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+[0.000 --> 2.000]  Is that laptop yours?
+[2.000 --> 4.000]  Why is that your laptop?
+[4.000 --> 7.000]  And your father ever discussed you for...
+[7.000 --> 11.000]  All these terrible things in the world, is ill.
+[11.000 --> 14.000]  So today we're covering Hunter Biden.
+[14.000 --> 18.000]  And just like Arkelly, you have an image in your head of who this is.
+[18.000 --> 20.000]  Even more importantly, his father happens to be president.
+[20.000 --> 25.000]  And you'll take all the baggage associated with the fact that he's the child of the president
+[25.000 --> 28.000]  and assign all of that to him and what we're talking about.
+[28.000 --> 31.000]  We're talking about what we see in terms of body language.
+[31.000 --> 33.000]  We all have some very pointed opinions.
+[33.000 --> 35.000]  Does not have anything to do with the president.
+[35.000 --> 38.000]  Does never have anything to do with anything other than what we see.
+[38.000 --> 40.000]  Period. That's it.
+[40.000 --> 41.000]  All right, you guys ready?
+[41.000 --> 42.000]  Yeah.
+[42.000 --> 44.000]  Here we go.
+[44.000 --> 46.000]  Scott Rouse from a body language expert and analyst.
+[46.000 --> 50.000]  And I train law enforcement and the military and interrogation and body language.
+[50.000 --> 53.000]  And I've created the number one online body language course.
+[53.000 --> 55.000]  Bodylanguagetactics.com with Greg Hartley.
+[55.000 --> 56.000]  Mark?
+[56.000 --> 57.000]  I'm Mark.
+[57.000 --> 58.000]  I'm Mark Bowden.
+[58.000 --> 59.000]  I'm an expert in human behavior and body language.
+[59.000 --> 65.000]  I help people all over the world to stand out, win trust, gain credibility every time they communicate,
+[65.000 --> 67.000]  including some of the leaders of the G7.
+[67.000 --> 68.000]  Chase.
+[68.000 --> 72.000]  I'm Chase Usadid, 20 years of the US military.
+[72.000 --> 74.000]  Lot of research into behavior and psychology.
+[74.000 --> 81.000]  Nowadays I train intelligence agencies and the general public in extreme persuasion, influence, and behavioral profiling.
+[81.000 --> 82.000]  Greg Hartley.
+[82.000 --> 83.000]  Greg Hartley.
+[83.000 --> 87.000]  I'm a former Army interrogator and interrogation instructor, resistance to interrogation instructor,
+[87.000 --> 89.000]  written ten books on body language and behavior.
+[89.000 --> 93.000]  And put together this course body language tactics.com with Scott Rouse.
+[93.000 --> 96.000]  I'd spend most of my time on Wall Street and corporate America today.
+[96.000 --> 97.000]  All right.
+[97.000 --> 100.000]  Well, today we're going to talk about Hunter Biden and a cup.
+[100.000 --> 104.000]  We're going to take a look at a few interviews, sections of those that he's done over the past couple of years.
+[104.000 --> 107.000]  Some of them are from 2019 in that right, Greg.
+[107.000 --> 108.000]  Yep.
+[108.000 --> 109.000]  2019, 2000.
+[109.000 --> 110.000]  And then most recently.
+[110.000 --> 113.000]  Yeah, it's most recent interview as well.
+[113.000 --> 117.000]  So as we go through this, remember, politically we don't care.
+[117.000 --> 118.000]  We're Switzerland.
+[118.000 --> 119.000]  We go right down the middle.
+[119.000 --> 121.000]  We're not for one side, not for the other side.
+[121.000 --> 123.000]  Believe it or not, we do not care.
+[123.000 --> 130.000]  There's no way we could care any less about who's innocent, who's guilty, who's being honest and who's being deceptive.
+[130.000 --> 131.000]  We don't care.
+[131.000 --> 134.000]  We're just telling you what we see in these specific videos.
+[134.000 --> 135.000]  That's it.
+[135.000 --> 136.000]  All right.
+[136.000 --> 137.000]  Are we good?
+[137.000 --> 139.000]  Just subscribe before you move on.
+[139.000 --> 140.000]  Oh, yeah.
+[140.000 --> 141.000]  Subscribe.
+[141.000 --> 142.000]  Yeah.
+[142.000 --> 143.000]  Hit that button.
+[143.000 --> 144.000]  Okay.
+[144.000 --> 145.000]  Yeah, help us.
+[145.000 --> 146.000]  We're almost 2,250.
+[146.000 --> 148.000]  You could be the person who brings us over in our first year.
+[148.000 --> 149.000]  Yeah.
+[149.000 --> 150.000]  Yeah.
+[150.000 --> 152.000]  Which way can give you something we would know who you were.
+[152.000 --> 153.000]  All right.
+[153.000 --> 154.000]  Here we go.
+[154.000 --> 155.000]  You make just one reference to it at the book.
+[155.000 --> 156.000]  Yeah.
+[156.000 --> 157.000]  Is that laptop yours?
+[157.000 --> 159.000]  It's, you don't need the laptop.
+[159.000 --> 160.000]  You got a book.
+[160.000 --> 161.000]  You got the book.
+[161.000 --> 162.000]  It's all in the book.
+[162.000 --> 163.000]  And I don't know.
+[163.000 --> 164.000]  I truly, that you don't know.
+[164.000 --> 167.000]  The serious answer is that I truly do not know the answer to that.
+[167.000 --> 169.000]  Did you leave a laptop with a repairman?
+[169.000 --> 170.000]  Not that I remember.
+[170.000 --> 171.000]  Not that you remember.
+[171.000 --> 172.000]  No.
+[172.000 --> 173.000]  No.
+[173.000 --> 182.000]  But whether or not somebody has my laptop, whether or not it was my, my was hacked, whether or not there, it exists a laptop at all.
+[182.000 --> 183.000]  I truly don't know.
+[183.000 --> 185.000]  Are you missing a laptop?
+[185.000 --> 194.000]  Not that I know of, but you know, read the book and you realize that I wasn't keeping tabs on possessions very well for about a four year period of time.
+[194.000 --> 195.000]  All right.
+[195.000 --> 196.000]  Greg, what do you got?
+[196.000 --> 197.000]  Yes.
+[197.000 --> 199.000]  So I'm going to go, Mark, I'm going to send a little like you this time.
+[199.000 --> 201.000]  I'm looking at character.
+[201.000 --> 207.000]  And as we walk down the path for this guy, I'm going to tell you that if you're not old enough to know this character, you're going to have to go and look him up.
+[207.000 --> 210.000]  There's a guy named Eddie Haskell on leave it to beaver.
+[210.000 --> 216.000]  And Eddie Haskell was notorious for any time someone could give him something like a parent.
+[216.000 --> 218.000]  He would suck up big time.
+[218.000 --> 238.000]  And when they couldn't, he would talk down to them.
+[238.000 --> 243.000]  There's a whole lot of Eddie Haskell going on in this video as we get into these next pieces.
+[243.000 --> 249.000]  I'll point him out in his demeanor changes depending upon whether he needs something or he's telling.
+[249.000 --> 251.000]  And we're going to look at all of that.
+[251.000 --> 252.000]  Now, I'm not saying his line here.
+[252.000 --> 255.000]  I'm going to tell you he might not even know whether this is his laptop or not.
+[255.000 --> 256.000]  And he hedges it every turn.
+[256.000 --> 259.000]  So we'll talk about Eddie Haskell throughout this video.
+[259.000 --> 262.000]  I'm going to say he's now haskeling will be the term I use.
+[262.000 --> 265.000]  Here he starts off by chaff and redirect.
+[265.000 --> 269.000]  He just throws a lot of crap out there for you to buy that and see which direction you'll go by that.
+[269.000 --> 272.000]  I mean, like a plane dropping a bunch of chaff and missiles taking off after it.
+[272.000 --> 274.000]  He's dropping something and hoping you'll get there.
+[274.000 --> 280.000]  He's very vague and his response always an indicator that somebody is getting the opportunity to avoid the question.
+[280.000 --> 281.000]  He disclaims.
+[281.000 --> 284.000]  His blink rate goes through the roof when he's talking about that.
+[284.000 --> 286.000]  And he starts to trade guilt saying, hey, it was a bad guy.
+[286.000 --> 287.000]  And get off my back.
+[287.000 --> 289.000]  In other words.
+[289.000 --> 291.000]  And then he does sacred space.
+[291.000 --> 294.000]  A thing I call closing your body and then milling.
+[294.000 --> 298.000]  So it's burying, keeping space between you and then adapting.
+[298.000 --> 300.000]  He's milling his hands.
+[300.000 --> 303.000]  And then he does a whole lot of burying in general.
+[303.000 --> 305.000]  He's locked up pretty tight.
+[305.000 --> 310.000]  If he's not lying, he's sure sending a lot of indicators that something's up.
+[310.000 --> 313.000]  And if I were interrogating this guy, the heat would go really up.
+[313.000 --> 314.000]  I would say, no, no, no, no, no.
+[314.000 --> 316.000]  You don't get to answer that way.
+[316.000 --> 318.000]  You don't get to be free with this.
+[318.000 --> 319.000]  You got to answer my question.
+[319.000 --> 321.000]  I'd poke and prod and push.
+[321.000 --> 325.000]  And what you're going to see is you see that brow go up request for approval.
+[325.000 --> 326.000]  Anytime he needs something.
+[326.000 --> 330.000]  And if you go back and find, leave it to beaver and find Eddie Haskell when he's talking.
+[330.000 --> 332.000]  Hey, Ms. Cleaver, you see that forehead up?
+[332.000 --> 335.000]  You see all that nodding when he's talking to them?
+[335.000 --> 336.000]  It's just classic.
+[336.000 --> 340.000]  And we'll see him changes demeanor when he's talking in a different way.
+[340.000 --> 342.000]  But for now, remember Eddie Haskell.
+[342.000 --> 343.000]  Chase, what do you got?
+[343.000 --> 344.000]  Great.
+[344.000 --> 345.000]  I agree with all that.
+[345.000 --> 351.000]  And I think there's something off here in the first camera cut where there is an edit in there.
+[351.000 --> 354.000]  Then you can see it in the reporter.
+[354.000 --> 356.000]  But I'd like you to check it out.
+[356.000 --> 360.000]  Let us know in the comments if you identified where the edit was.
+[360.000 --> 364.000]  And when he said you don't need the laptop, you got a book.
+[364.000 --> 365.000]  There's a book.
+[365.000 --> 366.000]  There's some subtext here.
+[366.000 --> 368.000]  You know what the subtext is?
+[368.000 --> 369.000]  Go buy the book.
+[369.000 --> 373.000]  I mean, he might as well have a screen behind him with his book on it.
+[373.000 --> 375.000]  I mean, it's ridiculous.
+[375.000 --> 381.000]  So the serious answer is that I truly do not know the answer to that.
+[381.000 --> 386.000]  So this is double removal, a non-contracted denial, which means they say,
+[386.000 --> 389.000]  do not instead of don't.
+[389.000 --> 391.000]  And did you leave it with a repairman?
+[391.000 --> 395.000]  The reporter shaking his head to help him with the answers.
+[395.000 --> 397.000]  No idea who this person is doing the interview.
+[397.000 --> 400.000]  But I would bet money that you're going to see this again.
+[400.000 --> 405.000]  And I would also bet money if I had no idea who either one of these people are,
+[405.000 --> 411.000]  that the reporter was either paid or trained to assist this person in the interview.
+[411.000 --> 417.000]  And not that I remember, said that twice with digital flexion on his hand.
+[417.000 --> 422.000]  You can see his hand squeezing his other hand to try to hold himself still.
+[422.000 --> 424.000]  He's very still here.
+[424.000 --> 427.000]  And this is when he's being deceptive, according to me.
+[427.000 --> 431.000]  And I want you to see what he looks like when he's not here in a couple videos,
+[431.000 --> 433.000]  which we're going to look at.
+[433.000 --> 438.000]  And he's saying read the book and you'll realize that X, Y, and Z.
+[438.000 --> 442.000]  So you need to go buy my book, go buy my book.
+[442.000 --> 444.000]  And that's the overall theme of this.
+[444.000 --> 446.000]  Mark, would you go?
+[446.000 --> 448.000]  Yeah, absolutely all the same stuff.
+[448.000 --> 450.000]  You know, there's a book out there going by the book.
+[450.000 --> 451.000]  He's locked down.
+[451.000 --> 454.000]  There's lots of self soothing going on there.
+[454.000 --> 458.000]  I based line this about against him being on Jimmy Kimmel, because I thought,
+[458.000 --> 459.000]  I think he's a bit more fun.
+[459.000 --> 461.000]  And so, yeah, we see him on the Jimmy Kimmel show.
+[461.000 --> 463.000]  He starts to use descriptors more.
+[463.000 --> 465.000]  He's more open.
+[465.000 --> 469.000]  He's still a little bit locked down, but he's not locked down like he's locked down in this.
+[469.000 --> 474.000]  So yeah, he's really tight and secure in this one.
+[474.000 --> 478.000]  You know, the only thing he doesn't suggest is the potential.
+[478.000 --> 480.000]  The potential of the book.
+[480.000 --> 483.000]  I'm surprised he didn't go down that route because he gets very, very close.
+[483.000 --> 485.000]  I mean, you know, it could be my laptop.
+[485.000 --> 486.000]  Maybe it's not my laptop.
+[486.000 --> 490.000]  Hey, maybe laptops just are not a thing in the first place.
+[490.000 --> 494.000]  I was expecting he might push it that far, but he, but he doesn't.
+[494.000 --> 496.000]  There's this interesting strong gaze that he has.
+[496.000 --> 499.000]  I mean, I think he's a bit more focused on the fact that he's not locked down.
+[499.000 --> 501.000]  I think he's a bit more focused on the fact that he's not locked down.
+[501.000 --> 503.000]  I think he's a bit more focused on the fact that he's not locked down.
+[503.000 --> 505.000]  I think he's a bit more focused on the fact that he's not locked down.
+[505.000 --> 507.000]  I think he's a bit more focused on the fact that he's not locked down.
+[507.000 --> 510.000]  I think he's not locked down.
+[510.000 --> 512.000]  No, it doesn't go inside.
+[512.000 --> 515.000]  It's an important, interesting strong gaze that he has as well.
+[515.000 --> 517.000]  Now he does show this in the Jimmy Kimmel show as well.
+[517.000 --> 519.000]  But in the Jimmy Kimmel show, his blink rate is a lot more.
+[519.000 --> 520.000]  He kind of locks his eyes.
+[520.000 --> 528.000]  Very wide and tries to hold that gaze without any blink at all.
+[528.000 --> 533.000]  Greg picked on some specific moments where he can't hold that open
+[533.000 --> 541.840]  Gaze that I think is there to kind of almost seduce the eye contact and get the attention and get the buy-in on it.
+[541.840 --> 548.600]  And then at the end, I absolutely Greg, lots of chaff and breed direct, but especially at the end here where he says,
+[548.600 --> 552.320]  look, everything was a little bit shaky at that time.
+[552.320 --> 559.120]  And he introduces the hook of a much bigger personal drama going on.
+[559.120 --> 564.200]  The drama for the interviewer, or certainly the audience here is the drama of the laptop.
+[564.200 --> 571.000]  He manages to move it across to a much bigger personal drama where everything was a little bit shaky.
+[571.000 --> 579.200]  So interesting start for him there, which doesn't bowed well for us really believing in what he's talking about here.
+[579.200 --> 580.680]  Scott, what do you got?
+[580.680 --> 581.360]  All right.
+[581.360 --> 582.800]  You guys covered a lot of stuff.
+[582.800 --> 585.360]  Chase, I was going to talk about what you're talking about in the editing.
+[585.600 --> 590.920]  I was opening with that because the editing on these things all of really bugged me to death.
+[590.920 --> 593.840]  This guy, he isn't a TV guy.
+[593.840 --> 596.640]  He's not good at this, but he's been trained.
+[596.640 --> 597.760]  And we'll go as we go through.
+[597.760 --> 602.400]  That's going to be the little thread this time that I go through pointing out the things where he's been trained.
+[602.400 --> 605.560]  And now he is the champion of chaff and redirect.
+[605.560 --> 608.480]  The champion up at this point was Anthony Weiner.
+[608.480 --> 609.640]  Boy, that guy's good at that.
+[609.640 --> 611.240]  I mean, you'll come in and say, what about this?
+[611.240 --> 614.280]  And I was like, well, and it goes off from this whole other thing.
+[614.280 --> 621.840]  But the thing that's similar with those two with Anthony Weiner and Hunter is when it gets to the important part about that laptop,
+[621.840 --> 624.920]  he does the very same thing Anthony Weiner does.
+[624.920 --> 627.040]  He starts talking about how it could be mine.
+[627.040 --> 627.720]  It can be mine.
+[627.720 --> 628.320]  I don't know.
+[628.320 --> 630.080]  We're listening to a victim.
+[630.080 --> 638.280]  Everything he talks about goes back to him being an addict about how he blames everything on being addicted to crack at some point during this.
+[638.280 --> 640.000]  So he goes, I don't remember.
+[640.000 --> 641.400]  You'll find out in the book.
+[641.400 --> 642.840]  Those types of things I agree with Chase.
+[642.840 --> 646.080]  Again, he's selling the book, but that's the reason he did the interview.
