'd have to without you if you were ill. +you're you're actually saying what would would i be right in saying that there wouldn't er they'd have to without you if you were ill. but you you're asking in a more open way. leading question don't you? what would happen if you were ill? @@ -69443,19 +69382,18 @@ now that's the sort of thing sometimes you can't form those leading questions un like you couldn't remember we were going. couldn't really pull the leading question out the hat until you heard the answers. but that's what i want tomorrow morning we'll be looking at your preparation tonight on your call and i want i want you to tell me at the end of each why you chose the route you chose right? -i want you to put across what you're gonna do and and ask a question and then tell us why you chose to go that route. +i want you to put across what you're gonna do and and ask a question and then tell us why you chose to go that route. what made you do it. - you got nineteen out of twenty in a geography test? mr yeah. are sir i've just been recording you. yeah, i need the blue. -i just recorded something mr has said. +i just recorded something mr has said. oh let me, let me talk to you. let me do it a minute. -no seriously, mr said he got nineteen out of twen , out of a hundred. +no seriously, mr said he got nineteen out of twen , out of a hundred. twenty. ninety ni , ninety ni , nineteen. nineteen out of a twenty. @@ -69467,7 +69405,7 @@ no, turn it on. turn it on! just talk right. -unfortunately i think the time has come to pack your things up +unfortunately i think the time has come to pack your things up oh dear! and leave the classroom. oi! @@ -69478,7 +69416,7 @@ oi seriously, do you still fancy julia? speak then! why? turn it on. -i don't wanna turn it on cos i no. +i don't wanna turn it on cos i no. go on. please? it's on innit? @@ -69486,7 +69424,7 @@ if it was on, i wouldn't be talking like this. you smell of wee! it's on, it's on, it's on. you don't really. -and say it other people. +and say it other people. what? say that what? @@ -69504,8 +69442,8 @@ yeah. yeah? well, no. it's this thing they're doing in norway. -it's mr , er mr er ya , i've got a letter and stuff. -what it is is, is all about erm they're studying your voice and like the way you change it and all what the different like +it's mr , er mr er ya , i've got a letter and stuff. +what it is is, is all about erm they're studying your voice and like the way you change it and all what the different like and how the talking's different from how you talk, yes. exactly right. @@ -69548,7 +69486,7 @@ and i yo , you haven't got it though. you know what i mean. i wou -i'll put this in my coat. +i'll put this in my coat. and there's a little bit in between. it won't take long to learn the song, cos there's nothing like, like a macdonalds . do you like that? @@ -69556,7 +69494,7 @@ are you sure you don't wanna come? how did you get that black eye ollie? pardon? you were playing snooker? -what did you do, did you go push! +what did you do, did you go push! please get to the back of the queue! sorry ! i'm fed up with ! @@ -69582,7 +69520,7 @@ come on, we've gotta get out of here. come on, show us this thing. i've gotta clear my books though. see if you get out practising. -rob , it's like rob ,ro rob for cathy. +rob , it's like rob ,ro rob for cathy. that's not true. cos i didn't fancy cathy and you lot are silly! could you play it now? @@ -69625,7 +69563,7 @@ i haven't got any money. oh. oh. right. -er er can you sign up there sir please? +er er can you sign up there sir please? they're supposed to be all right. so th ah ha! @@ -69644,7 +69582,7 @@ beat me up. i recorded that. i'm gonna say every time . ollie! -you're going to, to say that every time. +you're going to, to say that every time. yes please. oh no! it don't take long to learn our song. @@ -69660,7 +69598,7 @@ what for? we got. when for? anything? -didn't, well, i didn't have any homework for anything. +didn't, well, i didn't have any homework for anything. i got mine. you have got two pounds. no i haven't. @@ -69672,7 +69610,7 @@ it's been spent my friend. we well, leave please. tt! oh no! -this is a ho +this is a ho sir hey jimmy! twenty four. @@ -69714,7 +69652,7 @@ eh you don't go! i do go. alright then. i have been before. -what's the picture where the bo , you know where the boxing bag is punching bag? +what's the picture where the bo , you know where the boxing bag is punching bag? no. punch bag, they do have a punch bag. no. @@ -69722,7 +69660,7 @@ eh, d'ya go then? well it's just those clip things, isn't it? and then you're lying! -ollie you know where the step, you know the step machine have you ever had a go on it? +ollie you know where the step, you know the step machine have you ever had a go on it? doesn't matter. have you, have you had a go on the ro , erm, on the punch bag? no, i haven't. @@ -69732,13 +69670,13 @@ yes? mm. so? it's hard! -he's trying to +he's trying to come here robin yeah. up-to-date mm. by next lesson. -what's worrying sir, that is if i haven't found my bag well sir, you haven't really said too much. +what's worrying sir, that is if i haven't found my bag well sir, you haven't really said too much. you're chasing someone now? yeah? is there one good point in that sir at all? @@ -69747,12 +69685,12 @@ no. i bet he's gonna say no . you have used the word good once. what? -yeah, it's good riddance probably. +yeah, it's good riddance probably. or som yeah. well i said good didn't i? and you said to the children, good idea. -you should record for the english no, and everyone elses, everyone else kept coming over to me. +you should record for the english no, and everyone elses, everyone else kept coming over to me. you didn't stop me trying. i'm going. come on let's go. @@ -69779,7 +69717,7 @@ what happened? what happened? talk to my microphone dear. let it all out! -check this out! +check this out! no your mum should check it out. yes. magic! @@ -69798,9 +69736,9 @@ yeah. you record. she go re seriously erm, i'm, you know that thing? what thing? -you know the thing you went in for,, you said i could go in for recording? +you know the thing you went in for,, you said i could go in for recording? well, i was the only one that didn't get picked right? -and there was seven people that went for it and only six could do it and, i wasn't gonna do it and what happened right, my name doesn't, wasn't picked out and er, there was this one boy, right that right, this boy called gavin and he wasn't there today. +and there was seven people that went for it and only six could do it and, i wasn't gonna do it and what happened right, my name doesn't, wasn't picked out and er, there was this one boy, right that right, this boy called gavin and he wasn't there today. gavin who? gavin , he wasn't there. oh. @@ -69811,7 +69749,7 @@ why? . can i have another one penny? these are nice and shiny and gold, i like them! -can you get me erm chewing +can you get me erm chewing i gum please? i got it yesterday didn't i? @@ -69830,8 +69768,8 @@ ah! hit me! hit me harder! when er when ow, when er when ow -diddle er er, diddle er er weeow . -er what was it called? +diddle er er, diddle er er weeow . +er what was it called? do i have a hint? i think you are. that's a wicked idea i just got. @@ -69861,7 +69799,7 @@ it's wired. oh! i know. he's been wired. -and, he's put this in his type of thing and it's like he's got his arm stretched out right to his mouth and he's got a cigarette in his in his hand and it's that like . +and, he's put this in his type of thing and it's like he's got his arm stretched out right to his mouth and he's got a cigarette in his in his hand and it's that like . if you put that inside si ,. yes probably. what? @@ -69872,7 +69810,7 @@ it's only a muffled sort of thing. oh yeah. i reckon that, that was a good id , i bet no one else has thought of that idea you know. why should you though? -yeah but like if wanna catch someone out, like you go say you were talking to scott and i wanted to find out something and like i go scott, and like i'll be going up close to him, i'm literally doing this, i'm going scott? +yeah but like if wanna catch someone out, like you go say you were talking to scott and i wanted to find out something and like i go scott, and like i'll be going up close to him, i'm literally doing this, i'm going scott? i don't give a toss get some stuff by someone, and he wouldn't notice. i know. @@ -69883,7 +69821,7 @@ and he's not catching on and i'll just but why? be but why? -and i'm just thinking like that, exactly . +and i'm just thinking like that, exactly . oh yeah. come on. and it'd be funny wouldn't it? @@ -69898,8 +69836,8 @@ good. said they hadn't shut. hello. hello. -erm i need one of these erm, yeah you got one? -these audio what's it called? +erm i need one of these erm, yeah you got one? +these audio what's it called? which one? these. ah yeah. @@ -69907,12 +69845,12 @@ yeah, not those, erm, no, these. these are reducers. so you want the big one? yeah, the reducers, that's the ones. -ga , no i need the small one +ga , no i need the small one you want the one going from the big to the small, or the small to the big? big to small. big to small. stereo or mono? -er, oh stereo please. +er, oh stereo please. there you are then. there's a, what's the difference between them? i mean, what @@ -69925,12 +69863,12 @@ the stereo's got two channels, yeah. that's wicked. yeah. okay. -do you do, i'm just asking, i'm not sure, do you do them where you've got erm so you got this,th the big one +do you do, i'm just asking, i'm not sure, do you do them where you've got erm so you got this,th the big one mhm. and then you got a wire going and then it reduces to small, it's like an extension lead on these? no. we can make you one up if you know, you want one. -how much do you reckon that'll cost? +how much do you reckon that'll cost? about two, about two, two pounds, two pounds er fifty. two pounds fifty? could you make one up? @@ -69938,7 +69876,7 @@ i mean, i wanna buy this but you better come in tomorrow, i'm closing now you see. yes. i can make you one up tomorrow. -yeah i know i'm when, are you, when are you open? +yeah i know i'm when, are you, when are you open? you open, you're not open on saturday are you? no we're closed saturday. we're open sunday morning. @@ -69966,7 +69904,7 @@ no. oh. how are you? too bad. -well, put it this way your sudden appearance has not made one bit of difference to my day. +well, put it this way your sudden appearance has not made one bit of difference to my day. no, i was gonna say i feel fine. oh! please! @@ -69975,7 +69913,7 @@ it doesn't hurt. yes it does hurt. i was right . alright. -i you. +i you. like penny did to me in my room today. yeah. that hurt. @@ -70016,13 +69954,13 @@ yes. and they were very interesting, actually. i found it very interesting. yes. -but never, er from the wrong side of the bench, you know never as a criminal. -well, now,th this is where comes into his own, you see. +but never, er from the wrong side of the bench, you know never as a criminal. +well, now,th this is where comes into his own, you see. yeah. you would be. once was tried in a way but a judge, er, tumbled to it, and it was at leicester castle. had things gone wrong with me, i may ultimately have been sent to prison. -i was g , i was going to get to read the newspaper report in the mercury and the mail, and when i appeared at leicester castle before a judge, but er, i think, and i was going to give you a clue. +i was g , i was going to get to read the newspaper report in the mercury and the mail, and when i appeared at leicester castle before a judge, but er, i think, and i was going to give you a clue. but perhaps we'll forget about that now. i can hold my peace. it was, it was fifty-four ago, there's your clue. @@ -70031,7 +69969,7 @@ yeah. another time i, more recently i appeared before a judge at norwich, as a wi , as a witness for people who have been unjustly treated. i only appear in court when other people have been unjustly treated. er, i've been before, when it was the assizes, at newark. -then i didn't anticipate, i was yanked out of the back of the court, i'd gone there to see some proceedings with people i was involved with and all of a sudden the barrister for the defendant said, is a mr in court? +then i didn't anticipate, i was yanked out of the back of the court, i'd gone there to see some proceedings with people i was involved with and all of a sudden the barrister for the defendant said, is a mr in court? so i got yanked out, mm. to go into the witness box, and that was interesting really, because that was a recorder then, now it's no longer, that's finished with now, isn't it. @@ -70039,16 +69977,16 @@ we don't have the assizes. th the crown court's taken the place of the assizes, i think, and then it was a shame, because it was very interesting. yes, you have a judge now at the, of the crown court, i think. -any anyway, i appeared there, this was interesting because, being a friend, i didn't swear on the bible, it's something that's not brought up in these notes, you don't think it's quite an important thing, really, so the clerk of the court,with his bible, would you, you know, repeat this. -so i said, i'm sorry, no i'm is it, the law officer, spur of the moment, i mean, i didn't know i was gonna finish up there. -i said, i'm sorry i'm a quaker, i i will not, we don't believe in double standards. +any anyway, i appeared there, this was interesting because, being a friend, i didn't swear on the bible, it's something that's not brought up in these notes, you don't think it's quite an important thing, really, so the clerk of the court,with his bible, would you, you know, repeat this. +so i said, i'm sorry, no i'm is it, the law officer, spur of the moment, i mean, i didn't know i was gonna finish up there. +i said, i'm sorry i'm a quaker, i i will not, we don't believe in double standards. mm. -and erm, the the clerk was in a flat spin, because he hadn't got a card, which said, i affirm that, what i say is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and the recorder himself was was about +and erm, the the clerk was in a flat spin, because he hadn't got a card, which said, i affirm that, what i say is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and the recorder himself was was about who got a paper for me to read out, then. so that was the time i've been before a recorder. er, the magistrate's court i've been to twice. the last time in norwich about six years ago, and then there were five magistrates out, and the sittings went on, for between two and three days. -the norwich city council wanted to get a licence to be able to sell intoxicants at a new pop centre they were going to open, mainly for young people, and was a member of the labour party, incidentally, and and a county councillor, one of the city wards, had the cheek to go and oppose the whole of norwich city council +the norwich city council wanted to get a licence to be able to sell intoxicants at a new pop centre they were going to open, mainly for young people, and was a member of the labour party, incidentally, and and a county councillor, one of the city wards, had the cheek to go and oppose the whole of norwich city council i was nearly chucked out for that, i left before they could chuck me out, actually. er, and i got up and i protested about it, on the grounds that if they couldn't run a great big pop hall for, and i wholly agreed with the idea, of of them providing the facility. could have said, if if if the finances of that, depends on selling alcohol, then, i think it's time norwich city council made a stand, and say we're only going to sell non-alcoholic drinks. @@ -70058,29 +69996,29 @@ erm, the other time was, and this isn't a point, either, made in the notes, erm, i had been the first chairman of wells-next-the-sea, town council, but two or three years afterwards, we decided to turn, er, the old cinema, they wanted to turn the old cinema into a dance hall. i was an ordinary member of the council for that, i had done me two years chairmanship, and here again, i was naughty really, considered naughty. but next to the dance hall if we'd given them the licence to ha turn the cinema into a dance hall, there was this little old boy who lived just the other side of the road, in an old cottage, and he was over eighty. -i knew he, i didn't know him, i didn't know him, but i do go and see him when i saw this case was covered up, and it seems to be utterly unreasonable that this poor old chap was going to have doors slamming and banging, and then people coming out the dance about midnight, and his whole life being disrupted, so i i turned on there, unknown to my own council, oh, they were cross with me. +i knew he, i didn't know him, i didn't know him, but i do go and see him when i saw this case was covered up, and it seems to be utterly unreasonable that this poor old chap was going to have doors slamming and banging, and then people coming out the dance about midnight, and his whole life being disrupted, so i i turned on there, unknown to my own council, oh, they were cross with me. and i went to the magistrates and acted and and gave witness on behalf of this old gentleman. the town council were so stupid there,we they're, the magistrate threw it out, said, no, you can't have a licence, because it'd be too big a public nuisance, they decided to appeal. -so then appears at norwich crown court, now the case before us, was a criminal case, so that the crown court can deal with civic cases as well as criminal cases, cos our cas , the next one was ours. +so then appears at norwich crown court, now the case before us, was a criminal case, so that the crown court can deal with civic cases as well as criminal cases, cos our cas , the next one was ours. and, i forget the name, it's, the chappie was still judge there, cos i saw his name recently. -but when i went up to er, was called as a witness i, this was i amazed me, the jury judge said i wish to affirm, he wanted to know why. +but when i went up to er, was called as a witness i, this was i amazed me, the jury judge said i wish to affirm, he wanted to know why. well, i reckon that's a bit of a cheek, really, if you prefer to affirm and swear on the bible, i don't see why they should challenge why you want to do one or the other. mm. so i said i'm a quaker. oh, that's alright then, mr -so i think, we erm, anyway, the wells council lost it's case and was really in the bad books over that. +so i think, we erm, anyway, the wells council lost it's case and was really in the bad books over that. but, er, so i've appeared in these places, purely because i'm, injustice, you know, stirs me up. -and it's no good moaning, so has to go and do something about it, +and it's no good moaning, so has to go and do something about it, mm. mm. and get into trouble. er, but i hope, for the, for the, for the right cause. so that's why i've been rather, er, you know, had quite a bit of ex experience in the court. -which is another point, really, that people i find even if they appeal for witnesses about something that's gone wrong, people are very hesitant, the majority of people in the community are frightened of being witnesses, +which is another point, really, that people i find even if they appeal for witnesses about something that's gone wrong, people are very hesitant, the majority of people in the community are frightened of being witnesses, mm. and unless we are prepared to, you know, to do this, er, we can't complain if there is injustice, it seems to me. now, today, i'm going to break away from the notes a little bit, cos i think, there's so many things you could bring, we could bring in, and i think some of the points made in the notes will naturally come out in our discussion. -er, today and every day, almost, a question of the police, at the moment, there is this business going on, er, in in london, at stoke newington, over the fact that, the charges against the police for corruption, being involved with all sorts of things that they shouldn't, er, and we are living through a time, where the police is having to fight a battle for it's own respect. +er, today and every day, almost, a question of the police, at the moment, there is this business going on, er, in in london, at stoke newington, over the fact that, the charges against the police for corruption, being involved with all sorts of things that they shouldn't, er, and we are living through a time, where the police is having to fight a battle for it's own respect. the police were originally formed from the community to represent the community, er, and to protect the community. that that's how it it started, that's why they weren't part of the force, is, police were part of a co community, and therefore to have respect for the police, seems to me quite vital if we are to have a real sense of of of justice and and fairness. i wonder what your views are, or wh what can be done, or whether anything can be done, er, to rebuild the respect for the police. @@ -70118,12 +70056,12 @@ it turns at the top and goes straight. well, that's much use from the point of view of getting to know him, is it. no. no. -erm, there's a local policeman, er, in the area around our church, he's come to speak finish in a little while. +erm, there's a local policeman, er, in the area around our church, he's come to speak finish in a little while. but er,talk about his work. but it's, i think it's the exception. erm. you never see a policeman at all. -if you were, if you +if you were, if you and they all say what a very nice man he is, too. you know, i wonder what would happen, if you went along to the norfolk street police station and said, will you please give us the name of our local policeman. i wonder if they would tell you of give you any @@ -70148,7 +70086,7 @@ yes, they would. well, that's a practical thing they can do, isn't it. mm. mm. -well we did a few years ago. +well we did a few years ago. mm. didn't he. did you, mm, mm. @@ -70169,11 +70107,11 @@ when when you talk about fearing god, you're not really talking about being frig and in the same way, interpretation of the word respect, was that you paid attention to the local bobby mm. because you knew he meant business, and he would achieve his end -and living in the area with him. +and living in the area with him. yes, but there's us. there's another meaning to the word respect, which is what is shown up by the stoke newington incident, and other similar incidents, in that, you can only respect somebody if they actually live up to the standards that they actually hold out to the rest of you. -and i mean it, there is nothing worse for someone who is supposed to be upholding the law, to be found not themselves. +and i mean it, there is nothing worse for someone who is supposed to be upholding the law, to be found not themselves. letting it down. i agree with that. and i mean, that, i think that's the sort of respect which is draining away very quickly, @@ -70182,7 +70120,7 @@ you know, with every incident that gets publicised, it weakens their position ev yes, that's the other side of the coin, isn't it, i mean, we we should teach our young people to respect the police, at at the same time, the police should be ready to earn their respect. yes. quite. -i think most of them are, but it's +i think most of them are, but it's it's up, it's up to them to clean their act up. it's the minority that yeah. @@ -70193,7 +70131,7 @@ it is. can spoil it for the many. oh, yes. i think we might remind ourselves that justice begins in court, not on the street. -no, i think if +no, i think if we are not talking about the police, we are talking about justice for all. if the police start trying to administer justice, in the way of trying, by planting drugs on innocent people, for example. oh yeah. @@ -70202,21 +70140,21 @@ the police are only concerned with catching the offender and delivering him or h that's not strictly true, because in our country, the police are also involved in gathering evidence which is largely put to the service of the prosecution, rather than the defence. so they an invidious position in this country, that they are not only catching the suspect, but they're also siding against the suspect even before he's gone on trial. that's right. -this, i think, was the point that was trying to point out, about the scottish system and the french system, that they have this independent investigating magistrates structure, so that erm, the police don't so much become involved in one side of the case. +this, i think, was the point that was trying to point out, about the scottish system and the french system, that they have this independent investigating magistrates structure, so that erm, the police don't so much become involved in one side of the case. but whatever the police discover, erm, is made available to both sides more readily. yeah. and hopefully, justice is is done. and if we're gonna start talking about paying the police by results, that's going to encourage them, isn't it, to er, to to press for for for conviction. -well, this is, this is point, isn't it, +well, this is, this is point, isn't it, yes. -that they're really, they're to arrest first and foremost, they're, they're to arrest the suspect,and bring that person before the er, judging magistrate, or the judge, whatever the case may be, and the, and has made, made out that it is a disadvantage therefore, if they are also expected to bring evidence, as, for the prosecution. +that they're really, they're to arrest first and foremost, they're, they're to arrest the suspect,and bring that person before the er, judging magistrate, or the judge, whatever the case may be, and the, and has made, made out that it is a disadvantage therefore, if they are also expected to bring evidence, as, for the prosecution. that's right. mm. -cos you get the situation now, where they, choose not to charge a person, because it isn't worth it. +cos you get the situation now, where they, choose not to charge a person, because it isn't worth it. because they know that by the time he gets to court, he'll be thrown out, and all the time will be wasted, mm. you know. -so +so is it the magistrate who issues the search warrant, er, and the police go in and search the house for drugs or anything. mm. is it the magistrate or @@ -70243,26 +70181,26 @@ representatives, i've known three magistrates in my life. one was a a a business man, the other was er, trade union official, and the other was a housewife, which seemed to me to be badly representative yes. of, if you take that as a as a reasonable example. -the the variety doesn't make the point, that it is the chancellor er, who er, the lord chancellor, i should say, who who appoints magistrates, but it isn't, that make the point, which i think, is very important, is how do the names get to the lord chancellor's office. +the the variety doesn't make the point, that it is the chancellor er, who er, the lord chancellor, i should say, who who appoints magistrates, but it isn't, that make the point, which i think, is very important, is how do the names get to the lord chancellor's office. yes, i was, i was going to ask that, try and explain that. -well, it's bound to be some body, but, i mean, what we movement, could erm, +well, it's bound to be some body, but, i mean, what we movement, could erm, that's right. partition the the lord chancellor that we think so and so that's right. would be a jolly good magistrate. -but would, would -you find often, it's the erm, political party, i mean, i know two and who were both erm, names put forward by the labour party +but would, would +you find often, it's the erm, political party, i mean, i know two and who were both erm, names put forward by the labour party yes. in rochford and in huddersfield, you know. mm. that's a point i was going to make, but as far as i can tell in en masse, the main, the main nominated bodies have been of political parties. yes. -they often have a very small percentage of the population anyway, and er i'm glad we've brought this matter up, because i think that is something which needs further investigation, that the the ordinary public and the many little,or the millions of voluntary organisations ought to be encouraged to have a more output in forwarding names. +they often have a very small percentage of the population anyway, and er i'm glad we've brought this matter up, because i think that is something which needs further investigation, that the the ordinary public and the many little,or the millions of voluntary organisations ought to be encouraged to have a more output in forwarding names. yes, quite, i agree. we ought to be forwarding names. if there was anybody young enough, for i agree. -i don't know what record the adult schools have of nominating +i don't know what record the adult schools have of nominating i don't, i doubt whether we've ever nominated anybody, on leicestershire. nationally. @@ -70277,7 +70215,7 @@ no, i think a lot of the nominations are made by the existing bench so in that sense, it's that we're incestuous. yeah, yes, it's, it's the old boy network, again, in in a way. yeah. -er, it's i i maybe wrong about that, i mean. +er, it's i i maybe wrong about that, i mean. can we ca will the chancellor accept, er, er, er ap an nomination from this group, for instance. oh, yes. oh, yes. @@ -70312,7 +70250,7 @@ you can't have it both ways. if you're thinking of something like, administering justice, i'm thinking general. no, i, if you let me finish what i'm saying. -there is, everybody has to acknowledge that there is a difference in the interpretation of what constitutes justice and one only has to see er, the sorts of attitude that are put across by certain judges, as to, erm, rape cases, and abuse cases, and how they, the press would have us believe, pat people over the head and tell them to go away and not do it again. +there is, everybody has to acknowledge that there is a difference in the interpretation of what constitutes justice and one only has to see er, the sorts of attitude that are put across by certain judges, as to, erm, rape cases, and abuse cases, and how they, the press would have us believe, pat people over the head and tell them to go away and not do it again. i mean, i think, there is something there that needs pursuing, i'm not accusing all judges of being, inherently, you know, nutty, or, whatever, but, the number of cases that have come to light in the last few years, whether it's because the press have just decided to home in on them, mm. or whether there is really a situation there, which probably has been going on since time in memorial, that we've only just started to hear about it. @@ -70327,7 +70265,7 @@ irrespective of wh what's gone on over the whole period of the trial. so it's very deli dangerous, i think, to take too much notice of what appears in the press. it's it's the only thing you have it's the only thing you have, but if you're -television +television if you were in court, and under trial, you might come to an entirely different conclusion. and in any case, it's most likely that it was a completely misleading headline in the press. yeah. @@ -70341,7 +70279,7 @@ mm. a babe in arms. what sort of mitigation could justify that? nothing. -well, that's amazing, and that's an, that's an extreme case, i think, i don't +well, that's amazing, and that's an, that's an extreme case, i think, i don't there is no mitigation for things like that. they should be, i think they should be finished. we ought not to have to keep them until they're about seventy, in nearly the lap of luxury. @@ -70379,7 +70317,7 @@ it should be, i think it should be so. it should be more than one person deciding it. i think. mm. -are we thinking of the court of appeal or are we thinking of a trial by jury. +are we thinking of the court of appeal or are we thinking of a trial by jury. now there's a difference here, yes. soon as you start talking about more than one judge, you you getting into the appeal court area, aren't you. @@ -70393,17 +70331,17 @@ now erm, yeah. knowing, knowing the tremendous changes in our society. he can't really be in touch with the twenty years olds. -do we, do we think that generally speaking, our judges are in touch with public opinion, generally. +do we, do we think that generally speaking, our judges are in touch with public opinion, generally. no. or is it, is it that they've become a sort of exclusive club, arising al almost always through the ranks of the of the law, and gradually, gradually got withdrawn from the way that ordinary people think and feel. -i i i i think that there is a peculiar problem here, and, and that is, that whilst i will fully agree with that judges should be kept or keep in touch with the usages and habits of modern society and how it's changing. +i i i i think that there is a peculiar problem here, and, and that is, that whilst i will fully agree with that judges should be kept or keep in touch with the usages and habits of modern society and how it's changing. at the same time, it is essentially, if justice is to be done, and this is what we're talking about, that a judge should also be detached and how you can balance detachment with knowledge. mm. it's not easy. mm. it's not easy, is it. no, it's not easy, by any means. -but the de the +but the de the has arisen where a judge has passed a personal view about a woman, hasn't he. this is what's caused the trouble. yeah. @@ -70425,7 +70363,7 @@ yeah. he's worked he's way up through various branches of the law, he he's practically certain to being a q c and then a recorder, you know mm. worked up the ladder, but, what's required in a judge, i would say,put putting for the moment, what we've just been discussing on the side, that is, any question of bias, or sex bias,a judge is there in court, to perform an intellectual . -he is there to listen to the evidence, to present the evidence to the jury, the jury then, say, whether the man in the dock or woman in the dock or whatever's in the dock, is guilty or not guilty. +he is there to listen to the evidence, to present the evidence to the jury, the jury then, say, whether the man in the dock or woman in the dock or whatever's in the dock, is guilty or not guilty. the judge then, bearing in mind, all that he knows, and all that he's been told about the guilty person, proceeds to pass sentence. now i say, that that is an intellectual exercise, as soon as it becomes an emotional exercise that's the end of justice. @@ -70451,7 +70389,7 @@ oh, yes. yeah. it is. oh, yes. -could i, what, what is not, touched on in the notes, but is, i i think the other side of the coin is that, if justice means treating people fairly, this is on the basis of treating the accused fairly. +could i, what, what is not, touched on in the notes, but is, i i think the other side of the coin is that, if justice means treating people fairly, this is on the basis of treating the accused fairly. but what about people who had the wrong, inflicted upon them, isn't that equally a matter of justice we only now seem to be getting round to recognising it. recognising, that's true. @@ -70476,11 +70414,11 @@ i mean, if somebody was petrified of setting eyes on the youth again, then it wo yes, it wants very delicate handling, i suppose. well, the this friend of ours, the er, director of victims and crime, er, we we have somebody at church who was burgled. she is an elderly person, lives on her own, and er, he made a suggestion to her that she went with him to prison, to face the man, well, i don't whether it was the actual man, but men that had done burglaries, you see. -and she said she'd go, in fact, i i i had fellowship on, because, remember we started on that tuesday, i said, well, you'll all be surprised to know that going to prison tomorrow. +and she said she'd go, in fact, i i i had fellowship on, because, remember we started on that tuesday, i said, well, you'll all be surprised to know that going to prison tomorrow. er, but she went, and she was, she said, that the men that she faced, one out of those, had never realised what he'd done, the trauma he'd caused, that what he was getting, because he'd never given a thought to the people he was erm, burgling. -and when said what it had meant to her, loosing personal jewellery and things that was sentimental value to, you know, the family that had died, and they were the only things she'd got to remember them by, and so on. -he really was brought up in his tracks, and said, when he brought her home, well if that only made one person think, it's been worth it. +and when said what it had meant to her, loosing personal jewellery and things that was sentimental value to, you know, the family that had died, and they were the only things she'd got to remember them by, and so on. +he really was brought up in his tracks, and said, when he brought her home, well if that only made one person think, it's been worth it. mm. so, you know, but he's he's very bitter er, he's an ex-policeman, himself. @@ -70488,7 +70426,7 @@ and he's very bitter about the way the victims are treated. think about it and the way the criminals are treated too. yes, yes, that's right. -in fact, he was telling me only the other week, about the the number of criminals that he knows, they're serving their they're serving sentences, and they're only one thing they're longing and hoping for, it is get out, so they can knock another old lady down, +in fact, he was telling me only the other week, about the the number of criminals that he knows, they're serving their they're serving sentences, and they're only one thing they're longing and hoping for, it is get out, so they can knock another old lady down, mm. and and go and get some money and sell it, sell it in the car boot sale, and get back to prison all over again. nothing to worry about, no expenses, everything's taken care of, the only thing they haven't got is their freedom, but they've got everything else. @@ -70506,7 +70444,7 @@ that's right, i agree. cos, as you say, if if they do have to come to grips with their fellow man,to be at least some of them who are going to be impressed by that. but how you can expect people to become more sociable by just being, you know, shut behind closed walls, and and not having to actually, fend for themselves and cope with life outside prison walls. it doesn't seem to make sense to me. -i think there's also the type very often these people have left a family, a wife and children behind +i think there's also the type very often these people have left a family, a wife and children behind mm. and maybe they're not facing up to that responsibility. mm. @@ -70528,7 +70466,7 @@ yes, there is, yes. yes. oh aye. -it was cos the prison, the warders, resented somebody going in and and doing this for them. +it was cos the prison, the warders, resented somebody going in and and doing this for them. if anybody went into the prison, they had to be paid. they weren't having any volunteers in. th this this was putting it very simply. @@ -70537,7 +70475,7 @@ mm. i mean, if anyone saw that television programme a couple of weeks ago, about those prisoners who put on guys and dolls, mm. where they were, the the prisoners were the chorus and and they had a local operatic society made the -erm, and they did remarkably well, you know, taking it over, they were really very acceptable at the end, but the whole programme had this sub-plot of how antagonistic most of the prison officers were, not all of them, cos they obviously has some support to keep it going, but a lot of them were antagonistic towards what was going on, and not only that but just the the prison system, you know, this chap got transferred from one prison to another, when he was mid-way through rehearsals, you know, i mean why shouldn't he have stayed there, +erm, and they did remarkably well, you know, taking it over, they were really very acceptable at the end, but the whole programme had this sub-plot of how antagonistic most of the prison officers were, not all of them, cos they obviously has some support to keep it going, but a lot of them were antagonistic towards what was going on, and not only that but just the the prison system, you know, this chap got transferred from one prison to another, when he was mid-way through rehearsals, you know, i mean why shouldn't he have stayed there, mm. and completed this, this wonderful piece of thera therapy, which it was for him, mm. @@ -70548,14 +70486,14 @@ oh, why. we well, that's something we don't know. there may have been other prisoners. -i mean they wouldn't willy nilly, would they. +i mean they wouldn't willy nilly, would they. perhaps he was being treated badly. i mean, in fact, in fact. the implication was that there was no flexibility in the decision, it could have been held back, perhaps because he was involved in this, if you like, opportunity of a lifetime. mm. well, not to so long, er, i was going to hampshire's to get bread, and as i was going in, and this fellow was coming out, he hands with me. ooh, -and then he got, he got on the bus, it was a midland red and it was going to erm, er where, it was going out of town, anyway, and he shook hands with the driver, because i couldn't help but, you know, notice what he was doing, and when i got when i was in the shop and getting the bread, the girls in there were telling me that he shook hands with them, because he had just got out of prison, and he was a born again christian. +and then he got, he got on the bus, it was a midland red and it was going to erm, er where, it was going out of town, anyway, and he shook hands with the driver, because i couldn't help but, you know, notice what he was doing, and when i got when i was in the shop and getting the bread, the girls in there were telling me that he shook hands with them, because he had just got out of prison, and he was a born again christian. ah. mm. and that's what had happened to him in the prison, because someone said, i wonder how long that will last. @@ -70581,11 +70519,11 @@ it's partly the fault of the lawyers, it's partly the fault of the police, who h mm. before these, before these cases can be brought to the court. and an an and very, very often -but in scotland they seem to manage to with them. +but in scotland they seem to manage to with them. they haven't got the man-power to to do all this paperwork. that, that is one reason for the delay. another reason is, the lawyers. -used to say, that cases used to come before her court in in rochdale, and it was an absolute disgrace that they ever came to court. +used to say, that cases used to come before her court in in rochdale, and it was an absolute disgrace that they ever came to court. and that, the lawyers would spin them out mm. yeah. @@ -70595,7 +70533,7 @@ yes. yeah, yeah. said it was an absolute disgrace. yeah. -er, this refers back to something said, a little while ago, talking about the fitness of judges, having come up through the legal system. +er, this refers back to something said, a little while ago, talking about the fitness of judges, having come up through the legal system. i mean, having heard criticisms of how lawyers behave, and having heard people say, how can you defend someone when you know jolly well they're guilty and this kind of thing. how does that fit you to become a judge. if you've actually be wangling system on your way up, which is what most of us seem to do at one time or another. @@ -70605,14 +70543,14 @@ i think regarding the number of people who are in prison, whether on remand or o but somebody has been sent to prison, they are the sort of person who you would think of, should never be sent to prison, somebody who has diddled his firm out of a couple of thousand. that man is not a menace to society, and there are a great many other similar people who should never be in prison. i don't know, i don't know how you could deal with them justly. -how any reparation could be made, and talking about reparation, this business over absent fathers, er, has just killed that idea of us getting more and more in that kind of way, but i'm sure there are many people, and i'm not thinking about those who have been, committed an act of violence, and said, well they might do it again, but say, i'm pretty sure people who have been committed in effect of what you could call civil crimes, that is putting their hand in the drawer, should never be in prison. +how any reparation could be made, and talking about reparation, this business over absent fathers, er, has just killed that idea of us getting more and more in that kind of way, but i'm sure there are many people, and i'm not thinking about those who have been, committed an act of violence, and said, well they might do it again, but say, i'm pretty sure people who have been committed in effect of what you could call civil crimes, that is putting their hand in the drawer, should never be in prison. if anybody wants to employ them, they should know before, and then employ them at their own risk. and they can, i mean, they can even continue with original employer and work as you might say, for nothing, until they've paid back, what they took. -well, that's could do. +well, that's could do. yes, that's right. there's plenty of room for that sort of thing. mm. -i mean, that flies in the face of all the current pressures, all of the current political about, if you're a naughty boy, into prison you go, and for the longer the better. +i mean, that flies in the face of all the current pressures, all of the current political about, if you're a naughty boy, into prison you go, and for the longer the better. and now we have another er, sub-crop of people who have been discharged into community care from mental hospitals, mm. mm. @@ -70628,7 +70566,7 @@ no. it was the beadle in oliver twist. oh, yes, yes, that's right. mr bumble. -times running out, but the local thing, not the local, that's the thing, er, appeared on on, er, the news tonight, er what happened, announced by home secretary, i think it was, there, i'm not quite sure, where children under er, children under sixteen, if they er, do not er, abide by the instruction of the juvenile court where they have conducted misdemeanours. +times running out, but the local thing, not the local, that's the thing, er, appeared on on, er, the news tonight, er what happened, announced by home secretary, i think it was, there, i'm not quite sure, where children under er, children under sixteen, if they er, do not er, abide by the instruction of the juvenile court where they have conducted misdemeanours. the parents can now be fined up to a thousand pounds for the children, because they haven't carried out the instructions of the court. that seems to me, to need a lot of thinking about, because if you've got difficult children,ra the last thing we want to do is think you've got a thousand pound fine or so. anyway, if you can't pay it, what do they do with them. @@ -70639,7 +70577,7 @@ where does it end. but the story goes that money speaks, and some people, some parents, if they get hit in the pocket, will probably take more notice of their child, yeah. than they've taken for months or years before. -yes, i think that's if you, if your dog goes and bites somebody,an , you're in trouble, because you've let him get out of control, and +yes, i think that's if you, if your dog goes and bites somebody,an , you're in trouble, because you've let him get out of control, and yes. mm. but if your child goes and burns a a school down, he he gets away with it. @@ -70650,35 +70588,35 @@ they shouldn't, they shouldn't. parents should be held to some degree, not necessarily to a tune of a thousand pound, but they should be made in some way, to be responsible for their yeah, but i agree, it's just a question of the way you do it. it seems a very clumsy way of, just thinking of terms of financial. -well, well it's it's what, as has said, it's +well, well it's it's what, as has said, it's it's the best way to get people. pay up. -they are some parents that do bringing out a book. +they are some parents that do bringing out a book. oh aye, well -will will know, and my daughter says, if she's got children that are a real problem, she'd want to know what their homes like, and that usually gives an answer, which you too. +will will know, and my daughter says, if she's got children that are a real problem, she'd want to know what their homes like, and that usually gives an answer, which you too. mm. -erm, we've got a friend that was erm, a store detective, in fact, it's the wife of the er, victim of crime support group. +erm, we've got a friend that was erm, a store detective, in fact, it's the wife of the er, victim of crime support group. she was a store detective and she caught a child, at shop-lifting. the the ruling is, that if you catch a child you take her and keep her in the office and send for the parents. -well she sent for, her mother came, and er, when she came in, explained to her, why she'd sent for her, and she smacked the child across the face, and said, there was no need to do that. +well she sent for, her mother came, and er, when she came in, explained to her, why she'd sent for her, and she smacked the child across the face, and said, there was no need to do that. she said, that's for getting caught. oh. yeah. well, now what, now what chance does that child have of of growing up. -now those sort of parents need something to -i mean yes, that's right. +now those sort of parents need something to +i mean yes, that's right. to catch them. -i mean, in a much more, erm, a le a less severe example, but we're having a road safety week, at school, this week, erm, and it was my class's turn, yesterday afternoon, so i was just there keeping a watching brief with my my children while the, road safety representative was talking to them, and she put them us through the usual hoops of erm, did any of them play on the roadside un unattended. +i mean, in a much more, erm, a le a less severe example, but we're having a road safety week, at school, this week, erm, and it was my class's turn, yesterday afternoon, so i was just there keeping a watching brief with my my children while the, road safety representative was talking to them, and she put them us through the usual hoops of erm, did any of them play on the roadside un unattended. had any of them crossed the road on their own. bearing in mind that they're only six and seven in my class, er, and then talking erm, about how they travelled in cars, and and how many of them had ridden in the front seat, er, and most of them put their hands up, and i mean, the recommendation is that if you're under twelve years of age, you should never ride in the front seat, and so on and so forth. erm, and i mean, i i was just cringing after that, hearing all these, minor horror stories coming coming out, and then to cap it all, one little girl put her hand up and said erm, my daddy was stopped by the police once for not wearing his seat-belt. presumably he was driving. mm. -erm, er, and he got a ticket, and he had to, you know, you have to take this ticket to the police station for not having worn his seat-belt. +erm, er, and he got a ticket, and he had to, you know, you have to take this ticket to the police station for not having worn his seat-belt. erm, so he always looks out for police cars now, but he still won't wear his belt. oh. so i mean, several of us, as teachers, have got together today, and said, it's not the children who need road safety instructions it's the parents, -the adults +the adults and in the same way, if if they're being given that example, mm. of how to worm their way round things all the time, rather than follow the rules. @@ -70686,12 +70624,12 @@ mm, yes, that's right. well, they're going to be brought up dishonest. it starts small, and it gets big. yes, it does, yeah. -well, i +well, i i mean, we all bends the rules to our own advantage from time to time, i mean, nobody pretends they're whiter than white. but, there are vary degrees in everything, aren't there. yeah. well, the concern is to to er, punish the children in a way, that they will realise they're going to wrong way. -but at the moment, you feel as if they're getting patted on the head and it's giving them a push down the wrong way. +but at the moment, you feel as if they're getting patted on the head and it's giving them a push down the wrong way. i feel very sorry for for the parents of jamie oh, yes. i mean, who can help but feel other than sorry for them, but for them to to burst out and say that those two little boys, which is all that they are, @@ -70706,7 +70644,7 @@ you know, they won't be any better. they won't be any better. that's the whole point, isn't it. -in any case, even though they chose a a minimum sentence, they'll be twenty or twenty one yeah, yeah. +in any case, even though they chose a a minimum sentence, they'll be twenty or twenty one yeah, yeah. it's it's as long as they've lived already, practically, yes. but it's perfectly natural, isn't it. oh, yes. @@ -70715,7 +70653,7 @@ i mean, it's perfectly natural for his parents to be like that. oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah. i mean, wouldn't we think. oh certainly would. -i mean, we would, we would,probably want to come out and you know. +i mean, we would, we would,probably want to come out and you know. coming down to children er, are doing wilful damage and er graffiti and all this sort of thing. i do think when they're caught, they are, to me it seems as if they ought to be made to clear up some graffiti and and realise what they're doing because, i don't think half the time, they realise the the upset they cause. no. @@ -70727,13 +70665,13 @@ i said, erm, what you doing throwing sticks up, where where the stick. oh, it's up there,it fell down and erm, went along and picked it up, so i took it off them, and said, how would you like it if i threw sticks at you,anyway, they said, oh i'm sorry, you know, they they sort of cleared everything up and went off. but, i mean, often when you go and approach children like that, you find, that you know, all you get is a mouthful of yes, that's true, yes. -i'm afraid, you know, that it's it's a shame because of, i i feel that if they are stopped like that, to be talked to and quietly and point out, you know, what they +i'm afraid, you know, that it's it's a shame because of, i i feel that if they are stopped like that, to be talked to and quietly and point out, you know, what they mm. doing wrong, and that, you know, they'll go away, but so often these days, of course, the parents all they all take no notice, yeah, silly old fool, you know. mm. -well, i was going to say, at last year at my friends house, and they have all open front, beautiful frontage, nice big house they are, and two kiddies on bikes started riding down the, across the front gardens instead of on the pavement, or the road, and she said to me, oh, i'll stop this, i'm not having this. +well, i was going to say, at last year at my friends house, and they have all open front, beautiful frontage, nice big house they are, and two kiddies on bikes started riding down the, across the front gardens instead of on the pavement, or the road, and she said to me, oh, i'll stop this, i'm not having this. cos there was lawns and flower beds and everything, you see, and they was going over it. -and her husband, go and give them a clout, so she said, no, and she walked up to them, and quietly said, +and her husband, go and give them a clout, so she said, no, and she walked up to them, and quietly said, mm. where do you live? they told her where they lived, just up the road. @@ -70815,10 +70753,9 @@ mm. but it's in my little green bag somewhere, do you know where it is. put on floor here, my little green plastic bag. you should read it, it's f - each if i can find it. -pages forty six and forty seven please. +pages forty six and forty seven please. and you'll er you'll need a piece of paper. pages forty six and forty seven and you'll need a piece of paper to do the work on. sir someone's got my book so i'm having this one if it's alright. @@ -70857,7 +70794,7 @@ you've got marc underneath which means marcato give a little push at the beginni don't forget this is a wind player playing a flautist. so if you're marking the sound you've got to give a little more air to it more wind. tres retinue near the end there getting much slower. -okay as opposed to just the retinue which means a little slower. +okay as opposed to just the retinue which means a little slower. and finally peu de doci which is not french but is again italian peu de doci means dying away. peu de doci means quite literally getting lost. so if you want to get rid of somebody you can go and tell them to peu de doci which means getting lost. @@ -70876,23 +70813,23 @@ look carefully at the music of the first two bars then write the music of bar th ah that means you've got to listen carefully to what happens. do please remember that echoes are used repeats of things are used. it may be that some of it is a repeat. -it asks you to draw five empty bars to represent the music for bars four to eight. -do not copy the notes but underneath the stave write marks to show where the music gets louder crescendo marks and softer diminuendo marks. +it asks you to draw five empty bars to represent the music for bars four to eight. +do not copy the notes but underneath the stave write marks to show where the music gets louder crescendo marks and softer diminuendo marks. now you can do this if you wish of course on ordinary plain paper because all you need to do to create your five empty bars i would suggest is we'll assume that's your thing there. one two three four five. okay and if say it crescendoed in bar two you would go like that say it diminuendoed in bar four you would do that. oh yeah. so you don't even need to use music paper for this. you can just draw your bars . -question four is a very simple one what actually happens to the music at bar nine . -question five asks you to fill in the rhythm of the music in bar ten . +question four is a very simple one what actually happens to the music at bar nine . +question five asks you to fill in the rhythm of the music in bar ten . look at bar ten it's at the end of that statement un peu movemente mais tres peu you'll see you've got the note heads given. you have to fill in the rhythm. you will need to copy those note heads onto manuscript paper and put em in. you don't have to complete bar nine even though bar nine is empty because that's the subject of question four what happens there. so you have to describe that in words. you have to listen carefully oh sorry yes fill in the rhythm adding the phrase and dynamic parts for bar five for question five. -question six asks you to listen carefully to the music of bars fourteen to nineteen . +question six asks you to listen carefully to the music of bars fourteen to nineteen . i will find those and play them several times. where in the music does the player take a breath? now then how are you gonna say where in the music the player takes a breath? @@ -70908,12 +70845,12 @@ no. in that case we will attempt to do this now and we'll talk about interval naming afterwards those of you who can please attempt it there will be questions here that some of us can't . question nine is a listen. listen to the music in the bars twenty three and twenty four. -what do you thing the word trilla trill in english means. -okay describe briefly how the music ends. +what do you thing the word trilla trill in english means. +okay describe briefly how the music ends. which of these words do not describe the character of the music? and there they are vigorous, mysterious, majestic, haunting and . we will now be listening to the music would you please write what you need to would you complete as many of the questions as you can. -if like one or two of us who are thinking about it you've already been thinking about it you've got two or three of these complete already. +if like one or two of us who are thinking about it you've already been thinking about it you've got two or three of these complete already. here is the music for the first time today. okay. so we can all answer question one leon? @@ -70938,7 +70875,7 @@ listen please to the first four bars of this music. four or five bars and tell me what you notice about bar three. follow bars one and two particularly carefully. what did you notice about bar three by comparison with bar one. -it's it is it is the same. +it's it is it is the same. is it? so what you should have copied down is bar one again. okay? @@ -70968,14 +70905,14 @@ i don't care i hate it. i hate writing music right how did you do? you've got to put the clef at the beginning of it you really ought to. -okay and er you know you you weren't you weren't actually high enough up there were you. +okay and er you know you you weren't you weren't actually high enough up there were you. i mean think about it. yeah. that bit that was the bar. -okay you got that bit right you certainly needed the accidentals you certainly needed those two . +okay you got that bit right you certainly needed the accidentals you certainly needed those two . okay it's very important that the whole things done accurately. those two aren't high enough see that really need to be up there doesn't it. -and you need more so really you needed to have done it on this line. +and you need more so really you needed to have done it on this line. so that you could do it like that. okay. the accent over the top and all the rest of it. @@ -71002,15 +70939,15 @@ oh we're getting the piece actually whistled here well done. and so on yeah. now compare that with what you've written underneath. well it doesn't actually sort of bear witness does it. -it's coming but you still need to have the accent over the top, you need to have the dot there, you need to have the two accidentals there, that's yes that's got what it needs dot there, the accent there, you need to have the two accidentals there don't you. +it's coming but you still need to have the accent over the top, you need to have the dot there, you need to have the two accidentals there, that's yes that's got what it needs dot there, the accent there, you need to have the two accidentals there don't you. yeah and you need to have the flat in front of this one. yeah? right ladies and gentlemen. -it's important that if you are going to copy accurately you do copy accurately. +it's important that if you are going to copy accurately you do copy accurately. question three asked you to draw five empty bars to represent the music of bars four to eight. there are five bars between four and eight think about it. will you please on your piece of paper your blank piece of ordinary paper s s create those five bars now and would you please put in the appropriate signs either crescendo or diminuendo. -well we can't hear it at the moment i'm just about to run it again for you. +well we can't hear it at the moment i'm just about to run it again for you. i'm sorry you've lost me there. okay. here comes the music what you've gotta decide from between bar four to bar eight. @@ -71060,7 +70997,7 @@ what happens to the music what sorry what happens in the music at bar nine. okay? all brains in gear we're listening from the beginning. and we're listening from the beginning. -yes what happens in the music at bar nine. +yes what happens in the music at bar nine. this is bar one. there's that crescendo they talked about. here's the diminuendo. @@ -71102,12 +71039,12 @@ i know i was. you weren't counting bars. you'll find there are bar numbers given at the beginning of each line. bar four starts the second line, bar eight starts the third line. -so it out to be easy enough to work out where ten is since bar eleven starts the fourth line. +so it out to be easy enough to work out where ten is since bar eleven starts the fourth line. when you have copied precisely bar ten would you please now finish bar ten by putting the tails in the right places. the what? the tails of the notes. that means the rhythm of the notes you may need to put dots in. -you may need to you may need to put dots in you may need to put semiquavers or even demisemiquavers in. +you may need to you may need to put dots in you may need to put semiquavers or even demisemiquavers in. this is bar nine followed by bar ten. write in the rhythm pattern. liam i'm sure that was of no help whatsoever to your ability to write this down. @@ -71193,7 +71130,7 @@ you do a wobble yes it the correct thing is a rapid alternation between the writ so trill is a rapid alternation between the two notes given okay. you were confusing it i think with shrill which is the word meaning high. okay? -question ten is a very involved question that i think we won't look at now. +question ten is a very involved question that i think we won't look at now. the music of course at the end just dies away to nothing. which of these words do not describe the character of the music. would you please say yes or no depending on whether you think it describes the character or not. @@ -71223,27 +71160,26 @@ while you're listening you could quietly and i mean quietly put your things away should you not wish to keep any of the papers that you've got there you can put them very carefully in the box. that box i don't know whether i'm allowed to say now thank heavens for that. - -aha and that gets rid of it from the front page. +aha and that gets rid of it from the front page. sorry rod, do you want me to -no, it's okay er, just carry on cos i'm just looking for a piece of paper to write it on. -the was that the first one was was more or less science orientated an i i, i looked at it and thought how how i could how i could make it such that it was common +no, it's okay er, just carry on cos i'm just looking for a piece of paper to write it on. +the was that the first one was was more or less science orientated an i i, i looked at it and thought how how i could how i could make it such that it was common yep. er, so that angela could use it you know. -erm and i came up with this bit, sort of the middle bit, national curriculum levels would be er your own thing right? -that wou tha that bit would be erm different for each subject. +erm and i came up with this bit, sort of the middle bit, national curriculum levels would be er your own thing right? +that wou tha that bit would be erm different for each subject. the middle bit yeah. whereas these? -the top bit and the bottom bit with the at all +the top bit and the bottom bit with the at all mm mm. -and the format would be the same and you just have different names on the top here +and the format would be the same and you just have different names on the top here yeah. so it would be the same sort of format. -and if you didn't want to do national curriculum levels or it wasn't appropriate then you could continue your staff comment now or you could draw a wee picture there or something like that, you know? +and if you didn't want to do national curriculum levels or it wasn't appropriate then you could continue your staff comment now or you could draw a wee picture there or something like that, you know? yeah,and comments. -er, the first thing is i put on the top of my draught that i'd rather the pupils weren't involved at this stage i'd rather they were involved in the over view with form tutor. +er, the first thing is i put on the top of my draught that i'd rather the pupils weren't involved at this stage i'd rather they were involved in the over view with form tutor. so i, i wouldn't have taken, make a pupil comment on that section. i'm not very happy with my box! why what's wrong with it? @@ -71265,16 +71201,16 @@ mm. if you like, that summate sheet correct. alright? -so can we just ignore that for the moment and focus on the first sheet deliberately +so can we just ignore that for the moment and focus on the first sheet deliberately it's not difficult yeah. mm. -because i think it gives us er it's got a lot of common things in, it gives us a baseline to work on +because i think it gives us er it's got a lot of common things in, it gives us a baseline to work on mhm. as opposed to be airy fairy! cos that was the problem last time wasn't it, we weren't quite sure mm. -where we were starting from and i think it would be valuable to do what we started doing and actually to look at this as the baseline and decide how we might amend it to keep common factors in that we can all use, because we need something that has a common denominator level +where we were starting from and i think it would be valuable to do what we started doing and actually to look at this as the baseline and decide how we might amend it to keep common factors in that we can all use, because we need something that has a common denominator level mm. in. is that, is that @@ -71282,11 +71218,11 @@ i did that, i did that with . right. you mm. -one of the things you said, angela was that there wasn't enough comment on the original one, wasn't +one of the things you said, angela was that there wasn't enough comment on the original one, wasn't aha. -enough room so i the size of that because of that +enough room so i the size of that because of that yeah. -more room +more room but i've , what i'm saying rod is i've done the same thing sorry angela! because @@ -71296,10 +71232,10 @@ right. but i've done a generalised thing that could be adapted. right. i think this is very good one! -ah oh yeah, i like that, i like it, yep! -erm, just picking little bits, i mean er,we when we say actually what it is erm, annual report do we say the annual report to parents, or is it annual report just i know that that's minor but at the actual top what do we actually call the thing that we're presenting? -i think, i, i would actually prefer to leave the word annual out and just put i dunno what you wanna call it, i'd i'm always -edgy about the word report +ah oh yeah, i like that, i like it, yep! +erm, just picking little bits, i mean er,we when we say actually what it is erm, annual report do we say the annual report to parents, or is it annual report just i know that that's minor but at the actual top what do we actually call the thing that we're presenting? +i think, i, i would actually prefer to leave the word annual out and just put i dunno what you wanna call it, i'd i'm always +edgy about the word report well ralph gardener yes. community high school, yeah. @@ -71309,7 +71245,7 @@ school that's the first thing. yeah. do we need to put on what it is? i mean, is it not almost explanatory? -yes, we we do need to put it on. +yes, we we do need to put it on. we do need to put it on. i'm looking for bill, is he around anywhere? bill? @@ -71318,13 +71254,13 @@ p e. and they're in room one which is down past okay! wherever something! -in the past we've used different terms haven't we? +in the past we've used different terms haven't we? we we we went to statement to parents! refuse and this,tha you know! to deliberately move away from the idea of the old reporting format that's why we've used the word statement to parents. -i mean that box on the left hand side there could be ralph gardener community high school and where it says science or maths or whatever +i mean that box on the left hand side there could be ralph gardener community high school and where it says science or maths or whatever yeah. -above that could be report for and then science you know? +above that could be report for and then science you know? what's wrong with just a title, science or oh okay then! it seems quite clear i thought @@ -71338,7 +71274,7 @@ yes. for the benefit of mm. whoever might pick the sheet up. -so, ralph gardener community high school, hyphen and, i would say annual out because +so, ralph gardener community high school, hyphen and, i would say annual out because mm. mhm. it might well be @@ -71346,24 +71282,24 @@ may not be annual! right mm. mhm. -and we either go with the word report or we look for an alternative word or words. -what is what is the, what is the, is assessment not the word to use these days? +and we either go with the word report or we look for an alternative word or words. +what is what is the, what is the, is assessment not the word to use these days? mm. no, it's not a report is it? cos if we're reporting, we're not assessing. mhm. -it is a report to parents and i mean, under legislation we have to report +it is a report to parents and i mean, under legislation we have to report report to parents. well i mean i i was -that's -just looking at that one where we said well report to parents +that's +just looking at that one where we said well report to parents annual report to parents , yeah. -you know, and is that is that satisfactory? -well that +you know, and is that is that satisfactory? +well that or do we want to call it something different? -in that case should call it subject report? -subject report instead of annual got enough space in there only make it small. +in that case should call it subject report? +subject report instead of annual got enough space in there only make it small. do we need subject report in if you're going, i'm sorry if we're spli , if you're gonna have a box with you're subject name in? cos it's obvious mhm. @@ -71377,26 +71313,26 @@ yes. yeah. okay. but will the -altho , although if one is eventually going to talk about the report one could to make it clear to the parents that what one is a subject report and the other is a summate report. +altho , although if one is eventually going to talk about the report one could to make it clear to the parents that what one is a subject report and the other is a summate report. mhm. -er, therefore make a distinction between the two parts of the report, -you mean rather then the , the report? +er, therefore make a distinction between the two parts of the report, +you mean rather then the , the report? no, i think mm mm. ah! we a we no we agreed, we agreed a on a fi -we need to shift to to the procedure that we would probably have and a tell me if i'm wrong i thought there was a sort of general agreement without it being sort of firmly agreed that we were going to go for a format of subject specific reports still coming to form tutor who would complete some sort of general report, is that +we need to shift to to the procedure that we would probably have and a tell me if i'm wrong i thought there was a sort of general agreement without it being sort of firmly agreed that we were going to go for a format of subject specific reports still coming to form tutor who would complete some sort of general report, is that yes. not what we had in mind? -and that general report would be in a sense a summate report or a form tutor report or a er, pupil management report, whatever title +and that general report would be in a sense a summate report or a form tutor report or a er, pupil management report, whatever title mm. it is we're gonna mm. use. mm. so is is that the context of the word report andrew, er, that you're using. -well my feeling was that we had agreed that the parents would sent the subject reports +well my feeling was that we had agreed that the parents would sent the subject reports yeah. where they never have been sent before yes. @@ -71407,139 +71343,139 @@ yeah saying alright, yes that would go as well! -well i think that's certainly -and on that basis i'm not sure we need subject report in -just a report and subject in the box. +well i think that's certainly +and on that basis i'm not sure we need subject report in +just a report and subject in the box. perfect , perfectly logical that! yeah? mm. -but as a necessary +but as a necessary but we would still have a form tutor input i.e. a summation yeah , but some chance for the youngster in a but yo -with records of achievement i.e. -but do you agree that that everybody in each subject should fill in that? +with records of achievement i.e. +but do you agree that that everybody in each subject should fill in that? something like that. oh well wait till you get round to that, we sti really? yes, oh yes, i think that should -i mean, it's a , it's the +i mean, it's a , it's the be summarised in the form of some sort of giving what we're being asked to do we do need to have something that focus on general skills and abilities, we've gotta decide what they are. mm. but, yes, i agree we need something like that. -but the big problem at present is that that form tutors get loads of information sent to them and then they -have to +but the big problem at present is that that form tutors get loads of information sent to them and then they +have to summarise it, and an awful lot of what has been done by the subjects it's wasted, it's just wasted the form teacher! right, if this is going on just keep it! we said the last time, did we not? -that if this is going home then that sort of thing doesn't need to come from a form tutor, other than a sa er a sort of generalised one as well, if you like. +that if this is going home then that sort of thing doesn't need to come from a form tutor, other than a sa er a sort of generalised one as well, if you like. aye, it's the form tutor one needn't mm. -needn't be, i mean once they've got all of this the form tutor one needn't be anything . +needn't be, i mean once they've got all of this the form tutor one needn't be anything . the form tutor can well can build in a lot of good practises that have been built in the the form i se over the years. i'm i'm -i see the form tutor one as being now we've got hold of record of achievement as being part of the developmental process of a record of achievement, now our youngsters know what a personal statement is, form tutors are happier with a joint statement it's taken us four years +i see the form tutor one as being now we've got hold of record of achievement as being part of the developmental process of a record of achievement, now our youngsters know what a personal statement is, form tutors are happier with a joint statement it's taken us four years three or four -three four years to get there but it strikes me that we can actually start moving towards that process, not a full sheet of a personal +three four years to get there but it strikes me that we can actually start moving towards that process, not a full sheet of a personal no. statement, but we can start moving towards a personal statement -you can -right the way across the school so we've actually got a standardised format +you can +right the way across the school so we've actually got a standardised format and everybo everybody's involved in it all the way. and there's still no reason why in that sa er, joint statement that our subject reports no. -to them needn't be a, er a starting point, a key for discussion between +to them needn't be a, er a starting point, a key for discussion between absolutely! the child and the tutor. i mean you could have, if you have basically what we're saying is that you have a whole load of of subject reports and on the top of it you've got form tutor report yes. which is -basically er a summary of -a positive comment, an overall positive comment based on all +basically er a summary of +a positive comment, an overall positive comment based on all su sa the other reports. -summarising wha , the same sort of thing as they're gonna get in the fifth year of the +summarising wha , the same sort of thing as they're gonna get in the fifth year of the that's right! -to build up maybe you know, individual statement, joint statement perhaps on on the sheet +to build up maybe you know, individual statement, joint statement perhaps on on the sheet but it allows mm. in keeping with, it allows that opportunity as you know -as a form tutor, somebody's been on a a a residential weekend +as a form tutor, somebody's been on a a a residential weekend mm. -to include the other things that we've done, so all i'm +to include the other things that we've done, so all i'm trying to say is, it's in keeping with the philosophy of records of achievement. that's right,, yes! their, their, their out of school activities yeah! anything like that. -but but, you should also be be sure that the form tutor pro can clarify things for parents because although, no no matter how hard you try to make this erm, a clear and easily understandable document it's only clear and un easily understandable to us. +but but, you should also be be sure that the form tutor pro can clarify things for parents because although, no no matter how hard you try to make this erm, a clear and easily understandable document it's only clear and un easily understandable to us. yes, but all form tutors are gonna have to become aware of each subject's -cos they're gonna be +cos they're gonna be you know they're gonna be they are -they're gonna be summarising them a all the +they're gonna be summarising them a all the they are. time that's right. and hopefully it's not gonna change! -no, and it'll make it a lot easier for the form tha these are the same format +no, and it'll make it a lot easier for the form tha these are the same format mm. so that they can do that quickly and easily mhm. -and make it easier for the parent to understand whether this is good or bad. +and make it easier for the parent to understand whether this is good or bad. ah yes, it's just gotta the well i don't think, they don't that choose but sometimes that change. -parents have come to me and said so and so's only got a c, it's appalling! -i think , i think that's very well laid out, i think that's quite self explanatory to +parents have come to me and said so and so's only got a c, it's appalling! +i think , i think that's very well laid out, i think that's quite self explanatory to er, for us it is, yes but i think i think it's oh yeah! reasonably clear for parents actually. -i i think one of the other points +i i think one of the other points makes sense. quite a lot of parents. quite a lot of parents. yeah, okay. -one of the other points about it is that it will erm er, in in the minds of the parents the they will see this one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten er being used, poor, satisfactory, excellent and it will get them into the idea of what these levels +one of the other points about it is that it will erm er, in in the minds of the parents the they will see this one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten er being used, poor, satisfactory, excellent and it will get them into the idea of what these levels mm. are. yes. -and they will therefore be able providing it's it's used in that format +and they will therefore be able providing it's it's used in that format oh yeah. it will be able to interpret for them what these numbers mean in the middle bit. mm. mhm. -don, do you envisage the er the general skills and abilities being done by pupils or pupils and staff together or -i thought, i i well, i don't envisage anything but i mean i would of thought that kids could fill it in in pencil and then we do the same as we did before a and and that the staff in some way put in their own. +don, do you envisage the er the general skills and abilities being done by pupils or pupils and staff together or +i thought, i i well, i don't envisage anything but i mean i would of thought that kids could fill it in in pencil and then we do the same as we did before a and and that the staff in some way put in their own. mhm. -ca can we just look at a i don't know which way to to be specific or to look at the general first, can i just -a make some general comments about the, i mean i like that we talked about that before, i like the ten levels +ca can we just look at a i don't know which way to to be specific or to look at the general first, can i just +a make some general comments about the, i mean i like that we talked about that before, i like the ten levels yes. i think we need to bla , talk about what the general skills and abilities are. mm. -i wonder about the pupil comment being divorced from the staff comment i wondered whether they one should follow the other. +i wonder about the pupil comment being divorced from the staff comment i wondered whether they one should follow the other. i would rather not have that on the subject reports but if it's going to be on i for the sake of coherence the comments should be together. -mm you see i i it's it's trying to find the balance isn't it? -i i'm er ah i like to think that the youngsters have actually got some input into the report, i think it's important +mm you see i i it's it's trying to find the balance isn't it? +i i'm er ah i like to think that the youngsters have actually got some input into the report, i think it's important yes, i'm not saying deny that -but at the same time i would want to afford er, you as heads of departments er er everybody's heads of department a little bit of leeway what i what if, what wa wa we have to be careful about this that we set a standard but allow a little leeway because all departments are slightly different and want to approach things +but at the same time i would want to afford er, you as heads of departments er er everybody's heads of department a little bit of leeway what i what if, what wa wa we have to be careful about this that we set a standard but allow a little leeway because all departments are slightly different and want to approach things mm. -slightly differently and what i'm trying to say is i don't want the leeway to weaken the strength of the reporting do you know what i mean? +slightly differently and what i'm trying to say is i don't want the leeway to weaken the strength of the reporting do you know what i mean? yeah. mm. -and if you don't feel that you can fit in a pupil comment, you have to be very careful here because some people will take it as a cop-out and not do it and a that worries me and it has happened and i think it is important that the youngsters are actually given some guidance and the opportunity to do it. +and if you don't feel that you can fit in a pupil comment, you have to be very careful here because some people will take it as a cop-out and not do it and a that worries me and it has happened and i think it is important that the youngsters are actually given some guidance and the opportunity to do it. you're yes. saying you're not in a position to do that in the moment or you wouldn't want @@ -71547,63 +71483,63 @@ no. to do that? no, i'm not saying that, i've have i got the wrong end of the stick? -i'm not saying it like that, what i'm saying is i would pref , yes, i would like them to be involved in it a as far as my subject reports are concerned i would like our reports that we do, we do involve the kids, i pass them out, we discuss them and i'll re-draft but i would not, rather not have their written sample on that piece. +i'm not saying it like that, what i'm saying is i would pref , yes, i would like them to be involved in it a as far as my subject reports are concerned i would like our reports that we do, we do involve the kids, i pass them out, we discuss them and i'll re-draft but i would not, rather not have their written sample on that piece. okay. -i think they get fed up and i don't think that a that language-wise they have the vocabulary in the school to be able to pluck out meaningful comments and you know, and go right across the curriculum there i think +i think they get fed up and i don't think that a that language-wise they have the vocabulary in the school to be able to pluck out meaningful comments and you know, and go right across the curriculum there i think dif let me finish! mm. er, it's difficult for them. -erm, i think you should involve them but i think it'll be preferable if it was one to one with the form tutor i that time and the form tutor has taking an over-view +erm, i think you should involve them but i think it'll be preferable if it was one to one with the form tutor i that time and the form tutor has taking an over-view mhm. and they were taking over-view as well right? -now that's what i'd prefer, but in every, you know the majority go against me and they want it in a as i say i i would, i think that it'd be better placed at the top. +now that's what i'd prefer, but in every, you know the majority go against me and they want it in a as i say i i would, i think that it'd be better placed at the top. guidance? i prefer the pu pupil comment to be honest. you would like the pupils to to make their own written comment in there? -i'd also like the national curriculum levels to come straight underneath course one. +i'd also like the national curriculum levels to come straight underneath course one. yes. you see i felt can we no ,ca yes, comments together. can we just come back to the pupil comment business, one thing at a time for a moment -and can we try and get how people feel +and can we try and get how people feel the reason about whether they want a pupil comment in. -the reason i'd put pu pupil comment where it is, is because so far as i was concerned the top half of that i was gonna, was gonna be filled in by staff it is a report. +the reason i'd put pu pupil comment where it is, is because so far as i was concerned the top half of that i was gonna, was gonna be filled in by staff it is a report. mm. -that's the top part the bottom part is open to negotiation and that's why i've put them altogether at the bottom. +that's the top part the bottom part is open to negotiation and that's why i've put them altogether at the bottom. well mhm. -don the staff comment one could come under the national curriculum levels if you -yeah, you mean out +don the staff comment one could come under the national curriculum levels if you +yeah, you mean out yes. -outline then that +outline then that yeah. bit then staff comment? yes. -can i come back to my original question, which was yo +can i come back to my original question, which was yo pupil comments. you you want pupil comment yes or no? paul? andrew, your thoughts? -yes, if we didn't have pupil comment we would miss some absolute pearls like mr is a lying git! -and, you know only i couldn't live without that! +yes, if we didn't have pupil comment we would miss some absolute pearls like mr is a lying git! +and, you know only i couldn't live without that! what was that word? git! you've convinced me andrew! -was that +was that is that -bet he then! +bet he then! is that, but you has it? but you do have to remember as i say i've got one i'll give you my book later on angela! you do have to remember at the same time that these documents would be going home and aha. -there is a a a level of er oh +there is a a a level of er oh propriety? -yes that when you +yes that when you an appropriateness! yes, that and @@ -71614,36 +71550,36 @@ mm. the parent would have the opportunity of making an appropriate mm. it's not only that but if if if -no, it's not only that -if they if they did this i would it not give them practise at at being able to do the +no, it's not only that +if they if they did this i would it not give them practise at at being able to do the mm. you know, the the report at the end of of, of five years? you know angela's expressed a view. -i'm i'm saying the but not just stage -that's what all +i'm i'm saying the but not just stage +that's what all chaps! -oh, er erm alan, sorry? -erm i'm half and half i i i go along with angela in the main that the the kids in, generally speaking the kids that i've talked to don't want to put their own input a lot of them don't want to because, as angela says, they cannot find the appropriate words and some of the others just write some some stuff that i would look at +oh, er erm alan, sorry? +erm i'm half and half i i i go along with angela in the main that the the kids in, generally speaking the kids that i've talked to don't want to put their own input a lot of them don't want to because, as angela says, they cannot find the appropriate words and some of the others just write some some stuff that i would look at and say i'm, you know i'm not very happy having that written on this. -i've had +i've had but it's science this year. -but with all due respect is some of that not to do with the guidance their receiving from us as teachers? +but with all due respect is some of that not to do with the guidance their receiving from us as teachers? certainly, i i've told you absolutely! i have spent but -a great deal of effort and time in enabling the children to write something meaningful -i i've let it in +a great deal of effort and time in enabling the children to write something meaningful +i i've let it in sure you know im im improve their english language. sure. okay, paul? surely we've working -from er statement banks for pupils for quite a long time and why +from er statement banks for pupils for quite a long time and why can we -can't we, why can't we be picking out guiding, guidance as far everything +can't we, why can't we be picking out guiding, guidance as far everything alright, i should be i don't have to look, if i can just @@ -71651,24 +71587,24 @@ it's all mechanistic to say that! i don't have to look it's all what? mechanistic you know -mechanistic -oh yes i feel oh stop ! -i don't have to look too far back in there when we started this whole process, four or five years of throwing it all up in the air to say that i felt every pupil could comment in some way, something that they had enjoyed, something they felt they'd been successful at, something they felt they found difficult, something that had pleased them, surely every child could comment on wo , if it's just one of those things +mechanistic +oh yes i feel oh stop ! +i don't have to look too far back in there when we started this whole process, four or five years of throwing it all up in the air to say that i felt every pupil could comment in some way, something that they had enjoyed, something they felt they'd been successful at, something they felt they found difficult, something that had pleased them, surely every child could comment on wo , if it's just one of those things wha but i it has then and that's on every subject, that's the what angela's, the point no. angela's making -yes +yes i think it it be it becomes repetitive -they they get a +they they get a yeah. bit sick of this yeah. you know! yo your -it becomes stale, they say i like this it was good! +it becomes stale, they say i like this it was good! yes, i i i i and things like that. but is that not part of our job to get them to think and ? @@ -71676,21 +71612,21 @@ yes, absolutely, i agree with you! obviously i agree with you that we should be putting the kids in challenging situations where that they've gotta rise to the occasion and use language in an effective way, but i don't know whether this is the best way, these er er er, you know, a series of how much space of you got? whereas, if they were involved in the end where they sat with the form teacher mhm. -read the lot, i mean, look what they doing language-wise, they're reading, they're evaluating, they're projecting i mean,the that, they're doing quite complicated things there, and also hopefully there will be enough space where they have the opportunity to put something that is meaningful and they're involved in the dialogue with the form +read the lot, i mean, look what they doing language-wise, they're reading, they're evaluating, they're projecting i mean,the that, they're doing quite complicated things there, and also hopefully there will be enough space where they have the opportunity to put something that is meaningful and they're involved in the dialogue with the form right. teacher. paul? -i i, for pupil comment you could ea , quite easily have a joint statement there, or a joint comment whereby the +i i, for pupil comment you could ea , quite easily have a joint statement there, or a joint comment whereby the or just statement. there's no or just real reason why comments. -once a year that er a subject teacher and a pupil cannot sit down an and come up with a +once a year that er a subject teacher and a pupil cannot sit down an and come up with a could -i take sometime. +i take sometime. could we get round with that? -could we get round that by, instead of saying staff comment and pupil comment make the space +could we get round that by, instead of saying staff comment and pupil comment make the space join them. slightly larger and just say just say @@ -71705,7 +71641,7 @@ but i have to put back to you that the onus then falls on you and head's of depa oh it will be. okay. yes,that will. -and i have to say my experience it leaves me to doubt, i know i'm a cynic sometimes, that the space will not be used effectively and +and i have to say my experience it leaves me to doubt, i know i'm a cynic sometimes, that the space will not be used effectively and well because people get under pressure and it's oh christ i ain't got time so i won't bother! i'm sorry @@ -71717,23 +71653,23 @@ mm. unfair! erm, i think that is unfair we -rod, yes i agree with don, i think if you look at er what the work has gone in er in the fifth year for the last two or three years and the way that subject teachers are now approaching ranks of achievement i don't see yes it's . +rod, yes i agree with don, i think if you look at er what the work has gone in er in the fifth year for the last two or three years and the way that subject teachers are now approaching ranks of achievement i don't see yes it's . it's not a process wi , that's not a valid comparison in the sense that in no? fifth, in fifth year and year eleven it's a different ball game altogether. -but why shouldn't staff put the same process into operation lower down the school? +but why shouldn't staff put the same process into operation lower down the school? i think beca i think because some don't actually transfer the skill, if i might, say that. yes but i mean, in some cases i've gotta say in some cases it is inappropriate to make a lot of comments with mhm. -a lot of pupils you are giving a lot of information +a lot of pupils you are giving a lot of information mm. here and here on the pupil mm. -in some cases it may be appropriate but if you're forcing people to make comments just because there's a space to do it +in some cases it may be appropriate but if you're forcing people to make comments just because there's a space to do it mm. -then it loses a lot of it's values, yes. +then it loses a lot of it's values, yes. right. -but can't we think about re-phrasing that so we get this idea of this joint statement, some sort of dialogue on +but can't we think about re-phrasing that so we get this idea of this joint statement, some sort of dialogue on okay. on there. co , more comments then? @@ -71742,9 +71678,9 @@ i think that's a point to pick up on actually. mm, i andrew? on this? -i'm never never one for for making work but on an a on although this isn't going to be called an annual report for most children it will be an annual event and i do feel quite strongly that for the child to be able to have the opportunity +i'm never never one for for making work but on an a on although this isn't going to be called an annual report for most children it will be an annual event and i do feel quite strongly that for the child to be able to have the opportunity mhm. -of doing this and the opportunity is one where they are told to do and they will not miss the opportunity. +of doing this and the opportunity is one where they are told to do and they will not miss the opportunity. well they're gonna is be told to do that when they're doing this bit aren't they? @@ -71754,26 +71690,26 @@ mm. at this bit and tick these boxes yes, but ticky boxes, and expressing themselves in other yeah but -ways the ways perhaps that are not +ways the ways perhaps that are not sticky! -erm you know the, what they wish to express is not available on the +erm you know the, what they wish to express is not available on the mm. -ticky boxes erm -that sho sho should be there. -i know that our children by enlarge er their vocabulary doesn't extend to erm what er, polysyllabic words which which might really sum up for an adult what they've been going through, how they've enjoyed it but what is the terrible form we had last year in seventh year, was it seven g ? +ticky boxes erm +that sho sho should be there. +i know that our children by enlarge er their vocabulary doesn't extend to erm what er, polysyllabic words which which might really sum up for an adult what they've been going through, how they've enjoyed it but what is the terrible form we had last year in seventh year, was it seven g ? yeah. -erm, george and i had that class shared between us, he took them for an hour a week and i did and i if there is a class that any of us had ever taken that would be unlikely to be able to write something meaningful of this kind +erm, george and i had that class shared between us, he took them for an hour a week and i did and i if there is a class that any of us had ever taken that would be unlikely to be able to write something meaningful of this kind mhm. -that would be the class and yet they all did cos george and i insisted! +that would be the class and yet they all did cos george and i insisted! but we helped them by suggesting mm. -words and er, they didn't lose it they, they they they went along with it and they, they actually, some came +words and er, they didn't lose it they, they they they went along with it and they, they actually, some came yeah. -up with some quite good descriptive language with some aesthetic terminology which we guided them with, but we didn't put the words in their mouths +up with some quite good descriptive language with some aesthetic terminology which we guided them with, but we didn't put the words in their mouths mm. -each one came out as a very personalised and individualistic comment which reflected that child. +each one came out as a very personalised and individualistic comment which reflected that child. mm. -some of them very negative, and how much they hated doing what they'd been made to do er, and others very surprisingly made it known that they had thoroughly enjoyed it. +some of them very negative, and how much they hated doing what they'd been made to do er, and others very surprisingly made it known that they had thoroughly enjoyed it. erm, but the , they were totally honest they didn't feel mm. made to do anything else. @@ -71785,14 +71721,14 @@ mm. and i hadn't enjoyed it ! maybe that's why they enjoyed it andrew? mm. -perhaps it was , in fact, one or two of them said, you know we like ripping the +perhaps it was , in fact, one or two of them said, you know we like ripping the piss out of mr ! i think you've also gotta look at it from the kid's point of view and perhaps i'm wrong here but, you know when you think, i mean,the these are going to be done very, you know er i i we got a sort of time limit, and kids are going to be told during perhaps a two week period mm. right, science, right come on then let's get down to this! -then they'll now go into a maths lesson let's go into this, they're gonna perhaps do that eight times, then they're gonna get a breather, then a few days time after that the form teacher's saying right, let's do it again and summarise it, i think it's too much! -right, well i i part of me says,the the there are two aspects, the other side of the coin a little bit, if we talk about recording achievement and not recording failure, we here have an opportunity to point out to youngsters, encourage youngsters in that they are all capable of achieving in some way and to get them to write down that they have achieved, that's the other side of the coin. -i know it happens in individual subjects and there's the element of repetition but, you are at the same time making them reflect over a certain period and say i have not entirely wasted my time, there maybe some youngsters for whom it will be extremely difficult, and i except that but my thinking is that is you look hard enough you can find something that everybody has done at whatever level that they can take some pride in. +then they'll now go into a maths lesson let's go into this, they're gonna perhaps do that eight times, then they're gonna get a breather, then a few days time after that the form teacher's saying right, let's do it again and summarise it, i think it's too much! +right, well i i part of me says,the the there are two aspects, the other side of the coin a little bit, if we talk about recording achievement and not recording failure, we here have an opportunity to point out to youngsters, encourage youngsters in that they are all capable of achieving in some way and to get them to write down that they have achieved, that's the other side of the coin. +i know it happens in individual subjects and there's the element of repetition but, you are at the same time making them reflect over a certain period and say i have not entirely wasted my time, there maybe some youngsters for whom it will be extremely difficult, and i except that but my thinking is that is you look hard enough you can find something that everybody has done at whatever level that they can take some pride in. aha, and they can do that in the summary! i agree with you but they can achieve that in a different form, if that's your purpose it doesn't need to be achieved like this. yes. @@ -71807,29 +71743,29 @@ well it's go , it's all going to be there in the reports and surely the kids are no it won't be on if if we use this as the document reports. for science -no i don't mm, yeah. +no i don't mm, yeah. we're immediately saying now, well we need another sheet of paper because the information no! that we're talking about -no do that, right? +no do that, right? that's the only thing that's gonna be off, okay? -and then we as the form teacher sits why can't the kids look at the reports as well? -but will the form teacher be able to do as you would do in english and say, but look when you did that written piece on so and so it was goo, the form teacher will not have that detailed knowledge that you will have -we'll give the kids some prompts you know, what have you enjoyed? -what have bla bla bla +and then we as the form teacher sits why can't the kids look at the reports as well? +but will the form teacher be able to do as you would do in english and say, but look when you did that written piece on so and so it was goo, the form teacher will not have that detailed knowledge that you will have +we'll give the kids some prompts you know, what have you enjoyed? +what have bla bla bla angela i would have thought er and involve that in part of the programme, you know, where they're, where they're involved in the whole report and assessment. for for si for the six subjects? angela form teacher wouldn't have time to do that! no, no you do i'm not making myself clear! -that's why it should be done in the +that's why it should be done in the no. no, what i'm suggesting is lesson. -that the kids erm as an alternative, the kids could get some help on how to, look at all the reports and extract a couple of positive statements that's what the emphasis should be, not that he's a git! +that the kids erm as an alternative, the kids could get some help on how to, look at all the reports and extract a couple of positive statements that's what the emphasis should be, not that he's a git! right? -no nothing on that, that sort of line but you +no nothing on that, that sort of line but you i think you're taking one example there actually angela! i think you're interrupting a @@ -71839,7 +71775,7 @@ yes, i am. positive statements right and they need a little bit of help on how to do that and then make some sort of generalised positive comment about themselves, that's what i mean. mm. so -or , or if that, if you disagree with that well, put pupil comment there, hyphen or whatever upon but lead that on, give them a bit of a leader into it. +or , or if that, if you disagree with that well, put pupil comment there, hyphen or whatever upon but lead that on, give them a bit of a leader into it. mhm. can i summarise? go on then. @@ -71850,10 +71786,10 @@ i think we are! could i, could i make a suggestion? no, that's important. could i make a suggestion? -taking into account everything everybody said the formats as it is, course outline after course outline goes your individual bit, right? +taking into account everything everybody said the formats as it is, course outline after course outline goes your individual bit, right? subject, but national curriculum levels on this one yeah. -sta sta staff comment comes out of there and that bit goes up then you have general skills and abilities and then below that you have a wider box which just says comments which will include a staff comment and may include a pupil comment as well cos because it's signed by both at the bottom. +sta sta staff comment comes out of there and that bit goes up then you have general skills and abilities and then below that you have a wider box which just says comments which will include a staff comment and may include a pupil comment as well cos because it's signed by both at the bottom. can i just check what you were saying there? so, take the staff comment from there and instead of putting staff down put a generalised comment on this? just put instead of having staff comment and pupil comment, you got one box, comment. @@ -71864,67 +71800,67 @@ comments. so that that would that comes out -instead of being there +instead of being there can i have a word please? mm mm. it's down there. paul? -i'd like, i think as it is at the moment is erm is superb! +i'd like, i think as it is at the moment is erm is superb! and i think, instead of pupil comment it should be some sort of joint say. but i think that's perfectly adequate. -and i think kids should be encouraged to erm think about themselves rather than just tick boxes and i think er, er er a group of sentences down here written by the form teacher, by the subject teacher and the pupil erm, as it's been done for about, for a few years, a good habit to get the kids into, erm especially as a record of achievement should start from year seven. +and i think kids should be encouraged to erm think about themselves rather than just tick boxes and i think er, er er a group of sentences down here written by the form teacher, by the subject teacher and the pupil erm, as it's been done for about, for a few years, a good habit to get the kids into, erm especially as a record of achievement should start from year seven. mm. can i just ask then, if you're saying to be it should be a joint statement, but you mm. -think that format's alright, is that not a contradiction because if it's a joint statement and this format's alright you've got staff comment divorced from pupil comment? -i want the staff comment and i want the, a joint statement at the at the bottom. +think that format's alright, is that not a contradiction because if it's a joint statement and this format's alright you've got staff comment divorced from pupil comment? +i want the staff comment and i want the, a joint statement at the at the bottom. but i want your opinion, i mean the sa , the the staff comment is going to be well you do exactly repetition! -you do exactly the same on the erm on the record of achievement don't you? -you've got a a staff comment and then you have er a pupil comment which is really +you do exactly the same on the erm on the record of achievement don't you? +you've got a a staff comment and then you have er a pupil comment which is really well written in as a no. joint sort of -no no you have a pupil statement personal +no no you have a pupil statement personal in the statement. -in the sa in the form, in the form when the form teacher does it. +in the sa in the form, in the form when the form teacher does it. you have a personal statement then the joint statement. you don't have a staff comment and a joint statement. but the staff comment is in the statement i , in the subject specific. mm. right. -so you wo you would like to have it in a format similar to the the very final +so you wo you would like to have it in a format similar to the the very final yes. thing that they're aiming at so yeah. -they get used to the format? +they get used to the format? mm. -that's sounds very reasonable but i i er i i ha not having been at the level, form tutor +that's sounds very reasonable but i i er i i ha not having been at the level, form tutor mm. -but er you know +but er you know yeah, i think for some years, i've never done one of those. i take what paul's saying, i think i'm not really with it. -i think there's a scale element cos we're talking one sheet here and it's a it's a much bigger exercise. +i think there's a scale element cos we're talking one sheet here and it's a it's a much bigger exercise. okay right. but i i i agree what you're saying, it's very valid. guidance then paul? -can , yeah, can we can we vote on whether we're going to improve pupil comment? +can , yeah, can we can we vote on whether we're going to improve pupil comment? and then when that's decided let's decide well let's upon the format. get dead clear about what it is we're go actually gonna vote on right. -because it's we've gone a bi -on the +because it's we've gone a bi +on the a bit round the houses. either in principle -am i right in saying then i i is the first thing we need to agree on whether we're gonna have a staff comment, and a pupil comment on there is tha , is that the first decision? +am i right in saying then i i is the first thing we need to agree on whether we're gonna have a staff comment, and a pupil comment on there is tha , is that the first decision? i think everybody's in agreement about staff aren't they? there's no question about staff comment on there? no. @@ -71935,21 +71871,21 @@ everybody accepts there should be a staff comment on. er, okay and it's sold! fair enough, well, that's the point i was making. -the the the in order to get by pupils writing these er rather immature things that they write on the +the the the in order to get by pupils writing these er rather immature things that they write on the mm. -bottom of these reports why can't you make it into a a pu er er a a joint teacher pupil comment, it isn't just a, it isn't in the same form it's just the same that the pupil writes that with guidance +bottom of these reports why can't you make it into a a pu er er a a joint teacher pupil comment, it isn't just a, it isn't in the same form it's just the same that the pupil writes that with guidance with teacher guidance, sitting next to the teacher. -i think we're losing track of what this actually is paul, there are, you're trying to do two things at once what you're trying to do, i think is use it as a learning process for children but this is an annual report for parents and i think that part of it a at least surely must be a report by the sa member of staff, by the department on how the child has done, by the member staff. -by all means give the, give the kid a chance to, to put his side of the story if you like, but there must be er +i think we're losing track of what this actually is paul, there are, you're trying to do two things at once what you're trying to do, i think is use it as a learning process for children but this is an annual report for parents and i think that part of it a at least surely must be a report by the sa member of staff, by the department on how the child has done, by the member staff. +by all means give the, give the kid a chance to, to put his side of the story if you like, but there must be er well we've got all that there haven't we? right. yep. yeah? i know. -the the form that we have currently the er sta statements are they called at the moment? +the the form that we have currently the er sta statements are they called at the moment? yeah. erm, i know that the way that i do it every time -it looks rather like a is what we use? +it looks rather like a is what we use? is that the one you want as a form tutor? er, it's subject oh. @@ -71959,7 +71895,7 @@ er one? yes, it is there. yeah. -er, the comment here the way that i have been used to doing these i found that i i like it and the kids can +er, the comment here the way that i have been used to doing these i found that i i like it and the kids can you write yours and they write theirs? i i invariably do write something @@ -71969,16 +71905,16 @@ and the kid invariably writes something down. well that's what i suggested ten minutes ago! and i like that form. yes. -whilst you've suggested everybody else has a right to their opinion and doesn't make yours the solution! +whilst you've suggested everybody else has a right to their opinion and doesn't make yours the solution! and i think having, as a separate issue, the staff comment as a ! -a separate box er, you know, er is is is not necessarily appropriate. -sometimes, if the child writes in there first i say, i concur with what so and so has said, well done or something like that. +a separate box er, you know, er is is is not necessarily appropriate. +sometimes, if the child writes in there first i say, i concur with what so and so has said, well done or something like that. would -sometimes the child isn't really very good at writing and i will write something encouraging and the kid says i have liked my art well, yeah +sometimes the child isn't really very good at writing and i will write something encouraging and the kid says i have liked my art well, yeah can i, can i that's all they can do -can i then put to you +can i then put to you in fairness. i think, what don's saying is it's got differentiation though. @@ -71988,17 +71924,17 @@ that we have a, differentiation he said,differenti differentiation. we have a differentiation. -comment area when we, these go out there would be guidance which would say their staff must make their comment in that space +comment area when we, these go out there would be guidance which would say their staff must make their comment in that space yeah. -how the other part of space is used could be left to individual departments on the basis that +how the other part of space is used could be left to individual departments on the basis that of discretion. -discretion or it is hoped that pupils would be afforded the opportunity to make their own, if +discretion or it is hoped that pupils would be afforded the opportunity to make their own, if involved in the process. you wish so, they must certainly be involved in the process yes. -or it could be an agreed joint statement and written by the member of staff. +or it could be an agreed joint statement and written by the member of staff. whichever way you are. -oh yeah. +oh yeah. so it allows so what does that mean? what you're saying is @@ -72014,32 +71950,32 @@ well comments by who? well comments and statement? -well, if you put comments and +well, if you put comments and mm. a me a member of staff writes the comment and signs it it's obvious who -has written the comment, i.e. the member of staff has written it, you could then have something underneath if you wish to, that is the pupil's, that will be obviously the pupil's from the different writing, or the style of the writing er or you could open it up with we have agreed, if you wish to one make it a joint +has written the comment, i.e. the member of staff has written it, you could then have something underneath if you wish to, that is the pupil's, that will be obviously the pupil's from the different writing, or the style of the writing er or you could open it up with we have agreed, if you wish to one make it a joint aha. statement. aha. -and we would put that down as basic guidance to staff when +and we would put that down as basic guidance to staff when completing reports. yes. yes, yeah. -in other words it leaves the format open to the department concerned? +in other words it leaves the format open to the department concerned? let the cat in alan but -would you and i'll get the food, i'm a bloody expert cats +would you and i'll get the food, i'm a bloody expert cats and that's, sorry, and they acted immediately there. ! terry, thoughts? i mean, we've not sort of included you -no i've i mean, i know that in the primary schools nowadays they do allow, or do let the ki the children actually write their own reports as well. +no i've i mean, i know that in the primary schools nowadays they do allow, or do let the ki the children actually write their own reports as well. mm. -cos they're actually coming up from +cos they're actually coming up from this year mm. i mean, they -it's the records of achievement. +it's the records of achievement. so they're doing it from the age of possibly eight or nine some people, certainly down right the way through mm. the bottom of the school. @@ -72050,12 +71986,12 @@ what somebody said that the, sometimes the pupil's comments are kind of as andre yes. it's not the sort of things that but -you wanna see on a on a +you wanna see on a on a yeah. -on a report, on a +on a report, on a but i mean but with guidance -yeah, yeah +yeah, yeah you see i that's right! i agree with what you're saying but when i've done it before and involved the pupil in such a report i put it on a separate sheet, so that @@ -72065,13 +72001,13 @@ yeah well that's what the primary school's done. ma , this is prior to all this you see yes. yes. -and we had all this we've got +and we had all this we've got ha i have to go along here some, to some of you with a bossy statement of you know, this inclusive as opposed yeah. to exclusive bit mm. mm. -and it allows the opportuni it affords the opportunity to be inclusive and i think that's important. +and it allows the opportuni it affords the opportunity to be inclusive and i think that's important. well a po what about the reverse? sorry? put it on the reverse of the sheet. @@ -72091,7 +72027,7 @@ they should be thinking about it right from the word go. oh absolutely! yeah. absolutely! -as long it is joint, i mean there's no way that yo that you could have something sent home to parents +as long it is joint, i mean there's no way that yo that you could have something sent home to parents right, with a kid's comment, maths is crap! you know , yeah @@ -72099,11 +72035,11 @@ you know you would tear it up wouldn't you? ye well i would, yes. yes! but so and lo , on the other hand though i'd -but i i go on sorry paul +but i i go on sorry paul a lot of the the statements these kids make are quite reasonable, well written comments yes! mm. -so wha what andy's done, and what other people have done have pitted, picked out a few great examples, but i would say that erm the majority are quite reasonable comments, if, if perhaps a little bit simple at times, i don't know. +so wha what andy's done, and what other people have done have pitted, picked out a few great examples, but i would say that erm the majority are quite reasonable comments, if, if perhaps a little bit simple at times, i don't know. does seem . andrew? i would , i would tend to say the majority aren't, aren't interested in their, in their own comments. @@ -72113,14 +72049,14 @@ that depe , a lot of, sorry rod! a lot of that depends on on the, on the staff input mhm. mhm. -and how they motivate +and how they motivate in school the kids, as andrew has pointed out that, as as he and george operate. -last comment from andrew and then we move on cos we've got a a an agreement in in what we're gonna put in, we haven't got an agreement as to where we're gonna put it but andrew comment? -well i'm prepared to say th th that i that i think that we do do good practice in that we do sit down with the children and help them, each individual along with the with our joint statements. -never the less, it is the child speaking we don't put the words into their mouths and as such when they speak and when they write it down, it's one of the, possibly one of the few chances of having primary evidence of how the child is at er, writing er, on an official document +last comment from andrew and then we move on cos we've got a a an agreement in in what we're gonna put in, we haven't got an agreement as to where we're gonna put it but andrew comment? +well i'm prepared to say th th that i that i think that we do do good practice in that we do sit down with the children and help them, each individual