+[646.080 --> 646.800]  That's fine.
+[646.800 --> 647.280]  No big deal.
+[647.280 --> 648.280]  He's selling something.
+[648.280 --> 656.200]  Again, his squeeze in that hand is going to be his product is baseline now because he does what he does that.
+[656.200 --> 661.080]  I believe he's been trained to do that because before I'm sure he was chewing on his mouth, doing all kinds of things,
+[661.080 --> 666.960]  and moving around a lot because you can see him controlling those those little movements that someone will do when they get nervous.
+[667.000 --> 669.360]  They start getting into things like I do.
+[669.360 --> 673.360]  They train him to or he's been trained to sit still.
+[673.360 --> 676.320]  And that's how he's doing it because he's not comfortable in the way he's sitting.
+[676.320 --> 684.920]  He's all got his arm cocked over this way and he's leaning this way somehow and just looks odd and it looks like it feels odd to me from where I'm sitting.
+[684.920 --> 687.520]  He talks too fast when he's thinking about something.
+[687.520 --> 693.800]  That's how he can tell when he's creating something because he he starts throwing out chaff and port sort of puts his mouth over here.
+[693.880 --> 705.200]  And while his brain is thinking and he knows what he's going to say, we're looking at a professional liar here because he was a crack addict and drug addicts there, their pro liars,
+[705.200 --> 712.440]  and they'll look you right in the face and just swear up down to everything you find valuable and you think that they think you find valuable in your life.
+[712.440 --> 718.280]  They'll swear to that from your religion to your kids to whatever it is they'll swear to it.
+[718.360 --> 722.400]  So as I go through this, I can't get my mind off that because I know that look we all do.
+[722.400 --> 726.360]  We've all talked to two people that are in that space.
+[726.360 --> 728.960]  So to me so far, this looks like we're coming out of the gate.
+[728.960 --> 733.520]  We're dealing with somebody who is really good at being deceptive.
+[733.520 --> 734.880]  I shouldn't call him a liar like that.
+[734.880 --> 740.040]  That's bad to come out of the gate saying that, but that's what I'm seeing right out of the gate here.
+[740.040 --> 746.200]  And again, he's not a TV guy as we go through and that's why he's looking uncomfortable most of the time.
+[747.000 --> 748.000]  Scott, two things.
+[748.000 --> 755.080]  What I agree in the Eddie Haskell character, anybody who's an addict will be the Eddie Haskell character because they have to have two faces,
+[755.080 --> 757.160]  one for authority and one for the rest of the guys.
+[757.360 --> 758.480]  So I think that's a part of it.
+[758.760 --> 760.440]  And then the other one is Eddie Haskell.
+[760.440 --> 767.680]  If you go watch the show, any of these guys, when they get into a point where they have nowhere to go, it immediately becomes somebody else's fault, something else happened.
+[768.000 --> 771.560]  It's just it's why every time I watched it all, I could see was this character.
+[772.560 --> 774.800]  Yeah, you make just one reference to it at the book.
+[774.800 --> 775.400]  Yeah.
+[775.400 --> 776.720]  Is that laptop yours?
+[776.720 --> 779.000]  It's you don't need the laptop.
+[779.000 --> 780.320]  You got a book.
+[780.320 --> 781.520]  You get the book.
+[781.520 --> 782.320]  It's all in the book.
+[782.320 --> 783.120]  And I don't know.
+[783.120 --> 785.080]  I truly that you don't know this.
+[785.080 --> 787.520]  Here is the answer is that I truly do not know the answer to that.
+[787.520 --> 789.880]  Did you leave a laptop with a repair man?
+[789.880 --> 790.720]  Not that I remember.
+[790.720 --> 791.640]  Not that you remember.
+[791.640 --> 792.920]  No, no.
+[792.920 --> 800.840]  But whether or not somebody has my laptop, whether or not it was my, my was hacked, whether or not.
+[800.840 --> 803.080]  There exists a laptop at all.
+[803.080 --> 804.160]  I truly don't know.
+[804.160 --> 805.800]  Are you missing a laptop?
+[805.800 --> 814.560]  Not that I know of, but you know, read the book and you'll realize that I wasn't keeping tabs on possessions very well for about a four year period of time.
+[814.560 --> 815.560]  All right.
+[815.560 --> 816.400]  You good?
+[816.400 --> 817.400]  Yeah, good.
+[817.400 --> 818.400]  You.
+[818.400 --> 819.720]  Was that your laptop?
+[819.720 --> 820.720]  For real, I don't know.
+[820.720 --> 821.920]  I know, but you know that this is.
+[821.920 --> 822.800]  I really don't know.
+[822.800 --> 823.640]  Okay.
+[823.640 --> 827.080]  You don't know yes or no if the laptop was the idea.
+[827.080 --> 828.320]  I have no idea what it was.
+[828.320 --> 829.360]  So could have been yours.
+[829.360 --> 830.400]  Of course, certainly.
+[830.400 --> 833.040]  There could be a laptop out there that was stolen from me.
+[833.040 --> 834.520]  There could be that I was hacked.
+[834.520 --> 838.240]  It could be that it was that it was Russian intelligence.
+[838.240 --> 840.880]  It could be that it was stolen from me.
+[840.880 --> 844.000]  And you didn't drop off a laptop till you repaired.
+[844.000 --> 845.000]  No, no, no, no.
+[845.000 --> 846.720]  Not that I remember at all.
+[846.720 --> 847.720]  At all.
+[847.720 --> 849.840]  So we'll see.
+[849.840 --> 850.520]  All right.
+[850.520 --> 851.840]  Chase, what do you got?
+[851.840 --> 857.680]  So he's shaking his head while questioning again.
+[857.680 --> 858.680]  I'm sorry.
+[858.680 --> 860.320]  She is shaking her head during the questioning.
+[860.320 --> 863.560]  Is there any way is this is this your laptop?
+[863.560 --> 866.800]  Let me tell you exactly how you need to answer this hunter.
+[866.800 --> 868.160]  And we're seeing that.
+[868.160 --> 870.880]  And in the truth questions, we'll see them nod their head.
+[870.880 --> 873.720]  We'll see them, you know, give that look like this.
+[873.720 --> 875.000]  Is that truth question hunter?
+[875.000 --> 877.640]  You need to get ready for this question.
+[877.640 --> 881.760]  And this is your called plausibility statements.
+[881.760 --> 882.760]  It might have been this.
+[882.760 --> 885.120]  It might have been that Elon Musk might have actually
+[885.120 --> 887.000]  broken into my apartment and stolen it.
+[887.000 --> 888.120]  It could be on Mars.
+[888.120 --> 889.440]  I don't know.
+[889.440 --> 891.600]  There's a lot of things that could happen.
+[891.600 --> 893.080]  Those are plausibility statements.
+[893.080 --> 895.320]  They are a marker for deception.
+[895.320 --> 899.720]  It's, as Scott would say, suggests or denotes that a person
+[899.720 --> 902.200]  is being deceptive.
+[902.200 --> 905.000]  And then again, in the same video that we just watched,
+[905.000 --> 906.200]  when you're about to watch, there's
+[906.200 --> 908.640]  even more head shaking during the second part of this.
+[908.640 --> 909.480]  It's not yours.
+[909.480 --> 912.080]  You're absolutely certain about that.
+[912.080 --> 917.160]  And so this is a distancing language over and over
+[917.200 --> 918.160]  throughout the whole thing.
+[918.160 --> 919.720]  I'm not going to go too long in this one.
+[919.720 --> 920.880]  Greg?
+[920.880 --> 921.400]  Yeah.
+[921.400 --> 922.080]  So same thing.
+[922.080 --> 925.320]  I have written down here, there may be dogs on the moon.
+[925.320 --> 927.080]  You know, who knows?
+[927.080 --> 929.040]  We can just come up with any kind of conjecture
+[929.040 --> 930.760]  and make that go forever and ever.
+[930.760 --> 932.200]  For real, I don't know.
+[932.200 --> 934.880]  The only time that he does a gravity-defying act
+[934.880 --> 937.760]  is his finger rises when he does for real, I don't know.
+[937.760 --> 942.680]  And then he says, but my point is, and if it were one of us,
+[942.680 --> 945.280]  we would sit quietly and listen for a story to start
+[945.280 --> 946.120]  to come apart.
+[946.120 --> 949.560]  He steps on that and then goes to ask more questions.
+[949.560 --> 952.640]  He does the Eddie Haskell request for approval with his brow
+[952.640 --> 953.240]  up.
+[953.240 --> 954.880]  I don't know the answer.
+[954.880 --> 956.600]  I was just messed up all the whole time
+[956.600 --> 957.120]  is what he's saying.
+[957.120 --> 958.960]  But then you see distaste and amusement
+[958.960 --> 961.520]  as he chaff and redirects and does more of this whole,
+[961.520 --> 964.320]  anything and does a broad disclaimer, not that I know.
+[964.320 --> 967.240]  I mean, he's using all the language we expect from people
+[967.240 --> 970.480]  if they're trying to avoid answering a question.
+[970.480 --> 972.400]  Does he know that he had a laptop?
+[972.400 --> 973.080]  Certainly.
+[973.080 --> 974.520]  Does he know where that laptop is now?
+[974.520 --> 975.240]  No.
+[975.240 --> 978.360]  So yeah, he's doing this broad thing saying it could be this,
+[978.360 --> 980.160]  somebody could have stolen it, could have been here.
+[980.160 --> 982.280]  I could, what he didn't say is I could have been so drugged
+[982.280 --> 982.960]  out of my mind.
+[982.960 --> 984.960]  I gave it to somebody for crack.
+[984.960 --> 986.000]  He didn't say that.
+[986.000 --> 989.400]  So he just leaves it open ended, chaff and redirect.
+[989.400 --> 991.840]  And she takes the chaff and steps on him
+[991.840 --> 996.680]  when he says, but my point is, should of, I agree with you, Chase,
+[996.680 --> 998.760]  don't shake your head, no, don't shake your head, yes,
+[998.760 --> 1001.040]  stop, ask a question and go from there.
+[1001.040 --> 1002.280]  Scott, what do you got?
+[1002.280 --> 1003.040]  All right.
+[1003.040 --> 1004.880]  When he says, for real, I don't know.
+[1004.880 --> 1007.520]  He's almost reverts back to a childlike thing.
+[1007.520 --> 1011.000]  When he's coming into that head goes down and he juts his head out.
+[1011.000 --> 1013.680]  At the same time, that's, and we'll see that as,
+[1013.680 --> 1015.200]  we're going to see him do that a couple of times
+[1015.200 --> 1016.920]  as we go through this.
+[1016.920 --> 1018.760]  His legs, like we saw in Prince Andrew,
+[1018.760 --> 1021.800]  his legs were crossed in that, not in the masculine form,
+[1021.800 --> 1024.840]  but the more of a feminine form of cross legs,
+[1024.840 --> 1027.040]  which is suggest you be relaxed and everything's
+[1027.040 --> 1028.280]  going to be fine and all that.
+[1028.280 --> 1030.200]  But his demeanor doesn't match the way he's sitting,
+[1030.200 --> 1031.320]  he's acting.
+[1031.320 --> 1034.720]  He's trying to have his arms apart and be open
+[1034.720 --> 1035.800]  and have his hands here.
+[1035.800 --> 1037.800]  But you can see he's stressed.
+[1037.800 --> 1041.320]  You can tell that he's really tight as he moves.
+[1041.320 --> 1043.680]  Because you can see his whole body begin to jiggle
+[1043.680 --> 1047.560]  as he starts talking and starts to defend himself.
+[1047.560 --> 1049.680]  The blank expression, the wild eyes again,
+[1049.680 --> 1050.480]  I agree with Mark.
+[1050.480 --> 1052.640]  He's trying to get him to lock in on him,
+[1052.640 --> 1056.320]  which is, as we know, that's a great tactic to do.
+[1056.320 --> 1062.200]  And he's had so much time to rehearse defending
+[1062.200 --> 1064.880]  his position on things when he might be not telling
+[1064.880 --> 1067.320]  that you're always being deceptive that this is,
+[1067.320 --> 1069.720]  he's just going, he's reverting right back to that.
+[1069.720 --> 1071.840]  Because it's that, please, you got to believe me.
+[1071.840 --> 1073.760]  The eyebrows go up the hole.
+[1073.760 --> 1075.400]  It's just, it's classics.
+[1075.400 --> 1078.000]  I mean, this should be on a 10 turner classic thing.
+[1078.000 --> 1078.880]  If it was a movie, they say,
+[1078.880 --> 1080.680]  oh, let's watch some of the old stuff.
+[1080.680 --> 1082.920]  This guy really doesn't, he does it so well.
+[1082.920 --> 1084.720]  That's what we'd be looking at.
+[1084.720 --> 1087.080]  And again, Anthony Wiener does the same style
+[1087.080 --> 1088.640]  of Chaffery Direct.
+[1088.640 --> 1091.680]  But I think this is the new champion of Chaffery Direct
+[1091.680 --> 1093.760]  over Anthony Wiener at this point.
+[1093.760 --> 1095.040]  Mark, what do you got?
+[1095.040 --> 1096.520]  Yeah, so there are some similarities
+[1096.520 --> 1098.920]  to the Prince Andrew situation
+[1098.920 --> 1102.080]  and we'll see those later on as well.
+[1102.080 --> 1104.360]  And I think the big similarity I'm seeing
+[1104.360 --> 1108.000]  is his resistance techniques, which are similar
+[1108.000 --> 1109.320]  to some of Prince Andrews in there.
+[1109.320 --> 1112.280]  There's a lot of just hang on there for dear life.
+[1112.280 --> 1115.840]  Just hang on, keep your grip and don't try and move.
+[1115.840 --> 1119.520]  Because when we see him in the Jimmy Kimmel interview
+[1119.520 --> 1120.800]  that I baseline him on,
+[1120.840 --> 1123.120]  he comes away from the chair side
+[1123.120 --> 1125.520]  and he does really start to gesture.
+[1125.520 --> 1127.440]  There's way more description.
+[1127.440 --> 1129.680]  I think as everybody else has been saying,
+[1129.680 --> 1132.840]  he's been told, hang on to that chair
+[1132.840 --> 1135.360]  and just keep your hands still.
+[1135.360 --> 1139.080]  So we do see that gravity defying as Greg was saying,
+[1139.080 --> 1141.960]  two finger lift that happens there on,
+[1141.960 --> 1143.280]  I really don't know.
+[1143.280 --> 1146.520]  That signals to me, there's a strong possibility.
+[1146.520 --> 1149.880]  He does know that there's some actual positivity there
+[1149.880 --> 1151.760]  rather than negativity.
+[1151.760 --> 1155.040]  If he hadn't been told, hang on to your chair,
+[1155.040 --> 1157.680]  I think we'd be getting a big gesture out of him, right,
+[1157.680 --> 1160.680]  then because he really wants to convince us of,
+[1160.680 --> 1162.840]  I just don't know about this.
+[1162.840 --> 1164.720]  We get these incredible stories now
+[1164.720 --> 1167.520]  about all the possibilities for computers.
+[1167.520 --> 1169.840]  I mean, again, it should be like,
+[1169.840 --> 1171.880]  the computer could have been everybody's.
+[1171.880 --> 1174.800]  Maybe it was a computer that belonged to all of us
+[1174.800 --> 1176.200]  at the time rather than before.
+[1176.200 --> 1178.040]  It was like, I don't think computers
+[1178.040 --> 1180.080]  maybe exist in the first place.
+[1180.080 --> 1182.800]  So he's gone to the opposite end of the spectrum now.
+[1182.800 --> 1185.840]  Again, this strong eye contact that we get,
+[1185.840 --> 1190.840]  I think that is his way of controlling and convincing.
+[1192.800 --> 1196.040]  And I think to Scott's point,
+[1196.040 --> 1199.400]  I think that is a learned behavior from back in his,
+[1199.400 --> 1204.280]  he's recovering now, but back in his days when he was a user,
+[1204.280 --> 1208.800]  I imagine that is the behavior he used to convince people.
+[1208.800 --> 1210.720]  Yeah, I don't know where those things have gone.
+[1210.720 --> 1211.720]  No, I didn't sell them.
+[1211.720 --> 1213.560]  I didn't haven't met those people.
+[1213.560 --> 1215.040]  Where were you last night?
+[1215.040 --> 1217.640]  Here's where I was and those eyes are wide
+[1217.640 --> 1221.280]  and he's trying to lock them to control and convince.
+[1221.280 --> 1223.760]  I think it's some of his user behavior
+[1223.760 --> 1225.880]  that we're probably seeing there.
+[1225.880 --> 1228.920]  I don't know for sure, but it's a good, it's a good bet.
+[1228.920 --> 1231.160]  There, that's what I got for you.
+[1231.160 --> 1232.120]  Excellent.
+[1232.120 --> 1233.440]  Was that your laptop?
+[1233.440 --> 1234.440]  For real, I don't know.
+[1234.440 --> 1235.440]  I know, but this is.
+[1235.440 --> 1236.440]  I really don't know.
+[1236.440 --> 1237.440]  It's the answer is that's the truth.
+[1237.440 --> 1240.440]  You don't know, yes or no, if the laptop was in the idea.
+[1240.440 --> 1241.920]  I have no idea whether it was.
+[1241.920 --> 1243.080]  So could have been yours.
+[1243.080 --> 1244.080]  Of course, certainly.