along with the with our joint statements. +never the less, it is the child speaking we don't put the words into their mouths and as such when they speak and when they write it down, it's one of the, possibly one of the few chances of having primary evidence of how the child is at er, writing er, on an official document mm. -er, progressing through the years i doubt whether samples of the child's work are kept officially in any other form or anywhere else +er, progressing through the years i doubt whether samples of the child's work are kept officially in any other form or anywhere else they are. their handwriting and so on. they are. @@ -72134,12 +72070,12 @@ a central mm. easily accessible yeah, that's fair enough. -by anybody form so, here we have each year, six examples of the child's writing and thought processes and opinions at least, well i, i said six because i ca don't really know how many subjects a child will be taking or writing for +by anybody form so, here we have each year, six examples of the child's writing and thought processes and opinions at least, well i, i said six because i ca don't really know how many subjects a child will be taking or writing for mm. but it is primary evidence and i think as primary evidence it has an extra value to the child's records, and to the school's records, over and beyond what mm. we have ever had or thought about, practically. -on the other hand each time they get a report they're going to have ten pieces or their work on each report +on the other hand each time they get a report they're going to have ten pieces or their work on each report right! which i'd never have thought. tha , that is what,i isn't that what i just said? @@ -72155,27 +72091,27 @@ well once a year but they never yeah. have to be a little parcel won't it? because we need to go through that -an example +an example summation joint statement process. can we run through this again then so we right. can decide? -let's come back to it then, so we've agreed a basic heading, although we need to play with that a bit, name, year tick indicates end of end of key stage +let's come back to it then, so we've agreed a basic heading, although we need to play with that a bit, name, year tick indicates end of end of key stage ooh mm! no, i'm not too sure about that! we well -yeah ,tha that that's just +yeah ,tha that that's just let's just leave it for the moment , let's just leave it for the moment. -course outline i think we're all agreed, should be at the top er, that is important we've now agreed a heading and comment we've got a e enough agreement that says that, it will be just called comment, but guidelines will need to be produced to go to staff erm -rod, is that national curriculum levels or is that staff comment after course outline just there? +course outline i think we're all agreed, should be at the top er, that is important we've now agreed a heading and comment we've got a e enough agreement that says that, it will be just called comment, but guidelines will need to be produced to go to staff erm +rod, is that national curriculum levels or is that staff comment after course outline just there? well that's what i want to get from you now if i can. oh sorry! carry on. -we've agreed comment, where would the comment be placed, given that, i think we all agree we want national curriculum area in, we need a general skills and abilities in, where would the comment be situated, at the bottom underneath everything, between the two or what? +we've agreed comment, where would the comment be placed, given that, i think we all agree we want national curriculum area in, we need a general skills and abilities in, where would the comment be situated, at the bottom underneath everything, between the two or what? a at the end of the main staff input. yes. -so that should go there. +so that should go there. so are you saying with the suggestion so as it sits now between national curriculum @@ -72189,22 +72125,22 @@ so i would between national curriculum levels and general skills and abilities as it sits at the moment? yes. mhm. -course outline national curriculum levels, staff comment. -erm i would differ er, with that opinion because i would say that the comment as a joint comment would erm have to deal with the general skills and abilities +course outline national curriculum levels, staff comment. +erm i would differ er, with that opinion because i would say that the comment as a joint comment would erm have to deal with the general skills and abilities mm , oh yeah. -which the child er erm, generally speaking does with, they're getting teacher guidance. +which the child er erm, generally speaking does with, they're getting teacher guidance. so, the comment, joint statement which refers to what? will be about everything, not just the top bit but would include comment of the whole for that. -right, i i'm sorry i didn't understand i thought that you +right, i i'm sorry i didn't understand i thought that you that's okay. that was gonna be a se separate no. staff no. if it's a joint comment, yes it should go at the end. -so com wi th but we've agreed, i'm sorry if i'm being repetitive and boring and the rest of it but comment, there would be a staff comment, how you use the rest of the space, assume there's a double space is now left with you given the guidelines are issued. +so com wi th but we've agreed, i'm sorry if i'm being repetitive and boring and the rest of it but comment, there would be a staff comment, how you use the rest of the space, assume there's a double space is now left with you given the guidelines are issued. well we're gonna say staff comment are we? are we? no, it would just be comments. @@ -72236,7 +72172,7 @@ it'll be as a space. okay. so and is this, are are the i know this again -just minor, but if the staff produces a comment are they going to sign that and also sign the bottom or are we just gonna leave it that the parent will be able say +just minor, but if the staff produces a comment are they going to sign that and also sign the bottom or are we just gonna leave it that the parent will be able say i think it's pretty obvious who's written what. that's what i'm saying! well is it? @@ -72258,13 +72194,13 @@ on the report. right, okay. but it does, you are not precluded from allowing a youngster to write on a report. i'm i'm er er being a little naughty and trying to steer a middle road, if you like -in other words it could be correct me if i'm wrong -i, what i don't, if andrew obviously feels he's got a strong process that suits him and i don't want to knock that on the head. +in other words it could be correct me if i'm wrong +i, what i don't, if andrew obviously feels he's got a strong process that suits him and i don't want to knock that on the head. alan, i'm sorry if i'm sort of trying to put you at the end and continue and i i don't intend it like that. i don't mind, i just know alan exactly where i stand on this! -well alan sort of has a feeling that he doesn't want that to happen and i want to fi , i, what i don't like, i i mean i go , personally i go with andrew's feeling but i don't want, so i don't want to exclude that again +well alan sort of has a feeling that he doesn't want that to happen and i want to fi , i, what i don't like, i i mean i go , personally i go with andrew's feeling but i don't want, so i don't want to exclude that again mm. i want, i want if i want to do both. @@ -72272,7 +72208,7 @@ to afford the opportunity i at the same time, there are people who sit in the middle ground mm. -and i think it's perhaps important to start with that we go with something that's a little bit open-ended that we can review in a years time er, perhaps a little bit later and say well look we have shown that we can do it valuably er the proof is in the pudding, it now beholds everybody to do it this way. +and i think it's perhaps important to start with that we go with something that's a little bit open-ended that we can review in a years time er, perhaps a little bit later and say well look we have shown that we can do it valuably er the proof is in the pudding, it now beholds everybody to do it this way. yes. is is that, is that reasonable? yeah? @@ -72284,16 +72220,16 @@ er, well i i don't want you to feel that that er maths department no, i'm not saying don't want no. -pupils involved because every piece of work that a kid does is discussed with the pupil the only thing that i was a little wary about was a pupil actually putting down mr is +pupils involved because every piece of work that a kid does is discussed with the pupil the only thing that i was a little wary about was a pupil actually putting down mr is right. -a so and so, er maths is crap and so on and you know, that's that's going to make this into something that we wouldn't want +a so and so, er maths is crap and so on and you know, that's that's going to make this into something that we wouldn't want right, i i i'm i'm anyone to go, you know to see. -i do apo i wasn't trying to put you as the bad boy on that end of the continual, i wasn't alan, i'm +i do apo i wasn't trying to put you as the bad boy on that end of the continual, i wasn't alan, i'm no. we could be here for about he's a bad boy ! -so, so we're saying that there will be a staff comment, then there maybe nothing else or there maybe a pupil comment or there maybe a joint statement? +so, so we're saying that there will be a staff comment, then there maybe nothing else or there maybe a pupil comment or there maybe a joint statement? mm. that's right. that's right. @@ -72302,7 +72238,7 @@ staff comment followed by one it's very vague though innit? no. well it's not! -so we'll leave it and down three formats possible. +so we'll leave it and down three formats possible. mm. and that's going at the bottom we're saying there right? mhm. @@ -72316,7 +72252,7 @@ mhm. mhm. are you gonna issue guidelines or just leave it? yep. -no, there will be guidelines and you're in the know anyway so you'd be telling at your curriculum area meetings, you'd be saying +no, there will be guidelines and you're in the know anyway so you'd be telling at your curriculum area meetings, you'd be saying cascade as opposed to cascade @@ -72327,13 +72263,13 @@ cascade! cascade! but you're not going you're no , not the sweat pouring off my brow! -no, but you're not going to you're just gonna leave it open? +no, but you're not going to you're just gonna leave it open? yeah, for the reasons that i've said to you're going to we can evaluate it later on a okay. -without you know, having to -well it's not that open because we're saying there must be some staff something written by staff +without you know, having to +well it's not that open because we're saying there must be some staff something written by staff yeah. or are we not? oh yes we are aren't we? @@ -72344,14 +72280,14 @@ something there is then an option after that and involve the child. as to whether it's a joint -and involve them they must be involved mustn't they? -i i'm sorry i just take that as automatic, i don't even think about it any more. +and involve them they must be involved mustn't they? +i i'm sorry i just take that as automatic, i don't even think about it any more. i think you should write that down okay, that means pupils well must be involved in in some form i i do and i don't that's your job is, can i be naughty, it's your job as cacs to insist that that's happening. so you would advise, rod that, you would -i i, no it's go er er youngsters are involved in it, i mean that's just my assumption, it's our rationale, well it +i i, no it's go er er youngsters are involved in it, i mean that's just my assumption, it's our rationale, well it at the moment. i don't know where the rationale is but it's written i'm @@ -72366,13 +72302,13 @@ mm. by? exactly! mm. -yes, but there is still the the the thought that a me , i'm sorry ! +yes, but there is still the the the thought that a me , i'm sorry ! a a a member of staff may feel that they want to say something about a kid, and it does not necessarily have to agree with what the kid here here! that's right. -you know, i mean, i might be saying jimmy has wasted his time this year +you know, i mean, i might be saying jimmy has wasted his time this year oh yeah! -then he will have under me have to say, jimmy does not agree with this +then he will have under me have to say, jimmy does not agree with this yes. he feels, and so on, but there has got to be something that is obvious staff comment. er @@ -72383,7 +72319,7 @@ that the kids don't agree with you say jimmy i think it's this the i sa i put my reasons forward -because jimmy could then sign that +because jimmy could then sign that and they're, they're they're still involved aren't they? aye? disagreement's involvement @@ -72392,23 +72328,23 @@ isn't it? yeah, i'm i mean the number of times, alan, i've read quite a few got your facts right! -i've come across we agree er, or jimmy feels now once somebody writes jimmy feels it's, it's almost intrinsic that, is that the word i want? +i've come across we agree er, or jimmy feels now once somebody writes jimmy feels it's, it's almost intrinsic that, is that the word i want? that, there is da , yeah it's a word, there is disagreement. i might be to you but it's this is going to a parent! yes. i i i'd agree with alan, i'd yeah, that's right. -i don't see that that pu that the the staff comment, which is gonna be the first thing need have anything to do with the child at all there is ample place +i don't see that that pu that the the staff comment, which is gonna be the first thing need have anything to do with the child at all there is ample place oh if you think within shoot that man! jesus christ! -well in the sense that they've been involved in it. +well in the sense that they've been involved in it. no no but the i don't they need to be involved in it whatsoever! -they've read what you've said and then say well i don't agree with that and you can write down that. +they've read what you've said and then say well i don't agree with that and you can write down that. absolutely! a staff comment is but surely that is involvement, i'm not understanding what you're putting forward! @@ -72419,7 +72355,7 @@ if i've got to write a comment for a start what sort of weasel word then? then i want to write a comment, i will not necessarily involve the child with no. -what i'm writing he will +what i'm writing he will er then see that, or he will have mm. @@ -72440,29 +72376,29 @@ yes. mhm. we're agreed then. okay -might not agree with this -i i i think we've i think we've covered that. +might not agree with this +i i i think we've i think we've covered that. right. -i think we've flushed that one haven't we? +i think we've flushed that one haven't we? well i think so well there you are! -i mean i don't know how you +i mean i don't know how you it's hard work this isn't it? i need some tea ! anyone need a cup of tea i i think -on the ! +on the ! it's only half past two! we've only been here three quarters of an hour ! well we've got ten pages to do, we're only half way through the first page man ! -no, we haven't , no we haven't we we're okay because +no, we haven't , no we haven't we we're okay because that have been there for years haven't they? but it does need cleari , unless we get some sort of consensus, and it behove you to say look this is it's my belief but there are beliefs, i mean it does behove you to present yes! -what other departments feel to your to your people, because wha , you do have to be careful about the indoctrination, this is what i believe so it's right, we've gotta we do have to strike a balance. -i mean i've got my own thoughts, i have to be careful here that you know i've got to try and pull together what you think because at the end of the day it's it's very important that it reflects the way we work in school, not the way i perceive i we work in in school because you're the people at the chalk first. -i think a , that there's another point that we should all remember and that is that it shouldn't just be our opinion either, we are sort of told from high certain things +what other departments feel to your to your people, because wha , you do have to be careful about the indoctrination, this is what i believe so it's right, we've gotta we do have to strike a balance. +i mean i've got my own thoughts, i have to be careful here that you know i've got to try and pull together what you think because at the end of the day it's it's very important that it reflects the way we work in school, not the way i perceive i we work in in school because you're the people at the chalk first. +i think a , that there's another point that we should all remember and that is that it shouldn't just be our opinion either, we are sort of told from high certain things by who? that we have to do in a certain way, in a certain format and certain things have got to be included and we've got to take that in hand as well. but we've done that in the brief that we've we've worked on. @@ -72476,8 +72412,8 @@ i think haven't we? but after what she said sorry , i'm being defensive, sorry! mm. -right so we got staff comment, it will either be a pupil er, statement written by the member of staff or written by the pupil themselves or a joint statement, they were the three -or no on both. +right so we got staff comment, it will either be a pupil er, statement written by the member of staff or written by the pupil themselves or a joint statement, they were the three +or no on both. on all three. i it will be staff did we alter it? @@ -72489,11 +72425,11 @@ but they're going to be no comment. see. right, we will make, move progress. -thank you for that, er it's not, it's not easy ground and i do appreciate with which it's happening and the lack of sarcasm that is occurring. +thank you for that, er it's not, it's not easy ground and i do appreciate with which it's happening and the lack of sarcasm that is occurring. ha! ha! ha! -see this, this bit here this, the whole presentation this this part of it here +see this, this bit here this, the whole presentation this this part of it here mhm. which has got to be this is that the next bit? @@ -72501,18 +72437,18 @@ the national curriculum which we cor! we're going onto to know. -i assume that's where we're going onto now . +i assume that's where we're going onto now . yeah. okay? er -we've then got two areas to look at national curricular levels and general skills and abilities. +we've then got two areas to look at national curricular levels and general skills and abilities. can i assume that we sort of are happy with the format that there should be a national curriculum level and there should be a general skills and abilities? i can make that assumption? yes. yes. okay. we canno , we cannot disagree about this next little bit can we? -right , the national curriculum levels i am nearly o of the opinion to be almost glib and say there will be a space that is about a third of a sheet of a four, it's down to every department to do their own i nearly said, i don't care, i often do care +right , the national curriculum levels i am nearly o of the opinion to be almost glib and say there will be a space that is about a third of a sheet of a four, it's down to every department to do their own i nearly said, i don't care, i often do care but that's down to the professional expertise of dis departments. mm. is it or isn't it? @@ -72522,7 +72458,7 @@ i mean, there are four attainment targets, there are three attainment targets that's right. yeah. they are these and tha -you're obliged +you're obliged it's just the number of boxes that you're gonna change! is everybody happy with that layout for that? yes. @@ -72541,14 +72477,14 @@ session end by the way? half three. i dunno,i is there no tea there? half three. -it's called +it's called we'll we'll have a cup of tea! hang on angela! half past three today. -there's an awful lot of information that i've put in there which i've photocopied and much reduced from the official documents +there's an awful lot of information that i've put in there which i've photocopied and much reduced from the official documents mm. -which gives a great deal more information about the attainment targets than the er, two or three words +which gives a great deal more information about the attainment targets than the er, two or three words but ha they have got headings though haven't they? yeah they have. i could have put the headings on as you have @@ -72558,17 +72494,17 @@ to take the whole bloody lot out! ha! right oh!pages. -you you , absolutely, we'd go on forever and ever and ever and er, therefore, i i, i withdraw all of that stuff but, in a way i feel that it would be helpful for parents, probably who haven't seen this information and might like maybe a sample +you you , absolutely, we'd go on forever and ever and ever and er, therefore, i i, i withdraw all of that stuff but, in a way i feel that it would be helpful for parents, probably who haven't seen this information and might like maybe a sample you mean you would like to present it in a different way? some somewhere , yeah, maybe not on here mm. -not on each subject but, maybe on the inside cover of er, a presented re , er set of sheets but wha wha , you know, however it's gonna be sent or on the back of the summate sheet or something. -you know, for your information the attainment targets have quite lengthy descriptions here are one or two examples, here's a maths one, here's an english one, here's a +not on each subject but, maybe on the inside cover of er, a presented re , er set of sheets but wha wha , you know, however it's gonna be sent or on the back of the summate sheet or something. +you know, for your information the attainment targets have quite lengthy descriptions here are one or two examples, here's a maths one, here's an english one, here's a mm. -a science one, for instance because, i don't suppose many of the parents will have seen o all the thickness of the document will +a science one, for instance because, i don't suppose many of the parents will have seen o all the thickness of the document will no. they? -they they've only had the taster because i sent home the erm a map of of d o s, d e s whatever i'm supposed to call it now. +they they've only had the taster because i sent home the erm a map of of d o s, d e s whatever i'm supposed to call it now. d s e. d s e. d s e. @@ -72577,11 +72513,11 @@ i sent home the the that document in with the national curriculum's er report. which s i've now lost! -so in other words, some suggestion that these headings +so in other words, some suggestion that these headings are indicated more. have a lot more , yes mm. -indicator of of quite a rich scene and, that the +indicator of of quite a rich scene and, that the that's a nice image. yeah, thank you. anyway, @@ -72589,7 +72525,7 @@ but you're in great danger there because you'll you will beco , it will come like this yeah. and a parent will say, level four maths? -no, multiplication tables find and average and know how to work out an area, that's a doddle! +no, multiplication tables find and average and know how to work out an area, that's a doddle! you know, i mean, there's an example of what they're saying. i think level four, this is what you do in maths @@ -72601,19 +72537,19 @@ mm. so you're against that because you think it trivialises it? you cannot, you cannot give them the the national curriculum book! i think there's an element, paul comment? -i think we could all do what andrew's suggesting quite easily er i could do it for geography, erm, i just think it's making a lot of extra work. +i think we could all do what andrew's suggesting quite easily er i could do it for geography, erm, i just think it's making a lot of extra work. garbage. yeah. mo more than it needs? yeah. -can i just say then we seem to have agreed that that standard andrew points been taken on board and dismissed out of hand +can i just say then we seem to have agreed that that standard andrew points been taken on board and dismissed out of hand no, i'm not cos i think it's quite a valid no i'm being point he's making i'm being mhm. erm don -it's whether we've +it's whether we've i know you carry a lot of valuable stuff in your briefcase. can i borrow your briefcase? mm. @@ -72621,31 +72557,31 @@ thank you. ca , can i make a point about the tick now? mm. since we're at that point. -i put that inversely i i he's put down inversely fro from what we will we are obliged to do we're obliged to say that these levels ha er have been erm have not been checked by sats +i put that inversely i i he's put down inversely fro from what we will we are obliged to do we're obliged to say that these levels ha er have been erm have not been checked by sats mhm. if they have been mm. -but i thought to th this way it was +but i thought to th this way it was mhm. -you know,we we're obliged to put that little bit in you know, there's year seven, year eight, year ten the there won't be a tick in there and so the the these levels will be whatever you've decided they are in the way that you asses but at the end of the key stage this report will go out in au i in september now following sats. +you know,we we're obliged to put that little bit in you know, there's year seven, year eight, year ten the there won't be a tick in there and so the the these levels will be whatever you've decided they are in the way that you asses but at the end of the key stage this report will go out in au i in september now following sats. mm. -or it'll go out in july god knows how we're gonna do it after sats in er a a ye at year fourteen. -so we've got to have that statement in and we've got to differentiate it some way or from the -but if you had your name and year at the top you could actually put a simple statement along the bottom because you'll only be issuing it for year nine +or it'll go out in july god knows how we're gonna do it after sats in er a a ye at year fourteen. +so we've got to have that statement in and we've got to differentiate it some way or from the +but if you had your name and year at the top you could actually put a simple statement along the bottom because you'll only be issuing it for year nine and eleven. -well, will you because year eleven is automatically confirmed by levels +well, will you because year eleven is automatically confirmed by levels g c s e. at g c, g c s e? but it is end of key stage four. but we will have a record of achievement, this system will not be used for years mm. year eleven, will it? -so we wouldn't need it, so all i'm saying is you could put in one simple statement at the bottom, year nine de dun de dun de dun and will confirmed by sats external test. -this will not be used at er end of key stage four or something? -well you use this reporting system in year ten but year eleven +so we wouldn't need it, so all i'm saying is you could put in one simple statement at the bottom, year nine de dun de dun de dun and will confirmed by sats external test. +this will not be used at er end of key stage four or something? +well you use this reporting system in year ten but year eleven we'll have record of achievement. you'll have a record of achievement and prob this this yo you'll have your own format, your amended format -but aren't we obliged to to produce this erm, in +but aren't we obliged to to produce this erm, in september. september mm. @@ -72653,50 +72589,50 @@ of of of the yeah. following year, yeah. end of that key stage four? -yes, but it will be it will be this bit of it that you know, the bit that comes +yes, but it will be it will be this bit of it that you know, the bit that comes right. -from the from the boards that we'll get, cos there'll be thousands and thousands of bloody numbers! +from the from the boards that we'll get, cos there'll be thousands and thousands of bloody numbers! oh! -that, that you're gonna send out to parents, they're gonna look at all these numbers and oh +that, that you're gonna send out to parents, they're gonna look at all these numbers and oh the end of key stage form can be different, different format. mm. that mm. -the the bits of that tie into +the the bits of that tie into let's wait to, wait till yeah wait. the thing arrives before we mhm. -so what i'm saying is this will appropriate for year seven, eight, nine and ten +so what i'm saying is this will appropriate for year seven, eight, nine and ten we're obliged to and a -say sorry! +say sorry! go on right. don. we're obliged what's that -to say that if er, it is not a sat year, we are obliged to say these levels have not been confirmed by sats so the only in year nine we, we don't need to say that. -but i think i it also would highlight if you put it as a sentence +to say that if er, it is not a sat year, we are obliged to say these levels have not been confirmed by sats so the only in year nine we, we don't need to say that. +but i think i it also would highlight if you put it as a sentence right, fair enough. that rather we kept it in. for year seven, eight parents it is coming, if you like, that at the end of year nine it's the end of the key stage and it's an important time de dun da, they're warned for two successive years. -i know it seems a little bit i idealistic, don't know what the word is i want but it is for warning -that what's happening that the end of ninth year is an important time in terms of er er measuring er their pupils er relative success. -so i'm suggesting that that, we could take that box out er er and this be re-phrased as a sentence, either at the top +i know it seems a little bit i idealistic, don't know what the word is i want but it is for warning +that what's happening that the end of ninth year is an important time in terms of er er measuring er their pupils er relative success. +so i'm suggesting that that, we could take that box out er er and this be re-phrased as a sentence, either at the top so, or underneath i don't mind which. okay? -how about this then, these levels have not been confirmed by sats except in the year nine report? +how about this then, these levels have not been confirmed by sats except in the year nine report? well, i i don't think you need the first no i don't. part in. no. -it's negative. -well indi individual levels will be confirmed by external tests +it's negative. +well indi individual levels will be confirmed by external tests for year nine pupils these levels will be confirmed by when do they get the results for sats? @@ -72709,19 +72645,19 @@ so you mark them yourself. right, okay. send a report in don't you? -cos we've gotta report on year nine at the en , in before +cos we've gotta report on year nine at the en , in before mm. -september or sorry, in july or +september or sorry, in july or mm. -immediately we come back, which is something else we have to sort out with our heads now. +immediately we come back, which is something else we have to sort out with our heads now. the end of august i think it is in, which means then in july doesn't it? mm. -for year, so the sentence will be don, for year nine pupils er, these levels er what did you put? +for year, so the sentence will be don, for year nine pupils er, these levels er what did you put? have been confirmed by sa -will have been future perfect. +will have been future perfect. and yo and you wouldn't be indicating that that's end of key stage three? you didn't put it there! -well for, you know,the these levels will have been confirmed by external tests. +well for, you know,the these levels will have been confirmed by external tests. what about year nine? it goes year nine pupil i think you've gotta put sats in, sorry. @@ -72739,14 +72675,14 @@ have been confirmed by sats. they've been confirmed ! been confirmed by sats ! okay. -would you not be indicating end of key stage three somehow? -or do the does everybody -alright, for year nine pupils brackets, end of key stage three. +would you not be indicating end of key stage three somehow? +or do the does everybody +alright, for year nine pupils brackets, end of key stage three. yeah. okay? -it's important these categories are set +it's important these categories are set set out for us. -mm +mm so er so we don't want this box any more then? @@ -72759,8 +72695,8 @@ that box will go and you'll have name and year that's home. spread out more across no, i've put report down there. -i've put report down there, cos then you have science, report math's, report and i put ralph gardener community high school cos then i need space for community. -i would put ralph gardener community high school report on the heading, i would put name, year and your subject there or, subject whatever i would tighten that up +i've put report down there, cos then you have science, report math's, report and i put ralph gardener community high school cos then i need space for community. +i would put ralph gardener community high school report on the heading, i would put name, year and your subject there or, subject whatever i would tighten that up right. a bit. mm. @@ -72769,12 +72705,12 @@ the lettering will be thinner needs to stand, it's awful! mm. ralph gardener high school, community high school -it's a +it's a needs to be, in my opinion, on it's own above the rest. report mm. -andrew's a a little bit better on layout than me and i'm -what yo you want ralph gardener high scho , community high school by itself? +andrew's a a little bit better on layout than me and i'm +what yo you want ralph gardener high scho , community high school by itself? i bi i just thought it was where do you want report then? well ralph @@ -72787,21 +72723,21 @@ don't see why not. i'm going back a step but i think it's what do you mean? important. -you're gonna tr er, well no nothing else will fit in that page but no eno not the package that you use +you're gonna tr er, well no nothing else will fit in that page but no eno not the package that you use ralph gardener community high school report. -well we won't necessarily be using your package for doing this. +well we won't necessarily be using your package for doing this. mhm. fine! right, you use yours cos i'm not there! who whose gonna do it then? well i vote you! -i'm i'm i was gonna come to, andrew's made an offer but +i'm i'm i was gonna come to, andrew's made an offer but volunteered a long right. time ago. -that might, might er er erm it's we can be your system , what i'm saying is +that might, might er er erm it's we can be your system , what i'm saying is is it yours? . don't even know where it is! @@ -72810,18 +72746,18 @@ oh no, just that's alright sitting outside the kitchen. ah! -those two +those two a yes or a no? it's it's tonight's supper! -does ralph gardener community high school hyphen report is the heading at the top. +does ralph gardener community high school hyphen report is the heading at the top. mm. yes? mhm. okay. -then below it you would have da da, year and somehow the subject fitted in on a line across, below it? +then below it you would have da da, year and somehow the subject fitted in on a line across, below it? so you'd have what for? -name, year and subject would go in there in that box +name, year and subject would go in there in that box that's been left free. do we agree that it should be big like that? i think it, i i like the @@ -72832,7 +72768,7 @@ the su the subject yes. stands out. yeah, that's right . -er, do you want the subject er, lettering the size as that? +er, do you want the subject er, lettering the size as that? this was andrew's no, i i i would like i'll sort that out. @@ -72840,44 +72776,44 @@ yeah. i like it like this. i i think probably we'll be in a situation where andrew will do a knock up well i think we need it smaller . -there will be several formats that we can agree on at a later date. +there will be several formats that we can agree on at a later date. nice and big. wallpaper paul? yep. lovely jubbly! thank you very much, we've knocked that on the head. general skills and abilities we're down to now. -which is gonna be a debatable one i would of thought. +which is gonna be a debatable one i would of thought. can we agree er the layout? ten point scale yeah. poor, satisfactory and -excellent, scale and ability what we need to agree on is the skills and abilities that we want in there. +excellent, scale and ability what we need to agree on is the skills and abilities that we want in there. would you use excellent rather than good. well no ten, level ten is bloody good! excellent , yeah. -okay right, bloody good then, okay! +okay right, bloody good then, okay! right, bloody good ! and can we have crap instead of poor? yeah. -crap, crap and bloody good, yes and er middling! +crap, crap and bloody good, yes and er middling! why do you always have poor? weak? i want to convey that meaning but i would rather not use that word. it is poor. -yes, i know but we're sensitive -i've seen some words we we +yes, i know but we're sensitive +i've seen some words we we not me! i would really call spade on on the ten point scale alan a spade! wha what's written? -is there not something, not poor something written ha, not w ! +is there not something, not poor something written ha, not w ! working towards ! you can't be working towards there! -no the i tell you what andrew's saying about poor -weak doesn't fit in. +no the i tell you what andrew's saying about poor +weak doesn't fit in. no. doesn't fit in, how do you mean? doesn't fit in with satisfactory and excellent. @@ -72904,12 +72840,12 @@ yes, that's right, yes. he's making fair progress. one in two, one in two ! ! -there's in somewhere. +there's in somewhere. i'd like to think of something. let's think of something. hey, come on let's cause , one, level one and two are national curriculum scales for somebody in our school is poor! there's no value in it, don't start it off in that position as though there's an integral in it, all the -longman's dictionary of +longman's dictionary of all the same! life's a little bit more complex than that is it longmans? @@ -72919,20 +72855,20 @@ yes it's longmans! is that a longmans dictionary? it certainly is. that i see before me? -could i call for +could i call for massination , a plan for doing harm. -can, can we leave that word alone for for a moment cos i think it's a bit of red herring er, to some degree. +can, can we leave that word alone for for a moment cos i think it's a bit of red herring er, to some degree. pretty awful! -it will stand unless er somebody can come forward with a very positive suggestion the mind's +it will stand unless er somebody can come forward with a very positive suggestion the mind's ! blank at the moment. -how about pretty awful and pretty +how about pretty awful and pretty can ! can can, can we look at the skills and abilities? yes sir. -cos you know this list is as good or as bad you want to make it. -erm effort we have that in probably +cos you know this list is as good or as bad you want to make it. +erm effort we have that in probably yes. everybody accept mhm. @@ -72942,11 +72878,11 @@ mhm. angela? yep, that's fine, mm. yeah? -er we don't have concentration at the moment erm, i'm not sure +er we don't have concentration at the moment erm, i'm not sure question mark. does that fit yes i'm not sure about that. -what we mean by concentration er, myself. +what we mean by concentration er, myself. mm. actually ju @@ -72954,7 +72890,7 @@ i made them up just in the spur of the moment. well that's fine! mm. that's no no sweat. -sorry i haven't +sorry i haven't behaviour? it up. yep. @@ -72962,12 +72898,12 @@ yeah. mhm. yes . er -i wrote following instructions because i wanted to somehow or other impart the ability to actually er, do something other than just er, to do something on their own, you know to actually work on their own. -ability to actually do something rather than just copy something to follow instructions means they've got to actually do a ste step-wise thing. +i wrote following instructions because i wanted to somehow or other impart the ability to actually er, do something other than just er, to do something on their own, you know to actually work on their own. +ability to actually do something rather than just copy something to follow instructions means they've got to actually do a ste step-wise thing. right? yeah we i must admit, would a, would a parent, i mean i was at a very simple level, following instructions, go and get that ruler jimmy? aha. -in other words you know i in a sense vidable +in other words you know i in a sense vidable do doing as doing as vidable. they're told! @@ -72978,7 +72914,7 @@ doing as they're told. mm. yeah. i i know what you're saying and it's different to the way i'm interpreting it. -that's it, we need to follow a set of step lies, instructions becoming more difficult as you go on that what was intended. +that's it, we need to follow a set of step lies, instructions becoming more difficult as you go on that what was intended. but you don't want to give the impression that our children are not . that's the old one. mm. @@ -72991,11 +72927,11 @@ alright. dictionary look. right. what about, what do you want paul, sorry? -sorry, can i some of the old can have some +sorry, can i some of the old can have some oh they're there yeah. yeah, i'm . what about a word like involvement? -the other thing don is what are the gen , what are the the erm skills and abilities, you see there is a mathematical theme, what are the, literacy, we're supposed +the other thing don is what are the gen , what are the the erm skills and abilities, you see there is a mathematical theme, what are the, literacy, we're supposed yeah, we've got, yeah that to be addressing those. yeah that's got to go in there i think. @@ -73007,9 +72943,9 @@ i can't remember what that one is. i don't think aye not subject i think, i think -a specific +a specific i think, yes, no i ju -no there +no there no are general skills yes. @@ -73023,20 +72959,20 @@ it numeracy rather than mathematical yes. skills? alright. -alright,no no if you say numeracy then they'll know what it means but erm i fe i felt that numeracy and mathematical skills would not be applicable to all, i mean, i don't think it might +alright,no no if you say numeracy then they'll know what it means but erm i fe i felt that numeracy and mathematical skills would not be applicable to all, i mean, i don't think it might no. -be applicable to you, but +be applicable to you, but right, right sorry! ? okay! -er, it might not be applicable to talents or erm hand spans or things like that but i certainly would want to include it, it might be very important in, in my subject. +er, it might not be applicable to talents or erm hand spans or things like that but i certainly would want to include it, it might be very important in, in my subject. and i would like to be able to include it. er, i think we would, oh! -see, i think we're obliged to to now say something about erm these general skills, i think in light of what's been said in the last couple of weeks +see, i think we're obliged to to now say something about erm these general skills, i think in light of what's been said in the last couple of weeks mm. -there should also be in there something like grammar and spelling. +there should also be in there something like grammar and spelling. no, i totally disagree with that! -and certainly not in the light of what's been said in the last couple of weeks that's +and certainly not in the light of what's been said in the last couple of weeks that's why? extremely questionable! what are the hell are they @@ -73044,21 +72980,21 @@ what what is that? the i mean if we're gonna discuss that that needs to be, you need to go over that in more detail. -is is is is there not an element that hinges round orally to do with the +is is is is there not an element that hinges round orally to do with the yes. ability to orally speak? -yes er, and literacy that's something different. +yes er, and literacy that's something different. mm. oh come on now! -i mean the government is pushing er spelling a as as something which is very important spelling is going to be part of all course work as well as all examinations now! +i mean the government is pushing er spelling a as as something which is very important spelling is going to be part of all course work as well as all examinations now! i'm not denying that. -well therefore, it's important to everybody! +well therefore, it's important to everybody! i'm not denying that. therefore we better comment on it! -well, no what i'm, what i'm denying is i'm questioning your assertion on what's been happening in the last couple of weeks that we should react to that on a pa on er er report that hasn't been released, right? -that's been partially responded to some people suspect for political reasons and rushing to that on report and i think we need to consider that in a more way. +well, no what i'm, what i'm denying is i'm questioning your assertion on what's been happening in the last couple of weeks that we should react to that on a pa on er er report that hasn't been released, right? +that's been partially responded to some people suspect for political reasons and rushing to that on report and i think we need to consider that in a more way. but don't you think that spelling is important for everybody to ? of course i do! i think spelling's @@ -73073,11 +73009,11 @@ yeah, actually at the end of, end of i can't remember saying saying you last term yeah. oh! -when don first actually broached this whole thing. +when don first actually broached this whole thing. no,a no with all due respect is tha is that re is that relevant? -no, hang on here misrepresenting what i'm saying there. -no, all i'm saying is that i'd like to support don and what don's just said there and i think that er, we a that is what we are gonna have to do. +no, hang on here misrepresenting what i'm saying there. +no, all i'm saying is that i'd like to support don and what don's just said there and i think that er, we a that is what we are gonna have to do. it might not be, be down as black and white but, no wait a minute cos they're two issues! at the moment. @@ -73086,18 +73022,18 @@ mm. first of all you're misrepresenting what i'm saying about those figures mm. right? -and, whether you believe that or not that is not effecting what i'm saying today and whether it's accurate or not! +and, whether you believe that or not that is not effecting what i'm saying today and whether it's accurate or not! that's right! -i i agree with you that those are concerns but i would not like things like grammar to be isolated out from other language skills +i i agree with you that those are concerns but i would not like things like grammar to be isolated out from other language skills no, not grammar but but basically, maths and english are the tools that the other subjects oh yes, i agree with you. are are are working could with. -could we work under a more general, how would you feel about if we put something down like, i dunno, written work would, is is that +could we work under a more general, how would you feel about if we put something down like, i dunno, written work would, is is that i've got written work. -does that not writing and neatness. -writing and neatness , no spelling is a , to my mind, spelling is important. +does that not writing and neatness. +writing and neatness , no spelling is a , to my mind, spelling is important. of course it is, i'm not denying that! are i i to @@ -73109,35 +73045,35 @@ we are obliged, i'll say it again no, we're not we obliged! -we are obliged now to write +we are obliged now to write g c s e? -to to to re to report on, er in all course work to take five percent of our +to to to re to report on, er in all course work to take five percent of our yeah. er that's right. -course work and base ma ma ma er do do something along the lines of spelling. +course work and base ma ma ma er do do something along the lines of spelling. sorry, i'm not putting it very well. yes, but that's assessed in english underneath the attainment target of writing. no, it's a separate ! -but we're obliged every subject! -that but anyway that doesn't ha hang on that that doesn't approve what you're saying, what i'm saying as far as english is concerned that's assessed underneath the attainment target writing +but we're obliged every subject! +that but anyway that doesn't ha hang on that that doesn't approve what you're saying, what i'm saying as far as english is concerned that's assessed underneath the attainment target writing mhm. -what i'm concerned about is put things down like that, er like that it encourages erm an appreciation of language skills that are bitty, partial, they can be pulled apart and it's not the model of language teaching that i would like to promote. +what i'm concerned about is put things down like that, er like that it encourages erm an appreciation of language skills that are bitty, partial, they can be pulled apart and it's not the model of language teaching that i would like to promote. right. i'm not saying that spelling mm. isn't important, obviously as an english mm. teacher i'm not going to argue that but what i'm saying is that in this report i don't think that's necessarily the appropriate format. -well how am i going to report to parents our spelling ? -well reporting them un underneath the writ li literacy that is, that it's a literacy skill! +well how am i going to report to parents our spelling ? +well reporting them un underneath the writ li literacy that is, that it's a literacy skill! but i think it's a bit more specific than that isn't it? right. if they don't, if they can't spell they're not literate! and if they can't write in sentences they're not literate! so you would just put in something for literacy? so -well what i'm sugge , but as an alternative i'm suggesting that as far as that's concerned you put down +well what i'm sugge , but as an alternative i'm suggesting that as far as that's concerned you put down well we no, i don't think most of parents would have a clue what you're talking about! i'm sorry! @@ -73159,22 +73095,22 @@ i'm trying to take an over-view. that alan's saying and i think we'll have to respect that with all du mhm. with all due respect. -ah, but at the same time we don't have to comment on mathematical skills at g c s e. +ah, but at the same time we don't have to comment on mathematical skills at g c s e. no. no, but the ar , the previous argument was whether there would be an un sa understanding of it, we won't understand literacy. -i think we have to recognise angela's concern if er a subject area that she's trying to present, present and she is not precluding you from doing what you've got +i think we have to recognise angela's concern if er a subject area that she's trying to present, present and she is not precluding you from doing what you've got oh no ! to do, she's just offering a different way of doing it. if you like, a different heading under which to do it. well -so she would put wha in you would put in what, sorry? +so she would put wha in you would put in what, sorry? just literacy. i would put literacy. because it involves more things. no no i disagree with that. yeah, i disagree, i think i would still like to put yep. -spelling grammar punctuation +spelling grammar punctuation yeah but whatever. but these @@ -73184,7 +73120,7 @@ if, you see if you put down literacy the the whole show's in there, i mean if yo it's nothing to do angela? with english! -at that oh! +at that oh! andrew, comment that's on that? @@ -73193,25 +73129,25 @@ i mean,a you sit outside it i medium of learning! any axe to grind? , it's not english subject area i'm talking about. -erm yeah, the the the axe to to to grind is is yes, i pick up the the the political stick here er, that was you know, that that, you know from the other the other end to you and yeah, yes i also think we're being beaten with a with a with a stick here for three r's er, if we're forced into the corner of having to use an ignorant white hall idiots er +erm yeah, the the the axe to to to grind is is yes, i pick up the the the political stick here er, that was you know, that that, you know from the other the other end to you and yeah, yes i also think we're being beaten with a with a with a stick here for three r's er, if we're forced into the corner of having to use an ignorant white hall idiots er inadequately educated. -inadequately educated persons er, view of what it is to be well educated i.e. we've got to comment on the spelling as if it were important +inadequately educated persons er, view of what it is to be well educated i.e. we've got to comment on the spelling as if it were important but i think it is. i think it is, yeah! ah, in the way that they i agree with what they're saying! in the way that they're saying it -i agree with it, i +i agree with it, i in the way that they're saying it mm. -then no. -but if as educationalists taking full account the subject specialism and our own knowledge of it, we would care to make some comment then that is a different thing altogether. +then no. +but if as educationalists taking full account the subject specialism and our own knowledge of it, we would care to make some comment then that is a different thing altogether. mhm. -so that if we deal with it er er in a way that we can find a professionally acceptable +so that if we deal with it er er in a way that we can find a professionally acceptable mm. -then i think that we ought to comment on it but if we are doing media response +then i think that we ought to comment on it but if we are doing media response mm. -then i don't think that we ought to go along with, for instance , just using a term like, spelling to +then i don't think that we ought to go along with, for instance , just using a term like, spelling to mm. summarise it's @@ -73219,17 +73155,17 @@ something which it's more complex. is more complex than that. yeah. -that's my i'm not saying it isn't important +that's my i'm not saying it isn't important professionally, if we did that we'd be cheapening ourselves. i i i think absolutely! -with all due respect here we have to respect the wishe , angela's wishes, er, i mean, on the one hand we're respecting alan's er er and i i -no , i i'm gi it's not my, i i would just look at mathematical skills and saying that you're not really yo you don't really mean mathematical skills. +with all due respect here we have to respect the wishe , angela's wishes, er, i mean, on the one hand we're respecting alan's er er and i i +no , i i'm gi it's not my, i i would just look at mathematical skills and saying that you're not really yo you don't really mean mathematical skills. i mean, for most of you aha. -yo you know, i mean i i i if andrew were saying he's he's he's pretty limited at maths you wouldn't really be meaning limited in maths, you'd be meaning lim , limited in +yo you know, i mean i i i if andrew were saying he's he's he's pretty limited at maths you wouldn't really be meaning limited in maths, you'd be meaning lim , limited in certain skills. -numeracy because andrew wouldn't have been testing algebra or things like that, you'd have just +numeracy because andrew wouldn't have been testing algebra or things like that, you'd have just been looking at the numbers. oh! see @@ -73237,13 +73173,13 @@ oh!. and that's what i'm saying. mhm. so you're wanting a general -yes that doesn't exclude but includes all of that, but at the same time although everybody that's going to read it may not understand the intricacies of it all as professionals we're giving more than a passing nod, so that was something else, er er and something more involved than english teacher than making them jump through loops +yes that doesn't exclude but includes all of that, but at the same time although everybody that's going to read it may not understand the intricacies of it all as professionals we're giving more than a passing nod, so that was something else, er er and something more involved than english teacher than making them jump through loops mm. and cross t's and dot i's! but that,a a that's what i said if it's just a to you! -no, if i may aye, i er, something's just occurred to me and we are looking +no, if i may aye, i er, something's just occurred to me and we are looking we are looking, the other heading here of general skills and abilities.,. and se spelling spelling is very specific. @@ -73252,19 +73188,18 @@ mm. and on that basis i would but go along with literacy. -li literacy and -and i think i'm i'm always inclined to do a colin and say, you know +li literacy and +and i think i'm i'm always inclined to do a colin and say, you know right. i've made my mind up and that's the way it's gonna be! i hate but -doing things like that but i i i i believe quite strongly what angela's saying er, if you came to me and presented something ba ba, a total er, conviction that it might be in a sense damaging er the er the the the concept people have of your subject, or might have i would listen very carefully to that, and i also ta , i remember gordon saying some time ago and whilst gordon drove me crackers he talked about the government saying you've gotta do this, you've go and he said there are things that we must believe in as educationalists ourselves, and professionalists +doing things like that but i i i i believe quite strongly what angela's saying er, if you came to me and presented something ba ba, a total er, conviction that it might be in a sense damaging er the er the the the concept people have of your subject, or might have i would listen very carefully to that, and i also ta , i remember gordon saying some time ago and whilst gordon drove me crackers he talked about the government saying you've gotta do this, you've go and he said there are things that we must believe in as educationalists ourselves, and professionalists i agree. -ourselves despite what the governors +ourselves despite what the governors mhm. er, the government say to us. and i believe personally in this context it would be foolish, at the moment, to go down a narrow road until such time as we are ca - have you done much work? i've done some work. i've tried @@ -73285,8 +73220,8 @@ i've been concentrating on trying to okay. i've gone through these i don't know how many times. right. -i done them and then i've took them down and i've gone back. -i've g i've got about a half a dozen sheets of paper scattered all over the place, and i've decided to do it in this cos then i can just go to here. +i done them and then i've took them down and i've gone back. +i've g i've got about a half a dozen sheets of paper scattered all over the place, and i've decided to do it in this cos then i can just go to here. right. so i've done that. now i can understand that, understand that. @@ -73295,27 +73230,27 @@ that goes to that, two x, but i'm not sure why. now is that that cosh squared x ? yeah. right. -and that is goes to two x. +and that is goes to two x. shine squared x. -you mean do you mean ? +you mean do you mean ? no. it's two x in the book. yeah. okay. now he does make mistakes so that's not a -erm +erm problem. mm. and then there's that i can understand. but that is actually is not like that. that's x squared but when it's differentiated cos you've gotta go back into the bracket it comes out as that. right. -and that then goes in +and that then goes in okay. that. so i understand that bit. what you're doing i mean you're coming along very well really. -but +but aren't you? i'm not doing too bad. i think you're doing very well @@ -73326,7 +73261,7 @@ mm. it goes to sine squared, so you you only differentiate one and according to okay. that goes to sine squared. -right where your twelve comes from. +right where your twelve comes from. well it it must be three times four is equal right. to twelve. @@ -73339,25 +73274,25 @@ the use of the the two x. so i'm not conversant with all the rules. mm. okay. -erm how did you differentiate these? -i mean are you learning these as they are or i mean +erm how did you differentiate these? +i mean are you learning these as they are or i mean no. do them? how are you doing it? -no i've i've just all i've done is because erm because that is a function of that +no i've i've just all i've done is because erm because that is a function of that right. i've differentiated that. well i didn't differentiate it but i but i did because i couldn't decide . -as i as i was talking about for a new pattern +as i as i was talking about for a new pattern . how much you want to write it in there, it's up to you. just show me how you did that one. well, all i that one -did was that i didn't know whether to do three sine squared right ? +did was that i didn't know whether to do three sine squared right ? mm. then differentiate the four x because -that's your x value. +that's your x value. so that'd be three times the four sine squared. then to differentiate the whole lot because it goes to cos. mm. @@ -73368,8 +73303,8 @@ going and checking the answer. erm and then if me answer was wrong trying to mm. -work out . -can you describe your methods. +work out . +can you describe your methods. how you how you'd do that. sort of writing down as many steps as you can. ah. @@ -73381,7 +73316,7 @@ right. then you yeah. know to just differentiate it. -when it's two terms like the the log erm and what like that +when it's two terms like the the log erm and what like that mm. each of the two x multiplied by sine. okay. @@ -73389,20 +73324,20 @@ that brings on another rule. like that okay brings another rule. -erm differentiate this for me then. -er three x squared plus two. +erm differentiate this for me then. +er three x squared plus two. and put some brackets round that and raise that to the power five. okay y equals that. sh show . me all the steps. -divide by d x two. +divide by d x two. that goes at the front, right? mm. to begin with. right. -now you get erm three x squared plus two and then you differentiate what's in there, which'll give you six. +now you get erm three x squared plus two and then you differentiate what's in there, which'll give you six. so if you multiply it by six and it's still raised to the power . if you differentiate three x squared what do you get? six. @@ -73418,7 +73353,7 @@ now why're you doing this? what's the theory behind it? dunno. right. -now what you're doing, or what you're, you're attempting to do erm if i say y equals p +now what you're doing, or what you're, you're attempting to do erm if i say y equals p hmm. find d y by the x. and you can't cos you haven't @@ -73430,16 +73365,16 @@ right? now there isn't an x in sight. mm. i've only got three x squared plus two there but you can't differentiate whit respect to three x squared plus two and then say you actually done it with respect to x . -so erm you've seen the cha chain rule function and a function. +so erm you've seen the cha chain rule function and a function. mm. this is, this is what you should be doing with it really. erm we've got that. y equals that. yeah. right. -let u three x squared plus two. +let u three x squared plus two. okay. -now we've got y equals u to the power five. +now we've got y equals u to the power five. so we c can't find d y by d x mhm. but we can find d y by d u. @@ -73450,16 +73385,16 @@ five by d to the four. yes? mhm. well that's found d y by d u but what we're looking for is d y by d x. -and d y by d x is what? +and d y by d x is what? in terms of u and everything else. remember what that bit? how to work that out? -erm isn't it the u . +erm isn't it the u . okay. the easy way to remember it mm. is write it like that. -d y by d x equals d y d y over something times something over d x with d u in there cancel out. +d y by d x equals d y d y over something times something over d x with d u in there cancel out. it isn't quite as simple as that but it works. mm. okay. @@ -73467,21 +73402,21 @@ so d y by d x gives d y by d u times d u by d x. well if u is equal to that mhm. we can differentiate that with respect to x. -we can find d u differentiating this side with respect to x you get d u by d x and +we can find d u differentiating this side with respect to x you get d u by d x and mm. -on that side then you'll get six x. +on that side then you'll get six x. mm. okay. so we want to find d y by d x and it's d y by d u then it's d u by d x. well we've found d u by d x and we've found d y by d u. -so d y by d u is equal to d y by d x is equal to d y by d u, which we've found from here, from y equals +so d y by d u is equal to d y by d x is equal to d y by d u, which we've found from here, from y equals yeah. u right?four, times d u by d x which we found up here right? -now we haven't got x in it yet so we can't give them the answer in that form cos they +now we haven't got x in it yet so we can't give them the answer in that form cos they didn't tell us anything about u. -you invented that so where do you put you place u five times whatever u -was three x squared plus two all to the power four +you invented that so where do you put you place u five times whatever u +was three x squared plus two all to the power four times six x because normally bring that to the front. three x. right. @@ -73493,11 +73428,11 @@ now, that's, that's what you should be doing each time with these with that in a as a minimum. you wil you've obviously sort of seen the method somewhere and you're trying to do it in your head, but cos you're not going through it in a fairly formal way mm. -you're most of the time you're getting it right cos this is just making the right sort of guess and you're seeing the sort of when it gets to the awkward ones y you're just sort of well maybe it's that, maybe its something else. +you're most of the time you're getting it right cos this is just making the right sort of guess and you're seeing the sort of when it gets to the awkward ones y you're just sort of well maybe it's that, maybe its something else. does that yeah. help? -it does help, i mean that that i have seen before but i didn't sort of understand it and you've actually +it does help, i mean that that i have seen before but i didn't sort of understand it and you've actually well the thing is after a while when you've done quite a few it comes it comes fairly easy, and you can do it in your head. mm. but when you get to one where you can't do it in your head you've got to go back to this bit. @@ -73505,27 +73440,27 @@ yeah. and sometimes i mean there, we sort of let . there might be times when we let you do the whole lot or when you have to have more than one go at it. mm. -erm i mean if you've got something like, for example, erm say we've got the one we've just had. +erm i mean if you've got something like, for example, erm say we've got the one we've just had. y equals something to the power . to the power five right ? mm. but it wasn't three x squared plus two . mm. -it was erm sine sine squared six x plus cos three x +it was erm sine sine squared six x plus cos three x mm. right. now doing that in your head would be a bit awkward. mm. -but there you'd do it in three goes i mean, you could probably do it in two goes, but to be safe you could split it up into three goes so +but there you'd do it in three goes i mean, you could probably do it in two goes, but to be safe you could split it up into three goes so what rule does that bring out because that . well is that still the same, you just there's an there's an add in there. mm. right. -so lets erm . +so lets erm . yeah. -l equal seven x okay and m equals d x. +l equal seven x okay and m equals d x. right we don't we can probably do these these bits in your head quite easily. mm. okay. @@ -73539,7 +73474,7 @@ mm. so we could maybe do what we did last time. let u equal this lot in the brackets. sine squared seven x. -three x now we're trying to find d u by d x. +three x now we're trying to find d u by d x. mm. at some stage. well you could probably do that one in your head. @@ -73567,51 +73502,51 @@ okay. but the squares i wasn't sure what happens to them and i confused him by asking him. okay. let's look at this. -erm l is equal to seven x +erm l is equal to seven x mm. so so it'll be about five stages in this. -working it out any of them them all and then you can miss out the ones we do you feel you don't need. +working it out any of them them all and then you can miss out the ones we do you feel you don't need. just look at that bit. you're trying differentiate what's inside there with respect to something. -well if you've got something like erm that one. +well if you've got something like erm that one. tan plus seven x. -so we've got y equals sine l what're we having? seven x. +so we've got y equals sine l what're we having? seven x. mm. squared. squared. we write it like that because it's sine squared, it is more obvious what the meaning is. mm. -now we can't differentiate that with respect to l. +now we can't differentiate that with respect to l. mm. because it's not l, it's sine l. okay. -if that was i if that was l squared y equals x squared, you could differentiate that with respect to x. +if that was i if that was l squared y equals x squared, you could differentiate that with respect to x. if it's y equals l squared you could differentiate it mm. to l. it's not. it's sine. -so we'll differentiate gonna have another substitution on this one. +so we'll differentiate gonna have another substitution on this one. so it's all just goes on and on and on until you can get something that's erm a straight forward one letter to the power so you can differentiate it. -so let h equal sine l. +so let h equal sine l. mhm. now we've got y equals h squared. well that's no problem. -d y by d h cos now two h. +d y by d h cos now two h. mm. but now we've got h equals sine l. does that define d h by d l? mm. and if you differentiate sine sine l you get? five sine l erm cos l. -erm well we've got cos . +erm well we've got cos . now we're trying to find from this one. let's work out what we're going to do. -we're trying to find d y by d x but we can't find that, +we're trying to find d y by d x but we can't find that, mm. -so we're going for d l d l by d x +so we're going for d l d l by d x mm. times d y by d l. mhm. @@ -73620,12 +73555,12 @@ why isn't that er cos ? if you differentiate sine x what do you get? cos x. we don't get cos x or -so because you took the number of x value away. +so because you took the number of x value away. erm if you substituted l. you've taken that, you've squared x so you've got you've made that into another value. right? -so +so mm. you've made that y equal to h squared. so that becomes h so the value of that @@ -73633,7 +73568,7 @@ i started off let h equal sine l. yeah. right. -now if if all let's say all we've got to differentiate was y equals sine squared x. +now if if all let's say all we've got to differentiate was y equals sine squared x. mm. now i could find d y by d sine x. mm. @@ -73646,7 +73581,7 @@ the gradient of the curve that i would get if i plotted y against sine x. mm. but we're plotting y against x which'll obviously be a very different curve with mm. -lots of different gradients thank you very much sir. +lots of different gradients thank you very much sir. thank you. right i'll leave you to it. so for that there's there's no way of differentiating that with @@ -73660,7 +73595,7 @@ you can differentiate sine x on its own like that. y plus cos x, but we can't differentiate that straight off without changing and doing the substitution. so we'll let er what letter haven't we used yet? q. -so if we let q equal sine x we can find d q by d x we can differentiate this side with respect to x and that side q by d x when we differentiate . +so if we let q equal sine x we can find d q by d x we can differentiate this side with respect to x and that side q by d x when we differentiate . mm. okay? now we've let q equal sine x so we've got y equals q squared. @@ -73676,27 +73611,27 @@ d y by d q there d y by d q two q. -is two q times +is two q times q by d x . okay? mhm. now we've found d y by d x all we need to do is put back q to what it was. mm. right which is sine squared x. -so s two sine squared x +so s two sine squared x mhm. okay. -so you're sort of right in a way that it's two sine squared x but this wrong. +so you're sort of right in a way that it's two sine squared x but this wrong. are you are you happy with that?? yeah. mhm. -okay get y equals x squared no problem. +okay get y equals x squared no problem. two x. mm. -y equals log x squared you can't just picture log x. +y equals log x squared you can't just picture log x. no. very very different. -we're finding the gradient the gradient on a specific graph when we plot the x against the y, the y against the x. +we're finding the gradient the gradient on a specific graph when we plot the x against the y, the y against the x. right? mm. if we say well that looks a bit awkward so we're going to plot the y against sine x or the y against log x @@ -73716,8 +73651,8 @@ so . try and think of what you do when you find d y by d x. it becomes oh well you you do some little tricks on numbers and you shuffle them about and that's the answer they want. mhm. -if you can get it back that's why i say do the graph if you can get it back to erm but it's not just something to the fifth, it's really it's something to the tenth. -right okay one way differentiating that +if you can get it back that's why i say do the graph if you can get it back to erm but it's not just something to the fifth, it's really it's something to the tenth. +right okay one way differentiating that mm. is multiply it out. you've got five lots of brackets there. @@ -73729,18 +73664,18 @@ yeah. everything else all the way down. and you could just differentiate each term quite simply then. once you've done the multiplying, the differentiation would be very simple. -there'd just these straight powers of x, and you could do that and you'd get to the same answer as we get to it's just that this is a quicker way of doing it. +there'd just these straight powers of x, and you could do that and you'd get to the same answer as we get to it's just that this is a quicker way of doing it. mm. -but that, that is a y equals something x to the tenth, so it's it's not going to have a gradient that requires y equals something to the tenth. +but that, that is a y equals something x to the tenth, so it's it's not going to have a gradient that requires y equals something to the tenth. mm. -which is why you must do that sort of that that's probably all you need for that bit. +which is why you must do that sort of that that's probably all you need for that bit. to know what you're doing right. -erm i think it would be useful for you do one the same way. -erm we'll do a fairly simple one and then use the same one but make it a little bit more complicated. +erm i think it would be useful for you do one the same way. +erm we'll do a fairly simple one and then use the same one but make it a little bit more complicated. mm. what what rule is that? the chain rule? -a function of a function +a function of a function mm? the chain rule. you can't do it in one go, so you split it down into bits. @@ -73754,10 +73689,10 @@ so if we get something like right. have a go at that one. yeah. -so we put the or sine squared think it's better leaving it like that because it's sine brackets +so we put the or sine squared think it's better leaving it like that because it's sine brackets well what do you think? well i think -erm think it's probably better if . +erm think it's probably better if . okay. go on. have a @@ -73771,7 +73706,7 @@ fine. if you know it's not right, scrub that. think of something more useful to let u be equal to cos this is the the main part of it. working out what you're going to put u equal to. -well if i put u equal because brackets the bracket there . +well if i put u equal because brackets the bracket there . right. . and . @@ -73792,7 +73727,7 @@ is basically what i do know. right. okay. okay what've we got here? -erm if i said y equals sine squared x, +erm if i said y equals sine squared x, mm. you couldn't differentiate that . mm. @@ -73802,11 +73737,11 @@ mm. so that was sort of on this one. what do we do there? what do we let u equal to? -squared +squared let y equal q squared. mm. yeah, so we let the whole thing there that was raised to the power be equal to something. -so if we let v not u right, we let u be that, +so if we let v not u right, we let u be that, mm. and let v if if u is zero, mhm. @@ -73832,9 +73767,9 @@ mm. so we can differentiate both sides there with respect to u. mm. and find d v by d x. -so we can d v by d u. -d v by d u times what do you want . -then come across d y by and at the end, d x. +so we can d v by d u. +d v by d u times what do you want . +then come across d y by and at the end, d x. so what've we got in terms of x? we've got d u. yeah. @@ -73855,7 +73790,7 @@ mm. it comes to? d y by d u that'll come to d y by d x. -so that that'll go out with that that'll go out with x +so that that'll go out with that that'll go out with x an you get d y by d x. so you've got you've got the v in terms of u. yeah. @@ -73863,12 +73798,11 @@ so you can find d v by d u. okay? we've got u in terms of x so you can find d u by d x. and you've got v, now. -erm you've got y. +erm you've got y. where's y gone? you haven't got y in this one. okay. then what's y equal to? - open your present then antony. happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear antony, happy birthday to you shall we take a picture @@ -73878,12 +73812,11 @@ antony. you like my picture? mm? no, no, no this is not made to play with i want you blow it now -antony yes antony, come and stand up over here now. +antony yes antony, come and stand up over here now. come over here. - hello -hello how are you? -er +hello how are you? +er how are you? alright. i'm not gonna pass it down to you. @@ -73893,12 +73826,12 @@ are you sure of that? i'm gonna leave you to it. pete it's fred . -i'll leave, i, i won't stay with you cos i don't want you get too +i'll leave, i, i won't stay with you cos i don't want you get too okay then. collapse, me too. go in and sit down a sec. i'm moderately well. -let me come quite clean on that and tell you that you, at the very moment i hope you are being recorded. +let me come quite clean on that and tell you that you, at the very moment i hope you are being recorded. good heavens. a cross section. yes er actually the lady dropped in on me yesterday so i @@ -73906,38 +73839,38 @@ well i suppose it's erm sounds quite an interesting an interesting idea. yeah, i thought so. -i'm not convinced that we can establish exactly what we're after erm the sort of conversation or communication +i'm not convinced that we can establish exactly what we're after erm the sort of conversation or communication what that people use. -yeah, it seems to me that erm they are it's er going to be a comparative thing from nineteen ninety two, and then in, we'll say nineteen ninety seven for argument's sake. +yeah, it seems to me that erm they are it's er going to be a comparative thing from nineteen ninety two, and then in, we'll say nineteen ninety seven for argument's sake. the trouble is or, or or gradually er on. -increasingly i think nowadays people converse in not a foreign language, because the terms that people use are familiar but meanings that they intend are not, and th th th the computer people are the worst because they use ordinary words which mean completely different things in the +increasingly i think nowadays people converse in not a foreign language, because the terms that people use are familiar but meanings that they intend are not, and th th th the computer people are the worst because they use ordinary words which mean completely different things in the than context of,o o of people just yeah talking yeah, yeah. -and there they, they talk about a database which is a it's not an english word +and there they, they talk about a database which is a it's not an english word no a computer so what on earth does it mean? mm. -well i used the word to mo er in a report i was writing years ago it was ten years ago and i knew what i meant but i hadn't sat down and defined what i meant, perhaps i should have done. +well i used the word to mo er in a report i was writing years ago it was ten years ago and i knew what i meant but i hadn't sat down and defined what i meant, perhaps i should have done. mm. -since then a program's been written called database one which means something completely different which has been updated to database two and three and may be four, which mean different things, that's why they've got different numbers, they do more clever things and nowadays you talk, you hear people talking about databases and they all mean different things. -they usually mean a file of information which is processed by different, completely different +since then a program's been written called database one which means something completely different which has been updated to database two and three and may be four, which mean different things, that's why they've got different numbers, they do more clever things and nowadays you talk, you hear people talking about databases and they all mean different things. +they usually mean a file of information which is processed by different, completely different computer systems. -one, as it were, to pick out addresses, one to pick out socio-economic groups, one to pick out motor cars, one to pick out number of bedrooms, one to pick out whatever, and trivially or, or superficially everyone says the same thing, a database, it's on the database, now +one, as it were, to pick out addresses, one to pick out socio-economic groups, one to pick out motor cars, one to pick out number of bedrooms, one to pick out whatever, and trivially or, or superficially everyone says the same thing, a database, it's on the database, now yeah. -the file is there, that's a computer term, or exactly that, a l a, a listing of names, addresses and houses and cars and everything else, and a file is a defined computer term, what you do with it is the next thing +the file is there, that's a computer term, or exactly that, a l a, a listing of names, addresses and houses and cars and everything else, and a file is a defined computer term, what you do with it is the next thing mm. -and the way in which you do what you do with it depends on what you put in. +and the way in which you do what you do with it depends on what you put in. if you only put people in who are owner-occupiers then you will not have all the information, all the people, who are in rented accommodation. yeah, yeah. if you only put in people who live in houses, you'll not have all the people who live in maisonettes and flats mm yeah . -if you are not eligible to be put in if you don't have a motor car then you're discounting an enormous number of people who may have motorcycles or motor caravans or, you know, something which is perfectly valid but it invalidates the information that you think you are getting out of the file because you only put in certain perfectly reasonable, groups of er of things and i in, in, in boots there's a, there's a er there's a a wonderful expression or actually is, is the one i'm particularly thinking about, you know we, we sell shall we say a million bottles of aspirin a year, it is in fact considerably more than that, and that is perfectly reasonable and valid and mm but in the definition of that we obviously only included what boots the chemists sold because that's all the people who +if you are not eligible to be put in if you don't have a motor car then you're discounting an enormous number of people who may have motorcycles or motor caravans or, you know, something which is perfectly valid but it invalidates the information that you think you are getting out of the file because you only put in certain perfectly reasonable, groups of er of things and i in, in, in boots there's a, there's a er there's a a wonderful expression or actually is, is the one i'm particularly thinking about, you know we, we sell shall we say a million bottles of aspirin a year, it is in fact considerably more than that, and that is perfectly reasonable and valid and mm but in the definition of that we obviously only included what boots the chemists sold because that's all the people who yeah, that's sold bottles yeah @@ -73945,54 +73878,54 @@ of aspirin yeah. made by boots. but now of course there's crooks and that means, not bottles of aspirins, bad example, but strepsils the lozenges for example, are now sold in an enormous range of private pharmacies which are not boots and they are therefore completely outside the term output, it may be a restricted term, it may not be the one we want, but that is what it was meant and that is what the number is generated from. -now of course er we've sold the er chain of chemists in canada who might have sold bottles of aspirin but, before we sold the chain, there was another enormous quantity of bottles of aspirin which wasn't defined, it was something which was introduced after, long after we defined what we meant by outputs of aspirin. -and the rate of change of, of, of society no the background to what we're doing, shifts the goalposts is the fashionable term but what you thought you meant you no longer mean, and of course, if one is meticulously methodical, one adjusts the definition as the circumstances change +now of course er we've sold the er chain of chemists in canada who might have sold bottles of aspirin but, before we sold the chain, there was another enormous quantity of bottles of aspirin which wasn't defined, it was something which was introduced after, long after we defined what we meant by outputs of aspirin. +and the rate of change of, of, of society no the background to what we're doing, shifts the goalposts is the fashionable term but what you thought you meant you no longer mean, and of course, if one is meticulously methodical, one adjusts the definition as the circumstances change yes, yeah we don't do that. yeah. -not with a thing like a outputs of aspirin, i mean everyone in boots knows what the outputs of aspirin are just strange that they are in fact three times what we'd thought they were and we've course there's crooks, course there's this, course there's that tremendous discernment, tremendous understanding but if you haven't got that tremendous understanding, you've just joined the company, you think you know something and you don't because not what they think they are +not with a thing like a outputs of aspirin, i mean everyone in boots knows what the outputs of aspirin are just strange that they are in fact three times what we'd thought they were and we've course there's crooks, course there's this, course there's that tremendous discernment, tremendous understanding but if you haven't got that tremendous understanding, you've just joined the company, you think you know something and you don't because not what they think they are mm, mm and er anyway, how are you? i, i'm not too bad. -i feel that er it's been a, a slightly peculiar month really. -sort of, when we went to see jan's mother for christmas, i was saying to myself yeah, mm this time last year i was on holiday from work +i feel that er it's been a, a slightly peculiar month really. +sort of, when we went to see jan's mother for christmas, i was saying to myself yeah, mm this time last year i was on holiday from work yeah. -now i am retired and er yes last year i was feeling a bit decrepit, you know i used to go for a full wal walk round after lunch, after dinner, around where she lives and it's much harder now . -mm, how long is it since you knocked off work sick? +now i am retired and er yes last year i was feeling a bit decrepit, you know i used to go for a full wal walk round after lunch, after dinner, around where she lives and it's much harder now . +mm, how long is it since you knocked off work sick? well i got flu in february last year february ninety one? yeah. -s so ah. +s so ah. and i never went back. yeah. but you were presumably feeling not well before then? yeah. -well you, you, you, you, you know the, you know the, the scenario that everything goes wrong, you know, everything goes wrong you know from time to time and you say to yourself oh it'll get better +well you, you, you, you, you know the, you know the, the scenario that everything goes wrong, you know, everything goes wrong you know from time to time and you say to yourself oh it'll get better mm. -it gets better and you say ooh i'm tired +it gets better and you say ooh i'm tired yes, that's right. -oh i've had a bit of a day or erm ooh, whatever it is, and erm i said to myself i am making allowances for being tired and getting, getting on a bit, you know, and that went on for quite a while actually until i said to myself i'm making up allowances you know, i'm +oh i've had a bit of a day or erm ooh, whatever it is, and erm i said to myself i am making allowances for being tired and getting, getting on a bit, you know, and that went on for quite a while actually until i said to myself i'm making up allowances you know, i'm yeah, yeah. -there is something seriously, seriously queer you know maybe it's a brain tumour, you know, maybe it's er i'm going potty, maybe it's all sorts of things, and fortunately i er i s i went to the vet and erm two weeks before he retired but you know he, he was full of experience, that's really what i'm saying, he wouldn't be retiring otherwise +there is something seriously, seriously queer you know maybe it's a brain tumour, you know, maybe it's er i'm going potty, maybe it's all sorts of things, and fortunately i er i s i went to the vet and erm two weeks before he retired but you know he, he was full of experience, that's really what i'm saying, he wouldn't be retiring otherwise yeah, yeah -and er he said to himself there's something i, i, i don't know what it is necessarily but there is something, go to a specialist and the specialist was very very good you know blah blah blah blah you want some te i want some tests, you know, so i had some tests, you know and the crew that were doing the tests they knew what they were looking for and they either found it or they didn't, don't know. -but in due course er when i was still off with flu, erm back to the specialist another test, you know, and that was er march, april of last year and the result of it was that there is something in there which is characteristic of what's, what we call multiple sclerosis which seems to me is about as broad as it's long, you know, it's, it's a very large -yes i i i it's one of those erm illnesses that erm the average person knows of it and, and knows just a little bit but doesn't know very much. -well an an an and i, it seems to me that the, the er i mean you go, you go to the er to the m s society and you find just about everybody there, you know, you find people who, who are in wheelchairs, you find people who are walking around, you find people who are er controlling their diet you find people who are obs s taking extreme dietary precautions, no, not precautions, no they are taking extreme care of their diet, er er i mean on gluten-free diets and you know what that means +and er he said to himself there's something i, i, i don't know what it is necessarily but there is something, go to a specialist and the specialist was very very good you know blah blah blah blah you want some te i want some tests, you know, so i had some tests, you know and the crew that were doing the tests they knew what they were looking for and they either found it or they didn't, don't know. +but in due course er when i was still off with flu, erm back to the specialist another test, you know, and that was er march, april of last year and the result of it was that there is something in there which is characteristic of what's, what we call multiple sclerosis which seems to me is about as broad as it's long, you know, it's, it's a very large +yes i i i it's one of those erm illnesses that erm the average person knows of it and, and knows just a little bit but doesn't know very much. +well an an an and i, it seems to me that the, the er i mean you go, you go to the er to the m s society and you find just about everybody there, you know, you find people who, who are in wheelchairs, you find people who are walking around, you find people who are er controlling their diet you find people who are obs s taking extreme dietary precautions, no, not precautions, no they are taking extreme care of their diet, er er i mean on gluten-free diets and you know what that means mm. you can't have anything which has any yeah. -wheat or barley or anything connected and you find other people who are walking around relatively independently and you find people who are walking around slowly +wheat or barley or anything connected and you find other people who are walking around relatively independently and you find people who are walking around slowly mm. -and you find erm people like lynn you know, bless her, who now, who isn't too bad when she's not too bad and isn't too good when she's not too good, you know, and it is such a very very not only can you not put anything visibly in in common with everyone that's got it, even the people that have got it can't say i cannot do this period, they say oh well i'm not too good now but maybe last week or maybe next week +and you find erm people like lynn you know, bless her, who now, who isn't too bad when she's not too bad and isn't too good when she's not too good, you know, and it is such a very very not only can you not put anything visibly in in common with everyone that's got it, even the people that have got it can't say i cannot do this period, they say oh well i'm not too good now but maybe last week or maybe next week yeah, yeah. -so it's erm it's all a bit peculiar. -you now have to get, in er er, because there was a sort of erm gradation from being off ill, which wasn't familiar, to being off long term sick which you can't have any experience of to erm early retirement on health grounds and you just can't have any experience of that either erm to being retired and it's,i i it's, it's quite interesting +so it's erm it's all a bit peculiar. +you now have to get, in er er, because there was a sort of erm gradation from being off ill, which wasn't familiar, to being off long term sick which you can't have any experience of to erm early retirement on health grounds and you just can't have any experience of that either erm to being retired and it's,i i it's, it's quite interesting mm. -going from one to the other in a year +going from one to the other in a year yeah, i thought it was longer than that you know. -well erm the er th th th the first and most horrific incidence was i think in the may, no no no it wasn't may, it was when we went down to s to cats in london which was at the end of eighty nine beginning of ninety and i went to, i went to the the doctor in june of nineteen ninety and odd things were sort of going through nineteen ninety, but it wasn't until nineteen ninety one and i was off ill and it all went +well erm the er th th th the first and most horrific incidence was i think in the may, no no no it wasn't may, it was when we went down to s to cats in london which was at the end of eighty nine beginning of ninety and i went to, i went to the the doctor in june of nineteen ninety and odd things were sort of going through nineteen ninety, but it wasn't until nineteen ninety one and i was off ill and it all went mm. so it's, it's all part of er life's rich tapestry and erm @@ -74003,31 +73936,31 @@ well she's been back she has? yeah. -and erm in fact she was back all the all the, all the summer -no i meant fairly recently +and erm in fact she was back all the all the, all the summer +no i meant fairly recently no. is it since she er was not well, mm. -erm we had gone down to, to, to bognor to the christening of her, our nephew and she wasn't too,th that was in november, it was sort of middle of november, and something was going wrong there and so when i, when i was retiring on the twenty seventh of november she couldn't come in and er +erm we had gone down to, to, to bognor to the christening of her, our nephew and she wasn't too,th that was in november, it was sort of middle of november, and something was going wrong there and so when i, when i was retiring on the twenty seventh of november she couldn't come in and er was that to boots? d yeah, yeah. -month of december was sort of off and trying to do odd things and then she went down with this, this flu er which was progressively worse since the new year. -so, you know what these girls are, they sort of i personally, you know, as it were a trained scientist, a certified chemist who you tend to, to take a, a slightly er diagnostic view of things, but that's not quite right, but you take a slightly objective view of things and i, i, i, i've been thinking to myself ah it is rotten unfair on girls because sometimes sort of between about fifteen and twenty five, but now i suppose because they're all growing up so much earlier it's between ten and twenty, they have a pretty monumental change, they, and, and it's not a bundle of laughs but they can talk to their friends, they can see their friends and talk to their mothers, they can get a vague way it's gonna affect them and they can you know, sort of, let's say twenty, twenty five settle into a routine which has variations every, during the four weeks and they vary between individuals, i mean it's well known +month of december was sort of off and trying to do odd things and then she went down with this, this flu er which was progressively worse since the new year. +so, you know what these girls are, they sort of i personally, you know, as it were a trained scientist, a certified chemist who you tend to, to take a, a slightly er diagnostic view of things, but that's not quite right, but you take a slightly objective view of things and i, i, i, i've been thinking to myself ah it is rotten unfair on girls because sometimes sort of between about fifteen and twenty five, but now i suppose because they're all growing up so much earlier it's between ten and twenty, they have a pretty monumental change, they, and, and it's not a bundle of laughs but they can talk to their friends, they can see their friends and talk to their mothers, they can get a vague way it's gonna affect them and they can you know, sort of, let's say twenty, twenty five settle into a routine which has variations every, during the four weeks and they vary between individuals, i mean it's well known yeah, that's right. -you know that s some don't really have a great deal of problem, others really do have a sort of off work for two or three days every month and it's not a bundle of laughs because, you know, that really must be difficult, but they, they get a rough idea of how it for them +you know that s some don't really have a great deal of problem, others really do have a sort of off work for two or three days every month and it's not a bundle of laughs because, you know, that really must be difficult, but they, they get a rough idea of how it for them mm. -and it goes through their, for the rest of their twenties, the rest of their thirties and most of their forties and then suddenly bang maybe something ghastly seems to be happening which they are absolutely unaware of, you know, they don't know why they are crying or, or er unable to cope with whatever they can't cope with and that's it, that's them off and they start worrying about er osteoporosis and you know an enormous number of, of now medically defined problems of the menopause, and they may start going on to all sorts of things like hormone replacement therapy or even primrose oil or whatever the hell and they're sitting there at an age when they are fairly loaded up with experience and maturity and all the rest of it and they don't know what they are doing . -all the wisdom of er in, in writing and doctors and everything else says oh it all varies you know some do this and some do that some go straight through in a regal dignified way and they just carry on into relatively old age, you know, smooth as relaxed, nothing to worry about, away. +and it goes through their, for the rest of their twenties, the rest of their thirties and most of their forties and then suddenly bang maybe something ghastly seems to be happening which they are absolutely unaware of, you know, they don't know why they are crying or, or er unable to cope with whatever they can't cope with and that's it, that's them off and they start worrying about er osteoporosis and you know an enormous number of, of now medically defined problems of the menopause, and they may start going on to all sorts of things like hormone replacement therapy or even primrose oil or whatever the hell and they're sitting there at an age when they are fairly loaded up with experience and maturity and all the rest of it and they don't know what they are doing . +all the wisdom of er in, in writing and doctors and everything else says oh it all varies you know some do this and some do that some go straight through in a regal dignified way and they just carry on into relatively old age, you know, smooth as relaxed, nothing to worry about, away. mm, mm -and tt jan was er was er wondering during last year and went on to hormone replacement therapy because she was and the doctor was a bit concerned about possible osteoporosis which is erm brittle bone +and tt jan was er was er wondering during last year and went on to hormone replacement therapy because she was and the doctor was a bit concerned about possible osteoporosis which is erm brittle bone yeah -i it's, it's obviously a thing which, if one can possibly avoid it's a good idea to and erm i must say it helped but it you don't know what is helping because you know we don't know what her symptoms are going to be . +i it's, it's obviously a thing which, if one can possibly avoid it's a good idea to and erm i must say it helped but it you don't know what is helping because you know we don't know what her symptoms are going to be . maybe h r t was helping what her symptoms would have been if she hadn't taken them, maybe they were worse because she was, maybe they were the same in spite of it, but i dunno. -er anyhow th th the, the eventual thing was maybe her blood pressure was going up higher than it should and maybe whether the cumulative stress of having a husband off in my state, maybe +er anyhow th th the, the eventual thing was maybe her blood pressure was going up higher than it should and maybe whether the cumulative stress of having a husband off in my state, maybe yeah what -her, you know maybe all sorts of things -yeah well this is,th this is it i mean th th there are often a lot of things happening at the same time er er some of which as you just sort of hinted at are sort of er erm of a psychological er er have a psychological factor in them which all add to it don't they? -well my feeling is that you know if yo if you're car doesn't run tinker with the carburettor and if it still isn't running right, tinker with something else, if you like, the fatal thing is to tinker with both because then you just don't know what you've got, and erm she's been on, on this hormone replacement which is er er no big deal but, you know, hormones are +her, you know maybe all sorts of things +yeah well this is,th this is it i mean th th there are often a lot of things happening at the same time er er some of which as you just sort of hinted at are sort of er erm of a psychological er er have a psychological factor in them which all add to it don't they? +well my feeling is that you know if yo if you're car doesn't run tinker with the carburettor and if it still isn't running right, tinker with something else, if you like, the fatal thing is to tinker with both because then you just don't know what you've got, and erm she's been on, on this hormone replacement which is er er no big deal but, you know, hormones are well th big things. i, i, i've met ladies who have, have really benefited @@ -74035,53 +73968,53 @@ oh yeah from it. oh yeah. yeah. -erm her blood pressure was being, being depressed er by some other, you know, blood pressure regulator and erm one of the side effects of hormone replacement may be, yeah,that people's susceptibility to migraine is heightened. -so y y y you, you, you, you've got at least three things which are all sort of brewing up there and you think good grief what a, what a, what a state to be in because the poor doctor doesn't know what on earth to do, poor jan doesn't know, well it's worse for jan cos she's sitting there thinking i'm going potty or, you know, can't stand properly or you know is leaning over or, or numb down one side of her face or, or or whatever it was, it was i i it was the, the dizziness i think actually which which was most alarming. -and so erm get flu on top of it all erm +erm her blood pressure was being, being depressed er by some other, you know, blood pressure regulator and erm one of the side effects of hormone replacement may be, yeah,that people's susceptibility to migraine is heightened. +so y y y you, you, you, you've got at least three things which are all sort of brewing up there and you think good grief what a, what a, what a state to be in because the poor doctor doesn't know what on earth to do, poor jan doesn't know, well it's worse for jan cos she's sitting there thinking i'm going potty or, you know, can't stand properly or you know is leaning over or, or numb down one side of her face or, or or whatever it was, it was i i it was the, the dizziness i think actually which which was most alarming. +and so erm get flu on top of it all erm quite. it really is a very difficult, difficult erm yeah there's quite a bit of flu about at the moment isn't there? yeah. -well what i know the answer is is to say don't worry be concerned but don't worry because worrying doesn't do you no good, it doesn't do the condition no good and it doesn't do everybody else any good either because they just say oh she's you know what she is, depressed by whatever it is and that's, as it were, objectively logical but wh wh what seems to me to be the absolutely overwhelming is to say he's not worried, he's desperately concerned, he's more concerned than humans can possibly be but if god isn't worried, what on earth are we burning up our resources worrying about because if he's not worried concerned yes, but he's not worried. +well what i know the answer is is to say don't worry be concerned but don't worry because worrying doesn't do you no good, it doesn't do the condition no good and it doesn't do everybody else any good either because they just say oh she's you know what she is, depressed by whatever it is and that's, as it were, objectively logical but wh wh what seems to me to be the absolutely overwhelming is to say he's not worried, he's desperately concerned, he's more concerned than humans can possibly be but if god isn't worried, what on earth are we burning up our resources worrying about because if he's not worried concerned yes, but he's not worried. who are you talking about now? god. oh god, yeah. yeah. -i mean he is desperately concerned, i mean he, he loves us all with a concern which just er er er er i is greater than anything we can understand, so concern at the at the slightest er doubt about, i can't understand how concerned he is but er i totally relax +i mean he is desperately concerned, i mean he, he loves us all with a concern which just er er er er i is greater than anything we can understand, so concern at the at the slightest er doubt about, i can't understand how concerned he is but er i totally relax yeah -but if the god of heaven is concerned that's fine, he's not worrying because he created the whole thing, therefore it seemed to me pretty good reason to be concerned +but if the god of heaven is concerned that's fine, he's not worrying because he created the whole thing, therefore it seemed to me pretty good reason to be concerned concerned but not worried. but not worried, and i'm certainly not yeah i, well i'm with you mm -you know, lying awake at nights you know cos er th three and four in the morning everything's quiet, you know, +you know, lying awake at nights you know cos er th three and four in the morning everything's quiet, you know, mm. the heating's off yeah. -i think people who are liable to worry about their condition have a very very difficult time at three and four in the morning and er old ladies are particularly vulnerable i think. +i think people who are liable to worry about their condition have a very very difficult time at three and four in the morning and er old ladies are particularly vulnerable i think. well i, i had a period of waking up at four -isn't it +isn't it and not going off again. isn't it mind you demoralising? yeah but i'd far sooner do that than not get off to sleep at night. -yeah i think that's that's right, you know. -that's where everyone's different of course but erm i, i think it is, it is it is a factor that erm one can watch television or can listen to the radio or one can go for a walk or do all sorts of things as it were before noon and midnight but three or four in the morning, you know, when everything is +yeah i think that's that's right, you know. +that's where everyone's different of course but erm i, i think it is, it is it is a factor that erm one can watch television or can listen to the radio or one can go for a walk or do all sorts of things as it were before noon and midnight but three or four in the morning, you know, when everything is mm at a very low level i think it's a very potentially demoralising thing mm al although -yeah although it didn't, it didn't i w i wasn't too concerned about it, i thought well you know i'm resting er and er i'm the sort of person who only needs about six hours, if i get six hours i'm okay erm, you know, on a regular basis i'm talking about. +yeah although it didn't, it didn't i w i wasn't too concerned about it, i thought well you know i'm resting er and er i'm the sort of person who only needs about six hours, if i get six hours i'm okay erm, you know, on a regular basis i'm talking about. so er i mean it didn't really affect me too much. -but it's a low time isn't it? +but it's a low time isn't it? and it can be mm. well er well er here again i think er it's the old old story of erm it affects different people different ways. -where some people are better a at night i'm erm i'm now talking about before going to bed +where some people are better a at night i'm erm i'm now talking about before going to bed mm. -th than first thing in the morning erm whereas i, i think probably i am probably better as soon as i get up than last thing at night. -yes er i, i, i, i think one's either an owl or a some other bird which,wh wh which doesn't at night but does by, by, by day you know. -yeah i, i, i think that er the, the, the m s society have er er say that we've got eighty thousand members in the united kingdom, great britain, northern ireland only problem is they appear to have eighty thousand different conditions +th than first thing in the morning erm whereas i, i think probably i am probably better as soon as i get up than last thing at night. +yes er i, i, i, i think one's either an owl or a some other bird which,wh wh which doesn't at night but does by, by, by day you know. +yeah i, i, i think that er the, the, the m s society have er er say that we've got eighty thousand members in the united kingdom, great britain, northern ireland only problem is they appear to have eighty thousand different conditions yeah yeah that's absolutely right. every doctor will say you know @@ -74092,77 +74025,77 @@ and some of them differ so much from others who you put in the same box and you mm. think well maybe we've got the box wrong. mm. -i think, i think that's it and er tt -you mentioned christopher , what er the last time it's, i'm going back a little while, the last time i was talking with janet he, she was a bit unhappy, i think he was in er a teaching practice at the time and she was wondering how he was going to go on. +i think, i think that's it and er tt +you mentioned christopher , what er the last time it's, i'm going back a little while, the last time i was talking with janet he, she was a bit unhappy, i think he was in er a teaching practice at the time and she was wondering how he was going to go on. that must be the best part of the year ago i should think though now. yeah. -well the, the, the, the, the sort of, the sort of background as i have seen it he never struck me as being particularly clever or bright it's just that he always seemed to be very well taught and academically successful and exams never seemed an undue problem, and so he went off to wolverhampton poly which he selected for, you know, all the usual reasons, reasonable place, reasonable course, a reasonable this a reasonable that,tt erm to do computer science which of course all the kids want to do now erm twentieth centu no it isn't it's a sort of nineteen eighties version of wanting to be an engine driver isn't it? -they all want to be so he went off to be a computer scientist and either he was too interested in er what he describes as cult television which you think -but it's not television,i i it's, it's doctor who and, and prisoner and, you know er very interesting and very easy for enthusiasts to direct a lot of their time and energy to maybe i don't maybe there was a increased pressure to work and study which was erm self motivated rather than being externally imposed, maybe he maybe there was a fundamental lack of enthusiasm in him for what is described as the hardware of computing, the, the, the, the, the instruments, the machines maybe there was a less than comprehensive understanding of what is known as the firmware, that's to say i mean operating systems that are built into the thing to make it work, you've got to understand the firmware because otherwise you don't understand what the machine will think you mean and what that will do and i would have thought that whereas superficially you can ignore the firmware, it's all in there, it understands as you, i would have thought, grew into a er a graduate computer scientist you've got to have some idea about that. +well the, the, the, the, the sort of, the sort of background as i have seen it he never struck me as being particularly clever or bright it's just that he always seemed to be very well taught and academically successful and exams never seemed an undue problem, and so he went off to wolverhampton poly which he selected for, you know, all the usual reasons, reasonable place, reasonable course, a reasonable this a reasonable that,tt erm to do computer science which of course all the kids want to do now erm twentieth centu no it isn't it's a sort of nineteen eighties version of wanting to be an engine driver isn't it? +they all want to be so he went off to be a computer scientist and either he was too interested in er what he describes as cult television which you think +but it's not television,i i it's, it's doctor who and, and prisoner and, you know er very interesting and very easy for enthusiasts to direct a lot of their time and energy to maybe i don't maybe there was a increased pressure to work and study which was erm self motivated rather than being externally imposed, maybe he maybe there was a fundamental lack of enthusiasm in him for what is described as the hardware of computing, the, the, the, the, the instruments, the machines maybe there was a less than comprehensive understanding of what is known as the firmware, that's to say i mean operating systems that are built into the thing to make it work, you've got to understand the firmware because otherwise you don't understand what the machine will think you mean and what that will do and i would have thought that whereas superficially you can ignore the firmware, it's all in there, it understands as you, i would have thought, grew into a er a graduate computer scientist you've got to have some idea about that. er maybe he was, i think, a little superficial in his enthusiasm for what is referred to as the software, that's to say that's the computer programs that you yeah. -write, you write and er feed into the thing which it operates along the rules defined by its firmware which someone else has put into it. -anyhow, whatever it was, maybe a little, as jan says, he also had a f a bad flu bug at a bad time anyhow he crashed out of the computer science course and he announced that he was only regarding the computer science course as being a stepping stone to being a teacher so the sensible thing to do would be to go on to the teacher training course at lancashire, an education course, cos that's what he wanted to do. -so that cost an awful lot of money because he was on a grant of course and he, he spent er about a year as a trainee teacher and we thought that was great because he was, he was dealing with, with er +write, you write and er feed into the thing which it operates along the rules defined by its firmware which someone else has put into it. +anyhow, whatever it was, maybe a little, as jan says, he also had a f a bad flu bug at a bad time anyhow he crashed out of the computer science course and he announced that he was only regarding the computer science course as being a stepping stone to being a teacher so the sensible thing to do would be to go on to the teacher training course at lancashire, an education course, cos that's what he wanted to do. +so that cost an awful lot of money because he was on a grant of course and he, he spent er about a year as a trainee teacher and we thought that was great because he was, he was dealing with, with er wasn't he i in juniors yeah yeah well i can't remember what the terms are, infants er there's infants and juniors isn't there? yeah it,i it's the very young ones ah infants. -it was the very young ones and er the vast majority of infant teachers are girls +it was the very young ones and er the vast majority of infant teachers are girls yeah. -and so he had a a degree of uniqueness and er in the area that he was vast numbers of ethnic minorities so he was er he was a white male vegetarian -and i would have thought it was absolutely great, you know,he really, i would have though had a stimulating, challenging lovely environment to, to, to be in, i, i, i, i, i hoped that if he was going , i thought he was going to go on, it was just going to be very expensive tt paying his fees, his this -i was therefore a little surprised and very disappointed when he failed his teaching practice. -erm i was, i was a bit erm about that, you know, i just though what on earth now? -he is unemployed and receiving state benefit as employed which isn't very much +and so he had a a degree of uniqueness and er in the area that he was vast numbers of ethnic minorities so he was er he was a white male vegetarian +and i would have thought it was absolutely great, you know,he really, i would have though had a stimulating, challenging lovely environment to, to, to be in, i, i, i, i, i hoped that if he was going , i thought he was going to go on, it was just going to be very expensive tt paying his fees, his this +i was therefore a little surprised and very disappointed when he failed his teaching practice. +erm i was, i was a bit erm about that, you know, i just though what on earth now? +he is unemployed and receiving state benefit as employed which isn't very much is he at home or is he down there? -he wants, wants to stay with us forever +he wants, wants to stay with us forever yeah quite. quite. -i erm am obviously feeling guilty cos i'm not feeling guilty but it makes me cough a bit to go to the post office every week and get vastly more disabl disability er invalidity benefit than he gets, vastly more. -and each month boots pensions limited pay me a very reasonable pension. +i erm am obviously feeling guilty cos i'm not feeling guilty but it makes me cough a bit to go to the post office every week and get vastly more disabl disability er invalidity benefit than he gets, vastly more. +and each month boots pensions limited pay me a very reasonable pension. mm. large, not generous but i think good grief poor christopher's sitting there . -i agree the state is picking up his, his rent which is er er quite a lot er but even so, you know,he hasn't got very much money and cannot have a very enthusiastic view of what the future holds +i agree the state is picking up his, his rent which is er er quite a lot er but even so, you know,he hasn't got very much money and cannot have a very enthusiastic view of what the future holds yeah, yeah. it's a very bad time. it is bad yeah. -so he's, he's now doing er a level psychology and g s c e sociology at night school whilst he is keeping his days free to try and get a job which is not easy anywhere +so he's, he's now doing er a level psychology and g s c e sociology at night school whilst he is keeping his days free to try and get a job which is not easy anywhere right. -it is no easier in greater wolverhampton, and if you have eczema and a congenitally weak back you aren't actually falling over yourself in prospects for the best chances. -so erm we're both very concerned, not worried, very concerned about what on earth he is doing and what he is going to do. +it is no easier in greater wolverhampton, and if you have eczema and a congenitally weak back you aren't actually falling over yourself in prospects for the best chances. +so erm we're both very concerned, not worried, very concerned about what on earth he is doing and what he is going to do. yeah quite. -you know he's twenty two, twenty three years old, you know, you know whatever he's doing he's liable to be with him for a few years yet and what can one see +you know he's twenty two, twenty three years old, you know, you know whatever he's doing he's liable to be with him for a few years yet and what can one see yeah. you know? yeah. -there just doesn't seem to be anything on the, on the horizon. -so after he's, he's sat these two exams erm +there just doesn't seem to be anything on the, on the horizon. +so after he's, he's sat these two exams erm is he doing them this year? yeah, mm. -he may be eligible to be on a training course, for what we don't know, but er after you've been unemployed six months you are either required to or you have the opportunity to, or you can go on a state training course but what they train you for or to do we, we haven't actually got defined yet. -and possibly either after that or simultaneously with that or to transfer there, he might go up to live in his father's house up in yorkshire, mytholmroyd er er i dunno but it seems to me that if there is a worse place to be unemployed than wolverhampton, west riding has gotta be erm a competitor +he may be eligible to be on a training course, for what we don't know, but er after you've been unemployed six months you are either required to or you have the opportunity to, or you can go on a state training course but what they train you for or to do we, we haven't actually got defined yet. +and possibly either after that or simultaneously with that or to transfer there, he might go up to live in his father's house up in yorkshire, mytholmroyd er er i dunno but it seems to me that if there is a worse place to be unemployed than wolverhampton, west riding has gotta be erm a competitor yeah, yeah -and hebden bridge and sowerby bridge seem to be, you know, on each side of m mytholmroyd, you know, on a railway line from halifax which goes through to and todmorden and places. -beautiful part of the world, you know, maybe that's exactly what you wanna do, you wanna kick out wolverhampton and go for mytholmroyd particularly if you've got a house or if your father's got a house there which is there maybe a lot, a lot , a lot going for it but you're looking for this long term prospects +and hebden bridge and sowerby bridge seem to be, you know, on each side of m mytholmroyd, you know, on a railway line from halifax which goes through to and todmorden and places. +beautiful part of the world, you know, maybe that's exactly what