+[1244.080 --> 1246.720]  There could be a laptop out there that was stolen from me.
+[1246.720 --> 1248.160]  There could be that I was hacked.
+[1248.160 --> 1251.880]  It could be that it was the, that it was Russian intelligence.
+[1251.880 --> 1254.520]  It could be that it was stolen from me.
+[1254.520 --> 1257.680]  And you didn't drop off a laptop till you repaired
+[1257.680 --> 1258.480]  and Delaware.
+[1258.480 --> 1261.480]  Not that I remember at all, at all.
+[1261.480 --> 1263.480]  So we'll see.
+[1263.480 --> 1264.480]  Right.
+[1264.480 --> 1266.480]  Let's move.
+[1266.480 --> 1270.520]  Looking back, did you make a mistake taking a spot on that board?
+[1270.520 --> 1273.400]  No, I don't think I made a mistake in taking a spot on the board.
+[1273.400 --> 1279.640]  I think I made a mistake in terms of underestimating the way
+[1279.640 --> 1282.480]  in which it would be used against me.
+[1282.480 --> 1285.800]  But you must have seen the optics even back then.
+[1285.800 --> 1289.400]  You must have, I mean, how could you not have foreseen
+[1289.400 --> 1290.680]  that this was going to look back?
+[1290.680 --> 1293.480]  Because I really didn't, I'm being dishonest with you
+[1293.480 --> 1294.560]  as I possibly can.
+[1294.560 --> 1297.520]  All I know is that not one investigative body,
+[1297.520 --> 1299.680]  not one series journalist has ever
+[1299.680 --> 1302.600]  accused, has ever come to the conclusion
+[1302.600 --> 1306.400]  that I did anything wrong or that my father did anything wrong.
+[1306.400 --> 1309.200]  There I am going to go first on this one.
+[1309.200 --> 1311.560]  Prior to the gate, we see him squeezing that hand again
+[1311.560 --> 1312.840]  as an adapter.
+[1312.840 --> 1314.320]  And he really gets on it too.
+[1314.320 --> 1316.000]  He's really up in that thing.
+[1316.000 --> 1317.840]  But again, that's part of his training
+[1317.840 --> 1318.960]  and it is part of his baseline.
+[1319.040 --> 1321.760]  We're going to see it throughout most of these videos.
+[1321.760 --> 1323.080]  His knees pointed to the interviewer
+[1323.080 --> 1324.080]  as he's doing that as well.
+[1324.080 --> 1325.520]  We got two barriers going on there.
+[1325.520 --> 1327.080]  His hand is being used as one.
+[1327.080 --> 1328.800]  It's doing that.
+[1328.800 --> 1330.040]  And his knee is pointing right at her
+[1330.040 --> 1331.680]  and he's slunk back in that chair
+[1331.680 --> 1334.280]  so hard he cannot get any further away from her.
+[1334.280 --> 1335.120]  But he's doing that.
+[1335.120 --> 1336.960]  We don't see any illustrators.
+[1336.960 --> 1339.720]  His knee pops up a little bit here and there.
+[1339.720 --> 1341.960]  But we don't see any, we don't see any illustrators
+[1341.960 --> 1342.800]  with this.
+[1342.800 --> 1343.760]  It's just odd looking.
+[1343.760 --> 1347.320]  And when he says, I'm being as honest as I possibly can,
+[1347.320 --> 1348.080]  he is.
+[1348.080 --> 1349.760]  He's being as honest as he possibly can
+[1349.760 --> 1352.240]  without getting in trouble because he tells her,
+[1352.240 --> 1355.040]  as the whole truth, he's out.
+[1355.040 --> 1357.480]  He's that it starts a whole other thing.
+[1357.480 --> 1358.960]  And that's a famous little phrase
+[1358.960 --> 1360.160]  with somebody who's hiding stuff.
+[1360.160 --> 1361.400]  When they say, I'm telling you,
+[1361.400 --> 1362.600]  everything I can possibly tell you
+[1362.600 --> 1364.280]  and being as honest as I can be.
+[1364.280 --> 1365.560]  Yeah, because you don't want to go to prison
+[1365.560 --> 1368.040]  or yeah, you don't want this to happen or that to happen.
+[1368.040 --> 1370.040]  So that's a huge,
+[1370.040 --> 1372.120]  that's a guy flagging you on him
+[1372.120 --> 1373.040]  and like at the airport,
+[1373.040 --> 1375.080]  those little flags bringing the plane in.
+[1375.080 --> 1376.560]  That's a big one.
+[1377.520 --> 1379.880]  Again, he uses his addiction
+[1379.880 --> 1382.280]  as to get out of jail free card in this,
+[1382.280 --> 1383.440]  which is another thing that runs,
+[1383.440 --> 1385.360]  another thread that runs through this whole thing.
+[1385.360 --> 1388.760]  He's, he doesn't, he can blame anything that happened on that.
+[1388.760 --> 1390.320]  It's probably the best thing that it happened to him
+[1390.320 --> 1391.120]  because no matter what happens,
+[1391.120 --> 1392.560]  it's the animal, remember.
+[1392.560 --> 1393.560]  I don't remember what happened.
+[1393.560 --> 1395.120]  We'll find out, I guess, you know,
+[1395.120 --> 1396.520]  if it's, oh yeah, I guess it did.
+[1396.520 --> 1397.320]  I guess I was here.
+[1397.320 --> 1398.000]  I still remember doing it.
+[1398.000 --> 1399.760]  So I wasn't lying.
+[1399.760 --> 1402.320]  Mm, just like it's on my last nerve.
+[1402.320 --> 1403.800]  So that there's a whole,
+[1403.800 --> 1406.000]  there's a whole bunch more, I'll eat them all up.
+[1406.160 --> 1407.600]  Mark, what do you got?
+[1407.600 --> 1410.280]  Yeah, so lock down there again.
+[1410.280 --> 1411.520]  That's training.
+[1411.520 --> 1414.200]  Yeah, as you say, Scott, he's right in,
+[1414.200 --> 1416.440]  oh, he's right in, in, in there.
+[1416.440 --> 1419.040]  And I think he's probably using a technique
+[1419.040 --> 1421.280]  of self-stimulating on that,
+[1421.280 --> 1425.360]  which is to cause some kind of strong feeling here,
+[1425.360 --> 1427.080]  which is a sense of, well,
+[1427.080 --> 1429.320]  I'm in control of this feeling,
+[1429.320 --> 1432.560]  though I'm not in control of the drama
+[1432.560 --> 1435.680]  that's going on or the question that's going on.
+[1435.760 --> 1438.560]  Something I might train somebody to do in order to go,
+[1438.560 --> 1440.800]  well, you're not going to be in control of the questions,
+[1440.800 --> 1443.440]  but here's what you are going to be in control of.
+[1443.440 --> 1444.920]  You're going to be in control of the pain
+[1444.920 --> 1447.920]  that you're going to cause yourself during this.
+[1447.920 --> 1450.680]  You're going to be in control of that element of it.
+[1450.680 --> 1452.400]  So he's doing that for sure,
+[1452.400 --> 1454.000]  digging his fingers right in.
+[1454.000 --> 1458.000]  Yeah, I'm being as honest as I possibly can be.
+[1458.000 --> 1459.800]  Oh, well, so you could be more honest.
+[1459.800 --> 1463.040]  So my question would be under what circumstances
+[1463.040 --> 1464.360]  could you be more honest?
+[1464.360 --> 1466.000]  And how would that look?
+[1466.000 --> 1468.400]  What would that sound like if you were being more honest
+[1468.400 --> 1469.600]  with me right now?
+[1469.600 --> 1471.120]  Because he's basically saying,
+[1471.120 --> 1473.040]  under the current circumstances,
+[1473.040 --> 1474.320]  this is good as it gets.
+[1474.320 --> 1477.080]  Well, I want to know what are the current circumstances
+[1477.080 --> 1479.560]  for you and what would actually more honesty
+[1479.560 --> 1481.800]  therefore sound like.
+[1481.800 --> 1484.080]  Chase, I'm super interested in what you think
+[1484.080 --> 1485.360]  of the blink right here,
+[1485.360 --> 1488.520]  because I'm not even,
+[1488.520 --> 1491.680]  I mean, I counted one, I'm miscounted.
+[1494.040 --> 1496.640]  But maybe you got a little bit more than I did,
+[1496.640 --> 1500.080]  but I only got one that noticeable one to me.
+[1500.080 --> 1502.480]  So, so Chase, what do you got?
+[1503.600 --> 1506.880]  The blink rate goes up for stress
+[1506.880 --> 1509.560]  and down, some people say comfort,
+[1509.560 --> 1512.040]  but down means focus.
+[1513.560 --> 1515.600]  So last time you watched like a really cool movie
+[1515.600 --> 1516.600]  that had all your attention,
+[1516.600 --> 1518.680]  your blink rate was somewhere around like a three
+[1518.680 --> 1521.560]  or four per minute, per minute.
+[1521.560 --> 1525.760]  And when we go up to those spikes that are 80, 75, 80,
+[1525.760 --> 1527.120]  up in high stress,
+[1527.120 --> 1530.120]  none of us notice that our blink rates going up
+[1530.120 --> 1531.840]  because it's such an unconscious behavior.
+[1531.840 --> 1533.120]  And that's one of the reasons
+[1533.120 --> 1537.040]  that it's so dramatically reliable for everything.
+[1537.040 --> 1540.080]  But yeah, so we had a tremendous amount of focus there.
+[1540.080 --> 1542.720]  The blink rate was almost nonexistent.
+[1542.720 --> 1544.440]  So we had a lot of focus.
+[1544.440 --> 1547.840]  And I think I'll skip over what you guys covered.
+[1547.880 --> 1550.840]  And this is a common narrative now that we see
+[1550.840 --> 1553.080]  in everybody left, right?
+[1553.080 --> 1554.320]  I don't really care.
+[1554.320 --> 1555.680]  All politicians lie.
+[1555.680 --> 1558.200]  No matter what, all of them, 100%.
+[1559.880 --> 1562.880]  This is almost like, it almost reminds me
+[1562.880 --> 1566.160]  of if I'm guilty of anything, it's being too honorable.
+[1567.240 --> 1569.760]  This is what this reminds me of.
+[1569.760 --> 1571.480]  I'm a victim, I never make mistakes.
+[1571.480 --> 1572.320]  Perfect.
+[1572.320 --> 1575.320]  And you're misunderstanding everything.
+[1575.320 --> 1576.360]  That's how this works.
+[1576.360 --> 1579.520]  And it's just summed up perfectly in the end of this clip.
+[1579.520 --> 1581.680]  It's summed up perfectly and I'm paraphrasing
+[1581.680 --> 1583.600]  like crazy here.
+[1583.600 --> 1587.760]  But it's no one has ever done anything wrong.
+[1587.760 --> 1590.120]  That's involved with me.
+[1590.120 --> 1592.800]  Anything that's happened to me was a result of something else.
+[1592.800 --> 1595.160]  And my locus of control is outside of me.
+[1595.160 --> 1596.480]  I don't control my life.
+[1598.000 --> 1599.400]  Greg, yeah.
+[1599.400 --> 1600.760]  Yeah, you guys have hit most of it.
+[1600.760 --> 1603.000]  But again, we can't miss the coaching.
+[1603.000 --> 1604.040]  Guys, if we were coaching,
+[1604.040 --> 1605.360]  we would probably do something different.
+[1605.360 --> 1606.760]  I'd say, roll your toes and your shoes
+[1606.760 --> 1607.840]  or do something else don't do it.
+[1607.840 --> 1609.880]  So visibly, I would take it away.
+[1609.880 --> 1612.440]  But the guy is releasing his nervous energy some way.
+[1612.440 --> 1614.960]  I again, Scott, double barrier.
+[1614.960 --> 1617.720]  Barrier means I need space, cross your legs and do this.
+[1617.720 --> 1618.800]  Can't miss that.
+[1619.880 --> 1623.120]  He goes to this negotiating why it's not his fault
+[1623.120 --> 1624.120]  to your point chase.
+[1624.120 --> 1626.920]  He does a double, a double edge sword approach.
+[1626.920 --> 1630.000]  The first one is, hey, well, I didn't make a mistake,
+[1630.000 --> 1631.840]  but I didn't realize how it would be perceived.
+[1631.840 --> 1635.200]  Okay, well, that is fundamentally a mistake.
+[1635.200 --> 1636.400]  That is fundamentally a mistake.
+[1636.400 --> 1637.840]  You did something like that.
+[1637.840 --> 1638.880]  And then he does something I call
+[1638.880 --> 1640.960]  Innocence by Association.
+[1640.960 --> 1643.200]  And he lawyers his way through that even.
+[1643.200 --> 1647.080]  He goes to anybody who is credible has never accused.
+[1647.080 --> 1648.560]  Oh, wait, not accused.
+[1648.560 --> 1651.480]  Concluded that I or anyone else did anything wrong.
+[1651.480 --> 1654.120]  This guy's lawyering his way through the whole thing.
+[1654.120 --> 1655.880]  He's negotiating any fault away.
+[1655.880 --> 1658.080]  He's Eddie Haskell again.
+[1658.080 --> 1660.720]  And he is romancing to use a term that Scott
+[1660.720 --> 1662.040]  and I use the romancer.
+[1662.080 --> 1665.200]  And that is tell me what you want to know.
+[1665.200 --> 1666.520]  Paying really close attention.
+[1666.520 --> 1668.320]  And the reason people lock their eyes in,
+[1668.320 --> 1670.920]  I love what you said, Chase, Blinkrate goes to zero.
+[1670.920 --> 1672.560]  The reason it goes away is because they're paying
+[1672.560 --> 1675.120]  really close attention to, you believe me, don't you?
+[1675.120 --> 1676.200]  You believe me, don't you?
+[1676.200 --> 1678.440]  And they're foreheads up and they are locked
+[1678.440 --> 1680.080]  onto every move you make.
+[1680.080 --> 1683.920]  This guy's negotiating his way through what he's lying about.
+[1683.920 --> 1685.640]  He, there's lots of ways to lie.
+[1685.640 --> 1689.680]  Omission commission and embellishment or transference.
+[1689.680 --> 1690.840]  Who knows which one?
+[1690.840 --> 1694.320]  But it's always nice to have the, I can't remember.
+[1694.320 --> 1696.880]  And in today's world especially,
+[1696.880 --> 1698.040]  and when people are addicts,
+[1698.040 --> 1700.560]  they're recovering from whatever medical condition they had.
+[1700.560 --> 1703.640]  Yeah, we feel for them at the same time.
+[1703.640 --> 1705.560]  It can't be holy ground that you can't go after
+[1705.560 --> 1707.960]  and say, okay, and, and I think you're dead
+[1707.960 --> 1709.440]  onto that mark I would have been.
+[1709.440 --> 1711.120]  I would have crawled him pretty hard about this
+[1711.120 --> 1713.560]  because it's clear that he's being deceptive
+[1713.560 --> 1716.280]  and he's distancing and taking every opportunity
+[1716.280 --> 1718.080]  for it not to be his fault.
+[1718.080 --> 1719.600]  So all I got.
+[1719.600 --> 1721.600]  Looking back, did you make a mistake
+[1721.600 --> 1723.600]  taking a spot on that board?
+[1723.600 --> 1725.280]  No, I don't think I made a mistake
+[1725.280 --> 1726.480]  and taking a spot on the board.
+[1726.480 --> 1730.680]  I think I made a mistake in terms of underestimating
+[1730.680 --> 1735.520]  the way in which it would be used against me.
+[1735.520 --> 1737.800]  But you must have seen the optics.
+[1737.800 --> 1739.880]  Even back then, you must have,
+[1739.880 --> 1742.480]  I mean, how could you not have foreseen
+[1742.480 --> 1743.760]  that this was gonna look back?
+[1743.760 --> 1746.280]  Because I really didn't, I'm being as honest
+[1746.280 --> 1747.600]  with you as I possibly can.
+[1747.600 --> 1750.600]  All I know is that not one investigative body,
+[1750.600 --> 1753.360]  not one series journalist has ever acute,
+[1753.360 --> 1755.680]  has ever come to the conclusion
+[1755.680 --> 1757.680]  that I did anything wrong
+[1757.680 --> 1759.680]  or that my father did anything wrong.
+[1759.680 --> 1760.720]  Excellent.
+[1760.720 --> 1761.720]  Good.
+[1761.720 --> 1762.600]  You're the middle.
+[1762.600 --> 1764.440]  In the list that you gave me of the reasons why
+[1764.440 --> 1766.920]  you're on that board, you did not list the fact
+[1766.920 --> 1768.680]  that you were the son of the vice president.
+[1768.680 --> 1769.520]  Yeah, no.
+[1769.520 --> 1771.280]  What role do you think that played?
+[1771.280 --> 1773.680]  I think that it isn't possible for me to be
+[1773.680 --> 1775.320]  on any of the boards that I just mentioned
+[1775.320 --> 1776.680]  without saying that I'm the son
+[1776.680 --> 1778.120]  of the vice president of the United States.
+[1778.120 --> 1781.360]  You were paid $50,000 a month for your position?
+[1781.360 --> 1782.440]  Look, I'm a private citizen.
+[1782.440 --> 1783.760]  One thing that I don't have to do,
+[1783.760 --> 1785.960]  sit here and open my kimono as it relates
+[1785.960 --> 1788.600]  to how much money I make or make or did or didn't.