you wanna do, you wanna kick out wolverhampton and go for mytholmroyd particularly if you've got a house or if your father's got a house there which is there maybe a lot, a lot , a lot going for it but you're looking for this long term prospects yeah quite er it doesn't sound too good. -so er i i thought to myself well i dunno, i dunno all these newton girls have been off to sri lanka or or, or zaire or wherever and you'd you know, isn't that great? -don't really want to he's not very keen on the prospect of going v s o or whatever. -and then i say to myself oh come on, oh don't say when i was your age i wanted did nearly or whatever. +so er i i thought to myself well i dunno, i dunno all these newton girls have been off to sri lanka or or, or zaire or wherever and you'd you know, isn't that great? +don't really want to he's not very keen on the prospect of going v s o or whatever. +and then i say to myself oh come on, oh don't say when i was your age i wanted did nearly or whatever. say but then they have to er raise money to go. right. i mean it -i think it's only, i don't think he, he's there's any cheap answers +i think it's only, i don't think he, he's there's any cheap answers no. -and i know la well some time when retirement was looking on the on the horizon i was saying to him you're not alone but, you know, you've gotta be looking towards being on your own because of course -mother and i hope father and i will be around to want to pick up what we can to help you've gotta start thinking about standing on your own feet, you know, because admittedly i er i, i, i could turn out to be not as bad a financial state as i anticipated but i never was stinking rich and i'm certainly not stinking rich now, so erm i mean -no but quite apart from that, er th there's anybody er needs to aim to be self sufficient don't they? -well i, i, i, i think that you've got to move in that direction rather than maintaining the status quo. -so erm if, if it was er if it was a matter of oh bankrolling him out to wherever it was or supplementing his own resources okay, but the, the experience and i mean the personal experience as well as the er the skills experience +and i know la well some time when retirement was looking on the on the horizon i was saying to him you're not alone but, you know, you've gotta be looking towards being on your own because of course +mother and i hope father and i will be around to want to pick up what we can to help you've gotta start thinking about standing on your own feet, you know, because admittedly i er i, i, i could turn out to be not as bad a financial state as i anticipated but i never was stinking rich and i'm certainly not stinking rich now, so erm i mean +no but quite apart from that, er th there's anybody er needs to aim to be self sufficient don't they? +well i, i, i, i think that you've got to move in that direction rather than maintaining the status quo. +so erm if, if it was er if it was a matter of oh bankrolling him out to wherever it was or supplementing his own resources okay, but the, the experience and i mean the personal experience as well as the er the skills experience mm. that yeah but he's got to want to do it. @@ -74173,141 +74106,141 @@ there is no possible way of shipping an unwilling young person out. no that's right. because even i don't think there ever was. -e e even those that er you know are definitely wanting to go and keen can get homesick fairly soon. +e e even those that er you know are definitely wanting to go and keen can get homesick fairly soon. oh yeah. -but you know erm if, if, if you look back to the days of the raj erm it was a even within my living memory, erm people were joining the armed services or the overseas er er corp and the civil service overseas i suppose, yeah, er at a, at a fairly humble level and would either work their way up or they drink themselves stupid or they get mixed up with someone or they, you know but it was a, a, a recognized way of, of, of going, you know, either join the services or the +but you know erm if, if, if you look back to the days of the raj erm it was a even within my living memory, erm people were joining the armed services or the overseas er er corp and the civil service overseas i suppose, yeah, er at a, at a fairly humble level and would either work their way up or they drink themselves stupid or they get mixed up with someone or they, you know but it was a, a, a recognized way of, of, of going, you know, either join the services or the mm. -or the church of course was another one, erm but none of these traditional erm avenues exist now +or the church of course was another one, erm but none of these traditional erm avenues exist now no. -and more and more and more people are looking for experience, they're looking for vocations, they're looking for er the sort of attributes which, you know, aren't actually overflowing when you're unemployed in wolverhampton +and more and more and more people are looking for experience, they're looking for vocations, they're looking for er the sort of attributes which, you know, aren't actually overflowing when you're unemployed in wolverhampton that's right. having failed out on two poly courses. -so erm we as, we as i say are very concerned about er that can't have done jan any good, that's +so erm we as, we as i say are very concerned about er that can't have done jan any good, that's no no, that's right. -she really has this er attitude which i cannot understand because erm a a as i think it was al reeve said, you know, erm some people can't bear children, we can't, but we like them but if you have actually borne children, you are in other words a mother, you've gotta have a attitude, not only to children in general but to your children in particular, which is very very difficult for er a male to understand and a non-father, it's gonna be very very difficult cos i personally don't have any children at all and therefore it is very very difficult for me to even comprehend but given that i can erm i can sympathize with something i do not comprehend it must be monumentally difficult for her +she really has this er attitude which i cannot understand because erm a a as i think it was al reeve said, you know, erm some people can't bear children, we can't, but we like them but if you have actually borne children, you are in other words a mother, you've gotta have a attitude, not only to children in general but to your children in particular, which is very very difficult for er a male to understand and a non-father, it's gonna be very very difficult cos i personally don't have any children at all and therefore it is very very difficult for me to even comprehend but given that i can erm i can sympathize with something i do not comprehend it must be monumentally difficult for her yeah. it really must . yes, oh yes,th th that's right, there's no doubt about it. -and erm poor jan is saying what have i done, should i have done, could i have done +and erm poor jan is saying what have i done, should i have done, could i have done yeah. -and, you know, once you start into, into that er scenario yo yo yo you, you, you can't very very little erm opportunity for anything because all you can do is, is to say what do we do now, never mind what we could, should or might have done then, what do we do now because the future is that way and the past is +and, you know, once you start into, into that er scenario yo yo yo you, you, you can't very very little erm opportunity for anything because all you can do is, is to say what do we do now, never mind what we could, should or might have done then, what do we do now because the future is that way and the past is yeah. -we can be influenced by history, we can, we learn from history, we can do all sorts of things about history but what er er as far as er christopher's concerned, what do we do now because that i just don't know! +we can be influenced by history, we can, we learn from history, we can do all sorts of things about history but what er er as far as er christopher's concerned, what do we do now because that i just don't know! i just no. don't know! no that's right. -and erm the really distressing thing is i think christopher is saying what to do now i think he is saying oh you know +and erm the really distressing thing is i think christopher is saying what to do now i think he is saying oh you know yeah. i, i've been yeah -depending on, sponging off er whatever for however long and now he is going, is, is retiring on health grounds, you know, he really isn't going to be er able to bankroll me +depending on, sponging off er whatever for however long and now he is going, is, is retiring on health grounds, you know, he really isn't going to be er able to bankroll me you mean he, he's now talking about you? yeah, yeah. well i mean, yeah, he er thinking, yeah. -he's not, he's not, he's not a, he's not stupid, christopher, he, he's certainly not stupid, and er he must have seen, i mean i assume he keeps his bank statements, i mean i'm afraid we have one or two bank statements which show thousands of pounds that he's received from us over the last year erm and, you know, he can't blind because they've all gone through his bank account, you know, he must +he's not, he's not, he's not a, he's not stupid, christopher, he, he's certainly not stupid, and er he must have seen, i mean i assume he keeps his bank statements, i mean i'm afraid we have one or two bank statements which show thousands of pounds that he's received from us over the last year erm and, you know, he can't blind because they've all gone through his bank account, you know, he must yeah, quite -be thinking good grief, you know, i haven't had a a, a, a successful, happy year or so +be thinking good grief, you know, i haven't had a a, a, a successful, happy year or so no. -and it has, it has represented volumes of money which the state can't or won't or doesn't carry on with. +and it has, it has represented volumes of money which the state can't or won't or doesn't carry on with. so i think he's sitting there in wolverhampton about this time wondering what on earth he is i'm sure he must be -looking forward to and that is a very very painful situation to be in isn't it? +looking forward to and that is a very very painful situation to be in isn't it? mm. -i, i just don't know what he's, he's, he's, he's, he's seeing his future as being and erm maybe cos we haven't got , maybe erm it's because of the generation gap, maybe it's because of communication problems either between me and him or the young and old or whatever but, you know, he just doesn't seem to have anything to volunteer er other than ah well i'll try and get a job or ah well i'll try and get some more qualifications or whatever. +i, i just don't know what he's, he's, he's, he's, he's seeing his future as being and erm maybe cos we haven't got , maybe erm it's because of the generation gap, maybe it's because of communication problems either between me and him or the young and old or whatever but, you know, he just doesn't seem to have anything to volunteer er other than ah well i'll try and get a job or ah well i'll try and get some more qualifications or whatever. so, yeah, that's sort of yeah, yeah anoth another bit in the yeah. where, whereabouts is lyndsey in her training now? -oh she's erm tt she is the brighter spark on the horizon i suppose, you know? -it makes me cough a bit because when i came on the scene he was the one academically everything and she was the one who was academically rather disadvantaged but she, she was, you know,no not having the greatest of, of, of success but erm it was said that she wouldn't be able to be a student nurse because she wasn't bright enough but you know she clocked up the o levels and a levels like guide badges and she went off on this pre-nursing course in south notts you know and she was in and out of the queens on a course and people and, you know,and she said i don't know all the answers but i've a rough idea about some of the questions, i want to be a nurse and off she went to, to, to walsall and i'm not saying she's a brilliant student nurse but erm absolutely clear that she's better than some of the others. -and er, you know, that's negative if you will but it's fact +oh she's erm tt she is the brighter spark on the horizon i suppose, you know? +it makes me cough a bit because when i came on the scene he was the one academically everything and she was the one who was academically rather disadvantaged but she, she was, you know,no not having the greatest of, of, of success but erm it was said that she wouldn't be able to be a student nurse because she wasn't bright enough but you know she clocked up the o levels and a levels like guide badges and she went off on this pre-nursing course in south notts you know and she was in and out of the queens on a course and people and, you know,and she said i don't know all the answers but i've a rough idea about some of the questions, i want to be a nurse and off she went to, to, to walsall and i'm not saying she's a brilliant student nurse but erm absolutely clear that she's better than some of the others. +and er, you know, that's negative if you will but it's fact yeah. -and she's still enjoying it which is great +and she's still enjoying it which is great yeah, so, so what year is she, er third year? yeah. mm. takes her finals this, this summer. -and erm not only er do i think that er she'll probably be reasonably good with, with finals i'm absolutely sure that her course reports from, you know, all the places where she's been will be better than most of the other candidates, you know, because she brings home these,the these reports, you know, and she says it looks alright, you know,beginning of the course nurse is lacking in this or has not got that or is not, you know, you think mm pretty the end of the course nurse got the hang of, is very good, has done this, has done that, has supported this and you think mm pretty, well that's lovely you know but she didn't have the experience during the whatever, she had been given the experience and the end of it brilliant +and erm not only er do i think that er she'll probably be reasonably good with, with finals i'm absolutely sure that her course reports from, you know, all the places where she's been will be better than most of the other candidates, you know, because she brings home these,the these reports, you know, and she says it looks alright, you know,beginning of the course nurse is lacking in this or has not got that or is not, you know, you think mm pretty the end of the course nurse got the hang of, is very good, has done this, has done that, has supported this and you think mm pretty, well that's lovely you know but she didn't have the experience during the whatever, she had been given the experience and the end of it brilliant mm. a or whatever it is, you know? mm. and er i, i would therefore think that i it's, it's unlikely that she'll crash out on her exams. -but if she did i think she will pass out on her record because perhaps, even more delightful than someone who, you know, sitting down to an exam and, and doing reasonably well on it. -so i, i, i think that er one of the, the comforting things which er i c i can see is that she has grown in self confidence, not cockiness, self confidence. -she has learnt, she has absorbed inwardly digested a quantity, a consid considerable quantity of it, i think that she will be a reasonably useful nurse to have around. +but if she did i think she will pass out on her record because perhaps, even more delightful than someone who, you know, sitting down to an exam and, and doing reasonably well on it. +so i, i, i think that er one of the, the comforting things which er i c i can see is that she has grown in self confidence, not cockiness, self confidence. +she has learnt, she has absorbed inwardly digested a quantity, a consid considerable quantity of it, i think that she will be a reasonably useful nurse to have around. mm. -that's lovely +that's lovely yeah, yeah -you know, they, they, they can be a bit hard, they can be a bit bitter, they can drink a bit too much, they can be a bit promiscuous, they can be all sorts of rather iffy things but i don't think lyndsey will. +you know, they, they, they can be a bit hard, they can be a bit bitter, they can drink a bit too much, they can be a bit promiscuous, they can be all sorts of rather iffy things but i don't think lyndsey will. i, i, i, i've got, i think all the evidence is building towards her being mm. a good little nurse. yeah. -what on earth she does then i dunno. -erm mm i can't remember, alan and josie's daughter down the road, erm she passed out as a nurse from queens a while ago and you know what students are in general, nurses in particular , there was, you would expect, one hell of a party when the exam results were public what came out of the the party was when she got a job as a nurse. +what on earth she does then i dunno. +erm mm i can't remember, alan and josie's daughter down the road, erm she passed out as a nurse from queens a while ago and you know what students are in general, nurses in particular , there was, you would expect, one hell of a party when the exam results were public what came out of the the party was when she got a job as a nurse. and that is absolutely mind blowing to me yeah. -because i can remember, and it's not that long ago for goodness sake, that if you qualified as a nurse, and will probably tell even the same story to an extent, there was no problem about a job, you were a certified nurse, bang. +because i can remember, and it's not that long ago for goodness sake, that if you qualified as a nurse, and will probably tell even the same story to an extent, there was no problem about a job, you were a certified nurse, bang. that's right. -well er i mean that's not going back too far either. -well it ain't now +well er i mean that's not going back too far either. +well it ain't now mm. -and er er er er the situation is that you can, in, in some of these nursing schools where they have taught you and it is their letterhead that's on your pass-out, they still aren't in a position to say oh well there's a job of course because you don't need to have passed out top, you know, to be guaranteed a job, there ain't no jobs guaranteed for no one. +and er er er er the situation is that you can, in, in some of these nursing schools where they have taught you and it is their letterhead that's on your pass-out, they still aren't in a position to say oh well there's a job of course because you don't need to have passed out top, you know, to be guaranteed a job, there ain't no jobs guaranteed for no one. and er i just don't know what to do. -california and saudi arabia are two of the, you know, destinations that come to mind but erm i don't know about that either, you know, if she doesn't +california and saudi arabia are two of the, you know, destinations that come to mind but erm i don't know about that either, you know, if she doesn't what month does she take the exam? -oh i er er i think it's erm july or er june, july or august, it's, it's, it's it's +oh i er er i think it's erm july or er june, july or august, it's, it's, it's it's yeah. the summer. -i think she maybe takes the exams in june and gets the results in july and er then we're fifty in august and then we go off to north america in september i think, you know, er i think, i, i can't quite remember the details but erm +i think she maybe takes the exams in june and gets the results in july and er then we're fifty in august and then we go off to north america in september i think, you know, er i think, i, i can't quite remember the details but erm you've got a holiday booked? yes, yes good. -well we've erm we've erm we've been rather tempted by the west coast er i personally want to see the grand canyon and erm i'd like to see san francisco so the package which is being offered to the boots association with whom we've been away several times and we lo we like it as, as a, as a background because you've got a rough idea, you know, the people you're going with +well we've erm we've erm we've been rather tempted by the west coast er i personally want to see the grand canyon and erm i'd like to see san francisco so the package which is being offered to the boots association with whom we've been away several times and we lo we like it as, as a, as a background because you've got a rough idea, you know, the people you're going with yes. -there are, there are very very few who are chasing women or men and there are very very few who are er requiring to be prised out of the bar erm at two o'clock in the morning. -there are very very few who are er interested in finding a gambling haunt or a, you know, television or film theatre or whatever, you know, er er by and large there are a lot of people who chat to a waitress if they're a bloke or, or chat to the, the whatever it is if they're girls but er in, in a, in a friendly way, who will have a drink but will not be paralytically drunk, who may watch television or a, you know, film or theatre or something if it's appropriate but won't get twitched if it isn't, you know, and and by and large erm all the people we've, we've, we've, we've come across i came across before have been very very good company and it is, it is delightful to have the have you, cos have you been on a si on a signpost? -yes a signpost holiday, yeah +there are, there are very very few who are chasing women or men and there are very very few who are er requiring to be prised out of the bar erm at two o'clock in the morning. +there are very very few who are er interested in finding a gambling haunt or a, you know, television or film theatre or whatever, you know, er er by and large there are a lot of people who chat to a waitress if they're a bloke or, or chat to the, the whatever it is if they're girls but er in, in a, in a friendly way, who will have a drink but will not be paralytically drunk, who may watch television or a, you know, film or theatre or something if it's appropriate but won't get twitched if it isn't, you know, and and by and large erm all the people we've, we've, we've, we've come across i came across before have been very very good company and it is, it is delightful to have the have you, cos have you been on a si on a signpost? +yes a signpost holiday, yeah yeah. mm. -well er i think that getting away the oh you live in nottingham, oh fancy that you know, you, you know where you're starting, you know, everyone either works for boots or used to work for boots and, you know, you've got a rough idea, you, you, you don't need to go into the oh fancy that you know, all that's arranged so erm i think i i it's,i i i it's the middle of september when we either go to los angeles, i think we go to los angeles, and fool around hollywood and san diego and places and down to to see a and then away off to erm las vegas and flagstaff you know about this meteor crater in flagstaff, that apparently is why you go to flagstaff tt a meteor came, the meteor crater is there tt and then the grand canyon and go through national park which san francisco and erm spend erm two or three days there and then come back again. -tt so erm we are thinking it will be, like everybody else, it's not a good idea to put too much off too far into the future +well er i think that getting away the oh you live in nottingham, oh fancy that you know, you, you know where you're starting, you know, everyone either works for boots or used to work for boots and, you know, you've got a rough idea, you, you, you don't need to go into the oh fancy that you know, all that's arranged so erm i think i i it's,i i i it's the middle of september when we either go to los angeles, i think we go to los angeles, and fool around hollywood and san diego and places and down to to see a and then away off to erm las vegas and flagstaff you know about this meteor crater in flagstaff, that apparently is why you go to flagstaff tt a meteor came, the meteor crater is there tt and then the grand canyon and go through national park which san francisco and erm spend erm two or three days there and then come back again. +tt so erm we are thinking it will be, like everybody else, it's not a good idea to put too much off too far into the future oh no no, you want to go. i, i think, well i think so. -and so er friends of ours, he's got muscular dystrophy and he's sort of in the same sort of and so we we'll have a decrepit contingent,he and i will sort of and the two girls who are relatively young and healthy will go charging around and taking photographs and doing the tourist thing. +and so er friends of ours, he's got muscular dystrophy and he's sort of in the same sort of and so we we'll have a decrepit contingent,he and i will sort of and the two girls who are relatively young and healthy will go charging around and taking photographs and doing the tourist thing. yeah. yes. -sort of on the, on the horizon for the end of the year and er i, i er don't know how we're going to do but erm i think the answer probably is to take a chunk at a time on the basis that erm one isn't going to be able to charge around as violently, actively as some people will. +sort of on the, on the horizon for the end of the year and er i, i er don't know how we're going to do but erm i think the answer probably is to take a chunk at a time on the basis that erm one isn't going to be able to charge around as violently, actively as some people will. yeah, yes er erm that's oh you must because then you have the memories. exactly. exactly. not only does no one want to take those away, no one can take them away that's right. -that's er that's right, you know, and erm what i'm saying to myself is okay, you know, er maybe it will be tiring, i'm sure it will maybe it will be erm expensive, like take a taxi because can't walk, you know, erm erm okay +that's er that's right, you know, and erm what i'm saying to myself is okay, you know, er maybe it will be tiring, i'm sure it will maybe it will be erm expensive, like take a taxi because can't walk, you know, erm erm okay that's, that's, that's the way it is and er yeah. -we'll i think, be okay and, provided we don't excessively energetic and too stupid, get too hot in the bath or that's not a very good thing to do, or crash out with er flu or something i dare say anyone can crash out, i mean you, you, you could be a president of the united states -exactly +we'll i think, be okay and, provided we don't excessively energetic and too stupid, get too hot in the bath or that's not a very good thing to do, or crash out with er flu or something i dare say anyone can crash out, i mean you, you, you could be a president of the united states +exactly and be in, in japan and you can crash out but er yeah. -we'll see how it er what are your,wh what are you pla er er your plans? +we'll see how it er what are your,wh what are you pla er er your plans? are you, are you going on a, a ship again or ? -no i, i haven't got any plans at the moment, you know i've been sort of er i usually go around this time you know, er -it it's certainly looking +no i, i haven't got any plans at the moment, you know i've been sort of er i usually go around this time you know, er +it it's certainly looking yeah i've still got swollen fingers which i am er er i've needed as much physio on these as on, on the finger that was done. why was that? they just swoll sw swelled up and erm i don't know why but i'm told it's not unusual. mm. because of the, the tinkering around it must do a bit of -and erm but as i say i, i, i have, i still haven't got full use of those. +and erm but as i say i, i, i have, i still haven't got full use of those. are they, are they coming? -yes i yes they are er but i seem to have reached a, a stage where they're not progressing as much as i would like you know? +yes i yes they are er but i seem to have reached a, a stage where they're not progressing as much as i would like you know? they're, they're, oh they're vastly improved -to, to, i mean when i first had the er plaster off, which was for ten days it was, i could not believe it that these fingers were not going but i'm told that that's quite usual. -well i it's a very complicated bit of gear and +to, to, i mean when i first had the er plaster off, which was for ten days it was, i could not believe it that these fingers were not going but i'm told that that's quite usual. +well i it's a very complicated bit of gear and yeah. it's been tinkered around with i mean i don't yes but er i think i it's a combination of things, it's the fact that you've got your erm hand in plaster so your fingers are not moving and you lose muscle tone so quickly. @@ -74318,10 +74251,10 @@ almost continuous use ah right. perhaps not to a very violent er extent but it's, it's, it's moving. yeah that's right, that's right. -so er to get to your question erm i've sort of not been doing anything erm i was hoping that i would be sort of fully fit round about now and then if i saw something on teletext er that was good i'd just buzz off for a week or so. -cos i i got one off teletext erm er it must have been nineteen ninety now for tenerife four star hotel, seven days, east midlands airport for one hundred and fifteen pounds half board er er the following day which was fantastic. +so er to get to your question erm i've sort of not been doing anything erm i was hoping that i would be sort of fully fit round about now and then if i saw something on teletext er that was good i'd just buzz off for a week or so. +cos i i got one off teletext erm er it must have been nineteen ninety now for tenerife four star hotel, seven days, east midlands airport for one hundred and fifteen pounds half board er er the following day which was fantastic. i mean everything was good, the flight, the hotel, the weather. -er and, and these are erm to fill up the, the exercise, the +er and, and these are erm to fill up the, the exercise, the yes they're er er short term they're a filling up, the plane, yeah. @@ -74330,39 +74263,39 @@ you don't see many like that, i'm not expecting that again. well. especially east midlands airport, it's very seldom you see an east midlands airport bargain. but erm no i shall er -is, is, is that national nationally advertised? +is, is, is that national nationally advertised? yes, yes -so -so most of them are london gatwick or manchester. +so +so most of them are london gatwick or manchester. most of them er er that are advertised are from london gatwick. -so as it were you, you, you turn up holidays and you, you, you, you, you scroll through until you +so as it were you, you, you turn up holidays and you, you, you, you, you scroll through until you yeah. -well they, they, they scroll through themselves, i mean you have no control er they are on three five two is one of the n the numbers and er there, there's probably be about four to six pages which, you know, go er er er you have to wait, i mean they just go through i don't know about twenty seconds perhaps each +well they, they, they scroll through themselves, i mean you have no control er they are on three five two is one of the n the numbers and er there, there's probably be about four to six pages which, you know, go er er er you have to wait, i mean they just go through i don't know about twenty seconds perhaps each oh so page there, there is time to erm -oh and you can hold i i if there's one comes up you can hold it. +oh and you can hold i i if there's one comes up you can hold it. oh i see yes, yes. mm. yeah. -a a and yes that is, that is quite erm that is quite erm +a a and yes that is, that is quite erm that is quite erm you'd be interested in teletext, you must have a teletext set next time you have a set. well yeah i suspect we will but erm i, i don't mean just for holidays, i, i -i i it seems that an enormous number of people who have got it erm do find it er useful. -whether it is er particularly important to an individual depends on the individual again +i i it seems that an enormous number of people who have got it erm do find it er useful. +whether it is er particularly important to an individual depends on the individual again mm mm -and er i suspect most people would be only keeping an eye on the foreign exchange page, you know, when they were thinking about buying -yeah, yeah, yeah but i mean there's the weather forecast including the local weather forecast erm that you can switch on any time and er news of course erm oh er er lots and lots. +and er i suspect most people would be only keeping an eye on the foreign exchange page, you know, when they were thinking about buying +yeah, yeah, yeah but i mean there's the weather forecast including the local weather forecast erm that you can switch on any time and er news of course erm oh er er lots and lots. it's, it's amazing how much there is do you get a teletext directory? you well you know it's gonna be page three five two but how do you know it's page three five two, do you just di did, yeah, did ori ah ah yes but er -do you go through, through three five one before you got there ? -yeah they, they erm when you switch the teletext on it comes on to a hundred, that's the thing, and, and, and on that a hundred they'll give you er news one o two or whatever it is, you know, and so on. +do you go through, through three five one before you got there ? +yeah they, they erm when you switch the teletext on it comes on to a hundred, that's the thing, and, and, and on that a hundred they'll give you er news one o two or whatever it is, you know, and so on. but also one nine nine is the index of the whole lot. -and, and you, you, you, do you select ceefax or, or oracle? +and, and you, you, you, do you select ceefax or, or oracle? or yeah, yeah you does it @@ -74376,7 +74309,7 @@ and then you text for your oracle. oh i see. cos it's,i i it's, it's, it's, it's, it's very very clever isn't it? it is very clever. -it's, it's is it two lines the picture that have got the teletext data on them? +it's, it's is it two lines the picture that have got the teletext data on them? how do you mean? where is it? where's the information? @@ -74388,13 +74321,13 @@ b b c one and i t v it's er on b b c one and b b c two er the same? i think they are the same but three and four are different. -er b b c two i think b er three and four are different. +er b b c two i think b er three and four are different. channels four three and four? is different to oracle oracle -er is well is different to er er channel three. +er is well is different to er er channel three. i think they're probably both oracle. oh so it's just yeah but in other words what i'm saying is that there are diff @@ -74404,15 +74337,15 @@ that you've got to look at. yes, yes, yes yes. erm so your -but but on, no, on your er, no, on your oracle er channel three, one nine nine what will be shown up on your index will be channel three and channel four +but but on, no, on your er, no, on your oracle er channel three, one nine nine what will be shown up on your index will be channel three and channel four aha -so, and, and you will see that's, that er i don't know whether some are all the same, but erm there are different, yeah, you know, erm in other words what i'm saying is they're not on both channels. -so they're, i don't know whether it's,i it's terribly reactionary to say that we really want one teletext cos your holidays, might they be coming up on ceefax +so, and, and you will see that's, that er i don't know whether some are all the same, but erm there are different, yeah, you know, erm in other words what i'm saying is they're not on both channels. +so they're, i don't know whether it's,i it's terribly reactionary to say that we really want one teletext cos your holidays, might they be coming up on ceefax no, no,i it's pur it's all oracle -oracle, yeah, cos it's an advertisement, i mean the people who are er er it is er being paid for by the people who advertise it. +oracle, yeah, cos it's an advertisement, i mean the people who are er er it is er being paid for by the people who advertise it. yeah. -yeah i, i think you'll find that erm when the colour er when b b c two came along and all the aerials went to u h f, we went from a four o five line +yeah i, i think you'll find that erm when the colour er when b b c two came along and all the aerials went to u h f, we went from a four o five line that's right to a six two five something. @@ -74427,34 +74360,34 @@ which will be confusing. well you can mute it if you want you see. yes of course, yes of course and you can mix it. -you, you can have your erm if you were watching a programme and er, i've done this, erm if you're watching a programme and you want to see what the weather forecast is er you can have that superimposed on your programme. +you, you can have your erm if you were watching a programme and er, i've done this, erm if you're watching a programme and you want to see what the weather forecast is er you can have that superimposed on your programme. and, and the other way -what in a, in a +what in a, in a no, no over the top. over the top? over the top. oh i see. -and the other thing erm which er er is good, supposing you're watching er a programme and there's a football match on and you're interested in the, the football er but you don't really want to keep, you know, switching to find out what the score is, er i'm talking about teletext as opposed to a programme, you press the update and it w er and if something's happened, you know, they've changed and there's been a score, it'll come up er er while you're watching the programme, er it'll let you know that erm there's been something happening. +and the other thing erm which er er is good, supposing you're watching er a programme and there's a football match on and you're interested in the, the football er but you don't really want to keep, you know, switching to find out what the score is, er i'm talking about teletext as opposed to a programme, you press the update and it w er and if something's happened, you know, they've changed and there's been a score, it'll come up er er while you're watching the programme, er it'll let you know that erm there's been something happening. er it's, it's amazing. i don't know what that is. it's not you is it? it isn't, no. is it, it's not your er central heating is it? -ah might be. +ah might be. it might be. yes that, that sounds like it. yeah, yeah. -yes the erm these things,an and can you er can you record teletext? +yes the erm these things,an and can you er can you record teletext? no, i tried that the other day. no. yo fr er you're talking about video? yeah. yeah. -and if you're playing a tape back which was recorded off air what happens if you push the text button? +and if you're playing a tape back which was recorded off air what happens if you push the text button? don't know. because the data, you see, the two lines, i would have thought would have been recorded without you meaning it to be recorded -ah well i can let me er say this, er you, you know how some programmes er you can have erm oh you may not know excuse me erm there are certain programmes which you can er put in eight eight eight and you get captions +ah well i can let me er say this, er you, you know how some programmes er you can have erm oh you may not know excuse me erm there are certain programmes which you can er put in eight eight eight and you get captions ah ye yes,i if that's available. if it's available. yes, yes. @@ -74464,17 +74397,17 @@ mm i it, i, i, i, i d i dunno as i say i i it, it, it seems to me to be an incre you would enjoy it. arrangement. yeah, yeah, yeah -but erm the television of course i is infernally clever, i mean th there's er no doubt that the microchips that erm takes away the erm the teletext information, stores it and then spits up whatever you ask for is er two or three p now i suppose and therefore the, the television manufacturer charges hundred pounds to put it in. +but erm the television of course i is infernally clever, i mean th there's er no doubt that the microchips that erm takes away the erm the teletext information, stores it and then spits up whatever you ask for is er two or three p now i suppose and therefore the, the television manufacturer charges hundred pounds to put it in. mm. -it's er it's you're, you're, you're, you're quite erm hooked on it? +it's er it's you're, you're, you're, you're quite erm hooked on it? ah well yes i wouldn't like to be without it now. definitely not. and is, is there much difference between er ceefax and oracle? well they look more or less the same do they? yeah i mean the news is very similar of course erm -presumably that's indicated or is it? -dunno because i think it isn't actually come to think of it b b c will do their own and i t v will do their own +presumably that's indicated or is it? +dunno because i think it isn't actually come to think of it b b c will do their own and i t v will do their own oh yeah oh it's definitely their own, yes. yeah. yeah. @@ -74482,19 +74415,19 @@ so i'm a bit of a newshound so i look at both of course, see what's what. i'm er i'm not saying i, the headlines you see, so i will select the headline i'm interested in. and would and then it'll come up, you know, i'll put in w er one o two is the headlines for ceefax for instance and then the stories will be from one o three to about one one five or something like that you see. -and er th so er if i'm interested in er george bush's illness, you know, and that's one o four i'll put in one o four and then that will come up on the screen. -so presumably wh wh what bank are you with? -what i'm with barclays. -oh i suspect they're you bank with totally ignorable. -if you're with er national westminster erm y y y y you, you, you know about these, these, these cash tills that you put a card in and +and er th so er if i'm interested in er george bush's illness, you know, and that's one o four i'll put in one o four and then that will come up on the screen. +so presumably wh wh what bank are you with? +what i'm with barclays. +oh i suspect they're you bank with totally ignorable. +if you're with er national westminster erm y y y y you, you, you know about these, these, these cash tills that you put a card in and yeah. -ask it questions, it's obviously on the telephone because you can ask what the balance is and it will tell you, and it can't possibly know that and cleethorpes, when you put the card in the cleethorpes thing, that, you know, your bank balance at nottingham is so it's obviously on the telephone erm and it's on the telephone to a central computer which holds quite a lot of information, it accesses +ask it questions, it's obviously on the telephone because you can ask what the balance is and it will tell you, and it can't possibly know that and cleethorpes, when you put the card in the cleethorpes thing, that, you know, your bank balance at nottingham is so it's obviously on the telephone erm and it's on the telephone to a central computer which holds quite a lot of information, it accesses quite. it very very quickly that's right, yeah. -so why shouldn't you telephone that computer? +so why shouldn't you telephone that computer? and the answer is, no reason at all. -and if you're with national westminster, you telephone a, a n a number in manchester or birmingham or two or three other places i guess but as far as we're concerned er the birmingham manchester one's the cheapest you, you ring them up and you give them a your identification number and it immediately tells you what your balance is. +and if you're with national westminster, you telephone a, a n a number in manchester or birmingham or two or three other places i guess but as far as we're concerned er the birmingham manchester one's the cheapest you, you ring them up and you give them a your identification number and it immediately tells you what your balance is. immediately. what do you want to do? well of course there's a whole range of things you can order, you know, chequebooks and bank statements, you can do all s all sorts of things @@ -74503,22 +74436,22 @@ you can do with the till in the wall yeah. but you can also say i want a transaction too and the machine then comes back to you with one of these sepulchral voices, you know, which is tone yes -generated or whatever, who do you wish to pay to, and we have four erm electricity board, the gas board, the er er er credit card and the, can't remember what the fourth one is, you simply say i wanna pay number four how much do you wish to pay to the royal bank of scotland and you say how much you wish to pay in, er in pence and it immediately says you wish to pay blah blah blah it will be done. -couple of days later a little note comes in the post saying that you've just paid the national west national bank bank of scotland twenty three pounds thirty and it's absolutely brilliant! +generated or whatever, who do you wish to pay to, and we have four erm electricity board, the gas board, the er er er credit card and the, can't remember what the fourth one is, you simply say i wanna pay number four how much do you wish to pay to the royal bank of scotland and you say how much you wish to pay in, er in pence and it immediately says you wish to pay blah blah blah it will be done. +couple of days later a little note comes in the post saying that you've just paid the national west national bank bank of scotland twenty three pounds thirty and it's absolutely brilliant! barclays haven't got one yet? well er er i think not because i would have heard, i mean obviously they would've er -well er nat west have been very quiet about action line erm because they haven't quite got the the, the, all the firmware sorted out yet but it's absolutely fantastic, you know +well er nat west have been very quiet about action line erm because they haven't quite got the the, the, all the firmware sorted out yet but it's absolutely fantastic, you know mm -it's just, just erm but i i i er er have you got a, a tone telephone or a pulse telephone? +it's just, just erm but i i i er er have you got a, a tone telephone or a pulse telephone? it's probably a switch i've got several -well erm probably on the back you can select whether it er sends a number by pulse, and you can tell actually cos it's very you d you'll dial -well the old dial was pulse was +well erm probably on the back you can select whether it er sends a number by pulse, and you can tell actually cos it's very you d you'll dial +well the old dial was pulse was the twiddle dial? yeah. oh yes yeah, yeah. -but some push button telephones send one as one pulse and two as two pulses +but some push button telephones send one as one pulse and two as two pulses yes. whereas others send wuls er one as a beep and two as a ooh ah @@ -74531,25 +74464,25 @@ i don't think mine have. one of those four switches across the top is the pulse tone. oh yeah i can see that. yeah. -but erm you bleep with one, one of ours is, is, is erm on tones now and you can tell the diff you, you, you can tell +but erm you bleep with one, one of ours is, is, is erm on tones now and you can tell the diff you, you, you can tell is that the big match then? sunday? mm. no we're doing erm little matches. ah. yes, yeah. -i just wondered because er trevor was there i just wondered if he was +i just wondered because er trevor was there i just wondered if he was i don't know. i don't know. yeah. he hasn't phoned yet has he? -no i was just, i was just thinking about the same. -oh my word, eddy right, off you go then. +no i was just, i was just thinking about the same. +oh my word, eddy right, off you go then. yeah where are the phones? you send him off now, come on he won't, won't shout, he won't shout. -come here +come here hello, hello, hello. shh! come here. @@ -74562,11 +74495,11 @@ mm. oh luce! you've missed your vocation luce, there! how are you anyway? -alright thank you how are you? +alright thank you how are you? oh alright, alright, alright! i'm alright, reasonably. oh you're alright in this part, it's this part is it, that part? -let's have a look ooh! +let's have a look ooh! i'm still not er my fingers are still not going yes! down, my good ones. @@ -74578,8 +74511,8 @@ can you do that with it then ? i you've still got your mike on. i know. -i'm, i'm now erm having you, having you told me this having you said that, you just look at that -erm have you been preaching? +i'm, i'm now erm having you, having you told me this having you said that, you just look at that +erm have you been preaching? well why do you have it on? no i have it on so that you, i can hear you talk. no. @@ -74593,11 +74526,11 @@ it's gonna be switched, it's gonna be switched on all the time i'm with you. oh no! it is, it is er read, read it. i'm not talking. -come and sit down come and sit down. -if you don't mind that is, i mean whoops! +come and sit down come and sit down. +if you don't mind that is, i mean whoops! luce! who's that? -that's a friend friend. +that's a friend friend. it's just a friend can i touch you? will you allow me to touch you? @@ -74605,57 +74538,57 @@ aye that's alright then isn't it eh? see, quite alright. well you were wagging your tail when you were barking weren't you? have you, have you er have you escaped the flu and all that? -well i've had the sniffles at the moment but we've had a lot of people at work with +well i've had the sniffles at the moment but we've had a lot of people at work with yeah i know there's so much about isn't there? -colds, flu, throat infections -having read that, can you play it back? +colds, flu, throat infections +having read that, can you play it back? yes. -we well ye yes i can but er obviously er i, i, i shan't be doing because erm i've got too many er hopefully too ma d it's much better, it would have been much better if i was living in a home, you see where, where we can +we well ye yes i can but er obviously er i, i, i shan't be doing because erm i've got too many er hopefully too ma d it's much better, it would have been much better if i was living in a home, you see where, where we can holiday somewhere where we can just have it on all the time. but erm so no, no. -a actually i visited somebody the other day and you just forget you just forget. +a actually i visited somebody the other day and you just forget you just forget. no no no i mean i i it is completely anonymous anyway, yes. i mean no er no one will know. -i just wondered if you could erm play it back and +i just wondered if you could erm play it back and well i w w yes i mean obviously i need to so erm just to get it right. right. -o or to cut out, i mean if, if you said to me something that was de de +o or to cut out, i mean if, if you said to me something that was de de confidential or, or anything like that, then, yes, er i mean that's it. -you, you just +you, you just like if i started to swear at you. well i'd leave that in of course -have a seat then somewhere or other. +have a seat then somewhere or other. thank you. we, we actually thought heidi would be back by now, she went to a, a slumber party. -oh and they're slumbering rather a lot are they? +oh and they're slumbering rather a lot are they? well it started at half past six last night . oh. mm. -and she did have instructions for home by half past twelve but er mm she -the erm er on the television last night there was a programme about the fifties that actually i didn't see it but i taped it and i have seen it this morning er +and she did have instructions for home by half past twelve but er mm she +the erm er on the television last night there was a programme about the fifties that actually i didn't see it but i taped it and i have seen it this morning er on television? mm. -it was called erm tt it was about half past ten i think last night, somewhere +it was called erm tt it was about half past ten i think last night, somewhere oh i was reading then. -er the trouble about the trouble with the fifties and er actually it was a very good programme er for reminiscing about the fifties. +er the trouble about the trouble with the fifties and er actually it was a very good programme er for reminiscing about the fifties. michael aspel was the one in er charge of it but you know a lot of the old people er and the old erm tt muffin the mule and the fl -oh +oh flowerpot enjoyed watching, yeah the flowerpot men and er the skiffle groups and everything, it's quite good, you know, really nice -unless there's anything really special i don't tend to watch it late, i, i prefer to read. +unless there's anything really special i don't tend to watch it late, i, i prefer to read. well i er well i don't, i, but i put it on video er so i er had a look at it this morning. it's a nasty dreary morning isn't it? it is it is. -erm it was a nice okay, you can come then? +erm it was a nice okay, you can come then? right, come on then. let them know that you're my friend. there you are you see. -i won't undermine your ego but it's perhaps the chair that she wants rather than you +i won't undermine your ego but it's perhaps the chair that she wants rather than you ah ha don't do that . is this your chair? yeah. @@ -74666,25 +74599,25 @@ like it do you? if vicki's out at all she likes to erm sit in that chair. have you been since we've had these new ones? we, we were trying to think when it was w that you came. -but it took her such a long while before she would sit in one of these. +but it took her such a long while before she would sit in one of these. no i don't know. er i, i you know we had velvet something so yeah something erm very, a very long settee. yeah. -i, i don't remember really to be honest but i, i erm erm malcolm said something once which so i wasn't surprised, you know, can't remember exactly what. +i, i don't remember really to be honest but i, i erm erm malcolm said something once which so i wasn't surprised, you know, can't remember exactly what. but we had two, two chairs, one there and one there and that one was the one she always used to sit in yeah. -if vicki was out or er at the side of vicki when vick when we had these she was ages before she'd go and sit in a chair on her own +if vicki was out or er at the side of vicki when vick when we had these she was ages before she'd go and sit in a chair on her own really? she'd sit on vicki's knee but she wouldn't sit yeah. -in the on the chair. -looks like slumber come back. -hello +in the on the chair. +looks like slumber come back. +hello hello my love. -in time for dinner +in time for dinner who's brought you home then? charlotte's mummy, she's brought us all home. oh that was very nice of her @@ -74693,19 +74626,19 @@ well i've brought, brought my slippers and er with all hello hello, with all the erm hilarity oh that's alright, your shoes are clean, you don't have to -mine are +mine are no, no, no but er -we went to the park +we went to the park oh right, have you heard this? got, got to bed at three did you say? -no we were in bed but we, we, we go into a right about eight o'clock and we watched a video +no we were in bed but we, we, we go into a right about eight o'clock and we watched a video yes, and what was the video? -erm i won't tell you . +erm i won't tell you . yes, come along! i'm coming back to that, and then we watched, no then the pizza man came and we had all our pizzas and cake, then we were just talking till three a m. -then we decided to go to sleep then watched +then we decided to go to sleep then watched so you were all in one room? -we watched a video and then +we watched a video and then ? the see-saw, what were the boys like? @@ -74713,7 +74646,7 @@ there weren't any, they didn't come. they weren't coming in the end. mummy yeah? -no drugs, no three lettered words and no oh yeah there was alcohol . +no drugs, no three lettered words and no oh yeah there was alcohol . no there was some non-alcoholic wine. erm non-alcoholic wine? @@ -74721,29 +74654,29 @@ was it was it worth going then with the boys not being there? yeah, you don't need boys to have a good time. where's the nail file in here? at the moment. -yeah well see three three out of the six all fancied the same person +yeah well see three three out of the six all fancied the same person not your andrew? no stuart. what was the video? -we watched arachnophobia this morning, the spiders,oh it was i didn't think, it wasn't that scary apart from two places +we watched arachnophobia this morning, the spiders,oh it was i didn't think, it wasn't that scary apart from two places well what age limit? that's a p g. oh and what was the other one that you watched? ah! well she won't tell me about the other one. -it was an english chippendales and gorgeous ! +it was an english chippendales and gorgeous ! they were british. -don't worry they, they didn't get anything we were a bit disappointed +don't worry they, they didn't get anything we were a bit disappointed what were they called? oh i've i've hea yeah i've heard of those they're supposed to be very very good. they're brilliant they're really dancers yes now where have i heard about those? -and their dance routine +and their dance routine that's it they're a da and they smile. gorgeous. -yeah +yeah oh is it? the chippendales don't smile. the chippendales don't smile. @@ -74756,9 +74689,9 @@ there's a there's one from, from nottingham there's a group from nottingham. and er it said that so many of them didn't smile but this this, and they had dance routines and it's really good. whatever well the dance routine and they smiled and looked as though they were enjoying it. -you know how they strip, they have they undo the top half but then they s they erm have velcro down the seams so they pull the rest off, and then they slip the t-shirt sort of +you know how they strip, they have they undo the top half but then they s they erm have velcro down the seams so they pull the rest off, and then they slip the t-shirt sort of well what have they got underneath? -then they go down to boxer shorts and then they come off and +then they go down to boxer shorts and then they come off and what's under the boxer shorts? not a lot . well you should've been w yo yo you m you missed a lot last night, you should have been watching erm tt that's life, think it was that's life, where they had they had them on @@ -74771,7 +74704,7 @@ er you're a morse fan are you? yeah. well i like these. ooh, oh the black magic! -oh they've it off the sunday because it was competing with something on the sunday, what's the other side sunday? +oh they've it off the sunday because it was competing with something on the sunday, what's the other side sunday? oh buds poirot no buds of may, the darling buds of may. @@ -74789,31 +74722,31 @@ eighteen. eighteen videos she'd be grounded. don't tell him about it, i'll get killed. well was that an eighteen? -well it's not exactly gonna be a u is it ? +well it's not exactly gonna be a u is it ? with them all stripping. no i wouldn't have thought it i wouldn't have thought it would have been i know -but i wouldn't have thought, i mean it +but i wouldn't have thought, i mean it i don't know if it was no, no chippendales is an eighteen. -chippendales -no a lot of, yeah mm. +chippendales +no a lot of, yeah mm. s e x and -so you're alright and v i o and +so you're alright and v i o and and v i a? violence. you should see tango and cash, that's not violent no. -it is cute kurt kurt russell is gorgeous . -i've gotta get next of kin out, i've gotta get out for you to see kurt russell. +it is cute kurt kurt russell is gorgeous . +i've gotta get next of kin out, i've gotta get out for you to see kurt russell. i don't wanna see kurt russell. i broke my nail i was biting it last night. why, did you forget your ribbon? no i was biting this one. so it's that one that needs filing? they both need filing. -and erm these, they had these different routines, they had one when they were swimming and this one was in the shower, couldn't actually see what he was doing, and they had +and erm these, they had these different routines, they had one when they were swimming and this one was in the shower, couldn't actually see what he was doing, and they had well suppose he was having a shower was he? then there's one jenny came for you @@ -74821,25 +74754,25 @@ i know. and i said oh she, she said that you'd phoned and you wouldn't be able to come and collect her. no sam phoned oh. -to say that we couldn't go all er go er tt all go to her house and i was just about to ask sam if jenny knew and she put the phone down and she hadn't told jenny. +to say that we couldn't go all er go er tt all go to her house and i was just about to ask sam if jenny knew and she put the phone down and she hadn't told jenny. hmm. -right, everybody in the erm dining room then. +right, everybody in the erm dining room then. right and they had this bit they're in these white sailor's uniform and they're stripping the gloves off which was really uninteresting but they all looked really, you know, smart and they were saluting. gorgeous. -one was called he's like erm he's coloured -well think, if you concentrated on that a bit more instead of just doing it any where in the air you might get on a bit quicker. +one was called he's like erm he's coloured +well think, if you concentrated on that a bit more instead of just doing it any where in the air you might get on a bit quicker. might. on the other hand and then what other one, there's that bad boys, they're in jail and the erm jail attendant -man was like stripping, they had what have you done? -well i'm just putting them on clean dishes because i think these dishes +man was like stripping, they had what have you done? +well i'm just putting them on clean dishes because i think these dishes what? so you've got your hot doodah all over the top. can't have them in mucky dishes. lucy darling you missed me . no she hasn't missed you. like a dose of salts. -oh it was a right laugh we we were all in a sleeping bag and there's three of us lying that way then one lying here one on the sofa and one lying there it was a bit mad! +oh it was a right laugh we we were all in a sleeping bag and there's three of us lying that way then one lying here one on the sofa and one lying there it was a bit mad! er just a bit. there? @@ -74848,19 +74781,19 @@ yep. what are you having heidi? er pass. i'll file my nails. -i'll have a drink though sherry mum can i have a sherry please ? +i'll have a drink though sherry mum can i have a sherry please ? i've been completely teetotal this weekend, thank you. -charlotte was drinking sherry, don't suppose, shouldn't tell you that but she only had one little drop and i was +charlotte was drinking sherry, don't suppose, shouldn't tell you that but she only had one little drop and i was you were driving were you? yeah. which is the sweet, pale cream? her father's daughter. not medium dry. -medium dry, pale pale . +medium dry, pale pale . any baileys in there you're, you're not having baileys i've had a christmas without baileys. -that's because i didn't buy any . +that's because i didn't buy any . exactly! i'll get you for that. we had piz we had, me and sarah shared a mexican one and it was hot. @@ -74868,7 +74801,7 @@ well i wasn't around at christmas was i? and they put these chilies in my garlic bread, the peppers rather, but i ate all my peppers,and charlotte couldn't eat theirs. are you coming vicki? yes yes yes. -rocking rolling i'm a bit hyper at the moment. +rocking rolling i'm a bit hyper at the moment. need to listen to the charts. you're a bit what? hyperactive. @@ -74877,13 +74810,13 @@ at the moment? i was the odd one out you see because everybody else had curly hair. i thought wait till tuesday. wait till tuesday! -am i, am i definitely doing it? +am i, am i definitely doing it? well the appointment's made. okay. would you like to say grace fred for us please? mm. what? -for friend food and fellowship we give you thanks oh lord amen . +for friend food and fellowship we give you thanks oh lord amen . amen . how comes heidi's having a sherry and nobody else is? oh i think she asked you vicki. @@ -74895,12 +74828,12 @@ no no no no no. so what is this grapefruit? it's it's booked for monday at four o'clock if you want it. i want it. -what time are you -if you don't want it i will have to cancel it tomorrow. +what time are you +if you don't want it i will have to cancel it tomorrow. yes i do want it. after school. -joan while i remember in my car i've got some things that i want your professional advice about. -sorry +joan while i remember in my car i've got some things that i want your professional advice about. +sorry it's a cushion actually which is coming adrift and i d i don't know whether it's excuse me as long as it's not to make a rabbit's costume. @@ -74909,7 +74842,7 @@ are you gonna make that for chris? no i'm not . aren't you gonna make it? no. -have i dreamt this or has natasha moved from where she was originally? +have i dreamt this or has natasha moved from where she was originally? she's moved. oh. i couldn't, i couldn't erm @@ -74933,18 +74866,18 @@ my birthday in three days' time. gonna be dead boring. is that fifteen? dead boring. -er i think i'll open my presents when for the chinese. +er i think i'll open my presents when for the chinese. what presents? -you have yours all the year round so +you have yours all the year round so is dave coming now? -i've been really good this year, i haven't had any anything really except my christmas present i had early from mummy and daddy and from nana. +i've been really good this year, i haven't had any anything really except my christmas present i had early from mummy and daddy and from nana. had a jumper. i know charlotte likes this. -mm likes it as well. +mm likes it as well. i like it. mm. just had a bath. -you always have a bath when you +you always have a bath when you so did you tell charlotte where she could er purchase one? yeah she said that she liked , she liked those big polo necked ones. you know? @@ -74953,7 +74886,7 @@ yeah mm. and she, she got a black and white one. from there? -i don't know, i don't think it's from there but it was similar to, similar jenny, and sam had a like ribbed one with a big neck which was fawn coloured and jenny had like an arran. +i don't know, i don't think it's from there but it was similar to, similar jenny, and sam had a like ribbed one with a big neck which was fawn coloured and jenny had like an arran. oh so it's a good job you got that one. is that the one from spain? mm. @@ -74971,13 +74904,13 @@ we had a good chat last night. you've got to have the right it's like these trainers isn't it? mm yeah. -inside inside well back to front? +inside inside well back to front? paying for the name. does it look like it? well yes it does now -otherwise i wouldn't have -how long have you been on the name game, a year? +otherwise i wouldn't have +how long have you been on the name game, a year? the name game? where it had to be the right name. oh at least a year. @@ -74992,9 +74925,9 @@ it's ridiculous. mm. they'll only have trainers if they're this make and i mean, alright i can appreciate when you get into your teens and whatever, but at that age -natasha goes round the er charity +natasha goes round the er charity well tasha's married. -before she was married and when she was at school she was quite happy to go and find something +before she was married and when she was at school she was quite happy to go and find something well let her be if she's happy. i'm happy that's a minor detail isn't it? @@ -75008,29 +74941,29 @@ you said finish doing your nails at the table. finish at the table doing your nails. oh right. i will rephrase that,you knew jolly well what i meant . -oh we watched in bed with madonna as well mum +oh we watched in bed with madonna as well mum how many were there? five and then charlotte whose house it was we were invading. but well it was cosy. -just move this to here if i put that on a mat because it's cold +just move this to here if i put that on a mat because it's cold well how many,we've got? beg pardon? -have we just got that and the that? +have we just got that and the that? have we just got? that and the so it's the fourth year now is it? mm. -hard work don't do anything. +hard work don't do anything. no you do actually. -still got all the homework to do, well my german, my cooking nothing else. -the only good thing i like about the fourth year, you're doing the subjects you want to do but apart from that +still got all the homework to do, well my german, my cooking nothing else. +the only good thing i like about the fourth year, you're doing the subjects you want to do but apart from that so what have you dropped? -french erm french, history, r e -those have you th those are what you've dropped you say? +french erm french, history, r e +those have you th those are what you've dropped you say? yeah. yeah. -physics and then all the creative art except cooking. -so but i like what i'm taking i think it's quite a good choice. +physics and then all the creative art except cooking. +so but i like what i'm taking i think it's quite a good choice. what, what was that that you said you liked? my favourite thing i like, my favourite subject's chemistry. think that is brilliant. @@ -75049,11 +74982,11 @@ i should do fred first. right. well because i bought that one. thank you. -this the same as the other one we had? -similar, it's got, it has got in it and and it's all gonna fall to pieces. +this the same as the other one we had? +similar, it's got, it has got in it and and it's all gonna fall to pieces. well once you've got the first, give me the first one which didn't come out and then it's easy. i'm quite right there thank you very much. -it's also got some vegetables in it. +it's also got some vegetables in it. i'll leave yours cos so you don't knock it over. where's the ? bread is just a coming. @@ -75064,25 +74997,25 @@ what did you eat last night, pizza? we had i had half a big are you hungry? pizza. -but then we'd just eaten mars bars with everything else. +but then we'd just eaten mars bars with everything else. you'd just eaten we had pizza and garlic bread good old junk food. -then we had, we had some crisps and some mars bars +then we had, we had some crisps and some mars bars and that sort of thing. so how many of the -lucy do you mind, you can get down +lucy do you mind, you can get down and er did the parents go out? -yeah they came back in about ten cos the pizza, we was eating our pizza +yeah they came back in about ten cos the pizza, we was eating our pizza you'd eaten your pizza by then? yeah the pizza came at nine. you didn't have the pizza hut from gordon road? no pizzarama, -oh didn't know there was one there -we were gonna get some other videos out but there weren't -is there a pizza hut in then? +oh didn't know there was one there +we were gonna get some other videos out but there weren't +is there a pizza hut in then? yeah. -yeah on the avenue, erm well down the +yeah on the avenue, erm well down the what, one where you can go in or just for take away? both. oh. @@ -75091,22 +75024,22 @@ pizza pantry we pizza pantry but that isn't a home delivery. we prefer pizza pantry. thank you. -pizza pantry it's take away, you go in and order it and take away, help yourself to salad and +pizza pantry it's take away, you go in and order it and take away, help yourself to salad and thank you. bread. no luce, down. -and then pizza hut they deliver don't they? +and then pizza hut they deliver don't they? yeah. they come round on the little pizzarama, they've got cars. -it was quite nice -there's a pizza place on er housing estate. +it was quite nice +there's a pizza place on er housing estate. pizzarama. p it's called pizzarama. pizzarama. we had mexican what is it that comes round on -pizza hut +pizza hut motor, mm thank you. is that enough for you ? @@ -75115,24 +75048,24 @@ i was er sitting watching you doling it out and suddenly realized it was mine. mhm. mhm what's the matter? -oh that arachnophobia ah +oh that arachnophobia ah what did you say that was, spiders? and it's been drained of blood, it's all wrinkly and they're killers, urgh. good job you saw it this morning and not last night then is it? mm. -and er we got everybody got really scared at one point +and er we got everybody got really scared at one point do you want some tomato dear? -no thanks, cos we were talking about a certain subject and erm we go right +no thanks, cos we were talking about a certain subject and erm we go right now i've made a mess on your the these need wiping because i've got butter on my fingers. oh not to worry. -i'll +i'll yes cos some of the butter is soft and some is hard. some hard. this is nice. did you have breakfast this morning? -they just had mars bars and biscuits and bits and pieces and haven't you? +they just had mars bars and biscuits and bits and pieces and haven't you? good old cheers fred. good old teenage er @@ -75161,7 +75094,7 @@ oh that's why i thought yo yo malton erm mm small village, it was a small village when we went. -you could quite easily walk in the middle of the road with prams and then erm you were safe. +you could quite easily walk in the middle of the road with prams and then erm you were safe. yeah. there were a lot of places like that. so you were brought up in nottingham were you? @@ -75170,23 +75103,23 @@ born in nottingham oh, born in nottingham. but not really brought up. brought up no. -we moved to erm malton when vicki was six months old. +we moved to erm malton when vicki was six months old. so it's ironic that we've come backwards. -so were you born here moved to malton, moved back here and then moved to malton or you were here and they you moved to malton when she lived there? +so were you born here moved to malton, moved back here and then moved to malton or you were here and they you moved to malton when she lived there? no i was in nottingham and moved to cambridge i know you lived cambridge but i mean did you, was m was malton that's where terence was born was the first time you went to malton when she was born? yes. and stayed there. -and then you got hip and toddled off up there. +and then you got hip and toddled off up there. i went to wellingborough that's it. went to yorkshire that's right, then went back to malton then came here. and then came here. -and where did erm malcolm originate? +and where did erm malcolm originate? born in bristol bred in birmingham. but spent a lot of time in birmingham. @@ -75202,22 +75135,22 @@ ha! well you moved here. and tasha would like to move back to yorkshire. get your feet off me ! -reason really because +reason really because well she says she likes it up there. -she hasn't spent so much time up there since she's been three. +she hasn't spent so much time up there since she's been three. mm because. i like geordie accents. -mm i hear kate 's engaged to a welshman. +mm i hear kate 's engaged to a welshman. kate? do i know kate ? -erm yes you probably do. +erm yes you probably do. is this somebody from church? yeah. you know elizabeth and graham ? i think her mum's elizabeth isn't it? had that erm trouble with her knee. -all that trouble with her knee and now walks with a mind you she goes to ten thirty more than +all that trouble with her knee and now walks with a mind you she goes to ten thirty more than mm. i do erm she probably i'm sure i'll @@ -75227,27 +75160,27 @@ yes you would. and she's, what, the same age as lyndsey? would she probably be the same age as lyndsey? yeah. -doing erm training for a physiotherapist isn't she? +doing erm training for a physiotherapist isn't she? that's right. you do a good meal mum. mm? where do they live? -well they used to live erm +well they used to live erm i haven't got anything for you mm st austells or in that area mm. -then they moved down to the house opposite the green in front of the church which i think the now live in next to the , janet and peter , that house and then they moved up to a bungalow. +then they moved down to the house opposite the green in front of the church which i think the now live in next to the , janet and peter , that house and then they moved up to a bungalow. oh i know them, yeah. -she and she's yes she, she's hurt her her knee hasn't she? +she and she's yes she, she's hurt her her knee hasn't she? mm. mm. playing badminton. ah. now that's right. -now start again and tell me kate -their daughter got engaged i think christmas time +now start again and tell me kate +their daughter got engaged i think christmas time oh. to some, a welshman yes i'm now completely with you. @@ -75255,7 +75188,7 @@ good. excuse me mum, please may i have some more? mhm. would you like to help yourself love? -ooh thought you were talking to me she's talking to you. +ooh thought you were talking to me she's talking to you. she's talking to you luce. how's the box going? which box? @@ -75274,11 +75207,11 @@ mm. well they don't know whether it will be any good to them. they've got two. got a better telly than we have. -i think john wanted it to sort of have a fiddle -it was gonna cost me a hundred and eighty pounds to have it repaired so i thought i might as well +i think john wanted it to sort of have a fiddle +it was gonna cost me a hundred and eighty pounds to have it repaired so i thought i might as well suit yourself. pay the extra and have a new television set. -yeah well i think er if er if you had, how long have you had it? +yeah well i think er if er if you had, how long have you had it? eight? ten years? eight years at least. @@ -75312,8 +75245,8 @@ viewing. fastext? yeah that's even better isn't it? it might be when i get used to it . -just press text and the number -just press the yes just press the colour and hey presto! +just press text and the number +just press the yes just press the colour and hey presto! yep. so she'll be looking at three so @@ -75321,7 +75254,7 @@ so she'll be looking at three five two and then contacting you and saying look i is that the holiday? i'm, i'm going off tomorrow to madeira. three five two. -do you want some more bread heidi cos there's some more in the some more bread for you fred? +do you want some more bread heidi cos there's some more in the some more bread for you fred? cos there is some more. just that bit'll do me. i was gonna say there's some more @@ -75329,9 +75262,9 @@ you get erm do you want some more heidi? no thanks. did muriel persuade you? -well she didn't persuade me but she said she thought it was a very good idea because it was on all the new sets and while i was buying a new set i might as well +well she didn't persuade me but she said she thought it was a very good idea because it was on all the new sets and while i was buying a new set i might as well buy the latest new set. -i er i think erm it's silly not to have it er when you're going in for a new set. +i er i think erm it's silly not to have it er when you're going in for a new set. mm. yeah. i really didn't erm @@ -75339,9 +75272,9 @@ you really didn't want it did you? no i, i just wondered what use it would be to me. it's as good as watching a video watching your holiday programmes and everything else. there's all sorts, weather forecast er news items -ooh hmm i i didn't get it quite right last night cos i thought i'd hear the news and i i could, i got the news on +ooh hmm i i didn't get it quite right last night cos i thought i'd hear the news and i i could, i got the news on what on teletext? -yes, but there's somebody talking out of the film +yes, but there's somebody talking out of the film well you had your telly on didn't you? yes, yes well you've got to pu you've got your superimpose on. @@ -75363,8 +75296,8 @@ i know you do. well you'd left something on hadn't you? i went in and there's heidi oh well i've just got all the script coming up on the screen and i've just got so and so for you and i hadn't even read the book either but i've fiddled with natasha's. -i just fiddled with the controls till -the thing that you you have to remember, which you tend not to at the beginning is that ceefax is b b c for instance, so on one and two now if you change channel if you're on teletext and you want to go onto oracle which is on three +i just fiddled with the controls till +the thing that you you have to remember, which you tend not to at the beginning is that ceefax is b b c for instance, so on one and two now if you change channel if you're on teletext and you want to go onto oracle which is on three three. you've got to go back to t v to change. @@ -75382,28 +75315,28 @@ mm. and did it also say in big capital letters please do not y let your granddaughter fiddle around with it? no. oh. -but on, on my other remote control if i wanted to alter the sound or the colour, that was on the erm remote control and it's just a little +but on, on my other remote control if i wanted to alter the sound or the colour, that was on the erm remote control and it's just a little it's a good little picture. it's a good picture. very clear. -but sometimes like in the proms, i had to keep lowering the sound +but sometimes like in the proms, i had to keep lowering the sound mm. too loud. mm. well i want to be able to do that easily. -you can +you can you can you just press well you will be able to, there's no doubt about it. yes i'll have to erm you've got it on volume. sort it out. -you don't nee you just keep it on volume +you don't nee you just keep it on volume did erm go boom and you've got little arrows to show you how did somebody come and set it up or did well john set it up for me. mm. -well we'd just unpacked it and we're just looking at it and mummy said oh where's john? +well we'd just unpacked it and we're just looking at it and mummy said oh where's john? could do with him. he walked in. and about two minutes later he knocked on the door didn't he? @@ -75411,28 +75344,28 @@ mm. oh come on i'll do it for you, well you've gotta press so and so, here you are i'll do it. so know it all. -tuned it in to the four channels and i said what about video +tuned it in to the four channels and i said what about video how many channels you got? -tt i said well you might as well tune in to that as well hmm +tt i said well you might as well tune in to that as well hmm how many cha cha channels have you got? i can have thirty thirty. -two is it thirty or thirty two channels on it? -thirty i think because it started at thirty when we pressed and went down +two is it thirty or thirty two channels on it? +thirty i think because it started at thirty when we pressed and went down mm looking at the channels, i think that was only thirty channels. what make have you got? mits mitsibushi? yeah. -that's mine, i've got a video my mitsibushi is. +that's mine, i've got a video my mitsibushi is. what, video? mm. -ah now you could do with fred's mitsibushi video couldn't you? +ah now you could do with fred's mitsibushi video couldn't you? yes because on the remote control it's for a video as well you see mm. but it doesn't work my video. -you know if you have the telly on number eight so you were on the video channel? +you know if you have the telly on number eight so you were on the video channel? mm? do you use your video remote control? mm. @@ -75456,13 +75389,13 @@ i don't want you messing it up. yes, yes yes, yes! i know, i know, i know. can't afford another one. -no then i'll have that one. +no then i'll have that one. do you know what she said fred what? what did i say? -when i was wondering about having teletext or not? +when i was wondering about having teletext or not? mm. -have a teletext then when you die you can leave it to me and i +have a teletext then when you die you can leave it to me and i then i'll get one with nicam. that's lovely. i didn't say when. @@ -75470,32 +75403,32 @@ you mean i'll have to wait a very long time. and i'd like a nicam digital stereo. that's what we're gonna have on our new telly. yeah but but er we can't receive stereo here yet can we? -if the programme's stereo i think and you've got a stereo telly. +if the programme's stereo i think and you've got a stereo telly. oh i, i thought we weren't on it yet. -well by the time we get round to getting a new telly . +well by the time we get round to getting a new telly . we're not g gonna get one within the next few years. -or -oh i'll take that and that +or +oh i'll take that and that now i've noticed -er y y what time did you get to bed last night? +er y y what time did you get to bed last night? three o'clock did you say? well -oh no you were u er you went earlier but got to sleep about then. -we were talking till about three and then there was three of us who stayed awake longer,then som the alarm went off at six thirty cos someone had a newspaper round. +oh no you were u er you went earlier but got to sleep about then. +we were talking till about three and then there was three of us who stayed awake longer,then som the alarm went off at six thirty cos someone had a newspaper round. oh dear . -and then i was dozing a bit and while we were watching like arachnophobia we were we were still in bed but about four hours sleep just about. +and then i was dozing a bit and while we were watching like arachnophobia we were we were still in bed but about four hours sleep just about. it was worth it, good fun. taking it or not? go on then. -tt oranges, kiwi, pineapple, apple, apple and pears and they've got +tt oranges, kiwi, pineapple, apple, apple and pears and they've got and what's this then? -the toffee -it's toffees in a melted toffee. +the toffee +it's toffees in a melted toffee. i want a spear. -in a crunchy new -yes we're getting +in a crunchy new +yes we're getting that's alright then. -erm it's gone this time. +erm it's gone this time. which drawer are they in vicki? bottom. right hand side. @@ -75520,7 +75453,7 @@ oh de oh i need a tissue. the oranges don't fall off. here you are then, have a teaspoon with this. i want the teaspoon so i can eat it when i've finished my fruit. -i said we're having a a health giving lunch today . +i said we're having a a health giving lunch today . healthy? toffee? i don't think so. @@ -75535,7 +75468,7 @@ i've got a lump of toffee, yes! gorgeous. and i didn't put it in the fridge so it wouldn't erm i've got, look at that it's bubbling. -hubble bubble well you can't erm swish your fruit round in it. +hubble bubble well you can't erm swish your fruit round in it. it doesn't s mm you can. i had to give fay a piggyback up to the park. @@ -75555,17 +75488,17 @@ are they seedless type? no. well say we like to have fun at our meal times. oh i recorded those films didn't i? -have, want some erm to help you on your way. +have, want some erm to help you on your way. mm i'll have to watch those. what will you have to watch? -i recorded one, the one which was on two which was about a lawyer falling in love with the accused. -erm or was that the one on number two. +i recorded one, the one which was on two which was about a lawyer falling in love with the accused. +erm or was that the one on number two. was that the one after morse? no, that was on b b c two but i ha only saw the beginning of that and then i turned over to watch the one mm luce what do you want? it sounded quite good. oh! -we went to erm tt +we went to erm tt who did? we did. i was gonna say @@ -75573,8 +75506,8 @@ did we? where we went. i was going to say did nana go? -theatre royal and it wasn't the theatre royal haymarket the other saturday didn't we? -easier with a spoon. +theatre royal and it wasn't the theatre royal haymarket the other saturday didn't we? +easier with a spoon. mhm. we saw the little prince. leicester haymarket? @@ -75593,7 +75526,7 @@ mm. but it was quite good wasn't it? malcolm and heidi went to london bef the monday before christmas yeah! -no blinking sam goes to me, cos we were, we were, we turned arachnophobia off because people needed the toilet and erm there was songs of praise or, you know, something like that and they were talking about all this terrorism, somebody said oh i'm glad you didn't go to london said but i did and she goes oh no you didn't did you?worried about me going to london +no blinking sam goes to me, cos we were, we were, we turned arachnophobia off because people needed the toilet and erm there was songs of praise or, you know, something like that and they were talking about all this terrorism, somebody said oh i'm glad you didn't go to london said but i did and she goes oh no you didn't did you?worried about me going to london that was nice. i know. because there weren't any tubes they had to walk along @@ -75608,17 +75541,17 @@ mm. it was brilliant, so good. and then on the saturday tasha and john went to see it. mm. -and it was and i who wanted to see it in the first place . +and it was and i who wanted to see it in the first place . excuse me! -i didn't ever want to see phantom of the opera, no of course i haven't haven't +i didn't ever want to see phantom of the opera, no of course i haven't haven't yes you have. really been interested in it, no. who's starring in it now? -he's good erm +he's good erm peter somebody. yeah. nobody i know. -well i don't know but i mean not someone +well i don't know but i mean not someone not a well known famous famous. but he, he is really good. @@ -75627,13 +75560,13 @@ mm! there's a good erm oh you've got rehearsal this afternoon. i know. -we saw a trailer for a film, it's mr was it? -and anyway it's this bas er ba baseball player and he doesn't hit the ball you see, which ma doesn't make him famous so he finds this person and he makes him go back and he does hit the ball and becomes really famous and that special person's michael caine, it looked quite good. +we saw a trailer for a film, it's mr was it? +and anyway it's this bas er ba baseball player and he doesn't hit the ball you see, which ma doesn't make him famous so he finds this person and he makes him go back and he does hit the ball and becomes really famous and that special person's michael caine, it looked quite good. michael caine? you know michael caine? the mm -one who did jekyll and all the jekyll and hyde and what else he did +one who did jekyll and all the jekyll and hyde and what else he did did you watch it? yeah. i didn't re i thought he actually made a person, i didn't realize he made himself into a person. @@ -75641,12 +75574,12 @@ it was himself that changed. i thought it was a bit stupid cos he was such a nice doctor and that. mm. who wrote that? -er heidi's going to be aladdin in er wendy 's production. +er heidi's going to be aladdin in er wendy 's production. i've learnt my lines but i haven't really. that looks a bit long. -you twiddle it like you do spaghetti . +you twiddle it like you do spaghetti . she's hoping to sing her song from aspects of love aren't you? -well i don't know about that. +well i don't know about that. well i can't really sing it. well you sing it well. that's a load of cock and bull. @@ -75656,9 +75589,9 @@ and wh and where's this, school or church or? st pauls. st pauls' drama group. mhm. -i want to go through to +i want to go through to she doesn't really belong to the drama group now, she came out in september. -don't i get something cos no one 's got anything nineteen eighty four i started. +don't i get something cos no one 's got anything nineteen eighty four i started. you've been there nine years then. you will be the guest star so you should get eight. @@ -75666,17 +75599,17 @@ is that right? you've been there quite a whi well yes you'd been there seven years when you gave up hadn't you? ninetee i started in nineteen eighty four did you? -cos we did box of tricks eighty six, the year before that we did cinderella in nineteen eighty five and i started september october eighty four. +cos we did box of tricks eighty six, the year before that we did cinderella in nineteen eighty five and i started september october eighty four. mm cos you were in the first one weren't you? mhm. you were the little puss weren't you in cinderella? mhm. -so eighty four, eighty five, eighty six, eighty seven, eighty eight, eighty nine, ninety, ninety one i would have been there eight, eight and a bit years. -next time you make this vicki don't ask me if you should add any more liquid just add it . +so eighty four, eighty five, eighty six, eighty seven, eighty eight, eighty nine, ninety, ninety one i would have been there eight, eight and a bit years. +next time you make this vicki don't ask me if you should add any more liquid just add it . what? i'll save you a bit luce, i'll save you a bit. do you think i will come on last? -i shouldn't starring part. +i shouldn't starring part. but i'm thinking, i'm think i've got this terrible feeling i'd have to come on with the princess, if we've just got married oh well you will then. to come through. @@ -75685,7 +75618,7 @@ mm. want to come on on my own. well perhaps you can. princess and then, just shortly afterwards, aladdin. -cos in tom sawyer we came on together didn't we? +cos in tom sawyer we came on together didn't we? mm. which wasn't too bad. i'll save you a bit @@ -75700,21 +75633,21 @@ and then it was on at the theatre royal. so she did tom sawyer, out of huckleberry finn. so that's the best one we've ever done huckleberry finn, it was good wasn't it? -and then last year we did peter pan and i said right i'm leaving but she's always wanted +and then last year we did peter pan and i said right i'm leaving but she's always wanted to do it. to do aladdin so when she thought she'd do it this year she wanted me for aladdin. come on then, jump -for some silly reason -come on then come on then come on. +for some silly reason +come on then come on then come on. so we now have singing er rehearsals, you know er but i cannae not sing you can if you think about it. not in tune to that one. -i was singing it +i was singing it well we'll just have to get the music and -i was singing it in, not in my feet i was going i was me going to do all the words +i was singing it in, not in my feet i was going i was me going to do all the words we'll see if we can get some music from the library, see if our library's got -went down into town +went down into town yes but you, you have to buy the whole album and they hadn't got that in, they'd just sold out. did you see the phantom music? i'd look at that. @@ -75728,16 +75661,16 @@ windblowers shermans oh i seem to have gone down the drain a bit. -windblowers is right up road +windblowers is right up road yes isn't it? the best thing to do is to ring first. -i'll tell you where i had terrific service once, i can't remember what it was for now, it's it's a shop, it's called arcade records because originally it was in the arcade, but it's now just above the cannon cinema in between you know on chapel bar on the left hand side. -and i wanted a particular tape, oh i know it was a tape i'd heard a coach driver using on the er on a coach trip that i was on so i got to know what it was erm and er i went round the usual shops no joy +i'll tell you where i had terrific service once, i can't remember what it was for now, it's it's a shop, it's called arcade records because originally it was in the arcade, but it's now just above the cannon cinema in between you know on chapel bar on the left hand side. +and i wanted a particular tape, oh i know it was a tape i'd heard a coach driver using on the er on a coach trip that i was on so i got to know what it was erm and er i went round the usual shops no joy nothing. -and no sort of interest in in trying to do anything about it +and no sort of interest in in trying to do anything about it yes that's the attitude isn't it, in the main. -i went in to this fella er er er he seemed to know what i was talking about to start with +i went in to this fella er er er he seemed to know what i was talking about to start with that's a good start, yeah. and he said ah no problem i can order it for you if you'd like me to so i said i would and he said he'd phone me when er mm. @@ -75746,12 +75679,12 @@ and he either phoned me the following morning or if it wasn't the following morn mm. that's good then. mm i was very impressed. -i can't remember seeing erm a music shop +i can't remember seeing erm a music shop no you w mind you i don't we don't go go up there much do we? very often. -you don't erm the other day i thought to myself i'll walk up, see if that shop's still there and by the time, you know er i was dreaming obviously, and i'd walked by, i'd got time actually, i was killing time so er i thought oh you silly i said er you've still not er found out, so i went back and it is there but it's not some, it's not a shop +you don't erm the other day i thought to myself i'll walk up, see if that shop's still there and by the time, you know er i was dreaming obviously, and i'd walked by, i'd got time actually, i was killing time so er i thought oh you silly i said er you've still not er found out, so i went back and it is there but it's not some, it's not a shop that you'd notice. no, i mean he's got things that er he's got er cds and things in the window but it's not erm he doesn't blast your eardrums out as you get past the door like some of these do. @@ -75763,7 +75696,7 @@ which tape? my phil collins. oh w well we did have a look but we haven't found it anywhere. -erm going along the centre near top shop, h m v i think it is, that'll have it. +erm going along the centre near top shop, h m v i think it is, that'll have it. well you made a list of what you would like for your birthday, it doesn't say there's only two things on it. it doesn't say you're having both of them dear. @@ -75773,9 +75706,9 @@ you live in hope and you also die in despair. you don't clean it out very well do you? tt it's got bits of shortbread in it! well i put some on a piece of shortcake. -and we only wanted the melted chocolate, we could have had a sticky finger then couldn't we ? +and we only wanted the melted chocolate, we could have had a sticky finger then couldn't we ? yeah . -use it without spilling it down. +use it without spilling it down. what did you say heidi, it'd be too rich? i just said very rich i didn't say too rich. very rich. @@ -75789,10 +75722,10 @@ it didn't run down your chin it stuck to your chin. thank you very much. never mind, never mind it gives you something to do. would you like some more ? -can i do that? +can i do that? course you can, yeah, yeah by all means. yes that's what it's there for, make use of it. -well mine, i've had mine vicki because it +well mine, i've had mine vicki because it we watched in bed with madonna. so you told me. would you like some more ? @@ -75804,11 +75737,11 @@ do help yourself and i'll make some coffee as well. mm i'm podged you podged? what an expression! -you mean you are f t b +you mean you are f t b full to bursting, no i'm not. or full as a bridge. -did you see erm blind date last night? +did you see erm blind date last night? yes! did you see blind date yeah? which bit? @@ -75820,7 +75753,7 @@ the one with she went well with the one in jeans. did you see it last night? i know ooh -oh and he said +oh and he said well he did look a bit like andy pandy didn't he? no he was a workman. i know he was. @@ -75844,8 +75777,8 @@ yeah. i wanted to see how he got on because i didn't think she was the right one for him, i wouldn't have picked her i'd've picked somebody else they went well. -but they seemed to, yes they went better than i -and didn't he didn't he, didn't, didn't he look cute in that +but they seemed to, yes they went better than i +and didn't he didn't he, didn't, didn't he look cute in that he looked nice in his suit. she looked nice that night very nice yes @@ -75854,13 +75787,13 @@ they seem as though they might have hit it off. ha! cos she hasn't had much success lately has she with her blind date people? mm! -she +she i wonder mummy -if some of them just do it to be on the television. +if some of them just do it to be on the television. on the telly. you get people -well now the the thing is and you're speaking to an expert here +well now the the thing is and you're speaking to an expert here oh right, right clear the table, let's ha have you been on? i, i haven't been on but you're the first people i've told this to, i have been out with somebody who has been on @@ -75869,7 +75802,7 @@ have you? as a result of her being on. oh! mm -but she +but she now then can you, do you watch it usually? yes i yeah. @@ -75877,15 +75810,15 @@ do you remember an american fella,elder you know, getting on? an old'un, older, yes. yeah. and er do you remember seeing it, meryl his name was, do you remember? -i can't remember his name i'm not very good at names +i can't remember his name i'm not very good at names quite a good looking fella mm. and he picked number two yes? -and do you remember him when they came back? +and do you remember him when they came back? he, he erm no i don't think i saw him on, on the return one. -oh, it was a disaster, he was er my estimation of him went down a hundred percent because she smoked +oh, it was a disaster, he was er my estimation of him went down a hundred percent because she smoked oh and he didn't did he? and he didn't yes. @@ -75893,52 +75826,52 @@ and er i it was a an absolute disaster er i, i mean he, he more or less er he we and he didn't take her out? er mm. -you know it really was terrible. -anyway erm tt did y you saw the original programme? +you know it really was terrible. +anyway erm tt did y you saw the original programme? yes when he picked her, yeah. yeah. -well number one was a lady who, do you remember, er cilla said to her erm er you've, and yo you've got a shop haven't you? +well number one was a lady who, do you remember, er cilla said to her erm er you've, and yo you've got a shop haven't you? er and she said yes and er er and it was a wedding shop mm. and she, and she said to cilla and said and what er what's the name you've given it? -and she said hitched do you remember? +and she said hitched do you remember? well i can't just remember, i can remember, and the other, the other one was in some sort of trade too wasn't number three too? yeah. yeah she was erm she er was she antiques or something? yes. yes that's right that's right. -well anyway erm this number w i if i, if i'd've picked any of them you see, i mean admittedly you, you've got a, a, a bet +well anyway erm this number w i if i, if i'd've picked any of them you see, i mean admittedly you, you've got a, a, a bet you can see what they look like, yeah. -i would have picked number one you see and erm of course there was the er i knew the name barbara erm and knew she'd got a shop called hitched in northampton er er anyway when i was in the library i thought well i'll just see if hitched is in the telephone book you see, and it was. -er but anyway er an and the address, full address was you see so a about a week i, i, i wrote, you know, to her and told her a bit about myself and er, you know, about, about seeing the programme etcetera and erm i got a letter did i get a letter back? -yeah got a letter back from her and she seemed quite pleased to have the letter but she also started by i've been surprised by the amount of interest shown s si since i went on. +i would have picked number one you see and erm of course there was the er i knew the name barbara erm and knew she'd got a shop called hitched in northampton er er anyway when i was in the library i thought well i'll just see if hitched is in the telephone book you see, and it was. +er but anyway er an and the address, full address was you see so a about a week i, i, i wrote, you know, to her and told her a bit about myself and er, you know, about, about seeing the programme etcetera and erm i got a letter did i get a letter back? +yeah got a letter back from her and she seemed quite pleased to have the letter but she also started by i've been surprised by the amount of interest shown s si since i went on. from the pro -anyway erm tt i went down the day before i went into hospital actually for my op, and er +anyway erm tt i went down the day before i went into hospital actually for my op, and er mm -just spent a a day there and erm very nice erm she's got a lovely shop, she's in partner -where is do you know the address? +just spent a a day there and erm very nice erm she's got a lovely shop, she's in partner +where is do you know the address? abing abington grove street. abington grove? -oh that's where erm june was wasn't it? +oh that's where erm june was wasn't it? mm. no. yeah. -no, abington grove aunty evelyn think she was living on +no, abington grove aunty evelyn think she was living on she was off abington street wasn't she? yeah. -do you remember that shop with in? +do you remember that shop with in? abington grove yes. -i mean i know that place so well +i mean i know that place so well and i can't just put my finger on abington grove. excuse me. -cos there's abington avenue +cos there's abington avenue yeah. there is isn't there? -yeah, the v yeah +yeah, the v yeah and, and, and i don't think they're all at the same place either are they? no. this is somewhere near d is it the racecourse? @@ -75960,20 +75893,20 @@ but it might if you keep in touch. yes and we er well it's different isn't it? er -er do you know the er, it looked a fairly new building, i don't know how long it had been going, she's a member of the something club +er do you know the er, it looked a fairly new building, i don't know how long it had been going, she's a member of the something club something club. it's got a casino upstairs. -ah erm tt vicki what's that casino called that used to be somewhere near the erm boys brigade place? -did used to be boys brigade? +ah erm tt vicki what's that casino called that used to be somewhere near the erm boys brigade place? +did used to be boys brigade? oh what on earth's it called? i shall kn i shall know it no . -er yes he was an officer in the boys brigade and that's where he started all his duke of edinburgh work. -erm i'll ask vicki if she can remember. +er yes he was an officer in the boys brigade and that's where he started all his duke of edinburgh work. +erm i'll ask vicki if she can remember. names beat me sometimes these days. mm. i can see the place. -you know when +you know when yeah. nana? and it's more in the centre of the town isn't it? @@ -75988,34 +75921,34 @@ what do you mean full size? horses come in different sizes. well it wasn't a small model. but you get small ponies, i mean it could be a life size model of a horse that big. -mm mm mm did you have a nice christmas? +mm mm mm did you have a nice christmas? mm. that was ages ago. yes. did you? -watched the box but we had, i don't think there was anything decent on but yeah had a nice christmas lunch, tash and john came and nice, had a nice time. +watched the box but we had, i don't think there was anything decent on but yeah had a nice christmas lunch, tash and john came and nice, had a nice time. cold yesterday. yes it was wasn't it? -it snowing want to get a week off school +it snowing want to get a week off school so tasha's at langley mill did i hear? -so is she working, she used to work at didn't she? -yeah in the erm tt industrial estate near +so is she working, she used to work at didn't she? +yeah in the erm tt industrial estate near is she still there? yeah. is your dad at auckley? -yeah erm don't know when he's back don't know anything. +yeah erm don't know when he's back don't know anything. are, are you taking any other science subjects other than chemistry? i'm taking biology as well. biology? mm. -i quite like maths but i don't like the teacher cos though i like maths i just don't like the lessons. +i quite like maths but i don't like the teacher cos though i like maths i just don't like the lessons. they're a bit boring. hate english. oh no does everybody have to take maths now? -yeah got to take maths. +yeah got to take maths. it's only if you do english literature as well but i don't. -would you like to sit more comfortably in the lounge for your coffee? +would you like to sit more comfortably in the lounge for your coffee? thank you. shall we sit in the lounge and be a bit more relaxed? can you see can you see through them? @@ -76028,10 +75961,10 @@ just a bit. just a bit, weeny, weeny weeny are you coming in the yeah i'm going to sleep on the settee. -you needn't bother going to sleep you can just carry the tray for us. -oh it's got mel gibson +you needn't bother going to sleep you can just carry the tray for us. +oh it's got mel gibson ? -do sit down fred and i'll +do sit down fred and i'll thank you. warning, this is a government health warning, there is going to be a large bang. very large. @@ -76045,15 +75978,15 @@ just what we need isn't it, on the floor. come on, pick it up. it's decorative, the dog can play with it. mummy wants me to carry the tray in. -without the coffee -we've been playing michael crawford's music on the tape, well we started because she was erm tt trying to get the tune for love changes everything so this morning we decided +without the coffee +we've been playing michael crawford's music on the tape, well we started because she was erm tt trying to get the tune for love changes everything so this morning we decided don't. that is an embarrassing subject. pardon? it's an embarrassing subject. embarrassing subject? love changes everything. -we've got the t v +we've got the t v what time are you going to the ? don't know don't care. are you walking up? @@ -76061,14 +75994,14 @@ what is the idea of having your trousers so the bottoms don't get ruined. so the bottoms don't get ruined, we're considering the bottoms of our jeans now. don't know. -lovejoy, you've gotta watch lovejoy +lovejoy, you've gotta watch lovejoy where's that gone to? oh mummy i'm sad. are you dear? is not on . well of course it's not on, it hasn't been on for weeks. and we can watch lovejoy. -now would you like me to put it in for you or shall would you like to help yourself? +now would you like me to put it in for you or shall would you like to help yourself? yes put it in for me, not too much. not too much. is that enough? @@ -76078,14 +76011,14 @@ yes please. i erm, i t you know the bounty? oh how's that? erm -lucy +lucy thank you. hang on to that and i'll put some sugar in. -you'll hit her listen you went in to her. +you'll hit her listen you went in to her. i did not, look what she did to my jumper. thank you. thank you. -i did nothing to her +i did nothing to her what's the matter? well she was asleep. if you look on the worktop @@ -76101,10 +76034,10 @@ you were being silly, i didn't do anything. have you got enough milk in there fred? yes thank you. mummy anyway, you know that you enjoyed looking at the bounty? -you know right at the end he had those very gorgeous of his? +you know right at the end he had those very gorgeous of his? very gorgeous what? sorry yes? -it blew out and it. +it blew out and it. erm nine fifty to twelve o'clock, how long is that? two, three hours isn't it? nine fifty to twelve o'clock, what's that? @@ -76113,21 +76046,21 @@ most of them are rubbish i should think. that's mine. are we opening these or? are we opening these? -i thought we could open them and have one with +i thought we could open them and have one with the point is after nine o'clock they're not fit for under eight human consumption. under eighteen viewing. what's this about if it's after n well if what's after nine o'clock, a film? mm. -the films that are on television, if they're after nine o'clock they're not suitable for under eighteens viewing. -excuse me are you saying that young guns is not suitable for people under eighteen? +the films that are on television, if they're after nine o'clock they're not suitable for under eighteens viewing. +excuse me are you saying that young guns is not suitable for people under eighteen? i think that's a bit of a joke somehow. have you gotta be there for half past? yes. right. but i like, i like chocolate. -are you go are you going to sing to us +are you go are you going to sing to us i like warm your voice up before you get up there. it's not singing today. @@ -76143,8 +76076,8 @@ i know. i know we can't have it. you can have the coffee cream. might get there in a minute but i think these are going to go on the floor in a minute. -well i -well one minute +well i +well one minute it does take a long while doesn't it? oh it does yes it does. no i don't want one thanks. @@ -76153,7 +76086,7 @@ mummy first. you don't want the toffee do you? no. oh they've got a new box i think. -oh doesn't it? +oh doesn't it? right what shall we have lucy? shall we have erm did you watch baywatch yesterday mother? @@ -76164,9 +76097,9 @@ he got kidnapped herbie got kidnapped who did? herbie. oh yeah. -we bought some toffees last week, chocolates last week in thorntons, supposed to be assorted we bought a pound and, and they were caramels and both malcolm +we bought some toffees last week, chocolates last week in thorntons, supposed to be assorted we bought a pound and, and they were caramels and both malcolm i didn't get caramel -i and vicki we don't really like caramels because of chewing them and every one we +i and vicki we don't really like caramels because of chewing them and every one we we are trying to preserve our teeth. every one was a caramel i didn't get all caramels @@ -76179,35 +76112,35 @@ well it's not difficult when you've got somebody else joining you. excuse me! i did not eat that many thank you very much! right. -go and get yourself ready for +go and get yourself ready for i'm just i'm just sorting this out. what was it? -this is what i recorded, i recorded this, the erm jagged edge which was erm erm dreary quite average thriller that hots up nicely towards the end with call it erm erm erm becomes erm uncomfortably memorable. -something jeff bridges who's not very nice but steaming rich might have been found recently +this is what i recorded, i recorded this, the erm jagged edge which was erm erm dreary quite average thriller that hots up nicely towards the end with call it erm erm erm becomes erm uncomfortably memorable. +something jeff bridges who's not very nice but steaming rich might have been found recently heidi we don't really want to know. and the other thing i videoed was and would you switch off it's eastenders. -was marathon man dustin hoffman. +was marathon man dustin hoffman. i'm not watching eastenders i'm watching the video. you won't have time. -i'm not watching it i'm just getting it at the beginning. -got on it. +i'm not watching it i'm just getting it at the beginning. +got on it. i think he's -i think he's going to +i think he's going to mm. well what's he gonna do? -go and +go and go straight into that oh that'll be a nice explosion. must see this. oh yes. ya! look at that, yeah. -erm oh it's him, what's his name -that, no it's not colin he's been in it for ages now. +erm oh it's him, what's his name +that, no it's not colin he's been in it for ages now. tt oh dear heidi! just switch it off so we don't er -ten past two past +ten past two past it's twenty past two. i think you'd better get yourself sorted out. did you have washes this morning? @@ -76219,7 +76152,7 @@ oh how old is he? year younger. oh. i bet he was really pleased -that's him out the bill +that's him out the bill which room did you sleep in, her bedroom? the lounge. oh. @@ -76231,96 +76164,96 @@ you know that old d c i nana? ray have you seen any more holidays on er teletext then? not real, real -not +not super. but of course i've not been in the market you, you know. i've er so there's no point in looking in case there is something that appeals? -well i, i still do look er y you know but not er m you see last year th there's not been bargains with erm, who was it who went bust? +well i, i still do look er y you know but not er m you see last year th there's not been bargains with erm, who was it who went bust? erm you know the big er yeah. -big intasun when that you see all those people needed erm other holidays and then with yugoslavia coming out of the market because of the unrest there +big intasun when that you see all those people needed erm other holidays and then with yugoslavia coming out of the market because of the unrest there trouble there. people who were going there wanted holidays so there wasn't too much over capacity. have you gotta go back with your hand? -yes i see er the surgeon again on thursday and i'm having physio. +yes i see er the surgeon again on thursday and i'm having physio. is it painful? no not really. -i it's it's +i it's it's aches? -not painful er but it when you er it is when they're doing physio and when i do, you know, i have, have to do it myself, i should be doing it every hour. +not painful er but it when you er it is when they're doing physio and when i do, you know, i have, have to do it myself, i should be doing it every hour. have they, well did they cut you across the palm of your hand? -yes my it started there and went up to there. +yes my it started there and went up to there. i'm not going nowhere near that thing. -i thought vernon was er more down across his hand and he couldn't d do anything with his +i thought vernon was er more down across his hand and he couldn't d do anything with his palm of his hand. are you gonna have a chocolate fred? no thanks. -not at the moment thank you, i think i've really had +not at the moment thank you, i think i've really had you're really podged? yes. what would you like lucy? well don't have that one because it's apricot. it won't do any because it won't do anything for my waistline. -i know you can get sport, weather, news whatever on but i wouldn't know what else you can get or what page. +i know you can get sport, weather, news whatever on but i wouldn't know what else you can get or what page. oh well i haven't got as far as that because i so how do you know just what is available? -erm i shall have to sit one afternoon and go through it all . +erm i shall have to sit one afternoon and go through it all . yes well i if you're on one -i think it was erm when john was tt playing with it +i think it was erm when john was tt playing with it fiddling around i, i noticed yeah. -he just stood there +he just stood there ernie's ernie's winning numbers. ernie's winning numbers? ah. bet it wasn't ours was it? i don't know what mine are to tell you the truth. well you'll have to have yours glued erm tt to the side of the television set when ernie's numbers comes up you can -well they're supposed to let you know aren't they if erm if you win? +well they're supposed to let you know aren't they if erm if you win? they are supposed to tell you. yeah. i'm sure they will let you know. -cos when it first started i used to check in the sunday paper every day but er i dunno it's a waste of time . +cos when it first started i used to check in the sunday paper every day but er i dunno it's a waste of time . they've got the address, they're supposed to let you know when yeah you come up. -i have a niece who erm she had quite a few, she's won several times. -and it's a case of coals, taking coals to newcastle -yeah yeah. +i have a niece who erm she had quite a few, she's won several times. +and it's a case of coals, taking coals to newcastle +yeah yeah. but it would be quite nice to collect on, on something. -but you get quite a lot of these erm i suppose they're trying to promote what they're say selling you are, you have been picked out of nottingham +but you get quite a lot of these erm i suppose they're trying to promote what they're say selling you are, you have been picked out of nottingham yeah to have these er four numbers, a chance to win about twenty thousand. -i keep sending them back but i haven't got the twenty thousand yet. -ah i did win s it was before, before tasha and john got married it was er one of these catalogues that came through you see anyway i sent the thing back and i got the catalogue and they wanted some things out and you get twenty five pounds off whatever you ordered, the first order, so quite alright but i did win something out of that draw twenty five p -they sent me a cheque for twenty five p and i was going to tear it up i thought well no i might as well put it in the in the bank twenty five p. -and i waited till i'd got a few bit more money to put in and sort of hid it amongst all these others, mm. +i keep sending them back but i haven't got the twenty thousand yet. +ah i did win s it was before, before tasha and john got married it was er one of these catalogues that came through you see anyway i sent the thing back and i got the catalogue and they wanted some things out and you get twenty five pounds off whatever you ordered, the first order, so quite alright but i did win something out of that draw twenty five p +they sent me a cheque for twenty five p and i was going to tear it up i thought well no i might as well put it in the in the bank twenty five p. +and i waited till i'd got a few bit more money to put in and sort of hid it amongst all these others, mm. yeah twenty five p i won on that one. what have you got your nose there for? -but talk about a hassle they wanted, they, well they picked the be the pr you know the present that you c you claim erm, a deep fryer and i think it was in march time and by july it still hadn't come in spite of ringing and writing and everything else +but talk about a hassle they wanted, they, well they picked the be the pr you know the present that you c you claim erm, a deep fryer and i think it was in march time and by july it still hadn't come in spite of ringing and writing and everything else really? -and then they informed me that it was out of stock so i wrote them rather a a polite letter saying that it took them a long to realize it was out of stock when it had been ordered in march and erm i thought their communi communicative system in their office was er non existent. -anyway they said what else would they like and they had some, a set of luggage, well it's only this nylon stuff but it was very useful for them to take away with them it did a bit of good the and i, i put in this letter i shall no longer order, i shall what was it? -i shall be very wary of having any contact with your firm again . -they're still pestering me, sending me letters and we haven't heard from you recently -what would you like from the catalogue sort of thing and i only had this catalogue to cos i pa you know i paid for it what di did they have? -oh i think an electric drill it was in the sixties so with the twenty five pounds off it brought it down a bit and i, i paid for it with one cheque so i wasn't having it on the weekly er er it worked out i think vicki gave some of it towards it. -but i thought if that's how they run a business so then when they, they moved house i realized they were using an ordinary saucepan to do their chips in and i had visions of fat boiling over and cos it's gas so i bought them one a very nice deep fryer as a housewarming present. +and then they informed me that it was out of stock so i wrote them rather a a polite letter saying that it took them a long to realize it was out of stock when it had been ordered in march and erm i thought their communi communicative system in their office was er non existent. +anyway they said what else would they like and they had some, a set of luggage, well it's only this nylon stuff but it was very useful for them to take away with them it did a bit of good the and i, i put in this letter i shall no longer order, i shall what was it? +i shall be very wary of having any contact with your firm again . +they're still pestering me, sending me letters and we haven't heard from you recently +what would you like from the catalogue sort of thing and i only had this catalogue to cos i pa you know i paid for it what di did they have? +oh i think an electric drill it was in the sixties so with the twenty five pounds off it brought it down a bit and i, i paid for it with one cheque so i wasn't having it on the weekly er er it worked out i think vicki gave some of it towards it. +but i thought if that's how they run a business so then when they, they moved house i realized they were using an ordinary saucepan to do their chips in and i had visions of fat boiling over and cos it's gas so i bought them one a very nice deep fryer as a