+[1788.600 --> 1789.840]  But it's all been reported.
+[1789.840 --> 1791.680]  If your last name wasn't Biden,
+[1791.680 --> 1793.000]  do you think you would have been asked
+[1793.000 --> 1794.960]  to be on the board of a reasonable?
+[1794.960 --> 1796.080]  I don't know.
+[1796.080 --> 1797.320]  I don't know, probably not.
+[1797.320 --> 1799.160]  I don't think that there's a lot of things
+[1799.160 --> 1800.200]  that would have happened in my life
+[1800.200 --> 1802.760]  that if my last name wasn't Biden.
+[1802.760 --> 1804.840]  All right, Greg, what do you got?
+[1804.840 --> 1806.600]  Yeah, I'm not gonna take a whole lot, guys,
+[1806.600 --> 1807.800]  because this is a pretty clean one.
+[1807.800 --> 1808.920]  This is a great baseline.
+[1808.920 --> 1810.760]  This is where the way he talks to other people.
+[1810.760 --> 1813.040]  This is Eddie Haskell talking to other children.
+[1813.040 --> 1815.800]  This is not Eddie Haskell talking to the parents.
+[1815.800 --> 1817.520]  Watch, low forehead involvement.
+[1817.520 --> 1819.520]  He's a little bit of forehead request for approval once
+[1819.520 --> 1821.480]  when he says I'm a private citizen.
+[1821.480 --> 1825.120]  But lack of that, he looks at her, he's telling.
+[1825.120 --> 1827.920]  He's less likely to be asking for approval
+[1827.920 --> 1830.000]  and fishing and uncomfortable.
+[1830.000 --> 1831.120]  He knows where he's at.
+[1831.120 --> 1833.080]  He knows that he has control of this situation.
+[1833.080 --> 1835.800]  He's just simply saying, I don't have to tell you that.
+[1835.800 --> 1838.600]  Very different demeanor, very different mindset.
+[1838.600 --> 1840.920]  Not a lot of fidgeting still has his hands closed,
+[1840.920 --> 1843.000]  but that's his demeanor, that's his baseline.
+[1843.000 --> 1845.160]  My guess is if you talk to Hunter Biden
+[1845.160 --> 1846.960]  and you were talking about something contentious,
+[1846.960 --> 1849.240]  but not where he felt like he was in trouble,
+[1849.240 --> 1851.880]  this would be the Hunter Biden you found.
+[1851.880 --> 1853.000]  Mark, what do you got?
+[1853.000 --> 1856.920]  Yeah, so if we take this idea that Chase bought up,
+[1856.920 --> 1858.080]  which I think is a really good one,
+[1858.080 --> 1862.240]  that the blink rate goes low when there's focus.
+[1862.400 --> 1866.240]  He seems very focused around the idea of,
+[1866.240 --> 1869.120]  I'm a private citizen, that area around there.
+[1869.120 --> 1870.960]  I don't need to open that kimono.
+[1870.960 --> 1874.000]  So it gets very focused around that.
+[1874.000 --> 1875.160]  So that's very protective.
+[1875.160 --> 1876.680]  It's a protective idea.
+[1876.680 --> 1878.720]  It's basically saying, I'm protected
+[1878.720 --> 1882.120]  by telling you any information and I'm focused on that.
+[1882.120 --> 1884.280]  So that's where I'd start to question.
+[1884.280 --> 1887.000]  Like, what are you being so protective over?
+[1887.000 --> 1888.680]  What are you most worried?
+[1888.680 --> 1890.320]  Who are you most worried for?
+[1890.360 --> 1893.280]  Who do you most need to protect right now?
+[1893.280 --> 1897.960]  Because my feeling is that's the focus of this protection.
+[1899.160 --> 1900.800]  If my last name wasn't Biden,
+[1900.800 --> 1902.560]  he knits his eyebrows there.
+[1902.560 --> 1907.200]  It kind of looks a little bit like the idea of confusion.
+[1907.200 --> 1910.400]  I'm gonna pretend to be kind of confused.
+[1910.400 --> 1911.960]  It's a bit of a print sandrew.
+[1911.960 --> 1916.640]  Well, you see in the Navy, there's this idea of going,
+[1916.640 --> 1919.200]  I just don't think you get this.
+[1919.200 --> 1921.040]  I'm a little confused.
+[1921.040 --> 1924.400]  And so I'm just gonna take away your whole premise.
+[1924.400 --> 1927.640]  What he tries to do with this confusion around
+[1927.640 --> 1929.760]  if my last name wasn't Biden,
+[1929.760 --> 1934.760]  is to discount the whole premise, the whole idea
+[1935.320 --> 1937.520]  because his name is always Biden.
+[1937.520 --> 1940.560]  It always, it doesn't make any difference to things.
+[1940.560 --> 1943.000]  It's just something that he has.
+[1943.000 --> 1944.680]  It affects everything.
+[1944.680 --> 1948.480]  So therefore, it shouldn't affect this particular issue.
+[1948.480 --> 1951.920]  It will, of course, it affects this particular issue.
+[1951.920 --> 1953.800]  Of course, it does.
+[1953.800 --> 1955.240]  But he mocks the confusion there.
+[1955.240 --> 1958.160]  So kind of interesting on that one.
+[1958.160 --> 1959.600]  Scott, what do you got for us?
+[1959.600 --> 1960.920]  All right.
+[1960.920 --> 1963.400]  Again, we're seeing his class hands enough.
+[1963.400 --> 1964.960]  We're seeing his baseline.
+[1964.960 --> 1967.280]  We're seeing what we used to see in so far.
+[1967.280 --> 1969.840]  Except these are a little tight in there in front of him.
+[1969.840 --> 1972.040]  We could see that as a barrier where he's doing this.
+[1972.040 --> 1974.480]  He's got those, and he can see him squeezing together
+[1974.480 --> 1976.040]  and move around a little bit.
+[1976.040 --> 1978.480]  Anybody's gonna be nervous when they're being interviewed,
+[1978.480 --> 1980.960]  especially when it's on TV, that type of thing.
+[1980.960 --> 1983.000]  But again, let's start listening.
+[1983.000 --> 1985.000]  When these versions of the interviews come up
+[1985.000 --> 1986.760]  and listen to the edits on here,
+[1986.760 --> 1988.960]  because if you listen to stuff in headphones,
+[1988.960 --> 1991.080]  there's a lot going on with the editing.
+[1991.080 --> 1992.120]  A lot going on.
+[1992.120 --> 1994.000]  Mark, I know you can see that stuff,
+[1994.000 --> 1996.320]  but I'm telling you, I can hear that stuff in there
+[1996.320 --> 1998.840]  when the reverb from the room cuts just a little.
+[1998.840 --> 2000.000]  They're doing the crossfades.
+[2000.000 --> 2001.320]  So the reverb ends in the other one
+[2001.320 --> 2002.160]  of the starting as it does that,
+[2002.160 --> 2003.280]  but they're not that good at it.
+[2003.280 --> 2005.880]  They're great at it, but it's not perfect.
+[2005.880 --> 2008.760]  So watching on TV, you're probably not gonna catch it,
+[2008.760 --> 2010.880]  but in headphones, you can't miss it.
+[2013.320 --> 2014.960]  That was really odd warning where he said,
+[2014.960 --> 2017.760]  make or make, did or didn't, did or did.
+[2017.760 --> 2020.080]  That's, he's thinking as he's going through that.
+[2020.080 --> 2023.120]  He didn't make 50,000 a month on that.
+[2023.120 --> 2024.600]  It was 83,000.
+[2024.600 --> 2026.200]  So he sort of stopped, that's why I'm understanding it.
+[2026.200 --> 2029.080]  That could be wrong, but I went and looked it up,
+[2029.080 --> 2030.880]  and it said it was 83,000.
+[2030.880 --> 2032.960]  So that's why he stopped that.
+[2032.960 --> 2035.160]  That's why he was going, that's why he didn't say,
+[2035.160 --> 2038.360]  no, I didn't make 50 grand, which would have been,
+[2038.360 --> 2040.480]  not been true because he did make 50,
+[2040.480 --> 2042.000]  but he made 83.
+[2042.000 --> 2043.760]  If my information is correct on that,
+[2043.760 --> 2045.280]  which there were a couple of things,
+[2045.280 --> 2048.800]  and that's the one that finally led out to show that was true
+[2048.800 --> 2051.560]  from the little better research that I did.
+[2051.560 --> 2053.200]  So that was really, that was really odd.
+[2053.200 --> 2054.640]  I think his mouth again is moving faster
+[2054.640 --> 2056.000]  than his brain's movement.
+[2056.000 --> 2058.080]  And he knows these questions ahead of time.
+[2058.080 --> 2059.880]  A lot of the stuff he's just reciting the answers
+[2059.880 --> 2060.720]  that he's rehearsed.
+[2060.720 --> 2063.440]  He hadn't gotten into deep rehearsal on these,
+[2063.440 --> 2064.560]  but he knows what he's gonna say.
+[2064.600 --> 2067.080]  He just hasn't said these out loud yet,
+[2067.080 --> 2068.720]  because he's going along.
+[2068.720 --> 2070.080]  Because if she even says,
+[2071.920 --> 2074.320]  that she's on the list of questions,
+[2074.320 --> 2076.720]  on the list of whatever you gave me,
+[2076.720 --> 2080.560]  I didn't see or didn't say you were the vice president's son.
+[2080.560 --> 2082.840]  So I think we're seeing some heavy editing
+[2082.840 --> 2085.920]  in this group of interviews,
+[2085.920 --> 2090.280]  and I think he's being receptive in there as well.
+[2090.280 --> 2091.600]  Chase, what do you got?
+[2091.600 --> 2093.680]  Yeah, so this is heavily cut.
+[2093.680 --> 2095.400]  If you wanna see the spots,
+[2095.400 --> 2098.600]  or one of the biggest spots that Scott and Mark
+[2098.600 --> 2101.800]  are both talking about, watch Hunter's hands.
+[2101.800 --> 2103.320]  Just keep an eye on his hands,
+[2103.320 --> 2105.680]  and then just take a look when it cuts away,
+[2105.680 --> 2108.080]  and it cuts back, and you'll see it.
+[2108.080 --> 2109.920]  There's a whole lot of political language here,
+[2109.920 --> 2112.480]  which he's been exposed to his whole life.
+[2112.480 --> 2115.440]  His dad, I think just about since he was born,
+[2115.440 --> 2116.760]  has been in politics.
+[2117.720 --> 2121.560]  And he uses the word look, just like his father.
+[2121.560 --> 2124.440]  If I'm an interrogator, or if I'm a salesperson,
+[2124.440 --> 2126.840]  or if I'm a parent trying to convince my child
+[2126.840 --> 2130.640]  to do something, and they use visual language like look,
+[2130.640 --> 2131.800]  I'm gonna use words like,
+[2131.800 --> 2135.320]  I see what you mean instead of, I understand,
+[2135.320 --> 2137.680]  or that sounds good to me.
+[2137.680 --> 2139.680]  So I'm gonna change all of my language
+[2139.680 --> 2141.320]  to match the person speaking to,
+[2141.320 --> 2143.280]  in the interrogation room, or wherever you are.
+[2143.280 --> 2147.480]  From a psychotherapist, I'm gonna be using the same language
+[2147.480 --> 2149.680]  as the person I'm speaking to, to help them.
+[2150.680 --> 2152.640]  When he says, I want you to watch this.
+[2152.640 --> 2154.720]  We talk about micro facial expressions,
+[2154.720 --> 2155.720]  and other things.
+[2155.720 --> 2158.240]  I want you to spot three microbehabers,
+[2158.240 --> 2160.960]  and they all occur simultaneously when he says,
+[2160.960 --> 2163.000]  it's all been reported.
+[2163.000 --> 2165.560]  There is a neck, fear muscle movement,
+[2165.560 --> 2167.640]  the meadow classoid muscle right here,
+[2167.640 --> 2169.720]  and you can see it move under his shirt down here,
+[2169.720 --> 2173.040]  it even lifts his shirt up a little bit when he says it.
+[2173.040 --> 2175.920]  Then there's a single shrug that happens right along with it,
+[2175.920 --> 2178.720]  and a tiny little no head shake.
+[2178.760 --> 2181.320]  It's all been reported, and you see it all right there
+[2181.320 --> 2183.480]  within a quarter of a second.
+[2183.480 --> 2186.560]  So you look for that in this clip, that's all you got.
+[2186.560 --> 2187.400]  Right, good.
+[2187.400 --> 2189.240]  And you're talking about the three modes,
+[2189.240 --> 2192.360]  or three forms of communication there, Chase,
+[2192.360 --> 2193.760]  and I'm not telling you this,
+[2193.760 --> 2195.160]  but the person watching it's gonna be,
+[2195.160 --> 2196.160]  what do you tell him?
+[2196.160 --> 2197.000]  There are three of them.
+[2197.000 --> 2200.280]  You've got the audio part where, like, as Chase was talking about,
+[2200.280 --> 2203.360]  I hear what you're saying, that sounds good to me.
+[2203.360 --> 2204.560]  You've got the visual where they say,
+[2204.560 --> 2205.960]  I see what you're saying.
+[2205.960 --> 2207.560]  It looks to me like,
+[2207.560 --> 2209.960]  and then you have the kinesthetic where it feels,
+[2209.960 --> 2211.200]  they talk about feeling.
+[2211.200 --> 2213.240]  Beels good, or that's a little bit rough around the edges,
+[2213.240 --> 2214.400]  they start going forward.
+[2214.400 --> 2216.640]  So those are the three, and a nutshell.
+[2216.640 --> 2217.800]  You can go deep on those,
+[2217.800 --> 2220.640]  and really connect with someone fairly quickly
+[2220.640 --> 2222.760]  when you start mirroring not only what they're doing
+[2222.760 --> 2225.840]  with their body, but what they're doing with their words.
+[2225.840 --> 2226.680]  So that's just what we're doing.
+[2226.680 --> 2228.560]  And by exactly what Chase said,
+[2228.560 --> 2230.320]  that's the way they organized their information.
+[2230.320 --> 2232.560]  So you're helping them pull the information back out
+[2232.560 --> 2235.120]  by using the right modality.
+[2235.120 --> 2235.960]  Yeah.
+[2235.960 --> 2237.720]  So you've got a list that you gave me of the reasons why
+[2237.720 --> 2238.880]  you're on that board.
+[2238.880 --> 2240.960]  You did not list the fact that you were the son
+[2240.960 --> 2241.960]  of the vice president.
+[2241.960 --> 2242.960]  Yeah.
+[2242.960 --> 2244.400]  What role do you think that played?
+[2244.400 --> 2246.360]  I think that it isn't possible for me
+[2246.360 --> 2248.440]  to be on any of the boards that I just mentioned
+[2248.440 --> 2250.480]  without saying that I'm the son of the vice president
+[2250.480 --> 2251.320]  of the United States.
+[2251.320 --> 2254.440]  You were paid $50,000 a month for your position?
+[2254.440 --> 2255.520]  Look, I'm a private citizen.
+[2255.520 --> 2256.840]  One thing that I don't have to do,
+[2256.840 --> 2259.800]  sit here and open my kimono as it relates to how much money
+[2259.800 --> 2261.680]  I make or make or did or didn't.
+[2261.680 --> 2262.920]  But it's all been reported.
+[2262.920 --> 2264.760]  If your last name wasn't Biden,
+[2264.760 --> 2266.720]  do you think you would have been asked to be on the board
+[2266.720 --> 2268.040]  of a reasonable?
+[2268.040 --> 2269.160]  I don't know.
+[2269.160 --> 2270.000]  I don't know.
+[2270.000 --> 2270.840]  Probably not.
+[2270.840 --> 2272.200]  I don't think that there's a lot of things
+[2272.200 --> 2274.960]  that would have happened in my life that if my last name
+[2274.960 --> 2275.880]  wasn't Biden.
+[2275.880 --> 2277.760]  All right.
+[2277.760 --> 2279.600]  Have you ever given your father money
+[2279.600 --> 2281.840]  from any of your business ventures?
+[2281.840 --> 2282.360]  No.
+[2282.360 --> 2283.360]  Nothing.
+[2283.360 --> 2283.560]  Nothing.
+[2283.560 --> 2284.400]  Ever.
+[2284.400 --> 2285.240]  Not a nickel.
+[2285.240 --> 2286.040]  Not a nickel.
+[2286.040 --> 2287.080]  Directly or indirectly?
+[2287.080 --> 2288.320]  Directly or indirectly?
+[2288.320 --> 2289.080]  Not a nickel.
+[2289.080 --> 2289.600]  Ever.
+[2289.600 --> 2290.840]  100%.
+[2290.840 --> 2291.760]  No.
+[2291.760 --> 2292.920]  Never.
+[2292.920 --> 2293.840]  All right.
+[2293.840 --> 2295.080]  Mark, what do you got?
+[2295.080 --> 2296.080]  Yeah.
+[2296.080 --> 2299.120]  So what you're going to see out of there is really good strong denial.
+[2299.120 --> 2300.120]  Aren't you?
+[2300.120 --> 2303.080]  Like he's straight down there like, no, nothing.
+[2303.080 --> 2304.640]  Not a nickel.
+[2304.640 --> 2309.240]  And the illustrators in his head, they're pretty good.