housewarming present. it came in very useful because they were quite a while before the gas was connected. -but you've only got, if you w if you put chips in a basket in a chip pan if it, the fat boils up you can at least lift the chips out straight away but if you're putting them straight into the pan there's no hope of stopping it coming over. +but you've only got, if you w if you put chips in a basket in a chip pan if it, the fat boils up you can at least lift the chips out straight away but if you're putting them straight into the pan there's no hope of stopping it coming over. yeah. -oh i kept thinking of this fire hazard thought i can't, i can't live with that any longer +oh i kept thinking of this fire hazard thought i can't, i can't live with that any longer with the thought of them using a saucepan. cos they hadn't seen any danger to it i suppose. -so then john, he tries all sorts of things out, you know doughnuts and things like that and it's a thermostatically controlled +so then john, he tries all sorts of things out, you know doughnuts and things like that and it's a thermostatically controlled yeah -one so he knows what the temperature's going to be and er he's i think he's quite enjoyed experimenting with it. -they've got quite a nice it's not a large house but it's a good size lounge and dining room and kitchen. -the bathroom is downstairs but there are three bedrooms so it's quite a decent size for them. -but the base of the bed is still in the dining room, they can't get it up up the stairs although i although it folds up, you know, it's it's standing like this in in the dining room. +one so he knows what the temperature's going to be and er he's i think he's quite enjoyed experimenting with it. +they've got quite a nice it's not a large house but it's a good size lounge and dining room and kitchen. +the bathroom is downstairs but there are three bedrooms so it's quite a decent size for them. +but the base of the bed is still in the dining room, they can't get it up up the stairs although i although it folds up, you know, it's it's standing like this in in the dining room. the cat er likes it there, it goes and sits on the top of it. you're not cooking are you? vicki ? @@ -76337,16 +76270,16 @@ no. oh. what are you busy doing? i've just washed the wine glasses out. -oh well i would have come and done those +oh well i would have come and done those ah there's only four. i've done them now. oh right. being lazy. -i had such a lazy week christmas week i went down to er northamptonshire to my son's. -all i did was wash up and we didn't do anything else. +i had such a lazy week christmas week i went down to er northamptonshire to my son's. +all i did was wash up and we didn't do anything else. talk about being lazy. they wouldn't let me do a thing. -never went out till friday because it was, they went walking but it was so windy cos they're here and the garden's sort of down to a field and then it's all fields and fields and fields and the wind just comes across like gales all the time. +never went out till friday because it was, they went walking but it was so windy cos they're here and the garden's sort of down to a field and then it's all fields and fields and fields and the wind just comes across like gales all the time. i think i've never spent such a lazy week. were you here at christmas? no. @@ -76357,26 +76290,26 @@ went on the saturday. they came up to view heidi's riding display then i went back with them and vicki and malcolm diverted from barford on the sunday where they'd been for lunch and picked me up sunday afternoon the sort of following weekend. first time i hadn't spent christmas with vicki i think since they were married. we went to the theatre in london on the friday night. -they have erm what's called the players' theatre, i don't know whether you've heard of it at all erm they belong, they're members of it. +they have erm what's called the players' theatre, i don't know whether you've heard of it at all erm they belong, they're members of it. it's only the ground floor, really, and it is set out with a bar at the back and refreshments like the old music halls used to be with every so often, every few seats there is a table so that it's a thing to have your drink and refreshments to hand at the table. and before the proceedings you drink the health to queen victoria oh yes -and it's a, an old fashioned music hall, more often than not well when we went it was a pantomime but the first part of the evening was an o a music hall +and it's a, an old fashioned music hall, more often than not well when we went it was a pantomime but the first part of the evening was an o a music hall mm. type of entertainment, then it was a pantomime, beauty and the beast, but they keep as near to the original script as they can always, well it was written eighteen fourteen or something. quite entertaining. and you sing chorus so you know they give you a song sheet and you sing then. -it's very expensive to for what it is, i mean it's fifteen pounds a ticket but if you, if you're a member of course you get in reduced +it's very expensive to for what it is, i mean it's fifteen pounds a ticket but if you, if you're a member of course you get in reduced yes. but you've got to, terence said it's so dear to be a member you have got to keep going to get your, your money back. -but it's, it's a nice homely it's all been refurbished in the last year. +but it's, it's a nice homely it's all been refurbished in the last year. and they've made a very nice restaurant on the top floor. -only a very small one but it's very nice nice food. -then when we came out we s went around london to see the sights but the decorations but why we went i didn't think anything to them at all this year. -cos we didn't get ou we didn't fin it didn't finish till about -well half past ten if not later so we were late getting home. +only a very small one but it's very nice nice food. +then when we came out we s went around london to see the sights but the decorations but why we went i didn't think anything to them at all this year. +cos we didn't get ou we didn't fin it didn't finish till about +well half past ten if not later so we were late getting home. mm. -but they pop down to london as though it's down into town but they're quite near the motorway so it's useful. +but they pop down to london as though it's down into town but they're quite near the motorway so it's useful. yes well i've often said northampton's about the right distance. er y y yeah. @@ -76393,15 +76326,15 @@ her mum's knee will be back. on her gran's knee. mum's knee will be back. ah!somebody else's knee? -don't want do you luce? +don't want do you luce? is his eye running again? i think he must have a bit of cold in it or something. -have you still got a hair in from your +have you still got a hair in from your haircut. haircut? this weather's enough to give anybody a cold eye isn't it? mm? -well we set out with the good intention of taking her for a long walk this morning but er we changed our mind didn't we? +well we set out with the good intention of taking her for a long walk this morning but er we changed our mind didn't we? didn't do, didn't think it would do you any good did we? oh it was so damp and ooh and miserable oh it was miserable yeah. @@ -76409,24 +76342,24 @@ yesterday it was very cold but it was very nice yes. and dry wasn't it? yes i, i walked from er where was it, langmere lane? -walked from road +walked from road well wasn't, isn't that langmere lane where you park the car? no langmere lane's the other side of the garage. well what's that lane called then? tt that goes into compton acres doesn't it? i don't know what that's called. -car conked out so vicki stayed with the car and her who we were going to take a walk in ruddington, and i walked home with her to get malcolm to go over with the other car. +car conked out so vicki stayed with the car and her who we were going to take a walk in ruddington, and i walked home with her to get malcolm to go over with the other car. and it was quite ni actually although i was hurrying because i thought of them sitting in the car erm it was very pleasant walking, very slippery though along by walford cemetery and all down there. you really stepped out. yes. nice crisp morning wasn't it? -it was a pleasant morning for walking, it would have been quite nice -but it was cold waited. +it was a pleasant morning for walking, it would have been quite nice +but it was cold waited. well you were frozen weren't you waiting? -cold day, it was me that but i think with hurrying so, quite a good walk. -it's alright when i first got in then after a while my legs all started going wobbly . +cold day, it was me that but i think with hurrying so, quite a good walk. +it's alright when i first got in then after a while my legs all started going wobbly . oh yeah. -but saturday mornings we usually drop heidi don't we? +but saturday mornings we usually drop heidi don't we? yes. and then go in the the building and leisure centre @@ -76434,98 +76367,98 @@ park. leisure park at ruddington and they've got a quite a lot paths and yes of intersecting paths haven't they? -and it's just opposite where we drop heidi, we used to walk along the road it doesn't really lead anywhere only to a couple of farms does it? +and it's just opposite where we drop heidi, we used to walk along the road it doesn't really lead anywhere only to a couple of farms does it? but if we go in the park she can run more, or in the summer we go down by the old railway track don't we? yes. -go through the farm and go along there. +go through the farm and go along there. see the flowers and listen to the birds. don't we? but you had a walk on your lead yesterday didn't you? -and this morning we got as far as didn't we? +and this morning we got as far as didn't we? went in for a hot chocolate and that was it we didn't and then we just -well we did +well we did we walked outside didn't we? yeah so she could come off the lead. but it was so damp and cold and not nice was it? she enjoys herself cos she chases around all the beds doesn't she there and -she doesn't go far she just, she just doesn't bother anybody else. +she doesn't go far she just, she just doesn't bother anybody else. do you? -and heidi was going to phone to say what time she wanted collecting and so we'd got to be back couldn't be out too long could we? +and heidi was going to phone to say what time she wanted collecting and so we'd got to be back couldn't be out too long could we? no. and leave the we needn't have bothered though need we? no! by the look of it. -cos she asked last night, i was supposed to be taking jenny and then when fay came she asked me if i'd take fay as well today so it looks as though charlotte's mum did everybody took everybody home. +cos she asked last night, i was supposed to be taking jenny and then when fay came she asked me if i'd take fay as well today so it looks as though charlotte's mum did everybody took everybody home. mm. -well it's an awkward time to ask people to go and fetch them when they're if they're preparing dinner isn't it? -most people don't have a sunday dinner as they used to. +well it's an awkward time to ask people to go and fetch them when they're if they're preparing dinner isn't it? +most people don't have a sunday dinner as they used to. i don't think it is a traditional -not i don't think it is. +not i don't think it is. no. it is -mind you +mind you when you go to our morning service it is. exactly . well we always used to have what i call a traditional sunday dinner yes we did. -father used to like that so -but well sometimes we still do but sometimes we have something else instead don't we? +father used to like that so +but well sometimes we still do but sometimes we have something else instead don't we? totally different, yeah. yes. lives have changed. yeah, all changed. -but i think there are a lot of people that don't have a sunday dinner, whatever form. +but i think there are a lot of people that don't have a sunday dinner, whatever form. think there are a lot of children that just have, well i think they must just live on snacks, they just mm. -something here, beans on toast, open a packet of this, tin of that and or a take away or +something here, beans on toast, open a packet of this, tin of that and or a take away or pizza or mm. -we went to church last sunday didn't we? +we went to church last sunday didn't we? mhm well it's the first time i've been this year. -well you're right yes, it would be this year but i didn't go much at the end of last year did i? +well you're right yes, it would be this year but i didn't go much at the end of last year did i? no well you were away -i was away and then i had that awful little cough first thing in the morning erm and i think i, to be quite honest, i lost interest in going. +i was away and then i had that awful little cough first thing in the morning erm and i think i, to be quite honest, i lost interest in going. well last sunday it seemed to be going quite nicely to start with, trying to think what it was, communion it was carole communion yes -carole she's normally very interesting but she was very hard to hear. +carole she's normally very interesting but she was very hard to hear. carole . malcolm said it was . well she was very good didn't he? but he was sitting underneath her. -yeah but we'd got erm tt oh, leo at the side of us so he was, do you know the that do christian ? +yeah but we'd got erm tt oh, leo at the side of us so he was, do you know the that do christian ? no i know of them. yeah what's her name? sandra -sa sandra sandra i think it is, sandra you couldn't hear anything could you? +sa sandra sandra i think it is, sandra you couldn't hear anything could you? he was chattering away, dad was replying to him, he was up and down the steps, shuffling on the carpet and they were having this game, you know, one hand on top of the other so oh! it was clapping and oh dear -and you just but as we were saying er talking to janet afterwards there was another little one down at the side, erm mum was getting a bit irate with him, but you see they don't take anything for the children to do. +and you just but as we were saying er talking to janet afterwards there was another little one down at the side, erm mum was getting a bit irate with him, but you see they don't take anything for the children to do. i mean you can't expect them to be quiet, just sit and do nothing all that time. that's right. -it didn't finish till five to twelve did it last sunday? -well that's early, i should have thought it was +it didn't finish till five to twelve did it last sunday? +well that's early, i should have thought it was was it after that? well i thought it was, yes. -it might have been -well you can't expect them to just sit. +it might have been +well you can't expect them to just sit. i mean fair enough you can't expect them to be quiet. -but i think the parents should take something for them to do, i mean we used to take colouring books and books for the children to look at and +but i think the parents should take something for them to do, i mean we used to take colouring books and books for the children to look at and yeah. -whatever so there was something to keep them occupied and erm you know have a bag and as soon as they got fed up with that right you'd get something else out to take their interest and +whatever so there was something to keep them occupied and erm you know have a bag and as soon as they got fed up with that right you'd get something else out to take their interest and well peter did remark to this lady didn't he? who's child was making a dickens of a commotion -noise, that the creche was in the +noise, that the creche was in the yes. and she did actually take him out at one time but she looked @@ -76535,19 +76468,19 @@ yes and he and he'd got a car that he'd got out of the creche i think, cos he hadn't got it when he went out. no, and of course he was running that along the seat -and dropping it . +and dropping it . and dropping it off the seat and whatever. but leo hadn't got anything but he certainly made enough noise, oh dear. -so what with carole's soft voice and that we didn't get a lot of and it seemed as though it was well like that, several times i went last year and i really got a bit cheesed off. +so what with carole's soft voice and that we didn't get a lot of and it seemed as though it was well like that, several times i went last year and i really got a bit cheesed off. oh er yes i was going to say we suddenly heard a chorus didn't we? oh yes that was it. -oh well we've got +oh well we've got there are quite a few children in here, let's have some choruses. i don't like that. -you're all in the mood and -along this line and then all of a sudden it's yes that's right it was before +you're all in the mood and +along this line and then all of a sudden it's yes that's right it was before communion, yes. -we'd had the collection and then it was all choruses and then it was oh where were we, he'd, then he'd forgotten his glasses, couldn't find his glasses, what page were we +we'd had the collection and then it was all choruses and then it was oh where were we, he'd, then he'd forgotten his glasses, couldn't find his glasses, what page were we didn't know where he was. oh dear . and then we went back to the prayer after the collection didn't we? @@ -76556,17 +76489,17 @@ where are my glasses? so somebody had to tell him he'd left them at the altar. altar. -so it was we'd got distractions and then we suddenly chip in with all these choruses er no! +so it was we'd got distractions and then we suddenly chip in with all these choruses er no! didn't go down too well with me that didn't . on a family service fair enough, when you've got the family service and it's all yeah, mm, right. you know, bits of this and bits of that but there again i think the family service ought to be a lot shorter than it is -well it certainly should be because it's for the families, for the young children and they, they can't understand what it, all of it is about so it should be kept as simple and as short as possible. +well it certainly should be because it's for the families, for the young children and they, they can't understand what it, all of it is about so it should be kept as simple and as short as possible. and the ch and the children should have their own address. er well one address that is suitable for children. grown ups can sit and listen to it all close their ears. probably get far more response from the grown ups -erm but some of these childrens' addresses that we've had at st paul's they are very interesting and you get something out of them. +erm but some of these childrens' addresses that we've had at st paul's they are very interesting and you get something out of them. yeah. i miss going to st paul's really. well we did go there one sunday didn't we? @@ -76588,10 +76521,10 @@ well i didn't cos i wasn't here. oh no. no that's one thing i missed about christmas. going to . -well jane did say no i don't think there's one in the village but if you want to go to one i'll take you to daventry would be nearest, yes, but she said i'll take you to one if you want to go. +well jane did say no i don't think there's one in the village but if you want to go to one i'll take you to daventry would be nearest, yes, but she said i'll take you to one if you want to go. yeah i think we went in november to er st paul's didn't we? mm. -well you can fit so much in to an hour i mean it's not rushed. +well you can fit so much in to an hour i mean it's not rushed. and it's for the children. but it never lasts more than an hour whatever he does. yes peter goes on and on and on. @@ -76600,15 +76533,15 @@ fill it. yeah. yes he's not going to finish before twelve o'clock at the earliest, choose what. i don't know whose idea it is that it goes on and on. -yeah the eight thirty, the eight o'clock service is a lot more seems a lot more compact, i know you haven't got the hymns, but it seems to erm start, go on and finish, you know it +yeah the eight thirty, the eight o'clock service is a lot more seems a lot more compact, i know you haven't got the hymns, but it seems to erm start, go on and finish, you know it mm. it's all there -but that sat sunday when hazel was here and i, and she didn't want to go so i said i'd stay with her and cook the dinner when y when you came back you said it's a good job you didn't come, it didn't finish till half past twelve and you came straight home and you were here about +but that sat sunday when hazel was here and i, and she didn't want to go so i said i'd stay with her and cook the dinner when y when you came back you said it's a good job you didn't come, it didn't finish till half past twelve and you came straight home and you were here about oh that's right. what ha what was that sunday?and then something extra, yes. that was a long one wasn't it? i know when you came in you said well it's a good job you didn't come. -can't remember, cos i don't think you stayed for coffee and you didn't get home till it was about ten to one wasn't it? +can't remember, cos i don't think you stayed for coffee and you didn't get home till it was about ten to one wasn't it? mm. cos everything was cooked when you mm can't remember now. @@ -76618,38 +76551,38 @@ so what service is it next week? don't know. today wasn't it? peter was saying, you know peter ? -yes his name is isn't it? +yes his name is isn't it? i always -, peter -peter and +, peter +peter and that's it. -erm do you know i've just wo wondered if i put on their christmas card. -did you i gave it you didn't i? +erm do you know i've just wo wondered if i put on their christmas card. +did you i gave it you didn't i? mm. no somebody would've noticed that. -it's alright peter used to live facing them at er malton erm he was saying about the charismatic how long their services go on, it's about three hours, but he said you know they take their flasks or they just walk out and have a break if they want to and then go back in . -i thought well jolly good idea that. +it's alright peter used to live facing them at er malton erm he was saying about the charismatic how long their services go on, it's about three hours, but he said you know they take their flasks or they just walk out and have a break if they want to and then go back in . +i thought well jolly good idea that. well tasha went down to one or two with joyce didn't she? mm and she erm -what was it, six o'clock and come back at nine ? +what was it, six o'clock and come back at nine ? yes. tt mm. are you ready for a cup of tea? that'd be very nice, mm -could you manage a cup of tea fred ? +could you manage a cup of tea fred ? i'll manage a cup of tea and then i'll pop off thank you. gosh di do you know it's quarter to four! mm. what now? yes. oh my doesn't time fly? -well i looked at that and i thought i thought well i'm, i'm sure it's quarter to and checked on mine. +well i looked at that and i thought i thought well i'm, i'm sure it's quarter to and checked on mine. ooh. let's make a cuppa. i can see your eyes keep going, yes. she's only gone in there. -every noise i hear her, i can see her eyes going round . +every noise i hear her, i can see her eyes going round . where do you go for your physio, queens? no i'm er having it privately like i've had the other, you know, on my er bupa thing. @@ -76660,44 +76593,44 @@ did you get good treatment in the hospital? mm. i was only there a couple of days but yes it was very good. did you find it lonely in a room on your own? -no erm well i, i mean the first day er in the, the mor +no erm well i, i mean the first day er in the, the mor you were busy getting ready -no i, i went in at half past seven in the morning and i was in the operation theatre before quarter to nine that same morning so that morning was taken up and the afternoon and evening, chris came in the evening tt and er oh er bob,th the curate, our former curate, came +no i, i went in at half past seven in the morning and i was in the operation theatre before quarter to nine that same morning so that morning was taken up and the afternoon and evening, chris came in the evening tt and er oh er bob,th the curate, our former curate, came ? -i er i phoned him up to let him know i was going in and he's not too far away you see so asked him if he'd like to pop in so he did about half eleven. -then i'd er erm a friend come in in the afternoon and er can't remember if i had anybody in the evening or not. -er then er s sun that's saturday, then sunday erm i er the surgeon wa was coming in about er lunch time, roundabout lunchtime, and i was expecting to go after that and prior to that, i didn't know she was coming, one of the nuns, it was i i was in the convent +i er i phoned him up to let him know i was going in and he's not too far away you see so asked him if he'd like to pop in so he did about half eleven. +then i'd er erm a friend come in in the afternoon and er can't remember if i had anybody in the evening or not. +er then er s sun that's saturday, then sunday erm i er the surgeon wa was coming in about er lunch time, roundabout lunchtime, and i was expecting to go after that and prior to that, i didn't know she was coming, one of the nuns, it was i i was in the convent oh. er, i didn't see a nun at , most of them were just ordinary nursing staff, just popped in to see how i was and we had a long chat about oh yes. -various things, you know, work and church and the country and it was quite +various things, you know, work and church and the country and it was quite putting the worlds to right. mm it was quite good. so er i, time didn't drag at all. -i, i was in when i had a hysterectomy and, but i think i was so ill i was glad really that erm i was on my own then. +i, i was in when i had a hysterectomy and, but i think i was so ill i was glad really that erm i was on my own then. actually i did not see another patient at all well i didn't, i was in because ten days yeah -and i, i never saw anybody else. -my, my sister- in-law, she w had to go in just before christmas, had to rather suddenly she's was diagnosed in the summer as having diverticulitis and they planned a sort of diet out to keep her really well and she was in terrible pain and they rushed her off for a scan and er she goes privately cos vernon, i think actually his is bupa that he's in, he joined when it first came out and she wrote to me and she said oh i'm, i just feel so lonely, there's nobody to talk to, i've got nobody to see or anything and she felt a bit cos she wasn't really that ill +and i, i never saw anybody else. +my, my sister- in-law, she w had to go in just before christmas, had to rather suddenly she's was diagnosed in the summer as having diverticulitis and they planned a sort of diet out to keep her really well and she was in terrible pain and they rushed her off for a scan and er she goes privately cos vernon, i think actually his is bupa that he's in, he joined when it first came out and she wrote to me and she said oh i'm, i just feel so lonely, there's nobody to talk to, i've got nobody to see or anything and she felt a bit cos she wasn't really that ill yeah. -but erm i think she could've done with a bit of company. +but erm i think she could've done with a bit of company. yeah erm there are pros and cons aren't there? local, quite a little way from the hospital. thank you. -she said that also now her cousin's staying with them so vernon was trying to take this cousin out to see the sort of surrounding district er +she said that also now her cousin's staying with them so vernon was trying to take this cousin out to see the sort of surrounding district er thank you. a bit so that er they couldn't thank you. -spend all the time with wynn. +spend all the time with wynn. thank you dear. are you gonna sort fred's cushion out then? yes it only wants stitching up, i said er really i could sit and do it now but i couldn't be bothered. that, that sounds mean doesn't it? -i just felt i couldn't be bothered to +i just felt i couldn't be bothered to well well there's no problem. to sit and do it . @@ -76708,14 +76641,14 @@ yes. she can't decide what colour to have can you? well that bluey-green does go. it does, if you can get anything else to match it. -well i'll see if i can get some candles that colour. +well i'll see if i can get some candles that colour. i can see you! out of the corner of your eye, yes i can! yes i can! you've been since tasha got married haven't you? yeah. yes. -well we must have had this cos when did this come, august? +well we must have had this cos when did this come, august? september? ah! end of, end of september i think. @@ -76727,53 +76660,53 @@ wasn't it? yes. it wasn't that the springs had gone it was just low when y when you had it wasn't it? keep still lucy. -oh and, well it must've been since we were at malton so we'd've had it, what, about four three or four years when we went to malton? +oh and, well it must've been since we were at malton so we'd've had it, what, about four three or four years when we went to malton? yo you had it in slay drive didn't you? no, not slay drive, at er paddock, the paddocks. -no we'd only had it three or four years when we went to malton and pam said then ooh if ever you get rid of this just let me know, it's just right for me cos she's only short isn't she? +no we'd only had it three or four years when we went to malton and pam said then ooh if ever you get rid of this just let me know, it's just right for me cos she's only short isn't she? she's only short you see. and she said so many chairs are so deep that my legs are dangling, she said whereas this one, it's so comfortable and i can get my feet on the floor. -erm and it must have been oh i don't know, two or three years ago must be at least two or three years ago when we were talking about, umm-ing and ah-ing, and she said well don't forget if ever you want to lose this just let me know. -erm, yes, right, no we shan't be losing it and of course when we decided, rang her up, oh great, so at last i can have my chair . +erm and it must have been oh i don't know, two or three years ago must be at least two or three years ago when we were talking about, umm-ing and ah-ing, and she said well don't forget if ever you want to lose this just let me know. +erm, yes, right, no we shan't be losing it and of course when we decided, rang her up, oh great, so at last i can have my chair . well she was gonna have the three piece suite actually but she lives in a bungalow and of course the settee was a six foot settee which they don't make now mm. and she found that she couldn't get the settee and the chairs in because, if you remember, they were sort of open armed, they, they were very wide. -so anyway she had the er settee and brought a friend with her with a well i think it was one of these range rovers that you can seat erm, you know, about seven and he dropped the seats down and got the settee in, i don't know how he managed it. -then i think the erm the chairs, malcolm phoned erm was it the homeless, was it shelter, one of those organizations and they came and picked them up. +so anyway she had the er settee and brought a friend with her with a well i think it was one of these range rovers that you can seat erm, you know, about seven and he dropped the seats down and got the settee in, i don't know how he managed it. +then i think the erm the chairs, malcolm phoned erm was it the homeless, was it shelter, one of those organizations and they came and picked them up. which, gonna say the chairs, they went to an organization didn't they? -it was samaritans, no. +it was samaritans, no. can't remember. or family first? family family first. -family first yes. +family first yes. family first. yeah. they brought a huge van and they were so pleased, these men that came for them. -but these felt so hard didn't it? +but these felt so hard didn't it? when we first had it, when we sat on it . but it's not as hard as one that we tried cos we wanted a firm one, she wanted something firm but nice and high. i like it. it is nice though, yes. but it, it is it's firm but not hard hard. -it felt it on the first morning when it came in and i sat on it, i thought well i'm sure it didn't feel like the one we tried in the shop didn't feel like this but +it felt it on the first morning when it came in and i sat on it, i thought well i'm sure it didn't feel like the one we tried in the shop didn't feel like this but and you can just put your head back and close your eyes and that's it. -we tried one yesterday in and vicki had to pull me out didn't you? -yeah you see, well when we were looking you see so many and you think ooh that looks nice, ooh that's nice but some of them are just so squadgy and well nice if you, if that's how you want to sit +we tried one yesterday in and vicki had to pull me out didn't you? +yeah you see, well when we were looking you see so many and you think ooh that looks nice, ooh that's nice but some of them are just so squadgy and well nice if you, if that's how you want to sit mm. -in a chair but we felt we wanted erm something with a bit more support. +in a chair but we felt we wanted erm something with a bit more support. it's alright for the young ones. yes. -it's alright when you're young to have a a sink-into one. +it's alright when you're young to have a a sink-into one. mm. -think it was last was it last monday when i was next door for coffee? +think it was last was it last monday when i was next door for coffee? i don't know what brought it up, norah said something about her, is she allowed on the settee now. -i said oh goodness yes, that's why they bought a leather one so she could go on it . +i said oh goodness yes, that's why they bought a leather one so she could go on it . well no, it wasn't really! -he'd got all the er information about it when he came and he said it was the best type of covering if you've got dogs or cats. +he'd got all the er information about it when he came and he said it was the best type of covering if you've got dogs or cats. she doesn't sit on the settee much does she? no. -i don't know, she does in the morning quite often, she sits +i don't know, she does in the morning quite often, she sits sits on her cushion. yeah. it took a long time before she'd sit in that chair. @@ -76781,80 +76714,80 @@ but at night time, if you're not in, she sits in the chair waiting mm with her head up waiting for you. mm. -it took a long time before she would sit in there though didn't it? +it took a long time before she would sit in there though didn't it? yes. mm mm mm can't you get comfy? tt oh dear. well she wants to go to sleep but she also wanted to know what is happening. nosy aren't you luce? -her eyes keep going like this when she heard the noise. +her eyes keep going like this when she heard the noise. what time is malcolm due home, seven? -long day isn't it, when he goes at half past seven in the morning. +long day isn't it, when he goes at half past seven in the morning. it is. where will he be now? -auckley evensong at auckley. +auckley evensong at auckley. i should think. think he was gonna come straight back. -mm it'll be about five to half past when he leaves i should think by the time he's cleared up . +mm it'll be about five to half past when he leaves i should think by the time he's cleared up . as long as the fog doesn't come down again. mm looking a bit misty. -i was wondering whether to go erm over to langley after collecting heidi. -half four there for five mm and then get back. -well want a tow out again when he gets -mm that's isn't it? +i was wondering whether to go erm over to langley after collecting heidi. +half four there for five mm and then get back. +well want a tow out again when he gets +mm that's isn't it? it looks as though it's stopped raining now. mm. -it was raining quite heavily when er i took heidi up. +it was raining quite heavily when er i took heidi up. but then it doesn't seem possible when you think back that it's been and gone. -been and gone and we're now getting ready for easter, all these and cards are coming into the shops and +been and gone and we're now getting ready for easter, all these and cards are coming into the shops and yeah. easter eggs are coming into the shops mm. yeah. ads have started for easter eggs. -yeah somebody i i can't remember who it was, i heard somebody i think on the radio or television talking about the, you know it was the beginning of january and they've already put er hot cross buns in the supermarkets. +yeah somebody i i can't remember who it was, i heard somebody i think on the radio or television talking about the, you know it was the beginning of january and they've already put er hot cross buns in the supermarkets. oh yes! oh where did i see hot cross buns? -oh marks and spencers when i buy those croissants they'd got hot cross buns on sale. +oh marks and spencers when i buy those croissants they'd got hot cross buns on sale. cos i, i couldn't find them to start when is, when is easter? march, april? april, it's late this year isn't it? that's right. i couldn't see them and i was and you had -to walk round the bread shelves twice and they were right on the bottom shelf when i eventually tracked them down and they had the hot cross buns on the shelves. +to walk round the bread shelves twice and they were right on the bottom shelf when i eventually tracked them down and they had the hot cross buns on the shelves. mm. well they had a lot of erm christmas stuff left anyway. yes. -cakes and biscuits tins didn't they? +cakes and biscuits tins didn't they? marks and sparks when we went. -yes they'd still got a lot of those tins left. +yes they'd still got a lot of those tins left. when did i go in? wednesday? tuesday? no when did i go in? probably wednesday. -they, they'd still got, anyway they'd still got a lot of tinned stuff +they, they'd still got, anyway they'd still got a lot of tinned stuff christmas stuff left, mm. -i think they must have over catered at christmas time. +i think they must have over catered at christmas time. asda don't seem to have much left over do they? no. -because quite often erm we've our birthday presents haven't we from the stuff we see in the sale after, the christmas stuff for the girls. -oh bought another tin of biscuits or whatever haven't we? +because quite often erm we've our birthday presents haven't we from the stuff we see in the sale after, the christmas stuff for the girls. +oh bought another tin of biscuits or whatever haven't we? or yes. haven't got anything. -and the children's things,have got quite a few for the haven't i? +and the children's things,have got quite a few for the haven't i? yeah -yeah bits and pieces, yeah. +yeah bits and pieces, yeah. for the children up there. -well we went in to asda this morning when did we go in,?we couldn't get into and it was empty. -in fact we were undecided whether to stop and do, do tomorrow's shopping weren't we ? +well we went in to asda this morning when did we go in,?we couldn't get into and it was empty. +in fact we were undecided whether to stop and do, do tomorrow's shopping weren't we ? but we de we did not did we? we we'd left her in the car actually. -yes, because we were on route for doggy walking weren't we? +yes, because we were on route for doggy walking weren't we? yes. but we couldn't, didn't walk too far today, it was so well it was so cold and @@ -76870,7 +76803,7 @@ well fourteen, ten o'clock? well it's about right, well it certainly wouldn't want to be much later. that's known as a diplomatic answer. -are you giving us a rendition? +are you giving us a rendition? oh. are you ready? could you just go to sleep? @@ -76882,14 +76815,14 @@ lady moon is watching from out the dark blue sky where did he get it from? the little stars are peeping -stars are peeping +stars are peeping to see if you are sleeping i thought they really were you know. what, peeping? yeah -close your eyes my darling no go to sleep +close your eyes my darling no go to sleep i can remember learning that -oh my mother erm told me it so it's been passed +oh my mother erm told me it so it's been passed my mother told me it. so just you remember it and pass it on, yeah. right come on then. @@ -76900,24 +76833,24 @@ by word of mouth, you don't perhaps perhaps her mother used to sing it to her did she? who? your mother's mother used to sing it to her. -might have done i don't know where she got it from i'm sure. -i sang that for hours on end to tasha. +might have done i don't know where she got it from i'm sure. +i sang that for hours on end to tasha. yeah it wouldn't work with her. not that i can sing but it was er an apology for singing. well perhaps that's why she didn't go to sleep . -come on then, let's get you off to -to walk wake her up. +come on then, let's get you off to +to walk wake her up. hmm! she'd never get there. come on. -oh well i think i'll, i'll be , i'll move my +oh well i think i'll, i'll be , i'll move my onto the road. oh it's raining. was it raining when you came fred? no. is it now? mm. -no because i, i decided i wouldn't put a coat on cos i was coming in the car. +no because i, i decided i wouldn't put a coat on cos i was coming in the car. is that let me er i can i'll get my glasses. it's come away from the zip er er i don't know whether it's er @@ -76935,43 +76868,43 @@ have you got a zip in? oh yes your zip's the other, the other side. ah yeah. yes, will do. -it wouldn't take long to do it now but i can't be bothered +it wouldn't take long to do it now but i can't be bothered no don't. being lazy. oh peace after heidi! -sh she was it the week, the new year's weekend? -she was away at malcolm's cousin's from the sunday till the wednesday evening and we hadn't realized how much noise she makes until she came home on the wednesday evening. -three lovely peaceful days then she comes in peace is shattered,oh dear . +sh she was it the week, the new year's weekend? +she was away at malcolm's cousin's from the sunday till the wednesday evening and we hadn't realized how much noise she makes until she came home on the wednesday evening. +three lovely peaceful days then she comes in peace is shattered,oh dear . she's so full of life, whereas tasha could be around and you'd yeah. you, you didn't know she was er here, she'd have a book or some yeah. -but the other night when heidi, when she was practising her song, she's so dramatic all the time going you know if only she'd do that when she's on the stage you know put erm action into her singing. +but the other night when heidi, when she was practising her song, she's so dramatic all the time going you know if only she'd do that when she's on the stage you know put erm action into her singing. when's it taking place? -erm it's the last saturday of half term so i should think it's about erm when's half term? -eighteenth on the monday i think so it'll be twenty erm it's the fifth is it when i, no it won't it's not as late as that is it eighteenth, nineteenth, twentieth, twenty one about the twenty second, something like that. +erm it's the last saturday of half term so i should think it's about erm when's half term? +eighteenth on the monday i think so it'll be twenty erm it's the fifth is it when i, no it won't it's not as late as that is it eighteenth, nineteenth, twentieth, twenty one about the twenty second, something like that. it's usually the last saturday of the half term because then she can have them during the week to practise. yeah. -well the, all the others go on a saturday but heidi said she would be in it if she didn't have to go on saturday, every saturday, because she goes riding you see at nine o'clock nine till four so er wendy said oh she'll have her up on a sunday afternoon the two or three principals. -and this erm play we went to in the haymarket, it was, it was difficult for children to understand but er the scenery, the way they use the scenery, it was absolutely fantastic, you know, to make the of a desert and a +well the, all the others go on a saturday but heidi said she would be in it if she didn't have to go on saturday, every saturday, because she goes riding you see at nine o'clock nine till four so er wendy said oh she'll have her up on a sunday afternoon the two or three principals. +and this erm play we went to in the haymarket, it was, it was difficult for children to understand but er the scenery, the way they use the scenery, it was absolutely fantastic, you know, to make the of a desert and a yeah. -all the satellites hanging down it was very good the way it had all been done in, in that respect but what i found was the first bit was very boring,i found but when it got going a bit it was better but the whole moral of the story was that nowhere is perfect to live but it's hard for y young children like this to +all the satellites hanging down it was very good the way it had all been done in, in that respect but what i found was the first bit was very boring,i found but when it got going a bit it was better but the whole moral of the story was that nowhere is perfect to live but it's hard for y young children like this to yeah. yeah quite. to know what it's all about, yeah. quite. -gosh that was quick -well straight up, wendy was there so straight up. +gosh that was quick +well straight up, wendy was there so straight up. oh, it makes a change that wendy's there on time. she's a teacher at the school, you know, wendy . i don't know whether you've come across her at all. that's how er heidi started going to her drama classes. -er no i was trying t do you know i can't remember er mrs 's christian name. +er no i was trying t do you know i can't remember er mrs 's christian name. irene. irene. yeah, i know it as well as anything but er er at times you just -er er i don't know why i was thinking about it yesterday for some reason, oh probably because i got erm the official invite to the er thing on friday. +er er i don't know why i was thinking about it yesterday for some reason, oh probably because i got erm the official invite to the er thing on friday. another cup of coffee fred? er no thank you. would you like another cup? @@ -76980,13 +76913,13 @@ is wendy bringing her back? er which is wendy? wh what's she look like? -erm well i'd say it's curly sort of oh it's dark hair, curlyish +erm well i'd say it's curly sort of oh it's dark hair, curlyish mm. with glasses. and she never stops talking. never stops talking. takes the younger age, reception age er -what was the name of the teacher tended to be on the slim side, longish hair, at the do at christmas? +what was the name of the teacher tended to be on the slim side, longish hair, at the do at christmas? she was with the children er er, looking at the stage, to the left. forty fiveish, fifty? was she wearing trousers? @@ -76994,7 +76927,7 @@ can't remember. kay? she was with the children. don't kn tell me the er if you tell me the -kay +kay in fact she s maybe i don't know her. she spoke to me as er er as though @@ -77002,7 +76935,7 @@ no lucy. as though she'd known me, you know, but i couldn't even remember seeing her before. don't think it was kay. no, trying to think who else was there. -well it wouldn't be heather cos she's dark and short and young. +well it wouldn't be heather cos she's dark and short and young. small? no. well @@ -77011,7 +76944,7 @@ not not particularly small is it er i, i mean i ca i'm i, i've no idea. -i would have said she was medium height slim build, possibly +i would have said she was medium height slim build, possibly it's the only one i can think of that could and er remember seeing somebody in trousers. @@ -77021,7 +76954,7 @@ that was kay wasn't it? i, i don't i don't know kay. ch what was the surname again? , may have been her. -the funny thing was i was asking irene who she was because i couldn't remember seeing her and then, later on, she came up to me as though she'd known me, you know ? +the funny thing was i was asking irene who she was because i couldn't remember seeing her and then, later on, she came up to me as though she'd known me, you know ? yeah. it was very good wasn't it? the er @@ -77040,32 +76973,32 @@ a cheese. what was that called? crumple stilton or something wasn't it? the parents at the school all get together and do a pantomime for the children. -erm i think they, i think they do that during the day and then in the evening it's on for anybody else who wants to see that take-off on cheeses. +erm i think they, i think they do that during the day and then in the evening it's on for anybody else who wants to see that take-off on cheeses. that was quite good. yeah we went to see racing demons at the beginning of december didn't we? cos we went with margaret and roger. mm i suppose, yes. mm. -it was quite quite good, at the theatre royal. +it was quite quite good, at the theatre royal. oh we got sidetracked er erm about erm tt blind date didn't i? -i, i said i was sp you were speaking to an expert er so we went off at a blind tangent. -but they, they er i mean you don't have to be too bright to realize that the questions have been given them and the answers have g been given them. +i, i said i was sp you were speaking to an expert er so we went off at a blind tangent. +but they, they er i mean you don't have to be too bright to realize that the questions have been given them and the answers have g been given them. well somebody, it was hazel wasn't it? mm. -she erm said well of course they know the questions beforehand and the, the answers are always written out for them erm but i, i wouldn't have thought all the answers because some of them come over quite spontaneously. -yeah, yeah bu yeah, but they are rehearsing for two and a half hours . -they don't see the person they don't see the er the they're kept separate but erm the they are rehearsed. +she erm said well of course they know the questions beforehand and the, the answers are always written out for them erm but i, i wouldn't have thought all the answers because some of them come over quite spontaneously. +yeah, yeah bu yeah, but they are rehearsing for two and a half hours . +they don't see the person they don't see the er the they're kept separate but erm the they are rehearsed. so er,y you know. -an an and i could erm i, i erm her name was barbara erm actually it was rather interesting there a oh have you remembered the name of that club? +an an and i could erm i, i erm her name was barbara erm actually it was rather interesting there a oh have you remembered the name of that club? no. i would know it if you told me. -well i can see it on +well i can see it on mm. yeah. a anyway it doesn't matter. -er but she's a member and we went there for lunch and it was the ideal place, you know, cos there weren't any, many people around and so we had quite a nice lunch and erm whilst we were there we then had a drink in er in the bar and erm her the, the secretary of the club, a lady, came to talk to barbara and she mentioned that she'd seen her on blind date you see, and so i got to know more by listening to them two speaking er and er that's where i learnt about er that. +er but she's a member and we went there for lunch and it was the ideal place, you know, cos there weren't any, many people around and so we had quite a nice lunch and erm whilst we were there we then had a drink in er in the bar and erm her the, the secretary of the club, a lady, came to talk to barbara and she mentioned that she'd seen her on blind date you see, and so i got to know more by listening to them two speaking er and er that's where i learnt about er that. erm -well some of the questions you think erm you think erm you know, aren't they a bit well way out or what made them ask that. +well some of the questions you think erm you think erm you know, aren't they a bit well way out or what made them ask that. well i've said all along yeah and so and some of the answers. how do they think up those answers in such a @@ -77073,7 +77006,7 @@ yeah. short time but er yeah, yeah yeah. now we know. -it takes some of the erm tt oh what's, what's the word? +it takes some of the erm tt oh what's, what's the word? when er no. when you, when you think that they're racking their brains and it @@ -77081,32 +77014,32 @@ yeah. seems far more interesting than knowing that they've rehearsed for hours on end. i think sometimes the odd er the odd times people are putting a bit more -yeah,a and in fact in the programme i th the one that barbara was in, i can remember the er, as it happens, i, i was out er when that programme came on and i taped it so i s i, i've still got that particular programme, and the lady at the end er on one of her questions she'd obviously forgotten what she was going to say er and sort of made something up and er she turned to er as they were just panning away from her, she turned to her next door neighbour and more or less said i forgot what i was going to say, you know. +yeah,a and in fact in the programme i th the one that barbara was in, i can remember the er, as it happens, i, i was out er when that programme came on and i taped it so i s i, i've still got that particular programme, and the lady at the end er on one of her questions she'd obviously forgotten what she was going to say er and sort of made something up and er she turned to er as they were just panning away from her, she turned to her next door neighbour and more or less said i forgot what i was going to say, you know. mm. mm. cos they don't have any notes or anything do they? so no, no, no, oh no i mean er -it's supposed to look natural -yes, yes a and erm oh yes i mean some of the things that, especially the er the more senior people now th those people on the erm programme last night, did you see it? +it's supposed to look natural +yes, yes a and erm oh yes i mean some of the things that, especially the er the more senior people now th those people on the erm programme last night, did you see it? yeah. yeah. yeah, clarence. -yeah er they, they wouldn't have come out with some of the things about er i can't remember what was said that erm you know er wouldn't mind meeting you in the bath or +yeah er they, they wouldn't have come out with some of the things about er i can't remember what was said that erm you know er wouldn't mind meeting you in the bath or yes or under the shower, yes. we w that, that, that s you know that s yeah, that sort of thing erm i think they are a bit er yes. -i suppose that's just +i suppose that's just i mean it, oh yes i mean actually make it lighthearted. actually erm the, the er it is a very good, from the television people's point of view, it is an excellent programme because i y people are interested aren't they? yes. a and furthermore they're interested in, in the way out somebody and that, in fact i think looks a little bit different. -they sometimes manipulate the questions so that the person picks -to make them +they sometimes manipulate the questions so that the person picks +to make them the right one that they would like to be picked . do you know what i mean? yeah yeah, could be. @@ -77126,35 +77059,35 @@ and she kept saying how childish he was. yeah, oh it was predictable that wasn't go to work. he was wasn't he? very immature. -how far in front of us seeing it is it erm recorded? -erm i think barbara, i think it was july when she did it. +how far in front of us seeing it is it erm recorded? +erm i think barbara, i think it was july when she did it. so that would be, and that would be about either november or december wouldn't it? yes. cos i suppose they do so many recordings and then screen them don't they? yeah, yeah sort of for the series and then, then there's a break. -well cilla black's one of the highest paid erm presenters isn't she? +well cilla black's one of the highest paid erm presenters isn't she? on the television. mm. esther rantzen for the b b c and cilla black i think on the a t v. -the erm did you see the one where this was er er for the more senior ones again, er about the fifty mark, where the fellow was a hypnotist and a very nice fella +the erm did you see the one where this was er er for the more senior ones again, er about the fifty mark, where the fellow was a hypnotist and a very nice fella i can remember now you say hypnotist but i can't remember what happened in the programme but i can remember him. and er she was er the one he because they were on about, in the answers, about him hypnotizing them, one of them was especially. -oh, and the, the trip they had was to er the middle east, erm in the desert +oh, and the, the trip they had was to er the middle east, erm in the desert i didn't see that. oh you didn't see it? ah. -oh well er what i was going to say is that er i thought i'd summed the person up that he'd selected and i, i thought oh she i er it's not gonna be easy for him, and it wasn't, you know, she was a bit of a bit of a so and so i think really. +oh well er what i was going to say is that er i thought i'd summed the person up that he'd selected and i, i thought oh she i er it's not gonna be easy for him, and it wasn't, you know, she was a bit of a bit of a so and so i think really. full of her own importance, you know? yeah. -i often wonder if, when they've selected a person say right, i'll choose number three, when number one goes by and number two goes by afterwards if they think oh you know, no, i would have preferred number two. +i often wonder if, when they've selected a person say right, i'll choose number three, when number one goes by and number two goes by afterwards if they think oh you know, no, i would have preferred number two. oh they would, i'm sure a lot of that's done. well do they wonder if they have a, a, a chance of meeting up with them. afterwards. -well i heard, i, i wondered about that, and erm i think they must have contact because erm one of them who came back bearing in mind there must be a, a, a, about a three month gap, had had a proposal from one of the persons +well i heard, i, i wondered about that, and erm i think they must have contact because erm one of them who came back bearing in mind there must be a, a, a, about a three month gap, had had a proposal from one of the persons one of the others. who er she didn't pick. oh. @@ -77162,30 +77095,30 @@ mm. but sometimes you can see ooh that one and that one who just go together and they don't choose each other yeah, yeah. and then when they -and you're sitting here going oh choose so and so, you choose him don't you ? +and you're sitting here going oh choose so and so, you choose him don't you ? yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah -yeah +yeah but, but from the programme producer's point of view, i should think he, he doesn't want too many that are okay, he wants the er -but it would be nice to get +but it would be nice to get yeah yeah, yeah. -i mean just lately they seem to they really slang each other don't they? +i mean just lately they seem to they really slang each other don't they? mm, mm. -i of er, was it last week erm, yeah it must have been where the the coloured lad +i of er, was it last week erm, yeah it must have been where the the coloured lad yes. cos he was back last night wasn't he? -two white lads and a coloured one and er it was a white girl and i often wonder if that's a good idea er whether they should all be the same colour. -oh i think so because it must be an awful shock for the girl to go round the screen and they're faced with a coloured although they don't bother so much these days do they? +two white lads and a coloured one and er it was a white girl and i often wonder if that's a good idea er whether they should all be the same colour. +oh i think so because it must be an awful shock for the girl to go round the screen and they're faced with a coloured although they don't bother so much these days do they? no. she said he wasn't ugly enough didn't she? yeah. -but a few well i was gonna say a few weeks ago, it might be longer than that, there was that very large coloured girl that was on +but a few well i was gonna say a few weeks ago, it might be longer than that, there was that very large coloured girl that was on that's a few years ago, never mind a few months. -no er there was one not so very i'm sure not so ve not, not years ago but it was -yo do you there was one very bonny lass and she was on the er, they, they had erm composite programme the other the other week and she was on that again. +no er there was one not so very i'm sure not so ve not, not years ago but it was +yo do you there was one very bonny lass and she was on the er, they, they had erm composite programme the other the other week and she was on that again. oh is that where i saw her? maybe. -i mean fancy being erm confronted with somebody like like that. -and in and actually in that programme it was a nottingham fella who er was confronted with her +i mean fancy being erm confronted with somebody like like that. +and in and actually in that programme it was a nottingham fella who er was confronted with her was it? yeah. so, yeah, she's a real extrovert. @@ -77195,19 +77128,19 @@ she was big but she was wasn't coloured was she? no, but she ran a pub or something so she was . somewhere, yes. -managed a pub and she was all all over. +managed a pub and she was all all over. yeah. -but one, one of the coloured chaps where tasha works said he was he'd been to one of these blind dates, he was on but we haven't come across him yet have we? +but one, one of the coloured chaps where tasha works said he was he'd been to one of these blind dates, he was on but we haven't come across him yet have we? but he only said that a little while ago didn't he? so if there's a three month yes, he might be gap. -actually erm barbara took, went with her niece to, for the audition and er what i'm not sure of,a a and barbara got on and her niece didn't, what i'm not sure is whether, when she went down, she was thinking that, of sort of er an audition for herself or whether they approached her because apparently they, they don't get too many of the senior people. +actually erm barbara took, went with her niece to, for the audition and er what i'm not sure of,a a and barbara got on and her niece didn't, what i'm not sure is whether, when she went down, she was thinking that, of sort of er an audition for herself or whether they approached her because apparently they, they don't get too many of the senior people. oh. -no it's, it's not often really that you get a senior -in fact barbara was saying to me er wh why don't you er but it's not the thing that i'd want to do. +no it's, it's not often really that you get a senior +in fact barbara was saying to me er wh why don't you er but it's not the thing that i'd want to do. nice to have them now and again. -mm +mm did you see erm wendy? no she, i think she was coming in and out cos the car door was open. so you don't know what time heidi's @@ -77216,50 +77149,50 @@ half past four. oh she's and erm late this week is she? -well she was only early was it last week or the week before? +well she was only early was it last week or the week before? whenever she was early because there was a christening erm on and they were using the hall afterwards. and you know the door they go in mm. -to er that little side door? +to er that little side door? well there were all blue and white balloons hanging up in the hall and by the door just these rows and rows of blue balloons and the door opens outwards and wendy was saying how was she going to get the door open without all these balloons going. coming out, yeah. -so no doubt it was a boy that was being christened. +so no doubt it was a boy that was being christened. i would think so, blue, yeah. -so they decided that once the christening party was in the hall which was gonna be three o'clock, they didn't stand much chance of erm +so they decided that once the christening party was in the hall which was gonna be three o'clock, they didn't stand much chance of erm doing anything. -no, so that's why they had it two till three that day. +no, so that's why they had it two till three that day. but it's now back to half past two till half past four and whoever's playing the dame arrived just in front of us oh. so he's there. tt what did malcolm say? -it was five five weeks, four weeks on friday till half term? +it was five five weeks, four weeks on friday till half term? mm. -four weeks on friday, that's all she's got to +four weeks on friday, that's all she's got to yeah sort it out. -oh if i go into town perhaps tuesday to get her tape try to get her tape +oh if i go into town perhaps tuesday to get her tape try to get her tape well she said it's in h v m. -erm i'll perhaps give wind , what are they called? +erm i'll perhaps give wind , what are they called? windblowers a ring and see if they've got for the music. mm. -i could actually tomorrow to see if it's in the library couldn't i? +i could actually tomorrow to see if it's in the library couldn't i? mm and then just photocopy it. oh you're not allowed to are you? well they won't know will they? -oh well yeah i'd have to bring it home to have it done. +oh well yeah i'd have to bring it home to have it done. breaking the law, isn't it? -well i think it's only if you want to do er you know like doing it for some, something or other isn't it? -no when used to get music for the women's own choir to do for mothering sunday, she used to say keep quiet where you got the copy from. +well i think it's only if you want to do er you know like doing it for some, something or other isn't it? +no when used to get music for the women's own choir to do for mothering sunday, she used to say keep quiet where you got the copy from. mm, i think it's when you want a lot. -or say if you've got a ten or eleven running off. +or say if you've got a ten or eleven running off. anyway i'll go in and steal it. we walked past that place didn't we? h v m? mm. -we were on our way down to but we weren't actually sure +we were on our way down to but we weren't actually sure what it was called. mm, so it wouldn't have been any good going in. although you'd of probably recognized it. @@ -77272,31 +77205,31 @@ why? get to france for a pound. oh yes i saw it on the er box, mm. she's keeping, keep the coupons for malcolm to send off haven't you? -you collect er well all you've really gotta do is buy the paper monday to friday collect four coupons +you collect er well all you've really gotta do is buy the paper monday to friday collect four coupons is that empty? mm. better move it. -collect four coupons and each set of coupons allows you to claim up to four tickets and it was a pound a ticket wasn't it? +collect four coupons and each set of coupons allows you to claim up to four tickets and it was a pound a ticket wasn't it? mm. -a pound a ticket, and you could go, there were three routes you could go and any time up to march the twenty eighth +a pound a ticket, and you could go, there were three routes you could go and any time up to march the twenty eighth oh. -and that was your fare from, you could go, dover to calais +and that was your fare from, you could go, dover to calais mm. newhaven to dieppe or dunno what the other one was. -way down, was it southampton somewhere?and that was your ferry fare over for the day. +way down, was it southampton somewhere?and that was your ferry fare over for the day. so erm we thought we might go for a day didn't we? might do yes, the end of march. -he'd, i think he would have liked to have gone the four hour trip over i didn't think you'd like that. -well that one was the most restrictive because that you had to go, you could go any time between was it eight and eleven in the morning, but you could only come back either something like quarter to five, quarter to, no quarter to six was it? +he'd, i think he would have liked to have gone the four hour trip over i didn't think you'd like that. +well that one was the most restrictive because that you had to go, you could go any time between was it eight and eleven in the morning, but you could only come back either something like quarter to five, quarter to, no quarter to six was it? or quarter to two in the morning, there were only two you could come back on. -whereas the dover to calais you can go any time between this time and that time and come back any time between this time and that time. +whereas the dover to calais you can go any time between this time and that time and come back any time between this time and that time. yeah. yeah. -but going to dieppe it docks on the quay or whatever is sort of right in the heart of erm the town so once you are off the ferry, you're there. -well i suppose it depends what you want to go for. -well he, he was asking me which i'd prefer and i said i think you ought to consider vicki not me on the crossing. -well if you go if you stay till quarter to one in the morning how can you be sure there's gonna be anything open to +but going to dieppe it docks on the quay or whatever is sort of right in the heart of erm the town so once you are off the ferry, you're there. +well i suppose it depends what you want to go for. +well he, he was asking me which i'd prefer and i said i think you ought to consider vicki not me on the crossing. +well if you go if you stay till quarter to one in the morning how can you be sure there's gonna be anything open to to do. well that's it. to do. @@ -77305,27 +77238,27 @@ paris nightclub. if you could come back before stripping club. if you come back on the one before you've only got about three and a half hours so you've got four hours on the ferry, three and a half there and then four hours back again haven't you? -anyway we'll see what +anyway we'll see what well vicki's not very keen on crossing the water are you? no. -so i thought the shorter journey would be better. +so i thought the shorter journey would be better. and if we don't go we've only lost a pound ticket. so we'll see. -snow that day. +snow that day. well i think they're going to repeat the offer aren't they? they're supposed to be doing it again. well we, at the erm school play we were talking to, who did you say, mr ? mm. -and he was telling, you know erm it was the er christmas thing, he was t saying he'd been to france on a cheap ticket hadn't he? +and he was telling, you know erm it was the er christmas thing, he was t saying he'd been to france on a cheap ticket hadn't he? through the daily ma oh express. the express wasn't it? or the mail? daily express. it was one of the better papers. -i mean the sun is absolutely i mean i did tr have a go at reading the first one and i thought well i can't read this trash any longer, think i read two pages. +i mean the sun is absolutely i mean i did tr have a go at reading the first one and i thought well i can't read this trash any longer, think i read two pages. yes what did he, how much did it cost him? fifteen pounds did he say? -they had, they went for the weekend didn't they? +they had, they went for the weekend didn't they? no not for the, i don't think they went for the day. think it was. was it? @@ -77334,28 +77267,28 @@ but they, they sailed sort of first thing in the morning and didn't come back ti night. night. thought it was only a day, and they were talking to somebody else on the ferry who said they did this trip every year didn't they? -and what good value it was, it was only costing them hundred and +and what good value it was, it was only costing them hundred and well i really can't remember the figures. oh i thought he said a hundred and something pounds didn't he? mm. and it had cost them about fifteen or something. -mr said he didn't have the heart to tell them how, you might think it's good value but he didn't when he'd only paid fifteen pounds fifty a ticket. +mr said he didn't have the heart to tell them how, you might think it's good value but he didn't when he'd only paid fifteen pounds fifty a ticket. have you got any more ideas for holidays or? not erm i've sort of got several things that i'd like to do in your mind that you'd like to do. i'm ever so disappointed that i've not been to yugoslavia, i wanted to go to dubrovnik, you know, it's been on the sort of list but i've never got round to it. it's a bit late now till things are sorted out. yeah i'm afraid afraid so, and of course it's been damaged anyway now. -egypt er is on my list. +egypt er is on my list. oh up the nile? yeah. mind you don't get in with the carry on crew. -erm yes there er, there are i was talking to er tt do you know june ? -she's she's about my age i should think and she sometimes, once a month she does the coffee wears glasses +erm yes there er, there are i was talking to er tt do you know june ? +she's she's about my age i should think and she sometimes, once a month she does the coffee wears glasses i'd perhaps recognize, yes tell by -anyw anyway erm i was talking to her on the bus not too long ago and, i don't know how it came up but she was talking about egypt, and er she'd been apparently oh some a year or two back cos she did a, an evening course on egyptology and she went through that, but she was telling me about a friend or friends of hers who'd been er and told me about the trip. +anyw anyway erm i was talking to her on the bus not too long ago and, i don't know how it came up but she was talking about egypt, and er she'd been apparently oh some a year or two back cos she did a, an evening course on egyptology and she went through that, but she was telling me about a friend or friends of hers who'd been er and told me about the trip. erm then she put, he had done a newsletter to his friends which is beautifully done er and had sent her one and so she put it through my door so it was quite interesting. -on that holiday they er they'd also been to cairo as well as, and i mean some of the erm trips erm are they go to luxor and you board a erm er the ship from luxor to aswan and you don't get to cairo and i think if you're going to egypt you really want to go to cairo +on that holiday they er they'd also been to cairo as well as, and i mean some of the erm trips erm are they go to luxor and you board a erm er the ship from luxor to aswan and you don't get to cairo and i think if you're going to egypt you really want to go to cairo as well as. oh yes, certainly. er you know i, i, it's, it's on my list. @@ -77363,7 +77296,7 @@ it's mulling around up there. now if you want to know what i'd like, which holiday i'd like and i probably will never do it, mind you i ne i need the person to go with because definitely you need a person to go with, i'd love to go on the orient express. you know i was wai i thought oh i wonder if it'll be the orient express, yeah. mm on the train. -but er yeah erm but you er but it's so expensive erm to do it properly +but er yeah erm but you er but it's so expensive erm to do it properly mm. er to go right the way through to venice and you've got to stay at venice for at least a couple of days so oh and it, er, i think er, you're talking about two thousand at least just for that four days, you know? mm. @@ -77371,33 +77304,33 @@ so do that when we go, we shan't go that way to venice when we go shall we? so it's the sort of thing where if somebody said to me right you can have whatever holiday you like -no, no, no, no you could only do that, i want you to go on the orient express, yes. -if they said you can go anywhere you like it would, that would cause i would, i would have difficulty deciding. +no, no, no, no you could only do that, i want you to go on the orient express, yes. +if they said you can go anywhere you like it would, that would cause i would, i would have difficulty deciding. be debating which yeah. yeah i've got another trip which i saw on telly, again which i shall never do i think, er which sounded pretty good, you flew, flew to er oh pardon me. calgary, took a train over the rockies to vancouver and then a cruise ship up to alaska and, and back via vancouver and you saw the erm ice floes er dropping off and er er seals and that, dolphins and that and it looked pretty good. -but then you flew back from calgary i think or it may have been vancouver. +but then you flew back from calgary i think or it may have been vancouver. now that was er that looked worthwhile. that was about fifteen hundred two or three years ago so that'll be two thousand at least. a lot of money when you think it's just for, a holiday's just for, you know, short times. yeah, yeah. -yes i mean er when i s er you know when i was on the q e two and was chatting with a fella and er he, they'd been, he'd obviously been cruising before and was on this cruise and er they were going on the er another cunard ship a few months later, and it turned out that he was a hotelier who'd bought a hotel in swanage some years ago, i think he'd had about seven bedrooms when he bought it and he gradually extended it, i forget how many he did tell me, and then he had a bit of a heart er attack and er his doctor told him to, you know, well if i were you i'd just pack in your job which he did and that was about fifteen years ago he was i dunno if he was eighty or he was approaching eighty if he wasn't and was in pretty good form, he was dancing, and er, you know, i mean there money's no object. -er the er the lady he was a widower and his, er his f er he was with a lady who was a widow and erm i know for a fact that she'd not spent a penny, she hadn't p you know for a you know, of the trip or, or he just wouldn't let her, i mean, i mean you, you've got to have some money haven't you to to keep +yes i mean er when i s er you know when i was on the q e two and was chatting with a fella and er he, they'd been, he'd obviously been cruising before and was on this cruise and er they were going on the er another cunard ship a few months later, and it turned out that he was a hotelier who'd bought a hotel in swanage some years ago, i think he'd had about seven bedrooms when he bought it and he gradually extended it, i forget how many he did tell me, and then he had a bit of a heart er attack and er his doctor told him to, you know, well if i were you i'd just pack in your job which he did and that was about fifteen years ago he was i dunno if he was eighty or he was approaching eighty if he wasn't and was in pretty good form, he was dancing, and er, you know, i mean there money's no object. +er the er the lady he was a widower and his, er his f er he was with a lady who was a widow and erm i know for a fact that she'd not spent a penny, she hadn't p you know for a you know, of the trip or, or he just wouldn't let her, i mean, i mean you, you've got to have some money haven't you to to keep to keep going like that? hmm. well i'll have to keep doing these pools. that's right. well i keep sending these coupons off that come through the door -en entering competitions but i don't get anything . +en entering competitions but i don't get anything . how are you? i'm alright. good. have we got a physio in? no. no ! -er not, it's not serious, i, i'd just like some independent er er info, you know? +er not, it's not serious, i, i'd just like some independent er er info, you know? yes, yes. mm. er no we often don't have anybody in er physio. @@ -77409,18 +77342,18 @@ i still, i s it's still swollen and i still haven't got my full grip, i'm seeing mm. but er i'm having physio er privately you know on, on the thing mm. -but i'm, i'm rapidly running out of the allowance erm she appears to be satisfied +but i'm, i'm rapidly running out of the allowance erm she appears to be satisfied right. -but obviously i, i'd like somebody else's opinion really +but obviously i, i'd like somebody else's opinion really yes, yes. -and i'm seeing the surgeon today and erm and i met somebody the other day who'd had it done and his fingers weren't affected, you know, so i mean it's just the luck of the draw i think. -however i thought well i'm, i'm er +and i'm seeing the surgeon today and erm and i met somebody the other day who'd had it done and his fingers weren't affected, you know, so i mean it's just the luck of the draw i think. +however i thought well i'm, i'm er mind you it does look better than when i saw it last. oh yes it is. isn't it? oh it is, it is, oh it is yeah it's improving, yeah. -it's not er although the, the inflammation it was not good at the weekend. +it's not er although the, the inflammation it was not good at the weekend. oh. perhaps you're doing too much fred and not resting it. say again? @@ -77429,21 +77362,21 @@ well no i'm not i mean this is it erm you don't know er how much to do no. and how much not to do really. oh. -oh right hope the surgeon might be able to provide you with -mm well i, i mean really i want him to tell me i mean she implies that i'm gonna get, you know, back fully back to normal but i i'm beginning to wonder myself +oh right hope the surgeon might be able to provide you with +mm well i, i mean really i want him to tell me i mean she implies that i'm gonna get, you know, back fully back to normal but i i'm beginning to wonder myself mm. er i, i mean i really can't doubt her but erm, you know, you, how you have hunches. yeah. -i feel as though i'm on a plateau at the moment although sh sh when i said that she said well i it is getting better so the +i feel as though i'm on a plateau at the moment although sh sh when i said that she said well i it is getting better so the there's a physio. -trish i've got a patient for you trish if you've got five minutes to spare please. +trish i've got a patient for you trish if you've got five minutes to spare please. oh dear. er he's ever such a nice patient though it's not serious. oh great! he's ever such a nice patient. you didn't have the pleasure of meeting him when he used to work here. -this is fred, he used to, he used to work in +this is fred, he used to, he used to work in hello. contracture. is that what you've got? @@ -77451,12 +77384,12 @@ opera no, i've had it. he's had an operation. mm. no no, i won't say that. -operation the sixth of december on the little finger er and my other fingers swelled up +operation the sixth of december on the little finger er and my other fingers swelled up mm. and are still not down. really what i'm wanting you to tell me is how normal is that and -to be honest i'm not, i erm not quite sure really. -i mean have, have you been back to, to, to clinic following +to be honest i'm not, i erm not quite sure really. +i mean have, have you been back to, to, to clinic following oh yeah yeah yeah. well i had it done on the insurance you know right yeah. @@ -77465,12 +77398,12 @@ are you? you but of course he's the one who's done it mm. -so even if he sort of made a, a bodge, i'm not suggesting he has he's not likely to, to say yes that's because of that. +so even if he sort of made a, a bodge, i'm not suggesting he has he's not likely to, to say yes that's because of that. so is the finger better then? i mean -well erm it, oh well i mean it is better in as much as it was sticking out like that +well erm it, oh well i mean it is better in as much as it was sticking out like that mm. -and i can whereas i couldn't get a glove on now i can now. +and i can whereas i couldn't get a glove on now i can now. right. i haven't got all that much movement. yeah. @@ -77481,12 +77414,12 @@ i think yeah quite. undoubtedly i think you need to ask him, you know, that erm just say to him that you're very concerned about the fingers yeah, yeah. -and, you know, what can, what can do about it. +and, you know, what can, what can do about it. now the physio, i'm i'm having the, i'm having physio yeah. and i was just saying to yvonne er i'm rapidly running out of my physio allowance, you know, because of the amount that yes, yeah, yeah perhaps you're not -she's doing erm and she seems to imply that er it will get back to normal but, you know, i i just, i'm not er happy about that myself. +she's doing erm and she seems to imply that er it will get back to normal but, you know, i i just, i'm not er happy about that myself. well i would have thought so but really erm i think you just need to sort of i, i, i mean it really has been swollen and er inflamed so it's down a bit? @@ -77495,7 +77428,7 @@ yeah. oh yes, yes yes yes. oh yes and i had er pressure sores, you know? mm. -yeah, no i think you just need to be frank with him and you know say you're happy about the finger, fine, but just, you know, +yeah, no i think you just need to be frank with him and you know say you're happy about the finger, fine, but just, you know, i'm more concerned about these yeah. because these were okay @@ -77507,39 +77440,39 @@ you're really worried about these yeah. and, and just see, sort of see what, what he says really mm. -and if you're having physio that's, that's good but like you say +and if you're having physio that's, that's good but like you say no i mean i, i don't know how much. -it, the bill was hundred and thirty eight quid last month and it'll be more than that this month and i think my yearly allowance is about three hundred, you know, so i'm rapidly running out. +it, the bill was hundred and thirty eight quid last month and it'll be more than that this month and i think my yearly allowance is about three hundred, you know, so i'm rapidly running out. anyway thanks for your, no no sorry i can't really sort of say i must admit i couldn't really see why they should be like that really cos i mean it is a bit puzzling cos if they've only just done anything, they've only been tampering with this finger so the, the, the the other thing er i, i have the feeling in this finger of, not pins and needles, but just a slight difference he's obviously cut some nerves i should imagine. but er you know i'm, as i say, i'm more concerned about those how annoying. -but i must admit i haven't seen an i haven't seen, you know it's years well it'll be years +but i must admit i haven't seen an i haven't seen, you know it's years well it'll be years you see what what i'm up against is, i mean the physio who, who, i mean she's private of course mm. -she is one wanting er referrals from mr so she's not going to say oh well you know there's something wrong there, you know? +she is one wanting er referrals from mr so she's not going to say oh well you know there's something wrong there, you know? mm. is she? no. you see. -er er and er i'm not saying that there is necessarily, but even if there was she's not going to because she wants to preserve her, her referrals. -don't want me +er er and er i'm not saying that there is necessarily, but even if there was she's not going to because she wants to preserve her, her referrals. +don't want me well i'd just say you're really worried about these fingers yeah. -and that, you know,and you just say, you know you know, what, what are you gonna do about this +and that, you know,and you just say, you know you know, what, what are you gonna do about this yeah. you know, should it, should it actually be like yeah. then if you get some answers then you can always say to him well this is what, you know, this is what -yeah well i mean i saw him what, either a fortnight or three weeks ago, three, probably about three weeks, and at that stage my plaster that i'd had on after the er op had only been off perhaps a fortnight, it was christmas intervening you see, so he had every sort of right to say, you know, oh well yeah it should be okay, yeah. +yeah well i mean i saw him what, either a fortnight or three weeks ago, three, probably about three weeks, and at that stage my plaster that i'd had on after the er op had only been off perhaps a fortnight, it was christmas intervening you see, so he had every sort of right to say, you know, oh well yeah it should be okay, yeah. think the only thing you can do is as i say be honest and say that, you know, you're very worried about your fingers yeah, yeah. i know it's not a lot of help but erm no well you, you -i'm, but i wouldn't, i wouldn't be able to say whether it was or not so +i'm, but i wouldn't, i wouldn't be able to say whether it was or not so yeah, yeah, well that, that's fine, that's all i wanted to know, i'm pleased you popped in,i it -sorry +sorry yes but i it's sort of erm even if it's only to give you the confidence you know yeah. @@ -77547,12 +77480,12 @@ to sort of yeah. it's awful i , i'm the same if i'm going to see a doctor, i think ooh well when you've got -you forget what you were going to ask -yes but when you've been, when you've been in the work as i have over many years with doctors, i was a mental welfare officer so i mean i know er, you know, you can be fobbed off. +you forget what you were going to ask +yes but when you've been, when you've been in the work as i have over many years with doctors, i was a mental welfare officer so i mean i know er, you know, you can be fobbed off. that's right. no go for it. right. -well i hope it is but they're not good are they? +well i hope it is but they're not good are they? well if that,th yes i'm, yeah, yeah i mean i can drive but that's it? @@ -77565,7 +77498,7 @@ okay, bye. oh well that was useful. is eileen in? yeah. -could i get i'd like to get an irish accent on the where would she be? +could i get i'd like to get an irish accent on the where would she be? i'll er go and counsel yvonne where she is and see if she's tell her, yes, yes. they said to me now do you know anybody who's got a clear accent or anything like that so i thought yes, i'll er, i'll, i'll pop in. @@ -77594,7 +77527,7 @@ i wish i could. he cut his. he got hurt in an accident. yeah? -and th th th the tendons had to be brought together somehow is it? +and th th th the tendons had to be brought together somehow is it? yeah er do does then th they go back. has he got his grip back? @@ -77604,9 +77537,9 @@ but i mean his, his, his was an accident. yeah. yeah. well i think, i think this is -he, he +he, he an accident actually. -he couldn't er er you know +he couldn't er er you know yeah. it was just like that. yeah. @@ -77621,7 +77554,7 @@ i do indeed. you wanna get, get the mop going fred. start mopping. get your grip on it. -see you'll get is there anybody else on the scene? +see you'll get is there anybody else on the scene? no, nobody at all. well i, i, you know, i have my friends, you know. i'm not without friends. @@ -77653,7 +77586,7 @@ i'll bring them, you i'll just bring your microphone in. have you ? pardon? -you're tap dance. +you're tap dance. i can tap, no i can ballroom dance though. no, different sort of thing altogether. it looks as though she's doing scottish dancing, do you do scottish dancing? @@ -77662,10 +77595,10 @@ or the irish jig. can you do the irish jig? yeah. are, are you bringing it then? -how did the er christmas do go? -er a alright i think fred, i didn't go position it was in but erm well margaret said she enjoyed it but she said it wasn't the music was too loud. +how did the er christmas do go? +er a alright i think fred, i didn't go position it was in but erm well margaret said she enjoyed it but she said it wasn't the music was too loud. oh i'm glad i wasn't there then. -you couldn't have a discussion +you couldn't have a discussion yeah well that's why i didn't go before. that's why i, that's why i didn't go and that was why it was @@ -77675,7 +77608,7 @@ whoops she says do you mean it? no i mean there is a limit where? -below which i age-wise below which i +below which i age-wise below which i sh there's no such thing as a limit with age. there is. twenty years is nothing now is it? @@ -77684,14 +77617,14 @@ right. okay. okay right. yes, okay, bye -a dolly bird +a dolly bird well i've had them in my time as you know. have you fred? you've had them in your time, yeah. i know you have. -erm information on the door i'll tell you what it is, sandwiches. +erm information on the door i'll tell you what it is, sandwiches. sandwiches? -you can now ring up, save your legs going to +you can now ring up, save your legs going to oh can you? this, oh here? yes. @@ -77703,13 +77636,13 @@ i wonder if it's that one up beside asda because when i've gone in before she's oh. could be. so it could possibly be that one. -that one just where the warehouse is. +that one just where the warehouse is. yeah. is it ? -no it's not +no it's not oh. -oh isn't, isn't, isn't she a isn't she a she, she's very subtle -she's eileen isn't she ? +oh isn't, isn't, isn't she a isn't she a she, she's very subtle +she's eileen isn't she ? she's really subtle, yes. wouldn't want you any other way eileen, we like you to be subtle. is ronnie here? @@ -77721,14 +77654,14 @@ what have you been doing to him? too right! we both well he c it took him all morning, how long would it have taken me? -taken my morning's away wouldn't it? +taken my morning's away wouldn't it? yeah. -he had his group in on tuesday and he left all the pots out in the kitchen -yeah and er never washed them up, i know. +he had his group in on tuesday and he left all the pots out in the kitchen +yeah and er never washed them up, i know. he could never wash a cup up because they were all on the draining board. they were everywhere, and the pots out on the side as well. yeah. -so i er when i said it to him, on top i made a good job i says. +so i er when i said it to him, on top i made a good job i says. so that i know. oh really, you know? @@ -77741,9 +77674,9 @@ no i've come in for physio actually. i've just been to the physio before i came here. and i've seen trish, fortunately, i was hoping one of the physios would be in yeah. -so had the opportunity of having a chat with her. +so had the opportunity of having a chat with her. did she give you a -well yes er she really confirmed er she seemed as concerned as i was didn't she? +well yes er she really confirmed er she seemed as concerned as i was didn't she? i thought so fred, yes. yeah. right i'm gonna make a drink, does everyone want one? @@ -77756,7 +77689,7 @@ yeah. eleven, eileen. oh dear oh dear. why do fall for it every time i'm here? -i do, i do i'm here at ten past seven most mornings now. +i do, i do i'm here at ten past seven most mornings now. have to wait twenty five to eight before he'd come in, how he was coming here at that time i don't know. on top of you, especially yvonne when she's on this week. and how's, and how's, how ? @@ -77765,16 +77698,16 @@ it's finished. what, the whole thing's finished? yeah. has it really? -oh i, i don't know whether you can answer this one, do you know if angela is still at metropolitan housing? +oh i, i don't know whether you can answer this one, do you know if angela is still at metropolitan housing? you don't, no, i don't suppose you would, have to ask martin. why do you want to get a house off her? -yes they er they did take avenue over, there were some negotiations +yes they er they did take avenue over, there were some negotiations could of. oh. they slept overnight and left the place in a mess. -it's in the sort of a housing trust, i can't remember what it is +it's in the sort of a housing trust, i can't remember what it is well metropolitan. -er th actually it's angela who used to, that's what reminded me, angela , i think it's metropolitan +er th actually it's angela who used to, that's what reminded me, angela , i think it's metropolitan did she used to come to the housing, to the meetings? she i she did. oh well it's not that name now fred. @@ -77784,7 +77717,7 @@ oh. the er the lady that comes to the meetings cos i've been going to them. oh. but er, no there's no, there's no more training or anything done there. -but it was such a lot and we used to +but it was such a lot and we used to yeah, yeah. oh it was, i mean well right from the start it was, it was not the most sensible place to er have a group erm no. @@ -77794,26 +77727,25 @@ too big yes, that's right. and b erm the area in which it was placed is not good at all. that's right. -see m er martin tried to get it used as people use it for meeting rooms and things but er you see you can't park either can you? +see m er martin tried to get it used as people use it for meeting rooms and things but er you see you can't park either can you? no, no. and people wanted to be near a park. -erm erm erm but,yeah and people er have great areas of that taken. +erm erm erm but,yeah and people er have great areas of that taken. i'll see you then. no i w are you, you do don't suppose you're, well still i can use my pass can't i? yeah. are you, are you going down? yeah. -i, i'll well what about this, i, i, will you pick this up later? +i, i'll well what about this, i, i, will you pick this up later? yvonne will i'm not gonna let yvonne not gonna let yvonne i'm not gonna let yvonne touch it, i'm gonna let the cleaner deal with it when she comes in. right see you then. -yeah, hope you get on alright with mr +yeah, hope you get on alright with mr okay thanks. tarrah. bye. - like, who was it who reckoned there was a corner on a boat? well you reckoned there weren't a corner on a boat. there ain't. @@ -77823,7 +77755,7 @@ ach, you do get corners on boats! no. boats are shaped like a bloody rugby ball shape type no they ain't. -one end is and the other one ain't, and it was a yacht and a yacht, they got little rooms in or something cos innit? +one end is and the other one ain't, and it was a yacht and a yacht, they got little rooms in or something cos innit? oh that,th the rooms are shaped ni , like to the size of the boat, you nonce!! let's ask your mum if there's, if there's any corners on a boat. of course there ain't. @@ -77873,7 +77805,7 @@ yes you do. yes you do, you dill! why do you think they're called seagulls kev ? der er! -you don't get seagulls +you don't get seagulls seagulls do swim kev. they don't swim. they do swim. @@ -77890,7 +77822,7 @@ al , alright kev. yeah. flying in the water. alright mum? -water seagulls fly in apparently because erm . +water seagulls fly in apparently because erm . yeah. they go in the ship you dick ! dick arse. @@ -77901,10 +77833,10 @@ alright bollocks. alright, so they draw fish on the side of the fucking ships! if you say draw it wrong, who cares? -if there weren't then just go home. +if there weren't then just go home. go home . do you think so? -erm, now i am home so sod off! +erm, now i am home so sod off! go to bed then! i don't wanna go to bed . ask silko. @@ -77912,7 +77844,7 @@ yeah. he's only a fucking newsreader. that's trevor macdonald . excuse me. -this ain't . +this ain't . a bunny. he's black though. i know. @@ -77922,15 +77854,15 @@ let's get a coffee d'ya now. nah. -do you wanna erm +do you wanna erm go for a quick one before it closes. yeah. before it closes. how do you know? they said it. -they faxed it, i t n faxed it just to the big breakfast. +they faxed it, i t n faxed it just to the big breakfast. they said it. -did you never know about your mind . +did you never know about your mind . you are. what you doing? what are you doing now? @@ -77959,7 +77891,7 @@ flies in the water. penguins don't. they do fly in the water. it does fly in the water. -it ain't got a to fly in the water. +it ain't got a to fly in the water. it has. it ain't got them under the water. it's just got a picture of water, and they're next to it. @@ -77984,7 +77916,7 @@ take a, take a shot now. on penalties. penalties! this is in turkey. -i reckon if me and you , get the team playing each other get both, get two away goals, whatever, take it into extra time right, we both get a goal each and go, imagine going to penalties or something. +i reckon if me and you , get the team playing each other get both, get two away goals, whatever, take it into extra time right, we both get a goal each and go, imagine going to penalties or something. it's a argentina match or something. get one put in together. no le , make it, don't make him score in extra time just @@ -77998,11 +77930,11 @@ so here he comes, looks as if we're . i just thought of something, what happens i don't re , i don't think so. cos when you're . -oh that's my microphone. +oh that's my microphone. who was it who first said that they'd witnessed something? yeah. what? -well you not, you liked the but erm +well you not, you liked the but erm no i never. you did. no i never. @@ -78029,8 +77961,8 @@ no, no, that's that thing called . bull boy back stop. you're playing this. bollocks! -you're a blue oyster in disguise. -you're a blue boy +you're a blue oyster in disguise. +you're a blue boy it's meant to be a tenner. oh. nine two on aggregate. @@ -78038,9 +77970,9 @@ ah! what a tenner between ya? no, tenner for each. yeah. -it's the spirit! +it's the spirit! no, if you only you had a fart coming. -he just went or it sounds like. +he just went or it sounds like. pa. it sounded, a little breather. pa. @@ -78078,17 +78010,17 @@ rumbled it. seven eight you've done it again . do him you wanker! -joe or something. +joe or something. i know. half way down. sam's brother. sam's there. -if sam came up to you and you ge your mil , you had millwall and sam right, rips it off right, ripped it to pieces and that, started burning it, and he give you a wimbledon shirt in return what would you do? -probably do the same to his. +if sam came up to you and you ge your mil , you had millwall and sam right, rips it off right, ripped it to pieces and that, started burning it, and he give you a wimbledon shirt in return what would you do? +probably do the same to his. mm. what, then you'd give him a millwall shirt? i'd give it back. -i got a and my dad was going +i got a and my dad was going i'd kill him! your dad'd kill him and all. i know. @@ -78098,7 +78030,7 @@ he's always had to find a new friend, he don't trust me. a good friend, ah! pass! i wanna be your friend. -he for a lunch. +he for a lunch. far from a friend. i wanna get you expelled. bollocks! @@ -78110,9 +78042,9 @@ oh a excellent boot, enough far . someone should tell joey. , but someone's already told him. oh sorry, i'm on the . -whoever listens to this your mum's like fish and chips, a come slap-up. +whoever listens to this your mum's like fish and chips, a come slap-up. good goal. -i reckon those kids are getting hooray!. +i reckon those kids are getting hooray!. oh it's on there. . oh it's too smelly at millwall. @@ -78120,52 +78052,51 @@ hey. i says at , arsenal !, it's not against fanny and chelsea . who's this fanny and chelsea ? oh yeah, cos i know it's wonderful . - birmingham polytechnic offer all their facilities absolutely free of charge to us so get yourself down in the entertainment bar in aston. -er make full use of all their fields as well as their indoor gyms, leisure centre, swimming pool etcetera. +er make full use of all their fields as well as their indoor gyms, leisure centre, swimming pool etcetera. birmingham university don't let us use their stuff free of charge. -er it's thirty six pound a year to be a member there but if you are a keen sportsman their facilities are well worth using because it's a very very good sports centre indeed. +er it's thirty six pound a year to be a member there but if you are a keen sportsman their facilities are well worth using because it's a very very good sports centre indeed. aston university haven't got an awful lot of good stuff in the way of indoor facilities. they've got a good seven a side outdoor astroturf pitch which we can hire fairly cheaply. but er i wouldn't recommend that too highly . -sporting teams, you all look a sporting bunch to me specially that chubby chap there in the middle er i've got contacts with not only all the local football, rugby, cricket clubs etcetera, but also the teams that sort of how do i put this represent people in er the city on, on a, a good sporting level, i e mosely rugby club, aston villa football club, so whatever your standard is in any sport come and see me and i shall sort out exactly what you want. +sporting teams, you all look a sporting bunch to me specially that chubby chap there in the middle er i've got contacts with not only all the local football, rugby, cricket clubs etcetera, but also the teams that sort of how do i put this represent people in er the city on, on a, a good sporting level, i e mosely rugby club, aston villa football club, so whatever your standard is in any sport come and see me and i shall sort out exactly what you want. of course the college has its own teams as well. -er football, rugby basketball are popular ones. +er football, rugby basketball are popular ones. er any team that you do want to join, there is also a team available. -if you actually want to set up the society yourself, find ten little friends, come along, ten people giving the number you need to form a society one pound each for membership, i shall give you all the er relevant data and you can start up your side in whatever it be as long as it doesn't contravene union policy on sexism, racism etcetera. +if you actually want to set up the society yourself, find ten little friends, come along, ten people giving the number you need to form a society one pound each for membership, i shall give you all the er relevant data and you can start up your side in whatever it be as long as it doesn't contravene union policy on sexism, racism etcetera. and i'm sure you wouldn't. er that's briefly enough on sport, i'm gonna move on to entertainment facilities now. -the bar, the guild bar downstairs currently not open at the moment i grant you, but hopefully, with a bit of luck, tonight is the grand opening tonight. +the bar, the guild bar downstairs currently not open at the moment i grant you, but hopefully, with a bit of luck, tonight is the grand opening tonight. and what a wonderful place, what more can be said about the bar? free with your guild card which you will carry with you everywhere i know, cheap beer, brilliant atmosphere, incredibly good djs erm we're always looking for people to come along and have a go so if you wanna put your name down you can have a saturday night and spin those wheels. excellent atmosphere, friendly barmen -he's alright your friend there. +he's alright your friend there. he's just a bit grumpy, he's a bit grumpy at times, excellent barmen er i'm usually down there s sampling the, the diet coke or some such wondrous thing like that. er and you will definitely get to know lots of people down there and it's a good focal point for the guild. -i must point out about isn't just the guild a lot of people think it is but it is a good focal point to find out what's going on and meet people. -er on a slightly bigger scale entertainment again as we're only a small college, we do tend to liaise with the bigger education establishment in the city, i e birmingham university, central england university formerly birmingham polytechnic and aston university. -they have fairly regularly staged, what you might call bigger bands who play the university circuit as such and they're always, you know, dying for people to come along so there'll,th there'll be lists published at what time, what events are on at these places if you wanna go and do that and if you wanna go to the top notch bands, birmingham's a good venue for that with the leisure centre, the m i a the n e c, the k g b etcetera etcetera all that stuff there so there's always plenty to do, don't, don't feel restricted just cos we're in er the middle of the city centre in this college and there doesn't seem a lot to do, there's a lot going on. +i must point out about isn't just the guild a lot of people think it is but it is a good focal point to find out what's going on and meet people. +er on a slightly bigger scale entertainment again as we're only a small college, we do tend to liaise with the bigger education establishment in the city, i e birmingham university, central england university formerly birmingham polytechnic and aston university. +they have fairly regularly staged, what you might call bigger bands who play the university circuit as such and they're always, you know, dying for people to come along so there'll,th there'll be lists published at what time, what events are on at these places if you wanna go and do that and if you wanna go to the top notch bands, birmingham's a good venue for that with the leisure centre, the m i a the n e c, the k g b etcetera etcetera all that stuff there so there's always plenty to do, don't, don't feel restricted just cos we're in er the middle of the city centre in this college and there doesn't seem a lot to do, there's a lot going on. a free legal service is offered by the guild. it's a, a firm of city centre solicitors, they're very very good indeed er i recommend it thoroughly. -it er doesn't have to be a problem related to college, any problem you've got er come and see me, it's as well to take advantage of it cos those of you who have been involved in legal wranglings before will it's quite an expensive business, so -i mean you'll have to come and see me about that because it's fairly confidential so but they are very very good. +it er doesn't have to be a problem related to college, any problem you've got er come and see me, it's as well to take advantage of it cos those of you who have been involved in legal wranglings before will it's quite an expensive business, so +i mean you'll have to come and see me about that because it's fairly confidential so but they are very very good. er what else can i go on about? representation. now there's a long word for you. -erm my job, i, i'm employed by the union of students which you have all paid your subscription to so therefore, in effect, you're all my bosses. +erm my job, i, i'm employed by the union of students which you have all paid your subscription to so therefore, in effect, you're all my bosses. i'm here to represent you basically as, as your voice with any problem you have, as i mentioned at the beginning. -a problem is a, a lecture, a lecturer, other students, anything of the college er i'm the person who takes your voice. -now you're you're welcome to register a complaint yourself but i, i'm a representative on the board of governors, the academic board committee etcetera etcetera so i can get these points right up where they belong. +a problem is a, a lecture, a lecturer, other students, anything of the college er i'm the person who takes your voice. +now you're you're welcome to register a complaint yourself but i, i'm a representative on the board of governors, the academic board committee etcetera etcetera so i can get these points right up where they belong. i can also, if i erm come across the same problem a few times i could hopefully work on that and then probably eradicate altogether. so do come and see me if it's a problem you've got that you think needs sorting out. er again on the national level, if you think there's a, a campaign you wanna be involved in or wanna get started i'll put that on to the area n u s who will, if it's a credible case, will put it forward to the national executive. but i'm really the person to come and see and i liaise with all these bodies as such. the annual general meeting our a g m is next week where, where we, we elect all the officers, the guild officers, who will serve with me, and help me on the forthcoming year. -there are eight positions up for grabs which are vice president, sports officer, entertainments officer publicity officer, welfare officer, women's officer and minorities and overseas officer. -if you're interested in standing for any of those or wanna put someone forward to stand for one of those, come to the elections in room six two three, six two four friday the twenty sixth at two fifteen twenty third, i'm sorry, at two fifteen and er not only will you get all the, the general info about what i've done so far this year, what i intend to do, what next year's budget's going to be etcetera, that's when those elections are actually held. -so do come along to that. -i'll leave it at the moment, i know you've now got a very busy day ahead of you lectures to attend and such things like that but er has anybody got a question or two they'd like to ask me concerning anything? +there are eight positions up for grabs which are vice president, sports officer, entertainments officer publicity officer, welfare officer, women's officer and minorities and overseas officer. +if you're interested in standing for any of those or wanna put someone forward to stand for one of those, come to the elections in room six two three, six two four friday the twenty sixth at two fifteen twenty third, i'm sorry, at two fifteen and er not only will you get all the, the general info about what i've done so far this year, what i intend to do, what next year's budget's going to be etcetera, that's when those elections are actually held. +so do come along to that. +i'll leave it at the moment, i know you've now got a very busy day ahead of you lectures to attend and such things like that but er has anybody got a question or two they'd like to ask me concerning anything? don't all rush at once. this man here. what's your question sir? @@ -78173,7 +78104,7 @@ do the guild offer a typing services? not free of charge. there are, though, numerous students on certain of the third year and degree courses who are trying to earn a little extra income shall i put it and far from the majority of traditional methods they are to do it legally and set up little typewriting agencies etcetera and if you keep your eye on the notice boards you'll see various . -for instance, you know, contact carol h n d three f er for typing servi they're not free,th they're dirt cheap, about twenty p a page for a four. +for instance, you know, contact carol h n d three f er for typing servi they're not free,th they're dirt cheap, about twenty p a page for a four. that's quite a bargain. why, don't you like typing? no. @@ -78183,7 +78114,7 @@ where can you play rugby? i shall, shall get in touch with mosely rugby club for you. thank you. it's taken me long enough god knows but -i'll get in touch with them for oh dear i'll get in touch with them for you. +i'll get in touch with them for oh dear i'll get in touch with them for you. round the corner no doubt i'm sure. indeed. any other questions ladies and gentlemen? @@ -78192,15 +78123,14 @@ okey-dokey. we haven't got one of those. no i'm only joking. erm thank you very indeed for your time boys, girls, ladies and gentleman. -er i shall let you get on to your lectures or what other pursuits you have and no doubt see you around. +er i shall let you get on to your lectures or what other pursuits you have and no doubt see you around. any problem you've got do come and see me. thank you very much indeed. - get this sorted out. it tends to stick on, it's never done that, i don't think, yet. yeah. now, have you had a chance to look at anything since last time? -i haven't and i've i've meant to, but +i haven't and i've i've meant to, but ah. you know i've been like mad mad busy w one thing and another. @@ -78234,7 +78164,7 @@ mm. on your own. because when it well -comes to the exam you're gonna be on your own . +comes to the exam you're gonna be on your own . yeah. i'll have i mean i'm having er a weekend in lytham so i might er take stuff up with me, you know for for the odd yeah. @@ -78254,13 +78184,13 @@ take a take a bearing on me then, if north is that window. erm north's that window, right yeah, don't forget , go yeah. -clockwise even though it means coming the long way round +clockwise even though it means coming the long way round yeah. they put it on every question and they all come out of the exam and they say, oh it was fifty degrees wa no, it was all the way, it was three hundred and ten. oh. there goes the marks on that one. yeah. -so if you remember nothing else, remember that one. +so if you remember nothing else, remember that one. yeah. to make sure you go clockwise. okay, have you come across anything else that you've i suppose you haven't had, you haven't been coming across much at all. @@ -78276,7 +78206,7 @@ yeah. haven't you? yeah. erm -right so right. +right so right. so you're okay on graphs, because there's usually a question on graphs which er if you you you know if you're okay on them, pretty easy marks? erm not too bad, i mean we've done a the last thing i done at at the night school, was a historogram. okay. @@ -78296,7 +78226,7 @@ what's yeah. right. what's the main thing missing from it at the moment? -erm well apart from like, the next few columns? +erm well apart from like, the next few columns? mm. the bit they give you marks for. er @@ -78316,7 +78246,7 @@ right. weights and measures. yeah, it can be almost anything, but if mm. -you haven't marked on what it is, erm and then you come make get some interruptions, which you're going to do, and you +you haven't marked on what it is, erm and then you come make get some interruptions, which you're going to do, and you yeah. come back to it next week, mm. @@ -78341,7 +78271,7 @@ mm. is where most people go wrong. two, four, six, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen yeah. -and +and and it's it's rubbish then, it's rubbish because the scale doesn't mean anything. one part of the scale it's double, and the other part it's not. yeah. @@ -78373,7 +78303,7 @@ i've done some functions. right. functions. yeah. -one function er that that yo you're given a function, +one function er that that yo you're given a function, right. you're told that that particular function is equal to that. mm. @@ -78382,15 +78312,15 @@ mm. well there's a definition of a function there. yeah. what's a function? -er a function is is a set a set sum that you're given. +er a function is is a set a set sum that you're given. a function of a number. mm. er as a end result that number, that's a function but you have to do something with it. -er mm. +er mm. tell me some of the things that happen when you're you're working out a function, what would what would be the the overall picture if someone was going to work out a function? erm what would you -well you given the function. +well you given the function. you're given a function, okay, whatever that is. mm. it might be a bit like a rabbit or something, it's a function, right. @@ -78419,17 +78349,17 @@ can it be anything, or what? pretty much it can be anything, it could be in brackets, it could be a minus in brackets, mhm. okay, i'll give you a i'll give you a number . -and +and erm three hundred and sixty. yeah. right. you give me all its factors. or a few factors, give me some factors. -er erm well er twenty, +er erm well er twenty, okay yeah. five, yeah. -erm ten, +erm ten, okay. now is that a function? mm? @@ -78443,7 +78373,7 @@ it's not. yeah. okay. what does your what does this say, for a function? -when you take a number, follow a set of instructions, and end up with end up with what? +when you take a number, follow a set of instructions, and end up with end up with what? er you'd end up with end up with one answer. @@ -78514,7 +78444,7 @@ and you get one funny thing as the answer. but we can, at this level, we can restrict it to numbers. yeah. erm -it's a few xs in there and there. +it's a few xs in there and there. right now. went down to like this kind of stuff here. right. @@ -78524,7 +78454,7 @@ now the notation, do you understand the notation? where's the notation? two types of notation it gives here. a and b. -yeah well erm they're basically different functions different questions . +yeah well erm they're basically different functions different questions . erm those are the same function. but he's given it to you in two different types of notation, and you need to know both. so w how would you read this first on? @@ -78546,7 +78476,7 @@ he's just wrote it out different. he's used the two dots right. okay. -and +and this nota this notation, is mapping notation, because amongst other things, a function is a special case of a mapping. we won't go into mm. @@ -78591,11 +78521,11 @@ and that's evaluating function. finding the value of the function. given that f of x is x squared plus four, work out f of two. mhm. -that's two times two is four plus four. +that's two times two is four plus four. okay. and all of these. f of nought. -that's er nought squared plus four is four. +that's er nought squared plus four is four. okay. right. now gets interesting, and you need to know what the notation is, when you've got more than one function. @@ -78622,7 +78552,7 @@ oh. f of five? f of five is one. what was it, two x -right two times five okay. +right two times five okay. right. so all these have been marked and they're okay are they? yeah. @@ -78631,7 +78561,7 @@ now five these ones here though, i was surprised i i got them right. mm? because i was like well it wasn't quite gelling, but i just done it anyway and it -follow the rule +follow the rule yeah. tells you. square it, multiply it by two, subtract, whatever it is, just do it. @@ -78700,20 +78630,20 @@ mhm. waiting until that one's been worked out. oh if that's one's five then they go to the next on e after that, which is seven . seven. -right now a function of a function there. +right now a function of a function there. mhm. it's the same, it's the same function. i think it's probably easier to see it, when you use a different function. now we don't he hasn't given you any of those here. er i'm pretty sure they do give you them. -just check the level -yeah he hasn't hasn't +just check the level +yeah he hasn't hasn't if he gives you that, if he gives you f of f, then he can give you f of g, and i'm pretty sure that you do need to know that, so i won't bother checking. i'll just give you some on those. mhm. -and you can see what this this is in function notation, which is most commonly used, and it's easier to understand, than the mapping notation, most people find . +and you can see what this this is in function notation, which is most commonly used, and it's easier to understand, than the mapping notation, most people find . yeah. -so think of a function, keep it nice and simple, cos you're gonna have to work it out . +so think of a function, keep it nice and simple, cos you're gonna have to work it out . yeah. okay. think of a function. @@ -78737,10 +78667,10 @@ mm. with actual numbers. before we go into that. yeah. -what's f of g of three? +what's f of g of three? how would you work that out, sort of talk about it before you get started. what what are you going to do with that? -er m well if if function was three, it'd be +er m well if if function was three, it'd be function isn't three, input, the number that's going in is three. mhm. right. @@ -78778,7 +78708,7 @@ so now we're looking for f of three squared plus one. and what's no we don't. that's right not right. i should have have checked that before i wrote it in. -g of g of x is three times x +g of g of x is three times x yeah yeah g three times x minus two. g of x is three ti three x three times x @@ -78807,14 +78737,14 @@ so it's ten squared. so it's three times four minus two, squared plus one. plus one. -so that's f of g of x. +so that's f of g of x. mhm. now i'd like you that's f of g of x, to work out g of f of x. mhm. er the same x. g of f of three. of four sorry. -so right. +so right. what's that going to come to? g that's what that's what f of x comes to, and that's what g of f g of x comes to. @@ -78829,7 +78759,7 @@ don't work ou yeah that's great. don't work out what that comes to, leave it as four squared plus one. right. okay. -so then g g of x er is, +so then g g of x er is, now you you can only write exactly what's on there, in here. mhm. because that's what g of that's g of thins number. @@ -78852,14 +78782,14 @@ hi. how are you then? fine thanks. having a nice rest are you? -well i am now now anyway . +well i am now now anyway . i mean, you know in general, are you sort of sitting back, you know, letting the house run itself and everyone rushing round. -oh well not quite really no. +oh well not quite really no. you get some troublemakers here sometimes don't you. thanks very much for okay. the coffee. -so what would g of seven be, it would be three times seven minus two. +so what would g of seven be, it would be three times seven minus two. but what's g of this lot? well is it i'd have to work it out wouldn't i? no. @@ -78867,7 +78797,7 @@ four fours are sixteen but th that would be seventeen. okay do it like that. so it'd be three seventeen minus two. right so write it as about here write it as three times seventeen, minus two. -okay, but there's no reason why you can't write it as we're doing g of f of, that was f of, and g of is +okay, but there's no reason why you can't write it as we're doing g of f of, that was f of, and g of is g of f of that's x so we've got three times, four squared plus one. yeah. @@ -78876,14 +78806,14 @@ minus two. yeah. yeah okay? right. -that's i put them just +that's i put them just that's fine. now so it helps to put that in the brackets. it helps to put that in a smaller bracket, when i go three times that, minus that. yeah. right. -g of f of x is going to be what? +g of f of x is going to be what? it's going to be g of what's f of x? x squared plus one. right, what do you do with when you're doing g, you do three times it @@ -78907,7 +78837,7 @@ yeah. that works okay, that. yeah. and g of f of four, would come to forty nine. -now i'm pretty certain that you do that and it's it's a bit of erm there's qui quite a bit in it. +now i'm pretty certain that you do that and it's it's a bit of erm there's qui quite a bit in it. getting sort of it does, the functions can see seem quite advanced really don't they. . or is it just cos it's fresh stuff? @@ -79008,7 +78938,7 @@ so we'd be better off, spending the time on on graphs. now he give me that. three posts on a building site. er let's have a look. -er one right you okay on number one? +er one right you okay on number one? i haven't even read it. er the cash price for double glazing the windows was three nine five oh. he decided to pay by hire purchase. @@ -79034,7 +78964,7 @@ two see you've got a percent key marked there, how do you get mhm. these, upper ones. oh you put it into a different mode. -ah yeah +ah yeah that's what you do. mhm. you put this into a different mode, and it's not worth messing about with that at all. @@ -79043,7 +78973,7 @@ because, you put that into a different mode, you can't get back to your normal m yeah. so don't use your percent button. mhm. -erm right equivalents of percentages and fractions. +erm right equivalents of percentages and fractions. . what does four percent mean? oh four parts of a hundred. okay four percent is a fraction. @@ -79077,7 +79007,7 @@ yeah. threes. so that's all you do. how would you do that on your calculator? -er two forty times a hundred times four? +er two forty times a hundred times four? no. how would you find oh two forty over a hundred, times four. @@ -79110,7 +79040,7 @@ the two bottom ones together.. right so that's so what's have a guess, what would be erm so nine hundred, it works out at nine pound odd -what would two thirds of three quarters come to roughly. +what would two thirds of three quarters come to roughly. just sort of thinking about it having a guess. a half. how did you get that? @@ -79135,7 +79065,7 @@ right. so how much is there? er three quarters. how big is that? -that's that's a third. +that's that's a third. right and that's also a third. it doesn't look it cos it's mm. @@ -79172,7 +79102,7 @@ what would one third of this be? if we shared that three quarters equally between three people, how much would they get? between three people. mhm. -they'd get erm let's see they'd get that. +they'd get erm let's see they'd get that. right. so they'd get they'd get that much. mm. @@ -79194,7 +79124,7 @@ but it's all all this is okay, but it sort of makes your brain ache after a bit yeah. mind. mm. -so any number, divided by one, is just the same number, so if we +so any number, divided by one, is just the same number, so if we yeah. so if we got two, four, o multiplied by four, equal to so what it is nine sixty don't don't need to do the equals, you can go straight on to the divide by a hundred. @@ -79206,13 +79136,13 @@ i say i thought it was about nine pound odd. right. so so the the formula, -to calculate what erm -percentage +to calculate what erm +percentage p p percent if you like. well mhm. we wo won't use x. -p percent of thirty five pounds,that's thirty five times p over a hundred. +p percent of thirty five pounds,that's thirty five times p over a hundred. yeah. that's it? yeah. @@ -79225,9 +79155,9 @@ some of them you you might do in your head, like you think, well i know twenty p mhm. erm so you can do that, you can work out total payments, and subtract that, and what it should have been. what about number two? -let's see erm the diagram above, represents a rectangular lawn, fifteen by ten, with a circular flower bed diameter six . -taking pi as three er taking pi as three, calculate the area of the flowerbed. -area of a circle is pi r squared . +let's see erm the diagram above, represents a rectangular lawn, fifteen by ten, with a circular flower bed diameter six . +taking pi as three er taking pi as three, calculate the area of the flowerbed. +area of a circle is pi r squared . so it's three times the radius, squared? mhm. yeah. @@ -79236,7 +79166,7 @@ okay? er so the the flower bed has a diameter of six metres. so the radius is three metres. right. -so pi is three, times three squared. +so pi is three, times three squared. right. okay? well @@ -79256,7 +79186,7 @@ area is the short one. that's not all the way round, that's just multiplying one by the other. mhm. okay. -that gives you a the length by the breadth or if you're working out er painting a ceiling or something, +that gives you a the length by the breadth or if you're working out er painting a ceiling or something, mm. length by the breadth to work out how may square metres, then you have a look on the can,one can will cover thirty square metres or whatever . mm. @@ -79369,7 +79299,7 @@ right. if you can't do it right away, leave it. mhm. right. -student asks thirty people, how long it had taken them and you draw a frequency table, which you've just been doing there. +student asks thirty people, how long it had taken them and you draw a frequency table, which you've just been doing there. mhm. okay? so that should be okay. @@ -79383,7 +79313,7 @@ mhm. because you can really get stuck on them. yeah. that you'll get you can pretty much guarantee you'll get one, and it'll be almost the same as that. -there'll be different numbers, it won't be a football match, it might be weights of pizzas, it might be the length to french sticks, you know it could be anything. +there'll be different numbers, it won't be a football match, it might be weights of pizzas, it might be the length to french sticks, you know it could be anything. but yeah. it'll be very similar to that. @@ -79397,8 +79327,8 @@ completely on your own. so this i this is a good thing to work through, this one. now look. a field is in the shape of a quadrilateral,. -use the scale one to ten. -make an accurate drawing now if you get one like this, +use the scale one to ten. +make an accurate drawing now if you get one like this, mm. like six, and you will usually get one of these on,do an accurate scale drawing, then go for that. yeah. @@ -79425,7 +79355,7 @@ this was the erm tree thing isn't it? yeah. -erm write the appropriate probabilities on the branches of the tree diagram. +erm write the appropriate probabilities on the branches of the tree diagram. and we'll have a quick glance at that now. see what you make of it. three blue and one red. @@ -79439,7 +79369,7 @@ bag a contains three blue beads mhm. and one red bead. bag b contains three blue beads and three red beads. -two draws are made draw one, a bead is taken from bag a and put in bag b. +two draws are made draw one, a bead is taken from bag a and put in bag b. right. a bead is taken from bag b. write the appropriate probability on the branches of the tree diagram. @@ -79447,7 +79377,7 @@ draw one, and they won't be giving you a lot of marks for that i don't mm. think. -erm i think that's slightly tricky. +erm i think that's slightly tricky. it's it's unusual. yeah. erm @@ -79461,7 +79391,7 @@ this is mm. erm not you know, silly mathematics, it's probability is based on, it's to do with gambling. mm. -it's all about getting your money. +it's all about getting your money. now there was a bloke called chevalier de mer. who was sounds french. @@ -79526,7 +79456,7 @@ yeah. the person who's offering you the game, and he knows the odds. mm. you don't. -you just think, ooh thousand to one, that sounds good odds. +you just think, ooh thousand to one, that sounds good odds. can't get much better than that. no. but he should be giving you a million to three. @@ -79546,7 +79476,7 @@ yeah. start off here with three blue and one red. mhm. what's the chances of getting a red, what's the chances of getting a blue? -well there's one chance of getting a red. +well there's one chance of getting a red. and there's three chances well mark the probabilities on here. where they've put the @@ -79664,12 +79594,12 @@ that we have got the right probabilities. yeah. same down here, three sevenths add four sevenths, that's okay. now what's the chance, that we'll get a blue out of the first bag, and a blue out of the second bag? -erm three and four and four and seven, so it's +erm three and four and four and seven, so it's what do you mean by, three and four and four and seven? -i was gonna add them up to see how +i was gonna add them up to see how were you? yeah. -what happens if i added erm an eighth to three quarters? +what happens if i added erm an eighth to three quarters? would the three quarters get bigger or less? bigger or smaller? bigger. @@ -79678,7 +79608,7 @@ mhm. right, and your next one, if you put it back, is four out of fifty two. and the next one four out of fifty two. so you're saying the chances of getting four aces, provided you put it back each time and shuffled them again, would be sixteen out of fifty two. -mm yeah. +mm yeah. no. your o your chances aren't getting better, they're getting a lot worse mhm. @@ -79718,7 +79648,7 @@ mhm. . and that's going to come to three out of twenty eight. and this one, will be what? -where one one quarter times four sevenths. +where one one quarter times four sevenths. that's it. four over twenty eight. and they, what do they add up to? @@ -79754,7 +79684,7 @@ that's r r. okay? yeah. erm that's a q sorry that's a quick look at it. -now the reason this is a bit messy, is that at that stage, depended on which one you get out of here, you putting in the second bag. +now the reason this is a bit messy, is that at that stage, depended on which one you get out of here, you putting in the second bag. erm i haven't seen one before like that at this level. yeah. he may be giving us harder papers just to @@ -79779,17 +79709,17 @@ that's erm . but you need you need to be practising a lot of things now. mm. a lot. -erm right. +erm right. using the distances and bearings, draw a scale diagram and measure things. good one to go for. mhm. you should get full marks on that and on that other one. yeah. they're good ones to go for. -that one no way. +that one no way. you know? yeah. -you can really get tied up in it and you and i'll just try this now. +you can really get tied up in it and you and i'll just try this now. i know i've been a long time on this but i'll i think it's nearly there. yeah. they can be nearly there for an hour and a half. @@ -79812,7 +79742,7 @@ northern paper. oh right. northern paper, southern paper, midlands paper. oh yeah. -erm okay. +erm okay. yeah i think i think have a go at those, you should be able to. you should be able to do all of those. i would le definitely leave that. @@ -79824,13 +79754,13 @@ mm. you can just throw the exam away getting stuck yeah. on one of those. -erm bearing you should be fine on that and on that. +erm bearing you should be fine on that and on that. now, drawing graphs of functions. have you done inequalities? less x is less than or equal to six? no. no. -cos that is definitely on erm. +cos that is definitely on erm. mm. you've done drawing graphs of er y equals done vectors @@ -79873,9 +79803,9 @@ yeah i wouldn't have said wrong, but not correct. so x is minus one. four x plus one is minus three. -one and five okay those points are right. +one and five okay those points are right. so putting those on the graph, you've got minus one, minus three. -minus one right one one point should be here. +minus one right one one point should be here. mhm. you've got nought, one, which is there. okay. @@ -79888,7 +79818,7 @@ yeah. but erm they're mm. -this one this minus one, three, just isn't shown anywhere. +this one this minus one, three, just isn't shown anywhere. yeah. minus one minus three doesn't even go down to minus two . yeah. @@ -79912,7 +79842,7 @@ erm let's see. if you've got any different, use two colours there, how many have you got? one, two,and three, yeah. i would do them on separate ones. -erm if you haven't got graph paper, erm pick a bit of s squared paper +erm if you haven't got graph paper, erm pick a bit of s squared paper mhm. just a normal sort of squared exercise book. i haven't got any with me, and i was just looking at graphs for someone else earlier. @@ -79963,7 +79893,7 @@ yeah. okay? yeah. erm. -what more can i say ? +what more can i say ? well you you need i'll @@ -79975,10 +79905,10 @@ yeah. and i'll have a a good read of this, and try and write down, things that i've got a block about i mean do do more writing and trying things and reading at the moment. mhm. -you can catch up on the i mean you can do those graphs without reading anything else about it. +you can catch up on the i mean you can do those graphs without reading anything else about it. yeah. do one on each sheet of paper. -erm reuben might have some graph paper +erm reuben might have some graph paper i've got gr i've got graph paper. right. yeah. @@ -79986,7 +79916,7 @@ okay? great well use on sheet for each. yeah. and do some graphs on that. -cos we've got, really we've got a a lot more that i'd like to cover. +cos we've got, really we've got a a lot more that i'd like to cover. yeah. erm we've only had a a glimpse really of probability. mhm. @@ -79999,20 +79929,20 @@ changing the subject of equ of an equation. yeah. yeah. i hesitate to do so because that's actually a source of difference between us and the county council. -but there are parties round this table who have nostalgic hankering for a projections. -and i've put around today a short paper which has a a graph attached to it which i think adds to the explanation when i draw your attention to. +but there are parties round this table who have nostalgic hankering for a projections. +and i've put around today a short paper which has a a graph attached to it which i think adds to the explanation when i draw your attention to. it's a graph of average household size in north yorkshire, and it's to that extent it's an attempt to summarize into one figure, the headship rate effect as it affects average household size. the the falling line in er in a continuous line is . derived either from county council sources or actual census reports so that is as it were, fact. -and when you come to the lines on the right hand side, you have two views of the future, which are labelled eighty five based and eighty nine based. +and when you come to the lines on the right hand side, you have two views of the future, which are labelled eighty five based and eighty nine based. and the are these are the d o e's projected household sizes from those two sets of household projections. -and i think the point the graph makes very clearly is that the eighty nine based set up here at least in my view, to fit far better to what has been happening than eighty five based set. +and i think the point the graph makes very clearly is that the eighty nine based set up here at least in my view, to fit far better to what has been happening than eighty five based set. not only had a much slower rate of fall, but are actually detached nineteen ninety one from what we know has been happening. thank you. thank you. mr mr ? yes. -chairman representing . +chairman representing . i'd like to ask a question please of mr . could he explain or clarify please what his unrestrained land, this four hundred and ninety two hectares. is it erm the national parks and greenbelt or i'd like to understand what it means. @@ -80032,7 +79962,7 @@ are you . no that's . yes sir the erm mr cowie. -mr grigson the positive paper this morning was er one item and also the more general question of the nineteen eighty nine projections closer than the nineteen eighty five ones. +mr grigson the positive paper this morning was er one item and also the more general question of the nineteen eighty nine projections closer than the nineteen eighty five ones. er we've used the nineteen eighty nine ones but we are reluctant to do so. we don't necessarily believe that they are all correct in what they say. sorry the nineteen eighty nine projections for what? @@ -80040,9 +79970,9 @@ headship. erm they're obtained by looking at the results of the labour force survey which is a very small proportion of households surveyed each year. and so there must be an element of doubt over having updated from nineteen eighty one here to nineteen eighty nine. er we are confirmed in our reservations about this by the results of the regional census study as i noted in my brief commentary n y three. -erm the point about the regional census study was that it did a reasonably good job of analyzing the present situation, but not a very good job of the projections. -and we did compare the eighty nine based headship rates come from that ninety one against the census in . -and it showed er some doubt about the er actually levels of comparison, but there was a question mark they raised, specifically about north yorkshire. +erm the point about the regional census study was that it did a reasonably good job of analyzing the present situation, but not a very good job of the projections. +and we did compare the eighty nine based headship rates come from that ninety one against the census in . +and it showed er some doubt about the er actually levels of comparison, but there was a question mark they raised, specifically about north yorkshire. north yorkshire in that context was different to what they found in the rest of the region. there is n there is a doubt about whether the eighty nine headship rates are appropriate. had we used the eighty five ones, the housing provision would be some ten thousand or so fewer than it is. @@ -80057,27 +79987,27 @@ so any dwellings over and above sixteen and a half thousand, would only be taken and so it would not be right to say that we're not looking after the local element of the population. i don't think that was necessarily the drift of the the house builders comment. but er i'll leave that. -your comment about the headship rates raise an interesting issue, in fact goes back to the comment mr made, about the west yorkshire and south yorkshire who've got a consistent approach in projecting . +your comment about the headship rates raise an interesting issue, in fact goes back to the comment mr made, about the west yorkshire and south yorkshire who've got a consistent approach in projecting . is that correct? that's correct . -i'm not sure whether mrs is either able or would wish to comment necessarily at this stage but er and i but is there any possibility that in the course of the operating the r p g, although i know that circulates to me certainly . +i'm not sure whether mrs is either able or would wish to comment necessarily at this stage but er and i but is there any possibility that in the course of the operating the r p g, although i know that circulates to me certainly . is there any likelihood that that consistency of approach which is being used by the south yorkshire and west yorkshire counties, would er could be adap adopted for o by other authorities in the north yorkshire county . thank you chairman. margaret , d o e. the erm draft of or the advice that the local planning authorities intend to give to the secretary of state is currently out for consultation, we hope that it will be submitted by the end of the year. at the moment the figures of housing provision in that draft advice are rat are done on a rather different basis for west yorkshire as opposed to the other counties in the region. it remains to be seen what figures are included when it is submitted to the secretary of state and what view he takes on that. -but certainly when we in the regional office get that that advice before before we put a submission to ministers, we will of course try to reconcile the figures so that they are on a consistent basis. -as for mr 's point that not mr b steven 's point that the erm figures for the strategic guidance for west and south yorkshire were done on a different basis, those figures with the exception of sheffield, were erm figures that were put in by the local planning authorities, the secretary of state accepted those figures, they were done on the nineteen eighty five based household projections, coupled with different assumptions about vacancy rates and demolitions etcetera, and the secretary of state accepted those figures. +but certainly when we in the regional office get that that advice before before we put a submission to ministers, we will of course try to reconcile the figures so that they are on a consistent basis. +as for mr 's point that not mr b steven 's point that the erm figures for the strategic guidance for west and south yorkshire were done on a different basis, those figures with the exception of sheffield, were erm figures that were put in by the local planning authorities, the secretary of state accepted those figures, they were done on the nineteen eighty five based household projections, coupled with different assumptions about vacancy rates and demolitions etcetera, and the secretary of state accepted those figures. erm in my view the secretary of state may come to the view on the latest figures that are available for him and erm no that is what i hope he will do when it comes to erm producing regional guidance. thank you. -i m i must confess i'm one of these simple folk who thought that once we got the nineteen ninety one census figures through then it would it would all start into place. +i m i must confess i'm one of these simple folk who thought that once we got the nineteen ninety one census figures through then it would it would all start into place. me too chairman. however can can i just? carry on. i was going to add a supplementary point er on that very issue of the nineteen ninety one census. -er referring to the graph in er mr 's paper, which showed that er the ninete well purported to show the nineteen eighty nine based headship rate figures were more in line with past experience. +er referring to the graph in er mr 's paper, which showed that er the ninete well purported to show the nineteen eighty nine based headship rate figures were more in line with past experience. er that very much depends on the er intervening line at nineteen ninety one. and i'm just wondering whether er the er point at nineteen ninety one is a correct v in view of the under-enumeration er in the census which isn't taken into account . so it could be that there were line from eighty one would come up to the eight five based starting point er a rather than the eighty nine based starting point on the graph. @@ -80090,17 +80020,17 @@ chairman i i wonder whether i could just make a sort of general statement from t erm i hope it didn't take too long to read our statement. . it was rather shorter than than everybody else's. . -erm i understand that the house builders federation have written to my headquarters on expressing concern about the possible temerity of the regional office having actually put forward a suggested figure for housing provision in north yorkshire. +erm i understand that the house builders federation have written to my headquarters on expressing concern about the possible temerity of the regional office having actually put forward a suggested figure for housing provision in north yorkshire. we thought from where we sat that the department should stand up and be counted along with all the other participants around the table. i hope you will view that figure in that light. it is not necessarily the secretary of state's definitive view, it is the view that erm the regional office have come to given the erm evidence presented presented at the time. -erm secondly, i'm not a statistician, i am unable to comment about all the technicalities of the the various assumptions that go into things but some of the people sitting around this table will know that i've been in yorkshire and humberside for quite some time . +erm secondly, i'm not a statistician, i am unable to comment about all the technicalities of the the various assumptions that go into things but some of the people sitting around this table will know that i've been in yorkshire and humberside for quite some time . i therefore have a fair amount experience of this region and also erm i have been involved in quite a lot of erm estimates of housing provision over the years. we've set out the assumptions that erm we used as a basis for our projections in the note in front of you. i hold hold no great sway to those assumptions. i'm sure many people sitting around this table could drive a horse and cart through any of them. but i believe that what you should do with trying to come to estimates of housing provision, is to put together the best technical assumptions that you can, to then sit down and take a long hard look at the figures based on the erm the policies of the county council as approved by the secretary of state in previous structure plan approvals, the current government policy. -i have particularly in mind, the erm regeneration initiatives of this government, the experience that erm you know of an area and erm the experience of what is happening in neighbouring counties. +i have particularly in mind, the erm regeneration initiatives of this government, the experience that erm you know of an area and erm the experience of what is happening in neighbouring counties. this chairman is what we have done. our conclusions for what they are worth are set out and we come to a figure of about forty five thousand. well. @@ -80110,54 +80040,54 @@ mm. for the next day and a half. can i just come back to this migration question. and . -but the difference between the h b f and the county council on migration is somewhere in the order of four thousand . +but the difference between the h b f and the county council on migration is somewhere in the order of four thousand . no no . now on a north yorkshire i can't remember which paper it is. it's in one of those. -in one of those papers, there is a figure a hundred percent migration forty six thousand . +in one of those papers, there is a figure a hundred percent migration forty six thousand . correct? yes. -now very simple if i deduct forty one thousand two hundred from forty six thousand you'll probably say i'm doing the wrong sum. +now very simple if i deduct forty one thousand two hundred from forty six thousand you'll probably say i'm doing the wrong sum. erm we have a difference of four thousand eight hundred. now is that difference four thousand eight hundred, due to wastage or entirely to your adjustments to take account of environmental considerations? yes that is . the question is do i need ? -i'm chairman . +i'm chairman . i think it's impossible to explore why there is a difference, it does not explain why the matters we have already discussed, like vacancies,households and death rates why there is a difference between what the county council say is one hundred percent , and what the h b f and others are advocating which is considerably more. -first of all can i check that i am right in saying that the difference between the h b f's figures of fifty three thousand and the county council's figure of forty six thousand is explained by the vacancies, concealed households, death rates etcetera. +first of all can i check that i am right in saying that the difference between the h b f's figures of fifty three thousand and the county council's figure of forty six thousand is explained by the vacancies, concealed households, death rates etcetera. yes. -can i short circuit that question and say, what in fact is your hundred percent ? +can i short circuit that question and say, what in fact is your hundred percent ? erm roy , house builders federation. erm fifty five thousand e no sorry, i'll have to look that up. one hundred percent migration. -never mind the other factors concealed households. +never mind the other factors concealed households. fi yeah. fifty five thousand seven hundred. . erm steven ,. it would be fifty four thousand eight hundred if there was no reduction for environmental considerations. -to what extent is the difference between that figure or those figures and the county council's forty six thousand, not explained by what ? +to what extent is the difference between that figure or those figures and the county council's forty six thousand, not explained by what ? roy , house builders federation. my understanding is that there there there isn't any difference that is not explained by those. those those figures. -erm the difference between us is of the order of ten thousand i think. +erm the difference between us is of the order of ten thousand i think. erm yeah. -that's a for your calculations +that's a for your calculations mhm. no i'll have to i'll i'll i'm afraid i'll have to withdraw that that that comment. -there is not erm i i i i would erm i have the figures ready to hand but . -i think peter , north yorkshire. +there is not erm i i i i would erm i have the figures ready to hand but . +i think peter , north yorkshire. i think on this side there's also a degree of corporate confusion at north yorkshire about the what exactly the what exactly we we we're trying to establish during this current round of er . -i'm trying to establish put down a figure of forty six thousand for migration. +i'm trying to establish put down a figure of forty six thousand for migration. that was taken ,for vacant dwellings. yes. -what we are trying at this stage, is the extent to which the difference between the h b f's of fifty five thousand, is explained by any technical treatment of migration, as opposed to. -chairman i wonder wonder whether it would help if i quoted from the erm the study into b the census information. +what we are trying at this stage, is the extent to which the difference between the h b f's of fifty five thousand, is explained by any technical treatment of migration, as opposed to. +chairman i wonder wonder whether it would help if i quoted from the erm the study into b the census information. the and and and other information. their figure for north yorkshire for eighty one to ninety one, from the national health service register, was forty seven point two inward. the residual estimate which is from the census figures, was fifty point nine. -i don't know whether that helps in any way . +i don't know whether that helps in any way . roy , house builders federation. er that they're they're not the figures that ei either the county or ourselves started from. . i think i can answer your original question now if i may. @@ -80170,20 +80100,20 @@ and the remaining difference which i estimate to be one thousand five hundred, i martin , north yorkshire. i think we all agree with er mr , that that there is a technical element to migration figures which is our fifteen hundred dwellings. as a a difference between us on technical measure. -sir if i could complete the er arithmetic, i think it would be helpful, if you were to look again at the single page note that was handed on this morning. +sir if i could complete the er arithmetic, i think it would be helpful, if you were to look again at the single page note that was handed on this morning. at the table, in paragraph seven where we set out our differences from the county council. i appreciate this is not in quite the form you asked the question, but you asked the question in terms of the differences apart from migration considerations. and as i'm able to do the arithmetic, the difference between the county council's full migration which is forty six thousand two hundred, and ours with no environmental reduction which i gave you as fifty four thousand eight hundred, comes if i've done my arithmetic right, to eight thousand six hundred. -if that's the difference between us which are not due to migration environment. +if that's the difference between us which are not due to migration environment. if you now look at the table, you'll see that that's made out of three thousand two hundred for concealed households. two thousand one hundred for a constant vacancy proportion. a difference of one thousand one hundred in the base dwellings stock which i've not discussed and don't propose to go into. and two thousand for the lower death rates, national projections which i've already mentioned. -and i think that will be roughly of the order of eight thousand six hundred, so those are our component differences. -yeah well, does anybody want to make any comment on that because i'm i'm quite environmental considerations +and i think that will be roughly of the order of eight thousand six hundred, so those are our component differences. +yeah well, does anybody want to make any comment on that because i'm i'm quite environmental considerations yes. mr . -er john , of of consultants on behalf of the er council for the protection of rural england. +er john , of of consultants on behalf of the er council for the protection of rural england. erm you you've asked er chairman for for a general comment on on what's been referred to as environmental discount, environmental considerations and so forth. i i think the c p r e's general comments and and you'll see from our our evidence that we we've deliberately not entered into the the the debate that you you've heard to date this morning. er our general response is is that the approach for the county council is is to be commended erm i in terms of i think, interpreting the true spirit of of of government guidance in in plan making, that erm the the the the discussion about figures is but one consideration. @@ -80197,21 +80127,21 @@ and i think er w we're concerned that erm the the case presented by the county h i wonder if by way of introduction, the county might wish to to comment on that. do you want to ? well i re peter , north yorkshire. -i don't wonder whether it would be helpful just step back a bit and just look at the county council's view as to how it should treat migration in the light of what the secretary of state has approved on two occasions, when this issue has come up. +i don't wonder whether it would be helpful just step back a bit and just look at the county council's view as to how it should treat migration in the light of what the secretary of state has approved on two occasions, when this issue has come up. on the issue of migration and it's relationship with with adjoining counties. and our view is that whichever way you look at approved structure plan and the two decisions of the secretary of state, first of all in er er on the approved structure plan and secondly, on the first alteration to the structure plan. quite clearly there there is recognition that there should be some limit to the level of migration er inward migration in north yorkshire. and the secreta the secretary of state is quite clear that the environmental constraint in north yorkshire, is a particularly important one. -although we might try to decision method, the overall stress of the secretary of state's decision methods, as they affect north yorkshire, is that there must be some limit er to migration largely for environmental considerations and indeed, the panel in nineteen eighty seven were very concerned that er migration would not be slowed quickly enough er in north yorkshire. -so the there is the county council we must try er and moderate migration. -and it would appear to many rather strained within that agreed by the secretary of state, a matter of general principle, the county council accepted past level er of migration without looking er at the implications er of that. -and indeed there are some who make think that the county council has been too generous in that the reduction from the hundred percent migration in four districts, er amounts only to somewhere about four and a half er thousand dwellings. +although we might try to decision method, the overall stress of the secretary of state's decision methods, as they affect north yorkshire, is that there must be some limit er to migration largely for environmental considerations and indeed, the panel in nineteen eighty seven were very concerned that er migration would not be slowed quickly enough er in north yorkshire. +so the there is the county council we must try er and moderate migration. +and it would appear to many rather strained within that agreed by the secretary of state, a matter of general principle, the county council accepted past level er of migration without looking er at the implications er of that. +and indeed there are some who make think that the county council has been too generous in that the reduction from the hundred percent migration in four districts, er amounts only to somewhere about four and a half er thousand dwellings. now within that overall context, and h b f say we have no right to do that, it conflicts with . we say that it is important to the general stress erm of the structure plan. there should be some reduction er in migration er into north yorkshire. that's the basic philosophy of the county council's approach er in this plan. -yes er joe representing sams samuel smith's brewery in tadcaster. -there is a technical difference that i should erm draw attention, draw the panel's attention to between ourselves and erm other p other in the migration rates. +yes er joe representing sams samuel smith's brewery in tadcaster. +there is a technical difference that i should erm draw attention, draw the panel's attention to between ourselves and erm other p other in the migration rates. we believe that the migration rates that should be used should be a three year average rather than an eight or a ten year average. our reasons for that are that the especially the eight year average used by the county council, are unduly skewed by the boom of the late eighties, and give in our view, to high a trend t to erm to work from. er the second reason that we would suggest this to the panel is that it is actually er used by opcas, the three year average is used by opcas rather than an eight year average. @@ -80219,24 +80149,24 @@ and as far as i can see, the only reason for an eight year average is because th well i don't believe that that should necessarily be a reason why it should be accepted in this case in by this panel. and it would in our view give a more accurate reflection of current trends if a shorter period were used. but if you're using three year average,three recent three years. -that you in fact recession. +that you in fact recession. well in fact we we do answer that point in our submissions that in fact it does take in our three year average does take into account the tail end of the boom. so it does actually span the end of the boom, the beginnings of the recession. yes, gentleman, the problem is the shorter the period, the less chance you have of getting a measurement which is necessarily representative of a general trend. -yes i i i would accept that as a general point yes that that that that that that the greater number of years, the more likely you are to get a long term trend. -but er there is a a and i wouldn inevitably er one does stray into i know want it in particular points at the moment, but there is a policy consideration to be borne in mind as well, which erm does suggest that past trends should not necessarily be projected into the future. +yes i i i would accept that as a general point yes that that that that that that the greater number of years, the more likely you are to get a long term trend. +but er there is a a and i wouldn inevitably er one does stray into i know want it in particular points at the moment, but there is a policy consideration to be borne in mind as well, which erm does suggest that past trends should not necessarily be projected into the future. and i from a technical point of view i would support my case by saying that if opcas use it, it's good enough for us if it's good enough for opcas. . can i i know we've got two people wanting to make comments on this . mr . -yes chairman, er mike cleveland county council. -er i'm not quite sure what er stage you want us to b be involved on this intensive policy but i i can't comment on the the technicalities of the vacancy rates even migration rates. +yes chairman, er mike cleveland county council. +er i'm not quite sure what er stage you want us to b be involved on this intensive policy but i i can't comment on the the technicalities of the vacancy rates even migration rates. but erm in terms of policy, erm cleveland county council supports the approach that north yorkshire and the district councils in the area are taking. er on two counts in terms of policy. -er and following what er miss indicated. +er and following what er miss indicated. erm we have a major regeneration er issue in cleveland and would like to retain as much of the population within the urban area within the compact urban area that we have as possible. -and secondly we do recognize the quality of the countryside south of cleveland and need to to retain its character and the lit the character of its villages which erm in fact do add to the attractions of the area when you're trying to e erm bring in new industry. -er undoubtedly a number of erm our res er our our er employed people, do live in the area immediately adjoining to the south and er the figures that hambleton have produced and our own estimates based on the national health er service records on migration, do indicate that there is a strong movement er on an annual basis into the north yorkshire area and in particular the sort of area. +and secondly we do recognize the quality of the countryside south of cleveland and need to to retain its character and the lit the character of its villages which erm in fact do add to the attractions of the area when you're trying to e erm bring in new industry. +er undoubtedly a number of erm our res er our our er employed people, do live in the area immediately adjoining to the south and er the figures that hambleton have produced and our own estimates based on the national health er service records on migration, do indicate that there is a strong movement er on an annual basis into the north yorkshire area and in particular the sort of area. and we do recognize there are limits on the sort of growth in that area. so erm i can give you more detailed figures on these er if you wish. i don't i don't need to . @@ -80246,20 +80176,20 @@ okay. mr . thank you sir, steven ,. keeping away fro the area of technicalities on migration. -i think we all need to bear in mind that as far as what mr said about what the approved strategy was and what the secretary of sta of state previously said. +i think we all need to bear in mind that as far as what mr said about what the approved strategy was and what the secretary of sta of state previously said. as i read the previous documents, the strategy was to bring down the rate of development in north yorkshire and that has happened. from the late seventies, to the nineteen eighties or rather from the from the seventies, not just late seventies, to the nineteen eighties, it's come down about a thousand broad terms, a thousand dwellings a year fewer being built. and we see that strategy as having succeeded. and we applaud the county council for it. it shouldn't go to their heads. -and it seems to me to follow that the migration rates which go with that lower rate are the migration rates consistent with the approved strategy. +and it seems to me to follow that the migration rates which go with that lower rate are the migration rates consistent with the approved strategy. and we don't see in principle any reason to divert from them. the second point i want to make is in relation to something that has changed since the approved strategy and that is the inter-relationship between north yorkshire and west yorkshire. i know we're going to come on to this again later. i only want to deal with it in broad terms and that is that compared to earlier e i ps where west yorkshire authorities were saying, don't take too many people into north yorkshire, as you'll undermine our regeneration to paraphrase. we now have the west yorkshire authorities saying, hang about, you're loading too much onto us, by not taking your share of migration out of west yorkshire. and that seems to me a fairly fundamental shift in the regional balance of argument and need. -i only have one small comment in the point made by consultants for the c p r e that one should place more emphasis on the environment. +i only have one small comment in the point made by consultants for the c p r e that one should place more emphasis on the environment. i'm afraid it's a negative comment. but the c p r e's evidence doesn't offer you anything to go on, save that the figures have been approached in the wrong way, cos they didn't start bottom up from the environment. and on that argument sir, the figures would be wrong whatever they are, whether they're half the amount the county council put forward or twice. @@ -80276,12 +80206,12 @@ mr . yeah. roy , house builders federation. to pick on u u up a few other points that have been made. -i heard mr say i think that it that the view of the h b f was that the county had no ra right to make reductions in migration. +i heard mr say i think that it that the view of the h b f was that the county had no ra right to make reductions in migration. that is not the h b f evidence. the h b f evidence is that we they've no right to make any arbitrary reductions in just taking er unjustified blocks. and indeed b p g twelve, under the heading of environmental considerations says that a a authorities should have regard to environmental considerations, but recommend an environmental appraisal identifying, quantifying, weighing up and reporting on the environmental and other cost benefits of the measures which are proposed. that doesn't form part of this alteration, there is no such justification and that's our particular objection to it. -in so far as a three year average is concerned, point b made by mr and erm that being taken into account the tail end of the boom. +in so far as a three year average is concerned, point b made by mr and erm that being taken into account the tail end of the boom. i have to say that the boom of the nineteen eighties was something of a myth. yes certainly in the late nineteen eighties, more houses were built in one particular year,depend depending on which part of the country you're in it happens to be different years. but the at the end of the eightee nineteen eighties. @@ -80298,14 +80228,14 @@ p p g three e paragraph one, says the planning system must provide an adequate a all seems to me and i could quote other other references from p p gs as well to support the point, seems to me that the thrust of government guidance is balance. it is a matter of providing for the right amount of development in a balanced way. it is not putting environmental considerations first, last and if there's any left over, in between as well. -er i don't wish to pursue the point made by mi mike at this stage, but i will return to it under one c. +er i don't wish to pursue the point made by mi mike at this stage, but i will return to it under one c. thank you. michael , hambleton district council. -erm i think i'd like to pick on er up on something that mr has said about the strategy underlying the er approved structure plan. +erm i think i'd like to pick on er up on something that mr has said about the strategy underlying the er approved structure plan. and also to support er mr . erm i think that certain elements of the structure plan erm strategy have been well documented er, the environmental issues, erm high priority to conservation, erm protection of the county's natural resources, of development restraint and relating the scale of development much more closely to local needs. however there's erm a further aspect of the original strategy which i would like specifically to draw to the panel's attention. -this is that the strategy of the structure plan from the beginning was to seek a progressive reduction in the rate of house-building in the county by seeking a progressive excuse me. +this is that the strategy of the structure plan from the beginning was to seek a progressive reduction in the rate of house-building in the county by seeking a progressive excuse me. a progressive reduction in the rate of inward migration. and i i'd refer the panel erm to the written statement of the county structure plan of nineteen seventy nine, erm and the section entitled, the strategic framework, paragraph three nine on page ten. which states erm the strategy envisag envisages a progressive reduction in the rate of the population growth from this source, as the supply of housing land is reduced to levels more closely related to the needs arising from north yorkshire. @@ -80313,27 +80243,27 @@ now the original structure plan recognized that because of the substantial numbe and it was going to be a long term strategy. the term, long term strategy in fact appears in a number of instances erm throughout those pages. and i'd refer you to paragraph three ten and also paragraph four two two which i'd like to quote a short erm element from. -and this states erm that its effectiveness erm must be must be considered as a long term rather than a short term objective. +and this states erm that its effectiveness erm must be must be considered as a long term rather than a short term objective. the structure plan can not be seen for providing for a major or sudden change in direction. it's essentially evolutionary in its approach . so the point erm i wish to make erm on er mr 's observations, is that it's not the strategy of the structure plan was not simply erm to seek an initial reduction erm in the rate of residential development in the county and then that roll that rate forward in progressive erm amendments to the structure plan, hambleton district council believes that the logical interpretation of these statements is that a progressive reduction er in house building and the rates of migration should be sought through subsequent alterations to the plan. now we would add that representations which seek to achieve a continuation of past building rates, or a continuation of past migration levels, are not in accord with the strategy as originally approved. finally, i'd refer you to erm the secretary of state's decision letter of the twenty sixth of november nineteen eighty where in paragraph one he takes note of the recent justification and in paragraph six four, he states that overall, the secretary of state broadly approves the main objective of the housing policies of the plan of reducing inward migration into the county. yes i'd j i'd just like to to pick up on on two points er, one made by mr , one made by mr . -erm i think er mr said i think that that c p r e hasn't actually offered a solution in this debate, just just raised questions. -i don't think that's strictly true but i do think that the discussion we've heard so far er has fully justified erm the the raising of some fundamental questions about the the the the method of projections. +erm i think er mr said i think that that c p r e hasn't actually offered a solution in this debate, just just raised questions. +i don't think that's strictly true but i do think that the discussion we've heard so far er has fully justified erm the the raising of some fundamental questions about the the the the method of projections. er and the point about not offering a solution, c p r e clearly has in in erm taking to to go on to talk about the subsequent parts of policy h one and h two, the county council's figures and then doing an analysis of those in relation to the new settlement, but i appreciate chairman that erm we'll come back to that. -mr raised the point about erm the environmental appraisal of of development plans, erm as set out in p p g twelve which is is indicative of a a a new er a new framework in which plans should be prepared. +mr raised the point about erm the environmental appraisal of of development plans, erm as set out in p p g twelve which is is indicative of a a a new er a new framework in which plans should be prepared. and and i would argue that that er an alteration to a structure plan of this significance, should should fall within the remit of p p g twelve. -my understanding of what mr was saying was that because it's an alteration rather than a replacement structure plan, that guidance no longer applies. +my understanding of what mr was saying was that because it's an alteration rather than a replacement structure plan, that guidance no longer applies. that's not my understanding of how government guidance works. peter , north yorkshire. -i think mr picked up on the points that i really wanted to address in mr 's remarks. +i think mr picked up on the points that i really wanted to address in mr 's remarks. other than to say, the secretary of state didn't limit his concern to reducing rates of development. right through the decision letters, you get two elements. the effect of excessive development on the environment in north yorkshire, and the second on is a relationship with places like cleveland and west yorkshire and the need to continue to see regeneration within those areas. -it was a much broader package of for the secretary of state than i think mr , er suggests. -the other point which mr made on the difficulties of er manipulating migration. +it was a much broader package of for the secretary of state than i think mr , er suggests. +the other point which mr made on the difficulties of er manipulating migration. and i think, quite cl clearly, there are difficulties in manipulating migration. what it does require are complementary policies either side er of county boundaries. mr , er about the policies of cleveland within their area, to retain their population by making massive allocations of land. @@ -80347,24 +80277,24 @@ now something's been said for certainly fifteen years er that i can remember. several points on the the question of migration as reported or a as included by the secretary of state in in his decision letters. the first point i'd like to make is that the original decision letter dates from excuse me, twenty sixth of november nineteen eighty. we're now thirteen years further on. -i think whilst the secretary of state has clearly said what he's said in that decision letter. +i think whilst the secretary of state has clearly said what he's said in that decision letter. i think we have to remind ourselves that that is thirteen years old and that circumstances have changed. not least in the neighbouring metropolitan areas, where urban regeneration is thirteen years old. there's substantial improvement, particularly in west yorkshire, and that does need to be taken into account. i'll go on to say that on the question of progressive migration restraint, i don't think anybody round this table is suggesting otherwise. the population projections that we have seen in front of us we h have discussed, are based upon what has happened in the county over the past eight years. that is that is where the migration projections have come from. -the these migration flows are already constrained by s existing structure plan policies. +the these migration flows are already constrained by s existing structure plan policies. i think the close co-relationship between the rate of building, rate of past building and structure plan requirements, shows that those policies have teeth. th that has been what's happened, there has been a reduction in migration flow. or or not in migration flow but in net inward migration. -these population projections we have, the hundred percent projections of the h b f of fifty five point k, of north yorkshire of forty six point two k, of of fifty four point eight. +these population projections we have, the hundred percent projections of the h b f of fifty five point k, of north yorkshire of forty six point two k, of of fifty four point eight. none of the requests for housing requirement are at that level. that therefore assumes a continuing an i an increasingly progressive restraint on migration. . -mr sorry mr . +mr sorry mr . right, er ray , house builders federation. -erm mr referred to er put great store it seemed to me on the long term effectiveness of of of reducing er building. +erm mr referred to er put great store it seemed to me on the long term effectiveness of of of reducing er building. i'd just make the simple point that a sudden twelve point five percent reduction, i referred to it this morning, er in in building, is not progressively and long term, it's a sudden change. erm and i think that erm the c p r e have most definitely misquoted what i said. i'll repeat the point. @@ -80387,20 +80317,20 @@ i merely wish to reiterate government policy, as reinforced by my secretary of s and the emphasis that government places on regeneration of the urban areas. are you going to submit that document? if you wish,by all means yes . -it seems to me to be important enough to be worth tabling if that can be arranged . +it seems to me to be important enough to be worth tabling if that can be arranged . fine fine. would you like would you like the press release? yes. please. yeah. -mr , do you want to come back on the point made on the other side of the room about your arbitrary selection of building rates? +mr , do you want to come back on the point made on the other side of the room about your arbitrary selection of building rates? i think presumably you'll be wishing at a later stage to look at what we're proposing in erm in individual districts. -and one against another. -i think the quite clearly what comes out erm of reading our papers and the papers of the district, is the er tremendous degree of consultation that's taken place on a number of occasions back and forth between district and making use of er of emerging working on er on local plans across the county. +and one against another. +i think the quite clearly what comes out erm of reading our papers and the papers of the district, is the er tremendous degree of consultation that's taken place on a number of occasions back and forth between district and making use of er of emerging working on er on local plans across the county. erm to make sure that the proposals the county council er is is putting forward are are soundly based. and we'd elaborate that when we talk about er individual districts. -i think it might be worth adjourning ask if there are any more demographic . -and start again +i think it might be worth adjourning ask if there are any more demographic . +and start again . right. i'd like to say a little bit about this table. @@ -80409,18 +80339,18 @@ mm. mhm. any more points anybody wants to make on the demographic aspects? the migration rates. -environment, i don't know whether that's later +environment, i don't know whether that's later well i think we'll probably deal with that this afternoon. yeah. yeah. -there's a harrogate. +there's a harrogate. mr . thank you, er david , harrogate borough council. er one or two small points i'd like to make. mr , er a moment ago congratulated the county council in fact on the success of the strategy in reducing migration over the last ten years or so. -he then went on to say it's not actually possible to control the rate of migration and i'm sure that the the s success of of the policy in the past shows that that that is not the case. +he then went on to say it's not actually possible to control the rate of migration and i'm sure that the the s success of of the policy in the past shows that that that is not the case. that it is possible through the appropriate use of policies, to bring down levels of immigration into the county. -er mr also made the point that er urban regeneration erm no longer seems to have the emphasis that it did have. +er mr also made the point that er urban regeneration erm no longer seems to have the emphasis that it did have. er i'm sure that the er representatives from the west yorkshire authorities wi will say that their that objective is still extremely important in the in the respective u d ps. erm it seems to me that the emphasis has changed slightly in the representations being made by the west yorkshire authorities and that they're now saying that it's much more difficult for them to accommodate housing developments within their own er districts. and that therefore, that growth should be exported to north yorkshire. @@ -80434,8 +80364,8 @@ the important point is what it means for the settlement to the environment of no and er that level of development, at five hundred hectares, is an extremely large area of land, in very sensitive locations, particularly around the main urban areas, which are restricted to a great degree. thank you. i think we'll come back to that when we start looking at the county district by district as it were. -i think miss would like to make some comment about the table, which was presented to her. -i thought you might like an for the lunch hour. +i think miss would like to make some comment about the table, which was presented to her. +i thought you might like an for the lunch hour. erm as the notes to this table indicate, it is a compilation by the panel secretary of what we believe is before us. you will have noticed there are some pregnant gaps on this table. we're not optimistic that we will fill them all, but one, we can for example talk about conversions. @@ -80452,11 +80382,11 @@ yes. yeah. yeah . this is the sort of thing we want to discuss as we go through each of the areas which we shall do under matter one c. -or one c. -but i think there must be i i would suggest to you that you sh you should request a discussion between the principle parties here to agree what allocations they're taking, whether in adopted plans or proposed plans or previous plans and what windfalls. +or one c. +but i think there must be i i would suggest to you that you sh you should request a discussion between the principle parties here to agree what allocations they're taking, whether in adopted plans or proposed plans or previous plans and what windfalls. one of the great problems of this schedule would be, the definition of the amount of windfalls, bearing in mind that many of the local plans coming forward erm are about to be produced rather than have just been produced. yeah yeah. -and i think that it is an important er qualification to this schedule that the principle parties can agree what the in inputted are. +and i think that it is an important er qualification to this schedule that the principle parties can agree what the in inputted are. indeed and i would hope our discussion of the provision within individual districts, will amend many of these figures. certainly those which are relate to the future as opposed to what has happened in the past. okay thank you. @@ -80466,7 +80396,7 @@ just a couple of of quick comments er er chairman just on the the the vacant co erm whilst the county council can provide you with some figures on vacancies at a district level, we would be very loathe to make any comment on the assumptions for conversions and windfall sites. we feel that this is very much a matter for the district councils in the preparation of their local plans, with their local knowledge which is something we do not have at the county level to be able to to make comment on . yeah. -i i i think we do accept that you probably not be able to fill those gaps. +i i i think we do accept that you probably not be able to fill those gaps. er some districts may have some knowledge. i mean hambleton for example having just produced their draft local plan, but other districts are not quite in that position. yeah. @@ -80486,14 +80416,14 @@ mr , you want to come back on that. er richard ,. very briefly, i think the county council must consider what they're going to do for conversions in windfalls. it's quite clear in in p p g three, paragraph eleven, that structure plans will make clear whether the housing provision figures include allowance from expected supply from conversions and changes of use, as well as from new building. -and for unidentified and for losses from demolitions. +and for unidentified and for losses from demolitions. the exercise must be done and should have been done by now. mm. yeah, my objective was not actually to start a debate but to give you some indication of where we were going to go this afternoon. food for thought. mr . leeds city council. -i'd like to come back to policy on migration chair, and i'm grateful to mr for pointing out that nineteen eighty is thirteen years ag away and things have moved on in every respect demographically. +i'd like to come back to policy on migration chair, and i'm grateful to mr for pointing out that nineteen eighty is thirteen years ag away and things have moved on in every respect demographically. in development terms. we've even got a new planning system. and i venture to suggest we've got new guidance from the secretary of state. @@ -80517,9 +80447,9 @@ thank you. i unless anybody has got a mr . erm er -and mr second. +and mr second. just a just a very brief point. -erm it relates to er something that mr said erm for er for leeds city council, that circumstances have moved on. +erm it relates to er something that mr said erm for er for leeds city council, that circumstances have moved on. i would suggest that indeed they have moved on erm since erm the original er decision letter of the structure plan. one area in fact that circumstances have moved on is erm on environmental awareness. i think that erm all would agree that now there is greater er concern than ever before about environmental issues. @@ -80534,16 +80464,16 @@ erm and we would suggest that in the light of these new environmental erm of the thank you. mr . -just to er the leeds point, er it is actually a stated aim of the leeds development plan to make adequate provision for the communities housing needs during the plan period, by identification of sufficient land for new dwellings, targeting of some provision for social housing, need groups and support for renewal of the existing stock. +just to er the leeds point, er it is actually a stated aim of the leeds development plan to make adequate provision for the communities housing needs during the plan period, by identification of sufficient land for new dwellings, targeting of some provision for social housing, need groups and support for renewal of the existing stock. and then further in the plan, it deals with the er migration issue, and it says, new household t new household total still assumes that a substantial amount of housing will need to be met outside leeds as a result of net outward migration from the district. net out movement of the order of twenty seven thousand, eight hundred people is assumed over the period nineteen e eighty six, two thousand and one. equivalent to around eleven thousand households. the loss is a little below the strategic guidance figure of thirty thousand two hundred and also represents an improvement over the historic trend. this is consistent a more optimistic view of future economic performance that is appropriate in the light of the counties economic strategy. -and that and on the economic strategy which is u d p based. +and that and on the economic strategy which is u d p based. there's a clear implication there, that the u d p policy is moving in the dire the same direction as the cleveland policy is moving. and that is to make provision for its own population and to claw back economic development er within the boundaries of the area. -mr that was a long quotation, can you submit +mr that was a long quotation, can you submit it's in it's in. my submission on that point is no can you submit the doc a copy of that paper the document. @@ -80551,8 +80481,8 @@ yes yes i can. it's an extract from the leeds u d p. yes i understood that. our notes weren't that fast. -i have i have read it elsewhere and not necessarily having read the doc the whole of the document of the leeds u d p but on that note, since leeds leads would you like to -yeah, could i just er respond to mr and say, this is not the public enquiry into the leeds development plan. +i have i have read it elsewhere and not necessarily having read the doc the whole of the document of the leeds u d p but on that note, since leeds leads would you like to +yeah, could i just er respond to mr and say, this is not the public enquiry into the leeds development plan. er obviously we will er justify our position at that public enquiry. er i'm simply talking about a level playing field. what is the framework within which we are operating at the moment. @@ -80562,7 +80492,6 @@ and er if if it's appropriate for north yorkshire to apply environmental constra and that will just lead to planning chaos because obviously somebody's going to fall between the plans. thank you for r p g. on on on that note, can i suggest we adjourn for lunch, meet back here at two o'clock, prompt start. - sounds of the seventies bit depleted today. alright, it's alright @@ -80575,7 +80504,7 @@ the, the black on black album. you want to see the agenda? we can i well i the agenda's even better. -i wrote it on orange paper in blue ink and it all went horribly wrong when i photocopied it so i've put an agenda on there right. +i wrote it on orange paper in blue ink and it all went horribly wrong when i photocopied it so i've put an agenda on there right. becky do you mind being taped? we can't have mm? @@ -80583,7 +80512,7 @@ any matters arising from minutes. being taped? do i mind being taped? no we can't have any that's like readable. -that's alright, it's all anyway. +that's alright, it's all anyway. well, near enough. resemble him. man @@ -80596,7 +80525,7 @@ yes. we're being recorded be excited. she's very excited. -no, no i'm +no, no i'm are you coming to one seat tom? right. probably easier to write who's not here. @@ -80612,7 +80541,7 @@ what are they like? ? could you all sort of pass that round . over there er -you can just look at the periodic erm +you can just look at the periodic erm right erm andy. right. er first, @@ -80630,46 +80559,46 @@ shall i put my name? mhm. we'll have an ap apology straight off. can i have a pen please? -is it today? +is it today? andy? right apologies. has anybody got any apologies do you want to put that? with them? yeah. -well er julia what's her name,, can't attend cos she's having a reaction, in chemistry. +well er julia what's her name,, can't attend cos she's having a reaction, in chemistry. have you got a pen? i might have actually. -and er -tony something's arose suddenly and er +and er +tony something's arose suddenly and er and fallen. and had to run away, sort of. wanker . i need a wee. -right er plenty of minutes so i'll, i'll quickly read them out, and then if anyone's got any matters arising they know what +right er plenty of minutes so i'll, i'll quickly read them out, and then if anyone's got any matters arising they know what er number one wentworth are booking both not goodricke. -number two, i sent off a letter saying about people not coming and er wentworth haven't sent a i dunno. +number two, i sent off a letter saying about people not coming and er wentworth haven't sent a i dunno. oh. -er shall we affiliate to the christian union. +er shall we affiliate to the christian union. i haven't been able to get any tickets for the word as yet. er bookings, that's been sorted out. gossip scandal, vanbrugh bop is being heavily restricted. er but in actual fact, it's like a major thing here, but he did very well. would you like to make a small report on that, mr vanbrugh? -er yeah erm the smoke machine thing we got away with now, we went to see them. +er yeah erm the smoke machine thing we got away with now, we went to see them. and er use our smoke machine as long as the porters can see how many are in the bop. long as the porters can see their own hands . erm yeah. basically, yeah. it went okay went down to four hundred people in the whole area instead of five, but apart from that. -the, the bloke, the health and safety man said it was all okay. +the, the bloke, the health and safety man said it was all okay. well, except for the will, will your take actually increase for four hundred? no, cos before that you were -you always could get away five +you always could get away five you were allowed five . so y your limit has now been set at five? yeah. @@ -80679,9 +80608,9 @@ hurray. oh excellent. very well done. thanks very much. -so sort of general appreciation to vanbrugh for having their act together. +so sort of general appreciation to vanbrugh for having their act together. yeah. -i think they deserve an +i think they deserve an round of applause. right. any other business? @@ -80691,11 +80620,11 @@ why? pardon? dates . do you wish to -what like dried up, dried grapes prunes that are no longer in top condition. +what like dried up, dried grapes prunes that are no longer in top condition. okay, so if you're all gonna make a note of this right. by the way. -the quiet period starts on the eighteenth of may and it goes right through until the twenty first of june. +the quiet period starts on the eighteenth of may and it goes right through until the twenty first of june. right er okay that's the quiet period. er alcuin want twenty fifth anniversary but nothing's come about that has it john? @@ -80712,11 +80641,11 @@ right has anyone got anything they want raising from that list? no. frank. number two, electrical safety. -i've had a letter and er there's various lists of people you might all have got one eventually, i don't know, but it's from the university engineer. +i've had a letter and er there's various lists of people you might all have got one eventually, i don't know, but it's from the university engineer. and it's about the free electrical checks for electrical gear. -and it says the remaining dates for the free inspection and testing of equipment have been cancelled. +and it says the remaining dates for the free inspection and testing of equipment have been cancelled. with all due respect to those who intended to avail themselves of the free offer, the first two appointments were not met with sufficient organization to permit cost-effective equipment testing. -my staff were faced with untidy heaps of apparatus apparatus in equipment rooms, and received little or no help from the student representatives so and then it sort of flabbers on a bit saying they're +my staff were faced with untidy heaps of apparatus apparatus in equipment rooms, and received little or no help from the student representatives so and then it sort of flabbers on a bit saying they're not happy. i do hope that positive arrangements are made to contact me in writing and that we can continue to work together to provide safe working conditions. please accept my apologies if you're already working towards this arrangement of the new cancelled dates . @@ -80734,12 +80663,12 @@ we could we could deduce them if they don't own up. i dunno. it's just i imagine it was derwent, i mean it mightn't have been derwent. -yeah, well like please do take this seriously because it's, it's quite important as regards to insurance and having as vanbrugh proved last weekend,y we can do a good job with your stuff put together, and if like someone got fried, then you may end up in trouble. +yeah, well like please do take this seriously because it's, it's quite important as regards to insurance and having as vanbrugh proved last weekend,y we can do a good job with your stuff put together, and if like someone got fried, then you may end up in trouble. and they wouldn't be happy. personal. the electrical man -from langwith. -stevie cos he tried to fry himself the other week +from langwith. +stevie cos he tried to fry himself the other week yeah. if you're, you're plugging in and it sparks, @@ -80752,17 +80681,17 @@ right. er number three i had a phone call, oh i forgot the term planner. never mind. i have seen it though, it should be good. -i had a phone call last er yeah tu monday night from warwick university who were organizing a conference at the youth hostel association in york. +i had a phone call last er yeah tu monday night from warwick university who were organizing a conference at the youth hostel association in york. friday, saturday and sunday, week nine. they're like, obviously that's like the first weekend of the holidays, and they wanted to book the p a and some stage blocks. and i suggested charging them like sixty pounds for the three nights. because with it being what, per night? -well, he was on a, aye he was going on oh how i hate +well, he was on a, aye he was going on oh how i hate what a band. never mind about the hank wangford band. er but i said i couldn't give him a definite quote for a price, because i wouldn't have the committee. -now normally like three nights would be a sort of +now normally like three nights would be a sort of off campus. off campus. we'll be getting two hundred @@ -80783,7 +80712,7 @@ did you sign both? yeah. okay. woman might want to slap her name down. -so with it being another student union and it being like a conference in aid of the homeless and that, i didn't really want to sort of give them a load of grief so i suggested about sixty pounds. +so with it being another student union and it being like a conference in aid of the homeless and that, i didn't really want to sort of give them a load of grief so i suggested about sixty pounds. er does anyone have any comments on this, with it being money for ents in general? well, it's money we wouldn't get otherwise isn't it? it's money you wouldn't get cos it's in the sort of holidays. @@ -80793,7 +80722,7 @@ no, no . er well tony's going to deliver it and pick it up on the monday. oh that's all right. and i said he'd have to pay extra for the minibus hire. -t to shift the gear, cos he wants a couple +t to shift the gear, cos he wants a couple and obviously, they'll have to still give the deposit. yes. yeah. @@ -80810,11 +80739,11 @@ the the booking isn't in warwick is it? no. no. in york. -right er number four er the national entertainments conference organized by the n u s. i have since secured some money from executive committee to send two representatives to this committee, and it's in the last week of the summer holidays. +right er number four er the national entertainments conference organized by the n u s. i have since secured some money from executive committee to send two representatives to this committee, and it's in the last week of the summer holidays. i was sort of hoping any other people who were interested in standing for re-election might have came along to this committee to show their support. support, and interest in entertainments, but obviously they've not turned up. -ah +ah mm mm. interesting. mm. @@ -80836,9 +80765,9 @@ when's glastonbury this year? june. er it's the twenty sixth of june. yeah it seems a bit early though. -yeah so do you want to sort of make a decision now, or wait till next week or +yeah so do you want to sort of make a decision now, or wait till next week or where is it? -it's in oxford brookes university, which is probably oxford poly +it's in oxford brookes university, which is probably oxford poly it used to be oxford poly, yeah. i know someone who went there. fifty pounds plus vat plus travelling and then you sort of tick in er various boxes if you're a vegan or er @@ -80895,11 +80824,11 @@ want a free weekend out? in oxford. in oxford. yeah, well -right, well, me and andy will go then. +right, well, me and andy will go then. that'll be a laugh. no, i'm busy. i'm washing my hair,me hair. -yeah, but will you get to meet all high-flyer +yeah, but will you get to meet all high-flyer record company executives. yeah you're bound t you're bound to get on the telly then, man. it'll help your quest for stardom. @@ -80911,7 +80840,7 @@ barry white might be there. never mind about barry white. right, number, we'll come back to that next week, number five the post van. on my way back from ents committee last week, erm the internal mail bloke was delivering some gear to computer services, and he left the back of the post van open. -and there was a stage board in the back and when i said , what's that doing in there? +and there was a stage board in the back and when i said , what's that doing in there? he said oh we use them as ramps. heavy gear. and i'm a bit distressed at this, cos they're not designed for @@ -80920,9 +80849,9 @@ aye i think we ten quid a day. i think we ought to er and -write to them +write to them there was a lot of trouble early on this term when people couldn't find stage boards, and like they were all missing and it turns out that they're like the -the university +the university have claimed one. at least one. at least one. @@ -80939,7 +80868,7 @@ yeah, every day is ten pounds a day sort of thing. yeah and, and back pay. and we either want them back or we want, or we want money to buy some new ones in addition. -yeah, because the ones that we've did cost like i think it was +yeah, because the ones that we've did cost like i think it was eight hundred ei pounds. @@ -80959,7 +80888,7 @@ they should send a representative to committee for grilling. aye. head, head of postmen? -head of internal mail +head of internal mail come. right, any other business. has anybody got any @@ -80974,18 +80903,18 @@ which, which oh, that bit. erm derwent? give us, give us the tale julia. -okay, the, the tale is that in january i booked derwent dining hall for a barn dance next week and got a phone call yesterday but i wasn't there and she rang back this morning,said oh i'm very sorry, i'm very sorry, but you can't have it, i'm very sorry . +okay, the, the tale is that in january i booked derwent dining hall for a barn dance next week and got a phone call yesterday but i wasn't there and she rang back this morning,said oh i'm very sorry, i'm very sorry, but you can't have it, i'm very sorry . on and on. so i said you know we've got p and p out, we've started selling tickets. erm we haven't bothered to book a stage because derwent has one, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. -and then later on, oh and then she was going to see room bookings and try to find me another dining hall cos i said it's pretty late notice, and she said oh no, it's a week and i thought well i had booked it two months ago. +and then later on, oh and then she was going to see room bookings and try to find me another dining hall cos i said it's pretty late notice, and she said oh no, it's a week and i thought well i had booked it two months ago. well, it's a week for both of you. not just a week for you. well that's it. what she'd had was a double-booking, effectively, cos she'd had this dinner which was meant to be in the private dining hall, but the numbers had suddenly shot up, and because they'd said originally they wanted either the private dining hall or the main dining hall depending on numbers, she should have really booked them both and decided later and told me to like try somewhere else, but she didn't, she told me yeah the dining hall's free. off you go sort of thing. -erm but then she rang back later, i don't know whether she contacted room bookings to try and get me a dining hall, but she said they might be able to have their dinner in the s c r. so that's alright, i'm okay. -if not has any one booked the for next wednesday night? +erm but then she rang back later, i don't know whether she contacted room bookings to try and get me a dining hall, but she said they might be able to have their dinner in the s c r. so that's alright, i'm okay. +if not has any one booked the for next wednesday night? i don't want to book them now, but i'd just like to know. i don't think so, no. right, i'll leave it for now. @@ -80996,7 +80925,7 @@ erm for, for like it's her mistake, it's not the fault of the other people not booking, cos they had said they might want the main dining hall. no but they're still giving, yeah but the priority -but it's +but it's and, yeah. yeah. for tho for those that, for those that missed that er, last year alcuin j c r booked kingmaker as part of their massive big mega-media global world tour. @@ -81006,7 +80935,7 @@ and it wasn't even the same day, but the day after, and as a result, er a man ca who we don't like. who we don't like. er -and who's descended from the . +and who's descended from the . is he? gosh. ? @@ -81014,7 +80943,7 @@ yeah. oh there you are. yeah, anyway, he comes that's amazing. -from gladstone and gannon, and er he gave an awful lot of people at the s u and at alcuin j c r a lot of grief over the provost, who then wrote them a letter saying i, jim am the fault of all this and just generally made the students look even dafter for +from gladstone and gannon, and er he gave an awful lot of people at the s u and at alcuin j c r a lot of grief over the provost, who then wrote them a letter saying i, jim am the fault of all this and just generally made the students look even dafter for as though they just couldn't organize . they just couldn't organize anything and as a result that's why we'll probably never get kingmaker or the ned's atomic dustbin. or anybody else from gladstone and gannon. @@ -81029,7 +80958,7 @@ mm. we could dance round them, there'd be enough space, you know. well offer the, offer the forty people reduced tickets for the barn dance. but it's the way she's saying oh i'm so sorry but i have to go back on it when she's agreed to something. -write a letter or not? +write a letter or not? well i think it's been done that's the problem. yeah, well well, i'll write a letter obviously if she doesn't @@ -81047,18 +80976,18 @@ the private dining hall assuming their numbers would be quite low. so it may not be a problem with room bookings it's probably a problem with jo . mhm. yeah. -had problems with her before . +had problems with her before . it's just the principle of the thing that a booking's a booking, whoever yeah. yeah. whoever might have done it. if you've booked it, then you should get it, -i mean just because it's next +i mean just because it's next doesn't mean it should get priority. yeah, well she was going on about bringing lots of money into the college but she might have to pay two hundred and twenty quid for a barn dance band if she's not careful. yeah, well i think that she, yeah, they would be liable for that. -didn't i mean the same, same sort of thing happened when wentworth put on the twenty fifth of may, that a week before sheila said er oh you're not having this. +didn't i mean the same, same sort of thing happened when wentworth put on the twenty fifth of may, that a week before sheila said er oh you're not having this. and that's it and the contracts had been signed and everything and it was ha. most painful and dangerous. @@ -81071,7 +81000,7 @@ you have our full support, i'm sure. right, anybody got any bookings? oh i've got some any other business. erm -oh alright +oh alright could we have it minuted that erm derwent get a couple of p a hires free from . okay, yeah. ah well we'll discuss this. @@ -81090,7 +81019,7 @@ no it wasn't two hours late it was. it was an hou cos -it was an hour late, which it was late enough for us to not to know if it was coming, so we had to go and get another p a, otherwise we'd have gone to get, there was no other option. +it was an hour late, which it was late enough for us to not to know if it was coming, so we had to go and get another p a, otherwise we'd have gone to get, there was no other option. we waited because the band were supposed to be soundchecking at six. what, what time did the band @@ -81131,7 +81060,7 @@ no. no. we left here at half past five. an hour after we were supposed to meet you. -is that, is that don't want to cause any hassle,but you know +is that, is that don't want to cause any hassle,but you know can't i like cut the baby in half? what i mean? well i wasn't there so i don't know. @@ -81139,7 +81068,7 @@ how much how much did it cost you to hire the one hundred and fifty. hundred and fifty pounds. plus also . -no loads more. +no loads more. so you spent a hundred pounds more? yeah. than we would have done. @@ -81155,7 +81084,7 @@ it's, but then you see that's not just a question of two free goes, it's all wel yeah. two free goes, but this involves two nights by john. yeah. -two nights +two nights two nights out of john's like busy project yeah. time. @@ -81163,7 +81092,7 @@ you've got to bear this in mind. it's not as simple as you can have the p a, because you need someone to set it up. well give them the hundred quid then. yeah. -i know +i know but we haven't got a hundred pounds to give them. yeah we haven't got any money. yeah, @@ -81195,7 +81124,7 @@ yeah i realize that but the thing is if we'd had a phone call to say look, we're yeah, well i wasn't then we'd have been alright. i wasn't there, so i don't know. -something that if ever, ever sorted out the bleeper hopefully in future i'll be on bleeper, and then if that sort of thing happens +something that if ever, ever sorted out the bleeper hopefully in future i'll be on bleeper, and then if that sort of thing happens bleep me but it'll still, yeah yes i mean fundamental point. @@ -81226,7 +81155,7 @@ well i do think that the porters ha should have a key. and i think they sh be but the porters have also got the problem that they don't want to let just anyone no, well what i was about to say -was that you could, you could give them then if we know it's going to be certain people, we can give them names. +was that you could, you could give them then if we know it's going to be certain people, we can give them names. i mean you know the, if you give the porters a form, they'll mm. give you a key for the minibus. @@ -81235,12 +81164,12 @@ now if you give the porters a form for a p a, mm. they'll give you a key to the p a cupboard. i mean, you know, -you might find +you might find i mean i can take a form up to the porters in goodricke and they'll give me a key to a minibus. -would that actually have solved anything, because if you hadn't turned up, they'd have still been without a p a. +would that actually have solved anything, because if you hadn't turned up, they'd have still been without a p a. well we're not saying that we wouldn't have turned up it's just that we were unable to turn up. but we didn't know. -yes +yes no, i know that i know that. but, i mean so that's all we're saying that . @@ -81251,7 +81180,7 @@ yeah. have known you'd have been late, and we wouldn't have panicked. yeah, but at that time we were s trying to speed back to york breaking all known records. -i think i think +i think i think i actually did it in record time. yeah. and i fell asleep. @@ -81259,11 +81188,11 @@ and he fell asleep. went into a warp factor, just like on star trek. come on, settle down. settle down, okay? -right, why don't we erm give derwent two free bookings, you know bookings that have already happened or are about to happen for free, +right, why don't we erm give derwent two free bookings, you know bookings that have already happened or are about to happen for free, mhm. -erm explore the key +erm explore the key off the slate that you -explore the key issue with the porter, and erm, hopefully get the bleeper sorted out or something , so that there's some system for shaking things up. +explore the key issue with the porter, and erm, hopefully get the bleeper sorted out or something , so that there's some system for shaking things up. come down to a room and demand the absolute the absolute fundamental problem is thes thes is that there's not @@ -81280,7 +81209,7 @@ you're a third year student trying to do projects, it's can you not train anybody else up? well, i've said i'll get trained up, yeah, well i mean -i've, i've got to finish off this term's work +i've, i've got to finish off this term's work you see there's peo the people have got commitments and they're not wanting to take them on. and then there's other people that can do it, but, you know, people only come for like every couple yeah. @@ -81300,7 +81229,7 @@ mm. it's getting expensive then. why don't you ask one of the equipment reps if they can't . -it's already been proved that they can't +it's already been proved that they can't yeah, i mean in writing now. i mean it isn't an easy thing @@ -81328,49 +81257,49 @@ yeah. and we lost about forty quid. and we yeah. -wondered if we could get some money from the students +wondered if we could get some money from the students what, this, this is a bop put on by what was it, a f a m s was it? no it was just it was just us. and the money was g gone missing. what us, though? just a group of people? riot girl. -it's not erm any society or anything it just . +it's not erm any society or anything it just . right. i don't think -you'll any money out of the student union. +you'll any money out of the student union. sorry? i really don't think you'll get any money out the student union, and you won't get any money out of ents, because ents is bankrupt. to put it bluntly,any money. if you're a society you might get, you know, -you should +you should societies grant. -we're not a society yet, so i mean thinking about that, we have tried to become a society before. -i think +we're not a society yet, so i mean thinking about that, we have tried to become a society before. +i think for a start we haven't any money. but er just to try to be a so try to become a society, and then make, make it clear you do have a debt. mhm. -what and +what and i mean rave soc get away with it all the time. -it's just if you come finance committee +it's just if you come finance committee oh we know about that, problems like being , so do you think we can become a society with a debt? -you can become a society +you can become a society yeah, and because you can then use your erm what's it? m r g. m r g to try and pay off some the debt, if such a thing ex -i don't know -if you can manage to get an m r g. +i don't know +if you can manage to get an m r g. yeah, one potential problem with that is that finance committee have allocated all the society grant mm. money. lot of money. yeah. yeah. -well, now the thing is, right what i've thought might be like a good thing, er cos we all like entertainments, is like if riot girl were to become a society, +well, now the thing is, right what i've thought might be like a good thing, er cos we all like entertainments, is like if riot girl were to become a society, well we're trying to. yeah. and everyone round this table could like join. @@ -81382,9 +81311,9 @@ and could get into bops free. and that would give you a bit of ready cash, and also it would give you a standing to try and get something from finance committee. you see i mean you, basically you need to get a lot of people i know there's no money in finance committee at the moment but -i'm sure that could be rectified ultimately. -i think you've come to really the wrong committee to try and get money . -you've come to the wrong committee to try and get like a cash handout, but er we do appreciate the problems of putting on entertainments, and bops on campus. +i'm sure that could be rectified ultimately. +i think you've come to really the wrong committee to try and get money . +you've come to the wrong committee to try and get like a cash handout, but er we do appreciate the problems of putting on entertainments, and bops on campus. in a big way. a four figure way. probably more, probably more so than any oth anybody else on campus, yeah. @@ -81406,12 +81335,12 @@ ooh. it was carried. yeah, get it in. right -can i please? +can i please? yes,. you get a societies pack, and have to fill all these names in. well we could -yeah well -get a photocopy of one of these lists, and be alright. +yeah well +get a photocopy of one of these lists, and be alright. yeah get a photocopy of this. hang on.? it's about . @@ -81420,7 +81349,7 @@ you can vote. i'll bring it back. i'm not on the committee. doesn't matter, still in the room. -stand in for any committee member, if you +stand in for any committee member, if you oh that's true, that's true. you could be standing i can think of several. @@ -81429,7 +81358,7 @@ right, is there any more bookings? yeah. goodricke. -can we book the p a every monday that's free next term? +can we book the p a every monday that's free next term? every monday? every monday until the quiet period. @@ -81440,7 +81369,7 @@ when, when, when is it free next term, when is the p a free next term? i've made a new term planner actually but i've forgotten to bring it. it's never free, it always costs you ah! -er well, shortly after alcuin decide mondays is a dead loss and +er well, shortly after alcuin decide mondays is a dead loss and alcuin's really good for one thing. would do. one two three nine. @@ -81448,12 +81377,12 @@ can we leave it no. because we . m and monday's the last day. -i know, that's +i know, that's you can only have weeks one two and three. weeks one two and three? what dates is week three? erm -three week +three week twenty twenty six, three and ten. yeah. why can't they have week four i thought ? @@ -81467,12 +81396,12 @@ yeah. whoo, very exciting yes? okay. -right, any more booking +right, any more booking is the p a free thursday week ? week? thursday week two . oh. -it might be out all +it might be out all thursday week two. er, yeah. er well could we have the p a and lights, we might be having an event @@ -81492,12 +81421,12 @@ erm, well you'll have to wait, we're busy now. come in and join us. join the festivities. -right, so your event week two? +right, so your event week two? yes. mhm. right -is that like just a bop or is it -people, and bands on campus, campus bands. +is that like just a bop or is it +people, and bands on campus, campus bands. okay. and you're j c r? yeah. @@ -81514,7 +81443,7 @@ well it will, because i'm, i'm taking it with me when i leave, i'm sorry. right then,. right, okay. can we just get it clear, has goodricke bop now changed to monday, or is this not a permanent ? -well as long as we can't get it on a tuesday . +well as long as we can't get it on a tuesday . cos we've got it. yeah. yeah. @@ -81526,11 +81455,11 @@ yeah, erm we've, the amnesty's booked the p a for week three, friday week three. for the jazz thing? for the jazz concert. yeah. -erm, last year, we were given it for free, erm +erm, last year, we were given it for free, erm right, i remember, yeah. -and someone and we've now been told that we have to pay for it, and i +and someone and we've now been told that we have to pay for it, and i yeah, i, i organized a cut price deal for amnesty. -right, can we organize next year? +right, can we organize next year? well, that was for it, wasn't it? that was there was only booking amnesty ? @@ -81541,7 +81470,7 @@ last year's and there was this year's. and this year we're doing it for about half price or something. i knocked, yeah, i knocked about twenty pounds off. it's already done. -how much erm sorry i didn't +how much erm sorry i didn't amnesty have already had a free booking. they've had a yeah. @@ -81549,7 +81478,7 @@ free booking? well, a cheap yes. booking. -i gave them a was it this term? +i gave them a was it this term? they have had a free booking. wasn't the alcuin bop was it? no no. @@ -81561,7 +81490,7 @@ we said we wouldn't charge them for the stage blocks. and we gave them cos they wanted the blocks and the boards. right. -and i said thirty five +and i said thirty five yeah. pounds instead of fifty five. right. @@ -81575,14 +81504,14 @@ right. er, and we weren't very busy, so it wasn't such a fag. er thank you. -you you your -just the same as the +you you your +just the same as the i know i didn't realize did i? don't make me take two . -well, maybe they have, is that what you want, i mean i'm not i mean +well, maybe they have, is that what you want, i mean i'm not i mean er what're you after? -you can always seek financial help from the executive because they can give money out campaigns selective. +you can always seek financial help from the executive because they can give money out campaigns selective. well, no, you can ask them. but what you are saying is you're not going to give it for free? that's correct. @@ -81591,15 +81520,15 @@ ents won't, ents, ents won't give it for or you can pay full price somewhere else. free because they're too mhm. -bust +bust like a hundred and fifty pounds. but if you go and ask executive, they might give you money, cos they're kinder in there. -they've got money more solvent than us. +they've got money more solvent than us. they're richer than us. we've got a big hole to fill,and it's getting filled in forty pound lumps at the moment. right. . okay. -is there any any other business? +is there any any other business? right well now, the secret bit, this happens to be john's birthday, and i've got a cake. great. @@ -81624,7 +81553,7 @@ they already get special dispensation. have to go to executive committee to discuss that.. well again it's i don't think it's allowed. -i think you should +i think you should i don't think they'd ever let a men's committee yeah. a men's society. @@ -81644,11 +81573,10 @@ don't forget to vote for somebody tomorrow in the election. somebody. . yeah, i'd stay until later as well - -to take you further on in your about nationalization. +to take you further on in your about nationalization. er had it been something that you'd long sought after you know, like like in the mines where it had been an issue for some years? you know, during the war years ? -er well nationalization during the war, the er nationalization and war news were interspersed you know, i mean the when you hadn't any war news to talk about, you spoke about nationalization. +er well nationalization during the war, the er nationalization and war news were interspersed you know, i mean the when you hadn't any war news to talk about, you spoke about nationalization. after the war we'll get nationalization you see. but that was er er a a faint hope. before before we could get nationalization, we had to get a labour government. @@ -81660,7 +81588,7 @@ and we learnt of course the minds of various other big heavy industries. do you recall nationalization being an issue that was talked about in the work place, you know was it talked about in the buffets and in the union meetings and yes. erm firstly i mean,du during the war in particular? -during the war well while the war as going on nationalization was brought up in the buffets by what we would term now, the activist or militant labour people. +during the war well while the war as going on nationalization was brought up in the buffets by what we would term now, the activist or militant labour people. they were always broaching that subject, nationalization. because they believed and they got me to believe at the time, that nationalization would be the cure for all our ills. it would cure unemployment, it would give the workers control of their own industries and that everything would be hunkydory. @@ -81676,7 +81604,7 @@ okay? and that's why at that time, near the end of the war,and when the talk of nationalization become greater, the hope of nationalization because as i said before, never in our wildest dream did we think that labour would get in with such an overwhelming majority. but the the the railway stock was in such a bad state, that that's when people started the real activists of the labour movement really started talking about confiscation instead of compensation. because there was a great tory voice sounded throughout the press and the mass media you see, that er on compensation for the railways, if there ever should be nationalization that they had to be amply compensated you see. -and then they come in the labour activists come in with this, no compensation, confiscation, the was worth tuppence you know. +and then they come in the labour activists come in with this, no compensation, confiscation, the was worth tuppence you know. but i don't know how it was, but it came about that this confiscation business was dropped just as soon as we labour got into power. that the government got into power, that seemed to be put aside, confiscation. no we had to be fair, was the saying, for the leaders. @@ -81691,14 +81619,14 @@ well was workers control a prominent part of people's thinking on this like? it was a prominent part of people's thinking, worker's thinking. that they had more say in the running of their industry of the railway. -now the first disappointment in that respect was the appointment now i may be wrong but i'm i'm i'm s i think i'm right here the appointment of the chairman of the railway executive, that's what it was first called. +now the first disappointment in that respect was the appointment now i may be wrong but i'm i'm i'm s i think i'm right here the appointment of the chairman of the railway executive, that's what it was first called. it wasn't called the railway board. the first chairman i'm sure it was, lord robbins alf robbins. a labour minister. now i might as well say it here, at this point that alf robbins was just another social democratic party member. that's what he was on that at that time. and this is forty eight, nineteen forty eight. -he was a right, right and ultra right labour party, and he was made the first chairman. +he was a right, right and ultra right labour party, and he was made the first chairman. now i knew him for what he was as a right softly softly. you know, all things to all men man. but he was our he was on the national executive. @@ -81731,12 +81659,12 @@ after nationalization, there was quite a number of university graduate appointed without any railway experience. they read up the transport laws at university and all that transport and everything. but they had no practical experience you see. -and i remember one, a yorkshireman he was appointed yardmaster of portobello yard,and where i worked. +and i remember one, a yorkshireman he was appointed yardmaster of portobello yard,and where i worked. the three yards that were under him. and he had assistants at each yard you see. he was a hale fellow well met sort of yorkshireman you know, a bluff yorkshireman. a nice enough chap and he was knowledgeable in theory you see, but when it come to the practical experience and the practical doing of the work, he would just say, well what did you do the last time jimmy? -and i said like this. +and i said like this. i would tell him. well do the same. you see? @@ -81780,7 +81708,7 @@ yeah. before people twigged if you like, that what had actually happened amounted to hardly anything more than a change of sort of managerial personnel. er is that how you you saw it? -aye well you see when we did twig,the great deception you know, and it's worthwhile recalling here that we had richard marsh i think he's a title now sir richard marsh. +aye well you see when we did twig,the great deception you know, and it's worthwhile recalling here that we had richard marsh i think he's a title now sir richard marsh. he was another labour great labour mouthpiece. another s d p man see. lord beeching, a tory tory. @@ -81788,7 +81716,7 @@ he came and he just slashed the railways you see. it seemed that they were either capitalist or social democrats which i mean a social democrat by any other na a tory by any other name's just the same. i mean there there's no difference. as i've said before you're either red or or blue or black and white. -but anyway, the railways there was a spurt on between in the late sixties on the railway and that's when i think i was sure, not only because i was a branch secretary at the time but i'm sure that all the british railways there was a greater awareness of the fact that we had been deceived by the word nationalization. +but anyway, the railways there was a spurt on between in the late sixties on the railway and that's when i think i was sure, not only because i was a branch secretary at the time but i'm sure that all the british railways there was a greater awareness of the fact that we had been deceived by the word nationalization. it wasn't anything like workers control as we had expected. it was just old natio old private enterprise, private railways back in, only there were no different region, there were no l m s, l n e r, g w r or that. they were all one. @@ -81803,15 +81731,15 @@ and it was all about er, now that th we're nationalized railway nationalized, it there'd be no l n e r, no l m s, see. well that was the only two railways that affected us. the l n e r and l m s. and er i could see then that i knew that superintendent in the private days of the railways. -and few years, and yet he said a long face, if you wasn't you wasn't happy with the thought of running a district that was nationalized see? +and few years, and yet he said a long face, if you wasn't you wasn't happy with the thought of running a district that was nationalized see? but it as it turned out he needn't have had no fears. see? -because he was just doing the same job as he'd been doing under the private under the l n e r. management were more conciliatory when nationalization came on. +because he was just doing the same job as he'd been doing under the private under the l n e r. management were more conciliatory when nationalization came on. see in pre-nationalization days, a superintendent was the big chief. when he appeared in the yard, you had to jump it. the red carpet literally was out for him you see. but after nationalization, it was obvious, when he did put in an appearance or and that was very rare, there wasn't the same palaver for his visit. -he would just came and went into the yardmaster's office and had a word or two with him and then he would maybe ask to see the staff local representative and the local committee. +he would just came and went into the yardmaster's office and had a word or two with him and then he would maybe ask to see the staff local representative and the local committee. and he'd have a word, er how's everything going along? alright and er you're quite happy with things as they are and that? and that would be the extent of his visit, he would have a cursory look round the yard and away. @@ -81830,13 +81758,13 @@ well the there was a new machinery of negotiations set up. and strangely enough, the branch, the branches were not in the machinery of negotiations. they were excluded from the negotiations. but what happened was, if a member of my branch had a complaint, he would come to me as secretary and complain. -and i should have told him, if you've any complaints, come to the branch meeting and make your complaints there. +and i should have told him, if you've any complaints, come to the branch meeting and make your complaints there. but er i knew that it wasn't poss always possible for one to be at the branch meeting you see. so anyway, that was it, you had to go to your branch and complain, make your protest in writing, see, and the branch secretary would reply to your letter okay, and they'd ask for maybe a few more details about the complaint. -and then he would take that complaint, if the branch committee approved it, you see, or nine times out of ten if the branch secretary thought it was a valid case, he would send it in a letter to the sectional council. +and then he would take that complaint, if the branch committee approved it, you see, or nine times out of ten if the branch secretary thought it was a valid case, he would send it in a letter to the sectional council. you see, from portobello branch to the sectional council scottish region. er stating the case you see, stating out the case. -and urgent you know on it immediately see. +and urgent you know on it immediately see. well that went to the secretary of the sectional council, and that's when the negotiating machinery of negotiation started. it would maybe take they held meetings ev the sectional councils held meetings, every three month, every quarter. now there were sectional councils in every region you see, for different regions,scotland . @@ -81850,30 +81778,30 @@ the sectional council minutes, the minutes would come out, and they were di dist and you would see the case of er er j , head shunter , protests at being superseded for yard foreman's job at . see? well of course the branch secretary would give all the data, information regarding that, you see, and why s as a protest why he shouldn't have been superseded you see. -and er invariably it would come out, the reply not conceded. +and er invariably it would come out, the reply not conceded. or t protest not susp not sustained you see. it was amazing, i think you had one about a hundred conceded. so much for the n u r and a s l n f. although i will say, the driver's union, the a s l n f, their sectional council got more from their anyway, than did the n u r . i'm sorry to say. -because well i don't know they seemed to be more active. +because well i don't know they seemed to be more active. more interested in the real issues you see? on the railways and the conditions of their members. but that was a fact under the sectional council number three, the one that i was represented by, they seemed to be poor. or the management seemed to be better, okay? -but then if that not conceded or protest not sus sustained, that would the letter would come back to the official letter would come back to the branch secretary you see, and he would look at it, and he would put it to his branch and if they wanted to go further, that went to euston house, the n u r headquarters, euston house. +but then if that not conceded or protest not sus sustained, that would the letter would come back to the official letter would come back to the branch secretary you see, and he would look at it, and he would put it to his branch and if they wanted to go further, that went to euston house, the n u r headquarters, euston house. for the to go forward to the r s m c and that was railway staff national council. that was held in london you see, the headquarters. management, top management and the n e c or the n u r and that's when it went to there and it was discussed and dealt with at that level. there was another higher body, like an arbitration council,dealing with railways, but er that was very seldom used. it was more for wage negotiations and various other conditions of service, general conditions of service, not individual. i'd like you to just summarize your your your feeling on on nationalization. -er that kind of idea that er you know, whether any changes at all that you thought that you appreciated er in that made workers feel that they were in fact a more important a more important part of their industry? +er that kind of idea that er you know, whether any changes at all that you thought that you appreciated er in that made workers feel that they were in fact a more important a more important part of their industry? just to summarize your feelings on nationalization . aye. well i don't think we felt any more important, at the beginning, we had great hopes you see, on nationalization, but they quickly faded you see, and we were soon lulled into a sense of hopelessness. very soon you know, months rather than years. we knew that right away that there were there were no future. -here labour government by the appointment of lord robbins, and one of calibre who couldn't care less. +here labour government by the appointment of lord robbins, and one of calibre who couldn't care less. he gave me more more decisions against the workers than he ever gave for them. and er he wanted the railways to be run, like clockwork. without any concessions at all. @@ -81889,7 +81817,7 @@ there was one great hero, in that nineteen forty five government and that was ni he seemed to me and many others, i think we were in common agreement, most of the people that i was associated with, that ni bevan was the only man that really cared you know, he really cared. he came from wales of course, from the valleys and that. and er i heard him speaking twice when he was in edinburgh, wonderful orator, but not only that, you see we have neil kinnock, present day, good orator, good articulate . -but he lacks the intensity of feeling that ni bevan had, he lacks it. +but he lacks the intensity of feeling that ni bevan had, he lacks it. i mean the the caring feeling oozed out of ni bevan. when he introduced his national health service, a wonderful scheme, everything was free, it was paid of the taxes you know, as it should be as beveridge envisaged you see? ni bevan took it up, introduced it, put it through parliament, and then lo and behold, it was running wonderful wonderfully well. @@ -81899,7 +81827,7 @@ aye oh, this was the greatest thing the greatest thing that could have happened because prior to that we only had the lloyd george nineteen eleven scheme. where the wage earner only got free dental treatment and free medical treatment you see. the wife and family the wife and family didn't the wife and family didn't er benefit in any way. -the worker paid his contribution and that was for own benefit. +the worker paid his contribution and that was for own benefit. shocking when you think of it isn't it, your wife and family. you had to pay them five shillings a visit to the doctor, and then your spectacles or any dental treatment you got, you had to pay for them. a shilling a week you know you had to pay out. @@ -81939,14 +81867,14 @@ er i wanted you to maybe describe some more of the responsibilities and duties y i mean, making up the rosters for instance. er how was that done and how were they handed out and that that kind of thing? aye well you see there was a a local departmental committee, of which i was the employees' employees' side, of which i was secretary. -and it was a responsibility of the l d c. it was the management's side and the workers' side combined. +and it was a responsibility of the l d c. it was the management's side and the workers' side combined. their responsibility was to see that the rosters were properly worked out you see. and er inevitably of course, we always fell to the secretary you see. and i used to make out the rosters. . and then soon after that, the rest day, the five day week came out you see, where you got a rest day every week. and it was the l d c who were responsible for making out the rest day rosters you see. the top management didn't bother about that, they know left it to the local you see. -as long as it didn't you see. +as long as it didn't you see. now it was strange at the time, i only represented the shunters and the guards and the lower grades, i didn't represent the supervisors, yard inspectors at the time. but the yard one of the yard inspectors came to me and said, i wonder if you would make up a roster for the supervisors . of which there were six, seven. @@ -81967,7 +81895,7 @@ then of course, suggestions was another thing for the improvement in working pra there was always there were always adverse against the management. the management were always against carriage cleaners getting a rest day, they didn't think they needed one. imagine, because they were a lower grade they'd meant nothing you see. -so i made out a roster, and there were over a hundred carriage cleaners at and i made out a roster for them. +so i made out a roster, and there were over a hundred carriage cleaners at and i made out a roster for them. rest day rosters. and i put it to the some of the women and men cleaners you see, how would like a rest day roster? oh that would be wonderful, that'd be great. @@ -81981,78 +81909,78 @@ won't get it. i said, well we'll have a go anyway. well it took about six month with me arguing and arguing and arguing. oh it would take too many spare people rest day . -so, oh aye, they take about twelve rest day staff, extra staff to allow it. +so, oh aye, they take about twelve rest day staff, extra staff to allow it. well i got it whittled down to six extra. and i settled for that. you see, and it was a just a bit of a trick, i was putting in the rosters you see. now duty rosters, trains, all the different trains that have got to be clean you see, and i was putting in ten minutes less than really would be required you see, and that saved er hours you see, saved hours. and i brought it down to half a dozen staff. -it was a bit of a twist but the management didn't notice it. +it was a bit of a twist but the management didn't notice it. or they didn't care. and it was conceded. -that er the railway wasn't satisfying my my my needs. +that er the railway wasn't satisfying my my my needs. you see, when i became an inspector on the railway eventually,it was like a fire being damped down. you see? and that's when i felt that i wished i had of went for a career in the trade union or i felt that had i done that, i would have been satisfying something that was there. that's always been there. however it was too late then. i had made my decision and i'd taken the first step. -now the first step was from as i said earlier, i had stayed too long at i thought. +now the first step was from as i said earlier, i had stayed too long at i thought. with my family growing up i was needing more money and er that's when i decided i would apply for a foreman's job at . well to cut a long story short, and bear in mind the fact that seniority and everything took precedence over e everything else, all things being equal. er i got the job at . -i was quite interested in that actually because you you did imply at an earlier stage that er although seniority was the the important principle in ge in gaining promotion, er there was no harm done if in your favour you know. +i was quite interested in that actually because you you did imply at an earlier stage that er although seniority was the the important principle in ge in gaining promotion, er there was no harm done if in your favour you know. aye. er . -well what with my at , for years at , i had made my mark, not only at but throughout the east of scotland with trade union activities and various other things. +well what with my at , for years at , i had made my mark, not only at but throughout the east of scotland with trade union activities and various other things. and i'm not sure whether i was the senior man or not. -i assumed i was the senior man but one of my mates, a very good pal of mine to me, a senior shunter, he says, oh you'll get the job, they'll be wanting to get rid of you jimmy. +i assumed i was the senior man but one of my mates, a very good pal of mine to me, a senior shunter, he says, oh you'll get the job, they'll be wanting to get rid of you jimmy. you see. well anyway, i don't know what was true or not or what what was right, but i thought i'd got it through seniority and we'll leave it at that. -i got the job at and i'd had e i'd had experience, i knew that going to was no problem. -cos was a small small . +i got the job at and i'd had e i'd had experience, i knew that going to was no problem. +cos was a small small . compared to . was about ten times the size of it. -and only catered for street station, which was a small station, it was being run down at that time, street station. +and only catered for street station, which was a small station, it was being run down at that time, street station. see this was after the nationalization and the policy of the railway executive at that time was to instead of two stations in one town, they were all they were reducing it to one station you see. -and was the most modern station so it was obvious street was on the way out. +and was the most modern station so it was obvious street was on the way out. however, that would be a few years, take a few years before that happened. -so anyway i got to and i was amazed at the opposition i got from the two or three staff shunters at . -you see, to let you