+[2309.240 --> 2310.240]  They're pretty good.
+[2310.240 --> 2313.680]  They're pretty congruent, as we might say.
+[2313.680 --> 2319.360]  And we're not seeing any replacement of the idea.
+[2319.360 --> 2323.400]  Well, when you say paid, I mean, not paid
+[2323.400 --> 2328.920]  per se or there's no rearrangement of that.
+[2328.920 --> 2333.000]  So I think anybody watching this and listening to it
+[2333.000 --> 2334.640]  is going to see something there.
+[2334.640 --> 2337.480]  They go, well, that was pretty strong.
+[2337.480 --> 2339.440]  And they're going to go, well, I don't think we
+[2339.440 --> 2340.840]  saw anything there.
+[2340.840 --> 2343.720]  But let's see if anybody else picked anything up.
+[2343.720 --> 2346.560]  Chase, what do you got?
+[2346.560 --> 2348.800]  So the reporter starts again.
+[2348.800 --> 2352.560]  This journalist, no idea who he is, looks like he's
+[2352.560 --> 2357.760]  been specially coached to make sure this interview is in favor
+[2357.760 --> 2359.160]  of Hunter.
+[2359.160 --> 2360.920]  So this is bad.
+[2360.920 --> 2363.680]  Whoever this guy is is really bad.
+[2363.680 --> 2366.320]  There's more no head shaking during the initial question
+[2366.320 --> 2370.960]  there continues to shake head, only offering pieces
+[2370.960 --> 2372.960]  of the questions he should be asking.
+[2372.960 --> 2376.720]  These small fragments of that allow the person to just say,
+[2376.720 --> 2382.240]  yes or no, nothing ever, indirectly or indirectly.
+[2382.240 --> 2386.040]  And it's a recipe for disaster there.
+[2386.040 --> 2390.280]  And in Hunter, we see fidgeting and digital flexion.
+[2390.280 --> 2391.800]  And the difference between these two
+[2391.800 --> 2393.960]  is the repetitiveness of the behavior.
+[2393.960 --> 2396.280]  If it occurs once or twice, it's not,
+[2396.280 --> 2398.920]  we wouldn't classify, most of us wouldn't classify that
+[2398.920 --> 2400.640]  as fidgeting.
+[2400.640 --> 2405.120]  We typically classify repetitive behaviors that way.
+[2405.120 --> 2408.040]  And there's repetitions of the questions and phrases,
+[2408.040 --> 2410.200]  direct repetition.
+[2410.200 --> 2413.040]  Direct repetition is a red flag for deception.
+[2413.040 --> 2416.880]  He's saying the exact words that the person doing the interview
+[2416.880 --> 2422.320]  is saying, this is not a good sign.
+[2422.320 --> 2425.920]  I don't know who this guy is, but it looks like he was trained
+[2425.920 --> 2427.680]  to make Hunter look innocent.
+[2427.680 --> 2429.000]  Greg?
+[2429.000 --> 2431.040]  Yes, so I'm going to do exactly what he did.
+[2431.040 --> 2432.440]  Mark, play along.
+[2432.440 --> 2435.600]  Mark, I'm going to use leading questions to Mark.
+[2435.600 --> 2437.880]  You never ran naked through a football stadium.
+[2437.880 --> 2438.640]  Never.
+[2438.640 --> 2440.160]  Never run naked.
+[2440.160 --> 2441.320]  Absolutely naked.
+[2441.320 --> 2444.040]  Absolutely, absolutely not.
+[2444.040 --> 2446.960]  You get it, guys, if I asked the question a certain way
+[2446.960 --> 2448.800]  and I say, hey, you didn't do this, did you?
+[2448.800 --> 2450.800]  That's called a leading question.
+[2450.800 --> 2452.040]  The reason you can't do it in court
+[2452.040 --> 2453.680]  is because you're telling a person the answer.
+[2453.680 --> 2455.400]  Well, you don't have to tell the person the answer.
+[2455.400 --> 2456.600]  You say you didn't do this, did you?
+[2456.600 --> 2457.640]  What are they going to answer?
+[2457.640 --> 2458.480]  No.
+[2458.480 --> 2460.480]  You say, Mark, tell me about the time you ran naked
+[2460.480 --> 2462.120]  through the football stadium.
+[2462.120 --> 2462.960]  Different story.
+[2462.960 --> 2465.080]  No, you'll tell me all about it.
+[2465.080 --> 2466.840]  We have evidence, so we know.
+[2466.840 --> 2470.400]  But so what this guy is doing in Chase, I agree with you.
+[2470.400 --> 2473.680]  By the way, there's a disclaimer in the video
+[2473.680 --> 2476.360]  that says this is a CBS Firecomme company
+[2476.360 --> 2479.240]  and his publisher is tied to the company.
+[2479.240 --> 2482.440]  So they go out of their way to say that in the video.
+[2482.440 --> 2483.640]  We don't have that captured here,
+[2483.640 --> 2485.280]  but they do go out of their way to say it.
+[2485.280 --> 2486.160]  He's locked down.
+[2486.160 --> 2488.040]  He's locked in his not common knowledge.
+[2488.040 --> 2489.760]  It's just one thing I heard them say.
+[2489.760 --> 2490.800]  But he's locked down.
+[2490.800 --> 2493.760]  He's burying and adapting and milling his fingers.
+[2493.760 --> 2495.040]  And I agree with you.
+[2495.040 --> 2496.560]  It looks like a strong denial,
+[2496.560 --> 2498.600]  except for he's repeating exactly the same words.
+[2498.600 --> 2500.800]  He's being spoon-fed the answer.
+[2500.800 --> 2502.560]  Now, where the guy's doing it intentionally?
+[2502.560 --> 2505.400]  And as a conspiracy, don't know.
+[2505.400 --> 2506.280]  I'm not going to assume that.
+[2506.280 --> 2508.040]  But I will assume bad questioning
+[2508.040 --> 2510.640]  and giving him the benefit of a doubt where you shouldn't.
+[2510.640 --> 2512.800]  Then he responds to everyone
+[2512.800 --> 2513.720]  of those leading questions.
+[2513.720 --> 2516.600]  And he does romance or again, he is eye-focused.
+[2516.600 --> 2519.640]  No forehead involvement because he knows what he's denied.
+[2519.640 --> 2524.640]  The other thing is he never answers the spirit of the question.
+[2524.840 --> 2526.080]  He answers the question.
+[2526.120 --> 2528.160]  Very lawyer-like of him.
+[2528.160 --> 2530.560]  Did you ever give your father any money?
+[2530.560 --> 2532.360]  I believe he didn't.
+[2532.360 --> 2534.520]  Directly and directly, directly and directly.
+[2534.520 --> 2536.040]  Did you cause him to have any money?
+[2536.040 --> 2537.560]  Never answers that question.
+[2537.560 --> 2540.600]  Never says, look, there's nothing behind the scenes
+[2540.600 --> 2541.840]  that caused my father to get money.
+[2541.840 --> 2543.440]  None of that's ever addressed.
+[2543.440 --> 2544.720]  He answers the question asked.
+[2544.720 --> 2546.280]  Just like when I asked Mark, did you ever run,
+[2546.280 --> 2547.320]  you never ran naked?
+[2548.280 --> 2550.200]  If I lead the question, the guy's going to tell me
+[2550.200 --> 2551.040]  what I want to hear.
+[2551.040 --> 2552.600]  And he's going to pay attention to me very closely
+[2552.600 --> 2554.760]  because he's going to be specific.
+[2554.760 --> 2557.440]  A trained lawyer who has worked as a lawyer
+[2557.440 --> 2559.600]  is going to be very specific in what he answers
+[2559.600 --> 2562.360]  and not answer the spirit but the letter of the question.
+[2562.360 --> 2564.520]  In Terrogation 101, when you're trying to get away
+[2564.520 --> 2568.040]  from answering, answer the question they ask.
+[2568.040 --> 2570.680]  Don't provide information that you should.
+[2570.680 --> 2572.400]  That we're seeing it over and over and over here.
+[2572.400 --> 2575.000]  And there's no reason for him to go to go
+[2575.000 --> 2577.560]  and become Eddie Haskell because he knows what's coming.
+[2577.560 --> 2579.040]  Scott, what do you got?
+[2579.040 --> 2581.360]  You guys got all that stuff.
+[2581.360 --> 2582.200]  So I'll say this.
+[2582.200 --> 2582.920]  This one's hot.
+[2582.920 --> 2583.760]  Yeah.
+[2583.760 --> 2584.720]  It's all say this.
+[2584.720 --> 2586.920]  If you'd like to see Mark Bowden run through a stadium,
+[2586.920 --> 2588.760]  naked, it was a Nike commercial.
+[2588.760 --> 2590.520]  And you can Google that or don't go
+[2590.520 --> 2594.560]  glip it in YouTube and search Nike Strieker.
+[2594.560 --> 2595.760]  That's Nike Strieker.
+[2595.760 --> 2599.520]  And you'll see Mark Bowden, naked or nude.
+[2599.520 --> 2602.040]  For long, Denik.
+[2602.040 --> 2605.800]  Oh, we have contact.
+[2605.800 --> 2608.800]  Looks like he has more souvenirs for the throne.
+[2608.800 --> 2611.160]  I think he's got the shoes to drink.
+[2611.160 --> 2612.000]  I'm ready to go.
+[2612.000 --> 2614.120]  They were all chunks and you had all the pies.
+[2614.120 --> 2616.640]  Like I said, I'm going to say.
+[2616.640 --> 2619.360]  And he's off like a bull with gas.
+[2619.360 --> 2621.200]  Have you ever given your father money
+[2621.200 --> 2623.400]  from any of your business ventures?
+[2623.400 --> 2623.920]  No.
+[2623.920 --> 2624.920]  Nothing.
+[2624.920 --> 2625.120]  Nothing.
+[2625.120 --> 2625.960]  Ever.
+[2625.960 --> 2626.800]  Not a nickel.
+[2626.800 --> 2627.600]  Not a nickel.
+[2627.600 --> 2628.640]  Directly or indirectly?
+[2628.640 --> 2629.880]  Directly or indirectly?
+[2629.880 --> 2631.160]  Not a nickel ever.
+[2631.160 --> 2632.400]  100%.
+[2632.400 --> 2633.360]  No.
+[2633.360 --> 2634.680]  Never.
+[2634.680 --> 2636.640]  When he said, I hope you know what you're doing.
+[2636.640 --> 2638.560]  What did he think you were doing?
+[2638.560 --> 2639.920]  Well, he read the press reports
+[2639.920 --> 2641.480]  that I joined the Board of Breastma, which
+[2641.480 --> 2643.360]  was a Ukrainian natural gas company.
+[2643.360 --> 2648.680]  There's been a lot of misinformation about me, not about my dad.
+[2648.680 --> 2649.760]  Nobody buys that.
+[2649.760 --> 2652.720]  But it buys this idea that I was unqualified to be on the board.
+[2652.720 --> 2655.320]  What were your qualifications to be on the Board of Breastma?
+[2655.320 --> 2658.400]  Well, I was vice chairman of the Board of Amtrak for five years.
+[2658.400 --> 2661.560]  I was the chairman of the board of the UN World Food Program.
+[2661.560 --> 2663.880]  I was a lawyer for Boy's Schiller Flexner,
+[2663.880 --> 2666.680]  one of the most prestigious law firms in the world.
+[2666.680 --> 2670.360]  Bottom line is that I know that I was completely qualified
+[2670.360 --> 2672.840]  to be on the board to head up the corporate governance
+[2672.840 --> 2676.120]  and transparency committee on the board.
+[2676.120 --> 2677.880]  And that's all that I focused on.
+[2677.880 --> 2680.240]  Basically turning an Eastern European
+[2680.240 --> 2683.800]  independent natural gas company into Western standards
+[2683.800 --> 2685.080]  of corporate governance.
+[2685.080 --> 2685.680]  All right.
+[2685.680 --> 2687.400]  Greg, what do you got?
+[2687.400 --> 2688.400]  Yeah.
+[2688.400 --> 2689.760]  So here, once he starts down the path,
+[2689.760 --> 2691.880]  and he starts telling you all the things it made him,
+[2691.880 --> 2694.680]  yeah, he's got all the right qualifications for whatever role
+[2694.680 --> 2695.960]  it was, and he rattles those off.
+[2695.960 --> 2697.440]  See that forehead drop?
+[2697.440 --> 2700.040]  When he first starts off and he's on the ropes, though, look,
+[2700.040 --> 2701.240]  he's doing that thing again.
+[2701.240 --> 2704.240]  That's a, yeah, yeah, yeah, like he's talking to a parent.
+[2704.240 --> 2705.880]  Then once he gets to a point, you let him
+[2705.880 --> 2709.640]  chaff and redirect and you let him blast out all his qualifications.
+[2709.640 --> 2710.320]  He's comfortable.
+[2710.320 --> 2711.000]  He's got it.
+[2711.000 --> 2712.320]  He's got exactly what he needs.
+[2712.320 --> 2715.600]  His hands even come open away from that barrier pose.
+[2715.600 --> 2718.360]  And he starts to almost pound on the desk,
+[2718.360 --> 2721.080]  almost illustrate what he's thinking.
+[2722.040 --> 2725.240]  This one's not as messy as the other things he's doing,
+[2725.520 --> 2728.360]  where he's being fed the information, where he's being,
+[2728.360 --> 2730.280]  now, is she challenging him and saying,
+[2730.280 --> 2733.400]  yeah, but, yeah, but, okay, every one of those things
+[2733.400 --> 2735.120]  you got into because of this or that,
+[2735.120 --> 2737.400]  if she challenged him there, is she were interrogating him,
+[2737.400 --> 2739.000]  he might come loose a little bit more,
+[2739.000 --> 2740.920]  but you see that lack of forward involvement,
+[2740.920 --> 2743.960]  is he's reciting his answer for why he was qualified.
+[2743.960 --> 2744.840]  That's what I got.
+[2745.840 --> 2746.920]  Mark, what do you got?
+[2746.920 --> 2750.480]  Yeah, so I'm going to discount the whole of the first part
+[2750.480 --> 2753.840]  of this particular clip, because it is so edited.
+[2753.920 --> 2758.560]  It is so shockingly edited that I can't really,
+[2758.560 --> 2761.080]  that there's nothing for me to grab, grab hold of.
+[2761.080 --> 2761.920]  That's okay.
+[2761.920 --> 2763.960]  There's some stuff at the end of this for me,
+[2763.960 --> 2768.960]  which is, I do like the way he illustrates
+[2769.160 --> 2772.680]  at the end the transition of the company
+[2772.680 --> 2777.680]  from Eastern standards to Western standards.
+[2777.680 --> 2782.680]  His illustrator there is strong and concrete and congruent.
+[2782.680 --> 2786.560]  I totally believe that he believed his,
+[2786.560 --> 2788.400]  that's what his job was.
+[2788.400 --> 2790.720]  That's what he was there for, to transition
+[2790.720 --> 2795.200]  an Eastern company into one with Western standards
+[2795.200 --> 2799.040]  of governance, because he's very strong around that.
+[2799.040 --> 2804.040]  However, we do see this one eye flutter on qualified.
+[2805.720 --> 2810.000]  I don't, I suspect he questions himself
+[2810.040 --> 2813.040]  whether he was truly qualified for that.
+[2813.040 --> 2817.680]  There seems to be some asymmetrical stress
+[2817.680 --> 2820.760]  around the idea of qualification,
+[2820.760 --> 2825.760]  but no stress on this is the job I was there to do.
+[2827.280 --> 2831.400]  Now, whether he was, he had that job or not,
+[2831.400 --> 2834.200]  or was convinced that was his function
+[2834.200 --> 2837.640]  and why he was brought in as a qualified individual,
+[2837.640 --> 2839.800]  I don't know, but I think he believes
+[2839.800 --> 2842.960]  that what he was told about his function there,
+[2842.960 --> 2845.640]  he believes that to be true.
+[2845.640 --> 2848.120]  Chase, what do you got on this one?
+[2848.120 --> 2850.160]  It's got to go on already.
+[2850.160 --> 2852.920]  No, we burned you up last time.
+[2852.920 --> 2853.760]  What's that?
+[2853.760 --> 2854.960]  Good idea.
+[2854.960 --> 2855.960]  Go on.
+[2855.960 --> 2856.960]  I don't know.
+[2856.960 --> 2858.160]  I'll check.
+[2858.160 --> 2859.480]  I was leaving with my house.
+[2859.480 --> 2860.640]  So when you first point out,
+[2860.640 --> 2861.400]  I was like, yeah, man,
+[2861.400 --> 2863.120]  because Chase, you're going to get this one.
+[2863.120 --> 2864.400]  I'm going to get, sorry, Chase,
+[2864.400 --> 2865.760]  got to take this one, because then,
+[2865.760 --> 2866.840]  I'm going for it.
+[2866.840 --> 2869.480]  Okay, they were the 11 cuts in 23 seconds.
+[2869.560 --> 2872.360]  And there was a run in the first 10 seconds.
+[2872.360 --> 2874.320]  This is the, this,
+[2874.320 --> 2875.440]  but the time this thing was over,
+[2875.440 --> 2876.600]  it'd been chopped up so much.
+[2876.600 --> 2878.280]  I was, I was nervous, wrecked,
+[2878.280 --> 2880.680]  because I couldn't follow what he's saying makes sense,
+[2880.680 --> 2882.680]  but it doesn't make complete sense,
+[2882.680 --> 2884.880]  which makes him look even worse.