understand, this was maybe about four or five years after nationalization and prior to nationalization of course, was under the l m s, street station and were under the l m s and was under the l n e r. but when i arrived at , i heard them talking about the callie see, the callie railway. +so anyway i got to and i was amazed at the opposition i got from the two or three staff shunters at . +you see, to let you understand, this was maybe about four or five years after nationalization and prior to nationalization of course, was under the l m s, street station and were under the l m s and was under the l n e r. but when i arrived at , i heard them talking about the callie see, the callie railway. that was pre-l m s, see, caledonian railway. now that shows you how far back they were and how how their thoughts ran. and they called me an n b man, a north british railway man. -where i was a l n e r you see. +where i was a l n e r you see. so the the their thoughts were away in the past and they hadn't moved i thought and i learned later that my thoughts were correct. they hadn't moved with the times. -they were still doing jobs at that were long since dispensed with at you know, marshalling and that and methods that adopted and the shunting techniques. +they were still doing jobs at that were long since dispensed with at you know, marshalling and that and methods that adopted and the shunting techniques. but what amazed me as i said before was their antagonism to strangers. it's laughable but at the time it wasn't laughable but when you think back, this man that i was put on with, he was acting guard foreman. -he come from he was . +he come from he was . and er he thought he was the bee's knees you see, he thought he knew everything about railways. because he knew the job at . -and er he wouldn't tell me which you see there's there's things in the railway in every place in every job there's er dodges you know. +and er he wouldn't tell me which you see there's there's things in the railway in every place in every job there's er dodges you know. and techniques that are peculiar to that job. but he didn't tell me that and i knew there would be you see, but he didn't tell me these things. however, it took me two or three weeks to learn them, to pick them up. for he wasn't clever enough to hide them, exactly, he stumbled through you see and and er of course they they were exposed you see, for all to see. and i was there with my ready eyes to pick them up. -er for instance, he would get a message the phone would ring and he would answer it. +er for instance, he would get a message the phone would ring and he would answer it. he always rushed to the phone, he wouldn't let me answer the phone you see. always rushed to the phone. -and he would get a message from er street station from the station inspector. +and he would get a message from er street station from the station inspector. er he wants two two or three coaches for this and that and for a special to liverpool you see, he'd need it later that afternoon. and er he wouldn't tell me what the message was you see, he would just say, well go across to the other yard and shunt out a couple of coaches you see. wouldn't even tell me the coaches you know. and we'd go across and i would help him to couple up the various coaches and that. and we'd shut them out shunt them out and then we'd collect the two coaches and take them over to the main yard, and put them under a cleaning platform you see for the cleaners. -and he would go away, he wouldn't say, come on we'll go down to the cleaners and tell them , he would go away himself you see. +and he would go away, he wouldn't say, come on we'll go down to the cleaners and tell them , he would go away himself you see. and i wasn't a sheeplike person you see, i didn't follow him i just let him go. and er then i would see the two two or three cleaners coming out and going on to the coach and cleaning them, and i would say to them, what are they for? -oh er they're for some job at street, they're wanting it for some job or other. -didn't even tell me it was for a special train for er liverpool you know. +oh er they're for some job at street, they're wanting it for some job or other. +didn't even tell me it was for a special train for er liverpool you know. to go to carstairs and connect with the glasgow portion to liverpool. -and that went on for two or three weeks you know, and i said to the the station master at when he came across on his once a week visits he would come across. +and that went on for two or three weeks you know, and i said to the the station master at when he came across on his once a week visits he would come across. how are you getting on jimmy? he would ask. i says, och, this is a a toy place it is. this is not a railway. @@ -82062,24 +81990,24 @@ what do you mean? what do you mean? he says. i says, well er we're going about here, the two shunters are going about here and they're vying with each other to see how much they can ignore me. -i says, why let me go on see i was getting about a month learning you see. +i says, why let me go on see i was getting about a month learning you see. i says, i'll go next week this was after three weeks, i says, i'll go on next week and i'll take over the job of yard foreman, and i'll do it the way i want it done, not the way that . do you think you'll be ready for that? i says, i have been ready for the last week. i says, a fortnight at this place is long enough to pick it up. i says, so i want to cut the ordeal short, i says, and i'll go on next week. that were three weeks you see. -oh well, i'll tell er street then. -well i got word from street that er i was to take my full month you see. -that was er this chap who answered the phone, aye that's er street saying you can take the full month for learning. +oh well, i'll tell er street then. +well i got word from street that er i was to take my full month you see. +that was er this chap who answered the phone, aye that's er street saying you can take the full month for learning. and i says, give me the phone then. what are you doing? what are you i says, i'm ringing. was that the station master aye. -so i got onto the sta i says, hello is that the station mr ? +so i got onto the sta i says, hello is that the station mr ? yes. yes. -i says, this is j at er . +i says, this is j at er . i says er, i want to go on as yard foreman next week. oh you're supposed to . i says, aye, but i'm fed up with this i says, i'm learning nothing. @@ -82089,11 +82017,11 @@ so i took on as yard took on as yard foreman on the following monday. much to the resentment of the other you see. and i didn't go about it in a bombastic way or anything like that, i just gave them their orders you see, the two shunters. i says, what we'll do, first of all you know, we'll go across to the other yard and shunt out so and so and so and so. -you see you used to get a a sheet from street for the week's work. +you see you used to get a a sheet from street for the week's work. and then any extra specials that come up in the meantime, they would send out send out a wee typewritten sheet you see. so that's where i got my instructions, very simple no bother at all. so i took over from then and er i just ignored what they was you know. -we usually this way and that way. +we usually this way and that way. i said, ah well we've got to be different. i says, we're doing it the right way, the proper way now you see. and er well things got on and er gradually i had . @@ -82101,18 +82029,18 @@ and they were had no alternative but to accept it. well i was there about eighteen months and i was still active as a branch secretary for the n u r, the portobello branch. and er there was two or three or the carriage cleaners, men and women at , who er were in edinburgh number one branch of course. and er they used to come to me and ask things about what they should do and did i think they had a claim for this and that you know, and i used to tell them you see. -but i forget the exact date it was fifty o two or fifty one or fifty two but the n u r were threatening a strike to strike over a wage claim. +but i forget the exact date it was fifty o two or fifty one or fifty two but the n u r were threatening a strike to strike over a wage claim. they'd been offered something, two or three percent and they's rejected it and they were threatening strike action. and er their members were agreed to strike action. they'd taken a ballot and the members had agreed. -and er i wrote to the no we'd taken the decision at the portobello branch th that sunday that we support when we supported the executive decision, the strike for our just demand you see. +and er i wrote to the no we'd taken the decision at the portobello branch th that sunday that we support when we supported the executive decision, the strike for our just demand you see. and this got out, seemingly to the news. the edinburgh evening news. -and i was working at this day and being a monday or a tuesday after the mo sunday meeting. +and i was working at this day and being a monday or a tuesday after the mo sunday meeting. and one of the reporters came out and er he asked me he's heard that our decision was to go out for a strike you see. well edinburgh number one were noncommittal. they just said they would support any action the executive took you see. -but portobello branch went further they were urging you see, the national executive committee, to take industrial action immediately you see. +but portobello branch went further they were urging you see, the national executive committee, to take industrial action immediately you see. this is what they believed the news were out for you see, a statement. and i says, you come into the foreman's hut, to the reporter i says, and i'll give you a statement. see i says, i'll give you the the resolution that was adopted at portobello. @@ -82120,17 +82048,17 @@ i says, and i'll add something else, the secretary's view. and again i wrote it out for him you know, wrote it all out. now, i says, er i'll read it out to you. he says, that's what i want. -so you know, and there was quite a big column, there were one column in the edinburgh evening news, and it's in my my wee red book there. +so you know, and there was quite a big column, there were one column in the edinburgh evening news, and it's in my my wee red book there. at portobello branch you see, urging the national executive to take immediate action in support of their claim for so and so . -so this er oh was great news for the carriage cleaners and . +so this er oh was great news for the carriage cleaners and . and they were wanting to some of them anyway wanted to join the portobello branch. i said, no no. i says, we're all one union, i says, it doesn't matter what branch you're in, i says, this is your area you see. -however, things went on very well at after that. +however, things went on very well at after that. i was accepted after about three month or four month you know, i was accepted as one of the it's interesting though that that you talked about that sort of identifying with the old companies, even in the nationalization days. aye. -was that a common thing was that something that i presume +was that a common thing was that something that i presume i unders it wasn't unique to . i understand that this was pretty common, quite common throughout british railways, it took a few years to to knit together you know, the nationalization and the fact that we were just the same railway after that. @@ -82138,23 +82066,23 @@ you see. the l m s used to be the biggest of the railways you see. and er they thought they were the big cheese you see,th th th those who worked there . but er they were no better than and no worse than the the others either. -. however, after about eighteen month at , as a yard foreman, as i say i was still branch secretary of portobello branch, and carrying on as usual, er i put in for there were this yard inspectors job wanted at street station. +. however, after about eighteen month at , as a yard foreman, as i say i was still branch secretary of portobello branch, and carrying on as usual, er i put in for there were this yard inspectors job wanted at street station. and i applied for that job, and i got it. -now yard inspector at er street station, seemed a there were there were va there were only f half a dozen sidings, outside the station at street, see. -outside the platform and er as i said before, it was like , they only had small trains you know, five coaches was the biggest train they had you know. +now yard inspector at er street station, seemed a there were there were va there were only f half a dozen sidings, outside the station at street, see. +outside the platform and er as i said before, it was like , they only had small trains you know, five coaches was the biggest train they had you know. and that was the liverpool. the rest were maybe three or four coaches. -because they went from s from street station. +because they went from s from street station. to the edinburgh, at least the scotland passengers, to carstairs to connect up to the main glasgow central to liverpool, birmingham and there were all these places. and london. -so it was quite a simple job and of course, as yard inspector at street, my job was to see that the s platforms were always when one train left you had to put the other train in to get the shunters to shunt another train into the empty platform you see, for the next the next shunt and that and if a train came in from carstairs you see, you seen that the pilot and phoned the signalman, let the pilot into number five dock. +so it was quite a simple job and of course, as yard inspector at street, my job was to see that the s platforms were always when one train left you had to put the other train in to get the shunters to shunt another train into the empty platform you see, for the next the next shunt and that and if a train came in from carstairs you see, you seen that the pilot and phoned the signalman, let the pilot into number five dock. but er it was quite a simple job and er i liked it, then now and again i used to walk down to the station master's or the station inspector's office you know, have a chat with him and and get the gen on what was for the weekend working you see. and er they had a quaint a queer way of working. -which the head station inspector was an old chap douglas was his name. -dougie we called him. +which the head station inspector was an old chap douglas was his name. +dougie we called him. and what dougie said, that went for the rest of them. they all kowtowed after dougie you see. -because he was the you know,anyway,this day i was just standing blathering away to dougie and one of the inspectors says, er the monday holiday, this would be the friday the previous to the monday. +because he was the you know,anyway,this day i was just standing blathering away to dougie and one of the inspectors says, er the monday holiday, this would be the friday the previous to the monday. er on monday the edinburgh holiday, now er i'll need for the birmingham, will we need an extra coach for that? and dougie would say, just a minute. and he'd look up a book. @@ -82172,20 +82100,20 @@ if it was only one for the liverpool ex you know, one extra for the liverpool, y what an qu antiquated way of working. you know. but anyway it seemed to work all right so. -and that's how they they got their +and that's how they they got their were there a lot of these er particularly amongst the older men and the and the inspectors and that that kind of thing, were there a and you've talked about , a lot of the old ideas were still aye. persistent. -did you find that so many it took a long time for change to take place +did you find that so many it took a long time for change to take place oh aye. aye. -you see th at every station, every depot, on british rail, there were always one man thrown up as being the one who knew everything. +you see th at every station, every depot, on british rail, there were always one man thrown up as being the one who knew everything. you see. the leader. everybody looked to this person for guidance see. and that in itself was a form of antiquity you know, it it it is it went back to the old days you see. and it it was laughable you know, at times. -when you asked phoned up say from from the yard at street, and asked an inspector, the shift er the man on the shift, er what about er tomorrow? +when you asked phoned up say from from the yard at street, and asked an inspector, the shift er the man on the shift, er what about er tomorrow? saturday. do you not think we'll need another extra coach on the the manchester? or something like that. @@ -82195,10 +82123,10 @@ and i'll let you know. that was the style of it, they couldn't see, couldn't make up their own mind. they were afraid to ta but if they'd had that if they'd told me to provide an extra coach for the manchester as i was suggesting, dougie would have come out and taken strips off them for you see. i i it was a queer queer thing but that's what happened. -that's what happened, not only at street but other places . +that's what happened, not only at street but other places . but more so at the ex-callie. with the ex-callie, they took longer to adapt to nationalization i think, than the rest of the railway. -however er i got quite friendly with a signalman at er street. +however er i got quite friendly with a signalman at er street. the signal box was just up er where i was stationed you see. and er there were some great characters among the signalmen. but they too were er old fashioned in their way. @@ -82211,7 +82139,7 @@ we don't want to upset the working and . they wouldn't if you suggest anything you suggested anything to expedite the working,you're wasting your time, wasting your breath. they would go on their own merry way you see. because that's how they'd done it twenty years ago, and that's how they're going to do it till they retire. -so it were no good fighting against them i mean they i used to let them please theirself you know, and er just because they were quite happy to go along that way. +so it were no good fighting against them i mean they i used to let them please theirself you know, and er just because they were quite happy to go along that way. i was gonna ask you that, you you moved into er more a a more supervisory capacity when you aye. moved into the foreman and inspector jobs. @@ -82240,13 +82168,13 @@ and i would say to him, look joe, you know what to do with the buckeyes, i say, and you,, you're good at the vestibules, the canvas vestibules you know, concertinas like. i says, you get them coupled up and i can rely on you to get them right you see. well that's how i i played my shunters. -now i found that i got results that way. +now i found that i got results that way. and i could rely on them because they were good at that job you see, particular job. and i used to tell them they were good at it. and that satisfied them and it satisfied me. and i got on swimmingly with them. -the same with the signalmen, i would go up to the signalman and tell him, well on the other shift you know, they would have left that train away first, before they left that other one in you see. -ah but no not on my shift. +the same with the signalmen, i would go up to the signalman and tell him, well on the other shift you know, they would have left that train away first, before they left that other one in you see. +ah but no not on my shift. my shift we do it this way. you see. and you got to know all these things, you got to know the peculiarities of what they liked best doing you see, and everything like that. @@ -82259,7 +82187,7 @@ and that satisfied me. they were never never any hassle. on my shift you know. and i just don't know . -do you think it was important that er or do you think your experience coming though the was important? +do you think it was important that er or do you think your experience coming though the was important? oh invaluable. that was aye. you see, coming right up from coal boy and lamp-man you know, porter, signalman and parcel porter, leaving parcel porter, yard foreman and then shunter, guard foreman. @@ -82273,7 +82201,7 @@ aye. you see, when i became yard inspector, the staff soon got to know that they couldn't kid me, they couldn't kid me you see. because i knew their job, i'd done their job you see. each one of their jobs i'd done except the carriage cleaning of course, but of course that was a straightforward job, cleaning carriages. -but shunters and all the rest i'd done their job. +but shunters and all the rest i'd done their job. i'd come up the hard way you see. and i knew the tricks of the trade. so there were no good in the fighting against me. @@ -82282,23 +82210,23 @@ i could tell at a glance whether the job was done or not. in fact i could hear the click of the b buckeye coupling. and the ring the bell you see. and i would say, i'd maybe be about twenty or thirty yards away from the coach, and i'd say to the shunter when he come out, that buckeye's not caught. -you'd better go back and uncouple the and split it again and set the buckeye. +you'd better go back and uncouple the and split it again and set the buckeye. the jaw's open . i could even tell thirty thirty or forty yards away just by the ring see. if it was caught. if if it hadn't caught, it was a dull sound you see, a thud. -whereas if it caught, there were a cling a ring you see. -so these wee things i i knew and er my staff soon found you see that well they just had to go along and do the job as it should be done, you see, and they were no good at kidding me that it had been done, for i used to examine everything that was done you see. +whereas if it caught, there were a cling a ring you see. +so these wee things i i knew and er my staff soon found you see that well they just had to go along and do the job as it should be done, you see, and they were no good at kidding me that it had been done, for i used to examine everything that was done you see. if i gave them an order to couple up a full line of maybe ten coaches, i wouldn't take it for granted that they'd done it, i'd walk up the coach, one walk up one side, down the other side and i wouldn't if there were a heating valve not open, if they forgot that you see, i wouldn't do it for them, i would go back and i'd say, that s k third from the back end, the heating valve is not pulled down, you've missed it, you'd better when you're up that way, just pull it down you see. so that was if i'd done it you see, that was spoiling them. so it was the likes of that and these things that got me to know my staff and got my staff to know me. and there were no hass building a relationship with your building a relationship, that's right. -and there were never any cause for arguments or never any rows or arguments and that, and no shouting and bullying and er no that started at er at er street as a yard inspector. +and there were never any cause for arguments or never any rows or arguments and that, and no shouting and bullying and er no that started at er at er street as a yard inspector. and er well i was there for eighteen month as a yard inspector. and i enjoyed it, it was quite good, i got on well with the staff. -and er then there was a vacancy that was a class three inspector's job at yard inspector's job at street. +and er then there was a vacancy that was a class three inspector's job at yard inspector's job at street. so the the inspectors were actually graded as well. graded. they were er a grade five, that was the lowest inspector, grade four but eventually the grade er five and four were done away with. @@ -82306,19 +82234,19 @@ but anyway, that was a grade three i was in. and there was a grade three carriage cleaning inspector advertised for . so i thought i'd put in for that, it was a lateral move you know, but still it was getting back to my depot and nearer my home. so i put in for that and i got that. -and er well the carriage cleaning well a carriage cleaning inspector you just, looked after the carriage cleaners and seen that the coaches were right you know and walk along the and examine the coaches after they'd been cleaned you see. -and if they weren't properly done, you'd tell the forewoman that that wasn't in such and such a coach in compartment was needing under the seats were needing cleaning . +and er well the carriage cleaning well a carriage cleaning inspector you just, looked after the carriage cleaners and seen that the coaches were right you know and walk along the and examine the coaches after they'd been cleaned you see. +and if they weren't properly done, you'd tell the forewoman that that wasn't in such and such a coach in compartment was needing under the seats were needing cleaning . she would tear into her staff you see and get it and then er an along the corridors you know, there's ledges up above the doors as they slide into each compartment. and i used to go along with a well a finger you see and, that's not been dusted you see. and er just tell the forewoman . that was it. but you were responsible. -you see, when the trains arrive from at waverley, and heard that er one superintendent and gerald was his name, he was a great boy for going down to waverley to meet trains coming from . +you see, when the trains arrive from at waverley, and heard that er one superintendent and gerald was his name, he was a great boy for going down to waverley to meet trains coming from . maybe once a month at that you know, and occasionally just to catch, to see if the trains were properly cleaned you see. and he used to take his white handkerchief out, and go along the corridors and above these, up on these ledges, with his white hanky. imagine imagine a white hanky. and go along with it. -and if it was dirty, he would go back to his office and phone and phone the yard master and say, so and so coach dirty. +and if it was dirty, he would go back to his office and phone and phone the yard master and say, so and so coach dirty. i've been i've been intending to ask you actually about the about the women workers. er you you've mentioned them off and on quite a few times er that there mm. @@ -82327,11 +82255,11 @@ yes. er how did you find them as workers e in given that there weren't many women at that time er in well a a manual working environment if you like. -at aye and even at , there was one woman in charge of them. +at aye and even at , there was one woman in charge of them. there was a woman in charge of the women workers. they called her a forewoman you see. and most of the forewomen see there were one on each shift, three shifts and then there were f a middle shift, a nine to five shift that was four forewomen. -now the carriage cleaning inspector had a good job if he went about it the proper way. +now the carriage cleaning inspector had a good job if he went about it the proper way. now i never if i was going through a train or going down a platform, and there were two or three carriage women carriage cleaners you know,i wouldn't speak to them about their work. i'd maybe have a chat chat with them you know, personal like. but i wouldn't talk to them about their work. @@ -82344,7 +82272,7 @@ my job, my contact was the forewoman, you see. so therefore there were never any hassle or or arguments and the forewoman got her place, i gave her a place you see. and she in turn supervised her her own women staff you see. so it was as simple as that. -is er the fact that carriage cleaning was probably considered a low grade i think you'd have felt it was +is er the fact that carriage cleaning was probably considered a low grade i think you'd have felt it was aye aye. was there any feeling amongst the men that er it was not only a low grade, but it was done by women if you if you like? no you see, the women cleaners done the interior of the coaches, and the male carriage cleaners did the exterior, the brushed you see. @@ -82366,35 +82294,34 @@ so there were a distinction in that respect and there were never any trouble. and there were never any fights that i had that i can remember between men and women or anything like that. there were squabbles and shouts and screams with women tearing each other you know. tearing each other 's hair but of course the forewoman would come on the scene and she would settle it. - we need you in a semicircle and the best way to do that is to push your chairs roughly around that grey line there's a nice swivelly one erm you pass those round in either direction, from now on it's, it's bandage time. denise is going to do bandaging and i'm going to do bandaging and so are you, so you have these packs and these packs, if you'd like to take one pack each, i don't know if there's a pin in them, you might find a pin in there -please look after them and bring them back each day, you'll find a bandage and a roll of bandage in there and so their your own properties -in your text book you've got quite a lot of information in there about reinforcing, what we're going to do in the practical session and it's always a help i think when you have a lot of the, thrown at you to know that you can just put it up and there it is if you get a bit confusing or can't remember what's what, so on page one six nine it starts telling you all about nursing and bandages and general hygiene which we've already talked quite a lot about but it's very useful for you to know, you can go there and look, and if you just go through the pages from there on one seventy, one seven one, one seven two, one seven three and then on one seven four it's got the general rules for applying bandages apply bandages when the casualty is sitting or lying down, you always sit your casualty down and you work from the front of, i say why do you work from the front of the thing? +please look after them and bring them back each day, you'll find a bandage and a roll of bandage in there and so their your own properties +in your text book you've got quite a lot of information in there about reinforcing, what we're going to do in the practical session and it's always a help i think when you have a lot of the, thrown at you to know that you can just put it up and there it is if you get a bit confusing or can't remember what's what, so on page one six nine it starts telling you all about nursing and bandages and general hygiene which we've already talked quite a lot about but it's very useful for you to know, you can go there and look, and if you just go through the pages from there on one seventy, one seven one, one seven two, one seven three and then on one seven four it's got the general rules for applying bandages apply bandages when the casualty is sitting or lying down, you always sit your casualty down and you work from the front of, i say why do you work from the front of the thing? so you can keep so you can see how they're looking, see if they're going pale a bit or if they're going to fall off their chair and talk and reassure them. -that's right, erm always make sure that the injured parts are well supported bandages should be firm enough to do the job and large enough to cover the wound all of this is the sort of thing which you need to be referring back to if you're in any doubt. +that's right, erm always make sure that the injured parts are well supported bandages should be firm enough to do the job and large enough to cover the wound all of this is the sort of thing which you need to be referring back to if you're in any doubt. on page one seven five you've got how to check the circulation, after you've put the bandage on to make sure it's not too tight, it's not stopping all the blood supply, press a fingernail if there's only a finger nail and the, it should go white of course if you press it, then the blood should go back and it goes back pink again or an area of er skin, always check your circulation after you've put your bandage on. now when you've actually opened your pack you'll find, what you got your triangular bandage here. now i'm going to show you now how you going to put it away again, fold it, afterwards, opening it up alright, everyone open their bandage up? -now when it's opened it's useful as a sling, two sorts of slings we're going to do, high sling and the low sling but also if you fold it, it's very useful as a bandage too, if you put it across your knee, then you bring the point up towards you like that and then again, fold it the base up to the top again . +now when it's opened it's useful as a sling, two sorts of slings we're going to do, high sling and the low sling but also if you fold it, it's very useful as a bandage too, if you put it across your knee, then you bring the point up towards you like that and then again, fold it the base up to the top again . and again face up to the top and there you've got a bandage, okay? one stage before that you've got a very broad bandage which is helpful for supporting things, we'll learn about how to use that later. when you've got it to the final fold there you've got your ordinary fold bandage and if you want, pack it away like that, you bring the end in the centre, there, so and again the ends in to the centre, just so that they meet like this, like this the centre, just so that they meet there, again, start like this, ends just to meet in the centre don't overlap them too much and again bend into the centre and you've got a nice little pad, if you ever need a pad for plonking on a wound quickly, there you've got a pad, or putting against an ear or anything you want it for and you open it up quickly and you've got a bandage, two of those and you've got a but it's a very handy way to keep. -when you've got your bandage in your pack, i've explained to you before, you open it up in the first aid kit it's sterile, yeah, you open it up by the -one hand goes one way, one hand goes the other, break it open, put the cardboard away and you need to be ready to try before you pull the next bit off don't you because as soon as you've opened that it's not sterilized any more, so you open that up and you find, unwrap it +when you've got your bandage in your pack, i've explained to you before, you open it up in the first aid kit it's sterile, yeah, you open it up by the +one hand goes one way, one hand goes the other, break it open, put the cardboard away and you need to be ready to try before you pull the next bit off don't you because as soon as you've opened that it's not sterilized any more, so you open that up and you find, unwrap it unwrap it as i showed you before with the first aid kit, -comes out first and then you see how the padding because this wadding is stitched onto the back, and the front is the bit you put against the wound and you put it straight against the would without +comes out first and then you see how the padding because this wadding is stitched onto the back, and the front is the bit you put against the wound and you put it straight against the would without or touching it and that pad should be big enough to cover the wound, so you should something, overlaps, alright, and then if you find, if you unwrap the roll a little bit further, you don't want to unroll it completely, your see that if while you're using it in practice you need to roll it up again backwards towards the back of the bandage like so, we'll roll it up again, backwards and when you get to the bandage you just fold the bandage up around the long end and wind the short end round it firmly and there it's ready for use again in practice, you wouldn't of course do that for real would you? put away, use another one. so that's how you look after your bandages and all these things that we're going to show you you'll find in those little sections in your first aid book so if you get confused or why you've only got to look up in the book. let's do the sling first. -i thought we'd do the sling first, high sling because it's very important to get it high and not pull it, everyone, anyone gets asked to do the high sling in their exam and if you can put a good high sling on you're halfway to passing +i thought we'd do the sling first, high sling because it's very important to get it high and not pull it, everyone, anyone gets asked to do the high sling in their exam and if you can put a good high sling on you're halfway to passing mm and from that it can't be bad can it? so i'll be the casualty and at the moment we won't worry about all the various things you use a high sling for, we just want to make sure that you can actually do it, okay? @@ -82424,7 +82351,7 @@ mm, mm got a bit that's fall down hello we haven't finished yet, haven't finished. now you're gonna want a pin, these are rather small pins, i recommend that peop people who have got large hands try and fit their first aid kit out with large pins, they're much easier to handle, but firstly they do not put pins in their mouths for obvious reasons, either, either have it on the table open ready or just pop it in the front of shirt while you do this bit, okay? -so you're going to fold this around the elbow to give support to the arm and in this one you're gonna fold first of all forward and then back, can you see that little neat envelope? +so you're going to fold this around the elbow to give support to the arm and in this one you're gonna fold first of all forward and then back, can you see that little neat envelope? a neat little envelope that's supporting quite firm, that's supporting the elbow, now pin it, again, now you can see how important it is not to have lots and lots of bandage up here, cos what will you do with it then? it's too much, if you ever have too much you can just fold a bit down, if you have a big bandage you can fold either of those edges down first if you've got too much and then you fold it forward and back, now your pin sticks in, but all the material and out of all the material and it goes in a straight upward direction, again it must go in that direction so that if per chance it comes undone it falls out and drops on the floor, whereas if it was sideways or downwards it would open and stick in your casualty, so that's why we have it done that way. would you like to see that again or do you think you could manage it now? @@ -82435,7 +82362,7 @@ and i tell you what we shall do we shall change arms we'll change arms as well you'll need to practise on both arms. and there's no use getting in the exam on thursday and say ah well i'm afraid i've not done it on that arm so erm lost -okay, so there you are you see, you're, you're a first aider and you come up to the person and you hold it the way you did last time and you think ah, now that's the wrong way round of course, there's my elbow point, there's my injured elbow, so i have to be that way round, mm, so you turn it round the other way, right, your elbow shape goes to the injured elbow and your long line goes straight up and down the line of the body, you arrange it so that you only just covering the forearm there, with just enough above the hand to tie your reef knot that would be too little and that would be too much just enough above the hands to tie your reef knot, the first thing you do is to tuck nice, big bit of material right under the hand and anchor it into position, just keep that resting there and all the rest of this goes under the arm up between the shoulder blades there and you tie your first half of the reef knot just above the fingers in the hollow of the neck here, now that's important because round the back here if you press on that bit of muscle there, there's a big band of muscle, if you've got a knot on that it gives a great deal of discomfort very quickly so you want to get the knots round in the hollow here that doesn't hurt your casualty, there, draw it up half the knot, is that tight enough? +okay, so there you are you see, you're, you're a first aider and you come up to the person and you hold it the way you did last time and you think ah, now that's the wrong way round of course, there's my elbow point, there's my injured elbow, so i have to be that way round, mm, so you turn it round the other way, right, your elbow shape goes to the injured elbow and your long line goes straight up and down the line of the body, you arrange it so that you only just covering the forearm there, with just enough above the hand to tie your reef knot that would be too little and that would be too much just enough above the hands to tie your reef knot, the first thing you do is to tuck nice, big bit of material right under the hand and anchor it into position, just keep that resting there and all the rest of this goes under the arm up between the shoulder blades there and you tie your first half of the reef knot just above the fingers in the hollow of the neck here, now that's important because round the back here if you press on that bit of muscle there, there's a big band of muscle, if you've got a knot on that it gives a great deal of discomfort very quickly so you want to get the knots round in the hollow here that doesn't hurt your casualty, there, draw it up half the knot, is that tight enough? it feels fine yeah that feels fine @@ -82454,15 +82381,15 @@ how many people know how to do a reef knot for sure? no right, so i'm not wasting my time a reef knot then? -if, if you look in your books page one seven seven, you'll see a beautifully illustrated instruction on how to do it, which you can refer to yourself this evening or later on in the course if you forget but i'm now gonna show you how to do one as well, you, if you want to know it's there for you to look up you take the bandage and fold it into your narrow fold band and put it round your leg, you've got something to tie a reef knot round, okay?if you know how to do a reef knot already fine, just do it, if you don't, follow instructions. -narrow fold bandage you've done it correctly then. +if, if you look in your books page one seven seven, you'll see a beautifully illustrated instruction on how to do it, which you can refer to yourself this evening or later on in the course if you forget but i'm now gonna show you how to do one as well, you, if you want to know it's there for you to look up you take the bandage and fold it into your narrow fold band and put it round your leg, you've got something to tie a reef knot round, okay?if you know how to do a reef knot already fine, just do it, if you don't, follow instructions. +narrow fold bandage you've done it correctly then. the -doing it the same way each time and a reef knot is the opposite way each time, alright, undo it, once again, just once again to make sure you know are you ready? +doing it the same way each time and a reef knot is the opposite way each time, alright, undo it, once again, just once again to make sure you know are you ready? once again, now it doesn't matter which way round you start, you can start left over right or right over left, but the second time you do it opposite to the first time, so the first time i put the left one over first and the right one over that and then tuck it through, just like tying a shoe lace really, okay? -and the next, pick the ends up, i put the right one down first and the left one across it and then put that one through and then that's a reef knot no that's a granny over there anyone not sure? -that, that's the one you have to remember which one you put on which, that was the left on top of the right, now the right on top of the left yes, come on +and the next, pick the ends up, i put the right one down first and the left one across it and then put that one through and then that's a reef knot no that's a granny over there anyone not sure? +that, that's the one you have to remember which one you put on which, that was the left on top of the right, now the right on top of the left yes, come on which one did you do first? -that's the right on top of the left okay, right on top of the left, now you've crossed over again left on top of the right, put that through there okay yeah +that's the right on top of the left okay, right on top of the left, now you've crossed over again left on top of the right, put that through there okay yeah all okay i think mm, yes all okay now, right. i bang my head, i cut my scalp, yeah, everybody, i bang my head, i cut my scalp, not massive bleeding none of the bandages we're doing this morning are to do with massive bleeding, they're all to do with what we call minor wounds, right so small cut, but it needs attention, okay, so i cut my scalp @@ -82472,14 +82399,14 @@ it's a bit tender alright, so i'm going to ask my casualty to hold my nice clean sterile pad that i've got folded ready over the wound, there, gently, okay? yep then i'm going to take another triangular bandage and i'm going to open it up and make just a little fold, this is going to go on her forehead and that little fold just helps with keeping it firm and stopping the bandage slip, now, just put it around the forehead like that, okay? -cross it over, round the back, and back up to the front again, do a reef knot here and tuck your ends in straight away of course like so and then this little bit can just be tucked up where you've crossed the two ends and make it look neater with no ends hanging out, no that, all that does is keep the dressing secure, keep infection out, okay? +cross it over, round the back, and back up to the front again, do a reef knot here and tuck your ends in straight away of course like so and then this little bit can just be tucked up where you've crossed the two ends and make it look neater with no ends hanging out, no that, all that does is keep the dressing secure, keep infection out, okay? the difficult part about this one is that people all have odd shaped heads, now and you find that if you put them on too high they squidge off like that, and you've got to think of bandaging an egg basically, if you had an egg with a little hole in one end and you've got to put a bandage round you'd have to put it very carefully round the widest bit wouldn't you for it to stay firm and that's the secret, everyone's heads different and as you put it round you've got to see where you can get it, where, sometimes it's over the ears, sometimes it's above the ears according to the peoples' shaped, different shaped heads everyone's different, anything else? okay, have a go at it and we'll come round and correct what you're doing as you're doing it, alright, so you want to pad over the wound to keep infection out and then try to get your bandage on top of that to keep the dressing in place. right, well we want to make sure that you can get out to lunch sort of by, that's running a bit fast that clock, we'd like to get you out to lunch by about half past twelve otherwise you'll end up being late don't you with all the other people right right, okay, what now, erm roller bandages so you can put those triangular ones away for a minute can't you let's do the elbow -and we'll do the elbow and knee okay elbow and knee then using the roller bandage +and we'll do the elbow and knee okay elbow and knee then using the roller bandage and again here it is two pages further on in your book, if you forget how to do it, just look up, okay? roller bandages well i fell over, slipped over in the car park out there, all gravelly and gritty out there and i scraped my elbow and i've got a nasty graze all on the elbow and it's all full of grit and muck, help @@ -82504,7 +82431,7 @@ so you open it up and you find which is your sterile bit and you put that over t it goes in there right yes -and then you take your long end and you wind above covering the edge and overlapping and then the low, then covering the edge and overlapping, there and again you keep working your way up and down, a figure of eight until you get to the end of your bandage then tie away from the body in your reef knot, either you tuck your ends in or if that's awkward you can just put a sticking plaster over the ends to get them out of the way like that, so just tuck the ends in and i don't think your casualty's going to need a sling for a little graze like that +and then you take your long end and you wind above covering the edge and overlapping and then the low, then covering the edge and overlapping, there and again you keep working your way up and down, a figure of eight until you get to the end of your bandage then tie away from the body in your reef knot, either you tuck your ends in or if that's awkward you can just put a sticking plaster over the ends to get them out of the way like that, so just tuck the ends in and i don't think your casualty's going to need a sling for a little graze like that right, and so that she can still move and as the same thing applies to the knee exactly the same thing, wound there you keep the knee bent a little bit and you can do exactly the same bandage like a figure of eight, okay? so one person will do the bandage on the elbow and the other person with the good looking knees, you'll be the casualty for where you've got to put the knee bandage on, cos you won't, if you don't roll your trousers up a bit you're not going to have much bandage to do much bandaging with on the knee, okay, so decide amongst yourselves who's got the good looking knee @@ -82519,12 +82446,12 @@ a couple more to show you then you can practise these when you have a bit more p if you have to bandage a hand for example, okay? somebody's slipped over and they've got all the grit in their knuckles in the part of their knuckles and you want to bandage the hand or there's a cut on the hand, even on the palm, we can do that one later when it's really, when it's really a gash, gushing blood we can do this afternoon, i repeat again none of these which you've done this morning will control severe bleeding, get it into your heads this is just to cover to keep infection out, alright, these are not to control severe bleeding just covering a minor wound or a graze, right? so she's got her knuckles grazed, you've cleansed it, put it into a drop of water,ra or else we've used the mediwipes or the end of the bandage okay, now we just cover it, okay, so it goes over, can you just straighten out your hand for me, it goes over the wound, okay and you can take this one that she can hold it for you just up there, right, now the rest of this just winds round, the only thing you really need to do is to just make sure that you leave the thumb out, cover up the bottom right and then come up towards the wrist, cover up the top of the pad, come back down again, leave the thumb out all the time, got the idea? -right, cover up again, come up towards the wrist, if you've got any more bandage, go round perhaps one more time okay and just make sure at the end of the day that you don't tie too tightly round the wrist, why not? +right, cover up again, come up towards the wrist, if you've got any more bandage, go round perhaps one more time okay and just make sure at the end of the day that you don't tie too tightly round the wrist, why not? stop circulation absolutely, so really we want to tie away from this pulse point here towards the back of the hand, good enough yeah right, tie it off in a reef knot, if you've got bits that are left dangling they're too long and you can't go round again because it's gonna make it too tight, you can either tuck them in or else you can fold them down, a nice clean plaster and put it right over the top, okay? -now that would do, that would do whether the, whether the knuckles were hurt or it was just a minor cut in the palm of the hand there, that would do and you can use the same type of bandage on the foot alright, so that's if the hand was damaged, now supposing we didn't have the hand damaged, but we had instead a cut up here, okay, again clean it and if you clean it with lots of water always remember to dry off around the wound because bugs love a moist skin to grow in, dry the wound before you apply the dressing okay if you can, dry it off the best you can and then you're going to place that over the cut, remember you want the pad to be long enough, big enough, okay, now she can hold this for you again, she can hold it above where the wound is and now when you bandage this one you always bandage from the narrow part to the fat part of the limb, you always bandage from the narrow to the fat, so you take the bandage down +now that would do, that would do whether the, whether the knuckles were hurt or it was just a minor cut in the palm of the hand there, that would do and you can use the same type of bandage on the foot alright, so that's if the hand was damaged, now supposing we didn't have the hand damaged, but we had instead a cut up here, okay, again clean it and if you clean it with lots of water always remember to dry off around the wound because bugs love a moist skin to grow in, dry the wound before you apply the dressing okay if you can, dry it off the best you can and then you're going to place that over the cut, remember you want the pad to be long enough, big enough, okay, now she can hold this for you again, she can hold it above where the wound is and now when you bandage this one you always bandage from the narrow part to the fat part of the limb, you always bandage from the narrow to the fat, so you take the bandage down why? because that way it stays on if you do it the other way it'll drop off it's as simple as that, okay, cover the pad and as you spiral up the arm all you need to do is to cover about two thirds of what you've just done before, just like a spiral, you find the bandages, the more you use those roller bandages of yours the worse they get to control because they lose their, you know, nice and stretchiness, so you just do, cover up the pad at the top, tie always on the top of the arm never underneath here. check with your casualty that it's comfortable, yes? @@ -82534,11 +82461,11 @@ no and those bits again, either tuck them in out of the way or better still fold them over and put a big plaster over the top to get them right out the way so no ends are left dangling, remember for most people you're doing this for they'll probably be returning to their place of work, okay, so they need to be safe to return to work, everybody okay on that lot? so let's just recap on the ones you've done this morning, you've done a high sling yes mm -you've used a triangular bandage to cover a wound in the scalp, it's not a chopping block wound right, it's not the chopper in its wound right, it's just a minor wound in the scalp, yes, and that came round and tied at the front, tucked at the back, you used these roller bandages to cover a graze or a wound on the end of an elbow or a knee or the hand, foot and then a straight one up the arm okay, so a lot of your bandaging is using these little roller bandages with the lint pad and don't forget when you get into the exam do it, don't do it the wrong way round, remember that you look at your bandage and you put the lint onto the wound, not the other way round right, yeah, you put the lint face down onto the wound, okay? +you've used a triangular bandage to cover a wound in the scalp, it's not a chopping block wound right, it's not the chopper in its wound right, it's just a minor wound in the scalp, yes, and that came round and tied at the front, tucked at the back, you used these roller bandages to cover a graze or a wound on the end of an elbow or a knee or the hand, foot and then a straight one up the arm okay, so a lot of your bandaging is using these little roller bandages with the lint pad and don't forget when you get into the exam do it, don't do it the wrong way round, remember that you look at your bandage and you put the lint onto the wound, not the other way round right, yeah, you put the lint face down onto the wound, okay? any questions of anything we've done? all alright on that, yes? we get time to practise these again before the exam? -oh yes , now if by any chanc chance you do have a question in the exam where you're asked you know instead of the wound being on top of the scalp, some clever so and so decides that you're good at improvising and you've got a wound over the top of the eyebrow, the eyebrow's split, okay, so there wouldn't be much good of me going a minute, pull that there, trying like this round there +oh yes , now if by any chanc chance you do have a question in the exam where you're asked you know instead of the wound being on top of the scalp, some clever so and so decides that you're good at improvising and you've got a wound over the top of the eyebrow, the eyebrow's split, okay, so there wouldn't be much good of me going a minute, pull that there, trying like this round there right, okay, it's not really in the best interest of the casualty is it, right, now what dressing would you apply to that do you think? a plaster plaster @@ -82546,7 +82473,7 @@ an eye plaster, an eye pad a an eye pad won't really sop up blood will it? a roller plaster one of them, of course you will, you use a roller bandage won't you again? -in this instance you can put it across the eyebrow, right, across the eyebrow, ask them to hold it and if you're doing a bandage like this the way to keep it on is to have one part of the bandage going above the ear and the next time you go round go below the ear right, go above the ear and the next time you go round go below the ear okay and then finally just tie it off, get the idea? +in this instance you can put it across the eyebrow, right, across the eyebrow, ask them to hold it and if you're doing a bandage like this the way to keep it on is to have one part of the bandage going above the ear and the next time you go round go below the ear right, go above the ear and the next time you go round go below the ear okay and then finally just tie it off, get the idea? okay, so they may ask you to use something which you haven't necessarily had to do before so that they're really all that the examiner's testing is that you've got a little bit of nous, a little bit of savvy and with what you've got available you can improvise a dressing or use the dressing in a sensible manner so that your casualty's comfortable and you're doing the best you can for them, okay? lovely. anything else to add audrey? @@ -82562,9 +82489,9 @@ so you have the heart of the centre of it, two pumps back to back yes, the major that's where the blood leads by, okay, on that side of the heart the left hand side of the heart it's being pumped and therefore the muscle is a bigger muscle, that's doing the contracting, the blood push out and it relaxes back again and that allows the blood to be sucked back down into the heart, okay, and the next time it's shh, that goes out and then it relaxes down again and the blood sucks back down into the heart, okay so that's what it does, all the muscle can do is that, muscle can only retract and then it relaxes, contract and then it relaxes, that's what the heart's doing all the time, how many beats a minute? sixty to eighty sixty to eighty you can feel it at pulse point, can't you, here, here, we'll show you so more in a minute, okay? -so you know how to check whether the circulatory system is working because if it's working you'll be able to find a pulse pounding away, yes, that's how you check it, you know the respiratory system's working because if you want to check it what do you want to look for? +so you know how to check whether the circulatory system is working because if it's working you'll be able to find a pulse pounding away, yes, that's how you check it, you know the respiratory system's working because if you want to check it what do you want to look for? rise and fall -rise and fall of chest breath on your hand or your cheek, circulatory system working, pulse, okay? +rise and fall of chest breath on your hand or your cheek, circulatory system working, pulse, okay? and that's what you're checking, the other side of the heart, the right hand side of the heart with a smaller pump, where's that pumping? blood out the lungs @@ -82573,22 +82500,22 @@ yes and always coming back to the heart by the veins by the veins , there's always an exception to every rule and the exception to that rule in the case of the heart and the lung connection is the pulmonary artery and the pulmonary vein, you may not get asked anything about this, but just in case you do it's as well to know, in that instance the flow is reversed, in other words the pulmonary vein takes blood away from the heart and up to the lungs, and the pulmonary artery brings the oxygenated blood back down to the heart from the lungs, if you want to have a look at the diagrams for that and look at it yourself later on, there's no need for you to get concerned or confused about this at all, there's no need. -you'll find the little diagram showing you where the pulmonary vein and the pulmonary artery are on page eleven, page eleven if you want to refer to it right, if you want to look at it in a closer detail tonight that's fine and if you want to see what i'm saying now in a diagrammatic form look on page thirteen now if you look at that you'll see some, the blue vein blood vessels it's coming out of the right hand side of the heart and if you look at the direction of the arrows, okay, they're going away from the heart, do you agree with me? -they come out of the heart and branch like a wishbone, one to each lung, do you see that, now the arrow direction is away from the heart and that's a vein and you'd expect that to be coming back to the heart wouldn't you? +you'll find the little diagram showing you where the pulmonary vein and the pulmonary artery are on page eleven, page eleven if you want to refer to it right, if you want to look at it in a closer detail tonight that's fine and if you want to see what i'm saying now in a diagrammatic form look on page thirteen now if you look at that you'll see some, the blue vein blood vessels it's coming out of the right hand side of the heart and if you look at the direction of the arrows, okay, they're going away from the heart, do you agree with me? +they come out of the heart and branch like a wishbone, one to each lung, do you see that, now the arrow direction is away from the heart and that's a vein and you'd expect that to be coming back to the heart wouldn't you? and that's the only time you're going to find it when you're linking the heart and the lungs, now look at those two areas where you've got blood coming back down into the heart, can you see those two wishbones there coming back down into the heart, do you see where i mean, yes? -now those are arteries, that's the pulmonary artery but it's coming back to the heart okay, that's the only time you're going to find the rule reversed, arteries leave the heart, veins come back to the heart, and the only time that rule is reversed is when you're linking the heart and the lungs through the pulmonary vein and the pulmonary artery, however, they are still carrying, the arteries are still carrying oxygen charged blood, yes, because it's come fresh from the lungs so it's still carrying nice red lovely oxygenated blood, yes, even though it's coming back into the heart, that is because it's come fresh from the lungs and the vein although it's going in the opposite direction the way you normally expect it, is still carrying the old rotten, you know, used up blood, because it's going back to the lungs to be recharged, do you understand it alright? +now those are arteries, that's the pulmonary artery but it's coming back to the heart okay, that's the only time you're going to find the rule reversed, arteries leave the heart, veins come back to the heart, and the only time that rule is reversed is when you're linking the heart and the lungs through the pulmonary vein and the pulmonary artery, however, they are still carrying, the arteries are still carrying oxygen charged blood, yes, because it's come fresh from the lungs so it's still carrying nice red lovely oxygenated blood, yes, even though it's coming back into the heart, that is because it's come fresh from the lungs and the vein although it's going in the opposite direction the way you normally expect it, is still carrying the old rotten, you know, used up blood, because it's going back to the lungs to be recharged, do you understand it alright? that's the only time it'll be reversed can you just say that bit about the pulmonary in the vein and the pulmonary in the wee artery again please the pulmonary artery comes back into the heart, the pulmonary vein goes away from the heart vein goes home back up to the lungs, they are linking the heart and the lungs yeah, i've written that down -alright and if you look at the diagram on page thirteen and you look at the little arrow diagram you'll see that it gives it quite nice and clearly there is that alright? -just wanted to clarify that little point, so you know the organs that make up the circulatory system, you know how to check it, you know the one slight difference than what you normally expect veins and arteries to be doing okay? +alright and if you look at the diagram on page thirteen and you look at the little arrow diagram you'll see that it gives it quite nice and clearly there is that alright? +just wanted to clarify that little point, so you know the organs that make up the circulatory system, you know how to check it, you know the one slight difference than what you normally expect veins and arteries to be doing okay? now we need to talk a little bit about what happens when the veins or the arteries or the capillaries for that matter, the veins, the arteries or the capillaries have a leak in them, they become broken, now you already know that the circulatory system is a closed system and that the blood can only do its job if it's being transported within that system, once the blood comes outside of that system then it's lost the circulation and it cannot perform its proper function any more, in other words the body's losing its blood, okay, what condition do we call it when the circulatory system stops working properly? shock shock, do you understand the difference between the loss of pressure and loss of volume, volume would be when liquid was leaking out, coming out of the blood vessels, okay, pressure would be when the heart itself, the pump itself had failed or was not working properly, failed completely or was not working properly, do you understand the difference? -obviously eventually if people keep on leaking blood their pressure will fall but you could have a situation where there's not a single drop of blood yet lost to the system and yet the person's in shock because the blood's not being circulated properly off the heart, not a drop of blood lost to the system, but insufficient pressure, so shock can be caused by either of those two things, failure of the circulatory system because the pressure of the volume drops dangerously low, okay, you did a lot of work on what the person looks like, yes you as the casu you as the first aider will see this person in front of you, what will they be like? +obviously eventually if people keep on leaking blood their pressure will fall but you could have a situation where there's not a single drop of blood yet lost to the system and yet the person's in shock because the blood's not being circulated properly off the heart, not a drop of blood lost to the system, but insufficient pressure, so shock can be caused by either of those two things, failure of the circulatory system because the pressure of the volume drops dangerously low, okay, you did a lot of work on what the person looks like, yes you as the casu you as the first aider will see this person in front of you, what will they be like? what will their face look like? let's start there pale @@ -82596,13 +82523,13 @@ very pale, very cold and clammy cold and clammy okay, don't say blue, because otherwise you'll get it mixed up with asphyxia put -very pale, if you saw somebody in a hospital bed who'd just suffered shock, they'd be the same colour as the sheet they're lying on their face is absolutely white, okay, very, very pale, very cold and very clammy, now supposing the doctor asks you why are they cold and clammy? +very pale, if you saw somebody in a hospital bed who'd just suffered shock, they'd be the same colour as the sheet they're lying on their face is absolutely white, okay, very, very pale, very cold and very clammy, now supposing the doctor asks you why are they cold and clammy? why are they cold? because they've lost blood no blood near the skin, no blood near the skin, okay, why no blood near the skin? mm? guarding er the vital organs -right, because the body is acting in order to protect its vital organs and it's drawing the blood vessels near the skin, shut down, you're not needed there, you're needed here, in the core of the body, because your blood is what warms your skin up, it's taken away from the skin, then the skin feels cold and clammy, yeah, clammy because of course if there's no heat, we sweat all the time and especially if somebody's had an accident or is seriously ill they will be sweating, yes, then there's nothing to dry the sweat off okay, what happens when we sweat excessively in the summer time? +right, because the body is acting in order to protect its vital organs and it's drawing the blood vessels near the skin, shut down, you're not needed there, you're needed here, in the core of the body, because your blood is what warms your skin up, it's taken away from the skin, then the skin feels cold and clammy, yeah, clammy because of course if there's no heat, we sweat all the time and especially if somebody's had an accident or is seriously ill they will be sweating, yes, then there's nothing to dry the sweat off okay, what happens when we sweat excessively in the summer time? dehydrate you get wet, sweaty, but there's nothing to dry the sweat off, not sweating and drying off, so they feel clammy, okay, so we've looked at their colour and we've felt their skin and we've felt that it's horrible and clammy and cold, what about their pulse, we've gone down to the pulse now it becomes rapid @@ -82615,10 +82542,10 @@ the arteries are pumping harder the heart is having to pump harder, why? try to get more air into the arteries is trying to get more blood round the system -it's trying to do the same work with the smaller amount of blood as it did with the full amount, ten pints perhaps reduced down to seven, got to keep pump, pump, pump, pump, pump, pump, pump, because that little bit of blood has got to get round and do a lot more work now, okay, so the blood's rushing round and the heart is pushing faster because it's having to, because it's not enough of the, not so much pressure there, that's why it feels weak, weak and fast, okay? +it's trying to do the same work with the smaller amount of blood as it did with the full amount, ten pints perhaps reduced down to seven, got to keep pump, pump, pump, pump, pump, pump, pump, because that little bit of blood has got to get round and do a lot more work now, okay, so the blood's rushing round and the heart is pushing faster because it's having to, because it's not enough of the, not so much pressure there, that's why it feels weak, weak and fast, okay? we haven't got much blood now, it's working away like mad, so now what are you lacking? oxygen -so when you hear people who are in shock, they'll be okay and that's how they are, they're panting, breath, right, very fast and very shallow, they're not calm, they're panting for breath all the time, okay, so that's how you see them. +so when you hear people who are in shock, they'll be okay and that's how they are, they're panting, breath, right, very fast and very shallow, they're not calm, they're panting for breath all the time, okay, so that's how you see them. what are they going to tell you? how will they feel? want a drink @@ -82649,7 +82576,7 @@ shall we give them a nice sweet, hot cup of coffee? no nothing by mouth at all, no brandy? no -nothing by mouth what else can you do for them? +nothing by mouth what else can you do for them? reassure them reassure them, time's going by check @@ -82658,23 +82585,23 @@ ambulance ambulance, thank goodness someone's remembered, patting this person's hand, and putting blankets on and reassuring them, telling them everything's alright, and blood all over the floor, thank god someone's gone to get the ambulance stem the bleeding right, and stem the bleeding if you can see where it's coming from attempt to stem the bleeding, bung the hole up, okay? -right, so now we've got round to what we can do for the casualty, let's have a look and see what the body's trying to do here and then we'll say how you'll help them a bit more. +right, so now we've got round to what we can do for the casualty, let's have a look and see what the body's trying to do here and then we'll say how you'll help them a bit more. if the person's bleeding, not just a little tiny cut now, not like the graze this morning, this is real, this is serious bleeding okay? -first of all you've got the blood pressure falls, the body does that automatically for itself mm, mm, the body does that for itself how can we help it? +first of all you've got the blood pressure falls, the body does that automatically for itself mm, mm, the body does that for itself how can we help it? falls partly because it's shutting down the ends of the arteries, the arteries themselves can actually contract because they're muscular walled, yes, the arteries can contract and that tends to shut down and reduce the pressure slightly in that area, right and also the body itself is gonna divert that blood isn't it to the core of the body taking it away from other areas, damaged areas, so how can we help to reduce the pressure any more? supposing i've got a cut right across my wrist here, or someone has direct pressure elevate it -hold it up, now you're reducing the pressure to the area because the heart's got to pump harder to get it up there okay, so we hold the hand or the limb higher than the heart and that will reduce the pressure still further, the ends of the blood vessels contract so how can we help them to contract even more? +hold it up, now you're reducing the pressure to the area because the heart's got to pump harder to get it up there okay, so we hold the hand or the limb higher than the heart and that will reduce the pressure still further, the ends of the blood vessels contract so how can we help them to contract even more? direct pressure -direct pressure over the wound, not your hand but the casualty's if they're still conscious blood clots yes, what's helping it to clot is a special process in the blood +direct pressure over the wound, not your hand but the casualty's if they're still conscious blood clots yes, what's helping it to clot is a special process in the blood plasma not plasma platelet platelet, right, it's the platelet that help clot okay, so how can we help it to clot even more? fibrous a better, put a fibrous pad over it, so a pad, pressure directly over the wound initially, that's the first treatment done, see to casualty put pressure immediately over the wound and raise the limb higher than the heart, then the first aid equipment that you'll need is a fibrous pad to bind over it, to keep the pressure on. -pad, pressure and elevation in most instances will stem severe external bleeding, pad, pressure and elevate, okay, let's just reinforce that for you pad, pressure and elevate, right and that should control a severe external bleeding. +pad, pressure and elevation in most instances will stem severe external bleeding, pad, pressure and elevate, okay, let's just reinforce that for you pad, pressure and elevate, right and that should control a severe external bleeding. how will you know if the blood is coming from er an artery that's cut? pumping, yes, if i, somebody had slit me here okay, blood from my artery, it's probably quite easy, the television set, then after that it'll drop off obviously because the body is pulling the pressure down all the time, it does, okay, but if it was a vein? @@ -82682,7 +82609,7 @@ blue, blueish and it'll flow out, okay, now we know that's the difference in colour and i've already told you that the arteries have got muscles in their walls, what's the difference in between the wall of the muscle, muscular wall, let's put my teeth back in, the muscular wall of the artery and the wall of the vein? the vein has got the valve to it, but only the veins in these parts, the extremities, you see, the lower abdomen and legs, arms, you don't find those veins everywhere is that because of the distance they have to travel? -with the vein's with the valves in everywhere , yes, it's because they've got to somehow or other, you've got to somehow or other get the blood back up to the heart again, it's not under pressure is it any more, cos it's lost a lot of its pressure and the way it gets back to the heart of course that is it's lying alongside the bones and the arteries and as you're walking around, okay, the arteries are still having the pressure working, the muscles are still working and the vein lies next to it and the blood is able to be milked up, it's milked back up to a non return valve, that shuts off and it can't drop back down any further and the next bit does the next bit up, okay, and then that shuts off and eventually it gets back to the heart and the capillaries what will that look like when it's bleeding? +with the vein's with the valves in everywhere , yes, it's because they've got to somehow or other, you've got to somehow or other get the blood back up to the heart again, it's not under pressure is it any more, cos it's lost a lot of its pressure and the way it gets back to the heart of course that is it's lying alongside the bones and the arteries and as you're walking around, okay, the arteries are still having the pressure working, the muscles are still working and the vein lies next to it and the blood is able to be milked up, it's milked back up to a non return valve, that shuts off and it can't drop back down any further and the next bit does the next bit up, okay, and then that shuts off and eventually it gets back to the heart and the capillaries what will that look like when it's bleeding? their bleeding capillaries bright red oozing @@ -82693,7 +82620,7 @@ no, no it would not would it, so leave it in position and if you need to put another pad over the top, then do that, more pressure and a bigger pad, never take the original one off, okay, leave it on otherwise you'll open up the wound again and you'll have all that problem over again, so pad, pressure and elevate, what if it don't work? why don't you put say another pad on top, more pressure, it's still not working and you've tried it again and it's still not working pressure point -then you can go to indirect pressure and try to control the flow of bleeding by using indeed direct pressure, away from the wound, but where an artery, okay, is running near a bone, so you can compress the artery against the bone squash it hard, and for the arm you'd use this one under here called the breaking now press, move your biceps muscle away and press underneath there, you can perhaps try to feel it for yourself, did you do that this morning or not? +then you can go to indirect pressure and try to control the flow of bleeding by using indeed direct pressure, away from the wound, but where an artery, okay, is running near a bone, so you can compress the artery against the bone squash it hard, and for the arm you'd use this one under here called the breaking now press, move your biceps muscle away and press underneath there, you can perhaps try to feel it for yourself, did you do that this morning or not? or yesterday? i did do it yes mm, okay @@ -82712,7 +82639,7 @@ say if it's in such a secluded place you know if you're gonna be there for twent well if he was there and you came along well that's two people, so it's not that secluded, okay, so we have to look on the positive side, if at the end of the day you're going to get to a situation where, okay, you can see that the ordinary erm true blue course of events is just not gonna work, then it's down to you, you have then got to make up your own mind what you're going to do for the casualty and your own safety, okay, if somebody had been bleeding that long and you couldn't of got help for them, what would your priority now probably be? what do you think they'd be like by now? dead -they'd probably be unconscious and they may of stopped breathing, okay, so you know, your priority changes as your time scale changes and you have to be aware of what to do and what is possible to do next okay? +they'd probably be unconscious and they may of stopped breathing, okay, so you know, your priority changes as your time scale changes and you have to be aware of what to do and what is possible to do next okay? if you decide at the end of the day the thing to do is to pick up this kid and run like hell for somewhere you can gain, wave for help, or put him in the car and drive like mad to the hospital, then you might just do that, even though it breaks all the golden rules of first aid that's what i mean, because if, i guarantee if someone was put in a situation with blood everywhere and that, with being the first aider they've got to stay calm, but i, i'd say fifty per cent of all people would pick that kid up and run like hell right, they probably would especially if you could @@ -82723,20 +82650,20 @@ start digging you'll be needing a burial won't you? seeing as you didn't buy me a pint today yeah, you might just do that, as i say all we can do is tell you what is possible, okay, there are going to be in -your own instinct about what is the sensible thing to do and the right thing to do in that incident and take charge, and you will just get on and do the very, very best that you can, you know what you need to do, you need to stop the bleeding, you know what the person needs, he needs medical aid quickly okay? +your own instinct about what is the sensible thing to do and the right thing to do in that incident and take charge, and you will just get on and do the very, very best that you can, you know what you need to do, you need to stop the bleeding, you know what the person needs, he needs medical aid quickly okay? but if you're in a situation where that's not possible then you'll do the very best you can, but you're always going to be on the look out for the priorities as they change, cos once the person stops breathing they become unconscious, they stop breathing, their heart stops, then everything else has to wait and you have to try and get on with that, okay? yeah so indirect pressure, that one then is the feneral and that's the breaking, they're the only two we worry about, okay, the feneral and if they ask where it is don't sort of put two hands over and hang on to your crutch like mad because that isn't really where the feneral artery is okay, it is where the trouser crease meets the line of the groin and it's skin deep, okay, so you'll pushing onto it you'd probably have to put your two fingers and a pad and your knuckles right in there, alright and you'll feel it yourself best when you're lying down and your knee just up like that, that's when you can feel it best because you can push in harder then, cos you've relaxed your stomach and that's another tip for putting pressure on it when you've got somebody who needs that, you need to relax the stomach muscle, but you manage to put pressure up there okay? righto the abdomen muscles not the stomach muscles right, everyone okay so far then? -alright, so we've done all that lot and you've got your external bleeding under control you've used indirect pressure and direct pressure, now's another topping, there's always is isn't there? +alright, so we've done all that lot and you've got your external bleeding under control you've used indirect pressure and direct pressure, now's another topping, there's always is isn't there? you can see the person is in shock, there's no sign of any blood internal bleeding -internal bleeding, right so the internal bleeding sometimes shows itself externally, for example if i had damage to my lungs or severe damage to the inside of my lungs i'd cough up blood and that's in, what do you think? +internal bleeding, right so the internal bleeding sometimes shows itself externally, for example if i had damage to my lungs or severe damage to the inside of my lungs i'd cough up blood and that's in, what do you think? what colour? frothy red -very red and frothy, frothy colour blood, okay, supposing i had er damaged the lining of the stomach, or perhaps i've had an ulcer that i've perforated, and i was coughing up blood from the stomach what colour might that be? +very red and frothy, frothy colour blood, okay, supposing i had er damaged the lining of the stomach, or perhaps i've had an ulcer that i've perforated, and i was coughing up blood from the stomach what colour might that be? mm, the fluid's gran granuled grained, granuley, browney, coffee coffee @@ -82761,10 +82688,10 @@ any questions? just one point, you said er passing water through the ur er blood through the urine is two things er it could be the bladder it could be the bladder or what? -it could be the kidneys okay are there any questions there, is there anything that you want to ask? -no don't forget again all the things that you recognize from somebody who was suffering from shock right don't forget how we treat them okay and we'll run a film for you now erm, no perhaps we won't we'll deal with the severe bleeding on the palm of the hand and get that out of the way +it could be the kidneys okay are there any questions there, is there anything that you want to ask? +no don't forget again all the things that you recognize from somebody who was suffering from shock right don't forget how we treat them okay and we'll run a film for you now erm, no perhaps we won't we'll deal with the severe bleeding on the palm of the hand and get that out of the way yes, okay -we'll show you now how to put on a pressure bandage for severe bleeding and then we'll put the film on and you can see the whole lot again, okay, so just be in the room if you just push and push and push on the window and er the hand has gone through the window, right, and there's no glass imbedded but it's cut right across the palm and the reason that we show you this one is because the artery that feeds all these fingers comes and the thumb comes up in an arch like that okay, so the artery comes down, up in an arch across the palm of the hand, so the fingers and thumb all get a blood supply, so when you cut the palm of your hand there is a lot of blood pumping out, okay, so what's the first thing i'd tell her to do? +we'll show you now how to put on a pressure bandage for severe bleeding and then we'll put the film on and you can see the whole lot again, okay, so just be in the room if you just push and push and push on the window and er the hand has gone through the window, right, and there's no glass imbedded but it's cut right across the palm and the reason that we show you this one is because the artery that feeds all these fingers comes and the thumb comes up in an arch like that okay, so the artery comes down, up in an arch across the palm of the hand, so the fingers and thumb all get a blood supply, so when you cut the palm of your hand there is a lot of blood pumping out, okay, so what's the first thing i'd tell her to do? elevate yeah, what else could she do? put her hand on top @@ -82784,9 +82711,9 @@ perhaps if you would like to go round the come round yeah stand at the back or something yeah, come round and have a look if you want to, come and stand up here close if you want to -okay, round the base of your thumb, basically what we want to do is we want to clamp these fingers in so they can't come un unstuck, we want to push them together because she can't keep them shut like that, but the next thing is that you come round to the back where the little finger is, the next time you come round here, you're gonna come round to about the first thumb joint okay and then you're gonna go over the top okay and if you come round again the little thumb, by, by the little finger, you come round again to the thumb joint okay, come over the top again, round, we're just making really like the figure of eight, but all the time we're keeping off of this wrist here and i'm keeping her fingers in, are you alright still? +okay, round the base of your thumb, basically what we want to do is we want to clamp these fingers in so they can't come un unstuck, we want to push them together because she can't keep them shut like that, but the next thing is that you come round to the back where the little finger is, the next time you come round here, you're gonna come round to about the first thumb joint okay and then you're gonna go over the top okay and if you come round again the little thumb, by, by the little finger, you come round again to the thumb joint okay, come over the top again, round, we're just making really like the figure of eight, but all the time we're keeping off of this wrist here and i'm keeping her fingers in, are you alright still? yes -yes, okay and we're still coming round yet again and the last one cos she's got quite a large fist, i'll take it over the top, round the back and this one now i can tie, tie it off, sorry tie it off on the back of her hand now, i don't want to tie it off on the front cos in a minute i want to put this into a sling not too tight? +yes, okay and we're still coming round yet again and the last one cos she's got quite a large fist, i'll take it over the top, round the back and this one now i can tie, tie it off, sorry tie it off on the back of her hand now, i don't want to tie it off on the front cos in a minute i want to put this into a sling not too tight? how are your fingers? alright i've left one thing showing, this if you, you'd got, you tuck it in at the top there if you've got some room, right, i've left her thumb out, so that if this is too tight i can check the circulation, if the pink comes back it's okay, can you get your fingers out? @@ -82796,118 +82723,116 @@ a high sling, now we can put on a high sling for her, okay, that goes up there a still okay? we're just gonna put a sling on for you, and if the blood comes pumping through that what will i do? put another one on -a bigger pad over the top, there's the sling and towards your casualty and place it on the body down the straight and the elbow and the point at the same side, tuck this hand under and tuck all this underneath the arm and bring the rest of it round the back, tie it up as close to the fingers as you can and try to remember how to do a reef knot, at least always make sure it's firm, is that alright for you? +a bigger pad over the top, there's the sling and towards your casualty and place it on the body down the straight and the elbow and the point at the same side, tuck this hand under and tuck all this underneath the arm and bring the rest of it round the back, tie it up as close to the fingers as you can and try to remember how to do a reef knot, at least always make sure it's firm, is that alright for you? comfortable and firm? once you've done the knot put the ends out of the way, straight away and then last of all just finish off this corner here, if you've got too much material okay, tuck it out of the way, you don't want it dangling there out the way and how does this one go? - mr chairman, ladies and gentlemen. -we're all aware that for th for their number patients with superficial bladder cancer provide an enormous amount of our workload, and for reasons partly of husbanding our precious resources and also because lots of these patients come up with negative checks reducing the amount of irritation and upset to them it would be useful if we could do less than we do. +we're all aware that for th for their number patients with superficial bladder cancer provide an enormous amount of our workload, and for reasons partly of husbanding our precious resources and also because lots of these patients come up with negative checks reducing the amount of irritation and upset to them it would be useful if we could do less than we do. many people have looked at this before and they've come up with various prognostic markers, some of which are extremely complicated. -but perhaps the erm the simplest erm prognostic routes were suggested by the m r c working parties which general urology which was mentioned in the last presentation. -they combined erm the four hundred and fifty odd erm four hundred and seventeen sorry patients in er several m r c studies and looked at them from the point of view of erm prognostic markers for occurrence and they came up with two factors which overridingly were more important than the others. -the first one was the result of the three month check cystoscopy either positive or negative and the second one the number of tumours at presentation either single or multiple. -and from these two factors you can erm form three prognostic routes. -a low risk route will have a single tumour at diagnosis and a negative three month cystoscopy. +but perhaps the erm the simplest erm prognostic routes were suggested by the m r c working parties which general urology which was mentioned in the last presentation. +they combined erm the four hundred and fifty odd erm four hundred and seventeen sorry patients in er several m r c studies and looked at them from the point of view of erm prognostic markers for occurrence and they came up with two factors which overridingly were more important than the others. +the first one was the result of the three month check cystoscopy either positive or negative and the second one the number of tumours at presentation either single or multiple. +and from these two factors you can erm form three prognostic routes. +a low risk route will have a single tumour at diagnosis and a negative three month cystoscopy. an intermediate risk group with multiple tumours at diagnosis or a positive three month cystoscopy. and a high risk group, multiple tumours at diagnosis and a positive three month cystoscopy. the suggested protocols for these patients were as follows. the low risk category one patients would go straight onto annual check cystoscopy following the first three month check. the intermediate risk group would have a three monthly cystoscopy for a year and then go onto six monthly for a further year and then annual thereafter. and the high risk group would have three monthly check cystoscopies for two years and then go onto annual check cystoscopies. -any patient who recurs after the three month check cystoscopy is reassessed going back to the beginning and they may be reassigned to one of the the o o one or other of the groups erm depending on that. -one of the criticisms or possible criticisms of the m r c figures was that these were all patients who had been entered into superficial bladder cancer studies and they don't therefore re represent all because people are selected to go into the trial and perhaps they are lower risk patients than others and in fact i believe that the recurrence rate in the m r c studies are lower than you would expect for er superficial bladder cancer in general. -and so we did a sort of what if analysis looking a at the impact of implementing erm these er prognostic categories on our patients. +any patient who recurs after the three month check cystoscopy is reassessed going back to the beginning and they may be reassigned to one of the the o o one or other of the groups erm depending on that. +one of the criticisms or possible criticisms of the m r c figures was that these were all patients who had been entered into superficial bladder cancer studies and they don't therefore re represent all because people are selected to go into the trial and perhaps they are lower risk patients than others and in fact i believe that the recurrence rate in the m r c studies are lower than you would expect for er superficial bladder cancer in general. +and so we did a sort of what if analysis looking a at the impact of implementing erm these er prognostic categories on our patients. now this was a retrospective analysis bit it was done on prospectively recorded information. -hundred and fifty nine patients all come as presenting with superficial transitional cell carcinoma of the blood, and they all have prospectively follow-up date for more than twelve months following the first check cystoscopy. -you'll see that there is a mix er er of grades and stages and because it's the the real world erm in some of the tumours a a precise t category was not erm decided by the pathologist. +hundred and fifty nine patients all come as presenting with superficial transitional cell carcinoma of the blood, and they all have prospectively follow-up date for more than twelve months following the first check cystoscopy. +you'll see that there is a mix er er of grades and stages and because it's the the real world erm in some of the tumours a a precise t category was not erm decided by the pathologist. again a mix of single and multiple tumours. -when you look at er the arrangement of these patients in the prognostic groups you'll see that the information from the er the number of tumours at presentation and the the result of the three-month check cystoscopy is quite independent of grade and stage. +when you look at er the arrangement of these patients in the prognostic groups you'll see that the information from the er the number of tumours at presentation and the the result of the three-month check cystoscopy is quite independent of grade and stage. er there's no well there looks to be a trend towards higher grade er in in category three patients an and again more er more t one tumours. i the differences are not statistically significant. -now this is a a sort of cost benefit benefit analysis based on what would have happened if we'd followed these protocols ourselves. +now this is a a sort of cost benefit benefit analysis based on what would have happened if we'd followed these protocols ourselves. you'll see that the majority of patients fall into the low risk group with progressively smaller numbers in the intermediate and high risk group. -erm four patients erm fro from the group overall subsequently developed cancer. -if we look at the actual numbers of cystoscopies performed you will you see that there were the vast majority of work was done in the lower and intermediate risk group patients er and the positive er cystoscopy rate erm was much lower in the lower risk group, as you would expect, than in the higher risk group. -if we had followed the m r c protocols er the numbers er would have been much smaller in the lower risk group and erm the erm there was more effort placed in the high risk group than erm there would have been we actually did. -and a as a result of that our positive cystoscopy rate was more comparable across the three groups than it was previously. +erm four patients erm fro from the group overall subsequently developed cancer. +if we look at the actual numbers of cystoscopies performed you will you see that there were the vast majority of work was done in the lower and intermediate risk group patients er and the positive er cystoscopy rate erm was much lower in the lower risk group, as you would expect, than in the higher risk group. +if we had followed the m r c protocols er the numbers er would have been much smaller in the lower risk group and erm the erm there was more effort placed in the high risk group than erm there would have been we actually did. +and a as a result of that our positive cystoscopy rate was more comparable across the three groups than it was previously. you can only say what's . -what this a doctor in this policy would have done in terms of delaying diagnosis in the lower risk group patients because clearly the other groups of patients are actually having more cystoscopies performed, but because it's a retrospective analysis you cannot say that you are advancing the diagnosis of er of more frequently occurring tumours. -there were thirty tumours from patients that had their diagnosis delayed by a mean of four months. -if we followed the rules er the m r c rules strictly one of the lower risk group of patients was a g three p t one tumour and that patient er progressed and in fact all the patients who progressed, all the four out of the hundred and fifty nine patients who progressed erm from the total group had either g two or g three p t one tumours at diagnosis, and i think there's a very strong case for making these a totally separate group of patients erm for follow up. +what this a doctor in this policy would have done in terms of delaying diagnosis in the lower risk group patients because clearly the other groups of patients are actually having more cystoscopies performed, but because it's a retrospective analysis you cannot say that you are advancing the diagnosis of er of more frequently occurring tumours. +there were thirty tumours from patients that had their diagnosis delayed by a mean of four months. +if we followed the rules er the m r c rules strictly one of the lower risk group of patients was a g three p t one tumour and that patient er progressed and in fact all the patients who progressed, all the four out of the hundred and fifty nine patients who progressed erm from the total group had either g two or g three p t one tumours at diagnosis, and i think there's a very strong case for making these a totally separate group of patients erm for follow up. that just shows graphically what the change in the workload would have been. -this is our actual workload and this is what it would have happened if we'd followed the m r c er protocols. -there would actually be a two percent increase in the number of cystoscopies done but the work would have be been much better targeted er than we actually we actually did. -so in conclusion adoption of the m r c follow up follow up policy would have resulted in targeting of cystoscopic follow up to higher risk group patients, a two percent increase in the cystoscopic resources required and delayed diagnosis of tumour progression in one patient, and as i've said i i think that g three p t one tumours should be excluded from er this type of protocol. -perhaps other uses of er this type of erm protocol would be to use . +this is our actual workload and this is what it would have happened if we'd followed the m r c er protocols. +there would actually be a two percent increase in the number of cystoscopies done but the work would have be been much better targeted er than we actually we actually did. +so in conclusion adoption of the m r c follow up follow up policy would have resulted in targeting of cystoscopic follow up to higher risk group patients, a two percent increase in the cystoscopic resources required and delayed diagnosis of tumour progression in one patient, and as i've said i i think that g three p t one tumours should be excluded from er this type of protocol. +perhaps other uses of er this type of erm protocol would be to use . flexible cyst er flexible check cystoscopy early in the lower risk group patients, and perhaps give the intermediate and higher risk group patients prophylactic chemotherapy. thank you. -er i think it would be useful to have er mr back and we could er discuss both of these papers together. +er i think it would be useful to have er mr back and we could er discuss both of these papers together. questions? .microphone number one. -p k from lincoln. +p k from lincoln. a question to both the speakers. -do you consider the smoker as a high risk group and do you change your attitude in checking them ? -erm i think it j just adds a little bit of complexity t to it. -i think trying to keep something very simple erm you know a simple rule for everyone to follow and all that that following this protocol requires is that er that the urologist is at least partially sighted. +do you consider the smoker as a high risk group and do you change your attitude in checking them ? +erm i think it j just adds a little bit of complexity t to it. +i think trying to keep something very simple erm you know a simple rule for everyone to follow and all that that following this protocol requires is that er that the urologist is at least partially sighted. it doesn't depend on a pathologist or any oth other information. yes i i'd agree. -i i think if you've got a moderately or well differentiated tumour and i it's solitary and it's small and they're clear at three months tell them to stop smoking by all means . -can i just ask you both er are you unwilling to modify the standard follow up er cystoscopy for g three tumours and for t one tumours, or is it just for the g three t one. -i think steve you were you were suggesting that it was only the g three t one . -erm well all the patients who pr progressed had either g two or g three p t one tumours at diagnosis. +i i think if you've got a moderately or well differentiated tumour and i it's solitary and it's small and they're clear at three months tell them to stop smoking by all means . +can i just ask you both er are you unwilling to modify the standard follow up er cystoscopy for g three tumours and for t one tumours, or is it just for the g three t one. +i think steve you were you were suggesting that it was only the g three t one . +erm well all the patients who pr progressed had either g two or g three p t one tumours at diagnosis. they seemed to be a very high risk group of patients. right and a a g three p t a? erm well there quite a few of those and none of them progressed. microphone three . , chelmsford. -if i come to you at three months with a p t a tumour, that's grade one or two, how long would you be er willing to accept that i should have a recurrence before you treat it? +if i come to you at three months with a p t a tumour, that's grade one or two, how long would you be er willing to accept that i should have a recurrence before you treat it? how but you sorry a g two? -a a g one +a a g one g one p t a tumour. how how soon should i get it treated? -does it matter -i think it probably it probably doesn't. -i mean the r the risk of progression is i i i would think is minuscule erm and erm you're only talking about changes in size not risk of of erm muscle invasion, and i think therefore +does it matter +i think it probably it probably doesn't. +i mean the r the risk of progression is i i i would think is minuscule erm and erm you're only talking about changes in size not risk of of erm muscle invasion, and i think therefore so if it's not causing me any symptoms i should ? -no what i'm say what i'm saying is that that leaving it for a few months probably isn't going to do you any harm. -i mean clearly it will continue to grow and therefore any that you do will be will be greater. +no what i'm say what i'm saying is that that leaving it for a few months probably isn't going to do you any harm. +i mean clearly it will continue to grow and therefore any that you do will be will be greater. the longer you leave it -i do think answer for that one er erm i'm not aware of any paper that's published presenting that and we came as close as we could to answering that but nobody really knows for sure. - -be before we start can i make two quick announcements, one er i made at the last lecture, that is there is a public lecture given by baroness at five fifteen today on the subject of the soviet union and wh where does it go, erm and that's in . -the other announcement erm is er dr has asked me to address some delinquents, no that's not fair, some er hard working but misguided students erm tt er who are doing a political processes course, a sort of pale imitation of this course, erm probably find none of them are here today, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's b let's not be shy now, is erm is ian here? -is james here? +i do think answer for that one er erm i'm not aware of any paper that's published presenting that and we came as close as we could to answering that but nobody really knows for sure. +be before we start can i make two quick announcements, one er i made at the last lecture, that is there is a public lecture given by baroness at five fifteen today on the subject of the soviet union and wh where does it go, erm and that's in . +the other announcement erm is er dr has asked me to address some delinquents, no that's not fair, some er hard working but misguided students erm tt er who are doing a political processes course, a sort of pale imitation of this course, erm probably find none of them are here today, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's b let's not be shy now, is erm is ian here? +is james here? yeah. good. -is abe here? +is abe here? right? -is damien here? -is christian here? +is damien here? +is christian here? at least they're consistent in their delinquency aren't they? -er is tim is tim here? +er is tim is tim here? right. -well those people i've, who are here, erm i'm told by dr and i'll read this because i can't understand it myself political processes, please remember he says that tutorials for part three commence next monday and tuesday the twenty first and twenty second but papers for only two of the seven groups are currently in the folders. +well those people i've, who are here, erm i'm told by dr and i'll read this because i can't understand it myself political processes, please remember he says that tutorials for part three commence next monday and tuesday the twenty first and twenty second but papers for only two of the seven groups are currently in the folders. if you have not completed your paper, then please do so without delay. -papers are missing from the names i've just read out. +papers are missing from the names i've just read out. if you have removed a paper from one of the folders, please return it immediately . alright? -if you want to know what that actually means see dr but he asked me to read it out. +if you want to know what that actually means see dr but he asked me to read it out. okay this is the fourth in our series and the second on the presidency and i want to do two things in this lecture. -the first is to spell out to you the precise erm constitutional position of the president and the second, and perhaps more interestingly, is to talk about the notion of presidential power. -erm now i know that most of you have memorized the constitution but because i suffer from alzheimer's i had to bring mine with me to remind myself erm what the constitution says about the, the powers of the presidency. -erm now what powers are given to the president of the united states by the constitution of the united states? -there's to be a special er sweet or something, bar of chocolate for those who get these questions right. +the first is to spell out to you the precise erm constitutional position of the president and the second, and perhaps more interestingly, is to talk about the notion of presidential power. +erm now i know that most of you have memorized the constitution but because i suffer from alzheimer's i had to bring mine with me to remind myself erm what the constitution says about the, the powers of the presidency. +erm now what powers are given to the president of the united states by the constitution of the united states? +there's to be a special er sweet or something, bar of chocolate for those who get these questions right. what powers does the constitution of the united states give to the president? not a single offer? gives him the executive. -first sentence of sect article two section one says the executive power shall be vested in a president of the united states of america full stop. +first sentence of sect article two section one says the executive power shall be vested in a president of the united states of america full stop. right, later on it describes in enormous detail how the president is chosen and the electoral system and then under section two it gives several specific powers that the president has and i would like at least one contribution from this packed assembly here. commander in chief of the armed forces. commander in chief of the armed forces. the president of the united states is commander in chief of the armed forces. -or act as it actually says in the constitution,the president shall be commander in chief of the army and navy of the united states and of the militia of the several states erm there wasn't an airforce then so by extension it's assumed that he commands the airforce as well. +or act as it actually says in the constitution,the president shall be commander in chief of the army and navy of the united states and of the militia of the several states erm there wasn't an airforce then so by extension it's assumed that he commands the airforce as well. okay, commander in chief. right. we're making progress. @@ -82923,129 +82848,129 @@ working hard this man. who's gonna help him? what do you understand by the term nomination? does he have the power of appointment? -right i shall read aloud, all together, chant this in your sleep he shall have power let's read it all he shall have power by and with, by and with the advice and consent of the senate to make treaties he shall nominate and by and with the advice and consent of the senate shall appoint ambassadors other public ministers and consuls judges of the supreme court and all other officers of the united states whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for . +right i shall read aloud, all together, chant this in your sleep he shall have power let's read it all he shall have power by and with, by and with the advice and consent of the senate to make treaties he shall nominate and by and with the advice and consent of the senate shall appoint ambassadors other public ministers and consuls judges of the supreme court and all other officers of the united states whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for . interesting isn't it? -the president of the united states is not free to appoint whoever he chooses as secretary of state or secretary of the treasury or as director of the c i a or director of the f b i or the secretary of defence or the justice of the supreme court or ambassador to london or anybody else except by and with the consent of the senate. +the president of the united states is not free to appoint whoever he chooses as secretary of state or secretary of the treasury or as director of the c i a or director of the f b i or the secretary of defence or the justice of the supreme court or ambassador to london or anybody else except by and with the consent of the senate. so remarkable restriction. does the president of the united states have any powers over the congress? does he have any way of controlling or directing what congress does? at the back there. -the veto, yes we touched upon that, that's that's stopping the congress from doing something rather than making them do something. +the veto, yes we touched upon that, that's that's stopping the congress from doing something rather than making them do something. no. -so you can't dissolve a congress, there's a fixed term, i'll read you what the constitution says, it says the president shall from time to time give to the congress information on the state of the union you may have heard of the famous state of the union address to congress that the president makes on an annual basis and he shall recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient . -so this is not a power here, this is again it's a recommendation, as with the appointment it's a recommendation to the congress. +so you can't dissolve a congress, there's a fixed term, i'll read you what the constitution says, it says the president shall from time to time give to the congress information on the state of the union you may have heard of the famous state of the union address to congress that the president makes on an annual basis and he shall recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient . +so this is not a power here, this is again it's a recommendation, as with the appointment it's a recommendation to the congress. and i think what that emphasises in the constitution is that the founding fathers, who devised the constitution, saw the congress as the central organ of american government and they saw the presidency as an appendage. and i think what i was trying to say, get over last time was that this has been in a sense practically inverted in american politics today. that the presidency is now seen as the heart of the american system and the congress is seen as a sort of unfortunate if necessary check and control on the presidency. -but if you think about it in contemporary terms i i was giving a lecture in london er a couple of weeks ago erm on the subject of erm america's changing foreign policy under clinton if you just think about foreign policy making and who makes it, and questions of consistency and you think about some of the crises that are going on in the world from bosnia and so on what does the constitution tell us? -the constitution tells us that the president of the united states is commander in chief of american armed forces and as commander in chief he can despatch american armed forces to any part of the world he chooses to. -there's a nice story about my, one of my favourite presidents, i told you last time, theodore roosevelt, roosevelt got very frustrated with congress so he sent the american navy, he had no money, they wouldn't give him any money, so he sent the american navy to the philippines and he said to congress if you want them back again you'd better vote some more money cos they haven't got any fuel erm which is a fairly odd way of proceeding one might think. -so if you think of it, let's just take, take these, these in turn the president is commander in chief, what does that mean? +but if you think about it in contemporary terms i i was giving a lecture in london er a couple of weeks ago erm on the subject of erm america's changing foreign policy under clinton if you just think about foreign policy making and who makes it, and questions of consistency and you think about some of the crises that are going on in the world from bosnia and so on what does the constitution tell us? +the constitution tells us that the president of the united states is commander in chief of american armed forces and as commander in chief he can despatch american armed forces to any part of the world he chooses to. +there's a nice story about my, one of my favourite presidents, i told you last time, theodore roosevelt, roosevelt got very frustrated with congress so he sent the american navy, he had no money, they wouldn't give him any money, so he sent the american navy to the philippines and he said to congress if you want them back again you'd better vote some more money cos they haven't got any fuel erm which is a fairly odd way of proceeding one might think. +so if you think of it, let's just take, take these, these in turn the president is commander in chief, what does that mean? can the president of the united states commit america to war? who possesses the war making power? and the answer is the congress. so although the president is given by the constitution the power of commander in chief, in the same document at the same time congress is given the power to declare war. -the president, it says in the constitution which i've just read, the president has the power to make treaties to make agreements with foreign countries. +the president, it says in the constitution which i've just read, the president has the power to make treaties to make agreements with foreign countries. we've seen treaties on er nuclear disarmament, we've seen treaties on control of the panama canal in recent years. the president has the power to make treaties but the constitution says only, only if those treaties are approved by two thirds of the senate. -and if you want to try to understand say something like the er iran contra scandal then part of the roots of that scandal lie in the american constitution in the way that there is,th that the president is controlled by other aspects of the constitution. -the president is not free to choose, to start wars wherever he feels like it, the president is not free to make agreements with any country he feels like making it with and some presidents have had to learn the hard way. -if you remember your, from, from your history at school the, the, the first world war the americans in the historic role of arriving at wars rather late erm came in to the first world war to win it for us erm and after it president wilson who used to be professor of politics at princeton, just put that in, er president wilson created, essentially cos we were all bankrupt at the time as usual er the americans the only ones who had any money left at the end of the wars, erm president wilson helped to create the league of nations, the forerunner of the united nations but the u s senate refused to ratify the agreement. +and if you want to try to understand say something like the er iran contra scandal then part of the roots of that scandal lie in the american constitution in the way that there is,th that the president is controlled by other aspects of the constitution. +the president is not free to choose, to start wars wherever he feels like it, the president is not free to make agreements with any country he feels like making it with and some presidents have had to learn the hard way. +if you remember your, from, from your history at school the, the, the first world war the americans in the historic role of arriving at wars rather late erm came in to the first world war to win it for us erm and after it president wilson who used to be professor of politics at princeton, just put that in, er president wilson created, essentially cos we were all bankrupt at the time as usual er the americans the only ones who had any money left at the end of the wars, erm president wilson helped to create the league of nations, the forerunner of the united nations but the u s senate refused to ratify the agreement. the american president was then left with a situation in which he'd created a club which he hims he himself couldn't join. er so that there is built into the constitution then, checks and controls on the president. -and if you look at the literature on the american presidency in the post second world war years you will find two themes two related themes. -one is a theme of er presidential frustration the idea that the presidency of the united states is too weak an institution to cope with the responsibilities that it faces. -and this was a particularly popular view in the nineteen sixties and you found lots of people arguing that the american system needed reform that here was the president who was hamstrung by congress, or in the er in the er question i've set in the, in the programme, you know, the president is less gulliver in lilliput, you know, as more like pinocchio in lilliput erm that the president has enormous responsibilities, that the nation looks to the president, the world looks to the president but the president can't do anything and that you need an increase in presidential power. -now that was true until the late sixties early seventies and of course er you find there the election to the o to the white house of one richard milhous nixon, conservative republican er a man who was not above hiring gangsters and burglars to do his work for him, and this produced a reaction and if you read the, the presidential literature of the nineteen seventies you will find the opposite, you will find er political scientists, all american, er demanding reforms of the american system, not to make the president more powerful but to make the president less powerful. +and if you look at the literature on the american presidency in the post second world war years you will find two themes two related themes. +one is a theme of er presidential frustration the idea that the presidency of the united states is too weak an institution to cope with the responsibilities that it faces. +and this was a particularly popular view in the nineteen sixties and you found lots of people arguing that the american system needed reform that here was the president who was hamstrung by congress, or in the er in the er question i've set in the, in the programme, you know, the president is less gulliver in lilliput, you know, as more like pinocchio in lilliput erm that the president has enormous responsibilities, that the nation looks to the president, the world looks to the president but the president can't do anything and that you need an increase in presidential power. +now that was true until the late sixties early seventies and of course er you find there the election to the o to the white house of one richard milhous nixon, conservative republican er a man who was not above hiring gangsters and burglars to do his work for him, and this produced a reaction and if you read the, the presidential literature of the nineteen seventies you will find the opposite, you will find er political scientists, all american, er demanding reforms of the american system, not to make the president more powerful but to make the president less powerful. indeed the best selling book of the nineteen seventies in american politics by a famous historian arthur schlesinger junior called, it was called the imperial presidency. you don't have to read the book, it's rubbish, but i mean you can just say, if you remember the title, the imperial presidency, here was a view that the presidency had become dominant, the presidency had grown out of all proportion to the intentions of the founding fathers and needed to be reined back. -and then of course you've got ronald reagan and history ended with ronald reagan. -the what you've got here was an ideological debate. +and then of course you've got ronald reagan and history ended with ronald reagan. +the what you've got here was an ideological debate. in the nineteen sixties you had broa this is a broad brush approach, you had liberal, quote unquote, progressive, quote unquote, presidents faced with conservative congresses and the conservative congress was preventing the liberal president from taking action. -ninety five percent of american political scientists are liberal democrats they didn't like that, so they wrote books criticizing congress and saying the president ought to have more power. -but then the good old american public elected nixon so here you had al capone in the white house and these same political scientists wrote books saying hey hang on, when we said more power to the president we meant more power for our kind of president, you know, jack, you know, and l b j and the boys, not this nixon, tricky dicky character. +ninety five percent of american political scientists are liberal democrats they didn't like that, so they wrote books criticizing congress and saying the president ought to have more power. +but then the good old american public elected nixon so here you had al capone in the white house and these same political scientists wrote books saying hey hang on, when we said more power to the president we meant more power for our kind of president, you know, jack, you know, and l b j and the boys, not this nixon, tricky dicky character. what we want here is controls on the president. er and it's, it's very odd, very odd because, you know, there's an ideological reaction. faced with a conservative president the liberals want to control the presidency, faced with a liberal presidency er conservative congress want to control the presidency. -so there's a, there's a tug of war here and it's partly institutional, it's partly a congressional presidential conflict and it's partly a liberal conservative conflict about the nature er of the presidency as an institution. +so there's a, there's a tug of war here and it's partly institutional, it's partly a congressional presidential conflict and it's partly a liberal conservative conflict about the nature er of the presidency as an institution. okay well let me say something now about what political power means er to an american president and what its limits are. -and what i will do is to look erm tt in some detail at er an analysis of a man r called richard newstat i mentioned last time, mr shirley williams, and richard newstat wrote a book in nineteen sixty called presidential power and that book is now in whatever, what it is, i don't know, seventh or eight edition and it's probably still the single best selling book on the american presidency and er for good reason because it, it, it raises an, an argument which is really quite simple but often neglected. -before i do that let me just digress and say one word about books, i've had a few people ask me about books erm i gather that the distinguished durham bookshops have sold out of my wonderful book but i gather that lorries are hurtling up motorways with -planes are landing as we speak, erm there are an enormous number of books on american politics, most of them are identical er with different covers. -it takes at least five americans to write a book erm they're all multi- authored volumes erm for, for most of your purposes, for almost all your purposes er and certainly for basic reading for, for lectures and, and tutorials it really doesn't matter which one you read erm there are, i mean there are in the library i think the last time i counted them about twenty five or thirty general textbooks on american politics, it doesn't really matter er which one you read. +and what i will do is to look erm tt in some detail at er an analysis of a man r called richard newstat i mentioned last time, mr shirley williams, and richard newstat wrote a book in nineteen sixty called presidential power and that book is now in whatever, what it is, i don't know, seventh or eight edition and it's probably still the single best selling book on the american presidency and er for good reason because it, it, it raises an, an argument which is really quite simple but often neglected. +before i do that let me just digress and say one word about books, i've had a few people ask me about books erm i gather that the distinguished durham bookshops have sold out of my wonderful book but i gather that lorries are hurtling up motorways with +planes are landing as we speak, erm there are an enormous number of books on american politics, most of them are identical er with different covers. +it takes at least five americans to write a book erm they're all multi- authored volumes erm for, for most of your purposes, for almost all your purposes er and certainly for basic reading for, for lectures and, and tutorials it really doesn't matter which one you read erm there are, i mean there are in the library i think the last time i counted them about twenty five or thirty general textbooks on american politics, it doesn't really matter er which one you read. some are better than others and one of course is extraordinarily distinguished. okay. let me then say a little bit about newstat and presidential power and, and if you remember my last lecture i said that he was the man who coined the phrase that presidential power is the power to persuade. -now er dick newstat er didn't invent that phrase, he got it in fact from, from president harry truman tt erm in the nineteen forties. -truman once said he was asked what the job of the presidency involved and truman once said i sit here all day trying to persuade people to do the things they ought to have the sense to do without my persuading them. +now er dick newstat er didn't invent that phrase, he got it in fact from, from president harry truman tt erm in the nineteen forties. +truman once said he was asked what the job of the presidency involved and truman once said i sit here all day trying to persuade people to do the things they ought to have the sense to do without my persuading them. but the word persuade occurs several times. why, because i have, in the previous discussion we've just had, i emphasised the limits on presidential power, on direction. -what er newstat does though is something quite interesting he says well we all know, well i hope you all know, that there are limits on presidential power and we all know that the president can't direct congress, we know the president can't appoint anybody without consulting congress, we know the president can't control the supreme court, we know all these limitations but nevertheless, leaving that to one side, pushing that to one side, there are major powers here. -commander in chief of the armed forces let's take, let's take er cases of presidential power being used by presidents to see what it in fact means in practice. -and i'll just, just discuss briefly two of the cases that he uses and they're, you know, they're, they're old now, i haven't read the most recent edition of his book, he might have updated his case studies but it doesn't really matter he takes two cases er one relating to erm the conduct of the korean war in the nineteen fifties, and the other relating to the desegregation of southern schools, also in the nineteen fifties, as examples of presidential power. +what er newstat does though is something quite interesting he says well we all know, well i hope you all know, that there are limits on presidential power and we all know that the president can't direct congress, we know the president can't appoint anybody without consulting congress, we know the president can't control the supreme court, we know all these limitations but nevertheless, leaving that to one side, pushing that to one side, there are major powers here. +commander in chief of the armed forces let's take, let's take er cases of presidential power being used by presidents to see what it in fact means in practice. +and i'll just, just discuss briefly two of the cases that he uses and they're, you know, they're, they're old now, i haven't read the most recent edition of his book, he might have updated his case studies but it doesn't really matter he takes two cases er one relating to erm the conduct of the korean war in the nineteen fifties, and the other relating to the desegregation of southern schools, also in the nineteen fifties, as examples of presidential power. now let me just, let me just run, run the story by you. -here comes a brief history of the korean war starting in about, yes, about ninety seconds on the korean war erm north korea invades south korea and won. -the americans decided that an armed resistance was necessary and they went to the united nations, shades of bosnia here, they went to the united nations to get support and, as luck would have it, the soviets were sulking, this was quite common in the nineteen forties and fifties, and the a the soviet ambassador to the u n was having a sulk and was refusing to attend the security council and he therefore persuaded the security council to pass a resolution er producing a united nations force to aid plucky little south korea against its vicious oppressive northern neighbours and so the korean war started and the united nations' forces were commanded by one general douglas macarthur, general douglas macarthur, in case you don't know, won the second world war single handedly -er it's not funny, he believed it. +here comes a brief history of the korean war starting in about, yes, about ninety seconds on the korean war erm north korea invades south korea and won. +the americans decided that an armed resistance was necessary and they went to the united nations, shades of bosnia here, they went to the united nations to get support and, as luck would have it, the soviets were sulking, this was quite common in the nineteen forties and fifties, and the a the soviet ambassador to the u n was having a sulk and was refusing to attend the security council and he therefore persuaded the security council to pass a resolution er producing a united nations force to aid plucky little south korea against its vicious oppressive northern neighbours and so the korean war started and the united nations' forces were commanded by one general douglas macarthur, general douglas macarthur, in case you don't know, won the second world war single handedly +er it's not funny, he believed it. erm he, he won the second world war in the pacific and after the war he became emperor of japan, well that wasn't his title but that's how he saw it. tt and so he was then sent to er to er wo mi mop up this little skirmish in korea. tt with the aid of the good general the er united nations army and the south koreans pushed the north koreans back into north korea and er macarthur's view was well while we're winning why don't we keep going, you know, perhaps we could take over china as well -erm and the north koreans were going backwards at a vast rate of knots and in came the chinese the chinese army, it stood at that time i think at twenty five million men erm and, and douglas started losing again, sad really isn't it? -er at this point douglas said er he thought it'd be a jolly good idea if they dropped a few of these new bombs that they'd discovered at hiroshima and nagasaki er on these slit eyed people and that would really show them who was in control of the world er now this, as you might expect, caused something of a problem to president truman. -now president truman er was a man of erm limited intelligence but extraordinary courage and tenacity and erm er his previous career involved a failed haberdashery store which went bankrupt, er and then acted as a bag man for a sort of organized crime in kansas city but that's, you know, you've gotta get on the job training somewhere haven't you? +erm and the north koreans were going backwards at a vast rate of knots and in came the chinese the chinese army, it stood at that time i think at twenty five million men erm and, and douglas started losing again, sad really isn't it? +er at this point douglas said er he thought it'd be a jolly good idea if they dropped a few of these new bombs that they'd discovered at hiroshima and nagasaki er on these slit eyed people and that would really show them who was in control of the world er now this, as you might expect, caused something of a problem to president truman. +now president truman er was a man of erm limited intelligence but extraordinary courage and tenacity and erm er his previous career involved a failed haberdashery store which went bankrupt, er and then acted as a bag man for a sort of organized crime in kansas city but that's, you know, you've gotta get on the job training somewhere haven't you? anyway he wasn't viewed, he was not viewed by, by the emperor of japan, sorry douglas macarthur, as er as a very impressive figure. -in the end harry truman decided that he really couldn't stomach any more of douglas macarthur this, this guy was clearly off the planet, you know er and so er president truman sacked macarthur and er replaced him as commander in korea. +in the end harry truman decided that he really couldn't stomach any more of douglas macarthur this, this guy was clearly off the planet, you know er and so er president truman sacked macarthur and er replaced him as commander in korea. and this is an ex example, as er newstat first presents it, of presidential power. -here is a man, he's commander in chief, he's the president of the united states he's faced with a, a recalcitrant and difficult general who was sabotaging the purposes of his campaign, extending the campaign beyond proper limits and the president has to show who's boss, and he showed him who's boss and he sacked him, great, presidential power in action. -but there's a fly in the ointment and the fly in the ointment is that general douglas macarthur was a war hero, general douglas macarthur was one of the most popular men in the united states and harry truman was one of the least popular men in the united states. -er harry truman could've run for the presidency in nineteen fifty two but chose not to. -he chose not to, not because he wasn't enjoying it, he loved it, but he chose not to because he knew he would lose and part of the reason knew he would lose was because he sacked douglas macarthur. -one of the consequences of sacking douglas macarthur was that the u s congress called hearings on television into truman's conduct of the korean war and truman's public popularity fell even further. -when douglas macarthur returned to america, macarthur had not been back to america since nineteen forty one this is ten years later, he'd been running japan in the meantime there was one of these huge ticker-tape parades in new york, he was the welcoming hero and president truman was seen as the villain and some analysts argue that that decision, that single decision to sack macarthur may well have cost harry truman the american presidency. +here is a man, he's commander in chief, he's the president of the united states he's faced with a, a recalcitrant and difficult general who was sabotaging the purposes of his campaign, extending the campaign beyond proper limits and the president has to show who's boss, and he showed him who's boss and he sacked him, great, presidential power in action. +but there's a fly in the ointment and the fly in the ointment is that general douglas macarthur was a war hero, general douglas macarthur was one of the most popular men in the united states and harry truman was one of the least popular men in the united states. +er harry truman could've run for the presidency in nineteen fifty two but chose not to. +he chose not to, not because he wasn't enjoying it, he loved it, but he chose not to because he knew he would lose and part of the reason knew he would lose was because he sacked douglas macarthur. +one of the consequences of sacking douglas macarthur was that the u s congress called hearings on television into truman's conduct of the korean war and truman's public popularity fell even further. +when douglas macarthur returned to america, macarthur had not been back to america since nineteen forty one this is ten years later, he'd been running japan in the meantime there was one of these huge ticker-tape parades in new york, he was the welcoming hero and president truman was seen as the villain and some analysts argue that that decision, that single decision to sack macarthur may well have cost harry truman the american presidency. and that's presidential power? the other example that er er newstat uses is about segregation in southern schools. here what we had was a case of the supreme court, well i'll say more about this later, but the supreme court declaring segregation by race to be unconstitutional and requiring that these decisions be recognized and enforced by relevant authorities. -most of the southern states resisted this and in one particular state one that's sprung to prominence in recent times, the state of arkansas er and its capital little rock, the then state governor, who wasn't then bill clinton but a man called orville forbus defied the supreme court's order and on a historic day in nineteen fifty four a little troupe of black children trooped up to the local high school and were met by armed, armed police and turned away. -president eisenhower, who was also a war hero, er republican president er when he heard of forbus's erm actions er he er he sent federal troops to little rock, arkansas, and on the second day of the school year federal troops in full combat gear, you know with, with machine guns and all the rest of it and er helmets and stuff, escorted the black children into school. +most of the southern states resisted this and in one particular state one that's sprung to prominence in recent times, the state of arkansas er and its capital little rock, the then state governor, who wasn't then bill clinton but a man called orville forbus defied the supreme court's order and on a historic day in nineteen fifty four a little troupe of black children trooped up to the local high school and were met by armed, armed police and turned away. +president eisenhower, who was also a war hero, er republican president er when he heard of forbus's erm actions er he er he sent federal troops to little rock, arkansas, and on the second day of the school year federal troops in full combat gear, you know with, with machine guns and all the rest of it and er helmets and stuff, escorted the black children into school. and this was another demonstration or confirmation at one level of presidential power. here you had the governor of a state in a federal system choosing to act in a particular way and the president overriding him and demonstrating his power. well that's certainly one way of looking at it erm but it's not the way that eisenhower looked at it, and it's not the way that many people looked at it erm tt afterwards. -erm i think the, the point that's being made here is that even within the defined areas of authority given to him by the constitution, the president finds it very difficult to act unless certain specific conditions are met. -erm the president finds that people only obey his decisions if certain conditions are met and these conditions rarely come together. -let me, let me just illustrate that in the case of sacking macarthur and in the case of sending federal troops to little rock to des desegregate schools, the orders were readily carried out. +erm i think the, the point that's being made here is that even within the defined areas of authority given to him by the constitution, the president finds it very difficult to act unless certain specific conditions are met. +erm the president finds that people only obey his decisions if certain conditions are met and these conditions rarely come together. +let me, let me just illustrate that in the case of sacking macarthur and in the case of sending federal troops to little rock to des desegregate schools, the orders were readily carried out. macarthur didn't say to truman hey you can't sack me, i'm the emperor of japan, no? i've, i've got the divine right of kings or something. he recognized the president's authority. he didn't always recognize the president's authority, there's a wonderful, there's a wonderful true story of er er at some point in the korean war truman flew out from los angeles and macarthur flew out from er korea and they met in one of the pacific islands, i forget which one i er wake island i think, and, and on the runway you had the president's plane at one end and macarthur's plane at the other end you see, and truman sits there waiting for macarthur to come to him and macarthur sits there waiting for the president to come to him, you see, and nobody moves. so after about half an hour of this truman sends an order saying tell that son of a bitch to get over here. and reluctantly macarthur agreed to come and talk to the president. -but when the order came signed by the president you know, hands up, who's commander in chief, not so fast macarthur, you're out of a job erm macarthur accepted that. +but when the order came signed by the president you know, hands up, who's commander in chief, not so fast macarthur, you're out of a job erm macarthur accepted that. when er the army was instructed by the president to go to little rock and enforce the desegregation of schools, they went and they did it. but how often, how often are presidents' decisions or orders complied with? -and only if certain conditions are met, i would argue or as richard newstat argued and i agree with him so he must be right, erm the first is that in this decision the president's involvement was unambiguous unambiguous, there was no question about it that here you had the president directly, personally involved in a one to one communication. +and only if certain conditions are met, i would argue or as richard newstat argued and i agree with him so he must be right, erm the first is that in this decision the president's involvement was unambiguous unambiguous, there was no question about it that here you had the president directly, personally involved in a one to one communication. how often has that happened? most of the time the president works through other people. -so you're sitting in your office and some, you know your, your boss comes in and says hey the president says so and so, but the president doesn't usually say it to you he says it to somebody else so there's always, there's always a possibility of ambiguity, somebody else has interpreted the president's message in a particular way. +so you're sitting in your office and some, you know your, your boss comes in and says hey the president says so and so, but the president doesn't usually say it to you he says it to somebody else so there's always, there's always a possibility of ambiguity, somebody else has interpreted the president's message in a particular way. but these cases, douglas macarthur had his piece of paper, harry truman's signature on the bottom, you're fired. you know, this is not capable of many different interpretations, it's clearly not a promotion, you know it's clearly not a reward for good behaviour, you know it's, it's a, it's a sanction. -the second is, the second condition is that the president's language was plain and simple. +the second is, the second condition is that the president's language was plain and simple. there was no question of er, again, ambiguity creeping in. -there's the classic story of erm at the time of the cuban missile crisis er nikita khrushchev in nineteen sixty two said to jack kennedy hey you want us to get our missiles out of cuba, why don't you get your missiles out of turkey? -you know, you're worried about us threatening you on your borders, you've been threatening us on our borders you get rid of yours we'll get rid of ours, fair? +there's the classic story of erm at the time of the cuban missile crisis er nikita khrushchev in nineteen sixty two said to jack kennedy hey you want us to get our missiles out of cuba, why don't you get your missiles out of turkey? +you know, you're worried about us threatening you on your borders, you've been threatening us on our borders you get rid of yours we'll get rid of ours, fair? seems reasonable. -eighteen months previously president kennedy had ordered the withdrawal of the american missiles in turkey but eighteen months later those missiles were still there and when kennedy was presented with this bargain, bargaining counter by khrushchev he sort of shouted at his chiefs of staff and secretary of defence and anyone else he could shout at and sort of said what the hell are those missiles still doing in turkey, i told you eighteen months ago for god's sake get rid of them! -and his adviser said well mr president you did say we should get rid of the missiles in turkey but you didn't say when you know, you didn't say by tuesday morning at ten o'clock or by next week or in three months' time, you just said withdraw the missiles from turkey. +eighteen months previously president kennedy had ordered the withdrawal of the american missiles in turkey but eighteen months later those missiles were still there and when kennedy was presented with this bargain, bargaining counter by khrushchev he sort of shouted at his chiefs of staff and secretary of defence and anyone else he could shout at and sort of said what the hell are those missiles still doing in turkey, i told you eighteen months ago for god's sake get rid of them! +and his adviser said well mr president you did say we should get rid of the missiles in turkey but you didn't say when you know, you didn't say by tuesday morning at ten o'clock or by next week or in three months' time, you just said withdraw the missiles from turkey. and what happened in practice was simply the turkish government made representations to the state department and said hey, you know, these bases, they provide a lot of work, you know, we have to provide empl alternative employment for these people so could we phase out this withdrawal over say a three year programme? and the state department said sure, you know, cos they didn't have a deadline, the president hadn't given a deadline. so that's usually the way things happen, the president can't spell out things and dot the is and cross the ts. so two conditions then, the president's involvement is unambiguous, the second that his language is plain. the third is that a president's decision is widely publicized. the sacking of macarthur was a public sacking, it was intended to be a public humiliation of macarthur, and that's what it was. -but most government business doesn't take place on television most government business takes place behind closed doors. +but most government business doesn't take place on television most government business takes place behind closed doors. in most cases, on most issues, nobody knows what the president has decided. only his immediate advisers and staff know that. and where, where the president speaks publicly, then his orders are obviously much more likely to carry weight than if it's simply behind, behind closed doors. -the fourth factor is that there's really no point in giving people orders or making up policies or decisions unless the people who receive the orders have the resources to carry them out. +the fourth factor is that there's really no point in giving people orders or making up policies or decisions unless the people who receive the orders have the resources to carry them out. and in this case it was no big deal, a company of soldier you want a company of soldiers to go to little rock? no problem. you want er you want a letter carried by hand and given in to the hand of douglas macarthur? @@ -83054,7 +82979,7 @@ i think the resources of the american government can manage that. but if the president says hey, you know, go and win the war in vietnam for me, you know, that's a bit more tricky, a bit more tricky. doesn't, doesn't automatically follow just because the president expresses a wish that it, that it happens. and er fifthly then, the fifth condition is that those who receive presidential orders were in no doubt about the president's authority to give those orders. -the president here remember is working under his powers as commander in chief directly from the constitution and nobody questioned it. +the president here remember is working under his powers as commander in chief directly from the constitution and nobody questioned it. if they had questioned it the chances of the orders being carried out would've been much less of course. so these are in a sense then the five factors making for compliance. five factors which make presidential power er a reality. @@ -83075,39 +83000,38 @@ and the similar tale can be told of the, the episode in little rock. general dwight d eisenhower, when elected president of the united states, had absolutely zero interest, minus zero interest, in the question of racial integration. president eisenhower took the view that what happened in the states was really a matter for each state to decide. he was very concerned that the integration of the races might lead to violence and public disorder on a large scale. -he spoke publicly about the need for each state to work out its own solution and erm earlier in that year, in fact it's nineteen fifty seven, i think i said fifty four before, er earlier in that year nineteen fifty seven er eisenhower said in a speech in r in response to a hypothetical question he said i can't imagine any set of circumstances that would ever induce me to send federal troops into any state to enforce the orders of a federal court . +he spoke publicly about the need for each state to work out its own solution and erm earlier in that year, in fact it's nineteen fifty seven, i think i said fifty four before, er earlier in that year nineteen fifty seven er eisenhower said in a speech in r in response to a hypothetical question he said i can't imagine any set of circumstances that would ever induce me to send federal troops into any state to enforce the orders of a federal court . and six months later he did just that. -what had changed was two things, one that the governor of the state had talked about defying the court rather than actually do it and secondly, that eisenhower had summoned forbus to see him at camp david, the president's summer retreat in maryland, and had a weekend of talks with forbus now i wasn't there, i was at primary school then, but i wasn't there as far as one can piece it together what, what eisenhower said to forbus was, you know, i don't really care what you do, but i don't want it on prime time national television, i don't want a scene, i don't want you to flagrantly, openly, publicly to flout the order of the court. +what had changed was two things, one that the governor of the state had talked about defying the court rather than actually do it and secondly, that eisenhower had summoned forbus to see him at camp david, the president's summer retreat in maryland, and had a weekend of talks with forbus now i wasn't there, i was at primary school then, but i wasn't there as far as one can piece it together what, what eisenhower said to forbus was, you know, i don't really care what you do, but i don't want it on prime time national television, i don't want a scene, i don't want you to flagrantly, openly, publicly to flout the order of the court. there's more than one way to prevent segre to prevent integration, you can draw school boundaries in certain ways to effectively segregate schools if you want to, but let's not have this macho stuff on the school steps, armed guards, you know, er i mean er the pictures of mobs, that's the only expression for them i suppose, mobs of white people, you know, throwing, throwing bricks and bottles at seven and eight year old black children on the way to school, i don't want, i don't want, i can do without it. and he spent two days trying to impress this upon forbus and forbus went back to arkansas and did exactly what he said he was going to do. and this was construed by er president eisenhower as a direct snub to him, that he had tried to solve a situation, a difficult situation by persuasion and he'd failed. and so forbus was gonna get the smack of firm government and the federal troops went into little rock and sorted it out. now that's not what president eisenhower wanted, i've just read out this quotation, it's the last thing i want to do he says but he's driven to do it because the state governor refused to accept the arguments that, that eisenhower put to him. so what er richard newstat is saying in his argument is, is, and go back to the beginning of this lecture, is to say the constitution of the united states makes life extremely difficult for any president. -there are a whole range of things he can't do, he can't direct congress, he can't appoint who he wants freely, he can't make treaties with whom he wants when he wants, he can't start wars if he wants to start wars all these controls are on the president but what i, what er newstat is saying is, over and above that, even in the areas where he appears to have constitutional authority, as a matter of practice it's very difficult for the president to exercise his authority and when the president does exercise his authority he does so at great cost to himself. +there are a whole range of things he can't do, he can't direct congress, he can't appoint who he wants freely, he can't make treaties with whom he wants when he wants, he can't start wars if he wants to start wars all these controls are on the president but what i, what er newstat is saying is, over and above that, even in the areas where he appears to have constitutional authority, as a matter of practice it's very difficult for the president to exercise his authority and when the president does exercise his authority he does so at great cost to himself. it's damaging to the president to exert power over people. -what is the lesson of all this, according to richard newstat the lesson is that techniques of persuasion are really the essential armoury of any president, any president who wishes to be successful. -and you've got in at least two of the last three presidents in president clinton and president reagan, two presidents who, who intuitively understand that, who absorbed that message, they are great persuaders. +what is the lesson of all this, according to richard newstat the lesson is that techniques of persuasion are really the essential armoury of any president, any president who wishes to be successful. +and you've got in at least two of the last three presidents in president clinton and president reagan, two presidents who, who intuitively understand that, who absorbed that message, they are great persuaders. they may not persuade you but they are great persuaders. ronald reagan er was the master of persuasion both through er his control and, and, and confidence on television and so forth but also in one to one conversations with er cabinet members or with er members of congress or whoever. a man of great personal charm, i'm told. -bill clinton invests a huge amount of time in persuading people, he likes to work, he likes to work in teams and groups, he doesn't like to sit there giving orders. +bill clinton invests a huge amount of time in persuading people, he likes to work, he likes to work in teams and groups, he doesn't like to sit there giving orders. if you sit at the white house in the oval office and give orders then nothing will happen. you have to persuade people and persuasion is a constant process and so clinton is permanently engaged in persuading people to do the things they ought to have the sense to do without him persuading them. okay, thank you. - come in. hello. -hello what can we +hello what can we do for you sir? it's this shoulder stuffed up again. having trouble again? aye. -headaches +headaches mhm. you know they're getting worse and worse and worse. i think it's the . -wasn't it or something you gave me? +wasn't it or something you gave me? yes. oh. that was january. @@ -83123,7 +83047,7 @@ mm. it's when i go to lie down at night you know that's it. and then the headaches just start. you know? -when, when you were taking the was it better? +when, when you were taking the was it better? no. no change at all? no. @@ -83131,7 +83055,7 @@ no change. no. no change at all. right. -i don't want to give you anything that's gonna knock you silly or +i don't want to give you anything that's gonna knock you silly or mm. dopey with it or anything like that. mm . @@ -83142,17 +83066,17 @@ tt er been reading too much in this sunday post. she's got me this and that and all the rest of it you know? mm. -but i don't know what you've got without waiting for any i +but i don't know what you've got without waiting for any i couldn't tell you. i couldn't tell you. -it's er +it's er i'm still trying to give up the cigarettes you know? i got those patches. -so mm. +so mm. do these patches seem alright though? have you seen ? yes. -aye and they're +aye and they're oh. patches are fine. are they? @@ -83170,7 +83094,7 @@ headaches or, fine. mm. do it. no. -but when you've got something else that's hard. +but when you've got something else that's hard. mm. that's hard. mm. @@ -83187,16 +83111,16 @@ before you start doing anything else. mm . here we are now. that's that. -actually travel this . +actually travel this . ah. yes it'll, it'll travel right down to the tips ah. of your fingers. aye. if you feel that there's -are you tonight? +are you tonight? no. -i'm on er i signed off +i'm on er i signed off oh right. too right. okay. @@ -83212,7 +83136,6 @@ okay. thank you very much then doctor . okay. cheerio then. - and i'll see you next, let me just make a note of this, on this form, a green form. another one that's dribbling now erm it's at forty eight @@ -83295,18 +83218,18 @@ sorry and i had my breakfast what would you like to go down as a scrubber? mummy my drink, mummy my drink -i never thought of that actually i was thinking of scrubbing the kitchens and that or maybe we would, or maybe we would put that down -no, i don't think so, you'll probably get, get had up for having a erm brothel +i never thought of that actually i was thinking of scrubbing the kitchens and that or maybe we would, or maybe we would put that down +no, i don't think so, you'll probably get, get had up for having a erm brothel oh look at that i've lost me pen now, bloody thing's, okay occupation? what's your occupational hazard? i am i'm not putting down there just do the washer upper what's the matter in the oxford dictionary -alex a washer upper +alex a washer upper can i have a drink? you -oh i know her , erm secretary +oh i know her , erm secretary i didn't how do you spell that? s e c @@ -83341,7 +83264,7 @@ alright, a hundred and fifteen? fifty oh that's a lot yeah it is quite a lot, erm -you know like some days you can have a really like you never +you know like some days you can have a really like you never everything on the menu is like really messy yeah and say like say it takes absolutely ages to clean the dishes and pots you know, but like you say it was erm chili con carne, erm tuna and celery pie, what else was there on? @@ -83365,7 +83288,7 @@ oh we've emptied it too much tell you what don't play with these shall we go and buy you some juice okay, cos we've really ran out of juice this morning didn't he? -oh yeah i got all your bits then , he hasn't had hardly had anything to drink again today he doesn't seem to drink, he eats all his food, oh he ate that pudding no problem +oh yeah i got all your bits then , he hasn't had hardly had anything to drink again today he doesn't seem to drink, he eats all his food, oh he ate that pudding no problem oh did he? yeah he loved it and then they tell you just cover it, the taste of the food some time @@ -83409,7 +83332,7 @@ you go home and kip so i thought you'll probably give him a bottle when you got here anyway, so i was going to give him one, it all depends when he got up and i thought you'll probably give him one so i didn't yeah, but i mean he was so happy playing -yeah, he'll probably forget i doubt it though +yeah, he'll probably forget i doubt it though would you know where they think it is larna? your what? yeah @@ -83418,7 +83341,7 @@ yeah it could be that you only had these two bags didn't we? erm wouldn't have the i mean -it could be that, yeah you've got a drink in there +it could be that, yeah you've got a drink in there it's been in this week oh you want your coat when did they do it? @@ -83453,14 +83376,14 @@ what's the matter? vicky got a new bed vicky got a new bed i know i saw it this morning it's really smart isn't it? -how could you, you live far, far away +how could you, you live far, far away what do you say? excuse me or pardon you didn't see it this morning, well, i mean when you come over yeah, well when i got it out the car but, just wash that down erm what was i going, i was going to tell you something -yeah you was weren't you till they interrupting +yeah you was weren't you till they interrupting oh that juice, you know when erm they're six weeks old and you get the bounty packs? yeah still had that, i ran out of his usual juice this morning, i went oh i can't believe it @@ -83504,7 +83427,7 @@ we have the one that's the thickest and kieran don't do that darling oh okay now, it's okay oh, he, he always starts to whinge when i lay him down to do his coat up, he don't like -the latest thing is putting his wrist on, anything he's gotta get his arms through oh let's go +the latest thing is putting his wrist on, anything he's gotta get his arms through oh let's go right i'll speak to you again next week it's friday again tomorrow ah @@ -83528,7 +83451,7 @@ i've had up to five floating around the house before and then we can't find one, that's where they all are, i've got them bye, see you all tomorrow alex, alex -eh got it +eh got it alex, alex i've got it no i think it's a shame about, it doesn't really matter, mm i'm not quite sure alex i don't know @@ -83546,7 +83469,7 @@ see you later, bye mummy charlotte come on, come and watch cartoons do it mum -charlotte i'm shutting the door it's cold come on +charlotte i'm shutting the door it's cold come on right, we want channel eight no t v s @@ -83575,9 +83498,9 @@ er hold on mummy, mummy, mummy here are -alright, listen, come on, right let's have all these toys tidied up, before the cartoons start come on, alright, you're alright, that's not what we do with toy boxes is it? +alright, listen, come on, right let's have all these toys tidied up, before the cartoons start come on, alright, you're alright, that's not what we do with toy boxes is it? that's how accidents happen -no, this is what we're going to do, we're going to tidy them all up now quietly +no, this is what we're going to do, we're going to tidy them all up now quietly don't throw them at the windows. careful, that's it, right jump straight in the car then, cos it's open and it'll be warm i get the @@ -83593,7 +83516,7 @@ in the morning you got hiccoughs? e i e i we right are we in charlotte? -no can you put your belt on? +no can you put your belt on? no do you want me to do it? mm @@ -83601,7 +83524,7 @@ yeah, okay do it there we go, that's you done, and you young man, cor all strapped in? oh you know -yeah well i'll put my seat belt on in a minute right +yeah well i'll put my seat belt on in a minute right off we go off we go, can you hold that letter? why? @@ -83628,7 +83551,7 @@ take it out how can someone pull it mummy? yeah , oh it was probably an accident how can it be pulled out it was up there for ages -never mind, don't worry about it +never mind, don't worry about it right what do you think you're gonna do at play school today then, does anybody know? not me me @@ -83642,7 +83565,7 @@ well you're gonna have plenty to do then aren't you? yes okay, i'll just jump out and post this letter sticklebricks and erm some engine bricks, and also some -oh that's handy, thank you +oh that's handy, thank you why didn't you post it in the letter box? well because the postman had come to empty the letter box, right, so there was no point in mummy putting her letter in cos he'd of just taken it out again where you put it? @@ -83655,7 +83578,7 @@ yeah then the post office sorts them out yeah and gives them to different postmen to take to different houses -yeah yeah +yeah yeah and that's how we all get our letters. you know mummy gets letters in the morning, mummy and daddy yeah @@ -83664,23 +83587,23 @@ well it, now the postman takes it to where it's got to be sorted and they will p yeah, but what about your money they might send it back to you i didn't send any money, you never send money through the post charlotte why? -cos somebody might take it wasn't money i sent anyway, just an order form +cos somebody might take it wasn't money i sent anyway, just an order form why? there's pauline and aaron, shall we go and see them? yeah, stop right where they are -no i can't just stop right in the middle of the road, i have to park darling, there we go, ooh right next to this car, there's ian over there right right one, two out you come +no i can't just stop right in the middle of the road, i have to park darling, there we go, ooh right next to this car, there's ian over there right right one, two out you come aaron charlotte don't just run off and get on the path aaron i'm here morning yeah alright? yeah, you -yeah she always is, it's this one that's not you must be joking charlotte out the way, don't be so impatient, oh god, thanks very much right, hang your coat up, hang your coat up, i'll hang your coat up give us your coat +yeah she always is, it's this one that's not you must be joking charlotte out the way, don't be so impatient, oh god, thanks very much right, hang your coat up, hang your coat up, i'll hang your coat up give us your coat right come on she took him in oh right, i wondered where he was hiya paul alright? -thanks alright, yeah you, yeah what? +thanks alright, yeah you, yeah what? come on, ah? anthony smile, oh it's a good job we unzipped it then have you got a kiss for me then @@ -83703,7 +83626,7 @@ what? all these pots, weren't it? oh some of the kids come up and said oh that's not my one -hang on a minute that's not mine either, and all then that's not my pots i tell you what when they do something they do not forget the colour +hang on a minute that's not mine either, and all then that's not my pots i tell you what when they do something they do not forget the colour aren't they funny when they look, we didn't look at the yoghurt pots did we? no went no, no, it's not, it's not peach melba, right down to the last detail @@ -83723,7 +83646,7 @@ come on, come on, i'll see you later oh see you later, i'll see you later, oh you want a kiss? see you later -now you stop crying oh +now you stop crying oh mum, mum, i wanna go i'll be back in a little while i miss you, i miss you @@ -83748,13 +83671,13 @@ yeah, but i couldn't of gone anyway, cos i had too many kids what time's that on till? erm i don't know i haven't been to them for ages now yeah -because er i can't really do much with my two anyway +because er i can't really do much with my two anyway yeah so did you get your wardrobes done? measured up got any quotes? last one today twelve, i've got the last one coming today have you? -i've got erm, we've had one through from erm erm came round on wednesday morning because we had wednesday morning, one should be coming via the post today, we phoned up yesterday +i've got erm, we've had one through from erm erm came round on wednesday morning because we had wednesday morning, one should be coming via the post today, we phoned up yesterday oh yeah, yeah and he's sending it first post, it should be through today, if not tomorrow morning, erm oh dear @@ -83774,7 +83697,7 @@ and gary's rather suspicious at that price, we, we had a builder that came round yes and that was with the doors from texas and he thought oh no you know yeah -we'd rather get it done properly, erm, but erm, this that came yesterday morning, he reckons it, that he can do the whole of the bedroom, look there's been an accident, i've got to tell you +we'd rather get it done properly, erm, but erm, this that came yesterday morning, he reckons it, that he can do the whole of the bedroom, look there's been an accident, i've got to tell you oh good they've gone right over that bank, right over that bank, right over there, it's bounced over it's speeding i expect @@ -83802,9 +83725,9 @@ yeah make sure it is a genuine it, the, the, he's come from the company and he's not doing it privately or something you see the thing is, i said, gary said to me he said did you ask them about the over bed erm units and that and i said yeah, i said he wanted to, he, he said he could do the over bed unit for eighteen hundred plus the wardrobes for three eighty eight yeah -well this people i mean with, with, that i mean that really is more or less the same amount as the other companies have said for er more or less the whole lot, so why the wardrobes are so cheap and yet the, the bed surrounding is so expensive, we don't know +well this people i mean with, with, that i mean that really is more or less the same amount as the other companies have said for er more or less the whole lot, so why the wardrobes are so cheap and yet the, the bed surrounding is so expensive, we don't know mm -whereas people they reckon that they can do it, they can do the whole lot for eighteen hundred +whereas people they reckon that they can do it, they can do the whole lot for eighteen hundred yeah , oh strange isn't it? yeah , it's er, it's er cheap for the wardrobes, but expensive for the over bed unit, i mean gary said well at that price he said the over bed unit we might as well get out of a catalogue. well, yeah, talking of catalogues actually you might know, my two want a beanbag right? @@ -83843,7 +83766,7 @@ so yeah i've got the address at home if you want it right -now, put a bit of lipstick on +now, put a bit of lipstick on do you wanna grab my catalogue do you when we get back to my place? why is there anything in there? well you said you wanted to have a look at the er quilt covers? @@ -83866,12 +83789,12 @@ five or ten minutes late, it's cheaper for me to put ten p in than to pay twelve yeah actually it's twenty pound yeah -right, i'll just nip over and get it, cos i haven't locked up yet maybe i won't i haven't got ten p, i've only got two pennies, just have to make sure back +right, i'll just nip over and get it, cos i haven't locked up yet maybe i won't i haven't got ten p, i've only got two pennies, just have to make sure back you want ten p? well just in case we're not -as you came down town for my sake really +as you came down town for my sake really alright then, i'll accept, i won't be a minute -yeah +yeah she's going to look after them for a little while oh yeah so @@ -83885,7 +83808,7 @@ oh ain't they? i thought they might of got on and done that well that's what i thought because erm ann's leaving in erm the end of this month mm -it's only next week still gonna apply though, ha +it's only next week still gonna apply though, ha oh yeah, doesn't hurt does it, you've got nothing to lose yeah but i shall go for it but if any other jobs come up at the hospital i'll apply for them yeah, do you wanna go in here? @@ -83895,7 +83818,7 @@ yeah no, i've been waiting for them to get them cards in i ordered a couple of those cards with the lights at the top for kieran to take home oh yeah, it's been since i've bleeding asked for them they haven't been in, that was two weeks ago -yeah, i know we went in there last week, cos they had these cards, they got those things with six bugs on them, they're really ugly looking things, aaron wanted them, he hasn't half been playing some tricks on gary take them down in front of gary and that gary's aagh +yeah, i know we went in there last week, cos they had these cards, they got those things with six bugs on them, they're really ugly looking things, aaron wanted them, he hasn't half been playing some tricks on gary take them down in front of gary and that gary's aagh pretends he's got, you know he's frightened yeah, yeah and he thinks it's hilarious @@ -83925,7 +83848,7 @@ yeah cos, cos you know for a fact it's not it's not animal tested yeah -neither is that other book that i run that whatever +neither is that other book that i run that whatever yeah pronounceable, i've never got the name right but i couldn't believe it though and they, this woman went under cover into this place and the state of these animals @@ -83951,14 +83874,14 @@ my one's falling to pieces, always come in handy it's brilliant, right what else do i want polish ah i tablecloth please -no i won't go round there i can't be bothered that's all pretty empty that lot innit? +no i won't go round there i can't be bothered that's all pretty empty that lot innit? yeah i know it's boring trev but what do you want me to do, done some work actually, you ain't gonna do some work er they're with the what? he knows yeah -oh they're different to the ones he's got, he's got those ones, i'll get him those ones that's nice -mm, yeah, ideal for putting in a picture for christmas well i think nothing for me today +oh they're different to the ones he's got, he's got those ones, i'll get him those ones that's nice +mm, yeah, ideal for putting in a picture for christmas well i think nothing for me today one pound please what's that? oh yeah @@ -83969,7 +83892,7 @@ i've got some gardening gloves at home, i haven't had the chance to use them yet yeah, i went out yesterday morning and cleared up the dogs mess i can't do mine with little one, i got like i'll yeah -probably do mine tomorrow morning hello janet +probably do mine tomorrow morning hello janet hiya alright? yes so i'll probably do it @@ -83986,13 +83909,13 @@ erm and i've sent off for some loose fitting ones yeah that were eight ninety nine a pair and five ninety nine for a matching top yeah -erm, that's about it really in here? +erm, that's about it really in here? oh yeah they haven't got many cards in here lately you know no i wanted one for er saying granddad one from the kids and i couldn't get a decent one yeah -when i came in the other day, i might have a look now actually get some chewitts for the kids go on looking something for myself +when i came in the other day, i might have a look now actually get some chewitts for the kids go on looking something for myself actually i can't see what i want why don't you get a no @@ -84035,7 +83958,7 @@ oh that's what i was going to look at the brushes what? hair brushes, i want, i want one of these something that's not too hard -i've got a, er comb, i've got one of those that i use for anthony at the moment and why brush? +i've got a, er comb, i've got one of those that i use for anthony at the moment and why brush? why not a comb? cos his hair's not thick enough for a comb yeah true @@ -84043,15 +83966,15 @@ see what i want anthony's hair is quite thick cos really, something like that, but only a half one you want a small one don't you? -yeah that's one thing i've got, i've got my denman i've got that one +yeah that's one thing i've got, i've got my denman i've got that one what about that grey one up the end there or is that too big? -yeah, you see i've got, again it's erm, complete handle on that one one of them one's, i want a half one like this with just this +yeah, you see i've got, again it's erm, complete handle on that one one of them one's, i want a half one like this with just this with soft bristles on yeah -yeah too big ain't they? +yeah too big ain't they? yeah or they're the right size but they've got the hard bristles -yes that's right but i like, i ask the +yes that's right but i like, i ask the brushes i tell you what have you where was it i saw it now? @@ -84067,19 +83990,19 @@ nothing they really need that's right they've probably got a few over here erm i'll probably get erm another video -thanks lovely thank you me hands are alright now, they've warmed up -yeah i'll go over this way, let's have a look in chemist for that comb +thanks lovely thank you me hands are alright now, they've warmed up +yeah i'll go over this way, let's have a look in chemist for that comb yeah they have a lot more choice don't they? yeah , brush i should say, can pop up, oh midland we can do on the way back, we can go first though yeah okey dokey, i keep looking at that clock there but it's wrong innit? -i know ha oh dixon's i've got to pop into dixon's, they've got a p c advertised +i know ha oh dixon's i've got to pop into dixon's, they've got a p c advertised yeah in the computers, on the erm telly mm gary wants me to find out a bit more about it cos he wants a new one, another, well he wants a new one, cos we done a deal, get my bed, if we get the bedroom done mm -he'll buy a p c, i said okay fair enough i don't care, i'll get my bedroom done +he'll buy a p c, i said okay fair enough i don't care, i'll get my bedroom done what computer he's got? he's got an amstrad, but it's not a coloured one oh right @@ -84096,13 +84019,13 @@ i was talking to a lady about them yeah but i've got to discuss it with tony first erm -you see that's what you want, but they're too hard mm, even they're quite prickly +you see that's what you want, but they're too hard mm, even they're quite prickly yeah they're not too bad yeah trouble is though as you say he's not got a lot of hair really has he? no -it's straight forward onto his scalp i know what you look, i know what sort you're looking for though +it's straight forward onto his scalp i know what you look, i know what sort you're looking for though yeah and it's what i'm looking for let's have a look @@ -84115,24 +84038,24 @@ that's pretty it is isn't it? mind you it might be a bit uncomfortable on the head yeah -or you can use it as a tie round mhm, what about having, that's a bit harder +or you can use it as a tie round mhm, what about having, that's a bit harder yes, same as the denman oh, get it out it's not too bad is it? -no probably about the softest +no probably about the softest mm no i think that's harder than that yes -no that's there you are, now you can't get softer than that +no that's there you are, now you can't get softer than that it's nifty innit? -look at this it might be three ninety nine, but i'll get it +look at this it might be three ninety nine, but i'll get it oh we, cos me and gary we've got a brush each and he wants one, see i like that, but i think that, that is a bit big and it's dearer yeah -no kieran, don't pull any of them off you'd think it'd be cheaper if it was smaller wouldn't you? +no kieran, don't pull any of them off you'd think it'd be cheaper if it was smaller wouldn't you? yeah -yeah hold on just looking at something right, three little ducks +yeah hold on just looking at something right, three little ducks a load of different hair things in here ain't there? mm very expensive in there though isn't it? @@ -84142,7 +84065,7 @@ i'll go into boots and find something cheap well now cos places like superdrug and, and boots and that aren't er, i mean that's just basically a chemist that innit? that's right yeah so it should have everything, i still think that it's a bit expensive though -yeah +yeah what about that ferguson factory closing down then? yeah when they gave out i thought that was really sad @@ -84159,7 +84082,7 @@ and now they just don't know what to do, there's no jobs, there's no nothing no and they said that some of them were thinking of moving, but and they also reckon that the gosport and portsmouth are the worst off than anywhere else in this country -yeah it's very sad, but, what can you do? +yeah it's very sad, but, what can you do? that's why alex has had to go back to london yeah, i know she was telling me, there she is a highly qualified secretary @@ -84168,13 +84091,13 @@ and used to bloody did you know she's a qualified magician as well? no -no, she only told me that the other day yeah she is +no, she only told me that the other day yeah she is yeah so that's two jobs she's qualified for and she can't get jobs in either ridiculous, erm twenty bensons please one ninety four then please i think i'm gonna get a cadbury's twirl while i'm here -i will, i'll get all this change out of my pocket let's get rid of this two, four, five, right, there's twenty five there for one of those, thanks yeah she's a qualified magician as well +i will, i'll get all this change out of my pocket let's get rid of this two, four, five, right, there's twenty five there for one of those, thanks yeah she's a qualified magician as well yeah you know, she was saying there's a girl at work and she's a top qualified chef mm @@ -84216,12 +84139,12 @@ yeah i hate all this politic business any road, but i know let's face it, whoever gets in, someone's gonna lose out -yeah i was quite shocked at that er thing about the fox hunting i was pleased +yeah i was quite shocked at that er thing about the fox hunting i was pleased what about it? for my sister's sake oh what they didn't ban it? mm, yeah -i'll go in these doors, i wasn't surprised, i didn't think they would, but as this guy said afterwards he said whether you do it now or later he said, within the next five years it's gonna be banned so i think it still will be banned in the end +i'll go in these doors, i wasn't surprised, i didn't think they would, but as this guy said afterwards he said whether you do it now or later he said, within the next five years it's gonna be banned so i think it still will be banned in the end yeah i do at the moment, sympathize, that's a nice colour it is, innit? @@ -84242,7 +84165,7 @@ sweat shirt oh no they're not they've shoved them down there are they? yeah -nine to ten years, oh a bit big for charlotte oh there paul, they've got some white ones +nine to ten years, oh a bit big for charlotte oh there paul, they've got some white ones oh yeah, oh i don't like that material, i'd rather get them them, this material oh you're a fussy faggot i know @@ -84254,8 +84177,8 @@ er actually i quite like the lace up ones anyway yeah they're three ninety nine though aren't they? yeah -yeah well nothing's much changed really -mm oh have you seen those knickerbockers over there? +yeah well nothing's much changed really +mm oh have you seen those knickerbockers over there? eh? knickerbockers, for babies oh yeah @@ -84276,7 +84199,7 @@ mm that's the trouble well aaron's a six and they're seven so i'm safe to getting aaron a seven i'm safe to getting mine sevens yeah -yeah there's erm i think that's seven is it? +yeah there's erm i think that's seven is it? no it's an eight mind you when the warmer weather gets here they can wear them anyway oh yeah @@ -84299,9 +84222,9 @@ yeah, yeah so they won't, not, well they won't get so dirty, again with these yo what, if they ain't got the size you can't seven i think we've gone through all the sevens in the blacks ain't you? -it's only a five nine, they're nines there, have you got a watch on? +it's only a five nine, they're nines there, have you got a watch on? yeah -oh good ah hang on er, three pairs there, seven, six and an eight, right there's two blacks in sevens here, well i'll just have a pair of each, i've only got a fiver in me purse just wondering whether to get black or blue though? +oh good ah hang on er, three pairs there, seven, six and an eight, right there's two blacks in sevens here, well i'll just have a pair of each, i've only got a fiver in me purse just wondering whether to get black or blue though? mm the mauve's quite nice aren't they? what do you reckon? @@ -84313,18 +84236,18 @@ haven't we got any then? hang on they're alright on the front, want another seven don't you for aaron? yeah cos the black's likely to go grey, whereas the blues don't look so bad no -when they go oh they've got socks there to go with them +when they go oh they've got socks there to go with them mm, yeah i'm not too worried about her socks though but i say i'm gonna have plenty of marks and sparks' vouchers yeah seven? i've got a seven here oh and the white are nice, but they just get dirty too quick -yeah i don't know whether to get aaron one or not, he's got enough at home, he's got enough from last year +yeah i don't know whether to get aaron one or not, he's got enough at home, he's got enough from last year what have my two got? i believe i can always pop in town tomorrow i was wondering actually i think i might wait until that dress comes through, i'll try -we can always ask to put them away for a week yeah that's what i might do +we can always ask to put them away for a week yeah that's what i might do why? well then, if, we can put them away for a week actually, actually wanted new trainers and they've got them there @@ -84334,7 +84257,7 @@ six, they're nice, boy's nine yeah no i'm gonna leave it cos i can't make me mind up -i think i'll just walk away and leave it where else did you wanna go? +i think i'll just walk away and leave it where else did you wanna go? erm i've got to go into erm what's the time then? ten @@ -84349,10 +84272,10 @@ yeah and it, oh dixon's yeah dixon's it's over there innit? -going that way and er so you've already booked your holiday time up the hospital then or not? +going that way and er so you've already booked your holiday time up the hospital then or not? not done it yet not done it yet -no i'm not bothered about going on holiday, i suppose i'm all worked up about getting bedroom sorted, ha +no i'm not bothered about going on holiday, i suppose i'm all worked up about getting bedroom sorted, ha mm, i said to tony if we can't afford to go i said don't worry about it, we might just go back down to where we went last year for a week because, it's like i was saying to joanne this morning, that this year they won't, they're not gonna worry whether they don't go on holiday but next year when charlotte's at school and got all her school mates saying oh where did you go and yeah you know what it's like. @@ -84366,7 +84289,7 @@ it's probably either the five, oh dear, i don't know actually, we actually do se yes i know because we're only a small branch, we only carry like one or two maybe mm -at the most, erm is it i b m or +at the most, erm is it i b m or no it's an amstrad an amstrad, is it five o or five two eight six? i can't remember, that's what i've come in to find out @@ -84374,12 +84297,12 @@ it could be the five two eight there's a five two eighty sixty two which is, abo yeah erm which we do, which we haven't got in stock at the moment, but we can always get hold of right, well i think the best thing to do is to leave it until i see the advert again -it's so just enquiring on the catalogue interest, we've only got that one +it's so just enquiring on the catalogue interest, we've only got that one leaflets, brochure? yeah, yeah, is it the games pack one? no it wouldn't be the games pack, it'd be after that one -yeah, so erm microsoft works game pack erm see do that, so many in the range now these are like our, our highlighted deal ones you see -mm i think i'm better off leaving it i think +yeah, so erm microsoft works game pack erm see do that, so many in the range now these are like our, our highlighted deal ones you see +mm i think i'm better off leaving it i think erm see there's five five eight six which is this one, it's forty hard drive the basingstoke's a larger branch aren't they? @@ -84398,7 +84321,7 @@ no so okay then unfortunately, but, i, i would give you one of these, but i can't even give you one of these -but you haven't got one +but you haven't got one no, they only send us about three from the i believe they should be out in the like the national press and things like that yeah @@ -84426,7 +84349,7 @@ okay then alright alright? thanks thanks a lot, sorry about that -that's okay never mind, i knew it was gonna be a waste of time +that's okay never mind, i knew it was gonna be a waste of time you just thought you'd ask still perhaps we will get to basingstoke this week didn't last didn't you go last week? @@ -84460,14 +84383,14 @@ that's right so i don't do it now till yeah he comes home, then it's up to him. -yeah children's coming about eleven again +yeah children's coming about eleven again yeah, well she comes down about twenty to now and has a natter yeah erm, have a talk and a laugh and she just stops for a coffee after yeah or a talk, well she doesn't have to rush home cos there's no one there like yes, that's right -you know i'm gonna take the kids to see snow white at the weekend +you know i'm gonna take the kids to see snow white at the weekend yeah up basingstoke cinema with me mum what tomorrow? @@ -84482,8 +84405,8 @@ chance of overtime so i said well if you can get it, get it and i'll yeah drop aaron off in the morning yeah, no it wouldn't be tomorrow because i think my mum's working so -yeah it doesn't say open that, and i pull the others -no i know anything else you need to do? +yeah it doesn't say open that, and i pull the others +no i know anything else you need to do? what's the time? ten, ten past time you wanna browse round peacock's @@ -84494,7 +84417,7 @@ woolworth's, let's go and have a look in woolworth's yeah let's have a look in woolworth's, i haven't been in there for ages, see what easter eggs they've got yeah -erm, oh cut through over there i suppose i was thinking the other day when i worked out that money for saturday is it, it came to something like two pound eighty when you had jordan +erm, oh cut through over there i suppose i was thinking the other day when i worked out that money for saturday is it, it came to something like two pound eighty when you had jordan yeah and like six pound something when i, and six pound forty when i had eran, so i thought if we call it six pounds for a saturday, when you have jordan i'll give you three pound right @@ -84502,7 +84425,7 @@ is that alright? yep cos i thought if we round it off both ways yeah -you know that, a little bit cheaper on your end and a bit more i give you oh what's this stand outside the shop and talk day, carry on over there, so are you happy with that? +you know that, a little bit cheaper on your end and a bit more i give you oh what's this stand outside the shop and talk day, carry on over there, so are you happy with that? yeah i don't want you not to be happy with it yeah @@ -84522,7 +84445,7 @@ and six pound fifty then week cos i won't, you won't have them on monday but if yeah so all the time i've got him yeah -now, i don't know if they've got them ones in here, what they got in here i wonder if my husband will remember to get me one this year? +now, i don't know if they've got them ones in here, what they got in here i wonder if my husband will remember to get me one this year? that'd be a first i can tell you, oh that's a good one innit? mm, paying for the wrapping though oh it's only ninety nine p that one though innit? @@ -84531,7 +84454,7 @@ yeah oh yeah ninety nine p, no, it's a chocolate easter egg that's all you get yeah -easter egg then just, like you say mainly the packing i suppose, oh they've got some more over here, ah these are my kind, oh they're not bad are they? +easter egg then just, like you say mainly the packing i suppose, oh they've got some more over here, ah these are my kind, oh they're not bad are they? little ones no eighty nine p @@ -84633,23 +84556,23 @@ got a lot of cards and it takes me a long time to do it cut my bread up you want it cut in half? what cut in half so you can make a sandwich? -yeah there you go, that's good innit? +yeah there you go, that's good innit? mum look i've put tomato sauce over well done mum there i am one luncheon meat sandwich, oh that's gonna be nice no -no yeah there that's gonna stick, it, there that's gonna just about do it, there, well that's going to stick it like that, so that'll stay sticky +no yeah there that's gonna stick, it, there that's gonna just about do it, there, well that's going to stick it like that, so that'll stay sticky mum i don't want a bear on, mummy bear on tomorrow no it's not on now till next week oh bear on next week, he on a big, big -big and he's a nice +big and he's a nice row, row, row a boat gently down the stream, merrily, merrily, just uh, uh, uh when my night got him are you singing mate? mum, i'm making such a big sandwich can you cut it up? it's alright as long as you eat it -bye, bye i can't do it, done it now, and a little bit and there +bye, bye i can't do it, done it now, and a little bit and there ah are you gonna eat that? yes he will in a minute when he's finished making it, won't you anthony? have you finished making it yet have you? @@ -84667,7 +84590,7 @@ next you wanna go and see peter pan? and, and er cinderella what about cinderella? we want to go and see cinderella -cinderella, oh i don't know when that one's coming down if it comes down to the pictures we'll go and watch it, i'll promise you that, right, who's nicked my cup? +cinderella, oh i don't know when that one's coming down if it comes down to the pictures we'll go and watch it, i'll promise you that, right, who's nicked my cup? er mum yeah, hold on let me just go in the other room and see if my cup's in there i made in it @@ -84689,7 +84612,7 @@ oh i've got to find a space to get to a newspaper, to do the bingo numbers why you is it, why you eating a piece of luncheon meat? well, just something to nibble on that's savoury and not sweet like popcorn -yeah, but that's sweet rather that one was sweet yeah, cos you can get popcorn +yeah, but that's sweet rather that one was sweet yeah, cos you can get popcorn sweet too yeah, but you can also get it with salt mm @@ -84702,16 +84625,16 @@ yeah, but you, you try the popcorn yeah darling but that one wasn't with erm pepper no that wasn't with salt, that was just with erm -row, row, row the boat, gently down the stream, merrily merrily life +row, row, row the boat, gently down the stream, merrily merrily life what? oh, hang on a minute darling, i've got to do this hello, hello -mum ma erm, dinner, dinner our, dinner, i've got a +mum ma erm, dinner, dinner our, dinner, i've got a mum yeah i want a bit of sauce -okay, yeah, but don't go too mad right, let's get all these bingo cards done, see if we've won this time, i doubt it very much, never won anything in our lives, i can't see us starting now -bye, bye, me see you later hello, hello +okay, yeah, but don't go too mad right, let's get all these bingo cards done, see if we've won this time, i doubt it very much, never won anything in our lives, i can't see us starting now +bye, bye, me see you later hello, hello are you trying to sing anthony mark? that's enough mum, i mum ma @@ -84723,20 +84646,20 @@ good girl, at least you've eaten it all up mummy yeah mum ma -mm alright? +mm alright? chew it next time i know, gonna see if other nan's in tonight aren't we? who nanny ? yeah, if we've got time, right, see if mummy can, oh i know what i want before i do that it's alright, i just wanna get my head band, mummy's hair's getting long at the front, i must get sara to cut it not mine -no yours is okay ain't got no playschool next week, have we? +no yours is okay ain't got no playschool next week, have we? ah? half term er mummy don't want that i've had enough what's today's date? let's see, it can't be then, that's dad's birthday, so it must be the twenty third today, look in my little book -mum ma are you doing in your little book er pardon me +mum ma are you doing in your little book er pardon me right twenty second, twenty two, who's what darling? who did blowed off? @@ -84751,12 +84674,12 @@ yeah alright if you say, before i start me bingo but mummy careful, careful -merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream +merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream bring your chair over then and we'll wash your hands, hang on let mummy do it, don't drag it, good boy, let's run the tap then you can get back to sleep me up get the soap then me, me -don't take too long then cos that water's pretty cold quick then have you eaten that all up charlotte? +don't take too long then cos that water's pretty cold quick then have you eaten that all up charlotte? i don't want any more bread or my luncheon meat what you putting more sauce on for then? oh but this isn't my bit of cheese in @@ -84773,7 +84696,7 @@ he's got a lot of nasty in there? it's got a lot of nasties in it that's why i'm sitting out here looking after you having some dinner yeah, having some dinner, well we didn't have any did we, cos mummy took you to the pictures with nanny -row, row, row the boat gently down the stream, merrily, merrily life merrily, merrily life is but mummy +row, row, row the boat gently down the stream, merrily, merrily life merrily, merrily life is but mummy yeah mm don't knock the table @@ -84784,7 +84707,7 @@ mm me undone meat, meat well you'll have to get it out the fridge, alright let charlotte get it cos she's easier to get it than you ant the meat -yeah, get the plate of meat charlotte good girl, well done +yeah, get the plate of meat charlotte good girl, well done mummy erm, i want a bit that's not got too much fat on it don't you? that's a nice bit @@ -84795,7 +84718,7 @@ yeah, give me the knife and i'll cut it off no, i want, me a bit tired yeah i know, but don't start going off to sleep now, not if you want to see your other nanny nanny -you want to go and see nanny don't you? +you want to go and see nanny don't you? mum look oh actually come to think of it mum look, mum look @@ -84820,7 +84743,7 @@ what you doing? taking the fatty bits off darling, mummy don't like the fatty bits either stay at granddad's for a little while, while daddy watches that film and then go and see other nanny for a little while, cos you've got no playschool tomorrow so you haven't got to get up early have you? mum could you teach me how to play that? -not now, no, we're having dinner and i'm doing this bingo for a minute look bring your +not now, no, we're having dinner and i'm doing this bingo for a minute look bring your where is it? get your pencil i don't know where they are, they maybe in the front room @@ -84834,7 +84757,7 @@ well come out and get it then, got the pencils haven't you? yeah mm mum ma, i want a bit of that one there -take that then don't spill it +take that then don't spill it don't you want to drink it? me undone my, get, get my beat in, meat in ah @@ -84844,20 +84767,20 @@ mm mm right push the door up, push the door up if you've got pencils, good girl i er, i bring -right bring the tin round here and i'll find you a pencil right, now bring your snow white thing round, that's the best one to use, right +right bring the tin round here and i'll find you a pencil right, now bring your snow white thing round, that's the best one to use, right what about anthony? no anthony's still eating darling, right, now that word there says doc, d o c which is the name of one of the dwarfs, okay, so in all them letters there is the name doc, so you've got to look for those three letters d o c alright, so you go along, no let me show you how to do it then. -you go along each line and you find a d there but there's no os next to it is there? +you go along each line and you find a d there but there's no os next to it is there? so you go along to the next d and there's no os there, so you come down, d, no os, so you keep going along the lines and every time you get to a d you stop d o c -that's it, d o c and then all you do is you draw a line around it oh dear, no we want another pencil, this one ain't gonna work on here is it? +that's it, d o c and then all you do is you draw a line around it oh dear, no we want another pencil, this one ain't gonna work on here is it? my, see if we can find a pen or something, that one might work, lean on the table cos it'll be easier not too bad yeah, right, then you'll scrub that one out like that, cos you've done that one, alright, then you pick another word and you look for it, right look for grumpy g r u m p y and you start by going across the top, alright? you get a nice space to sit down at the table move my plate and i'll sit here yeah, well what about saying please -please what did you say? +please what did you say? now do it quietly that big red one? well, no, er grumpy @@ -84876,13 +84799,13 @@ you haven't finished eating yet no, me didn't eating now what about your cheese? eaten it -yeah finish your cheese while mummy's finishing this card and then erm +yeah finish your cheese while mummy's finishing this card and then erm is that, does that a c, a proper c ah well you do it charlotte you've got to match the letters up, not much good if i've got to stop to keep helping you is it? the idea is so you can do that while mummy does this no, no, hungry thirty five , twenty one, fifty four, sixty nine, twenty, oh, there, five is not there -ah, look i've got it i saw this, one of those right, mum i finded erm one of those, but i just can't see any cs or that number +ah, look i've got it i saw this, one of those right, mum i finded erm one of those, but i just can't see any cs or that number well charlotte it's not easy, it's gonna take you a long time, but then so mum, mummy i can find c @@ -84930,7 +84853,7 @@ alright, good girl where is this picture then? here it is snow white and the seven woofs dwarfs, not woofs -no ah it's going in the butter +no ah it's going in the butter no it's not ah not if you don't move it, it won't go in the butter @@ -84943,7 +84866,7 @@ put it down where i left it, put it down, let go anthony i wanna put it in the butter it's not in the butter, look, let go and you'll see it's not in the butter, it is over the butter which is alright, now don't fight who had the brown hat? -but that and those had the brown set that, that and that, right so it's on +but that and those had the brown set that, that and that, right so it's on that one i'll do, he my are where's my i do want it anth @@ -84951,7 +84874,7 @@ grumpy, grumpy yeah grumpy over there? mummy me go in it -there's grumpy grumpy, pink colour on +there's grumpy grumpy, pink colour on there's brown work in grumpy there's thirty there this do, this won't work on grumpy, grumpy do @@ -84976,7 +84899,7 @@ mm how many more times are you gonna sneeze? he might of been taking after sneezy aren't you? oh mum me do it, me are gonna do that and that in a minute -right that one here he is +right that one here he is anthony sit still you're knocking mummy's arm and like that, which way, which way i don't, ma, ma @@ -84987,7 +84910,7 @@ no that's grumpy ha, i don't really know darling cos they all look so much alike don't they? oh well shall i just colour in the same hats then? yeah, i think that's probably the best idea -i think i there +i think i there mummy doing now i've got all of the hats on mum doing @@ -85003,7 +84926,7 @@ no i think i'll do a purple hat erm, it, it go in here where is, here we are where's this gonna go? -i know where that one is oh i need a colouring bit of that thing, colouring harder there +i know where that one is oh i need a colouring bit of that thing, colouring harder there i don't know why doc has green hat, where's the, where's the green? grumpy, sneeze, grumpy @@ -85019,12 +84942,12 @@ yeah yeah short one mum -was that one what was that man, what does the green man do mum? +was that one what was that man, what does the green man do mum? what green man? that one, what, what does he -i don't know looking at it upside down darling, hang on, oh keep yours, let me look at anthy's the green one? +i don't know looking at it upside down darling, hang on, oh keep yours, let me look at anthy's the green one? yeah the green one with the green hat, that one, that one that you're touching with your hand -any, hang on anth oh the green one is for what i can see on the picture, i think the green one is sleepy +any, hang on anth oh the green one is for what i can see on the picture, i think the green one is sleepy no read it what's on there, does it say sleepy? no it doesn't, i think that's just what it was sleepy darling sleepy, now where's sleepy, oh here he is, here's sleepy @@ -85033,20 +84956,20 @@ here's sleepy now he's gonna have a green hat here he is the green hat i did that on there -right and now erm a +right and now erm a mummy yes love me doing all green you doing it all green are you? erm do you want a little bit more table er -do you wanna little bit more table, that's gonna be alright because you've erm, if i move them if you put on that, if i hold them on my lap and then they won't get, you won't want to ask me, do you want another one? +do you wanna little bit more table, that's gonna be alright because you've erm, if i move them if you put on that, if i hold them on my lap and then they won't get, you won't want to ask me, do you want another one? erm, no, me want, me wanna do his, erm me wanna do it all green. and when you want one tell me yeah i know what er -we've got erm, if we you put mine over there and then the sauce there like that +we've got erm, if we you put mine over there and then the sauce there like that and er and put and that up, any one if you turn yours round yeah @@ -85059,16 +84982,16 @@ just leave it there in front of him so that he can eat it if he wants it charlot put it on here, there i leave it right there and i when i've finished these bingo cards anyway i'll, i'll give the table a good tidy up so we'll have more room -and if i move that, that on to there, then i on there like that we can even put the red sauce there can't we, and see what +and if i move that, that on to there, then i on there like that we can even put the red sauce there can't we, and see what just don't knock ant's plate on the floor -no see anth look, if i put the butter up there +no see anth look, if i put the butter up there put that charlotte why you moving everything? it was all fine the way it was i know, but where could we put the pencils on the table? the pencils were alright -yeah but i did still did see i do i wanna do a blue -i hope granddad don't collect no more of these bingo cards i'll never get through doing them all each week for him, i don't know why we do them eh charlie he never wins? +yeah but i did still did see i do i wanna do a blue +i hope granddad don't collect no more of these bingo cards i'll never get through doing them all each week for him, i don't know why we do them eh charlie he never wins? he hasn't got lots , got a big one er, erm a big on there @@ -85095,11 +85018,11 @@ i'm colouring mine in nice and there's little nose me i going on the pot oh they have the same noses, orange noses, mum have we got orange in here? i don't know it's your tin of pencils, have a look -no we haven't they'll have to have yellow noses then +no we haven't they'll have to have yellow noses then oh dear, you have got the sneezes haven't you? yeah like man like sneezy, yeah -yeah, like sneezy i can't see any +yeah, like sneezy i can't see any thirty five there i think we're gonna have grey noses so did you enjoy that film at the pictures then? @@ -85111,13 +85034,13 @@ no why, what have you got left to eat? i got a little bit of dinner, dinner there now right i'll put some more on in a moment, hold on let me do this little bit -not, it's big, big nose now +not, it's big, big nose now erm both look tired what? i said you both look tired, that's sat in front of that cinema screen all that time we look tired? -yeah, does make you a bit tired when you're watching a big screen like that, it makes your eyes ache after a while, cos you're not used to it, but still you can have a nice lay in tomorrow can't you, cos you've got no playschool tomorrow +yeah, does make you a bit tired when you're watching a big screen like that, it makes your eyes ache after a while, cos you're not used to it, but still you can have a nice lay in tomorrow can't you, cos you've got no playschool tomorrow mum, ma so we're all gonna have a nice lay in aren't we? mum, mum, ma @@ -85134,7 +85057,7 @@ it still, it, it hurting i done that my eyes too mum mum i wanna go -oh when daddy's finished we can go you went to see your film now you've got to let daddy watch his. +oh when daddy's finished we can go you went to see your film now you've got to let daddy watch his. ha, i'm tired mm that's alright though because it doesn't, i'm not worried tonight because you can lay in tomorrow cos as i say there's no playschool or gymnastics is there? @@ -85155,7 +85078,7 @@ jolly good, i think mummy's nearly finished her bingo too mummy, i wanna dinner on, dinner i'm finishing i don't know why i bother though cos you never flipping win anything -oh yeah oh yeah and me +oh yeah oh yeah and me you've got too many green ones haven't you? if your mother wins anything it'll be a bloody miracle what about it like this, see, i've done all those hats, i've done the, i've gone a great hat i have @@ -85213,9 +85136,9 @@ you going to get a different colour pencil and do a different colour little bird no, erm i wonder if any birds have eaten any of that erm food yet that's outside in garden at home? maybe not -no, we'll have to have a look tomorrow they'd better hurry up and eat though hadn't they? +no, we'll have to have a look tomorrow they'd better hurry up and eat though hadn't they? well now what we're, we're we looking for here? -for erm g, a he only started to write grumpy, mum look what i've started to write, grumpy +for erm g, a he only started to write grumpy, mum look what i've started to write, grumpy mum ma ah buy these there's some buttons here do you want some? @@ -85235,15 +85158,15 @@ do you want me to read them? yeah alright then i can read my own -alright here we go then, here's anthony's see saw marjory door, johnny shall have a new master, he shall have but a penny a day, because he can't work any faster and charlotte is, let's have a look then hey diddle diddle the cat and the fiddle -i, i know that one hey diddle diddle the cat and the fiddle the cow jumped over the moon, the little dog laughed to see such fun and the dish ran away with the spoon +alright here we go then, here's anthony's see saw marjory door, johnny shall have a new master, he shall have but a penny a day, because he can't work any faster and charlotte is, let's have a look then hey diddle diddle the cat and the fiddle +i, i know that one hey diddle diddle the cat and the fiddle the cow jumped over the moon, the little dog laughed to see such fun and the dish ran away with the spoon well done darling mm ah i know that one you really are getting clever aren't you? i, i've always knowed that ah, well yes i know you've always known it mum ma -hold on, let me put some of this away have you two finished with your plates? +hold on, let me put some of this away have you two finished with your plates? yeah yeah, do you think you've had enough now? so if we move some of these off the table @@ -85279,7 +85202,7 @@ cos it'll look stupid we'll do erm another perhaps another of drawing and that and then we've got to erm get pyjamas on why? -well, because then we've got to sort out all our stuff to take home well +well, because then we've got to sort out all our stuff to take home well what about like i say there's no rush cos we haven't got to go, you haven't got school tomorrow hiya @@ -85309,12 +85232,12 @@ and the plate ran away with the spoon no, the dish ran away with the spoon, the spoon goes with the dish darling but look, look, it's a shape of a plate i know, but it's a dish that goes away with the spoon love -hey diddle diddle the cat and the fiddle, the cow jumped over the moon, the little dog laughed to see such fun and the dish ran away with the spoon another packet of buttons +hey diddle diddle the cat and the fiddle, the cow jumped over the moon, the little dog laughed to see such fun and the dish ran away with the spoon another packet of buttons me eat them? no show me charlotte there look -wait a minute me only +wait a minute me only hey diddle diddle, the cat i'll be with you in a minute, let me just finish making the tea and the fiddle @@ -85326,7 +85249,7 @@ mum ma yes wait a minute, he and not got a ticket on well that's alright -hang on a minute this one hasn't got the ticket on +hang on a minute this one hasn't got the ticket on yeah well don't get muddled up whose is who why? i don't want you two fighting over them that's why, you know what you two are like @@ -85338,7 +85261,7 @@ l, o p, p, e, e, h, h, r, l not e, r, h, h, l mummy -o, t, t, e marjory door, the little bit more, in the +o, t, t, e marjory door, the little bit more, in the and down came the spider and sat down behind her and frightened miss muffet away,there's a spider on about a spider we're going @@ -85352,12 +85275,12 @@ you've got coke, that's your treat each week, cos you don't have it at home, you i've not got in there yeah they're probably for little robert darling, but he's not here is he? mm -he didn't come up anthy out here +he didn't come up anthy out here on the sun, with the there aren't any nasty in there no but there will be in a minute er, erm, me up -well they're all trying to watch the film sit down +well they're all trying to watch the film sit down mum he was here but we were too late i know to see him @@ -85455,7 +85378,7 @@ go on then i wanna help me do it where? there? -okay love, yeah down there around the d at the bottom and then back up to the d at the top +okay love, yeah down there around the d at the bottom and then back up to the d at the top why are you eating some, some cheesecake? i think they saved it for me darling there you go, i've crossed it off, look @@ -85574,7 +85497,7 @@ mm, i wanna do it, there? yeah so round there no, see, you don't watch do you? -round right now cross happy off +round right now cross happy off there no that doesn't say happy does it? that say happy? @@ -85626,7 +85549,7 @@ down to there? start from there? start from the p not the n the p there? -no, where's my finger, there, look you don't watch do you, you, you're so worried about other things, right cross prince off +no, where's my finger, there, look you don't watch do you, you, you're so worried about other things, right cross prince off mum ma prince mind you don't fall love @@ -85679,7 +85602,7 @@ right draw a line along, go round the end there? yeah, but you're not pointing the pen down, hold the pen up so that it makes the line right then -oh it's hopeless trying to help you innit, you're so independent you won't have no one help you and the pen's not coming out, see you're not doing it right i don't mind helping you, but you've got to let me show you, now go all the way along, round the q, come round here, come round here, round here, back along, stop. +oh it's hopeless trying to help you innit, you're so independent you won't have no one help you and the pen's not coming out, see you're not doing it right i don't mind helping you, but you've got to let me show you, now go all the way along, round the q, come round here, come round here, round here, back along, stop. right cross queen off that one? yeah @@ -85690,9 +85613,9 @@ yes, s l e e p y sleepy this one, not there, that one, okay? that one? yes so there's o -no wonder you give me headache sometimes having to repeat every thing tut, right s l e e p y, right so draw +no wonder you give me headache sometimes having to repeat every thing tut, right s l e e p y, right so draw that one? -a line from that s all the way down to the y, right round the y and back up +a line from that s all the way down to the y, right round the y and back up mum oh well put them in the dish, round and join if up, right now cross off sleepy there? @@ -85705,16 +85628,16 @@ is that it? yes, you're not me , oh i hate doing things with you this time of night you've got no concentration have you? now it's snow white yeah, even though you've crossed it off, oh that's handy sitting right next to the bin innit? -s n o w h w w h i t e +s n o w h w w h i t e no ain't it in -right start from that s and bring your line all the way down to this e, that's it keep coming straight down,m ,m , make the pen mark +right start from that s and bring your line all the way down to this e, that's it keep coming straight down,m ,m , make the pen mark mum ma the paper let me make, get me down now you can cross snow white off and all we've got left to find is witch, oh, there it is, right go from the w, w, w, from the w, right now come down, oh i'd better help with this one because it's diagonal, i t c mum let me down right now cross witch off -mm, mm mum i don't wanna that +mm, mm mum i don't wanna that you have to get them on, pyjamas on, with the dressing gowns on, you little i'll go and get that big bucket everybody knows it's mine in moon, postman went @@ -85726,14 +85649,14 @@ ah, well sometimes when they make popcorn yeah right, popcorn starts off as little, like little brown seedy things and when it gets heated up it all pops up into fluffy white stuff, those little brown bits that nobody ate were the hard little bead things that didn't pop up, sometimes they don't pop up you see oh that's why you erm, tipped them out -yes because they're not very nice to eat they just get in your teeth i'll rinse these up +yes because they're not very nice to eat they just get in your teeth i'll rinse these up oh i'm gonna play a drum on this i can even play it like a drum -ah, no, don't do that charlotte +ah, no, don't do that charlotte playing drum finish that picture i want to put your pyjamas on in a minute mm, mm, mm you'll be able to show them what you had at pictures, won't you? -when you go back after half term you'll be able to show karen and carol and mrs +when you go back after half term you'll be able to show karen and carol and mrs yeah erm at that's right you'll have to show all your friends that you went to the pictures @@ -85793,7 +85716,7 @@ look at your nice posh shirt it's all dirty now, what? me wanna do it you won't be able to do it, it's all buttons, alright me know how to do it -no don't just pull it you'll pull the buttons off, not poppers you no, fatty look at you take it off then, no you don't take your shirt off like that, you take your shirt off like this, that's it, you're a big boy ain't you? +no don't just pull it you'll pull the buttons off, not poppers you no, fatty look at you take it off then, no you don't take your shirt off like that, you take your shirt off like this, that's it, you're a big boy ain't you? no, me er leave my vest on ooh this is gonna be yeah you must leave your vest on @@ -86008,30 +85931,30 @@ i can the cat and fiddle go? hey diddle diddle the cat and the fiddle, the cow jumped over the moon, the little dog laughed to see such fun and the dish ran away with the spoon ooh we ain't done your faces yet have we? -no mary, mary no, no, no da, da, da, da, da, da, a, da, da, in the morning +no mary, mary no, no, no da, da, da, da, da, da, a, da, da, in the morning anthony me doing that, mummy me doing that look at what? me doing that hold on i'll give you something to look at -i de, da, da, do, the dog do, do i'll give him this one to read +i de, da, da, do, the dog do, do i'll give him this one to read no i'll give him this one cos i wanna look at that one no i give him this one, there you go mm, mm hang on to that one a minute anth let us now, now -now, me done superman me done superman, done superman, there are their +now, me done superman me done superman, done superman, there are their don't da, da, da, da, do, do, there, their did you are, da de da are with the da, da, de, da, de da with the de da, mm, de, da, de, do with de, da, de, da, oh we're glowing in the glowing in the da, de, de, do, mm, mm, mm, all the -off today, dab be de do, dab be de do, put on their clothes all the mauve colour their clothes in the mauve colour their clothes +off today, dab be de do, dab be de do, put on their clothes all the mauve colour their clothes in the mauve colour their clothes i want -their clothes they wear, their clothes, their clothes, colour their clothes in the, in the merrily most +their clothes they wear, their clothes, their clothes, colour their clothes in the, in the merrily most me got a make a and my that yeah me not got -are all the same in +are all the same in in there, mummy i got me and me got in and @@ -86043,7 +85966,7 @@ we done, we da, da, da, de, de, do, da, de, da, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, da, de, do, aagh give me hope you're not fighting -now wait a minute, wait a minute, let jordan have some toys, he's only a baby, hello darling, hello no, don't leave that there jordan's playing with that darling, look show me this car you want, show me this car that you want +now wait a minute, wait a minute, let jordan have some toys, he's only a baby, hello darling, hello no, don't leave that there jordan's playing with that darling, look show me this car you want, show me this car that you want i want the at here right, well let's have a look then i want a car as well mum @@ -86073,13 +85996,13 @@ yes dar yeah hello darling, what you got? oh no he bit a -mummy mum i want to put it over, i want to put it down +mummy mum i want to put it over, i want to put it down hello darling what's the matter? -no, you, go down mum down mum +no, you, go down mum down mum what's the matter darling? my to do games do it oh darling what's the matter? -do it mummy, mummy +do it mummy, mummy oh i think i'm going to go and make you a bottle, make you a bottle shall i? yeah you mum, mum do me and, and i only two @@ -86097,11 +86020,11 @@ mum ma, don't want any more, don't want any more, don't want any more can everybody knows his mum ma -rainbow climbing high, everyone can see it climbing over the sky, rainbow, here's a rainbow yeah today poor +rainbow climbing high, everyone can see it climbing over the sky, rainbow, here's a rainbow yeah today poor he's lost his, he's lost the mummy i want a car mm -and didn't know where to find +and didn't know where to find i want a car alright then ah, a car @@ -86154,7 +86077,7 @@ didn't know where to find them, leave them alone and didn't know where to find them, leave them alone and they will come home wagging their tails behind them aagh little bo peep has lost her sheep and doesn't know where to find them, leave them alone -sheep, doesn't, where to find them +sheep, doesn't, where to find them and they'll come home dragging their tails behind them i can't down there @@ -86178,7 +86101,7 @@ mum ma, here oh go and put it in the bin then oh, who's drunk all his bot-bot? oh jordan it's all gone, you can always have another one if you're still hungry, got some windy there? -good boy tired, yeah +good boy tired, yeah mum ma it going there's a good boy was that nice, yeah? @@ -86193,7 +86116,7 @@ when will going, he'll be going up into his cot in a minute, he's very tired, so mum ma i wanna have the lunch -it's not lunch time yet i've got to sort out all these paperwork in a minute +it's not lunch time yet i've got to sort out all these paperwork in a minute ah, me done it it's a wonder you didn't wake the baby up with the noise you're flipping making. done it @@ -86204,7 +86127,7 @@ stop, get off of it er you right we've got to keep that, i'll give you what i don't want and you can put it in the bin want that? -right we want that one don't take +right we want that one don't take me want that don't want that one me want that one @@ -86245,7 +86168,7 @@ what? i don't want a plastic thing there right, well you'd better put them all where's it gone? -oh don't worry about it now, all the plastic things then put put on that blue leaflet for now and then when you've taken them all off you can put them in the bin. +oh don't worry about it now, all the plastic things then put put on that blue leaflet for now and then when you've taken them all off you can put them in the bin. what we won mum? number seven that says, win number seven. what does, but, what, what, what do we win on the muppet what do we win on the muppet @@ -86260,25 +86183,25 @@ mummy i win that win number four win number four a proud sematic, chromatic cockerel -on the blue mat we win number eight, we win number eight mum +on the blue mat we win number eight, we win number eight mum clever girl, that's an owl oh, see what else we win er, mum mummy oh that one says void, don't win on that one no we don't win on that one we win eleven -no that one says void ten, you don't win that one then right that one's void anthony, we don't win with that one either +no that one says void ten, you don't win that one then right that one's void anthony, we don't win with that one either erm, this one, it won we need one of, one of no void, don't win with that one oh win number three that a pelican oh we win nothing win nothing, no -no, one of mine i didn't win ant, what you win, show us what you win +no, one of mine i didn't win ant, what you win, show us what you win erm win number five, a rose bag, right, now you can keep the tickets if you want, but get all them little plastic things and put them in the bin hooray i want er, did we, what did we win? -we win win that +we win win that right win that have a look the square @@ -86287,7 +86210,7 @@ what's the date? monday win that this, is it rosie and jim on today? -oh wow look at that oh the baby's in bed get your bum down here , you know you don't go upstairs when he's in his cot charlotte +oh wow look at that oh the baby's in bed get your bum down here , you know you don't go upstairs when he's in his cot charlotte yeah but erm me shut the door, shut the door, before you wake him up @@ -86335,7 +86258,7 @@ what are you throwing a tantrum for? oh dear mm, yeah i'm looking at it at least he's got someone pauline like you -mm, you do it babe jordan hiya, hiya +mm, you do it babe jordan hiya, hiya right put that back in my pencil case what anthony been in oh yeah anthony @@ -86421,14 +86344,14 @@ in case we're out a bit longer, i said, tony said we could leave him out there, yeah that won't be nice in the summer if the kids have got to go out there mm -so are you gonna finish that last bit off? -yes, no, you don't have to no +so are you gonna finish that last bit off? +yes, no, you don't have to no he's nearly drunk all his juice up he's had a lot to drink today haven't you? yes you have, yeah he still got a lot in the bottle there there is some in there honestly, don't you want it? -give you er oh, ah, hold on, er you don't want any hairs on it do we? +give you er oh, ah, hold on, er you don't want any hairs on it do we? wonder what that doggy's barking at eh? i wonder what doggy's barking at? yeah, what do you think of your toys to play with @@ -86442,7 +86365,7 @@ and that's the dress is that the little , is that the little dress? i thought for fifteen pounds, seven pounds and forty nine p yeah , yeah -that's not bad and i went round to see helen to see if she wanted this one for baby anna but she said this one there is another one in there, erm +that's not bad and i went round to see helen to see if she wanted this one for baby anna but she said this one there is another one in there, erm mum which how big do they think kids heads are because that just fits me i know, which is a tiny one look @@ -86457,12 +86380,12 @@ no and i thought before i go and send it back, because i don't know of anybody mummy yeah -well go on then i don't know of anyone though, i bought those kind of shoes there +well go on then i don't know of anyone though, i bought those kind of shoes there mm the bright, the pink ones will be alright won't they? yeah the pink or the lilac yeah, so i thought i might nip into town sometime this week -one thing they could of done was put the same colour belt on the erm, oh ribbon on the hat +one thing they could of done was put the same colour belt on the erm, oh ribbon on the hat yeah or this, that the same pattern as the dress on the erm, on the belt got the right one for the right belt anyway yeah @@ -86545,11 +86468,11 @@ having a strop out there is he? you're four and a half no i four you're four and a half -i be four i'm not four and a half am i mum? +i be four i'm not four and a half am i mum? i don't know i'm not bothered you're four and four months nearly four and a half -no i four i said not four and a month i'm four +no i four i said not four and a month i'm four four and four months four and four it's going really quick innit, when i keep thinking about it when they go back after half term @@ -86586,7 +86509,7 @@ in a minute, yeah, there nearly there aaron where's the prince, get into this pencil go and get it please -please put that back in can you for me aaron +please put that back in can you for me aaron i've got to remember actually to get some birthday cards this week some time mm give me dad's to his yet @@ -86613,7 +86536,7 @@ i mean if you left your dinner another half hour say till five yeah he might come anyway yeah -oh yes, do the blue sky then i do purple, what i thought you wanted to do a blue sky? +oh yes, do the blue sky then i do purple, what i thought you wanted to do a blue sky? oh look he's magic, he they've got some quite good stuff in there mm @@ -86631,7 +86554,7 @@ erm no not that bit, do the sky blue, now we're gonna have erm er, erm now we have a have a blue, blue one -i give this, this isn't purple one that's a brown one +i give this, this isn't purple one that's a brown one which is the cover for these? what on the same page? oh i don't know, i think it's on the same page as @@ -86646,7 +86569,7 @@ and sliding cupboard underneath the bed yeah and a couple of wardrobe as well, red and white yeah, it's not a bad price -yes i quite like yeah you see she can have something like that look +yes i quite like yeah you see she can have something like that look it's your mummy, mum how do you think of that mm we've finished this snowman, mum look, mum look we've finished this snowman @@ -86732,12 +86655,12 @@ yeah it? yes, i mean they do do some of this in the big catalogue i had a look i ain't noticed, maybe i ain't looked -yes pencil and some bananas what's the matter? +yes pencil and some bananas what's the matter? i didn't it, i'm mummy's er let, let jordan play with it babe cos he's getting upset now look, i think we'd better put a dry bib on you as well, i think we've got one in here, oh we've got one in yeah in the kitchen ain't we? -no i thought there was another bib in here, i'll have to go and get you one out of the kitchen mate oh yes we have, yes we have +no i thought there was another bib in here, i'll have to go and get you one out of the kitchen mate oh yes we have, yes we have baby having that that bib on yes that one says thursday and this one says friday, but it's monday isn't it? oh dear i @@ -86780,12 +86703,12 @@ you better not get it on the furniture as well, keep it away from the furniture, right done, done it mum, i done it right didn't put it on the sofa -oh dear me oh he's still making a noise up there +oh dear me oh he's still making a noise up there mm i don't know, even know what he's throwing a tantrum over he said no -charlotte watch that pen and get it out your mouth now either use it or put the lid on it and put it away. +charlotte watch that pen and get it out your mouth now either use it or put the lid on it and put it away. i'm using it, it's just don't you want to watch this video aaron? yeah @@ -86811,7 +86734,7 @@ do you know how to work it? i do it come here dennis the menace, dennis -jelly boy put the tape in then aaron and i'll press, there i'll fast forward it, no you've got it, you've got it, no you haven't got it round the right way +jelly boy put the tape in then aaron and i'll press, there i'll fast forward it, no you've got it, you've got it, no you haven't got it round the right way look at it, you know which way to put it in there, that's it. i think i cannot use this felt tip that's it come away from it aaron don't touch any buttons @@ -86821,7 +86744,7 @@ yeah come away, that's it i'd better not use this felt tip aagh, oh dear me what you doing? -i'm tired and hungry your mum hasn't had dinner yet , put him up and dress and i thought i'm not gonna hang around doing something for dinner +i'm tired and hungry your mum hasn't had dinner yet , put him up and dress and i thought i'm not gonna hang around doing something for dinner should of got something down town, that's what i usually do yeah should of done if i was in there @@ -86838,7 +86761,7 @@ what does he say when he wants something? yes i need a drink please, ta oh there you watch this -yeah get me the box for this one then +yeah get me the box for this one then i don't know then mum will you get me a drink? no @@ -86852,7 +86775,7 @@ i, i, in that here what, do you want apple the same as me? yeah let see what's in there, oh apple -watch it, put the top on the felt tip charlotte when you're not using it otherwise you'll get it all over you, you get it over er everything else aaron +watch it, put the top on the felt tip charlotte when you're not using it otherwise you'll get it all over you, you get it over er everything else aaron mummy that's a doggy mum, mum @@ -86896,8 +86819,8 @@ yeah humpty dumpty sat on the wall, humpty dumpty had a great fall all the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put humpty together again that's right i know it -oh crikey, oh dear did you get to basingstoke saturday? -humpty dumpty sat on +oh crikey, oh dear did you get to basingstoke saturday? +humpty dumpty sat on well we went over my mum and dad's er you didn't get round pam's? no @@ -86918,7 +86841,7 @@ and we can go in when gary's finished at two it'll be the set at half past two yeah -so and not only that if gary meets me up the train station we can go straight into town on our own, leave him with pat. +so and not only that if gary meets me up the train station we can go straight into town on our own, leave him with pat. that's it yeah, it's not very easy walking around looking at things when you've got the kids tagging along with you and man all i don't mind i mean they always wanna run off with, one you've got to hold his hand or carry them @@ -86945,7 +86868,7 @@ put it back on you gonna stick it back on for me? thank you, that's it there -yeah that'll do, so long as it's on there good boy, so what one have you decided to go with then? +yeah that'll do, so long as it's on there good boy, so what one have you decided to go with then? well it's all down to gary now, is, i mean he still hasn't said yes or no or anything, it, but it, if we go for any of them it'll be mm the one that came out first thing wednesday morning. @@ -86957,7 +86880,7 @@ no that's not bad no, is it? yeah so we'll go for that i think he's just like tony, he'll say alright then get it done, get it sorted out and tony will say well we can't really afford it now or no i've change me mind now i don't think, you know -it's a bit they, i mean these people they even do interest free credit +it's a bit they, i mean these people they even do interest free credit yeah over a year which i worked it out it'll be a hundred and forty one quid a month yeah @@ -86986,7 +86909,7 @@ the thing is though they, they look at it, they always look at it that erm, they mm what's the matter shall i do your other bottle for you? i mean if i knew for the fact that i was gonna get this job at the hospital i'd pay for it -yeah still you haven't even applied for that yet have you? +yeah still you haven't even applied for that yet have you? no cos they haven't put it out yet oh, yeah let me go and make some drinks then, oh dear little man yeah if i knew some facts that i had a job to go to, i'd pay for it myself @@ -87049,14 +86972,14 @@ er yeah, that's a proper dog one and they said that'll take up to a size of a la have you ever seen any of them or not? no i'd like to well why not men go to the bleeding, er well it's like i've never been to a proper hen night, gary's been to a, a stag night, with female strippers, i'd like to go to a stag, er a hen night -mm oh dear oh dear me +mm oh dear oh dear me i'm gonna pretend i'm the little baby and you pretend your hello out, what did i tell you mummy i don't care what you're gonna say go out i wanna -don't let him in again, out if you wouldn't of let him that wouldn't of happened +don't let him in again, out if you wouldn't of let him that wouldn't of happened then don't let him in and don't be such a wimp you're alright go and get no @@ -87176,7 +87099,7 @@ mm, mm go and let him out go boo outside go on boo out, do something dog, go and lay down and have a bark -come on then is he gone? +come on then is he gone? oh charlotte's trying to lean against him and push him out, no he's settled for under the table now, now leave him charlotte he can lay under the table, he's out the way over there oh shut up you're a whinge bag anthy aaron's like that in the morning @@ -87227,7 +87150,7 @@ mm i'm just used to it i told you to get me a drink you ah ah -by the time i hope to four years +by the time i hope to four years no, no you don't speak to me like that please and thank you yes and i said i would in a minute darling alright? @@ -87252,7 +87175,7 @@ fighting talk you obvious to be naughty yeah she'll be in trouble won't she, she often gets her own drinks anyway, she sort of like, she's at that age she can, it's only when they get out there together mm -and she'll go and get the milk out and say i've just got myself a glass of milk mum, oh right, okay not even aware that she's gone out to the fridge you know, fair enough we say ah, you don't do you? +and she'll go and get the milk out and say i've just got myself a glass of milk mum, oh right, okay not even aware that she's gone out to the fridge you know, fair enough we say ah, you don't do you? no he was good yesterday though at the pictures, we took them out and they were like really good, we brought all the cartons home didn't we? cos they've got like you know bugs bunny on all the cartons up there oh have they? @@ -87267,7 +87190,7 @@ popcorn there's small and large god there was, the big one is like this and i'm not kidding you. -groups go up there and they pay the money for it and they put it in the middle while you're waiting for the film, it's all carpeted and you can watch all the monitors and they just sit down this huge tub of popcorn they had an op +groups go up there and they pay the money for it and they put it in the middle while you're waiting for the film, it's all carpeted and you can watch all the monitors and they just sit down this huge tub of popcorn they had an op how much are they? well that was on offer this week actually, that plus a great big bag of minstrels i think was two, two fifty five that's not bad is it? @@ -87453,7 +87376,7 @@ erm yeah dad'll come home tonight and say who's eaten all the custard creams then, he loves custard creams yeah and me ate them all -don't talk with your mouth full, last two there so do you think you'll get anything happen thursday then or don't you honestly know, just ask them +don't talk with your mouth full, last two there so do you think you'll get anything happen thursday then or don't you honestly know, just ask them i honestly don't know , when i spoke to her this morning she said she hasn't erm for a, for a few weeks now she hasn't placed anybody er a my bic, bic me put the bag on @@ -87539,7 +87462,7 @@ do you, do either of you know of any really good, good car boot sales? never go to them, no i put these up for anthony give them here, give it erm i know that they hold one every sunday in the football -do as you're told +do as you're told er come away from that aaron, what? well get out the way then i can't get it if you're there @@ -87576,7 +87499,7 @@ three sixteen, sixteen hundred and ninety four mm which isn't too bad no -er and that's getting a third two walls and erm an alcove with erm two glass sliding doors and then erm single wardrobe and you've got the +er and that's getting a third two walls and erm an alcove with erm two glass sliding doors and then erm single wardrobe and you've got the show mum around with the erm top boxes and two, three drawer units put it back @@ -87639,7 +87562,7 @@ mm, mm i kept thinking to myself i don't bloody want this bloody operation i might have picture half way round the world aaron, aaron -oh dear mustn't complain, no children +oh dear mustn't complain, no children aaron give that back to anthony now, now i was playing no i saw anthony with it just now @@ -87708,7 +87631,7 @@ who's on telly when we get home? we'll put these back in here cos we know they're who's on telly today, timmy mallet timmy mallet, timmy mallet, timmy mallet -hiya darling, hiya no i was really surprised cos he hasn't been drinking his juice, and that went down +hiya darling, hiya no i was really surprised cos he hasn't been drinking his juice, and that went down timmy mallet, timmy mallet i say that was naughty i normally wash them up and i put it back in there don't worry i just that @@ -87729,7 +87652,7 @@ let's see if we can turn your head, oh dear it's a little bit big no, he they've actually been taken apart, and probe about saying school leaving age and that one yeah -the kids spilt milk on this and i didn't realize and it all dried, stuck all the controls you know what tony's like, you know, can't you keep the kids away from the computer +the kids spilt milk on this and i didn't realize and it all dried, stuck all the controls you know what tony's like, you know, can't you keep the kids away from the computer aaron typically that's like gary caught aaron on saturday changing the tapes over, said i didn't know he did that @@ -87762,7 +87685,7 @@ bye bye i'll just shut this door hello, hello -right my two get in you haven't got coats on charlotte in now and shut the door +right my two get in you haven't got coats on charlotte in now and shut the door oh shut the door now, bye charlotte right come on mr man @@ -87812,7 +87735,7 @@ but he's not i tell you if one comes, they'll all come at once yeah i reckon -they just want to start it, cos once they start getting through that's when they start getting wanting decent, wanting to eat more and i mean i make them clean theirs thoroughly, they're really good at doing them actually as well +they just want to start it, cos once they start getting through that's when they start getting wanting decent, wanting to eat more and i mean i make them clean theirs thoroughly, they're really good at doing them actually as well yeah mum i can't hear the telly no you don't need to get into that @@ -87829,8 +87752,8 @@ yeah say that's not fair , say i shall miss you then won't i? say i really appreciate your time that's alright, don't worry -right you've made a nice mess out there haven't you? -mum ma i want them i want one of them +right you've made a nice mess out there haven't you? +mum ma i want them i want one of them right then charlie what you gonna sing for us? happy birthday