+[2884.880 --> 2887.240]  So this, this really bothers me.
+[2887.240 --> 2889.160]  This, and so, so Mark, I'm with you.
+[2889.160 --> 2890.640]  That first part doesn't even count.
+[2890.640 --> 2892.480]  You can't tell what's really going on.
+[2892.480 --> 2893.800]  As you know, when you're looking at a bilingual language,
+[2893.800 --> 2894.840]  why you always talk about how you look at,
+[2894.840 --> 2896.640]  have to look at the complete picture.
+[2896.640 --> 2898.680]  You have to take everything going on.
+[2898.840 --> 2900.440]  You have to put that into context
+[2900.440 --> 2902.040]  with what the person is saying.
+[2902.040 --> 2903.280]  And we can't tell what's going on,
+[2903.280 --> 2904.400]  because it's so chopped up.
+[2904.400 --> 2907.280]  There's time missing and all those things.
+[2907.280 --> 2909.520]  So most of this was rehearsed,
+[2909.520 --> 2911.840]  and he was ready for that, for that long answer.
+[2911.840 --> 2915.320]  He was given when she asked him why he was qualified.
+[2915.320 --> 2917.120]  He just lies that it goes down.
+[2917.120 --> 2918.280]  He comes forward a little bit,
+[2918.280 --> 2921.920]  and he starts talking, those eyes just hypnotize him almost.
+[2921.920 --> 2923.400]  So he's, he's ready for that.
+[2923.400 --> 2927.040]  And he grabs his wrist, almost grabs it as an adapter.
+[2927.040 --> 2928.200]  It goes over there fairly quickly.
+[2928.280 --> 2930.480]  And we're gonna say grabs, but he just holds on to his wrist.
+[2930.480 --> 2931.640]  That's an adapter.
+[2931.640 --> 2935.880]  And yeah, the editing on this is just so bad.
+[2935.880 --> 2937.800]  It's hard to keep up with.
+[2937.800 --> 2939.160]  It really is.
+[2939.160 --> 2940.280]  But you're right, Mark.
+[2940.280 --> 2941.640]  I cut that thing with the eyes as well.
+[2941.640 --> 2943.880]  When he talks about being qualified,
+[2943.880 --> 2945.040]  go back and take a look at that,
+[2945.040 --> 2946.280]  or when it comes to this time,
+[2946.280 --> 2948.760]  because his eyes, they don't even close all the way.
+[2948.760 --> 2950.000]  One goes down almost all the way,
+[2950.000 --> 2951.080]  and the other one comes right behind it,
+[2951.080 --> 2952.600]  but they don't close all the way.
+[2952.600 --> 2953.520]  It's really weird.
+[2953.520 --> 2955.840]  He's thinking hard about that,
+[2955.840 --> 2957.200]  and his brain is saying, no man,
+[2957.560 --> 2960.000]  we gotta be really careful right in here.
+[2960.000 --> 2962.680]  So I don't think he believes he was qualified for that.
+[2962.680 --> 2966.280]  That's what I think it shows the lack of competence
+[2967.280 --> 2969.720]  to the maximum right there, to the max.
+[2969.720 --> 2971.440]  All right, Chase, what do you got?
+[2971.440 --> 2973.280]  I didn't see all the editing.
+[2973.280 --> 2974.640]  That's awesome.
+[2974.640 --> 2975.480]  I saw some.
+[2975.480 --> 2976.320]  Okay.
+[2976.320 --> 2977.480]  I thought you got to eat me alive on that.
+[2977.480 --> 2978.320]  Not everything.
+[2978.320 --> 2979.160]  No way.
+[2980.120 --> 2981.920]  So I think in the beginning,
+[2981.920 --> 2983.240]  the very beginning of this,
+[2983.240 --> 2986.040]  we're seeing some truthful baseline
+[2986.040 --> 2987.280]  at the very beginning.
+[2987.280 --> 2989.200]  He's moving around, he's illustrating,
+[2989.200 --> 2991.560]  he looks like a comfortable human.
+[2991.560 --> 2993.320]  If you were to ask a third grader,
+[2993.320 --> 2995.800]  what is a, which person is comfortable?
+[2995.800 --> 2997.520]  The person moving around,
+[2997.520 --> 2999.080]  I mean, they're all gonna say that.
+[2999.080 --> 3000.680]  We know this to humans,
+[3002.040 --> 3004.920]  and he moves his eyes when speaking.
+[3004.920 --> 3008.120]  He doesn't lock eyes while he's speaking
+[3008.120 --> 3009.400]  when he's being truthful.
+[3010.600 --> 3012.600]  And you can see him illustrating in all this,
+[3012.600 --> 3015.720]  and when he says, I know that I was completely qualified,
+[3015.720 --> 3018.360]  he doesn't say that I was qualified.
+[3018.360 --> 3021.480]  He says, I know that I was completely qualified.
+[3021.480 --> 3025.800]  And when he says the words qualified around that whole subject,
+[3025.800 --> 3029.680]  it's almost to me like he's resisting an eye block
+[3029.680 --> 3031.440]  with an eye flutter.
+[3031.440 --> 3033.400]  He's trying to prevent that from happening.
+[3033.400 --> 3034.240]  It was funny.
+[3034.240 --> 3037.760]  His dad does the same thing when he's being deceptive.
+[3037.760 --> 3040.160]  And you remember what I said about politicians?
+[3040.160 --> 3042.640]  That Trump does a head tilt,
+[3042.680 --> 3044.760]  distance, language,
+[3044.760 --> 3047.360]  and then steps back from the podium when he's lying.
+[3048.440 --> 3051.200]  This is just a thing that politicians do.
+[3051.200 --> 3053.200]  So there's no one's side in this here,
+[3053.200 --> 3056.640]  but he does take a lot of behaviors from his dad.
+[3058.000 --> 3060.680]  Jason, I'm teaching, I call people professional layers.
+[3060.680 --> 3064.040]  I say interrogators, lawyers, politicians.
+[3064.040 --> 3064.880]  That's us.
+[3064.880 --> 3065.640]  And Marc,
+[3065.640 --> 3069.840]  and you just has a lot of behaviors of Don Sr.
+[3069.840 --> 3071.720]  Who's the guy in the Godfather Mark,
+[3071.720 --> 3075.480]  the man guy who's the Godfather in the movie?
+[3075.480 --> 3076.720]  Brando.
+[3076.720 --> 3078.040]  Brando, Brando.
+[3078.040 --> 3079.400]  That's what Chase looks like.
+[3079.400 --> 3081.040]  Brando, all the backwrestling.
+[3081.040 --> 3082.120]  Looks like a Godfather.
+[3082.120 --> 3085.640]  Just say it's just telling what he thinks about whatever it is.
+[3085.640 --> 3087.560]  When he said, I hope you know what you're doing.
+[3087.560 --> 3089.480]  What did he think you were doing?
+[3089.480 --> 3091.720]  Well, he wrote the press reports that I joined the board of
+[3091.720 --> 3094.240]  Rizma, which was a Ukrainian natural gas company.
+[3094.240 --> 3098.680]  There's been a lot of misinformation about me,
+[3098.680 --> 3099.600]  not about my dad.
+[3099.600 --> 3100.640]  Nobody buys that.
+[3100.640 --> 3103.640]  But it buys this idea that I was unqualified to be on the board.
+[3103.640 --> 3106.200]  What were your qualifications to be on the board of Rizma?
+[3106.200 --> 3109.280]  Well, I was vice chairman of the board of Amtrak for five years.
+[3109.280 --> 3112.480]  I was the chairman of the board of the UN World Food Program.
+[3112.480 --> 3114.760]  I was a lawyer for Boy's Schiller Flexner,
+[3114.760 --> 3117.560]  one of the most prestigious law firms in the world.
+[3117.560 --> 3121.240]  Bottom line is that I know that I was completely qualified
+[3121.240 --> 3123.720]  to be on the board to head up the corporate governance
+[3123.720 --> 3127.000]  and transparency committee on the board.
+[3127.000 --> 3128.760]  And that's all that I focused on.
+[3128.760 --> 3132.640]  Basically turning an Eastern European independent natural gas company
+[3132.640 --> 3136.840]  into western standards of corporate governance.
+[3136.840 --> 3141.080]  Halle, your brother's widow threw the gun away.
+[3141.080 --> 3142.920]  She was trying to protect you.
+[3142.920 --> 3144.400]  Oh, I think she, yes.
+[3144.400 --> 3146.280]  Yeah, I think she was just concerned about me.
+[3146.280 --> 3148.320]  Why did you have a gun?
+[3148.320 --> 3153.640]  Well, I did, again, you know, period of my life that was difficult.
+[3153.640 --> 3159.120]  It was, but, you know, I don't know.
+[3159.120 --> 3164.840]  Halle's intent was to make certain that I didn't do anything to hurt myself.
+[3164.840 --> 3170.120]  According to the reporting at one point, the secret service went looking for the record of sale.
+[3170.120 --> 3171.160]  Do you know anything about that?
+[3171.160 --> 3171.760]  Nothing.
+[3171.760 --> 3172.960]  No.
+[3172.960 --> 3174.240]  No.
+[3174.240 --> 3175.080]  No idea.
+[3175.080 --> 3176.600]  Did somebody report the loss of the gun?
+[3176.600 --> 3177.600]  Oh, yeah.
+[3177.600 --> 3183.000]  They had, in the moment, you know, we knew that the gun was lost.
+[3183.000 --> 3185.840]  That Halle had thrown it into a trash can.
+[3185.840 --> 3190.240]  And I told her that you can't do that when I realized that it was gone.
+[3190.240 --> 3196.520]  And so she went back and they, the police came to help retrieve the gun, which was retrieved.
+[3196.520 --> 3201.320]  Someone had gone through the trash and picked it up and they found it within hours, I believe.
+[3201.320 --> 3203.480]  And so that was the end of the story.
+[3203.480 --> 3205.280]  Would you know about the secret service being involved?
+[3205.280 --> 3206.280]  No, I had no idea.
+[3206.280 --> 3210.160]  I don't know whether the secret service were or why they would be or I don't think that
+[3210.160 --> 3211.160]  that's true.
+[3211.160 --> 3212.160]  Yeah.
+[3213.160 --> 3215.840]  It was very concerned that you had a gun.
+[3215.840 --> 3216.840]  Wow.
+[3216.840 --> 3217.840]  All right.
+[3217.840 --> 3220.240]  I'm going to go first on this one.
+[3220.240 --> 3221.840]  This is this is victim talk.
+[3221.840 --> 3224.320]  This is I'm a victim right from beginning to end.
+[3224.320 --> 3226.560]  And he says, why do you have a gun?
+[3226.560 --> 3228.320]  He goes in this chaffery direct it.
+[3228.320 --> 3232.680]  Boy, that's just that's we should put that in the book or something because that is just
+[3232.680 --> 3234.720]  it's wonderful what he's doing right in there.
+[3234.720 --> 3236.360]  That's really great.
+[3236.360 --> 3241.680]  And he goes right to that get out of jail crack card every time because as he's, when
+[3241.680 --> 3245.480]  he asked him about the gun, you know, as well as the part of my life where it was it.
+[3245.480 --> 3247.360]  Because he's getting ready to say, I don't know what was going on.
+[3247.360 --> 3251.360]  He's trying to work up a way to use that to get to add it to that.
+[3251.360 --> 3252.360]  Well, I don't know what happened.
+[3252.360 --> 3253.360]  I don't know what was going on.
+[3253.360 --> 3255.600]  You know, shoot, I was on crack.
+[3255.600 --> 3259.080]  Again, we see that at the same thread of that hand squeezing going through there as an
+[3259.080 --> 3260.080]  adapter.
+[3260.080 --> 3261.840]  He looks uncomfortable.
+[3261.840 --> 3264.720]  And at the end there, I'm not going to say anything because I know Greg's going to eat
+[3264.720 --> 3269.160]  alive that where he's bobbing and weaving there at the end when it gives the giggles so
+[3269.160 --> 3270.160]  bad.
+[3270.160 --> 3271.160]  So Greg, why don't you go next.
+[3271.560 --> 3272.160]  Yeah.
+[3272.160 --> 3275.400]  So he starts off with this whole adapter barrier or the same thing we've been seeing.
+[3275.400 --> 3278.120]  And then he goes into again, he has school.
+[3278.120 --> 3279.440]  Hey, his beforehand comes up.
+[3279.440 --> 3283.240]  He starts trying to play Kate this guy, chaff him redirected every turn.
+[3283.240 --> 3286.040]  My favorite chaff him redirect is he starts to puke up.
+[3286.040 --> 3287.200]  Hey, why'd you have a gun?
+[3287.200 --> 3293.080]  Well, I was in and suddenly thinks involved with drugs and carrying firearms looks a lot worse
+[3293.080 --> 3296.360]  than involved with drugs or carrying firearms.
+[3296.360 --> 3298.600]  So he read, he edits in the middle of it.
+[3298.600 --> 3302.160]  And his blink rate just goes, he flashes so much.
+[3302.160 --> 3303.480]  I think he's doing all fly away.
+[3303.480 --> 3306.840]  You know, he could have Allison sing the song in the background.
+[3306.840 --> 3311.800]  And then he starts to bounce and he gets that little his foot bounce and as his pulse
+[3311.800 --> 3317.040]  increases, he loses himself and he starts to stammer and just trail off.
+[3317.040 --> 3322.000]  And chase you talk about him sounding like his dad when his dad loses place in the conversation
+[3322.000 --> 3324.000]  in a speech, he does the same exact thing.
+[3324.000 --> 3325.960]  He trails off and drags out.
+[3325.960 --> 3327.880]  And then he's doing all that popping and weaving.
+[3327.880 --> 3332.760]  It's just avoiding the incoming body blows that he's expecting because he knows he's lost.
+[3332.760 --> 3334.480]  He knows he's in the middle of everything.
+[3334.480 --> 3339.480]  He knows is that he has no I he knows, not knows is he knows he has no idea where he's
+[3339.480 --> 3341.800]  at and the story and he's lost himself.
+[3341.800 --> 3344.560]  Not probably sure that he hasn't done so a little bit of incrimination right in there
+[3344.560 --> 3348.720]  when he says, Hey, in the middle of me being a drug addicted drug dealer, I also had a
+[3348.720 --> 3349.720]  gun.
+[3349.720 --> 3351.280]  Yeah, I think he's probably thought for a second.
+[3351.280 --> 3352.280]  Uh oh.
+[3352.280 --> 3353.680]  And so he gets kind of off track there.
+[3353.680 --> 3354.920]  Chase, what do you got?
+[3355.520 --> 3356.600]  Yep, I agree with you guys.
+[3356.800 --> 3362.000]  I want you to notice the head nod in the beginning when he's asking him to say yes to this question.
+[3362.000 --> 3365.800]  There's a head nod that open hand gesture from the reporter.
+[3365.800 --> 3370.960]  And in fact, every single question in this clip when he's supposed to say no, the reporter
+[3370.960 --> 3373.440]  tells him you're supposed to say no to this.
+[3373.440 --> 3376.640]  And when he's supposed to say yes or he's supposed to know something, the reporter
+[3376.640 --> 3382.640]  asks him the question in truthful fashion feeds it to him with a leading question.
+[3382.720 --> 3385.200]  You didn't know about the secret service, right?
+[3386.120 --> 3388.920]  And he's turned this is, uh, this is bad.
+[3388.920 --> 3394.080]  I'm not saying there's some conspiracy here, but this is really bad as far as reporting
+[3394.080 --> 3395.080]  goes.
+[3395.080 --> 3396.000]  We could have done better.
+[3396.000 --> 3397.000]  How about that?
+[3397.840 --> 3400.680]  There's some immediate fidgeting, some digital flexion.
+[3400.680 --> 3402.440]  His whole body becomes rigid.
+[3402.480 --> 3404.600]  And when he's asked, why did you have a gun?
+[3405.080 --> 3408.880]  I'll read you what he says because I spent some time today.
+[3409.880 --> 3410.880]  Time to doubt.
+[3411.320 --> 3418.400]  He says, well, I again, uh, the period in my life that um was difficult.
+[3418.400 --> 3421.600]  It was, uh, but you know, I, I don't know.
+[3423.040 --> 3426.440]  That's code for I was a criminal carrying a gun while I was buying drugs.
+[3426.960 --> 3427.280]  Yeah.
+[3427.840 --> 3431.440]  Then he asked me the secret service reporter shakes his head to let Biden know.
+[3432.640 --> 3436.240]  Uh, second question about the secret service reporter shaking his head to help him answer
+[3436.240 --> 3438.320]  the question and not knowing the case.
+[3438.800 --> 3439.640]  This looks bad.
+[3440.520 --> 3444.760]  Uh, and but you didn't know about the secret service being involved.
+[3444.760 --> 3449.480]  And then with the answer to the secret service, I don't know whether it was the
+[3449.480 --> 3455.400]  secret service or why they would be, or I don't think that's true to my knowledge.
+[3457.000 --> 3457.800]  That's the answer.
+[3458.760 --> 3459.800]  Uh, pretty interesting.
+[3459.800 --> 3460.360]  It's all I got.
+[3460.360 --> 3461.240]  Mark, what do you get?
+[3461.440 --> 3461.840]  Yeah.