to granddad go on then @@ -87839,19 +87762,19 @@ right you both gonna sing happy birthday to your granddad are you? alright then, stand there then, right, go on then, off you go, i'm listening what about the song have? just sing it -happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear granddad, happy birthday to you -happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear granddad, happy birthday to you +happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear granddad, happy birthday to you +happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear granddad, happy birthday to you well done, what you gonna sing for me next then? erm twinkle twinkle twinkle twinkle you wanna sing that one do you? -twinkle, twinkle little star how i wonder what you are, up above the world so high like a diamond in the sky, twinkle, twinkle little star how i wonder what you are -twinkle, twinkle little star how i wonder what you are, up above the world so high like a diamond in the sky, twinkle, twinkle little star how i wonder what you are +twinkle, twinkle little star how i wonder what you are, up above the world so high like a diamond in the sky, twinkle, twinkle little star how i wonder what you are +twinkle, twinkle little star how i wonder what you are, up above the world so high like a diamond in the sky, twinkle, twinkle little star how i wonder what you are very good, what about singing the ones you sing at playschool? jingle, jingle bells no what about the one, my mummy lives in this house? -no jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way, oh what fun it is to ride in a one horse open sleigh -jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way, oh what fun it is to ride in a one horse open sleigh +no jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way, oh what fun it is to ride in a one horse open sleigh +jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way, oh what fun it is to ride in a one horse open sleigh i need to go to the toilet, you see go on then hurry up wait for me @@ -87866,11 +87789,11 @@ no , not bad, not bad how many are living in our house? well, but sing it with charlotte as well then -how many people live in your house, how many people live in your house, one my father, two my mother, three my sister, four my brother, there's one more now let me see oh yes of course it must be me, how many people live in your house -how many people live in your house, how many people live in your house, one my father, two my mother, three my sister, four my brother, there's one more now let me see oh yes of course it must be me, how many people live in your house +how many people live in your house, how many people live in your house, one my father, two my mother, three my sister, four my brother, there's one more now let me see oh yes of course it must be me, how many people live in your house +how many people live in your house, how many people live in your house, one my father, two my mother, three my sister, four my brother, there's one more now let me see oh yes of course it must be me, how many people live in your house well done the bear went over the mountain, the mountain, the mountain, the bear went over the mountain to see what he could see, it all that he could see is the other side of the mountain all that he could see is the other side of the mountain, the bear went over the mountain -the other side of the mountain, the bear went over the mountain +the other side of the mountain, the bear went over the mountain the mountain, the mountain, the bear went over the mountain, that's all that he could see erm, what about, what's that other one you learnt, the chicken one? yeah @@ -87882,7 +87805,7 @@ go on then five and five make ten, sitting on top of the mother hen with the mother hen with the mother hen -start again, start again five and five makes ten, sitting on top with the mother hen +start again, start again five and five makes ten, sitting on top with the mother hen five and five makes ten, sitting on top with the mother hen crackle, crackle, crackle what do i see ten little yellow chicks as fluffy as can be that's it, what's the matter? what's the matter darling? @@ -87898,26 +87821,26 @@ erm, yeah the oh i don't know how the end starts off and we haven't singed it properly, one, two, three, four, five, six, we have six,six sshh -six sausages in a pan, one went pop and the other went bang -went bang +six sausages in a pan, one went pop and the other went bang +went bang oh that's it, go on then, sing it, off you go, start again one went pop and the other -no, no, in it, don't it start off three little sausages sizzling in the pan +no, no, in it, don't it start off three little sausages sizzling in the pan yeah go on then three little sausages sizzling in the pan one went pop and the other went bang bang yeah, then what happens, two little sausages yeah, i don't -two little sausages in the pan, one went pop and the other went bang +two little sausages in the pan, one went pop and the other went bang went bang -one little sausages sitting in the pan, one went pop and the other went bang +one little sausages sitting in the pan, one went pop and the other went bang went bang -five little sausages sitting in the pan, one went pop and the other went bang +five little sausages sitting in the pan, one went pop and the other went bang went bang oh really what else shall we learnt ant? -oh how many, how +oh how many, how hickory hickory dock go on then hickory, hickory dock, the mouse ran up the clock, the clock struck one, down the mouse run, hickory, tickery dock, tick tock @@ -87925,7 +87848,7 @@ tick tock insy winsy spider go on then insy winsy spider climb up the -insy winsy spider climb up the +insy winsy spider climb up the spout and down no, insy winsy spider climbs the spider's web, i think that's how it goes the spider went up the spout is me, down come the rain and out come the sun, all the sun came out in the rain, insy winsy spider climbed up again @@ -87939,7 +87862,7 @@ no we don't want baby getting them mm you can get them all out again in a minute -the bear went over the mountain what else erm +the bear went over the mountain what else erm what other songs do you learn? i know what other songs i learn what? @@ -87950,15 +87873,15 @@ yeah, jack in the box go on then yeah we wanna get down in our little box first go on then -erm jack in the box, rest his no i can't sing it +erm jack in the box, rest his no i can't sing it what is it? -jack in the box, resting so still, will you come out yes i will +jack in the box, resting so still, will you come out yes i will yes i will yes i will what other one? go on then sit down and i'll sing it, and you have to do the jump up and do the yes i will, quick curl up, quick, quick, right,jack in the box, resting so still, will you come out ? -yes i will -yes i will +yes i will +yes i will yes i will , ah a jack in the box what else do we know? oh careful, i don't know, what other songs do you learn at school? @@ -87966,17 +87889,17 @@ hello darling no playschool what, playschool, yeah, what other things do we learn at playschool? erm -erm , i know, the one you go like that +erm , i know, the one you go like that i don't know that one, sing hi ho hi, ho, hi, ho it's off to work we go, we've a huff, huff, huff and a whin, whin, whin, hi, ho, hi, ho hi, ho, hi, ho it's off to work we go, we've a huff, huff, huff and a whin, whin, whin, hi, ho, hi, ho it's home from work we go we've a huff, huff, huff and a whin, whin, whin hi, ho, hi, ho it's off to work we go, we've a chuff, chuff, chuff and a whin, whin, whin, hi, ho, hi, ho, it's home from work we go what they doing? -with a, with a chuff, chuff, chuff and a whin, whin, whin, hi, ho, hi, ho +with a, with a chuff, chuff, chuff and a whin, whin, whin, hi, ho, hi, ho yes alright i think we've had enough of that one now, i think we know you know that one, don't we jordan, erm what other ones do you learn? i don't know well you're the ones that go to playschool i don't -the one that goes +the one that goes i don't know one that you whistle in oh, i know what? @@ -87988,38 +87911,38 @@ i don't know, erm, jingle bel if you're happy and you know it yeah,if you're happy and you know it and you really want to show it right start from the beginning, if you're happy and you know it and you really want to show it clap your hands, if you're happy and you know it and really want to show stamp your feet or how ever it goes, go on then you do it. -how you really want to know it stamp your feet if you really want to -no, anthony will you stop banging on the radiator , no it's are you happy and, if you're happy and you know it clap your hands, if you're happy and you know it clap your hands +how you really want to know it stamp your feet if you really want to +no, anthony will you stop banging on the radiator , no it's are you happy and, if you're happy and you know it clap your hands, if you're happy and you know it clap your hands we want to sing it if you're happy and you know it i know i want to sing it -and you really want to show it +and you really want to show it mum, mum i want to sing it go on then -if you're happy and you know it clap your hands, if you're happy and you know it clap your hands, if you happy and you know it and you really want to show it, if you're happy and you know it clap your hands if you happy and you know it stamp your feet, stamp your feet ah get off, get off,if you're happy and you know it stamp your feet, stamp your feet, if you're happy and you know it and you really want to show it happy, if you're happy and you know it stamp your feet, stamp the feet +if you're happy and you know it clap your hands, if you're happy and you know it clap your hands, if you happy and you know it and you really want to show it, if you're happy and you know it clap your hands if you happy and you know it stamp your feet, stamp your feet ah get off, get off,if you're happy and you know it stamp your feet, stamp your feet, if you're happy and you know it and you really want to show it happy, if you're happy and you know it stamp your feet, stamp the feet good now, now, we've still got a lot to do oh, go on then, mustn't stop you from working must we darling? no, mustn't stop them from working -if you if you happy and you know it tip your head, but not your head, if you if you're happy and you know it do a four +if you if you happy and you know it tip your head, but not your head, if you if you're happy and you know it do a four get off the radiator -do a four very quietly -if you sing it quietly you won't sing something properly if you're gonna sing +do a four very quietly +if you sing it quietly you won't sing something properly if you're gonna sing i do again head and shoulders go on then do head and shoulders head and shoulders, knees and toes, knees and toes, head and shoulders, knees and toes, knees and toes, and eyes and ears and mouth and nose, head and shoulders, knees and toes, me and he, i have to do it a little bit faster a little bit faster then -head and shoulders, knees and toes, knees and toes, head and shoulders, knees and toes, knees and toes, and eyes and ears and mouth and nose, head and shoulders, knees and toes, knees and toes +head and shoulders, knees and toes, knees and toes, head and shoulders, knees and toes, knees and toes, and eyes and ears and mouth and nose, head and shoulders, knees and toes, knees and toes and eyes and ears and mouth and nose, head and shoulders, knees and toes, knees and toes now it's really faster where karen beats us go on then really faster head and shoulders knees and this what i did start again then -head and shoulders knees and toes, knees and toes and eyes and ears and mouth and nose head and shoulders knees and toes, knees and toes i beat you. -now do it really quick, quick, ready go head and shoulders knees and toes, knees and toes, head and shoulders knees and toes, knees and toes and eyes and ears and mouth and nose, head and shoulders knees and toes, knees and toes oh dear all worn out now. +head and shoulders knees and toes, knees and toes and eyes and ears and mouth and nose head and shoulders knees and toes, knees and toes i beat you. +now do it really quick, quick, ready go head and shoulders knees and toes, knees and toes, head and shoulders knees and toes, knees and toes and eyes and ears and mouth and nose, head and shoulders knees and toes, knees and toes oh dear all worn out now. me wanna sing hi ho again you wanna what? sing hi ho again @@ -88031,11 +87954,11 @@ undo your bottoms ones, that's right it's got poppers then mummy er, hello lovey, got poppers there mummy -don't get them muddled up there, cos they look the same, aagh, put that bleeding pussy cat down ooh ah, ah, pull your trousers up, you're gonna sing hi, ho again are you? +don't get them muddled up there, cos they look the same, aagh, put that bleeding pussy cat down ooh ah, ah, pull your trousers up, you're gonna sing hi, ho again are you? i put mine over here like that good girl hi, ho, hi, ho, hi, ho -no, erm, start all again hi, ho, hi, ho it's off to work we go we've a huff, huff, huff and a whin, whin, whin hi, ho, hi, ho, it's home from work we go with a chuff, chuff, chuff and a whin, whin, whin hi, ho, hi, ho, it's off to work we go with a chuff, chuff, chuff and a whin, whin, whin hi, ho, hi, ho +no, erm, start all again hi, ho, hi, ho it's off to work we go we've a huff, huff, huff and a whin, whin, whin hi, ho, hi, ho, it's home from work we go with a chuff, chuff, chuff and a whin, whin, whin hi, ho, hi, ho, it's off to work we go with a chuff, chuff, chuff and a whin, whin, whin hi, ho, hi, ho i think they're mad it's off to work we go we've a da, da, da, and a whin, whin, whin hi, ho, hi, ho, it's off to work we go oh @@ -88061,13 +87984,13 @@ i know how many lorries you can count, shall i sing it to you? how many lorries can you count, how many lorries can you count they're making a lot of noise aren't they? how many -lorries can you count +lorries can you count lorries can you count , one, one, one, that's all we can count, all we one by big and stout, i clapped my hands, and i jump up jump up and turn around and i jump did jordan leave his dummy on the floor? oh no it's there no you haven't -me wanna sing lorry again lorry and lorry, lorry -how many lorries can you count mummy listen to us +me wanna sing lorry again lorry and lorry, lorry +how many lorries can you count mummy listen to us i'm listening, i'm listening how many lorries can you count, one, one, one, that's all we can count, why don't you jump instead of turning round are you sure you're not just making that one up? @@ -88075,22 +87998,22 @@ no, we are not are you sure about that? of course mum, mum i know, i know another charlotte you've knocked his dummy out -and now i know another song about donald duck donald duck went up the hill stuck in the miney mo, down in the rain and was for, donald duck -for erm, i know,insy winsy spider climb up the water spout, down came the rain and washed poor winsy out, out came the sun and dried all the rain, and insy winsy climb up +and now i know another song about donald duck donald duck went up the hill stuck in the miney mo, down in the rain and was for, donald duck +for erm, i know,insy winsy spider climb up the water spout, down came the rain and washed poor winsy out, out came the sun and dried all the rain, and insy winsy climb up the spout again -i sing a song about donald duck donald duck wears a hat like this, a hat like this, like this, donald duck wears a hat like this, has he got a drink of coke? -er donald duck had a drink of coke, mm, mm, donald duck had a drink of coke +i sing a song about donald duck donald duck wears a hat like this, a hat like this, like this, donald duck wears a hat like this, has he got a drink of coke? +er donald duck had a drink of coke, mm, mm, donald duck had a drink of coke i think you're just making that song up dear -no it's not it's my new guest on and then jack and the jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water, down fell jack and broke his crown and jill came tumbling +no it's not it's my new guest on and then jack and the jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water, down fell jack and broke his crown and jill came tumbling turn it off, you'll waste the battery after , mum did you hear me? -yeah, anthony turn that off don't waste the batteries on it darling +yeah, anthony turn that off don't waste the batteries on it darling did you hear me mum? yeah i did -jack and jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water, jack fell down and broke +jack and jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water, jack fell down and broke jack and jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water, jack fell down and broke his crown and jill came tumbling after . do you know humpty dumpty? -yeah humpty dumpty sat on the wall, humpty dumpty had a great fall, all the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put humpty together again +yeah humpty dumpty sat on the wall, humpty dumpty had a great fall, all the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put humpty together again i tell you what, you know more songs at your age than what i ever knew when i was little, i couldn't remember all them er no @@ -88109,12 +88032,12 @@ what? five little monkeys jumping on the bed go on then me -five little monkeys jumping on the bed, one fell off and bumped his head, mummy phoned the doctor and the doctor said no more monkeys jumping on the bed -no more monkeys jumping on the bed -four little monkeys jumping on the bed, one fell off and bumped his head, mummy phoned the doctor and the doctor said, no more monkey's jumping on the bed -four little monkeys jumping on the bed, one fell off and bumped his head, mummy phoned the doctor and the doctor said, no more monkeys jumping on the bed -three little monkeys jumping on the bed, one fell off and bumped his head, mummy phoned the doctor and the doctor said, no more monkeys jumping on the bed i know two little monkeys jumping on the bed, one fell off and bumped his head, mummy phoned the doctor and the doctor said, no more monkeys jumping on the bed, one little monkey jumping on the bed, one fell off and bumped his head, mummy phoned the doctor and the doctor said no more monkey jumping on the bed -one little monkey jumping on the bed, one fell off and bumped his head, mummy phoned the doctor and the doctor said no more monkey jumping on the bed +five little monkeys jumping on the bed, one fell off and bumped his head, mummy phoned the doctor and the doctor said no more monkeys jumping on the bed +no more monkeys jumping on the bed +four little monkeys jumping on the bed, one fell off and bumped his head, mummy phoned the doctor and the doctor said, no more monkey's jumping on the bed +four little monkeys jumping on the bed, one fell off and bumped his head, mummy phoned the doctor and the doctor said, no more monkeys jumping on the bed +three little monkeys jumping on the bed, one fell off and bumped his head, mummy phoned the doctor and the doctor said, no more monkeys jumping on the bed i know two little monkeys jumping on the bed, one fell off and bumped his head, mummy phoned the doctor and the doctor said, no more monkeys jumping on the bed, one little monkey jumping on the bed, one fell off and bumped his head, mummy phoned the doctor and the doctor said no more monkey jumping on the bed +one little monkey jumping on the bed, one fell off and bumped his head, mummy phoned the doctor and the doctor said no more monkey jumping on the bed that's a noisy one, cor, want it mate? me and er sing pussy cat sing pussy cat? @@ -88122,9 +88045,9 @@ yeah go on then pussy cat, pussy cat where are you? pussy cat, pussy cat where are you? -hang on a minute it's supposed to be pussy cat, pussy cat who did there -is it not supposed to be pussy cat, pussy cat where have you been, i've been to london to see the queen ? -no pussy cat, pussy cat where on +hang on a minute it's supposed to be pussy cat, pussy cat who did there +is it not supposed to be pussy cat, pussy cat where have you been, i've been to london to see the queen ? +no pussy cat, pussy cat where on no sing pussy cat, pussy cat on my own pussy cat on his own yeah @@ -88138,7 +88061,7 @@ we've singed that have you? not me sing it alright then, what other nursery rhymes you know, erm -erm, i know three blind mice, three blind mice, three blind mice, see how they run, see how they run, they all run after the farmer's wife, he cut off their tails with a carving knife, have you ever seen such a thing in your life, three blind mice +erm, i know three blind mice, three blind mice, three blind mice, see how they run, see how they run, they all run after the farmer's wife, he cut off their tails with a carving knife, have you ever seen such a thing in your life, three blind mice me and three little, three little, three little pardon? three little sweets in the @@ -88148,14 +88071,14 @@ no right erm yes hang on anthony, speak clearly i can't understand you yet darling. -you sing it with us three little sweets, three little sweets is that right? +you sing it with us three little sweets, three little sweets is that right? no what about, what about baa baa black sheep? no, i was going to say what about the one about five sticky buns in the baker's shop, do you know that one? yeah go on then, sit down and -five sticky buns in the baker's shop is that right? +five sticky buns in the baker's shop is that right? yeah, what's the next bit? i don't know oh no it wasn't, it was five currant buns wasn't it? @@ -88171,19 +88094,19 @@ no i know what oh i don't know that, i can't think of that one three little kittens unless it was, yeah, three currant buns in a baker's shop, i paid a penny and, no, oh i don't know i can't think of it -i laid a penny, no i spended a baker shop and one took away, five currant buns in a baker's shop, one went +i laid a penny, no i spended a baker shop and one took away, five currant buns in a baker's shop, one went no, five currant buns in a baker's shop shop , along came a keeper and fi fat and delicious with sugar on the top along came the people and buyed it too -no, five currant buns in a baker's shop, round and sticky with the sugar on the top, peter paid a penny and took one away, two currant buns left on the tray sing that one then three currant buns in the baker's shop -three currant buns in the baker's shop +no, five currant buns in a baker's shop, round and sticky with the sugar on the top, peter paid a penny and took one away, two currant buns left on the tray sing that one then three currant buns in the baker's shop +three currant buns in the baker's shop fat and sticky with sugar on the top, peter paid a penny and took one away, then there were two currant buns left on the tray, two currant buns in the baker's shop fat and sticky with sugar on the top, peter paid a penny and took one away -two currant buns in the baker's shop fat and sticky with sugar on the top, peter paid a penny and took one away +two currant buns in the baker's shop fat and sticky with sugar on the top, peter paid a penny and took one away there was one currant bun left on the tray mum cos i -one currant bun in the baker's shop, round and fat with sugar on the top, peter paid a penny and took one away -mum cos we, mum, mum, mum,mum, mum +one currant bun in the baker's shop, round and fat with sugar on the top, peter paid a penny and took one away +mum cos we, mum, mum, mum,mum, mum yes charlie? can we sing that last one by our self? if you must @@ -88199,7 +88122,7 @@ what, what three little kittens i don't know that one three little kittens, three little kittens, see how they run, see how they came, along came the father and make it hat, when he put his hat on and said -i know, three little ducks swimming three little ducks, swimming, three little ducks, swimming, go to the pond and round and back , no i, hold a, hold on to my hands, hold on to my hands ant hold on to my hands, you sing row, row the, row the boat gently down the stream by our self. +i know, three little ducks swimming three little ducks, swimming, three little ducks, swimming, go to the pond and round and back , no i, hold a, hold on to my hands, hold on to my hands ant hold on to my hands, you sing row, row the, row the boat gently down the stream by our self. hold hands ant, we're gonna sing row, row, row the boat gently down the stream. are you tired? are you tired? @@ -88208,7 +88131,7 @@ are you tired? alright then i use it with my feet mm no don't aggravate charlotte -what, what about row, row row, row, row, the boat gently down the stream, merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily life is but a dream ant do you wanna sing row, row, row, row the boat gently down the stream? +what, what about row, row row, row, row, the boat gently down the stream, merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily life is but a dream ant do you wanna sing row, row, row, row the boat gently down the stream? mm row, row, row the boat what's the matter? @@ -88227,7 +88150,7 @@ oh you want picking up do you? no, i'm singing the one the lorry little and the lorry, he wants to sing little and the lorry go on then -little and the lorry, little and the lorry, do you see +little and the lorry, little and the lorry, do you see listen can you sing quietly? alright, alright, i'm gonna sort you out, come on then, sshh, do some more singing then erm i don't know what to sing, i think of something @@ -88268,7 +88191,7 @@ green there i did them , here for you see oh no another one in there, you can have two then can't you? -stop doing that, oh it won't shut will it, just press that button, oh stop that, i want it to shut +stop doing that, oh it won't shut will it, just press that button, oh stop that, i want it to shut well it won't shut there now we've got two, two each haven't we? and i just gave you two, two aren't i? @@ -88294,24 +88217,24 @@ we haven't thinked of any songs oh we can't think of any more songs that's alright it don't hurt to have a bit of peace and quiet -i know i know a song +i know i know a song oh do you? yeah, three little kittens and mother gave them three little kittens ah don't you eat all, eat them all three little kittens they walked round the door oh not on the window sill -their mother said he isn't well, we brushed the kittens those naughty little kittens in the, show +their mother said he isn't well, we brushed the kittens those naughty little kittens in the, show ah, ah, aagh what's the matter? the three little well ask me to sort it out, don't sit there and whinge anthony and they found the i got it now -three little kittens they found their mother three little kittens they found their mittens +three little kittens they found their mother three little kittens they found their mittens i got it and mother did, we found our mittens, when you got your mittens now you can have your -meow, meow, meow, meow er, a, have you got your other one out? +meow, meow, meow, meow er, a, have you got your other one out? shall i put mine in there? where did you put it through there? how? @@ -88319,20 +88242,20 @@ like that? in there and you couldn't even get it out er that -take it and that's how you've got it out, and i want +take it and that's how you've got it out, and i want do you know if i ate a strawberry one yet? yeah how did you know that, do you look at the paper or anything? did you? -oh no it's broken, that is it oh this is better, that's better to fix it +oh no it's broken, that is it oh this is better, that's better to fix it that's what i haven't, have a sweetie oh it's a bit hard to do innit? -good boy keep working darling but the only problem with it, that the wheels don't go round do they? +good boy keep working darling but the only problem with it, that the wheels don't go round do they? where's your drill? what you doing fixing your car are you? yeah, he hasn't got -got something though, stand up, i know a song now, i've got a song hickory hickory dock, the mouse did run up the clock, the clock struck one, what do you think of that, hickory, hickory dock, tick tock there are, i know that one, er, get a drink +got something though, stand up, i know a song now, i've got a song hickory hickory dock, the mouse did run up the clock, the clock struck one, what do you think of that, hickory, hickory dock, tick tock there are, i know that one, er, get a drink do you have to tip them all out anthony mark? yeah well i hope you're gonna put them all away later @@ -88342,7 +88265,7 @@ oh my drink anthony are you sure? i think there was some, there's still a little bit in there ant mum, mum -stop the pigeon, stop the pigeon +stop the pigeon, stop the pigeon mummy a little bit in there you want a drink dear? have your sweets for what? @@ -88351,13 +88274,13 @@ that's my last one me want a green one no, not any more and me want a, er, not and that i got two -they're broken my last one +they're broken my last one no more for what?telephone ringing hello can i do that? no you can't, me have a go -oh right, okay charlotte be quiet, ah? -oh that's alright yeah i'm just feeding my baby +oh right, okay charlotte be quiet, ah? +oh that's alright yeah i'm just feeding my baby what's he coming round for then? no must be @@ -88374,11 +88297,11 @@ is, have you got three white ones? no, well i'm, i need that one, that's not a white one, you need to go through the wheel there, see oh then? -well don't have it done then well if you have them done you'll have them with the frame +well don't have it done then well if you have them done you'll have them with the frame oh won't they? why won't this rod go through? -oh you're not having those aluminium ones then mm +oh you're not having those aluminium ones then mm won't go through oh whatever, at least they won't rot that's right @@ -88396,7 +88319,6 @@ i suppose you can to decorate it as well, we're gonna have that dark grey, and that way it won't cost us anything, we just wait, you know just get it out on our insurance policy, so we'll send it off, no not at the moment, so i've still got to clean my kitchen out thoroughly mum ma, mum ma - a very good morning to you. jonathan cowap with the final hour of tuesday morning's breakfast programme your opportunity to have your say on just about everything as long as it's legal and decent and honest and in your own opinion you can call me now on york six four one six four one. things we think you might be interested or i think you might be interested in talking about this morning. @@ -88430,9 +88352,9 @@ what was your erm wha what was your opinion of of these new suggestions? right well erm i i believe er that we should make every effort to preserve marriages erm and thinking especially of the suffering that's involved fm for children. i really feel very much for the children. and i'd i do think it's possible erm with help for people both sides have a partnership to to change you know if we take an honest look at ourselves. -they'd start er you know one man gen mentioned er that when we get married in church erm we are making sacred vows you know we start with god but then we get busy with our living and our jobs and having our families and then somehow we forget about god and we we try to go on without him. +they'd start er you know one man gen mentioned er that when we get married in church erm we are making sacred vows you know we start with god but then we get busy with our living and our jobs and having our families and then somehow we forget about god and we we try to go on without him. but er i i do belie i've we we go to a a church in in york and er i believe in the saying, the family that prays together stays together, and a christian foundation for marriage i gives stability in your relationship. -i mean we have to work very hard in our own er relationship we've had our ups and downs we've gone through many difficult times like unemployment and even homelessness and you know we we've gone through it but when you make your promises you say you'll stay together for richer for poorer in sickness and in health and so on. +i mean we have to work very hard in our own er relationship we've had our ups and downs we've gone through many difficult times like unemployment and even homelessness and you know we we've gone through it but when you make your promises you say you'll stay together for richer for poorer in sickness and in health and so on. but sometimes they're taking lightly and we have found the help and encouragement that our christian friends and our our vicar have given to us in our difficult times have he helped keep us together. i'm sure the word divorce has come into my mind er several times at the crisis points but by god's strength you keep going and you grow . but f f f for many people judy i mean th people will look to you with some degree of er of admiration and maybe some degree of of envy that you do have that strong faith that's that's helped you through those times. @@ -88441,31 +88363,31 @@ doesn't it make a nonsense of the whole thing? well i agree i i mean it it is a bit hypocritical really just to want all all the the show and everything you know if you're not really sincere in those promises you're making. i mean the the money that some people spend on on a wedding i i mean it it's just one day and then you got yo it's your life afterwards that really counts. erm i think money is another issue a actually very strong issue that causes er people to think of divorce because of disagreement of h how to to use money people go into debt. -we're coming up to christmas of course and that was touched on yesterday how much people spend at christmas. +we're coming up to christmas of course and that was touched on yesterday how much people spend at christmas. erm there's tremendous pressures i think for for a mother particularly erm at the early stage in the marriage when she has young children at home. -i found that quite a hard time erm and especially if you don't have any family near. +i found that quite a hard time erm and especially if you don't have any family near. m my parents live quite a long way away and erm y you've got to to you need the support of others. a friend and i in in our church we've started erm a mother and toddler service and that seemed to really help a lot of the young mums they really look forward and they said could we have it more often. you know we had it once a month and they really wanted this kind of support and help and er for the ch children to have a christian foundation. i'm sure if people will perhaps they look at the church and think oh it's out of touch but it isn't there are churches that are alive and have something very relevant to say today. -as a as a churchgoer and a committed christian i mean i i quoted earlier on this morning from the sun newspaper this morning which is ranting and raving this morning on the subject of erm well it claims that the the archbishop of canterbury er dr carey is saying that erm charles could never be king of this country erm because erm he had an affair with camilla parker bowles +as a as a churchgoer and a committed christian i mean i i quoted earlier on this morning from the sun newspaper this morning which is ranting and raving this morning on the subject of erm well it claims that the the archbishop of canterbury er dr carey is saying that erm charles could never be king of this country erm because erm he had an affair with camilla parker bowles mhm. -wha what's what would your opinion be as as a church-comer would you be as we don't know whether the archbishop really said it cos it's printed in the sun for heaven's sake. -mm i bet it's been twisted i've had experience of things i've said being in the paper and not coming out as i've said them . +wha what's what would your opinion be as as a church-comer would you be as we don't know whether the archbishop really said it cos it's printed in the sun for heaven's sake. +mm i bet it's been twisted i've had experience of things i've said being in the paper and not coming out as i've said them . but wha what's y what's your opinis opinion i mean you're talking about erm the er marriage from er er er spiritual standpoint from a christian standpoint and here we have the man who erm if he became king would be head of the church of england assuming it hasn't become disestablished by then. mm. erm how would you feel about him being being the kind and defender of the faith? well not very happy really. erm you know i mean i i wi the queen i think has given a wonderful example and her family life and i feel very sorry for the way her her children have you know the stresses of modern life ha have caused all these things and i feel for charles an and diana deeply. erm i think it's really very sad that i it's just the society we live in has put these kind of pressures on marriages and you know we're all human and we can all be tempted to look at other people and be unfaithful but in those times of er you know temptation you just i well i i've found that that's where my faith comes in you're sort of helped through those times. -erm i'm not really ans answering the question but i i didn't really want to get on to that one it's just +erm i'm not really ans answering the question but i i didn't really want to get on to that one it's just all right. could i just erm mention one thing if yep if there are people who are going through a crisis just now there is a wonderful organization called care, care for the family. they have many caring initiatives and erm they've been to york and they've erm had marriage seminars er and they do an hel help with parenting er i just wonder if i could give the address of this so if anyone is interested well -they could get in touch +they could get in touch i'll tell you i'll tell you what w we you give the the the address to someone o off air because people won't have pen and paper now and then if any right and then anyone can phone in then anyone who wants it can call us. @@ -88491,20 +88413,20 @@ he called for concerted action by governors head teachers and teachers to erm ma this whole business of sex education and teaching morality in schools, do you think it is the school's responsibility or do you think mum and dad ought to play more of a part? york six four one six four one is the number to call. erm moving on and talking about the subject of the gascoigne wood pits or the er proposed tip at the gascoigne wood pits in just a couple of moments time. -hello to tell you what's on today's afternoon show. +hello to tell you what's on today's afternoon show. flashback f m rewinds to december nineteen eighty three, from three meet former radio four today presenter john timpson with another of his wacky books which takes him all over the country looking at the unusual including some of the things you never knew existed in north yorkshire. gumboots and pearls is the story of army officers' wives continues and after four anything could happen when the goody and the baddy meet head on. david leonard and martin barris are in panto once again at york theatre royal they pop in straight from rehearsals. and our class of the week today come from king james school in knaresborough. -tuesday's afternoon show with between two and five i hope you'll join me. +tuesday's afternoon show with between two and five i hope you'll join me. it's nineteen minutes past nine. if it goes ahead it'll cover nearly three hundred and fifty acres and consist of thirty million tons of coal. british coal's plans to build a huge coal tip at gascoigne wood could get approval later today. an official from the inspectorate of pollution had expressed worries that the scheme would cause more pollution but today those criticisms have been withdrawn. well local people protesting in the area say they'll fight the scheme and they plan to lobby the meeting of county planners at ten thirty in northallerton this morning which has been called to discuss the scheme. -well joining me on the line is the minerals planning consultant from the protester's group that's er peter and in our northallerton studio is john who's the county planning officer. -first er but i've been tol i'm sorry i'm i haven't realized scott was joining us on the line. -good morning and he's with us as well. +well joining me on the line is the minerals planning consultant from the protester's group that's er peter and in our northallerton studio is john who's the county planning officer. +first er but i've been tol i'm sorry i'm i haven't realized scott was joining us on the line. +good morning and he's with us as well. good morning mr . good morning. erm well i don't really know what to ask you because i was prepared to erm @@ -88517,24 +88439,24 @@ in my view,a although there's a current debate about this there has not been the so you wouldn't be necessarily satisfied then with discussion purely at a local level and a decision here? no i th the the public inquiry that should take place in my view would would of course be conducted locally would involve all local interest and would have the benefit of independent views by experts on the environmental impact of this er proposal. so what i'm really asking for is full democracy and not the rather closed democracy that we've been used to in this country er for too long. -mr that you very much indeed for joining us on the programme this morning. +mr that you very much indeed for joining us on the programme this morning. took me by awares er by er by surprise. -let me go to er where i expected to go now to john the county planning officer. -what do you think to erm what erm you've just heard the north yorkshire euro mp edward have to say there about his erm keenness to see a public inquiry? +let me go to er where i expected to go now to john the county planning officer. +what do you think to erm what erm you've just heard the north yorkshire euro mp edward have to say there about his erm keenness to see a public inquiry? well the county council is quite clear on this. -we are an experienced planning authority. +we are an experienced planning authority. county councillors have been dealing with british coal in relation to gascoigne wood and selby complex for twenty years. in that limited area where we lacked expertise we have employed outside consultants to advise the council. i believe that we have wi will be fulfilling all our statutory and moral responsibilities in the way that we have dealt with the application. we've dealt with it fully in compliance with the law including an environmental statement. -mr refers to european law and environmental statements that was passed into british legislation we have fully complied with that. +mr refers to european law and environmental statements that was passed into british legislation we have fully complied with that. an environmental statement was required from the company it has been given full publicity i believe that the planning committee and county planning committee today have sufficient information to come to a decision an informed decision. -well le let's just hear what er peter has to say about that. +well le let's just hear what er peter has to say about that. he's the mineral planning consultant from the protester's protest group. good morning mr . good morning. what would your comment be? -my comment is that i don't accept what john is saying. +my comment is that i don't accept what john is saying. i cannot for the life of me see why the county council as the statutory authority and supposedly an independent er er body to british coal is so resistant to a full public inquiry when only the clear er proposals of british coal will come out. i cannot for the life of me see why they're so resistant to it. mr . @@ -88545,7 +88467,7 @@ the the the er the joint villages action committee wants a public discussion to why shouldn't they have that? i mean this coal tip is isn't going to be based on what i said a moment or two ago with it's thirty million tons of coal covering nearly three hundred and fifty acres a bit of a monster. well you say that but i mean there are plenty of other coal disposal facilities in the country. -what eventually is proposed would be very similar to hambleton and bath in terms of its impact in the local environment. +what eventually is proposed would be very similar to hambleton and bath in terms of its impact in the local environment. there are few people, i'm very concerned for those people and we will be imposing conditions if members wish to approve it to protect the interests of the few people in close proximity, many of the objectors er they must be heard and their point of view is report in the committee papers but they do live at er a couple of miles from the site. er i would say that the impact of the development if it goes ahead must be limited at that distance. i don't believe there will be problems at that distance of noise of dust and the visual impact of this hill must be limited at that distance. @@ -88564,7 +88486,7 @@ i don't believe that the secretary of state has need to call it in and indeed mr that is the definition as to why an application should be called in. does it raise issues of more than local importance. the view of the county council is that it does not raise those issues. -i'll let peter come back to you in just a moment erm and there are more question i would ask you as well but erm now we must take a short break with time at nine twenty six. +i'll let peter come back to you in just a moment erm and there are more question i would ask you as well but erm now we must take a short break with time at nine twenty six. we'll get the latest on north yorkshire's roads from a a roadwatch. and starting firstly in york city centre. things starting to ease off following a busy rush hour this morning. @@ -88579,21 +88501,21 @@ jason cullen a a roadwatch. two rail delays to tell you about. the nine thirty six london kings cross service that one is delayed at the moment as is the nine forty two bournemouth service out of platform five. apart from that everything else running to time through until the ten o'clock london kings cross service out of platform three. -peter you wanted to come back. +peter you wanted to come back. yes indeed i do. -mr claims that this is merely of local importance and at the end of the day twenty years from now or twenty five years from now whenever this the application is imp is implemented and and completed that it would be no more than a replica of er natural features within the vale of york. +mr claims that this is merely of local importance and at the end of the day twenty years from now or twenty five years from now whenever this the application is imp is implemented and and completed that it would be no more than a replica of er natural features within the vale of york. those two points are absolutely nonsense. it is not merely of local importance it is going to be a huge alien feature for twenty years of working and in perpetuity thereafter within a natural rural area and a natural landscape. -it is going to be nine and a half times the footprint of hambleton three and a half times the footprint of brayton bath it will tower in its mass beside them and it is totally unreasonable and wrong for anybody to describe it as merely of local concern. +it is going to be nine and a half times the footprint of hambleton three and a half times the footprint of brayton bath it will tower in its mass beside them and it is totally unreasonable and wrong for anybody to describe it as merely of local concern. john . -well the i have to disagree with mr on this. +well the i have to disagree with mr on this. the height of the mound will be lower than brayton bath it will be lower than hambleton . i'm not minimizing the impact on the environment during working we are still negotiating the details of restoration with british coal in the event that members er accept the recommendation in principle today. we are seeking to ensure that the er first area to be built up gives protection to the village of hambleton and can be restored very quickly. but nevertheless it is an application which is necessary, british coal at the end of the day would have been delighted not to make it after all. this is going to be a very er difficult and expensive application for them but we have a successful coal industry the jobs associated with it we've got to balance economic interests and environmental interests and i believe we can do so. a reminder to you if you're listening to the programme this morning and er you are concerned about the creation of this tip at the gascoigne wood mine in selby that you can call us and put your question to york six four one six four one is the number to call. -can i ask you mr we we reported on this programme yesterday morning that an official from the inspectorate of pollution had expressed worries that the scheme could cause more pollution. +can i ask you mr we we reported on this programme yesterday morning that an official from the inspectorate of pollution had expressed worries that the scheme could cause more pollution. but today we learn that those criticisms have been withdrawn. why? why's he changed his mind? @@ -88606,33 +88528,33 @@ he said that there was a risk of pollution. now that is a technical issue. i asked both bodies to get together if they needed further information from british coal they should secure it. that's what h m i p did they got further information from british coal they met er on friday er with their colleagues at the national rivers authority and it's from that greater understanding of the application that h m i p have now said that they are prepared to withdraw their objection subject to the imposition of the conditions at the n r a request. -peter what +peter what to do that. -peter why do you think the erm the her majesty's inspectorate of pollution have changed their mind? +peter why do you think the erm the her majesty's inspectorate of pollution have changed their mind? because they've been pressured into an opinion on one particular aspect of their letter. but don't forget that their letter really addressed three fundamental issues. -it addressed air quality they criticize the threat to air quality in their letter and that hasn't been addressed by the n r a it's beyond the n r a's permit to to do that. +it addressed air quality they criticize the threat to air quality in their letter and that hasn't been addressed by the n r a it's beyond the n r a's permit to to do that. and then we have the third issue which is site selection and here they are at one with the local communities when they say this particular er selected site has been driven by economic consideration and not environmental consideration. and that is against the advice of government in its circular advice to the coal industry and indeed to the county council. so they might well have had convenient discussions with the n r a as late as friday even though their letter preem the inspectorate's letter was written on the eighth of september and friday of course was the day after this letter had been released to us on our request and was was two days after the selby committee had met on wednesday. howev it's all too convenient and it's all too easy we have a perfect example of of of bureaucratic shuffling. shuffle it between enough parties for long enough and and the issues will get lost. -john +john no. bureaucratic shuffling? -certainly not i mean the other issues as as mr quite rightly says are air quality and the letter from the inspectorate now says i understand that the measures taken by british coal, and they've moved on since september, the measures taken by british coal are now to the satisfaction of the regulatory authority which for air quality is the district council. +certainly not i mean the other issues as as mr quite rightly says are air quality and the letter from the inspectorate now says i understand that the measures taken by british coal, and they've moved on since september, the measures taken by british coal are now to the satisfaction of the regulatory authority which for air quality is the district council. and on site selection, well that is not why i consult er h m i p i want their technical views. site selection has been dealt with and is a ss straight forward planning issue. no it isn't. i think it's a it's a question that they are perfectly right under the environmental protection legislation where the h m i p are given wider powers. i think it is a perfectly legitimate area of comment for them. -but can i answer specifically john's point john 's point on the matter of agreement between h m i p now and the selby district council on the matter of air quality. +but can i answer specifically john's point john 's point on the matter of agreement between h m i p now and the selby district council on the matter of air quality. the latest report from the environmental health department of selby district council which was made available to the selby district council planning committee last wednesday clearly criticizes the issue of air quality based on the british coal proposals as they stand. they say that there are going to be dust clouds issuing from this site comparable to the dust clouds that used to issue from the p f a lagoons at brotherton. and that's almost a straight quotation from that report. so if the h m i p are now at one with selby then they must still stand by their view that there is a considerable risk to air quality as outlined in point one of their letter of the eighth of september. now it is for these reasons all of these different views and these conflicting opinions coming from authoritative sources and the concern the locals have that this issue has been ramrodded through on a political ticket is is is the very reason why it should go to an inspector appointed by the secretary of state at least some semblance of independence and that issues brought out in in full public consideration. -john john well let john let john answer that. +john john well let john let john answer that. it's not been ramrodded through on a political basis. my report to the planning committee is a sound professional technical planning report and i believe that on the information that i've been supplied with i can recommend to the planning committee to approve the application. you've got three thousand people locally who've their signatures to a petition who don't want this thing on their doorstep because they're worried that they've tha that there're going to be things wrong with it's going to affect the quality of the lives of people in selby. @@ -88643,7 +88565,7 @@ i mean we will be working with british coal to work it out further in fine detai we're go entering proposing to enter into legal agreements as well as planning conditions if it is to go ahead. let's hear from some erm local people on the subject of er of the proposed er tip site at gascoigne wood near selby. reminders that you can call in as well on six four one six four one on the york exchange if you've a point you'd like to make. -terry terry we've been keeping him waiting on the line a long time good morning terry. +terry terry we've been keeping him waiting on the line a long time good morning terry. good morning. erm you i understand live erm quite near to the proposed development. yes it's within six hundred and fifty meters. @@ -88653,26 +88575,26 @@ as it's been noted in the previous conversation there is er a possibility of obv yes sorry that was my my mistake. coal can be moved spoil is there for ever. we've got this on our doorstep for twenty thirty forty years and longer. -er because of the problems the stock piles of coal at various pits, i think there is about forty five million tons stocked at various pits, they'll still be using coal from bywater and so that there's no necessity to to mine coal in such er vast amount. +er because of the problems the stock piles of coal at various pits, i think there is about forty five million tons stocked at various pits, they'll still be using coal from bywater and so that there's no necessity to to mine coal in such er vast amount. obviously the affect of the change in the pit review procedure has changed a lot. this was muted well before the the pit review body decided to sort of close pits down. but a a away from the the the politics and the necessity to to mine coal yeah or nay, your personal worry is that you live close to the proposed site and it's going to somehow adversely affect the quality of your and your family's life. yes. -okay let's put that to john what er what reassurances can you to er to terry living six hundred and fifty meters away from this planned development? +okay let's put that to john what er what reassurances can you to er to terry living six hundred and fifty meters away from this planned development? he he doesn't believe the reassurances he's heard so far. well i believe that we i am confident in fact that we can impose conditions and more importantly place conditions that will minimize the dust . we're proposing codes of practice to operate it. it's not coming completely new to us this type of operation. -we have experience at common and at barlow with disposal of power station ash. +we have experience at common and at barlow with disposal of power station ash. slightly different material but substantially the same n nature same scale of development, i believe that we have a track record that shows that we were are tough and will continue to be tough i -terry do those reassurances that the county council planners are going to be tough do they erm =lay some of the er the fears that you have? +terry do those reassurances that the county council planners are going to be tough do they erm =lay some of the er the fears that you have? in a word no. why not? we've had assurances before we we've had no dialogue with the county council. we wouldn't have had no dialogue with british coal or very little dialogue. i have a quick phone call i think it was june or july just stating what they wanted to do and i in my opinion it was passed then and it is political. terry thank you very much indeed. -peter if you're still with us. +peter if you're still with us. yes indeed. wh erm terry's feelings there do they you've obviously been speaking to to large numbers of protestors do they marry with the other opinions that you hear? oh absolutely so. @@ -88681,9 +88603,9 @@ there are not three thousand four hundred signatures say this thing should be re that might well be the result at the end of the day when all issues are properly balanced. what the three thousand four hundred are saying is that the county council and british coal do not know where they're going with this thing, the full implications of it have either not been properly assessed or indeed not been released to the to the local communities. they feel that as it's their heritage they should have a say in the matter and a proper consideration and therefore there are thousands of signatures saying please can we have a public inquiry. -that is what they're saying and i think that that can only be seen as eminently reasonable and i think that that edward has hit the nail right on the head when he says look if this issue is not properly considered locally there can be no alternative if government fails in its duty to call it in in the in the interests of of the local communities and the region at large, then it will have to go to brussels. +that is what they're saying and i think that that can only be seen as eminently reasonable and i think that that edward has hit the nail right on the head when he says look if this issue is not properly considered locally there can be no alternative if government fails in its duty to call it in in the in the interests of of the local communities and the region at large, then it will have to go to brussels. and i would welcome that initiative right now. -john can you really press ahead with this recommendation in the light of the fact that there is clearly such mass local feeling about it such distrust on on a grand scale of the reassurances that you and fellow planners have made? +john can you really press ahead with this recommendation in the light of the fact that there is clearly such mass local feeling about it such distrust on on a grand scale of the reassurances that you and fellow planners have made? well i'm disappointed that there is this lack of reassurance. i mean we have handled it professionally and con and con i don't i don't i don't i don't think i don't think anybody is denying that but it's clearly not worked. @@ -88693,7 +88615,7 @@ no but again it does but but but when the but when the local community rises up yes well they are listening. i mean the committee report er and appendices that are going to members today run to thirty plus sides. at the end of the day in any event the county planning committee if they accept my recommendation will be sending it off to the department of the environment. -if the department of the environment think that there are issues of more than local importance they will call it in but their preliminary view expressed to the local mp mr is that they don't believe that's the case. +if the department of the environment think that there are issues of more than local importance they will call it in but their preliminary view expressed to the local mp mr is that they don't believe that's the case. that i stress is a preliminary view they could not and would not wish to make a final decision until they have all the information. but i think that we can persuade them that it is something that parliament has said a planning application that deals with local issues can be determined locally. peter . @@ -88715,13 +88637,13 @@ and that is in the teeth of the stated wish of these communities. i cannot for the life of me see this is a reasonable attitude on the part of the county council. stew it is not responsive to the local communities and it is totally lacking in democracy. -stewart joins us on the line now good morning mr . +stewart joins us on the line now good morning mr . good morning. you live in south milford i understand one of the i do. the villages concerned. the point you'd like to make. -well er the first one is that er er the mr says that it those people with two mile away from this er tip er will not be affected. +well er the first one is that er er the mr says that it those people with two mile away from this er tip er will not be affected. now most of this tip is in the parish of south milford er so i take it he means he doesn't count those people. and the majority of those have objected are in the area of that two miles. we'll let his answer that. @@ -88730,23 +88652,23 @@ very unlikely if it is properly controlled in terms of deposition of materials o er ha i can imagine what you would say if it was in two miles of your property as to whether these dusts would affect you or not. but apart from that er this area is a flat plane. there's practically nothing between the residence of south milford and the horizon with the exception of this hundred foot mound that will exist. -and i do erm support peter that in my view the er district council and yourselves have not listened and i don't believe the county council are going to listen to the objections of the local community. -john what can you do in the face of of such distrust? +and i do erm support peter that in my view the er district council and yourselves have not listened and i don't believe the county council are going to listen to the objections of the local community. +john what can you do in the face of of such distrust? well i'm i'm very disappointed about that i mean we're listening to the local community we're reporting the local communities views but at the end of day south milford parish council have in fact moderated their views. they, it's always argued that the parish councils are closest to local people, they had an out and out objection from the parish council initially they have subsequently written to me twice in november moderating that position and saying subject to safeguards they they no longer have an outright objection. well stewart's on the parish council aren't you stewart? yes i am. -er yes well that is so this did come through er very very late indeed er in the and the parish council of course are in the situation where they have to cover all eventualities and what er mr is referring to is a suggestion of using a one o six agreement to protect as far as possible the local communities when the tip is erected. +er yes well that is so this did come through er very very late indeed er in the and the parish council of course are in the situation where they have to cover all eventualities and what er mr is referring to is a suggestion of using a one o six agreement to protect as far as possible the local communities when the tip is erected. it didn't change the the actual view of the people in the village. it was the parish council themselves who had to consider things very quickly and go for what they could best endeavour but you c er i can't see how that can be used to nullify the general view of the public of south milford and the other parishes. well i mean i quote from the nineteenth of november letter from the parish council, the parish council fully support the environmental recommendations from the district council. now we all know what the district council view is. the district council view is quite clearly support the application but be tough on the details. to me that means that the parish council have moved qu a long way from their outright objection lodged in the summer. -point there because the the environmental er considerations of the district council are of course those of the environmental health officer and those that is the report which raises considerable er concern about the dust blow problem and the moisture content of the material to be delivered into this tip. +point there because the the environmental er considerations of the district council are of course those of the environmental health officer and those that is the report which raises considerable er concern about the dust blow problem and the moisture content of the material to be delivered into this tip. and that is where the parish council were coming from. -if i can just endorse what stewart was saying the parish council talked to me as their consultant for a while and said look it seems that that with the with the actions of the er county council writing to the secretary of state to preempt the call-in procedures and the attitude of the district council that this thing might well get local planning permission. -can we in the alternative put our case if that is a fait accompli then there must be something for the local communities to be derived from this and therefore we went for protection under one o six agreement as stewart quite rightly refers to and we also went for the dedication of large areas of the resultant heap for landscaping and for public open space. +if i can just endorse what stewart was saying the parish council talked to me as their consultant for a while and said look it seems that that with the with the actions of the er county council writing to the secretary of state to preempt the call-in procedures and the attitude of the district council that this thing might well get local planning permission. +can we in the alternative put our case if that is a fait accompli then there must be something for the local communities to be derived from this and therefore we went for protection under one o six agreement as stewart quite rightly refers to and we also went for the dedication of large areas of the resultant heap for landscaping and for public open space. but that was purely in the alternative to a public inquiry in the first instance with the possibility of alternative means of disposal coming forward and being accepted. and and i don't think the parish council's case has been prejudiced in that instance. it is a perfectly reasonable attitude to adopt in the light of all of the circumstances. @@ -88754,13 +88676,13 @@ john . well er as i say the position of the parish council the fact that there have been so many objections are fully reported in the committee papers today. members will take them into account when they come to a decision. but at the end of the day er my view is that on balance there is a case for this application to go forward. -peter one final question probably to you. +peter one final question probably to you. where can you take your campaign if today's meeting at county hall in about forty minutes which i know you've got to dash off and and get ready for, erm where can you take your campaign, the joint villages action committee's campaign, if erm the meeting today gives the tip at gascoigne woods approval? -well we've heard what edward has had to say and the local communities i'm certain draw great comfort from that and we wait and see whether brussels will exercise its powers, quite legitimately in my view, and and call this in. +well we've heard what edward has had to say and the local communities i'm certain draw great comfort from that and we wait and see whether brussels will exercise its powers, quite legitimately in my view, and and call this in. er in the alternative of course er the local communities have available er the high court action which i've referred to during several discussions with yourselves over the last week or two. erm those are the issues which will have to be very carefully balanced. i would hope however that the committee members at north yorkshire will see that the local feeling is so deep that the project itself cannot be harmed by a public inquiry and they will make er they will take the decisions which will put this application in that direction and send that message very clearly to the secretary of state. -john and so far so far as you're concerned the local people are not going to get that public inquiry are they? +john and so far so far as you're concerned the local people are not going to get that public inquiry are they? well no that's a mem that's a member decision. why? er but i refute that the county council is unsympathetic to local concerns. @@ -88772,45 +88694,44 @@ certainly to the best of my knowledge we have fully complied with all the legisl can you give us any idea of the the time scale of when we might learn that decision? well it will be sent off to the secretary of state in theory he has twenty one days in practice i suspect it will be mid-january at least before we learn. we shall await it with interest. -john thank you very much indeed for answering er everybody's questions this morning. +john thank you very much indeed for answering er everybody's questions this morning. nice to talk to you bye bye . thank you good bye. -that's john the county planning officer for north yorkshire and before that the minerals plan er planning consultant from the protesters group peter . -one final comment comes from er frank from er south milford. +that's john the county planning officer for north yorkshire and before that the minerals plan er planning consultant from the protesters group peter . +one final comment comes from er frank from er south milford. good morning mr . good morning. the point you'd like to make. -er following on er what er stewart said as a member of the parish council i think the feeling er was given by john that the parish council were now against this scheme. +er following on er what er stewart said as a member of the parish council i think the feeling er was given by john that the parish council were now against this scheme. i would just like to quote from a circular that was sent round to every resident in south milford by the parish council. and it says, message to local residents from the parish council. the county planning committee meet on the seventh of december to cons to consider british coal application for colliery waste at gascoigne wood. south milford parish council whilst being totally opposed to the scheme decided in the best interests of their residents to make the following observations to county, and that is where they've built in the safeguards but they are totally opposed to the scheme. what will your action be from a local point of view. -erm i've i've i've asked erm your expert who's who's representing the the village the village's interests peter . +erm i've i've i've asked erm your expert who's who's representing the the village the village's interests peter . whereabouts will you take erm your action personally at a local well obvious local level? -obviously we will be guided by our consultants but this er er view of is er er meeting with er er great success in the villages because obviously er we feel that if there is a public inquiry then we stand a better chance of british coal sticking to the promises made when they had the original planning application and removing all waste by train to suitable sites and there's one at welbeck which is waiting for the material. +obviously we will be guided by our consultants but this er er view of is er er meeting with er er great success in the villages because obviously er we feel that if there is a public inquiry then we stand a better chance of british coal sticking to the promises made when they had the original planning application and removing all waste by train to suitable sites and there's one at welbeck which is waiting for the material. and thank and that's what we want to happen. -frank thank you very much indeed for joining us on the programme this morning. +frank thank you very much indeed for joining us on the programme this morning. thank you good morning . thank you t , good morning to you sir. formal just how it should be on the b b c thank you very much indeed to everybody erm joining in that debate. -and i'm not sure that personally i'm put my hands up and say that i'd understand all the issues but i understand some of the basic principles and i'm beginning to understand er some of the complexities of a a planning issue like this. -i hope you enjoyed that discussion i mean well first of all if you live in the selby area it's been of relevance to you and you've managed to hear what both sides are saying but i i hope even if you don't live in the selby area it's er you've er found it as fascinating as i have to hear the pros and cons of such a complex issue. +and i'm not sure that personally i'm put my hands up and say that i'd understand all the issues but i understand some of the basic principles and i'm beginning to understand er some of the complexities of a a planning issue like this. +i hope you enjoyed that discussion i mean well first of all if you live in the selby area it's been of relevance to you and you've managed to hear what both sides are saying but i i hope even if you don't live in the selby area it's er you've er found it as fascinating as i have to hear the pros and cons of such a complex issue. erm a reminder to you that the lines will open at a quarter to nine on erm york six four one six four one tomorrow morning if er you have points you'd like to make. we've still got er er a couple of calls i think to come before the end of er this morning's programme on the subject of erm, i don't know whether it's life imprisonment or er on er on divorce. we'll find out in a moment or twos time. there's a moment before the traffic and travel news now for me to remind you that erm if you're the chairman or the secretary or whatever it happens to be of a particular group whether it be erm the local amateur dramatics society or er a north yorkshire charity and you'd like the opportunity to have some prime time publicity for what you're doing, particularly in the run-up to the christmas period - when you go to your mum's tomorrow, or when we go out tomorrow we'll take it with us, in case we meet anybody i can be taping cos i can get as many people as i like, when you go up to ken's take it with you, put it on your pocket, but then say to them, if you object we won't do it. i'm not i've got to get as many people as i can. yeah. the tape is already in that -where's that that man's ever so nervous ain't he? +where's that that man's ever so nervous ain't he? have you got it on? yeah. is it on? @@ -88825,18 +88746,18 @@ well i ain't very happy, oh what's happen then? oh, what's don't know what? -she said i don't know what your there's a missing, so i it said mr g , so dad said why does it say mr and er, she said it's a court order she said ,court order, she said er that has been in the yard -no , so he said erm,when i opened it court order, i said well i don't know what yours is i said but it's nothing to do with this, i said this is about that so when i opened the other one i remember then that when they originally built that court order bit he give me one cheque for sixty two quid and one for sixty nine +she said i don't know what your there's a missing, so i it said mr g , so dad said why does it say mr and er, she said it's a court order she said ,court order, she said er that has been in the yard +no , so he said erm,when i opened it court order, i said well i don't know what yours is i said but it's nothing to do with this, i said this is about that so when i opened the other one i remember then that when they originally built that court order bit he give me one cheque for sixty two quid and one for sixty nine yeah and the two court orders, they, they'd had one court one cheque and one for the other yeah -so they both about the same thing, he's been sitting there worried all day, he's +so they both about the same thing, he's been sitting there worried all day, he's oh no yeah,so happy today, so is that what she said? he's been sitting there stewing all day over that oh she should of, why they addressed to you then? -well one was sent to mr g +well one was sent to mr g did you check to see if that was going? oh yeah it is and the other one said mr @@ -88845,15 +88766,15 @@ well she thought don't she get herself in a yeah tiswas -it's all cor dear +it's all cor dear does she -yeah +yeah oh what a was it good? cor yeah, in , ever so good. good i tell me self just done that, i haven't even boiled the kettle silly me. -i don't know what i doing. +i don't know what i doing. no. hurry up jonathan pardon? @@ -88862,17 +88783,17 @@ i'm coming oh i , here -cor great, i just and they're doing tag teams, but the tag teams have joined up +cor great, i just and they're doing tag teams, but the tag teams have joined up i don't know in the tag teams, so there's a, but at the moment four against two you look marvellous cor yeah is it? -well they haven't actually, haven't got or anything they just use their body. +well they haven't actually, haven't got or anything they just use their body. oh yeah. -yeah, but he's the only one that really it's sort or -just say, ok take them out, how he kills them when they're, when the picks them up and throws them down again -where did matthew get it then? +yeah, but he's the only one that really it's sort or +just say, ok take them out, how he kills them when they're, when the picks them up and throws them down again +where did matthew get it then? oh i thought it jonathan are you going to start your tea please? @@ -88881,7 +88802,7 @@ it's gonna get cold no, no well let me -well it's going to the not me. +well it's going to the not me. the you know what it is i bet they're pruning in the field could well be, yes. @@ -88893,11 +88814,11 @@ the week well you won't get that will you? eh? why haven't you been getting on very well then? -i suppose you get some weeks like that when you don't did miss get on to you then? -no +i suppose you get some weeks like that when you don't did miss get on to you then? +no did you get anything on the oh i forget, forgot to get it -well it must be cos i, i put salt on it, i thought myself you got the salt and have some more salt +well it must be cos i, i put salt on it, i thought myself you got the salt and have some more salt strong. how did you get on at football? we won. @@ -88905,10 +88826,10 @@ how many? erm two, two, one, did they all behave? yeah. -i know they are did luke play? +i know they are did luke play? yeah oh, is that what's upset you this week? -no i forgot about it till now +no i forgot about it till now let that upset you. i not in then is he? @@ -88917,19 +88838,19 @@ there for you not for him. no, i said he could borrow them, cos he's in the team. well why didn't he use yours and , i don't mind, but -every week -i didn't matthew's football? +every week +i didn't matthew's football? steven oh -ball's up the other end he just sits there on the floor, so +ball's up the other end he just sits there on the floor, so but you're not that interested in football well yeah. -i'll tell you what +i'll tell you what it's alright,what else did you can i have a yeah did she realize that the two would you have -old mrs +old mrs well she said about two spoonfuls . did you get many chips today jonathan from school? did you? @@ -88941,27 +88862,27 @@ no, why was that? had to wait for james, i hadn't noticed he'd gone past what -mm, he'd gone past +mm, he'd gone past he must be -now these hope there +now these hope there what it's a what? no yeah, can't understand what you're saying. -we were saying today that the was saying today that +we were saying today that the was saying today that what yeah,but he said he'd tell us he takes eleven tablets a day eleven -yeah, but apparently he's anti-depressant also he said, he said that they +yeah, but apparently he's anti-depressant also he said, he said that they them for? -god knows and erm +god knows and erm forgot to put the sugar in. -yeah, cliff was saying that er, he said all yeah, he said he's er he goes through the if, if you're not sort of paying attention to him you +yeah, cliff was saying that er, he said all yeah, he said he's er he goes through the if, if you're not sort of paying attention to him you what you mean? -well if you sort of leave him out of a conversation, he goes a bit funny, he storms off, i think i had noticed a couple of times that he has, and you see what happens is he sits there +well if you sort of leave him out of a conversation, he goes a bit funny, he storms off, i think i had noticed a couple of times that he has, and you see what happens is he sits there seems a bit -well he sits there talking at dinner times well then when she goes +well he sits there talking at dinner times well then when she goes when she goes he's erm quick alright, alright @@ -88969,18 +88890,18 @@ cor when she goes, yeah she goes any more bread -so he sits there erm, and you know you involve in our conversation, but he sits there talking to her and then he sort of feels out of it and then he storms off +so he sits there erm, and you know you involve in our conversation, but he sits there talking to her and then he sort of feels out of it and then he storms off oh a bit silly ain't it? they actually came and put his oh -oh -well it's got, erm mike in it +oh +well it's got, erm mike in it oh yeah do you want some of those might as well -i wait on you lad, left, right and centre i do who's washing up tonight? -you must be joking you must be joking, wish +i wait on you lad, left, right and centre i do who's washing up tonight? +you must be joking you must be joking, wish wish i did huh, dad said he wished he did erm @@ -89007,14 +88928,14 @@ oh yeah, have you got strawberry? pardon? have you got any strawberry? yeah, -i'll have i'll have blackcurrant then i'll have strawberry +i'll have i'll have blackcurrant then i'll have strawberry oh i'm not messing about with that you'll like this stuff well do you like wrestling? oh yeah, i didn't mind wrestling but i don't like it is wrestling -yeah but it's that. +yeah but it's that. oh cos it, w w f, paul hogan used to be the champion oh @@ -89027,44 +88948,44 @@ what? i've done them all strawberry, all blackberry i mean is that alright? yeah -cor, that's lovely, great that whatever was you and john playing at? +cor, that's lovely, great that whatever was you and john playing at? when? dinner time at school what with christopher? oh why's that? i don't know, said he . what did he want -only just to needs to know what goes into +only just to needs to know what goes into did no, no, i -yeah who called it up then? +yeah who called it up then? what? -the other day christopher was talking talking +the other day christopher was talking talking yeah christopher out the room he didn't he did -erm, some boys name son of , er matt i think, and er he'd got +erm, some boys name son of , er matt i think, and er he'd got what they do fall off the back of a lorry? -huh, it was a bloody gardener +huh, it was a bloody gardener expensive one that i've never heard -i've never heard of it before well it +i've never heard of it before well it forty nine, ninety five yeah so he said erm, like a fiver, oh -so i said well said i've never heard of it, he said well you've heard of quartz haven't you? +so i said well said i've never heard of it, he said well you've heard of quartz haven't you? what's that got to do with it? quartz? -yeah, what's that got to do with it i said i, you know,just never heard of that well there you are then, +yeah, what's that got to do with it i said i, you know,just never heard of that well there you are then, no, be wasting my time oh -no, he's got a face and a black sort of leather strap +no, he's got a face and a black sort of leather strap oh that will be -but he didn't look -what an actual inside it. -inside it, it's like a flat blue sort of velvet suede wallet but i said he +but he didn't look +what an actual inside it. +inside it, it's like a flat blue sort of velvet suede wallet but i said he oh i said well why no i wouldn't, too right @@ -89072,7 +88993,7 @@ fair enough he said you should be yes. i go and get you some don't worry -i was on about the necklace and you said it was a bit pricey +i was on about the necklace and you said it was a bit pricey yeah there's another twenty five per cent off if you go in there tomorrow, so how much would that be? i don't know how much it was @@ -89088,7 +89009,7 @@ we'll do that tomorrow what is it? when you gonna do that? well we said we was going up to wisbech. -no she ain't, cos she ain't coming down here for the and i told her that we would be nipping to town to so we can do it then when she ain't with me,the offer's only on till tomorrow. +no she ain't, cos she ain't coming down here for the and i told her that we would be nipping to town to so we can do it then when she ain't with me,the offer's only on till tomorrow. , pardon? who's the friend? who's what friend? @@ -89096,25 +89017,25 @@ from me, you and jonathan oh, she's samuels oh -shall we get the er, i can't find the, can we nip into theydon bois, how we and b +shall we get the er, i can't find the, can we nip into theydon bois, how we and b you told me that was westgate last time i will if he works into him. she wouldn't know which one wanted. well she would if you told her, wouldn't she? i'm sure she would. -i don't actually know what they all look at have a look. +i don't actually know what they all look at have a look. well -hey, if we go over and toys and get my, my thing tested i can have a look at them, see which one +hey, if we go over and toys and get my, my thing tested i can have a look at them, see which one that's right, alright? not very far away is it? -yeah we had this morning. +yeah we had this morning. no. i don't know how you do that? do what? -eat erm fruit, and the bread and butter together, i can't bear that bear that. +eat erm fruit, and the bread and butter together, i can't bear that bear that. what's wrong with it? well i don't think it's very nice. -wouldn't they at school mum, they and everybody goes, er what's that? +wouldn't they at school mum, they and everybody goes, er what's that? what was it? well sure it weren't that @@ -89126,9 +89047,9 @@ not every day, what you had at school. yeah, that day. oh you mean perhaps i'd cooked jacket potatoes and you had jacket potatoes at school? -no, you know we had a and b +no, you know we had a and b oh yes -yeah, well on a it was egg, bacon, and beans and chips and on b i can't remember but a, i thought, everybody goes er we've never had that before +yeah, well on a it was egg, bacon, and beans and chips and on b i can't remember but a, i thought, everybody goes er we've never had that before , er what's that? well what was it? it was that. @@ -89137,15 +89058,15 @@ i've just told you , egg and bacon chips and beans and we we had it at home as well -yeah, we had it at +yeah, we had it at oh i see what you mean what did the other children have? i was the only one how come you got it on your own then? no, everybody had it at school it was the choice -i think it it was something anyway that we had popular something like that. -vegetarians there are people who are aren't they? +i think it it was something anyway that we had popular something like that. +vegetarians there are people who are aren't they? bloody cholesterol oh they, they've never had them at school they have erm scrambled egg, they never have a proper egg you know why don't you? @@ -89170,55 +89091,55 @@ scotch egg? yeah, that's it. well you wouldn't like that surely, cos you don't like sausages. they're not sausages. -of course it has, that's what it is, it's got it's got sausage round it, and it's got +of course it has, that's what it is, it's got it's got sausage round it, and it's got oh no, i don't i don't mean the eggs,the inside, cos, but on the outside, the inside tastes lovely. she erm, she's behind the till oh yeah -when they today she's, you could see she was miles away, so i said, well i don't know what i said to ivan, i said something to her about sort of did you +when they today she's, you could see she was miles away, so i said, well i don't know what i said to ivan, i said something to her about sort of did you yeah -so i said miles away, -oh she said i'm ever so sorry i was miles away, i said yeah we've just said that, i said you never even heard us, so i said what you, you can't understand why you pay too much tax, she said no i know why i pay too much tax she said but more she said i used to be in business she said and i'm on basic rate of tax, so i said yeah i've had some of that, so she said what basic rate of tax, i said yeah where i've come so , it's a funny thing she said, i was saying to carol the other day, she said erm, she said what a difference them blokes you work with, so i said yeah, i said i'm always saying that about these so she said oh she said er +so i said miles away, +oh she said i'm ever so sorry i was miles away, i said yeah we've just said that, i said you never even heard us, so i said what you, you can't understand why you pay too much tax, she said no i know why i pay too much tax she said but more she said i used to be in business she said and i'm on basic rate of tax, so i said yeah i've had some of that, so she said what basic rate of tax, i said yeah where i've come so , it's a funny thing she said, i was saying to carol the other day, she said erm, she said what a difference them blokes you work with, so i said yeah, i said i'm always saying that about these so she said oh she said er well i hope you are different -they they they can't wait to get into said it's like a sort of release valve +they they they can't wait to get into said it's like a sort of release valve what you mean? -well i don't know, i suppose they sort of well, they the same time paint work and they go thundering down the corridor and go charging in there and, oh back at training on there you know come on, come on we've only got half an hour +well i don't know, i suppose they sort of well, they the same time paint work and they go thundering down the corridor and go charging in there and, oh back at training on there you know come on, come on we've only got half an hour mummy, what's do you like best, them or these? -them or these, erm erm brown one perhaps +them or these, erm erm brown one perhaps this one? yeah i mean what's your i don't know what they're called love, i don't know what they're called jonathan yeah, but what sort jonathan is a weird child at times -cos they're ten p each and they're fifty p each +cos they're ten p each and they're fifty p each well the fifty p ones look better i must admit -no, nor would i -you can get four of these +no, nor would i +you can get four of these six you can get five of these and one of these i'm watching the news in a little while you can get five of these -what you put that somebody please +what you put that somebody please yeah i'll do me ironing perhaps in the morning -oh you know what i watched? +oh you know what i watched? no -oh was on today's on quarter to six. +oh was on today's on quarter to six. oh on please jonathan oh no -yes, you've got all tomorrow to watch that, i should save it wouldn't you dear? +yes, you've got all tomorrow to watch that, i should save it wouldn't you dear? yeah jonathan what about tidying yourself up you just have out, yeah. -well yeah, i clean the up with +well yeah, i clean the up with well she said she'd be back just after six. yeah, oh, she got and now i've got to go over the sierra i, i've got a sierra coming here. -yeah, but she'll be back at six she said you know +yeah, but she'll be back at six she said you know yeah. -so we're not at john tonight then have we? +so we're not at john tonight then have we? no. what was i gonna say to you? here you are @@ -89226,13 +89147,13 @@ well yeah, and i, it's a bit short notice keep can keep cancel . it's not very fair is it? well i don't think so, did you put that tape in right, i bet you did tape -oh it's oh, so what +oh it's oh, so what erm so what's ivan, happened about ivan's little boy then? or was it his little girl? no, boy, not didn't he have an asthma attack then? -they sent him home from school or something, send him straight home from school and er, don't know i suppose take him to hospital today and then, i assume they've got to bring him home and he said oh no he said you haven't got to take me home he said cos the boy's got to be from school, come round tomorrow and pick you up +they sent him home from school or something, send him straight home from school and er, don't know i suppose take him to hospital today and then, i assume they've got to bring him home and he said oh no he said you haven't got to take me home he said cos the boy's got to be from school, come round tomorrow and pick you up did he actually have an asthma attack then? yeah, in hospital does the other one stopped having it now then asthma? @@ -89243,37 +89164,37 @@ how i just what? what? -charlie was quibbling about his wages coming through +charlie was quibbling about his wages coming through yeah well what's he dunno -he's got a for forty five grand +he's got a for forty five grand you know what they're like -i don't know where he was , he's got a cheap one and a +i don't know where he was , he's got a cheap one and a i told him the price when he ordered them yeah, yeah, well he must of thought that and he knows he's not like you doing for money, cos i shan't be very pleased -that's right +that's right who's he working for now then, double glazing again? still don't know i reckon er when it is yeah, however did they employ him? he's had more jobs than i've had hot dinners -they've seen through and they realize that all these wasting. -well you, that van's always up there. +they've seen through and they realize that all these wasting. +well you, that van's always up there. yeah. think they go round travelling then like travelling salesman or something well i don't know -they've got a place down at markets ain't they? -i didn't think they were in a big way -no idea, the er i +they've got a place down at markets ain't they? +i didn't think they were in a big way +no idea, the er i who's being barred? -yeah, well with the on the van as well, so he try and put a bit more you know,and they say well they do the same, they used to have a -well what about the mr then? +yeah, well with the on the van as well, so he try and put a bit more you know,and they say well they do the same, they used to have a +well what about the mr then? well yeah sort of erm do you believe -yeah, a decision that we all erm just think what we generally use through the day. +yeah, a decision that we all erm just think what we generally use through the day. oh. so oh @@ -89282,35 +89203,35 @@ yeah. the one thing i thought we ain't got, but, what? i said -yeah, i said i'd up here tomorrow didn't i? -erm,appar apparently oh percy +yeah, i said i'd up here tomorrow didn't i? +erm,appar apparently oh percy what's he got now? -he's sold that big and he's got this now, a cavalier, what they say they want to do -surely ain't got any money -the oldest, amazing that he was on the insurance, it had gone up, and the eighty seven per cent +he's sold that big and he's got this now, a cavalier, what they say they want to do +surely ain't got any money +the oldest, amazing that he was on the insurance, it had gone up, and the eighty seven per cent why? well all insurances have this year because they said the joy riding kids are flying around -that's not fair though is it on people, you know, people through that +that's not fair though is it on people, you know, people through that , no, they -that's what i was thinking about like that girl you know, typical, about that car +that's what i was thinking about like that girl you know, typical, about that car what car? what girl? what car? about the er, orion oh i -did you actually put down on that form? +did you actually put down on that form? yeah. oh, but you didn't -well the reason they caught him was cos they've got just flashed him through the computers as and find out what anyway,put it down they then turn round say oh well, you know whatever they're +well the reason they caught him was cos they've got just flashed him through the computers as and find out what anyway,put it down they then turn round say oh well, you know whatever they're but susan was saying she can't see how one thing's got anything to do with the other, she didn't go joy riding -susan was she? +susan was she? she was saying she wouldn't let it rest. she ain't got -that's what i said, well we've got, that'll be in her -it seems like she's well that's fair enough, cos that's customer's she was paying about thirty five pound every time and they go through, she perhaps think twice about doing it, she said oh well you know i've got that's the end of it so, +that's what i said, well we've got, that'll be in her +it seems like she's well that's fair enough, cos that's customer's she was paying about thirty five pound every time and they go through, she perhaps think twice about doing it, she said oh well you know i've got that's the end of it so, yeah, -that's fair enough i said a thing. -oh yeah, that's right, yeah but odd really +that's fair enough i said a thing. +oh yeah, that's right, yeah but odd really that, that bloke has got, she said if that was me i'd write to the chief constable about it well they wrote to the chief constable yeah, and what happened they lost the letter @@ -89320,20 +89241,20 @@ no. what's the time, twenty past two, why? i'm -well it later anyway no. -jonathan, jonathan, dad wants to watch the news in a minute please, so hurry up and change it over you'd think they'd save that you don't know, i wouldn't be surprised you will well that's marvellous isn't it? +well it later anyway no. +jonathan, jonathan, dad wants to watch the news in a minute please, so hurry up and change it over you'd think they'd save that you don't know, i wouldn't be surprised you will well that's marvellous isn't it? i said i think we're gonna have to start still doing what we said, erm, getting the money beforehand i think. you know it's ridiculous isn't it? well you don't bleeding know whether them other people turned up do you? did your mum take it to let you know? no. -oh sarah should have her roof on by this week did you hear what i said? +oh sarah should have her roof on by this week did you hear what i said? pardon? sarah should have her roof on this weekend. a roof? they're soon gonna put the roof on, yeah, soon, soon it -i, i was there -no, but as soon as they've got their thingy in the they should be off. +i, i was there +no, but as soon as they've got their thingy in the they should be off. yeah. they've got someone standby to do it or something. oh yeah. @@ -89342,7 +89263,7 @@ yeah all covered in yeah. well i would have thought so anyway. -oh you can't watch the video. +oh you can't watch the video. why's that? cause martin took it back. oh never mind. @@ -89353,7 +89274,7 @@ he gets brain damage nearly. oh i see . well that sounds good then. his neck gets broken. -he said he gets brain damage i said well that sounds good then . +he said he gets brain damage i said well that sounds good then . nearly. cos can you just put the freezer stuff up? @@ -89362,31 +89283,31 @@ hasn't it turned cold? turns him over and they well you should have turned the heating on. oh no i'm not cold in here. -i mean it's cold -and he's up in the air, like this nanny +i mean it's cold +and he's up in the air, like this nanny mm. -and he and he lands on the metal chair. +and he and he lands on the metal chair. i got a bad eye. ooh. yeah? -well i had mrs in this morning she had a tooth out this morning and he broke it and he tried to get the rest out you know using a special instrument and he twisted it and a fragment of the tooth come off and hit me straight in the eye. +well i had mrs in this morning she had a tooth out this morning and he broke it and he tried to get the rest out you know using a special instrument and he twisted it and a fragment of the tooth come off and hit me straight in the eye. ooh. -so i've got i've got a little pinprick in me eye. +so i've got i've got a little pinprick in me eye. what'll happen then -so erm i'm just hoping i'm not gonna get an infection in it cos infection in it if i get blood in me eye. +so erm i'm just hoping i'm not gonna get an infection in it cos infection in it if i get blood in me eye. yeah. it's ever so sore. do you like profiteroles sue? who? profiteroles. yes. -i got you know we usually have one of them black forest gateaux? +i got you know we usually have one of them black forest gateaux? i got that instead. oh yeah, that looks nice. mum'd like that. -well i thought +well i thought what have you got in your little side pots? -oh i like if i'd have known you were going i'd have got you to get me the nut ones. +oh i like if i'd have known you were going i'd have got you to get me the nut ones. i can't never get them from lynn. oh they had the hazelnut ones. yeah they're the ones i like. @@ -89414,16 +89335,16 @@ it is hard isn't it, there? i'll just put these in here. aah! pass me your mum's book. -it hurts when you. +it hurts when you. pass your mum's book. oh she got that from gateway. is that where you've been? this lot cost eighty quid. -and we we ain't got any drink in it. +and we we ain't got any drink in it. i know. it doesn't surprise me. -only we got a that one you know if anybody wants some wine. -that's all jonathan go and see what your dad's calling. +only we got a that one you know if anybody wants some wine. +that's all jonathan go and see what your dad's calling. what? go to him, don't shout. what? @@ -89431,11 +89352,11 @@ did you say something? i've still got your bottle of champagne in there susan. we can have it christmas time. erm -i said how much did you say it was? -oh no, it was ninety something not eighty something. -when you said that i thought -yeah but we had we had a we had -what er who's in charge of a cup of coffee in there? +i said how much did you say it was? +oh no, it was ninety something not eighty something. +when you said that i thought +yeah but we had we had a we had +what er who's in charge of a cup of coffee in there? eighty pound i thought susan had got the kettle on so i unpacked these. i have ju i don't know if it's got any water in, i have only just boiled it. @@ -89444,37 +89365,37 @@ see i have got some things for christmas. mm i know i've got noreen i have got noreen's stuff under that cupboard you know i have and i've got all loads of stuff in there haven't i? i suddenly -and i just suddenly remembered i've left me windows open one of my bedroom windows open . -do you my toy nanny? -oh, i need them what darling? -look and he can go raaa raaa +and i just suddenly remembered i've left me windows open one of my bedroom windows open . +do you my toy nanny? +oh, i need them what darling? +look and he can go raaa raaa we did our ordinary shopping as well in with this though. yeah. yeah. -look, he can go that and he can go raaa raaa +look, he can go that and he can go raaa raaa your money went in the bank at half past nine on friday. did it? -my name is mr +my name is mr yeah cos a girl at work took it. i got a bloody letter bloody the next morning with unpaid thirty five quid on it. believe it or not -sixteen hundred and fifty +sixteen hundred and fifty what did you say well i've already excuse me jonathan, let me just dunno. sixteen hundred and fifty quid. -bloody -well that no geoff that definitely went in. +bloody +well that no geoff that definitely went in. that cash -oh no i don't i mean i don't say +oh no i don't i mean i don't say no but what i'm saying is that went in before twelve o'clock. yeah but what they're saying is it's gotta be in the night before so that when they come in that next morning -oh well they don't know till half past nine. -no, what they mean is they if it's put in on a thursday so it's there so when they, whatever they get in on a friday they can pay out then but if it's paid in on a friday then +oh well they don't know till half past nine. +no, what they mean is they if it's put in on a thursday so it's there so when they, whatever they get in on a friday they can pay out then but if it's paid in on a friday then ah! what? -they won't pay out on on a friday. +they won't pay out on on a friday. so cor. can't i have this? @@ -89482,19 +89403,19 @@ load of rubbish. you got that's what we think. so they didn't pay sixteen fifty and that's costing us thirty five quid. -quid yeah. +quid yeah. they really the sooner we get away from that bloody bank the better. they're all the same though. no different. yeah but -barclays, they changed from barclays to lloyds and they just +barclays, they changed from barclays to lloyds and they just no i mean the building society, they don't do that do they? well no, the building society won't run a business like that,. -soon as they what you're doing they you down. -hey nanny see this, this jumper +soon as they what you're doing they you down. +hey nanny see this, this jumper i don't think that heater's turned on is it? -no i didn't +no i didn't when he's mad, he grabs at it like that and whips it is that heater turned on? jonathan put it on. @@ -89504,11 +89425,11 @@ no, it's not. i didn't think it was on. i didn't turn it on there, it weren't turned on at all. i didn't sleep very well again last night, i dunno. -i think it's the +i think it's the yeah. where do you get your cake from,superkey yeah. -i see that in there the other day and i wondered were them cards alright for you? +i see that in there the other day and i wondered were them cards alright for you? yeah, they were brilliant! i've got more cards. can you? @@ -89521,7 +89442,7 @@ that's up this corner behind me. that is innit? yeah well what you've gotta do is put a bowl of vinegar down there. i'll spray vinegar in there. -yeah well put a bowl in there and let it stand and that and that'll erm go into the vinegar. +yeah well put a bowl in there and let it stand and that and that'll erm go into the vinegar. you ought'a got some of that cat litter stuff. what for? you can get some spray that you put on your cat litter tray to deodorize it. @@ -89532,8 +89453,8 @@ did you do that? yeah. get out the way. what? -what jonathan! -just go and sit in the room or do something while i just do this. +what jonathan! +just go and sit in the room or do something while i just do this. they've all gotta go upstairs. do what? you can write my cards out for me if you like. @@ -89553,17 +89474,17 @@ he's so afraid he thought he was missing something look. jonathan. that's why he what? -thought you send you out why you sent him out. +thought you send you out why you sent him out. he thought he was going to miss something. -put them under the you know in the erm airing cupboard. -and here you are, look and that can go in the toilet for mummy. +put them under the you know in the erm airing cupboard. +and here you are, look and that can go in the toilet for mummy. there's a couple in here that's suitable for children though, look. look. yeah i know some of them are more suitable. look. yeah well, he can have the ones what are suitable for him. -oh they're nice car , oh there's a nice one with on it. +oh they're nice car , oh there's a nice one with on it. look oh yeah. i ain't very keen on cards with pheasants. @@ -89573,15 +89494,15 @@ june. what? i've seen that card before. so've i. -now these have gotta go in the freezer geoff. +now these have gotta go in the freezer geoff. would you just do it then i'll make you a cup of coffee. oh june! geoff i'll do it. -june ah! +june ah! look at this geoff. look at that june. -is that what you're having for your tea. +is that what you're having for your tea. oh yeah. june. yes. @@ -89593,7 +89514,7 @@ look. and that can go in the freezer, what?aah. and these? and these? -and these and these, and these. +and these and these, and these. that's an unusual card. erm have i got one set ou cos i was gonna leave one set out case you wanted yeah i got one set @@ -89606,10 +89527,10 @@ what's that mate? all those christmas puddings. oh yeah. think they're quite good. -i only looked, i did take quickly a look at them but, you know i thought oh i ain't got i didn't really have time to mess about for long you know. +i only looked, i did take quickly a look at them but, you know i thought oh i ain't got i didn't really have time to mess about for long you know. they're a nice size card as well. yeah they're not bad for that. -it says family selection so that's what it means well for adults and children. +it says family selection so that's what it means well for adults and children. two packs is enough don't you? is it? what? @@ -89618,12 +89539,12 @@ we're busy this morning. we had five er extra erm were over this morning. yeah? cos we were supposed to be on the rota. -mr 's only doing it today so i ain't gotta go in tomorrow. +mr 's only doing it today so i ain't gotta go in tomorrow. oh. . -and mrs gives out brandy though don't she? -she don't pay me got another pack of peanuts so i have got a few that few, but you don't need any old bag do you? -see when i don't go shopping i don't get all these i think i've read that one. +and mrs gives out brandy though don't she? +she don't pay me got another pack of peanuts so i have got a few that few, but you don't need any old bag do you? +see when i don't go shopping i don't get all these i think i've read that one. see a pen floating about here somewhere? yeah there is a few about here somewhere. wait a minute i'll just get this done then i'll make you another . @@ -89633,10 +89554,10 @@ didn't they? no. oh! was you disappointed? -yeah, cos i was gonna say take the name and address and get you to ring it back . +yeah, cos i was gonna say take the name and address and get you to ring it back . that don't take long to unpack it really, does it? i've got that much cupboard full now, i can't get it all in look. -yeah it do, it full. +yeah it do, it full. where do you get that lipstick from over there? that's a nice colour. which one? @@ -89653,18 +89574,18 @@ oh they've got that paper in here. and those christmas cards. there's a good film on tonight sue. jaws. -what's erm something up to jaws innit or something? +what's erm something up to jaws innit or something? mm. i'd like to see it. -how how long does for june? +how how long does for june? what? he didn't actually say. oh. till, i suppose till the same time tomorrow i suppose. he didn't actually say. -er christmas cards for erm send to madeleine . +er christmas cards for erm send to madeleine . to madeleine for some -yeah cos it don't get there +yeah cos it don't get there you ought'a got mum to got your dishcloths and that cheap like. she'd get about s five for a pound. i don't know what they were. @@ -89688,18 +89609,18 @@ i hope he's putting them on hangers. sat here and i thought what i whatever am i gonna do? and i thought oh i know i'll have a look and see if i how long you been here? -about five ten minutes most. +about five ten minutes most. only oh! i didn't get finished work till, well i didn't get finished work till about quarter to two. -and then mr erm oh let me watch a queen video. +and then mr erm oh let me watch a queen video. he told me he didn't get in the football team. yeah. -well mr said he hadn't been, sort of erm himself all week. +well mr said he hadn't been, sort of erm himself all week. i wondered if that was hurting a little bit. what, cos he didn't get in the football team? yeah could have been. -well, did anybody else get in then who he who he didn't ? +well, did anybody else get in then who he who he didn't ? who got in then of his mates? all his mates got all his mates. @@ -89707,11 +89628,11 @@ oh dear. so i think probably that's what it was, but i don't know. well you see well luke's only reserve. -don't think jonathan jonathan wouldn't have minded if he was in a reserve, you know? +don't think jonathan jonathan wouldn't have minded if he was in a reserve, you know? ain't he very good at football really then? well no not really sue. -well they can't pick him just because they like him. -no not cos they like him you know. +well they can't pick him just because they like him. +no not cos they like him you know. you can't do that can you? well no er and he didn't seem that bothered anyway. right. @@ -89720,20 +89641,20 @@ nothing. do you want them? yeah i'll have them for work. well you can take them if you like. -mr you see. -i'll have my tea then i'll shoot off to -i to make one. +mr you see. +i'll have my tea then i'll shoot off to +i to make one. do you want another one sue? yeah if you like. i'll have a cup of tea, i don't want coffee. -mr give me coffee this morning. +mr give me coffee this morning. just got to get . where's me other box of cards? down here. let's put them in there then i can put them upstairs. you can write them for me when . oh . -you're not you know you like writing them. +you're not you know you like writing them. oh. look at my bruise. that's now going. @@ -89772,8 +89693,8 @@ yeah well mum had to go you drunk it. upstairs quick, didn't i jonathan? is that what you wanted? -so i got my i got my first christmas present. -yeah, and stuff on there what belongs to you please. +so i got my i got my first christmas present. +yeah, and stuff on there what belongs to you please. who's is that? yours. where? @@ -89783,50 +89704,50 @@ the packet . and your transformer. what ? just wash it . -oh yeah we're prams and toys to have his transformer checked. +oh yeah we're prams and toys to have his transformer checked. what transformer? -on that you know that racing track? +on that you know that racing track? the transformer's had it. -i said and he's he's only played with it about six or seven times so we're gonna she told us to write to hornby's about it. +i said and he's he's only played with it about six or seven times so we're gonna she told us to write to hornby's about it. weren't even a flicker out of it. -she said there isn't a flicker. +she said there isn't a flicker. absolutely dead. -well +well she said it's not -jonathan's getting taller cos his tracksuit looks er short. +jonathan's getting taller cos his tracksuit looks er short. i've just been yeah. watching the queen video june. have you? -well mr had it. +well mr had it. well he's videoed it cos that was on telly the other night weren't it? why don't why don't you get out the way? you're upsetting him june. well every time i go to do something susan i have to keep walking round him. why don't you play that side if he wants i want that. -and i want +and i want can you just put that orangejuice somewhere for me please. it's on the floor mum. erm -well i don't want everybody to start well i got it for christmas really. -i don't want although it don't really matter i suppose. +well i don't want everybody to start well i got it for christmas really. +i don't want although it don't really matter i suppose. just put it on top . he's the one i really wanted. -i said i said well now someone can buy him the other one for christmas. +i said i said well now someone can buy him the other one for christmas. he's got one which one has he got then? -i couldn't get ultimate warrior i probably +i couldn't get ultimate warrior i probably well you can save something on here look. -wrestling save the world wrestling premiums. +wrestling save the world wrestling premiums. what's that mean? i dunno. i was up before geoff this morning see. yeah you said. you are a clever boy aren't you? -honky tonk man jonathan . -don't you want hacksaw jim dougan +honky tonk man jonathan . +don't you want hacksaw jim dougan mm duggan. d d dougan . @@ -89837,7 +89758,7 @@ he's quick. he's on that film. was he? yeah. -he's erm +he's erm hasn't he got lovely teeth? four pounds thirty! good gracious. @@ -89847,16 +89768,16 @@ yeah well only cos matthew told him they were. no, i don't think they're as cheap as that. you'll have to write that one down june and tell mum. in case what ?in case tam wants to get him something. -i was saying big i think. +i was saying big i think. bloody peerage for him. -and he said that er he's had a do with erm joycie. +and he said that er he's had a do with erm joycie. sold her as what? -well he's sold her a set of patio doors and told them they'd be sort of six to eight weeks delivery. -meanwhile mo smashes out the hole in the corner of the house sort of thing where they're gonna go and they ain't there. +well he's sold her a set of patio doors and told them they'd be sort of six to eight weeks delivery. +meanwhile mo smashes out the hole in the corner of the house sort of thing where they're gonna go and they ain't there. he said and i told you he said six to eight weeks he said. why smash the hole in the corner of your house? -cos she was on the phone crying that er she's got a hole in the side of her house sort of thing . +cos she was on the phone crying that er she's got a hole in the side of her house sort of thing . well i should think she has. it's cold what in morris in their own home? @@ -89866,29 +89787,29 @@ yeah. well silly old fool . well that's like her. she wouldn't take no notice. -oh and erm he reckon that he's, he's had a big do with erm +oh and erm he reckon that he's, he's had a big do with erm pat?? brian. yeah. brian, no yeah brian. -he said er we had a big hoo hah he said er i borrowed some money off him he said some time ago to do something with and i hadn't got the money he said and when i sold the plot of land he said i paid him back what i owed him cos borrow the money. -he said now he's telling everybody he said that er i ain't ever paid him and i still owe him the money. +he said er we had a big hoo hah he said er i borrowed some money off him he said some time ago to do something with and i hadn't got the money he said and when i sold the plot of land he said i paid him back what i owed him cos borrow the money. +he said now he's telling everybody he said that er i ain't ever paid him and i still owe him the money. i wouldn't be surprised if he does. -so i said no -let's face it geoff he ain't paid you. +so i said no +let's face it geoff he ain't paid you. no. do you know he rang twice last twenty nine thousand he reckons he sold that plot for. geoff had to get up and down last night to pick him up. he had the bloody gall to i had to get out of bed. -ring me today and say that's got diarrhoea, he'll keep the car today but he don't want it tomorrow can you find someone else who wants it. +ring me today and say that's got diarrhoea, he'll keep the car today but he don't want it tomorrow can you find someone else who wants it. i was asleep in bed. i had to get up a i said that's the last time. i felt terrible last night. i said to june i can hardly see i've got that bad a headache. -so i went to bed and i had to get up and get dressed and go and pick him up +so i went to bed and i had to get up and get dressed and go and pick him up go and pick him up. and i was like this driving along the road. terrible. @@ -89897,11 +89818,11 @@ well we ain't got paid anyway yet. he said i can't pay you till tuesday cos the money ain't come through for the work he said. no i didn't th i should imagine, i thought he said you didn't, i would imagine he gets paid at the end of the month. no. -what he said was you don't get paid until the erm the actual sort of whatever it is he's sold has been installed. -so if somebody says i'll have a set of double glazing doors or something until they've actually been installed he then gets paid. +what he said was you don't get paid until the erm the actual sort of whatever it is he's sold has been installed. +so if somebody says i'll have a set of double glazing doors or something until they've actually been installed he then gets paid. well that ain't a very good firm is it really? no. -but then i suppose they don't get paid until the people +but then i suppose they don't get paid until the people but i mean what i couldn't understand was if he's selling all this stuff and where's mum's little black bag jonathan? making so much money i can't understand why @@ -89920,8 +89841,8 @@ cos he got ever so big didn't he? i've lost my handbag anybody. i don't want to leave it in the car. you went upstairs. -oh well perhaps i left it up i'll take these up while i'm . -i can't play with i'm using the he-man. +oh well perhaps i left it up i'll take these up while i'm . +i can't play with i'm using the he-man. look this his move gr nanny. granny!. what's that black one then? @@ -89948,14 +89869,14 @@ this is his move. the bearhug. erm what day you wa me and geoff'll take will take your erm take me what? -your mac to morris. +your mac to morris. he's doing it again. oh lovely. course i'd like it, if i could june i would like it for friday. what ? cos i thought i'd lost my money didn't i? oh. -i'd like erm i'd like it for friday if i could could you tell her cos i want it to erm go out on friday. +i'd like erm i'd like it for friday if i could could you tell her cos i want it to erm go out on friday. i dunno how we could do it before friday, not unless erm perhaps she'll deliver it back to her mum's. see anyway, if if she could i would like it really. @@ -89963,7 +89884,7 @@ you would? yeah i would. well i mean i can always collect it thursday night. ooh that smell of like cat is awful in here. -well i hate to tell you but this is that's the same smell that dorothy's house has. +well i hate to tell you but this is that's the same smell that dorothy's house has. keep thinking that's on that cushion. that ain't. that's near that washing machine. @@ -89975,7 +89896,7 @@ i noticed it straight away. cor! that is definitely in that corner. i noticed it when mum told me. -well i told you you'll have to get some of that stuff that you put in cat's litter trays to neutralize the smell. +well i told you you'll have to get some of that stuff that you put in cat's litter trays to neutralize the smell. here you are. this is what i always no that won't do it june. @@ -89990,7 +89911,7 @@ i stick a bit of that in. well that ain't doing anything. that's the whole point. yeah but it is! -but she keeps doing it she done it again last night, didn't smell till yesterday. +but she keeps doing it she done it again last night, didn't smell till yesterday. i told you to put some orange in there. they don't like the smell of orange, she wouldn't go in there. mm.