+[3462.360 --> 3466.680]  So here's what I want you to look out for because I think he does lose his way slightly
+[3466.680 --> 3469.160]  because he does enter a real emotion.
+[3469.560 --> 3474.600]  Through through this and he enters it on, uh, that was, uh, that, that time of life was,
+[3474.600 --> 3476.280]  was difficult around there.
+[3476.840 --> 3481.320]  What you're going to see if you look around there is his face muscles will relax here.
+[3481.320 --> 3484.040]  He'll lose the musculature there.
+[3484.200 --> 3486.440]  The sides of the mouth will come down slightly.
+[3486.440 --> 3488.040]  His eyes will trance out.
+[3488.040 --> 3492.840]  They go a little bit red very, very quickly and you'll see him fix in what I would call an
+[3492.840 --> 3494.760]  emotional trance state.
+[3494.760 --> 3497.640]  He enters into that emotion for a moment.
+[3498.440 --> 3499.640]  And then he's back out of it.
+[3500.200 --> 3506.280]  But I think there is some true sadness there either around that he's carrying a gun
+[3506.280 --> 3509.800]  because he's involved in drugs and you're going to have to do that.
+[3510.360 --> 3512.760]  Or I think there's an element here that isn't
+[3513.480 --> 3519.000]  mentioned but is kind of hinted at which is somebody doing harm to themselves.
+[3519.000 --> 3526.200]  The word of suicide isn't mentioned in this, but there could be some sadness around that idea.
+[3526.920 --> 3533.880]  Either way, I think there is some true sadness here, but it is surrounded with a word
+[3533.880 --> 3543.320]  salad of trying to obstricate and move around this very embarrassing situation, which I think is what
+[3543.320 --> 3546.200]  is, is, is, is why the word salad is there.
+[3546.200 --> 3554.520]  It's just totally embarrassing, uh, what's gone on here and just bad, bad optics for his dad at,
+[3555.080 --> 3555.960]  at the time.
+[3555.960 --> 3557.400]  That's what I got for you.
+[3558.440 --> 3562.200]  Thanks a lot to spelling bee because of the word obfuscate.
+[3562.200 --> 3566.040]  Obfuscate you to, I can say it.
+[3566.040 --> 3567.480]  I don't necessarily know.
+[3567.480 --> 3570.200]  Spell it, I certainly can't spell it.
+[3570.200 --> 3570.920]  Spell it, Chase.
+[3571.880 --> 3573.160]  I can't, I still can't.
+[3573.160 --> 3574.120]  No, I can't.
+[3574.120 --> 3575.320]  That's why we have editors.
+[3576.920 --> 3577.880]  That's not going to go out.
+[3577.880 --> 3578.360]  Exactly right.
+[3578.360 --> 3582.440]  Ali, your, your brother's widow through the gun away.
+[3582.440 --> 3583.560]  She was trying to protect you.
+[3584.280 --> 3585.720]  Oh, I think she, yes.
+[3585.720 --> 3587.640]  Yeah, I think she was just concerned about me.
+[3587.640 --> 3588.680]  Why did you have a concern?
+[3589.720 --> 3595.000]  Well, I did, again, you know, period of my life that was difficult.
+[3595.000 --> 3599.400]  It was, um, but, you know, I, I don't know.
+[3600.600 --> 3606.200]  Ali's intent was to, to make certain that I didn't do anything to hurt myself.
+[3606.200 --> 3610.920]  According to the reporting at one point, the secret service went looking for the record of
+[3610.920 --> 3611.400]  sale.
+[3611.400 --> 3612.520]  Do you know anything about that?
+[3612.520 --> 3613.160]  Nothing.
+[3613.160 --> 3614.520]  No, no.
+[3615.640 --> 3616.440]  No idea.
+[3616.440 --> 3617.960]  Did somebody report the loss of the gun?
+[3617.960 --> 3622.040]  Oh, yeah, they, they, they had, um, at, in the moment, you know, we,
+[3622.760 --> 3625.320]  knew that the gun was lost, that, uh,
+[3625.320 --> 3628.760]  Ali had thrown it into a trash can and I told her that you can't do that.
+[3628.760 --> 3634.120]  Um, when I realized that it was gone and so she went back and, and they,
+[3634.120 --> 3637.720]  the police came to help retrieve the gun, which was retrieved.
+[3637.720 --> 3640.680]  Someone had gone through the trash and picked it up and they found it
+[3640.680 --> 3641.800]  within hours, I believe.
+[3642.360 --> 3644.680]  And so that was the end of the story.
+[3644.680 --> 3646.520]  Would you know about the secret service being involved?
+[3646.520 --> 3647.720]  No, I had no idea.
+[3647.720 --> 3652.120]  I don't know whether the secret service were or why they would be or I don't think that that's true.
+[3652.120 --> 3652.680]  Yeah.
+[3652.680 --> 3653.320]  To my knowledge.
+[3655.800 --> 3659.160]  Did you and your father ever discuss Ukraine?
+[3659.160 --> 3659.320]  No.
+[3659.960 --> 3664.920]  As I said, the only time was after a news account, it wasn't a discussion in any way.
+[3664.920 --> 3665.960]  There's no butt to this.
+[3665.960 --> 3667.080]  No, we never did.
+[3667.080 --> 3668.920]  All right, Mark, you want to go first?
+[3668.920 --> 3671.320]  Yeah, so net net of that you did.
+[3671.320 --> 3674.440]  I mean, that's net net.
+[3674.440 --> 3675.720]  You had a chat about it now.
+[3676.520 --> 3679.160]  Only so yes, you did.
+[3679.720 --> 3686.520]  So long as you frame the interaction as as not being a discussion,
+[3686.520 --> 3688.280]  the question was, did you have a discussion?
+[3688.280 --> 3688.920]  Well, yeah, I did.
+[3688.920 --> 3689.480]  Well, no, I did.
+[3689.480 --> 3691.880]  Well, if you, there's no butt.
+[3693.080 --> 3698.440]  So what he's doing is going a interaction happened.
+[3698.440 --> 3705.160]  I would suggest an interaction happened where the Ukraine came up was part of that interaction.
+[3705.880 --> 3709.240]  But he's reframing it as not a discussion.
+[3709.240 --> 3711.400]  So maybe he was told about it.
+[3711.400 --> 3713.640]  Maybe it was mentioned and he was there.
+[3713.640 --> 3716.520]  Maybe he mentioned it and somebody else was there.
+[3716.520 --> 3721.800]  But what he's saying is because we can't frame this as a discussion, it didn't happen.
+[3722.520 --> 3728.760]  Net net it, it did out of that particular salad that we got there.
+[3728.760 --> 3732.520]  But listen, tell me if I'm if I'm wrong.
+[3732.520 --> 3733.640]  Greg, what do you think?
+[3733.640 --> 3734.440]  What do you got on this?
+[3734.440 --> 3736.440]  Yeah, so here's my initial response.
+[3738.120 --> 3738.920]  What the hell?
+[3739.800 --> 3744.760]  If a child told me that when I asked, did you take cookies from the cookie jar,
+[3744.760 --> 3747.240]  I would just paddle their little rear end when I was young.
+[3747.240 --> 3749.480]  You know, I mean, when I was a kid, you get paddle for that.
+[3749.480 --> 3750.520]  You know, it got in paddle.
+[3750.520 --> 3751.560]  That's the way life works.
+[3751.560 --> 3753.000]  Because they would know you're lying.
+[3753.000 --> 3756.040]  Come on, this is a very simple direct question.
+[3756.040 --> 3759.320]  Direct questions that are answered honestly have direct answers.
+[3759.320 --> 3759.960]  Did you?
+[3759.960 --> 3760.920]  No, we didn't.
+[3760.920 --> 3764.840]  And a leading question on top of that, this is the equivalent of the kids saying,
+[3764.840 --> 3766.840]  well, I went to get cookies.
+[3766.840 --> 3768.600]  Well, no, there weren't cookies.
+[3768.600 --> 3769.960]  It was candy bar.
+[3769.960 --> 3771.000]  Well, no candy bars.
+[3771.000 --> 3772.680]  Well, there's nothing, nothing.
+[3772.680 --> 3773.400]  Just nothing.
+[3774.360 --> 3778.920]  This is insane that anybody would sit with a straight face and believe this guy's telling a truth.
+[3779.160 --> 3781.160]  That's all I got.
+[3781.160 --> 3782.600]  I'm incredulous.
+[3782.600 --> 3783.560]  Do you use a word?
+[3783.560 --> 3784.280]  I don't use.
+[3784.280 --> 3787.480]  Chase, what you got?
+[3789.480 --> 3793.880]  This is by far the best interviewer out of out of the group.
+[3793.880 --> 3795.240]  This is the Sherman here.
+[3795.240 --> 3796.120]  Don't know who she is.
+[3797.240 --> 3800.600]  Maybe I should, but I don't I don't even own a TV.
+[3800.600 --> 3803.480]  So I mean, what behind you?
+[3803.480 --> 3805.720]  So in the you frame.
+[3809.160 --> 3813.240]  It's not really a TV, but just to counteract all the people we're going to, you know,
+[3813.240 --> 3814.520]  panoramic, I'm going to ride it.
+[3814.520 --> 3815.080]  Oh, yeah.
+[3815.080 --> 3816.120]  No, he's got a TV.
+[3816.120 --> 3817.480]  But I mean, I may not own it Greg.
+[3818.120 --> 3819.080]  I mean, there you go.
+[3819.080 --> 3820.280]  That is just no but.
+[3820.280 --> 3821.080]  No but.
+[3821.080 --> 3822.040]  Yeah, no but.
+[3822.920 --> 3824.360]  There is a but on the TV.
+[3824.360 --> 3826.200]  Have you ever talked about the Ukraine?
+[3826.200 --> 3829.160]  She's asking him whether they discuss an entire country.
+[3830.360 --> 3830.840]  General.
+[3832.120 --> 3834.920]  So the answer no would obviously be a lie.
+[3836.120 --> 3837.160]  Discuss a country.
+[3837.960 --> 3840.760]  And Blink rate goes up to 60 Blinks per minute.
+[3841.400 --> 3847.480]  And the only time was after a news account and then he self edits, it wasn't a discussion
+[3847.480 --> 3848.120]  in any way.
+[3849.080 --> 3851.480]  And I want you to Greg talks about the eyes a lot.
+[3851.480 --> 3852.760]  I talk about the eyes a lot.
+[3853.960 --> 3859.160]  I want you to watch the natural movement to his normal recall position, which is nine o'clock.
+[3859.160 --> 3861.480]  You can watch any of his baseline videos.
+[3861.480 --> 3864.040]  Nine o'clock recall hour nine o'clock.
+[3864.040 --> 3866.040]  As you're looking at him, your clock.
+[3866.760 --> 3867.640]  So his right.
+[3868.760 --> 3875.160]  And then they immediately and rapidly move across to about four thirty five o'clock
+[3875.160 --> 3876.680]  as we're looking at him.
+[3877.160 --> 3880.280]  And that is an immediate retreat.
+[3880.280 --> 3883.720]  And I need to change the subject and figure something out immediately.
+[3883.720 --> 3887.720]  When the eyes move from one hemisphere to the other, some things going on,
+[3887.720 --> 3890.120]  that's almost ninety nine percent of the time.
+[3890.120 --> 3894.920]  That would be a big red flag for me in any interview, especially if I'm interviewing an employee.
+[3896.840 --> 3897.640]  Scott, what do you got?
+[3898.200 --> 3899.000]  All right.
+[3899.000 --> 3903.000]  This was three answers, three different answers in seven seconds.
+[3903.560 --> 3904.120]  Unbelievable.
+[3904.120 --> 3905.320]  There's a guy named Julian Moore.
+[3905.320 --> 3907.240]  He was a police sergeant here in Nashville.
+[3907.240 --> 3908.120]  He's retired now.
+[3908.680 --> 3911.240]  And he could do the funniest
+[3912.040 --> 3914.040]  imitation of somebody lying to him.
+[3914.040 --> 3915.880]  Oh, it would put me in the floor.
+[3915.880 --> 3918.360]  But everybody was around him in the floor laughing so hard.
+[3918.360 --> 3921.800]  When he started doing it, it looked just like that when he would do it.
+[3921.800 --> 3925.960]  And it was so funny that it was that's why we're all laughing so hard as we're watching.
+[3926.440 --> 3929.080]  Because it just looks, it's ridiculous.
+[3929.080 --> 3929.880]  It's ridiculous.
+[3930.440 --> 3932.280]  And this guy reminds me of Julie, what he does.
+[3932.280 --> 3936.280]  Every time I saw that, it's the first thing I could think of.
+[3936.280 --> 3939.080]  But we're seeing a pro at work here.
+[3939.080 --> 3941.160]  The guy is, he knows how to do that.
+[3941.160 --> 3944.280]  He knows how to, how to, once he starts getting into something,
+[3944.280 --> 3946.680]  and he's just sticky and he's stepped in it.
+[3946.680 --> 3949.880]  He knows how to get out and jump around and try to get out of it,
+[3949.880 --> 3951.560]  like a frog and some tar or something.
+[3952.120 --> 3953.960]  So he's a pro.
+[3953.960 --> 3955.240]  I don't know what else to say about that.
+[3955.560 --> 3956.920]  But it's hilarious.
+[3956.920 --> 3957.720]  That's so bad.
+[3957.720 --> 3958.760]  It's hilarious.
+[3959.720 --> 3964.040]  We do our real love, the best examples of everything we've seen for our anniversary.
+[3964.040 --> 3964.600]  This is one.
+[3965.240 --> 3969.320]  This one has to be it because no kid, no foundation of truth.
+[3969.320 --> 3970.440]  That's the last part.
+[3971.400 --> 3973.000]  We're going to get a lot on this thing.
+[3975.400 --> 3978.680]  Did you and your father ever discuss you, Frank?
+[3978.680 --> 3978.920]  No.
+[3979.560 --> 3984.520]  As I said, the only time was after a news account, there wasn't a discussion in any way.
+[3984.520 --> 3985.560]  There's no but to this.
+[3985.560 --> 3986.360]  No, we never did.
+[3987.080 --> 3991.080]  He came to my apartment one time and this is when he was still in office
+[3991.080 --> 3992.840]  as vice president.
+[3992.840 --> 3995.640]  And so he kind of ditched his secret service,
+[3995.640 --> 3997.560]  figured out a way to get over to the house.
+[3997.560 --> 3998.840]  And I said, what are you doing here?
+[3999.480 --> 4002.600]  He said, honey, what are you doing?
+[4002.600 --> 4003.800]  I said, that I'm fine.
+[4003.800 --> 4004.920]  He said, you're not fine.
+[4005.640 --> 4006.360]  Greg, what do you got?
+[4007.160 --> 4010.680]  Yeah, so this is one of those where I'm going to take part of the story and take,
+[4011.640 --> 4014.520]  take exception to part of the story.
+[4014.520 --> 4018.200]  I do believe his father probably came up and said to him, at some point,
+[4018.200 --> 4020.600]  wherever it was, honey, you're not fine.
+[4020.600 --> 4022.840]  And I don't think anybody, regardless of your politics,
+[4023.400 --> 4025.080]  we don't discuss politics here.
+[4025.080 --> 4028.440]  Regardless of politics, I think most people would say Biden is probably a good,
+[4029.080 --> 4031.000]  honest father and looked out for his kids.
+[4031.000 --> 4034.280]  I mean, if you know his history, he said, you can find another senator,
+[4034.280 --> 4035.880]  my kids can't find another child.
+[4035.880 --> 4037.160]  I mean, another father.
+[4037.160 --> 4039.000]  So I don't think anybody would ever
+[4039.720 --> 4040.680]  discount that.
+[4040.680 --> 4045.880]  However, the whole he ditched the secret service piece,
+[4045.880 --> 4047.320]  that just feels like fantasy to me.
+[4047.320 --> 4049.640]  It doesn't feel like it really is even important to the story.
+[4049.640 --> 4052.840]  So it doesn't impact anything I feel about Joe Biden in the case.
+[4053.080 --> 4055.960]  But it feels awkward in too much detail.
+[4055.960 --> 4058.920]  Anytime there's too much detail, usually it means something.
+[4058.920 --> 4061.560]  So probably what happened was maybe the secret service was there.
+[4061.560 --> 4064.760]  Maybe his father was around whatever who cares about that part.
+[4064.760 --> 4068.680]  I still believe a second part of the story that too much detail is just too much for me.
+[4069.000 --> 4071.400]  So I don't believe that Scott, what are you going to do?
+[4072.040 --> 4075.000]  Yeah, I think the second part happened.
+[4075.000 --> 4078.680]  It might have been a phone call or something or he was already at the house or something.
+[4078.680 --> 4081.880]  There's no way you're going to be able to ditch the secret service.
+[4081.880 --> 4083.480]  That's what they do for a living.
+[4083.480 --> 4086.760]  They make sure nobody's sneaking around coming in or going out.
+[4087.400 --> 4089.960]  That's kind of, to me, that's kind of like a smack in their face.
+[4089.960 --> 4096.040]  I know you guys, I know we train all kinds of lettered agencies.
+[4096.600 --> 4098.680]  And there's no way.
+[4098.680 --> 4100.760]  There's no way, especially women.
+[4100.760 --> 4103.480]  They're going to the women secret service.
+[4103.480 --> 4104.680]  They're going to have it out and everything.
+[4104.680 --> 4105.800]  Somebody's sneaking in.
+[4105.800 --> 4106.760]  That's what they're looking for.
+[4106.760 --> 4107.560]  Somebody's sneaking out.
+[4107.560 --> 4109.480]  That's what you're not going to get past that.
+[4109.480 --> 4110.440]  You're not going to.
+[4110.440 --> 4112.520]  He made that part up somehow.
+[4112.520 --> 4113.960]  He ditched the secret service.
+[4113.960 --> 4116.760]  You don't think they know where the vice president is.
+[4116.760 --> 4121.400]  They know everything about about where the president is and the vice president is
+[4121.400 --> 4123.560]  all the time, all the time.
+[4123.560 --> 4124.600]  That didn't happen.
+[4124.680 --> 4125.960]  The second part, I think it happened.
+[4125.960 --> 4127.000]  I believe that.
+[4127.000 --> 4128.360]  And like Chase was saying,
+[4128.360 --> 4130.280]  oh, we got into this just before we got in.
+[4130.280 --> 4132.440]  He does, you know, sounds like something Joe would say.
+[4132.440 --> 4134.840]  Honey, you know, Conn, because this kid loves it.
+[4135.560 --> 4138.600]  But he didn't ditch the secret service.
+[4138.600 --> 4140.440]  That's, I'm not good with that.
+[4141.000 --> 4141.800]  Chase, what do you got?
+[4143.000 --> 4145.400]  Yeah, I think this is mostly honest, except for that part.
+[4145.960 --> 4150.200]  Or, you know, this was maybe he didn't see the secret service inside the apartment,
+[4150.200 --> 4151.400]  whether them or something like that.
+[4152.040 --> 4157.960]  The vice president, if you didn't know, his address is number one observatory circle
+[4157.960 --> 4159.160]  in Washington, DC.
+[4159.160 --> 4162.760]  He lives at the US Naval Observatory on a base.
+[4163.400 --> 4165.560]  Kind of hard to slip out.
+[4166.600 --> 4167.880]  But I think it's mostly honest.
+[4167.880 --> 4174.360]  We also see his truthful recall movement with his eyes to our nine o'clock when you see it.
+[4174.360 --> 4175.080]  Mark, what do you got?
+[4175.800 --> 4179.640]  Yeah, so I think the spirit of the story here is actually quite a sweet one,
+[4179.720 --> 4184.600]  where he positions his dad in a position which every dad would like to be in,
+[4184.600 --> 4190.520]  seen as a bit of a hero and protective and emotionally there for him.
+[4190.520 --> 4193.960]  So lovely spirit of the story there, I think.
+[4194.680 --> 4196.920]  And his hands become buoyant.
+[4196.920 --> 4198.520]  They break away from the chair.
+[4198.520 --> 4204.680]  They're gravity defying because it is a bit of a superhero moment, a bold story.
+[4205.640 --> 4209.960]  He even uses a very quiet, expletive before talking about
+[4211.160 --> 4213.800]  that he slipped away from the secret service.
+[4213.800 --> 4219.640]  And he hasn't used that in certainly any of the videos that I've seen so far.
+[4220.520 --> 4224.360]  So it really launches into a different place for him.
+[4224.360 --> 4228.920]  I think he places his dad in quite a heroic role here,
+[4228.920 --> 4234.520]  where he can escape the secret service, escape the bonds that he's in.
+[4234.520 --> 4239.720]  And be there one to one with his son when he most needs him.
+[4239.720 --> 4245.240]  And he uses that word honey, which is literally a sweet word.
+[4245.800 --> 4248.440]  So yeah, I like everybody here.
+[4249.560 --> 4256.520]  I've been around protection of top politicians, of world leaders.
+[4257.080 --> 4261.240]  And yeah, you can't get anything past them as you shouldn't.
+[4261.240 --> 4263.080]  So no, didn't slip away.
+[4263.080 --> 4264.520]  But what a great story.
+[4264.520 --> 4271.640]  Beautiful story to have maybe a slight fantasy idea there.
+[4271.640 --> 4273.080]  There, that's what I got for you.
+[4273.080 --> 4277.160]  He came to my apartment one time, and this is when he was still in office,
+[4277.160 --> 4278.920]  as vice president.
+[4278.920 --> 4283.640]  And so he kind of ditched his secret service, figured out a way to get over to the house.
+[4283.640 --> 4285.000]  And I said, what are you doing here?
+[4285.640 --> 4288.680]  He said, honey, what are you doing?
+[4288.680 --> 4289.960]  I said, that I'm fine.
+[4289.960 --> 4291.080]  He said, you're not fine.
+[4293.400 --> 4294.280]  All right, here we go.
+[4294.280 --> 4297.640]  How did you react to learning that president Trump
+[4298.440 --> 4304.120]  called the Ukrainian president in a phone call asking him to investigate you and your father?
+[4304.120 --> 4305.240]  I was like every other American.
+[4305.240 --> 4306.200]  I was shocked.
+[4306.200 --> 4309.640]  Did you call your dad and say, oh my gosh, can you believe this?
+[4310.440 --> 4312.520]  No, yeah, but look, my dad and I talk about that.
+[4312.520 --> 4316.680]  We don't live in this like political bubble.
+[4316.680 --> 4320.120]  I picked up the phone and the first thing he said to me is, you know,
+[4320.760 --> 4322.200]  maize's love in her classes.
+[4324.200 --> 4325.480]  I said, yeah, dad, I know.
+[4326.920 --> 4329.880]  We had that discussion before you talked about the truth.
+[4329.880 --> 4331.480]  For real, and that's not a joke.
+[4331.480 --> 4335.720]  It's not like anybody has to have any discussion beyond that.
+[4335.720 --> 4337.880]  And I'll let Congress handle that.
+[4337.880 --> 4341.560]  And I'll let you guys in the media handle that.
+[4342.280 --> 4345.320]  And I'll let my dad's campaign handle that.
+[4345.320 --> 4349.080]  And the only thing that I'm looking to handle is to make certain that I get up every day
+[4349.160 --> 4350.120]  and do the next right thing.
+[4350.120 --> 4353.320]  Okay. Well, I'm going to go first on this one because I'm going to tell you,
+[4354.040 --> 4355.480]  there's too much editing in this thing.
+[4355.480 --> 4356.600]  It's ridiculous.
+[4356.600 --> 4359.960]  So for me, I can't, I could tell you the things I'm seeing and stuff.
+[4359.960 --> 4363.640]  But it's not in, I don't even go for it here in the answers to the same question
+[4363.640 --> 4364.280]  she's asking.
+[4364.280 --> 4366.360]  It's so horrifically.
+[4366.360 --> 4368.600]  So I don't feel good about going and saying, here's what he thinks.
+[4368.600 --> 4370.200]  And here's what's going to happen next and all that.
+[4370.760 --> 4372.360]  Someone move on from that.
+[4372.360 --> 4373.080]  Mark, what do you got?
+[4373.720 --> 4377.640]  Yeah. So here's what I see within, in your right, this one's all over the place.
+[4377.640 --> 4379.480]  But I do see he hides his hands.
+[4380.440 --> 4382.280]  He then barriers with the water.
+[4383.000 --> 4390.440]  He sinks hides both hands, hides a hand and then holds the other elbow joint.
+[4390.440 --> 4398.040]  So even though it's a mashup, what there is is a mashup of lots of protective elements
+[4398.040 --> 4400.680]  of nonverbal communication there.
+[4401.560 --> 4405.800]  And minimizing, minimizing behavior, which is when you sink down, you make your body smaller,
+[4406.440 --> 4409.640]  protection of joints, which are vulnerable.
+[4411.240 --> 4413.880]  So I could certainly see that for a start.
+[4414.680 --> 4422.440]  What comes across in this one for me is it seems hard for him to be involved with issues
+[4422.440 --> 4426.440]  of potential national importance to the US.
+[4428.200 --> 4434.760]  And for his only important concern, to be can he get up and do the next right thing.
+[4435.480 --> 4441.320]  So he's kind of saying, I can't, I don't want to handle these big important issues about us
+[4441.320 --> 4445.240]  because I want to handle my thing of getting up the next day and doing the right thing,
+[4445.240 --> 4448.440]  which for somebody in recovery is a super important thing.
+[4448.440 --> 4452.520]  Absolutely. Anybody out there, anybody, if you're in recovery right now,
+[4452.520 --> 4457.960]  it's super important that you get up and you do the best that you can on a day-to-day basis.
+[4457.960 --> 4461.240]  But then it's maybe, if that's what you're handling right now,
+[4461.960 --> 4464.840]  maybe the political area is not for you.
+[4465.560 --> 4473.160]  Because in politics, you have to handle stuff, which is of importance to many, many people
+[4473.160 --> 4480.600]  other than yourself. And so it's hard to be a really great politician and be only self-centered.
+[4480.600 --> 4485.240]  I'm not saying you can't be self-centered as a great politician. You absolutely can.
+[4485.240 --> 4491.000]  But you've got to keep your eye on everything else going on and get the best balance possible.
+[4491.000 --> 4499.000]  Around that. The world of politics is not necessarily good for this particular recovering
+[4499.000 --> 4504.120]  addict, I would say. Though there would be others in recovery who are at the stage where they can
+[4504.120 --> 4511.080]  handle big overarching concepts. At the same time as handling, I got to get up and be the best
+[4511.080 --> 4517.160]  person I can be to myself today. So that's what I take from this one. Greg, what have you got on this?
+[4517.800 --> 4521.720]  Yes. So when he says, like all Americans, I was shocked. I expect
+[4522.760 --> 4528.280]  indignant, chin rise on shocked. I don't think he was shocked. I think he kind of expected this.
+[4528.280 --> 4531.640]  He does some chaff and redirect. Where he starts talking about everything but.
+[4532.280 --> 4536.520]  And then he says, for real, and again, they're edited, but you see his body close up,
+[4536.520 --> 4541.880]  his blink rate increase. And then he goes to this holy ground thing again. I'm going to do the
+[4541.880 --> 4546.280]  best I can. And I understand when you're in recovery, that's the most important part of your life.
+[4546.360 --> 4551.560]  But his brow comes up. He does the Eddie Haskell thing all over again. He is not doing it when
+[4551.560 --> 4555.240]  he's talking about the rest of the story. And suddenly his brow comes up at that. Now,
+[4555.240 --> 4559.480]  is he just asking for approval because he's saying, look, I've had a fractured life and I'm trying
+[4559.480 --> 4565.800]  to recover. Maybe, but it is a pattern for him in people where he needs approval needs. He does
+[4565.800 --> 4570.440]  that whole Eddie Haskell thing. And I'll just keep using that word because I'm going to revive
+[4570.520 --> 4577.160]  Ken Osman's role of Eddie Haskell at least for a day. Showing the 50s and 60s, it still has
+[4577.160 --> 4583.480]  some kind of pertinence today. There's a guy named Rizio, a doctor who is involved in a psychologist
+[4583.480 --> 4588.920]  who's involved in organizational dynamics who talks about something called the Haskell effect
+[4588.920 --> 4592.840]  in a business when you have people who are too faced and going behind. And if you don't do a good
+[4592.840 --> 4598.760]  job of controlling that, it'll erode your entire organization. So bring it back now. One last
+[4598.760 --> 4603.800]  time he does this, he goes and asks for that approval. That's all I see. I don't see a whole lot
+[4603.800 --> 4607.320]  of their net. And again, there's so many edits. It makes it tough. Chase, what do you got?
+[4608.600 --> 4615.080]  This was masterful. He opens it up by saying like every other American, I was shocked.
+[4615.800 --> 4620.520]  So he socializes the issue and saying, everybody thinks this. If this wasn't shocking to you,
+[4620.520 --> 4627.880]  then you're obviously not an American. And he's more use of visual language. So what
+[4627.880 --> 4632.760]  the reporter should have done, the moment he says, look, starting to explain this is not start
+[4632.760 --> 4638.120]  discussing phone calls. Let's say, you know, what did it look like to you? What did that conversation
+[4638.120 --> 4647.400]  look like? Or what happened next instead of going on to the auditory part? And why not ask after he
+[4647.400 --> 4653.160]  says, well, yeah, no, we didn't talk about that. But the first thing he said on the phone, maybe
+[4653.160 --> 4657.400]  a follow up question would be, what about the second thing he said on the phone? What happened
+[4657.400 --> 4664.840]  after that? Because that's where the thing is that we need. And this wasn't deception, but
+[4664.840 --> 4671.720]  this was masterful avoidance. And it was definitely dishonest, but not deceptive, per se.
+[4672.680 --> 4677.720]  And when he's recalling a conversation about his daughter, I don't want to mention kids names
+[4677.720 --> 4684.920]  on YouTube, he goes to nine o'clock, his normal recall, where he accesses information. So it's a
+[4684.920 --> 4692.040]  truthful event. And when he's saying, I'm going to do the next right thing. This is great for
+[4692.040 --> 4698.280]  his recovery, but it also makes us assume in the statement presupposes that I've been doing right
+[4698.280 --> 4705.000]  things all along. And anything that I've done is not my fault, including my addiction.
+[4705.560 --> 4711.160]  How did you react to learning that President Trump called the Ukrainian President
+[4711.960 --> 4716.520]  in a phone call asking him to investigate you and your father? I was like every other American.
+[4716.520 --> 4720.920]  I was shocked. Did you call your dad and say, oh my gosh, can you believe this?
+[4721.800 --> 4726.280]  No, yeah, but look, my dad and I talk about that. We don't live in this like
+[4727.240 --> 4731.480]  political bubble. I picked up the phone and the first thing he said to me is, you know,
+[4732.040 --> 4739.400]  maizey's love in her classes. I said, yeah, dad, I know. She said, pen, no. We had that discussion
+[4739.480 --> 4743.880]  before. First before you talked about for real. And that's not a joke. It's not like anybody.
+[4744.840 --> 4750.760]  Has to have any discussion beyond that. And I'll let Congress handle that. And I'll let you guys
+[4750.760 --> 4757.640]  in the media handle that. And I'll let my dad's campaign handle that. And the only thing that
+[4757.640 --> 4761.800]  I'm looking to handle is to make sure that I get up every day and do the next right thing.
+[4761.800 --> 4767.320]  All right. Let's start around room and see what we got. As far as we were talking about him being
+[4767.320 --> 4772.520]  for a percentage, being deceptive or being truthful. Greg, you want to go first?
+[4773.160 --> 4777.880]  Yeah, I'm not going to give you a percentage. I'm going to say he avoids truth at many, many,
+[4777.880 --> 4783.560]  many opportunities. He always goes the high ground. He had he has schools. Back kick back to Ken
+[4783.560 --> 4787.640]  Osmond. He had he has schools every opportunity when he, there's somebody in authority. And then
+[4787.640 --> 4793.160]  when there isn't, all that goes away. So I don't trust that he's being truthful. I'll also,
+[4793.240 --> 4798.360]  guys, I'm going to say this and we're going to put disclaimers in here. But this has nothing to do
+[4798.360 --> 4802.360]  with Joe Biden. This is Hunter Biden. We're talking about Hunter Biden and what he does in this
+[4802.360 --> 4807.880]  interview. So don't take it as politics. Take it as what we're looking at. I don't believe he
+[4807.880 --> 4812.840]  is trustworthy because of the, there's so much deviation between what's normal and what he's doing.
+[4812.840 --> 4817.560]  That's me. Chase. What do you get? Yeah. Again, this isn't politics. This is a human.
+[4818.520 --> 4824.280]  But what we're looking at is a human, not a Republican or a Democrat. We do that with everything.
+[4825.320 --> 4829.800]  And if we are biased, we'll be the first to tell you if we have some kind of better
+[4829.800 --> 4837.000]  vested interest in something. This was mostly dishonest, slightly deceptive, and hardly truthful.
+[4837.880 --> 4844.680]  Mark. Yeah. So I know, you know, some of you watching out there, you'll feel like you've got a
+[4844.680 --> 4851.720]  horse in this race because of the relationship with his father, very important man. Absolutely.
+[4851.720 --> 4858.600]  So, you know, in order to not offend, I will say I feel at some points that he is obfuscating
+[4858.600 --> 4867.640]  somewhat. There you go. I don't care if I've been, but I really don't. But I'll tell you,
+[4867.640 --> 4872.520]  I am politically, you guys know me. I don't get you. Okay. But I think we're seeing more
+[4873.880 --> 4879.080]  being untruthful than we are seeing being truthful in these things. When the questions get hard,
+[4879.080 --> 4884.280]  that's every time, not every time. Most of the time, he's being deceptive. It looks to me like.
+[4884.280 --> 4888.920]  So I would chase, I think if you wait it out, it's going to be deceptive, it's pretty heavy.
+[4889.480 --> 4895.400]  And the goes a bit light on the being truthful. Now, if you like what we're doing, please subscribe.
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+[4909.320 --> 4912.360]  If you're not, you never know about it. You're going to want to subscribe.
+[4913.240 --> 4917.880]  Just to know what we're doing. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks so much. We'll see you
+[4917.880 --> 4922.040]  everybody next time. Thanks, fellas. This was a good. I'll see you next time. See you. Bye now.
+[4925.400 --> 4939.880]  Ah right.
+[4939.960 --> 4941.240]  yeah.
+[4941.240 --> 4949.040]  are
+[4949.040 --> 4950.040]  Fuck you.